From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jan 1 08:46:39 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:46:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Star Nation In-Reply-To: <001b01c06d0b$69de0640$324b893e@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, david hall wrote: > Excellent stuff this. I hope the new Hawkwind output catches some of its energy. I'd started to quite like it by the time I'd played it five times, but it's still, well, not great. There is a lot of energy, and `Coup Sticks' would probably be very good in a good studio, but it didn't get one. I get the feeling that it's all been squeezed into a muffled container slightltyy too small for it. I'd like to hear it on a really good stereo and see if it comes out there. I know they warned us it wasn't all it might be but given the money I paid for it [1] I'm still kind of disappointed. Mind you, it's more interesting than most of _Spacebrock_. Gloomy beggar inneye, yours, Jon [1] Just to ward off flames, I have done the sums, and though I don't know what CDS's cut was even if it was minuscule the income Jerry and Richard are getting from this probably doesn't cover a month of my rent each. I do appreciate that they're not raking it in, but that just raises the question in my mind, why didn't they make more? -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 1 09:20:26 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:20:26 +0800 Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!) Message-ID: Bernhard said: > Hi folks > > Here is the tracklist in the right order. > The giglength was exact 115 minutes. > > I enjoyed every minute! > OK, here is now the tracklist: > intro > levitation > hippie > spacebrock > space is deep > flying doctor > warriors > angels of death > high rise > damage of life > lighthouse > sonic attac > free fall > motorway city > hurry on sundown > spirit of the age > hassan i sahba > > cheers > Bernhard > Everyone who went to the Astoria gig has had a good report. I really hope this comes out on cd soon. That is a collection of some great HW songs. Cheers Bill From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Jan 1 09:30:12 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:30:12 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: I am seriously disappointed that I missed the show. Flight was delayed 3 hours out of Atlanta, causing me to miss the connecting flight out of New York, which brought me to London on the morning of the 30th. Can't express the disappointment enough. Anyhow, hope everyone that did make it had a great time, and that someone could assist me on how I could get a T-shirt perhaps? The set list looks like it was a show not to be missed. Other than that, Happy New Year, and I look forward to making it to the next gig. Anyone else still in London? I leave on the 3rd. Regards, Tom --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Petronet WebMail. Visit us online at http://www.petronet.net/ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 1 10:04:27 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:04:27 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: Bad luck on missing the show. I only just managed to get there in time! There were some t-shirts on sale (though not the competition winners I think). I didn't have time to pick one up but hopefully one of the Hawkwind outlets will have them available at some point. If you phone the Eccleston Hotel (now the Quality Hotel, Westminster) you should find some folk still there. Address is 82-83 Eccleston Square but I don't seem to have the phone number available just at the moment. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria > I am seriously disappointed that I missed the show. Flight was delayed 3 hours > out of Atlanta, causing me to miss the connecting flight out of New York, which > brought me to London on the morning of the 30th. Can't express the > disappointment enough. > > Anyhow, hope everyone that did make it had a great time, and that someone could > assist me on how I could get a T-shirt perhaps? The set list looks like it was > a show not to be missed. > > Other than that, Happy New Year, and I look forward to making it to the next > gig. > > Anyone else still in London? I leave on the 3rd. > > Regards, > > > Tom > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using Petronet WebMail. > Visit us online at http://www.petronet.net/ > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Jan 1 10:46:36 2001 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:46:36 +0100 Subject: HW:The plunder of the Astoria Message-ID: Hello all, must say the merchandising at the Astoria was excellent (not for my wallet though). Nice we could buy with Visa (although my wife woun't like it,seems like I'm in for a whole week with vision but no sound after the account comes in,but that's life) Anyway that's what I've bought if anyone's interested: -The Hawkwind t-shirt -The excellent poster -some booklets from Hawkfrendz -very interesting book congratulating M.Moorcock with his 60th birthday (with contributions from Dave,Nik,lemmy etc.) -the Griffin box from M.Moorcock's "New World Fair" (still looking for the "Astounding"box,anyone??) -HAWKWIND:Live Chronicles (Griffin one) -STARFIELD:Return To Earth(good one) -HAWKWIND:Out & Intake (Griffin one) -HAWKWIND:Atomhenge 76 (haven't heard it yet) -MAZLYN JONES & NIK TURNER:live(haven't heard it yet) -HAWKWIND:Zones (Griffin) -SPACEHEAD:In Space We Trust...live '95-'98 -SPACEHEAD:Escape Velocity Preview -PARADOGS:(is this one called "Paradogs" or "Foul Play At The Earth Lab"??) -HAWKWIND:Family Tree -TIM BLAKE:Magick -DAVE BROCK:Spacebrock -HUGH LLOYD LANGTON:Elegy -HUGH LLOYD LANGTON:River Run -HUGH LLOYD LANGTON:On The Move -HUGH LLOYD LANGTON:Chain Reaction -The Hawkwind "Festivals" video who has some interesting fact as "Palestine,Space Is There" in Gwent,july 1996 is actually in GENT (my hometown) and I've filmed it!!!!! (with permission from Dave Brock).So seemes like I'm an official Hawkwind filmer now. When are the fees coming in Dave??? ;-)))) No,I'm feeling very privalidge,you found it good enough to include! I will certainly relies it with the other stuff you already send/gave me. greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 1 14:06:53 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:06:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Remember your honey! In-Reply-To: Karen Kusic's message of Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:20:11 -0600 Message-ID: > Diamond also offered the following, more conventional, tips to avoid the > consequences of overindulgence: > > -- Drink in moderation. > > -- Pace yourself: don't ingest drinks too quickly, and don't skip meals. Hmmm, failed on all of those really. Unfortunately even the smell of the burgers on sale at the Astoria was pretty unappetising. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 1 14:10:48 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:10:48 GMT Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future! In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:07:33 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > And all best wishes for 2001. May it be a good one. > (At least there is a space station up there) Two, for at least another few days... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 1 14:13:49 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:13:49 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:22:19 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hiya folks, > > Thanks to everyone whom I met and got a chance to hang > out with: > You folks made all the hassle worthwhile. Thanks for organising the accommodation and party. Everyone had a good time. It was great to meet all you folks again and thanks to the band & co for putting together a great gig. Hope we can do it all again soon... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 1 14:15:21 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:15:21 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!) In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:53:55 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > intro > levitation > hippie > spacebrock > space is deep > flying doctor > warriors Wasn't this more "Warrior at the end of Time"? > angels of death > high rise > damage of life > lighthouse > sonic attac > free fall > motorway city > hurry on sundown > spirit of the age > hassan i sahba Hassan was segued with "Space is Their Palestine". Cheers FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 1 14:17:17 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:17:17 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:04:27 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Bad luck on missing the show. I only just managed to get there in > time! There were some t-shirts on sale (though not the > competition winners I think). I didn't have time to pick one up > but hopefully one of the Hawkwind outlets will have them available > at some point. > > If you phone the Eccleston Hotel (now the Quality Hotel, > Westminster) you should find some folk still there. Address is > 82-83 Eccleston Square but I don't seem to have the phone number > available just at the moment. It's 02078-348042 FoFP From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jan 1 14:55:08 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:55:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Arthur C. Clarke reflects on his life and times Message-ID: TIME ASIA WEB-ONLY EXCLUSIVE Millennium Man Arthur C. Clarke reflects on his life and times By MICHAEL FATHERS December 28, 2000 http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/interviews/2000/12/28/clarke.html At times he calls it his trophy room. Other times it's his ego room. Wherever you turn there are plaques recording all the momentous events in man's brief exploration of space, autographed photographs of him with all the leading space and scientific players, not to mention Presidents, Prime Ministers and film stars. There's even a photograph taken with the Pope (although he says he hates religion and despises Christianity). There are brightly colored satellite and space probe photographs of the planets, and a molded relief map of the section of the moon where man's first landing took place. And on one wall -- from floor to ceiling -- is a bookshelf with all his published works. At one end of the room is an enormous flat screen TV set where he gets his regular fix of world news. At the other end is Sir Arthur C. Clarke, self-entitled science Fact and Fiction Writer, futurologist, stargazer, impish questioner of established scientific wisdom and probably the world's best known space addict. The celebrated coauthor of Hollywood's famous and influential 1968 sci-fi movie -- 2001: A Space Odyssey -- sits in a wheelchair, dressed in a sarong and a brightly patterned cotton shirt covered with whales. Close to his chest under the folds of his shirt rests his pet, a guinea pig- sized Chihuahua called Pepsi, surprisingly calm amid the surrounding disturbance. Clarke is agitated, rustling through papers on his desk, looking for copies of letters and e-mails, articles he has written, and calling with frustration for one of his absent secretaries. He wheezes and stops to breath deeply, blowing out hard to try to keep calm. He puts his difficulties down to post-Polio Syndrome, the disease that has left him crippled in the legs since the 1980s. He is cantankerous and apologizes for being inhospitable. For the past month Clarke has been giving interview after interview to the world's media. They have come to his home in central Colombo, Sri Lanka, to find the future -- or at least a hint of it - from the one human being whose name is synonymous with the year 2001 and the Third Millennium. He also happens to believe that the millennium begins on January 1, 2001 -- and not January 1, 2000 as the rest of the world did when it sat goggle-eyed through 24 hours of global countdown a year ago. "The idea of the millennium at 2000 is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard," he says. "The western calendar starts with Year One and not Year Zero. We had only 99 years of this century by Jan. 1, 2000; we have to wait until Dec. 31 for the full hundred." As you ask your questions Clarke snaps back: I've dealt with them all over the past two weeks and I'm not answering them again. I'll get my secretary to give you the answers." Thank you, Sir Arthur, you feel like saying and walking out the door for a bit of fresh air never to set eyes on him again. But then an alarm goes off in the room. "Ah!" he sparkles, "I must get my news fix." He rolls out from behind his desk to watch the big screen and the morning's BBC World Service News. Clarke is a man of moods. Once he is into his routine -- his news fix, the morning cup of tea, a secretary at hand, attentive listeners with him in his tropical garden (populated with a concrete dinosaur and couple of prehistoric cement lizards) - he opens up. He might get fed up having to answer the same questions, but he thrives on publicity and attention. He even hands you a detailed list of everything he is working on. At the top under "Completed" is: Future Technology White House memo requested for the President). amid the 17 "Action Needed" items is: Arthur C. Clarke Day (Smithsonian, Feb 7) and a webcast in March with actor Leonardo di Caprio to raise money for a fund to save the gorilla. Darting like a child in a toy shop, Clarke races from topic to topic, names, places, incidents and ideas tumbling from him in a stream of consciousness that would leave James Joyce and probably HAL, the talking computer he invented to fly the spaceship Discovery in 2001, gasping. Clarke has a mischievous sense of humor and you are not sure whether he is pulling your leg. He said to me that one of the most spectacular developments of the new millennium would be dehydrated water. It would open up all the world's arid regions to cultivation and ensure no one ever died of thirst. His "executive secretary" said he did not know whether Sir Arthur was serious or making a joke. It seemed a contradiction. Clarke has said all along that there is no difference between magic and science. With such intellectual and imaginative missiles being fired at visitors and his e-mail recipients daily, it is difficult to believe this icon of science fiction, who believes the human race has only a 51% chance of surviving, turned 83 on Dec. 16. After a moment's thought to my question, he says all he wants for a birthday present is a chocolate cake. He is not a person to look back, but there is a hint of bitterness that he was unable to benefit financially from his most important and memorable invention -- the concept of the geostationary communications satellite. He formulated its principles and published them in 1945 at the age of 28. That satellite band, 42,000km above the earth is called the Clarke Orbit. Whenever he meets Ted Turner, the founder of CNN, he asks for his 10%. He says he asks the same from Rupert Murdoch. When you ask him if he is a rich man -- he has some 600 printed works, 50 million devoted readers, two movies and a virtual Arthur C. Clarke industry on his PC screen -- he says he doesn't know. "As you can gather my expenses are rather considerable." Then the future of the world comes up, he makes a point of saying he never predicts. "I am an extrapolator not a predictor. Many of the things I describe I sincerely hope wont happen. And by describing them, I hope I can prevent them happening. I don't try to describe the future I try to prevent it," he says. And of his own future? "I will go when the candle stops burning." He has not considered leaving his body or his bodily organs for scientific research. Too much of a hassle, is the reply. He has lost four hairs from his near-bald head to a rich well-wisher who wants to send this DNA sample into outer space with hair from other prominent humans. He's not bothered by God. Describing himself as "violently antireligious," he says religion is the greatest curse ever inflicted on mankind and will cease to exist in the new millennium. Already he's been listed over two pages in a new humanists and freethinkers directory: Who's Who in Hell. There must be something you will regret? I ask him. "There is. I've left it too late to learn the piano." SEE ALSO Q&A: Greeting the future with Arthur C. Clarke http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/1225/int_clarke.html From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Mon Jan 1 15:40:41 2001 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:40:41 -0800 Subject: HW:The plunder of the Astoria Message-ID: hi filip > -the Griffin box from M.Moorcock's "New World Fair" > (still looking for the "Astounding"box,anyone??) when i first got into the astoria it was on the michael moorcock stall at the hawkwind gig along with the boxed version of "quark strangness and charm" was going to buy both myself but the guy in front of me got to them first. :-( Hey filip i know of one cd stockist in the US that still has the astounding box set, i've ordered which my friend in arkansas is bringing over for me. To save on import taxes and stuff. Try www.alphacraze.com i think thats what they are called. i think its going for around 30 dollars cheers colm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jan 1 17:58:56 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:58:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <200101011917.TAA07542@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Astoria : :Jill Strobridge writes: : :> Bad luck on missing the show. I only just managed to get there in :> time! There were some t-shirts on sale (though not the :> competition winners I think). I didn't have time to pick one up :> but hopefully one of the Hawkwind outlets will have them available :> at some point. :> :> If you phone the Eccleston Hotel (now the Quality Hotel, :> Westminster) you should find some folk still there. Address is :> 82-83 Eccleston Square but I don't seem to have the phone number :> available just at the moment. : :It's 02078-348042 Specifically, there are two folks left (robert jacobs and eric siegerman.) rooms 322 and 211 respectively. Arin (newly arrived home.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jan 1 18:15:34 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:15:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia In-Reply-To: <000a01c06cca$437c7f40$077479d5@a> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Rich Warren wrote: :Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia : :Apparently Astralasia and Banco de Gaia are Playing Whirligig on New Years Eve! So did anyone end up going to this? Was it good? I was way, way too dead to make it. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jan 1 18:58:25 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:58:25 -0600 Subject: HW: Arin !! In-Reply-To: <3A4EC128.8B320B96@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Dave Greenhalgh wrote: :Subject: HW: Arin !! : :Well done Arin! Definitely a triumph. *blush* :How Arin managed to pull all that together I do not know. Good hotel at :a ridiculously good rate and a superb after party party (My birthday) :party. Full :marks to the genie of the lamp for the in hotel light show that must :have left the Astoria feeling silly as well. It was definitely a great :way to wind down after the gig and the after gig do at the 12 bar. :Managing to keep everyone, including most of the band, awake relaxed and :thoroughly enjoying themselves till 4am is testament enough., I think. next time, I organize further in advance, so we can get details right...(I felt very unorganized, believe it or not.) Made a couple of major oopses that various folks helped me fix. (That's what I get for trying to organize something at the last minute, while trying to finish up work and things.) imho, I didn't do the job I was capable of....next time better, I promise! genies of the lamp were Steve Lindsey and Eric Siegerman, who did a great job, given the .... somewhat basic equipment. :Once again, it was great to put names to faces and re-establish contacts :with those already known. Absolutely. The experience of going and hanging out with fellows fans pre/during/post gig, rocked, imho. Something that I think that I'd like to do again. :I'll leave it to others to describe the gig. Bloody good is all I'll :say and well worth the nightmare of Virgin Trains to get to (4 hours :late and not even arriving at the right city.) Good to see a longer :Simon-set and as always wonderful to watch Tim. Even the singer at the :12 Bar was nice. Who were the Techno-duo that opened? Simon's set was good, and Tim was superb....much better than at Brixton. (imho, I rather liked having Simon close at Brixton....excellent music to mellow out to.) Morphonic was the techno guys....I think. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 1 19:47:13 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:47:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Star Nation Message-ID: err.......well, I'd done this long piece on the 'history' of the Star Nation project but on just checking, I've put the wron g copy of December news on my website and deleted the one with the Star Nation piece. In brief then, CD Services were asked to do it - we did it - they rejected it - they did it themselves - they sold it to us - we made our normal mark-up (same as for all items and same as most indie mail order operations), based on their cost price to us, no more, no less (and you also have to allow for the fact that we are VAT registered and they are not) and that was why the price was what it was. Our idea, of which two copies were manufactured - the band has one and we have the other (collectors among you can drool now) - was their artwork (different from what appeared in the end) along with some extra bits from Dave Barker, the guy manufacturing it, on a pic disc CD in a jewelcase, but even though we rated Dave's work, expensive though it was (hence the original price) it wasn't ultimately what the band wanted so they did it themselves. As far as I am aware the band put a lot into this and are trying to recoup that and also as much as they can to finance a full album, and despite the prices they and CD Services were charging, I'm sure you can all sympathise with this aim. Also they said it would be limited to 200 only and that probably justifies it also. Musically, I love it, I have to say. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: Re: HW: Star Nation > [1] Just to ward off flames, I have done the sums, and though I don't know > what CDS's cut was even if it was minuscule the income Jerry and Richard > are getting from this probably doesn't cover a month of my rent each. I do > appreciate that they're not raking it in, but that just raises the > question in my mind, why didn't they make more? > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From slindsey at IDIRECT.COM Mon Jan 1 23:55:23 2001 From: slindsey at IDIRECT.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:55:23 -0800 Subject: HW: Oh baby what a party.... Message-ID: Happy New Year everyone, Many, many thanks to the band, all of you lovely people for being as crazy as I am, and especially to Arin for putting together the hotel thing. I think thats a night we shall never forget ! Memories, ummmm None (sp?) for greeting me by name when I was expecting god knows what kind of hassle in picking up my passport. I can't think that things could possibly have been smoother in terms of figuring out where we were supposed to get to (and this is Hawkwind - organisation ? efficiency ? I must be dreaming ??) Most would have missed a hilarious adventure that Kieth & I (who was wearing the assassin outfit complete with deaths head mask) and two people from Chicago whose names I forget, had getting from the first party to the second, stuck in a taxi with a driver who probably knew Nairobi better than London, we had to resort to stopping to ask passers-by for directions. Of course we'd all forgotten that Kieth looked like, well you know, death ! We got some totally astonished looks. (Scuse me mate do you know well Belgrave Rd is ? - Uh sure just don't kill me.....) Those lovely people from Sheffield who have spectacular culinary abilities ;-) Sound was great at the gig, Flying Doctor was just great, really gritty without the slightly silly boinging sounds on the original. Damage of Life was brilliant, just flying. It was interesting hearing a more technical player on the woodwind (though I think Niks playing has been much improved in the 90's) Is that the first time anyone other than Nick has done reeds ? Yes and Hurry On did seem to get even better, more bluesy ? Getting to help give out Hawkwind Christmas cake ! Being asked if I was in the band at the after gig party by some, mmmm, nymphettes ? Jeez why did Mum & Dad raise me to be such an honest lad. A car pulling over and Huw leaning out the window to ask for directions..... Oh and I hope those pictures come out (someone pleez send me some), Mike says "Go stand over there.." - I swear. Kind of ended being Arin (kudos of course there), the band and me. So I just want to get this straight so we've got the story right for later, can I get labelled as an extra keyboard player ??? please ??? Noone will know ???? Glad Eric S. thought to get me to bring the transparencies over, chilling out at the hotel was just excellent, I think we all had glowing auras about ten feet in diameter. General Chaos Visuals is the name of our little lighting side project. And even though all the gears over here in Toronto, I'm happy to help for future extravaganzas if I can. The lads at the show didn't have too much gear and had been told to keep it simple they said (plus they had no idea what the setlist was, poor buggers). Great record shopping on Saturday after breakfast at Hall of the Mountain Grill. Apologies that I was doing a good impression of a zombie til I got some coffee in me. Got the holy grail of Faust albums, So Far. And a wonderful live CD (76-8) of the Here & Now band, just released, urge you all to get it, worth it for the accompanying booklet on the Free festival scene of the mid seventies. Makes you appreciate the idealism of dedicated musicians Side job. Assistant security ! Helped break up the brief fight (wierd, at the start of Sonic Attack, "Do Not Panic", "Do Not Panic".) No idea what that was about, someone said someone was yelling at Ron ? maybe that has something to do with it ? And helping to clear out the comatose at the end of the party (sorry if that was you asleep under the table ....) Cheers to all, May God Bless Us Everyone ! All the best for 2001, may fortune bring us more wonderful nights such as this, Steve Lindsey PS If anyone found a watch at the end of the gig ? From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue Jan 2 04:48:52 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:48:52 -0700 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: <3A48C724.A396E7FB@petronet.net> Message-ID: To Hawkwind: Please Please PLEASE use Gary and Anna's CD cover artwork! (TRANSLATION: Please Please PLEASE release this show on CD!) My first Hawkwind show was in San Francisco 1989. That was a phenomenal show, and was my absolute favorite. Until now. The Astoria has just taken its place. Perfect! Wonderful! Amazing! Crystal-clear sound, inspired performances, the band in great spirits, everything just perfect. Wow. KevinSommers From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Tue Jan 2 06:40:10 2001 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:40:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: Darn, lost the original questioners details, but the question was what were the planned 'encore' tracks for the Astoria, I looked at the set-list and noted that the first was Orgone Accumulator, can't remember the second one now... The reason the encore was missed was the timings at the Astoria, they have a very strict curfew due to the later use of the place as a nightclub. This also explains why people were herded out like cattle to some extent. The support acts did run over by 15 minutes or so but Dibs made that time back by cutting his set with Spacehead, it seemed to me that Hawks paused occasionally between tracks longer than intended and one or two tracks ran longer than planned due to the amount of fun the guys were having on stage. For my part it was a dream come true, the sound quality was excellent out front and pretty good on the stage too. Mark (Hasbeen). From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Jan 2 07:30:15 2001 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (Cosmos Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:30:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F7103C0AF@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: >Darn, > >lost the original questioners details, but the >question was what were the planned 'encore' >tracks for the Astoria, I looked at the set-list >and noted that the first was Orgone Accumulator, >can't remember the second one now... the second one was born to go andre >The reason the encore was missed was the timings >at the Astoria, they have a very strict curfew >due to the later use of the place as a nightclub. >This also explains why people were herded out >like cattle to some extent. The support acts did >run over by 15 minutes or so but Dibs made that >time back by cutting his set with Spacehead, it >seemed to me that Hawks paused occasionally between >tracks longer than intended and one or two tracks >ran longer than planned due to the amount of fun >the guys were having on stage. > >For my part it was a dream come true, the sound >quality was excellent out front and pretty good >on the stage too. > >Mark (Hasbeen). From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 2 08:09:56 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:09:56 EDT Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!) In-Reply-To: <000f01c072a1$56b24a40$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: On 30 Dec 00, at 20:44, Si Halley wrote: > Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!) The band did not play an encore > > because the power was swiched off by the Astoria officials (You will > > not believe me what the reason was.........) > > Because of the Gay club that starts at 11pm? What's wrong with being happy? N. Tufnel... From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK Tue Jan 2 11:04:13 2001 From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:04:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: Arin, Thanks very much for all the arrangements and did the room and everything get sorted out ok in the end ???? i.e. if you are out of pocket I would like to contribute. Also did your star get back ok ? Julie & Merrick French From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Jan 2 11:33:54 2001 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:33:54 -0700 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma interview Message-ID: http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/buckdharmaint.htm Check out this Buck interview, new for 2001. Rock out, Brad From denis at D-RIDER.DE Tue Jan 2 12:15:08 2001 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:15:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria gig Message-ID: Hi, this must have been the greatest weekend in my life so far (taking over the pole position from the Brixton one), although we (my sis & me) spent a lot of it on various airports (thanks to the London weather and computer failures of the booking-system). The first people we met when we arrived (on 28th) at the hotel were Tim Blake and Arin sitting in the foyer. After we checked in and brought our stuff to the room we joined them and during the remainder of the evening we were chatting about a lot of different things (storms in Brittany, winters in Chicago, Tim's new album etc.p.p.). Later Eric Siegerman, Rob Jacobson and another very nice US guy from New Mexico (whose name escapes me right now) joined us and we talked on until 2. The next day we all (plus Filip & the French's) went to the Angel (it's a _lot_ smaller than the Beehive), where we were joined by a couple of other fans, and then to the Astoria. Standing in line there was very reminscent to the Brixton gig, as there was a lot of confusion about which queue was the passport one. The security people were very funny indeed with their inferiority complex induced behaviour to let us know how important they are. As we waited in line we met some other cool people such as Bernhard, Andreas and Adrian Parr. From all the openers IMO Tim was the best (which isn't a very objective statement, as I'm a great Tim Blake fan). The HW-gig itself was fabulous, the sound was great and this time I could even _see_ the band (unlike Brixton). There were a lot of good songs (as others have already pointed out), but Flying Doctor, Free Fall and Damage of Life were the best IMO. We hotel-people didn't stay too long at the official after-show-party but went back to the hotel instead. There the after? party, organized by Arin (thanks a lot, you've done a great job!), took place. After a short while the band was turning up too and the rest of the evening was a very cool thing. Meeting all the Hawks and having the chance to chat with them was great; they are all very friendly persons, without any bad rock-star attitudes. The atmosphere of the evening was very relaxed and I hope all the pictures I've taken will become good. Thanks to the band for such a great gig, the party and the friendliness in general! Thank's especially to Tim Blake for the interesting talk Thursday evening! Thanks of course to Arin for all the organization work and Rob, Eric & Steve for the party light-show! Thanks & hi to everyone else we've met (Filip, Bernhard, Andreas, Thomas, Merick & Julie, FoFP, Jill, the US-boys, Steve, linuxchaos, Keith and everyone else I've forgotten)! happy new year & (c)IAO D+R From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 2 13:20:09 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:20:09 -0600 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <200101021604.QAA07017@cedar.dcs.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Merrick Martin French wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Astoria : :Arin, : :Thanks very much for all the arrangements and did the room and everything get :sorted out ok in the end ???? i.e. if you are out of pocket I would like to :contribute. I'm a bit out of pocket, but Kris said the band would cover ;-) (just need to recoup from her.) :Also did your star get back ok ? slightly squashed, I'm afraid. Virgin Atlantic only allows one carryon, so I had to carry it in my backpack, which just wasn't an ideal environment. Nevertheless, it is mostly unsquashed, and now hanging in my living room. Thanks much for it! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 2 13:29:17 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:29:17 -0000 Subject: Happy New Year! Message-ID: Happy New Year All! Managed to get to the Gig After 4 Hour Delay(Don't get me Started about Virgin) But managed to catch Tims Set which was better than average I think, probably 60-40 rather than 50-50. Got my Passport on the door (Thank You ;-), and the gig was great, Highlights definately 'Flying Doctor', 'Damage of Life' and 'Hurry on Sundown'. Made it back to the hotel then promptly crashed out and didn't wake up til morning :-( Thus missing the party at the hotel, sounds like you had a great time, but the12 hours travelling got the better of me. Anyone else go to Whirl-y-gig? I made it to the Whirl-y-gig allnighter though, managing to see Astralasia, and Banco de Gaia on the same bill........wow. Banco De Gaia into the new year. Whirlygig Omygod. Happy! Happy! Happy! Rich W From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 2 13:53:49 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:53:49 -0000 Subject: Encore Message-ID: Just to put the record straight, the encore was to have been Born to Go followed by/segued into Orgone Accumulator. Hello and Happy New Year to all the people who enjoyed Astoria. It was certainly enjoyable on stage. Thanks also to the people who bought or complemented me on the Starfield CD's (whoever you are). For my part, I thought Ron Tree was excellent. Who else could have sung Flying Doctor, High Rise and Spirit of the Age? And to those people that knock him, wasn't there some flak in 1976 when Bob re-joined the band and everybody wanted to hear Dave Brock doing vocals again? Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Lee To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: HW: Astoria > Darn, > > lost the original questioners details, but the > question was what were the planned 'encore' > tracks for the Astoria, I looked at the set-list > and noted that the first was Orgone Accumulator, > can't remember the second one now... > > The reason the encore was missed was the timings > at the Astoria, they have a very strict curfew > due to the later use of the place as a nightclub. > This also explains why people were herded out > like cattle to some extent. The support acts did > run over by 15 minutes or so but Dibs made that > time back by cutting his set with Spacehead, it > seemed to me that Hawks paused occasionally between > tracks longer than intended and one or two tracks > ran longer than planned due to the amount of fun > the guys were having on stage. > > For my part it was a dream come true, the sound > quality was excellent out front and pretty good > on the stage too. > > Mark (Hasbeen). From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 2 14:14:27 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:14:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: monoliths Message-ID: from http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010102/us/monolith_mystery_1.html (following Karen's Arthur C. Clarke theme ;-) ) Tuesday January 2 11:38 AM ET Mysterious Monolith in Seattle SEATTLE (AP) - A 9-foot-tall steel monolith mysteriously appeared in a city park, just in time for 2001. Denny Sargent couldn't resist humming the theme to ''2001: A Space Odyssey,'' when he walked up to touch the imposing object, which stands on a grassy knoll in Magnuson Park like the movie's enigmatic extraterrestrial guardian. ``I feel my intelligence increasing by the moment,'' he said. The unmarked sculpture appears to have been put in place on New Year's Eve. There is no plaque or other clue to the sculptor. Sod was carefully tamped into place around the object's base, but several plastic bottle-cap rings littered the ground, suggesting it was thirsty work for whoever installed it. John Thoe paused to contemplate the structure as he retrieved a boomerang Monday. ``It's cool,'' he said. ``Especially on the first day of 2001.'' Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 2 15:46:14 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:46:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Arthur C. Clarke reflects on his life and times Message-ID: As I came into Victoria Coach Station this Morning, they were playing the Strauss Waltz from 2001, a very fitting end to the weekend, I felt like I was leaving via a spaceport rather than a coachstation ;-) Rich From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Jan 2 18:35:39 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:35:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: monoliths Message-ID: Very cool Arin! Here's a link to a picture! LINK: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/SeattleTimes.woa/wa/gotoArticle?zsection_id=268466359&text_only=0&slug=mono02m&document_id=134257598 Arin Komins wrote: > > from http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010102/us/monolith_mystery_1.html > (following Karen's Arthur C. Clarke theme ;-) ) > > Tuesday January 2 11:38 AM ET > Mysterious Monolith in Seattle > > SEATTLE (AP) - A 9-foot-tall steel monolith mysteriously appeared in a > city park, just in time for 2001. > > Denny Sargent couldn't resist humming the theme to ''2001: A Space > Odyssey,'' when he walked up to touch the imposing object, which stands > on a grassy knoll in Magnuson Park like the movie's enigmatic > extraterrestrial guardian. > > ``I feel my intelligence increasing by the moment,'' he said. > > The unmarked sculpture appears to have been put in place on New Year's > Eve. > > There is no plaque or other clue to the sculptor. > > Sod was carefully tamped into place around the object's base, but > several plastic bottle-cap rings littered the ground, suggesting it was > thirsty work for whoever installed it. > > John Thoe paused to contemplate the structure as he retrieved a > boomerang Monday. > > ``It's cool,'' he said. ``Especially on the first day of 2001.'' > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 2 21:08:40 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:38:40 +1030 Subject: HW:Astoria Message-ID: Can't wait for the next one!! I'll Be there Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Sommers To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: HW:Astoria > To Hawkwind: Please Please PLEASE use Gary and Anna's CD cover artwork! > (TRANSLATION: Please Please PLEASE release this show on CD!) > My first Hawkwind show was in San Francisco 1989. That was a phenomenal > show, and was my absolute favorite. Until now. The Astoria has just taken > its place. Perfect! Wonderful! Amazing! Crystal-clear sound, inspired > performances, the band in great spirits, everything just perfect. > Wow. > > KevinSommers > From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 3 03:52:12 2001 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:52:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Calling Kenneth Ruch / boc-l tape swap Message-ID: Is Kenneth Ruch still on the list ? If so, please email me re: the boc-l tape swap cheers Tim From Hajo.Steffen at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Jan 3 07:31:09 2001 From: Hajo.Steffen at T-ONLINE.DE (HAJO STEFFEN) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:31:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Tree Set List? Message-ID: Hi Thomas, - if it was the Palo Alto Concert Here is the setlist: Intro Before the kiss Cities on flame E.T.I. Harvest moon Buck?s boogie O D?d on life itself The Vigil Life for me Flaming telepaths Disc2 I?d like to see them in black Last days of May In Thee Burnin?for you Godzilla Don?t fear the reaper Golden Age of leather Dominance and submission So that?s all of this great show - I like it much. Do you have something for a CD-R trade? If you?re interested send me your list and in return I can send you mine... Kind regards, Hajo Thomas Nelson schrieb: > Hi everybody, > > I was busy cataloging some of my discs, when I noticed that I had > lost the track listing to the BOC Concert Tree discs from a few > months back. > > Does anybody still have the track listings? > > Thanks! > > Thomas Nelson > The gumby man > > > "...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply > to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that > memory reinspires all the original horror." > H.P. Lovecraft From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 3 10:04:09 2001 From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:04:09 -0800 Subject: [Hawkwind] Disapproval Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Jan 3 15:59:17 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:59:17 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: On 1st Jan 01 Jill Wrote: > Bad luck on missing the show. I only just managed to get there in >time! There were some t-shirts on sale (though not the >competition winners I think). I didn't have time to pick one up >but hopefully one of the Hawkwind outlets will have them available >at some point. I'm extremely glad to say that my design from the competition was used for the t-shirt, it was a very strange feeling seeing it actually on a shirt. Its a pity Kevin's design wasn't used as well - it looked really cool and attracted a lot of comments from other fans. Prior to the main gig I got to have a beer backstage along with Kevin, a BIG thanks to Kris for arranging that and also to Dave and the Band for the signings, photos and interesting conversations - a day I'll NEVER forget. Unfortunately I was too shattered to make the hotel party (thanks for the invite Mike, Arin) but I'm glad it went off OK. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Jan 3 18:46:17 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:46:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: new address! Message-ID: Hi again folks... I've changed my internet provider and consequently have a new address.... Apologies to anyone who has tried to contact me recently at my old address but couldn't reach me. John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jan 3 20:06:57 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:06:57 -0500 Subject: hw: PIX Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS.... First page of vidcaps up on Mission Control...++++ ...More Tomorrow.....++ 35mm scans to come by the weekend.... Site update in progress..... more sections being added.... Hawkwind Starcraft Control Panel Nearly Ready..... ++Message Ends From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Jan 3 22:39:51 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:39:51 -0500 Subject: HW: mission control & Netscape 6? Message-ID: Is it just me, or does the Mission Control page not work the way it's supposed to under Netscape 6? Am I not doing something right with my setup? It looks great with Netscape 4...but that's getting old... John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jan 4 00:18:03 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:18:03 EST Subject: hw: PIX Message-ID: In a message dated 1/3/2001 8:07:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: << BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Mr T ree is the dude ...Dick HEADS rEGARDS, bILL From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 4 01:26:01 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:56:01 +1030 Subject: hw: PIX Message-ID: What? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Stewart To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: Re: hw: PIX > In a message dated 1/3/2001 8:07:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG > writes: > > << BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> > Mr T ree is the dude ...Dick HEADS > > rEGARDS, > bILL > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 4 01:54:51 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:24:51 +1030 Subject: HW (Hawkwind) France? Australia? Message-ID: Is there any idea out there as to how many performances there may be regarding the possibility of a Hawkwind tour in France? I've never been to France before - sounds like fun!! It would be great if there were a few or more cause I just can't get enough!!!!!! Any chance of a return to Australia? ( Willing to beg, badger & nag if necessary ;>) I'm also willing to help promote such a venture in any way possible. Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jan 4 03:48:49 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:48:49 -0000 Subject: HW: mission control & Netscape 6? Message-ID: There's an awful lot of stuff doesn't work under Netscape 6... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: HW: mission control & Netscape 6? > Is it just me, or does the Mission Control page not work the way it's > supposed to under Netscape 6? Am I not doing something right with my setup? > It looks great with Netscape 4...but that's getting old... > John Majka > jmajka2 at home.com > . > old... > John Majka > jmajka2 at home.com > . _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 4 08:48:15 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:48:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 4 10:10:43 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:10:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf In-Reply-To: <3A547F1F.9070504@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Michael S. Habiby wrote: :Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf : :This for the Yanks only, who have satellites or digital cable: : :BBC America starting 8pm EST, 5PM PST will be airing the ENTIRE Red Dwarf series soup to nuts. : :www.bbcamerica.com : :for details. : :Get your VCR's ready : :Mike H. Except...from what I understand, they are showing the entire thing backwards. (or at least, that's how it was reported in the sftv mailing list I'm on ;-) ) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 4 10:19:12 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:19:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf Message-ID: Yes that is what I read. (subscribe to the same lists). But they must have changed their minds cause the schedule bot for BBC America has them starting episode 1 series 1 at 8pm Fri EST. Go figure. Mike Arin Komins wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Michael S. Habiby wrote: > > :Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf > : > :This for the Yanks only, who have satellites or digital cable: > : > :BBC America starting 8pm EST, 5PM PST will be airing the ENTIRE Red Dwarf series soup to nuts. > : > :www.bbcamerica.com > : > :for details. > : > :Get your VCR's ready > : > :Mike H. > > Except...from what I understand, they are showing the entire thing > backwards. (or at least, that's how it was reported in the sftv mailing > list I'm on ;-) ) > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 4 13:15:38 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:15:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf In-Reply-To: <3A549470.7080704@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: In article <3A549470.7080704 at nycap.rr.com>, Michael S. Habiby writes >Yes that is what I read. (subscribe to the same lists). But they must >have changed their minds cause the schedule bot for BBC America has them >starting episode 1 series 1 at 8pm Fri EST. > >Go figure. > >Mike If I remember correctly, the first episode is called "The End" -- Jon From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jan 4 13:41:36 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:41:36 -0000 Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 Message-ID: "The 2001 Glastonbury Festival has been cancelled by organiser Michael Eavis because of safety fears..." http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1100000/1100854.stm -- Andy www.andygilham.com From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 4 14:19:21 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:19:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Red Dwarf Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did the usual touristy things. Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be made available (maybe to passport members?) Regards, Tom From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Thu Jan 4 17:48:31 2001 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:48:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Astoria In-Reply-To: <3A54F36C.8E717933@petronet.net> Message-ID: >Well, I have just arrived back home after spending alot of money NOT to >see Hawkwind in London due to flight delays, etc. (emotions range from >....aaargh!....to "why me?!" to "fekking bummer!!" and back to >"aaargh!") > >Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make >the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did >the usual touristy things. > >Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be >made available (maybe to passport members?) > >Regards, > >Tom Well....I was standing behind the mixing desk on the balcony and judgeing by the array of state of the art technology and consoles before me....I'd say it had to be certainly recorded for a live album release. The set-up certainly seemed a lot more sophisticated than what I've seen at the average HW gig (if thats anything to go by). Also....thats also why the sound quality and balance was so good at this gig! melvyn From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 4 14:11:07 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:07 -0000 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 Message-ID: The rift is now canyon-sized I should imagine, especially after the Astoria triumph. Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 I read, with some amusement, in Classic Rock that Nik is playing with his "Hawkwind Isle Of Wight 1970 Reunion Band" in Liverpool. First point that should be "..... without Dave Brock". Second, give me a modern Hawkwind to a second rate covers outfit anyday...this must surely piss off Dave Brock - maybe that's the point. Has Nik written anything of note since the first ICU LP (both it and Xitintoday are superb) - that doesn't rely on cobbling old HW tunes together. Nik is a nice guy - however, he seems to trade off this "Nik the soul of Hawkwind" thing but when it comes to HW participation the descriptor "chancer" may be more appropriate. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 4 19:39:00 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:39:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Astoria Message-ID: ....and Rob from Voiceprint would hardly let this chance go by to get another album or two out!!!!! Only thing is that the Turner camp will probably beat him to it!!! (as regards a live album from that collective, that is) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melvyn Vincent" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Astoria > >Well, I have just arrived back home after spending alot of money NOT to > >see Hawkwind in London due to flight delays, etc. (emotions range from > >....aaargh!....to "why me?!" to "fekking bummer!!" and back to > >"aaargh!") > > > >Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make > >the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did > >the usual touristy things. > > > >Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be > >made available (maybe to passport members?) > > > >Regards, > > > >Tom > > Well....I was standing behind the mixing desk on the balcony and judgeing > by the array of state of the art technology and consoles before me....I'd > say it had to be certainly recorded for a live album release. The set-up > certainly seemed a lot more sophisticated than what I've seen at the > average HW gig (if thats anything to go by). > Also....thats also why the sound quality and balance was so good at this gig! > > melvyn From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jan 4 19:43:48 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:43:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 Message-ID: so all the other festival promotors will be clapping their hands with glee - unless of course the councils concerned and police follow suit and become so overly 'concerned' that things disappear altogether.. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 > "The 2001 Glastonbury Festival has been cancelled by organiser Michael Eavis > because of safety fears..." > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1100000/1100854.stm > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jan 4 19:54:58 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:54:58 -0800 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:07 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? I sure hope not!!! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 4 20:24:18 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:54:18 +1030 Subject: OFF: Astoria Message-ID: I know exactly how you feel as I could not get a seat due to the Xmas season and limited availabliity or some shit But it must feel worse for you having come that close - you have my heartfelt sympathy Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Astoria > Well, I have just arrived back home after spending alot of money NOT to > see Hawkwind in London due to flight delays, etc. (emotions range from > ....aaargh!....to "why me?!" to "fekking bummer!!" and back to > "aaargh!") > > Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make > the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did > the usual touristy things. > > Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be > made available (maybe to passport members?) > > Regards, > > Tom From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 4 20:36:22 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:36:22 -0500 Subject: Tree Set List? - Atlanta show (May '00) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CD 1 Intro Stairway to the Stars Teen Archer ETI Harvest Moon Bucks Boogie Joan Crawford Cities on Flame Burning for You Harvester of Eyes Last Days of May Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper CD 2 Now is the Time the Old Gods Remember (new) Dominance and Submission ---- (Chatanooga show) Intro Stairway to the Stars OD'd on Life Itself ME 262 Harvester of Eyes ETI Harvest Moon Bucks Boogie Burning for You Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper I have this if anyone wants it.. with some KILLER art work from one of my "leaves", I am so sorry I can't pull his name out of the air at this moment. Mike H. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Thomas Nelson > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:29 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: BOC: Tree Set List? > > > Hi everybody, > > I was busy cataloging some of my discs, when I noticed that I had > lost the track listing to the BOC Concert Tree discs from a few > months back. > > Does anybody still have the track listings? > > Thanks! > > Thomas Nelson > The gumby man > > > "...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply > to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that > memory reinspires all the original horror." > H.P. Lovecraft From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 4 20:41:21 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:11:21 +1030 Subject: OFF: Astoria Message-ID: >Well....I was standing behind the mixing desk on the balcony and judgeing >by the array of state of the art technology and consoles before me....I'd >say it had to be certainly recorded for a live album release. The set-up >certainly seemed a lot more sophisticated than what I've seen at the >average HW gig (if thats anything to go by). >Also....thats also why the sound quality and balance was so good a Sheisen - Sorry all ya'll German folks out there ----- Original Message ----- From: Melvyn Vincent To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Astoria > >Well, I have just arrived back home after spending alot of money NOT to > >see Hawkwind in London due to flight delays, etc. (emotions range from > >....aaargh!....to "why me?!" to "fekking bummer!!" and back to > >"aaargh!") > > > >Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make > >the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did > >the usual touristy things. > > > >Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be > >made available (maybe to passport members?) > > > >Regards, > > > >Tom > > Well....I was standing behind the mixing desk on the balcony and judgeing > by the array of state of the art technology and consoles before me....I'd > say it had to be certainly recorded for a live album release. The set-up > certainly seemed a lot more sophisticated than what I've seen at the > average HW gig (if thats anything to go by). > Also....thats also why the sound quality and balance was so good at this gig! > > melvyn From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 4 20:39:49 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:39:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Star Nation In-Reply-To: <001901c07455$bf2837a0$3111bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Hear Hear! The CD is quite good. I love the artwork. A fascinating look into the artist's contributions to Hawkwind in a way. I am glad that they made it available to 200 of us. What more could a fan ask for. Mike H. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 7:47 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Star Nation > > > err.......well, I'd done this long piece on the 'history' of the > Star Nation > project but on just checking, I've put the wron g copy of December news on > my website and deleted the one with the Star Nation piece. > In brief then, CD Services were asked to do it - we did it - they rejected > it - they did it themselves - they sold it to us - we made our normal > mark-up (same as for all items and same as most indie mail order > operations), based on their cost price to us, no more, no less > (and you also > have to allow for the fact that we are VAT registered and they > are not) and > that was why the price was what it was. > Our idea, of which two copies were manufactured - the band has one and we > have the other (collectors among you can drool now) - was their artwork > (different from what appeared in the end) along with some extra bits from > Dave Barker, the guy manufacturing it, on a pic disc CD in a > jewelcase, but > even though we rated Dave's work, expensive though it was (hence the > original price) it wasn't ultimately what the band wanted so they did it > themselves. > As far as I am aware the band put a lot into this and are trying to recoup > that and also as much as they can to finance a full album, and despite the > prices they and CD Services were charging, I'm sure you can all sympathise > with this aim. Also they said it would be limited to 200 only and that > probably justifies it also. Musically, I love it, I have to say. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Jarrett" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Star Nation > > > > [1] Just to ward off flames, I have done the sums, and though I > don't know > > what CDS's cut was even if it was minuscule the income Jerry and Richard > > are getting from this probably doesn't cover a month of my rent > each. I do > > appreciate that they're not raking it in, but that just raises the > > question in my mind, why didn't they make more? > > > > -- > > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > ===================================================================== > > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > From grodog at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jan 4 20:53:43 2001 From: grodog at EARTHLINK.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:53:43 -0800 Subject: off: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter Message-ID: Got this in email yesterday and tried to forward it, but I sent it as an attachment and the listbot nailed it. Enjoy/delete as you like Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at earthlink.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ ==== Subject: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:53:21 -0600 From: Cory Glaberson To: grodog at earthlink.net PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE AMERICAN FANTASY PRESS PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE FANTASY'S FINEST ARTISTS ILLUSTRATE THE NEW NOVEL FEATURING FANTASY'S GREATEST CHAMPION, ELRIC OF MELNIBONE WOODSTOCK, IL (12/27/2000)?After months of preparation, American Fantasy Press announced the final lineup of artists on its limited edition of Michael Moorcock's The Dreamthief's Daughter?the first new novel featuring Elric of Melnibone in 10 years. The book?s artists are: Robert Gould: Long associated with Michael Moorcock, Gould did the covers for Ace Fantasy?s paperback and hardcover editions, as well as the cover for the Weird of the White Wolf graphic novel. With this book, he gives us not only a stunning wrap-around cover (a full version of the cover that appears on the Warner Books trade edition), but a new full page B&W illustration, three B&W Chapter Headings, and three B&W section illustrations. Donato Giancola: One of fantasy?s most popular artists with covers gracing bestsellers by C.J. Cherryh, David Drake, Barbara Hambly, and The Hobbit plus the latest omnibus edition of The Lord of the Rings. For a look at his artwork online go to: http://www.donatoart.com. Donato is contributing a full page B&W portrait of a fallen Elric, plus three B&W chapter headings and the signature page illustration. Gary Gianni: Famous for his incredible rendition of another tall, gaunt adventurer in The Savage Tales of Solomon Kane, Gianni just finished Worms of the Earth for Wandering Star, and started work on The Dreamthief?s Daughter in early December. His rendition of the darker side of Elric in his full page B&W illustration is stunning as well as his three B&W chapter headings. Todd Lockwood: A Chesley Award winner who has been creating blockbuster covers for TSR, Lockwood gives us a stunning series of Black and White illustrations of Count Ulrik von Bek: one B&W full page illustration and four B&W chapter headings. Randy Broecker: It?s been years since pen and ink master Broecker has illuminated a high fantasy novel as he did in the limited editions of Tanith Lee?s Night?s Master and Death?s Master, but he returns to fantasy illustration after he finished writing his mammoth Fantasy in the 20th Century: An Illustrated History for Collector?s Press. His exquisite B&W linework will grace one full page and three chapter headings. The full page depicting Elric summoning supernatural aid. Michael Kaluta: Famous for his many comic visions of The Shadow, Starstruck, his illustrated Metropolis, The Swords of Shahrazar, The Lost Valley Of Iskander, The 1994 Tolkien Calendar, hundreds of comic covers, and more (see http://www.kaluta.com), Kaluta, an avowed Moorcock fan, is doing a full page B&W portrait of Oona, Elric?s daughter, the title character of the book. He will also contribute three B&W chapter headings. Michael Whelan: 14 time Hugo Award winner, 3 time World Fantasy Award winner, cover artist of DAW?s Elric series and illustrator of US hardcover edition of the Elric novel, The Vanishing Tower, Michael Whelan has long been associated with the Moorcock?s Albino Prince. Mr. Whelan?s schedule did allow him time to illustrate a section of the novel, but wanting to be involved with this book, he is providing an exquisite Elric line drawing for the front matter. Don Maitz: Hugo and World Fantasy Award winning artist Don Maitz, is painting an original frontispiece for this limited edition, depicting Elric and his daughter Oona astride a powerful dragon in flight. See his work at http://home.paravia.com/DonMaitz. A 250 piece limited edition, signed and numbered card stock print of Mr. Maitz?s art will be produced. The first 100 prints will be given FREE to the first one hundred customers who order directly from American Fantasy. The print number will match the edition number of the book. This special offer is only good for a very limited time. Publishers Robert and Nancy Garcia were delighted with the response from the fantasy field?s finest artists. ?These guys jumped at the chance to illustrate a new Moorcock Elric story,? said Mr. Garcia. ?Elric?s one of the legendary characters in fantasy fiction, and when they heard what we had in mind for this book, they just said yes. Some stopped work on other projects so they could concentrate on these pieces, and others changed their schedule to come on board.? American Fantasy will publish a signed, limited edition of 600 copies with fine archival quality cloth, a heavy acid-free paper, clothbound slipcase, and a four-color frontispiece. Plus a special tray-cased leather-bound signed, lettered edition. The company assures customers that this will be the most beautiful Elric book published to date, designed by owner Robert Garcia, the man behind the DreamHaven Books line of sf/fantasy titles and several years of Fedogan & Bremer?s dustjackets. Only the American Fantasy edition will have the interior art and design elements described here, while the Warner Books trade edition will only have a variant of the Robert Gould cover art. The price for the signed/numbered edition is $125.00 (+$7.00 P/H in the US), and can be ordered from American Fantasy Press, P.O. Box 1059, Woodstock, Illinois, 60098. Or directly on-line at www.american-fantasy.com. Orders for the signed/lettered edition are also being taken--inquire at garpubserv at aol.com for price and availability. THE DREAMTHIEF?S DAUGHTER SYNOPSIS As the Nazis begin their big play in World War II, Ulric von Bek is imprisoned and forced to fight for the black runesword Ravenbrand against his power mad cousin. Prince Gaynor moves towards his destiny, and the multiverse is in peril. Only the combined souls of Ulric and Elric can triumph as Stormbringer and the Holy Grail fall into Gaynor's and Hitler's hands. This is the first in a thematic trilogy of novels. The Dreamthief?s Daughter brings Elric firmly into Moorcock?s von Bek story cycle, describing the ties between Ulric von Bek and Elric and introducing Elric's beautiful albino daughter Oona. AMERICAN FANTASY: In the 80s, Robert and Nancy Garcia published American Fantasy Magazine and won the 1988 World Fantasy Award. In 1996, with the help of Airgedlamdh Publications, AF published the author's preferred version of Darkside by Dennis Etchison. At the World Horror Convention 2000, AF released the Featured Guests Steve and Melanie Tem?s short story/novella The Man on the Ceiling as a chapbook.It was praised by Harlan Ellison, Ed Bryant, Dan Simmons, Peter Straub, Neil Gaiman, and almost every reviewer whose desk it crossed. In 2001, AF will publish The Dreamthief?s Daughter Limited Edition and the short story collection Invisible Pleasures by Mary Frances Zambreno. ATTENTION FEATURE EDITOR: Artwork is available to illustrate an article. Please contact Robert or Nancy Garcia at garpubserv at aol.com or 1-800-878-9378 (Voice mailbox) FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Robert Garcia garpubserv at aol.com 1-800-878-9378 (Voice mailbox) or 815-338-5512 From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Jan 4 20:27:08 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:27:08 -0000 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 Message-ID: seeing Nik perform at the brixton gig was one of my highlights and i always felt that "Warrior on the edge..." was made such a better album because of Nik's contributions on Sax and flute. colm -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 January 2001 01:06 Subject: Re: HW: 2001 and 1970 >On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:07 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI > wrote: >>Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? > >I sure hope not!!! > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jan 4 21:30:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:30:27 +0000 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010104165458.009f4100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:07 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI > wrote: > >Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? > > I sure hope not!!! My answer would have to be: "Yes. Again." Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 4 21:37:48 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:07:48 +1030 Subject: HW huw rocks baby Message-ID: and thats all there is to it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 4 23:01:11 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:01:11 +0800 Subject: OFF: Astoria Message-ID: And Mine. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Astoria > I know exactly how you feel as I could not get a seat due to the Xmas season > and limited availabliity or some shit > But it must feel worse for you having come that close - you have my > heartfelt sympathy > > Michael B > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Clark > To: > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Astoria > > > > Well, I have just arrived back home after spending alot of money NOT to > > see Hawkwind in London due to flight delays, etc. (emotions range from > > ....aaargh!....to "why me?!" to "fekking bummer!!" and back to > > "aaargh!") > > > > Sounds like a good time was had by all, though. Will definitely make > > the next gig (a day beforehand). Made the best of it, though, and did > > the usual touristy things. > > > > Is there any chance the show may have been recorded, and if it will be > > made available (maybe to passport members?) > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 4 23:10:22 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:10:22 +0800 Subject: HW: Star Nation Message-ID: Thanks Andy G. Star Nation arrived in one piece :-) Agreed! I've listened to it once and liked what I heard. I hope they get the time to do more stuff. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Habiby" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Re: HW: Star Nation > Hear Hear! > > The CD is quite good. I love the artwork. A fascinating look into the > artist's contributions to Hawkwind in a way. I am glad that they made it > available to 200 of us. What more could a fan ask for. > > Mike H. > > > -----Original Message----- From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jan 5 04:15:45 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:15:45 -0700 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A few or a couple thoughts: Garrr, but it was great seeing the core band intact, but I marvel at the re-addition of Alan Davey. Liked your bass, Ron, but: Wonderful to have Alan back. And the added treat of having 'former' members Harvey and Simon remaining in the line-up. Fantastic stuff! Hope you guys are sticking around for awhile! (Which roughly translates to: Dave, keep playing that git-tar!). KevinSommers From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jan 5 04:30:36 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:30:36 -0700 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And craaapppp! I've forgotten to mention a very integral part of the success of both the Brixton Hawkestra and Astoria HawkXmas gigs: newest member and astounding synthist Keith Kniveton (Captain Bl at ck). Far out! KevinSommers P.S. My Mom told me: "Don't post whilst stoned!" Ah wellll...... -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Sommers [mailto:novadrive at home.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:16 AM To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Subject: RE: HW:Astoria A few or a couple thoughts: Garrr, but it was great seeing the core band intact, but I marvel at the re-addition of Alan Davey. Liked your bass, Ron, but: Wonderful to have Alan back. And the added treat of having 'former' members Harvey and Simon remaining in the line-up. Fantastic stuff! Hope you guys are sticking around for awhile! (Which roughly translates to: Dave, keep playing that git-tar!). KevinSommers From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Jan 5 04:46:56 2001 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:46:56 +1100 Subject: HW: Legends? Message-ID: Hi all, anyone know anything about this title I just found on Amazon? Legends Collection (UK); ASIN: B000056V2T Apparrently to be released on Feb 13 .... Sonique From richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 05:22:00 2001 From: richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK (Richard Cutting/JHC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:22:00 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: >From our local paper; Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm Hawkwind + Tim Blake Box Office is 020 8688 9291 From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 06:28:17 2001 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:28:17 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cool, but is for real? Can't find the Fairfield Halls web site, and no news on Mission Conrol......... But I really hope it happens. If this is happening, then I hope there is some publicity. Croydon can be a pretty soulless place, especially when half empty. It always cracks me up at Croydon to see the "No Smoking in the Auitorium" signs when half the audience seem to be "skinning up",and clouds of exhalled dope float through the sky. Not to mention Kris's fire breathing antics! Cheers, Andy At 10:22 05/01/01 +0000, you wrote: >>>From our local paper; > >Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm > >Hawkwind + Tim Blake > >Box Office is 020 8688 9291 > From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 06:32:20 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:32:20 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: Just got my ticket!! See you there. Keef From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Jan 5 06:32:13 2001 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:32:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Legends Message-ID: Well it's not mentioned in the 133 cd albums 7 cassette albums 4 LP albums 4 videos and 1 7" singles at; The Hawkwind Shop http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151 but I'll keep an eye out. Stuart The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00 From richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 06:37:24 2001 From: richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK (Richard Cutting/JHC) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:37:24 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: Yes - got my ticket ! Andy Ball cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List 05/01/01 11:28 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Cool, but is for real? Can't find the Fairfield Halls web site, and no news on Mission Conrol......... But I really hope it happens. If this is happening, then I hope there is some publicity. Croydon can be a pretty soulless place, especially when half empty. It always cracks me up at Croydon to see the "No Smoking in the Auitorium" signs when half the audience seem to be "skinning up",and clouds of exhalled dope float through the sky. Not to mention Kris's fire breathing antics! Cheers, Andy At 10:22 05/01/01 +0000, you wrote: >>>From our local paper; > >Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm > >Hawkwind + Tim Blake > >Box Office is 020 8688 9291 > From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 07:14:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:14:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: Anyone have news on when the Chrysalis Top 10 featuring HW will go out, and what theme the show will use? Steve Litchfield PS> Thanks for all the 'Best HW moments' comments, I've logged ALL of them and am producing a special web page summary - watch this space 8-))))))) No prizes for guessing the overall number 1 though! From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 5 07:17:33 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:17:33 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010105112817.0093c100@pop3> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Andy Ball wrote: > exhalled dope float through the sky. Not to mention Kris's fire breathing > antics! Notably missing from the Christmas ig - am I rigght to be worried, or is Kris alright? Only the only plausible reson I could think of (Jon thought of them not allowing fire) was cancer, which would not be good but is a risk you take if you're breathing fire :( Please someone tell me she's alright and I'm just extra gloomy? Kirsten, who will decide on whether she can get to Croydon later -- Kirsten Procter NP: Hawkwind - Levitation From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Thu Jan 4 14:31:06 2001 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:31:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Does anyone know where I might find tab or a score or similar for Hurry On Sundown? Missed the Astoria gig due to being abroad on hols... shame, it sounded really good. Happy New Year and Cheers, Mark From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Jan 5 08:01:42 2001 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:01:42 -0000 Subject: HW / BOC :Eric and Lemmy share album credit Message-ID: Advance preview from tomorrows news at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk Track listing for the Metallica tribute album entitled METALLIC ASSAULT: "Battery" (vocalist Eric A.K. (Flotsam & Jetsam), guitarist Mike Clark (Suicidal Tendencies), bassist Robert Trujillo (Suicidal Tendencies), drummer Dave Lombardo (Grip Inc./Slayer)); "Sad But True" (vocalist Joey Belladonna (Anthrax), guitarist Bruce Kulick (Kiss), bassist Marco Mendoza (Thin Lizzy), drummer Eric Singer (Kiss)); "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" (vocalist Whitfield Crane (Ugly Kid Joe), guitarists John Marshall (Metal Church) & Scott Ian (Anthrax), bassist Tony Levin (King Crimson/Liquid Tension Experiment), drummer Mickey Dee (Motorhead)); "The Unforgiven" (vocalist Doug Pinnick (King's X), guitarist Vernon Reid (Living Colour), bassist Tony Franklin (Blue Murder), drummer Frankie Banali (Quiet Riot/W.A.S.P.); "The Thing That Should Not Be" (vocalist John Garcia (Unida/Kyuss), guitarist Kurdt Vanderhoof (Metal Church), bassist Jeff Pilson (Dokken), drummer Jason Bonham; "Enter Sandman" (Burton C. Bell (Fear Factory), guitarist John Christ (Danzig), Trujillo, drummer Tommy Aldridge (Whitesnake/Ted Nugent); "Whiplash" (vocalist Billy Milano (S.O.D./M.O.D.), Ian, bassist Phil Soussan (Ozzy Osbourne), drummer Vinny Appice (Dio/Black Sabbath); "Nothing Else Matters" (vocalist Jon Oliva (Savatage), guitarist Bob Balch, bassist Lemmy Kilmister (Motorhead), drummer Gregg Bissonette (David Lee Roth); "Seek & Destroy" (vocalist Chuck Billy (Testament), guitarist Jake E. Lee (Ozzy Osbourne/Badlands), bassist Jimmy Bain (Dio/Rainbow), drummer Aynsley Dunbar); "For Whom The Bell Tolls" (vocalist Eric Bloom (Blue Oyster Cult), guitarist Al Pitrelli (Savatage/Megadeth), Franklin, Dunbar). The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 07:38:05 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:38:05 +0000 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 In-Reply-To: <01f301c076af$4d1a56a0$600dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In article <01f301c076af$4d1a56a0$600dbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes > The rift is now canyon-sized I should imagine, especially after the > Astoria triumph. > Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? Hope not. I'm looking forward to the "2012 - End of The Mayan Calendar Reunion Gig", myself. -- Jon From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 5 09:02:56 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:32:56 +1030 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: Sorry but I'm not sure what you're refering to? Please explain (ohhh) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Ball To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... > Cool, but is for real? > > Can't find the Fairfield Halls web site, and no news on Mission > Conrol......... > But I really hope it happens. If this is happening, then I hope there is > some publicity. > Croydon can be a pretty soulless place, especially when half empty. > It always cracks me up at Croydon to see the "No Smoking in the Auitorium" > signs when half the audience seem to be "skinning up",and clouds of > exhalled dope float through the sky. Not to mention Kris's fire breathing > antics! > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > > > At 10:22 05/01/01 +0000, you wrote: > >>From our local paper; > > > >Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm > > > >Hawkwind + Tim Blake > > > >Box Office is 020 8688 9291 > > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 5 09:03:20 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:33:20 +1030 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: Ticket for whaaaaat????? Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: Re: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... > Just got my ticket!! > > See you there. > > Keef > From gumby at TELIS.ORG Fri Jan 5 09:40:03 2001 From: gumby at TELIS.ORG (Thomas Nelson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:40:03 -0800 Subject: BOC Re: Tree Set List In-Reply-To: <200101051000.FAA22349@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this. It has made things a lot easier for me. Also thanks to all of you who emailed with other offers to help. Gratefully, The Gumby Man At 8:36 PM -0500 1/4/01, Michael Habiby wrote: >Subject: Re: Tree Set List? - Atlanta show (May '00) > >CD 1 > > Intro > Stairway to the Stars > Teen Archer > ETI > Harvest Moon > Bucks Boogie > Joan Crawford > Cities on Flame > Burning for You > Harvester of Eyes > Last Days of May > Godzilla > Don't Fear the Reaper > >CD 2 > > Now is the Time the Old Gods Remember (new) > Dominance and Submission > > ---- (Chatanooga show) > Intro > Stairway to the Stars > OD'd on Life Itself > ME 262 > Harvester of Eyes > ETI > Harvest Moon > Bucks Boogie > Burning for You > Godzilla > Don't Fear the Reaper "...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that memory reinspires all the original horror." H.P. Lovecraft From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 5 10:12:45 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:12:45 -0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig Message-ID: Just found this while browsing Ticketweb for the HW Crotdon gig... Thursday, March 22 at 8:30 PM Hawkwind at Limelight Club (NICK TURNER, TERRY OLLIS, HUE LLOYD LANGTON, DIK MIK, THOMAS CRIMBOL) ?10.00 Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 5 11:01:26 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:01:26 +0000 Subject: off: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter In-Reply-To: <3A552927.14D099F3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > Got this in email yesterday and tried to forward it, but I sent it > as an attachment and the listbot nailed it. Enjoy/delete as you like Not unconnectedly, my second-best Christmas present was a copy of _Elric at the End of Time_ in big format with illustrations by Rodney Matthews. Which kicks arse anyway, but one of the illustrations is of the band that briefly features, and though the members all appear to be goblins and aliens, the line-up is kind of suggestive - drummer, four-string player dead centre, stage left a creature playing a double-necked twelve/six-string and stage right a Vorlon-like thing playing a double-barreled saxophone or something very much like it. Small gnome/Mekon-like creature sitting in a booth twiddling knobs... Is Mr. Matthews a fan or did someone just show him a picture? :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Atomhenge '76_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 13:02:14 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:02:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still strikes me as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the biggest problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying to escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard both? -- Nick Medford From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Jan 5 13:31:07 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:31:07 -0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: what time does the last train leave croydon for london? cheers colm >>From our local paper; > >Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm > >Hawkwind + Tim Blake > >Box Office is 020 8688 9291 From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jan 5 14:01:51 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:01:51 -0000 Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970 Message-ID: errr - just in case the wrong thing was implied I was asking a question rather than making an opinion. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: HW: 2001 and 1970 > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > > > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:07 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI > > wrote: > > >Think we might have seen the last of Nik in Hawkwind??? > > > > I sure hope not!!! > > My answer would have to be: "Yes. Again." Yours, > Jon > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jan 5 14:11:47 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:11:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: not heard the vinyl (or my promo cassette copy) in ages but the remastered CD I think is superb but then I really rated the album, but I think you will find the quality of this and the 'Business'remasters to bring out the best in the music. Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: HW: Xenon Codex > Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still strikes me > as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the biggest > problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying to > escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered > version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard > both? > -- > Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 13:56:45 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:56:45 +0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... In-Reply-To: <004301c07745$b0de95c0$3b68883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: In message <004301c07745$b0de95c0$3b68883e at bedroomt>, bedroom trancer writes >what time does the last train leave croydon for london? > >cheers > >colm You won't have a problem there (assuming train services are running as they should)- trains run from East Croydon to Victoria throughout the night. Check www.railtrack.co.uk for details (from the main page click on 'travel' and then 'timetable'). -- Nick Medford From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Jan 5 13:53:52 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:53:52 -0000 Subject: hawkwind website Message-ID: don't you think the revolving time display on the guest book page of the hawkwind site is one of the collest things ever???? Does it show the correct time wherever you view the site in any part of the world? colm From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 14:28:26 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:28:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Legends? In-Reply-To: <3A5632C0.17532.796FBF@localhost> Message-ID: I think this will be the Nottingham 90 set - ie the audio to the video Live Legends?? Alasdair On 5 Jan 01, at 20:46, Sonique wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone know anything about this title I just found on Amazon? > > Legends Collection (UK); ASIN: B000056V2T > > Apparrently to be released on Feb 13 .... > > Sonique > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Jan 5 14:41:42 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:41:42 -0000 Subject: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... Message-ID: where did u get a ticket???? colm -----Original Message----- From: Richard Cutting/JHC To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 January 2001 11:40 Subject: Re: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... >Yes - got my ticket ! > > > > > Andy Ball > BBC.CO.UK> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: HW: For those in the UK that haven't had enough yet..... > BOC/Hawkwind > Discussion > List > V.SPC.EDU> > > > 05/01/01 11:28 > Please respond > to > BOC/Hawkwind > Discussion > List > > > > > > >Cool, but is for real? > >Can't find the Fairfield Halls web site, and no news on Mission >Conrol......... >But I really hope it happens. If this is happening, then I hope there is >some publicity. >Croydon can be a pretty soulless place, especially when half empty. >It always cracks me up at Croydon to see the "No Smoking in the Auitorium" >signs when half the audience seem to be "skinning up",and clouds of >exhalled dope float through the sky. Not to mention Kris's fire breathing >antics! >Cheers, > >Andy > > > > > > > >At 10:22 05/01/01 +0000, you wrote: >>>>From our local paper; >> >>Fairfield Halls ( Croydon ) Friday 19th Jan 8:00pm >> >>Hawkwind + Tim Blake >> >>Box Office is 020 8688 9291 >> From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 5 15:03:30 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:03:30 GMT Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:43:48 -0000 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > so all the other festival promotors will be clapping their hands with glee - > unless of course the councils concerned and police follow suit and become > so overly 'concerned' that things disappear altogether.. It's a fair call after Roskilde. I was at Glastonbury last year and there were various ways in which it could have been dangerous as a result of as many people gatecrashing as legitimate revellers. Obviously there were health dangers from overload of the sanitary and litter collection facilities. There were several times when overcrowding was hostage to a single incident causing a panic. Fences were knocked down with unconcern as to anyone who might be crushed on the other side. Most dangerous of all, tents were forced into a situation where they were 4 inches apart at best, with open fires well within risky distances from same. If you've ever seen a tent go up, it's impressive. It takes ahandful of seconds and anyone inside has sticky burning nylon (think napalm) falling onto them. Worse, any tent within a few feet (safe distance at legal campsites is 12 feet) may follow suit, with the probability of this happening higher with shorter distances. Unless someone is quick enough off the mark with closely packed tents (I.E rips enough of the nearby tents out of the ground to create a firebreak, you can easily have a wall of flame within a few minutes. If you run from that at Glastonbury when it's crowded, you'll come to a hdge, or worse, a 12 foot high metal fence. And tents were often camped in roadways so a fire tender would be unlikely to arrive quickly. This in a situation where drunk and stonedpeople are negotiating a route in the dark through tents almost on top of each other, and often carrying flares or lettng off fireworks. The risk are there. The risks are real, and Glastonbury was very lucky not to see any of them turn sour. Eavis has made the only decision he could, as did the local Police and Council. I'm a great Glastonbury fan (I've been to 11 of them) but unless they can put a stop to those who only want to steal from the festival and who cause danger to others by their selfishness, then I agree that it'll have to stop. If the Staag Luft 13 model pioneered at the Ise of Wight can't do it (Eavis has a 25 foot interlinked fence planned for 2002) then sadly that'll be the end of it. That's my 89 quid's worth anyway... FoFP From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 5 15:41:13 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:41:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: The show is the Top 10 of Progressive Rock. Mostly 70's bands, including Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes, Rush, Jethro Tull, Hawkwind, Camel and a couple of others who I forget (maybe VDGG?). Probably in that order too, as chart position is based on record sales. Captain Bl at ck , ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: HW: Top 10 show > Anyone have news on when the Chrysalis Top 10 featuring HW will go out, > and what theme the show will use? > > Steve Litchfield > PS> Thanks for all the 'Best HW moments' comments, I've logged ALL of them > and am producing a special web page summary - watch this space 8-))))))) > No prizes for guessing the overall number 1 though! From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 5 15:50:28 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:50:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Funny thing, but I was actually on the phone today to the chap who engineered it, Tim 'Bay City Roller', otherwise known as Tim Lewis aka Thighpaulsandra aka Bobby Nolan. These days he occupies himself being Julian Cope's keyboard player. Nice guy too. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: HW: Xenon Codex > Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still strikes me > as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the biggest > problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying to > escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered > version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard > both? > -- > Nick Medford From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 5 15:51:06 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:51:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Legends? Message-ID: Released again? I have this on vinyl as The Cyberspace Conspiracy. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Alasdair Macdonald To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: Legends? > I think this will be the Nottingham 90 set - ie the audio to the video > Live Legends?? > > Alasdair > > On 5 Jan 01, at 20:46, Sonique wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > anyone know anything about this title I just found on Amazon? > > > > Legends Collection (UK); ASIN: B000056V2T > > > > Apparrently to be released on Feb 13 .... > > > > Sonique > > > > > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Jan 5 16:24:55 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:24:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! btw playing the vinyl version of xenon codex now, still sounds pretty good, though the drumming sounds a bit leaden!!! Deffinatley not there worst album by a mile. Can Is the xenon codex named after that magician bloke that used to tour with hawkwind? paul xenon or something? colm -----Original Message----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 January 2001 20:56 Subject: Re: HW: Xenon Codex >Funny thing, but I was actually on the phone today to the chap who >engineered it, Tim 'Bay City Roller', otherwise known as Tim Lewis aka >Thighpaulsandra aka Bobby Nolan. These days he occupies himself being Julian >Cope's keyboard player. > >Nice guy too. > >Captain Bl at ck > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nick Medford >To: >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 6:02 PM >Subject: HW: Xenon Codex > > >> Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still >strikes me >> as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the biggest >> problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying >to >> escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered >> version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard >> both? >> -- >> Nick Medford > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Jan 5 16:44:56 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:44:56 -0500 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: <009301c07729$f713ac40$0824fd3e@xpnwjjkf>; from nick.lee2@VIRGIN.NET on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 03:12:45PM -0000 Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 03:12:45PM -0000, Nick Lee wrote: > Just found this while browsing Ticketweb for the HW Crotdon gig... > > > Thursday, March 22 at 8:30 PM > Hawkwind No comment. Been there, debated that. > at Limelight Club > > (NICK TURNER, TERRY OLLIS, HUE LLOYD LANGTON, DIK MIK, THOMAS CRIMBOL) > ?10.00 Somebody at Ticketweb should learn to spell :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 17:02:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:02:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <00c601c07759$5c174f00$2e1828d5@starfield> Message-ID: In message <00c601c07759$5c174f00$2e1828d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >Funny thing, but I was actually on the phone today to the chap who >engineered it, Tim 'Bay City Roller', otherwise known as Tim Lewis aka >Thighpaulsandra aka Bobby Nolan. These days he occupies himself being Julian >Cope's keyboard player. ...he also collaborates with Coil, which is where I've heard of him. Had no idea he had ever had anything to do with Hawkwind. -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 17:05:00 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:05:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <01c201c0775d$f730ac80$3b68883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: In message <01c201c0775d$f730ac80$3b68883e at bedroomt>, bedroom trancer writes >cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! >btw playing the vinyl version of xenon codex now, still sounds pretty good, >though the drumming sounds a bit leaden!!! >Deffinatley not there worst album by a mile. >Can >Is the xenon codex named after that magician bloke that used to tour with >hawkwind? > >paul xenon or something? Well HW dreamt up his stage name I think. Prior to that he was just Paul Collins. He changed the spelling to Zenon 'cos people kept pronouncing it "Exenon". He had some shows on Channel 4 a while back, very cool and talented guy. -- Nick Medford From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Jan 5 17:56:36 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:56:36 EST Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for literally: Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as of scripture so it's the gas bible? bob In a message dated 1/5/01 1:31:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET writes: > > cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! > btw playing the vinyl version of xenon codex now, still sounds pretty good, > though the drumming sounds a bit leaden!!! > Deffinatley not there worst album by a mile. > Can > Is the xenon codex named after that magician bloke that used to tour with > hawkwind? > > paul xenon or something? > > colm Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jan 5 18:32:53 2001 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:32:53 +0900 Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > > The risk are there. The risks are real, and Glastonbury was very lucky > not to see any of them turn sour. Eavis has made the only decision he > could, as did the local Police and Council. > For once I have to agree with the council and the police. I wasn't at last year's glasto, but I've been to every other one since 79 and it's been getting progressively more scary. And I was at Roskilde. I never, ever want to see something like that again. > Dave From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 5 18:50:01 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:50:01 EST Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Hey, Mark I've worked out the main part of Hurry On Sundown, and to me it all sounds like one chord: Db(D-flat). The bass-line is: Db-Db-B-Eb. Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave - Where do I begin?.......Fanmail aside, your music is part of my life. THANKYOU. Alan, Richard, Harvey, Tim, Simon, Jerry, Ron, Huw and Telephone Mike - Thankyou, it was wonderful. Bob Calvert - This, I am enjoying............ Keith K, you are a superstar and a really nice all round bloke (and you looked after my sword while I went for a pee!) Kris - you are the loveliest, most genuine person I have ever had the pleasure to meet (and an organisational genius). x Tone - Passport Control with a personal service! Marion - sorry I scared you with my costume! Arin - well, what can I say........you are cool. Rik Rx & Val Vx - You are lovely... 'nuff said. Whoever made the cake. Julie & Merrick - your cakes and grass............Mmmmmmm Steve - For the entertaining taxi ride - It started out with "Follow That Cab!" - the rest is history! Filip, Bernhard, Andreas, Thomas, FoFP, Jill, Ben (linuxchaos), Denis and your lovely sister :), Kevin, Mark Hasbeen, Dibs and the guy under the table!! Michael Blackman - You were there in spirit. "Flying Doctor" was for you. The bloke behind the bar in the hotel foyer!! A special hello to Trev Hughes - we got kicked out of the hotel in the early hours and disappeared into the night...... A big Boo to the xenophobic meathead door security gorillas. I'll see you all at Croydon then - No skull makeup this time!!!! Have a great new year. Keef P.S. Dave, don't forget to feed the chickens!! -- Thing Do-er Phone:0207 973 4000 Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Jan 5 19:35:02 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:35:02 +0000 Subject: HW:Astoria Message-ID: Not forgetting the bloke on sax/flute. And of course the lovely,lovely dancers!!! From grodog at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Jan 5 20:00:52 2001 From: grodog at EARTHLINK.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:00:52 -0800 Subject: off: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter Message-ID: Jon Jarrett and I wrote: > > Got this in email yesterday and tried to forward it, but I sent it > > as an attachment and the listbot nailed it. Enjoy/delete as you like > > Not unconnectedly, my second-best Christmas present was a copy of > _Elric at the End of Time_ in big format with illustrations by Rodney > Matthews. Very cool. A friend of mine was going to get it for me one year, but decided not to, saying that he thought it was a book I might rather buy for myself. > Which kicks arse anyway, but one of the illustrations is of the > band that briefly features, and though the members all appear to be > goblins and aliens, the line-up is kind of suggestive - drummer, > four-string player dead centre, stage left a creature playing a > double-necked twelve/six-string and stage right a Vorlon-like thing > playing a double-barreled saxophone or something very much like it. Small > gnome/Mekon-like creature sitting in a booth twiddling knobs... That sounds like "Encore at the End of Time" which you can also see on Matthews' web site at http://www.rodneymatthews.com/gfx/elric8.jpg > Is Mr. Matthews a fan or did someone just show him a picture? :-) Yours, Given all of the album covers he'd done over the years, many with strong Moorcock influences, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't aware of Hawkwind. Anyone know for sure? Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at earthlink.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jan 5 21:21:11 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:21:11 -0800 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:56:36 EST, Bob Lennon wrote: >I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for >literally: >Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, One of the NOBLE gaseous elements, no less, which means that: A) It tends to NOT react chemically with other elements or compounds B) If you fill a glass tube with it, and run an electrical charge through the tube, the gas will glow, just like its noble cousin, Neon >Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as of scripture Makes sense, since it was the follow-up album to the CHRONICLE of the Black Sword. >so it's the gas bible? Or the book of glowing signs? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 5 21:29:14 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:29:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: Hi Folks... As sort of a followup to the earlier posting of the Top 100 sellers in 2000 (if that's what they truly were...I've already seen another list that differed somewhat), I noticed that VH-1 was doing a special thing featuring their crack team's picks for the best rock albums of all time. (I think they must have been *on* crack.) :) Unlike the 2000 list, I actually have some of these! About a quarter, in one way or another. But then, I think this list is absolute crap. But then I suppose VH-1 is hardly the arbiter of good taste. :) Look at this thing in total, and compare the contribution from 'R&B' (or whatever it's called), both old and new, much of which is debatable whether it belongs anywhere near a 'rock' list...And then consider the paucity of representation by the classic rock genre here. All of the timeless, proggish music of the 1970s is represented by DSotM and nothing more. The Who, Led Zeppelin, and Hendrix too maybe, but those are representative of far more people's tastes than DSotM, even though DSotM perhaps sold as many. But ignoring Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Yes, Tull, BOC, Moody Blues, Procol Harum/Trower, Genesis, Rush, Judas Priest. That's just stupid. I can see leaving out the bulk (or all) of the 1980's hair metal, but they didn't even include a token Metallica (I don't own any of their CDs either, but they certainly deserve an inclusion). (And forget Motorhead!) Even 'krautrock' did better than the bulk of 'progressive' styles, with a Kraftwerk inclusion (though doesn't this album kinda suck?) and Velvet Underground (which in a way began krautrock IMH(Revisionist)O). Man, 'prog' (not that I'm its greatest defender in the purest sense) is really a naughty word these days, moreso than I realized. These people must be the same people who are voting for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Shame. Hardly matches my perception of what was important in rock over the years....not even close really. I suppose I shouldn't be amazed by this revelation, but I can't seem to come to grips with it. Seems so revisionist (in a way that's irreconcilable with my own revisionist views). So, 10 years from now, which ones of these are going to seem the silliest? I wonder if MC Hammer & Vanilla Ice appeared on the list from 1990? :) Grakkl (FAA) **1.The Beatles - Revolver **2.Nirvana - Nevermind 3.Beach Boys - Pet Sounds 4.Marvin Gaye - What's Going On 5.Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced? 6.The Beatles - Rubber Soul 7.Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life 8.The Beatles - Abbey Road 9.Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde 10.The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 11.The Beatles - The Beatles (A.K.A. The White Album) 12.The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street *13.The Who - Who's Next ***14.Joni Mitchell - Blue 15.U2 - The Joshua Tree 16.Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 17.Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols 18.Prince & The Revolution - Purple Rain *19.The Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground & Nico 20.Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back 21.Elvis Presley - Sun Sessions 22.Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited 23.Michael Jackson - Thriller 24.The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed 25.The Clash - London Calling ***26.Bob Marley & The Wailers - Exodus 27.Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run 28.Patti Smith - Horses 29.Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks 30.Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved A Man (The Way I Love You) 31.Stevie Wonder - Innervisions 32.Van Morrison - Moondance ***33.Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water 34.James Brown - Sex Machine 35.Prince - Sign O' The Times 36.Michael Jackson - Off The Wall 37.Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill 38.Eagles - Hotel California 39.Carole King - Tapestry 40.Van Morrison - Astral Weeks 41.Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul **42.Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction *43.Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin *44.Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II 45.Sly & The Family Stone - Stand! 46.The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers 47.David Bowie - Hunky Dory 48.David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust 49.Prince - 1999 *50.Police - Synchronicity *51.Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon 52.Pretenders - Pretenders 53.Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home 54.Ramones - Ramones 55.Parliament - Mothership Connection ***56.Kraftwork (sic) - Trans-Europe Express 57.Bee Gees - Saturday Night Fever 58.Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis 59.Allman Bros. Band - Live At The Fillmore East ***60.The Doors - The Doors 61.Crosby Stills Nash & Young - Deja Vu 62.NWA - Straight Outta Compton 63.Curtis Mayfield - Superfly 64.Miles Davis - Bitches Brew 65.U2 - Achtung Baby 66.Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue 67.The Rolling Stones - Beggar's Banquet 68.Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town *69.The Stooges - Raw Power 70.Al Green - Call Me *71.Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffitti *72.Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland 73.Jeff Buckley - Grace 74.Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique ***75.The Replacements - Let It Be 76.Aretha Franklin - Young Gifted & Black ***77.James Taylor - Sweet Baby James *78.Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold As Love *79.Pearl Jam - Ten 80.Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True 81.Otis Redding - Otis Blue 82.AC/DC - Back In Black 83.Television - Marquee Moon *84.Paul Simon - Graceland ***85.Santana - Abraxas *86.The Who - Quadrophenia *87.Cream - Disraeli Gears *88.Talking Heads - Remain In Light 89.Derek & The Dominos - Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs 90.The Who - Tommy 91.Peter Gabriel - So 92.REM - Murmur 93.Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends **94.Radiohead - OK Computer 95.Tina Turner - Private Dancer 96.Liz Phair - Exile In Guyville 97.Ray Charles - Modern Sounds In Country And Western Music 98.Jackson Five - ABC 99.The B-52s - The B-52s 100.Madonna - Like A Prayer * What I own, and actually like to some degree (15) ** What I own, and don't really like (some Columbia House 'freebies') (4) *** What I don't own exactly, but own something similar, or a compilation by the artist of similar content (included only once, for those with multiple entries) (8) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jan 5 21:59:10 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:59:10 -0500 Subject: BOC:/OFF: The *real* top 100 Message-ID: Hi again... Just realized that they have a handful of other lists from this VH-1 series, including what I see as the 'real' Top 100 of all-time list. Instead of albums, this is of 'hard rock artists.' Hard to see how Black Sabbath can finish second here (deservedly) and not get a single album into the top 100. I was a bit surprised that I still only came up with 41% of these artists in my collection of a few thousand CD's, but then they seemed to think that Ratt, Quiet Riot, Foreigner, and Meat Loaf were somehow worthy of mention, diluting the final numbers. I promise I'll stop now. At least this time, I found BOC here! Being below Korn though (one of the most awful bands I ever had the pleasure of seeing...for exactly two songs following Monster Magnet) makes me want to vomit. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Including Spinal Tap is rich. *1.Led Zeppelin *2.Black Sabbath *3.Jimi Hendrix 4.AC/DC 5.Metallica *6.Nirvana 7.Van Halen *8.The Who **9.Guns N' Roses 10.KISS 11.Aerosmith 12.The Sex Pistols 13.Queen 14.Soundgarden *15.Pink Floyd *16.Cream 17.The Ramones *18.Ozzy Osbourne 19.The Clash 20.Alice Cooper *21.Pearl Jam *22.Deep Purple *23.Judas Priest 24.Iron Maiden 25.Cheap Trick *26.Motorhead *27.Iggy Pop/ The Stooges *28.Rush 29.Motley Crue 30.Red Hot Chili Peppers 31.Def Leppard **32.The Doors 33.Rage Against The Machine 34.Alice in Chains *35.Jane's Addiction **36.Frank Zappa **37.Yardbirds **38.MC5 39.Neil Young & Crazy Horse 40.Stone Temple Pilots **41.Ted Nugent 42.The Kinks 43.Nine Inch Nails **44.ZZ Top 45.Pantera *46.Scorpions 47.The Rollins Band/ Black Flag **48.Janis Joplin **49.Smashing Pumpkins 50.Slayer 51.Thin Lizzy 52.Faith No More 53.Korn 54.Sonic Youth *55.Blue Oyster Cult 56.White Zombie/ Rob Zombie **57.Heart 58.Anthrax **59.Bad Company 60.The New York Dolls *61.Jethro Tull 62.Ministry 63.Boston *64.Steppenwolf *65.The Cult 66.Joan Jett and the Blackhearts 67.Rolling Stones *68.Husker Du 69.Megadeth 70.Living Colour **71.Lynyrd Skynyrd 72.Foo Fighters 73.Twisted Sister 74.Pat Benatar *75.Spinal Tap 76.Bon Jovi 77.Hole 78.Marilyn Manson 79.Ratt 80.Green Day 81.Pixies *82.Queensryche **83.King's X *84.UFO *85.Whitesnake 86.Foreigner *87.King Crimson 88.Tool 89.Lita Ford *90.Rainbow 91.The Misfits 92.The Black Crowes 93.Lenny Kravitz *94.Yes 95.Fugazi 96.Meat Loaf 97.Primus 98.Mountain 99.Bad Brains 100.Quiet Riot * Artists represented by multiple albums (28) ** Artists represented by a token album/compilation (13) From swann at CUGC.ORG Fri Jan 5 22:37:03 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:37:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <01c201c0775d$f730ac80$3b68883e@bedroomt>; from bedroom trancer on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:24:55PM -0000 Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:24:55PM -0000, bedroom trancer wrote: > cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! > btw playing the vinyl version of xenon codex now, still sounds pretty good, > though the drumming sounds a bit leaden!!! ROFL! My initial reaction on purchasing Xenon Codex back in my college days was that it was the worst thing ever. Then I came to the conclusion that it was mostly the drumming (leaden, and mixed way too far forward in the mix) that was making me hate it. Especially since the album that had really gotten me into Hawkwind was Levitation, and despite what people might say about his attitude, Ginger Baker seems to have an almost uncanny sense for the exact right riff for every situation. Anyway, I gave Xenon Codex a second chance, and discovered that I really liked Sword of the East, Neon Skyline and (especially) Lost Chronicles (that last being probably my favorite Hawkwind intrumental ever). Does the remix change anything significant about the overall sound? Steve From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Jan 5 23:18:45 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:18:45 -0500 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead Message-ID: I was not at the Astoria gig, but I was disappointed to read in an earlier post that Spacehead was not very good at this gig. I have only heard on Spacehead CD - In Space We Trust - Live 1995 - 1998. I really love this CD and was hoping that would have been great at Astoria. If this CD is representative of their sound, I can't wait to hear more. I have also heard the track on the EBS Comp, but don't remember it. I know that they did a CD - Of Stars and Time, but have not heard it yet. Is there more? Chris From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 6 02:37:29 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:07:29 +1030 Subject: hawkwind website Message-ID: > don't you think the revolving time display on the guest book page of the > hawkwind site is one of the collest things ever???? > Does it show the correct time wherever you view the site in any part of the > world? I believe so australia ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 5:23 AM Subject: hawkwind website > don't you think the revolving time display on the guest book page of the > hawkwind site is one of the collest things ever???? > Does it show the correct time wherever you view the site in any part of the > world? > > colm > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 6 02:43:11 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:13:11 +1030 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Isn't xenon an element or gas and a codex alike a book or scripture? MB ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: Re: HW: Xenon Codex > cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! > btw playing the vinyl version of xenon codex now, still sounds pretty good, > though the drumming sounds a bit leaden!!! > Deffinatley not there worst album by a mile. > Can > Is the xenon codex named after that magician bloke that used to tour with > hawkwind? > > paul xenon or something? > > colm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Captain Bl at ck > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 05 January 2001 20:56 > Subject: Re: HW: Xenon Codex > > > >Funny thing, but I was actually on the phone today to the chap who > >engineered it, Tim 'Bay City Roller', otherwise known as Tim Lewis aka > >Thighpaulsandra aka Bobby Nolan. These days he occupies himself being > Julian > >Cope's keyboard player. > > > >Nice guy too. > > > >Captain Bl at ck > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Nick Medford > >To: > >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 6:02 PM > >Subject: HW: Xenon Codex > > > > > >> Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still > >strikes me > >> as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the > biggest > >> problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying > >to > >> escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered > >> version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard > >> both? > >> -- > >> Nick Medford > > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 6 02:52:10 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:22:10 +1030 Subject: HW:Astoria Message-ID: >Michael Blackman - You were there in spirit. "Flying Doctor" was for >you. Hey thanks Keith - I most certainly was there in spirit - I stayed up very late for just that very reason - It was 10:30 - 11pm when ya'll passport holders got in : and I wished you all a jolly time. Then stayed a wake untill 3pm mixing our new song and wishing I was there..... I will not miss the next one. I've heard of a Jan 19th gig? Any fancy plans around that one? Michael 'Blackhawk' Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: HW:Astoria > Hello, > > What a fantastic day . The best Xmas present this year. > The bands were great. The sound was great. The crowd was great. More > please. > It was so nice to meet all you lot again ( I'm not going to list you > all - you know who you are) > but a big kudos to the following people......... > > Dave - Where do I begin?.......Fanmail aside, your music is part of my > life. THANKYOU. > Alan, Richard, Harvey, Tim, Simon, Jerry, Ron, Huw and Telephone Mike - > Thankyou, it was wonderful. > Bob Calvert - This, I am enjoying............ > Keith K, you are a superstar and a really nice all round bloke (and you > looked after my sword while I went for a pee!) > Kris - you are the loveliest, most genuine person I have ever had the > pleasure to meet (and an organisational genius). x > Tone - Passport Control with a personal service! > Marion - sorry I scared you with my costume! > Arin - well, what can I say........you are cool. > Rik Rx & Val Vx - You are lovely... 'nuff said. > Whoever made the cake. > Julie & Merrick - your cakes and grass............Mmmmmmm > Steve - For the entertaining taxi ride - It started out with "Follow > That Cab!" - the rest is history! > Filip, Bernhard, Andreas, Thomas, FoFP, Jill, Ben (linuxchaos), Denis > and your lovely sister :), Kevin, Mark Hasbeen, Dibs and the guy under > the table!! > Michael Blackman - You were there in spirit. "Flying Doctor" was for > you. > The bloke behind the bar in the hotel foyer!! > A special hello to Trev Hughes - we got kicked out of the hotel in the > early hours and disappeared into the night...... > > A big Boo to the xenophobic meathead door security gorillas. > > I'll see you all at Croydon then - No skull makeup this time!!!! > > Have a great new year. > > Keef > > P.S. Dave, don't forget to feed the chickens!! > > -- > Thing Do-er Phone:0207 973 4000 > Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 > 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 > London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk > +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Jan 6 04:51:05 2001 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:51:05 +1100 Subject: HW: Legends? Message-ID: On 5 Jan 2001, at 19:28, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > I think this will be the Nottingham 90 set - ie the audio to the video > Live Legends?? > > Alasdair Might be, but there's another title "Nottingham Live" on the same label also listed which I assumed was Live Legends S. > > On 5 Jan 01, at 20:46, Sonique wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > anyone know anything about this title I just found on Amazon? > > > > Legends Collection (UK); ASIN: B000056V2T > > > > Apparrently to be released on Feb 13 .... > > > > Sonique > > > > > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: > 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) > From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 6 06:06:10 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:06:10 -0000 Subject: HW Fairfield Halls Message-ID: Moved to 25th March according to the Fathead Halls. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 6 06:06:34 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:06:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Try playing chords D-C-G, C-G --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > Hey, Mark > > I've worked out the main part of Hurry On Sundown, and to me it all sounds > like one chord: Db(D-flat). The bass-line is: Db-Db-B-Eb. > > Joe Loehr > From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 6 06:12:18 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:12:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Actually, D-C-G-D, C-G-D (forgot that it returns to D at the end of each phrase). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > Try playing chords D-C-G, C-G > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Loehr > To: > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > Hey, Mark > > > > I've worked out the main part of Hurry On Sundown, and to me it all sounds > > like one chord: Db(D-flat). The bass-line is: Db-Db-B-Eb. > > > > Joe Loehr > > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 06:43:26 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:43:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Message-ID: Hello Folks We don't know why Fairfield Hall is advertising a HW gig on 19th January. Hawkwind are not playing there until March. We will contact them immediately and find out what they are playing at. Apologies to everyone who has bought tickets and made plans. Soon as we find out more information about this, we will post here and on Mission Control. On a lighter note, a big thankyou to all who attended the Christmas Party gig, the band all enjoyed themselves and the recording is fab. More on that later. We will post band comments, highs and lows etc up on MC in the next few days. Happy New Year to all Best wishes Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 6 06:48:07 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:48:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Message-ID: hi kris anychance of releasing the recording for hawkwind passport holders???? cheers colm On a lighter note, a big thankyou to all who attended the Christmas Party gig, the band all enjoyed themselves and the recording is fab. More on that later. We will post band comments, highs and lows etc up on MC in the next few days. From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 6 07:38:16 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:38:16 +0000 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead In-Reply-To: <3A569CA5.7012DD76@tiac.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Chris Raymond wrote: > I was not at the Astoria gig, but I was disappointed to read in an > earlier post that Spacehead was not very good at this gig. I have only > heard on Spacehead CD - In Space We Trust - Live 1995 - 1998. I really > love this CD and was hoping that would have been great at Astoria. If > this CD is representative of their sound, I can't wait to hear more. I Well, I thought the cover of Paranoid was excellent but the rest a bit also-ran and not as god as the CD, which I rather like. Does that help? Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Brain Surgeons - Box of Hammers From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 6 09:35:04 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:35:04 +0800 Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Message-ID: Hi there Maybe it's Nikwind? William ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Hello Folks We don't know why Fairfield Hall is advertising a HW gig on 19th January. Hawkwind are not playing there until March. We will contact them immediately and find out what they are playing at. Apologies to everyone who has bought tickets and made plans. Soon as we find out more information about this, we will post here and on Mission Control. On a lighter note, a big thankyou to all who attended the Christmas Party gig, the band all enjoyed themselves and the recording is fab. More on that later. We will post band comments, highs and lows etc up on MC in the next few days. Happy New Year to all Best wishes Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coral at APORT.RU Sat Jan 6 11:34:47 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:34:47 +0300 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: The Xenon Codex was among first Hawk albums I'b bought and for long time it was my fave studio album. I liked everything in it, especially sound experiments at the end of the album. > My initial reaction on purchasing Xenon Codex back in my college days > was that it was the worst thing ever. Then I came to the conclusion > that it was mostly the drumming (leaden, and mixed way too far forward > in the mix) that was making me hate it. Especially since the album > that had really gotten me into Hawkwind was Levitation, and despite > what people might say about his attitude, Ginger Baker seems to have > an almost uncanny sense for the exact right riff for every situation. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 11:48:57 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:48:57 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/30/00 Message-ID: 12/30/00 (5-8pm PST) 1.Pressurehed--Wired for Sound (Asphyxiation Mix) 2.Muslim Gauze--Sarin Adour (Hussein Mahmood Jeeb Tehar Gass) 3.Quarkspace--Outerspace Highway (Hidden Moon) 4.F/i--And So it Goes (Danse Macabre) 5.Escapade--Maelstrom Machine (Remembrance of Things Unknown) 6.Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus--Rainstorm (ST'd) 7.Salome--Easter Island (a.m.) 8.Heavenly Music Corporation--Octal (Anechoic) 9.Cyber Zen Sound Engine--Mare Serenetatis (Moonscapes) 10.Moondance Experiment--The Most Amazing Thing I've Ever Seen/ A Moment Before Rising/Savor (Your Movements) 11.Anubian Lights--Field of Reeds (The Eternal Sky) 12.Hawkwind--Images (Space Bandits) 13.Afresco Mantis--The Yarn of Many (Harris Tweed EP) 14.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Beyond the Light (The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of...) 15.Orb--Bang 'Er 'N Chips (Pomme Fritz) 16.Circle--Promenaadikeskus (Pori) 17.Avey Tare and Panda Bear--La Rapet (Spirit They're Gone...) 18.Amon Duul 2--Burning Sister/Halluzination Guillotine (Yeti) 19.Chrome--Creature Eternal (Half Machine Lip Moves; Chrome Box) 20.Pink Floyd--Lucifer Sam (Piper at the Gates of Dawn) 21.Gong--Magic Mother Invocation (You) 22.Hawkwind--Ghost Dance (Anthology/Acid Daze) 23.Gong--Master Builder (You) 24.Fripp & Eno--Wind on Water (Evening Star; Space Daze 2000 comp) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 6 11:51:30 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:21:30 +1030 Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Message-ID: Whats Happening in March - any sneak peaks??? :) Did you get my previous email?... my busy little bee?? Michael Oz Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: HW: Fairfield Hall gig Hello Folks We don't know why Fairfield Hall is advertising a HW gig on 19th January. Hawkwind are not playing there until March. We will contact them immediately and find out what they are playing at. Apologies to everyone who has bought tickets and made plans. Soon as we find out more information about this, we will post here and on Mission Control. On a lighter note, a big thankyou to all who attended the Christmas Party gig, the band all enjoyed themselves and the recording is fab. More on that later. We will post band comments, highs and lows etc up on MC in the next few days. Happy New Year to all Best wishes Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:05:35 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:05:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: you're kidding!!!!!! Hawkwind lumped in with that lot - hellfire, that means I've got to sit and watch the rest of it now. Much as I love the music of many of those bands, I can't help but 'get a bad feeling' about this programme - I shall be watching from behind a cushion!!! Embarassment factor one, Scotty....... Andy Garibaldi (slightly apprehensive). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: Top 10 show > The show is the Top 10 of Progressive Rock. > > Mostly 70's bands, including Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes, Rush, Jethro Tull, > Hawkwind, Camel and a couple of others who I forget (maybe VDGG?). > > Probably in that order too, as chart position is based on record sales. > > Captain Bl at ck > > , ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Litchfield > To: > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:14 PM > Subject: HW: Top 10 show > > > > Anyone have news on when the Chrysalis Top 10 featuring HW will go out, > > and what theme the show will use? > > > > Steve Litchfield > > PS> Thanks for all the 'Best HW moments' comments, I've logged ALL of them > > and am producing a special web page summary - watch this space 8-))))))) > > No prizes for guessing the overall number 1 though! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:17:17 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:17:17 -0000 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead Message-ID: OK - my label, my shout. First, 'Of Stars And Time' is really for 'collectors only' - it has not at all stood the test of time very well (even Dibs admits that) which, considering it's only about four years old, is not saying alot for it. Secondly, ''In Space We Trust' that I put out is supposed to be a a time travelogue across the three phases of the band that the compositions cover, from the tracks originally off the 'Anasazi' tape' through the tracks from the Hawkwind tour support slot with Graham of Gong and Martin of Krel, to the studio outtake from the then current band, so, while good (well, I love it - obviously), it's not 'representative' of the current band. It is hoped that the next release will be an 'In Space We Trust Vol 2' that takes the idea from a different angle and focuses on the current band, but is NOT the new studio follow-up to the first album (the EBS released 'Of Stars And Time'). A sample of the sound and style of that album can be heard on the EP of demos from the album that make up the CD-R release 'Escape Velocity Preview EP', but I won't be releasing the new album until the quality of the tracks is at a standard that I see fit. As to the Astoria, I wasn't there, so I can't comment. I have had calls from a number of people who really enjoyed the set, and from a number of people who thought the band were a bit 'one-dimensional' - whatever the case, I hope you will all judge the band's next album on its own musical merits, whenever that happens. Right now, I have the pleasure of ploughing through five CD-R's and four DAT's of new and old music from Krel and that will hopefully be the next project to come. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:18 AM Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead > I was not at the Astoria gig, but I was disappointed to read in an > earlier post that Spacehead was not very good at this gig. I have only > heard on Spacehead CD - In Space We Trust - Live 1995 - 1998. I really > love this CD and was hoping that would have been great at Astoria. If > this CD is representative of their sound, I can't wait to hear more. I > have also heard the track on the EBS Comp, but don't remember it. I know > that they did a CD - Of Stars and Time, but have not heard it yet. Is > there more? > Chris From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:26:34 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:26:34 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion - that's how dirty a word it is in the UK media right now. Also it's no secret that on daytime Radio One, Mark Radcliffe openly professes his love for seventies bands such as Hawkwind and Budgie, albeit in his own inimitable style, but of course hecan never play any on the show, because of the dreaded Radio One Playlist, but at least we get the occasional glimpse, and some cracking 'records of the week'. Also, anyone notice how the UK mag, 'Classic Rock' started way back with loads of stuff on prog bands, glowing reviews of prog bands albums and has now developed into an 'old person's Kerrang' with prog getting hardly a look-in and most prog albums trashed to the hilt. Strange times we live in......what happened to culture? (please - no jokes about the reggae band, thanks!!!) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > Man, 'prog' (not that I'm its greatest defender in the purest sense) is > really a naughty word these days, moreso than I realized. These people must > be the same people who are voting for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Shame. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:30:50 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:30:50 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: These are the only ones I own (see below) - I think the Santana, Floyd and T.Heads sound rather dated, the Zep is their finest hour, the Pearl Jam is one of the finest rock albums of the nineties, the Television is dominated by the immensity of the title track and the Allmans is simply the best live album ever made, of which I now have five versions. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:29 AM Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > Hi Folks... > > As sort of a followup to the earlier posting of the Top 100 sellers in 2000 > (if that's what they truly were...I've already seen another list that > differed somewhat), I noticed that VH-1 was doing a special thing featuring > their crack team's picks for the best rock albums of all time. (I think > they must have been *on* crack.) :) > > *51.Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon > 59.Allman Bros. Band - Live At The Fillmore East > *71.Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffitti > *79.Pearl Jam - Ten > 83.Television - Marquee Moon > ***85.Santana - Abraxas > *88.Talking Heads - Remain In Light From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:33:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:33:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: No Glasto 2001 Message-ID: ah - you see that's what happens when you don't know the facts - I withdraw my cynical comments and can but agree entirely with you. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: OFF: No Glasto 2001 > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > so all the other festival promotors will be clapping their hands with glee - > > unless of course the councils concerned and police follow suit and become > > so overly 'concerned' that things disappear altogether.. > > It's a fair call after Roskilde. I was at Glastonbury last year and there > were various ways in which it could have been dangerous as a result of > as many people gatecrashing as legitimate revellers. Obviously there > were health dangers from overload of the sanitary and litter collection > facilities. There were several times when overcrowding was hostage to a > single incident causing a panic. Fences were knocked down with unconcern > as to anyone who might be crushed on the other side. Most dangerous of > all, tents were forced into a situation where they were 4 inches apart > at best, with open fires well within risky distances from same. If > you've ever seen a tent go up, it's impressive. It takes ahandful of > seconds and anyone inside has sticky burning nylon (think napalm) > falling onto them. Worse, any tent within a few feet (safe distance at > legal campsites is 12 feet) may follow suit, with the probability of > this happening higher with shorter distances. Unless someone is quick > enough off the mark with closely packed tents (I.E rips enough of the > nearby tents out of the ground to create a firebreak, you can easily > have a wall of flame within a few minutes. If you run from that at > Glastonbury when it's crowded, you'll come to a hdge, or worse, a 12 > foot high metal fence. And tents were often camped in roadways so a fire > tender would be unlikely to arrive quickly. This in a situation where > drunk and stonedpeople are negotiating a route in the dark through tents > almost on top of each other, and often carrying flares or lettng off > fireworks. > > The risk are there. The risks are real, and Glastonbury was very lucky > not to see any of them turn sour. Eavis has made the only decision he > could, as did the local Police and Council. > > I'm a great Glastonbury fan (I've been to 11 of them) but unless they can > put a stop to those who only want to steal from the festival and who cause > danger to others by their selfishness, then I agree that it'll have to > stop. If the Staag Luft 13 model pioneered at the Ise of Wight can't do > it (Eavis has a 25 foot interlinked fence planned for 2002) then sadly > that'll be the end of it. > > That's my 89 quid's worth anyway... > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 13:36:40 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:36:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: well I think it does....but I'd love to hear what others have to say. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Swann" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: Xenon Codex > Does the remix change anything significant about the overall sound? > > Steve From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Jan 6 13:26:08 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:26:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Updates / Announcements Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS PLEASE NOTE THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON MC RE: CROYDON GIG THIS WILL BE MARCH, AND NOT JANUARY AS ANNOUNCED BY THE VENUE.... FULL DETAILS ON MISSION CONTROL AS THEY ARE RELEASED........ ++ MC site updates........ Catalogue section expanded... First 2 pages of Hawkxmas videocaps uploaded... 35mm scans to be up in the next few hours..... WWW.HAWKWIND.ORG.UK ++MESSAGE ENDS From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 6 13:32:07 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:32:07 -0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: hi there Just wondering am i right in thinking that Dr Technical is Dave Brock??? And does anyone know if robert calvert every performed farenheit 451 with hawkwind? And was it ever recored in the studio or on a live bootleg? Did calvert era hawkwind/hawklords/sonic assassins (75-78) ever play any of calverts songs off lucky lief or captain lockhead. 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URL: From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 6 13:33:48 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:33:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: i remeber when mark radcliffe used to have an evening show on radio 1 many years ago he used to regular play hawkwind songs. colm -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 January 2001 18:26 Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion - that's >how dirty a word it is in the UK media right now. >Also it's no secret that on daytime Radio One, Mark Radcliffe openly >professes his love for seventies bands such as Hawkwind and Budgie, albeit >in his own inimitable style, but of course hecan never play any on the show, >because of the dreaded Radio One Playlist, but at least we get the >occasional glimpse, and some cracking 'records of the week'. >Also, anyone notice how the UK mag, 'Classic Rock' started way back with >loads of stuff on prog bands, glowing reviews of prog bands albums and has >now developed into an 'old person's Kerrang' with prog getting hardly a >look-in and most prog albums trashed to the hilt. Strange times we live >in......what happened to culture? >(please - no jokes about the reggae band, thanks!!!) >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "K Henderson" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:29 AM >Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > >> Man, 'prog' (not that I'm its greatest defender in the purest sense) is >> really a naughty word these days, moreso than I realized. These people >must >> be the same people who are voting for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Shame. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 6 13:38:00 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:38:00 -0000 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead Message-ID: when i saw spacehead at the xmas gig i thought the buy playing bass guitar was too loud in the mix and with the drums smoothered everyhing thing else to such an extent you couldn't really hear the guy playing lead guitar or keith kniveton synth work and wasn't there a woman up there too playing keyboards?? You also couldn't hear her contributions. colm -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 January 2001 18:27 Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead >OK - my label, my shout. >First, 'Of Stars And Time' is really for 'collectors only' - it has not at >all stood the test of time very well (even Dibs admits that) which, >considering it's only about four years old, is not saying alot for it. >Secondly, ''In Space We Trust' that I put out is supposed to be a a time >travelogue across the three phases of the band that the compositions cover, >from the tracks originally off the 'Anasazi' tape' through the tracks from >the Hawkwind tour support slot with Graham of Gong and Martin of Krel, to >the studio outtake from the then current band, so, while good (well, I love >it - obviously), it's not 'representative' of the current band. >It is hoped that the next release will be an 'In Space We Trust Vol 2' that >takes the idea from a different angle and focuses on the current band, but >is NOT the new studio follow-up to the first album (the EBS released 'Of >Stars And Time'). >A sample of the sound and style of that album can be heard on the EP of >demos from the album that make up the CD-R release 'Escape Velocity Preview >EP', but I won't be releasing the new album until the quality of the tracks >is at a standard that I see fit. >As to the Astoria, I wasn't there, so I can't comment. I have had calls from >a number of people who really enjoyed the set, and from a number of people >who thought the band were a bit 'one-dimensional' - whatever the case, I >hope you will all judge the band's next album on its own musical merits, >whenever that happens. >Right now, I have the pleasure of ploughing through five CD-R's and four >DAT's of new and old music from Krel and that will hopefully be the next >project to come. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Raymond" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:18 AM >Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead > > >> I was not at the Astoria gig, but I was disappointed to read in an >> earlier post that Spacehead was not very good at this gig. I have only >> heard on Spacehead CD - In Space We Trust - Live 1995 - 1998. I really >> love this CD and was hoping that would have been great at Astoria. If >> this CD is representative of their sound, I can't wait to hear more. I >> have also heard the track on the EBS Comp, but don't remember it. I know >> that they did a CD - Of Stars and Time, but have not heard it yet. Is >> there more? >> Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 13:36:51 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:36:51 +0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: <20010105164456.C14170@telepres.com> Message-ID: In article <20010105164456.C14170 at telepres.com>, Eric Siegerman writes >> (NICK TURNER, TERRY OLLIS, HUE LLOYD LANGTON, DIK MIK, THOMAS CRIMBOL) >> ?10.00 > >Somebody at Ticketweb should learn to spell :-/ or maybe it's the drummer from Lords Of The New Church fronting this time. or not. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 13:43:53 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:43:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <01c201c0775d$f730ac80$3b68883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: In article <01c201c0775d$f730ac80$3b68883e at bedroomt>, bedroom trancer writes >cool!!!! a link between hawkwind and julian cope!!!! Thighpaulsandra rules. He's also in Coil and Spiritualised full time. He doesn't work with Julian *too* much these days, but he did do a guest spot at the Shepherd's Bush gig the other day. Fans of analog burp synth a la Klaus Shulze should try and get the Queen Elizabeth CD's he did with Julian on mellotron, only released mail order. Really. -- Jon PS I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Jan 6 14:17:16 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:17:16 -0600 Subject: HW: a couple of after party party pics Message-ID: Thanks to Merrick and Bernhard, a pair of after party party pics. Guess who isn't in the band ;-) http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/HWIND.jpg http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/hwind2.jpg Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 6 14:34:20 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:34:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: I've remembered the other two bands...ELO and Barclay James Harvest. Sorry Andy. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: Top 10 show > you're kidding!!!!!! Hawkwind lumped in with that lot - hellfire, that means > I've got to sit and watch the rest of it now. Much as I love the music of > many of those bands, I can't help but 'get a bad feeling' about this > programme - I shall be watching from behind a cushion!!! Embarassment factor > one, Scotty....... > Andy Garibaldi (slightly apprehensive). > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Captain Bl at ck" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Top 10 show > > > > The show is the Top 10 of Progressive Rock. > > > > Mostly 70's bands, including Floyd, Genesis, ELP, Yes, Rush, Jethro Tull, > > Hawkwind, Camel and a couple of others who I forget (maybe VDGG?). > > > > Probably in that order too, as chart position is based on record sales. > > > > Captain Bl at ck > > > > , ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Litchfield > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:14 PM > > Subject: HW: Top 10 show > > > > > > > Anyone have news on when the Chrysalis Top 10 featuring HW will go out, > > > and what theme the show will use? > > > > > > Steve Litchfield > > > PS> Thanks for all the 'Best HW moments' comments, I've logged ALL of > them > > > and am producing a special web page summary - watch this space 8-))))))) > > > No prizes for guessing the overall number 1 though! From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 6 14:38:55 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:38:55 -0000 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead Message-ID: During Spacehead's set, somebody in the audience shouted "Turn the Audio Generators off", or it could have been "Turn the Audio Generators up". I'm more inclined to believe the former, but I could be wrong. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead > when i saw spacehead at the xmas gig i thought the buy playing bass guitar > was too loud in the mix and with the drums smoothered everyhing thing else > to such an extent you couldn't really hear the guy playing lead guitar or > keith kniveton synth work and wasn't there a woman up there too playing > keyboards?? You also couldn't hear her contributions. > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 06 January 2001 18:27 > Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead > > > >OK - my label, my shout. > >First, 'Of Stars And Time' is really for 'collectors only' - it has not at > >all stood the test of time very well (even Dibs admits that) which, > >considering it's only about four years old, is not saying alot for it. > >Secondly, ''In Space We Trust' that I put out is supposed to be a a time > >travelogue across the three phases of the band that the compositions cover, > >from the tracks originally off the 'Anasazi' tape' through the tracks from > >the Hawkwind tour support slot with Graham of Gong and Martin of Krel, to > >the studio outtake from the then current band, so, while good (well, I love > >it - obviously), it's not 'representative' of the current band. > >It is hoped that the next release will be an 'In Space We Trust Vol 2' that > >takes the idea from a different angle and focuses on the current band, but > >is NOT the new studio follow-up to the first album (the EBS released 'Of > >Stars And Time'). > >A sample of the sound and style of that album can be heard on the EP of > >demos from the album that make up the CD-R release 'Escape Velocity Preview > >EP', but I won't be releasing the new album until the quality of the tracks > >is at a standard that I see fit. > >As to the Astoria, I wasn't there, so I can't comment. I have had calls > from > >a number of people who really enjoyed the set, and from a number of people > >who thought the band were a bit 'one-dimensional' - whatever the case, I > >hope you will all judge the band's next album on its own musical merits, > >whenever that happens. > >Right now, I have the pleasure of ploughing through five CD-R's and four > >DAT's of new and old music from Krel and that will hopefully be the next > >project to come. > >Andy Garibaldi. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Raymond" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:18 AM > >Subject: Re: HW:Astoria - Spacehead > > > > > >> I was not at the Astoria gig, but I was disappointed to read in an > >> earlier post that Spacehead was not very good at this gig. I have only > >> heard on Spacehead CD - In Space We Trust - Live 1995 - 1998. I really > >> love this CD and was hoping that would have been great at Astoria. If > >> this CD is representative of their sound, I can't wait to hear more. I > >> have also heard the track on the EBS Comp, but don't remember it. I know > >> that they did a CD - Of Stars and Time, but have not heard it yet. Is > >> there more? > >> Chris From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 6 14:37:26 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:37:26 -0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: Paul Rudolph played lead on Kerb Crawler, Chronoglide Skyway, and possibly Back On the Streets and Assassins of Allah. And yes, Dr. Technical is Dave Brock, along with one or two other aliases. Can't imagine HW 75-78 ever playing any songs from Lucky Lief, but Lockheed? Someone on here should be able to answer that. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid hi there Just wondering am i right in thinking that Dr Technical is Dave Brock??? And does anyone know if robert calvert every performed farenheit 451 with hawkwind? And was it ever recored in the studio or on a live bootleg? Did calvert era hawkwind/hawklords/sonic assassins (75-78) ever play any of calverts songs off lucky lief or captain lockhead. And lastly on atomhenge double cd and on astounding sounds is some of the guitar parts played by paul rudolph? cheers colm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 15:24:59 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:24:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list In-Reply-To: <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 15:23:41 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:23:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show In-Reply-To: <00bc01c07818$6423f440$201028d5@starfield> Message-ID: In message <00bc01c07818$6423f440$201028d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >I've remembered the other two bands...ELO and Barclay James Harvest. Gawd preserve us. Only a media exec could straight-facedly claim that Hawkwind and ELO were part of the same 'genre'. The programme sounds fascinating, though most of the fascination will be of the morbid variety I suspect. Why doesn't some TV crew with a bit more wit and imagination do the "Top 10 bands for blowing your mind, turning your life upside down and generally making you question the very fabric of reality"? Hell, that would be a public service broadcast if it ever made it onto the nation's screens. Aside from HW, I'd have Gong and Psychic TV as my 2 and 3 in such a list (PTV for the ideas rather than the patchy musical output). Coil and Can would in there somewhere too. Any other offers? -- Nick Medford From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 15:45:56 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:45:56 EST Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/01 2:40:28 PM, starfield at SUPANET.COM writes: << Paul Rudolph played lead on Assassins of Allah. == dont mind me for asking "how do you know"? not that there's much lead on that song and he'd already been sacked.... "<>" From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 15:52:42 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:52:42 +0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >In a message dated 1/6/01 2:40:28 PM, starfield at SUPANET.COM writes: > ><< Paul Rudolph played lead on Assassins of Allah. > > == >dont mind me for asking "how do you know"? >not that there's much lead on that song >and he'd already been sacked.... > >"<>" Thought we were talking "Atomhenge '76" here? Isn't it all from the same gig then? -- Nick Medford From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Jan 6 16:17:09 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:17:09 -0500 Subject: a couple of after party party pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fantastic!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Arin Komins > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:17 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: a couple of after party party pics > > > Thanks to Merrick and Bernhard, a pair > of after party party pics. > > Guess who isn't in the band ;-) > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/HWIND.jpg > http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/hwind2.jpg > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 6 16:23:40 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:23:40 -0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: In message , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >>In a message dated 1/6/01 2:40:28 PM, starfield at SUPANET.COM writes: >> >><< Paul Rudolph played lead on Assassins of Allah. >> >> == >>dont mind me for asking "how do you know"? >>not that there's much lead on that song >>and he'd already been sacked.... >> >>"<>" > >Thought we were talking "Atomhenge '76" here? Isn't it all from the same >gig then? >-- i think we are talking about the atomhenge version otherwise it means that paul rudolph must have played on the quark, strangness and charm album and not got a credit for it. But he was sacked before the band went into the studio to record it, wasn't he??? Surely the Hassan I shaba track on qs+c has dave brock playing the guitar parts? Also was it been renamed "assassins of allah" so because so hawkwind put it on live albums it without having to ask paul rudolph's permission seeing that he co-wrote it with bob calvert??? colm From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 16:41:58 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:41:58 EST Subject: HW : An Open Letter About Xmas Gig Message-ID: This is for Dave and Kris, and everybody in Hawkwind, and Everybody who was at the Xmas gig, and everybody on the list who wasn't, I've been home in New York a few days now since I returned from Europe, but its the first chance I've had to put something down as a post about the Astoria Xmas gig. Of course when you fly 3,000 miles for a gig to spend 2 days in London to spend a day with Hawkwind your expectations are pretty high. I will say I was not disappointed. It was just fantastic from sound check start to after party end. I wished I could have gone on to the hotel after-after party, but my crazy hit and run schedule in London didn't really allow for me to stay up all night. And really, I'd already had a totally amazing 11 hrs already. For those who weren't there: Hawkwind passport holders were allowed early access to the gig for a sound check. There was some confusion outside the venue because so many people were already lining up for the 4 O clock gig by 3 0 clock, that it took most of the passport holders a little bit of a skirmish to get through the line of ticket holders to get in. My wife, Paula, and I got in after a bit and were instantly treated to a Hawkwind warm up set already in progress. With only the passport holders filling the front of the large theater there was already magic in the air as the band did a preshow run through of some numbers they'd perfrom more fully later. As the sound check wound down, Huw LLyod Langton strolled onstage and Dave Brock introduced him to the crowd, and Huw took off and did a wonderful, although brief set, solo acoustic. I thought Huw was fantastic. As an American I've never had an opportunity to see him play live like that. He did "Don't Like Nothing", and "Solitary Mind Games", and jammed out for a bit with Richard Chadwick providing some cool hand drum percussion back-up for a bit of it. After Huw's set came Monochronic, who were a techno duo. I took the opportunity to check out the scene in the lobby and ran right into Hawkwind heaven. As I headed into the lobby I bumped right into Mr. Brock in the midst of the throng. Dave, thank you so much for taking the time to stop and say hello. Believe me, it was very special for me, as I'm sure it was for the several dozen people who got you to autograph all sorts of cool Hawkind collectibles for them over the course of the next fifteen minutes hanging out there in the Hawkfan thronged upper lobby area. I wished I could have done more than croak in response. As I explained to everyone I'd encountered all night, I'd somehow managed to lose my voice on the flight over, and arrived in England sounding like Harvey Fierstein with strep throat or something. That's why I was being relatively quiet all evening. But it was the ultimate Hawkfan scene in the lobby, with Dave Brock doing autographs. Richard Chadwick came through and it was great to say hi to him too. I understand other band members came through to say hi to the fans at various points. It was fantastic to hang with fellow fans and meet some new friends in the party atmosphere. Cheers and greetings to Bernhard, Jez, Gary and Anna (we Love you), Arin Komins (thanks for coming up and saying hi, I wish I had a voice to say hi back with. Seriouly Arin, even though I didn't make it to the hotel I totally salute your organizational skills in putting together those accomadations and party. You are very cool.) As I checked out the fans in attendance, I had to think what a credit to the inspirational power of the band it is to have fans as cools as talented graphic artist Kevin Sommers, who flew in from Arizona, or Bob Jacobs, who IMHO is America's pre-eminent light show wizard coming all the way from the Left Coast of America, it speaks volumes about the power of the band to provide a creative beacon for the artists. Well, you know. It was also a pleasure to meet John and Maureen Davey of the Michael Moorcock fan association who were very nice. Next up were Spacehead, and for my money Mr. Dibs and crew rocked. I've been listening to their 3 CD's for a while, and had the new EP so I'm familiar with their stuff, and it was a treat to hear it blasted out live. I'd never had the chance to see them live before. I thought this line-up was extra cool, with Dr. Hasbeens guitarist Martyn and synth-ace Keith Kniveton augmenting the sound. I think the newest stuff sounded best, and also loved "AeroSpaceAge Inferno". After that we were treated to Simon House's Spiral Realms doing a set of Spiral Realms and old Hawkind instrumentals. I'm not certain if Simon's accompanist was actually playing keyboards or starting tapes or both, but it was lovely to hear Simon's gorgeous violin playing "Spiral Galaxy" , "Chronoglide Skyway", and some melodies from the Spiral Realms CD's. Simon still has that floaty, spacey sound that has added its special flavor to so many great recordings in the past. Finally, it was up to Tim Blake to countdown the hour before Hawkflight. He did a mix of old and new from the "Tide of the Century" CD in a set that seemed similar to me to the one I'd seen in Brixton two months earlier after the Hawkestra set. I do think Tim's newest material is a return to form for him, so I didn't mind seeing it all reprised. The Hawkwind set totally delivered the good for me from beginning to end in a way that went even beyond the fantastic Hawkestra event. The set list was a fantasy made real for this fan. And there were so many highlights. A blinding Levitation led into Hippie, which featured Ron Tree's incantaion like vocal delivery. He's great. Space Is Deep. Space Is Deep. Space Is Deep. Oh MY!! Michael Moorcock's voice and broken up video image coming though from the depths of the infinities of time twice during the set. The energy on Flying Doctor was just tremendous. Wow! Lighthouse beaming us into the depths of the intergalactic void. Motorway City was just a blazing rendition. Hurry On Sundown even more rocking than at Brixton. Ron Tree's vocals on Spirit of the Age were just chilling. My spine tingled, the real shit. The core of the band for the night consisted of Dave Brock playing loads of guitar, as well as synths-keyboards, with Simon House on violin for the bulk of the set, Richard Chadwick assuming sole drum and percussive responsibilities like the God of time that he is, Alan Davey the returning champion on bass and added energy (welcome back), Harvey Bainbridge on keyboards and vocals on Free Fall, which was great. Keith Kniveton played synthesizers up front in a big hat. (He's the alter ego of Captain Black of Starfields, and as I found out later at the after party is the sweetest guy in the world. Ditto for his wife who ran immigration at the gig. If you're on this list and you don't have the Starfields CD, you want it now, badly. It's got all the elements that we love in Hawkwind. Trust me. Get it. Starfields.) Also Jerry Richards played lead guitar for major portions of the set. And Tim Blake sat in for a bit on some of the tunes. And somewhere in there I even got to see "Damage of Life" played live. Or did I dream that. Or all of it. I even loved Rizz popping out at the end to induce us to "smoke the hashish" during Hassan I Sahba. He's another spice in the Hawkwind stew. Speaking of stew...."Star Cannibal" live someday? Well Dave? After this gig and Brixton I can believe that anything can happen now can't I? After this....a bunch of us lucky dogs who traveled over many waters, won artistic contests, dressed up in festive or silly costumes, or helped out promoting the show were given passes to an afer show party for about 100 with the band at a club a few streets from the Astoria. Everyone there was on a total Hawkwind after show glow high, and wouldn't have been anywhere else in the world at that moment. All of the band members hung out, signed stuff, posed for pictures, smiled, drank, smiled more, and ultimately shared a delicious Hawkwind logo shaped Holiday fruit cake with the band and the fans. I was so happy to be able to have a bit of a chance to say hi and thanks to Dave and Kris, Simon House, Harvey Bainbridge, Jerry Richards, Richard Chadwi ck, Ron Tree, Huw Lloyd Langton (what a wonderful guy, we had such a nice chat for a first meeting), Keith Kniveton (same deal, what a nice guy), Alan Davey, and Tim Blake. What a fantastic band to throw this special do just for the fans. You guys are my heroes. Do you know how it feels to be invited to a party by ones heroes. It's like Hawkwind for Cristmas folks, and it don't get better than that. In the end as the party was winding down I had to leave to meet my ride and got to say a quick goodnight to almost everybody. At the end i never found Dave and Kris to say goodnight, and thanks, and this is the stuff that dreams are made of. So I'll say it now. And hopefully I'll say it again in March in Croyden. One last thing...and as Jimi used to say "I'm sorry to take up all your sweet time..", but I wanted to say hi to some list brothers and sisters who I got to see, nod at, wave to, but not talk to due to croaking voice...Jill S., Jez Dacombe, Julie and Merrick French (I never got to say hi, but you gave me directions to the after party outside the Astoria), I'll talk to you all later. Consider yourselves lucky. Bernhard, Kevin, and Gary and Anna got to hear me croak. Thanks everybody. Thanks Dave and Kris. Thanks Hawkind. Happy New Centruy. Its 2001. ""We're living in the future"" WE LOVE YOU Eli and Paula Friedman From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Sat Jan 6 17:04:58 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:04:58 +1300 Subject: among the stars In-Reply-To: <003e01c07826$f2b962e0$0472883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: If anyone is interested in checking out the International Space Station then go to this NASA site. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/ mouse over on 'Realtime Data' and then click on either 'Sighting Opportunities' or 'Orbital Tracking' and it will tell you what time it is passing over your area. The ISS is currently circling the earth 15 times a day at a speed of 17,500 mph or 27,500 kph. I viewed it on Friday night here in NZ at 9:50 pm exactly when the data said it would pass overhead and boy was it moving. 20 minutes after I saw it the thing was over Sth America. Every 2 days it is gaining speed and will eventually be circling the earth 19 times a day or about every 1 hour & 20 minutes. You can also take a virtual tour both inside and outside the station. Mouse over on 'Station' and then click on 'Virtual Tour'. Regards Richard Cranium Music www.cranium.co.nz www.cranium-music.com From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Jan 6 17:04:33 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:04:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: From: "Nick Medford" > Why doesn't some TV crew with a bit more wit and imagination do the > "Top 10 bands for blowing your mind, turning your life upside down and > generally making you question the very fabric of reality"? Hell, that would > be a public service broadcast if it ever made it onto the nation's screens. > > Aside from HW, I'd have Gong and Psychic TV as my 2 and 3 in such a list > (PTV for the ideas rather than the patchy musical output). Coil and Can > would in there somewhere too. Any other offers? Mynd Muzic , Dead Flowers ? Jerry From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 17:25:15 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:25:15 EST Subject: HW: a couple of after party party pics Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/01 1:18:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > Guess who isn't in the band ;-) > > > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/HWIND.jpg > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/hwind2.jpg > > Hey, how about a left-to-right (or reverse) caption of names here?? I recognize the Dave of course (he sure looks old in this pic) and Steven Lindsey (from Strange Daze)...what about the rest? thanks, Chuck From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Jan 6 17:51:04 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:51:04 GMT Subject: HW questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: Colm asked: >And does anyone know if robert calvert every performed farenheit 451 with hawkwind? And was it ever recored in the studio or on a live bootleg? Going back to the QSC tour in '77, I saw Calvert perform a spoken number which, in his introduction he mentioned F451 and also said how the number dealt with 'the burning of the books'. Now I really don't know if it was the lyrics to the song which he read out as it was several years before that came out and my memory is'nt what it was. I DO remember that Atom Henge mindblowing - whatever happened to it? Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 6 18:45:09 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:45:09 -0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: One is guessing, but as he wrote the riff, and there's some unusual chord changes in the middle not heard since, and the song follows Chronoglide Skyway in the set, it could well be him on rhythm. And can anyone clear up the confusion as to who played bass meanwhile, was it Simon or Dave? As to whether he had been sacked, my understanding is that he wasn't ejected until around the end of 1976/early 1977, although Allan Powell and Nik Turner had both departed just before that, contrary to Pete Frame's family tree. That would explain the Back on the Streets single, which was done as a five piece. If anyone has more specific data on this, I'd like to hear it. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Re: questions - sorry if they are stupid > In a message dated 1/6/01 2:40:28 PM, starfield at SUPANET.COM writes: > > << Paul Rudolph played lead on Assassins of Allah. > > == > dont mind me for asking "how do you know"? > not that there's much lead on that song > and he'd already been sacked.... > > "<>" From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 18:46:12 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:46:12 EST Subject: Astoria Xmas gig Message-ID: Anyone out there have video footage (or audio) of the Astoria Xmas gig? email me privately, thanks. Bob From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 6 19:43:28 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:43:28 EST Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/01 6:07:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: > Actually, D-C-G-D, C-G-D (forgot that it returns to D at the end of each > phrase). > > That does sound better! Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 20:04:22 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:04:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: ohhhh sheeeetttt!!!!!!! - altho' I have to admit to owning and liking one ELO album. As to BJH, they can take their mellotrons, hold them sideways and stuff them up their candy........... being serious for a second, howeber, if the programme is approached in a spirit of humour mixed with nostalgia it could be good - and when yuo think about it, despite the fact that many of these bands are still around (even ELO - watch out there's a Jeff Lynne-led new ELO album in 2001!!!), only Hawkwind and perhaps Camel (and assuming Floyd are gone for good) can still hold their heads up with any degree of relevance and not be laughed at by all and sundry. I will be watching with interest - anyone see tonight's 100 Best Number One's? Who the hell voted flamin' 'Imagine' as number one - at least that dreadful Queen thing was number two - weird choice or what - entertaining prog though. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Top 10 show > I've remembered the other two bands...ELO and Barclay James Harvest. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 20:13:11 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:13:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Top 10 show Message-ID: Hawkwind and Gong plus: Pink Fairies - Amon Duul 2 - Escapade - Godspeed You Black Emperor - Hendrix - Magma - Subarachnoid Space - Kevin Coyne Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Top 10 show > From: "Nick Medford" > > > Why doesn't some TV crew with a bit more wit and imagination do the > > "Top 10 bands for blowing your mind, turning your life upside down and > > generally making you question the very fabric of reality"? Hell, that > would > > be a public service broadcast if it ever made it onto the nation's > screens. > > > > Aside from HW, I'd have Gong and Psychic TV as my 2 and 3 in such a list > > (PTV for the ideas rather than the patchy musical output). Coil and Can > > would in there somewhere too. Any other offers? > > Mynd Muzic , Dead Flowers ? > > Jerry From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 6 20:15:42 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:15:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: No - wrong DJ - I would never malign Peel ever - always was a frontrunner - still is - always will be. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion > > Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? > > -- > Nick Medford From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 6 20:07:21 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:07:21 +0000 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid In-Reply-To: <002901c0783a$b4dd1d40$6f1028d5@starfield> Message-ID: In article <002901c0783a$b4dd1d40$6f1028d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >One is guessing, but as he wrote the riff, and there's some unusual chord >changes in the middle not heard since, and the song follows Chronoglide >Skyway in the set, it could well be him on rhythm. And can anyone clear up >the confusion as to who played bass meanwhile, was it Simon or Dave? > >As to whether he had been sacked, my understanding is that he wasn't ejected >until around the end of 1976/early 1977, although Allan Powell and Nik >Turner had both departed just before that, contrary to Pete Frame's family >tree. That would explain the Back on the Streets single, which was done as a >five piece. > >If anyone has more specific data on this, I'd like to hear it. > >Captain Bl at ck. 76 was the first year I saw them, and (At least at Newcastle) Paul Rudolph only played lead on Chronoglide Skyway. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:45 PM >Subject: Re: questions - sorry if they are stupid > > >> In a message dated 1/6/01 2:40:28 PM, starfield at SUPANET.COM writes: >> >> << Paul Rudolph played lead on Assassins of Allah. >> >> == >> dont mind me for asking "how do you know"? >> not that there's much lead on that song >> and he'd already been sacked.... >> >> "<>" > -- David Blair From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Jan 6 21:18:05 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:18:05 -0500 Subject: HW: HawkXmas Pix Uploaded Message-ID: ++ STAR WARRIORS ONCE AGAIN:::: PLEASE NOTE THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON MC RE: CROYDON GIG THIS WILL BE MARCH, AND NOT JANUARY AS ANNOUNCED BY THE VENUE.... FULL DETAILS ON MISSION CONTROL AS THEY ARE RELEASED........ ++ MC site updated........ 35mm Scans Now Up On LIVEPIX Page... (Or Follow Links From Updates) WWW.HAWKWIND.ORG.UK ++MESSAGE ENDS From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 7 02:04:45 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:04:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: >I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for >literally: >Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as of >scripture >so it's the gas bible? >bob ...which takes everything back to the origin of the Hakwiwnd name? (Nik farting etc.) Anyway, Xenon Codex has always been a memorable one to me, as I got it when it came out and it was only my second HW CD. Favorite tracks: Sword of The East, EMC and Mutation Zone. Chr. ObCD: Voivod - Killing Technology From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Jan 7 03:57:16 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:57:16 +0100 Subject: questions - sorry if they are stupid In-Reply-To: <002901c0783a$b4dd1d40$6f1028d5@starfield> Message-ID: Hi At 23:45 06.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >As to whether he had been sacked, my understanding is that he wasn't ejected >until around the end of 1976/early 1977, although Allan Powell and Nik >Turner had both departed just before that, contrary to Pete Frame's family >tree. That would explain the Back on the Streets single, which was done as a >five piece. Nik Turner and Alan Powell were sacked AFTER the Astounging tour (15.09.76 - 05.10.76) On the December 1976 tour only the following band members were on stage - Dave Brock - Simon King - Robert Calvert - Simon House - Paul Rudolph As far as I know only one tape exists from this period (Southend, 11 Dec. 76) Have a look on the BACK ON THE STREET sleeve (the single) and you will notice that there are only 5 members on stage btw: This pic is from the Bracknell gig (18.12.76) cheers Bernhard From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Jan 7 04:59:32 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:59:32 -0600 Subject: HW: -Star Nation Message-ID: Well, I am singing praises to Andy G right now! My Star Nation has arrived! I'm too fresh into it to give a full review right now, but I'm seriously impressed with this recording! OK, it's not going to save your soul, but it's as must-have as any other side thing has been. Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" 4) Davey "Bedouin" 5) Star Nation 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" 9) House "Yassasim" 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" Not counting any Brock solo albums because the Captain lives and breathes Hawkwind and even his solo albums are not to be considered an off-shoot but are instead pure basic Hawkwind canon. Does Tim Blake's first couple solo albums count? I mean to ask, did he do them after joining Hawkwind or before? If before, then it's not really an offshoot. For the same reason I've not included any High Tide in the list above. Ohhh, shoot! I forgot about all the Motorhead albums. Not really spacerock, though, so we'll leave them off this list. And what about the Paradogs? Anybody picked that up yet and got an opinion? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 7 05:00:00 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:00:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010107075253.00954580@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: In article <4.2.0.58.20010107075253.00954580 at pop.eunet.no>, christmu at eunet.no writes >...which takes everything back to the origin of the Hakwiwnd name? (Nik >farting etc.) and absolutely nothing to do with the Winds of Horus, of course, eh? -- Jon From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 7 07:08:32 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:08:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? In-Reply-To: <48.fba9f8a.2787b7a9@aol.com> Message-ID: Well it is years since I had my guitars so I am really digging the brain cells here. This is what I can remember so fiddle around to get it right... The whole piece is basically in D major. The intro is played on the G, B and E strings. B string is open all through. G string is two frets above the E string. Start off playing top D on E and same fret on G then drop E string to C and alternate this picking (strings G,E,B,E). Then slide down with E string on A and G string two frets higher and alternate same picking. Descend semi-tone by semi-tone until you are playing some odd form of D major similar to the normal D major 0-2-3-2 shape. Now the next chord I was never sure on and the nearest I got was open on all strings from A up to E except the B string where you play C sharp. Strum this chord a few times up or down. The main riff again I am not sure on so what I used to play was 0-2-3-2 shape D on top three strings (not sure on whether you play the root D). Then a variant on C so 3 on A, 2 on D, 0 on G, 3 on B (maybe) and 0 on E. Then a sort of suspended D so 0 on A, 2 on G, 3 on B and 3 on E. Repeat this using Dave's well known bouncy rhythm and there you have it. The bass is presumably just D-C-E repeated. Two caveats - I was never convinced I had it exactly right because I think the original is a 12 string acoustic and I was using a 6 string electric and my ear was never that good anyway. Also, I don't have a guitar to hand to test it out so feel free to make you own mind up. However, I am certain the base key is D and not D flat which is a sort of unatural key for a busking style song being played on the guitar. Anyone at Brixton notice which part of the fretboard Dave used to play it? Mark Edmonds In message <48.fba9f8a.2787b7a9 at aol.com>, Joe Loehr writes >Hey, Mark > >I've worked out the main part of Hurry On Sundown, and to me it all sounds >like one chord: Db(D-flat). The bass-line is: Db-Db-B-Eb. > >Joe Loehr From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Jan 7 09:18:59 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:18:59 EST Subject: HW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/01 11:10:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, christmu at EUNET.NO writes: > >I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for > >literally: > >Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as > of > >scripture > > >so it's the gas bible? > >bob > > ...which takes everything back to the origin of the Hakwiwnd name? (Nik > farting etc.) > > Anyway, Xenon Codex has always been a memorable one to me, as I got it when > it came out and it was only my second HW CD. Favorite tracks: Sword of The > East, EMC and Mutation Zone. > > Chr. I was avoiding the temptation to make that (gas) connection. but Xenon Codex holds a similar place in my heart, it is the 1st HW cd I purchased. After nearly 20 years of vinyl purchases, someone bought me a cd player and I broke down and stepped up to the new digital technology...Xenon broke the player in. bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From micci at SCI.FI Sun Jan 7 10:03:29 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:03:29 +0200 Subject: HW:Astoria - Spacehead Message-ID: Hi! >A sample of the sound and style of that album can be heard on the EP of >demos from the album that make up the CD-R release 'Escape Velocity Preview >EP', but I won't be releasing the new album until the quality of the tracks >is at a standard that I see fit. I have this and I think it?s excellent. I really like it, good space- punk! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sun Jan 7 10:46:49 2001 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:46:49 +0100 Subject: HW: a couple of after party party pics In-Reply-To: <34.f2a3d41.2788f54b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, >Hey, how about a left-to-right (or reverse) caption of names here?? I >recognize the Dave of course (he sure looks old in this pic) and Steven >Lindsey (from Strange Daze)...what about the rest? thanks, Chuck > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~akomins/HWIND.jpg Tim Blake, Richard Chadwick, Dave Brock, Mr Dibs (Spacehead), Arin, Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Jerry Richards & Steve Lindsey (c)IAO D+R From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jan 7 12:11:57 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:11:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Classic Rock Message-ID: Anybody else seen the latest issue of Classic Rock? The review of 2000 contains a cracking picture of our Mr. Gilham. You can also make out Nik playing sax in the audience at Brixton if you squint. Nick From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sun Jan 7 12:39:40 2001 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:39:40 -0500 Subject: HW: -Star Nation In-Reply-To: <019901c07890$89a09480$3f6ba58e@pavilion> Message-ID: Where can one get the Davey/Bedouin/House CDs in the US? At 03:59 AM 1/7/01 -0600, you wrote: >Well, I am singing praises to Andy G right now! My Star Nation has arrived! > >I'm too fresh into it to give a full review right now, but I'm seriously >impressed with this recording! OK, it's not going to save your soul, but >it's as must-have as any other side thing has been. > >Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a >quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > >1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" >2) Davey "Captured Rotation" >3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" >4) Davey "Bedouin" >5) Star Nation >6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" >7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" >8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" >9) House "Yassasim" >10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" > >Not counting any Brock solo albums because the Captain lives and breathes >Hawkwind and even his solo albums are not to be considered an off-shoot but >are instead pure basic Hawkwind canon. > >Does Tim Blake's first couple solo albums count? I mean to ask, did he do >them after joining Hawkwind or before? If before, then it's not really an >offshoot. For the same reason I've not included any High Tide in the list >above. > >Ohhh, shoot! I forgot about all the Motorhead albums. Not really >spacerock, though, so we'll leave them off this list. > >And what about the Paradogs? Anybody picked that up yet and got an opinion? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jan 7 12:56:35 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:56:35 GMT Subject: off: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s message of Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:00:52 -0800 Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > > That sounds like "Encore at the End of Time" which you can also see on > Matthews' web site at http://www.rodneymatthews.com/gfx/elric8.jpg > > > Is Mr. Matthews a fan or did someone just show him a picture? :-) Yours, > > Given all of the album covers he'd done over the years, many with strong > Moorcock influences, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't aware of > Hawkwind. > Anyone know for sure? I read an interview with him about 15 years ago in which he said he'd love to do a Hawkwind stageshow or album cover. > Allan. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jan 7 12:59:45 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:59:45 GMT Subject: HW Fairfield Halls In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > Moved to 25th March according to the Fathead Halls. Luckily it seems I was able to cancel my flights. It's obvious that it's a government run outfit. FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 7 12:52:52 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:52:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Paradogs Message-ID: Here's my opinion of Paradogs (as done for the last but one CDS catalogue): JERRY RICHARDS & ALF HARDY: Paradogs CD? All new instrumental project from Hawkwind electric guitarist and Tubilah Dog synth player, and it's a corker. With twelve tracks that inhabit a range from driving space-rock to real Hawkwind-esque synthscapes with plenty of the trademark synth swoops, effects and swirls in amongst the melodies and atmospherics, to which are added an assortment of hard drum rhythms (electronic and programmed) and textural samples and the whole thing has that immaculate mix of feel and vibrancy down to a tee. It has that all-important multi-textured sound with deep resonance, rivers of dreamy and spacious synths, plus guitar work that takes both lead and textural roles. Some of the tracks are largely synths-dominated while others reveal two musicians going supanova with some red hot guitar work, and throughout the album, every track a gem. Anyone into the instrumental sides of synth-rock, real space music and space-rock will get years of pleasure out of this superbly played, structured, composed and produced album. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BL Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM > And what about the Paradogs? Anybody picked that up yet and got an opinion? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 7 13:19:09 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:19:09 -0000 Subject: HW: archives Message-ID: Furkling round the Andy G paperwork mess this afternoon, I found the old EBS release sheet that they put out to us in '97 and this is what was on it: EBSCD 125 Spyro-gyra Tribe Of Cro Released 126 Spiral galaxy Simon House August Revisited 127 Distant Horizons Psychedelic Warriors On Hold 128 PXR 5 Hawkwind TBA 129 Brock 7696 Dave Brock August 130 Red Chaos Harvey Bainbridge On Hold 131 Trip Switch Jack London August (formerly ROM) 132 Potlach Tribe Of Cro August 133 Bedouin Alan Davey's Bedouin August 134Warrior On The Hawkwind TBA Edge Of Time 135 Chronicles Of The Hawkwind TBA Black Sword 136 Church Of Hawkwind TBA 137 Out and Intakes Hawkwind TBA 138 Hawkwlords Live Hawklords TBA 139 New Studio Album Hawkwind TBA OF COURSE NONE OF THESE WERE RELEASED!!(except the Bedouin album - the top Tribe one being there just as an example) So, the Brock, London, and I think the Bainbridge, albums were all recorded and ready to roll. Interesting that the Psychedelic Warriors follow-up was 'Distant Horizons' title which makes you wonder whether or not the album that came out was meant to be a Hawkwind album or not. The House one was secured by our friends at BW and is out any day. Potlach was to have been the CD of the vinyl-only album that preceded 'Spyro-gyra' but never appeared and anyone know what's happened to Tribe of Cro anyway - lots of activity, two superb CD's then....vanished. Clearly the intention was to do a reissue programme but nothing ever happened - so are EBS still a going concern or will all this now fall into the hands of Voiceprint or Griffin or both? Questions, questions........... Andy Garibaldi. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Jan 7 13:05:23 2001 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:05:23 +0100 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: Hello all, Just had a look at the astoria gig photos on the Hawkwind site and saw a marvelous photo of Dave. He stand on the right (of the photo) and just seeing the top of his guitar with the strings haning loose. I've put the picture as a back-screen and it's just fabulous. Try it once you all and if you don't like it,try another. I do so,every 2 weeks I put on another Hawkwind-back-screen. The Sam Fox-Dave Brock back to back was on till the Astoria. Although it was a funny photo,this one is just Dave !!!!!! I really like this photo,as does my wife,she met Dave also and she says:"it's really him" I can't actually put it into words,but that's a picture that caputeres Dave for me. Sorry,it sounds a little bit wacko,but that's what's on my mind greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 7 13:23:08 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:23:08 -0000 Subject: HW: -Star Nation Message-ID: we supply the USA from CD Services if you have a credit card but if not then try Jerry at Aural Innovations - don't have his e.mail to hand but Henderson will surely nip in here. If you want me or any catalogues, just e.mail your address details to: agcdser at aol.com OK. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dhuggins" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation > Where can one get the Davey/Bedouin/House CDs in the US? > > > At 03:59 AM 1/7/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Well, I am singing praises to Andy G right now! My Star Nation has arrived! > > > >I'm too fresh into it to give a full review right now, but I'm seriously > >impressed with this recording! OK, it's not going to save your soul, but > >it's as must-have as any other side thing has been. > > > >Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a > >quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > > > >1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" > >2) Davey "Captured Rotation" > >3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" > >4) Davey "Bedouin" > >5) Star Nation > >6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" > >7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" > >8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" > >9) House "Yassasim" > >10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" > > > >Not counting any Brock solo albums because the Captain lives and breathes > >Hawkwind and even his solo albums are not to be considered an off-shoot but > >are instead pure basic Hawkwind canon. > > > >Does Tim Blake's first couple solo albums count? I mean to ask, did he do > >them after joining Hawkwind or before? If before, then it's not really an > >offshoot. For the same reason I've not included any High Tide in the list > >above. > > > >Ohhh, shoot! I forgot about all the Motorhead albums. Not really > >spacerock, though, so we'll leave them off this list. > > > >And what about the Paradogs? Anybody picked that up yet and got an opinion? From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jan 7 13:26:21 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:26:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hello...again In-Reply-To: <006401c078d6$e35f9340$be18bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Hi, I'm back again...if anyone remembers me. So how are You guys ? I have been very busy with my studies so I never got around to get back to the list after The Moor's tour in 1999. Glad to be back, Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Jan 7 13:41:46 2001 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:41:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Paradogs Message-ID: Must say I like it too.Bought It at the Astoria,amongst other things. Even like it more for the "moment" than the Family Tree album(I know there's some Paradogs stuff on it) Hey Andy,even bought the "Starfield" CD,and I can tell you all,it's a GAS !!!! The "moment" I mentioned above has to do with the "Alien4" - "Distant Horizions" thing.Sorry,you boys and girls I still love more "Distant Horizons".Hey,can I have a opinion? Don't want to cause a stirr!?! Don't know why I don't like "Alien",don't even really like "Sputnik Stan".Must say it's the album I play least,and I do like the live album "Love In Space" (talking about a contradiction).I'm weird ? certainly !!! One of my fav.albums now is the Xenox Codex (but I have to say honest it varies) greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: Paradogs > Here's my opinion of Paradogs (as done for the last but one CDS catalogue): > JERRY RICHARDS & ALF HARDY: Paradogs CD? > All new instrumental project from Hawkwind electric guitarist and Tubilah > Dog synth player, and it's a corker. With twelve tracks that inhabit a range > from driving space-rock to real Hawkwind-esque synthscapes with plenty of > the trademark synth swoops, effects and swirls in amongst the melodies and > atmospherics, to which are added an assortment of hard drum rhythms > (electronic and programmed) and textural samples and the whole thing has > that immaculate mix of feel and vibrancy down to a tee. It has that > all-important multi-textured sound with deep resonance, rivers of dreamy and > spacious synths, plus guitar work that takes both lead and textural roles. > Some of the tracks are largely synths-dominated while others reveal two > musicians going supanova with some red hot guitar work, and throughout the > album, every track a gem. Anyone into the instrumental sides of synth-rock, > real space music and space-rock will get years of pleasure out of this > superbly played, structured, composed and produced album. > > Andy G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BL Young" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM > > And what about the Paradogs? Anybody picked that up yet and got an > opinion? From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jan 7 14:27:44 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:27:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Shameless self-publicity, but I've finally got round to uploading my own interpretation of Hurry On Sundown - www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 - it's quite big (5MB or so) and goes on for ages :-) That's D-C-G-D/C-G-D (apart from the original bit which is C-D/F-G). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > Well it is years since I had my guitars so I am really digging the brain > cells here. This is what I can remember so fiddle around to get it > right... > > The whole piece is basically in D major. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Jan 7 14:30:20 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:30:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Hello...again Message-ID: Hi Kenneth! Welcome back. What's up with The Moor? Have you guys been in contact with Nik at all lately? Saw the Moor listing on mp3.com. Nice! http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/139/the_moor.html If there's anyone on the list that hasn't heard of The Moor yet, they're definitely worth checking out. Scandinavian spacerock rules! Karen Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm back again...if anyone remembers me. So how are You guys ? > I have been very busy with my studies so I never got around to get > back to the list after The Moor's tour in 1999. > > Glad to be back, > Kenneth > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jan 7 16:37:04 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:37:04 -0000 Subject: HW: All About Eve Message-ID: Heres Something Trippy, I went to see 'All About Eve' do an acoustic set last night in Whitley Bay, and apart from being an excellent gig, there was quite alot of banter in between songs, and the guitarist (Marty Wilson Piper), was having a dig at the bloke in a Rush t shirt at the front of the crowd, he then burst into an impromptu rendition of 'Catch A Falling Starfighter' from Captain Lockheed. Theres an interesting Collectors item if the bootleg ever appears. Rich W. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Jan 7 16:41:46 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:41:46 -0000 Subject: HW: All About Eve Message-ID: wasn't he in the church? an australian band that did a cover of "silver machine"? colm -----Original Message----- From: Rich Warren To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 07 January 2001 21:36 Subject: HW: All About Eve >Heres Something Trippy, > >I went to see 'All About Eve' do an acoustic set last night in Whitley Bay, >and apart from being an excellent gig, there was quite alot of banter in >between songs, and the guitarist (Marty Wilson Piper), was having a dig at >the bloke in a Rush t shirt at the front of the crowd, he then burst into an >impromptu rendition of >'Catch A Falling Starfighter' from Captain Lockheed. > >Theres an interesting Collectors item if the bootleg ever appears. > > >Rich W. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 7 17:11:01 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:11:01 EST Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/01 9:14:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > However, I am certain the base key is D and not D flat which is a sort > of unatural key for a busking style song being played on the guitar. > > I know I'm not crazy (not dangerously, anyway) and both versions on the EMI remaster of Hurry On Sundown are in D-flat. So maybe they slowed the tape down when it was mastered for the album? Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Jan 7 18:45:18 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:45:18 -0600 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: I have a bunch of Hawkwind images that shuffle on my computer. I found a cool freeware utility for Win 95/98 called "Wallmaster" that lets your wallpaper image cycle through a list. I think you are only allowed 50 images and if you want more then you have to register. But all I do is dump different images in the Wallmaster folder about every other month, and then I never get bored and it costs me nothing. Even got Nik in his spiky alien costume. That one gets a lot of comments! Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Hello all, Just had a look at the astoria gig photos on the Hawkwind site and saw a marvelous photo of Dave. He stand on the right (of the photo) and just seeing the top of his guitar with the strings haning loose. I've put the picture as a back-screen and it's just fabulous. Try it once you all and if you don't like it,try another. I do so,every 2 weeks I put on another Hawkwind-back-screen. The Sam Fox-Dave Brock back to back was on till the Astoria. Although it was a funny photo,this one is just Dave !!!!!! I really like this photo,as does my wife,she met Dave also and she says:"it's really him" I can't actually put it into words,but that's a picture that caputeres Dave for me. Sorry,it sounds a little bit wacko,but that's what's on my mind greetings filip hawknut From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 7 13:52:55 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:52:55 -0000 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: Bedouin-As Above So Below (when it comes) Starfield-Return To Earth Nik Turner-Space Ritual Spiral Realms-Solar Winds Anubian Lights - Eternal Sky Harvey Bainbridge-Red Shift Robert Calvert-Capt Lockheed Star Nation-EP Jerry Richards/Alf Harvey-Paradogs Psychedelic Warriors-White Zone n no particular order and using your criteria - the first two Blake albums pre-dated Hawkwind with him in it but are the best two by a long way. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BL Young" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation > Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a > quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > > 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" > 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" > 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" > 4) Davey "Bedouin" > 5) Star Nation > 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" > 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" > 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" > 9) House "Yassasim" > 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 7 18:46:06 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:46:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Interview Message-ID: Can't remember if I posted this already but if not, here it is. Andy Garibaldi. ------------------------------------------------ There are 3 new reviews on Zoopa loop: a swamp room happening 2000 ( Swamp room records ) Mushroom music monoliths ( Swamp room records ) Hawkwind "Love in space" The last interview on Zoopa loop: Space rock wizards of HAWKWIND http://come.to/zoopaloop From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Sun Jan 7 19:23:32 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:23:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: No, I'm sure they just tuned down a half step. Lots of Hawkwind recordings are tuned down, btw. John Majka In a message dated 1/7/01 9:14:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK writes: However, I am certain the base key is D and not D flat which is a sort of unatural key for a busking style song being played on the guitar. I know I'm not crazy (not dangerously, anyway) and both versions on the EMI remaster of Hurry On Sundown are in D-flat. So maybe they slowed the tape down when it was mastered for the album? Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 20:08:24 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:08:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Nick Medford wrote: > Gave my vinyl copy of this a spin for re-evaluation purposes. Still strikes me > as a relatively weak album, however I did conclude that one of the biggest > problems is the poor production. There's some interesting material trying to > escape from the murk- which makes me wonder whether the remastered > version sounds significantly better. Comments from those who've heard > both? I asked this not so long ago in an attempt to find out whether I shoudl replace my CD with the remaster, as I like you felt the production really might have benefitted from improvement, and though there were few replies who had actually heard both the consensus of about two was that the remaster was a detectable improvement they thought, maybe. Such is the wisdom of BOC-L on the subject :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Ozric Tentacles - _Jurassic Shift_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 20:18:52 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:18:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Bob Lennon wrote: > I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for > literally: > Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as of > scripture Codex in fact just means a book, as we understand it. The term dates from the Roman Empire, when books were more usually on rolls of papyrus (scrolls to us) and the codex (pages bound into a gathering) was regarded as a dangerous innovation which would take the seriousness out of reading. There are a couple of poems by one Roman poet who wanted to versify about how much the codex format was increasing his sales :-) Ahem, anyway. Yeah, it's a book made of xenon I always assumed. This would be before the Schwa Corporation added the extra meaning to `Xenon', too, wouldn't it? Yours, Jon ObCD: Tangerine Dream - _Atem_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 20:46:23 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:46:23 +0000 Subject: Astoria Review Message-ID: Dear All, I shall be posting this on a BBS I use, but I thought I'd stick it on BOC-L too as I shall only get to include the obsessive who-played-on-what bit here :-) NB that I'm using initials, not Bernhard's elaborate codes for the musicians... On the 29th we went to see Hawkwind. It was excellent. I can't praise it enough, It was intended by Dave Brock, Hawkwinds original and now only leader, to make up for the rarher slapdash though hugely amusing Hawkestra gig, and boy did it. They were faultless. Everyone was at least good, and most were excellent. Every minute of rehearsal paid off, and they played some truly unexpected stuff as well as leaving out their three crowd standards, `Silver Machine, `Master of the Universe and `Brainstorm Nobody cared. Having found out what was to be the encore I'm rather annoyed they didn't play that but the Astoria was intent on getting its club going on time. Ah well. The gig was a nearly all-day affair and opened with an acoustic set by Huw Lloyd Langton, Hawkwind's ex lead guitarist. I missed it because I was still in the pub drinking Sam Smith's but I've seen him do this before and it's nothing special to me though the more folk-rock of the contingent might get something out of it because he can certainly play. After him were Morphonic, a two-piece techno outfit in the same general sound-sphere as Orbital but lacking their complexity, sense of re flash than Orbital (who don't to my mind really do, or need, flash) but they were basically nothing special. They are in part the son of Hawkwind's violinist so that's what they were doing there. Next up were Spacehead, who really weren't very good. I have one CD of this lot's, and it's all-right Hawkwind/Sabbath clone stuff with lousy vocals, appalling lyrics, a nasty thin instrumentation and the production value of a microphone in a vacuum cleaner. I was informed that they'd got better but in fact they have only got faster, thereby losing a lot of their solemnity and impact. Their leader is the bass-player, Mr. Dibs and I think he wants to be Bedouin now and not Hawkwind. Sadly he's a lousy musician and can't sing. And his bass sounds horrible and tinny. Their guitarist was moonlighting from Dr. Hasbeen and did nothing but stand there and riff all set. I mean, good and solid but nothing in the slightest bit exciting. I don't know whether Dibs wanted it that way or whether he genuinely had nothing to do but it didn't do much for me. Their drummer was little better. Their synth player was a woman unknown to me, and I couldn't hear very much of what she did, though what I could was simple but unusual. Inappropriate maybe; more pop noises than space noises. But if she'd been louder it might have lifted the otherwise monotonous would-be-blanga-played-through-speak'n'spells that we got. Keith Kniveton of Starfield was also playing audio generators; he remained almost still throughout the set and his noises were for the most part too high for me to hear. When he came down out of the far ultrasonic he did a lot to lift the quality of the drab set. It wasn't all bad; they did one number called `Chemistry' which I'm prepared to call good, a song that sounded like their `Astroman' speeded up which showed off its Hawkwind ancestry rather but was OK, and something that Kirsten identified as `Paranoid' but was in fact only the same in the vocal line, less a bit of tweaking. The Hawkwind and Calvert covers were pleasant through being themselves but were both lame performances. But it wasn't up to much all things considered. If someone can force them into a studio and they get a few things down when they're on an up, it'll be OK. But I shall avoid them live in future. There is a damn sight too much of this quality of stuff lurking about though. Spacerock in the US has gone three ways, slewing into stoner as in Monster Magnet, slewing into prog-type jazz fusion as in Melting Euphoria and Quarkspace, neither of whom I get into at all, and in some few cases actually exploring new places I want to go, as in the cases of ST37 and Farflung who in different ways (ST37 in a Texas mescaline-fuelled freak trip to the beyond, Farflung in a deliberate and well-provisioned attempt to reach the stars using vintage instruments and a set of engine components borrowed from Hawkwind (though they've been tuned out of all recognition, mostly down), Chrome and Cluster) are actually going somewhere. In Britain there's only one way: slavish imitation of Hawkwind. Spacehead at least show up Sabbath influences (or at least steal their riffs) too but their work and that of the once-related Krel as far as they're currently available are basically Hawkwind riffs and tunes set to new synth textures and words. With Krel's _Ad Astra_ you really can play spot the Hawkwind thefts, averaging about two per song. There's the Gong-influenced ethnic festi jazz stuff like the Ozrics, Unlimbo and so on, yes, which is all great fun although doesn't do anything new now, and there's Alan Davey taking Mot?rhead and NWoBHM into space, which is also good and will go somewhere, but he is one man. Other than that since Omnia Opera broke up and all the eighties space-goth crossovers like Dark Empire, Big Amongst Sheep and Underground Zero disappeared, nothing new is being done here. We have lost space to the Americans, _again_. Someone should do something. Except not me as I have no new ideas either. Anyway, after him came Spiral Realms, which once upon a time was Simon House, Hawkwind's violinist and erstwhile Prince of Keys with two other great space synth players, and is now the act that at Brixton was simply billed as Simon House, i. e. Mr. House on violin and his son from Morphonic on programmed backing and synth. They opened with some classical piece we couldn't identify which was actually rather good and then ran through an uninspiring set of Hawkwind songs written by Simon. They were OK and Simon's violin-playing was very good, as usual, but basically it's Hawkwind through a sequencer with all the edge taken out and bad techno drumbeats. When they left the Hawkwind stuff it was in fact much more interesting; I don't know if the stuff was new or old Spiral Realms stuff but it was more genuine than the recycling. Towards the end of the set the programmed drums seemed to get quieter and even out of step and at that point things became really interesting. The synth was making some reasonable if unamazing swoosh, and Simon was light years out through several nebulae. He really can make that violin of his make some completely other noises, and he was playing with all the pedals down. If they had just _left out the drum programs_ this would be at least one of the futures of music, a free-form exploratory mind-opening electronic soundscape of molten rivulets and swirling cloud like really early Tangerine Dream but sharper, clearer and weirder. Sadly I fear what I could hear trying to get out in that set will never in fact be released, Simon is slightly too conventionally-trained a musician. But though for me the drums spoilt it it was in fact pretty good. Following on was Tim Blake. He did most of the things he had done at Brixton but there were important differences. Apart from a short set of piano vignettes he did by way of illustration of what he would have given us if a grand piano had been available to him, he did `Tide of the Century', `Crystal Island' and a pair of other things before finishing off with a tear-jerking `New Jerusalem'. He can of course no longer sing, but in fact as far as he now can be he was in voice; he missed a lot of notes but not by very much and didn't crack the top ones. And of course as a synth-player and pianist he's excellent. Really gets into his performance too. Full marks to him say I, although a slightly odd idea of a warm-up. And then Hawkwind. I've said it already but they were excellent. The sound was crystal, and everyone gave their all. It was particularly nice to actually be able to hear all of Richard's kit and so estimate that he is in fact a very good drummer. And for once one could hear Jerry play lead, which is good because so is he. And Ron was himself again, stoned as all get out but fully in control of his voice, remembering all the words, and delivering them as himself not as Calvert. Basically they sounded like they would on a really good live CD. I cannot complain in any way and I very much hope there is in fact a CD release of the gig as it was in every way worth it. The details that follow are only for the afficionados therefore, they being castlist and setlist. In order of appearance: Harvey Bainbridge - synths keys & vox; Richard Chadwick - drums perc & vox; Alan Davey - bass & vox [2]; Simon House - violin; Dave Brock - vox, gtr keys synth & programs; Keith Kniveton - generators; Jerry Richards - lead gtr & vox; Ron Tree - lead vox; Tim Blake - synth, vox keys & programs; Michael Moorcock (by telephone from Texas) - recitation; ?Theo Travis - sax flute & clarinet [1]; Huw Lloyd Langton - perc; Captain Rizz - mercifully few vox. [1] I don't actually know who this was. He came on in a suit for `Angels of Death' and Dave did announce him but no-one seems to have heard the name. He looked the right build for Theo Travis though, and played a bit like him, and I can't think who else it could have been. Interesting links to Porcupine Tree and so on though. [2] Wandered past the sound-board as Morphonic finished their set, grinned evilly and mimed shoving everything all the way up) In order of audio (with annotated lineup changes): (HB/RC/AD/SH/DB/KK) Intro (dark streaming lengthy stuff this, excellent) => Levitation (totally unexpected (which was the theme for the night), with a techno mid-section based on the synth-line from `Blue Skin') (+JR, +RT clearly more than a bit stoned and to mockery from DB - but on form once he actually started, and how) Hippy Spacebrock (brand new and I didn't know it till I played the CD; I thought it must be Alan's; sounds slightly better on the CD because of the extra guitar but on the other hand benefitted from a full band immensely) (-HB, -RT, -JR, -SH, but TB came on to watch from his place) Space is Deep (started off sounding rather Brock solo, and not as out there as the original, and Alan took it into the groove earlier than I expected but once it was there - oh yes!) (+RT) Flying Doctor (yes! That was our fault!) (+HB, +MM, +SH, +TB, -RT) Standing on the Edge/Warriors (this was so incredible. Moorcock sounded completely eldritch, He wasn't just over the top, he was under it, around it and somewhere else completely and yet much more focussed and generally giving full voice to his words for maybe the first time ever - Kirsten hates this one but had to admit that it was in fact cool) => (-TB, +TT) Angels of Death (with an amazing break in the middle massively enhanced by the sax, faultlessly in tune and melodic, and everyone else really letting go too) (-TT, +TB) High Rise (I can't express how happy I was when I finally believed they were going to do it. Ron was excellent, and I defy anyone to say otherwise. Not Calvert's style, but his own, and at his best) (-RT, -TB, +HB) Damage of Life (this completely surprised me. I think it lacked intensity compared to what surrounded it but it was still cool, and again unexpected) (+TB, -HB, +JR) Lighthouse (excellent but particularly enhanced by Jerry's very sensitive guitar atmospherics. Didn't lead in to it just with Tim as I expected but with some backing there right from the start. Possibly too difficult to shut Alan up? But also cool this way) (-TB, +MM, +TT) Texas Calling/Sonic Attack (top class. Moorcock still unhinged. Calvert did not seem so amazing afterward) (-MM, -JR) Free Fall (very well sung by Harvey) (+JR, +TB, -TT) Motorway City => Hurry on Sundown (much richer both with all three electronics players going) (+RT, +HLL, -HB) Spirit of the Age (again turned into a sing-along with the crowd and generally warmer and nicer than I suspect Calvert designed it) (-HLL, +TT) Assassins of Allah (-JR, -RT, +RIZZ) / Space is Their Palestine (+HB, +JR, +RT) / Assassins of Allah Gods it was incredible. And moreover the sound of the band was darker and cooler than usual, though not as fried as the Space Ritual. If this comes out on CD it will be halfway between there and Love in Space in sound and better than at least one of them. buildup or originality. They weren't bad and their stuff had a little mo -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 20:47:53 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:47:53 +0000 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: <3A566835.CB5F3AB2@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Keith Barton wrote: > Not forgetting the bloke on sax/flute. Yeah - did anyone hear who he was? Captain Bl at ck, tell us more! Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 21:07:49 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:07:49 +0000 Subject: HW: archives In-Reply-To: <005601c078d6$6f838a80$be18bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Furkling round the Andy G paperwork mess this afternoon, I found the old EBS > release sheet that they put out to us in '97 and this is what was on it: > EBSCD 125 Spyro-gyra Tribe Of Cro Released > 126 Spiral galaxy Simon House August > Revisited > 127 Distant Horizons Psychedelic Warriors On > > Hold > 128 PXR 5 Hawkwind TBA > 129 Brock 7696 Dave Brock August > 130 Red Chaos Harvey Bainbridge On Hold > 131 Trip Switch Jack London August > (formerly ROM) > 132 Potlach Tribe Of Cro August > 133 Bedouin Alan Davey's Bedouin August > 134Warrior On The Hawkwind TBA > Edge Of Time > 135 Chronicles Of The Hawkwind TBA > Black Sword > 136 Church Of Hawkwind TBA > 137 Out and Intakes Hawkwind TBA > 138 Hawkwlords Live Hawklords TBA > 139 New Studio Album Hawkwind TBA > > Clearly the intention was to do a reissue programme but nothing ever > happened - so are EBS still a going concern or will all this now fall into > the hands of Voiceprint or Griffin or both? Not so sure about the reissue programme. Or rather, yes, that's obviously what was intnded except that apart from _PXR5_ (which I don't understand) it's all stuff that was on Dojo. Since Dojo have now disappeared beneath the waters I assume that EBS bought up their section of the HW catalogue just before they stalled forever. So it might yet make it to Griffin. As I understand it though EBS and Voiceprint are not connected and Voiceprint are getting their material direct from Dave, so if it was owned by EBS it won't get to Voiceprint. Someone with better knowledge feel free to correct me though. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 7 21:26:01 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:26:01 -0600 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Jon Jarrett wrote: :Subject: Re: HW:Astoria : :On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Keith Barton wrote: : :> Not forgetting the bloke on sax/flute. : : Yeah - did anyone hear who he was? Captain Bl at ck, tell us :more! Yours, His name is Jez Huggett. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 7 22:13:53 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:13:53 +0000 Subject: HW:Samantha Fox In-Reply-To: <003d01c05e37$70d51980$e61528d5@starfield> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, starfield wrote: > The Melodic Energy Commission albums are quite good though. Have you got > those? There was actually a third album, which featured Del on just one > track - a cassette only release. I have that somewhere. Plus he did an album > with Gerald Toon. For the sake of the information, can you say a little more about tht last one? I can't track it down. If you could put a name to the third MEC album too that would be a help. Cheers, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 8 02:04:17 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:04:17 -0000 Subject: HW: All About Eve Message-ID: Yeah. He's the guitarist in the Church. Next Time I see the Eves, I'll try and provoke him....heh. Now Julianne Regan Singing Silver Machine, that would be something. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: All About Eve > wasn't he in the church? an australian band that did a cover of "silver > machine"? > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Warren > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 07 January 2001 21:36 > Subject: HW: All About Eve > > > >Heres Something Trippy, > > > >I went to see 'All About Eve' do an acoustic set last night in Whitley Bay, > >and apart from being an excellent gig, there was quite alot of banter in > >between songs, and the guitarist (Marty Wilson Piper), was having a dig at > >the bloke in a Rush t shirt at the front of the crowd, he then burst into > an > >impromptu rendition of > >'Catch A Falling Starfighter' from Captain Lockheed. > > > >Theres an interesting Collectors item if the bootleg ever appears. > > > > > >Rich W. > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 8 02:37:59 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:07:59 +1030 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: Sorry I didn't get to astoria to meet you matey!! Next time allright Michael Blackhawk ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Hello all, Just had a look at the astoria gig photos on the Hawkwind site and saw a marvelous photo of Dave. He stand on the right (of the photo) and just seeing the top of his guitar with the strings haning loose. I've put the picture as a back-screen and it's just fabulous. Try it once you all and if you don't like it,try another. I do so,every 2 weeks I put on another Hawkwind-back-screen. The Sam Fox-Dave Brock back to back was on till the Astoria. Although it was a funny photo,this one is just Dave !!!!!! I really like this photo,as does my wife,she met Dave also and she says:"it's really him" I can't actually put it into words,but that's a picture that caputeres Dave for me. Sorry,it sounds a little bit wacko,but that's what's on my mind greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 04:40:54 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:40:54 -0000 Subject: off: New Elric novel: The Dreamthief's Daughter Message-ID: Concerning "Encore at the End of Time" http://www.rodneymatthews.com/gfx/elric8.jpg Jon wrote >Not unconnectedly, my second-best Christmas present > was a copy of > _Elric at the End of Time_ in big format with illustrations by Rodney > Matthews. Which kicks arse anyway, but one of the > illustrations is of the band that briefly features, and though the members all appear to be > goblins and aliens, the line-up is kind of suggestive - drummer, > four-string player dead centre, stage left a creature playing a > double-necked twelve/six-string and stage right a Vorlon-like thing > playing a double-barreled saxophone or something very much > like it. Smallgnome/Mekon-like creature sitting in a booth twiddling knobs... Is > Mr. Matthews a fan or did someone just show him a picture? :-) Yours, I attended a signing by him a long time ago, and asked him this question. He claimed to have no specific knowledge and had just drawn a strange person band. This is sort of credible, as the only thing that really connects the drawing to HW is having a saxophonist, which is unusual. However non of the characters seem like HW players. The one word of warning to his recollections concern the bottle of whiskey at the front of the stage. This was put in to comment on the drinking that he ws doing at the time, so his recollections may be imperfect. Mike w Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From iainferguson at CS.COM Mon Jan 8 05:10:47 2001 From: iainferguson at CS.COM (iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:10:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: Andrew, in that case the initails must be MR ( not riley) regards iain ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > No - wrong DJ - I would never malign Peel ever - always was a frontrunner - > still is - always will be. > Andy Garibaldi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Medford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > > In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > > GARIBALDI writes > > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't > > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't > > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion > > > > Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? > > > > -- > > Nick Medford From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Jan 8 09:55:55 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:55:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let us not forget the prose which begins "Blood greetings O brother, from our great Space Mother..." which is of course 'Commentary on the Saga of Doremi Fasol Latido by Astal, High Priestess of Xenon, Mentet 12753.' KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jon Jarrett Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:19 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Xenon Codex On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Bob Lennon wrote: > I always assumed the Xenon Codex was named for what the 2 words stand for > literally: > Xenon = a heavy, gaseous element, Codex=An Ancient manuscript volume, as of > scripture Codex in fact just means a book, as we understand it. The term dates from the Roman Empire, when books were more usually on rolls of papyrus (scrolls to us) and the codex (pages bound into a gathering) was regarded as a dangerous innovation which would take the seriousness out of reading. There are a couple of poems by one Roman poet who wanted to versify about how much the codex format was increasing his sales :-) Ahem, anyway. Yeah, it's a book made of xenon I always assumed. This would be before the Schwa Corporation added the extra meaning to `Xenon', too, wouldn't it? Yours, Jon ObCD: Tangerine Dream - _Atem_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 11:29:24 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:29:24 +0000 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 In-Reply-To: <011101c07908$36f810a0$639abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Wot no ICU?? In message <011101c07908$36f810a0$639abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Bedouin-As Above So Below (when it comes) >Starfield-Return To Earth >Nik Turner-Space Ritual >Spiral Realms-Solar Winds >Anubian Lights - Eternal Sky >Harvey Bainbridge-Red Shift >Robert Calvert-Capt Lockheed >Star Nation-EP >Jerry Richards/Alf Harvey-Paradogs >Psychedelic Warriors-White Zone >n no particular order and using your criteria - the first two Blake albums >pre-dated Hawkwind with him in it but are the best two by a long way. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BL Young" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation >> Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a >> quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: >> >> 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" >> 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" >> 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" >> 4) Davey "Bedouin" >> 5) Star Nation >> 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" >> 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" >> 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" >> 9) House "Yassasim" >> 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" >> -- Nick Medford From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Jan 8 13:46:56 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:46:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: what is john peels position on hawkwind??? HAs he ever liked them??? I know he had some involvement in getting the band signed to a redord label way back when they just started. colm -----Original Message----- From: iain Ferguson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 08 January 2001 10:10 Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list >Andrew, in that case the initails must be MR ( not riley) > >regards >iain > >ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > >> No - wrong DJ - I would never malign Peel ever - always was a frontrunner - >> still is - always will be. >> Andy Garibaldi. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nick Medford" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:24 PM >> Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list >> >> > In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW >> > GARIBALDI writes >> > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't >> > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't >> > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion >> > >> > Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? >> > >> > -- >> > Nick Medford From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Jan 8 13:51:28 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:51:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Sighting Message-ID: Tommy Zvoncheck, keyboard player on Club Ninja (the album and tour) (NO that is not the greatest resume I admit), has released a new CD called "ZKG," on which our Buck guests on one of the tracks, called "Storm Chaser." Zvoncheck has worked with a plethora of musicians including PiL, Clarence Clemmons, Aldo Nova and more. Y -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 8 14:10:37 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:10:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: no, wrong again - I'd drop this if I were you - I wasn't after anyone guessing - just making a point. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "iain Ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > Andrew, in that case the initails must be MR ( not riley) > > regards > iain > > ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > No - wrong DJ - I would never malign Peel ever - always was a frontrunner - > > still is - always will be. > > Andy Garibaldi. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick Medford" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:24 PM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > > > > In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > > > GARIBALDI writes > > > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't > > > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't > > > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion > > > > > > Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? > > > > > > -- > > > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 8 14:17:08 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:17:08 -0000 Subject: HW:Samantha Fox Message-ID: the album was 'M=EC2' and the collaboration with gerald was 'Synthesis' Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, starfield wrote: > > > The Melodic Energy Commission albums are quite good though. Have you got > > those? There was actually a third album, which featured Del on just one > > track - a cassette only release. I have that somewhere. Plus he did an album > > with Gerald Toon. > > For the sake of the information, can you say a little more about > tht last one? I can't track it down. If you could put a name to the third > MEC album too that would be a help. Cheers, > Jon > > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 8 14:27:23 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:27:23 -0000 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: Not for me - never have liked anything they did. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 > Wot no ICU?? > > In message <011101c07908$36f810a0$639abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > >Bedouin-As Above So Below (when it comes) > >Starfield-Return To Earth > >Nik Turner-Space Ritual > >Spiral Realms-Solar Winds > >Anubian Lights - Eternal Sky > >Harvey Bainbridge-Red Shift > >Robert Calvert-Capt Lockheed > >Star Nation-EP > >Jerry Richards/Alf Harvey-Paradogs > >Psychedelic Warriors-White Zone > >n no particular order and using your criteria - the first two Blake albums > >pre-dated Hawkwind with him in it but are the best two by a long way. > >Andy Garibaldi. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "BL Young" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM > >Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation > >> Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a > >> quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > >> > >> 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" > >> 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" > >> 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" > >> 4) Davey "Bedouin" > >> 5) Star Nation > >> 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" > >> 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" > >> 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" > >> 9) House "Yassasim" > >> 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" > >> > > -- > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 8 14:28:19 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:28:19 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: not a clue on that one - sorry, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > what is john peels position on hawkwind??? HAs he ever liked them??? I know > he had some involvement in getting the band signed to a redord label way > back when they just started. > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: iain Ferguson > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 08 January 2001 10:10 > Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > > >Andrew, in that case the initails must be MR ( not riley) > > > >regards > >iain > > > >ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > >> No - wrong DJ - I would never malign Peel ever - always was a > frontrunner - > >> still is - always will be. > >> Andy Garibaldi. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nick Medford" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > >> > >> > In message <009a01c07810$3058a6e0$3b9abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > >> > GARIBALDI writes > >> > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I > don't > >> > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but > won't > >> > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion > >> > > >> > Would his initials be J.P. by any chance?? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Nick Medford From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Jan 8 14:19:05 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:19:05 GMT Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen him with one of those guitars in ages. http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html Mick > Hello all, > >Just had a look at the astoria gig photos on the Hawkwind site and saw a marvelous photo of Dave. >He stand on the right (of the photo) and just seeing the top of his guitar with the strings haning loose. >I've put the picture as a back-screen and it's just fabulous. >Try it once you all and if you don't like it,try another. >I do so,every 2 weeks I put on another Hawkwind-back-screen. >The Sam Fox-Dave Brock back to back was on till the Astoria. >Although it was a funny photo,this one is just Dave !!!!!! >I really like this photo,as does my wife,she met Dave also and she says:"it's really him" >I can't actually put it into words,but that's a picture that caputeres Dave for me. >Sorry,it sounds a little bit wacko,but that's what's on my mind > >greetings >filip hawknut May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 8 14:31:49 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:31:49 -0500 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: ; from jon@COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:36:51PM +0000 Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:36:51PM +0000, Jon Browne wrote: > In article <20010105164456.C14170 at telepres.com>, Eric Siegerman > writes > >> (NICK TURNER, TERRY OLLIS, HUE LLOYD LANGTON, DIK MIK, THOMAS CRIMBOL) > >> ?10.00 > > > >Somebody at Ticketweb should learn to spell :-/ > > > or maybe it's the drummer from Lords Of The New Church fronting this > time. And the mythical other Nick Turner, and that Lloyd Langton's a colourful character :-) Seriously, 3 errors in 5 names? Jeez! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 14:32:35 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:32:35 +0000 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 In-Reply-To: <006901c079a9$0760eb40$1e86bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In article <006901c079a9$0760eb40$1e86bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Not for me - never have liked anything they did. >Andy G. Not even "Bones Of Elvis"? Blimey. -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 8 13:34:38 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:34:38 EDT Subject: calling <> In-Reply-To: <005f01c079a8$da237f80$1e86bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: A week or so ago, someone, <>, I think, posted a link for songs that were on the charts in the 60s, 70s, etc. Does anyone still have it? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 8 13:37:24 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:37:24 EDT Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <20010108191831.QLWP10093.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's playing a Les Paul, the model in question... theo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 14:34:41 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: HW: questions - sorry if they are stupid Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:32:07 -0000, bedroom trancer wrote: >Did calvert era hawkwind/hawklords/sonic assassins (75-78) >ever play any of calverts songs off lucky lief or captain lockhead. The "tracks" file lists the following gig: 06.03.76, LONDON, IMPERIAL COLLEGE, 80/6 intro / assault & battery / golden void / magnu / brainstorm I / right stuff / brainstorm II / aubergine that ate rangoon / reefer madness / wind of change / steppenwolf / opa loka / making of midgard / sonic attack / kerb crawler / master of the universe ... so the answer appears to be "YES" to both ("Right Stuff" and "Making of Midgard"). This sounds like a tape I'd really like to hear ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 14:50:58 2001 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:58 EST Subject: BOC: Buck Sighting Message-ID: In a message dated 01/08/2001 1:52:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > Tommy Zvoncheck, keyboard player on Club Ninja (the album and tour) (NO that > is not the greatest resume I admit), Hey, he played the great keyboards on Imaginos, don't forget...a definite high point on any resume. :-) SET -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Jan 8 15:01:30 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:01:30 -0000 Subject: HW:Samantha Fox Message-ID: The third MEC album was called M=E/C2, though to be honest, its not one of the best albums ever made, and not in the same league as Migration and Stranger. Its a while since I played it, but I seem to recall one lenghty number which features what sounds like the band playing billiards. Badly. Andy G should be able to put a name to the Gerald Toon one. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Jarrett To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox > On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, starfield wrote: > > > The Melodic Energy Commission albums are quite good though. Have you got > > those? There was actually a third album, which featured Del on just one > > track - a cassette only release. I have that somewhere. Plus he did an album > > with Gerald Toon. > > For the sake of the information, can you say a little more about > tht last one? I can't track it down. If you could put a name to the third > MEC album too that would be a help. Cheers, > Jon > > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Jan 8 14:23:22 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:23:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: They did tune down a semitone, in the same way that Bedouin still do. I once asked Dave about this, his reply was that nearly all the recordings up to Astounding Sounds were done this way because it sounded more powerful. Apparently, Simon House found it difficult to jam to, so they went up to concert pitch and have been there ever since. I think Wind of Change is one number that broke the mould, because you can't (easily!) detune a pipe organ. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? No, I'm sure they just tuned down a half step. Lots of Hawkwind recordings are tuned down, btw. John Majka In a message dated 1/7/01 9:14:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK writes: However, I am certain the base key is D and not D flat which is a sort of unatural key for a busking style song being played on the guitar. I know I'm not crazy (not dangerously, anyway) and both versions on the EMI remaster of Hurry On Sundown are in D-flat. So maybe they slowed the tape down when it was mastered for the album? Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Jan 8 15:04:29 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:04:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Sighting Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 15:08:22 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:08:22 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned (with pic?) on the back of the Church album. To push my luck even further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone endorsement advert as well. Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! Si ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > > > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > > I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's > playing a Les Paul, the model in question... > > theo From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 8 15:16:29 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:16:29 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: Westone Thunder I-A I believe, tarted up with the WotEoT artcowkr - very nice looking too. Guitar's crap (I had one too :-)). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Si Halley To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned (with > pic?) on the back of the Church album. > To push my luck even further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone > endorsement advert as well. > > Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! > > Si > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Jackson jr." > To: > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > > > > On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > > > > > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > > > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > > > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > > > > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > > > > I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's > > playing a Les Paul, the model in question... > > > > theo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 14:45:26 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:45:26 -0800 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:36:51 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >In article <20010105164456.C14170 at telepres.com>, Eric Siegerman > writes >>> (NICK TURNER, TERRY OLLIS, HUE LLOYD LANGTON, DIK MIK, THOMAS CRIMBOL) >>> ?10.00 >> >>Somebody at Ticketweb should learn to spell :-/ > >or maybe it's the drummer from Lords Of The New Church ... and the Barracudas (ontopicness: Lords Of The New Church guitarist = Brian James -> ex-Damned -> Doomed -> bassist=Lemmy ... OR Brian James -> Tanz Der Youth -> drummer=Al Powell ... and there's gotta be a way to get from Lords' singer Stiv Bators of the Dead Boys to BOC via the Alan Lanier / Jim Carroll / Patti Smith NYC punk/poet connection) >fronting this time. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Jan 8 15:18:08 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:18:08 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: That indeed is a nice photo, and it is indeed a Gibson Les Paul guitar. Suggest it dates from 1988-1990? This particular guitar should not be confused with the Dick Knight Custom Built Les Paul Copy that Dave used from 1971 - 1975. That one started life with 2 pickups but had a further 2 added around 1974. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > > > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > > I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's > playing a Les Paul, the model in question... > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 8 14:23:07 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:23:07 EDT Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <006e01c079ae$c1ebcb60$0100a8c0@kermitz> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 01, at 20:08, Si Halley wrote: > He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned > (with pic?) on the back of the Church album. To push my luck even > further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone endorsement advert as > well. > > Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! > Well, ain't I all red-faced on this one! The name's familiar, but I can't picture what a Westone looks like. Can anyone describe it, or perhaps direct me to a picture of one? My guitar-obsessed faded brain will thank you... theo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 15:10:03 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:10:03 -0800 Subject: BOC: Buck Sighting Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:58 EST, Steven Tice wrote: >In a message dated 01/08/2001 1:52:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, >mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > >> Tommy Zvoncheck, keyboard player on Club Ninja (the album and tour) (NO that >> is not the greatest resume I admit) ... Zvoncheck has worked with a plethora >>of musicians including PiL, Clarence Clemmons, Aldo Nova and more. > >Hey, he played the great keyboards on Imaginos, don't forget...a definite >high point on any resume. :-) ... and with the Dream Syndicate (on their 'Not The New Dream Syndicate ... LIVE' mini-LP), which is significant since that connects me (in the rock family tree game, since I played on one of Russ Tolman's albums, several of which were produced/guested-on by Steve Wynn of the Dream Syndicate) to BOC and all those other bands :^) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Jan 8 15:24:16 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:24:16 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: Not sure, but think the Warrior guitar is a Westone Paduak. Dave did endorse Westone for a while, but ironically in the Church photo he's holding a nice Ibanez Artist Active EQ. I know about that one 'cos I now own it. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > Westone Thunder I-A I believe, tarted up with the WotEoT artcowkr - very > nice looking too. Guitar's crap (I had one too :-)). > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Si Halley > To: > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > > > > He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned > (with > > pic?) on the back of the Church album. > > To push my luck even further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone > > endorsement advert as well. > > > > Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! > > > > Si > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ted Jackson jr." > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:37 PM > > Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > > > > > > > On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > > > > > > > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > > > > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > > > > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > > > > > > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > > > > > > I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's > > > playing a Les Paul, the model in question... > > > > > > theo From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jan 8 15:29:00 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:29:00 -0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010108114526.009f2a10@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > ... and the Barracudas (ontopicness: Lords Of The New Church guitarist = > Brian James -> ex-Damned -> Doomed -> bassist=Lemmy ... OR Brian James -> > Tanz Der Youth -> drummer=Al Powell ... and there's gotta be a way to get > from Lords' singer Stiv Bators of the Dead Boys to BOC via the Alan Lanier > / Jim Carroll / Patti Smith NYC punk/poet connection) Brian James has started a band (Mad for the Racket) with Wayne Kramer, brother Wayne was in the MC5 with Fred Sonic Smith, Sonic married Patti... -- Andy www.andygilham.com From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 15:44:25 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:44:25 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: I`ve still got a Thunder 1-A Bass. I always liked it but never gigged with it (being a guitarist and all). Si ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Perry" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > Westone Thunder I-A I believe, tarted up with the WotEoT artcowkr - very > nice looking too. Guitar's crap (I had one too :-)). > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Si Halley > To: > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > > > > He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned > (with > > pic?) on the back of the Church album. > > To push my luck even further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone > > endorsement advert as well. > > > > Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! > > > > Si > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ted Jackson jr." > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:37 PM > > Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > > > > > > > On 8 Jan 01, at 19:19, Michael Crook wrote: > > > > > > > Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I > > > > think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen > > > > him with one of those guitars in ages. > > > > > > > > http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > > > > > > I'm not a huge HW fan, but every picture I've ever seen of DB, he's > > > playing a Les Paul, the model in question... > > > > > > theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 15:47:04 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list In-Reply-To: <005e01c079a8$d961b620$1e86bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <005e01c079a8$d961b620$1e86bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >no, wrong again > - I'd drop this if I were you Andy can I point out that this second guess came from someone else! I wondered if it might be Peel as he championed prog-rock in the early 70s, OTOH he's always championed whatever's new and cutting-edge, and long may he continue to do so. I wouldn't want to malign him either, I have the greatest respect for the old dude. FWIW I don't think I can name any Radio 1 DJs aside from Peel, so I couldn't essay any further guesses even if I wanted to. Nick >- I wasn't after anyone >guessing - just making a point. >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "iain Ferguson" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:10 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > >> Andrew, in that case the initails must be MR ( not riley) >> >> regards >> iain >> -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 15:49:35 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:49:35 +0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >Brian James has started a band (Mad for the Racket) with Wayne Kramer, That sounds like it could be very tasty indeed. I saw WK recently in London and he was on scorching form. And the early Damned singles penned by James are classics, one and all. Any more info on the new venture? -- Nick Medford From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 15:52:11 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:52:11 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <200101082023.PAA21824@syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <200101082023.PAA21824 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr. writes >On 8 Jan 01, at 20:08, Si Halley wrote: > >> He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned >> (with pic?) on the back of the Church album. To push my luck even >> further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone endorsement advert as >> well. >> >> Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! >> >Well, ain't I all red-faced on this one! The name's familiar, but I can't >picture what a Westone looks like. Can anyone describe it, or >perhaps direct me to a picture of one? My guitar-obsessed faded >brain will thank you... You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was the Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but Huw used a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. -- David Blair From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 16:01:40 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:01:40 EST Subject: calling <> Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/01 2:35:18 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << A week or so ago, someone, <>, I think, posted a link for songs that were on the charts in the 60s, 70s, etc. Does anyone still have it? theo >> ===== why shore, pardner! Hits of 1969, okay? "<>" From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 16:21:22 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? In-Reply-To: <005001c078df$e92db1e0$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: I am curious ... twenty years ago when I was trying to work this stuff out I was a pretty inept guitarist ... does my version of the intro section in any way match the original or was I way off-base? (Unlike a good friend of mine who managed to transcribe the chord sequence to High Rise on virtually the first listening - I never could do that sort of thing). To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a sub 2MB version please? Here's hopin' Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > Sent: 07 January 2001 19:28 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > Shameless self-publicity, but I've finally got round to uploading my own > interpretation of Hurry On Sundown - > www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 - > it's quite big (5MB or so) and goes on for ages :-) > > That's D-C-G-D/C-G-D (apart from the original bit which is C-D/F-G). > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Edmonds > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > Well it is years since I had my guitars so I am really digging the brain > > cells here. This is what I can remember so fiddle around to get it > > right... > > > > The whole piece is basically in D major. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 8 15:41:47 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:41:47 EDT Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Jan 01, at 20:52, Tigger wrote: > You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was > the Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but > Huw used a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. Right! But what does the thing look like? Solid body, I assume? Double cutaway? Strat-like? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 8 15:42:25 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:42:25 EDT Subject: calling <> In-Reply-To: <53.babca6.278b84b4@aol.com> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 01, at 16:01, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 1/8/01 2:35:18 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > << A week or so ago, someone, <>, I think, posted a link for songs > that were on the charts in the 60s, 70s, etc. Does anyone still have > it? > > theo > > >> > ===== > why shore, pardner! > > > Hits of 1969, > okay? You the man, <>! theo From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 8 17:00:17 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:00:17 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: There's a picture on IITBOTFTBD. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning > On 8 Jan 01, at 20:08, Si Halley wrote: > > > He used a Westone in the early `80`s. In fact I believe it`s mentioned > > (with pic?) on the back of the Church album. To push my luck even > > further I seem to vaguely remember a Westone endorsement advert as > > well. > > > > Hey, I used to have one. That why it stuck in the memory! > > > Well, ain't I all red-faced on this one! The name's familiar, but I can't > picture what a Westone looks like. Can anyone describe it, or > perhaps direct me to a picture of one? My guitar-obsessed faded > brain will thank you... > > theo From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 8 17:01:58 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:01:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Your intro's almost right and is much better than I'd ever managed to work out - almost got it now (I'll be busking on the Tubes soon :-)). I'll redo the mp3 - it's 128K stereo at the moment, so I can get it down quite a bit - I want to remix it anyway (anyone else found that the balance of instruments changes a lot after encoding an mp3? Or is it just that my PC speakers are crap?) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > I am curious ... twenty years ago when I was trying to work this stuff out I > was a pretty inept guitarist ... does my version of the intro section in any > way match the original or was I way off-base? (Unlike a good friend of mine > who managed to transcribe the chord sequence to High Rise on virtually the > first listening - I never could do that sort of thing). > > To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with > that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it > down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a > sub 2MB version please? > > Here's hopin' > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > > Sent: 07 January 2001 19:28 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > > > Shameless self-publicity, but I've finally got round to uploading my own > > interpretation of Hurry On Sundown - > > www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 - > > it's quite big (5MB or so) and goes on for ages :-) > > > > That's D-C-G-D/C-G-D (apart from the original bit which is C-D/F-G). > > > > --- > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > > duties." > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Edmonds > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > > > > Well it is years since I had my guitars so I am really digging the brain > > > cells here. This is what I can remember so fiddle around to get it > > > right... > > > > > > The whole piece is basically in D major. From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Jan 8 16:44:23 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:44:23 +0100 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, >You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was the >Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but Huw used >a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. Harvey used an Fender P bass most of the time AFAIK. (c)IAO D'Steinberger'+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 17:14:23 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:14:23 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <200101082142.QAA11647@syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <200101082142.QAA11647 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr. writes >On 8 Jan 01, at 20:52, Tigger wrote: > >> You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was >> the Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but >> Huw used a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. > >Right! But what does the thing look like? Solid body, I assume? >Double cutaway? Strat-like? Similar, but shorter horns and fatter body. The natural finish ones looked very nice indeed. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402632166 I think that's the original concord -- David Blair From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 17:34:48 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:34:48 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Tigger writes >In article <200101082142.QAA11647 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr. > writes >>On 8 Jan 01, at 20:52, Tigger wrote: >> >>> You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was >>> the Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but >>> Huw used a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. >> >>Right! But what does the thing look like? Solid body, I assume? >>Double cutaway? Strat-like? > >Similar, but shorter horns and fatter body. The natural finish ones >looked very nice indeed. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1402632166 >I think that's the original concord And there's a pic of Huw with his concord at http://www.adawson.clara.net// -- David Blair From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 16:34:04 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:34:04 -0800 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:22 -0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: >To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with >that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it >down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a >sub 2MB version please? Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The tape I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and the tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You Shouldn't Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. Just a thought ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Jan 8 18:04:35 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:04:35 -0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Brian James has started a band (Mad for the Racket) with Wayne Kramer, > > That sounds like it could be very tasty indeed. I saw WK recently > in London > and he was on scorching form. And the early Damned singles penned by > James are classics, one and all. Any more info on the new venture? Check out www.waynekramer.com (where else? :) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 8 18:14:13 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:14:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: I have my own Web server - just how much space would you like :-) Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on the 5th fret (top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm sure it's somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:22 -0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with > >that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it > >down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a > >sub 2MB version please? > > Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The tape > I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and the > tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's > are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You Shouldn't > Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. > > Just a thought ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 18:35:51 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:35:51 +0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >> >Brian James has started a band (Mad for the Racket) with Wayne Kramer, >> >> That sounds like it could be very tasty indeed. I saw WK recently >> in London >> and he was on scorching form. And the early Damned singles penned by >> James are classics, one and all. Any more info on the new venture? > >Check out www.waynekramer.com (where else? :) Shoulda guessed really. Didn't know the great man had his own site... cheers for the pointer. Pretty good site too. I actually hadn't realised that Mick Farren had co-written so many of Wayne's songs: some classic Farren lyrics there... Damn, I promised myself not to score any CDs for a while after indulging in an orgy of shiny-disc-buying last month. But gosh darn it I'm gonna HAVE to get some Brother Wayne into the ol' CD collection. Oh well... -- Nick Medford From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 18:40:37 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:40:37 EST Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/01 6:09:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: > Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on the 5th fret > (top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm sure it's > somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! > > I don't know,Kiss of the Velvet Whip/Sweet Mistress of Pain, maybe? Kind of sound like the "Down and down you slowly slide . . ." bit. Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 18:57:40 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:57:40 EST Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/01 3:23:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > Well, ain't I all red-faced on this one! The name's familiar, but I can't > picture what a Westone looks like. Can anyone describe it, or > perhaps direct me to a picture of one? My guitar-obsessed faded > brain will thank you... > > www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/6961/westone/index.html Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 19:06:42 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:06:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? In-Reply-To: <37.f17d33f.278ba9f5@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <37.f17d33f.278ba9f5 at aol.com>, Joe Loehr writes > In a message dated 1/8/01 6:09:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: > > >> Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on >> the 5th fret >> (top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm >> sure it's >> somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! > > > > I don't know,Kiss of the Velvet Whip/Sweet Mistress of Pain, maybe? > Kind of > sound like the "Down and down you slowly slide . . ." bit. It's either the beginning of You Know Youre Only Dreaming' from In Search Of Space, or the end of the Space Ritual version of Space Is Deep -- David Blair From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Mon Jan 8 19:43:58 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:43:58 -0600 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: Never really heard any ICU, so I'm not qualified to comment. I know the whole works is on mp3, so someday I'll burn off a few cdrs. Sorry to exhibit my ignorance.... Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Nick Medford To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Re: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 >Wot no ICU?? > >In message <011101c07908$36f810a0$639abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW >GARIBALDI writes >>Bedouin-As Above So Below (when it comes) >>Starfield-Return To Earth >>Nik Turner-Space Ritual >>Spiral Realms-Solar Winds >>Anubian Lights - Eternal Sky >>Harvey Bainbridge-Red Shift >>Robert Calvert-Capt Lockheed >>Star Nation-EP >>Jerry Richards/Alf Harvey-Paradogs >>Psychedelic Warriors-White Zone >>n no particular order and using your criteria - the first two Blake albums >>pre-dated Hawkwind with him in it but are the best two by a long way. >>Andy Garibaldi. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "BL Young" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM >>Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation >>> Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a >>> quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: >>> >>> 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" >>> 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" >>> 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" >>> 4) Davey "Bedouin" >>> 5) Star Nation >>> 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" >>> 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" >>> 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" >>> 9) House "Yassasim" >>> 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" >>> > >-- >Nick Medford From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jan 8 20:44:11 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:44:11 +0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010108114526.009f2a10@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > >or maybe it's the drummer from Lords Of The New Church > > ... and the Barracudas (ontopicness: Lords Of The New Church guitarist = > Brian James -> ex-Damned -> Doomed -> bassist=Lemmy ... OR Brian James -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Am I reading this right? Who is this Doomed and what's Lemmy to them that they are midful of him? Yours, Jon ObCD: The Eastern Dark - _Where Are All the Single Girls?_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Jan 8 20:53:00 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:53:00 -0600 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: I kinda like ICU's Punkadelic album version of "Watching the Grass Grow" for it's bombasticity. Hawkwind did at least one rendition that I know of that appears on Hawkwind's 1984 Stonehenge VHS (Roy Harper and the Enid are on that one as well). Bryan Young wrote: > Never really heard any ICU, so I'm not qualified to comment. I know the > whole works is on mp3, so someday I'll burn off a few cdrs. Sorry to > exhibit my ignorance.... > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Medford > To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu > Date: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 > > >Wot no ICU?? > > > >In message <011101c07908$36f810a0$639abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > >GARIBALDI writes > >>Bedouin-As Above So Below (when it comes) > >>Starfield-Return To Earth > >>Nik Turner-Space Ritual > >>Spiral Realms-Solar Winds > >>Anubian Lights - Eternal Sky > >>Harvey Bainbridge-Red Shift > >>Robert Calvert-Capt Lockheed > >>Star Nation-EP > >>Jerry Richards/Alf Harvey-Paradogs > >>Psychedelic Warriors-White Zone > >>n no particular order and using your criteria - the first two Blake albums > >>pre-dated Hawkwind with him in it but are the best two by a long way. > >>Andy Garibaldi. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "BL Young" > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:59 AM > >>Subject: Re: HW: -Star Nation > >>> Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's > a > >>> quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > >>> > >>> 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" > >>> 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" > >>> 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" > >>> 4) Davey "Bedouin" > >>> 5) Star Nation > >>> 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" > >>> 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" > >>> 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" > >>> 9) House "Yassasim" > >>> 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" > >>> > > > >-- > >Nick Medford From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jan 8 20:59:19 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:59:19 EST Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/01 8:57:05 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: << bombasticity. >> === great word! "<>" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 18:24:35 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:24:35 -0800 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:14:13 -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: >Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on the 5th fret >(top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm sure it's >somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! "You Know You're Only Dreaming"! I had the same thing happen when I first learned the D-shape ... my first thought was "what Hawkwind song is that, again?" I'm pretty certain I've heard the exact same descending line in someone else's song, too. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 8 21:28:01 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:28:01 -0800 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:44:11 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: >> >or maybe it's the drummer from Lords Of The New Church >> >> ... and the Barracudas (ontopicness: Lords Of The New Church guitarist = >> Brian James -> ex-Damned -> Doomed -> bassist=Lemmy ... OR Brian James -> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Am I reading this right? Who is this Doomed and what's Lemmy to >them that they are midful of him? The "Doomed" were a one-off version of the Damned circa '78 who played one or two shows. I *believe* the lineup was Vanian / Sensible / Lemmy / Scabies, although this was around the time Rat Scabies was out of the band, temporarily replaced by (future Culture Club drummer) Jon Moss. This would've also been one of (if not THE) the first gigs after Brian James quit and the Captain moved to guitar. There's also the Damned's version of "Ballroom Blitz" with Lemmy c.'79. Is that one on the "Hawkwind spin-offs" list? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 8 22:18:50 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:48:50 +1030 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Please tell me how I can get to hear this mp3?? Must have missed something previously doh'oke Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > I am curious ... twenty years ago when I was trying to work this stuff out I > was a pretty inept guitarist ... does my version of the intro section in any > way match the original or was I way off-base? (Unlike a good friend of mine > who managed to transcribe the chord sequence to High Rise on virtually the > first listening - I never could do that sort of thing). > > To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with > that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it > down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a > sub 2MB version please? > > Here's hopin' > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > > Sent: 07 January 2001 19:28 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > > > Shameless self-publicity, but I've finally got round to uploading my own > > interpretation of Hurry On Sundown - > > www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 - > > it's quite big (5MB or so) and goes on for ages :-) > > > > That's D-C-G-D/C-G-D (apart from the original bit which is C-D/F-G). > > > > --- > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > > duties." > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mark Edmonds > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > > > > Well it is years since I had my guitars so I am really digging the brain > > > cells here. This is what I can remember so fiddle around to get it > > > right... > > > > > > The whole piece is basically in D major. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 8 22:23:55 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:53:55 +1030 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: I've got one of Arrival in Utopia - and my business web site has a fair chunk left on it... I'll get back to ya's on that... direct any interest to michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au sounds like fun!! Michael Blackhawk ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:22 -0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with > >that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it > >down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a > >sub 2MB version please? > > Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The tape > I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and the > tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's > are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You Shouldn't > Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. > > Just a thought ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 9 01:16:03 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:16:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: My versions is at www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:18 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > Please tell me how I can get to hear this mp3?? > > Must have missed something previously doh'oke > > Mb From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 8 13:47:16 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:47:16 -0000 Subject: HW: -Star Nation Message-ID: From: BL Young > Wonder what the top ten of "must-have" offshoot things would be? Here's a > quick idea of what I'm stacking this up against: > > 1) Calvert "Capt Lockheed" > 2) Davey "Captured Rotation" > 3) Calvert "At the Queen Elizabeth Hall" > 4) Davey "Bedouin" > 5) Star Nation > 6) Calvert "Lucky Leif" > 7) Davey "Sci-Fi Delic" > 8) Amon Duul "Die Losung" > 9) House "Yassasim" > 10) Bainbridge "Red Shift" Wouldn't have included Sci-Fi Delic myself, though the other two AD's are terrific. Would also substitute "Lucky Leif" with "Test Tube Concieved". Must include either of the Nik Turner USA live CD's (they sound like "lost" Hawkwind recordings to me) and also LLG Night Air. Ian From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 9 03:58:25 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:58:25 +0000 Subject: HW: -Star Nation In-Reply-To: <000101c07a06$4811ea60$56c1883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: At 18.47 +0000 8.1.2001, Ian Abrahams wrote: >Must include either of the Nik Turner USA live CD's (they sound like "lost" >Hawkwind recordings to me) IMO, the sound on the second of the two is better. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Jan 9 05:34:58 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:34:58 -0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Shoulda guessed really. Didn't know the great man had his own > site... cheers > for the pointer. Pretty good site too. I actually hadn't realised > that Mick > Farren had co-written so many of Wayne's songs: some classic Farren lyrics > there... You'll have seen Mick's site (not updated recently, but lots of good stuff) at http://hometown.aol.com/byron4d/index.html then! -- Andy www.andygilham.com From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 05:52:30 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:52:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Kevin Perry says.. > My versions is at > > www.alien8.co.uk/Custom/Audio/t32.mp3 Is it just me but as the intro builds up to climax (0:56-0:59) I expect to hear "In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out...." (Mirrot of Illusion) not "Hurry on Sundown"? M at xine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 05:54:45 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:54:45 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: One of my favourite photos of Dave Brock is the one with his arm around Vera Lynn - anyone know the story behind this mysterious coupling? M at xine From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 9 06:34:13 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:34:13 EDT Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 In-Reply-To: <48.fd3845c.278bca77@aol.com> Message-ID: On 8 Jan 01, at 20:59, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 1/8/01 8:57:05 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > > << bombasticity. >> > === > great word! > > "<>" Hey, did our president-elect coin that one? theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 9 08:02:25 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:02:25 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <282FC602CBD@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <282FC602CBD at ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk>, Maxine Wesley writes >One of my favourite photos of Dave Brock is the one with his arm >around Vera Lynn - anyone know the story behind this mysterious >coupling? > >M at xine Haven't seen the pic, but it sounds like it's from the Anti-Heroin Campaign gig at The Crystal Palace Bowl, with Vera, the Hawks, the inevitable Medics, Spear Of Destiny etc. The Hawks headlined, and Vera did her bluebirds numbers at the end. Nice. Lemmy was at that one too AFAIK. -- Jon ObCD - West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band / Part One. From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jan 9 08:18:04 2001 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:18:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: The intro sounds good,but to be sure I need to listen to the original and I need more than my two month's experience with the guitar... I'm hoping to put together a tab from the various contributions people have made. If it happens, I'll make it available, but it might take a while. I like Kevin's version, nice bit of synth, nice mood changes in the intro, although from the sound of your singing voice, Kevin, do you need a new bicycle seat? :-) Mark > From: Mark Edmonds > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > I am curious ... twenty years ago when I was trying to work this stuff out I > was a pretty inept guitarist ... does my version of the intro section in any > way match the original or was I way off-base? (Unlike a good friend of mine > who managed to transcribe the chord sequence to High Rise on virtually the > first listening - I never could do that sort of thing). > > To Kevin Perry, I am really fascinated to hear your MP3 but can't deal with > that big a MP3 on my crappy connection. Is there any chance you can trim it > down a little? If I gave you my business e-mail address, could you send me a > sub 2MB version please? > > Here's hopin' > > Mark From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Jan 9 09:03:31 2001 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:03:31 +0000 Subject: HW:Nikwind gig Message-ID: I have a tape if this gig... and they do Silver Machine..., man I woulda loved to have seen that show! Yup, it was Scabies playing drums. Dave >The "Doomed" were a one-off version of the Damned circa '78 who played one >or two shows. I *believe* the lineup was Vanian / Sensible / Lemmy / >Scabies, although this was around the time Rat Scabies was out of the band, >temporarily replaced by (future Culture Club drummer) Jon Moss. This >would've also been one of (if not THE) the first gigs after Brian James >quit and the Captain moved to guitar. > >There's also the Damned's version of "Ballroom Blitz" with Lemmy c.'79. Is >that one on the "Hawkwind spin-offs" list? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 9 10:05:38 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:05:38 +0200 Subject: OFF: Hello...again Message-ID: Hi! >Welcome back. What's up with The Moor? Have you guys been in contact >with Nik at all lately? > >Saw the Moor listing on mp3.com. Nice! >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/139/the_moor.html > >If there's anyone on the list that hasn't heard of The Moor yet, they're >definitely worth checking out. 100% agree. Flux is super. I like words, great indeed. >Scandinavian spacerock rules! Yeah! Hey Scott, when Dark Sun CD is coming out? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 9 11:32:12 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:32:12 +0000 Subject: HW:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Arin Komins wrote: > :> Not forgetting the bloke on sax/flute. > : > : Yeah - did anyone hear who he was? Captain Bl at ck, tell us > :more! Yours, > > His name is Jez Huggett. Thanks! But where did he come from, where does he fit, is he permanent or just guesting, you know, stuff! Yours curiously, Jon ObCD: DarXtar - _DarXtar_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jan 9 11:42:53 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:42:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hello...again In-Reply-To: <200101091505.f09F5cn18434@kauha.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: >Hi! > > >Welcome back. What's up with The Moor? Have you guys been in contact > >with Nik at all lately? > > > >Saw the Moor listing on mp3.com. Nice! > >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/139/the_moor.html > > > >If there's anyone on the list that hasn't heard of The Moor yet, they're > >definitely worth checking out. > >100% agree. Flux is super. I like words, great indeed. Ah, thanx, at the moment we're mixing a live-album which mostly will feature new song, re-working of old ones and two Nik songs (Pyramid Spell an God Rock). Last time I spoke to Nik was just before the Hawkestra gig but we were only discussing the right to release his songs on mp3.com and the prospect for a possible tour 2001. I see You haven't calmed down here, in just two or three days I've got an amazing 118 letters ! Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 9 12:49:58 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:49:58 -0500 Subject: HW: -Offshoots Top 10 Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:34:13 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >On 8 Jan 01, at 20:59, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >> In a message dated 1/8/01 8:57:05 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: >> >> << bombasticity. >> >> === >> great word! >> >> "<>" >Hey, did our president-elect coin that one? Isn't it from a sci-fi B-movie? DARK LORDS OF BOMBASTI CITY ...or something. From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Jan 9 13:07:26 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:07:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock Message-ID: Hi all Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on these, and what are the lineups? Are these the releases that got the whole "Stamps" thing in an uproar as well? By the way SpaceBrock is great Dave! Thanks for the music Arin!! Thanks in advance. Mike. _______________________ Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Jan 9 13:34:11 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:34:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 13:07 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: >Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I >know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on >these VOL_1 London, Hammersmith Odeon, 01.December 1979 Except "Shot Down In The Night" which is from St. Albans, 08. December 1979 Lineup: Brock, Longton, Blake, Bainbridge, King VOL_2 London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, Lemmy Bernhard From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Jan 9 13:30:19 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:30:19 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: i bought hawkwind "hawkwind" EMI remaster CD special addition and theres i think anyway a brilliant pic of nik with his sax on the inside sleeve. colm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Crook To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 08 January 2001 19:22 Subject: Re: HW:Dave Grinning >Have a look at this photo I found of Dave, He's not grinning but I think its a cool pic. Anyone know when it dates from? I've not seen him with one of those guitars in ages. > >http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > >Mick > > > >> Hello all, >> >>Just had a look at the astoria gig photos on the Hawkwind site and saw a marvelous photo of Dave. >>He stand on the right (of the photo) and just seeing the top of his guitar with the strings haning loose. >>I've put the picture as a back-screen and it's just fabulous. >>Try it once you all and if you don't like it,try another. >>I do so,every 2 weeks I put on another Hawkwind-back-screen. >>The Sam Fox-Dave Brock back to back was on till the Astoria. >>Although it was a funny photo,this one is just Dave !!!!!! >>I really like this photo,as does my wife,she met Dave also and she says:"it's really him" >>I can't actually put it into words,but that's a picture that caputeres Dave for me. >>Sorry,it sounds a little bit wacko,but that's what's on my mind >> >>greetings >>filip hawknut > >May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Jan 9 13:53:07 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:53:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock Message-ID: Bernard Once again you prove SO valuable to this list. Thank you for this response and all your help over the years.. Michael. Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi > > At 13:07 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: > >> Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I >> know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on >> these > > > VOL_1 > London, Hammersmith Odeon, 01.December 1979 > Except "Shot Down In The Night" which is from St. Albans, 08. December 1979 > > Lineup: Brock, Longton, Blake, Bainbridge, King > > > > VOL_2 > London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 > Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 > > Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, Lemmy > > > > > > Bernhard > > -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 9 13:59:13 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:59:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: You should hear Starfield's version of Space is Deep. Captain Bl at ck > > Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The tape > I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and the > tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's > are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You Shouldn't > Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. > > Just a thought ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Jan 9 14:09:34 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:09:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock In-Reply-To: <3A5B5E13.3040607@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael At 13:53 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: >Once again you prove SO valuable to this list. Thank you for >this response and all your help over the years.. Thanks very much for these kind words If you need some more help do not hesitate to ask cheers Bernhard From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jan 9 15:05:28 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:05:28 -0800 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:34:11 +0100 Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >At 13:07 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: >>Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I >>know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on >>these > >VOL_2 >London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 >Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 > >Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, Lemmy ?? I thought it was from 1982 (or 1983?) with Brock, Langton, Bainbridge, Turner & Griffin? Wouldn't be the first time I was confused ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Jan 9 15:37:32 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:37:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: captain black is their anychance we can hear it??? :-) colm -----Original Message----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 09 January 2001 19:05 Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? >You should hear Starfield's version of Space is Deep. > >Captain Bl at ck > >> >> Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we >> listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The tape >> I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and >the >> tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's >> are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You Shouldn't >> Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. >> >> Just a thought ... >> >> -Doug >> ceres at sirius.com > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Jan 9 16:07:13 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:07:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010109120528.009ee620@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hi At 12:05 09.01.2001 -0800, you wrote: >>VOL_2 >>London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 >>Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 >> >>Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, >Lemmy > >?? I thought it was from 1982 (or 1983?) with Brock, Langton, Bainbridge, >Turner & Griffin? > >Wouldn't be the first time I was confused ... Arrrghhh. I made a big mistake. I am very sorry to have confused you out there Here is of course the right date and venue VOL_2 London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.November 1982 Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 12.November 1982 Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, (Moorcock only on 12.11.82), Turner, Griffin Sorry again Bernhard From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 9 16:38:03 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:38:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? In-Reply-To: <007701c079c8$b75699e0$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: It is with out a shadow of doubt You Know You're Only Dreaming. I learnt the guitar by playing Space Ritual! However, if memory serves, you actually need to the play the 0-2-1-2 shape chord (ie, a C instead of a D on the B string). Try it please - I think it is right but as I've said, I haven't had a guitar for years so I might be confusing it with something else. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > Sent: 08 January 2001 23:14 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > I have my own Web server - just how much space would you like :-) > > Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on > the 5th fret > (top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm sure it's > somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! > > --- > Kevin Perry From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 9 16:41:57 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:41:57 +0000 Subject: OFF : Smile In-Reply-To: <200012072025.PAA28853@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single > > actually > > > > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for > > > > sure.(both sides) > > > > >> > > ======= > > really? > > worse than 'love beach'? > > [ducking] > > Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad. > ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L. > Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of > shite along with the stuff I like... ELP are one of those bands I know I should like but whom I can't stand. If I was trying to reason it I'd say that the format tries to do far more than a three-piece band can manage, and that one Hammond no matter how skilfully handled can't be an orchestra. But in terms of my actual feelings on the matter I find them intolerable within three minutes (so I can just about handle `Jeremy Bender' though I think it's stupid) and longer than that and I begin to feel as if Emerson's drilling through my temples with that bloody organ. I'm sure they may be stuff out there that they did that I wouldn't mind so much but I'm not sufficiently masochistic to go looking for it. Rush on the other hand I don't mind. So I guess I fit your pattern :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Kyuss - _Welcome to Sky Valley_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 9 16:50:47 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:50:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Sounds horrible if you do that. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > It is with out a shadow of doubt You Know You're Only Dreaming. I learnt the > guitar by playing Space Ritual! > > However, if memory serves, you actually need to the play the 0-2-1-2 shape > chord (ie, a C instead of a D on the B string). Try it please - I think it > is right but as I've said, I haven't had a guitar for years so I might be > confusing it with something else. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > > Sent: 08 January 2001 23:14 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > > > I have my own Web server - just how much space would you like :-) > > > > Incidentally, what's the HW track that starts with a D shape on > > the 5th fret > > (top 4 strings only) and works down fret by fret slowly? I'm sure it's > > somehting, but if it isn't, I'm using it! > > > > --- > > Kevin Perry From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 9 16:49:41 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:49:41 +0000 Subject: OT: Rush In-Reply-To: <4b.4725f6b.27623c2c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 12/8/00 7:56:47 AM, paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK > writes: > > << Not me! Technical skill is the ONLY thing in music that has anything > even remotely to do with an objective point of view - everything else is > opinion and therefore equally valid/invalid. > == > did i understand correctly? > > technical skill equals/defines objectivity? > > nah, i havent had enough coffee and i gotta go to work. I think what was being got at is that technical skill is one of the few aspects of musical appreciation where there is actually a fixed scale to argue on. Feeling, mood, tone, song structure, whether you *like* it or not, all these things are subjective, but a certain amount of skill can be assessed objectively. Well know of course that this is not the whole story - witness Yngwie Malmsteen - but Paul's point was I think that to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to do away with the only fixed yardstick. And this is of course very well but it doesn't help us much does it? Because Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jan 9 17:05:57 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:05:57 +0000 Subject: HW: finest moments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Steve Litchfield wrote: > Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while. > > What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It > can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit > of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And > why? > > To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on > Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and > driving force (and fun). I've been thinking about this (for some time, you may say, but that's just disorganisation), and my answers are as follows... On record: the moment in `Born To Go' from _Space Ritual_ where they come out of the first boost, as it were: all that angular riffing from Lemmy subsides and he and Dave both start to cruise on a supersonic ballistic trajectory - oh you know where I mean. The bit where you can let your breath out and almost feel the G-force relax. I've always been impressed with `Born To Go' as a song that really does feel like a rocket taking off must do. Live: the first gig I saw, on the Love in Space tour, when the trapeze artist had got up to her full height and Ron was standing beneath her with Kris and the other fire-dancer framing him with waving flames, while `Love in Space' wandered its eerie way round everything. I was far enough forward to smell the flames too and it was just a few minutes where I was utterly transfixed through sight, sound and atmosphere. It was magic, ad there's no other way to describe it, except possibly with lame drug-based adjectives. But I wasn't on any... Yours, Jon ObCD: Jethro Tull - _Aqualung_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jan 9 15:50:01 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:50:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010109120528.009ee620@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:34:11 +0100 Bernhard Pospiech > wrote: > >At 13:07 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: > >>Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I > >>know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on > >>these > > > >VOL_2 > >London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 > >Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 > > > >Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, >Lemmy Hey...what's this ? Is these regular releases ? I did actually see the march 13 gig...one of the best gigs I ever seen... It was also there I meet Juba from darXtar...a couple of interesting days. BTW, I've just ordered Gong's 'Zero to infinity'...is it any good ? Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 9 17:18:35 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:18:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: Well its with a collection of unreleased Starfield stuff I have in the vaults here. If enough other people are putting their own versions out for public consumption, I might be tempted to include it. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > captain black > > is their anychance we can hear it??? > > :-) > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Captain Bl at ck > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 09 January 2001 19:05 > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > >You should hear Starfield's version of Space is Deep. > > > >Captain Bl at ck > > > >> > >> Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > >> listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The > tape > >> I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and > >the > >> tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's > >> are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You > Shouldn't > >> Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. > >> > >> Just a thought ... > >> > >> -Doug > >> ceres at sirius.com > > From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jan 9 17:25:25 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:25:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ooops, I got Your message, Bernhard, when I sent my earlier one...I still really would like to have the 1984 show on a properly mixed CD (or vinyl). >>On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:34:11 +0100 Bernhard Pospiech >> wrote: >> >At 13:07 09.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Now that I have the collectors series Vol's 1 & 2.. what do I have? I >> >>know there was a thread earlier about these, but what shows are on >> >>these >> > >> >VOL_2 >> >London, Hammersmith Odeon, 14.March 1984 >> >Except "Warriors" which is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 13.March 1984 >> > >> >Lineup: Brock, Longton, Bainbridge, Moorcock, Turner, Deamer, Dead Fred, >>Lemmy > >Hey...what's this ? Is these regular releases ? >I did actually see the march 13 gig...one of the best gigs I ever seen... >It was also there I meet Juba from darXtar...a couple of interesting days. > >BTW, I've just ordered Gong's 'Zero to infinity'...is it any good ? > >Kenneth > >------- >Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ >The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue Jan 9 18:13:21 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:13:21 -0700 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? In-Reply-To: <004d01c07a8a$1ca49ec0$5d1128d5@starfield> Message-ID: Sometimes it is GOOD to give in to temptation.... KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Captain Bl at ck Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:19 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Well its with a collection of unreleased Starfield stuff I have in the vaults here. If enough other people are putting their own versions out for public consumption, I might be tempted to include it. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > captain black > > is their anychance we can hear it??? > > :-) > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Captain Bl at ck > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 09 January 2001 19:05 > Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > >You should hear Starfield's version of Space is Deep. > > > >Captain Bl at ck > > > >> > >> Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > >> listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! The > tape > >> I received in the boc-l tape swap had a couple of really good ones, and > >the > >> tape I sent out for the swap also has one. The rub being that even MP3's > >> are 2-10MB (or more, if it's someone's 35-minute version of "You > Shouldn't > >> Do That"), so we'd need a lot of space. > >> > >> Just a thought ... > >> > >> -Doug > >> ceres at sirius.com > > From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Jan 9 18:33:50 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:33:50 -0500 Subject: HW: TotalRock Astoria Broadcast Announced Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS TotalRock will be broadcasting extracts from the Astoria gig at the end of January...++ :::: further details on Mission Control > Updates :::: more detail as it is released........... www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MESSAGE ENDS From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 9 19:04:04 2001 From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:04:04 -0800 Subject: HW: Collectors Vol 1and 2 AND Spacebrock Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jan 9 18:55:46 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:55:46 -0800 Subject: HW: offshoots top 10 and predecessors top 10 Message-ID: Offshoots (except Mot?rhead): 1) Robert Calvert - 'Captain Lockheed' [w/Lemmy, Turner, Dettmar & King] 2) Inner City Unit - 'Presidents Tape' [Turner/Reeves] 3) Deviants - 'Screwed Up' 7"EP [Rudolph/Powell] 4) Robert Calvert - 'Live at QE Hall' [and other live recordings w/Fred Reeves] 5) Woronzow All-Stars - 'Acid Jam #2' [Shaw/House] 6) Nik Turner - 'Xitintoday' 7) Imperial Pompadours - 'Ersatz' [Turner/Calvert] 8) Robert Calvert - 'Hype' [w/Turner & House] 9) Adrian Shaw - 'Headcleaner' 10) Nik Turner - 'Space Ritual 94' [w/Dettmar] Predecessors: 1) Amon Du?l II - 'Yeti' [Dave Anderson] 2) Pink Fairies - 'What A Bunch Of Sweeties' [Rudolph] 3) High Tide - 'High Tide' (second LP) [House] 4) Gong - 'You' [Blake] 5) Sam Gopal - 'Escalator' [Lemmy] 6) Magic Muscle - 'The Pipe, The Road, and the Grid' [Shaw] 7) Capt. Jesus and the Sunray Dream - 'The Day That Nebulon Exploded' [Tree] 8) Deviants - 'Deviants #3' [Rudolph] 9) Tim Blake - 'Crystal Machine' [Blake, obviously] 10) Skin Alley - 'Skin Alley' (first LP) [Crimble] hmmm ... my offshoots list isn't very original, but the predecessors list shouldn't be neglected either IMO ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 07:44:58 2001 From: paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:44:58 +0000 Subject: OT: Rush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Like he said!! Paul In message , Jon Jarrett writes >On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >> In a message dated 12/8/00 7:56:47 AM, paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK >> writes: >> >> << Not me! Technical skill is the ONLY thing in music that has anything >> even remotely to do with an objective point of view - everything else is >> opinion and therefore equally valid/invalid. >> == >> did i understand correctly? >> >> technical skill equals/defines objectivity? >> >> nah, i havent had enough coffee and i gotta go to work. > > I think what was being got at is that technical skill is one of >the few aspects of musical appreciation where there is actually a fixed >scale to argue on. Feeling, mood, tone, song structure, whether you *like* >it or not, all these things are subjective, but a certain amount of skill >can be assessed objectively. Well know of course that this is not the >whole story - witness Yngwie Malmsteen - but Paul's point was I think that >to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to do away with the >only fixed yardstick. > > And this is of course very well but it doesn't help us much does >it? Because Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) Yours, > >Jon > >-- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." -- Paul Mitchell From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 10 07:12:47 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:12:47 EDT Subject: OT: Yngwie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Feeling, mood, tone, song structure, whether you *like* > >it or not, all these things are subjective, but a certain amount of > skill >can be assessed objectively. Well know of course that this is > not the >whole story - witness Yngwie Malmsteen - but Paul's point was > I think that >to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to > do away with the >only fixed yardstick. > > And this is of > course very well but it doesn't help us much does >it? Because > Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) I wonder if people would hate Yngwie's music as much if he weren't such an asshole personally? theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jan 10 08:24:35 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:24:35 -0000 Subject: OT: Yngwie Message-ID: I imagine so. :-) Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Who is Dr Who? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:12 PM Subject: Re: OT: Yngwie > Feeling, mood, tone, song structure, whether you *like* > > >it or not, all these things are subjective, but a certain amount of > > skill >can be assessed objectively. Well know of course that this is > > not the >whole story - witness Yngwie Malmsteen - but Paul's point was > > I think that >to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to > > do away with the >only fixed yardstick. > > And this is of > > course very well but it doesn't help us much does >it? Because > > Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) > > I wonder if people would hate Yngwie's music as much if he weren't > such an asshole personally? > > theo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Jan 10 08:54:46 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:54:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood Message-ID: I owe you a CDR, email me your address and it will be in the mail ASAP. Sorry for delay :) Chr. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 10 09:06:05 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:06:05 +0800 Subject: OT: Yngwie Message-ID: > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObCD: Who is Dr Who? Great curio CD. William From paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 09:46:39 2001 From: paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:46:39 +0000 Subject: OT: Rush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention - rumour is that Rush is back in the studio - can ya say "Hallelujah"!! From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Jan 10 11:09:49 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:09:49 +0100 Subject: OT: Rush In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Forgot to mention - rumour is that Rush is back in the studio - can ya >say "Hallelujah"!! Hallelujah !!!! I knew this but I'm having no problem saying Hallelujah again. Hallelujah !!!! As some of You know I'm a big, big Rush-fan and I really liked Geddy's solo-album. I would say, though, that I think most people here would love Alex's solo-album Victor, even the Rush-haters. It's dark, evil and raw, totally over the top. One of the best album I've ever heard... ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Jan 10 11:19:51 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:19:51 -0500 Subject: OT: Rush Message-ID: Ken How did you like Alex's solo? Mike Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> Forgot to mention - rumour is that Rush is back in the studio - can ya >> say "Hallelujah"!! > > > Hallelujah !!!! > > I knew this but I'm having no problem saying Hallelujah again. > > Hallelujah !!!! > > As some of You know I'm a big, big Rush-fan and I really liked > Geddy's solo-album. I would say, though, that I think most people > here would love Alex's solo-album Victor, even the Rush-haters. It's > dark, evil and raw, totally over the top. One of the best album I've > ever heard... > > ------- > Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ > The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor > > -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jan 10 11:23:11 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:23:11 -0000 Subject: OT: Rush Message-ID: > I would say, though, that I think most people > here would love Alex's solo-album Victor, *Raises quizzical eyebrow* :-) R. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Jan 10 12:45:48 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:45:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: The latest tempest over Stonehenge Message-ID: The latest tempest over Stonehenge How much of Britain?s ancient circle is a 20th-century re-creation? LONDON, Jan. 9 ? Tourists flock from all over the world to gaze at Britain?s Stonehenge ? but the famed circle of huge stones is as much the work of 20th-century engineers as prehistoric humans. Researcher Brian Edwards has uncovered photographs showing fallen stones at the site in southern England being hauled into place using cranes and scaffolding during facelifts over the last 100 years. NOW THERE IS pressure for official guidebooks to be rewritten instead of presenting tourists with the idea that the stones have been standing untouched for thousands of years. ?For too long people have been kept in the dark over the Stonehenge restoration work,? Edwards, a postgraduate research student at the University of the West of England, was quoted as saying by British newspapers Tuesday. ?What we have been looking at is a 20th-century landscape which is reminiscent of what Stonehenge might have looked like thousands of years ago,? he said. ?It has been created by the heritage industry and is not the creation of prehistoric people.? English Heritage, which operates the tourist site, denied that there had been any coverup. ?What was carried out in the 20th century was structural stabilization work. To say that we are trying to cover this up in some way is just not true,? English Heritage spokeswoman Elspeth Henderson told the Independent. ?The Stonehenge visitors? guidebook is due to be updated, and we will be considering what happened during the 20th century, but no decision has been made.? http://www.msnbc.com/news/513457.asp?bt=nm&btu=http://www.msnbc.com/tools/newstools/d/news_menu.asp -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 10 13:13:37 2001 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (Mark Robertson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:13:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: The latest tempest over Stonehenge Message-ID: Just read about this too at http://www.newscientist.co.uk/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999310 same stuff just a bit more detail and Avebury too! Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Kusic" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: OFF: The latest tempest over Stonehenge > The latest tempest over Stonehenge > > How much of Britain's ancient circle is a 20th-century > re-creation? > > LONDON, Jan. 9 - Tourists flock from all over the > world to gaze at Britain's Stonehenge - but the > famed circle of huge stones is as much the work > of 20th-century engineers as prehistoric humans. > Researcher Brian Edwards has uncovered > photographs showing fallen stones at the site in > southern England being hauled into place using > cranes and scaffolding during facelifts over the > last 100 years. > > NOW THERE IS pressure for official guidebooks to > be rewritten instead of presenting tourists with the idea that > the stones have been standing untouched for thousands of > years. > "For too long people have been kept in the dark over > the Stonehenge restoration work," Edwards, a postgraduate > research student at the University of the West of England, > was quoted as saying by British newspapers Tuesday. > "What we have been looking at is a 20th-century > landscape which is reminiscent of what Stonehenge might > have looked like thousands of years ago," he said. "It has > been created by the heritage industry and is not the creation > of prehistoric people." > English Heritage, which operates the tourist site, denied > that there had been any coverup. > "What was carried out in the 20th century was > structural stabilization work. To say that we are trying to > cover this up in some way is just not true," English Heritage > spokeswoman Elspeth Henderson told the Independent. > "The Stonehenge visitors' guidebook is due to be > updated, and we will be considering what happened during > the 20th century, but no decision has been made." > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/513457.asp?bt=nm&btu=http://www.msnbc.com/tools/ne wstools/d/news_menu.asp > > -- > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Jan 10 13:23:15 2001 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: OT: Yngwie In-Reply-To: <200101101312.IAA29030@syr.edu>; from Ted Jackson jr. on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:12:47AM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 08:12:47AM -0400, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > I wonder if people would hate Yngwie's music as much if he weren't > such an asshole personally? Having just seen him perform, my answer is an unqualified yes. God, the way he played those squealing high-pitched too-many-notes solos for like, 45 minutes without a break just gave me a headache. I don't think his hand strayed more than an inch from the base of the guitar neck the whole time. I wanted to scream. Steve From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jan 10 14:03:22 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:03:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list Message-ID: probably would now if he could - right now however, he's the king of humour as far as national radio goes and ther's no-one to touch him and Lard - superb. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > i remeber when mark radcliffe used to have an evening show on radio 1 many > years ago he used to regular play hawkwind songs. > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 06 January 2001 18:26 > Subject: Re: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > > >There is one DJ on National Radio (who shall remain nameless 'coz I don't > >want to be sued mercilessly) who still really loves 'prog rock' but won't > >play any because of the supposed 'harm' it will do to his reputaion - > that's > >how dirty a word it is in the UK media right now. > >Also it's no secret that on daytime Radio One, Mark Radcliffe openly > >professes his love for seventies bands such as Hawkwind and Budgie, albeit > >in his own inimitable style, but of course hecan never play any on the > show, > >because of the dreaded Radio One Playlist, but at least we get the > >occasional glimpse, and some cracking 'records of the week'. > >Also, anyone notice how the UK mag, 'Classic Rock' started way back with > >loads of stuff on prog bands, glowing reviews of prog bands albums and has > >now developed into an 'old person's Kerrang' with prog getting hardly a > >look-in and most prog albums trashed to the hilt. Strange times we live > >in......what happened to culture? > >(please - no jokes about the reggae band, thanks!!!) > >Andy Garibaldi. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "K Henderson" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:29 AM > >Subject: OFF: Latest Top 100 list > > > > > >> Man, 'prog' (not that I'm its greatest defender in the purest sense) is > >> really a naughty word these days, moreso than I realized. These people > >must > >> be the same people who are voting for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Shame. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jan 10 14:04:45 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:04:45 -0000 Subject: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood Message-ID: Andy G, Dead Earnest, PO Box 6921, Dundee, Tayside, Scotland, DD4 8YN Looking forward to it - let me know when it's in the post, OK. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "christmu at eunet.no" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood > I owe you a CDR, email me your address and it will be in the mail ASAP. > Sorry for delay :) > Chr. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 10 14:58:26 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:58:26 -0000 Subject: HW tab Message-ID: Just found this tab for Jack of Shadows on the Web: http://www.tabcrawler.com/ftp/tabs.cgi?browse&h/hawkwind --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 10 15:39:31 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:39:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: Hey folks.... I picked up the Hawkwind Remix Project from AndyG, but the sleeve details appear to be nonexistent. Who are the artists on these tracks? Their version of Sonic Attack is fantastic. (I quite like the female dry vocal recitation. For no particular reason I am finding it rather reminiscent of the book in the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy radio show.....) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 10 15:47:28 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:47:28 -0000 Subject: Test Message-ID: --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 10 15:38:42 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:38:42 +0000 Subject: OT: Rush Message-ID: At 21.49 +0000 9.1.2001, Jon Jarrett wrote: >but Paul's point was I think that >to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to do away with the >only fixed yardstick. > And this is of course very well but it doesn't help us much does >it? Because Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) That's because it's a fairly useless yardstick :) So, well, I recommend doing away with it. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 16:19:37 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:19:37 +0000 Subject: HW tab In-Reply-To: <000701c07b3f$b26cba40$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <000701c07b3f$b26cba40$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry writes >Just found this tab for Jack of Shadows on the Web: >http://www.tabcrawler.com/ftp/tabs.cgi?browse&h/hawkwind What a great site. Hours of fun! I reckon they should have called it Tabhunter.com, myself .... -- Jon From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Wed Jan 10 16:24:14 2001 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:24:14 -0800 Subject: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood Message-ID: One of us is confused, and I'm not entirely sure it's not me. MWood NP: Eloy - _Floating_ >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:04:45 -0000 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Subject: Re: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Andy G, Dead Earnest, PO Box 6921, Dundee, Tayside, Scotland, DD4 8YN >Looking forward to it - let me know when it's in the post, OK. >Andy G. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "christmu at eunet.no" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:54 PM >Subject: OFF: Att: for Marshall Wood > > >> I owe you a CDR, email me your address and it will be in the mail ASAP. >> Sorry for delay :) >> Chr. ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jan 10 17:25:12 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:25:12 -0000 Subject: BOC: Phone fun Message-ID: Well, I've just managed to program my new Motorola to play the opening bars of "Astronomy" as a dial tone. Should be easy to tell when it's my phone going off now! ;) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jan 10 17:25:36 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:25:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Phone fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:25 PM 1/10/01 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Well, I've just managed to program my new Motorola to play the opening bars >of "Astronomy" as a dial tone. Should be easy to tell when it's my phone >going off now! ;) I have one of those... can you give me the notes (with rests and stuff)? I have a horrible ear for tones, but I would appreciate it if I could get that... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jan 10 17:44:25 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:44:25 -0000 Subject: BOC: Phone fun In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010110172536.00b6d100@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: I'm no musician myself, but this is what I programmed in, and it's recognisable if tinny. I think there might be a bum note but I can't pin it down, and the final "E" should be a chord, but of course it doesn't do chords... anyway, with those caveats: 1 E2 A+1 G2 F#1 E2 D2 F#1 A+2 C+#2 D+2 A+2 G1 E2 D1 C#1 A1 F-#2 D-1 E-2 A1 G-2 E-8 Real musicians will figure out how this works, and may even be able to correct it if necessary! -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andrew Apold > Sent: 10 January 2001 22:26 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Phone fun > > > At 10:25 PM 1/10/01 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: > >Well, I've just managed to program my new Motorola to play the > opening bars > >of "Astronomy" as a dial tone. Should be easy to tell when it's my phone > >going off now! ;) > > I have one of those... can you give me the notes (with rests and > stuff)? I > have a horrible ear for tones, but I would appreciate it if I could get > that... > > > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold > From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 10 17:55:35 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:55:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Phone fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22.44 +0000 10.1.2001, Andy Gilham wrote: >I'm no musician myself, but this is what I programmed in, and it's >recognisable if tinny. I think there might be a bum note but I can't pin it >down, and the final "E" should be a chord, but of course it doesn't do >chords... anyway, with those caveats: >1 E2 A+1 G2 F#1 E2 D2 F#1 A+2 C+#2 D+2 A+2 G1 E2 D1 C#1 A1 F-#2 D-1 E-2 A1 >G-2 E-8 >Real musicians will figure out how this works, and may even be able to >correct it if necessary! I have sheet music for this somewhere in the States, but alas that puts it out of reach! And I can play it on guitar, but I have no idea what the notes are :) I suppose I could work it out, but I expect someone on the list _must_ have this info lying around, surely? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Jan 10 18:03:25 2001 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:03:25 -0000 Subject: BOC: Phone fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, what I did was I found a guitar tab on the net, and then found an idiot's guide to converting a guitar tab into a musical score, and then spent about half an hour tapping it in... So there's plenty of scope for error there! But like I say, it's recognisable. I'll play it to you on Saturday (I'll get Rob to ring me!) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 10 18:06:08 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:06:08 -0600 Subject: HW: lyric book Message-ID: Hey folks, Has the 'net lyric book been updated recently? (if it has, could someone post a URL where I could find it at? The version I've got I downloaded in '98 and it wasn't recent then....) I'm hunting for the lyrics for love in space. Anyone have them lying about? Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Jan 10 18:17:23 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:17:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Rush Message-ID: Well I'm a big Rush fan too (although the last three or so studio albums have been incredibly weak), but I'd have to say that Alex's solo album was awful. One of the worst things I've bought... so bad in fact, that I had to sell it! I disliked "Test for Echo" and "Counterparts" almost but not quite as much... I've been hoping that Rush can manage to get themselves back on track and stop sounding so generic, but I must admit that although I'll buy the new record, I don't have much in the way of expectations for it. John Majka > > As some of You know I'm a big, big Rush-fan and I really liked > Geddy's solo-album. I would say, though, that I think most people > here would love Alex's solo-album Victor, even the Rush-haters. It's > dark, evil and raw, totally over the top. One of the best album I've > ever heard... From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Jan 10 18:20:18 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:20:18 -0500 Subject: HW tab Message-ID: I don't understand why people even bother posting such vague tablatures... I mean the whole sus4 to major 3rd motif doesn't appear at all... True, it outlines the root notes I suppose. One of these days I'll get ambitious and post some of my own. Jack of Shadows is one I've actually figured out in the past, so I know how simplified the tab here posted really is. John Majka > Just found this tab for Jack of Shadows on the Web: > http://www.tabcrawler.com/ftp/tabs.cgi?browse&h/hawkwind > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 10 18:27:06 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:27:06 -0000 Subject: HW tab Message-ID: There's a lot of Dave's riffing with 6th's (I think) missed out. The timing's out too (ie. chord changes vs words). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: Re: HW tab > I don't understand why people even bother posting such vague tablatures... I > mean the whole sus4 to major 3rd motif doesn't appear at all... True, it > outlines the root notes I suppose. One of these days I'll get ambitious and > post some of my own. Jack of Shadows is one I've actually figured out in > the past, so I know how simplified the tab here posted really is. > John Majka > > Just found this tab for Jack of Shadows on the Web: > > http://www.tabcrawler.com/ftp/tabs.cgi?browse&h/hawkwind > > > > --- > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > > duties." From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Wed Jan 10 18:22:52 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:22:52 -0500 Subject: Technical Skill etc. Message-ID: yeah I'd have to say that technical skill has very very little to do with musical quality. Thus we have examples like Yngwie, a technical master who totally sucks, and a band like Guided By Voices (relatively unskilled during "Alien Lanes" era) who are totally fucking ingenious. It's not about the skills... it's what you do with them... John Majka > At 21.49 +0000 9.1.2001, Jon Jarrett wrote: > >but Paul's point was I think that > >to dismiss technical skill in a musical appraisal is to do away with the > >only fixed yardstick. > > And this is of course very well but it doesn't help us much does > >it? Because Malmsteen's still awful and Steven Wilson isn't :-) > > That's because it's a fairly useless yardstick :) So, well, I > recommend doing away with it. > > Cheers, > Carl > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:scylding at carlaz.com > http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Jan 10 18:42:09 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:42:09 -0500 Subject: HW: MC Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS A brief reminder that Mission Control has most of the HAWKWIND Lyrics (access via Catalogue) and Crew Profiles (access via Gallery > Personnel Files) ++MESSAGE ENDS From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 7 07:13:42 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:13:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd Langton (diamond geezer) Message-ID: As others have said the eighties were are strange period for a lot of bands; for me Huw's contribution just about made the crap drums and poor production of the RCA albums bearable. If at times his guitarwork dominated it was probably due to Dave's guitar getting even more restrained -Angels of Death a notable exception. As for singing voice; well it's a matter of taste - there are no Sinatras or Pavarottis in Hawkwind - sometimes it worked, sometimes less so. As for guitar craft he is without queation superb, my only complaint here is that sometimes it sounds a bit trebly and he tends to stay in the higher octaves. As for personality - again like others have said - great guy. I met him a good number of times in the eighties: at Hawkwind gigs (backstage in Glasgow 84 being particularly memorable), at LLG gigs, and at Hawkon - where we chatted for most of the afternoon. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Jan 10 18:49:47 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:49:47 EST Subject: Technical Skill etc. Message-ID: I'll just pop my 2 cents into this to 2nd the GBV motion for totally incredible. this Lp is a masterpiece. songsculpturing at its best. (George W. Bush said that) bob In a message dated 1/10/01 3:22:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, jmajka2 at HOME.COM writes: > yeah I'd have to say that technical skill has very very little to do with > musical quality. Thus we have examples like Yngwie, a technical master who > totally sucks, and a band like Guided By Voices (relatively unskilled during > "Alien Lanes" era) who are totally fucking ingenious. It's not about the > skills... it's what you do with them... > John Majka Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Jan 10 18:56:34 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:56:34 EST Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd Langton (diamond geezer) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/10/01 6:48:50 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << As for personality - again like others have said - great guy. I met him a good number of times in the eighties: at Hawkwind gigs (backstage in Glasgow 84 being particularly memorable), at LLG gigs, and at Hawkon - where we chatted for most of the afternoon. >> === a small anecdote: 8/77...saw a widowmaker soundcheck at the whiskey a-go-go; didnt talk to him but talked to the singer. they were all pleasant enough folx. i went outside for a smoke and some kid asked me if i was in the band.... but no, my friend and i couldnt see the show, 'cause we were in my uncle's car and he forbade us to go to the sunset strip after dark. still have the press kit if anyone wants to buy it.... "<>" From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 10 19:07:57 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:07:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge (conspiracy bollocks) Message-ID: The recent history of Stonehenge is very well documented, unlike other megaliths in Ireland and Spain it has not been "restored". Unfortunately megalithic sites attract stacks of new-age bollocks, maybe these people should stop looking for aliens on the stones and instead look for a ley-line on the M25 (ouch - cosmic!). Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Jan 10 19:01:49 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:01:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria party pics Message-ID: Hi folks, I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). Now for something completely different: Do you think I'll come into trouble if I include some kind of archive of all the various tabs, chords etc. that various listmembers contributed in the past (and hopefully will in the future)? I think it would be great if such a thing existed (searching through the BOC-L archives can get very tiresome). (c)IAO D+R np: live tape from the HW Astoria gig -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Jan 10 18:48:31 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:48:31 +0100 Subject: HW: lyric book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arin, >I'm hunting for the lyrics for love in space. Anyone >have them lying about? No problem: |Love in space I dream of you |Love in space I scream to you |Love in space I cry for you |Love in space I fly to you | |Drifting in our capsules of icy mist |The ship of dreams sails on | |Love in space I dream of you |Love in space I plead for you |Love in space I sigh for you |Love in space I die for you source: Love In Space booklet (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Jan 10 19:52:24 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:52:24 EST Subject: HW: Astoria party pics Message-ID: In a message dated 1/10/01 4:30:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE writes: > Hi folks, > > I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show > party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage > (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). can't seem to get that url to work bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Jan 10 19:53:56 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:53:56 -0800 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:14:13 -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: >I have my own Web server - just how much space would you like :-) The version of "Psi Power" (by one of my former bands) that I just encoded runs a little over 6MB. Would that fit? And still leave room for the Starfield version of "Space Is Deep" ... hint, hint ;^)? Nice version of "Hurry On Sundown" ... sounds almost exactly like I'd imagine the early-90s (trio) Hawkwind lineup doing it. Very Brock-ish fuzz guitar sound, but I'll admit to being prejudiced against the use of a drum machine (I'd rather hear mediocre-to-bad human drumming than a precisely mechanical drum machine, but that's just me). Quite clean-sounding - was it mostly/entirely recorded direct-to-computer or digital recorder? -Doug ceres at sirius.com >Kevin Perry >Sonic Energy Authority >http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Doug Pearson >To: >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:34 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Jan 10 20:00:16 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:00:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria party pics In-Reply-To: <6d.dea0d02.278e5dc8@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, > > I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show > > party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage > > (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). > >can't seem to get that url to work >bob D'oh! Let's have another try: First go to http://www.d-rider.de Then click "Misc" in the menu on the bottom-left side, then "What's New" on the top. Some Mailprogram put the URL and the "clicking instructions" together into a non-working URL. (c)IAO D+R From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Wed Jan 10 22:05:58 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Astoria party pics Message-ID: Works off and on. Just try it a bunch of times. That's what I did. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lennon" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria party pics > In a message dated 1/10/01 4:30:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE writes: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show > > party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage > > (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). > > can't seem to get that url to work > bob > > > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html > From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Jan 10 22:07:15 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:07:15 -0500 Subject: Astoria party pics In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010111005341.029e5390@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: Fantastic pics and thanks for putting some faces with some names of some of the listers. very cool wish I had been there Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Denis Regenbrecht > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:02 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Astoria party pics > > > Hi folks, > > I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show > party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage > (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). > > Now for something completely different: > Do you think I'll come into trouble if I include some kind of archive of > all the various tabs, chords etc. that various listmembers contributed in > the past (and hopefully will in the future)? I think it would be great if > such a thing existed (searching through the BOC-L archives can get very > tiresome). > > (c)IAO > > D+R > > np: live tape from the HW Astoria gig > > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Thu Jan 11 01:32:20 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:32:20 -0600 Subject: Astoria party pics Message-ID: Awesome page! I have not been surfing my HW links enough, because this is unbelievably remarkable! A masterpiece! Keep up the good work! Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: HW: Astoria party pics >Hi folks, > >I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show >party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage >(http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). > >Now for something completely different: >Do you think I'll come into trouble if I include some kind of archive of >all the various tabs, chords etc. that various listmembers contributed in >the past (and hopefully will in the future)? I think it would be great if >such a thing existed (searching through the BOC-L archives can get very >tiresome). > >(c)IAO > > D+R > >np: live tape from the HW Astoria gig > > >-- >"Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > >www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jan 11 01:43:50 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:43:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: All done digitally. Give me adrum machine (or Richard Chadwick :-)) over most drummers any day - in ~12 years of playing in bands, I've only once worked with a drummer who could keep time...but don't get me started. I've got something like 1.5GB of disk space spare... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:14:13 -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: > >I have my own Web server - just how much space would you like :-) > > The version of "Psi Power" (by one of my former bands) that I just encoded > runs a little over 6MB. Would that fit? And still leave room for the > Starfield version of "Space Is Deep" ... hint, hint ;^)? > > Nice version of "Hurry On Sundown" ... sounds almost exactly like I'd > imagine the early-90s (trio) Hawkwind lineup doing it. Very Brock-ish fuzz > guitar sound, but I'll admit to being prejudiced against the use of a drum > machine (I'd rather hear mediocre-to-bad human drumming than a precisely > mechanical drum machine, but that's just me). Quite clean-sounding - was > it mostly/entirely recorded direct-to-computer or digital recorder? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > >Kevin Perry > >Sonic Energy Authority > >http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Doug Pearson > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 9:34 PM > >Subject: Re: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? > > > > Hmmmm ... here's an idea for a project: we need a server where we > > listmembers can put up all our cover versions of Hawkwind songs! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 01:43:06 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:43:06 EST Subject: HW: Does anyone have tab or score for Hurry On Sundown? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 1:38:56 AM, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: << but don't get me started. >> === you got it, machine man dont [expletive] start. 'kay? "<>" From snurmela at UTU.FI Thu Jan 11 02:13:18 2001 From: snurmela at UTU.FI (Sami Nurmela) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:13:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Astoria party pics Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > Hi folks, > > I scanned and uploaded some of the pics I've took during the after show > party and the hotel party. You can find them on my homepage > (http://www.d-rider.de then ->Misc->What's New). Really great, thanks for the pics! When all the hotel reservation stuff was going on this list, I was playing with the thought of flying to London just to see Hawkwind (for first time!) and meet all these BOC-L'ers at the same time, and now I reallyreallyreally regret I didn't... Having just re-joined the list after a few years break I had no idea there were so many members with the band at this time - Blake, Lloyd-Langton and Bainbridge were a complete surprise for me... Pardon my ignorance, but was this a special gig, or do they regularly tour with this big line-up? -- sami nurmela - sami.nurmela at utu.fi Finland From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 04:38:32 2001 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:38:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: Arin asked: >I picked up the Hawkwind Remix Project from AndyG, but >the sleeve details appear to be nonexistent. > >Who are the artists on these tracks? Well, as the (abandoned?) Bass Ritual CD was to have had the same songs, I'm assuming that they are actually one & the same. In which case, the artists in question (courtesy CDS catalogue) are as follows: Golden Void - Future Loop Foundation Sonic Attack - John Avery Brainstorm - DJ Speedranch Earth Ritual - Hawkwind (poss. just Dave?) Levitation - Scalper MIB Silver Kachina - Richard Chadwick Master Of The Universe - Colin Newman (formerly of Wire) >Their version of Sonic Attack is fantastic. Agreed. I also rate this version of Levitation very highly. Golden Void & Earth Calling ain't half bad either. In fact, the only one I'm not so keen on is Brainstorm. A higher hit-rate than Future Reconstructions, IMO. Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 05:49:31 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:49:31 GMT Subject: HW: MC In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > ++STAR WARRIORS > > A brief reminder that Mission Control has > most of the HAWKWIND Lyrics (access via Catalogue) > and Crew Profiles (access via Gallery > Personnel Files) > > ++MESSAGE ENDS Any chance of getting Dave to include the lyrics for "Raping Robots in the Street"? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 05:50:52 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:50:52 GMT Subject: Technical Skill etc. In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:49:47 EST Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > I'll just pop my 2 cents into this to 2nd the GBV motion for totally > incredible. this Lp is a masterpiece. songsculpturing at its best. (George W. > Bush said that) And Al Gore demanded the tabs. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 05:55:08 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:55:08 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project In-Reply-To: David Bottomley's message of Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:38:32 -0000 Message-ID: So what is this item exactly? Tape? CDR? FoFP > >I picked up the Hawkwind Remix Project from AndyG, but > >the sleeve details appear to be nonexistent. > > > >Who are the artists on these tracks? > > > Well, as the (abandoned?) Bass Ritual CD was to have had the same songs, I'm > assuming that they are actually one & the same. In which case, the artists > in question (courtesy CDS catalogue) are as follows: > > Golden Void - Future Loop Foundation > Sonic Attack - John Avery > Brainstorm - DJ Speedranch > Earth Ritual - Hawkwind (poss. just Dave?) > Levitation - Scalper MIB > Silver Kachina - Richard Chadwick > Master Of The Universe - Colin Newman (formerly of Wire) > > >Their version of Sonic Attack is fantastic. > > > Agreed. I also rate this version of Levitation very highly. Golden Void & > Earth Calling ain't half bad either. In fact, the only one I'm not so keen > on is Brainstorm. A higher hit-rate than Future Reconstructions, IMO. > > Dave > From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 06:20:48 2001 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:20:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: >So what is this item exactly? Tape? CDR? > >FoFP It's a CD (not CD-R) with (as Arin said) no details other than track listing on the reverse of the silvery, single-sided insert (double-headed hawk logo on the front) & a thanks to one Trevor Long. And it has a catalogue number (WARLORD777CD). Andy G has this item (well, one with the same track listing and his descriptions match the music on my CD, so it must be the same item) as "Bass Ritual - The Remixes" in the most recent CDS psychedelic/space rock supplement (7). Whether it's the same cover or not, I don't know. I picked my copy up from the Voiceprint stall at Brixton. I assumed that they (Voiceprint? Hawkwind?) had planned to give it a full release under the Bass Ritual name, but for whatever reason changed their mind and gave us this (limited?) version in place. Just guesswork. Andy G? Any idea what the story is? BTW, it's well worth getting hold of. Better (or at least less variable) than Future Reconstructions. Dave From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jan 11 06:35:42 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:05:42 +1030 Subject: HW Message-ID: I love all my Hawkwind CD's records videos Hawkwind Rocks!!!! - I wouldn't have travelled to London From Australia to see them live otherwise Thats all I have to say about that...... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jan 11 07:18:20 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:18:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus Erectus Question Message-ID: I have (I believe) the re-released copy of Cultosaurus Erectus sitting on my stereo, still in its shrinkwrap - fresh from CDNow. Is there anyway of telling if this is indeed the 'new' remastered version of the CD? (That is, before I open it and thus cannot return it) It looks identical to the old one with the exception of the "Made in Holland" sticker on it. Thanks From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 11 06:35:33 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:35:33 EDT Subject: OT: Rush In-Reply-To: <001d01c07b5b$7d7601e0$e7d1b718@cc177845c> Message-ID: On 10 Jan 01, at 18:17, John Majka wrote: > Well I'm a big Rush fan too (although the last three or so studio > albums have been incredibly weak), but I'd have to say that Alex's > solo album was awful. One of the worst things I've bought... so bad > in fact, that I had to sell it! I disliked "Test for Echo" and > "Counterparts" almost but not quite as much... I've been hoping that > Rush can manage to get themselves back on track and stop sounding so > generic, but I must admit that although I'll buy the new record, I > don't have much in the way of expectations for it. > I did NOT pay him to say this! theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jan 11 07:46:09 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:46:09 -0500 Subject: OT: Darkest of the Hillside Thickets Message-ID: I was checking out MP3.com a few months back looking for unusual bands. So, I searched for 'Cthulhu' references and I found the band "Darkest of the Hillside Thickets." There were a few downloadable songs - Sixgun Gorgon Dynamo, Hookworm, and 20 Minutes of Oxygen. All in all a very bizarre band, but a fun listen. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 11:32:52 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:32:52 GMT Subject: Croydon date - need to know URGENTLY... Message-ID: Looks like I'll be in Houston towards the end of March and I gotta book plane tickets tomorrow. If I can get the Hawkwind date nailed down, I should be able to interrupt the trip in London before flying back to Scotland and thus get to the Croydon gig. Does anyone know the date and status of the gig (I.E how certain it is at this point?) Ta. FoFP From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 11:39:48 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:39:48 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 1/6/01 Message-ID: 1/6/01 1.Schema--Unde (ST'd) 2.Circle--Kartano (Pori) 3.Melting Euphoria--Dandelion Mist (Inside the Gardens of the Mind) 4.Amon Duul II--Jailhouse Frog (Wolf City) 5.Nik Turner--Andromeda/Space Station Announcement (Prophets of Time) 6.Man--Sudden Life (Revelation; The Early Tears) 7.Dreampipe--The Graverobber (Nursery Fruit History) 8.Silver Apples--Water (Contact; Silver Apples MCA comp) 9.Late--Glass Tuning (Serotonin Ronin II comp) 10.Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus--River Godot (ST'd) 11.Neutral Milk Hotel--Two-Headed Boy/The Fool/Holland 1945/Communist Daughter (In the Aeroplane Over the Sea) 12.Avey Tare and Panda Bear--Bat You'll Fly (Spirit They're Gone Spirit They've Vanished) 13.Pink Floyd--The Scarecrow (Piper at the Gates of Dawn) 14.Anubian Lights--The Fire Breathes (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 15.Pipe Dream--Passing Trains (The Journey from Iceland to Hamburg) 16.Neu!--Seeland (Neu! '75) 17.Anubian Lights--12-24-2011 (Jackal & 9 EP; Space Box comp) 18.Mushroom--Elliott Smith (Hydrogen Jukebox) 19.Hawkwind--Why Do it? (Masters of Text ) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck From richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 11:43:54 2001 From: richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK (Richard Cutting/JHC) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:43:54 +0000 Subject: Croydon date - need to know URGENTLY... Message-ID: I got some reissued tickets from the Fairfield Halls the other day for 25th March. M Holmes cc: Sent by: Subject: Croydon date - need to know URGENTLY... BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List 11/01/01 16:32 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Looks like I'll be in Houston towards the end of March and I gotta book plane tickets tomorrow. If I can get the Hawkwind date nailed down, I should be able to interrupt the trip in London before flying back to Scotland and thus get to the Croydon gig. Does anyone know the date and status of the gig (I.E how certain it is at this point?) Ta. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 11:53:06 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:53:06 +0000 Subject: Croydon date - need to know URGENTLY... Message-ID: Richard Cutting/JHC wrote: > I got some reissued tickets from the Fairfield Halls the other day for 25th > March. My ticket also got reissued for 25th March so I guess I'll see you there. Keef From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 11 12:00:04 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:00:04 GMT Subject: Croydon date - need to know URGENTLY... In-Reply-To: Richard Cutting/JHC's message of Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: Richard Cutting/JHC writes: >> Looks like I'll be in Houston towards the end of March and I gotta book >> plane tickets tomorrow. If I can get the Hawkwind date nailed down, I >> should be able to interrupt the trip in London before flying back to >> Scotland and thus get to the Croydon gig. >> FoFP > I got some reissued tickets from the Fairfield Halls the other day for 25th > March. Are there any BOC-Lers around Houston? Where's Mike Coleman based? FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jan 11 14:48:26 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:48:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule in 1973 From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Thu Jan 11 15:08:42 2001 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:08:42 -0000 Subject: Astoria Message-ID: [Message 046656 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 11 14:05:08 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:05:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Russell wrote: > Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule in > 1973 A date that will live in infamy! I'm an American League fan, but the DH has to go. If an aging star or mediocre ballplayer can't handle it in the field, let them pinch hit. obBOC> Has anyone heard the band play any more new tunes from the upcoming album? Would anyone with a boot of Pocket or Now is the Time (TOGR) be willing to post the lyrics? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 11 14:18:56 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:18:56 EDT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Jan 01, at 14:48, Hall, Russell J wrote: > Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule > in 1973 celebrate what, the demise of baseball? hey, when's the anniversary of the first astroturf game? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 11 14:22:41 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:22:41 EDT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Jan 01, at 15:05, Brian Halligan wrote: > Russell wrote: > > Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter > > rule in 1973 > > A date that will live in infamy! I'm an American League fan, but the > DH has to go. If an aging star or mediocre ballplayer can't handle it > in the field, let them pinch hit. > Same here. The DH has skewed the statistics, and has put a few guys in the HoF that probably don't belong. Imagine how many homeruns the Babe would've hit if he didn't play the field--or Say Hey too for that matter. And Hank got quite a few as DH for the Brewers. Kind of taints the whole thing. But I'd gladly keep the DH if they'd once-and-for all outlaw astroturf! > obBOC> Has anyone heard the band play any more new tunes from the > upcoming album? Would anyone with a boot of Pocket or Now is the Time > (TOGR) be willing to post the lyrics? I'd like to hear/see them too. BOC isn't touring much now, as they're working on the album. Projected release for early summer '01... theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jan 11 15:39:47 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:39:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: Opening day, year 2 of the Houston Astros? Free Agency is the demise of baseball in my book. That and the day they outlawed pepper. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:19 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate > > On 11 Jan 01, at 14:48, Hall, Russell J wrote: > > > Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule > > in 1973 > > celebrate what, the demise of baseball? hey, when's the anniversary > of the first astroturf game? > > theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 11 14:53:34 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:53:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: No Pepper (was: Looks like a good reason to celebrate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Russell wrote: > Opening day, year 2 of the Houston Astros? > > Free Agency is the demise of baseball in my book. That and the day they > outlawed pepper. :-) The "No Pepper Allowed" signs are probably the most mysterious aspect of baseball for someone going to the ballpark for the first time. Especially since you *can* put "mustard" on the ball. Brian From chip at PCC.COM Thu Jan 11 15:56:39 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:56:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: from "Hall, Russell J" at Jan 11, 2001 03:39:47 PM Message-ID: Hall, Russell J spoke: > Free Agency is the demise of baseball in my book. That and the day they > outlawed pepper. We're WAY off topic with this, but what, possibly, is your reason for saying so? Don't tell me that players move around more these days - they don't move around that much more. TEAMS, in fact, move LESS. Don't tell me that the players are greedy - not only are the owners far, far greedier, but they have been caught breaking the law or their contracts in every instance its been examined. Don't tell me that what's "happening" to baseball hasn't been a compliant *since the 1800s*. The same complaints are heard year after year...yet baseball continues to be a GROWING multi-billion dollar business. I've done a lot of research on this subject, so be prepared to back up what you say. If you want to do some homework on your own, check out Andrew Zimbalist's "Billions and Baseball" (one of many such books). *ANY* economist that has ever studied this issue concludes that the ownership of baseball is the problem and always has been. Enjoy :-) -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From chip at PCC.COM Thu Jan 11 15:59:27 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:59:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <200101112023.PAA11297@syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr." at Jan 11, 2001 03:22:41 PM Message-ID: I can't believe we're discussing baseball. Ted Jackson jr. spoke: > Same here. The DH has skewed the statistics, and has put a few > guys in the HoF that probably don't belong. Oh, please. The DH has been responsible for, perhaps 2-3 "extra" Hall of Famers - AT MOST - while the Veteran's Committee has added a FEW DOZEN players who wouldn't even make a team today (adjusted for era). Get your priorities straight. > Imagine how many > homeruns the Babe would've hit if he didn't play the field? Just as many, probably. There isn't any indication that shows that guys who don't play the field hit better. In fact, if anything, there's a negative correlation. I'd pay good money to hear a BOC rendition of Star Spangled Banner. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:00:52 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:00:52 -0500 Subject: OT: Yngwie Message-ID: Hey Now, Just thought I'd add my $.02. I actually liked Yngwie when he first came out. His first record w/ Barriemore Barlow on drums is quite good. I saw him just after it was released at St. Andrews Hall in Detroit, which was the same place that I got to see the Stranglers in April '87. It was pretty darn good. His second album, Marching Out is really good too. In fact, in 1985 when I purchased my first CD player, it along w/ the Talking Heads - Remain In Light and the Pretenders S/T first album were 3 of the first CD's that I ever bought. Track 4 of Marching Out - Disciples Of Hell got blasted quite alot on the stereo at college. Unfortunately, most of the equipment at the party house had been stolen by my music major friend John from the University (he had keys) and that along w/ his drug dealing sent him to jail, just after that Stranglers show. But I digress.... Yngwie's next release - Trilogy was lame and had some hairspray dude on vocals. Saw him on that tour too. He bounced back in the late '80s w/ Odyssey or something like that. It had Joe Lynn Turner on vocals. It's no longer in my collection, but when it came out it got played alot. Saw him on that tour as well at the Music Hall in Cleveland, with Lita Ford opening. Oh baby, she rocked! Yngwie, on the other hand was his usual egocentric jerk of all jerk's self. He slammed a really nice acoustic guitar on the stage during a melodic ballad like some child and totally ruined the song. Maybe he broke a nail ") That was the last time that I paid any money for anything related to Yngwie. And yes, I admit for several years, I did like his music and I still break out the first 2 records on occasion. I really don't care what you say, they are excellent records! As a side note, Yngwie was in my town a couple years back and my friend John (different guy w/ the same common name), the eternal signature seeker told me all about what an asshole Yngwie was about signatures. I just had to laugh! Especially, when I heard that a couple days later that Yngwie was caught giving some young man oral sex in South Florida. Even funnier!! Peace, Darrin np: Darxtar - Daybreak _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:25:56 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:25:56 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 3:19:49 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << celebrate what, the demise of baseball? hey, when's the anniversary of the first astroturf game? >> ==== in terms of regular season, the first houston astros home game in '65. up to that point they had been the 'colt .45s' but, um, there had been a special exhibition game before that; alas, that was too many brain cells ago... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:29:57 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:29:57 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 3:39:09 PM, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: << Opening day, year 2 of the Houston Astros? Free Agency is the demise of baseball in my book. That and the day they outlawed pepper. >> ==== the 'colt .45s were around 62 to 64 prior to becoming astroturfish.... == oh man, the money is way out of control now! and will another strike follow next year? == another vote against the dh here... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:32:43 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:32:43 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 3:59:56 PM, chip at PCC.COM writes: << while the Veteran's Committee has added a FEW DOZEN players who wouldn't even make a team today (adjusted for era). Get your priorities straight. === name some of these players, plz. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:35:55 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:35:55 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 3:59:56 PM, chip at PCC.COM writes: << There isn't any indication that shows that guys who don't play the field hit better. In fact, if anything, there's a negative correlation. >> ===== excuse me? are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? hank aaron tommy harper tommy davis harmon killebrew orlando cepeda willie horton harold baines to name a few "<>" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jan 11 16:45:55 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:45:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <17.101b36bc.278f7ee4@aol.com>; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:25:56PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:25:56PM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > [first Astroturf game] > in terms of regular season, the first houston astros home game in '65. > up to that point they had been the 'colt .45s' Ok, so which "astro" got named first: the team, the dome, or the turf? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jan 11 16:39:44 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:39:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <200101112019.PAA10610@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 03:18 PM 1/11/01 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >On 11 Jan 01, at 14:48, Hall, Russell J wrote: > >> Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule >> in 1973 > >celebrate what, the demise of baseball? The demise of baseball occurred in the offseason after 1991. The Twins were the last small market, small money team to win a series without megabucks, on the strength of their farm system and a bit of luck. After that seris, hometime hero Jack Morris went to the Blue Jays for a big money deal, they bought a world series, and every team since that has won it has been one of the elite teams that spends a ton of cash. It has been over a half dozen years since I knew my team even had a chance to compete for a series. From day 1. And nothing short of a lockout could change that. Every year one smaller cash team makes some noises (A's, Reds, etc) but they never stand a chance. I'll be shocked if its anyone other than a handful of teams (Yankees, Mets, Braves, etc) next year and probably the next... I haven't watched a game since '97. There ought to be some decent football this weekend, though... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jan 11 16:47:01 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:47:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <28.faef3be.278f813b@aol.com> Message-ID: At 04:35 PM 1/11/01 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 1/11/01 3:59:56 PM, chip at PCC.COM writes: > ><< There isn't any indication that shows > that guys who don't play the field hit better. In fact, if > anything, there's a negative correlation. > >> >===== >excuse me? >are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? yes, but it also means facing better pitching (all other things being equal) across one's career, as the pitchers do not have to wast time and concentration on batting, and are less likely to be pulled for a pinch hit. Heh, it also means facing pitchers who do not have to fear retaliation when they want to bean *coughclemenscough* someone. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 11 16:58:53 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:58:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 Message-ID: Greeting Hawkfans! I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened to for a while.... Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg This is a nice crisp SBD recording w/ Bridgett. Way better sound quality than ANY of the live Voiceprint recordings..... I was looking for this for a long time and found it in a store in St. Pete for $2.99. Yep! The only problem is there are no graffix. I have 2 requests: 1) Could someone tell me what show this is from? 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? Thanx! Darrin PS For you BOC fans: Cities On Flame was playing on "That '70's Show" the other night ") PSS Has Mike Coleman fallen of the Edge again? Please tell him to get in touch w/ me if he surfaces. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jan 11 17:12:45 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:12:45 -0000 Subject: OT: Yngwie Message-ID: I didn't know he was gay... > Hey Now, > > Just thought I'd add my $.02. > > I actually liked Yngwie when he first came out.. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 17:18:26 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:18:26 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 4:46:23 PM, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: << the dome, >> === must've been the dome; unless you wanna count the jetson's dog. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 17:21:25 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:21:25 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 4:51:52 PM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << Heh, it also means facing pitchers who do not have to fear retaliation when they want to bean *coughclemenscough* someone. >> ============ DARNED GOOD POINT! M'sieu piazza notwitstanding, american league pitchers can bean w/impunity! "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jan 11 17:44:57 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:44:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: => I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened to => for a while.... => => Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg => The only problem is there are no graffix. => 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? Unless I'm mixing this up with another CD, this has no graphics. It came with a companion book. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 18:22:26 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:22:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > >=> I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened to >=> for a while.... >=> >=> Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg > >=> The only problem is there are no graffix. > >=> 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? > >Unless I'm mixing this up with another CD, this has no graphics. It >came with a companion book. There's a scan of the cover and details of where it was recorded at http://www.adawson.clara.net//livespac.html -- David Blair From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jan 11 18:11:48 2001 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:11:48 -0800 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: With apologies to the non-USA listmembers ... On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:39:44 -0500, Andrew Apold wrote: >There ought to be some decent football this weekend, though... GO RAIDERS!!!! -Doug (Oaktown, CA) ceres at sirius.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Jan 11 20:52:18 2001 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Erebus) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:52:18 -0800 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus Erectus Question Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hall, Russell J" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:18 AM Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus Erectus Question > I have (I believe) the re-released copy of Cultosaurus Erectus sitting on my > stereo, still in its shrinkwrap - fresh from CDNow. > > Is there anyway of telling if this is indeed the 'new' remastered version of > the CD? (That is, before I open it and thus cannot return it) It looks > identical to the old one with the exception of the "Made in Holland" sticker > on it. > > Thanks > The remaster of Cultosaurus was released on Sony Rewind. The CD itself is orange, the original album art is restored (pics of a boy and girl beside some dino bones at the American Museum of Natural History), and the downbeat in Deadline is restored. They also used a jewel case with a clear back, which portrays the famous Cultosaurus Erectus, if your CD has this (which you should be able to tell without opening it) then you have the remaster. Also, the jewel case sides are Blue, with BOC written in black, and CE written in white. The original CD was released with the generic Columbia Red on White lettering. From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Jan 11 19:26:34 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:26:34 -0500 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....) Message-ID: Try this for bedside reading..... http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/space_activities_and_global_popular_music _culture.shtml By the way, any1 know of a source for love in space (2cd)? From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 11 19:45:29 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:45:29 +0000 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....) In-Reply-To: <200101120026.TAA28982@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200101120026.TAA28982 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx writes >Try this for bedside reading..... > >http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/space_activities_and_global_popular_music >_culture.shtml Interesting.. a bit laboured though! Also inaccurate- I quote from the piece: "Hawkwind released the album Night of the Hawk with the song "Starflight". " No comment required! > >By the way, any1 know of a source for love in space (2cd)? No but I'd love to know of one too, also of anywhere that is selling Alien 4. -- Nick Medford From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 11 20:10:33 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:10:33 EST Subject: Space+Rock (I think....)Re: Alien 4 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/01 7:56:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > No but I'd love to know of one too, also of anywhere that is selling Alien 4. > CDZone(cdzone.co.uk) and CD Paradise(cd.paradise.com) both have Alien 4 listed for sale. Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jan 11 20:20:45 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:20:45 +0000 Subject: HW tab In-Reply-To: <002901c07b5b$e5910220$e7d1b718@cc177845c> Message-ID: At 18.20 -0500 10.1.2001, John Majka wrote: >I don't understand why people even bother posting such vague tablatures... I >mean the whole sus4 to major 3rd motif doesn't appear at all... True, it >outlines the root notes I suppose. One of these days I'll get ambitious and >post some of my own. Jack of Shadows is one I've actually figured out in >the past, so I know how simplified the tab here posted really is. I've always thought guitar tab for Hawkwind was sort of pointless. I mean, you just _play_ it! Blanga blanga, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Jan 11 22:15:21 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:15:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: From: "Andrew Apold" > There ought to be some decent football this weekend, though... Go Raiders!!! That should be a real good game Baltimore vs Oakland. I think the winner of that also wins the Super Bowl. Jerry From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 11 22:56:37 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:56:37 -0700 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The picture isn't of the CD cover (there wasn't one), but of the book that it came with. KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Tigger Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:22 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Live In Space 1990 In article , Paul Mather writes >On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > >=> I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened to >=> for a while.... >=> >=> Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg > >=> The only problem is there are no graffix. > >=> 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? > >Unless I'm mixing this up with another CD, this has no graphics. It >came with a companion book. There's a scan of the cover and details of where it was recorded at http://www.adawson.clara.net//livespac.html -- David Blair From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 11 23:15:56 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:15:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <008c01c07c45$e94b7cc0$c04a1818@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Hmm Don't tell that to the Giants or Minnesota. However being a Raider fan since '69 (ripe age of 7) I am certainly hoping you are right. Here are my scenarios. Ravens loose to anyone in the Superbowl. Raiders loose to Minn and beat the Giants. We shall see, but I'm looking forward to this weekend's games Mike H. NYS > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jerry Guizar > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:15 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate > > > From: "Andrew Apold" > > > There ought to be some decent football this weekend, though... > > Go Raiders!!! That should be a real good game Baltimore vs Oakland. > I think the winner of that also wins the Super Bowl. > > Jerry > From chip at PCC.COM Thu Jan 11 23:21:54 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:21:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: WAY OFF (Baseball) In-Reply-To: <28.faef3be.278f813b@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Jan 11, 2001 04:35:55 PM Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM spoke: > << There isn't any indication that shows > that guys who don't play the field hit better. In fact, if > anything, there's a negative correlation. > excuse me? > are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? No, not at all. I was responding to the suggestion that the DHs hit better than people who field. They don't. Never have. People who switch back and forth - Frank Thomas, for example - often hit better when they play. I don't think a DH has ever been among the top 10 most effective hitters in the league during any year it has been in place. Meanwhile: > hank aaron > tommy harper > tommy davis > harmon killebrew > orlando cepeda > willie horton > harold baines ...and how many of these guys got into the HOF because of the extra years they got as DHs? *NONE*. Killebrew hit well enough they would have started him at first anyway (it's not like he was a good fielder to start). The others? I'm not great DH fan, but on a yearly basis, it affects hitting by only about 3-5%...not much. However, a more important comment: > name some of these players, plz. Do yourself a favor and pick up "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James. It's a great read and is quite shocking in parts. For example, you'll learn how having a number of former Cardinals on the VC led to...a bunch of former Cardinals getting in. Rather than provide you with a list, check out totalbaseball.com, baseball1.com, or baseball-reference.com and look at some of the VC picks over the years. Although they've been better - George Davis was long overdue - they've been really bad in the past. If you really want some names, I can reference some articles I co-wrote about the most over- and under-rated players from each decade of the century :-) [To be published this winter, I think.] In the meantime, let's clear something else up: From: Andrew Apold >The demise of baseball occurred in the offseason after 1991. The Twins >were the last small market, small money team to win a series without >megabucks, on the strength of their farm system and a bit of luck. First, let's consider what a "small market" team is. Up through the 80s and part of the 90s, small market teams included...Atlanta and Cleveland. Baltimore, too, but they spent a lot of money and actually LOST, which goes against the idea that you can "buy" a victory. If you measure based on "fan range," that also includes teams like Colorado, Houston, etc. - teams who make TONS of money. The notion of a "small market" team is a fallacy created by the owners who don't live in NYC, LA, or Chicago. Second, the Yankees actually have as many or more FARM TEAM players as anyone who has made it close in the last few decades. They're well run. I'm not a Yankee fan, but it's nice to see generally wise spending (unlike, say, Arizona, Colorado, Pittsburgh, etc.) and farm management succeed. Third, the "demise of baseball" has been predicted every year since its inception. It's not going anywhere. > Every year one smaller cash team makes some noises > (A's, Reds, etc) First, watch the As. Closely. They have something going. Just like Cleveland and Atlanta did. Second, SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY is not the answer. That's been proven since well before free agency. It's HOW you spend it. Young players, long (cheap) contracts. The teams that spend a lot of money on older players - TB, Pittsburgh, Cubs, etc. - will always fail. The Pirates offer a long contract to Andy Van Slyke and let Bonds go...and look what happens. Third - AND DON'T FORGET THIS - you don't have to win to make money in baseball. This is the PRIMARY LESSON of the Chicago Cubs and the Florida Marlins. They will ALWAYS sell their tickets and tshirts whether the team wins 60 or 90 games. Wrigley figured that our years ago - that's why they only make a little noise from year to year...just enough to keep selling beer. >I'll be shocked if its >anyone other than a handful of teams (Yankees, Mets, Braves, etc) next >year and probably the next... I haven't watched a game since '97. Sigh. Here's a quiz for you: Count the number of unique teams who have made the playoffs over, say, the last 10 years. Count the number of teams who made the playoffs during any decade BEFORE free agency (adjust for the extra slots). It's not even close. Cripes, free agency has done MORE for league equality than anything else! The Yankees used to win ALL THE TIME. The Cardinals in the 40s. The Dodgers in the 50s. Talk about forgone conclusions! Free agency means that EVERYONE who wants a shot, can. Sorry for taking your time. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jan 12 00:27:59 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:27:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: WAY OFF (Baseball) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Second, SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY is not the answer. That's been I never said it was... many teams as you say spend tons and don't. But it is a prerequisite. I admit, I'm a twins fan. And I guarantee 100% rock solid, they will not even come close to .500 ball. This year, or the next five years. Neither will the Royals, and several other teams out there.... maybe if they'd been successful in getting a stadium after '91... but they weren't. And it seems that many of the teams rejuvenated with new stadiums haven't held up in the long haul. Cleveland applied just about the right strategy to make last, and has been successful, though. > Third - AND DON'T FORGET THIS - you don't have to win to make > money in baseball. This is the PRIMARY LESSON of the Chicago > Cubs and the Florida Marlins. They will ALWAYS sell their > tickets and tshirts whether the team wins 60 or 90 games. The Marlins... I live in South Florida... if they had only kept that team together, they would be mentioned in the same breath with all those other teams... they really had put it all together, yes, with a huge payroll.... but they didn't get the attendence figures, and never got a chance to become a dynasty. Its amazing when you see how many ex-marlins factor in a major way every year, though. > Sigh. Here's a quiz for you: > > Count the number of unique teams who have made the playoffs > over, say, the last 10 years. > Count the number of teams who made the playoffs during any > decade BEFORE free agency (adjust for the extra slots). It's > not even close. There are more slots, yes, but I'm talking about teams that have won it, not been close. We get Blue Jays, Braves, Marlins and Yankees. The 80's saw Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Twins, A's, Reds, Royals. Even accounting for the strike year. I just think some kind of revenue sharing has got to happen... the NFL has got it right on this score. The Rams were the losingest team in the 90's going into 1999...and won the Superbowl. Every year, there is hope for just about every team (except the Bengals). ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 03:26:26 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:26:26 +0000 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Medford writes >In message <200101120026.TAA28982 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx B.ORG> writes >>Try this for bedside reading..... >> >>http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/space_activities_and_global_popular_music >>_culture.shtml > >Interesting.. a bit laboured though! > >Also inaccurate- I quote from the piece: > >"Hawkwind released the album Night of the Hawk with the song >"Starflight". " > >No comment required! ? The album was released, with that track on it. http://www.adawson.clara.net//night-of.html > >> >>By the way, any1 know of a source for love in space (2cd)? > >No but I'd love to know of one too, also of anywhere that is selling Alien 4. www.cdzone.co.uk -- David Blair From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jan 12 03:29:21 2001 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:29:21 -0700 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: > I can't believe we're discussing baseball. The problem with professional sports is both the players and the owners. My ass is sore from the whole thing. Spring traing, coming up! I'm going to Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Da Nang, Ho Chi Min City, Bangkok and Singapore next week. Any body on this list from any of these places? Brad Dahl, watching it snow in Utah From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jan 12 03:33:16 2001 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:33:16 -0700 Subject: OT: Yngwie Message-ID: > Especially, when I heard that a couple days later that Yngwie was caught giving some young man oral sex in South Florida. Even funnier!! Now that's what I call Spring Training! Batter up! Brad Dahl, who will now always snicker when someone says "Yngwie sucks!" From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Fri Jan 12 03:50:04 2001 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (Cosmos Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:50:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <007d01c07c71$c3e223e0$7519adcf@ita.sel.sony.com> Message-ID: > > I can't believe we're discussing baseball. > >The problem with professional sports is both the players and the owners. My >ass is sore from the whole thing. > >Spring traing, coming up! > >I'm going to Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Da Nang, Ho Chi Min City, Bangkok and >Singapore next week. Any body on this list from any of these places? > >Brad Dahl, watching it snow in Utah no i'm not form there but i was in all these places except for ho chi min city..... my most favourable of these was guangzhou !!!! From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 03:34:07 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:34:07 -0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning Message-ID: From: Maxine Wesley > One of my favourite photos of Dave Brock is the one with his arm > around Vera Lynn - anyone know the story behind this mysterious > coupling? Would be interesting to see this - anybody got a scan or a web page link, perhaps? Ian From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 04:45:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: home-brewed DVD Message-ID: You'll probably all think I'm a sad guy, but I've been having fun trying to make my own HW DVD (well, a VideoCD actually, but it plays in domestic DVD players). So far I've burnt on the Silver Machine film and some favourite audio moments with HW slides. I wonder what else could be usefully put on... If anyone out there has AVI or MPG clips of reasonable quality of other 'favourite bits', I'd be happy to add them to the DVD and make you a copy etc. Please DON'T send them by email, as they'll doubtless be huge! A copy on CDR or (failing all else) a web URL would be needed. Fun, fun, fun..... 8-) Steve Litchfield (slitchfield at ukonline.co.uk) From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 12 05:40:20 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:10:20 +1030 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....)Re: Alien 4 Message-ID: Same here!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Space+Rock (I think....)Re: Alien 4 In a message dated 1/11/01 7:56:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: No but I'd love to know of one too, also of anywhere that is selling Alien 4. CDZone(cdzone.co.uk) and CD Paradise(cd.paradise.com) both have Alien 4 listed for sale. Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 12 06:18:58 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:18:58 EDT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010111164701.00844460@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: On 11 Jan 01, at 16:47, Andrew Apold wrote: > >excuse me? > >are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? > > yes, but it also means facing better pitching (all other things > being equal) across one's career, as the pitchers do not have to > wast time and concentration on batting, and are less likely to be > pulled for a pinch hit. Yeah but that overlooks the fact that pitching in general has been in a long decline. Witness the huge himerun numbers lately. Sosa used to be a 35 HR/yr kind of guy--back when our president-elect traded him... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 12 06:20:59 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:20:59 EDT Subject: OT: Yngwie In-Reply-To: <008401c07c72$504ccba0$7519adcf@ita.sel.sony.com> Message-ID: On 12 Jan 01, at 1:33, Brad Dahl wrote: > > Especially, when I heard that a couple days later that Yngwie was > > caught > giving some young man oral sex in South Florida. Even funnier!! > I heard it was an old man... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 12 06:26:20 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:26:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Jan 01, at 15:59, Chip Hart wrote: > > Imagine how many > > homeruns the Babe would've hit if he didn't play the field? > > Just as many, probably. There isn't any indication that shows > that guys who don't play the field hit better. In fact, if > anything, there's a negative correlation. > Maybe not, but if the Babe had been able to rest his body a few days each week not playing the outfield? theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 08:09:06 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:09:06 -0500 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....)Re: Alien 4 Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:10:33 EST, Joe Loehr wrote: > >CDZone(cdzone.co.uk) and CD Paradise(cd.paradise.com) both have Alien 4 >listed for sale. Great, thanks. Just ordered it from CDParadise. Remains to be seen whether they really *do* have it! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 12 09:07:54 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:07:54 +0800 Subject: HW: home-brewed DVD Message-ID: > You'll probably all think I'm a sad guy, but I've been having fun trying > to make my own HW DVD (well, a VideoCD actually, but it plays in domestic > DVD players). > > So far I've burnt on the Silver Machine film and some favourite audio > moments with HW slides. I wonder what else could be usefully put on... > > If anyone out there has AVI or MPG clips of reasonable quality of other > 'favourite bits', I'd be happy to add them to the DVD and make you a copy > etc. Please DON'T send them by email, as they'll doubtless be huge! A copy > on CDR or (failing all else) a web URL would be needed. > > Fun, fun, fun..... 8-) There's always the video of The Hawkwind Collection, which has film clips for various Space Bandits & Palace Springs tracks, as well as the clips that are floating around of the band on Marc Bolan's show doing Quark, Strangeness & Charm, & various others. Some are only in mono, but you could sync up the audio from the CD recordings? I've got some of these clips if you are interested. At present they are on video, so I need a new SCSI card to get my CDR to work. I'll be getting it in a few days. You could also try doing an SVCD or DIVX, as the quality would be better, and it would mean you could do up menus, etc.. William From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jan 12 09:04:50 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:04:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: <200101121219.HAA24335@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:18 AM 1/12/01 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >On 11 Jan 01, at 16:47, Andrew Apold wrote: > > >> >excuse me? >> >are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? >> >> yes, but it also means facing better pitching (all other things >> being equal) across one's career, as the pitchers do not have to >> wast time and concentration on batting, and are less likely to be >> pulled for a pinch hit. > >Yeah but that overlooks the fact that pitching in general has been in a >long decline. Witness the huge himerun numbers lately. Sosa used >to be a 35 HR/yr kind of guy--back when our president-elect traded >him... Different eras.... no one hits .400 like someone used to every other year back at the start of the century, either. how can we bring this back on topic... did Eric make any world series predictions this year? was the cricket bat used by Ian Faith in Spinal Tap based on anything done by a manager we know? Can we get Doug Smith worked into this? ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Jan 12 09:21:10 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:21:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: Eric hates the Yankees and often wears a "Sick of it all" t-shirt with a redcircle/line through the NY yankees symbol. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Apold [SMTP:mordru at FLITE.NET] > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:05 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate > > At 07:18 AM 1/12/01 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > >On 11 Jan 01, at 16:47, Andrew Apold wrote: > > > > > >> >excuse me? > >> >are you saying the dh doesnt extend careers? and add at-bats? > >> > >> yes, but it also means facing better pitching (all other things > >> being equal) across one's career, as the pitchers do not have to > >> wast time and concentration on batting, and are less likely to be > >> pulled for a pinch hit. > > > >Yeah but that overlooks the fact that pitching in general has been in a > >long decline. Witness the huge himerun numbers lately. Sosa used > >to be a 35 HR/yr kind of guy--back when our president-elect traded > >him... > > Different eras.... no one hits .400 like someone used to every other year > back at the start of the century, either. > > how can we bring this back on topic... did Eric make any world series > predictions this year? was the cricket bat used by Ian Faith in > Spinal Tap based on anything done by a manager we know? Can we get > Doug Smith worked into this? > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 12 08:58:33 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:58:33 EDT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12 Jan 01, at 9:21, Hall, Russell J wrote: > Eric hates the Yankees and often wears a "Sick of it all" t-shirt with > a redcircle/line through the NY yankees symbol. > Didn't he say something negative re. the Yanks at the Northern Lights gig? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 10:14:49 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:14:49 GMT Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate In-Reply-To: Hall, Russell J's message of Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:48:26 -0500 Message-ID: Hall, Russell J writes: > Today is the anniversary of the adoption of the designated hitter rule in > 1973 What's that then? Is it something to do with Rounders? FoFP From chip at PCC.COM Fri Jan 12 10:29:42 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:29:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: WAY OFF (Baseball) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010112002759.00b7c1f0@pop3.norton.antivirus> from "Andrew Apold" at Jan 12, 2001 12:27:59 AM Message-ID: My final message on a way-off topic. I'll go privately if people are interested. Andrew Apold spoke: > > Second, SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY is not the answer. That's been > I never said it was... You said it was the problem, though. It's not. > many teams as you say spend tons and don't. > But it is a prerequisite. Spending tons of money isn't a big deal - the teams MAKE tons of money. It's a *$6 BILLION DOLLAR* a year business. Teams who don't want to spend money should a) sell the team or b) stop whining. Who is the highest paid employee of the Yankees? Jeter? Clemens? STEINBRENNER. > I admit, I'm a twins fan. And I guarantee 100% rock solid, they will > not even come close to .500 ball. This year, or the next five years. They have little true motivation to do so, which is part of the problem. > Neither will the Royals, and several other teams out there.... maybe > if they'd been successful in getting a stadium after '91... but they > weren't. Stadiums have little to do with it. In fact, stadiums benefit only one group of people: the owners. Study after study shows that the local tax paying public gets ripped off. > And it seems that many of the teams rejuvenated with new > stadiums haven't held up in the long haul. Cleveland applied just > about the right strategy to make last, and has been successful, > though. ...and Baltimore would have, if they learned how to spend money properly. > The Marlins... I live in South Florida... if they had only kept that > team together, they would be mentioned in the same breath with > all those other teams... What Wayne realized, though, is that you don't have to try so hard to bring in the big bucks. He could cut all those guys and STILL end up in the black. And, watching his team appreciate at a rate far faster than the stock market, he must be quite happy. > There are more slots, yes, but I'm talking about teams that have won it, > not been close. We get Blue Jays, Braves, Marlins and Yankees. > The 80's saw Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Twins, A's, Reds, Royals. Even > accounting for the strike year. ??? Here's a list of the unique teams in the final playoffs (i.e., the last 4...so we don't have to worry much about the extra slots) over the last two decades: 90s: Yankees, Mets, Braves, Red Sox, Padres, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Cardinals, Mariners, Reds, Jays, White Sox, Phillies Pirates, Twins, A's, Marlins (18) 80s: A's, Giants, Blue Jays, Cubs, Dodgers, Red Sox, Mets, Cardinals, Twins, Tigers, Angels, Astros, Royals, Brewers, Montreal, Brewers, Phillies (17) Geeze, in each decade at least 17 teams make it to the final round of the playoffs. Let's adjust for just WORLD SERIES teams, though. The numbers? 90s - 10 (with only 9 years, no 94) 80s - 15? Let's skip to pre-free agents. 60s - 10 50s - 7 40s - 8 30s - 10 etc. Since free agency, we've had MORE parity. > I just think some kind of revenue sharing has got to happen... the NFL > has got it right on this score. The Rams were the losingest team in > the 90's going into 1999...and won the Superbowl. Every year, there > is hope for just about every team (except the Bengals). I agree with this. It is, in a non-capitalist way, unfair that some teams can generate so much more TV revenue than others. HOWEVER, the problem is that revenue sharing would require the teams to open their books a little, and they don't want to do that. Now, Ted: >Maybe not, but if the Babe had been able to rest his body a few days >each week not playing the outfield? First, he's an AWFUL example, as we know that he wouldn't have "rested" his body no matter what he did. Second, there's no indication that playing right field takes any kind of toll on a player. In fact, by keeping warmed up and alert during the game, he may have hit better. Playing in the OF didn't hurt Ruth's career. Had he had a chance to DH - I don't know. He didn't quit because he couldn't field any more. He quit because he was batting .181. Here's the kicker, though: >Yeah but that overlooks the fact that pitching in general has been in a >long decline. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support this fact whatsoever. In fact, one could argue the OPPOSITE. 20 years ago, a pitcher who threw 90 was the ace. Now, each team has 1/2 a dozen guys who do it. The strike zone is almost completely negated (imagine Pedro, Randy Johnson, or even some 1/2 feeb like Jose Lima with Koufax's strike zone!). >Witness the huge himerun numbers lately. Sosa used >to be a 35 HR/yr kind of guy--back when our president-elect traded >him... ...and you think that the population sample for pitchers changed? No, this is what happened. Owners starting paying for home runs and rbis. Players got bigger as a result. A LOT BIGGER. Let me give you some examples: Willie Mays: 5' 11", 180lb ARod: 6' 3", 190lb Mickey Mantle: 5' 11", 198lb Cal Ripken: 6' 4", 225lb Hank Aaron: 6' , 180lb Derek Jeter: 6' 3", 180lb Notice that I've got a "big" centerfielder from the 50s compared to SHORTSTOP from today. You see, the biggest guy on the team from even 20 years ago would be average, at best, now. The fences, bats, and balls have stayed the same. The strike zone has shrunk. THAT'S why pitchers "seem worse." They're not. They've improved significantly...but not as much as hitters. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jan 12 10:42:19 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:42:19 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/01 7:26:53 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > Maybe not, but if the Babe had been able to rest his body a few days each week not playing the outfield? >> ==== well, in his case, those off-field days might give him an opportunity to eat a sh*tload of hot dogs during the game... heh "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jan 12 10:47:16 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:47:16 EST Subject: OFF: Looks like a good reason to celebrate Message-ID: In a message dated 1/12/01 9:21:47 AM, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: << > Different eras.... no one hits .400 like someone used to every other year > back at the start of the century, either. > >> ===== back in the day, a starting pitcher would remain in the game w/o being replaced by 3-5 relief pitchers, even if he was getting pounded, and was plumb out of gas, too. = "way back! wayyyyyyy BACK!" "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Jan 12 10:49:08 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:49:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 16:58 11.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: >Greeting Hawkfans! >Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg >I have 2 requests: >1) Could someone tell me what show this is from? Leicester, DeMontfort Hall, 05.11.1990 (except HIGH TECH CITIES) Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 12 11:16:12 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:16:12 GMT Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:49:08 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > At 16:58 11.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Greeting Hawkfans! > >Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg > > >I have 2 requests: > > >1) Could someone tell me what show this is from? > > Leicester, DeMontfort Hall, 05.11.1990 > (except HIGH TECH CITIES) So where was High Tech Cities from? FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 12 11:29:05 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:29:05 +0800 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 Message-ID: > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > Hi > > > > At 16:58 11.01.2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Greeting Hawkfans! > > >Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg > > > > >I have 2 requests: > > > > >1) Could someone tell me what show this is from? > > > > Leicester, DeMontfort Hall, 05.11.1990 > > (except HIGH TECH CITIES) > > So where was High Tech Cities from? It's the studio track from Dave's solo recording (1st or 2nd album. Can't recall which just now). William From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 12 13:40:30 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:40:30 +0000 Subject: Space+Rock (I think....) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Tigger writes >>"Hawkwind released the album Night of the Hawk with the song >>"Starflight". " >> >>No comment required! > >? The album was released, with that track on it. >http://www.adawson.clara.net//night-of.html Goodness gracious me. Just when I thought I'd got a handle on all the shady HW compilations, up pops another one I've never heard of. Well, I was wrong. Wonder why the author chose to mention that one specifically? There are so many space-related HW titles that could have been chosen. -- Nick Medford From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Jan 12 13:58:02 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:58:02 -0000 Subject: Emergency On Planet Earth Message-ID: saw this will browsing through the hawkwind section of www.cdzone.co.uk anyone know what it is??? It says it on vinyl. cheers colm From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jan 12 15:34:42 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:34:42 -0500 Subject: Collector Series (again) Message-ID: Hi all I just finished listening to both '79 and '82 AGAIN all the way through here at the office. I cannot recommend these enough. Yes some of the sound quality on the tracks are a bit dodgy but overall these two cd's provide a very fulfilling experience and a great insight to the band during these years. Get thee forth and buy them this weekend if you have not already. Mike H. -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Jan 12 17:38:03 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:38:03 -0500 Subject: Hw: MC Updates and Announcements Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS Mission Control Update computer has been recharged. all crew please revisit to familiarise yourselves with new data. Please pay particular attention to the "on the ether" section....... HawkXmas data is now on a unique URL, and after party party pix are now on the HawkXmas picture server... (Thanks to contributors) Follow links from updates...... ++MESSAGE ENDS From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 12 19:26:00 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:26:00 EST Subject: Space+Rock (I think....)Re: Alien 4 Message-ID: Glad to be of service. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 12 23:53:10 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:23:10 +1030 Subject: Hw: MC Updates and Announcements Message-ID: Thanks Rik Hey that two / three day Hawkwind Festival sounds terrrrrrifffic Please, oh polease let that come together!!!!! I will be there without a doubt!!!!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Hw: MC Updates and Announcements > ++STAR WARRIORS > > Mission Control Update computer has been recharged. > all crew please revisit to familiarise yourselves with > new data. Please pay particular attention to the "on the ether" > section....... HawkXmas data is now on a unique URL, and after > party party pix are now on the HawkXmas picture server... > (Thanks to contributors) Follow links from updates...... > > ++MESSAGE ENDS > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 12 23:55:13 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:25:13 +1030 Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc Message-ID: Just had a look thru the XMAS photos & I must say I'm quite green with envy ;>) Arin, Bernhard & all - you look like you were in Hawks heaven I bet it was a blast!!! Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Jan 13 00:47:15 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:47:15 -0600 Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc In-Reply-To: <001901c07d1d$04819a60$d3cb223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Michael Blackman wrote: :Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc : :Just had a look thru the XMAS photos & I must say I'm quite green with envy ;>) : :Arin, Bernhard & all - you look like you were in Hawks heaven : :I bet it was a blast!!! It was a blast. Now what's this Rik posted about a possible Hawk festival in the summer? Any further detail on that? Arin (now *that* would be fun.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 03:06:25 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:36:25 +1030 Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc Message-ID: All I know is whats posted at Mission control - possibility of 2 - 3 day Hawkwind festival. More details polease!!! Mr Hawkfan inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: HW Xmas party pix etc > On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Michael Blackman wrote: > > :Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc > : > :Just had a look thru the XMAS photos & I must say I'm quite green with envy ;>) > : > :Arin, Bernhard & all - you look like you were in Hawks heaven > : > :I bet it was a blast!!! > > It was a blast. > > Now what's this Rik posted about a possible Hawk festival in > the summer? > > Any further detail on that? > > Arin > (now *that* would be fun.) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jan 13 03:18:26 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:18:26 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Yes Yes Yes Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. Yes Again. Rich W From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 04:02:15 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:32:15 +1030 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Is that where the festival will be held? and where is the lake district?? My vote is YEA YEa YEA fr a 3 day festival and I'm raising all six of my arms in affirmation heh Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Warren To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Festival > Yes > Yes > Yes > > Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. > > Yes Again. > > Rich W From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 04:12:50 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 09:12:50 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: souns like a great idea, i'll be coming!!!! colm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 13 January 2001 09:01 Subject: Re: Festival >Is that where the festival will be held? >and where is the lake district?? > >My vote is YEA YEa YEA fr a 3 day festival and I'm raising all six of my >arms in affirmation >heh > >Michael Blackman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rich Warren >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:48 PM >Subject: Festival > > >> Yes >> Yes >> Yes >> >> Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. >> >> Yes Again. >> >> Rich W From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 13 06:29:01 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:29:01 +0100 Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc In-Reply-To: <001901c07d1d$04819a60$d3cb223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: At 15:25 13.01.2001 +1030, you wrote: >Arin, Bernhard & all - you look like you were in Hawks heaven Michael, we were INDEED in heaven!!! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 13 06:32:10 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:32:10 +0100 Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: <000801c07d39$674bc280$9a7679d5@a> Message-ID: At 08:18 13.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >Yes >Yes >Yes > >Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? Details please! Bernhard From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 06:53:54 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:53:54 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: its in cumbria isn't it??? got this from ask jeeves: Northwest England's Lake District nestles in the Cumbrian Mountains, an area of grassy boulder-strewn hills, cliffs and lakes. The region is ancient, its hills rounded with centuries of erosion, and ancient Norse words like fells are still used to describe the hilly terrain. The scenic beauty of the region has attracted many tourists since the mid-eighteenth century, and provided inspiration for a generation of poets including Wordsworth, Ruskin, Shelley, Tennyson, and others who came to be known as the Lake Poets. hope that helps cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 13 January 2001 11:36 Subject: Re: Festival >At 08:18 13.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >>Yes >>Yes >>Yes >> >>Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. > > >WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? >Details please! > >Bernhard > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jan 13 07:01:21 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:01:21 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Northern England, in Cumbria, just South of Scotland. The Lake District is a National Park, with lakes ;-) Rich W From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 13 07:04:48 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:04:48 +0100 Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: <000c01c07d58$95268ea0$8d7579d5@a> Message-ID: Hi folks Thanks for the info about the LAKE DISTRICT Bernhard From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 08:31:24 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:31:24 -0000 Subject: its so easy Message-ID: i must be bored...... listening to "hall of the mountain grill" remastered cd today and it struck me that the song "its so easy" could easily fit into a set by oasis. Could easily imagine noel and liam belting this one out especially the chorus " say what you say, do what you want........" wierd or what??? colm From micci at SCI.FI Sat Jan 13 08:46:06 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:46:06 +0200 Subject: off: starfield Message-ID: Hi! Okey, I had missed something. What is this Starfield CD? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 09:02:57 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:02:57 -0000 Subject: off: starfield Message-ID: starfield is a certain captain bl at ck(who contributes to this list and also plays EMS synths live with hawkwind) and danny faulkaner (bedouin vocalist) top rate spacerock if you ask me. Well worth a purchase. I especially like the track "in the trees" colm -----Original Message----- From: Miikka Wagner To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 13 January 2001 13:50 Subject: off: starfield >Hi! > >Okey, I had missed something. What is this Starfield CD? > >Miikka Wagner >email: micci at sci.fi >http://www.sci.fi/~micci > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 13 10:36:31 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:36:31 +0000 Subject: Blanga where you least expect it In-Reply-To: <200012282040.MAA27615@bob.te-cats.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, John H. McCartney wrote: > The odd little gem here is Ultima Thule (part 1), which I had heard > rumours about as being "atypical" for TD, wow is it ever. Basically > it sounds like it could be an outtake from the Hall Of The Mountain > Grill sessions, but with a good dose of Space Ritual energy. Lovely > guitar and drums, oh my! With Syd Barrett on guitar. That bit's important... The drumming is also superb, jazz quartets falling like hailstones. I got the dodgy repress for a tenner and I wasn't ripped off as badly as that sounds for two tracks... Yours, Jon ObCD: Ozric Tentacles - _Arborescence_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 13 10:40:55 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:40:55 -0500 Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: <200101131132.MAA29237@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: => WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? => Details please! The Lake District is in North-West England, and is an incredibly beautiful area. It is a National Park area, which I would have thought would make getting planning permission for a three day festival a bit tricky, but who knows? Maybe they can have the festival in the stone circle near Keswick? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Syracuse, NY, 2000-05-28 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 13 10:47:40 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:47:40 +0000 Subject: an ozrics question In-Reply-To: <01fe01c072b9$ed5bb360$3a9abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Between what you and Richard mentioned, the bottom line on the 'Spice Doubt' > CD is that, techically, it is rare. We would love to get hold of a box full > at CDS. > Basically what happened was that it came out very suddenly, with no > pre-promotion and as a limited edition. Because it was a one-off deal > between the label and the band, with proceeds being shared, the distributor > was not the normal one and most outlets failed to get any because by the > time they found out about it, and who on earth was selling it, the > distributors (Telstar Leisure as they were known) had sold out, We shifted a > load, but supplies literally lasted about two weeks and then it was gone. I > recently spoke to the Ozrics camp about this and about 7500 were presed of > which over healf went to the USA on export, and they reckon that someone > somewhere is still sitting on a whole stack of the CD's. Ironically, also, > the group have never been paid one red cent by the label for the run of 7500 > that were all sold - familiar story????? There's a little bit more to the story than normal in this case, in that the Ozrics probably would have been paid by Snapper had they not voided their contract shortly after its release due to an acute disagreement with the label. This means that Sanpper are no longer obliged to hold to their side either, meaning the Ozrics don't get paid any royalties for any future sales of _Curious Corn_ or _Waterfall Cities_, or any at all for _Spice Doubt_ or _Swirly Termination_, or indeed the Floating Seeds_ remixes. There have been debates on alt.fan.ozric-tentacles about whether or not to buy the things, or whether instead just to tree them on a massive scale and send a quid or two to the band. Attempts were being made to get the band to get Blim to produce alternative artwork for these releases so that the fans could pay the band for something but I never saw anything come together on that. But basically, everything between _Become The Other_ and _Hidden Step_ is feeding Snapper and their employees and no-one else (except the webcast label in the case of _Spice Doubt_). Yours, Jon P.S. Snapper had just got the whole Ozrics back catalogue too but I believe the Ozrics got to take that with them. Does anyone know that for sure? -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 13 10:49:45 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:49:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <200012302007.eBUK7aa77073@florence.pavilion.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Jason Gool wrote: > > Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit > > for a while & > > contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it. > > Does anyone know why Huw didn't play? I figure Dave wanted no screw-ups this time and wasn't taking any chances. Harsh but possibly fair. For all that Dave may have been draconian in setting this one up his way (and I haven't actually seen anyone say this), if that was the case, it worked and I for one won't argue. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 10:58:01 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:58:01 -0000 Subject: an ozrics question Message-ID: what was the acute disagreement with the label? colm -----Original Message----- From: Jon Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 13 January 2001 15:52 Subject: Re: an ozrics question >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > >> Between what you and Richard mentioned, the bottom line on the 'Spice Doubt' >> CD is that, techically, it is rare. We would love to get hold of a box full >> at CDS. >> Basically what happened was that it came out very suddenly, with no >> pre-promotion and as a limited edition. Because it was a one-off deal >> between the label and the band, with proceeds being shared, the distributor >> was not the normal one and most outlets failed to get any because by the >> time they found out about it, and who on earth was selling it, the >> distributors (Telstar Leisure as they were known) had sold out, We shifted a >> load, but supplies literally lasted about two weeks and then it was gone. I >> recently spoke to the Ozrics camp about this and about 7500 were presed of >> which over healf went to the USA on export, and they reckon that someone >> somewhere is still sitting on a whole stack of the CD's. Ironically, also, >> the group have never been paid one red cent by the label for the run of 7500 >> that were all sold - familiar story????? > > There's a little bit more to the story than normal in this case, >in that the Ozrics probably would have been paid by Snapper had they not >voided their contract shortly after its release due to an acute >disagreement with the label. This means that Sanpper are no longer obliged >to hold to their side either, meaning the Ozrics don't get paid any >royalties for any future sales of _Curious Corn_ or _Waterfall Cities_, or >any at all for _Spice Doubt_ or _Swirly Termination_, or indeed the >Floating Seeds_ remixes. There have been debates on >alt.fan.ozric-tentacles about whether or not to buy the things, or whether >instead just to tree them on a massive scale and send a quid or two to the >band. Attempts were being made to get the band to get Blim to produce >alternative artwork for these releases so that the fans could pay the band >for something but I never saw anything come together on that. > > But basically, everything between _Become The Other_ and _Hidden >Step_ is feeding Snapper and their employees and no-one else (except the >webcast label in the case of _Spice Doubt_). Yours, > Jon > >P.S. Snapper had just got the whole Ozrics back catalogue too but I >believe the Ozrics got to take that with them. Does anyone know that for >sure? >-- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 11:06:52 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:06:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: i think your assuming quite a bit there, maybe huw didn't want to play as he might of heard some of the negative feedback of this mailing list? anyway huw played a blinder during his solo set colm -----Original Message----- From: Jon Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 13 January 2001 15:53 Subject: Re: HW: Astoria >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Jason Gool wrote: > >> > Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit >> > for a while & >> > contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it. >> >> Does anyone know why Huw didn't play? > > I figure Dave wanted no screw-ups this time and wasn't taking any >chances. Harsh but possibly fair. For all that Dave may have been >draconian in setting this one up his way (and I haven't actually seen >anyone say this), if that was the case, it worked and I for one won't >argue. Yours, > Jon > >-- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 13 11:44:05 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:44:05 -0000 Subject: AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS (Camden 16/11/88): Message-ID: AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS (Camden 16/11/88):The Right Stuff/Death Trap/ Damnation Alley/All Along The Watchtower/Motorway City/Living On A Knife Edge/ Lost Chronicles/City Of Tiny Lights/Unknown(unreleased track)/Psi Power/Shot Down In The Night/Brainstorm(encore). is this a bootleg and is it easy to get hold off?? colm From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Sat Jan 13 12:26:15 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: I fear our comments on the list here may have had something to do with Huw not playing with HW at the Astoria. I'm sure he was just having an off night at the Hawkestra gig, because he's really an amazing guitar player, and his most recent stuff shows as much. He hasn't lost a bit of skill over the years. John Majka > i think your assuming quite a bit there, maybe huw didn't want to play as he > might of heard some of the negative feedback of this mailing list? > > anyway huw played a blinder during his solo set > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Jarrett > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 13 January 2001 15:53 > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria > > > >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Jason Gool wrote: > > > >> > Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit > >> > for a while & > >> > contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it. > >> > >> Does anyone know why Huw didn't play? > > > > I figure Dave wanted no screw-ups this time and wasn't taking any > >chances. Harsh but possibly fair. For all that Dave may have been > >draconian in setting this one up his way (and I haven't actually seen > >anyone say this), if that was the case, it worked and I for one won't > >argue. Yours, > > Jon > > > >-- > > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > ===================================================================== > > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > > > From micci at SCI.FI Sat Jan 13 12:45:10 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:45:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Hi! I totally forgot mention. Lemmy was last nigh in BBC prime channel. Program was that music thing Later with Jools Holland or something like that. He sing great balls in fire song. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Sat Jan 13 12:45:22 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:45:22 +0200 Subject: off: starfield Message-ID: Hi! >starfield is a certain captain bl at ck(who contributes to this list and also >plays EMS synths live with hawkwind) and danny faulkaner (bedouin vocalist) >top rate spacerock if you ask me. Well worth a purchase. I especially like >the track "in the trees" > >colm Thanks Colm. Where I can get this? Can someone send it to me ;-))) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Jan 13 11:54:18 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:54:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Gov't Mule, Syracuse, NY, 2000-05-28 Theo, you went to this one, right? I was going to go to the gig in Rochester later in the month, but couldn't make it. Now I REALLY regret it! Theo or Paul (or anyone else for that matter), any news on what's next for Warren and Matt? Brian > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Jan 13 12:04:14 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:04:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> >> NP: Gov't Mule, Syracuse, NY, 2000-05-28 > > Theo, you went to this one, right? I was going to go to the gig in Rochester > later in the month, but couldn't make it. Now I REALLY regret it! ^^^^^ I meant "earlier." I think it was the 12th or 15th? Brian From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 13 13:15:26 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:15:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: => I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened to for a while.... => Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg => The only problem is there are no graffix. => 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? Unless I'm mixing this up with another CD, this has no graphics. It came with a companion book. Cheers, Paul. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You are correct, sir. I remembered seeing in the Illustrated Collectors Guide. I should have taken the time to look it up again before I posted. Thanx to Bernard as well for the date and location info! Am I correct to think that this is a bootleg? What was the companion book that it came with? Is it worth seeking out? Anyone got an extra? Thanx again! Darrin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 13 13:17:47 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:17:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: OOPs! Message-ID: sorry for misspelling your name Bernhard ") Darrin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 13 13:33:13 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:33:13 +0100 Subject: AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS (Camden 16/11/88): In-Reply-To: <012d01c07d80$0c8061c0$3361883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: Hi At 16:44 13.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS (Camden 16/11/88):The Right Stuff/Death >Trap/ Damnation Alley/All Along The Watchtower/Motorway City/Living On A >Knife Edge/ Lost Chronicles/City Of Tiny Lights/Unknown(unreleased >track)/Psi Power/Shot Down In The Night/Brainstorm(encore). Ooops! My tape from this gig has STAND DOWN instead of ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER Bernhard From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 13 13:36:03 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:36:03 EST Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/01 12:52:15 PM, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: << Theo or Paul (or anyone else for that matter), any news on what's next for Warren and Matt? Brian >> BASSISTS GATHER FOR ALLEN WOODY TRIBUTE GOV'T MULE guitarist WARREN HAYNES is assembling an all-star cast of musicians to help him record a tribute album to his late bandmate, bassist ALLEN WOODY, who died in August. In addition to Gov't Mule drummer MATT ABTS, LES CLAYPOOL of PRIMUS, PHIL LESH, MIKE GORDON of PHISH, CHRIS SQUIRE of YES, ROCCO PRESTIA of TOWER OF POWER, ALPHONSO JOHNSON of the WEATHER REPORT, BOOTSY COLLINS and LARRY GRAHAM have all signed on for the project. The album is due in the fall. _____________ The above was a press release from yesterday off a blues news group. I also understand that Hot Tuna/Jefferson Airplane bassist Jack Casady has been added to the project as well. Sounded good to me. Yours, Eli From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 13 13:45:04 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:45:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Brian Halligan wrote: => >> NP: Gov't Mule, Syracuse, NY, 2000-05-28 => > => > Theo, you went to this one, right? I was going to go to the gig in Rochester => > later in the month, but couldn't make it. Now I REALLY regret it! => ^^^^^ => I meant "earlier." I think it was the 12th or 15th? (Mustering his best Bernhard impression:) There were no GOV'T MULE gigs on either 2000-05-12 or 2000-05-15. The only ROCHESTER, NY gig prior to 2000-05-28 was at the MANHATTAN SQUARE PARK, 1999-07-22. The closest ROCHESTER, NY gig after 2000-05-28 was, again, at the MANHATTAN SQUARE PARK, 2000-08-03. ;-) But, I can sympathise with the regret. Sometimes there isn't a next time. :-( Cheers, Paul. NP: Hawkwind, _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 13 13:49:37 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:49:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: <39.f392a5d.2791fa13@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Eli Friedman wrote: => BASSISTS GATHER FOR ALLEN WOODY TRIBUTE => => GOV'T MULE guitarist WARREN HAYNES is assembling an all-star cast of => musicians to help him record a tribute album to his late bandmate, bassist => ALLEN WOODY, who died in August. In addition to Gov't Mule drummer MATT ABTS, => LES CLAYPOOL of PRIMUS, PHIL LESH, MIKE GORDON of PHISH, CHRIS SQUIRE of YES, => ROCCO PRESTIA of TOWER OF POWER, ALPHONSO JOHNSON of the WEATHER REPORT, => BOOTSY COLLINS and LARRY GRAHAM have all signed on for the project. The album => is due in the fall. => _____________ => The above was a press release from yesterday off a blues news group. I also => understand that Hot Tuna/Jefferson Airplane bassist Jack Casady has been => added to the project as well. Sounded good to me. Yours, Eli Best of all, word is that these will not simply be covers of Mule tunes, but will feature new songs. Apparently, Warren has a wealth of new material stashed away. Maybe we can start a write-in campaign to have the Mule tunes from the NASCAR 2001 Playstation game added to the CD. (Unreleased except for that game.) It'd be pretty cool to have Woody play on his own tribute album... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 13 14:07:00 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Brian Halligan wrote: => Theo or Paul (or anyone else for that matter), any news on what's next for => Warren and Matt? They had the acoustic "Smile at Half Mast" tour this Autumn, just Warren and Matt. Most of the dates were opening for Ben Harper, and had been set up before Woody's death, but the whole tour was well-received. Warren will be sitting in with the Allman Brothers Band for the entire Beacon run this year, and Matt will be touring with Blue Floyd shortly. Going by all the interviews with Warren I've read lately, he is very pessimistic about continuing as a trio. He just doesn't see it as a possibility, given a trio relies so much more on chemistry between the musicians to make everything tick. Woody was really an integral part of the whole equation. The hints are towards expanding, bringing in at least a keyboard player, maybe more. In that vein, the very latest rumour is that Warren and Matt will tour this year with Dave Schools of Widespread Panic on bass (he filled in during the "One For Woody" benefit), and Page McConnell of Phish on keyboards. Apparently, Page filled in for Gregg Allman during a Beacon show one time, and actually handles the material really well. The only hassle I can see with the above tour is that all the damn Phish heads will buy up all the tickets so they can see Page, and we long-time Mule fans will be left SOL... :-( (Or is it only Trey about whom they are fanatical?) Cheers, Paul. NP: Godspeed You Black Emperor!, _Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Jan 13 14:06:52 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:06:52 GMT Subject: HW Festival Message-ID: Paul Wrote: >The Lake District is in North-West England, and is an incredibly >beautiful area. It is a National Park area, which I would have thought >would make getting planning permission for a three day festival a bit >tricky, but who knows? Maybe they can have the festival in the stone >circle near Keswick? ;-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. There is a painting of that stone circle (Castle Rigg) on the inner cover of 'Electric Teepee'. That would be a great site but it's not too far from some houses and I don't think the locals would be too happy. There must be plenty of fairly isolated spots in the Lakes. I can't wait for this one! I really hope it comes off. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jan 13 14:44:25 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:44:25 -0000 Subject: HW Festival Message-ID: I usually go there for the solstice, and they don't allow amplified music as it upsets sheep and it's only half a mile from the centre of Keswick. If anyone does ever visit the Lake District though, be sure to visit it. I think it's the most spectacular circle in the country, and I've been to all of the major circles. It's surrounded by mountains and you would never know you were so close to a town. Rich W From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Sat Jan 13 15:24:31 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:24:31 +1300 Subject: an ozrics question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> P.S. Snapper had just got the whole Ozrics back catalogue too but I believe the Ozrics got to take that with them. Does anyone know that for sure? According to the Ozrics management Snapper have the complete back catalogue from Curious Corn back and including the very fist 6 Ozrics albums that originally came out on cassette before coming out on CD on the old Ozrics Dovetail label (these first 6 came out in the 'Vitimin Enhanced' limited box set for a short time). Both 'Waterfall Cities' & 'Hidden Step' are on the new Ozrics label Stretchy Records. I was told that Ozrics get the rights to their back catalogue from Snapper at the end of 2001 but I can not verify this fact. Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz http://www.cranium-music.com From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Sat Jan 13 15:25:23 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:25:23 +1300 Subject: an ozrics question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone remember a Hawkwind cassette (another compilation) that came out on the old Castle label back in the early 80's? The last track on the cassette was cut partway through the track because the tape ran out ... bloody shonky it was. Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz http://www.cranium-music.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 19:25:21 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:55:21 +1030 Subject: HW Xmas party pix etc Message-ID: >Michael, we were INDEED in heaven!!! >Bernhard I'm so, so green with envy - but extremely happy ffor ya'll at the same time ;>) Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Re: HW Xmas party pix etc > At 15:25 13.01.2001 +1030, you wrote: > >Arin, Bernhard & all - you look like you were in Hawks heaven > > Michael, we were INDEED in heaven!!! > > Bernhard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 19:27:39 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:57:39 +1030 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Sounds like the ideal place to hold a 3 day hawkwind festival!! My flight etc will be booked the moment its official!!!! Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Festival > its in cumbria isn't it??? > > got this from ask jeeves: > > Northwest England's Lake District nestles in the Cumbrian Mountains, an area > of grassy boulder-strewn hills, cliffs and lakes. The region is ancient, its > hills rounded with centuries of erosion, and ancient Norse words like fells > are still used to describe the hilly terrain. The scenic beauty of the > region has attracted many tourists since the mid-eighteenth century, and > provided inspiration for a generation of poets including Wordsworth, Ruskin, > Shelley, Tennyson, and others who came to be known as the Lake Poets. > > hope that helps > > cheers > > colm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Pospiech > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 13 January 2001 11:36 > Subject: Re: Festival > > > >At 08:18 13.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >>Yes > >>Yes > >>Yes > >> > >>Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. > > > > > >WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? > >Details please! > > > >Bernhard > > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 19:28:27 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:58:27 +1030 Subject: Festival Message-ID: > Thanks for the info about the LAKE DISTRICT Ditto Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Festival > Hi folks > > Thanks for the info about the LAKE DISTRICT > > > Bernhard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 13 19:36:38 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:06:38 +1030 Subject: HW: Astoria Message-ID: Fully agree John - I hope that didn't stop him tho - A brilliant guitar player - If the festival goes nahead I hope he plays there!!! Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria > I fear our comments on the list here may have had something to do with Huw > not playing with HW at the Astoria. I'm sure he was just having an off > night at the Hawkestra gig, because he's really an amazing guitar player, > and his most recent stuff shows as much. He hasn't lost a bit of skill over > the years. > John Majka > > > i think your assuming quite a bit there, maybe huw didn't want to play as > he > > might of heard some of the negative feedback of this mailing list? > > > > anyway huw played a blinder during his solo set > > > > colm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Jarrett > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 13 January 2001 15:53 > > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria > > > > > > >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Jason Gool wrote: > > > > > >> > Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit > > >> > for a while & > > >> > contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it. > > >> > > >> Does anyone know why Huw didn't play? > > > > > > I figure Dave wanted no screw-ups this time and wasn't taking any > > >chances. Harsh but possibly fair. For all that Dave may have been > > >draconian in setting this one up his way (and I haven't actually seen > > >anyone say this), if that was the case, it worked and I for one won't > > >argue. Yours, > > > Jon > > > > > >-- > > > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > > ===================================================================== > > > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > > > > > > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Sat Jan 13 13:07:10 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:07:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul clarified with tongue firmly in cheek: > (Mustering his best Bernhard impression:) There were no GOV'T MULE gigs > on either 2000-05-12 or 2000-05-15. The only ROCHESTER, NY gig prior to > 2000-05-28 was at the MANHATTAN SQUARE PARK, 1999-07-22. The closest > ROCHESTER, NY gig after 2000-05-28 was, again, at the MANHATTAN SQUARE > PARK, 2000-08-03. Hmmm...I also seem to remember seeing BOC in'73, two years before I was born. What a gig that was! ;-) It was the August show I missed then. I saw the '99 show (part of a free summer concert series), and even took some long-distance snap shots. Unfortunately, my camera only had a 2x zoom lens built in.... Manhattan Square Park is right in the middle of downtown Rochester. There were a lot of people from the nearby apartment complexes that came down to see the band throughout the show, and they all seemed to really get into it. That was almost as exciting to see as the band itself. Brian From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 13 20:23:09 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:23:09 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Floyd fanzine back issues trade for HW CD Message-ID: Hi folks - I have EX condition copies of the following issues of the Amazing Pudding, will trade the lot for any of these HW CDs (or all if you're feeling generous :) Space Ritual Vol 2 BBC In Concert 73 Text of Festival Thrilling HW Adventures (Live 76) Live in Space (95) 1999 Party (live 74) Issues: 33 - Wembley 88 gig review / Waters interview / Over the Wall doc / Wish You Were Here 35 - Interview w Barrett's brother-in-law / 1970 interview / Daevid Allen 36 - Animals articles & reviews 37 - Belgium 89 review / PF Story 7 / Poll results 38 - Delicate Sound / Wall rehearsals / PF in Moscow 40 - Cameron Watson / A-B of A-Z / Orchestral Floyd / Barrett fanzines 41 - C-E section of A-Z / Gilmour 89 interview / PF Story part 8 (Wall) / 42 - Knebworth 90 / Barrett 70s articles / F-G section of A-Z / Venice 89 43 - H-I section of PF songs A-Z / Wall in Berlin / Stuart Elliot / K Bush / Bootlegs 44 - Wall 1990 / J-M section of A-Z / Knebworth 90 45 46 47 - Roy Harper / O of A-Z / Bootlegs / PF visit EMI 48 - Waters 1970 / Poll results / P-R / Bootlegs 49 - Lennon & Waters / R-S / Bootlegs 50 - Bootlegs / Clive Welham / Pete Frame PF tree / S of A-Z 51 - S of A-Z / Bootlegs / More & Obscured 52 - Circus 75 / Bootlegs / S-V 53 54 - Archive film / Sam Brown / Russia / Bootlegs 55 - Wall special From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 13 20:35:11 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:35:11 -0500 Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? Message-ID: Yes, you are so right - this is the best Right Stuff ever! Brock on (amazing) vocals, wearing shades. It wasn't an empty studio though, there was an audience for HW anyway, who were going mad for it. From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Jan 13 23:04:54 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:04:54 -0600 Subject: Sweet Smoke Festival Holland 96 Message-ID: I received a tape of this show (pretty cool!) and I've transferred it to cdr, but I'm wondering about the date. My tape says "9/7/96" so I'm not sure if that's Sept 7 1996 or possibly July 9 1996. Anybody got the exact date? Those numbered dates are always so confusing unless you've got a few of them (so that chance are at least one of the numbers is greater than 12....) The show is decent, about 70 minutes in all. The band is having technical equipment problems especially on the last song "Assassins of Allah" where it sounds like the amp is cutting out. But still a good show with Ron Tree having a large part of the spotlight. Thanks for any help, Bryan Young Saskatchewan, Canada From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Jan 14 00:54:25 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:54:25 EST Subject: OFF: Jimi Hendrix query Message-ID: anybody out there know anything about the multi-cd box that came out recently on MCA? Tons of previously unreleased stuff; but is it bottom of the barrel junk/demos/ex-boots/etc? or bona fide hendrix tracks unearthed and dusted of by the family? a decent career retrospective, with a good representation of his career, or slapdash hodge-podge of oddities and sub-standard junk? what say you, friends? thanks NP: zz top/tejas wishbone ash/there's the rub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jan 14 03:22:39 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:22:39 EST Subject: OFF: Jimi Hendrix, INC: "scuze me, while i cash this check" -_- Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/01 12:55:37 AM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << anybody out there know anything about the multi-cd box that came out recently on MCA? Tons of previously unreleased stuff; but is it bottom of the barrel junk/demos/ex-boots/etc? or bona fide hendrix tracks unearthed and dusted of by the family? a decent career retrospective, with a good representation of his career, or slapdash hodge-podge of oddities and sub-standard junk? what say you, friends? ==== umm... hendrix's dad won back the rights, finally, and then came his lawyers n' advisors, to MARKET his son...and jerk him around. and this is why we had 'jimi hendrix golf gear' and a recording label which has already gone under? [no, not MCA] and a slick-paged magazine which did the same? and that toyota commercial utilizing the song 'freedom', from the not-quite-finished-at the-time-of-hendrix's-death collexion? the lawyers n' advisors and the hendrix incorporated MARKETING TEAM were very pleased. i dont know exactly vass is within the boxed set, but despite what had been alleged early on, about 'piles of unheard tapes', last i knew , nothing absolutely/previously unheard had appeared. there might be some cleaned up/remastered material of the sort which had been circulating on boots and in tape collexions, [like mine].... but depending how deep those w/any interest have already dug, my conjecture would be "no great surprises". i'd be happy to stand corrected, but having 60 some-odd hendrix cassettes.... the boxed set sounds like a lot of stuff had been rounded up into one place; in that respect it might be great. we can hope. and that hendrix's father and relations are now the ones who 'have the rights', [however that's being defined in this case], that's great too. but that fact that they have dealt with some [pardon me] enterprising suck-ass marketing team who decided that what the world needs now is JIMI HENDRIX GOLF GEAR is another matter entirely, IMHO. = "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Jan 14 03:24:55 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:24:55 +0100 Subject: Sweet Smoke Festival Holland 96 In-Reply-To: <000501c07ddf$280ea000$eb73a58e@pavilion> Message-ID: Hi Bryan At 22:04 13.01.2001 -0600, you wrote: >I received a tape of this show (pretty cool!) and I've transferred it to >cdr, but I'm wondering about the date. My tape says "9/7/96" so I'm not >sure if that's Sept 7 1996 or possibly July 9 1996. 07 September 1996 is the exact date! Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 14 05:38:58 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:38:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Jimi Hendrix, INC: "scuze me, while i cash this check" -_- In-Reply-To: <11.e6cc908.2792bbcf@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <11.e6cc908.2792bbcf at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >JIMI >HENDRIX GOLF GEAR is another matter entirely, IMHO. Ah, that's what he meant when he said "80 miles an hour, baby, is the speed I drive!" Fore! -- Jon From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Jan 14 06:18:43 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:18:43 +0100 Subject: HW: March 1978 HW gig review Message-ID: Hi folks Found this gig review from Peter Holley To be found on: http://www.teche.net/personal/pholley/hawkwind.htm It is written in Belleville, IL on March 14, '78 - Calvert, Brock, Simon King, Adrian Shaw. The show was at Ricco's Lounge, a small bar with a small stage . . . Band members collected on stage tweaking guitar strings and twisting knobs on mystical black boxes . . . as the excitement builds with a soaring synthy sliding across the airwaves, beer bottles banging with the gathering of fans calling for the last of the band to come out; a "violin" begins to string a long-forgotten desert tune, and Calvert eases in to view wearing a turban and waving a sword as Hawkwind explodes headfirst into Hasan I Sabah. We were dead and buried on the spot. Brainstorm soon entered like a train without brakes, and we never were the same. Can you believe they did Steppenwolf from Astounding Sounds? And in the middle of this extended version we found out its true, our lives were recorded on a microdot elevating on that high-speed lift we call Hawkwind. MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE HOTEL Calvert made a brief appearance in the halls of the local HoJo before our heading to Ricco?s that night. Lord, what do you say to Calvert? So, I whipped out my copy of Captain Lockheed and had him sign it. It reads, "Robot Calvert." PXR5 was not yet released, friends, but as you probably noticed already ? Robot and High Rise were two of the tunes we heard that night! We had a nice chat with Brock back at the hotel after the show, all the while dreaming with the genie in the smoke. King was a bit busy and appeared to be hustling skirt up and down the hallway with little time to talk with us guys, whilst Calvert was up to unknown preparations of his own after the show. It was a brilliant adventure with three guys in a car, meeting a dozen mates at the St. Louis train station, then hustling across the river to Belleville. There is probably a distortion in detail ? after 20 years, what can I say but I?m subject to the mutation zone as well. At the end of it all, the three of us got in the Bobcat about one or two a.m. and headed back to Baton Rouge, LA. I doubt the tires ever touched the ground. I also suspect Liquid Len and the Lensmen had fiddled with my windscreen while we were at the show. Those damned streetlights were looking very funny for much of that ride home. Lee and Colby, where are you? FOOTNOTE Simon House was not on the road with Hawkwind at this time, having signed up on tour with David Bowie. We had a chance to see Bowie not long after the Hawks, with Rick and Lee taking a bed sheet and painting HAWKWIND in giant red letters on it. These guys went to the show and paraded around the mid-level walkway at LSU's Assembly Center while the show was going on. You should have seen Bowie looking bummed and House blushing and giving us a grin - 'cause you simply couldn't ignore it or miss it. Naturally, most of the audience had no clue, they came to see Bowie; but a few of us along with Simon really knew the score :)-~ From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 14 12:09:47 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:09:47 +0100 Subject: HW: I'm just very wasted and..... Message-ID: ....would like to say that my favorite HW moment on CD has to be the track "You'd Better Beleive It" off "Hall of The Mountain Grill". That be next to "Web Weaver" (actually, if its the remaster, the entire CD), all of "PXR5", bits off "Sonic Attack" and the entire Reading 86 set. In no particular order. And in the poll of favorite HW moments I also forgot to mention the Sonic Assassins '77 EP cover art. Chr. ObCD: Cathedral - Carnival Beyond Redemtion From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 14 12:39:13 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:39:13 +0100 Subject: Scenes of Black Sorcery Message-ID: Has been updated at: http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/tubrok.html Chr. ObTrack: Thy Repentance "Moon Roots of War" From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jan 14 13:00:41 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawwk album Message-ID: I've got a spare vinyl copy of this album if you are interested. And I discover (it's amazing what you find when you do some tidying up!) I've got a spare vinyl copy of the Alien 4 album as well, if anyone is still in search of this. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Space+Rock (I think....) > In message , Tigger > writes > > >>"Hawkwind released the album Night of the Hawk with the song > >>"Starflight". " > >> > >>No comment required! > > > >? The album was released, with that track on it. > >http://www.adawson.clara.net//night-of.html > > Goodness gracious me. Just when I thought I'd got a handle on all the shady > HW compilations, up pops another one I've never heard of. Well, I was > wrong. Wonder why the author chose to mention that one specifically? > There are so many space-related HW titles that could have been chosen. > > -- > Nick Medford > From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 14 13:09:32 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:09:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Electric Library Message-ID: Also visit: http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/ Remember to check out the HW section... Chr. ObCD: Faith No More "Angel Dust" From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 14 14:03:10 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:03:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawwk album In-Reply-To: <00ec01c07e54$0f44e5a0$d43e883e@jds> Message-ID: In message <00ec01c07e54$0f44e5a0$d43e883e at jds>, Jill Strobridge writes >I've got a spare vinyl copy of this album if you are interested. Well I assume there's nothing new or unreleased on it, in which case: thanks, but not for me. The web page says 'compilation of previously released Flicknife tracks' so I guess not. Thanks anyway. -- Nick Medford From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 14 14:31:01 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:31:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Agents of Chaos Message-ID: Anyone have live tapes for trade? Seeing the name makes me interested, only having the tracks on TAT. Chr. ObCD: Cro-Mags - Age of Quarrel From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 14 19:46:39 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:46:39 +0000 Subject: HW: SpaceBrock review Message-ID: Well I guess quite a few people have this album now, but I've seen little in the way of comment, so here goes: Is it the greatest album HW have released since 'Quark'? Er, no. But is it a good album and a worthy addition to an HW collection? Yes. First point to note is that this really is a Brock solo despite what it says on the cover: the only other Hawk to appear is Richard and he's only on 3 tracks. Even 'CoH' had more involvement from other band members than this. A few other names are credited with contributions, but these include 'Dr Technical' and 'Hawkman' and one suspects these are Mr Brock's alter egoes rather than separate entities. Could be wrong though. So what do you get for your moolah? Well you get seventeen tracks, yes seventeen ladeez and gents, plus a rather attractive CD booklet- really quite impressive. The first thing the Hawkfan will notice about the tracklist is that some of the titles are familiar: yup, there are some *remakes* here. Now I go along with the consensus that says there's nothing wrong with a remake if it adds something to the original or reworks it in an interesting way. Only partial success on that score here: the CD kicks off with an electronically-enhanced version of 'Life Form' which makes a cracking opening track (always thought it was random filler on PXR5) , but then we get 'Assassination' (aka 'Some People Never Die'), a (slightly) reworked version of the 'Church of Hawkwind' track- now I loved the original but I can't see the point of this. Meanwhile 'First Landing On Medusa' makes another appearance and as far as I can tell is identical to the version on 'In Your Area'... c'mon, the exact same track on two successive albums? What are we meant to think of that? Happily the track called 'Earth Calling' turns out to be a completely new song, and would be a latterday HW classic if was a bit *longer*. But once the whole band get hold of this it should be a scorcher. What else? Well anyone who was at the Astoria will have heard the primal space riffage of the title track- excellent. There's a beautifully done electro piece called 'Dreamers', and a great multi-layered guitar and synth workout, 'You Burn Me Up'. There are also two trance-techno numbers- 'Sex Dreams', which I find a bit throwaway, and 'Do You Want This Body', which is brilliant- one of the most addictive beats you'll ever hear. Either of these could be a club hit, and given their eye-catching titles may I suggest they be released as a double A-side or similar and who knows we might get to see the Hawks back on TOTP!! There's a great sample at the start of 'Do You Want This Body' with a man desperately trying to communicate his vision.. it sounds absolutely right for our Dave- sounds like it must be from a movie- anyone know? Most of this album is instrumental, while the tracks with vocals tend to have a few lines repeated as a refrain. This works perfectly well but one can't help wondering if there is ongoing writer's block in the lyric department. There's even a track which is credited to Brock/Shakespeare due to its use of the famous "to be or not to be" soliloquy: now you can't get a better lyricist than Big Bill but some original words *would* be nice, even if they're not quite up to the Bard's standard! Final point is that I do find much of the filler forgivable when the album is played straight through, as it sounds like a suite of electronic space music and actually hangs together remarkably well as a whole. I suspect this album is intended as a showcase of a particular side of Brock/Hawkwind's music so let's hope new fans will be won over by it. But if this is the aim, then get the techno stuff out on single NOW! With 12" remixes, sexy cover art and a lotta lotta hype! -- Nick Medford From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 14 20:12:09 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:12:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule Message-ID: In that vein, the very latest rumor is that Warren and Matt will tour this year with Dave Schools of Widespread Panic on bass (he filled in during the "One For Woody" benefit), and Page McConnell of Phish on keyboards. Apparently, Page filled in for Gregg Allman during a Beacon show one time, and actually handles the material really well. The only hassle I can see with the above tour is that all the damn Phish heads will buy up all the tickets so they can see Page, and we long-time Mule fans will be left SOL... :-( (Or is it only Trey about whom they are fanatical?) Cheers, Paul. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Careful w/ That Axe Eugene! There are Hawkfans out here that are Phisheads too. Believe it or not! Yes, we Phisheads can be like Deadheads when it comes to tickets. BTW, I am a Deadhead too. But you know as well as I do that if something like this did happen, you would have just as much of a chance to get tix to the show(s) as any Phishead. The event would certainly be listed on the MULE website. It does not matter what band you like. If you want to go to a show bad enough, you will take the needed measures to make it happen. The past 2 Hawkwind events are a case in point. Therefore, your statement is LAME! And there is no need to slam fans of a certain style of music or a certain band, just because you may not like it. Actually, it's rather interesting. Fans of Phish and other jambands don't always go for bands like the MULE and another high octane band from New York called moe. Seems as these 2 bands are a little too aggressive and heavy for some folks that are into the hippie thang. moe. actually goes well into the realms of Spacerock. For Halloween they performed a perfect version of Dark Side Of The Moon, while showing "The Wizard Of Oz" on giant screens. At the same show they performed a 39:33 minute version of their song MEAT! Take Djam Karet, get rid of the keyboards and give them another great guitarist and the spacey quality of the Spacious Mind w/ the energy of "Mind Of A Brother" and a strong penchant for improvisational jamming and the humor of Frank Zappa and you will start to understand the moe. sound. Of course, they play San Berdino on occasion, as well ") I have seen them perform "Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun" and "Interstellar Overdrive". Many of their own songs go deep into the realms of space. Their percussionist is actually a multi-instrumentalist that will play flute when they go off into these awesome spacejams. I think many members here would enjoy them. Every now and then they will play "Godzilla" or "Don't Fear The Reaper" as encores, so there's something there for the BOC fan too. Most of us like this heavy schtuff! It's kinda cool to see some discussion about the MULE here. And I would just like to pass along what I know.... The rumor about Dave Schools is just that: a rumor. Warren and Matt opened for Phil and Friends for New Years and Mike Gordon of Phish sat in on bass and then jammed w/ Phil later on. They played some MULE along w/ Soulshine. Warren is filling the void w/ ABB for the Beacon run in March because Jimmy Herring is sticking w/ Phil, who is playing shows in Frisco and Denver. Dave Schools sat in w/ Warren Matt and Friends at the "One For Woody" show on 9/21/00 at Roseland Ballroom in NYC, but so far that's the only time. Dave is working on staying clean, playing better than ever and the Panic is taking some time for their upcoming release. They actually have all the tracks done and put them on disc to shop for a record label. Someone in the band let this multi-track studio recording out and there are a few that already have it. One of my friends has it. I have heard it and it's great, but he won't let me burn a copy. It features alot of the new tunes that they have been playing live like, Little Lilly, Imitation Leather Shoes, Casa and more. WSP can get as heavy or heavier than the MULE. For instance, to open their Halloween Run in New Orleans they opened w/ a kickass version of Sweet Leaf! Word is they have signed w/ the "Sanctuary" label in Europe. Can anyone tell me if this label has anything to do w/ Iron Maiden? Like I said the Panic kicks ass! I could see them on the same label as Iron Maiden. It's more likely that if a tour or even some shows were to take place that Mike Gordon would get the nod, since Phish is taking some time off. Also, on 12/6/00 Warren, Page and Mickey Raphael- the harmonica player for Willie Nelson and Neil Young, to name a few, performed a one-off show at Irving Plaza in NYC. This was a very small and intimate benefit show for for about 200 people to celebrate the release of "When the Iron Bird Flies" a photo chronicle of the Tibetan Freedom Concerts from '96-'99. All money went to the Milarepa Fund a non-profit organization co-founded by Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys. This was a short, but very soulful show. They performed: Back At The Chicken Shack/Further On Up The Road, I've Been Loving You Too Long, Who's Been Talkin', She Said, She Said, One (by U2) and Little Wing. Warren handles all the vocals. I don't think that there will be another Government Mule. Woody was just to integral a part of that band to ever be replaced. He was a great fellow. I had the opportunity to meet him when he sat in w/ Colonel Bruce and the Aquarium Rescue Unit back in '94 in Gainesville. You could not have asked for a nicer guy. It's a great loss to the music world. I have some very crisp MULE shows on disc, including the "One For Woody" show (5 discs) as well as the above mentioned benefit show (one disc). I also have lots of moe. and Widespread Panic on discs too. If anybody wants to trade high quality schtuff, just Let me know. Peace, Darrin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 14 20:53:17 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:23:17 +1030 Subject: HW: SpaceBrock review Message-ID: Also some comments at electric tepee http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/hawkwind_album_page_11.htm Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: HW: SpaceBrock review > Well I guess quite a few people have this album now, but I've seen little in > the way of comment, so here goes: > > Is it the greatest album HW have released since 'Quark'? Er, no. > > But is it a good album and a worthy addition to an HW collection? Yes. > > First point to note is that this really is a Brock solo despite what it says on > the cover: the only other Hawk to appear is Richard and he's only on 3 > tracks. Even 'CoH' had more involvement from other band members than > this. A few other names are credited with contributions, but these include > 'Dr Technical' and 'Hawkman' and one suspects these are Mr Brock's alter > egoes rather than separate entities. Could be wrong though. > > So what do you get for your moolah? Well you get seventeen tracks, yes > seventeen ladeez and gents, plus a rather attractive CD booklet- really quite > impressive. The first thing the Hawkfan will notice about the tracklist is > that some of the titles are familiar: yup, there are some *remakes* here. > Now I go along with the consensus that says there's nothing wrong with a > remake if it adds something to the original or reworks it in an interesting > way. Only partial success on that score here: the CD kicks off with an > electronically-enhanced version of 'Life Form' which makes a cracking > opening track (always thought it was random filler on PXR5) , but then we > get 'Assassination' (aka 'Some People Never Die'), a (slightly) reworked > version of the 'Church of Hawkwind' track- now I loved the original but I > can't see the point of this. Meanwhile 'First Landing On Medusa' makes > another appearance and as far as I can tell is identical to the version on 'In > Your Area'... c'mon, the exact same track on two successive albums? What > are we meant to think of that? > > Happily the track called 'Earth Calling' turns out to be a completely new > song, and would be a latterday HW classic if was a bit *longer*. But once > the whole band get hold of this it should be a scorcher. > > What else? Well anyone who was at the Astoria will have heard the primal > space riffage of the title track- excellent. There's a beautifully done electro > piece called 'Dreamers', and a great multi-layered guitar and synth workout, > 'You Burn Me Up'. There are also two trance-techno numbers- 'Sex Dreams', > which I find a bit throwaway, and 'Do You Want This Body', which is > brilliant- one of the most addictive beats you'll ever hear. Either of these > could be a club hit, and given their eye-catching titles may I suggest they be > released as a double A-side or similar and who knows we might get to see > the Hawks back on TOTP!! There's a great sample at the start of 'Do You > Want This Body' with a man desperately trying to communicate his vision.. > it sounds absolutely right for our Dave- sounds like it must be from a movie- > anyone know? > > Most of this album is instrumental, while the tracks with vocals tend to > have a few lines repeated as a refrain. This works perfectly well but one > can't help wondering if there is ongoing writer's block in the lyric > department. There's even a track which is credited to Brock/Shakespeare due > to its use of the famous "to be or not to be" soliloquy: now you can't get a > better lyricist than Big Bill but some original words *would* be nice, even if > they're not quite up to the Bard's standard! > > Final point is that I do find much of the filler forgivable when the album is > played straight through, as it sounds like a suite of electronic space music > and actually hangs together remarkably well as a whole. > > I suspect this album is intended as a showcase of a particular side of > Brock/Hawkwind's music so let's hope new fans will be won over by it. But if > this is the aim, then get the techno stuff out on single NOW! With 12" > remixes, sexy cover art and a lotta lotta hype! > -- > Nick Medford From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Jan 14 22:52:47 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:52:47 -0600 Subject: HW: music and books? Message-ID: Hey folks, Anyone have any good paired book/album combinations? Occasionally, when I'm lucky, I discover that a given album makes fantastic paired listening while reading a given book (Tangerine Dream's Logos and Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood, for instance.) Anyone out there do anythin similar to Hawkwind tunes? What song and/or album match up to what book for you? (for my part, I've yet to find a good book that HW will match, partly because many HW lyrics are highly evocative of given science fiction imagery in their own right, and therefore doesn't mesh well with other SF books. ...but I'm looking for suggestions.) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Jan 14 23:16:17 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:16:17 -0500 Subject: music and books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have very evocative memories from my senior year in HS reading the second book of the Lord of the rings (out of 6 books remember) and listening to the Year of the Cat album by Al Stewart. I recently re acquired the Pentateuch of the Cosmogony by Dave Greenslade on eBay and pulled out my battered copies of Zeazny's Princes in Amber series. I remembered listening to that album(s) reading the first novel before and successfully recreated that "atmosphere". As for Hawkwind.. I actually put on Live Chronicle when I last restarted the Elric Books.... Clich? but I thought I would try it. It definitely was a soundtrack for the first book. :) I know this is the opposite of where you were going here Arin but I find that Hawkwind works really well when I do my bike and rower during my workout. Dull I know.. but during my endorphin rush the rock really gets me in a good rhythm and the "space" sets my mind free to float.... Ok maybe TMI there but its late and I am tired. :-) Mike H. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Arin Komins > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:53 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: music and books? > > > Hey folks, > > Anyone have any good paired book/album combinations? > > Occasionally, when I'm lucky, I discover that a given album > makes fantastic paired listening while reading a given book > (Tangerine Dream's Logos and Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood, > for instance.) > > Anyone out there do anythin similar to Hawkwind tunes? > What song and/or album match up to what book for you? > > (for my part, I've yet to find a good book that HW will match, > partly because many HW lyrics are highly evocative of given science > fiction imagery in their own right, and therefore doesn't mesh well > with other SF books. ...but I'm looking for suggestions.) > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Jan 14 23:41:39 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:41:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: => There are Hawkfans out here that are Phisheads too. So? Hawkfans are fans of all kinds of bands and music. => Yes, we Phisheads can be like Deadheads when it comes to tickets. BTW, I am => a Deadhead too. But you know as well as I do that if something like this did => happen, you would have just as much of a chance to get tix to the show(s) as => any Phishead. The event would certainly be listed on the MULE website. => => It does not matter what band you like. If you want to go to a show bad => enough, you will take the needed measures to make it happen. The past 2 => Hawkwind events are a case in point. => => Therefore, your statement is LAME! My statement is just a simple statement of economics and pragmatics. Once a show becomes a "hot ticket," the availability decreases (as ticket agencies and scalpers snap them up), and prices increase (promoters know they can get more due to increased demand; also witness higher scalper prices). So, Page's (potential) involvement means more hassle for me, and other Mule fans (who are in a definite minority compared to the larger number of Phish fans). Some in the real world are on fixed incomes and have certain financial responsibilities, so an increase in ticket prices can mean not being able to attend a show. I agree that espousing simple concepts can be viewed as "LAME," so I apologise. I would be just as peeved if Trey sat in with Hawkwind. => And there is no need to slam fans of a certain style of music or a certain => band, just because you may not like it. Equally, there is no need to accuse people of not liking a certain style of music or a certain band, when you have absolutely ZERO knowledge of that person to back up such an unsubstantiated claim. (Who was slamming bands or musical styles, anyway?) => members here would enjoy them. Every now and then they will play "Godzilla" => or "Don't Fear The Reaper" as encores, so there's something there for the => BOC fan too. They kicked off their 1998 Halloween show with "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," too. => Most of us like this heavy schtuff! Although I like moe., and their jams are more guitar-heavy, I don't really think of them as very heavy at all. In fact, Phish, and that ilk always spring to mind when I listen to moe. IMHO, it is stretching it some to consider them "spacey," too. => more. WSP can get as heavy or heavier than the MULE. For instance, to open => their Halloween Run in New Orleans they opened w/ a kickass version of Sweet => Leaf! I have to disagree with this last example completely. I hunted out that show explicitly because someone touted the "Sweet Leaf" opener, and I was totally disappointed. It was so lightweight! Maybe it was the way they tried to carry the main riff on the keyboard (it's a crime to murder a song like that), but "kickass" did not spring to mind at all when listening to it. => Like I said the Panic kicks ass! I could see them on the same label as Iron => Maiden. I'm afraid I couldn't. Unless WSP have changed direction radically in the last few days, they could by no stretch of the imagination be considered a heavy metal band. That is yer basic Iron Maiden. => I have some very crisp MULE shows on disc, including the "One For Woody" => show (5 discs) as well as the above mentioned benefit show (one disc). I => also have lots of moe. and Widespread Panic on discs too. Do you have the Halloween '98 moe. show? I only have that on cassette, and would like to get a CD-R copy. "Smokin'" Joe Bonomasso(sp?) guests with them during the gig. Now talk about hot guitar! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 15 03:56:35 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, once I would have counted myself as a Phish phan, but I kinda lost touch with the band once the shows got so huge that it was just a pain to go to them (and that happened well before Jerry Garcia died!). So perhaps I lose my status as a proper Phish phan by modern standards ;) I'd be well arsed off if ExMule shows were suddenly invaded by a zillion people shouting for "Bouncing Around the Room" (or whatever is hot now) though! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 15 03:56:42 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <005201c07dc2$0f3da700$a2cb223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: >> I fear our comments on the list here may have had something to do with Huw >> not playing with HW at the Astoria. I'm sure he was just having an off >> night at the Hawkestra gig, I don't think it required observation of external commentary on BOC-L for anyone to have noticed how bad Huw's playing at Hawkestra was. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jan 15 04:51:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:51:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Marc Bolan AVI or MPG Message-ID: Still working on building my own personal HW DVD... 8-) Is there anyone out there who has a good quality version of the Marc Bolan video clip AND has the facility to capture it to an AVI or MPG file? My own version is appallingly jumpy, probably because it's a copy of a copy of a copy etc. I really am a sad so and so - I'm even going to try putting a sequence of the early 70s film footage without sound (lousy quality images as well) to some remastered Space Ritual.... All good clean fun! Steve From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jan 15 05:00:33 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:00:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts / Spider (UK - not US) / Engine Message-ID: Does anyone have anything by any of these three bands in MP3 format? All mine's on vinyl, and I want to up some of it to our in-house web radio station. (Esp: Box Hill or Bust / Just For Kicks / Hot Lover / Talkin' 'bout Rock 'n' Roll / The More I Drink) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 07:16:32 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:16:32 GMT Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:32:10 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 08:18 13.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Yes > >Yes > >Yes > > > >Specially Since I live half an hour from the lake district. > > > WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? > Details please! South of the Scotland/England border. Very nice country. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 07:23:06 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:23:06 GMT Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > The Lake District is in North-West England, and is an incredibly > beautiful area. It is a National Park area, which I would have thought > would make getting planning permission for a three day festival a bit > tricky, but who knows? Maybe they can have the festival in the stone > circle near Keswick? ;-) If they have planning troubles there then they should try the Borders area just a bit north. With the textile industry in mass decline and sheep going for less than a packet of crisps, there's not much money coming into the area apart from visitors and tourists. In short, finding a farmer to rent out a field wouldn't be hard and local councils are likely to be friendlier than most where visitors to the area are concerned. A lot of the countryside is also just as nice as the Lake District. FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jan 15 07:25:59 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:25:59 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: > > WHERE IST THE LAKE DISTRICT ???????????????????????? > > Details please! > > South of the Scotland/England border. Very nice country. > > FoFP Take wet weather gear. :-) R. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 07:26:45 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:26:45 GMT Subject: HW: Live In Space 1990 In-Reply-To: Darrin McKeehen's message of Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: Darrin McKeehen writes: > On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > > => I was just digging through my Hawkdiscs and found one I have not listened > to for a while.... > > => Live In Space 1990 - Italian bootleg > > => The only problem is there are no graffix. > > => 2) Could some kind soul scan the graffix and email them to me? > > Unless I'm mixing this up with another CD, this has no graphics. It came > with a companion book. The Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 15 07:35:05 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:35:05 GMT Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawwk album In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > I've got a spare vinyl copy of this album if you are interested. Note that there were two versions of this LP. The Australian LP also contained the two extra tracks "Flight to Maputo" and "Cajun Jinx" which were on the CD. FoFP From iainferguson at CS.COM Mon Jan 15 07:37:41 2001 From: iainferguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:37:41 +0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Ahh but the Sun always shines when Hawkind play outdoors, or at least in my heart It will be truely great to see them outdoors again... There is and has never been anything better than seeing The Wind play outdoors... "Take wet weather gear". Regards iain PS PXR5 rules. PPS the weirdest hawkind collectors Item I have is a 9BOB ?5 note handed out in the early 80's. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Jan 15 07:27:17 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:27:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Wrote: > Do you have the Halloween '98 moe. show? I only have that on cassette, > and would like to get a CD-R copy. "Smokin'" Joe Bonomasso(sp?) guests > with them during the gig. Now talk about hot guitar! I haven't heard this, but a few of us on the list got to see Joe Bonomassa guest with BOC for the encore in New Hartford, NY, outside of Utica, his hometown. He played "Slow Down" on Allen's guitar and traded some amazing licks with Buck. Joe's solo gigs are pretty impressive as well. He has a new album out on a major label, but I haven't heard it yet. Brian > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 15 12:44:25 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:44:25 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) Rich W From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jan 15 14:07:25 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:07:25 +0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Rich Warren wrote: > Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) Trivial fact: There's only one lake in the lake district - Bassenthwaite Lake (the rest are Waters, Meres or Tarns) Keef From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 15 14:06:18 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:06:18 -0000 Subject: an ozrics question Message-ID: I suppose you mean the fact that they are owed money by the label but other than that, not quite sure what you mean there. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- > what was the acute disagreement with the label? > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Jarrett > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 13 January 2001 15:52 > Subject: Re: an ozrics question > > > >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > >> Between what you and Richard mentioned, the bottom line on the 'Spice > Doubt' > >> CD is that, techically, it is rare. We would love to get hold of a box > full > >> at CDS. > >> Basically what happened was that it came out very suddenly, with no > >> pre-promotion and as a limited edition. Because it was a one-off deal > >> between the label and the band, with proceeds being shared, the > distributor > >> was not the normal one and most outlets failed to From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 15 14:22:30 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:22:30 -0000 Subject: off: starfield Message-ID: CD Services has it Mikka, if yuo want a copy sending with yuor other studff that's not gone out yet - let me know. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miikka Wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: off: starfield > Hi! > > >starfield is a certain captain bl at ck(who contributes to this list and also > >plays EMS synths live with hawkwind) and danny faulkaner (bedouin vocalist) > >top rate spacerock if you ask me. Well worth a purchase. I especially like > >the track "in the trees" > > > >colm > > Thanks Colm. Where I can get this? Can someone send it to me ;-))) > > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 15 14:38:42 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:38:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: Sadly this is one of those cases where I am unable to tell the full story, as it stands, behind this CD as it will incriminate far too many people - all I can say is be glad you have it, even if you don't have all of it - oh, and it is the 'Bass Ritual' album for which I reviewed the FULL version ages back in one of the old CD Services catalogues, OK. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bottomley" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project > >So what is this item exactly? Tape? CDR? > > > >FoFP > > > It's a CD (not CD-R) with (as Arin said) no details other than track listing > on the reverse of the silvery, single-sided insert (double-headed hawk logo > on the front) & a thanks to one Trevor Long. And it has a catalogue number > (WARLORD777CD). Andy G has this item (well, one with the same track listing > and his descriptions match the music on my CD, so it must be the same item) > as "Bass Ritual - The Remixes" in the most recent CDS psychedelic/space rock > supplement (7). Whether it's the same cover or not, I don't know. I picked > my copy up from the Voiceprint stall at Brixton. I assumed that they > (Voiceprint? Hawkwind?) had planned to give it a full release under the Bass > Ritual name, but for whatever reason changed their mind and gave us this > (limited?) version in place. Just guesswork. Andy G? Any idea what the story > is? > > BTW, it's well worth getting hold of. Better (or at least less variable) > than Future Reconstructions. > > Dave From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 15 14:25:28 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:25:28 -0500 Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: <3A634A6D.B497CF7E@cinesite.co.uk>; from keithb@CINESITE.CO.UK on Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 07:07:25PM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 07:07:25PM +0000, Keith Barton wrote: > Trivial fact: There's only one lake in the lake district - Bassenthwaite > Lake (the rest are Waters, Meres or Tarns) So why isn't it the Water District, then? (I can see why the locals might object to Mere District :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 15 18:01:51 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:31:51 +1030 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawwk album Message-ID: > Note that there were two versions of this LP. The Australian LP also > contained the two extra tracks "Flight to Maputo" and "Cajun Jinx" which > were on the CD. I've got that CD but it only has Cajun Jinx - no Flight To Maputo My wife found it somewhere and brought it home to me - schweetie Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawwk album > Jill Strobridge writes: > > > I've got a spare vinyl copy of this album if you are interested. > > Note that there were two versions of this LP. The Australian LP also > contained the two extra tracks "Flight to Maputo" and "Cajun Jinx" which > were on the CD. > > FoFP > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 15 18:04:13 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:34:13 +1030 Subject: Festival Message-ID: > Ahh but the Sun always shines when Hawkind play outdoors, or at least in > my heart > > It will be truely great to see them outdoors again... There is and has > never been anything better than seeing The Wind play outdoors... I hope it works out - sounds ideal!!! Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Ferguson To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Festival > Ahh but the Sun always shines when Hawkind play outdoors, or at least in > my heart > > It will be truely great to see them outdoors again... There is and has > never been anything better than seeing The Wind play outdoors... > > "Take wet weather gear". > > Regards > iain > PS PXR5 rules. > PPS the weirdest hawkind collectors Item I have is a 9BOB ?5 note handed > out in the early 80's. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Jan 15 18:36:30 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:36:30 -0000 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: yeah but is it exactlly the same as the bass ritual album?? As in has it the same tracks, mixes etc?? colm >-----Original Message----- >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Date: 15 January 2001 19:26 >Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project > > >>Sadly this is one of those cases where I am unable to tell the full story, >>as it stands, behind this CD as it will incriminate far too many people - >>all I can say is be glad you have it, even if you don't have all of it - >oh, >>and it is the 'Bass Ritual' album for which I reviewed the FULL version >ages >>back in one of the old CD Services catalogues, OK. >>Andy Garibaldi. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Bottomley" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:20 AM >>Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project >> >> >>> >So what is this item exactly? Tape? CDR? >>> > >>> >FoFP >>> >>> >>> It's a CD (not CD-R) with (as Arin said) no details other than track >>listing >>> on the reverse of the silvery, single-sided insert (double-headed hawk >>logo >>> on the front) & a thanks to one Trevor Long. And it has a catalogue >number >>> (WARLORD777CD). Andy G has this item (well, one with the same track >>listing >>> and his descriptions match the music on my CD, so it must be the same >>item) >>> as "Bass Ritual - The Remixes" in the most recent CDS psychedelic/space >>rock >>> supplement (7). Whether it's the same cover or not, I don't know. I >picked >>> my copy up from the Voiceprint stall at Brixton. I assumed that they >>> (Voiceprint? Hawkwind?) had planned to give it a full release under the >>Bass >>> Ritual name, but for whatever reason changed their mind and gave us this >>> (limited?) version in place. Just guesswork. Andy G? Any idea what the >>story >>> is? >>> >>> BTW, it's well worth getting hold of. Better (or at least less variable) >>> than Future Reconstructions. >>> >>> Dave >> > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 15 19:41:59 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:41:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > > Note that there were two versions of this LP. The Australian LP also > > contained the two extra tracks "Flight to Maputo" and "Cajun Jinx" which > > were on the CD. > > I've got that CD but it only has Cajun Jinx - no Flight To Maputo Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. How many versions of this are there around the place?! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 15 23:25:39 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:25:39 +0800 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: (Snip, snip, snippity, snip) Michael said: Jill said: < Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track > number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins > of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. > How many versions of this are there around the place?! question only!> > jill Hmmm. I live in Perth, Western Australia and my NotH album has 15 tracks. They are: Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and Cajun Jinx. It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. Cheers Bill From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 16 06:22:59 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:22:59 GMT Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: Rich Warren's message of Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:44:25 -0000 Message-ID: Rich Warren writes: > Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) I defy anywhere in the UK to rain more than Glasters '98. FoFP From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 16 06:30:23 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:00:23 +1030 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: Hi Jill My copy is a Festival records release and has only 15 tracks I'm not even sure If i've heard the track flight to Maputo? Very Interestink indeeeeet!!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Blackman > To: > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > > > > > Note that there were two versions of this LP. The Australian LP > also > > > contained the two extra tracks "Flight to Maputo" and "Cajun > Jinx" which > > > were on the CD. > > > > I've got that CD but it only has Cajun Jinx - no Flight To Maputo > > Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track > number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins > of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. > > How many versions of this are there around the place?! question only!> > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 16 06:32:58 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:02:58 +1030 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: > Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, > Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, > Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and > Cajun Jinx. > It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and > New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. My copy is the exact description as yours guys - :) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > (Snip, snip, snippity, snip) > Michael said: > > > Jill said: > < Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track > > number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins > > of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. > > How many versions of this are there around the place?! > question only!> > > jill > > Hmmm. I live in Perth, Western Australia and my NotH album has 15 tracks. > They are: > Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, > Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, > Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and > Cajun Jinx. > It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and > New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. > > Cheers > Bill > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 16 06:35:06 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:05:06 +1030 Subject: HW - Notttttttt :) Message-ID: We're still awaiting to hear the decsion on the outcome of the John Lennong Song writing contest in New York We submitted four songs and are keeping our fingers crossed!!! Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 06:36:57 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:36:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Jan 01, at 8:27, Brian Halligan wrote: > Paul Wrote: > > Do you have the Halloween '98 moe. show? I only have that on > > cassette, and would like to get a CD-R copy. "Smokin'" Joe > > Bonomasso(sp?) guests with them during the gig. Now talk about hot > > guitar! > > I haven't heard this, but a few of us on the list got to see Joe > Bonomassa guest with BOC for the encore in New Hartford, NY, outside > of Utica, his hometown. He played "Slow Down" on Allen's guitar and > traded some amazing licks with Buck. Joe's solo gigs are pretty > impressive as well. He has a new album out on a major label, but I > haven't heard it yet. > Joe [no longer Smokin'] Bonamassa's new CD is New Day Yesterday, and it is amazing! Joe trods little too close to his influences at times [too much like Gary Moore's 'blues' albums and a couple too many Eric Johnson licks] but in general, it's great stuff. The rest of the band, esp bassist Cremo Liss can rock out too. And Joe can really pull it off live as well. Definitely get the CD and see him on tour... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 06:39:12 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:39:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Jan 01, at 13:04, Brian Halligan wrote: > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Paul. > >> > >> NP: Gov't Mule, Syracuse, NY, 2000-05-28 > > > > Theo, you went to this one, right? I was going to go to the gig in > > Rochester later in the month, but couldn't make it. Now I REALLY > > regret it! This was the show at Stylene's? If so, I did see it. What a gig! What's in store for GM? Will they continue with a new bassist? Sure hope so... theo From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Jan 16 07:42:09 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:42:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Croydon Message-ID: Anybody know if the Croydon gig is part of a UK tour or another one off? Enquiring minds M at xine From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 07:06:04 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:06:04 EDT Subject: OFF: Jimi Hendrix, INC: "scuze me, while i cash this check" -_- In-Reply-To: <2p2dyBACHYY6Ew1D@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 14 Jan 01, at 10:38, Jon Browne wrote: > In article <11.e6cc908.2792bbcf at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes > >JIMI > >HENDRIX GOLF GEAR is another matter entirely, IMHO. > > Ah, that's what he meant when he said > > "80 miles an hour, baby, is the speed I drive!" > > Fore! Heh, if you're swinging a driver at 80 miles an hour, you aren't much of a golfer... theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 16 07:14:18 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:14:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa In-Reply-To: <200101161237.HAA28455@syr.edu> Message-ID: > On 15 Jan 01, at 8:27, Brian Halligan wrote: >> He has a new album out on a major label, but I >> haven't heard it yet. >> > Joe [no longer Smokin'] Bonamassa's new CD is New Day > Yesterday, and it is amazing! Joe trods little too close to his > influences at times [too much like Gary Moore's 'blues' albums and a > couple too many Eric Johnson licks] but in general, it's great stuff. > The rest of the band, esp bassist Cremo Liss can rock out too. And > Joe can really pull it off live as well. Definitely get the CD and see > him on tour... > > theo I bought the album last night and absolutely love it. His cover of Tull's "New Day Yesterday" is a cross between Gov't Mule and the Bevis Frond. When I heard him play it live (opening for Tull), I thought it was just a live tribute, I never thought it would be a studio track (and one this amazing.) On first listen, my other favorites are "Nuthin' I Wouldn't Do (For a Woman Like You), Colour and Shape, and If Heartaches were Nickels. But all of it was great. Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 07:26:11 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:26:11 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Jan 01, at 13:49, Paul Mather wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Eli Friedman wrote: > > => BASSISTS GATHER FOR ALLEN WOODY TRIBUTE > => > => GOV'T MULE guitarist WARREN HAYNES is assembling an all-star cast > of => musicians to help him record a tribute album to his late > bandmate, bassist => ALLEN WOODY, who died in August. In addition to > Gov't Mule drummer MATT ABTS, => LES CLAYPOOL of PRIMUS, PHIL LESH, > MIKE GORDON of PHISH, CHRIS SQUIRE of YES, => ROCCO PRESTIA of TOWER > OF POWER, ALPHONSO JOHNSON of the WEATHER REPORT, => BOOTSY COLLINS > and LARRY GRAHAM have all signed on for the project. The album => is > due in the fall. Outrage! No Geddy? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 07:29:24 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:29:24 EDT Subject: OFF: Jimi Hendrix query In-Reply-To: <51.614c30a.27929911@aol.com> Message-ID: On 14 Jan 01, at 0:54, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > anybody out there know anything about the multi-cd box that came out > recently on MCA? Tons of previously unreleased stuff; but is it bottom > of the barrel junk/demos/ex-boots/etc? or bona fide hendrix tracks > unearthed and dusted of by the family? a decent career retrospective, > with a good representation of his career, or slapdash hodge-podge of > oddities and sub-standard junk? what say you, friends? thanks NP: zz > top/tejas wishbone ash/there's the rub There was a big writeup on the JH box in Guitar World a couple of months ago, with commentary by Eddie Kramer, etc. A good read for JH fans... theo From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jan 16 08:46:03 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:46:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: Flight to Maputo and Cajun Jinx are both also on the CD - Out and Intake Chris From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jan 16 09:20:39 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:20:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: <200101161239.HAA28675@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: => This was the show at Stylene's? If so, I did see it. What a gig! No, that was the year before (1999-06-21). This gig is listed as "Cole Muffler Court" (NY State Fairgrounds), 2000-05-28, but is also a great gig. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 08:33:25 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:33:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule (was Re: Festival) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 01, at 9:20, Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > => This was the show at Stylene's? If so, I did see it. What a gig! > > No, that was the year before (1999-06-21). This gig is listed as > "Cole Muffler Court" (NY State Fairgrounds), 2000-05-28, but is also a > great gig. > Ah, too bad for me. I had to miss the outdoor gig. Bummer! theo From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Tue Jan 16 09:39:55 2001 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:39:55 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 10 Jan 2001 to 11 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-15) Message-ID: I'd like to see a tab/chord archive, if there are no copyright probs. Mark > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:01:49 +0100 > From: Denis Regenbrecht -snip- > Now for something completely different: > Do you think I'll come into trouble if I include some kind of archive of > all the various tabs, chords etc. that various listmembers contributed in > the past (and hopefully will in the future)? I think it would be great if > such a thing existed (searching through the BOC-L archives can get very > tiresome). From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 16 11:58:16 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:58:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: Hi! >Michael said: > > >Jill said: >< Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track >> number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins >> of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. >> How many versions of this are there around the place?! > question only!> >> jill >Bill said: >Hmmm. I live in Perth, Western Australia and my NotH album has 15 tracks. >They are: >Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, >Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, >Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and >Cajun Jinx. >It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and >New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. Well, My copy is Powerhouse Records ( pow5502 ). 13 track. Manufactured in Germany. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From cea at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 16 14:05:50 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:05:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08.14 -0400 16.1.2001, Brian Halligan wrote: >I bought the album last night and absolutely love it. His cover of Tull's >"New Day Yesterday" is a cross between Gov't Mule and the Bevis Frond. When >I heard him play it live (opening for Tull), I thought it was just a live >tribute, I never thought it would be a studio track (and one this amazing.) Woah! Gotta check this out ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 16 14:02:51 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:02:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 01, at 19:05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At 08.14 -0400 16.1.2001, Brian Halligan wrote: > >I bought the album last night and absolutely love it. His cover of > >Tull's "New Day Yesterday" is a cross between Gov't Mule and the > >Bevis Frond. When I heard him play it live (opening for Tull), I > >thought it was just a live tribute, I never thought it would be a > >studio track (and one this amazing.) > > Woah! Gotta check this out ... > > Cheers, > Carl You won't be disappointed. This 10-year-veteran [at the ripe old age of 22] will make you wonder how guys like Johnny Lang ever got a record deal... theo From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Jan 16 15:07:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:07:00 +0000 Subject: HW: finest moments Message-ID: As promised, I've done a first pass summary (in order) of the collated favourite Hawkwind moments from this group over the last month. http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/finest.htm Happy reading! Steve Litchfield From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 16 15:36:38 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:36:38 +0000 Subject: HW: finest moments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Steve Litchfield writes >As promised, I've done a first pass summary (in order) of the collated >favourite Hawkwind moments from this group over the last month. > >http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/finest.htm Seems you missed out /hawkwind/ from that URL 'The Phenomenon of Luminosity' is from 'Church Of Hawkwind'. -- Nick Medford From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jan 16 17:48:21 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:48:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles 1994 US tour setlists? Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can find setlists for the Ozric Tentacles 1994 USA tour? I looked on the mwerning page, but all it had for 1994 were dates and no setlists. :-( Cheers, Paul. NP: Col. Les Claypool & the Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, 2000-09-02 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 16 17:56:46 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:56:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: Herewith a summary (below) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > > Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, > > Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, > > Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and > > Cajun Jinx. > > It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and > > New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. > My copy is the exact description as yours guys - Both my vinyl album cover and my CD cover read the same: a Powerhouse Records release - AVM/Ultraprime Entertainments with the comment "Released Through an agreement with Flicknife Records (London/UK)". The distributor is PRT Records and the copyright is "AVM Records Ltd. - a subsidiary of Ultraprime Entertainments Ltd. Manufactured in West Germany". However the CD also has written on it "Made in Switzerland" The vinyl is POW 5502. The CD is POWCD 5502 My vinyl album only has 13 tracks with the following comment on the cover "the cassette version of the LP contains an extra track: 'Ejection' The CD contains 'Ejection', plus two extra tracks: 'Flight to Maputo' and 'Cajun Junx'" My CD has 16 tracks and the cover has the following comment " *{Ejection}Available on casette and CD versions only **{'Flight to Maputo' and 'Cajun Jinx'} Available on CD version only" Plus it now seems that there is also an Australian vinyl with the two extra tracks and an Australian version of the CD without 'Flight to Maputo'. and a cassette version without the two extra tracks but with 'Ejection'. confused? I sure is! cheers jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill & Cynthia > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > > > > (Snip, snip, snippity, snip) > > Michael said: > > > > > > Jill said: > > < Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track > > > number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins > > > of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. > > > How many versions of this are there around the place?! > > question only!> > > > jill > > > > Hmmm. I live in Perth, Western Australia and my NotH album has 15 tracks. > > They are: > > Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, > > Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, > > Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and > > Cajun Jinx. > > It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and > > New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. > > > > Cheers > > Bill > > > From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jan 16 18:01:10 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:01:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles 1994 US tour setlists? Message-ID: Ozrics - Limelight NYC April 19, 1994 Og Ha Be O/I Erpland White Rhino Tea Vita Voom Jurassic Shift Snake Pit Dissolution (The Clouds Disperse) The Throbbe Space Between Your Ears Kick Muck Ayervedic Hope this helps, Chris Paul Mather wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can find setlists for the Ozric Tentacles 1994 > USA tour? I looked on the mwerning page, but all it had for 1994 were > dates and no setlists. :-( > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Col. Les Claypool & the Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, 2000-09-02 > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Tue Jan 16 19:07:51 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:07:51 +0000 Subject: HW: music and books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This may be toooo obvious..... Once, in my mis-spent youth I spent a delirious afternoon zooming through MM's "The Blood Red Game" to the accompaniment of "The Space Ritual" - a very well matched pair. But I'll think on this topic some more... Maybe Chris Judge Smith's "Curly's Airships" for "The Warlord Of The Air" *g* ChrisW At 21:52 14/01/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hey folks, > >Anyone have any good paired book/album combinations? > >Occasionally, when I'm lucky, I discover that a given album >makes fantastic paired listening while reading a given book >(Tangerine Dream's Logos and Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood, >for instance.) > >Anyone out there do anythin similar to Hawkwind tunes? >What song and/or album match up to what book for you? > >(for my part, I've yet to find a good book that HW will match, >partly because many HW lyrics are highly evocative of given science >fiction imagery in their own right, and therefore doesn't mesh well >with other SF books. ...but I'm looking for suggestions.) > >Thanks, > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu >Web Systems Administrator >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 16 18:20:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:20:38 -0000 Subject: Fw: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: Below you will find my old review of what was then the full album - as you will see, certain things are missing from the album you have before you now. The music on the 'original' as far as I know is the same as on the CD although I've not yet heard the CD (just not got around to it - too much else out there!!!). Hope this helps. Andy Garibaldi. HAWKWIND: Bass Ritual - The Original Masters Of The Universe Remixed CD?13.49 Offer price to release date (30th August) ?12.49 This is NOT a dance album........ Snappy title, huh? Yes, folks, it's remix album time again, and whereas the "Ritual Of The Solstice" album went all dance oriented, this is a whole different ball game, so don't prejudge and read on. The first track is Future Loop Foundation remixing 'Golden Void' and this starts the album with a complete success, as they take a portion of Brock's vocal and underlying synth work, add more synths, give it a solid but not bombastic drum and bass rhythm layer and keep the whole thing alive with the spirit of Hawkwind, while producing something that's not actualy space-rock. Next up is 2nd Gen with their take on 'Space Is Deep' and here, if there is anything left of the actual Hawkwind track, I can't hear it because it is buried under a gigantic layer of noise-space electronics that assault the senses - space was never thsi scary (or was it?). Then John Avery effectively 'does' 'Sonic Attack' and produces a really neat version of it by going for the opposite efect from Calvert as a calm female, almost robotic, voice enunciates the lyrics over a calming sea of electronics and stuff, yet all quite eerie in its own little way and I really enjoyed this take on an old favourite. DJ Speedranch weighs into 'Brainstorm' and you can just about hear something from the original track, again buried under tons of musical rubble as masses of coruscating electronics attack the senses and mid-way through, you can hear the bass line trying to emerge from the gloom, but failing, as the electronics continue their relentless path., the surprise ending being quite novel. Then Hawkwind themselves do a remix of 'Earth Calling' and turn it into a really fantastic instrumental with some scorching electric guitar work from Brock over solid mid-paced sequencers and synths plus el drums while the music is further enhanced with samples, guitars that slide about all over the place, heavenly choirs, before the track soars to even greater heights with the introduction of Brock's vocals, mulit-tracked, over the sea of guitars, synths and drums, all still slow-mid paced, eventually fading to an end on layers of slow synth rhythms and percussion, but with space whooshes all the way along. Next up, we have avant-guitarist/composer James Plotkin remixing 'Born To Go' and here he initially keps the tinkling synth/perc intro and piles on top a load of crackling effects, synth swooshes that have a disturbing panoramic effect, tumbling drum rhythms, and then it goes into a vocoded voice that yellls out, before even heavier electronic soundscapes of a deep and dark space nature combine with the emerging main intro of the actual song and the two components are mixed together to produce a really amazing effect as the bass and electric guitar come roaring in on their own only to have the whole thoing enhanced to magnificent extent by Plotkin's huge wedges of dense electronic squall, and then the track abruptly ends just as it was threatening to explode in your face. Now the next one should be 'Down Through The Night' but on the pre-release tape they gave me, I'v gone into 'Levitation', here remixed by Scalper MIB, so I can report that they really do a great job on this by taking a Brock vocal refrain of 'Your Captain Is Dead' and using this as a phrase that crops up throughout the track, while the actual mixer takes the song intact, slow it down and give it a brooding industrial treatment with vocals low in the mix while a swirl of electric and electronic instruments/percussion provide a thickly textured but juggernaut-like backing, all making for a unique if short-ish take on a great track, that really works. Ah, now we get 'Down Through The Night' in the hands of Flex 13 who add even more guitars to the main body of the song of which you can hear the central bass and guitar riifs plus snatches of vocals as the track becomes full of guitar squalls and dense fogbanks of electronics that take on a feedback-ridden nature as the Hawkwind portion of the track fade away to leave just a classic Hawkwind-style sea of synth space whooses and drifts that you imagine are going to erupt into an actual Hawkwind track at any minute, and a superb sonic section that wouldn't have sounded out of place on the "Space Ritual" album. The inimitably named Stock Hausen and Waterman take on 'Orgone Accumulator' and you won't believe what they've done to this. They've accelerated the vocal refrain and that's about all that's left of the song as they unleash a cupboard full of electronics, effects, electronic rhythms, bonging bell-like sounds, percussive rustlings and create a most bizarre musical landscape that approaches the caustic, is just on the right side of noise-fest and, inexplicably, at odd intervals suddenly turn the song's riff into a sort of heavy-noise salsa, then stops and moves back to the main features of the mix. This one will really do yuor head in, for sure.OK, we're onto the final two. First up Richard Chadwick (Hawkwind) takes on 'Silver Machine', here renaming it 'Silver Kachina', and, like the first track, gives it a drum and bass style rhythm, only then to add more layers of electronics and samples to steer the track away from a '90's angle and into a sort of swirling space music trip with rattling rhythms, pounding bass and scorching electronic riffs, with snatches of the song welling up from the depths on occasions, as finally it lurches back into the main percussive rhythm sounding like a space-rock version of Can, only entirely electronic, the end result being nothing like the main track but a splendid instrumental remix that has a life of its own and is, for me a really great track, although this is, funnily enough, the nearest thing to a 'modern' dance-influenced track on the album. To finish the album, it's Wire's Colin Newman versus 'Masters Of The Univese' and this is just the most incredible track on the whole album as he literally leaves the original track completely intact, decelerates the vocal slightly but keeps the correct pace of the song intact. The really incredible thing is that he takes the main guitar riff and MAKES IT LOUDER and enhances its strength so that you what is essentially a new version of the classic track with drums and bass at the bottom, but the top section driving along on the most enormous sea of guitars and electronics that yopu've ever heard, the rezult being so much more than any remix and a version that will just blow you away, and a fine, if slightly too short, end to a smoking album. Overall, this is a winner from start to finish and I think any open-minded Hawk fans will get a lot out of this, particularly with it maintaining the spirit of the band throughout and keeping the emphasis on guitars and electronic soundscapes. I was pleasntly surprised, will play this often and I can recommend it wholeheartedly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: Fw: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project > yeah but is it exactlly the same as the bass ritual album?? > As in has it the same tracks, mixes etc?? > > > colm > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Date: 15 January 2001 19:26 > >Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project > > > > > >>Sadly this is one of those cases where I am unable to tell the full story, From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 16 18:33:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:33:38 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: Sorry to be so thick but what's the difference????? Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Siegerman" To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Festival > On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 07:07:25PM +0000, Keith Barton wrote: > > Trivial fact: There's only one lake in the lake district - Bassenthwaite > > Lake (the rest are Waters, Meres or Tarns) > > So why isn't it the Water District, then? (I can see why the > locals might object to Mere District :-) > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 16 18:59:00 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:59:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album Message-ID: The vinyl in the UK on this label had whatever number of tracks, the tape one extra track and the CD two extra tracks if I remember rightly. On the subject of tape cassettes, I paid a visit to the local second hand ('used' for the USA crowd) store and got three tapes which are up for grabs for exactly what I paid for them plus postage if anyone is interested. They are: Hawkwind-Roadhawks (incl 'Silver Machine') (TCK 29919) Hawkwind-Quark Starngeness and Charm/PXR-5 2-on-1(CASMC 110) Hawkwind-This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic (Flicknife Sharp 022C) Anyone interested, then e.mail me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miikka Wagner" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album > Hi! > > >Michael said: > > > > > >Jill said: > >< Interesting! Mine has Flight to Maputo - 5mins 23secs - track > >> number 15 out of a total of 16 tracks. It comes after Assassins > >> of Allah and before Cajun Jinx. > >> How many versions of this are there around the place?! >> question only!> > >> jill > >Bill said: > >Hmmm. I live in Perth, Western Australia and my NotH album has 15 tracks. > >They are: > >Motorhead, Needle Gun, Night of the Hawks, Valium 10, Psychic Power, > >Confrontation, Starship, Ejection, Hurry On Sundown, Green Finned Demon, > >Zarozinia, Who's Gonna Win The War, Motorway City, Assassins of Allah and > >Cajun Jinx. > >It was manufactured and released in 1989 by Festival Records Australia and > >New Zealand, but its copyright is AVM Records in the UK. > > Well, My copy is Powerhouse Records ( pow5502 ). 13 track. Manufactured in > Germany. > > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Jan 16 19:37:10 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:10 +0000 Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: <01d301c0801e$27a25c60$649cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In article <01d301c0801e$27a25c60$649cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Sorry to be so thick but what's the difference????? >Andy G'b Tarns are puddles with delusions of grandeur, dunno what meres are and I think waters are artificial (Like Keilder Water) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Siegerman" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:25 PM >Subject: Re: Festival > > >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 07:07:25PM +0000, Keith Barton wrote: >> > Trivial fact: There's only one lake in the lake district - Bassenthwaite >> > Lake (the rest are Waters, Meres or Tarns) >> >> So why isn't it the Water District, then? (I can see why the >> locals might object to Mere District :-) >> >> -- >> >> | | /\ >> |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > -- David Blair From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Jan 16 19:49:43 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:49:43 -0000 Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project Message-ID: >cheers for that andy, i am still confused though.... > > >but can i hi-light the tracks that aint on the my copy hawkwind remix >project cd i have but you mention below in your review. > >Loop Foundation remixing 'Golden Void' - yep this on on mine > >Next up is 2nd Gen with their take on 'Space Is Deep' - nope this aint on >mine :-( > >Then John Avery effectively 'does' 'Sonic Attack' - yep this is on mine > >DJ Speedranch weighs into 'Brainstorm' - yep this is on mine > >Then Hawkwind themselves do a remix of 'Earth Calling' - yep this is on >mine > > >Next up, we have avant-guitarist/composer James Plotkin remixing 'Born To >Go' - no this aint on mine > >Now the next one should be 'Down Through The Night' - nope this aint either > > >I'v gone into 'Levitation', here remixed by Scalper MIB - yep this is on >mine > >The inimitably named Stock Hausen and Waterman take on 'Orgone >Accumulator' - nope this isn't on mine > > >First up Richard Chadwick (Hawkwind) takes on 'Silver Machine', here >renaming it 'Silver Kachina', - yes this is on mine > >To finish the album, it's Wire's Colin Newman versus 'Masters Of The >Univese' - yes this is on mine > >so my question is the remixes of "space is deep", "down through the night", >"born to go" and orgone "acculmulator" are this on the bass ritual cd or >not??? > >is the hawkwind remix project just a sampler for the full release that is >bass ritual??? > >cheers > >colm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bedroom trancer" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:36 PM >Subject: Fw: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project > > >> yeah but is it exactlly the same as the bass ritual album?? >> As in has it the same tracks, mixes etc?? >> >> >> colm >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> >Date: 15 January 2001 19:26 >> >Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Remix Project >> > >> > >> >>Sadly this is one of those cases where I am unable to tell the full >story, > > From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Tue Jan 16 23:54:13 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:54:13 -0600 Subject: Chaos Delight on ebay Message-ID: Here's a way to get Chaos Delight for cheap in the USA, from Jerry at Aural Innovations. $14 includes shipping, and you know that Jerry's a good guy and you know that Alan Davey rocks! Jerry even gives instructions not to bid higher than $14! Postage included unless you're overseas. So here's the link -- he's got 12 copies left, and the dutch auction closes in 1 more day! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1403953212 (I'm not affilliated with Aural Innovations, but that's where I got my copy and I'm pleased with the service!) Bryan Young From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 07:46:30 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:46:30 -0000 Subject: Festival Message-ID: FOFP writes: > >> Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) > >I defy anywhere in the UK to rain more than Glasters '98. > >FoFP How about Glasters '97? bye - Rob -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 17 07:54:22 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:54:22 GMT Subject: Festival In-Reply-To: Stuckey, Robert's message of Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:46:30 -0000 Message-ID: Stuckey, Robert writes: > FOFP writes: > > > >> Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) > > > >I defy anywhere in the UK to rain more than Glasters '98. > > > >FoFP > > How about Glasters '97? Having braved both of 'em I definitely reckon that '98 wins for wetness. FoFP From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Jan 17 08:02:29 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:02:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: NYC show 2/8/01 Message-ID: New York City! Arise! On your feet or on your knees! The terror you spawned has returned to its homeland. Here they come, the Amazing Blue Oyster Cult! February 8, 2 shows, at "B.B. King's" on 42nd St. -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 08:43:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Oops Message-ID: Oops, my 'Finest moments' message should have course read: As promised, I've done a first pass summary (in order) of the collated favourite Hawkwind moments from this group over the last month. http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/finest.htm (note the right URL!!!!) Happy reading! Steve Litchfield From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 13:53:14 2001 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:53:14 +0000 Subject: OFF : Fwd: Crass have some problems Message-ID: > null at southern.com wrote: > >From: null at southern.com >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:21:51 GMT >Subject: Crass have some problems >To: undisclosed-recipients: ; >Reply-to: tour-dates-reply at southern.com > > >Update 17 January 2001 > >The auction takes place next Tuesday. There has been an overwhelming >response of support and many many individuals have sent small donations >which has truly touched Crass and inspired them to fight on. However >unfortunately they are well short of the necessary funds to place a bid, >so if you can help, now is the time. Please pass this on to everyone you >know who might be interested. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >December 2000 > >You may be among the many people who know of DIAL HOUSE, if only because >it was home to the infamous anarchist punk band, CRASS. Although over the >years some members of the band have moved on, three remain at DIAL HOUSE, >maintaining their anarchist lifestyle and sharing it with what over time >has grown to be a massive extended family. > >When we first rented DIAL HOUSE thirty years ago it was a >derelict, rat infested dump with a rubbish heap for a garden. Nonetheless, >we could see in it the possibility of making real our dream of setting up >a communal creative and theraputic centre. Having completely renovated the >house to include studio, print-rooms, a rehersal space and workshops, we >created an organic garden that enabled us to be largely self-sufficient. >The more we expanded, the more we were able to share. > >>>From the outset, in 1967, the lifestyle at DIAL HOUSE has sought to offer >residents, guests, visitors and the broader community a workable >alternative to the all-pervading consumer ethic. For over thirty years, >the DIAL HOUSE community has shared its vision of possibility and hope >against a culture in which personalgreed has become an accepted norm. > >CRASS was perhaps our most renowned enterprise, seconded by the creation >of the first STONEHENGE FESTIVALS. These were public expressions of the >more personal ideas which had always been shared by the community. For the >last 12 years DIAL HOUSE has been under siege from various uncaring >landlords who, believing that they have the right to profit from the love >and care we have invested into the house, have sought to evict us from our >home. The most powerful of those landlords was British Telecom who after a >five day Public Enquiry we were able to beat off. It was our first major >victory in a war that wasn't over. British Telecom sold the property on >to Peer Group, a London based development company. Having twice failed in >Court action against us, Peer Group have now decided to put DIAL HOUSE >up for auction on the 23rd January 2001. Not once in their six years as >Landlords have they attempted to open up a dialogue with us over a >sensible price on the house. The auction is Peer Group's last ditch stand. > >If you know anything about CRASS, you will know that despite selling >thousands of records, profit was never on the agenda. As long as there >was food in the garden a roof over our heads and friends to share time >wth, we were happy enough. Not surprisingly enough, we are now broke as we >were thirty years ago and consequently haven't got the necessary funds to >make a bid for DIAL HOUSE. > >Obviously we would love to be able to buy DIAL HOUSE so that we can ensure >a future for what it has come to represent. It would be unrealistic to >imagine that any future Landlord would be any more sympathetic than Peer >Group. Our way of life, after all, is the very antithesis of capitalist >greed. > >For too long we have had to suffer at the hands of Landlords whose only >interest in DIAL HOUSE was its material value. For too long we have had to >put aside our desire for radical change simply to be dragged through the >Courts or to conform to the limiting legal restrictions of our Tenancy >Agreement. We want to grow personally and to expand our operations, but >know that unless we own DIAL HOUSE it will not be wholly possible. > >Our current dream is that DIAL HOUSE should continue as it >always has been, as a 'safe house': a space where there is a welcome, >where there is a bed for the night, conversation, food and the possibility >of sharing ideas. On this foundation we want to expand on DIAL HOUSE's >traditions of radical creativity, offering its facilities to an ever wider >public. > >We would like to arrange workshops covering a range of alternative >activities from healthcare courses to literary weekends; to offer studio >and rehersal space to visiting artists and musicians; to organise formal >discussions and debates to contribute towards the ever growing >international radical dialoguel to arrange gigs, film and art shows, >readings and debates in the local village hall; to widen our own field of >visions and at the same time to involve the local community, most >especially the young. > >Any capital raised through these activites could be re-cycled back into >DIAL HOUSE for further projects. We would like to open a website to >broaden the network, open the house and garden to new activities and new >thoughts, open our hearts to a new vibrant future. Parallel to this dream, >a Trust would be set up of around half a dozen interested individuals, >made up of residents and non-residents, who would meet regularly at DIAL >HOUSE to guide and administer the overall policies and agendas of its >running. In addition to this, the permanent residents could pursue >their personal work - painting, writing, music-making, gardening etc... > >So, that is the dream, but the reality remains - we're broke. > >To ensure a chance of a successful bid, we need to raise something in the >region of 80,000 GBP : a huge sum of money for us. Because we are >desperate, we are taking a course of action that we would not normally >contemplate - in short, this is an appeal to anyone who might have lived >at, visited, supported or had any interest in DIAL HOUSE and what it >represents to somehow contribute towards buying it. > >CAN YOU HELP? > >Contact details : > >Dial House >Ongar Park Hall >North Weald >Epping >Essex CM16 6AE >tel/fax +44 (0) 199 252 3854 > >email : geecrass at southern.com > >Cheques can be made out to Penny Rimbaud. > >Thank you. > > > This message was sent by Easymail - http://www.easynet.co.uk/ From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 13:58:40 2001 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:58:40 +0000 Subject: OFF : Fwd: Crass have some problems Message-ID: > null at southern.com wrote: > >From: null at southern.com >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:21:51 GMT >Subject: Crass have some problems >To: undisclosed-recipients: ; >Reply-to: tour-dates-reply at southern.com > > >Update 17 January 2001 > >The auction takes place next Tuesday. There has been an overwhelming >response of support and many many individuals have sent small donations >which has truly touched Crass and inspired them to fight on. However >unfortunately they are well short of the necessary funds to place a bid, >so if you can help, now is the time. Please pass this on to everyone you >know who might be interested. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >December 2000 > >You may be among the many people who know of DIAL HOUSE, if only because >it was home to the infamous anarchist punk band, CRASS. Although over the >years some members of the band have moved on, three remain at DIAL HOUSE, >maintaining their anarchist lifestyle and sharing it with what over time >has grown to be a massive extended family. > >When we first rented DIAL HOUSE thirty years ago it was a >derelict, rat infested dump with a rubbish heap for a garden. Nonetheless, >we could see in it the possibility of making real our dream of setting up >a communal creative and theraputic centre. Having completely renovated the >house to include studio, print-rooms, a rehersal space and workshops, we >created an organic garden that enabled us to be largely self-sufficient. >The more we expanded, the more we were able to share. > >>>From the outset, in 1967, the lifestyle at DIAL HOUSE has sought to offer >residents, guests, visitors and the broader community a workable >alternative to the all-pervading consumer ethic. For over thirty years, >the DIAL HOUSE community has shared its vision of possibility and hope >against a culture in which personalgreed has become an accepted norm. > >CRASS was perhaps our most renowned enterprise, seconded by the creation >of the first STONEHENGE FESTIVALS. These were public expressions of the >more personal ideas which had always been shared by the community. For the >last 12 years DIAL HOUSE has been under siege from various uncaring >landlords who, believing that they have the right to profit from the love >and care we have invested into the house, have sought to evict us from our >home. The most powerful of those landlords was British Telecom who after a >five day Public Enquiry we were able to beat off. It was our first major >victory in a war that wasn't over. British Telecom sold the property on >to Peer Group, a London based development company. Having twice failed in >Court action against us, Peer Group have now decided to put DIAL HOUSE >up for auction on the 23rd January 2001. Not once in their six years as >Landlords have they attempted to open up a dialogue with us over a >sensible price on the house. The auction is Peer Group's last ditch stand. > >If you know anything about CRASS, you will know that despite selling >thousands of records, profit was never on the agenda. As long as there >was food in the garden a roof over our heads and friends to share time >wth, we were happy enough. Not surprisingly enough, we are now broke as we >were thirty years ago and consequently haven't got the necessary funds to >make a bid for DIAL HOUSE. > >Obviously we would love to be able to buy DIAL HOUSE so that we can ensure >a future for what it has come to represent. It would be unrealistic to >imagine that any future Landlord would be any more sympathetic than Peer >Group. Our way of life, after all, is the very antithesis of capitalist >greed. > >For too long we have had to suffer at the hands of Landlords whose only >interest in DIAL HOUSE was its material value. For too long we have had to >put aside our desire for radical change simply to be dragged through the >Courts or to conform to the limiting legal restrictions of our Tenancy >Agreement. We want to grow personally and to expand our operations, but >know that unless we own DIAL HOUSE it will not be wholly possible. > >Our current dream is that DIAL HOUSE should continue as it >always has been, as a 'safe house': a space where there is a welcome, >where there is a bed for the night, conversation, food and the possibility >of sharing ideas. On this foundation we want to expand on DIAL HOUSE's >traditions of radical creativity, offering its facilities to an ever wider >public. > >We would like to arrange workshops covering a range of alternative >activities from healthcare courses to literary weekends; to offer studio >and rehersal space to visiting artists and musicians; to organise formal >discussions and debates to contribute towards the ever growing >international radical dialoguel to arrange gigs, film and art shows, >readings and debates in the local village hall; to widen our own field of >visions and at the same time to involve the local community, most >especially the young. > >Any capital raised through these activites could be re-cycled back into >DIAL HOUSE for further projects. We would like to open a website to >broaden the network, open the house and garden to new activities and new >thoughts, open our hearts to a new vibrant future. Parallel to this dream, >a Trust would be set up of around half a dozen interested individuals, >made up of residents and non-residents, who would meet regularly at DIAL >HOUSE to guide and administer the overall policies and agendas of its >running. In addition to this, the permanent residents could pursue >their personal work - painting, writing, music-making, gardening etc... > >So, that is the dream, but the reality remains - we're broke. > >To ensure a chance of a successful bid, we need to raise something in the >region of 80,000 GBP : a huge sum of money for us. Because we are >desperate, we are taking a course of action that we would not normally >contemplate - in short, this is an appeal to anyone who might have lived >at, visited, supported or had any interest in DIAL HOUSE and what it >represents to somehow contribute towards buying it. > >CAN YOU HELP? > >Contact details : > >Dial House >Ongar Park Hall >North Weald >Epping >Essex CM16 6AE >tel/fax +44 (0) 199 252 3854 > >email : geecrass at southern.com > >Cheques can be made out to Penny Rimbaud. > >Thank you. > > > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 14:01:32 2001 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:01:32 +0000 Subject: OFF :double post Message-ID: sorry for the double post... stupid e-mail programme ;) From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 17 17:55:54 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:55:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Nik T's Space Ritual CD for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in buying a copy of the double CD Nik Turner's Space Ritual? Live in US in 94. Includes Alan Powell & Del Dettmar. 10 HW songs 1 ICU song 2 Bob songs (Lockheed) Plus a few others .... Please e-mail jeremy at dacombe.fsnet.co.uk with offer if interested. Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 17 20:56:37 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:56:37 EST Subject: BOC: NYC show 2/8/01 Message-ID: NYC?! When are they coming back to Ft. Wayne IN?!!!!! ARGHHHHH! Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 17 22:42:55 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:12:55 +1030 Subject: HW: Nag Meister 2001 Message-ID: Hey Any plans for Hawkwind to return to Australia soon I'll shout the beers - honest!!!! and I cook some mean curries & mexican food!!! 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URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 06:13:34 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:13:34 GMT Subject: HW: Re Night of the Hawk album In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Herewith a summary (below) > Both my vinyl album cover and my CD cover read the same: a > Powerhouse Records release - AVM/Ultraprime Entertainments with the > comment "Released Through an agreement with Flicknife Records > (London/UK)". The distributor is PRT Records and the copyright is > "AVM Records Ltd. - a subsidiary of Ultraprime Entertainments Ltd. > Manufactured in West Germany". However the CD also has written on > it "Made in Switzerland" The vinyl is POW 5502. The CD is POWCD > 5502 > > My vinyl album only has 13 tracks with the following comment on the > cover "the cassette version of the LP contains an extra track: > 'Ejection' The CD contains 'Ejection', plus two extra tracks: > 'Flight to Maputo' and 'Cajun Junx'" > > My CD has 16 tracks and the cover has the following comment " > *{Ejection}Available on casette and CD versions only **{'Flight > to Maputo' and 'Cajun Jinx'} Available on CD version only" > > Plus it now seems that there is also an Australian vinyl with the > two extra tracks > and > an Australian version of the CD without 'Flight to Maputo'. > and > a cassette version without the two extra tracks but with 'Ejection'. > > confused? > I sure is! > > cheers jill OK, I seem to have got it slightly wrong. I checked my collection last night and came up with the following: * The UK LP has the basic 13 tracks. It does not have Ejection, Flight to Maputo or Cajun Jinx. * The sleeve notes indicate that the cassette has the extra track Ejection. * The CD has 16 tracks with Ejection, Cajun Jinx and Flight to Maputo as the extra tracks. * The Australian LP has 15 tracks, the two extra being Ejection and Cajun Jinx, but not Flight to Maputo (the last being the bit that I got wrong). This all seems to match everyone else after all. Sorry about the confusion. I'll amend the Codex accordingly. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 06:18:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:18:23 GMT Subject: Hi Tech Cities Message-ID: I checked this one last night. The version on Live in Space 1990 is studio but it's not the same as on the 1988 Brock solo album. What's interesting is that I'd say that the one tacked on to live in Space is an earlier studio version than the Live in Space one. I'd be interested in other comment on which is the earlier version so that I can mark the Codex accordingly. FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jan 18 09:46:16 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:46:16 -0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1123000/1123894.stm (I'm sure they mean "Motorhead" rather than Machinehead - but hey...) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Thu Jan 18 10:17:24 2001 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:17:24 -0500 Subject: HW Offer Message-ID: As part of a trade I've taken in 5 copies of Master Of The Universe - a 17 track compilation released in 1997. Still shrinkwrapped, the first 5 to e-mail privately to info at the-rocker.co.uk can have 1 for ?3.49 inc UK postage, $7 inc worldwide postage. I've also got 5 copies of Motorhead - Fast, Loose & Live - same price, 16 tracks, released in 1996, also shrinkwrapped. The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Thu Jan 18 10:30:15 2001 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:30:15 -0600 Subject: HW: Nik T's Space ritual CD for sale Message-ID: Jez: > Anybody interested in buying a copy of the double CD Nik Turner's > Space = > Ritual? > Live in US in 94. > Includes Alan Powell & Del Dettmar. > 10 HW songs > 1 ICU song > 2 Bob songs (Lockheed) > Plus a few others .... > Please e-mail jeremy at dacombe.fsnet.co.uk with offer if interested. >From what show(s) are the tracks? -Hogard From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Jan 18 10:54:14 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:54:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Nik T's Space ritual CD for sale Message-ID: James A Hogard wrote: > > >From what show(s) are the tracks? Great American Music Hall - San Francisco 1994 Keef From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 18 11:56:34 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:56:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Nag Meister 2001 In-Reply-To: <003601c0812f$cbf745c0$73d0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: :Subject: HW Nag Meister 2001 : :Heres hoping that a 3 day Hawkwind festival happens this summer (UK). and that theres a pasport :thing as well as parties and meet the band etceteras : :ooooohhhhmmmmmm well, I'm not going to nag ;-) (but if I get to wish -- let the hawkwind fest happen...but not on 1 or 2 July!) Arin (got stuck with being a bridesmaid for a friend then.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Thu Jan 18 11:47:36 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:47:36 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 2001 to 18 Jan 2001 (#2001-24) Message-ID: FOFP writes: >> > >> >> Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) >> > >> >I defy anywhere in the UK to rain more than Glasters '98. >> > >> >FoFP >> >> How about Glasters '97? > >Having braved both of 'em I definitely reckon that '98 wins for wetness. > >FoFP I think psychologically '97 was worse because you knew what to expect by the time of '98, and were certainly more prepared!! .......and I had a better tent in '98. :-) bye - Rob -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 18 12:15:27 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:15:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule News Message-ID: Live Gov't Mule Album will Feature John Scofield; Warren Haynes Solo Album Also in Production Warren Haynes is currently in the studio mixing two separate albums for future release. The first is a live Gov?t Mule album featuring special guest John Scofield. Material for the CD was recorded at the Georgia Theater in Athens, GA on 9/22/99 and The Roxy in Atlanta, GA on 9/23/99. The second album will feature solo acoustic work by Haynes, primarily in the live setting. Titles and release dates are yet to be confirmed. Other news: Jeff Beck Announces U.S. Tour; New Album Due Jeff Beck will tour the U.S. in February and March in support of his new album,You Had It Coming. The CD will be released February 5 on Epic Records. The tour kicks off February 15 at the Paramount in Seattle, WA and concludes with a two-night stand at Roseland Ballroom in New York City, March 22-23. Beck?s band features guitarist Jennifer Batten, bassist Randy Hope-Taylor and drummer Steve Alexander. For the complete tour itinerary, visit www.jeffbeckmusic.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just for the record the Japanese version of "You Had It Coming" has been out for a while. I heard it over the weekend at a friends. It's pretty good, but does not break any new ground. All the songs are in the 3-4 minute range. Most of them are Jeff putting his signature riffs over drum machine tracks. His licks are great, but the disc is pretty short. The disc would have been cutting edge 10 years ago, but not in today's climate. It kinda sounds industrial in a way w/ the drum machine stuff. Picture very weak Ministry beats w/ Beck riffs and you got it. If you are a Beck fan you should like it and only wish there was more. The above news as well as other "Jamband" news can be found at www.jambands.com Peace, Darrin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 18 12:19:59 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:19:59 +0000 Subject: HW: TV appearance? Message-ID: I haven't seen any date yet for when the channel 4 prog featuring HW is going to be on, the last I heard it was going to be one of those 'top 10' programmes. For anyone who hasn't heard about it yet, Channel 4s new channel E4, which starts broadcasting today on Sky/Cable/OnDigital has a 'Top Ten' show on Saturday at 7:30. It's the Top 10 'one-hit wonders', and since they only had a big hit with Silver Machine, this may well be the show. -- David Blair From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Thu Jan 18 12:33:45 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:33:45 -0000 Subject: TV appearance? In-Reply-To: <+YvCONA$WyZ6Ew$8@puddytat.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I think that's a rerun of the show they already did, which was actually very funny for Dr and the Medics and Norman Greenbaum, both one-hit wonders with the same song of course. -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tigger > Sent: 18 January 2001 17:20 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: TV appearance? > > > I haven't seen any date yet for when the channel 4 prog featuring HW is > going to be on, the last I heard it was going to be one of those 'top > 10' programmes. For anyone who hasn't heard about it yet, Channel 4s new > channel E4, which starts broadcasting today on Sky/Cable/OnDigital has a > 'Top Ten' show on Saturday at 7:30. It's the Top 10 'one-hit wonders', > and since they only had a big hit with Silver Machine, this may well be > the show. > -- > David Blair > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 12:55:30 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:55:30 GMT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 2001 to 18 Jan 2001 (#2001-24) In-Reply-To: Stuckey, Robert's message of Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: Stuckey, Robert writes: > FOFP writes: > >> > > >> >> Yes the Lakes are there for a reason. Its bloomin raining ;-) > >> > > >> >I defy anywhere in the UK to rain more than Glasters '98. > >> > > >> >FoFP > >> > >> How about Glasters '97? > > > >Having braved both of 'em I definitely reckon that '98 wins for wetness. > > > >FoFP > > I think psychologically '97 was worse because you knew what to expect > by the time of '98, and were certainly more prepared!! > .......and I had a better tent in '98. :-) In '98, when it rained on the Friday for 24 hours, it was coming down so fast at one point that even at the top of the Greenfields it was just washing down the whole hill. Even with putting our sleeping bags on carry mats on a pile of newspapers it soaked through the flysheet, the newspapers and two carrymats to soak us in our sleeping bags. There were 5 tents around us who arrived about 9pm on the Friday night. They huddled in the tents all night drinking whisky and whining. Then by 10am the next day they'd gone home, abandoning the 5 soaked tents, several soaked sleeping bags, and 11 empty bottles of whisky. We wandered around in Cagouls and wellies for 4 days. Highlight was definitely Global in the Greepeace field. Having done 1985, 1997 and 1998, I'd really like not to have to do another wet year there. Whatever happened to that lovely sunshine we got throughout the early 90's? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 18 12:07:44 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:07:44 EDT Subject: TV appearance? , <> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Jan 01, at 17:33, Andy Gilham wrote: > I think that's a rerun of the show they already did, which was > actually very funny for Dr and the Medics and Norman Greenbaum, both > one-hit wonders with the same song of course. > Hate to quibble, but didn't Norm have another song that was successful, though obv. not to the extent of Spirit in the Sky? I'm thinking of a title now, but I'm going to demur until <> has a chance to chip in... theo From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Thu Jan 18 13:33:48 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:33:48 -0000 Subject: TV appearance? , <> In-Reply-To: <200101181807.NAA26183@syr.edu> Message-ID: Not according to the programme I saw! ;) Actually, bear in mind it's a British programme, he might have had another hit in the USA and it wouldn't count. Probably. But he did recount playing a forty-minute set, consisting of, well, a forty-minute version of "Spirit in the Sky." -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Ted Jackson jr. > Sent: 18 January 2001 17:08 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: TV appearance? , <> > > > On 18 Jan 01, at 17:33, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > I think that's a rerun of the show they already did, which was > > actually very funny for Dr and the Medics and Norman Greenbaum, both > > one-hit wonders with the same song of course. > > > Hate to quibble, but didn't Norm have another song that was > successful, though obv. not to the extent of Spirit in the Sky? > I'm thinking of a title now, but I'm going to demur until <> has a > chance to chip in... > > theo > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 18 13:42:50 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:42:50 GMT Subject: Who posted crit of the weird CD's sound? Message-ID: Someone posted re this and a piece of equipment they'd been using to adjust the sound for themselves. I was very interested at the time to ask about that piece of equipment but too busy in the runup to xmas. As I've lost the post, I'd be grateful if they could get in touch or post more details here. Cheers Mike From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jan 18 13:54:39 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:54:39 EST Subject: TV appearance? , <> Message-ID: In a message dated 1/18/01 1:08:07 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > I think that's a rerun of the show they already did, which was > actually very funny for Dr and the Medics and Norman Greenbaum, both > one-hit wonders with the same song of course. > Hate to quibble, but didn't Norm have another song that was successful, though obv. not to the extent of Spirit in the Sky? I'm thinking of a title now, but I'm going to demur until <> has a chance to chip in... >> =============== hi there y'all ol' norm first hit the charts in '66, as part of...of...some jug band .but the song was 'the eggplant that ate chicago'. this in contrast to whatever it was 'who/that ate Cincinnati'...at about the same time. but yeah, the follow-up to 'spirit in the sky' was 'canned ham'; i saw him on 'bandstand' plugging it. he did at least 2 lp's on reprise... recently i've heard radio ads for a 'boston music' cd, and 'spirit in the sky' is one of the selexions, alongside 'just what i needed', 'more than a feeling','dirty water' j.geils, etc etc. "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 18 13:28:47 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:28:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: TV appearance? , <> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Jan 01, at 13:54, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > hi there y'all > > ol' norm first hit the charts in '66, as part of...of...some jug band > .but the song was 'the eggplant that ate chicago'. this in contrast to > whatever it was 'who/that ate Cincinnati'...at about the same time. > > but yeah, the follow-up to 'spirit in the sky' was 'canned ham'; That's the one... i saw > him on 'bandstand' plugging it. > What was the Bandstand clone syndicated TV show originating in, maybe, Detroit, or Cleveland? I'm thinking it was called Upbeat or some such. They had Canned Heat on every other week doing a silly lip-synch of Goin Up the Country. Also our beloved Frijid Pink, the Illusion. Great show! Hosted by some Dick-Clark-light-wannabe who favored Nehru jackets. <>, you must've seen this show? > he did at least 2 lp's on reprise... > > recently i've heard radio ads for a 'boston music' cd, and 'spirit in > the sky' is one of the selexions, alongside 'just what i needed', > 'more than a feeling','dirty water' j.geils, etc etc. Well, that's just heresy, if you ask me. We both know that the Boss- Town sound was thrust forward by the likes of the Ultimate Spinach! Can you remember any others in the ill-fated, contrived 'genre?' theo From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jan 18 14:32:00 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:00 -0000 Subject: Who posted crit of the weird CD's sound? Message-ID: Can't remember who posted it, but the device in question was an Aphex Aural Exciter (as mentioned in Bob Calvert's book, 'Hype'). These retail in the UK for about ?140.00. If you're into software, there are lots of lovely tools you can get which do a similar thing but with more flexibility. Try PSP's Mix Saturator, Prosoniq's Dynasone, dB-Audioware's Exciter etc. These are proffessional packages that studios use to enhance the sound of recordings prior to mastering. Rather like the Aphex, they work by introducing subtle amounts of distortion, which has the effect of making the music sound brighter, louder and more powerful. Hence the reason why Hi-Fi amplifiers with the lowest distortion figures don't always sound the best, and why guitarists like valves. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: Who posted crit of the weird CD's sound? > Someone posted re this and a piece of equipment they'd been using to > adjust the sound for themselves. I was very interested at the time to > ask about that piece of equipment but too busy in the runup to xmas. As > I've lost the post, I'd be grateful if they could get in touch or post > more details here. > > Cheers > > Mike From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Jan 18 15:11:10 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:11:10 +0000 Subject: Who posted crit of the weird CD's sound? In-Reply-To: <008701c08185$54a4e4e0$bd1828d5@starfield> Message-ID: In article <008701c08185$54a4e4e0$bd1828d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >Can't remember who posted it, Me >but the device in question was an Aphex Aural >Exciter (as mentioned in Bob Calvert's book, 'Hype'). These retail in the UK >for about ?140.00. and Spirit Folio Racpac mixer, zoom 1204FX, Nikko EQ, and the latest addition Behringer Ultrafex Pro enhancer/exciter/surround processor (which is far better than the Aphex, good though that is). The Behringer, apart from being more versatile, is also cheaper http://www.kingfish.demon.co.uk/ have them for ?99 Full specs of the device available at http://www.behringer.de/eng/products/enhancer/ex3200.htm >If you're into software, there are lots of lovely tools you can get which do >a similar thing but with more flexibility. Try PSP's Mix Saturator, >Prosoniq's Dynasone, dB-Audioware's Exciter etc. These are proffessional >packages that studios use to enhance the sound of recordings prior to >mastering. Rather like the Aphex, they work by introducing subtle amounts of >distortion, Do you know of anything similar that will _remove_ unwanted distortion? (Like where the tape level's been set too high?) > which has the effect of making the music sound brighter, louder >and more powerful. Specifically, the 'distortion' introduced by an exciter is upper frequency harmonics. If you've ever heard a recording that sounds like it was recorded through a layer of cotton wool, dull and lifeless, the exciter gives you the sound without the cotton wool. >Hence the reason why Hi-Fi amplifiers with the lowest distortion figures >don't always sound the best, and why guitarists like valves. > >Captain Bl at ck That's always puzzled me - what's the advantage of having an amp that only produces 0.001% distortion compared to one that produces 0.01%? None, anything less than 0.1% is inaudible. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: M Holmes >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:42 PM >Subject: Who posted crit of the weird CD's sound? > > >> Someone posted re this and a piece of equipment they'd been using to >> adjust the sound for themselves. I was very interested at the time to >> ask about that piece of equipment but too busy in the runup to xmas. As >> I've lost the post, I'd be grateful if they could get in touch or post >> more details here. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mike > -- David Blair From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Jan 18 15:06:24 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:06:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Sax Message-ID: Has anyone identified the sax/flute player at the Christmas gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"<>" ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path >> From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Jan 18 16:20:19 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:20:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Sax Message-ID: Jez Huggett. ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: HW: Astoria Sax Has anyone identified the sax/flute player at the Christmas gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Jan 19 07:59:54 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:59:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: TV appearance? , <> Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > Well, that's just heresy, if you ask me. We both know that the Boss- > Town sound was thrust forward by the likes of the Ultimate Spinach! > Can you remember any others in the ill-fated, contrived 'genre?' Well, remember the Bosstown Sound was contrived by MGM after they missed out on all the San Francisco bands. I guess the corporate thinking was pick some other town and sign-up all the bands before the other labels know what hit 'em. The amusing thing is that other labels did follow. If I'm remembering correctly, MGM had the Ultimate Spinach, the Beacon Street Union, and Orpheus. Elektra had Earth Opera, and Philips had Phulph. After the Bosstown Sound fizzled out (although Orpheus did have a national hit with "Can't Find The Time To Tell You", not that you can hear the band under all the added strings), MGM decided that rather than having to finance bands and their recordings, it would be cheaper to just license already recorded albums and launched a new subsidiary label to release some "hot" German bands. The first release was Amon Duul's _Psychedelic Underground_. I remember there were others on that label, but I'm not sure which: maybe a Birth Control album? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 09:06:35 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:06:35 EST Subject: OFF: Re: TV appearance? , <> Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/01 8:02:07 AM, mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU writes: << Well, remember the Bosstown Sound was contrived by MGM after they missed out on all the San Francisco bands. I guess the corporate thinking was pick some other town and sign-up all the bands before the other labels know what hit 'em. The amusing thing is that other labels did follow. If I'm remembering correctly, MGM had the Ultimate Spinach, the Beacon Street Union, and Orpheus. Elektra had Earth Opera, and Philips had Phulph. After the Bosstown Sound fizzled out (although Orpheus did have a national hit with "Can't Find The Time To Tell You", not that you can hear the band under all the added strings), MGM decided that rather than having to finance bands and their recordings, it would be cheaper to just license already recorded albums and launched a new subsidiary label to release some "hot" German bands. The first release was Amon Duul's _Psychedelic Underground_. I remember there were others on that label, but I'm not sure which: maybe a Birth Control album? >> ==== the 'bosstown sound' on mgm came by way of mike curb... who had a hit ca. 70-71 w/his 'congregation' called 'burning bridges'... but mr curb decided to disassociate mgm from the 'drug music', hence the departure of eric burdon and war to name one; this one wonders about the amon duul lp and this label-on-the-side having an association w/curb... and *wasnt the rotary connection part of the bosstown sound too? a 'traffic rotary' being a feature of boston area traffic [to this day]...and i believe the late minnie ripperton came from this band, which recorded on...cotillion? and chevy chase had been the drummer on one of those boss-town bands...not sure which. as for the orpheus hit, i believe someone else [the lettermen?] covered it to a more successful degree than the original... === spring training in less than a month... "<>" From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 19 10:58:15 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:58:15 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead heard on WWF Message-ID: Hey, I was watching a tape of "Raw" last night, the Mon night WWF program on TNN, and wrestler Triple H's new theme song is a Motorhead tune. I don't know which, I just recognized Lemmy's voice: "I am the game you don't wanna play...", etc (Triple H's nickname is "The Game"). Is this on a new album? Was it composed for Triple H or did WWF just decide that it fit? shamelessly a big fan of many WWF theme-tunes (mostly composed and performed by their own "music-guy"), Chuck From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 19 11:55:46 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:55:46 +0200 Subject: HW:Lemmy Message-ID: Hi! Lemmy and Mot?rhead is on VH-1 channel tonight Friday Rock Show program. I bealive it?s from Mot?rhead reunion gig! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Jan 20 05:33:51 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:33:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins comic for trade Message-ID: I have a spare color copy of the "Codename Hawkwind: Sonic Assassins" comic that rab in Frendz in the early 70s for trade for a HW tape. If anyone is interested let me know. Chr. ObCD: Voivod - Phobos From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Jan 20 05:40:52 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:40:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Chaos Delight Message-ID: Got this over the holidays and it gets frequent play. Good stuff.. The first half rocks more than the second half (Theme From UFO drags it down IMO), but highly recommended overall. I only have Captured Rotation to judge it up against which is a whole world apart anyway though excellent as well. So anyone haver a spare copy of Bedouin for trade/sale? Chr. ObCDR: JFK Jr. Royal Airforce From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 20 09:02:04 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:02:04 EST Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins comic for trade Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/01 5:37:34 AM, christmu at EUNET.NO writes: << I have a spare color copy of the "Codename Hawkwind: Sonic Assassins" comic that rab in Frendz in the early 70s for trade for a HW tape. If anyone is interested let me know. Chr. >> Dear Christian, Hello, Eli Friedman here. How are you? I would be interested in a trade for the comic. I have a number of Hawkwind shows on video, which I am able to make high quality copies in either NTSC or PAL video formats. I have several shows from the US 1997 tour, including Strange Daze festival with guest Nik Turner, as well as New York and Chicago from this tour. I also have some videos from Nik Turner's 1994 tour. I would offer you videos of two shows for the comic. Let me know if this is of any interest to you. I do also have a small handful of good audio tapes, but I think the videos are more special. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Yours truly, Eli Friedman From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 20 09:48:21 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:18:21 +1030 Subject: hi Message-ID: Hello Hawk friends Have a nice Day/Night(?) Peace Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 20 09:56:10 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:56:10 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: Finally got a separate CD recorder to burn tapes and vinyl to CD (i.e analog,) without tedious mucking about in hyperspace. Whilst I can get 650 Meg discs cheap enough, 30 odd p, a 74 min audio blank is the princely sum of 88p at Protape, the cheapest I found so far. Can anyone point me at anywhere cheaper, in the UK ideally. Now all I gotta do is find someone with a stack of live Ash Ra Tempel tapes to trade to me.... -- Jon From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 20 10:41:51 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:41:51 EST Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins comic for trade Message-ID: Dear List People, Sorry about that last post in response to C. Mumford's offer of the comic up for trade. It was obviously meant to be an off list communication, and I lost sight of the list header. Sorry about that everybody. Yours, Eli Friedman From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jan 20 11:28:06 2001 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (Mark Robertson) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:28:06 -0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: Jessops do a 10 pack of 80 minute blanks for ?7.90 if thats any help. You can try there site www.jessops.com or ask in any of their shops. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Browne" To: Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? > Finally got a separate CD recorder to burn tapes and vinyl to CD (i.e > analog,) without tedious mucking about in hyperspace. Whilst I can get > 650 Meg discs cheap enough, 30 odd p, a 74 min audio blank is the > princely sum of 88p at Protape, the cheapest I found so far. > Can anyone point me at anywhere cheaper, in the UK ideally. > > Now all I gotta do is find someone with a stack of live Ash Ra Tempel > tapes to trade to me.... > -- > Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 20 11:57:47 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:57:47 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: <000d01c082fd$f928a0a0$83cd193e@fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <000d01c082fd$f928a0a0$83cd193e at fsnet.co.uk>, Mark Robertson writes >Jessops do a 10 pack of 80 minute blanks for ?7.90 if thats any help. >You can try there site www.jessops.com or ask in any of their shops. >Mark good one, Mark, cheers! any improvement on 79p? :) -- Jon From nick at NETPHD.NET Sat Jan 20 15:42:51 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:42:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead heard on WWF In-Reply-To: <45.132c24c.2799be17@aol.com> Message-ID: Quoting Chuck Rosenberg : > Hey, I was watching a tape of "Raw" last night, the Mon night WWF program > on > TNN, and wrestler Triple H's new theme song is a Motorhead tune. I don't > know > which, I just recognized Lemmy's voice: "I am the game you don't wanna > play...", etc (Triple H's nickname is "The Game"). Is this on a new album? > Was it composed for Triple H or did WWF just decide that it fit? A friend who knows what a Motorhead fanatic I am tipped me off to this. He says the song will indeed be on the next WWF music CD. . . which would probably make it worth buying for me. --Nick From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Jan 20 19:44:09 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:44:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins comic trade Message-ID: My two copies have been traded off so no more emails please. Chr. ObCD: Sisters of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Jan 20 19:59:26 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:59:26 -0600 Subject: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 Message-ID: Hi, just hoping somebody here has some information on this gig. (Just finished mastering from cassette to cdr): Sweet Smoke Festival, Tilleburg, Holland either 7/9/96 or else 9/7/96 I am not sure which date is correct, and I am not sure I have the city spelled correctly. Thanks! Bryan From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 20 20:04:15 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:04:15 EST Subject: hi Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/01 9:47:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > Hello Hawk friends > > Have a nice Day/Night(?) > > Peace > > Michael Blackman > > > > Not too bad, Mr. B! 8 hours OT at work (cha-ching!), no word yet on the 12-string geetar I ordered (90 day wait isn't quite up yet), but on the other hand, the CDs what I ordered from the G-Man (of the Andy variety) at CDS came in, so I is a happy Hawk fan. Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Jan 20 21:19:33 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:19:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Third World War Message-ID: I'm just getting very high and grooving to this CD by this band. Originally out in 1971 on Fly Records, rereleased on CD by Reportoire. Heavy political punk/metal with a groove that should appeal to all fans of HW and BOC. They put out a second LP which wasn't nearly as good... Anyone else into this band? Chr. ObCD: Misfits - Misfits From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 20 21:25:48 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:25:48 +0000 Subject: HW: a question of past members In-Reply-To: <005701c06350$950d8a80$453b70c2@merlinas> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, David Bottomley wrote: > Jon wrote: > > > How entirely confusing. After Keith Hale left in 1980 there was no > >new keyboardist until Frederick Reeves the Earl of Essex in 1983, because > >as Dave says in the _Sonic Attack_ liner, "Harvey and me could do it". Or > >am I wrong? My initial conclusion would be that whoever this extra member > >was he was so awful that Dave decided they'd be better off without a > >keyboard player :-) > > No, but according to Kris's "This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic", in mid-81 (in > the wake of Keith Hale & Ginger's departure) "A friend of Huw's, Tim, > stepped in as keyboard player, but during rehearsals it gradually became > apparent that he, also, was not suitable". So maybe that's the one? > > BTW, the "also" in this quote refers in part to one of the drummers they > were using during these rehearsals - Robbie Dobson (ex-Enid). Now there's a > thought - do the most dedicated of Completists feel the need to trawl > through the back catalogue of The Enid? Rather you than me.............. I think, if it's all right with anyone who's bothered, I'll leave these two *off* the members list and stuff I'm keeping; but I'm intrigued to know more about this friend of Huw's. Who was he; does anyone know more than the above? -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 20 21:40:43 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:40:43 +0000 Subject: HW:Dave Grinning In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010108223702.02486360@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010108223702.02486360 at kommsrv.rz.unibw- muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht writes >Hi, > >>You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was the >>Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but Huw used >>a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. > >Harvey used an Fender P bass most of the time AFAIK. Knew I'd seen it somewhere - there's a pic of Harvey complete with Westone bass inside the Sonic Attack tour program -- David Blair From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 20 21:52:18 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:52:18 +0000 Subject: HW: _Spacebrock_ Message-ID: Dear All, a review I wrote which will be going up on that BBS I mentioned last time... Forgive the notes for those who don't know much about HW. Subject: Hawkwind - _Spacebrock_ "This is now the latest Hawkwind album, although up until a few months ago it was supposed to be Dave Brock's _Hawkwind Brockspace_ and before that it was titled _Sex Dreams_. What Dave Brock, Hawkwind's only remaining original member and at times the only person you can safely say is in the group, is up to is therefore anyones guess but what it all means is that this is in fact a Brock solo album under the Hawkwind label. Now, Brock isn't the same as Hawkwind no matter what fans will say - Hawkwind has always been a rock group in some form or other, even if its contribution to electronica has not been minor, but Brock, as is clear from interviews, thinks of himself primarily as an electronic musician these days, a player of synth and sequencer rather than a guitarist (which he also still is). "Furthermore, a lot of the stuff on here has come out before which makes me suspicious that the material for a Brock retrospective called _`76-`96_ that never appeared has been recycled. In two cases this is perhaps forgivable - `Life Form', the opener, is not only good as far as synth stuff goes but is from the long-OOP _P.X.R.5_; similarly `Burn Me Up', another of Brock's better songs under his own name, is on an obscure compilation which only the real fan has, and maybe it deserved better exposure: it has also had an extra synth line added which does enhance it slightly. Even `Some People Never Die', which is actually a very good proto-techno track, is on the OOP _Church of Hawkwind_, although it did come out on the shiny nice official _Epoch-Eclipse_ compilation only last year. But this isn't true of all of it. `Kauai' is not a great piece of synth atmospheric, and it was released on _Distant Horizons_, last album but one. `1st Landing' is based on a poem of Robert Calvert's which Hawkwind used to perform as a spoken-word track, called `The Awakening'. It came out on the last album, _In Your Area_, reworked as `1st Landing on Medusa, which was the title of another of Calvert's poems, none of whose words were included. Dave Brock performed this at the Hawkestra anniversary gig in September with that poem tacked on the end, as one connected piece, and here the lyrics are given for both halves. What's actually on the CD is however exactly the same piece as on _In Your Area_, for which I can't see any excuse. "So, there's one third of the album written off already. Next (not in order but in the reviewers mind) comes the more creative recycling: `The Right Way' is the extra synth line and sample added to `Burn Me Up' repeated twice, and `To Be Or Not' is the sample and Dave's half of the backing to a sequencer track from 1995's _Alien4_, `Kapal', with new stuff added over the top. 10 tracks remaining then and so far only two new synth lines and a few samples that are actually new. "Then, there are two things which look like recycling but arent. `Earth Calling' was the title of an atmospheric intro Hawkwind used in the early 70s, and here is something under that name, but it's entirely new apart from the one line, `This is Earth calling' - moreover it has a riff, and a good one, which really picks up your hopes before disintegrating into randomness and electronic burbling after a minute and a half. But still, a flash of the good stuff. `The Journey' is also unrelated to the track of the same name from _Alien4_ and is thankfully not as clunky and ill-formed as that one either though its otherwise unmemorable sequencer patterning. "There is then a small cluster of what I think of as typical solo Brock. The song fades in, sets up its patterns as they swirl out of the generator noise, and develops vocals about otherworldly romance, then it sort of slows to a halt at the bridge and chunters off again once the patterns are allowed to resume and fades out. `Burn Me Up' is I feel about as good as solo Brock gets, and though it's often entertaining to work on what he is trying to get across in the songs (`Dreamers' here is scripted in the liner, with stage directions for how to interpret the virtuoso lines, one of which isn't actually audible), I'm not prepared to say I like them more than a little bit. `Sex Dreams' and `Do You Want this Body?' are towards the techno end of Brock's work, and I quite like `Sex Dreams' as far as it goes, which is a sample and some patterns which blend quite nicely. The latter is inoffensive. `Space Pilots' is someone else's techno work; whoever `Liquid Groove' may be (s)he gets the credit for all work on the song in the liner (so whats it doing here? is it a Hawkwind member under a pseudonym? If so who?), and that's more `fashionable' but still nothing special. "Three tracks left, then, all clustered together on the disk. First, `The Starkness of the Capsule', is referencing a line from `The Awakening' but is otherwise different, and is marked in the liner as `Pressing You'. It is an odd track, not so much musically, though it's definitely one of Brock's more experimental tracks, without a particular structure, but it's the vocals - they're wild. It must be Dave but it sounds unearthly. This is good stuff. But its followed by `Behind the Face', and for oddness this just leaves the rest behind. Odd words from I think two different perspectives, varying from theatrical to inaudible - vaguely reggae synth lines with vocals wandering all over the place - layered over with quite appalling violin played that way for effect. What is he on about? What is he *on*? This is a track which I cannot get near, and anyone else's opinion will probably be more use. And then, at last, 13th out of 17, `Space Brock', a genuine authentic space-rock blanga piece! Riffs, swoosh, sparkly lead guitar (Dave can actually play if you leave him alone and don't expect him to do it in front of people), its very good! Not great maybe but a worthy addition to anyone's collection and better than much else, that's for sure. "But, do two very good tracks, another half of one, a couple of techno pieces, four songs-to-order and a truly odd piece of reggae, combined with a mini-Brock-best-of, an album make? Well, I'd say no, really. Certainly not a Hawkwind one. One asks oneself have there been worse Hawkwind albums, and really, only _In Your Area_ springs to mind and that has some pretty good live stuff on it. It's hard to say any of it's bad, but most of it isn't very interesting, and it hangs together very badly. `Spacebrock', `Starkness' and `Earth Calling' are good stuff and with `Sex Dreams' and a couple of other bits, dragged out, would have been worth the price of entry if they were all it was, short but good. The extra stuff is filler, and it damps down the whole package. That package does come with a cool liner, and what I've finally decided is a top cover, but still. I'll only give it one more for that. 10/20" -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 20 21:53:52 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:53:52 +0000 Subject: an ozrics question In-Reply-To: <005801c07d79$ab41b9a0$3361883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, bedroom trancer wrote: > what was the acute disagreement with the label? Now that I don't know, I'm afraid. I would hazard a guess but it would be wrong, most likely, and probably actionable. Sorry... Yours, Jon > >On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > >> Between what you and Richard mentioned, the bottom line on the 'Spice > Doubt' > >> CD is that, techically, it is rare. We would love to get hold of a box > full > >> at CDS. > >> Basically what happened was that it came out very suddenly, with no > >> pre-promotion and as a limited edition. Because it was a one-off deal > >> between the label and the band, with proceeds being shared, the > distributor > >> was not the normal one and most outlets failed to get any because by the > >> time they found out about it, and who on earth was selling it, the > >> distributors (Telstar Leisure as they were known) had sold out, We > shifted a > >> load, but supplies literally lasted about two weeks and then it was gone. > I > >> recently spoke to the Ozrics camp about this and about 7500 were presed > of > >> which over healf went to the USA on export, and they reckon that someone > >> somewhere is still sitting on a whole stack of the CD's. Ironically, > also, > >> the group have never been paid one red cent by the label for the run of > 7500 > >> that were all sold - familiar story????? > > > > There's a little bit more to the story than normal in this case, > >in that the Ozrics probably would have been paid by Snapper had they not > >voided their contract shortly after its release due to an acute > >disagreement with the label. This means that Sanpper are no longer obliged > >to hold to their side either, meaning the Ozrics don't get paid any > >royalties for any future sales of _Curious Corn_ or _Waterfall Cities_, or > >any at all for _Spice Doubt_ or _Swirly Termination_, or indeed the > >Floating Seeds_ remixes. There have been debates on > >alt.fan.ozric-tentacles about whether or not to buy the things, or whether > >instead just to tree them on a massive scale and send a quid or two to the > >band. Attempts were being made to get the band to get Blim to produce > >alternative artwork for these releases so that the fans could pay the band > >for something but I never saw anything come together on that. > > > > But basically, everything between _Become The Other_ and _Hidden > >Step_ is feeding Snapper and their employees and no-one else (except the > >webcast label in the case of _Spice Doubt_). Yours, > > Jon > > > >P.S. Snapper had just got the whole Ozrics back catalogue too but I > >believe the Ozrics got to take that with them. Does anyone know that for > >sure? > >-- > > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > ===================================================================== > > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > > > -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 20 22:04:51 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:04:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria In-Reply-To: <007701c07d7b$21a6c1c0$3361883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, bedroom trancer wrote: > i think your assuming quite a bit there, maybe huw didn't want to play as he > might of heard some of the negative feedback of this mailing list? > > anyway huw played a blinder during his solo set Well, I think there's a lot of problems with that. Firstly, Huw doesn't post here - when LLG info makes it to BOC-L it comes from someone, I forget who, who forwards it from his wife Marion. So I doubt very much that he read anything we posted. If he heard about it it would either be through that person, if he knows Huw, or through Dave Brock. In either case BOC-L weren't the whole crowd at the Astoria and we don't control the band, and I'd very surprised if someone of Huw's vintage in show business would let a bad review or two stop him playing his next show if he were offered it. I think Dave wanted to be running the show, so, no original members. But that's just my opinion and that's all it's good for. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett 103 Hobart Road, jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge 01223 514989 CB1 3PT ---------------------------------------------------------- "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Jan 21 03:16:11 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:16:11 +0100 Subject: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 In-Reply-To: <006901c08345$67c63940$2073a58e@pavilion> Message-ID: At 18:59 20.01.2001 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, just hoping somebody here has some information on this gig. (Just >finished mastering from cassette to cdr): > >Sweet Smoke Festival, Tilleburg, Holland >either 7/9/96 or else 9/7/96 > >I am not sure which date is correct, and I am not sure I have the city >spelled correctly. Tilburg, Sweet Smoke Festival (Netherlands) 07. September 1996 Bernhard From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 21 06:14:05 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:14:05 -0500 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: Hey Now! For you HAWKFANS in the states.... I have been getting my blank discs at Tape Warehouse in Atlanta..... I get MITSUI Silvers for $.60 each. No too bad! Got to: www.tapewarehouse.com or call 1-800-659-8273 If you call, ask for Scott and tell him Darrin in Jacksonville sent ya! Peace, D np: Frog Brigade 8/17/00 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Jan 21 06:52:48 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:52:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Total Rock Message-ID: A long shot, but is there anyone out there who can either do me a CD-R or a good tape of next Saturday's Total Rock Astoria gig? Unfortunately the ivory towers of Castle Black aren't equipped with satellite reception, and Internet reception here is lousy. I'm lucky if I can get 21.6K connection speed. Muchos Gracios Captain Bl at ck. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Jan 21 07:22:27 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:22:27 -0000 Subject: HW: Total Rock Message-ID: I'm going to try and listen to the show through realplayer while trying to record it using cool edit pro, but i have a max of 4k a second download speed so it will be interesting to see what happens. IS there any other ways of recording music streamed straight to your pc??? colm ICQ: 62753543 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Captain Bl at ck >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Date: 21 January 2001 11:56 >Subject: HW: Total Rock > > >>A long shot, but is there anyone out there who can either do me a CD-R or a >>good tape of next Saturday's Total Rock Astoria gig? >> >>Unfortunately the ivory towers of Castle Black aren't equipped with >>satellite reception, and Internet reception here is lousy. I'm lucky if I >>can get 21.6K connection speed. >> >>Muchos Gracios >> >>Captain Bl at ck. >> > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Jan 21 09:09:19 2001 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:09:19 +0100 Subject: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 Message-ID: Well the date is certainly right Bernhard as I was there and it was a gig to remember. Must say one of the worst as they hadn't have enough electricity and in the gig the Hawks had to choose between sound or light.Really chaos,although Alan played a superbe bass solo. The nicest thing I remember from the Sweet Smoke was Ron Tree selling Hawkwind t-shirts in the audience (out of his skull) It was hilarious!! Also my brother in law smoking for the first time forbidden substances and laughing for an hour about a little stone that was lying there (now that was hilarious!!) Ron Tree giving my a ultra rare t-shirt (only 20 made) ,he had it on for 3 days and Dave Brock telling him he had to put on another,as he smelled.We went to the van where the merchandise t-shirts were and he put a new one and just throw the smelly one on my shoulder,just saying:"You can have this one". Alan Davey getting me out of my skull (Well,what can I tell,we were in Forbitten Substance Walhalla).Must say I quit after that gig (I was really to far gone for some time,and I really can't cope with it).So not more of that stuff for me Dave Brock and Ron Tree giving me the skater-helmet that was used during the "Love In Space"-tour. You can see the helmet on the "Love In Space" 2lp/2cd.It's the photo where Ron is wearing a white space-suit and has a helmet on his head.The photo is taken under blacklights.It's the photo on the upper right. Yes,girls and boys,I really have the original helmet. Another bummer was that Porcupine Tree was announced,but didn't show up. Normally,as they didn't knew about the gig anyhow (as informed later). Also seeing Dave Brock getting into the van and driving off as he was pissed as hell after that bad gig. Anyhow,I would like a copy of that one,as I was there. e-mail me privately: filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be greetings filip hawknut p.s.:I saw some 5 or 6 people filming on video.Do you know someone who has some ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 > At 18:59 20.01.2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi, just hoping somebody here has some information on this gig. (Just > >finished mastering from cassette to cdr): > > > >Sweet Smoke Festival, Tilleburg, Holland > >either 7/9/96 or else 9/7/96 > > > >I am not sure which date is correct, and I am not sure I have the city > >spelled correctly. > > Tilburg, Sweet Smoke Festival (Netherlands) > 07. September 1996 > > > > Bernhard From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 21 10:31:04 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:31:04 +0000 Subject: HW: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > Dear All, > a review I wrote An unforgiving critic you are sir! However I didn't know 'You Burn Me Up' and 'To Be Or Not' were also remakes, that does take some of the gloss off. I still like this album, then again I like most of 'In Your Area' (which you flag as your least favourite HW album) too... 'Xenon Codex' and- especially- 'Space Bandits' were the low points for me. 'Spacebrock' certainly is rather fragmentary but at any given moment there's usually *something* interesting going on, at least that's the way it sounds to me. And I do think it hangs together as an album, at least it's a better album than the sum of the individual tracks. Anyway each to his own. This recycling of old material is getting too much though. If Alan should rejoin on a more permanent basis, HW may yet have another creative renaissance, otherwise I fear the end may be nigh... but every time I've feared the worst before, they've bounced back with a storming new album, so I'm hoping this can happen again. The fact that they're able to rework old tracks so effectively in a live setting (think of the mutations 'Hassan I Sabbah' has been through over the years, and the version played at the Astoria was the best ever IMHO) implies there's still creative juice left in the old warhorse. -- Nick Medford From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Sun Jan 21 11:05:49 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:05:49 +0000 Subject: HW: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15.31 +0000 21.1.2001, Nick Medford wrote: >I still like this album, then again I like most of 'In Your Area' (which >you flag >as your least favourite HW album) too... I haven't been overly-impressed with what I've heard of _In Your Area_. It has some moments, but only moments, really. >'Xenon Codex' and- especially- >'Space Bandits' were the low points for me. Gee, I actually kinda dig _Xenon Codex_, though I'll agree most of _Space Bandits is pretty weak. That said, I think "Images" rocks, and the later live versions of "Out of the Shadows" were some of Hawkwind's best moments since the early 70s. Bedouin's version of "Wings" is quite good too. >'Spacebrock' certainly is rather >fragmentary Quite. There are some good bits, just not as many as we know Brock is capable of when he puts is mind to it. >This recycling of old material is getting too much though. Quite. >If Alan should >rejoin on a more permanent basis, HW may yet have another creative >renaissance, Well, as long as Alan can stop imagining that he's Lemmy and just get on with being a bass player influenced by Lemmy. The latter is good, the former bad (unless you are Lemmy, which few people are). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 21 11:12:11 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:12:11 -0500 Subject: Off: DVD-Audio Message-ID: Hey Now! I found this information pretty interesting and thought that I would pass it on... Darrin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emerson Lake and Palmer/Brain Salad Surgery ....DVD-Audio New DVD Audio version of Brain Salad Surgery Helps Launch Historic New Audio Format! Warner Music Group (WMG) becomes the first of the major music companies to offer albums in the DVD-Audio format. The new format, which features Advanced Resolution(TM), multi-channel audio that dramatically enhances the listening experience, is the most significant industry format launch since the introduction of the CD nearly twenty years ago. Among the first releases are ELP's classic, Brain Salad Surgery! All of the recordings have been remixed from the original masters to take advantage of the optimal surround and stereo sound quality. All albums released from WMG labels will offer consumers the flexibility of being able to be played in three ways: first, in Advanced Resolution surround sound; second, in Advanced Resolution stereo; and third, for those who own a DVD-Video player but have not yet upgraded to DVD-Audio, DVD-Video compatible Dolby? Digital surround. This last feature will enable the discs to be played in the nearly 10 million DVD-Video players already in U.S. homes. With a sampling rate and bit depth that at least doubles the resolution for the current CD standard, DVD-Audio discs deliver sound quality that is significantly closer to the master recording than is possible with CDs. Beyond this enhanced listening experience, DVD-Audio discs offer many other unique features to increase the enjoyment of this new format: in addition to brief DVD-Video quality music videos and artist commentary, when played on new DVD-Audio players, ``visual menus'' with remote navigation may also offer access to ``photo gallery'' still pictures, artist bios, discography and credits or song lyrics viewable during Advanced Resolution playback. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jan 21 11:31:33 2001 From: blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (blueskin69) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:31:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Total Rock Message-ID: My brother is going to record it for me off satellite but not having a CD-R it will have to be a tape so if your intrested E-Mail me personally. Cheers. Gordon. "Captain Bl at ck" wrote: > A long shot, but is there anyone out there who can either do me a CD-R or a > good tape of next Saturday's Total Rock Astoria gig? > > Unfortunately the ivory towers of Castle Black aren't equipped with > satellite reception, and Internet reception here is lousy. I'm lucky if I > can get 21.6K connection speed. > > Muchos Gracios > > Captain Bl at ck. From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jan 21 11:44:18 2001 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:44:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: my Ob Message-ID: I wrote: >ObCD: Sisters of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake (Note: this has nothing to do with anyone operating close to or even in conjunction with any kind of clergy or institution.) Anyway, Chr. ObCD: Gwar - Hell-O From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Jan 21 11:53:43 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:53:43 -0600 Subject: HW: Total Rock (was Re: Total Rock) Message-ID: Yeah, you want to use Totalrecorder to get true digital recording without having to go from digital-->analog-->digital. But then with your connection speed it will be full of gaps, and it will be a painstakingly tedious job to edit those out manually. I also heard somebody talking about another such program called asfrecorder or something like that, but I have never used it. And then there's Voquette, which is kind of similar but it saves streamed audio as mp3 files. And unlike Totalrecorder, it will *not* save anything that is not "save enabled" when they encoded it. (Save enabled means that when the source encoded the music to realaudio or whatever, they checked a box allowing users to save the complete file to their hard drive. Then anybody with the deluxe version of RealPlayer (anybody that paid to register the thing instead of using the free player) can save the file to their hard drive. And I think that's why Voquette let me record some files and not some others, because it must also follow the guidelines that RealPlayer follows if you try to save it.) Bryan PS: When is this broadcast taking place? And is it pay-per-view? I have a satellite downlink, so I can get pretty good streaming rates at times, and I've used TotalRecorder enough to know what it can do and what it can't... ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:22 AM Subject: HW: Total Rock > I'm going to try and listen to the show through realplayer while trying to > record it using cool edit pro, but i have a max of 4k a second download > speed so it will be interesting to see what happens. IS there any other ways > of recording music streamed straight to your pc??? > > colm > > > ICQ: 62753543 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Captain Bl at ck > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Date: 21 January 2001 11:56 > >Subject: HW: Total Rock > > > > > >>A long shot, but is there anyone out there who can either do me a CD-R or > a > >>good tape of next Saturday's Total Rock Astoria gig? > >> > >>Unfortunately the ivory towers of Castle Black aren't equipped with > >>satellite reception, and Internet reception here is lousy. I'm lucky if I > >>can get 21.6K connection speed. > >> > >>Muchos Gracios > >> > >>Captain Bl at ck. > >> > > From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Jan 21 12:01:29 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:01:29 -0500 Subject: HW: MC Site Updates Message-ID: ++Star Warriors. . . . . There will be serveral updates to Mission Control over the next few weeks. . . . . . There are also quite a few new additions to existing data... (See LYRICS pages, SINGLES, HawkXmas pages etc)..... Announcements will be made as soon as the new sections come on stream... ++Message Ends From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Jan 21 15:52:16 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:52:16 -0600 Subject: HW: Song title on California Brainstorm Message-ID: Hi, I can't seem to get into Sonique's page so I don't know how else to access the codex. I'm working on a Bristol bootleg from 1990 (much the same as the California Brainstorm show as far as setlist), and I've found the same intro to "Night of the Hawks" that the California Brainstorm calls "Eons". Now, I have heard this song many times, but I don't have all my cds right here with me (just got the California Brainstorm). Is this the main title "Eons"? Or is there another title that this instrumental is better known by. Most of the song titles on California Brainstorm don't really match up well, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks, Bryan Young From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Jan 21 15:59:20 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:59:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Song title on California Brainstorm In-Reply-To: <002901c083ec$0b364380$e565a58e@pavilion> Message-ID: In article <002901c083ec$0b364380$e565a58e at pavilion>, BL Young writes >Hi, I can't seem to get into Sonique's page so I don't know how else to >access the codex. > >I'm working on a Bristol bootleg from 1990 (much the same as the California >Brainstorm show as far as setlist), and I've found the same intro to "Night >of the Hawks" that the California Brainstorm calls "Eons". > >Now, I have heard this song many times, but I don't have all my cds right >here with me (just got the California Brainstorm). Is this the main title >"Eons"? Or is there another title that this instrumental is better known >by. Most of the song titles on California Brainstorm don't really match up >well, so I thought I'd ask. It's AKA Snake Dance, from Electric Tepee -- David Blair From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sun Jan 21 17:00:57 2001 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:00:57 -0500 Subject: from OJ (M.Zone) Message-ID: This was originally written word for word by OJ: "Hi, if you want to get megahits on your site, follow these directions; Cheers, OJ" "Below are 5 artist sites: Simply play al tracks by the artist at the top of the list; then copy this mail, erase the artist you just played ( the first artist), and add your mp3 site ( or the site of a band you like) to the bottom of the list (Your URL should be the fifth and last artist). Now simply send this out to at least 10 artists! You are done! Now just sit back and let new people visit and listen to your music. Have a great day, OJ" www.mp3.com/sloterdijk www.mp3.com/23k www.mp3.com/swodm http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/194/dave_mendenhall.html www.mp3.com/metalslut http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From coral at APORT.RU Sun Jan 21 17:20:37 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:20:37 +0300 Subject: HW: Total Rock Message-ID: > My brother is going to record it for me off satellite but not having a CD-R it > will have > to be a tape so if your intrested E-Mail me personally. Hello! I also would like to have this tape if it is possible. best regards, Alissa From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Jan 21 18:01:48 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:01:48 -0000 Subject: Hassan i Sahba Message-ID: looking through robert godwin's excellent book "The illustrated collectors guide to hawkwind". I noticed an italian release of "Hassan I Sabha" on 7 inch. What interests me is the b-side. Its listed as damnation alley part 2? Does this mean that its an edit of the original track so it can fit on a 7 inch single??? Or is it some kind of rare/live version??? colm ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` NP: ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 21 18:55:17 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:55:17 +0000 Subject: music and books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Michael Habiby wrote: > I have very evocative memories from my senior year in HS reading the second > book of the Lord of the rings (out of 6 books remember) and listening to the > Year of the Cat album by Al Stewart. > > I recently re acquired the Pentateuch of the Cosmogony by Dave Greenslade on > eBay and pulled out my battered copies of Zeazny's Princes in Amber series. > I remembered listening to that album(s) reading the first novel before and > successfully recreated that "atmosphere". > > As for Hawkwind.. I actually put on Live Chronicle when I last restarted the > Elric Books.... Clich? but I thought I would try it. It definitely was a > soundtrack for the first book. :) > > I know this is the opposite of where you were going here Arin but I find > that Hawkwind works really well when I do my bike and rower during my > workout. Dull I know.. but during my endorphin rush the rock really gets me > in a good rhythm and the "space" sets my mind free to float.... Ok maybe TMI > there but its late and I am tired. :-) This isn't really the same, but I used to find playing TIE Fighter much easier with _Space Ritual_ on instead of the theme tune. Mind you I expect anything fairly free-flowing would have done, but I liked that it was _Space Ritual_ :-) Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 21 19:07:23 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:07:23 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... Message-ID: Dear All, and here is a review of Krel's _Ad Astra_. I particularly enjoyed the spot-the-HW-riff bit and recommend that everyone gets a copy to play this game themselves :-) "Krel are one of the few remaining British space-rock groups. Or they were. They started in the early eighties I believe, shedding various people who went on to form Spacehead, PXR1 and Cellular Structure and some time two or three years ago finally went pling leaving one Martin M with the name. He is now Krel. And though they were apparently very highly thought of on the scene in the early nineties, only now (well, 1999) has anything more album-like than limited edition cassettes emerged. And since it's all Martin's work I wonder how much it's like proper Krel. But anyway. "This album is a very good example of a phenomenon that really irritates me in the British underground. By which I mean that its a very good album within that phenomenon. That phenomenon is the inability of British space-rock to do anything more than rip off, imitate and generally fail to get over Hawkwind. Now, Hawkwind are a legend, and though they do turn out some crap they are capable of complete transcendence and no-one else does it the same way. But Krel and Spacehead particularly seem to be unable to get further than recycling those riffs and putting new lyrics on the old themes (Hawkwind haven't dedicatedly sung about space since the early seventies). Now, this is a good album. The keyboards are very nice, the textures good, the samples well-chosen and placed, and the playing of the other instruments cant be complained about. Even the sleeve is nice although the fact that all the information is inside the booklet annoys me - it would be nice to check a track number without extracting it. I am often hyper-critical of the stuff that gets claimed as "better than Hawkwind" or "reminiscent of Hawkwind at their best" so I'll try and make clear again before I launch into the diatribe that there are lots of good points about this album and I do like it. The only musical argument I have with it per se is that Martin isnt a great singer, and that he mixes his vocals too loud. This is a particular problem on the second part of the first track, `Towers', which has a deliberately arythmic vocal. So the riff just gets established (and its not a brilliant riff, but it does) and you're just hooking onto it when the words arrive and throw you off it. Once you know when they're coming in its OK but on first listen that is not good. "The lyrics are not too bad. Spacehead have the worst lyrics in the world, the sort of junk spacerock set to Motorhead-like patterns that you can generate for hours on end, rhyming `space' with `race' and so on. This stuff is much better, the same pattern but unexpected words and things that sound thoughtful. And though the early rock tracks have a bit too much of the singalong bounce about them, particularly `Time' (the instrumentals are without exception either nice or actually very good, especially the manic fretboard freakout of `Star Fall' which I love), once you get to `I Can See Starz' you're into a pounding blanga with phased vocals whipping your face like branches as you race into the unknown. So yes, it's good. Not as good as the hype maybe but good. "But but but. The Hawkwind references come one or two to the song. I'll give you an summary of what I mean: The Hour of the Gate: quiet rocket sample and synth wash, over as soon as it begins Towers: OK maybe not this one actually, but then it's about the worst song Sight Land: mood piece. The general progression reminds me of `Going to Hawaii' but I don't think it's a deliberate lift. Nice glissando too Time: guitar part from `Kings of Speed', vocal line is the first phrase of `Arrival in Utopia' alternated up and down half an octave The End of Time: synth outtro Nomad: synthi stuff and quite pleasant - builds into... Transmissions: I can't place these bits though the guitar part is `Kings of Speed' again; the lyrics are also dangerously close to Spacehead territory but thankfully not about being on a colony ship flying into the unknown so it could be worse - the album starts to get good here I think I Can See Starz: bass and guitar lines set on the bass line from the bridge of `Brainstorm' - this may be why it's so good So Long: synth and samples - at least one of the synth lines is from `Life Form' but like the `Brainstorm' riff that's not exactly difficult to hit by accident Star Fall: a short cover of `Life Form' to open, bass from the crescendo buildup between bridge and final verse of `Brainstorm' Green Sky: guitar part I think the bass line of `Mirror of Illusion', and the lyrics include the line "standing on the edge of the spirit of the age" which can only be justified because it is two Hawkwind titles - halfway through drops into `Golden Void' with no pretence of originality Satellites: modified slightly from opening section of `Space is Deep' To The Stars: begins with `Golden Void' again only more dressed up, and wanders off to close "So, in conclusion, it's a good approach at doing Hawkwind classics in nineties dressing, and if Hawkwind still put spacerock of this quality out they would still be legendary. The fact that Krel too are drawing on Hawkwind's past glories should not be allowed to detract from the fact that they do it well. But so do Hawkwind. How many parrot acts do we need? And when will someone do something new?" Yours, Jon ObCD: Hawkwind - _Alien4_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 21 20:24:32 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:24:32 EST Subject: OFF/HW: Jan. Issue of Aural Innovations now Online~ Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com The January issue of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For=20 SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers=20 spacerock, psychedelia, electronic music, plus more eclectic=20 forms of jazz and progressive rock. 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All the above can be found by setting your vessel=92s controls for=20 http://Aural-Innovations.com --part1_bd.b05e6dd.279ce267_boundary-- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Jan 21 20:26:40 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:26:40 EST Subject: OFF: Two New Aural Innovations Radio Shows Message-ID: [If you would like to be removed from this list just drop us an email and=20 we=92ll take care of it. Otherwise, please forward this message to anyone yo= u=20 think might be interested.] Sorry to spam you all again so soon but hot on the heels of the new issue=20 are two new radio shows for your listening pleasure. http://Aural-Innovations.com Aural Innovations Radio has just uploaded two new shows in streaming=20 RealAudio. (You can also download them if you prefer.) Aural Innovations is an online web-zine covering all forms of spacerock,=20 psychedelia, electronica, and more eclectic forms of jazz and progressive=20 rock. 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That's right, I remember it now from the "Travelling at the Speed of Space" bootleg, too! Thanks very much! Bryan From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 21 21:16:27 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:46:27 +1030 Subject: HW: Total Rock Message-ID: Me too!!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: HW: Total Rock > A long shot, but is there anyone out there who can either do me a CD-R or a > good tape of next Saturday's Total Rock Astoria gig? > > Unfortunately the ivory towers of Castle Black aren't equipped with > satellite reception, and Internet reception here is lousy. I'm lucky if I > can get 21.6K connection speed. > > Muchos Gracios > > Captain Bl at ck. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 21 23:59:36 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:29:36 +1030 Subject: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 Message-ID: Maybe Hawkwind could do a special concert in Amsterdam - now theres a seed for thought!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 > Well the date is certainly right Bernhard as I was there and it was a gig to > remember. > Must say one of the worst as they hadn't have enough electricity and in the > gig the Hawks had to choose between sound or light.Really chaos,although > Alan played a superbe bass solo. > The nicest thing I remember from the Sweet Smoke was Ron Tree selling > Hawkwind t-shirts in the audience (out of his skull) > It was hilarious!! > Also my brother in law smoking for the first time forbidden substances and > laughing for an hour about a little stone that was lying there (now that was > hilarious!!) > Ron Tree giving my a ultra rare t-shirt (only 20 made) ,he had it on for 3 > days and Dave Brock telling him he had to put on another,as he smelled.We > went to the van where the merchandise t-shirts were and he put a new one > and just throw > the smelly one on my shoulder,just saying:"You can have this one". > Alan Davey getting me out of my skull (Well,what can I tell,we were in > Forbitten Substance Walhalla).Must say I quit after that gig (I was really > to far gone for some time,and I really can't cope with it).So not more of > that stuff for me > Dave Brock and Ron Tree giving me the skater-helmet that was used during the > "Love In Space"-tour. > You can see the helmet on the "Love In Space" 2lp/2cd.It's the photo where > Ron is wearing a white space-suit and has a helmet on his head.The photo is > taken under blacklights.It's the photo on the upper right. > Yes,girls and boys,I really have the original helmet. > Another bummer was that Porcupine Tree was announced,but didn't show up. > Normally,as they didn't knew about the gig anyhow (as informed later). > Also seeing Dave Brock getting into the van and driving off as he was pissed > as hell after that bad gig. > Anyhow,I would like a copy of that one,as I was there. > e-mail me privately: filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be > > greetings > filip hawknut > > p.s.:I saw some 5 or 6 people filming on video.Do you know someone who has > some ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernhard Pospiech > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: Sweet Smoke, Holland 1996 > > > > At 18:59 20.01.2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >Hi, just hoping somebody here has some information on this gig. (Just > > >finished mastering from cassette to cdr): > > > > > >Sweet Smoke Festival, Tilleburg, Holland > > >either 7/9/96 or else 9/7/96 > > > > > >I am not sure which date is correct, and I am not sure I have the city > > >spelled correctly. > > > > Tilburg, Sweet Smoke Festival (Netherlands) > > 07. September 1996 > > > > > > > > Bernhard > From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Jan 22 00:48:57 2001 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:48:57 EST Subject: Off: DVD-Audio Message-ID: In a message dated 01/21/2001 11:12:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > Emerson Lake and Palmer/Brain Salad Surgery ....DVD-Audio > New DVD Audio version of Brain Salad Surgery Helps Launch Historic New Audio > Format! Warner Music Group (WMG) becomes the first of the major music > companies to offer albums in the DVD-Audio format. The new format, which > features Advanced Resolution(TM), multi-channel audio that dramatically > enhances the listening experience, is the most significant industry format > launch since the introduction of the CD nearly twenty years ago. Among the > first releases are ELP's classic, Brain Salad Surgery! All of the > recordings have been remixed from the original masters to take advantage of > the optimal surround and stereo sound quality. > > All albums released from WMG labels will offer consumers the flexibility of > being able to be played in three ways: first, in Advanced Resolution > surround sound; second, in Advanced Resolution stereo; and third, for those > who own a DVD-Video player but have not yet upgraded to DVD-Audio, DVD-Video > compatible Dolby? Digital surround. This last feature will enable the discs > to be played in the nearly 10 million DVD-Video players already in U.S. > homes. With a sampling rate and bit depth that at least doubles the > resolution for the current CD standard, DVD-Audio discs deliver sound > quality that is significantly closer to the master recording than is > possible with CDs. Beyond this enhanced listening experience, DVD-Audio > discs offer many other unique features to increase the enjoyment of this new > format: in addition to brief DVD-Video quality music videos and artist > commentary, when played on new DVD-Audio players, ``visual menus'' with > remote navigation may also offer access to ``photo gallery'' still pictures, > artist bios, discography and credits or song lyrics viewable during Advanced > Resolution playback. > Very interesting...I got this for Christmas sight unseen expecting it to be a normal DVD...turns out DVD-Audio is something different, so I can't access the meager amount of video material on the disc. It DOES sound nice, although I've only heard it on my computer sound system. And on at least one track (Benny the Bouncer), they've apparently replaced the original vocal line with a different take of the vocals. Wish I had a fancier system and could enjoy the great sound quality. Steven Tice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 22 03:14:40 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:44:40 +1030 Subject: HW vollunteer Message-ID: Just a thought regarding the possible Hawkwind Festival this UK summer I would like to offer my interest and willingness to help out in any way with any organisation of this event - and if there is enough forewarning would be pleased to arrive up to a week early to be of use - voluntarily of course I'm sure many other fans would feel the same Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 03:07:33 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:07:33 -0500 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hello, I just joined the list; you will hear more from me on HW topics from time to time. Mark From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jan 22 04:11:56 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:11:56 -0000 Subject: Westone Thunder 1 - (was: Dave Grinning) Message-ID: > > > >>You'll need 2 pics then, cos the main guitar during that period was the > >>Thunder 1 (IIRC Harvey Bainbridge had a Thunder 1 bass too) but Huw used > >>a Westone Concord on Utopia on the Choose Your Masques tour. > > > >Harvey used an Fender P bass most of the time AFAIK. > > Knew I'd seen it somewhere - there's a pic of Harvey complete with > Westone bass inside the Sonic Attack tour program Sadly, I imagine that this isn't going to make the Thunder 1 wildly collectable (and thus valuable). One day though, it will be - then I'll have a fortune sitting under my bed... BWAHAHAHAA!!! Ahem. Sorry. :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 04:57:31 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:57:31 +0000 Subject: Hello! Message-ID: Hi Everyone! I'm an 18 yr old Hawkwind Fan-I was brought up on them! And I've just joined the mailing list. I hope there is a Hawkwind festival,( or a gig in the North East). I've never seen them live before.....and I know that I'm missing a treat!! Hope to have something to contribute soon. Layla. (PS...Up The Pinks!!!!) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 22 06:19:10 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:19:10 GMT Subject: Hassan i Sahba In-Reply-To: bedroom trancer's message of Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: bedroom trancer writes: > looking through robert godwin's excellent book "The illustrated collectors > guide to hawkwind". I noticed an italian release of "Hassan I Sabha" on 7 > inch. What interests me is the b-side. Its listed as damnation alley part > 2? Does this mean that its an edit of the original track so it can fit on a > 7 inch single??? Or is it some kind of rare/live version??? Yes, it's an edit from the middle of the track. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jan 22 08:58:20 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:58:20 -0500 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Darrin McKeehen wrote: => Hey Now! => => For you HAWKFANS in the states.... => => I have been getting my blank discs at => Tape Warehouse in Atlanta..... => => I get MITSUI Silvers for $.60 each. => => No too bad! => => Got to: www.tapewarehouse.com => => or call 1-800-659-8273 I strongly echo Darrin's recommendation of the Tape Warehouse. I've ordered from them several times, and their service has always been impeccable. You can even save on shipping if you're in the Atlanta area and pick up your order in person! Just to clarify the above, though, the 60 cents/blank pricing on Mitsui silvers is bulk pricing, i.e., for a pack of 100, without jewel cases. You can buy individual quantities, but you'll get a higher rate. Another great place to buy cheap good blanks is American Digital (www.am-dig.com). They're currently selling bulk 100-packs of Mitsui silvers for $59. I believe the company is run by tapers, and is geared for tapers. They do have a $25 minimum order requirement, at least when using the WWW to order. I recommend both of these companies (with the tie break going to the Tape Warehouse:). I use Mitsui silvers for SHN archiving and trading, and cheapo blanks for personal audio copies for listening purposes. In that vein I ordered some of the Phoenix generic blanks from American Digital. Although they were incredibly cheap ($19/100 spindle), I probably won't be ordering them again because I have noticed some quality/tracking problems with one or two of the many discs of them I've burned. (The ATIP info is identical to the CMC Imations, but the label side is very see-through:) I guess the moral is that some blanks may be just *too* cheap. (That, and my CD player is really old and finicky.) ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From iainferguson at CS.COM Mon Jan 22 09:39:38 2001 From: iainferguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:39:38 +0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just bought both these CD's. Thrilling is a really nice piece of History. And I can now fully understand Dave's and Bob's hatred of funky music ( time for sale !!!!) Now thats why everyone got sacked Great album, even Brainstorm got played all the way through , its completely different. Nice Bass solo... Well worth the money. The remix Album is not what I hoped, The first track is an absolute blinder !!, i just love Dance remixes of hawkwind tunes. The rest is nice enough just not what I hoped for. Can anyone tell me the BrockSpace CD is supposed to have 2 dance tracks on it is this true ?. I'm saving my pennies this time till I get a better idea of what my money is paying for. PS I'm not dissing the remix album.. Was just looking for more like the SOTA remixes regards iain From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 11:02:50 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:02:50 -0500 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:39:38 +0000, Iain Ferguson wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Just bought both these CD's. Thrilling is a really nice piece of >History. And I can now fully understand Dave's and Bob's hatred of funky >music ( time for sale !!!!) I love that track... the bit where Bob and Dave sing unaccompanied is extraordinary IMHO, unique in the annals of Hawkdom. And the bit where the band come steaming back in would have to be one of my finest HW moments, if anyone's still compiling them. >The remix Album is not what I hoped, The first track is an absolute >blinder !!, i just love Dance remixes of hawkwind tunes. The rest is >nice enough just not what I hoped for. >Can anyone tell me the BrockSpace CD is supposed to have 2 dance tracks >on it is this true ?. Yes, not remixes but new tracks (unlike much of the other stuff on SpaceBrock). FWIW I think one of the tracks is a stormer. Very trance- techno. Not particularly original, but then HW are more 'influenced by' than influential these days. Or at least, they're influenced by the people they once influenced. Two (yes, as many as that) SpaceBrock reviews have been posted to this list, you should find these in the archives. Basically my review says "the glass is half full", and Mr Jarrett's says "it's half empty". Nick From iainferguson at CS.COM Mon Jan 22 11:58:44 2001 From: iainferguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:58:44 +0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: Cheers Nick, I'll have to revisit this track if you like it that much...It certainly is Unique to my ears . Thanks for the tips... regards iain Nick Medford wrote: > I love that track... the bit where Bob and Dave sing unaccompanied is > extraordinary IMHO, unique in the annals of Hawkdom. And the bit where the > band come steaming back in would have to be one of my finest HW moments, if > anyone's still compiling them. > From Colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 13:50:03 2001 From: Colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:50:03 -0500 Subject: HW volunteer Message-ID: Likewise, I can offer events management, planning and marketing services. From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Jan 22 15:53:01 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:53:01 -0000 Subject: Hello! Message-ID: PRRRRRINNNNNNG PRRRRRINNNNNNG Hello, Good Evening...and Welcome. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Layla Thompson To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Hello! > Hi Everyone! > > I'm an 18 yr old Hawkwind Fan-I was brought up on them! And I've just joined the mailing list. > I hope there is a Hawkwind festival,( or a gig in the North East). I've never seen them live before.....and I know that I'm missing a treat!! > > Hope to have something to contribute soon. > > Layla. > > (PS...Up The Pinks!!!!) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 16:10:04 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:10:04 +0000 Subject: Hello! In-Reply-To: <006001c084b5$515beda0$880d28d5@starfield> Message-ID: In message <006001c084b5$515beda0$880d28d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >PRRRRRINNNNNNG PRRRRRINNNNNNG > >Hello, Good Evening...and Welcome. Their cannons are deadly and heinous And shiny and turgid and stout... -- Nick Medford From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 22 18:16:49 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:16:49 EST Subject: HW Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/01 3:17:46 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK writes: > Hello, > > I just joined the list; you will hear more from me on HW topics from time > to time. > > Mark > > > > Welcom to the list, Mark! Sign on and spout off. We all do Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jan 22 19:39:45 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:39:45 -0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: and mine would say it's completely full - great album - listened to best without thinking about the origin of the tracks or where they came from - just listen to it as a unique entity and it's one storming album. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: Re: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:39:38 +0000, Iain Ferguson > wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > >Just bought both these CD's. Thrilling is a really nice piece of > >History. And I can now fully understand Dave's and Bob's hatred of funky > >music ( time for sale !!!!) > > I love that track... the bit where Bob and Dave sing unaccompanied is > extraordinary IMHO, unique in the annals of Hawkdom. And the bit where the > band come steaming back in would have to be one of my finest HW moments, if > anyone's still compiling them. > > > >The remix Album is not what I hoped, The first track is an absolute > >blinder !!, i just love Dance remixes of hawkwind tunes. The rest is > >nice enough just not what I hoped for. > >Can anyone tell me the BrockSpace CD is supposed to have 2 dance tracks > >on it is this true ?. > > Yes, not remixes but new tracks (unlike much of the other stuff on > SpaceBrock). FWIW I think one of the tracks is a stormer. Very trance- > techno. Not particularly original, but then HW are more 'influenced by' > than influential these days. Or at least, they're influenced by the people > they once influenced. > > Two (yes, as many as that) SpaceBrock reviews have been posted to this > list, you should find these in the archives. Basically my review says "the > glass is half full", and Mr Jarrett's says "it's half empty". > > Nick From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 20:59:34 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:59:34 +0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. In-Reply-To: <008f01c084d4$fc4530e0$eb16bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <008f01c084d4$fc4530e0$eb16bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >and mine would say it's completely full - great album - listened to best >without thinking about the origin of the tracks or where they came from - >just listen to it as a unique entity and it's one storming album. Can't make up my mind about this. I do agree, although others haven't, that it hangs together as an album. Fragments like, say, 'Kauai' make perfect sense in the context of the whole. If it was the first HW album I'd ever heard, I think I'd be pretty impressed. But... but... well, to take the argument to an extreme: if Hawkwind released a 'new album', which turned out to be 'Hall of the Mountain Grill' with new cover art, new track titles, and a bit of electronic tweaking here and there, what would we all think? It would still be great music but it would hardly be a positive step. OK, this is more extreme than what's actually happened, but you see the point I'm trying to make. OTOH I can think of no rational reason why artists shouldn't rework old material should they feel like it. However, unless it's done in a truly radical fashion, it tends to come off as a stalling tactic to cover a shortage of new ideas. And, as has been pointed out already, some of the material isn't even being reworked. I dunno... at the end of the day it's only rock'n'roll. But I LIKE IT, dammit, and these things trouble me. (Although whenever I start fretting too much I think back to the Astoria and remind myself that Hawkwind are still the rubber ducking business onstage). -- Nick Medford From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Jan 22 22:37:56 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:37:56 +0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > In message <008f01c084d4$fc4530e0$eb16bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > >and mine would say it's completely full - great album - listened to best > >without thinking about the origin of the tracks or where they came from - > >just listen to it as a unique entity and it's one storming album. > > Fragments like, say, 'Kauai' make perfect sense in the context of the whole. I couldn't agree more.......they make perfect sense when you're there......... For those of you whoa are interested - here's my Hawaiian experience.... I didn't go to Kaho'olawe I didn't go to Ni,ilau But, last February, I did go to O'ahu, Kaua'i, Molokai, Lana'i, Maui and Hawai'i These islands are, without doubt, the most beautiful place on Earth - When you're in the middle of nowhere, 2500 Miles from the nearest piece of land, something takes over. Call me weird but, on my personal CDplayer I played 'Going To Hawaii', on repeat, all the way from L.A. to Honolulu - what a wonderful way to pass six hours! Partly due to the excitement of going there, and partly to the fact that, when I got there, after leaving Honolulu, my friend in Lanakai rolled up a fat one and we sat on the beach listening to "Space Ritual" whilst looking at the Mokoluas in the distance. I must admit, it's the only time that I've cried whilst looking at a view. Looking at the night stars, in that part of the world, is something that every person should experience - No light pollution - just a vast expanse of sky, and the longer you look, the more you see. When you go somewhere like that, as Dave obviously has, then ,you realise......... Keef -- Senior Systems Administrator Phone:0207 973 4000 Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jan 23 04:14:32 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:44:32 +1030 Subject: HW original Black Sword CD Message-ID: Oh yes it arrived today & am I a happy little Hawk or what Thanks Andy G!! Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 23 04:19:53 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:19:53 +0000 Subject: Out of the Shad^H^H^H^HWoodwork Message-ID: Is it my imagination, or have a whole bunch of people just joined the list? Cheers, Carl ObCD: Dark Sun, _Ice Ritual_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Tue Jan 23 06:58:25 2001 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:58:25 -0000 Subject: HW: List Joiners Message-ID: And that makes yet another Mark on here, doh ! Greetings newbies, toss a subject in the pot. Mark (Hasbeen) -----------Original Message -------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:19:53 +0000 From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: Out of the Shad^H^H^H^HWoodwork Is it my imagination, or have a whole bunch of people just joined the list? Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 09:16:38 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:16:38 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone's interested I went for www.jungle.com in the end ?5.99 for 10 cheers to anyone who answered. -- Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jan 23 09:38:46 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:38:46 -0500 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: <8oUPSRAGJZb6Ew9g@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Jon Browne wrote: => If anyone's interested I went for www.jungle.com in the end => => ?5.99 for 10 Is that with or without jewel cases? Also, what brand are those discs? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 23 11:16:36 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:16:36 +0800 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: Hi all I have a question for Dave. I do volunteer work for a community TV station in Perth, West Australia. I'm involved in the production of a series of interview tapes, & would love to be able to use some Hawkwind or related music in the programme (it's a non-profit thing). Is there any particular recordings that I could use, & any that's best to avoid? My guess is it's safer with more recent tracks? I wouldn't like to use it without any permission though, & the music will be credited as well. I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's still a bit further down the track though. Anyway, I await a reply with great anticipation William PS Who owns rights for the various videos that are around. It may be possible to get them shown on the channel? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jan 23 10:36:37 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:36:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Got this info from CultJacket, who I think used to be on BOC-L, if briefly. It concerns a new tune, "Dance On Stilts"- which has been played live, as well as some reworked songs from the past that will be on the upcoming album. Looks like Buck took a page from Al's book and found some lost gems to spice up a new album.... Would anyone who has the Archive Series care to comment on "Stone of Love" and "Here Comes That Feeling"? Brian >---------- >From: CultJacket at aol.com > [...] > >Dance On Stilts is probably the heaviest tune Buck has written. >It is surprising because it is unlike any tune from him. >It reminds me of Cream the group. It has that boogie blues feel to it. >Has duel Allen and Buck solo's and amazing keyboards by Eric. >The song atleast live ends with a long jam from the whole group. >Got the whole scoop on the CD from Buck Stone Of Love and Here Comes That >Feeling from the BD Archieve series will be worked for the new CD. Those were >written for RB Night. Another tune called January wriiten by Buck will be on >there as well,and 3 more Eric tunes besides Hurricane and Old Gods......I >think 1 Danny tunes may make it as well. Looks like a great CD. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 12:37:58 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:37:58 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes > >Is that with or without jewel cases? Also, what brand are those discs? > >Cheers, > >Paul. Memorex 142's and surprisingly, that's with cases. -- Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 23 13:27:43 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:27:43 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind covers server Message-ID: As discussed last week, I've created a Web admin interface to allow upload of mp3 files to a central place: http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/hw.asp The admin interface is password protected, so if you're one of the people who'd like to put an HW cover on the Web, mail me for details of the URLs and the account. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 23 13:52:32 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:52:32 -0000 Subject: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. Message-ID: It's interesting this - how people listen to music. I jhave long since said that musicians have completely different ears from the average listener and tend to listen to hear music in a completely different way from most of us. But it never really occurred to me that the complete and utter fanatics of a band or artist's work will also be listening in an unusual way - all the time it will be with an ear as to echoes of what has gone before, to the minutest detail in many cases, and I feel sure that this only clouds the issue of just putting something on, forgetting what its origins are, whether or not it's been out before in any way, shape or form and just experiencing a complete offering without comparisons or such things. What was it - turn on, tune in and drop out - how about just tuning in!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:37 AM Subject: Re: H/W remix & Thrilling Adventures. > Nick Medford wrote: > > > In message <008f01c084d4$fc4530e0$eb16bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > > GARIBALDI writes > > >and mine would say it's completely full - great album - listened to best From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jan 23 13:57:03 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:57:03 -0000 Subject: HW original Black Sword CD Message-ID: no problem - makes a change from checking 30,000 album entries for our up and coming web site (those who envy my job, take note!!!) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: HW original Black Sword CD Oh yes it arrived today & am I a happy little Hawk or what Thanks Andy G!! Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 23 14:07:49 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:07:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music In-Reply-To: <004301c08557$e2c19400$c9c23bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's still a bit further down the track though. I still await a Hawkwind cover of the Dr. Who theme :) It would be perfect :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 23 14:15:10 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:15:10 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind covers server Message-ID: Hello Kevin, This is a wonderful idea. I may be interested in adding Starfield's version of Space is Deep - its a rough early demo, pre the album, but might be of interest. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Hawkwind covers server > As discussed last week, I've created a Web admin interface to allow upload > of mp3 files to a central place: http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/hw.asp > > The admin interface is password protected, so if you're one of the people > who'd like to put an HW cover on the Web, mail me for details of the URLs > and the account. > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 15:11:00 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:11:00 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: <8oUPSRAGJZb6Ew9g@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <8oUPSRAGJZb6Ew9g at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne writes >If anyone's interested I went for www.jungle.com in the end Hope you get better service from them than I've had. I ordered two CDs which were described as 'in stock, will be sent out within 5 days'. THREE MONTHS later I'm still waiting. I know they haven't forgotten- every couple of weeks they send me a cheery email to say they're still waiting for the items to come into stock. Harrumph. -- Nick Medford From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Jan 23 15:51:59 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:51:59 -0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: Just before Christmas, I bought 20 BASF blanks, with cases, for a tenner. In Woolworths, of all places. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? > In message <8oUPSRAGJZb6Ew9g at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne > writes > >If anyone's interested I went for www.jungle.com in the end > > Hope you get better service from them than I've had. I ordered two CDs > which were described as 'in stock, will be sent out within 5 days'. THREE > MONTHS later I'm still waiting. I know they haven't forgotten- every > couple of weeks they send me a cheery email to say they're still waiting for > the items to come into stock. Harrumph. > -- > Nick Medford From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Jan 23 16:13:25 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:13:25 EST Subject: Out of the Shad^H^H^H^HWoodwork Message-ID: In a message dated 1/23/01 4:20:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, scylding at CARLAZ.COM writes: > Is it my imagination, or have a whole bunch of people just joined the list? > > The more the merrier!! Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 16:27:27 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:27:27 +0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: <7RhBKBAUVeb6EwP9@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <7RhBKBAUVeb6EwP9 at hermit0.demon.co.uk>, Nick Medford writes > >Hope you get better service from them than I've had. I ordered two CDs >which were described as 'in stock, will be sent out within 5 days'. THREE >MONTHS later I'm still waiting. I know they haven't forgotten- every >couple of weeks they send me a cheery email to say they're still waiting for >the items to come into stock. Harrumph. Really? uh-oh. I've already had a "thanks for your order. not *actually* in stock, but you know, on their way, like" e-mail. Still, I can pick a few up at 50p a pop from Woolies now, while I'm waiting. cheers Cap. -- Jon From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 23 17:29:42 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:29:42 +0800 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: Two of us on BOC-L living in Perth. And sharing the same name :-) I'm in Kelmscott, William - where are you? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Hi all I have a question for Dave. I do volunteer work for a community TV station in Perth, West Australia. I'm involved in the production of a series of interview tapes, & would love to be able to use some Hawkwind or related music in the programme (it's a non-profit thing). Is there any particular recordings that I could use, & any that's best to avoid? My guess is it's safer with more recent tracks? I wouldn't like to use it without any permission though, & the music will be credited as well. I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's still a bit further down the track though. Anyway, I await a reply with great anticipation William PS Who owns rights for the various videos that are around. It may be possible to get them shown on the channel? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jan 23 18:34:37 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:34:37 -0600 Subject: HW: books? Message-ID: Hey folks, What books are out there about hawkwind? I know about the Butterworth duo/trilogy, Kris's This is Hawkwind, Do not Panic book, and the Illustrated Guide to collecting Hawkwind. ...and I know Adrian is putting one out. Are there any others? What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? (...and does anyone have any idea where I can track any of these down? ebay, abebooks, and bibliofind haven't been of much use.) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Tue Jan 23 18:43:55 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:43:55 -0000 Subject: HW: books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? CENTIGRADE 232 and EARTH RITUAL. Very limited small press editions only; I picked up my C232 at a Hawklords gig. Good luck! Don't forget his rock'n'roll novel HYPE (New English Library, 1981 or 2). Hawkwind, and various members, make many walk-on appearances throughout Mike Moorcock's oeuvre, of course... -- Andy www.andygilham.com From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Jan 23 18:42:35 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:42:35 -0500 Subject: books? Message-ID: A good source is www.alibris.com I purchased the Time of the Hawklords book there and paid around $9 or $10. Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins [SMTP:akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:35 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: books? Hey folks, What books are out there about hawkwind? I know about the Butterworth duo/trilogy, Kris's This is Hawkwind, Do not Panic book, and the Illustrated Guide to collecting Hawkwind. ...and I know Adrian is putting one out. Are there any others? What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? (...and does anyone have any idea where I can track any of these down? ebay, abebooks, and bibliofind haven't been of much use.) Thanks! Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Jan 23 18:44:35 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:44:35 +0100 Subject: HW: books? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arin, >What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? The first collection is called "Centigrade 232" and was originally released in 1977. The second one, "The Earth Ritual" is from 1987. (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Jan 23 18:53:47 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:53:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive Message-ID: Hi, some years ago Hawkwind recorded a cover-version of Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive" (to accompany the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia). In the last few weeks my former enthusiasm for PF was partly revived and now I'm interested to hear HW's version of one of the coolest PF tracks. Is the HW-cover worth the purchase of the Encyclopedia or is it just a "nice to have" thing? (c)IAO D+R np: Pink Floyd, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 23 19:11:01 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:11:01 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind covers server Message-ID: Due to a slight oversight (it was late OK?), the admin interface doesn't quite work yet... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 23 19:13:30 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:13:30 +0800 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: Hi Bill I'm in Girrawheen. Anyone else here in Perth? William ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Two of us on BOC-L living in Perth. And sharing the same name :-) I'm in Kelmscott, William - where are you? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Hi all I have a question for Dave. I do volunteer work for a community TV station in Perth, West Australia. I'm involved in the production of a series of interview tapes, & would love to be able to use some Hawkwind or related music in the programme (it's a non-profit thing). Is there any particular recordings that I could use, & any that's best to avoid? My guess is it's safer with more recent tracks? I wouldn't like to use it without any permission though, & the music will be credited as well. I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's still a bit further down the track though. Anyway, I await a reply with great anticipation William PS Who owns rights for the various videos that are around. It may be possible to get them shown on the channel? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 23 19:20:02 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:20:02 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind covers server Message-ID: Sorted. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Perry To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:11 AM Subject: Hawkwind covers server > Due to a slight oversight (it was late OK?), the admin interface doesn't > quite work yet... > > --- > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 23 19:20:11 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:20:11 +0800 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive Message-ID: Hi there You will probably find a copy of it on Napster, along with the flipside (I did). Don't want to promote Napster, but it could come in handy for finding the odd track or two (when you don't want to pay an arm or a leg for just one track!). William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive > Hi, > > some years ago Hawkwind recorded a cover-version of Pink Floyd's > "Interstellar Overdrive" (to accompany the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia). In the > last few weeks my former enthusiasm for PF was partly revived and now I'm > interested to hear HW's version of one of the coolest PF tracks. > Is the HW-cover worth the purchase of the Encyclopedia or is it just a > "nice to have" thing? > > (c)IAO > > D+R > > np: Pink Floyd, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 23 19:25:13 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:25:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010124004442.0273cbf0@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010124004442.0273cbf0 at kommsrv.rz.unibw- muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht writes > now I'm >interested to hear HW's version of one of the coolest PF tracks. >Is the HW-cover worth the purchase of the Encyclopedia or is it just a >"nice to have" thing? I could squirt you the MP3 if you like. -- Jon From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Jan 23 21:46:08 2001 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Erebus) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:46:08 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News > Got this info from CultJacket, who I think used to be on BOC-L, if briefly. > It concerns a new tune, "Dance On Stilts"- which has been played live, as > well as some reworked songs from the past that will be on the upcoming > album. > God I hope they don't place a version of DFtR on this album, though any other reworked tunes would be cool. I really dug "In Thee" on HF. Any ideas what old tunes their working up? Laj. From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Tue Jan 23 19:38:55 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:38:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010124004442.0273cbf0@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: At 00.53 +0100 24.1.2001, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >Is the HW-cover worth the purchase of the Encyclopedia or is it just a >"nice to have" thing? Rather more the latter, IMO. It lacked the wild analogue abandon and heaviness that it could have had. But then, this is my mantra :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Gas Giant, _Pleasant Journey in Heavy Tunes_ (*stonking* album! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Jan 23 21:09:59 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:09:59 EST Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: William, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. As a matter of fact, some of them are painful to watch. but just like Hawkwind related stuff, I'm always interested in Dr. Who related stuff, especially if it has a HW soundtrack....too cool bob In a message dated 1/23/01 8:16:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who > knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, > Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's > still a bit further down the track though. From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jan 23 22:15:15 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:15:15 -0500 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: I am new to the world of CDRs. Are Mitsui Silvers the preferred brand. Is there a audible difference between those and using Memorex or TDK? Thanks Chris Jon Browne wrote: > > If anyone's interested I went for www.jungle.com in the end > > ?5.99 for 10 > > cheers to anyone who answered. > -- > Jon From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Tue Jan 23 22:41:26 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:41:26 -0500 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? Message-ID: From: "Chris Raymond" I am new to the world of CDRs. Are Mitsui Silvers the preferred brand. Is there a audible difference between those and using Memorex or TDK? I use Kodak here. I have some Fuji 80 Minute here I picked up in a pinch. I've never checked to see if there was any difference. I've had people tell me they use no-names with no problems, but I refuse to use them. The Kodaks had that Infoguard - don't know if that makes any difference or not. Jerry From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 01:24:41 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:24:41 EST Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: Brain I am still a member here. Laj. There IS NO older tunes worked up for this CD. Just 2 tunes by Buck that didn't make Revoulution By Night that appear on The BD Archieves Stone Of Love and Here Comes That Feeling. Everything else was either written in 1999 or 2000. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 24 01:33:29 2001 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:33:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson > I still await a Hawkwind cover of the Dr. Who theme :) It would be perfect :) Does "Snakedance" have the same title as a Davison Doctor Who story by design or coincidence? Ian From grodog at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Jan 24 03:01:37 2001 From: grodog at EARTHLINK.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:01:37 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind covers server Message-ID: > As discussed last week, I've created a Web admin interface to allow upload > of mp3 files to a central place: http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/hw.asp Hmmmm. I must have missed the HW covers discussion last week. > The admin interface is password protected, so if you're one of the people > who'd like to put an HW cover on the Web, mail me for details of the URLs > and the account. Is this in addition to the 4 volume set we'd compiled a few years back, or an attempt to burn that to CD, or what? Curiouser and curiouser.... Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at earthlink.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Wed Jan 24 03:09:58 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:09:58 -0500 Subject: Out of the Shad^H^H^H^HWoodwork Message-ID: Yes, I just joined the list this week having found it originally last year and now I have an email id (via a WAP phone, although I use a PC for retrieving the messages!). My main reason for joining was that I get real annoyed at never being able to find any Hawkwind news in the music press. Its never been the same since Sounds stopped being published all those years ago. Now I just hope that I can get enough money together to start collecting all those lovely new CD's that I have just learnt about. Having missed Brixton and the Astoria due to lack of finances (and I only had to travel from Liverpool) I hope that the mention of Croydon may lead to a few more shows a bit further north before the Lake District festival, if it goes ahead. By the way I've got my 3 year old daughter dancing to a few Hawkwind tracks as well as the usual Children's stuff like Steps and S Club 7. Now the idea of Hawkwind on Saturday morning children's telly doesn't seem quite so strange any more when you see a 3 year old dancing to something like Spirit of the Age! And I do remember seeing Lemmy on TISWAS many years ago. Ah well back to work now! Mark From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 04:00:25 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:00:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music In-Reply-To: <001e01c085cf$92250cc0$40ab883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: At 06.33 +0000 24.1.2001, Ian Abrahams wrote: >Does "Snakedance" have the same title as a Davison Doctor Who story by >design or coincidence? Coincidence, I rather suspect. At least, judging by the wide number of contexts in which the phrase is found ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 24 04:51:08 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:21:08 +1030 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: South Australia here ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Hi Bill I'm in Girrawheen. Anyone else here in Perth? William ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Two of us on BOC-L living in Perth. And sharing the same name :-) I'm in Kelmscott, William - where are you? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Hi all I have a question for Dave. I do volunteer work for a community TV station in Perth, West Australia. I'm involved in the production of a series of interview tapes, & would love to be able to use some Hawkwind or related music in the programme (it's a non-profit thing). Is there any particular recordings that I could use, & any that's best to avoid? My guess is it's safer with more recent tracks? I wouldn't like to use it without any permission though, & the music will be credited as well. I'm also working on an independent video based on Doctor Who. Anyone who knows the videos by BBV (The Stranger, Auton, PROBE) & Reeltime (Downtime, Mindgame) will know what I mean. I'd love to use music for that as well? It's still a bit further down the track though. Anyway, I await a reply with great anticipation William PS Who owns rights for the various videos that are around. It may be possible to get them shown on the channel? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jan 24 04:53:50 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:23:50 +1030 Subject: Kris' Book Message-ID: How can I get my hands on a copy of the Hawkwind book written by Kris Tait?? Any good helpers out there? Love In Space video arrived today - gonna watch it tonight Happy Little hawk two days in a row ;) Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to have a copy but, several years ago, lent it to a 'friend' who then lent it to someone else. - I never saw it again :( If anyone out there has a spare copy they'd like to sell or knows where I can get one then please get in touch. cheers, Keef From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 06:03:29 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:03:29 +0000 Subject: HW: books? Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:43:55 -0000 > From: Andy Gilham > Subject: Re: HW: books? > > What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? > > CENTIGRADE 232 and EARTH RITUAL. Very limited small press editions only; I > picked up my C232 at a Hawklords gig. Good luck! Doesn't sound too promising eh Arin? For a quick fix try pointing yer old browser at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calwor1.htm It's claim is as a complete listing of Calverts works.. > Don't forget his rock'n'roll novel HYPE (New English Library, 1981 or 2). and infact the main website is well worth a perusal http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ If you dig down you can watch a Flash type animation whilst simultaneously listening to: Hawkwind & RC performing "10 seconds of forever" - nice!! http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ts/tsten.htm ( click on the 10 to the left of the animation to launch the streaming RealPlayer sound file) M at xine From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 07:06:36 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:06:36 GMT Subject: HW: books? In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:34:37 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > Hey folks, > > What books are out there about hawkwind? > > I know about the Butterworth duo/trilogy, Kris's > This is Hawkwind, Do not Panic book, and the Illustrated Guide to > collecting Hawkwind. > > ...and I know Adrian is putting one out. > > Are there any others? Gave'n'Dave's "Born To Go" book is well worth a read. > What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? Centigrade 232 and Earth Ritual. > (...and does anyone have any idea where I can track any of these down? > ebay, abebooks, and bibliofind haven't been of much use.) The Calvert stuff does come up occasionally in Ebay or Gem. You could also try bibliofind.com which I've always found great for nailing out of print books. I have Gavin Wilson's address at home and I'll look it up for you if nobody else has a handier way to find Born To Go. Cheers Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 07:23:40 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:23:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:09:59 EST Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > William, > I'd be interested in hearing more about this. > I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. The basic gist of the series is of a kindof understated superhero who just runs around time saving Earth and the universe and playing the English country gentleman. > As a matter of > fact, some of them are painful to watch. The BBC never ever had big budgets for this sort of thing and usually regard SF as for kids anyway. That means that alien planets are always in mines or gravel pits and the aliens are kinda hokey. You can get fond of Daleks, Cybermen and those Yeti with the little control balls in their backs. I never really much liked the whole Master thing though. Not all the Doctors (they're reanimated after an actor leaves) were very good at the style though. Troughton, Hartnell, Pertwee and Baker were a lot better than some of the later guys. Paul McGann could have pulled it off in the film though, but they trashed that by spending half of it on setup and having the Master as the baddie rather than the Daleks or Cybermen. An update of either of those is badly needed. The Borg are just so much better dressed than the Cybermen and the Shadows are so much more subtle than the Daleks. It's going to be very hard to top Morden as an SF baddie. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 07:25:10 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:25:10 GMT Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music In-Reply-To: Ian Abrahams's message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:33:29 -0000 Message-ID: Ian Abrahams writes: > Does "Snakedance" have the same title as a Davison Doctor Who story by > design or coincidence? On the strength of Snake Dance and Space is Their Palestine, I'd really really like to have an album of eastern-flavoured music from Hawkwind. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 24 07:28:19 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:28:19 GMT Subject: Out of the Shad^H^H^H^HWoodwork In-Reply-To: Mark Von Bargen's message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: Mark Von Bargen writes: > By the way I've got my 3 year old daughter dancing to a few Hawkwind tracks > as well as the usual Children's stuff like Steps and S Club 7. Now the idea > of Hawkwind on Saturday morning children's telly doesn't seem quite so > strange any more when you see a 3 year old dancing to something like Spirit > of the Age! And I do remember seeing Lemmy on TISWAS many years ago. And now children, here's the Good Doctor who's going to give us some magic dust and take us all off to Fairyland... The Pied Piper of Hamlyn. Now *there's* a concept album. It could be done with just so much more menace... FoFP From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 24 07:22:28 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:22:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, Didn't hear from you in a while, so I figured I'd post what you wrote me. If you were planning on posting the news yourself, I apologize! Brian > Brain > I am still a member here. > Laj. There IS NO older tunes worked up for this CD. Just 2 tunes by Buck that > didn't make Revoulution By Night that appear on The BD Archieves Stone Of > Love and Here Comes That Feeling. > Everything else was either written in 1999 or 2000. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 24 10:18:28 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:18:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: Hmm ... not sure I'm real thrilled with these 2 old tunes making it on the new CD. They are both good, but are more of the soft pop-rock that Buck is known for. "Stone of Love" is pretty good (Fanclub co-chair Melne's favorite - I wonder if she had any influence in this tune getting considered for the album?) "Here Comes That Feeling" is nice, but sounds too 80's pop to me to be put on a BOC album in 2001. Still, I'm sure I will enjoy it. Curious though - I recently saw an interview where Buck talked about this being a more cohesive album that the last - adding these tunes would not really support that concept. I haven't yet heard "Dance on Stilts" (or even "Now is the Time the Old Gods Return" for that matter) but fan review has been very positive. Will be really interested to see if a song from Danny ends up on the album - it would be refreshing to get some input from him. John > > >---------- > >From: CultJacket at aol.com > > > [...] > > > >Dance On Stilts is probably the heaviest tune Buck has written. > >It is surprising because it is unlike any tune from him. > >It reminds me of Cream the group. It has that boogie blues feel to > it. > >Has duel Allen and Buck solo's and amazing keyboards by Eric. > >The song atleast live ends with a long jam from the whole group. > >Got the whole scoop on the CD from Buck Stone Of Love and Here Comes > That > >Feeling from the BD Archieve series will be worked for the new CD. > Those were > >written for RB Night. Another tune called January wriiten by Buck > will be on > >there as well,and 3 more Eric tunes besides Hurricane and Old > Gods......I > >think 1 Danny tunes may make it as well. Looks like a great CD. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 24 10:20:37 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:20:37 +0800 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music Message-ID: > Ian Abrahams writes: > > > Does "Snakedance" have the same title as a Davison Doctor Who story by > > design or coincidence? > > On the strength of Snake Dance and Space is Their Palestine, I'd really > really like to have an album of eastern-flavoured music from Hawkwind. Anubian Lights it's in that vein, but it's more of an ex-Hawkwind members thing. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 24 10:42:01 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:42:01 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > > I'd be interested in hearing more about this. > > I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. > > As a matter of > > fact, some of them are painful to watch. The first 3 Stranger videos were attempts to do Dr Who in all but name only, & were in the tradition of the series. The first 2 were ok, the 3 one (In Memory Alone) was undoubtably the best of the Stranger series. Not long after this one was made, the BBC were seriously considering bringing the series back, and so BBV decided to give The Stranger an identity of his ow, & the rest of the series, which I hated, was more in the style of Tarantino. In the end, what the BBC done was an embarrassing 20 min Dr Who-EastEnders crossover? Of the other spin-offs that have been made, the ones I can reccommend as being fairly good upwards are the Auton trilogy, Shakedown, Downtime, & Cyberon. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 24 10:49:48 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:49:48 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > William, > I'd be interested in hearing more about this. > I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. As a matter of > fact, some of them are painful to watch. but just like Hawkwind related > stuff, I'm always interested in Dr. Who related stuff, especially if it has a > HW soundtrack....too cool A magazine titled Doctor Who Bulletin (now called Dream Watch Bulletin) printed an article that stated the script writer for the series at the time (1988) was a fan of Hawkwind, & planned to approach them to do the music for a story to be called Battlefield. If you see that story, you will see that he obviously had seen the Black Sword tour, & was visualizing something similar here. William From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 24 10:47:18 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:47:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: <3A6EF234.1561958C@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > Hmm ... not sure I'm real thrilled with these 2 old tunes making it on > the new CD. They are both good, but are more of the soft pop-rock that > Buck is known for. I'm sure (or at least I hope) the band will tinker with them to make the tunes more modern. I mean, "Sally" and "Gun" by the Brain Surgeons don't sound like they were written in the '70s to me. So it can be done. > Curious though - I recently saw an interview > where Buck talked about this being a more cohesive album that the last - > adding these tunes would not really support that concept. In light of this statement, it sounds like Buck will make sure these other tunes are in keeping with the sound of the rest of the album. Any word on who's providing lyrics for the album? > Will be really interested to see if a song from Danny ends up on the > album - it would be refreshing to get some input from him. Yeah, if Danny puts the same energy into his songs that he displays at gigs, look out.... Brian From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 12:38:42 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:38:42 EST Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Mike, thanks for the explanation of the Stranger series. I had noticed the change from him being the "doctor" but not being called the doctor, to him now having a "non-doctor" identity, I didn't know why then... I get the general gist of the show, but have more problems just staying interested in it. The 1st ep was kind of fun, an even lower budget Dr. Who-ish thing. But most of the later ones are nearly unbearable. What I should have said that I don't get is why anyone likes them. I do have to balance that statement with the fact that I do enjoy seeing all the ghosts of Dr. Who past streaming in and out of the shows, Louis Jamison etc... I was delighted to see Colin Baker take the helm, as I think he was not developed enough as the 6th doctor and I actually liked him. oh, yes, regarding shooting in mines & gravel pits, you forgot to mention: sides of hills & in the woods. bob In a message dated 1/24/01 7:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Bob Lennon writes: > > > William, > > I'd be interested in hearing more about this. > > I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. > > The basic gist of the series is of a kindof understated superhero who > just runs around time saving Earth and the universe and playing the > English country gentleman. > > > As a matter of > > fact, some of them are painful to watch. > > The BBC never ever had big budgets for this sort of thing and usually > regard SF as for kids anyway. That means that alien planets are always > in mines or gravel pits and the aliens are kinda hokey. You can get fond > of Daleks, Cybermen and those Yeti with the little control balls in > their backs. I never really much liked the whole Master thing though. > > Not all the Doctors (they're reanimated after an actor leaves) were very > good at the style though. Troughton, Hartnell, Pertwee and Baker were a > lot better than some of the later guys. Paul McGann could have pulled it > off in the film though, but they trashed that by spending half of it on > setup and having the Master as the baddie rather than the Daleks or > Cybermen. An update of either of those is badly needed. The Borg are > just so much better dressed than the Cybermen and the Shadows are so > much more subtle than the Daleks. It's going to be very hard to top > Morden as an SF baddie. > > FoFP > > From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 14:38:46 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:38:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music In-Reply-To: <002901c08619$350e5510$91c13bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: At 23.20 +0800 24.1.2001, William Duffy wrote: >Anubian Lights it's in that vein, but it's more of an ex-Hawkwind members >thing. I like the first album, but thought the second was lame. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 14:37:13 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:37:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101241223.MAA19727@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP wrote: >Not all the Doctors (they're reanimated after an actor leaves) were very >good at the style though. Troughton, Hartnell, Pertwee and Baker were a >lot better than some of the later guys. How dare you not list Peter Davison, my favorite Doctor!!! Sure Baker was good, but *everyone* says that. I refuse to have him as my favorite on principle :) I like the cricket whites as well :) >Paul McGann could have pulled it >off in the film though, but they trashed that by spending half of it on >setup and having the Master as the baddie rather than the Daleks or >Cybermen. Yup. Cheers, Carl ObCD: Dark Sun, _Ice Ritual_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 14:47:05 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:47:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12.38 -0500 24.1.2001, Bob Lennon wrote: >I was delighted to see Colin Baker take the helm, as I think he was not >developed enough as the 6th doctor and I actually liked him. I don't think the BBC let him do what he really wanted to with the character. AIUI, Colin wanted to hark back to the likes of Hartnell and get a little dark and unpredictable, wheras the Beeb wanted something funny and slapstick -- and of course everyone compared him to Tom Baker. The "Trial of a Timelord" stuff is top notch, though. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 14:48:12 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:48:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <004301c0861d$48951fc0$91c13bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: At 23.49 +0800 24.1.2001, William Duffy wrote: >A magazine titled Doctor Who Bulletin (now called Dream Watch Bulletin) >printed an article that stated the script writer for the series at the time >(1988) was a fan of Hawkwind, & planned to approach them to do the music for >a story to be called Battlefield. >If you see that story, you will see that he obviously had seen the Black >Sword tour, & was visualizing something similar here. Frightening! On the other hand, that's about the right level of production values :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 16:41:00 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:41:00 EST Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: In a message dated 01-01-24 11:45:38 EST, you write: << Any word on who's providing lyrics for the album? >> As far I as I've heard they are all J Shirley lyrics with the exception of Stone Of Love which is R Meltzer and Here Comes That Feeling which is Dick Trisman From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 16:39:15 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:39:15 EST Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: Brian, No I wasn't going to post any news about the new CD. Because I never like to post any details about BOC because i'm not in the band. But hey its cool, Just nobody stop from buying the BD Archieve series because 2 tunes from it will appear on the new CD. No problem Brian. Anyway John I do think that Stone Of Love will be a bit different than it was for the Archieve Series. Buck did tell me the recording of it went really well. Here Comes That Feeling may be the ticket for adult contempory radio if its pushed hard enough. I think we will have a very diverse BOC CD that will cover all ranges of music throghout thier career. CJ From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jan 24 17:49:02 2001 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:49:02 -0000 Subject: OFF : Where's the cheapest blank audio discs? In-Reply-To: <004801c085b7$885735a0$c04a1818@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Currently Tescos are selling cased 80min imation at 20 for ?8.99 or 50 spindle at 19.99 Brian From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Jan 24 18:13:11 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:13:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: The only question I have is... Wait for it........ WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE RELEASED? Returning you to your regular progrmming... Mike H. Chris Martin wrote: > Brian, > No I wasn't going to post any news about the new CD. Because I never > like to post any details about BOC because i'm not in the band. > But hey its cool, Just nobody stop from buying the BD Archieve series because > 2 tunes from it will appear on the new CD. > No problem Brian. > Anyway John I do think that Stone Of Love will be a bit different than it was > for the Archieve Series. Buck did tell me the recording of it went really > well. > Here Comes That Feeling may be the ticket for adult contempory radio if its > pushed hard enough. > I think we will have a very diverse BOC CD that will cover all ranges of > music throghout thier career. > CJ > > -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Wed Jan 24 18:39:20 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:39:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: irock? Message-ID: Steve Swann, are you still out there? Is irock alive? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 19:50:28 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:50:28 -0600 Subject: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music In-Reply-To: <200101241225.MAA20341@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music : :Ian Abrahams writes: : :> Does "Snakedance" have the same title as a Davison Doctor Who story by :> design or coincidence? : :On the strength of Snake Dance and Space is Their Palestine, I'd really :really like to have an album of eastern-flavoured music from Hawkwind. Agreed, but then again I have always had a penchant for eastern music. Ozrics do fairly well with using Eastern influences; I'm sure that Hawkwind could do just as well, if not better. Arin (lousy weeks 'r' us) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 19:55:20 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:55:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101241223.MAA19727@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. : Who :> As a matter of :> fact, some of them are painful to watch. : :The BBC never ever had big budgets for this sort of thing and usually :regard SF as for kids anyway. That means that alien planets are always :in mines or gravel pits and the aliens are kinda hokey. You can get fond :of Daleks, Cybermen and those Yeti with the little control balls in :their backs. I never really much liked the whole Master thing though. Well, Anthony Delgado was such a good classic heavy, though. Anthony Ainley just didn't do him justice. :Not all the Doctors (they're reanimated after an actor leaves) were very :good at the style though. Troughton, Hartnell, Pertwee and Baker were a :lot better than some of the later guys. Paul McGann could have pulled it :off in the film though, but they trashed that by spending half of it on :setup and having the Master as the baddie rather than the Daleks or :Cybermen. An update of either of those is badly needed. The Borg are :just so much better dressed than the Cybermen and the Shadows are so :much more subtle than the Daleks. It's going to be very hard to top :Morden as an SF baddie. Yes, but not having good special effects normally reveals better acting. American SF is really quite good for special effects, and rather horrible for anything else. Dr. Who isn't a good match for B5, as one was ostensibly a children's show, and one wasn't. B7 and B5 are better matched, and I always preferred B7. Then again, I like my heroes with more than one dimension. Arin (but perhaps this is because I find that the best Strazynski(sp?) show was still _The Real Ghostbusters_) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 19:57:02 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:57:02 -0600 Subject: HW: books? In-Reply-To: <200101241206.MAA11332@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: books? : :Gave'n'Dave's "Born To Go" book is well worth a read. didn't know about this one. :> What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? : :Centigrade 232 and Earth Ritual. thanks. :> (...and does anyone have any idea where I can track any of these down? :> ebay, abebooks, and bibliofind haven't been of much use.) : :The Calvert stuff does come up occasionally in Ebay or Gem. You could :also try bibliofind.com which I've always found great for nailing out of :print books. I have Gavin Wilson's address at home and I'll look it up :for you if nobody else has a handier way to find Born To Go. I've tried bibliofind, but they haven't panned out for me yet. If you can dig out the address for Gavin, I'd appreciate it. Arin (behind on reading boc-l, can you tell?) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 19:58:54 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:58:54 -0600 Subject: HW: books? In-Reply-To: <11F0EB9590C@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Maxine Wesley wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: books? : :> > What are the Bob Calvert poem collections called? :> :> CENTIGRADE 232 and EARTH RITUAL. Very limited small press editions only; I :> picked up my C232 at a Hawklords gig. Good luck! : :Doesn't sound too promising eh Arin? For a quick fix try pointing yer :old browser at: : :http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calwor1.htm : Thanks for the pointers! I'd found the Calvert pages before, but never perused them in the manner that they deserve. I'll rectify that shortly ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 19:59:22 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:59:22 EST Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Ahhh, The Trial of the Timelord series is one of my all time favs. Colin Baker was a refreshing change from Davison, at the time, I couldn't wait for him to go, then he got Perry, that kept me happy for a few eps, C. Baker's first show was amazing, I don't think there's many show's where the "Doc" was trying to do away with his companion. bob In a message dated 1/24/01 11:59:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, scylding at CARLAZ.COM writes: > >I was delighted to see Colin Baker take the helm, as I think he was not > >developed enough as the 6th doctor and I actually liked him. > > I don't think the BBC let him do what he really wanted to with the > character. AIUI, Colin wanted to hark back to the likes of Hartnell > and get a little dark and unpredictable, wheras the Beeb wanted > something funny and slapstick -- and of course everyone compared him > to Tom Baker. The "Trial of a Timelord" stuff is top notch, though. > > Cheers, > Carl > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 20:03:19 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:03:19 -0600 Subject: HW: Kris' Book In-Reply-To: <3A6EAADE.682CDAEA@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Keith Barton wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Kris' Book : :Michael Blackman wrote: : :> How can I get my hands on a copy of the Hawkwind book written by Kris :> Tait?? Any good helpers out there? : :Yeah, me too. I used to have a copy but, several years ago, lent it to a :'friend' who then lent it to someone else. - I never saw it again :( :If anyone out there has a spare copy they'd like to sell or knows where :I can get one then please get in touch. Add me to the list of folks who'd like to get a copy of this. Hey, Kris .... any chance in heck we'll see a new edition of this? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 20:11:56 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:11:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Bob Lennon wrote: :Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who : :William, :I'd be interested in hearing more about this. :I watched most of the Stranger series and I just never got it. As a matter of :fact, some of them are painful to watch. but just like Hawkwind related :stuff, I'm always interested in Dr. Who related stuff, especially if it has a :HW soundtrack....too cool :bob random dr who/hawkwind note... astralasia, who remixed hawkwind for spirit of the age and uncle sam's on mars, has a remix of the dr. who theme on cleopatra's sci-fi-cafe. Arin (it's quite good, too.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Jan 24 20:32:03 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:32:03 EST Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/01 4:24:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > The BBC never ever had big budgets for this sort of thing and usually > regard SF as for kids anyway. That means that alien planets are always > in mines or gravel pits and the aliens are kinda hokey. You can get fond > of Daleks, Cybermen and those Yeti with the little control balls in > their backs. I never really much liked the whole Master thing though. The master was great, especially the 1st: Roger Delgado, but like with Blakes 7, using Servalan (sp?) they over did a good thing, they both were on so many eps you start to think they should re-name the show. Anthony Ainley (the 3rd master) carried on the tradition pretty well (being in too many shows) but was fairly faithful to the roll. In truth, I liked Eric Roberts (somewhat) as the 4th master, but only hope he never stays on in any future shows, if there are any. bob From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jan 24 20:34:53 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:34:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. : Who : :At 12.38 -0500 24.1.2001, Bob Lennon wrote: :>I was delighted to see Colin Baker take the helm, as I think he was not :>developed enough as the 6th doctor and I actually liked him. : :I don't think the BBC let him do what he really wanted to with the :character. AIUI, Colin wanted to hark back to the likes of Hartnell :and get a little dark and unpredictable, wheras the Beeb wanted :something funny and slapstick -- and of course everyone compared him :to Tom Baker. The "Trial of a Timelord" stuff is top notch, though. : Part of the problem that I had with Colin was that I first saw him as a villain in both Dr. Who (he was in the Arc of Infinity, during Davison's era) and Blakes' 7 (as Bayban the Beserker in the episode City at the Edge of the World). I think he is an absolutely fantastic villian, but is a bit weak in the hero department. I also managed to catch him on stage in '89 in Brighton at the tail end of the dr who stage play that was running at the time. He was quite marvellous as a slightly villanous Doctor. Pity his time on the show wasn't as good (ducking flames). Arin (everyone saw the red nose day beeb special, right? I think Rowan Atkinson would make a great doctor ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 24 21:23:09 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:23:09 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > random dr who/hawkwind note... > > astralasia, who remixed hawkwind for spirit of the age and uncle sam's on > mars, has a remix of the dr. who theme on cleopatra's sci-fi-cafe. > And Blood Donor recorded a track called Doctor ? William From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Jan 24 23:30:07 2001 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Erebus) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:30:07 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Martin" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: BOC: New Song and Album News > Brain > I am still a member here. > Laj. There IS NO older tunes worked up for this CD. Just 2 tunes by Buck that > didn't make Revoulution By Night that appear on The BD Archieves Stone Of > Love and Here Comes That Feeling. > Everything else was either written in 1999 or 2000. > Great to hear! After reading your post I pulled out the BD Archive set and gave Stone of Love and Here Comes That Feeling a fresh listen, great tunes, can hardly wait to hear these gems remastered. I especially like HCTF, great little riff going on in the chorus. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Jan 24 23:40:53 2001 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Erebus) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:40:53 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Habiby" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: BOC: New Song and Album News > The only question I have is... > WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE RELEASED? > I heard in June from a few people. In a Classic Rock Revisited interview, Buck said June 15 was the day. Looks like the smart money is on June :-). From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 25 03:05:21 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:05:21 +0800 Subject: HW: Kris' Book Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Kris' Book > :Michael Blackman wrote: > : > :> How can I get my hands on a copy of the Hawkwind book written by Kris Tait?? Any good helpers out there? > : > Add me to the list of folks who'd like to get a copy of this. > > Hey, Kris .... any chance in heck we'll see a new edition of this? > > Arin > -- Add me to this list please:-) Cheers Bill From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jan 25 03:05:52 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:05:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <8c.1816486.27a0d46a@aol.com> Message-ID: >Ahhh, The Trial of the Timelord series is one of my all time favs. >Colin Baker was a refreshing change from Davison, at the time, I couldn't >wait for him to go, then he got Perry, that kept me happy for a few eps, C. >Baker's first show was amazing, I don't think there's many show's where the >"Doc" was trying to do away with his companion. Yes, that was quite good, and I think more the direction that Colin wanted to take the character. And that would have been a good direction in which to go, following up Davision (who *I* could have happily seen more of!! So there! :) But Perry? Noooooooooo .....! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Thu Jan 25 03:09:28 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:09:28 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: <004701c08689$259a88e0$72298e8b@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: >> The only question I have is... >> WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE RELEASED? >> > >I heard in June from a few people. In a Classic Rock Revisited interview, >Buck said June 15 was the day. Looks like the smart money is on June :-). Since as we know, BOC albums are never, ever, ever delayed .... and delayed .... and delayed .... No, never! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 04:17:41 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:17:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? Could someone help me out here, please?..... Layla >>> scylding at CARLAZ.COM 01/24/01 07:47pm >>> At 12.38 -0500 24.1.2001, Bob Lennon wrote: >I was delighted to see Colin Baker take the helm, as I think he was not >developed enough as the 6th doctor and I actually liked him. I don't think the BBC let him do what he really wanted to with the character. AIUI, Colin wanted to hark back to the likes of Hartnell and get a little dark and unpredictable, wheras the Beeb wanted something funny and slapstick -- and of course everyone compared him to Tom Baker. The "Trial of a Timelord" stuff is top notch, though. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:03:32 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:03:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1779 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:39:49 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:39:49 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:55:20 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > :Not all the Doctors (they're reanimated after an actor leaves) were very > :good at the style though. Troughton, Hartnell, Pertwee and Baker were a > :lot better than some of the later guys. Paul McGann could have pulled it > :off in the film though, but they trashed that by spending half of it on > :setup and having the Master as the baddie rather than the Daleks or > :Cybermen. An update of either of those is badly needed. The Borg are > :just so much better dressed than the Cybermen and the Shadows are so > :much more subtle than the Daleks. It's going to be very hard to top > :Morden as an SF baddie. > > Yes, but not having good special effects normally reveals better > acting. American SF is really quite good for special effects, > and rather horrible for anything else. > > Dr. Who isn't a good match for B5, as one was ostensibly a children's > show, and one wasn't. B7 and B5 are better matched, and I always > preferred B7. Then again, I like my heroes with more than one dimension. I can't go with that 1-D thing. Babylon 5 was very good in having good guys that had faults (Delenn started the Minbari-Human war out of revenge for a human mistake, G'Kar was simply a speciesist bastard until his slow redemption, Garibaldi was an alcoholic, Vir did good mostly by mistake, and Lennier crosses the line through jealousy of Sheridan) and bad guys who were just trying to do their best by their own lights (Londo wanted what was best for his planet and fell in with Morden who was simply too clever for him - the rest is Londo's struggle to do some good in the middle of the galaxywreck that he's causing while trying not to let his own people suffer the fallout). OK, the acting was often bad, but the main characters were rarely plotted as one dimensional. I liked Blake's Seven, but they all acted as if they were in a xmas pantomime. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:43:06 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:43:06 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Layla Thompson's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:17:41 +0000 Message-ID: Layla Thompson writes: > Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? > > I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? > > Could someone help me out here, please?..... Most Hawkwind fans are also SF fans in the range "passing" to "freak". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 06:49:24 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:49:24 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:03:32 +0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > Having never heard of Morden I strayed onto the B5 (Babylon 5) wesite & > ascertained this: > > > Morden was executed by Londo Mollari. A member of the same > expedition Sheridan's wife was on, Morden worked for the Shadows. > He wasoften accompanied by one or two of them, though they're > invisible to most people." (no photo was available!!!) "Never a major > player, he was always ready to talk to Londo and pass messages to and > from his "associates." Morden was meticulously polite, but nonetheless > was a menacing presence who could casually discuss the deaths of tens > of thousands of Narn as easily as most people talk about the weather. > He was involved with dealings between Shadows and the corrupt Earth > government as well." > > Doesn't sound like such a bad egg..... The cunning thing of course is that he really wasn't. He did the sales spiel for the Shadows in the vein of a car salesman "Hey, Ambassador Londo. Want to completely destroy several Narn planets; bomb their homeword into the stoneage; gain fame and fortune; become Emperor of Centari Prime? Well, just walk this way..." Well no. He simply asked "What do you want?" and of course the above is what Londo thought he wanted. That "minor character" comment is a major calumny IMHO. The Shadows were menacing precisely because just about all you saw of them was this polite, if not amiable, character, and some wicked looking spacecraft that could slice'n'dice just about everything in the galaxy. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 25 08:16:00 2001 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:16:00 +0000 Subject: Kris' Book In-Reply-To: <00d301c085eb$8e97dda0$b8e7223f@com.au> Message-ID: In article <00d301c085eb$8e97dda0$b8e7223f at com.au>, Michael Blackman writes > How can I get my hands on a copy of the Hawkwind book written by > Kris Tait?? > You could keep an eye on ebay. The last copy was up to forty bucks before I gave up. -- Jon From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 25 08:48:18 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:48:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: > John Swartz wrote: > > Hmm ... not sure I'm real thrilled with these 2 old tunes making it on > > the new CD. They are both good, but are more of the soft pop-rock that > > Buck is known for. > > I'm sure (or at least I hope) the band will tinker with them to make the > tunes more modern. I mean, "Sally" and "Gun" by the Brain Surgeons don't > sound like they were written in the '70s to me. So it can be done. Yes, it can be done, but I don't necessarily think it will be. We will see, and I'm sure I will find them enjoyable, but I would point out that "Live For Me" from *Heaven Forbid* sounds like it could have been written for *Club Ninja* (would have been the best track on the album) and "Harvest Moon" has a definite late 70s/early 80s feel to it IMHO. > Yeah, if Danny puts the same energy into his songs that he displays at gigs, > look out.... By the way, Danny apparently has been keeping himself busy with other musical projects. He and Al Pitrelli put out a CD under the band name "A Place Called Rage", and Danny is also listed as the bassplayer for the Vick LeCar band (www.vicklecar.com). I haven't heard any of this stuff so I can't comment on if Danny wrote anything, or sings anything on them. > No I wasn't going to post any news about the new CD. Because I never > like to post any details about BOC because i'm not in the band. Hey post away - anything that comes up on online BOC forums is, IMHO fair game for posting on BOC-L. Of course, if the band is not the source, it shouldn't be cited as necessarily fact. On the other hand it is a fact that "Dance on Stilts" has been played live and you don't need the band to tell you that. :-) > But hey its cool, Just nobody stop from buying the BD Archieve series because > 2 tunes from it will appear on the new CD. Hey, if the fact that "The Big 3" are on them . . . ;-) > Anyway John I do think that Stone Of Love will be a bit different than it was > for the Archieve Series. Buck did tell me the recording of it went really > well. Cool. It is a decent song - I just prefer more of the hard-edged BOC. > Here Comes That Feeling may be the ticket for adult contempory radio if its > pushed hard enough. See previous comment. Also, I hold absolutely ZERO hope that anything on the new album will receive anything more than scant radio airplay. *Heaven Forbid* made me a believer in that. The only thing I wish for this upcoming album is that it is released, that I get a copy (preferably the first day it is in stores), and that the band sells enough (mostly to its current fanbase) for them to have considered it a worthwhile endeavor. > I think we will have a very diverse BOC CD that will cover all ranges of > music throghout thier career. I think I know what you mean, but just to be a smartass, I would point out that I have plenty of CDs that cover BOC's earlier years of their career, and I would prefer a CD that reflects the current years of their career. ;-) > >I heard in June from a few people. In a Classic Rock Revisited interview, > >Buck said June 15 was the day. Looks like the smart money is on June :-). > > Since as we know, BOC albums are never, ever, ever delayed .... > > and delayed .... > > and delayed .... > > No, never! > > ;) LOL - Of course Carl is right. However I would point out that: 1. Most of the delays of *Heaven Forbid* dealt with the fact that BOC couldn't get a record deal. That is not an issue for this upcoming release as CMC had agreed over a year ago to release it. 2. The upcoming album HAS already been delayed and delayed. Original release data was early 2000, then fall of 2000, then spring of 2000, and now June 15. Of course, June 15 is a Friday, and albums typcially are released in stores on Tuesdays, so I wouldn't quote Buck on that EXACT date. But, we DO know that BOC has been recording and mixing tracks for the album - the recording may even be done. So, while I wouldn't rule out another delay, I think that the odds of getting a new BOC album in 2001 are quite high. John PS: The next revision of the BOC FAQ will not come out until the new album is released - so, don't blame me, blame the band... ;-) ;-) ;-) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 25 07:54:12 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:54:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>> The only question I have is... >>> WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE RELEASED? >>> >> >> I heard in June from a few people. In a Classic Rock Revisited interview, >> Buck said June 15 was the day. Looks like the smart money is on June :-). > > Since as we know, BOC albums are never, ever, ever delayed .... > > and delayed .... > > and delayed .... > > No, never! > > ;) > > Cheers, > Carl I heard that Eric has retroactively promised the album for Fall 2000, so it can be properly released this June. ;-) Brian > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:scylding at carlaz.com > http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 25 08:04:46 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:04:46 EDT Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: <3A702E13.3E1FA2B1@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 25 Jan 01, at 8:48, John A. Swartz wrote: > See previous comment. Also, I hold absolutely ZERO hope that anything > on the new album will receive anything more than scant radio airplay. > *Heaven Forbid* made me a believer in that. Yep, too true. If SYiB and HM can't get played, then nothing can. Pearls before swine... theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 25 09:47:11 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:47:11 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? > > I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? > > Could someone help me out here, please?..... > > Layla Hi there It started through a query I have made to Dave Brock. I'm working on an independent Dr Who spin-off video, & am interested in using Hawkwind music in the soundtrack. The discussion has shot-off from that. William From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jan 25 10:05:49 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:05:49 +0200 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years Message-ID: Hi! Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention "HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Thu Jan 25 10:14:43 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:14:43 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years In-Reply-To: <200101251505.f0PF5nC18549@kauha.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: Hi Miikka, >Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords >with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention >"HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? I think the "25 Years On" version is the original one. (c)IAO D'a new happy AN1x user :-)'+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jan 25 10:29:16 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:29:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251149.LAA11059@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >That "minor character" comment is a major calumny IMHO. The Shadows were >menacing precisely because just about all you saw of them was this >polite, if not amiable, character, and some wicked looking spacecraft >that could slice'n'dice just about everything in the galaxy. ah, but that smirk.... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 10:43:39 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:43:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251149.LAA11059@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. : Who : :The cunning thing of course is that he really wasn't. He did the sales :spiel for the Shadows in the vein of a car salesman "Hey, Ambassador :Londo. Want to completely destroy several Narn planets; bomb their :homeword into the stoneage; gain fame and fortune; become Emperor of :Centari Prime? Well, just walk this way..." *laugh* :Well no. He simply asked "What do you want?" and of course the above is :what Londo thought he wanted. : :That "minor character" comment is a major calumny IMHO. The Shadows were :menacing precisely because just about all you saw of them was this :polite, if not amiable, character, and some wicked looking spacecraft :that could slice'n'dice just about everything in the galaxy. agreed. I think my favorite sequence of the B5 series (as opposed to the original pilot, which is still my favorite, but I'm weird ;-) ) is the Morden/Molari/Vir interactions. ...but I never did buy g'kar as a christ-like figure.... Arin (great fan of all the "nonmajor" characters in B5, Vir/Lennier/Morden/etc.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 11:06:52 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:06:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:43:39 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > I think my favorite sequence of the B5 series (as opposed to the > original pilot, which is still my favorite, but I'm weird ;-) ) is > the Morden/Molari/Vir interactions. You mean "The Gathering" as opposed to the cobbled-together "In The Beginning"? I think my fave bits were the three episodes dealing with Babylon 4. If they do another series/movie then IMHO it should deal with the Sinclair/Valen character in the B4 Shadow war and the Minbari Prime and Narn homeworld stuff of the same period. Doing "Crusade" as a five year mission thing was complete cack. The other big thing yet to be done is of course the Psi-War that occurred between the demise of B5 and the start of Crusade. bester was a good enough baddie that his nemesis surely has to be done at some point - probably with a tragic reunion with Carolyn. > ...but I never did buy g'kar as a christ-like figure.... I was watching a movie with this character in it and thinking "Dammit, I know that guy's voice and gestures, where have I seen him before??" It took 2/3 of the film before I figured out it was G'Kar. > Arin > (great fan of all the "nonmajor" characters in B5, > Vir/Lennier/Morden/etc.) I also reckon Micael O'Hare made a much more commanding Captain than Bruce Boxleitner, but neither were ever as scary as Delenn in a bad mood. That moment during the first military faceoff with Earth was classic: "If you want to live. Be somewhere else." FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 11:54:18 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:54:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251606.QAA17793@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Arin Komins writes: : :> I think my favorite sequence of the B5 series (as opposed to the :> original pilot, which is still my favorite, but I'm weird ;-) ) is :> the Morden/Molari/Vir interactions. : :You mean "The Gathering" as opposed to the cobbled-together "In The :Beginning"? Whichever was the original unsold pilot. The one with Delenn as gender neutral ;-) :I think my fave bits were the three episodes dealing with Babylon 4. If :they do another series/movie then IMHO it should deal with the :Sinclair/Valen character in the B4 Shadow war and the Minbari Prime and :Narn homeworld stuff of the same period. Doing "Crusade" as a five year :mission thing was complete cack. The other big thing yet to be done is :of course the Psi-War that occurred between the demise of B5 and the :start of Crusade. bester was a good enough baddie that his nemesis :surely has to be done at some point - probably with a tragic reunion :with Carolyn. I like these too ;-) (...and walter koenig as Bester was utterly fantastic. Now *he* made a great villain. So many heads and shoulders above any Star Dreck performance.) :> ...but I never did buy g'kar as a christ-like figure.... : :I was watching a movie with this character in it and thinking "Dammit, I :know that guy's voice and gestures, where have I seen him before??" It :took 2/3 of the film before I figured out it was G'Kar. huh. I don't know if I've ever seen him out of the gear. Was it a good performance? :I also reckon Micael O'Hare made a much more commanding Captain than :Bruce Boxleitner, but neither were ever as scary as Delenn in a bad :mood. That moment during the first military faceoff with Earth was :classic: "If you want to live. Be somewhere else." Yes, agreed. Bruce should have stuck to Tron ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jan 25 11:53:38 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:53:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251606.QAA17793@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >I also reckon Micael O'Hare made a much more commanding Captain than >Bruce Boxleitner, but neither were ever as scary as Delenn in a bad >mood. That moment during the first military faceoff with Earth was >classic: "If you want to live. Be somewhere else." to nitpick, it went: "Only one human captain has ever survived battle with the Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else." ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jan 25 11:56:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: books Message-ID: Just to put the record straight about the David Watson "Born to go" book (a.k.a. "Hawkwind in the 70s"), the author has no copies left at all. After much pleading, he dug his final draft (marked up!) from his attic, to my great delight. But that's the lot. Other copies of the book will need to be sourced via usual second hand outlets, I think. Steve Litchfield From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 12:00:31 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:00:31 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:54:18 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > :I was watching a movie with this character in it and thinking "Dammit, I > :know that guy's voice and gestures, where have I seen him before??" It > :took 2/3 of the film before I figured out it was G'Kar. > > huh. I don't know if I've ever seen him out of the gear. Was it a good > performance? He's pretty good. In fact once I recognised him, I realised he's been a mafioso or a cop in several movies. FoFP From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Jan 25 12:02:03 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:02:03 -0500 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years Message-ID: >Hi Miikka and Denis, Yeah the '25 Years On' was the original version. It was the first ever Hawkwind album that I bought as a new release. Mark From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 12:08:25 2001 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:08:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Date sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:17:41 +0000 From: Layla Thompson Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? > > I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? Apart from Dr Who being a Timelord...virtually nothing. Perhaps we should compile a list of newsgroups to consider redirecting our OFF: subject headers to - I have found a few that might be appropriate (see below) alt.aliens alt.aliens.they-are-here alt.fan.samantha-fox alt.floors.uk alt.marketplace.books.sf alt.music.arabic alt.my.head.hurts alt.newbie alt.overlords alt.quit.smoking.support alt.religion.wombat alt.sci.time-travel alt.silly-group.radish-therapy alt.society.zeitgeist alt.startrek.vs.babylon5 alt.startrek.vs.dr-who alt.support.alzheimers alt.support.attn.defecit alt.support.attn.defecit.mates alt.support.jack-strap alt.support.narcolepsy alt.surrealism alt.test.my.new.group alt.thebird.hippie alt.thinking.hurts alt.toilet.paper.2-ply alt.tv.babylon-5 alt.ufo.reports alt.video.tape-trading.pal alt.videos.bootlegs alt.women.shesaid alt.unix.wizards alt.video.bootlegs cl.gruppen.geworkshaften (?) de.rec.sf.babylon5.misc hawaii.nortle info.grass.programmer it.media.tv.fantacienza microsoft.public.multimedia.directx.dshow.programming pl.re.fantasyka.babylon5 rec.arts.comics.alternatives rec.arts.drwho rec.arts/sf.reviews rec.audio.high-end rec.aviation.stories rec.collecting.bottles.beer rec.drugs.cannabis rec.drugs.chemistry rec.drugs.psychedelic rec.drugs.smart rec.food.drink.beer rec.music.makers.guitar rec.pets.cats.rescue rec.travel.budget.backpack sci.astro.amateur sci.cryonics sci-med.cannabis sci.med.diseases.mental.autism sci.med.midwifery sci.physics slo.punks soc.culture.palestine soc.ord.rotary-club soc.retirement talk.politics.mideast uk.adverts.other uk.politics.drugs uk.rec.bodybuilding > Could someone help me out here, please?..... It happens from time to time around here. Small numbers of us stray off topic - it's down to our age and concentrational ability... HTH M at xine From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 12:13:40 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:13:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Layla Thompson wrote: :Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? : :I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? : :Could someone help me out here, please?..... : :Layla Layla, Sorry, that's 'cause a bunch of us are also sf fans ;-) Though, we tend to mark appropriately (OFF:), so if you just want to stick with the HW material, set the listserv to only give you HW material. to do so, just send a message to listserv at listserv.spc.edu with a message body of: SET BOC-L TOPICS: HW (accepted topics are BOC, NIK, OTHER, ALL, BRAIN, and HW) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Jan 25 12:34:32 2001 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:34:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates Message-ID: Just got in these news: > PORCUPINE TREE - EUROPEAN TOUR - 2001 > > As of January 22nd, these are the confirmed Porcupine Tree dates for the > first half of 2001: > > February 14 UK Bristol New Trinity Centre > February 15 UK Leeds Irish Centre > February 16 UK Glasgow King Tuts > February 17 UK Widnes Queens Hall > February 18 UK Northampton Roadmender > February 19 UK Norwich Arts Centre > March 14 Holland Amsterdam Paradiso > March 15 Holland Tilburg 013 >I?ll be there!< > March 16 Holland Zoetermeer De Boerderij > March 17 Belgium Vosselaar Biebob > March 18 Germany Cologne MTC > March 20 Germany Hamburg Knust > March 22 Denmark Copenhagen Stengade 30 > March 23 Sweden Boras Kashmir > March 24 Denmark Odense Rytemposte > March 26 Germany Freibourg Jazz Haus > March 27 Germany Mainz Kulturzentrum KUZ > March 28 Germany Gottingen Outpost > March 29 Germany Essen Carl Zeche >And probably here as well!< > March 30 Germany Karlsruhe Substage > March 31 Germany Aschaffenbourg Colos Saal > April 1 Germany Berlin Knaack > April 2 Germany Leipzig Moritzbastei > April 3 Germany Dresden Star Club > April 4 Poland Poznan Zamek > April 5 Poland Warsaw Proxima > April 6 Poland Warsaw Polish Radio 3 (live radio broadcast) > April 7 Poland Lodz Faraon > April 8 Poland Krakow UPC Theatre > April 20 Greece Athens Rodon > April 21 Greece Athens Rodon > April 22 Greece Salonika Mylos > April 24 Italy Turin Barrumba > April 25 Italy Florence Tenax > April 26 Italy Rome Palacisalfa > April 27 Italy Venice Magic Bus > April 28 Italy Milan Leonkavallo > May 11 UK London Shepherds Bush Empire > June 23 USA Bethlehem, PA NEAR Fest / Lehigh University > Support on all the UK shows will be Rothko, except London, where it will > be Anathema and Rothko. Support at the Swedish show will be Opeth. > The London show is also being recorded for a live album. There is likely > to be some other dates added in the USA. > > LIGHTBULB SUN SPECIAL EDITION > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to serve > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This > bonus CD will contain three tracks, all of them available on other KScope > releases, plus an enhanced element containing the video for Piano > Lessons, a full discography and an image gallery. The only change to the > packaging for the album will be the addition of a slipcase (cold instead > of hot) with credits for the additional CD printed on the back and a > sticker with quotes from German reviews of "Lightbulb Sun" on the front. > > The additional CD tracks are : > 1. Buying New Soul - edit (taken from the forthcoming album "Recordings") > 2. Pure Narcotic (from "Stupid Dream") > 3. Tinto Brass - live at Southampton (taken from the "Pure Narcotic" CD > single) > > Although the main purpose of this 2 CD edition is to raise the band's > profile in Germany, a limited number are being exported to other > countries and it will be available from The Freak Emporium > (http://www.freakemporium.com)via mail order. Helicon Records > in Israel are also planning to release the 2 CD edition domestically in > late March. > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection of EP > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. > > NO-MAN - RETURNING JESUS > No-Man's new album "Returning Jesus" is finally available. > No-Man is the duo of Tim Bowness (vocals) and Steven Wilson (instruments) > and this is their first new album since 1996's 'Wild Opera'. Uniquely > combining disparate influences from chamber jazz and classical to > experimental pop, and possessed of a singer-songwriter intimacy and > intensity, 'Returning Jesus' ranks as the finest achievement in the > band's decade long career. > > The official street date for the album is February 26th, but it is > available now via mailorder for the postage inclusive price of ?10.00 > (UK), ?10.50 (Europe), ?11.00 (Rest of the World). > > Telephone orders : +44 (0)1536-202295 > Fax orders : +44 (0)1536-266246 > Email orders : 3rdstone at adasam.demon.co.uk > Visa, Mastercard and American Express credit cards and Visa Delta debit > cards accepted. > > Orders are dispatched every day and cards are billed at the same time. > Cheques drawn on a UK bank only. Sterling postal orders or international > money orders should be made payable to THIRD STONE LIMITED and sent to: > PO BOX 8, CORBY, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, NN17 2XZ, ENGLAND. > > Porcupine Tree e-transmission Ends. > Andreas From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 13:03:52 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:03:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251700.RAA14075@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: [snip -- we are talking about andreas katsulas -- g'kar from b5] :> huh. I don't know if I've ever seen him out of the gear. Was it a good :> performance? : :He's pretty good. In fact once I recognised him, I realised he's been :a mafioso or a cop in several movies. I had no idea he's been in so much. http://us.imdb.com/Name?Katsulas,+Andreas Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 13:08:03 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <200101251139.LAA06326@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :I can't go with that 1-D thing. Babylon 5 was very good in having good :guys that had faults (Delenn started the Minbari-Human war out of :revenge for a human mistake, G'Kar was simply a speciesist bastard until :his slow redemption, Garibaldi was an alcoholic, Vir did good mostly by :mistake, and Lennier crosses the line through jealousy of Sheridan) and :bad guys who were just trying to do their best by their own lights :(Londo wanted what was best for his planet and fell in with Morden who :was simply too clever for him - the rest is Londo's struggle to do some :good in the middle of the galaxywreck that he's causing while trying not :to let his own people suffer the fallout). :OK, the acting was often bad, but the main characters were rarely :plotted as one dimensional. I liked Blake's Seven, but they all acted as :if they were in a xmas pantomime. yes, there was semidecent backstory, but the acting.....ugh. of course, being on this side of the pond, I don't know if I've ever seen an xmas pantomime. Or any pantomime, ever. What am I missing? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jan 25 13:11:44 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:11:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Maxine Wesley wrote: :As far as beating him in the baddie stakes I offer: : :0000,0000,0000ArialBaron Harkonnen (Dune) - (he's uncannily like one of my old :bosses......http://wso.williams.edu/~mhacker/Dune/baron.jpg ) or ah, the baron from dune. One of my alltime favorite opponents from an SF series.... :7F00,0000,0000Arial> B7 and B5 are better matched, : :Please say you are not referring to Blake 7! yup. Scarily enough, I'm quite a fan. Arin (not that anyone could have guessed so by now ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 25 13:29:39 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:29:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > I was watching a movie with this character in it and thinking "Dammit, I > know that guy's voice and gestures, where have I seen him before??" It > took 2/3 of the film before I figured out it was G'Kar. See Harrison Ford's The_Fugitive. Andreas plays the One Armed Man. He is a Shakespearean trained actor and Peter Jurasic once said that if you wanted an answer out of Andreas get him before he got into is makeup because from then on only G'Kar was there. Interesting, Yes? > > > I also reckon Michael O'Hare made a much more commanding Captain than > Bruce Boxleitner, but neither were ever as scary as Delenn in a bad > mood. That moment during the first military faceoff with Earth was > classic: "If you want to live. Be somewhere else." Agreed on Delenn but not Boxleitner vs O'Hare. Always though that O'Hare's delivery was too one-dimensional. Pre Zha'adum (sp?) Boxlietner is much better than post Zha'adum Boxleitner though, IMHO. ______________________________________ Arin Komins wrote: > > > (...and walter koenig as Bester was utterly fantastic. Now *he* made > a great villain. So many heads and shoulders above any Star Dreck > performance.) In fact I can't even see him as anyone but Bester anymore. That fat headed Checkov was such a sad role for him. I want to point attention to the two post video book series. MUST read for anyone interested in cannon for B5 as they were basically set up by JMS even if not written by him. The first is the Psy Corps series. The second the Centuri Prime series. Can't recommend them enough. The third PsyCorps book is so good IMHO that it could stand alone, and allows us to see into the mind of Bester, understand him better, even (gasp) like him. The Centuri books give excellent closure from the series with many scenes from that two part episode where Sinclair becomes Valenn cut into the books. Now back to your regularly scheduled HAWKWIND AND BOC programming.................. 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Man, he's a butt-ugly SOB, eh? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 25 13:51:20 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:51:20 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:08:03 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > of course, being on this side of the pond, I don't know if I've > ever seen an xmas pantomime. Or any pantomime, ever. What am I missing? To be honest I've only ever seen wotsisname who played "Avon" in Blake's Seven doing a panto version of a Discworld story. I've never been to a proper xmas panto like Dick Whittington. I've had a deprived childhood I have. > Arin Mike "He's behind you..." Holmes From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 25 13:53:40 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:53:40 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey now, I'm not THAT old, and I can concentrate on.............uh, what were we at? KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Maxine Wesley Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:08 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Date sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:17:41 +0000 From: Layla Thompson Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > Could someone help me out here, please?..... It happens from time to time around here. Small numbers of us stray off topic - it's down to our age and concentrational ability... HTH M at xine From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jan 25 13:58:13 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:58:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. In-Reply-To: <3A707093.6080009@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: >Agreed on Delenn but not Boxleitner vs O'Hare. Always though that O'Hare's delivery was too one-dimensional. Pre Zha'adum (sp?) Boxlietner is much better than post Zha'adum Boxleitner though, IMHO. Boxleitner had some great moments... in particular "In the Shadow of Z'hadum" was a highlight for him... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jan 25 14:05:01 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:05:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > On 25 Jan 01, at 13:29, Michael S. Habiby wrote: > >> See Harrison Ford's The_Fugitive. Andreas plays the One Armed Man. He >> is a Shakespearean trained actor and Peter Jurasic once said that if >> you wanted an answer out of Andreas get him before he got into is >> makeup because from then on only G'Kar was there. Interesting, Yes? > > > He's got a pretty extensive resum? of character roles. Man, he's a > butt-ugly SOB, eh? > > theo > > Definitely prettier IN costume in B5 than out that is for sure. Just goes to show you don't have to be a pretty face....... Mike -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, there are only a few of us left who appreciate their efforts. --Nick From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jan 25 14:41:33 2001 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:41:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > :I also reckon Micael O'Hare made a much more commanding Captain than > :Bruce Boxleitner, but neither were ever as scary as Delenn in a bad > :mood. That moment during the first military faceoff with Earth was > :classic: "If you want to live. Be somewhere else." The better one was where she is defending B5 against the Earth force ships: 'Only one human captain has ever survived a battle with the Minbari. He is behind me, You are in front of me...........' or words to that effect. Cool............ Mark PS - I heard somewhere that Boxleitner went up to JMS and asked him where he got all those great ideas from. Apparently JMS handed him a copy of Lord of the Rings and walked off....................... From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Thu Jan 25 14:51:33 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:51:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <004201c08706$d3be6e00$5da8fea9@kelly3> Message-ID: Hi, >PS - I heard somewhere that Boxleitner went up to JMS and asked him where he >got all those great ideas from. Apparently JMS handed him a copy of Lord of >the Rings and walked off....................... I've heard that story, too. I've also read an interview with JMS (don't know in which mag it was) where he also stated that some of his ideas and inspirations come from the LotR. And I think there are really some aspects in B5 that are very reminiscent to JRRT's great work (the Rangers for example). (c)IAO D'only 11 months to go'+R np: Steve Hillage, "Fish Rising" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU Thu Jan 25 14:59:48 2001 From: Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:59:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: I'm curious as to where you heard them on the radio. I live in Buffalo, NY and have not heard any of these on the local US or Canadian stations. -----Original Message----- From: Nick English [mailto:nick at NETPHD.NET] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:41 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BOC: New Song and Album News > Yep, too true. If SYiB and HM can't get played, then nothing can. > Pearls before swine... > > theo Both those tracks, plus LIve for Me, got a little bit of play, but not nearly as much as they should have. It just goes to show you how much bullshit gets slung around in the radio industry. Trust me, I work in it. HF could have easily been one of the hottest hard rock albums of the year, if only it were promoted. There are so many great rock albums put out by "old" bands that are left to die on the vine only because the musicians are of a certain age. Still, kudos to BOC, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Yes (check out "The Ladder") and a host of other acts out there who still rock the way they oughta, rather than go pansy like Clapton and Sting. Unfortunately, there are only a few of us left who appreciate their efforts. --Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jan 25 15:20:13 2001 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (Mark Robertson) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:20:13 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Just saw this on the SFx site, Dr Who radio series dumped by the beeb! http://www.sfxnetwork.com/News/review.asp?id=1021 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > Hi, > > >PS - I heard somewhere that Boxleitner went up to JMS and asked him where he > >got all those great ideas from. Apparently JMS handed him a copy of Lord of > >the Rings and walked off....................... > > I've heard that story, too. I've also read an interview with JMS (don't > know in which mag it was) where he also stated that some of his ideas and > inspirations come from the LotR. And I think there are really some aspects > in B5 that are very reminiscent to JRRT's great work (the Rangers for example). > > (c)IAO > > D'only 11 months to go'+R > > np: Steve Hillage, "Fish Rising" > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Jan 25 15:35:28 2001 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:35:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: Not to mention it being the Third Age, an elder being named Lorien, Gandalf died at Khazad-dum and Sheridan died at Za'ha'dum (and they both got better!).........................lots of parallels. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > Hi, > > >PS - I heard somewhere that Boxleitner went up to JMS and asked him where he > >got all those great ideas from. Apparently JMS handed him a copy of Lord of > >the Rings and walked off....................... > > I've heard that story, too. I've also read an interview with JMS (don't > know in which mag it was) where he also stated that some of his ideas and > inspirations come from the LotR. And I think there are really some aspects > in B5 that are very reminiscent to JRRT's great work (the Rangers for example). > > (c)IAO > > D'only 11 months to go'+R > > np: Steve Hillage, "Fish Rising" > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 25 15:49:11 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:49:11 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: > > Yep, too true. If SYiB and HM can't get played, then > nothing can. > Both those tracks, plus LIve for Me, got a little bit > of play, but not nearly as much as they should have. > It just goes to show you how much bullshit gets slung > around in the radio industry. Trust me, I work in it. > > HF could have easily been one of the hottest hard rock > albums of the year, if only it were promoted. There > are so many great rock albums put out by "old" bands > that are left to die on the vine only because the > musicians are of a certain age. Promotion, I believe, is not the problem. The problem is that BOC, as other great rock artists, are seen as past their prime/past their time. Unless they happen to be doing some sort of "reunion" thing a la' KISS or The Who, or Black Sabbath (which may also make the assumption that the band was at one time HUGE - and I'm not sure BOC ever was in that category), then the prevailing logic is that bands that were once successful and go away for some period of time (in the sales sense - we all know that BOC as a band never really went away) have nothing left to offer - that is they went away because they were washed up. *Heaven Forbid* was a great example - here was the almighty BOC, putting out their first album of new material in a decade and nobody in the biz cared. The only people remotely interested were the "classic rock" stations, and they only wanted to play "Don't Fear the Reaper". CMC is a small outfit, even if it is owned by BMG, and none of their albums receive tremendous promotion - the fact that they released 3 singles from *Heaven Forbid* is a testament to CMC's committment to BOC, IMHO. John From CultJacket at AOL.COM Thu Jan 25 16:35:30 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:35:30 EST Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: In a message dated 01-01-25 08:47:27 EST, you write: << Hey post away - anything that comes up on online BOC forums is, IMHO fair game for posting on BOC-L. Of course, if the band is not the source, it shouldn't be cited as necessarily fact. On the other hand it is a fact that "Dance on Stilts" has been played live and you don't need the band to tell you that. : >> The track list came directly from Bucks mouth per convesation that I had with him in DE. I didnt list the names of the Eric Bloom tracks other than what has been played live.Not sure if EB would get bent. >See previous comment. Also, I hold absolutely ZERO hope that anything on the new album will receive anything more than scant radio airplay. *Heaven Forbid* made me a believer in that.< If I were betting money I'd side with you,but in the music business you never know. It was surprising in 1976 at the height of the Disco Era that Reaper was a hit. Marketing is the tool. The music industry always force feeds us what we are suppose to like,I dont follow suit but most people do. Here Comes That Feeling from the 6 songs i've heard is probably the 1 that should be marketed towards radio. But the name Blue Oyster Cult isn't a pop friendly name. So the BOC name alone puts a dent in the chances for Adult Cont Radio From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jan 25 15:45:53 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:45:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News In-Reply-To: <0B41ACBECF83734D98ABC83DD8E097E113D022@cipher.itec.suny.edu> Message-ID: Joe Lofft wrote: >I'm curious as to where you heard them on the radio. I live in Buffalo, NY >and have not heard any of these on the local US or Canadian stations. I heard Harvest Moon a few times on WCMF here in Rochester. The DJ even introduced it as a new BOC tune. They played it alone and occasionally mixed in with Reaper and Burnin' For You in BOC blocks. However, they're back to playing just the big 3 now. And now that I think of it, I haven't even heard Godzilla in a while.... Brian From CultJacket at AOL.COM Thu Jan 25 16:44:06 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:44:06 EST Subject: BOC: New Song and Album News Message-ID: In a message dated 01-01-25 15:01:44 EST, you write: << I'm curious as to where you heard them on the radio. I live in Buffalo, NY and have not heard any of these on the local US or Canadian stations. >> John had the list of stations at his web site of stations that played tunes off Heaven Forbid. Here in Pittsburgh it got no play but a station 100 miles North of here I heard Harvest Moon. Its a weak station in NW PA. Meadville PA I believe . BTW its a great station that always plays lots of different old BOC whenever i'm working in that area I love listening to that station. I do believe that a station in Richmond VA had SYIB as No 1 requested song for a period as well as a station in North or South Dakota that had HM as No 1 From CultJacket at AOL.COM Thu Jan 25 16:51:25 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:51:25 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: In a message dated 01-01-25 15:51:43 EST, you write: << - the fact that they released 3 singles from *Heaven Forbid* is a testament to CMC's committment to BOC, IMHO. >> Buck has told me that he was really happy with what CMC had tryed to do with HF. It was far much more of an effort that CBS Records did. CMC did send out over 250 copys of Heaven Forbid as well as the same amount of copys of SYIB,HM,LFM. Thats over 1000 copys. The promo man for them (CMC) Ray Koobs also did alot of phone calling to stations as well. The problem is narrow minded program directors. Thats why you see so many copys of SYIB,HM etc on E-Bay. I would believe lots of Radio PD didn't even listen to it. Styx is CMC's biggest account and they got bumped by most every radio station as well with their latest despite a successful 18 month tour with REO Speedwagon. Our music is a dying breed. But atleast we have good taste. From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Jan 25 17:03:54 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:03:54 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: I remember HF being played on KLOS-FM in Los Angeles. It was in heavy rotation; for about 3-4 days. Then, back to DFTR, BFY. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Martin [SMTP:CultJacket at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:51 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In a message dated 01-01-25 15:51:43 EST, you write: << - the fact that they released 3 singles from *Heaven Forbid* is a testament to CMC's committment to BOC, IMHO. >> Buck has told me that he was really happy with what CMC had tryed to do with HF. It was far much more of an effort that CBS Records did. CMC did send out over 250 copys of Heaven Forbid as well as the same amount of copys of SYIB,HM,LFM. Thats over 1000 copys. The promo man for them (CMC) Ray Koobs also did alot of phone calling to stations as well. The problem is narrow minded program directors. Thats why you see so many copys of SYIB,HM etc on E-Bay. I would believe lots of Radio PD didn't even listen to it. 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URL: From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 25 18:06:20 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:06:20 -0700 Subject: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No question about Dave's lead-ability. Just listen to 'Hearing Aid Test' from Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams, or 'Distant Horizons' (title track) or any live version of 'Snake Dance' for any proof needed..... KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jon Jarrett Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 7:52 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: _Spacebrock_ Dear All, a review I wrote which will be going up on that BBS I mentioned last time... Forgive the notes for those who don't know much about HW. Subject: Hawkwind - _Spacebrock_ ..... `Space Brock', a genuine authentic space-rock blanga piece! Riffs, swoosh, sparkly lead guitar (Dave can actually play if you leave him alone and don't expect him to do it in front of people), its very good! -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 25 20:05:19 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:05:19 +0000 Subject: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Kevin Sommers writes >No question about Dave's lead-ability. Just listen to 'Hearing Aid Test' >from Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams, or 'Distant Horizons' (title track) or >any live version of 'Snake Dance' for any proof needed..... Are you sure that's not Jerry on DH? Whatever, Dave has played some supremely evocative lead solos over the years. Check out the 'Palace Springs' versions of Golden Void and Damnation Alley, although my fave would have to be the '1999 Party' version of Paradox. Curiously, in the latest issue of aural-innovations there's an interview with Lemmy where he implies that Dave doesn't play any decent lead anymore. (He also says the Hawkestra was a disaster! Largely because of under- preparation it seems. I do find it strange that the participants (or Dave and Lemmy at least) should have been so disappointed with it, when most of us who were there thought it was such a great event. Yes it was messy at times, but just the sheer scale of the thing- and the chance to see so many legendary ex-Hawks- was the real point... was for me anyway.) -- Nick Medford From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 25 22:45:50 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:45:50 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: From: "Arin Komins > :Please say you are not referring to Blake 7! > > yup. Scarily enough, I'm quite a fan. > IMO Blake's 7 was the best SF series to ever hit the TV screens. Wouldn't mind a repeat....;-) Bill From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 26 01:18:28 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:48:28 +1030 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: uh - I don't know Mb ;>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Sommers To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 5:23 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > Hey now, I'm not THAT old, and I can concentrate on.............uh, what > were we at? > > KevinSommers > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Maxine Wesley > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:08 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for > Dr. Who > > > Date sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:17:41 +0000 > From: Layla Thompson > Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of > music for Dr. Who > > > Could someone help me out here, please?..... > > It happens from time to time around here. Small numbers of us > stray off topic - it's down to our age and concentrational ability... > > HTH > > M at xine > From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jan 26 01:18:32 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:18:32 -0700 Subject: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nope, not sure at all, but it just feels to me like a solo Dave effort. But if in fact it is Jerry, then it just reinforces the 'rightness' of Jerry in the band, in my mind... KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Nick Medford Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:05 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: _Spacebrock_ In message , Kevin Sommers writes >No question about Dave's lead-ability. Just listen to 'Hearing Aid Test' >from Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams, or 'Distant Horizons' (title track) or >any live version of 'Snake Dance' for any proof needed..... Are you sure that's not Jerry on DH? ..... -- Nick Medford From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 26 01:30:07 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:00:07 +1030 Subject: snow white and smegg Message-ID: hi giys yes watch out for any snow white emails delete etcetera oh this is not a virus ridden message if you are reading it hee hee maybe some have deleted it after seeing the title -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 26 03:43:58 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:43:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010125204623.02c6ca40@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: At 20.51 +0100 25.1.2001, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >I've heard that story, too. I've also read an interview with JMS (don't >know in which mag it was) where he also stated that some of his ideas and >inspirations come from the LotR. And I think there are really some aspects >in B5 that are very reminiscent to JRRT's great work (the Rangers >for example). He hardly needed to state it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com From cea at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 26 04:03:46 2001 From: cea at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:03:46 +0000 Subject: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01.05 +0000 26.1.2001, Nick Medford wrote: >(He also says the Hawkestra was a disaster! Largely because of under- >preparation it seems. I do find it strange that the participants (or Dave and >Lemmy at least) should have been so disappointed with it, when most of us >who were there thought it was such a great event. Yes it was messy at times, >but just the sheer scale of the thing- and the chance to see so many >legendary ex-Hawks- was the real point... was for me anyway.) Exactly. But for that reason I don't find it strange at all that the participants thought it was a disaster (especially Lemmy). I mean. you could pretty much predict what he would say about it! I'm not surprised Dave hasn't exactly gushed about it either. Musically and organizationally, it was a _stupendous_ disaster. That much was plainly visible on the night. But I didn't go there expecting a great musical experience, I went there expecting to see a bunch of Hawkalums. I went there to see Dave, Lemmy, and Nik on stage. (And I figured Bedouin would be cool ;) And I got what I expected, and so I was perfectly happy. It was cool :) Had I been going to see any regular band though, I would have written them off as completely unrehearsed! Which would have been fair. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea at carlaz.com http://www.carlaz.com From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 26 03:55:16 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:55:16 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <3A709119.9E10C877@mitre.org> Message-ID: At 15.49 -0500 25.1.2001, John A. Swartz wrote: >Promotion, I believe, is not the problem. The problem is that BOC, as >other great rock artists, are seen as past their prime/past their time. IMO, HF did not go very far towards disproving this viewpoint. It had some moments, but not enough. It sounded like bits and pieces from a band that was trying to find its feet in terms of recording new material. Which, I think, was in fact the case. >Unless they happen to be doing some sort of "reunion" thing a la' KISS >or The Who, or Black Sabbath (which may also make the assumption that >the band was at one time HUGE - and I'm not sure BOC ever was in that >category), then the prevailing logic is that bands that were once >successful and go away for some period of time (in the sales sense - we >all know that BOC as a band never really went away) have nothing left to >offer - that is they went away because they were washed up. My sense is that BOC were indeed pretty huge "back in the day", at least as huge as Sabbath were at the time, if not more so. I could be wrong -- I wasn't really there ;) But I think a big problem is that it became trendy to like Sabbath once more, and it has not become trendy to like BOC. So I doubt that many people would really be interested in an original line-up BOC tour the way they were in an original Sabbath line-up tour. You would need several yeras of buzz in the press, gushing over how cool BOC are and how underrated they are before any kind of financially remunerative big BOC tour/album push could even be contemplated. Don't get me wrong, I love BOC. But I'm not going to cut them any slack, or curve their exam results ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Fri Jan 26 03:57:35 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:57:35 +0000 Subject: _Spacebrock_ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16.06 -0700 25.1.2001, Kevin Sommers wrote: >No question about Dave's lead-ability. Absolutely not. IMO, Dave is the only guitar player Hawkwind ever has or will need. Some of the others have been OK, but virtually all my favorite Hawkwind music has been made with Dave and only Dave on guitar. Someone just needs to make sure he's loud enough :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 06:56:05 2001 From: lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK (Layla Thompson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:56:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: I don't have a problem with Dr Who, I was always a bit of a fan of that myself!! It's just that when I first signed on, I was sent a mail of the 'rules and regulations' and in it it said that if anyone started to talk about an unrelated subject, the message would just be deleted, and therefore not be sent to the people on the mailing list. So I got a tad confused...... >>> akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU 01/25/01 05:13pm >>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Layla Thompson wrote: :Hiya, I just joined the mailing list. And I don't know why everyone is suddenly talking about Dr Who?? : :I don't quite understand what bearing it has on our Hawklords?????? : :Could someone help me out here, please?..... : :Layla Layla, Sorry, that's 'cause a bunch of us are also sf fans ;-) Though, we tend to mark appropriately (OFF:), so if you just want to stick with the HW material, set the listserv to only give you HW material. to do so, just send a message to listserv at listserv.spc.edu with a message body of: SET BOC-L TOPICS: HW (accepted topics are BOC, NIK, OTHER, ALL, BRAIN, and HW) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 26 06:39:21 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:39:21 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Jan 01, at 8:55, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At 15.49 -0500 25.1.2001, John A. Swartz wrote: > >Promotion, I believe, is not the problem. The problem is that BOC, > >as other great rock artists, are seen as past their prime/past their > >time. > Yet other 'old' bands like the [ugh] Stones and ZZ Top continue to thrive. True the Stones are an institution, for want of a better term, and ZZ Top had the good sense to tap into MTV and exploit it for their benefit. I really think BOC's problem lies in its management [can I get an amen!] and the fact that they never escaped the doldrums they entered when Al left, taking a lot of fertile songwriting sense with him. The creative void that opened ca. Club Ninja has somehow paralyzed the group. Or maybe their audience just changed tastes and moved on to something else? > IMO, HF did not go very far towards disproving this viewpoint. It had > some moments, but not enough. It sounded like bits and pieces from a > band that was trying to find its feet in terms of recording new > material. Which, I think, was in fact the case. And, no doubt, the sort of budget the band is on for recording, probably doesn't allow for a full-fledged BOC record... > My sense is that BOC were indeed pretty huge "back in the day", at > least as huge as Sabbath were at the time, if not more so. I could be > wrong -- I wasn't really there ;) BOC was indeed huge, esp here in the northeast. I saw them headline at football stadiums, racetracks--giant festivals, and they truly ruled the world at that time, from, say, 1976 to oh, 1980 or so. It is truly surprising how fast they fell off the radar... But I think a big problem is that > it became trendy to like Sabbath once more, and it has not become > trendy to like BOC. YES!!! You've hit it on the head!! So I doubt that many people would really be > interested in an original line-up BOC tour the way they were in an > original Sabbath line-up tour. Sadly, it appears that this is also right on... > Don't get me wrong, I love BOC. But I'm not going to cut them any > slack, or curve their exam results ;) > As it should be. I thought HF was a good effort, and better than I expected. But compared to the first 3 albums, it pales by comparison. To reclaim their mantle, BOC have to really make a knockout record. Then, even if they don't get back their former status [which won't happen regardless] I'll still know in my heart that they still 'have it...' theo From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jan 26 08:13:43 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: News Update from Melne Message-ID: Two new shows added: May 4 Atlanta, GA - Midtown Music Festival June 22 Benton Harbor, MI ----- The new album is pretty much finished recording, so after the current west coast swing the band will be mixing and putting on the finishing touches. The band is really excited and pleased with the results. New BOC soon! ----- Tommy Zvoncheck will be doing an appearance on WRAT's "Electric Ballroom" Show Sunday (1/28/01) night at 11:00 PM EST. For those of you out of the WRAT listening area, you'll be able to catch it on internet radio via www.wrat.com or www.electricballroomradio.com . Zvoncheck will talk about his days with Dream Syndicate, Public Image Ltd., Clarence Clemmons and Blue Oyster Cult and his new "ZKG" CD. You'll hear a few cuts from the CD as well as some interesting history! For more info see: www.zkgmusic.com ----- Danny Miranda appears on a new release by guitarist Vick LeCar, called "Blue Moon". To learn more, visit LeCar's website at www.vicklecar.com ----- The BOC online store has moved to a slightly different URL: http://www.merchdirect.com/boc Check out some new internet-exclusive items there. -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jan 26 08:17:11 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:17:11 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > My sense is that BOC were indeed pretty huge "back in the day", at > least as huge as Sabbath were at the time, if not more so. I could be > wrong -- I wasn't really there ;) But I think a big problem is that > it became trendy to like Sabbath once more, and it has not become > trendy to like BOC. So I doubt that many people would really be > interested in an original line-up BOC tour the way they were in an > original Sabbath line-up tour. You would need several years of buzz > in the press, gushing over how cool BOC are and how underrated they > are before any kind of financially remunerative big BOC tour/album > push could even be contemplated. I was around back then. They were HUGE. Always though that things were being handled badly as well considering the previously mentioned big groups. Mike H. -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Jan 26 08:19:52 2001 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:19:52 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > Yet other 'old' bands like the [ugh] Stones and ZZ Top continue to > thrive. True the Stones are an institution, for want of a better term, > and ZZ Top had the good sense to tap into MTV and exploit it for their > benefit. I really think BOC's problem lies in its management [can I > get an amen!] and the fact that they never escaped the doldrums > they entered when Al left, taking a lot of fertile songwriting sense with > him. The creative void that opened ca. Club Ninja has somehow > paralyzed the group. Or maybe their audience just changed tastes > and moved on to something else? > To be blunt I think BOC's problem vis a vis the stones or zz top is that BOC really did crash and burn musically with the final few albums before Imaginos, which got zero airplay. This really affected their marketability. Club Ninja was a disaster. I think they LOST their audience personally. That and the band started breaking apart..... Mike H. -- "Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles." - Ancient Arab Proverb From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jan 26 09:59:43 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:59:43 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: > Club Ninja was a disaster. And shite. Don't forget shite. :-( Cheers, Rich. (Who's a big fan of 'Mirrors') _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Jan 26 11:06:57 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:06:57 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <04d801c087a8$9e844d20$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > Rich. (Who's a big fan of 'Mirrors') Gudbuy t'credibility, as Slade might have said ;)) -- Andy www.andygilham.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jan 26 09:43:28 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:43:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <200101261239.HAA02844@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: => > IMO, HF did not go very far towards disproving this viewpoint. It had => > some moments, but not enough. It sounded like bits and pieces from a => > band that was trying to find its feet in terms of recording new => > material. Which, I think, was in fact the case. => => And, no doubt, the sort of budget the band is on for recording, => probably doesn't allow for a full-fledged BOC record... I don't know if you need a big budget to make a good record. Nor do you need to be a huge name. I just looked on Amazon.com. The "sales rank" for _Heaven Forbid_ is 33,943, whilst that of the Bevis Frond's _Valedictory Songs_ (latest Bevis album, released Nov. 2000) is 8,445. The Bevis Frond can hardly be accused of selling out football stadiums, now or at any time. They do (Nick does) make mighty fine records, though, that apparently someone is buying. :-) => As it should be. I thought HF was a good effort, and better than I => expected. But compared to the first 3 albums, it pales by comparison. => To reclaim their mantle, BOC have to really make a knockout record. => Then, even if they don't get back their former status [which won't => happen regardless] I'll still know in my heart that they still 'have it...' You might have something with the "knockout record" theory. If you no longer have youth, looks, gimmicks, or fads on your side, all you have left to rely on is the strength of your music... Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, Kaue, Gelsenkirchen, Germany, 1999-4-13 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jan 26 11:12:12 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:12:12 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: > > Rich. (Who's a big fan of 'Mirrors') > > Gudbuy t'credibility, as Slade might have said ;)) > > -- Andy Someone knows me too well, eh Mr G? While you're here - a question... Who performs "The Arts Of Darkness" from the tape you sent me a couple of years back? Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Jan 26 11:18:12 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:18:12 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <058401c087b2$c0a10380$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > Someone knows me too well, eh Mr G? ;) > While you're here - a question... > > Who performs "The Arts Of Darkness" from the tape you sent me a couple of > years back? That's Mick Farren and the Deviants - the album's "Eating Jello With a Heated Fork." "And a soft snap and indrawn breath As deviant devices Completed their love connection..." http://hometown.aol.com/BYRON4D/index2.html -- Andy www.andygilham.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jan 26 11:25:54 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:25:54 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: That's the fella! Cheers! Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) > > Someone knows me too well, eh Mr G? > > ;) > > > > While you're here - a question... > > > > Who performs "The Arts Of Darkness" from the tape you sent me a couple of > > years back? > > That's Mick Farren and the Deviants - the album's "Eating Jello With a > Heated Fork." > > "And a soft snap and indrawn breath > As deviant devices > Completed their love connection..." > > http://hometown.aol.com/BYRON4D/index2.html > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 11:30:21 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:30:21 GMT Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: Could we please subscribe: ejobson at thrupoint.ne This is a guy I met at the Astoria gig and is a keen Hawkwind fan. Ta. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 26 11:31:29 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:31:29 GMT Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. Message-ID: I don't have satellite. Is someone with a PAL system recording this? How do I get it on thye web and what's the timing? Ta. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 26 10:43:07 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:43:07 EDT Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: <04d801c087a8$9e844d20$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 01, at 14:59, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > Club Ninja was a disaster. > > And shite. Don't forget shite. > > :-( Nope, can't forget! I still remember what a shock that record was to me when it came out. Does anyone know the lowdown on song selection, writers chosen etc? For example, did Columbia or the producers push them into using the Rob Halligan tunes? I mean we all know that Wings of Mercury was available, and so were a couple tunes that are going to be on the next disc. Surely they are better than Beat 'em Up or Make Rock...God, typing those titles makes my blood run cold! Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? Did the band think their fortunes lay in the high-school jock crowd? Never the BOC province. Or, given the absence of Albert's songwriting, were they simply desperate, and latched onto the first thing coming across the desk? I find it interesting that, at about the same time, Halligan was also supplying songs for Judas Priest, another Columbia act, albeit with different results for JP. Maybe someone at the label was applying heat to use Halligan? I suppose it's in the FAQ! theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Jan 26 12:18:21 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:18:21 -0500 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... Message-ID: I would be nice if they would put Wings of Mercury on the new album. After all, Now is the Time for the Old Gods Return would be a perfect seguay (sp?). No? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:43 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... > > On 26 Jan 01, at 14:59, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > Club Ninja was a disaster. > > > > And shite. Don't forget shite. > > > > :-( > > Nope, can't forget! I still remember what a shock that record was to > me when it came out. Does anyone know the lowdown on song > selection, writers chosen etc? For example, did Columbia or the > producers push them into using the Rob Halligan tunes? I mean we > all know that Wings of Mercury was available, and so were a couple > tunes that are going to be on the next disc. Surely they are better > than Beat 'em Up or Make Rock...God, typing those titles makes my > blood run cold! > > Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? Did the > band think their fortunes lay in the high-school jock crowd? Never > the BOC province. Or, given the absence of Albert's songwriting, > were they simply desperate, and latched onto the first thing coming > across the desk? I find it interesting that, at about the same time, > Halligan was also supplying songs for Judas Priest, another > Columbia act, albeit with different results for JP. Maybe someone at > the label was applying heat to use Halligan? > > I suppose it's in the FAQ! > > theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Jan 26 12:19:54 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:19:54 -0500 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... Message-ID: Yes, Beat'em Up is a cheezy number but it would be a great fight song during a NY Rangers or Islanders hockey game. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:43 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... > > On 26 Jan 01, at 14:59, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > > Club Ninja was a disaster. > > > > And shite. Don't forget shite. > > > > :-( > > Nope, can't forget! I still remember what a shock that record was to > me when it came out. Does anyone know the lowdown on song > selection, writers chosen etc? For example, did Columbia or the > producers push them into using the Rob Halligan tunes? I mean we > all know that Wings of Mercury was available, and so were a couple > tunes that are going to be on the next disc. Surely they are better > than Beat 'em Up or Make Rock...God, typing those titles makes my > blood run cold! > > Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? Did the > band think their fortunes lay in the high-school jock crowd? Never > the BOC province. Or, given the absence of Albert's songwriting, > were they simply desperate, and latched onto the first thing coming > across the desk? I find it interesting that, at about the same time, > Halligan was also supplying songs for Judas Priest, another > Columbia act, albeit with different results for JP. Maybe someone at > the label was applying heat to use Halligan? > > I suppose it's in the FAQ! > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 26 11:36:48 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:36:48 EDT Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Jan 01, at 12:18, Hall, Russell J wrote: > I would be nice if they would put Wings of Mercury on the new album. > > After all, Now is the Time for the Old Gods Return would be a perfect > seguay (sp?). No? > It would work for me! theo From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Jan 26 12:54:46 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:54:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What broke up the continuity of Heaven forbid to my ears was that some of the tracks (Harvest, Still Burnin) weren't produced in the same way as See You in Black or Damaged (for example). Harvest moon suffered as a result of that -- after all they had been kicking the song at least c. 93 with a handful of others. BUt still burning had Jon Rogers on bass for goodness sakes! If they were gonna do a new album fully and right, they should have done the material (old or not) with Danny M.( i buried my copy of HF under a pile of CDs i enjoy listening to at the moment, so i cant check.) INteresting pairing: the Jam on tour with BOC in 77/78. DO you think management ever reallllly knew who BOC could tour alongside? and why was BOC ever happy with Steve Schenck? supergroovalisticprosifunckstication, Jason NP: Einsturzende neubaten - Ende Neu From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Jan 26 12:42:52 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:42:52 EST Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: uh, this message is unrelated... bob In a message dated 1/26/01 6:58:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, lthompson3 at UCLAN.AC.UK writes: > I don't have a problem with Dr Who, I was always a bit of a fan of that > myself!! It's just that when I first signed on, I was sent a mail of the ' > rules and regulations' and in it it said that if anyone started to talk about > an unrelated subject, the message would just be deleted, and therefore not be > sent to the people on the mailing list. So I got a tad confused...... From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 26 10:06:34 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:06:34 +0200 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years Message-ID: Hi! >>Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords >>with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention >>"HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? > >Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >I think the "25 Years On" version is the original one. Yeah, but both are same catalog number (cds4014)? There must be two pressings, but which one is really first one? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Fri Jan 26 13:35:30 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:35:30 -0000 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years In-Reply-To: <200101261506.f0QF6Y826820@vasta.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: Well, the one I got the day it came out is 25 YEARS ON ;) -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Miikka Wagner > Sent: 26 January 2001 15:07 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW:Hawklords- 25 years > > > Hi! > > >>Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords > >>with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention > >>"HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? > > > >Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > >I think the "25 Years On" version is the original one. > > Yeah, but both are same catalog number (cds4014)? > There must be two pressings, but which one is really first one? > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > > From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 26 15:26:46 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:26:46 -0000 Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years Message-ID: 25 Years On is definitely the original. I remember reading at the time in Sounds or NME that the first 25,000 had the title, while the rest would simply be called 'Hawklords'. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: HW:Hawklords- 25 years > Well, the one I got the day it came out is 25 YEARS ON ;) > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Miikka Wagner > > Sent: 26 January 2001 15:07 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW:Hawklords- 25 years > > > > > > Hi! > > > > >>Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords > > >>with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention > > >>"HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? > > > > > >Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > >I think the "25 Years On" version is the original one. > > > > Yeah, but both are same catalog number (cds4014)? > > There must be two pressings, but which one is really first one? > > > > Miikka Wagner > > email: micci at sci.fi > > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > > > > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jan 26 15:31:34 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:31:34 -0600 Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. In-Reply-To: <200101261631.QAA24934@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. : :I don't have satellite. Is someone with a PAL system recording this? : :How do I get it on thye web and what's the timing? : :Ta. Mike, >From the totalrock site: TOTALROCK LIVE HAWKWIND EXCLUSIVE!! Malcolm Dome will be hosting an evening of gloriously indulgent space rock when you can hear the live recording of Hawkwind's gig performed at the London Astoria on 29th December. To get spaced out in your own front room tune in on Saturday 27th January from 6pm. (and no we ain't providing the chemicals!) ...but this is audio only, isn't it? I'm assuming this is London time, although I couldn't find out for sure on their site. You can listen in with a windows media player. Of course, I run on a mac or on unix, so the windows media format isn't terribly wonderful for me. Just open www.totalrock.com and click the Listen button. I got a beta version of a microsoft windows media player for the mac, and was able to (mostly) successfully listen in, but not save. anyone happen to know of a good free/shareware util for the mac (or for unix) that can save streamed wma files? (I'm looking into streamripper, but I think it's only for shout/icecast.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jan 26 16:01:06 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:01:06 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-lists 1/13 and 1/20 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 1/13/01 1. F/i--"Threshold" (Blue Star) 2. Zappa/Mothers--"Plastic People" (Absolutely Free) 3. Rugburns-- "Gold's Gym Guy" (Morning Wood) 4. Blue Oyster Cult-- "Dominance and Submission" (Secret Treaties) 5. Windy & Carl-- "Travelling" (Antarctica) 6. Escapade-- "Understanding All or Some" (Citrus Cloud Cover) 7. Robert Calvert-- "Lord of the Hornets" (Freq CD; Best of Hawkwind Frnds/Relatns) 8. Gong-- "Sold to the Highest Buddha/Castle in the Clouds" (Angels Egg) 9. Zappa-- "Transylvania Boogie" (Chunga's Revenge) 10. Thirteenth Floor Elevators-- "Livin' On" (Bull of the Woods) 11. ST 37-- "Discorporate" (I Love to Talk...) 12. Neu!-- "After Eight" (Neu! '75) 13. Coroner-- "Suicide Command" (R.I.P.) 14. Hawkwind--"Robot" (Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations) 15.Anubian Lights-- "The Ba and the Ka" (Jackal & Nine EP) 16.Nik Turner-- "Chances Lost" (Prophets of Time) 17.Melting Euphoria-- "Dreaming Waves Engulf My..." 1/20/01 1.Escapade-- "When Whenever Comes" (Remembrance of Things Past) 2.Sonic Assassins : "Magnu/Angels of Life" (Weird Tapes Vol. 1) 3.Quarkspace-- "No. 5" (Hidden Moon) 4.SubArachnoid Space-- "Square Wheels" (Endless Renovation) 5.Red Temple Spirits-- "Liquid Temple" (Dancing to Restore an Eclipsed Moon) 6.Moondance Expiriment-- "Feel It" (Your Movements) 7.Zappa/Mothers-- "Big Leg Emma" (Absolutely Free) 8.Dreampipe-- "East of Pizza" (Nursery Fruit History) 9. Circle-- "Karhun Kansaa" (Pori) 10.Census of Hallucinations-- "Have Him Stripped and Washed and Sent to My Tent" (The Third Eye) <_not_ a dedication> 11.Nik Turner-- "Walking in the Sky" (Prophets of Time) 12.Anubian Lights-- "Soul Herder" (Jackal & Nine EP) 13.Amon Duul II-- "Impovisations" (Live in London; Best of UA Years) 14.Alien Planetscapes-- "International Sponge" (Space Box comp) 15.Dave Brock (Hawkwind)-- "Nuclear Toy" (Weird Tapes Vol. I) 16.Species Being-- "Track #5" (Orgone Therapy) thanks, Chuck From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Fri Jan 26 16:12:24 2001 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:12:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010126125446.006af888@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >INteresting pairing: the Jam on tour with BOC in 77/78. >DO you think management ever reallllly knew who BOC could tour alongside? Can't have been worse that Miss Daisy in 1989. I have never seen a greater stampede for the bar at any Hammersmith Odeon gig that the time they were playing. -- Tim Hall, http://www.kalyr.com "It's a fine line between stupid and clever" - Spinal Tap From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Fri Jan 26 15:57:07 2001 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:57:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks. Message-ID: Hi there! Just a short note from a newsletter I received today. HAWKWIND LIVE ON TOTALROCK Hawkwind fans should tune into Doom & Co. tomorrow night, when an exclusive recording of the band at the Astoria in London a few weeks ago will be aired. So listen to Doom & Co. from 6pm to midnight on Saturday, January 27. Oh, and the show will be co-presented by Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree. All the best from Sweden Henrik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Jan 26 16:21:06 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:21:06 GMT Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new number during the evening session but I don't Know what it was called. It started with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then sort of built up into a powerful song with a superb, even classic Brock riff in the middle. The only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' but I might be wrong. Anyone know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping it would appear on SpaceBrock but its not on it . Cheers Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jan 26 16:39:23 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:39:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Night of the Hawks. In-Reply-To: <007801c087dd$67a0fda0$0200a8c0@hawkswede> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Hawkswede wrote: => HAWKWIND LIVE ON TOTALROCK => Hawkwind fans should tune into Doom & Co. tomorrow night, when an exclusive => recording of the band at the Astoria in London a few weeks ago will be => aired. So listen to Doom & Co. from 6pm to midnight on Saturday, January 27. => Oh, and the show will be co-presented by Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree. Someone puleeze grab a high quality recording of this broadcast! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Jan 26 16:39:17 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:39:17 +0100 Subject: HW: New(ish) song In-Reply-To: <20010126212225.FYFV20154.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi Mick At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . This song is called ANNA SEED Here is the complete track listing: 11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin cheers Bernhard From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Jan 26 16:37:56 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:37:56 EST Subject: HW:Hawklords- 25 years Message-ID: >From what I know of these, The UK release has the "HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" on the spine the U.S. release is just "HAWKLORDS" am I wrong? Bob In a message dated 1/26/01 1:30:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, micci at SCI.FI writes: > Hi! > > >>Which one of The Hawklords albums is the very original indeed: Hawklords > >>with the mention "HAWKLORDS" on the spine or an album with the mention > >>"HAWKLORDS 25 YEARS ON" ? > > > >Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > >I think the "25 Years On" version is the original one. > > Yeah, but both are same catalog number (cds4014)? > There must be two pressings, but which one is really first one? > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Fri Jan 26 17:56:45 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:56:45 GMT Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Cheers Bernhard, Extremely helpful as always. I'd love to know who wrote it. I really hope this gets released some day, the afternoon session was unbelievable with lots of improvisation. I even thought I heard 'The White Zone ' at one point. A double CD for Passport Holders would be perfect. Mick > Hi Mick > >At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number >during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started >with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a >powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The >only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' >but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping >it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > >This song is called ANNA SEED > >Here is the complete track listing: > >11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) >earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & >battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / >hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / >brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > >cheers >Bernhard May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Fri Jan 26 18:13:04 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:13:04 -0600 Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alasdair Macdonald" To: "Arin Komins" ; "BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List" Cc: "Dan Witt" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: satellite/webcast thingy. > It's on Sky digital channel 950 - audio only. Don't know if you need > anything above basic subscription to access this channel - it's > available on my system anyway :-) This will be easy to capture in > pristine quality. Great, lets tree it. From starfield at SUPANET.COM Fri Jan 26 18:21:30 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:21:30 -0000 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Its a Ron Tree number. 'Scary Trees' is another good one from the same writer. Captain Bl at ck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: New(ish) song > Cheers Bernhard, > Extremely helpful as always. I'd love to know who wrote it. > I really hope this gets released some day, the afternoon session was unbelievable with lots of improvisation. I even thought I heard 'The White Zone ' at one point. A double CD for Passport Holders would be perfect. > > Mick > > > > Hi Mick > > > >At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number > >during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started > >with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a > >powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The > >only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' > >but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping > >it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > > > >This song is called ANNA SEED > > > >Here is the complete track listing: > > > >11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) > >earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & > >battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / > >hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / > >brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > > > > >cheers > >Bernhard > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jan 26 09:42:41 2001 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:42:41 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <3A717978.8090705@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: At 08:19 AM 1/26/01 -0500, Michael S. Habiby wrote: >Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > >> Yet other 'old' bands like the [ugh] Stones and ZZ Top continue to >> thrive. True the Stones are an institution, for want of a better term, >> and ZZ Top had the good sense to tap into MTV and exploit it for their >> benefit. I really think BOC's problem lies in its management [can I >> get an amen!] and the fact that they never escaped the doldrums >> they entered when Al left, taking a lot of fertile songwriting sense with >> him. The creative void that opened ca. Club Ninja has somehow >> paralyzed the group. Or maybe their audience just changed tastes >> and moved on to something else? >> >To be blunt I think BOC's problem vis a vis the stones or zz top is that >BOC really did crash and burn musically with the final few albums before >Imaginos, which got zero airplay. This really affected their >marketability. Club Ninja was a disaster. I think they LOST their >audience personally. That and the band started breaking apart..... I was in junior high school when FUOU came out, remember thinking how cool it was. I didn't have it but several of my friends did, in particular we'd listen to Veteran over and over... I don't remember ever seeing Revolution by Night. I distinctly remember seeing Club Ninja, thinking, "Gee, what a stupid album name" and "stupid cover" and not even looking at the back of it. I wasn't really into BOC yet at that point, obviously. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 26 18:56:48 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:56:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: semi Hawkwind cover In-Reply-To: <200012111150.GAA03619@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote: > Re. Supergrass: funnily enough I saw some video footage of them live at > Glastonbury the other night (a mate of mine likes them) and I have to say > they do have a pretty powerful live sound. But I found that big hit of > theirs ("we are young, we are free..") so irritating that I still find it > hard to give 'em the benefit of the doubt. I really loathed that song with a passion when it was all over the radio. My borther had to really try to get me to even listen to the following album but there is actually some dedent stuff on there as far as guitar pop goes. `Richard III' particularly. Still not going to buy anything of theirs though. Yours, Jon ObTapeofLP: ST37 - _Glare_ -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 26 19:38:03 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:38:03 +0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <001701c06395$6fe48ca0$e8ddbbd4@stuarthamilton> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Zeitgeist wrote: > Check out this lineup for the Rock Stock Festival, August 23-26 at Wendover > Airport in Utah: Bad Company, Joan Baez, Pat Benatar, Elvin Bishop, > Ambrosia, Edgar Winter, Little River Band, The Animals, 38 Special, Cheap > Trick, Doobie Brothers, Todd Rundgren, Mitch Ryder, Styx, Jetro Tull, Three > Dog Night, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Gary U.S. Bonds, Canned Heat, Chicago, Joe > Cocker, Creedence Clearwater, The Guess Who, Peter Frampton, Bruce Hornsby, > Grand Funk Railroad, Kansas, Air Supply, Fleetwood Mac, Leon Russell, > Santana, Iron Butterfly, Queen, Reo Speedwagon, Carole King, Rick > Springfield, Stephen Stills, Jimmy Messina, Steve Miller Band, The Moody > Blues, Steppenwolf, Spencer Davis Group, Firefall, Poco, Boston, Pure > Prairie League And Randy Meisner. Tickets for the festival, produced by > Alexas USA, go on sale February 1st, 2001. For more info contact Kelly > Hammett of Rock Solid Entertainment Inc. at (818) 788-7197 or by e-mail at > kelly at rocksolident.com . I realise it's taken me a long time to get to some of these mails, but I'm still, even after this delay, incredulous to the point of scepticism about this. I don't believe the Animals have reformed, nor Grand Funk nor Iron Butterfly (especially given that one of their members is dead and two of the others are in the actually reformed Captain Beyond). Though I could be wrong. I didn't believe Edgar Winter was still in the business either, and I didn't know the Moody Blues were still functional and I thought Fleetwood Mac had finally finally quit too. And I thought that Carole King was dead but I can't find anything that says so where I'd expect it so perhaps I'm wrong. Nonetheless, I find the combination difficult to believe. Am I too sceptical and it really is that amazing? Or is someone making things up? Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 26 19:55:37 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:55:37 +0000 Subject: HW:---More Blah Blah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mike Coleman helpfully provided me with lots of info among which was the following: > > 4) on a comp. called, I think, _The Best of Lemmy_, there are two > > tracks by Lemmy and the Upsetters. One of them is a marvellous `Blue > > Suede Shoes', but I can't remember what the other is. Does anyone > > know, and can they tell me when these were recorded and whether they > > were issued elsewhere before that comp. > > The other track is "Paradise"....which, opinion on table, if anything IAN > could > smell of fish....this could....need strong brew and loudspeakers to > compensate......"Blue Suede Ufoshoes" is a smoker, and sure inspires me to > get some blinking footgear..........the tracks (I THINK) are both on a CD > called the "Last Temptation Of Elvis" by Mick Green and the PIRATES....if > anyone cares to blast me for improper info...do so....but sell me your > copy....PLEASE!!!!??? I can't find any trace of this album but that could just be Allmusic being lousy. Can anyone confirm this title and if they camn can they also provide a release date? Thanks a lot for the help; next batch of questions should be the last for this update, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Fri Jan 26 20:07:25 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:07:25 -0500 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Yikes! I have that Anna Seed song on a bootleg and I'd have to say that it has some of the weakest and most generic Hawkwind lyrics I've heard in a long long time... very trite. John Majka > At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number > during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started > with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a > powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The > only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' > but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping > it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > > This song is called ANNA SEED > > Here is the complete track listing: > > 11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) > earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & > battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / > hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / > brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > > cheers > Bernhard From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jan 26 20:09:13 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:09:13 +0000 Subject: HW:Completists In-Reply-To: <00a001c0649f$26afb180$c39cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > 6)Yes there's only one 'Out Of The Blues' album and it is by Twink and Mouse > but we inadvertently referred to it as a Fairies album at some point along > the way, too. I had a review of it but can't just locate it right now - if I > find it I'll post it here, OK. > > > 6) The _Great Rock Discography_ has a full track-list and personnel for > > Pink Fairies _Out of the Blue and Into the Pink_ from 1995, but I can't > > find a trace of it elsewhere. On the other hand I have found a Twink > > Records comp of random 1974 - 1976 blues recordings by him and Mouse from > > Magic Muscle (?) called _Out of the Pink and into the Blues_, which seems > > to reference it. Or are they the same record? Has anyone seen the first > > one? You've probably understood me perfectly well here but I can't quite be sure from your reply, so I'll expand (as it were). The book I mention lists an album called _Out of the Blue and Into the Pink_ which is supposed to be Rudolph and Twink with one Matthew Bailey on bass and Chris Pinkerton on drums, this being from 1996 on HTD (HTDCD46). Gema Records are stocking this but their descriptions are not always perfect and they may only have put it under Pink Fairies to flog it. Now, I've actually seen something called _Out of the Pink and Into the Blues_ (note the difference of the title and how the first one is a plausible title for an unexpeted reunion album and the second makes sense in the context of there being a first one) which is billed as being by "Mouse & Twink: Fairies" and is a load of blues covers from '74-'76. This one was on Twink Records, not HTD. The tracklist the book gives however appears to be from _this_ CD, not the one it's cataloguing. Not that, given the book in question, that means very much as he could be just as confused as I am. So, can anyone tell me if the *first* one actually exists? I know the second one does because I've held it in my hands (and gone, "Hmph, more Twink rip-off stuff" and put it back) but then what are Gema selling? Is it so easy to get the name wrong? Does anyone have the sort of catalogue they can check this number in? Thanks for any help, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 26 21:30:09 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:00:09 +1030 Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. Message-ID: far out its the 27th allready - if any one does record that broadcast I would like to commence a haggling session pleeeeease The sorry sod that didn't get to Astoria.... Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 3:01 AM Subject: satellite/webcast thingy. > I don't have satellite. Is someone with a PAL system recording this? > > How do I get it on thye web and what's the timing? > > Ta. > > FoFP > From js3619 at ACMENET.NET Fri Jan 26 23:50:53 2001 From: js3619 at ACMENET.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:50:53 -0500 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00:38 1.27.01 +0000, you wrote: >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Zeitgeist wrote: > >> Check out this lineup for the Rock Stock Festival, August 23-26 at Wendover >> Airport in Utah: Bad Company, Joan Baez, Pat Benatar, Elvin Bishop, > I realise it's taken me a long time to get to some of these mails, >but I'm still, even after this delay, incredulous to the point of >scepticism about this. I don't believe the Animals have reformed, nor A few summers ago there was an Animals group of sorts, with the original drummer and the guitarist from the group under the monkier the Animals II. A good show, mainly because they were paired with the Yardbirds (feat. Jim McCarty durms and Chris Dreja) and theire rendition of Dazed and Confused KICKED *SS. Page and co. just werent as tight. I think Eric Burdon is still kickin' round touring too. >Grand Funk nor Iron Butterfly (especially given that one of their members >is dead and two of the others are in the actually reformed Captain >Beyond). Though I could be wrong. Iron butterfly were on tour recently too... wwww.ironbutterfly.com i think is their web page. I didn't believe Edgar Winter was still >in the business either, and I didn't know the Moody Blues were still >functional and I thought Fleetwood Mac had finally finally quit too. Moodies recently did a another PBS special, live from Royal Albert Hall this time. it was throughly uninspiring to view and listen to. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 26 23:45:06 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:15:06 +1030 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, Tell me, when are YOU going to release a book about Hawkwind?? You must be the most knowledgable Hawk fan I have known!!! I'll buy one for sure :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Re: HW: New(ish) song > Hi Mick > > At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number > during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started > with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a > powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The > only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' > but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping > it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > > This song is called ANNA SEED > > Here is the complete track listing: > > 11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) > earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & > battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / > hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / > brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > > cheers > Bernhard > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jan 26 23:47:36 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:17:36 +1030 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: > Yikes! I have that Anna Seed song on a bootleg and I'd have to say that it > has some of the weakest and most generic Hawkwind lyrics I've heard in a > long long time... very trite Now I wanna hear it Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: John Majka To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: New(ish) song > Yikes! I have that Anna Seed song on a bootleg and I'd have to say that it > has some of the weakest and most generic Hawkwind lyrics I've heard in a > long long time... very trite. > John Majka > > > At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > > >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number > > during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It > started > > with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a > > powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The > > only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed > flavour' > > but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was > hoping > > it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > > > > This song is called ANNA SEED > > > > Here is the complete track listing: > > > > 11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) > > earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault > & > > battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / > > hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / > > brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 27 00:01:39 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:31:39 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Message-ID: Hi there This, rather late, response is in regards to the query about cheap cd's I get mine for $1.65each with totally clear case in batches of 50 or more They are studio quality BASF with plain printable surface - no cruddy logos etc Hope the festival work out in the summer - I wanna go!! Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yours, Jon >> ====== nah, she's not dead; i suppose you could be confusing her w/laura nyro? as for the festival...or else, someone finally ate the brown acid ulp "<>" From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 27 04:27:59 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:27:59 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Message-ID: Tempo do 50 700mb memerox cd-r's in a spindle for around 20 pounds. colm ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` NP: ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` -----Original Message----- From: Michael W Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 January 2001 05:07 Subject: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Hi there This, rather late, response is in regards to the query about cheap cd's I get mine for $1.65each with totally clear case in batches of 50 or more They are studio quality BASF with plain printable surface - no cruddy logos etc Hope the festival work out in the summer - I wanna go!! 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"Caught by the Fuzz" is pretty good as far as chart music goes too! -- Jon From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Sat Jan 27 05:08:57 2001 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:08:57 -0500 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah Message-ID: Well I'm as sceptical as the next man but specifically; The current touring version of the Animals has MEssrs Valentine & Steel plus the bloke who replaced Lee Brilleaux in Dr Feelgood on vox Grand Funk are touring with everyone bar Mark Farner who has been replaced by ex Kiss man Bruce Kulick A version of Iron Butterfly clocked up over 200 shows last year in the US The Moody Blues do about 25 - 30 'select' shows a year altough I think only Lodge and Hayward are originals Carole KIng isn't dead, and according to http://edgar.thevine.net Edgar has got 2 new Cds on the go and has started firming up his 2001 dates. So, although I still think the press release had some wishful thinking going on, most are possibilities. Stuart The Hawkwind Shop http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:38:03 +0000 From: Jon Jarrett Subject: Re: OFF; Time to Move to Utah I realise it's taken me a long time to get to some of these mails, but I'm still, even after this delay, incredulous to the point of scepticism about this. I don't believe the Animals have reformed, nor Grand Funk nor Iron Butterfly (especially given that one of their members is dead and two of the others are in the actually reformed Captain Beyond). Though I could be wrong. I didn't believe Edgar Winter was still in the business either, and I didn't know the Moody Blues were still functional and I thought Fleetwood Mac had finally finally quit too. And I thought that Carole King was dead but I can't find anything that says so where I'd expect it so perhaps I'm wrong. Nonetheless, I find the combination difficult to believe. Am I too sceptical and it really is that amazing? Or is someone making things up? Yours, Jon From roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 05:36:58 2001 From: roger at RELMER.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Roger Elmer) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:36:58 -0000 Subject: HW:Hawklords - 25 Years On Message-ID: Digging into "Born To Go" (David Watson) discovered that: "only the initial pressing of 25000 copies bore this original title:thereafter Charisma dropped it in favour of an eponymous title to promote in full the new name/group - a move which displeased both Dave and Bob". R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 27 07:27:03 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:27:03 +0100 Subject: HW: New(ish) song In-Reply-To: <009001c0881b$ef82dfc0$f7cb223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: Hi Michael! At 15:15 27.01.2001 +1030, you wrote: >Tell me, when are YOU going to release a book about Hawkwind?? :-)) Adrian Parr did this job. His phantastic book will be released very soon >You must be the most knowledgable Hawk fan I have known!!! Thanks Michael. But I know that there are a couple fans out there with the same knowledge! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 27 07:23:05 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:23:05 +0100 Subject: HW: New(ish) song In-Reply-To: <20010126225535.GNRP19514.t21mta02-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi Mick At 22:56 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >the afternoon session was unbelievable with lots of >improvisation. I even thought I heard 'The White Zone ' at one >point. A double CD for Passport Holders would be perfect. As far as I know they played 3 times: The 1st gig was around midday The 2nd one in the evening (I've got a tape and video from that one) The 3rd one very very late in the evening I am still looking for a tape from the midday gig (1st gig)! I'd give my right arm for that one!!!! Bernhard From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jan 27 07:44:35 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:44:35 +0000 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: <200101261643.LAA25429@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 11.43 -0400 26.1.2001, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? Well, I've assumed that they thought they would do well by becoming a guitar-pop band. I mean, it was the early 80s -- a time when a lot of people were deluded in terms of musical taste :) -- and Buck was always kinda of a pop-song person trapped in the body of a screaming rock guitarist. And, let's face it, pop success will make you a _lot_ of money. On the other hand, it rarely brings you staying power. Bands that were less popular 30 years ago but hung on to a solid fan base and retained some critical acclaim must surely sell more records now than those who topped the charts for a few months and then sank without trace. My theory is that BOC wanted to expand their audience by going pop, but instead failed to get a new audience and destroyed the old one with some fairly poor records. IMO, they're still sufficiently well-respected that some solid recordings could regain them a measure of respect as elder statesmen of heavy rock who are actually still going strong. There are plenty of other people in that category who don't top the charts, but who fill sizeable concert halls, who sell quite good albums to a respectably sized and dedicated fan base, and can even get rock-fan kids to say "Hey, this is a pretty cool album" not that infrequently. Motorhead, obviously, come to mind ... Alice Cooper, probably, and, well, a whole bunch of others. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jan 27 07:54:01 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:54:01 +0000 Subject: HW:---More Blah Blah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00.55 +0000 27.1.2001, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mike Coleman helpfully provided me with lots of >info among which was the following: >> > 4) on a comp. called, I think, _The Best of Lemmy_, there are two >> > tracks by Lemmy and the Upsetters. One of them is a marvellous `Blue >> > Suede Shoes', but I can't remember what the other is. Does anyone >> > know, and can they tell me when these were recorded and whether they >> > were issued elsewhere before that comp. >> >> The other track is "Paradise"....which, opinion on table, if anything IAN >> could >> smell of fish....this could....need strong brew and loudspeakers to >> compensate......"Blue Suede Ufoshoes" is a smoker, and sure inspires me to >> get some blinking footgear..........the tracks (I THINK) are both on a CD >> called the "Last Temptation Of Elvis" by Mick Green and the PIRATES....if >> anyone cares to blast me for improper info...do so....but sell me your >> copy....PLEASE!!!!??? > > I can't find any trace of this album but that could just be >Allmusic being lousy. Can anyone confirm this title and if they camn can >they also provide a release date? It was certainly released as a double album of Elvis covers around about 1990, I think, and was an NME project, so it might not have been released outside of Britain. The Lemmy tracks were officially credited to "Lemmy & the Upsetters with Mick Green". I'd be highly surprised if the album is still in print, though copies of _The Best of Lemmy_ are probably still floating around. I think besides the Upsetters tracks and the one Jarvinen Band track, there's not much on that that isn't available elsewhere. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Sat Jan 27 07:55:53 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:55:53 +0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010126235053.0068e174@acmenet.net> Message-ID: Moodies are definitely functional, having toured through MA last autumn. The current "CCR" incarnation is, of course, sans John Fogarty ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 08:34:23 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:34:23 +0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <200101271008.FAA04760@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > And I thought that Carole King was dead Apparently not, but Freddie Mercury is. However I assume everyone knows that, and no-one's mentioned it, so I am forced to conclude that Queen still tour without him, and that everyone knew that except me. I do recall them playing a charity bash with the squawky bloke from Guns 'n' Roses taking his place, but thought that was a one-off. Had no idea they were still functional otherwise. Not by the longest stretch of the most fertile imagination was I ever a Queen fan, but even so Queen without Freddie seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Are they really still treading the boards? And if so why? It can hardly be because they need the money. -- Nick Medford From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sat Jan 27 08:48:12 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:48:12 -0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The remaining members of Queen do play occasionally, for fun rather than for money, I guess. They were sampled on a version of "We Will Rock You" by boy band Five, and made at least one live appearance with them, for instance. But unless they slipped under my radar somehow, they're not going out touring like "Lynyrd Skynyrd." At the Freddie benefit gig, though, I did get the impression that several of the guest singers thought they were audtioning as his replacement (esp. Nuno Bettancourt [sp?] from Extreme). -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: 27 January 2001 13:34 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF; Time to Move to Utah > > > > And I thought that Carole King was dead > > Apparently not, but Freddie Mercury is. However I assume everyone knows > that, and no-one's mentioned it, so I am forced to conclude that > Queen still > tour without him, and that everyone knew that except me. I do recall them > playing a charity bash with the squawky bloke from Guns 'n' Roses taking > his place, but thought that was a one-off. Had no idea they were still > functional otherwise. Not by the longest stretch of the most fertile > imagination was I ever a Queen fan, but even so Queen without Freddie > seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Are they really still > treading the > boards? And if so why? It can hardly be because they need the money. > > -- > Nick Medford > > From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sat Jan 27 08:49:41 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:49:41 -0000 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I still remember an interview circa 1980, when they said, of MIRRORS, they were deliberately trying to produce their answer to Fleetwood Mac's RUMOURS... -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 27 January 2001 12:45 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Agents of BOC's fortunes... > > > At 11.43 -0400 26.1.2001, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > >Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? > > Well, I've assumed that they thought they would do well by becoming a > guitar-pop band. I mean, it was the early 80s -- a time when a lot of > people were deluded in terms of musical taste :) -- and Buck was > always kinda of a pop-song person trapped in the body of a screaming > rock guitarist. And, let's face it, pop success will make you a _lot_ > of money. > > On the other hand, it rarely brings you staying power. Bands that > were less popular 30 years ago but hung on to a solid fan base and > retained some critical acclaim must surely sell more records now than > those who topped the charts for a few months and then sank without > trace. > > My theory is that BOC wanted to expand their audience by going pop, > but instead failed to get a new audience and destroyed the old one > with some fairly poor records. > > IMO, they're still sufficiently well-respected that some solid > recordings could regain them a measure of respect as elder statesmen > of heavy rock who are actually still going strong. There are plenty > of other people in that category who don't top the charts, but who > fill sizeable concert halls, who sell quite good albums to a > respectably sized and dedicated fan base, and can even get rock-fan > kids to say "Hey, this is a pretty cool album" not that infrequently. > > Motorhead, obviously, come to mind ... Alice Cooper, probably, and, > well, a whole bunch of others. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:scylding at carlaz.com > http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ > > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 08:54:54 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:54:54 +0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >The remaining members of Queen do play occasionally, for fun rather than for >money, I guess. Oh, I'm sure they have fun, but do they really have to do it in public? > They were sampled on a version of "We Will Rock You" by boy >band Five, and made at least one live appearance with them I rest my case. :-) -- Nick Medford From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 08:58:08 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:58:08 +0000 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >I still remember an interview circa 1980, when they said, of MIRRORS, they >were deliberately trying to produce their answer to Fleetwood Mac's >RUMOURS... Surely the best answer to 'Rumours' was provided by bands such as Motorhead and the Dead Kennedys? -- Nick Medford From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sat Jan 27 09:04:10 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:04:10 -0000 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Right in one... but we were discussing where BOC went wrong... ;)) For all Pearlman's faults, he'd never have gone that route (and died)... -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: 27 January 2001 13:58 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Agents of BOC's fortunes... > > > In message om>, Andy Gilham writes > >I still remember an interview circa 1980, when they said, of > MIRRORS, they > >were deliberately trying to produce their answer to Fleetwood Mac's > >RUMOURS... > > Surely the best answer to 'Rumours' was provided by bands such as > Motorhead and the Dead Kennedys? > -- > Nick Medford > > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Jan 27 09:14:08 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:14:08 GMT Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: Hello Bernhard, I'm pretty sure they only played twice - the mid-day and evening gigs. After the evening gig there was a firework display and a sort of 'disco' in the large tent which the gig was held in. In the early hours of the morning I went back to my tent some other people near me had a very loud music sytem playing. Apparently some local people complained and they had to turn it down. I was awake nearly all night and HW didn't play during that time. Thanks again Bernhard Mick > Hi Mick >At 22:56 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >the afternoon session was unbelievable with lots of >improvisation. I even >thought I heard 'The White Zone ' at one >point. A double CD for Passport >Holders would be perfect. > >As far as I know they played 3 times: >The 1st gig was around midday >The 2nd one in the evening (I've got a tape and video from that one) >The 3rd one very very late in the evening > >I am still looking for a tape from the midday gig (1st gig)! >I'd give my right arm for that one!!!! > >Bernhard May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jan 27 09:25:22 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:25:22 +0100 Subject: HW: New(ish) song In-Reply-To: <20010127141454.MFCR20154.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi again Mick At 14:14 27.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: >I'm pretty sure they only played twice - the mid-day and evening >gigs. After the evening gig there was a firework display and a sort >of 'disco' in the large tent which the gig was held in. In the >early hours of the morning I went back to my tent some other people >near me had a very loud music sytem playing. Apparently some local >people complained and they had to turn it down. I was awake nearly >all night and HW didn't play during that time. Thanks for your very detailed explanations But.... please find here some words of a fan who wrote to me a couple of days after that special event ================================================================= They played three times. immediately after the eclipse, in the evening, and again at 1:30am. We would be interested in obtaining tapes of this event ourselves, but do not have any material to exchange. regards, baz ================================================================== His e-mail address is: roger at strangeness42.freeserve.co.uk I am really not sure what happened that day.... cheers Bernhard From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 09:57:36 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:57:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon House interview Message-ID: Question for Star_Rats When are Simon House's answers to the cyber-interview going to go up on www.hawkwind.com? Unfortunately I missed the deadline for sending a question, but I'm still very curious to see what this most enigmatic of Hawks has to say for himself. And does anyone know if there are any other interviews with Simon anywhere on the web? -- Nick Medford From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Jan 27 10:21:41 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:21:41 -0600 Subject: OFF: search engine for cd covers Message-ID: Wow! http://mega-search.net/ MegaSearch searches through over 280,000 cd covers on more than 350 sites. It's the largest cd covers search engine in the world. -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sat Jan 27 10:22:35 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:22:35 -0000 Subject: Simon House interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll see if I can find out... -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Medford > Sent: 27 January 2001 14:58 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Simon House interview > > > Question for Star_Rats > > When are Simon House's answers to the cyber-interview going to go up on > www.hawkwind.com? Unfortunately I missed the deadline for sending a > question, but I'm still very curious to see what this most > enigmatic of Hawks > has to say for himself. > > And does anyone know if there are any other interviews with Simon > anywhere on the web? > -- > Nick Medford > > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Jan 27 10:28:24 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:28:24 -0600 Subject: OFF: CDR-Info, The Recording Authority Message-ID: CDR-Info, The Recording Authority http://www.cdrinfo.com/ -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Jan 27 11:48:01 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:48:01 +0000 Subject: Hello! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Nick Medford wrote: > In message <006001c084b5$515beda0$880d28d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck > writes > >PRRRRRINNNNNNG PRRRRRINNNNNNG > > > >Hello, Good Evening...and Welcome. > > Their cannons are deadly and heinous > And shiny and turgid and stout... And it howls... It howls like hell... You poor f***ing humans! (In order to maintain the Balance :-) -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 11:49:26 2001 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:49:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Total Rock broadcast Message-ID: Hello folks, The Astoria live broadcast will be on Total Rock radio tonight from 10.20pm until 11.00pm UK time. That's what we have been told anyway, it may be safer to tune in a little earlier just in case! Best wishes Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 27 12:17:45 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:17:45 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > Hi, > > >PS - I heard somewhere that Boxleitner went up to JMS and asked him where he > >got all those great ideas from. Apparently JMS handed him a copy of Lord of > >the Rings and walked off....................... > > I've heard that story, too. I've also read an interview with JMS (don't > know in which mag it was) where he also stated that some of his ideas and > inspirations come from the LotR. And I think there are really some aspects > in B5 that are very reminiscent to JRRT's great work (the Rangers for example). He was also influenced by Space Patrol (the British puppet series). William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 27 12:21:04 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:21:04 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: > From: "Arin Komins > > :Please say you are not referring to Blake 7! > > > > yup. Scarily enough, I'm quite a fan. > > > > IMO Blake's 7 was the best SF series to ever hit the TV screens. Wouldn't > mind a repeat....;-) I agree. Much prefer it to a lot of the over-budgeted, & rather dull US shows that we see today. William From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Jan 27 14:03:17 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:03:17 -0700 Subject: Total Rock broadcast In-Reply-To: <001601c08881$1df79f20$769393c3@default> Message-ID: Well, I tuned in a lot early, and I'm hearing (gar!) Survivor now, having just suffered through Firehouse, and Whitesnake earlier.......but I'm braving through it all, as they have played some good stuff as well. But the excruciating wait until 10:20GMT continues! KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of XXX Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:49 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Total Rock broadcast Hello folks, The Astoria live broadcast will be on Total Rock radio tonight from 10.20pm until 11.00pm UK time. That's what we have been told anyway, it may be safer to tune in a little earlier just in case! Best wishes Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: OFF; Time to Move to Utah > In message com>, Andy Gilham writes > >The remaining members of Queen do play occasionally, for fun rather than for > >money, I guess. > > Oh, I'm sure they have fun, but do they really have to do it in public? > > > They were sampled on a version of "We Will Rock You" by boy > >band Five, and made at least one live appearance with them > > I rest my case. > > :-) > -- > Nick Medford From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Jan 27 15:48:47 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:48:47 -0500 Subject: Total Rock broadcast In-Reply-To: ; from novadrive@HOME.COM on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:03:17PM -0700 Message-ID: Well, they just played Hurry on Sundown as a teaser... On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:03:17PM -0700, Kevin Sommers wrote: > Well, I tuned in a lot early, and I'm hearing (gar!) Survivor now, having > just suffered through Firehouse, and Whitesnake earlier.......but I'm > braving through it all, as they have played some good stuff as well. But > the excruciating wait until 10:20GMT continues! > > KevinSommers > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of XXX > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:49 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Total Rock broadcast > > > Hello folks, > > The Astoria live broadcast will be on Total Rock radio tonight from > 10.20pm until 11.00pm UK time. > That's what we have been told anyway, it may be safer to tune in a little > earlier just in case! > > Best wishes > > Kris -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Jan 27 15:53:41 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:53:41 -0500 Subject: Total Rock broadcast In-Reply-To: <20010127154847.A23966@telepres.com>; from erics@TELEPRES.COM on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:48:47PM -0500 Message-ID: Sorry for following up my own post, but I forgot to mention: Someone from Porcupine Tree (whose name I forget) will be on as a guest, starting at 9:00 GMT. That might make the wait less tedious. On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:48:47PM -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: > Well, they just played Hurry on Sundown as a teaser... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From nick at NETPHD.NET Sat Jan 27 16:38:14 2001 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:38:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: <21q37ts150kkfhuqkbdgcuae804ieimsq2@4ax.com> Message-ID: Quoting Tim Hall : > Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > >INteresting pairing: the Jam on tour with BOC in 77/78. > >DO you think management ever reallllly knew who BOC could tour alongside? > > Can't have been worse that Miss Daisy in 1989. Sorry. . . I think I've got them all trumped. BOC OPENING for the Violent Femmes and Fishbone at Cornell U., 1992-ish. --Nick From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sat Jan 27 17:31:07 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:31:07 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Bl at ck To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: HW:TotalRock > Tried connecting to TotalRock - all I get is the stupid Tommy Vance jingle > repeated ad infinitum. > > Please, can anybody do me a good copy of this? > > Yours, > > Totally Pissed off, > > Captain Bl at ck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:17 PM > Subject: Re[2]: [Hawkwind] Re: Desert Island Discs ???Dead Boys > > > > Don't worry! It's "on-topic" :^). In one of my last messages that > > made it through to boc-l, I outlined the connection between Stiv > > Bators/Dead Boys and Hawkwind (via Lemmy, the Damned/Doomed, and > > Lords of the New Church [whose drummer was named Nicky Turner] or > > Tanz Der Youth [whose drummer was Al Powell]). And, of course, the > > fact that the folks who wrote "Sonic Reducer" (one of the alltime > > great songs!), David Thomas et. al., were big Hawkwind fans ... > > > > Everything is connected to Hawkwind :^), like it or not (now who out > > there managed to get a good recording of the TotalRock broadcast?) ... > > > > -Doug > > ceres at sirius.com > > > > --- In Hawkwind at y..., "Steven Skane" wrote: > > > I have Young, Loud and Snotty and the live album of their last > > gig... > > > {Hawkwind} Note that > > > Hawkwind have been mentioned twice in this message so it is not off > > topic. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups > > Click here for more details > > http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/619049/_/980633910/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > > > Community email addresses: > > Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com > > Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com > > Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com > > List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind > > > From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 17:40:56 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:40:56 +0000 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock In-Reply-To: <002701c088b0$d84cb020$3f1428d5@starfield> Message-ID: In article <002701c088b0$d84cb020$3f1428d5 at starfield>, Captain Bl at ck writes >----- Original Message ----- >From: Captain Bl at ck >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:28 PM >Subject: HW:TotalRock > > >> Tried connecting to TotalRock - all I get is the stupid Tommy Vance jingle >> repeated ad infinitum. >> >> Please, can anybody do me a good copy of this? >> >> Yours, >> >> Totally Pissed off, >> >> Captain Bl at ck Could be worse - all I get is 'server bandwidth exceeded' -- David Blair From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sat Jan 27 18:07:08 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:07:08 -0600 Subject: HW: totalrock Message-ID: argh! I lost my connection in the middle of motorway city and the beginning of hurry on sundown. ...and no damage of life! (whine) Anyone get a good copy of the thing? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:08:46 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:08:46 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: Well, I just about managed to log in OK to the broadcast; not too bad either but a pity that they did not broadcast High Rise! Oh well, I will just have to wait for the live CD to come out! The Windows Media Player is far better than Real Audio too. Colin From coral at APORT.RU Sat Jan 27 18:08:46 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:08:46 +0300 Subject: HW: Totalrock - Hawkwind rules! Message-ID: Just finished listening and recording of totalrock broadcast. What a great show was in Astoria! Band in a perfect and finest form! Such a pity I wasn't there... And totalrock played only few songs. I want more! Band should release the full show and as soon as possible. Dave, please, release it! Alissa From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Jan 27 18:22:05 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:22:05 EST Subject: Total Rock broadcast Message-ID: Lost my connection just as HW started! Been on since 2PM EST USA... everything crystal clear up to then...caught end of Motorway City and thats all she wrote. Regards, Bill 'back on the ledge' Stewart From coral at APORT.RU Sat Jan 27 18:21:28 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:21:28 +0300 Subject: HW: totalrock - spirit of the age Message-ID: The version of Spirit was wonderful! Ron gave a new life to this great song. Want more good Ron's vocals and his vocal improvisation. Alissa From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:23:44 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:23:44 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock > Well, > > I just about managed to log in OK to the broadcast; not too bad either but > a pity that they did not broadcast High Rise! Oh well, I will just have to > wait for the live CD to come out! The Windows Media Player is far better > than Real Audio too. > > Colin How did you manage that! My connection was fine until 10.00pm but then it dumped me and I couldn't get back on to the server again "server bandwidth exceeded" until just now. sigh jill From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Jan 27 18:30:37 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:30:37 -0500 Subject: HW: totalrock In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:07:08PM -0600 Message-ID: Got it! Well, I think so. I'll have to listen to it all again before I can say how many dropouts. Didn't hear any in a few spot-checks though :-) And damn, it was as wonderful the second time around as it was on the night! (I spent the 40 minutes reading everyone's posts about the gig/parties/..., which I've been too busy to more than dip my toes into up till now, to remind me how amazing it all was. Perfect!) On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:07:08PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > argh! > > I lost my connection in the middle of motorway city and the beginning > of hurry on sundown. > > ...and no damage of life! (whine) > > Anyone get a good copy of the thing? > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Jan 27 18:36:03 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:36:03 -0500 Subject: HW: TotalRock TO BE REPEATED Message-ID: They just announced that they'll be repeating the TotalRock broadcast tomorrow at 6 AM (I guess that means Monday; it's still just barely Sunday night GMT). So everyone who missed it has another chance. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:37:44 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:37:44 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: The whole show is repeated tomorrow (Sunday) morning, starting at 6am. Therefore, the HW segment should come on at about 10:20am. Colin From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:39:49 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:39:49 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: No idea! There were about 10 minutes of total panic and swearing and then it let me in. The whole show is repeated in the morning, starting at 6am. Colin From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:39:54 2001 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:39:54 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: I too kept getting the "server bandwidth exceeded" message, but after 10-15 minutes of repeated attempts to re-connect, I succeded (only for it to drop out again during the Intro, but I got it back again just before the first verse of Levitation). But........for those who missed the broadcast or who only heard/recorded fragments - I've just heard that the whole programme's being repeated at 6am tomorrow, so the Astoria set should be on around 10.20. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jill Strobridge To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 January 2001 23:28 Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock >----- Original Message ----- >From: Colin Allen >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:08 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock > > >> Well, >> >> I just about managed to log in OK to the broadcast; not too bad >either but >> a pity that they did not broadcast High Rise! Oh well, I will >just have to >> wait for the live CD to come out! The Windows Media Player is far >better >> than Real Audio too. >> >> Colin > >How did you manage that! My connection was fine until 10.00pm but >then it dumped me and I couldn't get back on to the server again >"server bandwidth exceeded" until just now. >sigh >jill From colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jan 27 18:42:04 2001 From: colin at CALLEN18.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Colin Allen) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:42:04 -0500 Subject: HW: totalrock Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:07:08 -0600, Arin Komins wrote: >argh! > >I lost my connection in the middle of motorway city and the beginning >of hurry on sundown. > >...and no damage of life! (whine) > >Anyone get a good copy of the thing? > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu >Web Systems Administrator >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ It is repeated in 12 hours' time! Colin From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Jan 27 18:49:23 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:49:23 -0500 Subject: HW: TotalRock TO BE REPEATED In-Reply-To: <20010127183603.B24882@telepres.com>; from erics@TELEPRES.COM on Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:36:03PM -0500 Message-ID: Ack, I'm doing it again! This time an error correction; that'd be Sunday morning they're repeating it, NOT Monday. Dunno what made me think today was Sunday :-( On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:36:03PM -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: > They just announced that they'll be repeating the TotalRock > broadcast tomorrow at 6 AM (I guess that means Monday; it's still > just barely Sunday night GMT). > > So everyone who missed it has another chance. > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: > Is there anything in astrology? > Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, > so I'm naturally skeptical. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 27 19:05:27 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:05:27 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: In the UK, CBS, at the time, really did their nest to brek the two singles that came off the 'Revolution By Night' album. The reps carried the singles into the shops, did the deals so prevalent at the time to get it them charted, but depsite the efforts, the one thing they couldn't get was radio play. The company really thought they had a commercial rock winner with 'RBN' and did promote it quite heavily, but I guess when all that feel on stoby ground, they thought that unless someone comes up with 'Reaper MK 2', no point carrying on with the necesary spending. Problem with BOC is the problem that hits a lot of bands - a massive single that is way untypical of the band's general; style - kills 'em completely for the future, commercially, unless there is someone in the band who's one hell of a singles writer. ZZ Top and the Stones had a sense of humour, another thing I've not exactly noted BOC for possessing, musically at least - too darned serious. That, allied to the record company willinhgness to throw the money at the band to make the videos to go on MTV, also can't have helped. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Apold" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) > I don't remember ever seeing Revolution by Night. I distinctly remember > seeing > Club Ninja, thinking, "Gee, what a stupid album name" and "stupid cover" and > not even looking at the back of it. > > I wasn't really into BOC yet at that point, obviously. > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jan 27 19:10:05 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:10:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who Message-ID: I used to say that here in the UK before I got UK Gold on satellite TV - now I'm fed up with the darned thing it's been rotated so much!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:45 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: HW: Question for Dave regarding use of music for Dr. Who > From: "Arin Komins > > :Please say you are not referring to Blake 7! > > > > yup. Scarily enough, I'm quite a fan. > > > > IMO Blake's 7 was the best SF series to ever hit the TV screens. Wouldn't > mind a repeat....;-) > > Bill From bart at ENGAGE.NU Sat Jan 27 19:28:53 2001 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:28:53 +0100 Subject: HW: RE:TotalRock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Jan 2001, at 22:40, Tigger wrote: > > Could be worse - all I get is 'server bandwidth exceeded' same for me!!!! grrrrrrr --BArt From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Jan 27 20:29:34 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:29:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: search engine for cd covers Message-ID: From: "Karen Kusic" > Wow! > > http://mega-search.net/ > > MegaSearch searches through over 280,000 cd covers on more than 350 > sites. It's the largest cd covers search engine in the world. Unfortunately, their web page won't load unless I allow connections to flycast.com on port 80. I don't allow that. Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sat Jan 27 20:31:36 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:31:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: CDR-Info, The Recording Authority Message-ID: From: "Karen Kusic" > CDR-Info, The Recording Authority > > http://www.cdrinfo.com/ Aaarggghh, Another page that insists on outbound connections on port 80 to flycast.com. Jerry From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Jan 27 21:09:35 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:09:35 -0700 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock In-Reply-To: <002e01c088b8$32c67200$461c883e@jds> Message-ID: But in the 'Silver Lining' category, it's great (albeit in a mixed sort of way) that "server bandwidth exceeded" was a problem...it just shows TotalRock, or anyone who might care, that HawkFans clamored for the webcast, that there's LOTS of us who wanted to hear it, so more more MORE Hawkwind!!! KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 4:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock > Well, > > I just about managed to log in OK to the broadcast; not too bad either but > a pity that they did not broadcast High Rise! Oh well, I will just have to > wait for the live CD to come out! The Windows Media Player is far better > than Real Audio too. > > Colin How did you manage that! My connection was fine until 10.00pm but then it dumped me and I couldn't get back on to the server again "server bandwidth exceeded" until just now. sigh jill From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 27 21:47:18 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:17:18 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Message-ID: thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Tempo do 50 700mb memerox cd-r's in a spindle for around 20 pounds. colm ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` NP: ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????` -----Original Message----- From: Michael W Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 January 2001 05:07 Subject: Hawkwind regarding recordable cd's Hi there This, rather late, response is in regards to the query about cheap cd's I get mine for $1.65each with totally clear case in batches of 50 or more They are studio quality BASF with plain printable surface - no cruddy logos etc Hope the festival work out in the summer - I wanna go!! Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 27 21:48:08 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:18:08 +1030 Subject: OFF: Re: semi Hawkwind cover Message-ID: >following album but there is actually some dedent stuff on there as far as >guitar pop goes. `Richard III' particularly. Are you really sure its dedent? ;>) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: semi Hawkwind cover > In article .uk>, Jon Jarrett writes > >My borther had to really try to get me to even listen to the > >following album but there is actually some dedent stuff on there as far as > >guitar pop goes. `Richard III' particularly. > > "Caught by the Fuzz" is pretty good as far as chart music goes too! > -- > Jon From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 27 21:54:14 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:24:14 +1030 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: > Adrian Parr did this job. > His phantastic book will be released very soon Can;t wait to get a copy! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: Re: HW: New(ish) song > Hi Michael! > > At 15:15 27.01.2001 +1030, you wrote: > > >Tell me, when are YOU going to release a book about Hawkwind?? > :-)) > Adrian Parr did this job. > His phantastic book will be released very soon > > > >You must be the most knowledgable Hawk fan I have known!!! > Thanks Michael. But I know that there are a couple fans out there with the > same knowledge! > > Bernhard From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jan 27 22:13:22 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:13:22 -0000 Subject: HW: totalrock Message-ID: i used voquette and my pc crashed 0n 58 mins lost the whole thing!!! anyone get it all??? and maybe put it on idrive or myspace??? cheers colm ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` NP: ???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`????,??,????`???`???? ,??,????` -----Original Message----- From: Arin Komins To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 January 2001 23:09 Subject: HW: totalrock >argh! > >I lost my connection in the middle of motorway city and the beginning >of hurry on sundown. > >...and no damage of life! (whine) > >Anyone get a good copy of the thing? > >Arin >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu >Web Systems Administrator >University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 >1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 >------------------------------------------------------------------ > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Jan 27 22:30:53 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:00:53 +1030 Subject: HW: Totalrock - Hawkwind rules! Message-ID: what was that previous email wiff attattchments - signed the timid & wary ----- Original Message ----- From: Alissa To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: HW: Totalrock - Hawkwind rules! > Just finished listening and recording of totalrock broadcast. What a great > show was in Astoria! Band in a perfect and finest form! Such a pity I wasn't > there... > > And totalrock played only few songs. > I want more! Band should release the full show and as soon as possible. > Dave, please, release it! > > Alissa From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Jan 27 22:52:17 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:52:17 -0700 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And I know next-to-nothing about TotalRock, but I'm assuming that it isn't normal practice to repeat a show? -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Kevin Sommers Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 7:10 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock But in the 'Silver Lining' category, it's great (albeit in a mixed sort of way) that "server bandwidth exceeded" was a problem...it just shows TotalRock, or anyone who might care, that HawkFans clamored for the webcast, that there's LOTS of us who wanted to hear it, so more more MORE Hawkwind!!! KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Jill Strobridge Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 4:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Allen To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: HW:TotalRock > Well, > > I just about managed to log in OK to the broadcast; not too bad either but > a pity that they did not broadcast High Rise! Oh well, I will just have to > wait for the live CD to come out! The Windows Media Player is far better > than Real Audio too. > > Colin How did you manage that! My connection was fine until 10.00pm but then it dumped me and I couldn't get back on to the server again "server bandwidth exceeded" until just now. sigh jill From coral at APORT.RU Sun Jan 28 03:33:35 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:33:35 +0300 Subject: HW: Totalrock - Hawkwind rules! Message-ID: > what was that previous email wiff attattchments - the same e-mail forwarded to another list From CultJacket at AOL.COM Sun Jan 28 04:50:41 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 04:50:41 -0500 Subject: New BOC Song Message-ID: On Friday in Coos Bay OR BOC played a new Eric Vocal/Composition called I Just Like To Be Bad. Haven't heard any details about what it was like. This makes the 5th song to be played live from the upcoming CD From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Jan 28 06:28:53 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:28:53 -0000 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: OOOOPS! I now have it on good authority that both Anna Seed and Scary Trees were written by Ron, Richard and Jerry, and not just Ron as I stated earlier. Apologies for the mix-up. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: New(ish) song > Cheers Bernhard, > Extremely helpful as always. I'd love to know who wrote it. > I really hope this gets released some day, the afternoon session was unbelievable with lots of improvisation. I even thought I heard 'The White Zone ' at one point. A double CD for Passport Holders would be perfect. > > Mick > > > > Hi Mick > > > >At 21:21 26.01.2001 +0000, you wrote: > >Going back to the Eclipse Party in '99, HW did a really cool new >number > >during the evening session but I don't Know what it was >called. It started > >with some gentle guitar work from Jerry and then >sort of built up into a > >powerful song with a superb, even classic >Brock riff in the middle. The > >only lyrics I can remeber Ron singing >were somthing like 'aniseed flavour' > >but I might be wrong. Anyone >know its title and who wrote it? I was hoping > >it would appear on >SpaceBrock but its not on it . > > > >This song is called ANNA SEED > > > >Here is the complete track listing: > > > >11.08.1999, CARLEEN, WEDDING PARTY, 90min. (evening gig) > >earth calling / aerospaceage inferno / wage war / motorway city / assault & > >battery / golden void / alchemie / anna seed / arrival in utopia / poem / > >hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / love in space / > >brainstorm / in your area / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin > > > > > >cheers > >Bernhard > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE Sun Jan 28 06:46:19 2001 From: mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE (Chris Appelt) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 06:46:19 -0500 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: Hi there, that was a funny event. Long wires to the telephone line, another long wires from the computer to the tape-deck, some packages of chips, somme bottles of beer, the flickerig lights of the new Media Player on two screens and totally loud 40 minutes of Hawkwind music. Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying through the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. Again a superb demonstration of Ron's vocals on Spirit of the age. He's the only one that can transform Calvert's spirit into new life. So it was good fun between at last empty bottles, epty packages but a full tape of good music. Thanks to TotalRock Radio and to the Streaming Audio Technology. Chris From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 28 07:00:39 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:30:39 +1030 Subject: Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi there all!! Some new stuff at the Tepee ({ HAWKWIND ALBUMS PAGE}) - any feedback & or constructive criticism would be appreciated Peace good people Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 28 07:01:43 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:31:43 +1030 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: wanna share the audio ?? :>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Appelt To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Total Rock Radio > Hi there, > > that was a funny event. Long wires to the telephone line, another long > wires from the computer to the tape-deck, some packages of chips, somme > bottles of beer, the flickerig lights of the new Media Player on two > screens and totally loud 40 minutes of Hawkwind music. > > Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I > am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice > from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good > appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. > > But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying through > the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. > > Again a superb demonstration of Ron's vocals on Spirit of the age. He's the > only one that can transform Calvert's spirit into new life. > > So it was good fun between at last empty bottles, epty packages but a full > tape of good music. > > > Thanks to TotalRock Radio and to the Streaming Audio Technology. > > Chris From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 07:19:12 2001 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:19:12 -0000 Subject: HW: New(ish) song Message-ID: >Captain Bl at ck wrote: >I now have it on good authority that both Anna Seed and Scary Trees were >written by Ron, Richard and Jerry, and not just Ron as I stated earlier. Hey Cap'n B Is there any chance we'll get to hear these in the near future? ;@) Dave From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 28 07:26:15 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:56:15 +1030 Subject: hawkwind Message-ID: Hi there all!! sorry forgot the link - Some new stuff at the Tepee ({ HAWKWIND ALBUMS PAGE}) - any feedback & or constructive criticism would be appreciated http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Peace good people Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Jan 28 09:14:49 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:14:49 GMT Subject: HW: Totalrock Message-ID: Hello everyone, Well I managed to hear the broadcast ok so I'm counting myself very lucky. Was it just me or did anyone else recieve it mono? Even so it sounded great - having two dedicated synth/keys players really filled out the sound and greatly added to the atmosphere which allowed Dave to concentrate on the guitar - Briliant.I hope this arrangement becomes the norm! - Good stuff Harvey & Captain Black! Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 09:31:46 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:31:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Totalrock In-Reply-To: <20010128141105.QSWB15069.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: In message <20010128141105.QSWB15069.t21mta00-app.talk21.com at t21m taV-lrs>, Michael Crook writes >Hello everyone, > >Well I managed to hear the broadcast ok so I'm counting myself very lucky. Indeed! Sod's Law was in full swing at my place. First my regular ISP suddenly loses connectivity about 15mins before showtime. Some hasty reconfiguring later, I reconnect on a different dial-up, but then I just get the 'server bandwith exceeded' message and after the third time I give up, knowing the Hawkwind segment is almost half done by then anyway. Curses, curses, curses. And even more curses on discovering that I missed it again this morning! Looking forward to the (hoped-for) live album even more now. I really hope this one comes out on CD- from a technical point of view, the Astoria was probably the best HW show I've seen. It would make a phenomenal live album. > Was it >just me or did anyone else recieve it mono? Even so it sounded great - having two >dedicated synth/keys players really filled out the sound and greatly added to the >atmosphere which allowed Dave to concentrate on the guitar - Briliant.I hope this >arrangement becomes the norm! Amen to that! -- Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 28 06:52:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:52:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates Message-ID: ..........and of course all available from CDS Towers here in sunny Dundee. By the way, I wonder what the fans who've bought all the EP's think about the unreleased tracks being gathered together on an album now - good idea or milking the fans dry? Opinions, please. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stuewe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates > > LIGHTBULB SUN SPECIAL EDITION > > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on > > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to serve > > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection of EP > > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid > > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. > > > > NO-MAN - RETURNING JESUS > > No-Man's new album "Returning Jesus" is finally available. > > No-Man is the duo of Tim Bowness (vocals) and Steven Wilson (instruments) > > and this is their first new album since 1996's 'Wild Opera'. Uniquely From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 28 09:55:24 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:55:24 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... Message-ID: Dunno what prompted Jon to do this - maybe I missed something - but it does throw up a few points that I'd like to answer - can't wait to see what he says about the Starfield album - wonder if he'll feel the same about an album done by a guy who actually plays in Hawkwind!!! For those interested, read on, otherwise the rest of you move on to your next e.mail.. Andy Garibaldi (the guy who runs Dead Earnest on which label the Krel album is released) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... Dear All, and here is a review of Krel's _Ad Astra_. I particularly enjoyed the spot-the-HW-riff bit and recommend that everyone gets a copy to play this game themselves :-) REPLY>>>>Tad cynical but at least you're recommending it so thanks for that. ------------------------ "Krel are one of the few remaining British space-rock groups. Or they were. They started in the early eighties I believe, shedding various people who went on to form Spacehead, PXR1 and Cellular Structure and some time two or three years ago finally went pling leaving one Martin M with the name. He is now Krel. And though they were apparently very highly thought of on the scene in the early nineties, only now (well, 1999) has anything more album-like than limited edition cassettes emerged. And since it's all Martin's work I wonder how much it's like proper Krel. But anyway. REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>No such thing as 'proper Krel' - the early albums will all be released onto CD, so you can hear the old Krel for yourself and no doubt compare it to the new Krel, and soon we may have the debut CD from CyberKrel - it's all an ongoing process. ---------------------- "This album is a very good example of a phenomenon that really irritates me in the British underground. By which I mean that its a very good album within that phenomenon. That phenomenon is the inability of British space-rock to do anything more than rip off, imitate and generally fail to get over Hawkwind. REPLY>>>>>>>>>There is no attempt to 'rip-off' Hawkwind on this album, musically, but when you're a musician into Hawkwind and space-rock who is very heavily influenced by them, what do you expect - Yes samples!!! The accusation of imitation may irritate you but I have always said that if something is worthwhile musically, even if it sounds like someone else, it is still worthwhile musically and you simply can't argue with that. This album is a worthwhile and highly enjoyable musical statement and you can't say fairer than that. -------------------------- Now, Hawkwind are a lgend, and though they do turn out some crap they are capable of complete transcendence and no-one else does it the same way. But Krel and Spacehead particularly seem to be unable to get further than recycling those riffs and putting new lyrics on the old themes (Hawkwind haven't dedicatedly sung about space since the early seventies) REPLY>>>>>>>>Hang on a minute - Hawkwind can go from crap to transcendence and that's OK, but every other band has to be transcedent AND original all the time - not fair, that one - and Hawkwind still sing about space live in concert, even if not on CD, although I'll bet that's arguable. ---------------------------- . Now, this is a good album. The keyboards are very nice, the textures good, the samples well-chosen and placed, and the playing of the other instruments cant be complained about. Even the sleeve is nice although the fact that all the information is inside the booklet annoys me - it would be nice to check a track number without extracting it. REPLY>>>>>>>>>>yes - blame me for that. It was the first CD we released and we made mistakes - I should have put more on the back but we loved that photo treatment - incidentally, without using any special lenses, the cover is South of France and the inside and booklet back are looking over the delights of Newcastle-Under-Lyme, Staffordshire from a higher point in Etruria, a mile or two away. --------------------------- I am often hyper-critical of the stuff that gets claimed as "better than Hawkwind" or "reminiscent of Hawkwind at their best so I'll try and make clear again before I launch into the diatribe that there are lots of good points about this album and I do like it REPLY>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the comments - not sure if I ever claimed it was 'better than' (check that old promotion!!!) but compared to something like 'Distant Horizons', this is sensational stuff - all a matter of opinion I suppose, but I go back to my previous statement - this is a class album regardless of who or what it sounds like. ------------------------- . The only musical argument I have with it per se is that Martin isnt a great singer, and that he mixes his vocals too loud. This is a particular problem on the second part of the first track, `Towers', which has a deliberately arythmic vocal. So the riff just gets established (and its not a brilliant riff, but it does) and you're just hooking onto it when the words arrive and throw you off it. Once you know when they're coming in its OK but on first listen that is not good. REPLY>>>>>>>>Your taste, but what you are saying, in that it is an original treatment of the style, while it may irritate you, goes against the accusation of lack of originality. He's loud so you can hear the words - not exxactly Shakespeare, but for us it all fits well together -------------- "The lyrics are not too bad. Spacehead have the wrst lyrics in the world, the sort of junk spacerock set to Motorhead-like patterns that you can generate for hours on end, rhyming `space' with `race' and so on. REPLY>>>>errr......I don't release Spacehead for their mastery of the English language - fair point but they freely admit a heavy Hawk influence to the degree you say, but we like it and that is our only criteria for releasing CD's. -------------------- This stuff is much better, the same pattern but unexpected words and things that sound thoughtful. And though the early rock tracks have a bit too much of the singalong bounce about them, REPLY>>>>>ahh - commerciality - sometimes you can't do right for doing wrong!!!! --------------- REPLY: I won't bore you with replies to the specific tracks, just to say that it is nit-picking in the minutest detail to say that a part of a riff sounds like something out of a Hawkwind song and then sort of damn it with faint praise, especially on an album where this has simply not happened on a conscious basis, if at all. --------------------------- "So, in conclusion, it's a good approach at doing Hawkwind classics in nineties dressing, and if Hawkwind still put spacerock of this quality out they would still be legendary. The fact that Krel too are drawing on Hawkwind's past glories should not be allowed to detract from the fact that they do it well. But so do Hawkwind. How many parrot acts do we need? And when will someone do something new?" REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need? It's not a question of 'need' - if a space-rock group does a great album, it's greeted with acclaim and people buy it - if Hawkwind do a poor album, people still buy it - if Hawkwind did an album you hated, you'd still buy it 'for the collection' - and something new? After 40 years of the music industry in the 'modern era', there's very little 'new' (in the sense that you've never heard anything like it before ) under the sun - you could lay the ghost of many a Krautrock band of the seventies against many of the USA space-rock bands in a similar manner!!) but there is tons and tons of great music out there - always has been, always will be, and hopefully we'll weigh in with a few along the way at Dead Earnest. Andy Garibaldi (speaking for/as Krel/Dead Earnest) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 28 09:34:32 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:34:32 +0800 Subject: Fw: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex Message-ID: Si, I've forward your message/question to BOC - L. Hope some-one there can help. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkman" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex > If your talking Discography, See Hawkman's. > It's almost up to date. www.ka.net/ss > He does a pretty good job. I've used it quite a bit. > > SS > > > > Can anyone point me to the up to date HW codex or even send me a copy? I > > tried the Boc-l site but can`t get through, and Sonique`s version is > 1997! > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> > eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups > Click here for more details > http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/619049/_/980621411/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > Community email addresses: > Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com > Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com > Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com > List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind > > From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Jan 28 12:03:24 2001 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:03:24 +0100 Subject: HW:Completists Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > So, can anyone tell me if the *first* one actually exists? I know > the second one does because I've held it in my hands (and gone, "Hmph, > more Twink rip-off stuff" and put it back) but then what are Gema > selling? Is it so easy to get the name wrong? Does anyone have the sort of > catalogue they can check this number in? Thanks for any help, yours, > Jon I only have the 2nd one on HTD records which has some pretty badly recorded early 70?s blues stuff on it. The only intersting fact about this CD is the wonderful cover artwork by Peter Pracownik. He?s the nice guy who did the marvellous Hawkwind poster which was sold by himself at the Astoria gig. Andreas From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 12:54:14 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:54:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates In-Reply-To: <14LqI4-0lTgYKC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Andreas Stuewe wrote: > > May 11 UK London Shepherds Bush Empire I'll be at that one. Might bring some people too. > > Support on all the UK shows will be Rothko, except London, where it will > > be Anathema and Rothko. Support at the Swedish show will be Opeth. > > The London show is also being recorded for a live album. There is likely > > to be some other dates added in the USA. What, Anathema the death-Floyd band? Blimey. That'll be an interesting bill and no mistake. And I shall be on the recording :-) You'll know me, I'll be the one shouting for `Burning Sky' :-) > > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on > > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to serve > > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This > > bonus CD will contain three tracks, all of them available on other KScope > > releases, plus an enhanced element containing the video for Piano > > Lessons, a full discography and an image gallery. The only change to the > > packaging for the album will be the addition of a slipcase (cold instead > > of hot) with credits for the additional CD printed on the back and a > > sticker with quotes from German reviews of "Lightbulb Sun" on the front. > > > > The additional CD tracks are : > > 1. Buying New Soul - edit (taken from the forthcoming album "Recordings") > > 2. Pure Narcotic (from "Stupid Dream") > > 3. Tinto Brass - live at Southampton (taken from the "Pure Narcotic" CD > > single) Now, I haven't got my own copy of _Lightbulb Sun_ yet but it sounds as if as long as I can get hold of a `Pure Narcotic' single which I think I still can, it sounds as if there's no reason to buy this version if I'm going to get _Recordings_. Which until I see a tracklist I'm not sure if I am, given I must have a lot of the stuff already. Grr. > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection of EP > > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid > > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. "Darker and more experimental", according to Steven Wilson. Well, if we're talking, what, `Ambulance Chasing', `Oceans have No Memory', `In Formaldehyde', `Disappear', `Novak', `A Cure for Optimism', `Untitled', this new `Buying New Soul' and two more, I'd have to concede that the description's right from what we've heard but it doesn't sound, well, very exciting, does it? Or am I just not anticipating it as a unit very well? Ah well, they've turned out an awful lot just lately, I can't argue with the quantity at least. Just some thoughts, anyway, yours, Jon ObCD: New York Gong - _About Time_ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 28 11:33:19 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:33:19 -0000 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: but won't those who recorded it directly off Sky Dgital have the best quality recordings? - wish I'd been around to do it. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Appelt" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Total Rock Radio > Hi there, > > that was a funny event. Long wires to the telephone line, another long > wires from the computer to the tape-deck, some packages of chips, somme > bottles of beer, the flickerig lights of the new Media Player on two > screens and totally loud 40 minutes of Hawkwind music. > > Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I > am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice > from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good > appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. > > But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying through > the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. > > Again a superb demonstration of Ron's vocals on Spirit of the age. He's the > only one that can transform Calvert's spirit into new life. > > So it was good fun between at last empty bottles, epty packages but a full > tape of good music. > > > Thanks to TotalRock Radio and to the Streaming Audio Technology. > > Chris From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sun Jan 28 15:20:11 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:20:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: The annotations for the lyrics... now updated to include credit to Percy Shelley for "Magnu"... http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html -- Andy www.andygilham.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Jan 28 15:51:53 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:51:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates Message-ID: I may be wrong, but the "darker and experimental" refers to the new album that they are starting to record now. Also they will be releasing other stuff to the fans on a mail order label. Also, new No-Man and new IEM are being released soon. Chris Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Andreas Stuewe wrote: > > > > May 11 UK London Shepherds Bush Empire > > I'll be at that one. Might bring some people too. > > > > Support on all the UK shows will be Rothko, except London, where it will > > > be Anathema and Rothko. Support at the Swedish show will be Opeth. > > > The London show is also being recorded for a live album. There is likely > > > to be some other dates added in the USA. > > What, Anathema the death-Floyd band? Blimey. That'll be an > interesting bill and no mistake. And I shall be on the recording > :-) You'll know me, I'll be the one shouting for `Burning Sky' :-) > > > > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on > > > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to serve > > > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This > > > bonus CD will contain three tracks, all of them available on other KScope > > > releases, plus an enhanced element containing the video for Piano > > > Lessons, a full discography and an image gallery. The only change to the > > > packaging for the album will be the addition of a slipcase (cold instead > > > of hot) with credits for the additional CD printed on the back and a > > > sticker with quotes from German reviews of "Lightbulb Sun" on the front. > > > > > > The additional CD tracks are : > > > 1. Buying New Soul - edit (taken from the forthcoming album "Recordings") > > > 2. Pure Narcotic (from "Stupid Dream") > > > 3. Tinto Brass - live at Southampton (taken from the "Pure Narcotic" CD > > > single) > > Now, I haven't got my own copy of _Lightbulb Sun_ yet but it > sounds as if as long as I can get hold of a `Pure Narcotic' single which I > think I still can, it sounds as if there's no reason to buy this version > if I'm going to get _Recordings_. Which until I see a tracklist I'm not > sure if I am, given I must have a lot of the stuff already. Grr. > > > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection of EP > > > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid > > > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. > > "Darker and more experimental", according to Steven Wilson. Well, > if we're talking, what, `Ambulance Chasing', `Oceans have No Memory', `In > Formaldehyde', `Disappear', `Novak', `A Cure for Optimism', `Untitled', > this new `Buying New Soul' and two more, I'd have to concede that the > description's right from what we've heard but it doesn't sound, well, very > exciting, does it? Or am I just not anticipating it as a unit very > well? Ah well, they've turned out an awful lot just lately, I can't argue > with the quantity at least. Just some thoughts, anyway, yours, > Jon > > ObCD: New York Gong - _About Time_ From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 16:01:54 2001 From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:01:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Andy Gilham writes >The annotations for the lyrics... now updated to include credit to Percy >Shelley for "Magnu"... > >http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html Fascinating stuff, a lot of which I wasn't aware of, but I was a bit surprised at one you haven't got. 'The Iron Dream', which usually comes at the end of Uncle Sam's on Mars live, is a reworking of the first few bars of the Mars Overture from Holst's Planets Suite. -- David Blair From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 16:07:01 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:07:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >The annotations for the lyrics... now updated to include credit to Percy >Shelley for "Magnu"... > >http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html Fascinating! Rarely have I learnt so much in such a short space of time. Some nice pics of Marrakech too. -- Nick Medford From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET Sun Jan 28 16:11:40 2001 From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:11:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree Message-ID: Hello, I believe I have a cd copy of the totalrock songs coming. The copy is from the satelite feed, and should be the best possible source available. Soon as I have it I'll post about sending out a seed disc for people to copy. At that point people can contact me. dan From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Jan 28 16:27:06 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:27:06 -0000 Subject: Fw: 25 years on Message-ID: Theres been alot of talk recently about the original vinyl release of "25 years on", i have it on cd. I know its rare i just wondered how much its worth? I still have the original price sticker on it from our price readin ?8.99!! colm From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Jan 28 16:27:49 2001 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:27:49 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree Message-ID: hooray!!!! :-) colm ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` NP: ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan Witt >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Date: 28 January 2001 21:10 >Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree > > >>Hello, >> >>I believe I have a cd copy of the totalrock songs coming. The copy is from >>the satelite feed, and should be the best possible source available. Soon >>as I have it I'll post about sending out a seed disc for people to copy. >At >>that point people can contact me. >> >>dan >> > From bedroom at TRANCER28.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 16:21:23 2001 From: bedroom at TRANCER28.FSNET.CO.UK (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:21:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree Message-ID: hooray!!!! :-) colm ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` ICQ: 62753543 ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` NP: ????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,????`????,??,??? ?`????,??,????` -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 28 January 2001 21:10 Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree >Hello, > >I believe I have a cd copy of the totalrock songs coming. The copy is from >the satelite feed, and should be the best possible source available. Soon >as I have it I'll post about sending out a seed disc for people to copy. At >that point people can contact me. > >dan > From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sun Jan 28 16:34:28 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:34:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It does now! ;) -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tigger > Sent: 28 January 2001 21:02 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Song refs > > > In article , Andy > Gilham writes > >The annotations for the lyrics... now updated to include credit to Percy > >Shelley for "Magnu"... > > > >http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html > > Fascinating stuff, a lot of which I wasn't aware of, but I was a bit > surprised at one you haven't got. 'The Iron Dream', which usually comes > at the end of Uncle Sam's on Mars live, is a reworking of the first few > bars of the Mars Overture from Holst's Planets Suite. > > -- > David Blair > > From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Sun Jan 28 16:35:51 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:35:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Fascinating! Rarely have I learnt so much in such a short space of time. Well, it was a real group effort a couple of years ago! Any additions welcome of course. > Some nice pics of Marrakech too. Cheers! -- Andy www.andygilham.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Jan 28 16:34:15 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:34:15 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... Message-ID: Dunno, but I'd be interested to read it. Negative criticism is good for ego balancing and reminding us we're not immortal. Perhaps I should send him a copy. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... > Dunno what prompted Jon to do this - maybe I missed something - but it does > throw up a few points that I'd like to answer - can't wait to see what he > says about the Starfield album - wonder if he'll feel the same about an > album done by a guy who actually plays in Hawkwind!!! > For those interested, read on, otherwise the rest of you move on to your > next e.mail.. > Andy Garibaldi (the guy who runs Dead Earnest on which label the Krel album > is released) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Jarrett" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:07 AM > Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... > > > Dear All, > and here is a review of Krel's _Ad Astra_. I > particularly enjoyed the spot-the-HW-riff bit and recommend that everyone > gets a copy to play this game themselves :-) > REPLY>>>>Tad cynical but at least you're recommending it so thanks for that. > ------------------------ > "Krel are one of the few remaining British space-rock groups. Or > they were. They started in the early eighties I believe, shedding various > people who went on to form Spacehead, PXR1 and Cellular Structure and some > time two or three years ago finally went pling leaving one Martin M with the > name. He is now Krel. And though they were apparently very highly thought of > on the scene in the early nineties, only now (well, 1999) has > anything more album-like than limited edition cassettes emerged. And since > it's all Martin's work I wonder how much it's like proper Krel. But anyway. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>No such thing as 'proper Krel' - the early albums will all > be released onto CD, so you can hear the old Krel for yourself and no doubt > compare it to the new Krel, and soon we may have the debut CD from > CyberKrel - it's all an ongoing process. > ---------------------- > "This album is a very good example of a phenomenon that really > irritates me in the British underground. By which I mean that its a very > good album within that phenomenon. That phenomenon is the inability of > British space-rock to do anything more than rip off, imitate and generally > fail to get over Hawkwind. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>There is no attempt to 'rip-off' Hawkwind on this album, > musically, but when you're a musician into Hawkwind and space-rock who is > very heavily influenced by them, what do you expect - Yes samples!!! The > accusation of imitation may irritate you but I have always said that if > something is worthwhile musically, even if it sounds like someone else, it > is still worthwhile musically and you simply can't argue with that. This > album is a worthwhile and highly enjoyable musical statement and you can't > say fairer than that. > -------------------------- > Now, Hawkwind are a lgend, and though they do turn out some crap they are > capable of complete transcendence and no-one else does it the same way. But > Krel and Spacehead particularly seem to be unable to get further than > recycling those riffs and putting new lyrics on > the old themes (Hawkwind haven't dedicatedly sung about space since the > early seventies) > REPLY>>>>>>>>Hang on a minute - Hawkwind can go from crap to transcendence > and that's OK, but every other band has to be transcedent AND original all > the time - not fair, that one - and Hawkwind still sing about space live in > concert, even if not on CD, although I'll bet that's arguable. > ---------------------------- > . Now, this is a good album. The keyboards are very nice, the textures good, > the samples well-chosen and placed, and the playing of the other instruments > cant be complained about. Even the sleeve is nice although the fact that all > the information is inside the booklet annoys me > - it would be nice to check a track number without extracting it. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>yes - blame me for that. It was the first CD we released and > we made mistakes - I should have put more on the back but we loved that > photo treatment - incidentally, without using any special lenses, the cover > is South of France and the inside and booklet back are looking over the > delights of Newcastle-Under-Lyme, Staffordshire from a higher point in > Etruria, a mile or two away. > --------------------------- > I am often hyper-critical of the stuff that gets claimed as "better than > Hawkwind" or "reminiscent of Hawkwind at their best so I'll try and make > clear again before I launch into the diatribe that there are lots of good > points about this album and I do like it > REPLY>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the comments - not sure if I ever claimed it was > 'better than' (check that old promotion!!!) but compared to something like > 'Distant Horizons', this is sensational stuff - all a matter of opinion I > suppose, but I go back to my previous statement - this is a class album > regardless of who or what it sounds like. > ------------------------- > . The only musical argument I have with it per se is that Martin isnt a > great singer, and that he mixes his vocals too loud. This is a particular > problem on the second part of the first track, `Towers', which has a > deliberately arythmic vocal. So the riff just gets established (and its not > a brilliant riff, but it does) and you're just hooking onto it when the > words arrive and throw you off it. Once you know when they're coming in its > OK but on first listen that is not good. > REPLY>>>>>>>>Your taste, but what you are saying, in that it is an original > treatment of the style, while it may irritate you, goes against the > accusation of lack of originality. He's loud so you can hear the words - not > exxactly Shakespeare, but for us it all fits well together > -------------- > "The lyrics are not too bad. Spacehead have the wrst lyrics in the > world, the sort of junk spacerock set to Motorhead-like patterns that you > can generate for hours on end, rhyming `space' with `race' and so on. > REPLY>>>>errr......I don't release Spacehead for their mastery of the > English language - fair point but they freely admit a heavy Hawk influence > to the degree you say, but we like it and that is our only criteria for > releasing CD's. > -------------------- > This stuff is much better, the same pattern but unexpected words and things > that sound thoughtful. And though the early rock tracks have a bit too much > of the singalong bounce about them, > REPLY>>>>>ahh - commerciality - sometimes you can't do right for doing > wrong!!!! > --------------- > REPLY: I won't bore you with replies to the specific tracks, just to say > that it is nit-picking in the minutest detail to say that a part of a riff > sounds like something out of a Hawkwind song and then sort of damn it with > faint praise, especially on an album where this has simply not happened on a > conscious basis, if at all. > --------------------------- > "So, in conclusion, it's a good approach at doing Hawkwind classics in > nineties dressing, and if Hawkwind still put spacerock of this quality out > they would still be legendary. The fact that Krel too are drawing on > Hawkwind's past glories should not be allowed to detract from the fact that > they do it well. But so do Hawkwind. How many parrot acts do we need? And > when will someone do something new?" > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need? It's not a question of 'need' - if a space-rock > group does a great album, it's greeted with acclaim and people buy it - if > Hawkwind do a poor album, people still buy it - if Hawkwind did an album you > hated, you'd still buy it 'for the collection' - and something new? After 40 > years of the music industry in the 'modern era', there's very little 'new' > (in the sense that you've never heard anything like it before ) under the > sun - you could lay the ghost of many a Krautrock band of the seventies > against many of the USA space-rock bands in a similar manner!!) but there is > tons and tons of great music out there - always has been, always will be, > and hopefully we'll weigh in with a few along the way at Dead Earnest. > Andy Garibaldi (speaking for/as Krel/Dead Earnest) From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Sun Jan 28 16:45:59 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:45:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, >Well, it was a real group effort a couple of years ago! >Any additions welcome of course. BTW, if anyone's interested in some more facts about Hassan I Sabha or Roger Zelazny then you can find some stuff on my HP in the "words" section. This section will (hopefully) be expanded in the future; currently I'm writing on a short essay about Willy Reich's Orgonomy. (c)IAO D+R np: Pink Floyd, "Atom Heart Mother" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From coral at APORT.RU Sun Jan 28 17:50:22 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:50:22 +0300 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: > Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I > am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice > from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good Well, but it's better than Turner anyway... I like Moorcock's performance, it's his poem and he read it right not in a foolish way Turner did with his comic clown voice. Alissa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 28 18:14:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:14:53 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... Message-ID: nice idea - Jon - your move!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Captain Bl at ck" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: Re: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... > Dunno, but I'd be interested to read it. Negative criticism is good for ego > balancing and reminding us we're not immortal. Perhaps I should send him a > copy. > > Captain Bl at ck > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... > > > > Dunno what prompted Jon to do this - maybe I missed something - but it > does > > throw up a few points that I'd like to answer - can't wait to see what he > > says about the Starfield album - wonder if he'll feel the same about an > > album done by a guy who actually plays in Hawkwind!!! > > For those interested, read on, otherwise the rest of you move on to your > > next e.mail.. > > Andy Garibaldi (the guy who runs Dead Earnest on which label the Krel > album > > is released) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Jarrett" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:07 AM > > Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... > > > > > > Dear All, > > and here is a review of Krel's _Ad Astra_. I > > particularly enjoyed the spot-the-HW-riff bit and recommend that everyone > > gets a copy to play this game themselves :-) > > REPLY>>>>Tad cynical but at least you're recommending it so thanks for > that. > > ------------------------ > > "Krel are one of the few remaining British space-rock groups. Or > > they were. They started in the early eighties I believe, shedding various > > people who went on to form Spacehead, PXR1 and Cellular Structure and some > > time two or three years ago finally went pling leaving one Martin M with > the > > name. He is now Krel. And though they were apparently very highly thought > of > > on the scene in the early nineties, only now (well, 1999) has > > anything more album-like than limited edition cassettes emerged. And > since > > it's all Martin's work I wonder how much it's like proper Krel. But > anyway. > > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>No such thing as 'proper Krel' - the early albums will > all > > be released onto CD, so you can hear the old Krel for yourself and no > doubt > > compare it to the new Krel, and soon we may have the debut CD from > > CyberKrel - it's all an ongoing process. > > ---------------------- > > "This album is a very good example of a phenomenon that really > > irritates me in the British underground. By which I mean that its a very > > good album within that phenomenon. That phenomenon is the inability of > > British space-rock to do anything more than rip off, imitate and generally > > fail to get over Hawkwind. > > REPLY>>>>>>>>>There is no attempt to 'rip-off' Hawkwind on this album, > > musically, but when you're a musician into Hawkwind and space-rock who is > > very heavily influenced by them, what do you expect - Yes samples!!! The > > accusation of imitation may irritate you but I have always said that if > > something is worthwhile musically, even if it sounds like someone else, it > > is still worthwhile musically and you simply can't argue with that. This > > album is a worthwhile and highly enjoyable musical statement and you can't > > say fairer than that. > > -------------------------- > > Now, Hawkwind are a lgend, and though they do turn out some crap they are > > capable of complete transcendence and no-one else does it the same way. > But > > Krel and Spacehead particularly seem to be unable to get further than > > recycling those riffs and putting new lyrics on > > the old themes (Hawkwind haven't dedicatedly sung about space since the > > early seventies) > > REPLY>>>>>>>>Hang on a minute - Hawkwind can go from crap to transcendence > > and that's OK, but every other band has to be transcedent AND original all > > the time - not fair, that one - and Hawkwind still sing about space live > in > > concert, even if not on CD, although I'll bet that's arguable. > > ---------------------------- > > . Now, this is a good album. The keyboards are very nice, the textures > good, > > the samples well-chosen and placed, and the playing of the other > instruments > > cant be complained about. Even the sleeve is nice although the fact that > all > > the information is inside the booklet annoys me > > - it would be nice to check a track number without extracting it. > > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>yes - blame me for that. It was the first CD we released > and > > we made mistakes - I should have put more on the back but we loved that > > photo treatment - incidentally, without using any special lenses, the > cover > > is South of France and the inside and booklet back are looking over the > > delights of Newcastle-Under-Lyme, Staffordshire from a higher point in > > Etruria, a mile or two away. > > --------------------------- > > I am often hyper-critical of the stuff that gets claimed as "better than > > Hawkwind" or "reminiscent of Hawkwind at their best so I'll try and make > > clear again before I launch into the diatribe that there are lots of good > > points about this album and I do like it > > REPLY>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the comments - not sure if I ever claimed it was > > 'better than' (check that old promotion!!!) but compared to something like > > 'Distant Horizons', this is sensational stuff - all a matter of opinion I > > suppose, but I go back to my previous statement - this is a class album > > regardless of who or what it sounds like. > > ------------------------- > > . The only musical argument I have with it per se is that Martin isnt a > > great singer, and that he mixes his vocals too loud. This is a particular > > problem on the second part of the first track, `Towers', which has a > > deliberately arythmic vocal. So the riff just gets established (and its > not > > a brilliant riff, but it does) and you're just hooking onto it when the > > words arrive and throw you off it. Once you know when they're coming in > its > > OK but on first listen that is not good. > > REPLY>>>>>>>>Your taste, but what you are saying, in that it is an > original > > treatment of the style, while it may irritate you, goes against the > > accusation of lack of originality. He's loud so you can hear the words - > not > > exxactly Shakespeare, but for us it all fits well together > > -------------- > > "The lyrics are not too bad. Spacehead have the wrst lyrics in > the > > world, the sort of junk spacerock set to Motorhead-like patterns that you > > can generate for hours on end, rhyming `space' with `race' and so on. > > REPLY>>>>errr......I don't release Spacehead for their mastery of the > > English language - fair point but they freely admit a heavy Hawk influence > > to the degree you say, but we like it and that is our only criteria for > > releasing CD's. > > -------------------- > > This stuff is much better, the same pattern but unexpected words and > things > > that sound thoughtful. And though the early rock tracks have a bit too > much > > of the singalong bounce about them, > > REPLY>>>>>ahh - commerciality - sometimes you can't do right for doing > > wrong!!!! > > --------------- > > REPLY: I won't bore you with replies to the specific tracks, just to say > > that it is nit-picking in the minutest detail to say that a part of a riff > > sounds like something out of a Hawkwind song and then sort of damn it with > > faint praise, especially on an album where this has simply not happened on > a > > conscious basis, if at all. > > --------------------------- > > "So, in conclusion, it's a good approach at doing Hawkwind classics in > > nineties dressing, and if Hawkwind still put spacerock of this quality out > > they would still be legendary. The fact that Krel too are drawing on > > Hawkwind's past glories should not be allowed to detract from the fact > that > > they do it well. But so do Hawkwind. How many parrot acts do we need? And > > when will someone do something new?" > > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need? It's not a question of 'need' - if a space-rock > > group does a great album, it's greeted with acclaim and people buy it - if > > Hawkwind do a poor album, people still buy it - if Hawkwind did an album > you > > hated, you'd still buy it 'for the collection' - and something new? After > 40 > > years of the music industry in the 'modern era', there's very little 'new' > > (in the sense that you've never heard anything like it before ) under the > > sun - you could lay the ghost of many a Krautrock band of the seventies > > against many of the USA space-rock bands in a similar manner!!) but there > is > > tons and tons of great music out there - always has been, always will be, > > and hopefully we'll weigh in with a few along the way at Dead Earnest. > > Andy Garibaldi (speaking for/as Krel/Dead Earnest) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 18:03:03 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:03:03 +0000 Subject: Agents of BOC's fortunes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Andy Gilham wrote: > I still remember an interview circa 1980, when they said, of MIRRORS, they > were deliberately trying to produce their answer to Fleetwood Mac's > RUMOURS... I'm so glad that's not just my imagination. Because `Lonely Teardrops' really is a Fleetwood Mac song, isn't it? In every way except the actual, I mean. Mmm. If it wasn't for `The Vigil', well, I'd have more problems with that album than anything else BOC recorded. As it is _Club Ninja_ can retain its bottom ranking... Yours, Jon ObMusic: Das Ludicroix - `Time Wounds All Heels Pt. 1' -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jan 28 18:20:40 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:20:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates Message-ID: I suppose we mustn't forget that these days one can hardly blame the abnd for all this endless recycling of material -they've probably got the least say of the lot - and I'm not just referring to PT. I know at CDS and elsewhere, we supply demand and sell such things, but purely on a personal note, I get so annoyed at the unscrupulous way the companies treat the fans with 'best of' after 'best of'.....plus one previously unreleased track, etc,etc. Even the box sets can be jst as bad, example recent Little Feat, SRV and VDGG - at least in the form of 'Collectibles' we have a full album of Skynyrd stuff...and back to base it's Hawkwind who try and deliver the goods while those still capable of releasing licensed product do it endlessly and with glee. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Raymond" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates > I may be wrong, but the "darker and experimental" refers to the new > album that they are starting to record now. Also they will be releasing > other stuff to the fans on a mail order label. Also, new No-Man and new > IEM are being released soon. > Chris > > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Andreas Stuewe wrote: > > > > > > May 11 UK London Shepherds Bush Empire > > > > I'll be at that one. Might bring some people too. > > > > > > Support on all the UK shows will be Rothko, except London, where it will > > > > be Anathema and Rothko. Support at the Swedish show will be Opeth. > > > > The London show is also being recorded for a live album. There is likely > > > > to be some other dates added in the USA. > > > > What, Anathema the death-Floyd band? Blimey. That'll be an > > interesting bill and no mistake. And I shall be on the recording > > :-) You'll know me, I'll be the one shouting for `Burning Sky' :-) > > > > > > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on > > > > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to serve > > > > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This > > > > bonus CD will contain three tracks, all of them available on other KScope > > > > releases, plus an enhanced element containing the video for Piano > > > > Lessons, a full discography and an image gallery. The only change to the > > > > packaging for the album will be the addition of a slipcase (cold instead > > > > of hot) with credits for the additional CD printed on the back and a > > > > sticker with quotes from German reviews of "Lightbulb Sun" on the front. > > > > > > > > The additional CD tracks are : > > > > 1. Buying New Soul - edit (taken from the forthcoming album "Recordings") > > > > 2. Pure Narcotic (from "Stupid Dream") > > > > 3. Tinto Brass - live at Southampton (taken from the "Pure Narcotic" CD > > > > single) > > > > Now, I haven't got my own copy of _Lightbulb Sun_ yet but it > > sounds as if as long as I can get hold of a `Pure Narcotic' single which I > > think I still can, it sounds as if there's no reason to buy this version > > if I'm going to get _Recordings_. Which until I see a tracklist I'm not > > sure if I am, given I must have a lot of the stuff already. Grr. > > > > > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection of EP > > > > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid > > > > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. > > > > "Darker and more experimental", according to Steven Wilson. Well, > > if we're talking, what, `Ambulance Chasing', `Oceans have No Memory', `In > > Formaldehyde', `Disappear', `Novak', `A Cure for Optimism', `Untitled', > > this new `Buying New Soul' and two more, I'd have to concede that the > > description's right from what we've heard but it doesn't sound, well, very > > exciting, does it? Or am I just not anticipating it as a unit very > > well? Ah well, they've turned out an awful lot just lately, I can't argue > > with the quantity at least. Just some thoughts, anyway, yours, > > Jon > > > > ObCD: New York Gong - _About Time_ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 18:05:25 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:05:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon House interview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Nick Medford wrote: > When are Simon House's answers to the cyber-interview going to go up on > www.hawkwind.com? Unfortunately I missed the deadline for sending a > question, but I'm still very curious to see what this most enigmatic of Hawks > has to say for himself. From the sleeve of Anubian Lights's _The Eternal Sky_: "Simon House: electric violin, hiding" Says it all really. I remember when I read the _EpochEclipse_ booklet and they were quoting Sinon about the 50%KLF remix of `Silver Machine' and I was so amazed they'd got him to say anything it took me a day to wonder why they were asking someone who had nothing to with it... Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 18:23:41 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:23:41 +0000 Subject: Total Rock Radio In-Reply-To: <200101281146.GAA11517@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Chris Appelt wrote: > Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I > am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice > from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good > appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. > > But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying through > the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. I have to say, I thought he was excellent. Perhaps you had to be hearing it in a big space, but I thouht he managed to modulate himself much better than he does even on the NikWind _Past or Future_ performance. Yes, he did do the crying bit but he did every other kind of vocalisation as well and for once I felt he did manage to get the horror and the grandeur across. And the fizz from the phoneline actually made it eerier. I also liked the "Texas Calling" interpolations to `Sonic Attack' though so take that as a measure of my taste :-) > Again a superb demonstration of Ron's vocals on Spirit of the age. He's the > only one that can transform Calvert's spirit into new life. I also thought Ron was excellent. I'm beginning to twitch when I see him and Calvert crop up in the same sentence, but here you can hardly escape the comparison. And he did it entirely differently to how Calvert would have done, I think, which is exactly how I think Ron should work. I think he's much at his best when he's comfortable and being himself, not sharing front-of-stage or under pressure to be part of the Space Ritual. > So it was good fun between at last empty bottles, epty packages but a full > tape of good music. I'm still convinced we'll be seeing a CD release of this. It's too good not to and the sound quality is clearly top. I would even guess this is why some tracks weren't played, so as to leave something in the can, though I guess it might also be that there wasn't enough time scheduled. I live in hope anyway, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 18:25:56 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:25:56 +0000 Subject: Woronzow News (fwd) Message-ID: Dear All, I realise a lot of people have already got this, but the whisper of good news about Adrian Shaw I thought was worth propagating. Also, I have to say: Scorched Earth albvum! Tony Hill album! Yes yes yes yes! And that I intend to try and make the Arthur Brown gig if I can. Evening all, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:36:00 -0000 From: Woronzow Records To: "'100644.2542 at compuserve.com'" <100644.2542 at compuserve.com> Subject: Woronzow News Hi. Nick Saloman here hoping you had a great Christmas and an equally invigorating New Year. Things here at Woronzow Towers are grinding away more or less as usual. You may have that Ade is unwell. It's true, he'll be out of circulation for a few months, but the good news is that he'll be out of circulation for a few months. Nah, only joshing, his treatment seems to be doing the trick, so that's good. Hopefully he'll be up and running by the Summer. In the meantime, we'll still be issuing new albums, but the The Bevis Frond live experience will have to be put on the backburner for a while. So I'll be doing a few acoustic shows with Paul Simmons of The Alchemysts. A small tour of The USA is being arranged, and one London gig has already been confirmed. This is at THE 12 BAR CLUB on FRIDAY, MARCH 23rd. Support will be provided by the superb Mick Crossley and also our very talented mate from Sacramento, Anton Barbeau. The 12 Bar is really small with a capacity of about 100, so book your tickets early to avoid disappointment (that's my disappointment). Contact The 12 Bar Club, Denmark Place, WC2 (it's just off Tottenham Court Road, near the tube station). Tel; 0207 916 6989 for information and advance booking, all credit cards accepted. There are also a couple of other gigs that should be well worth attending. The wondrous Lucky Bishops are supporting The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown at The Standard, Walthamstow on Thursday, February 22nd. Sounds like a great night in prospect. Two weeks later at the same venue (Thursday, March 8th), The Alchemysts will be supporting Creamed, apparently England's only Cream tribute band, who feature guitarist Ray Minhinnet and some ex-members of Savoy Brown. Both these shows begin at 8pm, and are a mere ?6 to get in to. Our next two releases will be a fabulous new album from Mick Crossley's Flyte Reaction, and a debut release from over-the-top blooze rock guitar demons Scorched Earth. For those of you unfamiliar with Mick Crossley's work, it's an absolutely irresistible combination of great melodic pop and frenzied psych. Mick is an excellent singer and guitarist, and not a bad keyboardist to boot. On 'Sensilla' he's joined by Dick Field on bass, and Simon Das Gupta and Keith Chenery on drums. Scorched Earth's thunderous 'Fed To Your Head' is a one-off outing for this mysterious power trio. Hugely influenced by late 60s heavy rock, and not a little Monster Magnet type sturm und drang, you get an album of the loudest, rockingest, most in-yer-face guitar stupidity you're ever likely to hear. Riffs, wah-wah, feedback... you cower from it, it's got it! Also in the pipeline, the long-awaited Tony Hill album is slowly coming to (as Glenn Hoddle once said) frutation. There's a new Rod Goodway outing planned, a second Lucky Bishops album - what I've heard of it so far is amazing, and almost ready, a set from Canadian Blue Cheerophiles, Gadsby & Skol. Stunning stuff. We'll be in touch as soon as any of these are imminent. So, keep well, and hopefully we'll see you at one (or all) of the gigs. All the best, Nick. Woronzow website - www.woronzow.co.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 19:05:08 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:05:08 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: while I'm at it... In-Reply-To: <011101c0893a$83031660$679cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Dunno what prompted Jon to do this - maybe I missed something - but it does > throw up a few points that I'd like to answer - can't wait to see what he > says about the Starfield album - wonder if he'll feel the same about an > album done by a guy who actually plays in Hawkwind!!! Hi Andy, sorry if I've touched a nerve. The review was written for a BBS I frequent, but I thought it was too long and HW-obsessive for there. I thought it might be of interest on here though... The Starfield album is on my list to get so don't go depriving yourself of money sending me one gratis! It's not like I'm an actual critic or anything! What appraisals I've seen of the album compared it to _Electric Tepee_ and I'm sure I'll get on with that. I should just say in self-defence though that your review of it for the CDS catalogue makes explicit track-to-track comparisons between parts of _Return to Earth_ and Hawkwind tracks so it's not as if I'm the first to use this critique! Anyway, to pick up your points, if I can manage to do so without dropping into a flame-war (did I say I liked the album? I did try to. I play it quite a bit), let's get into the depths... > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>No such thing as 'proper Krel' - the early albums will all > be released onto CD, so you can hear the old Krel for yourself and no doubt > compare it to the new Krel, and soon we may have the debut CD from > CyberKrel - it's all an ongoing process. Yes, I'm awaiting the early stuff eagerly. I feel the new album might strike me as more "Krel" if there were context I could compare it with. Not that it's Martin's responsibility to bother about how I want to hear the album obviously, I'm just treating it as an artwork per se. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>There is no attempt to 'rip-off' Hawkwind on this album, > musically, but when you're a musician into Hawkwind and space-rock who is > very heavily influenced by them, what do you expect - Yes samples!!! The > accusation of imitation may irritate you but I have always said that if > something is worthwhile musically, even if it sounds like someone else, it > is still worthwhile musically and you simply can't argue with that. This > album is a worthwhile and highly enjoyable musical statement and you can't > say fairer than that. Yes, it hits all the right buttons, I just like people that find new buttons. I mean, DarXtar, Farflung, ST37, many others I'm sure, all massive Hawkwind fans but they go their own way with the influence. I feel that _Ad Astra_ is going places that have been gone before. Which isn't to say it's not a good trip, it's just that... well, I've said it already. > -------------------------- > Now, Hawkwind are a lgend, and though they do turn out some crap they are > capable of complete transcendence and no-one else does it the same way. But > Krel and Spacehead particularly seem to be unable to get further than > recycling those riffs and putting new lyrics on > the old themes (Hawkwind haven't dedicatedly sung about space since the > early seventies) > REPLY>>>>>>>>Hang on a minute - Hawkwind can go from crap to transcendence > and that's OK, but every other band has to be transcedent AND original all > the time - not fair, that one - and Hawkwind still sing about space live in > concert, even if not on CD, although I'll bet that's arguable. No no, that's not what I meant. I don't *want* Hawkwind to be crap, obviously, but they do do it occasionally. I'm not asking everyone else to be transcendent either, I'm just saying I found that the amount of _Ad Astra_ I could hear Hawkwind references in left me unconvinced that they had anything of their own to say. Now Krel's lyrics as I say I didn't mind too much - `Towers' particularly I thought was very interesting lyrically though I did have problems with it musically as I went on to say. I stand by the statement that Spacehead's lyrics are awful. I can and have written stuff as good as theirs myself, verse after verse after verse of it, whilst working a a quiet bar, and it's unimaginative and derivative mulch. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>yes - blame me for that. It was the first CD we released and > we made mistakes - I should have put more on the back but we loved that > photo treatment - incidentally, without using any special lenses, the cover > is South of France and the inside and booklet back are looking over the > delights of Newcastle-Under-Lyme, Staffordshire from a higher point in > Etruria, a mile or two away. The photos are very nice. I should have given that some space, sorry. > --------------------------- > I am often hyper-critical of the stuff that gets claimed as "better than > Hawkwind" or "reminiscent of Hawkwind at their best so I'll try and make > clear again before I launch into the diatribe that there are lots of good > points about this album and I do like it > REPLY>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the comments - not sure if I ever claimed it was > 'better than' (check that old promotion!!!) but compared to something like > 'Distant Horizons', this is sensational stuff - all a matter of opinion I > suppose, but I go back to my previous statement - this is a class album > regardless of who or what it sounds like. No, you didn't, but Ken Ingham at the Freak Emporium did. Well, "Almost better than Hawkwind!!" he says. And he is of course trying to sell it so fine, that way you get the Hawkwind fans buying. I find the comparison's unfair though - if I was going to build an album out of stuff taken from a band's whole career I'd probably get a better standard than most of their individual albums too. If I had the ability of course which I don't. I actually do like DH a lot, but I agree _Ad Astra_'s better. > ------------------------- > . The only musical argument I have with it per se is that Martin isnt a > great singer, and that he mixes his vocals too loud. This is a particular > problem on the second part of the first track, `Towers', which has a > deliberately arythmic vocal. So the riff just gets established (and its not > a brilliant riff, but it does) and you're just hooking onto it when the > words arrive and throw you off it. Once you know when they're coming in its > OK but on first listen that is not good. > REPLY>>>>>>>>Your taste, but what you are saying, in that it is an original > treatment of the style, while it may irritate you, goes against the > accusation of lack of originality. He's loud so you can hear the words - not > exactly Shakespeare, but for us it all fits well together No, fine, it's my taste but that's all I can use isn't it :-) I do as I said in the track breakdown think `Towers' escapes the recycling accusation but I also don't think it's anything like the best piece on the disc. > REPLY>>>>errr......I don't release Spacehead for their mastery of the > English language - fair point but they freely admit a heavy Hawk influence > to the degree you say, but we like it and that is our only criteria for > releasing CD's. One thing I do admire about Spacehead is that they also blend in Black Sabbath into the songs' structures, and I think that should be done more. They should be heavier! And tuned down! And slower! And use more effects! And so on... Though I thought the Astoria performance was poor, I do quite like _"... Of Stars and Time"_ and if only it didn't sound as if it had been recorded in a jacuzzi it would be a good hark back to the Space Ritual kind of ambience with new songs (apart from the one that's blatantly `Sabbath Bloody Sabbath', but who's counting? Oh, me, sorry). I mean to get round to getting _In Space We Trust_ so I can see whether that stuff fared better. > -------------------- > This stuff is much better, the same pattern but unexpected words and things > that sound thoughtful. And though the early rock tracks have a bit too much > of the singalong bounce about them, > REPLY>>>>>ahh - commerciality - sometimes you can't do right for doing > wrong!!!! Oh purlease - surely you're not aiming for commercial success with spacerock! (Joke.) No, I didn't mind that much, it just isn't quite my thing, once again. > --------------- > REPLY: I won't bore you with replies to the specific tracks, just to say > that it is nit-picking in the minutest detail to say that a part of a riff > sounds like something out of a Hawkwind song and then sort of damn it with > faint praise, especially on an album where this has simply not happened on a > conscious basis, if at all. As I say above, I'm not the first person to do this. And if you're going to maintain a Hawkwind fan can unconsciously use the line "Standing on the edge of the spirit of the age" without noticing it's a Hawkwind reference than I shall have to refuse to believe you. And I'm not saying they "sound like something out of a Hawkwind song", I'm saying they are the same riffs. > REPLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need? It's not a question of 'need' - if a space-rock > group does a great album, it's greeted with acclaim and people buy it - if > Hawkwind do a poor album, people still buy it - if Hawkwind did an album you > hated, you'd still buy it 'for the collection' - and something new? After 40 > years of the music industry in the 'modern era', there's very little 'new' > (in the sense that you've never heard anything like it before ) under the > sun - you could lay the ghost of many a Krautrock band of the seventies > against many of the USA space-rock bands in a similar manner!!) but there is > tons and tons of great music out there - always has been, always will be, > and hopefully we'll weigh in with a few along the way at Dead Earnest. I can't disagree with any of that, so I won't, but I don't think it invalidates my points. It may well be that as you say the points are insignificant and I'm happy to let them drop, I just don't agree that they're wrong. I hope I've not been uncivil in standing by them for that reason. Yours, Jon ObCD: Farflung - _25,000 Feet per Second_ (which also I grant you sounds like Hawkwind but I don't recognise the riffs) -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jan 28 19:31:23 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:31:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates In-Reply-To: <3A748669.ACC87AD4@tiac.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Chris Raymond wrote: > I may be wrong, but the "darker and experimental" refers to the new > album that they are starting to record now. Also they will be releasing > other stuff to the fans on a mail order label. Also, new No-Man and new > IEM are being released soon. Oh, are they recording now as well? Excellent! I withdraw my reservations then. Good lord they're working hard these days aren't they? I knew about the new IEM and this is a very good thing though I want to know if it will have `Escalator to Christmas' on it before I break down and buy that on 12". Yours, Jon From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 20:25:19 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:25:19 +0000 Subject: Total Rock Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes >On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Chris Appelt wrote: > >> Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. I >> am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice >> from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good >> appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. >> >> But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying through >> the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. > > I have to say, I thought he was excellent. Perhaps you had to be >hearing it in a big space, but I thouht he managed to modulate himself >much better than he does even on the NikWind _Past or Future_ >performance. Yes, he did do the crying bit but he did every other kind of >vocalisation as well and for once I felt he did manage to get the horror >and the grandeur across. Seconded. Never really cared for Moorcock's voice before, but his contributions at the Astoria were outstanding. In fact I thought 'Sonic Attack' was the highlight of the gig (high praise indeed considering the overall standard). Maybe it doesn't sound so great on the recording, but it was electrifying on the night. -- Nick Medford From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jan 28 21:11:11 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:41:11 +1030 Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree Message-ID: groovy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:41 AM Subject: HW: Totalrock broadcast tree > Hello, > > I believe I have a cd copy of the totalrock songs coming. The copy is from > the satelite feed, and should be the best possible source available. Soon > as I have it I'll post about sending out a seed disc for people to copy. At > that point people can contact me. > > dan From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 28 21:52:16 2001 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:52:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: B&P OFFER Warren Haynes 12/6/00 Message-ID: Hey Now! On 12/6/00 several bands performed at Irving Plaza in New York City. The event commemorated the release of Danny Cinch'e new book "When The Iron Bird Flies", a photo chronicle of the Tibetan Freedom Concerts form '96-'99. The event was also a benefit for the Milarepa Fund, a nonprofit organization co-founded by Adam Yauch of The Beastie Boys. Most of the pics in the book are of Page McConnell, Warren Haynes and Mickey Raphael. This trio performed a short, but very sweet set in front of no more than 200 lucky people. Back at the Chicken Shack/Further On Up The Road I've Been Loving You Too Long Who's Been Talkin' She Said She Said One (by U2) Little Wing I have this set on ONE disc. It is from an unknown DAT AUDIENCE source. AWESOME SOUND! I will B&P it for anyone that responds. Save this post for the setlist. Just one other note, there are a few minutes of audience chatter at the beginning of the disc before the music starts. It was not edited off prior to DAT>disc. I am passing it along just as I got it. Peace, Darrin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From CultJacket at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 03:22:39 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:22:39 -0500 Subject: BOC Set List from Oregon Message-ID: Courtesy of Judy (the quicklimegirl) 1-26-01 Setlists, in order: Coos Bay Oregon Marshall High School 1. ETI (what a way to open!) 2. Dance on Stilts - upcoming album YEAH! 3. Cities 4. Burnin' 5. Harvester of Eyes 6. Buck's Boogie 7. Joan Crawford 8.I Just Like to be Bad new album - 9. LDOM Smmmmmokin'!!!!! 10. 'Zilla 11. Intro/Reaper Encores: 12 Dominance & Submission 13 Red & Black Klamath Falls, Oregon 1-27-01 Show #1 7:00pm 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. Before the kiss, a redcap 3. Subhuman 4. Cities 5. Burnin' 6. Now is the time the old Gods return 7. ETI 8. LDOM - Allen takin' the lead for awhile! 9. 'Zilla 10. Intro/Reaper Encore: 11. ME-262 It was a short set due to the two-set night. 2nd show:9:00 pm 1. ETI 2. Dance on Stilts 3. Buck's Boogie 4. Unknown Tongue (!!!) 5. Cities 6. Burnin' 7. Harvester of Eyes 8. Teen Archer 9. Joan Crawford 10. Astronomy 11. 'Zilla 12. Intro/Reaper Encore: Dominance & Submission From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Mon Jan 29 04:21:13 2001 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:21:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: Good work on the origins of songs! Two remarks so far : Robot's laws are not from Asimov, but someone (I will try to remember who he was) who 'gave' the idea to Asimov. Concerning Hassan Ibn Sabbah, the best reference I know is in Samarkand's book by Amin Maalouf, a very interesting romanced version of Omar Khayam's life (http://www-mit.mit.edu/lebanon/www/Literature/maalouf.html) At 20:20 28/01/2001 +0000, you wrote: >The annotations for the lyrics... now updated to include credit to Percy >Shelley for "Magnu"... > >http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html > >-- Andy > >www.andygilham.com Olivier Boigey bwaje.com Hawkzone The stars are matter, we are matter, but it doesn't matter - Don Van Vliet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:46:25 EDT Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20010126235053.0068e174@acmenet.net> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 01, at 23:50, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > I didn't believe Edgar Winter was still > >in the business either, I saw Edgar last summer--playing before BOC, no less! In fact, because EW played so long, it wound up making BOC play a short set. Don't know who the guy is, but EW's guitar player was smokin... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 29 06:36:29 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:36:29 EDT Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27 Jan 01, at 13:48, Andy Gilham wrote: > At the Freddie benefit gig, though, I did get the impression that > several of the guest singers thought they were audtioning as his > replacement (esp. Nuno Bettancourt [sp?] from Extreme). > Nuno was Extreme's guit. plyr, the singer was, I think, named Gary Cherone, notable for single-handedly putting Van Halen out of business! Guess Queen should be smart enough not to give him a second look! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 29 06:32:26 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:32:26 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) In-Reply-To: <016801c088c1$50c7a220$679abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 28 Jan 01, at 0:05, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: ZZ Top and the Stones had a sense of humour, another thing > I've not exactly noted BOC for possessing, musically at least - too > darned serious. Yet on RBN, there was a very funny number--Shadow of California! I think that the humorous stuff BOC did often flew over the heads of too many people. And, when a band plays a lot of loud, heavy stuff, esp. live, there is a perception that they're another humorless heavy band... theo From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Jan 29 08:54:05 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:54:05 -0000 Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <200101291236.HAA05580@syr.edu> Message-ID: That's the bloke! Grandstander... -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Ted Jackson jr. > Sent: 29 January 2001 11:36 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF; Time to Move to Utah > > > On 27 Jan 01, at 13:48, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > At the Freddie benefit gig, though, I did get the impression that > > several of the guest singers thought they were audtioning as his > > replacement (esp. Nuno Bettancourt [sp?] from Extreme). > > > Nuno was Extreme's guit. plyr, the singer was, I think, named Gary > Cherone, notable for single-handedly putting Van Halen out of > business! Guess Queen should be smart enough not to give him a > second look! > > theo > > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 29 09:03:25 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:03:25 -0500 Subject: BOC New Album and Past Popularity Message-ID: > Yet other 'old' bands like the [ugh] Stones and ZZ Top continue to > thrive. True the Stones are an institution, for want of a better > term, > and ZZ Top had the good sense to tap into MTV and exploit it for their > benefit. I really think BOC's problem lies in its management [can I > get an amen!] and the fact that they never escaped the doldrums > they entered when Al left, taking a lot of fertile songwriting sense > with > him. The creative void that opened ca. Club Ninja has somehow > paralyzed the group. Or maybe their audience just changed tastes > and moved on to something else? A few opinions from me on this: 1. The Stones and ZZ Top at their peaks, were bigger, I believe, from a record selling perspective than BOC ever was. ZZ Top also benefitted from MTV whereas BOC never did. 2. BOC's management is no doubt a problem. Easy for me to criticize, but I definitely think they should have done some things differently. Would it have made a difference? I don't know, but it probably couldn't have hurt. 3. While it is no doubt popular here to think that it all went downhill for BOC after Al left, and as much as I respect Al and his contributions to BOC and tBS, I think that is too easy. A more careful look will show that by the time Al left, BOC was in decline (starting with at least *Mirrors* - and *Cultosaurus Erectus* sold even worse, despite it's reture to the harder-edged BOC) despite "Burnin' For You" (a song that was supposed to be on *Flat Out*, and not even on a BOC album) giving the band a temporary lift. When I say "decline", I'm really talking about album sales. I think BOC was still a big live act. 4. I think that a few factors led to the group's continued decline after Al left. Certainly a void in the song-writing department was created, but I think that the band had enough old material that could have been revived to have stemmed this more than they did. I think the band doubted their own abilities in this area somewhat, relying on outside writers, esp. for *Club Ninja*. Releasing another live album in '82 (*ETL*) really didn't help things (a good album in many ways, badly put together in others, and somewhat unnecessary in the grand scheme of things), and not having a new release until '84 (*Revolution By Night*) slowed the band's output to potential fans. Meanwhile, the MTV generation was in full swing. At a time that BOC needed exposure, they were doing less than in years previous. Also, and I recall the band discussing this, there was a changing of the guard over at CBS Records, and the new executives were not of the mind to promote a band they say as old news. The fact that many BOC fans were turned of by the contents of *Club Ninja*, and then the departure of Joe (with Allen already gone, but that would be temporary) certainly only made matters worse. > > My sense is that BOC were indeed pretty huge "back in the day", at > > least as huge as Sabbath were at the time, if not more so. I could > be > > wrong -- I wasn't really there ;) > > BOC was indeed huge, esp here in the northeast. I saw them > headline at football stadiums, racetracks--giant festivals, and they > truly ruled the world at that time, from, say, 1976 to oh, 1980 or so. > It is truly surprising how fast they fell off the radar... See my above comments. Despite the fact that they were big live, and had a loyal, if not somewhat rabid fanbase, BOC was not, compared to other bands, "huge". I don't have numbers, but I do not believe that their album sales were on par with the big bands of the 70s and 80s. They had few hit singles, and most of those were songs that were somewhat unrepresentative of the band's overall sound and image. > But I think a big problem is that > > it became trendy to like Sabbath once more, and it has not become > > trendy to like BOC. > > YES!!! You've hit it on the head!! Hmm... well, also recall that Sabbath were always regarded as "pioneers" of heavy metal (along with Deep Purple and Led Zepplin). In the U.S., BOC were up there a bit, but quickly got eclipsed (again, in terms of album sales) by bands such as KISS, and later Van Halen. As far as I know, BOC was hardly ever really a "household name" such as other bands may have been. They were sort of like the underground band that just happened to have millions of fans. > > Don't get me wrong, I love BOC. But I'm not going to cut them any > > slack, or curve their exam results ;) > > > As it should be. I thought HF was a good effort, and better than I > expected. But compared to the first 3 albums, it pales by comparison. I wouldn't be as harsh, but I would also think that you can't necessarily hold them to that standard - I mean, most people don't hold albums like *Agents of Fortune* to that standard, yet it was BOC's biggest seller, and the one that put them (at least temporarily) in the mainstream public eye. Other albums that came later certainly had killer stuff, but many of us will still look at those first 3 (*Secret Treaties* in particular) and say, "It's good, but it ain't ____". *Heaven Forbid* is somewhat uneven (at least in the sense that I don't think the songs all necessarily fit together), but it has some great stuff, and will always hold a special place for me since it was such a long time coming. > To reclaim their mantle, BOC have to really make a knockout record. If only it were that easy. And if it were, most of us here might say that The Brain Surgeons should be selling out stadiums. If any of my previous comments sound harsh, they are not meant to be. I like the band as much as I ever have, but over time I guess have learned to accept certain realities. > > Or, were they trying to shift gears? But for what purpose? Did the > band think their fortunes lay in the high-school jock crowd? Never > the BOC province. Or, given the absence of Albert's songwriting, > were they simply desperate, and latched onto the first thing coming > across the desk? I find it interesting that, at about the same time, > Halligan was also supplying songs for Judas Priest, another > Columbia act, albeit with different results for JP. Maybe someone at > the label was applying heat to use Halligan? > > I suppose it's in the FAQ! Nope, I can't say it is. > I would be nice if they would put Wings of Mercury on the new album. Al will be their drummer again before this happens... ;-) Enough ramblings for now... John From mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE Mon Jan 29 08:55:54 2001 From: mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE (Chris Appelt) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:55:54 -0500 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: Yes, you may be right. But listen to New World's Fair and find out what a great variety of voice Moorcock can perform. And those crying voice which he produces in the context of most Hawkwind shows is simply poor. From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Mon Jan 29 09:10:04 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:10:04 +1300 Subject: from Richard at Cranium Music In-Reply-To: <200101291355.IAA17194@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Excuse the intrusion but if your looking for those goodies at a cheap price at present then we have a Sale happening at Cranium. 15% off all titles plus free airmail postage anywhere in the world. Time to kick start the millennium with some trippy new sounds so follow either of the two URL's below. Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz http://www.cranium-music.com From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Jan 29 10:06:11 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:06:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: 'New' Dinosaur named for Dire Staits star Message-ID: http://www.msnbc.com/news/520910.asp?0na=23343H8&cp1=1 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 11:09:18 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:09:18 EST Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/01 8:38:31 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Nuno was Extreme's guit. plyr, the singer was, I think, named Gary Cherone, notable for single-handedly putting Van Halen out of >> ==== mastuh t: and mr gilham: i really dont care, but do regard Cherone in that manner? really? huh. "<>" From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Jan 29 10:37:50 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Jan 2001 - Special issue (#2001-32) Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > ZZ Top and the Stones had a sense of humour, another thing I've not exactly > noted BOC for possessing, musically at least - too darned serious. "Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave"??? "Godzilla"??? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 29 10:37:08 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:37:08 EDT Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <87.62b302b.27a6efae@aol.com> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 01, at 11:09, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 1/29/01 8:38:31 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU > writes: > > << Nuno was Extreme's guit. plyr, the singer was, I think, named Gary > Cherone, notable for single-handedly putting Van Halen out of > >> > ==== > mastuh t: > and mr gilham: > > i really dont care, but do regard Cherone in that manner? really? huh. > > "<>" Well, actually, I think EVH's born-again-new-agism probably did more to torpedo Van Halen than GC's singing, though the vox on VHIII were mercilessly hammered by most critics, almost as much as the navel-gazing songwriting! theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Jan 29 10:57:28 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:57:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Time to Move to Utah In-Reply-To: <200101291637.LAA00234@syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Well, actually, I think EVH's born-again-new-agism probably did > more to torpedo Van Halen than GC's singing, though the vox on > VHIII were mercilessly hammered by most critics, almost as much as > the navel-gazing songwriting! The two songs that Diamond Dave wrote during his brief rebirth with VH (before the band was done using him as a public relations tool and dropped him) were much, much better than anything on VH 3. When VH stopped being a party band with sleazy lyrics and unfettered guitar wanking (starting with the 1984 album, although I do hold a soft spot in my heart for 51/50) the band became creatively useless. Listen to Aerosmith's new single "Jaded" to see a hard rock band that can *really* play radio-friendly heavy pop. Though every bone in my body wants me to hate that song, I just can't seem to do it. Even when Aerosmith performed it with NSync during the Super Bowl halftime show.... Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 29 12:16:26 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:16:26 EDT Subject: OFF: VH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 14:38:57 2001 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:38:57 -0000 Subject: Total Rock Radio In-Reply-To: <002801c0897c$b30875c0$8845efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Good Evening Everybody I was lucky enough to get a good copy off Sky (I knew Murdoch was good for something) If anyone wants a CDR of it drop me a post off list and we could swap perhaps? Thanks Brian > From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 29 15:21:25 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:21:25 +0000 Subject: BOC New Album and Past Popularity In-Reply-To: <3A7575F2.FEFB542D@mitre.org> Message-ID: >> To reclaim their mantle, BOC have to really make a knockout record. > >If only it were that easy. And if it were, most of us here might say >that The Brain Surgeons should be selling out stadiums. BOC would have to make several knockout records before they could climb to the level of, say, Motorhead. And that's because they have the name to trade on. tBS are too old and untrendy to make a name, so they'll be cult status no matter brilliant an album they make. Rock and roll marketing is like that. You can use your past glories to good effect if you have them, but you have to have them! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Jan 29 15:25:09 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:25:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Song refs -- Hurry (on) Sundown In-Reply-To: ; from email@ANDYGILHAM.COM on Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 08:20:11PM -0000 Message-ID: In http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html, Andy Gilham wrote: > Hurry on Sundown - probable reference to John Wain's novel "Hurry on Down". Or to any of several "Hurry Sundown"s (with "on" presumably added to fit the tune's metre): - A book, by K.B. Gilden (which various web sites say is a pseudonym for "Bert with wife", but I can't find out "Bert who?"). Bibliographic record: http://www.mainland.cc.tx.us/library/resource/comcat/eng/r000028/r027865.htm The "Bert with wife" reference: http://www.ncteamericancollection.org/litmap/ri_authors_e-h.htm - A movie adaptation of the above, from 1967. Capsule summaries: http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/H/HU/10214_HURRY_SUNDOWN.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0061796 - A song by Peter Paul & Mary (1966). Lyrics: http://www.peterpaulandmary.com/music/07-06.htm But this looks like the winner: - Handy, W.C., Sundown Blues (Hurry Sundown And Let To-Morrow Come), 1923. This is a score preserved in the "William Grant Still and Verna Arvey Papers" collection at U. Arkansas, Fayattville. Its entry in the collection's catalogue: http://www.uark.edu/libinfo/speccoll/still/still4aid.html Dunno whether Dave ever heard this, but it seems a fair bet that: - it's where Bert and/or wife got the title for their book - the book directly or indirectly inspired the rest, including (at least the title of) HW's song Anyone here live near enough to Fayattville to dig this out of the library and post the lyrics? On a side note, this page contains a reference to PP&M's "Hurry Sundown" that's unintentionally most amusing under the circumstances... http://www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/bonny-music.html -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 15:41:54 2001 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:41:54 -0000 Subject: What a day ! Message-ID: Yes ! My crap day took a real turn for the good today. I walked into a record shop where I know the owner and picked up a copy of Live at the Bottom Line & the Victoria double LP for ?20, got three live tapes thrown in for nothing and hawkfans 7,8,9,10,24,25,26 and lots of news letters. Anyone want a copy of hawkfan 24,25,26? I'm happy to swap. Also I thought I'd let anyone interested know that I can get hold of one copy of each of the bootlegs. Stonehenge 83 & the Golden Void, as this guy can't sell them he has given them to me to sell, ?8 each inc. post. If anyone's interested email me privately. Cheers Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chuck From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 29 15:46:09 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:46:09 -0000 Subject: HW: Song refs -- Hurry (on) Sundown Message-ID: I always thought it was a reference to the Sundown which was a pub/bar/venue in London (I think)! --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Siegerman To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: Re: HW: Song refs -- Hurry (on) Sundown > In http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Hurry on Sundown - probable reference to John Wain's novel "Hurry on Down". > > Or to any of several "Hurry Sundown"s (with "on" presumably added > to fit the tune's metre): > - A book, by K.B. Gilden (which various web sites say is a > pseudonym for "Bert with wife", but I can't find out "Bert > who?"). Bibliographic record: > http://www.mainland.cc.tx.us/library/resource/comcat/eng/r000028/r027865.htm > The "Bert with wife" reference: > http://www.ncteamericancollection.org/litmap/ri_authors_e-h.htm > > - A movie adaptation of the above, from 1967. Capsule > summaries: > http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/H/HU/10214_HURRY_SUNDOWN.html > http://us.imdb.com/Title?0061796 > > - A song by Peter Paul & Mary (1966). Lyrics: > http://www.peterpaulandmary.com/music/07-06.htm > > But this looks like the winner: > - Handy, W.C., Sundown Blues (Hurry Sundown And Let To-Morrow > Come), 1923. This is a score preserved in the "William Grant > Still and Verna Arvey Papers" collection at U. Arkansas, > Fayattville. Its entry in the collection's catalogue: > http://www.uark.edu/libinfo/speccoll/still/still4aid.html > > Dunno whether Dave ever heard this, but it seems a fair bet > that: > - it's where Bert and/or wife got the title for their book > - the book directly or indirectly inspired the rest, > including (at least the title of) HW's song > > Anyone here live near enough to Fayattville to dig this out > of the library and post the lyrics? > > On a side note, this page contains a reference to PP&M's "Hurry > Sundown" that's unintentionally most amusing under the > circumstances... > http://www.csp.org/practices/entheogens/docs/bonny-music.html > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: > Is there anything in astrology? > Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, > so I'm naturally skeptical. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 15:46:06 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:46:06 EST Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/01 12:43:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: > > http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html > > > ----awesome page, first time i ever checked it out! > btw, I remember a few years ago during one of my Shakespeare classes, > spotting a line from a HW tune, and pointing it out at the time. it may have > been "Needle Gun"'s > "So you're alive, I thought you was ("were" in Shakes, o' course:) done..." > can someone help with this??? > > Chuck > Duh! I went back to double check and saw the "take up the sword and take up me" (Richard III) line mentioned. sorry for the redundance, Chuck From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Jan 29 15:48:32 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:48:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Take up the sword, or take up me? That's in there somewhere! ;) -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chuck Rosenberg > Sent: 29 January 2001 20:42 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Song refs > > > In a message dated 1/28/01 1:07:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, > nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > > > http://www.andygilham.com/hwsongrefs.html > > > ----awesome page, first time i ever checked it out! > btw, I remember a few years ago during one of my Shakespeare classes, > spotting a line from a HW tune, and pointing it out at the time. > it may have > been "Needle Gun"'s > "So you're alive, I thought you was ("were" in Shakes, o' > course:) done..." > can someone help with this??? > > Chuck > > From coral at APORT.RU Mon Jan 29 16:50:59 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 00:50:59 +0300 Subject: HW: undeground zero and family tree Message-ID: Hello! Today I received Best of Hawkwind Friends an Relations. It has a wonderful track by the band Underground Zero but I don't know nothing about them. Is there any info available? Also I got Family Tree cd. Well, at least it's not bad as I expected after reading some postings. I liked most of it, especially the one by Chadwick's band. I think Richard has most Hawkwind-like feeling and music style after Dave Brock and Alan Davey. cheers, Alissa From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Jan 29 17:17:47 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:17:47 -0600 Subject: HW: undeground zero and family tree In-Reply-To: <001001c08a3d$bbf4e1c0$0daac0d8@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Alissa wrote: :Subject: HW: undeground zero and family tree : :Hello! :Today I received Best of Hawkwind Friends an Relations. It has a wonderful :track by the band Underground Zero but I don't know nothing about them. Is :there any info available? : Alissa, See: http://users.powernet.co.uk/rix/ Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 29 17:30:23 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:30:23 +0000 Subject: HW: undeground zero and family tree In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Alissa wrote: >:Today I received Best of Hawkwind Friends an Relations. It has a wonderful >:track by the band Underground Zero but I don't know nothing about them. Is >:there any info available? > >See: >http://users.powernet.co.uk/rix/ Great band. I got the Never Reach the Stars LP from someone on the list, but don't have it with me just now (nor an LP player, for that matter!). I think "Canes Venatici" on the HW Friends and Relations album is one of their best, though. I really have to get their self-made compilation CD sometime ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From coral at APORT.RU Mon Jan 29 17:34:51 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:34:51 +0300 Subject: HW: undeground zero and family tree Message-ID: > http://users.powernet.co.uk/rix/ Thank you! From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 18:03:30 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:03:30 EST Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/01 3:47:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: > Duh! I went back to double check and saw the "take up the sword and take up > me" (Richard III) line mentioned. sorry for the redundance, Chuck > Listen to Hawkwind, you not only get great music, you also get a smattering of great literature, too! Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jan 29 18:35:16 2001 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:35:16 -0000 Subject: what a day Message-ID: Just to let you know that the two lp's have been snapped up. Thanks Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could someone please post a complete tracklisting of it? thanx & (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 18:30:43 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:30:43 EST Subject: Warrior CD on ebay Message-ID: Hi ever'bod Item # 1405612766 Griffin copy of Warrior on the Edge of Time Current bid of $51.00 Auction ends on Jan 31. 01 21:18:26 PST Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 18:36:42 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:36:42 EST Subject: Warrior CD on ebay Message-ID: 'nother one: item # 1406838150 Current bid: $2.25 Ends on: Feb 4, 01 11:44:06 PST Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CultJacket at AOL.COM Mon Jan 29 18:53:50 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:53:50 -0500 Subject: Se List San Diego 1-28-01 Message-ID: ETI Dance On Stilts Harvester of Eyes Burnin Joan Crawford Flaming Telep. COF ....Old Gods Return Buck's Boogie Teen Archer Astronomy Godzilla Reaper ME262 D&S From scylding at CARLAZ.COM Mon Jan 29 18:48:13 2001 From: scylding at CARLAZ.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:48:13 +0000 Subject: Warrior CD on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18.30 -0500 29.1.2001, Joe Loehr wrote: > Griffin copy of Warrior on the Edge of Time > Current bid of $51.00 50 bucks!? Damn! Cheers, Carl ObMP3: Floyd, _Piper_, "The Gnome". -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:scylding at carlaz.com http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 29 21:41:02 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:11:02 +1030 Subject: from Richard at Cranium Music Message-ID: > Excuse the intrusion but if your looking for those goodies at a cheap price > at present then we have a Sale happening at Cranium. 15% off all titles plus No intrusion at all good sir!! Shall have a perusal quite soon :) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: from Richard at Cranium Music > Excuse the intrusion but if your looking for those goodies at a cheap price > at present then we have a Sale happening at Cranium. 15% off all titles plus > free airmail postage anywhere in the world. > Time to kick start the millennium with some trippy new sounds so follow > either of the two URL's below. > > Regards > > Richard > Cranium Music > http://www.cranium.co.nz > http://www.cranium-music.com > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jan 29 21:52:27 2001 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael W Blackman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:22:27 +1030 Subject: Warrior CD on ebay Message-ID: > At 18.30 -0500 29.1.2001, Joe Loehr wrote: > > Griffin copy of Warrior on the Edge of Time > > Current bid of $51.00 > > 50 bucks!? Damn My sentiments exactly - I'm waiting for a reissue - I allready have an LP scored thru ebay Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Warrior CD on ebay > At 18.30 -0500 29.1.2001, Joe Loehr wrote: > > Griffin copy of Warrior on the Edge of Time > > Current bid of $51.00 > > 50 bucks!? Damn! > > Cheers, > Carl > > ObMP3: Floyd, _Piper_, "The Gnome". > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:scylding at carlaz.com > http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 30 00:29:56 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:29:56 +0800 Subject: Fw: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawkman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex > This is to Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge: > > Can I put the Codex on my Website? > I will give all credits to you, advertise > your names above all references to the > codex, and copy it exactly as it appears. > > Reply in private please. > > Thanks, > Hawkman. > hawkman at ka.net > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> > eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups > Click here for more details > http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/619049/_/980812535/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > Community email addresses: > Post message: Hawkwind at onelist.com > Subscribe: Hawkwind-subscribe at onelist.com > Unsubscribe: Hawkwind-unsubscribe at onelist.com > List owner: Hawkwind-owner at onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/Hawkwind > > From coral at APORT.RU Tue Jan 30 02:50:52 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:50:52 +0300 Subject: HW: family tree tracklist Message-ID: > I just searched the BOC-L archives but couldn't find a lot of info about > that disc, except that someone compared it to "Ummagumma". Could someone > please post a complete tracklisting of it? Hawkwind "Family Tree" 2000 1. Nile - The Paradogs (Jerry Richards) 2. Noctis Labyrinthus - The Paradogs 3. Jetstream - The Paradogs 4. Squall - The Little Big Men (R. Chadwick) 5. Tuff On De Street - Ron Tree & Vital Chi 6. Another Day - Liz Gizzad (Ron) 7. Tripping Shipping - Ron Tree 8. The Auctioner - Dave Brock 9. Space Show Biz - Brock 10. Voice Inside My Head - Brock 11. Moonbeams On Mars - Brock 12. Only The Time Will Tell - Brock/Davey/Chadwick (in a style of IITBOTFTBD) 13. Motorway City - Hawkwind '79 Most stuff is a space techno/industrial music. cheers, Alissa From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 03:02:46 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:02:46 -0500 Subject: Total Rock Radio Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:33:19 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >but won't those who recorded it directly off Sky Dgital have the best >quality recordings? - wish I'd been around to do it. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Appelt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:46 AM >Subject: Total Rock Radio > > >> Hi there, >> >> that was a funny event. Long wires to the telephone line, another long >> wires from the computer to the tape-deck, some packages of chips, somme >> bottles of beer, the flickerig lights of the new Media Player on two >> screens and totally loud 40 minutes of Hawkwind music. >> >> Well amazing sounds, but Moorcocks old fashioned voice-games were boring. >I >> am always afraid when I listen to Hawkwind live recordings that this voice >> from that old fat baby comes crying through the PA. The last good >> appearance happened 1985 during the Black Sword Tour. >> >> But then it was always the fat crying baby. Hello Mike! Stop crying >through >> the telephone. You ruin your own lyrics. >> >> Again a superb demonstration of Ron's vocals on Spirit of the age. He's >the >> only one that can transform Calvert's spirit into new life. >> >> So it was good fun between at last empty bottles, epty packages but a full >> tape of good music. >> >> >> Thanks to TotalRock Radio and to the Streaming Audio Technology. >> >> Chris Andy, I got it recorded onto video off sky digital. I wouldn't say that the sound was fantastic but it's not bad. I just need to copy it down from video to cassette or something similar as my family don't appreciate me hogging the TV with a blue screen and Hawkwind music. Mark From cmcwilliams at CIL.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 04:05:42 2001 From: cmcwilliams at CIL.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:05:42 -0000 Subject: What a day ! Message-ID: hi geoff Sounds like a cool shop, where is it in the uk?? cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: g.m.wright [mailto:g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK] Sent: 29 January 2001 20:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: What a day ! Yes ! My crap day took a real turn for the good today. I walked into a record shop where I know the owner and picked up a copy of Live at the Bottom Line & the Victoria double LP for ?20, got three live tapes thrown in for nothing and hawkfans 7,8,9,10,24,25,26 and lots of news letters. Anyone want a copy of hawkfan 24,25,26? I'm happy to swap. Also I thought I'd let anyone interested know that I can get hold of one copy of each of the bootlegs. Stonehenge 83 & the Golden Void, as this guy can't sell them he has given them to me to sell, ?8 each inc. post. If anyone's interested email me privately. Cheers Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk *********************************************************** This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact us immediately. 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I have a few CD-R's and I'll append my tapes list: Hawkwind Live ============= Notting Hill Gate 28/1/70 20m 8 Port Talbot 23/5/70 20m 4 BBC 1970/1971 C60 9 Colchester Technical College Essex 19/2/71 C60 5 Berlin Waldbuhne 1/6/71 10 mins 6 Darmstadt 4/6/71 C90 6 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 26/7/71 C60 6 Potters Bar London 14/10/71 C60 8 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C45 10 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C90 7 Brian Matthews Show BBC Disk 1972 C60 10 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 5/6/72 C65 7 Essen Grugahalle 10/9/72 C60 5 London Paris Cinema 28/9/72 C60 10 Liverpool Stadium 22/12/72 C120 10 London Edmonton Sundown 29/12/72 2xC60 7 Dusseldorf 24/2/73 C100 8 Volkhaus Zurich 12/10/73 C100 6 Academy of Music, New York 25/11/73 C110 7 Chicago 26/11/73 C30 8 Ford Auditorium Detroit 28/11/73 C90 9 Newcastle City Hall 11/12/73 C120 8 Dublin National Stadium 4/2/74 C110 7 Philadelphia 5/4/74 C90 5 Harlow 10/8/74 C90 9 Marseille 29/11/74 C60 6 Manchester 14/12/74 C90 6 Roundhouse London 16/2/75 C100 8 Frick 15/6/75 C90 7 Reading Festival 22/8/75 C100 7 Watchfield Festival 23/8/75 C90 8 London Imperial College 6/3/76 C90 6 Manchester 18/9/76 C90 5 Ipswich Gaumont 2/10/76 C90 7 Hammersmith 5/10/76 C90 4 Amsterdam Paradiso 11/3/77 C90 9 Reims 25/4/77 C90 9 Music Machine 10/6/77 C90 5 Stonehenge 23/6/77 C90 10 Reading 28/8/77 C90 7 Hammersmith Odeon 5/10/77 C90 9 Barnstaple Queen's Hall 23/12/77 C45 6 Philadelphia 7/3/78 C60 7 Illinois 14/3/78 C60 5 San Francisco 27/3/78 C90 8 Oxford Apollo 6/10/78 C90 9 London Hammersmith 13/10/78 C90 8 Glasgow Apollo 15/11/78 C90 8 Plymouth 23/11/78 C60 10 Hawklords Demos 1979 C60 9 Leeds SF Convention 9/9/79 C60 6 Newcastle City Hall 19/11/79 C120 5 Ipswich 4/12/79 C90 8 Brighton Centre 5/12/79 C90 10 Preston 6/12/79 C90 9 St. Albans 8/12/79 C90 9 Electric Ballroom 29/12/79 C90 9 1980 tour compilation 1980 C90 10 Leas Cliff Hall Folkestone 12/7/80 C90 9 London Lyceum 13/7/80 C90 9 Liverpool Empire 11/10/80 C60 10 Preston Guild Hall 20/10/80 C90 7 Treforest 5/11/80 C90 9 Chelmsford Odeon 6/11/80 C60 9 Doncaster Rotters 10/11/80 C90 9 Brock Demos 1980 30m 8 Glastonbury Festival 20/6/81 C60 10 Barnstaple Snapper 29/8/81 C90 7 Manchester Apollo 1/10/81 C90 10 London Hammersmith 21/10/81 C90 8 Oxford New Theatre 27/10/81 C90 7 Guildford 29/10/81 C90 7 Maidstone College 16/12/81 C60 9 London Rainbow 18/12/81 C120 9 Monmore Green Festival, Wolverhampton 2/5/82 C90 8 Stonehenge Festival 20/6/82 C90 7 Hitchin Regal 14/10/82 C90 10 Glasgow 19/10/82 C45 9 Edinburgh Playhouse 21/10/82 C100 9 Birmingham Odeon 27/10/82 C90 9 Hammersmith Odeon 12/11/82 C120 10 Hammersmith Odeon 13/11/82 C120 9 Oxford Apollo 14/11/82 C110 10 Chippenham Goldiggers 15/11/82 C120 9 Bradford 9/2/83 C45 9 Dunstable Civic Hall 10/2/83 C90 10 Sheffield 12/2/83 C100 10 Cricket St.Thomas 4/6/83 C90 9 Stonehenge 22/6/83 C120 7 Milton Keynes 5/9/83 C60 9 Hawkwind Demos 1983 C90 10 Slough 16/2/84 C100 10 Hammersmith Odeon 13/3/84 2xC60 9 London Hammersmith 14/3/84 C90 9 Marina Park, Ramsgate 28/5/84 C90+C60 7 Stonehenge 21/6/84 2xC90 9 Leicester 20/11/84 C90 10 Slough 23/11/84 C100 10 Worthing Assembly Halls 29/11/84 C120 7 Hawkon 10/2/85 C90 8 Westbury White Horse Festival 21/6/85 C90+C30 6 Crystal Palace 24/8/85 C45 9 Aberdeen Ritzy 19/11/85 3xC60 9 Hammersmith 3/12/85 C120 8 Hammersmith 4/12/85 2xC60 9 Radio Session 19/07/85 C30 9 Oxford New Age Fayre 5/5/86 C90 9 Exeter Festival 6/7/86 C90 9 Reading Festival 24/8/86 C90 10 Hammersmith 28/11/86 C90 9 Batchkapp Frankfurt 26/5/87 C90 10 Haltern Old Daddy 29/5/87 C90 9 Southampton Top Rank 4/8/87 C90 9 Finsbury Park Acid Daze I 23/8/87 C90 9 Leeds Queens Hall Acid Daze II 12/12/87 C90 10 London Hammersmith 21/4/88 C90 9 Hammersmith 22/4/88 C60 9 Leicester 25/4/88 C90 10 St David's Hall Cardiff 28/4/88 C100 7 London Town & Country Club 30/5/88 C100 8 Penzance Festival 6/8/88 C60 9 Clyro Court Festival 1/10/88 C60 8 Birmingham Powerhouse 4/12/88 C90 9 Hammersmith 14/12/88 C90 9 London Town & Country Club 15/12/88 C120 9 Brixton 5/3/89 C90 9 Woolwich 5/6/89 C90 9 Brixton Academy 3/9/89 C100 10 Toronto Diamond 24/9/89 45 8 Washington DC 9-30 Club 26/9/89 C100 10 23rd Avenue Cabaret Ardmore 29/9/89 C60 7 First Avenue Minneapolis 4/10/89 C90 10 San Francisco 7/10/89 C90 9 San Diego Bacchanal 12/10/89 C90 10 Hammersmith 7/12/89 C90 9 Glastonbury Festival 23/6/90 C90 9 Newport Leisure Centre 1/11/90 C90 9 The Event Brighton 7/11/90 C90 9 Southampton Mayflower 9/11/90 C60 9 Oakland Omni 16/12/90 C90 9 San Francisco Stone 17/12/90 2xC60 7 Cologne Germany 14/3/91 2xC60 9 Bochum Germany 19/3/91 C100 10 Stuttgart 21/3/91 C110 9 Florence 5/4/91 C90 8 Washington DC 21/5/91 C90 9 Brixton Academy 6/7/91 C90+C15 10 Mildenhall Festival 3/8/91 C90 10 Exeter Plaza 31/8/91 C90 8 Stockholm Daly's Bar 29/9/91 C90 9 Uppsala Barowiak 30/9/91 C90 10 East Berlin 5/10/91 C90 10 York Barbican 13/12/91 C90 8 Cardiff 14/12/91 C90 10 Wolverhampton 15/12/91 C90 10 Brighton 24/4/92 C100 10 Southampton University 25/4/92 2xC60 10 Newcastle Mayfair 29/4/92 C100 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 1/5/92 2xC60 9 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11/5/92 C90 10 Reading University 19/5/92 C100 10 Brixton Academy 15/8/92 C90+C60 8 Kilburn National Ballroom 13/12/92 2xC60 8 Manchester Rockworld 7/4/93 C120 8 Truro City Hall 11/4/93 C100 8 Rotterdam Night Town 24/4/93 2xC60 7 Utrecht Tivol, Holland 29/4/93 C100 9 Derby Custom Bike Show 31/7/93 C90 9 Brixton Academy 14/8/93 C90 9 Cambridge Junction 11/11/93 C90 10 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 12/11/93 C90 9 Liverpool Royal Court 17/11/93 C90 9 Glasgow Barrowlands 20/11/93 C120 10 Worthing Pavillion 25/11/93 C90 10 Hastings Pier 27/11/93 C120 10 Henglo Metropol, Arnheim 9/12/93 C90 9 Manchester Rockworld 13/4/94 C90 9 Oxford Apollo 15/4/94 C100 9 Koln Live Music Hall 13/11/94 C90 9 Springfield Jaxx 8/4/95 C90 10 Phoenix Club Toronto 4/4/95 C90 10 St. Catherine`s Hideaway 5/4/95 C90 8 Derby MAG Festival 29/7/95 C100 8 Bochum Zeche 26/10/95 C100 9 Hamburg Markthalle 27/10/95 C90 9 London Forum 22/12/95 C100 8 Brentwood 22/6/96 C90 8 Burg Herzberg Festival 21/07/96 C110 8 Langtree Summer Daze Festival 27/7/96 C110 8 Sherman Strange Daze Festival 31/8/97 C100 9 Guildford 1/11/97 C90 9 Oxford Zodiac 8/11/97 C90 8 Eindhoven Effenaar 18/11/97 C90 8 Hawkwind Video -------------------------- 1977 Marc Bolan Show (Quark, Strangeness, and Charm single) 1972 Moorcock Interview (Silver Machine 2 mins) 1990 Video - Hawkwind 1979-1989 1980 Bronze Levitation Promo 1992 Hawkwind Promos Video 1992 Sonic Attack Tour '81 1983 Video - Live at Edinburgh Playhouse 1982 1983 M.A.G.Bike festival 1984 Video - Stonehenge Festival 1984 [Jettisoundz 20 mins] 1984 Video - Night of the Hawk (recorded Ipswich 9/3/84) 1985 Video - Hawkon convention 1985 Live Aid (Brainstorm) 1986 Video - Chronicle of The Black Sword 1987 Bristol Custom Bike Show 1986 (5 mins) 1987 Bochum - Germany 1989 Boston 20/9/89 1992 USA Tour 89/90 1990 Video - Tregowrey Festival 1992 Bournemouth Academy 1990 1991 Live Legends - Castle Music Pictures CMP 6005 1991 Video - Live in Bochum, Germany 19/3/91 1992 Cambridge Corn Exchange 1992 Brixton Academy 15/8/92 1983 Tour (30 mins) ???? German TV (Who's Gonna Win The War?) 1995 Bochum 26/10/95 1997 Love In Space 1996 VH-1 Show 2000 Australian ABC TV Studio 22 20/7/2000 Dave Brock ---------- Dharma Blues 1967 40m 8 Agents of Chaos, Birmingham Kaleidoscope 1988 C90 9 Agents of Chaos,Camden Electric Ballroom 16/11/88 C90 9 Agents of Chaos Leeds Phoenix Club 15/3/89 C90 9 Brock Demos 1975 20 mins 7 Bob Calvert ----------- The kid From Silicon Gulch 1/5/81 2xC90 7 Calvert & Kranchshaft at Liverpool ? 45 7 Calvert - Beer-Keller 28/5/86 45 7 Calvert - Maximum Effect 1986 C90 9 Calvert - The Cellar Tapes 1986 C90 9 Calvert Video ------------- Maximum Effect Tim Blake --------- Waterfalls in Space C60 7 Live at Orsay 2xC60 9 Home Demos 45 7 Amsterdam 1979/ Leglise St Gervais 1975 C90 6 Oxford Poly 1977 C60 9 Paris Hippodrome [from Gong reunion gig 28/5/77] C90 8 Villejuit, Paris 20/5/78 (90) C90 8 Paris Hippodrome 1977 (60) C60 5 Palace Theatre, Paris 18/2/77 (90) C90 8 Home Demos 1978 45 7 Blake & Agents of Chaos 1989 45 9 Baltimore 1991 110 10 Kennel Club, San Francisco 7/10/92 100 10 Gong 25 Years Concert, London Forum 9/10/94 35 8 Tim Blake Video --------------- US tour 1990 UK Electronica (20 mins) Baltimore 1991 Nik Turner's Sphynx ------------------- Unreleased studio Material 11/78 C60 9 Camden Electric Ballroom 78 C45 9 Nik Turner's Pinkwind --------------------- Pinkwind London Emerald Centre 22/12/93 C90 8 Pinkwind Festival of The Sun 29/8/93 C90 9 Pinkwind Glastonbury Town Hall 12/93 Video 7 Nikwind Albuquerque 11/1/94 C100 9 Nikwind Masquerade, Atlanta 21/1/94 C110 10 Nikwind Cambridge, Massachusets 29/1/94 C110 10 Nikwind Milwaukee Swank Hall 6/2/94 C100 10 Nikwind San Francisco 21/2/94 C100 10 Pinkwind Glastonbury Festival '94 6/94 C90 9 Nikwind Mama Kin's, Boston 18/7/95 C120 9 Nikxstar Sweden 16/12/95 C120 9 Mulowind -------- Mulowind, Bristol Fleec & Firkin 2/9/91 C90 8 Huw Lloyd-Langton ----------------- Cas Rock Cafe, Edinburgh 10/12/94 C90 9 Mike Moorcock ------------- Deep Fix cuts + BOC at Fantasy Con C90 9 Interviews ---------- Dave Anderson Interview - Orbit 12/85 C45 10 Richard Chadwick Interview - BBC Radio 22/11/93 C45 10 Other ----- Sun Machine, Cleveland 31/12/95 C110 9 Hawkwind Covers All Vols 1-4 (covers of Hawkwind) C350 10 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 05:49:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:49:23 GMT Subject: Fw: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex In-Reply-To: Bill & Cynthia's message of Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:29:56 +0800 Message-ID: Bill & Cynthia writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hawkman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex > > > > This is to Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge: > > > > Can I put the Codex on my Website? > > I will give all credits to you, advertise > > your names above all references to the > > codex, and copy it exactly as it appears. I've no problem with anyone hosting it on their website. Due to past problems though it is important that the cites stay in there. Cheers Mike From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 30 05:50:36 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:50:36 GMT Subject: Woops - sorry Message-ID: I meant to send that cassette list privately but stupidly just hit the R key. Humble apologies. FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Jan 30 07:05:03 2001 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:05:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Today Is . . . Message-ID: Today is the anniversary of the last appearance by the Beatles From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 30 06:27:16 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:27:16 EDT Subject: Se List San Diego 1-28-01 In-Reply-To: <200101292353.SAA19925@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 01, at 18:53, Chris Martin wrote: > Dance On Stilts > Flaming Telep. > ....Old Gods Return > Buck's Boogie > Teen Archer > Astronomy Damn, there's the makings of a great set, eh? theo From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Tue Jan 30 08:57:59 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:57:59 -0600 Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: It was John W. Campbell who basically gifted the 3 Laws to Asimov, but Asimov is almost universally credited with it. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: bwaje To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Song refs >Good work on the origins of songs! >Two remarks so far : >Robot's laws are not from Asimov, but someone (I will try to remember who >he was) who 'gave' the idea to Asimov. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Jan 30 13:59:34 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:59:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Song refs In-Reply-To: <002201c08ac4$a8e3d320$1f65a58e@jowill>; from blyoung@BIGFOOT.COM on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:57:59AM -0600 Message-ID: Yah, as editor of Astounding/Analog, Campbell did a lot of that. As well as, to paraphrase Asimov (in reference to himself), "recognizing the latent talent in the writer of a hopeless first story". The thing is, since the Laws of Robotics thing was presumably a private conversation, the fact that we know about it says one of them spilled the beans. To me, the important question is, which one? I doubt it was Campbell ("Isaac says he invented the things, but they're *mine*!"); from what I've read of Campbell, that wasn't his style. So it must have been Asimov, giving credit where it was due. On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:57:59AM -0600, Bryan Young wrote: > It was John W. Campbell who basically gifted the 3 Laws to Asimov, but > Asimov is almost universally credited with it. > > Bryan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bwaje > To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu > Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:23 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Song refs > > > >Good work on the origins of songs! > >Two remarks so far : > >Robot's laws are not from Asimov, but someone (I will try to remember who > >he was) who 'gave' the idea to Asimov. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: Is there anything in astrology? Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, so I'm naturally skeptical. From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 14:27:14 2001 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:27:14 -0000 Subject: What a day ! Message-ID: geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Colm McWilliams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 30 January 2001 09:19 Subject: Re: What a day ! hi geoff Sounds like a cool shop, where is it in the uk?? cheers colm St Bennidects Street - Norwich, other albums are a bit expensive, but right now there's quite a few. I know they've got a copy of hawkfan12 + inserts, but want ?75 for it! I think I just got lucky on the albums I got & especially lucky on the other stuff. Cheers Geoff -----Original Message----- From: g.m.wright [mailto:g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK] Sent: 29 January 2001 20:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: What a day ! Yes ! My crap day took a real turn for the good today. I walked into a record shop where I know the owner and picked up a copy of Live at the Bottom Line & the Victoria double LP for ?20, got three live tapes thrown in for nothing and hawkfans 7,8,9,10,24,25,26 and lots of news letters. Anyone want a copy of hawkfan 24,25,26? I'm happy to swap. Also I thought I'd let anyone interested know that I can get hold of one copy of each of the bootlegs. Stonehenge 83 & the Golden Void, as this guy can't sell them he has given them to me to sell, ?8 each inc. post. If anyone's interested email me privately. Cheers Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk *********************************************************** This e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact us immediately. This e-mail and attachments have been scanned for viruses using Trend ScanMail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 14:58:47 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:58:47 -0000 Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex Message-ID: Yes please do so. I'm delighted to have it widely available. But, yes, please keep the copyrights and the caveats and everything else - not for pride, but for transparency of information! thanks jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Hawkman To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: [Hawkwind] HW: Codex > This is to Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge: > > Can I put the Codex on my Website? > I will give all credits to you, advertise > your names above all references to the > codex, and copy it exactly as it appears. > > Reply in private please. > > Thanks, > Hawkman. > hawkman at ka.net > From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 15:53:34 2001 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:53:34 -0000 Subject: Total Rock Radio In-Reply-To: <200101301045.KAA04362@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Good Evening I would very much like to trade if you would send me your address I will stick a copy in the post. That is one amazing collection you have after much thinking stonehenge 77 sounds good Thanks Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 30 January 2001 10:46 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Total Rock Radio > > > Brian Coulthard writes: > > > Good Evening Everybody > > I was lucky enough to get a good copy off Sky (I knew Murdoch > was good for > > something) If anyone wants a CDR of it drop me a post off list > and we could > > swap perhaps? > > Thanks > > Brian > > Yup, I'd be interested. What are you looking for? I have a few CD-R's > and I'll append my tapes list: > > Hawkwind Live > ============= > > Notting Hill Gate 28/1/70 20m 8 > Port Talbot 23/5/70 20m 4 > BBC 1970/1971 C60 9 > Colchester Technical College Essex 19/2/71 C60 5 > Berlin Waldbuhne 1/6/71 10 mins 6 > Darmstadt 4/6/71 C90 6 > Wolverhampton Civic Hall 26/7/71 C60 6 > Potters Bar London 14/10/71 C60 8 > Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C45 10 > Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 C90 7 > Brian Matthews Show BBC Disk 1972 C60 10 > Wolverhampton Civic Hall 5/6/72 C65 7 > Essen Grugahalle 10/9/72 C60 5 > London Paris Cinema 28/9/72 C60 10 > Liverpool Stadium 22/12/72 C120 10 > London Edmonton Sundown 29/12/72 2xC60 7 > Dusseldorf 24/2/73 C100 8 > Volkhaus Zurich 12/10/73 C100 6 > Academy of Music, New York 25/11/73 C110 7 > Chicago 26/11/73 C30 8 > Ford Auditorium Detroit 28/11/73 C90 9 > Newcastle City Hall 11/12/73 C120 8 > Dublin National Stadium 4/2/74 C110 7 > Philadelphia 5/4/74 C90 5 > Harlow 10/8/74 C90 9 > Marseille 29/11/74 C60 6 > Manchester 14/12/74 C90 6 > Roundhouse London 16/2/75 C100 8 > Frick 15/6/75 C90 7 > Reading Festival 22/8/75 C100 7 > Watchfield Festival 23/8/75 C90 8 > London Imperial College 6/3/76 C90 6 > Manchester 18/9/76 C90 5 > Ipswich Gaumont 2/10/76 C90 7 > Hammersmith 5/10/76 C90 4 > Amsterdam Paradiso 11/3/77 C90 9 > Reims 25/4/77 C90 9 > Music Machine 10/6/77 C90 5 > Stonehenge 23/6/77 C90 10 > Reading 28/8/77 C90 7 > Hammersmith Odeon 5/10/77 C90 9 > Barnstaple Queen's Hall 23/12/77 C45 6 > Philadelphia 7/3/78 C60 7 > Illinois 14/3/78 C60 5 > San Francisco 27/3/78 C90 8 > Oxford Apollo 6/10/78 C90 9 > London Hammersmith 13/10/78 C90 8 > Glasgow Apollo 15/11/78 C90 8 > Plymouth 23/11/78 C60 10 > Hawklords Demos 1979 C60 9 > Leeds SF Convention 9/9/79 C60 6 > Newcastle City Hall 19/11/79 C120 5 > Ipswich 4/12/79 C90 8 > Brighton Centre 5/12/79 C90 10 > Preston 6/12/79 C90 9 > St. Albans 8/12/79 C90 9 > Electric Ballroom 29/12/79 C90 9 > 1980 tour compilation 1980 C90 10 > Leas Cliff Hall Folkestone 12/7/80 C90 9 > London Lyceum 13/7/80 C90 9 > Liverpool Empire 11/10/80 C60 10 > Preston Guild Hall 20/10/80 C90 7 > Treforest 5/11/80 C90 9 > Chelmsford Odeon 6/11/80 C60 9 > Doncaster Rotters 10/11/80 C90 9 > Brock Demos 1980 30m 8 > Glastonbury Festival 20/6/81 C60 10 > Barnstaple Snapper 29/8/81 C90 7 > Manchester Apollo 1/10/81 C90 10 > London Hammersmith 21/10/81 C90 8 > Oxford New Theatre 27/10/81 C90 7 > Guildford 29/10/81 C90 7 > Maidstone College 16/12/81 C60 9 > London Rainbow 18/12/81 C120 9 > Monmore Green Festival, Wolverhampton 2/5/82 C90 8 > Stonehenge Festival 20/6/82 C90 7 > Hitchin Regal 14/10/82 C90 10 > Glasgow 19/10/82 C45 9 > Edinburgh Playhouse 21/10/82 C100 9 > Birmingham Odeon 27/10/82 C90 9 > Hammersmith Odeon 12/11/82 C120 10 > Hammersmith Odeon 13/11/82 C120 9 > Oxford Apollo 14/11/82 C110 10 > Chippenham Goldiggers 15/11/82 C120 9 > Bradford 9/2/83 C45 9 > Dunstable Civic Hall 10/2/83 C90 10 > Sheffield 12/2/83 C100 10 > Cricket St.Thomas 4/6/83 C90 9 > Stonehenge 22/6/83 C120 7 > Milton Keynes 5/9/83 C60 9 > Hawkwind Demos 1983 C90 10 > Slough 16/2/84 C100 10 > Hammersmith Odeon 13/3/84 2xC60 9 > London Hammersmith 14/3/84 C90 9 > Marina Park, Ramsgate 28/5/84 C90+C60 7 > Stonehenge 21/6/84 2xC90 9 > Leicester 20/11/84 C90 10 > Slough 23/11/84 C100 10 > Worthing Assembly Halls 29/11/84 C120 7 > Hawkon 10/2/85 C90 8 > Westbury White Horse Festival 21/6/85 C90+C30 6 > Crystal Palace 24/8/85 C45 9 > Aberdeen Ritzy 19/11/85 3xC60 9 > Hammersmith 3/12/85 C120 8 > Hammersmith 4/12/85 2xC60 9 > Radio Session 19/07/85 C30 9 > Oxford New Age Fayre 5/5/86 C90 9 > Exeter Festival 6/7/86 C90 9 > Reading Festival 24/8/86 C90 10 > Hammersmith 28/11/86 C90 9 > Batchkapp Frankfurt 26/5/87 C90 10 > Haltern Old Daddy 29/5/87 C90 9 > Southampton Top Rank 4/8/87 C90 9 > Finsbury Park Acid Daze I 23/8/87 C90 9 > Leeds Queens Hall Acid Daze II 12/12/87 C90 10 > London Hammersmith 21/4/88 C90 9 > Hammersmith 22/4/88 C60 9 > Leicester 25/4/88 C90 10 > St David's Hall Cardiff 28/4/88 C100 7 > London Town & Country Club 30/5/88 C100 8 > Penzance Festival 6/8/88 C60 9 > Clyro Court Festival 1/10/88 C60 8 > Birmingham Powerhouse 4/12/88 C90 9 > Hammersmith 14/12/88 C90 9 > London Town & Country Club 15/12/88 C120 9 > Brixton 5/3/89 C90 9 > Woolwich 5/6/89 C90 9 > Brixton Academy 3/9/89 C100 10 > Toronto Diamond 24/9/89 45 8 > Washington DC 9-30 Club 26/9/89 C100 10 > 23rd Avenue Cabaret Ardmore 29/9/89 C60 7 > First Avenue Minneapolis 4/10/89 C90 10 > San Francisco 7/10/89 C90 9 > San Diego Bacchanal 12/10/89 C90 10 > Hammersmith 7/12/89 C90 9 > Glastonbury Festival 23/6/90 C90 9 > Newport Leisure Centre 1/11/90 C90 9 > The Event Brighton 7/11/90 C90 9 > Southampton Mayflower 9/11/90 C60 9 > Oakland Omni 16/12/90 C90 9 > San Francisco Stone 17/12/90 2xC60 7 > Cologne Germany 14/3/91 2xC60 9 > Bochum Germany 19/3/91 C100 10 > Stuttgart 21/3/91 C110 9 > Florence 5/4/91 C90 8 > Washington DC 21/5/91 C90 9 > Brixton Academy 6/7/91 C90+C15 10 > Mildenhall Festival 3/8/91 C90 10 > Exeter Plaza 31/8/91 C90 8 > Stockholm Daly's Bar 29/9/91 C90 9 > Uppsala Barowiak 30/9/91 C90 10 > East Berlin 5/10/91 C90 10 > York Barbican 13/12/91 C90 8 > Cardiff 14/12/91 C90 10 > Wolverhampton 15/12/91 C90 10 > Brighton 24/4/92 C100 10 > Southampton University 25/4/92 2xC60 10 > Newcastle Mayfair 29/4/92 C100 8 > Edinburgh Playhouse 1/5/92 2xC60 9 > Cambridge Corn Exchange 11/5/92 C90 10 > Reading University 19/5/92 C100 10 > Brixton Academy 15/8/92 C90+C60 8 > Kilburn National Ballroom 13/12/92 2xC60 8 > Manchester Rockworld 7/4/93 C120 8 > Truro City Hall 11/4/93 C100 8 > Rotterdam Night Town 24/4/93 2xC60 7 > Utrecht Tivol, Holland 29/4/93 C100 9 > Derby Custom Bike Show 31/7/93 C90 9 > Brixton Academy 14/8/93 C90 9 > Cambridge Junction 11/11/93 C90 10 > Wolverhampton Civic Hall 12/11/93 C90 9 > Liverpool Royal Court 17/11/93 C90 9 > Glasgow Barrowlands 20/11/93 C120 10 > Worthing Pavillion 25/11/93 C90 10 > Hastings Pier 27/11/93 C120 10 > Henglo Metropol, Arnheim 9/12/93 C90 9 > Manchester Rockworld 13/4/94 C90 9 > Oxford Apollo 15/4/94 C100 9 > Koln Live Music Hall 13/11/94 C90 9 > Springfield Jaxx 8/4/95 C90 10 > Phoenix Club Toronto 4/4/95 C90 10 > St. Catherine`s Hideaway 5/4/95 C90 8 > Derby MAG Festival 29/7/95 C100 8 > Bochum Zeche 26/10/95 C100 9 > Hamburg Markthalle 27/10/95 C90 9 > London Forum 22/12/95 C100 8 > Brentwood 22/6/96 C90 8 > Burg Herzberg Festival 21/07/96 C110 8 > Langtree Summer Daze Festival 27/7/96 C110 8 > Sherman Strange Daze Festival 31/8/97 C100 9 > Guildford 1/11/97 C90 9 > Oxford Zodiac 8/11/97 C90 8 > Eindhoven Effenaar 18/11/97 C90 8 > > Hawkwind Video > -------------------------- > 1977 Marc Bolan Show (Quark, Strangeness, and Charm single) > 1972 Moorcock Interview (Silver Machine 2 mins) > 1990 Video - Hawkwind 1979-1989 > 1980 Bronze Levitation Promo > 1992 Hawkwind Promos Video > 1992 Sonic Attack Tour '81 > 1983 Video - Live at Edinburgh Playhouse 1982 > 1983 M.A.G.Bike festival > 1984 Video - Stonehenge Festival 1984 [Jettisoundz 20 mins] > 1984 Video - Night of the Hawk (recorded Ipswich 9/3/84) > 1985 Video - Hawkon convention > 1985 Live Aid (Brainstorm) > 1986 Video - Chronicle of The Black Sword > 1987 Bristol Custom Bike Show 1986 (5 mins) > 1987 Bochum - Germany > 1989 Boston 20/9/89 > 1992 USA Tour 89/90 > 1990 Video - Tregowrey Festival > 1992 Bournemouth Academy 1990 > 1991 Live Legends - Castle Music Pictures CMP 6005 > 1991 Video - Live in Bochum, Germany 19/3/91 > 1992 Cambridge Corn Exchange > 1992 Brixton Academy 15/8/92 > 1983 Tour (30 mins) > ???? German TV (Who's Gonna Win The War?) > 1995 Bochum 26/10/95 > 1997 Love In Space > 1996 VH-1 Show > 2000 Australian ABC TV Studio 22 20/7/2000 > > Dave Brock > ---------- > Dharma Blues 1967 40m 8 > Agents of Chaos, Birmingham Kaleidoscope 1988 C90 9 > Agents of Chaos,Camden Electric Ballroom 16/11/88 C90 9 > Agents of Chaos Leeds Phoenix Club 15/3/89 C90 9 > Brock Demos 1975 20 mins 7 > > Bob Calvert > ----------- > The kid From Silicon Gulch 1/5/81 2xC90 7 > Calvert & Kranchshaft at Liverpool ? 45 7 > Calvert - Beer-Keller 28/5/86 45 7 > Calvert - Maximum Effect 1986 C90 9 > Calvert - The Cellar Tapes 1986 C90 9 > > Calvert Video > ------------- > > Maximum Effect > > > Tim Blake > --------- > Waterfalls in Space C60 7 > Live at Orsay 2xC60 9 > Home Demos 45 7 > Amsterdam 1979/ Leglise St Gervais 1975 C90 6 > Oxford Poly 1977 C60 9 > Paris Hippodrome [from Gong reunion gig 28/5/77] C90 8 > Villejuit, Paris 20/5/78 (90) C90 8 > Paris Hippodrome 1977 (60) C60 5 > Palace Theatre, Paris 18/2/77 (90) C90 8 > Home Demos 1978 45 7 > Blake & Agents of Chaos 1989 45 9 > Baltimore 1991 110 10 > Kennel Club, San Francisco 7/10/92 100 10 > Gong 25 Years Concert, London Forum 9/10/94 35 8 > > Tim Blake Video > --------------- > > US tour 1990 > UK Electronica (20 mins) > Baltimore 1991 > > Nik Turner's Sphynx > ------------------- > Unreleased studio Material 11/78 C60 9 > Camden Electric Ballroom 78 C45 9 > > Nik Turner's Pinkwind > --------------------- > > Pinkwind London Emerald Centre 22/12/93 C90 8 > Pinkwind Festival of The Sun 29/8/93 C90 9 > Pinkwind Glastonbury Town Hall 12/93 Video 7 > Nikwind Albuquerque 11/1/94 C100 9 > Nikwind Masquerade, Atlanta 21/1/94 C110 10 > Nikwind Cambridge, Massachusets 29/1/94 C110 10 > Nikwind Milwaukee Swank Hall 6/2/94 C100 10 > Nikwind San Francisco 21/2/94 C100 10 > Pinkwind Glastonbury Festival '94 6/94 C90 9 > Nikwind Mama Kin's, Boston 18/7/95 C120 9 > Nikxstar Sweden 16/12/95 C120 9 > > Mulowind > -------- > Mulowind, Bristol Fleec & Firkin 2/9/91 C90 8 > > Huw Lloyd-Langton > ----------------- > > Cas Rock Cafe, Edinburgh 10/12/94 C90 9 > > Mike Moorcock > ------------- > > Deep Fix cuts + BOC at Fantasy Con C90 9 > > Interviews > ---------- > > Dave Anderson Interview - Orbit 12/85 C45 10 > Richard Chadwick Interview - BBC Radio 22/11/93 C45 10 > > Other > ----- > Sun Machine, Cleveland 31/12/95 C110 9 > Hawkwind Covers All Vols 1-4 (covers of Hawkwind) C350 10 > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 30 16:05:47 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:05:47 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Open relay blocking Message-ID: Hi Folks... Uh...some of us here have recently been blocked from posting to boc-l, and we haven't been able to complain about it - the ultimate Catch-22. But Doug P. (one of us) mentioned that you could post via the web, so I'm trying it out just now. If it works, then you'll actually see this message. I can still get all the boc-l traffic, just am continually blocked from posting anything because spc.edu listserv is disallowing posts from those ISP's that allow open third party relay, or some such thing I don't understand. Which is weird because Ohio State's newly adopted policy (about the time I *lost* the ability to post) was to partially *block* third party relay (a favorite technique of mass-spammers). So I don't really have any idea why I can no longer post, and why others seem to have become blocked at the same time. I know that the 'help' people here at OSU have been *no* help, and the bounce message from spc.edu says "Don't bother complaining to us...it's not our fault" essentially. So, Ben, any ideas? Grakkl (FAA), oddly silent here on boc-l for obvious reasons. P.S. Little comment here about the excellent Scott H.-Lemmy interview on www.aural-innovations.com? From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Jan 30 16:14:27 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:14:27 +0100 Subject: HW: family tree tracklist In-Reply-To: <001f01c08a91$6fb99c20$14d2c0d8@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Hi, At 08:50 30.01.2001, Alissa wrote: [snip track-listing] Thank you very much! D+R np: Roger Waters, "In The Flesh" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 30 16:07:31 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:07:31 EDT Subject: ADMIN: Open relay blocking In-Reply-To: <200101302105.QAA23533@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 30 Jan 01, at 16:05, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.S. Little comment here about the excellent Scott H.-Lemmy interview > on www.aural-innovations.com? Hey, it's great. Lem is a great interview! theo From bedroom at TRANCER28.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 17:31:26 2001 From: bedroom at TRANCER28.FSNET.CO.UK (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:31:26 -0000 Subject: napster Message-ID: just noticed for the first time the whole of the brixton hawkestra gig up on napster colm From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 18:00:03 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:00:03 +0000 Subject: HW: family tree tracklist In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010130221233.02acc330@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: In message <5.0.2.1.0.20010130221233.02acc330 at kommsrv.rz.unibw- muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht writes > >np: Roger Waters, "In The Flesh" Is this worth getting? I saw one of the shows in the States last year. To be honest I only went 'cos I was in San Antonio for a few days and purely by chance discovered RW was playing there, and as a lapsed fan of the old Floyd stuff I thought there were probably worse ways to spend an evening in a foreign city. (Also, I'd always been curious to see a big American stadium show, although the arena wasn't *that* big as it turned out). Anyway I thought the show was excellent, exceeded my expectations, but whether it would work without the visuals (i.e. as a live album) I don't know. What say you? -- Nick Medford From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 19:05:48 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:05:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates Message-ID: The VDGG box is great!!! As for the PT compilation - I think I'll probably pass, I bought all of it from you first time round. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 29 January 2001 00:18 Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates >I suppose we mustn't forget that these days one can hardly blame the abnd >for all this endless recycling of material -they've probably got the least >say of the lot - and I'm not just referring to PT. >I know at CDS and elsewhere, we supply demand and sell such things, but >purely on a personal note, I get so annoyed at the unscrupulous way the >companies treat the fans with 'best of' after 'best of'.....plus one >previously unreleased track, etc,etc. Even the box sets can be jst as bad, >example recent Little Feat, SRV and VDGG - at least in the form of >'Collectibles' we have a full album of Skynyrd stuff...and back to base it's >Hawkwind who try and deliver the goods while those still capable of >releasing licensed product do it endlessly and with glee. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Raymond" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 8:51 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree Dates > > >> I may be wrong, but the "darker and experimental" refers to the new >> album that they are starting to record now. Also they will be releasing >> other stuff to the fans on a mail order label. Also, new No-Man and new >> IEM are being released soon. >> Chris >> >> Jon Jarrett wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Andreas Stuewe wrote: >> > >> > > > May 11 UK London Shepherds Bush Empire >> > >> > I'll be at that one. Might bring some people too. >> > >> > > > Support on all the UK shows will be Rothko, except London, where it >will >> > > > be Anathema and Rothko. Support at the Swedish show will be Opeth. >> > > > The London show is also being recorded for a live album. There is >likely >> > > > to be some other dates added in the USA. >> > >> > What, Anathema the death-Floyd band? Blimey. That'll be an >> > interesting bill and no mistake. And I shall be on the recording >> > :-) You'll know me, I'll be the one shouting for `Burning Sky' :-) >> > >> > > > A special tour edition of Lightbulb Sun will be issued in Germany on >> > > > February 19th (SMACD 841X). This will contain an additional CD to >serve >> > > > as an introduction to Porcupine Tree for those new to the band. This >> > > > bonus CD will contain three tracks, all of them available on other >KScope >> > > > releases, plus an enhanced element containing the video for Piano >> > > > Lessons, a full discography and an image gallery. The only change to >the >> > > > packaging for the album will be the addition of a slipcase (cold >instead >> > > > of hot) with credits for the additional CD printed on the back and a >> > > > sticker with quotes from German reviews of "Lightbulb Sun" on the >front. >> > > > >> > > > The additional CD tracks are : >> > > > 1. Buying New Soul - edit (taken from the forthcoming album >"Recordings") >> > > > 2. Pure Narcotic (from "Stupid Dream") >> > > > 3. Tinto Brass - live at Southampton (taken from the "Pure Narcotic" >CD >> > > > single) >> > >> > Now, I haven't got my own copy of _Lightbulb Sun_ yet but it >> > sounds as if as long as I can get hold of a `Pure Narcotic' single which >I >> > think I still can, it sounds as if there's no reason to buy this version >> > if I'm going to get _Recordings_. Which until I see a tracklist I'm not >> > sure if I am, given I must have a lot of the stuff already. Grr. >> > >> > > > The "Recordings" album is due later in the year and is a collection >of EP >> > > > tracks and 3 previously unissued tracks, all from the Stupid >> > > > Dream/Lightbulb Sun era. >> > >> > "Darker and more experimental", according to Steven Wilson. >Well, >> > if we're talking, what, `Ambulance Chasing', `Oceans have No Memory', >`In >> > Formaldehyde', `Disappear', `Novak', `A Cure for Optimism', `Untitled', >> > this new `Buying New Soul' and two more, I'd have to concede that the >> > description's right from what we've heard but it doesn't sound, well, >very >> > exciting, does it? Or am I just not anticipating it as a unit very >> > well? Ah well, they've turned out an awful lot just lately, I can't >argue >> > with the quantity at least. Just some thoughts, anyway, yours, >> > Jon >> > >> > ObCD: New York Gong - _About Time_ > From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Jan 30 19:15:46 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:15:46 +0100 Subject: [OT] Roger Waters "In The Flesh" (was: HW: family tree tracklist) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > >np: Roger Waters, "In The Flesh" >Is this worth getting? I saw one of the shows in the States last year. To be >honest I only went 'cos I was in San Antonio for a few days and purely by >chance discovered RW was playing there, and as a lapsed fan of the old >Floyd stuff I thought there were probably worse ways to spend an evening in >a foreign city. (Also, I'd always been curious to see a big American stadium >show, although the arena wasn't *that* big as it turned out). I wish good ol' Roger would tour in Europe a little bit (it's the only way to see some Floyd live as the Gilmour-troupe is doing anything but making music). >Anyway I hought the show was excellent, exceeded my expectations, but >whether it >would work without the visuals (i.e. as a live album) I don't know. What say >you? I haven't seen the live-shows so I can't comment on how good the CD reflects the concerts, but it's rather good on its own IMO. The selection of songs is very well-balanced: a lot from the "classic" Floyd-albums (DsoTM, WYWH, Animals, Wall, tFC and even "Set the Control for the Heart of the Sun") as well as songs from Roger's solo-albums (especially from "Amused to Death"). There's also a new song ("Each Small Candle") on it. The sound quality is very good, but the mix isn't the best IMO: the vocals are too much in the front, whereas the instruments (especially synths/keys and bass) are too much in the back. The performance of the band is very good, as you've already said. Roger mustered an interesting little band around him. Some of the classic PF songs (such as "Shine On..." or "Wish You Were Here") work very well without Gilmour much to my surprise. I rate this album higher than anything put out by the the "real" Pink Floyd in the last decade, but I only listened to it thrice yet (I bought it yesterday) so this opinion my of course change. There's also a DVD BTW. (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 30 19:53:40 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:53:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: the real sounds of Earth and space Message-ID: Came across this site which might be of interest to folks here: http://www.auroralchorus.com I'm tempted to order the CD. -- Nick Medford From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Jan 30 23:09:55 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:09:55 EST Subject: HW: Hawkestra Track List (repeat performance) Message-ID: Hello, I saw this track list back in October, but had lost it in my email history folder. I posted if anyone remembered it, and don't think anyone did. well, I just completed a successful search on the archives and found the track list I was looking for and thought it was worth repeating here. Apologies for those who already have this. bob Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:00:28 +0200 From: Andreas Stuewe Subject: HW: Hawkestra Track List Now here it comes: (Not sure bout the line-ups though - any additions/Corrections welcome!) HASSAN I SAHBA/SPACE IS THEIR -Brock/Davey/Chadwick/House/Blake ASSAULT AND BATTERY/GOLDEN VOID -Brock/Davey/Chadwick/House/Blake ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA -Brock/Davey/Chadwick/House/Blake/tree Bainbridge Solo/FREEFALL -Bainbridge WAGE WAR -Tree/Bainbridge/? SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT -Swindells/Thompson/Lloyd-Langton/Davey/Blake ROCKY PATHS -Swindells/Thompson/Lloyd-Langton/Davey/Blake MOONGLUM -Swindells/Thompson/Lloyd-Langton/Davey/Blake WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME -Turner/Swindells/Blake ANGELS OF DEATH -Brock/Lloyd-Langron/Davey/Blake/Thompson/Turner ? -Brock solo with pre-recorded tapes SPIRIT OF THE AGE -Blake/Brock/Chadwick/Swindells/Tree PSI POWER -Blake/Brock/Chadwick/Swindells/Tree/Richards MOTORWAY CITY -Blake/Brock/Chadwick/Swindells/Tree/Richards HURRY ON SUNDOWN/ONLY DREAMING -Crimble/Ollis/Lloyd-Langton/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar LIGHTHOUSE -Blake/Davey/Chadwick (later joined by Brock) RIGHT TO DECIDE -Blake/Davey/Chadwick/Brock/Richards SPUTNIK STAN -Blake/Davey/Thompson/Brock/Richards/Tree EARTH CALLING -Tree/Blake/Dettmar/DikMik YOU SHOULDN?T DO THAT -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS -Kilminster/Davey/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/House/Chadwick 10 SECONDS OF FOREVER -Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake SPACE IS DEEP -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick FORGE OF VULCAN -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick BRAINSTORM -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick SONIC ATTACK -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE -Fox/Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick BORN TO GO -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick ORGONE ACCUMULATOR -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick SILVER MACHINE -Fox/Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick EJECTION -Kilminster/Brock/Turner/DikMik/Dettmar/Blake/Chadwick/Thompson/LLoyd-Langton/ Tree Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Wed Jan 31 00:50:07 2001 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:50:07 -0600 Subject: HW: Song refs Message-ID: Yes, it was an "introduction" to a volume of Asimov's work that I was reading where Isaac gave the credit to Campbell. Sorry I can't remember the exact title, but I've read so many of them now... Great stuff! Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Eric Siegerman To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Song refs >Yah, as editor of Astounding/Analog, Campbell did a lot of that. >As well as, to paraphrase Asimov (in reference to himself), >"recognizing the latent talent in the writer of a hopeless first >story". > >The thing is, since the Laws of Robotics thing was presumably a >private conversation, the fact that we know about it says one of >them spilled the beans. To me, the important question is, which >one? I doubt it was Campbell ("Isaac says he invented the >things, but they're *mine*!"); from what I've read of Campbell, >that wasn't his style. So it must have been Asimov, giving >credit where it was due. > >On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 07:57:59AM -0600, Bryan Young wrote: >> It was John W. Campbell who basically gifted the 3 Laws to Asimov, but >> Asimov is almost universally credited with it. >> >> Bryan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bwaje >> To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu >> Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:23 AM >> Subject: Re: HW: Song refs >> >> >> >Good work on the origins of songs! >> >Two remarks so far : >> >Robot's laws are not from Asimov, but someone (I will try to remember who >> >he was) who 'gave' the idea to Asimov. >-- > >| | /\ >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com >| | / >Interviewer: You've been looking at the stars all your life: >Is there anything in astrology? >Arthur C. Clarke: It's utter nonsense. But I'm a Sagittarius, >so I'm naturally skeptical. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 31 05:30:20 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:30:20 -0000 Subject: OT: Motorhead CD Message-ID: If anyone's interested, HMV are currently selling the Best of Motorhead (2CD set) for a mere ?8.99. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 31 08:18:57 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:18:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: VH Message-ID: Theo wrote: > Ya know, whilst Dave might be the ultimate r'n'r putz, he definitely seemed to > fit the group... Yep. And the group complemented Dave's "talent" too. Even though he went out and got a shredder like Steve Vai to play on his first solo albums, it was never as good as his VH days. Brian From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Jan 31 08:47:51 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:47:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Interview (a little comment, here) In-Reply-To: <200101302105.QAA23533@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Grakkl (FAA) wrote: > P.S. Little comment here about the excellent Scott H.-Lemmy interview on > www.aural-innovations.com? Yes it was very interesting- especially when he reminisced about his pre-HW days and his dealings with the record industry (and his comment about the guy from SONY and Mariah Carey was hilarious!) >From the interview: >(We had quite a diversion here and Lemmy gave his opinions about gourmet >cooking, modern art, and wine. Quite some good laughs.) I would have loved to have seen this info included as a sidebar or printed separately as a second part to the interview. Lemmy on modern art! :-) Brian From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jan 31 09:10:07 2001 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:10:07 -0000 Subject: OFF: VH Message-ID: > > Yep. And the group complemented Dave's "talent" too. Even though he went out > and got a shredder like Steve Vai to play on his first solo albums, it was > never as good as his VH days. Hey, I know I'm rapidly losing all credibility I might ever have had here, but I loved Eat 'em and Smile... Dave does jazz - what he always did best IMHO... Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 31 08:12:02 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:12:02 EDT Subject: OFF: Lemmy Interview (a little comment, here) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 31 Jan 01, at 8:47, Brian Halligan wrote: > From the interview: > >(We had quite a diversion here and Lemmy gave his opinions about > >gourmet cooking, modern art, and wine. Quite some good laughs.) > > I would have loved to have seen this info included as a sidebar or > printed separately as a second part to the interview. Lemmy on modern > art! :-) His views might surprise you. Apart from his image, Lem's a pretty intellectual, self-educated guy who's a voracious reader--kinda like Neil Peart! theo From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 31 16:21:18 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:21:18 +0000 Subject: [OT] Roger Waters "In The Flesh" (was: HW: family tree tracklist) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010131004327.0336d0b0@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: In message <5.0.2.1.0.20010131004327.0336d0b0 at kommsrv.rz.unibw- muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht writes >Hi, > >I wish good ol' Roger would tour in Europe a little bit (it's the only way >to see some Floyd live as the Gilmour-troupe is doing anything but making >music). I know passions run high on this issue, but I'm one of those who feel the band should have ended after Roger's departure. I think the subsequent history of "Pink Floyd" has done a great disservice to the band and their legend (though probably not to their bank balances). And what I've heard of their post-Final Cut output has been mediocre at best. That said, I did actually see them live in the late 80s, before I had really made my mind up about this, and because I wanted to see a Floyd show at least once in my life. But actually, despite all the pyrotechnics and inflatables etc., it wasn't as good as either of the Waters shows I've seen (I saw the Pros and Cons tour in '84 too), because at Roger's shows the films and special effects and so on are very thoughtfully put together, whereas his former colleagues just put on a big but artless show. > >>Anyway I hought the show was excellent, exceeded my expectations, but >>whether it >>would work without the visuals (i.e. as a live album) I don't know. What say >>you? > >I haven't seen the live-shows so I can't comment on how good the CD >reflects the concerts, but it's rather good on its own IMO. The selection >of songs is very well-balanced: a lot from the "classic" Floyd-albums >(DsoTM, WYWH, Animals, Wall, tFC and even "Set the Control for the Heart >of the Sun" Aha! I was hoping 'Set The Controls' would be on it. That was the highlight for me. >) as well as songs from Roger's solo-albums (especially from >"Amused to Death"). There's also a new song ("Each Small Candle") on it. >The sound quality is very good, but the mix isn't the best IMO: the vocals >are too much in the front, whereas the instruments (especially synths/keys >and bass) are too much in the back. >The performance of the band is very good, as you've already said. Roger >mustered an interesting little band around him. Some of the classic PF >songs (such as "Shine On..." or "Wish You Were Here") work very well >without Gilmour much to my surprise. Yeah, I was impressed by the way the guitarists played the songs in an authentic way without ever trying to just copy Gilmour's style. Especially as I thought Eric Clapton was trying too hard to sound like DG on 'Pros and Cons'. > I rate this album higher than anything >put out by the the "real" Pink Floyd in the last decade, Well, that's not saying too much by my reckoning, Still, you make it sound good. Thanks for the response. -- Nick Medford From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Jan 31 16:42:41 2001 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Bl@ck) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:42:41 -0000 Subject: [OT] Roger Waters "In The Flesh" (was: HW: family tree tracklist) Message-ID: As a long-time fan of Pink Floyd, I think its fair to say that Roger has certainly been more creative than his ex-colleagues since 1984. I don't care much for Pros and Cons, and Radio Chaos was only marginally better, but I do think he hit on something with Amused to Death. A Momentary Lapse of Reason is a good listen though, and I loved it at the time. Sure, half of it is written by non-Floyds, and if it is a forgery, its a bloody good one. But the Division Bell was, for the most part, truly awful. Bad unimaginitive playing, poor production, lousy songs and lyrics that are almost embarassingly bad, when you think what the 70's Floyd were capable of. I did see them live at Earl's Court in 1994, and I thought it was a wonderful show. But when you listen to the live tapes, its blindingly obvious that Gilmour's heart just isn't in it anymore. Captain Bl at ck ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Roger Waters "In The Flesh" (was: HW: family tree tracklist) > In message <5.0.2.1.0.20010131004327.0336d0b0 at kommsrv.rz.unibw- > muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht MUENCHEN.DE> writes > >Hi, > > > >I wish good ol' Roger would tour in Europe a little bit (it's the only way > >to see some Floyd live as the Gilmour-troupe is doing anything but making > >music). > > I know passions run high on this issue, but I'm one of those who feel the > band should have ended after Roger's departure. I think the subsequent > history of "Pink Floyd" has done a great disservice to the band and their > legend (though probably not to their bank balances). And what I've heard > of their post-Final Cut output has been mediocre at best. > > That said, I did actually see them live in the late 80s, before I had really > made my mind up about this, and because I wanted to see a Floyd show at > least once in my life. But actually, despite all the pyrotechnics and > inflatables etc., it wasn't as good as either of the Waters shows I've seen (I > saw the Pros and Cons tour in '84 too), because at Roger's shows the films > and special effects and so on are very thoughtfully put together, whereas his > former colleagues just put on a big but artless show. > > > > >>Anyway I hought the show was excellent, exceeded my expectations, but > >>whether it > >>would work without the visuals (i.e. as a live album) I don't know. What say > >>you? > > > >I haven't seen the live-shows so I can't comment on how good the CD > >reflects the concerts, but it's rather good on its own IMO. The selection > >of songs is very well-balanced: a lot from the "classic" Floyd-albums > >(DsoTM, WYWH, Animals, Wall, tFC and even "Set the Control for the Heart > >of the Sun" > > Aha! I was hoping 'Set The Controls' would be on it. That was the > highlight for me. > > >) as well as songs from Roger's solo-albums (especially from > >"Amused to Death"). There's also a new song ("Each Small Candle") on it. > >The sound quality is very good, but the mix isn't the best IMO: the vocals > >are too much in the front, whereas the instruments (especially synths/keys > >and bass) are too much in the back. > >The performance of the band is very good, as you've already said. Roger > >mustered an interesting little band around him. Some of the classic PF > >songs (such as "Shine On..." or "Wish You Were Here") work very well > >without Gilmour much to my surprise. > > Yeah, I was impressed by the way the guitarists played the songs in an > authentic way without ever trying to just copy Gilmour's style. Especially as > I thought Eric Clapton was trying too hard to sound like DG on 'Pros and > Cons'. > > > I rate this album higher than anything > >put out by the the "real" Pink Floyd in the last decade, > > Well, that's not saying too much by my reckoning, Still, you make it sound > good. Thanks for the response. > > -- > Nick Medford From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Jan 31 17:16:23 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:16:23 +0100 Subject: [OT] Roger Waters "In The Flesh" (was: HW: family tree tracklist) In-Reply-To: <001701c08bce$bdbedd20$fc1528d5@starfield> Message-ID: Hi, >As a long-time fan of Pink Floyd, I think its fair to say that Roger has >certainly been more creative than his ex-colleagues since 1984. I totally agree. Roger has always been the real mastermind and driving force (since Syd was sacked of course) behind PF IMO and you can feel that he still has "the right stuff". And as Nick mentioned in his mail the band should have disbanded after the "Final Cut". The current incarnation is only an uninspired money-making machine led by Gilmour. >A Momentary Lapse of Reason is a good listen though, and I loved it at the >time. Sure, half of it is written by non-Floyds, and if it is a forgery, its >a bloody good one. But the Division Bell was, for the most part, truly >awful. Bad unimaginitive playing, poor production, lousy songs and lyrics >that are almost embarassingly bad, when you think what the 70's Floyd were >capable of. ACK. I think DB is a bit better than AMLOR ("High Hopes" isn't a bad song) but compared with their other output it's just bad. And the name Pink Floyd on those last albums is misleading IMO, it's more of Gilmour-solo with a bit of Nick "regressed to dum-da" Mason and Rick "catatonic" Wright with lots of hired unconcerned backing musicians. There's just no magic in it. >I did see them live at Earl's Court in 1994, and I thought it was a >wonderful show. But when you listen to the live tapes, its blindingly >obvious that Gilmour's heart just isn't in it anymore. Yup. The massive amount of gadgets, pyrotechnics and a huge lightshow is just their way of compensating their musical shortcomings. It is overwhelming if you witness it live, but in hindsight you will notice it ("Pulse" is a very good example). (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed Jan 31 18:36:13 2001 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:36:13 -0500 Subject: Wow San Fransisco Set List Message-ID: 1-30-01 Slims San Fransisco ETI Dance on Stilts Harvester of Eyes Subhuman Joan Crawford Cities BFYou Now is the Time Tak(e) Me Away Flaming T's ME-262 Last Days Lips In The Hills Pocket Zilla Reaper ----------- D&Submission R&Black From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Wed Jan 31 16:05:14 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:05:14 -0000 Subject: OFF:VDGG Box Message-ID: David Hall opined: Message-ID: A>ACK. I think DB is a bit better than AMLOR ("High Hopes" isn't a bad song) >but compared with their other output it's just bad. And the name Pink Floyd >on those last albums is misleading IMO, it's more of Gilmour-solo with a >bit of Nick "regressed to dum-da" Mason and Rick "catatonic" Wright with >lots of hired unconcerned backing musicians. There's just no magic in it. Oh, come now, their stuff compares reasonably well to... um.... Rick's "Summer '69" on AHM. > And as Nick mentioned in his mail the band >should have disbanded after the "Final Cut". The irony of this statement on a BOC mailing list with Albert on it is, um.... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Sun Jan 28 03:25:49 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:25:49 -0500 Subject: Fw: HW:TotalRock Message-ID: Hi, The DOOM & CO show is normally repeated early on Sunday mornings. I managed to video the show via Sky Digital channel 950. The video consists of a blue information screen with alternating information messages but at least I have got the music onto a UK type video. The sound quality is probably better than reasonable, not fantastic. This could be the strangest audio recording I have ever done. Anybody got any ideas how I could convert it down to an audio cassette as my car is not fitted with a video player. Mark