From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 1 01:58:18 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:58:18 +0000 Subject: HW: HawkTattoos Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 1 04:04:49 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 02:04:49 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Hawklords Craft Returns In Living Rooms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: before I go hide while I look into finding "the right way" (I hope)- (if i can) hehe This toy looks really cool with "HAWKWIND" displayed on it, and is joyfully the only thing that has ever terrorized my Russian Wolfhound Finally- I can get her off the couch at will..... http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/544027.htm m From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Oct 1 05:03:09 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:03:09 +0100 Subject: NIK/OTHER: Deviants at GTP cancelled Message-ID: http://www.thanatosoft.freeserve.co.uk/news.htm Bad bummer indeed... -- Andy www.andygilham.com From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon Oct 1 08:08:09 2001 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:08:09 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anyone out there into Hawkwind? There is a double page spread on Hawkwind in the Arts Section of Mondays 1st October,Guardian newspaper ( UK ) written by Tim Cumming. Including a nice big colour pic of Dave Brock 'strumming away'!!!! See your local newsagents NOW! mel From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Oct 1 08:15:02 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:15:02 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And online (sans picture) here... http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Melvyn Vincent > Sent: 01 October 2001 13:08 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW > > > Anyone out there into Hawkwind? > There is a double page spread on Hawkwind in the Arts Section of Mondays > 1st October,Guardian newspaper ( UK ) written by Tim Cumming. > Including a nice big colour pic of Dave Brock 'strumming away'!!!! > See your local newsagents NOW! > > mel > > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 1 09:59:00 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (I Can't Shut My Trap) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:59:00 -0600 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: so just what was that detaining issue about anyway I was there It caused a tenseness in the air that could be sliced with a pocket knife. was it ALIEN 4 content? maybe they don't want people facing themselves and their problems that lay back on earth before they dream of contact worthiness issues...? Like being ignored by superior (more highly advanced buggers with cool race craft) intelligence- (could this be) the truth?. Maybe "Reject Your Human Touch" (butterfly nets?) was close to the mark?-:) m or was it just a more mundane private issue- From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 1 09:13:21 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:13:21 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And to think, I just spent an hour and a half of my lunch hour in the pub, reading G2 - and didn't get as far as the Art or Arse section. Still, it's up on the orifice wall now, and I've had a few questioning looks from the identikit blondes who populate the office. I think I'll remove my jumper ("Where's me jumper?") and reveal the glow in the dark t-shirt from the 1997 US tour. That'll fox 'em... :-) Cheers, Rich. > > > And online (sans picture) here... > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Melvyn Vincent > > Sent: 01 October 2001 13:08 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW > > > > > > Anyone out there into Hawkwind? > > There is a double page spread on Hawkwind in the Arts Section of Mondays > > 1st October,Guardian newspaper ( UK ) written by Tim Cumming. > > Including a nice big colour pic of Dave Brock 'strumming away'!!!! > > See your local newsagents NOW! > > > > mel > > > > > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 1 10:48:07 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:48:07 -0500 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Andy Gilham wrote: :Subject: Re: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW : :And online (sans picture) here... : :http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html : :-- Andy : :www.andygilham.com : Thanks Mel for pointing this out, and thanks Andy for the online link (for those of us who can't get the Guardian easily ;-) ) Wow. A decent review for a change. neat. Arin (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Oct 1 10:55:56 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:55:56 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from > voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) I don't think it's actually out for another week. -- Andy www.andygilham.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 1 11:20:20 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:20:20 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from > voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) Well, it lists one track that isn't on the album and has another trackname wrong. There's also a special edition with belly button lint on the top left corner of the cover with a dedication under it saying "This is for Mike Coleman". FoFP From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 1 11:23:53 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:23:53 -0400 Subject: NIK/OTHER: Deviants at GTP cancelled Message-ID: This has removed one of my main reasons for going. Not sure if I'll bother now. If there are no airfares to bring Mick and co over, is it safe to assume that Paul Rudolph, Del Dettmar, Mike Moorcock etc won't be there either? The omens for this event are looking worse and worse. Nick From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 1 11:29:13 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:29:13 -0400 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:20:20 +0100, M Holmes wrote: There's also a special edition with belly button lint >on the top left corner of the cover I believe there are a number of different versions, the fluff having been taken from a different band-member's navel for each one. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 1 12:50:59 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (eyeCyou) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:50:59 -0600 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: <200110011520.QAA09390@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: <> FoFP I'm seriously slacking I think I must be trying to make my conscience feel better, or something..... maybe it's the lack of shelving for all formats after the Dave Brock "Xenon Codex" p*b*c hair edition" (sorry) from RPM records it's been an uphill battle past 1988..... It really kicked in when RPM suggested that forgoing "night of the hawk" CD comp could be a personal tragedy, when my collection would only realize a budget rate in my old age due to incompleteness...... I guess I better get back in the fight, I think Germany is upstream......... but this belly button lint- interesting you'd mention that- I have been plagued with that over several years when undressing , and so often have had to fish out that annoying clog- but I think my tub (o-lard) has just now curled under to such extent that it is no longer something to be aware of if I ever have a customer m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 1 13:03:01 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (eyeCyou) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:03:01 -0600 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: <200110011520.QAA09390@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > FoFP But I do have the artwork on this computer and have had for some time maybe that counts in some god awful stretch of imagination ps- you'll see the connection in a week or so, however coincidental m From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 1 12:32:37 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:32:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Low Message-ID: sorry about this folks, but Coleman - if my e.mail last week didn't get to you (I've had no reply), can you let me know your e.mail address to: andygee at dial.pipex.com Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:41 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Low > it occured to me > > I shouldn't post anymore until I take care of bus. > > > I've felt dumb evertime I send one for quite a while > > have a nice sunday, and if I can shut up I'll be back someday if I can help it > > will still be reading all the posts however. > > if I have anything valid to share, maybe someone will pass it on for me > > mike c > > ps- I think the new Brock solo is out very very soon, as in this week? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 1 12:24:04 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:24:04 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW Message-ID: We are promised Friday at CD Services (for all who've ordered it). Andy G.(the other one) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW > > (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from > > voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) > > I don't think it's actually out for another week. > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 1 13:38:24 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (HeyWaitJistASec) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:38:24 -0600 Subject: OFF: Low In-Reply-To: <006a01c14a97$77c375a0$a19abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: <> Oh thats good! it's Monday now, as compared to Sunday that it still is for me...... you don't even have to ask but I was touched that the mighty hand beckoned..... is the book comming along? m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 1 13:10:56 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:10:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: new Aural Innovations issue Message-ID: Hi Folks... 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All the above can be found by setting your vessel?s controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 1 15:30:24 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:30:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Tide, Tony Hill, Simon House, Pete Pavli, Ade Shaw In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20010702212100.006cfb44@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Stephan Forstner wrote: > I've spent part of the weekend listening to 2 new releases from the High > Tide camp: High Tide - Open Season, on Black Widow Records, via CDServices, > and Tony Hill - Inexactness, direct from Woronzow, and here's a bit of a > description of them. I don't have the High Tide one yet, but had to chime in on the Tony Hill account... > The Tony Hill release (Inexactness) has the following players: > > Tony Hill - gtr, vox > Pete Pavli - bass on 3 tracks > Ade Shaw - bass > Andy Ward - drums > Matt Kelly - violin/viola > Nick Saloman - gtr/organ/synth > > I went into this one hoping for more of the great guitar excursions which > Tony Hill/Andy Ward/Ade Shaw had produced on the 2 tracks 'High' and 'Tide' > for Acid Jam 2. So initialy I was a bit disappointed - here, only the 1st > track and the 14-minute 'Of Foundries, Ships, and Steeples' follows that > general pattern. Most of the rest of the pieces here begin to approach a > standard-song-like structure - much more so than just about anything I have > yet heard from Tony Hill. Still this is Tony Hill we're talking about and > when I say approach, that means it's still pretty far from a pop song. Some > of what makes me call them song-like are more vocals than usual, lyrics that > seem to be a bit more staightforward in some cases, and a tendency of the > musicians to find a groove and stay with it. High Tide often found a groove > as well, but they never stayed with it long, jumping out and going off > exploring, maybe to return to the groove later, or to find another groove > altogether. That said, this one has definitely grown on me quite a bit, and > pretty rapidly too. After discarding my preconceptions and listening to this > for what it is and not what I want it to be, I'll admit that these are > pretty strong songs and well worth getting. There are also plenty of High > Tide moments scattered throughout - just don't expect to hear High Tide from > beginning to end - something Woronzow has apparently anticipated by > releasing this as a Tony Hill rather than a High Tide release, even if Tony > Hill pretty much is High Tide like DB is Hawkwind or Lemmy is Motorhead. I really really like this CD. It stands a very good chance of being the best album I bought this year, if we avoid the nasty idea of having to rate the BOC remasters against them; let's say the best new album this year. For me, anyway. I've been waiting for it since I saw Tony Hill at the Bevis Frond Valedictory All-Dayer when he played `I Don't Want to Talk', which at that stage had no vocal, second guitar or violin part and simply took the audience's heads off at the neck. That song has lost a little punch, but the lyrics make up for it. Tony's lyrics aren't complex, but the phrasing is ever unexpected and often thought-provoking. It's *not* High Tide, I agree, not as dark or heavy or as complex, but Tony's guitar-playing is better than on the early High Tide stuff. At times it's difficult to tell whether it's him or Nick Saloman on lead but on most of the tracks there's a kind of clear point where Tony opens up that last bit of the throttle and leaves Nick behind. The songs are at least good and some great; the only weak point musically to me is the beginning of the peunltimate track, `Of Foundries, Ships and Steeples', which is mostly twin-lead jamming between two bits of quite weak tune. But that's all I'd quarrel with, and the whole song is forgiven by an extroardinary passage towards the end of the jam where Nick and Tony suddenly and unexpectedly come out of their respective solo railway tunnels at the same time and find they're on parallel tracks (if you see what I mean). I find it very difficult to stop playing this album, which can be bad as it's not the most cheerful thing ever. Other comments are that they gave Pete Pavli the three best tracks to play on, which was wasted effort really as he doesn't do very much with them and is certainly no better than Adrian on the other stuff; this Matt Kelly bloke's all right but Simon House would have been better :-) and that Tony is still winning all awards in the self-deprecating depressed Geordie category. Apparently he has a touring band together called Tony Hill's Fiction; I plan to investigate this further... Yours, Jon ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Secret Treaties_ (remaster) -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 1 15:52:36 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:52:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20010702212103.006d2b54@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Stephan Forstner wrote: > > ...if nothing else, > > Mirrors would present an opportunity for everyone to hear The > > Devil's Hangnail, which is the original song that metamorphosed > > into The Vigil and had some nasty Patti Smith lyrics. > > Although I can somewhat understand it, I have to put up a (small) protest to > the slagging Mirrors occasionally takes here. Sure, it's got its share of > dogs (Dr. Music) and somewhat boring stuff (Moon Crazy, Lonely Teardrops), > but The Great Sun Jester is definitely one of my all-time favorite BOC > pieces, The Vigil is likewise great, I am the Storm is pretty good, and I > really like In Thee, which I take at face value as a completely non-ironic > statement and love it for both its sentiment and its presentation. > Admittedly the album is a very mixed bag, but the good tracks here are > really good, in several different ways. Maybe the fact that they seem to be > all over the place turns people off? Or is it that this was too 'pop'-py an > album? Now, I have to differ marginally here. I really do have problems with the way _Mirrors_ sounds, but there are I agree some songs which are worth having it for, indeed `The Vigil' is pretty life-enhancing. However, I really don't get on with `The Great Sun Jester', which strikes me as mawkish, uninspired and over-long (though the Nikwind spoken word version is much *much* worse) but I do like `Dr. Music'. The lyrics, man. the lyrics, it's Meltzer at his S&M finest--well, maybe not finest, but they're pretty good for what the song is. The song is of course a pop number but hey. It's a pop album, in production at least. I also like `I Am The Storm' though I wish it had been on _Spectres_ where the production of that one would have suited it better--I'd swap it for `Fireworks' I think... My problem with it is this mostly the production, but also the other songs on it, which are quite often only rivalled by `Debbie Denise' and `Make Love Not War' for BOC-discount-store schlock. I'd still rather give up at least two other BOC albums before _Mirrors_. > > As for rejected songs being lesser than songs that make an album, that > > is not always the case. There are any number of reasons a song > > might be dropped from an album. Sometimes the song just doesn't > > quite fit in with the rest of the songs...so no matter how good it > > is, it gets cut. This happened fairly frequently with Jethro Tull, > > for instance... > > As was amply demonstrated with the fantastic 20 Year (5 LP/3 CD) boxed set > that collected lots of these 'extra' tracks, and, to a much lesser extent, > disc 2 of Nightcap. Many of those unreleased songs were really good, as good > as the prviously released 'official' material, in some cases even better. I > think though that some cleanup and additions were done for some of those > tracks before they were let out for the boxed set. Incidently, the BBC DJ > who appears doing voiceover on some of the early live tracks collected for > the JT 20 year set (Brian Matthews) can also be heard on the 2 Hawkwind > tracks from the BBC transcription disc (collected on the Dawn of Hawkwind boot). This is it. I don't think you could ever have put `Mommy' on _Secret Treaties_ except as an extra of some sort, it's so completely out of kilter with the general tone of the rest of the album. Porcupine Tree had ten or twelve tracks from the vaults which had just never fitted with the rest of an album's pieces which were going on that Delerium retrospective collection. Since Delerium's website, having been inactive for a year and a half, is now off the ether, I assume the label itself is also finally folded? So I guess it will be a while before we hear that stuff. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 1 16:28:43 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:28:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Updates........ Message-ID: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: STAR WARRIORS + + + All personnel to report to Mission Control for important mission data updates......... http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm MESSAGE ENDS. . . . . . . . . . . ++ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 1 16:33:56 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:33:56 -0400 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:15:02 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html Does anyone find this quote disturbing (not the part about Arthur Brown!): "In best Hawkwind tradition, the Royal Festival Hall gig promises special guests ranging from Arthur Brown to Blur guitarist Graham Coxon ..." ... and this quote amusing (in its grossly-multiple inaccuracies): "They have also set up their own Emergency Broadcast Systems label, which allows them the kind of control they could never achieve on a major label." -Doug (not a Britpop fan, sorry) jasret at mindspring.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 1 16:48:30 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:48:30 EDT Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/2001 3:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > My problem with it is this mostly the production, but also the > other songs on it, which are quite often only rivalled by `Debbie Denise' > and `Make Love Not War' for BOC-discount-store schlock does anyone else out there hear 'youre not the one i was looking for' as a limp re-write of the cars' 'just what i needed'? am i crazy? the titles/lyrics even relate, in a boc-ish-ironic way...and the verse riff is a definite knock-off, as is the music under the chorus! Hmm... let's blame tom werman just thinking out loud bobm From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Oct 1 18:02:58 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:02:58 -0700 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: <200110011520.QAA09390@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: And the group photo on the back is from 1971...... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:20 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW Arin Komins writes: > (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from > voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) Well, it lists one track that isn't on the album and has another trackname wrong. There's also a special edition with belly button lint on the top left corner of the cover with a dedication under it saying "This is for Mike Coleman". FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 1 19:39:12 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:39:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree/Henry Fool Message-ID: Sorry to be off topic, but, far be it from me to recommend a release on Cyclops (for me one of the great disappointing labels of our time) but they have redeemed themselves something else by issuing the album from Henry Fool which I heard today - a total mix of 'Court of Crimson King'-era Crimso and Porcupine Tree - lots of mellotron and sax, harmony vocals, great production - a thoroughly recommended album. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Stephan Forstner wrote: > > > > ...if nothing else, > > > Mirrors would present an opportunity for everyone to hear The > > > Devil's Hangnail, which is the original song that metamorphosed > > > into The Vigil and had some nasty Patti Smith lyrics. > > > > Although I can somewhat understand it, I have to put up a (small) protest to > > the slagging Mirrors occasionally takes here. Sure, it's got its share of > > dogs (Dr. Music) and somewhat boring stuff (Moon Crazy, Lonely Teardrops), > > but The Great Sun Jester is definitely one of my all-time favorite BOC > > pieces, The Vigil is likewise great, I am the Storm is pretty good, and I > > really like In Thee, which I take at face value as a completely non-ironic > > statement and love it for both its sentiment and its presentation. > > Admittedly the album is a very mixed bag, but the good tracks here are > > really good, in several different ways. Maybe the fact that they seem to be > > all over the place turns people off? Or is it that this was too 'pop'-py an > > album? > > Now, I have to differ marginally here. I really do have problems > with the way _Mirrors_ sounds, but there are I agree some songs which are > worth having it for, indeed `The Vigil' is pretty life-enhancing. However, > I really don't get on with `The Great Sun Jester', which strikes me as > mawkish, uninspired and over-long (though the Nikwind spoken word version > is much *much* worse) but I do like `Dr. Music'. The lyrics, man. the > lyrics, it's Meltzer at his S&M finest--well, maybe not finest, but > they're pretty good for what the song is. The song is of course a pop > number but hey. It's a pop album, in production at least. I also like `I > Am The Storm' though I wish it had been on _Spectres_ where the production > of that one would have suited it better--I'd swap it for `Fireworks' I > think... My problem with it is this mostly the production, but also the > other songs on it, which are quite often only rivalled by `Debbie Denise' > and `Make Love Not War' for BOC-discount-store schlock. I'd still rather > give up at least two other BOC albums before _Mirrors_. > > > > As for rejected songs being lesser than songs that make an album, that > > > is not always the case. There are any number of reasons a song > > > might be dropped from an album. Sometimes the song just doesn't > > > quite fit in with the rest of the songs...so no matter how good it > > > is, it gets cut. This happened fairly frequently with Jethro Tull, > > > for instance... > > > > As was amply demonstrated with the fantastic 20 Year (5 LP/3 CD) boxed set > > that collected lots of these 'extra' tracks, and, to a much lesser extent, > > disc 2 of Nightcap. Many of those unreleased songs were really good, as good > > as the prviously released 'official' material, in some cases even better. I > > think though that some cleanup and additions were done for some of those > > tracks before they were let out for the boxed set. Incidently, the BBC DJ > > who appears doing voiceover on some of the early live tracks collected for > > the JT 20 year set (Brian Matthews) can also be heard on the 2 Hawkwind > > tracks from the BBC transcription disc (collected on the Dawn of Hawkwind boot). > > This is it. I don't think you could ever have put `Mommy' on > _Secret Treaties_ except as an extra of some sort, it's so completely out > of kilter with the general tone of the rest of the album. Porcupine Tree > had ten or twelve tracks from the vaults which had just never fitted with > the rest of an album's pieces which were going on that Delerium > retrospective collection. Since Delerium's website, having been inactive > for a year and a half, is now off the ether, I assume the label itself is > also finally folded? So I guess it will be a while before we hear that > stuff. Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 1 21:53:16 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:53:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <9e.1b244e38.28ea309e@aol.com> Message-ID: >In a message dated 10/1/2001 3:57:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > >> My problem with it is this mostly the production, but also the >> other songs on it, which are quite often only rivalled by `Debbie Denise' >> and `Make Love Not War' for BOC-discount-store schlock > >does anyone else out there hear 'youre not the one i was looking for' as a >limp re-write of the cars' 'just what i needed'? am i crazy? the >titles/lyrics even relate, in a boc-ish-ironic way...and the verse riff is a >definite knock-off, as is the music under the chorus! Hmm... >let's blame tom werman Is this in the FAQ John? The story is: that I wrote that one in a twenty minute rant about how I wasn't really wanting Werman as our producer and when he heard it he LOVED it. Of course, I didn't realize until after it was mixed that he'd never heard the Cars tune which was by that time a big hit. If you realize that I was really pissed all through the whole thing I think it makes it marginally better. At least I had my joke on him! Not one of my most creative moments (Good God! I'd written about half of the Brain Surgeons current repertoire by then and it was all rejected!) but it was the only thing that genius liked! Life is funny I guess. You will probably never that song live, as opposed to Debbie Denise (it's really a good song AoF production notwithstanding) which we did last week and will most definitely do again. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 1 22:36:04 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:36:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >only thing that genius liked! Life is funny I guess. You will >probably never that song live, as opposed to Debbie Denise (it's Never "hear" I mean, as in not-a-Brain-Surgeons-sanctioned song. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 2 06:15:30 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:15:30 +0100 Subject: OFF:[Carnegie Hall] Message-ID: A friend of mine wrote this. I'd like to share it because it sums up a lot of what I feel about the current conflict and the less than ironic place music has found in no-man's land. FoFP ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:11:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Ashcroft > Tonight there was a free concert at Carnegie Hall in memory of the > victims of the WTC atrocity. Yo-Yo Ma and James Levine in different > ways captured the mood with pieces by Bach and Mozart, but the > highlight of the evening was the Leontyne Price. The minute she > ventured on stage the hall exploded with a great cry of "DIVA!" and a > standing ovation even before she started singing. It was like a rock > concert---old people raised their fists, and I'm sure that if they'd > had them, they would have lit cigarette lighters in tribute. > Accompanied by James Levine on piano, she first sang an old spiritual > that I did not recognize, but which received rapturous applause. > When she started in, unaccompanied, on "America the Beautiful" you > could have heard a pin drop. What an incredible voice. Two verses > and then she hit the chorus once more, and in the last line took her > voice up a full octave above where she had been singing. > Unbelievable. Carnegie Hall has seen a lot, but that will go down in > the history books. > The only decoration in the hall was a large American flag, hanging > sideways at the back of the stage. I thought about how appropriate > were the evening's selections. > One commentator has described our this struggle as one between the > modern and the medieval. Western culture largely escaped the medieval > during the Enlightenment. The very term reflects our view of what > preceded it, a time of superstition, fear and violence we now refer to > as the Dark Ages. > The U.S. was the first country born out of the Enlightenment. Our > founding fathers were grounded in the Enlightenment, and our > Constitution reflects it---even in the existence of a Constitution. > This did not make the US a perfect state by any stretch of the > imagination, but in the big tests, the country has ultimately hewed to > the spirit of these principles. We are children of the Enlightenment, > whether we know what that means or not. > Our culture reflects that, being tolerant to a fault. Read what you > want to read, think what you want to think, watch what you want to > watch, listen to what you want to listen, live as you want to live, so > long as you leave others alone. We even tolerate within our midst the > few unreconstructed wretches who never left the Dark Ages, the likes > of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who would have us believe that a > malevolent god allowed the WTC atrocity to occur because of our > tolerance. > The humane music of the Enlightenment, such as Bach, who wove music > with mathematics, and Mozart, whose harmonies have never been > surpassed, are an appropriate way to remember the WTC atrocity. But > in fact, so is any music at all. We are dealing with an enemy that > has never been enlightened, and bans all our music. We are dealing > with people who have never left the dark ages, and for whom all the > Enlightenment principles that we live by are anathema. We are dealing > with people who are in thrall to their Jerry Falwells and Pat > Robertsons. > It's worth pondering why our culture is so threatening to these > people. Western culture is not imposed on anyone. The US does not > have an empire. Our culture is marketed around the world, and the > marketing is sophisticated. But a McDonald's salesman is quite a > different proposition than a Roman legion or colonial soldiers. > Except under great worldwide pressure to do so (thinking here of > Bosnia and Kosovo, where the US finally intervened to protect, of all > people, Muslims), the US does not invade and hold territory. > US culture is sold around the world, but the world "sold" is key: it > is considered something desirable to own through free exchange. > People willingly pay money to experience it. And if you choose not to > do so, that's fine too---we don't insist that you do so. Our > Hollywood salesmen just want to make a buck. In fact, they go to > great lengths to make sure that you don't get what their selling if > you don't pay (it's called copyright). We don't kill, rape, torture > or otherwise impose our culture on the unwilling. We don't want to. > Which is almost unprecedented, when you take a look at the history of > superpowers down the ages. > Our culture is nevertheless considered dangerous. And why not? > Reflected in it is the fundamental vision that people are free to live > as they please. That's a seductive thought, and highly threatening to > those with a vested interest in maintaining their people in the Dark > Ages. > It's ironic. Rock has always been hyped as the music of rebellion. > Generally, it's as processed and as corporate as any other product. > Who would think that the hype would become the reality? We really are > facing an enemy who, given half a chance, really would take away your > rock and roll. And your Mozart, and your Bach, and James Levine and > Yo-Yo Ma, and most of all, your divas like Leontyne Price. Well, to > hell with the enemy. > RNA ---- End of forwarded text ---- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 2 07:41:09 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:41:09 EDT Subject: Northern Lights 6 oct In-Reply-To: <9e.1b244e38.28ea309e@aol.com> Message-ID: Anyone else going to Saturday's B?C gig? Brian, are you making the trip? tj From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 2 08:44:14 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:44:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: > > Although I can somewhat understand it, I have to put up a (small) protest to > > the slagging Mirrors occasionally takes here. LOL - just don't slag the almighty Club Ninja! ;-) Now, if this had been any other BOC forum, I would immediately expect a number of people to rush to that album's defense. Maybe it'll happen here, but I'll just say that my intent of mentioning CN is not to announce my own displeasure for the album, and yes it does have some good songs (but ask any 6 BOC fans what their favorite CN track is and you'll get 6 different answers) - my point is that it is regarded by BOC fans *in general* as the band's weakest output. > > does anyone else out there hear 'youre not the one i was looking for' as a > limp re-write of the cars' 'just what i needed'? am i crazy? the > titles/lyrics even relate, in a boc-ish-ironic way...and the verse riff is a > definite knock-off, as is the music under the chorus! Hmm... Well, Morning Final (the BOC fanzine, not the song) indicated (which I repeated in the FAQ) that the song was "inspired" by the Cars' song, "My Best Friend's Girl". > > Is this in the FAQ John? The story is: that I wrote that one in a > twenty minute rant about how I wasn't really wanting Werman as our > producer and when he heard it he LOVED it. Of course, I didn't > realize until after it was mixed that he'd never heard the Cars tune > which was by that time a big hit. Not in so many words - I mentioned the Morning Final quote - did they get the Cars song wrong? The only other thing I have in the FAQ currently is the following: "Albert Bouchard claimed that his song, "You're Not The One (I Was Looking For)" is in reference to using Tom Werman to produce the album". Perhaps I should update with a bit more detail - of course every time I provide a bit more detail, the FAQ grows by 10-20 pages... ;-) > (Good God! I'd written about half of the Brain Surgeons > current repertoire by then and it was all rejected!) but it was the > only thing that genius liked! Life is funny I guess. Now THAT is funny. Of course, I can't imagine Eric and Buck singing half the stuff you and Deb sing in tBS. That isn't meant to slag those guys, but some stuff just isn't meant for some to sing - a song that many of us have been thinking about lately in the wake of Sept. 11, "Divine Wind" (if he really thinks we're the Devil - then let's send him to hell), is a perfect example. Buck's laidback treatment of the vocals on the song's demo is a stark contrast to Eric's delivery. > as opposed to Debbie Denise (it's > really a good song AoF production notwithstanding) which we did last > week and will most definitely do again. Hmm...maybe if you took out the "la la la la la la" part... ;-) John From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 2 08:27:49 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:27:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Probably Already Been Mentioned, but . . . In-Reply-To: <83.c9a6927.2874f401@aol.com>; from Stewartbas@AOL.COM on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:34:41PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 06:34:41PM -0400, Bill Stewart wrote: > I saw Monster Magnet last month in NYC at a small club (industry show). > Great show! This tour should not to be missed. At the show i saw, Wyndorff, > seeing Hawkwind shirts in the crowd, did a real rousing version of > Brainstorm halfway through the set. The last time they were in London they dropped into a single-note riff during the bridge of `Dinosaur Vacume' and started chanting "This is it, this is it, is it, is it, she said" and so forth while Dave did his best Nik impression with main `Brainstorm' vocal; nice to see them acknowledging their influences like that, I thought :-) Does that boy Mundell like standing on monitors or _what_, anyway? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From chip at PCC.COM Tue Oct 2 12:39:57 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:39:57 -0400 Subject: Motorhead and sitcoms Message-ID: > MOTORHEAD is confirmed to appear on the Drew Carey show. Filming begins > this > Monday, September 24. The show will air on October 24th -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 2 15:37:17 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:37:17 +0100 Subject: BOC:(more) Lots o' Stuff In-Reply-To: <518ECB498B81754EA93EE1DF5CD8C492035F66D4@sdfy2.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Scruton, Jason wrote: > >Hey, has anyone ever done one of those "tree diagrams" showing all the > >incarnations of BOC and where various members came from or went to? > Funnily enough, a few years ago I did do that, by combing through the FAQ > for dates personnel etc. Its actually quite BIG once you throw in the > numerous drummers the band had in the 90's (like Micelli, Rondinelli, > Burgi.... huh, I just noticed that odd affinity for a vowel ending) > I'll see If I can dig it up, clean it off and scan it somewhere. There's > well over a dozen incarnations of BOC's numerous memberships (including SFG > and SWU and Oaxaca etc) > T'would be fun. Would have to update it to include the current tBS lineup > changes, the Dunaway Smith and Bouchard band, and the Helen Wheels > BouchardBouchardRoeser co. That would be cool. The BOC side of the list lacks the obessional mania for detail which has driven similar productions on the HW side (mentioning no names especially not that Jarrett fellow). But if it's to be found, either you or John are the men for the job :-) > >"Boorman the Chauffer" is a great example, IMHO. > If they left it in, S.P. probably would have said something like Boorman was > Imaginos' brief stint as a limo driver taking some band (The Dave Clark > Five?) with cosmic significance to the song cycle to an important point in > history, like Altamont -- a sort of "simultaneous temporal maneuvering" > between his role in WWII (whatever that was! :) ) and the Transmaniacon MC > which still culminates in whatever Astronomy concludes with. Yeah. uh huh. Well, I have to admit until I heard the lyrics I assumed it was an Imaginos track because I parsed it as Borman, as in Martin, Hitler's secretary and indeed, I believe, chauffeur. Von Ondine's death, the original Borman shooting himself, and twenty years later a German immigrant with a dark past and indeed ancestry is found at the wheel of the limo as the band in which Imaginos only lives to be born again drives towards the entrance of the seaweed gate... flanked by the ranked guards of the Transmaniacon MC, who, their allotted task fulfilled, find themselves aged and cast aside in ths day of flashing plumage with only one course of action left for them to take... (oh, I'm sorry, mixed reference). > Time to stop drinking Dunkin Donuts Coffee. Haha, I was off caffeine for two days before this morning, you think I could come up with the above under normal circumstances? %-] Yours, Jon ObCD: Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band - _The Mirror Man Sessions_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Oct 2 15:58:26 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:58:26 +0100 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW Message-ID: > "In best Hawkwind tradition, the Royal Festival Hall gig promises special > guests ranging from Arthur Brown to Blur guitarist Graham Coxon ..." another mainstream musician comes out of the closet and admits to liking hawkwind? I wonder what songs hes going to play on? colm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 2 17:36:29 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:36:29 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: Hi there... I'm just listening to Nik's Transglobal Friends & Relations for the first time, and so far, it's quite tasty. Anyway, I'm also pouring over Roger's excellent photos (some of which look strangely familiar, given that some of them were taken while I was standing/seated next to him). But then some of the others are from other places and times, and the extended Farflung/P-Hed/Creed family (can we call them the P-Hed All-Stars now?) has remained faceless to many of us. And sometimes nameless, although they've pretty much let the cat out of the bag that Gammaknife! is indeed Brandon LaBelle. So can someone help me as to who everyone is here? I'll start with what I can guess.... Booklet Page 1 (cover) - Spiny Nik Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his hands? I'd guess a violin, but that doesn't look like Simon House, does it? Is it perhaps Alan Powell? Pretty grainy photo in any case. Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik Page 4 - Rob Jacobs (of Midnite Sun Lightshow) Page 5 - Paul Fox (?) and Nik Page 6 - Tommy Grenas Page 7 - Len Del Rio Page 8 - Simon House Page 9 - either Del Dettmar or Gavin MacLeod (seated), (standing, from left-to-right) Paul Fox (?), Paul Della Pelle (?), Rodney Horihata (?), Helios (or is that Tommy again?), Len Del Rio Page 10 - Steve Taylor Page 11 - I dunno, Paul Fox again? Page 12 (back) - Nik Back insert tray (left-to-right) - no idea really, Steve Taylor, drummer hidden-was it LaBelle?, Nik, Tommy G. (pretty sure this is Cleveland-Symposium 1999 after-SD 'party') That's the best I could do. I'm afraid I'm just not very good at remembering faces and names, including even people I've met multiple times! Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 2 17:41:50 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:41:50 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: Hi again... >Booklet >Page 1 (cover) - Spiny Nik >Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his hands? >I'd guess a violin, but that doesn't look like Simon House, does it? Is it >perhaps Alan Powell? Pretty grainy photo in any case. >Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik Oh hell, maybe that's Helios there too. I dunno, I see a guy with a bigger build, a guitar, and a dark goatee, and I immediately think it's Tommy. Grakkl (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 2 19:06:45 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:06:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Joseph Brooks wrote: > How could we not include: > > Muscle of Love - Alice Cooper > > ...and didn't Greenday have a song.. not a fan of theirs so I dunno the > title but, it had something about "bite my lip and close my eyes, take me > away to paradise" Though it hardly matters now, the song is `Longview' from _Dookie_ and also includes the line "when masturbation's lost its fun you're fucking lazy' which has to help. Yours, Jon (who is a sort of fan of theirs) ----------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:23:39 +0100 > From: Richard Lockwood > Subject: Re: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help > > > >Orgasm Addict (Buzzcocks) > > >Turning Japanese (The Vapors) > > >I Touch Myself (The Divinyls) > > >Teenage Kicks (The Undertones) > > >Dancing With Myself (Billy Idol) > > >Get a Grip On Yourself(?) (Semisonic - new single) > > >Another Valentines Day Wank (Beautiful South) > > >Practically, anything by Ivor Biggun and the Red Nosed Burglars or Kevin > > >Bloody Wilson > Pictures of Lily (the Who) > Auto-Manipulator (Crispin Hellion Glover - great Beastie Boys parody) > lou reed - i'm banging on my drum (from rock & roll heart) > "My Ding a Ling" by Chuck Berry > > Mr Bolts of Ungodly has suggested one or two more rather obscure ones, but > we'll stick with reasonably well known ones for now... > > Any more for any more? > > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObTrackOnBPRF: Right To Decide - Oh, you know who... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:40:05 -0400 > From: Tim > Subject: Re: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help > > how about `don't touch me there' by the tubes > heathcliff > Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > Tish and peshwari naan... me again. > > > > We were thinking about doing a gig where all songs would be covers of > songs > > about wanking. > > > > So far we've got; > > > > Orgasm Addict (Buzzcocks) > > Turning Japanese (The Vapors) > > I Touch Myself (The Divinyls) > > Teenage Kicks (The Undertones) > > Dancing With Myself (Billy Idol) > > Get a Grip On Yourself(?) (Semisonic - new single) > > Another Valentines Day Wank (Beautiful South) > > Practically, anything by Ivor Biggun and the Red Nosed Burglars or Kevin > > Bloody Wilson > > > > Any other suggestions would be much appreciated. > > > > ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ObTrackOnBPRF: The Intro And The Outro - The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band > -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 2 17:19:15 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:19:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Probably Already Been Mentioned, but . . . In-Reply-To: <20011002132749.A22276@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: At 13:27 +0100 02.10.2001, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >The last time they [Monster Magnet] were in London they dropped into a >single-note >riff during the bridge of `Dinosaur Vacumn' and started chanting "This is >it, this is it, is it, is it, she said" and so forth while Dave did his >best Nik impression with main `Brainstorm' vocal; nice to see them >acknowledging their influences like that, I thought :-) In fairness, they did the riff that that comes out of the "this is it, this is it, is it, is it, she said" section of "Brainstorm" as well. >Does that boy Mundell like standing on monitors or _what_, >anyway? There were some good views to be had up on those monitors .... Cheers, Carl From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 2 17:22:59 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:22:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <3BB9B69F.1E57EA6D@mitre.org> Message-ID: >> > Although I can somewhat understand it, I have to put up a (small) >> > protest to >> > the slagging Mirrors occasionally takes here. > >LOL - just don't slag the almighty Club Ninja! ;-) Well, I'll chime in to say I like plenty of the stuff on Mirrors. OK, it's no _ST_ (or _Imaginos_, for that matter!), but it's not bad at all. Better album than I've made :) >Now, if this had been any other BOC forum, I would immediately expect a >number of people to rush to that album's defense. Maybe it'll happen >here, but I'll just say that my intent of mentioning CN is not to >announce my own displeasure for the album, and yes it does have some >good songs I kinda like "Beat 'em Up" for reasons I don't entirely understand :) >(but ask any 6 BOC fans what their favorite CN track is and >you'll get 6 different answers) - my point is that it is regarded by BOC >fans *in general* as the band's weakest output. I'd have to reassess it against the new one :/ Cheers, Carl From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 2 19:29:32 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:29:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies In-Reply-To: <020b01c10738$4dfa5920$ba0fbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Not to be picky, but isn't it Mick Wayne, the guy from Juniors Eyes' > 'Battersea Power Station' album? > Andy Garibaldi. > > > >1971 Paul Rudolph quits and the other to grab a guitarist called James > > >Wayne for one single (`Well Well Well') I think you have the right of it. What became of him, why did he last so briefly with the Fairies? Because `Well Well Well' is a top song IMO. Yours, Jon ObCD: The Eastern Dark - _Where Are All the Single Girls?_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Oct 2 19:19:51 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:19:51 +0200 Subject: NIK: Photos... In-Reply-To: <200110022252.SAA19611@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi, >So can someone help me as to who everyone is here? I'll start with what I >can guess.... [snip list] >That's the best I could do. I'm afraid I'm just not very good at >remembering faces and names, including even people I've met multiple times! Do you perhaps have scans of those pics? I don't have that Nik CD (yet)... :-| I could send you (or upload) some Helios Creed and/or Paul della Pelle photos for comparison if you like. (c)IAO D+R np: Helios Creed, "Planet X" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 2 19:36:16 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:36:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies/Deviants In-Reply-To: <020c01c10738$4ea9d300$ba0fbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Exactly the opposite for me - thought 'Previously Unreleased' is a real > belter rock mini album and 'Kill 'em' is a real disappointment - ah well, > that's opinion for you. > Andy Garibaldi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Ozric Tentacles/ Pink Fairies > . The album produced is called _Kill 'Em and Eat 'em_ and is OK 80s > > >rock with sadly _Xenon Codex_-like production values, but it's not really > > >what one expects from the PF moniker. > > > > I rather like that album, certainly not very psychedelic but Wallis has a > real > > knack as a raunch'n'roll songwriter. The Mick Farren lyrics on a couple of > > tracks are a bonus too. Certainly I like it better than the "Previously > > Unreleased" mini-album to which you refer elsewhere. Well, what there _is_ of _Previously Unreleased_ is pretty good, thoug none of it really grabs me as stand-out stuff apart from `Coming Back Again' which has a couple of nice rhymes. But it basically goes to show that Larry-Wallis-by-numbers is pretty damn good and little more, and it's only six short songs, when we would expect at least one eight minute epic with massive soloes a la `I Wish I Was a Girl'. By contrast _Kill 'Em and Eat 'Em has two or three good *songs* on it, even it lacks the energy and the production sucks all the life out of it. I still wouldn't take either of them for anything earlier. A thought: who is the bit of the Deviants Mick can't bring over? Adrian Shaw was to play bass; Larry Wallis is presumably one of the Pink Fairies members playing and he lives in London; Mick's coming over anyway; is it Andy Colqhun they can't get? Lame show anyway, it's not as if they couldn't do something with a substitute even at this late date. I reckon Larry Wallis should preview some of the new material and do some stuff with Mick guesting, personally. I'm kind of hoping this occurs to Oz-IT too. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Oct 2 19:52:22 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:52:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, being thick as a brick here and slightly buzzed... Has the second round of BOC remasters been announced? No indication on the BOC Web site or any other the other relevant sites that I checked. I get the feeling from this thread that there has been some movement on this front. NP: Geils / Monkey Island (man, Seth Justman can SHRED a Hammond!!! Whatever happened to dem guyz???) Ship From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 2 20:12:09 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:12:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: J. Geils Message-ID: being local (boston), i've seen geils' and magic dick's blues band 'bluestime' a few times in past years...and not really sure if that's an ongoing concern at this time. wolf has put out a few hardcore soul/r&b solo lps, the last one getting a RAVE review/interview time on National Public Radio. the title escapes me thats about it bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 2 20:19:16 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:19:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:29:32 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > >> Not to be picky, but isn't it Mick Wayne, the guy from Juniors Eyes'? >> >> > >1971 Paul Rudolph quits and the other to grab a guitarist called James >> > >Wayne for one single (`Well Well Well') > > I think you have the right of it. What became of him, why did he >last so briefly with the Fairies? Because `Well Well Well' is a top song >IMO. Yes, it was Mick Wayne. According to Larry Wallis (the mammoth interview that ran in Forced Exposure about 15 years ago ... an absolutely essential read for PF's/Deviants/Steve Took fans), he basically didn't fit in. According to the interview, Larry was brought in to augment the Wayne/Sanderson/Hunter lineup with some lead guitar muscle, but Mick was more into, I guess, Status Quo-type stuff than stuff like "When's The Fun Begin", so that four-piece lineup didn't last long. I agree, though. "Well Well Well" is a good tune, and its B-side, "Hold On", wasn't bad, either. Although "City Kids" stomps all over 'em (IMO). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Oct 2 20:58:48 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:58:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: J. Geils Message-ID: I think J. Geils Bluestime just played (or will soon) recently at Indian Ranch in Webster, MA. Chris Robert C. Mayo wrote: > being local (boston), i've seen geils' and magic dick's blues band > 'bluestime' a few times in past years...and not really sure if that's an > ongoing concern at this time. wolf has put out a few hardcore soul/r&b solo > lps, the last one getting a RAVE review/interview time on National Public > Radio. the title escapes me > thats about it > bobm > > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 2 23:19:10 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 04:19:10 +0100 Subject: NEW ICU/ HAWK CD's AVAILABLE Message-ID: NEW ICU/ HAWK CD's AVAILABLE From http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk - REAL festival music - our new website. - many more festy band cd's available here. . HAMBURG LIVE - Bajina new By the Hawkwind/Inner City Unit partnership "Bajina", featuring Ron Tree, Judge Trev, Dino Ferari, and Trips. Their first gig at the Hamburg Hawkfest 2001. Digitally recorded, edited and eq'd. 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Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 2 23:26:55 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:26:55 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos...etc. Message-ID: DR asked... >>So can someone help me as to who everyone is here? I'll start with what I >>can guess.... >[snip list] >>That's the best I could do. I'm afraid I'm just not very good at >>remembering faces and names, including even people I've met multiple times! > >Do you perhaps have scans of those pics? I don't have that Nik CD (yet)... :-| >I could send you (or upload) some Helios Creed and/or Paul della Pelle >photos for comparison if you like. Alright, I've put up four of these at the URL below (I chose this yahoogroup because I knew there was space there to house them, and it's my group, so nobody's going to complain). I only have a crap scanner, and so these images are physically large (>500K) but yet have worse resolution than the originals. Sorry. http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files/ Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Floralia, Vol. 3 P.S. I got the new Marble Sheep in the mail the other day. One listen only - it's pretty decent actually. Worth the $10 at least. Kinda short though - around 38 min. Lineup is: Ken Matsutani - V,G,Perc; Rie Miyazaki (F?) - G,Perc; Akiko Takahashi (F; Also in Ars Nova?) - D,K,Perc; Hirokazu Furukawa (F); Souichirou Nakamura - D,K,Perc. The style is rawer, heavier guitar stuff 'underneath' (compared to crap like 'Twiga'), but not like the crazed over-the-top stuff of so many Japanese bands (incl. Marble Sheep Mk. 1)....there's plenty of melodies here too - rather like Calvert-fronted Hawkwind songs, ummm...Kerb Crawler comes to mind. Though of course it doesn't *really* sound like Hawkwind, I just mean that sort of songstylings. The other thing I got was the 3XCD Guru Guru, which I haven't listened to at all. I have the 2LP version (Live 98) which is excellent, so this has all that, plus a couple tracks (it looks) that weren't on there, and then a third disc of Live '71 stuff! (I wonder if the sound quality is crap though?) Anyway, even if that one sucks, it's still a great deal at $25. From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Wed Oct 3 04:10:12 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:10:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies/Deviants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > A thought: who is the bit of the Deviants Mick can't bring > over? Adrian Shaw was to play bass; Larry Wallis is presumably one of the > Pink Fairies members playing and he lives in London; Mick's coming over > anyway; is it Andy Colqhun they can't get? Lame show anyway, it's not as > if they couldn't do something with a substitute even at this late date. I > reckon Larry Wallis should preview some of the new material and do some > stuff with Mick guesting, personally. I'm kind of hoping this occurs to > Oz-IT too. Yours, The "bit of the Deviants" in question is basically Mick's regular band: Andy Colquhoun, Doug Lunn and Ric Parnell. If I were in Mick's shoes, and was suddenly informed they couldn't bring my band over, but I'm welcome to work something out with the other guys who'll be there... I might not be too impressed. Jon - do you have any contacts who might be able to get Mick a speaking engagement or book signing somewhere in Cambridge? -- Andy www.andygilham.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Oct 2 22:27:35 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:27:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree-j.geils Message-ID: j.geils...ahhh... one of the best,and 2 years later one of the worst concerts i ever saw. monkey island,great under-rated album...love that title track tim Craig Shipley wrote: > > > NP: Geils / Monkey Island (man, Seth Justman can SHRED a Hammond!!! Whatever > happened to dem guyz???) > > Ship From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 3 06:45:34 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:45:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help In-Reply-To: <006801c10739$8eae4340$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Kevin Perry wrote: > And Calvert's Thanks to the Scientists has the great line: > > Heredity is chosen > By anyone who wanks Seems petty to be pedantic after this long, but that's never topped me before; that line's from `Acid Rain', I think, unless he used it twice (still never seen TTC for less than sixteen quid when I didn't have such money). Yours, Jon ObCD: The Incredible Expanding Mindfuck - _IEM_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 3 06:52:41 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:52:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help Message-ID: It is - someone else corrected me too. Still a great line though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: OFF: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY - a plea for help > On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > And Calvert's Thanks to the Scientists has the great line: > > > > Heredity is chosen > > By anyone who wanks > > Seems petty to be pedantic after this long, but that's never > topped me before; that line's from `Acid Rain', I think, unless he used it > twice (still never seen TTC for less than sixteen quid when I didn't have > such money). Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: The Incredible Expanding Mindfuck - _IEM_ > -- > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From nick at NETPHD.NET Wed Oct 3 06:58:00 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:58:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >(but ask any 6 BOC fans what their favorite CN track is and > >you\'ll get 6 different answers) - my point is that it is regarded by > BOC > >fans *in general* as the band\'s weakest output. > > I\'d have to reassess it against the new one :/ Can\'t agree there. I think Curse is a strong album, although I wouldn\'t put it up against much of the \"classic\" BOC. . . but I don\'t think that\'s the point anymore since we\'re almost 3 decades past the band\'s glory years and two of the more fiercely creative members have been gone for 20 years. If CN has anything over Curse, it\'s that Curse doesn\'t have a track as strong as Perfect Water. But for that one song, I think CN is more or less a throwaway album. --Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 3 07:25:57 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:25:57 EDT Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <1002106680.3bbaef38738a6@www.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 3 Oct 2001, at 6:58, Nick English wrote: > > > Can\'t agree there. I think Curse is a strong album, although I > wouldn\'t put it up against much of the \"classic\" BOC. . . but I > don\'t think that\'s the point anymore since we\'re almost 3 decades > past the band\'s glory years and two of the more fiercely creative > members have been gone for 20 years. > So, Nick, are you going to Saturday's gig? theo From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 3 10:27:46 2001 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:27:46 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter Message-ID: re " The U.S. was the first country born out of the Enlightenment" which would never have happened without Arabic science, btw re "the US does not invade and hold territory." erm, hello? would the names Vietnam, West Berlin, Grenada, Japan etc etc have any resonance ........? please take off those RayBans for a minute and look at your oh so tolerant and free country (not) dave From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 3 12:52:26 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:52:26 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter Message-ID: In a message dated 10/3/2001 11:57:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > please take off those RayBans for a minute and look at your oh so tolerant > and free > country (not) > > dave > what's your point, please? bobm From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 3 13:12:11 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:12:11 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 3 Oct 2001, at 15:27, dave evans wrote: > re " The U.S. was the first country born out of the Enlightenment" > > which would never have happened without Arabic science, btw > So I guess you've already booked your one-way ticket to the Middle East? > re "the US does not invade and hold territory." > > erm, hello? would the names Vietnam, West Berlin, Yeah, I bet the West Berliners really resented that brutal occupation, esp. considering they could have had a worker's paradise like their East Berlin brethren... Grenada, An invited intervention... Japan etc A conquered opponent who attacked us first. I bet, had the outcome of the war been different, the US would have gotten very fair treatment from the Japanese. Similar to that meted out to the Koreans, Chinese, Burmese, etc... All we did was rebuild the economy and infrastructure of a nation that attacked us, with the result being their factories are now the greatest in the world--except perhaps for Germany, another nation exploited by the conquering Americans... theo From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Oct 3 13:27:45 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:27:45 +0200 Subject: NIK: Photos... In-Reply-To: <200110022252.SAA19611@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hiho, thanks for the quick upload! I'll try the best I can, though this isn't very much (I haven't seen the Pressurehed-guys live). >Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his >hands? I'd guess a violin, but that doesn't look like Simon House, does it? >Is it perhaps Alan Powell? Pretty grainy photo in any case. It's not Simon, but could be Alan. >Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik It's not Helios and neither is it Tommy IMO (did he have long hair in the past?). This could be one of the Scandinavian guys (from the Moor or 5:15 perhaps). >Page 9 - either Del Dettmar or Gavin MacLeod (seated), (standing, from >left-to-right) Paul Fox (?), Paul Della Pelle (?), Rodney Horihata (?), >Helios (or is that Tommy again?), Len Del Rio The guy beside Len is definitely Tommy (Helios' face is more slender), and I think it's Del, the others however... Perhaps one of those guys is Doran Shelley? >Page 11 - I dunno, Paul Fox again? Don't know, but could be. that wasn't much help I fear... (c)IAO D+R From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Oct 3 14:10:52 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:10:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Who's going to Strange Daze? Message-ID: Hi gang! Wish I was one of the list members who are going to the HW shows in November in the UK. But, for those of us on the other side of the pond, there's still Strange Daze in October in the US to look forward to. Who's going from the list? http://www.strange-trips.com/docs/ I'll be in Cleveland Oct 26th & 27th and at the Milwaukee, WI Mr Quimby's Beard/Harvey Bainbridge show Oct 19th. Anyone who wants to coordinate travel and lodging plans can email off-list. Karen -- "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Gandhi From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 3 15:36:08 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:36:08 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:27:45 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >>Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his >>hands? This photo is way to blurry for me to tell, I can't see how that person could be recognized. >>Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik > >It's not Helios and neither is it Tommy IMO (did he have long hair in the >past?). This could be one of the Scandinavian guys (from the Moor or 5:15 >perhaps). It's definitely Tommy, he's always had long hair AFAIK. Also, he (and Helios) would've been the only guitarists singing into a microphone next to Nik. >>Page 9 - either Del Dettmar or Gavin MacLeod (seated), (standing, from >>left-to-right) Paul Fox (?), Paul Della Pelle (?), Rodney Horihata (?), >>Helios (or is that Tommy again?), Len Del Rio > >The guy beside Len is definitely Tommy (Helios' face is more slender), Yes, no question. >and I think it's Del, Again, no question. I think Keith has Paul Fox identified correctly, but I'm not 100% sure of that. >>Page 11 - I dunno, Paul Fox again? > >Don't know, but could be. Len Del Rio and his Korg MS-10. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 3 16:10:40 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:10:40 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter Message-ID: Hmm, I mostly agree with you, Theo, but, uh, you seem to have ignored Vietnam... :-) But anyway. Isn't this, like, totally off topic?? Alex. ------------------------------------------------------ >> re " The U.S. was the first country born out of the Enlightenment" >> >> which would never have happened without Arabic science, btw >> > >So I guess you've already booked your one-way ticket to the Middle >East? > >> re "the US does not invade and hold territory." >> >> erm, hello? would the names Vietnam, West Berlin, > >Yeah, I bet the West Berliners really resented that brutal >occupation, esp. considering they could have had a worker's >paradise like their East Berlin brethren... > >Grenada, > >An invited intervention... > >Japan etc > >A conquered opponent who attacked us first. I bet, had the >outcome of the war been different, the US would have gotten very >fair treatment from the Japanese. Similar to that meted out to the >Koreans, Chinese, Burmese, etc... > >All we did was rebuild the economy and infrastructure of a nation >that attacked us, with the result being their factories are now the >greatest in the world--except perhaps for Germany, another nation >exploited by the conquering Americans... > >theo > --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sorry for misleading information, please check www.hawkwind.org (Mission Control) for important updates later tonight. Hawkwind From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 3 16:07:44 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:07:44 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: Doug helps out with... >On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:27:45 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht > wrote: >>>Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his >>>hands? > >This photo is way to blurry for me to tell, I can't see how that person >could be recognized. Yeah, it doesn't look much better in the booklet itself...actually, if you take that big image I put up there and then shrink it down quite a bit, it's a little easier to recognise features. Same is true with the others...I just left them that large so as to not compromise resolution. >>>Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik >> >>It's not Helios and neither is it Tommy IMO (did he have long hair in the >>past?). This could be one of the Scandinavian guys (from the Moor or 5:15 >>perhaps). > >It's definitely Tommy, he's always had long hair AFAIK. Also, he (and >Helios) would've been the only guitarists singing into a microphone next to >Nik. Yeah, I think he ties it back and 'hides' it sometimes, doesn't he? I don't remember him having a 'mane' whenever I've seen him at SD's. >>>Page 9 - either Del Dettmar or Gavin MacLeod (seated), (standing, from >>>left-to-right) Paul Fox (?), Paul Della Pelle (?), Rodney Horihata (?), >>>Helios (or is that Tommy again?), Len Del Rio >> >>The guy beside Len is definitely Tommy (Helios' face is more slender), > >Yes, no question. OK, good. I was just confused by that photo, as what the hell is Rodney Horihata (if that is indeed him)* doing in there? He's only played in Helios' band (not with Nik) from what I can tell and then only fairly recently. That's kind of why I thought the others must also include Helios-related folk like Della Pelle. So then the bassist guy (fuzzy photo not shown) that I thought might be Fox on Page 5 isn't nearly so tall as the guy second from left in Page 9, so that was my thinking as to why I thought Della Pelle might be the tall dude, Stewart Copeland/Simon King-esque in stature seemingly not a 'stretch.' :) *I don't think it's Damo (who has actually performed with Farflung guys, right Doug?), because there's a '98 photo of Damo in the Guru Guru box I just got, and I'm pretty sure that ain't the same guy...this guy's too young to be him anyway. >>and I think it's Del, > >Again, no question. Yeah, the Gavin MacLeod was a joke...anybody remember Captain Stubing? All he needs is the nautical cap. :) >I think Keith has Paul Fox identified correctly, but >I'm not 100% sure of that. > >>>Page 11 - I dunno, Paul Fox again? >> >>Don't know, but could be. > >Len Del Rio and his Korg MS-10. Hmmm...I've never seen Len look so menacing! He's always seemed so kind and friendly to me. :) And leave it to Doug to identify the electronics the best! Wondering why it is that I'm caring about who's who in the photos, which I suppose means that even with so many 'new' releases in the HW camp (some of which are quite good no doubt), there really isn't very much *new* stuff coming forth from *anybody*! Well, the Death Generator album (how many years in the making?!?) will hopefully see the light of day. Then maybe they'll get on with that Earth Ritual next! :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. OK, so now who are the fans in the audience on (the actual) Disc One photo showing Nik honking away (apparently) whilst strolling in front of the crowd? Anybody recognize themselves there? From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 3 17:34:25 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:34:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Who's going to Strange Daze? Message-ID: I'm going to Milwaukee hopefully. Although I'm torn between maybe going to chicago, cause Nik will be there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: OFF: Who's going to Strange Daze? > Hi gang! > to. > > Who's going from the list? > > http://www.strange-trips.com/docs/ > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Oct 3 17:37:06 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:37:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival Hall misinformation Message-ID: Oops that should be www.hawkwind.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: HW: Festival Hall misinformation Hello folks, Sam Fox will not be appearing at The Royal Festival Hall with us on 10th Oct. Sorry for misleading information, please check www.hawkwind.org (Mission Control) for important updates later tonight. Hawkwind From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 3 17:56:37 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:56:37 +0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter Message-ID: From: "Ted Jackson" > All we did was rebuild the economy and infrastructure of a nation > that attacked us, with the result being their factories are now the > greatest in the world--except perhaps for Germany, another nation > exploited by the conquering Americans... > > theo Can you gather your forces and come down and conquer Australia please. Bill From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Oct 3 18:07:18 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:07:18 -0400 Subject: HW: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ! Message-ID: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++STAR WARRIORS All personnel please report to Mission Control Updates for an important briefing message.......... http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MESSAGE ENDS :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Oct 3 18:06:24 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:06:24 -0400 Subject: Motorhead at the HOB Message-ID: FYI- I'll be going to see Motorhead tonight at the House of Blues in Hollywood. I'll post a review in a few days. Dr. Dan From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 3 18:36:55 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:36:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: Hi, Just in case anyone's desperate and hasn;t found it yet or just loves mail order, the new BOC live double CD ('Psychic Wars') from the early '80's is now here at the price of a single CD (not a CD single) (well, actually, now nearly sold out but you get my drift) and the quality and performances are GREAT despite the weird editing fades on disc one, so anyone who wants one, the usual place please......... Andy G andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree Knopfler) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 3 18:47:52 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:47:52 +0100 Subject: off Guru Guru Message-ID: Sadly, yes it is.................. did I ever tell that I have better quality live tapes than this and Mani rejected their release because he said that the drumming wasn't good enough!!! Bizarre or what - I just think he didn't want me to put them out on CD, but who can say...........maybe he'll change his mind one day. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: Re: NIK: Photos...etc. I have the 2LP version (Live 98) which is excellent, so this has all > that, plus a couple tracks (it looks) that weren't on there, and then a > third disc of Live '71 stuff! (I wonder if the sound quality is crap > though?) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 3 19:03:06 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:03:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Who's going to Strange Daze? In-Reply-To: <029501c14c53$2c7ef980$53a4e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Dan Witt wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Who's going to Strange Daze? : :I'm going to Milwaukee hopefully. Although I'm torn between maybe going to :chicago, cause Nik will be there. : come to the chicago gig. I'll be there. come wave hi. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From nick at NETPHD.NET Wed Oct 3 19:08:42 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:08:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <3BBABD85.27944.117621@localhost> Message-ID: > > > So, Nick, are you going to Saturday\'s gig? > > theo > I didn\'t even know there WAS a gig! Where is it? At this point, I\'m gonna have to say no, because when I go to an Upstate NY gig (I live in Central PA now), I have to have my kids stay with my family. . . and they\'re coming HERE for the weekend. Cruel irony. --Nick From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 3 21:26:22 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:26:22 EDT Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: Dear Keith, OK. Page 2 is Del Dettmar Page 3 is definitely Tommy Grenas and Nick (despite Denis Regenbrecht's opinion.) Page 9 is Del seated, and the two gentlemen at far right are Tommy Grenas and Len Del Rio, I have no idea who is in the center, and I think that Alan Powell is far left with Brandon LaBelle next to him. (not sure about those last two.) Page 11 is definitely Paul Fox. The rest of them you nailed. Hope that helps a little. Yours, Eli Friedman In a message dated 10/2/01 5:53:13 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << So can someone help me as to who everyone is here? I'll start with what I can guess.... Booklet Page 1 (cover) - Spiny Nik Page 2 - must be an old Hawkwind guy - what's that he's holding in his hands? I'd guess a violin, but that doesn't look like Simon House, does it? Is it perhaps Alan Powell? Pretty grainy photo in any case. Page 3 - Tommy Grenas and Nik Page 4 - Rob Jacobs (of Midnite Sun Lightshow) Page 5 - Paul Fox (?) and Nik Page 6 - Tommy Grenas Page 7 - Len Del Rio Page 8 - Simon House Page 9 - either Del Dettmar or Gavin MacLeod (seated), (standing, from left-to-right) Paul Fox (?), Paul Della Pelle (?), Rodney Horihata (?), Helios (or is that Tommy again?), Len Del Rio Page 10 - Steve Taylor Page 11 - I dunno, Paul Fox again? Page 12 (back) - Nik Back insert tray (left-to-right) - no idea really, Steve Taylor, drummer hidden-was it LaBelle?, Nik, Tommy G. (pretty sure this is Cleveland-Symposium 1999 after-SD 'party') >> From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 3 21:35:06 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:35:06 -0400 Subject: NIK: Photos... Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:26:22 EDT, Eli Friedman wrote: >Page 11 is definitely Paul Fox. The rest of them you nailed. I was wrong with BOTH ID's on that page! The synth is an MS-20, not MS- 10. The MS-10 doesn't have the pushbutton next to the wheel (although the MS-10 is the model that Len has used on all the Nik tours he's done). -Doug From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 3 22:15:42 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:15:42 EDT Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: is this 'official' (i think everybody here knows what that means...) or a boot? bobm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 3 23:32:58 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:32:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: First Things First Message-ID: Hi Folks... Any thoughts? Never heard of 'em before today...a quick websearch has yielded the following summary... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ First Things First (Munich, Germany) Punkish spacerock/krautrock, seem to be often compared to Chrome/Creed LP/CD Discography (as far as I can tell) 1. Dirtbag Blowout (Glitterhouse Records - LP only?) 2. Life Reducer (Glitterhouse Records) 3. World Band Receiver (1995) 4. Medicine Wheel (newer?) plus some others singles, like "Second to None" b/w ?, that is apparently more purely space rock from description. If anyone here recommends one particular album of theirs, could you also recommend potential sources? Thanks in advance... Grakkl (FAA) From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Oct 4 05:35:03 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 05:35:03 -0400 Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle Message-ID: I have been known to imbibe from time to time, as anyone at Hawkestra will verify. "A pint of Guinness, ach just make it the 4, save me coming back every ten minutes" Stuart Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:52:14 +0100 From: dave hall Subject: Re: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle Do you take a drink, then? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Z E Itgeist To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 September 2001 10:10 Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle >Goint to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle (although not in that order) > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:48:47 +0100 >From: dave hall >Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh > >Going to both - a last call for a pint? > >Dave > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 4 07:23:27 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:23:27 EDT Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <1002150522.3bbb9a7ad04d2@www.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 3 Oct 2001, at 19:08, Nick English wrote: > > > > > So, Nick, are you going to Saturday\'s gig? > > > > theo > > > > I didn\'t even know there WAS a gig! Where is it? It's at Northern Lights in Clifton Park [near Albany]. Pretty good venue. They played there last year around this time... At this point, > I\'m gonna have to say no, because when I go to an Upstate NY gig (I > live in Central PA now), I have to have my kids stay with my family. . > . and they\'re coming HERE for the weekend. Cruel irony. > Bummer. Should be a great gig. B?C doesn't seem to be playing a lot of bar gigs anymore. During the summer they only play festival- type shows... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 4 07:33:43 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:33:43 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter In-Reply-To: <200110032010.QAA04395@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 3 Oct 2001, at 16:10, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Hmm, I mostly agree with you, Theo, but, uh, you seem to have ignored > Vietnam... :-) > Yeah, I ignored Vietnam, Guatemala, Iran. Lots of places. theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 4 08:58:19 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:58:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mirrors & OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <3BBC0E70.14114.AB3E0@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Bummer. Should be a great gig. B?C doesn't seem to be playing > a lot of bar gigs anymore. During the summer they only play festival- > type shows... > > theo At least they're still "on tour forever." I'm not going to make it to Northern Lights either this time, but hopefully they'll make another circuit around the country before too long. Brian -- Vincent Price Talking Lawnmower MP3 Radio Zombies on Flower Power http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/171/vincent_price_talking_lawn.html From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 4 09:39:38 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:39:38 +0100 Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle In-Reply-To: <200110040935.FAA29551@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: NO! NEVER! I'll testify that I went to the bar, couldn't find you on the way back and had to drink all your beer at Brixton... :-) Cheers, Rich. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Z E Itgeist > Sent: 04 October 2001 10:35 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > > I have been known to imbibe from time to time, as anyone at Hawkestra will > verify. "A pint of Guinness, ach just make it the 4, save me coming back > every ten minutes" > > Stuart > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:52:14 +0100 > From: dave hall > Subject: Re: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > Do you take a drink, then? > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Z E Itgeist > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 27 September 2001 10:10 > Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > > >Goint to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle (although not in that order) > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:48:47 +0100 > >From: dave hall > >Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh > > > >Going to both - a last call for a pint? > > > >Dave > > > From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Thu Oct 4 15:03:50 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:03:50 +0100 Subject: HW: NZ tour diary Message-ID: >From New Zealand's LISTENER magazine, April last year: http://www.andygilham.com/hawknz.htm -- Andy www.andygilham.com From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Oct 4 15:44:21 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:44:21 +0100 Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And I can second that as a witness!!! ChrisW (sober so far tonight, but I'm only half way through my bottle of red) At 14:39 04/10/01, you wrote: >NO! NEVER! I'll testify that I went to the bar, couldn't find you on the >way back and had to drink all your beer at Brixton... > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Z E Itgeist > > Sent: 04 October 2001 10:35 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > > > > > I have been known to imbibe from time to time, as anyone at Hawkestra will > > verify. "A pint of Guinness, ach just make it the 4, save me coming back > > every ten minutes" > > > > Stuart > > > > > > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 20:52:14 +0100 > > From: dave hall > > Subject: Re: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > > > Do you take a drink, then? > > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Z E Itgeist > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 27 September 2001 10:10 > > Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh Newcastle > > > > > > >Goint to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle (although not in that order) > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:48:47 +0100 > > >From: dave hall > > >Subject: November Gigs - Glasgow and Edinburgh > > > > > >Going to both - a last call for a pint? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Thu Oct 4 15:49:39 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:49:39 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: > The Brain Surgeons, X Brothers, many others? > > Monday, October 8, 2001 > > Don Hill's > > New York City > > and further down the pike > Helen Wheels Memorial Concert > > The Brain Surgeons & Friends, The > Dictators, Tish & Snooky, Static > Cling, Jack Secret, Buck Dharma, > Sandy Roeser, Bouchard, Dunnaway nd Smith, Scott Kempner > Wednesday, December 5, 2001 > > > TBA --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 4 15:23:45 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:23:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: BLUE OYSTER CULT 'Tales From The Psychic Wars' Burning Airlines Label FORMAT: 2 CD SET RELEASE DATE: 1.Dr. Music 2.Burnin' for you 3.Fire of unknown origin 4.Joan Crawford 5.Veterans of the psychic wars 6.Hot Rails To Hell 7.Me 262 8.Dont fear the reaper 9.Godzilla 10.Born to be wild 11.5 Guitars 12.Roadhouse Blues Disc two: Pasadena Perkins palace 1983 1.Stairways to the stars 2.Harvester of eyes 3.Workshop of the telescopes 4.Beforethe Kiss, 5.Born to rock 6.Hot rails to hell 7.Seven screaming dizbusters 8.Cities on flame with rock'n roll 9.Burnin' for you 10.Joan Crawford 11.Born to be wild 12.Don't fear the reaper 13.Roadhouse Blues Two live Shows from the east and west coasts of America. Disc one recorded inNew York in 1981 on the"Fire of Unknown Origin" Tour. Disc two recorded in Pasadena, California in 1983 on a tour that pre-empted the release of the bands 9th album "The Revolution By Night" in 1983. The New York show features 4 tracks from "Fire" aswell as showstoppers from "Agents of Fortune,"Tyranny and Mutation" "Secret Treaties" "Mirrors" and "Spectres". The Pasadena show features a wealth of earlier material such as Stairway to the Stars, Before the Kiss a Red Cap, and Workshop of the Telescope aswell as "Don't fear the Reaper!!!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: Re: BOC: New dbl CD > is this 'official' (i think everybody here knows what that means...) or a > boot? > bobm From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 4 15:18:28 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:18:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: official ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: Re: BOC: New dbl CD > is this 'official' (i think everybody here knows what that means...) or a > boot? > bobm From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Oct 4 17:33:54 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:33:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spaceflight Now | Gemini Observatory captures 'perfection' with early image Message-ID: It's not Spiral Galaxy 28948 but it's still pretty cool: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0110/03gemini/ -- "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Gandhi From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 4 18:06:23 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:06:23 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Update Message-ID: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: STAR WARRIORS+++ Please log on to Mission Control for latest RFH updates: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MISSION ENDS :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 4 21:02:11 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:02:11 EDT Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: Some news for everyone. Up on www.hawkwind.com you'll find: At the request of Dave Brock, Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick, Huw Lloyd Langton and Simon House, this site has now been closed. Thanks for all your support over the years. The Star Rats From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 4 21:10:26 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:10:26 EDT Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: 'official'...then why does the fan club/official site not acknowledge it? 'official' like most of the skydog, or reciever, stuff; as in: legal in the country of manufacture, but completely unauthorized by any copyright holders, no doubt. of course i'm speculating. but if that's correct, it's perhaps not a boot, but it ain't 'official', either. bobm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 5 01:10:33 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:10:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul II review/photos Message-ID: Hey there... For anyone interested (and can read German), there's a nice review and photo gallery of the Kloster Cornberg fest (ADII, Kraan, Damo Suzuki, Man, etc.) a couple months' back at this URL... http://www.germanrock.de/zeitung/sonderausgabe_2/cornberg_2001/index.htm If anyone can tell me if there's anything important in that text, I'd appreciate knowing what it is. Like new studio album, CD release of this concert, more touring/shows, John Weinzierl rejoining, whatever it might say. Grakkl (FAA) From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Fri Oct 5 02:18:34 2001 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:18:34 +1000 Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends Message-ID: Hi checking one of our local(Melbourne) record stores, I came across this :- http://www.gaslight.com.au/shop/product.asp?productID=751895 >From looking at the cover it seems to be the Live Legends on DVD - zone 4. Is this what has been released in the UK ? regards Marty From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 5 04:44:36 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:44:36 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Friedman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone > Some news for everyone. Up on www.hawkwind.com you'll find: > > At the request of Dave Brock, Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick, Huw Lloyd Langton > and Simon House, this site has now been closed. > Thanks for all your support over the years. > The Star Rats > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Oct 5 04:47:42 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:47:42 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: Chris Allen wrote: > I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? Hey Chris, Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: http://www.hawkwind.org.uk Keef From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Oct 5 05:25:39 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:25:39 +0100 Subject: Rare HW collectible on very public display Message-ID: Not sure where though... We had new windows put in on Wednesday - very windy day, and when they took out the old upstairs windows there was a strong wind blowing right through the house. Unfortunately all the work being done up there meant I didn't go into the music room until the next day - when I found that my ultra-rare early 70's record store promotional large (14 by 20 inch, but very light) 3D Doremi shield that I've had for the last 25 years and 3 house moves and will probably never be able to replace - has gone. It was windy all day, so it's probably halfway across the North Sea by now. Scandinavian Hawkfans, watch the skies! - this might be your only chance to see one. It's probably a good thing that I haven't got my tickets for Newcastle yet - if I had, knowing my luck they'd have blown away too. -- David Blair www.serendipity.clara.net From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 5 06:48:10 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:48:10 -0600 Subject: Rare HW collectible on very public display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am sending you my best mental concentration that it is around the corner and will return I have lost quite a few terrible rarities under stupid and bad circumstances I truly hope it is miraculously in the exact condition and reappears where you don't expect it, maybe it has been dormant and has "come to life" and will promote Hawkwind in a most strange but extremely effective manner.... I am trying to teach myself that "I can't take it with me", after a friend who's life won't be too long asked me the other day, "what are you gonna do with that stuff"...... don't worry though Hawkwind, I'm too addicted.......more more more...... plans must be formed uses carefully laid out in intricate planning... a mike From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 5 07:11:11 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:11:11 -0600 Subject: Rare HW collectible on very public display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really, really, really, really, really, really, want you to get your Doremi Promo back I would love to see a scan if it does, but this has nothing to do with the sadness...... at least you have a 25 year memory that's a long time also, whenever I screw something up trying to make it mint again (and have succeeded many times, I must add) (as well as failed miserably of course and felt the heavy hand of terrible loss as well as EXTREME guilt) I go in search of another copy, and while I often don't find what I was trying to replace, I seem to be given access to tons of other things that are just as good, even better, or just mass quantity of cool gear.....then I find better copies of what I had originally later on, sometimes superior to the lost article.... anybody got the original 'Warrior' record shop display (the large one of the Alien Warrior(s) stand-up(s)?????) scan??? anyway, I hope it's stuck on the neighbors clothesline....... ps- screwed up Hawkwind stuff has caused me to remain in bed ill for weeks, and is privately a reason why I haven't sent out stuff, etc. it's so sick...... The man who "couldn't handle" Hawkwind addiction.... From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Oct 5 06:32:37 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:32:37 +0100 Subject: Rare HW collectible on very public display Message-ID: mike c wrote: > I truly hope it is miraculously in the exact condition and reappears where > you don't expect it, maybe it has been dormant and has "come to life" and > will promote Hawkwind in a most strange but extremely effective manner.... Sorry to hear of your loss David, maybe this'll cheer you up: NEWS JUST IN: In the early hours of Friday 5th October 2001 an object was recorded on radar at RAF Watton in Norfolk. It was heading over the North Sea towards Suffolk. The object disappeared from radar around Rendlesham Forest which is situated between RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters. At around the same time a security patrol at RAF Woodbridge saw what looked like something come down in the forest. They requested permission to go outside the base and investigate. Three patrolmen were allowed to go outside and investigate on foot. The patrolmen reported finding a rectangular metallic object, approximately 0.25 meters wide and 0.5 meters high. It emitted a silvery light which "lit the forest" and had the word "Hawkwind" on top and a cluster of greenish lights underneath. The patrolmen were unsure whether the object was hovering or simply "dancing to the wind" but they did notice a strange antiseptic smell. The object moved away from the advancing patrolmen and caused animals in a nearby farm to go into a frenzy. The same object was later seen near the gate to the base emitting a strange whirring noise. Upon investigation three impressions were found where the object had been sighted. They were around 1 1/2 inches deep and 7 inches across, spelling out the words "Doremi" "Faso" and "Latido". From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 5 07:13:55 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 07:13:55 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:44:36 +0100, Chris Allen wrote: >I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > Pure speculation on my part, but I'd guess it's because the band are keen to have www.hawkwind.org.uk as THE internet source for HW info. The .com site had info on Nik's activities too, and it's clear from the latest updates on .org.uk that Brock and co are determined to put very clear water between themselves and Nik's "ex-Hawks" shenanigans. Nick M From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 4 16:49:36 2001 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:49:36 +0100 Subject: Robert Ashcroft's letter and feedback on it Message-ID: Hi All, My point, as picked up by some people, is that the US is not, was not, never will be the Utopian paradise for all that it was portrayed as in the letter which was posted on this list, which was kind of borne out by the utterly xenophobic reaction of this respondent (from the US, I guess- the email address seems to be Syracuse University?): " From: Ted Jackson > Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - Robert Ashcroft's letter > > On 3 Oct 2001, at 15:27, dave evans wrote: > > > re " The U.S. was the first country born out of the Enlightenment" > > > > which would never have happened without Arabic science, btw > > So I guess you've already booked your one-way ticket to the Middle East?" Reminds me of the early 80s in England; any expressions of interest in Socialism were countered with cries of "well go to Russia then". Sad. and yes, it is way off topic; so put it somewhere else, not here- and on a list about the Hawks, which in Calvert's time especially were lyrically scathing about them folks over the pond, it seems a very strange place to post it. Personally I'm more pissed off that my continuing ambitions to see **more** of the middle, near and far east are going to be delayed by this than just about anything else; considerably more people die each year in the various famine and flood hotspots of the world; most of which can also be causally linked to man's involvement/interference/stupidity/warmongering, and a lot of the West doesn't even notice. This New York thing happened live on TV, in the richest country in the world, with the best technology to save the survivors, so are we supposed to care *more*, less , or the same? and as for the philanthropic rebuilding of conquered places so they were stronger than before their invasions, i guess the inhabitants of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki etc would have preferred things the way they were? Anyway; this is miles off list......... I can't get to the gigs next week so i look forward to reading about them here, and politics ***elsewhere*** yeah? thanks dave From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 5 08:34:37 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:34:37 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! Message-ID: While this posting is BOC-related, it is relevant for anyone who wants to see an incredibly patriotic (U.S. patriotic, that is) video. A BOC fan who is a professional photographer/videographer has created an incredible video for BOC's "Divine Wind". As most of you (BOC fans anyway) know, this song was released back in 1980 as a statement against the Iranian hostage situation - the song's signature line is "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell." Many BOC fans have noted the appropriateness of this song in the wake of the events of September 11th. Go to www.blueoystercult.com and look for the pop-up window that contains a link to this incredible video. While it is obviously very "anti Bin Laden", you will also see vivid examples of American patriotism in the wake of what has happend. I'm not doing this to either promote this fan's work, or even to promote BOC - I'm doing this because I have found it very moving, and very reflective of my emotions over the past few weeks. There are a few formats of the video on the website - the Quicktime version is 25 MB long, so if you only have a 56K modem (like I did at home), plan on a few hours to download (but well worth it). John From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Fri Oct 5 09:18:26 2001 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:18:26 +0200 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: <200110051113.HAA03787@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Please Nick, excuse my poor englis, but what is a "shenanigan"? And secondly are we going to have a "Brock, House, lloyd langton, etc.." band like it happened with "Anderson,Bruford, Wakeman, et al..." Olivier www.bwaje.com/hawkzone/ At 07:13 05/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:44:36 +0100, Chris Allen >wrote: > > >I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > > > >Pure speculation on my part, but I'd guess it's because the band are keen >to have www.hawkwind.org.uk as THE internet source for HW info. The .com >site had info on Nik's activities too, and it's clear from the latest >updates on .org.uk that Brock and co are determined to put very clear water >between themselves and Nik's "ex-Hawks" shenanigans. > >Nick M Olivier Boigey 35 rue Navier 75017 Paris Tel : 06 68 22 67 67 From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 09:19:48 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:19:48 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20011005151503.00a67e88@pop.bwaje.com> Message-ID: > Please Nick, excuse my poor englis, but what is a "shenanigan"? "Conneries," a peu pres :) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 5 12:20:32 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:20:32 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: <3BBD73AE.14C3D85C@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: At 9:47 +0100 05.10.2001, Keith Barton wrote: >Chris Allen wrote: >> I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > >Hey Chris, >Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: >http://www.hawkwind.org.uk Yeah, but Mission Control is difficult to navigate and usually crashes my browser! :P :( Cheers, Carl From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 5 12:28:37 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:28:37 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At 9:47 +0100 05.10.2001, Keith Barton wrote: > >Chris Allen wrote: > >> I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > > > >Hey Chris, > >Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: > >http://www.hawkwind.org.uk > > Yeah, but Mission Control is difficult to navigate and usually > crashes my browser! :P :( Try http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm Works with every browser I have access to, including the more easy to access ones I have, that is lynx and w3m on chiark/the boyfriend's machine. -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Nick Cave - In the Ghetto nina mashine fedha From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Fri Oct 5 12:26:28 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:26:28 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: I have problems with mission control as well, plus I liked the interviews page that was at hawkwind.com and was really looking forward to reading the upcoming interview with Simon House. Anyone know if this interview will still be published somewhere? >>> Carl Edlund Anderson 10/05/01 11:20AM >>> At 9:47 +0100 05.10.2001, Keith Barton wrote: >Chris Allen wrote: >> I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > >Hey Chris, >Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: >http://www.hawkwind.org.uk Yeah, but Mission Control is difficult to navigate and usually crashes my browser! :P :( Cheers, Carl From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Oct 5 12:33:12 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:33:12 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone : :At 9:47 +0100 05.10.2001, Keith Barton wrote: :>Chris Allen wrote: :>> I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? :> :>Hey Chris, :>Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: :>http://www.hawkwind.org.uk : :Yeah, but Mission Control is difficult to navigate and usually :crashes my browser! :P :( Rik's been quite good about sending direct URLs though...so you don't have to go through the javascript fun in order to get to individual pages. ...and I've been able to use Lynx (yay text based browsers) to navigate the site successfully (well, sans pictures ;-) ) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Fri Oct 5 13:51:44 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:51:44 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: Yeah, Mission Control doesn't really seem to work that well under IE. I always have to use Netscape if I want to view it, which sucks, since that's the only reason I have Netscape on my computer at all. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > I have problems with mission control as well, plus I liked the interviews page that was at hawkwind.com and was really looking forward to reading the upcoming interview with Simon House. Anyone know if this interview will still be published somewhere? > > >>> Carl Edlund Anderson 10/05/01 11:20AM >>> > At 9:47 +0100 05.10.2001, Keith Barton wrote: > >Chris Allen wrote: > >> I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > > > >Hey Chris, > >Why not visit the *official* Hawkwind website: > >http://www.hawkwind.org.uk > > Yeah, but Mission Control is difficult to navigate and usually > crashes my browser! :P :( > > Cheers, > Carl From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Oct 5 13:58:53 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:58:53 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: My take on this, supplementary to Nick's point about Mission Control being *the* official HW site.... www.hawkwind.com seemed to be owned by Doug Smith and I get the impression that he and the band are not on good terms at the moment. I'm sure this is also why the Emergency Broadcast System label seems to have ground to a halt, i.e. maybe it was set up by Doug Smith. As to the curious wording ("At the request of Dave Brock, Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick, Huw Lloyd Langton and Simon House, this site has now been closed.")... Well, that is of course the current memebership of Hawkwind, but when stated in this way avoids saying that Hawkwind consists of those people (and therefore, not any of Nik's alt.hawk crew). Wheels within wheels. I'm with the Captain, regardless. Hawkwind is Dave Brock and Dave Brock is Hawkwind, no matter what anyone else says or does to the contrary, IMHO! Moonglum ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:44:36 +0100, Chris Allen wrote: >I probably just haven't been keeping up, but....why close this site? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eli Friedman" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:02 AM >Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone > > >> Some news for everyone. Up on www.hawkwind.com you'll find: >> >> At the request of Dave Brock, Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick, Huw Lloyd >Langton >> and Simon House, this site has now been closed. >> Thanks for all your support over the years. >> The Star Rats >> From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 5 16:27:52 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:27:52 -0600 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: <200110051758.NAA05612@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: EBS is owned by Doug Smith and I was going to bring this point up, but decided against it Star Rats was affiliated to him if there is a war there, somebody else can say- or not say- on off. on off. on off off off on off on on on off off who knows? Just follow that Dave through the maze .......look! he wen't that way- over there! m From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Oct 5 16:05:30 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:05:30 -0500 Subject: irc chat now Message-ID: Hiya folks, Dave is online now on the irc channel #hawkwind.org.uk on dal.net if folks want to talk about hawkwind.com Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 5 16:36:46 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:36:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: >'official'...then why does the fan club/official site not acknowledge it? >'official' like most of the skydog, or reciever, stuff; as in: legal in the country of manufacture, but completely unauthorized by any copyright holders, no doubt. of course i'm speculating. but if that's correct, it's perhaps not a boot, but it ain't 'official', either. >bobm I just saw it here today, in a major French record store. That's official enough for me. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Fri Oct 5 16:02:16 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:02:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock live on IRC Message-ID: Hello Folks, Dave Brock is about to go live online at IRC Mission Control online to answere any queries you may have about Hawkwind.com Sorry about the short notice :-) From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR Fri Oct 5 16:45:59 2001 From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:45:59 +0200 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <3BBDA8DD.51FBB911@mitre.org> Message-ID: First let me say that I'm a true BOC fan. But I hate this video! I am not american - I'm french. I feel that this video is the exact type of thing that a lot of European people fear from America. I am very sorry for all the people who died in the WTC. I hate what the terrorists and the states that help them did. But the last thing we need now is violence as a reply to violence. War as a response to terrorism. This video is racist and dangerous. Such an amalgam. All Muslims are not extremists. Just as all Americans are not KKK. We are happily surprised here that Mr. Bush seems to take his time to take his time. We didn't know he was even able to think! I thought that the US would bomb Afghanistan and call for a war against Muslims. I am glad that it looks like things to come will be a little more subtle. Looks like America is just discovering the role of dirty money (for example in the Bahamas) and that you knew it, that ultra liberalism is over (the state is now helping the airlines), that not every people in this world loves America and some have good reasons to (remember Chile in 73, current embargo in Cuba, Bhopal, etc...). These towers were beautiful, but so arrogant. They symbolized the power of finance that ruled the planet until now. Millions of people around the world are starving, millions of sq meters of forests are dying, millions of people are slaves because of what was decided by innocent people that worked in these towers. Think! I don't remember to see a video like this one about children dying in Iraq because of the US embargo. This is not the list to talk about this. But this was too much for me! Sorry for my english! Jean-Charles Moriaud From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Fri Oct 5 16:54:52 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:54:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind.com domain Message-ID: Right! We would like to point out that we DID NOT stop the Welcome to the Future site. All we did was ask for the domain Hawkwind.com to be returned to us as the OFFICIAL HAWKWIND WEBSITE. We offered to work with them and link to them, this unfortunately was not acceptable to them and they took it off in a fit of pique ( otherwise known as a petulant tantrum) Yours Hawkwind From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Oct 5 17:14:36 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:14:36 -0500 Subject: HW: irc chat transcript Message-ID: ...well, Rik is putting up the official one on www.hawkwind.org.uk, but here is the dirty transcript of the irc chat just now, in case anyone wants to see it... Arin (begin transcript) > so will you folks be reclaiming the domain name for hawkwind.com? so... www.hawkwind.com? was it because you wanted mission control to be THE site? or have you just answered this while i was disconnected? ok arin > my message came through on the yahoogroups list. boc-l is being a bit slow, though. We are saying that Mission Control is the official page, we did not want to stop Welcome to the Future site, just asked them to return domain Hawkwind.com to us and rename thier site *** Guest48684 (gwion at m521-mp1-cvx1a.man.ntl.com) has joined channel #hawkwind.org.uk > tom -- we are talking about hawkwind.com They refused to hand it over and closed their site hi all yeah that seems fair enough *** Guest48684 is now known as gwion] hi tom *** gwion] is now known as gwion oh yes? > Dave -- I think that is a wise choice. Particularly since you have a much better claim for the domain name. *** MrJolly (~user at pc-62-30-175-33-en.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined channel #hawkwind.org.uk Their site is mainly dealing with EBS records, and past members activities, they have no direct line to the current band or what the current band are doing who's they? > ...and despite reasonable attempts at publicity, most folk still look to a .com name first rather than a .org it seems that by closing the site they are trying to make you look like the bad guys hello Arin, Nick, Dave & MrJolly > at least, in the announcement that went out over the mailing lists. Yes, this seems to be their attitude > ...but you folks have the legitimate claim! it doesn't make you the bad guys here. At the moment there are things being endorced by this site that Hawkwind do not want anything to do with > Will you be releasing something official to present your side of things? never a dull moment in the great Hawkwind intergalactic soap opera!! Unfortunatelly they are using the band's name for their own greedy purposes yes the Greasy truckers thing, that event looks dodgy as hell I've justlooked - rather a short and to the point message > very dodgy. God only knows who is going to end up performing at the greasy truckers thing. > I believe that there is now a precedent for reclaiming hawkwind.com in the courts if necessary. It is advertised as the Hawkestra, which gives the impression of being Hawkwind endorsed which it is not. advertised as "members of the hawkestra" Yes we will reclaim domain name through the courts if necessary I saw them in Blackpool they also still have the Deviants on the fliers, despite Mick Farren saying they won't be there The date is the same and a cd & vid will be released which we believe will be misleading I had no problem finding a seat well they have used all sorts of things to try to make it look official- i got aflier in the post saying "there are now 2 bands called hawkwind"!! Could you send us that flier asap either by email or to po box Do you have "Hawkwind" registered as a trademark? easy to get the domain if you do.. yeah no problem, i can send it- it will piss you off though.. it pissed me off what is the p.o.box address? i don't have a scanner to email it send it by email if poss tonight, it will be at lawyers by tomorrow! PO box 28 Honiton, E. Devon EX14 8AP !! if i had a scanner i would, i will send it by snail mail tonight ok will send there > nick: most copy shops have scanners and whatnot. You could probably scan it there and then email it.... so are you actively engaged in legal action already then? Yes we are yes i can try that tomorrow arin, that's a good idea well good luck with the legal fight! > it's easier for those of us online to keep track of current hawkwind stuff. I can certainly see how the false advertising can muddy the waters significantly for others. > welcome flymo. we are chatting about hawkwind.com We are pissed off with all the stuff going on, misrepresentation, imposters, shadey mail order schemes, and people trying to make a quick profit on the back of all the hard work that we do.......Now it has to stop and we are taking action! > is there anything that we can do to help? Other than try to get out correct information? Ormuzd, could you let us know what date flier was sent? Hi *** alienimages (hawkwind at 12.23.139.97.dul.nc.chartermi.net) has joined channel #hawkwind.org.uk Greetings :) > welcome alienimages. We are chatting about hawkwind.com now. Yes, united we stand....keep eyes and ears open and support the true Hawkwind! i'm just looking at it now Hawkpeople... it doesn't have a date but i got it about a month ago > nick: does it have a date from the postmark? i can send you another one i was given at the Orb/Gong show last week too, alythough on that one it says "Hawkestra" didn't save the envelope arin! i am an avid recycler! so good reasons for not saving this stuff andy garibaldi could tell you when it was sent out Yes please send that one as well, they try to keep this stuff away from us 1L 2a 3u 4 5g 6h 7s 9O 8u 10t 13L 14o 15u 12d yup no problem > perhaps someone else on the list has a postmark date. > welcome back tom. i'm sure quite afew people on the list will have receieved this stuff, yes > well, we can inquire. thanks Arin - tried to run too much at once there > nick: what does the flyer say? on a happier note, can i ask if you were surprised to be asked to play the RFH? Personally i was amazed that they were putting on a series of psychedelic nights. Seeing Gong and the Hawks at the RFH was not something i ever expected! Well we are off now, hope this gave you a bit of an insight to what is happening, we will arrange an official chat early next week with some other band members arin- i will get it scanned somehow and email it to you as well to satisfy your curiosity! Sorry about the nick spam. Blink seems to be a registered nick on this server. :( I think I'll go and see the SF Sorrow night there - I bought that LP 30 years ago > well, thank you for stopping by and chatting with us. Yes it is nice to be asked to play there as I have never performed there before. I did play at the Albert Hall on the Buskers tour many years ago haha 1L 2a 3u 4 5g 6h 7s 9O 8u 10t 13L 14o 15u 12d possibly before i was born dave... > thanks nick. *** ^HawkBot^ (xxx at star-pix.demon.co.uk) has joined channel #Hawkwind.org.uk <^HawkBot^> hey hi rik <^HawkBot^> hey all <^HawkBot^> val here too I saw Calvert next door at the Queen Elizabeth Hall.. that was sreal.. sureal too.. :) evening * ArinK is jealous if everyone getting to go to RFH. Not in the cards for me, alas. yeah? the gig that was made into the live album? yes he did 2 sets.. the one on the album & one of all HW material I remember seeing Hawkwind at the St David's Hall in Cardiff in 1983 - that normally hosts opera Have you got the Trevor Hughs, Bob Calvert Frendz issue with poems and stories etc? arin you are coming to the UK fairly soon though, yes? I thought the show WAS the albert hall. Opps. How far away is the RTH. Never been there > yes, i'll be over in november I saw Wagner's Valkyrie there the week after RFH is on the south bank, nearest tube is embankment don't go the albert hall flmo, you might be disappointed!! Cool. That`s actually easier for me. Good job I found out!!! ihaven't got that comic- anyone got it? <^HawkBot^> the museum of the moving image is there too I would have too. Never checked the tickets! > has anyone scanned in those issues of Frendz? and the salvador dali museum is nearby... highly recommended! and a huge pizza express.. sorted. :) Did you all know that Mike Moorcock will be making his live telephone appearance from Texas <^HawkBot^> and the london eye there's aguy on the lsit who has a comics site and he's scanned in some hawk-related stuff from frendz there you are - a whole day out hooray for Mike M what's he going to do? > cool! that worked out very well the last time Mike called over... he was ace at the astoria gig- that was the best Sonic Attack i ever heard you guys play I wish. Been meaning to see the Dali for ages but won`t finish work in time :( 12Bye-Bye 4 ormuzd, MrJolly, gwion, flymo, alienimages, ^HawkBot^, ArinK! Yeah, must go and mail Mike now and find out..........bye all tom- Gong were on cracking form at the RFH the otehr night, i think i'm gonna try to make it up for the Nottingham gig Be well, Hawkperson :) bye hawks! take care <^HawkBot^> ? good night, Dave <^HawkBot^> -=? 13Hawkperson ?=-: arly night eh? <^HawkBot^> where'd my e go? *** Signoff: Hawkperson (Quit: Space Is Deep.. h?WK?????t) (end transcript) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 5 18:08:43 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:43 -0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: bwaje wrote: > > Please Nick, excuse my poor englis, but what is a "shenanigan"? Why,the opposite sex to a` henanigan',of course... tim From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 5 18:19:06 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:19:06 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <001601c14dde$be937da0$3027e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: >First let me say that I'm a true BOC fan. But I hate this video! > >I am not american - I'm french. I feel that this video is the exact type >of thing that a lot of European people fear from America. I am very >sorry for all the people who died in the WTC. I hate what the terrorists >and the states that help them did. But the last thing we need now is >violence as a reply to violence. War as a response to terrorism. This >video is racist and dangerous. Such an amalgam. All Muslims are not >extremists. Just as all Americans are not KKK. And all extremists may not be terrorists but all terrorists ARE extremists aren't they? Doesn't this kind of action seem wrong even if it was effective, which I don't think it is. The only bullies who are successful are the really strong ones. But the bigger they are the harder they fall. >These towers were beautiful, but so arrogant. They symbolized the power >of finance that ruled the planet until now. Millions of people around >the world are starving, millions of sq meters of forests are dying, >millions of people are slaves because of what was decided by innocent >people that worked in these towers. Think! > >I don't remember to see a video like this one about children dying in >Iraq because of the US embargo. Now maybe there is no moral high ground here but it seems to me that killing innocent people is wrong and taking your own life in the process is even more wrong. I'm sorry but I'm not getting this blame the victim line of argument here. Nobody's perfect but I suppose next you'll be spouting this nonsense that the Israelis are terrorists too. Repressive maybe, but not terrorists. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 5 18:16:37 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:16:37 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! Message-ID: spoken like a true frenchman...take that as you will tim Jean-Charles Moriaud wrote: > > First let me say that I'm a true BOC fan. But I hate this video! > > I am not american - I'm french. I feel that this video is the exact type > of thing that a lot of European people fear from America. I am very > sorry for all the people who died in the WTC. I hate what the terrorists > and the states that help them did. But the last thing we need now is > violence as a reply to violence. War as a response to terrorism. This > video is racist and dangerous. Such an amalgam. All Muslims are not > extremists. Just as all Americans are not KKK. > > We are happily surprised here that Mr. Bush seems to take his time to > take his time. We didn't know he was even able to think! I thought that > the US would bomb Afghanistan and call for a war against Muslims. I am > glad that it looks like things to come will be a little more subtle. > Looks like America is just discovering the role of dirty money (for > example in the Bahamas) and that you knew it, that ultra liberalism is > over (the state is now helping the airlines), that not every people in > this world loves America and some have good reasons to (remember Chile > in 73, current embargo in Cuba, Bhopal, etc...). > > These towers were beautiful, but so arrogant. They symbolized the power > of finance that ruled the planet until now. Millions of people around > the world are starving, millions of sq meters of forests are dying, > millions of people are slaves because of what was decided by innocent > people that worked in these towers. Think! > > I don't remember to see a video like this one about children dying in > Iraq because of the US embargo. > > This is not the list to talk about this. But this was too much for me! > > Sorry for my english! > > Jean-Charles Moriaud From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 5 18:42:48 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:42:48 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: The Surgeons in Raleigh In-Reply-To: <518ECB498B81754EA93EE1DF5CD8C492035F66F6@sdfy2.dfa.state.ny.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Scruton, Jason wrote: > I wonder if they would have better luck getting a gig in Mass. version of > liberal college's Mecca and Medina: Amherst and Northampton -- the Iron > Horse is a cool place as a venue itself and for its acts. The Bevis Frond (a > great gig that! did "Godspeed you to Earth" w/a wonderful heavy jam ending) > and Robert Fripp have played there (separately). I've seen them do that ending too and it *is* great. > Of course, you could always have tBS operate in the manner of the > Steppenwolf album title, "The Brain Surgeons at Your Birthday Party" heh. I'm still trying to get to the state where I have enough money (mine or someone else's) to be able to see how serious Al was when he said tBS would come to the UK if someone paid the airfares... > What is probably one of the best things about the Surgeons is that they are > very willing to shuffle setlists around each tour/gig. Seriously, who would > have thought they'd do an SFG tune! Hmm. Maybe this is just too sneaky but I remember that shortly before that someone posted an AOL chat with Eric and Buck to the list in which Eric said they were considering working one of the old tunes up (I shout for `Donovan's Monkey' :-)), which of course so far they haven't done. I just wonder if Al saw that and decided he'd beat them to it. If you were going to do that of course, you'd kind of have to pick the one that BOC had used for the title of the last album but which isn't on it, now, wouldn't you? I still can't figure out how to arrange CotHM for a three-piece anyway. I can't see how it works without both piano and guitar lines. I have too little imagination and no chance to see tBS do it :-( Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _Camembert Electrique_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 5 19:09:37 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:09:37 EDT Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: well im sure it ain't official enough for the guys in the band who don't make a cent off of it. and 'official in france' doesn't mean 'official in countries where it's not...official'. but that's just my opinion bobm From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 5 19:47:08 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:47:08 +0100 Subject: THE GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY 2001 London Astoria oct 21 new update Message-ID: The Deviants airfare problem is in the process of being sorted out - one way or the other! THE GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY 2001 - oct 21 London Astoria HAWKESTRA LINE-UP The Mighty Thunder Rider (Nik Turner) Dik Mik Terry Ollis Del Dettmar Thomas Crimble Steve Swindells Dave Anderson Mik Slattery The Calverts Ron Tree Martin Griffin Adrian Shaw Captain Rizz Jerry Richards invited, but yet to be confirmed... Lemmy - Paul Rudolf - Alan Powell - - Mik Moorcock - Danny Thompson Andy Dunkley (the original DJ) INNER CITY UNIT LINE-UP The Mighty Thunder Rider - Nik Turner Judge Trev Dino Ferari Dead Fred Steve Pond Nazzer The Havant Saxophone and Clarinet Choir !!! Truckers Party bookings: 0207 771 2000 See Lord Litter's Radio Malibu "top links": http://www.lordlitter.de/base.html Also see: R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Fri Oct 5 20:53:10 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:53:10 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <001601c14dde$be937da0$3027e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Jean-Charles Moriaud wrote: >First let me say that I'm a true BOC fan. But I hate this video! I have a problem with it, too. I was pretty much OK with it until one of the last images. >This video is racist and dangerous. Such an amalgam. All Muslims are not >extremists. Just as all Americans are not KKK. I didn't see anything in the video that suggested that. There are extremists, and they have staged such protests. Did I miss something about attacking Muslims who were going about peaceful pursuits? >We are happily surprised here that Mr. Bush seems to take his time to >take his time. We didn't know he was even able to think! I thought that >the US would bomb Afghanistan and call for a war against Muslims. IOW, you assumed we are virulent racists. >I am glad that it looks like things to come will be a little more subtle. Again, you're making assumptions. There will be military action. But it will be a part of a multi-pronged effort. Chasing the money without going in after the ringleaders would be no different from leaving the second Gulf War unfinished and praying that an embargo would bring down the Iraqi government. But taking down bin Laden and most of his lieutenants will mean nothing if we can't cut off the money. Dubya may not be a seasoned diplomat, but he has several by his side as advisors. And he is smart enough to listen to them. >These towers were beautiful, but so arrogant. Ah. Then these days, the world's most arrogant people would be the Malaysians, yes? >They symbolized the power >of finance that ruled the planet until now. Millions of people around >the world are starving, millions of sq meters of forests are dying, >millions of people are slaves because of what was decided by innocent >people that worked in these towers. Think! You're sounding dangerously like Jerry Falwell, now. This violence is our fault? Perhaps we should go a little further back into history. It's very easy to make an equally valid argument that all the things you are complaining about are the legacy of British and French colonialism. >I don't remember to see a video like this one about children dying in >Iraq because of the US embargo. US embargo? Check your history. It was our Coalition partners who insisted that we stop our military offensive short of Baghdad. Bush Sr. took a lot of heat here for not finishing the job when he had the chance. BTW, the embargo was supposed to have provisions for getting food and medicines into Iraq. Guess who isn't interested in getting those supplies to the people who need them? I'll tell you what Dubya's rhetoric sounds like here. We're not going to toy with these people any longer. We're not going to play the restrained, benign giant any longer. And we're through fighting our battles through proxies. And most of all, we're done with depending on other nations to make our decisions for us. Yes, we're coalition-building again. But we'll go it alone if we have to. Either way, this time we're finishing the job. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. - Woodrow Wilson, War Messages, 2 April 1917 From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 5 21:03:21 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:03:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Bridgett photo Message-ID: Someone, somewhere, somewhen, asked for pictures of Bridgett Wishart. If anyone knows/remembers who it was, tell them to look at www.pipeline.com/~stemfors/bw.jpg where I've put one up temporarily. Stephan (working late) From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Fri Oct 5 21:14:01 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:14:01 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <001601c14dde$be937da0$3027e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: Drivel deleted... > This is not the list to talk about this. But this was too much for me! > > Sorry for my english! > > Jean-Charles Moriaud > Then unsubscribe... I think the video was F*CKING GREAT and so has everyone else that I have shared it with. Kudos to the band and the film-maker! NP: Redshift / Ether. Track "Bombers In The Desert". Really. Ship From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 21:20:22 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:20:22 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind.com domain In-Reply-To: <004101c14ddf$fd5c1280$e49493c3@default> Message-ID: Yeah, well. -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of XXX > Sent: 05 October 2001 21:55 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Hawkwind.com domain > > > Right! > > We would like to point out that we DID NOT stop the Welcome to > the Future site. > > All we did was ask for the domain Hawkwind.com to be returned to > us as the OFFICIAL HAWKWIND WEBSITE. > > We offered to work with them and link to them, this unfortunately > was not acceptable to them and they took it off in a fit of pique > ( otherwise known as a petulant tantrum) > > > Yours Hawkwind > > From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 21:24:07 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:24:07 +0100 Subject: FW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: Yeah, Dave was really keen to work with me and Doug. "Fit of pique" my arse. -- Andy www.andygilham.com -----Original Message----- From: XXX [mailto:boclist at hwind.globalnet.co.uk] Sent: 04 October 2001 12:20 To: email at andygilham.com Subject: Fw: Hawkwind domain To Andy Gilham Webmaster www.hawkwind.com CC. Doug Smith 4th Oct 2001 We write in relation to the use and operation of the Internet Domain www.hawkwind.com It is our contention that ?Hawkwind? is a long founded, well-established, and universally recognised branding mark of the music group ?Hawkwind?. It is further argued that to avoid misuse, profiteering and deliberate misrepresentation, any and all usage of such a trademark should be strictly controlled by, and expressly limited to, ?Hawkwind? as the recognised ?owners? of the mark, unless express written permissions are granted by the band, or their officially authorised agents. We recognise that the Internet domain www.hawkwind.com has for some time been operated by yourselves as a resource database for fans of the group. However, while this situation has to a degree been tolerated for an extended period, please note that at no time has any form of permission been given, either directly or by inference, to agree the usage of the Hawkwind brand name in this manner. Furthermore, no permissions have ever been sought, or issued, to agree to the proclamation clearly indicated on your site banners that it is ?the official Hawkwind website?. Additionally, no further agreement has ever been made for your site to act as an officially sanctioned outlet for news, information and opinions on our behalf. We strongly contend that the latter situation is both confusing and extremely misleading to visitors of your site, and may well prove potentially damaging to the group, particularly as there appears to be a growing degree of content within your pages that is, in our opinion, not in the band?s best interests. Of particular concern are items such as numerous references to illegal ?bootleg? material as well as certain ?spin-off? bands that are clearly profiteering by the usage our name. We wish to make it clear that we totally object to being misrepresented in this manner, especially as we have no form of control over such misleading content. At the time of writing, there are many sensitive issues contained within your pages that may impact to varying degrees on currently ongoing, or possible future court actions. Furthermore, due to a combination of your site?s high-level .com status and your clearly misleading declaration of being the ?official? Hawkwind website, most of your site visitors and linked WebPages are mistakenly under the impression that all of the material contained on your pages contains views, opinions, data and information that has been officially sanctioned by us, which has certainly never been the case. Permission for the inclusion and use of copyright graphics, pictures, lyrics and other associated material has also never been sought or granted at any stage, and we ask that you immediately remove all material that may be in breach of such a copyright. Given the detail outlined above, and to protect our future interests, we now intend to exercise our right in Law to lay claim to any top-level internet domains using the Hawkwind branding mark which contain any content relating to the activities if the band. We refer you to the recent ?One In A Million? case (1997), which defines the Law in where ?passing off? is proved. Please refer to; http://www.nic.uk/news/legal/oiam-judgement.html for further detail on this issue, and also the ?Pitman? case (1997) where dispute challenges were further defined; http://www.nic.uk/news/legal/pitman-judgement.html We ask that within the next ten working days, you make, and confirm in writing, all the arrangements necessary to transfer the ownership and control of the Internet domain name www.hawkwind.com to ourselves. Following your positive response, the full technical specifications of the relevant domain name servers etc. will be forwarded to assist you with the process of transfer. Note that copies of this, and all future correspondence in relation to this matter will also be forwarded to the domain registrars in accordance with their defined grievance procedure. Please note that failure to explicitly comply with the terms and conditions as outlined above will result in immediate legal action, which will not be in the best interests of either party. Yours sincerely HAWKWIND: Dave Brock Ali Davey Richard Chadwick Huw Lloyd Langton Simon House From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 21:42:45 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:42:45 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: Oh, and the .com address is owned by EBS, of which three of the five partners are Brock, Davey and Chadwick. This is such bullshit. These guys were my heroes once. I put in so much fucking work publicising the reunion, adding Hawkwind and Bedouin gigs to the gig list, doing a contemporary redesign that used Hawkwind iconography... I've always posted news to hawkwind.com just as soon as I've got it, often before .org.uk. On the morning of Sept 12, for fuck's sake, I got email from Marion with the lineup for the tour and the complete tour list, plus a Lloyd-Langton date, and I posted it all to hawkwind.com. The single reason Dave's got his panties in a bunch is that we've listed Nik's gigs. As if that's why Hawkwind's ticket sales are low. -- Andy www.andygilham.com From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 21:52:55 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:52:55 +0100 Subject: FW: Message-ID: Some mail that came into hawkwind.com... From: Sent: 13 July 2001 22:12 To: Star_rats at hawkwind.com Subject: What is this all about? It is no longer Hawkwind, but the Dave Brock groupie society........... Huh? call me old but I don't get it? I don't see it at all. From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 21:56:01 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:56:01 +0100 Subject: FW: Mission Control Message-ID: Oh, and another... (name and email deleted) Draw your own fucking conclusions. -- Andy www.andygilham.com -----Original Message----- From: Sent: 22 September 2001 07:04 To: Star_Rats at hawkwind.com Subject: Mission Control Hello: First of all I wish to thank you for the excellent site Hawkwind.com. It has proven very valuable to me, a recent Hawkwind convert. I have a question that doesn't pertain to your site, but to the Mission Control site. I click on 'Launch Console' and nothing ever happens. I assumed it had something to do with my crappy WebTv, but I tried to 'Launch Console' from 2 separate and modern computers and still nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? I would find it hard to believe that there is nothing more to that site than that single introductory page. Any help would be much appreciated. Again, thank you for the great web site. You are doing a great service for Hawkwind fans everywhere. Sincerely, np: "Alien4" ******************** ******************** In the mirrors of myth The secrets of these timeless layers unfold Their echoes in the future Traces of times past untold Is there anything left to me In this experiment with destiny --Hawkwind 1982 ____________________________________________________________ Believe. Sign up for FREE E-mail at http://www.Alienmail.com From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Oct 5 22:11:24 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:11:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind.com domain In-Reply-To: <004101c14ddf$fd5c1280$e49493c3@default> Message-ID: Oh, and it hasn't said "official Hawkwind website" for ages. It did when Dale ran it, and I kept it for a while, but it hasn't for a long while. I am so pissed off. -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of XXX > Sent: 05 October 2001 21:55 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Hawkwind.com domain > > > Right! > > We would like to point out that we DID NOT stop the Welcome to > the Future site. > > All we did was ask for the domain Hawkwind.com to be returned to > us as the OFFICIAL HAWKWIND WEBSITE. > > We offered to work with them and link to them, this unfortunately > was not acceptable to them and they took it off in a fit of pique > ( otherwise known as a petulant tantrum) > > > Yours Hawkwind > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 5 22:30:22 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:30:22 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: The Surgeons in Raleigh Message-ID: > > Hmm. Maybe this is just too sneaky but I remember that shortly >before that someone posted an AOL chat with Eric and Buck to the list in >which Eric said they were considering working one of the old tunes up (I >shout for `Donovan's Monkey' :-)), which of course so far they haven't >done. I just wonder if Al saw that and decided he'd beat them to it. If >you were going to do that of course, you'd kind of have to pick the one >that BOC had used for the title of the last album but which isn't on it, >now, wouldn't you? I didn't see Eric and Buck's comments and wasn't trying to beat them to it (wouldn't be hard now would it? as they tend to procrastinate) but yes, I thought it ironic that they picked that title and wanted folks to hear the song of the same name live. > I still can't figure out how to arrange CotHM for a three-piece >anyway. I can't see how it works without both piano and guitar lines. I >have too little imagination and no chance to see tBS do it :-( Yours, Not hard - driving rhythm guitar (a la John) simple smashing drums (a la Ringo) and some melodic motion in the bass (a la Paul) lay in a country style lead break (a la George) and you have it, perfection! Now if I could only get George and John to play at the same time. ;-) Al From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 5 22:09:02 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:09:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: Andy (Knot) Gill-cup vents the following (which immediately made me uneasy given that posting presumed 'internal' correspendence in a public forum is not always kosher, but given the peculiar claim of hawkwind.com pirating itself in some unperceivable manner that made absolutely no sense to me, I believe Andy's actions were warranted here - "let the truth be known" I think trumps the knee-jerk reaction that a major faux pas had just been committed)... >Yeah, Dave was really keen to work with me and Doug. "Fit of pique" my >arse. >To Andy Gilham >Webmaster www.hawkwind.com > >CC. Doug Smith >It is further argued that to avoid misuse, profiteering and deliberate >misrepresentation, any and all usage of such a trademark should be strictly >controlled by, and expressly limited to, 'Hawkwind' as the recognised >'owners' of the mark, unless express written permissions are granted by the >band, or their officially authorised agents. This is entirely true! Misuse and deliberate misrepresentation of the name should indeed by limited to the recognized members of Hawkwind! Well, that was sort of a joke, but really I believe that whoever is truly the author of this statement signed by the "Hawkwind Five" has an apology to make....this is pure rubbish. I'm presuming that this message was sent as a 'first contact' on the matter to Mr. Gilham, and if true I think it's way out of line. I mean, from the beginning, I had thought that www.hawkwind.com was an EBS-thing, championed by D.S./EBS and the band by association, and that Dale (StarRats I believe, though whose surname has never been known to me) was, as the original webmaster, generally an official outlet of info/news on the doings of the band as it was then. But of course, the site went inactive for quite a long time and even disappeared from view for a spell. (The fact that EBS then went into remission didn't mean to me that hawkwind.com suddenly became un-affiliated with the band...why would it?) The Mission Control site (which I think has always been a more personal connection for the fan to the West Country (Devon), but less of an 'official news' outlet) I think began around a similar time, and went equally silent for long periods of time. Again, until rebirth as hawkwind.org.uk, what, just about a year ago? So, truly for many of us, ourselves (i.e., each other) has been the main source of up-to-date info on the activities and output of the band and all its friends, enemies, and relations. And perhaps a visit to Age's site now and again. But in the two years or so, www.hawkwind.com under Andy's guidance, had indeed been an actively-updated informative site that I think all of us were glad to have in addition to our own daily correspondence. To blame him for 'advertising' shows/releases that have an obvious connection to the Hawkwind history (as recently as last October) is remarkably petty and unconstructive. I am sorry to see www.hawkwind.com go (if that's to be the case), but I can imagine that I would have done exactly the same thing if presented with this 'kind and gentle' request from the band that I'd thought I was working *for*. This is hardly the point, but I, like others have already stated, prefer an easily-navigable site without fancy-schmancy "Flashy" sh*t that plays tricks on my browser (though it didn't usually crash completely on me). It only takes one or two episodes of browser-freeze before that URL goes on my black list. www.hawkwind.com had certainly never posed a problem in that regard. And I wonder how long www.hawkwind.org.uk will remain a 'current' entity? Does anyone know who is charged with being the webmaster there? Will whoever quickly tire of keeping it up-to-date with the most recent strong statements of denial of any involvement in ? At that point, we're again just stuck with sussing it out between ourselves on boc-l then. C'mon, Dave...legal threats against one of your own supporters? Go to any CD store in the entire bloody world and take a look at the absolute rubbish residing there in the Hawkwind section (none of which you'd earn a dime from BTW) that nobody wants, and then take a peek at what CD copies of 'Quark', 'Warrior', and '25 Years On' are earning on Ebay, and then come back to me and tell me what you think the main marketing problem with Hawkwind is in 2001. (Well, same was true in 1991, so not expecting any changes soon.) Let me spell it out for you in capital letters.... THE ALBUMS EVERYBODY WANTS, NOBODY CAN GET. THE ALBUMS THAT ARE ILLEGAL AND CRAPPY, ARE EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.* If that *anybody's* fault, it ain't Andy Gilham. Maybe, Steve Swann's responsible, but that's another matter. Geez. Grakkl (FAA) Keith Henderson, if you didn't know *OK, the Voiceprint remasters reissue series was a big step in the right direction. I'll give ya' that! P.S. Oh, I didn't read much of the IRC transcript (or whatever)...was there anything important in there? Can anybody make any sense out of whatever that 'chat' thing is? I couldn't. I prefer my dialogue actually in some sense of order. From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Fri Oct 5 23:36:45 2001 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:36:45 -0400 Subject: FW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: Well, the wording used is a clear indication that a lawyer has got involved. It is hard to imagine that there hasn't been some sort of gradual escalation of tensions going on over some issues that should have been able to be worked out between friends. The wording sent to .com was inflammatory, subtle as sledgehammers. I can understand the band wishing to have control of the .com site but has the right message gone to the right person? Current Hawkwind members may have a majority of the membership of the EBS but that does not seem to be sufficient to get it to do anything. If EBS can't bring out cd's these days then getting it to organise it's web site is an unlikely proposition. Surely this is the result of a lack of communication and now a lack of willingness to communicate and cooperate between the band's camp and Doug Smith's. I think those maintaining the .com site have found themselves the target for the message which was born from frustrations with another party but which from a legal perspective must be aimed at those running the site. .com may keep people informed of the activities of ex-members who are no longer in the good books (but many of whom very very very recently were). But I would expect this of a fan site. As a Hawkwind fan I want to know about the various incarnations of Nikwind, just as I was grateful for the Dave Anderson releases (the first time around). There should be a better resolution to this than people who should be friends getting upset with each other and turning to lawyers who just make matters worse (and more expensive) this is not a fight over the vastly successful Hawkwind commercial empire, there must be better things to do with the money like maybe putting out some music and making people happy. Jeff From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Oct 6 02:49:24 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:49:24 -0700 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andy, I hear your pain. It sure would have been nice if they asked you in a less legalistic fashion. Mehinks I smell Dougie's hand in this one. However, to be honest, I am surprised they didn't ask for the domain name before now. As far as the Nik gig thing, I am not interested at all in seeing him right now, and given his shenanigans (there's that word again;) I find it hard to blame the HW crew. He sure as shit poisoned the water here in the US at some good venues by touring under a misleading name (leading one to believe - as many going to the gig did - that it was "Hawkwind" and not Nik Turner and friends) and the HW management had to threaten legal action. I enjoyed the gig, but it definitely wasn't HW and face it, Nik is NOT Hawkwind. He flits in, then goes away, and then comes back at will. Dave for 20 years, along with Ali, Richard, and HUW (bout 10 years each) , are the ones that have been holding it together since Nik was in the band permanently. Besides, Nik sounds like Nik, and Dave et all "sound" like HW. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Dave At 02:42 AM 10/6/01 +0100, you wrote: >Oh, and the .com address is owned by EBS, of which three of the five >partners are Brock, Davey and Chadwick. This is such bullshit. These guys >were my heroes once. I put in so much fucking work publicising the reunion, >adding Hawkwind and Bedouin gigs to the gig list, doing a contemporary >redesign that used Hawkwind iconography... I've always posted news to >hawkwind.com just as soon as I've got it, often before .org.uk. On the >morning of Sept 12, for fuck's sake, I got email from Marion with the lineup >for the tour and the complete tour list, plus a Lloyd-Langton date, and I >posted it all to hawkwind.com. > >The single reason Dave's got his panties in a bunch is that we've listed >Nik's gigs. As if that's why Hawkwind's ticket sales are low. > >-- Andy > >www.andygilham.com From nycademon at HOME.COM Sat Oct 6 00:57:35 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:57:35 -0600 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011005232404.036e28c0@mail.hypernova.net> Message-ID: Well Andy, maybe hawkwind.com should be renamed (ala Primus) hawkwindsucks.com, and a big banner should be put up saying it's a way unofficial site. I think Hawkwind has a right to "hawkwind.com", but it'd sure be nice if they had pursued the claim in a less heavy-handed fashion, and without the involvement of lawyers. Hell, why couldn't they buy the site name for $100 or so to compensate, at least in a small way, all the work that had been put into it, and continue on. This all reminds me of when Mike Holmes was compelled to stop publishing his Codex, because of similar legal nonsense. I'll bet "hawkwindsucks.com" is available . . . Guido www.vacano.com/guido From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 02:02:15 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:02:15 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham > Oh, and the .com address is owned by EBS, of which three of the five > partners are Brock, Davey and Chadwick. Only Doug Smith and one another (and not any of the above named) are listed as EBS directors. Ian From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sat Oct 6 02:16:37 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:16:37 -0400 Subject: FW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: For what it's worth: 1. I want to see Welcome To The Future continue. It's a great site. 2. I think the band have every right to control the .com domain name. 3. The letter that has been published here has obviously been written by a lawyer. I can see why Andy Gilham is pissed off to receive it. 4. I have dealt with Andy and know first-hand that he is a decent, honest and honourable person. 5. We, the uninvolved, have no idea of what else has been going on behind the scenes, or who the protagonists are. And maybe we shouldn't ask. 6. It seems to me an established fact that the name of Hawkwind is abused left right and centre. I totally concur with someone else's comment that the albums we want we can't get, while the market is flooded with substandard rubbish that rips off the members of Hawkwind. I think the band has decided to do something about this situation, and Andy has been caught in the crossfire. From coral at APORT.RU Sat Oct 6 02:31:19 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:31:19 +0400 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: > Yeah, Mission Control doesn't really seem to work that well under IE. I > always have to use Netscape if I want to view it, which sucks, since that's > the only reason I have Netscape on my computer at all. And I almost don't use IE at all. So it's ok for me. From coral at APORT.RU Sat Oct 6 02:37:10 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:37:10 +0400 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: > The single reason Dave's got his panties in a bunch is that we've listed > Nik's gigs. Then Dave has the right to do it. You list this crappy guy Nik Turner who stole my money releasing his worst ever concert recording Space Rock Odyssey. If you list him than you give him your approval to rip HW fans of their money. Alice From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Sat Oct 6 02:57:38 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:57:38 -0500 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: Oh, Didn't the Brock camp release something last year in this same manner. What was it Glastonbury 90, or some such thing where a dog barking was more clear than the music? Not sure if that's it, I didn't buy that one cause of the reports I heard on the sound. Also, I don't know if Dave Brock has any right to that domain name. Last I heard it was a common practice to register domain names and force people to buy the rights. This wasn't being done here, but probably could have been. I remember years ago when Alice Cooper wanted alicecooper.com, but didn't want to buy the rights, he settled for alicecoopershow.com. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: .com > > The single reason Dave's got his panties in a bunch is that we've listed > > Nik's gigs. > > Then Dave has the right to do it. You list this crappy guy Nik Turner who > stole my money releasing his worst ever concert recording Space Rock > Odyssey. If you list him than you give him your approval to rip HW fans of > their money. > > Alice > From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Oct 6 02:59:51 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:59:51 -0600 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com Message-ID: Yeah, gotta love that dog. I think there's a section later in between songs where one of the band says something about a "dog has swallowed some broken glass", and I get so happy that finally that stupid dog will quit barking now that he's got glass in his throat. So has anybody else heard that? Or was I dreaming again while I listened to some Hawkwind? Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: .com > Oh, > > Didn't the Brock camp release something last year in this same manner. What > was it Glastonbury 90, or some such thing where a dog barking was more clear > than the music? Not sure if that's it, I didn't buy that one cause of the > reports I heard on the sound. > > Also, I don't know if Dave Brock has any right to that domain name. Last I > heard it was a common practice to register domain names and force people to > buy the rights. This wasn't being done here, but probably could have been. I > remember years ago when Alice Cooper wanted alicecooper.com, but didn't want > to buy the rights, he settled for alicecoopershow.com. > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:37 AM > Subject: Re: HW: .com > > > > > The single reason Dave's got his panties in a bunch is that we've listed > > > Nik's gigs. > > > > Then Dave has the right to do it. You list this crappy guy Nik Turner who > > stole my money releasing his worst ever concert recording Space Rock > > Odyssey. If you list him than you give him your approval to rip HW fans of > > their money. > > > > Alice > > From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Sat Oct 6 03:09:08 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:09:08 -0500 Subject: HW FW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: Truly the worst HW news I have ever read. What a terrible message. I do agree that Nik Turner should not be allowed to rip anybody off, "IF HE INDEED IS/HAS" I guess this is mostly over the listing of Nik's gig, right. Which has what 10 former HW members in it, I didn't actually count I guess. What kind of stupid HW fan would want to know about that kind of gig? I'd hate to be bothered with news about a gig like that. Whatever I guess. I'll always love the music they made, but I lost some respect for the people today. -------------------------------------------------------- Yours sincerely HAWKWIND: Dave Brock Ali Davey Richard Chadwick Huw Lloyd Langton Simon House From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 04:06:30 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:06:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: "K Henderson" rightly said : > Let me spell it out for you in capital letters.... > > THE ALBUMS EVERYBODY WANTS, NOBODY CAN GET. THE ALBUMS THAT ARE ILLEGAL AND > CRAPPY, ARE EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.* i couldn't agree more. colm From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 04:59:04 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:59:04 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: >I > remember years ago when Alice Cooper wanted alicecooper.com, but didn't want > to buy the rights, he settled for alicecoopershow.com. Correct Dan. However they do now own the alicecooper.com name(which points to the same official site as ACshow.com). In fact it`s registered to Shep Gordon himself if I remember from when I checked. However just about every other Alicecooper.? domain is owned by the uk fans and we`ve never had any problems or requests that I know of. Si From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Oct 6 05:06:56 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:06:56 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: In defence of the excellent hawkwind.org.uk, I would like to point out that I view it using Internet Explorer Version 5, and have never experienced any problems navigating the site. Nor am I particularly IT literate, as Rik will testify... That's not a biased view, just plain fact. Captain Bl at ck. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 6 05:22:54 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 05:22:54 -0400 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:57:38 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: >I remember years ago when Alice Cooper wanted alicecooper.com, >but didn't want to buy the rights, he settled for alicecoopershow.com. also www.imotorhead.com for instance ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 06:13:19 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:13:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Domain Message-ID: I would just like to point out 1) This was not the first approach to try and regain our domain name, this letter was a last resort. 2) Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick and Dave Brock are not directors of EBS, Doug Smith and Eve Carr are. 3) The domain Hawkwind.com is not registered to EBS, but to Doug Smith. 4) Andy Gilham has refused to speak to us, we offered to phone him to try and sort all this out, but he refused. 5) Basically Andy does not contact us about information that he puts on his page, we do not know him, therefore how can he represent us. (We are willing however to speak to him and work with him) 6) We are in constant contact with Rik, who runs Mission Control, we see Mission Control as being our official website but have no objections to other fan sites. 7) We have never wanted to shut down Welcome to the Future, we are prepared to work with them and link to them, as they well know. 8) Doug Smith ceased being a manager of the band in 1997 Yours Hawkwind From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 06:35:02 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:35:02 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: .com > In defence of the excellent hawkwind.org.uk, I would like to point out that > I view it using Internet Explorer Version 5, and have never experienced any > problems navigating the site. I`ve never had a problem with either IE5 or 5.5 Si From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 6 07:43:25 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Just Got Up) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 05:43:25 -0600 Subject: DOT CALM Message-ID: <<"We are willing however to speak to him and work with him -XXX>> sounds fun lucky Andy ps- it's all Chumbawumba's fault? GROUPIE X (I'm afraid I make a hideous groupie)(and a lot of other hideous things, too) (oh well, so I never get backstage, it's the thrill of the chase......like in 95) (look! there he went! No! wait, that wasn't him, he's over there!-) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 6 08:18:12 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 06:18:12 -0600 Subject: (Off) Joy/ 3d Doremi promos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I honestly hope it comes to ALL I hope it does me, I am scared of Anthrax and car bombs, and falling commercial fighterliners mike I'll go look at UFO toys or something now...... From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Oct 6 07:42:54 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:42:54 +0100 Subject: HW....and more Message-ID: Re: 'Yule' CD. For the last two Fridays, the CD has not turned up and for the last two Fridays the label said 'next week - definitely next week'. So, guess what happened yesterday............. yep......... 'next week - definitely next week', they said. We can but hope. Live Legends DVD expected here Monday or Tueday (yes, it is out but ain't it just like the label involved to tell us it's out AFTER it's out....bloody labels for you.....) Night of Hawk DVD on NTSC now out and ins tock here at CDS. Anubian Lights two CD's or remixes, rarities and stuff now in stock, of which Vol 2 is just phenomenal. Bedouin CD now definitely available after the Hawkwind tour, around end Nov/first week December. Alan Davey solo available by end of this month as artwork has finally been sorted and manufacture of everything should now be underway. Krel CD delayed due to Martin working on about 5 projects at once and not getting around to finishing any of them, so urgency has been stressed and now we are on course for, hopefully, a Nov release. Spacehead still tweaking but hopefully on course for Nov release. Simon House on track for possibly end of year release. Track list and line-up for the 'Tribute To Sci-Fi Films' CD set is quite sensational incl Dr Hasbeen, Hawkwind, Krel, and tons more - I'll post details here next week, if the label lets me. Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW > > (hey...the review mentions that the yule ritual cd is out now from > > voiceprint. anyone have it yet and want to give a review?) > > I don't think it's actually out for another week. > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Oct 6 08:20:25 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:20:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: errrr......one presumes that if a main UK label, in this case New Millennium-Burnign Airlines, puts something as high profile as this out, then it has been OK'd by the band - I must admit, I would like to know more. Although it may be nothing to do with him, perhaps Mr Bouchard may be able to shed some light on how this one has come about, bearing in mind we're talking Columbia-originated studio stuff done live. Other than that, not a clue......... Still fine stuff, though..... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: BOC: New dbl CD > >'official'...then why does the fan club/official site not acknowledge it? > >'official' like most of the skydog, or reciever, stuff; as in: legal in the > country of manufacture, but completely unauthorized by any copyright > holders, no doubt. of course i'm speculating. but if that's correct, it's > perhaps not a boot, but it ain't 'official', either. > >bobm > > I just saw it here today, in a major French record store. > > That's official enough for me. > > > > Alex. > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 6 08:19:15 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:19:15 +0800 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: Me too. No problems here.\ Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: .com > In defence of the excellent hawkwind.org.uk, I would like to point out that > I view it using Internet Explorer Version 5, and have never experienced any > problems navigating the site. > > Nor am I particularly IT literate, as Rik will testify... > > That's not a biased view, just plain fact. > > Captain Bl at ck. > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 6 09:40:26 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:40:26 -0600 Subject: Ron 'Bastard' Tree- Bits For Xmas RUSH Message-ID: Just in- the bits between the bits Tracklist for new Bajina CD, live in Hamburg: 1) Silicon Chip 2) Cars Eat With Autoface 3) Tonic Sulpher 4) Ejection 5) Raptor 6) Sonic Attack 7) The Right Stuff 8) Insectucute (WARNING!)) the following link is to a short, zany, quicktime movie for nonsense purposes, which will begin downloading, PLEASE DO NOT!!! click this link if it will anger you, thanks http://wowwee at wowwee.com/video/clips/BIOSCARING.MOV 9) Merry Christmas 10) Silver Machine 11) You Have To Take Risks 12) Masters Of The Broken String From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 6 08:40:39 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:40:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense Message-ID: Hi, Back in 1996, at a time when I was just starting to discover Hawkwind (musically speaking, as I already knew them by name), Andy Gilham mailed me a copy of "Live Chronicles". He barely knew me at all. He did this out of the kindness of his heart. Without any second thoughts and without any strings attached (thanks again, Andy!) So not only did he make me this gift, but he also served the band, by helping me get to know HW better. Granted, I'm not a die-hard fan, but I'm certainly much more open to the band now then I used to be. Bottom line: Andy Gilham is a decent guy and I resent what the band is putting him through. I don't care who's right or wrong in this story. All I see is that Andy is in no man's land, caught in the crossfire, and getting hit by all this crap. I'm annoyed. If you really have to fight, then fight this between you guys (current and ex-members) and leave fans out of this. As if current world events weren't enough. This stuff is petty and beyond you (the band). Give it a rest already. Sheesh. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sat Oct 6 09:05:54 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:05:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense In-Reply-To: <200110061240.IAA18859@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Alex, and all the other guys who've vouched for me. I really, really don't want to get into a flame war with a guy who was one of my teenage heroes, so I'll leave it there. I've tried hard to not pick sides - choose a mask, if you will - but it was finally becoming impossible, so I chose to walk from a job that I once jumped at the chance to do. I will probably set my filters to BOC/BRAIN, because I can't in all honesty call myself a Hawkwind fan any more. I expect I'll sell a load of my Hawkwind collectables, too. I'll post a URL with a sales list in due course. -- Andy www.andygilham.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 09:34:48 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:34:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is all really sad. I've also dealt with Andy and believe him to be a thoroughly decent geezer, and a true fan who put tons of work into what was an excellent site, not necessarily better or worse than Mission Control, just very good in its own right. It's also true that the band will have benefited from this work. There are clearly factors that go beyond fandom here. I sympathise with the Brock camp re. the never ending abuse of the Hawkwind name and particularly the highly questionable "hawkestra" event being planned for later this month. It hadn't occurred to me until it came up on IRC last night that this event is exactly one year to the day since the Brixton Academy reunion last year, which again smacks of a deliberate attempt to confuse fans into thinking this is a "real" Hawkwind event. So I don't blame Dave and co. for finally saying, "enough is enough" and trying to do something about all this. But it seems very sad and unnecessary that Andy- a fan, who (unlike some people) is not trying in any way to rip the band off as far as I can see, ends up being so bruised. I hope this part of it can be resolved, just as much as I hope Dave and the others win their various legal battles to get what is rightfully theirs. In message , Andy Gilham writes >Thanks Alex, and all the other guys who've vouched for me. > >I really, really don't want to get into a flame war with a guy who was one >of my teenage heroes, so I'll leave it there. > >I've tried hard to not pick sides - choose a mask, if you will - but it was >finally becoming impossible, so I chose to walk from a job that I once >jumped at the chance to do. > >I will probably set my filters to BOC/BRAIN, because I can't in all honesty >call myself a Hawkwind fan any more. I expect I'll sell a load of my >Hawkwind collectables, too. I'll post a URL with a sales list in due >course. > >-- Andy > >www.andygilham.com -- Nick Medford From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 10:38:52 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:38:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense > This is all really sad. I've also dealt with Andy and believe him to be a > thoroughly decent geezer, and a true fan who put tons of work into what > was an excellent site, not necessarily better or worse than Mission Control, > just very good in its own right. It's also true that the band will have > benefited from this work. Reading all the posts, particularly those from Dave & Andy I can understand why Andy feels hurt, but at the same time the band are trying to recover a valuable marketing tool: not from Andy but from EBS:Doug Smith (as I pointed out this morning on one of the HW lists, and Dave confirmed this pm, there are no members of Hawkwind listed as directors of EBS). As I read the postings, Welcome to the Future could have continued under another URL as an unofficial fan site. The legal representation does read harshly but that's the way of the world and business is business. We have to accept, I think, that a possible compromise existed and appears to have been rejected, but at the end of the day the notice for recovery of the .com name was in essence aimed at the current owner of the url and not the webmaster. Yes, I think it is quite right that sympathy for Andy's position is being expressed. But I think it is very important for the continuation of the band that it exists on the best possible business footing, and that includes ownership of this imporant url. Ian From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Oct 6 15:17:42 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:17:42 -0700 Subject: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense In-Reply-To: <00f601c14e74$a3194640$cd7287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: One of the things that puzzled me 10 (?) years ago was why dint Dave and Co. learn from Dougie's past performance? (and RE-hired him!!). They could have asked Lemmy about that one. At 03:38 PM 10/6/01 +0100, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nick Medford >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:34 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Andy Gilham and the domain war nonsense > > > > This is all really sad. I've also dealt with Andy and believe him to be a > > thoroughly decent geezer, and a true fan who put tons of work into what > > was an excellent site, not necessarily better or worse than Mission >Control, > > just very good in its own right. It's also true that the band will have > > benefited from this work. > >Reading all the posts, particularly those from Dave & Andy I can understand >why Andy feels hurt, but at the same time the band are trying to recover a >valuable marketing tool: not from Andy but from EBS:Doug Smith (as I pointed >out this morning on one of the HW lists, and Dave confirmed this pm, there >are no members of Hawkwind listed as directors of EBS). As I read the >postings, Welcome to the Future could have continued under another URL as an >unofficial fan site. > >The legal representation does read harshly but that's the way of the world >and business is business. We have to accept, I think, that a possible >compromise existed and appears to have been rejected, but at the end of the >day the notice for recovery of the .com name was in essence aimed at the >current owner of the url and not the webmaster. > >Yes, I think it is quite right that sympathy for Andy's position is being >expressed. But I think it is very important for the continuation of the band >that it exists on the best possible business footing, and that includes >ownership of this imporant url. > >Ian From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Oct 6 13:08:45 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:08:45 +0200 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <028001c14e34$81955d00$9e73a58e@pavilion> Message-ID: hi there At 00:59 06.10.2001 -0600, you wrote: >Yeah, gotta love that dog. I have no problems with that dog as well No good recording of that gig but an interesting one ideed!! Better a shit recording than no recording Bernhard From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 13:21:02 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:21:02 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > hi there > > At 00:59 06.10.2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Yeah, gotta love that dog. > > I have no problems with that dog as well > No good recording of that gig but an interesting one ideed!! I was there. It was at the bottom of the travellers field just off the disused railway track near the Green Fields. Best bit of the whole festival. It was a shame about the riot on the Tuesday morning though. > Better a shit recording than no recording And I trod in some during the gig. I wonder if it was the same dog? Keef From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 6 13:42:32 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:42:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-lists 7/7 and 7/14 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > 5.F/i-- "One Step Beyond" (Helioscopium; Ceres Records) I assume, not a Madness cover (though that would be kind of cool); and of course then it would connect to the next item by way of both having flying saxophonists :-) > 6.Nik Turner-- "Sun Jester" (Transglobal Friends and Relations; Transparency > Records) Oh dear gods. Please tell me he keeps it under 4 minutes. The version on the _HawXtar_ CD-R makes me ignore the Nik half unless I'm feeling really completist. Someone should really inform Nik that he doesn't know how to do spoken word any more (if he ever did - stuff on _The 1999 Party_ isn't too bad though). > 12.Hawkwind-- "Interstellar Overdrive" (??) It's from that two-track CD that came with the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia; I guess title is same as the lead track, no idea what the label is though. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 6 13:46:12 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:46:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh Look ! Track info request/Pressurehed In-Reply-To: <47.df8557b.28856cb5@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > Pressurehed's "Silver Bird/Mastadon" is definitely not on any P-hed disc I > know of. and btw--it's fucking fantastic! What about the Psychic TV cover of > "Set the Controls..."? Or the live Legendary Pink Dots track "Evolution"? are > these exclusive? Can someone clear up for me how many Pressurehed albums there are? I have _Infadrone_ and _Sudden Vertigo_ and I know of and will get _Explaining the Unexplained_; but I have the dim recollection that there was a rare previous one whose name I now forget. Or am I making this up? As for the Psychic TV track, would that be from _Saucerful of Pink_? Yours, Jon ObCD: The Stalk Forrest Group - _St Cecilia_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Sat Oct 6 14:10:45 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:10:45 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: The Surgeons in Raleigh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, albert bouchard wrote: >> Hmm. Maybe this is just too sneaky but I remember that shortly >>before that someone posted an AOL chat with Eric and Buck to the list in >>which Eric said they were considering working one of the old tunes up (I >>shout for `Donovan's Monkey' :-)), which of course so far they haven't >>done. I just wonder if Al saw that and decided he'd beat them to it. If >>you were going to do that of course, you'd kind of have to pick the one >>that BOC had used for the title of the last album but which isn't on it, >>now, wouldn't you? > >I didn't see Eric and Buck's comments and wasn't trying to beat them >to it (wouldn't be hard now would it? as they tend to procrastinate) >but yes, I thought it ironic that they picked that title and wanted >folks to hear the song of the same name live. IIRC, that performance was immediately preceded by a certain hyperactive little drummer pacing the stage muttering "We know lotsa songs!" *grins* >> I still can't figure out how to arrange CotHM for a three-piece >>anyway. I can't see how it works without both piano and guitar lines. I >>have too little imagination and no chance to see tBS do it :-( Yours, > >Not hard - driving rhythm guitar (a la John) simple smashing drums (a >la Ringo) and some melodic motion in the bass (a la Paul) lay in a >country style lead break (a la George) and you have it, perfection! >Now if I could only get George and John to play at the same time. ;-) You came close enough, dear. *blows a kiss in your direction* -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. - Woodrow Wilson, War Messages, 2 April 1917 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 6 14:24:07 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:24:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <200107100225.WAA26006@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Karen Kusic wrote: > Gang! > > Was anyone ever into this Terrahawks sci-fi series? It was a trip. ;) > > http://www.fab1.net/t-hawks/terrahawks.html Was I? I have the novelisation somewhere. It was, um, better than the series for plot but had nothing on the noughts and crosses title sequence :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _Camembert Electrique_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 6 14:37:36 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:37:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD In-Reply-To: <017d01c14e63$788697e0$4c97bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >errrr......one presumes that if a main UK label, in this case New >Millennium-Burnign Airlines, puts something as high profile as this out, >then it has been OK'd by the band - I must admit, I would like to know more. >Although it may be nothing to do with him, perhaps Mr Bouchard may be able >to shed some light on how this one has come about, bearing in mind we're >talking Columbia-originated studio stuff done live. >Other than that, not a clue......... Me either but that's not to say it hasn't gotten the approval of current management. Next time I talk to them I'll be sure to ask. Al From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 6 15:24:32 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:24:32 +0100 Subject: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCMENT FROM - ICU CONTROL Message-ID: There may be trouble ahead But while there's moonlight... ...and laughter... ...and love and romance. Lets face the music AND DANCE!!! R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Oct 6 17:46:02 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:46:02 EDT Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/01 6:17:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bwaje at CLARANET.FR writes: > Please Nick, excuse my poor englis, but what is a "shenanigan"? ha! anyone else ever hear this exact line from an early episode of Twin Peaks??? Sorry, Olivier--a Chinese woman playing the part of Josie Packard from said show once asked the very same thing. I believe Dale Cooper's response was something like "nonsense, foolishness, deception..." Chuck > And secondly are we going to have a "Brock, House, lloyd langton, etc.." > band like > it happened with "Anderson,Bruford, Wakeman, et al..." > > Olivier > www.bwaje.com/hawkzone/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Oct 6 18:01:55 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:01:55 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com Message-ID: no offence, but there's an awful lot of people out there with not a lot of money who'd radically disagree with that one, but the duty of poeple like myself is to try and give people the truth about a release and let them make up their own minds - sadly I seem to be in a minority. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com > Better a shit recording than no recording > > Bernhard From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Oct 6 18:20:54 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:20:54 +0100 Subject: Ron Tree- Bits For Xmas RUSH Message-ID: .....and it plus the ICU stuff is now in stock at CD Services. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Ron 'Bastard' Tree- Bits For Xmas RUSH > Just in- the bits between the bits > > Tracklist for new Bajina CD, live in Hamburg: > > 1) Silicon Chip > 2) Cars Eat With Autoface > 3) Tonic Sulpher > 4) Ejection > 5) Raptor > 6) Sonic Attack > 7) The Right Stuff > 8) Insectucute (WARNING!)) the following link is to a short, zany, > quicktime movie for nonsense purposes, which will begin downloading, > PLEASE DO NOT!!! click this link if it will anger you, thanks > http://wowwee at wowwee.com/video/clips/BIOSCARING.MOV > 9) Merry Christmas > 10) Silver Machine > 11) You Have To Take Risks > 12) Masters Of The Broken String From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Oct 6 18:26:53 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:26:53 -0700 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was thinking the same (almost) thing, except I thought it was Catherine Martell who replied to Josie... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Chuck Rosenberg Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.com is gone In a message dated 10/5/01 6:17:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bwaje at CLARANET.FR writes: > Please Nick, excuse my poor englis, but what is a "shenanigan"? ha! anyone else ever hear this exact line from an early episode of Twin Peaks??? Sorry, Olivier--a Chinese woman playing the part of Josie Packard from said show once asked the very same thing. I believe Dale Cooper's response was something like "nonsense, foolishness, deception..." Chuck > And secondly are we going to have a "Brock, House, lloyd langton, etc.." > band like > it happened with "Anderson,Bruford, Wakeman, et al..." > > Olivier > www.bwaje.com/hawkzone/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 6 19:24:53 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 00:24:53 +0100 Subject: Hawk/ICU cd's from RFM Message-ID: R. F. M. http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest cd's featuring: NIK TURNER HARVEY BAINBRIDGE RON TREE DEVIANTS PINK FAIRIES JUDGE TREV INNER CITY UNIT MR QUIMBYS BEARD BLEEDING HEARTS 2000 DS etc Plus live chat - message forum - healers and gurus - news - festival/info links NEW RFM CD's AVAILABLE >From http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk - REAL festival music - our new website. -the cd's below, and many more festy band cd's available here. Pay Pal accepted. THE MAXIMUM EFFECT the definitive Inner City Unit album ?9.99 ($15) + postage HAMBURG LIVE Bajina - Ron Tree/Judge Trev/Dino Ferari- Hawkwind/Inner City Unit Their first gig at the Hamburg hawkfest 2001 ?9.99 ($15) + postage JUDGEMENT AND THUNDER 2 Inner City Unit/Imperial Pompadours More hits from Judge Trev and Nik Turner including the highly illegal "Insolence across the Nation" ?7.99 ($12) + postage REVOLUTION AND REBELLION Inner City Unit/Atomgods The revolutionary works of Judge trev - ?7.99 ($12) + postage Also "Now You Know the Score" Judge Trevs ICU 1997 ?7.99 ($12) + postage Send check, PO, IMO to: Real Festival Music 34a Upper Lewes Road, Brighton, East Sussex, BN23FH UK Postage 1 CD UK 44p Europe 96p Rest of World ?1.32p 2 CDs UK 66p Europe ?1.50p Rest of World ?2.30p 3 CDs UK 87p Europe ?2.00p Rest of World ?3.00p guess for more! Coming soon. "GOD AND MAN" new major album from Judge Trev, Featuring Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree, Dino Ferari From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Oct 6 20:31:53 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:31:53 -0400 Subject: Hawk/ICU cd's from RFM Message-ID: to RFM: thanks a lot,received my Harvey Bainbridge today...fast service-great cd tim Judge Trev wrote: > > R. F. M. > > http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk > > > The latest cd's featuring: > > NIK TURNER > HARVEY BAINBRIDGE > RON TREE > DEVIANTS > PINK FAIRIES > JUDGE TREV > INNER CITY UNIT > MR QUIMBYS BEARD > BLEEDING HEARTS > 2000 DS > etc > Plus live chat - message forum - healers and gurus - news - festival/info > links > > NEW RFM CD's AVAILABLE > From http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk - REAL festival music - our new > website. -the cd's below, and many more festy band cd's available here. Pay > Pal accepted. > > THE MAXIMUM EFFECT the definitive Inner City Unit album ?9.99 ($15) + > postage > > HAMBURG LIVE Bajina - Ron Tree/Judge Trev/Dino Ferari- Hawkwind/Inner City > Unit > Their first gig at the Hamburg hawkfest 2001 ?9.99 ($15) + postage > > JUDGEMENT AND THUNDER 2 Inner City Unit/Imperial Pompadours > More hits from Judge Trev and Nik Turner including the highly illegal > "Insolence across the Nation" ?7.99 ($12) + postage > > REVOLUTION AND REBELLION Inner City Unit/Atomgods > The revolutionary works of Judge trev - ?7.99 ($12) + postage > > Also "Now You Know the Score" Judge Trevs ICU 1997 ?7.99 ($12) + postage > > > Send check, PO, IMO to: > Real Festival Music > 34a Upper Lewes Road, > Brighton, > East Sussex, > BN23FH > UK > Postage 1 CD UK 44p Europe 96p Rest of World ?1.32p > 2 CDs UK 66p Europe ?1.50p Rest of World ?2.30p > 3 CDs UK 87p Europe ?2.00p Rest of World ?3.00p > guess for more! > > > Coming soon. "GOD AND MAN" new major album from Judge Trev, > Featuring Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree, Dino Ferari From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 21:05:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:05:29 +0100 Subject: Hawk/ICU cd's from RFM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Tim writes >to RFM: >thanks a lot,received my Harvey Bainbridge today... Let's hope he's housetrained Tim! -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 6 21:08:41 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:08:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mind Your Head- Act 1 Message-ID: [cross-posted to alt.music.planet-gong] How my jaw dropped when I heard the Royal Festival Hall was to host a series of psychedelic gigs under the banner of "Mind Your Head". It's extraordinary to think of some of these bands treading the boards at this particular venue, but it's gratifying that after years of mainstream media indifference and derision, some of this music is getting belated recognition from the world of "serious art" (snigger). So this gig was the first in the series and this is what we got: Acid Mothers Temple: Japanese guitar'n'electronics freakout collective. Imagine early Hawkwind mixed with Hendrix at his wildest, with bits of thrash metal, early Floyd and Damo-era Can thrown in, and, well, that's the kind of noise they make. Pretty good but pretty unremitting- they could have done with a bit more melody amidst the racket, although this was probably not the right setting for them. They might be amazing in a small club. Gong: who were on form. I had wondered if Daevid might tone down the absurdist antics a bit, given that many in the crowd would have been there mainly for the Orb and might not take kindly to a sixtysomething hippy beanpole acting the merry prankster, but I needn't have worried- he came on dressed as Madonna in a pointy bra, huge shaggy hat and ludicrous shades. A fine start. They had promised a "short and intense" set and lived up to that with: Zero the Hero I Am Your Pussy Radio Gnome Invisible Magdalene Flute salad Oily way Outer Temple/Inner Temple You Can't Kill Me Master Builder Line-up was Daevid, Gilli, Mike Howlett, Didier Malherbe, Theo Travis, Chris Taylor, Gwyo Zepix. GZ was far more prominent than when I saw them earlier this year, applying real-time effects to Gilli's voice to good, erm, effect. The sound was excellent apart from not being quite loud enough! They got a rapturous reception and it seemed harsh that they couldn't return for an encore but I guess the evening was running on a very tight schedule. Which brings us to: The Orb: With the Doors' "The End" coming through the PA the lights very gradually dimmed, and two anonymous figures half-hidden behind huge banks of machinery gradually merged the music into huge- and I mean HUGE- swirls and slabs of electronic sound. Then the mother of all lightshows kicked in and the RFH went into Orb-it. I've loved their music since the first album, but never seen them live before. The first hour or so was superb: a dizzying torrent of images came and went on five big screens while the duo conjured massive soundscapes set to irresistible beats. They pulled off the not inconsiderable feat of infusing this staid venue with the atmosphere of an underground rave. They had a few "real musicians" joining in at various points- a guitarist, a bassist and an excellent tabla player. The second half wasn't quite as good- the beats became less insistent and one felt the need for a bit more variety in the sound- shame they didn't do a couple of their more melodic pieces. But overall it was very impressive and I would definitely see them again. Next up at the RFH: Hawkwind! ...and Faust a couple of days after that. Will the South Bank ever be the same again? See some of you there hopefully. -- Nick Medford -- Nick Medford From coral at APORT.RU Sun Oct 7 06:54:08 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:54:08 +0400 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com Message-ID: > Yeah, gotta love that dog. > I think there's a section later in between songs where one of the band says > something about a "dog has swallowed some broken glass", and I get so happy > that finally that stupid dog will quit barking now that he's got glass in > his throat. > So has anybody else heard that? Or was I dreaming again while I listened to > some Hawkwind? Yea, right! They never claimed that it is high quality recording and they played very well on this one. Nik and Co were completely out of tune on their live recording. Alice From coral at APORT.RU Sun Oct 7 07:15:22 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:15:22 +0400 Subject: FW: Hawkwind domain Message-ID: > 6. It seems to me an established fact that the name of Hawkwind is abused > left right and centre. I totally concur with someone else's comment that > the albums we want we can't get, while the market is flooded with > substandard rubbish that rips off the members of Hawkwind. I think the > band has decided to do something about this situation, and Andy has been > caught in the crossfire. I agree with you. And I don't understand why anyone should blame HW. I don't know Andy but from what I've heard he is a great guy. But he is not correct in this situation. I think there could be one decisions - Andy's Welcome to the Future leaves .com and gets org.uk. The official Rik's site gets .com. Alice From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Oct 7 07:31:57 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:31:57 +0200 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <002101c14f1e$bdcfa600$6005efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Hi At 14:54 07.10.2001 +0400, you wrote: >They never claimed that it is high quality recording and they played very >well on this one. > >Nik and Co were completely out of tune on their live recording. I agree with you Alice Bernhard From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Sun Oct 7 08:30:33 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:30:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mind Your Head- Act 1 Message-ID: For anyone going to see Faust at the RFH on Friday 12th October be aware that there is a tube strike scheduled for that day and you may have to find an alternative route. You can ring London travel on 0207 222 1234 and they can give you alternatives by bus or overland rail. According to http://www.faust-pages.com/ this will be their last UK tour and the RFH is their 100th show so I reckon it might be a good one. Alastair. On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:08:41 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >[cross-posted to alt.music.planet-gong] > >How my jaw dropped when I heard the Royal Festival Hall was to host a >series of psychedelic gigs under the banner of "Mind Your Head". It's >extraordinary to think of some of these bands treading the boards at this >particular venue, but it's gratifying that after years of mainstream media >indifference and derision, some of this music is getting belated recognition >from the world of "serious art" (snigger). > >So this gig was the first in the series and this is what we got: > >Acid Mothers Temple: Japanese guitar'n'electronics freakout collective. >Imagine early Hawkwind mixed with Hendrix at his wildest, with bits of >thrash metal, early Floyd and Damo-era Can thrown in, and, well, that's the >kind of noise they make. Pretty good but pretty unremitting- they could >have done with a bit more melody amidst the racket, although this was >probably not the right setting for them. They might be amazing in a small >club. > >Gong: who were on form. I had wondered if Daevid might tone down the >absurdist antics a bit, given that many in the crowd would have been there >mainly for the Orb and might not take kindly to a sixtysomething hippy >beanpole acting the merry prankster, but I needn't have worried- he came >on dressed as Madonna in a pointy bra, huge shaggy hat and ludicrous >shades. A fine start. They had promised a "short and intense" set and lived >up to that with: > >Zero the Hero >I Am Your Pussy >Radio Gnome Invisible >Magdalene >Flute salad >Oily way >Outer Temple/Inner Temple >You Can't Kill Me >Master Builder > >Line-up was Daevid, Gilli, Mike Howlett, Didier Malherbe, Theo Travis, >Chris Taylor, Gwyo Zepix. GZ was far more prominent than when I saw >them earlier this year, applying real-time effects to Gilli's voice to good, >erm, effect. The sound was excellent apart from not being quite loud >enough! They got a rapturous reception and it seemed harsh that they >couldn't return for an encore but I guess the evening was running on a very >tight schedule. Which brings us to: > >The Orb: With the Doors' "The End" coming through the PA the lights >very gradually dimmed, and two anonymous figures half-hidden behind huge >banks of machinery gradually merged the music into huge- and I mean >HUGE- swirls and slabs of electronic sound. Then the mother of all >lightshows kicked in and the RFH went into Orb-it. I've loved their music >since the first album, but never seen them live before. The first hour or so >was superb: a dizzying torrent of images came and went on five big screens >while the duo conjured massive soundscapes set to irresistible beats. They >pulled off the not inconsiderable feat of infusing this staid venue with the >atmosphere of an underground rave. They had a few "real musicians" joining >in at various points- a guitarist, a bassist and an excellent tabla player. The >second half wasn't quite as good- the beats became less insistent and one felt >the need for a bit more variety in the sound- shame they didn't do a couple >of their more melodic pieces. But overall it was very impressive and I would >definitely see them again. > >Next up at the RFH: Hawkwind! ...and Faust a couple of days after that. >Will the South Bank ever be the same again? See some of you there >hopefully. >-- >Nick Medford > >-- >Nick Medford From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Oct 7 09:01:46 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:01:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Issues (Note to Andy) Message-ID: Hi Andy... Just a few words to hopefully put things in better perspective..... Having spoken at length to Dave & co.over the last week or so, the last thing they wanted was to shut you down ! However, it's clear they have felt for some time that their views have been misrepresented to the casual site visitor when confronted with the banner "The Official Hawkwind Website". This instantly gives the unqualified impression that everything contained on the site is provided by, or at the very least sanctioned by the band. You obviously know this is not the case. Imagine for a moment that someone had set up andygilham.com before you'd bought it, and stated on the home page that it was the "Official Site of Andy Gilham" before filling the site with views, opinions and material that you did not provide, agree with, or have any control over. You'd be pissed off surely? But wait... there may be several other andy gilhams out there who have just as much claim to the name and the site may be valid. However, the name 'Hawkwind' is not a suchlike 'generic' name that could be confused with others, as everyone is aware, it's a universally recognised brand name; and that is a major difference. As you know, we do Mission Control for the band, and all of the stuff that goes onto the site is in most cases is directly provided by them. If not, it is ALWAYS sanctioned by, commissioned by, or at the very least vetted by the band themselves. The band have full FTP access to the domain's webspace (which is theirs anyway) and can modify any files and data by themselves at any time. This means that FULL CONTROL of what is represented is held at all times with the band. Additionally, despite designing and administering the Website for the band, we claim no ownership of any of the content of Mission Control in any way, and the band can, at any time, with our full sanction, freely chose to take control of the site and without restrictions use any graphics and date we have created for the site. Hawkwind also hold all the registration certificates for Hawkwind.org.uk (even though a domain search will show that we pay the renewal fees). All this allows the band to have the knowledge of having their views, opinions and interests honestly represented. And this is the key problem. On the .com site, there have been growing references to various things that are contrary to the band's personal and financial interests. There was certainly material that would have detrimental effects on ongoing court cases; i.e. there were references to muc 'bootleg' material without any form of disclaimer stating that the band did not support the releases etc. etc. Imagine how damaging it would be to a court case against a bootlegger if the defence produced a printed copyof a page from your site that was headed "The Official Hawkwind Website", that quite happily listed such material without a disclaimer? This is just one of many examples of why the band wanted action. If the site, as it stands, was on another domain, set up as a fan-based site, and did not claim to "officially" represent the band, I really don't think that they would have a major problem with it. There are certainly many other HW based fan sites online that contain much of the material mentioned above. The difference is though, none of them have ever claimed to be the "official" voice of Hawkwind. On a personal level, I have always found the .com site to be an excellent port of call for fans, and as a webmaster can appreciate the amount of hard work that has gone in to creating such a large portal. I have never met you, the band have never met you, but it's honestly true to say that nobody has any animosity towards you personally. All that is known of you from HW's perspective is what has appeared on the .com pages, which in the main has been of really high quality, and very informative. However, it is clear that there are some major issues that needed addressing before the impact on the band's interests became too great. Having spoken to the band at length, it is clear that there was no intention to close down your site. Can I suggest that you contact the band over the next few days, and at least discuss an amicable way forward. I am sure that there must be several options open to resolve this issue that will be in the best interests of all parties involved, and this includes the fanbase. Dave has already stated that if the site were to appear as a fan-based site any support or promotion and linkages would be given where appropriate. I know you are in a bit of a 'piggy in the middle' situation, but somebody needs to start the mediation. This note is deliberately in the public domain to avoid the 'chinese whispers' that we have seen on the lists lately. Rx From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 7 10:41:45 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:41:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Domain In-Reply-To: <004801c14e4f$99efd860$759493c3@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, XXX wrote: => 3) The domain Hawkwind.com is not registered to EBS, but to Doug => Smith. Here are the actual data: >>>>> Registrant: The Emergency Broadcast System Limited (HAWKWIND-DOM) PO Box 6131 London, W3 8ZR UK Domain Name: HAWKWIND.COM Administrative Contact: Churchett, Dale (DC1728) daleweb at IO.COM DC Web Design 11500 Jollyville Road #414 Austin, TX 78759 (512) 342 1678 Technical Contact: BHCOM Hostmaster (HC391-ORG) hostmaster at BHCOM.COM Blueberry Hill Communications, Inc. 77-670 Springfield Lane, Suite 11B Palm Desert, CA 92211 US (760) 360-4600 Fax- (760) 772-3654 Billing Contact: Douglas D. Smith (DDS4-ORG) actonium at DIAL.PIPEX.COM The Emergency Broadcast System Limited. PO Box 6131 London, W3 8ZR UK 0181 993-8436 Fax- 0181 896 1778 Record last updated on 25-May-2001. Record expires on 04-May-2003. Record created on 03-May-1996. Database last updated on 6-Oct-2001 15:21:00 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.VIRTSERV.COM 192.41.1.23 NS2.PERMA.NET 161.58.9.23 <<<<< EBS is the registrant. Doug Smith is the billing contact. Having dealt with the labyrinthine Network Solutions (now Verisign) registration procedure as technical contact for about half a dozen domains, I can just point out that Network Solutions consider the administrative contact the ultimate authority over a domain's "service agreement" (to use their lingo). That would be Dale Churchett in this case. BTW, I don't see Andy Gilham's name in any of the above. He may be privy to the modification routes/passwords for the domain records, but he isn't officially the owner or steward of that domain in any sense. EBS may have pointed www.hawkwind.com to a WWW site he controls, but they could very well point it somewhere else. (Note, "they," not Andy, as "they" ultimately control the DNS.) Not wishing to take a stand, but merely to inject the perspective of someone who has recently had (frustratingly) to administer several domains via Network Solutions (and set up local nameservers)... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 7 11:46:39 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:46:39 -0400 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Guido N. Vacano wrote: => Well Andy, maybe hawkwind.com should be renamed (ala Primus) => hawkwindsucks.com, and a big banner should be put up saying it's a way => unofficial site. I think Hawkwind has a right to "hawkwind.com", but it'd => sure be nice if they had pursued the claim in a less heavy-handed fashion, => and without the involvement of lawyers. Hell, why couldn't they buy the site => name for $100 or so to compensate, at least in a small way, all the work => that had been put into it, and continue on. This all reminds me of when Mike => Holmes was compelled to stop publishing his Codex, because of similar legal => nonsense. => => I'll bet "hawkwindsucks.com" is available . . . Currently, it is. But, most others are not. For example, cybersquatters appear long ago to have jumped on hawkwind.net and hawkwind.org. Hawklords.com is taken (by Capt. Cloud, I seem to recall), as is hawklords.net. (Hawklords.org seems to be free.) Given you can register domains for <$10/year these days, maybe Hawkwind should snap up the ones that are still left, and reclaim those that have been cybersquatted by default. (Consider it a business expense.) All this "getting the domain back" strikes a chord here. Recently, due to administrative bungling on our part, we lost control of a domain we'd registered (which shall remain nameless, to protect the innocent:). One day, its www. address pointed to a WWW site detailing a major international conference, the next (literally so) it pointed to a vanilla shopping/banner ad site! Someone trawling the lists of recently retired domains had bought it up immediately it had expired, and pointed it to the vanilla site. I guess the people that do this figure that a source of hits is a source of hits (never mind if it is what people are expecting)... One of our lab members looked into getting the domain back. It seems there is an official arbitration procedure, but, the minimum cost to go through it is $1500 for the folks initiating the claim. Luckily for us, a phone call and a deal got the domain transferred back to us by its new owner for only $75. (Like I said, we were lucky.) I note the owners of hawkwind.org want ?2000 for it (or ?240/year to rent, though you can "use now for a good idea" for free:). Personally, I always thought "hawkwind.net" was the better domain name for the band's dissemination activities (as .net is used by many band sites, at least in jam band circles). But, as I said above, that appears to be gone (although available for bids in excess of $50, it seems). Finally, personally, I think the band have treated Andy Gilham shabbily. Last time I saw a band treating loyal fans like this, the words "Metallica" and "Napster" seemed to be involved. :-) You simply can't buy bad publicity like this. Good one, Hawkwind! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 7 12:12:49 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:12:49 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather Finally, personally, I think the band have treated Andy Gilham shabbily. Last time I saw a band treating loyal fans like this, the words "Metallica" and "Napster" seemed to be involved. :-) You simply can't buy bad publicity like this. Good one, Hawkwind! Paul, that's unfair. The very detailed account posted by Rik this afternoon should have cleared up the Hawkwind side of the story and you have already accounted, yourself, for the fact that the domain is in the hands of ownership other than the band. Nothing that's been posted over the weekend, to my mind, suggests anything other than a compromise was available and not taken up. Don't see that can be taken as the band's fault. The legal side of things has also been comprehensively explained and surely the story ends here. Ian From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 7 12:19:03 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:19:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mind Your Head- Act 1 In-Reply-To: <200110071230.IAA16664@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I see from my inbox that my gig review has been forwarded to another mailing list (the 'potheadpixie' list). I'm very happy for anything I write to be forwarded on to appropriate places, but I would just ask that the person doing the forwarding contacts me in advance to let me know they're going to do this. This is of course not an obligation as such, but it does seem like common courtesy to me. Certainly it is regarded as "Netiquette" in the medical/scientific newsgroups I use- perhaps things are a bit more formal there but I think it's reasonable enough. I have sent this to the list rather than the individual concerned as I don't want to personalise things or start any more flaming, gnashing of teeth etc. Love and peace!!! -- Nick Medford From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 7 14:11:44 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:11:44 +0000 Subject: Pissed Off on a Sunday Message-ID: I like Hawkwind music. I like seeing them live. Apart from saying "hello" to Dave Brock after a gig once, I have never met any of them other than having a rather rude discussion with Al (i or an!) Davey regarding UFO's Lt. Ellis after a Bedouin gig. I couldn't give a stuff what they think of me no more than they need to care what I think of them, but would be pretty hacked off if they decided never to tour again thanks to some of their so-called fans opinions of this matter. If Dave Brock is indeed a farmer in Devon,I would imagine that he has got a little more on his plate rather than bickering with a group of nobodies riding on his coat-tails. If certain people are ripping him off or destroying his bands name in pursuit of their misguided aims then in my book he's got every reason to get mad. IHMO, however, he'd be better off kicking ass with some of his record companies who keep wasting our (and Any Garibaldi's) time in delaying release dates. F**k'em! I was surprised to find that Hawkwind.com, splendid as it was, was not an official site, but if that was the case then Andy Gilham must have known that he was skating on thin ice when he was presenting information from both the Brock and Turner camps. And if you are taking your bat home, Andy, may I be the first to relieve you of your Hawklords 25 Years On and PXR5 cd's to complete my (legal) collection. Sorry for droning on, but why don't we all sit back, enjoy the music, watch the shows and let life be. Andy Gilham won't be the first or last fan of anybody to think that his idol's have feet of clay. Yours, Mark C. Currently playing Smurf's Greatest Hits _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coral at APORT.RU Sun Oct 7 14:16:28 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:16:28 +0400 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" Message-ID: Hello! I wonder if this album was released or not? And if yes, is it available elsewhere? regards, Alice From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 7 14:34:38 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:34:38 -0400 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <009d01c14f4a$ebfd3a20$0f7587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Ian Abrahams wrote: => From: Paul Mather => => Finally, personally, I think the band have treated Andy Gilham shabbily. => Last time I saw a band treating loyal fans like this, the words => "Metallica" and "Napster" seemed to be involved. :-) You simply can't => buy bad publicity like this. Good one, Hawkwind! => => Paul, that's unfair. The very detailed account posted by Rik this afternoon => should have cleared up the Hawkwind side of the story and you have already => accounted, yourself, for the fact that the domain is in the hands of => ownership other than the band. Nothing that's been posted over the weekend, => to my mind, suggests anything other than a compromise was available and not => taken up. Don't see that can be taken as the band's fault. The legal side of => things has also been comprehensively explained and surely the story ends => here. It may be "unfair" from where you stand, but it's my perception, right or wrong. Maybe you don't think this has generated any ill will towards the band. I think it has, but I may be mistaken. Not everything I think is right or correct. But then the same is true of us all. And, of course, Rik's very detailed account is just one side of the story, and may not be entirely unbiased. In Rik's recent posting, he made repeated complaint that Andy had flagged the www.hawkwind.com site as "the official" Hawkwind WWW site, which is basically the straw that broke the camel's back for them. Andy reported here he long since removed any "official" monniker from his WWW site (since the launching of Mission Control was the impression I got). So, someone is mistaken, there. (Let's leave it to the spin doctors to win that one.) Also, as you bring up my earlier posting, you hopefully will appreciate the point I tried to make that the hawkwind.com domain is registered to EBS, not Andy Gilham, and that Andy has no control or ownership over the hawkwind.com domain. Sending a legal volley his way just further illustrates the comedy of errors that is general Hawkwind "management" (IMHO). Asking Andy to "hand over the domain" is like asking me or you to hand it over. We can't. We have no authority to do so. He may control the WWW site to which www.hawkwind.com points, but he doesn't control the hawkwind.com domain (domain != host). I do think that ownership of hawkwind.{com,net,org} should belong the Hawkwind. (They should also try and get hawklords.{com,net,org}, IMHO.) But, issuing an ultimatum to Andy Gilham is not the way to go about it (IMHO). Reading the posts on here recently, I can't help feel that whether by accident or design, Hawkwind have garnered themselves bad publicity over they way this has played out. I may be mistaken in this perception, but I make no other observation than that. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Oct 7 15:05:53 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:05:53 -0400 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:34:38 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: Paul, just a brief observation of your comments below. Obviously, you can only justifiably comment on facts that are in the public domain, however, I'm sure that you realise that much of what happened to reach the current situation has gone on behind the scenes for an extended period. The comment that Andy was "shabbily treated" would be true if he was the sole recipiant of the letter. However, what Andy received was a COPY of a note sent to Douglas as the site owner, so that he was in posession of all the facts. With reguard to the "Official" declaration, I have a mirror copy of the .com site for reference. I just checked, and it's there as clear as day. <> > >In Rik's recent posting, he made repeated complaint that Andy had >flagged the www.hawkwind.com site as "the official" Hawkwind WWW site, >which is basically the straw that broke the camel's back for them. >Andy reported here he long since removed any "official" monniker from >his WWW site (since the launching of Mission Control was the impression >I got). So, someone is mistaken, there. (Let's leave it to the spin >doctors to win that one.) No Need - see my comment above. > >Also, as you bring up my earlier posting, you hopefully will appreciate >the point I tried to make that the hawkwind.com domain is registered to >EBS, not Andy Gilham, and that Andy has no control or ownership over the >hawkwind.com domain. Sending a legal volley his way just further >illustrates the comedy of errors that is general Hawkwind "management" >(IMHO). Asking Andy to "hand over the domain" is like asking me or you >to hand it over. We can't. We have no authority to do so. He may >control the WWW site to which www.hawkwind.com points, but he doesn't >control the hawkwind.com domain (domain != host). I find it hard to believe that you really thought the band would really act in that manner. Once again, I repeat that the letter was *copied* to Andy for reference as a matter of courtesy. The letter was *of course* sent to, and aimed at the site's owners. You appear to have mistakenly assumed an all out attack was made on andy who just administers the site. For your information I have been in contact with today, and as such, am on good terms with him. > >I do think that ownership of hawkwind.{com,net,org} should belong the >Hawkwind. (They should also try and get hawklords.{com,net,org}, IMHO.) >But, issuing an ultimatum to Andy Gilham is not the way to go about it >(IMHO). > >Reading the posts on here recently, I can't help feel that whether by >accident or design, Hawkwind have garnered themselves bad publicity over >they way this has played out. I may be mistaken in this perception, but >I make no other observation than that. This would be true, if the facts were as you assumed. Your observations are, however, quite innacurate as they are based on quite limited information. I hope this clarifies things (yet again). Rx From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Oct 7 15:46:49 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:46:49 EDT Subject: HW: Oh Look ! Track info request/Pressurehed Message-ID: Jon, > > Pressurehed's "Silver Bird/Mastadon" is definitely not on any P-hed disc I > > know of. and btw--it's fucking fantastic! What about the Psychic TV cover > of > > "Set the Controls..."? Or the live Legendary Pink Dots track "Evolution"? > are > > these exclusive? > > Can someone clear up for me how many Pressurehed albums there > are? I have _Infadrone_ and _Sudden Vertigo_ and I know of and will get > _Explaining the Unexplained_; but I have the dim recollection that there > was a rare previous one whose name I now forget. Or am I making this up? You know you're only dreaming. I don't blame ya, I'd like to think another one existed as much as I've dreamed of a fourth season of Star Trek Orig. Series (sorry, but I have). As for Explaining, you can't get ahold of that puppy too soon... > > As for the Psychic TV track, would that be from _Saucerful of > Pink_? Yours, > Jon > Oops, correct. Chuck From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Oct 7 15:48:56 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:48:56 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind.com 'Official www site'. Message-ID: The following page was downloaded from www.hawkwind.com on the 17th September, 2001: Welcome to the Future is the official World Wide Web site of Hawkwind, made possible by EMI Premier and The Emergency Broadcast System Limited. The site was officially announced on the 10th June 1996 All contents reproduced with kind permission of Hawkwind. Send comments and feedback to Star_Rats at hawkwind.com Hacker Argot and Beatbox fonts created by channelzero! From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sun Oct 7 16:27:28 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:27:28 +0100 Subject: Fwd: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" Message-ID: Alice wrote: >I wonder if this album was released or not? And if yes, is it available >elsewhere? I have the "Final Call EP", got it from the Nottingham show on the last tour, from the official merch stall.but it IS a CD-R with colour laser or photocopied inserts. It has a serial no. of ELF002 Tracks: Shahadah (5:30) Salah (5:35) Zakah (3:38) Sawm (5:40) Hajj (4:00) Engineered, mixed & Produced by Alan Davey who plays all instruments All titles copyright Alan Davey 1999 I like it! ChrisW From coral at APORT.RU Sun Oct 7 16:35:32 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:35:32 +0400 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: It's very sad for me to see this list falling apart on this question... The real true band, Hawkwind leading by Brock, should be giving full support. And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim themselves "honest people". Maybe I should sign off this list... Alice From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Sun Oct 7 16:52:18 2001 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:52:18 -0700 Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel In-Reply-To: <009d01c14f4a$ebfd3a20$0f7587d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Dave Brock has kicked his fans in the teeth. Why should we spend OUR money to line his pockets. All he seems to care about is exploting the Hawkwind fans. So I say.... DON'T BUY HIS SOLO CD Let him know you aren't going to take this kind of treatment. It's the fans that made him-- it's the fans that can break him! Power to the Hawkwind fans! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sun Oct 7 20:17:17 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:17:17 -0700 Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel In-Reply-To: <20011007205218.86388.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh my god. It's official, the wackos have escaped from their dungeon again. At 01:52 PM 10/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dave Brock has kicked his fans in the teeth. >Why should we spend OUR money to line his >pockets. All he seems to care about is >exploting the Hawkwind fans. > >So I say.... DON'T BUY HIS SOLO CD >Let him know you aren't going to >take this kind of treatment. > >It's the fans that made him-- >it's the fans that can break him! > >Power to the Hawkwind fans! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From bart at ENGAGE.NU Sun Oct 7 17:19:18 2001 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:19:18 +0200 Subject: HW: the dot com tragedy In-Reply-To: <20011007205218.86388.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't really know how to deal with this. I was off-list for a few months, resubscribed last wednesday and than this happends...it makes me feel sad. I do not know who is wrong or who is right. I listen to HW with pleasure I like Nik's solo projects and his collaborations with other artists. I had a great time during the Hawkestra last year, and hope to have a great time as I will be travveling to London for the RFH-gig this wednesday. I hate it to see the people fight who i considerd to be "heroes", and it makes me sad to see fans quarrel over this. bart | I can't remember my own name | I think I've gone insane | | ENGAGE! Tactical Media | Bemuurde Weerd WZ3 NL-3513 BH Utrecht | tel: +31 (0)30 2387516 gsm: +31 (0)6 24798780 | fax: +31 (0)30 2387517 http://www.engage.nu/tm/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 7 17:33:03 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:33:03 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com Message-ID: Dear Alice, I'm now pissed, and I wish you'd stop your barking. I like playing out of tune! jt . R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com > > Yeah, gotta love that dog. > > I think there's a section later in between songs where one of the band > says > > something about a "dog has swallowed some broken glass", and I get so > happy > > that finally that stupid dog will quit barking now that he's got glass in > > his throat. > > So has anybody else heard that? Or was I dreaming again while I listened > to > > some Hawkwind? > > Yea, right! > > They never claimed that it is high quality recording and they played very > well on this one. > > Nik and Co were completely out of tune on their live recording. > > Alice > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 7 18:16:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:16:38 +0100 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" Message-ID: end October, Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" > Hello! > > I wonder if this album was released or not? And if yes, is it available > elsewhere? > > regards, > Alice From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 7 17:51:50 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:51:50 -0400 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <200110071905.PAA17891@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Rik Rx wrote: => period. The comment that Andy was "shabbily treated" would be true if he was => the sole recipiant of the letter. However, what Andy received was a COPY of => a note sent to Douglas as the site owner, so that he was in posession of all => the facts. I think part of my misinformed impression stems from the fact that the letter (at least forwarded to BOC-L) was addressed to Andy and CC: to Doug, making it seem (incorrectly, it seems) that the letter was sent to Andy and a copy to Doug, not the other way around. I should not have taken that at face value, I guess. Next time I'm sent a "past due" notice addressed to me and CC:d to the billing department, I'll assume it's intended for them and not pay. ;-) => I find it hard to believe that you really thought the band would really act => in that manner. Once again, I repeat that the letter was *copied* to Andy => for reference as a matter of courtesy. Like I said, that's not the way it appeared in the version that was posted to BOC-L. But at least now I know how it was supposed to be. => For your => information I have been in contact with today, and as such, am on good terms => with him. This is very welcome news indeed. As long-time members on here can attest, Andy is a good bloke, and some of the things of which he's been accused publicly here recenty are wholly uncharacteristic. => This would be true, if the facts were as you assumed. Your observations are, => however, quite innacurate as they are based on quite limited information. That is true. There are two sides to every story, and the truth lies somewhere in between. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 7 18:23:57 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:23:57 +0100 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: errr.......excuse me - is everyone forgetting about the MUSIC - after all, isn't that why we are here - shine on, I mean just because a load of political stuff's going down doesn't mean to say that it diminshes the quality of the music coming from all sides - and both sides have produced occasional lapses - I mean to say, many of you were/are falling over yourselves with praise for Nik's Cleo works and there's the excellent 'Transglobal' to balance the appalling '2001' debacle, but on the other side we had the not quite so bad but still, at ?13 a throw, ropey quality 'Glasto' CD balanced by the rather incredible 'Spacebrock' album - so whoever you agree with, if you feel you have to take sides, don't forget the reason why we are all here and don't fer chrissakes do anything silly. Music vs politics - no friggin' contest!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: .com > It's very sad for me to see this list falling apart on this question... > > The real true band, Hawkwind leading by Brock, should be giving full > support. And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim > themselves "honest people". > > Maybe I should sign off this list... > > Alice From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 7 18:42:12 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:42:12 +0100 Subject: HW- Andy G letting you know Message-ID: Now I would normally stay out of commenting here, but seeing as how my name came up (below), it seems fair to alert you all to a few salient points: 1) Never at any time prior to release did Ozit give CD Services any indication of the quality of the CD they issued (the "2001" thing). Had we had a chance to hear it first, we would absolutely 100% have let anyone who ordered this item know what they were getting. 2)Since then we have let it be known our feelings about this CD - in retail terms, simply saying what it is and letting the audience make up their mind - I'm afraid it is not our duty to refuse to sell it but merely to be as open and honest as possible 3)Ozit have not approached us (yet) to do any similar mail-outs for the Greasy Truckers event, therefore I have not seen any of the fliers that were spoken about the other night. A couple of weeks ago, we did get a load of publicity material from them, but the quality of it was poor so we have not passed it on. 4We will now greet any request for publicising the event with caution as there appears to be no 'guarantee' that what they are publicising is what will be seen, based on what I am seeing from their camp right now. I do not wish to get involved with the politics of the bands - we are here for the music, no matter who produces it. We admittedly criticised the Voiceprint 'Glastonbury' album for quality, and thoroughly laid into the Ozit '"2001" Turner debacle once we knew. It is not our intention to take sides but to work as smoothly as possible with everyone who makes the music, for that, in my eyes, is what it is all about. But we will remain as honest as possible and retain our credibility as the number one source for all things Hawkwind. Thank you, Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: HW: irc chat transcript > andy garibaldi could tell you when it was sent out > Yes please send that one as well, they try to keep this stuff away from us From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR Sun Oct 7 18:11:43 2001 From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:11:43 +0200 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Answers to various answers: > You're sounding dangerously like Jerry Falwell, now. Who's that guy? > This violence is our fault? Not directly your fault or our fault, because I include myself and I include Europe into the arrogant occidental people. We all share the responsibility of doing nothing or very little and letting 2/3 of the planet live the way they live. Because of our errors past and present. We are sometimes event 100% responsible, both economically and environmentally. > Perhaps we should go a little further back into history. It's > very easy to make an equally valid argument that all the > things you are complaining about are the legacy of British > and French colonialism. I agree. This is one of the causes. Imagine, we had yesterday the FIRST football game between France and Algeria, since 1962! And there was a still a lot of tension. We can see the consequences of what we -the French- did to Africa and in southern Asia (in Vietnam before you) during colonialism. I am ashamed of this. > Ah. Then these days, the world's most arrogant people would > be the Malaysians, yes? Not all the people. The leaders of Malaysia, and their strange mix of Islam and money... > I'm sorry but I'm not getting this blame the victim line of > argument here. Nobody's perfect but I suppose next you'll be > spouting this nonsense that the Israelis are terrorists too. > Repressive maybe, but not terrorists. Sharon was responsible at the time of Sabra and Shatila. Sharon's visit to the third holiest site in Islam triggered the new intifada. Say no more! > spoken like a true frenchman...take that as you will > Then unsubscribe... Gee, these were arguments! I'm impressed ;-) Regards, Jean-Charles From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 7 18:46:13 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:46:13 +0100 Subject: Pissed Off on a Sunday Message-ID: Yes, this is a pain, but just to make it slightly less of an issue, I can say in all honesty that, since I set up my own CD label and started doing all this stuff, I can see the occasionally valid reasons why some albums never make it on time - to those who think getting a CD out is a piece of cake, when you are doing it 'properly' (as opposed to a CD-R), let me tell you, it ain't necessarily so, although the 'big boys' should get it right a bit more, but then you can't, whoever you are, allow for the pressing plant losing your artwork or cocking it up. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark cotton" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Pissed Off on a Sunday IHMO, however, he'd > be better off kicking ass with some of his record companies who keep wasting > our (and Any Garibaldi's) time in delaying release dates. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 7 19:51:09 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:51:09 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <001f01c14f7d$0cac2880$c427e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: >Not directly your fault or our fault, because I include myself and I >include Europe into the arrogant occidental people. We all share the >responsibility of doing nothing or very little and letting 2/3 of the >planet live the way they live. Because of our errors past and present. >We are sometimes event 100% responsible, both economically and >environmentally. Oh, so you're either a victim or a cause, is that it? There's no arguing with that kind of logic. > >Not all the people. The leaders of Malaysia, and their strange mix of >Islam and money... What about their people who support them or do not oppose them violently? Aren't they doing nothing to stop this blasphemy? (sorry, just too stoopid to resist) > > I'm sorry but I'm not getting this blame the victim line of >> argument here. Nobody's perfect but I suppose next you'll be >> spouting this nonsense that the Israelis are terrorists too. >> Repressive maybe, but not terrorists. > >Sharon was responsible at the time of Sabra and Shatila. Sharon's visit >to the third holiest site in Islam triggered the new intifada. Say no >more! Who is Sharon? Was he in the WTC when it was attacked? This whole line of thinking is skewed. Terrorism doesn't work! These people and their supporters will be crushed. We have no choice. Afterwards we'll have to help the people who are serious about improving the conditions of their people get it together. Al From DGreenhalg at AOL.COM Sun Oct 7 20:56:54 2001 From: DGreenhalg at AOL.COM (On the Road Again) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:56:54 EDT Subject: HW: Domain Names - A Suggestion Message-ID: People, enough already. Like most of the people on here I don't know Andy, but I do know Welcome to the Future. It was one of the best band-sites going. I want to see the content back, somewhere, anywhere. So a suggestion. If Andy can't have Hawkwind.com, and fair enough, that *should* belong to the band, let's just find something else he *can* have. Someone said Hawklords.net or similar is up for grabs for 50 dollars or so. There are people on this list who pay hundreds of dollars to fly half way round the world to see Hawkwind. Surely we can stump up a dollar each to buy the name and hosting fees. If Andy is willing, and if the band give a reconciliatory gesture of allowing him to use the imagery and iconography, then Andy can get out the middle of row that is really nothing to do with him. We get the resource back and the lawyers for Dave and Doug can have their little spats in private. OK, maybe Andy would have to do a search to make sure that the "O" word is missing from all the banners, but that's not a chore, surely. Let's stop throwing bricks at each other, get "Welcome to the Future" and Mission Control working side-by-side and we ordinary mortals can get back to talking about music with two high quality reference sources for the arguments about the musical merits of Nik. Maybe this fracas could even get the Codex back in band favour. Bootlegs are out there, like it or not. I've got them, you've got them, hell, even "XXX" has *asked* for copies on this list in the past. They can only eat into the band's financial interest when they are better quality than the "official" live releases, such as they are. Another disjointed rant from the desk of Dave (G not B) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 7 21:08:52 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:08:52 EDT Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/01 3:52:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time, soltanic at YAHOO.COM writes: > <> > How so? Did I miss some info, or am I just "thick as a whale omelet" << Why should we spend OUR money to line his > pockets. All he seems to care about is > exploting the Hawkwind fans.>> > I'd rather line Dave's pockets than some Company Big-Shot. Seems to me, he's more interested in getting 'official' (however that is defined) product out, instead of dodgy crap. REALISM TIME: Dave & Co. are doing this to make money. <<> So I say.... DON'T BUY HIS SOLO CD > Let him know you aren't going to > take this kind of treatment.>> > Then I assume you will not be buying any new Hawkwind releases, and that you will get rid of your old stuff?? <<> It's the fans that made him-- > it's the fans that can break him! > > Power to the Hawkwind fans!>> > Yeah, break him! Drive him out! No more Brock, no more Hawkwind, no more Hawkwind fans!! . . . er . . . wait . . . Joe From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Oct 7 21:58:54 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:58:54 -0600 Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel Message-ID: I guess I'll have to buy two copies of his solo album, as I certainly intend to support the band. Please realize that lawyers often do things in a business-like manner, and that they are usually not sensitive to emotions. Was Mr. Brock the author of that letter? Or was it some lawyer working on his behalf? Then maybe we should boycott the next album of the lawyer in question, and continue to enjoy the music of Dave Brock. Do you think that Dave specifically requested the lawyers proceed with extreme prejudice and recover the domain www.hawkwind.com so that all the fans could be intimidated and disheartened? Or do you think that Dave was advised that there was a precedent for the band to reclaim the domain www.hawkwind.com and thus ensure that no further promotion of Nik's "Hawkestra" stuff could be misconstrued as being with consent of the band? I rather feel that Dave gave permission to proceed, hoping that the website would either stop promoting Nik or else clearly state that it is a fan site, which would necessitate changing its URL from www.hawkwind.com to something less officious. So if anybody is angry, get angry at the right people. I enjoy Nik's music, but if he's just doing old songs, then why try to link it up to Hawkwind? They did the Hawkestra gig already, and it's time to move on and do new music. I would love to go the Nik gig, but I don't really see why he needs to call it Hawk. If there really are two bands right now that represent Hawkwind, then which one truly deserves the name? If Nik's Nikwind wants to be accepted as a bonafide musical entity, then will they be doing some new music at the upcoming gig? Will they release a studio album sometime in the future? Or are they only planning to rehash out old songs in live gigs henceforth? If so, then is this going to benefit the name Hawkwind, and bring more fans to Hawkwind music? I think it's time for cooler heads to prevail. This did not need to be dragged out in the open forum. I see nothing in the open forum regarding Ron Tree & Jerry Richards, both of whom I hope will make their way back to Hawkwind one day (if indeed they've ever left). Don't forget that Huw was part of Nik's gig last year (and was supposedly planned to be on the bill this year for a short time), and he's back in Hawkwind now, so it's not the case that Dave hates all people who help Nik out. I doubt therefore very much that Dave hates any fan who helps / promotes / enjoys Nik's music. He just doesn't want to leave the impression that Hawkwind (the official band) supports Nik's efforts to create another Hawkwind. Remember, right now there is only one viable Hawkwind entity. Only one is an active creative unit. Nik's efforts will exist not to create new artistic work, will it? So then why call it Hawkwind (or Hawkestra)? Can't he just call it Uncle Nik and ? Then we can all have a great time enjoying the memories that they evoke while doing their versions of old Hawkwind numbers. Nik's okay with me, but he should be careful not to seize controls of the Mothership, and that's all Dave's trying to stop. Sorry this is so lengthy. But I certainly was disturbed to see Hawkwind fans rallying anti-Brock sentiments..... Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Shaw To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel > Dave Brock has kicked his fans in the teeth. > Why should we spend OUR money to line his > pockets. All he seems to care about is > exploting the Hawkwind fans. > > So I say.... DON'T BUY HIS SOLO CD > Let him know you aren't going to > take this kind of treatment. > > It's the fans that made him-- > it's the fans that can break him! > > Power to the Hawkwind fans! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 7 23:12:12 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:12:12 -0600 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> I don't think you played on that one, Lord Bajina..... your out of tune is a great out of tune..... That Bajina disc sounded really spaced out and cool, I just couldn't get the co-occupant of musicouch to shut-up shut-up I'll go it alone next time Feel sorry for Nik on that one, don't think it was his doing. but even if it was, it's amusing lurve Mike "all this is great, and much better than peace" C From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 7 23:31:29 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (and peace is OK too) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:31:29 -0600 Subject: Andy talked to Rik In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Peace Solutions Better things to come from upheavals Andy should be proud Lot of support he got impressive mike From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 7 22:38:27 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 03:38:27 +0100 Subject: HW- Andy G letting you know In-Reply-To: <013101c14f81$4f06b660$4b98bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <013101c14f81$4f06b660$4b98bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Now I would normally stay out of commenting here, but seeing as how my name >came up (below), It was innocent enough- the conversation was about fliers for the Greasy Truckers show. I had received some from cd-services, so when Kris/Dave asked when they were made, I thought you might know. There was no implication that you were in any way remiss. For the record I admire your honesty in telling it like it is re. the Turner 2001 Odyssey release, as I'm sure it would have been a much bigger moneyspinner for you had it just been given a standard favourable review. Any idea when the Undisclosed Files metal shield is being sent out? cheers -- Nick Medford From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 7 22:46:10 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:46:10 EDT Subject: HW: Domain Names - A Suggestion Message-ID: Wow...after days of legal briefs and obtuse ravings comes a constructive suggestion... I'd be happy to foot the whole 50 dollars if this matter could be so easily resolved. I'd really like to see everybody win here. Andy has run a great site, and I would want to see it return in a new "unofficial" guise. And I'd like to thank Andy for providing so much timely info to so many for quite a while now, and for his hard, constant work on the site. However I totally respect Hawkwind's interest in controlling what online info is disseminated to its fan base in its name, and feel that the band is deserving of owning the info that goes on a site bearing their name. And I can't imagine that any fan of the band isn't sympathetic to the position that Hawkwind found themselves in when "their" site was hosting a page promoting The Greasy Truckers Event featuring "Members of the Hawkestra." At any rate I feel sorry for any idiot (let the flame wars begin) that has the unmitigated gall to encourage Hawkwind fans on this list to boycott Dave brock's album over Hawkwind asserting their ownership of their own name. This list is a tribute to Hawkwind and the brilliance of Dave Brock over the past 30 years. Let's try and keep that straight at least. And let's try to put the old Hawkwind.com site back on the net with a new domain name. What does Andy think? Any interest in keeping it going for the fans who do appreciate it with a change of web-address? This fan and Dave Greenlhalg would welcome it back. Thanks for reading, Eli Friedman In a message dated 10/7/01 8:08:31 PM, DGreenhalg at AOL.COM writes: << People, enough already. Like most of the people on here I don't know Andy, but I do know Welcome to the Future. It was one of the best band-sites going. I want to see the content back, somewhere, anywhere. So a suggestion. If Andy can't have Hawkwind.com, and fair enough, that *should* belong to the band, let's just find something else he *can* have. Someone said Hawklords.net or similar is up for grabs for 50 dollars or so. There are people on this list who pay hundreds of dollars to fly half way round the world to see Hawkwind. Surely we can stump up a dollar each to buy the name and hosting fees. If Andy is willing, and if the band give a reconciliatory gesture of allowing him to use the imagery and iconography, then Andy can get out the middle of row that is really nothing to do with him. We get the resource back and the lawyers for Dave and Doug can have their little spats in private. OK, maybe Andy would have to do a search to make sure that the "O" word is missing from all the banners, but that's not a chore, surely. Let's stop throwing bricks at each other, get "Welcome to the Future" and Mission Control working side-by-side and we ordinary mortals can get back to talking about music with two high quality reference sources for the arguments about the musical merits of Nik. Maybe this fracas could even get the Codex back in band favour. Bootlegs are out there, like it or not. I've got them, you've got them, hell, even "XXX" has *asked* for copies on this list in the past. They can only eat into the band's financial interest when they are better quality than the "official" live releases, such as they are. Another disjointed rant from the desk of Dave (G not B) From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Sun Oct 7 23:45:10 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:45:10 -0400 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: <001f01c14f7d$0cac2880$c427e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Jean-Charles Moriaud wrote: >> You're sounding dangerously like Jerry Falwell, now. > >Who's that guy? One of our home-grown fundamentalists. He made several remarks on a fundie television program suggesting that Americans have finally become "un-Christian" enough to make God 'lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.' 'I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."' >> This violence is our fault? > >Not directly your fault or our fault, because I include myself and I >include Europe into the arrogant occidental people. We all share the >responsibility of doing nothing or very little and letting 2/3 of the >planet live the way they live. Because of our errors past and present. >We are sometimes event 100% responsible, both economically and >environmentally. This sounds like you're advocating more imperialism and colonialism. It's our job to go into these countries and force them into the 21st century? That's exactly what we're about to do in Afghanistan. *sigh* I'm not going any further into this except to quote Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, who appeared on NBC's Meet The Press this morning: 'I find that there's a whole group of people here who want to hijack the hijackers for their own political agenda.' And from his 5 October column: 'Is it America's fault that Korea had the same per capita income in the 1950's as many Arab states, but Korea has managed its development so much better since that it now dwarfs all Arab economies? Afghanistan is run by a medieval Taliban theocracy that bans women from working or going to school. How could such a place not be poor? And who was the biggest protector of that backward Taliban society? Osama bin Laden and his men.' And Jerry Seib of The Wall Street Journal: 'Today, the key is to see the ultimate goal of Mr. bin Laden's deadly game. U.S. officials who have studied him closely think his paramount objective is to overthrow the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and replace them with regimes consistent with his view of militant Islamic governance. That would give him and his followers control over the Islamic world's most holy sites and richest resources-Saudi Arabia's cities of Mecca and Medina and the kingdom's vast oil fields-and the Islamic world's only nuclear bomb in Pakistan.' >> Ah. Then these days, the world's most arrogant people would >> be the Malaysians, yes? > >Not all the people. The leaders of Malaysia, and their strange mix of >Islam and money... But you had just blamed the people working in the WTC for their own deaths. So when the people are all brown, it's the leaders' fault, but when the people are largely white it's the people's fault? >Sharon was responsible at the time of Sabra and Shatila. Sharon's visit >to the third holiest site in Islam triggered the new intifada. Say no >more! Again, from Friedman's 5 October column: 'Yes, there is no question, America's support of Israel - even when Israel builds greedy, provocative settlements in the heart of the Gaza Strip - has produced understandable Muslim anger. But the argument doesn't end there. America has also taken the lead role in trying to reverse this situation. We know the Sept. 11 attack was being planned a year ago - exactly when President Clinton was proposing to Yasir Arafat a Palestinian state on roughly 95 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem - with the Israeli settlers uprooted from all but 5 percent. In other words, this terrorism was being planned because America was trying to build Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, not because it wasn't.' -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. - Woodrow Wilson, War Messages, 2 April 1917 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 7 22:44:06 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:44:06 -0400 Subject: HW: beat.dead.horse.com Message-ID: Hi Folks... I really don't want to be posting this at all, given that there's so much stuff already written here that I can't even wade through it myself, and here I am adding to it. But I feel compelled to respond to my own response at least on a few matters. First off, I wish to apologize to Rik (Rx) as I rather acted like - "Who is this guy and what can we expect from him?" - when in retrospect I do remember seeing his name appear here before occasionally (I'm still in the dark about what cy-b.org is though, and how they became affiliated with HW), and his recent posts have been very reasonable and helpful to understand the exact situation. Of course, I, like Paul M. (and presumably a majority of folks), read the heading of the 'letter' to mean that it was directed towards Mr. Gilham and just cc'd to DS, and don't know why those names would be switched on any copy. (That's not how it's supposed to be done, is it?) Well, whatever, it seems as though cooler heads are prevailing and hopefully tomorrow the sun will arise over the smoke in Afghanistan. Additionally, I don't support the idea that this Public Relations fiasco (limited basically to ourselves and those who happen to stroll by the WWW archive, so it will quickly pass) is a big enough event to even think about doing anything silly like: selling everything I own in protest, or saying that any member(s) of the band/management is now so criminal or hated to think that boycotts should be emplaced. And that works the other way too - I don't agree that anyone is so virtuous and untouchable that anything without their contribution tarnishes the good name of the band. Of course, those individuals who persist in bootlegging material and intentionally misusing/misrepresenting the name Hawkind should always be fought against. I'm not even going to try to assume I know who those people are (we all have our guesses, but can we be absolutely sure *they're* the ones?), but we'd like to see the efforts of the Hawkwind management/lawyers go against *these* people first and foremost. HW.com I still contend wasn't remotely the right place to fight that battle; it was still a petty argument IMHO 'cause I imagine that indeed it was the 'advertising' of Nik events that spurred the letter's creation. But I guess that's all water under the bridge now... I can only speak for myself, but my strong statements condemming the 'letter' were primarily based on the following... 1. While not knowing Mr. Gilham personally (although I think we probably met at the Beehive briefly, but then I met a lot of people I don't remember - that's the fault of the English ales, not that you weren't all memorable!), I've had enough email correspondence/dealings with him to know that he ain't out to hurt the band - that everyone agrees with I can see. 2. We, the fan, don't understand why that if certain individuals are so 'taboo' for the healthy operation of the band, why the hell are they either 'rehired' or brought back on board for special events? 3. Some of us remember the stink made over the Codex, and thought, "Oh no, this looks like the same thing all over again." 4. Some of us are quite cynical when it comes to things like lawyerspeak (which shouldn't be used in discussion of all things Hawkwind), and that 'letter' just doesn't seem to fit that which we think the group should be about. Some of us have spent like $20,000 on Hawkwind in our lifetimes, and have this strange idea that we 'own' a piece of the band in some respects, and so it's almost like that letter was coming from 'us' as well. 5. As was my point in my initial fit of pique (whatever that is), I have always been dismayed at a perceived (perhaps misguided) lack of attention by the band and its management to properly present new and reissued material into the marketplace to drown out the flotsam and jetsam that is the bane of our existence (*Another* Yuri Gagarin???). I know it's difficult to thwart these no-good opportunists, but I'd just be happy if the really good things that are magic to everyone's eyes are kept IN PRINT at least. I can't believe for one moment that a record company couldn't be encouraged to re-release certain things in sufficient quantities to make a profit. Yeah, I may not appreciate how much effort it takes, but it should be the number two priority, the first being the next album/live tour that will happen. Oh, yeah, some of us get a little sceptical of things actually happening as planned in the HW camp...but after twenty-plus years, we learn to expect that and just enjoy that which comes to pass with the enthusiasm it brings. Now let's get back to the one topic we can all agree on - Jerry Falwell *is* a complete idiot! Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 7 23:09:45 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:09:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Forwarded spam Message-ID: FYI...see below...no, I don't know whether this is written in French or English. Thank you for not asking...Grakkl (FAA) :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi, New issue out featuring : Pallas (interview) Hawkwind (study) Patrick Moraz (interview) Prog in Estonia (study) ... and 50 reviews. (FF 20, $3.00, ?2.00, E3.00) Order it now ! -- Progressively yours, Amiti?s progressives, Thierry ***************************************************************** New issue out! Ask for our guides and our new T-shirt! Visit our web pages: http://perso.club-internet.fr/acidrago/ad2.htm Take a look at our new trade list too: http://perso.club-internet.fr/acidrago/tradelist.htm ***************************************************************** Nouveau num?ro ! Nouveaux guides ! Nouveau T-shirt ! Visitez notre site : http://perso.club-internet.fr/acidrago/ad2fr.htm ***************************************************************** Acid Dragon, Thierry Sportouche, 20 rue ferrandiere, 69002 Lyon, France. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 7 23:23:06 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:23:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Quarkspace announcement Message-ID: Hi... Forwarding this piece of important information concerning the future of another SpaceRock entity whose domain name is as yet unchallenged. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Beware! Proceed with Caution! Certain person whose name begins with N and ends with K mentioned below in a statement seeming to reek of promotional intent! :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey folks, Just a note to our friends to let you know that Quarkspace is essentially retiring from live performance. The main reason is due the necessity for some members to concentrate more on personal issues, so time spent for Quarkspace has to be limited. Also, Quarkspace's next studio CD, Drop will be released on mp3 format for free at Quarkspace.com within the next few weeks. The CD format will be released into the public domain through various "tape traders" sometime soon after that. We hope to be able to have free CD copies of Drop available at our farewell show on Saturday November 17th at Ruby Tuesday (not the restaraunt) 1978 Summit St. in Columbus. We felt it a bit hypocritical at this time to commercially release a CD that has a bit of an anti-commercial lyrical bent. Of course, we stand behind Drop as the best Quarkspace release yet. We encourage everyone to try and make it out for these last shows, including our performance at Strange Daze 2001, October 26 and 27 in Cleveland at the Beechland and with Harvey Bainbridge and Mr. Quimby's Beard at Little Brothers in Columbus on Sunday October 21st. Once again, the dates of the farewell tour. Thursday October 11, Swindlefish, 24 1/2 E State St, Athens, OH 45701-2540. Sunday October 21, Little Brothers, Columbus OH with Harvey Bainbridge, Mr. Quimby's Beard and the Solar Fire Lightshow. Friday October 26 and Saturday October 27, Beechland Ballroom, Cleveland OH Strange Daze 2001 with Harvey Bainbridge, Mr. Quimby's Beard, Nik Turner, Alien Planetscapes, Nucleon, Drumplay and many, many more quality spacerock bands and the Solar Fire Lightshow doing lights. We play Saturday evening. Go to www.strange-trips.com for more info Saturday November 17th, Ruby Tuesday, 1978 Summit St. Columbus OH. The final show. We hope to play for about 4 hours with special suprises. As stated above, we also hope to have free copies of Drop (no jewel case or cover, sorry!) at this show. Don't worry. We aren't breaking up. The CD/comic book project with Matt Howarth is moving forward (any interested labels out there??), the spacefolds series is definitely continuing and may see an increase in the speed of releases, as we plan to concentrate on improvisation and development of those improvisations when we do get together. We still are planning the remix project and the second collection of Live Orion material. Expect some of the Quarkspace side projects to have more activity... (www.mp3.com/churchofhed). Obviously, Eternity's Jest Records, continues on, ready to release music and take your order. Thanks for the continued support. Hope to see you at these last shows. Keep a look out at www.quarkspace.com for the upcoming free release of Drop. Love, Quarkspace From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Oct 8 00:32:49 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:32:49 -0500 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: My personal opinion, for whatever it's worth is that Andy Gilham presented a valiant and sincere effort at promoting Hawkwind music through the Internet when at the time, the Internet may not have been recognized as such a powerful force when it came to disseminating information. Personally, when I discovered the Internet, it was a pleasure at the time to find out anything about Hawkwind, including tours, new albums, who was in the band at the time, etc., and this included Andy's web site and many others that he had links to. Hawkwind did not have an "official" web site at the time. The internet and Andy's web site included, made it possible to make other people aware that Hawkwind is still real band, and still tour. An awareness made to those of us who live from far reaches of the world. Hell, I spent money twice to travel to the UK to check out the band based on what I found out on the Internet, and enjoyed the interviews. I also enjoy the spinoffs, and even some alot Niks stuff and happen to wish I could make it to see ICU at the next "Hawkestra" .. So what. Seems like a Jammin time, though I am not stupid enough to think that the next Hawkestra event is to be confused with a Hawkwind concert. I like live music. Now that the Internet has become everyday life, however, I now think that Andy ought to let egos and any possible monetary gain out of it, if any. In the spirit of being kewl , hey! Just let the band have what is considered to be an official domain name and let your egos go! Let it go, and just let the real Hawkwind band have it, and go on with his (your) own official "fan" site perhaps, but not represent it as being official Hawkwind business. What's the big deal? That is all. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 8 04:00:44 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 04:00:44 -0400 Subject: HW.com / Glastonbury 90 Message-ID: Hw.com - if I hadn't already bought concert and rail tickets you wouldn't see me at any of the forthcoming shows. Andy Gilham has been treated in an appaling manner by a band I had some respect for. No more. G90 - absolute pish, sub bootleg recording, I might have paid a tenner for at a backstreet record fair, but not a full price CD in HMV. Which comments, just to remind everyone, got me abused, and near flamed, in high handed e-mail manner by Voiceprint when I uttered them last year. Just in case anyone thought HWs high handedness was a new thing. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 8 04:11:01 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 04:11:01 -0400 Subject: Hw.com Message-ID: For Andy Gilham, Andy, I own spaceritual.co.uk and you're welcome to it. Stuart From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 04:34:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:34:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Come on guys... Message-ID: Come on guys, let's have some common sense prevailing here.... Andy: you're a nice guy, I know, but in this case you *were* rather overstating the official status of 'Welcome to the future'. And of course Hawkwind should be allowed to have www.hawkwind.com back if they really want it - they're the band and we're just fans - I'm sure they'll pay any expenses incurred? *Please* reinstate WTTF on a different URL and both Hawkwind and the rest of us who run fan sites will all link to it on day one. You'll not lose visitors, HW will be happy, the lawyers will stay poor (hooray) and the only losers will be promoters of 'passing off' events. ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 07:42:01 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:42:01 +0100 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > Didn't the Brock camp release something last year in this same manner. > What was it Glastonbury 90, or some such thing where a dog barking was > more clear than the music? Not sure if that's it, I didn't buy that > one cause of the reports I heard on the sound. Yep, it was an audience tape from Glasters. I've talked to the guy who did the recording. Apparently some travellers were deliberately running their dogs around him, and the rest of the gig, to disrupt things. I figured that's where Dave got the "Let Sleeping Dogs Lie" title from, but only Dave can confirm that theory ;-) The sound isn't great, though not down to Yuri Gagarin levels, but it is an interesting gig. > Also, I don't know if Dave Brock has any right to that domain name. > Last I heard it was a common practice to register domain names and > force people to buy the rights. Which is what the "One In A Million" case referred to in the letter from Hawkwind's lawyer referred to. It's ruled illegal to do this in most of the obvious circumstances. > This wasn't being done here, but > probably could have been. I expect that the annoyance is at Nik's gigs and advertising of CD's. I like Nik. He's a nice guy and he does tend to put on stuff for the fans. However he does push it on trading on Hawkwind's reputation and he is pretty bad for putting out poor recordings on CD. OK, he has to make a living too, but he could make it a lot clearer that the gigs aren't the official Hawkwind and that the CD's certainly aren't. That said, I think the endless releases by Dave Anderson's crew have done a lot more damage to Hawkwind's reputation. I'd rather see that stopped now that the lawyers have been asked to Choose Their Wigs. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 07:49:19 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:49:19 +0100 Subject: HW FW: Hawkwind domain In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 02:09:08 -0500 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > I guess this is mostly over the listing of Nik's gig, right. Which > has what 10 former HW members in it, I didn't actually count I guess. > What kind of stupid HW fan would want to know about that kind of gig? > I'd hate to be bothered with news about a gig like that. Well yeah. The circle turns. I remember the old days after I'd become a fan and Hawkwind broke up in 1978. Then there were the Hawklords and Kittyhawks while the same argument was running over who owned the Hawkwind name. > Whatever I guess. I'll always love the music they made, but I lost > some respect for the people today. They're guys who play in a band, not Zen Masters. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:20:39 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:20:39 +0100 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Guido N. Vacano's message of Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:57:35 -0600 Message-ID: Guido N. Vacano writes: > This all reminds me of when Mike Holmes was compelled to stop > publishing his Codex, because of similar legal nonsense. I'll agree that the first message send to me from Griffin was legalistic and heavy handed. I would point out however that Rob did quickly accept that he was wrong on the Codex issue, and had been misled by my never having bothered to post a date or copyright claim on it. (Rob did a kind of mini-codex in one of the books he released with the Griffin CD's). On the lyrics issue I agreed to back down and cease email distribution due to Rob's claim that having the lyrics as part of the packaging was a big selling point for Griffin's material. I have always had every respect for what Rob and Griffin were doing and after a quick exchange of email I'm certain there were no hard feelings. Of note though: I did later end up chatting about this to a lawyer friend. He said that where a fan attempts to transcribe lyrics from a record they've bought, it's legal to publish that transcript as a private work. It's illegal only to claim that they are in any way an official version of the song lyrics. I wouldn't want to be the one to test this in Court, but it does sound reasonable. > Guido FoFP From achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 8 08:18:23 2001 From: achad13 at HOTMAIL.COM (dave evans) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:18:23 +0100 Subject: Gilham Vs Hawks Message-ID: Ho Hum at least it's on topic i suppose ( unlike all the political crap- please no more of it; bear in mind that the bigger the daily digest mail the more it costs those of us who pay for downloading by modem; if i want politics i go to political lists, i don't especially want to download pages of waffle about it here.... i posted a reply last week about the Trade Centre thing but it didn't appear, possibly because it was very cynical and harsh, but one of the points was, especially in Calvert's time, the Hawks lyrics were very anti-American, so is this really the place for such stuff anyway?) Whatever. 3 observations on the doctor tantrums: If Dave Brock owned "Andygilham.com" or equivalent then AG's reaction would have been exactly the same as he's just got from the band and management, and there would have been no hawkwind website without the band being in existence FIRST If Brock was really into exploiting the fans then the truly official hawkwind band-approved web pages would be a pay site, selling limited edition recordings of every last fart, cough and synthesiser warble. If I had 50 or 100 dollars (sadly not) I'd gladly send it to Andy Gilham to buy the other domain name and to shut everyone the F--- up, it's really getting very tedious now, stuff that many of us left behind in school playgrounds some time ago And if people are that big a fan then they will keep their records and go to the gigs; that's what grown-ups would do, anyhow- I'm within an hour of London right now and am gutted that I can't go to the gig this week, I first saw the Hawks in 81 and this feels like my right arm's missing to not be there.....I would love to have the CHOICE to say "oh, no, I won't go, I'll put the toys back in my pram instead" much more of this, and all that offlist politics and general America the beautiful stuff and I (plus several others I know) are going to unsubscribe until people grow up thanks Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:23:28 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:23:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind domain In-Reply-To: Colm McWilliams's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:06:30 +0100 Message-ID: > > THE ALBUMS EVERYBODY WANTS, NOBODY CAN GET. THE ALBUMS THAT ARE > > ILLEGAL AND CRAPPY, ARE EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.* It's a serious issue too. I was at a barbecue over the summer where someone mentioned that I was a Hawkwind fan. Someone else piped up that he'd just bought a live Hawkwind album where the sound was so bad he'd taken it back to the shop to complain and get a refund and that he couldn't understand why anyone would want to listen to them. It turned out he'd bought "Silver Machine Live" which was yet another release of Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:36:02 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:36:02 +0100 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times Message-ID: When the rest of the world was thinking that Osama Bin Liner was the very incarnation of Ernst Stavros Blofeld, with a secret underground base in Afghanistan and a worldwide network of crazy people ready to do his bidding at the drop of a coded message stegged into a "Huge Boobs" posting to alt.binaries.bints-in-burquas, I was already thinking that there might be a more apposite precursor. This was a guy in a not quite so secret fortress in Persia who had a bunch of dope-addled crazies ready to do his bidding and run a suicide mission to assassinate local potentates and dignitaries and thereby enter paradise. The Sunday Times has been channeling my thoughts and did a boxout on our very own Hassan I Sabha as Osama Bin Liner's role model. Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for Urban Guerilla being pulled. Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it totally topical. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:38:19 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:38:19 +0100 Subject: (Off) Joy/ 3d Doremi promos In-Reply-To: mike c's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 06:18:12 -0600 Message-ID: mike c writes: > I honestly hope it comes to ALL > > I hope it does > > me, I am scared of Anthrax > > and car bombs, and falling commercial fighterliners I'd be more worried about a more mundane attack such as a margarine truck in a long tunnel (see the Mont Blanc tunnel for details) or a truck full of ballbearings at a major highway intersection. The quickest way to kill the US economy now would be to make yanks scared to commute. -- An Evil Genius Friend of Fernando Poo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:45:08 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:45:08 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Keith Barton's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:21:02 +0100 Message-ID: Keith Barton writes: > > Better a shit recording than no recording > > And I trod in some during the gig. I wonder if it was the same dog? Wow! A Kollectors Item! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 08:47:17 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:47:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:24:07 +0100 Message-ID: > > Was anyone ever into this Terrahawks sci-fi series? It was a trip. ;) I was a Thunderbirds fan. Terrahawks is for kids. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 09:04:49 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:04:49 +0100 Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel In-Reply-To: Allen Shaw's message of Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:52:18 -0700 Message-ID: Could we just clam down, take a stress pill, and not add any more ammunition to an uncivil war? I'm sure that quite apart from the legal proceedings going on, the band an Andy will talk once everyone has calmed down. Let's not jinx that by any escalation. FoFP Allen Shaw writes: > Dave Brock has kicked his fans in the teeth. > Why should we spend OUR money to line his > pockets. All he seems to care about is > exploting the Hawkwind fans. > > So I say.... DON'T BUY HIS SOLO CD > Let him know you aren't going to > take this kind of treatment. > > It's the fans that made him-- > it's the fans that can break him! > > Power to the Hawkwind fans! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 09:17:04 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:17:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - A Suggestion In-Reply-To: On the Road Again's message of Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:56:54 EDT Message-ID: On the Road Again writes: > Maybe this fracas could even get the Codex back in band favour. As far as I'm aware, the Codex has never been either in band favour or disfavour. If anyone knows any different, I'd be interested to hear of it. As a matter of courtesy I sent Dave a copy of an early edition to let the band know what we were up to, but I've had no comment from them. The only incident concerning the Codex was a brief discussion with Rob Godwin concerning whether it breached copyright of his mini-codex. In the end we agreed that I'd published first and that there was definitely no copyright problem. Those who know me will understand when I say that if I'd ever been in an argument with anyone around here, you'd have heard of it by now. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 09:23:53 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:23:53 +0100 Subject: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > As long-time members on here can attest, Andy is a good bloke, and > some of the things of which he's been accused publicly here recenty > are wholly uncharacteristic. Absolutely. I hope that once heads have cooled, Andy and the band can talk and settle differences and hurt feelings. The lawyers are paid well enough to do the fighting. Let's leave them to it and pull the fallen from the field. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 09:24:55 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:24:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Come on guys... In-Reply-To: Steve Litchfield's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:34:00 +0100 Message-ID: Steve Litchfield writes: > Come on guys, let's have some common sense prevailing here.... > > Andy: you're a nice guy, I know, but in this case you *were* rather > overstating the official status of 'Welcome to the future'. And of course > Hawkwind should be allowed to have www.hawkwind.com back if they really > want it - they're the band and we're just fans - I'm sure they'll pay any > expenses incurred? *Please* reinstate WTTF on a different URL and both > Hawkwind and the rest of us who run fan sites will all link to it on day > one. Seconded. Let's settle all this crap as adults and get back to the music. FoFP From coral at APORT.RU Mon Oct 8 09:29:24 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:29:24 +0400 Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: > the endless releases by Dave Anderson's crew have done a lot more damage > to Hawkwind's reputation. I'd rather see that stopped now that the > lawyers have been asked to Choose Their Wigs. It would be good to make Anderson pay Hawkwind all money he robbed off them. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 09:37:06 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:37:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Come on guys... In-Reply-To: <200110081324.OAA28077@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just my two penn'orth... IIRC, Andy had hawkwind.com up and running before Mission Control, and a long time ago (coinciding with the release of Mission Control maybe?) removed any reference to the site being the "official" site. The was a court case recently in the US where Bruce Springsteen failed to have the domain name brucespringsteen.com returned to him, as the domain name was being used as a small Bruce Springsteen fan site, rather than being "squatted". So, given the precident of the Bruce Springsteen case, Andy is perfectly legally entitled to the domain name - however knowing Andy he'd have handed it over for use with Mission Control if he'd been asked, but as far as I'm aware, he wasn't asked, and it's not registered to him in person anyway. As has been said before, Andy's been caught in the crossfire here and really doesn't deserve ANY flak for this. From ANYONE. Cheers, Rich. > > Steve Litchfield writes: > > > Come on guys, let's have some common sense prevailing here.... > > > > Andy: you're a nice guy, I know, but in this case you *were* rather > > overstating the official status of 'Welcome to the future'. And > of course > > Hawkwind should be allowed to have www.hawkwind.com back if they really > > want it - they're the band and we're just fans - I'm sure > they'll pay any > > expenses incurred? *Please* reinstate WTTF on a different URL and both > > Hawkwind and the rest of us who run fan sites will all link to it on day > > one. > > Seconded. Let's settle all this crap as adults and get back to the > music. > > FoFP > From coral at APORT.RU Mon Oct 8 09:49:38 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:49:38 +0400 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times Message-ID: > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for > Urban Guerilla being pulled. > > Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it totally > topical. And get Hawkwind banned forever :). Alice From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 8 10:10:13 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:10:13 EDT Subject: BOC sat. In-Reply-To: <001601c14dde$be937da0$3027e4d5@bureau> Message-ID: Great B?C gig saturday night. Predictable setlist, but the performance and sound were excellent. The only surpirse was GAOL, which really rocked. CotHM tunes played were Pocket and TOGR, which really kicked ass. Seems like the 2 newer members have a lot more fun doing the tunes they had a hand in creating. Nostalgia fans might have liked the encore. Buck and EB came out with inexpensive Epiphone SG guitars, so I was expecting some variation on the 'crossed guitars' abuse from the old days. I figured maybe they were resurrecting BTBW for a few gigs, but then they ripped into ME262, which indeed included the guitar duel bet. EB and BD. Overall a great show. The material was old hat, for the most part, but the band really seemed to be having a good time up there. The sound was absoluteley the best in years, and finally, BD was loud enough! Bummer that we didn't get Flaming Telepaths or Teen Archer, though. Allen played guitar almost all night--a '52 Tele Reissue. He soloed in Harvest Moon and TCtLDoM, and did pretty well with it. Got a nice sound out of that Tele. Great to see Mike again, and thanks for the tickets. No Bolts of UNgodly Vision, though. Dude, you missed a great show. Setlist (from addled memory, likely out of sequence and ommitting songs): Stairway Before the Kiss Buck's Boogie Cof BFY Pocket TOGR HM TCtLDoM GAOL Godzilla Reaper ########## Encores: ME262 DaS They played a bit over an hour and a half. theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 7 15:11:26 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 20:11:26 +0100 Subject: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <050201c14eb5$e68e0a00$4c97bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >> Better a shit recording than no recording >> >> Bernhard I think there are 2 separate issues here. For the avid kollector like Bernhard the above is always going to be true. However there is a big difference between a tape that is circulated among a small circle of diehards, and something which pops up in your local CD emporium looking for all the world like a regular album. Less obsessive fans are likely to feel cheated if they spend their readies on something, only to find it's of unlistenable quality. I've never heard "Glastonbury '90" so don't know how good/bad the sound is, but some of the non-HW-sanctioned releases are about as cynical as these things get. -- Nick Medford From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 8 10:12:58 2001 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:12:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Northern Lights Setlist (10/6) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Oct 8 10:43:29 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:43:29 +0800 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: Captain Scarlet was even better. Then again, all the Anderson stuff is great (with the exception of Season 2 of Space 1999, & some of Space Precinct). William Subject: Re: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia > > > Was anyone ever into this Terrahawks sci-fi series? It was a trip. ;) > > I was a Thunderbirds fan. Terrahawks is for kids. > > FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 8 12:23:22 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:23:22 +0100 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times In-Reply-To: Alice's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:49:38 +0400 Message-ID: Alice writes: > > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for > > Urban Guerilla being pulled. > > > > Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it totally > > topical. > > And get Hawkwind banned forever :). It was their recode company that bailed during Urban Guerilla. This time they don't have one and could see it through. Just about every band that's ever had a single banned has done very well out of it *except* Hawkwind. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 8 13:02:04 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:02:04 EDT Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times In-Reply-To: <200110081623.RAA11664@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 8 Oct 2001, at 17:23, M Holmes wrote: > Alice writes: > > > > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up > > > for Urban Guerilla being pulled. > > > > > > Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it > > > totally topical. > > > > And get Hawkwind banned forever :). > > It was their recode company that bailed during Urban Guerilla. This > time they don't have one and could see it through. Just about every > band that's ever had a single banned has done very well out of it > *except* Hawkwind. > Seems to me that B?C particluarly enjoyed playing TOGR saturday night. And that song has pointedly apocalyptic lyrics. I'm curious at the outrage stirred by Divine Wind. I assume that folks are taking exception to the video. The song originally struck my as being pro-Japanese. Now that's a tune that would be amazing live. Anyone ever hear B?C do that song in concert? theo From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Oct 8 13:42:00 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Divine wind In-Reply-To: <3BC1A3C9.27010.CC7F72@localhost> Message-ID: >Seems to me that B?C particluarly enjoyed playing TOGR saturday >night. And that song has pointedly apocalyptic lyrics. > >I'm curious at the outrage stirred by Divine Wind. I assume that >folks are taking exception to the video. The song originally struck >my as being pro-Japanese. Now that's a tune that would be >amazing live. Anyone ever hear B?C do that song in concert? Isnt it on the "Black and Blue" film? a roadie or someone else wore an Ayatollah mask for the tune playing a rhythm guitar. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Oct 8 13:28:58 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:28:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Divine wind In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011008134200.00698ab8@pop.acmenet.net> Message-ID: Yep. I'm pretty sure it was a roadie. I wonder if the Osama bin Laden Halloween masks are out yet.... Although I think the fright would hit a little too close to home at this point to be tactful. Brian Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Isnt it on the "Black and Blue" film? a roadie or someone else wore an > Ayatollah mask for the tune playing a rhythm guitar. >> Seems to me that B?C particluarly enjoyed playing TOGR saturday >> night. And that song has pointedly apocalyptic lyrics. >> >> I'm curious at the outrage stirred by Divine Wind. I assume that >> folks are taking exception to the video. The song originally struck >> my as being pro-Japanese. Now that's a tune that would be >> amazing live. Anyone ever hear B?C do that song in concert? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 8 12:49:03 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:49:03 -0400 Subject: HW: NIK: OFF: Big Amongst Sheep Message-ID: Seen on Ebay...Grakkl (FAA) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1472033510 From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Oct 8 14:07:41 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:07:41 -0400 Subject: Divine Wind (was: Re: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times) Message-ID: > I'm curious at the outrage stirred by Divine Wind. I > assume that folks are taking exception to the video. The > song originally struck my as being pro-Japanese. And it originally struck me as being anti-Christian Fundamentalist, as a lot of the images seemed drawn straight from the anti-rock music tent revivals I was suffering through at the time. > Now that's a tune that would be amazing live. Anyone ever > hear B?C do that song in concert? Only on video, I'm afraid, although I'm hoping for it when they come down here next month. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 8 14:27:45 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:27:45 EDT Subject: Divine Wind (was: Re: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times) In-Reply-To: <20011008180741.SZDL26858.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> Message-ID: On 8 Oct 2001, at 14:07, Jean Lansford wrote: > > I'm curious at the outrage stirred by Divine Wind. I > > assume that folks are taking exception to the video. The > > song originally struck my as being pro-Japanese. > > And it originally struck me as being anti-Christian Fundamentalist, as > a lot of the images seemed drawn straight from the anti-rock music > tent revivals I was suffering through at the time. > I just watched the video again a few minutes ago. In the fine B?C tradition, it's suitably ambiguous. As the images shift, it can alternately be viewed as militaristic and pacifist, pro-west or pro- east. The point of the artist, no doubt... theo From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 14:30:32 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:30:32 +0100 Subject: Paging Keith Barton In-Reply-To: <200110081223.NAA00682@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi All, Is Keith Barton still out there? I haven't heard from him for a long time now - if anyone knows him, please can you ask him to contact Mark Edmonds about the CDs. Thanks, Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 14:30:32 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:30:32 +0100 Subject: It's them shields again... In-Reply-To: <200110081223.NAA00682@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Just picked myself up one of these heavy metal (no pun) shields and having never seen one before or knowing anything about it, please can I check I got the full works: I got a solid metal shield with a limited edition number on the back and a Undisclosed Files CD stuck in the rear recess. I am missing any part of the package? TIA, Mark From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 8 14:48:09 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:48:09 -0600 Subject: It's them shields again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nope. Another Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Mark Edmonds Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:31 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: It's them shields again... Just picked myself up one of these heavy metal (no pun) shields and having never seen one before or knowing anything about it, please can I check I got the full works: I got a solid metal shield with a limited edition number on the back and a Undisclosed Files CD stuck in the rear recess. I am missing any part of the package? TIA, Mark From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 14:57:44 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:57:44 +0100 Subject: HW: a few questions. Message-ID: Hi, All this talk of websites etc has prompted me to ask for some clarification of things that have always been a source of confusion for me and have never bothered to find out, so here goes .... 1. Who is Dale Churchett? 2. Who is Star Rats? (is 1 the answer to 2 and vice versa?) 3. What are either's (1 or 2 above) involvement with HW ? 4. Who is PikNik or do I mean Rix? (didn't PikNik do some photography for HW a decade ago?) 5. Who writes under the name of XXX? 6. Where does Doug Smith fit into the scheme of things nowadays? 7. Which site is which? Welcome To The Future, HW.COM, HW.org.uk, Mission Control etc. 8. Who is Captain Black? 9. Who owns EBS? None of these are particularly important but now seemed an opportune moment to ask. Jez From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 8 13:57:32 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:57:32 -0400 Subject: HW: a few questions. Message-ID: >Hi, >All this talk of websites etc has prompted me to ask for some clarification of >things that have always been a source of confusion for me and have never >bothered to find out, so here goes .... >1. Who is Dale Churchett? AFAIK, the original webmaster of hw.com when EBS was in charge. >2. Who is Star Rats? (is 1 the answer to 2 and vice versa?) Dale originally, but then I think that addy was more recently going to Andy Gilham. >3. What are either's (1 or 2 above) involvement with HW ? That's seems to be the issue under question. >4. Who is PikNik or do I mean Rix? (didn't PikNik do some photography for HW a >decade ago?) Dunno about PikNik...or Rix, unless for the latter you mean Rx, and that is how Rik R., the Mission Control webmaster signs his posts. >5. Who writes under the name of XXX? I have been assuming that it's usually either Kris or Dave. >6. Where does Doug Smith fit into the scheme of things nowadays? Persona non grata? Again. >7. Which site is which? Welcome To The Future, HW.COM, HW.org.uk, Mission >Control etc. WTTF is the same as hw.com? HW.org.uk is the new home of MC, so those are essentially the same as well. >8. Who is Captain Black? Keith Kniveton, currently Hawkwind keyboardist. >9. Who owns EBS? Doug Smiff I presume, though the label has been on hiatus for several years now it seems. How did I do? I, too, am curious if I know how everything is established in this realm. So correct me if I'm wrong. Grakkl (FAA) From sebastian at WELTON.DE Mon Oct 8 15:23:50 2001 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:23:50 +0200 Subject: From the London Evening Standard Message-ID: Going to London this weekend and wanted to see what was happening and this popped up Head south for head trip (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/visitors.html) by Arva Haider Looming big wheel aside, the South Bank isn't the first location you'd think of for a 'sonic trip'. But it is the setting for Mind Your Head, a festival exploring altered states in music between the 1960s hippy era and the present day. The trip commences on Wednesday, with headliners The Orb demonstrating the blunted ambient house that defined post-rave and which continues to inspire accolades from the chill-out set. Judging by their tour earlier this year, Alex Patterson and Co remain on fine form live, with a dreamy visual backdrop and probably a neverending rendition of their 1992 smash, The Blue Room. They're supported by somewhat hoary cosmic rockers Gong and Japanese 'new earth worshippers' Acid Mother Temple. Mind Your Head also expands to prog-rock legends Hawkwind with mental contemporary electronic combo Add N To (X) (Oct 10), satisfyingly terrifying krautrockers Faust (Oct 12) - hopefully they'll keep their clothes on this time - culminating with Pretty Things and The Soft Boys (Oct 19). The venue promises excellent acoustics and there's a healthy sense of humour. However, it's a shame the bill concentrates so heavily on flashbacks and throwbacks; more modern perspectives could've been fascinating. Perhaps the drugs really don't work like they used to. Mind Your Head. Until Oct 22, Royal Festival Hall, South Bank SE1, The Orb, Wed, 7pm, ?12.50 to ?17.50. Tel: 020 7960 4242 www.rfh.org.uk Tube: Waterloo/Embankment MfG / Best regards Sebastian Welton - sebastian at welton.de +------------------------------------+ www.welton.de *********** 0171 8880522 From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 8 15:48:17 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:48:17 +0100 Subject: From the London Evening Standard Message-ID: They'ev got the date wrong though (it's on the 11th according to the tickets and the RFH Web site!). --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Sebastian Welton To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: From the London Evening Standard > Going to London this weekend and wanted to see what was happening and > this popped up > > > Head south for head trip > (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/visitors.html) > > > by Arva Haider > Looming big wheel aside, the South Bank isn't the first location you'd > think of for a 'sonic trip'. But it is the setting for Mind Your Head, a > festival exploring altered states in music between the 1960s hippy era > and the present day. > > The trip commences on Wednesday, with headliners The Orb demonstrating > the blunted ambient house that defined post-rave and which continues to > inspire accolades from the chill-out set. Judging by their tour earlier > this year, Alex Patterson and Co remain on fine form live, with a dreamy > visual backdrop and probably a neverending rendition of their 1992 > smash, The Blue Room. They're supported by somewhat hoary cosmic rockers > Gong and Japanese 'new earth worshippers' Acid Mother Temple. Mind Your > Head also expands to prog-rock legends Hawkwind with mental contemporary > electronic combo Add N To (X) (Oct 10), satisfyingly terrifying > krautrockers Faust (Oct 12) - hopefully they'll keep their clothes on > this time - culminating with Pretty Things and The Soft Boys (Oct 19). > The venue promises excellent acoustics and there's a healthy sense of > humour. However, it's a shame the bill concentrates so heavily on > flashbacks and throwbacks; more modern perspectives could've been > fascinating. Perhaps the drugs really don't work like they used to. > > Mind Your Head. Until Oct 22, Royal Festival Hall, South Bank SE1, The > Orb, Wed, 7pm, ?12.50 to ?17.50. > Tel: 020 7960 4242 > www.rfh.org.uk > Tube: Waterloo/Embankment > > > > MfG / Best regards > > Sebastian Welton - sebastian at welton.de > +------------------------------------+ > www.welton.de *********** 0171 8880522 > From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 8 15:56:12 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:56:12 +0100 Subject: From the London Evening Standard Message-ID: I take that back - I can't read :-) It is on the 10th - I'm glad I saw that or I would not have been happy on Thursday morning... --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re: From the London Evening Standard > They'ev got the date wrong though (it's on the 11th according to the tickets > and the RFH Web site!). > > --- > Kevin Perry > The Mountain Grill > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sebastian Welton > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:23 PM > Subject: From the London Evening Standard > > > > Going to London this weekend and wanted to see what was happening and > > this popped up > > > > > > Head south for head trip > > (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/visitors.html) > > > > > > by Arva Haider > > Looming big wheel aside, the South Bank isn't the first location you'd > > think of for a 'sonic trip'. But it is the setting for Mind Your Head, a > > festival exploring altered states in music between the 1960s hippy era > > and the present day. > > > > The trip commences on Wednesday, with headliners The Orb demonstrating > > the blunted ambient house that defined post-rave and which continues to > > inspire accolades from the chill-out set. Judging by their tour earlier > > this year, Alex Patterson and Co remain on fine form live, with a dreamy > > visual backdrop and probably a neverending rendition of their 1992 > > smash, The Blue Room. They're supported by somewhat hoary cosmic rockers > > Gong and Japanese 'new earth worshippers' Acid Mother Temple. Mind Your > > Head also expands to prog-rock legends Hawkwind with mental contemporary > > electronic combo Add N To (X) (Oct 10), satisfyingly terrifying > > krautrockers Faust (Oct 12) - hopefully they'll keep their clothes on > > this time - culminating with Pretty Things and The Soft Boys (Oct 19). > > The venue promises excellent acoustics and there's a healthy sense of > > humour. However, it's a shame the bill concentrates so heavily on > > flashbacks and throwbacks; more modern perspectives could've been > > fascinating. Perhaps the drugs really don't work like they used to. > > > > Mind Your Head. Until Oct 22, Royal Festival Hall, South Bank SE1, The > > Orb, Wed, 7pm, ?12.50 to ?17.50. > > Tel: 020 7960 4242 > > www.rfh.org.uk > > Tube: Waterloo/Embankment > > > > > > > > MfG / Best regards > > > > Sebastian Welton - sebastian at welton.de > > +------------------------------------+ > > www.welton.de *********** 0171 8880522 > > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 8 16:05:45 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:05:45 -0400 Subject: HW: a few questions. Message-ID: I might not be the best person to answer these questions, but from what I've read over the weekend, I would guess the following (well OK, not all are guesses, some have become obvious :-) >1. Who is Dale Churchett? Apparently, the "administrative contact" for the hawkwind.com domain. >2. Who is Star Rats? (is 1 the answer to 2 and vice versa?) I used to wonder too. I now think it originally was Dale and that Andy took over the Star Rats e-mail when he took over the website? >3. What are either's (1 or 2 above) involvement with HW ? Well, Andy was a fan maintaining a fan site. Not sure if Dale had further contacts. Then of course the site in question was actually owned by Doug Smith. But I don't think there was actually direct involvement with the band? >4. Who is PikNik or do I mean Rix? (didn't PikNik do some photography for HW a decade ago?) Don't know PikNik. But if you mean Rik Rx, that seems to be the webmaster to the official HW website. >5. Who writes under the name of XXX? Hawkwind, ie. the bandmembers as a whole. In other terms, the official voice of the band :-) >6. Where does Doug Smith fit into the scheme of things nowadays? No idea, aside from the fact that he owns hawkwind.com. And EBS. >7. Which site is which? Welcome To The Future, HW.COM, HW.org.uk, Mission Control etc. Wecome to the future = hawkwind.com (not official) Mission Control = hawkwind.org.uk (official) >8. Who is Captain Black? *blank stare* >9. Who owns EBS? Doug Smith, I guess. Hmm. Did I forget anything? Alex *not a specialist, but who couldn't resist answering this* --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Mon Oct 8 15:49:16 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:49:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <200110081247.NAA12422@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Me too! AND Captain Scarlet is Back - but he would be, being indestructible!!!! ChrisW At 13:47 08/10/01, you wrote: > > > Was anyone ever into this Terrahawks sci-fi series? It was a trip. ;) > >I was a Thunderbirds fan. Terrahawks is for kids. > >FoFP From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR Mon Oct 8 16:09:27 2001 From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:09:27 +0200 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Message d'origine----- > De : BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] From: albert bouchard > > Oh, so you're either a victim or a cause, is that it? There's > no arguing with that kind of logic. I am afraid that life is neither black or white. I heard Bush saying this was war between good and evil. Another type of extremism. We were shocked and we are with the people of the USA, but we can't follow the government and most of his political, economical(ultra liberalism, ...) environmental (Tokyo,...) decisions. We need to suppress immediately the debt of the third world countries and abolish the fiscal paradises. We need to put in place the Tobin tax. We need to bring back a political control of the finance world. All this and more will way more efficient to reduce the number of terrorists in this world that cruise missiles. Looks like the strikes have started. I hope very much that Pakistan will not fall under the Muslims extremists one of these days as a consequence of these bombings. Not as a consequence of Bin Laden actions! > Terrorism doesn't work! I agree. But bombing Afghanistan will not work either. And why nothing against Saudi Arabia who is financing terrorism? Petrol is one if not the key of these actions, and few people talk about it. > These people and their supporters will be crushed. We have no > choice. Afterwards we'll have to help the people who are > serious about improving the conditions of their people get it > together. There's always a choice. There was a choice. And this is already looking ridiculous. TV images showing nothing like during the Gulf war. Journalists just repeating what Pentagon says. I nearly laughed this morning when I listened to the news when they reported that "37,000 meals dropped in Afghanistan Sunday and Monday". If this is not propaganda, how do you call this? Ronny Braumann, the ex-president of "M?decin sans fronti?res" said that this is the first time that the dropping have a color flag on them. This is too expensive normally. Pure propaganda I say... I leave the thread now. I hope that things will not propagate to the entire world. I wish my kids and yours can live in a better world. This is why I am supporting ATTAC. Have a look at www.attac.org. It was an honor to talk with you Al. I am glad that not like others, you don't take my mistakes in English for arrogant French words ;-) Cheers, MJC From christmu at EUNET.NO Mon Oct 8 16:16:33 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:16:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroy wholesome countries and mislead their children with... Message-ID: Hails To All, Star Rats, Oyster Heads, Other Deads, I put together a bunch of lists of favorite stuff, and I then thought: maybe someone else is game to join in on the idea: whats your favorite stuff to list, and does it make you feel any better about yourself? Why do you like all this old rubbish, and is it destructive to healthy, wholesome young minds? If so, would you use it against them? Anyway, here goes: Favorite 3 Colors, In No Particular Order: Red, Black, and Flashing Purple All Time Favorite Top 3 Drugs: 1. Methamphetamines 2. Cannabis 3. LSD The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost: 1. Aleister Crowley 2. David Bowie 3. Timothy Leary Top 10 All Time Favorite Bands: 1. Hawkwind 2. Voivod 3. Black Sabbath 4. 13th Floor Elevators 5. Van Der Graaf Generator/Peter Hammill 6. The Legendary Pink Dots 7. Chrome 8. TSOL 9. The Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band 10. Cathedral All Time Favorite 5 Rolling Stones songs, In No Particular Order: Street Fighting Man Sympathy For The Devil We Love You 2000 Light Years From Home Jumping Jack Flash Top 12 Favorite Comic Books, Living Or Dead, In No Particular Order: Master of Kung-Fu Miracleman Preacher The Adventures of Luther Arkwright Hellblazer Heavy Metal Swamp Thing 2000 A.D. Watchmen Zap! The One The Airtight Garage Favorite Major Wars, in No Particular Order: World War One 1913-1918, " For England's Glory..." World War Two, 1939-1945, "Deutschland Uber Alles..." The Viet-Nam War, 1962-1974, "Born In The USA..." Top 20 All-Time Favorite Feature Films, In No Particular Order: Performance Taxi Driver Hardware The Pit And The Pendulum (Corman) If... Starship Troopers Mad Max Alien Videodrome Don't Look Now Conan The Barbarian The Masque of Red Death (Corman) The Deer Hunter Blow-Up Reservoir Dogs A Clockwork Orange Himmel Og Helvete Up! Bad Lieutenant Wild At Heart Final Warning Message From The Heavy Metal Temple of Charlie Yuga, High Priest DeadLord and Dragon Warrior Of The Apocalypse: "Your Fancy McDonald's Happy Meal American Driver's Licence Won't Save You Here, All-American Football Hero, And Thats Even Though All Your Derelict Buddhas Smoked Grass For Your Lousy Fucking Country... Yes, Ye Lord Heavy Metal Hippy and Horny Leather and Spiked Mohawked Master of Battlefield Telepathy, Ye Blackest Lord of Fimbul Winter, Rest Your Weary Brow For A Moment... Now Get Your All-Conquering GodHead Ass High Again, Bring Your Beautiful Woman, Raise Your Monstrous Member And Fuck Her Like A True Krsna Lover, Hindu Dragon Warrior and Reptilian Thelemite, Lord Celestial Paramedic And Juggernauting Hashishin DragonSkin... Amen, Motherfucker, Amen, We Know You Enjoy It, Infinitely..." Signed, Charlie Yuga, Dragon DeadLord, 2001 A.D. --- Visit A Disease of The Mind at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/index.html - a library of rare pulp covers and other fallout from the 20th Century. "A Dragon and Centipede heralded The Apocalypse." - The Temple of The Blasphemers of Sodom "Mass culture was created for the purpose of Transmigration through mass Technology." - Mahatma Y2K "Nobody was wearing leather until I came along!" - Storm Zyklon "From 42nd Street to Washington Square, Marijuana is smoked everywhere." - Ancient Proverb of The Blasphemers of Sodom "Playing golf with a Brahman is better than shooting the shit with a Praner." - Tubrok The Alterer From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Mon Oct 8 19:45:22 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:45:22 -0700 Subject: HW: a few questions. In-Reply-To: <200110082005.QAA09209@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: > >6. Where does Doug Smith fit into the scheme of things nowadays? > >No idea, aside from the fact that he owns hawkwind.com. And EBS. I don't believe he is the sole owner of EBS, from reading other emails, there are five owners. He is one of the two "Directors" (not being familiar with UK law, I can only presume a director is empowered with some extra-special duties and rights) - can't seem to find/recall the other Director. Ali Davey, Dave Brock, and Richard Chadwick are the other three owners. > >8. Who is Captain Black? > >*blank stare* If I got my story straight, his real name is Keith Kniverton, who plays a VCS3 (or two) for Hawkwind. Additionally, as per one of his emails: "I take a line-out from Dave's guitar amp and feed it into Input 2 of the second EMS I use. The signal is then ring-modulated against a not-quite-pure sine wave, and fed through a filter. The cut-off of the filter is then tweaked in real time using a joystick". I believe he is a full fledged member now, after last years Hawkestra/Astoria gigs. Dave From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Oct 8 17:21:12 2001 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:21:12 EDT Subject: Divine Wind (was: Re: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/08/2001 2:08:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > And it originally struck me as being anti-Christian Fundamentalist, as a lot > of the images seemed drawn straight from the anti-rock music tent revivals > I was suffering through at the time. I thought the same thing at the time, when rock album burnings still made the news...it wasn't until I read the FAQ that I discovered it was about something else. SET From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Oct 8 18:03:21 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:03:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroy wholesome countries and mislead their children with... In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20011008220739.00961370@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, christmu at EUNET.NO wrote: >The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost: >1. Aleister Crowley Naw, man, he was the Beast of the Apocalypse. He said so. Hell, even his own mother said so. >Top 12 Favorite Comic Books, Living Or Dead, In No Particular Order: >Master of Kung-Fu >Miracleman >Preacher >The Adventures of Luther Arkwright >Hellblazer >Heavy Metal >Swamp Thing >2000 A.D. >Watchmen >Zap! >The One >The Airtight Garage No Hellstorm? Man, you have been deprived. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. - Woodrow Wilson, War Messages, 2 April 1917 From DGreenhalg at AOL.COM Mon Oct 8 18:27:29 2001 From: DGreenhalg at AOL.COM (On the Road Again) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:27:29 EDT Subject: HW: Domain Names - A suggestion (and apology to Mike) Message-ID: My misunderstanding, Mike. I'd forotten where the problems youhad earlier came from. Sorry if I confused or confounded. Dave -------------------------- As far as I'm aware, the Codex has never been either in band favour or disfavour. If anyone knows any different, I'd be interested to hear of it. As a matter of courtesy I sent Dave a copy of an early edition to let the band know what we were up to, but I've had no comment from them. The only incident concerning the Codex was a brief discussion with Rob Godwin concerning whether it breached copyright of his mini-codex. In the end we agreed that I'd published first and that there was definitely no copyright problem. Those who know me will understand when I say that if I'd ever been in an argument with anyone around here, you'd have heard of it by now. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Oct 8 19:27:31 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:27:31 -0400 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times Message-ID: Alice wrote: > > > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for > > Urban Guerilla being pulled. > > > > Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it totally > > topical. > > And get Hawkwind banned forever :). > > Alice nah,let's just blame it on Nik; yeah...he made us do it... tim From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Oct 8 20:10:03 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:10:03 EDT Subject: HW: NIK: OFF: Big Amongst Sheep Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/2001 2:06:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Seen on Ebay...Grakkl (FAA) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& for any interested in this item, it actually is appearing fairly regularly on ebay these days, and I thought is was a rare item. bob From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Oct 8 20:20:25 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:20:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Sort Yourselves Out. Message-ID: Hi ya, MY GOD WHAT IS GOING ON HERE????? I join this mail list Sunday Oct 8. Instead of seeing information about Hawkwind/ICU/other drug crazed hippies what do I get? A pissy .com argument. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW CHILDISH DAVE BROCK IS OR IS NOT. It works like this... If you own a .com you can use it whatever the name is don't matter who you piss off in the process. If you don't own it you can't use it. Its that simple. Take me, I'm into Hawkwind, hallucinagenic drugs and computers. So like I call my computer hawklord. Because my computer is called hawklord (and running linux means it must have a name) it makes sense to me that my internet address also include hawklord. If anyone is interested (and believe me you ain't) you can go to http://www.hawklord.uklinux.net to see what I'm into. I don't have much space so I can't host a Hawkwind site even if I want to. But if the people who did hawkwind.com want to become www.hawklord.uklinux.net then I can put a re-direct into my top index.html to send people to your site wherever you want to keep it. If you make a little effort perhaps you can get sonicassassins.com or sonicassassins.net something equally Hawklike must be available and I would not pay more than ?10 for a domain name so like sort yourselves out! If you need help getting a good domain name e-mail me and I'll see what I can find (it be cheap and it be something along the lines of hawkwind.net) If hawkwind own hawkwind.com you need something like hawkwind.net or hawkwind.org or www.hawkwind.com. If hawkwind do not own hawkwind.com simply tell Brock to shut the f*&^ up! Don't let power freaks spoil your fun! I expect this sort of shit from General Motors or Nestlee not from a bunch of trippers. Look forward to Greasy Truckers and if I'm in a good mood I'll put Welsh fungii in yer lager! IF HAWKWIND DO NOT OWN hawkwind.com THEN THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO THAT DOMAIN AND NO RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT. LET THEM WASTE THEIR MONEY ON LAWYERS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP YOU. The name Hawkwind comes from a descriptive nickname once given to a genleman who cougthed up flem on a regular basis and also farted a lot.... hawk wind... get it? That geezers real name is Nik Turner. Lets put Nik's gig in perspective. He is what 60? In 1972 Greasy Truckers put on cheap gigs and flogged a couple of cheap albums because they wanted people to hear the music. Now in a new century he has gotten as close to the classic Hawkwind line up of '73 as you will ever get, OK Brock ain't there but a lot of folks I've never seen are and I been seeing Hawkwind since 1977. So I'm expecting something special, not just another Brock gig. This is a nostalga trip nothing more nothing less. Just a pity the venue ain't the Round House thats all. Chris From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 8 20:37:52 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:37:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dial House Message-ID: Someone- sorry I forget who- posted about the Dial House appeal a while ago- I just wondered what the latest is and whether there is a website with more info? Anyone who doesn't know what I'm on about, you can find out more at www.laspirale.org - look for the interview with Penny Rimbaud (once of Crass) Never liked their music much but there was something about them that affected my teenage self, and now that I'm a salaried sellout I'd quite like to contribute to that appeal if it's still going. -- Nick Medford From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 8 21:22:35 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:22:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Sort Yourselves Out. In-Reply-To: <3BC242C8.F9C627E6@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, root wrote: => I join this mail list Sunday Oct 8. Instead of seeing information about => Hawkwind/ICU/other drug crazed hippies what do I get? Gee, most people lurk awhile before they flame the entire list... ;-) (Good thing we have you on board now to keep us straight.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 8 09:45:23 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:45:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Nice Warm feeling !!! Message-ID: Hi, Just been listening to the Canterbury recording and just want to say that its really brilliant to hear Levitation and Motorway City being played again.. Absolutley brilliant. Also Isn't it bloody great to hear the band playing Hurry on Sundown live. I wept when I heard them playing it at the Hawkestra ( first time i'd heard it live ) And I really can't wait for the tour. The band sound better than ever absolutely awesome !!! regards Iain From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 8 09:40:02 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:40:02 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH 1 ticket for sale ( but you'll have to sit next to me) Message-ID: Hi Folks, got a mate who can't make it to the RFH gig, therefore one ticket for sale will take ?10 for it. Its 4th row centre , unfortunately it's next to me Now its pretty close to said gig ( and having just played the Canterbury gig recording I cant wait !!!) I think the best option would be to meet said buying outside the hall and not bother sending by mail... Any buyers out there please step forward.. regards Iain From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 5 07:48:11 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:48:11 +0100 Subject: HW: nice warm feeling. Message-ID: Hi, Just been listening to the Canterbury recording and just want to say that its really brilliant to hear Levitation and Motorway City being played again.. Absolutley brilliant. Also Isn't it bloody great to hear the band playing Hurry on Sundown live. I wept when I heard them playing it at the Hawkestra ( first time i'd heard it live ) And I really can't wait for the tour the band sound absolutely awesome !!! RFH here i come.. Regards Iain From nycademon at HOME.COM Mon Oct 8 23:16:42 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:16:42 -0600 Subject: Domain Names - Sort Yourselves Out. In-Reply-To: <3BC242C8.F9C627E6@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Hello Chris-- Welcome to boc-l! >Take me, I'm into Hawkwind, hallucinagenic drugs and computers. So >like I call my computer hawklord. Because my computer is called >hawklord (and running linux means it must have a name) it makes sense to >me that my internet address also include hawklord. Sounds cool. You're a bit of a freak, eh? :-) >If anyone is interested (and believe me you ain't) you can go to >http://www.hawklord.uklinux.net to see what I'm into. I don't have >much space so I can't host a Hawkwind site even if I want to. But if >the people who did hawkwind.com want to become www.hawklord.uklinux.net >then I can put a re-direct into my top index.html to send people to your >site wherever you want to keep it. I love Linux, but I don't know offhand if there's a good spell check program. Try AbiWord, maybe? >Don't let power freaks spoil your fun! Make 'em pay for it, at very least. I enjoyed your post. Guido http://eri.uchsc.edu http://www.vacano.com/guido http://www.spiralrealm.com (needs work) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 00:42:46 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:42:46 EDT Subject: site update, please Message-ID: why no update on http://www.blueoystercult.com/ since july 14? any ideas? boMb From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Mon Oct 8 21:54:00 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:54:00 -0000 Subject: OFF:Favorite shit Message-ID: Sir Yuga Scribed: lemmy malcom young rory gallagher ---bobm From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Oct 9 03:35:33 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 03:35:33 -0400 Subject: HW Glasto 90 Message-ID: "I've never heard "Glastonbury '90" so don't know how good/bad the sound is, but some of the non-HW-sanctioned releases are about as cynical as these things get. -- Nick Medford" Which was the whole bloody problem. If you're a HW fan, you know if you buy 'Silver Machine Live' on some no mark budget label you're getting a shitty Dave A rerererererererelease. But G90 was band sanctioned, is an official release, and one of the few non Dave A CDs you find in regional Towers etc. It was, is, and will always be, a disgrace. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 9 06:46:20 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Jimmy CrackCorn) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:46:20 -0600 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <3BC242C8.F9C627E6@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: since this is still going- (I throw my view out futher) 1) all posts have been interesting 2) I learned a long time ago that dabbling in Hawkwind can be a dangerous affair- I've seen it again and again- I now enjoy the entertainment aspect of it, happy to not be involved with any promotion or sales of merch, unless asked, etc. (and they know better than to make a mistake like that) (haha) 3) When I personally peel away the onion layers, it looks like Dave Brock took on Nik as a roadie originally, and he was a good freak who could make the sax squawk, so he was used in the construction of the "Martian Raygun",,,, 4) ah, the Martian Raygun....it is my opinion that Dave truly is responsible for it, and to my ears is the mark of true quality to this day when my stereo is hungry for something that snuck in through the cracks and defies.......(with the use of the most excellent personel that he seems to know how to bring the best out of- and they have all become alien powers of their own...) 5) it is my opinion that Nik enjoys challenging this, and I come to expect that from him, but can understand the anger it can create.....I personally wish he would send a resume to Judge Trev and Steve P, and see about a new dawn of creating fresh material to short circuit small home appliances and cause little housefires that require baking soda.... 6) I go on a limb with this one, but I'm going ahead with it- I don't think it is Dave's personality to be warm and fuzzy with just anyone- all the time- He generally knows who he is and how he is so often regarded, and this probably plays a part as well.......also, you can get to know him as you would get to know anyone else, if you are any good at that sort of thing.... It's Chaos......in his own words I think he once said "I'm sorry to disappoint you if you thought Hawkwind was peace and love, but it's not.." I do know firsthand that he is a VERY thoughtful person who DOES NOT take his fans for granted, and just go look at your postcards and personal notes and responses if you need to be reminded........ he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there. 7) Doug Smith- a "heavy" "cat". It occurs to me that Dave and Co. may have not wanted to deal with Doug firsthand, and wanted Andy to do it, since Andy was affiliated with him directly, and maybe "expected" what they wanted, because they are "HAWKWIND" 8) Please don't piss Dave off. This is not an arrogant statement, it is a true request, as I fear a black hole that could result here 9) sort of like England enjoys (theoretically) appointing their King and Queen, accept it or don't accept it, but Dave has the psychedelic crown (and not just the Hawkwind crown either) (cheers to the Malcom Young selecter, by the way, that amused me)(I'd like to take that email to him and have a drink if he still takes one).....some of us put it there (the crown, the crown), and we are proud of our psychedlic leader.....we like that royalty.... and when you are King, a lot of things are "a given", and that is what comes with the territory of gaining such an honorable high status...... 10) Cheers to the new list member HW fan, that was a good post- don't worry, you came here at an odd hour, and this group is the main HW group (there is another one run by a guy called Bob Lennon that I HIGHLY recommend as well) (it's at Yahoogroups, and is about equal to this one, from my memory) Both have amazing people on them, this one is more frightening (hehe, to me) , but that is part of the challenge and the "fun" 11) the look on the face of a psychedelic experimenter upon hearing Doremi and Space Ritual just the other night reminded me of what I have just said..... The Ray Gun took planning and plotting, it wasn't just a matter of "put these people in the room", you had to pick the right people.....even if a few of them could form private alliances with big-boobed chicks, do poetry, and chunk novelettes into the mainstream sci-fi world , they still had to be harnessed and drained for all they were worth......haha jimmy crack corn From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 9 06:31:20 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:31:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:49:16 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Me too! > AND Captain Scarlet is Back - but he would be, being indestructible!!!! The Mysterons are terrorists. We should take the war to Mars. FoFP From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 9 07:38:52 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:38:52 -0600 Subject: HW: a few questions. In-Reply-To: <000f01c1502b$54328f60$514c883e@jezd> Message-ID: 1. <> A Texan! (can I say that?) 2. <> a Texan (and it reads the same backward and forward) 3. <> (affiliate of Doug Smith and Hawkwind fan) 4. <> (PikNik was credited on a Nik Pic, if that blotter crap didn't interfere with recall)(and whetever else he took pics of)(maybe many many band photos) Rik Richardson is trusty webmaster and ally of the band, and friend to all good fans) (if you behave) 5. Who writes under the name of XXX? (God and Goddess, King and Queen) 6. Where does Doug Smith fit into the scheme of things nowadays? (uhhhh.....hmmmm,,,,,he did run EBS, he did help establish Hawkwind in yesterworld, now, he may be loved or hated and could be in the jungle 7. Which site is which? Welcome To The Future, HW.COM, HW.org.uk, Mission Control etc.(1st and second are the fan site, 3rd and fourth are the official, right?)(but then we will have to reprogram coordinates soon, I would expect) 8. Who is Captain Black? (friend of Hawkwind, synth whizz, and is of Starfield noteriety, probably currently helping out band in full-tilt mode) 9. Who owns EBS? (DOUG) HI JEZ I hope I haven't been inhaling spores as I wrote this, I think our windows are leaky mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 9 06:39:29 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:39:29 +0100 Subject: DIVINE WIND VIDEO - CHECK IT OUT!!!! In-Reply-To: Jean-Charles Moriaud's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:09:27 +0200 Message-ID: Jean-Charles Moriaud writes: > > I am afraid that life is neither black or white. I heard Bush saying > this was war between good and evil. Another type of extremism. I think when we're talking about flying jumbos full of unwilling passengers into civilian buildings, it's a pretty clear case of Good versus Evil and I'm not sorry about demurring. > We were > shocked and we are with the people of the USA, but we can't follow the > government and most of his political, economical(ultra liberalism, ...) > environmental (Tokyo,...) decisions. Let's be clear about this: there's at least one ultra-liberal on this list who'll stand his corner in that argument, and almost certainly win. DON'T GO THERE. > We need to suppress immediately the debt of the third world countries No. We don't. It just increases moral hazard. > and abolish the fiscal paradises. Do you mean the places where we can all buy the CD'#s we choose to? *Those* fiscal paradises? : We need to put in place the Tobin tax. We need to abolish tax entirely. > We need to bring back a political control of the finance world. Some of us are very happy to control our own finances and we don't need financial fascism thanks. Though I wanted to make clear that not everyone subscribes to bunnyhugger economics and bending over for terrorists, this ain't the proper forum for the debate. If you wan't to pick a more appropriate stadium then I'll meet you there. Otherwise I suggest we drop it. -- A Libertarian Friend of Fernando Poo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 9 06:44:17 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:44:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Sort Yourselves Out. In-Reply-To: root's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2001 01:20:25 +0100 Message-ID: root writes: > IF HAWKWIND DO NOT OWN hawkwind.com THEN THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO THAT > DOMAIN AND NO RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT. LET THEM WASTE > THEIR MONEY ON LAWYERS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP YOU. I suggest that you read the legal cites references in the lawyer's letter. Looks to me like that ain't quite the case. FoFP From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 9 07:49:00 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:49:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <200110091031.LAA17938@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Project UFO? (FoFP?) or was it just UFO? loved that wasn't there an episode where a guy on LSD encountered the green faced one(s) in a barn? (or were their faces blue?) miss that swish swish swish of those cool little UFO's I want a toy replica that operates on new anti-gravity technology, complete with lasers, etc.....and at least 4 channel control..... mike yank (wait, it's rebel) or no, California was neutral From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 07:15:41 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:15:41 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: BUSH AND BLUR HAVE DECLARED WAR ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORVISION. and on a more serious note; NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER, INCUDING YOU TORTURE INSTRUMENT (CROSS) WORSHIPPING PEOPLE. in the words of the late great Bill Hicks (don't we just need him now?) "do you think Jesus would want to see another cross?" me, I wear a space shuttle round my neck I am not anti-christian, I am anti ALL ORGANISED RELIGION - check your history books, and see what causes ALL wars. PS All Mr. Gilham had to do was make a few changes, not go off in a girly huff. c u 2moro @RFH From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Oct 9 08:28:06 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:28:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: site update, please In-Reply-To: <34.1c045378.28f3da46@aol.com> Message-ID: boMb wrote: > why no update on http://www.blueoystercult.com/ since july 14? any ideas? > boMb They had that popup window for the contest to help their roadie pay his medical expenses. It just wasn't posted as part of the News section. Maybe they're waiting to announce the next round of remasters? Or Bolle and Melne may be too busy picking out bonus tracks and photos to do much updating. Of course, it could be that there just hasn't been anything else to report. The band isn't touring as much right now, and the publicity generated for and by CotHM has died down. Brian From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 9 08:50:59 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:50:59 -0400 Subject: More Thoughts on Divine Wind Video Message-ID: Well, I never imagined my public service message regarding the Divine Wind video would cause such controversy. Oh well, at the risk of being off-topic (and offending anyone that doesn't want to hear about anything political on this forum), I feel that I should at least express how that video comes across to ME, since I posted it. Before I start this ramble, I want to point out 3 things: 1. No offense is intended, although obviously only a few individuals posted some responses to my original submission - my responses are meant not as an attack on any of them personally, but a disagreement with some of the ideas they presented. 2. I should point out, since I get the impression that a few may have thought otherwise, that BOC had NOTHING to do with the creation of this video - well, o.k. they did record the audio portion, but the "video" itself was not done by BOC, and while it has been provided on www.blueoystercult.com, it is NOT an official band video - it was done strictly by a fan (although Sandy Roeser has gone on record as saying she liked it - Buck may have as well, I'm not sure). 3. I realize that this is all treading into the Off-topic realm - I will cease to engage in any long-running dialog on this topic in the future here on BOC-L, but since I'm the one who posted the original post about this video, I want to (try to) explain further my feelings on it, as I did not realize it would be seen as controversial as some have seen it. O.K., enough of THAT rambling, now it's time to really ramble... As an American, I find the video has reflected many of my emotions and thoughts over what has happened since September 11th. Not only the horror and anger over what the terrorists did, but the feeling of patriotism and pride in my country, its people, and yes its power. I don't care about any other point of view in terms of what the U.S. should do in response - no one will convince me that we have done anything that warrants what happened on September 11th - am I angry? You bet - I knew one of the passengers on the second plane to hit the towers - I have therefore witnessed his death on TV dozens of times. So, if the video at times seems a violent reaction, I say damn right! As for it being "racist", I dismiss the notion that this video, or the actions that the U.S. and its allies are taking in this "war on terrorism" as being racist. I harbor no ill feelings toward Arabs, Muslims, Middle-Easterns people in general - I don't believe that they are "evil". However, the facts are pretty clear that the people that committed the crimes ARE these people. So, to show images of non-Middle-Eastern people that are against America seems to miss the boat, in my opinion. These terrorists that we are dealing with are predominantly from the Middle Eastern - it doesn't make all of the people from the Middle East evil, and people shouldn't draw such from the video. Hey, how come no-one ever says that being against the Ku Klux Klan is racist? Aren't most of the KKK predominantly white? There certainly aren't a lot of Blacks in the KKK. So, if the KKK is predominatly white, isn't speaking out against them "racist"? No, I don't think so either. Similarly, speaking or acting out against Osama bin Laden (or, as a local radio host likes to call him, "His Mama bin Layin'") and his followers isn't racist either. What really strikes me the most about this video, however, isn't the images of terrorists, military might, or anti-Americanism - what really gets me is the "pro-American" imagery toward the end of the video - the firefighters helping victims, the football player with a tear running down his face, the little girl waving the flag, and images of candles being lit with the Statue of Liberty as the backdrop. The message to me of a strong, proud nation that will pick itself back up after these acts of terror is what is most clear to me. Oh, and as for that "one disturbing image" near the end - I of course assume you refer to the nuclear explosion? Funny, that image might be the one thing from a BOC video - looks like it might have been lifted from the "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" vid. Anyway, I don't think it necessarily implies that nuclear power will or should be used. I looked at it more as an image of "hell" (the key word that Eric is singing at that precise moment). On the other hand, I realize that it could be taken as a message that such destruction is not out of the question - but, as with the Cold War, the threat is/was always there. I think that the fact that the image of the bomb blast is so brief implies that we are not looking to drop a nuke anywhere - and of course, the image preceding it was of bin Laden - therefore I simply take the sequence of images to be a visual description of the lyric, "then let's send him to hell". Again, it doen't mean send all from the Middle East, or even Afghanistan, to hell - this message is directed to the terrorists. Sorry for my ramblings on - I have been affected greatly by the events of September 11th, and make no apologies for my feelings. And that video IMHO is fantastic. John From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 9 09:07:47 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:07:47 -0400 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: Hmm. I fail to see where the joke is? >NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER, No. Only extremist movements. Get your facts right. That's like saying all Muslims are responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks. That's just not true. >INCUDING >YOU TORTURE INSTRUMENT (CROSS) WORSHIPPING >PEOPLE. *sigh* It's not the cross that is being worshipped. The cross is only a symbol. >in the words of the late great Bill Hicks (don't we just need him now?) >"do you think Jesus would want to see another cross?" Nope. >check your >history books, and see what causes ALL wars. That I can agree with. If you check those same books, though, you'll also note the people responsible for these wars were always extremists. It's very easy to twist religion so that it says what you want it to say, y'know? We see that happen every day. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Oct 9 09:43:55 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:43:55 -0400 Subject: More Thoughts on Divine Wind Video In-Reply-To: <3BC2F2B2.F41A47FB@mitre.org> Message-ID: Hey John, The really scary thought that I had watching that part was that, if Bin Laden has a nuke, he'd be the first to use it and then the USA would have the second nation to have a hostile nuclear device detonated on its' soil. (And, yeah, I think that we were right to use the bombs on Japan; to all of you naysayers, go read your history and see how we saved countless Allied and Japanese lives by doing so. I recommend Charles Sweeney's "War's End"; he was the only person to fly in both nuke strikes. Analyze it with your mind, not your "feelings".) I don't advocate the use of nukes and I cannot see how we could use them in this case, since we have planes returning with conventional ordinance that they could not find a target to drop it on. But, we gotta do what we gotta do... Thanks for the heads-up to the video, bud! Regards, Craig Shipley mr_ship at bellsouth.net (home) cshipley at veritas.com (work) > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of John A. Swartz > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:51 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: More Thoughts on Divine Wind Video > > > Well, I never imagined my public service message regarding the Divine > Wind video would cause such controversy. Oh well, at the risk of being > off-topic (and offending anyone that doesn't want to hear about anything > political on this forum), I feel that I should at least express how that > video comes across to ME, since I posted it. > > Before I start this ramble, I want to point out 3 things: > > 1. No offense is intended, although obviously only a few individuals > posted > some responses to my original submission - my responses are meant not as > an attack on any of them personally, but a disagreement with some of the > ideas they presented. > > 2. I should point out, since I get the impression that a few may have > thought otherwise, that BOC had NOTHING to do with the creation of this > video - well, o.k. they did record the audio portion, but the "video" > itself was not done by BOC, and while it has been provided on > www.blueoystercult.com, it is NOT an official band video - it was done > strictly by a fan (although Sandy Roeser has gone on record as saying > she > liked it - Buck may have as well, I'm not sure). > > 3. I realize that this is all treading into the Off-topic realm - I will > cease to engage in any long-running dialog on this topic in the future > here > on BOC-L, but since I'm the one who posted the original post about this > video, I want to (try to) explain further my feelings on it, as I did > not > realize it would be seen as controversial as some have seen it. > > O.K., enough of THAT rambling, now it's time to really ramble... > > > As an American, I find the video has reflected many of my emotions and > thoughts over what has happened since September 11th. Not only the > horror and anger over what the terrorists did, but the feeling of > patriotism and pride in my country, its people, and yes its power. I > don't care about any other point of view in terms of what the U.S. > should > do in response - no one will convince me that we have done anything that > warrants what happened on September 11th - am I angry? You bet - I knew > one of the passengers on the second plane to hit the towers - I have > therefore witnessed his death on TV dozens of times. So, if the video > at > times seems a violent reaction, I say damn right! > > As for it being "racist", I dismiss the notion that this video, or the > actions that the U.S. and its allies are taking in this "war on > terrorism" as being racist. I harbor no ill feelings toward Arabs, > Muslims, Middle-Easterns people in general - I don't believe that they > are "evil". However, the facts are pretty clear that the people that > committed the crimes ARE these people. So, to show images of > non-Middle-Eastern people that are against America seems to miss the > boat, in my opinion. These terrorists that we are dealing with are > predominantly from the Middle Eastern - it doesn't make all of the > people > from the Middle East evil, and people shouldn't draw such from the > video. > Hey, how come no-one ever says that being against the Ku Klux Klan is > racist? Aren't most of the KKK predominantly white? There certainly > aren't a lot of Blacks in the KKK. So, if the KKK is predominatly > white, > isn't speaking out against them "racist"? No, I don't think so either. > Similarly, speaking or acting out against Osama bin Laden (or, as a > local > radio host likes to call him, "His Mama bin Layin'") and his followers > isn't racist either. > > What really strikes me the most about this video, however, isn't the > images of terrorists, military might, or anti-Americanism - what really > gets me is the "pro-American" imagery toward the end of the video - the > firefighters helping victims, the football player with a tear running > down his face, the little girl waving the flag, and images of candles > being lit with the Statue of Liberty as the backdrop. The message to me > of a strong, proud nation that will pick itself back up after these acts > of terror is what is most clear to me. > > Oh, and as for that "one disturbing image" near the end - I of course > assume you refer to the nuclear explosion? Funny, that image might be > the one thing from a BOC video - looks like it might have been lifted > from the "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" vid. Anyway, I don't think it > necessarily implies that nuclear power will or should be used. I looked > at it more as an image of "hell" (the key word that Eric is singing at > that precise moment). On the other hand, I realize that it could be > taken as a message that such destruction is not out of the question - > but, as with the Cold War, the threat is/was always there. I think that > the fact that the image of the bomb blast is so brief implies that we > are > not looking to drop a nuke anywhere - and of course, the image preceding > it was of bin Laden - therefore I simply take the sequence of images to > be a visual description of the lyric, "then let's send him to hell". > Again, it doen't mean send all from the Middle East, or even > Afghanistan, > to hell - this message is directed to the terrorists. > > Sorry for my ramblings on - I have been affected greatly by the events > of > September 11th, and make no apologies for my feelings. And that video > IMHO is fantastic. > > John > From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Tue Oct 9 10:32:01 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:32:01 -0500 Subject: HW Glasto 90 Message-ID: On the contrary, I really must say that Glastonbury 90 impresses me as a superb Hawkwind performance. True, it is only an audience recording, but I think we should take it for what it is--the only existing recording of a fantastic show. Having collected Hawkwind live tapes for years, I can say I have at least 50 live shows with much worse sound quality (not to mention much worse performance quality). I think it's great that Hawkwind are releasing their own bootlegs in an attempt to beat the "professional" bootleggers at their own game. I can't really say a bad thing about this release. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > "I've never heard "Glastonbury '90" so don't know how good/bad the > sound is, but some of the non-HW-sanctioned releases are about as cynical > as these things get. > -- > Nick Medford" > > Which was the whole bloody problem. If you're a HW fan, you know if you > buy 'Silver Machine Live' on some no mark budget label you're getting a > shitty Dave A rerererererererelease. > > But G90 was band sanctioned, is an official release, and one of the few non > Dave A CDs you find in regional Towers etc. It was, is, and will always > be, a disgrace. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 9 10:51:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:51:23 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: Daniel Jackson's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Jackson writes: > and on a more serious note; > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with people... FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Oct 9 11:00:15 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:00:15 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Daniel Jackson writes: > > > and on a more serious note; > > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER > > Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with > people... No it isn't... From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 11:25:14 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:25:14 +0100 Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: so the crusades were extremist my facts are right, nearly all the world's religions promote death to the unbelievers READ LEARN & DIGEST I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 11/9 I suggest you get your bibles out and take a good look, or I shall smite you with the fires of heaven all organised religion is hippocracy From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 11:29:14 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:29:14 +0100 Subject: Off: Message-ID: ALL HAIL DISCORDIA! I said NEARLY all religion, don't you people read these posts properly? Buddism doesn't either, but I'm not a buddist, just an earthbound in despair that the human race can't get on, and the only main reason for this is RELIGION, period. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 9 11:31:17 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:31:17 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: <3BC310FF.6413FFDA@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: > > M Holmes wrote: > > > Daniel Jackson writes: > > > > > and on a more serious note; > > > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER > > > > Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with > > people... > > No it isn't... > Ah, but you're not arguing there - just contradicting! (I can see where this is going...) :-) Cheers, Rich. From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 11:32:02 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:32:02 +0100 Subject: off Message-ID: PS. bush, blair and all the other world leaders, ALL, SAY "MAY GOD BE WITH US, BLESS, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC SOD IT, DROP THE BOMB, EXTERMINATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 9 11:38:24 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:38:24 -0500 Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: all organised religion is hippocracy What does this have to do with hippos? >>> Daniel Jackson 10/09/01 10:25AM >>> so the crusades were extremist my facts are right, nearly all the world's religions promote death to the unbelievers READ LEARN & DIGEST I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 11/9 I suggest you get your bibles out and take a good look, or I shall smite you with the fires of heaven all organised religion is hippocracy From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 11:46:37 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:46:37 +0100 Subject: off Message-ID: HURRAH! SOMEONE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOUR. hippos no, nowt to do with them so I cant spel, sory From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 11:47:59 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:47:59 +0100 Subject: Fw: no I'm not Message-ID: is this te rigt room for a argument? you've all been taking argue barmies, haven't you? From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 9 11:54:59 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:54:59 +0100 Subject: read your bibles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:38 -0500 09.10.2001, Laura Waesche wrote: >all organised religion is hippocracy > >What does this have to do with hippos? "Hippocracy" would be rule by horses, surely? :) Cheers, Carl From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Oct 9 12:05:45 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:05:45 -0400 Subject: More Thoughts on Divine Wind Video Message-ID: Since I'm talking strictly about the video here.... > Oh, and as for that "one disturbing image" near the end - > I of course assume you refer to the nuclear explosion? Yep. I don't like its inclusion partly because I've been hearing too, too much "glass ashtray" invective lately. (To borrow a phrase from a Bloom interview during Desert Shield.) And partly because I have an aversion to trying to swat flies with cannon. It's wasteful. > I looked at it more as an image of "hell" (the key word > that Eric is singing at that precise moment). *nods* It's strictly a knee-jerk reaction on my part, and that occurred to me later. Speaking as someone who has been speculating on what would be appropriate to use in that terrain, I wouldn't have blinked had he used footage of a fuel-air explosive. But I suppose that to someone other than a mil-hardware geek, that wouldn't have had the same impact. *shrugs* > And that video IMHO is fantastic. No argument here. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Oct 9 11:58:51 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:58:51 +0200 Subject: HW Glasto 90 In-Reply-To: <000b01c150cf$2b5493a0$e7d1b718@xx177845c> Message-ID: At 09:32 09.10.2001 -0500, you wrote: >On the contrary, I really must say that Glastonbury 90 impresses me as a >superb Hawkwind performance. True, it is only an audience recording, but I >think we should take it for what it is--the only existing recording of a >fantastic show. Having collected Hawkwind live tapes for years, I can say I >have at least 50 live shows with much worse sound quality (not to mention >much worse performance quality). I think it's great that Hawkwind are >releasing their own bootlegs in an attempt to beat the "professional" >bootleggers at their own game. I can't really say a bad thing about this >release. I absolutely agree with John Bernhard From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 9 12:35:22 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:35:22 -0500 Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: Of course, horses. Sorry I had a lapse. :-) >>> Carl Edlund Anderson 10/09/01 10:54AM >>> At 10:38 -0500 09.10.2001, Laura Waesche wrote: >all organised religion is hippocracy > >What does this have to do with hippos? "Hippocracy" would be rule by horses, surely? :) Cheers, Carl From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 9 12:36:49 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:36:49 -0500 Subject: off Message-ID: That's what hukt ahn fonix will do to you. ;-) >>> Daniel Jackson 10/09/01 10:46AM >>> HURRAH! SOMEONE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOUR. hippos no, nowt to do with them so I cant spel, sory From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Oct 9 13:22:35 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:22:35 -0500 Subject: Off: Religion: problem or solution? In-Reply-To: <002001c150d7$27c1fd60$2d71073e@djsatan> from "Daniel Jackson" at Oct 9, 1 04:29:14 pm Message-ID: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/282/oped/Religion_problem_or_solution_+.shtml Religion: problem or solution? By James Carroll, 10/9/2001 POLITICIANS AND commentators are going to great lengths to affirm the religion of Muslims, rejecting the terrorists' claim that the heinous crime of Sept. 11 was an act of Islamic devotion. That is as it should be. Islam is a noble religion that emphasizes ''surrender'' to God and compassionate love for the neighbor. It is a source of meaning for millions, and, as the commentary insists, all but the smallest fraction of those millions reject violence and the savagery of terrorists. Islamic religious leaders have been forthright in condemning the murderous assaults against America. But something is lost in the well-intentioned assertion that Islam is a pure religion entirely unrelated to evil acts committed in its name. With so much violence being inflicted in the name of God by religionists of various kinds around the globe, an old question presents itself, and not just about Islam: Is religion the solution or is it the problem? Or is it both? Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said last week that the attacks were no more a reflection of true Islam than the Crusades were of true Christianity. Fair enough. But the comparison is instructive. Latin Christians would like to be able to say that the rampaging fanatics who, to cite only one instance, assaulted Jerusalem in 1099 were acting in ways that had nothing to do with Christian belief or practice but in fact - and this is what makes the Crusades so chilling - that holy war was integrally tied to theology (the violence of God), liturgy (the sign of the cross), and authority (crusader popes). Today, we like to think of ''religion'' as one of those purely positive aspects of life, and we are quick to dismiss negative acts or attitudes spawned by religion as not ''really'' religious. The Vatican does this in asserting that the Catholic Church is entirely sinless, which means the crimes of the church (Crusades, Inquisition, etc.) were committed by ''sinful members,'' never by the church ''as such.'' Religion is good. If religion prompts bad behavior, then it is not ''real'' religion. But this way of thinking lets religion off the hook. It means we can deplore the ''sins'' of sinful members without asking hard questions about where those sins came from. To stay with the Christian example, were the endless acts of Christian anti-Semitism aberrations, or were they tied somehow to anti-Jewish texts in the New Testament, or to the fundamental way Christianity defined itself against Judaism, and so on? If anti-Semitism were an aberration, then an apology for acts of ''sinful members'' would be enough. If anti-Semitism grew out of core beliefs and practices, then apology would not be enough. Core beliefs and practices would have to change. If crimes committed in the name of religion could be easily separated from religion ''as such,'' then a full understanding of those crimes, and a way to resist them at the source, may elude us. Obviously, I am talking here about all religions. It is misleading and unproductive to think of religion as purely good. Religion, like everything of the human condition, is ambiguous - partly good and partly bad; part solution, part problem. Religion has enabled major improvements in human life and still supports some of the world's greatest works for good. But religion also easily confuses the object of its worship - God - with itself, often prompting human beings to make absolute claims that lead inevitably to absolute disaster. Feelings of religious superiority can and do lead to ranking by race, nationality, gender, and class. Religion can make unholy alliances with commerce and with conquest, as happened throughout the era of European imperialism. The univocal claims of monotheists can lead to contempt for human beings who do not share them, and the open-endedness of polytheism can undermine the distinctions essential to thought. And the certainty that often accompanies the phenomenon of ''true belief'' seems always to result in a cruel rooting out of what - or who - might threaten it. The religious impulse to die for the faith slides all too quickly into the impulse to kill for it. There is no crime of which Muslims acting as Muslims have been accused that Christians, to cite only one other religion, do not also stand accused by history. To be religious is, first, to be repentant. The danger of a ''clash of civilizations,'' or even of a new holy war between the remnants of a Christian West and ''the Islamic world,'' will be far less if we all understand that we are alike as human beings. Our noblest impulses come inevitably intertwined with opposite inclinations that betray them. We religious humans must constantly submit to the judgement of history, practicing self-criticism, always seeking the reform that will drawn us closer to our best ideals. Certainly, Islam is engaged in such a reckoning today. But this task belongs to all religious people - the only way to honor God and love our neighbor as ourselves. James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe. This story ran on page A11 of the Boston Globe on 10/9/2001. ? Copyright 2001 Globe Newspaper Company. > > ALL HAIL DISCORDIA! > I said NEARLY all religion, don't you people read these posts properly? > Buddism doesn't either, but I'm not a buddist, just an earthbound in despair > that the human race can't get on, and the only main reason for this is > RELIGION, period. > From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 13:26:02 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:26:02 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh(again) Message-ID: > BUSH AND BLUR HAVE DECLARED WAR ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORVISION. > > > PS All Mr. Gilham had to do was make a few changes, not go off in a girly > huff. > c u 2moro @RFH > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 9 13:38:57 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:38:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: >so the crusades were extremist Yep. They were. >my facts are right, nearly all the world's religions promote death to the >unbelievers This only shows me you have no understanding whatsoever of what religion is about. >READ LEARN & DIGEST >I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT 11/9 Neither did I say that you had. I said what you said was similar to saying that. And it is. You just can't accept that. And stop yelling, you're gonna wake the dead. >I suggest you get your bibles out and take a good look, or I shall smite you >with the fires of heaven How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. But whatever. It's obvious an argument would be pointless. Not to mention this is neither the right place nor time for one. So I'll just go listen to some BOC. Take care. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 13:48:40 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:48:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" > > This only shows me you have no understanding whatsoever of what religion is > about. I have had a lot of personal experience of religious hipocracy, and I do understand the history of war > Neither did I say that you had. I said what you said was similar to saying > that. And it is. You just can't accept that. nothing I have said is like saying 11/9 was just down to muslims, but I will say this. US right wing militia blew up WTC, how do you like that? > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > But whatever. It's obvious an argument would be pointless. is this not the right room for an argument?!?!?!?!?!? hohohohoho peace, love and binliners From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 9 14:00:42 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:00:42 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <010f01c150ea$a24cdc40$2d71073e@djsatan> Message-ID: On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:48, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? theo From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 9 15:07:20 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:07:20 -0600 Subject: HW: Domain Names - In-Reply-To: <15qzOj-1MkdZRC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: apparently I was talking out too far when stating EBS and the HW.COM were Doug's and Doug's to control (if I gave that effect to anybody who doesn't have me killfiled, if there is any) It's a tangled web of partnership (to me, anyway) and it's none of my concern or 'business'- I just used to talk to Doug on the phone and it sure seemed to be his baby, certainly heavily under his direction.. this was pointed out to me, and as meaningless as my ravings here may be, I hate to throw B.S., unless it's so total that it's obvious... hope the spiritually positive email surplus drops are comming soon- for anybody who needs a smile, etc... mike From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 14:23:39 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:23:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after the events, so really, they're just hearsay, no? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:48, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > theo From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 9 14:24:30 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:24:30 +0100 Subject: Off: Religion: problem or solution? Message-ID: well said ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Off: Religion: problem or solution? http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/282/oped/Religion_problem_or_solution_+.sh tml Religion: problem or solution? By James Carroll, 10/9/2001 POLITICIANS AND commentators are going to great lengths to affirm the religion of Muslims, rejecting the terrorists' claim that the heinous crime of Sept. 11 was an act of Islamic devotion. That is as it should be. Islam is a noble religion that emphasizes ''surrender'' to God and compassionate love for the neighbor. It is a source of meaning for millions, and, as the commentary insists, all but the smallest fraction of those millions reject violence and the savagery of terrorists. Islamic religious leaders have been forthright in condemning the murderous assaults against America. But something is lost in the well-intentioned assertion that Islam is a pure religion entirely unrelated to evil acts committed in its name. With so much violence being inflicted in the name of God by religionists of various kinds around the globe, an old question presents itself, and not just about Islam: Is religion the solution or is it the problem? Or is it both? Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said last week that the attacks were no more a reflection of true Islam than the Crusades were of true Christianity. Fair enough. But the comparison is instructive. Latin Christians would like to be able to say that the rampaging fanatics who, to cite only one instance, assaulted Jerusalem in 1099 were acting in ways that had nothing to do with Christian belief or practice but in fact - and this is what makes the Crusades so chilling - that holy war was integrally tied to theology (the violence of God), liturgy (the sign of the cross), and authority (crusader popes). Today, we like to think of ''religion'' as one of those purely positive aspects of life, and we are quick to dismiss negative acts or attitudes spawned by religion as not ''really'' religious. The Vatican does this in asserting that the Catholic Church is entirely sinless, which means the crimes of the church (Crusades, Inquisition, etc.) were committed by ''sinful members,'' never by the church ''as such.'' Religion is good. If religion prompts bad behavior, then it is not ''real'' religion. But this way of thinking lets religion off the hook. It means we can deplore the ''sins'' of sinful members without asking hard questions about where those sins came from. To stay with the Christian example, were the endless acts of Christian anti-Semitism aberrations, or were they tied somehow to anti-Jewish texts in the New Testament, or to the fundamental way Christianity defined itself against Judaism, and so on? If anti-Semitism were an aberration, then an apology for acts of ''sinful members'' would be enough. If anti-Semitism grew out of core beliefs and practices, then apology would not be enough. Core beliefs and practices would have to change. If crimes committed in the name of religion could be easily separated from religion ''as such,'' then a full understanding of those crimes, and a way to resist them at the source, may elude us. Obviously, I am talking here about all religions. It is misleading and unproductive to think of religion as purely good. Religion, like everything of the human condition, is ambiguous - partly good and partly bad; part solution, part problem. Religion has enabled major improvements in human life and still supports some of the world's greatest works for good. But religion also easily confuses the object of its worship - God - with itself, often prompting human beings to make absolute claims that lead inevitably to absolute disaster. Feelings of religious superiority can and do lead to ranking by race, nationality, gender, and class. Religion can make unholy alliances with commerce and with conquest, as happened throughout the era of European imperialism. The univocal claims of monotheists can lead to contempt for human beings who do not share them, and the open-endedness of polytheism can undermine the distinctions essential to thought. And the certainty that often accompanies the phenomenon of ''true belief'' seems always to result in a cruel rooting out of what - or who - might threaten it. The religious impulse to die for the faith slides all too quickly into the impulse to kill for it. There is no crime of which Muslims acting as Muslims have been accused that Christians, to cite only one other religion, do not also stand accused by history. To be religious is, first, to be repentant. The danger of a ''clash of civilizations,'' or even of a new holy war between the remnants of a Christian West and ''the Islamic world,'' will be far less if we all understand that we are alike as human beings. Our noblest impulses come inevitably intertwined with opposite inclinations that betray them. We religious humans must constantly submit to the judgement of history, practicing self-criticism, always seeking the reform that will drawn us closer to our best ideals. Certainly, Islam is engaged in such a reckoning today. But this task belongs to all religious people - the only way to honor God and love our neighbor as ourselves. James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe. This story ran on page A11 of the Boston Globe on 10/9/2001. ? Copyright 2001 Globe Newspaper Company. > > ALL HAIL DISCORDIA! > I said NEARLY all religion, don't you people read these posts properly? > Buddism doesn't either, but I'm not a buddist, just an earthbound in despair > that the human race can't get on, and the only main reason for this is > RELIGION, period. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 9 14:35:48 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:35:48 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <012101c150ef$8668b760$2d71073e@djsatan> Message-ID: On 9 Oct 2001, at 19:23, Daniel Jackson wrote: > The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after > the events, so really, they're just hearsay, no? Kinda like Aesop's fables, eh? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 9 14:37:36 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:37:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:00:42 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? Well the style is almost pure Mike Coleman.... FoFP From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 9 14:32:29 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:32:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: Not really, many of the books were written at the time they happened by people like Moses, David and the prophets, not to mention Matthew Mark Luke & John. >>> Daniel Jackson 10/09/01 01:23PM >>> The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after the events, so really, they're just hearsay, no? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:48, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > theo From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 9 14:41:21 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:41:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: And he has been kind of wordy today too. :-) >>> M Holmes 10/09/01 01:37PM >>> Ted Jackson writes: > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? Well the style is almost pure Mike Coleman.... FoFP From ben at TMK.COM Tue Oct 9 14:46:38 2001 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:46:38 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Bibles and religion... Message-ID: In the words of everyone's father (in the biological sense): "Don't make me stop this car..." 'Nuff said, hopefully. Tone it down, folks. Ben From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 9 15:04:30 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:04:30 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <200110091837.TAA18455@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 9 Oct 2001, at 19:37, M Holmes wrote: > Ted Jackson writes: > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > Well the style is almost pure Mike Coleman.... > > Hey, no need to insult Mike! theo From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Oct 9 15:17:30 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:17:30 -0700 Subject: Ouch. Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:37:36 +0100 > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Ted Jackson writes: > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > Well the style is almost pure Mike Coleman.... > > FoFP You made me hurt myself. And people looked at me funny. scorch From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 9 17:12:08 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:12:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: dread your bibles In-Reply-To: <3BC311FB.12614.1ADA879@localhost> Message-ID: <<"Hey, no need to insult Mike!">> hi Theo- I took Mike EFoFP's comment on levels....good and bad! He knows the truth. Laura called me wordy and somebody else got hurt- that was most painful, but she adopted me, so OK there, and wordy is better than curdly, buffaloherdy, or even nerdy.... I am tired now, so I guess better for me strategically to sleep before I check any more mail, in case I have to lay it on thick in an attempt at some kind of self defense ..... and besides, I don't want my locusts to burn, I think they are almost done,, m From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Oct 9 17:51:56 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:51:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: Hi ya, Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner" I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may. What Dave Brock has done (and very well/ruthlessly) is keep the name Hawkwind going. But what is in the name? It certainly is not the line-up! One thing I really like about Hawkwind (sorry I hear very little after 1992) is that the studio stuff has developed over the years from pure mayhem into something almost Gong like. Live, Hawkwind are whatever their line up is at the time. Dave Brock is never a good 'front man' cause he just stands there and does what he does. Both Bob Calvert and Nik were excellent front men... They have stage presence (sorry Dave but I never see stage presence in you). The best gig I've ever seen in my life was Not Hawkwind but I think just Nik Huw Loyd and Harvy (I could be wrong it was at Woughton Campus 1st synesyser fair Milton Keynes about 1983 if anyone has a tape of that I pay you money no matter what the condition of tape is.) The point of this is not to piss Dave Brock off (though it might well do so) but give him a wake up call. With a kings crown comes responsibility, nothing is a given even for a king. It is a very very bad thing when a king declairs war on his most loyal subjects and it seems to me that is exactly what he is doing regarding domain names. If hawkwind.com is/was owned by and run by fans then that fact should be respected (he can ask for stuff to be included/excluded but he has no right to demand). Today I discover that Nik has released a few cd's playing on the name Hawkwind and I admitt that is a little naughty but it also seems clear to me that anyone bothering to look at the covers of these cd's will realise that they are Nik's not Hawkwinds. There is a presidence here. When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten.... And lost. Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind. Nik does have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using it except as a means of publicizing his work. I don't see him as in any way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that like it or not he is part of the Family. I mentioned Gong above. Gong have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem? OK Hawkwind have a tour going on and in the middle of it Nik has a reunion of ICU and a reunion of some ex-Hawkwind members called Hawkestra. There is no attempt to say it is the `real' Hawkwind or part of the official tour, it is just a bunch of people who used to be in Hawkwind presumably doing a few old Hawkwind numbers. Where is the problem? There was no problem in '83 at Milton Keynes when Dave Brock was absent and three people played as Not Hawkwind. Indeed a Dave Brock (hawkfan) single was promoted there. So what is the big deal now? If Dave Brock wants full control over an 'official' Hawkwind web site then it is up to him to find a suitable vacant domain name and set it up himself (hell if he wants to give me a couple of quid I'll follow his orders to the letter myself... I'm very good at web design and very cheap). Perhaps hawkwind.org is free or hawkwind.net, even hawkwind.gov ;-) (who do you bribe to get hawkwind.mil?) Again there is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain names is a problem.... the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting Company we all know and love. All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate mis-representation. As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been no mis-representation so like wheres the problem? >> he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there. TRUE TRUE TRUE Come on Hawkwind, take a deep breath say sorry to the webmaster at hawkwind.com and everyone will have more respect for you and hail Dave Brock as the Once and Future King. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just threw my dinner up... I see Grei Halliwell 'performing' in front of the troops on the news. Is that sick or what? Suddenly I want to die of Anthrax Leprasy Mu! Chris From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Tue Oct 9 14:32:04 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:32:04 -0000 Subject: HW:Glastonbury Message-ID: Message-ID: So after the last round of selling stuff on ebay. I got a bunch of e-mail from people who wanted to get some item of memorabilia from me and couldn't afford the $500 for a Gibson SG. So I went back to my storage space and rummaged through those old B?C road cases and found all sorts of small things, not worth much of anything really, that people can bid on and I put them on ebay with most of the profits going to charities for the Sept. 11 relief causes. So if your interested and into ebay check it out. Al From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Oct 9 19:01:16 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:01:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Science Behind the Song Stuck in Your Head Message-ID: I've got a Silver Machine... ;) http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-000080020oct07.story?coll=la-news-science From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Oct 9 19:02:33 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:02:33 -0400 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Daniel Jackson writes: > > > > > > > and on a more serious note; > > > > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER > > > > > > Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with > > > people... > > > > No it isn't... > > > > Ah, but you're not arguing there - just contradicting! > > (I can see where this is going...) > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. no you can't...er...yes...maybe...oh,let's blame it on Nik... tim From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 9 19:25:03 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:25:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Neu! - '72 Live and Marble Sheep - Stone Marby Message-ID: Thanks to the heads-up from Keith H, I picked up these Captain Trip releases for 10$ apiece and listened to them over the weekend. First up, Neu! '72 Live, and boy am I glad I got this. DougP is right, anyone who has Neu!, Neu! 2, and Neu! 75, and who doesn't mind less than stellar sound quality really should get this. Not only is this historically important material, but it also contains some truly fantastic music. An important part of Neu!'s albums was always the use of the studio, as well as the input of their studio producer, Conny Plank, but this proves, if proof was necessary, that it was in no way a crutch. The sound is a bit lo-fi, but I think its actually better than the sound on 'Text of Festival', and now that I mention it, I think that even if you don't have any Neu! albums, but if you like the long jams on the second half of Text, you might want to give this a listen as well. There are several driving space-rock/motorik pieces, some 'Paranoia'-like moments, a beautiful 10 minute intro, and a few parts where the band members mutter among themselves amidst a sea of hiss and undefinable noises, which, with some strectch of the imagination, might be interpreted as some of Michael Rothers's proto-ambient pieces. OK, that last one is a bit of a stretch. Even so, this is great stuff. While on the subject of Neu!, I'll also recommend the la!Neu? release titled Duesseldorf, also on Captain Trip (CTCD-051). la!Neu? is one of Klaus Dinger's numerous later projects, and this disc contains a 20+ minute update of Hero, another 30+ minute driving jam, and 2 versions of a shorter mellow little piece. This is actually the only full-length post-Neu! release (other than Harmonia) from either Dinger or Rother that I've heard that I would recommend (not that I have heard anything close to their entire output) - if anyone can contradict this, let me know. As for Marble Sheep's new release, Stone Marby, well, this is really weird. The weirdness starts with the current lineup depicted in the booklet photos - as well as now having several female members, the band also features a big fuzzy sheep playing guitar and an equally big and fuzzy but apparently ailing rabbit with attendant nurse. It looks like Nik has competition in the bizarrely costumed stage presence sweepstakes. This looks like some kind of attempt to appeal to Japanese kid culture, an impression reinforced by the music, which tends toward pop-metal and a very commercial sound in the production, with distinct vocals sitting on top of the music and choruses including sometimes shrill female yelling in the background. What compounds the oddity is the fact that many of these songs are re-workings of Marble Sheep Mk. I classics. 'Inside Out' is 'Hawks Out' with (probably) new lyrics, but where the original was a 15-minute fuzzed-out brain-melting piece of blanga, here it's a 5 minute piece of pop-metal. It's not at all bad, but its a bit disorienting. Similar reworkings of old classics include Horizon, the signature tune Cement Woman (again cut from a 20-minute piece of mayhem to 5 minutes of pop-metal), and Ultraman. 2 tracks, UFO and Ancient Wind, don't seem to have much connection with the older pieces of the same name. The remaining tracks (Oracle from Outside/Inside, Mirror Game, Calling Back to Ancient Gods) may well be from the Grateful-Dead-like period in the 90's but I'm not familiar with that era so I don't know. I certainly can't recommend this to MS Mk. I fans, at least not as a continuation of that lineup's sound and approach, and this new sound isn't really the kind of thing I like personally, but it isn't really bad either, so I won't trash this - I'll just say that I think it will appeal to a different kind of audience. Stephan From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Tue Oct 9 19:21:11 2001 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:21:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <3BC3717B.8792ACD0@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Mmmm Well....I don't think any of us should forget the fact that there is one existing dominant force,which is the single reason why Hawkwind still exist some 30 years on,.................Dave Brock! He's kept it going regardless of the departures or sackings of past members. If pushed into a corner,...I don't doubt he has a bit of a ruthless streak in sticking and pursueing what he believes in. If Dave had never been as dominant as he has been,.....then Hawkwind would have probably died a natural death about 4 years into its present history. And then.....the likes of Dave Anderson,Nik Turner would never have been in a position to cash in on their hitherto sporadic involvement with a musical institution of almost unrivaled cult status. Dave Brock has been Hawkwind for some 30 years. Nik Turner?......5 yrs + 1 yr here & 1 yr there + guest appearances? ( I'm guessing ). Dave Anderson............1 yr ? Dave Anderson cleverly markets and re-packages atrocious quality old HW material. Makes a fast buck and without doubt puts off the 'first time' buyer from purchasing any future HW material. ( Basically undermining the hard work put in by the DB & present members over the years ) Nik Turner.......Great character/front man & nice bloke. But musically had tendencies to play for himself and not as part of a team/band. Problem is, that his ego gets the better of him, and to quote...."his playing became irksome" to other members of the band. When he wanted to....he could be brilliant though! Presently....Nik appears to be trying to 'cash in' on his comparitively short periodic involvement with HW in the past, as well as Hawkwinds current 'renaissance' ,in order to make a fast buck out of the more 'naive' of us followers. And again undermining the REAL Hawkwind. Frankly.....If I were Brock, I think I'd be bloody pissed off with certain 'piecemeal' past Hawkwind activists that contantly try to grab more than their fair share of the 'cake'. Brock & Co wants full control of the name. And by sticking at the helm for 30 odd years.......I think he's morally entitled to it! mel From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 20:55:15 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:55:15 EDT Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2001 9:08:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mvdbase at YAHOO.COM writes: > It's very easy to twist religion so that it says what you want it to say, > y'know? We see that happen every day. > > Alex. > > that is one of the true roots of the evils from organized religions, you hit the nail right on the cross (...er head) man! bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 20:58:27 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:58:27 EDT Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2001 11:44:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > all organised religion is hippocracy > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... bob From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Oct 9 21:03:22 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:03:22 +0100 Subject: ORBS test - please ignore Message-ID: Just testing to see if my ISP is still blacklisted. Alasdair From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 21:05:44 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:05:44 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2001 2:26:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after the > the originals were in the tradition of Homer, but the later edited versions were the ones the censors approved. I personally liked the parts with a lot of begetting in them bob From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Wed Oct 10 00:05:55 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:05:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here here! I am rather fond of many of the ex-hawks for various reasons. But pure and simple, Dave has stuck to it through all the years of good and bad. Being the one to carry the weight of responsibility is a FAR harder task than coming and going as you please (granted that this occasionally entailed chaos reigning supreme). In my book Meister Brock and the current lineup has earned the right to do what ever they damn well please with respect to any Hawkwind name, being fully entitled to it. I might remind all that three other members of the current lineup (chadwick, davey, and langton) have more time in the band than any ex-Hawk with the exception of harvey bainbridge. (mr. house, another current member, is definitely in the running, but i have a hard time trying to figure out what his precise status has been since 89 on a year-by-year basis.) Granted that i don't have all my hw family tree charts out, so i will surely be corrected if wrong ;) Dave At 12:21 AM 10/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >Mmmm > >Well....I don't think any of us should forget the fact that there is one >existing dominant force,which is the single reason why Hawkwind still exist >some 30 years on,.................Dave Brock! >He's kept it going regardless of the departures or sackings of past members. >If pushed into a corner,...I don't doubt he has a bit of a ruthless streak >in sticking and pursueing what he believes in. >If Dave had never been as dominant as he has been,.....then Hawkwind would >have probably died a natural death about 4 years into its present history. >And then.....the likes of Dave Anderson,Nik Turner would never have been in >a position to cash in on their hitherto sporadic involvement with a musical >institution of almost unrivaled cult status. >Dave Brock has been Hawkwind for some 30 years. >Nik Turner?......5 yrs + 1 yr here & 1 yr there + guest appearances? ( I'm >guessing ). >Dave Anderson............1 yr ? > >Dave Anderson cleverly markets and re-packages atrocious quality old HW >material. Makes a fast buck and without doubt puts off the 'first time' >buyer from purchasing any future HW material. >( Basically undermining the hard work put in by the DB & present members >over the years ) > >Nik Turner.......Great character/front man & nice bloke. But musically had >tendencies to play for himself and not as part of a team/band. >Problem is, that his ego gets the better of him, and to quote...."his >playing became irksome" to other members of the band. >When he wanted to....he could be brilliant though! >Presently....Nik appears to be trying to 'cash in' on his comparitively >short periodic involvement with HW in the past, as well as Hawkwinds >current 'renaissance' ,in order to make a fast buck out of the more 'naive' >of us followers. >And again undermining the REAL Hawkwind. > >Frankly.....If I were Brock, I think I'd be bloody pissed off with certain >'piecemeal' past Hawkwind activists that contantly try to grab more than >their fair share of the 'cake'. >Brock & Co wants full control of the name. >And by sticking at the helm for 30 odd years.......I think he's morally >entitled to it! > >mel From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 21:15:31 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:15:31 EDT Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2001 6:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET writes: > Again there > is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain > names is a problem.... the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if > I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting > actually, that was sorted out a while back. if you go to bbc.com, it will now re-direct you to the bbc site. I remember seeing this a few years ago and wondered how the bbc let that one go. bob From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Oct 9 21:24:55 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:24:55 -0700 Subject: things I found Message-ID: So I've just picked up, via Ebay, a copy of Sounds dated February 11 1984, which contains an interesting array of goodies. First up, on pg 4, is an ad for the Hawkwind UK tour '84, with date, venues and ticket prices. Next item is pg 13, a full-page ad for the new BOC single, Shooting Shark, in 7" & 12" extended formats. Free limited edition BOC stencil with 12". Also listed are 6 tour dates, with opener Aldo Nova. Page 24 gives us a full-page BOC story, though the text only totals about 1/2 page. It's an interview with Eric, where he slags the yet to be heard Imaginos tracks, and Al in general. Further on on pg 35 we have a box advert for the BOC shows at the Hammersmith Odeon, surrounded by ads for shows by Quiet Riot, Marillion, Saxon, John Cale, Thomas Dolby, China Crisis, Renaissance, The Enid, Snowy White, etc. A fine time to be going to shows in London! Anyway, if someone wants to see these items, I can probably be persuaded to do some scanning..... scorch From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 9 21:37:42 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:37:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: >actually, that was sorted out a while back. >if you go to bbc.com, it will now re-direct you to the bbc site. >I remember seeing this a few years ago and wondered how the bbc let that one >go. That's kinda silly, though. It's just three letters. I mean, what if there was another company with those initials that was just as old and respectable? Heck, what of www.boc.com? Should BOC sue them to get the domain? :-) I'm not saying HW doesn't have a right to hawkwind.com, mind you, I'm just wondering how much legal weight these arguments really have. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 21:42:41 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:42:41 EDT Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: In a message dated 10/9/2001 9:38:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mvdbase at YAHOO.COM writes: > That's kinda silly, though. It's just three letters. I mean, what if there > was another company with those initials that was just as old and > first come, first served basis - I guess. bob From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 9 21:49:53 2001 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc De Montfort) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:49:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of mike ::Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:49 AM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Re: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia :: :: :: Project UFO? (FoFP?) :: ::or was it just UFO? :: ::loved that :: ::wasn't there an episode where a guy on LSD encountered the green faced ::one(s) in a barn? (or were their faces blue?) :: ::miss that swish swish swish of those cool little UFO's :: ::I want a toy replica that operates on new anti-gravity technology, complete ::with lasers, etc.....and at least 4 channel control..... :: ::mike yank (wait, it's rebel) or no, California was neutral More scifi trivia/nostagia The budget and team that was going to do/be the second season of UFO did what show instead? Answer below . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SPACE 1999 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Tue Oct 9 21:53:01 2001 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc De Montfort) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:53:01 -0400 Subject: Auction for America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You are the man Al. Great heart. ::-----Original Message----- ::From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ::Behalf Of albert bouchard ::Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:46 PM ::To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU ::Subject: Auction for America :: :: ::So after the last round of selling stuff on ebay. I got a bunch of ::e-mail from people who wanted to get some item of memorabilia from me ::and couldn't afford the $500 for a Gibson SG. So I went back to my ::storage space and rummaged through those old B?C road cases and found ::all sorts of small things, not worth much of anything really, that ::people can bid on and I put them on ebay with most of the profits ::going to charities for the Sept. 11 relief causes. So if your ::interested and into ebay check it out. ::Al _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 9 22:23:38 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:23:38 EDT Subject: my apologies; disregard my last post! Message-ID: sorry about that. wasn't meant for y'all, obviously. how em-baraskin' bobm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 10 01:29:29 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:29:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Science Behind the Song Stuck in Your Head Message-ID: >I've got a Silver Machine... ;) > >http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-000080020oct07.story?coll=la-news-sc ience That's an interesting article. Though I'm not sold on that repetitive thing. Though I think 'repetitive' in what they're talking about is not the same as 'repetitive' as in the nature of 'blanga' music, 'cause that sort of thing doesn't really stick in my mind. I think they mean repetition of "soundbite melodies" moreso. When I essentially "sing in the shower" for no reason, it's almost never something like Hawkwind. Recently, the tune fragments that I've been stuck on are things like Porcupine Tree's "Pure Narcotic" (No narcotic in my brain, can make this go awaaaaaayyyyyy....I'm sorry that....I'm sorry that I'm not like yooouuuuuuuu) - and I don't even really like that song very much. And for some reason, Supertramp's "Asylum" (Please don't arrange to have me sent to no asylum [bad grammar...ed.], I'm just as sane as anyone.), but then that might have to do more with me thinking about the truth in those lyrics. Or perhaps my doubt about the truth in those lyrics, I dunno. The one BOC song that I'm frequently stuck on is 'I love the Night.' But then I really like that song and sometimes think of it for that reason if walking somewhere at night. Late night TV jingles are hard to ban from the mind too, and thankfully 1-800-Safe-Auto is no longer using that insidious jingle that they tortured us here in Columbus with for about five years. You too? Sorry I just brought it up again. :) Grakkl (FAA) From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 10 03:31:10 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:31:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: What if somebody in another country had the name of your band for a site? Like say somebody in Taiwan had registered hawkwind.com. What could you do across borders? I just thought of that and some other things. I'm not a lawyer but here's what I think; you can register and own any site name you want. However, you cannot claim to be "official" if you are not, further if your domain name would give people the impression of being official you would have to clearly state that the site was not official. I really believe that is it. Also you couldn't use the name to sell products you didn't have a right to, that applies anywhere though. If someone wants the name bad enough they need to buy it from you and keep renewing it so nobody else can get it. They could also hit you with costly lawsuits and try and persuade you that way I suppose. Really though there is no basis unless you have illegal content on there. I heard well known author on the radio recently talking about how he had just went to register his website name and found hisname.com was already taken, by people looking to sell him the rights. He chose hisname.org and moved on. Also I thought I heard recently that the internet council had recently approved a couple of new extensions, in addition to edu, gov, com, and org there was to be a few more. How about www.hawkwind.galaxy? > I'm not saying HW doesn't have a right to hawkwind.com, mind you, I'm just > wondering how much legal weight these arguments really have. > > > From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 10 03:34:58 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 03:34:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Glasto 90, the deep sigh returns Message-ID: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the whole freakin point. If it had been sold as a below par boot performance direct to hard core fans, fine. But selling it as a full price HW release in the mainstream stores, as a legitimate release, pisses off me, and more importantedly, will scare off any prospective new HW fan who reads the Guardian and pops into a regional tower to buy a HW ceedee. >On the contrary, I really must say that Glastonbury 90 impresses me as a >superb Hawkwind performance. True, it is only an audience recording, but I think we should take it for what it is--the only existing recording of a fantastic show. Having collected Hawkwind live tapes for years, I can say I have at least 50 live shows with much worse sound quality (not to mention much worse performance quality). I think it's great that Hawkwind are releasing their own bootlegs in an attempt to beat the "professional" bootleggers at their own game. I can't really say a bad thing about this release. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > "I've never heard "Glastonbury '90" so don't know how good/bad the > sound is, but some of the non-HW-sanctioned releases are about as cynical > as these things get. > -- > Nick Medford" > > Which was the whole bloody problem. If you're a HW fan, you know if you > buy 'Silver Machine Live' on some no mark budget label you're getting a > shitty Dave A rerererererererelease. > > But G90 was band sanctioned, is an official release, and one of the few non > Dave A CDs you find in regional Towers etc. It was, is, and will always > be, a disgrace. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 10 04:44:23 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:44:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <3BC30308.32083.1733FE7@localhost> Message-ID: > > > > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > I'd like to get my hands on a copy signed by the author... :-) Cheers, R. From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Wed Oct 10 04:53:57 2001 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:53:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <034c01c1515d$88ae0980$c7a5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: www.hawkwind.info is free for the moment...! At 02:31 10/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Also I thought I heard recently that the internet council had recently >approved a couple of new extensions, in addition to edu, gov, com, and org >there was to be a few more. How about www.hawkwind.galaxy? Olivier Boigey 35 rue Navier 75017 Paris Tel : 06 68 22 67 67 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 10 05:38:56 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:38:56 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: Bibles and religion... In-Reply-To: Ben Cohen's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:46:38 -0400 Message-ID: Ben Cohen writes: > In the words of everyone's father (in the biological sense): > > "Don't make me stop this car..." Are we there yet??? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 10 05:44:15 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:44:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:05:44 EDT Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > I personally liked the parts with a lot of begetting in them My fave part is The Revelation of St. John. Lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth. I like that. FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Oct 10 07:18:15 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:18:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: Root, i only got half way through your mail. Your first was crass, ignorant and factualy incorrect ( web pages, I work in the industry and you are wrong !) This second mail is just plain bollocks.. Now fuck off back to the I love Nik Turner& Dave Anderson camp. You have been found rumbled. Nik, has ripped me off too many time and plays shit guitar, if you havent listen to any h/w albums since 92 then your a muppet. Live h/w are still awesome, Front men get in the way of a good trip man. sorry i've sworn, i expect to get kicked off the list, but there are people here who are being major assholes. Im off to see h/w tonight and i'll f'ing enjoy it, they rule... I'll not be back until this sorry fucking state of afairs stops. Basically none of this is any of our business, i want hawkwind, to get the monies they deserve and not go into the pockets of wankers who wrote very few decent tunes... Sorry to all the list serv... I know my access will now be blocked.... I think I like my hawkwind too much to get involved in shit slinging. see ya all soon at the gigs... Love & Peace Iain root wrote: > Hi ya, > > Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a > bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner" > > I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of > trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and > 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may. > > What Dave Brock has done (and very well/ruthlessly) is keep the name > Hawkwind going. But what is in the name? It certainly is not the > line-up! One thing I really like about Hawkwind (sorry I hear very > little after 1992) is that the studio stuff has developed over the years > from pure mayhem into something almost Gong like. > > Live, Hawkwind are whatever their line up is at the time. Dave Brock is > never a good 'front man' cause he just stands there and does what he > does. Both Bob Calvert and Nik were excellent front men... They have > stage presence (sorry Dave but I never see stage presence in you). > The best gig I've ever seen in my life was Not Hawkwind but I think just > Nik Huw Loyd and Harvy (I could be wrong it was at Woughton Campus 1st > synesyser fair Milton Keynes about 1983 if anyone has a tape of that I > pay you money no matter what the condition of tape is.) > > The point of this is not to piss Dave Brock off (though it might well do > so) but give him a wake up call. With a kings crown comes > responsibility, nothing is a given even for a king. It is a very very > bad thing when a king declairs war on his most loyal subjects and it > seems to me that is exactly what he is doing regarding domain names. If > hawkwind.com is/was owned by and run by fans then that fact should be > respected (he can ask for stuff to be included/excluded but he has no > right to demand). Today I discover that Nik has released a few cd's > playing on the name Hawkwind and I admitt that is a little naughty but > it also seems clear to me that anyone bothering to look at the covers of > these cd's will realise that they are Nik's not Hawkwinds. > > There is a presidence here. When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom > Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten.... And > lost. Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind. Nik does > have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using > it except as a means of publicizing his work. I don't see him as in any > way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that > Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that > like it or not he is part of the Family. I mentioned Gong above. Gong > have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote > non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons > Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem? > > OK Hawkwind have a tour going on and in the middle of it Nik has a > reunion of ICU and a reunion of some ex-Hawkwind members called > Hawkestra. There is no attempt to say it is the `real' Hawkwind or part > of the official tour, it is just a bunch of people who used to be in > Hawkwind presumably doing a few old Hawkwind numbers. Where is the > problem? There was no problem in '83 at Milton Keynes when Dave Brock > was absent and three people played as Not Hawkwind. Indeed a Dave Brock > (hawkfan) single was promoted there. So what is the big deal now? > > If Dave Brock wants full control over an 'official' Hawkwind web site > then it is up to him to find a suitable vacant domain name and set it up > himself (hell if he wants to give me a couple of quid I'll follow his > orders to the letter myself... I'm very good at web design and very > cheap). Perhaps hawkwind.org is free or hawkwind.net, even > hawkwind.gov ;-) (who do you bribe to get hawkwind.mil?) Again there > is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain > names is a problem.... the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if > I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting > Company we all know and love. > > All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik > is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that > there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate > mis-representation. As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been > no mis-representation so like wheres the problem? > > >> he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there. > > TRUE TRUE TRUE > > Come on Hawkwind, take a deep breath say sorry to the webmaster at > hawkwind.com and everyone will have more respect for you and hail Dave > Brock as the Once and Future King. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I just threw my dinner up... I see Grei Halliwell 'performing' in > front of the troops on the news. Is that sick or what? > > Suddenly I want to die of Anthrax Leprasy Mu! > > Chris From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 10 07:31:46 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:31:46 EDT Subject: OFF: dread your bibles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9 Oct 2001, at 15:12, mike wrote: > and besides, I don't want my locusts to burn, I think they are almost > done,, > personally, I don't like 'em too crunchy... tj From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 10 07:58:44 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:58:44 +0800 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: I think you're safe Iain. Let us know how the gig went. Especially us poor bastards languishing Down Under. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "iain ferguson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock > Root, > > i only got half way through your mail. Your first was crass, ignorant and factualy incorrect ( > web pages, I work in the industry and you are wrong !) > > This second mail is just plain bollocks.. > > Now fuck off back to the I love Nik Turner& Dave Anderson camp. You have been found rumbled. > > Nik, has ripped me off too many time and plays shit guitar, if you havent listen to any h/w > albums since 92 then your a muppet. > Live h/w are still awesome, Front men get in the way of a good trip man. > > sorry i've sworn, i expect to get kicked off the list, but there are people here who are being > major assholes. > > Im off to see h/w tonight and i'll f'ing enjoy it, they rule... I'll not be back until this > sorry fucking state of afairs stops. > > Basically none of this is any of our business, i want hawkwind, to get the monies they deserve > and not go into the pockets of wankers who wrote very few decent tunes... > > Sorry to all the list serv... I know my access will now be blocked.... I think I like my > hawkwind too much to get involved in shit slinging. > > see ya all soon at the gigs... > > Love & Peace > > Iain > > root wrote: > > > Hi ya, > > > > Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a > > bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner" > > > > I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of > > trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and > > 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may. > > > > What Dave Brock has done (and very well/ruthlessly) is keep the name > > Hawkwind going. But what is in the name? It certainly is not the > > line-up! One thing I really like about Hawkwind (sorry I hear very > > little after 1992) is that the studio stuff has developed over the years > > from pure mayhem into something almost Gong like. > > > > Live, Hawkwind are whatever their line up is at the time. Dave Brock is > > never a good 'front man' cause he just stands there and does what he > > does. Both Bob Calvert and Nik were excellent front men... They have > > stage presence (sorry Dave but I never see stage presence in you). > > The best gig I've ever seen in my life was Not Hawkwind but I think just > > Nik Huw Loyd and Harvy (I could be wrong it was at Woughton Campus 1st > > synesyser fair Milton Keynes about 1983 if anyone has a tape of that I > > pay you money no matter what the condition of tape is.) > > > > The point of this is not to piss Dave Brock off (though it might well do > > so) but give him a wake up call. With a kings crown comes > > responsibility, nothing is a given even for a king. It is a very very > > bad thing when a king declairs war on his most loyal subjects and it > > seems to me that is exactly what he is doing regarding domain names. If > > hawkwind.com is/was owned by and run by fans then that fact should be > > respected (he can ask for stuff to be included/excluded but he has no > > right to demand). Today I discover that Nik has released a few cd's > > playing on the name Hawkwind and I admitt that is a little naughty but > > it also seems clear to me that anyone bothering to look at the covers of > > these cd's will realise that they are Nik's not Hawkwinds. > > > > There is a presidence here. When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom > > Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten.... And > > lost. Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind. Nik does > > have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using > > it except as a means of publicizing his work. I don't see him as in any > > way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that > > Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that > > like it or not he is part of the Family. I mentioned Gong above. Gong > > have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote > > non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons > > Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem? > > > > OK Hawkwind have a tour going on and in the middle of it Nik has a > > reunion of ICU and a reunion of some ex-Hawkwind members called > > Hawkestra. There is no attempt to say it is the `real' Hawkwind or part > > of the official tour, it is just a bunch of people who used to be in > > Hawkwind presumably doing a few old Hawkwind numbers. Where is the > > problem? There was no problem in '83 at Milton Keynes when Dave Brock > > was absent and three people played as Not Hawkwind. Indeed a Dave Brock > > (hawkfan) single was promoted there. So what is the big deal now? > > > > If Dave Brock wants full control over an 'official' Hawkwind web site > > then it is up to him to find a suitable vacant domain name and set it up > > himself (hell if he wants to give me a couple of quid I'll follow his > > orders to the letter myself... I'm very good at web design and very > > cheap). Perhaps hawkwind.org is free or hawkwind.net, even > > hawkwind.gov ;-) (who do you bribe to get hawkwind.mil?) Again there > > is a very famous presidence here if you think the similarity of domain > > names is a problem.... the url bbc.com (It's something that obvious if > > I'm wrong) sends you to a company in America not the Broadcasting > > Company we all know and love. > > > > All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik > > is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that > > there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate > > mis-representation. As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been > > no mis-representation so like wheres the problem? > > > > >> he is just, Dave. And with Dave, you get Dave. Nothing fake there. > > > > TRUE TRUE TRUE > > > > Come on Hawkwind, take a deep breath say sorry to the webmaster at > > hawkwind.com and everyone will have more respect for you and hail Dave > > Brock as the Once and Future King. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > > > > I just threw my dinner up... I see Grei Halliwell 'performing' in > > front of the troops on the news. Is that sick or what? > > > > Suddenly I want to die of Anthrax Leprasy Mu! > > > > Chris > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 10 09:26:30 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:26:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:44:23 +0100 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > > > I'd like to get my hands on a copy signed by the author... With *all* of his Names? Have you heard what happens when all His names are written out? FoFP From spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 10 09:35:29 2001 From: spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM (Space Wreck) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:35:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <200110101326.OAA02345@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: --- M Holmes wrote: > With *all* of his Names? Have you heard what happens when all His names > are written out? ...overhead, one by one, the stars were going out... MWood NP: Tangerine Dream - Sea of Dreams (CD 3 of 6) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Wed Oct 10 09:38:29 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:38:29 -0500 Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: from Hawkwinder at AOL.COM: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > all organised religion is hippocracy > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... bob At first I was going to respond that that statement above was not mine but then after seeing your resonse I was so impressed that I'm hoping I can take credit for it anyway? :-) >>> Bob Lennon 10/09/01 07:58PM >>> In a message dated 10/9/2001 11:44:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > all organised religion is hippocracy > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... bob From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 10 09:46:26 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:46:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <20011010133529.13816.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Damn - beaten to it. :-) R. > > > --- M Holmes wrote: > > With *all* of his Names? Have you heard what happens when all His names > > are written out? > > ...overhead, one by one, the stars were going out... > > MWood > > NP: Tangerine Dream - Sea of Dreams (CD 3 of 6) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 10 09:46:26 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:46:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <200110101326.OAA02345@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ah, but you need a monestary full of monks with computers to do that... "One by one, the stars were going out..." :-) R. > > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > > > > > > I'd like to get my hands on a copy signed by the author... > > With *all* of his Names? Have you heard what happens when all His names > are written out? > > FoFP > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Wed Oct 10 10:04:13 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:04:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Domain Names and spin machines Message-ID: > i only got half way through your mail. Your first was crass, > ignorant and factualy incorrect ( > > Nik, has ripped me off too many time and plays shit guitar, >peace and love ???????????????????? > > Iain I like Niks guitar playing, actually he bought it only to punish his mom. -- Doug Bates From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 10 10:31:55 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:31:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? > > "One by one, the stars were going out..." > From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 10 10:49:11 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:49:11 -0400 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short story from the '40's or '50's. Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Allen > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:32 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > > > Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? > > > > "One by one, the stars were going out..." > > > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 11:56:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (blue tail fly) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:56:07 -0600 Subject: HW: Domain Names and spin machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug B wrote: <> Nik's guitar smokes- I think it's a trick of light and shadow and it's really Judge Trev standing behind him If we could just somehow fix the great 2 word "barrier" - 'THE DRAW' maybe buy all ICU material up across shining sea to shining sea? even (vg -) condition LP's with dinged corners and dried ale spills? pins, patches, posters, promo photos and doilies? I wish he could get on with HW (the collective) and things could get worked out- but I don't hold breath now, seeing as how that has been attempted already- maybe if he appears on records as Hawkwind (sax and vocals), but under a band name nothing to do with Hawkwind, who plays NO Hawkwind and then plays occasionally on Hawkwind records as Nik??? (an exclusive name when playing with the BAND) what do you think?? would he be happy??? would Dave and co. ever let him up again? the draw, the draw, money, and that derned draw buzz buzz From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 10 11:12:09 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:12:09 +0100 Subject: "One by one..." Message-ID: ta very much, like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shipley" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: "One by one..." > Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short story from the > '40's or '50's. > > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Chris Allen > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:32 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > > > > > > Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? > > > > > > "One by one, the stars were going out..." > > > > > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 10 11:32:07 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:32:07 +0100 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arthur C Clarke isn't it? The title's right though. Cheers, R. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Allen > Sent: 10 October 2001 16:12 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: "One by one..." > > > ta very much, like. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Shipley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:49 PM > Subject: "One by one..." > > > > Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short > story from the > > '40's or '50's. > > > > Ship > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > > Behalf Of Chris Allen > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:32 AM > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? > > > > > > > > "One by one, the stars were going out..." > > > > > > > > > > From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Oct 10 11:37:25 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:37:25 +0100 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Craig Shipley writes >Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short story from the >'40's or '50's. Nope, it's from 'The Billion Names Of God', an Arthur C Clarke short story. >Ship > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Chris Allen >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:32 AM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles >> >> >> Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? >> > >> > "One by one, the stars were going out..." >> > >> -- David Blair From spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 10 11:50:01 2001 From: spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM (Space Wreck) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:50:01 -0700 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "The Nine Billion Names of God", was first published in 1953. He wrote some fantastic short stories, IMO. Check out any anthology that includes the above and "Rescue Party", from 1946. MWood --- David Blair wrote: > In article , Craig > Shipley writes > >Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short story from > the > >'40's or '50's. > > Nope, it's from 'The Billion Names Of God', an Arthur C Clarke short > story. > > >Ship > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >> Behalf Of Chris Allen > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:32 AM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >> Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > >> > >> > >> Hmmm, where does this most excellent quote come from? > >> > > >> > "One by one, the stars were going out..." > >> > > >> > > -- > David Blair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From prjt2501 at PTD.NET Wed Oct 10 12:26:11 2001 From: prjt2501 at PTD.NET (Project2501) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:26:11 -0400 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, Arthur C. Clarke. Fantastic short story. Bill > > Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short > story from the '40's or '50's. From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 10 13:02:56 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:02:56 -0400 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: <002901c151a8$468a2a20$cd20e518@msns.sm.ptd.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the corrections, all, I didn't think that I had it right... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Project2501 > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:26 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: "One by one..." > > > Actually, Arthur C. Clarke. Fantastic short story. > > > > Bill > > > > > > Heinlein, I believe. "The 9 Billion Names Of God". A short > > story from the '40's or '50's. > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 10 13:22:57 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:22:57 +0100 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:32:07 +0100 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > Arthur C Clarke isn't it? The title's right though. Clarke, yes. It might be a short story in "The Other Side of the Sky". FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 10 12:23:55 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:23:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Names and spin machines Message-ID: MC mc'ed... >maybe buy all ICU material up across shining sea to shining sea? even (vg >-) condition LP's with dinged corners and dried ale spills? > >pins, patches, posters, promo photos and doilies? You left out urinal mats. You know, "Piss on Nik." Grakkl (FAA) From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 10 14:04:16 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Trev (Judge)) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:04:16 +0000 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS Judge Accordion >M Holmes wrote: > > > Daniel Jackson writes: > > > > > and on a more serious note; > > > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER > > > > Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with > > people... > >No it isn't... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 16:21:58 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:21:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Domain Names and spin machines In-Reply-To: <200110101740.NAA23431@mail6.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <<"You left out urinal mats. You know, "Piss on Nik."">> (KH) Hey! R'n'R promtional Urinal Mats! I like it!!! Nik's should be a cheap "made in hong kong" thing, with tiny battery and sensor like these halloween toys that are in the grocery store- the damn things seem to notice when you go by and say stuff.....anyway, Nik's voice should say "Brainstorm, Brainstorm" when you get lined up and ready. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 10 15:04:44 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:04:44 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: > ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS > > Judge Accordion Accordions judged. And found wanting. Largely in areas of taste. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 10 13:25:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:25:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: >>Velvet Underground - Final V.U. - $40.00 > >NB There is no Lou Reed on this set! It consists entirely of the post- >Reed, Doug Yule/Willie Alexander version of the band! You have been >warned! As I was just discussing with Doug off-line, I don't really know what the post-Reed Yule-fronted VU was like. I only know the 'hits' from Loaded (Sweet Jane, Rock and Roll) that were Reed songs, and I know nothing of the album 'Squeeze' that was recorded under mysterious conditions in the UK by just Yule and some questionable contributions from session musicians, including (or not) Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Has anyone ever heard this album? I guess it's pretty steep to get an original vinyl, and no CD releases have apparently been produced. >(Has anyone heard anything about the box set that's supposed to >come out soon from Robert Quine's tape collection ... supposedly it will >contain some high-quality never-booted live recordings?) Review from Alternative Press... V.U. Bootleg Series Volume 1: The Quine Tapes Rating: 9 out of 10 Synopsis: A rare portrait of one of rock's most important and influential groups Perhaps more remarkable than the music on this 3-CD set are the circumstances under which it was recorded. In 1969, the V.U. were, at best, marginally popular - that anyone thought to bootleg them at all is stunning. Guitarist Robert Quine - who later co-founded Richard Hell & the Voidoids and recorded with Lou Reed, Brian Eno, Matthew Sweet and others - was a devoted fan. Quine started taping VU live and eventually became friendly with the band; he soon found himself getting on the guest list for every gig and being asked to play back tunes from previous sets for Lou Reed & Co. so they could check out their own performances. Amazingly, Quine even had the foresight to dump onto reel-to-reel tapes what he considered to be the strongest peformances from his original cassettes. Those four hours comprise what is now known as 'The Quine Tapes.' These recordings were captured at three different venues - a large hall, a small club and a basketball gym. The sound is variable, but on the whole decent enough. But the performances more than make up for any technical shortcomings - the band are in fine form throughout, whether they're working out tunes for Loaded (which they would record soon after) or extending old favorites into new, jaz-influenced rave-ups, as heard on the extended workings of songs like "White Light/White Heat" and "I'm Waiting for the Man." "Sister Ray" appears once on each disc, with the shortest version clocking in at 24 minutes - each take is an epic adventure. These performances provide a rare portrait of one of rock's most important and influential groups. (Polydor/UME) Todd Hutlock ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Methinks if you had a choice, you'd go with this boxset over the Cap'n Trip one, at least as a start. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Sabalon Glitz - Ufonic (does this band still exist? Any other recordings?) From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 10 15:35:14 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:35:14 -0400 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Everybody polka!! Or DIE!!! (Now where did my copy of Polkacide go???) Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Trev (Judge) > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:04 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Off:just to make you all laugh > > > ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS > > Judge Accordion > > > >M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Daniel Jackson writes: > > > > > > > and on a more serious note; > > > > NEARLY ALL THE WORLDS RELIGIONS PROMOTE DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVER > > > > > > Discordianism doesn't. Religious devotion is expressed by arguing with > > > people... > > > >No it isn't... > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 10 15:33:26 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:33:26 -0400 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:04:16 +0000, Trev (Judge) wrote: >ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS ... and praise be to the great Yankovics (Frank AND Al)! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 16:43:05 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:43:05 -0600 Subject: HW:(off) Domain Names and Talking Urinal screens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"You left out urinal mats. You know, "Piss on Nik."">> (KH) Warning- the article at this link contains tacky language: http://www.mulletmadness.com/news-urinal.html From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 10 15:47:23 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:47:23 -0400 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: <200110101933.PAA10478@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Doug proclaimed from upon high: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:04:16 +0000, Trev (Judge) > wrote: > >ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS > > ... and praise be to the great Yankovics (Frank AND Al)! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > Who are NOT related to each other! 'Proud to be an infidel!' Ship From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 10 15:45:25 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:45:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:25:42 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >>>Velvet Underground - Final V.U. - $40.00 >> >>NB There is no Lou Reed on this set! It consists entirely of the post- >>Reed, Doug Yule/Willie Alexander version of the band! You have been >>warned! > >As I was just discussing with Doug off-line, I don't really know what the >post-Reed Yule-fronted VU was like. I only know the 'hits' from Loaded >(Sweet Jane, Rock and Roll) that were Reed songs, and I know nothing of the >album 'Squeeze' that was recorded under mysterious conditions in the UK by >just Yule and some questionable contributions from session musicians, >including (or not) Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Has anyone ever heard this >album? I guess it's pretty steep to get an original vinyl, and no CD >releases have apparently been produced. There's a website devoted to this album that I *think* (I could be wrong) is run by a guy who's on the Yahoo! Hawkwind list. You might try posting this query on that one (or do a google search for "Velvet Underground" and "Squeeze") ... there was also an article on the post-Reed band in a back issue of MOJO (as I mentioned in our offlist discussion). >>V.U. Bootleg Series Volume 1: The Quine Tapes >>Rating: 9 out of 10 >>Synopsis: A rare portrait of one of rock's most important and >>influential groups >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Methinks if you had a choice, you'd go with this boxset over the Cap'n Trip >one, at least as a start. Uh, yes. Absolutely no question. I'll be standing in line to pick one up when it's released next tuesday. >ObCD: Sabalon Glitz - Ufonic (does this band still exist? > Any other recordings?) I don't think that Chris Holmes has done anything remotely spacerock in years. (Funny, I was going through some old pictures this weekend and found some of me, Chris & Carla from Sabalon Glitz [who now lives in Australia AFAIK] messing around with some of his synths ... also found some of me playing in Philadelphia in a band that included Chris Forsyth of W.O.O./etc. in '94) He (Chris Holmes) was recently in the news for being in Billy Corgan's post-Smashing Pumpkins backup band when they played on the last-ever episode of the 'Bozo the Clown' TV show in Chicago! I suspect that he came to the same conclusion that Grenas & Del Rio did ... there's no money to be made in spacerock! There was a Sabalon Glitz 7" that preceded the CD. I also have, somewhere, a live tape of SG doing "Spirit of the Age" in a very techno/trance-type version that sounds similar to one of the Astralasia remixes (except that this was recorded before those remixes were released). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Oct 10 16:04:10 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:04:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Names and spin machines Message-ID: Other things Nik's voice could say/sing, in such circumstances: "We're Standing On The Edge" "I'm drowning in the dying seas of time" "Why does it always rain on me?" (not HW admittedly) -------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:21:58 -0600, mike c wrote: ><<"You left out urinal mats. You know, "Piss on Nik."">> (KH) > >Hey! R'n'R promtional Urinal Mats! I like it!!! > >Nik's should be a cheap "made in hong kong" thing, with tiny battery and >sensor like these halloween toys that are in the grocery store- the damn >things seem to notice when you go by and say stuff.....anyway, Nik's voice >should say "Brainstorm, Brainstorm" when you get lined up and ready. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 10 17:11:47 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:11:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) Message-ID: I wasn't going to post on this - but here goes. I first spoke to Nik (and others in ICU) in 79 - even then he was bleating on about he was the true Hawkwind spirit. He rejoins in 84, and lo, portrays himself as the spirit of Hawkwind. They all fall out in 85 - Nik complains it's unfair, unfair. Yet at that time he was hiring out gear fo himself in Hawkwind's name, I've heard. Also Hawkwind at 'Henge Dave Brock does the work, Nik again tries to take the credit as the spirit behind it all. What I do know is that I was at Hawkon in 85 - and had the pleasure of working behind Trev Hughes stall for most of the event. Now what I can say is this - I've met a number of Hawkwind members and ex-members over the years (although they won't remember me - and why should they?) - and all have been exceptionally nice to me. However, at that event every single one with the exception of Huw, Harvey, and Nic Potter, badmouthed Dave Brock behind his back which to my mind is piss poor. But lo and be-f***ing hold when there's a chance for them to join the queue to join the band,they are in there - and no shame about it. I think the most honest ex-Hawk I've met is Lemmy, what he said in private he said in public. I'll tell you this some of the official HW output has been poor - but you know what I did guys, I didn't buy it! I didn't treat it like some personal affront and as for the unofficial releases and Nikwind stuff - I don't buy it. It's just not for me. There's stacks of other artists out there who are interesting. And as for being a "Kollector" - grow up kids. Hawkwind don't owe me anything - they aren't some kind of counter-culture beacon, I left that kind of stuff when I was thirteen. Those who view them in such a way need to look to themselves - big time. Hawkwind are about music: rock - space rock. Those who say: I really looked up to you and now I don't, therefore, I'm not going to buy you records - eh, get a life. I love the music when it's on form, and the people when I meet them, I like. But as for being some kind of "totem", please, that's reserved for others - no disrespect to Dave, Huw, and co. The final analysis is pretty easy to make - and I think Dave has made it. It is this: 1. there are those who are talented - and there are the rest. The talented are: Dave Brock Huw Lloyd Langton Simon King Lemmy Simon House Bob Calvert Adrian Shaw Tim Blake Alan Davey Richard Chadwick Harvey Bainbridge Jerry Richards Captain Black obviously Bob isn't available `and Simon K is "retired". Dave I suppose will pick those who he wishes to use - and why not. 2. lack of official activity has created a void for imposters to fill Hence official tour and future recordings 3. get out there and kick some arse Dave!! Give it some serious welly on the tour! As for Nik and ICU - didn't they part company because the band were sick and tired of him not writing songs but taking all the credit. Sound familiar. Don't get me wrong Nik - nice guy. Shite musician. As for being a shyster and hustler, others will have to post. See you all on the tour. Dave ```` From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Oct 10 16:46:40 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:46:40 +0100 Subject: HW: DIY Blanga Message-ID: Hi ya, The spores are slowly falling out of my head. I discovered a good game to play on my PC the other day and you might even like it too! I use linux so don't ask me how to do this on Wintendo I don't know! I been slowly transfering my Hawk albums to CDR. Also I have a TV card. One night I was playing Text Of Festival whilst watching Placeabo(?) playng live on TV. I wondered What happens if I mix CD out with line in (tv card) and record the result? The result of the mix is GOOD! muddy chanting (by Placebo) over werid drum beats that never happened. It sounds live, like it really happened. It don't sound like Hawkwind and it probably don't sound like Placebo... More like early Velvet Underground! Frank Zappa would sometimes take a live bass track and mix it with live drum track from something completely different to create what sounds like improvised jazz. I figure you can take any two live tracks and mix em together to create new sounds or even music, just be careful that only one track has lyrics at a time.. The great thing about Text Of Festival is its long instrumental bits and its muddyness which seems to infiltrate into whatever other track you play over it to mutate it into something completely unexpected. Kinda makes up for the poverty that means I'm stuck up a mountain when I'd rather be at the Royal Festival Hall:-( Experiment and have fun! At least its better than finding you just got another Anderson rip off;-} NB. I thought Dave Brock was merely a baron... Who had to die to make him king? Chris From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 18:18:39 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:18:39 -0600 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) In-Reply-To: <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e@default> Message-ID: but Jesus isn't getting favorable reviews on this list if not HW who? just kidding- I like to think it's a bomb to take pokes at the ears of the as-yet-not-heard Hawkwind folk who thought their tunes were tops (and speaking of folks who even fit that framework, obviously) rather than counter-culture "turn on, tune in" I like to think it's "fu*k off, hear what you missed and I discovered" I want all the colors, I'll pay and I promise not to bitch so how do you learn to be happy with just a blue one? and no hair? mc 13 From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 18:25:15 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:25:15 -0600 Subject: HW: DIY Blanga In-Reply-To: <3BC4B3B0.6A3D8FB8@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <<"Who had to die to make him king?" Chris>> please please Baron King. is that acceptable? I'm not ready for the sacrifice have I run out of time so soon? m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 10 18:29:27 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:29:27 -0600 Subject: HW: DIY Blanga ( I know I've reached nuissance level) Message-ID: <<"Who had to die to make him king?" Chris>> Someone at U.A? on the original Warrior label, the demented man becomes "the demented king" it's Dave's tune m From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Oct 10 17:57:30 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:57:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:11:47 +0100, dave hall wrote: I'll tell you this some of the official HW output has been poor - but you know what I did guys, I didn't buy it! I didn't treat it like some personal affront and as for the unofficial releases and Nikwind stuff - I don't buy it. It's just not for me. ------------------------- Well said. I totally agree. All of us on this list can pick up enough comments from people to know what is good HW and what isn't, given the vagaries of personal taste. I normally don't say much on the subject of N.Turner, or the arguments going around at the moment on various subjects. But all these people are trying to make a living. I have no problem with anyone doing that (trying to make money is not a crime): it's when you use someone else's name/reputation to do it that the problem arises. Other list members have expressed varying degrees of opinion on whether or not this is what's happening with Nik and his gang of merry pranksters (hairy gangsters?) - I haven't been to any of his gigs or bought any of his CD's, so won't add my ill-informed views to the debate. Because I agree with Dave, if you don't like it - don't buy it. From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Wed Oct 10 19:15:33 2001 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:15:33 EDT Subject: HW: RFH comments. Message-ID: Ahhh, finished an hour ago. ( do I get the record for fastest report ). Well it was full of hairys, smoke and dodgy smells . The surroundings were very plush, not your normal venue to see hawkwind... And not a run of the mill set. its great to see Huw back ( I eat my words and worries), he was tops, very much having a scream of a time with the rest of the band, They were laughing all the way through, very very much a band enjoying being out there playing some of the most fluid and ambient music i've ever seen them play. Tim blake is quiet the performer ( last time was 79 so cant really remember him). And the band started with Lighthouse. Suprise of the night for me and i'd have thought everyone there , the band played a blinding The Watcher !!!!!!! Hashish/ space is not , ejection, motorway city , hurry on sundown, and a new and very weird sonic attack ( i think ?) the band was Keith, Jez, Tim, Ali, Richard, Huw & Dave.with Alan very much directing the band, and boy is it good to have him back driving the band, Him and Richard never sounded better. Nice to hear Jez, some really good sax stuff on Space is not... and Magnu. Looks like the tour is going to be a stunna. Anyone know if that t-shirt dave was wearing is a new one, looks pretty cool... hey I took a Hawkwind Virgin to the gig ( hahahahaha i love doing that it blew his bloody socks off !!! ) Right , i'm off to work... Catch you all later i'm starting to witter on now. regards iain From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Oct 10 20:02:50 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:02:50 +0100 Subject: HW:Festival Hall Message-ID: Well bugger me, "The Watcher", who'd a thunk it!!! Somebody should tell the sound man that you're supposed to be able to hear Simon in "Spiral Galaxy"!!! ChrisW From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Oct 10 20:13:38 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:13:38 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: "We are looking in on you now......" From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Oct 10 20:44:50 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:44:50 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/2001 5:44:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Bob Lennon writes: > > > I personally liked the parts with a lot of begetting in them > > My fave part is The Revelation of St. John. Lots of wailing and gnashing > of teeth. I like that. > > FoFP > you gotta point there, but nothing beats those sultry tales of the old in-out bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Oct 10 20:49:38 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:49:38 EDT Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/2001 9:43:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > from Hawkwinder at AOL.COM: > > laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > > > all organised religion is hippocracy > > > > > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... > > bob > > At first I was going to respond that that statement above was not mine but > then after seeing your resonse I was so impressed that I'm hoping I can > by all means Laura, you take credit for the above. assuming you were referring to the fundies' wives comment? bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Oct 10 20:56:21 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:56:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/2001 3:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > As I was just discussing with Doug off-line, I don't really know what the > post-Reed Yule-fronted VU was like. I only know the 'hits' from Loaded > (Sweet Jane, Rock and Roll) that were Reed songs, and I know nothing of the > album 'Squeeze' that was recorded under mysterious conditions in the UK by > just Yule and some questionable contributions from session musicians, > including (or not) Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Has anyone ever heard this > album? I guess it's pretty steep to get an original vinyl, and no CD > I purchased it (I beleive in the 70's) having no idea at the time what the hell it was, so no John, no Lou, played it once and gave it to my brother the same day. I barely remember it being not very interesting...and not very V.U. like. maybe a listen 25 years later would help? NOT bob From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 10 22:49:33 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:49:33 +0800 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: It was just called UFO, and in case some of you aren't aware, Alan Davey's Chaos Delight album contains not only his version of the theme music, but also many other homage's to the series. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia > Project UFO? (FoFP?) > > or was it just UFO? > > loved that > > wasn't there an episode where a guy on LSD encountered the green faced > one(s) in a barn? (or were their faces blue?) > > miss that swish swish swish of those cool little UFO's > > I want a toy replica that operates on new anti-gravity technology, complete > with lasers, etc.....and at least 4 channel control..... > > mike yank (wait, it's rebel) or no, California was neutral > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 10 22:49:59 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:49:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anathema Message-ID: I'm not into trash. But after reading intriguing reviews & hearing a sample, I went ahead and bought Anathema's latest album. It's... jaw dropping. I just don't have any words for it. Quite simply, one of the best albums I've ever heard. There are bits of Pink Floyd in it, and Radiohead, and Stabbing Westward, and Hogarth's Marillion... Mix all that together, and you still won't have an accurate picture. They have crafted a new style, unique, out of all these influences. It's just grand. I'm definitely impressed. Anyway. Had to share :-) Can only recommend this. Strongly. It's called "A fine day to exit" and it's out on the "Music For Nations" label. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 01:51:58 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:51:58 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: graham coxon? the guy from blur, i didn't see him play a few numbers with hawkwind. the watcher was excellent though, from were i was sitting i could hear simon house really well but couldn't make out much of Huw's guitar playing. Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: RFH > "We are looking in on you now......" From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Oct 11 02:37:15 2001 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:37:15 +1000 Subject: OFF: Re: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: <20011010155001.45690.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If anyone is interested, this is available in full at (one of several sites I found) Only takes a few minutes to read. I had a quick look for "Rescue Party" but couldn't find it straight off. It might be out there somewhere. Pete. ObCD: Original Bad Company Anthology At 08:50 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "The Nine Billion Names >of God", was first published in 1953. > >He wrote some fantastic short stories, IMO. Check out >any anthology that includes the above and "Rescue >Party", from 1946. > >MWood > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 11 03:14:45 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:14:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > It was just called UFO, and in case some of you aren't aware, Alan Davey's > Chaos Delight album contains not only his version of the theme music, but > also many other homage's to the series. > > William > That would be the Gerry Anderson show, but there was also an American show call Project UFO about a couple of guys going round investigating UFO sightings. Nick From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Oct 11 05:07:29 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:07:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anathema Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:49:59 -0400 From: "Alex S. Garcia" Subject: OFF: Anathema I'm not into trash. But after reading intriguing reviews & hearing a sample, Hurrah!!! A convert! Now go and buy the others, but start with Eternity which is absolutley fabulous and features a Roy Harper appearance and cover version. Everything apres Pentecost III is a must, and even the earlier more metallic ceedees are worth cjhecking out. >>>>>>>>>I went ahead and bought Anathema's latest album. It's... jaw dropping. I just don't have any words for it. Quite simply, one of the best albums I've ever heard. There are bits of Pink Floyd in it, and Radiohead, and Stabbing Westward, and Hogarth's Marillion... Mix all that together, and you still won't have an accurate picture. They have crafted a new style, unique, out of all these influences. It's just grand. I'm definitely impressed. Anyway. Had to share :-) Can only recommend this. Strongly. It's called "A fine day to exit" and it's out on the "Music For Nations" label. Alex. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 11 06:32:07 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:32:07 +0100 Subject: "One by one..." In-Reply-To: Space Wreck's message of Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: Space Wreck writes: > Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "The Nine Billion Names > of God", was first published in 1953. > > He wrote some fantastic short stories, IMO. Check out > any anthology that includes the above and "Rescue > Party", from 1946. Yeah, "Rescue Party" and "The Last Command" have kicking last lines. I liked the one about the walk home in the dark on the Moon too. Was that "The Other Side of the sky"? The other great short SF writer IMHO was "A.E.Van Vogt", I covered him, Clarke, and Wyndham for my English higher exam at school, though admittedly this wasn't a formal arrangement and went considerably against the advice or agreement of my teacher. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 11 06:33:57 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:33:57 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: Chris Allen's message of Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:04:44 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Allen writes: > > ALL HAIL THE GREAT GOD OF ACCORDIANISM - DEATH TO THE UNBELIEVERS > > > > Judge Accordion > > Accordions judged. > And found wanting. > Largely in areas of taste. Arghhh. Now I've got the theme of Captain Pugwash stuck in my head. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 11 06:35:29 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:35:29 +0100 Subject: Off:just to make you all laugh In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > Everybody polka!! Or DIE!!! > > (Now where did my copy of Polkacide go???) Isn't the major conspiracy theory concerning the death of Robert Kennedy that a woman in a polka dot dress was the real assassin and escaped with a male accomplice down the fire escape? Mike "MK Ultra" Holmes From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 11 08:08:32 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:08:32 -0600 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <000f01c15224$6839c000$4a44fc3e@pc447> Message-ID: <> Oh WOW!!!! I was beginning to think I was the ONLY ONE who remembered that Project UF0 show, and even I had let it go- I used to LOVE that, as some of the portrayels were downright flipped-out for their day!- and boy was that a long time ago as well- when was that show? late 70's??? Is there any place or any way to get- find- see those shows again? is there any means to go about this? I would just love to anaylize them again as they have never been re-run I don't think, and even if cheesy, I wouldn't doubt if the content itself is too dangerous for the average American "Joe" to be exposed to in this take-UFO's-as Roswell and Area-51 day and age- some of the cases were quite good ones indeed, and are probably not allowed on TV now...........(IMHO, and I know UFO's are laughed at by some here, thats OK) my next comment is about the "Trumpets" (and accompanying music) that was at the VERY START of all those Gerry Anderson shows-? (didn't they all have that little leader? here in USA at least) that music always got my attention and made my "ears perk up" like nothing else ever- I really miss that stuff- it used to put me in such a strange mood- and I liked being put in that mood- my childhood- the "actual childhood" mike c From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Oct 11 07:35:58 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:35:58 -0400 Subject: Give me Polka or give me Death! In-Reply-To: <200110111035.LAA17198@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: No, it's a cutout CD that I bought many years ago. This is a real band out of San Francisco that took a punk approach to the traditional German polka band. Their logo is a skull wearing the traditional Tyrolean green hat with strings of crossed weiners underneath. Check out the lyrics to "Who Stole The Keeshka"; 'Who stole the keeshka? WHO STOLE THE KEESHKA?!? LET'S GO KICK THEIR *SS!!!' And you just gotta love a clarinet player with a shaved head and metal studs attached to it, Mohawk style. Good for when you want to have a more rowdy Octoberfest! Infidel with a beer, pork rinds and a gun, Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:35 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Off:just to make you all laugh > > > Craig Shipley writes: > > > Everybody polka!! Or DIE!!! > > > > (Now where did my copy of Polkacide go???) > > Isn't the major conspiracy theory concerning the death of Robert Kennedy > that a woman in a polka dot dress was the real assassin and escaped with > a male accomplice down the fire escape? > > Mike "MK Ultra" Holmes > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 11 07:33:18 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:33:18 EDT Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) In-Reply-To: <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e@default> Message-ID: On 10 Oct 2001, at 22:11, dave hall wrote: > I'll tell you this some of the official HW output has been poor - but > you know what I did guys, I didn't buy it! I didn't treat it like some > personal affront and as for the unofficial releases and Nikwind stuff > - I don't buy it. It's just not for me. There's stacks of other > artists out there who are interesting. And as for being a "Kollector" > - grow up kids. Hawkwind don't owe me anything - they aren't some kind > of counter-culture beacon, I left that kind of stuff when I was > thirteen. Those who view them in such a way need to look to themselves > - big time. Hawkwind are about music: rock - space rock. Those who > say: I really looked up to you and now I don't, therefore, I'm not > going to buy you records - eh, get a life. I love the music when it's > on form, and the people when I meet them, I like. But as for being > some kind of "totem", please, that's reserved for others - no > disrespect to Dave, Huw, and co. > This is a great observation, and could apply to any band, esp. a certain other band this list deals with. Enjoy the fuckin' music, but don't make it a goddamned religion! theo From nick at NETPHD.NET Thu Oct 11 07:37:54 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:37:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Divine Wind; and OFF Message-ID: Well, I finally got around to downloading the Divine Wind video, and I thought it was pretty cool. I can fully understand the concern among some viewers. . . especially those who don\'t live here in America. . . with many of the images of Arabs. I can only speak for myself, but I hope most Americans would agree with me here: Such imagery does not make me want to go out and start beating up the first Middle- Eastern person I see. In fact, I could have done that already if I\'d wanted to. We\'ve got an Iranian couple living down the street from us. Their son happens to be one of my son\'s best friends, and since Sept. 11th, he\'s been to our house and my son has been to their house. As far as I can tell, nobody in my neighborhood is treating them any differently in light of the attacks. The fact remains. . . and it\'s an indisputable one. . . that Muslims from the Middle East ARE largely responsible for what happened on Sept. 11th. Thus, there\'s nothing, in my opinion, inappropriate about showing the violence and anger that grips that region to point out how it has caused their negative reaction to our way of life, or to \"stoke our patriotic fires\" a little bit. If you want to get into the real root causes of their hostility toward us. . . mainly our foreign policy. . . that\'s fine. Personally, I\'ve always felt that U.S. foreign policy in many regions, but perhaps mostly the Middle East, has been misguided and wrong-headed. Ironically, however, Osama bin Laden and his cohorts have pushed that issue to the back burner. Right now, the only voices in America who seem to want to blame the U.S. for September 11th are the ultra-liberals like Michael Moore and Rage Against the Machine (Not to mention more legitimate liberal thinkers). And basically, their opinions. . . which have a lot of merit. . . have pretty much been crushed under the heels of more hawkish sentiments, thanks to the very event that was supposed to \"open our eyes\" to it. We\'re totally ignoring what these people want and need wholly because of how they tried to call our attention to it. Even I, a longtime fan of Michael Moore, am getting tired of his \"unpatriotism\". If I get another e-mail update from him that starts out with his \"Sept. 11th was a horrible tragedy, BUT. . . \" attitude, I may just unsubscribe from his list. I\'ve been cynical and skeptical of the U.S. government for a long time. . . but I refuse to blame America, the American way of life or the American people for what happened September 11th. And there are thousands of motherless and fatherless children out there who didn\'t \"have it coming\". I realize that I rambled quite a bit, but the basic point is this: Arabs and Muslims on the whole are not our emenies. But our enemies ARE Arab and Muslim, coincidentally or not. Just my two cents. Please don\'t hurt me. --Nick From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 11 08:46:59 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:46:59 -0600 Subject: Give me Polka or give me Death! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: and lets not forget that the Accordion is a WIND instrument!!! and where is that USA late-night channel 8 news polka guy! so now a "Polkadelic" LP is needed? m and on that Polkacide- were the metal studs in mohawk style attached to the Clarinet, or the shaved head? mike nomullets please c From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Oct 11 07:49:49 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:49:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) Message-ID: dave hall wrote: > . Now what I can say is this - I've met a number of Hawkwind members and ex-members over the years (although they won't remember me - and why should they?) - and all have been exceptionally nice to me. However, at that event every single one with the exception of Huw, Harvey, and Nic Potter When was Nic Potter with Hawkwind? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 11 08:12:17 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:12:17 +0100 Subject: Give me Polka or give me Death! Message-ID: Does anyone remember the pisstake Polka toons on the Bad Channels soundtrack??? I loved them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shipley" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Give me Polka or give me Death! > No, it's a cutout CD that I bought many years ago. This is a real band out > of San Francisco that took a punk approach to the traditional German polka > band. Their logo is a skull wearing the traditional Tyrolean green hat with > strings of crossed weiners underneath. Check out the lyrics to "Who Stole > The Keeshka"; 'Who stole the keeshka? WHO STOLE THE KEESHKA?!? LET'S GO KICK > THEIR *SS!!!' And you just gotta love a clarinet player with a shaved head > and metal studs attached to it, Mohawk style. > > Good for when you want to have a more rowdy Octoberfest! > > Infidel with a beer, pork rinds and a gun, > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of M Holmes > > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:35 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Off:just to make you all laugh > > > > > > Craig Shipley writes: > > > > > Everybody polka!! Or DIE!!! > > > > > > (Now where did my copy of Polkacide go???) > > > > Isn't the major conspiracy theory concerning the death of Robert Kennedy > > that a woman in a polka dot dress was the real assassin and escaped with > > a male accomplice down the fire escape? > > > > Mike "MK Ultra" Holmes > > > From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Oct 11 09:04:12 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:04:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: > In a message dated 10/10/2001 3:21:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > > > As I was just discussing with Doug off-line, I don't really know what the > > post-Reed Yule-fronted VU was like. I only know the 'hits' from Loaded > > (Sweet Jane, Rock and Roll) that were Reed songs, and I know nothing of the > > album 'Squeeze' that was recorded under mysterious conditions in the UK by > > just Yule and some questionable contributions from session musicians, > > including (or not) Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Has anyone ever heard this > > album? I guess it's pretty steep to get an original vinyl, and no CD > > > > I purchased it (I beleive in the 70's) having no idea at the time what the > hell it was, so no John, no Lou, played it once and gave it to my brother the > same day. > I barely remember it being not very interesting...and not very V.U. like. > maybe a listen 25 years later would help? NOT Personally, I think Doug Yule did a decent job of imitating Lou, at least on the Amsterdam recording I have. The passion is lacking, but I feel that's been the case with Lou for a long time, at least in the studio. So you could say _Squeeze_ was just ahead of it's time. (-8 It's not as bad as people say, but it's not good either. Just pretty bland. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 09:14:12 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:14:12 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: I couldn't get into it at all last night, a combination of my bad mood created by the redundancies at my workplace yesterday, thoughts of war and the appalling mixing last night. It's a shame because it looked like it was probably a good gig if you could hear anything properly. I think I could just about hear Dave Brock's guitar but I'm not sure. His vocals were way too loud at the start of some songs. I couldn't hear any sax whatsoever until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. So much for my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I did at least like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali Daveys's head gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it sounded shite. Alastair. From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Oct 11 09:16:39 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:16:39 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: Will anyone have a recording of this available soon? -----Original Message----- From: Alastair Lee Sumner To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/10/01 09:14 Subject: Re: HW: RFH I couldn't get into it at all last night, a combination of my bad mood created by the redundancies at my workplace yesterday, thoughts of war and the appalling mixing last night. It's a shame because it looked like it was probably a good gig if you could hear anything properly. I think I could just about hear Dave Brock's guitar but I'm not sure. His vocals were way too loud at the start of some songs. I couldn't hear any sax whatsoever until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. So much for my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I did at least like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali Daveys's head gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it sounded shite. Alastair. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 09:41:10 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:41:10 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: I sort of agree with Alastair. Alex and I were sitting in row L at the left hand side, just under the balcony. We had pretty terrible sound all night. Barely heard any guitar, vocals from the bottom of a bucket, quiet drums, muffled everything, with occassionally bits of something coming through. It was a shame cos it looked as if they were enjoying themselves on stage. My few song titles I can remember (in no particular order) are Lighthouse, Moonglum, Levitation, Spiral Galaxy 28948 (bits of violin heard here), The Watcher (poor vocals I thought), Angels of Death, New Jerusalem, Motorway City, Hurry on Sundown, Assassins of Allah. The 2 poems that Mike M did vocals for were Sonic Attack and Damned by the Curse of Man encore A+B, Golden Void Disappointment with the strong line up of musicians Dave, Ali, Tim, Keith, Richard, Huw, Simon & Jez (arguably the most skillful musicians that have graced the HW lineup) who were having fun and all I could hear was mush. Also a bit worried that there appeared to be no new songs. Due to not having Jerry R or Ron the songs chosen were quite laid back, not as punky. No punky silver machine or Alchemy. Also after hearing the raves about Canterbury I was sad that this one didn't work for me. The lighting was good, with worthwhile projections on the big back screen, oil lamps and whirling coloured flowers/suns/brains/etc. RFH chairs are tiny, and I had to stand for a while, to keep circulation below the knee. Was there anything good on the merchandise stall? Anyone else with other memories? Big Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Alastair Lee Sumner [mailto:als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK] > Sent: 11 October 2001 14:14 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: RFH > > > I couldn't get into it at all last night, a combination of my bad mood > created by the redundancies at my workplace yesterday, > thoughts of war and > the appalling mixing last night. It's a shame because it > looked like it was > probably a good gig if you could hear anything properly. I > think I could > just about hear Dave Brock's guitar but I'm not sure. His > vocals were way > too loud at the start of some songs. I couldn't hear any sax > whatsoever > until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. > So much for > my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I > did at least > like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali > Daveys's head > gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it > sounded shite. > > Alastair. > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Thu Oct 11 09:44:12 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:44:12 -0500 Subject: read your bibles Message-ID: Absolutely! >>> Bob Lennon 10/10/01 07:49PM >>> In a message dated 10/10/2001 9:43:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > from Hawkwinder at AOL.COM: > > laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > > > all organised religion is hippocracy > > > > > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... > > bob > > At first I was going to respond that that statement above was not mine but > then after seeing your resonse I was so impressed that I'm hoping I can > by all means Laura, you take credit for the above. assuming you were referring to the fundies' wives comment? bob From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 11 09:50:52 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:50:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > Oh WOW!!!! I was beginning to think I was the ONLY ONE who remembered > that Project UF0 show, and even I had let it go- > > I used to LOVE that, as some of the portrayels were downright flipped-out > for their day!- and boy was that a long time ago as well- when was that > show? late 70's??? > I remember it being on over here in the late 70's, that not to say it wasn't made earlier tho'. Nick From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 09:58:36 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:58:36 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: Yes, by the end of next week. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 09:58:54 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:58:54 +0100 Subject: Get it at your newsagents NOW! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Does anyone remember the pisstake Polka toons on the Bad Channels > soundtrack??? I loved them. Abso-f***ing-lutely!!! Little Old Lady Polka by (IIRC) The Ukelalians. Fantastic stuff! Have just picked up the latest edition of MOJO Collections with the free CD (CD is UK only I'm afraid) - top stuff. A load of "Before They Were Famous" type stuff. A demo version of "Anarchy in the UK", Episode Six, the Coventry Automatics (later to become The Specials), David Bowie and The Lower Third, Frantic Elevators (Mick Hucknell of Simply Red in "Less Of A Wanker" mode), The Bystanders (later to become Man), The Spectres (Pre-Quo Quo in psychedelic mood). Thoroughly recommended for four quid. Cheers, Rich. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 10:18:36 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:18:36 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: "Wright, Mike" wrote: > Was there anything good on the merchandise stall? Yes :) From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 10:52:10 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:52:10 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: I did try standing up in the gangway further back from where I was sitting, probably around row N but it didn't sound that much better. The difference between this one and Canterbury was definitely the sound quality, everything sounded really tight and balanced there. I think 3 things make a good gig for me, the band playing well, good sound quality, and the right mood to meet it. Only the first was there for me last night. I completely forgot about the Mike Moorcock thing and I was wondering who the hell was speaking the lyrics to Sonic Attack. Was that on the telephone? Voiceprint were there in the merchandise stall selling old stock of Weird 6 among other CDs and the T-Shirt Dave Brock was wearing was the one being sold in the merchandise stall just for the RFH gig. Alastair. On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:41:10 +0100, Wright, Mike wrote: >I sort of agree with Alastair. Alex and I were sitting in row L at the left >hand side, just under the balcony. We had pretty terrible sound all night. >Barely heard any guitar, vocals from the bottom of a bucket, quiet drums, >muffled everything, with occassionally bits of something coming through. It >was a shame cos it looked as if they were enjoying themselves on stage. > >My few song titles I can remember (in no particular order) are > >Lighthouse, Moonglum, Levitation, Spiral Galaxy 28948 (bits of violin heard >here), The Watcher (poor vocals I thought), Angels of Death, New Jerusalem, >Motorway City, Hurry on Sundown, Assassins of Allah. >The 2 poems that Mike M did vocals for were Sonic Attack and Damned by the >Curse of Man >encore A+B, Golden Void > >Disappointment with the strong line up of musicians Dave, Ali, Tim, Keith, >Richard, Huw, Simon & Jez (arguably the most skillful musicians that have >graced the HW lineup) who were having fun and all I could hear was mush. >Also a bit worried that there appeared to be no new songs. Due to not having >Jerry R or Ron the songs chosen were quite laid back, not as punky. No punky >silver machine or Alchemy. Also after hearing the raves about Canterbury I >was sad that this one didn't work for me. > >The lighting was good, with worthwhile projections on the big back screen, >oil lamps and whirling coloured flowers/suns/brains/etc. RFH chairs are >tiny, and I had to stand for a while, to keep circulation below the knee. >Was there anything good on the merchandise stall? > >Anyone else with other memories? > >Big Mike > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alastair Lee Sumner [mailto:als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK] >> Sent: 11 October 2001 14:14 >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Subject: Re: HW: RFH >> >> >> I couldn't get into it at all last night, a combination of my bad mood >> created by the redundancies at my workplace yesterday, >> thoughts of war and >> the appalling mixing last night. It's a shame because it >> looked like it was >> probably a good gig if you could hear anything properly. I >> think I could >> just about hear Dave Brock's guitar but I'm not sure. His >> vocals were way >> too loud at the start of some songs. I couldn't hear any sax >> whatsoever >> until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. >> So much for >> my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I >> did at least >> like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali >> Daveys's head >> gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it >> sounded shite. >> >> Alastair. >> > > >Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be >contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the >use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee >you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised >manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this >e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and >destroy all copies. Thank you. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 11 11:22:11 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:22:11 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH In-Reply-To: <200110111314.JAA15511@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: => until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. So much for => my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I did at least => like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali Daveys's head => gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it sounded shite. That's why, I've decided, I like general admission gigs (or the lawn for those shed shows). If you find you're in a dead spot (or stuck behind someone tall or obnoxious:), you can always move around and find a better place. I saw Gov't Mule at the Norva in Norfolk, VA on Tuesday, and watched the first set from the upstairs balcony, where the view was great. But, I enjoyed the second set downstairs on the main floor, where the sound was better. (Great gig, great sound, and Oteil was really getting into it.) Sorry to hear that the sound was naff at the RFH where you were sitting. :-( Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 11 11:36:45 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:36:45 +0100 Subject: HW: a new remaster? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, mike c wrote: > I also heard that Phil Howard has a CDR about to be out, including some > work with the Captain, etc..... For the file... :-) Is this out? Does anyone know the title, and is it correct that it has Hawks on it somewhere? > and speaking of the other Captain (Rizz)......life is a dull void if you > don't have "I CAN SEE CLEARLY NOW MY BRAIN HAS GONE" > > I was too drunk to carry it around at the 98 SD fest, and I passed on it, > and I suffered for 3 long years as a result of this rediculous horror in > judgement... > > It's got Alan and Ron on it, it is simply fantastic, and after you play > this, and then Manifesto back-to back, I feel confident that you will agree > to "Chant For Rizz" in 2002 What little of his solo output I've heard has actually impressed me much more than his Hawkwind involvement. The most worrying example of this was when the fair that habitually sets up camp in Cambridge every other month was in town, at a period when I was living just off the Common where it set up, so I had to pass it every time I wanted to go into town. I went round the outside so half the lights and bustle were cut off from me and I'd be walking past this curtain of growling black diesel-engined things with lights and screaming going on above them. I once did this shortly after listening to _New World's Fair_ (quite deliberatly because of having to walk past it, made me feel better about not having time to go in) and while I was going past with `Rollin' in the Ruins' playing merrily in my head I suddenly thought "I know that voice" and lo Captain Rizz was being pumped out of one of the rides' sound system at full volume. I did begin to wonder which world I was in at that point. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Oct 11 11:41:07 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:41:07 -0500 Subject: HW: RFH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Paul Mather wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: RFH : :On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: : :=> until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. So much for :=> my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I did at least :=> like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali Daveys's head :=> gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it sounded shite. : :That's why, I've decided, I like general admission gigs (or the lawn for :those shed shows). If you find you're in a dead spot (or stuck behind :someone tall or obnoxious:), you can always move around and find a :better place. I saw Gov't Mule at the Norva in Norfolk, VA on Tuesday, :and watched the first set from the upstairs balcony, where the view was :great. But, I enjoyed the second set downstairs on the main floor, :where the sound was better. (Great gig, great sound, and Oteil was :really getting into it.) : I tend to go the other way around, since I'm quite short...I like balcony seats better than general admit. best yet, of course, are gigs that offer both. Please everyone that way ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 11 11:57:45 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:57:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <200110100137.VAA29740@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Alex S. Garcia wrote: => >actually, that was sorted out a while back. => >if you go to bbc.com, it will now re-direct you to the bbc site. => >I remember seeing this a few years ago and wondered how the bbc let that one => >go. => => That's kinda silly, though. It's just three letters. I mean, what if there => was another company with those initials that was just as old and respectable? Actually, long-time owners of the "BBC Micro" will no doubt know this piece of trivia, but the British Broadcasting Corporation does not (or at least didn't) own the trademark on "BBC." It is owned by a Swiss company called Brown-Boverei, and BBC belongs to them. Whenever the British Broadcasting Corporation uses "BBC" it is with permission of Brown-Boverei. It's one reason the function key overlay of their computer released to support their computer literacy project in the 80s had the long-winded "British Broadcasting Corporation Microcomputer," when everyone commonly referred to it as the "BBC Model A" or "BBC Model B." So, I figure Brown-Boverei probably had first dibs on bbc.com. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 11 13:28:20 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:28:20 -0600 Subject: HW: a new remaster?/ RFH T-Shirt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: << For the file... :-) Is this out? Does anyone know the title, and is it correct that it has Hawks on it somewhere?>> yes- it's called "Solar Axis"- tracks z=z(squared)+c, nebula time, beyond galactica, headspace(remix), crystal void, aurora, saucers(edit), earthpipe, could this be space, solar axis, last flight to futura, solar eclipse, tribalspace, dreamcatcher.... another one awaiting a play, it's part studio and part live, Crum helped mix and produce it, so it's a good sign.......Andy G?? I wonder if the T-Shirt at RFH was Kevin Sommers design? if so, bet he's happy and I hope I am getting claws upon one........ mike c From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 11 12:27:18 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:27:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: >I remember it being on over here in the late 70's, that not to say it wasn't >made earlier tho'. "Project UFO" was produced by Jack Webb (that "Dragnet" guy) in 1978. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Thu Oct 11 12:37:00 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: Good review Ali, although I'm sorry to hear that it wasn't the best of gigs. And you didn't even have to fight anyone to keep the best seat in the house (did you?) - unlike at Canterbury, where Ali was a blur of fists, elbows and hobnailed boots anytime that anyone came near him :-) ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:14:12 -0400, Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: >I couldn't get into it at all last night, a combination of my bad mood >created by the redundancies at my workplace yesterday, thoughts of war and >the appalling mixing last night. It's a shame because it looked like it was >probably a good gig if you could hear anything properly. I think I could >just about hear Dave Brock's guitar but I'm not sure. His vocals were way >too loud at the start of some songs. I couldn't hear any sax whatsoever >until the encore. And the rest sounded Yuri Gargarin on acid. So much for >my 5th row, almost dead center, best seat in the house. I did at least >like Tim Blake and Dave Brock doing New Jerusalem? and Ali Daveys's head >gear. But overall I was dead to Hawkwind last night and it sounded shite. > >Alastair. From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 12:59:21 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:59:21 +0100 Subject: RFH, all in a dream. Message-ID: This is a freaks paradise, didn't anyone see the no smoking signs? Apparently not, before we could send the message to the brain to "roll a number".......a combustible of unknown origin was thrust into our eager paws. Not unlike a pit of narcotic delights, the front stalls have it all. Drunk guy and friends, dancing and continually screaming for Urban Gorilla.....toke him to stop the extra set of lyrics in ones ear......just makes him louder. A group of strangers brought together in a seated circle of smoke surrounded by the protection of the crowd. The musical entertainment is Hawkwind!!!!!!!, with a rear projection that was a great mind set considering ones head space. Can't really say what went down note for note, we don't see or hear it that way. We were lost in another perhaps spiral galaxy where time has no meaning, and the music becomes a mental mind map to the other spheres.......like a vast disintegration of known value and analysis systems ( cosmic debris etc.) leading to dare I say ones own Utopia. No debates, just let go and let it take you. Nice to say hello to a few friends including Kevin Sommers, who braved the airlines to pay homage from the U.S.A., Respect. Big thanks to the wonderous Kris Tait for all and everything! YULE RITUAL IS SUPERB GARY & ANNA From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Oct 11 13:24:09 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:24:09 -0400 Subject: Give me Polka or give me Death! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the shaved head. Check 'em out at: http://www.polkacide.com/index.html (Go to the band photos page, he's there, resplendent in lederhosen!) There is a snippet of the "Kishka" tune, also... (This is an on-topic discussion, 'cuz that tuba make 'em a heavy-metal band! ) Ship (who really ought to get a Polkacide ball cap to cover my chrome dome...) Mike C wandered (with his backpack on his back): > > > and lets not forget that the Accordion is a WIND instrument!!! > > and where is that USA late-night channel 8 news polka guy! > > so now a "Polkadelic" LP is needed? > m > > and on that Polkacide- were the metal studs in mohawk style > attached to the > Clarinet, or the shaved head? > > mike nomullets please c > From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Oct 11 14:10:45 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:10:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > my next comment is about the "Trumpets" (and accompanying music) that was > at the VERY START of all those Gerry Anderson shows-? (didn't they all have > that little leader? here in USA at least) that music always got my > attention and made my "ears perk up" like nothing else ever- I really miss > that stuff- it used to put me in such a strange mood- and I liked being > put in that mood- my childhood- the "actual childhood" The fanfare always accompanied the ITN logo spinning, so you were just seeing producer/network flash. It did always provide a call that something good was going to be on. Kind of the way the PTEN fanfare did back in the first run of Babylon 5. scorch From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 15:32:51 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:32:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) Message-ID: He wasn't but he was at Hawkon. He did play with Simon K and Huw on Steve Swindells lp. He also toured with Van Der Graaf in a combined Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf tour. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 11 October 2001 12:55 Subject: Re: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) >dave hall wrote: > >> . Now what I can say is this - I've met a number of Hawkwind members and ex-members over the years (although they won't remember me - and why should they?) - and all have been exceptionally nice to me. However, at that event every single one with the exception of Huw, Harvey, and Nic Potter > >When was Nic Potter with Hawkwind? > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Oct 11 14:44:49 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:44:49 -0400 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times In-Reply-To: <200110081236.NAA07874@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:36:02PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:36:02PM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for > Urban Guerilla being pulled. You know, for a brief flickering moment, I'd had a similar idea (though it more involved using the topicality of the song to get people introduced to HW). But then I went back to work, which is right across the river from "Ground Zero", and it didn't seem like such a hot idea anymore. I think I'll just save it for a more opportune time, if there ever is one... Steve From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 14:54:11 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:54:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Nic Potter Message-ID: And on 2 of his solo LPs Huw played. > -----Original Message----- > From: dave hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Sent: 11 October 2001 20:33 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) > > > He wasn't but he was at Hawkon. He did play with Simon K and > Huw on Steve > Swindells lp. He also toured with Van Der Graaf in a combined > Hawkwind/Van > Der Graaf tour. > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: John McIntyre > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 11 October 2001 12:55 > Subject: Re: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) > > > >dave hall wrote: > > > >When was Nic Potter with Hawkwind? > > > >John McIntyre > >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > >Michigan State University > >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > > > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 11 16:22:33 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:22:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Anthology released on US major label Message-ID: I haven't seen this mentioned on the list yet ... Last weekend, I was checking the Hawkwind bin at the new Rasputin's in San Francisco (not a very good store, unlike the Berkeley one), and the only CD in it was a new version of the 69-82 'Anthology' (aka 'Acid Daze') double- CD set. The cover artwork is exactly the same as the most recent UK reissue (the one with the extra tracks from the Castle remasters), but it's in a standard single-width jewel case instead of a DigiPak ... I didn't buy a copy so I don't know if it includes (as the UK version does) the booklet with a complete reproduction of Brian Tawn's notes from the vinyl pressing of all-three-LP's-in-a-vinyl-sleeve release. The kicker is ... it's on BMG! I think this would make it the first-ever US major label Hawkwind CD, since Profile ('Live Chronicles'), Enigma (XC, SB ... didn't they put out 'Palace Springs', too?), One Way (EMI reissues), Iloki ('CA Brainstorm'), Cleopatra, and Griffin are/were all indies (although by that time, I think Enigma may have been majority-owned by Capitol/EMI, and I'm pretty sure that at least One Way had major-label distribution). Even odder, the actual label imprint is ... Trojan?!?!?! Someone needs to pass on THAT bit of info on to Capt. Rizz! Anyone else in the USA seen this? Mr. Coleman? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 11 16:42:54 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:42:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles In-Reply-To: <20010803195008.RSPE1412.t21mta03-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Michael Crook wrote: > That's the abridged version, the one I saw heavily involved Pythagoras > and, as Steve said, it was quite an extensive piece of work. > > > A string of existence whereby the spirit realm occupies the upper portion > >and the material is at the lower, and one where the galaxies are spread out > >across, and band members have speakers strategiclly positioned to form > >intersections of sound creating interactive new mental tones in the minds > >of the audience, and of how the positioning of the performers (standing) > >on painted platforms, each unique and attuned especially for each > >player,are able to bring out the ultimate individual part to throw into the > >mix of interplay with the audience bouncing back at the band and forming > >unity, manifesting in various hues of color as reflected in the painting on > >the amplifiers???? sort of a hub and wheel where the stadium is > >participating on the full scope of awareness???? This is all quite a lot like the piece on the reverse of the poster that came with _The 1999 Party_, so I'll quote that just in case that's what people have been seeing. "SPACESHIP HAWKWIND "The basic principle for the Starship and the Space Ritual is based on the Pythagorean concept of sound. Briefly, this conceived the Universe to be an immense monochord, with its single string stretched between absolute spirit and at its lowest end absolute matter. Along the string were positioned the planets of our solar system. Each of these spheres as it rushed through space was believed to sound a certain tone caused by its continuous displacement of the ether. These intervals and harmonies are called `The Sound of the Spheres'. The interval between Earth and the fixed stars being the most perfect harmonic interval. The musical intervals do not coincide with the reality of their actual positions but the following arrangement is generally accepted for the musical intervals. "EARTH to MOON one tone MOON to MERCURY one half tone MERCURY to VENUS one half tone VENUS to SUN one and a half tones SUN to MARS one tone MARS to JUPITER one half tone JUPITER to SATURN one half tone "The sum of these intervals equals the six whole tones of the octave. The octave or harmonic scale contains sounds within its own frequency--these sounds ranged by increasing sharpness are called `notes'--do re mi fa sol la ti do. "When the colours of the spectrum are added to the musical notes and their respective planets we end up with the following analogies: "DO MARS RED RE SUN ORANGE MI MERCURY YELLOW FA SATURN GREEN SOL JUPITER BLUE LA VENUS INDIGO TI MOON VIOLET "By drawing the diagram on this page [I'm not trying this in ASCII, sorry] and positioning the band and equipment in their normal line up we arrive at this solution. "DEL and BOB JUPITER/MARS/SUN DAVE and DIKMIK SUN/MARS NIK and LEMMY SUN/VENUS/MERCURY SIMON MOON/EARTH DANCERS JUPITER/SATURN/STARS "Assuming the stage are to be our solar system, the audience becomes space outside our system and the perimeteres of the stage become near space. Near space being divided into our Zodiac system. This system provides a sympathetic feedback both in colour , shape and invisible geometry. The music can awaken the starship, but its fuel must be audience/Hawkwind mind energy. We were born to go. God bless all who sail in her. "To break away from our system and enter deep space will need a booster. Each musicnaut comes under and controls a sphere of influence. To boost this, each person feeds into a computer/lifepack while at the same time, the lifepack is scanning for information and broadcasting the musicnauts [sic] amplified impulses. Each sensor will be placed in the appropriate `space' situation. "Around the immediate area of sensors are light poles. One for each zodiacal sign, an inner space (four elements) and an infinite outer space. As these are the borders of near/outer space, they will be coloured to their appropriate element: EARTH WHITE AIR GREEN FIRE RED WATER BLUE INNER/OUTER PURPLE" I would guess there is more after this but that's all that there is on the sheet. The graphic is pretty impressively difficult to see, and this is all printed on a starfield in a font where punctuation is very difficult to discern. But that's pretty much it. Is that the sort of thing we're after here? Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 11 16:51:16 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:51:16 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <104.725afc4.289ed314@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > << > Have you ever heard speed metal, thrash metal, etc.? Drum sound in these > > styles is based on using double bass kit. > >> > ==== > you're right. > i've been living in a cave all these years -_- > was nixon re-elected? > is vietnam over? > > and, indeed, i quite understand the significance of double bass in in that > music. > never mind that this is a significant digression from talk of keith moon, > simon king etc > > more to the point > i _really_ dislike the genres you mention > with, of course, a few exceptions. [yo, rmayo!] > > personally, i would much prefer the sound of 'driving straight ahead' > to the sound of a hovercraft or helicopter. > > to rock is to be driving straight ahead. This interests me for two reasons, and though to the best of my current knowledge <> will not be reading this, I wonder if anyone else might care to pitch in. Firstly, I got played some Mayhem a while back and that really did sound as if they had a helicopter in the studio. Drums too but this bass-register wub-wub-wub-wub noise all the time. I must be getting old, I couldn't see what it was supposed to achieve. But, more deeply. A bass-playing friend of mine can get quite lyrical, or at least, gesticulates very expressively, about the shapes of music. Bends in riffs, slopes and curves, she sees and enthuses about. She doesn't really have much time for music that just goes, as Larry has it, "straight ahead"; I on the other hand do. So I'll put something saying "this ROCKS," and wig out for five minutes and she'll still be wondering when the good bit starts as it finishes. It's no good to her without some kind of shape, straight lines don't do it. And my question is, does anyone else understand this sort of language or is it just that I've successfully picked up her idialect without really feeling much of what she's talking about? Apologies if this is too OFF. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 11 16:52:11 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:52:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hello again boc-l In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Guido N. Vacano wrote: > Hello All-- > > I'm a former boc-l member who took a long break (perusing the archives, it > looks like my last post was in 1997!), and I'm looking forward to getting up > to snuff on all things Hawkwind. So, "hello" to anyone who remembers me, and > "hello" to anyone who doesn't. :-) Taking my time getting through these old posts, but, I remember you Guido, welcome back... Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 11 18:28:52 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:28:52 -0600 Subject: HW: Anthology released on US major label In-Reply-To: <200110112022.QAA18771@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: <<"Anyone else in the USA seen this? Mr. Coleman?" -Doug>> No Doug, and I guess I better crack to- I have just found out that RPM records (my long time local ally) is going out of business due to repeated break-ins and thefts of DVD's which set them back a lot of dough each time-- (you didn't hear this, if you shop there, unless he told you-) OH NO! where can I turn now for the bits between the bits? help? anyone? thank you VERY much Doug- I'd appreciate if you'd recommend something- mike c who gets THEM ALL- the off label ones and such? who is KING? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 11 18:37:11 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:37:11 +0100 Subject: HW Yule and more Message-ID: It certainly is and it's in stock at CD Services NOW so everyone who ordered it will be getting it Saturday as long as the post do their bit. 'Live Legends' DVD in PAL and NTSC also in stock tomorrow (plus DVD's by Caravan, Wishbone Ash, Asia, Wakeman, Gillan and something else I've forgotten). Also both Anubian Lights remixes/rarities CD's now here too - getting fun again, isn;t it!! Sadly, Simon House newie now put back to 2002. Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerberus" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: RFH, all in a dream. YULE RITUAL IS SUPERB GARY & ANNA From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 11 19:48:44 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (it's NOT me again) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:48:44 -0600 Subject: (off) HW Yule and more In-Reply-To: <018d01c152a5$4567da40$1997bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: of course your the king Andy.... I just meant those evil ones that sneak in through Singapore....... Cerberus are kings too..... you and you and you ritual From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Oct 11 18:46:17 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:46:17 EDT Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2001 1:42:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > graham coxon? the guy from blur, i didn't see him play a few numbers with > hawkwind. > > the watcher was excellent though, from were i was sitting i could hear simon > anybody make any good recordings? (hint...hint) bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Oct 11 18:59:38 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:59:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:10:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU writes: > Personally, I think Doug Yule did a decent job of imitating Lou, at least on > the > Amsterdam recording I have. The passion is lacking, but I feel that's been > the > case with Lou for a long time, at least in the studio. So you could say > _Squeeze_ was just ahead of it's time. (-8 It's not as bad as people say, > but > it's not good either. funny, when I originally replied to this post, I wasn't paying attention to which group it was from. A similar subject was being talked about on one of the John Cale lists and I was surprised to see my reply coming back on this list. anyway...you pegged it with one word, it better describes what I remember that LP "Squeeze" being....bland. I wasn't horrified by it at the time, just didn't like it much. hell back then I still hadn't really warmed up to the post-Cale stuff yet. I guess If I had liked Loaded at the time, I may have like Squeeze a little more? NOT bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Oct 11 19:00:33 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:00:33 EDT Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:21:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET writes: > I second that motion bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Oct 11 19:02:23 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:02:23 EDT Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: Laura, consider it done. bob In a message dated 10/11/2001 9:49:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > Absolutely! > > >>> Bob Lennon 10/10/01 07:49PM >>> > In a message dated 10/10/2001 9:43:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > > > > > from Hawkwinder at AOL.COM: > > > > laura.waesche at CEXP.COM writes: > > > > > > > all organised religion is hippocracy > > > > > > > > > > have you seen some of the wives of fundamentalists...... > > > > bob > > > > At first I was going to respond that that statement above was not mine but > > then after seeing your resonse I was so impressed that I'm hoping I can > > > > by all means Laura, you take credit for the above. assuming you were > referring to the fundies' wives comment? > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Oct 11 19:09:16 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:09:16 -0400 Subject: HW: INFO Message-ID: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++ATTENTION STAR WARRIORS Strange things are happening in deep space......... A new information portal has been detected. All earth-based Hawkcrew log on to www.hawkwind.info for details....... Long range scanners show that a major information upload will be available in the next few weeks. . . . . . stay logged on to this frequency. . . . . . . . MESSAGE ENDS++ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Thu Oct 11 23:42:56 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:42:56 -0700 Subject: HW: INFO In-Reply-To: <200110112309.TAA20209@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Looks like someone just got KPT 5 ;) Detecting new portal, check Frequency lock on, . . .check glass of water, . . . . . . check At 07:09 PM 10/11/01 -0400, you wrote: >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >++ATTENTION STAR WARRIORS > >Strange things are happening in deep space......... > >A new information portal has been detected. >All earth-based Hawkcrew log on to www.hawkwind.info for details....... > >Long range scanners show that a major information >upload will be available in the next few weeks. . . . . . > >stay logged on to this frequency. . . . . . . . > >MESSAGE ENDS++ >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Oct 11 22:48:30 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:48:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: No subject given > > Hi, > Has anybody ever compiled a league table of "service time in HW"? > The top spots would be relatively easy to work out but it would get more interesting down at the > nether region! > Possible candidates being: > > Dick Taylor > Thomas Crimble > Twink (the roadie) > Rob Heaton > Steve Bemand > Clive Deamer > > I really can't think of anything more trivial to discuss right now after the > heavy stuff these last few days! > Jez > > > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Oct 12 01:05:50 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:05:50 EDT Subject: HW: .com Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/01 1:36:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > It's very sad for me to see this list falling apart on this question... > > The real true band, Hawkwind leading by Brock, should be giving full > support. And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim > themselves "honest people". > > Maybe I should sign off this list... > > Alice well, i'd like to stay out of the politics, as I don't really know much about it...and it's hard to care, when you have some good music. even if Nik is an arsehole, I disagree with Dave Hall about his being a shitty musician... I know I will continue to play "Nikwind" stuff on my show, as well as Hawhwind", as I love them both, but if it's gotten to the point where it may seem to so many list-members as sacriliege, disrespectful, traitorous or whatever...hmm...maybe i should w/hold those play-lists... not like it'd be any great loss anyway... :) one thing we lack here probably is some perspective. i mean, probably this sort of thing has gone on so much in so much of the music we love, past and presently, that if we knew, we'd have similar emotions...but here (and esp. w/the help of the 'Net) we're privy to so much "behind-the-scenes" info... if we didn't know about all this stuff...or if we were to find out years later, we might be less sensitive, and just be able to listen to whatever music we like w/out any of these non-musical distractions...or maybe these things aren't non-musical, if they will contribute to or inspire some interesting music to follow...just an afterthought... Chuck From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 03:52:02 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:52:02 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: Yes, Contact me at ac02 at gre.ac.uk Colin From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 12 05:56:25 2001 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:56:25 EDT Subject: RFH Message-ID: Hi, Have read some peoples reviews of the gig saying the sound was murky. I was on the 4th row and had to stand up due to the huge possibilites of getting drenched in beer and burnt by flying blims. The sound when stood up was good for me, whoever it was saying that you could get dead areas I think you must be right. I could hear all people bar Jez until later in the set. Plus Simon during Spiral Galaxy ( of all things) Great gig, look forward to any snippets of the video recording that was taking place digital video cameras were in use plus some Very beefy telephoto lenses being used. The only thing I missed was the Hawkwind T-shirt for sale Anyone got a XL they would sell me please... The mercendise stall i went to had the astoria and brockspace t-shirts only.. ( was i too late Boo Hoo) Regards Iain From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 05:59:31 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:59:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Christmas Party 2001 Message-ID: There will be another Christmas party this year, at the Forum in North London, on December 20th. Should be good:). COLIN From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 12 06:51:33 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:51:33 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: I understand, that's pretty much excatly the way I approach my bass playing, and talking about music in general. I get bored pretty quick with the straight passages and have to throw a few hooks and chops in to spice the pot and keep me occupied... Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > And my question is, does anyone else understand this sort of > language or is it just that I've successfully picked up her idialect > without really feeling much of what she's talking about? Apologies if this > is too OFF. Yours, > Jon > > > -- > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 07:09:10 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:09:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: John H. McCartney's message of Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:10:45 -0700 Message-ID: > > my next comment is about the "Trumpets" (and accompanying music) that was > > at the VERY START of all those Gerry Anderson shows-? (didn't they all have > > that little leader? here in USA at least) that music always got my > > attention and made my "ears perk up" like nothing else ever- I really miss > > that stuff- it used to put me in such a strange mood- and I liked being > > put in that mood- my childhood- the "actual childhood" Didn't all the Gerry Anderson shows start with that dart going into the "Century 21" logo? From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 07:33:28 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:33:28 +0100 Subject: HW: November Tour Message-ID: The Percy !! It's a long time since I've been to that wattering hole. A bus driver told me it 's still there with upstairs open again just a couple of days ago. May well see you there instead of the Parrot. The Opera House is right near the bottom of Westgate Road opposite Fenkle Street and the County Courts. (Haven't been in there for a long time either.) 10 minutes would be about right. f. rat Layla Thompson wrote: > Me and Michael Blackman are going up for that gig. We are meeting my Dad and his lass in the Percy... (suprise, suprise!!) > > Just cause it's a good place and we all know where it is! > > So, just though I'd put forward that piece of information incase anyone else was planning on going there. > > We'll be there for a good while before the gig though... cause my Dad likes his beer! (so do I!) > > I'm not sure how long it takes to get to the opera house from there though.... It's on waterloo street isn't it????.... I THINK it'd take about 10 mins to walk there from the Percy... does that sound about right? > > Anyway... that's where we're going to be.... > > L. xx > > >>> hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK 09/26/01 08:07pm >>> > I'll be at the Newcastle gig on the 14th - I would say the Dog & Parrot is not too > far (if you can find the Marlborough Bus Station near the Central Station - Rail) and > there's a pub across the road is okay (can't remember the name now, but I reckon > they're both good real ale pubs). May be in one myself on the night, so I'll look out > for other likely gig-goers. Cheers guys. > > f. rat > > Arin Komins wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > > > > :Subject: Re: HW: November Tour > > : > > :Arin & all those travelling from outside the UK to the Gigs in October & > > :November > > : > > :How about letting people know which gigs your going to then hopefully some of us > > :will get to meet you before hand for a jar of ale and whatever else comes our > > :way > > : > > :regards > > :Iain > > : > > :Currently going to:- > > :London RFH - 10th Oct > > :Swindon - 3rd Nov > > :Cardiff - 16th Nov > > :Dublin 26th Nov > > > > Well, I'm planning on being over between 7 nov. and 26 nov., which means > > I'm probably going to be at: > > > > Nottingham - 7th nov. > > Birmingham - 8th nov. > > Manchester - 10th nov. > > Liverpool - 11th nov. > > Glasgow - 12th nov. > > Edinburgh - 13th nov. > > Newcastle - 14th nov. > > Cardiff - 16th nov. > > Hitchin - 17th nov. > > Poole - 18th nov. (btw, where is this one?) > > Salisbury - 19th nov. > > Torquay - 20th nov. > > Brighton - 21st nov. > > Walthamstow - 24th nov. > > > > (if I can keep the schedule that is ;-) ) > > > > Can the folks local (or more local than I am ;-) ) pipe up with locations > > of pubs or other places where list folk could meet for each of the gigs? > > > > Arin > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 07:40:10 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:40:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Vinyl for sale Message-ID: My god - vinyl - yes! I would be more than glad to part with ?10 each for Astounding Sounds and Live 79, as soon as I am not Totally borassic of the lint. For my information - can you let me know which Hawkwind LPs include any versions of Motorhead or Hashish? They both (particularly Hashishsh) stick the hairs on the back of me neck up. Cheers f. rat Ben Fagin wrote: > BEN'S LIST OF HAWKWIND & RELATED ITEMS FOR SALE / SWAP > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You can phone me on +44 (0)20 7691 3245 or my mobile +44 (0)7980 806488 then we can negotiate a price. Or email me! Most of it is mint or unplayed I expect about ?10 for most of the lps let me know if you think this is too much or too less, Cheers! > > Hawkwind > -------- > > LPs > > Hawkwind Friends & Relations Sharp 101 White Cover > Hawkwind Friends & Relations Sharp 101 Silver Cover > Hawkwind Friends & Relations Twice upon a time Sharp 107 3 copies > Hawkwind Friends & Relations Vol. 3 Sharp 024 > Stasis the UA years 1971-1975 Gatefold EMI NTS 300 > Church of Hawkwind with booklet RCALP9004 > This is HW do not panic Gatefold Sharp 022 > Out & Intake Sharp 040 > Masters of the universe FA 3008 > Roadhawks UAK 29919 > Hall of the mountain grill with inner UAG 29672 > Sonic Attack with lyric sheet RCALP6004 > Hawklords with inner & booklet CDS 4014 > Stonehenge 83 RTV 12024 > PXR5 CHC 25 > Quark strangeness & charm CDS 4008 > Astounding sounds amazing music CDS 4004 > Space ritual huge foldout orig. inners UAD 60037/8 > In search of space foldout UAG 29202 > Independent Days Vol 2 Sharp 036 > Space Bandits GWLP 103 > Levitation Blue Vinyl BRON 530 > Live 79 202 553-270 > Live 79 Japanese with lyric sheet in japanese VIP-6745 > It is the business of the future to be dangerous ESDLP 196 Gatefold > Travellers Aid Trust Gatefold Sharp 2045 > Hawklords CHC 10 > Hawklords with Inner CDS 4014 > > 12" Singles > > 25 Years On Grey Vinyl 2004 > Motorhead / Valium Ten fls ep 205 > Needlegun FLST 032 3 copies > Hawkwind Zoo EP flep 100 > Zarozinia FLST 033 > The Earth Ritual Preview FLEP 104 > Sonic Assassins FLEP 101 > Quark (Astralasia remixes) EBT110 > Spirit of the age Solstice remixes 4R1T > > Dave Brock LPs > -------------- > > Agents of chaos Sharp 042 > > Robert Calvert LPs > ------------------ > > Hype 2 copies SEE 278 > Lucky leif & the longships 2 copies gatefold BGO LP2 > Freq sharp 021 > > Lloyd-Langton Group > ------------------- > > Like an arrow through the heart GAS 4014 > Outside the law! sharp 015 > time space & LLG GWLP 27 > Night Air Sharp 026 > > Steve Swindells LPs > ------------------- > > Fresh Blood K50738 > > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts LPs > ---------------------- > > Firkin well live, feat. Alan Davey RAZ D39 > > Motorhead > --------- > > The one to sing the blues 656578 6 > All Motorhead CDs available too From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 07:43:15 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:43:15 +0100 Subject: HW: November Tour Message-ID: Fuckin' 'ell - when is Newcastle going to stop re-arranging itself every 5 minutes. And does anyone know what's happened to the Broken Doll on Blenheim Street? f rta Layla Thompson wrote: > Yeah, it is the Head of Steam.... > > Only been in a couple of times... but it's a canny little place.. > > Lots of floors.... > > Layla. > > >>> rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK 09/27/01 08:21am >>> > Just a quick point - the Dog and Parrot is now the "Tut and Shive", and I > think the pub over the road from the station is the Head of Steam. > > http://www.theheadofsteam.com > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > > > I'll be at the Newcastle gig on the 14th - I would say the Dog & > > Parrot is not too > > far (if you can find the Marlborough Bus Station near the Central > > Station - Rail) and > > there's a pub across the road is okay (can't remember the name > > now, but I reckon > > they're both good real ale pubs). May be in one myself on the > > night, so I'll look out > > for other likely gig-goers. Cheers guys. > > > > f. rat > > > > Arin Komins wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > > :Subject: Re: HW: November Tour > > > : > > > :Arin & all those travelling from outside the UK to the Gigs in > > October & > > > :November > > > : > > > :How about letting people know which gigs your going to then > > hopefully some of us > > > :will get to meet you before hand for a jar of ale and whatever > > else comes our > > > :way > > > : > > > :regards > > > :Iain > > > : > > > :Currently going to:- > > > :London RFH - 10th Oct > > > :Swindon - 3rd Nov > > > :Cardiff - 16th Nov > > > :Dublin 26th Nov > > > > > > Well, I'm planning on being over between 7 nov. and 26 nov., which means > > > I'm probably going to be at: > > > > > > Nottingham - 7th nov. > > > Birmingham - 8th nov. > > > Manchester - 10th nov. > > > Liverpool - 11th nov. > > > Glasgow - 12th nov. > > > Edinburgh - 13th nov. > > > Newcastle - 14th nov. > > > Cardiff - 16th nov. > > > Hitchin - 17th nov. > > > Poole - 18th nov. (btw, where is this one?) > > > Salisbury - 19th nov. > > > Torquay - 20th nov. > > > Brighton - 21st nov. > > > Walthamstow - 24th nov. > > > > > > (if I can keep the schedule that is ;-) ) > > > > > > Can the folks local (or more local than I am ;-) ) pipe up with > > locations > > > of pubs or other places where list folk could meet for each of the gigs? > > > > > > Arin > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 07:39:30 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:39:30 +0100 Subject: HW: November Tour Message-ID: It's been demolished. :-( R. > Fuckin' 'ell - when is Newcastle going to stop re-arranging itself every 5 > minutes. And does anyone know what's happened to the Broken Doll on Blenheim > Street? > > f rta > > Layla Thompson wrote: > > > Yeah, it is the Head of Steam.... > > > > Only been in a couple of times... but it's a canny little place.. > > > > Lots of floors.... > > > > Layla. > > > > >>> rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK 09/27/01 08:21am >>> > > Just a quick point - the Dog and Parrot is now the "Tut and Shive", and I > > think the pub over the road from the station is the Head of Steam. > > > > http://www.theheadofsteam.com > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > > I'll be at the Newcastle gig on the 14th - I would say the Dog & > > > Parrot is not too > > > far (if you can find the Marlborough Bus Station near the Central > > > Station - Rail) and > > > there's a pub across the road is okay (can't remember the name > > > now, but I reckon > > > they're both good real ale pubs). May be in one myself on the > > > night, so I'll look out > > > for other likely gig-goers. Cheers guys. > > > > > > f. rat > > > > > > Arin Komins wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > > :Subject: Re: HW: November Tour > > > > : > > > > :Arin & all those travelling from outside the UK to the Gigs in > > > October & > > > > :November > > > > : > > > > :How about letting people know which gigs your going to then > > > hopefully some of us > > > > :will get to meet you before hand for a jar of ale and whatever > > > else comes our > > > > :way > > > > : > > > > :regards > > > > :Iain > > > > : > > > > :Currently going to:- > > > > :London RFH - 10th Oct > > > > :Swindon - 3rd Nov > > > > :Cardiff - 16th Nov > > > > :Dublin 26th Nov > > > > > > > > Well, I'm planning on being over between 7 nov. and 26 nov., which means > > > > I'm probably going to be at: > > > > > > > > Nottingham - 7th nov. > > > > Birmingham - 8th nov. > > > > Manchester - 10th nov. > > > > Liverpool - 11th nov. > > > > Glasgow - 12th nov. > > > > Edinburgh - 13th nov. > > > > Newcastle - 14th nov. > > > > Cardiff - 16th nov. > > > > Hitchin - 17th nov. > > > > Poole - 18th nov. (btw, where is this one?) > > > > Salisbury - 19th nov. > > > > Torquay - 20th nov. > > > > Brighton - 21st nov. > > > > Walthamstow - 24th nov. > > > > > > > > (if I can keep the schedule that is ;-) ) > > > > > > > > Can the folks local (or more local than I am ;-) ) pipe up with > > > locations > > > > of pubs or other places where list folk could meet for each of the gigs? > > > > > > > > Arin > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > > > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > > > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > > > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:10:01 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:10:01 +0100 Subject: Rite on bro. - a Commentary on Divine Wind Video (imo) Message-ID: refer yr original paper (messrs ship & 'john') news:FDEBKJHEJHMFLHFOAGAHCECGCKAA.mr_ship at bellsouth.net Hey John, The really scary thought that I had watching that part was that, if Bin Laden has a nuke, "he(?)'d be the first to use it" and then the USA would have the second nation to have a hostile nuclear device detonated on its' soil. (And, yeah, I think that we were right to use the bombs on Japan; to all of (like, what planet are you from?) you naysayers, go read your history and see how we saved countless Allied and Japanese lives by doing so. I recommend Charles Sweeney's "War's End"; he was the only person to fly in both nuke strikes. Analyze it with your mind, not your "feelings".) I don't advocate the use of nukes and I cannot see how we could use them in this case, since we have planes returning with conventional ordinance that they could not find a target to drop it on. But, we gotta do what we gotta do... Thanks for the heads-up to the video, bud (lateral or prone? - it gets better, I promise)! Regards, Craig Shipley mr_ship at bellsouth.net (home) cshipley at veritas.com (work) > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of John A. Swartz > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:51 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: More Thoughts on Divine Wind Video > > > Well, I never imagined my public service message regarding the Divine > Wind video would cause such controversy. Oh well, at the risk of being > off-topic (and offending anyone that doesn't want to hear about anything > political on this forum), I feel that I should at least express how that > video comes across to ME, since I posted it. > > Before I start this ramble, I want to point out 3 things: > > 1. No offense is intended (obviously, you are innocent), although obviously only a few individuals > posted > some responses to my original submission - my responses are meant not as > an attack on any of them personally, but a disagreement with some of the > ideas they presented (no mentions of white racism or a balanced argument then?). > > 2. I should point out, since I get the impression that a few may have > thought otherwise, that BOC had NOTHING to do with the creation of this > video - well, o.k. they did record the audio portion, but the "video" > itself was not done by BOC, and while it has been provided on > www.blueoystercult.com, it is NOT an official band video - it was done > strictly by a fan (sht) (although Sandy Roeser has gone on record as saying > she > liked it - Buck may have as well, I'm not sure). (KTD - I'm sure) > > 3. I realize that this is all treading into the Off-topic realm - I will > cease to engage in any long-running dialog on this topic in the future > here > on BOC-L (or PE?), but since I'm the one who posted the original post about this > video, I want to (try to) [sic] explain further my feelings on it, as I did > not > realize it would be seen as controversial as some have seen it. > > O.K., enough of THAT rambling, now it's time to really ramble... > > > As an American, I find the video has reflected many of my emotions and > thoughts over what has happened since September 11th. Not only the > horror and anger over what the terrorists did, but the feeling of > patriotism and pride in my country, its people, and yes its power. I > don't care about any other point of view in terms of what the U.S. > should > do in response - no one will convince me that we have done anything that > warrants what happened on September 11th - am I angry? You bet - I knew > one of the passengers on the second plane to hit the towers - I have > therefore witnessed his death on TV dozens of times. So, if the video > at > times seems a violent reaction, I say damn right! > > As for it being "racist", I dismiss the notion that this video, or the > actions that the U.S. and its allies are taking in this "war on > terrorism" as being racist. I harbor no ill feelings toward Arabs, > Muslims, Middle-Easterns people in general - I don't believe that they > are "evil". However, the facts are pretty clear that the people that > committed the crimes ARE these people. So, to show images of > non-Middle-Eastern people that are against America seems to miss the > boat, in my opinion (racism??). These terrorists that we are dealing with are > predominantly from the Middle Eastern (obvio7usly my frianerd) - it doesn't (where is this NOT?) make all of the > people > from the Middle East evil (glad you think so, mate!), and people shouldn't draw such from the > video. > Hey, how come no-one ever says that being against the Ku Klux Klan is > racist? Aren't most of the KKK predominantly white? There certainly > aren't a lot of Blacks in the KKK. So, if the KKK is predominatly > white, > isn't speaking out against them "racist"? No, I don't think so either. > Similarly, speaking or acting out against Osama bin Laden (or, as a > local > radio host likes to call him, "His Mama bin Layin'" - hmmmmmmmm) and his followers > isn't racist either. > > What really strikes me the most about this video, however, isn't the > images of terrorists, military might, or anti-Americanism - what really > gets me is the "pro-American" imagery toward the end of the video - the > firefighters helping victims, the football player with a tear running > down his face, the little girl waving the flag, and images of candles > being lit with the Statue of Liberty as the backdrop. The message to me > of a strong, "proud" (bible? 7 deadly ones? to who?) nation that will pick itself back up (will no-one else?) after these acts > of terror (hmmmmmm) is what is most clear to me. > > Oh, and as for that "one disturbing image" near the end - I of course > assume you refer to the nuclear explosion? Funny, that image might be > the one thing from a BOC video - looks like it might have been lifted > from the "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" vid. Anyway, I don't think it > necessarily (?) implies that nuclear power will or should [sic] be used. I looked > at it more as an image of "hell" (the key word that Eric is singing at > that precise moment - like "shit!?"). On the other hand, I realize that it could be > taken as a message that such destruction is not out of the question - so glad you said that! - > but, as with the Cold War, the threat is/was always there - i remember and campaigning with the public consciousness to tremove it then. I think that > the fact that the image of the bomb blast is so brief (oh well, that's okay then) implies that we > are > not looking to drop a nuke anywhere (in particular?) - and of course, the image preceding > it was of bin Laden (y'know over here in my little patch of heaven, they can't spell my name right - love your attention to detail)- therefore I simply take the sequence of images to > be a visual description of the lyric, "then let's send them to hell". (gas too expensive at the moment? need to queue do we?) > Again, it doen't mean send all from the Middle East, or even > Afghanistan, > to hell - this message is directed to the terrorists (define "terrorist"). > > Sorry for my ramblings on - I have been affected greatly by the events > of > September 11th, and make no?? apologies for my feelings. And that video > IMH?O is fantastic. > > John > From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:10:57 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:10:57 +0100 Subject: Off: Message-ID: Hey - wot sort of fucking pacifist are you!" - 4refer previous sub. Daniel Jackson wrote: > > ALL HAIL DISCORDIA! > I said NEARLY all religion, don't you people read these posts properly? > Buddism doesn't either, but I'm not a buddist, just an earthbound in despair > that the human race can't get on, and the only main reason for this is > RELIGION, period. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 08:07:57 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:07:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Vinyl for sale In-Reply-To: f. rat's message of Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:40:10 +0100 Message-ID: f. rat writes: > I would be more than glad to part with ?10 each for Astounding Sounds > and Live 79, as soon as I am not Totally borassic of the lint. For my > information - can you let me know which Hawkwind LPs include any > versions of Motorhead or Hashish? They both (particularly Hashishsh) > stick the hairs on the back of me neck up. >From the Codex: Motorhead 2 British Tribal Music 2 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Motorhead/ Valium 10 12" single 2 Castle Masters Collection 2 Night Riding 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 2 Acid Daze Vol. II 2 The Approved History of Hawkwind 2 The Hawkwind Collection 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Victoria double album Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] L 2 a Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 2 b Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 3 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} 3 Official Picture Logbook {Assassins of Allah} 3 Night Of The Hawk {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 9 Love In Space {Assassins} From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:15:17 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:15:17 +0100 Subject: Hassan Ibn Sabha in the Sunday Times Message-ID: Alice wrote: > > > Time to release "Hassan I Sabha" as a single again. It'd make up for > > Urban Guerilla being pulled. > > > > Dunno about the b-side. Maybe Aerospaceage Inferno to keep it totally > > topical. > > And get Hawkwind banned forever :). > > Alice frome where?? From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:17:40 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:17:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > > Me too! > AND Captain Scarlet is Back - but he would be, being indestructible!!!! > ChrisW > At 13:47 08/10/01, you wrote: > > > > Was anyone ever into this Terrahawks sci-fi series? It was a trip. ;) > > > >I was a Thunderbirds fan. Terrahawks is for kids. > > > >FoFP Can neone pleese tewll mee wot his has to do with ac clark and sci-fction pleese?! 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From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:33:34 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:33:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: > > Neither did I say that you had. I said what you said was similar to saying > that. And it is. You just can't accept that. > > And stop yelling, you're gonna wake the dead. > > >I suggest you get your bibles out and take a good look, or I shall smite you > >with the fires of heaven > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. shurely somone has two definf it? > From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:35:01 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:35:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: IT IS THE WORD OF GOD YOU UNBELIEVING FILTH! - I HEARDF THAT _ SHUT UP. Daniel Jackson wrote: > > The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after the > events, so really, they're just hearsay, no? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Jackson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > > > On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:48, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > > > > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > > > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > > > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? > > > > theo From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 08:49:42 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:49:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroy wholesome countriesandmislead their children with... 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Message-ID: So this is what hapens when PCP and mailing lists meet - "I can type the *all* the letters at once!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroywholesomecountriesandmislead their children with... > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Playing golf with a Brahman is better than shooting the shit > > > > > with a Praner." > > > > Tubrok The Altered > > > > > > > > LOOK _ I KNO IT at S PRETTY TAMe c)maparedf wit thaj msjhgyfgkjashing load > > > > of stukjjkjhgh but i think you should get your ass too > > > > > > > > http://fatrat.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rat > > > > > > > > get the soiunbd files, TURN THE VOLUME UP FULL FUCKING FUCK FICKY LIKE > > > > XTYRATERREDSTRIOAL UNDIMAESOINAEL OVER THE DOMINANT PLAINDS OF THE SPACE > > > > LOVE FUCKING RITUAL FLYING THROIUGHT E DIMESIONAL VOIDS OF REALITIES > > > > OVERLORDING METADRIVIN UNDERSCORE HIPHEN HIPHEN DOT SKID THROUGH WITH > > > > LOVE BROTHERS PURE UNADULTAERADED WITT THE STAPM AND GLIRY OF BEFORE > > > > YTIME ITSELF _ THE MOST ANCOIENT AND LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEE > > > > IN EXCELSIUS SICE! 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In-Reply-To: f. rat's message of Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:05:06 +0100 Message-ID: f. rat writes: > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > > > "f. rat" wrote: Put the keyboard down now and take your lithium immediately. FoFP From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 10:28:14 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:28:14 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH In-Reply-To: <200110111314.JAA15511@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110111314.JAA15511 at listserv.spc.edu>, Alastair Lee Sumner writes > thoughts of war Indeed. My blood ran cold when they played "Assassins of Allah". I think I would have preferred it if that song had been dropped from the set. But overall I really enjoyed it: made a rapid decision to go down to the front - that was the key thing as the sound and atmosphere were much better there. I had no problem hearing Huw (who was superb) or Simon, although like everyone else I couldn't hear Jez when he first came on, although heard him no problem later. The phone link with Mike Moorcock clearly wasn't working properly and it seemed to me that they gave up on it during "Damned By the Curse of Man". Shame, as I wondered if that and "The Watcher" had been chosen for their topicality. Anyway "The Watcher" was immense- great vocals from Alan- and "Sonic attack" was extraordinary, going into a trancey rhythmic jam, pretty much a whole new take on the song. There was a lot of jamming, especially during Golden Void which was the track of the night for me. Not sure if anyone's posted a full setlist so here's my attempt: Lighthouse Levitation Spiral galaxy Moonglum New Jerusalem Angels of death Sonic Attack The Watcher Motorway City Hurry On Sundown Damned By the Curse Of Man Hassan I sabbah Ejection Assault and Battery Golden Void It was a bit of a giggle to see a HW crowd filling the RFH. No thanks however to the knobhead behind me who kept shouting "Saddam bin Davey"- he thought it was a great joke but it didn't seem very witty to me- or the other knobhead who kept screaming incoherently ("Huwy! Huw- eeee!! Play a guitar solooo!!") during the quieter passages. You gotta take the rough with the smooth I guess. An excellent gig, surprised to see that others didn't enjoy it much, but there's no doubt the sound was highly variable. Random final thoughts- are we going to see any 90s material return to the set?! Maybe LSD and/or Clouded Vision? This line-up would do them pretty well I'd think. I think the Xmas party on the 20th is the same night as Gong's festive knees-up at the Scala- what a terrible dilemma- however the Hawk-bash will take precedence for me. Gong might need to think about re-scheduling! -- Nick Medford From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 12 11:33:54 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:33:54 +0100 Subject: Band photos? Message-ID: Anyone know a good source to get photos of Hawkwind at various stages of their history? I'm doing a "History of Hawkwind" 4CD set for a workmate and some matching photos for the covers would be nice. FoFP From chip at PCC.COM Fri Oct 12 12:45:06 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:45:06 -0400 Subject: Larry Wallis Update Message-ID: > Larry Wallis's site has been updated with another sound clip from his > forthcoming album 'Death in the Guitarfternoon' which is released on 5th > November. Check out http://www.pinkfairies.co.uk -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 12 13:56:10 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:56:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Venomwind? oh spare me spare me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, mike c wrote: > There is- however distant, a connection..... > Venom is included on the Canadian Griffin CD label radio promo sampler, > along with HW, M. Moorcock, Justin Hayward, Rick Wakeman, and Dana > Gillespie....(Called Griffin Music Sampler Vol.1, Summer 1995)(on Sony > Import label) > > any further hatred or praise of this band is highly interesting to me, not > that you care....AND I'm sure there must be another connection, there is for everyone else. For example, a rapid consultation of allmusic.com reveals that Venom's first guitar-player Jeff Dunn played bass on an album by Mutiny called _Aftershock 2005_, which was produced by Bill Laswell, who also produced and played on New York Gong's _About Time_ wich naturally featured Daevid Allen, who was in Gong with Tim Blake who was and just at this moment is in Hawkwind. I don't know how many steps you count that as (four I think) but there it is. I have yet to find someone a connection definitively can't be made for. I never personally liked Venom, not being much of a metaller by inclination; they always seemed to me to just be milking that eevil black Satan's servant thing too hard, you got the idea they didn't see the joke. I wouldn't listen to them in the same way as, though I like a bit of lard in my diet as much as the average trucker, I wouldn't consider a block of it much of a meal. Just too much of what's a good thing in moderation used properly. Such is me view, but the connection's worth having I think :-) Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 12 14:05:17 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:05:17 EDT Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/01 3:05:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM writes: > If Nik's Nikwind wants to be accepted as a bonafide musical entity, then > will they be doing some new music at the upcoming gig? Will they release a > studio album sometime in the future? Or are they only planning to rehash > out old songs in live gigs henceforth? And release godawful quality live albums. > If so, then is this going to benefit the name Hawkwind, and bring more > fans to Hawkwind music? Absolutely not. As someone has already pointed out, it would more than likely turn them away. Steve. From christmu at EUNET.NO Fri Oct 12 14:16:25 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:16:25 +0200 Subject: HW: Damn hippies: Nik vs. Dave (was: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock) Message-ID: root wrote: > Dave Brock also said something to the effect "Hawkwind were never a > bunch of hippies the closest we came to that was Nik Turner" > I'm kinda of the opinion that Hawkwind at their best ARE just a bunch of > trippers/hippies, possibly why I really like 'Bring Me The Head' and > 'Text Of Festival' so much, be that as it may. Hawkwind always struck me as the essential prototype punks and 'blitzers' - hippies maybe, but not the kind to sit around with love beads, gurus and Beatles records. They've held out for over 30 years and have been just as happy playing outside the fence of major events like Isle of Wight in their early days, to playing Stonehenge or other unsanctioned or protest festivals during the 80's and 90's when illegal raves still were in vogue. And you can still get away with calling them "heavy metal": they were the streetmetal of the '70's and 80's. > There is a presidence here. When the Sex Pistols split up Malcom > Maclaren tried to stop John Lydon using the name Johnny Rotten.... And > lost. Nik's nickname (before Hawkwind Zoo) was Hawkwind. Nik does > have a legitimate claim to that name and all credit to him for not using > it except as a means of publicizing his work. I don't see him as in any > way trying to dupe people into thinking he IS Hawkwind in the sense that > Brock IS Hawkwind, but to remind people of the part he played and that > like it or not he is part of the Family. I mentioned Gong above. Gong > have no problem with ex/present members using the name Gong to promote > non Gong albums (Paris Gong, New York Gong, Mother Gong, Pierre Moulons > Gong etc) so why should Hawkwind have such a problem? Its a tradition with Hawkwind that probably could be ressurected abit, seeing there's been bands playing live under different lineups and Hawk-related names since the 70's, however the Brock camp always made the most "legitimate" use of the "Hawk" name it seems, and I think Nik should be allowed a little bit of leeway, though I don't think it has anything to do with the official side of Hawkwind's real output. > All the Hawkwind fans I know (many) are just as interested in what Nik > is doing as in what Hawkwind/Brock are doing so it seems to me that > there should be no problem so long as there is no deliberate > mis-representation. As far as the flyers I've seen go there has been > no mis-representation so like wheres the problem? The root of the problem may be Nik's sudden "return" to the spotlight after many years absent from the Hawkwind camp, seemingly trying to cash in on the Hawkwind name in the US in the early 90's, which branded him as something of a "rougue"... After all, Hawkwind continued on releasing records and touring under the Hawkwind name for many years with or without Nik, and him suddenly jumping in with a bunch of other guys, making a claim to the name is abit off... IMO. Though I have to say his latter day releases are well worth the money, and having interviewed him with Scott Heller in Hamburg in 98, he came off as a very honest fellow, so who knows, he may have been misrepresented abit by his management more than anything else... Chr. ObCD: Black Sabbath - Live Evil --- Visit A Disease of The Mind at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/index.html - a library of rare pulp covers and other fallout from the 20th Century. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 12 14:35:15 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:35:15 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH comments. In-Reply-To: <158.248be2e.28f63095@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear All, Nick and others have said a lot of things I meant to say but I'm going to post a review anyway :-) In a rare burst of actually posting on something up to date... (I am in fact catching up, fear me). ANYWAY. I thought Add N to X were on to a good thing, having had no idea of them at all before then; they understand the blanga concept even if they're trying to do it exlcusively with 303s and Wavestations and a (very well-played I thought) theremin. But I didn't think their ability was quite up to their imagination. Still they were worth seeing as a support act. So, Hawkwind. To get the facts out of the way before the opinion starts in, line-up was Dave B., Keith K. (no hat this time!), Tim Blake and his computer, Richard "Two-Stone" Chadwick, Ali Davey, Simon House and Huw Lloyd Langton all playing what you'd expect them to play, plus Jez Huggett on some numbers (* in the list below) and excepting `New Jerusalem' which was played with only Tim and Dave on stage, and the first number of the encore which was only Simon :-) `Space is Their Palestine' was actually done live, as far as I could tell, by way of total reversal. Michael Moorcock was also supposedly doing phone-in vocals on numbers marked !. And set-list was: Lighthouse -> Levitation/ Spiral Galaxy 28948/ Moonglum/ New Jerusalem/ Angels of Death/ Sonic Attack*! -> The Watcher*/ Motorway City -> Hurry On Sundown/ Damned By the Curse of Man!/ Assassins of Allah -> Space is Their Palestine -> Assassins of Allah/ Ejection -> `Tree Fall' -> Ejection // The Star-Spangled Banner/ Assault & Battery -> The Golden Void -> Void's End Where we were the sound was actually not bad. By the end of the set. But by that point I'd damned the soundman to every kind of unpleasant death I could envisage. As it started all we could hear were drums, bass, and vocals, and Tim's and Dave's synths but not really Keith's. The drums were perfectly miked again which is really nice to hear but not when there's nothing else. Dave's guitar became slowly more audible through the course of `Levitation' and the soundman clearly became aware that that ting Simon was playing was an instrument in the first few notes of `Spiral Galaxy' after which he was sublimely and wonderfully audible for all the set. Huw was quite clearly switched into the PA only halfway through `Moonglum' and had gone again by the start of `Motorway City', during which he was brought up again only to be inaudible again by `Assassins'. I suspect that those who actually could hear him were close enough to hear his amp, which looked bloody huge for all the good it did him. Keith I only heard three times in the whole set, none for longer than a minute. It's not good enough, in the RFH, really. They must have had a sound-check, what happened to it? Jez wasn't too audible either but then he hardly seemed to play. Huw also seemed to lose heart several times because he couldn't hear himself, and I can't say I blame him. Everyone except Jez, who really seemed pissed off, having a brief argy-bargy with Huw when he first left the stage, was playing really really well. Dave especially riffed the hell out of almost everything, Tim was astounding, I've never rated him as an accompanist compared to his solo work up to now and now I know better, Simon was *incredible* and Huw's solos that I could hear were as impressively unexpected as anything he's done on record with Hawkwind. And Richard and Alan^H^Hi were eerything we expect. Huw was also in pretty good voice I thought considering what he sounded like last time I saw him (when however he played like an angel). But. You knew there'd be a but, didn't you. But. It wasn't very good. The sound killed a lot of it; but though everyone was on form at times, the places where they were all doing it together were relatively few, and there were a few horrible clunks where someone came out of a break a few bars too early or late. Alan and Richard are beginning to tire me as a rhythm section; everything is starting to sound the same in tyheir hands. If Alan would stop playing bass like Lemmy in Motorhead and get back to playing like Lemmy in Hawkwind this would help (he was doing the machine-gun bass thing as he came back on too, if he can find any more ways to imitate Lemmy I'll be impressed); everything seems to be in the same key and time signature now. In particular `The Watcher', fantastic though it was to hear it, was caught halfway between the pacey Motorhead version that Ali wanted to play and the atmospheric eerie version tat everyone else seemed to be geared up for. Also, I don't know what Dave was doing trying to replicate Ron's out-tro to `Ejection'--he did about two lines and then gave up. Moorcock was sadly not worth the bother; he sounded as if he was giving it his best but he was inaudible below the band if they were actually playing and they clearly couldn't hear him on stage or he them. Which is a pity as I've not even heard `Curse of Man' on record and I'd have liked to know what the words are. I also did think that just this once they might have dropped `Assassins'. They could have played something from the last fifteen years instead. No, I was quite heavily disappointed. They're all great, but they weren't doing it right. I thought some of the problems arose from not having fully worked out how to incorporate Tim fully, especially using his percussion machinery which seemed to be doing the wrong thing a couple of times. And there's no question that the soundman got almost everything he could have got wrong wrong. But next time anyone cares to tax Nik & Trev with advertising people who don't turn up (no Arthur Brown, no Graham Coxon) and being scrappy and under-rehearsed, let's not forget that the real band can do it too. Better luck on tour fellas. I will be going to the GTP2001 gig also, which I should point out I expect to be *awful*. But I can't pass up the chance to see ICU. I just wish Nik and Dave would stop doing things in such a way as to piss the other off. Nik didn't have to use the same date for this Hawkestra as last year or allow Mick Farren to call them "Hawkwind in all but name", and Dave didn't have to try and stop the gig being advertised. Grow up the pair of you. And for Gods's sake settle with Doug, and get a switch doctor and a record label and a new manager. That's my stance and I'm sticking to it. Yours, Jon ObCassette: Rainbow - _Rainbow Rising_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM Fri Oct 12 15:58:41 2001 From: bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:58:41 -0500 Subject: Review of Billy Hilfiger Tribute Message-ID: This is from Barb Hayes, originally posted to several Alice Cooper lists on Yahoo! Groups... It has quite a few comments from Joe Bouchard... - Bert >From: bhayes3357 at aol.com > >I promised you guys a proper and more accurate review of Monday nights "A >tribute to Billy" So As not to forget anyone who is deserving of credit from >The show and Tribute To Billy Hilfiger Monday night I wrote to Joe and he >replied giving me a much more perfect picture of the evening. I will share >this with you as this is probably as accurate as you can get. Thanks Joe. >Lol > >Straight to me from Joe Bouchard and straight back to you as he wrote. >the editing in blue where it has bh is my new entries > >I wrote to Joe ><< The reason I am writing is I want to give an accurate review of the >evening and not miss giving praise to anyone can you please give me the >performers >> > > >Joe Bouchard Replied >You know I'm not sure of all the performers, but my recollection was: >1. The Brain Surgeons - actually the first song was just me and Albert >playing "Billy's Song", a song Billy wrote for the Brian Surgeons. Followed >by "The Last Angry Woman" a song that Billy co-wrote for that group. And >the third song was "Godzilla", a BOC staple. > >bh( who was the female who was playing guitar) > >2. Leslie West and Mountain, with Corky Laing and Richie Scarlet. A great >tight set ending with one of Billy's favs "Mississippi Queen". They played >"Theme from an Imaginary Western" too. > >3. The X Brothers with Buck Dharma on guitar and brother Albert on vocals >and cowbell. "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll" and "Reaper" good set. >The first time in 19 years that three of us founders of BOC performed on >stage together. > >bh replies (I agree with Joe here this was by far a great set) > >4. Next was King Flux, featuring Richie Stotts of the Plasmatics and Marky >Bell of the Ramones. Andy Hilfiger played bass and Michael H. sang the >vocals. Stones songs "Jumpin Jack Flash" and "The Last Time" > >bh replies humbly (apologies Richie Stotts I dont know why I wrote Starks and >too think I was friends with Wendy O I knew the name it just somehow came out >wrong must have been thinking of Ringo for some reason) > >5. Bouchard, Dunaway and Smith playing Under My Wheels and The Real >Thing/Fallen Angel medley. Broke a string at the end of Under My Wheels, a >big fat A string, so you know I was playing hard. Deborah, Albert wife, lent >me her guitar, which sounded great, for the medley. > > >bh replies (you guys were so good I missed the string breaking I never miss >it when Michael breaks his strings which he does all the time lol love ya >michael ) > >6. A Set by Manitoba's Wild Kingdom featuring members of the Dictators. >"The Party Starts Now!" "A Haircut and Attitude" some of their great songs. > >7. Ricky Byrd (Joan Jett and the Blackhearts) played Hunka Hunka Burnin >Love. With myself on bass. The drummer and 2nd guitar was guys from the >house band Rock Candy. > >8. Even more jammin with Michael Fredo, and Michael H doing more Stones >songs. > >9. Short set with the house band and Michael H. I can only remember the >Cheap Trick song "Hello There" > >9. Even more jammin with the X Brothers. The first song was Simple Man and >Lynyrd Skynyrd song that Billy used to sing, and he recorded with the Brain >Surgeons. Last song I can remember was "Sympathy for the Devil" with Andy on >vocal. Even as I left at 1am the band was still cranking it out. > >What a night! Billy would have been very happy. > >Looks like the next event will be the Tribute to Helen Wheels on Dec. 5th at >CBGBs. Should be a real blast too. Hope you can make that one too. I think >you've probably seen us more than anyone. > >(Im sure Joe nobody is going to miss showing up for this one after hearing >the set from >Tribute to Billy I can only add this Billy Hilfiger must have been one >terrific guy to draw >so many friends and family and musicians he knew out as the place was packed.) > > >;-)! > >love ya, >Joe From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Oct 12 16:15:04 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:15:04 GMT Subject: BRAIN: Review of Billy Hilfiger Tribute Message-ID: Curses! beaten by someone else! I have a review coming myself (since I was there by grace of God and the Brain Surgeons) but its a bit.... "longer" as I'm wont to write a bit. For now, ii'll fill in the blanks. > >You know I'm not sure of all the performers, but my recollection was: > >1. The Brain Surgeons - actually the first song was just me and Albert > >playing "Billy's Song", a song Billy wrote for the Brian Surgeons. Followed > >by "The Last Angry Woman" a song that Billy co-wrote for that group. And > >the third song was "Godzilla", a BOC staple. Yep. Last Angry woman stomped far harder than usual. and thats saying somethin'! Dave wished they could have played more. > >2. Leslie West and Mountain, with Corky Laing and Richie Scarlet. A great > >tight set ending with one of Billy's favs "Mississippi Queen". They played > >"Theme from an Imaginary Western" too. Theme From... was the second song. it had a markedly different tempo than the studio version on the 1st record. Leslies vox and guitar were perfect. Mississippi Queen was LOUD :) > >3. The X Brothers with Buck Dharma on guitar and brother Albert on vocals > >and cowbell. "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll" and "Reaper" good set. > >The first time in 19 years that three of us founders of BOC performed on > >stage together. Cowbell was on Reaper. And done a la the studio version. during the end guitar run, Albert also hit the cymbols (sp!). This was not an expected part of the show, upon talking with DF and DH. Can you imagine how mind blowing those two songs were???????? I cant and i was there... it was too amazing. > >4. Next was King Flux, featuring Richie Stotts of the Plasmatics and Marky > >Bell of the Ramones. Andy Hilfiger played bass and Michael H. sang the > >vocals. Stones songs "Jumpin Jack Flash" and "The Last Time" Yes. good punky Last Time too. > >5. Bouchard, Dunaway and Smith playing Under My Wheels and The Real > >Thing/Fallen Angel medley. Broke a string at the end of Under My Wheels, a > >big fat A string, so you know I was playing hard. Deborah, Albert wife, lent > >me her guitar, which sounded great, for the medley. Fallen Angel was storming. I mean really really reallly good. from the dust it rose on high by several thousand feet (8 miles in fact) > >6. A Set by Manitoba's Wild Kingdom featuring members of the Dictators. > >"The Party Starts Now!" "A Haircut and Attitude" some of their great songs. Manitoba was clad in a swanky red white and blue leather jacket with his name on the back and the cords which fall from the arms of the jacket(argh! noun escapes me!!) > > > >7. Ricky Byrd (Joan Jett and the Blackhearts) played Hunka Hunka Burnin > >Love. With myself on bass. The drummer and 2nd guitar was guys from the > >house band Rock Candy. Great extended guitar solo.... everyone was digging the song. Byrd said Billy loved it when he played > > > >8. Even more jammin with Michael Fredo, and Michael H doing more Stones > >songs. Satisfaction and Honky Tonk Women and Brown sugar > >9. Short set with the house band and Michael H. I can only remember the > >Cheap Trick song "Hello There" and I think they did Surrender too. yes they did. > > > >9. Even more jammin with the X Brothers. The first song was Simple Man and > >Lynyrd Skynyrd song that Billy used to sing, and he recorded with the Brain > >Surgeons. Last song I can remember was "Sympathy for the Devil" with Andy on > >vocal. Even as I left at 1am the band was still cranking it out. I think Joe was around as well for Satisfaction. I left at 2 and people were still playing... i left during Born to be wild at 2 am. I'll cap it off like this: THIS WAS THE BEST SHOW I HAVE EVER BEEN WITNESS TO. EVER. There are no real words that could capture how amazing the whole time was other than Love of Billy Hilfiger in song and the family of Rock and Roll. Bolts of Ungodly Vision. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 12 16:41:52 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:41:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:48:30 +0100, J D wrote: > Has anybody ever compiled a league table of "service time in HW"? There's the personnel list that just gives the years that certain people were involved in the band ... > The top spots would be relatively easy to work out but it would > get more interesting down at the nether region! There's actually a pretty wide span among these people ... >> Possible candidates being: >> >> Dick Taylor no gigs, played on some of the first album (possibly "Hurry On Sundown", acoording to a recent interview with him) and produced the whole thing >> Thomas Crimble no studio appearence, but at least 90(!) gigs 7/70 - 3/71 (for perspective, by my count, Ron Tree played 117 gigs with Hawkwind 4/95 - 4/01) [*] >> Twink (the roadie) 5 gigs (10/80), no studio time >> Rob Heaton *1* gig (Stonehenge '83), and part of the 'Earth Ritual Preview' EP; I think we may have a winner! >> Steve Bemand He should probably be treated as a guest, not a member. Like Dumpy, Arthur Brown, Samantha Fox, etc. >> Clive Deamer 42 gigs (3/84-6/85), no studio time also: Mick Slattery - studio demo, 19 gigs (8/69-1/70) John Harrison - first album, 58 gigs (8/69-6/70) Dave Anderson - XiSoS (of course!), but a mere 58 gigs (4/71-8/71) Paul Rudolph - ASAM, 80 gigs (5/75-12/76) Adrian Shaw - Quark, PXR5, 79 gigs (2/77-3/78) Paul Hayles - no studio, 15 gigs (3/78) plus 1 as Sonic Assassins 12/77 Steve Swindells - Hawklords, 40 gigs (1/78-11/78) Tim Blake - Levitation, 40 gigs (9/79-10/80) Ginger Baker - Levitation, 46 gigs (10/80-2/81) Keith Hale - no studio, 34 gigs (10/80-2/81) Andy Anderson - no studio, 8 gigs (2/83) John Clark - drums on 'Earth Ritual Preview', no gigs Fred Reeves - no studio, 38 gigs (6/83-7/84) Rick Martinez - no studio, 17 gigs (2/84-3/84) Paul Cobbold - studio engineer, played percussion on CotBS, no gigs Mick Kirton - no studio, 9 gigs (8/88-10/88) Bridget Wishart - 83(!) gigs (6/89-4/91) Crum - 33 gigs (10/97-11/97) plus 10 gigs (Agents of Chaos) in 88/89 Rizz - 47(at most?) gigs (7/97-3/01) Steve Taylor - no studio, 14 gigs (8/98, 2/00-3/00) So, by number of gigs: Thom Crimble (90) Bridget Wishart (83) Paul Rudolph (80) Ade Shaw (79) John Harrison (58) Dave Anderson (58) Rizz (47, possibly fewer) Ginger Baker (46) Clive Deamer (42) Steve Swindells (40) Tim Blake (40) Dead Fred Reeves (38) Keith Hale (34) Crum (33 ... or 43?) Mick Slattery (19) Rick Martinez (17) Paul Hayles (15 or 16) Steve Taylor (14) Mick Kirton (9) Andy Anderson (8) Twink (5) Rob Heaton (1) Dick Taylor & John Clark & Paul Cobbold tie for 0! Fascinating how the bass players (Crimble, Shaw, Rudolph & Harrison, Anderson) are grouped together (80-90 & 58 gigs), as are the keyboardists (Swindells, Blake, Dead Fred, Keith Hale & Crum with 33-43 gigs). I guess it's a safe bet that Dave, Nik, Huw, DikMik, Del, Lemmy, Calvert, Simons House & King, Al Powell, Harvey, Martin Griffin, Alan, Danny, Richard & Ron (16 different people!) each has over 100 Hawkwind gigs under his belt (Jerry slips in at slightly under 100 if you count the Agents of Chaos gigs, slightly over 80 if you don't) ... Someone else can do the math for "length-of-tenure". Obviously very different results, since Ron Tree didn't play very many more gigs with Hawkwind in six YEARS than Thom Crimble did with Hawkwind in six MONTHS. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com [*] # of gigs counted from Bernhard's(?) giglist; I may have miscounted in places, and certain gigs (like the Hawkon) may have been counted as a "gig" for some participants and not others, so there is a small margin of error here. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 12 16:24:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:24:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: VDO Message-ID: Hi Folks... Don't know how many of you are familiar with the Vas Deferens Organization, and their extended family (Tone Float, Muz, etc.). But the very best stuff from that outfit I've heard was a couple pieces on a sampler CD-R they made a few years ago of stuff that was not yet released. Anyway, I believe it is this stuff that is just coming out now (or real soon) on 10" vinyl (only...ugh.) under the title 'Tilt?'. See here for more details. http://www.blrrecords.com/mt026.htm There's more info about VDO at A-I.com, including these two articles. 1. http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue4/vdo01.html (The 'Tilt?' tracks were on that 'Timothy's Brain' sampler, and I guess the delay has been that the intended label (Avant Garde distribution in Chicago, essentially) I guess stopped activities?, and so they had to find the folks at BLR to put this stuff out.) 2. http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue5/texas01.html If this is indeed the same material on this 10", I highly recommend it. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Dunlavy - Thaumaticron 2 (even with drum machine) P.S. FYI - http://www.vasdeferensorganization.com looks like it houses a big .mp3 library of excellent old space/psych/kraut stuff. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 12 18:41:47 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:41:47 +0100 Subject: Cellular Structure Message-ID: Yes - Mikey boy's right with this one and it's in stock now at CD Services and it's bloody good stuff too - Tim B fans will like this in particular. Andy G. P.S. The new Crum/Moonloonies CD is fantastic - more on that one real soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: a new remaster?/ RFH T-Shirt > << For the file... :-) Is this out? Does anyone know the title, and > is it correct that it has Hawks on it somewhere?>> > > yes- it's called "Solar Axis"- tracks z=z(squared)+c, nebula time, beyond > galactica, headspace(remix), crystal void, aurora, saucers(edit), > earthpipe, could this be space, solar axis, last flight to futura, solar > eclipse, tribalspace, dreamcatcher.... > > another one awaiting a play, it's part studio and part live, Crum helped > mix and produce it, so it's a good sign.......Andy G?? > > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Oct 12 18:06:02 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 06:06:02 +0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroywholesomecountriesandmislead their children with... Message-ID: LOL and potassium ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroywholesomecountriesandmislead their children with... > f. rat writes: > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > > > > > > > "f. rat" wrote: > > Put the keyboard down now and take your lithium immediately. > > FoFP > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 12 18:23:27 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:23:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Favorite shit to help destroywholesomecountriesandmislead their children with... Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:19:52 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >f. rat writes: adjust me >> "f. rat" wrote: Adjust Me >> > "f. rat" wrote: ADJUST ME >> > > "f. rat" wrote: ADJUST ME!!! -Doug (insert Mark E. Smith quote) jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 12 20:11:07 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:11:07 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH comments. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon- a few footnotes to your comments... In message , Jon Jarrett writes >I thought Add N to X were on to a good thing, having had >no idea of them at all before then; they understand the blanga concept >even if they're trying to do it exlcusively with 303s and Wavestations and >a (very well-played I thought) theremin. But I didn't think their ability >was quite up to their imagination. They weren't bad, but I thought they were going to be brilliant. However it all sounded too samey after a while, and too rigidly mechanical. No light- and-shade. They were extraordinarily loud, perhaps the first time I've seen a support band louder than the main event (maybe Bedouin at the Hawkestra?) > plus Jez >Huggett on some numbers (* in the list below) Jez also played on Hassan- the dervish-style clarinet, his best contribution I thought- and on Golden Void. >The Star-Spangled Banner I have to admit I didn't realise this was what Simon was playing, but you're right. He only played about 10 seconds of it though. People booed because Dave had asked him to play a "nice classical violin solo" and it didn't fit the bill. At least I assume that's why people were booing, hope it wasn't anything else.. I'm sure it wasn't. > > Where we were the sound was actually not bad. By the end of the >set. But by that point I'd damned the soundman to every kind of unpleasant >death I could envisage. I am counting myself luckier and luckier as I read all the various comments. I was standing right at the front, directly in front of Huw, and I could hear every note played by both him and Simon. I know I already said this in my previous post but it bears repeating- Huw was brilliant. > I >suspect that those who actually could hear him were close enough to hear >his amp, Yes that might have been it! > Everyone except Jez, who really seemed pissed off, having a brief >argy-bargy with Huw when he first left the stage Nooo... I don't think so. They were both laughing- it was just horseplay unless I was very much mistaken. One further observation on the RFH: it was amusing that- uniquely in my experience there- they had a few burly security men on duty Wednesday night, clearly Hawkwind have a reputation for attracting the "wrong sort" despite the overwhelmingly peaceful nature of the HW crowd. Yet I saw Faust there tonight and a mass brawl broke out about 10 minutes into Faust's set. There was no-one on hand to sort it out, and it continued for far too long, as far as I could see it was eventually halted by other audience members. Faust were amazing though. I really must get some sleep now. -- Nick Medford From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 12 21:54:01 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 02:54:01 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner Speaks Message-ID: Hawkestra Information The Mighty Thunder Rider Speaks Greetings Hawkpeople Welcome to my Planet Hoping everything is groovy out there in space, Here is an update on the Greasy Truckers Party at the London Astoria on October 21st 2001 ( The Hawkestra's First Birthday) to which the Hawkestra has been invited to perform and to party. As you know, every member of Hawkwind past (Pastwind??) Present and Future i.e. 'The Hawkestra' has been invited to attend and participate in whatever role they choose in a totally democratic situation; where they may choose the songs they wish to play on and where they may play on everything if they wish- with respect for the other members. Members of the audience - the real Hawkwind- will be invited to participate on stage and sing the songs they want to hear, to get up and boogie. Certian members of the HAWKESTRA have said they will definitely be there - Adrian Shaw, Captain Rizz, Dave Anderson, Del Detmar, Dik Mik, Jerry Richards, Martin Griffin, Mick Slattery, Nik Turner, Ron Tree, Steve Swindells, Terry Ollis, Thomas Crimble- the following said they would be there if they could - Alan Powell, Lemmy, Mike Moorcock, Paul Rudolph. Other members have said they would not be there - Huw Lloyd Langton, Simon House, for personal reasons and some others have not responded to the invitation at all, but are all welcome to turn up on the night, so there may be lots of surprises. Other performers who have agreed to perform are 'MAN' including Martin Ace[bass] Deke Leonard{guitar],Mickey Jones[guitar],Bob Richard[drums] and Gareth Thorrington[keyboards] MAGIC MICHAEL INNER CITY UNIT including , Judge Trev, Nazar, Psteve,Dino, Nik,and Commander Jim Hawkman,PLUS ORIGINAL GREASY TRUCKERS ROUNDHOUSE D.J.. ANDY" WE HAVE LIFT OFF" DUNKLEY plus Mick Farren and The US Deviants[subject to airline and world crises]and possibly some members of the Pink Fairies and possibly Greasy Truckers originals BLACKHEATH FOOT AND DEATH MEN, plus lots of other surprises The event will run from - Doors open at 6pm, First band on 7pm- so please come early - the party must finish at 12pm. Please contact the Astoria - 0207 434 9592 for confirmation as to who will definitely attend, so that you may not be dissappointed in any way. Incidentally, this party is the Main Story on popex.com and you may find more info. imminently on nikturner.com Stay High, Be Cool, see you out there with peace and love MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 12 22:56:48 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:56:48 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner Speaks Message-ID: Hawkestra Information The Mighty Thunder Rider Speaks Greetings Hawkpeople Welcome to my Planet Hoping everything is groovy out there in space, Here is an update on the Greasy Truckers Party at the London Astoria on October 21st 2001 ( The Hawkestra's First Birthday) to which the Hawkestra has been invited to perform and to party. As you know, every member of Hawkwind past (Pastwind??) Present and Future i.e. 'The Hawkestra' has been invited to attend and participate in whatever role they choose in a totally democratic situation; where they may choose the songs they wish to play on and where they may play on everything if they wish- with respect for the other members. Members of the audience - the real Hawkwind- will be invited to participate on stage and sing the songs they want to hear, to get up and boogie. Certian members of the HAWKESTRA have said they will definitely be there - Adrian Shaw, Captain Rizz, Dave Anderson, Del Detmar, Dik Mik, Jerry Richards, Martin Griffin, Mick Slattery, Nik Turner, Ron Tree, Steve Swindells, Terry Ollis, Thomas Crimble- the following said they would be there if they could - Alan Powell, Lemmy, Mike Moorcock, Paul Rudolph. Other members have said they would not be there - Huw Lloyd Langton, Simon House, for personal reasons and some others have not responded to the invitation at all, but are all welcome to turn up on the night, so there may be lots of surprises. Other performers who have agreed to perform are 'MAN' including Martin Ace[bass] Deke Leonard{guitar],Mickey Jones[guitar],Bob Richard[drums] and Gareth Thorrington[keyboards] MAGIC MICHAEL INNER CITY UNIT including , Judge Trev, Nazar, Psteve,Dino, Nik,and Commander Jim Hawkman,PLUS ORIGINAL GREASY TRUCKERS ROUNDHOUSE D.J.. ANDY" WE HAVE LIFT OFF" DUNKLEY plus Mick Farren and The US Deviants[subject to airline and world crises]and possibly some members of the Pink Fairies and possibly Greasy Truckers originals BLACKHEATH FOOT AND DEATH MEN, plus lots of other surprises The event will run from - Doors open at 6pm, First band on 7pm- so please come early - the party must finish at 12pm. Please contact the Astoria - 0207 434 9592 for confirmation as to who will definitely attend, so that you may not be dissappointed in any way. Incidentally, this party is the Main Story on popex.com and you may find more info. imminently on nikturner.com Stay High, Be Cool, see you out there with peace and love MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sat Oct 13 01:52:14 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:52:14 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH comments. Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 01:11:07 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >Jez also played on Hassan- the dervish-style clarinet ------------------------------------------------------- I've seen this dervish instrument in Mr.Huggett's hands and I think it's not a clarinet, but a soprano saxophone. It's perfect for Hassan-i-Sahba, whichever it is. BTW good reviews, Nick and Jon! Steve From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sat Oct 13 06:25:33 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:25:33 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH Message-ID: I'd thought they might've played Welcome To The Future for topicalitiy. Nick From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 13 09:38:53 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:38:53 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH comments. In-Reply-To: <200110130552.BAA27234@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110130552.BAA27234 at listserv.spc.edu>, Moonglum . writes >I've seen this dervish instrument in Mr.Huggett's hands and I think it's >not a clarinet, but a soprano saxophone. You're probably right Steve. I called it "clarinet" because, er, I didn't know what else to call it! I don't really know anything about proper music I'm afraid. -- Nick Medford From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 12:44:06 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:44:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Rejoins In-Reply-To: <3B6E62E1.9317CA01@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > last couple of times I've seen Huw he's been awful. The albums where > he was under control "live 79, levitation and Sonic attack" are 20 > years old now..After those albums he tuned the band into some kind of > heavy metal parody > > Can he still play in tune ? has anyone seen any of his solo concerts > or with his band ? what did it sound like ? > > Based on what I heard at Brixton and Croydon ( on video ) he has not > left me with any confidence that he can play like he used to. Looking > forward to good reports from the Canterbury gig so that these words > will return to haunt me for eternity, And that what i've heard so far > has just been a blip. I saw him as acoustic support at the Astoria gig and with the band at Canterbury, and of course just now at the RFH. Before that I saw him at the Blackheath gig in 1997, and then I'd have agreed with every word you said. I couldn't see the point of his LLB set, nothing there bar a nice tune or two and an insistence on playing `Hurry on Sundown' twice because the crowd and actually made some noise about that. e was good with the Hawks themselves for the encore but then it was the first time Ron had played bass with them live and Jerry was also settling into it as a regular, so utter chaos was what we got, one of those fantastic gigs where the Hawks somehow pull it all together and you come out on a massive high from the sheer spontaneity of it. So he was OK, but not the legend, as it were. And I thought nothing of his acoustic performance. So, for the Hawkestra gig I missed his solo acoustic performance because I thought it would be less fun than another pint would. This may have been a mistake. Although given his performance with the main band I'm not too sure about that. But at the Astoria he was spell-binding. I'm still not sure how he did it. One man with a semi-acoustic guitar and an almost unintelligible patter started with a hall of randoms chatting to each other and inside twenty minutes had the whole audience sitting completely still in awe. He was *fantastic*. Wandering in and out of things I knew and into his own songs, fantastic technique and marvellously sensitive playing; not perfect but completely at ease with its defects, you know what I mean. And at Canterbury I was forced to acclaim him space guitarist of the new millennium because of the eerie noises he was linking his really pretty good solos with. So I'd say he can play all right still. I wish I could use the RFH gig as evidence in favour too, but I could only hear him at times and even during some of those he appeared to have given up trying, presumably because of not being audible. What I heard was mostly OK with one flash of brilliance. He's not quite reliable, I think, mood affects him more than it does the others, but when on form he;s still got it all right. IMO. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _02I_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 12:48:21 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:48:21 +0100 Subject: Huw rejoins In-Reply-To: <068c01c11e74$132a3f60$66b2eec3@development.bloomsbury.com>; from kevin.perry@VIRGIN.NET on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:34:02PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:34:02PM +0100, Kevin Perry wrote: > Huh? > > Listen to Solitary Mind Games, Dreaming City, Waiting For Tomorrow, Moonglum > and Sword of the East (a random selection off the top of my head) and then > tell me they all sound the same. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuckey, Robert" > Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > > > > Couldn't agree more, with the possible exception of Motorway City, > > everything else Huw did was bollocks, especially the Chronicles stuff > > ...dull, dull, dull...he made all the tracks he played on sound > > the same!!!! Well, if we leave out `Sword of the East' we get left mostly with the tracks he wrote except `Tides' (which I rather like) and I'd say `Moonglum' is the only one that doesn't sound like it came off a production line myself. I find it very hard to tell `Solitary Mind Games' and `Waiting for Tomorrow' apart until they get to the chorus. I still like them mind but I don't think they're exactly varied. Yours, Jonathan -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 12:52:59 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:52:59 +0100 Subject: Ultima Thule *IS* Wind of Change In-Reply-To: ; from mmje@MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:01:07PM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 07:01:07PM +0100, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Replying to this somewhat belatedly, I'll have to give it another listen. I > didn't recall the similarity last time and I think the riff to Ultima Thule > is used towards the end of the main track on the TD album Alpha Centauri. > Certainly, I remember thinking "Oh, is that it?" after reading about UT for > so long but this assumes my recording is correct (Electronic Orgy CDs). > > > I heard Tangerine Dream's Ultima Thule single for the first time last > > night. Unless someone has slipped a demo copy of Wind of Change onto my > > disc then Hawkwind practically lifted Wind of Change straight from it. > > It was quite a surprise! The melody line from `Ultima Thule Teil 2' crops up again during `Fauni Gema' on _Atem_, I think, but I don't hear `Wind of Change' in it myself. It's not a particularly difficult chord sequence to replicate, I guess. But I think I know the bit on the end of `Alpha Centauri' that you mean and *that* I can see a similarity to `Wind of Change' in. I'm still not convinced it has to be a lift though; it's a fairly basic progression, surely, albeit used to great effect here by Mr Brock? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 13 13:56:49 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mc) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:56:49 -0600 Subject: (OFF) RESURRECTION (was VENOMWIND oh "spar"me "spar"me) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: upon driving home yesterday with some good news (you know, life and death kinda stuff)......I decided to do what I do best.......used it as an excuse to stop at the local beer covenience place........but wait! ....didn't I want to replace that cool Motorhead "best of" CD that a giggling pupil dilater spilled beer on when rolling around on the floor? of course I did- I'm picky (and it turned out to be a different USA press anyway, as usual with my world)...so I decided to steal away to the music shop and empty out this evil green colored paper crammed with confusing symbolism in trade for some garbage and see who got burned- so why not go look at Venom CD availabilty since I had already forgotten they existed again, but Jon J had resurrected a dead thread..... I had NO idea the title would prove significant to the only available CD with music I'd never heard (if you call it music) (and I WON!) Thanks to Jon, I can quote these lyrics CONROL FREAK ************ controller stands his ground un-moving, fixed staring you must comply with his demands he tells you this don't think to question his will mutter his congregation un-told terrors will unfold according to who- someone said controller waves his stick un-fearing, grip tightening you will understand all (one day) he tells you this why can't we know all now silence screams the controller you will be deemed unworthy un-worthy of what -someone said control freak bleeds you dry control freak fades and dies control freak leeches lust control freak vanish into dust controller strikes a match un-shaken, yet forsaken you must drink the flame (of life) he sells you this your faith will cost you all to stop will see him fall silence spits the controller fu*k you- someone said ******************** ladies and gents, the little black egg cracked and hatched....I'll be holding on to this little peek into the icy black mountain-tops of madness.... If you ever stole away to yourself with this band, they got it right this time.... Jeff Dunn abuses the guitar.......he's there. m ps- this post is not assuming anyone cares- I just felt like it, so here it is- From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 12:56:12 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:56:12 +0100 Subject: Cellular Structure In-Reply-To: <013101c1536f$1453dc40$ca9abc3e@s8d3c4>; from andygee@DIAL.PIPEX.COM on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 11:41:47PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 11:41:47PM +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Yes - Mikey boy's right with this one and it's in stock now at CD Services > and it's bloody good stuff too - Tim B fans will like this in particular. But it's not got any Hawks on it? I mean, I do rather rate Phil H. as keyboard composer, but do I or do I not have to write it into the great spin-offs file. > The new Crum/Moonloonies CD is fantastic - more on that one real soon. Ooh. Title, release date? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike c" > Subject: Re: HW: a new remaster?/ RFH T-Shirt > > > << For the file... :-) Is this out? Does anyone know the title, and > > is it correct that it has Hawks on it somewhere?>> > > > > yes- it's called "Solar Axis"- tracks z=z(squared)+c, nebula time, beyond > > galactica, headspace(remix), crystal void, aurora, saucers(edit), > > earthpipe, could this be space, solar axis, last flight to futura, solar > > eclipse, tribalspace, dreamcatcher.... -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 13 14:00:34 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM ("<>"?) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:00:34 -0600 Subject: (OFF)(ON) "<>"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x "<>" x ? ? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 13:06:40 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:06:40 +0100 Subject: (OFF) afterthought and confusion In-Reply-To: <3B704C7C.E7964667@petronet.net>; from tclark@PETRONET.NET on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:15:57PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:15:57PM -0500, Tom Clark wrote: > Why then don't you post stuff like that in a forum deadicated to people > who enjoy disseminating gruesome shit..... > > What do mutilated bodies have to do with Hawkwind anyway?....uhhh > ohyeah....except for the song High Rise............. And `Star Cannibal', `Blue Skin', `Reptoid Vision', anything at all featuring Elric... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 13:09:14 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:09:14 +0100 Subject: Huw Rejoins In-Reply-To: <001501c11f84$2e07ece0$7946efc3@ghostwheel2>; from coral@APORT.RU on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 01:01:49AM +0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 01:01:49AM +0400, Alice wrote: > > I stand by what I say about Chronicles...a load of soft-rock bollocks. > > > > Hawkwind is about driving bass lines, psychedelic synth and punky > > 3-chord distorted guitar rythyms, with fantastic hooks in the vocals > > not crappy eighties squiddly widdly guitar etchings!!! > > Is anyone interested in such opinions? I'm interested in any opinions really. That's why I signed up to a discussion group. What did you do it for? Connection to the heroes or just a good old-fashioned slanging match? Yours, interested in *you* opinion, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 13 13:12:56 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:12:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mail sorting with Outlook In-Reply-To: <009201c12058$01acd780$63a4a918@stny.rr.com>; from jguizar@STNY.RR.COM on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 06:18:07PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 06:18:07PM -0400, Jerry Guizar wrote: > From: "Paul Mather" > > > => > > => hey....and what's wrong with pine? I know...I can go back to using > mail! > > => or change mail.local to cat output directly to /dev/null! save the > > => middleman. > > > > Laugh all you like, but I have read my e-mail on occasion using "more > > /usr/spool/mail/paul". (Normally, I'm more sensible and use Pine.) > > I vote for less :) I'm a Pine user. OK, this is being sent with Mutt but only because my syadmin objects to Pine in its last free version. Once I learn regular expressions I might even use Mutt exclusively but until then Pine is the mailer which protects me from virus foolishness. And of course Mutt won't reda HTML mail... but most people are polite enough not to send it :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 13 14:36:00 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:36:00 -0600 Subject: Judge Trev Command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have to report, these things 1) Judge Trev is my favorite musician next to Dave Brock (and all the cool Hawk men, like Huw, Ali, 2 stoned, Hi-T, etc.), no matter if his hips wiggle when he plays) (Nik too, of course, just wish he'd settle the dustdevil) 2) The Bajina CD will leave smoke trailing out of your ears- it is a MUST HAVE the sound effects break new ground on here- you will LOVE the static rumble (I won't even tell you about the sound effects), and Ron Tree kicks serious "ass" as always/// this one will kill you, if you don't buy it today, then you are either a fool or you need a loan....... and speaking of static max effects and storm clouds the mighty rath of "whatever" conjured up the most wicked storm with tornadoes all around in SUCH OBVIOUS RESPONSE to my neighbors attempting to stop me from rediscovering Judas Priest "Point Of Entry" music (with a nice police LADY, asking if I'd lower levels, with a warm inviting smile, I must add) that I told my mom, "don't fear mom, take joy, it's God, avenging those neighbors"..and she had to agree The Alan Parsons "ammonia avenue" old cassette that I dug out (and put in to change modem dial tone) turned on, then stopped as the power went out (when I went and told mom) then came on as I returned to the music room The gods on high did settle to the appeasing vibes and maintain a low rumbling alliance of spiritual assurance throughout the night (keeping a threatening weirdness unlike those OTHER storms of months previous) I'd swear I have a link to the other side of the sky it's all in what you play and how you play it shhhhh don't tell.... m From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Oct 13 14:48:52 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:48:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Aurora Borealis Gallery Message-ID: Beautiful! http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_01oct01.html From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Sat Oct 13 15:44:54 2001 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:44:54 -0400 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:51:16 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >> personally, i would much prefer the sound of 'driving straight ahead' >> to the sound of a hovercraft or helicopter. >> >> to rock is to be driving straight ahead. I don't disagree with this, I just think there's a little more to it. Moving straight ahead, of itself, is no great achievement. Okay, a hundred and fifty down the motorway is a very memorable and enjoyable feeling. But that's because of the things around it that make you aware of that speed. The lampposts blurring, all those bends you never noticed before, and the sheer length of acceleration it takes to get there. Constant speed has no sensation. So how do you get the sensation of movement in it? Think about walking down a street. To move forwards perpendicular to the x- plane takes two different pairs of sweeps in the y-plane, two springs working perpendicular to the z-plane and a torso doing its torsion thing in the z-plane. Eccentric motions and perpendicularity all over the shop. Striding around, it's not the passing scenery that tells me I'm making good progress, it's the nested pattern of rotation modes in assorted ball and socket joints. The music that feels like rock to me, the music that makes me feel like I'm driving straight ahead, has to have these epicycles too. I mean, really, everything going forwards all together in a neat straight line is a bit boring. It's like sitting in a nice tin box on wheels with a nice soundproofed engine bay and nice sealed doors and moving smoothly along, looking at as much view as you can get through a single plane of tinted windows.. Speed, maybe, but speed like the only point is getting there fast, with no idea of enjoying the ride. And who wants to travel that way? How do you know you're going unless you feel the bite as you kick back against the ground? So let's get on board that helicopter for a minute. Why is it a buzz? why does it feel powerful? because you can hear the roar and feel the shudder as thin metal blades rip through the heavy air, because you know that if they slow down you're going to drop like a stone... perhaps if it sounds like a helicopter, it's trying to invoke that feeling and remind you there's more interesting ways to go fast than on wheels. > This interests me for two reasons, and though to the best of my >current knowledge <> will not be reading this, I wonder if anyone else >might care to pitch in. Firstly, I got played some Mayhem a while back and >that really did sound as if they had a helicopter in the studio. Drums too >but this bass-register wub-wub-wub-wub noise all the time. I must be >getting old, I couldn't see what it was supposed to achieve. > > But, more deeply. A bass-playing friend of mine can get quite >lyrical, or at least, gesticulates very expressively, about the shapes of >music. Bends in riffs, slopes and curves, she sees and enthuses about. She >doesn't really have much time for music that just goes, as Larry has it, >"straight ahead"; I on the other hand do. So I'll put something saying >"this ROCKS," and wig out for five minutes and she'll still be wondering >when the good bit starts as it finishes. It's no good to her without some >kind of shape, straight lines don't do it. > > And my question is, does anyone else understand this sort of >language or is it just that I've successfully picked up her idialect >without really feeling much of what she's talking about? Apologies if this >is too OFF. *ahem* who, me? I'll go back to lurking, then. Sherm. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 13 15:56:46 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:56:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) In-Reply-To: <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e@default> Message-ID: In message <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e at default>, dave hall writes >1. there are those who are talented - and there are the rest. The talented are: >Dave Brock >Huw Lloyd Langton >Simon King >Lemmy >Simon House >Bob Calvert >Adrian Shaw >Tim Blake >Alan Davey >Richard Chadwick >Harvey Bainbridge >Jerry Richards >Captain Black Terry Ollis looked very impressive at the Hawkwestra, I thought. And Paul Rudolph may not have fitted into Hawkwind as a bassist but he's a superb guitarist, indeed on a technical level he's probably a better musician than any of the above, possible exception of Simon House. Other than that, I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said. -- Nick Medford From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Sat Oct 13 16:54:28 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:54:28 -0400 Subject: Off: Faust at the RFH Message-ID: I saw Faust for the first time at the Royal Festival Hall last night as part of the Mind your Head season. Hawkwind are my favourite band but this was definitely the best concert out of the three so far despite the small crowd attendance and a nasty looking fight that erupted in the darkness during the second song. Faust didn't have much of a sophisticated lightshow, just a few coloured lights around the band and a big clock face in the middle that fell away to reveal a revolving cement mixer during one of the songs. The music was intense. I counted 9 musicians on stage playing guitars, bass guitars, double basses, synthesisers, a highly distorted organ, chains, all kinds of rusty metal things, hammers against metal sheets, grinders with sparks flying all over the place, weird vocal noises and tapes. At one point some kind of incendiary device went off with a very loud crack that blinded me for a split second. Most of the songs were structured experimental industrial noise with a repetitive and hypnotic underlying drum beat, evil sounding bass and wailing distorted guitar and they just went on and on for ages getting more and more intense. One song consisted of very distorted feedback with no rythmns at all, a flashing strobe light and about 5 members of the band walking up and down the gangways around the audience with megaphones shouting out something about a radio so that you could hear the sound from multiple directions. Two other guys came on for the last song and twiddled some knobs for a kind of techno/Krautrock hybrid that was totally awesome. Unfortunately that was meant to be their last tour which is a great pity, but at least I finally got to see them live. Alastair. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Oct 13 17:24:04 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:24:04 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 10/6 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 10/6/01 (5--9:45pm) 1.Cookin' w/Kurt-- "Soup du Jour" (ST'd; Innerspace Records) 2.Gong-- "A Sprinkling of Clouds" (You; Virgin/Charisma) 3.Orion Starbirth-- "Celestial Starbirth" 4.Sub Oslo-- "Celestial Dub" (Dubs in the Key of Life; Two Ohm Hop Records) 5.Loop Guru-- "Bulbul" (Loop Bites Dog; World Domination Records) 6.Ozric Tentacles-- "Wreltch" (Pungent Effulgent; Dovetail Records) 7.Anubian Lights-- "Walking Eagle (Rare/Remix CD-R) 8.Pressurehed-- "Beyond the Pale Mirrors" (Infadrone; Cleopatra Records) 9.Spacious Mind-- "Dnimehts of Us" (Cosmic Minds at Play; Garageland Records) 10.Shay-- "You Make Me Strange" (Dreamers and Stalkers; thanks to Shay) 11.Underground Zero-- "Canes Venetici" (Hawkwind Friends/Relations; Flicknife) 12.Hawkwind-- "Down Through the Night/The Awakening" (Space Ritual; EMI) 13.Mouse on Mars-- "Rompatroulie" (Instrumentals; Thrill Jockey Records) 14.Voco Kesh-- "Number 31" (Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil Records) 15.Vortex Navigation Company-- "The Welcoming River" (Serotonin Ronin II comp; Camera Obscura Records) 16.Doldrums-- "Left In an Airport Giftshop pt. 1" (Feng Shui; VHF Records) 17.Cul de Sac-- "Utopia Parkway" (China Gate; Thirsty Ear Records) 18.Krom Lek-- "I No Longer Think This Way" (A Breath of Fresh Air; Stone Premonitions Records) 19.Agitation Free-- "Laila II" (Last; Spalax Records) 20.Can-- "TV Spot/Doko E" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon Records) 21.Amon Duul 2-- "Deutsch Nepal" (Utopia/Best of '69-'74; Purple Pyramid) 22.Kraftwerk-- "Ananas Symphonie" (Ralf und Florian; Germanafon) 23.Farflung-- "Helianthus (The Raven that Ate the Moon; Flipside Records) 24.Hawkwind-- "High Rise"/"Spirit of the Age" (Anthology; Castle Communications) 25.Chrome-- "Zombie Warfare" (Half Machine Lip Moves; Touch and Go Records) 26.Helios Creed-- "Master Blaster/Sunspots" (Boxing the Clown; Amphetamine Reptile Records) 27.Tangle Edge-- "DXUI" (Turn Century Turn comp; Mother West Records) 28.Thumbtack Smoothie-- "Jive Classification Request"(Electrickitchentableland; Manic Obsessive Records) 29.Frank Zappa-- "The Purple Lagoon" (In New York; Rycodisc) 30.Mirza-- "These are Our Last Days" (Anadromous; Darla Records) see yas tonight, Chuck From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Oct 13 21:37:26 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 02:37:26 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: Hello there :-) I have to admitt that from time to time I suffer from verbal diahreah so I'll make this country simple. If the people/person who owns the domain name hawklord.com transfers the ownership of that domain to me I will take full leagal responsibility for that domain name. All I want is full ftp access to hawkwind.com (I need that, I will not use it) If you put any porn there I will remove it. If you libel there I remove libel. If you have mp3's there without express permission etc. I remove them. I remove ANY political/religious content (maybe ;-}) Basickly I let you do what you want. I promise NEVER to upload ANYTHING. (I am not a censor I am a friend) You keep ALL your access I will do NOTHING except take full leagal responsibility for your actions. FREEDOM IS EVERYTHING I will die for your freedom gladly. I am FUCKING SERIOUS!!!! I am so pissed off with pissy domain name arguments... Cyber sitters are scum, they should be sent to the desert and left to die. You people are just you. FREE SPEACH!!! I Will defend you to my last breath (for fucks sake if you loose what hope has the free software movement? anyone with money will shit on anyone without money. The Internet is FREEDOM KEEP IT THAT WAY PLEASE THE INTERNET IS THE ONLY FREEDOM THERE IS FOR MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD YOU LOT SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!!!!) Leagal presidents are just that (some poor sap in the 70's pleaded guilty to making a preperation from psylocybin mushrooms when in fact all he did was dry them.... Now anyone with mushrooms risks getting done for class A drug) I will marter myself... actually I won't because in this case I know I win. I don't want to damage Hawkwind (Hawkwind is my religion) I don't want to piss off Brock I don't care if I piss Brock off (he has upset enough people and I'm not thinking of musicians or anyone connected with music) WAKE UP!!!!! ITS NOT JUST YOU THAT WILL SUFFER Chris verbal diahorea follows.... (still fighting after the 27th, I went a bit too renagade... I've no idea where I can buy vynal... cd quality sucks I WILL NEVER PAY > ?2 FOR A CD) I could make an exception for NIK or Bob but I will never buy a comercial cd EVER not even official Hawkwind... well maybe if thats the only way... I hate the music industry YES I love Hawkwind I love freedom I love linux I hate microsoft I hate the city I love the mountain I live on a mountain In isolaton with 4 dogs 1 cat I do stuff with horses I live on ?40 a week I am as rich as I want to be I'm richer than ANY city dweller I am isolated I don't know what happens Are there free festivals any more? Blood greetings to the convoy What happend to hippy valley (or whatever it was called) Teepee village? I know I am near it but I never hear of it anymore. I remember Argyll St, Norwich... I fought there for ya but we lost I fight here for ya and we'll win! I'm older and bolder! SHIT, I'm doing it... Your just dreaming it. (you know who you are) -- INSERT -- 95,1 Bot Enjoy the tour;-) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Oct 13 22:25:36 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:25:36 -0400 Subject: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: <3BC8EC56.8C917A92@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, root wrote: => I have to admitt that from time to time I suffer from verbal diahreah so [[Wide-ranging free-form rant omitted.]] I think I preferred this when I heard it the first time as "The Pips" on _North Circular_... ;-) (Perhaps you could submit it to Nick as a potential sequel?:) Cheers, Paul. obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) PS: I agree 100% about Microsoft though. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 13 23:39:26 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:39:26 -0600 Subject: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: <3BC8EC56.8C917A92@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Dear Root, since I am still lingering, and I suffer from 'overpost', I'll take this oportunity to clear up my own worries- in my minds imaginary realm, my posting Venom's "control freak" lyrics were PRO Brock I have no bitch with Nik, that is for HW to do if needed, and he has a bed here and knows where it is- I just like Hawkwind as Brocks version myself Love Nik's music, hope he makes some new tunes- DO consider him a major Hawkwind member, whether in exile or not.......just can't get away from that Doremi "Brainstorm"....oh my god......that is MY favorite on that LP...although Lord of Light is about equal .....either and or.....(it's NOT Space Is Deep for me) OK, my motorbreath aside---- the Hawkwind domain problem appears to be solved and it looks like we have moved beyond In TYPICAL HAWKWIND CHAOTIC fashion (sorry for yelling) ....the official site webmaster (Rik Rx) snuck on to tell us to point our browser to WWW.HAWKWIND.INFO...... pretty slick and thats that mike c From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 13 23:02:05 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:02:05 +0100 Subject: Judge Trev Command Message-ID: Yes, 1 and 2 very good They sound like jack benny jt R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Judge Trev Command > I have to report, these things > > 1) Judge Trev is my favorite musician next to Dave Brock (and all the cool > Hawk men, like Huw, Ali, 2 stoned, Hi-T, etc.), no matter if his hips > wiggle when he plays) (Nik too, of course, just wish he'd settle the > dustdevil) > > 2) The Bajina CD will leave smoke trailing out of your ears- it is a MUST HAVE > the sound effects break new ground on here- you will LOVE the static > rumble (I won't even tell you about the sound effects), and Ron Tree kicks > serious "ass" as always/// > > this one will kill you, if you don't buy it today, then you are either a > fool or you need a loan....... > > > and speaking of static max effects and storm clouds > > the mighty rath of "whatever" conjured up the most wicked storm with > tornadoes all around in SUCH OBVIOUS RESPONSE to my neighbors attempting to > stop me from rediscovering Judas Priest "Point Of Entry" music (with a nice > police LADY, asking if I'd lower levels, with a warm inviting smile, I must > add) that I told my mom, "don't fear mom, take joy, it's God, avenging > those neighbors"..and she had to agree > > The Alan Parsons "ammonia avenue" old cassette that I dug out (and put in > to change modem dial tone) turned on, then stopped as the power went out > (when I went and told mom) then came on as I returned to the music room > > The gods on high did settle to the appeasing vibes and maintain a low > rumbling alliance of spiritual assurance throughout the night (keeping a > threatening weirdness unlike those OTHER storms of months previous) > > I'd swear I have a link to the other side of the sky > > it's all in what you play and how you play it > > shhhhh don't tell.... > > m > From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Oct 13 23:06:09 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:06:09 +0200 Subject: OFF/HW: Reptilian Reviews: Chronicle of The Black Sord Message-ID: Go to http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/charlieyga.html for a recently updated musical review section, also containing live reviews and an article on comic books with magickal content or significance. The CD's and 7"'s reviewed are: V.A. : "Alpha Motherfuckers" - A Tribute To Turbonegro Hawkwind - "Chronicle of The Black Sword" Suicide - Suicide Voivod - Killing Technology Inner City Unit - Passout: The 360 Degree Psycho Deliria Sound The Damned - The Black Album Third World War - Third World War The 13th Floor Elevators - Easter Everywhere Entombed/New Bomb Turks split 7" - Night of The Vampire/I Hate People Extract from from review section...: Hawkwind - "Chronicle of The Black Sword" (Flicknife1985, SHARP033) Being the first Hawkwind album I ever bought, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" proved it was only a matter of time before the undisputed Kings of Spacerock and British underground institution, the trusty crew of Star Rats led by Baron Dave Brock himself, the mighty Hawkwind, would release a concept album based on long time collaborator Michael Moorcock's mythological fantasy hero cycle, starring the apocalypse junkie warrior Elric of Melnibone and his soul drinking black sword Stormbringer. Having yet again teamed up with bassist Alan Davey (Al Chemical), drummer Danny Thompson (D.T. Turbine), guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton (Rocky Paths) and synthmeister Harvey Bainbridge (Black Earl Brainbox), this 80s classic lineup of Hawkwind also went on to do several successful theatrical live performances of the material at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1985 and 86 which was celebrated in the form of a video and a following double live album, "Live Chronicles". Kicking off with "Song of The Swords", a rocking Brock heavy metal tune with a snarling and challenging vocal line, "Chronicle of The Black Sword" is qute a varied effort as shown with the next track, Bainbridge's "Shade Gate", a gently soothing and rhythmic ambient piece of psychedelia, followed by a characteristic Langton piece, "Sea King". Overall, the album is a great mix of varied lyrical and musical material, with the classic live hit "Needle Gun" sounding something like a souped up, evil sounding ZZ Top! "Elric" is an excellent rock number poetically chronicling the central character, "Zarozinia" a distant, drifting psychedelic ballad of Elric's magickally sleeping lover-cousin, and "Arioch" is a ripping piece of acid drenched instrumental speed metal summoning the diety and Lord of Chaos himself. Other tracks like "Chaos Army" and "The Demise" are more atmospheric and theatrical pieces chronicling the onmarching horror hordes of the forces of Chaos and Elric's sacrifice to Arioch. "Sleep of A 1000 Tears" is a Moorcock co-penned classic Hawkwind styled driving psychedelic rock number. The original Flicknife version of the CD came with an excellent live version of the classic "Assault & Battery", something of a biker anthem off 1975's classic "Warrior on The Edge of Time" LP. Overall, with "Chronicle of The Black Sword", Hawkwind had proven that "concept" wasn't dead afterall in the UK underground scene of the mid-80s, and that heavy metal could survive just as well along with it. Otherwise, as usual the Hawkwind Electric Library is up at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html , containing rare Hawkwind related graphics from classic underground newspapers, paperbacks and comic books. One may also pay the main section, A Disease of The Mind, a collection gallery of rare pulp paperback covers, obscure comics and strange toys, a visit. Finally, The Blasphemers of Sodom Present Scenes of Black Sorcery page is also to be found at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/tubrok.html , chronicling the violent and true tale of a Warrior Dragon Head's alien trek through the Apocalypse and beyond. Horrorists beware; it contains authentic lust, death, magick and horror... Chr. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Oct 13 23:31:44 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:31:44 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Hi ya, I think I understand. You want to study Eastern music! Westen music is hung up with the octave... 8 notes with semi tones and thats what you get stuck with. Eastern music is quite different. A sitar has moveable frets... you slide the frets up and down to get different tunings. Music is aural not written The bass strings on a sitar are for meditation only Chienese music has 5 notes per octave (sorry I'm hung up on western terminology) not 8 Its the notes between the notes you can get in eastern music that are impossible in western. Chris From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Oct 13 23:32:22 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:32:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles Message-ID: Hi Gosh! Great email thank you... Perhaps you should read "In search of the miraculas" by P Oudspensky Sorry about my spelling if its way off scream at me and I'll bother to find my copy and spell it properly. Um... Not certain what you were talking about if there is a graphic to go with what you talk about is there any chance you scan it for us? Chris Its all pythagorean! From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Oct 13 23:33:10 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:33:10 +0100 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: "f. rat" wrote: > > like where you get name root - like i reck i got sum claim to copyright > hwever i think you probly nice sensible guy - so i guess i let you off > wid it dis time like - b4 i get to hawk liost and reclaim nuclear warp > capability CRAFT YOU MUTHAQ!!!!!! Yo, Sorry my mailer is Netscape... something to do with this newsgroup is not good for Netscape so my name gets changed to my local login name on this pc Now it is bad that I always log in as root (I am linux NOT microslop) because that is BIG security hole and means you lot out there can try to access my box when I am logged onto internet But I know the holes and doubt you can hurt me Until I can be bothered to sort out my mailer Im going to be root... One day I hit it with big hammer! Chris From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 00:06:03 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:06:03 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: Hi ya, www.hawkwind.info EXCELLENT we are all happy now! e-mail overload! picked so much yesterday in the most beautiful field with 20+ shetland ponies in it that I started buzzing without eating any! I just love this time of year and Hawkwind are finally coming to Cardiff and I know the date! Before it happens! Oh joy > > obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't > know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by > real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) > Hmm, never actually tried that one, guess I should have my guess is it will run all GNU stuff? What chances tv card, mpeg card, voodoo card etc? What I'd really like to try is the hurd (GNU) kernel, but I think my poor 133Mhz box won't cope. Thing about a kernel is it needs to be stable and support everything, what is bsd like about cryptography? what I like about linux is fact that I can have strong encryption on virtual file system. So I keep my ~/.netscape and ~/nsmail directories on encrypted virtual file system and nobody not the cia fbi mi5 mi6 or anyone else can access those places. If G. Glitter had done that he would not have gotten busted! (I don't suppot paedophilia but I do support privacy) freedom through knowledge! Chris From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 00:17:58 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:17:58 +0100 Subject: HW: doremi Message-ID: Hi ya, A spy told me that Doremi Fasol Latido has been re-mixed and re-released The story goes (as I heard it from spy) that this was the first album Hawkwind produced themselves. Since they (Brock?) were blasted on acid at the time they kinda screwed the sound up a bit hence the desire for a re-mix. If there is any truth to this, and I can't verify anything, is there a good reason to get the re-mix? How big a difference is there? Chris From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 04:48:37 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:48:37 +0100 Subject: Huw rejoins In-Reply-To: <20011013174821.A11770@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Each to their own of course. Years back, a friend of mine and myself cycled 30 miles on the crudiest bikes you ever saw to a HW gig in Ramsgate (or was it Margate?). We got there mid afternoon just as HW were doing their soundcheck - the only thing I remember from that was the amazing raw and crunching version of WFT they did - a total transformation from the stodge on CYM. That's the great thing about the CYM album. The studio versions sound pretty mushy but live, they are a different beast. You can't compare WFT and SMG - totally different structures and styles. Anyway, it was a great gig, the only time I saw Calvert but I got sand in my camera and the pics never came out. But of course, Huw never contributed anything - just things like the signature solos on Motorway City or Dust of Time or tracks like Rocky Paths or Moonglum or Dreaming City or Waiting For Tomorrow - not much, nah! (insert smilie here). Rambling Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > Sent: 13 October 2001 17:48 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:34:02PM +0100, Kevin Perry wrote: > > Huh? > > > > Listen to Solitary Mind Games, Dreaming City, Waiting For > Tomorrow, Moonglum > > and Sword of the East (a random selection off the top of my > head) and then > > tell me they all sound the same. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stuckey, Robert" > > Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > > > > > > Couldn't agree more, with the possible exception of Motorway City, > > > everything else Huw did was bollocks, especially the > Chronicles stuff > > > ...dull, dull, dull...he made all the tracks he played on sound > > > the same!!!! > > Well, if we leave out `Sword of the East' we get left mostly with > the tracks he wrote except `Tides' (which I rather like) and I'd say > `Moonglum' is the only one that doesn't sound like it came off a > production line myself. I find it very hard to tell `Solitary Mind Games' > and `Waiting for Tomorrow' apart until they get to the chorus. I still > like them mind but I don't think they're exactly varied. Yours, > Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian > Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people > Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) > From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 04:48:38 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:48:38 +0100 Subject: (OFF) afterthought and confusion In-Reply-To: <20011013180640.E11770@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Was there ever an alternate version of Free Fall? Mark > On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 03:15:57PM -0500, Tom Clark wrote: > > Why then don't you post stuff like that in a forum deadicated to people > > who enjoy disseminating gruesome shit..... > > > > What do mutilated bodies have to do with Hawkwind anyway?....uhhh > > ohyeah....except for the song High Rise............. > > And `Star Cannibal', `Blue Skin', `Reptoid Vision', anything at > all featuring Elric... Yours, > Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 14 04:57:29 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:57:29 +0100 Subject: Huw rejoins Message-ID: I think you may have misread my sarcasm - the tracks I listed all sound very, very different. --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > Each to their own of course. Years back, a friend of mine and myself cycled > 30 miles on the crudiest bikes you ever saw to a HW gig in Ramsgate (or was > it Margate?). We got there mid afternoon just as HW were doing their > soundcheck - the only thing I remember from that was the amazing raw and > crunching version of WFT they did - a total transformation from the stodge > on CYM. That's the great thing about the CYM album. The studio versions > sound pretty mushy but live, they are a different beast. You can't compare > WFT and SMG - totally different structures and styles. Anyway, it was a > great gig, the only time I saw Calvert but I got sand in my camera and the > pics never came out. > > But of course, Huw never contributed anything - just things like the > signature solos on Motorway City or Dust of Time or tracks like Rocky Paths > or Moonglum or Dreaming City or Waiting For Tomorrow - not much, nah! > (insert smilie here). > > Rambling Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > > Sent: 13 October 2001 17:48 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 01:34:02PM +0100, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > Huh? > > > > > > Listen to Solitary Mind Games, Dreaming City, Waiting For > > Tomorrow, Moonglum > > > and Sword of the East (a random selection off the top of my > > head) and then > > > tell me they all sound the same. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stuckey, Robert" > > > Subject: Re: Huw rejoins > > > > > > > > Couldn't agree more, with the possible exception of Motorway City, > > > > everything else Huw did was bollocks, especially the > > Chronicles stuff > > > > ...dull, dull, dull...he made all the tracks he played on sound > > > > the same!!!! > > > > Well, if we leave out `Sword of the East' we get left mostly with > > the tracks he wrote except `Tides' (which I rather like) and I'd say > > `Moonglum' is the only one that doesn't sound like it came off a > > production line myself. I find it very hard to tell `Solitary Mind Games' > > and `Waiting for Tomorrow' apart until they get to the chorus. I still > > like them mind but I don't think they're exactly varied. Yours, > > Jonathan > > > > -- > > Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian > > Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people > > Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) > > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sun Oct 14 05:56:33 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:56:33 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:25 -0400 13.10.2001, Paul Mather wrote: >obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't >know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by >real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) ObFlameWarFanning: Like OS X :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Pride & Glory, _Pride & Glory_. From MHENSON305 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 14 06:25:42 2001 From: MHENSON305 at AOL.COM (Mark Henson) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:25:42 EDT Subject: Hawkwind/Gong ticket Nottingham Message-ID: Hi Spayce people, I have one ticket for the gig @ Nottingham Rock City on 7//11/2001 for sale for ?12. If ya want it e-mail me. Dub Lord Out ! Mark Henson (Pagan Dub Lord) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 08:23:31 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:23:31 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: > At 22:25 -0400 13.10.2001, Paul Mather wrote: > >obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't > >know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by > >real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) > > ObFlameWarFanning: Like OS X :) > Real tech-heads use BBC Micros... :-) Cheers, Rich. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 14 08:25:24 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:25:24 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: I always get confused between BSD and BDSM, which makes work interesting sometimes :-) --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Final words from Thorasin > > At 22:25 -0400 13.10.2001, Paul Mather wrote: > > >obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't > > >know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by > > >real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) > > > > ObFlameWarFanning: Like OS X :) > > > > Real tech-heads use BBC Micros... > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun Oct 14 10:32:52 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:32:52 -0400 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" > At 22:25 -0400 13.10.2001, Paul Mather wrote: > >obOSFlameWarKindling: Linux is for poseurs attracted by hype who don't > >know any better. When you're ready for an operating system developed by > >real hackers, give *BSD a try... >;-) > > ObFlameWarFanning: Like OS X :) Let's not forget QNX :) Jerry From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 14 11:36:02 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:36:02 -0400 Subject: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: <3BC90F2B.87A47D7A@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, root wrote: => Hmm, never actually tried that one, guess I should have my guess is it => will run all GNU stuff? What chances tv card, mpeg card, voodoo card => etc? I dunno, but I expect so. I mostly use computers that other people are getting rid of (e.g., DEC 3000/300, RS/6000 Model 7006, some 486s, and a Pentium 75), and the ones I use daily are not i86-based (and so can't run Microsoft products), so cutting-edge hardware support is not much of an issue with me. Support for decrepit and obscure hardware: now that's a problem! (Linux support for the DEC 3000 series was abysmal last time I looked, unlike NetBSD's.) The Linux camp are Johnny-Come-Latelies when it comes to cross-platform support. If you want to get serious about multi-platform support, take a gander at the list of NetBSD ports (www.netbsd.org). Of course, because Linux grabs the headlines (because they essentially "got there first" on i86), all the big corporations have thrown their weight behind it. C'est la guerre! => What I'd really like to try is the hurd (GNU) kernel, but I think my => poor 133Mhz box won't cope. Last time I ran a microkernel it was on an i286 and it was called Minix. (IMHO, Hurd is a day late and a dollar short. It's a bit of a joke now.) => Thing about a kernel is it needs to be stable and support everything, Plus, it needs to run on your hardware. ;-) (NetBSD will run on both your and my hardware, but Linux will only run on yours. I guess that makes Linux better because it's more exclusive...;) => what is bsd like about cryptography? what I like about linux is fact => that I can have strong encryption on virtual file system. So I keep my Well, OpenSSH (the crypto subsystem used by most free OSes and applications) is actually maintained and developed by the OpenBSD people, who are pro-active about security ("four years without a remote hole in the default install" runs their slogan). See www.openbsd.org for details. (CFS [Cryptographic File System] is available under all the BSD's, last I looked.) => ~/.netscape and ~/nsmail directories on encrypted virtual file system => and nobody not the cia fbi mi5 mi6 or anyone else can access those => places. If G. Glitter had done that he would not have gotten busted! => (I don't suppot paedophilia but I do support privacy) Let's hope you're not running one of those crypto implementations that have the entropy-gathering bug that makes the keys trivially easy to break... BTW, despite appearances to the contrary, I am not anti-Linux (just immune to the hype). For the record, my Linux distribution of choice is tomsrtbt, but that's mainly because I can carry it around in my pocket... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 14 12:02:38 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:02:38 -0400 Subject: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Paul Mather wrote: => On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, root wrote: => => => Hmm, never actually tried that one, guess I should have my guess is it => => will run all GNU stuff? What chances tv card, mpeg card, voodoo card => => etc? => => I dunno, but I expect so. I mostly use computers that other people are => getting rid of (e.g., DEC 3000/300, RS/6000 Model 7006, some 486s, and a => Pentium 75), and the ones I use daily are not i86-based (and so can't [[Blah blah.]] Dang! I thought I'd sent that just to "root" but it's ended up here. :-( BTW, I chuckled at the BSD/BDSM post; I'll have to remember that one. And the observation about BBC Micros is spot on! Vive la BBC! Cheers, Paul. PS: Will check caffeine intake before posting next time... e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Oct 14 12:22:26 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:22:26 -0400 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:31:44 +0100, root wrote: >Its the notes between the notes you can get in eastern music that are >impossible in western. > >Chris -------------------------- It's been said before, by whom I know not, that one aspect of Hawkwind is an attempt to produce the narrow tonal intervals of eastern (arabic?) music in a western style. If I recall the thesis correctly, this is best seen in the 3-chord run that Dave Brock uses a lot. The one that forms the basis of Magnu, Levitation, and Robot.... From nycademon at HOME.COM Sun Oct 14 12:51:03 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:51:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: RE: Final words from Thorasin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul sez (to the list, inadvertantly, because of caffeine imbalance)-- >The Linux camp are Johnny-Come-Latelies >when it comes to cross-platform support. If you want to get serious >about multi-platform support, take a gander at the list of NetBSD ports >(www.netbsd.org). But I don't want to get serious about multi platform support (although having Linux on our Sun workstation rather than Solaris would be nice). I like my Pentium III 600MHz at work, and my Pentium III 1GHz at home, and I'm very happy with Red Hat. Maybe that makes me a "poseur attracted by hype who doesn't know any better". So it goes. Hi Ho. >BTW, despite appearances to the contrary, I am not anti-Linux (just >immune to the hype). For the record, my Linux distribution of choice is >tomsrtbt, but that's mainly because I can carry it around in my >pocket... Now that's a comment with which I can identify! If I had a dollar for every time tomsrtbt saved my computing butt . . . :-) Guido From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Oct 14 12:46:11 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:46:11 -0400 Subject: Ultima Thule *IS* Wind of Change Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 17:52:59 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > The melody line from `Ultima Thule Teil 2' crops up again during >`Fauni Gema' on _Atem_, I think, but I don't hear `Wind of Change' in it >myself. It's not a particularly difficult chord sequence to replicate, I >guess. But I think I know the bit on the end of `Alpha Centauri' that you >mean and *that* I can see a similarity to `Wind of Change' in. I'm still >not convinced it has to be a lift though; it's a fairly basic progression, >surely, albeit used to great effect here by Mr Brock? Yours, > Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, it is another one that is used a lot by HW. Same basic chord progression (if you forgive the odd minor, rather than major, chord here and there, and the key in which it is set) is also in 7 By 7 and Lord of Light. It's not as prevalent as the "Magnu" chord progression, but IMHO this is one of the things about HW that I most enjoy....the re-use of a familiar riff in a completely different way, to create something new and different. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 15:00:08 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:00:08 +0100 Subject: OFF Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: Hi ya, > > Real tech-heads use BBC Micros... > > :-) Or bbc emulator or spectrum emulator or acorn emulator etc. Ever seen a spectrum, a bbc master, a mac and a super Nintendo all running (very slowly !) in the same X session? Now just where did I leave my pdp 11? -- CAABA, n. A large stone presented by the archangel Gabriel to the patriarch Abraham, and preserved at Mecca. The patriarch had perhaps asked the archangel for bread. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 15:00:46 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:00:46 +0100 Subject: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: Hi ya, "f. rat" wrote: > > what if u sore this? how respond??!! MUTHAQ: defined. > Don't understand MUTHAQ > > try it muthaq! (f rat) OUTCH!!! I think I understand... a very important word is missing from my e-mail!!! I meant to say I do _NOT_ support paedeophilia. I do support privacy The _NOT_ is REALLY important Sorry if it was missing from the original it was not a Freudian slip just an honest mistake. I make mistakes I just hope and pray everyone realises this was a mistake. I appologise unreservedly for any confusion or misunderstanding I've caused. What is MUTHAQ? I'm supprised I've not been flamed over that one Chris -- CAABA, n. A large stone presented by the archangel Gabriel to the patriarch Abraham, and preserved at Mecca. The patriarch had perhaps asked the archangel for bread. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 15:01:05 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:01:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Final words from Thorasin Message-ID: Hi ya, > Of course, because Linux grabs the headlines (because they essentially > "got there first" on i86), all the big corporations have thrown their > weight behind it. C'est la guerre! Its also got all the users / developers I used to have Microsoft/linux/OS2 all on the same box I dumped Microsoft the week wincrap98 came out... it SUCKS! I dumped OS2 a month later, though I loved it the software ain't there, now there is enougth linux stuff to keep me happy for my next 23 re-incarnations! > > => What I'd really like to try is the hurd (GNU) kernel, but I think my > => poor 133Mhz box won't cope. > > Last time I ran a microkernel it was on an i286 and it was called Minix. > (IMHO, Hurd is a day late and a dollar short. It's a bit of a joke > now.) Its an accademics OS. Linux is theoretically not the best design for modern Operating System but its VERY stable HURD is theoreticlly a good design but it took SO long to make stable (10+ years) MINIX sucks its just for 286s IMHO > > (NetBSD will run on both your and my hardware, but Linux will only run > on yours. I guess that makes Linux better because it's more > exclusive...;) > Linux will support most modern architectures i386, spark, Alpha, sun, Siicon Graphics etc. Linux will never support old architectures like i286.. I'm supprised BSD has such backward compatibility. > > Let's hope you're not running one of those crypto implementations that > have the entropy-gathering bug that makes the keys trivially easy to > break... > The kernel (if you get the patches... its illeagal to distribute kernel source with cryptography included, you must get a patch an apply it to kernel source... damnd Americans!) supports most strong encryption standards and you can even mix them to get multiple layers of encryption!!! Personally I just use serpent (256 bit encryption) I'm not an expert on cryptography its a DEEP and BIG subject! Since everything is open source here I leave it to the experts to examine the code and make it good:- believe me they do! I recommend you have a 2.4.n kernel because crypto support in 2.2.n kernels is nowhere near as good. I'm impressed... I've not looked at BSD for a couple of years... sounds like its maturing nicely... we need good competition! Chris -- CAABA, n. A large stone presented by the archangel Gabriel to the patriarch Abraham, and preserved at Mecca. The patriarch had perhaps asked the archangel for bread. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 16:24:10 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:24:10 +0100 Subject: HW: The key components Message-ID: All this discussion of who did what, for how long, and how much, in Hawkwind reminded me of when I recruited some new converts in the late seventies with the hook "you'll like them: imagine the first Motorhead LP (Motorhead) and Phaedra by Tangerine Dream played at the same time". Which more or less, for me anyway, sums up Doremi and Space Ritual: the threesome of Brock/King/Lemmy basically is the band - the rest being add-ons(good though they may be). With this in mind I've cast me critical eye over Hawk-history. Hawkwind - Hawkwind I love this one - completely unlike anything they recorded later. Obviously Hurry on Sundown and Mirror of Illusion are the more structured (Brock) compositions the rest being looser. The solo on Mirror is it Huw or Dick Taylor? I note on the re-master the compositions are now credited Brock-Hawkwind. In Search of Space This one seems a real group affair. Dave A drives it along nicely on bass (hi Doug P!!). Can't really fault this at all although Terry's drumming isn't strong enough. Dave B, Nik, Del, and DikMik all are credited as either having a go at audio generator or synth. One of them could have done it easily (Dave certainly did later). I love all the bubbling synths - so much I went out and bought one. However, in saying that (and I'm now about to duck for cover here) Del and Dikmik weren't actually that good - tune into what Tim Blake was doing with Gong in 72 onwards and you'll hear the difference. Doremi/Space Ritual/Silver Machine Ah ha - the thruster motors engage. In come Lemmy and Simon King. The core unit of the band: Brock/King/Lemmy (you can hear an embryonic Motorhead here). Bob adds some tunes/inspiration as does Nik - both are certainly catalysts. Nik's instrumental input dropping away here - especially in SR where it just become background noise. Del and Dikmik - again I love the synths, but, well anyone could do it. Urban Guerilla/Capt Lockheed Bob at the forefront on UG and CL should be considered a HW LP - what would things have ben like if Bob had stayed on board. Hall Of The Mountain Grill/Warrior on the Edge Of Time The arrival of Simon House!!! This line-up shockingly under-recorded. Half of HotMG is studio - incidently where is the rest of the gig that You'd Better Believe It etc. were recorded at - release it now! Both LPs stunning but, for me, HotMG is the better one, Nik Turner delivers a belter: D-Rider. Superb. Nik again on form on Warrior and I prefer him doing the poetry then MM. Real solid band efforts these with the classic nucleus:Brock/Turner/King/Lemmy/House. Is Opa-Loka a deliberate lift from Neu's Hallo Gallo OWN GOAL #1 Lemmy gets the boot ASAM Gets better with age this. Doesn't feel like a band though more like a collection of individual concepts. Nik gets the bullet - but goes on to release Xitintoday. Pretty essential, produced by and played on by Steve Hillage and featuring Tim Blake. I spent a long time growing my hair, wearing woolly hats, and playing guitar - so the whole thing s pretty spiffing. Quark/PXR5 Ah ha #2. Side 1 of Quark is probably the best bit of studio Hawkwind; side 2 pretty perky too! Brock/Calvert/King/House/Shaw Ade Shaw - I spent a long time in the eighties wishing he'd rejoin. Where is the rest of the show that the live material on PXR5 was culled from. Get that released! Who needs Glastonbury 90 if this is in the vaults!! Hawklords I realy like this one - for me though it has never sounded like Hawkwind. A damn fine side project. Live 79/Levitation Own Goal#2 Simon King leaves or booted out. Drum the stool is not adequately filled until the arrival of Richard Chadwick. Huw is on scorching form. Harvey is adequate but not inspiring. Tim Blake superb. Sonic Attack/Masques/Church Some flashes of brilliance: Angels of Death etc. The studio material is just a shadow of the live performance!! Note: a whole lot of bands/artists who were fantastic in the seventies seemed to hit a fallow period in the early eightis. Rumours persist of the return of Bob,Nik etc. Lemmy and Dave patch it up. A pity that the execution does not meet the expectation. Flicknife release things by the bucketload - there are few pearls here. Nik rejoins but the fabled Earth Ritual only half materialises. Black Sword/Chronicles Alan Davey arrives. I've got mixed feelings - he's so influenced by Lemmy there was a danger of the band turning into a Lemmy-era Hawkwind tribute band. He can be a great player - but please please be yourself!!Not Lemmy. The stand-out performance from this period is Huw. Huw, Harvey gradually move on - the studio ouput drops in quality towards the end of the eighties. Simon rejoins but tragically barely makes it onto recorded work. The nineties sees the Brock/Davey/Chadwick nucleus...with occasional add-ons (the less said.....) Electric Tepee is a stand-out release. Brilliant. Ron Tree arrives ah ha #3 the Alien LP, tour. live lp, awesome return to form. Own goal #3 Distant Horizons ....why? In your area...why? And now it's 2001. There's a tour, there's a line-up (what a line-up)...can Dave get it into the studio to produce the goods? I think that this probably the best line-up with the best potential that the band have ever had - don't blow it! Dave From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 15:25:32 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (root) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:25:32 +0100 Subject: Hw: Please check my e-mail Message-ID: Hi ya. Someone called f.rat is misrepresenting my views He is forging my e-mail My message to f.rat is as follows.... OI Bastard, I'll sue you.... I have checked my sent e-mail. I wrote " ~/.netscape and ~/nsmail directories on encrypted virtual file system and nobody not the cia fbi mi5 mi6 or anyone else can access those places. If G. Glitter had done that he would not have gotten busted! (I don't suppot paedophilia but I do support privacy) freedom through knowledge! " Check my e-mail!!! Do not misrepresent me again. You have now sent out two e-mails distorting my views If you persist I will find you and take leagal action against you. I expect an apology. Chris From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 15:46:47 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:46:47 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <200110141622.MAA03638@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Not sure I subscribe to that myself. I agree about the common chord sequences used in a lot of songs but narrow tonal intervals ? I'll bet the Hawks would have got a muted response if they had played Silver Machine in a quarter tone scale - interesting thought though! Anyway, fact is that unless you want to reinvent the electric guitar, you're stuck with semi-tones and surely the obvious harmonic root of all Hawkwind is "blues", not Eastern? - just think of Dave's busking songs. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Moonglum . > Sent: 14 October 2001 17:22 > Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > It's been said before, by whom I know not, that one aspect of Hawkwind is > an attempt to produce the narrow tonal intervals of eastern > (arabic?) music > in a western style. If I recall the thesis correctly, this is > best seen in > the 3-chord run that Dave Brock uses a lot. The one that forms the basis > of Magnu, Levitation, and Robot.... > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 14 15:53:46 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 15:53:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:56:46 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e at default>, dave hall > writes >>1. there are those who are talented - and there are the rest. The >>talented are: >>Dave Brock >>Huw Lloyd Langton >>Simon King >>Lemmy >>Simon House >>Bob Calvert >>Adrian Shaw >>Tim Blake >>Alan Davey >>Richard Chadwick >>Harvey Bainbridge >>Jerry Richards >>Captain Black > >Terry Ollis looked very impressive at the Hawkwestra, I thought. And Paul >Rudolph may not have fitted into Hawkwind as a bassist but he's a superb >guitarist, indeed on a technical level he's probably a better musician than >any of the above, possible exception of Simon House. > >Other than that, I found myself agreeing with pretty much everything you >said. I'd also have a tough time leaving off Dave Anderson ('Yeti'!!!), DikMik, Steve Swindells and Ron Tree. However, there is a MAJOR, EGREGIOUS, OUTRAGEOUS omission from this list (that I already pointed out to Dave Hall). HINT: Alan Davey : Lemmy Richard Chadwick : Simon King Ron Tree : Robert Calvert Jez Huggett : Nik Turner person-on-the-list (you figure out which one!) : person-missing-from-the- list -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 16:15:52 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:15:52 +0100 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering Message-ID: Dear All, I've been on this list for the last six (or so) years. Can we please (*please*) stop bickering among ourselves? No? Thought not. Here's my little two penn'orth. We all like Hawkwind / Space-Rock-In-General. We all like Blue Oyster Cult. Where's the problem? Let's all talk about what we like. Let's not argue about what we don't like. We don't argue about semantics. We don't bicker like schoolgirls. Andy Gilham is a top bloke. and has been shat on. The whole domain name hes been blownout of all proportion. Nik's stuff is either great or shite. Recent Hawkwind stuff is either great or shite. Larry "<>" is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever you prefer. Mike Coleman is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever you prefer. PLEASE - see article three. If this is going to carry on, I'll be tempted to f**k off as well. I know I don't post here very often, but I really enjoy it here, and I don't want to have to leave because of petty minded bollocks. Arguement is the great thing about thingy. Love, Rich. OBcd - "Automobile - Di Morizio" From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sun Oct 14 16:20:59 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:20:59 +0100 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering Message-ID: > > OBcd - "Automobile - Di Morizio" > Damn. "Di Maurizio". Sorry. Rich. From LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sun Oct 14 16:35:19 2001 From: LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (L-soft list server at St. Peter's Campus, US (1.8d)) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:35:19 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > Not sure I subscribe to that myself. I agree about the common chord > sequences used in a lot of songs but narrow tonal intervals ? I'll bet the > Hawks would have got a muted response if they had played Silver Machine in a > quarter tone scale - interesting thought though! Anyway, fact is that unless > you want to reinvent the electric guitar, you're stuck with semi-tones and > surely the obvious harmonic root of all Hawkwind is "blues", not Eastern? - > just think of Dave's busking songs. > > Mark > Hi - have attempted to make similar point myself but two charlies have banned me from the list: if you think freedom of expression (and attempting to preserve ones own legal rights by fair rather than underhand means) are valuable and hard-won commodities in this age of consumerist waffles and ice-cream cone philosophy, please mail ben at TMK.COM to let him know what you think of his parlous decision to ban my banter from this open discussion forum. f rat P.S. What about Hashish? I don't know where I think the influence for this comes - Eastern is obvious, but f**k me - that bassline! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 14 18:31:04 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:31:04 +0100 Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends Message-ID: yes - PAL and NTSC and in stock NOW (although we need more NTSC ones - gues who didn't order enough)at CD Services (and other fine stores, I'm sure) AND it's on VHS video tape too for those who don't have DVD yet, first time officially on tape in the UK for years. Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends > Hi > checking one of our local(Melbourne) record stores, I came across this :- > http://www.gaslight.com.au/shop/product.asp?productID=751895 > > From looking at the cover it seems to be the Live Legends on DVD - zone 4. > Is this what has been released in the UK ? > > regards > > Marty From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sun Oct 14 18:39:26 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:39:26 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Hi ya, Mark Edmonds wrote: > > Not sure I subscribe to that myself. I agree about the common chord > sequences used in a lot of songs but narrow tonal intervals ? I'll bet the > Hawks would have got a muted response if they had played Silver Machine in a > quarter tone scale - interesting thought though! Anyway, fact is that unless > you want to reinvent the electric guitar, you're stuck with semi-tones and > surely the obvious harmonic root of all Hawkwind is "blues", not Eastern? - > just think of Dave's busking songs. > What about violins, double basses etc that don't have frets... also fretless bass guitars. You don't have to reinvent the guitar. A rare piece of music magik is hearing Yehudi Menuin play with Ravi Shanka I guess only Yehudi is (was) actually good enougth to make a violin sound like a sitar! If I remember right it was all the notes between the notes that made it sound so fantastic. Whilst basis of Hawks is blues they always go to other places so you get something unexpected. -- Plato, by the way, wanted to banish all poets from his proposed Utopia because they were liars. The truth was that Plato knew philosophers couldn't compete successfully with poets. -- Kilgore Trout (Philip J. Farmer) "Venus on the Half Shell From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 14 19:04:44 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:04:44 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH comments. In-Reply-To: <0HYifDAba4x7EwaJ@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Nick Medford wrote: => >suspect that those who actually could hear him were close enough to hear => >his amp, => => Yes that might have been it! This reminds me of the last time I saw Gov't Mule at Salem, VA. I was standing right at the front, right in front of Woody. (There was no stage there, and only the monitors and mics separated the band and audience.) His rig was so loud I could barely hear Warren and Matt at all! (Talk about sonic attack!:) In the end, I had to move further back, to get the effect of the PA. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sun Oct 14 19:33:59 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:33:59 -0400 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: <200110012033.QAA17881@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:33:56PM -0400 Message-ID: [rather belatedly; sorry...] But this quote gets it bang-on, especially the last half: "Sometimes we're terrible," says Brock. But the band has always been into improvisation before note-perfect nostalgia, and musicians such as Huw Lloyd Langton keep returning not because they know what they will play, but because they don't. On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:33:56PM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:15:02 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html > > Does anyone find this quote disturbing (not the part about Arthur Brown!): > "In best Hawkwind tradition, the Royal Festival Hall gig promises special > guests ranging from Arthur Brown to Blur guitarist Graham Coxon ..." > > ... and this quote amusing (in its grossly-multiple inaccuracies): > "They have also set up their own Emergency Broadcast Systems label, which > allows them the kind of control they could never achieve on a major label." > > -Doug (not a Britpop fan, sorry) > jasret at mindspring.com -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Oct 14 19:42:43 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:42:43 EDT Subject: HW: Covers All Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/01 1:03:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > There was a Sabalon Glitz 7" that preceded the CD. I also have, somewhere, > a live tape of SG doing "Spirit of the Age" in a very techno/trance-type > version that sounds similar to one of the Astralasia remixes (except that > this was recorded before those remixes were released). Which you fortunately included in our HW Covers All tape-set. Speaking of which--in retrospect, which tunes on said set are people's favorites? some of mine (keeping in mind that there are many other cool HW covers not incl. in this set, some of which are on Doug's Ceres Tribute): well, first off are some tunes which were appropriately lumped together on Vol 1, which are more "tributes" than straight covers: ST 37 "Look at Yr Chair", F/i "Standing in the Garden", Monoshock "Hawkwind Show", Pere Ubu "Final Solution" (taking the piss??...if I'm using this phrase correctly...) from Vol. 2: The Moor "Angels of Death", Monster Magnet "Brainstorm", Pop Will Eat Itself "Orgone A.", Spacehead "Where are They Now" (still never heard the orig...Andy Gee--is this the same version that appears on the In Space We Trust disc?) Vol 3: Lithium X-mas "Magnu", Verge "Spirit of the Age", Sore Throat "Silver Machine" (this one has actually grown on me, even if it is "taking the piss") Vol 4: Finally Balanced "Hurry on Sundown", Wat Tyler "Master of the Universe" (hysterical...is he saying "He go solo", "ego solo"...or both?), still a bit resentful that my suggested title of "Returning Volumes of Sound" was never used for any of the tapes... :) Chuck From ben at TMK.COM Sun Oct 14 19:45:39 2001 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:45:39 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: f.rat, etc. Message-ID: For f.rat (and others), here's the deal: Some of the messages that he sent were, to put it nicely, somewhat inflammatory. If I were being less nice, I would say that they were at least deranged. In any event, as I've warned previously, my response was swift and harsh - I forcibly unsubscribed him. He then resubscribed. Since I was unwilling to allow him to continue to rant while I was not continually monitoring the list, I immediately placed him on "REVIEW". This means that all of his attempted postings to the list would be sent to me first for moderator review. Once I approve them (provided that I do, in fact, release them), I can tell LISTSERV to allow them to be posted to the list. To be honest, his actions / reactions following this have not prompted me to particularly want to even continue viewing his messages. As far as I can determine, he has: 1) accused me of stifling free speech; 2) misrepresented someone else's character; 3) forged email. In response to (1) - yes, there is free speech in the US. However, this is not a forum which is, of necessity, protected by it. This is a mailing list run for the benefit of the subscribers at the whim of the moderator. If you don't like it, please feel free to start up another mailing list where you can say anything you'd like to and everyone who subscribes needs to listen to it. Free speech protection says that I can't shut down your own mailing list; it doesn't give you the right to crap on mine. I won't deal with (2) since that's up to the injured party to decide how he wishes to proceed, however I will say that failing to apologize for it is unlikely to make me want to restore your mailing list privileges here and may serve to further reduce them. As for (3), if you continue forging email (and I now have evidence of at least 2 instances, 1 of which I received), I will have no compunction whatsoever about turning the information (including mail logs and other evidence) to the proper authorities. Given the current climate, I'm sure they will be ecstatic to chase down anyone who has committed any form of computer crime. f.rat - if you wish to discuss this reasonably, you are more than welcome to contact me directly at . If you wish to be unreasonable, I will remove your posting and reading rights from the mailing list and contact your ISP since I would believe that there is a possibility you are in violation of their Appropriate Use Policy. If you wish to continue perpetrating criminal activity, the appropriate authorities will be informed. Consider this a clear message that you would best be served by ratcheting down your emotions and attempting to be a civilized being. Ben Cohen moderator, BOC-L From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 14 23:19:11 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:19:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (party nekkid weeee!) In-Reply-To: <200110141953.PAA04671@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Doug P rubbed noses: <<"However, there is a MAJOR, EGREGIOUS, OUTRAGEOUS omission from this list (that I already pointed out to Dave Hall)".>> He who passeth freely under low branch and has been known to purchase booteths in childs sizes? m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 14 23:41:50 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:41:50 -0600 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering In-Reply-To: <003d01c154ed$0622a280$fdee7bd5@bpnf001> Message-ID: Someone pointed out (name withheld as to not cause further possible disrupt): "Larry "<>" is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever you prefer. Mike Coleman is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever you prefer.") It's in-between in my case, with a lean towards the latter-= "<>" went off, interesting to see him mentioned- was wondering if he was about- I gather since my name is written out, I have irked..... m c From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Oct 15 00:48:58 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:48:58 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Mike Watt and the Tome and Jery Show "review" Message-ID: sorta.. They did "The red and the Black" with special guest Ed from ohio on guitar (from what I heard he was in fIREHOSE w/Watt. good night) and, I brought the Meltzer anthology with me to the show and had him sign "Props" on top of which he wrote: "Mike Watt loves Richard and D.Boon" he said he wrote 10 songs w/ Richard ere D.Boon passed away. a shame. Honest show. rocked like the Brain Surgeons. ears ringing in the new dawn Jason From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 14 23:26:21 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:26:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Survey for free music Message-ID: Hi Folks... OK, I been coming to the conclusion that we all are (myself included) getting just a bit too obsessive about just one band (blasphemy!) at the expense of a slew of others that are far more active. And yes, some of these have even put out material that IMHO is better than the tiny bits of new stuff emerging from the mothership. I remember that each time I talk to Jim L. about the sagging attendence numbers at his excellent events (Nobody gives a shit about Strange Daze 2001? Yet people fly half way 'round the world to see 100% old tunes? Hey, I did it myself last October, so I'm just as guilty.), he always says, "You know, people out there have to realize that Dave's not going to continue on forever." It also struck me the result that Doug P. came up with that HW have only been doing gigs the past five years at a rate about 10% of that in the beginning. And so now the two guys that were actually writing new material are out (I guess), and so now we have the 1986 Hawkwind back again. Anyone else get this strange feeling that HW have now entered some sort of new 'cruise control' territory that no longer seeks new fans/new ideas, but instead are focussed mainly on archival releases, special 'reunion' events, etc.? I mean, I really like Alan, Huw, et al., and it would be great to see a new studio album (of any kind!) come out next year with major promotion/tour support, but other than Alan maybe (w/ Beduoin) and Keith too (w/ Starfield), I just don't see much 'energy' in the band left. 'Distant Horizons' and a couple tracks from 'In Your Area' (mostly Ron & Jerry works) are pretty much all we have to speak of from the recent past. Even BOC is writing/releasing more new stuff! Well, anyway, I realize that this is a Hawkwind/BOC list, and why shouldn't we obsess about HW? But I think the best thing about this list is what I find out about other bands that I can learn about with a "Hawkwind perspective" in common to judge them by. I know a few others here that think likewise, as I end up trading with them a lot, but I don't know about a lot of others, esp. the lurkers. I always scoffed at Grateful Dead fanatics that I never believed were really 'music fans' in any way, given that they had a collection of 1000 cassette tapes, and 994 of them were the Dead. I lived with one of these guys once. (I suppose the best thing that ever happened to the careers of bands like Phish, Dave Matthews (?), etc. is the death of Jerry Garcia.) I don't really believe Hawkwind fans are like that...I hope not! So I'd like now to find out. So...I've decided to make a 2xCD-R collection of American (sorry, no Canadiens this time out) space rock bands that I really like and feel should get a lot more support. I've specifically not included some that are already pretty well known and often discussed here, like MM, Farflung/P-Hed/A.Lights, Chrome/H. Creed, ArcMet, A.P., Melting Euphoria. I think most folks don't need introduction to these entities (although there is essentially a Farflung title on Disc Two here, but that was just because that was the only thing short enough to fit onto the very end of the 74-minute CDR). I've also had to leave off a lot of really good bands that I just didn't have room for! There really is an amazing amount of great music being made around the world over the past decade - but hardly anybody notices I often think. I'm in the process of burning up 10 sets of these CDRs, and will send them to the first 10 people that respond with a completed survey. Nothing expected in return, unless you feel obliged to. I'll send without jewel boxes and I bought a box of 100 CDR's for $26 closeout recently, so the entire material cost per person would only be about a dollar (domestic) anyway. Beyond that, I may or may not be inspired to burn more, so no guarantees. Of course, you would be welcome to copy them amongst yourselves. You can indicate to me in your responses whether you might be willing to make copies for others, and I'll keep track of that in case those interested reach significant numbers. Also, if you don't care to have a copy of this because you're one of the very few that know almost all of this stuff already, well then, of course, I would still be happy to have your survey response (so as not to 'skew' the results towards a negative conclusion!) - just put down that you don't actually need a copy. This is for my own curiosity, and to see whether my 'preaching' really does any good. I mean, are you all converted yet? :) Grakkl (FAA), aka Keith H. P.S. I apologize to any of the artists who mind that I'm 'pirating' their stuff. I hope that it's for a good cause. P.P.S. I never had much luck with the boc-l tape/CDR trades, especially this last one when I never got anything from the person who was supposed to send me something. But then I got two CDRs from someone unexpected (Arin I think?), which I still have and would send to someone on that original 2000 list if you mention it. (I have 'Big Cheery' and 'Dom'n'us Forbiscuits', so if you haven't already had them once...) Anyway, the point is...I'm just forging out on my own now and doing a direct person-to-person 'tape trade' - I really don't need much of anything these days (I can hardly listen to what I already have) - the benefits of being involved with A-I.com for three years or so. P.P.P.S. There was supposed to be a 'theme' behind the two discs - the first being more classic, heavy-blanga jam style, the second more modern, experimental/electronic style, but some of it got a little mixed together. Anyway..... America's Best Space Rock Disc One: Space Jam No. Artist (State) - Title (Album) Yr Time 1. ST 37 (TX) - Ghosts of Tempera Nymphs (The Invisible College) 91 4:05 2. Walk on Water* (MI) - The Vortex Inside (Solvent Based Melodies)98 3:47 3. Maximum Coherence During Flying (TX) - Polestoker (MCDF) 99 3:25 4. Sky Cries Mary (WA) - Deep Sunless Sea (This Timeless Turning) 94 6:50 5. F/i (WI) - Just to Get Us Off (Space Mantra) 88 10:04 6. DunLavy (TX) - Kirk, In Time (Thaumaticron 2) 97 5:55 7. Space Cadet Elroy (OH) - Volt Age (Metaphorical Fire) 00 4:48 8. The Phoebe Cates (OH) - ...and Further Down this Hole (Turn on the Phantom) 99 8:31 9. Abunai! (MA) - Rolling of the Stones (Round Wound) 00 6:21 10.Burnt Noodle (CA) - We've Reached the Ocean (The Noodle and the Damage Done) 98 4:00 11.Einstein's Secret Orchestra (OH) - Trans Lunar Injection** (Witch Disco) 99 5:52 12.Salamander (MN) - Old Mr. Jones (Red Mantra) 98 9:54 * Walk on Water now goes by the name Novadriver ** Different tune than that by ST 37 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Disc Two: Space Exploration No. Artist (State) - Title (Album) Yr Time 1. 7% Solution (TX) - Revolve (All About Satellites and Spaceships)9? 7:07 2. Salaryman (IL) - My Hands are Always in Water (Karoshi) 99 4:04 3. Quarkspace (OH) - Psionic Rift (Spacefolds 5) 99 3:07 4. Salom? (IL) - Tarantula (a.m.) 9? 2:45 5. The Asteroid #4 (PA) - Kate and the King (Introducing...) 98 9:14 6. The Helio Sequence (OR) - Transistor Radio (ComPlex) 00 5:23 7. Liquid Sound Company (TX) - A Splash of Color (Exploring the Psychedelic) 96 4:43 8. Sabalon Glitz (IL) - The Lonesome Death of Elijah P. Woods (Ufonic) 9? 6:38 9. Tristeza (CA) - Auroura Borealis (Dream Signals in Full Circles)00 4:40 10.Rubycon (MO?) - Dusting Christ (Rubycon) 00 5:20 11.The Cosmic Joke (NY) - Sloth Waste (The Cosmic Joke) 99 3:55 12.Mazinga Phaser (TX) - Scattered Smothered and Covered (Dissatisfied Customers of Hallucination) 00 5:39 13.Nebula Trip (CT) - Causes of Riots (Birth) 99 5:20 14.Vas Deferens Organization (LA) - Reverie (Sweat Your Cheeses, but Not in My Salad) 96 3:45 15.Spirits Burning* (CA) - Arcturus (New Worlds by Design) 99 2:32 * with Tommy & Len of Farflung ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SURVEY (mail to henderson.120 at osu.edu) (Try to use Courier Font to make columns align properly) NAME: SHIPPING ADDRESS: E-MAIL: Willing to burn extras? Y/N? 1. Primarily HW or BOC? 2. Total # of CDs in collection (est. to nearest ~100) - (include new LPs purchased in the last 10 years if a significant number)? 3. Approximate # (or %) of those specifically of space-rock/psychedelic/ krautrock/electronic/post-rock nature? One number for all is ok. 4. Approximate number of CDs in collection from the immediate Hawkwind family (include solo Brock/HLL/Blake/House/Nik/Harvey/Calvert/Swindells/etc.)? 5. Indicate your level of familiarity (best estimate) with the groups on the compilation in the table below. (Samples given). HAVE MOST/ALL HAVE HEARD NAME IS Artist (State) THEIR ALBUM(S) SOME STUFF FAMILIAR WHO? Spl.Farflung (CA) X Spl.Anubian Lights (CA) X Spl.Bionaut (MA) X Spl.Dr. Fuggy (OH) X 1. ST 37 (TX) 2. Walk on Water/Novadriver (MI) 3. Max. Coherence During Flying (TX) 4. Sky Cries Mary (WA) 5. F/i (WI) 6. DunLavy (TX) 7. Space Cadet Elroy (OH) 8. The Phoebe Cates (OH) 9. Abunai! (MA) 10. Burnt Noodle (CA) 11. Einstein's Secret Orchestra (OH) 12. Salamander (MN) 13. 7% Solution (TX) 14. Salaryman (IL) 15. Quarkspace (OH) 16. Salom? (IL) 17. The Asteroid #4 (PA) 18. The Helio Sequence (OR) 19. Liquid Sound Company (TX) 20. Sabalon Glitz (IL) 21. Tristeza (CA) 22. Rubycon (MO?) 23. The Cosmic Joke (NY) 24. Mazinga Phaser (TX) 25. Nebula Trip (CT) 26. Vas Deferens Organization (LA) 27. Spirits Burning (CA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 14 23:31:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:31:22 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Mike Watt and the Tome and Jery Show "review" Message-ID: >sorta.. >They did "The red and the Black" with special guest Ed from ohio on guitar >(from what I heard he was in fIREHOSE w/Watt. good night) Yes, Ed Crawford. From Columbus I think. I saw fIREHOSE here in Columbus actually (but when I lived in Cleveland strangely enough), and I think they did Red and the Black that night too. It was the 'Low Man on the Totem Pole' EP tour, and a live version appears on that very disc, along with some other covers. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: fIREHOSE - Ragin' Full On ObHawkwindSimilarity: Ed, like Alan Davey FWIU, pestered the band (in this case, the Minutemen (LA) following the death of Boon) from afar until they finally agreed to let him audition/join. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 15 04:58:04 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:58:04 +0100 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just to lay my cards on the table and to avoid anyone thinking that I was trying to insult anyone, my personal opinion is that Mike Coleman and Larry are both top blokes. :-) Cheers, R. > > Someone pointed out (name withheld as to not cause further > possible disrupt): > "Larry "<>" is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever you prefer. > Mike Coleman is either a top bloke or a total twat - whichever > you prefer.") > > It's in-between in my case, with a lean towards the latter-= > > "<>" went off, interesting to see him mentioned- was wondering if > he was about- > I gather since my name is written out, I have irked..... > > m c > From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 15 05:20:29 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:20:29 -0400 Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends Message-ID: Indeed, other fine shops do have them on DVD:-) http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151 For lovely secure shopping. >>>>> Re: HW:Classic Rock legends yes - PAL and NTSC and in stock NOW (although we need more NTSC ones - gues who didn't order enough)at CD Services (and other fine stores, I'm sure) AND it's on VHS video tape too for those who don't have DVD yet, first time officially on tape in the UK for years. Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 15 05:39:04 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:39:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Rejoins Message-ID: Hi Jon, I was well positioned at the RFH and thought Huw played a blinder... I was sutble when needed, and rocked out when needed, his interplay with Ali was great. and the nucleus of "2 stone, Ali and Huw " is awesome. I'm so glad that I get to eat my words of old on the subject Regards iain Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > > > last couple of times I've seen Huw he's been awful. The albums where > > he was under control "live 79, levitation and Sonic attack" are 20 > > years old now..After those albums he tuned the band into some kind of > > heavy metal parody > > > > Can he still play in tune ? has anyone seen any of his solo concerts > > or with his band ? what did it sound like ? > > > > Based on what I heard at Brixton and Croydon ( on video ) he has not > > left me with any confidence that he can play like he used to. Looking > > forward to good reports from the Canterbury gig so that these words > > will return to haunt me for eternity, And that what i've heard so far > > has just been a blip. > > I saw him as acoustic support at the Astoria gig and with the band > at Canterbury, and of course just now at the RFH. Before that I saw him at > the Blackheath gig in 1997, and then I'd have agreed with every word you > said. I couldn't see the point of his LLB set, nothing there bar a nice > tune or two and an insistence on playing `Hurry on Sundown' twice because > the crowd and actually made some noise about that. e was good with the > Hawks themselves for the encore but then it was the first time Ron had > played bass with them live and Jerry was also settling into it as a > regular, so utter chaos was what we got, one of those fantastic gigs where > the Hawks somehow pull it all together and you come out on a massive high > from the sheer spontaneity of it. So he was OK, but not the legend, as it > were. And I thought nothing of his acoustic performance. > > So, for the Hawkestra gig I missed his solo acoustic performance > because I thought it would be less fun than another pint would. This may > have been a mistake. Although given his performance with the main band > I'm not too sure about that. But at the Astoria he was spell-binding. I'm > still not sure how he did it. One man with a semi-acoustic guitar and an > almost unintelligible patter started with a hall of randoms chatting to > each other and inside twenty minutes had the whole audience sitting > completely still in awe. He was *fantastic*. Wandering in and out of > things I knew and into his own songs, fantastic technique and marvellously > sensitive playing; not perfect but completely at ease with its defects, > you know what I mean. And at Canterbury I was forced to acclaim him space > guitarist of the new millennium because of the eerie noises he was linking > his really pretty good solos with. So I'd say he can play all right still. > > I wish I could use the RFH gig as evidence in favour too, but I > could only hear him at times and even during some of those he appeared to > have given up trying, presumably because of not being audible. What I > heard was mostly OK with one flash of brilliance. He's not quite reliable, > I think, mood affects him more than it does the others, but when on form > he;s still got it all right. IMO. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Gong - _02I_ > -- > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 15 05:58:47 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:58:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Rejoins In-Reply-To: <3BCAAEB8.4ACA07E7@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I was well positioned at the RFH and thought Huw played a blinder... I was > sutble when needed, and rocked out when needed, his interplay with Ali was > great. and the nucleus of "2 stone, Ali and Huw " is awesome. :( When Huw was turned up, halfway through his first sung line, it was great. Jon and I were sat fairly near the back, it must be admitted, but that *shouldn't* make a difference, and it's certainly no excuse. Especially in a place like the RFH, built for good accoustics, everyone should be able to be heard from *all* parts of the hall. That's what sound checks are for. Yes, I like Huw's work, but it's much, much nicer if we can hear it, and saying 'you should have been at the front, it was great there', merely increases the temptation to blame any non-greatness of the last gig on the soundman. Yes, it wasn't as bad as at Hawkwestra, when I sometimes could only tell that anyone at all was playing because I could see them, but even so.... (interestingly enough, I could hear Jez all the way through; I imagine that that's a peculiarity of my concert-band trained ears) Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti nina mashine fedha From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Oct 15 06:32:25 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:32:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Survey for free music Message-ID: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > SURVEY (mail to henderson.120 at osu.edu) > (Try to use Courier Font to make columns align properly) > > NAME: Chris Raymond > SHIPPING ADDRESS: 520 Manchester Rd. Auburn, NH 03032 > E-MAIL: chrisr at tiac.net > > Willing to burn extras? Y/N? Yes! > > 1. Primarily HW or BOC? Hawkwind > > 2. Total # of CDs in collection (est. to nearest ~100) - (include new LPs > purchased in the last 10 years if a significant number)? Rough guess - 1200 CDs > > 3. Approximate # (or %) of those specifically of space-rock/psychedelic/ > krautrock/electronic/post-rock nature? One number for all is ok. 50% ? > > 4. Approximate number of CDs in collection from the immediate Hawkwind > family (include solo Brock/HLL/Blake/House/Nik/Harvey/Calvert/Swindells/etc.)? 100 to 110 including compilations etc. > > 5. Indicate your level of familiarity (best estimate) with the groups on the > compilation in the table below. (Samples given). > > HAVE MOST/ALL HAVE HEARD NAME IS > Artist (State) THEIR ALBUM(S) SOME STUFF FAMILIAR WHO? > > Spl.Farflung (CA) X > Spl.Anubian Lights (CA) X > Spl.Bionaut (MA) X > Spl.Dr. Fuggy (OH) X > > 1. ST 37 (TX) X > 2. Walk on Water/Novadriver (MI) X > 3. Max. Coherence During Flying (TX) X > 4. Sky Cries Mary (WA) X > 5. F/i (WI) X > 6. DunLavy (TX) X > 7. Space Cadet Elroy (OH) X > 8. The Phoebe Cates (OH) X > 9. Abunai! (MA) X > 10. Burnt Noodle (CA) X > 11. Einstein's Secret Orchestra (OH) X > 12. Salamander (MN) X > 13. 7% Solution (TX) X > 14. Salaryman (IL) X > 15. Quarkspace (OH) X > 16. Salom? (IL) X > 17. The Asteroid #4 (PA) X > 18. The Helio Sequence (OR) X > 19. Liquid Sound Company (TX) X > 20. Sabalon Glitz (IL) X > 21. Tristeza (CA) X > 22. Rubycon (MO?) X > 23. The Cosmic Joke (NY) X > 24. Mazinga Phaser (TX) X > 25. Nebula Trip (CT) X > 26. Vas Deferens Organization (LA) X > 27. Spirits Burning (CA) X > > > From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 15 06:34:16 2001 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:34:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw Rejoins Message-ID: >From: iain ferguson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Huw Rejoins >Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:39:04 +0100 > >Hi Jon, > >I was well positioned at the RFH and thought Huw played a blinder... I was >sutble when needed, and rocked out when needed, his interplay with Ali was >great. and the nucleus of "2 stone, Ali and Huw " is awesome. > >I'm so glad that I get to eat my words of old on the subject > >Regards >iain > >Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > last couple of times I've seen Huw he's been awful. The albums where > > > he was under control "live 79, levitation and Sonic attack" are 20 > > > years old now..After those albums he tuned the band into some kind of > > > heavy metal parody > > > > > > Can he still play in tune ? has anyone seen any of his solo concerts > > > or with his band ? what did it sound like ? > > > > > > Based on what I heard at Brixton and Croydon ( on video ) he has not > > > left me with any confidence that he can play like he used to. Looking > > > forward to good reports from the Canterbury gig so that these words > > > will return to haunt me for eternity, And that what i've heard so far > > > has just been a blip. > > > > I saw him as acoustic support at the Astoria gig and with the >band > > at Canterbury, and of course just now at the RFH. Before that I saw him >at > > the Blackheath gig in 1997, and then I'd have agreed with every word you > > said. I couldn't see the point of his LLB set, nothing there bar a nice > > tune or two and an insistence on playing `Hurry on Sundown' twice >because > > the crowd and actually made some noise about that. e was good with the > > Hawks themselves for the encore but then it was the first time Ron had > > played bass with them live and Jerry was also settling into it as a > > regular, so utter chaos was what we got, one of those fantastic gigs >where > > the Hawks somehow pull it all together and you come out on a massive >high > > from the sheer spontaneity of it. So he was OK, but not the legend, as >it > > were. And I thought nothing of his acoustic performance. > > > > So, for the Hawkestra gig I missed his solo acoustic performance > > because I thought it would be less fun than another pint would. This may > > have been a mistake. Although given his performance with the main band > > I'm not too sure about that. But at the Astoria he was spell-binding. >I'm > > still not sure how he did it. One man with a semi-acoustic guitar and an > > almost unintelligible patter started with a hall of randoms chatting to > > each other and inside twenty minutes had the whole audience sitting > > completely still in awe. He was *fantastic*. Wandering in and out of > > things I knew and into his own songs, fantastic technique and >marvellously > > sensitive playing; not perfect but completely at ease with its defects, > > you know what I mean. And at Canterbury I was forced to acclaim him >space > > guitarist of the new millennium because of the eerie noises he was >linking > > his really pretty good solos with. So I'd say he can play all right >still. > > > > I wish I could use the RFH gig as evidence in favour too, but I > > could only hear him at times and even during some of those he appeared >to > > have given up trying, presumably because of not being audible. What I > > heard was mostly OK with one flash of brilliance. He's not quite >reliable, > > I think, mood affects him more than it does the others, but when on form > > he;s still got it all right. IMO. Yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Gong - _02I_ > > -- > > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) hello people, I'm just writing to say I was upstairs at RFH and the sound was much clearer than down,(by all accounts).Huw is back where he belongs and I'm so glad that the Hawkwind are bringing Simon and Huw together! Huw guitar has always been cherished sound for me'the days in 85-88 when I'd wait for Huw to 'give it some!!' at the T&C Kentish town. His place cannot (and should not be) re-placed by anyone else.Either Hawkwind have HUW on lead or they're better off with no-one filling the void he leaves when he aint in the band.Alan. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 15 08:14:18 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:14:18 -0600 Subject: Barney Bubbles pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: was up retreating into Trower "ville", ended up on 'Funky' Paul's site (Trowers 70's artist, among others), found this: http://www.olsenart.com/bio2.html mike "chortle of lists, I paid him off" c From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 15 07:19:46 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:19:46 EDT Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Oct 2001, at 9:58, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Just to lay my cards on the table and to avoid anyone thinking that I > was trying to insult anyone, my personal opinion is that Mike Coleman > and Larry are both top blokes. > I resemble that remark... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 15 07:20:55 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:20:55 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: 1.8d's message of Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:35:19 +0100 Message-ID: FoFP > Hi - have attempted to make similar point myself but two charlies have banned me > from the list: if you think freedom of expression (and attempting to preserve > ones own legal rights by fair rather than underhand means) are valuable and > hard-won commodities in this age of consumerist waffles and ice-cream cone > philosophy, please mail ben at TMK.COM to let him know what you think of his > parlous decision to ban my banter from this open discussion forum. Speaking as a hardcore libertarian: Good call Ben! FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Oct 15 07:32:59 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:32:59 +0100 Subject: HW:Dave's guitar Message-ID: Hello, Does anybody out there know what happened to Dave Brock's Les Paul clone? He sold it to a fan in the U.S. (San Fransisco?) in the early/mid-seventies. Does anyone know it's whereabouts? Just wonderin'... Keef From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 15 08:19:36 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:19:36 EDT Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <3BC90720.51443CD1@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On 14 Oct 2001, at 4:31, root wrote: > > A sitar has moveable frets... you slide the frets up and down to get > different tunings. > Are you sure of this? I don't know a hell of a lot about sitars, but I thought that the frets were very high, which allowed for differing finger pressure, making it possible to vary the pitch of the note by pressing the string closser to the fretboard. This is the same effect sought by guitarists who have the fretboards of their guitars scalloped [e.g. Yngwie and Ritchie Blackmore]... theo From ben at TMK.COM Mon Oct 15 09:07:05 2001 From: ben at TMK.COM (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:07:05 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [hawkfan@blueyonder.co.uk: Your posting] Message-ID: f.rat sent the following to me and asked me to forward it. I am doing so, but would like to add a comment or two: 1) I'm not accusing ANYONE, but it is bad form to forward (or excerpt) private emails to a public forum. If you (the generic "you") are thinking about doing so, please reconsider and get permission from the original sender. 2) If anyone feels like posting a message to the list that might be indistinguishable from line-noise, you should, again, reconsider. 3) If you have something to post that you feel might be truly offensive to some, think twice before posting it. If you still desire to post it (after thinking twice), you might be well-advised to consider sending it directly to me () first to get approval for posting. 4) In general, I would like this silliness to stop, NOW. Anyone who has an issue related to this, take it off-line and into private email or I will take (continued) action. Ben Cohen moderator, BOC-L ----- Forwarded message from "f. rat" ----- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:03:09 +0100 From: "f. rat" Reply-To: hawkfan at blueyonder.co.uk Organization: none whatsoever X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: ben at tmk.com Subject: Your posting On behalf of Chris (not the injured party as he has breached a copyright of mine) - the mail I sent was addressed to him personally and he decided to bring his grudge to this group - which you will find is inflammatory and inappropriate use of a music-based discussion group. Further I was not referring personally to yourself in my comments on free speech, simply employing the use of freedom of speech as the basis of a discussion group to appeal to other group members of this, hopefully, free and open, though moderated, forum. I believe it is I who is owed an apology by "root" for his breaching copyright but further using my joke e-mail to himself (check again my dealing with the treatise brought to our attention by Mr Shipley, referred to in my previous mail for how obviously deliberately out-of-character and therefore intentionally humorous my mail to "root" was) to attempt to blacken my character publicly. "root" quoted me twice publicly in the group from private e-mails to himself without ever deigning to reply directly to my mails, which I regard as extremely rude not to say humourless - had he contacted me direct he could have discovered the humorous nature of my intended "sting" regarding copyright. You should also find that my "recovering my warp capability craft" in my mail to him referred to in his posting, if not regarded as a humorous aside, could only be seen as a non-valid inflammatory remark. Would you be inflamed by someone threatening to steal a non-existent space craft? I would be more than grateful if you could print this reply in full on your group, if only so that other members may get a balanced argument regarding this whole sorry affair. I apologise to your good self for my games and mails to you, my only excuse is the form of racist bigotry found in Mr Shipley's forwarding of someone else's text and the somewhat unhumorous and inflammatory approach by "root" to my humorous reaction to his infringements of legal copyright laws. Sincerely M Forster (a.k.a. f rat a.k.a. hawkfan at blueyonder.co.uk ) ----- End forwarded message ----- From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Oct 15 08:49:11 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:49:11 +0800 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering Message-ID: > > Just to lay my cards on the table and to avoid anyone thinking that I > > was trying to insult anyone, my personal opinion is that Mike Coleman > > and Larry are both top blokes. > > Slap it on der Table From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 15 09:44:06 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:44:06 +0100 Subject: HW:BOC:NIK:BRAIN:OFF:ALL: I've realised - Bickering In-Reply-To: <000201c1557f$0598ebc0$b66f3bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: > > > Just to lay my cards on the table and to avoid anyone thinking that I > > > was trying to insult anyone, my personal opinion is that Mike Coleman > > > and Larry are both top blokes. > > > > > Slap it on der Table > In a Graham Chapman stylee? I'd better not - you'd only laugh... :-) Cheers, Rich. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Oct 15 09:59:54 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:59:54 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: f.rat, etc. Message-ID: Dear Mr Cohen, I do appreciate (sincerely) your comments on list behaviour, and while there is much, much more I could say regarding others' misinterpretation (deliberate?) of my words of humour and inspiration I would just add that ratcheting emotions is a painful and soul-destroying affair, and whilst I will attempt to keep my heartfelt ramblings under some sort of control, I find my own ways of dealing with my own emotional needs work best for me. Any misinformation or misrepresentation of activities by yourself as "criminal" without an excuse for me to respond with a reasoned and moderate explanation and interpretation in a rational and informed light of my own "words" would be frowned upon by many in the world of karma and light which exists in a world where mutual co-operation may be seen as expedient and necessary to someone in your position, sir. Cheers F Rat P.S. In a world where free speech and emotional entanglement are a) a hard-won commodity and b) an apparently inescapable reality I would be grateful if you could put this mail forward too as part of my campaign to put right previous wrongs and have restored my full and uncensored inclusion in the group. Ben Cohen wrote: > For f.rat (and others), here's the deal: > > Some of the messages that he sent were, to put it nicely, somewhat > inflammatory. If I were being less nice, I would say that they were at least > deranged. In any event, as I've warned previously, my response was swift and > harsh - I forcibly unsubscribed him. He then resubscribed. > > Since I was unwilling to allow him to continue to rant while I was not > continually monitoring the list, I immediately placed him on "REVIEW". This > means that all of his attempted postings to the list would be sent to me first > for moderator review. Once I approve them (provided that I do, in fact, > release them), I can tell LISTSERV to allow them to be posted to the list. > > To be honest, his actions / reactions following this have not prompted me to > particularly want to even continue viewing his messages. As far as I can > determine, he has: 1) accused me of stifling free speech; 2) misrepresented > someone else's character; 3) forged email. > > In response to (1) - yes, there is free speech in the US. However, this is not > a forum which is, of necessity, protected by it. This is a mailing list run > for the benefit of the subscribers at the whim of the moderator. If you don't > like it, please feel free to start up another mailing list where you can say > anything you'd like to and everyone who subscribes needs to listen to it. > Free speech protection says that I can't shut down your own mailing list; it > doesn't give you the right to crap on mine. > > I won't deal with (2) since that's up to the injured party to decide how he > wishes to proceed, however I will say that failing to apologize for it is > unlikely to make me want to restore your mailing list privileges here and may > serve to further reduce them. > > As for (3), if you continue forging email (and I now have evidence of at least > 2 instances, 1 of which I received), I will have no compunction whatsoever > about turning the information (including mail logs and other evidence) to the > proper authorities. Given the current climate, I'm sure they will be ecstatic > to chase down anyone who has committed any form of computer crime. > > f.rat - if you wish to discuss this reasonably, you are more than welcome to > contact me directly at . If you wish to be unreasonable, I will > remove your posting and reading rights from the mailing list and contact your > ISP since I would believe that there is a possibility you are in violation of > their Appropriate Use Policy. If you wish to continue perpetrating criminal > activity, the appropriate authorities will be informed. Consider this a clear > message that you would best be served by ratcheting down your emotions and > attempting to be a civilized being. > > Ben Cohen > moderator, BOC-L From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 15 15:37:48 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:37:48 -0500 Subject: HW:Dave's guitar Message-ID: Is that the one he sold after the 77 tour? Where the tour didn't go so well and Dave sold it at the end. I can't remember if that is a les paul clone or not. But Marc Sperhauk has that one, at least I saw it at his place last year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:32 AM Subject: HW:Dave's guitar > Hello, > > Does anybody out there know what happened to Dave Brock's Les Paul clone? > > He sold it to a fan in the U.S. (San Fransisco?) in the early/mid-seventies. > > Does anyone know it's whereabouts? > > Just wonderin'... > > Keef > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 15 15:51:48 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:51:48 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: f.rat, etc. In-Reply-To: <20011014194539.B27905@gate.tmk.com> Message-ID: >In response to (1) - yes, there is free speech in the US. However, this is not >a forum which is, of necessity, protected by it. This is a mailing list run >for the benefit of the subscribers at the whim of the moderator. If you don't >like it, please feel free to start up another mailing list where you can say >anything you'd like to and everyone who subscribes needs to listen to it. >Free speech protection says that I can't shut down your own mailing list; it >doesn't give you the right to crap on mine. And to throw in my tuppence, Ben is the moderator, it's his list to moderate, and he's laying it down and telling it like it is. Good on 'im :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: BOC(ish), _Imaginos_. From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 15 16:02:49 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:02:49 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH comments. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul M wrote: >This reminds me of the last time I saw Gov't Mule at Salem, VA. I was >standing right at the front, right in front of Woody. (There was no >stage there, and only the monitors and mics separated the band and >audience.) His rig was so loud I could barely hear Warren and Matt at >all! (Talk about sonic attack!:) In the end, I had to move further >back, to get the effect of the PA. Woody was The Man. He is one of my three Bass Gods along with Geezer and Lemmy (no offence to all the other astounding bassists I also like!). Strangely, there is some kind of weird connection in all this, since back in the mid-90s Allen Woody was shopped to join the Ozzy band (but preferred to concentrate on Mule, thank the gods :) and Iremember going to a Mule show in Boston in a Motorhead T-shirt where I walked into the venue at the same time as Woody, who pointed at my shirt and commented "Lemmy fuckin' rocks, man". Which makes this post almost topical ;) Cheers, Carl From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 15 18:06:21 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:06:21 +0100 Subject: [BOC] COTHM: re-WOW In-Reply-To: <3B724012.13541.1178C0@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: > On 8 Aug 2001, at 23:38, jean-charles moriaud wrote: > > > I went back to HF, that I had not listened to for more that a year > > now: the difference is incredible and crual. I will probably leave HF > > back into my rack, next to Imaginos and RBN, and never listen to it > > anymore! > > > 2 that I don't listen to much either. HF is just plain weak, albeit > three are 2 great songs on it: SYiB and HM. Imaginos is a great > album, but it isn't a B?C album. In fact, apart from Al, B?C is > hardly on it at all. So, illogically, in my anger with Columbia, I've > sort of shunned that one... I have a more basic problem with _Imaginos_ which is that the sound is terrible. It sounds like they were trying to get the band into four fewer channels than were available on the mixing desk. Of course with some numbers that may have been the case which may be why you can never hear all the guitar orchestra. But it's like that with all of them. I remember Al posting to the effect that on the vinyl version there was a lot of compression applied so as to get it down to maximum vinyl size, but that doesn't excuse the sound on the CD version unless they used the vinyl master for it which would just be daft. But musically it is very fine indeed,. with the possible exceptionm of the title track. > > COTHM is superb, with only two weak tunes imho: I just like to be bad > > and Here comes that feeling. > > > Gotta disagree about HCTF. It is very much a pop song, but a truly > great one. I can understand why a true B?C fan would dismiss it. > Instead, I'd substitute OotD, which is tied with IJLtBB as worst song > on CotHM... Oh I think IJLtBB is unquestionably far worse :-) I can find some affection for OotD as long as I don't listen to any of the words (more classic Shirley repetition there, I really should have re-used more phrases in my style summary). And HCTF is quite a good little pop tune I think. S'got nothing on `Stone of Love' though. > > And by the way, applause for the bass. Danny Miranda did a very nice > > job, where in HF you can hardly hear the bass. > > > Well, DM doesn't play on HF! Hopefully, you'll get a chance to see > DM live, then you'll really be impressed. Looking at the tour dates, > you may stand a better chance of seeing B?C than I do in the near > future. I see B?C is mainly playing those horrible festival shows, > and hardly any bars these days. Too bad for me, but at least the > band will be making some serious money at those shows--they > deserve it! Danny is on `Harvest Moon' isn't he? And he's all over the photos but then he's kind of that way, isn't he? Only what with Eric being in front all the time one doesn't notice... Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980 - 1985_ -- Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 15 18:29:08 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:29:08 +0100 Subject: [BOC] COTHM: re-WOW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > I have a more basic problem with _Imaginos_ which is that the >sound is terrible. It sounds like they were trying to get the band into >four fewer channels than were available on the mixing desk. Of course with >some numbers that may have been the case which may be why you can never >hear all the guitar orchestra. But it's like that with all of them. I >remember Al posting to the effect that on the vinyl version there was a >lot of compression applied so as to get it down to maximum vinyl size, but >that doesn't excuse the sound on the CD version unless they used the vinyl >master for it which would just be daft. But musically it is very fine >indeed,. with the possible exceptionm of the title track. I remember Al saying that they had mixed the hell out of those tapes. It does show, but IMO the CD sounds rather better than the vinyl -- but more because it sounds a lot clearer to me than because I expect it was decently mastered for CD. While it is daft to cut a CD from vinyl mastering, that isn't to say that it hasn't been the common practice (from what I can tell)! There's a reason CDs often sound better when remastered .... A lot of old classics were mastered _terribly_ to CD, and still haven't been redone decently. IMO, a good CD version of Imaginos would be a thing of glory. I don't give a toss whether Al, or BOC, or the Spice Girls made it: I really like that album :) It would have been better if it had been taken all the way to it's (il)logical conclusion, but it's still got a treasured place on my desert island list (though I'd rather have an entire desert archipelago to store records :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Iggy & the Stooges, _Raw Power_ (the "remixed by Iggy" version :) From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Mon Oct 15 18:59:53 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:59:53 -0400 Subject: [BOC] COTHM: re-WOW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have a more basic problem with _Imaginos_ which is that the >sound is terrible. It sounds like they were trying to get the band into >four fewer channels than were available on the mixing desk. "yes"-ish; a lot o' the tracks were Albert and the Imaginos band oringally, but the released version had overdubs by Pearlman of the other Oyster Boys and other sounds/instruments. Hence things being buried far, far, far in the coal mines of the earphone. A few members of the guitar orch. were guitars added by Pearlman. Of course with >some numbers that may have been the case which may be why you can never >hear all the guitar orchestra. But it's like that with all of them. I >remember Al posting to the effect that on the vinyl version there was a >lot of compression applied so as to get it down to maximum vinyl size, but >that doesn't excuse the sound on the CD version unless they used the vinyl >master for it which would just be daft. But musically it is very fine >indeed,. with the possible exceptionm of the title track. >think. S'got nothing on `Stone of Love' though. Amen to that. > Danny is on `Harvest Moon' isn't he? And he's all over the photos >but then he's kind of that way, isn't he? Only what with Eric being in >front all the time one doesn't notice... Yours, I think it was Jon Rogers because the recording of hM was done w/ Steve Schenck as opposed to the Buck Produced tracks with Danny Miranda on 'em. Cant be bothered to check though its only across the room -- how can you go to HM when the Minutemen are "Tourspeil"-in' out one's stereo? :) Dreamed I was E.Bloom but I woke up E.Bloom (so is that a Nightymare of Kafkaesque proportions? hehe) Jason From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 15 18:55:55 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:55:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Survey for free music Message-ID: WOW!!!!!! A whole lot of points there you spark off, but let me just deal with one. THE main one revolves around 'being satisfied with the audience numbers' that the band has. Sadly, throughout most of the world right now, we live with a global media that doesn't give one earthly toss about anything that they don't construe as applicable for mass consuption or so friggin' obscure that they feature it purely to further the 'one-upmanship' that keeps them sane. As a result, the only way bands can reach greater audiences is by throwing money at publicity. For a start most of the bands don't have this sort of money, and then the question of 'where' - how the hell can yuo guarantee spending a few thousand on ads in Magnet or Classic Rock is going to achieve greater sales. How the hell do you get over to a new audience unless some media gives you the time of day, and by that I don't mean a feature on Hawkwind that simply politicises the band - a new audience needs to know what it's to hear. There's the internet, but it's mind-bogglingly vast, and people seek what they want - they don't know to seek out what they don't - after all can you find the wheat among 170,000 examples of chaff. In short, I've recently seen a musician throw a load of money at a media feature and it reached the so-called 'right audience' too and didn't make much more than a ripple - I've seen musicians who live with their limited audience but get round it by releasing practically a new CD a month. But there are also up and coming bands who are trying to tour in the trad way too. The Dead had it made - they toured like shit and had a lot of other activities as well as being licensed (sort of ) to a major label and their stuff 'transcended' fashion so it got written about. In short, if Dave can keep the audience levels worldwide, and maybe add a few too, then he's actually doing darned well, and if he wants more funds to roll in, the main way is to release more music to an audience that wants it - for too long audiences have demonstrated via bootlegs that they are willing to buy if it's there - but growth? Blame the state of the mass-media, and the idea that if something doesn't appeal to as huge a number of people as possible, then it can't make a profit. I had this idea a while back that I'd get Krel on the road - not in pubs, not in concert halls - but in schools - playing to kids - sound mad? Well, nothing can ever be written off..... Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: OFF: Survey for free music > Hi Folks... > > OK, I been coming to the conclusion that we all are From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 15 18:45:33 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:45:33 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <200110131944.PAA29802@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Gesticulates Very Expressively wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:51:16 +0100, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > > >> personally, i would much prefer the sound of 'driving straight ahead' > >> to the sound of a hovercraft or helicopter. > >> > >> to rock is to be driving straight ahead. > > I don't disagree with this, I just think there's a little more to it. Well, FWIW, I was quoting Larry Boyd there, they're not my words. I'd have to swallow a rather spiky etymology before I'd say that for all that I know what he means. > Think about walking down a street. To move forwards perpendicular to the x- > plane takes two different pairs of sweeps in the y-plane, two springs > working perpendicular to the z-plane and a torso doing its torsion thing in > the z-plane. Eccentric motions and perpendicularity all over the shop. > Striding around, it's not the passing scenery that tells me I'm making good > progress, it's the nested pattern of rotation modes in assorted ball and > socket joints. > The music that feels like rock to me, the music that makes me feel like I'm > driving straight ahead, has to have these epicycles too. And again, since Larry's a drummer I'm sure he would recognise this were he still on-list. His kind of noise can't be made except by continuous cyclical action. > I mean, really, everything going forwards all together in a neat straight > line is a bit boring. It's like sitting in a nice tin box on wheels with a > nice soundproofed engine bay and nice sealed doors and moving smoothly > along, looking at as much view as you can get through a single plane of > tinted windows.. Speed, maybe, but speed like the only point is getting > there fast, with no idea of enjoying the ride. And who wants to travel that > way? > > How do you know you're going unless you feel the bite as you kick back > against the ground? Sit yourself in a plane, shut your eyes and ask yourself how you know when it goes through a turn. G-force, is what I'm getting at. Now of course, that's meaningless with music, I grant you, as unless the drugs are better than I give them credit for you won't get G pulled on you listening to `Born To Go' for all that it sounds like a Saturn 5 taking off. And to explain I'd have to burble about stars going straight-line and how I can hear that in Brock's guitar and then an argument would follow based on how I'd ideally be doing this flat on my back motionless with the lights out which might go to illustrate that there at least two different grades of listening going on here. > *ahem* > > who, me? > > I'll go back to lurking, then. Scared seven shades out of me and induced language I'm not normally capable of at nine a. m., did reading that From: line. How long have you been putting up with this level of noise-to-signal you strange woman you? Yours (no, that really is my usual sign-off), Jon ObCD: Spiritual Beggars - _Per Aspera Ad Astra_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 15 18:50:04 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:50:04 +0100 Subject: (OFF) afterthought In-Reply-To: <024f01c1211c$473151e0$49ed7bd5@bpnf001> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Richard Lockwood wrote: > I thought we were all (even me) mature enough round here to be able to avoid > calling each other "dickhead". This cries out for some playground abuse back again but I'm not going to chance it while Ben's on the prowl :-) > FWIW - I like Huw, not keen on Ginger, like Chronicles of the Black Sword, > dislike Culture Club singles, like bitter, dislike lager, love Huddersfield > Town, hate Manchester United, like the Mets, dislike the Yankees, love IE, > hate Netscape, and I'm sure everyone else disagrees with me. Don't call me > a dickhead for it though! Nah, you're just a web designer :-) Like Huw, think Ginger's all right in his place (that is, wherever he is for the six months before he starts trying to take it over), with you on the rest except for anything involving sport and that I use Netscape. 3 Gold. And sometimes Lynx! Woo is this guy a Neanderthal or what? :-) But if I ever meet you the bitter will ensure at least one good ground of conversation... > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObToon - "Bob Wilson - Anchorman", from HMHB CD single "Editor's > Recommendation" `Vatican Broadside'! Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Oct 15 19:51:05 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:51:05 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Hi ya, > > A sitar has moveable frets... you slide the frets up and down to get > > different tunings. > > > Are you sure of this? I don't know a hell of a lot about sitars, but I > thought that the frets were very high, which allowed for differing > finger pressure, making it possible to vary the pitch of the note by > pressing the string closser to the fretboard. This is the same effect > sought by guitarists who have the fretboards of their guitars > scalloped [e.g. Yngwie and Ritchie Blackmore]... Yes I'm certain!!! I know of two types of sitar, the only difference is one type has a single gurd at the bottom as a sound box the other type has a second smaller gurd at the top. There are loads of sympathetic strings that can't be played, they resonate to the main strings to make the full sound you hear. The frets slide up and down to give different tunings. The frets are much higher than the fret board because you got the sympathetic strings under. I don't think you can push the playing strings onto the fret board for that reason but I could be wrong The bass strings are not or seldom played in Indian classical music because as I said they are for meditation only. In Indial classical music there are parts that must be played as fast as possible (faster you play the better you are and Ravi Shankar is f%^&ing fast!, a good player can do over 600 notes per minuite... Jimi eat yer heart out) You have to keep dipping your fingers in some weird liquid or they get cut to shreds as you slide em up and down the strings This is the sum of my knowledge it came from I guy I met who spent 6 years in Indea learning to play... I thought he was good... he thought he was shite -- Plato, by the way, wanted to banish all poets from his proposed Utopia because they were liars. The truth was that Plato knew philosophers couldn't compete successfully with poets. -- Kilgore Trout (Philip J. Farmer) "Venus on the Half Shell From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Oct 15 20:22:13 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:22:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Random Access / Bits between the Bytes Message-ID: Cellular Structure - Solar Axis > I also heard that Phil Howard has a CDR about to be out, > including some work with the Captain, etc..... The CD-R is Cellular Structure - Solar Axis. There's no mention of Hawks (other than Crum producing some tracks) but there are some live tracks on it which apparently have other musicians in addition to PH playing. It's got a very 70's kosmische sound and feel to it, very warm and analogue - all instrumental (a few samples thrown in here and there), most of it is synth-based pieces, but my favorite tracks add guitar and sometimes drums. Both the music and musicianship attain a fairly high level on this one. I like it quite a bit. Project UFO "Ezekiel saw the wheel. This is the wheel he said he saw." I remember this one, 2 Air Force officers assigned to 'Project Bluebook', set up by the military to study/report on/debunk UFO sightings and close encounters. What I especially liked about this show was that sometimes they found a natural cause for the phenomenom, sometimes they found out it was a deliberate hoax, sometimes things were inconclusive, sometimes we were clearly meant to believe that an actual sighting had occurred. The X-Files could have learned a few things from this series. ITN Logo >The fanfare always accompanied the ITN logo spinning, so you were >just seeing producer/network flash. It did always provide a call >that something good was going to be on. Was that the one at the start of the old Muppet Show? Something good indeed! Marble Sheep - Stone Marby I was incorrect about the Stone Marby version of Ancient Wind - it IS actually based on the version on the Alchemy debut, but both of these tracks are rather different from the demo and live versions on 'New From Old Heads', and those 2 versions differ from each other as well. I'd say AW and 'Calling Back to Ancient Gods' are the tracks on Stone Marby that most closely approach the old style MS material. Minix We used this in our course on Operating Systems in college, lo these many years ago ... and as for the person looking for his PDP-11, we had it here in the shop until the beginning of the year - but when we moved to a smaller space, we just couldn't justify keeping it, and cannibalized it for parts. The bulk of it is undoubtedly taking up space in a Jersey landfill... Stephan From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Oct 15 21:11:46 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 20:11:46 -0500 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Hey gang! I'm drinking wine and "in the zone" so I hope I'm coherent. I just want to put in a plug for a couple members of this BOC-L list who have inspired me over the years. I'm fond of all list members but Keith Henderson is my guru and Larry Boyd is my bud. I agree that the pettiness on this list has got to stop. I don't get it. We aren't living up to our potential. Both Andy G's are good guys too. I would think that Andy Gilham would be honored to turn over hawkwind.com to Dave. There's no reason that he can't be the featured fan site under another URL. Let's be glad he had the domain and is not a total cybersquatter. And, I believe we are "The Church of Hawkwind" but there are a lot of other bands out there that deserve our support. I for one am *totally* looking forward to the Mr Quimby's Beard/Harvey Bainbridge tour coming up in the next couple weeks! Reminder link: http://www.strange-trips.com And, in the words of MQB: Nebulae ( Ray ) Soaring high with wings unfurled The time of quiet lies on the land Reaching out for the becoming sky Let it take you so high The passing stars recall the way The paths which leads to a new born day And erase all fears from your mind And live in peace until the end of time See my space it's there for me See your space it's yours to see See my space it's where I'll be See your space your future's free My orbits set, I can't change the line Endlessly travelling on limited time The chosen course it isn't mine Chaotic theories of future kinds Where there's no more chaos And there's no more law No more peace And there's no more war Where nothing's lost and naught is gained The moon shimmered and the stars waned This astral path will be my bane I've never been here before, but nothing's changed I will myself to be refreshed and free from paranoia...... Please listen to MQB here: Nebulae http://www.btinternet.com/%7Efreakyfungi/DefinitiveUnsolved.htm In space we trust, Karen Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Gesticulates Very Expressively wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:51:16 +0100, Jon Jarrett > > wrote: > > > > >> personally, i would much prefer the sound of 'driving straight ahead' > > >> to the sound of a hovercraft or helicopter. > > >> > > >> to rock is to be driving straight ahead. > > > > I don't disagree with this, I just think there's a little more to it. > > Well, FWIW, I was quoting Larry Boyd there, they're not my > words. I'd have to swallow a rather spiky etymology before I'd say that > for all that I know what he means. > > > Think about walking down a street. To move forwards perpendicular to the x- > > plane takes two different pairs of sweeps in the y-plane, two springs > > working perpendicular to the z-plane and a torso doing its torsion thing in > > the z-plane. Eccentric motions and perpendicularity all over the shop. > > Striding around, it's not the passing scenery that tells me I'm making good > > progress, it's the nested pattern of rotation modes in assorted ball and > > socket joints. > > The music that feels like rock to me, the music that makes me feel like I'm > > driving straight ahead, has to have these epicycles too. > > And again, since Larry's a drummer I'm sure he would recognise > this were he still on-list. His kind of noise can't be made except by > continuous cyclical action. > > > I mean, really, everything going forwards all together in a neat straight > > line is a bit boring. It's like sitting in a nice tin box on wheels with a > > nice soundproofed engine bay and nice sealed doors and moving smoothly > > along, looking at as much view as you can get through a single plane of > > tinted windows.. Speed, maybe, but speed like the only point is getting > > there fast, with no idea of enjoying the ride. And who wants to travel that > > way? > > > > How do you know you're going unless you feel the bite as you kick back > > against the ground? > > Sit yourself in a plane, shut your eyes and ask yourself how you > know when it goes through a turn. G-force, is what I'm getting at. > > Now of course, that's meaningless with music, I grant you, as > unless the drugs are better than I give them credit for you won't get G > pulled on you listening to `Born To Go' for all that it sounds like a > Saturn 5 taking off. And to explain I'd have to burble about stars going > straight-line and how I can hear that in Brock's guitar and then an > argument would follow based on how I'd ideally be doing this flat on my > back motionless with the lights out which might go to illustrate that > there at least two different grades of listening going on here. > > > *ahem* > > > > who, me? > > > > I'll go back to lurking, then. > > Scared seven shades out of me and induced language I'm not > normally capable of at nine a. m., did reading that From: line. How long > have you been putting up with this level of noise-to-signal you strange > woman you? Yours (no, that really is my usual sign-off), > Jon > > ObCD: Spiritual Beggars - _Per Aspera Ad Astra_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------- > "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 15 21:57:11 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:57:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:20:25 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >errrr......one presumes that if a main UK label, in this case New >Millennium-Burnign Airlines, puts something as high profile as this out, >then it has been OK'd by the band - I must admit, I would like to know >more ... Just in case anyone is still panicked over the fact that this release might (*gasp*!) be a bootleg, I saw a copy in one of the local music stores this weekend, and on the back cover, it very clearly states in fine print: P 1981 & 1983 Sony Music. Satisfied? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Oct 15 22:38:44 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:38:44 +0100 Subject: Unreserved appology Message-ID: Hi ya, Turning message headers on... I now realise the messages sent to me by f.rat distorting my views regarding paedeophilia were sent to me personlly not to this news group... At first I thought I'd made a mistake, then I got a second message from him, realised what he had done and then thinking you will all think I'm a nonce I freaked out Sorry everyone. Chris -- Self Test for Paranoia: You know you have it when you can't think of anything that's your own fault. From moodicus at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Oct 16 03:26:46 2001 From: moodicus at EARTHLINK.NET (Steve Moody) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:26:46 -0700 Subject: OFF: Survey for free music Message-ID: I agree with you entirely, I have quite a few friends who are professional or semi-professional musicians who create and perform far better music than the mundane drone cloned sound that emerges from radio these days but major ( and even minor ) labels refuse to touch it - the real shame is a lot of the material is excellent. Unfortunately, the major labels have essentially locked things up by creating their own music label generated bands which are not based on any real talent but a collection of trained chimps who are groomed for a certain appearance, trained to dance, then have label written garbage flood the airways constantly with media hype and promotion to saturate and brainwash the mindless masses. The new millenium has taken the old AM radio saturation concept to new levels of insidious design. The ONLY way I can see how to make an impact is constant touring and exposing quality music to as many people as possible. I can see no better justice than having an opening act of quality musicians whose music and not image or appearance blow off the big name, no talent, music show poodles. Was a DJ once, long ago, how I wish I could be at the controls one more time to try and set things right but most likely I would have some arranged fatal accident from stepping on too many toes and costing some music Monguls too much money by steering the mindless masses of society's sheep to the greener pastures of REAL MUSIC, God Bless Hawkwind!!! Steve the Moonman ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Survey for free music > WOW!!!!!! > A whole lot of points there you spark off, but let me just deal with one. > THE main one revolves around 'being satisfied with the audience numbers' > that the band has. Sadly, throughout most of the world right now, we live > with a global media that doesn't give one earthly toss about anything that > they don't construe as applicable for mass consuption or so friggin' obscure > that they feature it purely to further the 'one-upmanship' that keeps them > sane. As a result, the only way bands can reach greater audiences is by > throwing money at publicity. For a start most of the bands don't have this > sort of money, and then the question of 'where' - how the hell can yuo > guarantee spending a few thousand on ads in Magnet or Classic Rock is going > to achieve greater sales. How the hell do you get over to a new audience > unless some media gives you the time of day, and by that I don't mean a > feature on Hawkwind that simply politicises the band - a new audience needs > to know what it's to hear. > There's the internet, but it's mind-bogglingly vast, and people seek what > they want - they don't know to seek out what they don't - after all can you > find the wheat among 170,000 examples of chaff. In short, I've recently seen > a musician throw a load of money at a media feature and it reached the > so-called 'right audience' too and didn't make much more than a ripple - > I've seen musicians who live with their limited audience but get round it by > releasing practically a new CD a month. But there are also up and coming > bands who are trying to tour in the trad way too. The Dead had it made - > they toured like shit and had a lot of other activities as well as being > licensed (sort of ) to a major label and their stuff 'transcended' fashion > so it got written about. > In short, if Dave can keep the audience levels worldwide, and maybe add a > few too, then he's actually doing darned well, and if he wants more funds to > roll in, the main way is to release more music to an audience that wants > it - for too long audiences have demonstrated via bootlegs that they are > willing to buy if it's there - but growth? Blame the state of the > mass-media, and the idea that if something doesn't appeal to as huge a > number of people as possible, then it can't make a profit. > I had this idea a while back that I'd get Krel on the road - not in pubs, > not in concert halls - but in schools - playing to kids - sound mad? Well, > nothing can ever be written off..... > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Henderson" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:26 AM > Subject: OFF: Survey for free music > > > > Hi Folks... > > > > OK, I been coming to the conclusion that we all are From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 16 07:24:29 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:24:29 EDT Subject: BOC: New dbl CD In-Reply-To: <200110160157.VAA11143@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 15 Oct 2001, at 21:57, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:20:25 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI > wrote: > >errrr......one presumes that if a main UK label, in this case New > >Millennium-Burnign Airlines, puts something as high profile as this > >out, then it has been OK'd by the band - I must admit, I would like > >to know more ... > > Just in case anyone is still panicked over the fact that this release > might (*gasp*!) be a bootleg, I saw a copy in one of the local music > stores this weekend, and on the back cover, it very clearly states in > fine print: > > P 1981 & 1983 Sony Music. CD NOW is selling something called Tales of the Psychic Wars, a 2-cd set from the NMC/pilot label. Looks like the same tunes everyone's been talking about. I wonder if the success of CotHM has anything to do with this release? Sure hope B?C are making a couple pennies from it... theo From nick at NETPHD.NET Tue Oct 16 08:41:29 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:41:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD In-Reply-To: <3BCBE0AD.2098.D79A9@localhost> Message-ID: > I wonder if the success of CotHM has anything to do with this > release? > > Sure hope B?C are making a couple pennies from it... > > theo I hope so, too. Even BOC-Lers who didn\'t like the album. . . and I\'m kind of surprised by how many there were. . . have gotta be wishing the band only the best. I thought Curse was a HUGE step back in the right direction from HF, and mo\' money means mo\' albums, which in turn could mean mo\' of a return to the pre- RBN insanity that we all crave. I don\'t ever expect the new band to record that imaginary yet oft-invoked Secret Treaties II, but give me one Flaming Telepaths-type tune, plus any or all of the songs on Curse, and that would be more than enough for me. --Nick From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Oct 16 08:47:45 2001 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:47:45 EDT Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: Eric just posted on AOL that the new double CD was a rip-off and a boot. chuck From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Oct 16 12:15:46 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:15:46 -0400 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Well, "one aspect" being the claimed arabic influence, does not discount your undoubtedly correct observations about the blues influence and the limitations enforced by fretted instruments. So, add 2 parts electric blues, 1 part arabic vibes, 1 part folk music and 2 parts of electronic spaciness. Stir well, and bring to the boil. Voila! Pot Hawkwind. This reminds me that Dave Brock once said where 80's synth bands went wrong was that there was nothing else underpinning the electronics: what results is an electronic sugary mess. Sounds right to me. Where would we see these various influences? The first album has plenty of folky twists, which come again on Children of The Sun, Space Is Deep, and The Demented Man. I think it becomes subsumed after that. The arabic influence already mentioned, if not totally accepted... The spaciness is everywhere you look, of course. And so are the blues, but doing the underpinning. One song where I think it runs close to the surface is Needle Gun A pumped-up, shuffling electric boogie type of blues to be sure. Who said it sounded like ZZ Top? He/she hit that particular nail right on the head! My theory is that by the late 80's HW had successfully integrated these influences to such a degree that it becomes difficult to pick them out. And by the way, I'm not ignoring the elements of their music that later came to be called "punk" and "techno"...I think these are spin-offs from the evolution of Hawkwind. They have been acclaimed as the originators of techno, I think there's a powerful case for them influencing the development of punk rock too. Moonglum ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:46:47 +0100, Mark Edmonds wrote: >Not sure I subscribe to that myself. I agree about the common chord >sequences used in a lot of songs but narrow tonal intervals ? I'll bet the >Hawks would have got a muted response if they had played Silver Machine in a >quarter tone scale - interesting thought though! Anyway, fact is that unless >you want to reinvent the electric guitar, you're stuck with semi-tones and >surely the obvious harmonic root of all Hawkwind is "blues", not Eastern? - >just think of Dave's busking songs. > >Mark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Moonglum . >> Sent: 14 October 2001 17:22 >> Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > >> It's been said before, by whom I know not, that one aspect of Hawkwind is >> an attempt to produce the narrow tonal intervals of eastern >> (arabic?) music >> in a western style. If I recall the thesis correctly, this is >> best seen in >> the 3-chord run that Dave Brock uses a lot. The one that forms the basis >> of Magnu, Levitation, and Robot.... >> From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 16 14:13:08 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:13:08 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <3BCA141E.D854E208@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was working on the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine is his guitar and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. As for fretless bass, the only instance I can think of is Highrise - are there others? Anyway, the only point I wanted to make was that Hawkwind's dominant musical foundation is not using sub semi-tones, whatever you call that type of scale. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Gibbs > Sent: 14 October 2001 23:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > What about violins, double basses etc that don't have frets... also > fretless bass guitars. You don't have to reinvent the guitar. > > A rare piece of music magik is hearing Yehudi Menuin play with Ravi > Shanka > > I guess only Yehudi is (was) actually good enougth to make a violin > sound like a sitar! > If I remember right it was all the notes between the notes that made it > sound so fantastic. > > Whilst basis of Hawks is blues they always go to other places so you get > something unexpected. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 16 14:54:40 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:54:40 EDT Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Oct 2001, at 19:13, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string > instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was working on > the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine is his guitar > and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. They DO exist, but few and far between, and nothing mass- produced... Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Oct 16 16:03:36 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:03:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule _The Deep End, Vol. 1_ pre-order Message-ID: Given we have both kollectors and Gov't Mule fans on here, I thought the following might be of interest. :-) If you pre-order the upcoming Gov't Mule _The Deep End, Vol. 1_ CD from the official site before 19th October, you will also get the bonus CD, "Hidden Treasure" which features a preview of the upcoming DVD on the making of the album, along with four previously unreleased live cuts by the Mule (a cover of ZZ Top's "Jesus Just Left Chicago" and an acoustic "Soulshine" are two mentioned). You also are automatically entered in a drawing for various goodies, including a guitar, bass, and tickets to a Mule show of your choice. Finally, you also get a link to a site with information about the album and various streaming content. You can order through the link on the official Gov't Mule WWW page (http://www.mule.net/), or via http://stores.musictoday.com/deepend Note, you have to pre-order before 19th October, and through those links. If you pre-order through CDNow, say, you aren't guaranteed to get the bonus CD. I heard a rumour that some of the initial run to shops will also have the bonus CD, but as far as I know, pre-ordering through the "official channels" is the only way to guarantee getting this. Like I said, I thought kollectors and Gov't Mule fans may be interested. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 16 17:02:38 2001 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (Judge Trev) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:02:38 +0100 Subject: THE GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY 2001 London Astoria oct 21 new update Message-ID: THE GREASY TRUCKERS PARTY 2001 - oct 21 London Astoria HAWKESTRA LINE-UP The Mighty Thunder Rider (Nik Turner) Dik Mik Terry Ollis Del Dettmar Thomas Crimble Steve Swindells Dave Anderson Mik Slattery The Calverts Ron Tree Martin Griffin Adrian Shaw Captain Rizz Jerry Richards Andy Dunkley Commander Jim Hawkman INNER CITY UNIT LINE-UP The Mighty Thunder Rider - Nik Turner Judge Trev Dino Ferari Steve Pond Nazzer Rick Welsh Commander Jim Hawkman The Havant Saxophone and Clarinet Choir !!! Truckers Party bookings: 0207 771 2000 See Lord Litter's Radio Malibu "top links": http://www.lordlitter.de/base.html Also see: R. F. M. Real Festival Music http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk The latest CD releases plus News Forum Chat Healers Downloads Unfortunately Mik Farren and the Deviants/Fairies will not be appearing From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 16 14:20:44 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:20:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: that should excite the UK label!!! I thought as much, but it's now in stores and mail orders world-wide so if Eric or Columbia has any clout they'd better find New Millennium/Burning Airlines and act accordingly. How the hell does this keep happening to bands? Andy Garibaldi (in the middle of it as usual in retail land) ----- Original Message ----- From: "" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: BOC: New dbl CD > Eric just posted on AOL that the new double CD was a rip-off and a boot. > > chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 16 17:30:15 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:30:15 +0100 Subject: Cellular Structure Message-ID: Hi, Just sorting that out with Crum - will let yuo know as soon as we have decided who's doing what. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Cellular Structure > > The new Crum/Moonloonies CD is fantastic - more on that one real soon. > > Ooh. Title, release date? > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 16 17:31:52 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:31:52 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: if you mean me, then thanks - if not - then, hey!, I can live with the disappointment. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:11 AM Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > Hey gang! > > Both Andy G's are good guys too. I would think that Andy Gilham would > be honored to turn over hawkwind.com to Dave. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Oct 16 17:42:52 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:42:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: According to Mission control this should be out now, that might be so, but by which company and through which distributor and with which songlist ? Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 16 19:26:37 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:26:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! In-Reply-To: <200108202251.SAA06693@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, K Henderson wrote: > Yep. I like "Sprawl" the best, though haven't heard them all. The Live > album Doug mentions would be my second recommendation. The early albums, > like "Inner Marshland" and "Triptych" are pretty muddily recorded, so > consider that if it's important to you. They've all three been remastered now, though, or am I wrong? Anyone got those who can speak up as to quality and level of improvement? I should say of course that of the few Frond albums I have _Triptych_ is undeniably my favourite because of `Tangerine Infringement Beak' and `Hey Joe'... :-) Also, if you can find it, the short but very good album with Twink, Bevis & Twink's _Magic Eye_ is dead good. Unsurprisingly it sounds like a cross between Bevis Frond and the Pink Fairies and also has two quite unusual pieces on it. > The new "Scorched Earth" album (which I think is mainly Frond Folx, plus a > few F&R, under pseudonyms) is pretty outstanding too. And Acid Jam 2 also! > Definitely get this one! I haven't heard the Fred Bison V thingy, which is > another 'spinoff' (note the anagram). What's that like, anybody? And > there's the live Country Joe concert w/ Frond backing, if you like his stuff. I'd also be interested in opinions of the Fred Bison V stuff. The Scorched Earth album has just finished as I type and is great; Blue Cheer with a slightly more Frond edge to the sound. One or two riffs pounded into the floor. I still feel kind of cheated however as Nick said at the first inklings of this album that he was going to exorcise his Sabbath and Monster Magnet dmons and it really doesn't sound as if he has. I think that he still has that album to make and I wish he would :-) Personnel on _Fed To Your Head_ are, I believe, Nick Saloman (The Horse), Paul Simmons of The Alchemysts (The Snake) and Andy Ward of the Frond (Pharaoh), plus two guest spots from Bari Watts of Outskirts of Infinity. I think Adrian Shaw produced it but I may be wrong about that. Yours, Jon ObCD: Scorched Earth - _Fed To Your Head_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 16 19:33:56 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:33:56 +0100 Subject: Canterbury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Craig Shipley wrote: [Osibisa] > I was very fond of this band back in the early '70's, having first heard > them in a disco in Ankara, Turkey. The fact that the first two LP covers > were done by Roger Dean might have also had something to do with it. Also > enjoyed their contribution to Uriah Heeps' LOOK AT YOURSELF title track > (three percussionist guested). Found a little classic fun cover tune on > Napster by them a few months ago, "The Coffee Song", also covered by Stan > Ridgway on his hard-to-find covers CD, "The Way I Feel Today". Didn't know > that they were still active... Active they certainly were but I think time has taken away their novelty. They were at their most interesting when there was nothing but percussion going on; I'm not convinced I'd recognise any of their songs again, even the `hit' and I didn't particularly like them. Quite competent but for me coming to them now, it doesn't sound that unusual or inventive. > > Porcupine Tree - well, I really tried to like these guys, having been told > > many times by others in these here parts how good they were, but... Yes, > > they were technically capable, and there was nothing actually "bad" about > > them, but I thought that they exemplified the worst pretentious excesses > > that gave "prog" a bad name, and Steve Wilson(?) seems to be so far up his > > own fundament that he's in danger of choking on his own hair and getting > > his specs wrapped round his tonsils: all in all, too precious by half... > > > I think that the key word here is "were". PT _was_ good, up until STUPID > DREAM. I have tried and tried to like that release and LIGHTBULB SUN, but > they just don't have the appeal that the classic PT releases have. Like > Chris said, the band is technically competent and there is nothing really > bad about them, but the creative weirdness and spark is gone, replaced by an > AOR desire for a "hit". All the best luck to Steven Wilson and crew, but I > think that I have spent my last dime on them... (Richard Barbieri is an > excellent keyboardist; check out his work with the band Japan, especially > the first one, ADOLESCENT SEX. A little punky and if you have never heard > David Sylvan's vocals from that period, you will be shocked at the > difference, but highly recommended...) I think it's safe to say that Chris would find something to like about _Up the Downstair_ or the complete _Voyage 34_. I only wish there was any real relation between that and the current material. I can actually find time for the new stuff, _Lightbulb Sun_ much more than _Stupid Dream_, and I think there's the seeds of something more exciting there yet but at the moment I agree with Craig; their interesting light is firmly dimmed. They're always _good_ and I thoroughly enjoy Steven's playing every time I go and see them; I have to remember afresh each exposure to it why I love them, but they don't seem to be doing it for fun now and that's deadly dull to watch. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 16 18:35:05 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:35:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: JJ recalls from the distant past... :) >> Yep. I like "Sprawl" the best, though haven't heard them all. The Live >> album Doug mentions would be my second recommendation. The early albums, >> like "Inner Marshland" and "Triptych" are pretty muddily recorded, so >> consider that if it's important to you. > > I should say of course that of the few Frond albums I have >_Triptych_ is undeniably my favourite because of `Tangerine Infringement >Beak' and `Hey Joe'... :-) I was mistaken when I mentioned "Triptych"...the one I was actually thinking of was "Miasma." I don't actually own "Triptych" so I can't comment on it. >> The new "Scorched Earth" album (which I think is mainly Frond Folx, plus a >> few F&R, under pseudonyms) is pretty outstanding too. And Acid Jam 2 also! >> Definitely get this one! I haven't heard the Fred Bison V thingy, which is >> another 'spinoff' (note the anagram). What's that like, anybody? And >> there's the live Country Joe concert w/ Frond backing, if you like his >>stuff. > > I'd also be interested in opinions of the Fred Bison V stuff. I think Doug posted about it after I had asked, so perhaps you'll come across that message next month some time. :) > Personnel on _Fed To Your Head_ are, I believe, Nick Saloman (The >Horse), Paul Simmons of The Alchemysts (The Snake) and Andy Ward of the >Frond (Pharaoh), plus two guest spots from Bari Watts of Outskirts of >Infinity. I think Adrian Shaw produced it but I may be wrong about >that. Yours, That all sounds about right, from what I'm hearing. Grakkl (FAA) From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 16 19:57:17 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:57:17 EDT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: Dr. Frond is seriously worth checking out. More straightforward than Bevis Frond but still smokin bob From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Oct 16 23:18:28 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:18:28 EDT Subject: BOC as part of "Python Prog Parody" Message-ID: Someone posted this on rec.music.progressive NG, should get a few laughs... Chuck Man walks into record shop. Man: Good day stout yeoman, I'm looking for a number of record titles today. Record Shop Assistant: You've come to the right place. We have the largest selection of progressive compact discs in the district! Man: Do you have "the Sage Investment of Mrs. Frankenstein's Castle" by the Blue Ulster Cult? RSA: Ah, no, but we DO have the "Siege and Investiture of Frankenstein's Castle" by the Blue Oyster Cult. Man: No, I want the "Sage Investment of Mrs. Frankenstein's Castle" by the Blue Ulster Cult, the well known Belfast rock ensemble. RSA: Ah, well, we don't have that one. Man: Not to trouble yourself. How about "Hamburgerhelper Concerto" by Fokkus. RSA: You mean "Hamburger Concerto" by Focus, the well known Dutch rock group? Man: NO, I mean "Hamburgerhelper Concerto" by Fokkus. That's Fokkus with two K's, the superb Finnish symphonic group. This one's the rare warmed over version. RSA: Well, in that case, we don't have it. Man: Funny, you've got a lot of CDs here. RSA: Finest in the district! But why don't you try Tower Records. Man: I did, they sent me here. Ah, do you have. RSA (becoming animated): Go ahead, try anything, we have an amazing selection of CDs! Man: Cobaia with a C? RSA: No! Man: "Return to the Center of Controversy" by Nick Hakeman? RSA: NO!! Man: How about "Me and the Perfect AuPair" by Kaeng Crimson? That's K-A-E-N-G Crimson, the fabulously famous, Thai Rock Quartet. RSA: Nawww oooo! We don't have that one. And perhaps to save time we don't have anything by Crim Kungsun, the Korea duo, nor do we have Cds done by Sing Sungphon Poo, the Tibetan prog group. AND WE are right OUT of Chin Ringsee, the Hong Kong, avant-garde artist! Man: Do you have. RSA: NO, I'm sorry, we're closing now. Man: Wait, wait. I saw it over there. RSA: Wa---. Man: King Crimson. The Night Watch. RSA: K-I-N-G C-R-I-M-S-O-N. Man: Yes. RSA: T-H-E N-I-G-H-T W-A-T-C-H. Man: Yes. RSA: Ah, in that case, we have it. Here's your CD, now buy it! Man: The Expurgated Version. RSA (exasperated surprise): The Expurgated version? Man: Yes, that's the one without Bobby Fripp. RSA (going ballistic): the one without Bobby Fripp, they've all got Bobby Fripp, he's the brains behind King Crimson! Man: Well, I don't like him. he...he isn't very animated on stage. RSA collapses behind register in paroxysms of despair. Man (meekly): I'll settle for the remastered version? [Record Industry Statement: It has come to the attention of many of our industry professionals that prog fans everywhere are mistreating staff by their unreasonable requests. We sincerely doubt that many of your requests actually exist. We are not really in the business of sending our people on endless goosechases to find the "world's most obscure" items. We would ask that you please refrain from persecuting staff. ] From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 03:22:07 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:22:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is anything planned for Passport Holders on this tour? Or if any help is required? Dave From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Oct 17 03:35:37 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:35:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule _The Deep End, Vol. 1_ pre-order In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My pre-order has already gone in :) Cheers, Carl From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 17 03:32:25 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:32:25 +0400 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: > According to Mission control this should be out now, that might be > so, but by which company and through which distributor and with which > songlist ? Everything like on Astoria concert, only without Hippy. Alice From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 16 20:18:50 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:18:50 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <3BCC4A2F.30899.1A9AC94@localhost> Message-ID: At 19:54 16/10/01, you wrote: >On 16 Oct 2001, at 19:13, Mark Edmonds wrote: > > > Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string > > instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was working on > > the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine is his guitar > > and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. > >They DO exist, but few and far between, and nothing mass- >produced... Hawaiian guitars? Lap/pedal steels. Some Nationals... But all you needs that little glass/steel cylinder on yer 3rd/4th finger!!!! >Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? > >theo 'Nuff said!!! Or just push dem strings across the fretboard ChrisW NP: The Nightfly/Donald Fagen From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 07:12:43 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:12:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: It is a pity that they missed off Hippy. I cannot understand why they keep doing that; Love In Space had 2 tracks missing (The Golden Void and Lord of Light) and now this one has 1 track missing. Why can't they release the whole gig? COLIN From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 07:16:51 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:16:51 -0400 Subject: Off: Acid Mothers Temple and Circle at The Spitz Message-ID: Did anyone else from the list go to this gig in London last night? I went down with Nick M and it was such a good gig. Circle came on first. These guys really know how to play one note and it was fascinating to watch them move about or stand completely still like weird statues. The audience loved them. They were so good I was ready to get my coat and go home. AMT were more Led Zep type rock music that gradually transforms into a wall of sound and before you know it you are lstening to a load of long haired Japanese guys freaking out. The thing about this gig was that it was a really good combination of support and main acts. Both bands were brilliant and have their own well defined sound. The highlight for me was Circle though. I prefer the simple hypnotic riffs rather than the more complex rock music and I will certainly be investigating this band further. Alastair. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 17 07:24:31 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:24:31 -0400 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <3BCC4A2F.30899.1A9AC94@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: => Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? I'm no guitarist by a long chalk, but what about um... bending the strings, too? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 17 07:45:41 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:45:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: New dbl CD Message-ID: A tad harsh. NMC/Pilot are a label who have been buying up radio broadcasts and issuing them on CD. All are legit, however in most cases the band won't get a penny, as the copyright was owned by the broadcasters, ususlly US radio stations. Z BOC CD Shoppe http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=BLUE_OYSTER_CULT&s=1151 >>>From: "" Subject: Re: BOC: New dbl CD Eric just posted on AOL that the new double CD was a rip-off and a boot. chuck From micci at SCI.FI Wed Oct 17 07:48:01 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:48:01 +0300 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: >> According to Mission control this should be out now, that might be >> so, but by which company and through which distributor and with which >> songlist ? > >Everything like on Astoria concert, only without Hippy. ?? Why? Sad, Hippy is my favourite. How about recording level, clear or awful? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 17 07:52:28 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:52:28 EDT Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011017011523.009fb080@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: On 17 Oct 2001, at 1:18, Chris Warburton wrote: > At 19:54 16/10/01, you wrote: > >On 16 Oct 2001, at 19:13, Mark Edmonds wrote: > > > > > Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string > > > instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was > > > working on the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine > > > is his guitar and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. > > > >They DO exist, but few and far between, and nothing mass- > >produced... > > Hawaiian guitars? Lap/pedal steels. Some Nationals... > But all you needs that little glass/steel cylinder on yer 3rd/4th > finger!!!! > > >Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? > > > >theo > > 'Nuff said!!! > Or just push dem strings across the fretboard > And...lest we forget that there are fretted microtonal instruments as well. G&L make a guitar with a microtonal fretboard offered in several different intervals. Not a proprietary design. They worked with another luthier who came up with the idea... theo From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 08:00:39 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:00:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: >How about recording level, clear or awful? Superb recording. The bass that comes in on the Electronic intro was greated with great delight by my subwoofer. The audience are way down in the mix, and everything sounds "full frequency". Hippy would be the icing on the cake, but Damage of life is exceptional. GARY ----- Original Message ----- From: Miikka Wagner To: Sent: 17 October 2001 12:48 Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > >> According to Mission control this should be out now, that might be > >> so, but by which company and through which distributor and with which > >> songlist ? > > > >Everything like on Astoria concert, only without Hippy. > > ?? Why? Sad, Hippy is my favourite. How about recording level, clear or awful? > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > > Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > email: finn.wind at sci.fi > From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 08:28:02 2001 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:28:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Yes, plugging a digital 24 bit, 24 track hard drive recorder into the monitor mixing desk works wonders for a live recording. The icing on the cake for me would have been a microphone to pick up the audience reaction between songs, but I agree about the Damage of Life comment. Neil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerberus" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > >How about recording level, clear or awful? > > Superb recording. The bass that comes in on the Electronic intro was > greated with great delight by my subwoofer. The audience are way down in > the mix, and everything sounds "full frequency". Hippy would be the icing > on the cake, but Damage of life is exceptional. > > GARY > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 09:28:41 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:28:41 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011017011523.009fb080@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: > > > At 19:54 16/10/01, you wrote: > >On 16 Oct 2001, at 19:13, Mark Edmonds wrote: > > > > > Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string > > > instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was working on > > > the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine is his guitar > > > and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. > > > >They DO exist, but few and far between, and nothing mass- > >produced... > > Hawaiian guitars? Lap/pedal steels. Some Nationals... > But all you needs that little glass/steel cylinder on yer 3rd/4th > finger!!!! > > >Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? > > > >theo > > 'Nuff said!!! > Or just push dem strings across the fretboard I have one word to say. "Vibrato". Thank you. I needed that off my chest. :-) Cheers, Rich. OB Toon - Godzilla by Fighting Gravity. (Ska BOC cover - fantastic!) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 17 11:48:28 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (twatboyee) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:48:28 -0600 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders In-Reply-To: <001001c156dc$6e608e20$7a48893e@default> Message-ID: "Does anyone know if there is anything planned for Passport Holders on this tour? Or if any help is required?" Dave Not just yet, but I heard privately there will be a special BOC-L member one-off T-Shirt apple bob.......in a backstage restroom facility...... m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 17 12:26:39 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:26:39 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Bevis-Twink Magic Eye In-Reply-To: Message-ID: saw Jon J. mention this.....had it for years on vinyl...... does this exist on CD? any browser directional pointers? thank you entirely mike c From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 17 11:29:17 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:29:17 +0100 Subject: (OFF) Bevis-Twink Magic Eye In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, mike c wrote: > saw Jon J. mention this.....had it for years on vinyl...... > > does this exist on CD? Not really very helpful, but we've (OK< Jon's) got it on vinyl, so I'd guess not. -- Kirsten Procter ghoti nina mashine fedha From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 11:30:20 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:30:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: The recording is excellent. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 13:25:23 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:25:23 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: > Mark Edmonds wrote: > > > Not sure I subscribe to that myself. I agree about the common chord > > sequences used in a lot of songs but narrow tonal intervals ? I'll bet the > > Hawks would have got a muted response if they had played Silver Machine in a > > quarter tone scale - interesting thought though! Anyway, fact is that unless > > you want to reinvent the electric guitar, you're stuck with semi-tones and > > surely the obvious harmonic root of all Hawkwind is "blues", not Eastern? - > > just think of Dave's busking songs. > > > > Mark > > Thank you Ben! Having apologised for my sins, on with the show. Never mind Eastern and Blues, what about nursery rhymes? In common with many great jazz (and other) improvisers, Brock from time to time is forced to dig deep and throw in a little line remembered in the earliest recesses, like the "ne-ne ne ner-ner" lines in Orgone Accumulator. Far from detracting I think this adds wit and humour to songs and performances, imo taking bands like the Hawks out of the dreary run-of-the-mill metal rut inhabited by so many bands (not that Hawkwind could, also imo, ever have trudged such dull furrows) and into a world where a touch of hilarity brightens otherwise dull afternoons. f rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 13:44:07 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:44:07 +0100 Subject: Unreserved appology Message-ID: Chris Gibbs wrote: > Hi ya, > > Turning message headers on... > > I now realise the messages sent to me by f.rat distorting my views > regarding paedeophilia were sent to me personlly not to this news > group... > > At first I thought I'd made a mistake, then I got a second message from > him, realised what he had done and then thinking you will all think I'm > a nonce I freaked out > > Sorry everyone. > > Chris > -- > Self Test for Paranoia: > You know you have it when you can't think of anything that's > your own fault. I apologise too. I had not intended to misrepresent your views on paedohilia - this message was sent personally to you alone after you had posted portions of my private mails on the newsgroup. I simply wondered how you would feel about having parts of your private life twisted a little and put on public display. I am so very sorry. f rat (paraphrase - "nothing more to say at this juncture") From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Oct 17 13:46:18 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:46:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: twatboyee To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > "Does anyone know if there is anything planned for Passport Holders on this > tour? Or if any help is required?" > Dave > > Not just yet, but I heard privately there will be a special BOC-L member > one-off T-Shirt apple bob.......in a backstage restroom facility...... > > m HaHaHaHaHaHaHaa Run this by me sometime Mikey. Tone Hawkwind Passport Department From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 17 14:03:37 2001 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:03:37 -0400 Subject: BOC as part of "Python Prog Parody" Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 17 15:10:09 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:10:09 -0600 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders In-Reply-To: <00b201c15734$d429a720$501028d5@starfield> Message-ID: Dear Tone I have been lingering around a personal response (wanted to do a good one) After I get all ID'd, and rosey and fresh, I'll make my way over eventually, and when I do, in good spirit of my sins, I'll participate in that toilet bob...... but I *do* expect a silly shirt if I grab one.... love tw*tboyEEE From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 14:12:32 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:12:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: twatboyee > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > > > > > Not just yet, but I heard privately there will be a special BOC-L member > > one-off T-Shirt apple bob.......in a backstage restroom facility...... > > > > m > > HaHaHaHaHaHaHaa > > Run this by me sometime Mikey. > > Tone > Hawkwind Passport Department Hows about a backstage dry t-shirt competition for the terminally shy? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 17 15:36:23 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:36:23 -0400 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:25:23 +0100, f. rat wrote: >Thank you Ben! Having apologised for my sins, on with the show. >Never mind Eastern and Blues, what about nursery rhymes? Good call! "Needle Gun" (if you don't know what I'm referring to, consider yourself fortunate!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Oct 17 15:45:50 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:45:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: We are thinking of having a competition for Hawkwind passport holders, which, in the spirit of the financial cutbacks, would mean that the winner gets to put Huwy up for the night. The loser gets Tim Blake. ----- Original Message ----- From: f. rat To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: twatboyee > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > > > > > > > > Not just yet, but I heard privately there will be a special BOC-L member > > > one-off T-Shirt apple bob.......in a backstage restroom facility...... > > > > > > m > > > > HaHaHaHaHaHaHaa > > > > Run this by me sometime Mikey. > > > > Tone > > Hawkwind Passport Department > > Hows about a backstage dry t-shirt competition for the terminally shy? From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 17 09:14:02 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:14:02 +0400 Subject: HW: The Alman Mulo Band Message-ID: Hello! I'm curious what this band sound like and what is the involvement of Harvey here? thanks, Alice From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 16:12:11 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:12:11 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:25:23 +0100, f. rat wrote: > >Thank you Ben! Having apologised for my sins, on with the show. > >Never mind Eastern and Blues, what about nursery rhymes? > > Good call! > > "Needle Gun" > > (if you don't know what I'm referring to, consider yourself fortunate!) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com "Watch out I'm gonna make you run, with my needle, needle needle gun" (Can't think of a nursery theme in the music. Been a while since I heard it tho'). Actually, makes me think of the Goons. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 17:21:10 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:21:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: Nah, the loser gets sent to the Greasy Truckers gig (oops - ducking again!) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 October 2001 20:48 Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders >We are thinking of having a competition for Hawkwind passport holders, >which, in the spirit of the financial cutbacks, would mean that the winner >gets to put Huwy up for the night. > >The loser gets Tim Blake. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: f. rat >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:12 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > > >> "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: twatboyee >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:48 PM >> > Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders >> > >> > > >> > > Not just yet, but I heard privately there will be a special BOC-L >member >> > > one-off T-Shirt apple bob.......in a backstage restroom facility...... >> > > >> > > m >> > >> > HaHaHaHaHaHaHaa >> > >> > Run this by me sometime Mikey. >> > >> > Tone >> > Hawkwind Passport Department >> >> Hows about a backstage dry t-shirt competition for the terminally shy? > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 17:31:08 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:31:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock on-line Message-ID: Is the recent Qand A session with Dave available on Mission Control - I can't find it. Dave From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 17 17:18:37 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:18:37 +0400 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: > It is a pity that they missed off Hippy. I cannot understand why they keep > doing that; Love In Space had 2 tracks missing (The Golden Void and Lord of > Light) and now this one has 1 track missing. Why can't they release the > whole gig? I guess it's because Hippy was bad played there. The bass and vocals were very high during the song from what that I've heard on the audience recording. So maybe they just couldn't edit it in studio. Alice From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 17 17:23:07 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:23:07 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep 'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? the original lp remastered? 16 page booklet? nobody interested? nobody aware of it? bobm From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 17 17:23:28 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:23:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock on-line In-Reply-To: <000f01c15753$0a284d40$731d883e@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, dave hall wrote: :Subject: HW: Dave Brock on-line : :Is the recent Qand A session with Dave available on Mission Control - I can't find it. : :Dave Dave, I don't think Rik has gotten it up yet, but you can find the nasty transcript that I posted at: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R4013 thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 17 17:23:33 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:23:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Hmmm...given the recording technology that they use I would have thought that it would have been quite easy to remix the track to something acceptable. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Ritual > > It is a pity that they missed off Hippy. I cannot understand why they > keep > > doing that; Love In Space had 2 tracks missing (The Golden Void and Lord > of > > Light) and now this one has 1 track missing. Why can't they release the > > whole gig? > > I guess it's because Hippy was bad played there. The bass and vocals were > very high during the song from what that I've heard on the audience > recording. So maybe they just couldn't edit it in studio. > > Alice > From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Oct 17 18:31:58 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:31:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence In-Reply-To: <4b.12c11a64.28ff50bb@aol.com> Message-ID: I've already exceeded my recorded music quota for this month, though I'd probably succumb if I saw it... ChrisW NP: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Thanks, Ben) At 22:23 17/10/01, you wrote: >wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep >'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? the original lp >remastered? 16 page booklet? nobody interested? nobody aware of it? >bobm From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Wed Oct 17 19:01:34 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:01:34 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: A Life as song Message-ID: How does one come to appreciate life? I don't know about you (and sometimes, I don't know about me either), but Music has always been one of the most reliable "answers" to such a Question. On October 8th, frined and family gathered at Don hill's to savor how closely music and life can get. Pictures of a smiling Billy Hilfiger sporting a white T shirt with a Union jack adorned by "The Who" were made more intense by his standing in the foreground of the World Trade Center. His passing heightened and added , for me at least, as great personal depth to the ordeals that NY and the Pentagon faced that day in September. While writing this, it struck me that when all is said and done, people will remember the good times more often than the bad. The concert which went from 9ish that Monday and well into the wee small hours of Tuesday turned those feelings of good will well past "Eleven" on the Marshall stacks of the soul. Reading on, you'll see why. To commence the festivities, The Brain Surgeons - Albert, Deborah, and David - were slated to lead the sonic assault on the crisp New York Night. Instead of the intrepd trio taking the stage, Albert strapped into a guitar and was joined by his brother Joe on electric guitar to perform one of the finest examples of Billy's ability as a songwriter, "Billy's Song." It was sung and played with joy and assuredness that in the hours that stretched out ahead that night was truly "home's sweet comfort." But there was no "fade away", as Albert then resumed the drummer's throne for the band fully assembled to play "Last Angry Woman," an excellent smirkier-than-Bo-Diddley-could-ever-be verbal play on Who Do You Love. For my money (sure, I got in free but cliches are there to be used) this was THE raunchiest, most in-your-face take of the song my ears have been graced by. Deb's guitar playing took the riff for everything it was and Dave's bass upped the rhythmic agression of Albert exponentially too. Sure this sounds like an exercise in hyperbole on my part, but to put it simply, IT ROCKED. (cough). In the wake of the last chord Deborah regaled the audience with the tale of how she met Billy at an Iron Maiden Show while Joe Bouchard again donned the 6 string for tBS's take on Godzilla, complete with the oft heard"Billy!" "Hilfiger!" call and response middle section and a slightly different set of lyrics (grin). Like his 1950's counterpart, 'twas a grand stomp through one of the coolest riffs around. And so ended the set. The End. Wait! don't stop reading yet!! The X Brothers had two special guests on stage with them in their set - two former Clarkson University students who played in The Disciples... what were their names? Oh Yeah, Donald and Albert. The former on guitar and A. Bouchard on vocals. You read that right, you zany BOC fans. ("so what did they play, J?") With this addition settled stagewise, The Cult Brothers incinerated marshmallows at 5000 feet with "Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll" and some obscure hit tune called "(Don't Fear) the Reaper" feat. the sound of cowbell the way God intended. My jaw didnt just draw to the floor folks, EVERYONE'S jaw fell through the floor. They were somewhere most players can't imagine getting to. Now do you understand the importance of just one life to the world? Take a moment to catch your breath. I did. You can, too! In the Wow of the moment that followed those two songs, Don Hill's stage was re-set for Corky Laing and Leslie West: Mountain. Leslie, in between a first song that I didn't recognize described his relationship with Billy and meeting him for the first time prior to a re-done "Theme From an Imaginary Western." Though written by those associated with Cream, the lyrics captured well what it felt like to bear witness to the atmosphere of the room and its packed dance floor (some danced, some bobbed with great restraint, some exhausted themselves as much as possible, but all were in the pocket of the moment). The capper for the Mountain set was something else I never thought I'd hear, "Mississippi Queen;" it was LOUD, rowdy, everything that Classic Rock radio often forgets about the songs it accepts into its canon. Who knew one guitar could scream that loudly?? Next up on the roster was King Flux, with Richie Stotts of the Plasmatics on guitar and Marky Ramone on Drums. For those of you not quite in the know, This was a band Billy was a part of and had made a cassette EP , "kings of the road", in days gone by. In this present, they played two songs by a band that figured Heavily into the record collection and guitar style of Billy Hilfiger. The Rolling Stones were massive influence on a lot of folks, and Billy especially. Let me put it this way: the spirit of the entire night was the closest I've come to hearing the youthful, unabashed glee in showing off his guitar signed by one of the Glimmer Twins one cold night in Postdam. King Flux punkified the alrady-punky "Jumping Jack Flash" and "The Last Time." During the multi-minute breaks between acts the assembled friends and relations still had fun as (a bit too loud) PA system played a good mix of rock and roll from that era -- "Dead Flowers" by the Stones (good singin' Dave!) and Bowie's "Suffagette City." And at this point, thanks to Joe (Sardo) for snapping a picture of me and D.Roeser. Good stuff. I still can't believe i used the word hyperbole in talking to him. Ah, Youth... Speaking of which, Bouchard, Dunaway, Smith pummelled our ears with 2 Alice Cooper tracks, "Under My Wheels" and something else which I haven't heard before (better buy the disc!) to reach a shattering conclusion with Helen Wheels' "Fallen Angel." It was similar in style to the version on "To Helen With Love" but was characterized by the three-piece REally taking this song to its limits. If you thought the studio take was good, what I heard that strange amazing Monday was paint peelingly good. Helen and Billy MUST have been smiling widely at all these displays of comraderie and celebration. to be continued... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 17 17:27:20 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:27:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: >wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep >'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? the original lp >remastered? 16 page booklet? nobody interested? nobody aware of it? >bobm I'm interested...wasn't aware of it. There was a series of 'remastered' MH discs (some w/ bonus tracks I think) two or three years ago, but I wasn't particularly interested, 'cause what the hell difference does it make if MH is remastered or not? :) And I don't care for buying the same album three or four times over. But I would be interested if there was a CD released that had that entire NSTH concert included, assuming of course that it was all from one performance - sounds like it anyway. Sort of like what we hoped the Live '79 double would be, but sadly wasn't. I still remember buying that album from the 'new releases' rack in a New Castle, PA record store (the only cool one near my hometown) at the age of 16 or so, having recently been introduced to Space Ritual and then thinking, "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CRAP?!" Well, since then, it's become one of my favorite albums. And it was *VERY COOL* to see the Bomber fly again at the Academy on 10/22/00. Grakkl (FAA) From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Oct 17 20:50:52 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:50:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hype wanted (book that is) Message-ID: Hi ya, Does anyone want to swap a copy of Robert Calverts "Hype" (book not album) for a copy of "The Time Of The Hawklords" and "Queens Of Deleria", both paperback, both used but OK condition? If no one wants to swap does anyone know how to obtain "Hype"? Chris -- "All snakes who wish to remain in Ireland will please raise their right hands." -- Saint Patrick From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Oct 17 20:59:03 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:59:03 +0100 Subject: HW: The Alman Mulo Band Message-ID: Hi ya, Alice wrote: > > Hello! > > I'm curious what this band sound like and what is the involvement of Harvey > here? > Don't remember Harvey, they are bloody good... IMHO well worth it!!! Then again I don't remember Ozrics being in Amon Duul, until I look on credits of Dire Losung -- "All snakes who wish to remain in Ireland will please raise their right hands." -- Saint Patrick From buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 17 22:29:36 2001 From: buzzardo7777 at HOTMAIL.COM (Rus Hall) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:29:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Python Prog Rebuttal Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 17 22:51:49 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:51:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead: why remaster? why indeed! Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2001 6:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > 'cause what the hell difference does it make if MH > is remastered or not? oh ho ho ho...wait just a minute...the remaster of 'another perfect day' is a revalation; as is iron fist, the former opening up like a freaking flower and revealing just how much robbo there was on that record; the latter awakening the dirt missing from the lp master. couldn't disagree more. But I would be interested if there was a CD released that had that entire NSTH concert included, assuming of course that it was all from one performance - well, it wasn't-- 'iron horse', in fact, comes from leeds the year before. there's are also a song or two recorded during a sound check, doctored with crowd noise...oops!! new remaster includes recordings from various gigs around the same time as those used on the final lp. wore a motorhead tshirt to a stereo shop circa 1982/3, turned around and took my money elsewhere when the 'salesperson' said "well if you listen to THAT (pointing to my shirt and smiling), what difference does it make? HAHAHA...Now then..." and he lost the store about 1,000 dollrs of business and lost himself whatever comission he would have made. bobm From grodog at PACBELL.NET Wed Oct 17 23:03:25 2001 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:03:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Covers All Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > > There was a Sabalon Glitz 7" that preceded the CD. I also have, somewhere, > > a live tape of SG doing "Spirit of the Age" in a very techno/trance-type > > version that sounds similar to one of the Astralasia remixes (except that > > this was recorded before those remixes were released). > > Which you fortunately included in our HW Covers All tape-set. > Speaking of which--in retrospect, which tunes on said set are > people's favorites? I'd have to go back and listen to them again, to determine that. After making all of those duplicates, it has been quite some time since I've listened to the collection ;-> > still a bit resentful that my suggested title of "Returning Volumes > of Sound" was never used for any of the tapes... :) Chuck I think I have to take the blame for that one, iirc.... No hard feelings I hope, Chuck :-o :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 02:17:01 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:17:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Motorhead: why remaster? why indeed! In-Reply-To: <103.ab3ade3.28ff9dc5@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be getting it as a result of this..... mike From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 18 03:43:16 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:43:16 +0100 Subject: Off: Acid Mothers Temple and Circle at The Spitz Message-ID: ah yes - it's good to see Circle getting recognition - I've been extolling their virtues through CDS for nearly four years and it's a shame that so much of the early albums are now deleted. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:16 PM Subject: Off: Acid Mothers Temple and Circle at The Spitz The highlight for me was Circle though. I prefer the simple > hypnotic riffs rather than the more complex rock music and I will certainly > be investigating this band further. > > Alastair. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 18 03:49:14 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:49:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: oohh - forgot to say - there's a fantastic Motorhead DVD coming out of last year's anniversary concert, plus archive footage and it's in a DVD case and a CD case for those collectors - it's out in two weeks or so, we can't do a mail-out so if anyone wants it (and forgive me for doing this like this through the group), please place pre-orders the usual way. More info on it when I return (off down south for 4 days now) for thise that need more. Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence > I've already exceeded my recorded music quota for this month, though I'd > probably succumb if I saw it... > ChrisW > NP: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > (Thanks, Ben) > At 22:23 17/10/01, you wrote: > >wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep > >'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? the original lp > >remastered? 16 page booklet? nobody interested? nobody aware of it? > >bobm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 18 04:28:44 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:28:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:23:07 EDT, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep >'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? The one I saw in the store (copyright 2001) had 3 bonus tracks, 2 previously unreleased (the other was the live B-side version of "Over the Top"). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 18 04:33:40 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:33:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Velvet Underwear Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:25:42 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >Review from Alternative Press... > >V.U. Bootleg Series Volume 1: The Quine Tapes >Rating: 9 out of 10 >Synopsis: A rare portrait of one of rock's most important and >influential groups Oh man! This is amazing! (VU fans on the list, please drop me a private email) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com on: Velvet Underground, bootleg series vol.1 "Femme Fatale" (Family Dog, San Francisco 11/7/69) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 05:52:03 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:52:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence In-Reply-To: <200110180828.EAA21990@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Doug P wrote: <<"The one I saw in the store (copyright 2001) had 3 bonus tracks, 2 previously unreleased (the other was the live B-side version of "Over the>Top")".>> ok..I gotta add more......is this part of the paper digipak-reissues, and do they all contain bonus tracks, and are they same as the god-knows-how-many-times- earlier Jewel case reissues???? (seems like there has been 2 UK sets and 2 USA ones already??)(I had to stop, couldn't take it anymore) I love grabbing all the different MH comps and such, and they *usually* sound a little varying..but megod I'm tired of rebuying the classics......are these remastered differently than the already remastered ones????? sorry folks, I need to join another list like a hole in the head, and Lemmy is related...... MH talk is quite appreciated by ListTw*t!.... From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 04:58:45 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:58:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence In-Reply-To: <200110172243.SAA21171@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I thought NSTH was recorded at Hammersmith Odeon and Leeds? But that could just be the hangover blurring my memory... :-) Cheers, Rich. > > But I would be interested if there was a CD released that had that entire > NSTH concert included, assuming of course that it was all from one > performance - sounds like it anyway. Sort of like what we hoped the Live > '79 double would be, but sadly wasn't. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 05:03:13 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:03:13 +0100 Subject: Python Prog Rebuttal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF!!!!!!!!! People are looking at me strangely in the office as I wipe the tears from my eyes. THANK YOU!!! I shall post this to the Beer Powered Noise Frenzy list forthwith (if that's OK!) Cheers, Rich. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rus Hall Sent: 18 October 2001 03:30 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Python Prog Rebuttal CUSTOMER: Good Morning. OWNER: Good morning, Sir. Welcome to the National CD Emporium! CUSTOMER: Ah, thank you, my good man. OWNER: What can I do for you, Sir? CUSTOMER: Well, I was, uh, sitting behind the public library on Thurmon Street just now rolling a joint with some Norwegian Blue, and I noticed the absence of blanga. OWNER: Blanga, sir? CUSTOMER: Space songs. OWNER: Eh? CUSTOMER: Tunage! I need tunes!! OWNER: Ah, music! CUSTOMER: In a nutshell. And I thought to myself, "a little progressive rock might do the trick," so, I curtailed my rolling activities, sallied forth, and infiltrated your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some digital music data! OWNER: Come again? CUSTOMER: I want to buy some CDs. 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CUSTOMER: What a *senseless* waste of human life. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Oct 18 05:29:15 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:29:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: Possibly because the other tracks are bootleg quality recordings from another set of gigs from Fast Eddies private collection, rather than actually issuing a complete recording of the Hammersmith gig, instead of the mix of gigs that Hammersmith actually is? And because Lemmy is not a happy man about it? Just guessing. But if you really, really want it, URL is below. Stuart http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=MOTORHEAD&s=1151 >>>>> OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep 'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? the original lp remastered? 16 page booklet? nobody interested? nobody aware of it? bobm From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Oct 18 05:35:33 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 05:35:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: Well why not join up to the Motorhead Yahoo group at; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MOTORHEAD/join Stuart http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=MOTORHEAD&s=1151 >>>>> From: mike c Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Doug P wrote: <<"The one I saw in the store (copyright 2001) had 3 bonus tracks, 2 previously unreleased (the other was the live B-side version of "Over the>Top")".>> ok..I gotta add more......is this part of the paper digipak-reissues, and do they all contain bonus tracks, and are they same as the god-knows-how-many-times- earlier Jewel case reissues???? (seems like there has been 2 UK sets and 2 USA ones already??)(I had to stop, couldn't take it anymore) I love grabbing all the different MH comps and such, and they *usually* sound a little varying..but megod I'm tired of rebuying the classics......are these remastered differently than the already remastered ones????? sorry folks, I need to join another list like a hole in the head, and Lemmy is related...... MH talk is quite appreciated by ListTw*t!.... ------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 18 07:34:36 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:34:36 +0100 Subject: HW: a new remaster? In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > > and speaking of the other Captain (Rizz)......life is a dull void if you > > don't have "I CAN SEE CLEARLY NOW MY BRAIN HAS GONE" Does anyone know a source for this? FoFP From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 18 08:15:01 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:15:01 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2001 4:48:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > is this part of the paper digipak-reissues, and > do they all contain bonus tracks, and are they same as the > god-knows-how-many-times- earlier Jewel case reissues???? no this is somethimg sperate and brand new bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 18 08:16:10 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:16:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2001 5:29:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK writes: > Possibly because the other tracks are bootleg quality recordings from > another set of gigs from Fast Eddies private collection, rather than > actually issuing a complete recording of the Hammersmith gig, instead of > the mix of gigs that Hammersmith actually is? wrong!!!!!! jeez...ok, dont buy it! bobm From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 18 10:07:39 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:07:39 +0800 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > my next comment is about the "Trumpets" (and accompanying music) that was > at the VERY START of all those Gerry Anderson shows-? (didn't they all have > that little leader? here in USA at least) that music always got my > attention and made my "ears perk up" like nothing else ever- I really miss > that stuff- it used to put me in such a strange mood- and I liked being > put in that mood- my childhood- the "actual childhood" > The starts of the shows must have been different in the USA, as the start of most of the Anderson shows was usually a very spacey sound, with the sound of crashing symbols at the end (though you could be possibly thinking of the start to Fireball XL5?). William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 18 10:26:30 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:26:30 +0800 Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends Message-ID: Hi The DVD is missing one track from the previous release, Wind of Change (even though the booklet claims it's the complete show?). Also 2 track beginnings are actually in the middle of previous tracks. This one is disappointing for those reasons. William > yes - PAL and NTSC and in stock NOW (although we need more NTSC ones - gues > who didn't order enough)at CD Services (and other fine stores, I'm sure) AND > it's on VHS video tape too for those who don't have DVD yet, first time > officially on tape in the UK for years. > Andy Garibaldi > andygee at dial.pipex.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:18 AM > Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends > > > > Hi > > checking one of our local(Melbourne) record stores, I came across this :- > > http://www.gaslight.com.au/shop/product.asp?productID=751895 > > > > From looking at the cover it seems to be the Live Legends on DVD - zone 4. > > Is this what has been released in the UK ? > > > > regards > > > > Marty > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 12:02:46 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:02:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: <018501c157e0$e1e35f30$02bd3bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: The Government says it has confirmed a case of Anthrax exposure from a contaminated CD - the first such case outside the United States since 1983. The Health Minister, Tessa Jowell, said Anthrax had been discovered in a package sent from Amazon.com in the United States. He said the package had been sent to an ordinary citizen, and that four people had been exposed to the second track, ?Metal Thrashing Mad?. The US House of Representatives in Washington has been shut down until at least Monday after a vinyl disc contaminated with Anthrax was sent to the office of Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. Mr Daschle said that the Anthrax album found in his office had been posted in the US city of Atlanta on 8 September, possibly by a disgruntled teenager, bored of black bedroom walls. The album, believed to be of the ?Fistful of Metal? strain, first created in New York City in the early 1980s, had been played only once, he said, and he again pleaded for calm. Some people have been hurrying to buy anti-Anthrax CDs. Mrs Wilma Henderson of Sheffield said ?I?ve been down to Tower Records this morning, and have bought every Britney Spears and N?Synch CD I could afford. I don?t want my daughters to be in danger from this kind of terrorism.? Two other suspect recordings are also being tested for Anthrax, including ?Speak English Or Die? by the Stormtroopers of Death. "The government has the capacity and capability to deal with the situation," he said, ?however we ask the public to be vigilant, and to look out for copies of ?I am the Law?, the one with the funny b-side.? he added. In 1996, Lars Ulrich was believed to be in possession of copies of ?State of Euphoria?, as well as ?Celtic Frost? and ?Dark Angel? albums. From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 18 12:15:20 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:15:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) Message-ID: Hmm. Right. Not sure the band would find this funny. Check out www.anthrax.com. They're actually considering changing their name to something like "Basket of puppies" Now _that_ is funny :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 12:20:44 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:20:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: <200110181615.MAA18224@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > Hmm. Right. > > Not sure the band would find this funny. Check out www.anthrax.com. > > They're actually considering changing their name to something like "Basket > of puppies" > > Now _that_ is funny :-) > > I think you'll find that was a joke... :-) Cheers, R. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 13:30:33 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:30:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <002401c157de$3f34ddb0$02bd3bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: <> Hi- another lister solved it- it WAS the ITN network start-up- with the spinning logo......maybe it wasn't trumpets.,,,been a while....but I believe that list person was in UK cheers mike From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 12:38:48 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:38:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 Message-ID: Hi, Yule Ritual CD is fantastic! I'm not one who praises every HW release by a long chalk, but this one is great in almost every aspect. I was at the gig and greatly enjoyed it then, and this really has captured the gig well. As a live CD this is streets ahead of such recent ouput as Live 97, In Your Area (part), Love In Space, Business Trip, Reading 86, Live C, Complete 79, Masques Live etc (did I say "recent"?). The sound is superb, and at long last we can hear Dave B doing what he does best. I can't tell who's doing what on keyboards, so I'll just say that Tim & Keith are collectively superb. Ron's delivery of Bob's Charisma songs are excellent. Brilliant span of songs concentating on 78 - 81 with a few older ones (Sundown, Space, Sonic) and a few newer ones (Money Tree, Damage). Moorcock's delivery via telephone from Texas has additional menace due to the media used. This has refuelled my interest in the imminent tour which I was previously feeling rather indifferent about, after seeing them in April(?) at Rock City, which ranked as possibly the worst I had seen them in 50-odd times since 78. Each song has been given a new lease of life, so it in no way feels like a "best of" gig. A couple on superficial negative comments, front cover is pretty naff (the CDs themselves have better produced designs). Track listing is accurate for the first time in years, BUT the vocal credits have got way out of sync somewhere along the line. Maybe this happened when Hippy was removed and someone forgot to change the track numbers? There's a photo of Huw on the sleeve, which is strange (as he only played support (if I remember correctly)), whilst there is no photo Tim. I'll admit to getting confused about who played at which gigs of late due to the vast differences between Hawkestra, Astoria & April gig. Anyway, back to my original point, which is that this a great release which certainly lays to rest "recent" misgivings I have had about the band. Recent Canterbury & RFH reports have also been encouraging, so hopefully HW have at last found their form again and turned the vital corner. Just gotta decide which gigs to attend now. Jez From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 13:54:56 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:54:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: <200110181615.MAA18224@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: <<"They're actually considering changing their name to something like "Basket of puppies">> and it fits.....THATS the funny part! have they gigged the Bundy's living room lately? m From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 18 12:57:11 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:57:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mike c wrote: > have they gigged the Bundy's living room lately? > m NOT (Man) ;-) Brian "Back off sucker, understand? Don't you know that I'm the man?" -Anthrax From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 18 12:55:53 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:55:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) Message-ID: >I think you'll find that was a joke... I figured the new name to be a joke, but I think they're serious about changing their name, though. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 14:00:27 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:00:27 -0600 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 In-Reply-To: <000a01c157f3$96b50640$a034893e@jezd> Message-ID: <> hi JD- i got your mail and had planned to speak to you already- so your telling me I had one sent with a lame cover?? save it for me, as it's supposed to have a really cool UFO on it......... I'll swap it out, being a Kollektor (thanks Rich) (did I spell it right, or does it need a c or an e, or whatever) mike c From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Oct 18 13:05:41 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:05:41 -0700 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > < most of the Anderson shows was usually a very spacey sound, with the sound > of crashing symbols at the end (though you could be possibly thinking of the > start to Fireball XL5?). > William>> > > Hi- another lister solved it- it WAS the ITN network start-up- with the > spinning logo......maybe it wasn't trumpets.,,,been a while....but I > believe that list person was in UK > > cheers > mike Nope, that was me, and it's always been California. Wow, Fireball XL5, *that* takes me back... scorch From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 14:13:39 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:13:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mike c wrote: <<"Back off sucker, understand? Don't you know that I'm the man?" -Anthrax>> hehe- Hi Brian- just tell me you have all your chest hairs intact, unless you have noone at all.... and the chin thingie's gettin' snipped if it costs me a black eye... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 14:38:32 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:38:32 -0600 Subject: HW: a new remaster? In-Reply-To: <200110181134.MAA10831@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Does anyone know a source for this?" FoFP yup. how about a dollar in the pot from all interested parties- need another- and Mike- I'll hook you up for a 2 track cassette.... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 14:53:48 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:53:48 -0600 Subject: HW: a new remaster?-leafless tree in asia? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: get yer Captain Rizzla Ali Tree Rock 'A' Rolla Regalia here_ hasten no wastin': simontipi at btinternet.com "things that you want from your life's font" (fount):.... _m. ceiling dreaming_ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 18 13:55:29 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:55:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: mike c wrote: > hehe- Hi Brian- > > just tell me you have all your chest hairs intact, unless you have noone at > all.... I've never had a body hair discussion on BOC-L before. Lemmy's warts, sure, but not body hair. ;-) Which makes me think, has anyone here ever gone as Lemmy for Halloween? He should have his own costume kit, a la Elvira. "Lemmy(tm): comes with wart decals, Iron Cross, GravelThroat with applicator (patent pending) and cardboard Rickenbacker. Jack Daniels sold separately." Brian From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 18 13:56:09 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:56:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: CotHM opinions reprise In-Reply-To: <200108240055.UAA09488@mailgate.spc.edu>; from mvdbase@YAHOO.COM on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:55:33PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:55:33PM -0400, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > To pick up a few of other people's points before I go on, I like > >Theo's point about being a kind of _Flat Out_ 2; there's a lot fo what > >sounds like Buck-pop kicking about > > I don't get that. Well, not completely. I mean, it seems to me that HF had > _a lot_ more of Buck's poppish sounding material. OTOH, Cult... well, after > careful consideration, it seems to me like Buck's stuff is simply better > "integrated" into the BOC sound. What I mean is that up to now, you always > had all these BOC songs, and then once in a while you'd have a Buck tune > that would pop up and you would just _know_ it was Buck's right away. Now, > however... you can still feel it, but it's in the atmosphere. I'm not sure > how to describe it. It's like it's woven into the fabric of the album > itself. Granted, not throughout, but it's like it's _finally_ become part of > the BOC sound, getting mixed in with the rest. Am I making any sense?? Yes, actually. I hadn't looked at it that way but you're right. The other way to take that is that the sound of BOC as a whole has moved towards Buck's, of course, and I might take that view, but I agree with you about what the result is. > >Lots of people are saying it's unfair to expect another > >_Secret Treaties_ and that's fine, the band doesn't work like that any > >more, you won't get that white-hot stuff all fused together again. I was > >hoping for another _Cultosaurus Erectus_ personally... (my fourth > >favourite album easily). At least this isn't actually any of BOC's other > >albums done again, which would actually be pretty disappointing I suppose. > > I agree. Besides, if I'm right on my diagnosis, and if this is an ongoing > trend, I suspect it'll get less and less likely we'll ever see them attempt > to re-do one of those old classics. Which is a good thing, IMHO. Repeating > yourself can kill a band. They're still around. Personally, I'm hoping it > lasts... Oh yeah: if Eric or Buck said to me, well, we can explode the band trying to squeeze another _Imaginos_ out or we can carry on for years like that I'd take option b every time. I could just wish for more interesting material. > Well, again, I think the band is evolving. And it might be unfair to make > these kind of arguments. Besides, you can't blame the guys for using modern > technology and trying to attain a better sounding quality! That's just nuts :-) I somehow feel my point isn't getting across here :-) I have no problem with clear production, in fact although I'll put up with bad recordings quite easily recordings that should have been good and aren't (_Spectres_ and _Mirrors_ in the BOC canon, _Xenon Codex_ in Hawkwind) get right on my nerves. What I'm saying is that this one sounds great in a soft way, it has no sharpness and no edges. Everything is rounded "for your safety and comfort". > Oh, and there's no such thing as "too" perfect. In my book, you can never > achieve perfection. Only strive for it. And striving for perfection is a > _good_ thing :-) Well, if you wanna get dogmatic on me I'd say that in this case perfection, however unattainable, is composed of several different things and that Buck went too far towards only one of them with this production. But I should stop banging on about it really. > I guess it's all in tastes. To me, that great one is there, "almost perfect" > :-) "Out of the darkness," of course... Yeah, I know, I'm repeating myself. > I just love it. It's even inspired me a story I have yet to write... not > many songs do that for me. Once more an instance that people are different I guess as others have been listing that among the bad songs... I think the bext thing there is `The Old Gods Return' and that everything else is second-rate or worst. `Stone of Love' best of that lot, `Here Comes That Feeling' and `Eye of the Hurricane' close behind. None of the rest is too memorable and some is bad. For me. But though there's one first-rate song on there even _Heaven Forbid_ has one better-than-first-rate one. Although _Club Ninja_ had none and I'm not sure _Revolution by Night_ did either. > OK, before I say what I'm going to say, a couple of disclaimers: > 1) I'm not aiming this at you specifically, Jon - I've noticed the following > in many other posts too. > 2) I'm not trying to upset anyone, or start an argument, so please don't > take this the wrong way :-) > > Alright. This being said... It seems to me that a lot of people just get too > attached to some specific aspects of a band that they then try to see in all > further works, these becoming their sole (or almost) criteria for deciding > whether an album is good or not. Of course, you can do whatever you want > *grin* but I find this somewhat sad, as it can prevent the listener from > appreciating songs that might have, coming from another artist, been > perceived as very good, maybe even amazingly so in some cases. But just > because it's BOC (or another band, this can be applied to any) suddenly > makes the piece poor, sloppy, bad, whatnot. I don't get it. > > Myself, I try to detach myself as much as possible from who plays on an > album and to just listen to the songs and take them for what they are. I > either like them or I don't, regardless of past achievements and/or offenses. > > Mind you, I'm not saying this because I like Spectres or Mirrors (and, in > fact, I don't like Mirrors at all!) it's just something I've noticed on this > list, as time & posts went by, and have been wondering about it. So there > you go. Oh I freely admit to being guilty of that. I don't think it's a sin to consider good music and good BOC as separate if overlapping things though. There are things I like about BOC particularly which are why I love the band so. This record hasn't got them. I recognise that for a country rock band it would be an astounding album. I don't go looking for excellence in that genre though, because it doesn't float my personal boat. I like it a lot more than I did. But stack it up against its sisters in the racks and well, it competes poorly compared to this stuff that I love. See what I mean? Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _The Sky Moves Sideways_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 18 13:59:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going. Is anyone else and if so, shall we meet beforehand? I'm inclining towards the Shakespeare's Head on Kingsway as then I can get food beforehand. Anyone else got views? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Oct 18 13:58:07 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:58:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <200110181707.f9IH7Nt16779@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: At 18:05 18/10/01, you wrote: >Nope, that was me, and it's always been California. > >Wow, Fireball XL5, *that* takes me back... > >scorch And before that... "Supercar" ChrisW (Greying by the day) From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 14:14:26 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:14:26 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011017011523.009fb080@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: OK! Yes, you can get non-standard intervals on a conventional fretted guitar, whether stretching the strings, glass bottles, tremelo arms or even non-standard tuning. However, by the normal run of things, ie: the guitar Dave is going to have strapped round his neck for the next gig, the design of that instrument lends itself to a conventional semi-tone based scale and not some wierd gigatonic concoction. To draw an analogy with the Eastern influence business, my prime language is English and I don't think things out in French before I open my mouth and I'll bet Hawkwind think in terms of tones and semi-tones first before experimenting with other intervals. That's all I wanted to say! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Warburton > Sent: 17 October 2001 01:19 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF/HW: double bass...who's on first? what's on second? > > > At 19:54 16/10/01, you wrote: > >On 16 Oct 2001, at 19:13, Mark Edmonds wrote: > > > > > Yes, obviously you can go micro-tonal with non-fretted string > > > instruments (most violinists do that by default!) but I was working on > > > the assumption that Dave's prime musical ideas machine is his guitar > > > and I've never heard of a fretless 6 string. > > > >They DO exist, but few and far between, and nothing mass- > >produced... > > Hawaiian guitars? Lap/pedal steels. Some Nationals... > But all you needs that little glass/steel cylinder on yer 3rd/4th > finger!!!! > > >Oh yeah...Any of you guys heard of a gadget called a whammy bar? > > > >theo > > 'Nuff said!!! > Or just push dem strings across the fretboard > > ChrisW > NP: The Nightfly/Donald Fagen From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 18 14:21:39 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:21:39 +0100 Subject: RE;ANTHRAX Message-ID: watch out all you naugty powder sniffers, next time you open that wrap, it could be cut with all manner of nasties.......................................... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 18 13:49:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:49:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) Message-ID: >>I think you'll find that was a joke... > >I figured the new name to be a joke, but I think they're serious about >changing their name, though. Is Cipro taken? Would probably need the little (R) thingy afterwards...I'll ask my brother - he works for Bayer (R). Grakkl (FAA) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Oct 18 15:27:28 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:27:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Anthrax alert (somewhat tasteless...) In-Reply-To: <200110181615.MAA18224@mailgate.spc.edu>; from mvdbase@YAHOO.COM on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:15:20PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 12:15:20PM -0400, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Not sure the band would find this funny. Check out www.anthrax.com. > > They're actually considering changing their name to something like "Basket > of puppies" One of the things their press release says is: > Most people associated the name Anthrax with the band, not the > germ. Funny, I always associated it with a castle. "Bad, bad, NAUGHTY Zoot!" Or words to that effect; the local net-nanny is keeping me from checking the script... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 16:11:54 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:11:54 +0100 Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends Message-ID: I agree; mine arrived this morning and I watched it at work. It is basically the original TV broadcast rather than the video with the extra track and the track editing is awful. Having said that though, it is Hawkwind, it is on DVD and it sounds good so lets not be too dismissive! COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Re: HW:Classic Rock legends > Hi > > The DVD is missing one track from the previous release, Wind of Change (even > though the booklet claims it's the complete show?). Also 2 track beginnings > are actually in the middle of previous tracks. > This one is disappointing for those reasons. > > William > > > > > yes - PAL and NTSC and in stock NOW (although we need more NTSC ones - > gues > > who didn't order enough)at CD Services (and other fine stores, I'm sure) > AND > > it's on VHS video tape too for those who don't have DVD yet, first time > > officially on tape in the UK for years. > > Andy Garibaldi > > andygee at dial.pipex.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:18 AM > > Subject: HW:Classic Rock legends > > > > > > > Hi > > > checking one of our local(Melbourne) record stores, I came across this > :- > > > http://www.gaslight.com.au/shop/product.asp?productID=751895 > > > > > > From looking at the cover it seems to be the Live Legends on DVD - zone > 4. > > > Is this what has been released in the UK ? > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Marty > > > From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Oct 18 17:12:42 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:12:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule (and another thing) Message-ID: Hi, Forgot to mention ..... Harvey gets no written credit on the sleeve even though he gets a spoken one by Dave on the Electronic Intro. Bizarre ...... but such is life in the HW camp! Jez From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Oct 18 19:44:17 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:44:17 +0100 Subject: BOC: Yes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Brian Halligan wrote: > Kirsten wrote: > > Interesting. So, what BOC would ppl recommend I play at a Yes > > fan? He's also a bit of a Rush fan, and, iirc, partial to Caravan, if > > that helps. > > I'd say Imaginos, then Fire of Unknown Origin or Cultosaurus Erectus. > > Substitute Secret Treaties for Imaginos if he doesn't like "wall of sound" > production values, or if you don't consider Imaginos a BOC album. Vaguely knowing the guy in question I'd have said FoUO and CE first, then maybe _Imaginos_. And get him with _Secret Treaties_ after that. Of course there's the alternative view that says you do to him what happened to me, viz, just play him _Some Enchanted Evening_ and let nature take its course, but I've tried this and had it fail before now... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From coral at APORT.RU Thu Oct 18 19:13:16 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:13:16 +0400 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: Hello! Do you know whom should I address the questions concerning passports and cds? thanks, Alice From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 18 23:51:53 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mik c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:51:53 -0600 Subject: RFH Pix on Mission Control Message-ID: ;;;;; Attention Star Warriors;;;;;;; * RFH pix on Mission Control * end transmission. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 18 23:18:03 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:18:03 +0800 Subject: RFH Pix on Mission Control Message-ID: LOL - you really are a funny bugger. Really good pics though... ----- Original Message ----- From: "mik c" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: RFH Pix on Mission Control > ;;;;; Attention Star Warriors;;;;;;; > > * RFH pix on Mission Control * > > end transmission. > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 19 00:31:54 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mik c) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:31:54 -0600 Subject: RFH Pix on Mission Control (i'm NOT playing Rik!)(off) In-Reply-To: <009a01c1584c$aae86400$4db63bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: Bill....that message was officially sanctioned, patented, trademarked, authorized, and furthermore given not only with the express written permission, but sanctioned and commisioned. well ok, so I needed an excuse to be Mik. darn, it was nice to not be listtw*t! for just those fleeting couple minutes.... From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 19 00:01:17 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:01:17 EDT Subject: OFF:motorhead: no sleep remaster: THE FACTS Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2001 5:39:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stuart at stuarthamilton.f9.co.uk writes: > Is actually made up of bootleg quality recordings from Fast Eddies private > collection, and we're still no closer to a complete Hammersmith concert > (seeing how the original had soundheck recordings with audience noise > dubbed on, and a Leeds track from the previous years tour). But if you > really really want it, URL is below. > this is completely FALSE!!! first of all: the 'no sleep til hammersmith' lp was NOT recorded at hammersmith. it was recorded at: leeds queens hall on march 28, 1981 newcastle city hall march 29/30 1981 second: vic maile recored all three shows in their entirety and compiled the lp from the best performances of each chosen song. the majority of the lp comes from the 2 newcastle shows. the extra tracks on this expanded remaster are taken from the very same source tapes as the original lp, newly mixed and digitally mastered... so, far from 'bootleg quality'...and as close as 'a complete hammersmith show' (!!) as we'll ever get!!! i have no interest in selling this, i don't run a mail order company, work for the band/label/mamnagement, etc...i'm just a fan who was surprised at the lack of interest in this excellent release and now even more surprised and disappointed at the level of mis-information circulating about it. stuart at stuarthamilton.f9.co.uk: where did you get your information? bobm From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 19 02:02:09 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:02:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 Message-ID: >This has refuelled my interest in the imminent tour which I was previously feeling rather indifferent >about, after seeing them in April(?) at Rock City, which ranked as possibly the worst I had seen >them in 50-odd times since 78. Really??? Although maybe not the best of the tour, I thought it was a great gig (and tour). You'd Better Believe it, Space Is Deep, Flying Doctor, High Rise, Hurry On Sundown et al. All the band in fine spirits especially Simon in 'local lad made good' mode. What was missing (Apart from Keith on synths and Jez, which would have been the icing on the cake)? Nick (60-odd since '86) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 04:56:28 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:56:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011018185701.00a91ea0@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: > > And before that... "Supercar" > > ChrisW > (Greying by the day) > Greying? GREYING??? :-) Cheers, Rich. (Who can't talk really...) From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 05:19:15 2001 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:19:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin /AoS gigs this weekend Message-ID: This is a bit short notice, but it has been previously posted: Bedouin play The Little Wonder, Ripon Road, Harrogate tonight (19th). With lightshow if we can get there in time after work. Then play as Ace of Spades at the Rigger, Marsh Parade, Newcastle-Under-Lyme tomorrow night (20th). Neil. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Fri Oct 19 05:36:22 2001 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:36:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 Message-ID: I concur with Nick, despite being sober AND straight, I had a grand time that night. The band played well, looked like they were enjoying themselves, and no major gremlins in the sound.... Canterbury was a more ass-kickin' show, but ABSOLUTELY NO COMPLAINTS about Rock City... Nick Lee wrote: >>This has refuelled my interest in the imminent tour which I was >>previously feeling rather indifferent about, after seeing them in April(?) >>at Rock City, which ranked as possibly the worst I had seen them >>in 50-odd times since 78. > >Really??? Although maybe not the best of the tour, I thought it was a >great gig (and tour). You'd Better Believe it, Space Is Deep, Flying Doctor, >High Rise, Hurry On Sundown et al. All the band in fine spirits especially >Simon in 'local lad made good' mode. What was missing (Apart from Keith >on synths and Jez, which would have been the icing on the cake)? > >Nick (60-odd since '86) * Chris Warburton/Senior Database Administrator * "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Ambrose Bierce From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 19 05:41:12 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 05:41:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead reissue Message-ID: OK, should have been a tad more specific. The original No Sleep is intact, and is the remastered version previously issued. Which is excellent. The additional tracks are taken from the Fast Eddie archives. To quote the record company, "It's being reissued..in expanded double-disc form to include more music from both the concert and the successful tour of which it was the climax. Original guitarist 'Fast' Eddie Clarke has been brought back into the fold by the record company to oversee the project". According to Jerry Ewing at Classic Rock; "Augmented with an additional disc from then guitarist Faste Eddie Clarke, from another gig from the tour, the track listing of which reads as per the original album, is really rather unneccesary, as it merely comes across like a lowly bootleg in compariosn". I thought it was common knowledge that the original was recorded at Newcastle, Leeds, Hammersmith with a couple of soundchecks added in due to problems with the original tapes. >>>>> this is completely FALSE!!! first of all: the 'no sleep til hammersmith' lp was NOT recorded at hammersmith. it was recorded at: leeds queens hall on march 28, 1981 newcastle city hall march 29/30 1981 second: vic maile recored all three shows in their entirety and compiled the lp from the best performances of each chosen song. the majority of the lp comes from the 2 newcastle shows. the extra tracks on this expanded remaster are taken from the very same source tapes as the original lp, newly mixed and digitally mastered... so, far from 'bootleg quality'...and as close as 'a complete hammersmith show' (!!) as we'll ever get!!! i have no interest in selling this, i don't run a mail order company, work for the band/label/mamnagement, etc...i'm just a fan who was surprised at the lack of interest in this excellent release and now even more surprised and disappointed at the level of mis-information circulating about it. stuart at stuarthamilton.f9.co.uk: where did you get your information? bobm From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 19 06:15:55 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:15:55 +0100 Subject: RE;RFH Message-ID: EXCELLENT GIG, THOROLEE ENJOID MSLF Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: RE;ANTHRAX > watch out all you naugty powder sniffers, next time you open that wrap, it > could be cut with all manner of > nasties.......................................... > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Oct 19 06:46:43 2001 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:46:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: umlauts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Umlaut trivia in the New Statesman today: apparently Moben Kitchens have had a court ruling that they cannot use an umlaut over the 'o' because people might think that their products are German, and therefore high quality! Is there a danger that people might think that BOC are passing themselves off as an oompah band? - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 19 07:25:17 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:25:17 EDT Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 In-Reply-To: <3019627974EFD211A6A000805FCBF8BB03C5EFFA@RBIDUNEX01> Message-ID: On 19 Oct 2001, at 10:36, ChrisW Work wrote: > I concur with Nick, despite being sober AND straight, I don't see what your sexual preference has to do with anything, unless the gig was held at a gay bar... theo From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 09:33:05 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:33:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Rock City (here we go). Message-ID: Hi, Difficult to define "what was missing" ..... Just playing some old classics doesn't necessarily make it a great gig for me. You gotta play 'em right. Take Kings Of Speed in '89(?) ... what was the point in that? You'd Better Believe It was dire, I thought, despite it being a personal fav from 74. Thought the 2 news songs were appalling. Didn't think Ron was on form. Came away, disappointed, that's all I can really say. I'd love to hear a decent tape from the tour to try and check what I'm saying. Can anybody help? Anyway, I don't like dwelling on the bad points, I'm really looking froward to the tour, which was my main point, and still is. Cheers, Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria 2000 > >This has refuelled my interest in the imminent tour which I was previously > feeling rather indifferent >about, after seeing them in April(?) at Rock > City, which ranked as possibly the worst I had seen >them in 50-odd times > since 78. > > Really??? Although maybe not the best of the tour, I thought it was a great > gig (and tour). You'd Better Believe it, Space Is Deep, Flying Doctor, High > Rise, Hurry On Sundown et al. All the band in fine spirits especially Simon > in 'local lad made good' mode. What was missing (Apart from Keith on synths > and Jez, which would have been the icing on the cake)? > > Nick (60-odd since '86) > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 09:47:45 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:47:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:25:17 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >On 19 Oct 2001, at 10:36, ChrisW Work wrote: > >> I concur with Nick, despite being sober AND straight, > >I don't see what your sexual preference has to do with anything, >unless the gig was held at a gay bar... > >theo Well, we did start off talking about the Astoria;) From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri Oct 19 12:17:27 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:17:27 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Black Sword DVD review Message-ID: Hmmm. Just saw this on Electric basement. Who are these people anyway?? http://www.electricbasement.com/review556.htm Dr. Dan From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Oct 19 13:51:54 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:51:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Rock City (here we go). In-Reply-To: <006e01c158a3$d71b7920$da45883e@jezd>; from Jeremy@DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:33:05PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:33:05PM +0100, J D wrote: > Difficult to define "what was missing" ..... > [...] > Came away, disappointed, that's all I can really say. It happens -- and it can be one's own mood as much as anything the band does (or not). That's how I felt after the Hawkestra, which a lot of people thought was great despite the problems. And I remember someone else posting about their disappointment with the XMas party, which for me is right up there fighting it out with SD'97 for best-ever HW gig. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Oct 19 14:18:25 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:18:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: Passport queries can be addressed to Tone at starfield at supanet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Alice To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tour and Passport Holders > Hello! > > Do you know whom should I address the questions concerning passports and > cds? > > thanks, > Alice From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Oct 19 14:32:39 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:32:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:13:16 +0400, Alice wrote: >Hello! > >Do you know whom should I address the questions concerning passports and >cds? > >thanks, >Alice ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Alice The HW Passport sign-up page is at: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/pa_.htm (If you are wondering "what is an A5 size envelope?", it measures 21cm wide and 15 cm high, I think.) If this page does not answer your questions, try the following: 1. Write to the PO Box 28 address shown on the page 2. Email boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (which the band use to post to BOC-L) 3. Email hw at CY-B.ORG (which is an address used by Rik, the Mission Control webmaster) Good luck! Steve From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Oct 19 14:37:10 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:37:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour and Passport Holders Message-ID: On second thoughts, Captain Black's suggestion is better! He beat me to the punch... ------------------------------------------------------------------ >On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:13:16 +0400, Alice wrote: > >>Hello! >> >>Do you know whom should I address the questions concerning passports and >>cds? >> >>thanks, >>Alice > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hi Alice > >The HW Passport sign-up page is at: > >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/pa_.htm > >(If you are wondering "what is an A5 size envelope?", it measures 21cm wide >and 15 cm high, I think.) > >If this page does not answer your questions, try the following: > >1. Write to the PO Box 28 address shown on the page >2. Email boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (which the band use to post to BOC- L) >3. Email hw at CY-B.ORG (which is an address used by Rik, the Mission Control >webmaster) > >Good luck! > >Steve From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 19 13:43:53 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:43:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Different Motorhead Question Message-ID: Hi Folks.... To continue the Motorhead thread...I just saw a used copy of a CD called 'Motorhead - Live' or something very simple like that, on a label called 'Pet Rock' I think (owned/distributed by one of the big names that I can't recall right now). Anyway, it was Robbo stuff and seemed to me (by reading the tracklist) to simply be identical to the King Biscuit CD, right down to the interview at the end. But then I read this review on amazon.com (of that King Biscuit disc), and this guy says there's another official Robbo-era Live CD out there. Since this one I saw today has that interview, I'm still guessing it's the KB show, but does anyone know what label this other disc appeared on? Thanks...Grakkl (FAA) >From amazon.com Even though this cd features the best guitarist Motorhead ever had in Brian Robertson (ex of Thin Lizzy), the sound is poor, that it probably would not have been considered a good bootleg. Furthermore the energy isn't happening, an off night for the band. I have a cd called Live 83, (not a bootleg) from an independent label featuring from the same lineup which is far superior in sound and energy. As well this Cd includes an interview which is a cheap way of making up space on a cd From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 19 15:04:18 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:04:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Rock City (here we go). Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:33:05 +0100, J D wrote: >Difficult to define "what was missing" ..... >Just playing some old classics doesn't necessarily make it a great >gig for me. You gotta play 'em right. This is a very important point! Well said! (Although what's "right" for one fan may not be right for another.) BTW I haven't heard the Rock City gig, but I do have a recording of the Croydon gig from the same tour, which I think is a superb show. >Take Kings Of Speed in '89(?) ... what was the point in that? >You'd Better Believe It was dire, I thought, despite it being a >personal fav from 74. I didn't like the first half of "Space Is Deep" on the spring tour & Astoria - the keyboard-driven intro just doesn't do it for me (I thought the Hawkestra rendition was much, much better), but the "rocking" second half was great. And I thought the rendition of "Flying Doctor" was really good, too ... my only criticism would be that it was too close to the original recording, but that may actually be a *good* thing. >Thought the 2 news songs were appalling. ... and they seem to have been dropped from the setlist already? >Didn't think Ron was on form. I don't think that was the case at Croydon (IMO), he was pretty hot there; like I said, "Flying Doctor" was really good, and "Hippie" was outstanding - there's an amazing guitar break in that one. I'm quite disappointed to hear that song is being left off the 'Yule Ritual' album (since it's easily my favorite new Hawkwind song in at least five years) ... fixing technical issues is NOT A PROBLEM when something exists on a 24-track multitrack (bass & vocals too loud? Turn the channels down, duh! And with a digital multitrack, it's SIMPLE to synch up another digital recorder, and add tracks on the new machine to comp into the rough spots if need be ... there are even digital plug-ins that will "sample" the "ambience" of a recording and simulate it on another track, so that re-recorded fixes can be dropped in seamlessly without compromising the "live" sound). >Came away, disappointed, that's all I can really say. >I'd love to hear a decent tape from the tour to try and check what I'm >saying. Can anybody help? The Croydon gig I have a recording of seems to have been fairly-widely distributed ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 15:34:37 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:34:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Torquay gig in November Message-ID: I have to be in Devon on family business around 20th November so I thought I'd pre-order a few tickets for Torquay and try to persuade some family members along... I've got the tickets but to my surprise the lass said that they are not selling very well. So if anyone is around there from the Hawkwind camp can you put some posters up along the sea front or something! It seems word hasn't got around yet. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 19 15:48:53 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:48:53 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: ... oh ... my ... god ... I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). I mean, I already knew that Hawkwind are already connected to everything ... but this is just too wacky ... ?!?! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as >well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going ... From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 16:32:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:32:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Rock City (here we go). In-Reply-To: <200110191904.PAA00521@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110191904.PAA00521 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >BTW I haven't heard the Rock City gig, but I do have a recording of the >Croydon gig from the same tour, which I think is a superb show. It was indeed a top night- loads of atmosphere and energy, and whatever happened at Nottingham I don't know, but You Better Believe It at Croydon was a peak experience! >I didn't like the first half of "Space Is Deep" on the spring tour & >Astoria - the keyboard-driven intro just doesn't do it for me (I thought >the Hawkestra rendition was much, much better) Strongly agree with this! > >>Didn't think Ron was on form. > >I don't think that was the case at Croydon (IMO), he was pretty hot there Have to disagree with this though. He was all over the place. He was OK when he just had to belt it out (Flying Doctor, Hippy), but the rest of the time he was clearly struggling. Having said that, I've also got a copy of the recording and I was surprised how good he sounds on it. But it wasn't convincing on the night. I think I posted something to this effect at the time- seemed to me that Ron was becoming increasingly erratic: I didn't see the Alien tour but lots of people said he was the best thing to happen to HW for years, so my impression is that he was contributing much more when he first joined. I'm not really surprised he's gone. I hope he gets it together 'cos I think there is some talent lurking there somewhere, but it's depressing to see that the first thing he's done is take part in a live album (Bajina) which is mostly old HW songs.... (Caveat: I haven't heard it, maybe it is startlingly original, but I doubt it *very* much). -- Nick Medford From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Oct 19 17:40:24 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:40:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Rock City (here we go). In-Reply-To: ; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:32:24PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:32:24PM +0100, Nick Medford wrote: > [...] seemed to me that Ron was becoming increasingly erratic [by last spring's > tour]: I didn't see > the Alien tour but lots of people said he was the best thing to happen to > HW for years, so my impression is that he was contributing much more > when he first joined. I'm not really surprised he's gone. I hope he gets it > together 'cos I think there is some talent lurking there somewhere, [...] Yet another brilliant flake *sigh*. Nik, Calvert, Ron. Not to mention Syd Barrett, but HW seems to have had more than their share... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 18:56:53 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:56:53 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: It's not Andy Anderson is it? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 October 2001 20:50 Subject: Re: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 >... oh ... my ... god ... > >I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will >be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that >(most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, >although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he >also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one >ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of >their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a >different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an >album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). > >I mean, I already knew that Hawkwind are already connected to >everything ... but this is just too wacky ... ?!?! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > >On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: >> Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as >>well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going ... > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 19 18:15:33 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:15:33 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Black Sword DVD review Message-ID: hey,if everyone got it,it wouldn't be the same,would it...? tim Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > > Hmmm. > > Just saw this on Electric basement. Who are these people anyway?? > > http://www.electricbasement.com/review556.htm > > > Dr. Dan From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 19 18:22:01 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:22:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Different Motorhead Question Message-ID: don't know about the other cd,but that sure is weird about the king biscuit(not called that) live cd.it's distributed be emi-america,and they actually have a whole series of live cds that are K.B. but not called that.they sem to be identical except for the packaging,no booklet in the not K.B.s. tim K Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks.... > > To continue the Motorhead thread...I just saw a used copy of a CD called > 'Motorhead - Live' or something very simple like that, on a label called > 'Pet Rock' I think (owned/distributed by one of the big names that I can't > recall right now). Anyway, it was Robbo stuff and seemed to me (by reading > the tracklist) to simply be identical to the King Biscuit CD, right down to > the interview at the end. But then I read this review on amazon.com (of > that King Biscuit disc), and this guy says there's another official > Robbo-era Live CD out there. Since this one I saw today has that interview, > I'm still guessing it's the KB show, but does anyone know what label this > other disc appeared on? > > Thanks...Grakkl (FAA) > > From amazon.com > Even though this cd features the best guitarist Motorhead ever had in Brian > Robertson (ex of Thin Lizzy), the sound is poor, that it probably would not > have been considered a good bootleg. Furthermore the energy isn't > happening, an off night for the band. I have a cd called Live 83, (not a > bootleg) from an independent label featuring from the same lineup which is > far superior in sound and energy. As well this Cd includes an interview > which is a cheap way of making up space on a cd From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 19 18:23:04 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:23:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Different Motorhead Question Message-ID: oops..i meant emi-capitol K Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks.... > > To continue the Motorhead thread...I just saw a used copy of a CD called > 'Motorhead - Live' or something very simple like that, on a label called > 'Pet Rock' I think (owned/distributed by one of the big names that I can't > recall right now). Anyway, it was Robbo stuff and seemed to me (by reading > the tracklist) to simply be identical to the King Biscuit CD, right down to > the interview at the end. But then I read this review on amazon.com (of > that King Biscuit disc), and this guy says there's another official > Robbo-era Live CD out there. Since this one I saw today has that interview, > I'm still guessing it's the KB show, but does anyone know what label this > other disc appeared on? > > Thanks...Grakkl (FAA) > > From amazon.com > Even though this cd features the best guitarist Motorhead ever had in Brian > Robertson (ex of Thin Lizzy), the sound is poor, that it probably would not > have been considered a good bootleg. Furthermore the energy isn't > happening, an off night for the band. I have a cd called Live 83, (not a > bootleg) from an independent label featuring from the same lineup which is > far superior in sound and energy. As well this Cd includes an interview > which is a cheap way of making up space on a cd From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 19 18:38:00 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:56:53 +0100, dave hall wrote: >It's not Andy Anderson is it? No, I neglected to make it clear that this person never actually played in Hawkwind (and I wouldn't be saying, "... oh ... my ... god ..." over just Andy Anderson, or any ex-HW drummer short of Simon King), only in that other (the "good" one, not the "famous" one) band I mentioned below with multiple Hawkwind connections (I forgot to add that they also once played a special event bill at the Roundhouse with two bands fronted by ex-Hawkwind members/associates, but they have several more, increasingly-tenuous, HW connections). Although he could easily be mistaken for Andy Anderson. No more clues from me. You have waaaaay more information than you need to figure it out ;^). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Pearson >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Date: 19 October 2001 20:50 >Subject: Re: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 > > >>... oh ... my ... god ... >> >>I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will >>be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that >>(most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, >>although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he >>also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one >>ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of >>their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a >>different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an >>album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). >> >>I mean, I already knew that Hawkwind are already connected to >>everything ... but this is just too wacky ... ?!?! >> >> -Doug >> jasret at mindspring.com >> >>On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett >> wrote: >>> Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as >>>well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going ... >> From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Oct 19 18:38:54 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:38:54 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH Pix Message-ID: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++STAR WARRIORS Royal Festival Hall Pix Now Up On Mission Control: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/gigs/rfh/RFH_thumbs.htm www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MISSION ENDS ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 19 18:43:24 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:43:24 -0400 Subject: OFF:Fwd: be careful!! Message-ID: sorry-i couldn't resist tim > > > > Subject: Be Careful!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't go to the bathroom on October 28th. CIA intelligence reports > > > > that a major plot is planned for that day. Anyone who takes a poop > > > > on the 28th will be bitten on the ass by an alligator. > > > > > > > > Reports indicate that organized groups of alligators are planning to > > rise > > > > up into unsuspecting American's toilet bowls and bite them when > > > > they are doing their dirty business. > > > > > > > > I usually don't send emails like this, but I got this information > > > > from a reliable source. It came from a friend of a friend whose > > > > cousin is dating this girl whose brother knows this guy whose wife > > > > knows this lady whose husband buys hotdogs from this guy who knows > > > > a shoeshine guy who shines the shoes of a mailroom worker who has > > > > a friend who's drug dealer sells drugs to another mailroom worker > > > > who works in the CIA building. He apparently overheard two guys > > > > talking in the bathroom about alligators and came to the > > > > conclusion that we are going to be attacked. So it must be true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- End Original Message --------- > > --------- End Original Message --------- --------- End Original Message --------- From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 19 19:59:35 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:59:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Different Motorhead Question/ Bajina In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is also a limited CD of 1000 copies (pretty sure of the number) where each copy is numbered, live at Manchester Apollo, which is pretty much Live 83 "Vol. 2"...... and on the Bajina subject, maybe "breaking new ground" was pushing it, but I played it yet again, and all I can say is that had I been at that gig, I would have been the loudest, stupidest, cheering freak of the lot- Ron Tree is like a high performance race car, sometimes they catch fire and crash, but when they are running hot, it's all worth it- some of the renditions on here surpass the Hawkwind ones (Ron Tree wise), and I hope I get a jillion more albums of him before the Holy War microbializes....... The song "Tonic Sulpher" is "majestic"? which is a JT tune, and in addition to the quite enjoyable HW stuff, there is also the ICU material which is timeless as a Pink Floyd LP should have been, and of course Calvert stuff, etc..of which you'd be hard pressed to find a better man than Ron, and no offense to Bob, I prefer Ron- more wicked and kicking...... and of course this is a live album, not even studio, but it's just a load of fun, has super neat sound effects and humour, and is just a bloody nice little drinking + smoking companion- etc, etc, blah blah blah great man- hope he doesn't die and if you never liked Ron, or ICU, or Judge, skip it and don't look back peace really! I only did this because of the Motorhead question really, figured I needed to go kill myself or something cheers mike From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Oct 19 19:05:08 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:05:08 -0700 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <200110191948.PAA00902@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The first thing that pops into my head is The Knack...Am I close? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:49 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 ... oh ... my ... god ... I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). I mean, I already knew that Hawkwind are already connected to everything ... but this is just too wacky ... ?!?! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as >well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going ... From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 20:18:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 01:18:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Different Motorhead Question/ Bajina In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , mike c writes >and on the Bajina subject, maybe "breaking new ground" was pushing it, but >I played it yet again, and all I can say is that had I been at that gig, I >would have been the loudest, stupidest, cheering freak of the lot- Fair enough. Maybe it's great. As I said, I haven't heard it. But I hope he can do his own stuff too, and not just live off his "ex-Hawkwind" status. -- Nick Medford From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 19 19:44:11 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:44:11 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: Strange Daze tour begins Message-ID: Hi Folks... Not sure if this made it onto the list. This was Jim's last post before he left Cleveland (I'm guessing). First show is tonight! Two days before they come to visit me here in Cowtown. Sad that they could only get a total of 7 shows arranged, but then it will be leisurely and the bands should be well rested at least. Hope many of you make it to a show or two. Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hello Everyone! Just a quick reminder that the Strange Trips "Shrouded in Mystery US Tour" will be kicking off next Friday, October 19 in Milwaukee, WI at Thai Joe's Bangkok Restaurant & Nightclub. Come on out and join us for a great time at one of the following dates listed below. Hope to see you all there! Jim Lascko STRANGE TRIPS 2001 US TOUR Strange Trips will be doing a US Tour this Fall with Hawkwind's Harvey Bainbridge, the sensational Mr. Quimby's Beard from Sunderland, England and The Amazing Solar Fire LASER Lightshow! That's right...we've added a beautiful laser light effect to the lightshow. Be sure to come to the gigs and check it out! Nik Turner will also be joining the tour to support Mr. Quimby's Beard and Harvey Bainbridge at JJ Kelly's in Lansing, IL (near Chicago) on October 24th. Nik will play with a few American friends and do some Inner City Unit material that's seldom seen performed live in the states. He will also be at the remaining shows: SD2001 in Cleveland, OH, Cullman, AL, St. Petersburg, FL, and Atlanta, GA. Here is the Strange Trips "SHROUDED IN MYSTERY" US TOUR schedule: 10/19 - Milwaukee, WI - Thai Joe's 10/21 - Columbus, OH - Little Brother's 10/24 - Lansing, IL (near Chicago) - JJ Kelly's 10/26/27 - STRANGE DAZE 2001 Cleveland, OH - The Beachland Ballroom 10/29 - Cullman, AL- The Civic Center 11/03 - St. Petersburg, FL - The State Theater 11/06 - Atlanta, GA - 9 Lives Saloon -- ALWAYS CHECK DIRECTLY WITH VENUES BEFORE TRAVELING! -- STRANGE DAZE 2001 The Strange Daze 2001 2-Day Indoor Festival will take place October 26/27 at The Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland, Ohio. This event was previously held as an outdoor camping event during the month of August for the past 4 years. SD2001 will feature non-stop music with 15 bands on 2 stages Friday night and all day Saturday: Mr. Quimby's Beard, Harvey Bainbridge, Nik Turner, Quarkspace, Nucleon, Red Giant, Speaker/Cranker, Einsteins Secret Orchestra, Alien Planetscapes, Heavy Liquid, World of Tomorrow, The Rick Ray Band, Drumplay, Willy Mac, JFK Jr. Royal Airforce, and The Amazing Solar Fire Laser Lightshow. For further information, schedule, music samples, and band bios, please visit: http://www.Strange-Trips.com TICKETS: Friday or Saturday 1-Day Pass - $20 at Door STRANGE DAZE 2001 FESTIVAL SCHEDULE FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26th - Doors open 6:00 pm 7:00 - 8:00 - Tavern - DRUMPLAY 8:00 - 9:00 - Ballroom - EINSTEIN'S SECRET ORCHESTRA 9:00 - 10:00 - Tavern - ALIEN PLANETSCAPES 10:00 - 11:00 - Ballroom - SPEAKER/CRANKER 11:00 - 12:00 - Tavern - WORLD OF TOMORROW 12:00 - 2:00 - Ballroom - NIK TURNER SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27th - Doors open 2:00 pm 2:30 - 3:30 - Tavern - WILLY MAC 4:00 - 5:00 - Tavern - HEAVY LIQUID 5:30 - 6:30 - Tavern - THE RICK RAY BAND 7:00 - 8:00 - Tavern - RED GIANT 8:00 - 9:00 - Ballroom - NUCLEON 9:00 - 10:00 - Tavern - JFK Jr. ROYAL AIRFORCE 10:00 - 11:00 - Ballroom - HARVEY BAINBRIDGE 11:00 - 12:00 - Tavern - QUARKSPACE 12:00 - 2:00 - Ballroom - MR. QUIMBY'S BEARD HARVEY BAINBRIDGE (England) Beginning with the Hawklords in 1978 Harvey Bainbridge became one of the longest-tenured Hawkwind veterans to date, still performing with them from time to time. Since the early 1980's Harvey has been periodically releasing his solo works on the side (most recently "Red Shift") and he also maintained a partnership in the Alman Mulo Band for a time. Harvey has long ago developed his own unique musical style and surrounds himself with banks of keyboards, synthesizers, and tape devices. Lyrically he's known for his socially relevant commentaries, both humorous and insightful. His signature Hawkwind compositions such as "T.V. Suicide", "Mutation Zone", and "Back in the Box" attest to the fact that Harvey has an acerbic wit and certainly has helped Hawkwind maintain their legendary underground status through the "Dark Ages" of hair metal and new wave. Musically Bainbridge will calm you with dreamy ambience only to jolt your consciousness awake with pulsing electronics and a direct vocal approach. You can look forward to yet another rewarding audio visual experience as he recreates (or even exceeds) the transcendent atmosphere of his headlining performance at last year's Strange Daze 2000 performing against cosmic backdrop of The Amazing Solar Fire Laser Lightshow once again! *********************************** MR. QUIMBY'S BEARD (England) Hailing from Sunderland in the north of England, Mr. Quimby's Beard has quickly commanded a great deal of attention as the next in line of great British psychedelic artists continuing in the long admired tradition of Hawkwind, Here 'n' Now, and the Ozric Tentacles in the UK. With three excellent Space Rock albums already in the bank, we can only expect yet greater works of wonder in the future from these relative newcomers to the psychedelic multi-verse. Their debut CD "Out There" appeared in 1995 on the Demi Monde label. Since then have continued on with the dynamic family of psychedelic artists at Stone Premonitions right through to their latest release "The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of Mr. Quimby's Beard". MQB releases feature copious amounts of swirly electronics from keyboardist Hardy amidst a mesmerizing amalgam of cosmic lock groove anthems, reggae beats, and blazing guitar leads. It's a tried-and-true recipe that the five have now taken to another realm. The "SD 2001 Shrouded in Mystery American Tour" will feature the first performances of Mr. Quimby's Beard on American soil....and we're in for a real treat! For more info on MQB please visit: http://www.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi/ ************************************** NIK TURNER (England) A founding member of Hawkwind, Nik has proven to be one the most enduring and popular frontmen the band has ever produced. Not nearly as prolific as Robert Calvert, but embodying a charisma and energy surpassed by few others in the spacerock genre. Nik's performances are usually very dramatic and unique. Sometimes he's a spaceman with big, black, eyes and a shining silver face under his helmet, and other times he materializes as a man-like reptoid creature from another planet - with a special message for mankind! After leaving Hawkwind, Nik helped form Inner City Unit, a hardcore punk-like band, and has gone on to work with many others often sitting in at the drop of a hat. His blatting saxophone and flute can be heard on many recordings, as well as his distinctive vocal deliveries. Nik is a crowd favorite and loves to meet his many fans and other spacerock admirers. Come on down and see Nik do some of his Inner City Unit material that is rarely performed in the US, and meet him as he presses the flesh and meets his fans at SD2001. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Oct 19 21:11:50 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:11:50 +0800 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: I thought of the Police. Wasn't there a couple of connections there? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 > The first thing that pops into my head is The Knack...Am I close? > > KevinSommers > Cogito ergo sum, I think... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:49 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 > > > ... oh ... my ... god ... > > I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will > be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that > (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, > although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he > also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one > ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of > their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a > different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an > album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). > > I mean, I already knew that Hawkwind are already connected to > everything ... but this is just too wacky ... ?!?! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:59:27 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > > Yes, it'll probably be awful. But some kind of ICU are playing as > >well as Man, and the sheer coas may be wort beholding. So I'm going ... > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Oct 19 21:13:14 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Strange Daze tour begins Message-ID: I'm off to the Milwaukee show! Karen K Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > Not sure if this made it onto the list. This was Jim's last post before he > left Cleveland (I'm guessing). First show is tonight! Two days before they > come to visit me here in Cowtown. Sad that they could only get a total of 7 > shows arranged, but then it will be leisurely and the bands should be well > rested at least. > > Hope many of you make it to a show or two. > > Grakkl (FAA) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hello Everyone! > > Just a quick reminder that the Strange Trips "Shrouded in Mystery US Tour" > will be kicking off next Friday, October 19 in Milwaukee, WI at Thai Joe's > Bangkok Restaurant & Nightclub. Come on out and join us for a great time at > one of the following dates listed below. > > Hope to see you all there! > Jim Lascko > > STRANGE TRIPS 2001 US TOUR > > Strange Trips will be doing a US Tour this Fall with Hawkwind's Harvey > Bainbridge, the sensational Mr. Quimby's Beard from Sunderland, England and > The Amazing Solar Fire LASER Lightshow! That's right...we've added a > beautiful laser light effect to the lightshow. Be sure to come to the gigs > and check it out! > > Nik Turner will also be joining the tour to support Mr. Quimby's Beard and > Harvey Bainbridge at JJ Kelly's in Lansing, IL (near Chicago) on October > 24th. Nik will play with a few American friends and do some Inner City Unit > material that's seldom seen performed live in the states. He will also be at > the remaining shows: SD2001 in Cleveland, OH, Cullman, AL, St. Petersburg, > FL, and Atlanta, GA. > > Here is the Strange Trips "SHROUDED IN MYSTERY" US TOUR schedule: > > 10/19 - Milwaukee, WI - Thai Joe's > 10/21 - Columbus, OH - Little Brother's > 10/24 - Lansing, IL (near Chicago) - JJ Kelly's > 10/26/27 - STRANGE DAZE 2001 > Cleveland, OH - The Beachland Ballroom > 10/29 - Cullman, AL- The Civic Center > 11/03 - St. Petersburg, FL - The State Theater > 11/06 - Atlanta, GA - 9 Lives Saloon > > -- ALWAYS CHECK DIRECTLY WITH VENUES BEFORE TRAVELING! -- > > STRANGE DAZE 2001 > > The Strange Daze 2001 2-Day Indoor Festival will take place October 26/27 at > The Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland, Ohio. This event was previously held as > an outdoor camping event during the month of August for the past 4 years. > > SD2001 will feature non-stop music with 15 bands on 2 stages Friday night > and all day Saturday: Mr. Quimby's Beard, Harvey Bainbridge, Nik Turner, > Quarkspace, Nucleon, Red Giant, Speaker/Cranker, Einsteins Secret Orchestra, > Alien Planetscapes, Heavy Liquid, World of Tomorrow, The Rick Ray Band, > Drumplay, Willy Mac, JFK Jr. Royal Airforce, and The Amazing Solar Fire > Laser Lightshow. > > For further information, schedule, music samples, and band bios, please > visit: http://www.Strange-Trips.com > > TICKETS: > > Friday or Saturday 1-Day Pass - $20 at Door > > STRANGE DAZE 2001 FESTIVAL SCHEDULE > > FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26th - Doors open 6:00 pm > > 7:00 - 8:00 - Tavern - DRUMPLAY > 8:00 - 9:00 - Ballroom - EINSTEIN'S SECRET ORCHESTRA > 9:00 - 10:00 - Tavern - ALIEN PLANETSCAPES > 10:00 - 11:00 - Ballroom - SPEAKER/CRANKER > 11:00 - 12:00 - Tavern - WORLD OF TOMORROW > 12:00 - 2:00 - Ballroom - NIK TURNER > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27th - Doors open 2:00 pm > > 2:30 - 3:30 - Tavern - WILLY MAC > 4:00 - 5:00 - Tavern - HEAVY LIQUID > 5:30 - 6:30 - Tavern - THE RICK RAY BAND > 7:00 - 8:00 - Tavern - RED GIANT > 8:00 - 9:00 - Ballroom - NUCLEON > 9:00 - 10:00 - Tavern - JFK Jr. ROYAL AIRFORCE > 10:00 - 11:00 - Ballroom - HARVEY BAINBRIDGE > 11:00 - 12:00 - Tavern - QUARKSPACE > 12:00 - 2:00 - Ballroom - MR. QUIMBY'S BEARD > > HARVEY BAINBRIDGE (England) > Beginning with the Hawklords in 1978 Harvey Bainbridge became one of the > longest-tenured Hawkwind veterans to date, still performing with them from > time to time. Since the early 1980's Harvey has been periodically releasing > his solo works on the side (most recently "Red Shift") and he also > maintained a partnership in the Alman Mulo Band for a time. Harvey has long > ago developed his own unique musical style and surrounds himself with banks > of keyboards, synthesizers, and tape devices. Lyrically he's known for his > socially relevant > commentaries, both humorous and insightful. His signature Hawkwind > compositions such as "T.V. Suicide", "Mutation Zone", and "Back in the Box" > attest to the fact that Harvey has an acerbic wit and certainly has helped > Hawkwind maintain their legendary underground status through the "Dark Ages" > of hair metal and new wave. Musically Bainbridge will calm you with dreamy > ambience only to jolt your consciousness awake with pulsing electronics and > a direct vocal approach. You can look forward to yet another rewarding audio > visual experience as he recreates (or even exceeds) the transcendent > atmosphere of his headlining performance at last year's Strange Daze 2000 > performing against cosmic backdrop of The Amazing Solar Fire Laser Lightshow > once again! > > *********************************** > > MR. QUIMBY'S BEARD (England) > Hailing from Sunderland in the north of England, Mr. Quimby's Beard has > quickly commanded a great deal of attention as the next in line of great > British psychedelic artists continuing in the long admired tradition of > Hawkwind, Here 'n' Now, and the Ozric Tentacles in the UK. With three > excellent Space Rock albums already in the bank, we can only expect yet > greater works of wonder in the future from these relative newcomers to the > psychedelic multi-verse. Their debut CD "Out There" appeared in 1995 on the > Demi Monde label. Since then have continued on with the dynamic family of > psychedelic artists at Stone Premonitions right through to their latest > release "The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of Mr. Quimby's Beard". MQB > releases feature copious amounts of swirly electronics from keyboardist > Hardy amidst a mesmerizing amalgam of cosmic lock groove anthems, reggae > beats, and blazing guitar leads. It's a tried-and-true recipe that the five > have now taken to another realm. The "SD 2001 Shrouded in Mystery American > Tour" will feature the first performances > of Mr. Quimby's Beard on American soil....and we're in for a real treat! > For more info on MQB please visit: http://www.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi/ > > ************************************** > > NIK TURNER (England) > A founding member of Hawkwind, Nik has proven to be one the most enduring > and popular frontmen the band has ever produced. Not nearly as prolific as > Robert Calvert, but embodying a charisma and energy surpassed by few others > in the spacerock genre. Nik's performances are usually very dramatic and > unique. Sometimes he's a spaceman with big, black, eyes and a shining silver > face under his helmet, and other times he materializes as a man-like reptoid > creature from another planet - with a special message for mankind! After > leaving Hawkwind, Nik helped form Inner City Unit, a hardcore punk-like > band, and has gone on to work with many others often sitting in at the drop > of a hat. His blatting saxophone and flute can be heard on many recordings, > as well as his distinctive vocal deliveries. Nik is a crowd favorite and > loves to meet his many fans and other spacerock admirers. Come on down and > see Nik do some of his Inner City Unit material that is rarely performed in > the US, and meet him as he presses the flesh and meets his fans at SD2001. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 19 21:19:11 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:19:11 EDT Subject: Love in Space CD on eBay Message-ID: Hey-a Hawkwind Love in Space Very Rare Double Live Item # 1476594001 Current Bid: GBP 2.20 (approx $3.18) Ends on: Oct-29-01 10:06:38 PST (GMT -07:00, I think) Oooh, to cheap to pass up at that price!!! Joe From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 21:47:45 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:47:45 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <00ae01c15904$339db7c0$4db63bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: In message <00ae01c15904$339db7c0$4db63bcb at freeaqua>, Bill & Cynthia writes >I thought of the Police. Wasn't there a couple of connections there? I think you are right! Let me see: >> ... oh ... my ... god ... >> >> I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who >will >> be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band >that >> (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, >> although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But >he >> also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections Radio Actors? If so, then we have... > (one >> ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of >> their singles Nik Turner... >, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a >> different ex-Hawkwind member Mike Howlett, who played with Tim Blake in Gong... >, another member of this band guested on an >> album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band Harry Williamson guesting with Sphynx... So I name the mystery drummer - Stewart Copeland. Or have I got it all wrong? -- Nick Medford From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Oct 19 21:49:53 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:49:53 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Black Sword DVD review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, obviously meant as a slam, yet I can find loving truths in it..... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 3:16 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Hawkwind Black Sword DVD review hey,if everyone got it,it wouldn't be the same,would it...? tim Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > > Hmmm. > > Just saw this on Electric basement. Who are these people anyway?? > > http://www.electricbasement.com/review556.htm > > > Dr. Dan From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 19 20:41:19 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:41:19 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: Bill thought... >I thought of the Police. Wasn't there a couple of connections there? Uh, not really (at least I don't think so). Yeah, Mike Howlett (Gong) was the one who was responsible for getting Sting, Copeland, and Somers (Summers) together originally - in the form of 90Sr (Strontium-90, "Cancer in the Blood" is the Hawkwind reference there I suppose), as explained in detail in the liner notes of said band's 'archival' disc of live and demo songs entitled "Police Academy." And Howlett is certainly linked quickly to HW by several different routes, the most obvious being Tim Blake. But I'm sure that's not it. 'Cause I like the Police, and Doug was sure we'd hate this band! :) I don't know the answer I must admit, though I was imagining that it must be some band on the order of Duran Duran (though it can't be *them* certainly!). Don't know anything about that Knack idea either. On a similar subject, didn't Swindells play in 'Pilot' or some such miserable 80-s (late 70s?) type band? (I don't remember *any* of that band's songs, although I think they had one global 'hit' single that escapes me.) And of course, HLL played with Leo Sayer at one point. What was *that* all about. I mean, some think Widowmaker was 'pants', but (although I haven't listened to those LPs in a decade) I don't remember them being as bad as the sort of Leo Sayer songs I remember on the radio. And I think I bought Widowmaker because of Luther Grosvenor (s silent, two syllables, right?) more than Huwy, me being a Spooky Tooth fan before a Hawkfan IIRC. Huwy's haircut was something to behold in those cover photos, I must admit. :) Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 19 20:56:10 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:56:10 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: I said without thinking.... >>I thought of the Police. Wasn't there a couple of connections there? > >Uh, not really (at least I don't think so). Yeah, Mike Howlett (Gong) was >the one who was responsible for getting Sting, Copeland, and Somers >(Summers) together originally - in the form of 90Sr (Strontium-90, "Cancer >in the Blood" is the Hawkwind reference there I suppose), as explained in >detail in the liner notes of said band's 'archival' disc of live and demo >songs entitled "Police Academy." As Nick reminded me... Oh, yeah! That 'Nuclear Waste' thingy with Nik and Sting and Hillage/Williamson. In that 'tin' thing or whatever. Can't tell you how much I've banned the idea of purchasing one of those things from my mind! :) Anyway, Stewart Copeland?! Seems like a weird idea. He's such a good drummer IMHO, what the hell would be doing on stage with this riff-raff?! My enjoyment of the Police is mainly due to Copeland (his songs are the best, and his playing is the most interesting part). They certainly did put out some hideous pop numbers (Opus the Penguin's "Every Herring You Bake" was damn funny, esp. with Tuba solo), but there's interesting stuff on every album, and I like 'Regatta de Blanc' (white reggae literally) in general - see Ozric Tentacles, Hawkwind live dub routine, Mr. Quimby's Beard, and early 10,000 Maniacs (whose career has paralleled the Police's very closely, with Natalie Merchant offering now some of the most horrific solo material this side of Sting, but whose initial works of 1981-2 were very peculiar Caribbean-folk-punk-rock and colored by the crazy psychedelic-flavored guitar of the late great Rob Buck - you don't believe me, do you? You think I've lost it today, right?). Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The Police was the third concert I ever saw, c. 1981, following the Judas Priest/Whitesnake/Iron Maiden (pre-Dickenson) show and Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow. Bow Wow Wow w/ a 14-yr. old Annabella Lwin were openers. For some reason, right now I'm craving some candy. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 19 22:19:55 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:19:55 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: It's not either Bruce Gary, Billy Ward (no relation!) or Terry Bozzio (yes, he is their current drummer!) of the Knack. Nor is it Stewart Copeland of the Police (nice sleuthing work by Nick, though - hats off to you!). On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:41:19 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >Bill thought... >>I thought of the Police. Wasn't there a couple of connections there? > > ... But I'm sure that's not it. >'Cause I like the Police, and Doug was sure we'd hate this band! :) Good call! I was never a big Police fan (although being in high school in the early 80's, I heard 'em a LOT), but no, I would not expect the vast majority of the list to hate them. >I don't know the answer I must admit, though I was imagining that it must >be some band on the order of Duran Duran (though it can't be *them* >certainly!). It's not them but yes, that's more on the right track (BTW Mike Howlett also produced the first album or two by the Thompson Twins, before they sucked, but it's not them either). Back in the day, I probably thought that this band was even worse than Duran Duran. >Don't know anything about that Knack idea either. The "famous" band (the one that most people will probably think sucked) were less famous than the Police (who was?), but more famous than the Knack. >On a similar subject, didn't Swindells play in 'Pilot' or some such >miserable 80-s (late 70s?) type band? Yep. Pilot and String-Driven Thing. I'm told that the mystery drummer was brought in through an association with Steve, but I don't think that will help anyone (except possibly Mike Coleman) identify him ... >Huwy's haircut was something to behold in those cover photos, >I must admit. :) PURE Nigel Tufnel ;^). Better than the mullets he & Danny had in the 80's, though ... Fortunately, the mystery will be revealed in less than 24 hours (unless Judge Trev spills the beans sooner). And then I'll gladly fill in any questions regarding the hints I've dropped ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Oct 19 23:06:41 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:06:41 -0700 Subject: HW: Sublime moments Message-ID: Any version of 'The Golden Void' between '90 and '95....not having a second guitar forced (?) Dave to play some truly phenomenal leads................. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 23:09:00 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:09:00 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <200110200219.WAA03296@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110200219.WAA03296 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > >Nor is it Stewart Copeland of the Police (nice sleuthing work by Nick, >though - hats off to you!). Oh well. This does however show just how many Hawkwind connections there are- as there must be TWO well-known bands who can fit the criteria you posted! Dave Brock is Keyser Soze! -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 23:35:23 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:35:23 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <1SLyqTABfN07EwDU@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I can't resist having another go at this, although since I was wrong before when I felt much more confident, I'll probably be even wider of the mark this time. >>> ... oh ... my ... god ... >>> >>> I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who >>will >>> be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band >>that >>> (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, >>> although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But >>he >>> also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? > >> (one >>> ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of >>> their singles Lemmy played one gig with them and I have a feeling he played on their cover of "White Rabbit". Or possibly on "Video Nasty". >>, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a >>> different ex-Hawkwind member Sensible played at least one gig with Nik Turner I believe, under the name of Chaos Factory... >>, another member of this band guested on an >>> album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band Struggling with this bit I have to admit, though I'd guess it must have been Brian James doing the guest spot, on what I have no idea Now then- the Damned's drummer was Rat Scabies- BUT he departed briefly in the early days, and until his return his place was filled by... JON MOSS latterly of... pause... Culture Club. Yes, you read it right. Doug, any closer this time? -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 23:51:57 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:51:57 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Nick Medford writes >> > >a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections > >Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? Yet another connection is that Lu Edmonds and Ginger Baker were both in PiL, although I'm not sure if they overlapped. Come on Doug, put me out of this misery! -- Nick Medford From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 20 03:31:38 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 01:31:38 -0600 Subject: Bajina-little more /bag-o-nerves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't sleep, wish to make trimming adjustments to previous comments When I compared Ron Tree stuff on this CD, I didn't mean the HW versions are better- (they are different, and in a looser environ) no what I meant was he FREAKS OUT in places that are really cool using some wicked (meaning good) vocal treatments and I really got off on it- I take my now familiar step into limbdom, and say- I'm not so sure Ron is disconnected from the mothership in reality, and I was imagining he went "on loan" to Judge Trev (or something like) (imagine that! quite an imagination I have??)..... also- this CD does not feature Nik- so I personally see it as a collective of J.Trev and Ron covers (where applicable) and not a normal "Conscious Of HW" competition outing....... anyway, for those like me that just want to grab up the goods by any of these people who have stood at one of the HW controls or ICU......over the years, and especially get "a cool 'un" my thumb went up....... *exhale* and I am not even sure the ICU camp doesn't currently use terms that start with "w" letters, were I to come up in passing idle talk (with evil chuckles as well, or just disjointed stern frowns) PS- so the Yule CD has a Huw pic huh??? I will like that I didn't realize how many great shots had now appeared on his site until last night they snuck some in on me..... bye for 10 minutes or so mike From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 20 04:13:46 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:13:46 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: I figured I'd better check my mail for this when I got home. Glad I did. We have a winner! On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:35:23 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >I can't resist having another go at this, although since I was wrong before >when I felt much more confident, I'll probably be even wider of the mark >this time. > >>> But he >>> also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections > >Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? > >>> (one >>>> ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of >>>> their singles > >Lemmy played one gig with them and I have a feeling he played on their >cover of "White Rabbit". Or possibly on "Video Nasty". "Ballroom Blitz" >>>, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a >>>> different ex-Hawkwind member > >Sensible played at least one gig with Nik Turner I believe, under the name >of Chaos Factory... Yeah, although you actually have these answers backwards (splitting hairs). Brian James was in Tanz Der Youth with Al Powell for one 7". >>>, another member of this band guested on an >>>> album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band > >Struggling with this bit I have to admit, though I'd guess it must have >been Brian James doing the guest spot, on what I have no idea Yep. Although this answer was supposed to be Capt.'s guest appearence on 'Maximum Effect'. >Now then- the Damned's drummer was Rat Scabies- BUT he departed >briefly in the early days, and until his return his place was filled by... >JON MOSS (who would NOT be mistaken for Andy Anderson - MY mistake!) >latterly of... pause... Culture Club. I would *love* it if someone on the list would step up and defend them against my prior defamation ... anyone? (or at least convince me that they were better than Duran Duran?) >Yes, you read it right. > >Doug, any closer this time? The proverbial nail on the head. *I* still don't believe it; Jon Jarrett, will, I hope (with others!), verify this evening ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 17:03:09 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:03:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > my next comment is about the "Trumpets" (and accompanying music) that was > > at the VERY START of all those Gerry Anderson shows-? (didn't they all > have > > that little leader? here in USA at least) that music always got my > > attention and made my "ears perk up" like nothing else ever- I really > miss > > that stuff- it used to put me in such a strange mood- and I liked being > > put in that mood- my childhood- the "actual childhood" > fyo over here in the UK various G&S Anderson shows are being repeated on a regular basis: thunderbirds recently and i think capt. scarlet ("this is the voice of the mister rons") is on currently. maybe they'll be kind enough to put them on in the US too? f rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 17:22:21 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:22:21 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > ... oh ... my ... god ... > > I was just informed of the identity of an additional guest drummer who will > be playing in the "Nikestra". He used to play in a rather famous band that > (most likely) everyone on this list hates (I did, when they were famous, > although I'd probably rather listen to them than to Samantha Fox!). But he > also played briefly in a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections (one > ex-Hawkwind member played VERY briefly in this band & guested on one of > their singles, one of the ex-members of this band played in a band with a > different ex-Hawkwind member, another member of this band guested on an > album by a third ex-Hawkwind member's post-Hawkwind band, etc.). > So....do we have to guess??? From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 19 17:55:37 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:55:37 +0100 Subject: life, the universe and things which are not really very nice! Message-ID: Okay, okay, I know, etc, etc, blah, blah. I'd just signed off the list and shut down my computer when it all became clear. I've been a bad lad. I'm really sorry. I mean, I don't know if you can comprehend how sorry I am. I'm so f****ing sorry, ALRIGHT??!! To Chris Gibbs (and anyone else I may have inadvertently offended) I really am very.....very....sorry! I now realise that the mails I sent (both public and private, about and to Chris) *were* somewhat strong in tone. my only excuse is that I had had the *worst* sort of day. Murphy's law had been taken to an extremely illogical conclusion in that not only had everything which could possibly have gone wrong done so, but so had a few others which couldn't have without breaking the laws of physics, probability and Quarlaxian dominoes (ever played? you really should - it beats abusing yourself to old videos of Scooby Doo. Really!) Anyway (grovel, grovel, whimper in the tone of stray puppy sitting on a hippy's doorstep at 3am in the p****ing rain) - I am sorry Chris - I never meant to imply that you had any sympathy with those who practice the "p" word and I don't really have a warp capability spacecraft, not even use of one at weekends while my dad's busy weeding the borders. Nuff said?? I hope so, for the sake of me, my three blind rabbits and the hunchbacked window-dresser I've been helping out at weekends with the occasional sandwich and kind word! f rat "Only a blind man would p**s on his own doorstep." - anon. PS sorry about the bad poetry Ben, one of my uncles worked part-time as a putty-washer on board a planetary super-highway cleansing department refreshment vehicle (ice cream van to you!) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 20 09:50:46 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:50:46 +0800 Subject: OFF: sci-fi nostalgia Message-ID: > > > > And before that... "Supercar" > > And before that Four Feathers Fall " " " Torchy, The Battery Boy " " " The Adventures Of Twizzle William From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Oct 20 11:40:20 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:40:20 +0200 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Hi folks After listening 4 times to this gig I thought it is time for a short review At the beginning I'd like to thank Colin again for his excellent work. Lets start with the track-listing: lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / new jerusalem / angels of death / sonic attack / watcher / motorway city / hurry on sundown / curse of man / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / ejection / assault & battery / golden void There are 2 real surprizes. They are: - New Jerusalem - Watcher OK, here we go LIGHTHOUSE Unfortunately the song is not complete on the CD-R. Not a bad version but no highlights LEVITATION Superb version. One of the best songs from this gig. Very interesting middle part SPIRAL GALAXY A short version without highlights MOONGLUM Same here. No highlights NEW JERUSALEM The 1st surprize. The last time this song was performed by Hawkwind was in 1979. Now here it is again after 22 years. As far as I know only Dave and Tim were on stage during this song. Phantastic synths. Great performance! ANGELS OF DEATH Interesting song (12 minutes) with an interesting middle part. I like it SONIC ATTACK I never liked this song. But here it is a special one. Mike Moorcock is speaking the words over phoneline from Texas. It ends in an instrumental WATCHER The 2nd surprize. And the 1st highlight. Unfortunately to short. Great bass rhythm, great guitar by Huw. Alan sings like Lemmy. Please HAWKWIND, play it again during the November tour!!! MOTORWAY CITY The 2nd highlight and the best song this evening for me. Again superb guitar playing by Huw HURRY ON SUNDOWN Great song without highlights. I like it though DAMNED BY THE CURSE OF MAN Again a song spoken by Mike Moorcock over the phone. Nothing special here. The last time this song was performed was in 1991 by Harvey during the European HAWKWIND tour (without Dave) HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the last couple of years. The best of this song is the middle part. This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it in March 1978 during the USA tour. Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. I think its time to stop playing it. Please Dave, dig out some better ones out of your vaults!!!! EJECTION A good performance. Unfortunately Alan Davey is singing this song again. Alan is a great bass player and a very friendly person but his singing during this song is absolutely crap! Dave really does it much much better!! ASSAULT & BATTERY A song without highlight GOLDEN VOID One of my all time favorites. A good performance this evening but Canterbury was better. All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it Lets wait what the November tour will bring. I hope it will be: - A couple of new songs - Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba - DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! Any other comments ? cheers Bernhard From nycademon at HOME.COM Sat Oct 20 13:48:48 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:48:48 -0600 Subject: Yule info! Message-ID: Hello-- There's too much info here about things British, and not enough about things American. :-) Specifically, I'd love to get my dirty paws on a copy of the Yule CD, but it's apparently not available by any familiar means. Will it be released in the U.S.? If not, what's the best way for a resident of Colorado to get a copy? Also, what "official" albums (excluding compilations) have come out since _Distant Horizons_? Thanks! Guido From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 20 14:01:16 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:01:16 +0800 Subject: Yule info! Message-ID: > Hello-- > > There's too much info here about things British, and not enough about > things American. :-) Specifically, I'd love to get my dirty paws on a copy > of the Yule CD, but it's apparently not available by any familiar means. > Will it be released in the U.S.? If not, what's the best way for a resident > of Colorado to get a copy? Also, what "official" albums (excluding > compilations) have come out since _Distant Horizons_? > There's In Your Area, which is part-live, part-studio material, & also SpaceBrock, which is really a solo album, though credited to Hawkwind. William From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 20 15:12:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:12:07 -0600 Subject: Yule info! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Guido Andy G. and Stuart H. both sell these things- specialize in this stuff- when you deal with others, you can be subject to bits of histerical waiting, or even back-orders, back orders hahahahahahahaha- but then there are shops that get that stuff, one that comes to mind is OM (Other Music) in (I believe), Manhattan My mind is getting fuzzy, but I think the only *proper* HW CD to come out in USA is a recent reissue of "In Your Area" if I realize I am wrong, somebody will correct me, and if they don't I'll correct myself.... cheers ps- I recommend the one without the hair as a start. mike c From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Oct 20 14:17:10 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: MQB Milwaukee show Message-ID: What a show last night. I feel honored to have seen MQB play live. Thanks to the Aural Innovations and Strange Trips staff for getting the word and the band out! It was nice to meet fellow BOC-Ler Dan Witt in person too. Bummer that the Chicago date got pushed to Wednesday! More driving/expenses for the tour members. http://strange-trips.com/docs/ Jim Lascko seemed happy with things. Guess there was a problem with one speaker "popping" so they couldn't crank it as much as they would have liked to. Still, it was an amazing wall of sound and light. Harvey Bainbridge's set was good but the crowd probably spent more time socializing than really listening. It was great having Harvey play with MQB for the encore. *That* was intense. Harvey and Hardy with keyboards cranking. MQB went on just after midnight and played between 1 1/2 and 2 hours. "Nebula" and "Marijuana Nightmare" were amazing. Forgive me for not getting a song list. They closed with "Beyond the Light" before the encore with Harvey. BTL was tremendous. Really better live than on CD. Still excellent on CD too of course. The keyboards overall might have been a little buried in the sound mix but for the first show of the tour, it went pretty well. Think there were maybe about 60 people there? Didn't get a true door count. And, the crowd was a "Who's Who" of Milwaukee spacerock. ;) Grant and Brian from F/i! http://www.execpc.com/~bwnsng/fi.html They *really* enjoyed the show. Bill Kopecky of Kopecky turned out too. http://kopecky.8m.com/ He and the F/i guys mentioned JJ since they both have connections with him. JJ was in F/i for awhile and the Kopecky brothers are having their live CD release party tonight at JJ's bar in Racine, WI. Hope more BOC-L list members get to catch the tour and the Strange Daze festival. Spacerock lives. Karen From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Oct 20 14:43:50 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:43:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:51:57 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >> >a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections >> >>Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? > >Yet another connection is that Lu Edmonds and Ginger Baker were both in >PiL, although I'm not sure if they overlapped. I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): * Didn't bassist Algy Ward (ex-Saints) play in the Atom Gods with Judge Trev? Or at least in a band (Tank, maybe?) with Atom Gods members? * Bassist Paul Gray (ex-Eddie and the Hot Rods) played in UFO ... much earlier, Larry Wallis played in UFO ... Larry Wallis played on lots of Mick Farren records ... Mick Farren wrote the lyrics to "Lost Johnny" and was in the Deviants with Paul Rudolph ... * The second Damned album, 'Music For Pleasure', was produced by Nick Mason of Pink Floyd. After leaving Pink Floyd, original guitarist Syd Barrett played two gigs with Stars, featuring Twink on drums ... Twink played in the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph ... * During the break in their career (between 'Music for Pleasure' and 'Machine Gun Ettiquite'), Damned singer Dave Vanian joined the Doctors of Madess with Richard Strange ... Richard Strange appears on "Work", Martin Griffin's solo track on Hawkwind's 'Twice Upon A Time / Friends & Relations, vol.2' ... * Current Damned bassist (yes, they've had a lot of them) Patricia Morrison used to play in the Sisters of Mercy (any connections through them that I'm forgetting about?), and before that, in the Gun Club ... Ward Dotson was one of the guitarists in the Gun Club (the other was Kid Congo Powers, who was also briefly in the Cramps) ... after the Gun Club, he was in the Pontiac Brothers ... one of the other guitarists in the Pontiac Brothers was Jon Wahl, who later formed Clawhammer and the Amadans ... the drummer for both those bands was/is Bob Lee, whose other band Backbiter backed Twink as the "LA Pink Fairies" ... long before that, Twink was in the "real" Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph (told you some of these were tenuous!) * And, of course, they broke Michael Moorcock's guitar ... I couldn't figure out a way to connect the Damned to the Cure for the Andy Anderson connection. The Sex Pistols will work, though, since before joining the Pistols, Sid Vicious made his "musical" debut as drummer in Siouxie and the Banshees, and Robert Smith of the Cure played guitar with Siouxie for a couple tours in the early 80s. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 15:07:07 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:07:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: Doug, Is that the same Tank with Simon King & House from 1980-ish? What about the obvious .... Lemmy playing on the Damned's Ballroom Blitz! Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:51:57 +0100, Nick Medford > wrote: > >> >a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections > >> > >>Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? > > > >Yet another connection is that Lu Edmonds and Ginger Baker were both in > >PiL, although I'm not sure if they overlapped. > > I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE > the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): > > * Didn't bassist Algy Ward (ex-Saints) play in the Atom Gods with Judge > Trev? Or at least in a band (Tank, maybe?) with Atom Gods members? > > * Bassist Paul Gray (ex-Eddie and the Hot Rods) played in UFO ... much > earlier, Larry Wallis played in UFO ... Larry Wallis played on lots of Mick > Farren records ... Mick Farren wrote the lyrics to "Lost Johnny" and was in > the Deviants with Paul Rudolph ... > > * The second Damned album, 'Music For Pleasure', was produced by Nick Mason > of Pink Floyd. After leaving Pink Floyd, original guitarist Syd Barrett > played two gigs with Stars, featuring Twink on drums ... Twink played in > the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph ... > > * During the break in their career (between 'Music for Pleasure' > and 'Machine Gun Ettiquite'), Damned singer Dave Vanian joined the Doctors > of Madess with Richard Strange ... Richard Strange appears on "Work", > Martin Griffin's solo track on Hawkwind's 'Twice Upon A Time / Friends & > Relations, vol.2' ... > > * Current Damned bassist (yes, they've had a lot of them) Patricia Morrison > used to play in the Sisters of Mercy (any connections through them that I'm > forgetting about?), and before that, in the Gun Club ... Ward Dotson was > one of the guitarists in the Gun Club (the other was Kid Congo Powers, who > was also briefly in the Cramps) ... after the Gun Club, he was in the > Pontiac Brothers ... one of the other guitarists in the Pontiac Brothers > was Jon Wahl, who later formed Clawhammer and the Amadans ... the drummer > for both those bands was/is Bob Lee, whose other band Backbiter backed > Twink as the "LA Pink Fairies" ... long before that, Twink was in > the "real" Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph (told you some of these were > tenuous!) > > * And, of course, they broke Michael Moorcock's guitar ... > > I couldn't figure out a way to connect the Damned to the Cure for the Andy > Anderson connection. The Sex Pistols will work, though, since before > joining the Pistols, Sid Vicious made his "musical" debut as drummer in > Siouxie and the Banshees, and Robert Smith of the Cure played guitar with > Siouxie for a couple tours in the early 80s. > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 15:52:40 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:52:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <200110201843.OAA06539@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110201843.OAA06539 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE >the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): >* The second Damned album, 'Music For Pleasure', was produced by Nick Mason >of Pink Floyd. After leaving Pink Floyd, original guitarist Syd Barrett >played two gigs with Stars, featuring Twink on drums ... Twink played in >the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph ... There's yet another: a much more direct link between that album and HW: the cover design by Barney Bubbles. So it's quite cool that these two very different but very *righteous* bands should have so many connections. Still waiting for anyone to say a good word about Culture Club though! BTW on the subject of the Damned, they recently brought out their first new material in 13 years- the "Grave Disorder" album, which has all the important ingredients: Sensible, Vanian, Patricia Morrison's distinctive bass, a high octane drummer and a suitably doomy keyboard player: and it contains some of the tastiest, crunchiest psychedelic-Goth-punk-power-pop you're likely to eat all year! Are Vanian and Patricia M partners or do they just look like they should be? -- Nick Medford From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 15:59:18 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:59:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) > Doug, > Is that the same Tank with Simon King & House from 1980-ish? > What about the obvious .... Lemmy playing on the Damned's Ballroom Blitz! Tank was a Motorhead soundalike(and touring partner) featuring Algy Ward (ex Damned I believe). Released a couple of albums including Filth Hounds Of Hades, which came with a free single, which featured a track that IMHO was better then anything on the album! And didn`t they cover a Pink Faries track or was it just a song of the same name. Can`t remember. Also... Didn`t one of the Tank guys go on to play with Huw when he first did his solo stuff circa Outside The Law. The drummer presumably as Ward was the Bassist and it wasn`t him(and Huw wouldn`t need a guitarist!) Si From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 16:01:58 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:01:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <003a01c1599b$9192bb40$855f883e@jezd> Message-ID: In message <003a01c1599b$9192bb40$855f883e at jezd>, J D writes >Doug, >Is that the same Tank with Simon King & House from 1980-ish? Wasn't that band called Turbo? Tank were a sort of sub-Motorhead punk/metal hybrid, I don't think they'd have had much use for Simon House's skills! -- Nick Medford From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 16:07:52 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:07:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <8SZwKrAIYd07Ewia@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:52:40 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Are Vanian and Patricia M partners or do they just look like they should >be? They are married, and thoroughly nice people too.. ;) -S. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 16:15:59 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:15:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <7cm3tt83fg38cv8141pd29fbb16k1j9kv5@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message <7cm3tt83fg38cv8141pd29fbb16k1j9kv5 at 4ax.com>, Steve Pond writes >On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:52:40 +0100, you sent through the ether: > >>Are Vanian and Patricia M partners or do they just look like they should >>be? > > >They are married, and thoroughly nice people too.. ;) For some reason the Addams family comes to mind... -- Nick Medford From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 16:34:32 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:34:32 +0100 Subject: Fw: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: Hi, It's been bugging me since I sent that last e-mail and it's suddenly sprung into my brain. I was thinking of Turbo not Tank. (Both begin with T and are related to travel !) Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) > Doug, > Is that the same Tank with Simon King & House from 1980-ish? > What about the obvious .... Lemmy playing on the Damned's Ballroom Blitz! > Jez > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Pearson > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:43 PM > Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party > 2001) > > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:51:57 +0100, Nick Medford > > > wrote: > > >> >a good band with multiple Hawkwind connections > > >> > > >>Could it have been... pause.. roll of thunder.. The Damned? > > > > > >Yet another connection is that Lu Edmonds and Ginger Baker were both in > > >PiL, although I'm not sure if they overlapped. > > > > I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE > > the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): > > > > * Didn't bassist Algy Ward (ex-Saints) play in the Atom Gods with Judge > > Trev? Or at least in a band (Tank, maybe?) with Atom Gods members? > > > > * Bassist Paul Gray (ex-Eddie and the Hot Rods) played in UFO ... much > > earlier, Larry Wallis played in UFO ... Larry Wallis played on lots of > Mick > > Farren records ... Mick Farren wrote the lyrics to "Lost Johnny" and was > in > > the Deviants with Paul Rudolph ... > > > > * The second Damned album, 'Music For Pleasure', was produced by Nick > Mason > > of Pink Floyd. After leaving Pink Floyd, original guitarist Syd Barrett > > played two gigs with Stars, featuring Twink on drums ... Twink played in > > the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph ... > > > > * During the break in their career (between 'Music for Pleasure' > > and 'Machine Gun Ettiquite'), Damned singer Dave Vanian joined the Doctors > > of Madess with Richard Strange ... Richard Strange appears on "Work", > > Martin Griffin's solo track on Hawkwind's 'Twice Upon A Time / Friends & > > Relations, vol.2' ... > > > > * Current Damned bassist (yes, they've had a lot of them) Patricia > Morrison > > used to play in the Sisters of Mercy (any connections through them that > I'm > > forgetting about?), and before that, in the Gun Club ... Ward Dotson was > > one of the guitarists in the Gun Club (the other was Kid Congo Powers, who > > was also briefly in the Cramps) ... after the Gun Club, he was in the > > Pontiac Brothers ... one of the other guitarists in the Pontiac Brothers > > was Jon Wahl, who later formed Clawhammer and the Amadans ... the drummer > > for both those bands was/is Bob Lee, whose other band Backbiter backed > > Twink as the "LA Pink Fairies" ... long before that, Twink was in > > the "real" Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph (told you some of these were > > tenuous!) > > > > * And, of course, they broke Michael Moorcock's guitar ... > > > > I couldn't figure out a way to connect the Damned to the Cure for the Andy > > Anderson connection. The Sex Pistols will work, though, since before > > joining the Pistols, Sid Vicious made his "musical" debut as drummer in > > Siouxie and the Banshees, and Robert Smith of the Cure played guitar with > > Siouxie for a couple tours in the early 80s. > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com > > > From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Oct 20 17:23:16 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:23:16 -0700 Subject: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <15uyEn-1ryVsWC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:40 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: RFH...a short review > > > Hi folks > > After listening 4 times to this gig I thought it is time for a > short review > > At the beginning I'd like to thank Colin again for his excellent work. > > NEW JERUSALEM > The 1st surprize. The last time this song was performed by Hawkwind was in > 1979. Now here it is again after 22 years. As far as I know only Dave and > Tim were on stage during this song. Phantastic synths. Great performance! Jez Huggett was on stage as well, although you had to see him to know that. During the soundcheck, Huw and Jez joined Tim for this song, and it sounded fantastic, with Jez adding a 'light jazz' feel, which I normally hate, but which worked perfectly there. After that, Jez was inaudible for the first half of the show. ???? > > HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) > The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the > last couple > of years. The best of this song is the middle part. > This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it in > March 1978 during the USA tour. > Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up > from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. Except 1998? > > cheers > Bernhard > From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Sat Oct 20 17:50:52 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:50:52 -0400 Subject: Yule info! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I just checked CDNow and they have 114 bits available from Hawkwind. Yule isn't one of them. The domestics are reasonably priced, all hovering around US$15.00 but figure on at least another US$8~10 for the UK imports. NP: Free System Projekt & Dave Brewer / Okefenokee Dreams (synthesizer music recorded live in the Okefenokee swamp in southern Georgia. TD fans would love it. 'Tron samples abound!) Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of mike c > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:12 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Yule info! > > > Hi Guido > > Andy G. and Stuart H. both sell these things- specialize in this stuff- > when you deal with others, you can be subject to bits of histerical > waiting, or even > back-orders, back orders hahahahahahahaha- but then there are shops that > get that stuff, one that comes to mind is OM (Other Music) in (I believe), > Manhattan > My mind is getting fuzzy, but I think the only *proper* HW CD to come out > in USA is a recent reissue of "In Your Area" > > if I realize I am wrong, somebody will correct me, and if they don't I'll > correct myself.... > > cheers > > ps- I recommend the one without the hair as a start. > mike c > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 18:03:55 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:03:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Noddy Holder on Parkinson Message-ID: I've just watched Ricky Tomlinson and Noddy Holder performing a trad Irish thing on the Parkinson show tonight. I don't suppose anyone taped it did they? I didn't get a blank tape in time. :-( If anyone did, PLEASE email me - either on rich at beerpowerednoisefrenzy.co.uk or r.c.lockwood at brinternet.com - the latter would be good if it's before Monday. Cheers all, and thanks for any help you can give me on this. Love, Rich. NP: New York Skiffle. ("Does your heroin lose its glamour on the washbourd overnight?" From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Oct 20 22:55:16 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:55:16 BST Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: >All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs >I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it > >Lets wait what the November tour will bring. >I hope it will be: > >- A couple of new songs >- Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba >- DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! > >Any other comments ? >cheers >Bernhard Thanks for the review Bernhard, I couldn't make RFH gig, but I enjoyed Canterbury. 'Solitary Mindgames' isn't a song I've ever really liked, but the version at Canterbury with the new section added (loads of brilliant violin from Simon)made it a highlight for me. As for a couple of new songs, well my sugesstion is for a song which is absolutley crying out to be played live, and (I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard!) I don't think it ever has.... NUCLEAR DRIVE Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 18:17:44 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:17:44 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: I think it was played on the Autumn 1984 tour. COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Crook" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > Bernhard wrote: > >All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs > >I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it > > > >Lets wait what the November tour will bring. > >I hope it will be: > > > >- A couple of new songs > >- Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba > >- DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! > > > >Any other comments ? > > >cheers > >Bernhard > > Thanks for the review Bernhard, I couldn't make RFH gig, but I enjoyed Canterbury. 'Solitary Mindgames' isn't a song I've ever really liked, but the version at Canterbury with the new section added (loads of brilliant violin from Simon)made it a highlight for me. As for a couple of new songs, well my sugesstion is for a song which is absolutley crying out to be played live, and (I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard!) I don't think it ever has.... > NUCLEAR DRIVE > > Mick > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Sat Oct 20 19:00:06 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:00:06 +0100 Subject: Off: Gong @ Wavendon Message-ID: Strong & streamin' mates.... despite the bizarre phenomenon of a 20 minute interval! ChrisW From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Oct 20 20:03:41 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:03:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <200110201843.OAA06539@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:43:50 -0400, you sent through the ether: >I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE >the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): Captain Sensible plays on 2 tracks on "The Maximum Effect" & he was in "Short commercial break" a one-off band with Trev & Fred.. I just went on holiday with the Damned's merchandising person.. does that count? ;) -S. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Oct 20 22:28:25 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:28:25 -0600 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of MAN (is now dead dog) In-Reply-To: <041201c159a1$b9d16880$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: The vetrinarian killed my dog with steroids.... if only mom had listened...... m From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Sat Oct 20 22:47:44 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:47:44 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: As karen had pointed out I saw Mr. Quimby's Beard last night in Milwaukee. I think I put 700 miles on my car to see the show. It was a great show and I encourage everyone to go see them. They played for about 2 hours with Harvey Bainbridge joining for the encore Jam. The light show was more intense this year, Jim has some new effects and a laser as well. I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Oct 20 22:47:28 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:47:28 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: i'm hoping to catch the nov 3 show in st.pete would be interested in the cds tim Dan Witt wrote: > > As karen had pointed out I saw Mr. Quimby's Beard last night in Milwaukee. > I think I put 700 miles on my car to see the show. It was a great show and > I encourage everyone to go see them. They played for about 2 hours with > Harvey Bainbridge joining for the encore Jam. The light show was more > intense this year, Jim has some new effects and a laser as well. > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Sat Oct 20 23:18:01 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:18:01 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Don't know if I'll make the JJ Kelly's gig, but I would be interested in the cds too. <<< Dan Witt 10/20 9:47p >>> As karen had pointed out I saw Mr. Quimby's Beard last night in Milwaukee. I think I put 700 miles on my car to see the show. It was a great show and I encourage everyone to go see them. They played for about 2 hours with Harvey Bainbridge joining for the encore Jam. The light show was more intense this year, Jim has some new effects and a laser as well. I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Oct 20 23:45:55 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:45:55 -0400 Subject: Yule info! Message-ID: A friend of mine called me today and said that he received a Voiceprint catalogue listing Yule plus Dave Brock Memos and Demos. He said they were offering 3CDs for 24 pounds which I think is around $40.00 US. He also said there was an 800 number for the US and they took orders 24 hours a day. He is ordering them tonight and hopefully will get them soon. Chris Craig Shipley wrote: > Well, I just checked CDNow and they have 114 bits available from Hawkwind. > Yule isn't one of them. The domestics are reasonably priced, all hovering > around US$15.00 but figure on at least another US$8~10 for the UK imports. > > NP: Free System Projekt & Dave Brewer / Okefenokee Dreams (synthesizer music > recorded live in the Okefenokee swamp in southern Georgia. TD fans would > love it. 'Tron samples abound!) > > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of mike c > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:12 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Yule info! > > > > > > Hi Guido > > > > Andy G. and Stuart H. both sell these things- specialize in this stuff- > > when you deal with others, you can be subject to bits of histerical > > waiting, or even > > back-orders, back orders hahahahahahahaha- but then there are shops that > > get that stuff, one that comes to mind is OM (Other Music) in (I believe), > > Manhattan > > My mind is getting fuzzy, but I think the only *proper* HW CD to come out > > in USA is a recent reissue of "In Your Area" > > > > if I realize I am wrong, somebody will correct me, and if they don't I'll > > correct myself.... > > > > cheers > > > > ps- I recommend the one without the hair as a start. > > mike c > > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Oct 21 03:15:12 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:15:12 +0200 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <20011020215841.WHAP29131.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi Mick At 22:55 20.10.2001 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks for the review Bernhard, I couldn't make RFH gig, but I enjoyed Canterbury. >'Solitary Mindgames' isn't a song I've ever really liked, but the version at >Canterbury with the new section added (loads of brilliant violin from Simon)made it a >highlight for me. As for a couple of new songs, well my sugesstion is for a song >which is absolutley crying out to be played live Yes indeed. SOLITARY MIND GAMES was brillant in Canterbury!! >and (I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard!) I don't think it ever >NUCLEAR DRIVE I agree with Colin. It was played in November 1984 as a mixture of NUCLEAR TOY and NUCLEAR DRIVE The words from N-TOY and the sound from N-DRIVE I really would like to see NUCLEAR DRIVE live. Any chance Dave, Huw ??? cheers Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Oct 21 03:47:12 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:47:12 +0200 Subject: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kevin Thanks for the info about NEW JERUSALEM !! >> HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) >> Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 >>(Exeter). Up from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. >Except 1998? Thats correct. But on the other hand: Was is it really HAWKWIND that played the one and only gig in 1998?. It was a good one but I am not sure if we can count it in as a "real" HAWKWIND gig cheers Bernhard From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun Oct 21 04:01:31 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:01:31 -0700 Subject: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <15vDLs-1ekn5MC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: I say definitely "yes." In my definition, 'unreal' Hawkwind gigs are the ones not sanctioned by the band; this one, except for the unfortunate detention of Dave and Ron, was the real band of the time and completely 'sanctioned' and approved by them. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:47 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: RFH...a short review > > > Hi Kevin > > Thanks for the info about NEW JERUSALEM !! > > > >> HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) > >> Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 >>(Exeter). > Up from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. > > >Except 1998? > Thats correct. > > But on the other hand: Was is it really HAWKWIND that played the one and > only gig in 1998?. It was a good one but I am not sure if we can count it > in as a "real" HAWKWIND gig > > cheers > Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Oct 21 04:10:34 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:10:34 +0200 Subject: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 01:01 21.10.2001 -0700, you wrote: >I say definitely "yes." In my definition, 'unreal' Hawkwind gigs are the >ones not sanctioned by the band; this one, except for the unfortunate >detention of Dave and Ron, was the real band of the time and completely >'sanctioned' and approved by them. I agree with you Kevin !! Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Oct 21 09:48:26 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:48:26 +0100 Subject: life, the universe and things which are not really very nice! In-Reply-To: f. rat's message of Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: f. rat writes: > Anyway (grovel, grovel, whimper in the tone of stray puppy sitting on a > hippy's doorstep at 3am in the p****ing rain) - I am sorry Chris - I never > meant to imply that you had any sympathy with those who practice the "p" > word and I don't really have a warp capability spacecraft, not even use of > one at weekends while my dad's busy weeding the borders. E's 'avin' a go at the Borders now.... FoFP From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 21 12:34:33 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:34:33 +0100 Subject: Yule info! Message-ID: i just like to say that i spent all day saturday going round london looking for Yule ritual in loads of cd stores but couldn't find it anywhere. Is it officially out yet? If it is why can't voiceprint sort out getting it into the shops? Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido N. Vacano" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Yule info! > Hello-- > > There's too much info here about things British, and not enough about > things American. :-) Specifically, I'd love to get my dirty paws on a copy > of the Yule CD, but it's apparently not available by any familiar means. > Will it be released in the U.S.? If not, what's the best way for a resident > of Colorado to get a copy? Also, what "official" albums (excluding > compilations) have come out since _Distant Horizons_? > > Thanks! Guido From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Oct 21 16:06:27 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:06:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? Message-ID: I just found some rather dubious content at http://www.hawkwind.co.uk. It is a promotion by Nik Turner for the Greasy Truckers thing happening today. The message says "Welcome to nikturner.com" but that's not the URL I typed to get there. (But http://www.nikturner.com also takes you to the same page.) There is a link to an open invitation from Nik to other current and past members of the band to participate...interesting to read his stated intentions. I wonder if the actual gig will be like this or just a chaotic shambles? From nycademon at HOME.COM Sun Oct 21 16:22:59 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:22:59 -0600 Subject: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: <200110212006.QAA11091@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Man, that's one butt-ugly page! :-P Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Moonglum . Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 2:06 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? I just found some rather dubious content at http://www.hawkwind.co.uk. It is a promotion by Nik Turner for the Greasy Truckers thing happening today. The message says "Welcome to nikturner.com" but that's not the URL I typed to get there. (But http://www.nikturner.com also takes you to the same page.) There is a link to an open invitation from Nik to other current and past members of the band to participate...interesting to read his stated intentions. I wonder if the actual gig will be like this or just a chaotic shambles? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 21 17:38:25 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:38:25 -0600 Subject: Cybersquatting Transglobally In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Finally cracked open the Transglobal CD last nite (and cracked the case)... it's kick ass. mike sounded like it might as well be "new material from Nik".... ps-I liked the page colors! BUT that music last night was kinda scary Groove Groove?? anyway, bless Nik too- can we please have a means with which to enjoy all these wonderful talents while not being divided? can Nik just be Nikwind? (or Kubasso Kickasso, or whatever he comes up with?) works OK for me!!! From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Oct 21 16:41:12 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:41:12 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Bernhard wrote >I agree with Colin. It was played in November 1984 as a mixture of NUCLEAR >TOY and NUCLEAR DRIVE >The words from N-TOY and the sound from N-DRIVE Thanks Bernhard and Colin, They must not have played it at every gig that tour as I never heard it. Cheers Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Oct 21 17:03:27 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:03:27 +0200 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <20011021203747.TPPD16035.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi Mick At 16:41 21.10.2001 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks Bernhard and Colin, >They must not have played it at every gig that tour as I never >heard it. Here are all track listings from this short tour. You will see that Nuclear Toy(Drive) was played between 16.11.84 - 25.11.84 Maybe you have seen them in IPSWICH, SHEFFIELD or WORTHING where they did not play that song 16.11.1984, WARRINGTON, SPECTRUM, 90/8 ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / curse of man / solitary mind games / angels of death / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain 17.11.1984, CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY, 110/8 dream dancers / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / curse of man / solitary mind games / angels of death / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 18.11.1984, DUNSTABLE, QUEENSWAY HALL, 110/7 ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / sax solo / curse of man / solitary mind games / angels of death / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 19.11.1984, DERBY, ASSEMBLY ROOMS, 110/8 ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / curse of man / solitary mind games / angels of death / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 20.11.1984, LEICESTER, KEISA?S BALLROOM, 110/9 ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 21.11.1984, NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR, 115/8 ghost dance / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / steppenwolf / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / waiting for tomorrow / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 23.11.1984, SLOUGH, FULCUM CENTRE, 105/8 watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / ghost dance / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 24.11.1984, ST. ALBANS, CITY HALL, 110/8 watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / ghost dance / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 25.11.1984, NORWICH, UNIVERSITY, 110/7 watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / ghost dance / nuclear toy(drive) / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 26.11.1984, IPSWICH, GAUMONT, 115/7 watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / right stuff / you shouldn't do that / silver machine / dream dancers / ghost dance / sonic attack / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks /orgone accumulator / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 27.11.1984, SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY, 120/7 intro / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / orgone accumulator / dream dancers / ghost dance / sonic attack / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / right stuff / you shouldn't do that / silver machine / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm 29.11.1984, WORTHING, ASSEMBLY HALL, 110/7 intro / watching the grass grow / motorway city / got your number / coded languages / dragons and fables / ejection / paranoia / space chase / curse of man / psi power / angels of death / solitary mind games / orgone accumulator / dream dancers / ghost dance / sonic attack / mark of cain / assault & battery / night of the hawks / right stuff / you shouldn't do that / silver machine / master of the universe / death trap / brainstorm From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sun Oct 21 20:22:42 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:22:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: <200110212006.QAA11091@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:06:27 -0400, you sent through the ether: > >There is a link to an open invitation from Nik to other current and past >members of the band to participate...interesting to read his stated >intentions. I wonder if the actual gig will be like this or just a chaotic >shambles? Well, I wasn`t expecting much from the Hawkestra & I was pleasantly surprised, they started shakey but did great versions of Hasan I Sahba, You Shouldn`t Do that & Master of the Universe, VERY much heavier then trad Hawkwind, and they all had fun and they all got paid. Top night. -S. -happy. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Oct 21 23:47:02 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:47:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: hasan bin sabbah and the secret order of hashishins Message-ID: >>From the site: http://www.disinfo.com Interesting reading - hasan bin sabbah and the secret order of hashishins http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id985/pg1/ and ... under more information: Disinformation Dossier on Genesis P-Orridge http://www.disinfo.com/pages/dossier/id220/pg1/ Exiled in San Francisco, P-Orridge collaborated with Timothy Leary on multimedia performances and wrote Thee Psychick Bible (1995). He continued collaborating with many seminal artistic figures of the late 20th Century and has appeared on recordings by Hawkwind, Pigface, Download and Merzbow. P-Orridge's art criticism has appeared in Art & Artists, Studio International and Flashart. Live music appearances were halted after P-Orridge was injured whilst escaping Rick Rubin's house during a fire. P-Orridge was recently the subject of Simon Ford's book Wreckers of Civilization (1999), which foreshadowed his triumphant return to England in a series of live music and spoken word performances. His current projects include the new band Thee Majesty, researching Breaking Sex and compiling the definitive Psychic TV Origin of the Species archives. From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 22 02:18:25 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:18:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Noddy Holder on Parkinson Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 22 02:23:30 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:23:30 +0000 Subject: Tank Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 22 04:37:26 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:37:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: MQB MP3 Message-ID: I put the 2nd song of the 10/19/2001 set on the web at: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/mongolian_stopper Just click the link and then click on My Documents there. The MP3 file is public and anybody should be able to download it. To those of you who contacted me about getting a copy of the show I'll try to accommodate you soon. have fun From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 22 04:48:26 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:48:26 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: OK How about you send me two blank cdrs and an envelope with postage. I'll then mail you out the show on them. Dan Witt 705 13th Avenue South St. Cloud, MN 56301 be sure to include a note with what show you want, and make sure the return envelope has your address and sufficient postage on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > i'm hoping to catch the nov 3 show in st.pete > would be interested in the cds > tim > Dan Witt wrote: > > > > As karen had pointed out I saw Mr. Quimby's Beard last night in Milwaukee. > > I think I put 700 miles on my car to see the show. It was a great show and > > I encourage everyone to go see them. They played for about 2 hours with > > Harvey Bainbridge joining for the encore Jam. The light show was more > > intense this year, Jim has some new effects and a laser as well. > > > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it > > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. > From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 22 04:50:11 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:50:11 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Ok Send me two blank cdrs and a return envelope with postage on it. I'll mail the show back to you. Make sure to put your address and postage on the return envelope. Dan Witt 705 13th Avenue South St. Cloud, MN 56301 dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > Don't know if I'll make the JJ Kelly's gig, but I would be interested in the cds too. > > <<< Dan Witt 10/20 9:47p >>> > As karen had pointed out I saw Mr. Quimby's Beard last night in Milwaukee. > I think I put 700 miles on my car to see the show. It was a great show and > I encourage everyone to go see them. They played for about 2 hours with > Harvey Bainbridge joining for the encore Jam. The light show was more > intense this year, Jim has some new effects and a laser as well. > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. > From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 22 04:57:43 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:57:43 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Errrrr, Shiiite! I hate it when that happens. Sorry that was sposed to be private. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Off: MQB From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Oct 22 05:09:37 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:09:37 -0400 Subject: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Does anyone have a CD-R copy to trade? -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 20/10/01 11:40 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Hi folks After listening 4 times to this gig I thought it is time for a short review At the beginning I'd like to thank Colin again for his excellent work. Lets start with the track-listing: lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / new jerusalem / angels of death / sonic attack / watcher / motorway city / hurry on sundown / curse of man / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / ejection / assault & battery / golden void There are 2 real surprizes. They are: - New Jerusalem - Watcher OK, here we go LIGHTHOUSE Unfortunately the song is not complete on the CD-R. Not a bad version but no highlights LEVITATION Superb version. One of the best songs from this gig. Very interesting middle part SPIRAL GALAXY A short version without highlights MOONGLUM Same here. No highlights NEW JERUSALEM The 1st surprize. The last time this song was performed by Hawkwind was in 1979. Now here it is again after 22 years. As far as I know only Dave and Tim were on stage during this song. Phantastic synths. Great performance! ANGELS OF DEATH Interesting song (12 minutes) with an interesting middle part. I like it SONIC ATTACK I never liked this song. But here it is a special one. Mike Moorcock is speaking the words over phoneline from Texas. It ends in an instrumental WATCHER The 2nd surprize. And the 1st highlight. Unfortunately to short. Great bass rhythm, great guitar by Huw. Alan sings like Lemmy. Please HAWKWIND, play it again during the November tour!!! MOTORWAY CITY The 2nd highlight and the best song this evening for me. Again superb guitar playing by Huw HURRY ON SUNDOWN Great song without highlights. I like it though DAMNED BY THE CURSE OF MAN Again a song spoken by Mike Moorcock over the phone. Nothing special here. The last time this song was performed was in 1991 by Harvey during the European HAWKWIND tour (without Dave) HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the last couple of years. The best of this song is the middle part. This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it in March 1978 during the USA tour. Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. I think its time to stop playing it. Please Dave, dig out some better ones out of your vaults!!!! EJECTION A good performance. Unfortunately Alan Davey is singing this song again. Alan is a great bass player and a very friendly person but his singing during this song is absolutely crap! Dave really does it much much better!! ASSAULT & BATTERY A song without highlight GOLDEN VOID One of my all time favorites. A good performance this evening but Canterbury was better. All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it Lets wait what the November tour will bring. I hope it will be: - A couple of new songs - Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba - DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! Any other comments ? cheers Bernhard Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Oct 22 05:22:46 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: I think a great 'live' song by this line up would be Kings of Speed. Alan's strong bass, Dave's vocals and Huw for the twidley bits. I would personally love to hear The Demented Man one day but realise that is pretty unlikely. The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? Also, while I'm online. Nik mentioned at the Brixton gig that it would be recorded for video. Is that ever likely to be released? And lastly was Cpt. Lockheed ever released on CD? Thanks, Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: Mick Crook To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 20/10/01 18:55 Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review Bernhard wrote: >All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs >I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it > >Lets wait what the November tour will bring. >I hope it will be: > >- A couple of new songs >- Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba >- DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! > >Any other comments ? >cheers >Bernhard Thanks for the review Bernhard, I couldn't make RFH gig, but I enjoyed Canterbury. 'Solitary Mindgames' isn't a song I've ever really liked, but the version at Canterbury with the new section added (loads of brilliant violin from Simon)made it a highlight for me. As for a couple of new songs, well my sugesstion is for a song which is absolutley crying out to be played live, and (I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard!) I don't think it ever has.... NUCLEAR DRIVE Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 06:08:10 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:08:10 EDT Subject: Tank Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/2001 2:24:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > There was a song on the filth hounds of hades that was excellent just the one? lol entire record's great! bobm From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 22 06:45:54 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:45:54 +0100 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: Does anyone know whicjh rebels were performing at this, not seen one mention of the gig, so was it as bad as exprcted????? From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 07:28:38 2001 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:28:38 -0400 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: If you mean at the Greasy Truckers Party last night - give us a break, it was only last night... The bit of paper with all the info on set-lists and line-ups is still roaming round London. The Headline News: It wasn't as bad as expected. (But then four simultaneous bass players was always going to amuse me.) On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:45:54 +0100, Daniel Jackson wrote: >Does anyone know whicjh rebels were performing at this, not seen one mention >of the gig, so was it as bad as exprcted????? From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 08:15:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:15:29 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? Don't know the answer to this one >Also, while I'm online. Nik mentioned at the Brixton gig that it would be >recorded for video. Is that ever likely to be released? Take a look at http://www.nikturner.com/hwk_letter.html Answer would appear to be no, for the forseeable future at least > >And lastly was Cpt. Lockheed ever released on CD? Yes. Friend of mine has it, I can get the details from him if you like. Nick M From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 08:59:04 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:59:04 -0400 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: >From memory: Nik Turner Del Dettmar Steve Swindells Jerry Richards Adrian Shaw Thomas Crimble Dave Anderson Ron Tree Mick Slattery Martin Griffin Terry Ollis I think that was it! The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful (which was weird as it was good earlier in the night). Whitegate Drive did not appear and were replaced by an average Blur/Oasis type band, Magic Michael was hopeless, ICU were surprisingly good, Man were excellent but only got a very short slot as ICU over-ran. Andy Dunkley was not there either. Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in the cacophony. I had an interesting chat with Ron Tree who explained about his departure form Hawkwind. COLIN From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 09:00:49 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:00:49 -0400 Subject: RFH...a short review Message-ID: I can do you a copy if you want. COLIN From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Oct 22 09:29:20 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:29:20 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eddie Jobson (are you THAT Eddie Jobson?) asks: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jobson, Eddie > > And lastly was Cpt. Lockheed ever released on CD? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. Yup, on BGO Records. BGOCD5. Don't have the exact year that the CD was released, but I think it was either the late '80's, early '90's (no discernable clue to the date from either the CD or the inlay cards). Full liner notes, credits and it even includes the lyrics to "The Widows Song" which was not on the LP or the CD but was on "Friends & Relations; The Rarities". Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing track spliced in... Ship From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 22 10:06:47 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:06:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Well, I wasn`t expecting much from the Hawkestra & I was > pleasantly surprised, I didn't know quite what to expect either and was likewise happily surprised. Ron and, especially, Jerry seemed to be the ones keeping it together. The problems seemed to be with starting and stopping songs, the middle bits worked just fine. > they started shakey but did great versions of Hasan I Sahba, You > Shouldn`t Do > that & Master of the Universe, VERY much heavier then trad > Hawkwind, and they With four bass players that's gonna happen! > all had fun and they all got paid. Top night. > > -S. > -happy. All in all a top night, and ICU ceratainly rocked. Count me in for Dingwalls if it happens. Nick From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Mon Oct 22 11:08:55 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:08:55 -0500 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: >>> Craig Shipley 10/22/01 08:29AM >>> (are you THAT Eddie Jobson?) I was wondering this too.... Laura Waesche Corporate Express Document & Print Management 1721 Moon Lake Blvd Suite 305 888-252-1526 From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Oct 22 11:11:57 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:11:57 -0400 Subject: Off: Mr Quimby's Beard ROCKS Columbus, Ohio Message-ID: Greetings all, I've been monitoring the archives of this list for a while and decided to finally join, especially after being blown away by Mr Quimby's Beard here in Columbus, OH last night and wanting to tell the world. These guys really exceeded my expectations in live performance. PURE heavy mind-blowing space rock! Quarkspace opened the show and did a fine set, and Harvey Bainbridge's set was great too. Similar to last year for those of you who attended Strange Daze 2000. So... if you've been waffling on attending Strange Daze next weekend, or one of the touring shows in Chicago, Atlanta, St. Petersburg, or Cullman, AL... then you'll be missing something special if you don't go for it. All the show details are at the Strange Trips site: www.strange-trips.com. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From CWarburton at OAG.COM Mon Oct 22 12:06:11 2001 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:06:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria 2000 Message-ID: Naughty Theo.... Go to your basket AND STAY THERE!*GGG* ChrisW ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:25:17 EDT > From: Ted Jackson > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria 2000 > > On 19 Oct 2001, at 10:36, ChrisW Work wrote: > > > I concur with Nick, despite being sober AND straight, > > I don't see what your sexual preference has to do with anything, > unless the gig was held at a gay bar... > > theo > From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Mon Oct 22 12:33:46 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:33:46 -0400 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: Interesting, thanks for the review. Not quite the galactic turn-out then. Nice to have a range of opinion too. Steve Pond (a known objective observer!) was complimentary. Can't quite figure out who the 4th bass player was, though....only Shaw/Anderson/Crimble from your list? And last but most definitely not least, are you going to pass on the details re: Ron's departure from Hawkwind? Or is it a case of respecting the confidence in which this information was given to you? (Which is cool if so.) ----------------------------------------------- On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:59:04 -0400, Colin Allen wrote: >>From memory: > >Nik Turner >Del Dettmar >Steve Swindells >Jerry Richards >Adrian Shaw >Thomas Crimble >Dave Anderson >Ron Tree >Mick Slattery >Martin Griffin >Terry Ollis > >I think that was it! > >The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful >(which was weird as it was good earlier in the night). Whitegate Drive did >not appear and were replaced by an average Blur/Oasis type band, Magic >Michael was hopeless, ICU were surprisingly good, Man were excellent but >only got a very short slot as ICU over-ran. Andy Dunkley was not there >either. > >Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the >event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the >venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! > >Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor >playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO >Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in >the cacophony. > >I had an interesting chat with Ron Tree who explained about his departure >form Hawkwind. > >COLIN From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 22 13:53:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:53:04 -0600 Subject: Nikestra infofeed In-Reply-To: <200110221633.MAA15943@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: ALTER-"pass on the details re: Ron's departure from Hawkwind"-ALTER From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 22 13:00:15 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:00:15 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Nikestra In-Reply-To: <200110221128.HAA14395@listserv.spc.edu>; from shermarama@YAHOO.CO.UK on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:28:38AM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:28:38AM -0400, Gesticulates Very Expressively wrote: > If you mean at the Greasy Truckers Party last night - give us a break, it > was only last night... The bit of paper with all the info on set-lists and > line-ups is still roaming round London. > > The Headline News: It wasn't as bad as expected. > (But then four simultaneous bass players was always going to amuse me.) > > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:45:54 +0100, Daniel Jackson > wrote: > > >Does anyone know whicjh rebels were performing at this, not seen one > mention > >of the gig, so was it as bad as exprcted????? I am indeed, still in London. However, I have a set-list here (Tim and Andy were going to take the piss whether I made one or no) and here therefore is some kind of review. I got there for the last few numbers of The Theory, who had previously been known as Whitegate Drive and had therefore comitted the public relations disaster of changing their name after the old name had gone on the oublicity for what will probably be their biggest ever gig. This band are not going anywhere. They reminded me of Ocean Colour Scene and my comrade and mayhap-convert the above-cited Sherman of Pearl Jam. After a while I thought of the Lucky Bishops too. All these bands do it much better. Nothing to see here. They were followed on by Magic Michael. I don't care if he's Nik's friend, he's awful. We got hacked-around versions of `The Lady is a Tramp' and three other things. He can just about sing, he can just about strum a guitar but it was still awful. Carl couldn't think of anything he'd ever paid to see which was worse and that's perfectly fair in my regard. What's even more annoying is that the running order later over-run so that Man had to be cut short but we got this guy in full. Utterly execrable. Then, we got ICU. I can't explain fully how ICU were without comparison to the Hawkestra but I will say this. They were lots of fun. They didn't quite get it together; in particular the drummer (Dino Ferrari) gave every impression of no longer Having It, and the bass player (Naz) was following him. They just about met up with Steve Pond every now and then but Trev (didn't play enough guitar) and Nik and Babyface Welch (who was great) and a woman on keyboards and vox whose name I didn't get were not really where they were for a lot of the time. Steve seemed to veer uneasily between one and the other. Though he did, as he pointed out, also bring the average age under fifty. Nik paid no attention to anyone but on the other hand he actually got all the words right and in the right place bar one glitch. My overall impression was that with two or three more rehearsals and a different drummer they'd be something quite close to as good as the records suggest they were. And it was great fun. Andy Gilham was in hog heaven so I guess they must have been quite like they used to be. Set-list (yes Tim) was (constructed with Andy's help as I knew very few of these): Bones of Elvis (sounded too much like the _Prophets of Time_ version to me) Virgin Love Solitary Astrid (very silly, words inaudible through Nik's painful falsetto) Short Sharp Shock (does what it says on the tin; introduced by Trev with "We haven't had many rehearsals, you know, so ONE TWO THREE FOUR!" RIFF RIFF RIFF...) ?(didn't get a name for this one) Space Invaders (truly and awesomely fucked-up midsection, Nik's attempts at imitating all the samples and effects of the original very creditable if unsuccessful) ? Little Black Hen (I like this one, didn't know it before) Fungus Among Us (was *great*) (Something that might have been called `No. 1', not half bad) Cybernetic Love (Nik finally in command and right where he was supposed to be, this was one of the ones that came together) `Gas Money' (if that's the title) There were two things here that seemed to be `The Crusher' (which I don't know) from the words but I think only the latter actually was (death-metal Nik!) so I don't know what the previous one was... (Encore) Raj Neesh (bang on. Great) World of LSD (lack of drumming (and indeed Fred Reeves and an organ) really showed up here but it was also awesomely fucked-up) Watching the Grass Grow (not quite on, but still damn energetic) (Second Encore) Pennsylvania 65000 (no vocals, and sped up with increased riffing every time through--by the end anyone dancing would have broken both legs ((C) and (R) Lemmy 1996)) As I say, given more time it would probably have been electrically good; what there was was good enough to leave the crowd very happy. However, they did over-run horribly. So Man only got twenty minutes or so, which was a pity as I've never seen them so good. Deke is looking much better this year, he seemed well and happy. Martin said nothing, a new occurrence for rock surely. Micky was great. The keyboardist was I think a guest, it certainly wasn't Phil Ryan, it may even have been the boy who was with them at Canterbury in 2000. He could have been dispensed with and cost them nothing. His one break was not very good. Especially compared to Mickey and Deke. Set-list (brutally foreshortened) was: Slide Guitar Intro To... (only a minute or so; for shame!) The Ride and the View (which was marvellous, converted Sherman straightaway) Romaine (pretty good) (Encore) Daughter of the Fireplace (bloody good) They rocked and kicked arse and things of that nature. What they didn't do was address a word to the crowd, I suspect because of being mightily pissed off at having their time cut so brutally. Then, then, the Hawkestra. Firstly, the line-up was (left to right): Del Dettmar (wood-axe VCS3 synthi) Commander Jim Hawkman (who was on with ICU too, couldn't see what he was doing but I suspect it was switch doctory in which case given what I was saying of the RFH gig there's a lesson for the real band there; nor do I know who this is unless it's Jim Lascko but isn't he kind of busy just now?) Steve Swindells (oh dear lord no. He *cannot* play; keyboards, vocals) Jerry Richards (1st lead guitar, backing vocals Martin Griffin (drums on some numbers) Jon Moss (drums on the other numbers) Babyface Welch (trumpet on some numbers) Adrian Shaw (bass) Dave Anderson (bass) Nik Turner (sax, flute, vocals, ridiculous latex costume) Thomas Crimble (bass - not sure I got this right, the guy I thought was Dave Anderson was big and fat, this one thin and small) Ron Tree (bass, backing vocals) Terry Ollis (drums) Mick Slattery (2nd lead guitar) also Nick Calvert (poetry) Thus the sound was very heavy. Four bass players. They really could have got one of them on rhythm guitar and it would have helped. Mick wasn't up to holding down a rhythm part and Jerry understandably didn't much want to because he was very good. Steve Swindells really shouldn't have. Otherwise I can't complain, they were all damn good. Especially, I should say, Ron, who was perfectly profeessional all night and did his job like a good 'un. So, what happened? Well, they took the stage less Messrs Welch, Moss and Calvert and started off into something that slowly emerged as `Ghost Dance'. It was, um, not terribly good, but its sheer rhythmic force couldn't be gainsaid. Then, after a moment or two sorting out, `Born To Go'! This is a good point to attempt a simile. `Born To Go' has to me always sounded like a Saturn Five taking off should do. Now, the old Space Ritual era HW is that sort of spaceflight. Huge, almost mindless power to lift something that would now be done in one or two Shuttle launches. The Shuttle is by contrast more like the current HW. It's shiny and technological, gets the job done in half the speed and with much less energy expended, and runs on something like a profit-loss basis. And if you want into space quickly there's no better way. And yet it's not half so impressive as the sheer weight of metal and wasted energy with which America actually put man on the moon. Now, last night we were flying old-style. But with this difference, that Saturn 5s were put into orbit with great care and precision, and here again you can draw a simile with the Space Ritual sound, it was directed to an end and had shapes. This was mostly force. The guidance was at best rudimentary. But if you were there that really didn't matter because the important thing was that force with which it went. Much close, I imagine to the Space Ritual than even last year's bit with Lemmy was, making up for loss of finesse with extra bass and drums. I don't think recordings will convey this at all. It was incredible in a different way to the real band's current incredibleness. And for that uniqueness, very special indeed. `Born To Go' was, as they say, all of that last night. One of the bass-payers was all over it too; I thought it was Dave Anderson (as I thought) as he was the only one I could see doing anything to account for it, but I wasn't able to see Ron and he was playing well enough that it could have been him. Sherman thought it was Adrian being subtle which is also possible. Then, heaven only knows why, Steve read a very bad poem which was probably called `Rock of Ages' given how many times that phrase cropped up. ABAB rhyme scheme, cod content, bad imagery, F-, see me. But anyway. It was soon over and Del made some noise during it. Then came `Spirit of the Age'. This was Ron's turn at the front and he led the crowd through the sing-along bit he's been doing lately but the song itself was bludgeoned through at us and he couldn't get much of a reaction. Nik was trying to get people on stage at points but he didn't succeed--we were standing open-mouthed mostly, or moshing. As the aftermath settled Jon Moss was introduced and took over from Martin Griffin (who looks exactly as he did in 1981. Scary). Now Nik asked the crowd for requests and heard Carl shouting for `D-Rider' and so that's what we got. At least, we got the verses of `D-Rider'--almost everything between them was actually `Golden Void' but you understand I'm not complaining. Nik had just said how they weren't doing any of Dave's songs as he wasn't there and they wanted to do the songs of the people who were so I found it slightly ironic. But also very heavy. This was the only point at which I could actually hear Mick Slattery and he was soloing OK. Not great but not bad. Whether he did anything else of note I don't know. Jerry was really all the guitar there was and he consistently played a blinder. I didn't manage to get my shout for `Orgone Accumulator' heard but someone else did and they did that! I was dumbfounded, not only a band actually playing requests from the floor but this band actually being rehearsed enough to get away with it! It was, well, pretty good really :-) It was followed by Nick Calvert being brought on, very nervously, to read one of Bob's poems; I ddn't recognise it but it was about his and his wife's domestic routine and how they fitted together and it was in no way a candidate for maximum space noise backing such as it got. Mr Calvert looked completely out of place, poor kid. Ah well. As he finished Martin Griffin must have returned to the stand, as he was back there when I next looked. So they did `Masters of the Universe' and pretty much defined blanga. That's all you can say about that. It was. It went on for ages too and it was still too short. Bayface was in on the last bit of it too. Then there was `You Shouldn't Do That', also called from the crowd, and that was similar. You know, we were there by now, this was the stuff, destination was unimportant, it was as locked down as it needed to be and we were being steadily blangad to bits. It was followed by `Hassan i Sabha' which was heavy and unsubtle but very effective, and wound up in a mini-`Welcome to the Future'-style ending. Then, at last, there was `Brainstorm' and that's easily the best version I ever saw and is likely to remain so. It was everything it should ever be with the lack only of Brock guitar but Jerry can imitate it well enough for what was required. Nik did a verse of `Sonic Attack' in a lapse in the middle and then it went on some more. And as the chaos settled and everyone wound up he played `Happy Birthday' to the Hawkestra on his sax. It was, I think we can safely say, the genuine article. The politics of it were right to the fore, Nik made sure we knew whom had refused to do it and so forth (and said Lemmy would have if he could which has got to be a fib) and that it was being done in a cooperative style. That said, the dynamics of it were really interesting. Nik was in command; he was calling changes, albeit fairly basic ones like slow down, quite, speed up, noise, with hand gestures but he never really looked the the band. It was the duty of Lieutenant Richards to put it into practice on one side of the stage and Lieutenant Tree on the other. Jerry was looking directions to Adrian, and Dave and Thomas were pikcing up off him. Ron was picking up off Jerry and Adrian and Mikc and sometimes Thomas were keeping in place by watching Ron. Del was on his own beacuse that's how it works; Steve was panicky all through and mostly watching Nik for guidance which was hopeless. The drummers were I assume taking their leads from Adrian (who was looking all about and at point playing like a demon possessed, never seen him at that pace before) and Ron. It all worked, just about, it shook but it held together. This was what was missing from ICU where Nik and Trev were both uncertain who was leading, Naz and Dino were with each other but no-one else and Steve trying to bring the two factions together from a bad position on stage. They didn't have it together; the Hawkestra, amazingly, did. All credit to them I say; Nik's proved at least some of his points. Yours, Jon P.S. The merchandise stall also had a (one) copy of Harvey's _Red Shift_ which no-one else bought. So I did, ner. I also wound up in Brighton for the night for unclear reasons and before I'd left it had managed to acquire _Family Tree_ for eight quid and a Man LP. But that's all right because for the third week running Birkbeck assure me the administrative difficulties which have stopped my funding arriving are solved so the money will be there to pay for it all imminently. Oh yeah :-) Politics Bass-playing styles Communications -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 13:07:32 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:07:32 +0100 Subject: Tank Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tank >Was the single not " (fell in love witha)Stormtrooper" Bside "blood, guts and beer" Nope. It had Don`t Walk Away (live?) on one side. Can`t remember the other side. Wasn`t Blood Guts and Beer the title or from the second album? >There was a song on the filth hounds of hades that was excellent, but, wait for it,,,, i can't remember what it >was called, AH YES I CAN " turn your head around" They certainly had something in that `two many pints good for a laugh` sort of way. Si From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 13:05:44 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:05:44 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual - - Out Now??????? Message-ID: I've not been able to find it yet. I'm in the UK. Anyone else seen it in a shop. Gutter Cat. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 13:11:27 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:11:27 EDT Subject: Tank Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 6:07:10 PM GMT Daylight Time, sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK writes: > Nope. It had Don`t Walk Away (live?) on one side. Can`t remember the other > side. Wasn`t Blood Guts and Beer the title or from the second album? The Snake. I thought you'd have known that Si. LOL Steve. aka Gutter Cat. From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 13:36:58 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:36:58 +0100 Subject: Tank Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tank > In a message dated 10/22/01 6:07:10 PM GMT Daylight Time, > sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK writes: > > > > Nope. It had Don`t Walk Away (live?) on one side. Can`t remember the other > > side. Wasn`t Blood Guts and Beer the title or from the second album? > > The Snake. I thought you'd have known that Si. LOL :) That`s the one. Was it the Pink Fairies track? I don`t have it to hand to check. Si From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 13:46:05 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:46:05 EDT Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 1:59:17 PM GMT Daylight Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful > > Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the > event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the > venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! > > Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor > playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO > Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in > the cacophony. I see another double live CD on the horizon. LOL Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 13:45:45 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:45:45 EDT Subject: Tank Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 6:36:00 PM GMT Daylight Time, sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK writes: > :) That`s the one. Was it the Pink Fairies track? I don`t have it to hand to > check. > > Si The Snake (Sanderson, Hunter) Steve. From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 14:00:38 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:00:38 +0100 Subject: Tank Message-ID: > > :) That`s the one. Was it the Pink Fairies track? I don`t have it to hand to > > check. > > > > Si > > The Snake > (Sanderson, Hunter) In that case, Yes it is! Si From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Oct 22 19:19:53 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:19:53 BST Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: >Here are all track listings from this short tour. You will see that Nuclear >Toy(Drive) was played between 16.11.84 - 25.11.84 > >Maybe you have seen them in IPSWICH, SHEFFIELD or WORTHING where they did >not play that song, Cheers Bernhard, it was much earlier in 1984 (Feb I think)that I saw HW that year, which explains why I never heard it. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 14:35:00 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:35:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:06:47 +0100, you sent through the ether: >All in all a top night, and ICU ceratainly rocked. Count me in for >Dingwalls if it happens. Thanks! A christmas gig of some sort will happen, if not at Dingwalls then certainly the Underworld.. (Anyone have a preference?) -S. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Oct 22 14:34:59 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:34:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer Message-ID: For your education and entertainment: One of the world's great mysteries, solved. http://www.scientificamerican.com/news/102201/1.html Brian OBCD> The Hi-Risers "Panic!" From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Mon Oct 22 14:52:10 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:52:10 -0600 Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl Message-ID: This weekend at a used book sale at St. Johns College I found a copy of Girl School's " Hit and Run" ( on red vinyl ) Anyone interested in having it may email me directly. Mark L mlicht at cybermesa.com From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Oct 22 14:50:26 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:50:26 +0200 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <20011022182046.EXLN16962.t21mta02-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi Mick At 19:19 22.10.2001 +0100, you wrote: >Cheers Bernhard, it was much earlier in 1984 (Feb I think)that I >saw HW that year, which explains why I never heard it. Thats it! Bernhard From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 22 16:03:01 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:03:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Imagine the possibilities of Patrice Warrener....... m From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Oct 22 15:04:43 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:04:43 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <200110200813.EAA04906@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 04:13:46AM -0400 Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 04:13:46AM -0400, Doug Pearson wrote: > >latterly of... pause... Culture Club. > > I would *love* it if someone on the list would step up and defend them > against my prior defamation ... anyone? Not me! But then, Karma Chameleon was pretty catchy. A lot of shit artists have done, like, one good song apiece. Material Girl was a perfect 3-minute summation of the entire decade. Billie Jean. Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked, but I've managed to avoid even thinking of them for long enough now that it's lost, hopefully forever. My brother would have Suspicious Minds and Born to Run on his list, but I'm not *quite* so down on those guys... I bet a lot of people for whom Depeche Mode are gods would say: Spirit of the Age. > (or at least convince me that they > were better than Duran Duran?) If DD had even one good song, I don't know it. Q.E.D. The only cool thing DD had going for them was their name. Ditto Heaven 17 (obscure movie references both). -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 22 15:09:28 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:09:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 Oct 2001, at 14:03, mike c wrote: > Imagine the possibilities of Patrice Warrener....... > m I'd dispute their assertion that green glass inhibits skunkiness. Witness Molson Golden==green bottle==definitely skunky, wheras Molson Export==brown bottle==not skunky. Molson Ice is kinda skunky too, and...sure enough, green bottle... theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 22 15:26:44 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:26:44 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:15:29 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400, Jobson, Eddie >wrote: > >>The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? > >Don't know the answer to this one It sounds to me like the backing track from the released version. My guess would be that it's a rough mix made after the instrumental tracking sessions were finished, given to the singer (Brock) to practice vocals with before recording them in the studio ... certainly a common recording practice. >>And lastly was Cpt. Lockheed ever released on CD? > >Yes. Friend of mine has it, I can get the details from him if you like. As someone else said, on BGO in the late 80's. BTW the lyrics to "The Widow Song" were included in the booklet that came stapled into the original gatefold LP package. Apparently the reason why the song was never released is that Nico (!!) was supposed to sing it, but for some reason that fell through (does anyone know who sings the version on 'Friends & Relations 3'? Is that Jill Riches[sp?] Calvert?). This would have been entirely plausible, since in 1974 (the year Capt. Lockheed was recorded), Brian Eno (who plays on the album ... credited by all 13 of his middle names!) produced Nico's 'The End' LP and appeared with her at Kevin Ayers' "June 1st, 1974" Rainbow concert with John Cale. It's too bad that didn't happen - it would have been very cool to have such a direct Hawkwind/Velvet Underground connection ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 15:26:44 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:26:44 EDT Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 7:50:41 PM GMT Daylight Time, mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM writes: > This weekend at a used book sale at St. Johns College I found a copy of Girl > School's " Hit and Run" ( on red vinyl ) Anyone interested in having it may > email me directly. Great post for a Hawkwind list! Steve. YEAH RIGHT! From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 15:27:47 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:27:47 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now????? Message-ID: Does anybody know? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 22 16:35:33 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:35:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer In-Reply-To: <3BD436A9.24962.6092E2@localhost> Message-ID: I was thinking sabotage.... skunky "Heinies" sure can exist......green bottles...... m From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 22 15:46:54 2001 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:46:54 +0000 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: >From: Colin Allen >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Nikestra >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:59:04 -0400 > >>From memory: > >Nik Turner >Del Dettmar >Steve Swindells >Jerry Richards >Adrian Shaw >Thomas Crimble >Dave Anderson >Ron Tree >Mick Slattery >Martin Griffin >Terry Ollis > >I think that was it! > >The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful >(which was weird as it was good earlier in the night). Whitegate Drive did >not appear and were replaced by an average Blur/Oasis type band, Magic >Michael was hopeless, ICU were surprisingly good, Man were excellent but >only got a very short slot as ICU over-ran. Andy Dunkley was not there >either. > >Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the >event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the >venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! > >Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor >playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO >Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in >the cacophony. > >I had an interesting chat with Ron Tree who explained about his departure >form Hawkwind. > >COLIN ne more on Rons dep? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Oct 22 16:36:50 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:36:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer In-Reply-To: <3BD436A9.24962.6092E2@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > I'd dispute their assertion that green glass inhibits skunkiness. > Witness Molson Golden==green bottle==definitely skunky, wheras > Molson Export==brown bottle==not skunky. Molson Ice is kinda > skunky too, and...sure enough, green bottle... Maybe SU would be willing to offer you a grant to find out for sure? I'll volunteer to be the objective taste tester--and I'll do it for free if I can bring some friends over.... Brian OBSong> "Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers" ZZ Top From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 16:36:16 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:36:16 EDT Subject: Tank Message-ID: 1st single: EP: dont walk away/hammer on/shellshock (produced by eddie clarke 1st lp: filth hounds of hades 2nd single: bonus w/1st lp: don't walk away live/the snake (yes the 'fairies song) 3rd: dont walk away/steppin' on a landmine 4th: fell in love with a stormtrooper/blood guts and beer live 2nd lp: power of the hunter ok bobm From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 16:50:39 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:50:39 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? Message-ID: Could you give me some info on this that I can pass onto my local Indie record outlet, who, btw, knew nothing about this release. And this is a GOOD record/cd outlet. When was it officially released in the UK? Why doesn't anyone know about it? Your starter for ten. ( Sounds like an Indian waiter talking) LOL Steve. From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Mon Oct 22 19:51:38 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:51:38 -0700 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: . . . . . as I have been also, not wanting to call attention ;) From UK, for UK, with UK, At 10:08 AM 10/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > >>> Craig Shipley 10/22/01 08:29AM >>> > >(are you THAT Eddie Jobson?) > >I was wondering this too.... > >Laura Waesche >Corporate Express Document & Print Management >1721 Moon Lake Blvd >Suite 305 >888-252-1526 From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 22 17:12:58 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:12:58 -0500 Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Steve Johnson wrote: :Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? : :Could you give me some info on this that I can pass onto my local Indie :record outlet, who, btw, knew nothing about this release. And this is a GOOD :record/cd outlet. : :When was it officially released in the UK? :Why doesn't anyone know about it? : :Your starter for ten. ( Sounds like an Indian waiter talking) LOL : :Steve. Steve, See http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/hawkwind/hawkvp19.htm Surf up a level or two in order to get ordering info for your outlet. They also have ecommerce available, if you want to order direct. I got my copy from AndyG last week. Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 17:18:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:18:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Wind of change Message-ID: Many people have asked over the years about the inspired transition between Wind of Change and Golden Void on Dave Brock's mixing of RoadHawks... I've finally tracked a copy down and put the segue up on the web: http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/segue.mp3 (mono, 30 secs, 433k) Happy listening! There's also a couple of new pics of Simon on the Pictures page, for those that are interested (Thanks, Keith!) ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 17:23:42 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:23:42 +0100 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: Ron Tree was bass player #4. No comment in public on the other:) Cheers! COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moonglum ." To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Nikestra > Interesting, thanks for the review. Not quite the galactic turn-out then. > > Nice to have a range of opinion too. Steve Pond (a known objective > observer!) was complimentary. Can't quite figure out who the 4th bass > player was, though....only Shaw/Anderson/Crimble from your list? > > And last but most definitely not least, are you going to pass on the > details re: Ron's departure from Hawkwind? Or is it a case of respecting > the confidence in which this information was given to you? (Which is cool > if so.) > > ----------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:59:04 -0400, Colin Allen > wrote: > > >From memory: > > > >Nik Turner > >Del Dettmar > >Steve Swindells > >Jerry Richards > >Adrian Shaw > >Thomas Crimble > >Dave Anderson > >Ron Tree > >Mick Slattery > >Martin Griffin > >Terry Ollis > > > >I think that was it! > > > >The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful > >(which was weird as it was good earlier in the night). Whitegate Drive did > >not appear and were replaced by an average Blur/Oasis type band, Magic > >Michael was hopeless, ICU were surprisingly good, Man were excellent but > >only got a very short slot as ICU over-ran. Andy Dunkley was not there > >either. > > > >Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the > >event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the > >venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! > > > >Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor > >playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO > >Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in > >the cacophony. > > > >I had an interesting chat with Ron Tree who explained about his departure > >form Hawkwind. > > > >COLIN > From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 17:31:12 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:31:12 +0100 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: So Nik promised us!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Nikestra > In a message dated 10/22/01 1:59:17 PM GMT Daylight Time, > colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > > The Nikestra performance was fairly awful, the sound quality was dreadful > > > > Nik spent a fairly large part of the Nikestra set rabbiting on about the > > event and who he had invited etc etc. The set over-ran and ended when the > > venue cut off the power during Brainstorm! > > > > Overall, moderately enjoyable apart from the terrible sound and the poor > > playing from some members. It was a pity that the better musicians IMHO > > Steve Swindells, Jerry Richards and Adrian Shaw) were almost inaudible in > > the cacophony. > > I see another double live CD on the horizon. LOL > Steve. > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 17:40:01 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:40:01 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on tomorrow. Regards, Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 17:41:19 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:41:19 EDT Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 10:32:08 PM GMT Daylight Time, colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > So Nik promised us!!!! Oh dear. Steve. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 17:47:23 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:47:23 +0100 Subject: Nikestra Message-ID: I know! He even said that it was being recorded on a poor quality deck!!!!!!!!!!! COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Nikestra > In a message dated 10/22/01 10:32:08 PM GMT Daylight Time, > colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > > So Nik promised us!!!! > > Oh dear. > Steve. > From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Oct 22 17:53:36 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:53:36 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011022164829.0301eaa0@mail.hypernova.net> Message-ID: Well, here is his response to me... quoting "no, he is this Eddie Jobson". The mystery remains... NP: Franz Zappa / Strictly Commercial (The other Eddie Jobson played on a few releases of his..) Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of dhuggins > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:52 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > . . . . . as I have been also, not wanting to call attention ;) > > From UK, for UK, with UK, > > At 10:08 AM 10/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >>> Craig Shipley 10/22/01 08:29AM >>> > > > >(are you THAT Eddie Jobson?) > > > >I was wondering this too.... > > > >Laura Waesche > >Corporate Express Document & Print Management > >1721 Moon Lake Blvd > >Suite 305 > >888-252-1526 > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 22 18:14:05 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:14:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl Message-ID: Album, presumably? I'd be interested in a single... I think this is the first time on the list anyone's mentioned something I've got!!! Anyone else for Girlschool 1/11/01 (I think) at the Borderline? Cheers, Rich. > This weekend at a used book sale at St. Johns College I found a copy of Girl > School's " Hit and Run" ( on red vinyl ) Anyone interested in having it may > email me directly. > > Mark L > mlicht at cybermesa.com > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 22 18:43:16 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:43:16 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Nikestra In-Reply-To: <20011022180015.F15661@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Jon Jarrett opined: >Steve Swindells (oh dear lord no. He *cannot* play; keyboards, vocals) I have to disagree! I though Steve Swindells was out there doing a great job! > Thus the sound was very heavy. Four bass players. They really >could have got one of them on rhythm guitar and it would have helped. Nah, if your gonna have a rhythm guitar, you might as well replace it with a bass anyway (cf. Lemmy :) > Then, heaven only knows why, Steve read a very bad poem which was >probably called `Rock of Ages' given how many times that phrase cropped >up. ABAB rhyme scheme, cod content, bad imagery, F-, see me. But >anyway. I'm going to completely disagree again :) That poem sounded to me like perfectly solid Mike Moorcock rip and was aboslutely spot on for the vibe. Super-pulp-cheese-space-opera, which was exactly what the doctor ordered :) >This was the only point at which I could actually hear Mick >Slattery and he was soloing OK. Not great but not bad. Whether he did >anything else of note I don't know. Actually, I could hear him at several points -- we were just on the wrong side of the stage to really be aware of what he was doing, I think. He did indeed keep it up OK, AFAICT. > I didn't manage to get my shout for `Orgone Accumulator' heard but >someone else did and they did that! I was dumbfounded, not only a band >actually playing requests from the floor but this band actually being >rehearsed enough to get away with it! Well, it really doesn't take long to get most of that material knocked into shape .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 22 18:29:45 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:29:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01.22 +0100 01-10-22, Steve Pond wrote: >On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:06:27 -0400, you sent through the ether: > >There is a link to an open invitation from Nik to other current and past >>members of the band to participate...interesting to read his stated >>intentions. I wonder if the actual gig will be like this or just a chaotic > >shambles? > >Well, I wasn`t expecting much from the Hawkestra & I was pleasantly surprised, >they started shakey but did great versions of Hasan I Sahba, You Shouldn`t Do >that & Master of the Universe, VERY much heavier then trad Hawkwind, and they >all had fun and they all got paid. Top night. Hawkestra was excellent! No backing tapes and sequencers there -- just a lot of blanga. It was surprisingly coherent, but sufficiently incoherent to be fun :) I totally enjoyed that. ICU "2002" was also a real treat. Never thought I'd hear a lot of that stuff played live! Still not sure I did :) The only downer of the evening was that the very dubious Magic Michael took up time that should have been alloted to MAN, who played like very heavy fiends for far too short a time. Otherwise, everything ruled :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 22 18:45:53 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:45:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl In-Reply-To: <001501c15b46$dd666c40$d3ec7bd5@bpnf001> Message-ID: At 23.14 +0100 01-10-22, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Anyone else for Girlschool 1/11/01 (I think) at the Borderline? Woah! Totally! Girlschool effin' rock! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 22 19:30:47 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:30:47 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and I know that they planned to record the dates and release something from it. While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for here, professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was Dead Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been consulted first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians think??? Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be earned.........respect to be respected. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at least. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Off: MQB > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 22 19:06:53 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:06:53 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: no-ones mentioned how many people were there. is this because there weren't many??? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 22 19:17:21 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:17:21 -0400 Subject: NIK: Nikestra ICU setlist? Message-ID: Can anyone help fill in the blanks ... ? Steve? Or just send me a tape so I can do it myself ... ;^) On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:00:15 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote something like (parenthetical comments are from me): >Bones of Elvis >Virgin Love >Solitary Astrid >Short Sharp Shock (aka "Dogrot Animal") >? - didn't get a name for this one >Space Invaders >? >Little Black Hen (that would be "Little Black EGG") >Fungus Among Us > - Something that might have been called `No. 1', not half bad >Cybernetic Love >Gas Money >The Crusher > >(Encore) >Raj Neesh >World of LSD >Watching the Grass Grow > >(Second Encore) >Pennsylvania 65000 Thanks! -Doug (and thanks, Jon, for the AMAZING review!) jasret at mindspring.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 22 19:24:54 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:24:54 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now????? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/01 2:30:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time, StevePXR5 at AOL.COM writes: > Does anybody know? > Yes. Andy G at CD Services can get you one. andygee at pipex.com Just got my copy in the mail today, and am listening now. Sounds good so far! Joe From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 22 18:16:12 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:16:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Voiceprint Message-ID: Hi Folks... Someone was mentioning the deal that Voiceprint is offering, and coincidentally I just received a catalogue in the mail promising that same offer. It says All CD's (herein) for UKP9.99 or 3 titles for UKP25 (P&P included). Which right now is a reasonable $36 or so ($12 per). However, I can tell from a mock order on the website that they expect more for overseas shipping (says nothing about this in the catalog or order form). And it looks to me like it's UKP3 for the first CD, and UKP1 for each additional, so then another five quid for a three-pack. Which is still not bad...UKP30 being about $43-44, just under $15 per disc. Now what's weird is that the *huge* number of titles advertised in the flyer at these rates isn't available from the website (voiceprint.co.uk) from what I can tell, though there they have a 'Hawkwind-only' sale offer (and two other bands-The Fall & John Martyn) that is this same deal. So it apparently is no good to go there and expect to order all the special CDs for a tenner that are listed in the print catalogue. (Why?) Normal prices are UKP12.99, so not at all enticing at this rate. Also, it seems as if the 'shopping cart' device isn't smart enough to register the 'special offer' price on the Hawkwind discs (list below-this is roughly the same as listed in the flyer under HW) if you order them from the regular catalog listings, and so I guess you have to actually click the 'add to cart' on that specials page in order for the thing to calculate it right. And I couldn't do that since my browser didn't pick up the little boxes or circles you were supposed to click on. But anyway.... So I suppose if I really want to get this 3 for 25/30 quid deal on *all* the titles, I hafta mail 'em back this order form??? Seems silly. And for those that didn't get one, I guess you might consider going to their website and filling in your name and address for a free catalog (right there on the home page). Or has somebody emailed them to ask about whether you can order these electronically at the discounted prices? For those that don't have a catalogue in front of them, it sure looks like most of the label is right here (barring double length things like Astoria, and the brand new Brock 'Memos & Demos' (single disc) (which is in fact listed on the website now - see http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/hawkwind/hawkvp20.htm)...anybody get this yet? I assume this is '7696' (just as I'm still assuming that 'SpaceBrock' was 'Looking for Love in the Lost Land of Dreams'). I love how these titles never stick. Anyway, some of the things offered at discount look hard to pass up...including Gong's "Gong est Mort" (I thought this wasn't even *ON* CD yet?), Didier Malherbe's "Bloom" and "Faton-Bloom" (the latter with the guy from Zao? How are these?), the Weird CDs I don't already have, the Paradogs album, Huwy's "Like an Arrow" (I dunno, I like this album), and Pink Fairies' "King of Oblivion." I think I could probably come up with a package of six from these that would be a good deal at 50UKP plus 8UKP P&P ($14 per CD). I guess this is a 'economy-is-slow-because-of-the-recession-made-worse-by-the-WTC' sale, just as cars are being sold over here with 0% interest. Anyway, I'm going to take advantage of it, whether I have to send a letter to the UK or not. BTW, what is airmail postage these days? I think it went up from 50c to 60c or something in the last year, didn't it. Grakkl (FFA) P.S. Something about MQB/Harvey to come shortly. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/offers.htm - Traveller Field Glastonbury - Weird Tapes 1: Sonic Assasins - Dave Brock - Weird Tapes 2: Hawkwind Live - Hawklords Studios - Weird Tapes 3: Free Festivals - Weird Tapes 4: Live 1978 - Weird Tapes 5: Live 1976-1977 ****Didn't someone say that Weird 6 was reprinted? (KAH)**** - Family Tree - Weird Tapes 7: Dave Brock Demo's - Paradogs: Foul Play At The Earth Lab - Book/CD ****What's this? My guess is 'Dawn of Hawkwind' (KAH)**** - In Your Area - Spacebrock From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 22 19:48:47 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:48:47 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Oh I didn't know that. Hardy didn't mention it to me when I spoke to him briefly at the show. I'll forward this email to them right now and see what they say. Of course if they release anything from this date, anybody who has a copy from me would be obligated to buy the official release. I think that's the way anybody here would play it. But to be safe, since it has been brought up, all trades I have set up of the show are cancelled for now. I will post the answer I get to the issue of trading. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. > I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and I > know that they planned to record the dates and release something from it. > While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for here, > professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do > here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was Dead > Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been consulted > first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians > think??? > Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without > realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be > earned.........respect to be respected. > I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at least. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 22 19:45:05 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:45:05 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Hmmmm.....as long as you have the original too, of course. For the record, the Capt Lockheed CD is still available, royalties are still being paid to the contributors and so purchase rather than burning is the order of the day.......from wherever you like, of course. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shipley" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing > track spliced in... > > Ship From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Oct 22 19:48:57 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:48:57 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: OK - I've already posted, but to copy the shows like this is not the name of the game is it? I KNOW MQB would not be happy about this. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > Errrrr, > > Shiiite! I hate it when that happens. Sorry that was sposed to be private. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Witt" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: Off: MQB From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 22 20:06:40 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:06:40 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB In-Reply-To: <009d01c15b51$d32b6680$d786bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: => whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. => I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and I => know that they planned to record the dates and release something from it. => While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for here, => professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do => here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was Dead => Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been consulted => first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians => think??? When I looked on the MQB WWW site, they had some of their old albums for download in their entirety. So, it's not out of the realms of possibility that they would be okay about trading their live shows. => Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without => realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be => earned.........respect to be respected. ...profiles to be raised (by spreading live shows). => I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at least. I'm sure that goes double from you for the tapes of the RFH and Nikestra gig recordings that were offered on here recently? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Mon Oct 22 20:15:47 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:15:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Capt. Lockheed CD (was RFH...a short review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:29 22/10/01, Ship wrote: >Yup, on BGO Records. BGOCD5. Don't have the exact year that the CD was >released, but I think it was either the late '80's, early '90's (no >discernable clue to the date from either the CD or the inlay cards). Mine has (P)1999 BGO Records above the barcode on the bottom RH corner of the back cover & on the disc. I also has a square silver sticker proclaiming:- "REMASTERED FROM ORIGINAL MASTER TAPES" "ADDITIONAL SLEEVE NOTES" - Don't have the vinyl to compare, but I think this is a porky "FAITHFULLY RESTORED ARTWORK" perhaps, but crummily reproduced - I reckon I could do better with a halfway decent scanner and colour laser printer. ChrisW NP: James Taylor Quartet - Check It Out, Best Of The Acid Jazz Years Saw 'em tonight at Wavendon, danced mys ass off. It may be a "No Smoking" venue, but not when these guys are performing *G* From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Oct 22 23:46:12 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:46:12 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Whooaaah....but there's the other side of the coin.. I have never heard of MQB, and probably wouldn't have thought about finding other recordings or even attempted to look for them even if they were available for purchase. I mean...sheesh, I live in bumfuck Louisiana, and who in the hell is MQB. I would hope to think that they are that of themselves ala Metallica???? Ever heard of Papa Chubby? Kewl stuff. Found it on the internet, and will probably purchase some of his new stuff. Government Mule has free tunes available on their site, as do the GD, Phil Lesh, etc....and I will still buy their records, including the new ones because I like their music. It's the free stuff that made me aware of what they their new stuff sounds like. Like alot of people, I actually go to record stores and buy albums just to see what they sound like for shits and grins, and spend alot of money doing it. Some still remain in their cellophane after one listening. Oh well. I think at least limited releases on the internet are beneficial to bands trying to make a name for themselves. The tunes that were mistakenly (?) made available here piqued my interest enough, though to check out some of their other stuff and maybe even buy some if it was easily available. Thanks for the introduction to MQB, by the way, even if not band sanctioned...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. > I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and I > know that they planned to record the dates and release something from it. > While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for here, > professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do > here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was Dead > Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been consulted > first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians > think??? > Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without > realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be > earned.........respect to be respected. > I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at least. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Witt" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:47 AM > Subject: Off: MQB > > > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make it > > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Oct 22 23:53:14 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:53:14 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: > would hope to think that they are that of themselves ala Metallica???? Oh...I meant I hope that they are not too full of themselves........(stil lerning to typ) From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 00:00:33 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:00:33 +0100 Subject: NIK: Nikestra ICU setlist? In-Reply-To: <200110222317.TAA20202@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:17:21 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Can anyone help fill in the blanks ... ? Steve? No problemo.. :) 1. Bones of Elvis 2. Virgin Love 3. Solitary Astrid 4. Dog Rot 5. See You Soon Baboon 6. Space Invaders 7. Walking in the Sand 8. Little Black Egg 9. Fungus Among Us 10. Two Worlds 11. Cybernetic Love 12. Gas Money 13. Skinheads in Leningrad 14. The Crusher 15. Raj Neesh 16. World of LSD 17. Watching the Grass Grow Encore: In the Nood. -S. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Oct 23 00:00:20 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:00:20 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: (Ooops I think I used bad words and my previous post didn't go through....OK....here goes once again in it's original format with those danged words changed.....) Whooaaah....but there's the other side of the coin.. I have never heard of MQB, and probably wouldn't have thought about finding other recordings or even attempted to look for them even if they were available for purchase. I mean...sheesh, I live in bumfunk Louisiana, and who in the heck is MQB. I would hope to think that they are not as full of themselves ala Metallica???? Ever heard of Papa Chubby? Kewl stuff. Found it on the internet, and will probably purchase some of his new recordings. Government Mule has free tunes available on their site, as do the GD, Phil Lesh, etc....and I will still buy their records, including the new ones because I like their music. It's the free stuff that made me aware of what they their new material may sound like and spend money for it. Like alot of people, I actually go to record stores and buy albums just to see what they sound like for shites and grins, and spend alot of money doing it. Some still remain in their cellophane after one listening... Oh well. Still do it, always will. I think at least limited releases on the internet are beneficial to bands trying to make a name for themselves. The tunes that were mistakenly (?) made available here piqued my interest enough, though to check out some of their other stuff and maybe even buy some if it was easily available. Thanks for the introduction to MQB, by the way, even if not band sanctioned...... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 23 02:58:48 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:58:48 -0700 Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby! Message-ID: Hey Folks... Here's my review...perhaps not the amazing metaphorical zoo that Jon Jarrett offered on the Nikestra, but I try my best. :) Mr. Quimby's Beard/Harvey Bainbridge/Quarkspace - Columbus OH - Little Brothers 10/21/01 Space Rock shows rarely come to Columbus, and so if you want to see them, you pretty much have to book them yourself. Thanks to Jerry K., I didn't actually have to be the one to do all the legwork. Scheduled to lift off at 8:30 PM (trying to get an early start on this schoolnight), Quarkspace actually started their set closer to 9 PM, but still got to play a full 70 minutes of prime quality space rock. This was perhaps the most diverse repertoire I've heard from them, sprinkling in some numbers from their earliest recording days with some brand new material that I hadn't ever heard before. A pair of loopy multilayer space jams (that perhaps represent their most familiar milieu) led off the show, including the always energetic and cosmic "Starbridge Freaks." Right from the start, I was pleased to hear the excellent sound mix with Chet Santia's bass cranked way up and thumping merrily from underneath the elevated stage where the large woofers lurked. Percussionist/keyboardist Paul Williams was seemingly outfitted with more electronic gear than normal vs. a smaller e-percussion pad, but didn't appear to be limited in anything but space with which to operate on the crowded stage. Keyboardist Jay Swanson was virtually invisible behind the Quimbys' massive synth gear, but his fluid e-piano runs were perfectly audible. Santia switched over to acoustic guitar at times (guitarist Stan Lyon countering with his own bass guitar), and at one point seemed to employ an e-bow device for an unusual-sounding 'acoustic-drone' effect. I don't think I had seen Q-space perform "In the Shadows" (from 'Hidden Moon') before, and it turned out really nicely live, and so was probably the highlight for me. I can't comment so much about the new tunes, especially since I don't even remember the titles, but you can check out the entire album yourself at www.quarkspace.com where the band is offering 'Drop' for free download. What I did know well were the updated versions of "I See the Water Wash Me Away" (that was first done this way last year at SD2000 I think) and "Dancing Swan," both of which featured extended improv middle-sections that were like isolated cosmic day-trips to nearby moons. "Fade to Black" was also brought back from long ago, coming across more subdued and gothic-flavored than even on the debut 'Quarkspace' CD. All-in-all, a first rate set that only led us to demand more. Which we got! Quarkspace's gear was quickly removed from the stage, and long-time Hawkwind veteran Harvey Bainbridge fired up his bank of synths and tape devices. It was roughly a year ago when he graced this very same stage, and although his show was similar in style, it also featured some different works. During the ambient/electronic intro, we heard snippets of his Hawkwind past in the form of "The Demise" from 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' and "The Scan." These were just little soundbites, but soon thereafter he took us into the "Mutation Zone," a wildly-rearranged pulsating synth extravaganza based on the Bainbridge-penned track of the same name on Hawkwind's 1988 'Xenon Codex' CD. Similarly modified for an all-synth interpretation, his 1978 classic "Free Fall" was presented as it was at Strange Daze 2000 (and the excellent Live CD from Strange-Trips.com). Near the end of the hour-long performance was a couple space/ambient selections I didn't recognize, and then another reinterpreted piece - "It Could Be Day" from the 'Afrodiziac' album by the Bainbridge/Alman duo known as the Alman Mulo Band. As always, Harvey's vocals were delivered in his signature semi-spoken, mocking voice that suits his peculiar socio-political commentary. A solid set of electronic wizardry from one of the masters, and the perfect interlude for preparing for the heavy onslaught from the Beard. Jim Lascko's Solar Fire Lightshow was as strong as ever, and included this year a computer-driven green-laser light device that emanated from under Harvey on far stage-left projecting out and over the audience, and then 'danced' to the music in MIDI-lockstep. The rotating psychedelic wheel designs, NASA-style still photos, and strobe lights were projected as always on the white screen behind the stage to great effect, though I remember even more fondly the wonderful audio-visual show we were treated to last year when Harvey was performing last on a nearly empty stage where the canvas became so much larger. Finally, midnight was near and the five who so courageously travelled so far from their home in Sunderland, upon the River Wear in the northeast of England, to raise the spirits of our saddened colonies did just that. Mr. Quimby's Beard included numbers from each of their three superior space rock albums in their nearly two-hour set, all done in the most lively and spirited fashion. Early on, the Quimby's settled into a steady hyperspace drive with three offerings from their most recent CD, 'The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of ' and it was quickly imparted to us that the virtuous sounds archived on that disc were no fluke...these lads can deliver the goods in person. Hardy's synth banks awoke magnificently for his composition "Darkness," and we had no problem hearing the wild screamin' electronic outbursts that occasionally sprang from the overhanging tweeters. That wonder was followed up with the mysterious "Mystery" and the stompin' "Nebulae." Kidd's bass guitar was equally boomy as Quarkspace's Santia, so a good balance was heard by the audience - very important due to the fact that it was darn loud! If I were to make one complaint about the mix, it was that rhythm guitarist Ray was often buried underneath that of lead guitarist Tim Jones*, and Jones' guitar sound was lightly fuzzed and tuned up to the trebly side. Not exactly the prime 'blanga' sound, but then that may have been the soundman's fault (who otherwise did a stellar job) and anyway, the punchy bass brought the overall median frequency down to appropriate levels and it was not particularly bothersome. On the contrary, both Ray's and Hardy's vocals were clear and well-delivered, and they can pull off the difficult task of mixing more lyrical lines with the occasional semi-shouting fit (they make it work), and a fair amount of space-whispery 'oohs' and 'aahs.' Somewhere in the middle of the set, the Quimby's treated us to the classic "Marijuana Nightmare" from the self-titled cassette/CD, one of several tunes they do with that great 'cosmic conquistadors' sound that I really like. I'm not sure, but then I think they offered some new material, or at least I remember one excellent instrumental passage that featured an excellent fast and loopy bassline that I couldn't locate on any of the three discs later. The Beard ended their set with the fabulous space anthem "Beyond the Light," true to the album and a joy to hear live. With enthusiastic encouragement from the Central Ohio SpaceRock Backers Club, MQB (with assistance from Harvey Bainbridge) retook the stage for the "Bringin' up the Acid" (from 'Out There'), a blissful dreamy space beginning but a blistering crunchy space rocker finish to round off a fabulous night. I've seen the Ozric Tentacles three or four times (probably the band that Quimby's are most often compared to), and this show was on par with any of those. I'll get to see them again in just a few days at Strange Daze '2001, and although it might seem like a case of 'been there done that,' I'm really looking forward to seeing this band perform one more time. I may not get the opportunity to witness the Beard again for some time and that's unfortunate. A great night of space rock in my own backyard - we have to make them count, and this one definitely counted! Tremendous. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *(although I thought Jerry told me his name was Jim, so perhaps they got a new lead guitarist?) Time now for the addendum The fun started in early afternoon over at the Kranitz residence, nary a half mile from my own desperately-cluttered flat in wonderful downtown Grandview Hts., OH. All the Quimby's (plus Mr. A. "Polly" Pollard, of MQB-spinoff Alfresco Mantis, and recently of A-I.com), three-fourths of Quarkspace (nightshifter/guitarist Stan 'The Man' Lyon was still sound asleep somewhere amongst the autumn breezes blowing through the recently-harvested cornfields), and last but not least Harvey and wife/SO. Deb K. graciously provided the sumptuous victuals (fried chicken, potato salad, and baked beans - a hearty midwestern-style meal that a jealous Mr. Kranitz was denied from fully enjoying due to diet restrictions), and then eventually after some random conversation we all headed over to Little Bros. to get everything set up for the show. At the show, copious amounts of merchandise was available. Included was the SD2001 official T-shirt featuring a MQB-related front design, and all the band names from the weekend event listed on the back as in previous years. A really nice design (available in several shirt colors, including white, grey, and yellow), as long as you're not particularly squeamish about protruding alien genitalia. Those of you with the 'Definitive Unsolved Mysteries...' disc should know of what I speak. CDs were spread upon several tables, including the entire Quarkspace catalog, the three Quimby CDs plus Hardy's solo disc, and then a number of Strange Trips specials. These included (I think) the three that were released last year (Harvey's for sure), but also a couple of 'new' CD-R specials that Jim has offered (perhaps just for the tour?). Alman Mulo's Afrodiziac (which I believe has been OOP for over a decade) and Harvey's more recent solo effort 'Red Shift' (which I didn't look at, but I assume it was also a S-T CDR?, unless Harvey had his own stash of Taste issues which I rather doubt). I got an Afrodiziac for myself, and just put it on moments ago to discover it doesn't read easily on either of my disc-players. But with a little encouragement, it did finally 'read' and play - seems to play fine now but I'll probably burn myself an extra copy for security. Not sure if anyone taped the show - wasn't really paying attention. I don't have the energy to waste today on lamenting about attendance, or rather the lack of it. Suffice it to say that those that were there enjoyed themselves immensely and will be Quimby fans for life. And hopefully this weekend will draw lots of folks that will help the bands that travelled so far feel like their efforts weren't in vain. If we can manage it, Jerry and I will attempt to do an interview with Harvey for A-I.com, so if there's something that you've been dying to ask him but never had the opportunity, send me a personal email (henderson.120 at osu.edu) and we'll see if we can get an answer for you. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. As I've been typing and editing this, I've been listening to 'Afrodiziac,' which although I have been paying that much attention, seems to be a pretty good album - and perhaps the best of the three Alman Mulo's I've heard. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Oct 23 00:24:34 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:24:34 -0500 Subject: NIK: Nikestra ICU setlist? Message-ID: Now, a live release of that would be great if a good recording was made.....any word on that, Steve? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Pond" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: NIK: Nikestra ICU setlist? > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:17:21 -0400, you sent through the ether: > > >Can anyone help fill in the blanks ... ? Steve? > > > No problemo.. :) > > 1. Bones of Elvis > 2. Virgin Love > 3. Solitary Astrid > 4. Dog Rot > 5. See You Soon Baboon > 6. Space Invaders > 7. Walking in the Sand > 8. Little Black Egg > 9. Fungus Among Us > 10. Two Worlds > 11. Cybernetic Love > 12. Gas Money > 13. Skinheads in Leningrad > 14. The Crusher > 15. Raj Neesh > 16. World of LSD > 17. Watching the Grass Grow > Encore: In the Nood. > > > -S. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 00:40:07 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:40:07 +0100 Subject: NIK: Nikestra ICU setlist? In-Reply-To: <001101c15b7a$9e79ba80$13654c42@coxinternet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:24:34 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Now, a live release of that would be great if a good recording was >made.....any word on that, Steve? I`m afraid it was recorded to 16 track analogue.. I'm going to campaign to be allowed to fix all my muck-ups before release!! I don`t think I got all the way thru any song without a major blunder.. I think the plan is to do a "Greasy Truckers 2" album with snips of each band, then a full live album of each band, don`t quote me on that tho.. -S. -hates doctored live albums, will pay to doctor this one! From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Tue Oct 23 00:51:56 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:51:56 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Let me add a few things here, just to clarify I guess. When I went to the show I asked for permission to tape, I was given permission to tape, I did nothing furtive. I guess I assumed in that environment there was no problem with letting other people hear what I recorded. There were 5 people that I saw taping the show, with either video or audio devices, all in plain sight. I still believe now that the band will not have a problem with this, I really do, but I'm fine with whatever the decision is. I agree open trading of live shows is a good thing for bands. I think we all know the arguments. The thing to remember is this; if you like a band and enjoy listening to the live stuff make sure you buy some official CDs. That's common sense and probably doesn't have to be said. If you like and own a particular live show and the band releases that exact show, you really must buy it, there again just common sense. I would never knowingly do anything to harm any band or any of the retailers on this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > The tunes that were mistakenly (?) made available here piqued my interest > enough, though to check out some of their other stuff and maybe even buy > some if it was easily available. > > Thanks for the introduction to MQB, by the way, even if not band > sanctioned...... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > > whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. > > I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and I > > know that they planned to record the dates and release something from it. > > While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for here, > > professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do > > here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was Dead > > Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been consulted > > first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians > > think??? > > Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without > > realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be > > earned.........respect to be respected. > > I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at > least. > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Witt" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:47 AM > > Subject: Off: MQB > > > > > > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll make > it > > > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. > > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 22 23:51:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:51:37 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: >Let me add a few things here, just to clarify I guess. > >When I went to the show I asked for permission to tape, I was given >permission to tape, I did nothing furtive. I guess I assumed in that >environment there was no problem with letting other people hear what I >recorded. There were 5 people that I saw taping the show, with either video >or audio devices, all in plain sight. I still believe now that the band >will not have a problem with this, I really do, but I'm fine with whatever >the decision is. Jerry and/or I can talk to Hardy about this come Saturday, if you think it would make things kosher and everything. I know he reads this list (via the archives at least) and so I'm guessing he understands the general commitment we have towards supporting artists and would likely approve up to a certain point. (like copying the 'commercial' albums and offering boot CDRs on Ebay being the kind of 'point' I'm referring to). BTW, all three MQB are available in the US through 'us' at www.aural-innovations.com for those who want any of them, and I'm sure AndyGee is the man (as usual) for those in the UK/Europe. It's hard to just recommend one (all three are really strong works), but for simplicity, just pick the newest (The Definitive Undisclosed Mysteries...), and work backwards ('Out There' and then 'MQB' S/T). Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 23 01:33:00 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Novadriver in the UK soon? Message-ID: Me again... I was just browsing through the site for the Detroit 'heavy groove/space rock' band known as 'Novadriver' (those who just got my 2xCD compilation will note the track by Walk on Water, who is nearly the same group w/ just a different vocalist - similar style still but maybe a little heavier yet than that track). Anyway, they just had a little writeup in Kerrraapppp! (which is posted up there on their site), and they mention a plan to tour the UK in November. However, their tourdate list indicates that they have shows planned for the local MI/OH area all the way into December (Cleveland show Nov. 10th. Might hit that one myself), so I'm guessing the 'New World Order' has put them on hold as far as going 'cross the pond. Anyway, those of you into that sort of stoner thing that are in the UK might want to keep your eyes open for Novadriver appearing in a pub near you in the not-too-distant future, 'cause I'll probably forget to look at their site when the time is right. Grakkl (FAA) From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Oct 23 03:32:17 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:32:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Capt Lockheed on CD Message-ID: Calvert CDs inc Lockheed are listed at; http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=ROBERT_CALVERT&s=1151 >>>> > And lastly was Cpt. Lockheed ever released on CD? > > Thanks, > > Eddie. Yup, on BGO Records. BGOCD5. Don't have the exact year that the CD was released, but I think it was either the late '80's, early '90's (no discernable clue to the date from either the CD or the inlay cards). Full liner notes, credits and it even includes the lyrics to "The Widows Song" which was not on the LP or the CD but was on "Friends & Relations; The Rarities". Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing track spliced in... Ship From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Oct 23 04:21:11 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:21:11 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: I sent a note to Jim Lascko (where the Quimby's are staying) suggesting Hardy post an opinion. I do recall him mentioning the other night that recordings seemed to be available but I was too full of Killians and fired up about the show to really note his feelings about it. Good host that he is, Jim has taken the Quimby clan and Harvey to Niagra Falls and then they're off to the Chicago show tomorrow so it may not be till the end of the week that he responds. Jerry Kranitz From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 04:22:37 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:22:37 -0400 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: It felt like about 800 max. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 04:42:40 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:42:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Anyone else for Girlschool 1/11/01 (I think) at the Borderline? > > Woah! Totally! Girlschool effin' rock! :) > > Cheers, > Carl Just checked the Borderline website - Girlschool *is* the first of November. Cheers, Rich. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 06:52:48 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:52:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I felt compelled to respond to this, in the spirit of continual boc-l non- consensus :) On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:04:43 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: > >Not me! But then, Karma Chameleon was pretty catchy. Hmmmm... I thought it was a dreadful slice of weedy blandness, but I would say this much: Boy George could actually sing. Unlike, for example, Simon Le Poseur in Duran Duran. Violent Femmes' cover of Do You Really Want to Hurt Me is quite good though... > >A lot of shit artists have done, like, one good song apiece. In general I disagree. But then I tend to operate from a position of black bilious hatred towards such "artists", so maybe I'm too biased to judge fairly. >Material Girl was a perfect 3-minute summation of the entire >decade. I know what you mean, but it was still very crap indeed, was it not? However... there is one Madonna song I do like a lot... "Justify My Love" - I remember hearing it on the radio and thinking wow! what is this- truly erotic, so cool and so hot at the same time... ahem. When the DJ said it was the new Madonna single, I would have fallen off the floor had that been possible. >Billie Jean. Um... no. Lost me again. >Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked Surely a tad harsh, lumping the Cure in with the above! They weren't that bad. I saw them play at Glastonbury one year and they were a good live outfit. > >If DD had even one good song, I don't know it. Q.E.D. I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... It's truly painful to think about all this... growing up in the 80s liking prog and psych was a real test of character, not to mention bloody- mindedness. Most of my peers had crap highlights in their hair and would mercilessly mock my latest vinyl purchases on the bus home from school. Until the day I bought "Flying Teapot", which was *so* over-the-top it actually freaked them out. They all went quiet and asked if I was feeling alright. How strange that it's "OK" to like psychedelia now. When I first discovered it I relished the extreme anti-fashion statement it seemed to embody. Strangely enough, within my circle of prog-loving schoolfriends, I could never convince any of them that Hawkwind were great. One of my old mates from that time became the biggest Gong fan I know- he has virtually everything Daevid Allen has ever released (which is a lot)- but he still maintains that Hawkwind are crap. C'est la vie. But it's worth noting that all these crummy 80s pop acts were at least "real bands" of sorts, unlike the manufactured tosh foisted on us now. > >The only cool thing DD had going for them was their name. Ditto >Heaven 17 (obscure movie references both). Agreed. Viddy well, oh my droogs. NM From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 06:59:07 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231052.GAA23766@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... > The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... "Spandau Ballet". (Culture Club's version of "Melting Pot" isn't that bad...) Cheers, Rich. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 07:07:04 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:07:04 -0400 Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:40:01 EDT, Steve Johnson wrote: >Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on tomorrow. There is a serious problem here though, if even good independent stores know nothing about this album. I mean, this is potentially HW's most important release for years. They are enjoying their highest profile for quite a while, it's a top-notch recording of a wonderful gig, with a mix of old and new material, and there must be a real chance it will re-awaken some lapsed fans' interest. But not if they know nothing about it, and can't get hold of it even when they do! Unfortunately, short of winning the lottery and financing a big marketing and distribution drive, I'm not sure what can be done to publicise it. (Street theatre? Graffiti campaign? Suggestions on a postcard.) NM From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 07:13:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:13:24 -0400 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... >> > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... "Spandau >Ballet". I'd forgotten about them. Tricky one, it's like trying to decide which of two turds you would rather find in your cereal bowl. However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their luck. And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 07:20:00 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:20:00 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231113.HAA24057@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > >> > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the > lot, yeah... > >> > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... > "Spandau > >Ballet". > > I'd forgotten about them. Tricky one, it's like trying to decide which of > two turds you would rather find in your cereal bowl. Chortle! > > However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more > pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet > didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their > luck. > > And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! Matt Bianco!! Curiosity Killed The Cat!!! Five Star!!!! Bros!!!!! Hayzee Fantayzee. (John Wayne apparently *is* "Big Leggy) Arf arf arf!!! (Dissolves into hysterical, yet horrified giggles...) :-) Cheers, Rich. From CWarburton at OAG.COM Tue Oct 23 07:25:45 2001 From: CWarburton at OAG.COM (ChrisW Work) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:25:45 +0100 Subject: Off: Sci-Fi Nostalgia Message-ID: I thought that they were just toooo obscure for words, though I do remember "Four Feather Falls" & "Torchy". Can't recall "Twizzle", though I have heard of it... There was also the non-Anderson puppet show called "Space Patrol" with the spaceship like a spinning gyroscope, but that seems to have vanished without trace ChrisW >> > >> > And before that... "Supercar" >> > > >And before that Four Feathers Fall > " " " Torchy, The Battery Boy > " " " The Adventures Of Twizzle > >William From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Oct 23 07:46:53 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:46:53 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <030801c15b59$58910300$d786bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Yes, Andy, I own both of the CD's in question. This burn would be done to add "TWS" into where it would have been if it had been included on the CD or LP, to see what the flow would have been like. I do not do or condone burning CD's for people who are too cheap to buy the original, if it is still in print. Long OOP, well, that depends... I recently burned three OOP titles for a chap here in the US that does a radio show and could not get copies of the CD's to play on his show. If these titles were still in print, he would have gotten 'em for free... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:45 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > Hmmmm.....as long as you have the original too, of course. For the record, > the Capt Lockheed CD is still available, royalties are still being paid to > the contributors and so purchase rather than burning is the order of the > day.......from wherever you like, of course. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Shipley" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing > > track spliced in... > > > > Ship > From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 08:44:57 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:44:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > For your education and entertainment: > > One of the world's great mysteries, solved. > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/news/102201/1.html > > Brian > OBCD> The Hi-Risers "Panic!" The hop plant is, I believe related to S. Sativa. This may explain the "skunkiness" of some beers! It has been suggested (though not by me) that grafting a hop stem onto the root off of S. Sativa may produce hops with measurably different effects on the human brain than the normal varieties of hop unadulterated in this way. Hmmmmm. f rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 08:46:05 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:46:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Skunky Beer Message-ID: Oops - think I mean C. Sativa! From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 08:54:52 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:54:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: > >Material Girl was a perfect 3-minute summation of the entire > >decade. > > I know what you mean, but it was still very crap indeed, was it not? I've often wondered, the song being sooooooo bad, whether Madge was actually taking the mick from step one with this one. > >Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked > > Surely a tad harsh, lumping the Cure in with the above! They weren't that > bad. I saw them play at Glastonbury one year and they were a good live > outfit. Haven't seen them but I can't help but agree - even the kitsch "Love Cats" is still cool - makes me laugh anyway. I hope that's what whatsisface intended! > Until the day I bought "Flying Teapot", which was *so* over-the-top it > actually freaked them out. They all went quiet and asked if I was feeling > alright. How strange that it's "OK" to like psychedelia now. When I first > discovered it I relished the extreme anti-fashion statement it seemed to > embody. > > Strangely enough, within my circle of prog-loving schoolfriends, I could > never convince any of them that Hawkwind were great. One of my old mates > from that time became the biggest Gong fan I know- he has virtually > everything Daevid Allen has ever released (which is a lot)- but he still > maintains that Hawkwind are crap. C'est la vie. I can just understand someone liking Gong but not Hawkwind - that's a matter of taste. It's people who don't get either that I don't go for!! > But it's worth noting that all these crummy 80s pop acts were at least > "real bands" of sorts, unlike the manufactured tosh foisted on us now. At least!!?? This means things are STILL getting worse. Omigawd!!!! f rat From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR Tue Oct 23 09:32:13 2001 From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:32:13 +0200 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Albert, Thanks for your last message. I always admired you and this is not changing ;-) Cheers, JCMoriaud From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Oct 23 10:36:08 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:36:08 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: >OK - I've already posted, but to copy the shows like this is not the name of >the game is it? I KNOW MQB would not be happy about this. >Andy G. Huh, are you saying this is the first time you've heard of a taper trading a gig? Give me a break! There have been trades and trees of most good bands for decades, you know that. I have a problem with your post(s), and that is bringing a bad vibe to this list about such things. Possibly next time someone tapes a show they may be less likely to trade/tree a gig (at least publicly). I know where you stand on this issue (you made your point in the Napster thread in the past) and why (CD retail and your label Dead Earnest). I'm not defending or even taking sides on the legal aspect. But realize this is a list of fans, doing what fans do best. If you become the watcher for the "music industry" it will take something away from BOC-L. Sometimes, its best to let things go, regardless how strong you feel. So which hat are you going to wear? A "fan" or that of a "music industry" watchdog? I hope you remain a fan, because your post are funny and informative. If its the later (or both) then I think you have a conflict of interest and should refrain from promoting you business on both HW lists. PS gotta call ya on the quote above, I don't think you "know" that MQB would object to sharing a copy of that show. -- Doug Bates From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 23 12:29:38 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:29:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... They had nice clothes... >>> Nick Medford 10/23/01 05:52AM >>> I felt compelled to respond to this, in the spirit of continual boc-l non- consensus :) On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:04:43 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: > >Not me! But then, Karma Chameleon was pretty catchy. Hmmmm... I thought it was a dreadful slice of weedy blandness, but I would say this much: Boy George could actually sing. Unlike, for example, Simon Le Poseur in Duran Duran. Violent Femmes' cover of Do You Really Want to Hurt Me is quite good though... > >A lot of shit artists have done, like, one good song apiece. In general I disagree. But then I tend to operate from a position of black bilious hatred towards such "artists", so maybe I'm too biased to judge fairly. >Material Girl was a perfect 3-minute summation of the entire >decade. I know what you mean, but it was still very crap indeed, was it not? However... there is one Madonna song I do like a lot... "Justify My Love" - I remember hearing it on the radio and thinking wow! what is this- truly erotic, so cool and so hot at the same time... ahem. When the DJ said it was the new Madonna single, I would have fallen off the floor had that been possible. >Billie Jean. Um... no. Lost me again. >Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked Surely a tad harsh, lumping the Cure in with the above! They weren't that bad. I saw them play at Glastonbury one year and they were a good live outfit. > >If DD had even one good song, I don't know it. Q.E.D. I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... It's truly painful to think about all this... growing up in the 80s liking prog and psych was a real test of character, not to mention bloody- mindedness. Most of my peers had crap highlights in their hair and would mercilessly mock my latest vinyl purchases on the bus home from school. Until the day I bought "Flying Teapot", which was *so* over-the-top it actually freaked them out. They all went quiet and asked if I was feeling alright. How strange that it's "OK" to like psychedelia now. When I first discovered it I relished the extreme anti-fashion statement it seemed to embody. Strangely enough, within my circle of prog-loving schoolfriends, I could never convince any of them that Hawkwind were great. One of my old mates from that time became the biggest Gong fan I know- he has virtually everything Daevid Allen has ever released (which is a lot)- but he still maintains that Hawkwind are crap. C'est la vie. But it's worth noting that all these crummy 80s pop acts were at least "real bands" of sorts, unlike the manufactured tosh foisted on us now. > >The only cool thing DD had going for them was their name. Ditto >Heaven 17 (obscure movie references both). Agreed. Viddy well, oh my droogs. NM From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 23 12:30:37 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:30:37 -0500 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! Men Without Hats? >>> Nick Medford 10/23/01 06:13AM >>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... >> > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... "Spandau >Ballet". I'd forgotten about them. Tricky one, it's like trying to decide which of two turds you would rather find in your cereal bowl. However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their luck. And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Oct 23 12:57:29 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:57:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I have been watching this topic with interest, and glad to see that you have finally explained/justified your deep knowledge of crap 80's pop bands Nick! (Facking hippy!!) As for myself, er, well, I was in my early 20's at the time, and err... To go back to the original question, i.e. which were worse out of Duran Duran and Culture Club: "Sir, there is no settling the point of precedency between a louse and a flea." (-the always apposite Dr. Samuel Johnson) Personally I think Duran Duran were a better band with an execrable vocalist. Culture Club were a shite band but Boy George once had it in him (!) to be a great white soul vocalist. Their best effort, IMHO, being Time (Clock of The Heart). The other thing to consider is that Boy George went to Crown Woods school in Eltham, South-East London. Duran Duran were, I believe, from Birmingham. Draw your own regionally-biased conclusions if you have them... I saw the Cure way down on the bill at Reading 79...when they were playing "10.15 Saturday Night" etc.. Robert Smith did not have a chest wig in those days...they were better than most of the other bands. Motorhead suffered the indignity of going on BEFORE The Tourists, who were precursors to Eurhythmics. And John Peel, who DJ'd, played "Life Form" and "Infinity" from the just- released PXR5 album... Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:52:48 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: <<>> > >>Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked > >Surely a tad harsh, lumping the Cure in with the above! They weren't that >bad. I saw them play at Glastonbury one year and they were a good live >outfit. > From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 23 12:56:25 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:56:25 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis Message-ID: David Blunkett , the British Home secretary has announced that Cannabis will be downgraded from Class B to Class C in the Spring, making it no longer an arrestable offence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loading up a bowl as I wrie! Hallefookinluya!!!!!!! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 23 13:03:16 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:03:16 EDT Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Oct 2001, at 11:30, Laura Waesche wrote: > And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > Men Without Hats? > Which of those 2 did The Safety Dance? That was a great song! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 23 13:07:50 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:07:50 EDT Subject: british home secretary/cannabis In-Reply-To: <000b01c15be3$aaa30a00$e548073e@djsatan> Message-ID: On 23 Oct 2001, at 17:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: > David Blunkett , the British Home secretary has announced that > Cannabis will be downgraded from Class B to Class C in the Spring, > making it no longer an arrestable offence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loading up a bowl as I wrie! > Hallefookinluya!!!!!!! Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 23 13:09:37 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:09:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231657.MAA25638@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 23 Oct 2001, at 12:57, Moonglum . wrote: > Personally I think Duran Duran were a better band with an execrable > vocalist. They had some musical merit, for sure... Culture Club were a shite band but Boy George once had it > in him Do you think he had it in him just once? theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 13:14:45 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:14:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:57:29 -0400, Moonglum . wrote: >glad to see that you have finally explained/justified your deep knowledge >of crap 80's pop bands Nick! In Essex, early 80s, it was biologically necessary to know about these things. For some reason, even Essex girls weren't interested in my amazing collection of early 70's gatefold album covers. Although your pop triv knowledge would appear to be even deeper... >The other thing to consider is that Boy George went to Crown Woods school >in Eltham, South-East London. How the hell did you know this?! Avid "Smash Hits" reader in the 80s eh? You'll be teling us what Nick Heyward's favourite colour was next! ;) Nick PS- assuminmg you weren't a Smash Hits devotee, would I be right in surmising that you know his educational history because you went to the same school? From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 23 13:25:08 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:25:08 +0100 Subject: bLUNKETT Message-ID: No m,ention of it, but I was a bit excited at that news, so let's hope this sanity bust has other good effects From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 23 13:49:59 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:49:59 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Safety dance was MWOH! great tune!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > On 23 Oct 2001, at 11:30, Laura Waesche wrote: > > > And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > > > Men Without Hats? > > > Which of those 2 did The Safety Dance? That was a great song! > > theo From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Oct 23 13:55:15 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:55:15 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: british home secretary/cannabis > On 23 Oct 2001, at 17:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > David Blunkett , the British Home secretary has announced that > > Cannabis will be downgraded from Class B to Class C in the Spring, > > making it no longer an arrestable offence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loading up a bowl as I wrie! > > Hallefookinluya!!!!!!! > > Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! > What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? > > theo Nah, its still totally illegal to be Scotish. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 23 14:06:06 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:06:06 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:07:50 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! Mostly this is so they can legalise prescription cannabis if the evidence comes in from their research (and this move probably indicates that they know it will). Note that it's still possibly 2 years and a fine for posesssion and 5 years and a fine for supply (including passing a joint). Of course they'd have to really want to get someone to do this, but it is still the law.; Sanity would be the actual abandonment of Prohibition II. It'd also do the most financial damage to terrorists, ever. Drugs are the second (to oil) biggest business in the world, and most of the profit is reaped by terrorists and criminal gangs. Most of the profit is in the form of legal risk premium. If legalised, prices would collapse (even given tax at the alcohol level) and the source of such profits would disappear overnight. We'd also be able to take 5p off income tax or equivalent spend elsewhere. > What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? I'm pretty sure it's a reserved power. We do have our own Drug Czar, but I expect him to toe the Party line. FoFP From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Oct 23 14:17:10 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:17:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: british home secretary/cannabis Message-ID: Congratulations from the "land of the free, home of the brave"! One day, maybe some of our alcoholic crack smoking politicians here will come to their senses and do the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: Re: british home secretary/cannabis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Jackson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: british home secretary/cannabis > > > > On 23 Oct 2001, at 17:56, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > > > David Blunkett , the British Home secretary has announced that > > > Cannabis will be downgraded from Class B to Class C in the Spring, > > > making it no longer an arrestable offence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! loading up a bowl as I wrie! > > > Hallefookinluya!!!!!!! > > > > Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! > > What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? > > > > theo > > > Nah, its still totally illegal to be Scotish. > From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Oct 23 14:16:53 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:16:53 -0700 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I think that here on this side of the pond we fared somewhat better, depending on your point of view of course. Yes there was an enormous load of crap pop, but the majority of the UK/Euro fashion bands never gained a toehold over here. The vast wateland of US radio & MTV was pretty much the exclusive territory of crap hair-metal bands. There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), early OMD was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. On the other hand, there were truly inumerable "bands" that were abominations upon the Earth - Spandau Ballet was excrement; Haircut 100, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Hayzee Fantayzee and others of their ilk existed primarily as fashion statements. I do particularily loathe Culture Club, but a personal most-despised band of the time is Dexy's Midnight Runs, er, Runners. 'Come On Eileen' gets me all choked up, like the way Jimi died..... scorch From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 23 14:24:38 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:24:38 EDT Subject: british home secretary/cannabis In-Reply-To: <200110231806.TAA16940@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 23 Oct 2001, at 19:06, M Holmes wrote: > Mostly this is so they can legalise prescription cannabis if the > evidence comes in from their research (and this move probably > indicates that they know it will). Note that it's still possibly 2 > years and a fine for posesssion and 5 years and a fine for supply > (including passing a joint). Of course they'd have to really want to > get someone to do this, but it is still the law.; > Around here a lot has to do with the common sense of the user and the policeman. Most cops around here will issue you an appearance ticket for amounts under an ounce. But if you don't act like an asshole, a lot of cops will just destroy the weed and send you on your way with a warning... > Sanity would be the actual abandonment of Prohibition II. It'd also do > the most financial damage to terrorists, ever. Drugs are the second > (to oil) biggest business in the world, and most of the profit is > reaped by terrorists and criminal gangs. Yep. And here, most police officers realize that pot prohibition is a joke, and most cops are in favor of decriminalization. And a lot are in favor of legalization... Most of the profit is in the > form of legal risk premium. If legalised, prices would collapse (even > given tax at the alcohol level) and the source of such profits would > disappear overnight. We'd also be able to take 5p off income tax or > equivalent spend elsewhere. Well, the Dutch learned that lesson, and, apparently, taught it to the Belgians. Wonder how long it will take for the rest of the world to catch on? Any idea what country will come to its senses next? I'd bet Canada... > > What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? > > I'm pretty sure it's a reserved power. We do have our own Drug Czar, > but I expect him to toe the Party line. I was under the impression that there was a big push to decriminalize? theo > FoFP From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:29:53 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:29:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Girl School on red vinyl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Excrement squared... I'm on call... Retro-lust-infusion denied... ChrisW (my curse returns...) At 09:42 23/10/01, you wrote: > > >Anyone else for Girlschool 1/11/01 (I think) at the Borderline? > > > > Woah! Totally! Girlschool effin' rock! :) > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > >Just checked the Borderline website - Girlschool *is* the first of November. > >Cheers, > >Rich. From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:33:42 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:33:42 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231113.HAA24057@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 12:13 23/10/01, you wrote: >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > > >> > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... > >> > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... "Spandau > >Ballet". One good tune, forget what it's called >However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more >pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet >didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their >luck. Yeah, I think they had a sensayooma... >And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! Again, one good toon... ChrisW, opinion-former extraordinaire! *ROTFLOL* From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:40:14 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:40:14 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:30 23/10/01, you wrote: >Men Without Hats? Oh f*ck... there's fifteen years of therapy down the drain ChrisW (Gibbering hysterically off into the moonlight) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:43:07 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:43:07 +0100 Subject: Off: Re: british home secretary/cannabis In-Reply-To: <000b01c15be3$aaa30a00$e548073e@djsatan> Message-ID: Almost an outbreak of common sense at government level...astonishing...nearly drove off the road on the way home. The official conservat party virgin says it's a "dealers charter" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Chris*koff*koff*W At 17:56 23/10/01, you wrote: >David Blunkett , the British Home secretary has announced that Cannabis will >be downgraded from Class B to Class C in the Spring, making it no longer an >arrestable offence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >loading up a bowl as I wrie! >Hallefookinluya!!!!!!! From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:45:55 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:45:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <3BD56C10.27972.6B1DCD@localhost> Message-ID: At 18:09 23/10/01, you wrote: >Culture Club were a shite band but Boy George once had it > > in him > >Do you think he had it in him just once? > >theo No, but not as often as Marc Almond... (SORRY, I'll get me coat (c) RICH_L) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 23 14:49:38 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:49:38 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis In-Reply-To: <00ad01c15beb$df80ffe0$c61028d5@starfield> Message-ID: At 18:55 23/10/01, you wrote: >Nah, its still totally illegal to be Scotish. 'dja hear that Mike? Mike, put that claymore down... AND the halberd...Mike....MIKE!!! Ohmigod... From swann at CUGC.ORG Tue Oct 23 15:14:14 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:14:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231052.GAA23766@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:52:48AM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:52:48AM -0400, Nick Medford wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:04:43 -0400, Eric Siegerman > wrote: > >Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked > > Surely a tad harsh, lumping the Cure in with the above! They weren't that > bad. I saw them play at Glastonbury one year and they were a good live > outfit. I refuse to believe that Eric actually wrote that about The Cure having one good song. You live within broadcast range of CFNY buddy, you've got no excuse! Steve From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Oct 23 15:37:46 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:37:46 +0200 Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? In-Reply-To: <200110231107.HAA23971@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Sounds like HW to me...just look how they missed the EMI/1999 Party/Hawkestra/Q article opportunity, I've lost interest long ago due to below par records and the absolute impossibleness of getting the worthwhile (if I knew which were worthwhile)...just hangin' on to this list for ol' times sake...but I got curious on the Ritual album and ordered it (together with Zero to Infinity, is that one good?)..I hope they can startle my interest again...the line-up seems promising... Kenneth >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:40:01 EDT, Steve Johnson wrote: > > >Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on tomorrow. > >There is a serious problem here though, if even good independent stores >know nothing about this album. I mean, this is potentially HW's most >important release for years. They are enjoying their highest profile for >quite a while, it's a top-notch recording of a wonderful gig, with a mix of >old and new material, and there must be a real chance it will re-awaken >some lapsed fans' interest. But not if they know nothing about it, and >can't get hold of it even when they do! > >Unfortunately, short of winning the lottery and financing a big marketing >and distribution drive, I'm not sure what can be done to publicise it. >(Street theatre? Graffiti campaign? Suggestions on a postcard.) > >NM ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 23 14:52:23 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:52:23 -0400 Subject: was Yule Ritual, now Gong Message-ID: KM asked... >Sounds like HW to me...just look how they missed the EMI/1999 >Party/Hawkestra/Q article opportunity, I've lost interest long ago >due to below par records and the absolute impossibleness of getting >the worthwhile (if I knew which were worthwhile)...just hangin' on to >this list for ol' times sake...but I got curious on the Ritual album >and ordered it >(together with Zero to Infinity, is that one good?) Yes, but I prefer the 'Live 2 Infinitea' disc that came out from the tour, with more contribution from Didier on it. He only makes a token appearance on "02oo" I'm afraid. Theo Travis is adequate, but does not have the same gift that Bloom has in Gong-dom. The songs are strong on the one you're getting in any case (very true to the original 'Trilogy' style unlike 'Shapeshifter'), but it sounds oddly 'crisp' and 'pristine', and Gong is best a little haphazardly and goofily (dis)organized. The live album is spot on in this respect. "Magdalene" is a gem on either album. Grakkl (FAA) From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Oct 23 17:16:56 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:16:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:14:45 -0400, Nick Medford wrote: >>The other thing to consider is that Boy George went to Crown Woods school >>in Eltham, South-East London. > >How the hell did you know this?! Avid "Smash Hits" reader in the 80s eh? > >You'll be teling us what Nick Heyward's favourite colour was next! > ---------------- It was Yellow! ---------------- >;) > >Nick > >PS- assuminmg you weren't a Smash Hits devotee, would I be right in >surmising that you know his educational history because you went to the >same school? -------------- NO!!!! What sort of an oik do you take me for?! I went to school in Salisbury. Bishop Wordsworth Grammar School. The Eltham knowledges comes from living not far from there. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 23 17:12:27 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:12:27 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Laura, calling Laura w..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: tell the boss to go play some video games ans answer that phone girl! lets gossip about which BOC-L people we like and those we don't and if I will last through the week........ Tw*tboy! listTw*t! ps- my Cerberus (known in mainstream as Yule Ritual) disc arrived today from Andy G......looks pretty cool- so we have another touchdown from Andy G- also- this Mandra Gora 10" is groovy looking, once I flipped it over to the inspiral rocketship wow- I like it even if I don't like it and on that 80's popsicle band thread- I confess, I liked the ARCADIA album "so red the rose"- it's EVIL.....(LeBon great voice) (love the pretentiousness of them, wanted to kill all of them in the 80's) (*REALLY REALLY REALLY* wanted to kill all of them) (well, you know) and tell me, was that band "Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark" (wasn't that they're name) as hideous as I can imgine they are/were..... From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 23 17:23:14 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:23:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: 1. My best friend used to teach at Crown Woods 2. I went to school with Gary Numan Arrrrrrggggghhhh!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moonglum ." To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:14:45 -0400, Nick Medford > wrote: > > >>The other thing to consider is that Boy George went to Crown Woods school > >>in Eltham, South-East London. > > > >How the hell did you know this?! Avid "Smash Hits" reader in the 80s eh? > > > >You'll be teling us what Nick Heyward's favourite colour was next! > > > ---------------- > > It was Yellow! > > ---------------- > >;) > > > >Nick > > > >PS- assuminmg you weren't a Smash Hits devotee, would I be right in > >surmising that you know his educational history because you went to the > >same school? > > -------------- > > NO!!!! What sort of an oik do you take me for?! > > I went to school in Salisbury. Bishop Wordsworth Grammar School. The > Eltham knowledges comes from living not far from there. > From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 23 17:24:56 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:24:56 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Laura, calling Laura w..... Message-ID: I am escaping for one more day... >>> mike c 10/23/01 04:12PM >>> tell the boss to go play some video games ans answer that phone girl! lets gossip about which BOC-L people we like and those we don't and if I will last through the week........ Tw*tboy! listTw*t! ps- my Cerberus (known in mainstream as Yule Ritual) disc arrived today from Andy G......looks pretty cool- so we have another touchdown from Andy G- also- this Mandra Gora 10" is groovy looking, once I flipped it over to the inspiral rocketship wow- I like it even if I don't like it and on that 80's popsicle band thread- I confess, I liked the ARCADIA album "so red the rose"- it's EVIL.....(LeBon great voice) (love the pretentiousness of them, wanted to kill all of them in the 80's) (*REALLY REALLY REALLY* wanted to kill all of them) (well, you know) and tell me, was that band "Orchestral Maneuvers In The Dark" (wasn't that they're name) as hideous as I can imgine they are/were..... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 23 18:35:16 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:35:16 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Laura, calling Laura w.....(shudder) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: it went through anyway even though when I was disconnected I changed my mind please- I am sorry From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 23 18:57:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:57:04 -0600 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231818.f9NIIwt29829@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: < scorch>> that's it.....the horror,,,the horror...even now, etc. etc......., I wonder if Johnny Rotten would blow up a crate of these records with a tank and put it on TV...... m From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Oct 23 18:05:44 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:05:44 -0400 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: John H. McCartney wrote: > > I think that here on this side of the pond we fared somewhat > better, depending on your point of view of course. Yes there > was an enormous load of crap pop, but the majority of the > UK/Euro fashion bands never gained a toehold over here. The > vast wateland of US radio & MTV was pretty much the exclusive > territory of crap hair-metal bands. > > There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some > talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, > and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive > coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), hey,and don't forget the great vesion of the ~brady bunch theme~done by weird al yankovic to the tune of ~safety dance~!! tim early OMD > was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool > tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox > was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. > > On the other hand, there were truly inumerable "bands" that > were abominations upon the Earth - Spandau Ballet was excrement; > Haircut 100, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Hayzee Fantayzee and others of > their ilk existed primarily as fashion statements. I do particularily > loathe Culture Club, but a personal most-despised band of the time > is Dexy's Midnight Runs, er, Runners. 'Come On Eileen' gets me all > choked up, like the way Jimi died..... > scorch Dexy's...yeah they sucked...hard to believe Vincent Crane from Atomic Rooster joined up with them for a while...(and someone better remember A.R. besides me!! tim From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 23 18:14:44 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:14:44 EDT Subject: Yule Ritual. Out Now???? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/01 12:07:31 PM GMT Daylight Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > There is a serious problem here though, if even good independent stores > know nothing about this album. I mean, this is potentially HW's most > important release for years. They are enjoying their highest profile for > quite a while, it's a top-notch recording of a wonderful gig, with a mix of > old and new material, and there must be a real chance it will re-awaken > some lapsed fans' interest. But not if they know nothing about it, and > can't get hold of it even when they do! No good if, as it seems, you can only get it via mail order. The guy in the shop I mentioned is really pissed off about this. Steve. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Oct 23 18:30:05 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:30:05 -0500 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <200110231818.f9NIIwt29829@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John H. McCartney wrote: :Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror : [snip] :There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some :talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, :and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive :coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), early OMD :was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool :tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox :was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. I don't suppose you know where to find that dang video? I've been looking for it for years.... Rhythym of Youth was M w/o H best album, I think. The others were fairly so so. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Oct 23 18:17:58 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:17:58 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: let's throw another opinion into the fire. i do own the S/T and ~Definitive Unsolved...~ cds,one i bought all the way from New Zealand and the other from Aural Innov.(after Hardy kindly let me know they were available from there). I hope to go the the 11/3 concert in st.pete and even if i don't,would buy a live album of any show from them. however,owning a cd-r copy supplied by someone else would also be nice,as i have no taping or cd burning capabilities of my own(too high tech for this old geezer) and it's not as if doug was selling the copies,but merely 'sharing the wealth' as it were,with those less fortunate. IMHO tim Doug Bates wrote: > > >OK - I've already posted, but to copy the shows like this is not the name > of > >the game is it? I KNOW MQB would not be happy about this. > >Andy G. > > Huh, are you saying this is the first time you've heard of a taper > trading a gig? Give me a break! There have been trades and trees of > most good bands for decades, you know that. > > I have a problem with your post(s), and that is bringing a bad vibe to > this list about such things. Possibly next time someone tapes a show they > may be less likely to trade/tree a gig (at least publicly). > > I know where you stand on this issue (you made your point in the Napster > thread in the past) and why (CD retail and your label Dead Earnest). I'm > not defending or even taking sides on the legal aspect. But realize this > is a list of fans, doing what fans do best. If you become the watcher for > the "music industry" it will take something away from BOC-L. Sometimes, its > best to let things go, regardless how strong you feel. > > So which hat are you going to wear? A "fan" or that of a "music industry" > watchdog? I hope you remain a fan, because your post are funny and > informative. If its the later (or both) then I think you have a conflict > of interest and should refrain from promoting you business on both HW lists. > > > PS gotta call ya on the quote above, I don't think you "know" that MQB > would object to sharing a copy of that show. > > > -- > Doug Bates From grodog at PACBELL.NET Tue Oct 23 20:11:18 2001 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:11:18 -0700 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: Hi Folks--- I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? Thanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 23 20:11:24 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:11:24 EDT Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/01 7:06:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, grodog at PACBELL.NET writes: > Hi Folks--- > > I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the > new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may > not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? > > Thanks! > > Yup, it's out now! Got mine yesterday from Andy G. at CD Services (WHO DA MAN? DA G-MAN!!) Mr. Moorcock does two vocals (talking not singing), Warrior at the Edge of Time, and Sonic Attack. (Listening to it now-- Mr. Tree is doing Spirit of the Age) Man, I wish I had been able to see this show! Joe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 23 20:17:13 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:17:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:11:18 -0700, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: >I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the >new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may >not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? Hi Allan! Details on the new CD, including tracklist, are here: http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/hawkwind/hawkvp19.htm It's out now, although everyone on the list seems to be complaining that it hasn't reached their local retailer yet (but there's at least one mail- order dude on the list who can help you out). They're also complaining that it isn't being promoted very well (Hello! the last time Hawkwind were on a major label was RCA in '83 - even large independent labels on the scale of Voiceprint don't exactly have huge promotional budgets, and when they do, it's usually reserved for "big-ticket" artists, not underground/cult bands). And yes, Michael Moorcock guests (via telephone) on "Warriors". You're in the Bay Area now, Allan, aren't you? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Oct 23 20:33:39 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:33:39 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby! Message-ID: Thanks for the wonderful detailed writeup Keith!! Couldn't have said it better myself. As I said in a previous post, MQB far exceeded my expectations and anyone who can possibly make any of these shows will be richly rewarded by attending. >underneath that of lead guitarist Tim Jones* >*(although I thought Jerry told me his name was Jim, so perhaps they got a >new lead guitarist?) Yes, his name is Jim Walton. Tim Jones has never been a member of MQB. He, along with Terri~B, run the Stone Premonitions label that MQB were on and has contributed guitar and vocals to some of MQB's recordings. His own band Census Of Hallucinations is well worth checking out. >Deb K. graciously provided the sumptuous victuals (fried chicken, potato >salad, and baked beans - a hearty midwestern-style meal that a jealous Mr. >Kranitz was denied from fully enjoying due to diet restrictions) Oh man... last night I was poking around in the fridge and saw a couple hunks of that gorgeous fried chicken leftover... and... and... I controlled myself... what agony!!!!! >I don't have the energy to waste today on lamenting about attendance, or >rather the lack of it. Well I will... 30 people showed!!! I love Columbus, Ohio but we can't seem to get people out to shows to save our lives. Damn, I really wanted these guys to come to Columbus and see a decent crowd. It's so hard watching and hearing something as amazing as what these guys were doing and realizing the magic that people are missing. Sigh.... Jerry Kranitz From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Tue Oct 23 20:43:43 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:43:43 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby! Message-ID: >All the Quimby's (plus Mr. A. "Polly" Pollard, of MQB-spinoff Alfresco >Mantis, and recently of A-I.com) Sorry... gotta make a quick correction. It's Afresco Mantis. Not A*l*fresco. They're kinda sensitive about it :-) Jerry From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Oct 23 21:39:12 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:39:12 -0500 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Atomic Rooster were alright. I particulary liked the last album which included David Gilmour on a couple of tracks.....I cannot recall the name of the album,though since at the time (18 years ago!!!) , I was out of weed and money and sold some of my albums....would be nice to find it again, though.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > John H. McCartney wrote: > > > > I think that here on this side of the pond we fared somewhat > > better, depending on your point of view of course. Yes there > > was an enormous load of crap pop, but the majority of the > > UK/Euro fashion bands never gained a toehold over here. The > > vast wateland of US radio & MTV was pretty much the exclusive > > territory of crap hair-metal bands. > > > > There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some > > talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, > > and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive > > coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), > hey,and don't forget the great vesion of the ~brady bunch theme~done > by weird al yankovic to the tune of ~safety dance~!! > tim > > > early OMD > > was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool > > tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox > > was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. > > > > On the other hand, there were truly inumerable "bands" that > > were abominations upon the Earth - Spandau Ballet was excrement; > > Haircut 100, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Hayzee Fantayzee and others of > > their ilk existed primarily as fashion statements. I do particularily > > loathe Culture Club, but a personal most-despised band of the time > > is Dexy's Midnight Runs, er, Runners. 'Come On Eileen' gets me all > > choked up, like the way Jimi died..... > > scorch > > Dexy's...yeah they sucked...hard to believe Vincent Crane from Atomic Rooster > joined up with them for a while...(and someone better remember A.R. besides me!! > tim > From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Tue Oct 23 23:09:02 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:09:02 -0500 Subject: (OFF) Laura, calling Laura w.....(shudder) Message-ID: It's okay Mike. Nothing to worry about. Remember, I said it was okay. And I almost posted instead of the lame escape statement that I was too busy looking at his ass to answer...then decided "ass" might offend someone somewhere on the list.... <<< mike c 10/23 5:35p >>> it went through anyway even though when I was disconnected I changed my mind please- I am sorry From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 24 04:00:52 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:00:52 -0400 Subject: OFF Atomic Rooster, was crappy 80s pop groups Message-ID: One of my top 4 favourite bands. Vincents widow has a good web site and a Yahoo group which I have the honour of co-moderating. Web site - http://atomic-rooster.com Yahoo group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/atomic-rooster/join >>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:05:44 -0400 From: Tim Dexy's...yeah they sucked...hard to believe Vincent Crane from Atomic Rooster joined up with them for a while...(and someone better remember A.R. besides me!! tim From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 24 05:14:45 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:14:45 -0500 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: I was just wondering, how many official HW albums are there? Not counting any quasi stuff, no Text of Festival, Yuri Gagger, Acid Daze, or solo albums, etc. Just official stuff the band has put out from Hawkwind to Yule Ritual. Does anybody know off the top of their head? From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Oct 24 05:14:59 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:14:59 +0200 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: 80s.... oh well - gotta love the sugarcubes, though...... :-) but all in all; the 80s was imo the decade of utter bad taste (and i'm not talking about the little icelandic record label). i mean fashion, music, general design and arcitecture - gawd! personally i'm not that fond of hawkwind's output during the 80s, but compared with the more popular music of that decade they're not that bad after all ;-) if only musicians had explored the potensial of the DX7 instead of using the dreadful pads! ;-) ;-) i should be so lucky, ketil, norway From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 24 05:20:14 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:20:14 -0400 Subject: OFF ATOMIC ROOSTER was Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Headline News was originally on Towerbell also had Bernie Torme (who toured the album) on guitar. Absolutely fabulous. Out on CD. Buy it. http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=ATOMIC_ROOSTER&s=1151 >>>>> Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror Atomic Rooster were alright. I particulary liked the last album which included David Gilmour on a couple of tracks.....I cannot recall the name of the album,though since at the time (18 years ago!!!) , I was out of weed and money and sold some of my albums....would be nice to find it again, though.... From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 24 05:29:36 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:29:36 -0400 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and greet. Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 24 06:49:57 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:49:57 +0400 Subject: OFF ATOMIC ROOSTER was Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: > http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=ATOMIC_ROOSTER&s=1151 It's a very bad shop! Don't buy there! They discriminate their customers from Russia! They apply to them "special" terms. CDServices or Amazons or CdZone never do such terrible things! Alisa From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Oct 24 06:55:09 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:55:09 +0100 Subject: Off: was Yule Ritual, now Gong Message-ID: Hi, I'm going to disagree with Grakkl slightly here. I love Zero to Infinity because it has so much Theo Travis on it, Seeing Gong live with him was one of the most spiritually uplifting experiences in my life ( last year !). He's added a slightly more structured, more mellow feel to them. Dont get me wrong Bloomdido bad de grasse still rules, but I have found that Theo is leading the band forward again. "Wise Man" from Zero to Infinity has to be one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written. regards Iain. PS its a great album....and having heard Grakkl say the live one is good, i shall go and buy that.. > >(together with Zero to Infinity, is that one good?) > > Yes, but I prefer the 'Live 2 Infinitea' disc that came out from the tour, > with more contribution from Didier on it. He only makes a token appearance > on "02oo" I'm afraid. Theo Travis is adequate, but does not have the same > gift that Bloom has in Gong-dom. The songs are strong on the one you're > getting in any case (very true to the original 'Trilogy' style unlike > 'Shapeshifter'), but it sounds oddly 'crisp' and 'pristine', and Gong is > best a little haphazardly and goofily (dis)organized. The live album is > spot on in this respect. "Magdalene" is a gem on either album. > > Grakkl (FAA) From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Wed Oct 24 07:20:09 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:20:09 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Tribute Band Message-ID: For anyone who is interested my mate Dave's Hawkwind Tribute band is performing at the Royal Standard - Walthamstow on November 2nd. They do a wicked set covering a load of Hawk-Classics Who's gonna Win the War Steppenwolf Golden Void Uncle Sam's on Mars Psi Power Deathtrap The Flying Doctor Angels of Death Psychedelic Warlords Urban Guerrila Levitation Hassan i Sabba Seven By Seven Spirit of the Age Silver Machine The Watcher It's So Easy Ejection Master of the Universe Hurry On Sundown Brainstorm Orgone Accumulator and others They've worked really hard on this gig so if you are in the area - give them a look in. I guarantee you won't be dissappointed Otherwise inflate their ego's by spinning their hit counters at http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net Dave P.S. David Blunkett (UK Home Secretary) deserves a medal for being one of the few polititions with the balls to accept that cannabis is a way of life to half the dam country - and make the first move towards Decriminalisation/Legalisation - Nice one Davey Boy - I'll light up a fat one to celebrate :-) From rob5burton at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 24 09:28:23 2001 From: rob5burton at HOTMAIL.COM (rob burton) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:28:23 +0100 Subject: Off: was Yule Ritual, now Gong Message-ID: There again I thought "Wise Man" on Good Morning was one of the most beautiful songs ever and I'm not sure whether Zero to Infinity adds to it or just reviews the excellence of the first version. Rob "Traveller........there are no paths, paths are made by walking" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 24 10:12:43 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:12:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: Hey Folks... I think tonight the Lemster is to make some sort of appearance on the Drew Carey Show (which otherwise I never watch). And coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of last Tuesday's Conan O'Brian show, and they used 'Ace of Spades' in a skit. Actually, I've seen them use Motorhead before in a skit - can't remember if it was AoS that time also? Anyway, whenever they need angry rock music backing for a skit that is portraying mock violence, they seem to head Lemmy's way. The chief editor from The Onion was also on that show last night...I thought their first issue following the Towers was the only thing in the media that made any damn sense the last month. I felt better after reading through that! Of course, if they were on TV like Bill Maher, they would have been banned forever. I still don't understand what was even remotely 'offensive' about what Maher said....we need a war on political correctness as much as terrorism it seems. Well, dunno how I got so off-topic...I didn't get enough sleep last night. Gotta go pick up the pizzas (anybody remember that song? Poco?)... Grakkl (FAA) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 24 11:47:33 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:47:33 +0800 Subject: Off: Sci-Fi Nostalgia Message-ID: > I thought that they were just toooo obscure for words, though I do > remember "Four Feather Falls" & "Torchy". Can't recall "Twizzle", though I > have heard of it... There was also the non-Anderson puppet show called > "Space Patrol" with the spaceship like a spinning gyroscope, but that seems > to have vanished without trace > It's available on DVD & video in the UK. Space Patrol was made by co-founders of Anderson's original company, who decided to do something on their own. William From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 11:52:31 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:52:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: <7lp8tt08d793r5578ksf0afnifanh39nm5@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message <7lp8tt08d793r5578ksf0afnifanh39nm5 at 4ax.com>, Steve Pond writes >Thanks! A christmas gig of some sort will happen, if not at Dingwalls then >certainly the Underworld.. (Anyone have a preference?) Never been to the Underworld, but I've always thought Dingwalls was a shite venue. Even if you're tall, you can't see a thing unless you're right at the front, and last time I went there- to see Roy Harper - the continual chatter from the bar area was very intrusive (granted this might not be a problem with ICU at full volume!) Think on't -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 11:58:26 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:58:26 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <200110221926.PAA17813@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110221926.PAA17813 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >the lyrics to "The >Widow Song" were included in the booklet that came stapled into the >original gatefold LP package. Apparently the reason why the song was never >released is that Nico (!!) was supposed to sing it, but for some reason >that fell through (does anyone know who sings the version on 'Friends & >Relations 3'? Is that Jill Riches[sp?] Calvert?). Yes, at least I read that somewhere, unfortunately I can't remember where. I believe the vox were recorded at a later date than the rest of the album though. Horribly prescient in a way. Didn't know that Nico was supposed to be involved but I can imagine Bob being quite struck by her! -- Nick Medford From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 24 12:27:36 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:27:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: MQB (message from Hardy re: trading live shows) Message-ID: The following is the reply I received from MQB about trading the Milwaukee 10/19/2001 live recording. I will now honor all the requests I've had for the show. Thank you for your patience. -------------------------------------------------------- Dan Thanks for asking us, before making this show available, a lot of people would have just went ahead regardless. If you feel that the recording is of a high enough standard, then by all means go ahead and pass it on to all interested parties. If you visit our web site WWW.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi you'll find that ALL our released material is available to listen to for free online and many songs are available for download, we are far from a "Metallica" type of band as has been suggested on the BOC-L, our only concern is low quality "Bring Me The Head Of..." type recordings being peoples first experience of Mr Quimby's Beard, and it is never about money with us, just quality. What Andy G wrote is also correct, as we "Freaky Fungi" do intend to release a show from this tour, so all we ask of anyone who receives your recording and enjoys it, is that they also support the official release when we make it available early next year. I hope this clarifies the present situation, and thanks for your support. Hardy (on behalf of the whole of Mr Quimby's Beard). PS Feel free to post this on the BOC-L if you feel it will help. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Oct 24 12:22:05 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:22:05 -0500 Subject: mr. quimby's beard show in chicago Message-ID: Hey folks, Anyone going to MQB this evening in Chicago? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 10:42:52 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:42:52 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: suits me fine - I don't want to be a killjoy for anyone doing tape trading but am always trying to make sure that, for the smaller bands who can find that things like this do have an effect on their sales, this factor is not overlooked by the enthusiasm to hear the music. Sure, if Hardy is OK with this, then that's all that matters. It's not so much the one doing it for three or four that matters, it's the then three or four who do three or four more each, etc, etc. Thanks to you for checking. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:51 AM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > Let me add a few things here, just to clarify I guess. > > When I went to the show I asked for permission to tape, I was given > permission to tape, I did nothing furtive. I guess I assumed in that > environment there was no problem with letting other people hear what I > recorded. There were 5 people that I saw taping the show, with either video > or audio devices, all in plain sight. I still believe now that the band > will not have a problem with this, I really do, but I'm fine with whatever > the decision is. > > I agree open trading of live shows is a good thing for bands. > I think we all know the arguments. The thing to remember is this; if you > like a band and enjoy listening to the live stuff make sure you buy some > official CDs. That's common sense and probably doesn't have to be said. If > you like and own a particular live show and the band releases that exact > show, you really must buy it, there again just common sense. > > I would never knowingly do anything to harm any band or any of the retailers > on this list. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Clark" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > > The tunes that were mistakenly (?) made available here piqued my interest > > enough, though to check out some of their other stuff and maybe even buy > > some if it was easily available. > > > > Thanks for the introduction to MQB, by the way, even if not band > > sanctioned...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:30 PM > > Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > > > > > whoooaaaaahhhhh..............hang on there. > > > I don't actually know but I spoke with Hardy of MQB before the tour and > I > > > know that they planned to record the dates and release something from > it. > > > While my personal views on tape trading/CD trading, etc, are not for > here, > > > professionally, I personally feel that this is not the right thing to do > > > here and now, unless you have info to the contrary - I know if it was > Dead > > > Earnest and Spacehead, I would be none too happy unless I'd been > consulted > > > first, so how about hanging on and waiting to see what the musicians > > > think??? > > > Opinions, anyone......sometimes we can be too quick to be fans without > > > realising there are musicians lives to consider....money to be > > > earned.........respect to be respected. > > > I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying don't do it just yet.......at > > least. > > > Andy Garibaldi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan Witt" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:47 AM > > > Subject: Off: MQB > > > > > > > > > > I have a nice recording of the show, if there is any interest I'll > make > > it > > > > available on two CDs and maybe MP3 on the web. > > > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 10:35:19 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:35:19 +0100 Subject: HW: The Alman Mulo Band Message-ID: ALMAN-MULO BAND:OrishaCD?12.49 Consisting of Bainbridge on synths and vocals, Alman on percussion and vocals plus Dave Fisher on sax, this is another cosmic trip to inner and outer space with influences from early '70's Santana in its percussion work through early Hawkwind style space synth and DSOTM era Floyd to Ozrics and ambient but with its own original and defined identity. Their best release to date. A review I did a while back that at least gives you a clue, I feel - sadly all the albums are deleted now and since no-one knows the whereabouts of Bill Wood, aren't likely to gte reissued in a hurry, either. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gibbs" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: The Alman Mulo Band > Hi ya, > > > Alice wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > I'm curious what this band sound like and what is the involvement of Harvey > > here? > > > > Don't remember Harvey, they are bloody good... IMHO well worth it!!! > > Then again I don't remember Ozrics being in Amon Duul, until I look on > credits of Dire Losung > > -- > "All snakes who wish to remain in Ireland will please raise their right > hands." > -- Saint Patrick From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 10:48:56 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:48:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Anthology released on US major label Message-ID: Presumably that's because it's was originally on Castle Communications who got taken over by Sanctuary yet both were distributed by BMG so the CD is not actually on BMG but BMG are simply listed as distributor on the artwork. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: HW: Anthology released on US major label > I haven't seen this mentioned on the list yet ... > > Last weekend, I was checking the Hawkwind bin at the new Rasputin's in San > Francisco (not a very good store, unlike the Berkeley one), and the only CD > in it was a new version of the 69-82 'Anthology' (aka 'Acid Daze') double- > CD set. The cover artwork is exactly the same as the most recent UK > reissue (the one with the extra tracks from the Castle remasters), but it's > in a standard single-width jewel case instead of a DigiPak ... I didn't buy > a copy so I don't know if it includes (as the UK version does) the booklet > with a complete reproduction of Brian Tawn's notes from the vinyl pressing > of all-three-LP's-in-a-vinyl-sleeve release. > > The kicker is ... it's on BMG! I think this would make it the first-ever > US major label Hawkwind CD, since Profile ('Live Chronicles'), Enigma (XC, > SB ... didn't they put out 'Palace Springs', too?), One Way (EMI reissues), > Iloki ('CA Brainstorm'), Cleopatra, and Griffin are/were all indies > (although by that time, I think Enigma may have been majority-owned by > Capitol/EMI, and I'm pretty sure that at least One Way had major-label > distribution). Even odder, the actual label imprint is ... Trojan?!?!?! > Someone needs to pass on THAT bit of info on to Capt. Rizz! > > Anyone else in the USA seen this? Mr. Coleman? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 12:01:09 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:01:09 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: I have to say - I tend to feel that the smaller bands who don't have the same profiles as Hawkwind people have more to lose by this so soon after an event. I take your point about profile, but having spoken at length to several musicians about this, all worry when the activity occurs WITHOUT them having been consulted first, and this I think is the key point here, certainly for the smaller acts, that's for sure. Again, just down to a bit of thought and respect. If I'm seen as over-reacting, then better that than the other way. Again, don't want to spoil enjoyment (and I know I have a large collection of the things in a cupboard going back to '71) but when you start a CD label yourself, you realise what effects something like this can have if they get 'out of control', in this minor dept of the musical cosmos. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > I'm sure that goes double from you for the tapes of the RFH and Nikestra > gig recordings that were offered on here recently? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 12:26:40 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:26:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:52:31 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Never been to the Underworld, but I've always thought Dingwalls was a >shite venue. Do you mean the new Dingwalls? I agree with you if you mean the old long skinny Dingwalls.. but they knocked it down & built a proper venue there.. -S. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:05:05 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:05:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: It's called 'Yule Ritual' is a double CD recorded live last December and is available now. E.mail me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com with details of yourself or if you are an exisiting CD Services customer, just quote your account number only. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:11 AM Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop > Hi Folks--- > > I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the > new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may > not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? > > Thanks! > > Allan. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- > grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > > I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. > We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. > > --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:12:34 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:12:34 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis Message-ID: errr....that's ScoTTish.....and I'm a sassenach!!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:55 PM Subject: Re: british home secretary/cannabis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Jackson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: british home secretary/cannabis > > > > > Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! > > What's the status of decriminalization in Scotland? > > > > theo > > > Nah, its still totally illegal to be Scotish. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:09:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:09:38 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: no use to you but you do see it cropping up regularly here on the VH1 TV '80's progs so if I see it and I can get to a record button in time, I'll let you know. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John H. McCartney wrote: > > :Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > : > > [snip] > > :There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some > :talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, > :and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive > :coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), early OMD > :was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool > :tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox > :was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. > > I don't suppose you know where to find that dang video? I've been looking > for it for years.... > > Rhythym of Youth was M w/o H best album, I think. The others were fairly > so so. > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:14:24 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:14:24 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! Anyone care to go any lower!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > At 12:13 23/10/01, you wrote: > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood > > wrote: > > > > >> > > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, yeah... > > >> > > > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... "Spandau > > >Ballet". > > One good tune, forget what it's called > > >However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more > >pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet > >didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their > >luck. > > Yeah, I think they had a sensayooma... > > >And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > Again, one good toon... > > ChrisW, opinion-former extraordinaire! > *ROTFLOL* From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:19:31 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:19:31 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: which, it has to be said, is pretty good going. I now have to eat my hat. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Nikestra, crowd size > It felt like about 800 max. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:21:03 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:21:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Gary Numan did one great thing in his life - he liked Nash the Slash enough for him to support a whole UK tour, and anything to further Nash is fine by me. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > 1. My best friend used to teach at Crown Woods > > 2. I went to school with Gary Numan > > Arrrrrrggggghhhh!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moonglum ." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:14:45 -0400, Nick Medford > > > wrote: > > > > >>The other thing to consider is that Boy George went to Crown Woods > school > > >>in Eltham, South-East London. > > > > > >How the hell did you know this?! Avid "Smash Hits" reader in the 80s eh? > > > > > >You'll be teling us what Nick Heyward's favourite colour was next! > > > > > ---------------- > > > > It was Yellow! > > > > ---------------- > > >;) > > > > > >Nick > > > > > >PS- assuminmg you weren't a Smash Hits devotee, would I be right in > > >surmising that you know his educational history because you went to the > > >same school? > > > > -------------- > > > > NO!!!! What sort of an oik do you take me for?! > > > > I went to school in Salisbury. Bishop Wordsworth Grammar School. The > > Eltham knowledges comes from living not far from there. > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:26:35 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:26:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: MQB (message from Hardy re: trading live shows) Message-ID: can't say fairer than that - now we're all happy - if this makes MQB even more popular, then that's superb, because they certainly are (superb that is). Nice to see a happy outcome for somnething done like this. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: OFF: MQB (message from Hardy re: trading live shows) > The following is the reply I received from MQB about trading the Milwaukee > 10/19/2001 live recording. I will now honor all the requests I've had for > the show. Thank you for your patience. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Dan > Thanks for asking us, before making this show available, a lot of people > would have just went ahead regardless. > If you feel that the recording is of a high enough standard, then by all > means > go ahead and pass it on to all interested parties. If you visit our web site > WWW.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi you'll find that ALL our released material > is > available to listen to for free online and many songs are available for > download, we are far from a "Metallica" type of band as has been suggested > on > the BOC-L, our only concern is low quality "Bring Me The Head Of..." type > recordings being peoples first experience of Mr Quimby's Beard, and it is > never > about money with us, just quality. > What Andy G wrote is also correct, as we "Freaky Fungi" do intend to release > a > show from this tour, so all we ask of anyone who receives your recording and > enjoys it, is that they also support the official release when we make it > available early next year. > I hope this clarifies the present situation, and thanks for your support. > Hardy (on behalf of the whole of Mr Quimby's Beard). > PS > Feel free to post this on the BOC-L if you feel it will help. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:22:30 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:22:30 +0100 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: yes- apologies are due here I think - guess I got a little carried away with the MQB postings. We all make mistakes, as I keep finding for myself. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shipley" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > Yes, Andy, I own both of the CD's in question. This burn would be done to > add "TWS" into where it would have been if it had been included on the CD or > LP, to see what the flow would have been like. > > I do not do or condone burning CD's for people who are too cheap to buy the > original, if it is still in print. Long OOP, well, that depends... I > recently burned three OOP titles for a chap here in the US that does a radio > show and could not get copies of the CD's to play on his show. If these > titles were still in print, he would have gotten 'em for free... > > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:45 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > > > > Hmmmm.....as long as you have the original too, of course. For the record, > > the Capt Lockheed CD is still available, royalties are still being paid to > > the contributors and so purchase rather than burning is the order of the > > day.......from wherever you like, of course. > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Shipley" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:29 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > > > > Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing > > > track spliced in... > > > > > > Ship > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:43:28 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:43:28 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: even though it's sorted I feel I must reply to this - ALL I was thinking of was MQB as I spoke long and at length to Hardy before they went out there (unusually I try and keep in personal contact with musicians, as a retailer - always have - always will ) and he told me that they planned to release a CD of the tour and I simply didn't want anything to foul that release as the band deserves to make it big, so I thought I'd simply get Dan to check first - OK, so I should have done it off-group, perhaps, but I have no intention of doing it for other CD-R things that get mentioned as I have nothing to do with the groups in question so do not know their feelings on the matter, so that one's up to them. I'd spoken to Hardy and THAT'S the difference. Also, and nothing to do with it as far as you're concerned, as Dead Earnest representing Spacehead, we still have yet to receive our DAT's of the German Hawkfan concerts that they recorded but won't return, so it's always a worry about copying sometimes. So, I'm not on anyone's side when it comes to trading, this is a one-off to do with MQB and any band that had said the same before such an event - as ever, apologies if I have caused offence but however odd it may seem, all I am doing is to try and help the musicians, and sometimes it can be OK - in this case I think it has worked out just fine. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > >OK - I've already posted, but to copy the shows like this is not the name > of > >the game is it? I KNOW MQB would not be happy about this. > >Andy G. > > Huh, are you saying this is the first time you've heard of a taper > trading a gig? Give me a break! There have been trades and trees of > most good bands for decades, you know that. > > I have a problem with your post(s), and that is bringing a bad vibe to > this list about such things. Possibly next time someone tapes a show they > may be less likely to trade/tree a gig (at least publicly). > > I know where you stand on this issue (you made your point in the Napster > thread in the past) and why (CD retail and your label Dead Earnest). I'm > not defending or even taking sides on the legal aspect. But realize this > is a list of fans, doing what fans do best. If you become the watcher for > the "music industry" it will take something away from BOC-L. Sometimes, its > best to let things go, regardless how strong you feel. > > So which hat are you going to wear? A "fan" or that of a "music industry" > watchdog? I hope you remain a fan, because your post are funny and > informative. If its the later (or both) then I think you have a conflict > of interest and should refrain from promoting you business on both HW lists. > > > PS gotta call ya on the quote above, I don't think you "know" that MQB > would object to sharing a copy of that show. > > > -- > Doug Bates From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 13:48:39 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:48:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: ah yes - but how many of their audiences realise it's manufactured tosh - or care, for that matter. But at least it's not ALL manufactured tosh in todays; pop world. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "f. rat" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > But it's worth noting that all these crummy 80s pop acts were at least > > "real bands" of sorts, unlike the manufactured tosh foisted on us now. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 14:04:20 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:04:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: yeh - Poco - spot on - only good one they ever did. Andy Garibaldi P.S. new Krom-Lek CD ("Collective Conscious") is best yet - a 'must' for Gong/space-rock fans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > Hey Folks... > > I think tonight the Lemster is to make some sort of appearance on the Drew > Carey Show (which otherwise I never watch). > > And coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of last Tuesday's Conan O'Brian > show, and they used 'Ace of Spades' in a skit. Actually, I've seen them use > Motorhead before in a skit - can't remember if it was AoS that time also? > Anyway, whenever they need angry rock music backing for a skit that is > portraying mock violence, they seem to head Lemmy's way. The chief editor > from The Onion was also on that show last night...I thought their first > issue following the Towers was the only thing in the media that made any > damn sense the last month. I felt better after reading through that! Of > course, if they were on TV like Bill Maher, they would have been banned > forever. I still don't understand what was even remotely 'offensive' about > what Maher said....we need a war on political correctness as much as > terrorism it seems. > > Well, dunno how I got so off-topic...I didn't get enough sleep last night. > > Gotta go pick up the pizzas (anybody remember that song? Poco?)... > > Grakkl (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 24 14:03:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:03:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Blur vs Porcupine Tree (was: Re: HW:Calvert influences) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Nick Medford wrote: > In message , Brian Halligan > writes > > > >Ditto for Blur, though I like a few of their songs. > > I suspect their last two albums of being quite good, from what I've heard. > Gotta admit though, I gag a bit at the thought of buying any of their stuff. > Possibly I'm missing out. I genuinely think their self-titled to be a fine little psych album. Their guitarist has a very surreal approach. Once you get it on headphones you realise that though the song stuctures make them sound relatively normal there isn't one that's not drenched in fuzz, delay, reverb, or something. Not a damn one plays straight. I got it about the same time as Porcupine Tree's _Lightbulb Sun_ and was profoundly disappointed to find the the Britpop darlings were more psychedelic than Steven Wilson, great guru of 90s psychedelic prog. I remember Jon Browne enthusiastically endorsing their _13_ when it came out too, unless it was someone else, and he's a Strawberry Alarm Clock collector, so! :-) Their early stuf is fairly honest pop with a faint Small Faces eye-eye-we're- all-Cockknees-oh-yus-guv'nor tinge, and then when that started working in the charts they very wisely sold out to the hilt with _Parklife_ and now they can do what they want for the next few years. Good move I call it, and I believe it's what Steven Wilson has been trying to do on Snapper with PT but he doesn't have the talent for pop songs so it hasn't worked. Blur far from the only band to do this though. I like the last two Blur albums a great deal and see them as the results of a good plan come to fruition. Yours, Jon ObCD: Wool - _Box Set_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 24 14:42:15 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:42:15 +0100 Subject: HW: the great lists Message-ID: Wotcher folks. Have been tinkering with my spinoffs lists and stuff again and realised that as ever there are some things on which I have no adequate information. These are as follows: firstly, Huw was slated to appear on two albums lately, one by Asphodel and one by Luther Grosvenor; annyone know if they came out? (And I still don't have a date for Salt's _Best of British Rock_ on which he appeared either... ) Also, there were two correspondnces about little-known spinoffs, the Kharma Kannix, of whom I never saw if anyone posted an answer to the people asking if they'd ever released anything, and the Invisible Band. This one I did solve myself and for whoever was asking about them, their website's at: . Cheers folks, yours, Jon ObCD: Tony Hill - _Inexactness_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 24 14:49:52 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:49:52 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:14:45 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: >I was just wondering, how many official HW albums are there? > >Not counting any quasi stuff ... Just official stuff the band has >put out from Hawkwind to Yule Ritual. > >Does anybody know off the top of their head? My count: Hawkwind X In Search of Space Doremi Fasol Latido Space Ritual Live Hall of the Mountain Grill Warrior on the Edge of Time Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Quark, Strangeness & Charm P.X.R.5 Hawklords / 25 Years On Live '79 Levitation Sonic Attack Church of Hawkwind Choose Your Masques Zones Earth Ritual Preview EP This is Hawkwind / Do Not Panic Chronicle of the Black Sword Out & Intake Xenon Codex Palace Springs Space Bandits Electric Tepee Decide Your Future EP It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous The Business Trip Quark, Strangeness & Charm EP Psychedelic Warriors / White Zone Alien4 Love in Space Lord of Light EP Distant Horizons Hawkwind 1997 In Your Area Yule Ritual That makes 36 (or 32, if you don't count the four EP's) Not counted: Glastonbury Fayre Greasy Truckers Party Roadhawks Masters of the Universe Repeat Performance Angels of Death Weird Tapes vol. 1-7 Hawkwind Zoo EP Sonic Assassins EP Valium Ten/Motorhead single Friends & Relations vol. 1-3 Text of Festival Bring Me The Head of Dave Anderson Space Ritual vol.2 Independent Days 1 & 2 Anthology / Acid Daze vol. 1-3 Hawkfan 12 Bristol Custom Bike Show Travellers Aid Trust Radio 1 In Concert / Spacerock from London Live at Reading 1986 Stasis Psychedelic Warlords & Lord of Light California Brainstorm Live in Space 1990 Spirit of the Age solstice remixes EP Gimme Shelter EP Future Reconstructions Hawklords Live Undisclosed Files Area S4 EP Kinder der Revolution / Burg Herzen Strange Daze 1997 The 1999 Party Griffin 4-CD box set Epoch Eclipse / Ultimate Best Of Ambient Anarchists All Collectors Series releases (Glasto 90, 79, Masques 82, Atomhenge 76) Hawkwind Family Tree Did I miss any? Should anything that I didn't count, "count"? Or vice- versa? (My criteria for "counting": compilations don't count; various artists albums don't count; recordings that came out *after-the-fact* don't count - that's why 'This is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic' & 'Out & Intake' do count, but 'The 1999 Party' & the 'Hawkwind Zoo' EP don't; EP's with new, non-album material, count; stuff that's *just* remixes doesn't count ... I think that explains everything.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Oct 24 15:54:12 2001 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (No Digest) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:54:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: Hiya Allan I'm on the Greytalk list too - I'm Moorglade Mover on that one though! Mark > ** Original Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop > ** Original Sender: "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." > ** Original Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:15:57 +0100 > ** Original Message follows... > > Hi Folks--- > > I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the > new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may > not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? > > Thanks! > > Allan. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- > grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > > I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. > We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. > > --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Interviewer: 'you've been looking at the stars all your life. Is there any truth in astrology?' Arthur. C. Clarke: 'It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so of course I'm sceptical.' Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Oct 24 15:55:42 2001 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (No Digest) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:55:42 +0000 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: My favourite track of all time - it just edges 'Damnation Alley' into second place - is 'Devil's Answer'..... Mark > ** Original Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > ** Original Sender: Tom Clark > ** Original Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:45:42 +0100 > ** Original Message follows... > > Atomic Rooster were alright. I particulary liked the last album which > included David Gilmour on a couple of tracks.....I cannot recall the name of > the album,though since at the time (18 years ago!!!) , I was out of weed and > money and sold some of my albums....would be nice to find it again, > though.... > > ----- Original Message -----From: "Tim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > > John H. McCartney wrote: > > > > > > I think that here on this side of the pond we fared somewhat > > > better, depending on your point of view of course. Yes there > > > was an enormous load of crap pop, but the majority of the > > > UK/Euro fashion bands never gained a toehold over here. The > > > vast wateland of US radio & MTV was pretty much the exclusive > > > territory of crap hair-metal bands. > > > > > > There were actually some of the 80's pop bands that had some > > > talent and some good songs. Men Without Hats was indeed great, > > > and had more depth than just Safety Dance (which had the massive > > > coolness to have a Maypole and dwarves in their video), > > hey,and don't forget the great vesion of the ~brady bunch theme~done > > by weird al yankovic to the tune of ~safety dance~!! > > tim > > > > > > early OMD > > > was brilliant, even the dreaded Duran Duran had a couple of cool > > > tracks, such as Union of the Snake and Girls On Film. Ultravox > > > was pretty good, even New Order had their moments. > > > > > > On the other hand, there were truly inumerable "bands" that > > > were abominations upon the Earth - Spandau Ballet was excrement; > > > Haircut 100, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, Hayzee Fantayzee and others of > > > their ilk existed primarily as fashion statements. I do particularily > > > loathe Culture Club, but a personal most-despised band of the time > > > is Dexy's Midnight Runs, er, Runners. 'Come On Eileen' gets me all > > > choked up, like the way Jimi died..... > > > scorch > > > > Dexy's...yeah they sucked...hard to believe Vincent Crane from Atomic > Rooster > > joined up with them for a while...(and someone better remember A.R. > besides me!! > > tim > > >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Interviewer: 'you've been looking at the stars all your life. Is there any truth in astrology?' Arthur. C. Clarke: 'It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so of course I'm sceptical.' Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 24 15:17:49 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:17:49 +0100 Subject: HW:Calvert influences In-Reply-To: ; from lthompson3@UCLAN.AC.UK on Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:38:18PM +0100 Message-ID: I'll agree with that one too. I can muster some interest for parts of _What's The Story_ but _Definitely Maybe_ is actually blessed with quite a few good songs. It's pub-rock writ large but it's done quite well and it is possible to enjoy it just as fun music. Then they started trying to do it `properly' and discovered they couldn't. Also, one of those bands whose B-sides generally should have been on the album instead of half of what was. Yours, Jon ObCD: Wellwater Conspiracy - _Declaration of Conformity_ (for those who are stuck in the past, definitely :-)) On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 02:38:18PM +0100, Layla Thompson wrote: > Oasis and America are two things that were thrown together for the sake of money and popularity... > > If you would care to take a step back about 2 or 3 years before songs such as Wonderwall and Dont Look Back in Anger were released, to the days when Oasis played for the love of it and not for the PR groups. I am sure that you would be pleasently suprised at the level of quality of the songs.. > > Definatly Maybe is one album that I would very happily recommend to any self respecting "rock and roll" fan.... > > (not, however, to one that was perminantly stuck in the past!! :p ) > > That album and the B sides to their early singles are all great songs.. their later stuff DOES tend to be a little "wishy-washy".. but, all good things must come to an end.. > > >>> blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM 09/07/01 05:54pm >>> > Nick Medford wrote: > > I don't know how well known the execrable Oasis are in the States, but you > > could have a field day with them. > > Oasis, like every rock band that becomes massively popular in the US today, > only had two songs consistently played on the radio. "Wonderwall" was in > such heavy rotation for a while that it would sometimes be playing on two > separate stations at the same time...and Rochester is a relatively small > radio market. Fortunately, I haven't heard any Oasis on the radio for a > couple of years now. -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 16:34:24 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:34:24 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: Count me in Dave -----Original Message----- From: Z E Itgeist To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser >As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives >along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and greet. > >Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Oct 24 15:55:48 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:55:48 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: Just in case... ... >Chronicle of the Black Sword Live Chronicles (or maybe before CotBS - depending) >Out & Intake ... Stephan From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 15:58:24 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:58:24 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: <011501c15c6c$52967520$8aa6e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. Mark From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Oct 24 16:35:01 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:35:01 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: I am glad that this discussion has come up. Because of this topic here on boc-l, I have learned that there is a third MQB to be purchased. I have the s/t and the Definitive Mysterys, but I was not aware of the other one. I will be purchasing it very soon. Chris ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > I have to say - I tend to feel that the smaller bands who don't have the > same profiles as Hawkwind people have more to lose by this so soon after an > event. I take your point about profile, but having spoken at length to > several musicians about this, all worry when the activity occurs WITHOUT > them having been consulted first, and this I think is the key point here, > certainly for the smaller acts, that's for sure. Again, just down to a bit > of thought and respect. If I'm seen as over-reacting, then better that than > the other way. Again, don't want to spoil enjoyment (and I know I have a > large collection of the things in a cupboard going back to '71) but when you > start a CD label yourself, you realise what effects something like this can > have if they get 'out of control', in this minor dept of the musical cosmos. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mather" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > >>I'm sure that goes double from you for the tapes of the RFH and Nikestra >>gig recordings that were offered on here recently? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Paul. >> >>e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> >>"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 24 18:01:20 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (u don't know me) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:01:20 -0600 Subject: Off: MQB In-Reply-To: <3BD725F5.9000209@tiac.net> Message-ID: AND I HAVE THE "OUT THERE" AND "DEFINATIVE" neither of which has survived more than about 30 mins. of play, due to boredom. and my fidgeting for a HW disc, or an ICU, or even a Fearless Iranians from Hell Lp, etc......... but surely all these people must see something I missed, and I will check out the self-titled release as well, maybe that one will "kick it in" for me.... Kid Anon. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 24 18:11:10 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (u don't know me) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:11:10 -0600 Subject: Off: was Yule Ritual, now Gong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <>> rob Stunning, breathtaking, tear-inspiring- NO comparing to the original IMHO. Leave that one alone! the 0 to infinity is a mighty great one however, and I've not heard the live one..... *0* From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 24 15:54:44 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:54:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: Ketil speaks... >80s.... >oh well - gotta love the sugarcubes, though...... :-) >but all in all; the 80s was imo the decade of utter bad taste (and i'm not >talking about the little icelandic record label). i mean fashion, music, >general design and arcitecture - gawd! >personally i'm not that fond of hawkwind's output during the 80s, but compared >with the more popular music of that decade they're not that bad after all ;-) >if only musicians had explored the potensial of the DX7 instead of using the >dreadful pads! ;-) ;-) Finally, a man speaking some sense!! :) There was nothing remotely interesting about any of the 'new wave' electronic pop music and the simultaneous 'hair metal' / glam-poseur movement of the 1981-1987 years. (Joy Division I tried out awhile back - had never heard before. Omigod! And never have attempted Barbieri's Japan....don't *eeee-ven* want to know! Depeche Mode? I don't even know one song. They *have* to be horrible, just with that name alone.) Somehow, all that complete nonsense managed to drown out any and all attempts at a serious underground movement of any kind (that I could care about...I suppose somebody will now tell me about some, but I probably am not interested so much - prolly involves defecation in some form or another), save maybe the Minneapolis too-early-for-grundge-coattail-riding-status 'post-punk' bands like Husker Du, Soul Asylum and the Place Mats (all of who were just sort of 'ok' anyway). And then, as Ketil indicated, the few proggy and/or spacey bands that persevered, like Hawkwind and Eloy for instance, were gently nudged towards modifying their sound to fit in a little bit more ('metallized' and 'dumbed down somewhat'). Total unmitigated disaster of a time, and just when I was going through *those* years in college when I first began my obssessive record-shopping habits (have only gotten worse). I imagine that my fondness for Queensryche, Marillion, and 10,000 Maniacs were greatly enhanced by being up against such pathetic competition. And I think U2 and REM were also 'nothing' bands that reaped the benefits big time of being just 'better than any of that other crap.' Without the internet, we might have *still* been stuck in that same rut frighteningly, though I think that the 1989-90 transition in music was fruitful in some ways even if a lot of that music was 'pants,' or at least overhyped, so I believe things were already improving before 'indie' took on a whole new meaning in the last five years. Grakkl (FAA), who feels that the 1977-1981 period that suffered from disco, multiple mis-interpretations of what 'punk' was supposed to mean, and the massive overexposure of the classic rock analogue of the movies 'Titanic' and/or 'Pearl Harbor,' also known as Boston, at least had some tail-end classic prog/spacerock and some interesting NWOBHM bands (Diamond Head especially). And as we just talked about a few days' ago, also the Police and the spread of "reggae awareness." [And also, Blondie's "Heart of Glass" is *my* song that I should be embarrassed to admit I like, but will, 'cause I want to help those who have (partially-)defended Culture Club, Spandau Ballet (come on!) and Duran Duran to feel a little better about themselves today.] :) P.S. What Atomic Rooster to get? I've been intending to get something one of these days, but wasn't sure if a 'best hits' was the way to go or not. Is there a seminal AR album? From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Oct 24 17:11:06 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:11:06 +0200 Subject: Off: was Yule Ritual, now Gong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for Your opinions, unfortunatly, my economy doesn't allow anymore expences at the moment so the live one has to wait a bit...however, I'm really looking forward to the Gong-gig in Gothenburg in November... ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Oct 24 17:07:48 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:07:48 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > Mark Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 17:59:56 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:59:56 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: see - I have my uses!!!!!!! Andy G. (can I keep to that now that Gilham's (temporarily) not here right now!!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > I am glad that this discussion has come up. Because of this topic here > on boc-l, I have learned that there is a third MQB to be purchased. I > have the s/t and the Definitive Mysterys, but I was not aware of the > other one. I will be purchasing it very soon. > Chris > > ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > I have to say - I tend to feel that the smaller bands who don't have the > > same profiles as Hawkwind people have more to lose by this so soon after an > > event. I take your point about profile, but having spoken at length to > > several musicians about this, all worry when the activity occurs WITHOUT > > them having been consulted first, and this I think is the key point here, > > certainly for the smaller acts, that's for sure. Again, just down to a bit > > of thought and respect. If I'm seen as over-reacting, then better that than > > the other way. Again, don't want to spoil enjoyment (and I know I have a > > large collection of the things in a cupboard going back to '71) but when you > > start a CD label yourself, you realise what effects something like this can > > have if they get 'out of control', in this minor dept of the musical cosmos. > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Mather" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:06 AM > > Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > > > > > >>I'm sure that goes double from you for the tapes of the RFH and Nikestra > >>gig recordings that were offered on here recently? > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Paul. > >> > >>e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >> > >>"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > >> --- Frank Vincent Zappa > >> > > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 24 18:06:28 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:06:28 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London Message-ID: Just to fill everyone in, Griffin now have less than 20 left, we're taking a final ten, then after that it's curtains to the thing, so this really is your last chance (out of our ten, 7 are spoken for). History in the making.....going, going..........gone!!! Andy G (CD Services) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Crossley" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > > > Mark > > Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 17:47:35 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:47:35 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > Anyone care to go any lower!!! I restate my case. Matt Bianco. Yours, creeping out the back door with a grin, Rich. :-) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 17:48:58 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:48:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: > ah yes - but how many of their audiences realise it's manufactured tosh - or > care, for that matter. But at least it's not ALL manufactured tosh in > todays; pop world. No? Support your argument here... (I'm assuming 'top 40 chart acts here') Cheers, R. NP: Reign in Blood From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Oct 24 17:53:53 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:53:53 -0400 Subject: HW: on the BBC Message-ID: This is an idea stolen from the message board on the official Ozrics site. If enough people petition them, the BBC might be persuaded to put Hawkwind on Jools Holland's Later show. It would be a *great* way of publicising the November tour. For those who haven't seen this programme, it is an excellent music show. A wide variety of bands play live in the studio, in front of an audience, each band or artist getting to do 2 songs, usually. The musicians are treated with respect and as far as you can tell, seem to really enjoy being on the show. Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ and click on the Feedback link low down on the left-hand side. If everyone on this list does it, maybe we can make it happen! From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 24 18:04:16 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:04:16 +0000 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: Andy, You've always appeared a cool geezer, a fount of knowledge(especially when being asked for advice on bands etc.) Don't let this get you down. There will always be bootlegs and bootleggers, at least Dan had the decency to carry out further checks, not like a certain DA we all know and...... PS not all the 80's was crap, I can think of several good'uns, like Marillion (Fish-based), All about Eve, Texas, The Cult to name but four, and as for Alannah Miles.....! >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Off: MQB >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:43:28 +0100 > >even though it's sorted I feel I must reply to this - ALL >I was thinking of was MQB as I spoke long and at length to Hardy before >they >went out there (unusually I try and keep in personal contact with >musicians, >as a retailer - always have - always will ) and he told me that they >planned >to release a CD of the tour and I simply didn't want anything to foul that >release as the band deserves to make it big, so I thought I'd simply get >Dan >to check first - OK, so I should have done it off-group, perhaps, but I >have >no intention of doing it for other CD-R things that get mentioned as I have >nothing to do with the groups in question so do not know their feelings on >the matter, so that one's up to them. I'd spoken to Hardy and THAT'S the >difference. Also, and nothing to do with it as far as you're concerned, as >Dead Earnest representing Spacehead, we still have yet to receive our DAT's >of the German Hawkfan concerts that they recorded but won't return, so it's >always a worry about copying sometimes. >So, I'm not on anyone's side when it comes to trading, this is a one-off to >do with MQB and any band that had said the same before such an event - as >ever, apologies if I have caused offence but however odd it may seem, all I >am doing is to try and help the musicians, and sometimes it can be OK - in >this case I think it has worked out just fine. >Andy Garibaldi >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Bates" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:36 PM >Subject: Re: Off: MQB > > > > >OK - I've already posted, but to copy the shows like this is not the >name > > of > > >the game is it? I KNOW MQB would not be happy about this. > > >Andy G. > > > > Huh, are you saying this is the first time you've heard of a taper > > trading a gig? Give me a break! There have been trades and trees of > > most good bands for decades, you know that. > > > > I have a problem with your post(s), and that is bringing a bad vibe to > > this list about such things. Possibly next time someone tapes a show >they > > may be less likely to trade/tree a gig (at least publicly). > > > > I know where you stand on this issue (you made your point in the Napster > > thread in the past) and why (CD retail and your label Dead Earnest). I'm > > not defending or even taking sides on the legal aspect. But realize this > > is a list of fans, doing what fans do best. If you become the watcher >for > > the "music industry" it will take something away from BOC-L. Sometimes, >its > > best to let things go, regardless how strong you feel. > > > > So which hat are you going to wear? A "fan" or that of a "music >industry" > > watchdog? I hope you remain a fan, because your post are funny and > > informative. If its the later (or both) then I think you have a conflict > > of interest and should refrain from promoting you business on both HW >lists. > > > > > > PS gotta call ya on the quote above, I don't think you "know" that MQB > > would object to sharing a copy of that show. > > > > > > -- > > Doug Bates _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 24 18:12:37 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:12:37 +0000 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: SNAP! PS Does anybody out there have a spare copy on CD of 25 Years on or PXR5? I've got the Alman-Mulo CD's to trade... Failing that, could somebody flog me a copy of the Brixton Hawkestra gig...I know it's out there.. >From: Doug Pearson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: how many is there >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:49:52 -0400 > >On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:14:45 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: > >I was just wondering, how many official HW albums are there? > > > >Not counting any quasi stuff ... Just official stuff the band has > >put out from Hawkwind to Yule Ritual. > > > >Does anybody know off the top of their head? > >My count: >Hawkwind >X In Search of Space >Doremi Fasol Latido >Space Ritual Live >Hall of the Mountain Grill >Warrior on the Edge of Time >Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music >Quark, Strangeness & Charm >P.X.R.5 >Hawklords / 25 Years On >Live '79 >Levitation >Sonic Attack >Church of Hawkwind >Choose Your Masques >Zones >Earth Ritual Preview EP >This is Hawkwind / Do Not Panic >Chronicle of the Black Sword >Out & Intake >Xenon Codex >Palace Springs >Space Bandits >Electric Tepee >Decide Your Future EP >It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous >The Business Trip >Quark, Strangeness & Charm EP >Psychedelic Warriors / White Zone >Alien4 >Love in Space >Lord of Light EP >Distant Horizons >Hawkwind 1997 >In Your Area >Yule Ritual > >That makes 36 (or 32, if you don't count the four EP's) > >Not counted: >Glastonbury Fayre >Greasy Truckers Party >Roadhawks >Masters of the Universe >Repeat Performance >Angels of Death >Weird Tapes vol. 1-7 >Hawkwind Zoo EP >Sonic Assassins EP >Valium Ten/Motorhead single >Friends & Relations vol. 1-3 >Text of Festival >Bring Me The Head of Dave Anderson >Space Ritual vol.2 >Independent Days 1 & 2 >Anthology / Acid Daze vol. 1-3 >Hawkfan 12 >Bristol Custom Bike Show >Travellers Aid Trust >Radio 1 In Concert / Spacerock from London >Live at Reading 1986 >Stasis >Psychedelic Warlords & Lord of Light >California Brainstorm >Live in Space 1990 >Spirit of the Age solstice remixes EP >Gimme Shelter EP >Future Reconstructions >Hawklords Live >Undisclosed Files >Area S4 EP >Kinder der Revolution / Burg Herzen >Strange Daze 1997 >The 1999 Party >Griffin 4-CD box set >Epoch Eclipse / Ultimate Best Of >Ambient Anarchists >All Collectors Series releases (Glasto 90, 79, Masques 82, Atomhenge 76) >Hawkwind Family Tree > >Did I miss any? Should anything that I didn't count, "count"? Or vice- >versa? (My criteria for "counting": compilations don't count; various >artists albums don't count; recordings that came out *after-the-fact* don't >count - that's why 'This is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic' & 'Out & Intake' do >count, but 'The 1999 Party' & the 'Hawkwind Zoo' EP don't; EP's with new, >non-album material, count; stuff that's *just* remixes doesn't count ... I >think that explains everything.) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 24 17:56:24 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:56:24 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB...still Message-ID: turn it up louder,close your eyes,and play them again... tim u don't know me wrote: > > AND I HAVE THE "OUT THERE" AND "DEFINATIVE" neither of which has survived > more than about 30 mins. of play, due to boredom. and my fidgeting for a HW > disc, or an ICU, or even a Fearless Iranians from Hell Lp, etc......... > > but surely all these people must see something I missed, and I will check > out the self-titled release as well, maybe that one will "kick it in" for > me.... > > > Kid Anon. From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 24 18:21:59 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:21:59 +0000 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Don't knock Matt Bianco (or Basia) I had possibly my best ever year and relationship with them burbling out in the backgound. (there's a time and place for the Hawks, but only 99.9%!!!) >From: Richard Lockwood >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:47:35 +0100 > > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > >I restate my case. > >Matt Bianco. > >Yours, creeping out the back door with a grin, > >Rich. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 24 18:22:16 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:22:16 -0400 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: KAJAGOOGOO!!! tim ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Warburton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > > At 12:13 23/10/01, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, > yeah... > > > >> > > > > > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... > "Spandau > > > >Ballet". > > > > One good tune, forget what it's called > > > > >However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more > > >pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet > > >didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their > > >luck. > > > > Yeah, I think they had a sensayooma... > > > > >And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > > > Again, one good toon... > > > > ChrisW, opinion-former extraordinaire! > > *ROTFLOL* From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Wed Oct 24 18:11:03 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:11:03 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: Hi ya all, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > no-ones mentioned how many people were there. is this because there weren't > many??? Not only that but noone has mentioned the dancers! Can't comment on crowd size, I was hanging onto the stage to stop myself falling off the planet. I also was not looking behind me, but I reckon you got a good 800 or so there. The Dancers did not get a great deal of reckognition, everyone getting introduced except them. There were three. One of which was walking a k9 puppy, and one of which was wearing only nipple rings and revealing panties and was thrusting her crotch right at me some of the time, last night I kept seeing her in my dreams...... What a wonderful night! Chris -- I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated. -- Poul Anderson From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 24 18:39:40 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:39:40 -0500 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: hmm, I think the live stuff should count, the stuff the band was behind. So voiceprint stuff and Live Chronicles, 1999 party and such. That's at least 47 then. The official Compilations like roadhawks, I guess are really greatest hits of sorts, and should count, but maybe not, I suppose the label could do that with 0 input from the band. It does get confusing. I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, and I don't think they do. ----- Original Message ----- > > My count: > Hawkwind > X In Search of Space > Doremi Fasol Latido > Space Ritual Live > Hall of the Mountain Grill > Warrior on the Edge of Time > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Quark, Strangeness & Charm > P.X.R.5 > Hawklords / 25 Years On > Live '79 > Levitation > Sonic Attack > Church of Hawkwind > Choose Your Masques > Zones > Earth Ritual Preview EP > This is Hawkwind / Do Not Panic > Chronicle of the Black Sword > Out & Intake > Xenon Codex > Palace Springs > Space Bandits > Electric Tepee > Decide Your Future EP > It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous > The Business Trip > Quark, Strangeness & Charm EP > Psychedelic Warriors / White Zone > Alien4 > Love in Space > Lord of Light EP > Distant Horizons > Hawkwind 1997 > In Your Area > Yule Ritual > > That makes 36 (or 32, if you don't count the four EP's) > > Not counted: > Glastonbury Fayre > Greasy Truckers Party > Roadhawks > Masters of the Universe > Repeat Performance > Angels of Death > Weird Tapes vol. 1-7 > Hawkwind Zoo EP > Sonic Assassins EP > Valium Ten/Motorhead single > Friends & Relations vol. 1-3 > Text of Festival > Bring Me The Head of Dave Anderson > Space Ritual vol.2 > Independent Days 1 & 2 > Anthology / Acid Daze vol. 1-3 > Hawkfan 12 > Bristol Custom Bike Show > Travellers Aid Trust > Radio 1 In Concert / Spacerock from London > Live at Reading 1986 > Stasis > Psychedelic Warlords & Lord of Light > California Brainstorm > Live in Space 1990 > Spirit of the Age solstice remixes EP > Gimme Shelter EP > Future Reconstructions > Hawklords Live > Undisclosed Files > Area S4 EP > Kinder der Revolution / Burg Herzen > Strange Daze 1997 > The 1999 Party > Griffin 4-CD box set > Epoch Eclipse / Ultimate Best Of > Ambient Anarchists > All Collectors Series releases (Glasto 90, 79, Masques 82, Atomhenge 76) > Hawkwind Family Tree From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 24 17:32:03 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:32:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Alernate SD2001 announcement (the truth!) Message-ID: Hey... Speaker-Cranker always has entertaining gig announcements...since it's partly relevant to the list this time, I think I'll share. I found it quite funny, esp. since I'm a former Lake County resident, though I never lived in any of the big old homes in Collinwood (that are likely to fall into the Lake sometime soon I imagine). Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Once upon a time there was a mystical and enchanted land called Collinwood where a magical people dwelled. These people constructed a beautiful hall the likes of which man has never seen. As time passed, these mysterious and magical people migrated to a land called "Lake County" leaving behind their wondrous structure. It was then that a new sort of folk came forth know as "INDIE-IANS". It was these fanciful gnomes and thrift store clad nymphs that inhabited the hall. They would gather to stare at the local lute and flute players and drink of the dirty tap. All was well in this land until one day when the evil scourge known only as "THE PROG" took over and sent the habitants running back to the efficiency apartments and resale shoppes from whence they came. It seemed as though all hope was lost as THE PROG overtook the hall and proceeded to perform their whimsical space noodlings and talk of all things Tolkien. But then, it the midst of the pagan ritual, a lone gnome adjusted his thick black framed glasses, zippered up his BP jacket and ventured into the heart of THE PROG. It was there, among the faded Hawkwind t-shirts and pony tails, did he see that they actually were not so different after all. He noticed that both clans had much in common. They both were obsessive, lazy and feared women. With newly opened eyes and cleared mind he learned that they could all live in peace and happiness. (especially since the show was only in town for Friday and Saturday). SPEAKER\CRANKER FRIDAY OCTOBER 26TH 11:00PM THE BEACHLAND BALLROOM For more info on the STRANGE DAZE festival please go here: http://www.strange-trips.com/docs/ SPEAKER\CRANKER FREE...always! http://www.speakercranker.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 24 19:08:58 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:08:58 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there In-Reply-To: <00c401c15cdc$c509d140$b9a5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dan Witt wrote: => hmm, I think the live stuff should count, the stuff the band was behind. So => voiceprint stuff and Live Chronicles, 1999 party and such. That's at least => 47 then. The official Compilations like roadhawks, I guess are really => greatest hits of sorts, and should count, but maybe not, I suppose the label => could do that with 0 input from the band. It does get confusing. => => I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than => this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, => and I don't think they do. I just did a quick count of my CD racks and noted 51 Zappa albums there---and I don't even have all of his *official* releases. (I know, a shocking revelation!:) BTW, I only counted official releases. Last time I looked in Hot Wacks (many years ago), Zappa bootlegs occupied several pages... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 24 19:20:26 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:20:26 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB 11/19/2001 photos Message-ID: I posted some photos to the yahoo account. http://briefcase.yahoo.com/mongolian_stopper Just click on My Documents. One photo of Harvey, one of MQB with a flash, one of MQB with no flash. No flash shows off the light show much better. Click right on the photo to see the full hi-res image, but it probably won't fit on your browser screen then. From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 24 19:10:00 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:10:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tribute Band Message-ID: A CASE OF A BLIND MAN SUDDENLY ABLE TO SEE (NO OFFENC)_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Briggs" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Hawkwind Tribute Band > For anyone who is interested my mate Dave's Hawkwind Tribute band is > performing at the Royal Standard - Walthamstow on November 2nd. > > They do a wicked set covering a load of Hawk-Classics > Who's gonna Win the War > > Steppenwolf Golden Void Uncle Sam's on Mars Psi Power Deathtrap The Flying > Doctor Angels of Death Psychedelic Warlords Urban Guerrila Levitation > Hassan i Sabba Seven By Seven Spirit of the Age Silver Machine The Watcher > It's So Easy Ejection Master of the Universe Hurry On Sundown Brainstorm > Orgone Accumulator > and others > > They've worked really hard on this gig so if you are in the area - give > them a look in. > I guarantee you won't be dissappointed > > Otherwise inflate their ego's by spinning their hit counters at > > http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net > > Dave > > P.S. David Blunkett (UK Home Secretary) deserves a medal for being one of > the few polititions with the balls to accept that cannabis is a way of life > to half the dam country - and make the first move towards > Decriminalisation/Legalisation - Nice one Davey Boy - I'll light up a fat > one to celebrate :-) From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 24 19:22:26 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:22:26 -0500 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: Wow, I stand corrected. I knew he had a lot. Looks like HW need to catch! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: how many is there > > I just did a quick count of my CD racks and noted 51 Zappa albums > there---and I don't even have all of his *official* releases. (I know, > a shocking revelation!:) > > BTW, I only counted official releases. Last time I looked in Hot Wacks > (many years ago), Zappa bootlegs occupied several pages... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 24 20:26:30 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:26:30 -0600 Subject: Off: MQB...still In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"turn it up louder,close your eyes,and play them again...">> Will do Tim- in fairness, my life around me was in a bad state (as it usually is these days) and it was probably that.,,, They did sound cool, it just didn't reach out and grab me, so (insert loud buzzer noise) the eject button got pushed hastily, and with gusto, and Motorhead was needed badly to counter the mushed-out effects I was feeling at those improper times I tried to catch a lift..... I am certain I will see the light carry on ye happy quimbers.... thanks ps- If I was really all that numb and incapable, I wouldn't have confidently appealed to Andy G for the first CD just a few minutes ago...... so I'll be headed Jerry's way after that- and since I am here- in case Andy didn't stuff the gills out of CD services with Nik's 'Transglobal' CD's- who has their storage room chock full of 'em at Subterranean prices?? (pun intended) mike From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Oct 24 20:03:34 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:03:34 -0500 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London Message-ID: I just ordered it from their web site...sounded like something to have...How large is this thing anyway, and what does it look like... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Crossley" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > Mark Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Oct 24 20:30:21 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:30:21 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: <007301c15ce8$7d64a340$13654c42@coxinternet.com> Message-ID: http://homepage1.nifty.com/hawkwind/japanesesite/gallary/cover/cdsp/metalshi eld.html > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > [mailto:owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Tom Clark > Sent: 25 October 2001 01:04 > To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Subject: Re: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > I just ordered it from their web site...sounded like something to > have...How > large is this thing anyway, and what does it look like... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 24 19:19:24 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:19:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Metal shield Message-ID: >I just ordered it from their web site...sounded like something to have...How >large is this thing anyway, Big. Heavy. >and what does it look like... See Doremi. >Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). If they're gonna send it to Louisiana (?) from the UK for one quid, you're getting a good deal!! Probably cost them a full tenner (or more) in airfreight. Grakkl (FAA), who doesn't have one, 'cause I already have two copies of Undisclosed Files, with slightly different booklets/tray cards, and don't really need a third, big heavy metal thing or no, and who has never heard of Matt Bianco or Basia, and thought Blancmange was a meringue-like dessert treat that managed to defeat Angus Podgorny for the Wimbledon title in c. 1970, and finally who thinks that the Thompson Twins' performance of 'Hold Me Now' on a classic episode of Saturday Night Live was the single most embarrassingly putrid live music display one could ever imagine, but who also remembers a shockingly pathetic and utterly confused ZZ Top performance on one of those "Fill-in-the-blank-Aid" live simulcast TV broadcasts from various parts of the world that were so popular (and appropriately so) in that horrific decade we've been discussing and what is a favourite target of mine to perpetually rail against. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 20:43:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:43:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Cybersquatting? In-Reply-To: <4rqdttgffk7aclvoata049d3cshi8vcmb4@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message <4rqdttgffk7aclvoata049d3cshi8vcmb4 at 4ax.com>, Steve Pond writes >On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:52:31 +0100, you sent through the ether: > >>Never been to the Underworld, but I've always thought Dingwalls was a >>shite venue. > > >Do you mean the new Dingwalls? I agree with you if you mean the old long >skinny Dingwalls.. but they knocked it down & built a proper venue there.. Certainly when I went it couldn't possibly be described as a proper venue, and it was indeed long and skinny, so it must have been the old one. I didn't know it had been rebuilt. In which case I have no preference to express, having never been to either place! -- Nick Medford From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Oct 24 21:00:52 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:00:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Metal shield Message-ID: That was to my contribution to the 80's drivel thread - The Thompson Twins, who I always considered to be putrid.....along with all others mentioned here previously. ZZ Top were OK until their "Give me all your lovin" LP, whatever the name of it was, then went downhill from there, IMO.....think MTV had anything to do with it all? ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: Metal shield >I just ordered it from their web site...sounded like something to have...How >large is this thing anyway, Big. Heavy. >and what does it look like... See Doremi. >Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). If they're gonna send it to Louisiana (?) from the UK for one quid, you're getting a good deal!! Probably cost them a full tenner (or more) in airfreight. Grakkl (FAA), who doesn't have one, 'cause I already have two copies of Undisclosed Files, with slightly different booklets/tray cards, and don't really need a third, big heavy metal thing or no, and who has never heard of Matt Bianco or Basia, and thought Blancmange was a meringue-like dessert treat that managed to defeat Angus Podgorny for the Wimbledon title in c. 1970, and finally who thinks that the Thompson Twins' performance of 'Hold Me Now' on a classic episode of Saturday Night Live was the single most embarrassingly putrid live music display one could ever imagine, but who also remembers a shockingly pathetic and utterly confused ZZ Top performance on one of those "Fill-in-the-blank-Aid" live simulcast TV broadcasts from various parts of the world that were so popular (and appropriately so) in that horrific decade we've been discussing and what is a favourite target of mine to perpetually rail against. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 21:19:43 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:19:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <200110242111.RAA22217@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110242111.RAA22217 at mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes I agreed with nearly all of this, except... >(Joy Division I tried out awhile back - had never heard before. Omigod! and... > Husker >Du, who were just sort of 'ok' >anyway). Joy Div- great band IMHO, (although the remnants- i.e. New Order- rapidly lost it). But check out "Exercise One", "A Means To An End", "Dead Souls", "New Dawn Fades"... these songs are icy forbidding works of art each one... IMHO of course. However they were not an 80s band- Ian Curtis did the deed in 1978. Husker Du- just sort of OK?? Shurely shome mishtake!! I mean, I can see why Joy Div might not float your boat, but the Huskers were one of the very few truly great bands of that era IMO. At least listen to the "Warehouse" album, or "The Living End" live one, except now you'll say you already have, so I guess it's just not your thang. Fair enough. I saw them live once, they were incendiary. -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 24 21:35:42 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:35:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:19:43 +0100, Nick Medford wrote: >Joy Div- great band IMHO, (although the remnants- i.e. New Order- rapidly >lost it). > >Husker Du- just sort of OK?? Shurely shome mishtake!! I mean, I can see >why Joy Div might not float your boat, but the Huskers were one of the very >few truly great bands of that era IMO. I'm in complete agreement. These are both great bands, both of whom I still listen to frequently. In fact, my personal reaction/therapy to certain unpleasent events last month was to record a version of "Turn On The News". Brilliant song. I actually think the second half of the 80's were pretty good, musically (once you got beyond the hair metal and wimpy "alternative" stuff). The first half was awful, though, since: Most classic rock bands had degenerated into oldies acts, self-parody, or were pathetically "updated" to cater to the MTV crowd ... 70's punk had gone rote hardcore - BORING ... New Wave bands that had started out interesting & experimental turned into cheesy disco (the Thompson Twins are a perfect example - their first album, produced by Mike Howlett of Gong, is actually pretty cool; I agree wholeheartedly with the assessments here of their later MTV stuff) ... Most of the underground stuff that made the late 80's much better (Sonic Youth, Big Black, F/i, Green River, Butthole Surfers) hadn't happened yet (the bands on SST & L.A.'s "Paisley Underground" scene - Rain Parade/Clay Allison, Green On Red, and that band I won't mention 'cause someone might be lurking - being pretty much the only exceptions) ... Oh well, at least there was FLIPPER (an early-80s band that UTTERLY RULED!). -Doug (Sex Bomb Baby, Yeah!) jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 21:37:41 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:37:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Nick Medford writes >However they were not an 80s band- Ian Curtis did >the deed in 1978. Doh! It was of course 1980. Still not an 80s band (well, the first few months). -- Nick Medford From grodog at PACBELL.NET Wed Oct 24 21:58:17 2001 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:58:17 -0700 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual---what's the scoop Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:11:18 -0700, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > wrote: > >I've been caught up in non-HW stuff lately. What's the scoop on the > >new CD out or coming out, perhaps around Yule/Xmas, which may or may > >not have Michael Moorcock hooking up with the band? > > Hi Allan! Hi Doug, and everyone else :-) > Details on the new CD, including tracklist, are here: > http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/hawkwind/hawkvp19.htm Gracias mucho! > You're in the Bay Area now, Allan, aren't you? Yep, I live in San Jose now, with my wonderful new wife Heather :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 24 21:59:12 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:59:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <200110250135.VAA08191@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110250135.VAA08191 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >Most of the underground stuff that made the late 80's much better ... like Pere Ubu reforming, as well as those you list: >(Sonic >Youth, Big Black Big Black! Now you are *talking*! Phenomenal. "Kerosene" and "Bad Houses" were my favourite songs ever for a while (if you know what I mean). On a somewhat less abrasive note, I actually really, really like Talking Heads' output up until Stop Making Sense, then it goes dramatically downhill for the most part (hated "Road to Nowhere" for example). But "Remain In Light" would be in my top 10 albums of the 80s for sure. -- Nick Medford From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 24 21:49:02 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:49:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Metal shield Message-ID: ~eliminator~,definitely not as good as the early stuff "look...we can play crappy pop too" tim Tom Clark wrote: > > That was to my contribution to the 80's drivel thread - The Thompson Twins, > who I always considered to be putrid.....along with all others mentioned > here previously. ZZ Top were OK until their "Give me all your lovin" LP, > whatever the name of it was, then went downhill from there, IMO.....think > MTV had anything to do with it all? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Henderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Metal shield > > > >I just ordered it from their web site...sounded like something to > have...How > >large is this thing anyway, > > Big. Heavy. > > >and what does it look like... > > See Doremi. > > >Their web site also lists this @ ?29.49 (plus ?1 postage!). > > If they're gonna send it to Louisiana (?) from the UK for one quid, you're > getting a good deal!! Probably cost them a full tenner (or more) in > airfreight. > > Grakkl (FAA), who doesn't have one, 'cause I already have two copies of > Undisclosed Files, with slightly different booklets/tray cards, and don't > really need a third, big heavy metal thing or no, and who has never heard of > Matt Bianco or Basia, and thought Blancmange was a meringue-like dessert > treat that managed to defeat Angus Podgorny for the Wimbledon title in c. > 1970, and finally who thinks that the Thompson Twins' performance of 'Hold > Me Now' on a classic episode of Saturday Night Live was the single most > embarrassingly putrid live music display one could ever imagine, but who > also remembers a shockingly pathetic and utterly confused ZZ Top performance > on one of those "Fill-in-the-blank-Aid" live simulcast TV broadcasts from > various parts of the world that were so popular (and appropriately so) in > that horrific decade we've been discussing and what is a favourite target of > mine to perpetually rail against. From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Oct 24 22:54:14 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:54:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: Now now... There were so many amazingly brilliant bands in the 80's! My favorites include the already mentioned Husker Du, to whom so many bands owe their musical heritage... This band remains one of my all-time favorites and I can't tolerate a single bad word spoken against the Huskers, as they are sacred and beyond all reproach. And what of that incredibly surreal and beautiful band the Cocteau Twins? Never again will anyone hear such other-worldly and sadly beautiful soundscapes as those of the Cocteau Twins! Let's not forget Dinosaur Jr. either. I think "You're Living All Over Me" has to be among my top ten albums by anyone ever. J. Mascis is the only true guitar hero born from the underground. And of course there is R.E.M. who were fantastic until only the last few albums... throughout the 80's though, they were unstoppable geniuses... "Fables of the Reconstruction" remains a personal favorite. Sonic Youth is certainly a band that can't be ignored either. Big Black was quite a sonic experience, as was Naked Raygun. Near the end of the 80's we had the Pixies and Stone Roses and Pale Saints. Oh, and there was Thin White Rope which has to be one of the greatest American psychedelic guitar bands ever. No, I think I would have to conclude that the 1980's spawned dozens of bands that deeply affected me.... John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > In message <200110242111.RAA22217 at mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K > Henderson writes > > I agreed with nearly all of this, except... > > >(Joy Division I tried out awhile back - had never heard before. Omigod! > > and... > > > Husker > >Du, who were just sort of 'ok' > >anyway). > > Joy Div- great band IMHO, (although the remnants- i.e. New Order- rapidly > lost it). But check out "Exercise One", "A Means To An End", "Dead > Souls", "New Dawn Fades"... these songs are icy forbidding works of art each > one... IMHO of course. However they were not an 80s band- Ian Curtis did > the deed in 1978. > > Husker Du- just sort of OK?? Shurely shome mishtake!! I mean, I can see > why Joy Div might not float your boat, but the Huskers were one of the very > few truly great bands of that era IMO. At least listen to the "Warehouse" > album, or "The Living End" live one, except now you'll say you already > have, so I guess it's just not your thang. Fair enough. I saw them live once, > they were incendiary. > -- > Nick Medford From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 24 23:15:48 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:15:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: >Joy Div- great band IMHO, (although the remnants- i.e. New Order- rapidly >lost it). Uhm, they didn't quite "lose" it, in the sense that they purposefully changed their music. From what I've read, when Curtis died, it was either stop the band or start anew. Which meant both a change of name and a change of musical style. Personally, I like New Order _a lot_ better, though I was annoyed with their techno experiments in the late 80's. But hey, their latest album sounds like they've gone back to their roots, cool :-) BTW, I liked Joy Division's _music_, I just always had trouble with Curtis' voice. Just too freaking weird :-) Speaking of weird voices -- Pavlov's Dog, anyone?? Yes, I know, that was in the 70's. Yes, I know, that was actually _good_ :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Oct 24 23:16:00 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:16:00 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: >I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than >this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, >and I don't think they do. The real question, though, is: does quantity matter more then quality? Or am I just stating the obvious? OK. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 25 00:22:58 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (isotope soap) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:22:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? and the Drew Carey show In-Reply-To: <200110250135.VAA08191@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: "Oh well, at least there was FLIPPER (an early-80s band that UTTERLY RULED!)". -Doug (Sex Bomb Baby, Yeah!) jasret at mindspring.com speaking of this- does anyone know if the now (in)famous "Let Them Eat Jellybeans" compilation album on Alternative Tentacles was ever put to CD.....and if so,,,, where can one be found NOW??....Ebay kept turning up vinyl pressings and it got depressing....... that "entering Jesus from the rear" song was really bad- whoever that was- which leads me to remember the pic disc in the local record shop of Jesus shooting up dope...wonder who that was.....(nothing to do with LP in question) mike ps- which one did Flipper do- my old LP cover ended up housing a Plasmatics LP that I gave some chick, while the LP itself inside the Plasmatics cover ended up going to some freak fan of the LP, and it was fried. oh wow- the news in the background is yacking that there is an "Anthrax Triangle" here in Texas consisting of a six county area down around the border, and the way you know you are a real trueblue farmhand is you don't get it, and apparently no-one does.....even though at the right time of year, the spores are kicked up out of the dirt..... and about that Drew Carey- at the very beginning they had Mimi (is that her name) onstage with Motorhead, Drew was shaken and glasses shattered, but I, like Keith, never watch such atrocities, and I just couldn't do it now- went to sleep for a few (no offense to any fans of the show- it's not that show in particular so much, just any of those forcefed "be a happy American with your chicken in the pot and your 2 automobile cars in the garage that a computer hacks down to a smaller size every year until they are all Yugo looking things) comedies was there more? m From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 00:37:42 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:37:42 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-lists 10/13 & 10/20 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 10/13 1.Escapade-- "Colorfields" (Inner Translucense; Mother West) 2.Neu!-- "Weisensee" (ST'd; Astralwerks) 3.F/i-- "Just to Get Us Off" (Space Mantra; Lexicon Devil) 4.Throbbing Gristle-- "Still Walking" (20 Jazz Funk Greats; Mute) 5.Can-- "Gomorrha" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) 6.Pressurehed-- "Paralysis" (Infadrone; Cleopatra) 7.Vas Deferens Org./Electric Co.-- "Extracting Epiphanies from the Thicket of Implausibility" (More Pelvis Wick for the Baloney Boners; Tekito) 8.Ashra Tempel-- "Freak 'N' Roll" (Join Inn; Purple Pyramid/Spalax) 9.Agitation Free-- "Looping IV" (Last; Spalax) 10.Nik Turner-- "Horus " (Sonic Attack 2000; Dossier) 11.Timothy Leary/Ashra-Leary mix (You Can be Anyone this Time Around/7-Up) 12.Anubian Lights-- "Incubus " (Rare/Remix CD-R) 13.Robert Wyatt-- excerpt from "Animals" soundtrack 14.Thumbtack Smoothie-- "Front Stairs Mattress Toboggan" (Electrickitchentableland; Manic Obsessesive) 15.Hawkwind-- "Countdown/Born to Go" (BBC Radio One Live; Windsong) 16.Hawkwind-- "I am the Reptoid" (In Your Area; Griffin/EBS) 17.The Sonics-- "Strychnine" (Nuggets Vol. 2: Punk; Rhino) 18.The Elastik Band--"Spazz" (Nuggets Vol. 2: Punk) 19.Zappa/Mothers-- "Wonderful Wino" (Lost Episodes; Rykodisc) 20.Gong-- "Radio Gnome Invisible" (Flying Teapot; Decal/Charly) 21.Sundial-- "Yantra Jam" (Acid Yantra; Beggars Banquet) 10/20 1.Ohm-- "In a Desert-Alambic/Clash of the Titans" (Voices; Two Ohm Hop) 2.Cosmic Jokers-- "Raumschiff Galaxie Fliegt in die Sonne/Innergalactic Nightclub (Planeten Sit-in; Spalax) 3.Skye Klad-- "Toxaphene" (ST'd; Mutant Music) 4.Twink and Bevis-- "The Fairy" (Magic Eye; Woronzow) 5.Guru Guru-- "Ooga Booga" (Kanguru/Spaceship: Best of Pt. 1; Cleopatra) 6.Cream-- "Rollin' and Tumblin'" (Fresh Cream; Atco) 7.Iron Bong-- "Apple Gate" (Big Hits; Lost) 8.Amon Duul II-- "Eye Shaking King" (Yeti; Repetoirre) 9.Escapade-- "A Disturbed Sleep" (Inner Translucense) 10.Hawkwind-- "Black Corridor/Seven by Seven" (Space London '72; Live Storm) 11.Guild Navigators-- "Space Ark" (Phase 1: '91-'97; thanks, Dr. Spacely!) 12.Pressurehed-- "Hedstrap" (Infadrone) 13.Knights of the Occasional Table-- "Lava Lamp" (Le Elephants du Paradis; Middle Earth/Jungle) 14.Tangle Edge-- "Yatantah pt. 2" (Tarka; Delerium) 15.Jason Strazabosco-- "Solo #1" 16.Thumbtack Smoothie-- "Front Stairs Mattress Toboggan" 17.Can-- "Empress and the Ukraine King" (Unlimited Edition) 18.Shay-- "The Storyteller" (Dreamers and Stalkers) 19.Krom Lek-- "Heaton Jazz" (A Breath of Fresh Air; Stone Premonitions) 20.Dave Brock-- "Motherless Children" (Hawkwind Friends/Relations; Flicknife/Emporium) ...and now...see murray pee... 21.Don Caballero-- "Got a Mile, Got a Mile, Got an Inch" (For Respect; Touch and Go) 22.Helios Creed-- "Hyperventilation" (Boxing the Clown; Amphetamine Reptile) 23.Chrome-- "Chromosome Damage" (Alien Soundtracks; Touch and Go) 24.Helios Creed-- title-track (Boxing the Clown) 25.Subarachnoid Space-- "So Near and Yeti So Far" (Flourescent Tunnelvision; Submergence) <"bonus mix": Welsh Poet Meets the Sexually-Aroused Gas Mask (Thomas/Zappa> tanks, Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 00:49:09 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:49:09 EDT Subject: BOC...timestop Message-ID: wow...still no update since july 14th... one-fourth the year! bobm From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 01:55:59 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:55:59 EDT Subject: OFF ATOMIC ROOSTER was Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/01 2:20:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK writes: > Headline News was originally on Towerbell also had Bernie Torme (who toured > the album) on guitar. Absolutely fabulous. Out on CD. Buy it. agreed! Man I gotta go hunt that down for another listen. when i was first getting to like it I couldn't figure out _why_...being so '80s and not old AR at all...maybe a more recent listen will shed some light... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 01:59:56 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:59:56 EDT Subject: OFF ATOMIC ROOSTER was Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/01 10:57:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: > > Headline News was originally on Towerbell also had Bernie Torme (who toured > > the album) on guitar. Absolutely fabulous. Out on CD. Buy it. > > agreed! Man I gotta go hunt that down for another listen. when i was first > getting to like it I couldn't figure out _why_...being so '80s and not old > AR > at all...maybe a more recent listen will shed some light... Chuck > same thing applies here, Chuck...why are you listening to this Calvert/Maximum Effect live CD-R and liking it so much? Is it Calvert? No, I like the guitar work, too (hey, Steve). I dunno...guess it's just a good thing i didn't hear it in the '80s... Chuck From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 03:58:15 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:58:15 +0000 Subject: Off:Lame 80's Pop Message-ID: Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. Mark From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Oct 25 03:37:55 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:37:55 -0400 Subject: OFF ATOMIC ROOSTER was Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: A tad over the top. I won't accept direct credit card orders from most of South East Asia and parts of Eastern Europe. Why? Because if a claim for fraud is lodged the credit card company won't cover me, I have to pay it myself. Small business can't afford that kind of risk, so either you don't accept it at all, or you charge a premium. The harsh reality of business life >>>> > http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=ATOMIC_ROOSTER&s=1151 It's a very bad shop! Don't buy there! They discriminate their customers from Russia! They apply to them "special" terms. CDServices or Amazons or CdZone never do such terrible things! Alisa From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 04:18:28 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:18:28 +0100 Subject: Lame 80's Pop In-Reply-To: <1003993095.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. > Oh, I dunno... "Aye aye aye aye moosey, aye aye aye aye moosey..." Ah. I see. Good point, well argued. :-) R. "Dead or Alive" anyone? From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 25 05:09:14 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:14 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London Message-ID: Er, which one since there are 2 if not 3 on Oxford Street, 2 of which could be called the 'main' one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Edmonds" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:58 PM Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > Mark From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 05:07:35 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:07:35 +0100 Subject: Off: was Yule Ritual, now Gong Message-ID: Hi, I gotta agree with you both there, But then Good Morning is one of those albums that is totally beautiful and is the most awesome album you can put on on a Sunday morning. Regards Iain u don't know me wrote: > < beautiful songs ever and I'm not sure whether Zero to Infinity adds to it or > just reviews the excellence of the first version.>>> rob > > Stunning, breathtaking, tear-inspiring- > > NO comparing to the original IMHO. Leave that one alone! > > the 0 to infinity is a mighty great one however, and I've not heard the > live one..... > > *0* From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 05:09:44 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:44 +0100 Subject: Lame 80's Pop In-Reply-To: <1003993095.webexpressdV3.1.f@mail.u.genie.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. > > Mark > Mark, if I ever meet you, I'm going to have to kill you. I've now got "Best Years Of Our Lives" going through my head, and IT WON'T GO AWAY!!! AAAARRRRRGGGH!!! :-) Cheers, Rich. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 25 07:12:28 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:12:28 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: dave hall's message of Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: dave hall writes: > Count me in > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Z E Itgeist > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 > Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser > > > >As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives > >along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and greet. > > > >Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. Count me in. Can we make the Edinburgh Venue "The Jolly Judge" please, as I've already told several people that that's the place. I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd be good to have a list of who to look out for too... cheers FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 25 07:16:26 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:16:26 +0100 Subject: wanted: Steve Ibbert (sp?) phone number Message-ID: He's the pal of Trev's who used to wear labcoats to gigs until a year or so ago. If anyone has this could they let me know? Clear it with Steve first if you like, but he won't object to it being passed to me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 25 07:20:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:20:23 +0100 Subject: HW: on the BBC In-Reply-To: Moonglum .'s message of Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:53:53 -0400 Message-ID: Moonglum . writes: > This is an idea stolen from the message board on the official Ozrics site. > > If enough people petition them, the BBC might be persuaded to put Hawkwind > on Jools Holland's Later show. It would be a *great* way of publicising > the November tour. > > For those who haven't seen this programme, it is an excellent music show. > A wide variety of bands play live in the studio, in front of an audience, > each band or artist getting to do 2 songs, usually. The musicians are > treated with respect and as far as you can tell, seem to really enjoy being > on the show. > Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ and click on the Feedback link low down > on the left-hand side. If everyone on this list does it, maybe we can make > it happen! Good plan! I've just done that. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 25 07:38:03 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:38:03 EDT Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <200110250315.XAA01644@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 24 Oct 2001, at 23:15, Alex S. Garcia wrote: >> Speaking of weird voices -- Pavlov's Dog, anyone?? Yes, I know, that > was in the 70's. Yes, I know, that was actually _good_ :-) > > I saw Pavlov's Dog open for B?C once. Never heard them on record. They were...well...kind of strange, and not, shall we say, appreciated by the crowd who had definitely shown up to see B?C... theo From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 07:58:19 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:58:19 -0400 Subject: Lame 80's Pop Message-ID: Rich, That is what is so annoying. I can imagine hundreds of 'previously credible' music fans now getting strange looks while they hum along to their chosen (NOT) Modern Romance tune. All together now Aay Aay Aay Aay eff off, Aay Aay Aay Aay eff off - that should exorcise the modern romance demons. Mark On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:44 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >> Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. >> >> Mark >> > >Mark, if I ever meet you, I'm going to have to kill you. I've now got "Best >Years Of Our Lives" going through my head, and IT WON'T GO AWAY!!! >AAAARRRRRGGGH!!! > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 08:10:17 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Drinks Message-ID: Hi, Having lurked awhile and contributed sporadically from work, I have now gone out and bought a computer for the home. Having worked with them for 18 years I always wanted to get away from them when I got home. But current Hawk related activity, restrictions on access from work following the Nimda virus, daughter starting school and finding out what computers are have all made me take the plunge. You may get a bit more from me on a regular basis now but here's a few for starters. On this years tour I can't make my local gig at Liverpool as I am away that weekend so I am going to Leeds - any suggestions for a pre show drink venue. I can make suggestions for Liverpool but I won't be able to make it myself. Any suggestions for a decent ISP to use (UK based). I'm looking for a flat rate monthly payment as I'm already spending plenty of time online. I have also fedback to the Jool's Holland Later web site (reminds me of the Glastonbury 2000 vote - what a success that was!) Hope there is more success with this one Mark From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 25 09:16:55 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:16:55 +0800 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: From: "Ted Jackson" > I saw Pavlov's Dog open for B?C once. Never heard them on > record. They were...well...kind of strange, and not, shall we say, > appreciated by the crowd who had definitely shown up to see B?C... > > theo > PD released two albums - Pampered Menial and At The Sound Of The Bell. David Surcamp came out of obscurity and released an album called Mood(s) for Mallards. I only heard it once. Didn't think it was a patch on the first two albums. I love his voice though. Bill From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Oct 25 09:08:00 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > P.S. What Atomic Rooster to get? I've been intending to get something one > of these days, but wasn't sure if a 'best hits' was the way to go or not. > Is there a seminal AR album? _Death Walks Behind You_. There's some other good stuff, especially on _In Hearing Of_, but _Death Walks Behind You_ is seminal. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 09:13:14 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:13:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <3BD7C15B.9514.1BC828@localhost> Message-ID: > > >> Speaking of weird voices -- Pavlov's Dog, anyone?? Yes, I know, that > > was in the 70's. Yes, I know, that was actually _good_ :-) > > > > > I saw Pavlov's Dog open for B?C once. Never heard them on > record. They were...well...kind of strange, and not, shall we say, > appreciated by the crowd who had definitely shown up to see B?C... > > theo > I never saw Pavlov's Dog, but I did see Schroedinger's Cat a couple of times. Not bad really... Better name too. If you're a cat person. :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 09:22:25 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:22:25 +0100 Subject: Lame 80's Pop In-Reply-To: <200110251158.HAA11218@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Chortle. If it helps anyone, I find that humming the opening riff to "Harvester of Eyes" gets anything out of my head! Now, altogether now... "Everybody's doing the Len Ganley Stance, everybody's doing the Len Ganley Stance..." :-) Cheers, Rich. > > Rich, > > That is what is so annoying. I can imagine hundreds of 'previously > credible' music fans now getting strange looks while they hum along to > their chosen (NOT) Modern Romance tune. > All together now Aay Aay Aay Aay eff off, Aay Aay Aay Aay eff off - that > should exorcise the modern romance demons. > > Mark > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:44 +0100, Richard Lockwood > wrote: > > >> > >> Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. > >> > >> Mark > >> > > > >Mark, if I ever meet you, I'm going to have to kill you. I've now got > "Best > >Years Of Our Lives" going through my head, and IT WON'T GO AWAY!!! > >AAAARRRRRGGGH!!! > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 25 09:23:25 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:23:25 -0400 Subject: Off:Lame 80's Pop Message-ID: >Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. Nah. My vote goes to Modern Talking. Same damn song repeated ad nauseam on every damn album. They'd just change the lyrics. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 09:29:12 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:29:12 +0100 Subject: Off:Lame 80's Pop In-Reply-To: <200110251323.JAA10105@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > >Surely the worst band of all was Modern Romance - nuff said. > > Nah. My vote goes to Modern Talking. > > Same damn song repeated ad nauseam on every damn album. They'd just change > the lyrics. > Gill (my fiancee) says that about Hawkwind. :-( Ah well. Off into my appraisal now. See y'all in the next life. Cheers, Rich. From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 09:32:49 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:32:49 -0400 Subject: HW:NME Message-ID: Surprising but true, This weeks NME contains a short but positive review of the RFH show. It even acknowledges Hawkwind's influence on every current psychadelic band. Short but positive - a surprise. The review has not yet made it onto their website at WWW.NME.COM Mark From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 25 09:34:15 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:34:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pavlov's Dog Message-ID: >PD released two albums - Pampered Menial and At The Sound Of The Bell. Actually, they've released two other albums after that. The third is from the same era, though a lot more obscure (that is, rarer & harder to find, though I believe it was reissued on CD a few years ago) and then, they made somewhat of a comeback in the 90's (can't remember which year exactly, though I'm pretty sure it wasn't all that long ago, perhaps 3-4 years ago?) with a 4th album called "Lost in America". I haven't heard those last two, unfortunately. >I love his voice though. I'll second that. I'm assuming most of you have heard of Starsailor by now -- they're the new rising rock stars of the moment. Well, their singer is no Surkamp, but he still has an amazing voice that for some reason keeps reminding me of PD. Go figure. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Oct 25 10:03:57 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:03:57 -0500 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: >even though it's sorted I feel I must reply to this - ALL >I was thinking of was MQB Andy, I respect your concerns, hopefully as the music spreads it will benefit everyone. now come on lets go space truckin' come on come on I SAID COME ON lets go... ect. (sorry ears still ringing from last nights jam) -- Doug Bates From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Thu Oct 25 11:56:24 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:56:24 -0500 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Gesundheit >>> Tim 10/24/01 05:22PM >>> KAJAGOOGOO!!! tim ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Warburton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > > At 12:13 23/10/01, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, > yeah... > > > >> > > > > > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... > "Spandau > > > >Ballet". > > > > One good tune, forget what it's called > > > > >However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more > > >pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet > > >didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their > > >luck. > > > > Yeah, I think they had a sensayooma... > > > > >And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > > > Again, one good toon... > > > > ChrisW, opinion-former extraordinaire! > > *ROTFLOL* From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 12:28:48 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:28:48 +0100 Subject: HW:NME In-Reply-To: <200110251332.JAA11937@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200110251332.JAA11937 at listserv.spc.edu>, Mark Von Bargen writes >Surprising but true, > >This weeks NME contains a short but positive review of the RFH show. It >even acknowledges Hawkwind's influence on every current psychadelic band. > >Short but positive - a surprise. > >The review has not yet made it onto their website at WWW.NME.COM Haven't seen it, I gave up buying the NME about a decade ago, but will check their website for it in due course. They also had a very positive review of last year's Xmas Astoria gig - this was on the website, maybe still is. It was rather amusing though, clearly having been written by someone with only a nodding acquaintance (if that) with HW's muse. I find it hard to set too much store by such things- psych music is vaguely fashionable again, and papers like the NME are all about fashion, far more than they are about than music. Give it another year and they'll be calling HW boring old hippy wasters again. -- Nick Medford From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Oct 25 12:49:24 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:49:24 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB...space truckin' Message-ID: Doug Bates wrote: > > >even though it's sorted I feel I must reply to this - ALL > >I was thinking of was MQB > > Andy, > > I respect your concerns, hopefully as the music spreads it will benefit > everyone. > > > now come on lets go space truckin' > come on > come on > I SAID COME ON > lets go... ect. > > (sorry ears still ringing from last nights jam) > > -- > Doug Bates `Space Truckin'~ what a great cove song for MQB to do... tim From soltanic at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 25 13:35:27 2001 From: soltanic at YAHOO.COM (Allen Shaw) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:35:27 -0700 Subject: HW:Motorhead on Drew Carey show Message-ID: Motorhead were on the Drew Carey show last night as a cameo rock music gag. Very short segment. Camera was shaking the full time and plaster falling. I think they were singing the words "I'm Sorry" over and over. well, still nice to see Lemmy on national TV. But it should have been the full show with him playing a major character. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Oct 24 19:31:37 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:31:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I collected #203 the night of the RFH show... Helen had ordered it, so they may still have a few in stock somewhere... ChrisW At 20:58 24/10/01, you wrote: >If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford >Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > >Mark From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Oct 24 19:37:38 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:37:38 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:22 24/10/01, you wrote: >KAJAGOOGOO!!! >tim Just how ****ing low can you stoop.... B*st*rd!!!!! ChrisW (Off to bed in disgust!) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Oct 24 19:40:40 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:40:40 +0100 Subject: HW: how many is there In-Reply-To: <00c401c15cdc$c509d140$b9a5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: >I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than >this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, >and I don't think they do. Pete Namlook? Bill Laswell must be up there too - incredibly prolific Some jazz artists too! ChrisW From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 14:21:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:21:29 +0100 Subject: HW: how many is there In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025003817.009fb2b0@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: In message <5.1.0.14.0.20011025003817.009fb2b0 at pop.madasafish.com>, Chris Warburton writes >At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: >>I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than >>this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, >>and I don't think they do. > >Some jazz artists too! Indeed- I once looked this up in the Guinness Book of Records, and it said Charles Mingus had been on more commercially available recordings than any other musician. Might have changed since then though, it was quite a few years ago. -- Nick Medford From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Oct 25 13:50:50 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:50:50 +0100 Subject: HW: on the BBC Message-ID: Good idea. The only thing about 'Later' is Jools always seems to want to plonk along with the bands wearing that inane grin. This could be interesting during Sonic Attack, however... ----- Original Message ----- From: Moonglum . To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: HW: on the BBC > This is an idea stolen from the message board on the official Ozrics site. > > If enough people petition them, the BBC might be persuaded to put Hawkwind > on Jools Holland's Later show. It would be a *great* way of publicising > the November tour. > > For those who haven't seen this programme, it is an excellent music show. > A wide variety of bands play live in the studio, in front of an audience, > each band or artist getting to do 2 songs, usually. The musicians are > treated with respect and as far as you can tell, seem to really enjoy being > on the show. > > Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ and click on the Feedback link low down > on the left-hand side. If everyone on this list does it, maybe we can make > it happen! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 14:51:43 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:51:43 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: <00b101c15d34$b8407880$66b2eec3@development.bloomsbury.com> Message-ID: By main, I meant the one between Oxford Circus and Tottenham Ct Rd tubes. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > Sent: 25 October 2001 10:09 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > Er, which one since there are 2 if not 3 on Oxford Street, 2 of > which could > be called the 'main' one? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Edmonds" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > > > Mark From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 14:48:18 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:48:18 +0100 Subject: Super Furry Animals - Rings around the world Message-ID: Is it just me or does Rings around the world by the super furry animals sound quite similiar to silver machine? Especially the start of the song. Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 14:57:07 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:57:07 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025002946.00a99c00@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: And I got 204! > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Warburton > Sent: 25 October 2001 00:32 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > I collected #203 the night of the RFH show... > Helen had ordered it, so they may still have a few in stock somewhere... > ChrisW From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Oct 25 15:04:27 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:04:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Super Furry Animals - Rings around the world In-Reply-To: <005001c15d87$dbc3e0a0$98bb1e3e@gypo> Message-ID: Colm McWilliams wrote: > Is it just me or does Rings around the world by the super furry animals > sound quite similiar to silver machine? Especially the start of the song. I can't say, because none of the record stores around here sell the fricking album! I've looked all over for it in the vain hope of not having to go through the extra wait of mail order. (Yes, I realize that if I had ordered it in the first place I would have received it a long time ago. ;-) Strangely enough, I do have the CD single for "Juxtaposed with U," which I picked up in Ireland. I figured I'd just buy the full album back in the US. So far, I figured wrong.... Brian OBCD> "Radiator" Super Furry Animals From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 25 16:12:19 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike coleman) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:12:19 -0600 Subject: Off: MQB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok- I'm sneaking in for a minute this comment has nothing to do with the excitement being currently generated by the shows, and I am sure they are "mind expanding".... played "Definative" last night with all the normal preparations required to knock my guilty conscious back (and admittedly it almost doesn't work anymore) anyway- for the third time (with this particular CD) it was all I could do to hang in for 30 minutes- terrible boredom and sinking spirits-- I FORCED FORCED FORCED myself to hang in there, like I set out to do last time- indeed, the music improved after that 30 minutes- BUT these comments remain 1) I found myself about to PRAY for the CD to end- it seems like it NEVER ENDS 2) Super great sprinkling of effects, here and there- I can see if I had taken some "Brainsquid", it might have helped, but at 36, I can't do this for every CD I play...(I could if I wanted though) 3) Too much repetetitve riffing, monotone sounds- needs hypodermic injection of, dare I say it- METAL- maybe they have 'cranked up' since that CD, but I just have to bail on this one- so back into the mainstream I went- "days of the new"'s newest one , called "days of the new" (hehe) was great.......it ,too, was a little mooshy here and there- but not bad- I think the best thing I heard last night was a Langton Riff popping out at me from a slightly unclear recording and I had to consciously stop the little air guitar I was trying to play.... but that wonderful sustained sound came launching forth and made the ears stand up for a second...I hope the "electric eye" spy was focused on the neighbors house at that moment.... mike From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Oct 25 15:09:07 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:09:07 +0100 Subject: Super Furry Animals - Rings around the world Message-ID: Mark Radcliffe made the same analogy once. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colm McWilliams To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Super Furry Animals - Rings around the world > Is it just me or does Rings around the world by the super furry animals > sound quite similiar to silver machine? Especially the start of the song. > > > > Colm McWilliams > ICQ: #62753543 > Currently listening to: From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Oct 25 15:08:22 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:08:22 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: i believe bob dylan is releasing his 43rd album... tim Chris Warburton wrote: > > At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: > >I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than > >this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, > >and I don't think they do. > > Pete Namlook? > > Bill Laswell must be up there too - incredibly prolific > > Some jazz artists too! > > ChrisW From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 25 16:44:57 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:44:57 +0100 Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London Message-ID: Cheers. --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > By main, I meant the one between Oxford Circus and Tottenham Ct Rd tubes. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > > Sent: 25 October 2001 10:09 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > > > > Er, which one since there are 2 if not 3 on Oxford Street, 2 of > > which could > > be called the 'main' one? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Edmonds" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:58 PM > > Subject: Metal shield at HMV Oxford Street London > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, there is one of these things at the main Oxford > > > Street HMV as of lunchtime 24/10. > > > > > > Mark From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 25 17:32:32 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:32:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: French interview Message-ID: I bought a new French rock magazine today, called "Rock Hard". It includes an interesting two-page interview with Eric Bloom. I learned that "Showtime" & "Stone of love" are both older tracks (dating respectively from 78 and 83) that never made it to a record; and that the band is planning to release a DVD in summer 2002. Eric also talks about the Stalk Forest Group release on the Rhino label, of the reissue of their first 4 albums (with some bonus tracks) and, my favorite bit, I'll translate/quote: "_Master of puppets_ is an album that changed my elder son's life, who is now 23 years old. One day, I took him to a Metallica concert and took him to meet the band members backstage before the show, to take a picture as a souvenir. Later, during the show, in between songs, the band would goof around playing intros to BOC's "Cities on flame", "Godzilla", etc. My son couldn't believe it. He realized that the Cult had influenced his idols. And that his father wasn't a dodderer." Oh! Also, the interviewer (the guy's good!) ends with the question we've ALL been asking: why wasn't "Godzilla" used in the movie??? Turns out it was the director's call. He was contacted by the band's label but never deigned to reply. So I guess he just didn't like the band, eh? Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 14:55:20 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:55:20 +0100 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: Namlook's up to about 200 now I think - in terms of CD's - most of whihc feature him in some capacity either solo, duo or trio. Actually, I'm the only guy in the UK mail order scene to have reviewed each and every one of them, but never bothered with the vinyl that preceded all those. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: HW: how many is there > At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: > >I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than > >this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, > >and I don't think they do. > > Pete Namlook? > > Bill Laswell must be up there too - incredibly prolific > > Some jazz artists too! > > ChrisW From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 14:59:26 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:59:26 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: thanks - appreciated. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > >even though it's sorted I feel I must reply to this - ALL > >I was thinking of was MQB > > Andy, > > I respect your concerns, hopefully as the music spreads it will benefit > everyone. > > > now come on lets go space truckin' > come on > come on > I SAID COME ON > lets go... ect. > > (sorry ears still ringing from last nights jam) > > -- > Doug Bates From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 15:13:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:13:53 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I'll be leafleting Glasgow and Edinburgh if I can find a dirty raincoat....... but seriously, I will do each, so if any pub meeting is on the cards, fer chrissakes tell me exactly where it is. Andy G (foreigner) ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > dave hall writes: > > > Count me in > > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Z E Itgeist > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 > > Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser > > > > > > >As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives > > >along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and greet. > > > > > >Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. > > Count me in. Can we make the Edinburgh Venue "The Jolly Judge" please, > as I've already told several people that that's the place. > > I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd > be good to have a list of who to look out for too... > > cheers > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:26:23 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:26:23 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: kind words -thank you; believe me, nothing but nothing to do with music gets me down, political, legal or what - but, just occasionally, certain points aimed point blank require a swift reply to rectify or explain, and occasionally in the eyes of the people you are there to serve, you can't do right for doing wrong. In my opinion what I did and said re-MQB in the light of my chats with Hardy was the right thing to do and I stand by it completely. But it gets sorted, we move on..... .....and tonight's next step for me is the announcement to one and all that, at long last, we now have back in stock the amazing Hawkwind 'Alien 4' CD for all those that wanted a copy and were told "could be a problem, squire" - for you out there, it's here and it's here now!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark cotton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > Andy, > You've always appeared a cool geezer, a fount of knowledge(especially > when being asked for advice on bands etc.) Don't let this get you down. > There will always be bootlegs and bootleggers, at least Dan had the decency > to carry out further checks From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:48:14 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:48:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: The obvious one to cite is Robbie Williams - I hate the guy's stuff, but it sure as hell ain't manufactured (christ! - my wife actually used to serve him with his records when he was back on the way from school, many years back!!). Then there are several of the USA female rap acts who, while they all sound the same as each other, aren't by the way I'm defining it, manufactured. It's really mainly the UK boy-girl pop acts that are of this ilk, I think, although pseudo-angry bands like Blink 182 make me laugh, and the best two singles around right now are System Of A Down's "Chop Suey" and Andrew WK's "Party Hard" - I look forward to the torrents of abuse over this posting!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > ah yes - but how many of their audiences realise it's manufactured tosh - > or > > care, for that matter. But at least it's not ALL manufactured tosh in > > todays; pop world. > > No? > > Support your argument here... > > (I'm assuming 'top 40 chart acts here') > > Cheers, > > R. > > NP: Reign in Blood From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:50:07 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:50:07 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: ah, the motherlode!!!!! Can't top that one!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > KAJAGOOGOO!!! > tim > ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Warburton" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:33 PM > > Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > > > > > At 12:13 23/10/01, you wrote: > > > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:59:07 +0100, Richard Lockwood > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> I think Duran Duran may actually have been the worst of the lot, > > yeah... > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >The council for the defence would like to present as evidence... > > "Spandau > > > > >Ballet". > > > > > > One good tune, forget what it's called > > > > > > >However I think DD were in fact slightly worse, 'cos they were a lot more > > > >pretentious. I always had the impression that deep down, Spandau Ballet > > > >didn't really think themselves any good, and couldn't quite believe their > > > >luck. > > > > > > Yeah, I think they had a sensayooma... > > > > > > >And what about... (high-pitched hysterical laughter)... Haircut 100?! > > > > > > Again, one good toon... > > > > > > ChrisW, opinion-former extraordinaire! > > > *ROTFLOL* From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:41:17 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:41:17 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I'll see your Matt Bianco and play my Pepsi and Shirley (and pray I'm in the right decade). Rootin, tootin' Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lockwood" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > > I restate my case. > > Matt Bianco. > > Yours, creeping out the back door with a grin, > > Rich. :-) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:54:13 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:54:13 +0100 Subject: lame '80's, etc, etc Message-ID: actually, I suppose I should confess, since this is positively my last posting on the subject that, and no word of a lie, I have THE most enormous collection of vinyl, CD's and tapes by.............Bananarama!!!!! It's a long story......................and, no, I'm not going to tell it here, that's for sure, so you can rest easy!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:00 AM Subject: Re: HW: Metal shield > That was to my contribution to the 80's drivel thread - The Thompson Twins, > who I always considered to be putrid.....along with all others mentioned > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 19:28:54 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:28:54 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: ah yes - Basia!!! you should have seen the overstocks lying around for years in the retail trade over that one - you couldn't even give it away at one point ( I know - we tried - in my previous disguise as Mike Lloyd Music, that is!!) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark cotton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > Don't knock Matt Bianco (or Basia) I had possibly my best ever year and > relationship with them burbling out in the backgound. (there's a time and > place for the Hawks, but only 99.9%!!!) > > >From: Richard Lockwood > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror > >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:47:35 +0100 > > > > > I've got one word - BLANCMANGE!!!!! > > > Anyone care to go any lower!!! > > > >I restate my case. > > > >Matt Bianco. > > > >Yours, creeping out the back door with a grin, > > > >Rich. :-) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 20:14:17 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:14:17 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: hey - could be the first time you and I really disagree - I just LOVE this album!!! Face it, psych fusion is not your thang,is it!!!Altho' you like Ozrics don't you, and what about Melting Euphoria? Perhaps you should sample our stocks of Nebula Trip or Serotonin?? There's hope for you yet!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coleman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > ok- I'm sneaking in for a minute > > this comment has nothing to do with the excitement being currently > generated by the shows, and I am sure they are "mind expanding".... > > played "Definative" last night with all the normal preparations required to > knock my guilty conscious back (and admittedly it almost doesn't work > anymore) > > anyway- for the third time (with this particular CD) it was all I could do > to hang in for 30 minutes- terrible boredom and sinking spirits-- > > I FORCED FORCED FORCED myself to hang in there, like I set out to do last time- > > indeed, the music improved after that 30 minutes- > > BUT > > these comments remain > > 1) I found myself about to PRAY for the CD to end- it seems like it NEVER ENDS > > 2) Super great sprinkling of effects, here and there- I can see if I had > taken some "Brainsquid", it might have helped, but at 36, I can't do this > for every CD I play...(I could if I wanted though) > > 3) Too much repetetitve riffing, monotone sounds- needs hypodermic > injection of, dare I say it- METAL- > > maybe they have 'cranked up' since that CD, but I just have to bail on this > one- > so back into the mainstream I went- "days of the new"'s newest one , > called "days of the new" (hehe) was great.......it ,too, was a little > mooshy here and there- but not bad- > > I think the best thing I heard last night was a Langton Riff popping out at > me from a slightly unclear recording and I had to consciously stop the > little air guitar I was trying to play.... but that wonderful sustained > sound came launching forth and made the ears stand up for a second...I hope > the "electric eye" spy was focused on the neighbors house at that moment.... > > mike From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Oct 25 20:18:13 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:18:13 +0100 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: 42 too many - oh sorry, I didn't mean that - should have read 43 too many!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: how many is there > i believe bob dylan is releasing his 43rd album... > tim > Chris Warburton wrote: > > > > At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: > > >I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than > > >this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, > > >and I don't think they do. > > > > Pete Namlook? > > > > Bill Laswell must be up there too - incredibly prolific > > > > Some jazz artists too! > > > > ChrisW From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Oct 25 21:07:51 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:07:51 -0600 Subject: Off: MQB In-Reply-To: <029601c15db3$275510e0$d897bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: DEAR ANDY-- (OH I'M YELLING, WHOOPS) I have been cringing around the screen waiting for this here is the deal- most of what I say is blah blah- don't take anything too serious- and for public record- my order for their first still stands- cool band, just a bit laxed for my Rittelin free existence (did I spell that right) it's just so many people are getting off on it, I had to throw my struggle into the mix bottom line- everyone on this list is my parents, as this list is my link to humanity it is my look in the mirror, however grim I must have a mirror I regard all here in utmost, and thats why I am around more than is healthy please consider this, and my negative lips are sealed shut once again on this I will try the other cd next now I can eat my breakfast/lunch/dinnerpizza...... Keith, your CD is sounding great, you indeed are worthy of Karen's "affection"- it will take me a long time to sort it all out- the CD's- but I will give my honest thoughts, and it will be mostly good, I am sure.... cheers Listt*at! From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Oct 25 20:18:55 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:18:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV In-Reply-To: <06d101c15cba$5e3fda80$b686bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Naah, "Pick Up The Pieces" was done by The Average White Band. Poco was a country-rock band, whose bass player Timothy B. Schmitt, went on to join some no-name, backup band for Joe Walsh called The Eagles... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:04 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > yeh - Poco - spot on - only good one they ever did. > Andy Garibaldi > P.S. > new Krom-Lek CD ("Collective Conscious") is best yet - a 'must' for > Gong/space-rock fans. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Henderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > > Hey Folks... > > > > I think tonight the Lemster is to make some sort of appearance > on the Drew > > Carey Show (which otherwise I never watch). > > > > And coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of last Tuesday's > Conan O'Brian > > show, and they used 'Ace of Spades' in a skit. Actually, I've seen them > use > > Motorhead before in a skit - can't remember if it was AoS that > time also? > > Anyway, whenever they need angry rock music backing for a skit that is > > portraying mock violence, they seem to head Lemmy's way. The > chief editor > > from The Onion was also on that show last night...I thought their first > > issue following the Towers was the only thing in the media that made any > > damn sense the last month. I felt better after reading through > that! Of > > course, if they were on TV like Bill Maher, they would have been banned > > forever. I still don't understand what was even remotely 'offensive' > about > > what Maher said....we need a war on political correctness as much as > > terrorism it seems. > > > > Well, dunno how I got so off-topic...I didn't get enough sleep > last night. > > > > Gotta go pick up the pizzas (anybody remember that song? Poco?)... > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Oct 25 20:20:59 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:20:59 -0400 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <050d01c15cb3$8ef978e0$b686bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: No problem. No harm, no foul. Just making myself clear here. Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:23 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > yes- apologies are due here I think - guess I got a little > carried away with > the MQB postings. We all make mistakes, as I keep finding for myself. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Shipley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > > Yes, Andy, I own both of the CD's in question. This burn would > be done to > > add "TWS" into where it would have been if it had been included > on the CD > or > > LP, to see what the flow would have been like. > > > > I do not do or condone burning CD's for people who are too cheap to buy > the > > original, if it is still in print. Long OOP, well, that depends... I > > recently burned three OOP titles for a chap here in the US that does a > radio > > show and could not get copies of the CD's to play on his show. If these > > titles were still in print, he would have gotten 'em for free... > > > > Ship > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:45 PM > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > > > > > > > Hmmmm.....as long as you have the original too, of course. For the > record, > > > the Capt Lockheed CD is still available, royalties are still > being paid > to > > > the contributors and so purchase rather than burning is the > order of the > > > day.......from wherever you like, of course. > > > Andy Garibaldi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Craig Shipley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, sounds like it is time to burn a custom CD with the missing > > > > track spliced in... > > > > > > > > Ship > > > > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 25 20:15:51 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:15:51 -0400 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: (realizing that this wasn't addressed to me, I'm still compelled to reply and offer up my unsolicited uninformed opinion) On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:14:17 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >I just LOVE this album!!! >Face it, psych fusion is not your thang,is it!!! In my case (sadly), that's mostly true. Gong excepted, of course! And Alien Planetscapes, since they either really rock out, or get verrrrry weird. Actually, as long as it's heavy or weird enough (neither of which applies to the two bands in the next paragraph), it's fine by me. The various W.O.O. bands definitely fill both categories nicely! >Altho' you like Ozrics don't you, and what about Melting Euphoria? Again, sadly, two bands I never really warmed to (apologies to all who would label me a heretic for my opinion of the former!). I dug the first few Ozrics tracks I heard on various late-80s compilations, but none of their albums that I heard did much for me. At least Melting Euphoria got considerably better (and I never saw them early enough that Don Falcone was still in the band) when Bob Clic (ex-Lewd) joined on guitar and their female singer performed less. Interestingly, Bob's son works on the staff at the rehearsal space where I play in a band whose guitarist was in a band contemporary to the Lewd back in the early 80's. Actually, I think Bob's son is playing (drums?) in the re-formed Lewd, while nary a peep has been heard from Melting Euphoria in some time (don't ask me!?!) ... ... I guess that means I probably would feel about the same way about Mister Quimby's Beard as Mike does :^( ... except that I'd probably be reaching for the Pagans (whose keyboardist on their debut album, Chas Smith, will be at Strange Daze in Einstein's Secret Orchestra ... sadly yet another band that doesn't quite float my boat ... sorry to be so negative!) rather than Fearless Iranians From Hell, but that's splitting hairs. I'll still have to listen to some of the stuff on their website ... and I'm sure I'd still really enjoy their set if I was going to be at Strange Daze this weekend. But I'm not :^(. Have fun, everyone who is!!! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Oct 25 20:25:43 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:25:43 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: One word: MERZBOW On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:40:40 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: >At 23:39 24/10/01, you wrote: >>I knew it was a ton. Question is, what other band has more releases than >>this? The only thing close I could think of would be the stones or zappa, >>and I don't think they do. I think the Stones would only be up there if you counted "greatest hits" packages. >Pete Namlook? > >Bill Laswell must be up there too - incredibly prolific > >Some jazz artists too! Don't forget that most of those jazz artists have been around for much longer than most rock artists ... (which is the same reason why the "average life expectancy of jazz artists is twice that of rock artists" statistic is completely bogus - the only rock artists who are dead so far are the ones who died young, because the old ones haven't gotten old enough to die of old age yet, so OF COURSE the average age at death is going to be very low for rock musicians!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Oct 25 20:48:22 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:48:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:48:14 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: [snip] and the best two singles around right now are System Of A Down's "Chop Suey" and Andrew WK's "Party Hard" - I look forward to the torrents of abuse over this posting!!! >Andy G. Andy, You will get only support from me about these two. System of A Down are excellent. Party Hard is just a great party record - even my three year old daughter dances to that when it gets on the video telly stations. Sad to see the reports about the crowds close attention to Mr WK last week, though. There is just no need, no matter why. Rock On, Mark From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 25 21:17:20 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:17:20 +0100 Subject: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16.57 -0600 01-10-23, mike c wrote: ><choked up, like the way Jimi died.....> >scorch>> > >that's it.....the horror,,,the horror...even now, etc. etc......., I >wonder if Johnny Rotten would blow up a crate of these records with a tank >and put it on TV...... Actually, I just heard some random metal band playing the Boat Race in Cambridge (UK) tonight do the most excellent cover of "Come On Eileen". Totally blew away the Skyclad cover (which wasn't really that different from the original). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 25 21:36:02 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:36:02 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size In-Reply-To: <3BD73C77.34752946@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: At 23.11 +0100 01-10-24, Chris Gibbs wrote: >Not only that but noone has mentioned the dancers! All right: topless (female) dancers are always good (well, I could imagine situations where this wasn't the case, but I won't), quite often even when they're a good decade older than I am (which at least one of them at GT2k1 was). However, though they doubtless added ambiance to the gig, I was too busy rocking to pay them much mind: I've seen plenty of naked women, but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... Priorities! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Thu Oct 25 21:21:37 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:21:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <3BD68693.A140D8A3@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: At 11.14 +0200 01-10-24, Ketil Svendsen wrote: >80s.... >oh well - gotta love the sugarcubes, though...... :-) Sykurmolarnir! The 'Cubes ruled! So much better than Bj?rk's solo stuff! Well ... the first two albums, anyway. Cheers, Carl, proud owner of Kukl LPs :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 21:51:34 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:51:34 EDT Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/01 11:22:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > >Some jazz artists too! > > Indeed- I once looked this up in the Guinness Book of Records, and it said > Charles Mingus had been on more commercially available recordings than > any other musician. Might have changed since then though, it was quite a > few years ago. > Dave Anderson?? :) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 22:11:07 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:11:07 EDT Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: fwiw, I think the MQB sound is really cool but could be kicked up a notch in the energy category with better production. I mean, I still think Definitive is a great album but there are parts (such as "Nebulae") that would kick more butt if the snare-drum sounded right... ok, where's Simon... now on the other hand, to see them live...ah, i don't wanna think about it... as I just told a few Brits off-line, if you know anyone moving to the States, tell 'em Ohio, NOT California (Bay Area excepted of course, Doug)!! Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 22:17:11 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:17:11 EDT Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: I'm thinking of a 45rpm I found in the garage a while ago... (It was my sister's, of course). can't remember the guy's name, but Howard might have been in there somewhere. white tennis-y shorts, wimpy white Vans, light pink all over the place...permy newavey hair, in the later rap-style (like a brick standing on end on yer head)... but then, i don't recall what the music sounded like... ...oh, and as for cheesy metal, it wasn't all in the wimpy/glam style...remember Black Death, Piledriver, Running Wild, etc? Chuck From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 25 23:18:53 2001 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:18:53 EDT Subject: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: Mighty Thunder Rider Speaks - Re: Hawkwind/Hawkestra Hi Guys and Dolls: Lets cut all the bullshit, name calling and divisive behaviour about Hawkwind/Hawkestra. That is not what it should be about. At first- in the beginning - Hawkwind represented a spirit of unity with the people who supported it, and who it supported - fans, benefit causes, creative people who donated their creativity with love unconditionally - Barney Bubbles, Robert Calvert - to name two in memoriam - Michael Moorcock, Liquid Len, and many more - underground media at one with it, much and many more, and everybody was part of the mythology, which was written about, and gave the whole thing unhyped, real, legendary status. It is very sad to see that this ideal has degenerated to the level of a cheap soap, full of trivial gossip, bullshit, blatant lies, and very obvious innuendo. If people cannot say anything positive, honest, and construtive, I suggest they just clam up, keep their traps shut - meditate on it, find internal peace - think about it. This applies to everybody, everybody. So please let's all work together in a spirit of brotherly (and sisterly) love. Music is a healing force, let's all help to heal each other in harmony - help to heal the world - cheap talk can be dangerous. Peace and Luvve, Watch this space NIK TURNER From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 26 00:54:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:54:04 -0600 Subject: Message from Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <14.1c93e2c3.290a301d@aol.com> Message-ID: hey! wait! Nik- this list has been behaving real sweet for a week or more- we pooled our (cough) maturity and started behaving ourselves- I think there is still some action on the Yahoo list how did you do a post from Jim's when you are in Ohio???? Carol!!!!! anyway- have a nice visit Nik- did you see the pic's of Barney at 'Funky Paul's??? - playing guitar no less.... I started trying to color in a dot on the Transglobal CD- When that happens I must like it- I see the Anubian Remixes have the Cupola Craft on it......even if there is some question of betrayal mike "dogd*ck" c From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Oct 26 00:15:01 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:15:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: You are surely thinking of Howard Jones... I am with the person who nominated Dead Or Alive (Pete Burns, one-time member of Echo and the Bunnymen? Or was it Teardrop Explodes?) As Dead Or Alive he had one hit called You Spin Me Right Round or something like that. It was truly vile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:17:11 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >I'm thinking of a 45rpm I found in the garage a while ago... (It was my >sister's, of course). can't remember the guy's name, but Howard might have >been in there somewhere. white tennis-y shorts, wimpy white Vans, light pink >all over the place...permy newavey hair, in the later rap-style (like a brick >standing on end on yer head)... but then, i don't recall what the music >sounded like... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 26 01:27:42 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:27:42 -0600 Subject: Message from Nik Turner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if he saw the bit about the urinal mats??? (oh shit- it's Steve Swan's fault- kidding Steve- TOTALLY-) how about "Rainstorm, Rainstorm".... well said Nik- I feel confident in restating my last statement that Kubasso Kickasso works great for me, it would be cool to see a Hawkwind listed as an actual person, and I will buy my 2 copys...... NO JOKE HERE may you all make peace with yourselves so we can hype all of it if we choose and not get nerve damage (in my own case)..... m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 26 01:47:29 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:47:29 -0600 Subject: (OFF) when the world is .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A MONSTER! who did that song- I liked it ughh..... somebody post something, anything, I am going mental and climbing all over the kitchen and myself..... anything, post anything, I don't care, I'll read it and lose myself in it.... I think I am jealous of Jim and Carol.......must be it..... god bless them though..... must be nice......road and shows ahead.....and company m From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Thu Oct 25 23:40:58 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:40:58 -0500 Subject: NIK: Re: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: What's up? Is this about the few cheap shots here? I don't remember seeing anything real negative about the event. It seemed like a lot people thought it turned out well. If NIK is reading, don't worry about nay sayers. You will always have people that appreciate what you do, and those that don't(that goes for everybody). That being said, did anybody see Nik in Chicago last night? How was it? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Message from Nik Turner > Mighty Thunder Rider Speaks - Re: Hawkwind/Hawkestra > > Hi Guys and Dolls: > > Lets cut all the bullshit, name calling and divisive behaviour about > Hawkwind/Hawkestra. That is not what it should be about. > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Oct 26 05:56:20 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:56:20 -0600 Subject: scared? awaiting firestorm?? In-Reply-To: <14.1c93e2c3.290a301d@aol.com> Message-ID: mmm?? it's 10 a.m. in the UK, surely somebody has their coffee and can speak of a weird Motorhead compilation they saw yesterday for dirt cheap or why Culture Club deserves a repress on earwax colored vinyl....... From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 26 05:02:22 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:02:22 +0100 Subject: off: Re: scared? awaiting firestorm?? Message-ID: Mike, Sorry to say I saw no Motorhead stuff yesterday. I quite like Culture Club, I thought they were the best of the bunch of popsters in the 80's. However I was more into the Cure back then who still are a great band and have some cracking recordings of them live I did however see that the Damned are going back out on tour.. And I can confirm that the new album is a corker. The tour just before its release was terrific and I heartily recommend it. Cant wait till the 20th they are playing the Cheese & Grain in Frome I'll go get a coffee... Hope this helps... Iain mike c wrote: > mmm?? > > it's 10 a.m. in the UK, surely somebody has their coffee and can speak of a > weird Motorhead compilation they saw yesterday for dirt cheap or why > Culture Club deserves a repress on earwax colored vinyl....... From dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 26 05:22:30 2001 From: dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM (Dewi Thompson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:22:30 +0100 Subject: November Tour Message-ID: Hello, I'm looking forward to the imminent tour as I haven't seen the band since the Electric Teepee tour. I must admt, I didn't really enjoy the last few shows I saw as I thought the band had lost their direction a bit. I know that's probably not a popular opinion, but there you go. The main reason I've decided to go again is that Huw is back. Does anyone have an idea what material we can expect? Cheers, see you in Manchester Dewi From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 26 06:17:51 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:17:51 +0100 Subject: HW: on the BBC In-Reply-To: Captain Bl@ck's message of Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:50:50 +0100 Message-ID: Captain Bl at ck writes: > Good idea. The only thing about 'Later' is Jools always seems to want to > plonk along with the bands wearing that inane grin. > > This could be interesting during Sonic Attack, however... I have the original "Sonic Attack" picture ("We flew Hawkfan..... to see a Hawkwind concert.. the results were as expected: permanent brain damage.") up on my wall. The guy just looks *so* 70's that it could really do with an update. FoFP From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 06:22:59 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:22:59 -0400 Subject: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: >If people cannot say anything positive, honest, and construtive, I >suggest they just clam up, keep their traps shut - meditate on it, find >internal peace - think about it. > >This applies to everybody, everybody. Guess we won't be hearing much from Nik then? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 26 06:24:05 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:24:05 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > Count me in. Can we make the Edinburgh Venue "The Jolly Judge" please, > > as I've already told several people that that's the place. > > > > I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd > > be good to have a list of who to look out for too... > I'll be leafleting Glasgow and Edinburgh if I can find a dirty > raincoat....... > but seriously, I will do each, so if any pub meeting is on the cards, fer > chrissakes tell me exactly where it is. Well, even if you top-posted, it'd be great to see you in the pub. To get to the Jolly Judge you need to go up the Mound from Prices Street or Waverley Station. When you get to the Royal Mile crossroads (at Deacon Brodies pub) turn right towards the castle. A little ways up there's a sign pointing down a close to the Jolly Judge. Go down the close and the JJ is down a stair to your left. FoFP From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Fri Oct 26 06:38:28 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:38:28 -0400 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: I now have a copy of the RFH gig and can give my belated 'lightweight' comments as I did not actually attend in person. I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme Shelter.) Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. After looking through Bernhard's track listings for recorded gigs, noticed that Kings of Speed didn't feature live until 1989! So where did that instrumental version on the Zoo EP come from. Was it indeed the backing track for the single? Was Kings of Speed any good on that tour? Who did the vocals and if good does anyone have a good gig from that tour featuring it to trade, either CD-R or cassette? Thanks for Colin for the RFH, Andy Gee for the latest batch of vinyl to digital UPGRADES and Z E Itgeist for the Calvert stuff. I'm still after the following on CD if anyone can help: Calvert Hype, HW ASAM, PXR5, HL 25 Years On, Sonic Attack, Chronicle Black Sword, Xenon Codex. Did nothing ever materialise from that Top Ten footage of the Hawklords? I sent an email to Kris as recommended by Steve Litchfield but got no response. Are the band still chasing it or have they dropped it? Thanks, Eddie Jobson (NOT THE FAMOUS ONE EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING ME IF I AM!) -----Original Message----- From: Jobson, Eddie To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 22/10/01 05:09 Subject: Re: RFH...a short review Does anyone have a CD-R copy to trade? -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 20/10/01 11:40 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Hi folks After listening 4 times to this gig I thought it is time for a short review At the beginning I'd like to thank Colin again for his excellent work. Lets start with the track-listing: lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / new jerusalem / angels of death / sonic attack / watcher / motorway city / hurry on sundown / curse of man / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / ejection / assault & battery / golden void There are 2 real surprizes. They are: - New Jerusalem - Watcher OK, here we go LIGHTHOUSE Unfortunately the song is not complete on the CD-R. Not a bad version but no highlights LEVITATION Superb version. One of the best songs from this gig. Very interesting middle part SPIRAL GALAXY A short version without highlights MOONGLUM Same here. No highlights NEW JERUSALEM The 1st surprize. The last time this song was performed by Hawkwind was in 1979. Now here it is again after 22 years. As far as I know only Dave and Tim were on stage during this song. Phantastic synths. Great performance! ANGELS OF DEATH Interesting song (12 minutes) with an interesting middle part. I like it SONIC ATTACK I never liked this song. But here it is a special one. Mike Moorcock is speaking the words over phoneline from Texas. It ends in an instrumental WATCHER The 2nd surprize. And the 1st highlight. Unfortunately to short. Great bass rhythm, great guitar by Huw. Alan sings like Lemmy. Please HAWKWIND, play it again during the November tour!!! MOTORWAY CITY The 2nd highlight and the best song this evening for me. Again superb guitar playing by Huw HURRY ON SUNDOWN Great song without highlights. I like it though DAMNED BY THE CURSE OF MAN Again a song spoken by Mike Moorcock over the phone. Nothing special here. The last time this song was performed was in 1991 by Harvey during the European HAWKWIND tour (without Dave) HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the last couple of years. The best of this song is the middle part. This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it in March 1978 during the USA tour. Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. I think its time to stop playing it. Please Dave, dig out some better ones out of your vaults!!!! EJECTION A good performance. Unfortunately Alan Davey is singing this song again. Alan is a great bass player and a very friendly person but his singing during this song is absolutely crap! Dave really does it much much better!! ASSAULT & BATTERY A song without highlight GOLDEN VOID One of my all time favorites. A good performance this evening but Canterbury was better. All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best gigs I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it Lets wait what the November tour will bring. I hope it will be: - A couple of new songs - Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba - DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! Any other comments ? cheers Bernhard Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 07:27:24 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:27:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 26 07:21:22 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:21:22 +0100 Subject: lame '80's, etc, etc In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > actually, I suppose I should confess, since this is positively my last > posting on the subject that, and no word of a lie, I have THE most enormous > collection of vinyl, CD's and tapes by.............Bananarama!!!!! > It's a long story......................and, no, I'm not going to tell it > here, that's for sure, so you can rest easy!! Do you still have that Surf/Woodland voice single by Tim Blake, and can we tree a tape for the Blake fans here? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 26 07:24:01 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:24:01 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:36:02 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I've seen plenty of naked women, > but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... > Priorities! :) I've been looking for a new sig file - can I have this one please? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 26 07:28:02 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:28:02 +0100 Subject: Message from Nik Turner In-Reply-To: CCollins54@AOL.COM's message of Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:18:53 EDT Message-ID: > Mighty Thunder Rider Speaks - Re: Hawkwind/Hawkestra > It is very sad to see that this ideal has degenerated to the level of > a cheap soap, full of trivial gossip, bullshit, blatant lies, and very > obvious innuendo. If people cannot say anything positive, honest, and > construtive, I suggest they just clam up, keep their traps shut - > meditate on it, find internal peace - think about it. > This applies to everybody, everybody. > So please let's all work together in a spirit of brotherly (and > sisterly) love. This is completely insulting to androgynous androids. Mike "Equal Opportunities for Androids" Holmes From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 07:47:07 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:47:07 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > dave hall writes: > > > Count me in > > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Z E Itgeist > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 > > Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser > > > > > > I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd > be good to have a list of who to look out for too... Newcastle - faves seem to be upstairs in the Percy Arms (Percy Street, a bit further up from the bus concourse, about 10 mins walk from the show) and closer to take-off "Tilley's" right next to the venue! I shld be there with "friends". f rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 07:53:22 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:53:22 +0100 Subject: british home secretary/cannabis Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Ted Jackson writes: > > > Thank the creator for a touch of sanity! > > Mostly this is so they can legalise prescription cannabis > Note that it's still possibly 2 years and a fine for posesssion and 5 > years and a fine for supply (including passing a joint). Of course they'd > have to really want to get someone to do this, but it is still the law.; > > I'm pretty sure it's a reserved power. We do have our own Drug Czar, but I > expect him to toe the Party line. > > FoFP I want the bugger on prescription! If "schmack-eds" can get meth on 'scrip I could do with some nice home-grown to help me recover from serious hashish addiction!! f rat From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 07:47:14 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:47:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: Naah, Pickin' Up The Pieces was released in 1969 by Poco, written by the splendid Mr Richie Furay, the 2nd best songwriter in Buffalo SPringfield after the godlike Stephen Stills. >>>>> Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Naah, "Pick Up The Pieces" was done by The Average White Band. Poco was a country-rock band, whose bass player Timothy B. Schmitt, went on to join some no-name, backup band for Joe Walsh called The Eagles... Ship From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 07:56:00 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: HW - Social Convenor Message-ID: Right, Edinburgh venue seems to be sorted, still need suggestions for the rest of the tour and attendees. Will e-mail an URl later today for reference. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 07:56:55 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:56:55 -0400 Subject: HW: on the BBC Message-ID: Ditto, here's hoping they spot the conspiracy:-) >>> Subject: Re: HW: on the BBC Moonglum . writes: > This is an idea stolen from the message board on the official Ozrics site. > > If enough people petition them, the BBC might be persuaded to put Hawkwind > on Jools Holland's Later show. It would be a *great* way of publicising > the November tour. > > For those who haven't seen this programme, it is an excellent music show. > A wide variety of bands play live in the studio, in front of an audience, > each band or artist getting to do 2 songs, usually. The musicians are > treated with respect and as far as you can tell, seem to really enjoy being > on the show. > Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ and click on the Feedback link low down > on the left-hand side. If everyone on this list does it, maybe we can make > it happen! Good plan! I've just done that. FoFP From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 08:06:26 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:06:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Atomic Rooster Message-ID: As a card carrying Rooster completist, I would strongly, nay very strongly, suggest avoiding anything called Best Of, Collection, Devils Answer. Thanks to the usual inter band squabbles most Best Ofs are comps of 80s reunion material and dodgy demos. Stick to the original reissues (the Repertoire ones are fairly common and reasonable). If you're not into gruff soul vocals avoid the Chris Farlowe ones, and of course the reverse applies. There's a rather nice ltd edition box set out now on Italian label, Akarma. I've seen it for about 30? in ads, or you can order direct from http://www.akarmarecords.com/ ATOMIC ROOSTER - RESURRECTION - 3CD BOX Label: AKARMA 3 CD Box including: -Atomic Rooster -Death Walks Behind You -In Hearing Of + bonus tracks live in concert, London 1972 + booklet with rare photos, biography & discography Or you can buy the individual CDs. Vincent Cranes widow is working on a comprehensive best of. Fingers crossed, sooner rather than later. >>> K Henderson wrote: > P.S. What Atomic Rooster to get? I've been intending to get something one > of these days, but wasn't sure if a 'best hits' was the way to go or not. > Is there a seminal AR album? _Death Walks Behind You_. There's some other good stuff, especially on _In Hearing Of_, but _Death Walks Behind You_ is seminal. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 08:21:28 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:21:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror Message-ID: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was you I used to buy all my cut out US metal CDs from when I lived in London. It all makes sense now. The joy of the three for a tenner, never released in the UK, dodgy Metal Blade stuff. And King Diamond/Mercyful Fate. You were a bad, bad man. >>>> Subject: Re: Lame 80s pop teen horror ah yes - Basia!!! you should have seen the overstocks lying around for years in the retail trade over that one - you couldn't even give it away at one point ( I know - we tried - in my previous disguise as Mike Lloyd Music, that is!!) Andy G. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Fri Oct 26 08:24:01 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:24:01 +0100 Subject: HW: NME review text. Message-ID: Hi folks, typed out the txt from the NME. have put everything only the hawkwind bit, best line of the blurb not included is The auditorium itself is so full of herbal fumes you can bearly make out the no smoking signs" HEHE. Anyhow onto the review. " Hawkwind emerge in party mood. Having waited 25years to gain acknowledgement as the gnarled overlords of Brit-psych, there seems to be little point in spoiling things now. The punk -acid blues begin. Hours pass. It becomes clear that not only were Hawkwind building sonic temples when Ian Astbury was busying himself with sandcastles, but that everyone from Mogwai to Jason Pierce( spiritualized) to The Music owes these pangenerational wastrels a favour, whether they admit it or not. "see ya in another 25years," growls Dave Brock at the close of a murderous final 'hashish'. The psych wars will rumble on, but tonight the Hawks won out." It'll do for now, but hopefully the reviews will be awesome from the tour, certainly I loved the RFH show... Regards iain From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Oct 26 08:44:37 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:44:37 -0400 Subject: HW tour - social convenor Message-ID: Will update the following as and when you get off your lazy butts. http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Oct 26 11:12:11 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:12:11 -0500 Subject: NIK: Re: Message from Nik Turner In-Reply-To: <00d101c15dd0$06c8fae0$baa5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Dan Witt wrote: :Subject: NIK: Re: Message from Nik Turner : :What's up? Is this about the few cheap shots here? I don't remember seeing :anything real negative about the event. It seemed like a lot people thought :it turned out well. : :If NIK is reading, don't worry about nay sayers. You will always have :people that appreciate what you do, and those that don't(that goes for :everybody). : :That being said, did anybody see Nik in Chicago last night? How was it? I saw him (and harvey, and mr. quimby's beard). jj kelly's is a weird venue to be at, but ok. Nik played watching the grass grow, orgone accumulator, space invaders, children of the sun, did a poem by calvert (stonehenge something), and a jazzy number which I know, but don't remember the name of. harvey did mutation zone and jammed with Nik a bit. Mr Quimby's Beard played a bunch of stuff I liked, but don't know the name of (sorry.) Arin (who went more to see mr. quimby's beard than Nik ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Oct 26 11:19:36 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Hey,eddie-not that one: try they have a pretty good hawk selection. tim Jobson, Eddie wrote: > > I now have a copy of the RFH gig and can give my belated 'lightweight' > comments as I did not actually attend in person. > > I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live > song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme > Shelter.) Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden > Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing > lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. > > After looking through Bernhard's track listings for recorded gigs, noticed > that Kings of Speed didn't feature live until 1989! So where did that > instrumental version on the Zoo EP come from. Was it indeed the backing > track for the single? Was Kings of Speed any good on that tour? Who did the > vocals and if good does anyone have a good gig from that tour featuring it > to trade, either CD-R or cassette? > > Thanks for Colin for the RFH, Andy Gee for the latest batch of vinyl to > digital UPGRADES and Z E Itgeist for the Calvert stuff. > > I'm still after the following on CD if anyone can help: > Calvert Hype, HW ASAM, PXR5, HL 25 Years On, Sonic Attack, Chronicle Black > Sword, Xenon Codex. > > Did nothing ever materialise from that Top Ten footage of the Hawklords? I > sent an email to Kris as recommended by Steve Litchfield but got no > response. Are the band still chasing it or have they dropped it? > > Thanks, > > Eddie Jobson (NOT THE FAMOUS ONE EVERYONE KEEPS ASKING ME IF I AM!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jobson, Eddie > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 22/10/01 05:09 > Subject: Re: RFH...a short review > > Does anyone have a CD-R copy to trade? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Pospiech > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 20/10/01 11:40 > Subject: HW: RFH...a short review > > Hi folks > > After listening 4 times to this gig I thought it is time for a short > review > > At the beginning I'd like to thank Colin again for his excellent work. > > Lets start with the track-listing: > > lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / new jerusalem / > angels > of death / sonic attack / watcher / motorway city / hurry on sundown / > curse of man / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / > ejection > / assault & battery / golden void > > > There are 2 real surprizes. They are: > - New Jerusalem > - Watcher > > > OK, here we go > > LIGHTHOUSE > Unfortunately the song is not complete on the CD-R. Not a bad version > but > no highlights > > LEVITATION > Superb version. One of the best songs from this gig. Very interesting > middle part > > SPIRAL GALAXY > A short version without highlights > > MOONGLUM > Same here. No highlights > > NEW JERUSALEM > The 1st surprize. The last time this song was performed by Hawkwind was > in > 1979. Now here it is again after 22 years. As far as I know only Dave > and > Tim were on stage during this song. Phantastic synths. Great > performance! > > ANGELS OF DEATH > Interesting song (12 minutes) with an interesting middle part. > I like it > > SONIC ATTACK > I never liked this song. But here it is a special one. Mike Moorcock is > speaking the words over phoneline from Texas. It ends in an instrumental > > WATCHER > The 2nd surprize. And the 1st highlight. Unfortunately to short. > Great bass rhythm, great guitar by Huw. Alan sings like Lemmy. > Please HAWKWIND, play it again during the November tour!!! > > MOTORWAY CITY > The 2nd highlight and the best song this evening for me. Again superb > guitar playing by Huw > > HURRY ON SUNDOWN > Great song without highlights. I like it though > > DAMNED BY THE CURSE OF MAN > Again a song spoken by Mike Moorcock over the phone. Nothing special > here. > The last time this song was performed was in 1991 by Harvey during the > European HAWKWIND tour (without Dave) > > HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) > The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the last > couple > of years. The best of this song is the middle part. > This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it > in > March 1978 during the USA tour. > Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up > from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. > I think its time to stop playing it. > Please Dave, dig out some better ones out of your vaults!!!! > > EJECTION > A good performance. Unfortunately Alan Davey is singing this song again. > Alan is a great bass player and a very friendly person but his singing > during this song is absolutely crap! Dave really does it much much > better!! > > ASSAULT & BATTERY > A song without highlight > > GOLDEN VOID > One of my all time favorites. A good performance this evening but > Canterbury was better. > > > All in all a very good gig. Not as good as CANTERBURY (one of the best > gigs > I have ever heard from HAWKWIND) but I like it > > Lets wait what the November tour will bring. > I hope it will be: > > - A couple of new songs > - Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba > - DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! > > Any other comments ? > > > cheers > Bernhard > Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this > message > is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it > from > your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. > Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from > your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 26 12:19:38 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:19:38 -0400 Subject: (OFF) when the world is .... Message-ID: > A MONSTER! > >who did that song- I liked it Isn't that the Smashing Pumpkins' "Bullet with butterfly wings"? I think that's what it is. Hmm. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 26 12:19:41 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:19:41 -0400 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: >Don't forget that most of those jazz artists have been around for much >longer than most rock artists ... (which is the same reason why >the "average life expectancy of jazz artists is twice that of rock artists" >statistic is completely bogus - the only rock artists who are dead so far >are the ones who died young, because the old ones haven't gotten old enough >to die of old age yet, so OF COURSE the average age at death is going to be >very low for rock musicians!) *LOL* Y'know, they should do similar statistics for boybands. Imagine the life expectancy! Yay! :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM Fri Oct 26 12:20:23 2001 From: bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:20:23 -0500 Subject: (OFF) when the world is .... In-Reply-To: <200110261619.MAA08253@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: No, I think that's "The world is a vampire..." :) At 12:19 10/26/01 -0400, you wrote: > > A MONSTER! > > > >who did that song- I liked it > >Isn't that the Smashing Pumpkins' "Bullet with butterfly wings"? I think >that's what it is. Hmm. >Alex. From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Fri Oct 26 12:58:06 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:58:06 -0500 Subject: (OFF) when the world is .... Message-ID: No, that would be R.E.M. with "Can't Get There From Here" John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > > A MONSTER! > > > >who did that song- I liked it > > Isn't that the Smashing Pumpkins' "Bullet with butterfly wings"? I think > that's what it is. Hmm. > > > > Alex. > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 13:00:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:00:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Damned (again) In-Reply-To: <3BD9269E.DFA781F7@aol.com> Message-ID: In message <3BD9269E.DFA781F7 at aol.com>, iain ferguson writes >I did however see that the Damned are going back out on tour.. And I can >confirm that the new album is a corker. The tour just before its release was >terrific and I heartily recommend it. >Cant wait till the 20th they are playing the Cheese & Grain in Frome Iain- do you know where I can find a copy of the tour dates? Haven't seen anything advertised, anxious to see them- haven't seen the Damned live since the (ahem) "farewell gig" at Brixton in '89. What a night that was. I used to think it was a bit sad that thereafter they wouldn't let it lie, but now with the rip-roaring new album my interest is fully engaged again. cheers -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 13:03:37 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:03:37 +0100 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jobson, Eddie writes >I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live >song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme >Shelter.) Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden >Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing >lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. I seem to be in a minority, judging by this and other comments, but I think Alan does a pretty passable job of singing Ejection, in fact at Canterbury I thought his vocals on this track were outstanding. Think he makes a decent fist of Damnation Alley (e.g. Palace Springs version) too. -- Nick Medford From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 13:14:28 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:14:28 +0100 Subject: HW:Tour tickets Message-ID: Hi all - since Ticketweb told me they are not dealing with tickets for the Birmingham date, I finally got through on the phone to Birmingham Sanctuary today to get my tour tickets and was told I'd have to go to the venue itself and pay in cash. Huh? This is OK for those of us who live nearby but what about everyone else? Needless to say, it looks like chaos is present....anyone else had this problem? Is their an agency dealing with this date? Please let me know! Thanks R From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Oct 26 13:38:50 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:38:50 +0100 Subject: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Message from Nik Turner > >If people cannot say anything positive, honest, and construtive, I > >suggest they just clam up, keep their traps shut - meditate on it, find > >internal peace - think about it. > > > >This applies to everybody, everybody. > > Guess we won't be hearing much from Nik then? Mmmmmmmm, Silence Is Golden. Oh B*gger, wrong chat list. Tone The Hub. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 26 13:55:56 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:55:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in Blastitude In-Reply-To: <200109121653.f8CGrAw24987@mail.acmenet.net>; from js3619@ACMENET.NET on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:53:48PM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:53:48PM +0000, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > http://www.blastitude.com/9/pg3.htm It's an interesting article and a lot better expressed than much music press stuff. I just wish the guy wasn't showing signs of being stuck in the, um, early 80s, give him credit. I love T&M but I know it's not the heaviest first side of an LP ever because you can get Kyuss's _Blues For The Red Sun_ on LP at Amazon still, to name but one. Or indeed there's Sabbath's _Sabotage_. I don't think T&M would be half as good if it was havy (tm), it's the lithe swing of it that gives its power. He also gets no points for not spotting the change of words between the versions of `Career of Evil'. Or indeed reading what the difference is in the liner notes (why _do_ so few music journos ever take this sneaky short-cut to knowing about the band of whom they write? Is it thought to be cheating or something?). But it's a good review and says the right words to make people know why they're good. Which is I guess what's important. Did I read too much about Anglo-Saxon names for prehistoric barrows today maybe? Ah hang on, I feel sure there was coffee involved at some point today, that must be it. > from aug. sept. 2001...and clicking to look at the next page talks about Nik > Turner (incidentally) and Bones of Elvis on the Radio. That article has a theory I can fully get behind. Except that it could apply to stereos too, or anything to which you don't perform that basic ritual of just stopping what you're doing and listening. It's important to do that every now and then. Not everything should have to be able to get your attention, some things deserve to have it before they start. _Zeit_ by Tangerine Dream is one of these. You can only actually hear it if you hear all of it, otherwise minutes of it flow past you. I do apologise for this ramble, I must have seriously low caffeine tolerance today. Still, maybe it turned up in time to save Mike C. from whatever is today ailing him? Yours, Jon ObCD: Kyuss, _Blues for the Red Sun_ -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 26 14:39:35 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:39:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: so, what the heck is the Poco track I'm thinking of???? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shipley" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > Naah, "Pick Up The Pieces" was done by The Average White Band. Poco was a > country-rock band, whose bass player Timothy B. Schmitt, went on to join > some no-name, backup band for Joe Walsh called The Eagles... > > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:04 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > > > > yeh - Poco - spot on - only good one they ever did. > > Andy Garibaldi > > P.S. > > new Krom-Lek CD ("Collective Conscious") is best yet - a 'must' for > > Gong/space-rock fans. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "K Henderson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 3:12 PM > > Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > > > > > Hey Folks... > > > > > > I think tonight the Lemster is to make some sort of appearance > > on the Drew > > > Carey Show (which otherwise I never watch). > > > > > > And coincidentally, I was watching a rerun of last Tuesday's > > Conan O'Brian > > > show, and they used 'Ace of Spades' in a skit. Actually, I've seen them > > use > > > Motorhead before in a skit - can't remember if it was AoS that > > time also? > > > Anyway, whenever they need angry rock music backing for a skit that is > > > portraying mock violence, they seem to head Lemmy's way. The > > chief editor > > > from The Onion was also on that show last night...I thought their first > > > issue following the Towers was the only thing in the media that made any > > > damn sense the last month. I felt better after reading through > > that! Of > > > course, if they were on TV like Bill Maher, they would have been banned > > > forever. I still don't understand what was even remotely 'offensive' > > about > > > what Maher said....we need a war on political correctness as much as > > > terrorism it seems. > > > > > > Well, dunno how I got so off-topic...I didn't get enough sleep > > last night. > > > > > > Gotta go pick up the pizzas (anybody remember that song? Poco?)... > > > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Oct 26 14:43:05 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:43:05 +0100 Subject: Off: MQB Message-ID: nice to hear the opposite point of view - and double to the Strange Daze goers - have fun and party hard. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Off: MQB > (realizing that this wasn't addressed to me, I'm still compelled to reply > and offer up my unsolicited uninformed opinion) > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:14:17 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI > wrote: > >I just LOVE this album!!! > >Face it, psych fusion is not your thang,is it!!! > > In my case (sadly), that's mostly true. Gong excepted, of course! ............ Chas > Smith, will be at Strange Daze in Einstein's Secret Orchestra ... sadly yet > another band that doesn't quite float my boat ... sorry to be so negative!) > rather than Fearless Iranians From Hell, but that's splitting hairs. > > I'll still have to listen to some of the stuff on their website ... and I'm > sure I'd still really enjoy their set if I was going to be at Strange Daze > this weekend. But I'm not :^(. Have fun, everyone who is!!! > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Oct 26 14:55:24 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:55:24 -0400 Subject: HW:RFH...a short review Message-ID: Eddie wrote: > >I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live >song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme >Shelter.) Was it not Richard who sang Gimme Shelter? at least on the single and 'It is the Business...' Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Fri Oct 26 15:00:09 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:00:09 -0700 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: > I've seen plenty of naked women, > but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... > Priorities! :) Just as long as they're not naked..... scorch From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 16:02:18 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:02:18 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I'll be at Glasgow and Edinburgh - plenty of pubs near the Garage. The Griffin might be best. Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 25 October 2001 12:14 Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser >dave hall writes: > >> Count me in >> >> Dave >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Z E Itgeist >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 >> Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser >> >> >> >As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives >> >along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and greet. >> > >> >Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. > >Count me in. Can we make the Edinburgh Venue "The Jolly Judge" please, >as I've already told several people that that's the place. > >I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd >be good to have a list of who to look out for too... > >cheers > >FoFP > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 26 15:17:04 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:17:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:47:14 -0400, Z E Itgeist wrote: >Naah, Pickin' Up The Pieces was released in 1969 by Poco, written by the >splendid Mr Richie Furay, the 2nd best songwriter in Buffalo SPringfield >after the godlike Stephen Stills. ?!?!?!!! Is that a troll, or sarcasm? ;^) (I'll guess the latter, given the post below that it's in response to ... BTW for the record, the second-best songwriter in Buffalo Springfield was Bruce Palmer - his post-Springfield solo album is just a hair shy of Skip Spence's 'Oar' in out-there semi-countrified utter weirdness - NOT after Stills, Furay, Messina, or Dewey Martin!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >>>>>> >Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > >Naah, "Pick Up The Pieces" was done by The Average White Band. Poco was a >country-rock band, whose bass player Timothy B. Schmitt, went on to join >some no-name, backup band for Joe Walsh called The Eagles... > >Ship From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 16:05:23 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:05:23 +0100 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: Right make it the Griffin in Glasgow. Anyone need directions contact me off-list. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 26 October 2001 00:34 Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser >I'll be leafleting Glasgow and Edinburgh if I can find a dirty >raincoat....... >but seriously, I will do each, so if any pub meeting is on the cards, fer >chrissakes tell me exactly where it is. >Andy G (foreigner) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "M Holmes" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:12 PM >Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > > >> dave hall writes: >> >> > Count me in >> > >> > Dave >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Z E Itgeist >> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> > Date: 24 October 2001 11:32 >> > Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser >> > >> > >> > >As its getting close to the event, what about organising mini Beehives >> > >along the tour route so that travelling fans know where to meet and >greet. >> > > >> > >Happy to co-ordinate and put up a web page with details etc. >> >> Count me in. Can we make the Edinburgh Venue "The Jolly Judge" please, >> as I've already told several people that that's the place. >> >> I'll be at: Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. It'd >> be good to have a list of who to look out for too... >> >> cheers >> >> FoFP > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Oct 26 15:51:01 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:51:01 -0400 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:38:28 -0400, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live >song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being >Gimme Shelter.) As has already been said, "Gimme Shelter" was Samantha Fox on the single, and Richard Chadwick on the album (one of several reasons I like to think of IitBotFtbD as a "Richard Chadwick solo album backed by Hawkwind" in the same way that 'Church of Hawkwind' is a "Dave Brock solo album backed by Hawkwind"). >Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden >Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing >lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. Unfortunately, with Ron no longer in the band, I think they need to re- evaluate doing very many Calvert songs - no one else who's attempted it (Dave, Nik, Alan, Harvey, Bridget ... I think that's all? [I won't count capt. Rizz at SD98]) can sing them as well as him. Although, that being said, I think Alan does a good job on "Damnation Alley" and "Hassan i Sahba" (but NOT "Ejection"), Dave is great with "The Right Stuff" (he does it better than he does "Ejection" IMO), Nik has practically made "Orgone Accumulator" his own (and does "Ejection" better than Dave), and hearing Bridget sing "Reefer Madness" in 1990 was a real treat! >-----Original Message----- >From: Bernhard Pospiech >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Sent: 20/10/01 11:40 >Subject: HW: RFH...a short review > >HASSAN I SAHBA (SPACE IS THEIR) >The worst song of this evening. Performed like performed in the last >couple of years. The best of this song is the middle part. >This song was performed for the 1st time in 1976. HW stopped playing it >in March 1978 during the USA tour. >Than again the band started to perform Hassan in July 1986 (Exeter). Up >from this date this song was performed EVERY YEAR. >I think its time to stop playing it. >Please Dave, dig out some better ones out of your vaults!!!! I would agree with this (the song has DEFINITELY been played-out by HW over the last 15 years), except for one very important factor: Simon House. IF he can play the same sort of blistering violin leads that he did on this song in 77/78 (especially once it became the set opener), then it should be kept on the setlist IMO. However, if Simon's presence *really* didn't add anything to it this time around, then the song should be retired. >EJECTION >A good performance. Unfortunately Alan Davey is singing this song again. >Alan is a great bass player and a very friendly person but his singing >during this song is absolutely crap! Dave really does it much much >better!! Agreed. See my earlier statement ... >GOLDEN VOID >One of my all time favorites. A good performance this evening but >Canterbury was better. "Golden Void" is just a great song to jam on, and fits really well with Dave's guitar style. A simple composition (like all of Brock's), but one that works exceptionally well. When I briefly put a Hawkwind tribute band together, this was the one song on which the rehearsal jams sounded really amazing. No problem by me if they keep this one in the set forever ... >Lets wait what the November tour will bring. >I hope it will be: > >- A couple of new songs Yes (and see below) ... >- Each gig WITHOUT Hassan I Sahba Maybe, see above ... >- DAMNATION ALLEY back in the set..... PLEEEEEEASE Dave!!!! YES! ESPECIALLY with Simon House back in the band to play the midsection that HE WROTE! Without Simon in the band, they sort of "cheated" on that part (listen to 'Palace Springs' to see what I mean) ... they need Simon to restore its' majestic melodic glory. >Any other comments ? ... continuing with that thought, I'll throw out my idea for what could make the next Hawkwind studio album very special, and potentially their best in decades: Brock/House songwriting collaboration! We need songs that combine Dave's crunchy riffs (or, these days, sensitive musings ala "Love in Space" and "Clouded Vision") with Simon's strong melodic sense. I fear that songs written solely by one or the other will exhibit the individual author's strength, but won't have the overall excellence that the collaborations could potentially have. Anyone agree/disagree with this? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Fri Oct 26 15:56:31 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:56:31 +0400 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: > As has already been said, "Gimme Shelter" was Samantha Fox on the single, > and Richard Chadwick on the album (one of several reasons I like to think > of IitBotFtbD as a "Richard Chadwick solo album backed by Hawkwind" in the > same way that 'Church of Hawkwind' is a "Dave Brock solo album backed by > Hawkwind"). I can agree. > >Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden > >Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing > >lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. Alan is very good. > Unfortunately, with Ron no longer in the band, I think they need to re- > evaluate doing very many Calvert songs - no one else who's attempted it > (Dave, Nik, Alan, Harvey, Bridget ... I think that's all? [I won't count > capt. Rizz at SD98]) can sing them as well as him. Although, that being > said, I think Alan does a good job on "Damnation Alley" and "Hassan i > Sahba" (but NOT "Ejection"), Dave is great with "The Right Stuff" (he does > it better than he does "Ejection" IMO), Nik has practically made "Orgone > Accumulator" his own (and does "Ejection" better than Dave), and hearing Nik can't sing since early 80's... Alan is best for Hassan I Sahba. Ron is best for almost all other Calvert songs he sang. > Bridget sing "Reefer Madness" in 1990 was a real treat! Great. Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Fri Oct 26 16:02:05 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:02:05 +0400 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: > (Dave, Nik, Alan, Harvey, Bridget ... I think that's all? [I won't count Forgot to mention that I think Dave is best for spirit of the age (Live 79 version is my favourite). Alisa From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 17:09:18 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:09:18 +0100 Subject: HW tour - social convenor Message-ID: Looks like Mike Holmes is drinking at most of them!! I think the Griffin (where's that?) is the Glasgow pub venue and I hope to be there as well. Also at Newcastle, probably. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Z E Itgeist To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:44 PM Subject: HW tour - social convenor > Will update the following as and when you get off your lazy butts. > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 17:12:49 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Krishne) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:12:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Owl and the Pussycat Message-ID: Can anyone (Capt. Black?) tell me the name of the new song played on the Spring tour? The one that was loosely based on Edward Lear's "Owl and the Pussycat". I guess now that Ron has departed we're unlikely to hear it again. -- Nick Medford From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Fri Oct 26 17:36:38 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:36:38 +0100 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Alisa said > Forgot to mention that I think Dave is best for spirit of the age (Live 79 > version is my favourite). after calvert, ron tree did the next best vocal take of Spirit of the Age. I agree Brocks vocals on the live 79 version are really good but i think he sang it live at canterbury or RFH (sorry my memory aint to good!) and it sounded terrible. also i would just like to add that seeing that Ron's now left i suppose Flying Doctor will not be sang again live. Which is a shame cos that was one of the highlights of the Xmas gig at the astoria colm colm From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Fri Oct 26 18:19:37 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:19:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV In-Reply-To: <200110261917.PAA21877@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I stand corrected! I'm not a Poco fan at all, and the only song that I knew by that name was the one by AWB. Didn't know about the album by the almost same name... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:17 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:47:14 -0400, Z E Itgeist > wrote: > >Naah, Pickin' Up The Pieces was released in 1969 by Poco, written by the > >splendid Mr Richie Furay, the 2nd best songwriter in Buffalo SPringfield > >after the godlike Stephen Stills. > > ?!?!?!!! > > Is that a troll, or sarcasm? ;^) > > (I'll guess the latter, given the post below that it's in response to ... > BTW for the record, the second-best songwriter in Buffalo Springfield was > Bruce Palmer - his post-Springfield solo album is just a hair shy of Skip > Spence's 'Oar' in out-there semi-countrified utter weirdness - NOT after > Stills, Furay, Messina, or Dewey Martin!) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > > >>>>>> > >Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy on US network TV > > > >Naah, "Pick Up The Pieces" was done by The Average White Band. Poco was a > >country-rock band, whose bass player Timothy B. Schmitt, went on to join > >some no-name, backup band for Joe Walsh called The Eagles... > > > >Ship > From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 26 19:43:08 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:43:08 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size In-Reply-To: <200110261124.MAA00484@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 12.24 +0100 01-10-26, M Holmes wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson writes: >> I've seen plenty of naked women, >> but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... >> Priorities! :) > >I've been looking for a new sig file - can I have this one please? Off you you with it, then :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 26 19:47:51 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:47:51 +0100 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size In-Reply-To: <200110261902.f9QJ2St11516@paw.te-cats.com> Message-ID: At 12.00 -0700 01-10-26, John H. McCartney wrote: > > I've seen plenty of naked women, >> but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... > > Priorities! :) > >Just as long as they're not naked..... Damn! My eyes might burn before my ears otherwise! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Oct 26 19:46:55 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:46:55 +0100 Subject: HW:RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <20011026185200.EYFF16035.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: At 14.55 -0400 01-10-26, Mick Crook wrote: >Eddie wrote: > >I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live >>song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme >>Shelter.) > >Was it not Richard who sang Gimme Shelter? >at least on the single and 'It is the Business...' That's what I was thinking. Besides, Alan sings all the tracks from _Captured Rotation_ better than Ron did :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Gov't Mule, _The Deep End Vol. 1_, "Sin's a Good Man's Brother". -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 27 02:29:36 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 06:29:36 +0000 Subject: HW: on the BBC Message-ID: I've done it too, would be great to see Jools tinckling the ivories along to "Assault and battery / the golden void" >From: Z E Itgeist >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW: on the BBC >Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:56:55 -0400 > >Ditto, here's hoping they spot the conspiracy:-) > > > >>> > >Subject: Re: HW: on the BBC > >Moonglum . writes: > > > This is an idea stolen from the message board on the official Ozrics >site. > > > > If enough people petition them, the BBC might be persuaded to put >Hawkwind > > on Jools Holland's Later show. It would be a *great* way of publicising > > the November tour. > > > > For those who haven't seen this programme, it is an excellent music >show. > > A wide variety of bands play live in the studio, in front of an >audience, > > each band or artist getting to do 2 songs, usually. The musicians are > > treated with respect and as far as you can tell, seem to really enjoy >being > > on the show. > > > Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ and click on the Feedback link low >down > > on the left-hand side. If everyone on this list does it, maybe we can >make > > it happen! > >Good plan! I've just done that. > >FoFP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From boydan at BTCONNECT.COM Sat Oct 27 16:15:58 2001 From: boydan at BTCONNECT.COM (dan) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:15:58 +0100 Subject: nik video trades Message-ID: Hi i'm looking to trade nik vids, i have the nikestra/icu 21/10/01 sets and some other stuff... http://come.to/ukbears after october 31st please use the following email address to contact me Danny at ukbears.freeserve.co.uk From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Oct 27 08:13:17 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:13:17 +0100 Subject: HW: ICU Maximum Effect Message-ID: Hi, Did ICU's Maximum Effect LP ever make it onto CD? I've always thought it the finest of them all and only have a very knackered old tape of it. Assuming the answer is "no", am I right in thinking that all the ICU back catalogue is available on the Net free of charge? If it's MP3 format then that's no use to me, in which case, is there any kind soul out there willing to cut me a standard CD of the LP which all track in their original order. I can exchange for a copy of Virgin's worst ever selling video - ICU - Paint Your Windows White, Cadillac, Egg etc. Or a 2 hour tape of ICU plus Bob at Dingwalls March 85. Any takers? Jez From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Sun Oct 28 05:38:34 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:38:34 -0500 Subject: HW: ICU Maximum Effect Message-ID: I think the CD of Max Effect was on sale at the astoria on sunday for a tenner try http://doremi.co.uk/icu/ for ICU s homepages or mail Trev on judge48 at hotmail.com - I'm sure He would be able to sort you Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 28 09:19:03 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:19:03 +0000 Subject: NIK: Re: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: Arin Komins wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Dan Witt wrote: > > :Subject: NIK: Re: Message from Nik Turner > : > :What's up? Is this about the few cheap shots here? I don't remember seeing > :anything real negative about the event. It seemed like a lot people thought > :it turned out well. > : > :If NIK is reading, don't worry about nay sayers. You will always have > :people that appreciate what you do, and those that don't(that goes for > :everybody). > : > :That being said, did anybody see Nik in Chicago last night? How was it? > > I saw him (and harvey, and mr. quimby's beard). > > jj kelly's is a weird venue to be at, but ok. > Hey - bin out of hawkspace for sooo long - at last!!!Words of lurv & syrup I've bin searching out. I luv uncie Nik too!! f rat!! From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Oct 28 09:17:24 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx / Val Vx) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:17:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS Something SPOOKY is going on at Mission Control: Visit the updates page for the latest information: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm We have noticed many questions on these lists that could be answered by visiting the Mission Control site at www.hawkwind.org.uk. Things such as Lyrics, Core Album info, Band member profiles and the like are all up on the site. . . . . . However, to make things easier, the whole Mission Control site is under heavy redesign at the moment, and on relaunch will include many more pages, better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, e-mail announcement facility, java chat facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, upgraded guestbook, a text only option (hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers, Desktop themes and browser skins, and loads of updates and fixes for those visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections. Our test pilots are currently hard at work checking the new layouts, and announcements will be made over the next few Months. The site will still work on hawkwind.org.uk, but will be hosted on our new www.hawkwind.info domain. Have a good Halloween ! Rx&Vx MESSAGE ENDS++ From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 28 09:23:17 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:23:17 +0000 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size Message-ID: "John H. McCartney" wrote: > > I've seen plenty of naked women, > > but I've never seen four Hawkwind bass players on stage at once .... > > Priorities! :) > > Just as long as they're not naked..... > > scorch Funny. I'd heard Lemmy was a naturist, (or was gthat a misspelt rumour?) f rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 28 09:34:51 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:34:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Rik Rx / Val Vx wrote: > ++STAR WARRIORS > > Something SPOOKY is going on at Mission Control: > > Visit the updates page for the latest information: > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > oops - thort i'd dropped somefink!! f. rat From nycademon at HOME.COM Sun Oct 28 12:57:33 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:57:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: <200110281417.JAA27667@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The site definitely gets my vote for "most gratuitous use of javascript" :-P. Rik, I liked the heroic attempt to prevent people from viewing the source code ("Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" indeed!), but you might have better luck with server side scripting. In addition to the "text only" option, how about a "no bells and whistles" option, or at least a good site map, to facilitate retrieving the actual content you've worked hard to provide? All IMHO, of course. Guido obWEBdesignBOOK: _Creating Killer Web Sites_ by David Siegel -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rik Rx / Val Vx Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:17 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control: New Orders ++STAR WARRIORS Something SPOOKY is going on at Mission Control: Visit the updates page for the latest information: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm We have noticed many questions on these lists that could be answered by visiting the Mission Control site at www.hawkwind.org.uk. Things such as Lyrics, Core Album info, Band member profiles and the like are all up on the site. . . . . . However, to make things easier, the whole Mission Control site is under heavy redesign at the moment, and on relaunch will include many more pages, better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, e-mail announcement facility, java chat facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, upgraded guestbook, a text only option (hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers, Desktop themes and browser skins, and loads of updates and fixes for those visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections. Our test pilots are currently hard at work checking the new layouts, and announcements will be made over the next few Months. The site will still work on hawkwind.org.uk, but will be hosted on our new www.hawkwind.info domain. Have a good Halloween ! Rx&Vx MESSAGE ENDS++ From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 28 13:15:16 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:15:16 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze 2001 Festival Message-ID: I just got back from the Strange Daze festival. I'm pooped and need a nap but wanted to post some initial comments and then others can follow up. In short... it was a FANTASTIC weekend of music! At first I was bummed that it wasn't going to be outdoors as usual but the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland proved to be a great venue with a full bar and kitchen. The music was vitually NON-STOP with bands either in the smaller tavern or the larger concert styled ballroom. 15 bands total. Among the highlights... Alien Planetscapes blew the audience clean away. The last time I saw them was at Quarkstock in 2000 and at that time they were doing a 2-piece electronic thing. But the full rockin' AP is back and better than ever. Heavy powerful space rock with 2 guitars, bass, drums, Dr Synth, and Carl Howard (Born to Go)joined in later to add extra swirly sounds. Nik played a great set that mixed Hawkwind and ICU tunes, probably similar to what he'd done the previous Sunday. Jim Collins and his son handled guitar and keyboards (not sure who the others were) and Harvey joined later. Heavy Liquid is a stoner rock and roll band from New Jersey that played a rousing set of wah'd metallic psych rock. I was excited that they would be playing and they didn't disappoint. JFK Jr Royal Airforce was another band I was fired up to see live and they delivered a full set of acid garage rock. There's been a lot of Mr Quimby's Beard discussion here lately and I've got to tell you these guys blew the crowd away. Looong songs whose space groove you could just settle into. They did some impressive new material that has me drooling for a new album. Nik and Harvey joined them at the end for the Quimby song Bringin Up The Acid and finished with a rousing version of 7x7. Sadly, Jim Lascko says the great crowd they had Friday night wasn't matched on Saturday which makes things financially difficult. A bit of a pisser considering that all (or certainly most) of those who came Friday were probably Cleveland residents who came because of Nik and didn't come back Saturday for more great bands. The endless dilemma of how the hell do you get people to get off their asses and come out to support this stuff. It's right there in their own town! Sigh... I've got loads of pictures. Later on I stick them up in a private directory at the Aural Innovations site and post a URL for everyone to go check them out. Jerry Kranitz From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Oct 28 13:27:14 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:27:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Hmmmm.... it seems in your haste to criticize, you didn't actually bother to read the content of the mail.... Please note the following extracts: "a text only option" / "better navigation" etc. The *whole point* of the mail was to inform people that the things you kindly noted were already being addressed. Thanx anyhow. The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's own navigation, and yes, ssi's would be a better way to do stuff, and you'll notice that as hawkwind.info develops, we are already beginning to do just that. However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by intention to fit an exacting brief. Oh ya, thanx 4 the book ref but there are also *far* better books on webdesign that I use when lecturing on the subject to great effect. IMHO, of course. Rx On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:57:33 -0700, Guido N. Vacano wrote: >The site definitely gets my vote for "most gratuitous use of javascript" >:-P. Rik, I liked the heroic attempt to prevent people from viewing the >source code ("Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" indeed!), but you >might have better luck with server side scripting. In addition to the "text >only" option, how about a "no bells and whistles" option, or at least a good site map, to facilitate retrieving the actual content you've worked hard to provide? > >All IMHO, of course. > >Guido >However, to make things easier, the whole Mission Control site is under >heavy redesign at the moment, and on relaunch will include many more pages, >better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio >and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, e-mail announcement >facility, java chat facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, upgraded >guestbook, a text only option (hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers, >Desktop themes and browser skins, and loads of updates and fixes for those >visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections. Our test >pilots are currently hard at work checking the new layouts, and >announcements will be made over the next few Months. The site will still >work on hawkwind.org.uk, but will be hosted on our new www.hawkwind.info >domain. > >Have a good Halloween ! > >Rx&Vx > >MESSAGE ENDS++ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 28 14:37:36 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:37:36 -0600 Subject: Strange Daze 2001 Festival In-Reply-To: <200110281815.NAA28283@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: <>jk No wayyyyyyy get outta town! Jim Collins "PLAYED" the guitar!!!!!!! I would have risked sitting next to Bin Ladin on a plane for this!!! or did he HANDLE (as in fingerprints)???? and listen- did NOT mean to be 'mean' about MQB yack, I thought my metallic advice was a gift....not a waterballoon.... anyway Jim??? guitar??? no sh*t???? Mike From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Oct 28 14:02:35 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:02:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Rix, Did the band give any reason for the absence of Graham Coxon from the RFH gig?? I was just wandering as it said on the websote that he was billed to play. btw the web sites excellent! many thanks Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > Hmmmm.... it seems in your haste to criticize, you didn't actually bother to > read the content of the mail.... > > Please note the following extracts: "a text only option" / "better > navigation" etc. The *whole point* of the mail was to inform people that the > things you kindly noted were already being addressed. Thanx anyhow. > > The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's own > navigation, and yes, ssi's would be a better way to do stuff, and you'll > notice that as hawkwind.info develops, we are already beginning to do just > that. However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by > intention to fit an exacting brief. > > Oh ya, thanx 4 the book ref but there are also *far* better books on > webdesign that I use when lecturing on the subject to great effect. > IMHO, of course. > > Rx > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:57:33 -0700, Guido N. Vacano > wrote: > > >The site definitely gets my vote for "most gratuitous use of javascript" > >:-P. Rik, I liked the heroic attempt to prevent people from viewing the > >source code ("Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" indeed!), but you > >might have better luck with server side scripting. In addition to the "text > >only" option, how about a "no bells and whistles" option, or at least a > good site map, to facilitate retrieving the actual content you've worked > hard to provide? > > > >All IMHO, of course. > > > >Guido > > > >However, to make things easier, the whole Mission Control site is under > >heavy redesign at the moment, and on relaunch will include many more pages, > >better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio > >and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, e-mail > announcement > >facility, java chat facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, upgraded > >guestbook, a text only option (hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers, > >Desktop themes and browser skins, and loads of updates and fixes for those > >visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections. Our test > >pilots are currently hard at work checking the new layouts, and > >announcements will be made over the next few Months. The site will still > >work on hawkwind.org.uk, but will be hosted on our new www.hawkwind.info > >domain. > > > >Have a good Halloween ! > > > >Rx&Vx > > > >MESSAGE ENDS++ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Oct 28 13:51:53 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:51:53 -0500 Subject: HW: NIK: ICU Maximum Effect Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 05:38:34 -0500, Dave Briggs wrote: >I think the CD of Max Effect was on sale at the astoria on sunday for a >tenner Yes, I believe it was reissued *just in time* for the show. >try http://doremi.co.uk/icu/ for ICU s homepages The album should be available as free MP3 downloads there ... >or mail Trev on judge48 at hotmail.com - I'm sure He would be able to sort you His website is: http://www.realfestivalmusic.co.uk which has full info on the new 'Maximum Effect' CD reissue, although the site appears to be down at the moment. Trev's initial posting on the CD's availability can be found in the boc-l archives: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110A&L=BOC-L&P=R6307 About TIME the album's been reissued. Truly a brilliant piece of work (even if a wee bit too clean and "overproduced", but I can easily forgive that) ... what OTHER album can you think of that successfully combines novelty pop singalong ("Bones of Elvis"), Oi! ("Skinheads in Leningrad"), industrial/PiL-type racket ("Metal"), fake oldie jazz ("In the Mood"), bubblegum/musichall pop ("Beer, Baccy, Bingo & Benidorm"), mixes oldies with psychedelic dub ("Walking in the Sand/Margate Beach"), and still has room left over for crunchy riffs like "Epitath for the Hippies" & "Virgin Love" (and, unlike its predecessor, 'Passout', nothing that remotely resembles spacerock, yet it's *still* great)? And even most of the outtakes left OFF the album ("Short Sharp Shock" aka "Dogrot Animal", "Bildeborg", the infamous/tasteless "13/35" & "Nazi Motorcycle Slut", etc.) rule, too! It certainly blows away most of the UK post-punk scene circa 1982 ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 28 14:14:26 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:14:26 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze 2001 Festival Message-ID: >get outta town! Jim Collins "PLAYED" the guitar!!!!!!! Whooops... sorry... Jim was on keys, his son on guitar. >and listen- did NOT mean to be 'mean' about MQB yack, I thought my metallic >advice was a gift....not a waterballoon.... You weren't mean Mike. Hell, you even said you went back and listened again after all the positive posts. Can't ask for more than that. Not everyone is going to like something. Hardy even commented this weekend that he considers the opposing opinions healthy. But... if you'd been at this show I'd wager you'd be a convert :-) Jerry Kranitz From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Oct 28 16:35:28 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:35:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:02:35 -0000, Colm McWilliams wrote: >Rix, > >Did the band give any reason for the absence of Graham Coxon from the RFH >gig?? I was just wandering as it said on the website that he was billed to >play. You know, now you mention it, I 4got to ask ! hahaha !!!! I'll find out tomorow and paste up here or on MC... >btw the web sites excellent! Thanx! Hopefully the new encarnation will please *everyone*, which is gonna be hard as there are grillions of combinations of browsers, op sys and platforms out there to deal with - as well as people who want just plain text and printer friendly pages etc....... AAArrrggghhh......!! Rx From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 28 17:34:00 2001 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:34:00 EST Subject: Strange Daze 2001 Festival Message-ID: Hey Mike Coleman: Jim played the synths and Rich our son played guitar - the drummer was Thom Marianetti and Dave was the bass guitar. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Oct 28 13:34:03 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:34:03 -0000 Subject: lame '80's, etc, etc Message-ID: no (but I know the guy who has it) and yes, I will see what I can do. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: lame '80's, etc, etc > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > actually, I suppose I should confess, since this is positively my last > > posting on the subject that, and no word of a lie, I have THE most enormous > > collection of vinyl, CD's and tapes by.............Bananarama!!!!! > > It's a long story......................and, no, I'm not going to tell it > > here, that's for sure, so you can rest easy!! > > Do you still have that Surf/Woodland voice single by Tim Blake, and can > we tree a tape for the Blake fans here? > > FoFP From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Oct 28 18:30:53 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:30:53 -0500 Subject: Off: Strange Daze 2001 Photos Message-ID: I've uploaded several zip files of photos from the fest that you can download if you like. They're at: http://aural-innovations.com/private/sd01pics.html Jerry Kranitz From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Oct 28 21:19:10 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:19:10 -0600 Subject: Strange Daze 2001 Festival In-Reply-To: <16d.30866f1.290de1d8@aol.com> Message-ID: <> <> That is great- super excellent great- now, I must go lie down after being mentally tortured from a tree monkey posing as a human... I would LOVE the MQB/NIK/HARVEY show, I hope to god I can lose this permanent "kick me" sign I allowed to fester and grow affixed, by the next tour, so it's not like I am showing up in public to play tennis nude on a public court.... best and positive wishes to ALL *I dilute * peace m From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Sun Oct 28 20:57:46 2001 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:57:46 +1100 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Is this a ghost dance ? regards Marty From nycademon at HOME.COM Sun Oct 28 22:22:10 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:22:10 -0700 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: <200110281827.NAA28373@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >Hmmmm.... it seems in your haste to criticize, you didn't actually bother to >read the content of the mail.... Hmmmm. . . . Perhaps I DID read your email, clicked the link with high expectations of viewing a great site, and then was blown away by all the ghosts on the screen. Kewl. >Oh ya, thanx 4 the book ref but there are also *far* better books on >webdesign that I use when lecturing on the subject to great effect. Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for maximum effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that doesn't really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a starry background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure your site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that people can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the handy dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and most importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives you an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone right clicks on the page to view the code. I have no idea what the following means: >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's own >navigation, and yes, ssi's would be a better way to do stuff, and you'll >notice that as hawkwind.info develops, we are already beginning to do just >that. People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? Hmmmm? >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by >intention to fit an exacting brief. Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. What the heck do you mean? Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of "Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. Guido P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on the subject. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 02:18:06 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:18:06 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: SD2001 Message-ID: Hey. Whattup? Haven't fully cleared my in-box of everything just yet (thanks for the Atomic Rooster suggs....so that's where Chris Farlowe came from? I know him from Jimmy Page albums and somewhere else...he's pretty good I think, in that raspy dirty blues voice that Mike Harrison (Spooky Tooth) did so well also, preferably without the silly falsetto over top that I'm not sure who's responsible for). But a few things at least. Yep, the Nik band was announced as Jim Collins, Dr. Synth, and Professor Bainbridge (or words to that same effect) all on synths, Richie C. on guitar, Thom M. (Sun Machine) on the kit, and then Dave "Not-here" on bass.* Just to remind everyone, in the words of Nik Turner... "Lets cut all the bullshit, name calling and divisive behaviour about Hawkwind/Hawkestra. That is not what it should be about." :) *(I did hear that right, didn't I? I apologize in advance if I misheard it, or read into it by mistake.) Anyway, if I can be free to offer 'criticism' without fear of retribution... The Nik show was very entertaining while being somewhat musically pedestrian. Thom and Douglas Walker stood out as the key elements IMHO that carried it along (esp. as I couldn't hear the other synths nearly as well), but then Nik himself is actually a pretty talented musician when he wants to be, and he did nice things on both nights. The absolute highlight of Friday's Nik show was Children of the Sun with a very simple extended groovy jam that left the slate clear for Nik to just go to town on the flute. D-Rider was brilliant as well. MotU was frankly done better by Heavy Liquid in the bar the next day (Richie has a pedal effect there that he should 'lose' IMHO), and Brainstorm is old and tired - I went to the loo. The set didn't start out so great...ICU tracks that weren't coming across too well - wrong mix or something. The show definitely improved as it went along. Good encore - what the hell was it? - I can't even remember. YSDT was in there somewhere towards the end (Silver Machine too), but that wasn't it I don't think. "Ejection" was part of it maybe?...something else too I thought. ? Yes, Alien Planetscapes was fabulous. Maybe the strongest performance from a purely musical standpoint of the entire two days. I think I heard Doug say that Chris was back on bass there, but wasn't sure who the other guitarist and drummer were. New young guys it seemed. Ritchie Orlando was great on 'lead' guitar throughout. Switched between his Les Paul starburst and the hefty SG, and made 'em both sing. Speaker\Cranker were totally outstanding - very loopy krautish improv-jam stuff that I love so much. Triple guitar attack this time. Not everyone's cup o' tea I guess, but I love them. ESO played mostly their wacky song stuff rather than their atmospheric jam stuff and were not as good as I remembered from SD2000. (Which isn't much to be honest.) They did do an outstanding version of VU's Waiting for My Man (VU was played constantly on the CD player in the bar (when bands were not going)...just exactly why I'm not sure). Nucleon were thunderous and entertaining as always - a band I didn't like much at all on first listen four years back, but they're either so much better now, or perhaps I just finally caught on. Red Giant will take some more time yet - they are really loud and angry (for playing the cozy tavern that is). On the other hand, I believe their music is more intricate than anyone else there, save maybe AP and Quarkspace. But the singer isn't doing it for me. The final three bands I'd just seen five days earlier, so I wondered how my tired body could possibly get excited about it. But all three performances (as good as they were in Columbus) were all 100% better this time! Likely due to the presence of at least an enthusiastic audience of measurable proportions. Harvey (with Nik through about 70% of it) was having fun - a different opening piece, much longer than in Col's. Much of the rest was the same (see previous review), but done differently and he adjusted to what Nik was playing (some sax, some flute) and vice versa. It was the ultimate recharging chillout with great visuals going on. I did manage to do a 20 minute interview with Harvey that hopefully will 'show up' on the tape when I go to transcribe it. Quarkspace's next-to-last performance was one of the best. A couple of the new tunes (which I have yet to hear on disc, though I now have a copy thanks to Paul...will be offering to work on a tree as it's intended to be distributed this way - no angry posts please!) :) But then a lot of excellent space improv jams where bassist Chester seemingly dislocated his thumb during a furious stretch, and had to switch back to picking. Quimby were truly awesome. I only saw Melting Euphoria once (SD'98 I think?) and (as they themselves admitted) were really quite uninspiring. And while I like them, I, like Doug, don't regard them in the top echeleon either. The Ozrics, OTOH, I've seen four times or so, each one of them quite impressive (even Chicago-Metro, where they had no lightshow whatsoever.) Yes, better than their discs, but I like their discs as well. Same-y as they may be. But Quimby were better than the Ozrics IMHO on this night, and were I think the best headlining performance that SD has had in the four years I've been there. Well, that Pressurehed Friday night in '98 was amazing too, but I really can't compare the two that well since I was pretty 'out-of-it' that time. Quimby pretty much 'wasted' me physically in the first hour, and I had to go sit down in the back and just chill out until the finale (Beyond the Light) and 7x7 (with Nik/Harvey). I noticed that pretty much *nobody* left during the first 75 minutes or so of Quimby's performance, and the cheering and the people down front kept growing as the show went along. Up until it got *really* late (1:45 or so) and then folks started to file out, obviously just because it had been such a long day and they (like me) had just been wrung out too much. The sound, the volume, the energy - all were really a lot better than Col's. The amazing thing about Strange Daze is that there are 15 bands of all types and sizes and volumes, and yet nobody sucked. I watched nearly every band's full set and never really wanted to walk out. World of Tomorrow (with horns! Ack!) is not at all my 'thing,' but I still liked the way they played, and Prato is fantastic on bass. JFK (with Prato on gtr) was good also, and threw in some manic edginess and 'attitude' (if you will) that I could appreciate. All these bands kept things interesting by doing similar things, but yet through wildly different means. Rick Ray's band (was it?) even had a guy playing bass clarinet (along with normal clarinet, which sounded like soprano sax through the pickup/effects) for chrissakes. Fantastic weekend - wonderful venue really! What Jerry said I agree with on that front. This place apparently costs $1500 for SD compared to $8000 for the Ledges, so no doubt this is the future of SD. Or something like it. People did still come from all over the US to see this event! So those bands that came from so far away (even if they were expecting more attendence or more sales) should really know that they were playing to an audience that represented a very large geographical area and word-of-mouth will truly advance all of their causes via these little individual remote cells, even if they are totally unaware. As far as sales goes, we at A-I.com decided not to do any merchandising, which was a good choice since we couldn't do it from either 'venue' easily - the tables were set up in the hallway between the two. The Nik/Collins family had a giant box of items, that were mostly 'self-pirated' Nik-related CDR works. I got PassOut and a F/i (with Nik guesting) live boot (one quick listen - seemed pretty good). They had cool T-shirts made up with 'Got Nik?' on the back in the 'Got Milk?' campaign style - quite humorous. The Strange-Trips and MQB tables were pretty much as I said last time - yes indeed the Red Shift's that they were offering were in fact also 'self-pirated' issues - more on that in the interview. There was some issue about whether individuals were free to hawk their own personal (i.e., non-playing-band-related) items. That was never the case at the Ledges - not sure what the issue was this time. Luckily, I decided not to bring my box of spare used CDs to the show like I normally do to raise travel funds etc. In years past, I always thought the outdoor event was 'under-merchandised,' esp. compared to prog-events like NEARFest where fans pay more attention to the vendors than the artists sometimes. So in '98 I started bringing my spare 'traders' as a way of giving people somewhere to 'shop' between bands. This year, I could see that there was a *lot* more stuff from the bands playing (as here at Col's), so I refrained from bringing my stuff in for that reason as well (in addition to the obvious 'table' situation). Well, enough commentary. MQB impressed me mightily and I think they did the same to everyone else there. I saw a bit of Joe's video later that night and so I know some people out there will be seeing good quality archives of this show. I also saw some archive footage of some Toronto concerts featuring the General Chaos lightshow of longtime boc-ler's Steve Lindsay and Eric Siegerman, and although it's difficult to compare them via 19" diagonal TV video, I think they've got some of the coolest stuff going in that department. Naturally, we missed having Tommy & Len play live again this year, but I also missed having Rob Jacobs' come and do his film/lightshow thing. And I think that perhaps future SD's would benefit from having several different lightshow artists perform each year, just as they have all these bands doing it onstage. But then it's Jim's event and it's Jim's lightshow, so I don't want to get into any other stupid turfwars that we already have way too much of. I'm talking merely from an audience member's perspective, about advancing the open exchange of art and music. Every year at SD, I realize how much good stuff exists in people's imagination, and the more that have a chance to show their stuff, the merrier I say. Grakkl (FAA) Most obscure cover tune - Rick Ray (obviously a Hendrix/Trower freak - he played Too Rolling Stoned as proof of the latter, and an excerpt of Third Rock as proof of the former) doing Mick Bolton-era UFO's song "Catch a Falling Star" or whatever the title is. A couple of us recognized it too (though I couldn't remember who it was until he announced it at the end admittedly). Somewhere I have a copy of "Space Metal." Prince Kajuku is a wonder. SD'2001 All-star band (all IMHO of course): Vocals - Ray (MQB) Rhythm Guitar/Ebow drone - the Speaker\Cranker trio Lead Guitar - Richard Orlando (AP), the elfin twin of Ali Davey Synths - Douglas Walker (AP/Nik) Loops - Paul Williams (QSpace) Bass - Scott Prato (World of Tomorrow) Drums - Thom Marianetti (Nik) Sax/Flute - Nik Turner Violin - Michelle George (ESO) Bass Clarinet - Dude from Rick Ray (not a whole lot of competition!) (This would have been a cool band to see!) P.S. Kudos to all listmembers that came to support SD in Ohio - see ya' all next year! P.P.S. Note to Chuck - it's really not like this all year 'round in Ohio. In fact, if it weren't for Jim Lascko, we would hardly have any noticeable spacerock shows at all. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 02:31:32 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:31:32 -0500 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Doug P. replied... >>Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden >>Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing >>lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. > >Unfortunately, with Ron no longer in the band, I think they need to re- >evaluate doing very many Calvert songs - no one else who's attempted it >(Dave, Nik, Alan, Harvey, Bridget ... I think that's all? [I won't count >capt. Rizz at SD98]) can sing them as well as him. Although, that being >said, I think Alan does a good job on "Damnation Alley" and "Hassan i >Sahba" (but NOT "Ejection"), Dave is great with "The Right Stuff" (he does >it better than he does "Ejection" IMO), Nik has practically made "Orgone >Accumulator" his own (and does "Ejection" better than Dave), and hearing >Bridget sing "Reefer Madness" in 1990 was a real treat! To follow in this thread, I think the worst setlist decision was in 1995 (or was is 1991?) when 'The Age of the MicroMan' (Dave singing) was deleted from the set after the first two gigs in Toronto & St. Catharines (I think). That was brilliant IMHO. Do good quality tapes exist of that version? Did they ever do that any other time in the 90s? As far as what we would like to see on the new album? Well, it wouldn't be Hawkwind if it didn't have some recycled lyrics now, would it? :) Actually, I rather like the 'reusing' of certain things (see 'Mask of Morning') and I wouldn't mind some new attempts at bringing back some familiar motifs, twisted and modified to fit the 'Death Generator' theme. I don't know the story...what might be viable fodder? On the subject of Electric Tepee, what's the deal with this remastered version on Castle? I'm sure it was discussed here already - but I wasn't paying any attention. Any reason to get it? What's in the booklet? Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 02:48:48 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:48:48 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: SD2001 Message-ID: Ah hell, >Most obscure cover tune - Rick Ray (obviously a Hendrix/Trower freak - he >played Too Rolling Stoned as proof of the latter, and an excerpt of Third >Rock as proof of the former) doing Mick Bolton-era UFO's song "Catch a >Falling Star" or whatever the title is. A couple of us recognized it too >(though I couldn't remember who it was until he announced it at the end >admittedly). Somewhere I have a copy of "Space Metal." Prince Kajuku is a >wonder. maybe it was Heavy Liquid (Blue Cheer/MC5-type power trio) that did the UFO tune? I dunno...Jerry took the notes, he'll do the proper review, wontcha Jerry? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Did anyone find my grey/black coat? From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM Mon Oct 29 02:58:42 2001 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:58:42 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: Hi >I think the worst setlist decision was in 1995 (or >was is 1991?) when 'The Age of the MicroMan' (Dave singing) was deleted from >the set after the first two gigs in Toronto & St. Catharines (I think). Here are the dates: 04.04.1995 Toronto 05.04.1995 St.Catherines Micro Man was played only during these gigs on the 1995 US-tour >Do good quality tapes exist of that version? The tapes I have are not very good. Would like to get some good quality ones! >Did they ever do that any other time in the 90s? No, only during the HAWKLORDS tour (1978) Bernhard Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Mon Oct 29 03:26:38 2001 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:26:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This javascript isn't compatible with Macintosh's Internet Explorer version! At 10:57 28/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >The site definitely gets my vote for "most gratuitous use of javascript" >:-P. Rik, I liked the heroic attempt to prevent people from viewing the >source code ("Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" indeed!), but you >might have better luck with server side scripting. In addition to the "text >only" option, how about a "no bells and whistles" option, or at least a good >site map, to facilitate retrieving the actual content you've worked hard to >provide? > >All IMHO, of course. > >Guido > >obWEBdesignBOOK: _Creating Killer Web Sites_ by David Siegel > >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Rik Rx / Val Vx >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:17 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > >++STAR WARRIORS > >Something SPOOKY is going on at Mission Control: > >Visit the updates page for the latest information: >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm > >We have noticed many questions on these lists that could be answered by >visiting the Mission Control site at www.hawkwind.org.uk. Things such as >Lyrics, Core Album info, Band member profiles and the like are all up on the >site. . . . . . > >However, to make things easier, the whole Mission Control site is under >heavy redesign at the moment, and on relaunch will include many more pages, >better navigation, a password protected area for HW passport holders, audio >and video streaming, a web-board, on-line merchandising, e-mail announcement >facility, java chat facility, WAP extensions, a chillout zone, upgraded >guestbook, a text only option (hi Arin !), downloadable HW screensavers, >Desktop themes and browser skins, and loads of updates and fixes for those >visitors with electronically or digitally challenged connections. Our test >pilots are currently hard at work checking the new layouts, and >announcements will be made over the next few Months. The site will still >work on hawkwind.org.uk, but will be hosted on our new www.hawkwind.info >domain. > >Have a good Halloween ! > >Rx&Vx > >MESSAGE ENDS++ Olivier Boigey 35 rue Navier 75017 Paris Tel : 06 68 22 67 67 From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 29 03:36:19 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:36:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20.22 -0700 01-10-28, Guido N. Vacano wrote: >Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for maximum >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that doesn't >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a starry >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure your >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that people >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the handy >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and most >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives you an >"Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone right clicks >on the page to view the code. I take this to indicate that Mission Control is still absolutely maddening? I haven't dared go there for ages because it invariably crashed my browser before I could find any actual information. Sounds like it's still kind of over the top :/ Perhaps there could be version that was a web page with easily accessible info and data as well a version that is a light show? I'm sure there are people out there who live for a dazzling web experience, and I'm glad they're being catered to -- but I'd settle for a web site that didn't drive me into a homicidal frenzy just trying to figure out what the heck is going on .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Mon Oct 29 03:36:21 2001 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:36:21 -0000 Subject: NIK: ICU Maximum Effect Message-ID: Jez, there are mp3s of most ICU recordings including Maximum Effect on Steve Pond's website www.innercityunit.co.uk I don't know why mp3s are no good to you, but these are good quality (better than tape IMHO). If you don't have the software to do it, I'd be happy to burn you an audio CD from the mp3s. Please reply offlist to m.jermy at cranfield.ac.uk as I'm moving house and not reading every BOC-L post at the mo. Cheers, Mark > From: Jez Dacombe > Subject: HW: ICU Maximum Effect > > Hi, > Did ICU's Maximum Effect LP ever make it onto CD? > I've always thought it the finest of them all and only have a very = > knackered old tape of it. > Assuming the answer is "no", am I right in thinking that all the ICU = > back catalogue is available on the Net free of charge? > If it's MP3 format then that's no use to me, in which case, is there any = > kind soul out there willing to cut me a standard CD of the LP which all = > track in their original order. > I can exchange for a copy of Virgin's worst ever selling video - ICU - = > Paint Your Windows White, Cadillac, Egg etc. > Or a 2 hour tape of ICU plus Bob at Dingwalls March 85. > Any takers? > Jez From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Mon Oct 29 03:58:39 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:58:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. I went to the HW site and looked around, no crashes. And once they make navigation easier it should be fine. I'd like to see MP3's of something on there, I don't know what but something. That'd probably generate a lot of traffic too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:36 AM Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > I take this to indicate that Mission Control is still absolutely > maddening? I haven't dared go there for ages because it invariably > crashed my browser before I could find any actual information. > Sounds like it's still kind of over the top :/ > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 29 04:58:40 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Chainsaw Massacre) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:58:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like the green one, but Casper comes tracing down diagonally so cool though...... Dear Rik- I've been clicking on that icon of the Warrior LP for so long now- If I click on it more than anyone can I buy the rarities after they get displayed? If it will be a "passport holders access only" area "C4", can I submit a crude pencil doodle to Tone for my likeness- ??? I can never get my eyes to show as blue, they show red no matter what the quality........... I opened the dictionary last night to have "Ghostdance" leap out at me synchronicity synchronicity m From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 29 04:15:39 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:15:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Damned (again) Message-ID: Nick, Damned tour dates available from official web site http://www.damnedmaster.f9.co.uk/ You just gotta go, they are on the best form they've been on for absolutley years !!! Belch! (as the captain would say) regards Iain Nick Medford wrote: > In message <3BD9269E.DFA781F7 at aol.com>, iain ferguson > writes > >I did however see that the Damned are going back out on tour.. And I can > >confirm that the new album is a corker. The tour just before its release was > >terrific and I heartily recommend it. > >Cant wait till the 20th they are playing the Cheese & Grain in Frome > > Iain- do you know where I can find a copy of the tour dates? Haven't seen > anything advertised, anxious to see them- haven't seen the Damned live > since the (ahem) "farewell gig" at Brixton in '89. What a night that was. I > used to think it was a bit sad that thereafter they wouldn't let it lie, but now > with the rip-roaring new album my interest is fully engaged again. > > cheers > -- > Nick Medford From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Oct 29 05:58:14 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (caustic carcass bone) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:58:14 -0600 Subject: AW: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"Micro Man was played only during these gigs on the 1995 US-tour">>BP I caught 6 shows starting in Buffalo (what a smoker) do I have a CDR of this? does anybody know what I have? (nevermind) -all the while carrying a little baby kidney-stone, whose birth had to be postponed until home - I was SO IN HORROR to learn this had been dropped just before the band entered the states- let a soundboard appear in the beauty of the mornings first twinkling light.... ps -Buffalo attendants- remember the intimate coolness of Daves old guitar sitting there as a prop (or it WAS one), and the cheers he got when he walked in the front door and went through the audience to the stage- I do.... m From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 05:31:10 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:31:10 -0000 Subject: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror In-Reply-To: <148.39b8bce.290a21a7@aol.com> Message-ID: > I'm thinking of a 45rpm I found in the garage a while ago... (It was my > sister's, of course). can't remember the guy's name, but Howard might have > been in there somewhere. white tennis-y shorts, wimpy white Vans, > light pink > all over the place...permy newavey hair, in the later rap-style > (like a brick > standing on end on yer head)... but then, i don't recall what the music > sounded like... > ...oh, and as for cheesy metal, it wasn't all in the wimpy/glam > style...remember Black Death, Piledriver, Running Wild, etc? > ...Amebix, Onslaught, Flotsam and Jetsam, Dark Angel, Impaler, Merciful Fate, Exodus, Gravedigger, Satan, Death, Grim Reaper... Ahh... drifting back to my days at Newcastle University... :-) Cheers, Rich. ObEightiesTune: The Reynolds Girls - I'd Rather Jack (Than Fleetwood Mac) :-) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 29 05:38:49 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:38:49 GMT Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: dave hall's message of Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:05:23 +0100 Message-ID: dave hall writes: > Right make it the Griffin in Glasgow. Anyone need directions contact me > off-list. It'd be best to have directions online since most travellers probably won't know the pubs in other cities. FoFP From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Oct 29 06:10:15 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:10:15 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: SD2001 Message-ID: >maybe it was Heavy Liquid (Blue Cheer/MC5-type power trio) that did the UFO >tune? Yup, that was Heavy Liquid. They didn't actually announce the song title but I think you said you thought it was "Catch A Falling Star". Jerry Kranitz From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 29 06:12:11 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:12:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: >hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless >you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are >free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or >update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. And does everybody know that some people would rather stick to their older version for one reason or another? Last I heard, that's called freedom, BTW. Having a site (and I'm not pointing fingers at Mission Control here, since I'm not familiar with it) requiring that I get the latest version of my browser or to add a plug-in or whatnot to see the site just tends to get from me the opposite reaction: I just leave. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 29 07:31:49 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:31:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Poco/Springfield was Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: No sarcasm intended. In order Still, Furay, Martin (whose Medicine Ball album is an undiscovered gem - just sold mine after much begging and pleading, after that doen't really matter much:-) >>>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:47:14 -0400, Z E Itgeist wrote: >Naah, Pickin' Up The Pieces was released in 1969 by Poco, written by the >splendid Mr Richie Furay, the 2nd best songwriter in Buffalo SPringfield >after the godlike Stephen Stills. ?!?!?!!! Is that a troll, or sarcasm? ;^) (I'll guess the latter, given the post below that it's in response to ... BTW for the record, the second-best songwriter in Buffalo Springfield was Bruce Palmer - his post-Springfield solo album is just a hair shy of Skip Spence's 'Oar' in out-there semi-countrified utter weirdness - NOT after Stills, Furay, Messina, or Dewey Martin!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 29 07:41:35 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:41:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Poco/Springfield was Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: For those interested in 70s guitar heros I would heartily recommend checking out Rick Ray. His output is prodigious (oo-er) Reviews at; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/August2001/22.html http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/Feb2001/rickray3.html http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/Dec2000/reviews.htm http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/Jan2001/reviews.htm Ricks website is at http://communities.msn.com/GuitaristRickRay >>>>> Most obscure cover tune - Rick Ray (obviously a Hendrix/Trower freak - he played Too Rolling Stoned as proof of the latter, and an excerpt of Third Rock as proof of the former) doing Mick Bolton-era UFO's song "Catch a Falling Star" or whatever the title is. A couple of us recognized it too (though I couldn't remember who it was until he announced it at the end admittedly). Somewhere I have a copy of "Space Metal." Prince Kajuku is a wonder. SD'2001 All-star band (all IMHO of course): Vocals - Ray (MQB) Rhythm Guitar/Ebow drone - the Speaker\Cranker trio Lead Guitar - Richard Orlando (AP), the elfin twin of Ali Davey Synths - Douglas Walker (AP/Nik) Loops - Paul Williams (QSpace) Bass - Scott Prato (World of Tomorrow) Drums - Thom Marianetti (Nik) Sax/Flute - Nik Turner Violin - Michelle George (ESO) Bass Clarinet - Dude from Rick Ray (not a whole lot of competition!) (This would have been a cool band to see!) From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 29 07:45:14 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:45:14 -0500 Subject: HW tour - social convenor Message-ID: OK we're getting there, but still need venuse etc outside Glasgow / Edinburgh / Glasgow Details at http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Oct 29 07:49:54 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:49:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Because we shouldn't have to. If it doesn't work with the latest version of OPera I don't go there. Oddly enough I manage to survive without dazzling light shows on my monitor. >>>>> From: Dan Witt Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. I went to the HW site and looked around, no crashes. And once they make navigation easier it should be fine. I'd like to see MP3's of something on there, I don't know what but something. That'd probably generate a lot of traffic too. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 29 09:13:19 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:13:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: Hi folks Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? I'm aiming to bring Warlock and his brother WarlockII into Swindon by 5pm on Saturday. Anyone fancy a pint ? regards iain cabinet key poised..... From nycademon at HOME.COM Mon Oct 29 09:26:30 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:26:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: <200110291112.GAA15615@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: I'm usually the "get the latest of everything type", which served me well until Internet Exploder 5.5 :-P. What a piece of unstable junk! Version 6.0 seems to be a significant improvement as fara as stability goes, although there are some added features that are a little annoying. The only browser I REALLY like is Opera. Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Alex S. Garcia Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:12 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders >hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless >you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are >free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or >update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. And does everybody know that some people would rather stick to their older version for one reason or another? Last I heard, that's called freedom, BTW. Having a site (and I'm not pointing fingers at Mission Control here, since I'm not familiar with it) requiring that I get the latest version of my browser or to add a plug-in or whatnot to see the site just tends to get from me the opposite reaction: I just leave. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 09:24:19 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:24:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: iain ferguson wrote: > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? Yes! > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? No! > Anyone fancy a pint ? Yes! From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 09:30:10 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:30:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: Hi there folks, having lived in Swindon for some while, I cannot reccommend any pubs there. However there is a big one (possibly weatherspoons) with cheap beer in the place that used to be the ABC cinema. It is very close to the Wyvern. If I could remember the name it would be really useful, but there will be few options available near the Wyvern, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find. No more than a 5 minute walk from the Wyvern, slightly down the hill towards the Brunel Centre (which is the centre of Swindon). Cheers Mike w > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Barton [mailto:keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK] > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:24 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > Yes! > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > No! > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > Yes! > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 09:44:58 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:44:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Damned (again) Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:15:39 +0000, iain ferguson wrote: >Nick, > >Damned tour dates available from official web site >http://www.damnedmaster.f9.co.uk/ Thanks Ian Hopefully I'll be at the Hackney gig on 21st. cheers Nick From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 10:06:12 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:06:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd In-Reply-To: <3BDD6692.1E214CFE@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: Have I ever mentioned I lost my virginity in Swindon? Oh. I have. I'll get me coat. Cheers, Rich. > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > Yes! > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > No! > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > Yes! > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 10:06:11 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:06:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > I'm usually the "get the latest of everything type", which served me well > until Internet Exploder 5.5 :-P. What a piece of unstable junk! > Version 6.0 > seems to be a significant improvement as fara as stability goes, although > there are some added features that are a little annoying. The > only browser I > REALLY like is Opera. Which sucks. (Speaking as a developer.) The day we all use the same browser is the day I take all my clothes off and dance nekkid in the fountains at Trafalgar Square. Some would say that's a good reason to use as many different browsers as possible, but you get my meaning. Cheers, Rich. From nycademon at HOME.COM Mon Oct 29 10:46:03 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:46:03 -0700 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed. HierMenus (www.dhtml.com) doesn't work with Opera, and it handles popup windows badly. But it's fast and lean. Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:06 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > I'm usually the "get the latest of everything type", which served me well > until Internet Exploder 5.5 :-P. What a piece of unstable junk! > Version 6.0 > seems to be a significant improvement as fara as stability goes, although > there are some added features that are a little annoying. The > only browser I > REALLY like is Opera. Which sucks. (Speaking as a developer.) The day we all use the same browser is the day I take all my clothes off and dance nekkid in the fountains at Trafalgar Square. Some would say that's a good reason to use as many different browsers as possible, but you get my meaning. Cheers, Rich. From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 10:42:28 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:42:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: OK, after a 30 second google search I find it is called the savoy, which should be enough information for anyone. here is a poor map, the savoy is at the top of regent st http://www.ents24.com/web/maps.php3?venueid=5526 And here is an interview with Huw http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/wiltshire/leisure/whatson/LEISURE_WHATSON_M USIC15.html mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Wright, Mike [mailto:wrightm at BRE.CO.UK] > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:30 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > Hi there folks, > > having lived in Swindon for some while, I cannot reccommend > any pubs there. > However there is a big one (possibly weatherspoons) with > cheap beer in the > place that used to be the ABC cinema. It is very close to the > Wyvern. If I > could remember the name it would be really useful, but there > will be few > options available near the Wyvern, so it shouldn't be too > difficult to find. > No more than a 5 minute walk from the Wyvern, slightly down > the hill towards > the Brunel Centre (which is the centre of Swindon). > > Cheers > > Mike w > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Barton [mailto:keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK] > > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:24 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > > > Yes! > > > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > > > No! > > > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > > > Yes! > > > > > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright > material may be > contained in this e-mail. The information and material is > intended for the > use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the > intended addressee > you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in > any unauthorised > manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you > receive this > e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by > return e-mail and > destroy all copies. Thank you. > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Oct 29 10:44:27 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:44:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: Hi, Weatherspoons have 2 pubs, one on Regents street, very close to the Wyvern ( whihc sounds good to me, less far to stagger), or the other one is on Fleet street ? Mike any thoughts which is preferable ? regards iain "Wright, Mike" wrote: > Hi there folks, > > having lived in Swindon for some while, I cannot reccommend any pubs there. > However there is a big one (possibly weatherspoons) with cheap beer in the > place that used to be the ABC cinema. It is very close to the Wyvern. If I > could remember the name it would be really useful, but there will be few > options available near the Wyvern, so it shouldn't be too difficult to find. > No more than a 5 minute walk from the Wyvern, slightly down the hill towards > the Brunel Centre (which is the centre of Swindon). > > Cheers > > Mike w > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith Barton [mailto:keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK] > > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:24 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > > > Yes! > > > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > > > No! > > > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > > > Yes! > > > > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be > contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the > use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee > you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised > manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this > e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and > destroy all copies. Thank you. From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 10:51:35 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:51:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: The one on regent street (savoy) makes most sense. And to quote---> Have I ever mentioned I lost my virginity in Swindon? Oh. I have. I'll get me coat. Cheers, Rich.<---------- Well, that is one interesting thing that happened there then. mike p.s. get out of swindon before the locals wake up, they'll be easily amused by moonlight and electricity. > -----Original Message----- > From: iain ferguson [mailto:iainferguson at AOL.COM] > Sent: 29 October 2001 15:44 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > Hi, > Weatherspoons have 2 pubs, one on Regents street, very close > to the Wyvern ( > whihc sounds good to me, less far to stagger), or the other > one is on Fleet > street ? > > Mike any thoughts which is preferable ? > > regards > iain > > "Wright, Mike" wrote: > > > Hi there folks, > > > > having lived in Swindon for some while, I cannot reccommend > any pubs there. > > However there is a big one (possibly weatherspoons) with > cheap beer in the > > place that used to be the ABC cinema. It is very close to > the Wyvern. If I > > could remember the name it would be really useful, but > there will be few > > options available near the Wyvern, so it shouldn't be too > difficult to find. > > No more than a 5 minute walk from the Wyvern, slightly down > the hill towards > > the Brunel Centre (which is the centre of Swindon). > > > > Cheers > > > > Mike w > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keith Barton [mailto:keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK] > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:24 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > > > > > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > > > > > No! > > > > > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright > material may be > > contained in this e-mail. The information and material is > intended for the > > use of the intended addressee only. 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From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 29 10:57:32 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:57:32 EST Subject: November Tour/Manchester Message-ID: In a message dated 10/26/01 9:36:28 AM GMT Standard Time, dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > Cheers, see you in Manchester > Dewi Absolutely! It's a Saturday, so we're heading down to Manchester early, sampling some beer at the Bar Fringe and other notable outlets. Here's to another lost weekend. LOL Hope to see some of you there. GutterCat From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 11:06:02 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:06:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And doesn't work. Don't forget "doesn't work". :-) R. > > > Agreed. HierMenus (www.dhtml.com) doesn't work with Opera, and it handles > popup windows badly. But it's fast and lean. > > Guido > > > > > > > > > I'm usually the "get the latest of everything type", which > served me well > > until Internet Exploder 5.5 :-P. What a piece of unstable junk! > > Version 6.0 > > seems to be a significant improvement as fara as stability > goes, although > > there are some added features that are a little annoying. The > > only browser I > > REALLY like is Opera. > > Which sucks. (Speaking as a developer.) > > The day we all use the same browser is the day I take all my > clothes off and > dance nekkid in the fountains at Trafalgar Square. > > Some would say that's a good reason to use as many different browsers as > possible, but you get my meaning. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 29 11:10:23 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:10:23 EST Subject: Message from Nik Turner Message-ID: > >If people cannot say anything positive, honest, and construtive, I > >suggest they just clam up, keep their traps shut - meditate on it, find > >internal peace - think about it. > > >This applies to everybody, everybody. > > Guess we won't be hearing much from Nik then? > Or any comments about the 2001 CD. Steve From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 12:13:40 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:13:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: >hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless >you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are >free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or >update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. I can't update my browser beyond Netscape 4.08. I'm too embarrassed to admit why, so you'll have to guess, and then keep it to yourself so as not to reveal my secret life in cyberspace. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I think I'm probably the only one with this situation, so.... hawkwind.info doesn't actually crash my 4.08 - but it is 'strange' - I haven't checked out the 'text' version yet....I imagine that might be more my thing. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 13:20:46 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:20:46 -0000 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: Okay, I'll do that over the next few days. Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 29 October 2001 10:39 Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser >dave hall writes: > >> Right make it the Griffin in Glasgow. Anyone need directions contact me >> off-list. > >It'd be best to have directions online since most travellers probably >won't know the pubs in other cities. > >FoFP > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 13:17:29 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:17:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wright, Mike > The one on regent street (savoy) makes most sense. I'm going to try and get along there before the gig (will probably be wearing a blue denim jacket with a HW Stonehenge patch on the front and a painting of the Joker (from Batman) on the back. Hmm, makes me sound like "approach with caution"... > > And to quote---> > Have I ever mentioned I lost my virginity in Swindon? > > Oh. I have. I went to a really good Doctor Who convention there (at "The Wiltshire") years ago...oh, not quite the same thing.... Ian From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Mon Oct 29 15:10:58 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:10:58 -0500 Subject: First Groove, now Cranium... :-( Message-ID: Forwarded with heavy heart... Cranium Music Closing Down Sale The end of the road has arrived for Cranium Music as a seller of Progressive, Krautrock, Spacerock & Electronic music. In the next week we will be officially announcing a closing down sale but as Graeme (my webmaster) is away on holiday no updates can ne carried out on the Cranium site until he arrives home. In the meantime you can deduct 10% off the listed catalogue price on any titles in the online Cranium catalogue. PLEASE NOTE: the 10% reduction DOES NOT apply to titles released on the Cranium Label. Label titles are clearly marked on their respective pages. Further: FREE AIRMAIL POSTAGE still applies to ALL titles in the catalogue (including label titles). Example: Title normally US$15 - 10% now = US$13.50 & NO POSTAGE. Can you further help?: Yes. Please advise music friends & fans of this sale. The plan at this stage is to continue with just the Cranium label but more about that at a later date. To those who have been loyal customers over the last nearly 6 years I would like to thank you for your support and I hope through Cranium you have discovered some wonderful music. Regards Richard Cranium Music Regards, Craig Shipley mr_ship at bellsouth.net (home) cshipley at veritas.com (work) Regards, Craig Shipley mr_ship at bellsouth.net (home) cshipley at veritas.com (work) From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Oct 29 14:55:56 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:55:56 -0000 Subject: Test Message-ID: Please ignore - just a test message From hw at CY-B.ORG Mon Oct 29 16:38:55 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:38:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: "Guido N. Vacano" Wrote: >"Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for maximum >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that doesn't >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a starry >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure your >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that people >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the handy >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and most >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives you >an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone right >clicks on the page to view the code. Ahhh, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the approach to the Official HW site should be the same as that of a corporate or business site. Of course it isn't. Hawkwind have always been about stimulation by visual media, at least in the 30+ years I have experienced them. Perhaps you missed that little point. Of course, we could always make a sans-serif black text on a white background site for the chromatologically challenged, but I think that really would be missing the point....... As we said, there *WILL* be a printer-freindly extension to most key pages, with a gateway option from the new sitemap. I have no idea what the following means: (yes - it is complicated isn't it !) >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's >own navigation,<> >People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? Hmmmm? With reguard to the right click disable which you find so interestingly irritating, ....if you had visited the site before, you will know that the site usually runs in a remote console ('kiosk mode') which removes the normal navigation keys on 80% of browsers, and gives a larger stage for the graphic content to avoid scrolling etc. Without the navigation bar, the only navigation options are via the right click menu (windows) or apple click dropdown on Mac. However we wanted to guarantee visitors used our own navigation system, so we disabled the the click. If you still can't understand this basic concept please mail me privately and I'll go through it S L O W E R :-} >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by >intention to fit an exacting brief. >Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. What >the heck do you mean? Ahh... foiled by yet another complicated technical term eh? This refers to the detailed specifications for the site design given to me by the band. >Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of >"Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. So you teach too eh? - Rik >Guido >P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on the >subject. Yeah - me too! I got some seriously pointless JavaScript to write ! :-} Oh ya - by the way, I wouldn't have taken offence at your original post if it were merely constructive critisizm. I do believe that without such useful feedback, none of us can learn, grow, and develop. Including a pointed reference to a third rate book on web design, however, smacked seriously of taking the piss!!!! Rx From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 16:40:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:22 -0500 Subject: First Groove, now Cranium... :-( Message-ID: >Forwarded with heavy heart... > >Cranium Music Closing Down Sale > >The end of the road has arrived for Cranium Music as a seller of >Progressive, Krautrock, Spacerock & Electronic music. Ack. Sad to see another fine business end its run. So hard to keep them going I guess. I was in a prog/space friendly shop in Cleveland this weekend, and there was a Mom and two near-teenagers bugging her to buy them stuff like Destiny's Child. I know the owners have to be cringing when they place that stuff on the shelves between Deep Purple and Djam Karet, but then they have to in order to makes ends meet I'm sure. Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 29 17:16:29 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:16:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Voiceprint Remasters of the Universe Message-ID: Hey Folks... For those who didn't already have the EMI digipak versions.... http://www.lasercd.com Only $12 for the UA single albums, and just $13 for the Space Ritual double. Wow! Grakkl (FAA) P.S. They have other stuff in the new additions too, like Kraan's Wintrup (f*cking fantastic), and the brand new Nektar (Roye and Taff, with guests, sim. to Man in the Moon, early reports suggest). From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Mon Oct 29 18:12:41 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:12:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd In-Reply-To: <003c01c160a5$fb2bb320$fdec193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: At 18:17 29/10/01, you wrote: > and a painting of the Joker (from Batman) on the back. WANT ONE! >Hmm, makes me sound like >"approach with caution"... Why? ChrisW NP:Radio 3 - Late Junction From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Oct 29 18:08:08 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:08:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 07.26 -0700 01-10-29, Guido N. Vacano wrote: >I'm usually the "get the latest of everything type", which served me well >until Internet Exploder 5.5 :-P. What a piece of unstable junk! Version 6.0 >seems to be a significant improvement as fara as stability goes, although >there are some added features that are a little annoying. The only browser I >REALLY like is Opera. I've had good success with OmniWeb, though perversely for several yeras I've been using IE on my Mac and Netscape on work-based Windows PCs. The Mac IE is far, far better than the Windows version -- go figure. The preview-ish IE for OS X is a little funky, but the MS Mac team may yet whip it into shape. Though I may have decided to get down with OmniWeb full time by then :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From nycademon at HOME.COM Tue Oct 30 00:57:00 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:57:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop Message-ID: Hello-- Thought you might enjoy this. :-) http://www.vacano.com/guido/hawk.jpg Guido From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Oct 30 01:29:44 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:29:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: For what it's worth...I think it's a kewl web site, Rik. Keep it up!!! It's amazing how some people can get anal retentive about shit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > "Guido N. Vacano" Wrote: > > >"Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for maximum > >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that doesn't > >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a starry > >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure your > >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that people > >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the handy > >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and most > >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives you > >an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone right > >clicks on the page to view the code. > > Ahhh, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the approach to the > Official HW site should be the same as that of a corporate or business site. > Of course it isn't. Hawkwind have always been about stimulation by visual > media, at least in the 30+ years I have experienced them. Perhaps you missed > that little point. Of course, we could always make a sans-serif black text > on a white background site for the chromatologically challenged, but I think > that really would be missing the point....... As we said, there *WILL* be a > printer-freindly extension to most key pages, with a gateway option from the > new sitemap. > > I have no idea what the following means: > (yes - it is complicated isn't it !) > > >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's > >own navigation,<> > >People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? > Hmmmm? > > With reguard to the right click disable which you find so interestingly > irritating, ....if you had visited the site before, you will know that the > site usually runs in a remote console ('kiosk mode') which removes the > normal navigation keys on 80% of browsers, and gives a larger stage for the > graphic content to avoid scrolling etc. Without the navigation bar, the only > navigation options are via the right click menu (windows) or apple click > dropdown on Mac. However we wanted to guarantee visitors used our own > navigation system, so we disabled the the click. If you still can't > understand this basic concept please mail me privately and I'll go through > it S L O W E R :-} > > >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by > >intention to fit an exacting brief. > > >Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. What > >the heck do you mean? > > Ahh... foiled by yet another complicated technical term eh? This refers to > the detailed specifications for the site design given to me by the band. > > >Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of > >"Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. > > So you teach too eh? - Rik > > >Guido > > >P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on the > >subject. > > Yeah - me too! I got some seriously pointless JavaScript to write ! :-} > > Oh ya - by the way, I wouldn't have taken offence at your original post if > it were merely constructive critisizm. I do believe that without such useful > feedback, none of us can learn, grow, and develop. Including a pointed > reference to a third rate book on web design, however, smacked seriously of > taking the piss!!!! > > Rx > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 01:54:40 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:54:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton > At 18:17 29/10/01, you wrote: > > and a painting of the Joker (from Batman) on the back. > > WANT ONE! As painted years ago by an ex-girlfriend (in the style of Marshall Rogers stint on Detective Comics). > > >Hmm, makes me sound like > >"approach with caution"... > > Why? Dunno really :-) Ian From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 30 04:02:04 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:02:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Good'un, Rik. Keep up the good work. Your site is perfectly adequate for me as a general 'PC out of the Box' user. After 26 years working in the IT industry, I've usually found that a sizeable portion of PC problems involve people 'tinkering' without taking a suitable backup of their system first. (With Halloween approaching, is this an appropriate time to mention 'Ghost'?). I was also amused with your seasonal displays on the site, this made my kids laugh, too. (And who knows, may even make them sneak a listen to my Hawk CDs). I await with interest the 'obviously much better technically Hawkwind websites' which must be imminently on-line, then we will all be able to judge for ourselves. "Those who can, do; those who can't become anal ventriloquists" Cheers, Mark C. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Tue Oct 30 04:12:39 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:12:39 -0500 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou Message-ID: Does anyone have any views on this album Tim Blake features on? Thanks.Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 30 05:52:41 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:52:41 -0600 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"Does anyone have any views on this album Tim Blake features on?">> Eddie Like it- cool pic's on inner gatefold including Tim, however I believe I read that Tim just "happened" to be in the studios that day, and couldn't have played on more than a couple minutes of it.... If you are already a fan of Clearlight- recommended- if you are a Blake completist- recommended- if you are looking to go to an underwater alien base, or repeat the "Symphony" experience- may want to pass, maybe get THE DELIRED CAMELION FAMILY instead, as this will get you heading down into the ocean waves a bit faster and more intense, I think..... I saw mention also where Blake's rare Surf 45 was being dicusssed- Owners of ornithological pets will be well pleased........ m From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 05:00:56 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:00:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The Mac IE is far, far better than the Windows version ?! HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!! Oh - I see Carl. You mean "much better" in the "doesn't work properly" sense, yes? :-) Cheers, Rich. From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 05:22:23 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:22:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: > >Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? >Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? >I'm aiming to bring Warlock and his brother WarlockII into Swindon >by >5pm on Saturday. Anyone fancy a pint ? > We are hoping to meet up with a mate of mine who lives in Swindon, he's a bit of a biker-type so should know some cool pubs around there. I'll let the list know pub names when I speak to him next. cheers - Rob From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 05:29:05 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:29:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: > >Have I ever mentioned I lost my virginity in Swindon? > What did it look like, we'll keep an eye out for it on Saturday? cheers - Rob From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 06:34:54 2001 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:34:54 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 29 Oct 2001 to 30 Oct 2001 (#2001-409) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:00:06 EST." <200110301000.FAA07873@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:31:10 -0000 > From: Richard Lockwood > Subject: Re: OFF: Lame 80s pop teen horror > > > I'm thinking of a 45rpm I found in the garage a while ago... (It was my > > sister's, of course). can't remember the guy's name, but Howard might have > > been in there somewhere. white tennis-y shorts, wimpy white Vans, > > light pink > > all over the place...permy newavey hair, in the later rap-style > > (like a brick > > standing on end on yer head)... but then, i don't recall what the music > > sounded like... > > ...oh, and as for cheesy metal, it wasn't all in the wimpy/glam > > style...remember Black Death, Piledriver, Running Wild, etc? > > > > ...Amebix, Onslaught, Flotsam and Jetsam, Dark Angel, Impaler, Merciful ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Fate, Exodus, Gravedigger, Satan, Death, Grim Reaper... Well if that sparks your receiver I do believe Flotsam & Jetsam are playing in London tonight (30th) somewhere. If I had myself organised I might have been there. And you forgot Metal Church, Death Angel, Deathrow, Nuclear Assault... :-) Tim ObTrack: F&J _Metal Shock_ From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 06:47:03 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:47:03 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 29 Oct 2001 to 30 Oct 2001 (#2001-409) In-Reply-To: <200110301134.LAA15649@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > > > ...Amebix, Onslaught, Flotsam and Jetsam, Dark Angel, Impaler, Merciful > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Fate, Exodus, Gravedigger, Satan, Death, Grim Reaper... > > Well if that sparks your receiver I do believe Flotsam & Jetsam > are playing in > London tonight (30th) somewhere. If I had myself organised I > might have been > there. > > And you forgot Metal Church, Death Angel, Deathrow, Nuclear Assault... :-) > Marvellous - although I kind of went off F&J after Jason Newstead left. Doomsday for the Deceiver was a fantastic album - went downhill after that! I'd still fancy going, but I've already had my pass out approved for Thursday (Girlschool). I think given the current financial climate in my wallet, tonight might be pushing it. :-) Anyone got any jobs for web developers going? Cheers, Rich. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 07:09:22 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:29:44 -0600, Tom Clark wrote: >For what it's worth...I think it's a kewl web site, Rik. Keep it up!!! I agree! As a non-techie, much of what's been discussed here means nothing to me, but what I do know is that, on my decidedly non-state-of-the-art PC, the site is entertaining in the finest Hawkwind tradition. Which seems to me to be the point. Whether there are other ways of achieving the same visual effects I don't know, and nor do I give a toss. Keep up the good work Rik. >It's amazing how some people can get anal retentive about shit. Well, it's the obvious thing to get anal retentive about, I guess. NM From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 07:32:26 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:32:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:57:00 -0700, Guido N. Vacano wrote: >Hello-- > > Thought you might enjoy this. :-) > >http://www.vacano.com/guido/hawk.jpg Link doesn't work. This strikes me as magnificently ironic and highly chucklesome. So yes, I enjoyed it! Thanks Guido! NM no offence meant- I'm sure you see the funny side yourself From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 30 08:47:42 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:47:42 -0600 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou In-Reply-To: Message-ID: some more:-)! ? The Clearlight titles including the above are on CD now- the original LP's of "Delired" and "Les Contes" can be a bit pricey, especially the "Delired" which is very rare, although I think I may have just seen a vinyl reissue, and if anyone can confirm this for me I would greatly appreciate- also most (people) probably want CD's..... But the reason I submit this, there is a CD of Christian Boule's "Photo Musik" that has been recently put onto CD, with 2 bonus tracks by Tim Blake that have been snuck onto the end of it- they are link-> http://www.clearlight888music.com/catalog.htm (Andy G suplied mine-) 1) Comet Hotel 2) Estella futur they are worth having if you are into Blake, and the album is pretty great (IMHO) and on another subject, HAWKWIND related- could any of you with vinyl that you'd be willing to do a trade/swap/extortion, etc- look at your copy of the ROCKFILE REISSUE of the 1st LP, and if you see the Doremi logo that is on the back cover appearing in black ink, rather than red (this indicates a New Zealand press, or other) would you mail me?? PLEASE??? PRETTY PLEASE??? if it is in crappy shape- nevermind record can be an old party rag (Viv Akauldren anyone?) mike c From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Oct 30 08:21:57 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:21:57 +0800 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Ditto to that Rik Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > For what it's worth...I think it's a kewl web site, Rik. Keep it up!!! > It's amazing how some people can get anal retentive about shit. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Rx" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:38 PM > Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > > "Guido N. Vacano" Wrote: > > > > >"Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for maximum > > >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that doesn't > > >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a starry > > >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure your > > >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that > people > > >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the handy > > >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and most > > >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives you > > >an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone right > > >clicks on the page to view the code. > > > > Ahhh, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the approach to the > > Official HW site should be the same as that of a corporate or business > site. > > Of course it isn't. Hawkwind have always been about stimulation by visual > > media, at least in the 30+ years I have experienced them. Perhaps you > missed > > that little point. Of course, we could always make a sans-serif black text > > on a white background site for the chromatologically challenged, but I > think > > that really would be missing the point....... As we said, there *WILL* be > a > > printer-freindly extension to most key pages, with a gateway option from > the > > new sitemap. > > > > I have no idea what the following means: > > (yes - it is complicated isn't it !) > > > > >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the page's > > >own navigation,<> > > >People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? > > Hmmmm? > > > > With reguard to the right click disable which you find so interestingly > > irritating, ....if you had visited the site before, you will know that the > > site usually runs in a remote console ('kiosk mode') which removes the > > normal navigation keys on 80% of browsers, and gives a larger stage for > the > > graphic content to avoid scrolling etc. Without the navigation bar, the > only > > navigation options are via the right click menu (windows) or apple click > > dropdown on Mac. However we wanted to guarantee visitors used our own > > navigation system, so we disabled the the click. If you still can't > > understand this basic concept please mail me privately and I'll go through > > it S L O W E R :-} > > > > >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by > > >intention to fit an exacting brief. > > > > >Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. > What > > >the heck do you mean? > > > > Ahh... foiled by yet another complicated technical term eh? This refers to > > the detailed specifications for the site design given to me by the band. > > > > >Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of > > >"Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. > > > > So you teach too eh? - Rik > > > > >Guido > > > > >P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on the > > >subject. > > > > Yeah - me too! I got some seriously pointless JavaScript to write ! :-} > > > > Oh ya - by the way, I wouldn't have taken offence at your original post if > > it were merely constructive critisizm. I do believe that without such > useful > > feedback, none of us can learn, grow, and develop. Including a pointed > > reference to a third rate book on web design, however, smacked seriously > of > > taking the piss!!!! > > > > Rx > > > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 08:39:51 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:39:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:32:26 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:57:00 -0700, Guido N. Vacano >wrote: > >>Hello-- >> >> Thought you might enjoy this. :-) >> >>http://www.vacano.com/guido/hawk.jpg > >Link doesn't work. Well it's working now. Looks OK. Er, I don't know what else to say about it. I'm sure there are lots of clever, nay, *pungent* things to be said about Javascript and source code and general webby things. Anyone? Nick "Ned Lud" Medford PS: I offer this in place of any useful comments: http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html The great Thomas Pynchon on Ned Lud, science fiction, and the changing times. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Oct 30 08:42:30 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:42:30 -0500 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: Am putting maps and directions on the web page when locations are agreed. http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html >>>>> Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser dave hall writes: > Right make it the Griffin in Glasgow. Anyone need directions contact me > off-list. It'd be best to have directions online since most travellers probably won't know the pubs in other cities. FoFP From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Oct 30 09:06:29 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:06:29 -0500 Subject: new email addy Message-ID: Shaw is one of the largest cable operators in Canda, has been for ages, hence shaw.ca Useless information a speciality >>>> Subject: RE: new email addy Hi Is this meant to be a joke or what? How come my name and initials appears after the @ in this mail address? If it is meant to be funny it is not, if it is genuine could it be changed? Chris S From nycademon at HOME.COM Tue Oct 30 09:34:44 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:34:44 -0700 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop and Hawkwind's take on intellectual property In-Reply-To: <200110301339.IAA09266@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I guess the host was down when you tried earlier. Well, there's not much to be SAID about it, I guess. My point, I suppose, is that a site can perhaps satisfy an "exacting brief" without resorting to methods that may work on some browsers, but won't work on others. Of course, "my" site (http://eri.uchsc.edu) works like crap under Opera (a problem I'm going to try to address, though some pages, I think, are hopeless until Opera gets adequate javascript support). To make this at least a BIT topical, what's Hawkwind's policy on intellectual property, such as MP3s, concert recordings, images, videos, etc.? Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Nick Medford Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:40 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:32:26 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:57:00 -0700, Guido N. Vacano >wrote: > >>Hello-- >> >> Thought you might enjoy this. :-) >> >>http://www.vacano.com/guido/hawk.jpg > >Link doesn't work. Well it's working now. Looks OK. Er, I don't know what else to say about it. I'm sure there are lots of clever, nay, *pungent* things to be said about Javascript and source code and general webby things. Anyone? Nick "Ned Lud" Medford PS: I offer this in place of any useful comments: http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html The great Thomas Pynchon on Ned Lud, science fiction, and the changing times. From coral at APORT.RU Tue Oct 30 10:27:34 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:27:34 +0300 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL Message-ID: Hello! One friend recently told me that there is a cd by the band The Meads of Asphodel and Huw Lloyd Langton is playing guitar here. It is black metal with spacey synths... Tomorrow I will hear it and can tell more... Anyone heard of this? cheers, Alisa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 30 11:57:50 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:57:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL In-Reply-To: <000901c16157$670f75c0$6347efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: No!!! get all details!!! send link!!!! can you expedite the visit to now?? m From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 10:57:57 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:57:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try here for more info... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cathy.hawkes/meads/index.htm Cheers, R. > > > No!!! > > get all details!!! > > send link!!!! > > can you expedite the visit to now?? > m > From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Oct 30 11:20:22 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:20:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL Message-ID: Oh god, you have just gotta hear their version of assult & battery, i cant stop laughing, its like Lemmy singing with the worst sore throat very If this band play live I'll have to go just for this ROTFL regards Iain mike c wrote: > No!!! > > get all details!!! > > send link!!!! > > can you expedite the visit to now?? > m From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 30 12:39:02 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:39:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop Message-ID: i still can't get the link to work >From: Nick Medford >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:39:51 -0500 > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:32:26 -0500, Nick Medford >wrote: > > >On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:57:00 -0700, Guido N. Vacano > >wrote: > > > >>Hello-- > >> > >> Thought you might enjoy this. :-) > >> > >>http://www.vacano.com/guido/hawk.jpg > > > >Link doesn't work. > >Well it's working now. Looks OK. Er, I don't know what else to say about >it. I'm sure there are lots of clever, nay, *pungent* things to be said >about Javascript and source code and general webby things. Anyone? > >Nick "Ned Lud" Medford > >PS: I offer this in place of any useful comments: > >http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html > >The great Thomas Pynchon on Ned Lud, science fiction, and the changing >times. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 30 12:40:46 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:40:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: The site impressed me so much, that's why i e-mailed you for advice about webdesign, cool site and everyone i know thinks so >From: Bill & Cynthia >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:21:57 +0800 > >Ditto to that Rik > >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Clark" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:29 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > > For what it's worth...I think it's a kewl web site, Rik. Keep it up!!! > > It's amazing how some people can get anal retentive about shit. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rik Rx" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:38 PM > > Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > > > > > "Guido N. Vacano" Wrote: > > > > > > >"Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for >maximum > > > >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that >doesn't > > > >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a >starry > > > >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure >your > > > >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that > > people > > > >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the >handy > > > >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and >most > > > >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives >you > > > >an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone >right > > > >clicks on the page to view the code. > > > > > > Ahhh, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the approach to >the > > > Official HW site should be the same as that of a corporate or business > > site. > > > Of course it isn't. Hawkwind have always been about stimulation by >visual > > > media, at least in the 30+ years I have experienced them. Perhaps you > > missed > > > that little point. Of course, we could always make a sans-serif black >text > > > on a white background site for the chromatologically challenged, but I > > think > > > that really would be missing the point....... As we said, there *WILL* >be > > a > > > printer-freindly extension to most key pages, with a gateway option >from > > the > > > new sitemap. > > > > > > I have no idea what the following means: > > > (yes - it is complicated isn't it !) > > > > > > >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the >page's > > > >own navigation,<> > > > >People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? > > > Hmmmm? > > > > > > With reguard to the right click disable which you find so >interestingly > > > irritating, ....if you had visited the site before, you will know that >the > > > site usually runs in a remote console ('kiosk mode') which removes the > > > normal navigation keys on 80% of browsers, and gives a larger stage >for > > the > > > graphic content to avoid scrolling etc. Without the navigation bar, >the > > only > > > navigation options are via the right click menu (windows) or apple >click > > > dropdown on Mac. However we wanted to guarantee visitors used our own > > > navigation system, so we disabled the the click. If you still can't > > > understand this basic concept please mail me privately and I'll go >through > > > it S L O W E R :-} > > > > > > >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by > > > >intention to fit an exacting brief. > > > > > > >Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. > > What > > > >the heck do you mean? > > > > > > Ahh... foiled by yet another complicated technical term eh? This >refers >to > > > the detailed specifications for the site design given to me by the >band. > > > > > > >Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of > > > >"Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. > > > > > > So you teach too eh? - Rik > > > > > > >Guido > > > > > > >P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on >the > > > >subject. > > > > > > Yeah - me too! I got some seriously pointless JavaScript to write ! >:-} > > > > > > Oh ya - by the way, I wouldn't have taken offence at your original >post >if > > > it were merely constructive critisizm. I do believe that without such > > useful > > > feedback, none of us can learn, grow, and develop. Including a pointed > > > reference to a third rate book on web design, however, smacked >seriously > > of > > > taking the piss!!!! > > > > > > Rx > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Oct 30 12:47:51 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:47:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: Aye, have to agree there, everyone here thinks its a top site, and this is a Netscape office So more Java the better Regards iain Fraser Gray wrote: > The site impressed me so much, that's why i e-mailed you for advice about > webdesign, cool site and everyone i know thinks so > > > > >From: Bill & Cynthia > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:21:57 +0800 > > > >Ditto to that Rik > > > >Bill > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tom Clark" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:29 PM > >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > > > > > For what it's worth...I think it's a kewl web site, Rik. Keep it up!!! > > > It's amazing how some people can get anal retentive about shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rik Rx" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:38 PM > > > Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders > > > > > > > > > > "Guido N. Vacano" Wrote: > > > > > > > > >"Your lectures must really be something. Let's see. "Class, for > >maximum > > > > >effect, use lots of pointless JavaScript (you know, the kind that > >doesn't > > > > >really serve any useful function), use purple and yellow text on a > >starry > > > > >background, "beam" the text in a la Star Trek Transporter. Make sure > >your > > > > >site's "live" while you're implementing "better navigation" so that > > > people > > > > >can get completely lost and will have to make extensive use of the > >handy > > > > >dandy "back" button to get back to (one of two) "home" pages, and > >most > > > > >importantly, protect your kewl code with a cute javascript that gives > >you > > > > >an "Authorized Hawkwind Personnel Access Only!" popup when someone > >right > > > > >clicks on the page to view the code. > > > > > > > > Ahhh, you seem to be under the misapprehension that the approach to > >the > > > > Official HW site should be the same as that of a corporate or business > > > site. > > > > Of course it isn't. Hawkwind have always been about stimulation by > >visual > > > > media, at least in the 30+ years I have experienced them. Perhaps you > > > missed > > > > that little point. Of course, we could always make a sans-serif black > >text > > > > on a white background site for the chromatologically challenged, but I > > > think > > > > that really would be missing the point....... As we said, there *WILL* > >be > > > a > > > > printer-freindly extension to most key pages, with a gateway option > >from > > > the > > > > new sitemap. > > > > > > > > I have no idea what the following means: > > > > (yes - it is complicated isn't it !) > > > > > > > > >The click disable was simply put there to force people to use the > >page's > > > > >own navigation,<> > > > > >People navigate via right click (which was what I was talking about)? > > > > Hmmmm? > > > > > > > > With reguard to the right click disable which you find so > >interestingly > > > > irritating, ....if you had visited the site before, you will know that > >the > > > > site usually runs in a remote console ('kiosk mode') which removes the > > > > normal navigation keys on 80% of browsers, and gives a larger stage > >for > > > the > > > > graphic content to avoid scrolling etc. Without the navigation bar, > >the > > > only > > > > navigation options are via the right click menu (windows) or apple > >click > > > > dropdown on Mac. However we wanted to guarantee visitors used our own > > > > navigation system, so we disabled the the click. If you still can't > > > > understand this basic concept please mail me privately and I'll go > >through > > > > it S L O W E R :-} > > > > > > > > >However, the existing site is, and has always been, a "javafest" by > > > > >intention to fit an exacting brief. > > > > > > > > >Exacting brief? Can't remember the last time I heard anyone say that. > > > What > > > > >the heck do you mean? > > > > > > > > Ahh... foiled by yet another complicated technical term eh? This > >refers > >to > > > > the detailed specifications for the site design given to me by the > >band. > > > > > > > > >Hmmmm. . . . Well, you know what they say. Something to the effect of > > > > >"Those who can do. Those who can't teach" --Henry Louis Mencken. > > > > > > > > So you teach too eh? - Rik > > > > > > > > >Guido > > > > > > > > >P.S. My apologies to the list, this is my last post to the list on > >the > > > > >subject. > > > > > > > > Yeah - me too! I got some seriously pointless JavaScript to write ! > >:-} > > > > > > > > Oh ya - by the way, I wouldn't have taken offence at your original > >post > >if > > > > it were merely constructive critisizm. I do believe that without such > > > useful > > > > feedback, none of us can learn, grow, and develop. Including a pointed > > > > reference to a third rate book on web design, however, smacked > >seriously > > > of > > > > taking the piss!!!! > > > > > > > > Rx > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 13:10:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:10:00 +0000 Subject: Lucky Leif Message-ID: Anyone know the personnel for "Lucky Leif and the Longships"? Obviously Robert Calvert, and I think I can hear Nik Turner in there as well.... Who else? I haven't got the original sleeve notes, obviously. TIA ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Oct 30 13:31:33 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:31:33 +0100 Subject: Lucky Leif In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Fraser Rudolph: Bass, rhythm and lead guits, Back vox, perc Mike Nichols: Drums and Perc Brian Turrington: Bass, Piano Sal Maida: Bass Andy Roberts: Kriwaczek string organ, guitar, harmonica, back vax, perc. Michael Moorcock: Banjo Nik Turner: Sax Robert Calvert: Voice, Fjord-horn, trumpet, harmonica, percussion, globe, Aeolian piano. Simon House: Violin Produced by Eno Engineered by Rhett Davies Only three bassists, Nik's Hawkestra wins ! Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 30 13:29:14 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:29:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just got me 'Yule Ritual' in the post yesterday (huge thanks to MC) and threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. Anyway, my question is...I distinctly heard the band intros at the start of the show, and one Harvey Bainbridge is announced, but as I look at the credits in the booklet, I do not see Harvey's name listed. Is this just an unintentional oversight/typographical error? Having just talked to the man, I can't imagine what else it could be. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Why is "Money Tree" the only title written with Capital letters? P.P.S. The back cover art is better than the front cover art IMHO. From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Oct 30 13:51:01 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:51:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop and Hawkwind's take on intellectual property Message-ID: Dave Brock was asked a similar question on one of the IRC chats - specifically about CDR trees. He said something along the lines of "the problem is that it deters major labels from offering Hawkwind a record deal" and that "unfortunately the artist often has to pay to play" Mission Control does refer the user to sites that offer limited excerpts of HW tracks, on *.MP3 and *.WAV. I think you can infer from this that Hawkwind do not want to see entire songs available for free download, for the same reason that they can't endorse the trading of CDR's. I have known the band to want copies of photos/video footage from live gigs and so far as I know have never had any problem with this. And I've never seen or heard anything that suggests any problem with copying of images (e.g. album covers). I could be wrong though :-) Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:34:44 -0700, Guido N. Vacano wrote: <> >To make this at least a BIT topical, what's Hawkwind's policy on >intellectual property, such as MP3s, concert recordings, images, videos, >etc.? > >Guido > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Oct 30 13:54:32 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:54:32 -0600 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: <200110301342.IAA09339@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Z E Itgeist wrote: :Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser : :Am putting maps and directions on the web page when locations are agreed. : :http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html : Hey... To add to this page: I'm probably going to be at: nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow Eric Siegerman (who I really need to call about arrangements...sorry Eric, life's been hellish) previously indicated that he'd be at cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow (roughly, and he should confirm that.) Denis Regenbrecht will probably be at Walthamstow, will a few others. Thanks, Arin (the terribly stressed) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 30 13:49:17 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:49:17 -0500 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: Hi again... I'm up to Track 5 ("Flying Doctor") and I'm hearing Ron Tree singing, and he isn't credited with vocals on this track. And Moorcock is...but of course, that's Track 6 (over the phone)...which is just starting - came through a lot better than I would have guessed. I'm also looking at a photo of Huwy with an acoustic guitar (that's him, innit?), and am not seeing him in the credits either. How many other inaccuracies are there? I'm not sure about the writing credits...I was thinking that perhaps Motorway City (HLL?) and/or Freefall (Calvert?) had multiple credits originally, but perhaps I'm remembering wrong. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Is that Jerry (in the high-top court shoes) standing next to Ali in the upper left photo on the second page of photos? Who's in the bottom right corner (also upper right corner of last page)? Harvey? Everyone else is pretty obvious. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 30 13:39:14 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:39:14 -0000 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou Message-ID: yep - Mike sums it up - hwat he read was an interview I did with Tim Blake way back and it is true that he plays for no more than a couple of mins, altho' he seemed to recall he didn;t actually play on it at all in the end. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou > <<"Does anyone have any views on this album Tim Blake features on?">> Eddie > > > Like it- cool pic's on inner gatefold including Tim, however I believe I > read that Tim just "happened" to be in the studios that day, and couldn't > have played on more than a couple minutes of it.... > > If you are already a fan of Clearlight- recommended- if you are a Blake > completist- recommended- if you are looking to go to an underwater alien > base, or repeat the "Symphony" experience- may want to pass, maybe get > THE DELIRED CAMELION FAMILY instead, as this will get you heading down into > the ocean waves a bit faster and more intense, I think..... > > I saw mention also where Blake's rare Surf 45 was being dicusssed- Owners > of ornithological pets will be well pleased........ > m From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Oct 30 13:40:19 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:40:19 -0000 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou Message-ID: no - Delired on CD is readily available is absolutely top notch and obtainable from CD Services with all other Clear Light CD's, especially the first two!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou > some more:-)! ? > > The Clearlight titles including the above are on CD now- > > the original LP's of "Delired" and "Les Contes" can be a bit pricey, > especially the "Delired" which is very rare, although I think I may have > just seen a vinyl reissue, and if anyone can confirm this for me I would > greatly appreciate- also most (people) probably want CD's..... > > But the reason I submit this, there is a CD of Christian Boule's "Photo > Musik" that has been recently put onto CD, with 2 bonus tracks by Tim Blake > that have been snuck onto the end of it- > > they are link-> http://www.clearlight888music.com/catalog.htm > (Andy G suplied mine-) > > 1) Comet Hotel > > 2) Estella futur > > they are worth having if you are into Blake, and the album is pretty great > (IMHO) > > and on another subject, HAWKWIND related- could any of you with vinyl > that you'd be willing to do a trade/swap/extortion, etc- look at your copy > of the ROCKFILE REISSUE of the 1st LP, and if you see the Doremi logo that > is on the back cover appearing in black ink, rather than red (this > indicates a New Zealand press, or other) would you mail me?? PLEASE??? > PRETTY PLEASE??? > > if it is in crappy shape- nevermind > > record can be an old party rag (Viv Akauldren anyone?) > > mike c From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Oct 30 14:25:45 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:25:45 -0000 Subject: Lucky Leif Message-ID: Interesting collection of musos on that album, which goes to prove the whole isn't always equal to the sum of the parts. Or something. For reference, Sal Maida was Roxy Music's road bassist, and only played on Ship of Fools. Andy Roberts has the distinction of once being the musical director for The Scaffold. A challenging job, I would have thought. Still, we all have our cross to bear. Brian Turrington was a regular session player for Brian Eno. I refer you to Mick Farren's 'Give The Anarchist A Cigarrette' for more on Paul Rudolph, or Black George as he sometimes liked to be known ("Avaarst, me lubbers!"). No idea who that Turner bloke was, though. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Magnusson To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Lucky Leif > Paul Fraser Rudolph: Bass, rhythm and lead guits, Back vox, perc > Mike Nichols: Drums and Perc > Brian Turrington: Bass, Piano > Sal Maida: Bass > Andy Roberts: Kriwaczek string organ, guitar, harmonica, back vax, perc. > Michael Moorcock: Banjo > Nik Turner: Sax > Robert Calvert: Voice, Fjord-horn, trumpet, harmonica, percussion, > globe, Aeolian piano. > Simon House: Violin > > Produced by Eno > Engineered by Rhett Davies > > Only three bassists, Nik's Hawkestra wins ! > > Kenneth > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 30 14:22:41 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:22:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10.00 +0000 01-10-30, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > The Mac IE is far, far better than the Windows version >?! >HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!! >Oh - I see Carl. You mean "much better" in the "doesn't work properly" >sense, yes? >:-) ;) No, I mean, it's actually much better than the Windows version. I really didn't want to believe that myself, but I'm afraid I've had no choice. Having had used various iterations of Netscape and IE on both platforms (Win and MacOS) virtually every day, either at work or at home, for the last several years, I have to say that my findings are that IE works better on a Mac than on a Windows PC. For that matter, the Mac versions of MS Office from 98 onwards have been better than the Windows versions. Seriously. I attribute this to three factors: 1) the Mac versions usually come out significantly after the Windows versions, so the MS Mac team has a chance to get rid of all the dumbass things the Windows programmers did; 2) The Mac versions are bolted to stupid things in Windows :) and 3) based on conversations with some of some of my mates who work in variously the Redmond and Cambridge, UK offices, the MS Mac team is generally regarded as having their shit together. There's still plenty of bollocks in MS Mac products because, well, they _are_ MS products ;) But not nearly as much in the Windows versions. I'm still liking OmniWeb quite well on OS X.1 though :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Gov't Mule, _The Deep End: Vol. 1_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Oct 30 14:36:29 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:36:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fun with PhotoShop and Hawkwind's take on intellectual property In-Reply-To: <200110301851.NAA10998@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 13.51 -0500 01-10-30, Moonglum . wrote: >Dave Brock was asked a similar question on one of the IRC chats - >specifically about CDR trees. He said something along the lines of "the >problem is that it deters major labels from offering Hawkwind a record >deal" and that "unfortunately the artist often has to pay to play" Hmmm, I certainly can't think of any bands who permit -- nay, encourage! -- fan recording and have scored major label contracts, as well as seen tremendous success with big-selling tours .... Oh, wait, yes I can think of loads, actually ;) I rather suspect the vast flood of dodgy recordings from various sources that have come out over the years have something to do with Hawkwind not getting a major label contract. Since a punter who knows nothing about the band or its releases walks into a shop and can't tell the difference between a pile of dire recordings from gods-know-what-label and a totally brilliant gem of an album just by looking -- well, no major label is going to go there! Since the whole Hawkestra reunion angle fell through (over the course of several years), my guess is that only through a few years of hardcore touring, playing brilliant shows, and releasing a few cooking albums on small labels (or on their own) will Hawkwind have much chance of getting major label contracts and support. And the fact is that all the evidence points to an open taping policy aiding that process -- there are any numbers of bands who've taken that route in the last decade or so and done very well by it indeed. All IMO, but I'd be willing to bet on it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 30 14:38:33 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:38:33 +0000 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <200110301906.OAA28831@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I can answer most of these from having been there, but can't tell you anything about the photos, artwork etc. as I don't have the CD yet. So: 1. Harvey was indeed there throughout HW's set. 2. Definitely Ron singing Flying Doctor 3. Huw didn't play with HW, maybe he would have come on for the encore had there been time for one, as he was hanging around at the back of the stage towards the end of the set. He did however play some solo acoustic numbers earlier in the afternoon. 4. Free Fall is Bainbridge/Calvert, or at least it was in 1978... 5. Motorway City is Brock hope this helps In message <200110301906.OAA28831 at mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >Hi again... > >I'm up to Track 5 ("Flying Doctor") and I'm hearing Ron Tree singing, and he >isn't credited with vocals on this track. And Moorcock is...but of course, >that's Track 6 (over the phone)...which is just starting - came through a >lot better than I would have guessed. > >I'm also looking at a photo of Huwy with an acoustic guitar (that's him, >innit?), and am not seeing him in the credits either. > >How many other inaccuracies are there? I'm not sure about the writing >credits...I was thinking that perhaps Motorway City (HLL?) and/or Freefall >(Calvert?) had multiple credits originally, but perhaps I'm remembering wrong. > >Grakkl (FAA) > >P.S. Is that Jerry (in the high-top court shoes) standing next to Ali in the >upper left photo on the second page of photos? Who's in the bottom right >corner (also upper right corner of last page)? Harvey? Everyone else is >pretty obvious. -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 30 15:12:00 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:47:42 -0600, mike c wrote: >record can be an old party rag (Viv Akauldren anyone?) Of course! "Spare Me" (ah yes, the 1980's, when there were all of about 3 spacerock bands in the entire USA, most of whom were only releasing cassettes) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Oct 30 15:13:45 2001 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:13:45 -0500 Subject: hiatus and question for all.. Message-ID: Sloterdijk will be on a general hiatus throughout the winter, with the possible exception of perhaps a few small acoustic shows. There will definitely be a new cd released in the spring. I have new material, but also a plethora of live material from SD 99 to the present. I am considering putting together a live or partially live cd, so I am asking people what tunes and or performances they are interested in hearing..Drop me a direct note if you have an idea...Peace, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) www.mp3.com/sloterdijk From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 30 15:21:51 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:21:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Lucky Leif Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:25:45 -0000, Captain Bl at ck wrote: >Interesting collection of musos on that album, ... much like producer Brian Eno's solo albums at the time. >For reference, Sal Maida was Roxy Music's road bassist, ... a band who could easily beat Nik's Hawkestra if they put all their ex- bassists onstage together! >Andy Roberts has the distinction of once being the musical director for The >Scaffold. A challenging job, I would have thought. Still, we all have our >cross to bear. > >Brian Turrington was a regular session player for Brian Eno. ... as was (of course) Rudolph. Wasn't Turrington in the Winkies, who backed Eno on the (awesome!) "Seven Deadly Finns" 7"? And were supposed to be his backing band on tour (before his lung collapsed)? Thanks for the info on Andy Roberts (I never would have known). Any idea who Mike Nichols was (was he in the Winkies w/Turrington or am I barking up the wrong tree)? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kenneth Magnusson >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:31 PM >Subject: Re: Lucky Leif > > >> Paul Fraser Rudolph: Bass, rhythm and lead guits, Back vox, perc >> Mike Nichols: Drums and Perc >> Brian Turrington: Bass, Piano >> Sal Maida: Bass >> Andy Roberts: Kriwaczek string organ, guitar, harmonica, back vax, perc. >> Michael Moorcock: Banjo >> Nik Turner: Sax >> Robert Calvert: Voice, Fjord-horn, trumpet, harmonica, percussion, >> globe, Aeolian piano. >> Simon House: Violin >> >> Produced by Eno >> Engineered by Rhett Davies >> >> Only three bassists, Nik's Hawkestra wins ! >> >> Kenneth >> ------- >> Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ >> The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Oct 30 15:35:39 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:35:39 -0500 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:54:32PM -0600 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 12:54:32PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > Eric Siegerman (who I really need to call about arrangements...sorry Eric, > life's been hellish) previously indicated that he'd be at cardiff, > hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow (roughly, and he > should confirm that.) Precisely, and confirmed :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Oct 30 15:51:37 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:51:37 -0000 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 3. Huw didn't play with HW, maybe he would have come on for the encore > had there been time for one, as he was hanging around at the back of the > stage towards the end of the set. He did however play some solo acoustic > numbers earlier in the afternoon. > > I reckon that the photos (some of them at least are from Croydon). Huw came on for some the set there and I reckon I can just about make out part of my head down at the front in one pic. Unusually for me I was nowhere near the front at the Astoria. Nick From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 30 15:55:28 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:55:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Poco/Springfield was Lemmy on US network TV Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:31:49 -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: >No sarcasm intended. >In order >Still, Furay, Martin (whose Medicine Ball album is an undiscovered gem - >just sold mine after much begging and pleading, after that doen't really >matter much:-) Nice to see someone bucking the "conventional wisdom" (even if I may not agree ... I don't even like "For What It's Worth", and just the other day, "Bluebird" [long version] was being played somewhere, and all I could think was, "man, this is no 'Broken Arrow'!" ... sorry, ok, I'll shut up now and say NOTHING about "Love the One You're With"). But you *gotta* check out the Bruce Palmer solo album ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Oct 30 16:05:39 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:05:39 -0500 Subject: HW: NIK: ICU Maximum Effect In-Reply-To: <200110281851.NAA28667@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 01:51:53PM -0500 Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 01:51:53PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > fake oldie jazz ("In the Mood") [on Maximum Effect] That'd be "f***ed oldie jazz". It's no way "fake"! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 30 16:39:35 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:39:35 -0500 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:29:14 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Just got me 'Yule Ritual' in the post yesterday (huge thanks to MC) Me, too! (Thanks Andy G!) >and threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. Yes, the sound is great, BUT ... I have a major problem with one aspect of the mastering (DEFINITELY the mastering, and NOT the recording or mix ... I hope that Dallas Simpson did that job for cheap or free - I personally would NOT allow him anywhere near a "rock band" mastering job - he should stick with the techno). >Anyway, my question is...I distinctly heard the band intros at the >start of the show, and one Harvey Bainbridge is announced, but as I >look at the credits in the booklet, I do not see Harvey's name listed. >Is this just an unintentional oversight/typographical error? Having >just talked to the man, I can't imagine what else it could be. Um, yes. He's definitely missing from the credits (and, as far as I can tell, the photos). On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:49:17 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >I'm up to Track 5 ("Flying Doctor") and I'm hearing Ron Tree singing, >and he isn't credited with vocals on this track. And Moorcock is... >but of course, that's Track 6 (over the phone)...which is just starting > - came through a lot better than I would have guessed. And yes, the vocal credits are completely off. It's not at all tough to figure out who-sings-what, though. >How many other inaccuracies are there? I'm not sure about the writing >credits...I was thinking that perhaps Motorway City (HLL?) As previously noted, "Motorway City" is, and always has been, exclusively a Brock composition. >and/or Freefall (Calvert?) had multiple credits originally, ... and "Flying Doctor", and "High Rise" (the writing credits appear to be correct for all the non-Calvert songs, though). Some people never die. >P.S. Is that Jerry (in the high-top court shoes) standing next to Ali in >the upper left photo on the second page of photos? That would be my guess. >Who's in the bottom right corner (also upper right corner of last page)? >Harvey? Can't you tell by the hat? ;^) (actually, you can't really see the hat in the photos, unfortunately, but you do mean the guy in the mask, right?) Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that would be our own mr. Kniveton. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Tue Oct 30 14:38:10 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:38:10 +0300 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL Message-ID: > Oh god, you have just gotta hear their version of assult & battery, i > cant stop laughing, its like Lemmy singing with the worst sore throat > very I guess these are the standard black metal vocals :). Anyway I'll listen to album tomorrow :). cheers, Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Tue Oct 30 17:16:04 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:16:04 +0300 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: I think it's one of the best HW concerts but one of the worst cover artworks and inlays. So many errors and mistakes! Alisa From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 30 17:45:59 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:45:59 EST Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: Dear Keith, I can tell you that Harvey certainly played the show, and is certainly right there in the mix on the CD, so I'd assume it was an oversight in the liner notes. Yours, Eli F. In a message dated 10/30/01 1:47:24 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << Anyway, my question is...I distinctly heard the band intros at the start of the show, and one Harvey Bainbridge is announced, but as I look at the credits in the booklet, I do not see Harvey's name listed. Is this just an unintentional oversight/typographical error? Having just talked to the man, I can't imagine what else it could be. >> From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Oct 30 17:49:21 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:49:21 EST Subject: AP Message-ID: AP ....the best.....no????? Doug...play NYC????? Best regards, Bill Sterwart From coral at APORT.RU Tue Oct 30 17:56:55 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:56:55 +0300 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: > >and threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. > > Yes, the sound is great, BUT ... I have a major problem with one aspect of It's incredible fantastic in headphones! Alice From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 30 18:18:17 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:18:17 EST Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/01 10:59:08 PM GMT Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > > >and threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. > > > > Yes, the sound is great, BUT ... I have a major problem with one aspect of > > It's incredible fantastic in headphones! > > Alice Why only mail order though? Steve. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 30 20:31:38 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:31:38 -0600 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"Why only mail order though?">> Steve. It's all Steve Swans fault.... maybe it's to point at Andy G- help his sales, etc- (and I bet there are another one or 2 places that got them as well) gives them "an edge". and about that cover art- surely the cover itself is OK? it's just the inner layout and credit fobs right? I really like the cover art as do I really also like the fellow BOC-L'ers that did it........ m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Oct 30 20:33:49 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:33:49 -0600 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou In-Reply-To: <017301c16178$0466cba0$f90fbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >-- No to which Andy?? No Viv Akauldren?? No Bone Movies? (wasn't that what Ozzie was saying?) No Delired Cameleon vinyl reissue??? No Christian Boule "Photo Musik"?? and in further comment, while the "Les Conte" is a bit sparse on the classic Blake sound, alternately, the Delired has a bunch of freaked out places that sure do sound like Tim doing it, while he is only credited with percussion and tampoora- what is tampoora anyway? m From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 30 19:56:56 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:56:56 +0000 Subject: Lucky Leif In-Reply-To: <00f301c16179$b14c76c0$aa0c28d5@starfield> Message-ID: At 19:25 30/10/01, you wrote: >Andy Roberts has the distinction of once being the musical director for The >Scaffold. A challenging job, I would have thought. Still, we all have our >cross to bear. He was also one of Roy Harper's occasional side kicks... brill solo album called "Homegrown" (wonder what that's about???) ChrisW NP: "Curly's Airships" by Chris "Judge" Smith (finally about to get a full retail release - and deservedly so) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Oct 30 20:01:39 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:01:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Lucky Leif In-Reply-To: <200110302021.PAA12185@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 20:21 30/10/01, you wrote: > >Brian Turrington was a regular session player for Brian Eno. > >... as was (of course) Rudolph. Wasn't Turrington in the Winkies, who >backed Eno on the (awesome!) "Seven Deadly Finns" 7"? And were supposed to >be his backing band on tour (before his lung collapsed)? I think so... they were also the "Warm Jets" I did see them once in their own right, and was sorely disappointed, but their album is a bit of a forgotten classic... "Davey's Blowtorch", "North To Alaska" & "Trust In Dick" I remember well, wonder whatever happened to my MC of that albbum *sigh* ChrisW From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 30 23:22:31 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:22:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: CD sale Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, as I was saying in my SD2001 review, I didn't really do any sales at the show, so the items I'd been saving up I still have. And now I have to pay off my hotel bill for the two days, and my cc full of CD purchases. So I guess if nobody minds too much about me using boc-l as a medium for commercialization (hey, I just gave away free stuff last week!), here's what I have to offer. First come, first served. A large majority of these are things that I already owned and picked up at second hand shops around the area for trading/offering at SD's, so these aren't things I don't recommend (unless noted). Of course, respond off-list (henderson.120 at osu.edu) Grakkl (FAA) Space/Psych/Post-Rock: Alchemysts - Zero Zen (most recent effort by heavy psych-rock band on Woronzow/Rubric) $7 Asha Vida - Nature's Clumsy Hands (Experimental post-rock from Detroit) $6 Asteroid #4 - Apple Street EP (more 60s retro psych than "Introducing...") $5 Bardo Pond - Amanita (psychedelic drone, my favorite of theirs) $6 Robert Calvert - Freq (Cleo version w/ Hornets/Greenfly single) $6 Circle - Pori (Great, brilliant, hypno-space-industrial group from Finland, US version) $7 Martijn de Kleer - Flow (Pink Dots' guitarist, folksy dreamy stuff) $6 Ebeling Hughes - Transformed Night (laid-back, slow-moving textural space) $6 Foreign Spaces - Dark Star (pretty cool ambient/electronic works, German) $8 Guru Guru - Live '98 (2xLP) (gatefold, all but two tracks from the 1998 material on the 3CD box release, great reunion show w/ Genrich, Suzuki, Karoli, others guesting) $12 + extra $1 shipping Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warlords (Cleo comp., decent enough) $6 Steve Hillage - Live in Concert (BBC show, sl. different packaging) $7 Hopewell - The Curved Glass (a little better than Flaming Lips/Mercury Rev IMHO) $6 Komeda - The Genius of Komeda (Swedish fun pop group with strong kraut tendencies) $6 Legendary Pink Dots - Hallway of the Gods (recent work, several great tunes) $7 Lithium X-Mas - Bad Karma (psych rock, many covers including Magnu) $6 Mercury Rev - See You On The Other Side (Don't care for trumpets in 'space rock') $5 Monster Magnet - 25....tab (long-winded psychedelic excursions, before MTV) $6 Novadriver - Void (Blue collar stoner rock from Detroit) $6 Sabine - Sabine (DC-area experimental post-rock band, water damage to booklet) $3 777 - System 7.3 (2xCD) - Fire & Water (one techno - ick; one space/ambient - cool) $10 Adrian Shaw - Head Cleaner (first solo CD...not bad, w/ drum machine on all but 2 tracks...Nick S., S. House, B. Watts guest) $7 Sky Cries Mary - A Return to the Inner Experience (Seattle modern-space collective) $6 Spacehead - In Space We Trust (Compilation of material from '95-'98, crunchy) $8 Spiral Realms - Trip to G9 (Simon's first under this moniker) $7 ST37 - Spaceage (Nice space/psych album from Texas band, several classic covers) $8 SunDial - Other Way Out (Gary Ramon & Co....very nice disc!) $7 Tortoise - TNT (Famous Chicago post-rock outfit, well respected album) $6 Tristeza - Dream Signals in Full Circles (spacey post-rock, some Neu! ripoffs) $7 Nik Turner - Prophets of Time (zero continuity hodge-podge) $5 Vagtazo Halottkemek - Dancing with the Sun (Crazy Hungarian group) $6 Zendik Orgaztra - Dance of the Cozmic Warriorz (totally off-the-wall psych) $6 Others: (for any two you select from the above, you can have 50% off one of these below - I'll honor those you choose that someone else has already snagged, that is if you manage to claim for yourself at least one thing from the above) Blue Oyster Cult - Heaven Forbid $4 Brain Surgeons - Eponymous $4 The Buck Pets - To The Quick (grundgey band from Dallas) $4 Deep Purple - Purpendicular (Recent work w/ Morse) $3 (used) $5 (sealed) Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity $5 Edith - A Space Between Ever and Never (like iQ with lousy drummer) $6 fIREHOSE - Flyin' the Flannel $4 Flotilla - Flotilla (modern poppy electronic works, Sky Cries Mary labelmates) $5 It Bites - Once Around the World EP (Hillage-produced poppy prog-metal) $5 Jadis - More than Meets the Eye (neo-prog) $6 Markus James - Season of Dread (Bay Area eastern psych-flavored stuff) $5 Marillion - Clutching at Straws $5 Marillion - B-Sides Themselves (UK) $7 Marillion - Real to Reel (UK) $7 Marillion - The Thieving Magpie (first disc only...various Fish material) $4 Mother Love Bone (pre-Pearl Jam) - Self-titled 2CD $6 Motorhead - Orgasmatron (Sinclair release) $6 Bob Mould - Workbook $5 Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime $4 Strontium 90 - Police Academy (The Police & Gong's Mike Howlett) $5 Roger Taylor - Happiness? (Queen drummer/guitarist/vocalist) $6 TNR - The Chessboard (Hammill-ish Italian band) $6 Treponem Pal - Aggravation (nasty French band) $4 UFO - Walk on Water (Reunion album w/ Schenker/Mogg/Way) $5 Velvet Underground - The Best of... $5 US Domestic Shipping - $1 for 1st, $1 additional up to $3 max (unlimited #) - specify w/ or w/o jewel boxes (cut Shipping by 50% for w/o) For Overseas or Canada - write to work out payment/shipping From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 30 21:09:21 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:09:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: Well, all this talk of the 80s has got me thinking back - wow that was a long time ago. I'm sure my memory is defective in many places, so if you catch errors in what follows, well, I wouldn't be surprised. At the risk of losing credibility - what's that you say, that's not a problem? - oh good, thanks - I'll admit to having been a follower of punk and metal during much of the early 80's, though partially by default - as everyone has already pointed out, for complex interesting music and especially for space/psych/kraut-rock you pretty much had to go back to your 70s artists, not much new coming out really scratched that itch. There were however most definitely alternatives to the popular drivel polluting the airwaves, its just that maybe those alternatives were equally unpalatable to listmembers, just in a different way. Both punk and metal (real metal, not false metal!), and later the much less interesting fusion of the two, were always around and usually explicitly positioned themselves in opposition to so-called popular music. Ah, looking back - liking both 70s prog and 80s metal - and having friends who did too - could lead to culture clash, such as 5 of us going to see Yes on tour while wearing identical Motorhead shirts or wearing a tie-dye Jethro Tull T-shirt to see Carnivore at L'Amours, the latter not recommended unless going with a large group of friends (or a group of large friends). Living in NYC I had access to some interesting-for-the-time radio shows, most memorably Deathrider and Corpsegrinder doing their Hellhole show broadcast on NYU's radio station. There were also some NJ stations (WSOU, WDHA) that had decent metal shows as well as something called Midnight Metal from the Rochester area that I occasionally picked up and WFMU could usually be counted on to occasionally play some interesting underground stuff. All these were eventually yanked or degenerated into pap (except FMU), but for a time they were an antidote to crap radio and MTV. Several people have mentioned Husker Du, and they might be (along with Metallica) the 'underground' band with the most important and lasting legacy vis a vis music that is actually known to the masses - I thought they were great throughout their SST years - I didn't much go for their later stuff, probably as a result of my perception of their moving in a more 'commercial' direction (but then a few years later I saw Bob Mould doing what must have been a post-Huskers pre-Sugar solo tour, just him on stage with an acoustic(?) guitar and I remember that as being a tremendously impressive performance). And speaking of SST, that label had some great bands on it - looming large in my memory are Saint Vitus and Overkill (later Overkill L.A., not the NYC band of the same name) - I still dig out that vinyl once in a while. A guilty pleasure maybe - nah, no guilt, it's still great stuff! Both those bands were more metal (in Black Sabbath / Motorhead veins respectively) than the rest of that label's output, but they were also clearly influenced by the punk/hardcore/underground sounds of their labelmates. And while punk may have started to degenerate, a lot of new punk/hardcore bands put out some interesting stuff before turning into rote hardcore (Agnostic Front), playing the punk/metal crossover game (GBH, FUs -> Straw Dogs, even the Misfits), or going off on weird tangents (Discharge). And two of the best punk bands EVER (IMHO), Minor Threat and the Bad Brains, officially released all their best material in the early 80s. Then there was the NWOBHM - Iron Maiden, Saxon, Tank, Demon, to name a few of the more famous, all of whom had at least a few albums that aren't embarassing today, and some that still hold up as great music in any company, as well as some lesser exponents, Tygres of Pan Tang, Tysondog, Witchfynde, and Witchfinder General, to name a few I remember fondly. And of course pop/hair metal may have been what was on the airwaves, but thrash, death, black, and doom metal all came into focus during the 80s as well. Despite their current iffy status, Metallica were quite exciting when they first showed up. And again, a whole lot of bands put out some interesting material before turning into parodies of themselves (Mercyful Fate/King Diamond, Venom), or eventually merging into indistinguishability (Slayer, Sodom, Kreator, Death Angel, Destruction, Bathory, etc.) A few of these bands even managed to continue moving in interesting directions after good to excellent starts, whether successfully (Voivod) or not (Anthrax, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost). All IMHO of course. I will readily admit that a lot of this stuff was pretty much of its time, and really doesn't hold up well after all these years, but my point is that there was definitley an anti-MTV underground scene, you just had to look for it, and maybe you didn't like it when you found it. By the last third of the 80s, stagnation had pretty much settled in, but then the industrial genre reached critical mass and began spewing forth a great many interesting new bands, as well as all sorts of experimental/ambient/noise offshoots, which to this day continue to feed interesting music and concepts into the space genre - thats a more interesting and relevant topic to explore, but I think its about time to end this nostalgia trip. Now I've got a hankering for some Blessed Death ... Kill or be Killed! Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 30 21:09:24 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:09:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: HowToMakeLove, not (Browser) War(s) Message-ID: I'm not taking sides here, just making some comments... As a developer, you can't necessarily tell people to upgrade - especially with large corporations and governement agencies, there are often rules that specify what may be on the computers at a given site. We run into this problem all the time in our work - to get something up and running, you can often take shortcuts and make assumptions as to available software/hardware, but once it IS running, you have to go back and make sure that things will work everywhere, not just for the specific configuration you've initially developed/tested on. In our shop we have everything from DOS 3.3 to Windows XP in the M$ world, IE AND Netscape, etc. I personally still use Win95 OSR2 and IE 4.0, not for any special reason, just because it's there and I haven't had any compelling reason to upgrade. The official Hawkwind site crashes my copy of IE 4.0 when I access the lyrics pages - but it isn't necessarily IE that is the problem - IE 4.0 running on NT 4.00 does not crash. It's not necessarily the OS either - the NT machine has a lot more RAM, it might be a memory problem. In any case, there is something not 100% about the code - no offense to Rik Rx - as a programmer (though not JavaScript) I can appreciate the work he has put into the site - and the questionable behavior some of us are seeing isn't all that consistent or easy to track down, at least not on my machine. My own experience with these kinds of problems would lead me to first check my memory usage - buffer overruns, illegal allocations/deallocations, assigning illegal values to variables, assuming memory is available when it might not be, that kind of thing - but again, I have no JavaScript experience so I'll leave it to Rik to work on this. Also, it is not very helpful for people to just say, 'Well, the site crashes my browser, it sucks'. For the developer to address the issue, s/he needs to know something about what was happening when the crash occurred. We have a wide spectrum of OSs and browsers in use on this list, if everyone who experienced problems would try to note down where the problem occurred and what they were doing at the time, and then forwarded the info to Rik, eventually he would figure out was going on, he could fix his code, and it would become more stable (and portable). If Rik wishes, I can try to pinpoint the exact behavior causing the crash on my system(s) - but the impending re-design may obviate the need to find out where the problem was anyway. Once the new design is up and running, I would recommend that any problems we encounter be logged and forwarded to Rik - provided he agrees of course - and that way everyone should eventually be able to access the site w/o problems. Just my opinion. Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 30 21:09:23 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:09:23 -0500 Subject: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts Message-ID: >Cranium Music Closing Down Sale >The end of the road has arrived for Cranium Music as a seller of >Progressive, Krautrock, Spacerock & Electronic music. Well that sucks. I'd like to thank Richard for many years of fine music and information about new bands, thanks Richard. We will miss Cranium Music. Now where will I get my Circle fix? Stephan From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 30 21:09:31 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:09:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: I don't have it in front of me, but I'm pretty sure the Yule Ritual credits fail to mention Bob for either High Rise or Free Fall. Stephan From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 31 02:35:31 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:35:31 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: SD2001 Message-ID: Checking up on my confusion, >>Most obscure cover tune - Rick Ray (obviously a Hendrix/Trower freak - he >>played Too Rolling Stoned as proof of the latter, and an excerpt of Third >>Rock as proof of the former) doing Mick Bolton-era UFO's song "Catch a >>Falling Star" or whatever the title is. A couple of us recognized it too >>(though I couldn't remember who it was until he announced it at the end >>admittedly). Somewhere I have a copy of "Space Metal." Prince Kajuku is a >>wonder. > >maybe it was Heavy Liquid (Blue Cheer/MC5-type power trio) that did the UFO >tune? I dunno...Jerry took the notes, he'll do the proper review, wontcha >Jerry? OK, well yes it was Heavy Liquid. And duh...the song they did *was* Prince Kajuku, the one I remember I liked from 'Space Metal,' which is just (of course) a compilation double-LP from UFO's first 3 albums (one live). I think the track in question was from UFO 2, but not sure about that. Man, I hadn't pulled out that old album in a decade I bet. UFO was pretty cool, even before Schenker arrived on the scene. A bit of trivia - Bernie Marsden replaced Mick Bolton before Schenker joined. So there's a UFO - Hawkwind link via the Marsden connection to Paice, Ashton, and Lord, and the Paul Martinez connection from PAL to Richard Strange and hence, Martin Griffin. I'm guessing there are others, maybe with Pete Way or something. Can't remember who was in that 'Waysted' band he had in that awful 80s period. They were pretty damn bad from what I remember. Jerry tells me Pete Way lives here in Columbus now! That's whack! Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Into the Abyss - adrenochrome (Anyone else know this band? They're really good!) From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 03:26:43 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:26:43 -0500 Subject: HW:Yule Ritual Message-ID: Hi, What is the score with Voiceprint and Yule Ritual - a few points. Without wishing to upset the mail order folks (hi Andy, Stuart and all) it is confusing that you can get Yule Ritual via mail order but you can't walk into a record store and actually see and touch a copy. I can go into HMV in Liverpool and they have racks full of many Hawkwind CD's including many of the dodgy Dave Anderson type releases in their many forms. They also have SOME of the other Voiceprint releases but they ship out of the store pretty quickly. Talking to the staff in the store they get really pee'd off with the way that certain NAME artists have their release promoted for weeks; for example, the new Michael Jackson CD will get heavy promotion for months but new releases by artists such as Hawkwind, Kings X and Demon will be impossible to find. Spoke to the local independant stores who knew nothing about Yule Ritual and were pretty pee'd off with Voiceprint about it. They described Voiceprint as a collection of labels and a 'sort of distribution company' although they also distribute via Pinnacle. Typical stories of late and sporadic delivery are familiar and these are the record stores who lean towards the sort of artists that feature on Voiceprint. The moral of that is to say that the record label is Hawk records. The final point is: to get the releases to those people who may be more casual type fans then it needs to have some sort of promotion which includes being visible in record stores. Not everybody is online or knows about the fine mail order comapnies yet. I get involved in regular heated discussions with record store staff Usual comment from me: Why haven't you got the new Hawkwind album yet? Ultimate repsonse from them: Our head office (or the record company) have not sent it to us yet; sorry can't help. Its sad that a full UK tour starts in a few days and it is impossible to find the brand new, official release in any record store around Merseyside. Somebody needs to sort out the promotional and distribution side of things otherwise the potential fan base is going to shrink to people like us who are online at these lists and the other people that we tell. Word of mouth is no way to promote successfully. Mark From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Oct 31 03:28:07 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:28:07 -0500 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: So the credits aren't spot on. It wouldn't quite be HW if everything was just so would it? When the intro to Damage of Life plays and the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, do I care about the missing credits? Na. Shame Dave has dropped an octave on Motorway City since singing it 20 years ago though. BTW one of the CD's I'm after is PXR5 and while on the subject does anyone know where the acronym PXR5 came from? All I can work out is Part Exchange Remaining 5? or something along those lines after reading the liner notes from Q,S & C. Thanks, Eddie. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Johnson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 30/10/01 18:18 Subject: Re: HW: more Yule Credits In a message dated 10/30/01 10:59:08 PM GMT Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > > >and threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. > > > > Yes, the sound is great, BUT ... I have a major problem with one aspect of > > It's incredible fantastic in headphones! > > Alice Why only mail order though? Steve. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Wed Oct 31 04:07:09 2001 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:07:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Cover Art In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011031020931.00731ebc@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: I must say that the front cover of Yule is pretty bad in its overall finish. The graphics are so 'choppy' it looks like it was knocked up on an old sinclair ZX spectrum computer from the 80's (or someting like that). Personally I'd like to see the cover art on future HW albums adopting a more modern look. The Epoch Eclipse cover sets a really good example and (to the unitiated) helps project the band (and enclosed music) in a more contemporary light. I think it's worth acknowledging that it's not just 'crusty ole hippies' that purchase HW albums. When I was a teenager....(many years ago)...it was not unusual for the cover art on an album to attract me to the musical contents of a particular artist. I'm not sure the cover of 'Yule' does the contents justice at all. Anyone else have any feelings on this? mel From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 31 03:54:54 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:54:54 -0500 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits Message-ID: >So the credits aren't spot on. It wouldn't quite be HW if everything was >just so would it? When the intro to Damage of Life plays and the hairs on >the back of my neck stand up, do I care about the missing credits? Na. They might be important to those who were left out. >BTW one of the CD's I'm after is PXR5 and while on the subject does anyone >know where the acronym PXR5 came from? All I can work out is Part Exchange >Remaining 5? or something along those lines after reading the liner notes >from Q,S & C. I thought PXR5 was some sort of video tape classification/variety. Not sure why it was chosen as the title though. Anyway, PXR5's are very hard to come by, and forget 25 Yrs. On. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Maybe get a 'Tales from Atomhenge' in the meantime, and wait for the reissue to happen. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 05:45:13 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (devil child) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 04:45:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011031020921.00729368@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: <<(real metal, not false metal!)>> Stephan Devil Child?? "This LP is dedicated to true headbangers who hate false metal magazines. We thank our parents and Mrs. Hopkins for use of the basement. Also special thanks to our girlfriends for giving us good h*ad. Also thanks to S.M leather company for our stage outfits, and also Joe for the album cover. And if you think we suck, we do; our girlfriends have big t*ts." I recall my "scary" friend wore it out while I was at work (the one who would only talk to me, and occasionally one or two others, despite being at the party, etc) god I miss him......Canada.....you took Doug Drummond ....send him back.... fried copy now replaced with mint copy for a dollar......ah well, at least it made him a tape..... m From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 05:10:13 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:10:13 -0500 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I will be at Liverpool, Hitchin and Walthamstow. Alastair. On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:54:32 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Z E Itgeist wrote: > >:Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser >: >:Am putting maps and directions on the web page when locations are agreed. >: >:http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html >: > >Hey... > >To add to this page: > >I'm probably going to be at: > >nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, >newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, >walthamstow > >Eric Siegerman (who I really need to call about arrangements...sorry Eric, >life's been hellish) previously indicated that he'd be at cardiff, >hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow (roughly, and he >should confirm that.) > >Denis Regenbrecht will probably be at Walthamstow, will a few others. > >Thanks, > >Arin >(the terribly stressed) >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 06:15:23 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (devil child) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:15:23 -0600 Subject: HW: OFF: SD2001 In-Reply-To: <200110310752.CAA20311@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <> Dear betters and list gods- sorry- 3a.m. wakes me, life stinks-here I am- Dear Keith- it killed me when you did this, as I used to LOVE the Mick Bolten material, and I have always HATED that they sacked him for "smelling like fish"..... when you mentioned that, I couldn't believe my memory failed me- I can never forget the night I started to get pulled over by a rent-a-cop (er, you know, security- GOD I still wonder what THAT was about), on way home from keg party, could have gone up in flames if you lit a match, ended up outrunning 3 police cars (one gaining sparks while going over a curb, wonder if there was gadamage) as well as doing speeds I wont repeat, with the police finding my parents home (where I ran to- not where I lived) because unfortunately my liscence still listed their home- chunks of front door still missing as I type- boy did I get a little kick out of the fact that in my haste to get inside to hide (where I fell asleep in mere minutes, and missed the excitement) I had left the dome light on in my z-28, shining down on 2 UFO LP's "Flying Flying Flying", and simply "UFO". the best part- always wondered if that aided the anger when they saw those- They towed the car out of the driveway- I was SO SCARED to go retrieve my car........but it was just 50 bucks and I was off Hot Rockin' I now drive like granny with all respect to all road laws and I shudder and cringe when I look back in the 80's and that foolish behaviour..... but I got away.... hehe m ps- you sure it wasn't THE COMMING OF PRINCE KAJUKU??? *but thats splitting hairs* From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Oct 31 05:32:45 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:32:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Social Convenor Message-ID: More names in, Newcastle currently beating Edinburgh 7-6 Get your names in; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 06:38:34 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (devil child) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 05:38:34 -0600 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> Our Eddie, not that one from Teenbeat my ear had this whispered in it: P- persons (personnel?) X- extremly R -reduced 5 -to 5 what *IS* it? "their life support could not take the strain, and SO THEY DIED"????? -and I see YULE is the header- as before, the artists are on list- couldn't it just be poor quality of the transfer? From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Oct 31 05:48:42 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:48:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd Message-ID: Right then, The Savoy it is, We shall be hitting said pub by 5:30pm... I shall be in possession of one ye olde glow in the dark alien much like the last upteem gigs I've been too. plus 2 innofensive mates of the old punka variety... Regards iain PS anyone know any pubs near the Coal Exchange ???? in need of sustinance that night as well... Wright, Mike" wrote: > OK, after a 30 second google search I find it is called the savoy, which > should be enough information for anyone. > > here is a poor map, the savoy is at the top of regent st > > http://www.ents24.com/web/maps.php3?venueid=5526 > > And here is an interview with Huw > > http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/wiltshire/leisure/whatson/LEISURE_WHATSON_M > USIC15.html > > mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wright, Mike [mailto:wrightm at BRE.CO.UK] > > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:30 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > > > > Hi there folks, > > > > having lived in Swindon for some while, I cannot reccommend > > any pubs there. > > However there is a big one (possibly weatherspoons) with > > cheap beer in the > > place that used to be the ABC cinema. It is very close to the > > Wyvern. If I > > could remember the name it would be really useful, but there > > will be few > > options available near the Wyvern, so it shouldn't be too > > difficult to find. > > No more than a 5 minute walk from the Wyvern, slightly down > > the hill towards > > the Brunel Centre (which is the centre of Swindon). > > > > Cheers > > > > Mike w > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keith Barton [mailto:keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK] > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 14:24 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd > > > > > > > > > iain ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone apart from myself going to Swindon ? > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > Anyone know any pubs in Swindon ? > > > > > > No! > > > > > > > Anyone fancy a pint ? > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > > > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright > > material may be > > contained in this e-mail. The information and material is > > intended for the > > use of the intended addressee only. 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From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 05:51:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:51:00 +0000 Subject: Captain Lockheed Message-ID: OK, thanks for the Lucky Leif info. How about a similar muso list for Captain Lockheed? Cheers ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 07:07:21 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (on no! more!) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:07:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011031020921.00729368@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: excerpt*<> *end excerpt SF when I drove out to California in 89 to see Hawkwind in L.A., we rounded a corner and bumped face to face with a couple of the guys from St. Vitus, and they were in a bad mood, and could "smell" that we were not local, and they said something wrong, and my friend jumped right into position with fists, I cringed and looked to see where I would run off to like a squirrel, but they quickly realised my friends were almost as "cool" as they were, and once they heard we were from Texas, the one of them had a mom or an aunt or something, and a nice long conversation was had by all.......one of them was the "new" singer as of 89..... m From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Oct 31 07:08:40 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:08:40 +0000 Subject: Captain Lockheed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Steve Litchfield writes >OK, thanks for the Lucky Leif info. How about a similar muso list for >Captain Lockheed? > >Cheers >____________________________________________________________________ >Steve Litchfield >Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ Paul Rudolph - Lead, rhythm and bass guitars Lemmy - Bass and rhythm guitars Simon King - Drums Brian Peter George St John Le Baptiste De La Salle - Synthesizer and electronic effects Del Dettmar - Synthesizer Nik Turner - Saxophones Dave Brock - Lead guitar (The Widow Maker) Twink - Funeral drum (Catch A Falling Starfighter) Bob Calvert - Voice, percussion Arthur Brown - Voice (The Song of the Gremlin) Adrian Wagner - Keyboards and Series III (The Song of the Gremlin) The Ladbroke Grove Hermaphroditic Voice Enemble - Back Up Vocals Actors - Vivian Stanshall, Jim Capaldi, Tom Mittledorf, Richard Ealing and Bob Calvert. -- David Blair From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 08:31:32 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:31:32 -0600 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Cover Art In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> mel but we're still enslaved with puppy blinders to keep us from biting ourselves Don't think Hawkwind is too worried about the Virgin Megastores... colors didn't come out bright, agree- may not catch eyes- still valid theme........ I think with the date added and the way it's done, it comes across as an "approved" live CD to the already existing "crusties" sort of "family style" (excluding self, for moment, of course) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 31 09:46:30 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:46:30 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon Sat 3rd In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > Have I ever mentioned I lost my virginity in Swindon? Maybe everyone could look for it after the gig? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 31 10:11:12 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:11:12 GMT Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:54:32 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, > newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, > walthamstow So where's everyone staying for Newcastle? It looks like I may not be able to get home until the next day... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 31 10:17:10 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:17:10 GMT Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: Jobson, Eddie's message of Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: Jobson, Eddie writes: > while on the subject does anyone > know where the acronym PXR5 came from? I thought it was a biological "Seed of Life" thing? Phosphorous-X- Radical *5 or something? Can anyone fit that to the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid? Oh well... FoFP From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 10:24:50 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:24:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Cover Art Message-ID: Yes I would have to agree that the cover of "Yule Ritual" is probably the worst HW cover in the entire catalog. After all those absolutely stunningly beautiful submissions of art for the Astoria show (as seen on the Mission Control website), you would think Hawkwind would have had no problem getting something beautiful and psychedelic for the albums's sleeve... but it's not to be! After getting the album, I have to say that honestly I'm a lot less impressed with "Yule Ritual" than I am with the shows of the new lineup. The tapes of Canterbury are fantastic! I am more excited about Hawkwind's current state than I've been in a while. They are really sounding awe-inspiring right now! Incidentally, does anyone have a good tape or CDR of the Royal Festival Hall show for trade? I have a bootleg list at http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/tapes.html and there are a few shows I haven't added yet, like the Canterbury one. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > I must say that the front cover of Yule is pretty bad in its overall finish. > The graphics are so 'choppy' it looks like it was knocked up on an old > sinclair ZX spectrum computer from the 80's (or someting like that). > > Personally I'd like to see the cover art on future HW albums adopting a > more modern look. > The Epoch Eclipse cover sets a really good example and (to the unitiated) > helps project the band (and enclosed music) in a more contemporary light. > I think it's worth acknowledging that it's not just 'crusty ole hippies' > that purchase HW albums. > > When I was a teenager....(many years ago)...it was not unusual for the > cover art on an album to attract me to the musical contents of a particular > artist. > I'm not sure the cover of 'Yule' does the contents justice at all. > Anyone else have any feelings on this? > > mel From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 11:51:56 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:51:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Yule Ritual Cover Art In-Reply-To: <001501c16220$32a600a0$e7d1b718@xx177845c> Message-ID: <>. Don't worry Gary, this is why UFO info is still kept secret it stems from a deep seated inner hatred of the unexplained...(joking friendly John, seriously) my catalog includes things like Yuri Gagarin on the decal label and Friday Rock show sessions, etc.......I have grown to like them, but I doubt they'll ever match YULE R. there is a helicopter flying tight circles around my house with a camera attached- weird gotta go m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 31 12:24:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:24:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD sale Message-ID: Hi Folks... Updating the sale list for anyone who's still interested... Thanks to all who've responded so far... Of course, respond off-list (henderson.120 at osu.edu) Grakkl (FAA) Space/Psych/Post-Rock: Asha Vida - Nature's Clumsy Hands (Experimental post-rock from Detroit) $6 Asteroid #4 - Apple Street EP (more 60s retro psych than "Introducing...") $5 Foreign Spaces - Dark Star (pretty cool ambient/electronic works, German) $8 Guru Guru - Live '98 (2xLP) (gatefold, all but two tracks from the 1998 material on the 3CD box release, great reunion show w/ Genrich, Suzuki, Karoli, others guesting) $12 + extra $1 shipping Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warlords (Cleo comp., decent enough) $6 Hopewell - The Curved Glass (a little better than Flaming Lips/Mercury Rev IMHO) $6 Komeda - The Genius of Komeda (Swedish fun pop group with strong kraut tendencies) $6 Mercury Rev - See You On The Other Side (Don't care for trumpets in 'space rock') $5 Sabine - Sabine (DC-area experimental post-rock band, water damage to booklet) $3 777 - System 7.3 (2xCD) - Fire & Water (one techno - ick; one space/ambient - cool) $10 Sky Cries Mary - A Return to the Inner Experience (Seattle modern-space collective) $6 Tortoise - TNT (Famous Chicago post-rock outfit, well respected album) $6 Tristeza - Dream Signals in Full Circles (spacey post-rock, some Neu! ripoffs) $7 Nik Turner - Prophets of Time (zero continuity hodge-podge) $5 Others: (for any two you select from the above, you can have 50% off one of these below - I'll honor those you choose that someone else has already snagged, that is if you manage to claim for yourself at least one thing from the above) Blue Oyster Cult - Heaven Forbid $4 The Buck Pets - To The Quick (grundgey band from Dallas) $4 Deep Purple - Purpendicular (Recent work w/ Morse) $3 (used) $5 (sealed) Edith - A Space Between Ever and Never (like iQ with lousy drummer) $6 fIREHOSE - Flyin' the Flannel $4 Flotilla - Flotilla (modern poppy electronic works, Sky Cries Mary labelmates) $5 It Bites - Once Around the World EP (Hillage-produced poppy prog-metal) $5 Jadis - More than Meets the Eye (neo-prog) $6 Marillion - Clutching at Straws $5 Marillion - B-Sides Themselves (UK) $7 Marillion - Real to Reel (UK) $7 Marillion - The Thieving Magpie (first disc only...various Fish material) $4 Mother Love Bone (pre-Pearl Jam) - Self-titled 2CD $6 Motorhead - Orgasmatron (Sinclair release) $6 Bob Mould - Workbook $5 Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime $4 Strontium 90 - Police Academy (The Police & Gong's Mike Howlett) $5 Roger Taylor - Happiness? (Queen drummer/guitarist/vocalist) $6 TNR - The Chessboard (Hammill-ish Italian band) $6 Treponem Pal - Aggravation (nasty French band) $4 UFO - Walk on Water (Reunion album w/ Schenker/Mogg/Way) $5 Velvet Underground - The Best of... $5 US Domestic Shipping - $1 for 1st, $1 additional up to $3 max (unlimited #) - specify w/ or w/o jewel boxes (cut Shipping by 50% for w/o) For Overseas or Canada - write to work out payment/shipping From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 12:59:19 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:59:19 +0000 Subject: HW:Ooooooh Look! Message-ID: I was surfing around and found this: http://hawkestra.info Check it out! Keef From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Oct 31 13:15:48 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:15:48 -0500 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <200110311517.PAA12007@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I seem to remember that it was an acronym for "P(something) eXperimental Rocket #5" which fits into the storyline. But the "seed of life" bit could fit, too... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:17 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: more Yule Credits > > > Jobson, Eddie writes: > > > while on the subject does anyone > > know where the acronym PXR5 came from? > > I thought it was a biological "Seed of Life" thing? > > Phosphorous-X- Radical *5 or something? > > Can anyone fit that to the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid? > > Oh well... > > FoFP > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Oct 31 13:21:17 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:21:17 -0000 Subject: Captain Lockheed Message-ID: Not listed on the sleeve, but Dave Brock also played guitar on Right Stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Blair To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Captain Lockheed > In article , Steve > Litchfield writes > >OK, thanks for the Lucky Leif info. How about a similar muso list for > >Captain Lockheed? > > > >Cheers > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Steve Litchfield > >Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ > > Paul Rudolph - Lead, rhythm and bass guitars > Lemmy - Bass and rhythm guitars > Simon King - Drums > Brian Peter George St John Le Baptiste De La Salle - Synthesizer and > electronic effects > Del Dettmar - Synthesizer > Nik Turner - Saxophones > Dave Brock - Lead guitar (The Widow Maker) > Twink - Funeral drum (Catch A Falling Starfighter) > Bob Calvert - Voice, percussion > Arthur Brown - Voice (The Song of the Gremlin) > Adrian Wagner - Keyboards and Series III (The Song of the Gremlin) > The Ladbroke Grove Hermaphroditic Voice Enemble - Back Up Vocals > > Actors - Vivian Stanshall, Jim Capaldi, Tom Mittledorf, Richard Ealing > and Bob Calvert. > -- > David Blair From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 31 13:57:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:57:53 -0000 Subject: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts Message-ID: guess!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Forstner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts > Now where will I get my Circle fix? > > Stephan From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Oct 31 13:51:00 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:51:00 -0000 Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou Message-ID: 'no' as in 'I can't remember' - that was last night - you don't expect me to remember back that far do you? (just joking but genuinely forgotten what the point was) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: Re: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou > >-- No to which Andy?? No Viv Akauldren?? No Bone Movies? (wasn't > that what Ozzie was saying?) No Delired Cameleon vinyl reissue??? No > Christian Boule "Photo Musik"?? > > and in further comment, while the "Les Conte" is a bit sparse on the > classic Blake sound, alternately, the Delired has a bunch of freaked out > places that sure do sound like Tim doing it, while he is only credited with > percussion and tampoora- what is tampoora anyway? > m From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 31 13:21:02 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:21:02 EDT Subject: Clearlight - Les Contes Du Singe Fou In-Reply-To: <029b01c1623f$8f095620$7586bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 31 Oct 2001, at 18:51, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > and in further comment, while the "Les Conte" is a bit sparse on > > the > > classic Blake sound, alternately, the Delired has a bunch of freaked > > out places that sure do sound like Tim doing it, while he is only > > credited > with > > percussion and tampoora- what is tampoora anyway? > > m Isn't it that batter-fried shrimp dish you see served in Japanese restaurants? theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 31 15:13:41 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:13:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:35:31 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >OK, well yes it was Heavy Liquid. And duh...the song they did *was* Prince >Kajuku, the one I remember I liked from 'Space Metal,' which is just (of >course) a compilation double-LP from UFO's first 3 albums (one live). I >think the track in question was from UFO 2, but not sure about that. Yes, "Prince Kajuku" is on 'UFO2' aka 'Flying' aka 'One Hour Space Rock'. I can never remember which of "Prince Kajuku" and "The Coming of Prince Kajuku" is the instrumental, and which one has the lyrics ... but as MC said ... splitting hairs ... >A bit of trivia - Bernie Marsden >replaced Mick Bolton before Schenker joined. So there's a UFO - Hawkwind >link via the Marsden connection to Paice, Ashton, and Lord, and the Paul >Martinez connection from PAL to Richard Strange and hence, Martin Griffin. >I'm guessing there are others, Between Bolton and Marsden, Larry Wallis was the guitar player. So through him, you have Mick Farren & Paul Rudolph & Al Powell connections to Hawkwind. >maybe with Pete Way or something. Can't >remember who was in that 'Waysted' band he had in that awful 80s period. >They were pretty damn bad from what I remember. Jerry tells me Pete Way >lives here in Columbus now! That's whack! Fastway with Eddie Clarke gets you straight to Lemmy! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 31 15:19:09 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:19:09 -0000 Subject: HW: more Yule Credits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Personnel eXtremely Reduced to 5 is the one I'd heard. Referring to the ejection of Turner, Powell and Rudolph from the band. Nick > > I seem to remember that it was an acronym for "P(something) eXperimental > Rocket #5" which fits into the storyline. But the "seed of life" bit could > fit, too... > > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 31 15:21:34 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:21:34 EST Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: Hi Space Sickies, Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers received a response yet? I have. Twats! Steve. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Oct 31 15:22:44 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:22:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Captain Lockheed Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:08:40 +0000, David Blair wrote: >Paul Rudolph - Lead, rhythm and bass guitars >Lemmy - Bass and rhythm guitars >Simon King - Drums >Brian Peter George St John Le Baptiste De La Salle - Synthesizer and >electronic effects (the above guy's last name is Eno, just in case you're wondering who this is, but all those are his real middle names!) >Del Dettmar - Synthesizer >Nik Turner - Saxophones >Dave Brock - Lead guitar (The Widow Maker) >Twink - Funeral drum (Catch A Falling Starfighter) >Bob Calvert - Voice, percussion >Arthur Brown - Voice (The Song of the Gremlin) >Adrian Wagner - Keyboards and Series III (The Song of the Gremlin) ... that would be Moog Series III modular synthesizer (and I'll bet someone here knows whether it was a IIIc ["cabinet" version in wooden case with the cool slanted panels] or IIIp ["portable" version in tolex case], but I don't!). >The Ladbroke Grove Hermaphroditic Voice Enemble - Back Up Vocals > >Actors - Vivian Stanshall, Jim Capaldi, Tom Mittledorf, Richard Ealing >and Bob Calvert. ... and sadly NOT, Nico - lead vocal (Widow Song) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 15:27:39 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:27:39 +0300 Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: > Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers received a > response yet? How to return it and get money if I ordered it from online store? Alisa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 16:34:38 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (always around) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:34:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001)(now splitting hairs) In-Reply-To: <200110312013.PAA19532@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: and "splitting hairs" gets you straight back to Doug Pearson, who used the coined term: well, this old "Live In Japan" LP lists- Prince Kajuka/The Comming Of Prince Kajuku 8.20 so could I have been correct anyway? it's perfectly OK to nevermind m From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 31 15:38:10 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:38:10 EST Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: I asked: > > Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers > received a > > response yet? > In a message dated 10/31/01 8:29:44 PM GMT Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU > replied: > How to return it and get money if I ordered it from online store? > > Alisa Not much of an answer that, really. Any more offers? Steve. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 16:36:35 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:36:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: Hm, I've been thinking about this one too. Huw is featured on the sleeve but does he play on the CD. Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the credits. Dave -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 30 October 2001 18:47 Subject: HW: Yule Credits >Hi Folks... > >Just got me 'Yule Ritual' in the post yesterday (huge thanks to MC) and >threw it on a minute ago. So far, it sounds fantastic. > >Anyway, my question is...I distinctly heard the band intros at the start of >the show, and one Harvey Bainbridge is announced, but as I look at the >credits in the booklet, I do not see Harvey's name listed. Is this just an >unintentional oversight/typographical error? Having just talked to the man, >I can't imagine what else it could be. > >Grakkl (FAA) > >P.S. Why is "Money Tree" the only title written with Capital letters? > >P.P.S. The back cover art is better than the front cover art IMHO. > From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 15:32:50 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:32:50 -0700 Subject: America?? In-Reply-To: <3BE03BF7.BE2559FD@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey guys, I was wondering.. Does anyone know if Hawkwind is ever going to be touring over here in America? I want to see them again so bad!! I need a Hawkwind fix!! :o) Deborah From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 15:40:58 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:58 +0300 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: > Hm, > I've been thinking about this one too. Huw is featured on the sleeve but > does he play on the CD. Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the > credits. Of course he plays and it's his vocal on Free fall. From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 15:42:58 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:42:58 -0700 Subject: Test.. Message-ID: Just testing 1234... Deborah From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 15:49:43 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:49:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <00d201c16254$85b39bc0$114e893e@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:36:35 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the >credits. I wonder why.......... -S. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 31 16:03:17 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:03:17 -0500 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Deborah wrote: > Does anyone know if Hawkwind is ever going to be touring over here in > America? Somehow, I doubt they'll be back any time soon. I'm with you though. I've never seen HW, though some of that is my fault ie. not wanting to drive 6-7hrs. to NYC as well as missing the St. Catherine's show in '95 due to a conflict. Brian NP: The Bevis Frond "Son of Walter" From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 16:00:14 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:00:14 +0300 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: > I wonder why.......... Voiceprint is a very BAD label. Very unaccurate in everything. From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Oct 31 16:23:31 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:23:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: I am not positive, but the label might leave something like that off to avoid paying a fee to ascap or bmi (if I recall correctly those are the two places). Whenever you cover a song you're supposed to pay a fee of $78.00 per every one thousand copies made to the company that is handling the copyright . Obviously Dave Brock would not have to pay a fee on any of his own material. There might be a fee though on anything with Bob's name. I'm pretty sure this subject has been discussed before, song writing credits on the live albums, that is. You could probably find out more in the archives of the list. This is all my best guess and I'm not saying anybody has done anything wrong. > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:36:35 -0000, you sent through the ether: > > >Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the > >credits. > > I wonder why.......... From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 16:22:28 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:22:28 -0700 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah.. I figure they are not going to be here for awhile.. But Brian, We must keep up the glimmer of hope.. eh ? :o) I saw them, shez'..It had to be like 8 years ago.. They played here in Colorado at "The Fox Theatre" in Boulder.. That was one of the best show's I have ever seen !! You people are so lucky to be able to see them occasionally! Another band I want see again is Ozric Tentacles!! They are also really incredible!! HAPPY HOLLOWEEN EVERYONE!!!:o) Deborah -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Halligan Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: America?? Deborah wrote: > Does anyone know if Hawkwind is ever going to be touring over here in > America? Somehow, I doubt they'll be back any time soon. I'm with you though. I've never seen HW, though some of that is my fault ie. not wanting to drive 6-7hrs. to NYC as well as missing the St. Catherine's show in '95 due to a conflict. Brian NP: The Bevis Frond "Son of Walter" From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Oct 31 16:38:20 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:38:20 -0500 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Deborah wrote: > Yeah.. I figure they are not going to be here for awhile.. > But Brian, > We must keep up the glimmer of hope.. eh ? :o) Don't worry, my freak flag's still flying! Brian NP: "Cortez the Killer" Gov't Mule From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 16:47:01 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:47:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: dave hall wrote: > Hm, > I've been thinking about this one too. Huw is featured on the sleeve but > does he play on the CD. Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the > credits. Umm...I know this is tenuous but here goes..... I work in the film industry and OK I've got credits on some big movies, I've also lost count of the number of times I haven't received a credit for the work I've done on a film yet I see some names and think "what the hell did they do on it?". Two Bond movies spring to mind..... I've learnt to live with it.... it happens.....and it's *nothing* to do with money. "Oh yes but the music industry's different" you might say. I did backline for "The Sisters Of Mercy" - did I get any credit in black and white? No - but I had a damn good time doing it and I've got some great friends out of it too! Sometimes people do something just because they enjoy doing it. IMHO it's often a misconception that there's a hidden agenda when people don't get credit - you'll find there usually isn't. Welcome to the future...... Errmmmm......I'll get me coat....... Keef From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 17:53:02 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (keeps on going,,,,) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:53:02 -0600 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <> wasn't that so super excellent!!! me and the now famous "Jimmy" Collins (hehe) had ourselves a SMASH of a time, with table up front, and mosh pit below us so no heads in our way- everything we needed at that time flowing like water right there.... band in turbo mode- and how bout those "critters buggin" bet you don't see Dave Brock so impressed with his opening act like that everyday.... I think I have said all this before somehow, but ah well, have it shoved again. pink bunnybrain. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Oct 31 17:56:43 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (keeps on going,,,,) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:56:43 -0600 Subject: HW: America?? Message-ID: oops- mine was 95 (the show in Boulder at THE FOX) maybe it's near bedtime story time again that wasn't 8 years ago sorry m From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Oct 31 15:58:42 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:58:42 -0500 Subject: America?? Message-ID: Ditto to that one!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Vacano [SMTP:myst-i at HOME.COM] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:33 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: America?? Hey guys, I was wondering.. Does anyone know if Hawkwind is ever going to be touring over here in America? I want to see them again so bad!! I need a Hawkwind fix!! :o) Deborah From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 17:23:07 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:23:07 -0700 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: buggin' was buggin'!!(awesome!) very cool pink!! I'm sure Dave must have been impressed!! Deborah :o) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of keeps on going,,,, Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:53 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: America?? <> wasn't that so super excellent!!! me and the now famous "Jimmy" Collins (hehe) had ourselves a SMASH of a time, with table up front, and mosh pit below us so no heads in our way- everything we needed at that time flowing like water right there.... band in turbo mode- and how bout those "critters buggin" bet you don't see Dave Brock so impressed with his opening act like that everyday.... I think I have said all this before somehow, but ah well, have it shoved again. pink bunnybrain. From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 17:23:18 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:23:18 -0700 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Close enough.. I think that was the show we were at! 95 ..eh.. weee... how time goes bye.. when your a hawkwind freak..HA! Deborah -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of keeps on going,,,, Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:57 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: America?? oops- mine was 95 (the show in Boulder at THE FOX) maybe it's near bedtime story time again that wasn't 8 years ago sorry m From myst-i at HOME.COM Wed Oct 31 17:23:43 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:23:43 -0700 Subject: HW: America?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We saw Gov' Mule a couple of months ago.. The week of Sept. 11th.. What an awesome time that was .. Everyone was freaking out when the did "Rockin' in the Free World" and Beatles "Revolution".. AWESOME SHOW!! Keep the freak flag flyin Brian!! Deborah -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Halligan Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:38 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: America?? Deborah wrote: > Yeah.. I figure they are not going to be here for awhile.. > But Brian, > We must keep up the glimmer of hope.. eh ? :o) Don't worry, my freak flag's still flying! Brian NP: "Cortez the Killer" Gov't Mule From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 17:27:33 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:27:33 +0300 Subject: OFF: The Meads of Asphodel - Huw LL Message-ID: Ok. Here is a brief review. The music is a mix of black/death metal with some thrash and heavy. And space synth and keys all over it. A lot of Eastern melodies. Some funny pieces, funny death/black metal vocals. Great guitar solos by Huw. Assault and Battery in an 80's style with harsh vocals. Blistering Huw's solos there. Rather good release. Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 17:30:22 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:30:22 +0300 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: New pack of cds will be issued with correct credits info! From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 17:52:41 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:52:41 -0000 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I will be at: Swindon Birmingham Hitchin Brighton Walthamstow COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > I will be at Liverpool, Hitchin and Walthamstow. > > Alastair. > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:54:32 -0600, Arin Komins > wrote: > > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Z E Itgeist wrote: > > > >:Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser > >: > >:Am putting maps and directions on the web page when locations are agreed. > >: > >:http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > >: > > > >Hey... > > > >To add to this page: > > > >I'm probably going to be at: > > > >nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, > >newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, > >walthamstow > > > >Eric Siegerman (who I really need to call about arrangements...sorry Eric, > >life's been hellish) previously indicated that he'd be at cardiff, > >hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow (roughly, and he > >should confirm that.) > > > >Denis Regenbrecht will probably be at Walthamstow, will a few others. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Arin > >(the terribly stressed) > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > >Manager of Web Systems Architecture > >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Oct 31 18:00:07 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:00:07 -0500 Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: if you paid by credit card,you should be able to withhold payment...call your credir card company and file a complaint to withhold payment,and then let the online store know that you want to return it and have filed with the c/c company good luck tim Alice wrote: > > > Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers > received a > > response yet? > > How to return it and get money if I ordered it from online store? > > Alisa From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 18:01:07 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:01:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <000d01c1624c$5df5a220$ae45efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: In message <000d01c1624c$5df5a220$ae45efc3 at ghostwheel2>, Alice writes >> Hm, >> I've been thinking about this one too. Huw is featured on the sleeve but >> does he play on the CD. Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the >> credits. > >Of course he plays and it's his vocal on Free fall. Once again, Huw did NOT play with HW at the Astoria. He played a few acoustic numbers earlier on, but not with the band. And that's Ron singing Free Fall, not Huw! -- Nick Medford From coral at APORT.RU Wed Oct 31 18:09:59 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:09:59 +0300 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: > Of course he plays and it's his vocal on Free fall. I'm talking about Harvey... From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 31 18:13:39 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:13:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <7eDGqAAzKI47EwSg@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <7eDGqAAzKI47EwSg at hermit0.demon.co.uk>, Nick Medford writes > >Once again, Huw did NOT play with HW at the Astoria. He played a few >acoustic numbers earlier on, but not with the band. And that's Ron singing >Free Fall, not Huw! Doh! It was of course Harvey who sang Free Fall. I was thinking about High Rise for some reason. Still no playing from Huw though! -- Nick Medford From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 31 18:02:19 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:02:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: >In message <000d01c1624c$5df5a220$ae45efc3 at ghostwheel2>, Alice > writes >>> Hm, >>> I've been thinking about this one too. Huw is featured on the sleeve but >>> does he play on the CD. Also Bob Calverts name is missing from some of the >>> credits. >> >>Of course he plays and it's his vocal on Free fall. > >Once again, Huw did NOT play with HW at the Astoria. He played a few >acoustic numbers earlier on, but not with the band. And that's Ron singing >Free Fall, not Huw! Uh...That's Harvey, innit? Grakkl (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 31 19:03:43 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:03:43 +0000 Subject: Brain Surgeons sterling In-Reply-To: <200109181719.NAA02076@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Z E Itgeist wrote: > Oh and cow.co.uk do charge shipping if you're outwith the UK > > >> > Ah, but you can also get them here; > > http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=BRAIN_SURGEONS&s=1151 > > If you're ordering more than 1 it works out cheaper. > > Z > Jon wrote; > Have to pause and recommend these people though, they are the > business. As well as far as I know being the only place you can buy Brain > Surgeons albums for Sterling (though at a mark-up that makes the whole > business considerably less desirable) they can track down a lot of other > stuff, and they _are_, by and large, cheap for the UK. Also, they don't > charge postage, which makes a hell of a difference. Use them. Yours, All fair enough, though I'm not outwith the UK myself. But 101cd.com get extra points for having a website from which I can order things using my antiquated browser, which gives them an important market advantage over the two places I was otherwise likely to use, of which the one that has online ordering, the Freak Emporium, is utterly inaccessible. You have picked a good time to alert me to this fact Stuart :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: The Stalk Forrest Group - _St Cecilia_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37)