From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 1 00:24:08 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:24:08 EST Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/31/01 3:02:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > when I drove out to California in 89 to see Hawkwind in L.A., we rounded a > corner and bumped face to face with a couple of the guys from St. Vitus, > and they were in a bad mood, and could "smell" that we were not local, and > they said something wrong, and my friend jumped right into position with > fists, I cringed and looked to see where I would run off to like a > squirrel, but they quickly realised my friends were almost as "cool" as > they were, and once they heard we were from Texas, the one of them had a > mom or an aunt or something, and a nice long conversation was had by > all.......one of them was the "new" singer as of 89..... > hmmm....I remember one of the members being from Texas... Singer Wino quit right around '90, then the Swedish dude joined in '92/'93 after the reformation. Wino joined around '86, I believe. Reminds me of '93/'94...my favorite bands of the time--Vitus, bad brains, Blue Oyster Cult, Accused, Dr. Know, Manilla Road, Therion, Venom, Cathedral, Thin Lizzy, Bloodrock, Atomic Rooster, Budgie, Anacrusis, Skyclad, Marillion, The Obsessed (see Vitus!), Paradise Lost, Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost, Kreator, Morbid Angel, etc... tse tse... (HW et al shortly to follow...) Chuck NP: Thrilling Adventures ...moving from Metal to More...Rich and Stephan: quite interesting to see lists of underground thrash/metal/crossover bands I thought I only listened to on the list... (Deathrow, Blessed Death?? ya gotta be kiddin me! How about Deathwish, for the Brits?) I was gonna mention that for me the '80s weren't a bust because of metal/crossover...but I think folks here have already heard the spiel from me...at least I'm not alone now... :) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 1 00:26:47 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:26:47 EST Subject: Captain Lockheed Message-ID: In a message dated 10/31/01 4:09:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > Actors - Vivian Stanshall, Jim Capaldi, Tom Mittledorf, Richard Ealing ahem...sorry for the digression, but this last name reminds me of a certain HW title...anagram, except no "t" and lacking an "L"... Chuck > and Bob Calvert. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 1 03:01:55 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:01:55 EST Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: In a message dated 10/31/01 11:01:56 PM GMT Standard Time, ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET writes: > Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers > > received a > > > response yet? > > > > How to return it and get money if I ordered it from online store? > > > > Alisa > Yes. I received a ?14.00 checque yesterday. The thing itself cost ?15 + p&p to return it. I emiled Leonard Hewitt about this and he said he'd send the difference. Steve. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Nov 1 03:18:05 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:18:05 -0500 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: As ever, I'm Travelinning it. http://www.travelinn.co.uk/find/find.html >>>>> From: M Holmes Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser Arin Komins writes: > nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, > newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, > walthamstow So where's everyone staying for Newcastle? It looks like I may not be able to get home until the next day... FoFP ------------------------------ From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Nov 1 03:52:42 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 03:52:42 -0500 Subject: HW Social Convenor Message-ID: Swindon and Walthamstow making a late bid for glory, which is surely some kind of oxymoron? Still need venues for some locations, and are now taking names for London in December, drinking at the Bull & Gate; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Thu Nov 1 04:37:44 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:37:44 -0000 Subject: Hitchin In-Reply-To: <200111010852.DAA24236@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Has anyone ordered and received tickets for this date yet? Richard. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 1 05:30:39 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:30:39 -0500 Subject: Hitchin Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:37:44 -0000, Richard Crossley wrote: >Has anyone ordered and received tickets for this date yet? > >Richard. Yes, I got mine about 3 weeks ago. COLIN From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Thu Nov 1 08:37:27 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:37:27 -0000 Subject: Hitchin In-Reply-To: <200111011030.FAA24568@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > [mailto:owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Colin Allen > Sent: 01 November 2001 10:31 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Hitchin > > > On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:37:44 -0000, Richard Crossley > wrote: > > >Has anyone ordered and received tickets for this date yet? > > > >Richard. > > Yes, I got mine about 3 weeks ago. > > COLIN Thanks, about the same time I ordered mine. Time to go and chase them up... Cheers Richard. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 1 08:41:27 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:41:27 -0000 Subject: Yule Ritual Message-ID: Virgin on Oxford Street now has lots of copies - at last. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 1 09:57:22 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:57:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock new tracklist In-Reply-To: <00b101c14070$1ff131e0$b697bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > To lighten everyone's mood, here's the track list for the new Brock > 'Memos and Demos' CD: > Clouded Vision > State of mind (instrumental) > State of mind > Tuning in > Kauai `Clouded Vision' and `Kauai' are hardly more than demos already, and we've seen three releases of the latter in the last four years already! > Morpheus > Find the right way And that's going to be `Te Right Way' from _Spacebrock_... > Didn't I have a problem > Luna > Love In Space > Surreal sex dreams As will that be `Sex Dreams' I assume... > Just drifting > Sweet Obsession This is only a suspicion but I bet that's `Dreamers'. > Why is a raven like a writing desk? And that will be an abbreviation of `Do You Want this Body' perhaps? > Space riders and sex dreams `Star Pilots'? Or another version of `Sex Dreams'? Or both together? > Distant islands. I expect a few of the ones that aren't immediately obvious will become so to owners of _Space Brock_ or _Family Tree_ too... > Interesting huh? One word for it. Rip-off might well be another. But at least the title warns us this time. And at least it's a Dave Brock album not a Hawkwind one so that if Nik has any lawyers they won't be able to cite this disk as bringing the name of Hawkwind into disrepute, should they be able to get round the fact that Dave owns it. I expect the lawyers would make money on this if anyone trying to bring the suits had any. Yours, Jon ObCD-R: Farflung - _The Myth of Solid Ground_ (any news on the full release of this, Andy?) -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Thu Nov 1 10:10:53 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:10:53 -0500 Subject: Reminder: Silver Machine Friday Night Message-ID: Just a reminder to anyone in the London area, Dave Moran's Hawkwind Tribute band "Silver Machine" is playing the Royal Standard, Walthamstow (opposite Blackhorse Road Tube) this Friday - 2nd November. For those who haven't seen them before they are the Mutts Nuts. They do a full range of Hawkwind Classics including - new for this gig - a very topical "Who's gonna win the war". Hopefully you can make it to the gig but if not you can check them out on the web at http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net and massage their ego's by getting their hit-counter spinning ;-) They've got a few Downloads on the Set List page of their site so if you are dithering check out their version of "Hassan i sabbah" See you there Dave From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 1 11:45:16 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:45:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 00:24:08 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: I was gonna mention that for me the '80s weren't a >bust Never really liked all that metal stuff, but there's one magnificent 80s band I haven't seen mentioned yet: the mighty KILLING JOKE. Listened to "Brighter Than a Thousand Suns" for the first time in years last night- they really were the business. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Nov 1 12:58:49 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:58:49 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Cerberus green-blue-line In-Reply-To: <002701c1625b$a1748ac0$ae45efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: public apology if it was a controlled hit by association..... the cover art has been made sacred The fuzzed tones are subtle in their conqest........glory be to mother London.... your art has been tossed inside the criss cross of the Michael and Mary lines.... I personally would like to see the green hue eccentuated on the repress.. Green is the colour........ m From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 1 12:03:03 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:03:03 GMT Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? Message-ID: We're banned from the filesharing stuff, but a pal in Californica wants to try some Hawkwind... FoFP From nycademon at HOME.COM Thu Nov 1 12:22:18 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:22:18 -0700 Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? In-Reply-To: <200111011703.RAA12801@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Does your friend know about Morpheus (or is the gist of your post that he can't use such things)? He can get it at www.downloads.com. Great program. Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of M Holmes Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:03 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? We're banned from the filesharing stuff, but a pal in Californica wants to try some Hawkwind... FoFP From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Thu Nov 1 12:27:21 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:27:21 -0500 Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? Message-ID: Also he could try winmx.com - Anonymous file shareing (napster with knobs on!) Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 12:56:16 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:56:16 -0600 Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. peace, __ Doug Bates From myst-i at HOME.COM Thu Nov 1 13:09:44 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:09:44 -0700 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Nik-- Are you ever going to come back to the United States.. preferably Colorado? We need a fix!! Deborah -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Doug Bates Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. peace, __ Doug Bates From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 1 13:22:17 2001 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:22:17 EST Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Question, Nik, how come you are willing to rip people off (poor cd's and "hawkwind" gigs. and yet you try and come across all honest ,matey & love & peace ? Why do you use the hawkwind link way too much when you have spent more time out of the band than in it.? why can't you get something going under your own merit without mentioning hawkwind ? Regards iain From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Thu Nov 1 13:41:22 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:41:22 -0600 Subject: Nik: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Nik, How about a few new songs? Surely you must have a few ideas. Do you still talk to Helios Creed? Do you have any plans to collaborate with anybody in the near future? > Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? > Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 1 13:47:10 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:47:10 -0000 Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund Message-ID: what did they say? I am curious to know - if necessary e.mail me off-list at: andygee at dial.pipex.com Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: 2001 CD Rrefund > Hi Space Sickies, > > Has anyone who returned the 2001 Space Crap Odyssey to it's makers received a > response yet? > > I have. Twats! > > Steve. From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Thu Nov 1 14:03:30 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:03:30 -0500 Subject: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts In-Reply-To: <029e01c1623f$91765e80$7586bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Richard clarified things, he is NOT killing the Cranium label, just the store he is running. He also does not expect to shut down the store in a very short time, so he will be around for a bit. Take advantage NOW! Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:58 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts > > > guess!!!!!!! > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephan Forstner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:09 AM > Subject: Blow to the Cranium, OUCH, That Hurts > > > > Now where will I get my Circle fix? > > > > Stephan > From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Thu Nov 1 14:02:53 2001 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:02:53 +0000 Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider In-Reply-To: <9f.1d8e69bf.2912ecd9@aol.com> Message-ID: I remember a quote from Dave Brock in a magazine article. Something along the lines of Nik Turner being a 'weasel'.......'a very greedy man'. I think one of the problems HW had, was that Nik wanted to play his saxaphone over everything.....literally. I think maybe his 'musical' greed extends into his 'musical business practices'.???? mel From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Nov 1 13:40:18 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:40:18 -0500 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Nik- Any plans to work with Tommy and Len anytime soon? And, the last show you played in Los Angeles was great! Dan D. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Nov 1 14:45:58 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:45:58 -0500 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Deborah asks... >Hey Nik-- >Are you ever going to come back to the United States.. >preferably Colorado? Uh....he's *in* the United States. Sorry, but you'll have to travel to Florida or Georgia to see him this week. Grakkl (FAA) From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Nov 1 16:36:12 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:36:12 +0000 Subject: HW Social Convenor In-Reply-To: <200111010852.DAA24236@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Righty-ho... Nottingham (definitely) Birmingham - definitely, if we can find out about tickets etc. nobody ever answers the phone! Hitchin is an outside possibility, but a social obligation has cropped up... Christmas do is a 90+% Any others will be spur of the moment... ChrisW NP: In The Court Of The Crimson King (vinyl) At 08:52 01/11/01, you wrote: >Swindon and Walthamstow making a late bid for glory, which is surely some >kind of oxymoron? > >Still need venues for some locations, and are now taking names for London >in December, drinking at the Bull & Gate; > >http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Thu Nov 1 16:44:07 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:44:07 +0000 Subject: Hitchin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Based on my experiences with Girlschool, they're a bit haphazard. It seems to be run out of the offices that run the market. The guy wasn't there when I went in, and the woman I spoke to said that he hadn't actually printed the tickets at that time, but she took my details. When I rang up a couple of days before, he just said "No problem, pay at the door, your tickets are reserved..." And so it turned out. It's a funny little place, but if there's a decent crowd, it'll probably be a fun place for the show. Real old-fashioned small town town hall with barrel vaulted ceiling, acoustically dodgy, but quite intimate. Shame I probably won't be able to go... Cheers, ChrisW At 09:37 01/11/01, you wrote: >Has anyone ordered and received tickets for this date yet? > >Richard. From impointer at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 1 18:29:43 2001 From: impointer at YAHOO.CO.UK (Ian Pointer) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:29:43 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Collection For Sale Message-ID: Unfortunately I am forced into selling off my Hawkwind collection. Must of it is on vinyl (unless otherwise stated) and is in at least 'Very Good' condition most of it is 'Mint'. If you are interested or want more info please contact me off list (impointer at yahoo.co.uk). Thank you for your time. Hawkwind - Gatefold sleeve ?15 X In Search Of Space - Fold Out Sleeve + The Hawkwind Log ?20 Doremi Fasol Latido + inner + ?Star Rats? poster - ?15 (ring mark on sleeve) Space Ritual Alive - Foldout sleeve + Tour Program ?20 Hall Of The Mountain Grill + inner - ?15 Warrior At The Edge Of Time - Fold Out Shield Sleeve ? ?20 Roadhawks - Gatefold Sleeve + poster - ?25 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music + inner (?Reversed sleeve?) - ?10 Quark Strangeness & Charm + inner ? ?10 PXR5 (banned cover) + facsimile of Pete Frame?s family tree ?10 Live 79 ?8 Levitation - Blue Vinyl ?15 Sonic Attack + lyric sheet -?20 Church Of Hawkwind + booklet - ?20 Choose Your Masques - ?20 Angels Of Death ?20 Zones - Picture Disc - ?10 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic - Gatefold sleeve + autographed ?20 Live Chronicles + Tour Program ?15 Xenon Codex - Ltd Edt Fold Out Sleeve ?15 Night Of The Hawk - ?10 Space Bandits ?5 Palace Springs ?5 Electric Tepee Ltd Numbered Gatefold sleeve 1 of 5000 - ?15 Electric Tepee CD Ltd Edt Picture Disc (withdrawn) ?20 It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous Ltd G/f sleeve - ?10 The Business Trip-Live Foldout Sleeve - Clear Vinyl ?15 Alien 4 - Gatefold Sleeve ?10 Alien 4 CD Jewel Case ?10 Anthology Vol 1 Picture Disc ?10 Anthology Vol 2 Picture Disc ?10 Anthology Vol 3 Picture Disc ?10 Official Picture Log Book 3xLP + interview LP + badge ?30 Friend And Relations Vol 1 ?5 Twice Upon A Time - Friends & Relations Vol 2 ?5 The Golden Void - ?5 Welcome To The Future - ?5 Text Of The Festival - ?5 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin ?5 Kerb Crawler 7" ?1 Area S4 12" p/s ?2 Chronicle Of The Black Sword ? video ?5 Live Legends ? video ?5 Hawklords Whose Gonna Win The War 7" p/s ?1 Hawklords 25 Years On + inner - ?10 Hawklords Live CD ?10 Dave Brock & The Agents of Chaos - ?10 Dave Brock - Earthed To The Ground - ?10 Robert Calvert ? Hype - ?5 Inner City Unit - Passout CD + extra tracks ?15 From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Nov 1 19:19:55 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:19:55 -0700 Subject: OFF:Tomorrow's Dream Message-ID: Some weeks back I had posted a message about a radio show featuring progressive music (and Hawkwind, too) that was on every other Saturday 2-6 am. So, of course, when I tuned in to listen after that post, it wasn't on. After several weeks of trying to get an answer about its status, I received the following response: Hi, Mark: I apologize for the delay in getting a response to you. Tomorrow's Dream hosted by Scott MacNicholl only had a 13 week run. It will not be aired again. Bummer Mark From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 1 19:48:04 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:48:04 -0000 Subject: Hitchin Message-ID: Well, Girlschool rocked like the proverbial bastards tonight - Andy and Carl will no doubt agree with me. A top way to celebrate redundancy. Cheers, Rich. > Based on my experiences with Girlschool, From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 1 19:50:41 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:50:41 -0000 Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? Message-ID: Or Limewire. Cheers, R. > Also he could try winmx.com - Anonymous file shareing (napster with knobs > on!) > > Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster > > http://www.silvermachine.mrnice.net > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 21:45:55 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:45:55 -0600 Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: I don't know what you mean exactly, you have a negative opinion of me. I'm not interested in defending myself against lies, BS and hearsay. Thanks for your interest. BTW, I have other interest other than HW, and I'm doing one of them now. cheers, TR -----Original Message----- From: Iain Ferguson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 12:22 PM Subject: Re: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Question, Nik, how come you are willing to rip people off (poor cd's and "hawkwind" gigs. and yet you try and come across all honest ,matey & love & peace ? Why do you use the hawkwind link way too much when you have spent more time out of the band than in it.? why can't you get something going under your own merit without mentioning hawkwind ? Regards iain From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 1 21:55:05 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:55:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Would it be too much to ask for a bit of politeness and civility on the list? Gentlemen, if you care to debate these issues using this sort of language, feel free to contact me off-list and I will gladly discuss them at length. Even at your level of conversation, if that's what you prefer. Or, if they need to be discussed in public, would it be possible to do so without the use of unfounded insults like "rip off", "weasel", and "greed"(y)? Thank you for your consideration, and sorry that this message has nothing to do with Hawkwind or Blue Oyster Cult (and somebody needs to kick my ass for violating my own cardinal rule: "don't feed the trolls"). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com Iain Ferguson wrote: > ... rip people off ... hawkwind link way too much when you > have spent more time out of the band than in it.? Melvyn Vincent wrote: > ... along the lines of Nik Turner being a 'weasel'.......'a very > greedy man'. > > I think one of the problems HW had, was that Nik wanted to play his > saxaphone over everything..... > > I think maybe his 'musical' greed extends into his 'musical business > practices'.???? From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 22:10:17 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:10:17 -0600 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Hi Deborah, Actually I'm in the US now! I'll be playing in St. Petersburg, FL the 3rd and Atlanta, Ga on the 6th. If there is an interest to justify a large tour I would love to do it. lurve, TR -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Vacano To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Hey Nik-- Are you ever going to come back to the United States.. preferably Colorado? We need a fix!! Deborah -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Doug Bates Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:56 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. peace, __ Doug Bates From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 1 22:09:33 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:09:33 +0800 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Hi Nik Ever thought of cruising Down Under? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > Hi Deborah, > > Actually I'm in the US now! I'll be playing in St. > Petersburg, FL the 3rd and Atlanta, Ga on the 6th. > If there is an interest to justify a large tour I > would love to do it. > > lurve, > TR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Vacano > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 11/1/01 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > > Hey Nik-- > Are you ever going to come back to the United States.. > preferably Colorado? > We need a fix!! > Deborah > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Bates > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:56 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > > > Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? > Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. > > > peace, > > __ > Doug Bates > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 22:45:42 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:45:42 -0600 Subject: Nik: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Dan, Yes, I have lots of news songs and projects I'm working on. Have not heard from Helios lately, but you will be hearing from me. cheers, TR -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Nik: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Nik, How about a few new songs? Surely you must have a few ideas. Do you still talk to Helios Creed? Do you have any plans to collaborate with anybody in the near future? > Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? > Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 22:48:50 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:48:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Doug, Thanks for your support and wisdom. Bullshit baffles brains, and lets have none of it. best wishes, TR -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 8:55 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Would it be too much to ask for a bit of politeness and civility on the list? Gentlemen, if you care to debate these issues using this sort of language, feel free to contact me off-list and I will gladly discuss them at length. Even at your level of conversation, if that's what you prefer. Or, if they need to be discussed in public, would it be possible to do so without the use of unfounded insults like "rip off", "weasel", and "greed"(y)? Thank you for your consideration, and sorry that this message has nothing to do with Hawkwind or Blue Oyster Cult (and somebody needs to kick my ass for violating my own cardinal rule: "don't feed the trolls"). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com Iain Ferguson wrote: > ... rip people off ... hawkwind link way too much when you > have spent more time out of the band than in it.? Melvyn Vincent wrote: > ... along the lines of Nik Turner being a 'weasel'.......'a very > greedy man'. > > I think one of the problems HW had, was that Nik wanted to play his > saxaphone over everything..... > > I think maybe his 'musical' greed extends into his 'musical business > practices'.???? From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 22:53:12 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:53:12 -0600 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Hi Dan, I'm hoping to work with Tommy and Len when they come to Europe. I'm not sure when that is, but I hope to work with them in the states after that. Watch this space. cheers, TR -----Original Message----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Nik- Any plans to work with Tommy and Len anytime soon? And, the last show you played in Los Angeles was great! Dan D. From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 1 22:57:04 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:57:04 -0600 Subject: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: Bill & Cynthia, I want to, if you want me to. If its viable and a demand, so tell your friends. See you all soon? luv, TR -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 11/1/01 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Hi Nik Ever thought of cruising Down Under? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Bates" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > Hi Deborah, > > Actually I'm in the US now! I'll be playing in St. > Petersburg, FL the 3rd and Atlanta, Ga on the 6th. > If there is an interest to justify a large tour I > would love to do it. > > lurve, > TR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Vacano > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: 11/1/01 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > > Hey Nik-- > Are you ever going to come back to the United States.. > preferably Colorado? > We need a fix!! > Deborah > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Bates > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:56 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider > > > Hey space cadets anyone have a question for Nik? > Post your questions, we'll check back in a few hours. > > > peace, > > __ > Doug Bates > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 2 00:36:40 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:36:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider In-Reply-To: <200111020255.VAA28320@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: OH here comes my big mouth- Hello Nik! I just had a very nice talk with Carol- It made me feel really great- I recently had to buy a second copy of the "Transglobal" CD, because it is so kick-ass and one wasn't enough.... Please come through town again so I have a reason to see what the world outside looks like...I haven't seen much of it since 95, since it's usually dark before I leave, the sunlight it is so painful...... my drivers liscense is 2 years expired and the 10 hour drive to Alabama was too much for even an "ace sneak" like me....... and I think Nik (you, etc.) inspired me to suggest this - people offlist- fair game for attack- people onlist- be cool? Have a great time and knock 'em out mike coleman From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 2 03:44:51 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:44:51 -0000 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: On 2/11/01, the 'mighty' TR wrote: "I'm not interested in defending myself against lies, BS and hearsay." sorry, TR, you sanctioned the release of a sh** album, badly played & recorded. (2001 Oddysey). That this album exists, is not BS or hearsay, and follows a long tradition of you and DA releasing b***ocks albums, disguised as HW releases. we HW fans want QUALITY not quantity. sort yourself out some original NEW material, and you may recover some respect. I'm sure you could do this, with the musicians around you......................... From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 2 04:28:36 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 04:28:36 -0500 Subject: HW:Q and A with the Mighty Thunder Rider Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:45:55 -0600, Doug Bates wrote: >I don't know what you mean exactly, you have a negative opinion >of me. I'm not interested in defending myself against lies, BS >and hearsay. Thanks for your interest. BTW, I have other interest >other than HW, and I'm doing one of them now. > >cheers, > >TR Lies, BS & hearsay? Must have been another Nik Turner who released 2001 A Space Rock Odyssey and used the Hawkwind name at gigs then. Funny, I could have sworn it was you! COLIN From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Fri Nov 2 04:38:20 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:38:20 -0600 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: > sorry, TR, you sanctioned the release of a sh** album, badly played & > recorded. (2001 Oddysey). > That this album exists, is not BS or hearsay, and follows a long tradition > of you and DA releasing b***ocks albums, disguised as HW releases. > > we HW fans want QUALITY not quantity. > sort yourself out some original NEW material, and you may recover some > respect. > I'm sure you could do this, with the musicians around > you......................... As was discussed here Hawkwind released a similar quality album recently, and and a few others that didn't have perfect sound (live 79 complete). Some people have stated that they like these type of recordings and don't mind. Well there ya go, don't condemn Nik unless you're going to condemn HW for the same thing . My opinion is both camps should label the release "limited sonic fidelity" or something, so people can decide what they want to do. Not to mention, Trans Global has been lauded here. Nik isn't doing the same thing DA does. What release has Nik done over and over with different titles? I really don't see why there is so much Nik bashing here, if you don't like his shows don't go to them. Nik and HW might have their differences, but this really a very common thing. We can name bands all day that have fights about band names and song rights. Nik's space ritual tour 94-95 was incredible, the shows I saw at Strange Daze were really good too. I'm happy with what he's done. I'll add this. When his tour hit Minneapolis in 94 I think I remember the posters being up saying Nik Turner's Hawkwind(HW in big letters). It was obviously done by the club to promote the show. Now the big question is, what did Nik tell the club to list it as? Probably Nik Turner formerly of HW performing the Space Ritual, or something of the sort. The next thing you know the club has made posters with HW in big letters. I do distinctly remember after the first number and there was a break, Nik said hello to the crowd and then said, some of you might have come here tonight expecting to see a band called hawkwind fronted by Dave Brock, I'm sorry but we are not that band but we'll do our best to put on a good show for you. That doesn't sound to me like a guy trying to steal the name of HW. I think he can probably have an event and call it a hawkestra too, if it's a bunch of former HW members. But, I think releasing an album called "The Conscious of Hawkwind" , with the word Hawkwind in the title was probably crossing the line. But who made up that title? Did Nik sell the rights to somebody and they did a Dave Anderson job on it? Is Nik to blame here? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know, do you? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 2 04:26:25 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 04:26:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tomorrow's Dream Message-ID: Mark lamented... >Some weeks back I had posted a message about a radio show featuring >progressive music (and Hawkwind, too) that was on every other Saturday 2-6 >am. So, of course, when I tuned in to listen after that post, it wasn't on. >After several weeks of trying to get an answer about its status, I received >the following response: > >Hi, Mark: I apologize for the delay in getting a response to you. >Tomorrow's Dream hosted by Scott MacNicholl only had a 13 week run. It will >not be aired again. FYI...I have had some discourse with Scott, and this is what he said to me. >At this time though, my show (Tomorrow's Dream) is on hiatus. It was a test >bed of 12 shows occuring every other week. Tough to get consistency. But, >when thrown a bone, you take it while it's there. I also sub for a show >called Dog City Rock, which airs on Saturday nights at 10:30 PM MDT, until >1:00 AM MDT. It is centered around the late 60's and early 70's rock. With >heavy doses of Hendrix, the Airplane, Zappa, and many other cuts you never >hear on the processed cheese classic rock stations. Over the air I call >myself "The Doctor." So he's trying to spread the good work in Albuquerque. He played some of the krautrock stuff I sent him on the Saturday show, so... (I assume the show is now 10:30-1 AM MST as opposed to MDT.) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Yes, his TD show was named after the excellent Black Sabbath tune. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 2 06:05:39 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 05:05:39 -0600 Subject: Nik Q&A In-Reply-To: <013c01c16382$1bb612a0$c3a5e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: Im up, wanting to hug Nik, although he would probably hit me if I tried-(or worse) Agree with Dan here- I think Nik put out "Bring Me" since it was a very fond memory for him, and it does have some great moments- also- I tend to wonder if he was told the quality of the 2001 was OK, and just said "sure, do as you wish" which I can picture him doing...... as I have said before- I am personally quite a fan of ICU, and I sure would like to see that band pursued in future with new material, as it seems the other members are up for rockin' these days, and it seems to me like that could be great- and maybe a way to not have contesting stuff going on- Nik as I have said before- we are the fans, we love all Hawkwind tunes (with good quality) and you are well known and quite famous and the name doesn't matter to us- if you put out some powerful mushroom caps, we'll trip the light fantastic (whatever that really means)...how about a band called NIK TURNER?? and then it can have personel listed as Hawkwind: "Sax, Flute, Vox, and Bloodletting" Judge Bin Liner: "Guitar, Vox, and Spam" Psssteve: "Guitar, Vox, Gearbox and Sanity", and Dino "Skins, Skillets, and Frying Pans" it'll be OK it'll be OK it WILL be OK. breath in, breathe out, and realise this is an opportunity to become even mightier....... I know you do. ps- I am waiting for the ALL STARS CD- but please do the rock stuff too so we can see you over here and in Australia where Bill and Cynthia want you to check it out- (go there- they desereve it- will treat you right, etc) to the future- and all the good things that are going to result?? mike c From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 2 05:50:04 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:50:04 -0000 Subject: Q&A TR Message-ID: the record labels release what TR tells them, a simple call to OZIT can confirm this. having your *favorite* memories released is a bit dubious if the quality isn't up to scratch. must agree tho', labelling the albums accurately, ie 'desk mix', 'crowd recording', 'bootleg quality', etc., would be more honest, and I'm sure HW, TR, etc., are not the only bands/musos to suffer s**te albums being issued, or to allow them out themselves, it just seems that TR doesn't care about it, or things like 2001 wouldn't see the light of day. IMHO :-) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 2 06:39:20 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 06:39:20 -0500 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: >As was discussed here Hawkwind released a similar quality album recently, >and and a few others that didn't have perfect sound (live 79 complete). >Some people have stated that they like these type of recordings and don't >mind. Well there ya go, don't condemn Nik unless you're going to condemn >HW for the same thing. I will happily condemn both of them where necessary but they could not even get the track listing or the tracks themselves right on 2001; to then tout it as a "rare" recording because it was a cock-up is both unethical and insulting to the intelligence of the fans. At least HW had the decency to remove the mispressed "Spacebrock" from sale as soon as they realised that there was a problem. To compare 2001 and Complete 79 is not useful; they are dramatically different in quality terms. Yes, Nik has released some good stuff as well. He would do far better to concentrate on making his own career away from HW and writing new material; the latter also applies to Hawkwind themselves of course. COLIN From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 2 07:20:02 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:20:02 -0500 Subject: Nik Q&A In-Reply-To: <200111021139.GAA00751@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Colin Allen wrote: => I will happily condemn both of them where necessary but they could not even => get the track listing or the tracks themselves right on 2001; to then tout => it as a "rare" recording because it was a cock-up is both unethical and => insulting to the intelligence of the fans. At least HW had the decency to => remove the mispressed "Spacebrock" from sale as soon as they realised that => there was a problem. Yes, but I seem to remember those _Spacebrock_ mispresses didn't go to waste---Voiceprint used them as the "special free gift" for those who collected enough of the Kollector release tokens. At the time there were a LOT of fans who thought that was the nadir of Hawkwind fan exploitation... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 2 08:58:29 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:58:29 -0600 Subject: Q&A TR In-Reply-To: <001b01c1638c$2176f560$0f9401d5@djsatan> Message-ID: <<"the record labels release what TR tells them, a simple call to OZIT can confirm this. having your *favorite* memories released is a bit dubious if the quality isn't up to scratch.">>DJ I heard a "rumour" that Nik put that out- (BMTHYG)- not positive though- anyway- interesting stuff here- :also- I have come to decide that "In The Egg", "Wage War" and the like are rather important things, but granted I don't have all the tapes and such that many do....so having these as actual releases is rather good for me- as for the many different issues of it- yipes! (but I think that is possible slight of hand belonging to the record labels passing the buck, etc.) I think the label of "2oo1" (who is fairly new it sounds like) owes at least a trade-in from the sound of this- I haven't yet played mine since I read about it from you guys, and I personally only like high quality recordings:) unrelated- god I am so sick of hearing "Anthrax, Terrorism, Threat, etc." somebody make it go away - the television commercials are already enough "terrorism" From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 2 08:26:27 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:26:27 -0500 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: >Yes, but I seem to remember those _Spacebrock_ mispresses didn't go to >waste---Voiceprint used them as the "special free gift" for those who >collected enough of the Kollector release tokens. At the time there >were a LOT of fans who thought that was the nadir of Hawkwind fan >exploitation... Myself included. That certainly was a low point; however, we did not pay for them and I feel that the situation is rather different from that of 2001 where people paid money for a faulty recording which was touted as a "rarity" when, in fact, it should have been binned. Ultimately, all bands "exploit" the loyalty of fans; that is how the business works. However, there are degrees of exploitation and I feel that Nik has crossed into an area of exploitation of both fans and the name of Hawkwind/Hawkestra that is unacceptable to me at least. We are all free to make our own decisions and I do not think that I will be going to see Nik's "Hawkestra" again or buying any of their recordings. If he was to reform ICU and tour and record with them, that would be a different matter entirely for me. Regards, COLIN From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 2 10:10:15 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:10:15 GMT Subject: Nik Q&A In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:38:20 -0600 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > I really don't see why there is so much Nik bashing here, if you don't like > his shows don't go to them. Nik and HW might have their differences, but > this really a very common thing. We can name bands all day that have fights > about band names and song rights. But only one whose drummer exploded. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 2 10:34:59 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:34:59 -0500 Subject: Nik Q&A In-Reply-To: <200111021326.IAA01318@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Colin Allen wrote: => Myself included. That certainly was a low point; however, we did not pay => for them and I feel that the situation is rather different from that of => 2001 where people paid money for a faulty recording which was touted as => a "rarity" when, in fact, it should have been binned. No disagreement there. Perhaps its "rarity" is in the fact that it would be rare to find something of worse quality? :-) I encourage everyone to apply for refunds. At least they're being offered. I don't think Voiceprint ever gave away anything other than something destined for the landfill as the reward to kollectors dutifully kollecting their series tokens in the expectation of something special at the end. (Shame, double shame!) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Nov 2 13:08:06 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:08:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: what was it with the 80s...? Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:45:16 -0500 Nick Medford wrote: >Never really liked all that metal stuff, but there's one magnificent 80s >band I haven't seen mentioned yet: the mighty KILLING JOKE. Listened to >"Brighter Than a Thousand Suns" for the first time in years last night- >they really were the business. No, The Business were a British Oi! punk band. Sorry, couldn't help myself there! Stephan From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Fri Nov 2 13:56:34 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:56:34 -0600 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > > To compare 2001 and Complete 79 is not useful; they are dramatically > different in quality terms. > Of course I was speaking of Glastonbury 90, and mentioning live 79 complete too. From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri Nov 2 13:49:27 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:49:27 -0500 Subject: Yule Ritual FYI Message-ID: Just noticed that Amazon is finally selling Yule Ritual. Just thought that I'd pass along the info. Dan D. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 2 14:15:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:15:38 -0000 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: I spoke with Chris at Ozit following the Greasy Truckers event at whihc, following an audience figure of around 800-900 quoted to me it seemed that the whole camp was quite upbeat about it. 'What next' I enquired. 'Oh, I think we'll get out the replacement version of the '2001' CD', he replied. 'Far be it form me to try and influence you in any way', I said,'but if you think you are a couple of steps ahead of the game right now, then issuin g this would take you ten steps backwards. In all honesty, you have to remember that most of the people and retailers who bought the CD did it without knowing the quality of the sound contained therein, which is why so many sold, but if yuo repeat the process, I will certainly be advising people simply not to buy it, and I imagine your sales will be a tenth of what they were first time around, if that'. It was then suggested that the decision was not Ozit's but Nik's so I said that, knowing they had decent quality recordings of the Blackpool and Crewe gigs, the best thing they could do is release a single CD of the best of those gigs and that it would be the best backwards step known to man, to try and relaunch the '2001' CD, so it will be extremely interesting seeing what happens next and whether the Turner camp chooses ritual hari-kari over common sense. Speaking of which I would imagine the Brock camp is fair to exploding tonight if they've seen the advert in the new edition of Classic Rock for The Limelight Club gig that is smack next to the advert for the Hawkwind tour dates, in which one Limelight concert is billed as "XHawkwind" and nothing else - methinks someone somewhere has boobed well and truly there - more fuel on the fire anyone? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Allen" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > >Yes, but I seem to remember those _Spacebrock_ mispresses didn't go to > >waste---Voiceprint used them as the "special free gift" for those who > >collected enough of the Kollector release tokens. At the time there > >were a LOT of fans who thought that was the nadir of Hawkwind fan > >exploitation... > > Myself included. That certainly was a low point; however, we did not pay > for them and I feel that the situation is rather different from that of > 2001 where people paid money for a faulty recording which was touted as > a "rarity" when, in fact, it should have been binned. > > Ultimately, all bands "exploit" the loyalty of fans; that is how the > business works. However, there are degrees of exploitation and I feel that > Nik has crossed into an area of exploitation of both fans and the name of > Hawkwind/Hawkestra that is unacceptable to me at least. We are all free to > make our own decisions and I do not think that I will be going to see > Nik's "Hawkestra" again or buying any of their recordings. If he was to > reform ICU and tour and record with them, that would be a different matter > entirely for me. > > Regards, > > COLIN From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 2 14:21:25 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:21:25 -0000 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: with this I agree- when you look at the Turner CD release roster, it is uniformly excellent bar the '2001' thing and it just amazes me how on earth anyone, musician or label, could have sanctioend the release of such a thing, but it is, I hope, a one-off and that everyone has learnt a lesson - you can't have pristine quality with all releases, for archive and live albums have their place, but there are limits beyond which those who know, should not stray. I loved 'Complete Live '79' but hated 'Glastonbury' quality-wise, and the same with 'Deeply Vale' over the '2001' CD for the Turner camp. But Turner has turned in a set of great CD's of that there is no doubt, but then so have most of the Hawkwind camp - I guess accidents happen, but they could be avoided. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > > sorry, TR, you sanctioned the release of a sh** album, badly played & > > recorded. (2001 Oddysey). > > That this album exists, is not BS or hearsay, and follows a long > tradition > > of you and DA releasing b***ocks albums, disguised From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 2 14:33:00 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:33:00 -0000 Subject: Q&A TR Message-ID: no actually Ozit have been going so long it would make your head swim - see the full colour advert in this month's Classic Rock to see what else they are currently selling. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Q&A TR > <<"the record labels release what TR tells them, a simple call to OZIT can > confirm this. > I think the label of "2oo1" (who is fairly new it sounds like) From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Fri Nov 2 14:50:58 2001 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc de Montfort) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:50:58 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Kollectable Message-ID: Hi all I wish to publically thank Andy G (again) and Susan at Griffen. Andy suggested quite selflessly that it would be better for me to contact Griffen directly in the States than try to pay for shipping from the UK. Susan's fast actions got the shield in my hands in less than a week. I am now the proud owner of (what I am told was) the last Metal Shield that remaining in the Griffen Warehouse. It is number 220 of 500. Since I have a copy of the CD already I'm definitely keeping it sealed and the shield itself. I hemmed and hawed the last few years about getting this since I learned about it. I am damn glad I did. Talk to 'yall laterz Mike ===== Duc De Montfort http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort ________________________________________ "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Fri Nov 2 15:01:44 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:01:44 -0600 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: Does anybody with a scanner have access to this? I'd like to see it. Could somebody put it up somewhere or email it to me? > Speaking of which I would imagine the Brock camp is fair to exploding > tonight if they've seen the advert in the new edition of Classic Rock for > The Limelight Club gig that is smack next to the advert for the Hawkwind > tour dates, in which one Limelight concert is billed as "XHawkwind" and > nothing else - methinks someone somewhere has boobed well and truly there - From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 2 13:38:40 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:38:40 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Kollectable Message-ID: I ordered mine from HMV's UK web site and received confirmation that it has been shipped - for only 3 quid pounds to Louisiana...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duc de Montfort" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Kollectable > Hi all > > I wish to publically thank Andy G (again) and Susan at > Griffen. Andy suggested quite selflessly that it would > be better for me to contact Griffen directly in the > States than try to pay for shipping from the UK. > Susan's fast actions got the shield in my hands in > less than a week. > > I am now the proud owner of (what I am told was) the > last Metal Shield that remaining in the Griffen > Warehouse. It is number 220 of 500. Since I have a > copy of the CD already I'm definitely keeping it > sealed and the shield itself. > > I hemmed and hawed the last few years about getting > this since I learned about it. I am damn glad I did. > > Talk to 'yall laterz > > Mike > > > ===== > Duc De Montfort > http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort > ________________________________________ > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." > Edmund Burke > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 2 16:11:14 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:11:14 -0600 Subject: HW: edinburgh tickets Message-ID: Hi folks, The Liquid Rooms is advertising the gig as sold out :-( Anyone have any ideas where extra tickets might be acquired? Thanks, Arin (this is what I get for doing things at the last minute. sigh.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From nycademon at HOME.COM Fri Nov 2 16:49:41 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:49:41 -0700 Subject: Yule Ritual FYI In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E06AFB42E@ntguslaexs1.neuus.jnj.com> Message-ID: Great! Now I don't have to pay 18 pounds for it! :-) Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Yule Ritual FYI Just noticed that Amazon is finally selling Yule Ritual. Just thought that I'd pass along the info. Dan D. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 2 17:11:08 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:11:08 -0500 Subject: NIK: Transglobal Message-ID: Hey Folks... I can now confirm that www.subterranean.org is a good reliable source (while supplies last) for the Nik Turner - Transglobal Friends & Relations 2xCD for those here in the US. And very reasonably priced at that. They don't do online cc orders, so you hafta send 'em a check in the mail, but it was worth it. Also got a really cool looking stoner CD by an Italian band called "Insider" (Beard of Stars label) - haven't put it on yet, but will shortly. Anybody ever hear of them before? Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Eloy - Dawn (just got it the other day - 'bout time I found this one!!) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 2 17:38:54 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:38:54 -0500 Subject: NIK: Transglobal Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:11:08 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >I can now confirm that www.subterranean.org is a good reliable source >(while supplies last) for the Nik Turner - Transglobal Friends & >Relations 2xCD for those here in the US. >And very reasonably priced at that. Quite appropriate, since the Subterranean label put out the (original vinyl) Chrome box set & Helios Creed's first two solo albums, the Dead Kennedys' classic "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" 7" (featuring Jello Biafra, who guested w/Nik in SF back in 94/95 ... and a band who are currently WAAAAY more estranged than Dave&Nik - there was a DK's "reunion" last weekend with a different singer ... sorry, I haven't heard any reports), and their latest release (as shown on the website, at least) is by the Lewd (featuring Bob Clic, ex?-Melting Euphoria). Cool label, good mailorder (although sometimes their catalog can be a bit confusing to get through). One of my friends here used to work for 'em, too. Thumbs up from me. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 2 17:54:01 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:54:01 -0000 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: Ah, Glastonbury 90 is truly awful! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Allen" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > > > > > > To compare 2001 and Complete 79 is not useful; they are dramatically > > different in quality terms. > > > > Of course I was speaking of Glastonbury 90, and mentioning live 79 complete > too. > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Nov 2 18:10:32 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:10:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: >Between Bolton and Marsden, Larry Wallis was the guitar player. >So through him, you have Mick Farren & Paul Rudolph & Al Powell >connections to Hawkwind. >Fastway with Eddie Clarke gets you straight to Lemmy! Apologies if I'm misreading this post, but I thought Larry Wallis got you straight to Lemmy via the *1st* Motorhead album (On Parole). Speaking of which, I recommend the EMI remaster, the alternate take of On Parole is worth it alone - Wallis just won't stop playing, and when he finally runs out of steam Lemmy can be heard to plaintively exclaim 'Larry!' Stephan From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 2 18:16:36 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:16:36 -0000 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: > >Between Bolton and Marsden, Larry Wallis was the guitar player. > >So through him, you have Mick Farren & Paul Rudolph & Al Powell > >connections to Hawkwind. > >Fastway with Eddie Clarke gets you straight to Lemmy! > > Apologies if I'm misreading this post, but I thought Larry Wallis got you > straight to Lemmy via the *1st* Motorhead album (On Parole). Speaking of > which, I recommend the EMI remaster, the alternate take of On Parole is > worth it alone - Wallis just won't stop playing, and when he finally runs > out of steam Lemmy can be heard to plaintively exclaim 'Larry!' > > Stephan > As a Motorhead fan, I've always reckoned that On Parole is possibly the best album of all. Where do I get the remaster? Is it a Virgin/HMV/Our Price job? I've got redundancy money to spend (although not very much!) Cheers, Rich. From myst-i at HOME.COM Fri Nov 2 18:25:35 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:25:35 -0700 Subject: Yule Ritual FYI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guido, Your such a hottie!!**wink** Deborah :o) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Guido Vacano Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:50 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Yule Ritual FYI Great! Now I don't have to pay 18 pounds for it! :-) Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Yule Ritual FYI Just noticed that Amazon is finally selling Yule Ritual. Just thought that I'd pass along the info. Dan D. From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Nov 2 18:27:00 2001 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:27:00 -0600 Subject: HW: Message-ID: >From: Colin Allen >>Yes, but I seem to remember those _Spacebrock_ mispresses didn't go to >>waste---Voiceprint used them as the "special free gift" for those who >>collected enough of the Kollector release tokens. At the time there >>were a LOT of fans who thought that was the nadir of Hawkwind fan >>exploitation... >Myself included. That certainly was a low point; however, we did not >pay >for them I just figured out how to get my special gift! I'll remove the tokens before I ask for my refund for 79 and Glaster. ;-) Iain Ferguson wrote: > ... rip people off ... hawkwind link way too much when you > have spent more time out of the band than in it.? Melvyn Vincent wrote: > ... along the lines of Nik Turner being a 'weasel'.......'a very > greedy man'. Melvyn, I hope you get to read the letter to the editor that appeared in the following issue of Q Magazine that Jill Calvert wrote. Iain, being a member of HW for even one year in the 70's is like, uh, well, there is nothing like it! In addition to the creed followed by Doug P., I choose not to respond the uninformed, misinformed, vendictive or the antagonistic in public. The only way I have the stength to do this is from a likely source. "HAWKWIND" I don't have the right to alter the fans perception of HW (or even try). With all the real shit going on in the world, this hate thing for some in the land of the hawk makes no sense at all. PXR0 over and out I gotta get some sleep -- Doug Bates From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Nov 2 18:26:13 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:26:13 -0500 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: Yeah,and i saw spinal tap live,and the show was almost as funny as the movie!! and mick fleetwood survived,anyway. tim (todays cd:Hardy-`The Light') M Holmes wrote: > > Dan Witt writes: > > > I really don't see why there is so much Nik bashing here, if you don't like > > his shows don't go to them. Nik and HW might have their differences, but > > this really a very common thing. We can name bands all day that have fights > > about band names and song rights. > > But only one whose drummer exploded. > > FoFP From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Fri Nov 2 18:44:17 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:44:17 -0600 Subject: HW: Message-ID: What issue? Can anybody tell me what this is? --------------------------- Melvyn, I hope you get to read the letter to the editor that appeared in the following issue of Q Magazine that Jill Calvert wrote. Iain, being a member of HW for even one year in the 70's is like, uh, well, there is nothing like it! From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 2 19:12:45 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:12:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:16:36 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >> >Between Bolton and Marsden, Larry Wallis was the guitar player. >> >So through him, you have Mick Farren & Paul Rudolph & Al Powell >> >connections to Hawkwind. >> >Fastway with Eddie Clarke gets you straight to Lemmy! >> >> Apologies if I'm misreading this post, but I thought Larry Wallis got you >> straight to Lemmy via the *1st* Motorhead album (On Parole). Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, too! >> Speaking of >> which, I recommend the EMI remaster, the alternate take of On Parole is >> worth it alone - Wallis just won't stop playing, and when he finally runs >> out of steam Lemmy can be heard to plaintively exclaim 'Larry!' > >As a Motorhead fan, I've always reckoned that On Parole is possibly the >best album of all. It's my favorite, but that's probably largely 'cause I'm a huge Wallis/Pink Fairies fan. >Where do I get the remaster? Is it a Virgin/HMV/Our Price >job? I've got redundancy money to spend (although not very much!) I've seen it at my local Virgin Megastore (San Francisco), so I'm sure it's readily available in the UK. Stephan's recommendation is enough that I might pick up a copy tonight, even though I already have the Cleopatra CD (no bonus tracks on that one). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com ObQuoteFromOnParole: "Stop me now before I kill myself ... FUCK THAT SHIT I'll kill somebody else!" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 2 19:47:26 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 00:47:26 +0000 Subject: HW: November Tour In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:33:37AM -0500 Message-ID: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, iain ferguson wrote: > : > :How about letting people know which gigs your going to then hopefully some of us > :will get to meet you before hand for a jar of ale and whatever else comes our > :way I plan to be at Hitchin and probably Brighton. Maybe Walthamstow also but that one probably not unless I can't do Brighton in the end (should be at a seminar... ) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett, part-time bookseller's assistant & medieval historian Pembroke Cambridge "I flatter myself that we are almost the only people Birkbeck London who understand and relish _nonsense_." (Hazlitt) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 00:47:21 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:47:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (Wallis, No Shoes, On Parole) In-Reply-To: <200111030012.TAA04754@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: and I love bragging that the American "On Parole" is actually a professional copy of my British CD, which was quite rare at the time- (hey the cover is still great, even if the CD never quite came out equal) The CD is IMHO their definate best CD, and the only one my friend Jeff approves of when he mows his lawn drunk with his ass hanging "out"......hehe.... I *really* wish EMI would have followed through with the vinyl reissue version, that was supposed to have the bonus tracks on a 45 single..... drat! mike From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 04:57:09 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 03:57:09 -0600 Subject: (Nik-HW): PXRalive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"PXR0 over and out I gotta get some sleep">> PXR0? no way. with a pair of trousers like the ones at Greasy Truckers? was this Doug or Nik anyway- ? no matter- still insert Robin Trower lyric "what seems so bad now, could easily change for the better".... you got gigs. we got eyestrain. now, where's some fresh meat, "cause we're the fishes -(caribe)- and all we do...". m sorry sorry- I'll go find a psychotic link about UFO people underground and cattle-blood absorption ratios through enzymation to keep me off-list.... -enjoy your weekend - ps- here's a little sommthin' for ya- UFO spam, it lays it on so thick, it's almost as good a MM and the Megaflow...even though it's slightly "dated" if you need a tie-in, I think Jon will do it- (I think) http://www.trufax.org/trans/orion.html also- mentioned before - once again- Nik has the Black Metal connection with his guesting with the Babylon Whores (thanks again to my informant) From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Nov 3 09:02:18 2001 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:02:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: At 18:10 2001-11-02 -0500, you wrote: >>Between Bolton and Marsden, Larry Wallis was the guitar player. >>So through him, you have Mick Farren & Paul Rudolph & Al Powell >>connections to Hawkwind. >>Fastway with Eddie Clarke gets you straight to Lemmy! > >Apologies if I'm misreading this post, but I thought Larry Wallis got you >straight to Lemmy via the *1st* Motorhead album (On Parole). Speaking of >which, I recommend the EMI remaster, the alternate take of On Parole is >worth it alone - Wallis just won't stop playing, and when he finally runs >out of steam Lemmy can be heard to plaintively exclaim 'Larry!' Amongst other UFO/Bolton stuff, I've got a "The Best of UFO" LP that is covering those years - and it does open with the track "Galactic Love". It's not present on either of s/t, Flying or UFO Live. Anyone knows anything about the origin of that particular track? >Stephan .joe From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 11:02:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:02:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20011103145941.103f76e0@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: >Amongst other UFO/Bolton stuff, I've got a "The Best of UFO" LP that is >=============================== covering those years - and it does open with the track "Galactic Love". It's >not present on either of s/t, Flying or UFO Live. >Anyone knows anything about the origin of that particular track? >.joe PLEASE TELL OF OTHER BOLTON STUFF- WHAT ELSE DID HE DO? my "best of UFO" has the righteous photo of the band on the cover- German comp. on Profile label, incl Bolton ....I just took the cover down off the wall and it doesn't have "Galactic Love".......but I know I had that song......OH maybe it was that one with the WEIRD cover that I just remembered- (wasn't it like a ceiling with stuff dripping or something, etc?) interesting.... mc has Phil beat anybody up lately? From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 10:04:02 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:04:02 EST Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/2001 9:02:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, joe.e at TELIA.COM writes: > Anyone knows anything about the origin of that particular track? > > was a b-side to one of their Bolton-era singles; i can look up which one if you really need to know. bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 10:05:12 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:05:12 EST Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/2001 9:57:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > has Phil beat anybody up lately? > > > just himself probably. just heard pete way is in th elatest incarnation of MSG... bobm From cea at CARLAZ.COM Sat Nov 3 11:29:08 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:29:08 +0000 Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? In-Reply-To: <200111011703.RAA12801@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Why doesn't the band just put some on their site (like pretty much every other band)? Or have they? If they haven't got the space/bandwidth, they could just put some on MP3.com .... Easier than getting your song on the radio, and reaches more people! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Nov 3 11:29:11 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:29:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: Hey - Anyone heard of Mogwai and Tortoise? Saw the following message on the e-Prog mailing list I'm on: >I *really* dig the bands Sigur ros, GYBE! and Mogwai...any other bands I >should investigate? TORTOISE ! "Millions now living will never die" and "TNT" are my favourite Tortoise albums. They're half way between Gybe! and Mogwai. Great stuff. Might have to check them out! Karen (in digest mode) From myst-i at HOME.COM Sat Nov 3 12:02:54 2001 From: myst-i at HOME.COM (Deborah Vacano) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:02:54 -0700 Subject: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl, There is usually a pretty good selection of Hawkwind on Morpheus.. You can get the Morpheus program from downloads.com... itss a coool program!! Deborah :o) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:29 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Where are the hawkwind MP3's? Why doesn't the band just put some on their site (like pretty much every other band)? Or have they? If they haven't got the space/bandwidth, they could just put some on MP3.com .... Easier than getting your song on the radio, and reaches more people! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 13:39:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:39:07 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: a HW mention- http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/ufo-fly.html Bolton- http://ufoa2z.com/whos-who/owl001.html just because From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 3 15:25:52 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:25:52 +0000 Subject: HW; Greasy Truckers 2001 - guitar duties In-Reply-To: ; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 06:06:49PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 06:06:49PM +0100, Nick Medford typed out: > In message m>, Andy Gilham writes > >I've also heard MM say he wouldn't work with Hawkwind again until they > >re-hired Nik Turner. And yet we're expecting Destruction of the Death > >Generator to be forthcoming. > > >Things change. > > I'm guessing that they must have already done so, considering Moorcock's > involvement with the Astoria Xmas party last year (when Nik was most > definitely not on board). I thought that Moorcock's beef was with Doug Smith, not the band per se. The usual matter of non-payment for something or other. But I can't remember where I heard this so it may be wrong. Either way it would explain why it was solvable. At the Hawkestra Nik said that he'd asked Moorcock to do phone-in vocals but Moorcocok had said he didn't think he could afford the phone bill. I couldn't work out if this was Nik taking the piss or Moorcock politely staying on one side of the struggle. Or OzIT being cheap and not paying him for it I suppose. Yours, Jon ObCD: Harvey Bainbridge - _Red Shift_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 3 15:33:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:33:27 +0000 Subject: Monday GUARDIAN - Arts Section HW In-Reply-To: <200110012033.QAA17881@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:33:56PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:33:56PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:15:02 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,560896,00.html > > Does anyone find this quote disturbing (not the part about Arthur Brown!): > "In best Hawkwind tradition, the Royal Festival Hall gig promises special > guests ranging from Arthur Brown to Blur guitarist Graham Coxon ..." > > ... and this quote amusing (in its grossly-multiple inaccuracies): > "They have also set up their own Emergency Broadcast Systems label, which > allows them the kind of control they could never achieve on a major label." > > -Doug (not a Britpop fan, sorry) I would have found that interesting, as I said. The guy may have been in Blur but he has a deep and abiding love of delay, fuzz, distortion and tape looping. I still want to know why that didn't happen. After all, we had been being urged by Mission Control to ask for our money back from the Hawkestra promoters when the Deviants were taken off the bill... The EBS quote is just ironic in so many ways that it's a classic. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 3 15:46:25 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:46:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors In-Reply-To: ; from cea@CARLAZ.COM on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:22:59PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:22:59PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > >> > Although I can somewhat understand it, I have to put up a (small) > >> > protest to > >> > the slagging Mirrors occasionally takes here. > > > >LOL - just don't slag the almighty Club Ninja! ;-) > > Well, I'll chime in to say I like plenty of the stuff on Mirrors. > OK, it's no _ST_ (or _Imaginos_, for that matter!), but it's not bad > at all. Better album than I've made :) I'll have to take your word for that as you've never played more than one track of the album you have made at me... > >Now, if this had been any other BOC forum, I would immediately expect a > >number of people to rush to that album's defense. Maybe it'll happen > >here, but I'll just say that my intent of mentioning CN is not to > >announce my own displeasure for the album, and yes it does have some > >good songs > > I kinda like "Beat 'em Up" for reasons I don't entirely understand :) I maintain, well, I have done before and look here I go again, that `Beat 'Em Up' is a fine song ruined by incredibly bad lyrics. At least I thought they were incredibly bad till I heard `I Just Like to be Bad' and now I yearn for the old days. But musically there's nothing wrong with it at all. It is the only track on CN which can be so praised, though in fact I would probably save `White Flags' also. > >(but ask any 6 BOC fans what their favorite CN track is and > >you'll get 6 different answers) - my point is that it is regarded by BOC > >fans *in general* as the band's weakest output. > > I'd have to reassess it against the new one :/ Easy. Playing much poorer than the new one, material even thinner, production rough and loud, band coherence lower; however, lyrics marginally better, and feel of edge and attack, much much harder. But I don't actively dislike any of CotHM (bar ILtbB) as much as I dislike large portions of CN. In fact I think `Madness to the Method' may in fact have worse lyrics in it than anything Shirley's been behind, and is even lamer than `Showtime' for that line about the fist and the godawfl upward key-change that means Buck is destroying a good riff because he can't sing low enough... argghh... I'll stop now... Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Nov 3 15:58:28 2001 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:58:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: At 10:04 2001-11-03 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/3/2001 9:02:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, >joe.e at TELIA.COM writes: > > >> Anyone knows anything about the origin of that particular track? >> >> > >was a b-side to one of their Bolton-era singles; i can look up which one if >you really need to know. >bobm Internet seems to be a good source of knowledge; http://ufoa2z.com/discog/disc/disc045.html A-side Galactic Love - B-side Loving Cup. Nice pic. .joe From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 3 13:51:26 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:51:26 -0000 Subject: Nik Q&A Message-ID: not me sorry - scanner's up the creek!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Nik Q&A > Does anybody with a scanner have access to this? I'd like to see it. Could > somebody put it up somewhere or email it to me? > > > Speaking of which I would imagine the Brock camp is fair to exploding > > tonight if they've seen the advert in the new edition of Classic Rock for > > The Limelight Club gig that is smack next to the advert for the Hawkwind > > tour dates, in which one Limelight concert is billed as "XHawkwind" and > > nothing else - methinks someone somewhere has boobed well and truly > there - From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 3 14:00:34 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 19:00:34 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Kollectable Message-ID: yes indeed - there are times when putting the customer's interests first pays rewards - glad to hear you are sorted. The final ten that we are receiving will be with us very soon and I think there are three still spare for anyone who wants to part with the money. E.mail me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com for details. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duc de Montfort" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Kollectable > Hi all > > I wish to publically thank Andy G (again) and Susan at > Griffen. Andy suggested quite selflessly that it would > be better for me to contact Griffen directly in the > States than try to pay for shipping from the UK. > Susan's fast actions got the shield in my hands in > less than a week. > > I am now the proud owner of (what I am told was) the > last Metal Shield that remaining in the Griffen > Warehouse. It is number 220 of 500. Since I have a > copy of the CD already I'm definitely keeping it > sealed and the shield itself. > > I hemmed and hawed the last few years about getting > this since I learned about it. I am damn glad I did. > > Talk to 'yall laterz > > Mike > > > ===== > Duc De Montfort > http://profiles.yahoo.com/mikemontfort > ________________________________________ > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." > Edmund Burke > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 17:13:52 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (-0-) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:13:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20011103215538.103f7eae@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: <> I saw that, but I didn't want to noid the list too heavily, oh well- did you see the quicktime clip, and does the mystery continue with "give her the gun"? from the Decca CD years that I need right this minute gosh darnit- From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 16:55:06 2001 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:55:06 EST Subject: Atlanta show Message-ID: If anyone out there is in the Florida area or the Atlanta area - could you please e-mail me privately. Thank you. Carol Collins From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 17:29:11 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:29:11 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 10/27 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: Mothers Special this week is dedicated to Grandmothers Don Preston, Bunk Gardner, Roy Estrada and Billy Mundi (who played a week ago in L.A...catch 'em if they come around...) Zappa/Mothers of Invention: 1."You're Probably Wondering Why I'm Here" (Freak Out!) 2."Plastic People" (Absolutely Free) 3."Flower Punk" (We're Only In It for the Money) 4."Who are the Brain Police?" (FO!) 5."Duke of Prunes/Amnesia Vivace/The Duke Regains His Chops" (AF) 6."Mother People" (WOIiTftM) 7."Downtown Talent Scout" (You Can't do that On Stage Anymore Vol. 5) 8."How's Your Bird" (Baby Ray and the Ferns; Cucamonga) 9."Charva" (Lost Episodes/Mystery Disc) 10."Mr. Clean" (Mr.Clean; Cucamonga) 11."Black Beauty" (Mystery Disc) 12."Didja Get Any On Ya?" (Weazels Ripped My Flesh) 13."Let's Make the Water Turn Black/Harry You're a Beast/Orange County Lumber Truck" (You Can't Do That...Vol. 1) 14."King Kong" (Ahead of Their Time) 15."Don Interupts" (Mystery Disc) 16."Return of the Hunchback Duke" (YCDTOSA Vol. 5) 17."Help I'm a Rock/Transylvania Boogie" (Ahead of Their Time) 18."Run Home Slow Theme" (Mystery Disc) 19."Little House I Used to Live In/Mud Shark" (Live Fillmore East June '71) 20."Penguin in Bondage/Pygmy Twylite" (Roxy and Elsewhere) 21.The Sonics-- "The Witch" (Here are the Sonics; Norton Records) 22.Lithium X-mas-- "Totalled!" (Helldorado; Direct Hit) 23.The Sonics-- "Dirty Robber/Have Love Will Travel" (Here are the Sonics) 24.Pink Faries-- "Teenage Rebel" (Never Never Land; Polydor) 25.Guild Navigators-- "Acoustic Blackmale" (Phase 1: '91-'97) 26.Chrome-- "Armageddon" (Third from the Sun/Chrome Box; Cleopatra) 27.Faust-- "Why Don't You Eat Carrots" (ST'd; Collector's Choice) 28.Vas Deferens Org/Electric Co-- "Extracting Epiphanies from the Thicket of Implausibility" (More Pelvis Wick for the Baloney Boners; Tekito) 29.The Residents-- "Skratz" (Meet the Residents/Hell!; Ralph/Ryko Disc) 30.Mushroom-- "Let's Have Sex" (Compared to What; Innerspace) 31.Big Swifty and Associates-- "Absolutely Free" (Wouldn't You Rather be Involved in a Series of Colorful Time-Wasting Trends?) 32.God-- "Cash on the Nose" (God's Greatest Hits Vol. 2) 33.Can-- "TV Spot" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) 34.Zappa/Mothers-- "Trouble Every Day/Louie Louie" (Unmitigated Audacity/Rhino) thanks, Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 17:37:36 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:37:36 EST Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: does the mystery continue with "give her the gun"? which mystery is that? maybe i can help bobm From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 3 18:52:53 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (-uF0-) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:52:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) In-Reply-To: <69.1d5e7dba.2915cbb1@aol.com> Message-ID: <> bobm I see that out of their entire catalog of recompiling the first 3 records in many forms- the 1993 Decca Years CD adds "give her the gun" where nothing else has it- maybe a Hocus Pocus tune or a cover? however it is not a UFO single- also saw that Lazza is on a bootleg (presumably) CD but the the date and venue are not mentioned- that would be rather interesting- thanks:-) m From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 18:46:22 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:46:22 EST Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: <<>> it surely was a UFO single; first with schenker and not 'attatched' to any particular lp. 'give her the gun'/'sweet little thing'. it's also on a 2cd set called the singles collection, or the complete singles, etc etc that came out in 99(?) bobm From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Nov 3 22:33:49 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:33:49 -0500 Subject: MQB show Message-ID: Yeah,well didn't make it... driving down the interstate to st.pete and the old car craps out gotta tow it home,...life sucks well-maybe next time(hope there is a next time) hope show went well tim From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 05:34:17 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 10:34:17 -0000 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I will be at Cardiff, Brighton, walthamstow and the xmas gig at the forum. Look out for a guy in a bright greenish hawkwind t-dye. cheers Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin J Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:52 PM Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > I will be at: > Swindon > Birmingham > Hitchin > Brighton > Walthamstow > > COLIN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > > > > I will be at Liverpool, Hitchin and Walthamstow. > > > > Alastair. > > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:54:32 -0600, Arin Komins > > wrote: > > > > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Z E Itgeist wrote: > > > > > >:Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser > > >: > > >:Am putting maps and directions on the web page when locations are > agreed. > > >: > > >:http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > >: > > > > > >Hey... > > > > > >To add to this page: > > > > > >I'm probably going to be at: > > > > > >nottingham, birmingham, manchester, liverpool, glasgow, edinburgh, > > >newcastle, cardiff, hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, > > >walthamstow > > > > > >Eric Siegerman (who I really need to call about arrangements...sorry > Eric, > > >life's been hellish) previously indicated that he'd be at cardiff, > > >hitchin, poole, salisbury, torquay, brighton, walthamstow (roughly, and > he > > >should confirm that.) > > > > > >Denis Regenbrecht will probably be at Walthamstow, will a few others. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Arin > > >(the terribly stressed) > > >-- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > > >Manager of Web Systems Architecture > > >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > > >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 06:29:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:29:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Haven't got long, but basically: Simon House: superb violin skills and music (though shame about the singing bits.....) HW: the best I've ever heard them, with almost my dream HW lineup (Huw, Simon H, Alan, Richard and Dave). Set roughly the same as at the RFH but with added "Brainbox Pollution"!!! Great Gig, with fabulous sound mix. Only spoiled slightly by everyone having to sit down (it was in a theatre). Well done all in the Hawkwind camp! ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 4 09:47:33 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:47:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO (give her the gun) In-Reply-To: <10d.80eb111.2915dbce@aol.com> Message-ID: <> oh sorry- oops!! (blushing) so they tainted pure blood with blondielocks huh? good thing I found a sealed "Best Of" LP with Galactic L., and another unscathed copy of the profile comp. last night I suppose I'll get that CD when I can even though it's faulty... like Walk on Water and the newer one however- not bad for a Michael Michael Motorcycle with a wedge shaped ukulele.. From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Nov 4 08:52:20 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:52:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20011103204625.E19316@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:46:25PM +0000 Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:46:25PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:22:59PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson typed out: > > > > I kinda like "Beat 'em Up" for reasons I don't entirely understand :) > > I maintain, well, I have done before and look here I go again, > that `Beat 'Em Up' is a fine song ruined by incredibly bad lyrics. At > least I thought they were incredibly bad till I heard `I Just Like to be > Bad' and now I yearn for the old days. But musically there's nothing wrong > with it at all. It is the only track on CN which can be so praised, though > in fact I would probably save `White Flags' also. White Flags is a pretty good pop song, though what it's doing on a BOC album is sort of beyond me... But aren't you forgetting Perfect Water? In spite of a couple of godawful verses ("Do you know Jacques Cousteau? Well he said on the radio...") I think it's actually the best and most BOC-ish tune on that album. Steve From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 4 09:31:37 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:31:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) Message-ID: and on the Radio Sessions/BBC In Concert CD that has to rate as one of the best of the Chrysalis years era CD's if not THE best. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C. Mayo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: OFF: UFO (was: SD2001) > << nothing else has it- maybe a Hocus Pocus tune or a cover? however it is > not a UFO single->>> > > it surely was a UFO single; first with schenker and not 'attatched' to any particular lp. 'give her the gun'/'sweet little thing'. it's also on a 2cd set called the singles collection, or the complete singles, etc etc that came out in 99(?) > bobm From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 10:37:26 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:37:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Well, as Steve has already indicated...what a gig!!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't manage to meet any list members at the pub before the gig, though did get to say a quick hello to Mike (Wright) at the venue. Firstly, no Tim Blake (reason unexplained) so Simon House opened (double good fortune here...I've always been unlucky before and never caught a gig with him playing). A very enjoyable set, have to again agree with Steve: a pity about the singing (for older UK list members, it was a bit like the endings of the old Mike Yarwood TV shows "and this is me...") but *what a musician*. So, spirits and omens were good for the main set. The Wyvern Theatre (a small but not too small venue) was full and it was interesting to note the make up of the audience..a lot of families with small children for instance. Despite it being the opener for the RFH gig, a surprise to hear Lighthouse without Tim, but Dave did a good job on the vocals. Highspots? Most of the gig really. For anybody with lingering doubts about Huw's ability these days....this man was the star of the show: really enjoying himself and producing a performance as good as I've ever seen him play. He also worked well with Simon (despite some unfortunate technical problems that Simon was having) and I felt the two of them left eachother enough musical space for two lead instruments to work. Should note, Simon also played a lot of keyboards which I guessing was down to Tim's absence. Negatives? No many. Can't believe the latest CD releases weren't on sale! Note, for people after Weird 6 - this was! And, I've got to say, Assassins of Allah...didn't need it. A nervous groan went around the hall when it was introduced (though this prompted DB to talk about it's relevance) and although it went down well (middle section was very good)...to be honest I still think it's inappropriate at the moment and very tired. But, hey, everything else was great! (Two encores!) Thought the band sounded really together and well rehearsed and really, probably the best HW show that I've seen...very special indeed. Hope this line-up can keep together for a good time to come. List members going to other gigs on this tour, if Swindon was anything to go by you are in for a real treat. Ian From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 11:38:55 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:38:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: I see from Mission Control that Jerry and Ron have not been sacked - and that they've been asked to get back in touch. Hope they do! Dave From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 10:47:46 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:47:46 -0000 Subject: HW: edinburgh tickets Message-ID: Hi Arin I can get you an Edinburgh ticket - no problem. Let me know if you want me to do this. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: HW: edinburgh tickets > Hi folks, > > The Liquid Rooms is advertising the gig as sold out :-( > > Anyone have any ideas where extra tickets might be acquired? > > Thanks, > > Arin > (this is what I get for doing things at the last minute. sigh.) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 11:05:55 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:05:55 -0000 Subject: what is going on? Message-ID: i typed in http://www.hawkwind.co.uk/ into my url and up comes nik turners www.nikturner.com??? colm From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 12:04:58 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:04:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Glasgow gig - pub Message-ID: The Griffin is situated at the corner of Bath St and Elmbank St. The nearest landmark is the Kings Theatre which is diagonally opposite on the other side of the junction. The Griffin is ideal for the venue (The Garage, in Sauchiehall St). To get to the Garage from the Griffin: leave the pub turn right and walk down Elmbank St. until Sauchiehall St. (40 metres walk).Turn left and walk down Sauchiehall St (100 metres) to the venue. The Garage is on the other sie of the street - you can't miss it as there is a Truck sticking out of the wall above the entrance. For those coming by train: I would advise getting a cab from Central Station (about ?3) - either that on leaving Central Station turn left and then first right (and walk up Hope St until it reaches Bath St). At Bath St turn left and walk up Bath St until reaching the Kings - the Griffin is on the other side of the street. The walk wil take you about 20 minutes - I would say grab a cab. >From Queen Street the fastest and easiest way is to get a low level train (not the Underground) to Charing Cross, a one station journey. On arriving at Charing Cross- leave the Station turn left into Elmback Cres - walk up Elmbank Cres past the multi-storey carpark. this will take you to Elmbank St. - look left, the Griffin can be seen from here. For Hotels I would suggest the Premier Lodge Tower - which sits above Charing Cross Station -?46 per night which is reasonable for Glasgow and the place is okay. Travelling by car: come off the M8 at Junction 18. From the East this means coming off at the Charing X junction on the right. Then follow the slip road around to the left. This brings you onto Sauchiehall St and you will pass the venue. >From the west follow the slip road which curves round to the right over the motorway. At the first set of lights turn left - continue up the hill through the next set of lights. At the next junction - an odd kind of Y affair turn left. Then turn right, drive down the road until you reach Bath St. The Griffin is the next junction down on the left. Flying? From Prestwick get the train to Central Station. >From Glasgow Airport: get the Airport bus into Glasgow andthen a taxi - if needed. Avoid getting a taxi from the airport- it' expensive. See you at the gig - mail me off-list if you intend coming to the Griffin. Dave From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 12:11:36 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:11:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: I hope they drop this from the set. Even before recent events it was soundind "tired". Dave And, I've got to say, Assassins of Allah...didn't need it. A nervous groan went around the hall when it was introduced (though this prompted DB to talk about it's relevance) and although it went down well (middle section was very good)...to be honest I still think it's inappropriate at the moment and very tired. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 3 18:03:18 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:03:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Picture Log Box Set price Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know what a fair price for the 1987 Flicknife box set is? 3 picture disks - Chronicles, Out & Intake & Do Not Panic plus Interview disk. Plus insert sheet & badge. Perfect condition. Cheers, Jez From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 12:41:55 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:41:55 +0000 Subject: Brain Surgeons sterling Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 4 12:46:38 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:46:38 EST Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/01 11:11:36 AM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << And, I've got to say, Assassins of Allah...didn't need it. A nervous groan went around the hall when it was introduced (though this prompted DB to talk about its relevance) and although it went down well (middle section was very good)...to be honest I still think it's inappropriate at the moment and very tired. >> ...and what did mr. brock say regarding "its relevance"? "relevant" to who? and for why? I'd concur with what you say. "inaproriate" and "tired" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 4 12:53:53 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:53:53 EST Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/01 12:46:58 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << "inappropriate" and "tired" >> oh sugar; didnt mean to send it just then; hit 'send' instead of 'spell-check'. "camera in the clouds click from far away praise be unto allah the infidels will pay grains of desert sand minions of our lord suffering and ruin this is your reward" "<>" just lurking, I tell yiz, just lurking..... From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 13:13:06 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:13:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: dave hall wrote: > I see from Mission Control that Jerry and Ron have not been sacked - and that they've been asked to get back in touch. Hope they do! oops - careful (hahahahahahahahahaha)!!**lkdjf9-w4y-c41b vyu9 m-91c m. abden From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 13:19:26 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: > > << And, I've got to say, Assassins of Allah...didn't need it. A nervous groan > > went around the hall when it was introduced (though this prompted DB to talk > > about its relevance) and although it went down well (middle section was > > very good)...to be honest I still think it's inappropriate at the moment and > > very tired. > > >> > > ...and what did mr. brock say regarding "its relevance"? > "relevant" to who? and for why? > > I'd concur with what you say. "inaproriate" and "tired" Dave's comment was that Bob Calvert had written the song over 20 years ago about dollars & oil and it's still going on today (that's the jist of it). Actually, that doesn't make it relevant, does it? Unless you want to get into conspiracy theories, and that's *not* my glass of Coke, thanks... But, hate to be be negative...still a fantastic gig Ian From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 4 14:54:22 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:54:22 -0600 Subject: what is going on? In-Reply-To: <004401c1654a$982177c0$69b51e3e@gypo> Message-ID: <<"i typed in http://www.hawkwind.co.uk/ into my url and up comes nik turners www.nikturner.com???">> colm it's XHAWKWIND again has to be MATRIX I'm much too drunk (for this now) bye m From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 4 14:25:35 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 14:25:35 EST Subject: Manchester Message-ID: Anyone know of a decent place to go pre-concert? GutterCat. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 16:14:03 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:14:03 -0000 Subject: HW:Nikturner.com Message-ID: Having just visited this site to see what the Thunder Rider is up to I'm pleased to see that ICU are gigging. Hopefully they'll make it to Glasgow. I admit I did smirk to myself when reading the decription of Hawkestra 2001 i.e. the X-In Search OfSpace years, the Calvert years, more recent times, and so on. Dave doesn't get a mention by the way, may be that it should read the Dave Brock years 1969 - onwards. Just having a laugh!! Arf Arf. Dave From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 4 15:12:23 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:12:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Picture Log Box Set price Message-ID: IMO This is the Official Picture Log Book and is fairly rare - especially with all its bits. Most Kollectors who have this will want to hang onto it. The best way of assessing a median market price is to check it in the Record Collector Rare Records Price Guide which lists it at 40.00 UK pounds and I'd say this was a perfectly fair price. I'd certainly be willing to pay more if required because this particular box set has (unlike the Approved History) never been reissued (to the best of my knowledge). However it is not a particularly attractive set. It was in fact created from albums already issued with simply an image of the album sleeve printed in a square on each side of the black vinyl. They are therefore the strangest "picture discs" I've ever seen and really quite ugly. But anyhow ?40 - ?60 (if you are feeling generous or desperate) would be my suggestion. jill ----------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jez Dacombe To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: HW: Picture Log Box Set price Hi, Anyone know what a fair price for the 1987 Flicknife box set is? 3 picture disks - Chronicles, Out & Intake & Do Not Panic plus Interview disk. Plus insert sheet & badge. Perfect condition. Cheers, Jez From coral at APORT.RU Sun Nov 4 15:16:29 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:16:29 +0300 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: > Dave's comment was that Bob Calvert had written the song over 20 years ago > about dollars & oil and it's still going on today (that's the jist of it). > Actually, that doesn't make it relevant, does it? Unless you want to get > into conspiracy theories, and that's *not* my glass of Coke, thanks... > > But, hate to be be negative...still a fantastic gig I agree with Dave Brock on this. It's really relevant today. And a great song! Why should they drop this song because of recent events? Maybe Ali should turned from Islam then? HW is a band of freedom and they should do what they want. Alisa From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 4 17:18:58 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:18:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: The OMNI Fine Art Gallery Message-ID: http://www.omnimag.com/gallery/index.html From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 4 17:40:52 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:40:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge of Desire Message-ID: http://www.omnimag.com/antimatter/new/stonehen.html From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 4 19:26:32 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:26:32 -0000 Subject: OFF: Concert Message-ID: Hi everyone, If anyone in the North East of England is into ambient/electronic music, may I recommend two concerts taking place up there, a rare thing in itself to have any electronic music concerts in the UK these days, and details are as follows - put them in the diary. Andy G. =============== Just a reminder of the first of the DiN label concerts. DiN series concerts @ The Buddle Arts Centre. Buddle Arts Centre, 258b Station Road, Wallsend Tyne & Wear NE28 8RH UK Tel/fax +44 (0) 191 200 7133 Saturday 1 December 2001 Dub Atomica Saturday 23 February 2002 Centrozoon Tickets ?4 advance ?5 on the door 8pm / licensed bar from 7.30pm This information is also on the DiN web site. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 4 19:30:04 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:30:04 -0000 Subject: HW - tape info Message-ID: Hi, Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Concert Attendance > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > There is a virus about - it's called 'poor concert attendance'. > > Over here in the UK we have always had the idea that the USA events such as > > this would pull in more of an audience, but this now seems to be so rampant > > a situatiion everywhere. > > On the electronic music front, an annual event in Holland previously called > > Klem, now 'E-live' has been canceleled this year due to poor ticket sales - > > 4 years ago they were getting over 1000 people. The partner event, Alpha > > Centauri, only got 600+ people this year by getting Rick Wakeman to > > headline. In the UK, you couldn't put on the annual electronic music > > festivals we used to do without reckoning on around 125 people where it used > > to be 300-400+. > > On the space-rock front, Alan Davey's gigs are getting better attended but > > the average audience is rarely into three figures, low even for some of the > > small venues played, while Spacehead and Dr Hasbeen havea similar situation. > > Yet Hawkwind still do it wherever they go, obviously the known name that > > people put themselves out for. > > The theory runs that those of a 'certain age' or income bracket are either > > jaundiced of all the small conceerts and only go to big ones - or if they > > have to travel distance to the gigs,then the expensive peripherals make it > > all too much - and so on. > > So, are the up and coming bands, even the known ones, doomed to play to such > > small audiences and is there no way of redressing this situation? > > Just a thought for all........... > > I don't think this is the whole answer but I'm inclined to blame > the Internet for this. The things is that it's a marvellous tool for > reaching the people who care about such and such a band. You know where > all your fans are and so obviously you concentrate your effort there. But > it's no substitute for getting out there and putting posters up, getting > people onto venue mailing lists, handing out flyers, because those people > you reach with the net are *thousands* of miles apart and not many of them > will go to more than one gig. I think part of the problem is that the net > *seems* like such a useful publicity tool that people forget to use the > others. The net should be where people go to get information about an > event they've heard about, but there's so much of it that the people you > *need* to reach, the locals who'll just come to see or because it might be > a laugh and they can always go down the pub instead, the people you > *can't* rely on to find out by word of mouth, will never stumble across it > there. They need to walk past a poster by accident. > > Of course fewer people are going to concerts because travel costs > are going up, and home entertainment is so much better than it used to be > and so much cheaper than going out; but I'm not sure everyone does > everything they can to fight this. I've never had the time to do it > properly myself but I've not seen many other band posters round here > since... well, the Bedouin gig before the one I organised, which was > nearly three years ago now. That's my thoughts on the matter, anyway. They > may not be terribly coherent as I'm falling asleep at the keyboard but > there you go. Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Blue Oyster Cult_ > -- > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 5 01:26:53 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 01:26:53 -0500 Subject: HW: - tape info Message-ID: AG asked... >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? >Andy G. Snorkwind wasn't it? I remember those gigs being discussed here at one point, a couple years back. Weren't they still performing under this moniker during the mid-90s? I thought so. Grakkl (FAA) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Mon Nov 5 01:54:18 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 01:54:18 -0500 Subject: Looking for Strange Daze 2001 audio/video Message-ID: If anyone has audio and/or video from Strange Daze 2001 they can hook me up with please contact me off-list. I'm particularly looking for sets by Alien Planetscapes, Speaker/Cranker, Heavy Liquid, and JFK Jr Royal Airforce. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Mon Nov 5 02:58:49 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 02:58:49 -0500 Subject: what is going on? Message-ID: Colm, Nik or some nominee of his has just registered the domain name hawkwind.co.uk, this is why going to that address shows you all this nik turner stuff. To me, this is the crux of the problem with Mr. Turner. I agree that the way to respond to his release of substandard CD's is not to buy them. But registering that domain name, playing as XHawkwind, claiming the moral high ground with protestations that "hawkwind/hawkestra is supposed to be about love and peace" - there's one big problem with all of this. Nik is not Hawkwind, he's not in Hawkwind, he doesn't own the name Hawkwind, and somebody else is, is and does. Nik should be perfectly free to make money from his music, but this ought to be under his own name rather than masquerading as Hawkwind. ICU is not my cup of tea but plenty of people like that stuff, it was Nik's band, and I can't see any reason why he shouldn't sail under that perfectly respectable flag. Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:05:55 -0000, Colm McWilliams wrote: >i typed in http://www.hawkwind.co.uk/ into my url and up comes > >nik turners www.nikturner.com??? > >colm From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM Mon Nov 5 03:51:00 2001 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:51:00 +0100 Subject: AW: HW - tape info Message-ID: Hi >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? As far as I know the correct name was SNORKWIND I do not know how often this lineup played. The only known tape is the Oxford 86 one. Dave was not on board. It wasn't a good gig, though they played "Hurry On Sundown" and "All Along The Watchtower" Bernhard Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 5 03:54:57 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:54:57 +0000 Subject: HW - tape info Message-ID: Hi, Wasn't 'Snorkwind' one of Alan Davey's tribute bands, pre-Bedouin? >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW - tape info >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:30:04 -0000 > >Hi, >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Jarrett" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:53 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: Concert Attendance > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > > > There is a virus about - it's called 'poor concert attendance'. > > > Over here in the UK we have always had the idea that the USA events >such >as > > > this would pull in more of an audience, but this now seems to be so >rampant > > > a situatiion everywhere. > > > On the electronic music front, an annual event in Holland previously >called > > > Klem, now 'E-live' has been canceleled this year due to poor ticket >sales - > > > 4 years ago they were getting over 1000 people. The partner event, >Alpha > > > Centauri, only got 600+ people this year by getting Rick Wakeman to > > > headline. In the UK, you couldn't put on the annual electronic music > > > festivals we used to do without reckoning on around 125 people where >it >used > > > to be 300-400+. > > > On the space-rock front, Alan Davey's gigs are getting better attended >but > > > the average audience is rarely into three figures, low even for some >of >the > > > small venues played, while Spacehead and Dr Hasbeen havea similar >situation. > > > Yet Hawkwind still do it wherever they go, obviously the known name >that > > > people put themselves out for. > > > The theory runs that those of a 'certain age' or income bracket are >either > > > jaundiced of all the small conceerts and only go to big ones - or if >they > > > have to travel distance to the gigs,then the expensive peripherals >make >it > > > all too much - and so on. > > > So, are the up and coming bands, even the known ones, doomed to play >to >such > > > small audiences and is there no way of redressing this situation? > > > Just a thought for all........... > > > > I don't think this is the whole answer but I'm inclined to blame > > the Internet for this. The things is that it's a marvellous tool for > > reaching the people who care about such and such a band. You know where > > all your fans are and so obviously you concentrate your effort there. >But > > it's no substitute for getting out there and putting posters up, getting > > people onto venue mailing lists, handing out flyers, because those >people > > you reach with the net are *thousands* of miles apart and not many of >them > > will go to more than one gig. I think part of the problem is that the >net > > *seems* like such a useful publicity tool that people forget to use the > > others. The net should be where people go to get information about an > > event they've heard about, but there's so much of it that the people you > > *need* to reach, the locals who'll just come to see or because it might >be > > a laugh and they can always go down the pub instead, the people you > > *can't* rely on to find out by word of mouth, will never stumble across >it > > there. They need to walk past a poster by accident. > > > > Of course fewer people are going to concerts because travel >costs > > are going up, and home entertainment is so much better than it used to >be > > and so much cheaper than going out; but I'm not sure everyone does > > everything they can to fight this. I've never had the time to do it > > properly myself but I've not seen many other band posters round here > > since... well, the Bedouin gig before the one I organised, which was > > nearly three years ago now. That's my thoughts on the matter, anyway. >They > > may not be terribly coherent as I'm falling asleep at the keyboard but > > there you go. Yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Blue Oyster Cult_ > > -- > > Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, > > (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." > > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Mon Nov 5 03:58:12 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 03:58:12 -0500 Subject: HW: new website Message-ID: Dear BOC-L'ers I humbly introduce to you Starfarer's Hawkwind Page: http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html I have included a very few bits and pieces that came from elsewhere. If you were the original author of anything on the site, let me know and I can give you the credit, make any amendments you want, remove the offending material etc.. Apologies in advance if I have trodden on anyone's toes here. I also would like someone (but only 1 person, please) to post this info to the Yahoo Hawkwind group, to which I can no longer post for some whacko reason...thanks. All comments welcomed (but bear in mind I'm no web techie). Enjoy the tour. Steve a.k.a Starfarer (my site), Moonglum (here), and Mooongluum (IRC) From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 5 04:04:29 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:04:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: I agree with you, Alice, too. I wonder how many people would be burning their copies of 'Urban Guerilla' if Saturday's car-bomb had fully detonated in Birmingham. And also, I haven't noticed the coilition going into NI yet. Bob Calvert was a clever man, and he wrote on many levels..... >From: Alice > >I agree with Dave Brock on this. It's really relevant today. And a great >song! Why should they drop this song because of recent events? Maybe Ali >should turned from Islam then? > >HW is a band of freedom and they should do what they want. > >Alisa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 5 05:14:02 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:14:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Ohhhh, what a GIG !! The sound was terrific,the spaceship Hawkwind definately took off on Saturday night. It was great to sitdown and watch the band, never done that before < heheh> might try it again sometime.... Only thing I couldn't hear was Simons Violin during Spiral Galaxy. Best game of the night seemed to be trying to smoke your pot before getting noticed by the Ushers & Usherettes, hense many people kept bobbing up and down all night under their seat.. well funny. Looking forward to Cardiff and Dublin !!!!! Iain Steve Litchfield wrote: > Haven't got long, but basically: > > Simon House: superb violin skills and music (though shame about the > singing bits.....) > > HW: the best I've ever heard them, with almost my dream HW lineup (Huw, > Simon H, Alan, Richard and Dave). Set roughly the same as at the RFH but > with added "Brainbox Pollution"!!! > > Great Gig, with fabulous sound mix. Only spoiled slightly by everyone > having to sit down (it was in a theatre). > > Well done all in the Hawkwind camp! > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Nov 5 06:04:47 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:04:47 -0500 Subject: Kings of Speed Message-ID: Does anyone have a good CD-r or tape recording to trade from a live date between 1/12/89-18/12/89, featuring a good version of Kings of Speed? 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From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 5 06:54:28 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:54:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Edinburgh tickets Message-ID: Ripping Records still have them listed http://www.rippingrecords.com/tickets01.html From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 5 07:00:19 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:00:19 -0500 Subject: UFO Galactic Love Message-ID: Was released as a single, only appeared on compilation albums. >>> Amongst other UFO/Bolton stuff, I've got a "The Best of UFO" LP that is covering those years - and it does open with the track "Galactic Love". It's not present on either of s/t, Flying or UFO Live. Anyone knows anything about the origin of that particular track? >Stephan .joe From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 5 07:02:59 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:02:59 -0500 Subject: OFF UFO:Latest news Message-ID: As published this week on Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground for all the latest rock and / or roll news you need. http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk Sign up for weekly newsletter. "Michael Schenker Group tour dates, 11/26 - 11/28 - House Of Blues, Chicago, IL 11/29 - Otto's, DeKalb, IL 12/1 - Pop's, Sauget, IL 12/5 - Icon Supperclub, Palo Alto, CA 12/8 - Ventura Theater, Ventura, CA 12/11 - House Of Blues, West Hollywood, CA There's also talk of a December 7 in California featuring MSG, Plot, and Walking Tall, with Plot being a new band featuring Schenker, his UFO mate Pete Way on bass and vocals, and a female guitarist. Plot may play more shows on the MSG tour, and MSG might also play some warm-up gigs before the three-night stand in Chicago." From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 5 07:09:20 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:09:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO - Give Her The Gun + rarities Message-ID: At the risk of repeating myself - single only. And if you want to drool over part of my UFO collection go to http://the-rocker.netfirms.com/ufo.html From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 5 07:23:28 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:23:28 GMT Subject: Pub for Liverpool gig Message-ID: Here we go. Can we add this to the file? Lime Street is (as Liver Birds fans will know) the main train station in Liverpool. FoFP ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Mike, > > The pub is the Head of Steam. It's on Lime Street (opposite St George's > Hall). It has several bars. The real ale pumps are in the bar at the Lord > Nelson Street end. Coming from the railway station, head past the ticket > offices, through the glass doors at that end of the station, into Lord > Nelson Street, turn left, and there's an entrance to the pub just a few > yards down the street. > > Nick ---- End of forwarded text ---- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 5 06:27:16 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:27:16 EDT Subject: what is going on? In-Reply-To: <200111050758.CAA14072@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 5 Nov 2001, at 2:58, Moonglum . wrote: > Colm, > > Nik or some nominee of his has just registered the domain name > hawkwind.co.uk, this is why going to that address shows you all this > nik turner stuff. > > To me, this is the crux of the problem with Mr. Turner. I agree that > the way to respond to his release of substandard CD's is not to buy > them. But registering that domain name, playing as XHawkwind, > claiming the moral high ground with protestations that > "hawkwind/hawkestra is supposed to be about love and peace" - there's > one big problem with all of this. Nik is not Hawkwind, he's not in > Hawkwind, he doesn't own the name Hawkwind, and somebody else is, is > and does. > > Nik should be perfectly free to make money from his music, but this > ought to be under his own name rather than masquerading as Hawkwind. > ICU is not my cup of tea but plenty of people like that stuff, it was > Nik's band, and I can't see any reason why he shouldn't sail under > that perfectly respectable flag. > I've been following this saga with some interest, and don't really have an opinion either way. But what if, say, Sandy Pearlman wanted to form another band and call it Blue ?yster Cult? He did name the band--much to the group's discomfort, and supposedly 'owns' the rights to it. Who named Hawkwind? Nik or Dave? theo From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 5 07:33:32 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:33:32 -0500 Subject: HW Social Convenor Message-ID: More updates at http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show, and we now have a split in the camp at Newcastle, hence the newly created Wattestra. Life imitating art? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 08:54:57 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:54:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO - Give Her The Gun + rarities In-Reply-To: <200111051209.HAA15546@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I'll have the ones on the second row, far left and far right..... how about this then, - why did they really get rid of Bolton? and why did he disappear off the map? is he around today?? got an e-mail? I wish to kiss up. nice collection Stuart- can you do me up a page for just the Bolton stuff? got any live pix, etc.? I promise to drool...and more.....why is Schenker included on the "Decca Years" CD, or more properly- did they do re-takes of Bolton era songs and if I buy that CD will I be getting more than that one Schenker track or will it feature "my hero" (is chortle appropriate here>) as I am assuming it does... m >>>At the risk of repeating myself - single only. >>>And if you want to drool over part of my UFO collection go to >>>http://the-rocker.netfirms.com/ufo.html From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 09:17:30 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:17:30 -0600 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <3BE6666A.5E6D43B2@aol.com> Message-ID: <> Iain. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's really bad in the states now- everybody's chicken-(the masses) we're not in Kansas anymore (the 70's).....what happened? are people too stingy? or is it politically "incorrect" to make yuppies inhale smoke that makes them sneeze, develop itchy hives, want munchies, feel sleepy, possibly giggle out loud, etc??? m From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 5 08:15:09 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:15:09 -0500 Subject: what is going on? In-Reply-To: <200111050758.CAA14072@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Moonglum . wrote: => Nik or some nominee of his has just registered the domain name => hawkwind.co.uk, this is why going to that address shows you all this nik => turner stuff. "Just" registered it, in geologic time, maybe. :-) It was actually registered on 1998-09-28: Domain Name: HAWKWIND.CO.UK Registered For: SCL Ceredigion Domain Registered By: SCL Registered on 29-Sep-1998. Record last updated on 25-Aug-2000 by jt at Nominet. Domain servers listed in order: NS.SCL.CO.UK 212.38.81.5 NS1.US.NET-WORK.NET 206.246.91.2 WHOIS database last updated at 01:35:01 05-Nov-2001 Obviously Nik was well ahead of the game, and recognised the importance of securing an Internet presence even back then. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 5 08:20:30 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Beautiful Foot) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:20:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: I can wholeheartedly recommend Tortoise. I've never heard Mogwai, and I'm a fan of GYBE! so I would disagree with any comparison there apart from both bands being instrumental and experimental. Typically for me, my favourites would be Tortoise and Millions Living Will Never Die (their 1st and 2nd LPs). Very mellow, but quite intense. It's very very good headphone music. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? > Hey - > > Anyone heard of Mogwai and Tortoise? From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 08:49:22 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:49:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: OK, I now take back all I said about HLL, HW sounded superb with him playing. Highlights for me were Lives of Great Men (played as on Palace Springs, always a favourite of mine) and Motorway City. Also, the instrumental from the end of Damnation Alley sounded amazing. Regarding Simon House's singing....it reminded me of Vic Reeves' club singer parody. It wasn't just the voice though, the Lyrics to what I believe is called 'City of Dreams' went something like Make love, make love In the city of dreams Make love, make love I'll take you to the extreme .....I mean, what's that all about?? Fair play to him for giving it a go though, he obviously wasn't confident about his vocal talents. Brilliant gig though!! I might go to Salisbury as well now. cheers - Rob From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 5 09:15:17 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:15:17 -0700 Subject: new website In-Reply-To: <200111050858.DAA14305@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I'm afraid I broke your page.... I was just checking out the sound files, and the last few gave me Yahoo page errors, which I assumed were of the "file not found" type, but then I read one: it said something like "This site's download limit has been exceeded." These sites (Yahoo GeoCities) definitely don't like people not getting blasted in the face with their banner ads at every possible opportunity..... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Moonglum . > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 1:58 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: new website > > > Dear BOC-L'ers > > I humbly introduce to you Starfarer's Hawkwind Page: > http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html > > I have included a very few bits and pieces that came from elsewhere. If > you were the original author of anything on the site, let me know > and I can > give you the credit, make any amendments you want, remove the offending > material etc.. Apologies in advance if I have trodden on anyone's toes > here. > > I also would like someone (but only 1 person, please) to post this info to > the Yahoo Hawkwind group, to which I can no longer post for some whacko > reason...thanks. > > All comments welcomed (but bear in mind I'm no web techie). > > Enjoy the tour. > > Steve > a.k.a Starfarer (my site), Moonglum (here), and Mooongluum (IRC) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 5 09:56:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:56:23 GMT Subject: HW: edinburgh tickets In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:11:14 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hi folks, > > The Liquid Rooms is advertising the gig as sold out :-( > > Anyone have any ideas where extra tickets might be acquired? I just got tickets for Friends through Way Ahead 0141 339 8383 FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 5 10:11:44 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:11:44 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Alice's message of Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:16:29 +0300 Message-ID: Alice writes: > > Dave's comment was that Bob Calvert had written the song over 20 > > years ago about dollars & oil and it's still going on today (that's > > the jist of it). Actually, that doesn't make it relevant, does it? > > Unless you want to get into conspiracy theories, and that's *not* my > > glass of Coke, thanks... Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha to the extent that Mohammed Atta is described as having tied a red sash around his head during the capture of the plane. That was the trademark of one of the Hashishin on an assasination run. Keep in the mountains. Check. Obscure Islamic sect. Check. Connections in the Saudi royal family. Check. Reward in paradise. Check. Infiltration and assasination politics. Check. > I agree with Dave Brock on this. It's really relevant today. And a > great song! Yep. Keep it in the set at all costs. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 5 09:23:38 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:23:38 EDT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111051511.PAA17404@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 5 Nov 2001, at 15:11, M Holmes wrote: Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha to the extent > that Mohammed Atta is described as having tied a red sash around his > head during the capture of the plane. That was the trademark of one of > the Hashishin on an assasination run. > Or, maybe he thought he was Rambo? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 5 10:24:38 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:24:38 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: mark cotton's message of Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: mark cotton writes: > I agree with you, Alice, too. I wonder how many people would be > burning their copies of 'Urban Guerilla' if Saturday's car-bomb had > fully detonated in Birmingham. And also, I haven't noticed the > coilition going into NI yet. Don't kid yourself. On 11/9/01 an American diplomat turned to Gerry Adams and told him the game had changed: Americans wouldn't be supporting terrorism any longer and if they didn't disarm, they'd be an illegal organisation in the US before they could say "United Ireland". The IRA finally started disarmament purely because of this. Blair has also earned enough brownie points from Bush that it's a cert that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA will be on Ashcroft's list of proscribed terrorist organisations. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 5 09:42:14 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:42:14 EDT Subject: OFF: 'terror' In-Reply-To: <200111051524.PAA24062@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 5 Nov 2001, at 15:24, M Holmes wrote: Blair has also earned enough brownie points from Bush that it's a cert > that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA will be on Ashcroft's list of > proscribed terrorist organisations. > Oh, absolutely. Why do you think Tony jumped in from the get-go? And a lot easier target than guys burried under a mountain range... theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 10:53:59 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:53:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:11:44 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha But I rather doubt he feeds his followers hashish to keep them on-message. I don't think there's any argument that the song is eerily relevant to current events. The real question is whether or not one feels comfortable partying on down to it at HW gigs. Is it a worthwhile comment on what's going on, or does it trivialise matters? That's a personal, subjective thing, and I have to say I felt rather uncomfortable when the song was played at the RFH. Perhaps , as I mentioned elsehwere, the dickhead behind me who kept shouting out "Saddam bin Davey!" had already put me on edge. Having said all that, I'm still glad to have the storming new live version on Yule Ritual, as up to now there hasn't been a really good live version released IMHO. NM From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 5 11:00:06 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:00:06 GMT Subject: OFF: 'terror' In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson's message of Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:42:14 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson writes: > Blair has also earned enough brownie points from Bush that it's a cert > > that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA will be on Ashcroft's list of > > proscribed terrorist organisations. > Oh, absolutely. Why do you think Tony jumped in from the get-go? > And a lot easier target than guys burried under a mountain range... I liked the solution in "Cryptonomicon": 1) Drill hole. 2) Pour in fuel. 3) Drop match. Just for art, this time I'd make it aircraft fuel. FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Nov 5 11:22:55 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:22:55 -0600 Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? Message-ID: Hi folks, Where are folks staying for Walthamstow? I've been looking around, and I can't really find anything directly by Walthamstow, so I'm being tempted to go for something elsewhere in london, but if anyone knew of a good place close by, could you please let me know? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 5 11:34:50 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:34:50 -0500 Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Arin wrote: > Where are folks staying for Walthamstow? > > I've been looking around, and I can't really find anything directly > by Walthamstow, so I'm being tempted to go for something elsewhere in > london, but if anyone knew of a good place close by, could you please let > me know? Nick Saloman lives in Walthamstow doesn't he? ;-) Brian obSONG> "The Earl of Walthamstowe" The Bevis Frond From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 5 11:28:50 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:28:50 -0000 Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? Message-ID: I live just down the road and since I'll be going (touch wood), you're welcome to crash at mine (only one or two people - I've already got too many people crashing at mine)! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? > Hi folks, > > Where are folks staying for Walthamstow? > > I've been looking around, and I can't really find anything directly > by Walthamstow, so I'm being tempted to go for something elsewhere in > london, but if anyone knew of a good place close by, could you please let > me know? > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 5 11:59:36 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:59:36 EST Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/01 10:24:39 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha to the extent > that Mohammed Atta is described as having tied a red sash around his > head during the capture of the plane. That was the trademark of one of > the Hashishin on an assasination run. > Or, maybe he thought he was Rambo? theo >> Mastuh Theo, at least Rambo did his own fighting and and didnt delegate it to others manly-man that he was... not that I'd ever seen, or would ever watch, a Rambo movie... "assassins of allah" was as conceptualized as "urban guerrilla" ; Calvert in character, play-acting...he didnt make 'bombs in his cellar', didnt wish 'death to all infidels in oil', etc etc "<>" "you're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I, so am I " --F Zappa From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 12:25:06 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:25:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:20:30 -0000, Beautiful Foot wrote: >I can wholeheartedly recommend Tortoise. I've never heard Mogwai, and I'm a >fan of GYBE! so I would disagree with any comparison there apart from both >bands being instrumental and experimental. >Typically for me, my favourites would be Tortoise and Millions Living Will >Never Die (their 1st and 2nd LPs). >Very mellow, but quite intense. It's very very good headphone music. > >Chris. I'd go along with that. Tortoise have quite a strong experimental jazz influence, and the sound is bass-driven, quite laid-back and reflective, but full of subtlety and musical tricks. "Millions Now Living..." would be my pick of their albums. I was a bit disappointed by "TNT" which seemed to overdo the artsy cleverness and came over as a bit dry, though it has its moments too. Haven't heard their latest one. I can't see much similarity with GYBE except that both bands play rather left-field instrumental music and aren't afraid to take musical risks. But they don't really sound like each other. Never heard Mogwai, although I keep seing them mentioned in these kinds of discussions, so maybe I should. NM From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 12:47:18 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:47:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:59:36 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >"assassins of allah" was as conceptualized as "urban guerrilla" ; Calvert in >character, play-acting...he didnt make 'bombs in his cellar', didnt wish >'death to all infidels in oil', etc >etc Exactly, and that was one of Calvert's special gifts- creating these fantastical roles and inhabiting them in song. Those songs are clever and edgy and I love them. But they are in the end escapist fantasies with only a tangential relationship to reality. They hardly qualify as serious political commentary. In the current climate I guess one can feel perfectly untroubled by "Assassins of Allah" if one keeps that in mind. But I can't really accept that such a whimsical song has anything useful to say about current events, however eerie the sudden topicality. BTW, nice to see you back <> NM From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 5 12:05:54 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:05:54 EDT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5 Nov 2001, at 11:59, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 11/5/01 10:24:39 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU > writes: > > << > Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha to the extent > > that Mohammed Atta is described as having tied a red sash around his > > head during the capture of the plane. That was the trademark of one of > > the Hashishin on an assasination run. > > > > > > Or, maybe he thought he was Rambo? > > theo > >> > > > Mastuh Theo, > > at least Rambo did his own fighting and and didnt delegate it to > others manly-man that he was... not that I'd ever seen, or would ever > watch, a Rambo movie... > I was only making a reference to Rambo's tyring a red cloth around his head when he prepared to do battle. Any other interpretation is left to the individual! Good to have ya back, <>! theo From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 14:17:54 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:17:54 -0600 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111051747.MAA18289@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: in a message, Nick: >>>BTW, nice to see you back <> seconded. in a previous message "<>": >>>you're probably wondering why I'm here >>>and so am I, so am I " >>>--F Zappa Simon King. in a message before that Robert S.: >>>Make love, make love >>>In the city of dreams >>>Make love, make love >>> I'll take you to the extreme >>> .....I mean, what's that all about?? I think I know....you don't want to, and I can never tell......hehe...... m From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 5 13:32:51 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:32:51 -0000 Subject: AW: HW - tape info Message-ID: thanks - good to know - but does anyone know who this guy on keyboards is/was??? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pospiech, Bernhard" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: AW: HW - tape info > Hi > > > >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as > >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny > >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob > >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something > >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? > > As far as I know the correct name was SNORKWIND > I do not know how often this lineup played. The only known tape is > the Oxford 86 one. Dave was not on board. It wasn't a good gig, though they > played "Hurry On Sundown" and "All Along The Watchtower" > > Bernhard > > Disclaimer > 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it > by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; > access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone > else is prohibited. > > 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, > please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is > confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the > information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does > not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 5 13:44:19 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:44:19 -0000 Subject: Motorhead DVD Message-ID: Hi, Official info - for UK people, CD Services can supply it for release date if anyone interested and initial few will be at an offer price too - e.mail or whatever. Andy G. --------------------------- MOTORHEAD SHAKEN UP Motorhead will release a DVD called 'Boneshaker' on November 19. It was filmed at the band's 25th anniversary show at London's Brixton Academy last year, and features guest appearances from the likes of 'Fast' Eddie Clarke, Whitfield Crane, Doro Pesch and ex-Skunk Anansie guitarist Ace. 'Boneshaker' will also contain an audio CD of the show From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 13:39:38 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:39:38 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford > I don't think there's any argument that the song is eerily relevant to > current events. The real question is whether or not one feels comfortable > partying on down to it at HW gigs. Is it a worthwhile comment on what's > going on, or does it trivialise matters? That's a personal, subjective > thing, and I have to say I felt rather uncomfortable when the song was > played at the RFH. Perhaps , as I mentioned elsehwere, the dickhead behind > me who kept shouting out "Saddam bin Davey!" had already put me on edge. > > Having said all that, I'm still glad to have the storming new live version > on Yule Ritual, as up to now there hasn't been a really good live version > released IMHO. Yeah, I think this is about right, Nick. The audience at Swindon showed some signs of being a bit uncomfortable when the song was introduced, unless I'm very mistaken. It was played really well (as I noted last night) but no matter how relevant it is or isn't I just feel a bit of a rest would be in order at the moment. But, of course, it's just a *personal* view. Ian From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Nov 5 13:59:47 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:59:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <008501c1662a$d24ff6c0$ee9a193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > >Yeah, I think this is about right, Nick. The audience at Swindon showed some >signs of being a bit uncomfortable when the song was introduced, unless I'm >very mistaken. I would be more uncomfortable with the missing mr Blake...any news why he didn't appear? Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Nov 5 14:02:24 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:02:24 +0100 Subject: AW: HW - tape info In-Reply-To: <014801c16629$1ff92b00$6598bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Hi At 18:32 05.11.2001 +0000, you wrote: >thanks - good to know - but does anyone know who this guy on >keyboards is/was??? No, sorry Bernhard >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pospiech, Bernhard" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:51 AM >Subject: AW: HW - tape info > > >> Hi >> >> >> >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as >> >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan >Davey/Danny >> >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob >> >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something >> >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? >> >> As far as I know the correct name was SNORKWIND >> I do not know how often this lineup played. The only known tape is >> the Oxford 86 one. Dave was not on board. It wasn't a good gig, though >they >> played "Hurry On Sundown" and "All Along The Watchtower" >> >> Bernhard >> >> Disclaimer >> 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it >> by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your >system; >> access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by >anyone >> else is prohibited. >> >> 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, >> please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is >> confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that >the >> information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and >does >> not accept any liability for damages related thereto. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 5 14:55:32 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: Beautiful Foot wrote: >I can wholeheartedly recommend Tortoise. I've never heard Mogwai, and I'm >>a fan of GYBE! so I would disagree with any comparison there apart from both >>bands being instrumental and experimental. Yeah, really. I'm not exactly sure why gybe! are so often given as a typical example of 'post-rock.' What they do is so totally different from everyone else that I hardly think they are even part of the same thing sometimes. Maybe some of their spinoffs (like Fly Pan Am) are more akin to Tortoise and the lot, but it seems only Sigur Ros is really in the same melancholic boat as gybe! >I'd go along with that. Tortoise have quite a strong experimental jazz >influence, and the sound is bass-driven, quite laid-back and reflective, >but full of subtlety and musical tricks. "Millions Now Living..." would be >my pick of their albums. I was a bit disappointed by "TNT" which seemed to >overdo the artsy cleverness and came over as a bit dry, though it has its >moments too. I'll have to check this one (MNL...) out. I agree that TNT is ok, but nothing that special. >Haven't heard their latest one. I can't see much similarity >with GYBE except that both bands play rather left-field instrumental music >and aren't afraid to take musical risks. But they don't really sound like >each other. > >Never heard Mogwai, although I keep seing them mentioned in these kinds of >discussions, so maybe I should. Ditto. I've started looking for "Rock Action" and/or "Young Team" (?), which I've seen listed as good places to start. Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) about the post-rock joint articles/audio shows I've been doing on www.aural-innovations.com? I'm working on Part Three right now (which will include a track each from gybe! and Sigur Ros, amongst others in the 'droney-post-rock' camp) which should appear in January. I don't know if I'm clarifying what's going on in that camp, or making it more confusing....I'm still trying to find out for myself actually. BTW, I never really talked about gybe!'s show in Columbus (Ohio State campus). It was sold out (I hardly ever go to a sold-out show these days!), so it hardly seems like they need 'pub.', so I didn't bother. They did the two tracks from "Slow Riot..." which were both brilliant and powerful, esp. when they get into that semi-featureless sonic-carpet-bombing mode. But then the stuff from the other albums (like the new one, "Lift Yr. Skinny Fists...") just isn't the same - eerie and melancholy, but never the same sorts of climaxes. I'd like them to release a live album, so that I could hear the track "BBF3" without the silly voiceover bit, as they don't use that on-stage. So I guess I'm of the opinion that gybe! is both vasty overrated and vastly underrated at the same time. I mean, inventive and original bands like this should play to more than 400 people, but that'll never happen, and these 400 people should also be going to see bands that I think are even more inventive and original. Instead of 50. Grakkl (FAA) From coral at APORT.RU Mon Nov 5 15:32:20 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:32:20 +0300 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: > Yeah, I think this is about right, Nick. The audience at Swindon showed some > signs of being a bit uncomfortable when the song was introduced, unless I'm > very mistaken. It was played really well (as I noted last night) but no > matter how relevant it is or isn't I just feel a bit of a rest would be in > order at the moment. But, of course, it's just a *personal* view. Oh... how I hate all this stupid political correctness! From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 5 15:51:58 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:51:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: relevance & irrelevance (was HW: Swindon) Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:19:26 -0000, Ian Abrahams wrote: >Dave's comment was that Bob Calvert had written the song over 20 years ago >about dollars & oil and it's still going on today (that's the jist of it). >Actually, that doesn't make it relevant, does it? No more or less relevant than it has been for the last 30 years (i.e. since before it was written!). Especially since there is a living successor to Hassan i Sahba, and he DOESN'T live in Afghanistan. Heck, it'll probably be just as relevant 20 years after Hawkwind are gone, unless the oil runs out ... Now, for a song that IS truly relevant, I saw Sonic Boom (ex-Spacemen 3) and Spectrum last night, doing the psychedelic song thing (as opposed to the avant-garde electronics thing he does as E.A.R.), and they closed their set, as usual, with "Revolution" (the song that I thought was a cover of "You Shouldn't Do That" when I first heard it on the radio ... until the vocals came in ... turns out it's an MC5 lift, not a Hawkwind one), which led into a cover of ... "War Sucks" by Red Crayola (extra-appropriate since he opened the set with "Transparent Radiation"). Of course, I suppose that one isn't necessarily any more or less true now than it has ever been ... just a bit closer to home. On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:17:30 -0600, mike c wrote: > < before getting noticed by the Ushers & Usherettes, hense many > people kept bobbing up and down all night under their seat.. > well funny>> Iain. > >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA > >it's really bad in the states now- everybody's chicken-(the masses) >we're not in Kansas anymore (the 70's).....what happened? are people >too stingy? or is it politically "incorrect" to make yuppies inhale >smoke that makes them sneeze, develop itchy hives, want munchies, >feel sleepy, possibly giggle out loud, etc??? You should've been at the aforementioned Sonic Boom/Spectrum show last night! No chickens in that audience! (But this is San Francisco, politically out-of-touch with the rest of the USA.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 16:01:12 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:01:12 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW:Leeds Message-ID: Oh no, too many email accounts and not enough brain cells. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: HW:Leeds Let me be the first to post a review. Oh no, its not till tomorrow night. Seriously though, I'm driving over from Liverpool coz I can't make it any other way and I haven't got a clue where the venue is. I can get from Liverpool to Leeds via M62 and know my way in to the city centre via the M621 but apart from a couple of downloaded internet maps I haven't got a clue from there. Anybody offer me any clues? I ain't even got a ticket yet but the venue told me today that they will have tickets on the door on the night. That saves a fight with a couple of touts. Any help with directions would be much appreciated. Anybody want a lift on the way - give me a shout - and yes it is my own car. Mark From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 5 16:06:10 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:06:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: <002101c14f1e$bdcfa600$6005efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Alice wrote: > > Yeah, gotta love that dog. > > I think there's a section later in between songs where one of the band > says > > something about a "dog has swallowed some broken glass", and I get so > happy > > that finally that stupid dog will quit barking now that he's got glass in > > his throat. > > So has anybody else heard that? Or was I dreaming again while I listened > to > > some Hawkwind? No, that's there all right, though I think it's an organiser rather than the band--voice doesn't sound right. > Yea, right! > > They never claimed that it is high quality recording and they played very > well on this one. It is a good performance. You can just about tell. It most surely wouldn't be released by any label with a less lackadasical attitude than Voiceprint. It's one of those collectors' issue that means `only a collector would want it'. Your attitude suggests that the buyer should beware but I think most people would be rather happier to see some kind of warning of just how poor the quality is. Most bands that release bootlegs of themselves do so in such a way as to indicate it; Zappa, Pearl Jam and Man all spring to mind. > Nik and Co were completely out of tune on their live recording. I haven't got it and don't know if I shall. But I don't think Nik's fault exempts the HWVPCDs from being lousy. Nik's not a byword for quality himself. Sadly, these days, neither can Hawkwind be. On which subject, indeed, on Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Alice wrote: > It's very sad for me to see this list falling apart on this question... That's not an argument, that's just a friendly disagreement. You should see us in a flame-war. > The real true band, Hawkwind leading by Brock, should be giving full > support. And Nik and Co should be put to shame publicly by all who claim > themselves "honest people". I take it you mean `given' there but even so I don't agree. The real band are guilty of some fairly low dealings themselves. I see no need to take a side as I will still go to their gigs and expect Nikwind to be a shaky affair. But there are two sides to this, and in some lights Nik can be seen to be holding the moral advantage. As Steve Pond said, at this Hawkestra everyone got paid, which is more than can be said for the previous one. I don't have to buy the "Nik is the spirit of Hawkwind" argument to see that he's better at playing towards it than Dave Brock ever has been. There are in this sense two spirits of Hawkwind, even if there can only be one band. > Maybe I should sign off this list... Not for me to say. You seem still to be here. On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Alice wrote: > > the endless releases by Dave Anderson's crew have done a lot more damage > > to Hawkwind's reputation. I'd rather see that stopped now that the > > lawyers have been asked to Choose Their Wigs. > > It would be good to make Anderson pay Hawkwind all money he robbed off them. Here is an example of the two sides. Anderson owns those recordings and can do what he likes with them, as they're live and thus not subject to performers' copyright. He has thus not stolen any money from HW as they're not entitled to make any from those tapes anyway. Maybe they should be, but legally they aren't. What he arguably has done is damaged the reputation of Hawkwind by releasing subquality crap. And unfortuantely things like _Glastonbury 1990_ rather prevent the band showing any damage thus done. But hey! _Yuri Gagarin_ was a good gig, right? At least they were in tune! That makes it OK! I was however surprised to see him in the same building as any of ICU and still in apparently good health. Yours, Jon n/p Apocalyptica, `Harvester of Sorrows' (someone called Anna is to blame for this) -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 5 16:08:34 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:08:34 +0000 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011007211950.009f5ec0@pop.madasafish.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Chris Warburton wrote: > Alice wrote: > >I wonder if this album was released or not? And if yes, is it available > >elsewhere? > > I have the "Final Call EP", got it from the Nottingham show on the last > tour, from the official merch stall.but it IS a CD-R with colour laser or > photocopied inserts. It has a serial no. of ELF002 > Tracks: > Shahadah (5:30) > Salah (5:35) > Zakah (3:38) > Sawm (5:40) > Hajj (4:00) > > Engineered, mixed & Produced by Alan Davey who plays all instruments > All titles copyright Alan Davey 1999 That'll be the same sort of preview CD-R he did of _Chaos Delight_ I suppose. How he can do those at a tenner each and object to having MP3s on his site I'm not sure. But anyway. Speaking of which, what's holding up _As Above So Below_ *now*? Anyone know, in the absence of Mr Gilham? Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 5 16:36:53 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Beautiful Foot) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:36:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: > I'll have to check this one (MNL...) out. I agree that TNT is ok, but > nothing that special. Yeah, if I hadn't thought so highly of the first two releases, I would never have bought the second two. To me they sound a little like this: If the first two albums are like AC/DC's Highway to Hell then the 2nd two albums are like the Carpenters covering AC/DC's Highway to Hell. A little to clever, a little too well-produced, maybe just a little too nice. > I mean, inventive and original > bands like this should play to more than 400 people, but that'll never > happen, and these 400 people should also be going to see bands that I think > are even more inventive and original. Instead of 50. Well, then make with the suggestions of recordings to find (live underground music doesn't really happen here in Belfast). From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 5 16:45:28 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:45:28 EST Subject: OFF: UFO - Give Her The Gun + rarities Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2001 7:50:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > why is Schenker > included on the "Decca Years" CD, or more properly- did they do re-takes > of Bolton era songs and if I buy that CD will I be getting more than that > one Schenker track because that single was released on decca! and yes, there is more than one schenker track; i beleive the b-side to that single (swwet little thing) is on the cd too. bobm From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 16:58:26 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:58:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:06:10 +0000, you sent through the ether: > I was however surprised to see him in the same building as any of >ICU and still in apparently good health. One word: "Smarm" -S. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 17:52:14 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:52:14 -0000 Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? Message-ID: What's the Walthamstow date again - I WILL be there, but brain's failed me. And I'll be going home after. Cheers, R. > Hi folks, > > Where are folks staying for Walthamstow? > > I've been looking around, and I can't really find anything directly > by Walthamstow, so I'm being tempted to go for something elsewhere in > london, but if anyone knew of a good place close by, could you please let > me know? > > Thanks, > > Arin From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 5 18:04:59 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/On Parole Message-ID: >>As a Motorhead fan, I've always reckoned that On Parole is possibly the >>best album of all. >It's my favorite, but that's probably largely 'cause I'm a huge Wallis/Pink >Fairies fan. For me it's always been a tossup between On Parole and Another Perfect Day - and in both cases it's because of the guitarwork. I like Fast Eddie as well, I think he tends to be a bit underrated, every MH release with him on it is a classic - but the 2 albums that bookend the 'golden years' lineup manage to add a little something to the sound that just make them stand out. I got flak for championing APD when it came out, but I stood by it then (and now) - its a shame Brian didn't manage to stay longer with the band. >>Where do I get the remaster? Is it a Virgin/HMV/Our Price >>job? I've got redundancy money to spend (although not very much!) Its available at CDNOW as a 2001 release (and very cheap too!) you can get it for a lot less than I did, when it was only available as an import from EMI Italy a few years back. Stephan From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 16:55:08 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:55:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <000701c16638$f8536060$6346efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: In message <000701c16638$f8536060$6346efc3 at ghostwheel2>, Alice writes >Oh... how I hate all this stupid political correctness! ???? Political correctness is odious because it seeks to impose a particular view of the world. But everyone here is merely musing on their own personal feelings on the matter. No-one has attempted to say that everyone else should agree with them. Quite the opposite in fact. For what it's worth I think the discussion on this has been quite intelligent, but if you find it stupid, well, we can agree to differ... ;) -- Nick Medford From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 5 18:10:07 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:10:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111051553.KAA17482@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The Psychedelic Warlords" version? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:54 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > > Having said all that, I'm still glad to have the storming new live version > on Yule Ritual, as up to now there hasn't been a really good live version > released IMHO. > > NM From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 18:22:05 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:22:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , KevinSommers writes >How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The >Psychedelic Warlords" version? Ya got me there, I never heard that one! Can someone post details on that album? How much of it is otherwise unreleased? -- Nick Medford From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 5 18:39:10 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:39:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe his Apple computer crashed.... Tim, if you know someone with a real computer who can relay this to you, do yourself a favor - get a Pentium system, and put that bad Apple back in the cart. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kenneth Magnusson > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:00 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > > > > > >Yeah, I think this is about right, Nick. The audience at Swindon > showed some > >signs of being a bit uncomfortable when the song was introduced, > unless I'm > >very mistaken. > > I would be more uncomfortable with the missing mr Blake...any news > why he didn't appear? > > Kenneth > > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM Mon Nov 5 19:02:16 2001 From: ClyvedonPress at TALK21.COM (Chris Purdon) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:02:16 -0000 Subject: Kings of Speed Message-ID: Yep ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jobson, Eddie" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Kings of Speed > Does anyone have a good CD-r or tape recording to trade from a live date > between 1/12/89-18/12/89, featuring a good version of Kings of Speed? > > Hopefully Dave does the vocals? > > Cheers, > > Eddie.Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and > confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message > is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from > your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Nov 5 19:26:42 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:26:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Medford writes >In message >, KevinSommers writes >>How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The >>Psychedelic Warlords" version? IMO that's a fairly weak version. My favourites are Reading 86 and the 1977 live one on Weird 5. >Ya got me there, I never heard that one! > >Can someone post details on that album? How much of it is otherwise >unreleased? >-- >Nick Medford IIRC it was an Italian release, The Neverending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords was a book that came with a (30 minute) CD 'Live in Space 1990'. Recorded 5th Nov 1990 in Leicester. Tracklist - TV Suicide, Back In The Box, Hassan I Sahba, Images, Hi-tech Cities Lineup - Brock, Bainbridge, Chadwick, Davey, Wishart -- David Blair From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 5 19:45:01 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:45:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Kings of Speed Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:04:47 -0500, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Does anyone have a good CD-r or tape recording to trade from a live date >between 1/12/89-18/12/89, featuring a good version of Kings of Speed? You *do* realize that the "version" of "Kings of Speed" performed at these shows consists of the verse being sung once in the middle of "Death Trap"? NOT a full performance of the song! >Hopefully Dave does the vocals? All 20 seconds worth of them, yes. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 5 19:51:06 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:51:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:26:42 +0000, David Blair wrote: >In article , Nick Medford > writes >>In message >>, KevinSommers writes >>>How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The >>>Psychedelic Warlords" version? > >IMO that's a fairly weak version. There's also a near-identical version of "Hassah i Sahba" on 'California Brainstorm' (basically the same set as 'Live in Space 1990', but slightly different tracklist). Of COURSE you'd expect me to point that out ... >My favourites are Reading 86 and the 1977 live one on Weird 5. Even better than the '77 version on Weird 5 is the '78 version on the 'Live at the Bottom Line' LP (IMO). It had replaced "Reefer Madness" as the set opener by then, and it starts with a great spacy synth/violin intro before breaking into a blistering version of the song. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 20:01:28 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:01:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: relevance & irrelevance (was HW: Swindon) In-Reply-To: <200111052051.PAA19531@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111052051.PAA19531 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes > I saw Sonic Boom (ex-Spacemen 3) >and Spectrum last night, doing the psychedelic song thing (as opposed to >the avant-garde electronics thing he does as E.A.R.), and they closed their >set, as usual, with "Revolution" (the song that I thought was a cover >of "You Shouldn't Do That" when I first heard it on the radio ... until the >vocals came in ... turns out it's an MC5 lift, not a Hawkwind one Right... it's one of the most shameless lifts in rock history in fact! It basically *is* MC5's "Black To Comm", but for the monologue. I have always wondered what "Black To Comm" actually means (if anything). Spacemen 3's version of MC5's "Starship" may just be the best cover version ever. >), which >led into a cover of ... "War Sucks" by Red Crayola Isn't there a Pere Ubu connection there? Can't remember the details. > (extra-appropriate since >he opened the set with "Transparent Radiation" I love that song. The album "The Perfect Prescription" was the soundtrack to my life when it first came out. I still can't hear anyone utter the words "nineteen eighty-seven" without wanting to break into "Come Down Easy". Spacemen 3 were great, if you ignore their weak final album "Recurring", which wasn't really a band effort anyway. The only E.A.R. I've heard was a seven minute electronic bliss-out called "Hydroponic"- nice enough but nothing new. What say you about E.A.R. in general then? Talking of ex-Spacemen, I have somehow managed to not hear anything by Spiritualized, despite them having become really rather famous. Anyone got any comments on them? -- Nick Medford From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 21:21:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:21:07 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO - Give Her The Gun + rarities In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "just because" ver 2.o http://www.mgab.dircon.co.uk/bolton96.htm Incidentally in my journeys of re-re-re-discovery of the early UFO comps and first LP, so far they all differ in the mixing, they all lift the roof (quite) a bit, I'm glad it wasn't Bolton who smelled like fish, and I can't wait to get the "Decca Years" cd, as 2 Schenker tracks can be thouroughly enjoyed so long as I'm getting a Bolton fest. oh and "Galactic Love" roxxx...(acne forming as I type) m From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 20:14:31 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:14:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111060051.TAA21242@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111060051.TAA21242 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >>>>How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The >>>>Psychedelic Warlords" version? >> >>IMO that's a fairly weak version. > >There's also a near-identical version of "Hassah i Sahba" on 'California >Brainstorm' (basically the same set as 'Live in Space 1990', but slightly >different tracklist). Of COURSE you'd expect me to point that out ... > >>My favourites are Reading 86 and the 1977 live one on Weird 5. > >Even better than the '77 version on Weird 5 is the '78 version on the 'Live >at the Bottom Line' LP (IMO). It had replaced "Reefer Madness" as the set >opener by then, and it starts with a great spacy synth/violin intro before >breaking into a blistering version of the song. Hmm.. there are clearly a lot more versions than I realised, I should have been more circumspect in my wording! However of the ones mentioned that I *have* heard, the 80s versions don't quite do it for me because- well, no Simon House. And the one on Weird 5- I dunno, it might be great, but that's a fairly poor recording, you can actually hear the tape flutter during the violin intro, and it always puts me off. I rather like the way they've incorporated "Palestine" into the middle section, and I particularly like Jez Huggett's contribution, so I'm sticking with my original nomination of the Yule Ritual version.. for now.. -- Nick Medford From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Nov 5 20:17:34 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:17:34 -0600 Subject: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? In-Reply-To: <004801c1664c$84a72a20$29ee7bd5@bpnf001> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Richard Lockwood wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: accomodation for walthamstow? : :What's the Walthamstow date again - I WILL be there, but brain's failed me. : :And I'll be going home after. : :Cheers, : :R. Walthamstow is 24 November. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 5 20:17:14 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:17:14 -0700 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CD "EP" which came with the Italian book of the same name, with text by Brian Tawn and translated into Italian by Gigi Marinoni, part of the Sconcerto Series from Stampa Alternativa/Nuovi Equilibri. The companion CD contained fantastic versions of TV Suicide, Back In The Box, Paranoia, Assassins of Allah, Images (the same version later used on the Griffin reissue of palace Springs), and Hi Tech Cities (Dave Brock demo, different version than available elsewhere). The first four songs were unreleased elsewhere. The disc ID is SCONC.019. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:22 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > > > In message >, KevinSommers writes > >How about the from the "Live In Space 1990: The Never Ending Story Of The > >Psychedelic Warlords" version? > > Ya got me there, I never heard that one! > > Can someone post details on that album? How much of it is otherwise > unreleased? > -- > Nick Medford From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 21:41:46 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:41:46 -0600 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recall thinking "Now this is freaked, I just got one here"....and what with "High Tech Cities"...... >CD "EP" which came with the Italian book of the same name, with text by >Brian Tawn and translated into Italian by Gigi Marinoni, part of the >Sconcerto Series from Stampa Alternativa/Nuovi Equilibri. The companion CD >contained fantastic versions of TV Suicide, Back In The Box, Paranoia, >Assassins of Allah, Images (the same version later used on the Griffin >reissue of palace Springs), and Hi Tech Cities (Dave Brock demo, different >version than available elsewhere). The first four songs were unreleased >elsewhere. The disc ID is SCONC.019. >KevinSommers >Cogito ergo sum, I think... From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 5 21:51:34 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:51:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DP >>Even better than the '77 version on Weird 5 is the '78 version on the 'Live >>at the Bottom Line' LP (IMO). It had replaced "Reefer Madness" as the set >>opener by then, and it starts with a great spacy synth/violin intro before >>breaking into a blistering version of the song. agreed. seconded. Can't beat the squeak. It squeaks. In fact the squeak of that album I find addicting in a unique fashion- the squeak is so squeaky cool, it outsqueaks the poor quality......(JMHO) m the song would make me uncomfortable at this time......so I guess they should keep it in...... Yule Ritual amazed, blew, razed, scorched, freshened, uplifted- highly recommended- strong CD- only played once so can't disect- not talented enough. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 5 20:50:08 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:50:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: relevance & irrelevance (was HW: Swindon) Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:01:28 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <200111052051.PAA19531 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson > writes >> I saw Sonic Boom (ex-Spacemen 3) >>and Spectrum last night, doing the psychedelic song thing (as opposed to >>the avant-garde electronics thing he does as E.A.R.), and they closed >>their set, as usual, with "Revolution" (the song that I thought was a >>cover of "You Shouldn't Do That" when I first heard it on the radio ... >>until the vocals came in ... turns out it's an MC5 lift, not a Hawkwind >>one > >Right... it's one of the most shameless lifts in rock history in fact! It >basically *is* MC5's "Black To Comm", but for the monologue. Yep. As they have freely admitted ... >I have always wondered what "Black To Comm" actually means (if >anything). Short for "Black To Common" i.e. in amplifier wiring, the black wire is attached to the "common", or ground, connection. And the red wire is attached to the "hot" connection. >Spacemen 3's version of MC5's "Starship" may just be the best cover version >ever. Heh heh ... cover of a cover (the MC5's version bears no real resemblance to Sun Ra's original). Am I the only person who thinks that "Space Truckin'" (Deep Purple) sounds an awful lot like this song (more the MC5 version than S3's)? >> ... led into a cover of ... "War Sucks" by Red Crayola > >Isn't there a Pere Ubu connection there? Can't remember the details. Mayo Thompson (mr. Crayola) was briefly a member of Pere Ubu right before they broke up (for the first time), c.1982 or so. I believe that he & Dave Thomas (mr. Ubu) may have played on each others solo albums, too, but don't quote me on that. >>(extra-appropriate since >>he opened the set with "Transparent Radiation") > >I love that song. The album "The Perfect Prescription" was the soundtrack >to my life when it first came out. I still can't hear anyone utter the >words "nineteen eighty-seven" without wanting to break into "Come Down >Easy". They're definitely one of the bands that made me say (see previous thread) that the late 80's were much better than the early 80's! >Spacemen 3 were great, if you ignore their weak final album "Recurring", >which wasn't really a band effort anyway. It's their only album (of those released during their career - not counting the tons of posthumous stuff) that I don't own; the best song on it was the Mudhoney cover (which was played last night). >The only E.A.R. I've heard was a seven minute electronic bliss-out called >"Hydroponic"- nice enough but nothing new. What say you about E.A.R. in >general then? That's a pretty good description of what I've heard from them. There are some very cool guests on some of the E.A.R. recordings, but I have a bit of a problem with that kind of electronic music. Not that I think it's *bad* (I enjoy it immensely, actually). It's just that I can go to my own studio, turn on all the synths, and do the same thing myself. So I can't really justify spending $$ on CD's or to stand in some club for that unless it's REALLY good. (And here's where Capt. Black would mention that Sonic Boom seriously knows his EMS synth stuff. Lots of EMS & Serge gear on the E.A.R. releases.) >Talking of ex-Spacemen, I have somehow managed to not hear anything by >Spiritualized, despite them having become really rather famous. Anyone got >any comments on them? Someone else, please. I've only listened to them a little bit (but I may see them when they come through town in a couple weeks ... playing a venue CONSIDERABLY larger than the one Spectrum played last night). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Nov 5 20:51:05 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:51:05 -0600 Subject: HW: off now Message-ID: Hi folks. well...I'm off to the UK tomorrow midday. Everyone come wave hi at whatever gigs you might be at. See you all soon. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 5 20:57:11 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:57:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:14:31 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <200111060051.TAA21242 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson > writes >>Even better than the '77 version on Weird 5 is the '78 version on >>the 'Live at the Bottom Line' LP (IMO)... > >Hmm.. there are clearly a lot more versions than I realised, I should >have been more circumspect in my wording! However of the ones mentioned >that I *have* heard, the 80s versions don't quite do it for me because- >well, no Simon House. That makes a very big difference! (To me, anyway.) >And the one on Weird 5- I dunno, it might be great, >but that's a fairly poor recording, you can actually hear the tape flutter >during the violin intro, and it always puts me off. It would be a disservice if I didn't mention that the sound quality of the 'Bottom Line' LP is even worse than Weird 5, so avoid it at all costs if you're one of the people complaining about 'Glastonbury 90' etc. I think I've made it clear in prior posts that a great performance trumps a poor recording every time >>for me<<, so take all future recommendations of live recordings from me with that very important caveat! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 5 20:57:36 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:57:36 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead/On Parole Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/2001 5:58:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: > I got > flak for championing APD when it came out, but I stood by it then (and now) > - its a shame Brian didn't manage to stay longer with the band. > wow......my 'crowd' loved it; still do... looks like an odd match on paper, but......er, ok it's an odd match on record as well; but even Lem says, it's their most 'musical' album... was that a slag or a boast? bobm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 5 20:59:28 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:59:28 EST Subject: OFF: UFO - Give Her The Gun + rarities Message-ID: this is the magic of this list: atomic rooster/ufo/tank/damned/girlschool/etc etc etc...never a dull moment well, ok..... a few here and there bobm From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 5 21:29:35 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 02:29:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , KevinSommers writes >CD "EP" which came with the Italian book of the same name, with text by >Brian Tawn and translated into Italian by Gigi Marinoni, part of the >Sconcerto Series from Stampa Alternativa/Nuovi Equilibri. The companion CD >contained fantastic versions of TV Suicide, Back In The Box, Paranoia, >Assassins of Allah, Images (the same version later used on the Griffin >reissue of palace Springs), and Hi Tech Cities (Dave Brock demo, different >version than available elsewhere). The first four songs were unreleased >elsewhere. The disc ID is SCONC.019. Thanks for that Kevin, and to David as well. At times I wonder whether the number of Hawkwind releases is, in fact, infinite. -- Nick Medford From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 00:45:36 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:45:36 EST Subject: OFF: UFO all hail mick bolton Message-ID: Before UFO: factory worker After UFO: UFO tech '82, MSG tech '84 oh, how the mighty have fallen.....bones thrown etc bobm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 6 01:04:14 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:04:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: relevance & irrelevance (was HW: Swindon) Message-ID: Nick M. asks... >Talking of ex-Spacemen, I have somehow managed to not hear anything by >Spiritualized, despite them having become really rather famous. Anyone got >any comments on them? Hmmmm....and I *just* saw them performing on Jay Leno within the hour, which gives you an idea of just how famous they've become. Last year, one of their tunes was used for a car commercial here in the states also. Well, I've only *just* gotten the new album ("Let it come down") and "listened" to it just once (without paying much attention), so I won't comment on it just yet. I need to sit down one of these days and compare it to Lupine Howl's debut album (basically the entire rest of Spiritualized that Pierce fired, from what I understand)*, which I also just got. Nice artwork on that one. :) But the Ladies & Gents, We are Floating in Space album is quite fun IMHO. Most of it is real laid back and soothing, but the occasional outburst like "Electricity" really snaps you back awake again. Great tune. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The Leno live performance was a little um....overblown. Maybe the whole tour is like that I dunno. Let's see, we need to fill up this stage with a whole bunch of extraneous horn players, chorus singers, extra percussionists, etc. because we're such a hugely important band we have to look like one. No matter whether it makes the music any better or not, it's all just perception after all. Next stop - costume changes every third song! :) P.P.S. "Let it Come Down" was coproduced by a J. Coxon, and an E. Coxon assisted in orchestration. Any relation to G. Coxon, ex-Hawkestra (without even performing once)? *Dark Star is to Levitation, as Lupine Howl is to Spiritualized. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 6 01:11:28 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:11:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Nick ponders... >At times I wonder whether the number of Hawkwind releases is, in fact, >infinite. The real question is whether there are already enough Hawkwind releases in the universe to cause an eventual gravitational contraction back into one single Hawkwind album (the 'Big Crunch Hypothesis'), or whether they will continually expand forever and ever into the darkest depths of the outer universe (the 'Dave Anderson Hypothesis'). Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 6 02:48:11 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:48:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: Well, if the first two Tortoise albums are ' the storm that is AC/DC' then the Mogwai albums 'Come On Die Young' and 'Young Team' are the massive hurricane that make the storm look like a mild wind. In short, they will blow you away....very much an Andy G and CDS favourite - oh, those guitars!!!. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beautiful Foot" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? > > I'll have to check this one (MNL...) out. I agree that TNT is ok, but > > nothing that special. > > Yeah, if I hadn't thought so highly of the first two releases, I would never > have bought the second two. > To me they sound a little like this: > If the first two albums are like AC/DC's Highway to Hell then the 2nd two > albums are like the Carpenters covering AC/DC's Highway to Hell. A little > to clever, a little too well-produced, maybe just a little too nice. > > > I mean, inventive and original > > bands like this should play to more than 400 people, but that'll never > > happen, and these 400 people should also be going to see bands that I > think > > are even more inventive and original. Instead of 50. > > Well, then make with the suggestions of recordings to find (live underground > music doesn't really happen here in Belfast). From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 6 03:08:11 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:08:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? Message-ID: Hey Keith - not seen your articles on this subject on AI - am really behind in my reading there, so will get that rectified today.. But, in this area of things right now, there are a truckload of great indie bands doing post-rock or shoegazing or whatever, and I have about twenty or thirty of them to be reviewed for CD Services, so I will check out your article and see what you have caught so far. Andy G (clearly with catching up to do - sorry Jerry!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Mogwai and Tortoise? > Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) about the post-rock joint > articles/audio shows I've been doing on www.aural-innovations.com? I'm > working on Part Three right now (which will include a track each from gybe! > and Sigur Ros, amongst others in the 'droney-post-rock' camp) which should > appear in January. I don't know if I'm clarifying what's going on in that > camp, or making it more confusing....I'm still trying to find out for myself > actually. > From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 6 04:08:56 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:08:56 +0000 Subject: Fw: HW:Leeds Message-ID: Hi Mark, The Leeds Irish Centre is on the main A64 York Rd. It is about a mile or so on your right as you head towards York from the city centre. It is on a dual carriageway so yo will need to go up to the next roundabout and turn about. Details are on http://www.liveinleeds.com/irish.htm Perhaps will see you there, I'll be the one in the 'Urban Camo' getup! Cheers, Mark C. >From: mark von bargen >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Fw: HW:Leeds >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:01:12 -0000 > >Oh no, too many email accounts and not enough brain cells. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Von Bargen >To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:57 PM >Subject: HW:Leeds > > >Let me be the first to post a review. Oh no, its not till tomorrow night. >Seriously though, I'm driving over from Liverpool coz I can't make it any >other way and I haven't got a clue where the venue is. >I can get from Liverpool to Leeds via M62 and know my way in to the city >centre via the M621 but apart from a couple of downloaded internet maps I >haven't got a clue from there. Anybody offer me any clues? >I ain't even got a ticket yet but the venue told me today that they will >have tickets on the door on the night. That saves a fight with a couple of >touts. >Any help with directions would be much appreciated. Anybody want a lift on >the way - give me a shout - and yes it is my own car. > >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 06:49:44 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:49:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Dear boclers, here is my attempt at a review of Saturday, in response to an enquiry from a chum. > I was perusing the Gong Web site on Saturday to see if there was any > info about the gig w. HW in Nottingham on Wednesday. Gosh that > sentence nearly isn't! Anyway, the point is the Gong are support > (good) and that Tim Blake will be playing with HW. Alledgedly. Do you > know what they're like on this tour? Who's in the band now? Well, they were quite good on Saturday in Swindon - Tim was meant to be support and playing with them, but didn't. This meant that Simon House and backing tapes did some stuff, his violin was good, the 2 songs he sang were absolutley dreadful. He had ambient backing and drums for the 1st one, iron dream backing for the 2nd, the third was a long slow doomy gothy thing, then there may have been the middle section of a HW song, then he did two songs where he sang. He wanted lots of effects and reverb, but still we could hear the notes that were being sung, which was a shame. He finished with a techno backing track one, co-written by his son, or influenced by his son who likes that sort of thing. I guess he was asked to appear at short notice, but should not sing in public. HW came on and did well, they had good sound, wonderful lights and appeared to be enjoying themselves. The line up is Huwie (very good) Simon House, on keyboards maybe just due to the non appearance of tim) and violin (which had various loud noises in it towards the end of the show), Ali Davey, Richard Chadwick, Dave. They played (probably not in this order) lighthouse (dave doing vocals, reading them) levitation spiral galaxy moonglum (the most recent song, written 86) angels of death brainbox pollution followed by an instrumental that is old but I cannot remember the name of watcher motorway city hurry on sundown hassan i sahba Encore1: assault & battery / golden void Encore2: ejection So similar to RFH, but without mike M + Tim B's songs, with brainbox added, which was very good. Huwie fitted in very well, not too metal, just right amount of spacey soloing. Simon doing keys was a shock, generally preferred him on violin. Ali was the same as ever, and richard was hidden away behind the drums. No sign of Jez Hugget (saxophonist) or Captain Black, (analogue synths). The sound was good, the band together, and even the lack of Tim didn't seem to throw them out too much. Mike w Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 6 06:54:13 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:54:13 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:11:44 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > >Come on. Osama Bin Laden thinks he's Hassan Ibn Sabha > > But I rather doubt he feeds his followers hashish to keep them on-message. That's an interesting difference. Sabha felt that he needed to give the assassins a taste of paradise before a mission. With Bin-Laden's followers, they seem to accept paradise as a given reward. What's really surprising is that these superstitions are held by otherwise educated people. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 6 06:59:22 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:59:22 GMT Subject: HW: Glastonbury 90 and the Dog Re: HW: .com In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:06:10 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > That's not an argument Oh yes it is.... FoFP From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 07:23:31 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:23:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:54:13 GMT, M Holmes wrote: What's really >surprising is that these superstitions are held by otherwise educated >people. I'm surprised you find that surprising. There is ample evidence that academic education affords only limited protection against the grand follies of humanity, and in some cases may even exacerbate them. Not an argument *against* education of course! NM From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 6 06:34:46 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:34:46 EDT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111061223.HAA24834@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 6 Nov 2001, at 7:23, Nick Medford wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:54:13 GMT, M Holmes > wrote: > > What's really > >surprising is that these superstitions are held by otherwise educated > >people. > > I'm surprised you find that surprising. There is ample evidence that > academic education affords only limited protection against the grand > follies of humanity, and in some cases may even exacerbate them. Not > an argument *against* education of course! > Well, Pat Buchanan went to Harvard... theo From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Nov 6 09:26:12 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:26:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton Message-ID: Don't know where he is now, but in his own words; "It was just something that happened at the time, different directions y'know. It's so long ago now it's difficult to remember. But err...we just didn't get on professionally, particularly with Phil I think it was. I don't think he got on especially well with anyone, he could be something of a fiery chap. So that's basically what happened, and then I went to work for a music store in west London. I remember the management at the time were "Oh we're relaunching the band, could you come back?" and all this and I just said "No, I've had enough of that lot!" and I just didn't want to know. I think I'd just been married and had a child and what have you, so they got the guy in from Pink fairies, Larry?" He quit the music business, started playing in pub bands and to quote the man himself; "Yea, I did guitars for UFO in 1982 and then worked for Michael Schenker in 83 and 84. When a pal of mine Steve Casey was working for Michael he said that they needed a hand. Michael was huge around then, particularly in Europe and Japan." >>> how about this then, - why did they really get rid of Bolton? and why did he disappear off the map? is he around today?? got an e-mail? I wish to kiss up. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 09:51:57 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:51:57 EST Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/2001 6:55:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << With Bin-Laden's followers, they seem to accept paradise as a given reward. >> What I found surprising was the fact that some of the assasins spent their last hours drinking whiskey and buying lap dances...hedging their bets perhaps. Bill From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 10:19:42 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:19:42 EST Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/01 6:55:04 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << What's really surprising is that these superstitions are held by otherwise educated people. >> a/k/a "organized religion", by any other system of population control. unfortunately. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Nov 6 12:07:24 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:07:24 -0600 Subject: (OFF) badly off! eXtreme Warning! rap content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: for anyone lurking (or not) with a little "troll" in 'em- "Cocky"- http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1450505/20011105/kid_rock.jhtml?headlines=true From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Nov 6 12:37:47 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:37:47 -0600 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping around the room-? (like the UFO did) I want the original deal- can work forwards- mike c From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 6 10:41:31 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:41:31 EDT Subject: Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Nov 2001, at 11:37, mike c wrote: > what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping around the room-? > (like the UFO did) > > I want the original deal- can work forwards- > Gotta start with Secret Treaties, then either the first album or Tyranny and Mutation. Those first 3 are far and away their best stuff. After that, I'd say go in order of release... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Nov 6 11:48:38 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Album: Secret Treaties Track: Dominance & Submission "It will be time..." > what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping around the room-? (like > the UFO did) > > I want the original deal- can work forwards- > > mike c From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Nov 6 11:45:54 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:45:54 -0500 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: > what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping > around the room-? (like the UFO did) A live show. Barring that, it depends on your tastes. Secret Treaties and/or Imaginos are my top two; Spectres for a more mainstream sound. I started with Agents of Fortune, and was hooked, not by Reaper, but by The Revenge of Vera Gemini. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Nov 6 11:51:53 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:51:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Maybe his Apple computer crashed.... >Tim, if you know someone with a real computer who can relay this to you, do >yourself a favor - get a Pentium system, and put that bad Apple back in the >cart. Hahaha, You're very funny...Pentium...hahaha... By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 6 12:01:41 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:01:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: But he occasionally opens his mouth. His singing is f*cking awful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Magnusson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > >Maybe his Apple computer crashed.... > >Tim, if you know someone with a real computer who can relay this to you, do > >yourself a favor - get a Pentium system, and put that bad Apple back in the > >cart. > > Hahaha, You're very funny...Pentium...hahaha... > > By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or > band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... > > Kenneth > > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 6 12:42:17 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:42:17 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Kenneth Magnusson's message of Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:51:53 +0100 Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson writes: > By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or > band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... What have you heard that makes you think he's been sacked? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 6 12:01:08 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:01:08 EDT Subject: Blue Oyster Cult In-Reply-To: <20011106164554.JVFY26958.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> Message-ID: On 6 Nov 2001, at 11:45, Jean Lansford wrote: > > what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping > > around the room-? (like the UFO did) > > A live show. > > Barring that, it depends on your tastes. Secret Treaties > and/or Imaginos are my top two; But Imaginos isn't a B?C disc. Still some great music and, of course, lyrics, and definitely worthwhile... theo From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Tue Nov 6 13:17:59 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:17:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: MOTORHEAD GET TRIPLE TEAMED Motorhead will have a special guest on their new album - none other than WWF Superstar Triple H. He's going to do a spoken word piece. Motorhead, of course, recorded the song 'The Game' as the current theme for the wrestling legend. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 13:28:20 2001 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:28:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Tortoise / Mogwai In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:01:27 EST." <200111052301.SAA20407@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I can recommend Mogwai. _Young Team_ is their first and _Come on Die Young_ is their second. Haven't heard _rock action_ yet, but the first two are kind of GYBE like, but more drone-oriented, I guess being based on guitars and not with the adjunct of string instruments. I suppose one could say there's more of a Labradford feel to several of their tracks really. The _Fear Satan_ remixes is interesting too with some overhauls by u-ziq and Aphex Twin IIRC. Their most GYBE like effort is I believe the recent _EP-6_ release which has a version of 'Stanley Kubrick'. I don't have that yet, but I recall hearing Kubrick live on the radio and it came over as heavy as a heavy thing, in the usual GYBE! like intensity. Tim NP: Sarah Mclachlan, _Remixed_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 6 12:31:02 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:31:02 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In In-Reply-To: <200111061817.NAA26913@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 6 Nov 2001, at 13:17, Z E Itgeist wrote: > MOTORHEAD GET TRIPLE TEAMED > > Motorhead will have a special guest on their new album - none other > than WWF Superstar Triple H. He's going to do a spoken word piece. > Motorhead, of course, recorded the song 'The Game' as the current > theme for the wrestling legend. Anyone want to buy a bunch of Motorhead CDs? They're now worthless to me... theo From oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Nov 6 13:41:34 2001 From: oystrgal at BELLSOUTH.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:41:34 -0500 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: > From: Ted Jackson > > > > what's the ULTIMATE BOC that will send me hopping > > > around the room-? (like the UFO did) > > > > A live show. > > > > Barring that, it depends on your tastes. Secret > > Treaties and/or Imaginos are my top two; > > But Imaginos isn't a B?C disc. Pbbbt. Close enough, stylistically, to the band's best to serve as an introduction. > Still some great music and, of > course, lyrics, and definitely worthwhile... You betcha. -- Jean Lansford oystrgal at bellsouth.net From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 14:08:35 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:08:35 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/01 1:32:28 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Anyone want to buy a bunch of Motorhead CDs? They're now worthless to me... theo >> ================= well, =koff= in the deceased absence of Wendy O. Williams...... wtf? "<>" "you're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I, so am I..." FZ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 14:21:36 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:21:36 EST Subject: HW/ BOC-L , Back in the USSR? Message-ID: I'm getting used to the influx of e-mails again, so some of the 'incoming' doesnt hang around too long... But the lady grousing a bit about "political correctness" yesterday (compared to what?) had an e-mail address ending in "RU", as in Russia. Dont recall her name... I mean, I could be "Lmenexe at Mail.RU" if'n I wanted....I still have the bookmark... but does the lady live in Russia? "<>" "you're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I, so am I..." FZ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Nov 6 14:22:59 2001 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:22:59 EST Subject: Blue Oyster Cult Message-ID: In a message dated 11/06/2001 1:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > But Imaginos isn't a B?C disc. Except for the two previous BOC tracks updated on Imaginos...one of which is actually NAMED Blue Oyster Cult, for that matter...and is the only BOC song where their name is sung...and the fact that it's the culmination of the story presented in many of the best BOC songs from their best, early period...and that ALL of the songs were written by BOC members...and that Albert Bouchard was largely responsible for the arrangements...and that Albert sings lead vocals on one song, Eric Bloom on three others, and Donald Roeser on three more...with Roeser also playing some guitar on the album...and that Tommy Zvoncheck, Kenny Aaronson, and Thommy Price also appear as BOC musicians on one other BOC album (the quality of Club Ninja notwithstanding)...and...:-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics 519 Valentine Hill Road Bellefonte, PA 16823 814-355-9830 Musings Online: www.geocities.com/calliopecomics/index.html From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Nov 6 15:01:23 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:01:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <200111061742.RAA14592@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, I'm not certain but that was the impression I got on Tim's homepage, I don't remember his adress but You can get there from http://www.planetgong.co.uk there's something there that goes something like "Hawkwind cancelled all Tim Blake's gigs on their autumn tour", I don't know if I remembered correctly... >Kenneth Magnusson writes: > > > By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or > > band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... > >What have you heard that makes you think he's been sacked? > >FoFP ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Nov 6 15:03:11 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:03:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <09f401c166e4$b4df1520$66b2eec3@development.bloomsbury.com> Message-ID: Well, You should hear the finnish singer M A Numminnen, that's what I call f*cking awful...on the other hand it's so awful it's good... >But he occasionally opens his mouth. His singing is f*cking awful. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kenneth Magnusson" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:51 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > > > > >Maybe his Apple computer crashed.... > > >Tim, if you know someone with a real computer who can relay this to you, >do > > >yourself a favor - get a Pentium system, and put that bad Apple back in >the > > >cart. > > > > Hahaha, You're very funny...Pentium...hahaha... > > > > By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or > > band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... > > > > Kenneth > > > > ------- > > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 15:42:04 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:42:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Kenneth Magnusson writes >Well, I'm not certain but that was the impression I got on Tim's >homepage, I don't remember his adress http://moonweed.free.fr/ It does indeed say that HW have cancelled all his appearances. Wonder what the story is. I don't like Tim Blake's singing, although I can never quite work out why, as he *can* actually hit all the notes, there's just something about the timbre of his voice that makes it sound unconvincing. But his awful cliched lyrics are the biggest turn-off. If he made purely instrumental music, I suspect he would get a lot more of the recognition his synth skills deserve. Good version of Lighthouse on Yule Ritual though. (cue for someone to jump in with "Ah, but have you heard the version on The Highly Improbable Saga Of The Vanishingly Obscure? It's amazing! Or what about the one on The Incomplete and Unsubstantiated Myths and Apocrypha of Hawkdom? 'Cos that one's a killer!! Although... it's only on the Albanian import version, obviously") ;) -- Nick Medford From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 6 17:48:05 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:48:05 -0000 Subject: HW - tape info Message-ID: Snorkwind, Andy. Firat appeared at Stonehenge. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 November 2001 00:31 Subject: Re: HW - tape info >Hi, >Rooting around the collection today I found this cassette listed as >Snortwind-Oxford New Age Fair 5-6-86 and line-up as Huw LL/Alan Davey/Danny >Thompson and a guy called Grob on keyboards - anyone know who Grob >is???....and what the heck is this Snortwind thing anyway - not something >I've come across before now - your dept, perhaps, Bernard??? >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Jarrett" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:53 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: Concert Attendance > > >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >> >> > There is a virus about - it's called 'poor concert attendance'. >> > Over here in the UK we have always had the idea that the USA events such >as >> > this would pull in more of an audience, but this now seems to be so >rampant >> > a situatiion everywhere. >> > On the electronic music front, an annual event in Holland previously >called >> > Klem, now 'E-live' has been canceleled this year due to poor ticket >sales - >> > 4 years ago they were getting over 1000 people. The partner event, Alpha >> > Centauri, only got 600+ people this year by getting Rick Wakeman to >> > headline. In the UK, you couldn't put on the annual electronic music >> > festivals we used to do without reckoning on around 125 people where it >used >> > to be 300-400+. >> > On the space-rock front, Alan Davey's gigs are getting better attended >but >> > the average audience is rarely into three figures, low even for some of >the >> > small venues played, while Spacehead and Dr Hasbeen havea similar >situation. >> > Yet Hawkwind still do it wherever they go, obviously the known name that >> > people put themselves out for. >> > The theory runs that those of a 'certain age' or income bracket are >either >> > jaundiced of all the small conceerts and only go to big ones - or if >they >> > have to travel distance to the gigs,then the expensive peripherals make >it >> > all too much - and so on. >> > So, are the up and coming bands, even the known ones, doomed to play to >such >> > small audiences and is there no way of redressing this situation? >> > Just a thought for all........... >> >> I don't think this is the whole answer but I'm inclined to blame >> the Internet for this. The things is that it's a marvellous tool for >> reaching the people who care about such and such a band. You know where >> all your fans are and so obviously you concentrate your effort there. But >> it's no substitute for getting out there and putting posters up, getting >> people onto venue mailing lists, handing out flyers, because those people >> you reach with the net are *thousands* of miles apart and not many of them >> will go to more than one gig. I think part of the problem is that the net >> *seems* like such a useful publicity tool that people forget to use the >> others. The net should be where people go to get information about an >> event they've heard about, but there's so much of it that the people you >> *need* to reach, the locals who'll just come to see or because it might be >> a laugh and they can always go down the pub instead, the people you >> *can't* rely on to find out by word of mouth, will never stumble across it >> there. They need to walk past a poster by accident. >> >> Of course fewer people are going to concerts because travel costs >> are going up, and home entertainment is so much better than it used to be >> and so much cheaper than going out; but I'm not sure everyone does >> everything they can to fight this. I've never had the time to do it >> properly myself but I've not seen many other band posters round here >> since... well, the Bedouin gig before the one I organised, which was >> nearly three years ago now. That's my thoughts on the matter, anyway. They >> may not be terribly coherent as I'm falling asleep at the keyboard but >> there you go. Yours, >> Jon >> >> ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Blue Oyster Cult_ >> -- >> Jon Jarrett "Two men say they're Jesus, >> (01223 514989) One of 'em must be wrong..." >> jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Mark Knopfler) > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Nov 6 18:24:34 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:24:34 -0600 Subject: HW/ BOC-L , Back in the USSR? In-Reply-To: <16a.3771efc.29199240@aol.com> Message-ID: <<"but does the lady live in Russia?">> she is. I am always interested. and they had the Meades Of Asphodel on the Hi-Fi and I'm stuck here without a source (not for long of course) m From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Tue Nov 6 19:46:24 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:46:24 +1300 Subject: Cranium 10% off Sale In-Reply-To: <200111021000.FAA00355@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Cranium Music issues its latest Newsletter (#70) and announces a 10% off Sale begins. If you would like to receive our latest newsletter with lots of new & restocked progressive titles plus psychedelic, spacerock etc then send an email to info at cranium.co.nz Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz http://www.cranium-music.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 6 21:18:11 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:18:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Sort Yourselves Out. In-Reply-To: <3BC242C8.F9C627E6@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, root wrote: > MY GOD WHAT IS GOING ON HERE????? Caps lock jam? > I join this mail list Sunday Oct 8. Instead of seeing information about > Hawkwind/ICU/other drug crazed hippies what do I get? > > A pissy .com argument. > > I DON'T GIVE A SHIT HOW CHILDISH DAVE BROCK IS OR IS NOT. I do because it affects the production of records and tours. > > It works like this... > If you own a .com you can use it whatever the name is don't matter who > you piss off in the process. If you don't own it you can't use it. > Its that simple. No it's not. Because the guy who was using the site did not own it, and he was doing it notionally in the interest of some other people who didn't own it, the guy who does having lost interest. Not too simple really. > If anyone is interested (and believe me you ain't) you can go to > http://www.hawklord.uklinux.net to see what I'm into. I don't have > much space so I can't host a Hawkwind site even if I want to. But if > the people who did hawkwind.com want to become www.hawklord.uklinux.net > then I can put a re-direct into my top index.html to send people to your > site wherever you want to keep it. Let me just compare this to your paragraph above. You would own that domain. So suely no-one else could use it, if your statement above is true? Of course it's not, as this shows, but if someone doing what you suggest put up something you thought might get you in trouble I imagine you might feel inclined to restrict their freedom slightly given that you'd have the legal responsibility. > If hawkwind do not own hawkwind.com simply tell Brock to shut the f*&^ > up! Hawkwind don't! So great! But it was supposed to be an information site! If the band you're trying to inform people about won't tell you anything and want your site closed down what are you going to do? Start an I-hate-hawkwind.com? > Look forward to Greasy Truckers and if I'm in a good mood I'll put Welsh > fungii in yer lager! I don't drink lager so sadly this fate was denied me. > IF HAWKWIND DO NOT OWN hawkwind.com THEN THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO THAT > DOMAIN AND NO RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT. LET THEM WASTE > THEIR MONEY ON LAWYERS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP YOU. Yes, they can. They can claim damages and an injunction to stop content they feel is damaging their income going up. In the same way if someone prints something abusive about you in a newspaper you don't own on presses you don't own and sells it to other people than yourself you can still sue. > The name Hawkwind comes from a descriptive nickname once given to a > genleman who cougthed up flem on a regular basis and also farted a > lot.... hawk wind... get it? That geezers real name is Nik Turner. That's one story. Even Nik didn't always tell it, as the clippings that were on hawkwind.com would have made clear to you. > Lets put Nik's gig in perspective. He is what 60? In 1972 Greasy > Truckers put on cheap gigs and flogged a couple of cheap albums because > they wanted people to hear the music. Now in a new century he has > gotten as close to the classic Hawkwind line up of '73 as you will ever > get, OK Brock ain't there but a lot of folks I've never seen are and I > been seeing Hawkwind since 1977. So I'm expecting something special, > not just another Brock gig. Actually they were closer with the last Hawkestra given that for the Space Ritual segment they had everyone bar Calvert and Simon King. But even this one was undeniably something special. On which more peaceful note I close, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 6 21:24:48 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:24:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Laura Waesche wrote: > Not really, many of the books were written at the time they happened > by people like Moses, David and the prophets, not to mention Matthew > Mark Luke & John. > > >>> Daniel Jackson 10/09/01 01:23PM >>> > The various bibles and doctrines were written many, many years after > the events, so really, they're just hearsay, no? ----- Original > Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: read your bibles > > > > On 9 Oct 2001, at 18:48, Daniel Jackson wrote: > > > > > > How amusing. I wonder how much of these Bibles _you_ have read. > > > > > > most, cover to cover, and nothing I have read changes my position, in > > > fact, it only serves to reinforce it. > > > > > Hey, seeing as how we have a couple bible experts here. Could > > either of you gentlemen tell me who wrote the fuckin' thing? I don't know about the Old Testament. I know it's thoight to be older than its oldest surviving texts but I don't know how old those are. But the last time I was informed about the New Testament, I thought the only part that was accepted as probably by the claimed author was Revelations and the Pauline material. As for the Gospels, Luke at least goes back to before 70 A. D., though not demonstrably further and so could, just, have been written by someone remembering what Luke had told them. I believe in recent years they've managed to get John back even further, to the point were he could plausibly have written the text used in the copy they have. That's not to say he did but it's possible. As far as I know that's the academic state of play. _The Cambridge History of the Bible_ is getting old now but will tell you a lot more about it than I can. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Tue Nov 6 21:36:31 2001 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc De Montfort) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:36:31 -0500 Subject: Need Southampton Setlist 8/8/87 Message-ID: Hi Subject says it all. Respond privately please. Thanks Le Duc _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 6 22:13:54 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:13:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: relevance & irrelevance (was HW: Swindon) In-Reply-To: <200111052051.PAA19531@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:51:58PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:51:58PM -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > [...] there is a living successor to > Hassan i Sahba, and he DOESN'T live in Afghanistan. And he doesn't seem to be a terrorist (I take it you mean the Aga Khan). If al Qaeda lasts a thousand years, bin Laden's 30-times successor probably won't be one either... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 6 22:41:47 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:41:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:24:48AM +0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:24:48AM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > As for the Gospels, Luke at least > goes back to before 70 A. D., though not demonstrably further and so > could, just, have been written by someone remembering what Luke had told > them. I believe in recent years they've managed to get John back even > further, to the point were he could plausibly have written the text used > in the copy they have. That's not to say he did but it's possible. As far > as I know that's the academic state of play. Hmm. Last I'd read, they were arguing whether Mark or Matthew came first, around 70 AD. Then the other two synoptics (Matthew or Mark, and Luke). John came last, near the end of the first century. Here's an argument for Mark: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/mark-prior.html In his intro, he mentions four theories, two each in favour of Mark and Matthew, and adds that "Lukan priority is rarely supposed". One of the pro-Mark theories says that the authors of Matthew and Luke both independently used Mark as a source, along with another document, now lost, that they refer to as "Q" (from the German for "source", if I recall). Here's an argument for this theory: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q-exist.html I have to admit I haven't read either of those essays; I just now found them. But they're bookmarked :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From deltawave at METRONET.COM Tue Nov 6 23:47:51 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:47:51 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Fear-Nik In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just went up to the hole in the roof to check if the coast is clear- Nik was up there on patrol.,. it's not safe..... From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Nov 6 23:11:09 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:11:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if anyone has heard of any of these bands? Burnt Noodle, Cellular Structure, Pharaoh Overlord, Colour Haze, Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like), Johnson Noise, Lamp Of The Universe, Liquid Zoo, Majestic Scene, Magic Carpathians, Ole Lukkoye, Spids Nogenhat, Skye Klad, Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. Jerry From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 7 00:49:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:49:04 -0600 Subject: (OFF) Fear-Nik In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I just went up to the hole in the roof to check if the coast is clear- >Nik was up there on patrol.,. >it's not safe..... oh I'm kidding- I just wanted to use reverse psychology so we could get our links back up and running.... maybe if I go lurk...(you don't think I can do that, I know you don't) neither do I... m From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Nov 7 00:09:20 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:09:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: Spids Nogenhat?? Kewl Name! Never heard of them, though....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: OFF: new groups > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if > anyone has heard of any of these bands? > > Burnt Noodle, Cellular Structure, Pharaoh Overlord, Colour Haze, > Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like), > Johnson Noise, Lamp Of The Universe, Liquid Zoo, Majestic Scene, > Magic Carpathians, Ole Lukkoye, Spids Nogenhat, Skye Klad, > Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. > > Jerry > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 7 01:09:07 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:09:07 -0500 Subject: Hitchin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101213649.01d1b5d0@pop.madasafish.com>; from desdinova@MADASAFISH.COM on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:44:07PM +0000 Message-ID: Haphazard perhaps, but he's helpful all the same. For HW, I wanted to order in advance and have the tickets held at the box office. Well, there isn't a box office; as you say, advance tickets are sold out of the Market Office nearby. He asked if I could drop by to purchase my tickets -- I pointed out that it's not exactly convenient from Toronto :-) So he kindly made an exception for me; I'm to pick up my tickets at the Market Office (i.e. during normal office hours, NOT at gig time). On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:44:07PM +0000, Chris Warburton wrote: > Based on my experiences with Girlschool, they're a bit haphazard. It seems > to be run out of the offices that run the market. The guy wasn't there > when I went in, and the woman I spoke to said that he hadn't actually > printed the tickets at that time, but she took my details. When I rang up > a couple of days before, he just said "No problem, pay at the door, your > tickets are reserved..." And so it turned out. It's a funny little place, > but if there's a decent crowd, it'll probably be a fun place for the > show. Real old-fashioned small town town hall with barrel vaulted ceiling, > acoustically dodgy, but quite intimate. Shame I probably won't be able to > go... > > Cheers, > ChrisW > > At 09:37 01/11/01, you wrote: > >Has anyone ordered and received tickets for this date yet? > > > >Richard. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 7 01:24:27 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:24:27 -0500 Subject: HW Social Convenor In-Reply-To: <200111051233.HAA15772@listserv.spc.edu>; from stuart.hamilton@SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK on Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > More updates at > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for *any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? HELP!!! Cardiff Hitchin Poole Torquay Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's exquisite) Brighton Walthamstow Thanks. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Nov 7 01:36:24 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:36:24 EST Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/01 9:25:30 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: that Laura w. wrote << many of the books were written at the time they happened > by people like Moses, David and the prophets, not to mention Matthew > Mark Luke & John. > >> ========= ....and speaking of wondering why I'm here.... This one disagrees . quite a bit of the new testament was written to appease the occupying Romans. "as it happened"? 3 centuries before catholicism became the official religion of the state? the first xians were a radical jewish spinoff _cult_; the "messiah" was anticipated, long before the birth and subsequent execution of one "joshua ben joseph", who was not the first "messiah" to claim to be that "messiah" (king), and not the first to be executed as such, just the first to be _accepted_ as such, by those who accepted it. Crucifixion was a standard Roman mode of execution at the time. The jewish people are still waiting for this "messiah" to show up. forget it. zoroastrianism pour moi. ahura mazda or bust -_- ...or maybe I shoud go to this unhappy place Underground Serbian Cafe and write about Hawkwind... "<>" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 7 02:54:12 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 02:54:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: read your bibles In-Reply-To: <153.3a32d86.291a3068@aol.com>; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:36:24AM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:36:24AM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > quite a bit of the new testament was written to appease the occupying Romans. More specifically, to appeal to potential Roman (and other gentile) converts. The Roman *authorities* were still feeding them to the lions -- not much scope for appeasement there. > the first xians were a radical jewish spinoff _cult_; the "messiah" was > anticipated, long before the birth and subsequent execution of one "joshua > ben joseph", who was not the first "messiah" to claim to be that "messiah" > (king), and not the first to be executed as such, just the first to be > _accepted_ as such, by those who accepted it. I'm not sure he was even that; he might just be the only messiah whose cult managed to survive. It did so mostly because a Johnny-come-lately empire-builder named St. Paul coopted/corrupted it. "You don't have to be Jewish; anyone can join." Soon the gentiles outnumbered the Jews by a huge margin, allowing Paul to grab control from the remaining apostles, by the simple expedient of declaring "you aren't the REAL followers of Christ; WE are". That's my cynical take on it at any rate ... and it brings this back on topic, in an odd sort of way; sounds a bit like the Dave/Nik wars, doesn't it? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Nov 6 17:07:29 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:07:29 +0000 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Speaking of which, what's holding up _As Above So Below_ >*now*? Anyone know, in the absence of Mr Gilham? Yeah: basically Alan/Ali & Co. aren't very sussed out, so it's taking some time. There was the huge gaff with the cover art of course, and I think they're off printing up a cover using the "remix" of the art Andy Gilham rescued from the depths of Microsoft Publisher (or some ridiculous "art" package like that over which the printing people completely threw up their hands when faced with), and tweaked away all the bits that would have been commercial suicide in the wake of 11 Sept, and turned into a TIFF file that the printers could handle. There's no record deal or anything, it's just going to be what they can sell at gigs, through independent distributors, etc. It was going to be sold through the Web site, but the Web site is rather adrift at the moment since the good Mr. Gilham isn't terribly motivated to have anything to do with it (unsurprisingly). However, I will say that the rough mix I heard of the album was fucking good (and the MP3 which I think is still on the Web site is drawn from that) and I will definitely buy it when I know for sure that it exists :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Wed Nov 7 03:24:19 2001 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:24:19 +0100 Subject: OFF:UFO con't Message-ID: Hej, As for Mick Bolton, the word I heard two years ago was that he still plays a lot of guitar and he and original drummer Andy Parker get together most every Sunday and jam with a bass player. He is suppose to have loads of recordings as well. As for the guitar players in between Bolton and Schenker, it is true that Bernie Marsden and Larry Wallis played. I have a piece of a live show with Bernie Marsden playing with UFO, but according to a big trader in the UK, no recordings with Wallis exist. Several live shows with Bolton are around with Kiel 71 being the best of them. Marque 1970 has some good stuff as well.. Back to Hawkwind.... when will Voiceprint and the band decide to use the BOC-L resource to start to get the fucking packaging correct on their releases. It is just plain stupid to release this stuff with some many mistakes.. scott ObCD- Bedoiun- Chester Oct 4th, 2001 (horrible show... Alans voice is shite.. I think singing like Lemmy in Ace of Spades has trashed his voice and the soundman at the show should be shot.. Great show if you want to learn the bass and espeically the drums parts.. virtually no guitar in the mix a lot of the time.. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 7 05:04:59 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:04:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: >From that list I've only heard of Yat-Kha. They're from Mongolia (or thereabouts) and from memory they are updated folk musicians, featuring some folk instruments, some modern ones and throat singing. The Wire (www.thewire.co.uk) did an article and an album review earlier this year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:11 AM Subject: OFF: new groups > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if > anyone has heard of any of these bands? > > Burnt Noodle, Cellular Structure, Pharaoh Overlord, Colour Haze, > Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like), > Johnson Noise, Lamp Of The Universe, Liquid Zoo, Majestic Scene, > Magic Carpathians, Ole Lukkoye, Spids Nogenhat, Skye Klad, > Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. > > Jerry > From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Nov 7 05:17:41 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:17:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Social Convenor - assistance required Message-ID: Come on, help these people out. They need beer! Fill in the blanks. http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html >>>> From: Eric Siegerman Subject: Re: HW Social Convenor On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > More updates at > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for *any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? HELP!!! Cardiff Hitchin Poole Torquay Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's exquisite) Brighton Walthamstow Thanks. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Nov 7 05:26:47 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:26:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: wrestlehead.. :-) i'd expected this from manowar, or similar outfits, but... motorhead?? please! hearing michael palin on "rock'n'roll" was somewhat humourous, and not that embarrassing - but a wrestling voice-over?!? grunt grunt? i guess it's entertaining for a few - like soccer anthems is to some - but i cannot imagine myself listening to that on record... augh! oh well... best, (somewhat still a motorhead fan deep inside ;-) ketil svendsen, norway ps. looking forward to the brixton DVD! if i can choose any angle, i might get a glimpse of myself being towed away by two guards ;-) pps. any news on the handycam job during the hawkestra show being released...? > MOTORHEAD GET TRIPLE TEAMED > Motorhead will have a special guest on their new album - none other than > WWF Superstar Triple H. He's going to do a spoken word piece. Motorhead, of > course, recorded the song 'The Game' as the current theme for the wrestling > legend. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Wed Nov 7 05:28:50 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:28:50 +0000 Subject: HW Social Convenor Do you live in Cardiff !!!!! Message-ID: Eric, Arin.. Me and the zimmer twins will be making our way over to Cardiff on the 16th. We will be doing beer from about 4pm near to the hall. I have heard that the Coal Exchange is on Cardiff Bay and there are a number of bars locally. However I do not know this area as I live 40 miles away in Bristol ( hey hawkwind why no Bristol or Bath shows doesn't richard live in bath anymore) Anyhow, I am trying to find someone that does know this area and a pub that we can do beer in. This may fail miserably and therefore we need to know if there are any CARDIFF people on the list that can help..... Anyone recommend any pubs ? regards iain Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > > More updates at > > > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > > > But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show > > Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for > *any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of > the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( > > Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L > signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? > > HELP!!! > > Cardiff > Hitchin > Poole > Torquay > Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to > Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's > exquisite) > Brighton > Walthamstow > > Thanks. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must > be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what > makes us feel better in the short run. > - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 05:30:49 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:30:49 -0500 Subject: HW Social Convenor Message-ID: As long as I find Arin at the Liverpool gig I will be able to recognise her and we could just meet in the bar at the venue for Walthamstow and maybe Hitchin if nobody knows any pubs around those areas. Alastair. On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:24:27 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: >> More updates at >> >> http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html >> >> But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show > >Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for >*any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of >the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( > >Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L >signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? > >HELP!!! > >Cardiff >Hitchin >Poole >Torquay >Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to > Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's > exquisite) >Brighton >Walthamstow > >Thanks. > >-- > >| | /\ >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com >| | / >The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must >be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what >makes us feel better in the short run. > - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 05:52:22 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:52:22 -0000 Subject: HW Social Convenor Message-ID: Well, I don't live too far from Walthamstow, so, as I've been unemployed since last Thursday I've got some time on my hands. Perhaps I should go and do a bit of research along with my elderly copy of the East London pub guide. Give me something to do. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Re: HW Social Convenor > As long as I find Arin at the Liverpool gig I will be able to recognise her > and we could just meet in the bar at the venue for Walthamstow and maybe > Hitchin if nobody knows any pubs around those areas. > > Alastair. > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:24:27 -0500, Eric Siegerman > wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > >> More updates at > >> > >> http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > >> > >> But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show > > > >Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for > >*any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of > >the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( > > > >Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L > >signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? > > > >HELP!!! > > > >Cardiff > >Hitchin > >Poole > >Torquay > >Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to > > Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's > > exquisite) > >Brighton > >Walthamstow > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- > > > >| | /\ > >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > >| | / > >The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must > >be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what > >makes us feel better in the short run. > > - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada > From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 06:14:20 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:14:20 -0500 Subject: Pub for Liverpool gig Message-ID: If I can I'll try and make it to the pub an hour or so before the doors open. Alastair. On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:23:28 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Here we go. Can we add this to the file? Lime Street is (as Liver Birds >fans will know) the main train station in Liverpool. > >FoFP > > >---- Start of forwarded text ---- >> Mike, >> >> The pub is the Head of Steam. It's on Lime Street (opposite St George's >> Hall). It has several bars. The real ale pumps are in the bar at the Lord >> Nelson Street end. Coming from the railway station, head past the ticket >> offices, through the glass doors at that end of the station, into Lord >> Nelson Street, turn left, and there's an entrance to the pub just a few >> yards down the street. >> >> Nick >---- End of forwarded text ---- From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 7 07:52:23 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:52:23 +0800 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Funny though! I play Live 79 to listen to Tim's singing on Lighthouse. I like it! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Magnusson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > Well, You should hear the finnish singer M A Numminnen, that's what I > call f*cking awful...on the other hand it's so awful it's good... > > >But he occasionally opens his mouth. His singing is f*cking awful. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kenneth Magnusson" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:51 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: Swindon > > > > > > > >Maybe his Apple computer crashed.... > > > >Tim, if you know someone with a real computer who can relay this to you, > >do > > > >yourself a favor - get a Pentium system, and put that bad Apple back in > >the > > > >cart. > > > > > > Hahaha, You're very funny...Pentium...hahaha... > > > > > > By the way, HW seems to have sacked Tim...how stupid can a band (or > > > band-leader) be ? Tim is the most brilliant keyboardist ever... > > > > > > Kenneth > > > > > > ------- > > > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > > > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor > > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 7 08:04:37 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:04:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In In-Reply-To: <3BE90C67.AEB62FDD@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Ketil Svendsen wrote: => wrestlehead.. :-) => i'd expected this from manowar, or similar outfits, but... motorhead?? please! => hearing michael palin on "rock'n'roll" was somewhat humourous, and not => that embarrassing - but a wrestling voice-over?!? grunt grunt? => i guess it's entertaining for a few - like soccer anthems is to some - but i => cannot imagine myself listening to that on record... augh! oh well... Well, when things seem at their bleakest, just seek comfort in the knowledge of the following technologies: - programmable CD playlists - custom-burned CD-R copies of store-bought CDs, with the boring bits excised ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 7 08:29:25 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:29:25 +0800 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: Skye Klad is the only band listed I've heard of. Never listened to them though. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: OFF: new groups > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if > anyone has heard of any of these bands? > > Burnt Noodle, Cellular Structure, Pharaoh Overlord, Colour Haze, > Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like), > Johnson Noise, Lamp Of The Universe, Liquid Zoo, Majestic Scene, > Magic Carpathians, Ole Lukkoye, Spids Nogenhat, Skye Klad, > Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. > > Jerry > From micci at SCI.FI Wed Nov 7 08:44:11 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:44:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: >Well, You should hear the finnish singer M A Numminen, that's what I >call f*cking awful...on the other hand it's so awful it's good... >>But he occasionally opens his mouth. His singing is f*cking awful. What! He is Master of art ;-) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From micci at SCI.FI Wed Nov 7 08:44:14 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:44:14 +0200 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if >anyone has heard of any of these bands? >Pharaoh Overlord, This is really good band. Circles off-shoot. Little bit heavy sound than circle. http://www.ektrorecords.com/ >Ole Lukkoye Great "ethnic" band from Russia. I like them. Sounds fresh. There is some ethnic elements and lot of psychedelia. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Nov 7 08:49:02 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:49:02 -0000 Subject: HW Social Convenor In-Reply-To: <200111071030.FAA01950@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The Red Hart in Hitchin is probably not an unreasonable choice. >From the venue walk down the hill, turn right into the pedestrian area and keep right. http://www.corbin.demon.co.uk/hitchin/bucklers.htm http://www.corbin.demon.co.uk/hitchin/brandst.htm Richard. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > [mailto:owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Alastair Lee Sumner > Sent: 07 November 2001 10:31 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW Social Convenor > > > As long as I find Arin at the Liverpool gig I will be able to > recognise her > and we could just meet in the bar at the venue for Walthamstow and maybe > Hitchin if nobody knows any pubs around those areas. > > Alastair. > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:24:27 -0500, Eric Siegerman > wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > >> More updates at > >> > >> http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > >> > >> But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show > > > >Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for > >*any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of > >the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( > > > >Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L > >signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Nov 7 09:34:52 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:34:52 +0000 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: incase anyone cares. Michael Blackman will be attending the Manchester gig.. and every gig thereafter if they'll keep him. Layla. xx >>> StevePXR5 at AOL.COM 11/04/01 07:25pm >>> Anyone know of a decent place to go pre-concert? GutterCat. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 7 09:54:11 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:54:11 +0800 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: Wish him a good time. Say "Hi" to the runaway "crow eater." He'll know what I mean... Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Layla Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Manchester > incase anyone cares. > > Michael Blackman will be attending the Manchester gig.. and every gig thereafter if they'll keep him. > > Layla. xx > > > > >>> StevePXR5 at AOL.COM 11/04/01 07:25pm >>> > Anyone know of a decent place to go pre-concert? > GutterCat. > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 7 10:19:33 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:19:33 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: whats the big freakin' deal? deciding to dislike something before you've even experienced it is the height of closed-mindedness. and give the band a break; it only makes sense for the band to go after a younger demographic while capitalizing on a connection that has already earned them a gold record award. they need to expand or at least maintain a fan base to survive. we all want that....right? bobm From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 7 09:29:53 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:29:53 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In In-Reply-To: <85.1296a23b.291aab05@aol.com> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 2001, at 10:19, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > whats the big freakin' deal? > deciding to dislike something before you've even experienced it is the > height of closed-mindedness. Hmm...I haven't had prostate cancer yet... theo From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Nov 7 10:36:38 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:36:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: Yeah I've always disliked Tim's vocals as well. I agree that his lyrics are awfully cliched... truthfully, "Lighthouse" has always made me cringe in embarrassment both because of the lyrics and Tim's voice. I never even really enjoyed his synth playing, despite the praise heaped on it from all corners. It never seemed above average for me. Give me Harvey or give me death! :-) Incidentally, after listening a couple of times to "Yule Ritual" I feel compelled to say a few things. 1) Isn't Dave's voice unspeakably great? His vocals on this release are fantastic! Dave will always be the best HW vocalist.... 2) "Hurry on Sundown" works extremely well live! It's amazing it was never included in the set until now! 3) It's startling how HW always manage to revamp themselves with new sounds and treatments... truly this is one of the most innovative rock bands out there. "Yule Ritual" is psychedelic as hell and it includes all those rarely heard numbers. *sigh of ecstasy* 4) Great as "Yule Ritual" is, HW sound even better now with Huw! I hope to hear a live release from the current tour. The Canterbury boot I have is just amazing (aside from the fact that Huw is mostly inaudible and I often wonder if he's playing at all, but such is the nature of audience tapes). John Majka jmajka2 at home.com John Majka jmajka2 at home.com > writes > >Well, I'm not certain but that was the impression I got on Tim's > >homepage, I don't remember his adress > > http://moonweed.free.fr/ > > It does indeed say that HW have cancelled all his appearances. Wonder > what the story is. > > I don't like Tim Blake's singing, although I can never quite work out why, as > he *can* actually hit all the notes, there's just something about the timbre > of his voice that makes it sound unconvincing. But his awful cliched lyrics > are the biggest turn-off. If he made purely instrumental music, I suspect he > would get a lot more of the recognition his synth skills deserve. > > Good version of Lighthouse on Yule Ritual though. > > (cue for someone to jump in with "Ah, but have you heard the version on > The Highly Improbable Saga Of The Vanishingly Obscure? It's amazing! Or > what about the one on The Incomplete and Unsubstantiated Myths and > Apocrypha of Hawkdom? 'Cos that one's a killer!! Although... it's only on > the Albanian import version, obviously") > > ;) > -- > Nick Medford > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 7 10:44:24 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:44:24 GMT Subject: Manchester In-Reply-To: Layla Thompson's message of Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:34:52 +0000 Message-ID: Layla Thompson writes: > incase anyone cares. > Michael Blackman will be attending the Manchester gig.. and every > gig thereafter if they'll keep him. Is the pub chosen for Manchester? FoFP From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 12:36:19 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:36:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: read your bibles Message-ID: Sorry folks, but I still prefer my argument: news:3BC6E375.EF42DAF3 at blueyonder.co.uk Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:24:48AM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > As for the Gospels, Luke at least > > goes back to before 70 A. D., though not demonstrably further and so > > could, just, have been written by someone remembering what Luke had told > > them. I believe in recent years they've managed to get John back even > > further, to the point were he could plausibly have written the text used > > in the copy they have. That's not to say he did but it's possible. As far > > as I know that's the academic state of play. > > Hmm. Last I'd read, they were arguing whether Mark or Matthew > came first, around 70 AD. Then the other two synoptics (Matthew > or Mark, and Luke). John came last, near the end of the first > century. Here's an argument for Mark: > http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/mark-prior.html > In his intro, he mentions four theories, two each in favour of > Mark and Matthew, and adds that "Lukan priority is rarely > supposed". > > One of the pro-Mark theories says that the authors of Matthew and > Luke both independently used Mark as a source, along with another > document, now lost, that they refer to as "Q" (from the German > for "source", if I recall). Here's an argument for this theory: > http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q-exist.html > > I have to admit I haven't read either of those essays; I just > now found them. But they're bookmarked :-/ > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must > be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what > makes us feel better in the short run. > - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Nov 7 12:56:31 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:56:31 +0000 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: yeah, i would.... gladly! BUT! The little GIT has pissed off for the 2nd time cause he can't handle being ALIVE. He has vanished AGAIN. After running up phone bills and electricity bills and eating my food for three months without giving me a PENNY. He has left without saying anything. he is a selfish little runt and if I ever have the missfortune to see him again. I shall make him pay of his dept to me (bearing in mind I am VERY in the red at the minute, and I'm still a TEENAGER!!) with his own blood if he isn't carefull! Layla. xx >>> freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU 11/07/01 02:54pm >>> Wish him a good time. Say "Hi" to the runaway "crow eater." He'll know what I mean... Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Layla Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Manchester > incase anyone cares. > > Michael Blackman will be attending the Manchester gig.. and every gig thereafter if they'll keep him. > > Layla. xx > > > > >>> StevePXR5 at AOL.COM 11/04/01 07:25pm >>> > Anyone know of a decent place to go pre-concert? > GutterCat. > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 7 14:06:41 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (no-one) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:06:41 -0600 Subject: Manchester In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Devla "Chuckles" "My Valentine": <<> Dear list, cover your eyes, this has adult content. m ps- Hi Sweetie!!! NNP: PLASTIC PEOPLE of the universe PRAGUE.....Egon Bondy's Happy Hearts Club Banned From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 13:21:08 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:21:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Was it you? Message-ID: Calling US readers: Cast your minds back to October 2000, Brixton Academy, Hawkestra. As I stood in the (now legendary) queue, there were 2 gents behind me who had come over from the US. They were approached by a young black guy who I think was hoping to interest them in some of his fine pharmaceutical wares. They declined (although I won't publicise the reason they gave!) but got into conversation with him about that night's event. He was mightily impressed (as was I, eavesdropping in front) that they had come all the way from the US for the night's festivities. "So what sort of music is it then?" he asked "SPACE ROCK!" "So what's that then?" Answer was something along the lines of- the original version of all that trance music you youngsters have nowadays. He seemed quite interested by that. Just over a year later, it belatedly occurs to me that the two gents in question may well be on this list. One has curly hair, mid to late 30s, the other I cannot recall now... but the question goes out- was it you? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 7 14:45:23 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:45:23 -0600 Subject: HW: Was it you? In-Reply-To: <200111071821.NAA04520@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: wasn't me or my friend- mine came from a couple I met in a pub.... hyuk hyuk. m From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Nov 7 13:53:11 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:53:11 +0000 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: huh? L. xx >>> deltawave at METRONET.COM 11/07/01 07:06pm >>> Devla "Chuckles" "My Valentine": <<> Dear list, cover your eyes, this has adult content. m ps- Hi Sweetie!!! NNP: PLASTIC PEOPLE of the universe PRAGUE.....Egon Bondy's Happy Hearts Club Banned From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 7 15:05:41 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:05:41 -0600 Subject: Manchester In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "huh?" off list Layleesweetsiepoopiepoopums.....off list....... [for me, anyway]. He's probably having a little homesickness and trouble adjusting to the mountainous air....makes his voice higher pitched which causes depression......not to mention the buzz when they blow the Scottish smoke his way.....very tolling on a Tasmanian..... m From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Nov 7 14:39:56 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:39:56 +0000 Subject: Manchester Message-ID: fine talk to me off list then. He has pissed me off one too many times. Just thought i'd better tell people. Cause I know there were a few others that he said he'd stay with.... He won't give you ANYTHING in return for your hospitality. No, wait.. he DID wash the dishes.... Other than that.. sat round on his fat backside complaining that he had no money.... L. xx >>> deltawave at METRONET.COM 11/07/01 08:05pm >>> "huh?" off list Layleesweetsiepoopiepoopums.....off list....... [for me, anyway]. He's probably having a little homesickness and trouble adjusting to the mountainous air....makes his voice higher pitched which causes depression......not to mention the buzz when they blow the Scottish smoke his way.....very tolling on a Tasmanian..... m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 7 15:41:45 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (batboy) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:41:45 -0600 Subject: Manchester In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "huh?" I didn't say it wasn't a superb post and that it wasn't gobbled up nations-coast to another nations-coast....... thanx for the update... m From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 15:22:25 2001 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:22:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Social Convenor - assistance required In-Reply-To: <200111071017.FAA01721@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The Stag in Upper Bedford Street is a good pub for the Brighton gig. The link below is where the pub is: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?x=532250&y=103750&zo om=1&isp=200&ism=500&arrow=y?40,5 The venue is on Marine Drive on the seafront (below Marine Parade) directly down from the pub. Jas. > Come on, help these people out. They need beer! > Fill in the blanks. > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > >>>> > > From: Eric Siegerman > Subject: Re: HW Social Convenor > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:33:32AM -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: > > More updates at > > > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > > > > But no-ne seems to actually want to meet pre show > > Well, I want to meet! But so far, I haven't seen locations for > *any* of the gigs I'll be at -- and having never been to any of > the towns/districts before, I can't exactly offer suggestions :-( > > Will Arin and I be reduced to picketing the venues with BOC-L > signs, waiting for some kind list-member to say hello? > > HELP!!! > > Cardiff > Hitchin > Poole > Torquay > Salisbury (though if the timing works out, I might just go to > Evensong at the cathedral instead; I'm told it's > exquisite) > Brighton > Walthamstow > > Thanks. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 7 15:09:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if >anyone has heard of any of these bands? > >Burnt Noodle Northern California band...long-winded psychedelic jams. The last one on the CD I have (their only one?) is 25 minutes long or so IIRC. They appeared on my latest 2CD compilation. >Pharaoh Overlord Circle (Finland) spinoff - perhaps even more repetitive & hypnotic & hard-driving than Circle itself. The average person on the street would think this the most boring music ever. I think it's fabulous. >Magic Carpathians Atman (Poland) spinoff - very 'world' music folk/psychedelia, with the typical tablas, didgeridoos, violins, rosin-wheel droney things, (female) vocal chanting...Saddar Bazaar sort of thing. Pleasant. >Ole Lukkoye Russian/Baltic? band of similar ilk, but more rock IIRC. Haven't listened to them for awhile - they didn't seem quite as good as I expected from reports, but again I need to pull that one out again. >Skye Klad Excellent Minneapolis band that played a very nice set at Strange Daze 2000. Twin guitarists, one who is 'technical' and flamboyant, the other who is textural and psychedelic (ebow and wah) - nice mixture. Good vocalist (who looks like Billy Corgan) that can do Damo Suzuki-style whispered ranting as well as 'normal' singing. Their debut CD (essentially - there was a CDR thing that came out several years back that three of us outside MN have) just came out not too long ago - I recommend it. Salamander, the band featuring the 'drone guitarist' from Skye Klad, is also an amazing band (more eastern flavors, as well as some prime blanga) and appeared also on my 2CD compilation. Other spinoffs include Vortex Navigation Company and Gentle Tasaday....more eastern droney-psych stuff there too. There's reviews of all this stuff over at www.aural-innovations.com, and probably of all the other bands above too. Not sure about the other names - not familiar to me. Grakkl (FAA) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 7 15:51:58 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:51:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Was it you? In-Reply-To: <200111071821.NAA04520@listserv.spc.edu>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:21:08PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:21:08PM -0500, Nick Medford wrote: > "SPACE ROCK!" > > "So what's that then?" I've always been stumped for an answer to that one! I tend to mumble something about "what Pink Floyd might have become if they hadn't slowed down and made Meddle", or "T. Dream meets Motorhead (in fact, Lemmy was yada yada)". > Answer was something along the lines of- the original version of all that > trance music you youngsters have nowadays. He seemed quite interested by > that. Excellent answer. Think I'll borrow it :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 7 15:55:47 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:55:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <20011107134411.58C0A29A1@kura.mail.jippii.net> Message-ID: Sl? mig, sl? mig, sl? mig med din rytmenpinne sl? mig....sl? mig b?de svensk ? finne sl? mig... Kenneth > >Well, You should hear the finnish singer M A Numminen, that's what I > >call f*cking awful...on the other hand it's so awful it's good... > >>But he occasionally opens his mouth. His singing is f*cking awful. > >What! He is Master of art ;-) > > >Miikka Wagner >email: micci at sci.fi > >Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind >http://www.sci.fi/~micci >email: finn.wind at sci.fi ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 7 16:39:22 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:39:22 +0300 Subject: OFF: for Amorphis fans Message-ID: Hello! This question is addressed especially for those who live in Finland. I've heard that Esa Holopainen from Amorphis is much into space rock and even has 4 some other bands, with at least one band in the style of Ozric Tentacles (I've read about in some interview). Do you know any of his other bands? Alisa From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 7 17:04:20 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:04:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Plug-in In-Reply-To: <014701c167d4$aa705220$ba45efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Which plug-in is required for the hawkwind mcp ? I have downloaded flash and shockwavw but...nope... ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 7 17:52:19 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:52:19 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: who knows, you might like it! well put lol bobm From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 7 17:56:42 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:56:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: Burnt Noodle (exceptional psych songs and instrumentals - CDS sell it now) Cellular Structure (ex-Spacehead - synths and guitars, mostly synths -bit like space-rockier Tim Blake - superb and in stock now) Pharaoh Overlord (stoner rock - great stuff) Colour Haze (not a clue) Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like) (not a clue) Johnson Noise (not a clue) Lamp Of The Universe (sitars and guitars and stuff - very heady - better than Saddar Bazaar though) Liquid Zoo (know 'em - can't remember - that good, huh?) Majestic Scene (not a clue) Magic Carpathians (not a clue) Ole Lukkoye (something to do with Faust? boring album IMO - non-conformist) Spids Nogenhat (say what??? - not a clue) Skye Klad (lots of people like them - I found their brand of space/psych rock a bit disappoinitng,but then who am I to say....) Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. (not a clue - help me Jerry - are any of these with CD's - worth selling? bring them on......... Andy G (personal AND CD Services hat on) > > Jerry From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 7 17:47:37 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:47:37 -0000 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" Message-ID: Both Alan Davey's 'Final Call' and Bedouin's 'As Above' CD albums will be in stock at CD Services next week, probably Wednesday. All orders that everyone is waiting for, will be fulfilled immediately. For the time being, only CD Services will be selling these, plus I think Alan will sell the Bedouin on tour. So, don't bother looking in the shops - you won't find them. The reasons for this are long and convoluted, may change at some point in the future, but unlikely before Xmas at the earliest. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 18:53:04 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:53:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Social Convenor - assistance required Message-ID: I'll be in Torquay. There are, to the best of my recall, dozens of pubs in Torquay but I don't know any of them! The main street is called the Strand but I don't think it has any good pubs. A quick search of Yell.com with reference to a streetmap of Torquay suggests the following might be the easiest to find. Victoria Parade runs alongside the harbour a few hundred yards/meters (whatever) east of the Princess Theatre so it's not too far away. No idea what the place is like though. Any locals around who can advise? Meet there about 7pm unless anyone has a better idea? The Strand Bar 3, Victoria Parade Torquay Devon TQ1 2BB Tel: 01803 292350 Map/Directions Save this ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Z E Itgeist To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: HW: Social Convenor - assistance required > Come on, help these people out. They need beer! > Fill in the blanks. > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 19:27:48 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:27:48 +0000 Subject: ICU: INNER CITY UNIT Website update Message-ID: Hi Folks, The burst of ICU activity has spurred me on to update the ICU website. There are some fabulous new pictures of the band in 1980 waiting around outside the rehearsal room, it looks more like 1930.. they were writing the "Maximum Effect" album at this time.. Enjoy! http://www.innercityunit.com -Steve From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Nov 7 19:57:21 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:57:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: > Sl? mig, sl? mig, sl? mig med din rytmenpinne sl? mig....sl? mig b?de > svensk ? finne sl? mig... > > Kenneth > Have you been drinking? :-) Cheers, Rich. NP: Gil Blanco County... From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 7 21:05:27 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:05:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium Message-ID: Anyone know if Porcupine Tree is still with Delerium Records? Subsidiary question: whatever happened to Delerium's website? www.delerium.co.uk redirects me to the Freak Emporium??? Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Nov 7 21:28:33 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:28:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: > >Skye Klad > > Excellent Minneapolis band that played a very nice set at Strange Daze 2000. To this I'll add, Check out www.skyeklad.com. Adam, the vocalist is no longer in the band. Singing duties are apparently shifting to the two guitar players. I think they are opening up for prism in a week or so here in minneapolis. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 7 23:19:23 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:19:23 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: I'm getting kinda bored of this...seriously: anybody got any ideas, suggestions, requests...anything?? does anybody care??? (hey, no puns please!) Does anyone out there on CyberEarth actually listen? I'm just wondering...I would understand if you don't (listen)... The locals never call...though I realize "listenership" of a small college-radio show should not be gaged/gouged by # of calls...still, I doubt sometimes if people are listening... it's understandable that people in other regions/time-zones wouldn't _call_...god knows i don't expect that...and i know there's tons of this stuff on the Web now...and ever better a lot of it's archived... so what is the point of this rant? lame self-pity. the original idea for SDNC was to give _myself_ a kick in the ass...if others dig it, that was a bonus...but these days I think I about callin' it a day (though considering how numerically-anal I am, I'll probably wait till March just so I can look back and call it "3 years"). Please don't take this as a lame wahh-wahh bluff for a pat-on-the-back... (then again, maybe that's what it is!...ahhh...i hope not...) anyway, the stupid play-list...which is just words, not music... (AM I DOING THE "NEXT RIGHT THING"?????) 11/3 1.Cul de Sac-- "China Gate/Sakhalin" (China Gate; Thirsty Ear) 2.Mushroom-- "Antonioni's Groove" (Iamaphotographer; Plain) 3.Gong-- "Other Side of the Sky" (Angels Egg; Decal/Charly) 4.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Moonlight on Vermont" (Trout Mask Replica; WB) 5.Frank Zappa-- "For Calvin " (Grand Wazoo; Rykodisc) 6.Neu!-- "Hallo Gallo" (ST'd, Astralwerks) 7.Can-- "Mother Upduff" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) 8.Faust-- "Mamie is Blue" (So Far; Collector's Choice...and that new box set) 9.Guru Guru-- "Der Elektrolurch" (ST'd/Spaceship: Best of Pt. 2; Cleopatra) 10.Camel-- "Nimrodel/The Procession/The White Rider" (Mirage; Janus) 11.Magma-- "HHAie" (Live; Jaro) 12.Sproton Layer-- "Up" (With Magnetic Fields Disrupted; New Alliance) 13.Wallenstein-- "Relics of Past" (Mother Universe; Spalax) 14.Motorhead-- "Vibrator" (ST'd; Attic) 15.Hawkwind-- "Brainbox Pollution" (1999 Party Live '74 Chicago; EMI) 16.U.F.O.-- "Prince Kajuku" (Space Metal; Nova) 17.Robert Calvert/Maximum Effect-- "Ned Ludd" (Live 3/11/86 Carlysle) 18.Twink/Plasticland-- "Seize the Time" (You Need a Fairy Godmother; Midnight) 19.Judas Priest-- "Sinner" (Sin After Sin; CBS/Columbia) 20.Anubian Lights-- "Skinless Kiss" (Rare/Remix CD-R) 21.Scattered Planets-- "Landing Pad" (Drinking w/Aliens) 22.Guild Navigators-- "Ghost of the Cosmonaut" (Phase 1: '91-'97) 23.Nik Turner-- "Thoth" (Transglobal Friends/Relations; Transparency) 24.Spacious Mind-- "Cave Song" (Organic Mind Solution; Garageland) 25.Shay-- "Conversation in the Cathedral" (Dreamers and Stalkers) 26.Angelo Badalamenti/David Lynch-- "Silencio" ("Mullholland Drive" Soundtrack; BMG) 27.Muz-- tracks 1-6 (Banana in Portugese; Tekito) thanks, Chuck From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 7 23:32:09 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:32:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "Tom Clark" > Spids Nogenhat?? > > Kewl Name! > > Never heard of them, though....... It's Danish for "Magic Mushroom". Members are Uffe Lorenzen (Pandemonica), Aron (Aron, On Trial), and Hobbitten (On Trial). Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 7 23:36:17 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:36:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "Chris Allen" > From that list I've only heard of Yat-Kha. They're from Mongolia (or > thereabouts) and from memory they are updated folk musicians, featuring some > folk instruments, some modern ones and throat singing. > The Wire (www.thewire.co.uk) did an article and an album review earlier this > year. I went to that site, but couldn't find the article or review online :( Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 7 23:38:34 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:38:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "Miikka Wagner" > > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if > >anyone has heard of any of these bands? > > >Pharaoh Overlord, > > This is really good band. Circles off-shoot. Little bit heavy sound than circle. > http://www.ektrorecords.com/ > > >Ole Lukkoye > > Great "ethnic" band from Russia. I like them. Sounds fresh. There is some > ethnic elements and lot of psychedelia. Thanks, I'll have to check them out. Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 7 23:47:40 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:47:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "K Henderson" > > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if > >anyone has heard of any of these bands? > > > >Burnt Noodle > > Northern California band...long-winded psychedelic jams. The last one on > the CD I have (their only one?) is 25 minutes long or so IIRC. They > appeared on my latest 2CD compilation. The CD I saw was called The Noodle And The Damage Done. One song 'Noodle In A Nutshell' was 22 minutes long. What 2CD compilation? I'll check out Aural Innovations and see what I can find out about the others. Thanks, Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 7 23:58:01 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:58:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > Burnt Noodle (exceptional psych songs and instrumentals - CDS sell it now) > Cellular Structure (ex-Spacehead - synths and guitars, mostly synths -bit > like space-rockier Tim Blake - superb and in stock now) > Pharaoh Overlord (stoner rock - great stuff) > Colour Haze (not a clue) > Elevator Tribe (I've heard described as Floyd/Porcupine Tree like) (not a > clue) > Johnson Noise (not a clue) > Lamp Of The Universe (sitars and guitars and stuff - very heady - better > than Saddar Bazaar though) > Liquid Zoo (know 'em - can't remember - that good, huh?) > Majestic Scene (not a clue) > Magic Carpathians (not a clue) > Ole Lukkoye (something to do with Faust? boring album IMO - non-conformist) > Spids Nogenhat (say what??? - not a clue) > Skye Klad (lots of people like them - I found their brand of space/psych > rock a bit disappoinitng,but then who am I to say....) > Tales, Vibravoid, Wide Scope, and Yat-Kha. > (not a clue - help me Jerry - are any of these with CD's - worth selling? > bring them on......... Some of them may be available on vinyl only. I guess I'll have to pick a few up and send them to you. I'll get in touch with you about some of the others you have in stock. I'm going on vacation in a few days and I'm not sure how much access I'll have to computers ( I really need the vacation for a break away from things). Jerry From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Nov 8 02:16:19 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:16:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 In-Reply-To: <15a.3a1da16.291b61cb@aol.com> Message-ID: OK Chuck- I tup eht llor fo "gnilc parw" txen ot eht retupmoc, os ecno I teg eht wen .pmoc dekooh pu, ll'I esu ti ot revoc eht dapyek morf aloc, reeb, dna retawgnob........ m From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Nov 8 01:05:54 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:05:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium Message-ID: Alex asked... >Anyone know if Porcupine Tree is still with Delerium Records? Um, no...they left Delerium three albums ago, if you count "Recordings" as a 'third' official Snapper release. "Stupid Dream" and "Dimbulb Sun" were both on Snapper also. Delerium is still releasing old PT material though, like the Voyage 34 disc and a compilation of everything up to Signify. >Subsidiary question: whatever happened to Delerium's website? >www.delerium.co.uk redirects me to the Freak Emporium??? I dunno, though I've never thought there was much difference between the two - perhaps they just consolidated the label website with the mail order website, though I would think that would be rather weird. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I e-mailed Record Heaven not long ago asking about the supposed release of DarXtar's 'Tombola' on their label (which wasn't mentioned on their website or anywhere else from what I could tell), and got no answer. What the hell is the deal with that album anyway?!?! It's like it was recorded in the pages of a Douglas Adams book or something. Certainly there's some non-zero probability that it actually exists, isn't there? On that note, did Juba ever release 'Atomic Dogs Don't Bark'? Am I even here right now? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Nov 8 01:18:28 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:18:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: Jerry G. queried... >> > With all this talk about Tortoise and Mogwai, I was wondering if >> >anyone has heard of any of these bands? >> > >> >Burnt Noodle >> >> Northern California band...long-winded psychedelic jams. The last one on >> the CD I have (their only one?) is 25 minutes long or so IIRC. They >> appeared on my latest 2CD compilation. > > The CD I saw was called The Noodle And The Damage Done. That's it. >One song 'Noodle In A Nutshell' was 22 minutes long. That's it. >What 2CD compilation? Um...I guess you didn't see my free offer? :) The tracklisting is below. I'm out of spare copies and am not really inspired to burn up another set, since I have other things to work on at the moment, like my degree for instance. :) And anyway, your package is already set to go in the mail tomorrow (will you be around to get it?). Plus, some of those who already have copies said they might be willing to burn more for others, so if there's a big cry for them now, I could be urged to put people in contact with each other. The graphic files for the inserts are still up at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files under space01a.gif and space01b.gif (I think). >I'll check out Aural Innovations and see what I can find out about the others. Thanks for your support. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I only have one Igra disc left at the moment. Extremely late last call for that one. (Scott - yours will be in the mail tomorrow too.) P.P.S. For those that already have the compilation below (if somebody didn't get one that was promised one, let me know!), again I would be interested to hear your impressions. Several have already responded with nice writeups, and even 1-10 rankings. If I get sufficient responses, I'll put together a 'group synopsis' and let you know who we all think have the widest appeal to boc-l subscribers. Think of it as Oprah's Book Club in space. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ America's Best Space Rock Disc One: Space Jam No. Artist (State) - Title (Album) Yr Time 1. ST 37 (TX) - Ghosts of Tempera Nymphs (The Invisible College) 91 4:05 2. Walk on Water* (MI) - The Vortex Inside (Solvent Based Melodies)98 3:47 3. Maximum Coherence During Flying (TX) - Polestoker (MCDF) 99 3:25 4. Sky Cries Mary (WA) - Deep Sunless Sea (This Timeless Turning) 94 6:50 5. F/i (WI) - Just to Get Us Off (Space Mantra) 88 10:04 6. DunLavy (TX) - Kirk, In Time (Thaumaticron 2) 97 5:55 7. Space Cadet Elroy (OH) - Volt Age (Metaphorical Fire) 00 4:48 8. The Phoebe Cates (OH) - ...and Further Down this Hole (Turn on the Phantom) 99 8:31 9. Abunai! (MA) - Rolling of the Stones (Round Wound) 00 6:21 10.Burnt Noodle (CA) - We've Reached the Ocean (The Noodle and the Damage Done) 98 4:00 11.Einstein's Secret Orchestra (OH) - Trans Lunar Injection** (Witch Disco) 99 5:52 12.Salamander (MN) - Old Mr. Jones (Red Mantra) 98 9:54 * Walk on Water now goes by the name Novadriver ** Different tune than that by ST 37 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Disc Two: Space Exploration No. Artist (State) - Title (Album) Yr Time 1. 7% Solution (TX) - Revolve (All About Satellites and Spaceships)96 7:07 2. Salaryman (IL) - My Hands are Always in Water (Karoshi) 99 4:04 3. Quarkspace (OH) - Psionic Rift (Spacefolds 5) 99 3:07 4. Salom? (IL) - Tarantula (a.m.) 00 2:45 5. The Asteroid #4 (PA) - Kate and the King (Introducing...) 98 9:14 6. The Helio Sequence (OR) - Transistor Radio (ComPlex) 00 5:23 7. Liquid Sound Company (TX) - A Splash of Color (Exploring the Psychedelic) 96 4:43 8. Sabalon Glitz (IL) - The Lonesome Death of Elijah P. Woods (Ufonic) 94 6:38 9. Tristeza (CA) - Auroura Borealis (Dream Signals in Full Circles)00 4:40 10.Rubycon (OK) - Dusting Christ (Rubycon) 00 5:20 11.The Cosmic Joke (NY) - Sloth Waste (The Cosmic Joke) 99 3:55 12.Mazinga Phaser (TX) - Scattered Smothered and Covered (Dissatisfied Customers of Hallucination) 00 5:39 13.Nebula Trip (CT) - Causes of Riots (Birth) 99 5:20 14.Vas Deferens Organization (LA) - Reverie (Sweat Your Cheeses, but Not in My Salad) 96 3:45 15.Spirits Burning* (CA) - Arcturus (New Worlds by Design) 99 2:32 * with Tommy & Len of Farflung From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Nov 8 01:52:51 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:52:51 -0700 Subject: Was it you? In-Reply-To: <200111071821.NAA04520@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I don't think it was me....My hair isn't curly, but normally goes pretty whacked out, but not curly. And I wouldn't have turned anything down (unless he seemed questionable...)? And: if you cannot recall the other guy, it definitely wasn't Mike-----you would have a lasting impression of that scary-looking f***er. On the other hand, this does seem vaguely familiar...or is it just the placebo effect kicking in? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:21 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Was it you? > > > Calling US readers: > > Cast your minds back to October 2000, Brixton Academy, Hawkestra. As I > stood in the (now legendary) queue, there were 2 gents behind me who had > come over from the US. They were approached by a young black guy who I > think was hoping to interest them in some of his fine > pharmaceutical wares. > They declined (although I won't publicise the reason they gave!) but got > into conversation with him about that night's event. He was mightily > impressed (as was I, eavesdropping in front) that they had come > all the way > from the US for the night's festivities. > > "So what sort of music is it then?" he asked > > "SPACE ROCK!" > > "So what's that then?" > > Answer was something along the lines of- the original version of all that > trance music you youngsters have nowadays. He seemed quite interested by > that. > > Just over a year later, it belatedly occurs to me that the two gents in > question may well be on this list. One has curly hair, mid to > late 30s, the > other I cannot recall now... but the question goes out- > > was it you? From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 8 04:42:43 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:42:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: I'll dig out the magazine and scan the articles for you. C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:36 AM Subject: Re: OFF: new groups > From: "Chris Allen" > > > From that list I've only heard of Yat-Kha. They're from Mongolia (or > > thereabouts) and from memory they are updated folk musicians, featuring > some > > folk instruments, some modern ones and throat singing. > > The Wire (www.thewire.co.uk) did an article and an album review earlier > this > > year. > > I went to that site, but couldn't find the article or review online :( > > Jerry > From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Nov 8 04:40:51 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:40:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Social Convenor Update Message-ID: Getting there http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 8 05:51:12 2001 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:51:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium Message-ID: No, I never released it, but I will in the near future. Watch this space! Juba On >that note, did Juba ever release 'Atomic Dogs Don't Bark'? Am I even here >right now? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Thu Nov 8 06:50:05 2001 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (Dave Hess) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:50:05 EST Subject: Was it you? Message-ID: Date:? ? Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:21:08 -0500 From:? ? Nick Medford Subject: HW: Was it you? Calling US readers: Cast your minds back to October 2000, Brixton Academy, Hawkestra. As I stood in the (now legendary) queue, there were 2 gents behind me who had come over from the US. They were approached by a young black guy who I think was hoping to interest them in some of his fine pharmaceutical wares. They declined (although I won't publicise the reason they gave!) but got into conversation with him about that night's event. He was mightily impressed (as was I, eavesdropping in front) that they had come all the way from the US for the night's festivities. "So what sort of music is it then?" he asked "SPACE ROCK!" "So what's that then?" Answer was something along the lines of- the original version of all that trance music you youngsters have nowadays. He seemed quite interested by that. Just over a year later, it belatedly occurs to me that the two gents in question may well be on this list. One has curly hair, mid to late 30s, the other I cannot recall now... but the question goes out- was it you? Was one of them 6'6" tall? C-Yaaaaaaaaaa Dave I I /\\ /I /\ /--l--I\ I I---\ I-- I----\ I------I /----\\ /\ / I/ \ /\ / I I \ I I I I- I I I I/ \\/ \/ I \ \/ \/ --I--I \I I__/ I_ I__/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 8 08:12:33 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:12:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the Robert Calvert _Test-tube Conceived_ abum? I have it on CD and there's no information on the sleeve besides the tracklisting. When was it released, who wrote what bits, who plays on it, was there more to it (any companion works or other related texts), are there any reviews online? I ask too many questions. Chris. From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Nov 8 08:25:34 2001 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (Dave Bottomley) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:25:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Hi Chris >Does anyone know anything about the Robert Calvert _Test-tube Conceived_ >abum? >I have it on CD and there's no information on the sleeve besides the >tracklisting. >When was it released, who wrote what bits, who plays on it, was there more >to it (any companion works or other related texts), are there any reviews >online? 1) 1986 2) All comps credited to RC 3) Line up as follows: Martin Holdcroft - Guitars, keys, tape cut-ups & cover photo Dave Anderson - Bass (album recorded at DA's studio) Brian Snelling - Additional keys Julie Waring - Backing vox RC - Voice, synths, programs & percussion (also credited as producer) 4) Other than lyrics printed on the sleeve, there's no other info. that I know of. Hope this helps Dave From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 8 08:58:18 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:58:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Fantastic, thank a lot. I've always wondered about the date (I had the impression it was mid/late-70's, but some of the lyrics give that the lie), and I'm facinated by the cut-ups, I'd love to know where they're from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bottomley" > 1) 1986 > 2) All comps credited to RC > 3) Line up as follows: > > Martin Holdcroft - Guitars, keys, tape cut-ups & cover photo > Dave Anderson - Bass (album recorded at DA's studio) > Brian Snelling - Additional keys > Julie Waring - Backing vox > RC - Voice, synths, programs & percussion (also credited as producer) > > 4) Other than lyrics printed on the sleeve, there's no other info. that I > know of. > > Hope this helps > > Dave > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 8 09:35:13 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:35:13 GMT Subject: Manchester to Liverpool(ish) travel Message-ID: I gotta get back from the Manchester gig on Saturday to West Kirkby on the Wirral (or within taxi range at least from somewhere around Liverpool/Chester). Does anyone who knows public transport around that area have any suggestions? Any offers of private transport gratefully accepted... FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Thu Nov 8 12:06:27 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:06:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: for Amorphis fans Message-ID: Hi! >This question is addressed especially for those who live in Finland. I've >heard that Esa Holopainen from Amorphis is much into space rock and even has >4 some other bands, with at least one band in the style of Ozric Tentacles >(I've read about in some interview). Do you know any of his other bands? Really?! Yeah, I know that he like space/psych music, but other band, I don?t know. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 8 13:30:58 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:30:58 -0000 Subject: Been Offline a Few Months - Message-ID: The EMI Remasters seem to be in the Virgin Multibuy sale(5 for 30quid) Rich W From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 8 13:47:20 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:47:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium Message-ID: No, they have signed a worldwide deal with a major USA label, possibly Atlantic but no-one will say just yet. The final album for Snapper, the 'Stars Die' double with a CD 'best of' and a CD of previously unreleased tracks will be out in February. The proposed live album on Delerium has been shelved. Andy G.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium > Anyone know if Porcupine Tree is still with Delerium Records? > > Subsidiary question: whatever happened to Delerium's website? > www.delerium.co.uk redirects me to the Freak Emporium??? > > > > Alex. > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 8 15:04:28 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:04:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:12:33 -0000, Chris Allen wrote: >Does anyone know anything about the Robert Calvert _Test-tube Conceived_ >abum? >When was it released, who wrote what bits, who plays on it, was there more >to it (any companion works or other related texts), are there any reviews >online? Most of the info has already been covered, but it's worth noting that it was the last album that Robert released during his lifetime ('Live at QE Hall' and 'Blueprints from the Cellar' were posthumous). Some of the songs are re-workings from his 'Kid From Silicon Gulch' musical / stage show (which I just got to hear - thanks Mike H). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 8 15:27:06 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 20:27:06 -0000 Subject: T Shirts Message-ID: Ok Guys What are the T Shirts like. Good Designs? Any Tie Dye? or just black screenies. Any thoughts on the live Astoria Album? Rich W From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 8 16:42:17 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:42:17 -0000 Subject: Manchester to Liverpool(ish) travel Message-ID: > I gotta get back from the Manchester gig on Saturday to West Kirkby on > the Wirral (or within taxi range at least from somewhere around > Liverpool/Chester). Does anyone who knows public transport around that > area have any suggestions? Any offers of private transport gratefully > accepted... > > FoFP > "I don't take much time convincin' that maybe I'm from the Wirral penninsula..." Maybe Half Man Half Biscuit could give you a lift? Cheers, Rich. ps. Sadly my Aunt has just moved away from West Kirby - otherwise I'd give her a ring. :-( From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 8 16:53:10 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 21:53:10 -0000 Subject: Manchester to Liverpool(ish) travel Message-ID: Lol. I've just been looking there is a train to Liverpool supposedly at 1:30AM (According to trainline this is the only train after 11:30) Don't know about buses. Rich W From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Nov 8 17:34:47 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:34:47 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Dave Brocks Memos And Demos Message-ID: ok: set list for leeds lighthouse levitation spiral galaxy moonglum brainbox pollution wind of change angels of death (outro'd by dave as 'angels of life') the watcher motorway city hurry on sundown hassahn i sabbha (including space is their... break) encore: assault & battery golden void ejection my comments: dave's vocals definitely the strongest tonight - ali's voice certainly sounds shot!! Huw was fine on the rockier numbers but struggled during his quieter, acoustic numbers in the opening set. spiral galaxy was an excellent surprise for me. moonglum was a highlight - awesome version of one of the best 80's songs. angels of death was very heavy good interplay between guitar and violin but i thought it lacked Jez Hugget from the Yule Ritual version the watcher - sounded like it had been imported from ali's ace of spades set (ie more like the motorhead version with a few space rock trimmings) hurry on sundown - great to hear it live: it started by reminding me of the magic mushroom band cover version but then got heavier quickly. well impressed by simon house - good mix of violin and keyboards dave was well enjoying himself huw was spot on - was well impressed with his opening solo spot and I have never heard him so at ease with the audience ali was holding it all together in the middle - no keyboards or synth richard was giving it everything he could, on occassions it sounded like he was going to drum the life out of his kit. I just thought that there was something else missing. In some ways it was TOO together. It needed something like Keith's synths, Jez's sax or a ron tree to do something totally unpredictable. must also mention jeni's dancing as I promised her i would and she was too excellent to ignore. well worth the trip over from liverpool. Got memos & demos while i was there and I gotta say its well worth getting. the numbers that have already been released elsewhere are different enough. memos & demos tracklist clouded vision state of mind (instr) state of mind (vocal) tune-ing in kauai morpheus find the right way didn't have a problem luna love in space surreal sex dreams just drifting sweet obsession why is a raven like a writing desk space riders and sex dreams distant islands see ya soon mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Tanner To: Hawkwind at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] Re: Dave Brocks Memos And Demos Can we have a setlist? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Community email addresses: Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 8 22:08:51 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 03:08:51 +0000 Subject: HW: was it you? Message-ID: Dave Hess asked if one of the mystery duo was 6 ft 6- I really can't remember, it's over a year ago now after all- I can remember one guy quite distinctly but can't recall the other at all. If I *was* in front of you, you might remember my mate- a tall thin Chinese guy, fairly conspicuous in a HW crowd. Maybe this is destined to remain a mystery... had I been on this list at that time I would have said hello, but I wasn't and I didn't. So it goes. -- Nick Medford From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 8 22:57:48 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:57:48 -0500 Subject: ICU: INNER CITY UNIT Website update In-Reply-To: <7bkjuts8g7akdurk5pccbn5bi7avt7g4bq@4ax.com>; from Steve@DOREMI.CO.UK on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:27:48AM +0000 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 12:27:48AM +0000, Steve Pond wrote: > The burst of ICU activity has spurred me on to update the ICU website. > > There are some fabulous new pictures of the band in 1980 waiting around > outside the rehearsal room, it looks more like 1930.. Including a shot of Nik as a punker, and another where he looks surprisingly like Tom Baker's incarnation of The Doctor. Too funny! > http://www.innercityunit.com -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Thu Nov 8 23:31:43 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 23:31:43 -0500 Subject: HW Tshirts Message-ID: Gee I'd love to get a size L Hawkwind T-shirt from the current tour if anyone would be so kind as to get me one! John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 9 03:00:23 2001 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 01:00:23 -0700 Subject: HW Tshirts Message-ID: I have to admit, I'd like one too....Let me know a price & if one can be had! They won't get near here anytime soon:(:( Pam John Majka wrote: > Gee I'd love to get a size L Hawkwind T-shirt from the current tour if > anyone would be so kind as to get me one! > John Majka > jmajka2 at home.com -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace can be found here.... http://www.krautrocknet.com/autobahn/mp3autobahn3.htm Grakkl (FAA) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 9 05:37:45 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:37:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Amazing! I've been on this list for 4 years and I've never heard any of this! Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the Cellar, Kid from Silicon Gulch? Have they been deleted? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" > Most of the info has already been covered, but it's worth noting that it > was the last album that Robert released during his lifetime ('Live at QE > Hall' and 'Blueprints from the Cellar' were posthumous). Some of the songs > are re-workings from his 'Kid From Silicon Gulch' musical / stage show > (which I just got to hear - thanks Mike H). > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 9 06:58:59 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:58:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Chris Allen writes >Amazing! I've been on this list for 4 years and I've never heard any of >this! >Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the Cellar, >Kid from Silicon Gulch? Basic details of all official releases- http://www.adawson.clara.net/solo/solo.html Lots of details about everything to do with Mr Calvert- http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/welcome.htm >Have they been deleted? Yes and no. Blueprints has been deleted, QE Hall hasn't, and Silicon Gulch hasn't been deleted as such - it's never been released in the first place. -- David Blair From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 9 07:27:53 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:27:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011009204030.03c93e80@mail.hypernova.net>; from dhuggins@HYPERNOVA.NET on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:05:55PM -0700 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 09:05:55PM -0700, dhuggins typed out: > I am rather fond of many of the ex-hawks for various reasons. But pure and > simple, Dave has stuck to it through all the years of good and bad. Being > the one to carry the weight of responsibility is a FAR harder task than > coming and going as you please (granted that this occasionally entailed > chaos reigning supreme). In my book Meister Brock and the current lineup > has earned the right to do what ever they damn well please with respect to > any Hawkwind name, being fully entitled to it. Dave has the right to the name, certainly, which anyone who's raising moralities need to remember... > I might remind all that three other members of the current lineup > (chadwick, davey, and langton) have more time in the band than any ex-Hawk > with the exception of harvey bainbridge. (mr. house, another current > member, is definitely in the running, but i have a hard time trying to > figure out what his precise status has been since 89 on a year-by-year basis.) > > Granted that i don't have all my hw family tree charts out, so i will > surely be corrected if wrong ;) Well, I think you have the top four all right :-) I make it something quite like this. including guests as well as members because I can't be bothered trying to draw a line: 1. Dave Brock, 31 years or so 2. Alan Davey, 15 years 3. Richard Chadwick, 12 years Joint 4th Huw Lloyd Langton and Harvey Bainbridge with about 11 years each, Huw is obviously rapidly going to force Harvey into 5th here 6th Nik Turner, 10 years or thereabouts 7th Simon King, 8 years 8th Simon House, 7 years and climbing 9th Ron Tree, 6 years and a bit (surprised he's so high, but then, so were the band often... ) 10th Robert Calvert, a little under 6 years Joint 11th Ian `Lemmy' Kilmister & Martin Griffin, about 5 years each Joint 13th Richard `Dik Mik' Davies & Del Dettmar, about 4 years each Joint 15th Terry Ollis, Bridget Wishart, Crum, Captain Rizz, all about 2 years 19th Michael Moorcock, close to two years Joint 20th Paul Rudolph & Tim Blake, a bit over a year Joint 22nd John Harrison, Dave Anderson, Alan Powell, Adrian Shaw, Steve Swindells, Ginger Baker, Clive Deamer with about a year each Joint 29th Mick Slattery, Paul Hayles, Keith Hale, Frederick `Ded Fred' Reeves, Keith Kniveton all with something under a year (observe that Keith K. will shortly be jumping a fair few places) Joint 34th Thomas Crimble, Andy Anderson, Mick Kirton, Steve Bemand, Steve Hayes, Rick Martinez, Mick Clark, Jonathan `Mr Dibs' Derbyshire-Hulme, Dave Charles, all with a few months (cumulatively) only 43rd Paul Cobbold, part of one album's sessions 44th Samantha Fox, one single's sessions 45th Jeremy Huggett, five or six gigs 46th Viv Prince, a few gigs only 47th `Twink' (of Kharma Kannix etc.), three gigs Joint 48th John `Twink' Alder ("I was in Hawkwind you know... ") & Al Matthews, 2 gigs each Joint 50th Robert Heaton, Jenny Chapman, Rory Cargill, one gig each 54th and last, Arthur Brown with one song of one gig So there you have it. There are lots of other ways to calculate this but most of them (writing credits, number of albums, whatever) will show that Dave is the man, though writing credits will drop Nik and Lemmy through the floor compared to some, even Ron again. It's interesting how many legendary Hawk-figures (Alan Powell struck me) are so low compared to later upstarts who just weren't as busy or as prominent, having got in after it because of it being by then Dave's band and everyone else of lesser importance. Notice also how little is between the lower end: if Keith K. can play with Hawkwind another year he'll be at 15th if not higher. The aspect of HW as Dave's band has got to be a problem for Nik or any of the others who are prouder of being in Hawkwind than what they've done afterwards, and he's many times said he could put together a band with more people in it who've been in Hawkwind than actually are. That proves nothing of course, but I think what this does show is that he'd have a hard time putting together a band who've spent more _time_ being Hawkwind than the current Hawkwind have. Some musings, anyway, yours, Jon (whose figures are only vague and once you get down to a year/few months, probably horribly unjust to drummers and so on) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 9 08:10:18 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:10:18 +0800 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: Jon wrote: > 1. Dave Brock, 31 years or so > 2. Alan Davey, 15 years > 3. Richard Chadwick, 12 years > Joint 4th Huw Lloyd Langton and Harvey Bainbridge with about 11 years > each, Huw is obviously rapidly going to force Harvey into 5th here > 6th Nik Turner, 10 years or thereabouts > 7th Simon King, 8 years > 8th Simon House, 7 years and climbing Interesting stuff this. Isn't it a wonder they are pleasing crowds this tour? I would have thought that RC had been with HW longer than AD. Amazing what stats can do. Bill From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 9 08:06:26 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:06:26 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow Message-ID: Anyone got a URL or 'phone number for the Walthamstow Assembly Halls? --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Fri Nov 9 08:26:30 2001 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:26:30 +0100 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow Message-ID: Hi there! I might need the phone# as well. And is it near the tube station? Enjoy the weekend. Hanwkswede ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Perry" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow > Anyone got a URL or 'phone number for the Walthamstow Assembly Halls? > > --- > Kevin Perry > The Mountain Grill > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 08:33:45 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:33:45 +0000 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow Message-ID: Hawkswede wrote: > Hi there! > > I might need the phone# as well. 020 8521 7111 > And is it near the tube station? It'll probably be easier to take the Victoria Line tube to Blackhorse Road then get the bus down Forrest Road. cheers, Keef From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 08:32:01 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:32:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: > 54th and last, Arthur Brown with one song of one gig If you include Brown, then Dumpy would be a place above him with a few appareances at various gigs on one song! Si From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 9 09:42:06 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:42:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Belfast Message-ID: Hmmm. I've seen HW once, here in Belfast, the last time they played in N.Ireland. I can't remember the year and have no idea what LP they were touring, if any. Does anyone know of a site featuring images from official gig t-shirts so I can pinpoint the tour? This would give me the info I need to actually ask the question I wanna ask.....who was in the three-piece (as far as I could see) lineup and what was the tracklisting. Long shot, but hey.... Chris. From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Fri Nov 9 09:39:53 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:39:53 -0600 Subject: HW Tshirts Message-ID: Me too. Unfortunately the one person I asked didn't respond. Perhaps more grovelling? :-) >>> John Majka 11/08/01 10:31PM >>> Gee I'd love to get a size L Hawkwind T-shirt from the current tour if anyone would be so kind as to get me one! John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Nov 9 06:12:14 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:12:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: I recently got a `live at q.e.hall' through e-bay,it shows up every once in a while. tim Chris Allen wrote: > > Amazing! I've been on this list for 4 years and I've never heard any of > this! > Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the Cellar, > Kid from Silicon Gulch? > Have they been deleted? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Pearson" > > > Most of the info has already been covered, but it's worth noting that it > > was the last album that Robert released during his lifetime ('Live at QE > > Hall' and 'Blueprints from the Cellar' were posthumous). Some of the > songs > > are re-workings from his 'Kid From Silicon Gulch' musical / stage show > > (which I just got to hear - thanks Mike H). > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com > > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Nov 9 10:23:05 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:23:05 EST Subject: HW: Belfast Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2001 9:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << who was in the three-piece >> Brock, Davey, Chadwick Bill From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Nov 9 10:51:32 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:51:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Belfast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 14:42 09.11.2001 +0000, you wrote: >I've seen HW once, here in Belfast, the last time they played in N.Ireland. >I can't remember the year and have no idea what LP they were touring, if >any. > >Does anyone know of a site featuring images from official gig t-shirts so I >can pinpoint the tour? This would give me the info I need to actually ask >the question I wanna ask.....who was in the three-piece (as far as I could >see) lineup and what was the tracklisting. Belfast, 10.04.1994 13.04.1994, MANCHESTER, ROCKWORLD, 90/9 intro / master of the universe / jam / master of the universe / sputnik stan / green finned demon / you shouldn't do that / gremlin / golden void / right stuff / wastelands / iron dream / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / wave upon wave / quark strangeness and charm / lsd / welcome / camera that could lie / brainstorm cheers Bernhard From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 9 12:03:24 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:03:24 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead In-Reply-To: <200111061426.JAA25275@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: 1) UFO 1- YAY! (and all the comp LP's YAY!) 2) UF0 2- 2 tracks are 2 long..(on this one)...(Star Storm, Flying)...of the 2, good parts, and BAD parts- should not have been released like this (IMHO) 3) THE Decca Years CD- Oh Goody! I found it, includes many single mixes , has "Galactic Love, etc.."...BUT!!!! the 2 tracks with Schenker ARE CHRYSALIS singles and do not fit nor do they belong...off with their heads....(IMHO) (of course) When I was at the store I saw a tribute CD to UFO that included members of Motorhead, and or Motorhead itself.....anyone know about this??? good?? (Bob M?) I saw a Japaneese green vinyl of "High Level Cut" w/Schenker.....I want that LP cover......but it was $75.00...........whats it's value? (Stuart?) m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 9 12:37:44 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:37:44 -0600 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock In-Reply-To: <00e101c16922$f2accce0$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: >> 54th and last, Arthur Brown with one song of one gig > >If you include Brown, then Dumpy would be a place above him with a few >appareances at various gigs on one song! > >Si Good one, and maybe get extra mileage for having the song "Hawkwind" WITH Dave Brock on it, and having Alan Davey on bass on the live LP and having pictures of Alan on the cover and having a cool Hawkwind "doodle" on the other LP with the Hawkwind song,,,,,and for being great music......rock, whathaveyou... m the song "Hawkwind" is not to be missed.... From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 9 12:29:31 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:29:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: in the uk Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm in the UK now. nottingham rocked hard. really wonderful. who needs to sleep? or eat? driving here sucks. i'm staying with merrick and julie french tonight and tomorrow, then off to liverpool. I haven't had a chance to check the latest pub list. could someone find me at manchester or liverpool and give me an updated list?# (or Eric....could you bring the current list?) Thanks, Arin (will try to check email tomorrow, but won't be on save for that.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 9 13:31:16 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:31:16 EST Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/2001 10:58:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > When I was at the store I saw a tribute CD to UFO that included members of > Motorhead, and or Motorhead itself.....anyone know about this??? good?? > (Bob M?) > sorry, i know nothing about it.... bobm From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 9 13:39:17 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:39:17 -0000 Subject: OFF: in the uk Message-ID: Hi.. Can someone post an uptodate pregig publist, specially glasgow,liverpool,manchester,newcastle. Won't be able to check my mail after 7:30am tomorrow...as I'll be a travellin. Cheers Rich W From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 9 13:35:57 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: >NOTE: I'm getting kinda bored of this...seriously: anybody got any ideas, >suggestions, requests...anything?? does anybody care??? (hey, no puns >please!) Does anyone out there on CyberEarth actually listen? I would, but then I don't have a capable computer with a decent modem, so it's pointless to try. And this one at work lacks a sound card, so... >but these days I think I about callin' it a day (though considering how >numerically-anal I am, I'll probably wait till March just so I can look back >and call it "3 years"). Well, it is comforting to know that somewhere out in the world, this stuff is being played, even if only a few are listening. And I like reading your playlists, even if it's just to see how much of it I already have. This one was less than normal, although that Zappa show you did recently would be an all-time low, given that I have one Zappa CD (the first one?) and don't like it at all. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. My in-box just went wacko yesterday and all my messages got turned upside down in the ToC file - I can't find any goddamn thing anymore! This message was up at the top in the stuff from two years' ago. I apologize to anyone who I fail to respond to about something that I can no longer find. >11/3 > >1.Cul de Sac-- "China Gate/Sakhalin" (China Gate; Thirsty Ear) >2.Mushroom-- "Antonioni's Groove" (Iamaphotographer; Plain) >3.Gong-- "Other Side of the Sky" (Angels Egg; Decal/Charly) >4.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Moonlight on Vermont" (Trout Mask Replica; WB) >5.Frank Zappa-- "For Calvin " (Grand Wazoo; >Rykodisc) > >6.Neu!-- "Hallo Gallo" (ST'd, Astralwerks) >7.Can-- "Mother Upduff" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) >8.Faust-- "Mamie is Blue" (So Far; Collector's Choice...and that new box set) What's on the CD in the box set that isn't available elsewhere (?)? I mean, is it any good? Some live BBC thing or something IIRC. From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Nov 9 14:18:28 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:18:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: in the uk Message-ID: Hi Arin! Welcome to the UK. Of course driving here sucks...be glad you didn't rent that 20-seat minibus... And isn't the weather great? And the food? And the hotels? Still envious though... :-) Enjoy! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:29:31 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'm in the UK now. nottingham rocked hard. really wonderful. >who needs to sleep? or eat? > >driving here sucks. > From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Fri Nov 9 14:38:26 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:38:26 -0700 Subject: OFF: America's best space rock Message-ID: Recently, Keith Henderson compiled a sampler of American space rock. (Thank you Keith!) I now am reporting back as was the homework assignment. The groups that interested me enough to hear more of are: Walk on Water (psychedelic pop) Sky Cries Mary (hint of Eastern flavor) F/i (HW-ish, munching/crunching with synth swirls) The Phoebe Cates (floating/drifting on cosmic currents) Abunai! (spacey and floating) The Asteroid #4 Sabalon Glitz Tristeza (Neu!-like) Mazinga Phaser (touch of surf) Mark L From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 9 14:52:34 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:52:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Nic Potter In-Reply-To: <1C9656C834E8D311A4C9AA0004002A0506E9B303@comet.bre.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Wright, Mike wrote: > And on 2 of his solo LPs Huw played. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dave hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > > Subject: Re: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) > > > > He wasn't but he was at Hawkon. He did play with Simon K and > > Huw on Steve > > Swindells lp. He also toured with Van Der Graaf in a combined > > Hawkwind/Van > > Der Graaf tour. > > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John McIntyre > > > > >dave hall wrote: > > > > > >When was Nic Potter with Hawkwind? Two LPs? What/when was the one that wasn't _Blue Zone_? Also, unless I'm getting confused, he did some work with Alan Davey before Alan joined HW, the stuff that's now come out as _An Alien Heart_. Or was that someone else? Yours, Jon ObCD: Deep Purple - _Deep Purple_ -- Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 9 14:45:18 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:45:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: America's best space rock Message-ID: >Recently, Keith Henderson compiled a sampler of American space rock. (Thank >you Keith!) I now am reporting back as was the homework assignment. > >The groups that interested me enough to hear more of are: > >Walk on Water (psychedelic pop) >Sky Cries Mary (hint of Eastern flavor) >F/i (HW-ish, munching/crunching with synth swirls) >The Phoebe Cates (floating/drifting on cosmic currents) A brief note...The Phoebe Cates may now be defunct...the core members though have since formed the Volta Sound (?), and who I believe have just opened (or will very shortly) for Sonic Boom's Spectrum at the Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland, the recent site of Strange Daze 2001. http://www.davenportrecords.com will find you more info about Volta Sound (whom I've not heard) and certainly about Phoebe Cates (the band, not the actress-wife of Kevin Kline). Grakkl (FAA) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 9 16:26:48 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:26:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Nic Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <<"Two LPs? What/when was the one that wasn't _Blue Zone_?">>Jon J Hi Jon, apparently it's a bunch of them- if this is wrong please correct- Mountain Music, Sketches In Sound, Dreams In View (a comp, I think), The Blue Zone, The Blue Zone Party-live at the dome, and The Long Hello Volume 2.... I can imagine he plays on just the odd track here and there- any expanding on the above appreciated..... m c From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 9 15:47:28 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:47:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:58:59 +0000, David Blair wrote: >In article , Chris Allen > writes >>Amazing! I've been on this list for 4 years and I've never heard any of >>this! >>Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the >>Cellar, Kid from Silicon Gulch? > >Yes and no. Blueprints has been deleted, QE Hall hasn't, and Silicon >Gulch hasn't been deleted as such - it's never been released in the >first place. The recording of Silicon Gulch is an audience tape of the entire stage show (about 100 minutes, approximately half songs half dialogue) that recently went around in a CD-R tree. It was never an actual release (was there ever a recording of the 'Hype' stage show? Did that actually ever happen?). Oh, and Chris (Linux Hawklord) correctly pointed out that the last recording that Robert Calvert appeared on during his lifetime was Amon D??l's 'Die Losung', although his last solo album was still 'Test Tube Conceived'. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 9 15:59:22 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:59:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Domain Names - Short Sharp Shock Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:27:53 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Well, I think you have the top four all right :-) I make it >something quite like this. including guests as well as members because I >can't be bothered trying to draw a line: > >1. Dave Brock, 31 years or so [ ... fascinating list snipped ... ] > So there you have it. There are lots of other ways to calculate >this but most of them (writing credits, number of albums, whatever) will You caught my post from a few weeks back which listed bandmembers by number of gigs? (Except for Dave, Nik, Simons H & K, Harvey, Huw, Alan & Richard 'cause I can't count that high! Interesting that everyone in that group is in the current lineup except Simon K [retired], Nik [estranged] & Harvey[?]) >show that Dave is the man, though writing credits will drop Nik and Lemmy >through the floor compared to some, even Ron again. It's interesting how >many legendary Hawk-figures (Alan Powell struck me) are so low compared to >later upstarts who just weren't as busy or as prominent, having got in >after it because of it being by then Dave's band and everyone else of >lesser importance. Counting by number of gigs was really interesting, since it skews "amount of involvement" towards earlier members - Thom Crimble & Dave Anderson, for instance, played nearly as many gigs in a year (or less) as Ron did in nearly five years with the band. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 17:18:10 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:18:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: Great gig last night - some thoughts.......the Sanctuary was a good size venue, sound was great I thought. The support Zion Train were good (high praise coming from someone who doesn't like reggae music) but kept thinking "God, when are they going to finish?!". 10:30pm came and went and still they carried on. HW weren't on stage til 11pm! Luckily met a friend there who gave us a lift since we missed the last train, but one of our friends had to leave after HW's first number. That aside, an excellent gig ....set same as Leeds but without AAB/GV. HW on top form as folks have mentioned, all enjoying themselves. Dave very chatty and jovial. Agree with John Majka - Dave's voice (& playing) is great......Simon H just superb - the violin searing through many jams, swooping into the Hassan intro....Brainbox pollution & Levitation amazing jamming. Each number revitalised with new directions.... Agree with previous mails about Huw, he was on top form esp. in conjunction w Simon H.....Hawkestra must have been an off day. 'Watcher' was very pumped-up with driving bassline a la "Let there Be More Light" - also an extra verse? "Where we come from noone smiles, ....???? inches ....??? miles"? Or is this an already well-known bit of hawklore? Agree on giving Hassan a rest (also Ejection)......would love to hear Right Stuff (as always! Dave singing), PXR5, Uncle Sam, Paradox, Fable of Failed Race, Lord of Light (yeah OK ANY Space Ritual stuff). What happened to the dancers? No room I guess. R From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 9 17:34:58 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:34:58 -0500 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow In-Reply-To: <3BEBDB39.B3855E8F@cinesite.co.uk>; from keithb@CINESITE.CO.UK on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +0000 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:33:45PM +0000, Keith Barton wrote: > Hawkswede wrote: > > I might need the [Walthamstow] phone# as well. > > 020 8521 7111 Is that the venue itself? They answer "Corporate Sales" or some such; I've been assuming it's a ticket agency. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 9 17:42:51 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:42:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:18:10 -0000, Roger Elmer wrote: >'Watcher' was very pumped-up with driving bassline a la "Let there Be >More Light" - also an extra verse? "Where we come from noone smiles, >....???? inches ....??? miles"? Or is this an already well-known bit >of hawklore? "Where I come from, no one smiles Every inch exists in miles Still it's cool, relaxed and calm Sitting here on the funny farm" Is sung on all the Motorhead versions of the song I've heard (as well as the one cover I'm aware of). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 9 17:43:42 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:43:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: in the uk In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:29:31AM -0600 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:29:31AM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > I haven't had a chance to check the latest pub list. could > someone find me at manchester or liverpool and give me an updated list?# > > (or Eric....could you bring the current list?) Sure, but: - it's still pretty sparse for that last week - won't do you much good for the gigs before then On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 06:39:17PM -0000, Rich Warren wrote: > Can someone post an uptodate pregig publist, specially > glasgow,liverpool,manchester,newcastle. http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:18:28PM -0500, Moonglum . wrote: > Still envious though... :-) Me too ... even though I'll be joining the parade soon :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 11:28:58 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:28:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:37:45 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the Cellar, >Kid from Silicon Gulch? >Have they been deleted? Head over to www.innercityunit.com and download the live Calvert show there, it's from the same tour as the QEH album but is infinitely superior. :) -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 11:30:04 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:30:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:58:59 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Yes and no. Blueprints has been deleted, QE Hall hasn't, and Silicon >Gulch hasn't been deleted as such - it's never been released in the >first place. Also at www.innercityunit.com we have a full Calvert live show for download, it`s what the QEH album should have been like. :) -S. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Fri Nov 9 20:07:26 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:07:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Hi ya, Steve Pond wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:37:45 -0000, you sent through the ether: > > >Where can I get more info about Live at QE Hall, Blueprints from the Cellar, > >Kid from Silicon Gulch? > >Have they been deleted? > > Head over to www.innercityunit.com and download the live Calvert show there, > it's from the same tour as the QEH album but is infinitely superior. :) > > -S. Hmmm, it seems to me less good audio quality wise than QEH (but then its only cd quality not vynal quality) very similar set but has 'Radio Egypt' and even if you burn dao you need to cut a teeny bit from the ends of tracks to get them to join up;-) But as Steve says well worth getting, I burn these disks for people who don't want mp3. I've somehow aquired Bob reading some poetry and some early(?) demos of tracks I've not heard of before, like Isadora, fascism/futurism, a weird version of Steppenwolf and some truely excellent other tracks.... Anyone know when they were recorded? -- Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 20:28:53 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:28:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Space Penguin Message-ID: I *have* to share this with you all... http://www.bigidea.com/penguins/kids/k_spacedpenguin.htm Cheers, Rich. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 9 20:22:19 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:22:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: >I've somehow aquired Bob reading some poetry and some early(?) demos of >tracks I've not heard of before, like Isadora, fascism/futurism, a weird >version of Steppenwolf and some truely excellent other tracks.... >Anyone know when they were recorded? I'm sure someone will have better answers to these questions, but I can tell you that Voiceprint did officially release the 'Revenge' EP which is four of these old Calvert tunes from the mid-70s, I'll guess 1976-77. The Steppenwolf and Morpheus bit are from Adrian Wagner's 'Distances Between Us' LP from c. 1974 (?). So it's actually the original version of Steppenwolf. What you probably have is a dub of the boot CD that was made on that Lone Wolf label in Scandinavia four or five years ago. And if so, the audio quality of the four Revenge tracks is nowhere as good as on the official Voiceprint disc - I did a comparison once. Grakkl (FAA) From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Nov 9 20:47:10 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:47:10 -0700 Subject: Late night in Birmingham In-Reply-To: <008b01c1696c$6d296b60$0a5b883e@roger> Message-ID: YESSS! on PXR5, with Simon shining...... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Roger Elmer > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:18 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham > > Agree on giving Hassan a rest (also Ejection)......would love to > hear Right Stuff (as always! Dave singing), PXR5, Uncle Sam, > Paradox, Fable of Failed Race, Lord of Light (yeah OK ANY Space > Ritual stuff). > > What happened to the dancers? No room I guess. > > R > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 21:10:01 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:10:01 -0000 Subject: OFF: in the uk Message-ID: > > driving here sucks. > That's because every bastard on the road bar you and I are maniacs. :-) See you at Walthamstow. Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 9 21:12:26 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:12:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: > >'Watcher' was very pumped-up with driving bassline a la "Let there Be > >More Light" - also an extra verse? "Where we come from noone smiles, > >....???? inches ....??? miles"? Or is this an already well-known bit > >of hawklore? > > "Where I come from, no one smiles > Every inch exists in miles > Still it's cool, relaxed and calm > Sitting here on the funny farm" > > Is sung on all the Motorhead versions of the song I've heard (as well as > the one cover I'm aware of). Sounds good to me. Cheers, Rich. ** I'm the big cheese down at the tourist information ** From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 02:45:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw acoustic Message-ID: So Huw's been doing a few acoustic solo openers again? I don't suppose anyone audience-recorded this? Pretty please? I'd love to have a copy of this!! ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sat Nov 10 03:01:38 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:01:38 -0500 Subject: HW: new tour information Message-ID: Hi Dave Brock came onto the Mission Control IRC chat channel on 8th November, and had some interesting things to say about the tour. I've put an edited transcript onto Starfarer's Hawkwind Page - http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html Click on the first link "Your Captain Is Speaking" to read the transcript. The only thing I will say further about it is that those planning on going to the later gigs in the tour (Manchester onwards) will have reason to be pleased! There is a Guestbook on the Miscellaneous page, if anyone would like to sign it. Cheers Steve From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 10 05:12:33 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:12:33 EST Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: In a message dated 11/9/01 10:19:54 PM GMT Standard Time, roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > The support > Zion Train were good (high praise coming from someone who doesn't like > reggae music) but kept thinking > "God, when are they going to finish?!". 10:30pm came and went and still > they carried on. HW weren't on stage > til 11pm! Oh shitenzecraphousen!!! Has it been like this every night? I'm off to Manchester Uni tonight, travelling from Preston, and need to get back as working tomorrow. More fool me :-) Sreve. From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 05:28:57 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:28:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham In-Reply-To: <117.76b85e8.291e5791@aol.com> Message-ID: Nottingham was a 9:45 pm start (for HW) - they finished at 11:25. Alasdair On 10 Nov 01, at 5:12, Steve Johnson wrote: In a message dated 11/9/01 10:19:54 PM GMT Standard Time, roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > The support > Zion Train were good (high praise coming from someone who doesn't like > reggae music) but kept thinking > "God, when are they going to finish?!". 10:30pm came and went and still > they carried on. HW weren't on stage > til 11pm! Oh shitenzecraphousen!!! Has it been like this every night? I'm off to Manchester Uni tonight, travelling from Preston, and need to get back as working tomorrow. More fool me :-) Sreve. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 12:09:50 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 17:09:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: <3BEC7DCD.9E3428D7@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:07:26 +0000, you sent through the ether: >> Head over to www.innercityunit.com and download the live Calvert show there, >> it's from the same tour as the QEH album but is infinitely superior. :) >> >> -S. > >Hmmm, it seems to me less good audio quality wise than QEH (but then its >only cd quality not vynal quality) But thanks the effort Steve.. sheesh.. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 10 13:32:50 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:32:50 -0600 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: <7qnqutg3qdgekbnbc31niirs4mmufn90ap@4ax.com> Message-ID: in a message, ICU sent through the ether: <>> thanks very much for the new pics on the site Steve.....excellent stuff.... m From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Nov 10 13:22:51 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:22:51 -0500 Subject: Off: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock and Alchemical Radio shows Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcement (November 10, 2001): We've just uploaded new shows from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio and Alchemical Radio. Natural Highs & Strawberry Skies has returned to Supanova Radio and their first new show there is scheduled for November 16. You can hear that and other great Supanova Radio shows at: http://www.supanovaradio.co.uk. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (November 10, 2001: General Playlist) Man In Space - "Thanosphere" (from How To Potty Train A Supernova) Alien Planetscapes - "Engine Block Eggs" (from The Official Bootleg Volume 1) The Billy Syndrome - "Neurotic" (from Stupidest Show On Earth) Djam Karet - "No Man's Land" (from New Dark Age) Peter Frohmader - "Large-Screen" (from 2001) Friends Of Mescalito - "Nagual Music" (from Nagual Music For Tonal People) Fausto Balbo - "Il Terrapieno" (from Zero) Escapade - "Singe" (from Due To A Faulty Premonition) Ludwig Kramer (Agitation Free) - "Long Dark Road" (from Being Content) Sound - "The Screaming Zenith" (from The Screaming Zenith) Billy Syndrome - "Fish In The Rain" (from 2000 Pounds Of Joy) The Guild Navigators - "Sympathy Wounds" (from Phase 1: 1991-97) The Interstellar Cementmixers - "Faded Prophecy" (from Night Radiation) Alchemical Radio part 11 (November 10, 2001) Morpheus - "All Hail Discordia" Serene Mind - "The Sun Shines Brightest When It Burns" Saxon - "Court Of The Crimson King" David Neil Cline - "Good For Nothing" Blue Apple Boy - "Dead Man Walking" Nothing To Declare - "Rogue" Sonus Umbra - "Snapshots From Limbo" Angra - "Millennium Sun" Justin Goode - "Light Out Of Darkness" Heavy Liquid - "Crawlspace" Don Campau - "God Is A Monster" Thorn Eleven - "Simple Things" Sutrobath - "Sunday Morning" Paradox One - "Quarter's Mass Final Movement" Judge Trev - "Battle Of The Trees" Rick Ray - "Thoughts Of You" Alchemical Radio part 12 (November 10, 2001) Biohazard - "Uncivilisation" Standarte - "Kankweezler" The Ozric Tentacles - "Oakem" Honey Barbara - "Beddie Bye" Diafana Krina - Untitled Simon House - "The Forge Of Vulcan" Anoxie - "The Returning" Biohazard - "Letter Go" Lahrka Muza - "The Cry Of Sirens" High Tide - "Spindle" Ivan Fraser - "Song For Life" Michael Schenker Group - "Blinded By Technology" Robin O'Brien - "Summer" So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 14:24:49 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:24:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Nic Potter Message-ID: Hey, I know Nic Potter wasn't in Hawkwind! As a Van Der Graaf nut I interviewed Nic at Hawkon for Trev Hughes. Nic Potter nice guy too. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jon Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 09 November 2001 19:52 Subject: Re: HW: Nic Potter >On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Wright, Mike wrote: > >> And on 2 of his solo LPs Huw played. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dave hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] >> > Subject: Re: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) >> > >> > He wasn't but he was at Hawkon. He did play with Simon K and >> > Huw on Steve >> > Swindells lp. He also toured with Van Der Graaf in a combined >> > Hawkwind/Van >> > Der Graaf tour. >> > >> > Dave >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: John McIntyre >> > >> > >dave hall wrote: >> > > >> > >When was Nic Potter with Hawkwind? > > Two LPs? What/when was the one that wasn't _Blue Zone_? > > Also, unless I'm getting confused, he did some work with Alan >Davey before Alan joined HW, the stuff that's now come out as _An Alien >Heart_. Or was that someone else? Yours, > Jon > >ObCD: Deep Purple - _Deep Purple_ >-- > Jonathan Jarrett 01223 514989 > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------- > "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) > From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Sat Nov 10 16:43:00 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Del Dettmar Message-ID: Hi ya, I just got a copy of "Halfway Start" by Del. Does anyone have any clues about this? Like when it was done, did it come out on vynal? What are the three tracks called? Does it matter what they are called? Has listening to it permanently damaged my sanity? Its the only piece of music(?) I know of that seems to have a psycho active effect, and it works on dogs too! Put us all in a trance it did. Chris -- If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having to accomplish anything. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 17:24:45 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:24:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > whats the big freakin' deal? > deciding to dislike something before you've even experienced it is the height of closed-mindedness. and give the band a break; it only makes sense for the band to go after a younger demographic while capitalizing on a connection that has already earned them a gold record award. they need to expand or at least maintain a fan base to survive. we all want that....right? > bobm Eeeeuuuuuchhhhh! At what cost??? f rat From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 17:20:56 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:20:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Sanctuary Message-ID: Hi, At Birmingham the band were trimmed down to just 5 ! Just Dave, Alan, Huw, Simon & Richard. Fully expected Jerry & Ron not to be present. Half expected Tim to be there. Surprised at Keith & Jez' absence ... But such is life in the HW camp. A pretty consistant heavy set with first hearings of Brainbox, Watcher & Spiral (for me). I felt they lost their way a tad during the instrumental breaks of Levitation & Angels, but other than that it was pretty intense. I believe that the reason for the band playing so late was that initially this was going to be an all-dayer (if memory serves me correctly). I reckon it was then "converted" to a standard gig, but that they kept all the acts on the bill which resulted in HW taking the stage at 23:05. I walked in to see some guy doing a solo spot in his underpants (doing a support act, I mean!) I then had the misfortune to catch a "band" called PCM (I think). Zion Train were next who were well received and quite enjoyable, but like Roger, at 10:00 I was wishing they'd vacate the stage for HW. Anyway, suitably impressed to consider the trip down to Cardiff on Friday to hear it all again. Catch 'em whilst you can! Jez From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 10 18:14:03 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:14:03 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: tell the truth: who among us disagreed with his couplings with the nolans sam fox wendy o ozzy/slash even robbo? he'll survive your disapproval. i still think if you respect the guy, you'll reserve judgement until you hear it... then trash it anyway, as you've already made up your minds. pity. bobm From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 18:27:17 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:27:17 -0000 Subject: Lemmy can do no wrong Message-ID: Lemmy can do no wrong. Even the Young and Moody Band stuff was f***ing great! :-) Even the stuff he did with that band of smelly hippies (can't remember their name) was pretty good... :-))) Cheers, Rich. > tell the truth: who among us disagreed with his couplings with > the nolans > sam fox > wendy o > ozzy/slash > even robbo? > > he'll survive your disapproval. i still think if you respect the guy, you'll > reserve judgement until you hear it... > > then trash it anyway, as you've already made up your minds. pity. > bobm > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 18:29:16 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:29:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: <7qnqutg3qdgekbnbc31niirs4mmufn90ap@4ax.com> Message-ID: In message <7qnqutg3qdgekbnbc31niirs4mmufn90ap at 4ax.com>, Steve Pond writes >But thanks the effort Steve.. > >sheesh.. Steve- I fully agree that the show is greatly superior to the QEH album, and I was very happy to get hold of it- so thanks from me, at least. -- Nick Medford From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Nov 10 18:36:55 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:36:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > tell the truth: who among us disagreed with his couplings with > the nolans > sam fox > wendy o > ozzy/slash > even robbo? > > he'll survive your disapproval. i still think if you respect the guy, you'll > reserve judgement until you hear it... couplings...????...i thought that had to do with sex(maybe wendy o(rip)& sam fox, but surely not the rest???...i shudder to think (cogito ergo shudder) tim oh yeah,while i'm here: BOC at the ribfest st.pete tomorrow!! whoo-hoo only $6 in and beer for sale,too. i must be in heaven man t > then trash it anyway, as you've already made up your minds. pity. > bobm From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 10 18:43:47 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:43:47 -0000 Subject: HW: ticket tale Message-ID: So here I was offering to get someone a ticket for Glasgow. No problem I thought - just go along to the Virgin shop in Edinburgh and pick one up..... but Edinburgh Virgin had sent all their remaining tickets to Glasgow and had none left. So I phone up Glasgow. Nope - they'd all sold out - but try again on Monday. So I phone (from work) on Monday. There's one left - Ok I take it! Can you post it? Nope. Whaaat? Nope. You have to come and collect it. You're joking? All the way from Edinburgh to Glasgow just to pick up one ticket? Yep. For f*cks sake..... ok leave work - 40 mins on the bus to the train station. 10 mins on the platform waiting for...... nothing. 30 further minutes on the platorm waiting for something to turn up (NB this is supposed to be a shuttle train service every 15 minutes!) only this version stops at every tiny station in places I never knew existed before it finally arrives in Glasgow. Too late. As I leap off the train I know the shop is already closed - but what choice is there? A sprint out of the station, up the steps, under the arch, along the road and.......... the doors are closed. I shake them. I hammer on them. They stay closed. The shop guys counting the till money keep counting the money. They turn their backs and are not going to listen. Damn the lot of them!!! So I'm angry now. Fed up, irritated, peeved I pull out my mobile phone (they do have uses!) and dial the shop. No one answers. Try again. And someone responds! I explode: "I've come to pick up a ticket but your shop is closed. You refused to send it to me in the post and told me I had to come and collect it. So I've come. And I'm here And I've made a special journey from Edinburgh and I paid ?7.50 for the train but it was delayed. And now your bloody doors are locked and I can't get in!!!" Well - maybe I sounded like I was about to burst into tears (maybe I was) but a miracle happened. He said "wait there I'll be right down". And he was. He came down - got someone to unlock the doors, checked the card number and, wonder of wonders, gave me the ticket. So there ARE nice people in the world and maybe it was because it was a Hawkwind ticket - or maybe it was for some other reason but he did A Good Thing there and though I've no idea what his name is - thank you sir!! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 10 14:03:22 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:03:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: perhaps if you played a few things that maybe people aren't so familiar with, or more importantly 'exclusives' that can't be heard elsewhere - it's more work for you but you should get onto the bands and labels, get them to donate music that isn't on CD or album, and if they're worried about it being recorded for download, then, in the best Inkeys traditions, all you have to do is make sure you do a voice-over at the start and finish to 'spoil' the track. Imagine, exclusive live, archive, demo and maybe even new tracks from artists mixed in with the familiar and available - then more might tune in. Just a thought. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:19 AM Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 > "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. > Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog > TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html > For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing > list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck > > NOTE: I'm getting kinda bored of this...seriously: anybody got any ideas, > suggestions, requests...anything?? does anybody care??? (hey, no puns > please!) Does anyone out there on CyberEarth actually listen? I'm just > wondering...I would understand if you don't (listen)... The locals never > call...though I realize "listenership" of a small college-radio show should > not be gaged/gouged by # of calls...still, I doubt sometimes if people are > listening... it's understandable that people in other regions/time-zones > wouldn't _call_...god knows i don't expect that...and i know there's tons of > this stuff on the Web now...and ever better a lot of it's archived... so what > is the point of this rant? lame self-pity. the original idea for SDNC was to > give _myself_ a kick in the ass...if others dig it, that was a bonus...but > these days I think I about callin' it a day (though considering how > numerically-anal I am, I'll probably wait till March just so I can look back > and call it "3 years"). Please don't take this as a lame wahh-wahh bluff for > a pat-on-the-back... (then again, maybe that's what it is!...ahhh...i hope > not...) anyway, the stupid play-list...which is just words, not music... (AM > I DOING THE "NEXT RIGHT THING"?????) > > 11/3 > > 1.Cul de Sac-- "China Gate/Sakhalin" (China Gate; Thirsty Ear) > 2.Mushroom-- "Antonioni's Groove" (Iamaphotographer; Plain) > 3.Gong-- "Other Side of the Sky" (Angels Egg; Decal/Charly) > 4.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Moonlight on Vermont" (Trout Mask Replica; WB) > 5.Frank Zappa-- "For Calvin " (Grand Wazoo; > Rykodisc) > > 6.Neu!-- "Hallo Gallo" (ST'd, Astralwerks) > 7.Can-- "Mother Upduff" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) > 8.Faust-- "Mamie is Blue" (So Far; Collector's Choice...and that new box set) > 9.Guru Guru-- "Der Elektrolurch" (ST'd/Spaceship: Best of Pt. 2; Cleopatra) > > 10.Camel-- "Nimrodel/The Procession/The White Rider" (Mirage; Janus) > 11.Magma-- "HHAie" (Live; Jaro) > 12.Sproton Layer-- "Up" (With Magnetic Fields Disrupted; New Alliance) > 13.Wallenstein-- "Relics of Past" (Mother Universe; Spalax) > > 14.Motorhead-- "Vibrator" (ST'd; Attic) > 15.Hawkwind-- "Brainbox Pollution" (1999 Party Live '74 Chicago; EMI) > 16.U.F.O.-- "Prince Kajuku" (Space Metal; Nova) > 17.Robert Calvert/Maximum Effect-- "Ned Ludd" (Live 3/11/86 Carlysle) > 18.Twink/Plasticland-- "Seize the Time" (You Need a Fairy Godmother; Midnight) > 19.Judas Priest-- "Sinner" (Sin After Sin; CBS/Columbia) > > 20.Anubian Lights-- "Skinless Kiss" (Rare/Remix CD-R) > 21.Scattered Planets-- "Landing Pad" (Drinking w/Aliens) > 22.Guild Navigators-- "Ghost of the Cosmonaut" (Phase 1: '91-'97) > 23.Nik Turner-- "Thoth" (Transglobal Friends/Relations; Transparency) > 24.Spacious Mind-- "Cave Song" (Organic Mind Solution; Garageland) > 25.Shay-- "Conversation in the Cathedral" (Dreamers and Stalkers) > 26.Angelo Badalamenti/David Lynch-- "Silencio" ("Mullholland Drive" > Soundtrack; BMG) > > 27.Muz-- tracks 1-6 (Banana in Portugese; Tekito) > > thanks, Chuck From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sat Nov 10 19:15:49 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:15:49 -0500 Subject: HW: ticket tale Message-ID: My vote's for fear of PMS!! tim Jill Strobridge wrote: > > So here I was offering to get someone a ticket for Glasgow. No problem > I thought - just go along to the Virgin shop in Edinburgh and pick one > up..... but Edinburgh Virgin had sent all their remaining tickets to > Glasgow and had none left. So I phone up Glasgow. Nope - they'd all > sold out - but try again on Monday. So I phone (from work) on Monday. > There's one left - Ok I take it! Can you post it? Nope. Whaaat? > Nope. You have to come and collect it. You're joking? All the way > from Edinburgh to Glasgow just to pick up one ticket? Yep. For f*cks > sake..... > > ok leave work - 40 mins on the bus to the train station. 10 mins on > the platform waiting for...... nothing. 30 further minutes on the > platorm waiting for something to turn up (NB this is supposed to be a > shuttle train service every 15 minutes!) only this version stops at > every tiny station in places I never knew existed before it finally > arrives in Glasgow. Too late. As I leap off the train I know the > shop is already closed - but what choice is there? A sprint out of the > station, up the steps, under the arch, along the road and.......... the > doors are closed. I shake them. I hammer on them. They stay closed. > The shop guys counting the till money keep counting the money. They > turn their backs and are not going to listen. Damn the lot of them!!! > > So I'm angry now. Fed up, irritated, peeved I pull out my mobile phone > (they do have uses!) and dial the shop. No one answers. Try again. > And someone responds! I explode: "I've come to pick up a ticket but > your shop is closed. You refused to send it to me in the post and told > me I had to come and collect it. So I've come. And I'm here And > I've made a special journey from Edinburgh and I paid ?7.50 for the > train but it was delayed. And now your bloody doors are locked and I > can't get in!!!" > > Well - maybe I sounded like I was about to burst into tears (maybe I > was) but a miracle happened. He said "wait there I'll be right down". > And he was. He came down - got someone to unlock the doors, checked > the card number and, wonder of wonders, gave me the ticket. So there > ARE nice people in the world and maybe it was because it was a Hawkwind > ticket - or maybe it was for some other reason but he did A Good Thing > there and though I've no idea what his name is - thank you sir!! > > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mlooney20 at HOME.COM Sun Nov 11 00:36:36 2001 From: mlooney20 at HOME.COM (mike looney) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:36:36 -0800 Subject: BOC Nov 9th Message-ID: B?C Concert, November 9th The Cotillion in Wichita KS The hall seats 2000 according to their web site and it looks like they are running at about 80-95% capacity. Sound Check The roadie that did most of the sound check was most amusing. Sort of stand-up comedy as sound check. Opening act: Ten Day Wish. Local cover band. Covers bands like Dishwalla and REM. Not my cup of tea. In fact they suck large things through very small tubes. I will grant that the female lead deep throating a drum stick during 'Sweet Emotion' had more than a bit of amusement value. A very white cover of 'One Love' is right up there with the reggae version of 'Godzilla' I heard once... Special thanks to the blonde in the black miniskirt in front of my table, and to the skin head raver dude with the perma-grin dancing... Extra Special thanks to the busty redhead in the clothes about a half size to small who kept wandering around by the table Set list Stairway to the stars Quicklime Girl Buck's Boogie ETI Dance on Stilts The Vigil Harvester of eyes Burning for you Joan Craford. Cities on Flame. Pocket Came the Last Days of May (with massive Buck guitar work. Not the recorded version.) Godzilla (w/ base & drum solos) Random bits of Buckness Don't fear the Reaper Dominance & Submission From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sat Nov 10 22:58:18 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:58:18 -0600 Subject: HW: ticket tale Message-ID: Great story, Jill. Glad it worked out for you. I feel your pain! (having travelled from the U.S. last year, only to have delayed flights and missed the Astoria show last year by five hours. That really sucked! Glad you had better luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Strobridge" To: Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: HW: ticket tale So here I was offering to get someone a ticket for Glasgow. No problem I thought - just go along to the Virgin shop in Edinburgh and pick one up..... but Edinburgh Virgin had sent all their remaining tickets to Glasgow and had none left. So I phone up Glasgow. Nope - they'd all sold out - but try again on Monday. So I phone (from work) on Monday. There's one left - Ok I take it! Can you post it? Nope. Whaaat? Nope. You have to come and collect it. You're joking? All the way from Edinburgh to Glasgow just to pick up one ticket? Yep. For f*cks sake..... ok leave work - 40 mins on the bus to the train station. 10 mins on the platform waiting for...... nothing. 30 further minutes on the platorm waiting for something to turn up (NB this is supposed to be a shuttle train service every 15 minutes!) only this version stops at every tiny station in places I never knew existed before it finally arrives in Glasgow. Too late. As I leap off the train I know the shop is already closed - but what choice is there? A sprint out of the station, up the steps, under the arch, along the road and.......... the doors are closed. I shake them. I hammer on them. They stay closed. The shop guys counting the till money keep counting the money. They turn their backs and are not going to listen. Damn the lot of them!!! So I'm angry now. Fed up, irritated, peeved I pull out my mobile phone (they do have uses!) and dial the shop. No one answers. Try again. And someone responds! I explode: "I've come to pick up a ticket but your shop is closed. You refused to send it to me in the post and told me I had to come and collect it. So I've come. And I'm here And I've made a special journey from Edinburgh and I paid ?7.50 for the train but it was delayed. And now your bloody doors are locked and I can't get in!!!" Well - maybe I sounded like I was about to burst into tears (maybe I was) but a miracle happened. He said "wait there I'll be right down". And he was. He came down - got someone to unlock the doors, checked the card number and, wonder of wonders, gave me the ticket. So there ARE nice people in the world and maybe it was because it was a Hawkwind ticket - or maybe it was for some other reason but he did A Good Thing there and though I've no idea what his name is - thank you sir!! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Nov 11 01:33:28 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:33:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nov 9th In-Reply-To: <3BEE0E64.FF25BD92@home.com> Message-ID: >Set list >Stairway to the stars >Quicklime Girl Holy &#$^&@! now THAT is a surprise. wow. how did it sound? From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Nov 11 01:23:42 2001 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 01:23:42 EST Subject: BOC: Nov 9th Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/2001 1:05:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, js3619 at ACMENET.NET writes: > Holy &#$^&@! now THAT is a surprise. wow. > > how did it sound? > And did they do the correct lyrics...or the version listed in the lyric book and the remaster of T&M? :-) SET From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Nov 11 02:11:33 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:11:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: Incredulously, AndyGee states the non-obvious... >perhaps if you played a few things that maybe people aren't so familiar >with, or more importantly 'exclusives' that can't be heard elsewhere - it's >more work for you but you should get onto the bands and labels, get them to >donate music that isn't on CD or album, and if they're worried about it >being recorded for download You *must* be kidding. OK, maybe you're thinking from the perspective of an internet listener from a very narrow niche audience. Which perhaps might even be partially valid? I dunno, a college radio station usually doesn't have a transmitter that sends out a signal farther than you can hit a three-iron. So perhaps a majority of Chuck's listeners are indeed of the internet variety? In any case, ostensibly this is a radio show, for radio listeners in a country (the United States) that claims Britney Spears and Michael Jackson as its most talented entertainers. I hardly think that a track by a guy (Chris Mead - Guild Navigators) I know from around here in central Ohio that handmade a few CDR's for himself and ten other guys hardly qualifies as 'familiar.' :) Of course, that's not a representative example of what Chuck plays mostly, but I wouldn't believe for an instant that even the 200 (or so) folks on this list, who are undoubtedly some of the most knowledgable music fans in existence, is particularly familiar with a *majority* of this stuff. I mean, a quick count tells me that I have 15 of the 27 albums in the list below. I doubt seriously there are three people on this list that have more. And you and John McIntyre are probably two of them. And now that I think about it, Jerry K. is the third. :) Well, whatever, I guess it all depends on what the point of doing the radio show for Chuck really is...if he was trying to give this sort of music some visibility in an otherwise barren wasteland of 'alternative' music and hiphop, and perhaps turn on a few young folk that might have heard a Sigur Ros or Spiritualized tune or two and catch the common 'space-rock' drift from his show, then I think playing the 'less' obscure might be the ticket. It seems as though he tries to do some of both. Although for the life of me, I couldn't say what one track from the list of 27 would be considered the 'most popular.' The Motorhead, HW, UFO, and Can tracks are hardly 'standards'. I would guess 'Sinner' by JP (of all these, this was the one that I knew at the youngest age) or perhaps 'Hallo Gallo' because of the recent rerelease and the 'popularity' of Neu! retro-tributizing amongst the post-rock set. So, I can say with some certainty that if I were driving down the road (which I don't do much at all anymore) and turned on the radio (which I certainly couldn't do since my car lacks one that operates) to any station above 90.0 on the FM dial (i.e., US commercial radio) and heard *ANY* track from this list (barring "Sinner", which would nonetheless be very unusual) I would probably lose control and drive off the road from shock. Grakkl (FAA), who hopes that Allan "Bud" Selig suddenly realizes that he's completely lost his mind and that there ain't one baseball fan on this earth that thinks that we need to repeat the Cleveland Browns fiasco with my Minnesota Twins. >> 11/3 >> >> 1.Cul de Sac-- "China Gate/Sakhalin" (China Gate; Thirsty Ear) >> 2.Mushroom-- "Antonioni's Groove" (Iamaphotographer; Plain) >> 3.Gong-- "Other Side of the Sky" (Angels Egg; Decal/Charly) >> 4.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Moonlight on Vermont" (Trout Mask Replica; >WB) >> 5.Frank Zappa-- "For Calvin " (Grand Wazoo; >> Rykodisc) >> 6.Neu!-- "Hallo Gallo" (ST'd, Astralwerks) >> 7.Can-- "Mother Upduff" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) >> 8.Faust-- "Mamie is Blue" (So Far; Collector's Choice...and that new box >set) >> 9.Guru Guru-- "Der Elektrolurch" (ST'd/Spaceship: Best of Pt. 2; >Cleopatra) >> 10.Camel-- "Nimrodel/The Procession/The White Rider" (Mirage; Janus) >> 11.Magma-- "HHAie" (Live; Jaro) >> 12.Sproton Layer-- "Up" (With Magnetic Fields Disrupted; New Alliance) >> 13.Wallenstein-- "Relics of Past" (Mother Universe; Spalax) >> 14.Motorhead-- "Vibrator" (ST'd; Attic) >> 15.Hawkwind-- "Brainbox Pollution" (1999 Party Live '74 Chicago; EMI) >> 16.U.F.O.-- "Prince Kajuku" (Space Metal; Nova) >> 17.Robert Calvert/Maximum Effect-- "Ned Ludd" (Live 3/11/86 Carlysle) >> 18.Twink/Plasticland-- "Seize the Time" (You Need a Fairy Godmother; >Midnight) >> 19.Judas Priest-- "Sinner" (Sin After Sin; CBS/Columbia) >> 20.Anubian Lights-- "Skinless Kiss" (Rare/Remix CD-R) >> 21.Scattered Planets-- "Landing Pad" (Drinking w/Aliens) >> 22.Guild Navigators-- "Ghost of the Cosmonaut" (Phase 1: '91-'97) >> 23.Nik Turner-- "Thoth" (Transglobal Friends/Relations; Transparency) >> 24.Spacious Mind-- "Cave Song" (Organic Mind Solution; Garageland) >> 25.Shay-- "Conversation in the Cathedral" (Dreamers and Stalkers) >> 26.Angelo Badalamenti/David Lynch-- "Silencio" ("Mullholland Drive" >> Soundtrack; BMG) >> 27.Muz-- tracks 1-6 (Banana in Portugese; Tekito) From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sun Nov 11 05:07:22 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:07:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: yeah, thanks a lot for the files you've made available, steve! 90 percent of it would've been unavailable for me hadn't it been for your site (or, in my case, the mp3 cd you made). great work. best, ketil svendsen, norway > From: Steve Pond > >Hmmm, it seems to me less good audio quality wise than QEH (but then its > >only cd quality not vynal quality) > > But thanks the effort Steve.. > > sheesh.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 11 05:55:37 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:55:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: errr.....Andy G, god bless him.....didn't know that this radio station had such a) a small catchment area live and b)wasn't listened to widely on the internet. I was only making a suggestion, anyway. >From the info you gave, quite clearly what I said is not applicable, so there you go - the principle remains the same. It's just that we in this weird little country called the UK don't quite get all this college radio bit (I don;t anyway!!!) On a happier note, the EBS parcel arrived last thing Friday at work, which contains whatever is left from the EBS warehouse, so more about that when we open it. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:11 AM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 > Incredulously, AndyGee states the non-obvious... > From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Sun Nov 11 10:33:07 2001 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:33:07 +0100 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow Message-ID: Thanks Keith! Does anyone know if HW are selling CD?s and other things at the tour? See you at Assembly Hall on Nov. 24th if the planes are still flying at the time. Hawkswede ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: HW Tour: Walthamstow > Hawkswede wrote: > > > Hi there! > > > > I might need the phone# as well. > > 020 8521 7111 > > > And is it near the tube station? > > It'll probably be easier to take the Victoria Line tube to Blackhorse Road > then get the bus down Forrest Road. > > cheers, > > Keef > From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Nov 11 10:43:34 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:43:34 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Walthamstow In-Reply-To: <000701c16ac6$296b6ee0$0c00a8c0@hawkswede> Message-ID: There were CDs and T-shirts at Nottingham. Yule Ritual, some Wierd CDs and a Dave Brock CD (sorry, didn't note the title). Alasdair On 11 Nov 01, at 16:33, Hawkswede wrote: Thanks Keith! Does anyone know if HW are selling CD?s and other things at the tour? From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 11 11:02:39 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:02:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Torquay meeting place - Tuesday 20 Nov Message-ID: Torquay - found a better pub. The London Inn. It's huge, close to the venue, situated on the Strand (which is the main road) and (I think) serves food. Here's the map reference http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?addr1=London+Inn,+15-16,&addr2=St rand&addr3=Torquay&pc=TQ1+2AA&client=europe&gride=291957&gridn=63491&sca le=10000 jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Z E Itgeist To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: HW: Social Convenor Update > Getting there > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html > From mlooney20 at HOME.COM Sun Nov 11 14:07:02 2001 From: mlooney20 at HOME.COM (mike looney) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:07:02 -0800 Subject: BOC: Nov 9th Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > > In a message dated 11/11/2001 1:05:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > js3619 at ACMENET.NET writes: > > > Holy &#$^&@! now THAT is a surprise. wow. > > > > how did it sound? > > > > And did they do the correct lyrics...or the version listed in the lyric book > and the remaster of T&M? :-) It sounded pretty good. As to what lyrics, well, I don't have a clue... From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Nov 11 16:19:14 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:19:14 -0500 Subject: Bad news on the tour front Message-ID: Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming back from the USA. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Nov 11 16:25:11 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:25:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow Message-ID: If anyone needs more info on where and whe meets are my mobile will be on Monday and Tuesday up till show time. Mobile is 07966-389657 Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming back from the USA. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Nov 11 16:37:32 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:37:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead Message-ID: High Level Cuts with obi and lyric sheet could net you about 50 UKpounds, without either about 30 UK pounds. I have one of the latter. Stuart NP Roy Harper - Born In Captivity 2CD On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:03:24 -0600, mike c wrote: >1) UFO 1- YAY! (and all the comp LP's YAY!) > >2) UF0 2- 2 tracks are 2 long..(on this one)...(Star Storm, Flying)...of >the 2, good parts, and BAD parts- should not have been released like this >(IMHO) > >3) THE Decca Years CD- Oh Goody! I found it, includes many single mixes , >has "Galactic Love, etc.."...BUT!!!! the 2 tracks with Schenker ARE >CHRYSALIS singles and do not fit nor do they belong...off with their >heads....(IMHO) (of course) > > When I was at the store I saw a tribute CD to UFO that included members of >Motorhead, and or Motorhead itself.....anyone know about this??? good?? >(Bob M?) > > I saw a Japaneese green vinyl of "High Level Cut" w/Schenker.....I want >that LP cover......but it was $75.00...........whats it's value? (Stuart?) > >m From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sun Nov 11 16:42:38 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:42:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead Message-ID: "VARIOUS ARTISTS - Only U.F.O. Can Rock Me: A Tribute To U.F.O. (Deadline) UFO holds a special place in the hearts of many the world over but in the UK the band has near god-like status so it is fitting that the cream of the British crop of Metal-heads and Hard-Rockers should come together on this TRIBUTE. For the most part the songs stay well within the recognizable confines of the original with a liberty taken here and there for variety. The singers chosen for this disc must all belong to the greater UFO fan club because each nails their vocal perfectly. Doogie White (RAINBOW) is dead on for ?Too Hot to Handle? without trying to sound like Phil Mogg while Lea Hart (FASTWAY) had me checking to see if it was actually Mogg singing on ?Lights Out.? Paul DiAnno (IRON MAIDEN + KILLERS) shreds up a version of ?Shoot Shoot? making the song his own property and the furthest of the bunch away from the template.Bernie Shaw (URIAH HEEP) stretches his pipes around a blazing version of ?Natural Thing? which also features the hottest guitar on the whole disc. There are performances here that go well beyond mere tribute to blatant idolatry with no weak link in the twelve-song chain. Other featured artists on this tribute are; Phil Campbell (MOTORHEAD), Steve Grimmett (GRIM REAPER), Jem Davis (UFO + FM), Pete Jupp (Samson + FM), Ian Nash, Bernie Torme (GILLAN), Mick White (SAMSON), Nicky Moore (MAMMOTH + SAMSON), Steve Overland (FM), Bob Skeat (WISHBONE ASH), Bill Liesegang, Cliff Evans (TANK + KILLERS) and Ray Callcut. If you are a fan of UFO then you will find this tribute both respectful and exciting and if you have a penchant for tribute albums this will certainly be among the best in your collection. TRACK LISTING: Long Gone, We Belong to the Night, Only you Can Rock Me, Too Hot to Handle, Love to Love, Shoot Shoot, Doctor Doctor, Natural Thing, Let it Roll, Lights Out, Let it Rain, Rock Bottom." Buy it at; http://www.101cd.com/orev01.asp?title=6064312&s=1151 On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:31:16 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >In a message dated 11/9/2001 10:58:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, >deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > >> When I was at the store I saw a tribute CD to UFO that included members of >> Motorhead, and or Motorhead itself.....anyone know about this??? good?? >> (Bob M?) >> > >sorry, i know nothing about it.... >bobm From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 11 17:59:42 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:59:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow Message-ID: See you in Edinburgh and Glasgow Dave -----Original Message----- From: Z E Itgeist To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 11 November 2001 21:25 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow >If anyone needs more info on where and whe meets are my mobile will be on Monday and Tuesday up till show time. > >Mobile is 07966-389657 > >Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming back from the USA. > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Nov 11 18:33:23 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:33:23 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/01 4:30:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > perhaps if you played a few things that maybe people aren't so familiar > with, or more importantly 'exclusives' that can't be heard elsewhere - it's > more work for you but you should get onto the bands and labels, get them to > donate music that isn't on CD or album, and if they're worried about it > being recorded for download, then, in the best Inkeys traditions, all you > have to do is make sure you do a voice-over at the start and finish to > 'spoil' the track. Imagine, exclusive live, archive, demo and maybe even new > tracks from artists mixed in with the familiar and available - then more > might tune in. > Just a thought. > Andy G. > i thought i did???????????? damn... Chuck From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 11 19:50:12 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:50:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead In-Reply-To: <200111112137.QAA23973@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: <> Hi Stuart- I was just curious- the copy I saw was on green wax, but no Obi, and they are a known rip-off.....I just want that cover....If I lay that kinda money down it better be Hawkwind or something,,,,,thanks....They can have it up on the wall for the next 15 years.....maybe I'll get the UFO tribute CD with Motorhead and save enough to get drunk....(you know, a "responsible", "warm" and "rosey" feeling) Speaking of, what is the title of that wrestling CD that got the gold award- I never found that yet...what is full title please!!! if I made it through Wendy-o's gargle with broken glass vocals, I'll make it through anything...I like her, nice pic on the single, but ouch that track hurts! m From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 11 17:49:44 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:49:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roy Harper query In-Reply-To: <200111112137.QAA23973@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111112137.QAA23973 at listserv.spc.edu>, Z E Itgeist writes >NP Roy Harper - Born In Captivity 2CD 2CD eh? I have the original vinyl LP, but what else is on the CD? Is the second CD the "Work of Heart" album? (BiC largely being the demos for that- and personally I much prefer the demos, WoH is easily Harper's worst album I've always thought) Or is it something else? thanks in advance -- Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 11 19:09:43 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:09:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead Message-ID: hey - we've got one copy of this UFO thing left on the shelf if anyone needs it in a hurry. Bedouin album here on Tuesday - I, for one, am excited......... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Z E Itgeist" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead > "VARIOUS ARTISTS - Only U.F.O. Can Rock Me: A Tribute To U.F.O. > (Deadline) > UFO holds a special place in the hearts of many the world over but in > the UK the band has near god-like status so it is fitting that the cream > of the British crop of Metal-heads and Hard-Rockers should come together > on this TRIBUTE. > For the most part the songs stay well within the recognizable confines > of the original with a liberty taken here and there for variety. The > singers chosen for this disc must all belong to the greater UFO fan club > because each nails their vocal perfectly. Doogie White (RAINBOW) is dead > on for "Too Hot to Handle" without trying to sound like Phil Mogg while > Lea Hart (FASTWAY) had me checking to see if it was actually Mogg singing > on "Lights Out." Paul DiAnno (IRON MAIDEN + KILLERS) shreds up a version > of "Shoot Shoot" making the song his own property and the furthest of the > bunch away from the template.Bernie Shaw (URIAH HEEP) stretches his pipes around a blazing version of "Natural Thing" which also features the hottest guitar on the whole disc. There are performances here that go well beyond mere tribute to blatant idolatry with no weak link in the twelve-song chain. > Other featured artists on this tribute are; Phil Campbell (MOTORHEAD), Steve Grimmett (GRIM REAPER), Jem Davis (UFO + FM), Pete Jupp (Samson + > FM), Ian Nash, Bernie Torme (GILLAN), Mick White (SAMSON), Nicky Moore > (MAMMOTH + SAMSON), Steve Overland (FM), Bob Skeat (WISHBONE ASH), Bill > Liesegang, Cliff Evans (TANK + KILLERS) and Ray Callcut. > If you are a fan of UFO then you will find this tribute both respectful > and exciting and if you have a penchant for tribute albums this will > certainly be among the best in your collection. > TRACK LISTING: Long Gone, We Belong to the Night, Only you Can Rock Me, > Too Hot to Handle, Love to Love, Shoot Shoot, Doctor Doctor, Natural Thing, Let it Roll, Lights Out, Let it Rain, Rock Bottom." > > Buy it at; > http://www.101cd.com/orev01.asp?title=6064312&s=1151 > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:31:16 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > >In a message dated 11/9/2001 10:58:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > > > > >> When I was at the store I saw a tribute CD to UFO that included members of > >> Motorhead, and or Motorhead itself.....anyone know about this??? good?? > >> (Bob M?) > >> > > > >sorry, i know nothing about it.... > >bobm From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 11 19:02:21 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:02:21 -0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 Message-ID: I'm sorry - I am writing this because of a past venture I did which no-one here ever got to hear about and which, without knowing where I'm coming from on this, is clearly causing more confusion than it's making sense - on this thread, just imagine I never said anything and carry on. On second thoughts, even that doesn't make sense - I wish I never started on this one.............. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 > In a message dated 11/10/01 4:30:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > perhaps if you played a few things that maybe people aren't so familiar > > with, or more importantly 'exclusives' that can't be heard elsewhere - it's > > more work for you but you should get onto the bands and labels, get them to > > donate music that isn't on CD or album, and if they're worried about it > > being recorded for download, then, in the best Inkeys traditions, all you > > have to do is make sure you do a voice-over at the start and finish to > > 'spoil' the track. Imagine, exclusive live, archive, demo and maybe even > new > > tracks from artists mixed in with the familiar and available - then more > > might tune in. > > Just a thought. > > Andy G. > > > > i thought i did???????????? > damn... > > Chuck From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 11 20:42:33 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:42:33 -0600 Subject: "Space Forgives Andy G-The Motorheadization of USA In-Reply-To: <007e01c16b0e$cd2ee000$4886bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: <> don't sweat it Andy, this is the badlands of alphabet and characters.....nothing really matters.....your sales shall not suffer.... say, I've decided to "officially" proclaim America "Motorized"....I know they conquored Dave Latterman, and Wots that other one that took over Johnny Carson,,,,oh yeah Dorito Boy with the car collection.......anyway, I've just seen the VH1 special about the 80's metal years, and snippets and clippets of Motorhead figured prominently, to the point that it was an obvious "undercurrent".....yep...almost sickening in a way.....I really wish I'd have "noodled" in the fan club a long time ago, instead of aborting mission when Burridge didn't accept my check eons ago.....now if I ever do meet Ian, it will be so goofy and meaningless as opposed to a bit less goofy and meaningless (to him that is),,,,,,I do like the way somebody described them on the show as being the first NWOBHM band that punks didn't have to hate,,,,,pretty good there I thought.... also..I like what my friend said about them tonight on the phone..(referring mostly to the younger Motorhead audience in the states, I think)..he said-: "Motorhead are like those classic books everyone WISHES they had read" of course- you and me really read them..... so many people have a T-Shirt.......just a T-shirt..... m From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 11 19:38:15 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:38:15 EST Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/2001 6:44:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Speaking of, what is the title of that wrestling CD that got the gold > award- I never found that yet...what is full title please!!! > wwf the music vol 5 bobm From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 11 20:49:18 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:49:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead In-Reply-To: <007f01c16b0e$ce230400$4886bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Re UFO tribute sales: now now- boys boys- sorry- I am off to look at dirt cheap used ACDC records or something to give an excuse for the (signature) Heinken... m anybody got any of the UFO boot CD's with (you guessed) Mick strummin' the axe??? if so, wrap it up, I'll take it.... m From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 11 20:24:10 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:24:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Several BOC references on Simpsons season premiere Message-ID: I'm watching the season premiere of the Simpsons and was rather surprised to see and hear several references to Blue Oyster Cult during the part where Bart is having his trial. They even showed the kronos symbol on Homer's BOC medallion... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 11 20:42:48 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:42:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Several BOC references on Simpsons season premiere In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Paul Mather wrote: => I'm watching the season premiere of the Simpsons and was rather => surprised to see and hear several references to Blue Oyster Cult during => the part where Bart is having his trial. They even showed the kronos => symbol on Homer's BOC medallion... Just to follow-up on myself, I'll also add that they also played a little bit of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" on the end titles, too. I know Groening is a huge Zappa fan. Maybe someone on the show is a big BOC fan??? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Sun Nov 11 22:57:49 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:57:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Several BOC references on Simpsons season premiere In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Just to follow-up on myself, I'll also add that they also played a >little bit of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" on the end titles, too. Besides the BOC, good season premiere. Didn't Homer win the BOC medallion from the KBBL Prize van? Homer said something about having to go get it and how Blue Oyster Cult wrote dont fear the reaper, to which the judge replied "Yes, I understand BOC" or something to that effect. Whoever it was, it always proves to be a great, great show. After all, that got Patrick McGoohan to reprise his role as number 6 and reveal what he was on "The Island" for -- the bottomless peanut bag. J From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 12 03:30:24 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:30:24 EST Subject: OFF:Motorhead t-shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/2001 7:36:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > so many people have a T-Shirt.......just a T-shirt..... > > lem has said to me, 'more people have the bloody t-shirt than have any of the old records, but that's ok as i make more money from the t-shirts than from the old records!' which is why i buy a shirt every time i see 'em bobm From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 12 03:41:40 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:41:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Social Convenor update Message-ID: http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/BOC.html No more updates till Friday as I'm currently on tour. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 12 04:02:59 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:02:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow Message-ID: Sadly something really unexpected has cropped up that I can't get out of, so I won't be at Glasgow - sorry to those I miss - would have liked to have met you. However, I WILL be at Edinburgh, pub and all, and providing the Bedouin album arrives, I will be delivering some to Alan, but also I will bring some for anyone who may have ordered it and wants to take it back with them on the night - saves postage and we can charge you the day after anyway. So, have a good one there and see you tomorrow. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Z E Itgeist" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow > If anyone needs more info on where and whe meets are my mobile will be on Monday and Tuesday up till show time. > > Mobile is 07966-389657 > > Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming back from the USA. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 12 04:07:09 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:07:09 -0000 Subject: HW Tour - Social organiser Message-ID: I take it this is still the place tomorrow!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: HW Tour - Social organiser > Well, even if you top-posted, it'd be great to see you in the pub. To > get to the Jolly Judge you need to go up the Mound from Prices Street or > Waverley Station. When you get to the Royal Mile crossroads (at Deacon > Brodies pub) turn right towards the castle. A little ways up there's a > sign pointing down a close to the Jolly Judge. Go down the close and the > JJ is down a stair to your left. > > FoFP From coral at APORT.RU Mon Nov 12 04:08:15 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:08:15 +0300 Subject: HW: new HW dvd Message-ID: Hello! ...was surfing through amazon.co.uk and found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RDLG/qid=1005555945/sr=1-3/re f=sr_sp_re/026-6970953-1990018 Yule Ritual dvd? Recently in a chat there was mention about coming Yule dvd. cheers, Alisa From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 12 05:15:23 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 05:15:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead wrestling Message-ID: WWF - WWF MUSIC-VOL.5 1. The Game - Triple H/Motorhead 2. Rowdy - K-Kwik 3. If You Dare - Tazz 4. It Just Feels Right - Lita 5. Out of the Fire - Kane 6. Latino Heat - Eddie Guerrero 7. I've Got It All - Billy Gunn 8. What About Me? - Raven 9. Who I Am - Chyna 10. Medal - Kurt Angle 11. Bad Man - Rikishi 12. Shooter - Chris Benoit 13. Turn It Up - Too Cool 14. Pie - The Rock/Slick Rick ?11.99 at Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056NM9/therocker >>> Subject: Re: OFF: UFO/Mick Bolton (my final biopsy)/Motorhead <> Hi Stuart- I was just curious- the copy I saw was on green wax, but no Obi, and they are a known rip-off.....I just want that cover....If I lay that kinda money down it better be Hawkwind or something,,,,,thanks....They can have it up on the wall for the next 15 years.....maybe I'll get the UFO tribute CD with Motorhead and save enough to get drunk....(you know, a "responsible", "warm" and "rosey" feeling) Speaking of, what is the title of that wrestling CD that got the gold award- I never found that yet...what is full title please!!! if I made it through Wendy-o's gargle with broken glass vocals, I'll make it through anything...I like her, nice pic on the single, but ouch that track hurts! m From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 12 05:22:17 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 05:22:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Roy Harper query Message-ID: Agreed, not one of his best, but Work of Heart, the suite, is still a marvellous piece. And "Elizabeth" is an understated classic Roy sez; "'Born in Captivity' and 'Work of Heart' used to be two separate albums. I can remember having cause one time to ask my good minder, Darren Crisp, which record of mine he would recommend to someone who had never heard me at all. I was expecting to hear something like 'Stormcock' or 'Valentine', or half a dozen others, but he came straight back with 'Born in Captivity'. I was very surprised. I had the chance of listening to the record again some time later. I brought some new ears with me into the experience. What I heard was what I'd last heard. An almost quaint little album made entirely by Roy and entirely at home. No other musicians involved. It brought back all the fonder memories of the period. A period when my son Ben was a little boy playing in the farmyard. Getting snowed in for the best part of a week one year. Green Woodpeckers in the garden. If you are a musician you will know the story well: it was the demo for 'Work of Heart' that eventually everyone liked just as well if not more. It's gentler, less 'produced' and quite obviously made at home. So; I was still finding my feet after the EMI years when 'Work of Heart' was made. Perhaps I don't have the right attitude to the album because of the trauma of losing the above house to Barclays Bank at the time. But never mind, I can proudly say that I was one of the first casualties of the eighties recession! It was a chaotic period and one that I don't care to remember that often. I have not until recently paid much attention to video, and I guess had I done so then my career would have been more visible. In that context it is worth remarking here that my performance at Glastonbury was video taped in 1982. Tony Franklin, who played bass with me at the time made a comment to me recently to the effect that the only visual recording of the most complex piece of music that I ever wrote was recorded by a sound crew who obviously couldn't hear a thing! Mike Mansfield has shown it on 'Q the Music' recently, (again). I think that I managed to find myself a suitable place to hide and cringe that night. C'est la vie. One day I'll re-dub it. There is no doubt in my own mind that the early eighties were the nadir of my life in music." >>>> OFF: Roy Harper query In message <200111112137.QAA23973 at listserv.spc.edu>, Z E Itgeist writes >NP Roy Harper - Born In Captivity 2CD 2CD eh? I have the original vinyl LP, but what else is on the CD? Is the second CD the "Work of Heart" album? (BiC largely being the demos for that- and personally I much prefer the demos, WoH is easily Harper's worst album I've always thought) Or is it something else? thanks in advance -- Nick Medford From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 12 05:55:52 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:55:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roy Harper query Message-ID: Born in Captivity is simply one of the most wonderful albums ever. I trudged 6 miles through the snow to a small folk club attached to a pub near weston super mare to see Roy play. Found out the gig was sold out so went into the pub for a pint and warm up next to the fire before trudging home again. I was chatting to my fellow walker about being so close yet so far from seeing the man. When squadron leader Roy Harper ( dressed in flying jacket and white scarf) steps in in and says "we'll if you;ve walked 6 miles to come and see me, you can walk in with me, you are my roadcrew for the night, you'll not pay, you can sit down the front, the only thing I ask is that you build the joints good and strong when I giv e you the nod". We walked in and sat at the front ( crosslegged ) and a lump the size of jupiter landed on my lap to the words " i think its going to be a good night, pass it round !", and nodded in my direction..... Later after the gig i bought a copy of Born in Captivity and got the man to put his name to it... its still played in Ferguson Towers to this day.... simply stunning. iain Z E Itgeist wrote: > Agreed, not one of his best, but Work of Heart, the suite, is still a > marvellous piece. And "Elizabeth" is an understated classic Roy sez; > > "'Born in Captivity' and 'Work of Heart' used to be two separate albums. I > can remember having cause one time to ask my good minder, Darren Crisp, > which record of mine he would recommend to someone who had never heard me > at all. I was expecting to hear something like 'Stormcock' or 'Valentine', > or half a dozen others, but he came straight back with 'Born in Captivity'. > I was very surprised. > > I had the chance of listening to the record again some time later. I > brought some new ears with me into the experience. What I heard was what > I'd last heard. An almost quaint little album made entirely by Roy and > entirely at home. No other musicians involved. > > It brought back all the fonder memories of the period. A period when my son > Ben was a little boy playing in the farmyard. Getting snowed in for the > best part of a week one year. Green Woodpeckers in the garden. If you are a > musician you will know the story well: it was the demo for 'Work of Heart' > that eventually everyone liked just as well if not more. It's gentler, > less 'produced' and quite obviously made at home. > > So; I was still finding my feet after the EMI years when 'Work of Heart' > was made. Perhaps I don't have the right attitude to the album because of > the trauma of losing the above house to Barclays Bank at the time. But > never mind, I can proudly say that I was one of the first casualties of the > eighties recession! It was a chaotic period and one that I don't care to > remember that often. > > I have not until recently paid much attention to video, and I guess had I > done so then my career would have been more visible. In that context it is > worth remarking here that my performance at Glastonbury was video taped in > 1982. > > Tony Franklin, who played bass with me at the time made a comment to me > recently to the effect that the only visual recording of the most complex > piece of music that I ever wrote was recorded by a sound crew who obviously > couldn't hear a thing! Mike Mansfield has shown it on 'Q the Music' > recently, (again). I think that I managed to find myself a suitable place > to hide and cringe that night. C'est la vie. One day I'll re-dub it. There > is no doubt in my own mind that the early eighties were the nadir of my > life in music." > > >>>> > OFF: Roy Harper query > > In message <200111112137.QAA23973 at listserv.spc.edu>, Z E Itgeist > writes > > >NP Roy Harper - Born In Captivity 2CD > > 2CD eh? I have the original vinyl LP, but what else is on the CD? Is the > second CD the "Work of Heart" album? (BiC largely being the demos for > that- and personally I much prefer the demos, WoH is easily Harper's worst > album I've always thought) Or is it something else? > > thanks in advance > -- > Nick Medford From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 12 08:02:55 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:02:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Bad news on the tour front Message-ID: Should have had a HW prefix:-( On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:19:14 -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: >Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming back from the USA. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Nov 12 08:04:56 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:04:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Roy Harper query Message-ID: Bear in mind my comments re Roy are in context of a huuuuuuuuuge Roy fan, and that everything he has done is of merit. Every home should have at leat half a dozen Roy albums, and those who don't should be up against the wall come the revolution. On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:55:52 +0000, iain ferguson wrote: >Born in Captivity is simply one of the most wonderful albums ever. I trudged 6 >miles through the snow to a small folk club attached to a pub near weston super >mare to see Roy play. >Found out the gig was sold out so went into the pub for a pint and warm up next >to the fire before trudging home again. I was chatting to my fellow walker >about being so close yet so far from seeing the man. When squadron leader Roy >Harper ( dressed in flying jacket and white scarf) steps in in and says >"we'll if you;ve walked 6 miles to come and see me, you can walk in with me, >you are my roadcrew for the night, you'll not pay, you can sit down the front, >the only thing I ask is that you build the joints good and strong when I giv e >you the nod". >We walked in and sat at the front ( crosslegged ) and a lump the size of >jupiter landed on my lap to the words " i think its going to be a good night, >pass it round !", and nodded in my direction..... > >Later after the gig i bought a copy of Born in Captivity and got the man to put >his name to it... its still played in Ferguson Towers to this day.... simply >stunning. > >iain > > > >Z E Itgeist wrote: > >> Agreed, not one of his best, but Work of Heart, the suite, is still a >> marvellous piece. And "Elizabeth" is an understated classic Roy sez; >> >> "'Born in Captivity' and 'Work of Heart' used to be two separate albums. I >> can remember having cause one time to ask my good minder, Darren Crisp, >> which record of mine he would recommend to someone who had never heard me >> at all. I was expecting to hear something like 'Stormcock' or 'Valentine', >> or half a dozen others, but he came straight back with 'Born in Captivity'. >> I was very surprised. >> >> I had the chance of listening to the record again some time later. I >> brought some new ears with me into the experience. What I heard was what >> I'd last heard. An almost quaint little album made entirely by Roy and >> entirely at home. No other musicians involved. >> >> It brought back all the fonder memories of the period. A period when my son >> Ben was a little boy playing in the farmyard. Getting snowed in for the >> best part of a week one year. Green Woodpeckers in the garden. If you are a >> musician you will know the story well: it was the demo for 'Work of Heart' >> that eventually everyone liked just as well if not more. It's gentler, >> less 'produced' and quite obviously made at home. >> >> So; I was still finding my feet after the EMI years when 'Work of Heart' >> was made. Perhaps I don't have the right attitude to the album because of >> the trauma of losing the above house to Barclays Bank at the time. But >> never mind, I can proudly say that I was one of the first casualties of the >> eighties recession! It was a chaotic period and one that I don't care to >> remember that often. >> >> I have not until recently paid much attention to video, and I guess had I >> done so then my career would have been more visible. In that context it is >> worth remarking here that my performance at Glastonbury was video taped in >> 1982. >> >> Tony Franklin, who played bass with me at the time made a comment to me >> recently to the effect that the only visual recording of the most complex >> piece of music that I ever wrote was recorded by a sound crew who obviously >> couldn't hear a thing! Mike Mansfield has shown it on 'Q the Music' >> recently, (again). I think that I managed to find myself a suitable place >> to hide and cringe that night. C'est la vie. One day I'll re-dub it. There >> is no doubt in my own mind that the early eighties were the nadir of my >> life in music." >> >> >>>> >> OFF: Roy Harper query >> >> In message <200111112137.QAA23973 at listserv.spc.edu>, Z E Itgeist >> writes >> >> >NP Roy Harper - Born In Captivity 2CD >> >> 2CD eh? I have the original vinyl LP, but what else is on the CD? Is the >> second CD the "Work of Heart" album? (BiC largely being the demos for >> that- and personally I much prefer the demos, WoH is easily Harper's worst >> album I've always thought) Or is it something else? >> >> thanks in advance >> -- >> Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 12 10:18:23 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:18:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Roy Harper query Message-ID: Thanks Stuart and Iain for the reminiscences and info. Funnily enough I was once allowed into one of Roy's gigs by the man himself too- I was trying to get in through the wrong door and found myself backstage where Roy kindly guided my friends and I into the audience. Didn't get assigned the duties you did though! Every home should indeed have at least half a dozen Harper albums, and Born In Captivity should probably be one of them, but Work of Heart is for the diehards only IMHO. I tend to recommend "Stormcock" and "HQ" for new listeners although "Born In Captivity" is a neat idea too. On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:04:56 -0500, Z E Itgeist wrote: >Bear in mind my comments re Roy are in context of a huuuuuuuuuge Roy fan, >and that everything he has done is of merit. Every home should have at >leat half a dozen Roy albums, and those who don't should be up against the >wall come the revolution. From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Mon Nov 12 10:28:19 2001 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:28:19 +0100 Subject: HW:Toad link? Message-ID: I received the 3 albums from the Swiss band Toad this morning; thanks to akarma records, the box set has a poster and a booklet within, and inside, it is mentioned that guitarist/leader Vic Vergeat was " a part of the original formation of hawkwind, of which he separated himself for musical differences with their leader, Dave Brock, at the moment they recorded their first album." If people on the list have listened to Toad ( a power blues trio) , just imagine what would have resulted in the association with Lemmy... Does anyone has more information on this facts? Olivier -- Olivier Boigey _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Hawkzone : http://www.bwaje.com/hawkzone Samandari : http://www.bwaje.com/samandari/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 12 12:22:35 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:22:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow Message-ID: Andy, Add me to the list for the CD Dave -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 November 2001 09:08 Subject: Re: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow >Sadly something really unexpected has cropped up that I can't get out of, so >I won't be at Glasgow - sorry to those I miss - would have liked to have met >you. >However, I WILL be at Edinburgh, pub and all, and providing the Bedouin >album arrives, I will be delivering some to Alan, but also I will bring some >for anyone who may have ordered it and wants to take it back with them on >the night - saves postage and we can charge you the day after anyway. >So, have a good one there and see you tomorrow. >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Z E Itgeist" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:25 PM >Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow > > >> If anyone needs more info on where and whe meets are my mobile will be on >Monday and Tuesday up till show time. >> >> Mobile is 07966-389657 >> >> Just heard privately that Mr Quimbys Beard will no longer be at the >Edinburgh show:-( Bad news for those of us excited by the reports coming >back from the USA. > From dave.bunn at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Nov 12 14:19:37 2001 From: dave.bunn at NTLWORLD.COM (Babylon Hythe) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:19:37 -0000 Subject: I can get smug here! Message-ID: Hello All, It turns out that I seem to be the only person on the list that knows who the mystery Grob is! (Snortwind member found on a tape at Andy G? s) I used to not only DJ with him in a collective called Brainbox Pollution (we did festivals, Benefits, Concerts etc) but I also used to share a house with him when I was at college in the East End of London. His real name is Graham Robinson (hence Grob, it was a nickname given to him inadvertently by a teacher that couldn?t read his name on an essay) He is/was a driving member of the ?the Dub Sound of I-Shen? (damn good dub in the tradition of the Mad Professor) We also used to run the Boston Roadhouse together, (a concert hall in Tufnell Park, North London) I was the manager, he was the chap that booked groups. He also appears on the fairly obscure Imperial Pompadours LP, playing (brace yourselves) an inflatable rubber chicken. I am surprised that no one else knows him or is aware of him on this list, he is a hardcore HW fan, and has a VAST collection. (and I do honestly mean vast, 15 years ago his entire collection was a named item on the household contents insurance and valued at way over ?1000 ? I cant remember the true figure. His non HW material took over most of the rest of the house) Sorry about the delay in getting this to the list, but I was a tad behind with the HW mails, I read nearly 1000 over the weekend! Which brings to one or 2 points: 1) Space patrol by Gerry Anderson was called Space Precinct actually. 2) In the crap 80?s group argument/discussion (which I don?t want to start again, but ) why did no one mention Black Lace? Dave PS, The Hawkwind webring and the Space Rock Awareness webring both need more sites to sign up, if your website vaguely fits in with either then please join up, details at my (not yet finished) site at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.bunn/index.htm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 12 15:14:29 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:14:29 -0500 Subject: Lemmy can do no wrong Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:27:17 -0000, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Lemmy can do no wrong. > >Even the stuff he did with that band of smelly hippies (can't remember >their name) was pretty good... :-))) Sam Gopal's Escalator? ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Mon Nov 12 15:07:03 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:07:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived Message-ID: Hi ya, > > >Hmmm, it seems to me less good audio quality wise than QEH (but then its > > >only cd quality not vynal quality) > > > > But thanks the effort Steve.. > > Man I just listened to it again... I just can't believe the original is only a chrome cassette! No chrome tape hiss! I suddenly realse you must have gone to a LOT of trouble. Damn near perfect! I forgot about that, and you'r dead right, I can't hear anything wrong with the guitar on Acid Rain at all:-) > > sheesh.. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris -- If only one could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment without having to accomplish anything. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 12 16:25:40 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:25:40 EST Subject: Lemmy can do no wrong Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/2001 3:14:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << Lemmy can do no wrong. > >Even the stuff he did with that band of smelly hippies (can't remember >their name) was pretty good... :-))) Sam Gopal's Escalator? ;^) >> Not smelly enough...try again;) Best regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 12 16:44:54 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:44:54 EST Subject: RON TREE/CAPT RIZZ Message-ID: Anybody have any contact with these guys? Let me know...off list ..or have them contact me. Best regards, Bill Stewart From cea at CARLAZ.COM Mon Nov 12 17:40:16 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:40:16 +0000 Subject: OFF:Motorhead t-shirts In-Reply-To: <149.46ec47c.2920e2a0@aol.com> Message-ID: Well, I've got a few T-shirts, having seen them a few times since I "discovered" Motorhead in 1992 or 1993 or so (following closely on the heels of Hawkwind). And I've got most (though not all) the albums as well :) Shoot, some I've bought more than once, when the Castle remaster series came out and all! 1992 or 1993? So sue me ;) I'm just not that old yet, but I'm working on it every day :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Nov 12 18:51:36 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:51:36 -0500 Subject: BOC-11/11/01 Message-ID: Yeah,what a show!! Ribfest St.Pete,Fl. 9 hours of ribs,beer & music. main attractions(besides the beer): Spencer Davis Band:yeah that Spencer Davis,and boy does he rock...played the old SDG stuff,and some bluesy numbers too. Good tight band. Foghat(RIP Lonesome Dave):Just not the same without Dave,but still a good kickass live band.New singer/guitar player really works hard. Ladies & Gentlemen,from Long Island,New York,BLUE OYSTER CULT!! and the crowd goes wild.What a killer show. here's what i can read of my notes on the setlist,unfortunately,this was outside,in a crowd of bopping people,in the dark,so a coupla tunes I can't figure out what the hell i wrote;and since beer was flowing for a goodly time,can't much remember the individual songs.... but here's what i got: Stairway to the stars ??? E.T.I Pocket Harvester of Eyes Burning For You Cities On Flame ??? Joan Crawford Came The Last Days Of May Godzilla W/bass solo(including a few bars of Hendrix's `3rd Stone From the Sun' followed by drum solo Buck Solo-doing his Buck thing...into Don't Fear the Reaper encore Dominance & Submission All in all,a very enjoyable day (esp. for $6). Thought the band played really well, especially thought Danny & Bobby fit in real well. Nice Logo hats for $20,nice COtHM t-shirts for $20 also. But the best deal of the nite were the copies of COtHM cds,autographed for $20 !! What a great show,wish they'd come around more often. ps-my wife didn't like them,but of course she's a big Journey fan,so it would figure!! tim From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 12 23:55:54 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:55:54 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/01 4:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > I'm sorry - I am writing this because of a past venture I did which no-one > here ever got to hear about and which, without knowing where I'm coming from > on this, is clearly causing more confusion than it's making sense - on this > thread, just imagine I never said anything and carry on. > On second thoughts, even that doesn't make sense - I wish I never started on > this one.............. > Andy G. No hard feelings, Andy! I sorta get yer thought. I mean, I could play more un-official live material, but I don't have much; I mean, for one thing, they're re-issuing these as official albums like crazy these days, w/Hawkwind. And my other favorite, Zappa, well, there you've had the Beat the Boots and all the offocial live albums for ages anyway...it just makes the idea of going to the trouble of getting bootlegs seem a bit pointless...not that I wouldn't be interested eventually...but it already takes enough time to process all the official albums. Another thing is that I've not gotten many promos lately. I think maybe bands or labels have sent discs, and then if I don't play 'em immediately maybe think I wasn't into 'em. truth is, there's the ol' proverbial backburner, and I eventually try to justify my obtaining freebies. Now that I'm less emotional, and more analytical, let me just mention that enjoying the show on a personal level is vital for me, playing the occasional less format-fitting stuff i.e. the Mothers special...I'll admit that was a bit indulgent on my part, but i have to break my own rules now and then to keep it interesting for myself...plus, as I'd noted, I'd just seen the "Grandmothers" the previous night and wanted to do something for them...and Keith, I know you've only heard "Freak Out!", but you may be surprised at how well some tracks might fit on a space-rock show such as "Inca Roads" off One Size Fits All...and maybe when listening to Freak Out! you never made it to "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet", definitely a precurser to HW-styled space-rock I think...not that'd you like it necessarily...) ...uh...anyway...promotion _is_ a concern for me as well, regarding SDNC. One of the reasons I get a bit down at times is that even when I do get repsonses, no one's ever said "hey, I tried to buy that album after hearing it on your show"...and that would seem the only way to be certain that you're helping these groups get a few extra bucks now and then. oh well...actually a local did call just this week while listening to Upsilon Acrux and seemed pretty bent on getting the album, so... enough on that then... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 13 00:11:01 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:11:01 EST Subject: HW: Laser's Edge/EMI-Remaster CD's Message-ID: Thanks again to Keith for his message to the list about a week ago...I finally have four of the five remasters (the one they don't have is the ST'd) on the way! They were $12 each, except Space Ritual, which was $13...ha. The impossible has happened and I finally have the remasters, wow...plus a copy of RC's "Hype" for only $6! I don't know why, but the impossible has happened... I know I'm five years late and I gotta get Spacebrock, the new one, etc, but...I'm five years late on everything... A little query: When you buy albums such as these, which I assume aren't used or promo/cut-outs (though I could be wrong there)...from a legimate store/dealer such as Laser's Edge...do the "composers", even with the discs marked down so drastically, still get royalties? Chuck From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Nov 13 01:46:08 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:46:08 -0500 Subject: HW: new website Message-ID: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page... (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html) ...has been updated as follows: 1. Slightly less annoying layout on several pages 2. Some minor mistakes corrected (e.g. chords to Paradox & Psi Power on tablature page) 3. Gig Review links retitled to show name of gig (duh!) 4. New photo added to Croydon gig review page 5. New photo added to Canterbury gig review page 6. Guitar photo added to Dave Brock Guitar Stuff page 7. New Photo Gallery 3 - pics from Canterbury 8. New Photo Gallery 4 - pics from Croydon 9. More comments on the Guestbook (Miscellaneous page) including an excellent one from Nils, whoever he may be... ALL the new photos were supplied by Chaoslord, who was on IRC earlier. Cheers Chaoslord, if you're reading this. I plan to add a Rogues Gallery page, so email your mugshot to me if you want to be included. Already got one of Keith Barton, ha ha ha ha!!! Monsieur Le Duc, could you repeat your previous kind deed and forward this on to the Yahoo Hawkwind Group? Thanks... Steve a.k.a Starfarer/Moonglum/Mooongluum From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 13 02:39:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:39:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: HW: Quarkspace-Drop Message-ID: Hey Folks... OK, this is only marginally HW-related I suppose, but... Anyway, as you may have seen in earlier posts, Quarkspace's latest full-length studio effort 'Drop' is being distributed in a non-traditional way - i.e., it's being offered for free via the internet and whatever other means there are. So that means that anyone can go to www.quarkspace.com and download the music as mp3's and burn up your own copy. Of course, that takes some amount of effort and a certain level of computer/modem sophistication, and then you still have a 'compressed' music product. Soooooo, for those here that would rather receive the real thing [Chuck, here's your promo chance. :) ], I have a 'real' CDR copy of 'Drop' and will now solicit names/addresses for receiving CDR copies. The usual - henderson.120 at osu.edu. I haven't started burning them up yet (I thought I was gonna need some more 80s, but I just now took another look, and it's actually on a 74 which is convenient), but will start real soon. I don't know how many I'm going to do, I'll wait to see how many folks respond and decide if a full tree is warranted or not. And if a lot of European folks write in, I might ask for some people with burners to act as branches over there. Again, I'll send only a single disc without jewel case or anything, which will cost me about 80 cents in postage (domestic) and 26c per CDR (since I buy them in 100 or so). Hence, I again won't be asking anything in return - if I send out 10 or so, I'm out $10, big deal. If someone wants to send me something in return, that's cool, but I won't expect it. It's *really* a damn good album I must say. The most consistently-good Quarkspace album IMHO, and three tracks that are just brilliant (Starbridge Freaks II and III, and Pavlovian Causeway). It's their usual 50:50 mix of pseudo-folksy vocal tracks (with new female singers on some) alternating with wild cosmic freakouts. The finale is an extended jam with Thom the World Poet (of Family Gong and Strange Dazes past) adding his peculiar lyrical wordpoems. I've put the track-by-track lineup since Paul called in so many other guests. Including Greg Kozlowski of Architectural Metaphor (who I guess are still active to some extent with someone replacing Deb Young) and Steve Hayes of Star Nation. (Ah, *there's* the Hawkwind link!) There's cover art up on www.quarkspace.com, but it seems only to be a front cover for a booklet. I think I might try to take the info below and some other simple graphics and put together an image file or two to make a tray card and more complete booklet with the cover art. I'll let you know what I come up with and where it would be on the web in due time. You'll need to print out your own inserts 'cause I can't even make color ones for myself. Well, start sending me your info (please indicate: Willing/Able to Burn for others? Yes/No). I lost a whole crapload of old emails so even if you just sent me your address for other reasons, don't expect me to still have it. Keith H. (aka Grakkl (FAA)) henderson.120 at osu.edu Quarkspace: Drop Chet Santia Jay Swanson Paul Williams Stan Lyon Steve Hayes Greg Kozlowski Bevin Lynch Thom the World Poet Matt Kearns Kendra Lewis Cameron Tummel The Bonnydoon Players of Santa Cruz The new studio CD, released into the public domain, feel free to copy and distribute this music for non-commercial purposes. CD-r's of the true mastered CD will be available through various traders. Recorded 2000-1, Eternity's Jest Studios, Starbridge Freaks, OH. All songs by Quarkspace, except 12 Quarkspace/Woodruff. Copyright 2001 Eternity's Jest Records, Inc. Cover Art by David Gulotta. Used courtesy Beverly Zook. 1. Spinnin Chet Santia: Guitar, Vox Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar, Bass 2. Starbridge Freaks 2 Chet Santia: Bass Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Loops, Synth, Keyboards, Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar 3. Sound Inside You Chet Santia: Bass, Vox Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Loops, Synth, Keyboards, Drumming, Vox Stan Lyon: Guitar Bevin Lynch: Vox Kendra Lewis: Vox 4. Pavlovian Causeway Chet Santia: Bass Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Loops, Synth, Keyboards Stan Lyon: Guitar Steve Hayes: Synth, Samples Greg "Aashwaan" Kozlowski: Synth 5. The Storm Chet Santia: Vox Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Synth, Keyboards Stan Lyon: Guitar Bevin Lynch: Vox 6. Newton's Dream Chet Santia: Bass Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Synth, Keyboards, Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar Matt Kearns: Guitar 7. Drop Out From the World Chet Santia: Vox Jay Swanson: Synth Paul Williams: Synth, Keyboards, Vox Stan Lyon: Guitar Bevin Lynch: Vox Kendra Lewis: Vox 8. Vazt Chet Santia: Bass, Vox Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Loops, Synth, Keyboards Stan Lyon: Guitar Steve Hayes: Samples, Synth 9. Bonnydoon Chet Santia: Bass, Loops Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Synth, Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar Bonnydoon Players of Santa Cruz: Percussion 10. Starbridge Freaks 3 Chet Santia: Bass Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth, Loops Paul Williams: Synth, Keyboards, Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar 11. The Lie Chet Santia: Guitar, Vox Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Drumming Stan Lyon: Bass 12. Blanket Hill Chet Santia: Bass, Loops, Percussion Jay Swanson: Keyboards, Synth Paul Williams: Synth, Keyboards, Drumming Stan Lyon: Guitar Thom the World Poet Woodruff: Poetry Steve Hayes: Synth Greg "Aashwaan" Kozlowski: Guitar, Synth Cameron Tummel: Percussion From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Mon Nov 12 16:22:52 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:22:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube Conceived In-Reply-To: <3BF02BE7.B65E9BA8@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:07:03 +0000, you sent through the ether: >I forgot about that, and you'r dead right, I can't hear anything wrong >with the guitar on Acid Rain at all:-) The tape ran out halfway through Acid Rain.. ;) I had to "recreate" the last half from the rest of the song.. there's 2 days hard labour just there.. I reckon the reason there are tiny "gaps" at the end of the tracks is because of the MP3 encoding, the originals make a seamless live CD with the ability to skip between tracks, (Written in DAO mode natch) there must be a degree of "rounding down" then "rounding up" in the compression codecs.. Or something.. :) -S. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 04:40:10 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:40:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead News Just In Message-ID: Tim wrote: > Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > > > tell the truth: who among us disagreed with his couplings with > > the nolans > > sam fox > > wendy o > > ozzy/slash > > even robbo? > > > > he'll survive your disapproval. i still think if you respect the guy, you'll > > reserve judgement until you hear it... > couplings...????...i thought that had to do with sex(maybe wendy o(rip)& sam fox, > but surely not the rest???...i shudder to think (cogito ergo shudder) > tim Has he really coupled with ALL of the Nolans? Phew! f rat From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 05:33:07 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:33:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Nic Potter Message-ID: Mountain music was the 1st, and was dead good. I got blue zone later, and was less impressed, although ISTR there was a london gig, did anyone go? Huw was definitely on those 2. Mike w > -----Original Message----- > From: mike c [mailto:deltawave at METRONET.COM] > Sent: 09 November 2001 21:27 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Nic Potter > > > <<"Two LPs? What/when was the one that wasn't _Blue Zone_?">>Jon J > > Hi Jon, apparently it's a bunch of them- if this is wrong > please correct- > > Mountain Music, Sketches In Sound, Dreams In View (a comp, I > think), The > Blue Zone, The Blue Zone Party-live at the dome, and The Long > Hello Volume > 2.... > > I can imagine he plays on just the odd track here and there- > any expanding > on the above appreciated..... > m c > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 04:53:10 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:53:10 +0000 Subject: Tour set list?? Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans, Can anyone who has seen a show on the tour post a set list or something close to it? I'll be at the Newcastle gig with friends - see yez there. Cheers peeps F. Rat From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 13 06:15:45 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:15:45 EDT Subject: HW: Laser's Edge/EMI-Remaster CD's In-Reply-To: <3f.199f593.29220565@aol.com> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2001, at 0:11, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > A little query: When you buy albums such as these, which I assume > aren't used or promo/cut-outs (though I could be wrong there)...from a > legimate store/dealer such as Laser's Edge...do the "composers", even > with the discs marked down so drastically, still get royalties? > Good question. It depends upon the contract. Some musos have to allow the label to distribute promo records without royalties. But get this--some contracts make the musos actually foot the bill for the promo records that are then given away! Nobody makes a buck from a major label deal--except the label, of course... theo From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 15:31:15 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:31:15 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour Message-ID: well i've managed to get the time of work so i'm off to see hawkwind in cardiff, brighton and finally walthamstow. After reading whats been posted i can't wait to see hawkwind play live again! Look out for me i'm the skinhead down the front with the tie dye hawkwind t-shirt on! Btw has anyone got any pics of Simon house playing keyboards on this current tour? cheers Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 15:53:01 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:53:01 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW:Tour Set List - Leeds Message-ID: My original post was rejected - looked too much like a listserve command according to the 'return' message. Anyone ever had anything similar? and here's the setlist as requested, hope its not too late!! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: mark von bargen To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: HW:Tour Set List - Leeds ok: set list for leeds lighthouse levitation spiral galaxy moonglum brainbox pollution wind of change angels of death (outro'd by dave as 'angels of life') the watcher motorway city hurry on sundown hassahn i sabbha (including space is their... break) encore: assault & battery golden void ejection From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue Nov 13 15:58:25 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:58:25 -0700 Subject: HW: FW: Artist Shop Newsletter Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Gary Davis [mailto:artshop at artist-shop.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:50 AM To: artshop at artist-shop.com Subject: Artist Shop Newsletter Hi, folks: Today's newsletter deals with the latest in general import news. Let's get right to it starting with future import releases which you'll find at ..... HAWKWIND-BRING ME THE HEAD OF YURI GAGARIN $14.95 Mid-price reissue of 1983 live album. ..... More news coming soon! Spread the word! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 13 15:59:37 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:59:37 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW:Tour Set List - Leeds Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:53:01 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >My original post was rejected - looked too much like a listserve command >according to the 'return' message. Anyone ever had anything similar? Not personally, but certain words are always red flags with list management software (lots can't handle a line that begins with the word "s-u-b-s-c-r-i- b-e"). >Mark >----- Original Message ----- >From: mark von bargen >To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:33 PM >Subject: HW:Tour Set List - Leeds > > >ok: The next two words are probably the culprit (they DEFINITELY look like they could be a listserv command): >set list for leeds ... and "setting" the list to something is probably an admin-only function that you're not authorized for. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com >lighthouse >levitation >spiral galaxy >moonglum >brainbox pollution >wind of change >angels of death (outro'd by dave as 'angels of life') >the watcher >motorway city >hurry on sundown >hassahn i sabbha (including space is their... break) >encore: assault & battery > golden void > ejection From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 13 16:42:55 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:42:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Where in Cardiff? Message-ID: Hi, Anybody got any idea where the Coal Exchange is in Cardiff and how to get there ? I'll be coming down the M50 from Birmingham. Cheers, Jez From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 13 17:41:10 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:41:10 EST Subject: HW: new website Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/01 1:46:30 AM US Eastern Standard Time, sjyoules at VISTO.COM writes: > Starfarer's Hawkwind Page... > > (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html) > Great site! Joe From mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue Nov 13 18:02:20 2001 From: mr_ship at BELLSOUTH.NET (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:02:20 -0500 Subject: FW: Artist Shop Newsletter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh, no, not THAT one again!!! That price is mid-priced? For that horribly recorded piece of sub-par bootleg dreck, the price should be $2.99 with a mail-in rebate of $2.99. (I _really_ don't like it...) I think that this recording has done more to turn OFF new HW listeners than anything else. It just keeps coming back, while the really good ones that need to be out there are MIA. Life is not fair... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of KevinSommers > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:58 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: FW: Artist Shop Newsletter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Davis [mailto:artshop at artist-shop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:50 AM > To: artshop at artist-shop.com > Subject: Artist Shop Newsletter > > > Hi, folks: > > Today's newsletter deals with the latest in general import news. > Let's get > right to it starting with future import releases which you'll find at > > > ..... > > HAWKWIND-BRING ME THE HEAD OF YURI GAGARIN $14.95 > Mid-price reissue of 1983 live album. > > ..... > > > More news coming soon! Spread the word! > > Gary > > > ************************************************************** > Gary Davis > The Artist Shop The Other Road > http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com > phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 > INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! > ************************************************************** > Artist Shop Radio > Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at > http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Nov 13 18:18:20 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:18:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day, Jethro Tull/Thick As A Brick Message-ID: What with the recent Motorhead noise here and the wrestling argument, I dredged through my memories and came up with what follows - long boring old-fart type ramblings, you have been warned... Previously - >> I got flak for championing 'Another Perfect Day' when it came >> out, but I stood by it then (and now) - its a shame Brian >> didn't manage to stay longer with the band. > >wow......my 'crowd' loved it; still do... My crowd liked prog AND metal AND punk (AND folk AND soundtrack music AND electronic music AND bar bands AND etc. - we liked what we thought was good, screw 'genre' and those who tied their musical identity to any one limited type of music or herd-approved group of artists - but sometimes you had better be prepared to explain WHY you thought it was good) and most of them loved APD too, but we overlapped with other crowds, including some comprised of militant militia-type metalheads, some 'pure punk' adherents, some NYHC cadres. The metal/punk-only groups were pretty hostile to APD when it came out, for a few reasons I think - first, Fast Eddie had left and ANYBODY new would probably have faced resistance, after all, he pretty much helped define the MH sound - second, the previous album was Iron Fist, probably their LEAST musical release up to that point, and not coincidentally a favorite with the punks - and finally, and probably most importantly, the fact that BR was playing that synth-guitar thingy. At this time, anything remotely synth was anathema to the aforementioned purists - even a relatively above-ground band like Iron Maiden trumpeted 'no synths!' on their releases, and ludicrous terms like 'sellout' and 'commercial' were freely tossed around in relation to APD which was where we got into our disagreements. Then MH came to NYC in '83 on the APD tour and did a 3-night stint at LAmour, and we all went out for that, even the detractors. No question, Brian ruled the stage on the night I was there, synth-guitar, shorts, and all. To their credit, many of the nay-sayers ate their words after that, and even the hardcases muted their criticism - it was a storming set of gigs. I later acquired a boot tape of one of those shows (unfortunately not one from the night I was there) - so the memory of that time hasn't faded. I might be wrong but I think the CD 'King Biscuit Flower Hour presents Motorhead' may have some tracks on it from that gig as well. And if you'd like to get a taste, go to the official Motorhead site (imotorhead.com) - the Tour Through Time section is currently featuring 45 minutes of live Motorhead w/ Robbo from '83 recorded in Zurich Switzerland. As for wrestling/crossover - well, the other night I heard Thick As A Brick coming out of the TV in the other room, rushed in, and saw a car (Hyundai) commercial. Thick As A Brick! Now, I'm not someone who wants artists to be 'pure' and eschew commercialism or the pursuit of cash, but TAAB! Silver Machine, divorced from context, actually makes sense as a car sales tool. Motorhead is aggressive enough, musically and lyrically, that it fits with wrestling, even if you don't particularly like the fact that Lemmy has decided to associate himself with lowest-common-denominator entertainment. I've heard Locomotive Breath used in a beer commercial - and there the gap between the song and the purpose of the commercial begins to get noticeable, but LB regularly appears on Greatest Rock'n'Roll Riffs lists, so party on - but with TAAB that gap becomes a chasm! Ian & co. were (usually) way too intelligent to make sweeping social pronouncements or try to pass themselves off as having any kind of 'answer' - most of their songs were metaphor-heavy examinations of personal experience or storytelling vignettes that might illuminate a particular aspect of society without (again, usually, side 2 of Aqualung being an exception) explicitly voicing righteous indignation or criticism - but TAAB! I wonder what the man who wrote TAAB in the early 70's would have said if told that some 30 years later it would be used to sell cars on TV. He would probably have thought it a great joke and approved. TAAB! Damn! I am perplexed. I know I shouldn't be but I can't help it. I don't know what to thick. I mean think. Stephan From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 13 18:53:07 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:53:07 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day, Jethro Tull/Thick As A Brick Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/2001 6:11:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: > Then MH came to NYC in '83 on the APD tour and did a 3-night stint at > LAmour, and we all went out for that, even the detractors. No question, > Brian ruled the stage on the night I was there, synth-guitar, shorts, and > all. To their credit, many of the nay-sayers ate their words after that, and > even the hardcases muted their criticism - it was a storming set of gigs. well, i'm the guy who originally wrote 'my crowd loved it when it came out, still do'; but let me clarify i was talking about the lp, not the tour... I was at lamour 2 of the 3 nights, and was very disappointed. who cares about the friggin' shorts the guy wore; the guitar synth was simply not meant to be amplified at full Moto-Volume. The sound was terrible, as it was at the living room in providence, ri a few nights later. when he played that freaking thing my fingers went to my ears. also, as is well-documented in many places---he wouldn't learn much older material, resulting in a 25 minute set, which is just a plain-old rip-off for us punters money-wise, and a let-down for those who wanted to hear the staples. and i'm a big robbo/lizzy fan, too, excited as i was to see the guy play, it sucked. so the lp is great; a decidedly 'left-field' offering but an important and interesting one...but based on the 3 shows i saw, the tour sucked. bobm From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Nov 13 18:56:53 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:56:53 -0500 Subject: Artist Shop Newsletter Message-ID: actually,i think i DID pay $2.99 for my copy of Yuri..and i enjoy listening to it even with the not greatest sound (i've heard worse!!) tim Craig Shipley wrote: > > Oh, no, not THAT one again!!! That price is mid-priced? For that horribly > recorded piece of sub-par bootleg dreck, the price should be $2.99 with a > mail-in rebate of $2.99. (I _really_ don't like it...) > > I think that this recording has done more to turn OFF new HW listeners than > anything else. It just keeps coming back, while the really good ones that > need to be out there are MIA. > > Life is not fair... > > Ship > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of KevinSommers > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:58 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: HW: FW: Artist Shop Newsletter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary Davis [mailto:artshop at artist-shop.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:50 AM > > To: artshop at artist-shop.com > > Subject: Artist Shop Newsletter > > > > > > Hi, folks: > > > > Today's newsletter deals with the latest in general import news. > > Let's get > > right to it starting with future import releases which you'll find at > > > > > > ..... > > > > HAWKWIND-BRING ME THE HEAD OF YURI GAGARIN $14.95 > > Mid-price reissue of 1983 live album. > > > > ..... > > > > > > More news coming soon! Spread the word! > > > > Gary > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > Gary Davis > > The Artist Shop The Other Road > > http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com > > phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 > > INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! > > ************************************************************** > > Artist Shop Radio > > Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at > > http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm > > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 13 18:59:50 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:59:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Where in Cardiff? In-Reply-To: <011401c16c8c$e0632620$3a2d883e@jezd>; from Jeremy@DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:42:55PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:42:55PM -0000, Jez Dacombe wrote: > Anybody got any idea where the Coal Exchange is in Cardiff and how to get there ? > I'll be coming down the M50 from Birmingham. http://www.ents24.com/web/venue/1408/Cardiff/Coal+Exchange.html -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From nycademon at HOME.COM Tue Nov 13 19:06:51 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:06:51 -0700 Subject: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011113231820.0070ab88@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: Well, thanks to the chit chat chit chat about Motorhead, I ordered the new spiffed up _Overkill_ and _Another Perfect Day_ CDs from Amazon. Got to listen to them today. Listening to _Overkill_, I felt like I was meeting with an old friend, and swapping stories over a pint of Guinness. What a great album. Listening to _Another Perfect Day_ was like meeting an old friend who arrives with a couple cases of Guinness, a bottle of Black Label, and a bazooka, for a bit of "target practice". :-) Okay, bad analogy, but hopefully you get the idea. I have NO idea why anyone who likes Motorhead would not like this album. _Another Perfect Day_ is IMHO what heavy metal is all about (right up there with _Sound of White Noise_ by Anthrax and _Master of Puppets_ by $elloutica, and better than both). Guido From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Nov 13 19:03:38 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:03:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull/Thick As A Brick Message-ID: Stephan Forstner wrote: > As for wrestling/crossover - well, the other night I heard Thick As A Brick > coming out of the TV in the other room, rushed in, and saw a car (Hyundai) > commercial. Thick As A Brick! Now, I'm not someone who wants artists to be > 'pure' and eschew commercialism or the pursuit of cash, but TAAB! Silver > Machine, divorced from context, actually makes sense as a car sales tool. > Motorhead is aggressive enough, musically and lyrically, that it fits with > wrestling, even if you don't particularly like the fact that Lemmy has > decided to associate himself with lowest-common-denominator entertainment. > I've heard Locomotive Breath used in a beer commercial - and there the gap > between the song and the purpose of the commercial begins to get noticeable, > but LB regularly appears on Greatest Rock'n'Roll Riffs lists, so party on - > but with TAAB that gap becomes a chasm! Ian & co. were (usually) way too > intelligent to make sweeping social pronouncements or try to pass themselves > off as having any kind of 'answer' - most of their songs were metaphor-heavy > examinations of personal experience or storytelling vignettes that might > illuminate a particular aspect of society without (again, usually, side 2 of > Aqualung being an exception) explicitly voicing righteous indignation or > criticism - but TAAB! I wonder what the man who wrote TAAB in the early 70's > would have said if told that some 30 years later it would be used to sell > cars on TV. He would probably have thought it a great joke and approved. > TAAB! Damn! I am perplexed. I know I shouldn't be but I can't help it. I > don't know what to thick. I mean think. > Stephan Well Stephan,perhaps the message is this... You'd have to be thick as a brick to buy a hyundai... drink too much beer and wake up with locomotive breath!! tim From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 13 20:08:20 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:08:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:53:07 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >I was at lamour 2 of the 3 nights, and was very disappointed ... >the guitar synth was simply not meant to be amplified at full Moto-Volume. >The sound was terrible, as it was at the living room in providence, ri >a few nights later. when he played that freaking thing my fingers went >to my ears. It's probably worth mentioning that in 1983, guitar synth technology was definitely NOT "ready for prime-time". Maybe in the studio, but not onstage. There were probably some VERY pissed-off (or fired) roadies/techs on that tour. (I'm sure many would argue that the guitar synth STILL doesn't belong onstage, but I'd counter that whether or not you like the sound/technique, at least they've worked out most of the technical glitches by now. And it DOES sound cool on APD.) >also, as is well-documented in many places---he wouldn't learn much >older material, resulting in a 25 minute set, which is just a plain-old >rip-off ... This is often a problem with getting someone "famous" to join your band (either that, or the drummer wanting to bring a gong and play an extensive solo). Although I love Ian Gillan's story about being mistaken for Ronnie James Dio because he was crouched down on the stage, trying to read "War Pigs" out of his book of Black Sabbath lyrics through all the dry ice fog! -Doug (who owns more Motorhead albums than t-shits, but APD isn't one of them) jasret at mindspring.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 02:52:09 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:52:09 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/10 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed (I'm serious about this part!) from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: Thanks to everyone who responded re: the Big Bitch last week. I feel a little better now... :) 11/10 1.Guru Guru-- "Girl Call" (UFO/Spaceship: Best of Pt. 1; Cleopatra) 2.Vocokesh-- "Ispepnaibara Pt. 2" (Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil) 3.Hawkwind-- "You Know You're Only Dreaming" (1999 Party Live '74 Chicago; EMI) 4.Melting Euphoria-- "Leylines from Azimuth" (Upon the Solar Winds; Cleopatra) 5.Upsilon Acrux-- "Zerpents" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 6.Yeti-- "Est Mort" (Things to Come...; Two Ohm Hop) 7.Escapade-- "Crawlspace" (Remembrance of Things Unknown; Mother West) 8.Amy Denio-- "Wind Up" (Iamaphotographer comp; Plain) 9.Popul Vuh-- "Vuh" (In dem Garten Pharaohs; Celestial Harmonies) 10.Faust-- excerpt from "Tapes" (ReR) 11.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Meet the Light Child" (Geologist; Catsup Plate) 12.Muz-- "On the Sun" (Banana in Portugese; Tekito) 13.Hawkwind-- "Some People Never Die" (Church of Hawkwind; Griffin/EBS) 14.Guild Navigators-- "Cult of the Rotating Cross" (Phase 1: '91-'97) 15.Scattered Planets-- "Hal's Lament/Slaves to the Machines" (Drinking w/Aliens) 16.Mushroom-- title track (Foxy Music; Innerspace) 17.Frank Zappa/Mothers-- "Sun Village" (Roxy and Elsewhere; Rykodisc) 18.Capt Beefheart/Magic Band-- "The Blimp" (Trout Mask Replica; Warner Bros) (requests for family members ...sorta...) 19.Hawkwind-- "Earth Calling/Born to Go" (Space Ritual; EMI) 20.The Sonics-- "Psycho/Money" (Meet the Sonics!!!; Norton) 21.Motorhead-- "Motorhead" (Motorhead; Attic) 22.Pink Floyd-- "Interstellar Overdrive" (Piper at the Gates of Dawn; Harvest/EMI) (...ya had ta be there...) 23.Brick-- "We Don't Wanna Sit Down " (you shoulda heard whitey back-announce this sucker...from the album "Brick"; Bang Records) 24.Thin Lizzy-- "Johnny the Fox Meets Jimmy the Weed" (...he actually announced this one first...from "Johnny the Fox"; Mercury/Polydor) 25.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band-- "Tropical Hotdog Night" (Shiny Beast ) "Self-indulgence allows you to indulge others..." thanks, Chuck From cea at CARLAZ.COM Wed Nov 14 03:20:47 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:20:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day, Jethro Tull/Thick As A Brick In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011113231820.0070ab88@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: IIf I wrote some music as was going to get paid for it to go on a wrestling show or a car advert, well I'd laugh all the way to to the bank! :) OK ... I wouldn't go to the bank, I'd blow it on beer and music as usual :) But I'd certainly laugh while doing so :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com/ From dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 14 05:12:46 2001 From: dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM (Dewi Thompson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:12:46 -0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Hello all, I've finally got over a fantastic night in Manchester on saturday, I haven't seen HW play like that for a LONG time. I must admit, I was surprised by how many really young people that were there, and not just a bunch of wrinklies like me. And for me the highlight was an absolutely amazing version of the Watcher. I never dreamt the song could sound like that! Anyway, I've got a question which has probably been asked before, but I'll ask anyway. Why do so many HW songs turn up with different names on various albums and tours? I daresay there's a very good reason, but can someone explain? cheers Dewi From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Wed Nov 14 05:32:20 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:32:20 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Off the top of my head......... Hassan I Sahba - Assasins of Allah Sweet Mistress of Pain - Kiss of the Velvet Whip Angels of Life - Angels of Death Over the Top - The Awakening Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning Martian Stomp - Iron Dream -----Original Message----- From: Dewi Thompson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 14/11/01 05:12 Subject: HW Changing song titles Hello all, I've finally got over a fantastic night in Manchester on saturday, I haven't seen HW play like that for a LONG time. I must admit, I was surprised by how many really young people that were there, and not just a bunch of wrinklies like me. And for me the highlight was an absolutely amazing version of the Watcher. I never dreamt the song could sound like that! Anyway, I've got a question which has probably been asked before, but I'll ask anyway. Why do so many HW songs turn up with different names on various albums and tours? I daresay there's a very good reason, but can someone explain? cheers Dewi Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 14 05:39:31 2001 From: dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM (Dewi Thompson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:39:31 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Yeah, but why? Surely they're not just being perverse?... > Off the top of my head......... > > Hassan I Sahba - Assasins of Allah > Sweet Mistress of Pain - Kiss of the Velvet Whip > Angels of Life - Angels of Death > Over the Top - The Awakening > Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning > Martian Stomp - Iron Dream > > > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 06:01:38 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:01:38 -0000 Subject: HW: brief note - Glasgow and Edinburgh Message-ID: Just to say that this is a very tight, together and unremittingly loud Hawkwind! Glasgow was good and the Glaswegians were mightily impressed - one guy staggering past stopped in front of me - raised his fist towards my face and then, just as I feared the worst, stuck his thumb up and said in the thickest Glasgow accent I ever heard "this is a fucking great band". There was, however, far too much distortion (I mean high pitched white noise fuzz) being generated by the speakers for me to fully appreciate the sound there though and I thought the gig was very good but not spectacular in way that something *extra* should grab you in the perfect gig. However Edinburgh was much better. Somehow the sound seemed to come together really well and pulled you through the set. I'd been really afraid the Liquid Rooms wouldn't be able to cope since the previous time they played there it was a disaster but this time it was excellent and standing behind the mixing desk was near perfect! Huw's guitar got lost occasionally and they came on stage lateish in Edinburgh (about 9pm) which meant everyone was standing around a bit since Mr. Qimby and co. didn't turn up but they played Spirit of the Age as part of the encore which made up for it! Set list was the same as previous but with no Ejection in the encore in either Glasgow or Edinburgh and the addition of Spirit of the Age at Edinburgh. I'm told that Keith Kniveton will be joining them from Cardiff onwards. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 14 07:24:54 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:24:54 +0300 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: > Hassan I Sahba - Assasins of Allah > Sweet Mistress of Pain - Kiss of the Velvet Whip Angels of Life - Angels of Death - the "song" itself was titled angels of death Over the Top - The Awakening - a lot of differences Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning - completley different song Martian Stomp - Iron Dream - another conception Golden void - void of golden light A&B - Lives of great men copyright reasons? Alisa From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 07:35:45 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:35:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung MP3's Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:09:42 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >can be found here.... > >http://www.krautrocknet.com/autobahn/mp3autobahn3.htm > >Grakkl (FAA) I'd never heard of Farflung before I joined this list. After seeing them mentioned repeatedly I checked out some MP3's on mp3.com and was sufficiently impressed to hunt down a copy of "So Many Minds.." which finally arrived a few days ago. It's excellent, a high-power fusion of krautrock rhythms and Sabbath-style rifferama, definitely the rawer end of the spacerock spectrum. Two minor gripes: their cover of "Future Days" isn't up to much IMHO - surprised they chose that one, it doesn't really suit their style- I can imagine them doing "Yoo Doo Right" -although everyone does that one I guess- or maybe "Full Moon On The Highway". But tamper with the classics at your peril, oh ye who are young and headstrong. The other criticism - why do they insist on having the vocals so low down in the mix? It's not a bad little gimmick at first but on the more song- based pieces it seems a waste to have barely audible vox, especially when the lyrics are not bad (high praise from me) in a weird space UFO mythology kind of way. Anyway, griping aside, it's an excellent CD. "Raven That Ate The Moon" is stunning in its full-length form: I'd only heard a truncated 4 minute MP3 before. And "Mother Orbis" is some of the best space/kraut jamming I've heard. Do they ever play in the UK? Also, whenever FF are mentioned here, people who like them make reference to some 25 minute track that should be avoided at all costs. This of course makes me want to hear it. What is it and why does it fill you all with horror? cheers NM From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 07:54:09 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:54:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/Another Perfect Day Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:08:20 -0500, Doug Pearson wrote: > -Doug (who owns more Motorhead albums than t-shits T-shits?? Must be tough on the r-sole! Not to mention the u-bend. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 14 09:22:55 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:22:55 +0800 Subject: HW: new HW dvd Message-ID: Hi I think it might be the Classic Rock Legends DVD, which was the Live Legends video. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: HW: new HW dvd > Hello! > > ...was surfing through amazon.co.uk and found this: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RDLG/qid=1005555945/sr=1-3/re > f=sr_sp_re/026-6970953-1990018 > > Yule Ritual dvd? > > Recently in a chat there was mention about coming Yule dvd. > > cheers, > Alisa > From dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 14 09:45:55 2001 From: dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM (Dewi Thompson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:45:55 -0000 Subject: HW Live Chronicles recording date Message-ID: Does anyone know what nights on the Chronicles tour Live Chronicles was recorded? I saw 3 nights on that tour, including 1 night at the Hammy Odeon, so I've got to be on there somewhere! cheers Dewi From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM Wed Nov 14 09:50:23 2001 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:50:23 +0100 Subject: AW: HW Live Chronicles recording date Message-ID: Hi >Does anyone know what nights on the Chronicles tour Live Chronicles was >recorded? 03.12.1985 04.12.1985 Both in the Hammy Odeon, London Bernhard Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. 2. If you as intended recipient have received this e-mail incorrectly, please notify the sender (via e-mail) immediately. This e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. DSM does not guarantee that the information sent and/or received by or with this e-mail is correct and does not accept any liability for damages related thereto. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 14 10:27:46 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:27:46 +0800 Subject: The Hawkwind Chronicles Message-ID: Hi all anyone heard any news about the Hawkwind Chronicles book (http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkwind_chrons.html) that was to be released some time back? Maybe it would be an idea to do it on CD-Rom if they are having publisher problems. William From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 10:34:26 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Meteor City deal Message-ID: Hey there... meteorcity.com is offering some freebies for anyone who buys $50 of regular merchandise. From the list below, I'd recommend the three that I already have (caveat on availability given below also)... 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Thanks for your time, Dan Beland (AKA El Danno) All That's Heavy on StonerRock.com http://www.stonerrock.com/store/ath.asp From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 10:40:53 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:40:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Meteor City deal Message-ID: Hey there... >meteorcity.com is offering some freebies... >http://www.stonerrock.com/store/freebies.asp In case there was any confusion... stonerrock.com is the mail order outlet for meteorcity.com, which is the issuing label (stoner rock's main home now that Kozik/Man's Ruin folded). The two 'merged' a year ago or so, so they are essentially the same entity these days. Or so I believe. Grakkl (FAA) From wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET Wed Nov 14 12:34:14 2001 From: wjbell at MAIL2.GIS.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:34:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November Message-ID: I just had VH1 classic playing in the background last night, and they had a Two for Tuesday thing going on. To my surprise 'Burning for You' started up, so I knew to stick around to see what was coming after as well. Having never seen the BfY video before I was kinda freaked out by it. Buck looks particularly odd in his gold body suit, and what's with all the random people wandering around in the background? Allen was shown playing guitar through the whole thing even though the track is keys-heavy. Joe just looks scary. Then came the second video, a live one of Reaper, which was labelled as coming from "Some Enchanted Evening!" (note the exclamation point). I haven't seen Live 1976 for a while but I don't think it was edited from that. Buck was in white, playing a wooden-bodied guitar, Allen could be seen in the background playing two keyboards, Eric was off to one side and I didn't hear an e-bow (only sustain on several slowly ascending notes where the e-bow would normally be). Joe looked particularly muscly, very like in Live 1976. Anybody else seen these? I'm wondering how often they're rotated on the channel so I can try to tape them and thought I'd let people know that BOC still seems to have a video presence. W. Bell From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Nov 14 13:01:24 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:01:24 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Dave Brock once said this was for "publishing reasons". Two possible scenarios come to mind: 1. Retitled song is significantly different to original, e.g. Mask of the Morning sounds totally different to Mirror of Illusion. I don't have the 1st album in front of me, but suppose for the sake of argument that Mirror of Illusion was originally credited to Brock/Turner, and Dave Brock later re-used the lyrics in a new musical setting. Assuming that he originally wrote the lyrics and Turner came up with (some of) the music, the new song is all Brock's and none of it is Turner's. So it gets a new name and is credited solely to Brock. 2. Problems with old publishing companies. Let's say the band are in dispute with the publishing company they were using in the early 70's and they redo an old song. Instead of issuing it under the old name, the new version gets a new name and publishing rights are assigned to the new publishing company. Such disputes are not unknown, as the writing credit of Calvert/MacManus on Silver Machine goes to show! ------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:12:46 -0000, Dewi Thompson wrote: >Anyway, I've got a question which has probably been asked before, but I'll >ask anyway. Why do so many HW songs turn up with different names on >various albums and tours? I daresay there's a very good reason, but can >someone explain? > >cheers >Dewi From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 14 12:02:29 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:02:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20011114121621.009ecec0@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2001, at 12:34, Warrick Bell wrote: > I just had VH1 classic playing in the background last night, and they > had a Two for Tuesday thing going on. To my surprise 'Burning for > You' started up, so I knew to stick around to see what was coming > after as well. Having never seen the BfY video before I was kinda > freaked out by it. Buck looks particularly odd in his gold body suit, > and what's with all the random people wandering around in the > background? Yes, but the 'Buck Rogers' outfit was standars issue for BD during those days... Allen was shown playing guitar through the whole thing > even though the track is keys-heavy. Joe just looks scary. Then came > the second video, a live one of Reaper, which was labelled as coming > from "Some Enchanted Evening!" (note the exclamation point). I > haven't seen Live 1976 for a while but I don't think it was edited > from that. Buck was in white, playing a wooden-bodied guitar, Uh...aren't most guitars made out of wood? Even the Steinbergers BD plays today have a wood body, but with a carbon fiber neck... Allen > could be seen in the background playing two keyboards, Eric was off to > one side and I didn't hear an e-bow (only sustain on several slowly > ascending notes where the e-bow would normally be). regadrding the e-bow. BD used one during Godzilla those days, though I'm not sure if he still does today. EB indeed did use the e- bow at the end of DFtR... theo From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Nov 14 13:26:42 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:26:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Spare Hitchin Ticket In-Reply-To: <200111141801.NAA08710@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Having gone through all the hassle of getting tickets it know looks like I have a spare. If anyone's interested mail me at rdc at rdcdesign.com Cheers, Richard. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 13:23:20 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:23:20 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Steve said... >2. Problems with old publishing companies. Let's say the band are in >dispute with the publishing company they were using in the early 70's and >they redo an old song. Instead of issuing it under the old name, the new >version gets a new name and publishing rights are assigned to the new >publishing company. Such disputes are not unknown, as the writing credit >of Calvert/MacManus on Silver Machine goes to show! Right...and as has been mentioned many times before, Hawkwind has done this by either retitling the tracks, or in some cases retitling the "authors" as with MacManus above. And Mandelkau being used in place of Turner (Kadu Flyer) - though someone here suggested that Mandelkau was a real person that presumably Nik knew, right? And Linda (ne? Steele) Moorcock being credited with the lyrics to 'Arrival in Utopia' so that Michael would get paid, which he didn't think would happen if the publishing co. knew it was him that was being credited since there had been some previous dispute. Or some such thing... Grakkl (FAA) From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 14 13:36:31 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:36:31 +0100 Subject: The Hawkwind Chronicles In-Reply-To: <010601c16d20$ea17bd90$11cf3bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: Hi At 23:27 14.11.2001 +0800, you wrote: >anyone heard any news about the Hawkwind Chronicles book >(http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkwind_chrons.html) that was to >be released some time back? I think that something bad happened to Adrian Parr Have not heard from him for 11 Months Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 14 12:54:38 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:54:38 EDT Subject: theremin In-Reply-To: <200111141840.NAA20199@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I've seen some mention of these gizmos here before, so I thought some folks might like to know that they are now, apparently, readily available. Elderly Instruments is selling something called the Etherwave Theremin, autographed by Bob Moog himself! List price is 400 bucks, but likely discounted somewhat. Includes '...a documentary video on Theremin virtuoso Clara Rockmore, an instructional video...and a guide on customizing your Theremin...' theo From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Nov 14 14:05:37 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:05:37 -0800 Subject: theremin Message-ID: You can also get one, in kit form, from PAIA Electronics, a wonderful synth & effects company that's been around forever. Go to http://www.paia.com and there's a link for the Theremax on the front page. This is more than just a traditional theremin, it can also be used as an analog controller (CV), and has square wave output as well as sine. I've played with one before, pretty cool. It's also a lot cheaper than the (very fine) Moog unit... scorch From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 13:54:54 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:54:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Changing snog titles Message-ID: Ah, crap.... How could I have missed the obvious??? (Thought about the last word there too, but decided in favor of decorum.) Grakkl (FAA), who imagines that public snogging may now be legal in the streets of Kabul P.S. About accomodations in Torquay...is Fawlty Towers still open for business? Or Fatty Owls or whatever it was... From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 14:23:03 2001 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:23:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20011114121621.009ecec0@mail2.gis.net> Message-ID: Warrick Bell wrote: >ith all the >random people wandering around in the background? Allen was shown playing >guitar through the whole thing even though the track is keys-heavy. Joe >just looks scary. Last time I saw them live (18 months ago at The Astoria,London) Allen was definitely playing guitar - there were no keys on that song, at least in the live version. -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com "It's a fine line between stupid and clever" - Spinal Tap From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Wed Nov 14 14:37:06 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:37:06 -0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung MP3's In-Reply-To: <200111141235.HAA05798@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Farflung's 'The Belief Module' has to be one of my all-time favourite albums. Well worth the price... if you can find a copy. Richard. > I'd never heard of Farflung before I joined this list. After seeing them > mentioned repeatedly I checked out some MP3's on mp3.com and was > sufficiently impressed to hunt down a copy of "So Many Minds.." which > finally arrived a few days ago. It's excellent, a high-power fusion of > krautrock rhythms and Sabbath-style rifferama, definitely the rawer end of > the spacerock spectrum. Two minor gripes: their cover of "Future Days" > isn't up to much IMHO - surprised they chose that one, it doesn't really > suit their style- I can imagine them doing "Yoo Doo Right" -although > everyone does that one I guess- or maybe "Full Moon On The Highway". But > tamper with the classics at your peril, oh ye who are young and > headstrong. > The other criticism - why do they insist on having the vocals so low down > in the mix? It's not a bad little gimmick at first but on the more song- > based pieces it seems a waste to have barely audible vox, especially when > the lyrics are not bad (high praise from me) in a weird space UFO > mythology > kind of way. > > Anyway, griping aside, it's an excellent CD. "Raven That Ate The Moon" is > stunning in its full-length form: I'd only heard a truncated 4 minute MP3 > before. And "Mother Orbis" is some of the best space/kraut jamming I've > heard. Do they ever play in the UK? > > Also, whenever FF are mentioned here, people who like them make reference > to some 25 minute track that should be avoided at all costs. This > of course > makes me want to hear it. What is it and why does it fill you all with > horror? > > cheers > > NM > From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 14:39:57 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:39:57 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles/Manchester Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/01 10:12:40 AM GMT Standard Time, dewi4 at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > > Hello all, > > I've finally got over a fantastic night in Manchester on saturday, I > haven't seen HW play like that for a LONG time. Me too I must admit, I was > surprised by how many really young people that were there, and not just a > bunch of wrinklies like me. > Why, thank you. Steve }:-< From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 14 13:57:11 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:57:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2001, at 19:23, Tim Hall wrote: > Last time I saw them live (18 months ago at The Astoria,London) Allen > was definitely playing guitar - there were no keys on that song, at > least in the live version. -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com > Last I saw them [about a month ago] Allen only played keys on a couple songs. Buck's Boogie was one. Come to think of it, EB didn't play keys much either. And Allen played quite a few leads on the 6-stringer... theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 14 15:02:47 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:02:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: theremin Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:54:38 EDT, Ted Jackson wrote: >I've seen some mention of these gizmos here before, so I thought >some folks might like to know that they are now, apparently, readily >available. Elderly Instruments is selling something called the >Etherwave Theremin, autographed by Bob Moog himself! List price >is 400 bucks, but likely discounted somewhat. Includes '...a >documentary video on Theremin virtuoso Clara Rockmore, an >instructional video...and a guide on customizing your Theremin...' ... more info from the manufacturer at: http://www.bigbriar.com/ (also info on the soon-to-be-released upgraded Minimoog "reissue") -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 14 15:22:22 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:22:22 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:32:20 -0500, Jobson, Eddie wrote: >Off the top of my head......... > >Hassan I Sahba - Assasins of Allah Or just "Assassins", as on 'Love in Space'. >Sweet Mistress of Pain - Kiss of the Velvet Whip >Angels of Life - Angels of Death >Over the Top - The Awakening Yeah, but the "Over the Top" part (the ruminations on microphone stands and WWI) is separate from "The Awakening" part. >Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning >Martian Stomp - Iron Dream I think that "Iron Dream" is the winner: "Matrian Disco Stomp" (live c.83/84 w/Nik lyrics) "The Dream Has Ended" (Business Trip) "Are You Losing Your Mind" (Alien4, w/Ron lyrics) Or what about "Welcome to the Future"? "This Future" (Business Trip) "Welcome" (Love in Space) Also, "the Dream is just beginning", the instrumental version of "You Know You're Only Dreaming" on 'The Business Trip' (or did I mix up the titles for that and the version of "The Iron Dream" on the same album?). So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct songwriting credits? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 15:41:42 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:41:42 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/01 8:22:54 PM GMT Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: > What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct songwriting > credits? Live Chronicles. Gutter Cat. From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Nov 14 16:14:08 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:14:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups In-Reply-To: <01d101c16790$8cffa400$e6b13bcb@freeaqua>; from freeaqua@IINET.NET.AU on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:25PM +0800 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:25PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Skye Klad is the only band listed I've heard of. Never listened to them > though. I wasn't excited by their earlier material that I've heard, but on their latest album they do a cover of "Swords of a Thousand Men" that absolutely had me jumping around the room. If it's any indication of their current sound, I'll definitely be checking them out. Steve From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 14 16:16:00 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:16:00 +0100 Subject: OFF:Gong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gong gig coming up here soon, do anyone out there have a set-list for the current tour ? Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 14 16:32:28 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:32:28 +0300 Subject: test Message-ID: test From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Nov 14 16:43:43 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: >"Where I come from, no one smiles >Every inch exists in miles >Still it's cool, relaxed and calm >Sitting here on the funny farm" > >Is sung on all the Motorhead versions of the song I've heard (as well as >the one cover I'm aware of). Yep, and if you listen to 'The 1999 Party' you will hear that Lemmy was already singing this verse with Hawkwind in '74. Also, a note on Yule Ritual - the tracklist really surprised me at first - Flying Doctor, Free Fall, High Rise - Space is Deep, Damage of Life (with '89 intro no less), Hurry on Sundown! Then nagging choirs of memory and a search through the archives reminded me of the fact that the band had solicited requests - so kudos to Dave for asking at all, to the fans for avoiding the usual suspects, to Dave again for abiding by the fans' wishes, and especially to the band as a whole for learning the pieces and doin such a bang-up job with them. Stephan From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Nov 14 16:35:32 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:35:32 -0700 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <200111142022.PAA10185@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Uh, maybe the next one? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:22 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW Changing song titles > > >> > So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: > What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct > songwriting credits? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 16:30:30 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:30:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: >Gong gig coming up here soon, do anyone out there have a set-list for >the current tour ? Not sure, but it might be similar to what they were doing last year, which was something like the tracklist from Live 2 Infinitea....as follows... Foolefare Zeroid Madalene Infinitea The Mad Monk Zero the Hero & The Witch's Spell Bodilingus Inner Temple Yoni on Mars Tropical Fish Invisible Temple Selene But then I have a live show from Japan 4/2001 that has much of this stuff (if not all) and then also "Radio Gnome", "I Am Your Pussy", "You Can't Kill Me," and the whole "Flute Salad/Oily Way" bit, then "Inner Temple," then "Master Builder/Om Riff" I think. I can't remember if Theo gets to do his own "Flute Salad" or not...which 'one' are you getting on sax/flute? No doubt a damn good show in any case. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The U. of Errors were recently doing 'Pretty Miss Titty' and 'And I Tried So Hard' both of which were excellent I thought, the latter especially. And also a half-speed version of 'Fohat Digs Holes in Space' which I referred to as "Slo-hat." Well, and other old non-Gong tunes like 'Stoned Innocent Frankenstein' and 'Mystico Fanatico,' which makes it seem like Daevid saves some tunes for one live outlet and other ones for the 'real' Gong. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 16:46:20 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:46:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: >On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 09:29:25PM +0800, Bill & Cynthia wrote: >> Skye Klad is the only band listed I've heard of. Never listened to them >> though. > >I wasn't excited by their earlier material that I've heard, but on >their latest album they do a cover of "Swords of a Thousand Men" that >absolutely had me jumping around the room. If it's any indication >of their current sound, I'll definitely be checking them out. Well, I don't actually have a copy of Skye Klad's officially-released album, but rather a CDR copy that I got from Adam himself, who unfortunately seems to no longer be in the band. So I can't be sure if what they released was different from what I have, but there's no 'Swords of a Thousand Men' on my version, and I don't have any idea what song this is anyway. It seems from context that you don't have a copy either (since you're uncertain of their 'current sound'), so where did you hear this track? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The one cover tune on Skye Klad's CD (Self-titled? though not their debut if you count the 'Extreme Vacuum Person' CDEP) is Low's 'Sleep at the Bottom' which is far more exciting than the one Low CD I own, albeit still a laidback dreamy piece. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 14 17:12:59 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:12:59 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:41:42 EST, Steve Johnson wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/01 8:22:54 PM GMT Standard Time, >jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: >> So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: >> What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct songwriting >> credits? > >Live Chronicles. More recent than that one (but not THAT much more recent). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 17:15:47 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:15:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: The Alice Cooper Trivia File: www.sickthingsuk.co.uk > >I wasn't excited by their earlier material that I've heard, but on > >their latest album they do a cover of "Swords of a Thousand Men" that > >absolutely had me jumping around the room. If it's any indication > >of their current sound, I'll definitely be checking them out. > > Well, I don't actually have a copy of Skye Klad's officially-released album, > but rather a CDR copy that I got from Adam himself, who unfortunately seems > to no longer be in the band. So I can't be sure if what they released was > different from what I have, but there's no 'Swords of a Thousand Men' on my > version, and I don't have any idea what song this is anyway. I think You are talking about two different bands guys. The `swords of 1000 men` Skyclad is a UK metal band who have released maybe 10 albums now.. Skye Klad are an American band I believe. Si From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Nov 14 17:56:06 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:56:06 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:32:20 -0500, Jobson, Eddie > wrote: > >Off the top of my head......... > > > >Hassan I Sahba - Assasins of Allah > > Or just "Assassins", as on 'Love in Space'. > > >Sweet Mistress of Pain - Kiss of the Velvet Whip > >Angels of Life - Angels of Death > >Over the Top - The Awakening > > Yeah, but the "Over the Top" part (the ruminations on microphone stands and > WWI) is separate from "The Awakening" part. > > >Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning > >Martian Stomp - Iron Dream > > I think that "Iron Dream" is the winner: > "Matrian Disco Stomp" (live c.83/84 w/Nik lyrics) > "The Dream Has Ended" (Business Trip) > "Are You Losing Your Mind" (Alien4, w/Ron lyrics) > > Or what about "Welcome to the Future"? > "This Future" (Business Trip) > "Welcome" (Love in Space) > > Also, "the Dream is just beginning", the instrumental version of "You Know > You're Only Dreaming" on 'The Business Trip' (or did I mix up the titles > for that and the version of "The Iron Dream" on the same album?). > > So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: > What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct songwriting credits? > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com Hey-nice try Doug this is really a trick question,right? tim From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Nov 14 18:26:48 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:26:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: Ha ha, that's right. I forgot they share a similar name with another band. Skye Klad are from Minneapolis, MN USA > I think You are talking about two different bands guys. The `swords of 1000 > men` Skyclad is a UK metal band who have released maybe 10 albums now.. Skye > Klad are an American band I believe. > > Si > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 18:25:36 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:25:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups (and more) Message-ID: Dan replies to Si with... >Ha ha, that's right. I forgot they share a similar name with another band. > >Skye Klad are from Minneapolis, MN USA > >> I think You are talking about two different bands guys. The `swords of >> 1000 men` Skyclad is a UK metal band who have released maybe 10 albums now.. >> Skye Klad are an American band I believe. Yeah, definitely a different band. Never heard of Skyclad (UK). Are they an original NWOBHM band (considering they have 10 albums or so)? There's also the Skyclad record/CD label that released Magic Muscle's '100 Miles Below' some time back. I think they were actually US-based weren't they? Are they still around? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Nice to hear Keith K. is due to be back in the fold....I was worried there for a moment. I still wonder about Tim though...even though I imagine that he has perhaps let the electronic world pass him by (don't really know for sure how accurate that is), I have always liked his style and his music. And even though some of the new album is udder rubbish, there a few tracks there (the ones at the beginning) that I quite like and restore my faith. And I don't mind his singing really either, even if he has a hard time even getting the right note. For me, Huw and Alan are the ones that I have the hardest time with, although that is very song-specific. (I see we all agree that Alan sux rox on "Ejection.") So what do people think of Alan Powell's voice? (Now heard on Nik's 'Transglobal F&R' for the first time that I'm aware.) P.P.S. I don't know if Farflung has ever played in the UK. I think Tommy is British, isn't he? (Or am I completely loopy on that one? I'm usually drunk when I've been near enough to hear him speak.) So I guess maybe he still has relatives there? And Farflung and especially Pressurehed have subdued vocals relative to the music, though on '25,000 Feet Per Second' (arguably Farflung's greatest work, which I can see others in fact do argue against) everything is subdued in the mix. Which really makes it hard to put a track from this album onto a CDR compilation without any volume control! From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 18:48:02 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:48:02 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/01 7:26:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning - completley different song > Same song, different arrangement. The version on 'Dawn of Hawkwind' is pretty good, too. Joe From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 18:59:44 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:59:44 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2001 1:41:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << Right...and as has been mentioned many times before, Hawkwind has done this by either retitling the tracks, or in some cases retitling the "authors" as with MacManus above. And Mandelkau being used in place of Turner (Kadu Flyer) - though someone here suggested that Mandelkau was a real person that presumably Nik knew, right? And Linda (ne? Steele) Moorcock being credited with the lyrics to 'Arrival in Utopia' so that Michael would get paid, which he didn't think would happen if the publishing co. knew it was him that was being credited since there had been some previous dispute. Or some such thing... >> You know toooooooo much...'swirly termination'...as they say on the Ozric station..always wanted to say that! o bill From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 19:08:22 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:08:22 EST Subject: HW: Late night in Birmingham Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/01 4:36:19 PM, stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: << Yep, and if you listen to 'The 1999 Party' you will hear that Lemmy was already singing this verse with Hawkwind in '74. >> ...And when this one saw 'em (and taped 'em) in philly 4/5/74, then too; Some of you HW tape collectors have this... "<>" ============= "I are the world and so are you and so are we and so are they so WHAT THE F*CK?" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 14 19:24:16 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:24:16 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:23:20 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Right...and as has been mentioned many times before, Hawkwind has done this >by either retitling the tracks, or in some cases retitling the "authors" as >with MacManus above. And Mandelkau being used in place of Turner (Kadu >Flyer) - though someone here suggested that Mandelkau was a real person >that presumably Nik knew, right? Yes, Jamie Mandelkau (or maybe Mandelkav) was an associate of the Deviants and part of the Ladbroke Grove crowd that Hawkwind, Pink Fairies, Magic Muscle, etc. etc. were involved with. "Jamie's Song" is named after him, and he's pictured with the rest of the Deviants posse on the cover of 'Disposable'. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a picture of him somewhere on Phil Frank's website. Oh, and my trivia question is not a trick one (believe it or not!). As has been mentioned, the credits on 'Live Chronicles' are/were entirely correct, but there's a more recent answer ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Nov 14 20:10:10 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:10:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mr Quimby's Beard non-appearance in Edinburgh Message-ID: [I'm posting this by request of Hardy from Mr Quimby's Beard. The band was there... but unfortunately just as fans/spectators.] Unfortunately due to the small stage at both Glasgow & Edinburgh, Mr Quimby's Beard were not able to support Hawkwind at either gig. We (MQB) will now be opening at this years Hawkwind Xmas 2001 party in London (Dec 20th) instead. On behalf of the whole Quimby camp I'd like to apologise to all who travelled to see us in Scotland and I hope you all still enjoyed the gigs regardless. Hawkwind were awesome and should not be missed on this tour. Thanks to all on this list for your continued support, see you all in London. Keep it Space.... Hardy (Mr Quimby's Beard) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Wed Nov 14 20:34:56 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:34:56 -0000 Subject: theremin Message-ID: But even cheaper is the virtual theremin... http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/playground/theremin1.shtml Cheers, Rich. NP. Whit Week Malarkey, from This Leaden Pall. By... Oh, you know.... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. McCartney" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Re: theremin > You can also get one, in kit form, from PAIA Electronics, a wonderful > synth & effects company that's been around forever. Go to > > http://www.paia.com > > and there's a link for the Theremax on the front page. This is more > than just a traditional theremin, it can also be used as an analog > controller (CV), and has square wave output as well as sine. I've > played with one before, pretty cool. > > It's also a lot cheaper than the (very fine) Moog unit... > > > scorch > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 14 21:22:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:22:22 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Doug offered... >Yes, Jamie Mandelkau (or maybe Mandelkav) was an associate of the Deviants >and part of the Ladbroke Grove crowd that Hawkwind, Pink Fairies, Magic >Muscle, etc. etc. were involved with. "Jamie's Song" is named after him, >and he's pictured with the rest of the Deviants posse on the cover >of 'Disposable'. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a picture of him >somewhere on Phil Frank's website. And a quick websearch reveals the following entities in existence credited to at least one (or two) particular Jamie Mandelkau(s)... Buttons: The Making of a President. True story of 'Buttons' who went from a rocker to President of the London Chapter of the Hells Angels. A very interesting read and illustrated with a few atmospheric photos of the time. Published by Sphere in 1971. This has got to be the 'right' one. -and- a TV script for Canadian TV (recent past, c. 1998) Life and Times of Liona Boyd (Documentary) Production Company: Random Factory Producers Group Inc., Toronto Producers: Gene Mascardelli, Jamie Mandelkau Director: Donald Shebib Scriptwriter: Jamie Mandelkau Broadcaster: CBC Financial Participation: $93,008 and as everyone knows, Liona Boyd is a classical guitarist and intimate 'friend' of Pierre Trudeau. :) Perhaps this ain't the same Jamie Mandelkau after all? But really, how many Jamie Mandelkau's could there be? Grakklkau (FAA) P.S. A brief mention of Mandelkau at Phil Freaks' site here... http://www.ibiblio.org/mal/MO/philm/pinkfairies/friendspf.html From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 21:48:53 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:48:53 EST Subject: OFF: new groups (and more) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/01 3:43:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Yeah, definitely a different band. Never heard of Skyclad (UK). Are they > an original NWOBHM band (considering they have 10 albums or so)? > No, they've released about an album per year since '90. Not at all your run-of-the-mill metal...lots of people have called 'em folk-metal (or folk-thrash, when refering to the earlier stuff). Mainly due to the regular presence of a violin. I kinda lost track of them since the mid '90s, but I heartily recommend "The Wayward Sons of Mother Earth" (the thrashier stuff, though still quite melodious), "Jonah's Arc" and especially "Prince of the Poverty Line". The vocals are on the harsh side, but not death-metal and like noone else's. All released on Noise Records (Europe). Also just as good are Martin Walkyier's (vocals/lyrics) orig. band's first two albums: Sabbat's "History of a Time to Come" and "Dreamweaver"...his voice hasn't been as powerful since... (not to be confused w/Japanse death/doom band Sabbat). > P.P.S. I don't know if Farflung has ever played in the UK. I think Tommy > is British, isn't he? (Or am I completely loopy on that one? I'm usually > drunk when I've been near enough to hear him speak.) He's from Glasgow. He told me some Mexican(s) gave him the nickname "Grenas" (add ~), but I don't remember the whole story...was also drunk (natch) and his accent is still a bit thick though I presume he's been living in the States since P-hed forming in '87...or earlier... >So I guess maybe he > still has relatives there? dunno... Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 23:25:34 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:25:34 EST Subject: OFF: WAS; Re: theremin// NOW; "Space and Mary Jane Trip" LP Message-ID: ...well over a year ago, I'd mentioned a late '60s japanese 'electronics' lp, "space and mary jane trip" , a copy of which I'd received from "Dr. Synth" somebody from BOC-L wrote me about it, and I said I'd have to root through my 2000+ cassettes, and try to find it... ...and last week I found it. Havent played it in years, but If that person, whose name eludes me, drops me a line off-group, perhaps I could send him a copy. I know the Doc was having probs w/his cassette deck at the time, and the other side of that tape (45 mins by the german band, Jane) had some speed 'imperfexions', but this must have been a very early album of its kind, silver apples and the early geo. harrison albums notwithstanding. Anyhoo, if'n you're out there..... "<>" "I are the world and so are you and so are we and so are they so WHAT THE F*CK?!" From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Wed Nov 14 23:37:36 2001 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:37:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: While I'm not sure exactly what songs appear in the current Gong tour, I do know that they have revamped the set. Also that some material from the Shapeshifter cd has made a return. Haven't heard from any tapers about this tour yet... Jeff From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Nov 15 03:37:28 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:37:28 +0100 Subject: Theremin Message-ID: I can recommend the BigBriar one (http://www.bigbriar.com is Bob Moog's company since late 70s). Allthough I've never tried one of the original RCA, and even less Leon Theremin's original theremin of the late 20s!, the BB Etherwave is said to be the closest there is to the original sound of the theremin. I can add that the sound is rich and deep - somewhere between a cello and a musical saw :-) it's not an easy instrument to play. that is, unless you go for the sound effects approach, DikMik style! I use mine for both melody and the latter, when i also use a tape echo (think pink floyd 'echoes' style sea gulls and then add a DikMik swooosj!). If you want to hit actual notes, i'd recommend: no coffee! one wink of the eye, and the tone alters---- i've only played two times live with a band, but i can tell you jaws were dropping! ('what IS that?!) http://home.no.net/zwentzen/garage2001/ all in all: that hands-on (or RATHER 'hands off'!) feeling, when playing the theremin, is well worth the money! (unless you go for the $3500 midi version(!)) best regards, ketil svendsen, norway ps. mine's a kit (less expensive!) from big briar. that way i could get it a true piano-shellac finish! :-) > Subject: theremin > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:54:38 EDT > From: Ted Jackson > I've seen some mention of these gizmos here before, so I thought[] From mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Nov 15 03:47:32 2001 From: mrvarley at UCLAN.AC.UK (Martin Roy Varley) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:47:32 +0000 Subject: BOC in UK 18 months ago?? Message-ID: Have I missed something here?!?! Last time I saw BOC (Astoria London) was summer 1998. I don't think they have toured / visited here since. Was hoping for 2001 but that isn't happening now. MRV >>> kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK 11/14/01 07:23pm >>> Last time I saw them live (18 months ago at The Astoria,London) Allen was definitely playing guitar - there were no keys on that song, at least in the live version. -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 15 04:13:10 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:13:10 +0300 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: > > Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning - completley different song > > > > Same song, different arrangement. > The version on 'Dawn of Hawkwind' is pretty good, too. Same TEXT, not music. From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 15 04:19:33 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:19:33 +0300 Subject: HW: new HW dvd Message-ID: > I think it might be the Classic Rock Legends DVD, which was the Live Legends > video. Sad, but it is... the catalogue number the same. From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 05:07:58 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:07:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local phenomenon. Alastair. From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 05:15:37 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:15:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: Naked Dancers ? nay, we've not had that kind of excitment in the west country since days of yore and the Bristol Bike show ( with Guanna batz in support) Mind i'm off to Cardiff tommorow and I hear the folk over there are a bit more continental ;-) iain Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local > phenomenon. > > Alastair. From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Nov 15 05:18:29 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:18:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: april 29th 200 they played this set in my hometown, Bergen (and what a grat show it was!!!) Next saturday they are back again!!! so by then i will post a set list... Radio Gnome direct broadcast - the usual intro foolefare zeriod radio gnome invisble yoni on mars bodilingus zero the hero and the witch's spell witch's song magdalene the mad monk you can't kill me flute sallad oily way (unknown) magic mother invocation/master builder (presentation of the band, encore:) tropical fish selene two of the tracks they even recorded (with a 4-track) for the live album of that tour... but they over-did the bass guitar a bit, i think. best, ketil svendsen, norway > > Subject: OFF:Gong > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:16:00 +0100 > From: Kenneth Magnusson > > Gong gig coming up here soon, do anyone out there have a set-list for > the current tour ? > > Kenneth From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 15 06:07:26 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:07:26 -0000 Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November Message-ID: I think he meant a guitar with a "natural finish", ie with the wood grain visible not painted over. On the Live 76 video, doesn;t Buck play a white guitar for most of the set until the encore where he play Reaper on a natural finish SG of some desription??? "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, gonna get DOOOWWWWNNNN to little Buck's Boogie!" Fantastic. That's how rock and roll _should_ be presented. Yesssssss. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" > Uh...aren't most guitars made out of wood? Even the Steinbergers > BD plays today have a wood body, but with a carbon fiber neck... From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Thu Nov 15 06:34:37 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:34:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gong In-Reply-To: <200111142147.QAA00385@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi, >Not sure, but it might be similar to what they were doing last year, which >was something like the tracklist from Live 2 Infinitea....as follows... [snip set-list] They're not playing that much stuff from 02Inf album on this tour (at least on the gig in Schweinfurt). They played perhaps 3 songs (Magdalene, Zeroid, Infinitea IIRC) from that album and a lot from the trilogy-albums (Inner/Outer Temple, I Am Your Pussy, IAOM Riff, Zero The Hero & The Witch's Spell, You Can't Kill Me, Radio Gnome Invisible, Flying Teapot). There were also some not so oftern heard songs in the set (Shapeshiter, Est-Ce Que Je Suis for example). The band's in top form (even better than last year, especially Mike H. and Gwyo) and don't miss them if you have the chance to see them live on this tour! (c)IAO D+R From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 15 06:45:13 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:45:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: I come back after a week and find answers to all my questions and more in my inbox! You guys are fantastic, thank you very very much. Brightened up my day and no mistake. Mr. Pond - those recordings are really good, the work involved was worth it. Just out of interest, what were you using to get that guitar tone? It reminds me of the lead guitar tone (Huw Lloyd Langton?) on an HW boot I once owned called Utopia 1984. It's very sinuous. It reminds me of something esle too, but I can't quite place it right now... On that note - I got in contact with a guy from this list about 3 years ago about that Utopia 1984 (can't remember his name: he was working at the BBC then, as was I), but not being a mad collector I had nothing of interest to swap with him for it. So I must offer this plea - can anyone get me a copy (tape, CD-R, vinyl, anything) of this recording? I'd actually pay cash money for it! Chris. From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 15 06:55:12 2001 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:55:12 +0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: According to Brian Tawn Jamie Mandelkau was the road manager for HW in ?75-?76. Juba And Mandelkau being used in place of Turner (Kadu > Flyer) - though someone here suggested that Mandelkau was a real person >that > presumably Nik knew, right? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 15 06:12:49 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:12:49 EDT Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 11:07, Chris Allen wrote: > I think he meant a guitar with a "natural finish", ie with the wood > grain visible not painted over. No shit! I was just breakin' balls... On the Live 76 video, doesn;t Buck > play a white guitar for most of the set until the encore where he play > Reaper on a natural finish SG of some desription??? Yes, the Reaper SG was made for BD by a fan. It's natural mahogany, multi-piece laminate made from a mold used to make car windshields! theo From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Thu Nov 15 07:19:48 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:19:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin - As Above so Below Message-ID: Just to let everyone know that the long-awaited Bedouin album is finally out - I'm listening to my comp copy right now - Andy G should have them in stock now, they'll also be on sale at the Hawkwind tour, and you can also get it by mail order from Ali (details at www.bedouinfo.com). Oh, and it rocks like a bastard. ;) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 15 07:45:13 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:45:13 -0000 Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November Message-ID: I shoulda spotted that, I forgot to whom I was replying ;?> I'm just not on my game this morning. Morning? It feckin' lunchtime, I really should wake up some! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson" > No shit! I was just breakin' balls... From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 08:27:35 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:27:35 +0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <200111150239.VAA26020@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111150239.VAA26020 at mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >Perhaps this ain't the same Jamie Mandelkau after all? Same guy I'm sure. The HW-connected one was a writer. Bob Calvert mentions him in that audio interview on Tim Gadd's site (sorry I don't have the URL). -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 08:34:23 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:34:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: new groups (and more) In-Reply-To: <200111142342.SAA29549@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111142342.SAA29549 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >I see we all agree >that Alan sux rox on "Ejection." Not me! ;-) I think he sings it quite well on Undisclosed Files (when his voice was rather different to how it is now) and I thought he did a reasonable job of it at Canterbury recently. Although- the best live Ejection I've heard was when Nik sang it at Croydon a couple of years ago. -- Nick Medford From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 15 09:16:37 2001 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:16:37 +0000 Subject: BOC: Two videos on VH1 Classic, 13 November In-Reply-To: <3BF26B65.9744.143F391@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: > regadrding the e-bow. BD used one during Godzilla those days, > though I'm not sure if he still does today. EB indeed did use the e- > bow at the end of DFtR... I've seen Buck using the e-bow on "Heavy Metal (the Black and the Silver)". But not recently! - Mike Godwin From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 10:06:55 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:06:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Hitchin- help!! Message-ID: After weeks of uncertainty as to whether I can make this gig, I can finally do it, but it's sold out! While I'm happy that the band are selling out so many venues on this tour, I want to go! Ideally need 3 tickets. Can anyone help? I've tried various online agencies but no joy. Otherwise I'll see some of you at Walthamstow. -- Nick Medford From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 10:52:32 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:52:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:45:13 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Just out of interest, what were you using to get that guitar tone? Same as I always use.. :) 1971 Gibson SG Deluxe into 1969 Marshall 100watt Super Lead & Orange 4x12 cab. Via one Boss DM2 Analogue delay, one Boss CE-2 chorus and a GE-7 Graphic with a slight lift on the 100,200,400,800 hertz channels I`m a simple man at heart.. I just got another '71 SG Deluxe *identical* to my first one ,so similar in fact that the bodies have identical grain patterns, I`m completely psyched my that.. sounds fab too.. Now to convince myself I need 3........ -S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 15 11:15:06 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:15:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Pond" > one Boss CE-2 chorus *That's* what I can hear. Cool. > Now to convince myself I need 3........ How much convincing do you need....? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 15 10:17:52 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:17:52 EDT Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: <8ro7vtsipj4o8om1mso80pmqvbfmmk4cau@4ax.com> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 15:52, Steve Pond wrote: > Same as I always use.. :) > > 1971 Gibson SG Deluxe into 1969 Marshall 100watt Super Lead & Orange > 4x12 cab. Via one Boss DM2 Analogue delay, one Boss CE-2 chorus and a > GE-7 Graphic with a slight lift on the 100,200,400,800 hertz channels > I`m a simple man at heart.. > > I just got another '71 SG Deluxe *identical* to my first one ,so > similar in fact that the bodies have identical grain patterns, I`m > completely psyched my that.. sounds fab too.. > How about some more details on the SG Deluxe? Was that the model with the controls mounted on a plate on the top of the guitar? Is it the one with 'Gibson' engraved on the pickup covers? Do you have any online pics of your SGs? theo [who own a '70 SG Standard--my first electric bought new and still in the collection!] From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 15 11:23:20 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:23:20 GMT Subject: HW: Liverpool In-Reply-To: Alastair Lee Sumner's message of Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: Alastair Lee Sumner writes: > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local > phenomenon. Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that occasion. IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was great to see again. Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... FoFP From iainferguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 11:30:35 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:30:35 +0000 Subject: Dublin gig, anyone going. Message-ID: I folks, I'm off to see the band in Dublin, anyone from the list going ? Have decided to use the seating arrangements at the venue this time round. I think standing maybe difficult once I've met my old mates over there Regards iain From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 11:36:33 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:36:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: <3BF3A461.17392.E869A4@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:17:52 EDT, you sent through the ether: >How about some more details on the SG Deluxe? Was that the >model with the controls mounted on a plate on the top of the guitar? >Is it the one with 'Gibson' engraved on the pickup covers? >Do you have any online pics of your SGs? Hi Ted, Yes, it`s the one with the semi circular scratch plate on the front with the controls on, they came with Bigsbys as standard, but both of mine have it removed, I like this model (Known in the trade as "The one they got wrong") because it has an ultra thin heck but a really thick heel, I bend the neck quite often so I like the extra strength this gives! ..boy would I look foolish if it snapped off mid gig.. I don`t have any pics online fearing that would be a touch self indulgent.. (hehe) ..but now you've asked you just know I`m going to do it.. My original had standard Gibson PAF humbuckers with no name engraved, I replaced the bridge one with a Dimarzio super distortion, which sounds great, the new one came with Dimarzios in it, some folks would have been annoyed about that, I was happy.. I`ll do an SG page later today, including the bizarre Black one I used on the QEH album.. -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 11:39:20 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:39:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:15:06 -0000, you sent through the ether: > >> Now to convince myself I need 3........ > >How much convincing do you need....? Erm.. none.. you just know if I see one I`ll buy it.. I`ve always wanted a bog standard pre '68 Cherry Standard with no Volute, a Lyre tailpiece, diamond marker on the headstock & trapezoid neck position markers.. there's a *lovely* one in town but it`s ?1750.. I`d be too scared to use it. -S. -Loves SG's.. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 15 10:55:37 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:55:37 EDT Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! In-Reply-To: <8er7vtsglu1lj0jh2lha9j42c924p7unib@4ax.com> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 16:36, Steve Pond wrote: > > > Hi Ted, Yes, it`s the one with the semi circular scratch plate on the > front with the controls on, Is this also the one with a Les Paul-style pickguard? Can't imagine why they did that? they came with Bigsbys as standard, but > both of mine have it removed, Wise move! My '70 had the lyre imprint vibrola, but I had that removed, and a stop tailpiece installed--years before I started doing my own luthiery. Just missed the non-volute neck, put it does have the headstock inlay you like and the crown inlays on the board... I like this model (Known in the trade as > "The one they got wrong") because it has an ultra thin heck but a > really thick heel, I bend the neck quite often so I like the extra > strength this gives! ..boy would I look foolish if it snapped off mid > gig.. > I believe the critique was that it [and mine] have the smaller neck tenon, theoretically limiting sustain and promoting weakness of the neck joint. I've never had any problems with mine... > I don`t have any pics online fearing that would be a touch self > indulgent.. (hehe) ..but now you've asked you just know I`m going to > do it.. Please do! > My original had standard Gibson PAF humbuckers with no name engraved, I thought PAFs disappeared around '66? > I replaced the bridge one with a Dimarzio super distortion, which > sounds great, the new one came with Dimarzios in it, some folks would > have been annoyed about that, I was happy.. Nothing wrong with 'em whatsoever. My old Hamer string-thru special has them and they're great... > I`ll do an SG page later today, including the bizarre Black one I used > on the QEH album.. > > -S. Cool! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 15 10:58:29 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:58:29 EDT Subject: HW: SG trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 16:39, Steve Pond wrote: > I`ve always wanted a bog standard pre '68 Cherry Standard with no > Volute, a Lyre tailpiece, diamond marker on the headstock & trapezoid > neck position markers.. there's a *lovely* one in town but it`s > ?1750.. I`d be too scared to use it. > Well, time to break some hearts here: I had a '61 SG Les Paul with the sidewise vibrato and PAFs, but I sold it because I was afraid to play it! So you probably made a good decision! theo From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 12:01:23 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:01:23 -0000 Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! Message-ID: Aaaarrgghh!! I've entered a timewarp! It's 1993 and I'm still working at The Guitar Magazine!!! Nooooo!!! :-) Cheers, Rich. (Who had to sell his Gibson Nighthawk a few years ago. Sob...) > > > > > > Hi Ted, Yes, it`s the one with the semi circular scratch plate on the > > front with the controls on, > > Is this also the one with a Les Paul-style pickguard? Can't imagine > why they did that? > > they came with Bigsbys as standard, but > > both of mine have it removed, > > Wise move! My '70 had the lyre imprint vibrola, but I had that > removed, and a stop tailpiece installed--years before I started doing > my own luthiery. Just missed the non-volute neck, put it does have > the headstock inlay you like and the crown inlays on the board... > > > I like this model (Known in the trade as > > "The one they got wrong") because it has an ultra thin heck but a > > really thick heel, I bend the neck quite often so I like the extra > > strength this gives! ..boy would I look foolish if it snapped off mid > > gig.. > > > I believe the critique was that it [and mine] have the smaller neck > tenon, theoretically limiting sustain and promoting weakness of the > neck joint. I've never had any problems with mine... > > > I don`t have any pics online fearing that would be a touch self > > indulgent.. (hehe) ..but now you've asked you just know I`m going to > > do it.. > > Please do! > > > My original had standard Gibson PAF humbuckers with no name engraved, > > I thought PAFs disappeared around '66? > > > I replaced the bridge one with a Dimarzio super distortion, which > > sounds great, the new one came with Dimarzios in it, some folks would > > have been annoyed about that, I was happy.. > > Nothing wrong with 'em whatsoever. My old Hamer string-thru > special has them and they're great... > > > I`ll do an SG page later today, including the bizarre Black one I used > > on the QEH album.. > > > > -S. > Cool! > > theo > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 15 12:21:47 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:21:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looking for Castle Communications website Message-ID: Anyone know if Castle Communications has a website? I did a search on Google and found a bunch of companies with that name, but none seems to be the label :-o Any help would be appreciated! Thanks. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 15 12:41:29 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:41:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: And Kris set her hair on fire at Newcastle ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool > Alastair Lee Sumner writes: > > > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met > > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox > > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at > > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the > > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was > > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local > > phenomenon. > > Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that > occasion. > > IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. > > Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was > great to see again. > > Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of > the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a > few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very > much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. > > That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... > > FoFP From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 12:51:04 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:51:04 EST Subject: OFF: Looking for Castle Communications website Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/01 5:22:06 PM GMT Standard Time, mvdbase at YAHOO.COM writes: > > Anyone know if Castle Communications has a website? > http://www.castlemusic.com Called Sanctuary music now. Steve. From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 14:13:14 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: Out of interest, this is the first HW gig in Liverpool that I have missed in 24 years (and I'm only 28, well, err 38). How full was the crowd at Liverpool? I love that venue, the Royal Court but haven't had a chance to get there yet since it reopened a few weeks ago following a major refit. I drove back from the Lakes on Sunday but then the M6 was closed following a crash and it took me 5 hours to do the journey. So near etc.. etc.. especially after persuading my wife to come home a night earlier than planned. Good to hear that the fine performance that I saw at Leeds has been consistently repeated. And sell-outs too, whats going on? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool > Alastair Lee Sumner writes: > > > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met > > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox > > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at > > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the > > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was > > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local > > phenomenon. > > Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that > occasion. > > IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. > > Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was > great to see again. > > Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of > the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a > few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very > much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. > > That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... > > FoFP From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Nov 15 14:24:29 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:24:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups In-Reply-To: <01c901c16d59$e99ecd20$0100a8c0@kermitz>; from sihalley@CABLEINET.CO.UK on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:15:47PM -0000 Message-ID: > > Well, I don't actually have a copy of Skye Klad's officially-released > album, > > but rather a CDR copy that I got from Adam himself, who unfortunately > seems > > to no longer be in the band. So I can't be sure if what they released was > > different from what I have, but there's no 'Swords of a Thousand Men' on > my > > version, and I don't have any idea what song this is anyway. > > I think You are talking about two different bands guys. The `swords of 1000 > men` Skyclad is a UK metal band who have released maybe 10 albums now.. Skye > Klad are an American band I believe. You're quite right. Something about seeing the name in print struck me as a little odd, but I didn't think much of it, never conceiving that there might be 2 bands, called "Skyclad" and "Skye Klad". ;-) The Brit outfit is the one I was thinking of. Their earlier material is a little too "growly" for me, but the song mentioned above is simply wonderful, and enough to make me want to give them another try. Anybody who likes Boiled In Lead (paging Carl!) or Metallica's cover of Newry Highwayman should love it. No reflection intended on the MN outfit, who as far as I know I have never heard...! Steve From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 15 15:17:38 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:17:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:45:13 -0000, Chris Allen wrote: >Mr. Pond - those recordings are really good, the work involved was >worth it. >Just out of interest, what were you using to get that guitar tone? One of the best examples of Steve's guitar tone can be heard on his song, "Bigfoot", from 'The Presidents Tapes' (which can, of course, be downloaded from the ICU website). Brilliant-sounding solo on that one! Friends who are NOT guitar nerds (but are avid listeners) have commented on the amazing guitar tone (and ripping solo) on that tune. Did ICU ever play that song live? (Maybe on the final tour w/Nazzer on bass?) MAJOR loss if they never did. >It >reminds me of the lead guitar tone (Huw Lloyd Langton?) on an HW boot >I once owned called Utopia 1984. It's very sinuous. It reminds me of >something esle too, but I can't quite place it right now... Hmmm ... SG through Marshall ... AC/DC maybe? ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 15 14:07:40 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:07:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Looking for Castle Communications website Message-ID: They don't exist under this name any more as they were taken over/absorbed by the Sanctuary Group and that is what it is all now under. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: OFF: Looking for Castle Communications website > Anyone know if Castle Communications has a website? > > I did a search on Google and found a bunch of companies with that name, but > none seems to be the label :-o > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Thanks. > > > > Alex. > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 15:50:59 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:50:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: <200111152017.PAA18313@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:17:38 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Did ICU ever play that song live? (Maybe on the final tour w/Nazzer on >bass?) MAJOR loss if they never did. Once.. and I couldn`t sing it for toffee.. total humiliation. and the solo on the record was a fluke, the engineer accidentally rubbed out the original solo, so I did that one in 2 mins during mixing.. my favourite solo by me is the live Quark at the Carlisle gig.. Just incase anyone thinks I`m being bigheaded you have to realise that I don`t play solo's because I can`t.. I`m rubbish at them.. no, really, it was ok, when I was the only guitar in ICU because I could do what I wanted, now I stand next to my Guitar hero Trev & feel completely foolish! >Hmmm ... SG through Marshall ... AC/DC maybe? ;^) I think not matey! Black Sabbath, Alcatraz (The Man offshoot not the US metal band), Brock in the late 70's, Deke Leonard, and Pete Townshend on Live at Leeds.. :) -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 16:06:30 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:06:30 +0000 Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! In-Reply-To: <3BF3AD39.21110.10AF70D@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:55:37 EDT, you sent through the ether: >Is this also the one with a Les Paul-style pickguard? Can't imagine >why they did that? Oh yes.. and I like it! (I didn`t think I would .. but it's staying on..) >I thought PAFs disappeared around '66? Really? well they have the PAF sticker on the back.. and they are the original pick-ups as I bought the guitar from it`s original owner (You can see it on Top of the Pops 2 sometimes in a terrible band called "Blue Zoo" sometimes) I`ll look into it further.. Anyway, here are my SG's.. http://www.doremi.co.uk/sg You can hear my new guitar on this: http://www.doremi.co.uk/demo/kylie.mp3 I recorded it for my own amusement, and it may make you smile too.. ;) -S. From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 16:27:59 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:27:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: The crowd was decent and there was some room to move around the sides and at the back, a perfect size really. I think 1997 is the only tour that I've missed at Liverpool since first seeing them in 1984. I didn't realise that the Royal Court had had a refit. I think Dave Brock said something about a 'lick of paint' since they last came. I like the Royal Court but my favourite gigs were always at the Empire which seemed like a bigger venue and was seated. Being in the middle of the lasers at one of those gigs was brilliant, you felt like you were travelling through space. And sell-outs, they're proving to be a pain in the arse, me, Nick Med and the Fagin need tickets for Hitchin. Maybe we could disguise ourselves as Hawkwind somehow. Alastair. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:14 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >Out of interest, this is the first HW gig in Liverpool that I have missed in >24 years (and I'm only 28, well, err 38). How full was the crowd at >Liverpool? I love that venue, the Royal Court but haven't had a chance to >get there yet since it reopened a few weeks ago following a major refit. I >drove back from the Lakes on Sunday but then the M6 was closed following a >crash and it took me 5 hours to do the journey. So near etc.. etc.. >especially after persuading my wife to come home a night earlier than >planned. >Good to hear that the fine performance that I saw at Leeds has been >consistently repeated. And sell-outs too, whats going on? > >Mark >----- Original Message ----- >From: "M Holmes" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:23 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool > > >> Alastair Lee Sumner writes: >> >> > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I >met >> > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox >> > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots >at >> > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near >the >> > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was >> > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local >> > phenomenon. >> >> Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that >> occasion. >> >> IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. >> >> Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was >> great to see again. >> >> Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of >> the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a >> few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very >> much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. >> >> That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... >> >> FoFP From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 15 16:33:43 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:33:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looking for Castle Communications website Message-ID: >> Anyone know if Castle Communications has a website? > >http://www.castlemusic.com >Called Sanctuary music now. OH! I knew Sanctuary, but didn't realize they'd bought out Castle. Thanks for the info! Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 17:20:53 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:20:53 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/01 4:16:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > > > Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning - completley different song > > > > > > > Same song, different arrangement. > > The version on 'Dawn of Hawkwind' is pretty good, too. > > Same TEXT, not music. > D'OH! I guess that would make it a different song. Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 17:41:48 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:41:48 EST Subject: NIK/BOC:The Sun Jester Message-ID: Hey: Got a new care package from Andy G in the mail yesterday (WHO DA MAN? DA G-MAN!) Listening to it tonight, and found a surprise: Uncle Nik does a version of version of The Great Sun Jester. He reads the lyrics, poetry-wise, and has some additional words, I dunno if they're original Nik, Moorcock, or what. Good version, though. Joe From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 17:44:50 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:44:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: Liverpool Empire was great for the stage shows but a bit restrictive 'smoking wise'. Re; the Hitchin tickets; have you tried asking the band; you never know - there may be a couple or three out there somewhere. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool > The crowd was decent and there was some room to move around the sides and > at the back, a perfect size really. I think 1997 is the only tour that I've > missed at Liverpool since first seeing them in 1984. I didn't realise that > the Royal Court had had a refit. I think Dave Brock said something about > a 'lick of paint' since they last came. I like the Royal Court but my > favourite gigs were always at the Empire which seemed like a bigger venue > and was seated. Being in the middle of the lasers at one of those gigs was > brilliant, you felt like you were travelling through space. And sell-outs, > they're proving to be a pain in the arse, me, Nick Med and the Fagin need > tickets for Hitchin. Maybe we could disguise ourselves as Hawkwind somehow. > > Alastair. > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:14 -0000, mark von bargen bargen at GENIE.CO.UK> wrote: > > >Out of interest, this is the first HW gig in Liverpool that I have missed > in > >24 years (and I'm only 28, well, err 38). How full was the crowd at > >Liverpool? I love that venue, the Royal Court but haven't had a chance to > >get there yet since it reopened a few weeks ago following a major refit. I > >drove back from the Lakes on Sunday but then the M6 was closed following a > >crash and it took me 5 hours to do the journey. So near etc.. etc.. > >especially after persuading my wife to come home a night earlier than > >planned. > >Good to hear that the fine performance that I saw at Leeds has been > >consistently repeated. And sell-outs too, whats going on? > > > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "M Holmes" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:23 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool > > > > > >> Alastair Lee Sumner writes: > >> > >> > Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I > >met > >> > at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox > >> > Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of > idiots > >at > >> > the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near > >the > >> > back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was > >> > wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local > >> > phenomenon. > >> > >> Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that > >> occasion. > >> > >> IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. > >> > >> Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was > >> great to see again. > >> > >> Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of > >> the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a > >> few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very > >> much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. > >> > >> That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... > >> > >> FoFP > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 17:49:59 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:49:59 +0000 Subject: HW: SG trivia In-Reply-To: <3BF3ADE4.8942.10D9586@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:58:29 EDT, you sent through the ether: >I had a '61 SG Les Paul with the sidewise vibrato and PAFs, but I >sold it because I was afraid to play it! Aw.. damn, I`d be in the same quandary.. I bet that was one pretty guitar tho, did you buy a nice car with the money you got for it? :) -S. From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 17:50:45 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:50:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: I remember the song being played live on that tour at Liverpool Uni. I also remember talking to the good Mr Pond & Fred while they were packing away after show. I was completely out of my tree and probably not making much sense. What is Fred doing these days? I remember him being a very talented bassist & keyboardist, sometimes at the same time. Didn't he play with Clapton many years ago? I can also remember a second sax player getting up to join the band for a couple of numbers that night. Nik introduced him as 'Hawkwind's new sax player' tho I can't remember the guys name. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Pond" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Test-tube & Belfast > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:17:38 -0500, you sent through the ether: > > >Did ICU ever play that song live? (Maybe on the final tour w/Nazzer on > >bass?) MAJOR loss if they never did. > > Once.. and I couldn`t sing it for toffee.. total humiliation. and the solo on > the record was a fluke, the engineer accidentally rubbed out the original > solo, so I did that one in 2 mins during mixing.. my favourite solo by me is > the live Quark at the Carlisle gig.. > > Just incase anyone thinks I`m being bigheaded you have to realise that I don`t > play solo's because I can`t.. I`m rubbish at them.. no, really, it was ok, > when I was the only guitar in ICU because I could do what I wanted, now I > stand next to my Guitar hero Trev & feel completely foolish! > > > > >Hmmm ... SG through Marshall ... AC/DC maybe? ;^) > > I think not matey! > > Black Sabbath, Alcatraz (The Man offshoot not the US metal band), Brock in the > late 70's, Deke Leonard, and Pete Townshend on Live at Leeds.. :) > > -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 18:00:40 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:00:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: <001001c16e27$f77367c0$6f23fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:50:45 -0000, you sent through the ether: >What is Fred doing these days? I see a lot of Fred, he's probably my best real life mate.. :) ..he's riding large motorbikes all over Southern England working for himself as comms man and refusing point blank to do gigs with ICU! He has a point, the last time left him mentally unbalanced, and he doesn`t want to go there again.. he sold all his instruments except the violin about 4 years ago.. Last time I saw him (about 2 weeks ago) he spent the entire evening lecturing Nick Calvert on the folly of being a musician and pleading with him to get a proper job.. ;) -S. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 15 18:10:46 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:10:46 EST Subject: NIK/BOC:The Sun Jester Message-ID: Ooops! Forgot to name the CD: Nik's 'Transglobal Friends and Relations'. Too busy rockin'! Joe From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 20:13:17 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:13:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Liverpool Message-ID: Knackered? but will this stop the "laminations"? Arf. Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 15 November 2001 16:27 Subject: Re: HW: Liverpool >Alastair Lee Sumner writes: > >> Just a quick hello to Arin, Mike Holmes, Rich Warren and Nick Lee who I met >> at the gig. Good gig, great sound, and I was made up to hear Brainbox >> Pollution. The only downer about the whole night was the group of idiots at >> the front falling into people all the time. I had to go and stand near the >> back. I haven't seen much mention of the topless dancer there, I was >> wondering if she has been at all the gigs or was she just a local >> phenomenon. > >Hi Alastair. She reappeared at Newcastle, but not topless on that >occasion. > >IMHO the belly dancer was by far the better dancer. > >Also at Newcastle Kris appeared on stage to do her fire show, which was >great to see again. > >Same setlist as Liverpool: Ejection back in the encore and no Spirit of >the Age. The hall was almost full as far as I could see. I spoke to a >few fellow Scots who'd come down from the Scottish gigs and it's very >much agreed that this is the best Hawkwind have been for quite a while. > >That's me back from 5 gigs and I'm completely knackered... > >FoFP > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 20:20:24 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:20:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: Pity to hear about Fred. I met him on the Earth Ritual tour and Hawkon - nice guy. I remember meeting up with him and the others at the hotel. A posh place too - the othe guests appeared a bit "sniffy" as various elemnts of the band, fans etc hung about the bar. This inspired Fred to pull out the violin and let rip with some hearty jigs. Mortification for the hotel management - laughs for us. Good times. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pond To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 15 November 2001 22:59 Subject: Re: HW: Test-tube & Belfast >On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:50:45 -0000, you sent through the ether: > >>What is Fred doing these days? > >I see a lot of Fred, he's probably my best real life mate.. :) ..he's riding >large motorbikes all over Southern England working for himself as comms man >and refusing point blank to do gigs with ICU! He has a point, the last time >left him mentally unbalanced, and he doesn`t want to go there again.. he sold >all his instruments except the violin about 4 years ago.. > >Last time I saw him (about 2 weeks ago) he spent the entire evening lecturing >Nick Calvert on the folly of being a musician and pleading with him to get a >proper job.. ;) > >-S. > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 20:26:20 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:26:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Glasgow and Edinburgh Message-ID: Found myself walking down the road today singing "The Watcher" (should I really admit that?). The gigs were superb - the best in years. The general feeling would appear to be: great gigs but what about some new stuff. Will the Christmas gig showcase some new material? Dave was on fine form, in fact they were all on fine form; the presence of Tim and Ron would have just about crowned it. Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 15 19:27:10 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:27:10 GMT Subject: HW: Liverpool In-Reply-To: mark von bargen's message of Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:13:14 -0000 Message-ID: mark von bargen writes: > Out of interest, this is the first HW gig in Liverpool that I have missed in > 24 years (and I'm only 28, well, err 38). How full was the crowd at > Liverpool? They've done the refit welll and it was almost full. FoFP From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Nov 15 19:29:35 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:29:35 -0000 Subject: HW: new HW dvd In-Reply-To: <00d601c16d17$daf354e0$11cf3bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: Advertised in Private Eye too. It's the Live Legends thing. Alasdair On 14 Nov 01, at 22:22, William Duffy wrote: Hi I think it might be the Classic Rock Legends DVD, which was the Live Legends video. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: HW: new HW dvd > Hello! > > ...was surfing through amazon.co.uk and found this: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RDLG/qid=1005555945/sr=1-3/re > f=sr_sp_re/026-6970953-1990018 > > Yule Ritual dvd? > > Recently in a chat there was mention about coming Yule dvd. > > cheers, > Alisa > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 15 20:22:57 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:22:57 -0500 Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:06:30 +0000, Steve Pond wrote: >Anyway, here are my SG's.. > >http://www.doremi.co.uk/sg Cool page! Tempts me to do the same with my Ric basses (90-something Jetglo [black] 4003, '78 once-upon-a-time-white 4001, '68 Fireglo [sunburst- type finish] 4001 ex-Flamin' Groovies [see 'Teenage Head' sleeve] - the one *I'm* afraid to play). -Doug (who once played in a band with a guy who owned a 70's SG standard [?] and an early-60's SG Junior, but eventually replaced 'em with a 60's Firebird Special [I think]) jasret at mindspring.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 15 20:59:03 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:59:03 GMT Subject: HW: Liverpool In-Reply-To: dave hall's message of Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:13:17 -0000 Message-ID: dave hall writes: > Knackered? but will this stop the "laminations"? Arf. It wos the Illaminati wot dun it M'Lud. FoFP From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 15 23:00:04 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:00:04 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: >> > Mirror of Illusion - Mask of morning - completley different song >> >> Same song, different arrangement. >> The version on 'Dawn of Hawkwind' is pretty good, too. > >Same TEXT, not music. *ponders* As you all know (well, maybe :-) I'm more on the BOC-side of the force -- uh, of the list :-) So anyway, I was wondering, has HW ever done it the other way around. That is, use the same music but with different lyrics? And if so, was the title also changed? Just curious :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 16 05:59:03 2001 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:59:03 +0000 Subject: Sell outs? Has the world woken up? Message-ID: What's gonna happen when there little ants at Earls court? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Fri Nov 16 06:12:59 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:12:59 -0000 Subject: Sell outs? Has the world woken up? Message-ID: Eh? R. > What's gonna happen when there little ants at Earls court? From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 16 06:22:31 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:22:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast Message-ID: Nah, whereas that setup's pretty distinctive it was the Boss chorus pedal that I was hearing. SG thru Marshall....Santana, Iommi, Young.....hmmmm actually yeah, some elements of the tones are "trademark" SG. Especially the sound of the plectrum picking the strings. I always likely that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" > Hmmm ... SG through Marshall ... AC/DC maybe? ;^) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 16 06:19:06 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:19:06 EDT Subject: HW: Test-tube & Belfast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Nov 2001, at 11:22, Chris Allen wrote: > Nah, whereas that setup's pretty distinctive it was the Boss chorus > pedal that I was hearing. SG thru Marshall....Santana, Iommi, > Young..... Uh...Roeser? BD used Marshalls sometimes during the early days before he went with Boogies... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 16 06:26:49 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:26:49 EDT Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! In-Reply-To: <200111160122.UAA20582@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 20:22, Doug Pearson wrote: > > -Doug (who once played in a band with a guy who owned a 70's SG > standard > [?] and an early-60's SG Junior, but eventually replaced 'em with a > 60's Firebird Special [I think]) Jeez, I used to have a 60s SG jr too! Man, that's one guitar I wish I could get back... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 16 06:35:39 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:35:39 EDT Subject: HW: SG trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 22:49, Steve Pond wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:58:29 EDT, you sent through the ether: > > >I had a '61 SG Les Paul with the sidewise vibrato and PAFs, but I > >sold it because I was afraid to play it! > > > Aw.. damn, I`d be in the same quandary.. I bet that was one pretty > guitar tho, did you buy a nice car with the money you got for it? :) > This was a long time ago. I only got about 1500 bucks for it! But then I didn't pay anything for it--traded 4 'lesser' guitars for it... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 16 06:40:51 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:40:51 EDT Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! In-Reply-To: <56b8vtgu124gtj9mvi8kiktfgffatph1sp@4ax.com> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 2001, at 21:06, Steve Pond wrote: > Anyway, here are my SG's.. > > http://www.doremi.co.uk/sg > > Thanks for posting them. Love that page! theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 16 09:42:42 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:42:42 -0500 Subject: HW: online article Message-ID: This may have been posted before, but I came across a (somewhat idiosyncratic) Hawkwind article here: http://makemyday.free.fr/hawkwind.htm It appears that one of our esteemed members may have acted as a consultant for this. Interesting article - some rather off-the-wall socio-political tubthumping at the start. NM From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 16 10:08:29 2001 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:08:29 +0000 Subject: HW- Glasgow/Edinburgh/Newcastle In-Reply-To: <200111151623.QAA16412@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, just about recovered from three nights of HW-accompanied space travel! All great shows, with Edinburgh being (another!) one of the best times I've seen 'em. Good set, with some nice surprises... but if only I hadn't know what they were beforehand (the curse of reading this list!). Wind Of Change had always been a favourite of mine, so great to see it back again. The Edinburgh show was pretty intense since it was quite a small place... amazing sound though, it all came together perfectly. Huw Lloyd Langton I have to say was really good. Wasn't too keen on hearing of his return... that early 80's sound is my least favourite HW period... but he fitted right in, and played very well. Good to hear Moonglum again... HLL's finest moment I think. Some great moments with both Simon and Huw soloing away, and he wasn't just "noodling" away over the top of everything like it seemed at times in the past. A real treat to have Spirit Of The Age at Edinburgh too... always a classic, and the first time I've seen Dave sing it. All in all an outstanding gig... I was at it with a few Hawk-virgins, so it was a perfect "now you understand why I travel about to see this band" situation!! Only negative thing was not doing a 2nd encore... it was a good noisy crowd and one more song woulda finished it off in style. There was a feeling of "oh well then" when they didn't come back on, though I understand this may not have been the band's fault... all these bastard venues and their early finishes these days. Newcastle was a pretty surreal experience, what with it being an opera house and all. Been a long time since I've seen HW in a seated place, but after two nights standing, one night sitting was fine. Though naturally Newcastle's tallest, fattest man came out 'specially to sit in front of me! Have to say, I though HLL was a bit ropey tonight... all this after me singing his praises to another "not overly keen on HLL" person. He lost his way in Levitation, and had trouble getting back into it. A few other mistakes here and there, though nothing too drastic... just an off-night I suppose. The whole gig didn't fire on all cylinders like Edinburgh had, but with it being HW, it was still excellent of course! Just not quite as much! The Gremlins were getting their revenge, with HLL's guitar-strap falling off (those little rubber bits of Grolsche beer bottles do the trick!) and Kris setting her hair on fire. Simon House's green shorts and hole-filled tights were a sight to behold... classic! Ah, but the dancer... when she(?) came on, I had awful flashbacks to the dancer on the Live Legends video... the one that makes me go "arrrgh... WHY????" every time I watch it, so did my best to tune her out of what I was watching (Mr. Tall Fat Guy in front of me helped with that). So I barely looked at her(?) while she was on. Now this is what's confusing me about the "she" part. My girlfriend tells me it was bloke!! Really! What do others reckon?! My g/f tells me she(?) had gaffa tape to hold her stomach in, and that it was definitely male! Was she hallucinating (possible) or can others at the gig confirm this. Y'know, I *hope* it was a bloke, since that's funny. Scantily-clad dancing girls just seem a bit "crap metal" to me (where HW are concerned you understand... other occasions, well...). This time we got Ejection for the encore, which saw everyone up on their feet, and the white-shirted goon security having to give up on moving people on. Like previous nights it just didn't seem enough though... it's never enough! There's no doubt about going to the Xmas show... can't wait! I hope everyone else is enjoying these current shows as much as I have :) Dave Ps. Mike, I think that was me you talked to briefly in that boozer by the opera house. radio birdman b/ball hat and complaints about "un-civilized opening hours"!! From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Nov 16 10:22:48 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:22:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow / Newcastle Message-ID: Haven't read the e-mails yet, but I would like to distance myself from anything Mike "The Laminator" Holmes has said. Stuart From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 16 10:42:09 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Planet Gong- 1977 and all that Message-ID: A page of disconnected reminiscences, very amusing: http://homepage.mac.com/thandoy/wolf/here_now.html Includes a bizarre account of a verbal sparring match between Daevid Allen and Robert Calvert. But who is this Wolf Thandoy? From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Fri Nov 16 11:20:26 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:20:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Newcastle Message-ID: Was reviewed in the local newspaper day after, will scan it over the weekend. Wonder if it was me was Newcastles tallest, fattest man. If it was 4 rows from the front then I win. "Wouldn't it be ironic", if Newcastles tallest, fattest man came from Edinburgh? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 16 12:52:40 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:52:40 GMT Subject: HW- Glasgow/Edinburgh/Newcastle In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:08:29 +0000 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > the dancer... when she(?) came on, I had awful flashbacks to the dancer on > the Live Legends video... the one that makes me go "arrrgh... WHY????" > every time I watch it, so did my best to tune her out of what I was > watching (Mr. Tall Fat Guy in front of me helped with that). So I barely > looked at her(?) while she was on. Now this is what's confusing me about > the "she" part. My girlfriend tells me it was bloke!! Really! What do > others reckon?! My g/f tells me she(?) had gaffa tape to hold her stomach > in, and that it was definitely male! Was she hallucinating (possible) or > can others at the gig confirm this. Lucy thought it was a male too. On the other hand, at Liverpool, there were definitely breasts, small breasts, present. > Ps. Mike, I think that was me you talked to briefly in that boozer by the > opera house. radio birdman b/ball hat and complaints about "un-civilized > opening hours"!! I do recall a conversation pertaining to that. Hi again. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 16 12:54:08 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:54:08 GMT Subject: HW: Edinburgh / Glasgow / Newcastle In-Reply-To: Z E Itgeist's message of Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: Z E Itgeist writes: > Haven't read the e-mails yet, but I would like to distance myself from > anything Mike "The Laminator" Holmes has said. This from the fattest guy in Newcastle... FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 16 12:05:46 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:05:46 EDT Subject: HW- Glasgow/Edinburgh/Newcastle In-Reply-To: <200111161752.RAA08780@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 16 Nov 2001, at 17:52, M Holmes wrote: > Lucy thought it was a male too. On the other hand, at Liverpool, there > were definitely breasts, small breasts, present. > Post-op tranny? theo From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 16 15:36:58 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:36:58 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:00:04 -0500, Alex S. Garcia wrote: >*ponders* As you all know (well, maybe :-) I'm more on the BOC-side of the >force -- uh, of the list :-) > >So anyway, I was wondering, has HW ever done it the other way around. That >is, use the same music but with different lyrics? And if so, was the title >also changed? Oh yeah! (Notwithstanding the fact that some people would claim *all* Hawkwind songs sound the same, or that every other single they've released since "Silver Machine" has been a rewrite of that song.) There was the Nuclear Toy/Nuclear Drive combo live in the 80's (where they sang the lyrics of one to the music of the other). "Opa-Loka", an instrumental, gained lyrics and became "Uncle Sam's On Mars" (although that's probably not exactly what you're asking for). Same with "The Iron Dream" (becoming "Martian Disco Stomp" c.83 and "Are You Losing Your Mind" c.96, as I mentioned in an earlier message). And "I am the Eye That Looks Within" became "Blue Skin" in the same way. "Spacebrock" into "Money Tree" also. At Strange Daze 98, the ones who were left played "Starfire Mountain Dreaming", which mutated into "Hippy" (different lyrics, similar, but not quite identical, music). I'm not sure if it's the *exact* same music, but "Where Are They Now?" sounds like it could have been the musical predecessor to "P.X.R.5". Can anyone think of other examples? -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Nov 16 16:13:04 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:13:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Utopia 84 Message-ID: Chris Allen wrote: >On that note - I got in contact with a guy from this list about 3 >years ago about that Utopia 1984 ... So I must offer this plea - >can anyone get me a copy (tape, CD-R, vinyl, anything) of this >recording? I'd actually pay cash money for it! I've got a vinyl-only release on Mausoleum records called 'Utopia 1984' with HLL playing all over it - live shot of the band on the cover and a winged skull helmet graphic above - not sure if its actually a bootleg or just a compilation of questionable legality (or is that 6 vs. 1/2 doz) - if this is the one you're talking about then all the tracks on it are available on legitimate CDs, the bulk I believe are on Stonehenge Collection (This is Hawkwind..Do Not Panic and Zones) - I'll check this weekend. Stephan From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 16:32:11 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:32:11 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 3:37:35 PM, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << "Opa-Loka", an instrumental, gained lyrics and became "Uncle Sam's On Mars" (although that's probably not exactly what you're asking for). >> ========= This one disagrees; it was not anything deliberate on their part. "Opa-Loka" was a one-note studio vamp, pretty much, and it gave the drummers a writing credit. Didnt it? "Uncle Sam's on Mars" was not a matter of "Hey! let's rewrite "Opa-Loka" and call it something else!" "<>" "You're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I, so am I..." FZ From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Nov 16 16:45:18 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:45:18 +0100 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <14b.41d486a.2926dfdb@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi At 16:32 16.11.2001 -0500, you wrote: >"Opa-Loka", an instrumental, gained lyrics and became "Uncle Sam's On Mars" >(although that's probably not exactly what you're asking for). > >> >========= >This one disagrees; it was not anything deliberate on their part. > >"Opa-Loka" was a one-note studio vamp, pretty much, and it gave the drummers >a writing credit. Didnt it? > >"Uncle Sam's on Mars" was not a matter of "Hey! let's rewrite "Opa-Loka" and >call it something else!" I have to disagree "Opa Loka" is for sure the basic song for "Uncle Sam" Bernhard From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 16 16:46:55 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:46:55 +0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <200111162036.PAA24572@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200111162036.PAA24572 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:00:04 -0500, Alex S. Garcia >wrote: >>*ponders* As you all know (well, maybe :-) I'm more on the BOC-side of the >>force -- uh, of the list :-) >> >>So anyway, I was wondering, has HW ever done it the other way around. That >>is, use the same music but with different lyrics? And if so, was the title >>also changed? > >Oh yeah! (Notwithstanding the fact that some people would claim *all* >Hawkwind songs sound the same, or that every other single they've released >since "Silver Machine" has been a rewrite of that song.) > >There was the Nuclear Toy/Nuclear Drive combo live in the 80's (where they >sang the lyrics of one to the music of the other). > >"Opa-Loka", an instrumental, gained lyrics and became "Uncle Sam's On Mars" >(although that's probably not exactly what you're asking for). > >Same with "The Iron Dream" (becoming "Martian Disco Stomp" c.83 and "Are >You Losing Your Mind" c.96, as I mentioned in an earlier message). > >And "I am the Eye That Looks Within" became "Blue Skin" in the same >way. "Spacebrock" into "Money Tree" also. > >At Strange Daze 98, the ones who were left played "Starfire Mountain >Dreaming", which mutated into "Hippy" (different lyrics, similar, but not >quite identical, music). > >I'm not sure if it's the *exact* same music, but "Where Are They Now?" >sounds like it could have been the musical predecessor to "P.X.R.5". > >Can anyone think of other examples? The basic chord progression from Silver Machine has reappeared in 25 Years and Fahrenheit 451. -- David Blair From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Nov 16 16:57:45 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:57:45 -0700 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <164qnY-1BPmYyC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very early version on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:45 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW Changing song titles > > > Hi > At 16:32 16.11.2001 -0500, you wrote: > >"Opa-Loka", an instrumental, gained lyrics and became "Uncle > Sam's On Mars" > >(although that's probably not exactly what you're asking for). > > >> > >========= > >This one disagrees; it was not anything deliberate on their part. > > > >"Opa-Loka" was a one-note studio vamp, pretty much, and it gave > the drummers > >a writing credit. Didnt it? > > > >"Uncle Sam's on Mars" was not a matter of "Hey! let's rewrite > "Opa-Loka" and > >call it something else!" > > > I have to disagree > "Opa Loka" is for sure the basic song for "Uncle Sam" > > > > Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:25:13 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:25:13 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 4:46:08 PM, bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE writes: << I have to disagree "Opa Loka" is for sure the basic song for "Uncle Sam" >> ========= ....And this one would continue to disagree...oy "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:29:14 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:29:14 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 4:59:04 PM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: << Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very early version on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? >> ========== um, no, and no matter.... ever write a song? stuff gets "over-mysticized" round here sometimes..... especially when one or two note songs are being discussed. "<>" From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:32:31 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Beautiful Foot) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:32:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Utopia 84 Message-ID: Hi, Someone from the list has offered me a copy, so I'm v. happy. Now I'm gonna track down a lead I have for Bill Ward (Sabbath)'s Ward One: Along the Way LP. Wish me luck. ;?< Utopia 1984: I thought it was a boot 'cos nobody I've ever mentioned it to had heard of it until the guy I mentioned in my first post, and now you two chaps. I have Zones and a couple of tracks appear there also, but the quality and mix of tracks on it makes it seem of less intrinsic quality than the Utopia 1984 recording which at least seems coherent. But then is this not the age old Hawkwind issue.... Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Forstner" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: HW: Utopia 84 > Chris Allen wrote: > >On that note - I got in contact with a guy from this list about 3 > >years ago about that Utopia 1984 ... So I must offer this plea - > >can anyone get me a copy (tape, CD-R, vinyl, anything) of this > >recording? I'd actually pay cash money for it! > > I've got a vinyl-only release on Mausoleum records called 'Utopia 1984' with > HLL playing all over it - live shot of the band on the cover and a winged > skull helmet graphic above - not sure if its actually a bootleg or just a > compilation of questionable legality (or is that 6 vs. 1/2 doz) - if this is > the one you're talking about then all the tracks on it are available on > legitimate CDs, the bulk I believe are on Stonehenge Collection (This is > Hawkwind..Do Not Panic and Zones) - I'll check this weekend. > > Stephan > From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 16 17:32:21 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:32:21 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:57:45 -0700, KevinSommers wrote: >Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very early version >on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? ... especially if you compare that to the live version of "Opa-Loka" performed during 1975 (Reading Festival et. al.). "Opa-Loka" '75 and "Uncle Sam" '76 are nearly identical; it really *does* sound like the same song, only with the addition of Bob's rant on top. However, I'd wholeheartedly agree that the 'P.X.R.5' and 'Weird 104' versions of "Uncle Sam" sound little-to-nothing like the original studio version of "Opa- Loka", so it really was (IMO) a process of the song mutating considerably from '75 to '78 (and, of course, in the songwriting credits, Al got dropped in favor of Dave & Simon by the time 1977 rolled around). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:35:56 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Beautiful Foot) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:35:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks Message-ID: Me again. The Night of the Hawks. Is there more to this text? I know with a some of the Hawkwind texts there are contexts and so forth, but this song I just don't get. Is there more to it, a song cycle perhaps? A signal from outer space is all well and good, but what then? Carl Sagan managed to take it further, why not Dave Brock? From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Nov 16 17:40:02 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:40:02 +0100 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <200111162232.RAA25742@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi At 17:32 16.11.2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:57:45 -0700, KevinSommers wrote: >>Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very early version >>on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? > >... especially if you compare that to the live version of "Opa-Loka" >performed during 1975 (Reading Festival et. al.). "Opa-Loka" '75 >and "Uncle Sam" '76 are nearly identical; it really *does* sound like the >same song, only with the addition of Bob's rant on top. However, I'd >wholeheartedly agree that the 'P.X.R.5' and 'Weird 104' versions of "Uncle >Sam" sound little-to-nothing like the original studio version of "Opa- >Loka", so it really was (IMO) a process of the song mutating considerably >from '75 to '78 (and, of course, in the songwriting credits, Al got dropped >in favor of Dave & Simon by the time 1977 rolled around). > > -Doug I absolutely agree with Doug ! Bernhard From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:42:44 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:42:44 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 3:37:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Can anyone think of other examples? > > Isn't 'Hawkwind In Your Area' a retread of another song? Perhaps 'The Camera That Could Lie'? Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 17:45:53 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:45:53 EST Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/01 8:25:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Cool page! Tempts me to do the same with my Ric basses (90-something > Jetglo [black] 4003, '78 once-upon-a-time-white 4001, '68 Fireglo [sunburst- > type finish] 4001 ex-Flamin' Groovies [see 'Teenage Head' sleeve] - the one > *I'm* afraid to play). > > Oh, that's right. Rub it in why doncha' ;) Joe From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Fri Nov 16 18:55:19 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:55:19 -0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: 'Hawkwind in Your Area', the rapped/toasted part features the same tune sequence as 'The Camera That Could Lie' that contained lyrics originally used in 'Living on a Knife Edge'. There are many steals but after all its only 'sampling the samplers' and just now Hawkwind rocks big time!! Just get them into a studio as soon as Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: HW Changing song titles > In a message dated 11/16/01 3:37:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > > Can anyone think of other examples? > > > > > > Isn't 'Hawkwind In Your Area' a retread of another song? Perhaps 'The Camera > That Could Lie'? > > Joe From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Nov 16 18:55:54 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:55:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks Message-ID: well,living here in the states,if i ever got to actually see Hawkwind,that would be `Night of the hawks' as far as i'm concerned!! tim Beautiful Foot wrote: > > Me again. > > The Night of the Hawks. > Is there more to this text? > I know with a some of the Hawkwind texts there are contexts and so forth, but > this song I just don't get. > Is there more to it, a song cycle perhaps? > A signal from outer space is all well and good, but what then? > Carl Sagan managed to take it further, why not Dave Brock? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 20:06:48 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:06:48 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 5:33:25 PM, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << >Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very early version >on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? >> ========= Nope. actually, fellas, I must defer to y'all's insistence... but, nonetheless, there's some serious over-mystification going on here. was "opa-loka" really more than 'killing time in the studio'? "<>" From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 16 20:46:00 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:46:00 -0500 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:06:48 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >was "opa-loka" really more than 'killing time in the studio'? I always thought it was, "hey! let's try to sound like Neu!" -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Nov 16 21:18:40 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:18:40 -0700 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Didn't realize my mystification, much less over-mystification (how exactly do you define that?)......but by Gum get either of the two titles mentioned above ("Atomhenge 76" being the more complete) and listen to 'USOM', and it really seems to be the music (studio time-wasting or not) grafted with some Bob poetry, which would later morph more into the more familiar version... KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:07 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW Changing song titles > > > In a message dated 11/16/01 5:33:25 PM, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > << >Yep, I agree with Bernhard. Larry, have you heard the very > early version > >on either "Atomhenge 76" or "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures"? > >> > ========= > Nope. > actually, fellas, I must defer to y'all's insistence... > but, nonetheless, there's some serious over-mystification going on here. > > was "opa-loka" really more than 'killing time in the studio'? > > > "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 21:31:17 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:31:17 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 9:19:59 PM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: << Didn't realize my mystification, much less over-mystification (how exactly do you define that?)>> .... interpreting a one-note or two-note vamp as something more than that.... It's all between the ears, comrade, all between the ears... If you like/liked it, well there yiz go, say no more. "<>" From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Nov 16 21:49:03 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:49:03 -0700 Subject: HW Changing song titles In-Reply-To: <7c.1eab8c26.292725f5@aol.com> Message-ID: being too diplomatic before, but here goes (in a well-meant way): Larry: please listen to the available evidence here first, before declaring that we are obviously just hearing things....a snippet is here: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=2093451169/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al bum.html/artistid=HAWKWIND/itemid=1350110 KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:31 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW Changing song titles > > > In a message dated 11/16/01 9:19:59 PM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: > > << Didn't realize my mystification, much less over-mystification > (how exactly > do you define that?)>> > > .... interpreting a one-note or two-note vamp as something more > than that.... > > > It's all between the ears, comrade, all between the ears... > If you like/liked it, well there yiz go, say no more. > > > "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 16 22:04:03 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:04:03 EST Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/01 9:50:19 PM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: << being too diplomatic before, but here goes (in a well-meant way): "Diplomatic" compared to what? ===== Larry: please listen to the available evidence here first, ===== This is not at all what I meant. "obviously just hearing things" is _your_ interpretation, not mine. For all of us,repeat _all_ of us, it's "all between the ears" === <<....a snippet is here:>> mkay. "<>" "I are the the world and so are you and so are we and so are they so WHAT THE F*CK!?" From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Nov 17 04:38:13 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:38:13 +0000 Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! In-Reply-To: <200111160122.UAA20582@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:22:57 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Cool page! Tempts me to do the same with my Ric basses Is it done yet? -S. -waiting patiently.. From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Sat Nov 17 09:03:20 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:03:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mark Lee/Dr Hasbeen News (Fwd: I'm Alive) Message-ID: Hi folks, here's a message I'm forwarding from Mark Lee: >X-Envelope-Sender: m.lee-lord at tinyworld.co.uk as seen by >kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de >From: "m.lee-lord" >To: >Subject: I'm Alive >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:03:00 -0000 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >Hi Denis, > >Please pass my regards to all BOC-Lers, I'm still alive and kicking but >not online again yet - distinct lack of work !! >Also trying to finalise stuff with the band and finish the darned new >album - slow going I can tell you. > >All the best for now, > >Mark (Dr Hasbeen) Lee > >PS: I'm using my sisters PC to send so can't read replies... (c)IAO D+R From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Sat Nov 17 14:33:07 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:33:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Edinburgh Evening News review Message-ID: As promised; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/evening.html From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Nov 17 16:37:25 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:37:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Memos and Demos Message-ID: Someone - sorry I forgot who - has already pointed out that this is a good album. IMO its a must have, there is plenty of new material on it with some real good Brock tunes, and loads of Brock guitar. The previously released tracks (eg Clouded Vision) are different to the originals. I reckon its on a par with 'Earthed to the ground'. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Sat Nov 17 17:14:27 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:14:27 -0000 Subject: HW: Memos and Demos Message-ID: It was me, having bought it at Leeds. Go to say that it has been on the player more often than Yule Ritual these last two weeks. That could be because it has more tunes new to me whereas I already know the vast majority of the tunes on Yule Ritual. All said, it is a very strong album. I would say that it is Bock's best solo effort. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Crook" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Memos and Demos > Someone - sorry I forgot who - has already pointed out that this is a good album. IMO its a must have, there is plenty of new material on it with some real good Brock tunes, and loads of Brock guitar. The previously released tracks (eg Clouded Vision) are different to the originals. I reckon its on a par with 'Earthed to the ground'. > > Mick > > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Sat Nov 17 13:32:06 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:32:06 -0000 Subject: HW changing song titled Message-ID: Dennis - please pass this back to Dr Hasbeen: WHERE ARE MY CD'S?????????????? Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: OFF: Mark Lee/Dr Hasbeen News (Fwd: I'm Alive) > Hi folks, > > here's a message I'm forwarding from Mark Lee: > > >X-Envelope-Sender: m.lee-lord at tinyworld.co.uk as seen by > >kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de > >From: "m.lee-lord" > >To: > >Subject: I'm Alive > >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:03:00 -0000 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > > >Hi Denis, > > > >Please pass my regards to all BOC-Lers, I'm still alive and kicking but > >not online again yet - distinct lack of work !! > >Also trying to finalise stuff with the band and finish the darned new > >album - slow going I can tell you. > > > >All the best for now, > > > >Mark (Dr Hasbeen) Lee > > > >PS: I'm using my sisters PC to send so can't read replies... > > (c)IAO > > D+R From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Nov 17 20:33:33 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:33:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Memos and Demos Message-ID: I just got Memo's and Demos last night. I have only heard up to Track 10 so far, will hear the rest later tonight. I really agree that it is a great CD. I was surprised that there is so much guitar noise on it and also lots of swooshy space sounds. I like it much better than Spacebrock (which I also like). There is a song called State of Mind (instrumental) that is incredible far out space blanga. I hope that this CD gets a wider audience than just a few of us. it really desrves it. Chris mark von bargen wrote: > It was me, having bought it at Leeds. Go to say that it has been on the > player more often than Yule Ritual these last two weeks. That could be > because it has more tunes new to me whereas I already know the vast majority > of the tunes on Yule Ritual. > All said, it is a very strong album. I would say that it is Bock's best solo > effort. > > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Crook" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Memos and Demos > > > Someone - sorry I forgot who - has already pointed out that this is a > good album. IMO its a must have, there is plenty of new material on it with > some real good Brock tunes, and loads of Brock guitar. The previously > released tracks (eg Clouded Vision) are different to the originals. I reckon > its on a par with 'Earthed to the ground'. > > > > Mick > > > > > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > > > -------------------- > > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > http://www.talk21.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Nov 18 02:47:41 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:47:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: M. Karoli Message-ID: Holy Shit... I just heard terrible news...Michael Karoli has died?!?! Is that true? Christ.... Grakkl (FAA) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 18 06:25:56 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:25:56 +0800 Subject: OFF: Mark Lee/Dr Hasbeen News (Fwd: I'm Alive) Message-ID: And where are my CD's LOL Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Mark Lee/Dr Hasbeen News (Fwd: I'm Alive) > Dennis - please pass this back to Dr Hasbeen: > WHERE ARE MY CD'S?????????????? > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denis Regenbrecht" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:03 PM > Subject: OFF: Mark Lee/Dr Hasbeen News (Fwd: I'm Alive) > > > > Hi folks, > > > > here's a message I'm forwarding from Mark Lee: > > > > >X-Envelope-Sender: m.lee-lord at tinyworld.co.uk as seen by > > >kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de > > >From: "m.lee-lord" > > >To: > > >Subject: I'm Alive > > >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:03:00 -0000 > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > > > > >Hi Denis, > > > > > >Please pass my regards to all BOC-Lers, I'm still alive and kicking but > > >not online again yet - distinct lack of work !! > > >Also trying to finalise stuff with the band and finish the darned new > > >album - slow going I can tell you. > > > > > >All the best for now, > > > > > >Mark (Dr Hasbeen) Lee > > > > > >PS: I'm using my sisters PC to send so can't read replies... > > > > (c)IAO > > > > D+R > From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sun Nov 18 08:06:41 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:06:41 +0100 Subject: Offish: Gong in Bergen, Norway Message-ID: hi! yestereve Daevid Allen and co visited my humble village... and what a great show!!! will tell those interested more, gotta run for public transport... (and while this is rather off-topic, they sold tim blake cds at the tee shirt stand, as did they last year - my excuse then as well :-) best, ketil svendsen, norway now wearing a cheesy camembert electrique tee shirt and a happy smile! From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 18 08:46:35 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:46:35 -0000 Subject: Offish: Gong in Bergen, Norway Message-ID: LoL.. Yes I'm up to 5 cheesy camembert electrique t shirts. Must buy another one ;-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ketil Svendsen" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Offish: Gong in Bergen, Norway > hi! > yestereve Daevid Allen and co visited my humble village... and what a great show!!! will tell those interested more, gotta run for public transport... (and while this is rather off-topic, they sold tim blake cds at the tee shirt stand, as did they last year - my excuse then as well :-) > > best, > ketil svendsen, > norway > now wearing a cheesy camembert electrique tee shirt and a happy smile! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 18 13:39:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:39:27 +0000 Subject: HW:Don't buy Brocks solo CD let him know how we feel In-Reply-To: <159.265f1d0.28f88add@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Steve Johnson wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/01 3:05:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM > writes: > > If Nik's Nikwind wants to be accepted as a bonafide musical entity, then > > will they be doing some new music at the upcoming gig? Will they release a > > studio album sometime in the future? Or are they only planning to rehash > > out old songs in live gigs henceforth? > > And release godawful quality live albums. Te last Nikwind that released any new material was the Pressurehed/Anubian Lights nexus, and Nik didn't contribute very much to that really. Even where he might have done it's hard to say whether the credits are correct given all the stuff came out on Cleopatra, and none of them are lone credits so how much he contributed is anybody's guess. Nowadays there's the problem of what Nikwind is: the Hawkestra going into the studio and turning out an hour or so jamming could be great but is more likely to be thoroughly painful, and in any case you'd never get all of them there (which might help). On the other hand the crew currently more or less functioning as The Space Odyssey (next appearing 20th December, advertised as XHawkwind but on the actual stuff from them as 2001 a Space Odyssey, being on that flyer Turner, Crimble, Slattery, Ollis and Bainbridge) might, potentially, if you crammed them into a studio for a week, come up with something not only releasable but quite good. The real questions there would be, firstly, which of them has songs left (both Crimble and Slattery long out of music before this I believe, but might have ages-old things unrecorded, Nik's claimed before now to write new songs all the time but we never see evidence of this, Ollis never known to write anything top-class drummer though he be, and Bainbridge has made only synth music for some time though he has a few excellent little songs in is canon (`Free Fall', `Eons'). And, secondly, would OzIT pay for it? Because if they *would* they really really should; a genuinely new Nik album would be the best thing they've released under his name so far, would make Hawkwind look decidedly shabby which I doubt Nik would mind a bit, and would probably even make them money. I think if they rope in Adrian Shaw and Jerry Richards too they have a project that could potentially flip most wigs. Ron too? Whether anyone can be bothered to make this happen, well... After all, te current HW lineup should by all rights be such a project and yes, great live. And that's it, really, isn't it? I suspect that of the two Nikwind is currently more likely to get into a studio and record simply because it's seemingly more likely just to get together and jam for fun. > > If so, then is this going to benefit the name Hawkwind, and bring more > > fans to > Hawkwind music? > > Absolutely not. As someone has already pointed out, it would more than likely > turn them away. I forget who was saying Nik should just tour as Nikwind, but they were right; he doesn't have the ability to be Hawkwind no matter who he gathers round him and moreover he isn't legally allowed to. But he could damn well do something if someone could kick the relevant backsides. Yours, Jon n/p nothing! Crikey! Must fix that! and lo, Hawkwind, _Xenon Codex_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 18 14:42:53 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:42:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Service time league table In-Reply-To: <200110122041.QAA25625@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:48:30 +0100, J D wrote: > > Has anybody ever compiled a league table of "service time in HW"? > > There's the personnel list that just gives the years that certain people > were involved in the band ... Which is roughly what I aimed at, now corrected in the light of the information Doug kindly appended below, which I *id* read before I replied to the original message, but by the time I did that had forgot he'd included. You follow me? No matter. Anyway, one or two petty quibbles: > >> Rob Heaton > *1* gig (Stonehenge '83), and part of the 'Earth Ritual Preview' EP; I > think we may have a winner! Steve Taylor scores lower with just one gig, I believe, the Ones Who Are Left performance; but, on the other and, wasn't that one track on the ERP, `Night of the Hawks', actually from the Stonehenge gig? > >> Steve Bemand > He should probably be treated as a guest, not a member. Like Dumpy, Arthur > Brown, Samantha Fox, etc. Dammit, I'd forgotten Dumpy. And moreover I don't have this document Doug is citing so if anyone wants to tell me wat dates Bemand and Dumpy were around between I'd be most grateful. > >> Clive Deamer > 42 gigs (3/84-6/85), no studio time I thought he drummed on CotBS (which I don't yet have, sorry, here's my badge)? If not, who did? Danny T.? > also: > Mick Slattery - studio demo, 19 gigs (8/69-1/70) > John Harrison - first album, 58 gigs (8/69-6/70) > Dave Anderson - XiSoS (of course!), but a mere 58 gigs (4/71-8/71) > Paul Rudolph - ASAM, 80 gigs (5/75-12/76) > Adrian Shaw - Quark, PXR5, 79 gigs (2/77-3/78) > Paul Hayles - no studio, 15 gigs (3/78) plus 1 as Sonic Assassins 12/77 Really 03/78? Only I thougt he was part of the revived Hawkwind after the failure of the Hawklords venture, which was ongoing till nearly the end of that year surely? > Steve Swindells - Hawklords, 40 gigs (1/78-11/78) > Tim Blake - Levitation, 40 gigs (9/79-10/80) > Ginger Baker - Levitation, 46 gigs (10/80-2/81) > Keith Hale - no studio, 34 gigs (10/80-2/81) Again, here, are you sure? That leaves only a month for Blake and Baker to be on _Levitation_ in... Also, Hale got some studio time in as we have `Dangerous Visions' to prove... > Andy Anderson - no studio, 8 gigs (2/83) > John Clark - drums on 'Earth Ritual Preview', no gigs > Fred Reeves - no studio, 38 gigs (6/83-7/84) Didn't realise he was in that long! How come he managed to escape being recorded even live? Mischance (or chance)? > Rick Martinez - no studio, 17 gigs (2/84-3/84) > Paul Cobbold - studio engineer, played percussion on CotBS, no gigs Um, Dave Charles surely? (And is that the same Dave Charles wom the Manband archive pages claim has played in every Man-connected band but never Man itself? Because if so that would make connected Man and Hawkwind by personnel much easier than it currently seems to be). I think you're thinking of Cobbold's guest slot on _Out and Intake_. > Mick Kirton - no studio, 9 gigs (8/88-10/88) Did Chadwick officially arrive in 1988 then? Or was the drum stool vacant till next year? > Bridget Wishart - 83(!) gigs (6/89-4/91) That is truly impressive. Where did the band suddenly acquire energy from? > Crum - 33 gigs (10/97-11/97) plus 10 gigs (Agents of Chaos) in 88/89 Also around in 1988/1989. no? Or am I only dreaming? > Rizz - 47(at most?) gigs (7/97-3/01) And that's 47 too many. Actually, even I wouldn't have removed him from stage for `Keeper of the Reptoid'. But still. Since then, unforgivable. > I guess it's a safe bet that Dave, Nik, Huw, DikMik, Del, Lemmy, Calvert, > Simons House & King, Al Powell, Harvey, Martin Griffin, Alan, Danny, > Richard & Ron (16 different people!) each has over 100 Hawkwind gigs under > his belt (Jerry slips in at slightly under 100 if you count the Agents of > Chaos gigs, slightly over 80 if you don't) ... The number of gigs Brock must have played is scary to contemplate. > Someone else can do the math for "length-of-tenure". Obviously very > different results, since Ron Tree didn't play very many more gigs with > Hawkwind in six YEARS than Thom Crimble did with Hawkwind in six MONTHS. And that's just shameful really. Anyhow, informations updated, cheers, yours, Jon Damn! music stopped again. Jethro Tull's _Benefit_ on shiny remaster CD I think. -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Nov 18 15:20:31 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:20:31 +0100 Subject: Offish: Gong in Bergen, Norway In-Reply-To: <3BF7B260.E6A3E359@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: OHMAGAWDOHMAGAWDOHMAGAWD!!!! Wednesday will be glorious ! Ich bin ein kn?del ! >hi! >yestereve Daevid Allen and co visited my humble village... and what >a great show!!! will tell those interested more, gotta run for >public transport... (and while this is rather off-topic, they sold >tim blake cds at the tee shirt stand, as did they last year - my >excuse then as well :-) > >best, >ketil svendsen, >norway >now wearing a cheesy camembert electrique tee shirt and a happy smile! ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 18 15:31:38 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:31:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Service time league table In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > >> >> Clive Deamer >> 42 gigs (3/84-6/85), no studio time > > I thought he drummed on CotBS (which I don't yet have, sorry, >here's my badge)? If not, who did? Danny T.? Yup. Sorry can't help with *any* of your other questions. But I did just want to stop by because... >Also, Hale got some studio time in as we >have `Dangerous Visions' to prove... Some time ago there was a thread on "least fave HW song", well I completely forgot about this one- it is without question the worst song the band have ever recorded. IMHO of course. -- Nick Medford From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 18 15:38:29 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:38:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Hitchin Message-ID: I drove up to Hitchin to see HW last night (4th time on this tour). I bumped into Dave and Simon in Cafe Rouge before the gig; Dave said that he was feeling shellshocked and deaf. Despite that he was on great form onstage, joking and having fun. Keith Kniveton has now joined up which added some more, very good, spaciness to proceedings. However, the PA was far too small and pushed way beyond its limits which led to some "interesting" effects. Same setlist as earlier gigs but with a nice addition to The Watcher (introduced by Dave as "The Washer"). COLIN From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sun Nov 18 15:50:56 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:50:56 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (Show #38) Farflung - "Petal" (from The Belief Module) F/i - "Quantum Foam" (from Fluorescent Tunnelvision) Jugalbandi - "My Yiddishe Boogie" (from The Cram And Stuff Method) Open Canvas - "Ojopati" (from Indumani) Alpha Wave Movement - "Distant Visitation" (from The Edge Of Infinity) Erfmen - "Starborn" (from demo CD) Unlimbo - "Woodhenge" (from See What You Think) Tarantula Hawk - excerpt (from Tarantula Hawk) Color - "Garden Fair" (from III) Cyber Zen Sound Engine/Matt Borghi - "Mend" (from The Intercepted Transmissions) Nekropolis Strom Dept - untitled (from Live) Be sure and check out our online mail order catalog for all kinds of space rock and related CDs. http://www.aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 18 17:10:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:10:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/03 In-Reply-To: <200111091853.NAA26369@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111091853.NAA26369 at mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >>8.Faust-- "Mamie is Blue" (So Far; Collector's Choice...and that new box set) > >What's on the CD in the box set that isn't available elsewhere (?)? I mean, >is it any good? Some live BBC thing or something IIRC. Track listing for the "BBC sessions +" CD is: 1. BBC 1.3.73 a) The Lurcher b) Krautrock c) Do So 2. Party 9 3. (360) 4. Party 10 5. Party 1* 6. We Are The Hallo Men** 7. So Far (alternative) 8. Meer (alternative) The first track(s) was recorded at the BBC on the date stated. The rest of the CD is previously unreleased except * from "The Last LP" and ** from "Munic and Elsewhere", although neither of these tracks are included on "71 minutes", the CD release which combines the remainder of those two albums. As to what it sounds like- it's always so hard to describe their music, but basically all the elements you know and love are here. The album is, perhaps inevitably, a bit of a rag-bag, and it doesn't come close to "71 minutes" (my favourite Faust CD), but it's interesting enough to be more than just a curio item. -- Nick Medford From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 18 17:33:43 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:33:43 -0000 Subject: Cardiff Message-ID: Just got back from an excellent weekend spent in Cardiff. Managed to see Hawkwind on friday night at the coal exchange with a few friends of mine. the place seemed pretty packed, the band was there usual excellent selves, with the watcher being the stand out track for me. The sound was ok , could hear Huw's guitar solos pretty well though but couldn't hear much of simon house on keyboards but his violin work was coming out pretty clear. It was good to say hi to Arin and Iain both off this list and put some faces to names. I'm looking forward to the Brighton and walthamstow gigs now! cheers colm From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 18 17:15:16 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:15:16 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin - As Above so Below Message-ID: that is indeed true - everything he says.............. Thanks Andy G. Andy G (the Dead Earnest one) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: HW: Bedouin - As Above so Below > Just to let everyone know that the long-awaited Bedouin album is finally > out - I'm listening to my comp copy right now - Andy G should have them in > stock now, they'll also be on sale at the Hawkwind tour, and you can also > get it by mail order from Ali (details at www.bedouinfo.com). > > Oh, and it rocks like a bastard. ;) > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 18 17:50:34 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:50:34 -0000 Subject: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" Message-ID: Now out and in stock and, like the Bedouin CD, flying out the door. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: A. Davey "Final Call" From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 18 20:24:56 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:24:56 -0000 Subject: POOLE ARTS CENTRE Message-ID: Welcome to the Poole arts centre. Famous for being the smallest venue played by Page and Plant on their 95 tour. For that gig the venues seating was removed for everyone to let go and dance. Tonight the seats are back!.....but there is a worse horror to come, its now a no smoking building! and this even applies backstage as all in the green room are informed. No matter, the modern hedonists are prepared for this eventuality. A quick check of the merchandise stall reveals the new Tour T-Shirt. Based on the cover of Yule Ritual, this is a must-have. Complete with smaller image and tour dates on the back, we swear it glows in the dark... though that could just be us and the way we are at present. It was the first time we had seen the t-shirt artwork concept come to fruition, and the sight of many audience members peeling off the clothes they had come in and proudly donning the t-shirt was, for us, one of those ultimately weird but great trips. Dave's & Alan's new albums were both on sale(get them now - they demand your attention) Copies of Yule Ritual had ran out, but the poster advertising the tour is a true collectors item. Also available was the car sticker that featured on the earlier tour. Advertised for next year are Starfield's new single and album. That's the deal on the merchandise. Bedouin: Are tonight's support, and we have to confess we missed it, sorry about that. 8.00 pm: And the super stellar attraction that is Hawkwind take the stage. Right off the bat the sound tonight is of audiophile quality, no kidding, this really is the sound you want to hear at a Hawkwind concert.......pure, lucid and transparent. From the introduction to Lighthouse the seated audience are transfixed, they are now in the "Church of Hawkwind". Each song receives its applause and then the audience go back into trance mode, you could be back in the '70's, only the clouds of dope are missing. This particular incarnation of the band gives the music yet another perspective. Dave, of course, is still the central hub.. if you like, and we still believe that he is sending out telepathic messages to the rest of the band, how else could they play this good, the timing and chord changes are superb, at no time is your trip disturbed by a bum note. For the encore, Zombie audience rise from the dead and proceed to gyrate their bodies to the music. They are touched by the wing of the Hawk and can take it no longer. Neither can we, so Salisbury tomorrow night then, hope to see you there. The red orb is glowing. G&A From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Nov 19 03:07:03 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:07:03 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Other: Tour News Message-ID: Subject: Other: Tour News Unfortunately, this is not what it seems. Could it be a case for litigation against use of the Here & Now name? Couldn't get the link below to compose from the dodgy webmail interface but you know where it is. Just look at the names being associated with the legendary free-fest rockers http://www.butlins.co.uk/newsite/hereandnowframeset.htm Mark ---------End of Included Message---------- From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 19 10:09:21 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:09:21 +0000 Subject: Cardiff Message-ID: Cardiff.... A brilliant gig once again. Great to stand up this time and jig around to 'Space is not their Palestine' and a variety of other dance tunes. Certainly the crowd was the most diverse I've seen at hawkwind for years. Jamming and extending the tunes really suits the band. Simon's Violin work was Brilliant. Huw is bang on with the ambient stuff now and Richard & Ali are at tight as ever. Same set as previous nights... No continental women / men taking their clothes off, but Simon was wearing a fetching pair of sparkly tights. Nice to meet and talk with Colm, Arin, Eric and Jim ( Lasko). Arin & Eric, hope you made it to Hitchin. I have some nice pictures developed from Swindon and Cardiff, I'll get them scanned and put them up somewhere. So forward onto Dublin !!!!!! regards iain Colm McWilliams wrote: > Just got back from an excellent weekend spent in Cardiff. Managed to see > Hawkwind on friday night at the coal exchange with a few friends of mine. > the place seemed pretty packed, the band was there usual excellent selves, > with the watcher being the stand out track for me. The sound was ok , could > hear Huw's guitar solos pretty well though but couldn't hear much of simon > house on keyboards but his violin work was coming out pretty clear. It was > good to say hi to Arin and Iain both off this list and put some faces to > names. I'm looking forward to the Brighton and walthamstow gigs now! > > cheers > > colm From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 19 11:37:44 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:37:44 +0000 Subject: HW: ALi Davey - The final Call. Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just arrived today.. Its awesome !!!!!!!! can't believe how good this is. Most of it is very Ambient. lots of whooshing and bubbles ( if know what I mean :-) Can't believe that this album, the Dave Brock Memo's & Demos and the Yule Ritual are all so good...... Three great albums all at once HAHAHA anyone would have thought the band were on tour and its nearly christmas... Regards iain From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 19 15:30:31 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:30:31 -0500 Subject: HW: SG trivia--trainspotters only! Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:38:13 +0000, Steve Pond wrote: >On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:22:57 -0500, you sent through the ether: > >>Cool page! Tempts me to do the same with my Ric basses > > >Is it done yet? > >-S. >-waiting patiently.. Um ... don't hold your breath :^). Maybe once I get a digital camera ... plus, I was busy recording with one of 'em (and violin, Polymoog [I still can't believe my friends found a tech to fix it!], piano, Yamaha CS- 15D ... ) this weekend ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 19 16:01:50 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: DISCLAIMER/ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: Pretty much all of the "information" I present comes from Bernhard's gig track/personnel lists, so any research credit belongs to him, not me. I'm just processing the existing information ... On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:42:53 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:48:30 +0100, J D >> wrote: >> > Has anybody ever compiled a league table of "service time in HW"? >> >> There's the personnel list that just gives the years that certain people >> were involved in the band ... > > Which is roughly what I aimed at, now corrected in the light of >the information Doug kindly appended below, which I *id* read before I >replied to the original message, but by the time I did that had forgot >he'd included. Another important note - the dates I list are the periods during which the individuals in question *performed* with Hawkwind. Many of them may have *recorded* with Hawkwind on dates outside the ones I list, but like I said, my information is coming exclusively from the gig lists ... >You follow me? No matter. Anyway, one or two petty >quibbles: > >> >> Rob Heaton >> *1* gig (Stonehenge '83), and part of the 'Earth Ritual Preview' EP; I >> think we may have a winner! > > Steve Taylor scores lower with just one gig, I believe, the Ones >Who Are Left performance; Yep. You are correct ... >but, on the other and, wasn't that one track on >the ERP, `Night of the Hawks', actually from the Stonehenge gig? I don't think that any part of the 'Night of the Hawks'/'Earth Ritual Preview' EP was recorded live. There is that 'Stonehenge 83' boot LP, though. >> >> Steve Bemand >> He should probably be treated as a guest, not a member. Like Dumpy, >> Arthur Brown, Samantha Fox, etc. > > Dammit, I'd forgotten Dumpy. And moreover I don't have this >document Doug is citing so if anyone wants to tell me wat dates Bemand and >Dumpy were around between I'd be most grateful. Dumpy guested at the following dates: Reading | Festival | 24.08.1986 Finsbury Park | Acid Daze | 23.08.1987 Folkestone | Leas Cliff Hall | 21.09.1987 London | Hammersmith Odeon | 21.04.1988 Pentrich | Coneygrey Showground | 30.07.1999 Steve Bemand, OTOH, probably *shouldn't* be treated as a guest, since he filled in for Dave on a full tour (I was confusing him with someone else). He played 24 gigs, 12.03.1991 - 10.04.1991. >> Paul Hayles - no studio, 15 gigs (3/78) plus 1 as Sonic Assassins 12/77 > > Really 03/78? Only I thougt he was part of the revived Hawkwind >after the failure of the Hawklords venture, which was ongoing till nearly >the end of that year surely? No, he was the fill-in for Simon House on the second half of the spring '78 US tour. Steve Swindells was the Hawklords keyboardist, and was replaced by Tim Blake when Hawkwind regrouped. >> Tim Blake - Levitation, 40 gigs (9/79-10/80) >> Ginger Baker - Levitation, 46 gigs (10/80-2/81) >> Keith Hale - no studio, 34 gigs (10/80-2/81) > > Again, here, are you sure? That leaves only a month for Blake and >Baker to be on _Levitation_ in... Ginger Baker *joined* before 10/80, but like I said, the dates I listed were all based on gigs, so he just didn't *perform* with Hawkwind before 10/80 (the Blake/Baker lineup only did the first 8 gigs of the tour, before Tim was replaced with roadie Twink, then Hale). >Also, Hale got some studio time in as we >have `Dangerous Visions' to prove... "Dangerous Visions" was recorded live, I believe 18.12.1980, LONDON, LEWISHAM ODEON, same as most of side 1 of 'Zones' (except for the title track and the Moorcock track) and all of the first LP of 'This is Hawkwind : Do Not Panic'. >> Fred Reeves - no studio, 38 gigs (6/83-7/84) > > Didn't realise he was in that long! How come he managed to escape >being recorded even live? Mischance (or chance)? One more reason why I wish the full 'Earth Ritual' album had been recorded. It would've been great to have something from the Brock / Bainbridge / Lloyd-Langton / Turner / Reeves / Deamer lineup. Fred was a *fantastic* keyboard player, and great songwriter, and probably could have had a lot to contribute. He's EXCELLENT on the 'Stonehenge 83' boot IMO. >> Paul Cobbold - studio engineer, played percussion on CotBS, no gigs > > Um, Dave Charles surely? (And is that the same Dave Charles wom >the Manband archive pages claim has played in every Man-connected band but >never Man itself? Because if so that would make connected Man and Hawkwind >by personnel much easier than it currently seems to be). I think you're >thinking of Cobbold's guest slot on _Out and Intake_. Yes, you're correct there. And I'm certain it would be the same Dave Charles, since both Man and Rockfield Studios are Welsh, and closely associated with one another. >> Mick Kirton - no studio, 9 gigs (8/88-10/88) > > Did Chadwick officially arrive in 1988 then? Or was the drum stool >vacant till next year? Richard's first gig was Bournemouth Academy, 28.11.1988. >> Bridget Wishart - 83(!) gigs (6/89-4/91) > > That is truly impressive. Where did the band suddenly acquire >energy from? Yeah! The band was playing out a LOT then, and it shows in the quality of their performances during that era. That was Hawkwind's post-1978 peak IMHO. Although from reports of the current tour, it sounds like they're now at their greatest peak since 89/90 (and Simon House has been in both lineups ... hmmmm ...). >> Crum - 33 gigs (10/97-11/97) plus 10 gigs (Agents of Chaos) in 88/89 > > Also around in 1988/1989. no? Or am I only dreaming? Only the 10-some gigs with Agents of Chaos. No official *Hawkwind* gigs. >> Someone else can do the math for "length-of-tenure". Obviously very >> different results, since Ron Tree didn't play very many more gigs with >> Hawkwind in six YEARS than Thom Crimble did with Hawkwind in six MONTHS. > > And that's just shameful really. Well ... I don't think 1971 is a fair comparison. I don't think the bandmembers were doing ANYTHING except gigging and recording back then ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 19 15:58:58 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:58:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: Doug said... >>> >> Rob Heaton >>> *1* gig (Stonehenge '83), and part of the 'Earth Ritual Preview' EP; I >>> think we may have a winner! >> >> Steve Taylor scores lower with just one gig, I believe, the Ones >>Who Are Left performance; > >Yep. You are correct ... Uh, wait a sec...Steve Taylor played bass on the entire NZ/Oz tour last year. Grakkl (FAA) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 19 16:25:57 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:25:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:58:58 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Doug said... > >>> Steve Taylor scores lower with just one gig, I believe, the Ones >>>Who Are Left performance; >> >>Yep. You are correct ... > >Uh, wait a sec...Steve Taylor played bass on the entire NZ/Oz tour last >year. Oops. Yeah, that would be Steve HAYES who played just the Ones Who Are Left gig ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 19 14:06:30 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:06:30 -0000 Subject: HW: ALi Davey - The final Call. Message-ID: and the Bedouin album - don't forget the Bedouin album - makes four absolute classics and they are all in stock here and now for anyone missing any one of these four gems, including Brock which arrived today - hallelujah!!! For those who object to using the list to promote sales here, apologies but I do not have time to create a website for this stuff right now - to the rest of you..... Also got the last of the Bainbridge 'Red Shift' CD-R's, ditto to Alman-Mulo-Afrodisiac CD-R. There's one shield left up for grabs, while the EBS remains consist of: Area S4 12" Area S4 CD single Love In Space CD single Psych Warriors-White Zone CD (jewel case) Undisclosed Files (normal CD) Alien 4 CD (jewel case) Sonic Attack CD (the real one) Choose Your Masques CD Distant Horizons CD Business Trip Live CASSETTE Spacehead-Of Stars And Time CD Tribe Of Cro-Sporadic Spyrogyra CD Alan Davey-Captured Rotation CD plus, more expensively (don;t blame me!!!): Quark 12" Spirit of the age solstice remixes 12"/cassette and CD singles Decide Your Future 12", EBS CD single and Griffin CD single This is now all there is of EBS stuff, so last chances anyone. Andy G. andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "iain ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: HW: ALi Davey - The final Call. > Hi Folks, > > Just arrived today.. Its awesome !!!!!!!! can't believe how good this > is. Most of it is very Ambient. lots of whooshing and bubbles ( if know > what I mean :-) > > Can't believe that this album, the Dave Brock Memo's & Demos and the > Yule Ritual are all so good...... Three great albums all at once HAHAHA > anyone would have thought the band were on tour and its nearly > christmas... > > > Regards > iain From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Mon Nov 19 19:01:59 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:01:59 -0500 Subject: Sad News for Can fans... Message-ID: Michael Karoli died while playing guitar in his home on Saturday November 17. I haven't heard any further details as to cause of death etc. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 19 19:24:51 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:24:51 -0000 Subject: Sad News for Can fans... Message-ID: apparently heart attack but unconfirmed by me just now. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Sad News for Can fans... > Michael Karoli died while playing guitar in his home on Saturday November > 17. I haven't heard any further details as to cause of death etc. > John Majka > jmajka2 at home.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 19 19:41:01 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:41:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Weird 6 Message-ID: If anyone's still stuck for a source, try www.glitterhouse.de First time I've bought from them, I was impressed: cheap and very fast. -- Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 19 19:44:58 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:44:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: M. Karoli Message-ID: http://www.czukay.de/news/index.html and www.damosuzuki.de Great shame Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: OFF: M. Karoli > Holy Shit... > > I just heard terrible news...Michael Karoli has died?!?! Is that true? > > Christ.... > > Grakkl (FAA) From roger at DUMPYSRUSTYNUTS.NET Tue Nov 20 04:09:47 2001 From: roger at DUMPYSRUSTYNUTS.NET (Roger Wynne-Jones) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Service time league table > DISCLAIMER/ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: Pretty much all of the "information" I present > comes from Bernhard's gig track/personnel lists, so any research credit > belongs to him, not me. I'm just processing the existing information ... > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:42:53 +0000, Jon Jarrett > wrote: > >On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 03:48:30 +0100, J D > >> wrote: >snip > >> >> Steve Bemand > >> He should probably be treated as a guest, not a member. Like Dumpy, > >> Arthur Brown, Samantha Fox, etc. > > > > Dammit, I'd forgotten Dumpy. And moreover I don't have this > >document Doug is citing so if anyone wants to tell me wat dates Bemand and > >Dumpy were around between I'd be most grateful. > > Dumpy guested at the following dates: > Reading | Festival | 24.08.1986 > Finsbury Park | Acid Daze | 23.08.1987 > Folkestone | Leas Cliff Hall | 21.09.1987 > London | Hammersmith Odeon | 21.04.1988 > Pentrich | Coneygrey Showground | 30.07.1999 > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com > Dumpy also did a guest spot with Hawkwind at the rock and Blues festival held at Donington this year, did a stunning version of Sonic Attack, goggles guitar and all, missed his cue to come on tho........... more info on DRN and piccies of Donington , Lemmy playing with DRN, Dumpy playing with Hawkwind at Reading and loads more at www.dumpysrustynuts.net managed to see Hawkwind this tour at Nottingham Rock city with Gong and Saturday at Hitchin.with Bedouin......both splendid gigs cheers Roger From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Tue Nov 20 07:01:56 2001 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (Dave Hess) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:01:56 EST Subject: HW: Service time league table Message-ID: Date:? ? Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:58:58 -0500 From:? ? K Henderson Subject: Re: HW: Service time league table Doug said... >>> >> Rob Heaton >>> *1* gig (Stonehenge '83), and part of the 'Earth Ritual Preview' EP; I >>> think we may have a winner! >> >>? ? ? ? Steve Taylor scores lower with just one gig, I believe, the Ones >>Who Are Left performance; > >Yep.? You are correct ... >Uh, wait a sec...Steve Taylor played bass on the entire NZ/Oz tour last year. >Grakkl (FAA) Steve Hayse played only 1 gig the Ones Who Are Left performance C-Yaaaaaaaaaa Dave I I /\\ /I /\ /--l--I\ I I---\ I-- I----\ I------I /----\\ /\ / I/ \ /\ / I I \ I I I I- I I I I/ \\/ \/ I \ \/ \/ --I--I \I I__/ I_ I__/ From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 19 20:29:06 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:29:06 -0000 Subject: SALISBURY CITY HALL Message-ID: A fast journey through a darkened New Forest brings us to tonight's gig in Salisbury city. This is special, for The Hi Fi Company are playing support. Members of Eatstatic And Tangerine Dream(Merv Pepler and Steve Joliffe} have come together for a world premiere performance..........in Salisbury.....uhhhhhhh. Unfortuntely, this much anticipated venture sounds like so many other techno-trance outfits. Its good, but there is nothing new happening here to our ears, so we go into audience watching mode. There's a dance floor at the venue, and young and old(er) audience members are making the best of it. You can also smoke!, so we are definitely having a good time(DFFL). Ron Tree is also spotted, mingling with the crowd. Nine fifteen and the band take the stage in high spirits. All thoughts of mortal conceptuality disappear in a cloud of smoke. Hawkwind are on fire tonight. After the blistering mind assault that was Poole Arts Centre we had no reason to expect that it could get any better, but it does. The single thought is that they have no right to sound this good. There has to be some supernatural/alien connection going on here. At Poole we established that Dave Brock definitely has advanced telepathic abilities, last night in Salisbury confirmed it. Attune your head correctly and you can actually see his thought patterns. They are green, laser like, and at times spell out "Hawkwind" on the walls at the rear of the hall. Huw is having a ball......all hail Huw, the man with the guitar that fuels and ignites the mighty Hawkwind mix. Richard's drumming has reached a tribal nexus and must surely be the ultimate Hawk-Engine with Ali completing the fuel-injection mixture. Captain Black's and Simon's simultaneous keyboarding skills are a most welcome addition to the current line-up. We must also mention that Simon's violin is possessed, but an exorcism is definitely not required. All this... plus.. rear projections/strobes/smoke machine - what more do you want people? - Catch this tour! It is such a cool deal watching the continual progression of Hawkwind. Credit to a band that are ever-experimenting after all these years. It would be so easy just to appease the die-hards by playing Brainstorm, Silver Machine etc ...... but no, evolving musically is a constant with Hawkwind, and whether you agree with it or not, you certainly have to respect it. HAWKWIND = RESPECT. Backstage, its hard to believe that the relaxed Dave (who is a terribly friendly chap) and other members of the band are really The Sonic Assassin's, worshipped this world over, plus several other planets within this solar system. They are real genuine people, a family, albeit a large one. Our thanks to Dave and the band and to the ever amazing Kris Tait for looking after us so well. It should not be forgotten that this lady does an incredible amount of work behind the scenes and we definitely have her autograph!!!! - She's great. We have had a great time Gary&Anna From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Nov 21 16:40:48 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:40:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: This list is rather quiet at the moment! Updates to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html) -Band Chat 25/06/01 added. (This is a transcript from an unannounced IRC chat, which list members may have already seen as I posted it at the time) -2 new T-shirt designs added. (Doremi shield and Roadhawks poster) -Kerb Crawler added to tablature -Damnation Alley, missing lyrics added to tablature -2 new links added (thanks to Nick Medford for the makemyday.fr.free link) -minor update to Dave Brock's guitar stuff, about the Ibanez Artist I should have some previously unseen photos of Nik and Huw there soon. (Ben?) Steve (a.k.a. Starfarer/Moonglum/mooongluum) From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 17:35:11 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:35:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Changing snog titles Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > Ah, crap.... > > How could I have missed the obvious??? (Thought about the last word there > too, but decided in favor of decorum.) > > Grakkl (FAA), who imagines that public snogging may now be legal in the > streets of Kabul but what would the synod think? and their lesbian girlfriends? From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 17:39:25 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:39:25 +0000 Subject: HW Changing song titles Message-ID: Steve Johnson wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/01 8:22:54 PM GMT Standard Time, > jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > So while we're on the subject, here's a trivia question: > > What was the last Hawkwind live album with 100% correct songwriting > > credits? > > Live Chronicles. > > Gutter Cat. Obvious I know, but how'd you know? eh?? can you prove they are real? don't believe what you read? how d'you know they are their real names and they didn't "swap" names at some VERY dim and distant point in time? Or maybe there was an accident with their birth records, huh? Who knows, maybe we're all cosmic victims/co-conspirators in some vast, cosmic victimisation/co-conspiracy???????? As theories, I think mine is fair. f. rat From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 17:55:34 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:55:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: M. Karoli Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > http://www.czukay.de/news/index.html > and > www.damosuzuki.de > Great shame > Andy G. Awful, just awful. From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 17:58:54 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:58:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: test & conspiracies?? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 21 19:17:31 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:17:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: well - the Turner camp has gone to ground, the Brock camp is on tour, the UK fans are still recovering from the expense of the gigs& the merchandise while a lot of people are getting into four new albums (Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - phew!!! no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! Andy G.(in humour mode) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moonglum ." To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > This list is rather quiet at the moment! > > Updates to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html) > > -Band Chat 25/06/01 added. (This is a transcript from an unannounced IRC > chat, which list members may have already seen as I posted it at the time) > > -2 new T-shirt designs added. (Doremi shield and Roadhawks poster) > > -Kerb Crawler added to tablature > > -Damnation Alley, missing lyrics added to tablature > > -2 new links added (thanks to Nick Medford for the makemyday.fr.free link) > > -minor update to Dave Brock's guitar stuff, about the Ibanez Artist > > I should have some previously unseen photos of Nik and Huw there soon. > (Ben?) > > Steve (a.k.a. Starfarer/Moonglum/mooongluum) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 21 20:10:37 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:10:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:17:31 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >well - the Turner camp has gone to ground, the Brock camp is on tour, >the UK fans are still recovering from the expense of the gigs& the >merchandise while a lot of people are getting into four new albums >(Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - >phew!!! no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! Not to mention that it's an extended holiday weekend here in the States, so some of us yanks are probably out on the road. Unfortunately for me, a home computer meltdown means that I'll be falling behind on reading email and duplicating CD's. Arrrgh! Time to buy a new hard drive ... >Andy G.(in humour mode) Have a great Thanksgiving (those of you in the USA, anyway!) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 17:52:16 2001 From: hawkfan at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (f. rat) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:52:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: test & conspiracies?? Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 20:20:54 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:20:54 -0000 Subject: HW: The Tour Continues - Torquay Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > well - the Turner camp has gone to ground, the Brock camp is on tour, the UK > fans are still recovering from the expense of the gigs& the merchandise > while a lot of people are getting into four new albums > (Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - phew!!! > no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! > Andy G.(in humour mode) nope we're all trying to catch up on 500 unread mesages and wondering where to get the cash and tickets together to make the trip to Walthamstow to catch the Hawks as they finish this tour - cos they are just amazing at the moment. Seven people on stage at Torquay. Simon House in green shorts, white tights and and long, long black wig........... ?eh. the haute-coiture (coiffeure?) of the fashion scene ...I dunno!. Otherwise hats are the Hawk scene just now (hat-coiture?) - Capt. Black's was a Russian one. It was great to have the background synth spacey swoosh sounds again and Jez Huggett (spelling?) brought a saxaphone and (something else!) to enhance the sound. It really is worth while hearing several shows - as different people join it makes a huge difference to the more impromptu sections in tracks like Angels of Death, Hassan I Sahba. Thanks to Arin I got in to hear the sound check - which was a revelation! There's a suggestion, there's a comment, then each person briefly tries out a version of the new idea, two people play it together, someone else adds something in the background, everyone looks satisfied and when you hear it an hour or so later it's as if the whole thing has been rehearsed for months! How do they do that??! No dancers (mercifully). No fire-eating either. Kris Tain gave herself quite a nasty burn at Newcastle so she was backstage at Torquay but is not performing at the moment. I hope you are feeling ok Kris. Only a very small audience arrived to see the support - a competent group of 3 whose lead (lady) singer has a style reminiscent of Debbie Harry (I think) but very polite - she thanked Dave Brock for letting them join the tour - but there was a surge from the bars after the interval and the stalls filled up fairly well. Stunning Golden Void in the encore. My brother-in-law who came along was very impressed (and he doesn't usually admit to that). He last saw Hawkwind in the 1980s and I think is now wishing he'd seen them rather more often since then. I strongly recommend that if anyone can get to Walthamstow on Saturday you should do so. Arin and some of the others are staying at the Eccleston Quality Hotel near Victoria (where we all were for the Hawkwind Astoria gig). Not sure if the band are staying there or not though. It's all a bit vague now! But everyone should come! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 21 20:19:28 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:19:28 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts Message-ID: Andy G. thus spake... >while a lot of people are getting into four new albums >(Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - phew!!! >no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! Well, over here in the states folx are travelling a great deal due to the fact that tomorrow is a holiday. And I assume folx in the UK are still travelling around from all the gigs and all. Let's see...what can I bring up? Oh, I see there's some sort of strange fantasy fiction novel out called "The Legend of Hawkwind" by Adrian Drake, and no...unlike the Butterworth books, this one doesn't appear to have any relation to Hawkwind the band. Rudy from the Falcata-Galia label in California (related to the Transparency label that released the 2CD Nik - TG F&R deal) tells me that the new Farflung CD (When Science Fails) is due to be released in about two weeks. So look for that one. Weird is that a lineup I saw didn't include mention of Len Del Rio, but had a few other guys who I'd never heard of, in addition to Tommy and Brandon. In the local used CD store I saw second-hand copies of Brainticket's two discs on Cleo/PP...Voyage and Adventure. Both for $5. If anyone's been looking for either/both of these, I can pick 'em up for you and mail 'em to you. $6 domestic, ppd. Note that I've heard that some of these came out misprinted (switched one for the other), but the ones I have are just fine. So I can't guarantee that these are what they say they are, but if you got both, it might not be a big deal anyway. Another local store actually stocked two of the Weird Tapes CDs! That's pretty amazing for Columbus, OH. Oddly enough, it was 103 and 104, the two that I *just* ordered from Voiceprint directly. In the end, the cost would have ended up just the same if I'd bought them here. I think they had them for $14 + tax, which is a pretty good deal considering the distribution is probably fairly convoluted getting all the way to High Street, Columbus. Jerry, if you're looking to buy one of 'em, there's a good spot (Singing Dog...Classic 70s section). Down further south on High Street is Magnolia Thunderpussy, that has a fair number of Hawkwind CDs, but they usually have mostly the crap ones. They do have the Live '79 double, and also Glasters '90 (sadly enough), but at $14 or so, they're not completely gouging people for something that they probably don't even know is pretty lousy sounding, great gig or no. King Crimson is coming to Columbus next week, and I'm wondering if there's any great reason to go. I've never seen the band before in any incarnation, and frankly have no clue as to what they've been doing lately. It seems like they have seven different versions doing seven different styles of music. The four guys in the photo are Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp, and then two guys I don't really know, although I think one of the guys is Trey Gunn, who I don't know from Adam (is he a bassist?). I do like Adrian Belew, at least as a solo artist, and think Lone Rhino was brilliant (why it's not on CD is beyond me...the compilation that included a good half of it was a start but hardly adequate). I think I've seen him three or four times, and once with the Psychodots as his backing band (and opening band), which was then essentially the same band as the Bears. Nearly local they is, being from Cincinnati/Covington. Well, anyway, my fandom of King Crimson is fairly limited - I think the first album was great and of some importance. Then I lose interest as they got into the tragic "excesses" of progdom, the sort of thing that led to Yes' "Tales of Topographic Oceans," but then (like Yes with Rabin) they brought in a melodic pop influence (Belew) and had some success in a different sense. Those albums like 'Beat' and what was it? "Red" or "Discipline"? Whatever...the ones with "Elephant Talk" and "Thela Hun Jinjeet" - that sort of stuff was interesting at times, with the occasional 'what the f*ck?'. "Three of a Perfect Pair" the song I liked also. But overall, my interest in King Crimson is spotty and if I had it to do over again, I probably would come to the conclusion that 'In the Court...' and 'Lone Rhino' are the two albums that I really need to have from this lot. Although 'Inner Revolution' and even the Bowie-period Belew album were fun at times...that "I Am What I Am" is great anyway. Forget the awful Orbison-cover thing - ick. I'm just rambling on without any point or direction, so feel free to move on any time. It's a four-day holiday and nobody's around so I have the music (the totally awesome new Into the Abyss (Athens, Greece) CD "Adrenochrome" - if you like bombastic stately gothic proggy rock with psychedelic overtones, then....) cranked up pretty loud and am just putting off doing anything productive (like that doesn't happen ever day anyway), so bear with me. I've got a heap of Quarkspace CD's to send out yet. Probably get to that during the weekend proper. Some of you will get one of the dozen or so CDR's that I burned up myself. Some of you will be lucky enough to get one of the actual manufactured CDs that Paul actually had made. I think they did do a run of 300 but then stopped short of having the artwork/booklets done once they decided to offer it as a freebie. Not sure yet if the artwork that was started is complete enough to just offer up as a couple jpg's to print out. If so, and I get them, I'll put them up somewhere to grab. The show Saturday night (ostensibly Quarkspace's final gig) was really a great time. Lots of guests showed up to play at certain points, and it had the most variety of any Quarkspace gig I'd been to. The guests included (in order of performance)... Richard Orlando (guitar) Carl "No-Muzik" Howard (synths) Matt Kearns (guitar) Darren Gough (guitar) Bevin Lynch (vocals) Kendra Lewis (vocals) Darren of course was an 'original' member, at least from when they started making CDs, and I think Paul said that Matt had also been a member long ago and that he'd come in from Oregon to guest. Ritchie Orlando of course is Alien Planetscapes' past (and now again present) guitarist and it was great to have him come in from NYC to play on four or five tracks, including a very different version of 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' (the band's name origin as you might have guessed) full of wonderful e-piano stylings from "Prog Boy" Jay Swanson and Chet strumming on an acoustic guitar while Ritchie made up a nice solo once he got plugged in two-thirds of the way through the song (probably a good six minute version). I think I'll try to get Paul to put up an .mp3 of this track at least (I know he recorded the whole gig to digital disc) as I'm sure lots of you would be interested in hearing the patented Quarkspace 'jazz-fusion' version of 'Quark.' :) Other covers performed throughout the night were Traffic's "Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys" and Neil Young's "Down By the River" which was the post-2 AM finale with all the various folx jamming outright on the cramped Ruby Tuesday stage with great aplomb. "Low Spark" was the time that Carl H. got to plug in his 'audio-generator/oscillator' type synth (sorry Doug - no idea what it was) and he cranked it up and played some totally freaked and whacked sh*t. Which was completely inappropriate for the song as it were, but then it was rather funny in that way and at some point later during the 'jam' bit, it all came oddly together and sounded great. Carl hung around for a few more space-jam-improv numbers where he was right at home. Q-Space saved some of the new stuff for the last set when the 'girls' got up and sang along, to the title track at least, which is starting to grow on me now. Earlier in the set, they did the 'Pavlovian Causeway' tune (I think) which is one of the coolest totally-spaced numbers they have done lately. I know they did 'In the Shadows' again like they did at Strange Daze (or at least here at the Columbus Quimby show), 'cause I remember that that was the time where Paul's gear freaked out on him or something, and the whole band got totally out of sequence or something. Well, that's what he gets for writing such a pleasant little ditty in 5/4 or whatever. OK, how am I doing? It's been fun reading the gig reports from the UK shows. I'd love to be there of course, but at least we're getting firsthand nollidge of the goings-on. I'm still rather disappointed to learn that Tim B. was dumped or whatever happened. Anybody get the word on what went down yet? And I hear from Hardy via Jerry that Quimby (who were bumped from the two Scottish gigs due to space limitations, pun not intended) will now open for Hawkwind at the 'Christmas 2001' gig in London (will it be the Astoria again?). So make sure y'all make it down to that one early. It looks pretty definite that I'll be moving to Switzerland next year come July 1st, so not that anyone really cares I suppose, but it'll be different for me getting to see different gigs and fests there but then missing what we have here at the same time. And although I'll be working with a group at the University of Berne, I'll actually be living and working near Zurich at the Paul Scherrer Institute. So I'll be darn close to the German border, perhaps 20 miles southeast of Basel. I don't know any Swiss bands whatsoever, unless you count the aforementioned Brainticket that spent some time there. Do we have any Swiss boc-l listmembers? I don't recall seeing any .ch email addresses appear here. Oh, BTW, the .ch stands for Confederato Helvetica, which is the original Latin name for the country now know more as Switzerland, or Suisse, or Schweiz, whatever. Luckily, most everyone over there speaks English pretty well as I am pretty inept at any foreign language, including German that I even studied in college (the first time, back in the 80s) for my chemistry degree. Well, ok, I have to go pee, so I think I'll wrap this doggerel up and head out and mebbe get some vittles as well. Vittles is food in case you didn't know - surely you've seen the Beverley Hillbillies? Comes from 'victuals' meaning 'that which sustains life.' I suppose that could also mean space rock. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Anybody have Freedom's Children - Astra (So. Africa 1970)? Sounds like something to get from what I've read. Now out on CD in Germany (Repertoire?). From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Nov 21 20:47:59 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:47:59 -0600 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts - King Crimson Message-ID: Keith: One word. GO! You won't be disappointed. King Crimson live will blow your socks off in any incarnation. Robert Fripp alone is worth going. Forget what the albums sound like. Hope you don't smoke cigarettes, though. They banned it at a show in New Orleans. Trey Gunn, but the way, was on the John Paul Jones album "Zooma", for what it's worth. (Actually, I think the album screamed for Plant to be a vocalist, but that's another story......)..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: HW: OFF: random thoughts > Andy G. thus spake... > > >while a lot of people are getting into four new albums > >(Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - phew!!! > >no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! > > Well, over here in the states folx are travelling a great deal due to the > fact that tomorrow is a holiday. And I assume folx in the UK are still > travelling around from all the gigs and all. > > Let's see...what can I bring up? > > Oh, I see there's some sort of strange fantasy fiction novel out called "The > Legend of Hawkwind" by Adrian Drake, and no...unlike the Butterworth books, > this one doesn't appear to have any relation to Hawkwind the band. > > Rudy from the Falcata-Galia label in California (related to the Transparency > label that released the 2CD Nik - TG F&R deal) tells me that the new > Farflung CD (When Science Fails) is due to be released in about two weeks. > So look for that one. Weird is that a lineup I saw didn't include mention > of Len Del Rio, but had a few other guys who I'd never heard of, in addition > to Tommy and Brandon. > > In the local used CD store I saw second-hand copies of Brainticket's two > discs on Cleo/PP...Voyage and Adventure. Both for $5. If anyone's been > looking for either/both of these, I can pick 'em up for you and mail 'em to > you. $6 domestic, ppd. Note that I've heard that some of these came out > misprinted (switched one for the other), but the ones I have are just fine. > So I can't guarantee that these are what they say they are, but if you got > both, it might not be a big deal anyway. > > Another local store actually stocked two of the Weird Tapes CDs! That's > pretty amazing for Columbus, OH. Oddly enough, it was 103 and 104, the two > that I *just* ordered from Voiceprint directly. In the end, the cost would > have ended up just the same if I'd bought them here. I think they had them > for $14 + tax, which is a pretty good deal considering the distribution is > probably fairly convoluted getting all the way to High Street, Columbus. > Jerry, if you're looking to buy one of 'em, there's a good spot (Singing > Dog...Classic 70s section). > > Down further south on High Street is Magnolia Thunderpussy, that has a fair > number of Hawkwind CDs, but they usually have mostly the crap ones. They do > have the Live '79 double, and also Glasters '90 (sadly enough), but at $14 > or so, they're not completely gouging people for something that they > probably don't even know is pretty lousy sounding, great gig or no. > > King Crimson is coming to Columbus next week, and I'm wondering if there's > any great reason to go. I've never seen the band before in any incarnation, > and frankly have no clue as to what they've been doing lately. It seems > like they have seven different versions doing seven different styles of > music. The four guys in the photo are Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp, and > then two guys I don't really know, although I think one of the guys is Trey > Gunn, who I don't know from Adam (is he a bassist?). I do like Adrian > Belew, at least as a solo artist, and think Lone Rhino was brilliant (why > it's not on CD is beyond me...the compilation that included a good half of > it was a start but hardly adequate). I think I've seen him three or four > times, and once with the Psychodots as his backing band (and opening band), > which was then essentially the same band as the Bears. Nearly local they > is, being from Cincinnati/Covington. Well, anyway, my fandom of King > Crimson is fairly limited - I think the first album was great and of some > importance. Then I lose interest as they got into the tragic "excesses" of > progdom, the sort of thing that led to Yes' "Tales of Topographic Oceans," > but then (like Yes with Rabin) they brought in a melodic pop influence > (Belew) and had some success in a different sense. Those albums like 'Beat' > and what was it? "Red" or "Discipline"? Whatever...the ones with "Elephant > Talk" and "Thela Hun Jinjeet" - that sort of stuff was interesting at times, > with the occasional 'what the f*ck?'. "Three of a Perfect Pair" the song I > liked also. But overall, my interest in King Crimson is spotty and if I had > it to do over again, I probably would come to the conclusion that 'In the > Court...' and 'Lone Rhino' are the two albums that I really need to have > from this lot. Although 'Inner Revolution' and even the Bowie-period Belew > album were fun at times...that "I Am What I Am" is great anyway. Forget the > awful Orbison-cover thing - ick. I'm just rambling on without any point or > direction, so feel free to move on any time. > > It's a four-day holiday and nobody's around so I have the music (the totally > awesome new Into the Abyss (Athens, Greece) CD "Adrenochrome" - if you like > bombastic stately gothic proggy rock with psychedelic overtones, then....) > cranked up pretty loud and am just putting off doing anything productive > (like that doesn't happen ever day anyway), so bear with me. > > I've got a heap of Quarkspace CD's to send out yet. Probably get to that > during the weekend proper. Some of you will get one of the dozen or so > CDR's that I burned up myself. Some of you will be lucky enough to get one > of the actual manufactured CDs that Paul actually had made. I think they > did do a run of 300 but then stopped short of having the artwork/booklets > done once they decided to offer it as a freebie. Not sure yet if the artwork > that was started is complete enough to just offer up as a couple jpg's to > print out. If so, and I get them, I'll put them up somewhere to grab. > > The show Saturday night (ostensibly Quarkspace's final gig) was really a > great time. Lots of guests showed up to play at certain points, and it had > the most variety of any Quarkspace gig I'd been to. > > The guests included (in order of performance)... > Richard Orlando (guitar) > Carl "No-Muzik" Howard (synths) > Matt Kearns (guitar) > Darren Gough (guitar) > Bevin Lynch (vocals) > Kendra Lewis (vocals) > > Darren of course was an 'original' member, at least from when they started > making CDs, and I think Paul said that Matt had also been a member long ago > and that he'd come in from Oregon to guest. Ritchie Orlando of course is > Alien Planetscapes' past (and now again present) guitarist and it was great > to have him come in from NYC to play on four or five tracks, including a > very different version of 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' (the band's name > origin as you might have guessed) full of wonderful e-piano stylings from > "Prog Boy" Jay Swanson and Chet strumming on an acoustic guitar while > Ritchie made up a nice solo once he got plugged in two-thirds of the way > through the song (probably a good six minute version). I think I'll try to > get Paul to put up an .mp3 of this track at least (I know he recorded the > whole gig to digital disc) as I'm sure lots of you would be interested in > hearing the patented Quarkspace 'jazz-fusion' version of 'Quark.' :) > > Other covers performed throughout the night were Traffic's "Low Spark of > High-Heeled Boys" and Neil Young's "Down By the River" which was the post-2 > AM finale with all the various folx jamming outright on the cramped Ruby > Tuesday stage with great aplomb. "Low Spark" was the time that Carl H. got > to plug in his 'audio-generator/oscillator' type synth (sorry Doug - no idea > what it was) and he cranked it up and played some totally freaked and > whacked sh*t. Which was completely inappropriate for the song as it were, > but then it was rather funny in that way and at some point later during the > 'jam' bit, it all came oddly together and sounded great. Carl hung around > for a few more space-jam-improv numbers where he was right at home. > > Q-Space saved some of the new stuff for the last set when the 'girls' got up > and sang along, to the title track at least, which is starting to grow on me > now. Earlier in the set, they did the 'Pavlovian Causeway' tune (I think) > which is one of the coolest totally-spaced numbers they have done lately. I > know they did 'In the Shadows' again like they did at Strange Daze (or at > least here at the Columbus Quimby show), 'cause I remember that that was the > time where Paul's gear freaked out on him or something, and the whole band > got totally out of sequence or something. Well, that's what he gets for > writing such a pleasant little ditty in 5/4 or whatever. > > OK, how am I doing? > > It's been fun reading the gig reports from the UK shows. I'd love to be > there of course, but at least we're getting firsthand nollidge of the > goings-on. I'm still rather disappointed to learn that Tim B. was dumped or > whatever happened. Anybody get the word on what went down yet? And I hear > from Hardy via Jerry that Quimby (who were bumped from the two Scottish gigs > due to space limitations, pun not intended) will now open for Hawkwind at > the 'Christmas 2001' gig in London (will it be the Astoria again?). So make > sure y'all make it down to that one early. > > It looks pretty definite that I'll be moving to Switzerland next year come > July 1st, so not that anyone really cares I suppose, but it'll be different > for me getting to see different gigs and fests there but then missing what > we have here at the same time. And although I'll be working with a group at > the University of Berne, I'll actually be living and working near Zurich at > the Paul Scherrer Institute. So I'll be darn close to the German border, > perhaps 20 miles southeast of Basel. I don't know any Swiss bands > whatsoever, unless you count the aforementioned Brainticket that spent some > time there. Do we have any Swiss boc-l listmembers? I don't recall seeing > any .ch email addresses appear here. Oh, BTW, the .ch stands for > Confederato Helvetica, which is the original Latin name for the country now > know more as Switzerland, or Suisse, or Schweiz, whatever. Luckily, most > everyone over there speaks English pretty well as I am pretty inept at any > foreign language, including German that I even studied in college (the first > time, back in the 80s) for my chemistry degree. > > Well, ok, I have to go pee, so I think I'll wrap this doggerel up and head > out and mebbe get some vittles as well. Vittles is food in case you didn't > know - surely you've seen the Beverley Hillbillies? Comes from 'victuals' > meaning 'that which sustains life.' I suppose that could also mean space rock. > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Anybody have Freedom's Children - Astra (So. Africa 1970)? Sounds > like something to get from what I've read. Now out on CD in Germany > (Repertoire?). > From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 21:06:05 2001 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:06:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Brighton Message-ID: Well that went surprisingly well.. The Concorde II is a bit of an awkward shape but they pulled off the light show OK. No problems at all with sound and the like, in fact the only really distressing thing was the combination of silver lame shirt, green sequinned hotpants and red tights... I finally worked out what it is about Hawkwind's drums that's always bothered me. It's taken a while because despite the fact that I *love* drums, Hawkwind's have never managed to hold my attention long enough for me to work out what's wrong. The whole kit and the whole sound is subservient to the hi-hat and a reedy, flat crash. Everything sounds like a reflection of these flat little noises. The snare has this little snap with a fade on the end, that wouldn't make it through warm butter, never mind the full band sound. Comparing with Bedouin's drums, which I thought were fabulous, that snare gives this great sharp crack with a lot of depth to it but a quick finish, and the sound in the toms rolls around so much that when they were being played very continuously at one point, I had to look to double check that the lovely ringing bass note I could hear wasn't coming from anything strung. If i stop and pay attention i can hear that the drums are doing something quite interesting in rhythm patterns, but it's odd because i know that something that goes like *that* should fire me right up but it just doesn't reach me. There was a bit in the middle of Assassins where that flat snare sound was very well used, at a high enough frequency to get into happy techno territory, and that made a lot more sense, but generally, the drums freak me out because they don't get my attention at all, even though I normally feel so directly connected to drums. Nice to be able to identify it, anyway. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 21 21:17:50 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:17:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: random thoughts In-Reply-To: <200111220137.UAA20733@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111220137.UAA20733 at mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes > >King Crimson is coming to Columbus next week, and I'm wondering if there's >any great reason to go. I would definitely go, people who are not easily impressed rave about their live show. Although I've never seen them. I've had a sporadic interest in them over the years but have completely lost track of all the Projekcts etc. I did buy the "Thrakattack" album which was snippets of free improvisation from live performances all edited together to make for a very long and not very rewarding CD (If you want to hear free-jazz meets space-rock done properly, get "Citrus Cloud Cover" by Escapade). So that didn't help. Aside from that, I find I tend to *quite* like KC's stuff rather than love it, although there's the odd flash of brilliance. > Those albums like 'Beat' I have that one, it's not great- very early 80s sound, veering dangerously close to Hall and Oates territory on occasions, although Fripp produces enough interesting noises from his guitars that they avoid sinking quite that far. As I recall it suddenly gets dramatically better for the last two tracks. >and what was it? "Red" Never heard that one > or "Discipline"? Whatever...the ones with "Elephant >Talk" and "Thela Hun Jinjeet" Yeah those are both on Discipline, which is an excellent album. > - that sort of stuff was interesting at times, >with the occasional 'what the f*ck?'. "Three of a Perfect Pair" the song I >liked also Not keen on that- the album of the same name has a side of short poppy songs- largely weak, apart from "Sleepless" which I'm sure I should hate, but I love, and then side 2 is all heavy-duty instrumentals including the superb "Larks Tongues In Aspic Part 3", a follow up to two pieces from 1974. There is, on balance, likely to be some prime material by this band amidst their recent work, but I've no idea what to recommend. Anyone? -- Nick Medford From fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM Wed Nov 21 22:32:14 2001 From: fcinnel1 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM (Frank Cinnella) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:32:14 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts - King Crimson Message-ID: Tom Clark wrote: > > Keith: > > One word. > > GO! > > You won't be disappointed. King Crimson live will blow your socks off in > any incarnation. Robert Fripp alone is worth going. Forget what the albums > sound like. Hope you don't smoke cigarettes, though. They banned it at a > show in New Orleans. > > Trey Gunn, but the way, was on the John Paul Jones album "Zooma", for what > it's worth. (Actually, I think the album screamed for Plant to be a > vocalist, but that's another story......)..... > >John Paul Jones is opening for KC on this tour. Unfortunately this incarnation does not include Tony Levin or Bill Bruford. Saw the tour this Summer and was duly impressed with the quartet, though the "Double -Trio" works better. If you have never seen KC you owe it to yourself, but do not expect too many older tunes "Court of the Crimson King" or "Schizoid man" this time around. They are still doing "Red" as well as "Theela Hun Ginjeet" and "Elephant Talk" from Discipline. I was utterly fascinated by the Soundscapes Mr. Fripp was able to paint over Trey Gunn's Warr Guitar sounds; much like seeing Hawkwind, after the show you will wonder "where were the rest of the musicians?". Be sure to go, and pay special attention to Trey Gunn's work. Frank New here and wishing I were in UK with the Hawks...but MQB and Harvey and Nik certainly here in the States was just fine by me From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Thu Nov 22 02:03:00 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:03:00 -0800 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts - King Crimson In-Reply-To: <3BFC71BE.26C4BD01@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: Hmm, Oddly enough, coming from a different direction, I just bought a guitar that belonged to Adrian Belew, current KC guitar/vocals . . . At 10:32 PM 11/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >Tom Clark wrote: > > > > Keith: > > > > One word. > > > > GO! > > > > You won't be disappointed. King Crimson live will blow your socks off in > > any incarnation. Robert Fripp alone is worth going. Forget what the > albums > > sound like. Hope you don't smoke cigarettes, though. They banned it at a > > show in New Orleans. > > > > Trey Gunn, but the way, was on the John Paul Jones album "Zooma", for what > > it's worth. (Actually, I think the album screamed for Plant to be a > > vocalist, but that's another story......)..... > > > >John Paul Jones is opening for KC on this tour. Unfortunately this > incarnation does not include Tony Levin or Bill Bruford. Saw the tour > this Summer and was duly impressed with the quartet, though the "Double > -Trio" works better. >If you have never seen KC you owe it to yourself, but do not expect too >many older tunes "Court of the Crimson King" or "Schizoid man" this time >around. They are still doing "Red" as well as "Theela Hun Ginjeet" and >"Elephant Talk" from Discipline. I was utterly fascinated by the >Soundscapes Mr. Fripp was able to paint over Trey Gunn's Warr Guitar >sounds; much like seeing Hawkwind, after the show you will wonder >"where were the rest of the musicians?". >Be sure to go, and pay special attention to Trey Gunn's work. >Frank >New here and wishing I were in UK with the Hawks...but MQB and Harvey >and Nik certainly here in the States was just fine by me From nycademon at HOME.COM Thu Nov 22 01:20:37 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido N. Vacano) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:20:37 -0700 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > >King Crimson is coming to Columbus next week, and I'm wondering if there's >any great reason to go. I've never seen the band before in any incarnation, >and frankly have no clue as to what they've been doing lately. It seems >like they have seven different versions doing seven different styles of >music. The four guys in the photo are Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp, and >then two guys I don't really know, although I think one of the guys is Trey >Gunn, who I don't know from Adam (is he a bassist?). > See them! I saw them Monday at the Paramount Theater in Denver (actually, the third time I've seen them this year). The other two guys are Trey Gunn, who plays Warr guitar, and is an excellent musician, and Pat Mastelotto, a fine drummer who used to play for Mister Mr. (Do I have that right? Or is it Mr. Mister? :-) ). The show was very heavy, with extremely good guitar work by all three guitarists. John Paul Jones' set was a lot of fun too. If you're still not sure, get an MP3 of "Construcktion of Light" and listen to it. If you like it, go! :-) Guido From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 05:52:00 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:52:00 -0500 Subject: HW: The Tour Continues - Torquay Message-ID: Is there any meeting place set for Walthamstow. I will recognise Arin in the bar so if all else fails everyone should head for Arin. Alastair. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 01:20:54 -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > >> well - the Turner camp has gone to ground, the Brock camp is on tour, >the UK >> fans are still recovering from the expense of the gigs& the >merchandise >> while a lot of people are getting into four new albums >> (Hawkwind/Brock/Davey/ Bedouin) virtually all out at the same time - >phew!!! >> no wonder it's quiet; everyone's out or listening!!!???!!! >> Andy G.(in humour mode) > >nope >we're all trying to catch up on 500 unread mesages and wondering where >to get the cash and tickets together to make the trip to Walthamstow to >catch the Hawks as they finish this tour - cos they are just amazing at >the moment. Seven people on stage at Torquay. Simon House in green >shorts, white tights and and long, long black wig........... ?eh. >the haute-coiture (coiffeure?) of the fashion scene ...I dunno!. >Otherwise hats are the Hawk scene just now (hat-coiture?) - Capt. >Black's was a Russian one. It was great to have the background synth >spacey swoosh sounds again and Jez Huggett (spelling?) brought a >saxaphone and (something else!) to enhance the sound. It really is >worth while hearing several shows - as different people join it makes a >huge difference to the more impromptu sections in tracks like Angels of >Death, Hassan I Sahba. > >Thanks to Arin I got in to hear the sound check - which was a >revelation! There's a suggestion, there's a comment, then each person >briefly tries out a version of the new idea, two people play it >together, someone else adds something in the background, everyone looks >satisfied and when you hear it an hour or so later it's as if the whole >thing has been rehearsed for months! How do they do that??! > >No dancers (mercifully). No fire-eating either. Kris Tain gave >herself quite a nasty burn at Newcastle so she was backstage at Torquay >but is not performing at the moment. I hope you are feeling ok Kris. > >Only a very small audience arrived to see the support - a competent >group of 3 whose lead (lady) singer has a style reminiscent of Debbie >Harry (I think) but very polite - she thanked Dave Brock for letting >them join the tour - but there was a surge from the bars after the >interval and the stalls filled up fairly well. Stunning Golden Void >in the encore. My brother-in-law who came along was very impressed >(and he doesn't usually admit to that). He last saw Hawkwind in the >1980s and I think is now wishing he'd seen them rather more often since >then. > >I strongly recommend that if anyone can get to Walthamstow on Saturday >you should do so. Arin and some of the others are staying at the >Eccleston Quality Hotel near Victoria (where we all were for the >Hawkwind Astoria gig). Not sure if the band are staying there or not >though. It's all a bit vague now! But everyone should come! > >jill >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Jill Strobridge >----------------------------------------------------------------- From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 22 12:35:54 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:35:54 -0600 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: [warning: stream of consciousness and stuff] well, it's been one hell of a tour so far. capt. bl at ck, come back, please! we miss you..... jez too. last night (brighton) rocked. hard. even if it was packed to the gills and I ended up perched on a beer-drop place. (torquay the night before rocked too. even if no one was there :-( yay jez and capt. bl at ck. so far nottingham, manchester, edinburgh, cardiff, salisbury, torquay, brighton were wonderful... hey...since my email now is hideous (~6000 messages and climbing) was there a pub location called for walthamstow? for folks who wanted shirts...did you get them yet? nick, ali, other london folk....i'm not doing anything in particular tomorrow. dinner/drinks/something? big honking thanks to julie and merrick french, chris warburton, keith barton, etc. you all rock! I'm coming to you now from a net cafe by my hotel (staying at the quality hotel eccleston (where we were for the astoria). if anyone is interested....expedia.co.uk had rooms for 68 pounds a night here, and when you call, you just need to talk them down from the 140 pounds that they'll attempt to charge you. (since I didn't have net access, i'm paying 75 a night, but hey...) if anyone is around, log into the irc channel now to chat ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 14:10:59 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:10:59 -0000 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: You were in Edinburgh? Crikey we missed you! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 22 November 2001 17:36 Subject: HW: in london >[warning: stream of consciousness and stuff] > >well, it's been one hell of a tour so far. >capt. bl at ck, come back, please! we miss you..... jez too. > >last night (brighton) rocked. hard. even if it was packed >to the gills and I ended up perched on a beer-drop place. >(torquay the night before rocked too. even if no one was there :-( >yay jez and capt. bl at ck. > >so far nottingham, manchester, edinburgh, cardiff, salisbury, torquay, >brighton were wonderful... > >hey...since my email now is hideous (~6000 messages and climbing) >was there a pub location called for walthamstow? > >for folks who wanted shirts...did you get them yet? > >nick, ali, other london folk....i'm not doing anything in >particular tomorrow. dinner/drinks/something? > >big honking thanks to julie and merrick french, chris warburton, keith >barton, etc. you all rock! > >I'm coming to you now from a net cafe by my hotel >(staying at the quality hotel eccleston (where we were >for the astoria). > >if anyone is interested....expedia.co.uk had rooms for 68 pounds >a night here, and when you call, you just need to talk them down from >the 140 pounds that they'll attempt to charge you. > >(since I didn't have net access, i'm paying 75 a night, but hey...) > >if anyone is around, log into the irc channel now to chat ;-) > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 22 13:25:53 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:25:53 -0600 Subject: HW: in london In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Arin Komins wrote: :Subject: HW: in london : :big honking thanks to julie and merrick french, chris warburton, keith :barton, etc. you all rock! and mike holmes, jill strobridge, etc. everyone should come to walthamstow. or dublin. catch this tour while you can.... Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 22 13:31:49 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:31:49 -0600 Subject: HW: in london In-Reply-To: <004d01c17389$6c88c120$3939883e@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, dave hall wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: in london : :You were in Edinburgh? Crikey we missed you! :Dave yep. was hanging out with mike holmes and jill and crew. ...i was the one handing out the flyers at the beginning of the gig ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Thu Nov 22 13:34:45 2001 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:34:45 EST Subject: HW: Going to Dublin ? Message-ID: Hi Folks, anyone else going to Dublin ? , cant Make London :-( but I can Dublin :-) regards Iain From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 22 13:20:35 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: I'm giving thanks for the fact that from next Thursday, I have my first week off of the year - hallelujah!!!! Stafford, friends and father, here I come............... To be on topic, two people cancelled the Metal Shield thing today so if anyone wants it for Xmas, there are two hanging around here (but you do have to pay!!). Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > > Have a great Thanksgiving (those of you in the USA, anyway!) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 22 13:37:57 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:37:57 -0000 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts Message-ID: nice posting - enjoyed that one, Keith!!! Take it you've heard the new Damo Suzuki double with most of Farflung as backing band - his best to date for sure and the least Can-like so far, I think. Out here in a week or so. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: HW: OFF: random thoughts From michael_b_1968 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 22 14:37:29 2001 From: michael_b_1968 at HOTMAIL.COM (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:37:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: Have a great week off! :P >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page >Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:35 -0000 > >I'm giving thanks for the fact that from next Thursday, I have my first >week >off of the year - hallelujah!!!! >Stafford, friends and father, here I come............... >To be on topic, two people cancelled the Metal Shield thing today so if >anyone wants it for Xmas, there are two hanging around here (but you do >have >to pay!!). >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Pearson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:10 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > > > > > > Have a great Thanksgiving (those of you in the USA, anyway!) > > > > -Doug > > jasret at mindspring.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 14:49:55 2001 From: shermarama at YAHOO.CO.UK (Gesticulates Very Expressively) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:49:55 -0500 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:35:54 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >last night (brighton) rocked. hard. even if it was packed >to the gills and I ended up perched on a beer-drop place. Ah, Brighton happens to be home to unusually large collections of crusties, squatters, drop-outs, old acid-heads, bikers, hippies, lefty academics and all points between - if anything I was surprised that I still managed to get a ticket on the door. And though I was nearly hounded out of the toilets for being under 30 at one point, there was a substantial proportion of young people, and I mean obviously younger than me, so add irritatingly clued-up kids to the list. Never short on people of all sorts willing to party down here. Hey, I knew there was a reason I live here... From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 22 15:13:18 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:13:18 GMT Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: Steve, Your website sounds cool - but the link doesn't seem to be working - all I get is the geocities 'whoops site not found ' message. Mick > >Updates to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page >(http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html) > >-Band Chat 25/06/01 added. (This is a transcript from an unannounced IRC >chat, which list members may have already seen as I posted it at the time) > >-2 new T-shirt designs added. (Doremi shield and Roadhawks poster) > >-Kerb Crawler added to tablature > >-Damnation Alley, missing lyrics added to tablature > >-2 new links added (thanks to Nick Medford for the makemyday.fr.free link) > >-minor update to Dave Brock's guitar stuff, about the Ibanez Artist > >I should have some previously unseen photos of Nik and Huw there soon. >(Ben?) > >Steve (a.k.a. Starfarer/Moonglum/mooongluum) -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Thu Nov 22 17:00:11 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:00:11 -0600 Subject: HW: promo photo link Message-ID: Here are two promo photos from the band, early 90's I believe. Enigma and Road Racer are the files. These are TIF files, you'll probably have to save them and view with a real graphics program. They should be good enough detail you could print your own copies on glossy paper. Anybody got other promo glossies of the band they could post? http://briefcase.yahoo.com/mongolian_stopper From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Thu Nov 22 17:17:49 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:17:49 -0500 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" > for folks who wanted shirts...did you get them yet? Is that an invitation? I could certainly use a shirt! Now if only someone could be so kind as to mail me one! John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 17:25:59 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:25:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow - pub meeting? Message-ID: A quick hunt in Yell.com produces The Bell, 617 Forest Rd, Walthamstow, London, E17 4NE Tel: 020 8531 2779. Situated close to the venue as well. Below is the rather horrible link to the map/directions page but it might be easier to go to Yell.com and search for public houses in Walthamstow. jill http://search.yell.com/search/ShowMap?nat_id=377819&businessType=public+ houses&location=Walthamstow&bt_term=PUBLIC+HOUSES&referer=search&replayU RL=%2Fsearch%2FDoSearch%3Fscreen%3DVAL%26state%3DINI%26companyName%3D%26 scrambleSeed%3D23131%26businessType%3Dpublic%2Bhouses%26location%3DWalth amstow%26 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Horse wrote: > > :Subject: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow > : > :Anyone on the list off to see their Hawknesses at Walthamstow? Given all the recent reports I'm > :really looking forward to it. > : > :See ya there > : > :Horse > : > > yep. > > i've been following them since nottingham, and the tour has been > wonderful so far..... > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu > Manager of Web Systems Architecture > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 > Refill any ink cartridge for less! > Includes black and color ink. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/bAmslD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/Gx3olB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ -> > > Community email addresses: > Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com > Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com > Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com > List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 22 17:34:24 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:34:24 -0000 Subject: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: yes but I'll sort your stuff out before I go, OK.We've just about sold out of Alien Dream again so you'll be hearing from me. AG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > Have a great week off! :P > > > >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > >Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:20:35 -0000 > > > >I'm giving thanks for the fact that from next Thursday, I have my first > >week > >off of the year - hallelujah!!!! > >Stafford, friends and father, here I come............... > >To be on topic, two people cancelled the Metal Shield thing today so if > >anyone wants it for Xmas, there are two hanging around here (but you do > >have > >to pay!!). > >Andy G. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Doug Pearson" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:10 AM > >Subject: Re: OFF: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page > > > > > > > > > > Have a great Thanksgiving (those of you in the USA, anyway!) > > > > > > -Doug > > > jasret at mindspring.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 17:58:16 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:58:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow - pub meeting? Message-ID: The venue people mentioned the Bell being on the way to the venue when I asked them about the nearest tube station so it sounds like the place to be seen. Alastair. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:25:59 -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote: >A quick hunt in Yell.com produces The Bell, 617 Forest Rd, Walthamstow, >London, E17 4NE >Tel: 020 8531 2779. Situated close to the venue as well. Below >is the rather horrible link to the map/directions page but it might be >easier to go to Yell.com and search for public houses in Walthamstow. >jill > >http://search.yell.com/search/ShowMap?nat_id=377819&businessType=public+ >houses&location=Walthamstow&bt_term=PUBLIC+HOUSES&referer=search&replayU >RL=%2Fsearch%2FDoSearch%3Fscreen%3DVAL%26state%3DINI%26companyName%3D%26 >scrambleSeed%3D23131%26businessType%3Dpublic%2Bhouses%26location%3DWalth >amstow%26 >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Jill Strobridge >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Arin Komins >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 9:56 PM >Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow > > >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Horse wrote: >> >> :Subject: [Hawkwind] Walthamstow >> : >> :Anyone on the list off to see their Hawknesses at Walthamstow? Given >all the recent reports I'm >> :really looking forward to it. >> : >> :See ya there >> : >> :Horse >> : >> >> yep. >> >> i've been following them since nottingham, and the tour has been >> wonderful so far..... >> >> Arin >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >> Manager of Web Systems Architecture >> University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups >Sponsor ---------------------~--> >> Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 >> Refill any ink cartridge for less! >> Includes black and color ink. >> http://us.click.yahoo.com/bAmslD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/Gx3olB/TM >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------~ >-> >> >> Community email addresses: >> Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com >> Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com >> Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com >> List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com >> >> Shortcut URL to this page: >> http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind >> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 22 19:30:30 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 00:30:30 -0000 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: ? So was I before the gig....and on and off during the gig. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 22 November 2001 18:32 Subject: Re: HW: in london >On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, dave hall wrote: > >:Subject: Re: HW: in london >: >:You were in Edinburgh? Crikey we missed you! >:Dave > >yep. was hanging out with mike holmes and jill and crew. > >...i was the one handing out the flyers at the beginning of the gig ;-) > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu >Manager of Web Systems Architecture >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ > From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Thu Nov 22 23:56:25 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:56:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: Judging by the text below, the link got mangled in the evolution of this thread. It should be as follows: http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html hope that works :-) Geocities does crap out sometimes, if a few people have downloaded the Hawkwind System Sounds. They only told me after the fact, but they limit traffic to 3Gb-worth of downloads per month. If, on an hourly basis, this limit is exceeded, they very kindly shut the site down for 1 hour! (Well, what can you expect for free, I guess...) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:13:18 GMT, Mick Crook wrote: >Steve, >Your website sounds cool - but the link doesn't seem to be working - all I get is the geocities 'whoops site not found ' message. >Mick > > >> >>Updates to Starfarer's Hawkwind Page >>(http://www.geocities.com/sjyo ules/index.html) >> >>-Band Chat 25/06/01 added. (This is a transcript from an unannounced IRC >>chat, which list members may have already seen as I posted it at the time) >> >>-2 new T-shirt designs added. (Doremi shield and Roadhawks poster) >> >>-Kerb Crawler added to tablature >> >>-Damnation Alley, missing lyrics added to tablature >> >>-2 new links added (thanks to Nick Medford for the makemyday.fr.free link) >> >>-minor update to Dave Brock's guitar stuff, about the Ibanez Artist >> >>I should have some previously unseen photos of Nik and Huw there soon. >>(Ben?) >> >>Steve (a.k.a. Starfarer/Moonglum/mooongluum) > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From utherpd at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 23 14:18:44 2001 From: utherpd at HOTMAIL.COM (Uther Pendragon) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:18:44 -0500 Subject: HW: in london Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Arin Komins wrote: >everyone should come to walthamstow. or dublin. catch this >tour while you can.... Seconded! 6 gigs down; one to go. Excellent sets all round. I'll write more later (like, when I get home), but for now, Arin's right. This tour isn't one to miss! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 23 15:16:42 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:16:42 -0000 Subject: HW: - Torquay - PS Message-ID: I completely forgot (how could I - sorry Keith!) to mention the excellent slides that Keith Barton created as part of the light show at Torquay - some stunning planet and galaxy images and the Elric pics from Live Chronicles. Beautifully done. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 24 00:57:00 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:57:00 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/17 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 11/17 1.Hawkwind-- "Opa-Loka" (Warrior on the Edge of Time; Griffin/Dojo) 2.Hawkwind-- "Uncle Sam's on Mars" (P.X.R. 5; Virgin/Charisma) 3.Amon Duul II-- "Utopia No.1" (Utopia; Spalax) 4.Sub Oslo-- "Stratospheric Penetration" (Dubs in the Key of Life; Two Ohm Hop) 5.Upsilon Acrux-- "Kayak is Stupor" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 6.Atomine Elektrine-- "Reliance" (availble on mp3.com) 7.Muslin Gauze-- "Sarin Odour" (Hussein Mahmood Jeeb Tehar Gass; Soleilmoon) 8.Scattered Planets-- "Double Vision" (Drinking w/Aliens) 9.Pressurehed-- "The Long Count" (Explaining the Unexplained; Cleopatra) 10.Farflung--"The Day of St. Anthony's Fire" (Belief Module; Bad Acid) 11.Irmin Schmidt-- "Gertrude's Aria: Touch" (Fantasy Opera Ghormenghast; Spoon/Mute) 12.Vas Deferens Organization-- "Candies and Confections" (Drug Bubbles; Tekito) 13.Hawkwind-- "The Watcher" (1999 Party Live in Chicago '74; EMI) 14.Kraan-- "Die Maschine" (Let it Out; Passport) 15.Mushroom-- "Americans Own the Moon..." (Foxy Music; Innerspace) 16.Simons/Alchemysts-- "Megellanic" (ST'd; Woronzow/Rhubric) 17.Shay-- "Yellow" (Dreamers and Stalkers) 18.Green Pajamas-- "Sweet Sorrow" (Serotonin Ronin II comp; Camera Obscura) 19.Tomorrow-- "My White Bicyle" (ST'd; Parlophone) 20.Loop Guru-- "Tam Duugi" (Loop Bites Dog; World Domination) 21.Guild Navigators-- "Party at the Edge of Time" (Phase 1: '91-'97; Amblifire) 22.Dr. Know-- "U.S.A." (Best Of; Ghetto-Way) 23.ST 37-- "Whistling in Hell" (I Love to Talk...; Emperor Jones) 24.Voco Kesh-- "Untitled 2" (EP w/Ispepnaibara; Lexicon Devil) 25.Dark Sun-- "Spacetime Continuum" (Metazoon comp; Metamorphos) thanks, Chuck PS: 5-7pm PST tomorrow night... Expect to hear Can , Mick Farren and "the Deviants" (who play in L.A. Sat night at the Garage), and new acquisitions... From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Nov 24 07:38:31 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:38:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording Message-ID: Hi folks I have a very difficult question for some specialists out there: A friend recorded the Cardif gig of the current tour on minidisc. Unfortunately he changed batteries while the recorder was writing the TOC. At home he realized that it was impossible to play the minidisc though about 55 minutes were indeed recorded. Is there any chance to make this disk listenable ?? Thanks for your help Bernhard From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 23 09:34:21 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:34:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording Message-ID: Hello Bernhard, in answer to your toc question. To the best of our knowledge there is no way to make the disc listenable. The recording of the toc is critical, as it is at this point that the disc is actually written. Sorry but we think that the recording is lost. G&A From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 25 01:20:28 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:20:28 EST Subject: OFF: motorhead/robbo revealed? Message-ID: stumbled across this last night; an interview from the 'another perfect tour' period. bold-face emphasis is mine... PHIL: Well, once Lemmy starts playing, he's sort of out there on his own, in a way. It's something that came naturally; but when Robbo joined the band, we started working it out a bit more. When Eddie was with the band I played more with the guitar than I did with Lemmy, because he's not really a bass player. Lemmy always plays so fast that it's always been down to the guitarist and me to keep the rhythm and melody going. Lemmy is just non-stop playing all the time, so for the highs and lows of the numbers, the ups and downs, light and shade--whatever you want to call it--it's basically down to Robbo and myself. I'd never played much before, so it's probably a lot more difficult for Robbo than for me. He'd always played in bands that had a proper bass player, so to speak. Q: So, Robbo, do you enjoy the change, the challenge? ROBBO: No. One of my most treasured possessions is the four boxes of Glenn Miller 78s that my father gave me when I left home at 17. And I've been working on synthesized music with Warren Cann from Ultravox. It took over a year and a half to record and mix it; it was done on a 62-track--we slaved 3 decks--that's why it took so long to mix it. I've always been involved in mixing. I mean, I can sit at a desk and engineer, if I want. Q: So you like to do a lot of different things? ROBBO: I always do that, always. People say, "What are you doing, joining Motorhead?" I didn't say I like them. I hate Motorhead. But I respect them for playing shit for so many years and making money at it. And they're original. I won't say Lemmy's a very good bass player, but he's very original. Lemmy is Lemmy. And I know my style is very forceful and always has been. The minute I left Thin Lizzy, they went straight downhill. Not so much because I left them, but because they didn't spend the time trying to get someone in the same vein to replace me. Very rarely have I had to ask, "What do you want from me?" The music tends to change my approach because I'm classically trained and I can change my approach from heavy rock to slow to? Well, I played with the Average White Band. nuff said... From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 25 06:33:33 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:33:33 -0000 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: Well, I hadn't decided for certain whether I was going until about 6pm last night but I'm glad I did - easily the best I've seen them for a couple of years. To start with, they had a decent sound - at last! The line-up was Dave , Huw, Alan, Simon (synths and violin) and Richard (drums and sequencing/synths) (and Capt Rizz for Assassins of Allah): I think the fact that there's only 5 of them makes it easier for the sound engineers to do a good balancing job. So keep it that way, please! Huw was a but flu-y and wasn't as good as at the RFH IMHO, but he was still playing the best he has for a few years, although he did keep taking timeouts to have a sit down and a fag :-) Everyone else was playing well and seemed to be enjoying themselves: Dave's voice is great right now and Alan was doing good BVs (although his singing on Ejection wasn't the best I've heard...about as bad as mine); Simon's violin was sounding good; Richard's drumming during the end of Ejection (I think) was astounding - I don't know how he plays so fast. Set (not right order I'm sure) Lighthouse (Dave singing - much better than Tim) Levitation Moonglum Spiral Galaxy Assassins of Allah (inc Space is Their Palestine) Motorway City Hurry On Sundown The Watcher Brainbox Pollution (fantastic to hear this and really well done) Wind of Change (great to hear this again and very well played too - Simon on top form) Encore Assault and Battry Golden Void Ejection And Bruise - the support band - were excellent too: well worth catching by themselves. And they did one of the best versions of Silver Machine I've ever heard... --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sun Nov 25 08:54:03 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:54:03 -0000 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: yes it was a great gig, even better than the RFH in my opinion. Where i was standing you could hear Huw's playing quite clearly. Before this year I must admit i was never convinced that of Huw's guitar playing but I am now! I hope he is planning to stay with hawkwind and isn't just with them for this tour. The sound engineer whoever he was did a top job. I also caught hawkwind in cardiff last weekend and the sound was a lot muddier then. Highlight of the night for me was the watcher, this song gets better everytime i hear it played live. Could have done with a change in the set list though, it was the same near enough as cardiff. Can't wait to the Xmas gig, apparently though Gong is playing the same night at the Scala in london so i wonder if that will affect the amount of people that show up to see hawkwind? BTW where was captain black? I thought he was going to be showing up on the second leg of the tour? cheers colm From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Sun Nov 25 11:11:28 2001 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:11:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording Message-ID: The information is on the disc, it just can't be accessed normally due to the corrupt/missing toc. Data recovery should be possible. http://www.acodisc.com/index.htm does it for cd range, dvd range. If nothin else they might be able to point you in the right direction. http://www.vogon-international.com/data_recovery-00.htm is another and looks like they would be closer. At http://www.minidiscussion.com/boards/repair/ a query regarding a faulty minidisc suggests that if it is a question of a faulty TOC that the data can be recovered. I searched through the board to see if the answer was in there somewhere but the only hints I got were references to other replies I couldn't find... easiest way may be to post your query there Jeff From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 25 11:23:18 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:23:18 EST Subject: OFF: motorhead/robbo revealed? Message-ID: I wonder if Lemmy knew Robbo's attitude before he joined? Joe From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Nov 25 11:57:12 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:57:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording In-Reply-To: <200111251611.LAA23354@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Another useful starting point: http://www.minidisc.org Alasdair On 25 Nov 01, at 11:11, Jeff P wrote: > The information is on the disc, it just can't be accessed normally due to > the corrupt/missing toc. > > Data recovery should be possible. > > http://www.acodisc.com/index.htm does it for cd range, dvd range. If nothin > else they might be able to point you in the right direction. > > http://www.vogon-international.com/data_recovery-00.htm is another and looks > like they would be closer. > > At http://www.minidiscussion.com/boards/repair/ a query regarding a faulty > minidisc suggests that if it is a question of a faulty TOC that the data can > be recovered. I searched through the board to see if the answer was in there > somewhere but the only hints I got were references to other replies I > couldn't find... easiest way may be to post your query there From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Sun Nov 25 12:45:48 2001 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:45:48 +0100 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: Hi boys and girls! I can only agree to what Kevin is saying. The gig was brilliant. Can they play better than this? Hearing "Lighthouse" live was really great since it?s one of my fave tracks, OK, along a few hundred more, but what the heck :-)))). As Kevin has pointed out, Dave and boys was in a very good mood, since they were joking a lot. Now when they?re on the move, why not a few dates in Europe and SWEDEN especially. Over and out from the north of Sweden. Henrik > Well, I hadn't decided for certain whether I was going until about 6pm last > night but I'm glad I did - easily the best I've seen them for a couple of > years. To start with, they had a decent sound - at last! The line-up was > Dave , Huw, Alan, Simon (synths and violin) and Richard (drums and > sequencing/synths) (and Capt Rizz for Assassins of Allah): I think the fact > that there's only 5 of them makes it easier for the sound engineers to do a > good balancing job. So keep it that way, please! > > Huw was a but flu-y and wasn't as good as at the RFH IMHO, but he was still > playing the best he has for a few years, although he did keep taking > timeouts to have a sit down and a fag :-) Everyone else was playing well > and seemed to be enjoying themselves: Dave's voice is great right now and > Alan was doing good BVs (although his singing on Ejection wasn't the best > I've heard...about as bad as mine); Simon's violin was sounding good; > Richard's drumming during the end of Ejection (I think) was astounding - I > don't know how he plays so fast. > > Set (not right order I'm sure) > Lighthouse (Dave singing - much better than Tim) > Levitation > Moonglum > Spiral Galaxy > Assassins of Allah (inc Space is Their Palestine) > Motorway City > Hurry On Sundown > The Watcher > Brainbox Pollution (fantastic to hear this and really well done) > Wind of Change (great to hear this again and very well played too - Simon on > top form) > > Encore > Assault and Battry > Golden Void > Ejection > > And Bruise - the support band - were excellent too: well worth catching by > themselves. And they did one of the best versions of Silver Machine I've > ever heard... > > --- > Kevin Perry > The Mountain Grill > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 25 14:41:07 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:41:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Nik Turner and friends (Hawkwindwannabes) In-Reply-To: <200110141953.PAA04671@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 03:53:46PM -0400 Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 03:53:46PM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:56:46 +0100, Nick Medford > wrote: > >In message <02f801c151d0$2d1542a0$e74d893e at default>, dave hall > > writes > >>1. there are those who are talented - and there are the rest. The > >>talented are: > >>Dave Brock > >>Huw Lloyd Langton > >>Simon King > >>Lemmy > >>Simon House > >>Bob Calvert > >>Adrian Shaw > >>Tim Blake > >>Alan Davey > >>Richard Chadwick > >>Harvey Bainbridge > >>Jerry Richards > >>Captain Black > > > >Terry Ollis looked very impressive at the Hawkwestra, I thought. And Paul > >Rudolph may not have fitted into Hawkwind as a bassist but he's a superb > >guitarist, indeed on a technical level he's probably a better musician than > >any of the above, possible exception of Simon House. Terry Ollis is bloody good. He always was, you only have to listen to _In Search of Space_ with an ear to the drum parts to realise this. And e seems to hev recovered his ability these days. I can well believe he is part of a Hendrix tribute outfit. Paul Rudolph, on the other hand, if latter-day Pink Fairies is anything to go by, has not retained is ability and though he was a marvellous guitarist and at least an able bass-player, I don't think he is either any more. I think that Simon House is the most technically able musician Hawkwind's ever had in its ranks and he's completely unearthly these days and this must be got into a studio, but anyway, yes, the thread. > I'd also have a tough time leaving off Dave Anderson ('Yeti'!!!), DikMik, > Steve Swindells and Ron Tree. Dave Anderson certainly has some talent and some of it's even musical :-) But again ISoS's individual flavour I think can squarely be attributed to his influence on arrangements making for a happy coincidence with Dave's busker roots. East London kraut... Ron is mercurial but he;s had my jaw dropping in awe before now and thus I would agree he has some talent, if he could only get at it consistently. Also, a good bass-player no matter what anyone says. Steve Swindells I persist in considering, on the basis of his Hawkwind involvement anyway, to be not even a very good pianist and certainly someone who should never ever be allowed to think e can work a synth. But I'm aware that not everyone agrees with me on this. > However, there is a MAJOR, EGREGIOUS, OUTRAGEOUS omission from this list > (that I already pointed out to Dave Hall). > > HINT: > Alan Davey : Lemmy > Richard Chadwick : Simon King > Ron Tree : Robert Calvert > Jez Huggett : Nik Turner > person-on-the-list (you figure out which one!) : person-missing-from-the- > list Both from the clues and the fact that he's not there I think I know who you mean. But he's a lumberjack so he's OK, or have I got the wrong one? Of course Fred Reeves is also missing and from ICU it's fairly clear he was bloody good even if no available HW exists to prove it (because of coure that would be definitive, natch :-)) I also don't think you can deny that Ginger Baker's talented, toads and personality probolems notwitstanding. But even Nik doesn't consider him to have been a real member of Hawkwind I understand... Andy Anderson also. But yes, beyond that it starts to get a little difficult to universally acclaim someone... The thing is, the line-up with a bunch of talented people in it is undeniably great to watch. But it always seems to need some people without talent in the same way to kick the ship into movement, give it dynamics. Otherwise we get no records, though I am not in any way complaining about the tours just now you understand... Yours, Jon n/p Man - _Rhinos Winos and Lunatics_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 25 16:30:05 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:30:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, To the best of my knowledge, if the TOC is not written, the recording is lost. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: HW: Problems with Cardif recording > Hi folks > > I have a very difficult question for some specialists out there: > > A friend recorded the Cardif gig of the current tour on minidisc. > Unfortunately he changed batteries while the recorder was writing the TOC. > At home he realized that it was impossible to play the minidisc though > about 55 minutes were indeed recorded. > > Is there any chance to make this disk listenable ?? > > > Thanks for your help > Bernhard > From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 25 16:36:03 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:36:03 -0000 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: I forgot to include Angels of Death on the track list (Dave/Alan fluffed a line in it on the second verse): not my favourite song at the best of times - maybe I'd blanked it out subconsciously :-) --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkswede To: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time > Hi boys and girls! > > I can only agree to what Kevin is saying. The gig was brilliant. Can they play better than this? Hearing "Lighthouse" live was really great since it?s one of my fave tracks, OK, along a few hundred more, but what the heck :-)))). > As Kevin has pointed out, Dave and boys was in a very good mood, since they were joking a lot. > > Now when they?re on the move, why not a few dates in Europe and SWEDEN especially. > > Over and out from the north of Sweden. > > Henrik > > > Well, I hadn't decided for certain whether I was going until about 6pm last > > night but I'm glad I did - easily the best I've seen them for a couple of > > years. To start with, they had a decent sound - at last! The line-up was > > Dave , Huw, Alan, Simon (synths and violin) and Richard (drums and > > sequencing/synths) (and Capt Rizz for Assassins of Allah): I think the fact > > that there's only 5 of them makes it easier for the sound engineers to do a > > good balancing job. So keep it that way, please! > > > > Huw was a but flu-y and wasn't as good as at the RFH IMHO, but he was still > > playing the best he has for a few years, although he did keep taking > > timeouts to have a sit down and a fag :-) Everyone else was playing well > > and seemed to be enjoying themselves: Dave's voice is great right now and > > Alan was doing good BVs (although his singing on Ejection wasn't the best > > I've heard...about as bad as mine); Simon's violin was sounding good; > > Richard's drumming during the end of Ejection (I think) was astounding - I > > don't know how he plays so fast. > > > > Set (not right order I'm sure) > > Lighthouse (Dave singing - much better than Tim) > > Levitation > > Moonglum > > Spiral Galaxy > > Assassins of Allah (inc Space is Their Palestine) > > Motorway City > > Hurry On Sundown > > The Watcher > > Brainbox Pollution (fantastic to hear this and really well done) > > Wind of Change (great to hear this again and very well played too - Simon on > > top form) > > > > Encore > > Assault and Battry > > Golden Void > > Ejection > > > > And Bruise - the support band - were excellent too: well worth catching by > > themselves. And they did one of the best versions of Silver Machine I've > > ever heard... > > > > --- > > Kevin Perry > > The Mountain Grill > > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > > duties." > > From mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM Sun Nov 25 21:21:38 2001 From: mikemontfort at YAHOO.COM (Duc De Montfort) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:21:38 -0500 Subject: HW: ebay Hawklogs Message-ID: Having discovered that Hawklog 4 was being sold on ebay I reported it. This was the auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1486147634 This was I got in return. You will see from clicking on the link that Ebay did diddly about it. This is the closest I can get to informing Dave Brock. Mike ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hello, Thank you for writing with your concern. We have reviewed the auction you have brought to our attention and taken appropriate action. We would also like to explain eBay's policy with respect to reports like yours. eBay is not in a position to make judgments about the authenticity or authorized nature of auction items, except in the most extreme circumstances. This may mean that we cannot remove the item about which you contacted us. In some cases, we refer the information to the owner of the rights (copyright, trademark, etc.) involved, if we know who they are and how to contact them. Although you may be extremely knowledgeable about these types of items, we often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged infringement is obvious on its face. That is why we strongly urge you to notify the rights holder of the suspected infringement and encourage them to join our Verified Rights Owners (VeRO) Program. This program enables them to request the ending of allegedly infringing auctions. Thank you for being part of the eBay community. Regards, Roscoe eBay Community Watch ______________________________ eBay Your Personal Trading Community (tm) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Sun Nov 25 18:40:25 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:40:25 -0000 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts Message-ID: Grakkl asked: >nice posting - enjoyed that one, Keith!!! Take it you've heard the new Damo >Suzuki double with most of Farflung as backing band - his best to date for >sure and the least Can-like so far, I think. Out here in a week or so. >Andy G. No, I didn't even know it was coming out. I remember Doug P. talking about how good this gig was (it's the San Francisco gig on there I'm assuming), and am anxious to hear it now. Who's releasing it? Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Hana - Omen (Jeff Greinke & Anisa Romero, with other ex-Sky Cries Mary guests) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 26 02:58:47 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:58:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tony Hill (High Tide) Message-ID: Hi Folks... Looks like Tony Hill has formed a touring band "Fiction" following his excellent solo CD "Inexactness" and has another CD ready with this threepiece lineup from the looks of it. And they've got three gigs planned as below. Check them out if you're near. See http://dreamwater.net/music/fiction for more info. Grakkl (FAA) 9th December 2001 THE STANDARD MUSIC VENUE 1 Blackhorse Lane, W'stow, London E17 Sunday 9th December 2001 Syd's Birthday bash Doors open 8pm. Admission to be confirmed. (check back or contact me) Support comes from Dean & Syd's side project, TRIACYDE and 2nd support T.B.C 11th December 2001 THE ARMY & NAVY 138 Baddow Road, Chelmsford, CM2 9QW Tuesday 11th December 2001 Doors open 8pm band on 9:30 ?4.00 on the door and cheap bar as well 23rd December 2001 THE STANDARD MUSIC VENUE 1 Blackhorse Lane, Walthamstow, London E17 Sunday 23rd December 2001 Doors open at 8, Fiction on at 9o/c We will be appearing with Unleded (Zeppelin tribute) as support Entry is ?4 on the door with a late (ish) bar We shall also be selling the new CD at ?7.50 (this is the price without P+P) at all gigs as well as Tony's solo album 'Inexactness' at ?10.00 If need be, please E-Mail (fiction_uk at hotmail.com) or contact us on 0208 521-6731 to confirm. If there is any change I will post here. (22/10/01) From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 04:40:34 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:40:34 +0000 Subject: HW: - Torquay - PS Message-ID: Jill Strobridge wrote: > I completely forgot (how could I - sorry Keith!) to mention the > excellent slides that Keith Barton created as part of the light show at > Torquay - some stunning planet and galaxy images and the Elric pics from > Live Chronicles. Beautifully done. It wasn't just me though - credit must also be given to Neil Ward & Marie Jenkinson who worked like demons to produce many of the images which were then spat out of Neil's lovely digital projector. Glad you enjoyed them! Keef From yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 26 06:30:05 2001 From: yadnala at HOTMAIL.COM (alan day) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:30:05 +0000 Subject: walthamstow great or what!!!!! Message-ID: Just a few lines (!!!!)I thought this was the best in years Kevin,I hope this line up stays together 4 eternity?I think Huws Moonglum was left off Kevins setlist,that was Ace!And what a lovely suprise BrainboxPollution was!!!I left that lovely old building REELING (as usual after seeing HAWKWIND!!!)May heaven preserve them!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 26 07:27:14 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:27:14 EDT Subject: OFF: King Crimson In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011121225705.03f70310@mail.hypernova.net> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 2001, at 23:03, dhuggins wrote: > Hmm, > > Oddly enough, coming from a different direction, I just bought a > guitar that belonged to Adrian Belew, current KC guitar/vocals . . . > Whoa! How 'bout some details? theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 26 08:44:51 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:44:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson in NYC Message-ID: Anybody else going to the show at the Beacon on the 13th? Brian NP: Daevid Allen's University of Errors "e2 x 10 = Tenure" -- Vincent Price Talking Lawnmower MP3 Radio Now with a splooge of new artists and tunes http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/171/vincent_price_talking_lawn.html From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 26 09:25:18 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:25:18 EST Subject: OFF: King Crimson in NYC Message-ID: In a message dated 11/26/2001 8:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: << Anybody else going to the show at the Beacon on the 13th? >> Yep:) bill From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 13:43:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: >> I think that Simon House is the most technically able musician Hawkwind's ever had in its ranks and he's completely unearthly these days and this must be got into a studio, but anyway, yes, the thread. And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. ____________________________________________________________________ Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 26 14:06:40 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:06:40 -0000 Subject: HW: OFF: random thoughts Message-ID: Suzuki CD coming from the Funfundvierzig camp - we'll have it in stock in about a week or ten days time. It really is a corking album, packaged like the 'Seattle' one. For Magma fans on the group, we have had,sold out, and awaiting more of, the three mid-seventies albums featuring Jannick Top, one including a phenomenal studio version of 'De Futura' feat Richard Pinhas on guitar, while another is Magma live '76 and the other is an astounding album with a sort of extended Magma supergroup - all amazing and essential for every Magma fan that's for sure. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:04 AM Subject: Re: HW: OFF: random thoughts > >nice posting - enjoyed that one, Keith!!! Take it you've heard the new Damo > >Suzuki double with most of Farflung as backing band - his best to date for > >sure and the least Can-like so far, I think. Out here in a week or so. > >Andy G. > > No, I didn't even know it was coming out. I remember Doug P. talking about > how good this gig was (it's the San Francisco gig on there I'm assuming), > and am anxious to hear it now. Who's releasing it? > > Grakkl (FAA) > > ObCD: Hana - Omen (Jeff Greinke & Anisa Romero, with other ex-Sky Cries Mary > guests) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 14:54:53 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:54:53 -0000 Subject: walthamstow great or what!!!!! Message-ID: Sorry to all I said I'd see there. Couldn't make it in the end - despite it being only a cab ride away. Redundancy forces cutbacks, and live gigs are one of them - I'm gutted I couldn't make it. That's "gutted". Really gutted. I'll stick Anthology and On Parole (for the definitive The Watcher) on to make me feel a bit better now. :-( Hopefully see y'all soon. Cheers, Rich. ps: If anyone needs a Web Developer, give me a shout. > Just a few lines (!!!!)I thought this was the best in years Kevin,I hope > this line up stays together 4 eternity?I think Huws Moonglum was left off > Kevins setlist,that was Ace!And what a lovely suprise BrainboxPollution > was!!!I left that lovely old building REELING (as usual after seeing > HAWKWIND!!!)May heaven preserve them!!!!!! > From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 26 16:17:48 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:17:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock - Memos And Demos / Notes And Quotes Message-ID: As previously mentioned, this has more guitar on it than Spacebrock - basically I think you can take equal parts Spacebrock (the album), the Brock tracks on Distant Horizons, and Electric Teepee, mix well, and add a sprinkling of Earthed to the Ground, Agents of Chaos, and Alien 4, and you've got M&D. Here's a breakdown of the album tracks, for you to elaborate on or disagree with: 1. Clouded Vision - same song as on Distant Horizons, but different version, with continuous percussion and much stronger guitars. Going back to DH to compare this track with the 'final' version brought up two points for me - first, despite it's being out for a bunch of years I'm still not all that familiar with DH, second, this is more proof that Dave should unleash his guitar. 2. 3. State of Mind (instr)(vocal) - new-to-me piece in an energetic guitar-centric Electric Teepee style. Putting in 2 versions isn't padding, they sound different enough to me. Although the piece as a whole is new, parts of it were recycled - some of the lyrics went on to be part of Right to Decide, and some of the musical ideas appeared in Love in Space. 4. Tune-ing In - another 'new' track - starts out very promisingly, with driving guitars, but after about a minute it drops into faux-reggae mode and pretty much stays there for the bulk of the track. Oh well. 5. Kauai - very similar to if not the same as the Spacebrock version. 6. Morpheus - new track, unfamiliar lyrics/music, with a tribal rhythm underpinning it and alternating guitar and synth sections. 7. Find the Right Way - similar to but longer than The Right Way on Spacebrock, and with percussion. 8. Didn't Have a Problem - new track, good lyrics, synths and guitars. For some reason I see this as fitting in well on the Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos LP. 9. Luna - another new track, a guitar-based rocker in the Electric Teepee vein. Depressing lyrics about sudden death and suicide. 10. Love in Space - pretty much most of the final elements of this song are in place on this demo version. 11. Surreal Sex Dreams - uses the vocal sample from Sex Dreams on Spacebrock and has a chugging rhythm, but is a rather different version. The rhythm here is done with heavy/sampled guitars (as on I Am the Eye That Looks Within/Blue Skin), there is also quite a bit of 'live' guitar going on as well, and the vocal sample from The Nazca also makes an appearance. Much better version IMHO. 12. Just Drifting - a mellow synth/percussion piece. Some of the elements sound familiar but I can't place them. 13. Sweet Obsession - song 1st appeared on Earthed to the Ground but in a different form than here. 14. Why is a Raven Like a Writing Desk - Do You Want This Body from Spacebrock but w/o the Cuckoo's Nest sample. 15. Space Riders and Sex Dreams - like SSD, this has a driving rhythm created with sampled guitars, and both The Nazca sample and the Sex Dreams sample appear again. The second half of the track sounds pretty much like SSD w/o the 'live' guitar. 16. Distant Islands - another mellow synth/percussion piece - again parts of it sound vaguely familiar but I can't place them. Over to you, Stephan From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 26 17:31:08 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:31:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: too right - and it's back in stock in these hallowed halls this week. Well, it may choke the band and it may choke you, but there's yet another reissue around............... This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. Price is ?9.99 for the double and, since we don't really approve or give a stuff about this, we have just 5 copies in stock. It says 'limited edition' on the cover, but we have no idea how limited, so could be here next week, could be gone next month, who knows. But there ya' go....around for those who like to keep the collection going, come what may. Oh, and Mike H, the cat number is CDM GRAM 152 Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: HW: Simon House > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Nov 26 18:05:06 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:05:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:31:08 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >Well, it may choke the band and it may choke you, but there's yet another >reissue around............... >This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And >Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', >repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, >but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's >and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. If it had "Drug Cabinet Key" (aka "Flying Doctor") and/or the unbutchered/unedited 'Friends & Relations' live version of "Robot" (as opposed to the one that fades out 2/3 of the way through the song), I'd buy it in a heartbeat, crap packaging and all. But of course it doesn't. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 18:07:00 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:07:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues Message-ID: I've developed the habit, now, whenever I go into a record store, of moving all the official Hawkwind CDs to the front of the bins and all the re-re-re-reissues to the back. I guess it doesn't make much difference but - hey - it's a gesture. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: HW: Simon House too right - and it's back in stock in these hallowed halls this week. Well, it may choke the band and it may choke you, but there's yet another reissue around............... This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. Price is ?9.99 for the double and, since we don't really approve or give a stuff about this, we have just 5 copies in stock. It says 'limited edition' on the cover, but we have no idea how limited, so could be here next week, could be gone next month, who knows. But there ya' go....around for those who like to keep the collection going, come what may. Oh, and Mike H, the cat number is CDM GRAM 152 Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: HW: Simon House > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From IainFerguson at AOL.COM Mon Nov 26 18:28:44 2001 From: IainFerguson at AOL.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:28:44 EST Subject: HW: Dublin.... Message-ID: Hi folks, well i missed london which sounded good, but made Dublin tonight. I think the band wanted to fill out the sound tonight as poor Huw is NOT well, ( accute bronchitis, and i thought I was being hard with flu ). managed to sitdown upstairs and watch the lightshow properly, it was brilliant, especially as Jim Lasko had hit Lazer at the front hitting the domed roof. The improvisation gets better and better, the sound was clear and the drums were very bright and loud( someone was saying they sounded tonally dull the other day). Same set as previous nights and capt rizz was kept to a couple of passages phew !!! Band looked relaxed and Dublin went mad , and we nearly got a second encore... Ho hum... cant wait till the next time, will miss xmas gig due to work commitments. God I cant wait to hear a studio album of this lot..... So Dave when are the band going to record the new Album ? Regards iain From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Nov 26 18:31:31 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:31:31 -0500 Subject: Off:Michael Karoli Message-ID: Meant to sent this last week, interrupted by Thanksgiving (mmmmmm...turkey....mmmmmm...beer). This was in the Rolling Stone e-newsletter, thought i'd pass it on tim Date Sent: 21 Nov 2001 05:10 PM Rolling Stone Daily www.rollingstone.com Wednesday, November 21, 2001 CAN CO-FOUNDER DEAD AT FIFTY-THREE MICHAEL KAROLI, singer, guitarist and violinist for legendary German experimental rockers, CAN, died on November 17th; he was fifty-three. Co-founded by Karoli in 1966, Can released their debut, "Monster Movie," two years later and went through numerous incarnations before splitting in 1979, and regrouping for 1989's reunion album, "Rite Time." Karoli also recorded a solo album, "Deluge," in 1984. "I'd say that bands like Can had as much to do with the way I approach music as anything did," MONSTER MAGNET's DAVE WYNDORF told Rolling Stone. "Michael Karoli's guitar-playing was so far out there, but it always made some sense. He never made you think he was being weird for the sake of being weird." --------- End Original Message --------- From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 19:32:41 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:32:41 -0000 Subject: HW: - Torquay - PS and Walthamstow Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton > > Torquay - some stunning planet and galaxy images and the Elric pics from > > Live Chronicles. Beautifully done. > > It wasn't just me though - credit must also be given to Neil Ward & Marie > Jenkinson who worked like demons to produce many of the images which were > then spat out of Neil's lovely digital projector. Wow - yes of course I should have mentioned Neil & Marie and everyone else in the Hawkwind backstage and frontstage crew who were all friendly and talkative and working with amazing dedication and enthusiasm to craft sound and images into a kind of atmosphere that surrounds the music and forms a part of the whole effect so you are listening *and* watching - totally absorbed in what is going on. The best shows (IMO) are when the music and the images come together seamlessly without being blasted at you the whole time. Though I must admit that it was a shame about the lack of strobes during the more energetic tracks after they blew a fuse! Also, sadly I managed to miss the opening images at Walthamstow. Such stupidity!!! Soundwise, I may be wrong, but I felt the engineer was strugging with some difficult accoustics in that massively high hall - a splendid building admittedly. He did a great job though and Simon's violin was just liquid music at times! Praise also for Huw who played well although struggling badly with 'flu. I only wish I could have been more polite when I was introduced afterwards - those rare opportunities when you are introduced to someone you admire and can then think of absolutely nothing to say............... Thanks to Arin and Kris though for the backstage pass and the glass of wine Kris gave me which gave me enough courage to talk awhile to Dave about, of all things, archaeology! In fact I enjoyed all the shows I've been to this tour- Torquay was the best, Edinburgh and Newcastle next then Glasgow and London - I wish I could have gone to more! Hi to all I met and I hope everyone got back home safely - Germany, the rest of the UK, the US - wherever. Our group ended up with a totally insane taxi driver (at least I assume it was a taxi - the car was completely unmarked and for all I know the guy simply enjoyed driving groups of people from Walthamstow to London at 1.00am in the morning at insanely ridiculous speeds swooping in and out of lanes as though he were an airplane rather than a car - "Ejection!" came to mind often!) I admit it was the first time I have ever been grateful to gridlocked London traffic jams since this was the only thing eventually that slowed him down to a sensible speed. Ah well. It was fun. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Glad you enjoyed them! > > Keef > From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 20:28:39 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:28:39 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tape / CD Loops Message-ID: Many of you have participated in the BOC-L tape/CD swap loop and you know how it works. If know nothing about it, ignore the rest of this post. I've just organised a similar loop on another list I'm on. It's a list for techies to discuss anything they want, provided it's non-techy. To be honest, you don't even have to be technically minded, but most of the subscribers are) The idea is the same - make a tape or CD of what you're listening to at the moment, preferably the more weird/off the wall stuff. I'm organising the whole thing and doing the website (at http://richl.hn.org/tapeloop if anyone's interested). Here's the funny bit. It'll make you realise why everyone thinks people that work with computers are sad weirdos... And I quote... >Hi Richard >OK, here goes. Sorry for the delay. >I'm going for the award for 80's freak and cheesy music listener :-) >- --- >"WTF?" - S**** H***** for the Ferret Tape Loop (name blanked out to protect the guilty) >Babies - Pulp >Gold - Spandau Ballet >Everybody Hurts - The Corrs (Acoustic) >Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? - Moby >Rush Hour - Jane Wiedlin >Space Cowboy - Jamiroquai (Club Mix) >You See The Trouble With Me - Black Legend >Bloke - Chris Franklin >One More Time - Daft Punk >Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers >Whole Again - Atomic Kitten >With or Without You - U2 >Groovejet - Spiller >Glory People - Pulp I personally find it quite scary that people think that this is cutting edge/off the wall/slightly odd music. And, they think that anyone would be interested enough in their selection to go out and buy any of this stuff. To be honest, you could sit at home and listen to Heart 106.2FM and hear all this stuff. Or maybe something as radical as Virgin Radio... I don't expect Anubian Lights, Alien Planetscapes or rare Floyd tracks from a techy list. I DO expect a bit of imagination though. (If you go to the website, have a look at the list from one Steve Potz-Rayner - that's imaginative) Still, maybe at the age of thirty-four I'm just a sad old idealist who thinks that people still find music important. Obviously I'm f***ing wrong. The day Atomic Kitten or U2 are interesting is the day you can all come to a boneyard in Huddersfield to see me lowered into God's own Yorkshire soil in an urn. Rant over - please someone tell me I'm not wrong! Cheers, Rich. From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 20:33:10 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:33:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues Message-ID: > I've developed the habit, now, whenever I go into a record store, of > moving all the official Hawkwind CDs to the front of the bins and all > the re-re-re-reissues to the back. I guess it doesn't make much > difference but - hey - it's a gesture. > jill So is symbolically beating the shit out of members of the BNP, but it still doesn't make a difference. They still get a handful of votes from morons. (And round here, they still canvass for votes on my doorstep, no matter what happened last time...) *sigh* Rich. (ARSE! - I just discovered that my teabag split while I was making my cuppa. But I found out too late... I now have a mouthfull of leaves...) From rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK Mon Nov 26 21:14:39 2001 From: rich at BEERPOWEREDNOISEFRENZY.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:14:39 -0000 Subject: OFF: Internet Radio Message-ID: If you're a bit bored while you're sitting at your computer at work, stick your headphones on, and head for... http://www.live365.com/stations/155142 You never know, you might be lucky enough to grab hold of some Disarray, Das Ludicroix, or, heaven forfend, Hawkwind... :-) (I need to keep the listener hours up or I'll have to start paying for it...) Cheers, Rich. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 27 01:33:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:33:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tape / CD Loops Message-ID: Rich rants... >>OK, here goes. Sorry for the delay. > >>I'm going for the award for 80's freak and cheesy music listener :-) > >>"WTF?" - S**** H***** for the Ferret Tape Loop >(name blanked out to protect the guilty) > >>Babies - Pulp >>Gold - Spandau Ballet >>Everybody Hurts - The Corrs (Acoustic) >>Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? - Moby >>Rush Hour - Jane Wiedlin >>Space Cowboy - Jamiroquai (Club Mix) >>You See The Trouble With Me - Black Legend >>Bloke - Chris Franklin >>One More Time - Daft Punk >>Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers >>Whole Again - Atomic Kitten >>With or Without You - U2 >>Groovejet - Spiller >>Glory People - Pulp > >Rant over - please someone tell me I'm not wrong! Hm...I dunno. The only song here I've heard is "With or Without You." Spandau Ballet is that 80s band (recently chided in these parts) responsible for that one popular song "True" which indeed was remarkably hideous. Jane Wiedlin, the one Go-Go that seemed to perhaps have some smidgeon of talent, managed to make a few dollars with that one solo track "Cool something" (the only thing sticking in my mind here is "Cool in the Pool" but that's Holger Czukay). Moby is that bald dude that does summathat hip electronica stuff. I've seen the names Jamiroquai (they're not 80s are they? Neither is Moby for that matter.) and Manic Street Preachers before, but have no idea what they sound like. Surely this isn't/wasn't mega-popular music is it? Atomic Kitten? I'm not *that* out of it am I? I'm sure it's all crap, and that it's sold 17 times as many copies as 'Yule Ritual,' but I imagine it could be worse couldn't it? Like who is this Robbie Williams person Harvey was telling me about...I'd never heard of him before. And they *did* say 'cheesy' didn't they? Surely that's accurate! Grakkl (FAA) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 27 06:00:16 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:00:16 GMT Subject: HW: Simon House In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And > Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', > repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, > but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's > and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. > Price is ?9.99 for the double and, since we don't really approve or give a > stuff about this, we have just 5 copies in stock. It says 'limited edition' > on the cover, but we have no idea how limited, so could be here next week, > could be gone next month, who knows. But there ya' go....around for those > who like to keep the collection going, come what may. Oh, and Mike H, the > cat number is CDM GRAM 152 Thanks. Does the overall package have a title? Can you confirm the tracklists as: And I'll add it to the Codex. If it's just the straight CD's that I already have, I won't bother kollecting it. 1993 The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations CD [Anagram] [different compilation from Flicknife] Spirit of the Age (Hawkwind) Raj Neesh (Inner City Unit) Robot (Hawkwind) Canes Venatici (Underground Zero) Dodgem Dudes (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) Golden Void (Sonic Assassins) Lord of the Hornets (Robert Calvert) Motherless Children (Dave Brock) Sweet Mistress of Pain (Hawkwind Zoo) Social Alliance (Hawkwind) Outside the Law (The LLoyd Langton Group) Time Centre (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) Vampire (Stravinsky's Shoe) Over the Top (Sonic Assassins) Space Invaders (Inner City Limit) Psy Power (Hawkwind) 1995 Hawkwind Friends and Relations - The Rarities CD [Anagram] Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) Psychedelia Lives (Hawkwind) Working Time (Lloyd Langton Group) Rainbow Warrior (Underground Zero) Brothel In Rosenstrasse (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) Toad On The Road (Alman Mulo Band) Earth Calling (Hawkwind) The Changing (Harvey Bainbridge) The Widow Song (Robert Calvert) Starcruiser (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) I.C.U (Inner City Unit) I See You (Lloyd Langton Group) Human Beings (Inner City Unit) Atom Bomb (Atom God) Phone Home Elliot (Uncle Nik And The E.T's) > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Litchfield" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:43 PM > Subject: HW: Simon House > > > > > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Steve Litchfield > > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 27 06:01:34 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:01:34 GMT Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:07:00 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > I've developed the habit, now, whenever I go into a record store, of > moving all the official Hawkwind CDs to the front of the bins and all > the re-re-re-reissues to the back. I guess it doesn't make much > difference but - hey - it's a gesture. Maybe we should get our own "Warning - Not Official Release" stickers made? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 27 06:04:47 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:04:47 GMT Subject: HW: Dublin.... In-Reply-To: Iain Ferguson's message of Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:28:44 EST Message-ID: Iain Ferguson writes: > Band looked relaxed and Dublin went mad , and we nearly got a second > encore... > > Ho hum... cant wait till the next time, will miss xmas gig due to work > commitments. God I cant wait to hear a studio album of this lot..... > > So Dave when are the band going to record the new Album ? Seconded! This tour reminded me why I've been a Hawkwind fan all these years. This is one of the strongest lineups they've ever had and it just has to be crystallised to disc. FoFP From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Tue Nov 27 07:07:55 2001 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:07:55 +0100 Subject: Copenhagen Space Rock Festival Message-ID: COPENHAGEN SPACE ROCK FESTIVAL 2002 Loppen, Christiania, Denmark Sat. March 23rd 18:00 until 05:00 featuring DARK SUN (FINLAND) DARXTAR (SWEDEN) MANTRIC MUSE (DENMARK) THE SPACIOUS MIND (SWEDEN) GAS GIANT (DENMARK) possibly?? PSUEDO SUN (SWEDEN) All bands will be given 75 minute sets. A compilation CD will be released prior to the event on Burnt Hippie Recordings with one unreleased track from each band. (www.burnthippie.dk) We hope that we can bring in an international crowd for this event and make it a yearly event. There will be several ticket options. One which includes hotel for friday or friday and saturday or sat and sun or just the ticket alone or you can find your own place to stay. We will get a good rate at Cab Inn. http://www.cabinn.dk/ (about $50 a night). If you hope to attend, please reply to this message so we can put you on our list. More information will come out soon about the compilation CD, ticket prices, etc... I hope this gives everyone plenty of time to plan for this event and come visit beautiful Copenhagen for a weekend. scott and ralph Please only reply to the spacerockDK at hotmail and not this email address. Thanks.. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 27 07:45:30 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:45:30 -0500 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:36:03 -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: >I forgot to include Angels of Death on the track list (Dave/Alan fluffed a >line in it on the second verse): not my favourite song at the best of >times - maybe I'd blanked it out subconsciously :-) I dunno, I think it's been outstanding of late. The "Yule Ritual" version is amazing- perhaps the best track on the album- and at Walthamstow they completely re-invented the middle section yet again (no Jez Huggett)- a great electronic passage building up gradually back into the riff. Great gig at Walthamstow. The sound was undoubtedly the best I've ever experienced at a Hawkwind show. Finally we heard Simon House as he should be heard. "Wind of Change" and the intro to "Hassan I sabbah" were sublime. Huw played superbly despite looking very unwell. I noticed Dave pointing at Huw both times he sang the line ".. where the wizened sages sat" in "Assault and Battery"- was he teasing him about having to sit down at times? If I had a gripe (has to be one little gripe!) it was "Motorway City"- it's curious that while they restlessly re-invent the other old songs, this one always seems to stay the same, and it's getting a bit played out I think. They slowed "Hurry On Sundown" right down which was interesting- less bouncy but more hypnotic. Another great performance- everyone played a blinder- special mention to unsung hero Richard Chadwick who was outstanding. The other thing is- I had forgotten what a superb venue this is. Only been there once before, over 15 years ago. It's ideal for a band like HW and I hope they play there again. Only downer was the last train back from Victoria being cancelled by the blithering idiots who run our railways, with an ancient bus eventually coming to take a large and angry group of people home to Kent. A journey that should take 25 minutes ended up taking 3 hours. Still, can't blame Dave- or even Nik- for that ;-) From micci at SCI.FI Tue Nov 27 09:04:59 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:04:59 +0200 Subject: HW Walthamstow - I think I get in first this time Message-ID: Hi! >Now when they?re on the move, why not a few dates in Europe and SWEDEN especially. Yeah and Finland too! FinnWind will do everything that someday... Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 27 11:01:18 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:01:18 -0000 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. C. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Tue Nov 27 11:57:47 2001 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:47 CST Subject: OFF: Tape / CD Loops In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:00:06 CST." <200111271000.FAA00342@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: K Henderson writes: >Jane Wiedlin, the one Go-Go that seemed to perhaps have some smidgeon >of talent, managed to make a few dollars with that one solo track >"Cool something" (the only thing sticking in my mind here is "Cool in >the Pool" but that's Holger Czukay). She sang on "Cool Places", a single from Sparks' album "In Outer Space". m@ ObCD: Sparks, "Angst In My Pants" From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 27 12:01:59 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:01:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tape / CD Loops Message-ID: Her main solo hit was "Rush Hour", which I actually embarrassingly think is a really good song :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Braun" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Tape / CD Loops > K Henderson writes: > > >Jane Wiedlin, the one Go-Go that seemed to perhaps have some smidgeon > >of talent, managed to make a few dollars with that one solo track > >"Cool something" (the only thing sticking in my mind here is "Cool in > >the Pool" but that's Holger Czukay). > > She sang on "Cool Places", a single from Sparks' album "In Outer Space". > > m@ > ObCD: Sparks, "Angst In My Pants" From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 27 14:29:29 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:29:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: will do all that back at the office as I have left the thing there by accident. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: HW: Simon House > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And > > Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', > > repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, > > but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's > > and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. > > > Price is ?9.99 for the double and, since we don't really approve or give a > > stuff about this, we have just 5 copies in stock. It says 'limited edition' > > on the cover, but we have no idea how limited, so could be here next week, > > could be gone next month, who knows. But there ya' go....around for those > > who like to keep the collection going, come what may. Oh, and Mike H, the > > cat number is CDM GRAM 152 > > Thanks. Does the overall package have a title? > > Can you confirm the tracklists as: > > And I'll add it to the Codex. If it's just the straight CD's that I > already have, I won't bother kollecting it. > > > 1993 The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations CD [Anagram] > [different compilation from Flicknife] > Spirit of the Age (Hawkwind) > Raj Neesh (Inner City Unit) > Robot (Hawkwind) > Canes Venatici (Underground Zero) > Dodgem Dudes (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) > Golden Void (Sonic Assassins) > Lord of the Hornets (Robert Calvert) > Motherless Children (Dave Brock) > Sweet Mistress of Pain (Hawkwind Zoo) > Social Alliance (Hawkwind) > Outside the Law (The LLoyd Langton Group) > Time Centre (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) > Vampire (Stravinsky's Shoe) > Over the Top (Sonic Assassins) > Space Invaders (Inner City Limit) > Psy Power (Hawkwind) > 1995 Hawkwind Friends and Relations - The Rarities CD [Anagram] > Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) > Psychedelia Lives (Hawkwind) > Working Time (Lloyd Langton Group) > Rainbow Warrior (Underground Zero) > Brothel In Rosenstrasse (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) > Toad On The Road (Alman Mulo Band) > Earth Calling (Hawkwind) > The Changing (Harvey Bainbridge) > The Widow Song (Robert Calvert) > Starcruiser (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) > I.C.U (Inner City Unit) > I See You (Lloyd Langton Group) > Human Beings (Inner City Unit) > Atom Bomb (Atom God) > Phone Home Elliot (Uncle Nik And The E.T's) > > > > Andy G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Litchfield" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:43 PM > > Subject: HW: Simon House > > > > > > > > > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > > > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > > > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Steve Litchfield > > > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ > > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Nov 27 14:48:32 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:48:32 GMT Subject: HW: Dave Brock - Memos And Demos / Notes And Quotes Message-ID: Stephan Wrote: >9. Luna - another new track, a guitar-based rocker in the Electric Teepee >vein. Depressing lyrics about sudden death and suicide. Its funny how we have our own interpretations of songs. To me "Luna" comes across as being about having to 'put down' (shoot?) a fatally injured and dearly loved pet (a horse possibly?) I may be well off track there but thats the image I get. I 've listened to this album a lot now and it gets better evry time! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 27 15:28:43 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:28:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tape / CD Loops Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:33:37 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Rich rants... > >>>OK, here goes. Sorry for the delay. >> >>>I'm going for the award for 80's freak and cheesy music listener :-) >> >>>"WTF?" - S**** H***** for the Ferret Tape Loop >>(name blanked out to protect the guilty) >> >>>Babies - Pulp >>>Gold - Spandau Ballet >>>Everybody Hurts - The Corrs (Acoustic) >>>Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? - Moby >>>Rush Hour - Jane Wiedlin >>>Space Cowboy - Jamiroquai (Club Mix) >>>You See The Trouble With Me - Black Legend >>>Bloke - Chris Franklin >>>One More Time - Daft Punk >>>Motorcycle Emptiness - Manic Street Preachers >>>Whole Again - Atomic Kitten >>>With or Without You - U2 >>>Groovejet - Spiller >>>Glory People - Pulp >> >>Rant over - please someone tell me I'm not wrong! Well (as Keith already pointed out) at least he ADMITS it's "cheesy music :- )"! >Hm...I dunno. The only song here I've heard is "With or Without You." ... >Surely this isn't/wasn't mega-popular music is it? Atomic Kitten? I'm not >*that* out of it am I? I would suspect that what we're seeing here is a difference between what's popular in the UK (Rich's home) vs. the USA (Keith's home). I know that Pulp, the Corrs, Jamiroquai, Daft Punk & Manic Street Preachers are all HUGE in the UK (and someone like Moby is probably bigger there than here in the States), but more "alternative" in the USA (my flatmate pours Guinness at an Irish bar in SF, so the jukebox there is weighted heavily towards stuff that's popular in the UK ... I think it has the complete Radiohead and Portishead discographies!). And I'm not positive, but I'll bet that the likes of Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, and the other horrid nu-metal/hiphop- rock bands that are currently huge (although possibly on the way out?) in the USA are relatively unknown in the UK. Much the same as when in the 70's, we Yanks were spared horrible crap like Status Quo, while the Brits didn't have to put up with equally horrid stuff like Styx. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 27 15:39:33 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:39:33 -0500 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:01:18 -0000, Chris Allen wrote: >Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? Yes (I assume you're referring to the Charisma album of that title, and not the "live" CD single). The Griffin (US) pressing sold out a few years ago, and the earlier Virgin (UK) one has been out-of-print for even longer. >I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. Well, since it got a US release, it should (hopefully) be cheaper on eBay than 'Hawklords/25 Years On' or 'P.X.R.5' CD's (which, if I'm not mistaken, have gone for close to 3 figures). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 27 16:06:25 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:06:25 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly Message-ID: Hi All, A Brief Post Before I Rebuild My Poorly PC: WoW. Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Walthamstow. What a wonderful Blur of Hawkwind performances. It was fantastic to see the band in such good shape. It was wonderful to see everyone of the list again (or for the first time) Thanks to Jill Strobridge, and Mike (Laminator) Holmes, and Stuart(for letting me crash on the floor), Dennis, Eric, Alastair and everyone else that I met throughout the six gigs I went to. Same Band, Same Songs, Different venue, but the SAME audience And Walthamstow...a dream come true, Arin got us into the soundcheck :-) :-) :-) :-) Thanks to the band and crew for putting up with us :-) Everyone is so nice. Thanks to Arin for being herself. The Strangest things happen, and I never expected before I set off on this tour, that by the end of it, I would have found my soulmate, and that such a beautiful person would have come into my life. :-) :-) What a trip.... Can anyone tell me what the setlist was for the second half of the gig at Walthamstow, I sort of missed it ;-), although I do remember screaming noooooooooooo when Captain Rizz appeared, and the mind blowing version of Winds of Change, I don't think Simons Violin has ever sounded so good. Rich Warren Seeyou after my PC Rebuild From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Tue Nov 27 20:05:58 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:05:58 -0800 Subject: OFF: King Crimson In-Reply-To: <3C01FCE0.5515.4A67F0@localhost> Message-ID: I would be happy to ;) It's a 1988 Hamer Diablo, metallic candy apple red (sooo 80's) with h/s/s pickup configuration and a Hamer-Floyd Rose tremolo. The neck single coil is twinned with a sustainiac (a controllable feedback generator-it's a BLAST). Action is great. Bought it on ebay from an online-mortar/brick guitar store. I contacted Adrian through a fan site, and he confirmed it was his. He said he traded it and another guitar for a black Rickenbacker which can be seen on his latest album cover (his band, not KC). I was going to try and see if he would sign it for me, but the KC tour swings through my city when I am out of town :( Regardless, it's a great guitar. Sounds great by itself, the action is smooth, but having this endless feedback with a Floyd Rose tremolo is just soooo much fun. If Mr. Brock hasn't tried a sustainiac-equipped guitar, get thee to the nearest music equipment proprietor and give one a whirl! Dave At 08:27 AM 11/26/01 -0400, you wrote: >On 21 Nov 2001, at 23:03, dhuggins wrote: > > > Hmm, > > > > Oddly enough, coming from a different direction, I just bought a > > guitar that belonged to Adrian Belew, current KC guitar/vocals . . . > > >Whoa! How 'bout some details? > >theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 27 17:36:06 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:36:06 -0500 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly In-Reply-To: <001701c17787$60496e80$3dacacac@t1>; from rich.warren@BTINTERNET.COM on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:06:25PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:06:25PM -0000, Rich Warren wrote: > And Walthamstow...a dream come true, A couple of them, I should think ... > Arin got us into the soundcheck :-) :-) ... and if you don't make clear that this was the lesser of them, I expect someone will be rather upset :-) > Can anyone tell me what the setlist was for the second half of the gig at > Walthamstow, I sort of missed it ;-) Lighthouse Levitation Spiral Galaxy Moonglum Brainbox Pollution Winds of Change Angels of Death The Watcher Motorway City Hurry on Sundown Assassins of Allah (w/ Space is their Palestine, plus Rizz's "new tribe" dub thing) --- Assault & Battery Golden Void Ejection The only variations I heard from Cardiff through Walthamstow were: - Capt. Rizz's "new tribe" thing only happened the one night he was there - At Torquay (I'm almost certain it was there), they split Ejection off into a second encore. Same set list; just the phrasing was different Band changes: - Keith K. was only there a few nights - Jez was there for Torquay, hooray! - As mentioned, Rizz was only there for Walthamstow > , although I do remember screaming > noooooooooooo when Captain Rizz appeared, What's wrong with a little variety? Geez! > and the mind blowing version of Winds of Change, No argument there! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 27 17:45:11 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:45:11 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly Message-ID: Ejection was also a second encore at Swindon and the ONLY encore at Birmingham. Cheers, COLIN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: HW Tour: Briefly On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:06:25PM -0000, Rich Warren wrote: > And Walthamstow...a dream come true, A couple of them, I should think ... > Arin got us into the soundcheck :-) :-) ... and if you don't make clear that this was the lesser of them, I expect someone will be rather upset :-) > Can anyone tell me what the setlist was for the second half of the gig at > Walthamstow, I sort of missed it ;-) Lighthouse Levitation Spiral Galaxy Moonglum Brainbox Pollution Winds of Change Angels of Death The Watcher Motorway City Hurry on Sundown Assassins of Allah (w/ Space is their Palestine, plus Rizz's "new tribe" dub thing) --- Assault & Battery Golden Void Ejection The only variations I heard from Cardiff through Walthamstow were: - Capt. Rizz's "new tribe" thing only happened the one night he was there - At Torquay (I'm almost certain it was there), they split Ejection off into a second encore. Same set list; just the phrasing was different Band changes: - Keith K. was only there a few nights - Jez was there for Torquay, hooray! - As mentioned, Rizz was only there for Walthamstow > , although I do remember screaming > noooooooooooo when Captain Rizz appeared, What's wrong with a little variety? Geez! > and the mind blowing version of Winds of Change, No argument there! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 27 17:49:56 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:49:56 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly Message-ID: Thanks for that Eric. :-) It's Dreams times two. And The Soundcheck was MOST definately in second place. :-) But I'm not changing my mind about Rizz. Rich Warren From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 27 17:51:16 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:51:16 -0500 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly In-Reply-To: <001b01c17795$2c70b1a0$76a4193e@x2t8s9>; from colin@CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > Ejection was [...] the ONLY encore at Birmingham. Did they play A&B and Golden Void in the main set, or not at all? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 27 18:01:29 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:01:29 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly Message-ID: They didn't play them at all. HW did not come onstage until 11:05pm and I believe the curtailed encore was due to the club needing to close. Ejection was disrupted by the bar staff throwing glass bottles into large bins which made a lovely "crashing starfighter" noise:). Cheers, COLIN (who actually thought that Captain Rizz added something positive at Walthamstow!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:51 PM Subject: Re: HW Tour: Briefly On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > Ejection was [...] the ONLY encore at Birmingham. Did they play A&B and Golden Void in the main set, or not at all? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 27 18:15:47 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:15:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Nottingham 1990 Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know what has happened to the alleged release of the Nottingham 1990 1 (or 2) CD set? From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Nov 27 18:56:07 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:56:07 -0500 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: try they have it for $10.98 + shipping (listed anyway) tim Chris Allen wrote: > > Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? > I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. > > C. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 27 14:38:30 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:38:30 -0000 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: yes - horribly so. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Allen" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: HW: QS&C > Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? > I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. > > C. From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Tue Nov 27 19:29:50 2001 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:29:50 +1100 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: I have seen a few copies in the local stores here in Melbourne , I can check today(28/11/01). regards Marty From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 27 19:39:19 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:39:19 GMT Subject: HW: Dave Brock - Memos And Demos / Notes And Quotes In-Reply-To: Mick Crook's message of Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:48:32 GMT Message-ID: Mick Crook writes: > Its funny how we have our own interpretations of songs. To me "Luna" > comes across as being about having to 'put down' (shoot?) a fatally > injured and dearly loved pet (a horse possibly?) I may be well off > track there but thats the image I get. Yep, ditto. FoFP From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 27 21:29:07 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:29:07 +0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly In-Reply-To: <20011127173606.A23682@telepres.com> Message-ID: In message <20011127173606.A23682 at telepres.com>, Eric Siegerman writes > - As mentioned, Rizz was only there for Walthamstow > >> , although I do remember screaming >> noooooooooooo when Captain Rizz appeared, > >What's wrong with a little variety? Geez! I think I've finally made up my mind about Rizz. To wit: His dancing is cool-as-fuck. I realise many will not agree, but I think the way he moves like a double-jointed psychedelic aerobics instructor is... well, hardly a thing of beauty, but a remarkable sight nonetheless. He's easily the best dancer I've seen on stage with HW (admittedly I never saw Stacia!) He has a good voice. BUT... his lyrics are dreadful. When he began with his customary cry of "New Age!!" - suddenly I remembered that I am in fact horribly allergic to this phrase- it brings me out in a rash of overwhelming cynicism. On balance I sort of like him. And he must have fairly sizeable balls to be attempting the whole Rasta-psych crossover thing in the first place. -- Nick Medford From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Nov 28 00:00:03 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:00:03 -0500 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: I tried to order 3 HW cd's from White Rabbit, they were Warrior, Sonic Attack and something else...not QS&C... Anyway I got an email back from them saying they couldn't get their hands on *any* Hawkwind CD's very sorry etc. etc.. Never mind being sorry, WHY LIST THINGS THAT YOU DON"T HAVE?! This is a shabby practice that a lot of web retailers go in for, and it's one that I particularly loathe. So I wouldn't bother with White Rabbit if I were you... Steve ------- On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:56:07 -0500, Tim wrote: >try they have it for $10.98 + shipping (listed anyway) >tim From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 28 00:54:57 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:54:57 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck The Night of the Can (Mike Karoli...what Can you say?), the Deviants (Mr. Farren comes out to play in L.A.) and the Hawkwind Remasters (...imagine Stacia...) 1.Can-- "Hallelujah" (Tago Mago; Mute/Spoon) 2.Can-- "I'm So Green" (Ege Bamyasi; Mute/Spoon) 3.The Deviants-- "Opening/I'm Coming Home" (Ptoof!!; London/Sire...Capt.Trips?) 4.The Deviants-- "Billy the Monster" (Number 3) 5.Pink Floyd-- "Lucifer Sam" (EMI/Harvest) 6.Frank Zappa-- "Ya Hozna" (Them or Us; Ryko Disc/Barking Pumpkin) 7.Muz-- "Invulnerable Lactose Overbite" (Banana in Portuguese; Tekito) 8.Pseudo Buddha-- "Calling Quezalcoatl" (Flourescent Tunnelvision; Submergence) 9.Hawkwind-- "Brainstorm" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 10.Hawkwind-- "You Know You're Only Dreaming" (In Search of Space; EMI) 11.F/i-- "Space Station" (Turn Century Turn; Mother West) 12.Cul de Sac-- "James Coburn" (China Gate; Thirsy Ear) 13.Mushroom-- "I Had Some Dreams, They were Clouds in My Coffee" (Foxy Music; Innerspace) 14.Krom Lek-- "Sarsen Jam" (A Breath of Fresh Air; Stone Premonitions) 15.Mr. Quimby's Beard-- "Reality" (Out There; Demi Monde) 16.Hawkwind-- "Master of the Universe" (Space Ritual; EMI) (...pathetic spiel about Stacia's breasts...) 17.Kopecky-- "Temptation's Screaming-Ground" (Orion; M.A.C.E.) 18.quarkspace-- "Red Star Pulsing" (Spacefolds 7; Eternity's Jest) 19.maudlin of the Well-- "The Blue Ghost/Shedding Qliphoth; Dark Symphonies) 20.Aqueous-- "This Dry Earth" (Entertaining Angels; Hermetic) 21.Hawkwind-- "Psychedelic Warlords (disappear in smoke)" (Hall of the Mountain Grill; EMI) 22.Can-- "The Empress and the Ukraine King" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) 23.Charalambides-- "One Song" (Serotonin Ronin II comp; Camera Obscura) 24.Abunai!-- "Barbera Allen" (Mystic River Sound/Serotonin Ronin II; Camera O) 25.The Deviants-- "The Last Man" (Disposable; London/Sire...Capt.Trips?) thanks, Chuck PS: Post Care: Zappa/Rugburns/Sonics/Beefheart/Sleepytime Gorilla Museum From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 02:50:53 2001 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:50:53 -0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: I'm sorry, this isn't exactly BOC or Hawkwind but I would like to share this with everybody that might be interested, I'm also sorry that some of you have recieved this at least 3 times across the various lists. Thanks to another great transfer by Colin Allen, I am currently taking sign-ups for a tree structure to distribute the recent Ozric Tentacles gig at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 If you would like to take part then please send me the following information to pwibrew13 at blueyonder.co.uk please include Standard tree in the subject line Name..... Email..... Country.... (if USA which State)...... Branch / Leaf...... Max No. of Leaves..... There is a collective effort on the ozrics.com message board to get together artwork, and should end up a stunning package. Sign-ups are open till the 4th December when the structure will then be finalised All that remains is that if you do take part, have patience with this novice........ All the best Peter From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Nov 28 04:57:08 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:57:08 -0500 Subject: HW: ebay Hawklogs Message-ID: Here's something else that annoys me about Ebay and shows how contradictory they are. The auction you mention was permitted to proceed. But in my mail order catalog I carry many titles that are released by the bands on CDR for economic reasons. They simply can't afford to have a batch of 500+ CD's manufactured. But these are still the OFFICIAL releases. But Ebay cancelled my auctions immediately when I posted them for sale because they forbid CDR sales unless you can state you are the copyright holder. I explained the situation to them and that I'm an authorized distributor but they wouldn't budge. And I can't not explain the nature of the releases in my listings or I risk pissing off buyers. In short, Ebay is concerned about bootleggers, but it's easy to sell unofficial/bootlegged releases on Ebay while I can't help artists that get little distribution get exposure through Ebay, which is really a great selling source. They've simply classified CDR's as across-the-board bootleg fodder. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Nov 28 05:22:12 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:22:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? Message-ID: I have a copy on CD but only 1, hence the reason its not for sale:-) Last Ebay one went for about ?35 >> Subject: Re: HW: QS&C On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:01:18 -0000, Chris Allen wrote: >Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? Yes (I assume you're referring to the Charisma album of that title, and not the "live" CD single). The Griffin (US) pressing sold out a few years ago, and the earlier Virgin (UK) one has been out-of-print for even longer. >I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. Well, since it got a US release, it should (hopefully) be cheaper on eBay than 'Hawklords/25 Years On' or 'P.X.R.5' CD's (which, if I'm not mistaken, have gone for close to 3 figures). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Nov 28 05:24:22 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:24:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? Message-ID: You will find a lot of unscrupulous dealers just enter entire catalogues into their databases rather than just available items. >>>>Subject: Re: HW: QS&C I tried to order 3 HW cd's from White Rabbit, they were Warrior, Sonic Attack and something else...not QS&C... Anyway I got an email back from them saying they couldn't get their hands on *any* Hawkwind CD's very sorry etc. etc.. Never mind being sorry, WHY LIST THINGS THAT YOU DON"T HAVE?! This is a shabby practice that a lot of web retailers go in for, and it's one that I particularly loathe. So I wouldn't bother with White Rabbit if I were you... Steve From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 28 08:18:24 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:18:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson in NYC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bill, If you see a 5'7" redhead (possibly wearing a black leather jacket) among the throng, chances are good it's me. Say hi if you get the chance! Brian > > << Anybody else going to the show at the Beacon on the 13th? >> > > Yep:) > > bill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 28 11:22:56 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:56 -0500 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted In-Reply-To: <001301c177e1$6823ad00$470b1e3e@peterwibrew>; from pwibrew13@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Wed Nov 28 11:51:38 2001 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (Tony Hogard) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:51:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: random thoughts - King Crimson Message-ID: Tom Clark: > Trey Gunn, but the way, was on the John Paul Jones album "Zooma", > for what > it's worth. (Actually, I think the album screamed for Plant to be a > vocalist, but that's another story......)..... I just picked this one up yesterday (_monster_ 10- & 12-string parts on this, BTW), and actually, it reinforces my belief that JPJ's playing was the only redeeming feature of Led Zeppelin. -Tone From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Wed Nov 28 12:08:07 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:08:07 -0500 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Walthamstow has had a long history of cool gigs. This is due in part to the Royal Standard pub. I've been there many times since the early eighties to see some wicked bands including Hew lloyd Langton and Inner City Unit among many others. In the eighties and nineties it was a Hardcore biker pub policed by the Essex Hells Angels and had a series of bands and an excelent Rock Disco nights run by Neil Kay (The bloke who discovered Iron maiden). Paul Di Anno, Iron Maidens original vox (and IMHO greatest), was a regular sight proping the pool table up and telling anyone who'd listed "I was in Iron Maiden I was. It was certainly Space central - The acid/speed was in plentiful supply and most of the clientelle were "off their faces" (Me included :-)) In more recent years they've cleaned up the Drug scene (mostly :-)) and the Angels got bored or busted. Musicaly nowdays they do a lot of rock Tribute bands which are mostly pretty professional - and a few "Wrinkley Rockers" type bands such as Wisbone ash. Seeing the Cosmik Testicles there was a bit of a treat. This isn't the only venue in Walthamstow but it's probably got a lot to do with why Walthamstow become Space-rock Central. Hope this goes part way towards answering your question. Regards Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster Silver machine - Hawkwind tribute Band - http://www.silvermachine.net Royal Standard - Walthamstow - http://www.standardmusicvenue.co.uk/ On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:56 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? >And why??? From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Nov 28 11:36:32 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:36:32 -0500 Subject: A good souce for HW cds/lps?? Message-ID: I stumbled across this link and did a search for Hawkwind and there were quite a lot of items listed. Anyone ever purchase from them? I'm curious. www.gemm.com Dan D. -----Original Message----- From: Tim [SMTP:ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:56 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: QS&C try they have it for $10.98 + shipping (listed anyway) tim Chris Allen wrote: > > Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? > I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. > > C. From bart at ENGAGE.NU Wed Nov 28 13:06:24 2001 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:06:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: decayes Message-ID: Hi, My office is above a night club, and they decided to clear out their record collection. I came across a record from the Decayes called HorNetz. It has an inner saying only 300 were made, and a potocopy of an Anteater is glued on the cover. I tried to find information about them, but I actiually didn't. Does anybody know more from this avant garde electronic freak out band (they sound great btw) Bart From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 28 13:16:05 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:16:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow gig Message-ID: Does anyone have any details about Bruise, the support band from Walthamstow? --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 13:18:00 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:18:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 In-Reply-To: <4e.26d3b6a.2935d631@aol.com> Message-ID: In message <4e.26d3b6a.2935d631 at aol.com>, Chuck Rosenberg writes >22.Can-- "The Empress and the Ukraine King" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) Never heard this, or anything else after "Landed" (not counting the recent live 70-75 retrospective, which is superb). Landed is pretty good, but the conventional wisdom is that things went rapidly downhill thereafter. But- since I'm aware that conventional wisdom is often a load of dingo's kidneys- I'd be curious to read opinions on the later Can albums from those in the know. My local CD emporium has a surprisingly complete Can section right now and I'm thinking of taking some of it off their hands but I'm a bit wary of the post-75 releases (already have everything from Monster Movie through to Landed). Guidance please.... -- Nick Medford From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Wed Nov 28 14:10:01 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:10:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: decayes In-Reply-To: <3C0535B0.12273.452013F@localhost> Message-ID: I saw the Decayes, assuming they are the same group, perform in the late 70's at the Manifestival of Progressive Music that Daevid Allen headlined. IIRC they were a three piece ensemble from Southern California. You may inquire of list member Rob Jacobs because they were friends of his. Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Bart Brugmans Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:06 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: decayes Hi, My office is above a night club, and they decided to clear out their record collection. I came across a record from the Decayes called HorNetz. It has an inner saying only 300 were made, and a potocopy of an Anteater is glued on the cover. I tried to find information about them, but I actiually didn't. Does anybody know more from this avant garde electronic freak out band (they sound great btw) Bart From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Wed Nov 28 14:18:14 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:18:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock - Memos And Demos / Notes And Quotes Message-ID: >>9. Luna - another new track, a guitar-based rocker in the Electric >>Teepee vein. Depressing lyrics about sudden death and suicide. > >Its funny how we have our own interpretations of songs. To me "Luna" >comes across as being about having to 'put down' (shoot?) a fatally >injured and dearly loved pet (a horse possibly?) I may be well off >track there but thats the image I get. I must say this interpretation never entered my mind, but now that you mention it, it fits perfectly. All Creatures Great and Small, and Mr. Brock owning a farm and all, I suspect you have nailed it. Stephan From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Nov 28 14:22:31 2001 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: King Crimson in NYC Message-ID: Just to throw my tuppence in, I heartily reccomend everyone to catch the Crimson show. I was bummed that I couldn't get seats to the Tool/Crimson tour, but was elated to find them coming 'round again as headliners. Simply awesome. The power and menace of the Crimson King in full glory is a thing to behold. The new tracks are purely breathtaking (that and the bass coming out of Trey & Pat). The lighting is also stunning, kudos to their stage director. There is also a only-at-the-shows EP available, Level Five, all new stuff except for The Konstruction of Light, all recorded live, but so very cleanly that it sounds like they were recorded in the studio. scorch From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 28 15:03:18 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:03:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:18:00 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <4e.26d3b6a.2935d631 at aol.com>, Chuck Rosenberg > writes > >>22.Can-- "The Empress and the Ukraine King" >>(Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) > >Never heard this, or anything else after "Landed" (not counting the recent >live 70-75 retrospective, which is superb). Landed is pretty good, but the >conventional wisdom is that things went rapidly downhill thereafter... It's probably worth pointing out that 'Unlimited Edition' is a compilation of outtakes (many instrumental) from about '69 to '75 (I think?). The track listed above, for instance, is from the Malcolm Mooney era. A good thing to have once you own all the "real" albums from that era (including 'Delay 1968'). As for post-75 Can, I'm not really qualified to comment ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 14:33:04 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:04 -0000 Subject: A good souce for HW cds/lps?? Message-ID: try www.cdzone.co.uk they only sell new stuff but there quite good and have a heck of a list. Watvh out though they like to list long deleted stuff too. I've used them quite a lot in the past for stuff like the hawkwind remix project and tales from atomhenge and they got them to me quite quickly. Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 Currently listening to: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: Re: A good souce for HW cds/lps?? > I stumbled across this link and did a search for Hawkwind and there were > quite a lot > of items listed. Anyone ever purchase from them? I'm curious. > > www.gemm.com > > Dan D. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim [SMTP:ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:56 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: QS&C > > try they have it for $10.98 + shipping (listed > anyway) > tim > Chris Allen wrote: > > > > Is Quark Strangeness and Charm deleted? > > I can't find it on any online CD seller, not even Zeitgeist. > > > > C. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 28 15:09:29 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:09:29 -0500 Subject: A good souce for HW cds/lps?? Message-ID: Dan asked... >I stumbled across this link and did a search for Hawkwind and there were >quite a lot >of items listed. Anyone ever purchase from them? I'm curious. > >www.gemm.com Gemm.com isn't a 'store', but rather a large consortium of other generally independant-type mail order businesses that have all agreed to put their own catalogs into the Gemm.com system in order to provide users a quick way of searching for a particular item throughout many a business. So it's very much like www.mysimon.com or any of those other availability/price comparison search engines. It's been around for four or five years, and I use it all the time to search for things/dealers. In most cases, you don't really need to order anything through gemm.com, but you can. (In some cases, they charge you a service fee, but not always.) But in cases where the particular dealer already has their own secure server order page, you can simply link to that site directly and order it as you would have done if you'd known to go there in the first place. I have, in two or three cases, found something I wanted that only dealt through gemm.com (had no site of their own), and found using gemm.com was no problem (and it didn't charge me any extra for doing the cc transaction). The main problems with gemm.com are making sense out of the listings - if people spell an album title differently or abbreviate something differently, the gemm.com search engine doesn't usually get them all combined into a single listing. And they mix different formats into single listings too, which is a little annoying. But it's a fabulous device to have available and I wish that more dealers that I commonly order from were part of it. (But of course, those are ones that I know to check anyway....) It's usually the things out of the ordinary (apart from my main space/psych listening tendencies) that I have the most success with gemm.com, because the best vendor(s) aren't obvious to me. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Note: A few 'dealers' on gemm.com are the type that have bogus inflated catalogs of stuff that they really don't have any idea whether they can get or not! You all know what I'm talking about...they just compile a list from the various distributors that they procure stuff from, and they only really know whether they can get what you want when somebody actually orders one. And then they find out that it's been deleted years ago, and you get pissed off. There's a place in Michigan (TCLImports or something) that has this kind of catalog (muzos.com too, who I think are the same people), and some places in northwestern Europe (Holland I think) that have these sorts of bogus catalogs on gemm.com (which make it seem like they have *everything* you want). On gemm.com, they do list the 'fill rate' for each business, so these bastards you can easily detect by their exceedingly low numbers. From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 15:57:06 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:57:06 -0000 Subject: HW Tour:Briefly Message-ID: Not only did the 11.05pm start mean that Birmingham was the only venue to miss Assault & Battery/Golden Void, but also had to wait through the ENTIRE sets of BOTH support bands for the privilege. Does this make sense? Why couldn't THEIR sets be cut short? R On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:45:11PM -0000, Colin J Allen wrote: > Ejection was [...] the ONLY encore at Birmingham. Did they play A&B and Golden Void in the main set, or not at all? From: Colin J Allen Subject: Re: HW Tour: Briefly They didn't play them at all. HW did not come onstage until 11:05pm and I believe the curtailed encore was due to the club needing to close. Ejection was disrupted by the bar staff throwing glass bottles into large bins which made a lovely "crashing starfighter" noise:). Cheers, COLIN From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 15:59:36 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:59:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow gig - Bruise Message-ID: I'm guessing they are local to the SW area and I think they must have sent a tape to someone and were invited to join in. Actually they played a pretty fair and extraordinarily laid-back version of Silver Machine at Walthamstow which they must have worked up in only 4 days - at least it didn't feature at Torquay! However they did announce that they have a single coming out soon so it might be worth checking the indie labels jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: HW: Walthamstow gig > Does anyone have any details about Bruise, the support band from > Walthamstow? > > --- > Kevin Perry > The Mountain Grill > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 17:04:30 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:04:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues Message-ID: Doesn't that make it harder for Mike Holmes to find? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jill Strobridge To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 26 November 2001 23:11 Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues I've developed the habit, now, whenever I go into a record store, of moving all the official Hawkwind CDs to the front of the bins and all the re-re-re-reissues to the back. I guess it doesn't make much difference but - hey - it's a gesture. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: HW: Simon House too right - and it's back in stock in these hallowed halls this week. Well, it may choke the band and it may choke you, but there's yet another reissue around............... This time it's a double CD which features the Hawkwind albums 'Friends And Relations-The Very Best Of' and 'Friends And Relations-The Rarities', repackaged as a double CD in a digipak sleeve with no inserts, no booklets, but on the inside back of each part of the cove, adverts for the other CD's and DVD's on the label and the label's own mail order. Price is ?9.99 for the double and, since we don't really approve or give a stuff about this, we have just 5 copies in stock. It says 'limited edition' on the cover, but we have no idea how limited, so could be here next week, could be gone next month, who knows. But there ya' go....around for those who like to keep the collection going, come what may. Oh, and Mike H, the cat number is CDM GRAM 152 Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Litchfield" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: HW: Simon House > > And this must be another good point to note that any HW fan who likes > Simon House's playing should make getting "Spiral Galaxy Revisited" an > absolute must - great reworkings and some good new stuff. > ____________________________________________________________________ > Steve Litchfield > Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 16:31:46 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:31:46 -0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 16:32:52 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:32:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Walthamstow gig - Bruise In-Reply-To: <004301c1784f$9764ce00$ce7187d9@jds> Message-ID: In message <004301c1784f$9764ce00$ce7187d9 at jds>, Jill Strobridge writes >I'm guessing they are local to the SW area and I think they must have >sent a tape to someone and were invited to join in. Actually they >played a pretty fair and extraordinarily laid-back version of Silver >Machine at Walthamstow which they must have worked up in only 4 days - No, they had that before and had sent it to HW, it was that which led to them being invited to do the support slots. (Info from Kris on IRC). -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 16:35:52 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:35:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 In-Reply-To: <200111282003.PAA15161@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200111282003.PAA15161 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >It's probably worth pointing out that 'Unlimited Edition' is a compilation >of outtakes (many instrumental) from about '69 to '75 Certainly was worth pointing it out, I didn't know that. Have to at least get that one then. -- Nick Medford From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Wed Nov 28 17:06:48 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:06:48 -0600 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 28 17:24:59 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:24:59 -0000 Subject: HW: QS&C Message-ID: far be it from me to criticise another retailer, because we all make mistakes, but THAT is just shabby - 'Warrior' and ''QS &C' in particular have been deleted for a long long time and they know it - a lot of web retailers do this now deliberately because all they want is your e.mail address and your musical taste (regardless of you not being a customer ) then they can do direct e.mails to you with new releases in that area feeling that they now have a captive audience - cynical!! - either that or they're just bad at changing web info. Andy G. (HOWEVER.......the only place you should be able to get 'Sonic Attack' is with us because, in theory, because we bought up all the last copies, so if you do want one, I think we have three or four left if you hurry but you'll have to e.mail moiracdser at aol.com as I'm away for a week from now.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moonglum ." To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: Re: HW: QS&C > I tried to order 3 HW cd's from White Rabbit, they were Warrior, Sonic > Attack and something else...not QS&C... Anyway I got an email back from > them saying they couldn't get their hands on *any* Hawkwind CD's very sorry > etc. etc.. > > Never mind being sorry, WHY LIST THINGS THAT YOU DON"T HAVE?! This is a > shabby practice that a lot of web retailers go in for, and it's one that I > particularly loathe. > > So I wouldn't bother with White Rabbit if I were you... > > Steve > > ------- > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 28 18:05:20 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:05:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: King Crimson in NYC Message-ID: if this is a CD ans anyone has a spare copy to sell, e.mail me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com but I'm now away for a week's vacation so wait for a reply. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. McCartney" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: OFF: King Crimson in NYC > There is also a only-at-the-shows EP available, Level Five, > all new stuff except for The Konstruction of Light, all > recorded live, but so very cleanly that it sounds like they > were recorded in the studio. > > > scorch From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 28 18:05:00 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:05:00 -0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: So Zaphod tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 28 18:11:59 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:11:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 Message-ID: You have to get 'Rite Time', the 'Live '72-'77' double CD that was witht he box set that is now deleted and the one called 'Can' or also 'Inner Space' witht eh spanner on the front if I remember as that gets criticised but it is surprisingly good for later period Can, but avoid 'Out Of Reach' at all costs. If yuo want one of the most Can-like Holger Czukay solo albums, then you have to get 'Good Morning Story' which we actually have in our sale offers catalogue right now (copies due to be published in a week for the baragain Xmas gifts, he said unashamedly) - and we had the new Club Off Chaos double CD (Liebezeit's electronic project's new ltd editon release) and that is realy far out stuff. Anyway, I ramble.....happy hunting. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 > In message <4e.26d3b6a.2935d631 at aol.com>, Chuck Rosenberg > writes > > >22.Can-- "The Empress and the Ukraine King" (Unlimited Edition; Mute/Spoon) > > Never heard this, or anything else after "Landed" (not counting the recent > live 70-75 retrospective, which is superb). Landed is pretty good, but the > conventional wisdom is that things went rapidly downhill thereafter. But- > since I'm aware that conventional wisdom is often a load of dingo's kidneys- > I'd be curious to read opinions on the later Can albums from those in the > know. My local CD emporium has a surprisingly complete Can section right > now and I'm thinking of taking some of it off their hands but I'm a bit wary > of the post-75 releases (already have everything from Monster Movie > through to Landed). Guidance please.... > -- > Nick Medford From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Wed Nov 28 18:09:48 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:09:48 -0600 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Zaphod? Not Ford? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 5:05 PM >>> So Zaphod tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 28 18:18:17 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:18:17 -0000 Subject: Off: Now who's exploiting their fan base Message-ID: Hey - how about this one - bet you're glad Hawkwind or their labels haven't thought of this idea....yet!!! Andy G ------------------------------------------ Press Release from earlier this week: The new Yes CD "Magnification" is due for release in the US on 4 December with a bonus 'live' disc. Three different versions of this bonus disc are available - one from each of three different outlets and only while stocks last. Purchase your copy of Magnification from the outlet store Borders - the bonus disc will include Close To The Edge (live from Masterworks tour) and Long Distance Runaround (live with orchestra). From Best Buy you will receive Ritual-Nous Sommes Du Soleil (live from Masterworks tour) plus Long Distance.. And at Transworld Gates Of Delirium (live from Masterworks tour) and Long Distance.. ------------------------------------ so to get all three ltd discs you have to get three copies of the same album on the same day from three different stores!!!!! Just when yuo thought you'd seen it all........ From nycademon at HOME.COM Wed Nov 28 18:29:10 2001 From: nycademon at HOME.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:29:10 -0700 Subject: Off: Now who's exploiting their fan base In-Reply-To: <016e01c17863$0d497d60$259abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: What, no special CD for Amazon orders?!? Bastards! :-) Guido -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:18 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Off: Now who's exploiting their fan base Hey - how about this one - bet you're glad Hawkwind or their labels haven't thought of this idea....yet!!! Andy G ------------------------------------------ Press Release from earlier this week: The new Yes CD "Magnification" is due for release in the US on 4 December with a bonus 'live' disc. Three different versions of this bonus disc are available - one from each of three different outlets and only while stocks last. Purchase your copy of Magnification from the outlet store Borders - the bonus disc will include Close To The Edge (live from Masterworks tour) and Long Distance Runaround (live with orchestra). From Best Buy you will receive Ritual-Nous Sommes Du Soleil (live from Masterworks tour) plus Long Distance.. And at Transworld Gates Of Delirium (live from Masterworks tour) and Long Distance.. ------------------------------------ so to get all three ltd discs you have to get three copies of the same album on the same day from three different stores!!!!! Just when yuo thought you'd seen it all........ From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Wed Nov 28 13:26:33 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:26:33 -0000 Subject: HW Tour: Briefly Message-ID: Regarding Rizz, Nick sez: >On balance I sort of like him. And he must have fairly sizeable balls to be >attempting the whole Rasta-psych crossover thing in the first place. True. Plus he is a nice guy, completely HW in attitude and personality. I wasn't always that keen on his musical contributions, but after Sara and I met and hung out with him a few times, my attitude and opinion changed..... J Stanton From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Wed Nov 28 23:56:35 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:56:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > Burnt Noodle (exceptional psych songs and instrumentals - CDS sell it now) > Cellular Structure (ex-Spacehead - synths and guitars, mostly synths -bit > like space-rockier Tim Blake - superb and in stock now) > Pharaoh Overlord (stoner rock - great stuff) > Lamp Of The Universe (sitars and guitars and stuff - very heady - better > than Saddar Bazaar though) When are you coming back from vacation? I'll probably want a few of these as well as possibly the new Alan Davey, Bedouin, and Brock Memos and Demos. Jerry From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 29 05:33:35 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:33:35 -0000 Subject: re; Hawklights Message-ID: you all forgot to mention that one of the roadies, Spacehead's Mr. Dibs, was also op-erating some spectacular projections with optikinetic gear form the side of the stage From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Nov 29 05:41:21 2001 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:41:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Asking for help from Germany Message-ID: hi folks, I've found a 100 Deutsche Mark bill at home, and realised the Euro reform will make it worthless in January. I can go to the bank and convert it to another currency, but you must admit it would be a lot more - eh, satisfying - to convert it to Hawkwind CD's..? So, is there some of you who is running a CD store or something, that is willing to sort this dilemma out? As a degenerated kompletist, I buy everything that I do not have. And I've not been up to date with the last few years entries in the Neverendning Remake/Reissue Story of Hawkwind. Especially my Yuri Gagarin kollektion looks pale today. I also got a Scottish one pound bill, but I think I keep it for nostalgic reasons. You're allowed to reply off list. peace and levitation, .joe From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 29 06:01:58 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:01:58 GMT Subject: A good souce for HW cds/lps?? In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > Gemm.com isn't a 'store', but rather a large consortium of other generally > independant-type mail order businesses that have all agreed to put their own > catalogs into the Gemm.com system in order to provide users a quick way of > searching for a particular item throughout many a business. > > But it's a fabulous device to have available and I wish that more dealers > that I commonly order from were part of it. Yep, these things are great. I've also been using Bibliofind.com (recently acquired by Yahoo?) to find out of print books with considerable success. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 29 06:06:09 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:09 GMT Subject: HW: Re: Re-issues In-Reply-To: dave hall's message of Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:04:30 -0000 Message-ID: dave hall writes: > Doesn't that make it harder for Mike Holmes to find? Actually my technique involves starting at the back and flicking more Cd's back as I go. I'm so used to seeing CD's of bands that start with "H" that I move about 2 CD's per second and only stop if I peripherally see something unexpected. peeve: when they pack the racks so tightly I have to remove 4 Cd's to make this work. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 29 06:06:36 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:06:36 GMT Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted In-Reply-To: Colin J Allen's message of Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:31:46 -0000 Message-ID: Colin J Allen writes: > Eddies in the space-time continuum. And I thought he's just gone to the loo. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 06:27:47 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:27:47 +0000 Subject: re; Hawklights Message-ID: Daniel Jackson wrote: > you all forgot to mention that one of the roadies, Spacehead's Mr. Dibs, was > also op-erating some spectacular projections with optikinetic gear form the > side of the stage Yeah, my favourite was the 20rpm one during Angels Of Death! and because he'd been good all day he was allowed to use 'the glass one' :-) In't dat right Daniel? Keef From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 07:19:57 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:19:57 +0000 Subject: ICU: INNER CITY UNIT XMAS GIG VENUE CHANGE Message-ID: Hello everyone, There has been a change in the arrangements for the ICU Christmas show. We are NOT playing Dingwalls on December 17. We ARE Playing: The Mean Fiddler (Formerly the LA2) on December 17. All discount flyers for the Dingwalls show will work at the new venue. The Mean Fiddler is a larger venue than Dingwalls. It is next door to the Astoria on Charring Cross Road. The larger size of this venue means we can pull out all the stops and put on a proper show, this will be an EVENT, we have been working on a new lightshow which hopefully will bring together Barney Bubble's original ideas for ICU with our ideas for the next ICU album. We are excited about this show, it marks the first big step for the band in a long time, we will NOT be treading water, Miss it at your peril. :) -Steve Pond. www.innercityunit.com From benfagin at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 10:07:08 2001 From: benfagin at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben Fagin) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:07:08 -0000 Subject: hw: Moorcock Books for sale Message-ID: Please email me offlist if interested LIST OF MICHAEL MOORCOCK MINT HARDBACKS FOR SALE Ben Fagin The Chinese Agent A cock robin mystery Macmillan 58579 King of the City blue cover Scribner UK The Dreamthiefs Daughter Simon & schuster The Revenge of the Rose Grafton 0 246 13734 7 The Dragon in the sword Ace Fantasy 0 441 16609 1 The Laughter of Carthage Secker & Warburg 0 436 28460 x Byzantium Endures 1981 Random House 0 394 51972 8 Elric at the end of time New Englsish Library 1984 0 450 06047 0 The fortress of the pearl Gollancz 1989 0 575 04515 9 The city in the autumn stars Grafton 1986 0 246 12843 7 The End of all songs 1976 Harper & row The hollow lands 1974 Harper & row The dancers at the end of time 1981 Granada The war hound & the worlds pain 1981 new english library 0 450 04912 4 The golden barge new english library 1979 0 450 06027 6 The chinese agent 1970 Hutchinson Legends from the end of time Millenium 1993 i 85798 043 3 The dragon in the sword 1987 Book club associates plus loads of free paperbacks ?100 for all the above or I can sell seperately A lot of these books are autographed From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Nov 29 10:19:09 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:19:09 -0600 Subject: OFF: BBC News | Dial up to name that tune Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_1681000/1681395.stm Thursday, 29 November, 2001, 08:34 GMT Dial up to name that tune Your mobile could be able to name that tune Ever heard a great song on the radio but failed to catch the name of the tune or artist? Then scientists at Philips' research labs have come up with a solution. Just hold your mobile phone near the radio for a few seconds and within minutes you'll receive a text message telling you the name of the song. The message will even give you the option of buying a CD of the music. The system, developed by scientists at the Dutch consumer giant's research centre in Eindhoven, works using a process called hashing. Unique codes Hashing is a cryptographic technique used by computers to check they have safely received a message. It works by comparing chunks of data and then creating codes unique to that message. The codes from the sent and received messages are checked to make sure they are identical. Philips researchers have adapted the technique to create a unique code for each song. Central store On hearing the song, you would dial a service provider and hold your mobile phone by the speaker for a few seconds. The computer system at the other end would then "hash" the music and compare the code generated with its database of tracks. Once it has found a match, a text message would be sent with the song title and artist. Philips is aiming to set up a central database of hash codes, covering 100,000 commercially available songs. The research is reported in New Scientist. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 14:19:38 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:19:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 In-Reply-To: <015301c17862$1585c160$259abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <015301c17862$1585c160$259abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >You have to get 'Rite Time', the 'Live '72-'77' double CD that was witht he >box set that is now deleted and the one called 'Can' or also 'Inner Space' >witht eh spanner on the front if I remember as that gets criticised but it >is surprisingly good for later period Can, but avoid 'Out Of Reach' at all >costs. Thanks for that. Re. the live double CD, I *think* I have this but would be grateful if someone could confirm it's the same thing. I bought it at a 2nd hand shop in London, it wasn't part of a box-set, it just came as a double CD in a blank case (no cover, no inserts, nothing). However on the label it says Can Box Item 1: Music (live 1971-1977) (NB: not 70-75 as I said in my last post). It's on Spoon records so I'm sure it's legit. Tracks are: CD1: Jynx/ Dizzy Dizzy/ Vernal Equinox /Fizz/ Yoo Doo Right/ Cascade Waltz CD2: Colchester Finale/ Kata Kong/ Spoon Is this the same thing that was part of the box-set? I assume it must be, and that for reasons unknown someone decided to flog it as a separate item to the second-hand shop, who then sold it on. The guy in the shop couldn't tell me anything about it (unusual eh...). Whatever it is, it's superb, possibly my favourite live recording aside from 'Space Ritual' and 'Kick Out the Jams'. -- Nick Medford From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 17:24:26 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:24:26 -0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Errrrmmm...maybe! Or Tillian maybe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Zaphod? Not Ford? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 5:05 PM >>> So Zaphod tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Thu Nov 29 17:32:09 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:32:09 -0600 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: All while sitting on a couch on a cricket field? In the presence of an SEP? Tillian? Was that her name? I think she was hanging out with Marvin at the time. >>> Colin J Allen 11/29 4:24 PM >>> Errrrmmm...maybe! Or Tillian maybe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Zaphod? Not Ford? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 5:05 PM >>> So Zaphod tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 29 17:38:50 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin J Allen) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:38:50 -0000 Subject: an Ozric tree has been planted Message-ID: Damn, I meant Trillian (I think). Hey, it is a long time since I read the books. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted All while sitting on a couch on a cricket field? In the presence of an SEP? Tillian? Was that her name? I think she was hanging out with Marvin at the time. >>> Colin J Allen 11/29 4:24 PM >>> Errrrmmm...maybe! Or Tillian maybe? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Zaphod? Not Ford? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 5:05 PM >>> So Zaphod tells me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted Oh, he is now? >>> Colin J Allen 11/28 3:31 PM >>> Eddies in the space-time continuum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: an Ozric tree has been planted On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:50:53AM -0000, Peter Wibrew wrote: > [...] the recent Ozric Tentacles gig > at the Standard in Walthamstow on 15/11/01 When did Walthamstow, of all places, become Space-rock Central? And why??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Thu Nov 29 18:31:15 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:31:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: Hi I always feel like a shameless self-publicist whenever I do this, but this is to let you know that Stafarer's Hawkwind Page has just been updated as follows: 1. New Haw-Kwin-Do page 2. New Hairy Arsed Hawkwind Fans page (BOC-L list members are on it) 3. New Camping at Canterbury page 4. 3 new T-shirt designs added 5. New or improved versions of photos on Photo Galleries 1 & 2 6. Canterbury flyer added to Canterbury gig page http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/index.html Thanks for the appreciative messages I've received from various people. If you cannot reach the site and see a message about it exceeding it's allocated data transfer, please retry an hour later. This is an irritating limitation imposed by the web hosting service which is beyond my control. Grrrr.... Steve From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 29 22:10:48 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:10:48 EST Subject: OFF: Can "Unlimited Edition" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/01 2:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > >It's probably worth pointing out that 'Unlimited Edition' is a compilation > >of outtakes (many instrumental) from about '69 to '75 > > Certainly was worth pointing it out, I didn't know that. Have to at least > get > that one then. > -- > Nick Medford Yeah, I highly recommend it for someone hardcore into early Can. Exclusive tracks, some of Damo and Malcom's best moments w/the group, some bizarre cut-up stuff, weird instrumentals...lots of those Ethnological Forgery things...not _all_ great, but worth it for the good parts... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 29 22:13:55 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:13:55 EST Subject: OFF: Can Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/01 4:01:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > If yuo want one of the most Can-like Holger Czukay solo albums, then you > have to get 'Good Morning Story' which we actually have in our sale offers > catalogue right now (copies due to be published in a week for the baragain Andy and friends, what's your opinion of Czukay's "Canaxis"?? thanks, Chuck From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 30 04:28:05 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:28:05 -0000 Subject: More Kylie Message-ID: rtsp://video.sat1.de/ondemand/blitz/kylieminoguevideo_gr2.rm You'll need decent bandwidth... From Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 30 04:34:54 2001 From: Djsatan.23 at BTINTERNET.COM (Daniel Jackson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:34:54 -0000 Subject: off:BADAM Message-ID: aany of you with lingering grievances over this, the e-mail address is clive.leighton at public-i.org.uk public-i is his new business name, not bad for a supposed bankrupt. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 30 04:40:01 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:40:01 -0000 Subject: More Kylie Message-ID: Apologies for that - meant to go to someone completely different... It's fun though anyway :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Perry" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: More Kylie > rtsp://video.sat1.de/ondemand/blitz/kylieminoguevideo_gr2.rm > > You'll need decent bandwidth... From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Nov 30 05:10:07 2001 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:10:07 +0100 Subject: George Harrison R.I.P. Message-ID: George Harrison died yesterday, aged 58... ketil, norway From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 30 07:43:05 2001 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:43:05 +0000 Subject: HW : LPīs for sale Message-ID: Hi! I?m forced to sell a few of my LP`s. HW: Space Ritual 2 lp Japanese with poster + booklet Michael Moorcock : New World?s Fair All Good Clean Fun : various artists ,2lp with HW playing Be Yourself + Amon Duul 2, Man, etc Inner City Unit : New Anatomy, President Tapes, Blood & Bone EP, Bids please, e-mail me privately Juba _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Fri Nov 30 08:12:00 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:12:00 +0000 Subject: OFF:Re: George Harrison R.I.P. Message-ID: George's death is very sad. As a fellow scouser, I just wonder how the media will treat this in comparison to John Lennon's death a few years ago. George was obviously not as high profile as John and didn't contribute quite as many songs to the world. However, he did live most of his post Beatles life with a dignity that JL probably would not have even recognised. I just wonder how much that attack in his home a couple of years ago contributed to the accelerated decline of his health. Coincidentally, it was reported recently in our local press that his attacker, Michael Abram, may potentially be released very soon - usual stories of how society and the medical system have failed him. Knowing the background it is another case of a person and their close community looking to blame everybody else for something that they, themselves, are responsible for. George's death demonstrates that society and the medical system will still fail you eventually, no matter how much money you have. Respect, Mark From michael_b_1968 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 30 08:20:20 2001 From: michael_b_1968 at HOTMAIL.COM (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:20:20 +0000 Subject: George Harrison R.I.P. Message-ID: But his spirit lives on for eternity.... May the life of this great man remind us... http://www.krsnabook.com/ Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare Hare Rama, Hare Rama Rama Rama, Hare Hare >From: Ketil Svendsen >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: George Harrison R.I.P. >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:10:07 +0100 > >George Harrison died yesterday, aged 58... > >ketil, >norway _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri Nov 30 11:01:05 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:01:05 +0000 Subject: ICU: The Inner City Unit Christmas show gets better.. Message-ID: Here's the latest from Inner City Unit. The ICU Xmas show 2001 is getting better & better, The line-up is now: *Inner City Unit. Very Special Guests: * David Devant & His Spirit Wife. DJ Sets from: *Uncle Bobs Wedding reception Plus one more support act yet to be confirmed. This is going to be a great night, whilst unknown to the majority of Hawk fans, Devant are one of the best live acts I`ve ever seen, they have 2 albums out both of which are highly recommended in a non space-rock kind of way! :) Remember The Christmas show has changed venue to: The Mean Fiddler (formerly the LA2) Charring Cross Road London W.1. All done by kindness. -Steve From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Nov 30 12:18:23 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:18:23 -0500 Subject: ICU: The Inner City Unit Christmas show gets better.. Message-ID: David Devant and His Spirit Wife remind me of Jackie Leven's band Doll By Doll, with a touch of the Kinks thrown in. There's something anout them, they have a kind of typical English whimsy. (Jackie Leven would probably bristle at that as I think he's a Celt!) Definitely not space rock, but interesting... IIRC David Devant was a 19th century conjurer who claimed to have a Spirit Wife as part of his stage act... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:01:05 +0000, Steve Pond wrote: <> >Very Special Guests: > >* David Devant & His Spirit Wife. > > >This is going to be a great night, whilst unknown to the majority of Hawk >fans, Devant are one of the best live acts I`ve ever seen, they have 2 >albums out both of which are highly recommended in a non space-rock kind >of way! :) From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Fri Nov 30 13:16:28 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:16:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Can Live 71-77 Message-ID: >Can Box Item 1: Music (live 1971-1977) >it's superb, possibly my favourite live recording aside from >'Space Ritual' and 'Kick Out the Jams'. I'll second that, it's up there with Space Ritual and Magma Live (Hhai) - yes I'm a Magma fan, though not a REAL Magma fan, as I only have 4 versions of Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh in my library... Stephan From mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM Tue Nov 6 08:12:50 2001 From: mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:12:50 -0000 Subject: LCommemorative Guitar Picks In-Reply-To: <4783670.1036587206658.JavaMail.root@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Can't even get the image fine enough to check 'em out, sounds like a "commemorative" rather than official... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rich Warren Sent: 06 November 2002 12:53 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: LCommemorative Guitar Picks Anyone know anything about these: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=919137646 It's the first time I've ever seen them. Rich W From mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM Tue Nov 6 09:49:34 2001 From: mlee at SPECTRO-GRAPHIC.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:49:34 -0000 Subject: LCommemorative Guitar Picks In-Reply-To: <200211061444.JAA19722@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: So it Does... I wonder who they asked for permission to reproduce the album cover artwork would be my next question... -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Steve Youles Sent: 06 November 2002 14:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: LCommemorative Guitar Picks scroll down, there's a larger image at the bottom of the page. imho they look rather nice but 18 quid?! Steve ----------------------- Mark (Hasbeen) ----- End Message -----