From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Dec 1 00:30:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:30:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Abunai! interview Message-ID: Hi there.. Just a note that those who know/enjoy Abunai! might want to take a gander here at a good interview with them... http://www.kdvs.org/exp/kdviations/summer2001/abunai!.html and note that anyone who lives close enough to Sacramento/Davis, CA might want to tune into KDVS 90.3FM whenever Brian Faulkner ("Nothing Exceeds Like Excess" - perhaps either Mondays at midnight-2AM or 6-9 PM Sunday I'm not sure) is on...his musical tastes seem to be spot on for folks 'round here. Grakkl (FAA) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 1 07:42:51 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:42:51 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcement (December 1, 2001): We've just uploaded a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. See the playlist below. BIG NEWS: Copenhagen Space Rock Festival 2002 Loppen, Christiania, Denmark Sat. March 23rd (18:00 until 05:00) Featuring: Dark Sun, DarXtar, Mantric Muse, The Spacious Mind, Gas Giant, and Psuedo Sun. Don't miss a rare unique opportunity to see these amazing bands. For more information email spacerockdk at hotmail.com. Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (Show #39) Krom Lek - "Earth Jam" (from Collective Conscious) Electric Orange - "Hydrat" (from Abgeaufen!) Friends Of Mescalito - "Dream From Poon Hill" (from Nagual Music For Tonal People) Hermanos Guzanos - "Death Train" (from UFO Executives) Verde - "L?hi?ilmaa" (from Osta Oma Tampere Saat Kaupan P??lle Helssingin) Mikhail Atom -AstroEpos Part 3 (from AstroEpos) Fooz - "Cool Guys" (from Fooz) Melic - "Hey Thatz Good" (from Melic) Ohm - Club Nowhere performance, 11/29/97 (from Raw Ohm) Einstein's Secret Orchestra - "Sex In Another Dimension" (from Sex In Another Dimension) Smokin Granny - "Tethered Sky...Skewed Wisdom" (from Tarth Shooke) Joshua Charles - "The Start" (from A Positive Flow) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. Be sure and check out our online mail order catalog for all kinds of space rock and related CDs. http://www.aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Dec 1 16:52:20 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:52:20 EST Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/01 10:08:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: > I'll second that, it's up there with Space Ritual and Magma Live (Hhai) - > yes I'm a Magma fan, though not a REAL Magma fan, as I only have 4 versions > of Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh in my library... > > Stephan > Is this different than a Magma double-LP titled "Live", released in '75 on a small European label? It's still their only album I have...I like it...but still wonder how representative it is? I actually had a cassette of...oh, there goes my memory again...that '76 studioo album...but it kicked the bucket real quick... thanks, Chuck From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 1 18:52:15 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:52:15 -0000 Subject: OFF:Re: George Harrison R.I.P. Message-ID: George Harrison - what can I say. My earliest memories are from 67 - being pushed around in a pram. His, and Peter Green's guitar licks are etched in there. His approach to life and fame etc. should be an inspiration to all. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Von Bargen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 30 November 2001 13:13 Subject: OFF:Re: George Harrison R.I.P. >George's death is very sad. As a fellow scouser, I just wonder how the >media will treat this in comparison to John Lennon's death a few years >ago. >George was obviously not as high profile as John and didn't contribute >quite as many songs to the world. However, he did live most of his post >Beatles life with a dignity that JL probably would not have even >recognised. I just wonder how much that attack in his home a couple of >years ago contributed to the accelerated decline of his health. > >Coincidentally, it was reported recently in our local press that his >attacker, Michael Abram, may potentially be released very soon - usual >stories of how society and the medical system have failed him. Knowing >the background it is another case of a person and their close community >looking to blame everybody else for something that they, themselves, are >responsible for. >George's death demonstrates that society and the medical system will >still fail you eventually, no matter how much money you have. > >Respect, > >Mark > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 2 07:23:00 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:23:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! In-Reply-To: <200110162351.TAA08418@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 06:35:05PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 06:35:05PM -0400, K Henderson typed out: > JJ recalls from the distant past... :) > > >> Yep. I like "Sprawl" the best, though haven't heard them all. The Live > >> album Doug mentions would be my second recommendation. The early albums, > >> like "Inner Marshland" and "Triptych" are pretty muddily recorded, so > >> consider that if it's important to you. > > > > I should say of course that of the few Frond albums I have > >_Triptych_ is undeniably my favourite because of `Tangerine Infringement > >Beak' and `Hey Joe'... :-) > > I was mistaken when I mentioned "Triptych"...the one I was actually thinking > of was "Miasma." I don't actually own "Triptych" so I can't comment on it. Ah, well, there I agree with you, _Miasma_ is really quite muddy thoigh the new remaster CD may help with this. Two or tree great songs on there but not an essential Frond release before the albums that were mentioned, all that time ago :-) > > I'd also be interested in opinions of the Fred Bison V stuff. > > I think Doug posted about it after I had asked, so perhaps you'll come > across that message next month some time. :) I came across it at the time but though it said what it was it didn't really say whether it was any good or not... Also, though I place great faith in Doug's opinions I also still have a copy of his trade tape ere which suggests that his and my tastes do not *completely* coincide so I was hoping, as I said, for opinions, plural :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Monster Magnet - _Superjudge_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 2 07:39:07 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:39:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! In-Reply-To: <144.32e1e07.28fe235d@aol.com>; from Hawkwinder@AOL.COM on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:57:17PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:57:17PM -0400, Bob Lennon typed out: > Dr. Frond is seriously worth checking out. > More straightforward than Bevis Frond but still smokin Sorry, I've missed something here: what is this Dr. Frond? A Bevis splinter or something unrelated? Yours, Jon ObCD: On Trial - _Head Entrance_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 2 08:10:13 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:10:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence In-Reply-To: <200110180828.EAA21990@listserv.spc.edu>; from jasret@MINDSPRING.COM on Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:28:44AM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:28:44AM -0400, Doug Pearson typed out: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:23:07 EDT, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > >wow...no mention (that i've seen) of the re-issue of Motorhead's 'no sleep > >'til hammersmith'...17 previously unreleased tracks? > > The one I saw in the store (copyright 2001) had 3 bonus tracks, 2 > previously unreleased (the other was the live B-side version of "Over the > Top"). I have seen this, though not yet acquired it. However, the details, which I got from , which is the relevant page of the label, Metal-Is's homepage, go like this: ----begin included text---- METAL-IS... MOTORHEAD Motorhead, Lemmy's enduring HM warhorse, have their classic 'No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith' reissued on the Metal-Is / Sanctuary Records label on Monday, October 8th 2001. This 2 CD collection features the entirety of the original 'No Sleep' album, plus a bonus CD of eleven previously unreleased recordings from the same tour. The album has been remastered under the auspices of 'Fast' Eddie Clarke himself. Live albums seldom carry much cachet - but 'No Sleep' is recognised as one of the all-time great in-concert recordings, capturing the definitive Motorhead line-up of Lemmy, 'Fast' Eddie and Phil 'thy Animal' Taylor in all their amphetamine majesty. Several of the band's signature tracks - 'Ace of Spades', 'Bomber', 'Overkill', and 'Motorhead' itself feature on this heaviest of live recordings, sounding as vital and hypercharged as ever. Motorhead celebrated their twenty-fifth anniversary in the year 2000, a quarter century of unrefined, unalloyed mayhem, and Metal-Is / Sanctuary celebrated it with the chart-bound double 'Best Of'. The new and improved 'No Sleep' looks to the future whilst celebrating their illustrious past. Disk 1 1. Ace Of Spades 2. Stay Clean 3. Metropolis 4. The Hammer 5. Iron Horse/Born To Lose 6. No Class 7. Overkill 8. (We Are) The Roadcrew 9. Capricorn 10. Bomber 11. Motorhead Bonus Tracks 12. Over The Top 13. Shoot You In The Back 14. Jailbait 15. Leaving Here 16. Fire Fire 17. Too late Too Late 18. Bite The Bullet/The Chase is Better Than The Catch. [Editor's note: some of these, I forget exactly which, were on the 7" EP which came with the 3LP version of the _Best Of_ from the same label; but if you got it on CD no duplication is involved] Disk 2 1. Ace Of Spades 2. Stay Clean 3. Metropolis 4. The Hammer 5. Capricorn 6. No Class 7. (We Are) The Roadcrew 8. Bite The Bullet/The Chase Is Better Than The Catch 9. Overkill 10. Bomber 11. Motorhead ----end included text---- So that's the one Rob's talking about, I don't know what Doug's version is. There are, by the way, Real Audio clips of all tracks on the page. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 2 09:35:27 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:35:27 EST Subject: OFF: Motorhead/deafening silence Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2001 8:10:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > > [Editor's note: some of these, I forget exactly which, were on the > 7" EP which came with the 3LP version of the _Best Of_ from the same > label; but if you got it on CD no duplication is involved] > > this is not true. none of these versions duplicate any of the 'new' live stuff on the 'best of'. bobm From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Dec 2 14:13:14 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:13:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Pix Wanted Message-ID: Tour Pix - Help Needed : We still need some quality pix from the recent tour ! If you have any, please post them to Hawkpix at Cy-B.ORG (We need a few from each venue ideally) Full credit will be given if they are used on Mission Control, and those that don't make it may be even be entered into the members gallery in the HW passport holders lounge in the new site that is currently being developed. *Please* limit your e-mails (plus attachments) to under 1mb each, but submit as many as you want - we will colour correct/optimise/resize them so just send them as they are (jpg/jpeg ideally) !! Please mention the photographer's name and the venue at which they were taken. Thanx Rx From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Dec 2 15:21:34 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:21:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: Seconded on the muddiness and non-essential nature of Miasma. I think it was the first Bevis Frond album (1987), maybe it originated as a lo-fi budget recording. Other album of theirs worth checking out is New River Head (1991) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:23:00 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: <> > Ah, well, there I agree with you, _Miasma_ is really quite muddy >thoigh the new remaster CD may help with this. Two or tree great songs on >there but not an essential Frond release before the albums that were >mentioned, all that time ago :-) > From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Dec 2 15:28:41 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:28:41 -0500 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: I just read in the Oct 2001 issue of Mojo ("I'm a slow reader, in I?") that there is a connection between John Perry, lead guitarist with the wonderful Only Ones, and Hawkwind. Anyone know what this connection is? This comes from the review of "100 Punk scorchers", a subjective Top 100 of punk rock singles. The Only Ones clock in at number 19 with the sublime "Another Girl, Another Planet". (The title is as space rock as they get, btw): "John Perry was an accomplice of both Hawkwind and the Dead". I would be delighted to have a connection between 2 of my favourite bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) Steve From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Dec 2 15:31:30 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:31:30 -0000 Subject: HW: John Perry In-Reply-To: <200112022028.PAA29872@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: The Dead connection is that he owned one of Garcia's guitars - the one used for the recording of American Beauty IIRC. The guitar was stolen from Perry and has not been seen since. Alasdair On 2 Dec 01, at 15:28, Moonglum . wrote: > I just read in the Oct 2001 issue of Mojo ("I'm a slow reader, in I?") that > there is a connection between John Perry, lead guitarist with the wonderful > Only Ones, and Hawkwind. Anyone know what this connection is? > > This comes from the review of "100 Punk scorchers", a subjective Top 100 of > punk rock singles. The Only Ones clock in at number 19 with the > sublime "Another Girl, Another Planet". (The title is as space rock as > they get, btw): "John Perry was an accomplice of both Hawkwind and the > Dead". I would be delighted to have a connection between 2 of my favourite > bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) > > Steve > From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Dec 2 18:18:57 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:18:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkestra Message-ID: ++Star Warriors Official Hawkestra Portal Onstream at www.hawkestra.info :-} Mission Control Tour Info Updated: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm Support Acts Announced ++Mission Ends From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Dec 2 19:59:11 2001 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:59:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: I have to respectfully disagree here. The original Miasma (1986)was essential on it's own; however now that we have the beautifully remastered Miasma with 7 bonus tracks from the same time period, it is more than essential. It is an incredibly important cd to have and to treasure. I just finally got mine this week for $14.00 including shipping from the Rubric website. Chris Moonglum . wrote: > Seconded on the muddiness and non-essential nature of Miasma. I think it > was the first Bevis Frond album (1987), maybe it originated as a lo-fi > budget recording. > > Other album of theirs worth checking out is New River Head (1991) > > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:23:00 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > > <> > >> Ah, well, there I agree with you, _Miasma_ is really quite muddy >>thoigh the new remaster CD may help with this. Two or tree great songs on >>there but not an essential Frond release before the albums that were >>mentioned, all that time ago :-) >> >> > > From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Dec 2 21:06:51 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:06:51 -0500 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: Crap??? No-one short of a manufactured pre-fab `band' should be considered crap...you may not like them (i don't care for them either),but as a talented group of real musicians they should never be considered as crap. tim Moonglum . wrote: > > I just read in the Oct 2001 issue of Mojo ("I'm a slow reader, in I?") that > there is a connection between John Perry, lead guitarist with the wonderful > Only Ones, and Hawkwind. Anyone know what this connection is? > > This comes from the review of "100 Punk scorchers", a subjective Top 100 of > punk rock singles. The Only Ones clock in at number 19 with the > sublime "Another Girl, Another Planet". (The title is as space rock as > they get, btw): "John Perry was an accomplice of both Hawkwind and the > Dead". I would be delighted to have a connection between 2 of my favourite > bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) > > Steve From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Dec 2 23:11:45 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:11:45 -0500 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: I know where you are coming from Tim, but I added the all-important "IMHO" to my characterisation! Talent is perhaps in the eye of the beholder...IMHO! Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:06:51 -0500, Tim wrote: >Crap??? No-one short of a manufactured pre-fab `band' should be considered >crap...you may not like them (i don't care for them either),but as a talented group >of real musicians they should never be considered as crap. >tim From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Sun Dec 2 23:19:10 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:19:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Chris. I was referring to the original vinyl album, not the CD reissue, as I so notably failed to point out. And I got the year of its' issue wrong, too! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:59:11 -0500, Chris Raymond wrote: >I have to respectfully disagree here. The original Miasma (1986)was >essential on it's own; however now that we have the beautifully >remastered Miasma with 7 bonus tracks from the same time period, it is >more than essential. It is an incredibly important cd to have and to >treasure. I just finally got mine this week for $14.00 including >shipping from the Rubric website. > >Chris > >Moonglum . wrote: > >> Seconded on the muddiness and non-essential nature of Miasma. I think it >> was the first Bevis Frond album (1987), maybe it originated as a lo-fi >> budget recording. >> >> Other album of theirs worth checking out is New River Head (1991) >> >> Steve From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Dec 3 03:40:38 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:40:38 -0000 Subject: HW: John Perry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also, they guy's name is Peter Perret, not John Perry. You must be thinking of John Perry Barlow, Bob Weir's lyricist (and internet guru). Alasdair On 2 Dec 01, at 21:06, Tim wrote: > Crap??? No-one short of a manufactured pre-fab `band' should be considered > crap...you may not like them (i don't care for them either),but as a talented group > of real musicians they should never be considered as crap. > tim > Moonglum . wrote: > > > > I just read in the Oct 2001 issue of Mojo ("I'm a slow reader, in I?") that > > there is a connection between John Perry, lead guitarist with the wonderful > > Only Ones, and Hawkwind. Anyone know what this connection is? > > > > This comes from the review of "100 Punk scorchers", a subjective Top 100 of > > punk rock singles. The Only Ones clock in at number 19 with the > > sublime "Another Girl, Another Planet". (The title is as space rock as > > they get, btw): "John Perry was an accomplice of both Hawkwind and the > > Dead". I would be delighted to have a connection between 2 of my favourite > > bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) > > > > Steve > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 3 04:20:32 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 04:20:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond help! Message-ID: Hey, who's got the (brand new?) live Bevis Frond CD (a show from 1990 IIRC)? I've forgotten the damn title now...two words I think. Anyway, what's on it? How does it compare to the San Fran show? Grakkl (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 3 08:37:49 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:37:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <200110201843.OAA06539@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > I was thinking about this subject, and I'm continually amazed at how RIFE > the Damned are with Hawkwind connections (some mighty tenuous): > * Bassist Paul Gray (ex-Eddie and the Hot Rods) played in UFO ... much > earlier, Larry Wallis played in UFO ... Larry Wallis played on lots of Mick > Farren records ... Mick Farren wrote the lyrics to "Lost Johnny" and was in > the Deviants with Paul Rudolph ... And of course Mr Wallis was in the Pink Fairies, at at least one point with Paul Rudolp and Twink... > > * The second Damned album, 'Music For Pleasure', was produced by Nick Mason > of Pink Floyd. After leaving Pink Floyd, original guitarist Syd Barrett > played two gigs with Stars, featuring Twink on drums ... Twink played in > the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph ... And Twink was in Hawkwind for, um, two gigs :-) Also Nick Mason produced Steve Hillage's _Green_ which certainly features Andy Anderson and may (no-one ever confirmed or denied this for me) feature Nik on one track, and Steve Hillage besides being in Gong with Tim Blake and several people on whose records Nik has appeared (well, Gilli at least), also had one or other of the Twinks (I think the Here'n'Now one) in his band in 1978; and Dave Gilmour of the Floyd mixed `Kerb Crawler' and Snowy White, who played with the Floyd live sometimes, is on the Deep Fix album which features, besides Moorcock, Terry Ollis, Simon House and allegedly Messrs Brock, King & Powell... There must be more (aside from Roy Harper). > * Current Damned bassist (yes, they've had a lot of them) Patricia Morrison > used to play in the Sisters of Mercy (any connections through them that I'm > forgetting about?), and before that, in the Gun Club ... Ward Dotson was > one of the guitarists in the Gun Club (the other was Kid Congo Powers, who > was also briefly in the Cramps) ... after the Gun Club, he was in the > Pontiac Brothers ... one of the other guitarists in the Pontiac Brothers > was Jon Wahl, who later formed Clawhammer and the Amadans ... the drummer > for both those bands was/is Bob Lee, whose other band Backbiter backed > Twink as the "LA Pink Fairies" ... long before that, Twink was in > the "real" Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph (told you some of these were > tenuous!) Only know SoM connection is that they have covered `Silver Machine' live, but that hardly counts. I'm sure there must be a link through people somehow but I don't know it. Possibly through Michael Heaton? But I like the link through anyway... > I couldn't figure out a way to connect the Damned to the Cure for the Andy > Anderson connection. The Sex Pistols will work, though, since before > joining the Pistols, Sid Vicious made his "musical" debut as drummer in > Siouxie and the Banshees, and Robert Smith of the Cure played guitar with > Siouxie for a couple tours in the early 80s. Well, I've given you _one_ way to do it above :-) Yours, Jon n/p: Disarray - `Flies in my Room' -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Mon Dec 3 10:29:11 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:29:11 -0500 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: Sorry, but no... Peter Perrett is the main man of the Only Ones, being their songwriter, vocalist and rhythm guitarist. John Perry, the lead guitarist, is the one with the Hawkwind connection (according to Mojo)... But if it is Peter Perrett who has the HW connection that would be even better! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:40:38 -0000, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: >Also, they guy's name is Peter Perret, not John Perry. You must >be thinking of John Perry Barlow, Bob Weir's lyricist (and internet >guru). > >Alasdair > From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Dec 3 12:38:22 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:38:22 -0000 Subject: HW: John Perry In-Reply-To: <200112031529.KAA02694@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: OK, well fwiw it's *definitely* PP who had the ex-JG guitar. Alasdair On 3 Dec 01, at 10:29, Moonglum . wrote: > Sorry, but no... Peter Perrett is the main man of the Only Ones, being > their songwriter, vocalist and rhythm guitarist. John Perry, the lead > guitarist, is the one with the Hawkwind connection (according to Mojo)... > > But if it is Peter Perrett who has the HW connection that would be even > better! > > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:40:38 -0000, Alasdair Macdonald > wrote: > > >Also, they guy's name is Peter Perret, not John Perry. You must > >be thinking of John Perry Barlow, Bob Weir's lyricist (and internet > >guru). From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 3 14:09:54 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:09:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:37:49 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Only know SoM connection is that they have covered `Silver >Machine' live, but that hardly counts. I'm sure there must be a link >through people somehow but I don't know it. Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission (whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) who formed an association with John Paul Jones- (JPJ played with them, produced them, even acted as a sort of rock-god guru to little Wayne I believe)- and from there you can do the standard Led Zep-Roy Harper-anyone you want (including HW) link. But I don't think there's a more direct link than that, unless there's one through Generation X (a former Gen X-er was briefly in the Sisters I think, don't know who or when, Gen X never interested me and I had lost interest in the Sisters by then). >> I couldn't figure out a way to connect the Damned to the Cure for the Andy >> Anderson connection. The Sex Pistols will work, though Well, you can connect the Damned to the Pistols through Lu Edmunds, who was in Lydon's PiL immediately after his stint with the Damned. Current Damned drummer Pinch was formerly in long-running punk outfit English Dogs, and there may be other connections through them, but again, that's moving away from stuff that interests me so I don't know. Anyway this is a silly game and I don't want to play anymore... but I can't help myself! Stop it both of you! ;) Nick From jmajka2 at HOME.COM Mon Dec 3 14:32:44 2001 From: jmajka2 at HOME.COM (John Majka) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:32:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki/Michael Karoli CD Message-ID: does anyone know of someplace that has the Damo Suzuki/Michael Karoli live CD? I'd like to get a copy.... John Majka jmajka2 at home.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 3 14:43:11 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:43:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: HW: Damned/Sisters/Mission Message-ID: > > Only know SoM connection is that they have covered `Silver > >Machine' live, but that hardly counts. I'm sure there must be a link > >through people somehow but I don't know it. > > Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission > (whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) Sisters of Mercy Bassist Patricia Morrison Married Dave Vanian, and played Bass with the Damned :-) , but left before live covers of Silver machine, as apalling as they are. As for 'The Mission', they are still around, with only members remaining being, Wayne Hussey and Craig Adams(rejoined). Joined my Mark 'Gemini' Thwaite, and a couple of others I forget. In some of the Sisters of Mercy CD Sleeve Notes it suggests Craig Adams was a big Hawkwind Fan. (Craig Adams previously being the Sisters Bassist, as well as Bassist for The Cult, and Live touring Bassist forAlabama3) Mick Brown, now drives trucks for touring rock bands(including oasis), and Simon Hinkler bailed out in 1990, did some solo ambient weird dance stuff and worked as a music journo, and now lives in the USA. The Mission have a new single out called 'Evangeline' and new album. They have released several albums through the 1990s, with little success, mainly because they sucked badly. I believe the new album may be ok, but i'll reserve judgement. Wayne Hussey has a remix arrangement with Cleopatra, so it's not beyond the realms of possibilty he may get asked to remix some Hawkwind, since bands like Astralasia have remixed dodgy goth trash like Gene Loves Jezebel (who once had Julianne Regan as backing Vocalist and Bassist, who went on to form All About Eve with Tim Bricheno, who became a guitarist with the Sisters of Mercy, and Andy Cousin who also Played Bass for The Mission....heh anyone see a pattern emerging) Yes. I Miss Wayne Hussey being so pissed on Blue Nun he forgot the Chords, then the Words, and the time Wayne and Craig got off stage to have a fight with a member of the audience in Newcastle, to the sound of 1300 people chanting 'Wankers' 1986 seems like a long time ago. Sigh. Keeping the Faith. Hmm Even after all these years I can't quite get away from it. LoL. Damn Goths Rich W From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 3 14:48:31 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:48:31 -0600 Subject: OFF:HW:Damned/Sisters/Mission/Genx Message-ID: Genx Forgot: Tony James from Sigue Sigue Sputnik, was probably who were thinking off. He played Bass for the Sisters in the Early 1990's, after he left Tim Bricheno famously commented that the machine kept better time :-) An indirect Hawkwind connection since I saw the Sisters with Tony James, in Leeds Uni Refec, where I saw my first Hawkwind gig in December 89. No prizes for guessing which one was better. Rich W From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Dec 3 15:17:10 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:17:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Magma? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chuck, >Is this different than a Magma double-LP titled "Live", released in '75 on a >small European label? Yup, that's the same. The 7th Records double CD includes bonus tracks btw (Emehnteht Re and a nearly complete MDK). > It's still their only album I have...I like it...but still wonder how > representative it is? I think's its the most accesible of all Magma-albums. It is representative and features both classical "old" stuff like MDK (only as excerpt though) and Kohntarkosz and newer songs (Hhai, Lihns) which lead to the funky-gospel Magma of later albums. The playing is exceptional and it's the nearest thing to a Magma-Best-Of. The only factor not really representative is the violin-playing of Didier Lockwood. As great as it is, it is not part of the typical Magma sound. >I actually had a cassette of...oh, there goes my memory again...that '76 >studioo album...but it kicked the bucket real quick... That would be Udu Wudu. It's not bad, but lacks a bit of focus IMO. The most songs are only 3..5 minutes long, which is very untypical for Magma, and appear more like ideas than "real" complete songs. The exception is "De Futura", a brilliant tour-de-force of Janik Top's bass-playing. BTW, there's a new 165min (!!) DVD which features the whole Trianon concert and a documentation. (c)IAO D+R np: strange sounds made on my new Nord MicroModular From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 3 16:19:07 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:19:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: I see Denis has already answered this pretty much as I have, but I spent all that time typing this out so I'll send it anyway... >>I'll second that, it's up there with Space Ritual and Magma Live (Hhai) - >>yes I'm a Magma fan, though not a REAL Magma fan, as I only have 4 versions >>of Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh in my library... >> (not counting the single version - only 5 minutes long!) >Is this different than a Magma double-LP titled "Live", released in '75 on a >small European label? It's still their only album I have...I like it...but >still wonder how representative it is? That is almost certainly the same one (Utopia records I think)- the double CD reissue on Seventh (not the earlier single CD cut on a different label) is subtitled Hhai though the original vinyl isn't. The 2 CD set has additional material, BUT I have some minor annoyance with the editing/mastering at the track boundaries, not a lot, but enough to make me keep the vinyl around (even if not for the artwork). This release is described as one of Magma's 'most accessible albums' by allmusic.com and that is probably true. If you like it the one closest in sound is probably Kohntarkosz (the song of that name taking up large chunks of both releases) - the other major releases from this period (MDK and Wurdah Itah) have far more of the Wagnerian operatic sound and correspondingly less jazz-fusion. >I actually had a cassette of...oh, there goes my memory again...that '76 >studioo album...but it kicked the bucket real quick... The 76 studio release was Udu Wudu, consisting half of shorter, tighter pieces (including Bernard Paganotti's piece Weidorje), the other half being the all-time classic De Futura. If 'kicking the bucket' means you didn't like it, all hope is not lost as it did differ noticeably from the previous material. But De Futura is a classic piece of heavy-as-hell space-rock, so maybe you're instead talking about the 77 release Attahk, which REALLY differs from all the band's previous output. Stephan P.S. Has anyone heard 'Inedits' and want to describe the sound quality? It's supposedly non-album material from low-sound-quality live tapes - and I'm firmly in the camp that believes good/interesting/unusual content trumps bad sound any day, so I'll likely get this no matter what - but I'd still like to know approximately how bad the sound is! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 3 17:07:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:07:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: Stephan said... >This release (Live) is described as one of Magma's 'most accessible albums' >by allmusic.com and that is probably true. If you like it the one closest in >sound is probably Kohntarkosz (the song of that name taking up large chunks >of both releases) - the other major releases from this period (MDK and Wurdah >Itah) have far more of the Wagnerian operatic sound and correspondingly less >jazz-fusion. > >The 76 studio release was Udu Wudu, consisting half of shorter, tighter >pieces (including Bernard Paganotti's piece Weidorje), the other half being >the all-time classic De Futura. If 'kicking the bucket' means you didn't >like it, all hope is not lost as it did differ noticeably from the previous >material. But De Futura is a classic piece of heavy-as-hell space-rock, so >maybe you're instead talking about the 77 release Attahk, which REALLY >differs from all the band's previous output. Yeah, what's weird is that "Attahk" was the first Magma I ever heard, and I instantly loved it, wacko falsetto vocals and all. "Udu Wudu" was next (to be heard), and it's my favorite Magma album to date. In contrast, I've never taken to "MDK" and feel it might be their least interesting album. Similar response to "Wurdah Itah," which does have some more interesting moments. I do like "Kohntarkosz" a lot though - it's much more of a 'musical' piece. But then recent live performances, that featured stuff from only MDK, WI, Kohntark, and Hhai, were brilliant IMHO, even though it would have been cool to have something from the late 70s added in. I didn't mind so much though. Outstanding band even with it being moreso a "Vander and friends" combo (the friends being Ripper Owens-type tribute band recruits I think) - they really do the material justice, and I wonder if even the 'original' lineup did it as well. But anyway, it is a little strange that I like the jazz fusion-gospel Magma of Udu Wudu and Attahk, given that I'm hardly a jazz fusion or gospel fan (understatement). But Magma is all about weirdness, and this stuff is just too weird to ignore. :) And, as Stephan says, the awesome "De Futura" is a spacerock gem from an alternate universe. Don't forget to find the self-titled 'Weidorje' album, that was the 'Captain Lockheed' of Magma albums (I think you know what I mean by that)...it's darn good too. What's really fun is watching a live video from 1981 Magma that I have (thanks to Karen K.)...by then, Magma had become comically gospel and it looks like something from a religious TV channel here in the states. Previously, D.R. had mentioned... >BTW, there's a new 165min (!!) DVD which features the whole Trianon concert >and a documentation. Well, I gotta get this! Remind me - what's the Trianon concert? I've been confused lately with all the recent live releases of Magma. There are two 3-disc packages that came out this past year, one new (that I have) and one old (that I don't have). Plus, a few other live CDs from the old days, one of which has the live De Futura that one of these days I'll need to get. Is one of these 'Trianon'? Also, can somebody let me in on the DVD regional/encoding system? First off, what's it for (bootlegging prevention or something?) And secondly, what is the situation in Europe relative to the US? Like, if I order this from France or something, will I be able to play it on my simple US (Region 1?) player? I think I've seen some DVD's that say they will play in all regions, but I gather that some/many? are made specifically for one region at the expense of others? I dunno - I figured by now we'd all be past this PAL-NTSC business, but I guess there's always somebody out there who wants to make everything difficult. I'd just like to know what happens if I move to Europe and can't find a player to play my (American) DVD's on...will I need to bring my player too? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. And why didn't they make CDs about a quarter-inch larger in diameter, so that this "double LP-doesn't quite fit onto one disc, so we'll have to either edit it down a few minutes or else sell you two for more money" situation never happened? I mean, really, how much forethought would that have taken? (One of my many pet peeves.) P.P.S. Does anybody else think it's ironic that General Motors is using REO Speedwagon's "Roll with the Changes" in recent commercials, given that they just decided to end the Oldsmobile line a few months ago. Actually, it's doubly ironic (or should I say Dolby ironic?) if you think about the songtitle as well as the band's namesake. P.P.P.S. Who is 'James' on Brock's Memos & Demos? Whose (female) voice is that sampled on there also? P.P.P.P.S. Who are all the people in the photo collage? Let's see...Frank Zappa, Uma Thurman, Bart Simpson, O.J. Simpson, Kurt Cobain?, Dave Brock? (under Mike Tyson), Mona Lisa, R.M. Nixon, J.L. Picard, Mr. Spock, Ali Davey, John Lennon?, Mr. Ed, FDR?, Bill Clinton, Pam Anderson, the 'alien autopsy' corpse, (no, not the same thing) Margaret Thatcher? (in the TV), John Major?, most of Kiss...I dunno, there are a lot of other people here I don't know. Are they UK-specific celebrities? Like the dudes in the front row (guy in black with cross, guy looking like a Mr. Gumby doing a Hitler impersonation, dude with 'Immortal' Tshirt, half-naked guy doing a Freddie Mercury impersonation, dude with acoustic guitar, guy with shades, guy who looks a little bit like Tom Arnold)? None of these people look familiar. I don't recognize any of the videocassettes at the bottom, but I do see 'The Business Trip', 'Alien4' and Nirvana's famous album (can't even remember what it's called). Anybody here in the Stonehenge photo on Page 2? ObDVD: This is Spinal Tap (lots of cool extra scenes) From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Mon Dec 3 20:10:07 2001 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:10:07 +1300 Subject: Cranium Sale continues In-Reply-To: <200112031000.FAA02140@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi all .... just wanted to let you know that as I have managed to get some casual work (sorting mail at the Post Office) the Cranium site has not been updated for a while and the 10% off that was running during Novemeber is still in place. So if there are any titles you are looking for that I may have in stock now is a good time to not only save 10% but also receive FREE postage as well. Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz http://www.cranium-music.com From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 04:49:23 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:49:23 +0000 Subject: OFF:HW:Damned/Sisters/Mission/Genx Message-ID: Rich Warren wrote: > Genx > > Forgot: Tony James from Sigue Sigue Sputnik, was probably who were thinking > off. He played Bass for the Sisters in the Early 1990's, after he left Tim > Bricheno famously commented that the machine kept better time :-) Tim was at the recent Walthamstow gig. Didn't you spot him? :-) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 4 04:56:40 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:56:40 +0800 Subject: OFF: MP3 players Message-ID: Hi Can anyone tell me if any of the MP3-CD Players or DVD Players play MP3's without leaving gaps between tracks, as I've been considering the purchase of a player, but only if I know I can enjoy listening to the tracks without hearing a gap that should not always be there, such as where tracks are either live or linked together? William From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Dec 4 04:42:01 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:42:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Magma? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20011203211907.006f2248@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: Hi Stephan, >P.S. Has anyone heard 'Inedits' and want to describe the sound quality? It's >supposedly non-album material from low-sound-quality live tapes - and I'm >firmly in the camp that believes good/interesting/unusual content trumps bad >sound any day, so I'll likely get this no matter what - but I'd still like >to know approximately how bad the sound is! The sound quality isn't really bad. It's more like some of the Weird Tapes, but definitely _not_ Yuri Gagarin bad. It varies, of course, because all songs were recorded at different places and times. BTW, I only have the vinyl version of that one, so the CD might have a better sound quality. If you like I could put up a short mp3 of one of the songs, so you'll get a better impression (not before the weekend though). (c)IAO D+R From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Dec 4 05:01:02 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:01:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Magma? In-Reply-To: <200112032225.RAA15105@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi Keith, [lots of snippage] >Well, I gotta get this! Remind me - what's the Trianon concert? I've been >confused lately with all the recent live releases of Magma. There are two >3-disc packages that came out this past year, one new (that I have) and one >old (that I don't have). Plus, a few other live CDs from the old days, one >of which has the live De Futura that one of these days I'll need to get. Is >one of these 'Trianon'? The Trianon concert was recorded last year in Paris IIRC. It features the whole Theusz Hamtaahk trilogy and is available on CD in a 3 CD box set. So this would be the new one you mentioned. >Also, can somebody let me in on the DVD regional/encoding system? First >off, what's it for (bootlegging prevention or something?) To secure the sales of European/International branches of US film majors. In Europe most US movies start about half a year later than in the US (LotR will start at the same date everywhere ) and thus DVD sales also will start later. In the meantime many movie-fans will import their films from the US. This of course will harm the sales of the European distributors. Of course this kind of reasoning is utter crap, but that's what the studios say. >And secondly, what is the situation in Europe relative to the US? Like, >if I order this >from France or something, will I be able to play it on my simple US (Region >1?) player? Nope, definitely not. If your player isn't chipped (or you use a software on on your comp) you cannot play films from other regions on it. >I think I've seen some DVD's that say they will play in all >regions, but I gather that some/many? are made specifically for one region >at the expense of others? Yep, some are Region 0 which will play in all players. I don't know if the Magma will be R0, but I'll inform you as soon as I have it. > I'd just like to know what happens if I move >to Europe and can't find a player to play my (American) DVD's on...will I >need to bring my player too? If you don't get a chipped one, you'll have to. Of course than the problem will come up, if your player is able to use the 230V power we use here. (c)IAO D+R From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 05:42:58 2001 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:42:58 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: > >Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission >whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) who >formed an >association with John Paul Jones- (JPJ played with them, >produced them, >even acted as a sort of rock-god guru to little Wayne I believe)- and from >there you can do the standard Led Zep-Roy Harper-anyone you want (including >HW) link. But I don't think there's a more direct link than that, unless >there's one through Generation X (a former Gen X-er was briefly in the >Sisters I think, don't know who or when, Gen X never interested me and I >had lost interest in the Sisters by then). > How about, Wayne Hussey was in SoM with Patricia Morrison as well as the Mission with Craig Adams who was also in the Cult. The Cult used to be known as Southern Death Cult and came from Bradford where they allegedly (don't know how true this is) shared a house with New Model Army in the early eighties. NMA's ex-drummer is Rob Heaton who played in and roadied for Hawkwind for a very short time. Phew! Also, the most obvious Damned/Hawkwind link is the MotorDamned single comprising Lemmy et al. cheers - Rob From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Dec 4 08:03:20 2001 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:03:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: HW: Damned/Sisters/Mission Message-ID: Rich Warren wrote: > Sisters of Mercy Bassist Patricia Morrison Married Dave Vanian, and played > Bass with the Damned :-) , but left before live covers of Silver machine, as > apalling as they are. Patricia Morrison married Dave Vanian??? Oh no, now there's a Doctors of Madness connection. She played with the Damned? Any recordings? She's been somewhat of a heroine to me since I saw her play a Gun Club gig without using her G string. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 08:31:17 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:31:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: HW: Damned/Sisters/Mission Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:03:20 -0500, John McIntyre wrote: >Patricia Morrison married Dave Vanian??? Oh no, now there's a Doctors of >Madness connection. She played with the Damned? Any recordings? Yes, the new album "Grave Disorder"- first new Damned material since 1988- it's a corker. It was mentioned here a few weeks ago- have a trawl through the archives (or just go on this summary: it's very good). From iainferguson at AOL.COM Tue Dec 4 08:34:22 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:34:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: HW: Damned/Sisters/Mission Message-ID: Hi Patricia Morrison is still with the Damned. I saw them 2 weeks ago in newport. I bloody great gig is was as well. The new album is terrific and is called Grave disorder. I suggest that you buy it as her bass playing is top notch as well. If you get the chance go and see them live they are great at this time, very tight, and likley to be upsetting people for some time to come iain John McIntyre wrote: > Rich Warren wrote: > > > Sisters of Mercy Bassist Patricia Morrison Married Dave Vanian, and played > > Bass with the Damned :-) , but left before live covers of Silver machine, as > > apalling as they are. > > Patricia Morrison married Dave Vanian??? Oh no, now there's a Doctors of > Madness connection. She played with the Damned? Any recordings? She's been > somewhat of a heroine to me since I saw her play a Gun Club gig without using > her G string. (-8 > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Tue Dec 4 10:36:39 2001 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:36:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: Inedits (the original LP anyway) is very good quality early material, oddly enough it reminds me a lot of the Amon Duul Phallus Dei........ Jeff From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 11:23:09 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:23:09 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:42:58 +0000, Stuckey, Robert wrote: > How about, Wayne Hussey was in SoM with Patricia Morrison Not concurrently - Ms Morrison was in the "Mk. II" Sisters, after Hussey and Adams had left. as well > as the Mission with Craig Adams who was also in the Cult. The Cult > used to be known as Southern Death Cult and came from Bradford where > they allegedly (don't know how true this is) shared a house with > New Model Army in the early eighties. NMA's ex-drummer is Rob Heaton > who played in and roadied for Hawkwind for a very short time. Phew! Another,less tortuous, link- but one not involving personnel- is that both Hawkwind and the Sisters have recorded covers of "Gimme Shelter". > > Also, the most obvious Damned/Hawkwind link is the MotorDamned single > comprising Lemmy et al. Sure, but we did that one weeks ago, we're onto ridiculously non-obvious links now ;) Check the archives for the full sorry obsessive saga of this discussion! cheers Nick From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 4 11:32:06 2001 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:32:06 EST Subject: OFF:DAMNED/MOTORHEAD ETC Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/2001 11:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > Sure, but we did that one weeks ago, we're onto ridiculously non-obvious > links now ;) > anyone mention the fact that fast eddie clarke produced ex-Damned bassist Algy Ward's band Tank's 1st lp? or that Wurzel played with Algy on the Warhead lp a few years ago? bob m From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 11:41:13 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:41:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Memos and Demos Message-ID: I just got Memos and Demos on Saturday. So far I think this is a cool album. Favourite songs are 'State of Mind' and 'Didn't Have a Problem'. It's got the same sound as Spacebrock but the tunes are more typical I think. Alastair. On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:33:33 -0500, Chris Raymond wrote: >I just got Memo's and Demos last night. I have only heard up to Track 10 so far, >will hear the rest later tonight. I really agree that it is a great CD. I was >surprised that there is so much guitar noise on it and also lots of swooshy >space sounds. I like it much better than Spacebrock (which I also like). There >is a song called State of Mind (instrumental) that is incredible far out space >blanga. I hope that this CD gets a wider audience than just a few of us. it >really desrves it. >Chris > >mark von bargen wrote: > >> It was me, having bought it at Leeds. Go to say that it has been on the >> player more often than Yule Ritual these last two weeks. That could be >> because it has more tunes new to me whereas I already know the vast majority >> of the tunes on Yule Ritual. >> All said, it is a very strong album. I would say that it is Bock's best solo >> effort. >> >> Mark >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick Crook" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: HW: Memos and Demos >> >> > Someone - sorry I forgot who - has already pointed out that this is a >> good album. IMO its a must have, there is plenty of new material on it with >> some real good Brock tunes, and loads of Brock guitar. The previously >> released tracks (eg Clouded Vision) are different to the originals. I reckon >> its on a par with 'Earthed to the ground'. >> > >> > Mick >> > >> > >> > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. >> > >> > -------------------- >> > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at >> http://www.talk21.com From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 11:53:10 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:53:10 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:42:58 +0000, Stuckey, Robert > wrote: > > > How about, Wayne Hussey was in SoM with Patricia Morrison > > Not concurrently - Ms Morrison was in the "Mk. II" Sisters, after Hussey > and Adams had left. At the risk of being pedantic...that was the Mk.IV line up! I. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, John Langford II. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Benn Gunn III. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Wayne Hussey IV. Andrew Eldritch, Patricia Morrison V. Andrew Eldritch, Andreas Bruhn, Tony James, Tim Bricheno VI. Andrew Eldritch, Andreas Bruhn, Adam Pearson VII. Andrew Eldritch, Adam Pearson, Chris Sheehan/Mike Varjak plus a few casualties along the way.....but I wouldn't know anything about that..... Oh yeah, Andy & Craig are both long time Hawkwind & Motorhead fans. Ahem! From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Dec 4 13:00:00 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:00:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: >Outstanding band even with it being moreso a "Vander and friends" combo >(the friends being Ripper Owens-type tribute band recruits I think) Agreed, but then again the 'original' lineup was quite fluid as well, the Vanders being the only constants - just like Hawkwind is whoever is currently playing with Dave... >Don't forget to find the self-titled 'Weidorje' album, that was the 'Captain >Lockheed' of Magma albums (I think you know what I mean by that)...it's darn >good too. Second that! And if you like it, you might want to seek out Bernard Paganotti's solo album 'Paga' as well, and the solo album from Jean-Phillippe Goude (keyboardist for Weidorje) titled 'Drones'. Both discs contain more than a modicum of Magmoidian musical moments, enough to maintain a Magma-nimous mood in the minds of more mellow Magmaphiles. It is rumored that the solo release from Patrick Gauthier (keyboardist for Magma, Weidorje, and that other great French band Heldon) titled 'Bebe Godzilla' similarly satisfies, but I haven't heard that one. And speaking of Heldon, Richard Pinhas contributes to one track on 'Drones'. Stephan From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 4 12:55:52 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:55:52 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: Except the Pat Morrison was never in the Sisters with Wayne Hussey ;-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuckey, Robert" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) > > > >Well, former Sisters man Wayne Hussey had that execrable band The Mission > >whatever happened to them? They were huge in the mid-80s) who > >formed an > >association with John Paul Jones- (JPJ played with them, > >produced them, > >even acted as a sort of rock-god guru to little Wayne I believe)- and from > >there you can do the standard Led Zep-Roy Harper-anyone you want (including > >HW) link. But I don't think there's a more direct link than that, unless > >there's one through Generation X (a former Gen X-er was briefly in the > >Sisters I think, don't know who or when, Gen X never interested me and I > >had lost interest in the Sisters by then). > > > > > How about, Wayne Hussey was in SoM with Patricia Morrison as well > as the Mission with Craig Adams who was also in the Cult. The Cult > used to be known as Southern Death Cult and came from Bradford where > they allegedly (don't know how true this is) shared a house with > New Model Army in the early eighties. NMA's ex-drummer is Rob Heaton > who played in and roadied for Hawkwind for a very short time. Phew! > > Also, the most obvious Damned/Hawkwind link is the MotorDamned single > comprising Lemmy et al. > > cheers - Rob From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 4 12:56:40 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:56:40 -0600 Subject: OFF:HW:Damned/Sisters/Mission/Genx Message-ID: LoL No where was he.....;-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:49 AM Subject: Re: OFF:HW:Damned/Sisters/Mission/Genx > Rich Warren wrote: > > > Genx > > > > Forgot: Tony James from Sigue Sigue Sputnik, was probably who were thinking > > off. He played Bass for the Sisters in the Early 1990's, after he left Tim > > Bricheno famously commented that the machine kept better time :-) > > Tim was at the recent Walthamstow gig. Didn't you spot him? :-) From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 4 13:00:33 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:00:33 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: You forgot Dr Avalanche. ;-) Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barton" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) > Nick Medford wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:42:58 +0000, Stuckey, Robert > > wrote: > > > > > How about, Wayne Hussey was in SoM with Patricia Morrison > > > > Not concurrently - Ms Morrison was in the "Mk. II" Sisters, after Hussey > > and Adams had left. > > At the risk of being pedantic...that was the Mk.IV line up! > > I. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, John Langford > > II. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Benn Gunn > > III. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Wayne Hussey > > IV. Andrew Eldritch, Patricia Morrison > > V. Andrew Eldritch, Andreas Bruhn, Tony James, Tim Bricheno > > VI. Andrew Eldritch, Andreas Bruhn, Adam Pearson > > VII. Andrew Eldritch, Adam Pearson, Chris Sheehan/Mike Varjak > > plus a few casualties along the way.....but I wouldn't know anything about that..... > > Oh yeah, Andy & Craig are both long time Hawkwind & Motorhead fans. > > Ahem! From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 13:03:51 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:03:51 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) In-Reply-To: <3C0CFF76.D13EA63A@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <3C0CFF76.D13EA63A at cinesite.co.uk>, Keith Barton writes >Nick Medford wrote: >> >> Not concurrently - Ms Morrison was in the "Mk. II" Sisters, after Hussey >> and Adams had left. > >At the risk of being pedantic perish the thought that there should be any pedantry in this discussion! ;) >...that was the Mk.IV line up! Well if you're reckoning it like this: > >I. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, John Langford > >II. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Benn Gunn > >III. Andrew Eldritch, Gary Marx, Craig Adams, Wayne Hussey then isn't there another stage in here? They went down to a trio, Gary Marx was the one who left I think > >IV. Andrew Eldritch, Patricia Morrison so that would be Mark V in fact Sorry for being so pedantic ;) I think of it as Mark II because the band was an all-male 3/4 piece then suddenly it was a duo of Eldritch and Patricia M. But have to take your word for the rest, I lost interest after "Floodland". -- Nick Medford From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 13:54:38 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:54:38 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Dec 2001 to 4 Dec 2001 (#2001-450) Message-ID: Robert Sturkey wrote: ----- Original Message ----- [snipped] > Also, the most obvious Damned/Hawkwind link is the MotorDamned single > comprising Lemmy et al. > > cheers - Rob > Of course there is the link that Captain Sensible played guitar on the Inner City Unit Maximum Effect LP. Probably already been mentioned but that LP also offers a link between Hawkwind and that great comedian Max Wall. These connections know no bounds eh!? Mark From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 14:00:18 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:00:18 -0000 Subject: OFF: HW: Damned/Sisters/Mission Message-ID: > Rich Warren wrote: > > > Sisters of Mercy Bassist Patricia Morrison Married Dave Vanian, and played > > Bass with the Damned :-) , but left before live covers of Silver machine, as > > apalling as :hey are. > then John Mcintyre wrote: > Patricia Morrison married Dave Vanian??? Oh no, now there's a Doctors of > Madness connection. She played with the Damned? Any recordings? She's been > somewhat of a heroine to me since I saw her play a Gun Club gig without using > her G string. (-8 > Of course there is the more direct link to Doctors of Madness via Martin Griffin - "I don't wanna work like this no more Ain't no future crawlin on the floor" Mark From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Dec 4 14:07:46 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:07:46 +0000 Subject: OFF:HW:Damned/Sisters/Mission/Genx Message-ID: Rich Warren wrote: > LoL No where was he.....;-) Errrm....watching Hawkwind! From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Tue Dec 4 14:34:53 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:34:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: >>Has anyone heard 'Inedits' and want to describe the sound quality? >The sound quality isn't really bad. It's more like some of the Weird >Tapes, but definitely _not_ Yuri Gagarin bad. It varies, of course, >because all songs were recorded at different places and times. >Inedits (the original LP anyway) is very good quality early material, >oddly enough it reminds me a lot of the Amon Duul Phallus Dei....... Thanks Denis and Jeff, no question I'll pick this up now, especially after the Phallus Dei comparison. Stephan From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 4 16:34:53 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:34:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Followup on Voiceprint Message-ID: Hi Folks... As I was saying last month, the Voiceprint 3 for UKP25 seemed like such a good deal that I went and ordered six discs for 50 quid ($75 or thereabouts). And furthermore, I said that only the print catalogue that came in the regular mail seemed to include the majority of their available titles, as opposed to their website that only had this deal on certain bands, one of them being of course, Hawkwind (F+R). So anyway, of the six I ordered, I got four in the mail today (LLG-Like and Arrow, the Paradogs CD, and Weirds 3 & 4) and a notice saying the other two (Gong-Est Mort and Pink Fairies' KoO) will be along ASAP. For some reason, they were shipped from Copenhagen...wonder why that is? I also wonder why they charged me exactly 50 UKP (according to the receipt)? In one sense, they probably shouldn't have charged me now for two items I didn't receive, but I ain't gonna complain if they don't charge me the 8 UKP I thought I was going to have to pay for the shipping (actual shipping charge not actually stamped on the package, but I assume it was pretty steep with jewel boxes included - only one cracked one! Woo!). Well, anyway, what I was going to say is that they also sent me a new Hawkwind flyer with the 3-fer deals outlined in more detail. Like they've now added Brock's 'Memos & Demos' to the deal, and also a parallel deal for double CD packages (of which there are now four Voiceprint ones - Live 79, Live 82, Atomhenge 76, and Astoria 2K), at 3-for-40UKP, which is 8UKP discount vs. buying them individually at 16 apiece (fractionally similar to the 3-for-25 single disc deal). Also included is all the solo things they have like Calvert-Revenge, Blake (all four), LLG (Night Air, TSLLG, Like an Arrow, and Chain Reaction the new one), and of course, Paradogs, Spacebrock, and the Family Tree comp. But those were all things that were available for me via the flyer I had (as was everything else) without necessarily being part of the 'HW family.' I haven't gone back and looked to see if they've updated the webpage to include these new items, but in any case, it only seemed to be certain to get the 3-fer deals (on non-HW things like Gong and PinkFairies) by using the mail-in order form. And again, you can get one sent to you for free by signing up on the main page there at www.voiceprint.co.uk. First time hearing the Weird 4 set...so far, so good. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. RIP Tommy Bolin, 25 Years On...Dec. 4, 1976...now I'm feeling old. From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 4 17:16:08 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:16:08 +0300 Subject: HW: Followup on Voiceprint Message-ID: > Also included is all the solo things they have like Calvert-Revenge, Blake > (all four) Four?? I thought they never released New Jerusalem. Alisa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 4 17:56:46 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:56:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Followup on Voiceprint Message-ID: >> Also included is all the solo things they have like Calvert-Revenge, Blake >> (all four) > >Four?? I thought they never released New Jerusalem. It's listed, given cat. no. VP212CD (following Magick and Crystal Machine as VP210CD and VP211CD, respectively). I have a New Jerusalem CD that I got years ago, which I'm guessing was a different label then? Were the Voiceprint's then a remastered version, or just to put them back in print again? Grakkl (FAA) From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 4 18:19:40 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:19:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Followup on Voiceprint Message-ID: The Original CD was on French Label Mantra. Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: Followup on Voiceprint > >> Also included is all the solo things they have like Calvert-Revenge, Blake > >> (all four) > > > >Four?? I thought they never released New Jerusalem. > > It's listed, given cat. no. VP212CD (following Magick and Crystal Machine as > VP210CD and VP211CD, respectively). > > I have a New Jerusalem CD that I got years ago, which I'm guessing was a > different label then? Were the Voiceprint's then a remastered version, or > just to put them back in print again? > > Grakkl (FAA) From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Dec 4 20:45:42 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:45:42 +0000 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: Hi ya, > bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) > 99.9% of what I have heard of the Dead is sheer crap, BUT dismiss them at your peril! Anthem To The Sun is an EXCELLENT album, all live(?) and better than 95% of Hawkwind or Pink Floyd, a trully brilliant example of acid plus electric guitars. My guess is that the Dead got famous and had to sell out to a record company. I describe them as a bad country and western band, but Anthem to The Sun shows that at least in the 60s they were GOOD! Unbelevably good. OK I don't know much of the dead, what I've heard I dont like too much but Anthem To The Sun is right up there with Space Ritual, Camenenbert Electrice and The Mad Cap Laugths as best album of all time! Chris -- There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the truth without lying. From chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET Tue Dec 4 21:12:34 2001 From: chris at HAWKLORD.UKLINUX.NET (Chris Gibbs) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:12:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: MP3 players Message-ID: Hi ya, > Can anyone tell me if any of the MP3-CD Players or DVD Players play MP3's > without leaving gaps between tracks, as I've been considering the purchase > of a player, but only if I know I can enjoy listening to the tracks without > hearing a gap that should not always be there, such as where tracks are > either live or linked together? The answer is yes/no, if you mp3 encode one side of an album you will hear it the way it should be. mp3 is audio compression. It is not like *.zip or *.tgz file compression however. When you decompress *.zip or *.tgz files you get exactly what you started with. When you decompress mp3 files you do not get exactly what you started with, you get something that will sound the same as what you started with, and it can be very good, at the sacrifice of file size you can get much better than cd quality from mp3. My guess is that there will always be a start and/or end gap on a track because with mp3 the aim is for good compression. The Mp3 players I've seen are very, very good. If you encode a cd as one track you will hear it as one track. If you encode a vynal album, and you have enougth memory on the player you can get much better than cd quality. Which blows my mind because with mp3 you never get back what you put in, but if you want quality its there. Chris -- There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the truth without lying. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 4 21:42:17 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:42:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Perry Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:45:42 +0000, Chris Gibbs wrote: >> bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) >> > >99.9% of what I have heard of the Dead is sheer crap, BUT dismiss them >at your peril! >Anthem To The Sun is an EXCELLENT album, all live(?) ... The Dead stuff with Tom Constanten on keyboards ('Anthem of the Sun', 'Aoxomoxoa', 'Live Dead', most shows c.68) is near-uniformly excellent IMHO. And I'm NOT a Dead fan. (But I believe that not ALL of 'Anthem of the Sun' is live, and the live parts which are there were spliced together from bits and pieces of different performances ... almost like the John Oswald "Dark Star" cutup album.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Dec 5 00:00:06 2001 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:00:06 -0600 Subject: HW: John Perry Message-ID: It's hard to judge the GD by their albums. They never really captured the feel of their live performances on album, which is really what they were all about. Best show I saw (out of 12 or so) was in the desert in Las Vegas where they improvised along with a thunderstorm which suddenly appeared out of nowhere amid 100 degree heat and sun. Everyone was awestruck, trippin or not, not only by the thunderstorm, but how they wove the surroundings and events into the music as they went. And it did not resemble anything/ like a county and western band (Terrapin Station - country??), nor did they ever live. They were great at improvisation, and no two concerts were ever alike. Acid blues jazz plus a touch of country here and there maybe, Guess you have to be in the right frame of mind to like them As a side not, what was really disturbing was watching of some of the "deadheads" trying act like hippies at the show, then seen gambling at the casinos, then changing their tye dyes for "normal" clothes for the ride home in their BMW's. Some of the fanbase was quite a contradiction and humorous in a strange kind of way. Oh well....must've been tripp'n. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gibbs" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: HW: John Perry > Hi ya, > > > > bands, if one really exists! (Not the Dead - they're crap, IMHO!) > > > > 99.9% of what I have heard of the Dead is sheer crap, BUT dismiss them > at your peril! > Anthem To The Sun is an EXCELLENT album, all live(?) and better than 95% > of Hawkwind or Pink Floyd, a trully brilliant example of acid plus > electric guitars. > > My guess is that the Dead got famous and had to sell out to a record > company. I describe them as a bad country and western band, but Anthem > to The Sun shows that at least in the 60s they were GOOD! Unbelevably > good. OK I don't know much of the dead, what I've heard I dont like > too much but Anthem To The Sun is right up there with Space Ritual, > Camenenbert Electrice and The Mad Cap Laugths as best album of all time! > > Chris > -- > There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the > truth without lying. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 5 06:21:29 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:21:29 EDT Subject: HW: John Perry In-Reply-To: <3C0D7C45.44854D6@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On 5 Dec 2001, at 1:45, Chris Gibbs wrote: > My guess is that the Dead got famous and had to sell out to a record > company. Nope. The Dead never sold any records, at any time in their career. Their reputation and appeal centered upon their live act. Now, what they can be accused of is pandering to the tastes of their followers, and I think that's what happened in the latter stages of their career. The fans like the trippy, extended stuff that allowed them to dance around--kind of like ambient background noise! The Dead did make piles of money, but it was from playing live concerts, not selling discs... theo From pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Wed Dec 5 07:28:14 2001 From: pwibrew13 at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Peter Wibrew) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:28:14 -0000 Subject: OZRIC TENTACLES at the standard tree structure Message-ID: Hi All, Find below the link to take you to the Structure for the tree of the Standard gig: http://www.geocities.com/pwibrew/standtree With 78 participants its 3 times the size of my one and only other tree, but I think it's worked out OK. All Master Branch discs are now in the post Thank you all for your patience and for taking part, but most of all Thank you to the OZRIC TENTACLES for allowing us to share this wonderful evening Happy listening all the best Peter From coral at APORT.RU Wed Dec 5 08:03:27 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:03:27 +0300 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: Hello! What is the style of Steve Hillage solo works? I'm listening to "L" now and for me it's pure Space Rock. Alisa From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Dec 5 08:59:51 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:59:51 -0700 Subject: HW: John Perry In-Reply-To: <3C0DCAF6.13351.AF63D@localhost> Message-ID: Except for maybe "In The Dark" (which has IMO a very simple but very visually interesting cover) with it's surprising hit single 'Touch Of Grey.' KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Ted Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:21 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: John Perry > > > On 5 Dec 2001, at 1:45, Chris Gibbs wrote: > > > My guess is that the Dead got famous and had to sell out to a record > > company. > > Nope. The Dead never sold any records, at any time in their career. > Their reputation and appeal centered upon their live act. Now, what > they can be accused of is pandering to the tastes of their followers, > and I think that's what happened in the latter stages of their career. > The fans like the trippy, extended stuff that allowed them to dance > around--kind of like ambient background noise! > > The Dead did make piles of money, but it was from playing live > concerts, not selling discs... > > theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 5 09:32:34 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:32:34 +0800 Subject: OFF: MP3 players Message-ID: Hi again Thanks for the info, but I am still none the wiser. When I play MP3 files from CD on my computer some software has a habit of placing a gap between tracks, yet others (such as Winamp) don't. What I was wanting to know the answer to doesn't relate to playing MP3 files on my PC, but on portable MP3-CD Players, as well as DVD Players that also play MP3 files. I'm looking at possibly purchasing one, but don't like the idea of hearing separate tracks that are linked together in some way with a gap in the middle. William > Hi ya, > > > Can anyone tell me if any of the MP3-CD Players or DVD Players play MP3's > > without leaving gaps between tracks, as I've been considering the purchase > > of a player, but only if I know I can enjoy listening to the tracks without > > hearing a gap that should not always be there, such as where tracks are > > either live or linked together? > > The answer is yes/no, if you mp3 encode one side of an album you will > hear it the way it should be. > > mp3 is audio compression. It is not like *.zip or *.tgz file > compression however. > When you decompress *.zip or *.tgz files you get exactly what you > started with. > > When you decompress mp3 files you do not get exactly what you started > with, you get something that will sound the same as what you started > with, and it can be very good, at the sacrifice of file size you can get > much better than cd quality from mp3. > > My guess is that there will always be a start and/or end gap on a track > because with mp3 the aim is for good compression. > > The Mp3 players I've seen are very, very good. If you encode a cd as > one track you will hear it as one track. If you encode a vynal album, > and you have enougth memory on the player you can get much better than > cd quality. Which blows my mind because with mp3 you never get back > what you put in, but if you want quality its there. > > > Chris > -- > There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the > truth without lying. > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 5 09:37:02 2001 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:37:02 +0800 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: Hi Some of the albums are in the same vein, but others aren't. "Rainbow Dome Music" is more floating ambient electronic music, & the more recent System 7 (Known in the USA as 777) recordings are more techno style. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? > Hello! > > What is the style of Steve Hillage solo works? > > I'm listening to "L" now and for me it's pure Space Rock. > > Alisa > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 5 10:33:51 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:33:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: MP3 players Message-ID: There are settings in your CD burning software which usually inserts a 2 second silence between tracks. Alsi some ripping software can add silence to the start and finish of the tracks. C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: OFF: MP3 players > Hi again > > Thanks for the info, but I am still none the wiser. When I play MP3 files > from CD on my computer some software has a habit of placing a gap between > tracks, yet others (such as Winamp) don't. > > What I was wanting to know the answer to doesn't relate to playing MP3 files > on my PC, but on portable MP3-CD Players, as well as DVD Players that also > play MP3 files. I'm looking at possibly purchasing one, but don't like the > idea of hearing separate tracks that are linked together in some way with a > gap in the middle. > > William > > > > Hi ya, > > > > > Can anyone tell me if any of the MP3-CD Players or DVD Players play > MP3's > > > without leaving gaps between tracks, as I've been considering the > purchase > > > of a player, but only if I know I can enjoy listening to the tracks > without > > > hearing a gap that should not always be there, such as where tracks are > > > either live or linked together? > > > > The answer is yes/no, if you mp3 encode one side of an album you will > > hear it the way it should be. > > > > mp3 is audio compression. It is not like *.zip or *.tgz file > > compression however. > > When you decompress *.zip or *.tgz files you get exactly what you > > started with. > > > > When you decompress mp3 files you do not get exactly what you started > > with, you get something that will sound the same as what you started > > with, and it can be very good, at the sacrifice of file size you can get > > much better than cd quality from mp3. > > > > My guess is that there will always be a start and/or end gap on a track > > because with mp3 the aim is for good compression. > > > > The Mp3 players I've seen are very, very good. If you encode a cd as > > one track you will hear it as one track. If you encode a vynal album, > > and you have enougth memory on the player you can get much better than > > cd quality. Which blows my mind because with mp3 you never get back > > what you put in, but if you want quality its there. > > > > > > Chris > > -- > > There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the > > truth without lying. > > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Dec 5 13:22:20 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: Alice is in Wonderland... >What is the style of Steve Hillage solo works? > >I'm listening to "L" now and for me it's pure Space Rock. 'L' was (I think) his third solo album following 'Fish Rising' and 'Green' IIRC. It's the only one where he collaborated with Todd Rundgren's Utopia, so it has a little different sound for that reason. So you will find there's a big variety in his solo music, even though it all came from a fairly small window of time, c. 1975-81, and then from then on he went headlong into the electronic/techno realm. 'Fish Rising' featured much of Gong, and is a great album IMHO, a better and perhaps even truer album to the Trilogy Gong ethic than Shamal. 'Green' is very earthy and full of warm synthetic sounds and heaps of the old vocoder trick. Miquette does a lot of the space whispery vocals here. Cheesy at times, but that was the thing at the time....cheese was in vogue. 'L' was his most popular solo release I think, and had some very eastern flavors (a nod or two to George Harrison RIP). And a companion piece of sorts to an earlier one on Fish Rising...Lunar Musick Suite to Solar Musick Suite, whichever way they went I can't remember. Oh, let's see, next might have been... 'Motivation Radio' is the album where his fuzz guitar sound got a little too over-fuzzed and 'pinchy', and that clashed a little with the hippy-folk aspect of many of the tracks IMHO. 'Open' is probably next, and went way over to the jazz-funk sort of style. So another Cheese alert there too...but I kinda like some of this stuff anyway. Christian Boule's solo work (from this same time) is rather similar, as was contemporary Kraan. I'm not sure when 'Live Herald' was released, but it was probably recorded around the 'Motivation Radio' period (several concerts mixed together I believe), and is a very good document of Steve's music in a much more rock-out style. That was three sides live, with a fourth side (five tracks?) that was apparently an aborted full-album, that also appeared elsewhere on a LP (with other tracks from earlier albums) called 'Aura.' In the CD age, the three live sides of 'Live Herald' went onto one CD by itself, and the studio tracks go by the name 'Studio Herald' and are slapped onto the end of one of the other CDs, 'Open' I believe. This stuff is rather like a mixture of 'Green' and 'Open.' Electronic-jazz-funk stuff. Not his greatest material. I think somewhere here is his 'Glorious Om Riff' which is Gong's "Master Builder" in disguise. I think he does it live on 'Live Herald' as well. So we're around 1979, and 'Rainbow Dome Musick' is from about then, which was a pair of full-side ambient works that paralleled some of the things that Cyrille Verdeaux and his other friends on the Clearlight-side of the Gong Family tree were doing (Steve appeared on Clearlight Symphony with Blake et al. I think). Some it RDM gets a little too minimalist for me, though I haven't heard it in AGES as I only have the LP. Jump to '81-'82, and we get his last solo work entitled 'For to Next' and 'And Not Or', two LPs that were companion pieces and were sold together as one package. (Today, both on one CD.) Um, this is *really* hit and miss, with quite a few misses. I think it was pretty much all Steve & Miquette and programmed bass/drums - and of course, soon thereafter 'rock' music was a thing of the past for Steve. 'And Not Or' was all-instrumental and has some nice moments of guitar-synth playing. 'For to Next' is mainly electronic-pop tunes with a few major stinkers. But then songs like "Alone" are among Steve's best pop songs and I like his singing voice a lot on this track. But overall, a huge Cheese alert here too! If you didn't hear it when it was new, it will sound horribly dated and silly I'm guessing. Cue the 80s discussion again. :) As has been mentioned, Hillage then went into the electronic/dance community never to re-emerge. System7 (or 777 in the US) is his main project, but he works with other entities like The Orb and others. He's also done some producing, for instance the Cumbrian pop-prog-rock band It Bites of one Frank Dunnery. System7 is virtually all boring techno music, though the two-disc System7.3 'Fire and Water' package is half-interesting. The 'Fire' disc is techno-style versions of six or seven musical motifs. Then the 'Water' disc is laid back spacey ambient versions of the same motifs, with lots of his signature 'whale-guitar' sounds. It's quite nice...the 'Fire' disc is just annoying. Well, that's it. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The song 'Electrick Gypsies' (I think it was) appeared breifly in the Young Ones episode when Neil becomes a Pig and cuts off half of his hair. "Oh, Wow...Steve Hillage." From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Dec 5 19:08:25 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:08:25 EST Subject: Nektar Reforming Message-ID: Nektar will be reforming for a one-off gig at Trenton NJ on June 29th. 100 patron tickets went on sale yesterday and sold out in 5 minutes!! The remaining 1700 tickets will go on sale in early Feb. This is all part of the Nearfest prog rock festival. Steve Hackett will headline the following nite. I got mine! nearfest.com for more info. Regards, Bill stewart From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 5 19:00:55 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:00:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? In-Reply-To: <200112051840.NAA12514@mail6.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Pretty comprehensive post from Keith, I just have a few footnotes to add: In message <200112051840.NAA12514 at mail6.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes >'L' was (I think) his third solo album Second, after 'Fish Rising'. 'Green' I think was the fourth, after 'Motivation Radio'. >'Fish Rising' featured much of Gong Everyone except Daevid and Gilli I think. >, and is a great album IMHO, Yup, probably his best, although L and Rainbow Dome Music are very good too. > >'Green' is very earthy and full of warm synthetic sounds and heaps of the >old vocoder trick. Miquette does a lot of the space whispery vocals here. >Cheesy at times, It's patchy for sure, but interesting because it's his most varied album. The others tend to have a well-defined sound but 'Green' ranges from electro, to acoustic guitar, to full-on trance-rock (although the "Om Riff" track is really just an inferior remake of Gong's "Master Builder"). >'L' was his most popular solo release I think, and had some very eastern >flavors (a nod or two to George Harrison RIP). Including a fine cover of Harrison's "It's All Too Much". > And a companion piece of >sorts to an earlier one on Fish Rising...Lunar Musick Suite to Solar Musick >Suite, whichever way they went I can't remember. Solar on FR, Lunar on L. Two of his best pieces for sure. >'Motivation Radio' OK, well AFAIK this is actually the third, though not totally sure about that. But anyway this brings me to my main point- it's on this album that what is IMHO a serious problem arises- the lyrics become unbearably awful. Prior to this there was always a tendency for him to write cod-mystical, new- agey stuff, but it's generally tolerable even if it's not to one's taste, but from hereon in he becomes both twee and evangelical, and for me anyway it overwhelms any merit in the music. The best tracks on this album are in any case done much better on 'Live Herald'. >'Open' is probably next, and went way over to the jazz-funk sort of style. And the lyrics get even worse. The funky tracks are pretty lame on the whole, although I have a soft spot for "Don't Dither Do It", as I once had a peculiar dream in which this song was featured! But I digress... there's an excellent Arabic-style instrumental called "Earthrise", and arguably the album is worth having just for that alone. >I'm not sure when 'Live Herald' was released, but it was probably recorded >around the 'Motivation Radio' period Yup > is a very good document of Steve's music in a much more >rock-out style. Indeed, and includes contributions from future HW drummer Andy Anderson. > >That was three sides live, with a fourth side (five tracks?) I think it's only four, though I don't have it here to check. > In the CD age, the three >live sides of 'Live Herald' went onto one CD by itself And you don't miss much by not having the studio tracks IMHO, although "Healing Feeling" is a nice mellow ambient piece in the vein of "Rainbow Dome Music". >I think somewhere here is his 'Glorious Om Riff' which is Gong's "Master >Builder" in disguise. No, that's on Open (see above). > >So we're around 1979, and 'Rainbow Dome Musick' is from about then, which >was a pair of full-side ambient works It was apparently commissioned for the festival of Mind-Body-Spirit, an annual (I think) event with a New Age bias, which was at that time held at the Rainbow Dome, a venue in London. In fact 1979 may have been the first one, I'm not sure. Anyway this is an excellent album that proved enormously influential on the subsequent ambient scene. Alex Paterson of the Orb used to play it in his days as a chill-out DJ and apparently it was instrumental in inspiring him to create the Orb. He apparently met Hillage when the latter discovered Paterson was playing RDM at some club and went down to investigate. This meeting led to Hillage's work with the Orb and probably helped kick-start System 7. It also meant that Hillage, one of the most unfashionable figures in British music, suddenly became a trendy name to drop, which was quite amusing. >Jump to '81-'82, > 'And Not Or' Never heard this one > 'For to Next' is mainly >electronic-pop tunes with a few major stinkers. Has one superb song- the forbidding electro of "These Uncharted Lands", otherwise it's weak early 80s synth-pop as you say. > Hillage then went into the electronic/dance community >never to re-emerge. System7 is virtually all boring techno music I like some trance-techno but what I've heard of System 7 hasn't impressed me- it's beautifully produced but poppy and uninspired. Possibly I haven't heard the better stuff though- I'm basing that mainly on the first album, the only one I actually have, which was a major disappointment- I bought it in the conviction it would be a masterpiece of old-style psych fused with new technology and rhythms, and it's nothing of the sort. But I did see System 7 live once and they were far better live than on record, there was even a guitar played on occasion! Steve's partner Miquette Giraudy actually seems to have more of the writing credits for the Sys 7 stuff and she looked expert on synths/electronics when I saw them live. I don't know what the situation between Steve and his former Gong colleagues is, but he was a notable absentee at the 25th birthday reunion gigs, although he did remix one track on the "You Remixed" double CD. Daevid Allen was then quoted as saying he wasn't that impressed with Steve's contribution and thought it was one of the least interesting tracks on that album (he said it in a nice way of course, I'm paraphrasing). So make of that what you will! -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 5 19:46:32 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:46:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:00:55 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >I don't know what the situation between Steve and his former Gong >colleagues is, but he was a notable absentee at the 25th birthday reunion >gigs, although he did remix one track on the "You Remixed" double CD. >Daevid Allen was then quoted as saying he wasn't that impressed with >Steve's contribution and thought it was one of the least interesting >tracks on that album (he said it in a nice way of course, I'm >paraphrasing). So make of that what you will! I don't know, either. I figured he wasn't at the reunion since he hadn't played guitar in 20 years (although I guess I'm incorrect about that). Possibly my alltime favorite "estranged bandmember" album sleeves is the inside gatefold of 'Vive Gong/Gong est Mort' from '77 where Steve Hillage's face is whited-out. Either that, or the front cover of 'Notorious Byrd Brothers', where the recently-sacked David Crosby is replaced with a horse - at least they used the horse's head, and not the other end (which Crosby probably would have deserved). -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 5 20:19:03 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 01:19:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? In-Reply-To: <200112060046.TAA13969@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200112060046.TAA13969 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >Possibly my alltime favorite "estranged bandmember" album sleeves is the >inside gatefold of 'Vive Gong/Gong est Mort' from '77 where Steve Hillage's >face is whited-out. Although that may not be due to estrangement- I thought it was because they were involved in a dispute with Virgin Records and that contractually speaking Steve wasn't supposed to be on that album, so they obscured his identity. Whether they really thought this would be an effective ruse, or whether it was done more as a sort of protest gesture, I don't know. Wasn't it around that time that various Gong-ers, possibly including Steve (not too well up on this particular bit of Gong mythology), staged a sit-in at Virgin's offices, refusing to budge until some demand or other was met? Anyone know more about that? -- Nick Medford From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Thu Dec 6 02:35:24 2001 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:35:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? In-Reply-To: <200112060046.TAA13969@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi Doug, >I don't know, either. I figured he wasn't at the reunion since he hadn't >played guitar in 20 years (although I guess I'm incorrect about that). During the last Gong-tour I spoke with Jonny Greene about that. And it's exactly, as you've said: Steve thinks he isn't good enough anymore to play the guitar live. No bad blood between him and Gong. Although there's the possibility of a "glissando-orchestra" album with Daevid and others, for which he would strum the strings again. (c)IAO D'and now to the Structural Dynamics exam :-('+R From colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 6 06:06:52 2001 From: colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM (Col) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 06:06:52 -0500 Subject: hawks xmas party - how to get tickets ? Message-ID: Hi all, I've been trying the forum number (020 7284 1001) but can't get thru. should I keep trying or is there another way to get hold of tickets ? cheers, Col From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Dec 6 07:57:15 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:57:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Uncut Message-ID: Just a reminder that the Rolling Stones special is out now, and Hawkwind are on the red cover, Volume 1 with Gimme Shelter. You can subscribe online at http://www.qksrv.net/click-991334-6249339 From colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 6 08:51:03 2001 From: colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM (Col) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:51:03 -0500 Subject: HW: How to get tickets for Hawks xmas party ? Message-ID: Hi all, I've had no joy with the forum number (020 7284 1001). should I keep trying or is there another way to get hold of tickets ? cheers, Col From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 6 08:53:35 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:53:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Damned by the curse of Damned (was Re: Greasy Truckers Party 2001) In-Reply-To: <8SZwKrAIYd07Ewia@hermit0.demon.co.uk>; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 08:52:40PM +0100 Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 08:52:40PM +0100, Nick Medford typed out: > > Still waiting for anyone to say a good word about Culture Club though! I have considered this matter, and have come to the concluion that there are in fact two good things to be aid about Culture Club, though I realise not everyone will agree. Firstly, Boy George was the first media celebrity of any voltage that I was aware of (apart I suppose from Quentin Crisp but that's a different matter) to manage to hold onto a place in the public spotlight despite, indeed, because of, being gay. So I think he probably made things a lot easier for those who followed. Even if one of them was Julian Clarey (went to my school you know; they expelled him... ). The other thing is that they were on the A-Team, which is more than most, possibly any, other British groups can claim. But as I said you may not agree that that's a good thing. Can't find anything good to say of the music however :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: ICU - _Pass Out_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 10:01:44 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:01:44 EST Subject: HW: How to get tickets for Hawks xmas party ? Message-ID: Tickets are available online at ticketmaster.co.uk. for the Hawkwind Christmas show. In a message dated 12/6/01 5:51:40 AM, colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Hi all, I've had no joy with the forum number (020 7284 1001). should I keep trying or is there another way to get hold of tickets ? cheers, Col >> From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Thu Dec 6 13:56:10 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:56:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: To add my two-penn'orth to the Hillage topic. The dates/sequence are my best guesses, and may be way off: 1973: Fish Rising ================= Very Gong-like, an excellent album of whatever genre you would put old school Gong into. Spacey pysch with strong French, jazz and feminine influences. I think Fish Rising differs from Gong chiefly in having these specific influences diminished by comparison. 1975: L ======= Probably Hillage's biggest seller, but not my favourite. Straightforward spacey psych with a guest appearance from Don Cherry, IIRC. Less Gong influence, I think of this as one stop along Hillages' journey from Gong to New Age to Commercial to Techno... 1976: Live Herald ================= Not heard this but my interest was certainly piqued by the earlier posts in this discussion. 1977: Motivation Radio ====================== Moves on from Fish Rising and L in that there are the first appearances of Steve's pop leanings, and Miquette Giraudy has more influence. As Nick pointed out, the lyrics start to get more New Age, but overall a pretty good album, essential for Hillage fans. Hello Dawn has some nice flanger! 1978: Green =========== My favourite. A number of different kinds of song on this album, from the funk of Unidentified Flying Being to ambient stuff. But there is a commonality running through it, consisting of the warm synthetic sounds someone already mentioned. Lots of vocoder and guitar synth. THIS is the album that has the Glorious Om Riff, i.e. a reworking of Gong's Master Builder. It has a nice change to the time signature. 1979: Open ========== Awful attempt to go commercial. There is one song I like on this album, which might be Earthrise. It sounds a little bit like the Police! The rest of it is dire, including Don't Dither Do It (it was never in any dream of mine, y'see!) 1979: Rainbow Dome Musick ========================= Lovely ambient stuff consisting of guitar and synth only. A must. 1982: For To Next / And Not Or ============================== The Open vein gushes in full flood. I don't know the And Not Or album so nothing to say about that, but For To Next is surely the most ill-advised Steve Hillage record ever, and that includes the System 7 stuff. Thin, weak, vacuous.... System 7 ======== Everything after 1982 I suppose. Doesn't do it for me, I have tried listening to it and it just makes no impression at all. I suspect I am turning into my father... Steve From nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM Thu Dec 6 13:47:18 2001 From: nick at THECOMPLETESHEET.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:47:18 UT Subject: BOC: What's new? Message-ID: Due to a switch of e-mail accounts, I've been off BOC-L for several weeks now. Have I missed anything interesting. . . other than the Pocket bumper stickers, I mean. --Nick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 14:10:39 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:10:39 EST Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/01 1:57:12 PM, sjyoules at VISTO.COM writes: << 1973: Fish Rising >> ========= um This one is unsure even if gong's "you" LP was out by '73, but "Fish Rising" was mid-'75. Aint no doubt. I bought it new, and carried w/it on my GI backpack when I left home. One of the dozen or so LP's I carried w/moi., as I carried much=too=much... "<>" From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Dec 6 14:19:39 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:19:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: What's new? In-Reply-To: <200112061847.NAA6345401@www1524.boca15-verio.com> Message-ID: Nick wrote: > Due to a switch of e-mail accounts, I've been off BOC-L for several weeks now. > Have I missed anything interesting. . . other than the Pocket bumper stickers, > I mean. Hi Nick, There hasn't been much BOC to speak of. Did anyone make it to the Helen Wheels tribute concert on Tuesday? I'd love to hear a report! Brian obCD> Brain Surgeons and Friends "To Helen With Love" From mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM Thu Dec 6 14:31:04 2001 From: mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM (Mark Licht) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:31:04 -0700 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? In-Reply-To: <200112061856.NAA17367@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: When was Khan's Space Shanty released? Mark -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Subject: Re: OFF: style of Hillage music? To add my two-penn'orth to the Hillage topic. The dates/sequence are my best guesses, and may be way off: 1973: Fish Rising ================= Very Gong-like, an excellent album of whatever genre you would put old school Gong into. Spacey pysch with strong French, jazz and feminine influences. I think Fish Rising differs from Gong chiefly in having these specific influences diminished by comparison. >snip, snip From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 15:31:53 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:31:53 EST Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/2001 2:30:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, mlicht at CYBERMESA.COM writes: > When was Khan's Space Shanty released? > > from Borderline books: SPACE SHANTY (Deram SDL 11) 1972 was later reissued in February 1977 (Deram SDL 11) to cash-in on Hillage's fame. It was also issued in Germany on Brain back in 1972 and on PVC in the US in 1978. Also reissued on CD (Deram 844-008-2) 1993. ? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 6 15:42:56 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:42:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Hey... Thanks for the DVD info on regions etc. I have one further question...if some DVDs are made to be read in all players (Region 0?), then is the reverse ever true? i.e., do they make DVD players that can read all DVDs encoded to any individual region? (That would pretty much defeat the purposes I would think, but then there are VHS players that read both PAL and NTSC, right?) Thanks...Grakkl (FAA) From rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM Thu Dec 6 16:10:00 2001 From: rdc at RDCDESIGN.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:10:00 -0000 Subject: Ayreon In-Reply-To: <200112062100.QAA10028@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Dave Brock will appear on his new album, and sing a 9-minute Hawkwind medley... http://www.ayreon.com/webpages/news/news_1.htm Richard. mailto:rdc at rdcdesign.com From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Dec 6 16:16:46 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:16:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question In-Reply-To: <200112062100.QAA10028@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Yes. They are known as "region-free". Alasdair On 6 Dec 01, at 15:42, K Henderson wrote: > Hey... > > Thanks for the DVD info on regions etc. > > I have one further question...if some DVDs are made to be read in all > players (Region 0?), then is the reverse ever true? i.e., do they make DVD > players that can read all DVDs encoded to any individual region? (That > would pretty much defeat the purposes I would think, but then there are VHS > players that read both PAL and NTSC, right?) From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Thu Dec 6 16:35:18 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:35:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Not really, exceptions are players that have hacked firmware or loopholes. Easier is to play the DVD on a computer running hacked software to play all regions. DVD regions are just there so they can control what you watch, Pal and NTSC are actually different formats. Try vcdhelp.com or is it vcdhelper.com > Hey... > > Thanks for the DVD info on regions etc. > > I have one further question...if some DVDs are made to be read in all > players (Region 0?), then is the reverse ever true? i.e., do they make DVD > players that can read all DVDs encoded to any individual region? (That > would pretty much defeat the purposes I would think, but then there are VHS > players that read both PAL and NTSC, right?) > > Thanks...Grakkl (FAA) > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 16:38:39 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:38:39 EST Subject: Ayreon Message-ID: Who? Wot? Bill From coral at APORT.RU Thu Dec 6 16:41:23 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:41:23 +0300 Subject: Ayreon Message-ID: > Dave Brock will appear on his new album, and sing a 9-minute Hawkwind > medley... > > http://www.ayreon.com/webpages/news/news_1.htm Yes, right! Arjen from Ayreon is excellent composer and musician and very fond of Hawkwind. I kept this info in a secret for a long time. Didn't want to spoil the surprise :). Alisa From coral at APORT.RU Thu Dec 6 16:46:01 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:46:01 +0300 Subject: Ayreon Message-ID: > Who? Wot? Ayreon is very good progressive psychedelic metal band from Holland. It's a studio project actually, each album of which has some famous singers and musicians. Alisa From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Dec 6 17:24:05 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:24:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: From: > In a message dated 12/6/01 1:57:12 PM, sjyoules at VISTO.COM writes: > > << 1973: Fish Rising >> > ========= > > um This one is unsure even if gong's "you" LP was out by '73, > > but "Fish Rising" was mid-'75. Aint no doubt. > I bought it new, and carried w/it on my GI backpack when I left home. Definately 1975.Virgin VI 2031 Jerry From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Dec 6 17:29:22 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:29:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: From: "Dan Witt" > Not really, exceptions are players that have hacked firmware or loopholes. > Easier is to play the DVD on a computer running hacked software to play all > regions. DVD regions are just there so they can control what you watch, Pal > and NTSC are actually different formats. My first DVD (a Toshiba 1202 I think) was region-free. I just changed the region using my Hollywood+ software. My current one (Toshiba 1402), I have a firmware hack for - otherwise I'm limited to 5 changes. Jerry From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Thu Dec 6 17:52:06 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:52:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: What's new? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:47:18 UT, Nick English wrote: >Due to a switch of e-mail accounts, I've been off BOC-L for several weeks now. Have I missed anything interesting. . . --------------------------------------------- ...no :-) steve From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 6 17:53:40 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:53:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:31:53 EST, Bob Lennon wrote: >from Borderline books: >SPACE SHANTY (Deram SDL 11) 1972 >was later reissued in February 1977 (Deram SDL 11) to cash-in on Hillage's >fame. It was also issued in Germany on Brain back in 1972 and on PVC in the >US in 1978. Also reissued on CD (Deram 844-008-2) 1993. ... so I suppose this would be a good time to mention the Arzachel (aka Uriel) album and its' organ-driven (by Dave Stewart, pre-Egg) psychedelia (sort of along the lines of Atomic Rooster, maybe). At least notable for being Hillage's first appearence on vinyl. Unfortunately I can't remember any of the label information for either the original or CD reissue except that the US version was squeezed out on Roulette, somewhere between albums by Tommy James and whatever gangster's moll's vanity project Morris Levy was pushing that week ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 6 17:59:49 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:59:49 -0500 Subject: Ayreon Message-ID: >Who? Wot? One guy 'band' with a zillion guests filling in all the spots...Arjen something (Lucasson? perhaps)...a Norwegian guy I think. Big epic bombastic prog-slathered productions from what I can gather from having heard only one of his things...a gigantic whopping 2-CD overblown conceptual extravaganza of an album way too big for its own britches. Fish and the Gathering's Anneke were notable guests on that one, vocally-speaking. OK shoot me...I like it, even though it wallows in its own overburdened heaviness. Did I mention it was 'over-the-top'? :) This should be interesting. (I can imagine the guy is a 'Chronicles' fan...fits the profile.) Grakkl (FAA) From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 18:32:15 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:32:15 EST Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: Hey, once again Borderline Books has the info: ARZACHEL (Evolution Z 1003) 1969 Also issued in the US (Roulette 42036); by Vogue (LDVS 17218) in France; by CBS in Italy in 1971; and by Bellaphon in Germany in 1972, also with a different cover. has also been pirated on vinyl several times and reissued officially on CD (Drop Out DOCD 1983) 1994. ? In a message dated 12/6/2001 5:54:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > ... so I suppose this would be a good time to mention the Arzachel (aka > Uriel) album and its' organ-driven (by Dave Stewart, pre-Egg) psychedelia > (sort of along the lines of Atomic Rooster, maybe). At least notable for > being Hillage's first appearence on vinyl. Unfortunately I can't remember > any of the label information for either the original or CD reissue except > that the US version was squeezed out on Roulette, somewhere between albums > by Tommy James and whatever gangster's moll's vanity project Morris Levy > was pushing that week ... > > -Doug > From coral at APORT.RU Thu Dec 6 18:33:05 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:33:05 +0300 Subject: Ayreon Message-ID: > One guy 'band' with a zillion guests filling in all the spots...Arjen > something (Lucasson? perhaps)...a Norwegian guy I think. Big epic bombastic > prog-slathered productions from what I can gather from having heard only one > of his things...a gigantic whopping 2-CD overblown conceptual extravaganza > of an album way too big for its own britches. Fish and the Gathering's > Anneke were notable guests on that one, vocally-speaking. OK shoot me...I > like it, even though it wallows in its own overburdened heaviness. Did I > mention it was 'over-the-top'? :) Where did you get this wrong info? :) He is from Holland. His last works - Universal Migrator (especially part 1) and Ambeon are just wonderful. Great spacey feeling. > This should be interesting. (I can imagine the guy is a 'Chronicles' > fan...fits the profile.) He likes all kinds of Hawkwind. He is a fan since 70's. Alisa From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 6 18:53:14 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:53:14 EST Subject: Passports Message-ID: How long does it usually take for passports to arrive? I sent for mine a week before the Manchester show, beginning of November. Steve From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Dec 6 23:45:29 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:45:29 -0600 Subject: OFF: CD-R media: testing for quality - Hardware Reviews - CNET.com Message-ID: Good info! Link below. So you thought picking up some CD-R media on the way home from work was going to be easy. Dreamer! Instead, you're standing in the store, confronted by a dizzying array of choices: discs that are gold, silver, red, blue, or even purple; speed ratings; pricier certified discs and less expensive noncertified ones; and brands ranging from household names to house labels. Are any of these differences worth worrying about, or can you just grab the color that suits your fancy and get on with your life? CNET asked the experts--and tested the actual media from four common brands: CompUSA, Imation, Sony, and Yamaha. We found that while CD-R media in general are pretty reliable, there are definite differences in quality and some easy ways to avoid bad experiences. http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1091-8-8020643-1.html From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 7 00:28:45 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:28:45 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/01/01 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'N'Roll/Whims) TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed (really!) from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 12/1/01 1.Hawkwind-- "Lord of Light" (Doremi Fasol Latido; EMI) 2.Saturnia-- "Crysalis" (The Glitter Odd; Cranium) 3.Shay-- "The Red Earth" (Dreamers and Stalkers; self-released) 4.Salamander-- "David's Opening" (Red Mantra; Camera Obscura) 5.Quarkspace-- "Fujita" (Spacefolds 7; Eternity's Jest) 6.Abunai!-- "Tomorrow" (Mystic River Sound; Camera Obscura) 7.High Tide-- "Futilist's Lament" (Sea Shanties; Liberty/EMI) 8.Can-- "Father Cannot Yell" (Monster Movie/Cannibalism 1; Mute/Spoon) 9.Upsilon Acrux-- "Modulation 1" (In the Acrux of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 10.Faust-- "It's a Rainy Day, Sunshine Girl" (So Far; Collector's Choice) 11.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Penguin Penguin/Another White Singer /Essplode" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 12.Species Being-- Parts 2, 3 and 4 (Yonilicious; Grauspace/Jamalot) 13.Jettison Slinky-- "Destination Art" (Dank Side of the Moon; Evander) 14.Kopecky-- "Sky-Blue Hair" (Orion; M.A.C.E.) 15.Scattered Planets-- "No Turns Allowed" (Drinking w/Aliens) 16.Pressurehed-- "Altitude" (Explaining the Unexplained; Cleopatra) 17.Massive Attack-- "Angel" ("Pi" Soundtrack; Thrive) 18.Pseudo Buddha-- "Gra" (Motive; Uncle Buzz) 19.David Hudson/Steve Roach-- "Bali Doo" (?) 20.Kraig Grady/Brad Laner-- "Banaphshu Remembers Her Father the Clock Builder" (Music from the Island of Anaphoria; Transparency) 21.Can-- "Dizzy Dizzy" (Soon Over Babaluma/Cannibalism 1; Mute/Spoon) ...by request!...Chrome!... 22.Chrome-- "You've Been Duplicated" (Half Machine Lip Moves; Touch and Go) 23.Chrome-- "Creature Eternal" (Alien Soundtracks; Touch and Go) 24.Guild Navigators-- "Worlds Within Worlds" (Phase 1: '91-'97; Amblifire) 25.Dave Brock-- "Sex Dreams" (Spacebrock; Hawk/Voiceprint) 26.Hawkwind-- "Silver Machine" (In Search of Space EMI Remaster) 27.Architectural Metaphor-- "Brainticket" (Odysseum Galacti/Space Box comp; Cleopatra) thanks, Chuck Tune In This Saturday! From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 7 02:06:32 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:06:32 +0000 Subject: Passports Message-ID: I asked this a while ago ( i sent for mine about a month ago ), apparently Kris does them, and as Hawkwind are touring at the moment, there is no on to do them, so it looks like we will have to wait. I hope neither of us need to leave the planet soon. Fraser >From: Steve Johnson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Passports >Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:53:14 EST > >How long does it usually take for passports to arrive? >I sent for mine a week before the Manchester show, beginning of November. > >Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Fri Dec 7 04:06:52 2001 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:06:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Darxtar Tombola Message-ID: Hej, The new CD by Darxtar is finally out! DARXTAR~Tombola~4th album by Swedish band. This one is more progressive than the previous, but still holding the space rock attitude close to their hearts. More delicate keyboard walls with dreamy vocals and far out arrangements.~01~R H~Euro~129:- www.recordheaven.com I have not heard it yet so I can not comment but Darxtar will play at the Copenhagen Space Rock Festival on March 23rd. See our web page for more details! www.spacerock.subnet.dk scott ObCD- Ole Lukk?ye- Relax in your Dream CD (Russia 200) From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Dec 7 08:57:05 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:57:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas Competition Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS We have a competition online for a pair of tickets to the HAWKWIND XMAS PARTY on 20th December at the Forum in London For details point your browsers at; Mission Control - Tour Info http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm ++MESSAGE ENDS From hne at INETNOW.NET Fri Dec 7 10:00:27 2001 From: hne at INETNOW.NET (Keith Hopkins) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:00:27 +0900 Subject: BOC: What's new? Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > Due to a switch of e-mail accounts, I've been off BOC-L for several weeks now. Have I missed anything interesting. . . other than the Pocket bumper stickers, I mean. > > --Nick > I had a friend tell me they found a copy of Buck's "Flat Out" on CD, when I thought it was only ever produced on vinyl. - JapanBoy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 7 11:37:29 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:37:29 GMT Subject: HW: Xmas Competition In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > ++STAR WARRIORS > > We have a competition online for a pair of tickets to the > HAWKWIND XMAS PARTY on 20th December at the Forum in London > > For details point your browsers at; > > Mission Control - Tour Info > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm The question is "What was Dave Brock's first solo release?" I''m trying to remember whether it was the Zones/Processed single through Brian Tawn or the Social Alliance/Raping Robots in the Street 7". FoFP From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Dec 7 11:49:28 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:49:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Xmas Competition Message-ID: Or what about the weird tape, or if we aim for proper album in shops with just dave on would it be earthed to the ground? mike w > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Sent: 07 December 2001 16:37 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Xmas Competition > > > Rik Rx writes: > > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > We have a competition online for a pair of tickets to the > > HAWKWIND XMAS PARTY on 20th December at the Forum in London > > > > For details point your browsers at; > > > > Mission Control - Tour Info > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm > > The question is "What was Dave Brock's first solo release?" > > I''m trying to remember whether it was the Zones/Processed single > through Brian Tawn or the Social Alliance/Raping Robots in > the Street 7". > > FoFP > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Dec 7 12:55:43 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:55:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Xmas Competition Message-ID: "Wright, Mike" wrote: > Or what about the weird tape, or if we aim for proper album in shops with > just dave on would it be earthed to the ground? > Wasn't it that buskers compilation recorded at the Royal Albert Hall? Would that count as a solo release? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 7 13:22:25 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:22:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Dan points out... >Not really, exceptions are players that have hacked firmware or loopholes. >Easier is to play the DVD on a computer running hacked software to play all >regions. DVD regions are just there so they can control what you watch, Pal >and NTSC are actually different formats. Alright, now I'm completely confused. :) Not from what's appeared here, but from what I'm now reading on r.m.p. about this same topic. Over there, they're discussing the very same Magma DVD issue, and it does appear that both 'European' and 'American' versions are being prepared. (However, word from Ken Golden is that the American ones came out wrong from the manufacturer and release will now be delayed.) Anyway, Ken is referring to the American one as the 'NTSC' version, the European one as the 'PAL' version. So does that mean that NTSC/PAL format is also still associated with DVD technology, as well as, and apart from, the Region-encoding nonsense? (I'm really not very interested in all this kind of thing, and so am especially naive about it all.) I mean, this doesn't compute in my brain very well...like how could they make an all-region DVD if the format didn't match either PAL or NTSC devices? So, is it really true that a Region 2 DVD is also "PAL," or is this bunk? What are the Hawkwind DVD's so far? I think there's a Chronicle and also the Nottingham show already on DVD, right? Are they Region 2's only, separate Region 1 and 2, or Region 0 (all regions?)? Many of my DVD's don't have any indication of what region they are, or at least I can't find where it's marked. What do you suppose these are? (Mostly US-made sci-fi TV/movie stuff.) Is there any other (easy) way to tell? Grakkl (FAA), hoping that he didn't screw up and buy a bunch of things he can never play in Europe without major difficulty. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 7 15:13:33 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:13:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Anyone who is refering to DVDs in terms of NTSC and PAL hasn't fully grasped the difference. The DVD player and the TV can be NTSC or PAL, but the data on the DVD discs is the same anywhere in the world, the only difference being the Region Code which, as people have said, can be gotten round without much fuss. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Followup DVD question > Dan points out... > > >Not really, exceptions are players that have hacked firmware or loopholes. > >Easier is to play the DVD on a computer running hacked software to play all > >regions. DVD regions are just there so they can control what you watch, Pal > >and NTSC are actually different formats. > > Alright, now I'm completely confused. :) > > Not from what's appeared here, but from what I'm now reading on r.m.p. about > this same topic. > > Over there, they're discussing the very same Magma DVD issue, and it does > appear that both 'European' and 'American' versions are being prepared. > (However, word from Ken Golden is that the American ones came out wrong from > the manufacturer and release will now be delayed.) > > Anyway, Ken is referring to the American one as the 'NTSC' version, the > European one as the 'PAL' version. So does that mean that NTSC/PAL format > is also still associated with DVD technology, as well as, and apart from, > the Region-encoding nonsense? (I'm really not very interested in all this > kind of thing, and so am especially naive about it all.) I mean, this > doesn't compute in my brain very well...like how could they make an > all-region DVD if the format didn't match either PAL or NTSC devices? So, > is it really true that a Region 2 DVD is also "PAL," or is this bunk? > > What are the Hawkwind DVD's so far? I think there's a Chronicle and also > the Nottingham show already on DVD, right? Are they Region 2's only, > separate Region 1 and 2, or Region 0 (all regions?)? > > Many of my DVD's don't have any indication of what region they are, or at > least I can't find where it's marked. What do you suppose these are? > (Mostly US-made sci-fi TV/movie stuff.) Is there any other (easy) way to tell? > > Grakkl (FAA), hoping that he didn't screw up and buy a bunch of things he > can never play in Europe without major difficulty. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 7 15:20:08 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:20:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: >Anyone who is refering to DVDs in terms of NTSC and PAL hasn't fully grasped >the difference. The DVD player and the TV can be NTSC or PAL, but the data >on the DVD discs is the same anywhere in the world, the only difference being >the Region Code which, as people have said, can be gotten round without much >fuss. Oh, so the player's output is then 'NTSC' or 'PAL' no matter what the DVD is? Then a Region 1-playing DVD player (power-adjusted) plugged into a Swiss TV set is no good, no matter what the DVD is encoded for? I'm stupid. Grakkl (FAA) From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Fri Dec 7 17:10:02 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:10:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: From: "K Henderson" > What are the Hawkwind DVD's so far? I think there's a Chronicle and also > the Nottingham show already on DVD, right? Are they Region 2's only, > separate Region 1 and 2, or Region 0 (all regions?)? I happen to have Night Of The Hawks handy. On the back, lower right (above bar-code), there's a big 0 and it says region free above that. Jerry From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Fri Dec 7 17:55:01 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:55:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Keith don't worry about it so much. Most DVD players can output both PAL and NTSC formats, so either type of equipment will work with the DVD player. Many DVDs are all regions, they play anywhere. Others are region 1, if you buy a DVD in region 1 it will play on your region 1 equipment. I have never had a problem with DVD being the wrong region code. If I did I'd watch it on my computer, or take it to a copy house and transfer it to VHS, or just buy the right region to begin with. From Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU Fri Dec 7 18:33:25 2001 From: Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:33:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: Goldmine magazine for sale Message-ID: If anyone is interested, I am selling/auctioning a copy of Goldmine magazine which features a 40+ page history of BOC. It is Goldmine vol22 no12 issue414 dated June 7, 1996. See the following URL if you are interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1494529564 Joe From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 17:58:11 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:58:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Can Message-ID: sorry - just back from a week with the wonderful Linda M and visiting my father, so catching up...... 'Canaxis' is a tale of two halves. The track with the Vietnamese villagers is shabby stuff and horribly dated, but the electronic track is still very haunting and ethereal, and overall, I'd give it a miss. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Can > In a message dated 11/28/01 4:01:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > If yuo want one of the most Can-like Holger Czukay solo albums, then you > > have to get 'Good Morning Story' which we actually have in our sale offers > > catalogue right now (copies due to be published in a week for the baragain > > Andy and friends, > > what's your opinion of Czukay's "Canaxis"?? > > thanks, Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 17:52:36 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:52:36 -0000 Subject: HW: G Dead Message-ID: but the best of the lot is the 'Grayfolded' album - a massive 2CD instrumental version of the classic 'Dark Star' track - the very best meeting of guitars and Dead style psych - amazing (and we stock it too) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gibbs" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: Re: HW: John Perry From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 17:59:38 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:59:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: no - same thing,although the CD has been released in the UK as a single CD and in France as a double CD, but only the recent single CD UK issue has been remastered, in a sense. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Magma? > In a message dated 11/30/01 10:08:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > stemfors at PIPELINE.COM writes: > > > I'll second that, it's up there with Space Ritual and Magma Live (Hhai) - > > yes I'm a Magma fan, though not a REAL Magma fan, as I only have 4 versions > > of Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh in my library... > > > > Stephan > > > > Is this different than a Magma double-LP titled "Live", released in '75 on a > small European label? It's still their only album I have...I like it...but > still wonder how representative it is? > I actually had a cassette of...oh, there goes my memory again...that '76 > studioo album...but it kicked the bucket real quick... > > thanks, Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:05:24 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:05:24 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: and for Magma fans we now have in the FANTASTIC Magma and Jannick Top set of three archive CD's of all previously unreleased live and studio tracks from the mid seventies, with four massive versions of 'De Futura' across the three CD's - grab 'em now as deleted on 31st Decmber. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Magma? > Hi Chuck, > > >Is this different than a Magma double-LP titled "Live", released in '75 on a > >small European label? > > Yup, that's the same. The 7th Records double CD includes bonus tracks btw > (Emehnteht Re and a nearly complete MDK). > > > It's still their only album I have...I like it...but still wonder how > > representative it is? > > I think's its the most accesible of all Magma-albums. It is representative > and features both classical "old" stuff like MDK (only as excerpt though) > and Kohntarkosz and newer songs (Hhai, Lihns) which lead to the > funky-gospel Magma of later albums. > The playing is exceptional and it's the nearest thing to a Magma-Best-Of. > The only factor not really representative is the violin-playing of Didier > Lockwood. As great as it is, it is not part of the typical Magma sound. > > >I actually had a cassette of...oh, there goes my memory again...that '76 > >studioo album...but it kicked the bucket real quick... > > That would be Udu Wudu. It's not bad, but lacks a bit of focus IMO. The > most songs are only 3..5 minutes long, which is very untypical for Magma, > and appear more like ideas than "real" complete songs. The exception is "De > Futura", a brilliant tour-de-force of Janik Top's bass-playing. > > BTW, there's a new 165min (!!) DVD which features the whole Trianon concert > and a documentation. > > (c)IAO > > D+R > np: strange sounds made on my new Nord MicroModular From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:36:51 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:36:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 Message-ID: yes - that's the one!!!!!!!!! Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/24 > In message <015301c17862$1585c160$259abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > >You have to get 'Rite Time', the 'Live '72-'77' double CD that was witht he > >box set that is now deleted and the one called 'Can' or also 'Inner Space' > >witht eh spanner on the front if I remember as that gets criticised but it > >is surprisingly good for later period Can, but avoid 'Out Of Reach' at all > >costs. > > Thanks for that. Re. the live double CD, I *think* I have this but would be > grateful if someone could confirm it's the same thing. I bought it at a 2nd > hand shop in London, it wasn't part of a box-set, it just came as a double > CD in a blank case (no cover, no inserts, nothing). However on the label it > says Can Box Item 1: Music (live 1971-1977) (NB: not 70-75 as I said in > my last post). It's on Spoon records so I'm sure it's legit. Tracks are: > > CD1: Jynx/ Dizzy Dizzy/ Vernal Equinox /Fizz/ Yoo Doo Right/ Cascade > Waltz > > CD2: Colchester Finale/ Kata Kong/ Spoon > > Is this the same thing that was part of the box-set? I assume it must be, and > that for reasons unknown someone decided to flog it as a separate item to > the second-hand shop, who then sold it on. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:20:14 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:20:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: new groups Message-ID: back now - let me know what is required and I will either supply or put you onto who can. The superb new Spacehead CD is now Jan 14th release. Will enclose info over weekend, OK. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF: new groups > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > > > Burnt Noodle (exceptional psych songs and instrumentals - CDS sell it now) > > Cellular Structure (ex-Spacehead - synths and guitars, mostly synths -bit > > like space-rockier Tim Blake - superb and in stock now) > > Pharaoh Overlord (stoner rock - great stuff) > > Lamp Of The Universe (sitars and guitars and stuff - very heady - better > > than Saddar Bazaar though) > > When are you coming back from vacation? I'll probably want a few of these > as well as possibly the new Alan Davey, Bedouin, and Brock Memos and Demos. > > Jerry From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:24:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:24:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki/Michael Karoli CD Message-ID: yes - we carry all Damo's stuff altho' at this moment in time, only JPN Unlimited Vol 1 and Vernissage are on the shelf but all easy to get for you, OK. We do anything and everything Euro-rock and post-rock/contemporary related if we can. Andy G. andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Majka" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: OFF: Damo Suzuki/Michael Karoli CD > does anyone know of someplace that has the Damo Suzuki/Michael Karoli live > CD? I'd like to get a copy.... > John Majka > jmajka2 at home.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:06:23 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:06:23 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: Inedits CD is about same as vinyl, sound-wise, but worth it for the atmosphere of the opening track - superb stuff.. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Magma? > Hi Stephan, > > >P.S. Has anyone heard 'Inedits' and want to describe the sound quality? It's > >supposedly non-album material from low-sound-quality live tapes - and I'm > >firmly in the camp that believes good/interesting/unusual content trumps bad > >sound any day, so I'll likely get this no matter what - but I'd still like > >to know approximately how bad the sound is! > > The sound quality isn't really bad. It's more like some of the Weird Tapes, > but definitely _not_ Yuri Gagarin bad. It varies, of course, because all > songs were recorded at different places and times. > BTW, I only have the vinyl version of that one, so the CD might have a > better sound quality. > If you like I could put up a short mp3 of one of the songs, so you'll get a > better impression (not before the weekend though). > > (c)IAO > > D+R From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:29:36 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:29:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Followup on Voiceprint Message-ID: just to put them back in print - forget which of the four it was, but they made a master of one of them by borrowing the copy we had at CD Services of the old label stock (true!!!) Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: Followup on Voiceprint > >> Also included is all the solo things they have like Calvert-Revenge, Blake > >> (all four) > > > >Four?? I thought they never released New Jerusalem. > > It's listed, given cat. no. VP212CD (following Magick and Crystal Machine as > VP210CD and VP211CD, respectively). > > I have a New Jerusalem CD that I got years ago, which I'm guessing was a > different label then? Were the Voiceprint's then a remastered version, or > just to put them back in print again? > > Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 7 19:31:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:31:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: AndyGee relates... >and for Magma fans we now have in the FANTASTIC Magma and Jannick Top set of >three archive CD's of all previously unreleased live and studio tracks from >the mid seventies, with four massive versions of 'De Futura' across the >three CD's - grab 'em now as deleted on 31st Decmber. Oh, Christ, *another* 3CD set? How the hell is anyone supposed to keep these straight? :) I can't even read stinkin' Kobaian! OK, so here's what I'm (sort of) aware of, in terms of existence (newer releases of previously unreleased stuff). I wouldn't mind someone relating their opinions of what are the more valuable ones (keeping in mind that I don't like the vocal-chorus-dominated MDK as much as the Udu Wudu-manic bass style of Magma w/Top)... Triple CD sets... 1. Theusz Hamtaahk - the 2000 triple in the black box from the Trianon concert (whatever that means) (already have this one) DVD just coming out of same show (musically identical? still guessing here) 2. Opera de Reims - 1976 Live, Magma proper 3. Whatever AndyGee is talking about above. Magma proper or VanderTop? Double CD sets... 1. Live Brussels - 1971 (poor sound?) 2. Theatre du Taur - 1975 Tolouse Concert, Magma proper Single CDs... 1. VanderTop - 1976 Paris Live (with 'Music of the Spheres' prev. unrel.?) 2. JannickTop - Soleil d'Ork (with Magma alums guesting) 3. Magma - BBC Live 1974 Is by some chance, the 3-CD set these last three items? That would be cool, since I don't have any of 'em yet. Enquiring minds... Grakkl (FAA) From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Dec 8 00:11:56 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:11:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: Good CD deal? Just found this 2 CD set at Tower Records online for $6.99 + Shipping The Hard & The Heavy Volume One http://www.towerrecords.com/product.asp?pfid=1710568 Have seen it elsewhere online for $14.99 used and $19 new. I have to get it as a Monster Magnet completist! They're one of the various artists on the compilation. "Gimme Danger - Monster Magnet" Karen From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Dec 8 04:06:09 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 04:06:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: KK forwards... >Good CD deal? Here are the details, below. Note that Gimme Danger also appeared on the Iggy Tribute disc entitled "We Will Fall." So perhaps this might be even more valuable to a Motorhead Kollector if this live version of Overnight Sensation were to not be available elsewhere (I have no idea actually). Of course, you're still stuck with absolute freaking rubbish like Limp Bisquick, Kid Blockhead, and Rob Zombie. Blasphemy to put awesome groups like Amorphis, MMagnet, and the Lemster on a piece of plastic with this awful lot! Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Insider - Jammin' for Smiling God (the more I listen to this, the more I love it...Scott H....you need this CD, if you don't already have it...Vinyl Magic/Beard of Stars, Italy - blistering stoner-space rock) AnotherObCD: Bedouin - As Above, So Below (but then you already knew that didn't ya?) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Release date: 11/02/1999 Label: Redline Records Catalog#: 75997 CD - $6.99 On Sale! (Regular Price: $7.99) Track Listing: DISC 1: THE HARD: Introduction I Am The Bullgod - Kid Rock (Licursi Live mix) Gimme Danger - Monster Magnet Son Of X-51 - Powerman 5000 Black - Sevendust (live) Bad Blood - Ministry Over The Edge - Fu Manchu Avon - Queens Of The Stone Age Hollywood - P.O.D. Stuck Between A Rock And A White Face - One Minute Silence Edgecrusher - Fear Factory (Urban Assault mix) >From This Day - Machinehead Fake - Puya Choke - Sepultura Under The Surface - Neurosis (edited version) I Am The Dog - Nevermore DISC 2: THE HEAVY: Counterfeit - Limp Bizkit (Lethal Dose Extreme Guitar mix) Living Dead Girl - Rob Zombie (Naked Exorcism mix) Big Truck - Coal Chamber ('97 remix) Raw - Staind Spit It Out - Slipknot Wisconsin Death Trip - Static-X Anarchy In The U.K. - Megadeth When You Lie - Orange 9mm Ty Jonathan Down - Videodrone Detached - Spineshank Eye For An Eye - Soulfly Isolation - Grip Inc. Overnight Sensation - Motorhead (live) Breathe Out - Nothingface Divinity - Amorphis ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, don't get this one confused with another single CD compilation also called Hard & the Heavy, as below. Funny that this one is also priced at $6.99. http://www.towerrecords.com/product.asp?pfid=2546890#ra From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Sat Dec 8 05:19:57 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 04:19:57 -0600 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: mjec.storer, a boclist member, just emailed me a virus. A backdoor trojan with the filename "humor.mp3.scr" Be on the lookout, you will be getting copies of it yourself if you've posted here recently. Shame on mjec.storer From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Dec 8 06:10:55 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:10:55 -0000 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: This is where is can lead to tears. I bought a DVD player from the States (I live in Belfast) and it wouldn't produce a watchable image on my TV. I bought a new TV which supported both PAL and NTSC input, and everything is fine. It's one of those awkward bolloxes, 'cos even after finding a power transformer to drop the voltage from the UK 240v to the US 110v, I still had to get a new telly. Happily tho' the bank said OK, and I got a nice 38" widescreen... Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Followup DVD question > Oh, so the player's output is then 'NTSC' or 'PAL' no matter what the DVD > is? Then a Region 1-playing DVD player (power-adjusted) plugged into a Swiss > TV set is no good, no matter what the DVD is encoded for? > > I'm stupid. > > Grakkl (FAA) > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 7 18:56:56 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:56:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: 3 - 'Chronicles', 'Nottingham' and 'Night Of' DVD's, with 'Nott' also on video tape too. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Guizar" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Followup DVD question > From: "K Henderson" > > > What are the Hawkwind DVD's so far? I think there's a Chronicle and also > > the Nottingham show already on DVD, right? Are they Region 2's only, > > separate Region 1 and 2, or Region 0 (all regions?)? > > I happen to have Night Of The Hawks handy. On the back, lower > right (above bar-code), there's a big 0 and it says region free above that. > > Jerry From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 8 08:23:48 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:23:48 GMT Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question. Paging Mr. Mather... In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:20:08 -0500 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > >Anyone who is refering to DVDs in terms of NTSC and PAL hasn't fully grasped > >the difference. The DVD player and the TV can be NTSC or PAL, but the data > >on the DVD discs is the same anywhere in the world, the only difference > being >the Region Code which, as people have said, can be gotten round > without much >fuss. > > Oh, so the player's output is then 'NTSC' or 'PAL' no matter what the DVD > is? That doesn't sound right either. I can lay a Euro region DVD in my DVD drive. The TV card can then take the signal and be software configured to output either NTSC or PAL. perhaps in separate DVD players, all this is part of the player and is hardware configured? Paging Mr. Mather.... FoFP From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 8 14:20:04 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:20:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: What's new? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/6/01 2:19 PM, "Brian Halligan" wrote: > There hasn't been much BOC to speak of. Did anyone make it to the Helen > Wheels tribute concert on Tuesday? I'd love to hear a report! Here is an overview from fan, CageyBoorman, posted on the Brain Surgeons AOL board: Now that I'm fully recovered from Tuesday night, I will reveal my thoughts and feelings about the Helen Wheels Tribute Show. Lazer Dave, I did promise you a report. So, listen up. Everyone open your ears. The night started with pizza. That's right. New York's favorite fast food. My good friend Mike and i arrived at Don hill's early to find close parking and hopefully chat with other's. We walked into Don Hill's and whom did i see? my good friend Bolle. my L.A. neighbor in the flesh. Shining skull and all. Love that new look buddy :) After we exchanged hugs and a few laughs, i designated myself the goofer and collected cash for the above-mentioned pizza, hopped in the car with Mike , and prayed our parking spot would still be there when we came back. It was. We all started devouring the pies when Sandy, Buck and their daughter arrived. I offered Mr. & Ms. Roeser some slices. They accepted and we shared in some conversation. Sandy, you kicked ass on Hero's....:) The show started shortly after with some memories of Helen from Albert. You could see the love in his eyes, and the big Bouchard grin was present. The show began musically with the band Static Cling. They performed songs which were unfamiliar to me except "As i Bleed" which they recorded for the Tribute album. It was heartfelt and awesome. They rocked. Next we heard the power trio Bouchard, Dunaway and Smith. Let me tell you something, these guys can boogie with any stock car on the circuit. The highlight on the set for me was "Fallen Angel". Neal Smith keeps a wonderful beat on this version as Dunaway, while Joe shows us that his guitar skills are very inventive. Blew me away. Next we had The Brain Surgeons. Songs like" Niagara Falls, Hero (performed with Sandy, Buck and Joe) opened my heart like never before. You could see this was all for Helen. The power of everyone's output. It was magical. Seeing Buck, Albert and Joe performing on stage once again with a passion and love for music. Helens lyrics. Ill never forget that night. The highlight of the night. Talking with Sandy. Listening to Helens brother speak about his sisters life her on earth. Buck, Albert, Joe, Sandy and the rest doing "Born to Rock". A quick, appropriate homage to George Harrison with Sandy and Bucks version of "In my Life". Meeting new friends. I can go on and on. My final thoughts are love....love...love...that's all you need...a little laughter wouldn't hurt either. Life is Good P.S. Manitoba's Kingdom also kicked some serious butt It was a really good show as you can see. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 8 14:27:19 2001 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:27:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: What's new? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/6/01 2:19 PM, "Brian Halligan" wrote: > There hasn't been much BOC to speak of. Did anyone make it to the Helen > Wheels tribute concert on Tuesday? I'd love to hear a report! Here's another review from Oystergirl99 from the AOL BOC board: What a night we were treated to on tuesday for the Helen Wheels tribute concert! As Deborah Frost said just before the brain surgeons played Sinful Love--Helen is Alive and well and with us tonight--I turned to Timmmmaaa and said--yeah, and she is rocking her ass off too!!! There was a great turn out with tons of cameras and videos and taping (Bolle, i hope that tape came out well--would love to hear it!) It was cute to see everyone roadying themselves! I am not too sure of all the bands that played and all the people who participated, but everyone seemed to be having fun and the music sounded great--though a bit loud on the feedback end. Here are the highlights for me--BDS sounded great doing Fallen Angel--I had never seen Joe Play and it was quite a treat! Joe then called up Buck and Sandy and ripped into Born to Rock from Flat out--Wow! it was killer and got the place really rocking! Nice to finally hear something live off Flat out. The Brain Surgeons then turned it up a notch with Sinful Love. I think they really do a great job with this one!!! Then Joe strapped on a bass and Buck the black and gold steinberger--Albert took the throne and the crowd went wild as they were introduced as Blue Oyster Cult. And thats when Sandy Dharma kicked royal ass with Hero--what a beautiful song!!! She rocked the house for sure with her awesome voice and strong performance. Thanks girl! Buck then sang another sweet song from the Helen Wheels tribute album, Elle Sol. Buck and Sandy then gave tender tribute to George Harrison with In My Life. Felice Raiser (sp) then joined the band for Lover's Loan. The audience was then blown away With Nosferatu, Tattoo Vampire and Last but definitely not least--with no less than three bass players, Helen's brother sitting in, Sandy, Tish and Snooky on backup and Jack Secret on the cowbell--Dont Fear the Reaper. A fitting end to a beautiful tribute. On the train home tim and i were like--Wow--i cant believe we were lucky enough to be there and see that--so many great songs that Helen had a hand in and wonderful BOC songs i had never had the chance to see live--what a treat!!! As Miss Sandy said--its gonna be a magical night--and thanks to so many wonderful people, it sure as hell was!!! Got quite a few great pictures--i will post a link when i can get them up and thanks in advance to Jack and Alma for their help! Great to see Bolle, Mark and Lisa, Anton, Dani, Tim and Tom, James and Rene and Esquire535--nice to meet you, but i cant remember your first name! sorry! :) From mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Dec 8 15:43:20 2001 From: mjec.storer at NTLWORLD.COM (mjec.storer) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:43:20 -0000 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: Rather than trying to lay some guilt trip on me, for something I have not the slightest idea about, wouldn't some constructive advice as to what may have happened, and how to fix the problem be more useful? I am sorry if I have caused any problems to anyone on the list! Mark Storer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Off: virus from list member > mjec.storer, a boclist member, just emailed me a virus. A backdoor trojan > with the filename "humor.mp3.scr" > > Be on the lookout, you will be getting copies of it yourself if you've > posted here recently. > > Shame on mjec.storer From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Sat Dec 8 16:23:48 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:23:48 -0600 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: But you are guilty, and there is little excuse. Don't go on a guilt trip, you've already said you're sorry, that's great. The email I sent to your private address bounced? Just go to google or somewhere and do a search on "humor.mp3.scr". Or, I know for fact, Mcafee has removal instructions. That's where I looked to see what kind of virus you emailed me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mjec.storer" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Off: virus from list member > Rather than trying to lay some guilt trip on me, for something I have not > the > slightest idea about, wouldn't some constructive advice as to what may have > happened, and how to fix the problem be more useful? > I am sorry if I have caused any problems to anyone on the list! > Mark Storer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Witt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:19 AM From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Sat Dec 8 16:44:16 2001 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:44:16 -0600 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Archieve disks Message-ID: Just got disks 3 and 4. Took 30 seconds to get from mailbox to player. Hope they are worth having tripped over the cat. Riordan From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 8 17:12:11 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:12:11 +0000 Subject: Off: virus from list member In-Reply-To: <001d01c1802e$a0b12760$d6a4e73f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: In message <001d01c1802e$a0b12760$d6a4e73f at m8v3c0>, Dan Witt writes >But you are guilty, and there is little excuse. Not trying to start a flame-war here, but I feel rather uncomfortable seeing a fellow list-member being publicly told "shame on you" and "you are guilty" over what was obviously an innocent mistake. I suppose this is a private matter but since it's being conducted on-list I feel free to comment- so c'mon Dan, it's clearly an accident, it's easy to pass on viruses without realising, stop making a morality play out of it. I've received email viruses from work colleagues in the past- shit happens. I wouldn't dream of telling them they were "guilty" blah blah. As far as I'm aware I've never passed a virus on but that's due more to luck than judgement. Even the most effective anti-virus software isn't 100% bomb-proof. Season's greetings to all! -- Nick Medford From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Dec 8 18:44:26 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:44:26 EST Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: In a message dated 12/8/2001 4:13:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Warren_Oates at MSN.COM writes: << But you are guilty, and there is little excuse. >> Beat wife (check) Kick dog (check) Chopped glass in grannies egg salad (check) Merry Crimbles b From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Sat Dec 8 19:03:40 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:03:40 -0600 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" > free to comment- so c'mon Dan, it's clearly an accident, it's easy to pass on > viruses without realising, stop making a morality play out of it. I've received > email viruses from work colleagues in the past- shit happens. I wouldn't > dream of telling them they were "guilty" blah blah. As far as I'm aware I've > never passed a virus on but that's due more to luck than judgement. Even > the most effective anti-virus software isn't 100% bomb-proof. AV software is not to blame, I don't even use it. When you get an email with an attachment and it's an executable, don't execute the damn thing(unless you know exactly what it is). It's really that simple. Also if you're using outdated software you open yourself up to these problems too. An old MS Outlook express will run the virus for you, without you asking it to. I know some of you fiercely defend you're right to use outdated software, so I won't say anymore about it. The shame comment was only fired off cause I thought he had been careless. I thought it was a mild statement. Anyway no hard feelings to anybody, just don't spread viri, please. From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Sat Dec 8 20:54:14 2001 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:54:14 -0700 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: Dan, if you're going to start pointing fingers and assigning guilt, maybe you should first make the effort to be informed about what you're talking about. This virus is not called "humor.mp3.scr" (that's only one of many names it uses for the attachment), it is called "W32.Badtrans.B at mm". Please read the following: "Email messages use the malformed MIME exploit to allow the attachment to execute in Microsoft Outlook without prompting. For information on this, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp " The critical words are "without prompting". You don't need to open the attachment, it opens itself. You might also want to read: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b at mm.html and then, assuming you're a reasonable human being, you might want to apologize to Mark Storer. You want to blame somebody? Blame Micro$oft, and the people who exploit their disregard for computer security. Guido Dan Witt wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick Medford" > > >>free to comment- so c'mon Dan, it's clearly an accident, it's easy to pass >> >on > >>viruses without realising, stop making a morality play out of it. I've >> >received > >>email viruses from work colleagues in the past- shit happens. I wouldn't >>dream of telling them they were "guilty" blah blah. As far as I'm aware >> >I've > >>never passed a virus on but that's due more to luck than judgement. Even >>the most effective anti-virus software isn't 100% bomb-proof. >> > >AV software is not to blame, I don't even use it. When you get an email >with an attachment and it's an executable, don't execute the damn >thing(unless you know exactly what it is). It's really that simple. > >Also if you're using outdated software you open yourself up to these >problems too. An old MS Outlook express will run the virus for you, without >you asking it to. I know some of you fiercely defend you're right to use >outdated software, so I won't say anymore about it. > >The shame comment was only fired off cause I thought he had been careless. >I thought it was a mild statement. Anyway no hard feelings to anybody, just >don't spread viri, please. > From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 8 21:32:15 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:32:15 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: >Also if you're using outdated software you open yourself up to these >problems too. Actually, in some cases, it can actually _protect_ you. Me, for instance, I use Eudora 1.5.2. It doesn't open attachments of its own volition. Plus, as technology evolves, viruses tend to follow the trend and are often specifically designed to attack softwares such as Outlook. So my old outdated Eudora actually protects me. OTOH, the last updated version of whatever client you use will only be safe until the next virus comes along. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 9 02:19:37 2001 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 07:19:37 -0000 Subject: Test Please Ignore Message-ID: TEST From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Dec 9 11:21:08 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:21:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Followup DVD question Message-ID: Those in the UK can easily buy modified machines, or get existing machines modified to play any disc irrespective of the region or added RCE coding which is added to some R1 discs to supposedly prevent this. You do NOT need a NTSC capable tv. www.multiregeionmagic.co.uk sell players like the panasonic RV41 at ?229 with the modification already done - list price in the UK is ?300 for the unmodded one. http://www.multi-region.co.uk/index.htm is another good source. I tend to buy the DVD's with the best spec, as US and UK releases differ in content, although US ones tend to be cheaper. Hope this helps RX oh ya the info on DVD region code of hw DVD has been on MC since it's release: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/dvd_cotbs.htm and http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/dvd_cotbs-cvr.htm From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 9 12:49:20 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:49:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: style of Hillage music? Message-ID: Jonny mentioned to me that Steve turns up at all the Gong gigs in London Dave -----Original Message----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 December 2001 07:43 Subject: Re: OFF: style of Hillage music? >Hi Doug, > >>I don't know, either. I figured he wasn't at the reunion since he hadn't >>played guitar in 20 years (although I guess I'm incorrect about that). > >During the last Gong-tour I spoke with Jonny Greene about that. And it's >exactly, as you've said: Steve thinks he isn't good enough anymore to play >the guitar live. No bad blood between him and Gong. >Although there's the possibility of a "glissando-orchestra" album with >Daevid and others, for which he would strum the strings again. > >(c)IAO > > D'and now to the Structural Dynamics exam :-('+R > From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Dec 9 13:59:00 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:59:00 -0500 Subject: HW: HW Members on TotalRock Message-ID: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++ STAR WARRIORS - New mission orders Please visit Mission Contol for data input re: Simon House / Dave Brock on TotalRock Radio on this coming Saturday. . . . . . Also, a teaser snippet re; a possible tour location next year that should please a few of you. . . . . Mission Control: www.hawkwind.org.uk http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/up_.htm ++Mission Ends :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 10 04:11:02 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:11:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Hi Folks... Looks like hope for the next Porcupine Tree album just went south as they've just signed to a sublabel (Lava) of Atlantic Records! :) Well, I won't pass judgement yet. But the fact that "Dimbulb Sun" was nothing to crow about and "Recordings" was virtually a waste of plastic, I'm not expecting great things. More interesting is the news that the last 2 IEM works ("Have Come For Your Children", "Arcadia Son") are now out on CD in limited fashion. I only have the first self-titled. I think there was a second one called "Elevator to Christmas" or something like that. Is that still LP only? So who carries these IEM thingies? Andy Gee? Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Nice to hear that the HW Canterbury show is scheduled for a passport release! Whose recording is it I wonder? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 10 10:06:48 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:06:48 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member In-Reply-To: <200112090232.VAA14352@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Alex S. Garcia wrote: => >Also if you're using outdated software you open yourself up to these => >problems too. => => Actually, in some cases, it can actually _protect_ you. Me, for instance, I => use Eudora 1.5.2. It doesn't open attachments of its own volition. Plus, as => technology evolves, viruses tend to follow the trend and are often => specifically designed to attack softwares such as Outlook. So my old => outdated Eudora actually protects me. You can also improve your protection a lot by not using Intel CPUs. I imagine the number of virus writers with knowledge of, let alone coding for the Alpha 21x64 architecture series, for example, can be counted on the fingers of one hand that has been involved in several bad industrial accidents... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nycademon at ATTBI.COM Mon Dec 10 10:28:31 2001 From: nycademon at ATTBI.COM (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:28:31 -0700 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: I was wondering when you'd pipe up and do the anti-Intel, anti-Micro$oft soapbox thingy. :-) Another effective method (I think, I haven't tried it), should you be foolish enough to use Intel/Micro$oft ccombinations :-) , is to get a firewall (like ZoneAlarm), and set it so Outlook has to ask before acting as a server. That would give some indication of worm activity, and help prevent transmission to folks you email. Guido Paul Mather wrote: >On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >=> >Also if you're using outdated software you open yourself up to these >=> >problems too. >=> >=> Actually, in some cases, it can actually _protect_ you. Me, for instance, I >=> use Eudora 1.5.2. It doesn't open attachments of its own volition. Plus, as >=> technology evolves, viruses tend to follow the trend and are often >=> specifically designed to attack softwares such as Outlook. So my old >=> outdated Eudora actually protects me. > >You can also improve your protection a lot by not using Intel CPUs. I >imagine the number of virus writers with knowledge of, let alone coding >for the Alpha 21x64 architecture series, for example, can be counted on >the fingers of one hand that has been involved in several bad industrial >accidents... :-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 10 10:46:36 2001 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Allen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:46:36 -0000 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: You leave Tony Iommi out of this... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mather" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Off: virus from list member >I imagine the number of virus writers with knowledge of, let alone coding > for the Alpha 21x64 architecture series, for example, can be counted on > the fingers of one hand that has been involved in several bad industrial > accidents... :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 10 11:10:45 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:10:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:11:02 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >More interesting is the news that the last 2 IEM works ("Have Come For Your >Children", "Arcadia Son") are now out on CD in limited fashion. I only have >the first self-titled. I think there was a second one called "Elevator to >Christmas" or something like that. Is that still LP only? So who carries >these IEM thingies? Try http://www.burningshed.com/ Has anyone here heard either of these IEM releases? I do quite like "The Gospel According To...", but not enough to automatically fork out for more. Comments? Now- does anyone know where I can get the album by Speaker\Cranker?? The only place I can find is Pere Ubu's online "Ubutique" but ordering from there is a convoluted business if you're not in the US (plus the shipping is almost as much as the CD) - involves setting up a Paypal account- has anyone used this? Is it safe/secure etc etc? I would rather order it from somewhere closer to home and not pay the prohibitive shipping costs if possible. Paging Andy G... again... NM From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Mon Dec 10 11:31:17 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:31:17 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: I have used paypal, with no problems. My only complaint is that they claim no charge is made to me to pay money out, but always what appears on my visa statement is 5-35c more than I have paid out. I have not complained about this, because I am british (dammit). I like it because it is so quick and easy, and lots of non-professional Ebayers use it. If they included a method of paying in ? as well as $ it would be better. Mike w > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Medford [mailto:nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK] > Sent: 10 December 2001 16:11 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Now- does anyone know where I can get the album by > Speaker\Cranker?? The > only place I can find is Pere Ubu's online "Ubutique" but > ordering from > there is a convoluted business if you're not in the US (plus > the shipping > is almost as much as the CD) - involves setting up a Paypal > account- has > anyone used this? Is it safe/secure etc etc? I would rather > order it from > somewhere closer to home and not pay the prohibitive shipping costs if > possible. Paging Andy G... again... > > NM > Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 10 12:01:55 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:01:55 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member In-Reply-To: <3C14D49F.3040005@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Guido Vacano wrote: => I was wondering when you'd pipe up and do the anti-Intel, anti-Micro$oft => soapbox thingy. :-) Hey, I want people to buy bucketloads of Intel products! In fact, anyone that isn't running a P4 system should feel DEEPLY ashamed and upgrade to one immediately as pennance. (It'll drive up the share price and increase my meagre dividends.:) => Another effective method (I think, I haven't tried it), should you be => foolish enough to use Intel/Micro$oft ccombinations :-) , is to get a => firewall (like ZoneAlarm), and set it so Outlook has to ask before => acting as a server. That would give some indication of worm activity, => and help prevent transmission to folks you email. Sadly, though, if the virus infects Outlook itself, then ZoneAlarm won't help you with those nasties that spread via e-mail, because that's what programs like Outlook are supposed to do (send e-mail). (Unless you force it to be okayed for every outgoing connection, in which case it would start to become a hassle pretty quickly.) It does protect against the payload activity, though, as you say, because you'll get an alarm about Outlook trying to connect to a weird port when it's trying to ship your keystroke log off to someone somewhere. (Unless, horrors, it ships it to a server listening on one of the mail ports, or, damn its eyes, it e-mails it to the bad guy...:) I've found the Norton antivirus "real-time file system protection" to be really effective in picking up viruses that come in through e-mail. (Well, not me, but a person I know who uses Windows 2000.) Its "liveupdate" makes it very easy in keeping current with known viruses, too. That person also uses the less-targeted Eudora instead of Outlook. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 10 12:09:11 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:09:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:31:17 -0000, Wright, Mike wrote: >I have used paypal, with no problems. My only complaint is that they claim >no charge is made to me to pay money out, but always what appears on my visa >statement is 5-35c more than I have paid out. I have not complained about >this, because I am british (dammit). I like it because it is so quick and >easy, and lots of non-professional Ebayers use it. If they included a method >of paying in ? as well as $ it would be better. > >Mike w Thanks for that. Although... there were loads of posts on Usenet at the weekend about some kind of "paypal scam", but I ignored them as I assumed they were a hoax or part of some scam themselves. Having just re-read the somewhat complicated instructions on the Ubutique site, I realise it is actually possible to pay by sterling cheque from the UK. So maybe I'll just do that. I do gag a bit at paying $7 for shipping, but I suppose when the CD itself is only $10, it's a reasonable swings-and- roundabouts equation. Back on Porcupine Tree- I see there are all sorts of PT obscurities/out- takes/limited editions being re-released. I've cooled on PT, so I find it hard to get too excited about this, but one that did catch my eye was "Staircase Infinities", recorded around the same time as "Up the Downstair"- easily their best album IMHO. I'm confident some folks here have that one - is it in a similar style to UtD or is it more in the later poppy mode? Incidentally, why does everyone cite "Stupid Dream" as the album where the major shift of style occurred? 'Cos to me, "Signify" is the one where everything changed. Yes, these changes become crystallised on the subsequent albums, but "Sky Moves Sideways" to "Signify" is more of a departure than "Signify" to "Stupid Dream", surely? NM From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 10 12:50:31 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:50:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Nick askes... >Back on Porcupine Tree- I see there are all sorts of PT obscurities/out- >takes/limited editions being re-released. I've cooled on PT, so I find it >hard to get too excited about this, but one that did catch my eye was >"Staircase Infinities", recorded around the same time as "Up the >Downstair"- easily their best album IMHO. I'm confident some folks here >have that one - is it in a similar style to UtD or is it more in the later >poppy mode? SI is nearly all-instrumental. Very dreamy/spacey material, more like the last track on UtD (forgotten the title). Certainly not poppy at all. It's only about 35 minutes or so, but I think it's worth it. It lacks a certain 'identity' being more like pure atmosphere, but sometimes atmosphere is what you want. >Incidentally, why does everyone cite "Stupid Dream" as the album where the >major shift of style occurred? 'Cos to me, "Signify" is the one where >everything changed. Yes, these changes become crystallised on the >subsequent albums, but "Sky Moves Sideways" to "Signify" is more of a >departure than "Signify" to "Stupid Dream", surely? I don't think so. I think the level of 'orchestration' and IMHO over-production (esp. on vocals) became an issue with "Stupid Dream." At least for me. I've never liked this about SD, but over time I began to realize that underneath all that schmaltziness was a great album trying to be heard. So I'm a (slightly hesitant) thumbs up about that album today. In contrast, I've hardly had any strong opinion whatsoever about the last two studio releases, other than them being just plain boring. >Now- does anyone know where I can get the album by Speaker\Cranker?? I could take a look in local stores for you...sometimes, they have this in the 'local' bin. I know the Cleveland store www.bentcrayon.com is another Pere Ubu-family friendly dealer. Dunno if overseas ordering would be any better with them though. Grakkl (FAA) From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Mon Dec 10 14:15:54 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:15:54 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: >I've found the Norton antivirus "real-time file system protection" to be >really effective in picking up viruses that come in through e-mail. >(Well, not me, but a person I know who uses Windows 2000.) Its >"liveupdate" makes it very easy in keeping current with known viruses, >too. That person also uses the less-targeted Eudora instead of Outlook. Yep. I can confirm this. Norton & its Liveupdate are great. That's what I use. I've disabled the option that scans incoming attachments for virus, though, as it was getting on my nerves (it pops up a blue screen, which is kinda scary as for a moment you think its _another_ blue screen!) and even crashed my PC last time I had it on. And since Eudora doesn't open files anyway, I just have it set so that Norton will check the folder where all attachments go at a set time everyday. And if I need to open one that I was expecting before that set time, I just run Norton on that specific file before opening it. Works just fine :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Dec 10 15:10:10 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:10:10 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Helen Wheels (was Re: BOC: What's new?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Al wrote: > Here is an overview from fan, CageyBoorman, posted on the Brain Surgeons > AOL > board: [thumbs up reviews snipped] > It was a really good show as you can see. > Al I'm looking forward to the DVD! I know some Brain Surgeons shows were taped. My wish for next Christmas (or even Christmas in July?) would be a "best of live" DVD with some clips of the band with Billy and Peter as well as the 3-piece. And a new album, of course. ;-) Brian From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Mon Dec 10 15:31:45 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:31:45 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Astoria XMAS Gig Message-ID: Anyone know when the doors open for this gig? I went to last years xmas gig and i recall that the doors opened quite early. I was wondering as i'll be at work that day and would like to know if it would be worth taking the day off so to get in early cheers Colm McWilliams ICQ: #62753543 From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 10 16:38:58 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:38:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 04:06:09 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >The Hard & The Heavy Volume One [...snip...] >Track Listing: >DISC 1: THE HARD: >Introduction >I Am The Bullgod - Kid Rock (Licursi Live mix) >Gimme Danger - Monster Magnet >Son Of X-51 - Powerman 5000 >Black - Sevendust (live) >Bad Blood - Ministry >Over The Edge - Fu Manchu >Avon - Queens Of The Stone Age >Hollywood - P.O.D. Sorry ... long, pointless, incredibly off-topic post here, but I saw this band (P.O.D.) friday night and felt I had to share the experience ... My bandmates were going to see the Live 105 (local commercial alternarock station) "Not So Silent Night" package show (7 bands, last year's was headlined by Green Day) at the San Jose hockey arena, so I figured I'd go along to check out the scene, even though I wasn't really familiar with any of the acts. See what the kids are listening to these days, especially since I never went to one of these kinds of shows (new popular acts, that is) when I was that age (the shows I went to in High School were all classic rock bands who had at least 8 or 10 albums to their credit - I'm pretty sure all these bands have only one, or at most, two, albums out - and the alternarock shows I attended in college and later were all in auditoriums/theaters, not 12000-seat arenas). The Bands ... A.F.I. - my bandmate described them as "arena punk"; a bit of Janes Addiction bombast, some Bad Religion type anthems, and some hardcore-era Misfits rhythms and "whoa-ho" singalong choruses. Pretty boring. Alien Ant Farm - the first of many rap/metal-damaged acts of the night. I thought that stuff was going to be replaced by bubblegummy stuff like Blink 182 or Smashmouth, but it's still going strong! Does anyone outside the USA listen to this stuff (surely not in the UK)? Boring, singer's "dorky" affectations between songs weren't amusing. Puddle of Mud - I think this is the band that has a "feud" going with the guy from Limp Bizkit (who "discovered" them ... whatever ... ). They don't sound like that band, though, more like retro-grunge (Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, maybe Smashing Pumpkins). Once again, pretty dull. Sum 41 - Canadian commercial punk rockers sorta like that other band with a one-syllable-word and a number for their name. Redeemed (IMO) by their sense of humor, dropping in Iron Maiden licks for one of their outros, and the singer being a geniune snotty Canadian. Not bad, but no No Means No, that's for sure! P.O.D. - OK, the guys from Flipper *already* parodied the naming convention with their side project, "A3I" (Any 3 Initials - remember the early-80s hardcore era of MDC, SOD, MOD, SSD, SWA, JFA, and too many others to name). But more rap/metal than hardcore. Even more boring than any of the previous bands. They DEFINITELY DON'T belong after Fu Manchu and QotSA on a compilation! System of a Down - these guys have one song that's being played to death on commercial radio right now (the one with the line about "I cry when angels deserve to die" or something), and were at least fairly interesting, with a lot of weird changes and low-key subsections in their (you guessed it!) rap/metal-type songs. Probably a band that people into "neo-prog" (i.e. longer songs, lots of dynamics/time signature/key signature changes) along the lines of Tool would like. Linkin Park - every other band of the night had a four piece guitar/bass/drums/singer lineup (a couple of the singers played second guitar), but these guys added a rapper (in addition to the singer) and a DJ, who's actually the main reason I'm posting this message here. Mostly, the DJ seemed to play "backing tracks" (keyboards & percussion) for the band to play along with (pretty lame IMO), but occasionally, he'd spin records with synth effects on them. And damned if some if his between-song synth sounds didn't sound frighteningly like the parts between songs on 'Space Ritual' (only with less delay)!!! Obviously, that was the best part of the band. So don't be surprised if you play Hawkwind for a High School kid, and he asks, "whoa dude, who's their DJ?". Except for the overall mediocrity of most of the bands (but hey, the crowd dug 'em all, and I'm not gonna argue with 12000 people), I actually came out with a positive impression. At least the kids are listening to ROCK, not some baggy-pants rave crap (apologies to all ravers on the list). At least the kids know how to score (a LOT of) weed (one of the station DJ's MC-ing the event made a comment about all the burning xmas trees). At least the bands stir up shit, the way rock bands are supposed to (you know they're playing to a teen crowd when they have to put this in the form of a question: "who here knows how to drink? who here knows how to do DRUGS? who here knows HOW TO FUCK?"), but the crowd was still well-behaved (there was a large and active mosh pit, but no fights or injuries besides the expected accidents ... no signs of obvious drunkeness or drug overuse, either). Despite the bands all being "hard" and/or "heavy", the crowd was decidedly mixed (gender-wise at least, there were, not surprisingly, very few blacks, but rather surprisingly [given the area demographic] few asians ... maybe asian parents are less likely to let their kids attend events like this ... at least that was true for most of my asian friends in high scool/college), and definitely would be a mecca for dirty old men (lots of young females in skimpy tops), but besides my party-of-five (me, guitarist, guitarist's wife, drummer, drummer's boyfriend), I couldn't have seen more than a half dozen people who looked over 25. Quite an experience, and one I'd be surprised if I ever repeated. I'll appreciate the next show I see in a dingy club with barely-operational PA with four other of my fellow-old-fart friends in the audience ALL THE MORE. And sorry for the abuse of bandwidth ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Dec 10 17:28:15 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:28:15 -0700 Subject: Off: virus from list member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah yeah, sure sure, and you can completely avoid infections by not using a computer at all....or maybe writing all of your own programs on a VIC-20. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Paul Mather > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:07 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Off: virus from list member > > > You can also improve your protection a lot by not using Intel CPUs. I > imagine the number of virus writers with knowledge of, let alone coding > for the Alpha 21x64 architecture series, for example, can be counted on > the fingers of one hand that has been involved in several bad industrial > accidents... :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Dec 10 17:32:12 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:32:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 Message-ID: Doug, A coule of answers for you below. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:38 PM [snip] > Alien Ant Farm - the first of many rap/metal-damaged acts of the night. I > thought that stuff was going to be replaced by bubblegummy stuff like Blink > 182 or Smashmouth, but it's still going strong! Does anyone outside the > USA listen to this stuff (surely not in the UK)? Boring, singer's "dorky" > affectations between songs weren't amusing. YES!! AAF had a mega hit in the UK a couple of months back with Smooth Criminal. Whether you like the music or not, it was a really clever move and the video was an excellent parody of Michael Jackson. Not sure if there was a message there such as 'We'll cover your song as a hit single but we'll take the piss out of you in the video'. Turned my 4 year old daughter into a metal fan for a few weeks so it was fun. [more snip] > Sum 41 - Canadian commercial punk rockers sorta like that other band with a > one-syllable-word and a number for their name. Redeemed (IMO) by their > sense of humor, dropping in Iron Maiden licks for one of their outros, and > the singer being a geniune snotty Canadian. Not bad, but no No Means No, > that's for sure! Only really heard the single Fat Lip by these but again it was a big(ish) hit in the UK. The video segued with that track that has the twin lead guitar break which was also quite fun if you don't take life too seriously. >[snip again] > System of a Down - these guys have one song that's being played to death on > commercial radio right now (the one with the line about "I cry when angels > deserve to die" or something), and were at least fairly interesting, with a > lot of weird changes and low-key subsections in their (you guessed it!) > rap/metal-type songs. Probably a band that people into "neo-prog" (i.e. > longer songs, lots of dynamics/time signature/key signature changes) along > the lines of Tool would like. Interesting group. I've heard them described as Armenian/Americans. There is a definite link with Tool as I've seen them praising each other to high heavens on a number of occassions. More likely to have a long career than a major 'one-off mega hit'. Perhaps the song that you are talking about is 'Chop Suey'. That's the one thats doing the rounds in the UK just now. > Linkin Park - every other band of the night had a four piece > guitar/bass/drums/singer lineup (a couple of the singers played second > guitar), but these guys added a rapper (in addition to the singer) and a > DJ, who's actually the main reason I'm posting this message here. Mostly, > the DJ seemed to play "backing tracks" (keyboards & percussion) for the > band to play along with (pretty lame IMO), but occasionally, he'd spin > records with synth effects on them. And damned if some if his between-song > synth sounds didn't sound frighteningly like the parts between songs > on 'Space Ritual' (only with less delay)!!! Obviously, that was the best > part of the band. So don't be surprised if you play Hawkwind for a High > School kid, and he asks, "whoa dude, who's their DJ?". And the answer is Andy Dunkley!! [snip] From stemfors at PIPELINE.COM Mon Dec 10 18:36:02 2001 From: stemfors at PIPELINE.COM (Stephan Forstner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:36:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma? Message-ID: >and for Magma fans we now have in the FANTASTIC Magma and Jannick Top set of >three archive CD's of all previously unreleased live and studio tracks from >the mid seventies, with four massive versions of 'De Futura' across the >three CD's - grab 'em now as deleted on 31st Decmber. 1. VanderTop - 1976 Paris Live (with 'Music of the Spheres' prev. unrel.?) 2. JannickTop - Soleil d'Ork (with Magma alums guesting) 3. Sporadic Utopic Orchestra - Nancy 75 (More info at utopic-records.com - site doesn't seem to be up at the moment though). Deleted already?! They just came out sometime in October I think! I was going to post a review of them in the new year after properly absorbing them, but sounds like that will be too late now, so I'll just make a few notes below. As for 4 versions of De Futura (plus a shorter earlier track that would later develop into DF) - that is almost two hours of H.P Lovecraft's Evil Deep Space Ritual - most of you probably already know if the thought of that has you slavering like a Shoggoth on the trail of some Old Ones, or staring in slack-jawed stupefecation, or running gibbering for the exits with your hands over your ears and your sanity in shreds. >I wouldn't mind someone relating >their opinions of what are the more valuable ones (keeping in mind that I >don't like the vocal-chorus-dominated MDK as much as the Udu Wudu-manic bass >style of Magma w/Top)... Then you're in luck because, seeing as how they're out on Top's own label, they heavily feature the man in question. Alongside the intense jazz-fusion and the Wagnerian opera tributaries that fed the stream of molten Magma, there was a third important current, a sort of Lovecraftian elder mythos/horror soundtrack type of approach which reached its culmination in Udu Wudu, and which, based on these 3 discs, was largely due to the input of Top. At its best it was eerie and intense and impressive and scary too - at its worst it bordered on Munsters-style cheesiness (the old TV show, not Muenster cheese). Also based on these 3 discs, Top's take on this style was definitely in the first category - it is when CVander started to concentrate on writing this type of material that the cheese crept in (Troller Tanz for example, not one of my favorite Magma tunes). The VanderTop live 76 disc has almost the same lineup as the great Magma Live (75) set, and the centerpiece is the 2 20+ minute songs La Musique Des Spheres and De Futura. The 1st (LMDS) is I believe prev. unrel., though versions of it also appear on the other 2 discs. And that one track is fantastic, almost by itself making the disc a must-have IMHO. It starts with an eerie space-music synth section, 7 minutes or so, folowed by an intense, fairly melodic vocal section for another 5 minutes or so, and closes with what is essentially a 10-minute bass solo that really has to be heard to be believed. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, that I have previously heard from Top (or just about anyone else for that matter) has the impact of this stretch of music, not even De Futura comes close. I will put up a sample of it but that will have to wait until January unfortunately. The disc as a whole falls a bit short of being Magma Live part 2, though, as it seems to be overall much less of a group effort - they were billed as VanderTop instead of Magma, and everyone else is relegated to a more-or-less support role, at least on the Top compositions - but it's still quite good. Soleil D'Ork is already one of my favorite Magma-related discs - nothing on it quite matches the aforementioned LMDS bass solo (actually just about nothing anywhere does), but the disc as a whole is outstanding. Some points of interest - a shorter track that would later have its theme extended into De Futura (Epithecantropus Erectus), longer versions of some tracks that were cut down for release on Magma albums or singles (the title track and Mekanik Machine), and a fantastic (apparently the first) take on De Futura which manages to sound both much more industrial (many-tracked soundscapes and a monotonous percussive beat) and much more rock (Richard Pinhas' guitar) than future versions. RP doesn't do anything too wild, but by having the main themes played on guitar simultaneously w/ the bass the overall effect is rather different. At the moment this is probably my favorite version of DF, though YMMV. Also present, a later version of LMDS which comprises only the 1st space-synth section with drummers from Dakar playing percussion (I think - all liner notes are in French, and I get the gist of them, though not all the details) and several tracks of varying styles (eerie synth space-music to instense Magma-style pieces) that appear here for the first time, all uniformly good IMHO. Finally, the SUO disc has 2 versions of De Futura from sequential days (a rehearsal and the live show) which are described I believe as the 1st public performance of the piece - 18 musicians are present, including most of the usual suspects from Magma. I haven't listened to this one a lot yet, but I think it may end up being just as essential as the other two. It has a set of bonus tracks from Magma (74) and VanderTop (76) as well, one of which is LMDS again. Stephan P.S. I will be going off-line until the middle of January, so I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, a Joyous Yuletide, a Happy Solstice, other appropriate religious holiday greetings, or a generalized non-denominational wish for Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards Men, and here's hoping the New Year is a whole lot better than the last third of this one. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 10 18:27:49 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:27:49 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, KevinSommers wrote: => Yeah yeah, sure sure, and you can completely avoid infections by not using a => computer at all....or maybe writing all of your own programs on a VIC-20. Or a Sinclair Mk14. Ah, the good old daze... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 10 19:28:32 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:28:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 Message-ID: DJ DoPe bringz us old-schoolerz up to date... but first... >>The Hard & The Heavy Volume One OK, I saw this comp. in the store today and flipped through the booklet briefly...and it looks like the "Overnight Sensation" on there is from the "Everything Louder than Everyone Else" live 2CD. At least there's a photo of the album cover in there. For Monster Magnet, they had the Powertrip cover scanned in there, whereas their 'Gimme Danger' cover didn't actually appear on that album, so...not sure absolutely if that proves that this MH tune is the same or not...but I would guess it's nothing unique. >A.F.I. >Alien Ant Farm >Puddle of Mud >Sum 41 >P.O.D. - OK, the guys from Flipper *already* parodied the naming convention >with their side project, "A3I" (Any 3 Initials - remember the early-80s >hardcore era of MDC, SOD, MOD, SSD, SWA, JFA, Hmmmm...I don't actually know who these be..."Masters of Destruction" seems vaguely familiar. I saw a band once called Corrosion of Conformity (musta been one of those Danzig shows I saw) - I think they went by COC. They were really nasty FWIR. I think Slayer may have been on that bill too. So what does POD stand for? In high school, we were all forced to take a course in POD, which was Problems of Democracy...was that a Pennsylvania thing or a national thing? >System of a Down >Linkin Park - every other band of the night had a four piece >guitar/bass/drums/singer lineup (a couple of the singers played second >guitar), but these guys added a rapper (in addition to the singer) and a >DJ, who's actually the main reason I'm posting this message here. Mostly, >the DJ seemed to play "backing tracks" (keyboards & percussion) for the >band to play along with (pretty lame IMO), but occasionally, he'd spin >records with synth effects on them. And damned if some if his between-song >synth sounds didn't sound frighteningly like the parts between songs >on 'Space Ritual' (only with less delay)!!! Obviously, that was the best >part of the band. So don't be surprised if you play Hawkwind for a High >School kid, and he asks, "whoa dude, who's their DJ?". Hmmm...my brother has mentioned thinking this band (LP) is 'ok'...and if they have a rapper, I find that rather hard to understand! But then, his taste has been gradually eroding over the years, due to (I'm pretty sure) the fact that his son is now 14 and the influences are starting to work both ways now rather than just 'downhill.' :) Last time I visited his place, he was playing Rammstein, and I thought the world was coming to an end! :) What is that stuff anyway? Is that "N?-metal?" I'd call it gimmick-industrial....can't say it's awful, but it is rather um....obvious...should I say? Kinda like those dudes with the weird costumes, Slipknot. Never actually heard them, just seen photos. I can only imagine they're truly awful. Blink 182 I heard for the first time several days ago on Conan O'Brien (he has all the lame-o pop/alternative bands) and thought maybe they were Green Day. Blah and Double blah. "Hey, Green Day - You're from Portland! Act like it!" On rap/metal, I remember a band from about 10 years ago (maybe three words in their name) that were definitely 50% of each, and I just laughed at the absurdity of it (little did I know...). I think they were Canadians. Seemed like they were one of the first, if not truly the first (not counting that 'Right to Party' thing by the Beastie Boys...was about that same time). Anyway, if someone knows who I'm talking about, are they seen as some sort of 'legendary' trend-setters nowadays? They were really bad. I don't know if they still exist - I think the 'singer' did something on his own for awhile at least. Anyway, I'm kind of interested to look at this year's top 100 sellers - I remember that last year, the list I saw contained absolutely nothing that I had purchased. I did buy the Tool Lateralus CD recently (there's one at least), and I even think it's worth having. I'm amazed that this CD is so popular - they played here at Ohio State in the huge bball arena (that can seat 18000, but I'm not sure they had the full thing open that night). It really is quite the prog rock opus. (King Crimson opened for them? I didn't realize it was working this way - KC I'm sure wasn't here that night with Tool. What's next? Hawkwind opening for Monster Magnet?) Do kids think that Tool invented prog? :) As I don't ever hear the radio (my car hasn't had one in five years or so, not that I even drive more than once a week), so I only get little snippets of pop music from TV and in various businesses (like record stores). Today for instance, I heard some female-fronted punk band that obviously recorded an album of cover tunes, as I heard one classic tune by Gang of Four redone and then 10,000 Maniacs' 'My Mother the War.' Who's that? Wasn't that No Doubt band was it? (Wasn't very good.) Anyway, somewhere else today I heard this popular rap/metal :) tune with the lyric "Hey now, You're an all-star..." which has to be about the worst song I've ever heard. And what's disgusting about it is that I can see that they put in a whole bunch of sports-cliches in it in order to give it 'arenability,' i.e., the 'Who Let the Dogs Out'-style free promo in every sports arena in the United States. Because every one of them plays exactly the same 15 songs (at ever-increasing volume*), including three by Gary Glitter (what a genius he was!) and once you get onto that playlist, man, you're famous for life! Even if nobody even knows who did that song. *Columbus has entered the 'big time' since we know have NHL hockey, so I've heard how loud they play this shite now. >Except for the overall mediocrity of most of the bands (but hey, the crowd >dug 'em all, and I'm not gonna argue with 12000 people), I actually came >out with a positive impression. At least the kids are listening to ROCK, >not some baggy-pants rave crap (apologies to all ravers on the list). At >least the kids know how to score (a LOT of) weed (one of the station DJ's >MC-ing the event made a comment about all the burning xmas trees). At >least the bands stir up shit, the way rock bands are supposed to (you know >they're playing to a teen crowd when they have to put this in the form of a >question: "who here knows how to drink? who here knows how to do DRUGS? >who here knows HOW TO FUCK?"), Too much of the first two, and the last one turns into a "Not today." Was this asked of people at the door for entry? Did they pull a Jay Leno and take all the young, attractive people out of the general admission and move them down front where they could be on camera and make a grey-haired old man look hip? Grakkl (FAA) Today's Horoscope...courtesy theonion.com "Your life will be lauded by parents' groups for containing no sex, drugs, profanity, violence, or adult situations." P.S. Today I bought Boredoms - Super, Bark Psychosis - Hex, and a sealed UK-version of Porcupine Tree's Sky Moves Sideways (for $7) as a for-trade/sale item. Nothing here from any Top 100 list. :( P.P.S. I looked again through my DVD collection (perhaps 15 items), and found that nearly all *do* have a region declaration, just not all in the same place. Some are on the back cover bottom, a '1' superimposed on a globe, but many are written out on the text ring on the disc itself in little tiny letters. A few are not marked anywhere at all. With one exception (a lone Region 0 disc - all regions), all of mine are specifically Region 1. Of course, I'm still ignorant about the NTSC-PAL concept in terms of DVD playing. It says right in my DVD manual that "DVD discs can be either NTSC or PAL, this player will play both types." Which, if what someone here said is true, is not really the correct story. But anyway, if the NTSC-PAL issue with DVD's is the output that goes off to the TV, well then, there's no switch or control on my machine for changing that, so I can only assume that it knows what the TV 'wants.' Actually, I do have my DVD player hooked through my VCR (Since my TV is old and doesn't have one of those special ports whatever they're called), but then my VCR really isn't doing anything with the signal I don't think (just sending it along through the auxilary), so I suppose it doesn't matter at all what type of VCR I have (of course, it's a NTSC only). So, as I'll never use a computer to watch a DVD (I never use one to listen to music...well, almost never - this one can't play music, and the one at home has such a slow dialup/modem that it takes forever to download anything, and streaming is impossible), when I get to Switzerland, I still wonder what happens when I buy a TV (now are these PAL vs. NTSC, or is it just the VCR?) and plug a US-DVD player into it. I know, I'm rambling incoherently and I'm fixated on a simple situation, but I'm hopelessly tech-illiterate. I use Eudora 1.4.4 (and Netscape 4.08) for instance, and wish I could still use my old DOS-based log-in email account (that the university nixed four years ago)...it was so much faster than what I use today (and I could do both email and USENET browsing at the same time so easily and it never 'crashed'), and anyway the web-linking crap I just find annoying. Has anybody ever been typing a web address in a standard Word-document and had the thing automatically create a damn blue/underlined link device in the middle of your document? Boy is that ever stupid. Yeah, I know, somewhere I can go and turn that feature off. If I ever was nostalgic about music, I'm finding myself 10 times more nostalgic about software from c. 1995. Everything that's changed in the last six years with computers has been (from what I can tell) for the purposes of 'entertainment.' Playing games, music, watching video - shit that I never do. Just makes the whole thing useless to me. The 'faster' they are, the longer it takes for me to get it to do what I want to do. I want text and I want numbers, that's all. (Yeah, photos/images too.) OK, I know half the people here are IT specialists or whatever and I've just dissed your whole field. Go ahead, call me a luddite. That's fine. P.P.P.S. I finally went out to the Post Orifice and sent out a crapload of stuff that I owed people. Sorry about the delay. So those of you waiting for a Quarkspace CD, they'll be coming in two-six days, depending on your relative distance from central Ohio. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 10 19:46:34 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:46:34 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Yes - Andy G it is - we have 'Children' (the one with Dave Anderson playing on it) in now and hope to have 'Arcadia' any day - you know, the same 'Arcadia' they brought out a year ago as a vinyl only release that would not be out on CD - hmmmm.............. As to Hawk Canterbury, I believe it is theirs and mixing desk unless something went wrong between desk and ears. Anyone wanting the Five Fifteen new CD single feat 'Hasssan I Sabbah' with Turner guesting, it's in stock now. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:11 AM Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree > Hi Folks... > > Looks like hope for the next Porcupine Tree album just went south as they've > just signed to a sublabel (Lava) of Atlantic Records! :) > > Well, I won't pass judgement yet. But the fact that "Dimbulb Sun" was > nothing to crow about and "Recordings" was virtually a waste of plastic, I'm > not expecting great things. > > More interesting is the news that the last 2 IEM works ("Have Come For Your > Children", "Arcadia Son") are now out on CD in limited fashion. I only have > the first self-titled. I think there was a second one called "Elevator to > Christmas" or something like that. Is that still LP only? So who carries > these IEM thingies? Andy Gee? > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Nice to hear that the HW Canterbury show is scheduled for a passport > release! Whose recording is it I wonder? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 10 19:49:43 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:49:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: I and we swear by Paypal - never had any problems there - the small print masks the reality that it's easy and simple - yes you pay a percentage but it's a lot smaller than bank drafts and a lot less risky than cash - recommended. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:31:17 -0000, Wright, Mike wrote: > > >I have used paypal, with no problems. My only complaint is that they claim > >no charge is made to me to pay money out, but always what appears on my > visa > >statement is 5-35c more than I have paid out. I have not complained about > >this, because I am british (dammit). I like it because it is so quick and > >easy, and lots of non-professional Ebayers use it. If they included a > method > >of paying in ? as well as $ it would be better. > > > >Mike w > > Thanks for that. Although... there were loads of posts on Usenet at the > weekend about some kind of "paypal scam", but I ignored them as I assumed > they were a hoax or part of some scam themselves. > > Having just re-read the somewhat complicated instructions on the Ubutique > site, I realise it is actually possible to pay by sterling cheque from the > UK. So maybe I'll just do that. I do gag a bit at paying $7 for shipping, > but I suppose when the CD itself is only $10, it's a reasonable swings-and- > roundabouts equation. > > Back on Porcupine Tree- I see there are all sorts of PT obscurities/out- > takes/limited editions being re-released. I've cooled on PT, so I find it > hard to get too excited about this, but one that did catch my eye was > "Staircase Infinities", recorded around the same time as "Up the > Downstair"- easily their best album IMHO. I'm confident some folks here > have that one - is it in a similar style to UtD or is it more in the later > poppy mode? > > Incidentally, why does everyone cite "Stupid Dream" as the album where the > major shift of style occurred? 'Cos to me, "Signify" is the one where > everything changed. Yes, these changes become crystallised on the > subsequent albums, but "Sky Moves Sideways" to "Signify" is more of a > departure than "Signify" to "Stupid Dream", surely? > > NM From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 04:59:41 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:59:41 -0500 Subject: Off: virus from list member Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:28:15 -0700, KevinSommers wrote: >Yeah yeah, sure sure, and you can completely avoid infections by not using a computer at all....or maybe writing all of your own programs on a VIC-20. 10 PRINT "I am a virus" 20 GOTO 10 From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 06:59:33 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:59:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:50:31 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >SI is nearly all-instrumental. Very dreamy/spacey material, more like the >last track on UtD (forgotten the title). "Fadeaway"- my favourite track on the album in fact, so that's pretty much sold it to me. >I think the level of 'orchestration' and IMHO >over-production (esp. on vocals) became an issue with "Stupid Dream." I would agree with that part, the production is gleaming but sterile on the recent releases. I've over-analysed this to death and beyond in the past so won't repeat myself but in short I think there's great merit in "Stupid Dream" (which I would rate higher than "Signify"), considerably less in "Lightbulb Sun", and very little indeed in "Recordings". > >>Now- does anyone know where I can get the album by Speaker\Cranker?? > >I could take a look in local stores for you...sometimes, they have this in >the 'local' bin. Well, that would be much appreciated, but if not I'm OK with getting it from Ubutique now I've unravelled the instructions on their site. I know the Cleveland store www.bentcrayon.com is another >Pere Ubu-family friendly dealer. Thanks for the pointer, there's nothing on the site about overseas ordering, but I've emailed them and await further instructions. Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 11 06:33:53 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:33:53 EDT Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: <200112110046.TAA23321@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2001, at 19:28, K Henderson wrote: > >P.O.D. - OK, the guys from Flipper *already* parodied the naming > >convention with their side project, "A3I" (Any 3 Initials - remember > >the early-80s hardcore era of MDC, SOD, MOD, SSD, SWA, JFA, > > Hmmmm...I don't actually know who these be..."Masters of Destruction" > seems vaguely familiar. I saw a band once called Corrosion of > Conformity (musta been one of those Danzig shows I saw) - I think they > went by COC. They were really nasty FWIR. I think Slayer may have > been on that bill too. > Corrision of Conformitiy have 'ifficially' changed their name to C.O.C. Maybe their fans can't mouth words liike Corrosion and Conformity? Doesn't exactly roll off the drug-addled tongue... > So what does POD stand for? Payable on Death. They are sort of a Jesus Freak band. They claim to not be religious, but I think that just means they aren't churchgoers. Like Creed and Three Doors Down, they're the kind of guys who thank 'god' prominently on their CD booklets... > What's next? > Hawkwind opening for Monster Magnet?) Do kids think that Tool > invented prog? :) Yes... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 11 08:08:34 2001 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:08:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC FAQ v3.3 now online Message-ID: I've updated the FAQ to include, among other things, all BOC and related CD releases over the past year. You can find the latest version at my website: http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman NOTE TO BEN COHEN - I appear to no longer be able to access the ftp archive server, so I can't get the FAQ uploaded to the BOC-L archives. Can you help? John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 11 08:32:22 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:32:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: <3C15B6E1.31466.16EC04@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: => Corrision of Conformitiy have 'ifficially' changed their name to C.O.C. => Maybe their fans can't mouth words liike Corrosion and Conformity? => Doesn't exactly roll off the drug-addled tongue... Pointless trivia: Apparently Warren Haynes guested on one of their latter studio albums. (So at least they have a modicum of good taste.:) I saw Corrosion of Conformity open for someone in Roanoke several years ago. I found them wholly unremarkable. I hear they're from North Carolina. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 11 07:41:59 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:41:59 EDT Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, at 8:32, Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: > > => Corrision of Conformitiy have 'ifficially' changed their name to > C.O.C. => Maybe their fans can't mouth words liike Corrosion and > Conformity? => Doesn't exactly roll off the drug-addled tongue... > > Pointless trivia: Apparently Warren Haynes guested on one of their > latter studio albums. (So at least they have a modicum of good > taste.:) > Did WH help produce their last disc? I wasn't knocking COC. Actually, I have a few of their discs. I dig their political stuff... > I saw Corrosion of Conformity open for someone in Roanoke several > years ago. I found them wholly unremarkable. I hear they're from > North Carolina. > They are Southern boys, not sure where. No virtuosic musicianship in the group, with the possible exception of the drummer, but I do dig their lyrics at times... theo From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 09:06:24 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:06:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: <001a01c12264$553b2ce0$388179d5@b> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:51:23 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Is it just me or is this the slowest boc-l has ever been? Is it tour >exhaustion? Is everyone having a major lurking session? I`ve been too busy making slides for the ICU Xmas gig next Monday to post messages! 300 down.. maybe 100 to go.. :) -S. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 11 09:11:12 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:11:12 +0800 Subject: HW: Where is everyone? Message-ID: The flu's viral isn't it? :-) Get well soon. I'm excited about the thought of HW coming down under next year. I might actually get to see them live. Doesn't matter which part of Oz they tour - I'll be there. There was talk on the IRC chat some time ago about a world tour. Let's hope everyone gets to see them in 2002. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: HW: Where is everyone? > Is it just me or is this the slowest boc-l has ever been? Is it tour > exhaustion? Is everyone having a major lurking session? > > Heh...I'm stuck in bed with the flu, humour me, lets have some messages > other than virus discussion. > > Rich W > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 11 11:06:27 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:06:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: (waaaaay OFF) Scene Report Alternarock USA 2001 In-Reply-To: <3C15C6D6.7605.5545BE@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: => Did WH help produce their last disc? I wasn't knocking COC. => Actually, I have a few of their discs. I dig their political stuff... Don't know about the production details, but Warren has been known to dab his hand in there. (I just saw him credited as co-producing the new Allmans studio recording now underway, along with Michael Barbiero.) => > I saw Corrosion of Conformity open for someone in Roanoke several => > years ago. I found them wholly unremarkable. I hear they're from => > North Carolina. => > => They are Southern boys, not sure where. No virtuosic musicianship => in the group, with the possible exception of the drummer, but I do => dig their lyrics at times... Sadly, the sound was not very good for their set, so I couldn't make out any of the lyrics. I only have one album of theirs, an LP (yes, *LP*) called "Animosity," from back when they were ostensibly a "hardcore" band. I haven't listened to it in ages, though. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 11:30:35 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:30:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 06:59:33 -0500, Nick Medford wrote: >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:50:31 -0500, K Henderson >wrote: >I know the Cleveland store www.bentcrayon.com is another >>Pere Ubu-family friendly dealer. > >Thanks for the pointer, there's nothing on the site about overseas >ordering, but I've emailed them and await further instructions. Oooh! I just heard back from them. They *do* send stuff here, and at very reasonable rates too. Speaker/Cranker CD is ordered! Thanks Keith! From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 11 11:43:23 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:43:23 +0300 Subject: OFF: online cd shops Message-ID: Hello! What good online cd shops do you know? Alisa From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Dec 11 11:53:53 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:53:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: Hi I heard about Monster Magnet from this list, bought God Says No and was, um, disappointed. It was much more mainstream than expected - I had the idea that they were a Space Rock band... So is it true that their earlier stuff was more spacey and that they have recently been pursuing the exposure they got on MTV? Anyone feel like providing a Rough Guide to Monster Magnet? :-) Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:11:56 -0600, Karen Kusic wrote: >I have to get it as a Monster Magnet completist! From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 11 12:15:43 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:15:43 +0300 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: >a Space Rock band... > > So is it true that their earlier stuff was more spacey and that they have > recently been pursuing the exposure they got on MTV? Anyone feel like > providing a Rough Guide to Monster Magnet? :-) It's stoner rock band with some spacey feeling. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 11 11:20:33 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:20:33 EDT Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <200112111653.LAA25996@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:53, Moonglum . wrote: > Hi > > I heard about Monster Magnet from this list, bought God Says No and > was, um, disappointed. It was much more mainstream than expected - I > had the idea that they were a Space Rock band... > A popular misconception given that DW is quick to sing HW's praises, and that a rendition of Brainstorm appears on SuperJudge. Still, God Says No totally blew me away, even though the US version doesn't include Down in the Jungle, the best song from the recording sessions, and which appears on the Euro versions of GSN... So is it true that their earlier stuff was more spacey and that they > have recently been pursuing the exposure they got on MTV? A lot of fans prefer their earliest stuff. I really like Dopes to Infinity, I'm so-so on Powertrip, a disc that DW has admitted was made with a calculated effort to make money and appease the record label. And I really like GSN, so go figure. I'm not so sure I'd describe any MM as mainstream, esp. the lyrics which are often hillarious, and drenched in sometimes obscure pop culture imagery. The music is great, but probably lacking in guitar playing flash for some listeners... Anyone feel > like providing a Rough Guide to Monster Magnet? :-) I'd like to see this too, as I'm a relatively recent convert... theo > Steve > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:11:56 -0600, Karen Kusic > wrote: > > > >I have to get it as a Monster Magnet completist! From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 11 12:40:13 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:40:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <3C15FA0C.16633.11D58B9@localhost> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > A lot of fans prefer their earliest stuff. I really like Dopes to Infinity, > I'm so-so on Powertrip, a disc that DW has admitted was made with > a calculated effort to make money and appease the record label. > And I really like GSN, so go figure. I'm not so sure I'd describe any > MM as mainstream, esp. the lyrics which are often hillarious, and > drenched in sometimes obscure pop culture imagery. The music is > great, but probably lacking in guitar playing flash for some > listeners... My fave is Spine of God. To me, it sounds like heavily-layered Black Sabbath with a psychedelic bent (especially with their notorious lyrics). In other words, Blanga! ;-) Their version of Sin's a Good Man's Brother is even better than Gov't Mule's.... I also like Dopes, but by then the sound had already become much more polished. Brian NP> The Green Pajamas "This is Where We Disappear" From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 12:39:25 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:39:25 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Astoria XMAS Gig Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:31:45 -0000, Colm McWilliams wrote: >Anyone know when the doors open for this gig? No, but whatever you do, don't go the Astoria! The gig's at the Forum!! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 11 11:47:10 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:47:10 EDT Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, at 12:40, Brian Halligan wrote: > My fave is Spine of God. To me, it sounds like heavily-layered Black > Sabbath with a psychedelic bent (especially with their notorious > lyrics). In other words, Blanga! ;-) Their version of Sin's a Good > Man's Brother is even better than Gov't Mule's.... > > I also like Dopes, but by then the sound had already become much more > polished. > There are guitar parts on Dopes that could be actionable by Tony Iommi, circa Black Sabbath Volume IV... theo From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Dec 11 12:52:57 2001 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:52:57 EST Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: All the pre-major label MM is quite good. Their first s/t release is more garage/heavy psych. 6 smokin tracks. My fav is this and Spine of God, a release that shows them starting to become mainstream, but quite good. closer to the "stoner rock" thing. TAB seams to be a big fav of HW fans, there's a super long track, that's heavy and spacey... I never really warmed up to it that much... after that, their LP's rock - but closer to the MTV generation, which to me seems the way they intended to go. If you look at DW's earlier pre-MM bogus "combat metal" efforts, you'll see that was probably his game plan all along. hey no shame there, bands are businesses, some want the $$$ and others pursue the art of it (and sometimes go hungry). final word from me: if you listen to commercial rock, listen to the A & M releases pretty rockin stuff, if however you lean towards "garage" rock, get the Glitterhouse stuff, mainly their 1st release. bob In a message dated 12/11/2001 11:54:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, sjyoules at VISTO.COM writes: > Hi > > I heard about Monster Magnet from this list, bought God Says No and was, > um, disappointed. It was much more mainstream than expected - I had the > idea that they were a Space Rock band... > > So is it true that their earlier stuff was more spacey and that they have > recently been pursuing the exposure they got on MTV? Anyone feel like > providing a Rough Guide to Monster Magnet? :-) > > Steve From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 11 12:58:18 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:58:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC FAQ v3.3 now online In-Reply-To: <3C160552.46D3EA65@mitre.org> Message-ID: John wrote: > I've updated the FAQ to include, among other things, all BOC and related > CD releases over the past year. You can find the latest version at my > website: > > http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman Thanks John. It's getting hard to remember a time when there wasn't a BOC FAQ! Any idea if the FAQ's had any jump in hits since CotHM was released? I curious to know if anyone has discovered the band recently (as I did in '92). Are there any newbies on the AOL board? Brian NP> The Green Pajamas "This is Where We Disappear" From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 13:47:23 2001 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:47:23 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Astoria XMAS Gig Message-ID: Nick Medford wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:31:45 -0000, Colm McWilliams asked: > > >Anyone know when the doors open for this gig? The ad in timeout states 7pm. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 11 13:32:36 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:32:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: I'll defer to Doug P. who will almost certainly give us the full deal... but a few points for those not in the know... >All the pre-major label MM is quite good. >Their first s/t release is more garage/heavy psych. 6 smokin tracks. I think this was an LP release only, and that at least some of these tracks appeared on CD later (like Spine of God maybe), perhaps rerecorded? Not sure. Doug will tell us anyway. >My fav is this and Spine of God, a release that shows them starting to become >mainstream, but quite good. closer to the "stoner rock" thing. >TAB seams to be a big fav of HW fans, there's a super long track, that's >heavy and spacey... This one came out on CD a couple times I believe, and usually (I think) includes the two tracks from a 7" single (Murder b/w another song with a one-word title that I can't remember at the moment). And these are not credited on the CD booklet/insert, so there's confusion there, compounded by the fact that track two is both "25" and "Longhair" (that starts about 8 minutes in FWIR). So there's four tracks listed, five tracks indexed, but yet six tracks on the actual CD. Again, the title track "Tab" is over a half-hour long, so it's a full length release for sure. I think perhaps the most necessary MM thing is 'Viva Las Vegas'. Grakkl (FAA), who saw them just once when they opened for an absolutely miserable group called Korn. I didn't make it through ten minutes of them, and even though MM only played 45 minutes, I'm glad it wasn't the other way around! What Doug saw last week doesn't sound so bad now, remembering these butchers! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 11 13:05:07 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:05:07 EDT Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <200112111850.NAA14979@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:32, K Henderson wrote: > I think perhaps the most necessary MM thing is 'Viva Las Vegas'. I got this as a special 'limited tour edition' package, which included both Power Trip and Viva--all for under 10 bucks in a cutout bin! Needless to say, a major find. And, you are correct sir, Viva is kick- ass stuff... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 11 14:00:42 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:00:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: I said... >This one came out on CD a couple times I believe, and usually (I think) >includes the two tracks from a 7" single (Murder b/w another song with a >one-word title that I can't remember at the moment). "Tractor" I think. Faith No More came to me last night. (There's a sentence that you don't see every day.) That goes into the rap/metal discussion from yesterday. Grakkl (FAA) From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Dec 11 14:28:08 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:28:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ++STAR WARRIORS LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! Anyone who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs will be available for collection on the night. Have a great gig ! ++MESSAGE ENDS ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 11 14:36:11 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <200112111918.OAA24757@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Grakkl wrote: > Faith No More came to me last night. (There's a sentence that you don't see > every day.) That goes into the rap/metal discussion from yesterday. Now, I wouldn't quite put Faith No More in with the likes of Alien Ant Farm et al. They're too imaginative for that. (See "Angel Dust.") Yes, they do incorporate rap to some extent but I've never considered them to be a "rap metal" band. Brian obCD> Faith No More "Angel Dust" P.S. I'll eventually get to grading the space rock comps. you sent out. I promise! From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 11 14:57:00 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:57:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:32:36 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >I'll defer to Doug P. who will almost certainly give us the full deal... Here's the skinny on pre-'Spine of God' Monster Magnet (to the best of my knowledge) ... The band formed when Dave Wyndorf (ex-Shrapnel, the "combat metal" band that Bob was referring to) joined up with John McBain (lead guitar) and Tim Cronin (drums, vocals) of Dog of Mystery. The early MM stuff is super lo- fi, garagey, sludgey, blanga. Makes 'Spine of God' sound like 'Rumors' or something; avoid if you're a "fidelity freak". The first release was the "Lizard Johnny"/"Freak Shop U.S.A." 7" single on Circuit records. "Lizard Johnny" also appeared on their first demo tape (aka 'Fuck Life, I'm High On Drugs'), along with an early version of "TAB", a cover of "Brainstorm" and a couple unreleased songs ("Black Wawa", "Eight Ball"); I have a copy that the band sent me, after I wrote them asking about the Hawkwind cover. Reviews of this 7" uniformly said "Stooges-like". The next release was the "Murder"/"Tractor" 7", on Caroline's Primo Scree subsidiary. The Glitterhouse self-titled EP/mini-LP thing came out at around the same time, 5 tracks on 12", 6 tracks on CD. Included are remakes (completely different than the single/demo tape versions!) of "Lizard Johnny" & "Freak Shop USA", as well as early (again, completely different from the subsequent 'Spine of God' versions) renditions of "Snake Dance" and "Nod Scene". The other two tracks are the 7" (one track of which doesn't appear on the 12", but both are on the CD version). Their final pre-'Spine of God' release was the '25...TAB' CD on Glitterhouse, with an even longer version of the title track than on the first demo. Let me know if you need anymore info ... >I think perhaps the most necessary MM thing is 'Viva Las Vegas'. > >Grakkl (FAA), who saw them just once when they opened for an absolutely >miserable group called Korn. I didn't make it through ten minutes of them, >and even though MM only played 45 minutes, I'm glad it wasn't the other way >around! What Doug saw last week doesn't sound so bad now, remembering >these butchers! Yes, Korn are rap-metal as bad as anything I saw on friday. Faith No More are (were?) considerably better, but probably can be partially blamed for all those awful current bands ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 11 15:28:35 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:28:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: <3C16128D.18803.17D1460@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Ted Jackson wrote: => On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:32, K Henderson wrote: => => > I think perhaps the most necessary MM thing is 'Viva Las Vegas'. => => I got this as a special 'limited tour edition' package, which included => both Power Trip and Viva--all for under 10 bucks in a cutout bin! => Needless to say, a major find. And, you are correct sir, Viva is kick- => ass stuff... I saw this bundle in Best Buy one time, but passed on it because I already had _Powertrip_. Is _Viva.._ all live cuts? I saw Monster Magnet at a club in Roanoke, and they put on a great show. Now there's one band that'd put out a good live album/concert video, if only they would... Cheers, Paul. NP: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Dec 11 16:49:22 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:49:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112111928.OAA27313@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200112111928.OAA27313 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx writes >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >++STAR WARRIORS > >LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd >featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and >others (TBA)... That's really generous - but... >This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! Huh? not even to passport holders? Not even to those people from outside the UK who can't make it to that gig, but who came from overseas to follow them on as many dates of the current tour as they could? > Anyone >who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd >through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their >tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: >FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd >will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be >returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs >will be available for collection on the night. > >Have a great gig ! I've just ordered a ticket 'cos of this announcement, can't miss a one- off not available elsewhere CD of exclusive tracks by Brock, Blake et al. Unfortunately I won't be able to get to the gig, as from 9pm that night I'll be travelling back from Ireland. If I ask nicely, would they go onstage late? About 12 hours late? Or play loud enough to be heard on the Rosslare to Fishguard ferry? Thought not. Bugger. -- David Blair From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 16:50:44 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:50:44 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: I don't think that you could lump in Alien Ant Farm (AAF - another three letters) with all the rap/metal bands. Have you listened or looked any further than the obvious singles coz there's some fairly good stuff behind the first impression. This is somebody who thought that Faith No More were exellent with Chuck Mosely but went down the crappy commercial route once he went through the exit door. That cover of Easy is more degrading than anything that the new breed of rap/metal bands will ever be capable of. Anyway, my favourite band to come out of America in the last 15 years or so is Kings X and I only got into them coz a review of their first ever UK show made a very obscure comparison to Hawkwind which just about brings me back on topic before I go. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Halligan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One > Grakkl wrote: > > > Faith No More came to me last night. (There's a sentence that you don't see > > every day.) That goes into the rap/metal discussion from yesterday. > > Now, I wouldn't quite put Faith No More in with the likes of Alien Ant Farm > et al. They're too imaginative for that. (See "Angel Dust.") Yes, they do > incorporate rap to some extent but I've never considered them to be a "rap > metal" band. > > Brian > obCD> Faith No More "Angel Dust" > > P.S. I'll eventually get to grading the space rock comps. you sent out. I > promise! > From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Dec 11 17:01:14 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:01:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: There will soon be a few VERY special releases for passport holders. Hang on in there....... This offer is for only Xmas party attendees, as an Xmas bonus sorry. . . . Hope this clarifies Rx >>LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd >>featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and >>others (TBA)... > >That's really generous - but... > >>This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! > >Huh? not even to passport holders? Not even to those people from outside >the UK who can't make it to that gig, but who came from overseas to >follow them on as many dates of the current tour as they could? > >> Anyone >>who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd >>through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their >>tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: >>FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd >>will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be >>returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs >>will be available for collection on the night. >> >>Have a great gig ! > >I've just ordered a ticket 'cos of this announcement, can't miss a one- >off not available elsewhere CD of exclusive tracks by Brock, Blake et >al. Unfortunately I won't be able to get to the gig, as from 9pm that >night I'll be travelling back from Ireland. > >If I ask nicely, would they go onstage late? About 12 hours late? Or >play loud enough to be heard on the Rosslare to Fishguard ferry? > >Thought not. Bugger. >-- >David Blair From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Dec 11 17:07:56 2001 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:07:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Faith No More (was The Hard & The Heavy Volume One) In-Reply-To: <002c01c1828d$e53770e0$6f23fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: mark von bargen wrote: > Have you listened or looked any > further than the obvious singles coz there's some fairly good stuff behind > the first impression. Fair enough. I haven't heard the bulk of their stuff. > This is somebody who thought that Faith No More were exellent with Chuck > Mosely but went down the crappy commercial route once he went through the > exit door. "We care a lot about the Garbage Pail Kids, they never lie. We care a lot about Transformers, 'cause there's more than meets the eye!" What's more commercial than that? Seriously though, that's one of my favorite lines in any song. When I bought Introduce Yourself after Epic was big, the guy at the record store made sure to warn me that "It's not the same singer, you probably won't like him." ;-) > That cover of Easy is more degrading than anything that the new > breed of rap/metal bands will ever be capable of. I don't know. There have been plenty of covers of lame AM Radio/cheezy 80s tunes by "heavy" bands in the past few years that weren't as well-played or funny as the Faith No More version of Easy. Let's see Linkin Park do a version of a Lionel Ritchie tune that would make him proud. Heh. Brian From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 11 17:10:12 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:10:12 EST Subject: OFF: online cd shops Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/01 11:45:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > Hello! > > What good online cd shops do you know? > > Alisa > There's always Andy G. at CD Services (e-mail: andygee at pipex.com) As for the other online stores, CDNow (www.cdnow.com) &CD Universe (www.cduniverse.com) are pretty good, pricewise. Tower Records (www.towerreccords.com) is real cheap on some CDs, but many CDs I've looked for there (mostly Hawkwind stuff) were listed "Special Order." I've ordered a DVD but no CDs from Amazon (www.amazon.com), so I don't know what there CD prices are. The DVD wasn't overly expensive. Hope this helps Joe From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 11 17:10:49 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:10:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: >There will soon be a few VERY special releases for passport holders. >Hang on in there....... > >This offer is for only Xmas party attendees, as an Xmas bonus >sorry. . . . As Dave just suggested, my immediate thought was to order a ticket for myself with no intention of using it (seeing as I'm in Ohio still). But when I went to Voiceprint's site, I saw no way of ordering a ticket there and if I got one from Ticketmaster-UK, then I'd have to send the ticket back over to the UK to get the CD sent back across the Atlantic. Seemed a little silly. Anyway, I was then thinking about Jill's story about buying the very last ticket for the show up there in Scotland and thinking that perhaps this would be not such a good thing for me to do. And that led me to thinking that (esp. if this was a General Admission event) that I could buy the ticket as I intended, and then send it back to someone on the list that didn't have one already (or perhaps to someone who had a friend who might go if it were 'free'). If everyone who ordered one from afar (just to get the freebie) did this sort of thing, then you wouldn't have a "soldout event" with a puzzling lack of people there! So, please advise those of us silly enough to get a CD subversively this way. Surely, you realize many HW fans are rabid enough to do this, no matter where they live, don't you? :) I mean, really, saying it'll have tracks available nowhere else makes this immediately desirable. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Would a post-show tree be allowable to keep too many tickets from going to non-attenders? This would seem logistically easier than the 'ticket tree' I was suggesting above. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 11 17:21:37 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:21:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Quarkspace-Drop Message-ID: Hi Folks... Now that the CDRs I promised are now on their way to you all, I've put together a couple of image files for using as jewel boxes inserts. With my antiquated graphix techniques, I'm afraid they didn't come out as well as I would have liked (the colors never turn out the same in the .jpg as they appeared in Corel Draw) and so they're a rather ugly green color. Oh well, sue me. Your printer will probably interpret the color differently and so it will again be some other shade (mine came out striped!). (In any case, still ugly, certainly.) I'm sure many of you can change the background to something you prefer. I don't know how other folx do it, but I print these things by importing into Powerpoint and then resizing the image to 9.5" (lengthwise) for the booklet, and 6" (lengthwise) for the tray card, to print. Then cut and fold where necessary. They're at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/igrastaklenihperli/files which anyone can access without signing up/signing in or anything. qdrop.jpg and qdrop3.jpg are the file names. Grakkl (FAA) From coral at APORT.RU Tue Dec 11 17:59:09 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:59:09 +0300 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: > >LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd > >featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and > >others (TBA)... And what should I do? First, I can't go there at the end of December, a lot of things to do. Second, it's rather expensive to travel there, etc. from here, Russia. Third, living in Russia it's not available for me to get even HW passport cd offers because it's very expensive to send money from here any other way than credit card. So... dear HW crew, your suggestions? regards, Alisa From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 11 18:07:41 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:07:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:50:44 -0000, mark von bargen wrote: >I don't think that you could lump in Alien Ant Farm (AAF - another three >letters) with all the rap/metal bands. Have you listened or looked any >further than the obvious singles coz there's some fairly good stuff behind >the first impression. Nah, like I said, I saw Alien Ant Farm on friday, and I would *definitely* lump them in with the rest of the rap/metal stuff. Not that I'm an expert at the stuff. And it WAS a relatively short set (barely over 30min, since there were 7 bands on the bill, so they probably only played the obvious singles - not that I'd know), and it WAS my first impression, and I found the singer's stage demeanor really annoying, which certainly colored my impression, so you can definitely take my opinion with a healthy dose of skepticism ... (But I did like the original version of "We Care A Lot", back in nineteen- eighty-whatever-year-it-came-out.) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Dec 11 18:07:06 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:07:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: <001301c18297$71e09220$7747efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Hahaha ! This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a sold out but empty hall...btw, any chance of Swedish gigs ? Kenneth ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Tue Dec 11 18:17:46 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:17:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: Hi Does anyone have any information about the guitar equipment that Dave Brock uses now or has used in the past in Hawkwind? I would be interested to know what guitars, amps, and effects he has used in any given year or period. And the URL to any photos of the equipment in question would be an added bonus... Any new info that comes to light will go onto my page about this stuff on Starfarer's Hawkwind Page (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules) Thanks Steve From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 11 18:17:07 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:17:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: online cd shops Message-ID: i've used djangos.com,carries new and used and will notify you if something comes in; also secondspin.com for strictly used,get some interesting stuff sometimes. also metromusic.com carries a lot of hard to find stuff,(found 2 porcupine tree cds there-$8 each),has good sales;and midnight records.com,good selection of imports,a bit pricey,but lots of stuff. hope this helps tim Alice wrote: > > Hello! > > What good online cd shops do you know? > > Alisa From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Tue Dec 11 18:27:36 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:27:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Where is everyone? Message-ID: WOW,sent 8/11,you must have the slowest e-mail in the world,ha-ha tim Rich Warren wrote: > > Is it just me or is this the slowest boc-l has ever been? Is it tour > exhaustion? Is everyone having a major lurking session? > > Heh...I'm stuck in bed with the flu, humour me, lets have some messages > other than virus discussion. > > Rich W From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 11 18:32:58 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:32:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: online cd shops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Alice wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > What good online cd shops do you know? Some of the smaller ones that I have found good for hard-to-find stuff: www.freakemporium.com www.glitterhouse.de www.othermusic.com www.bentcrayon.com (discovered today) www.clamazon.com www.forcedexposure.com (tend to be expensive though) That's for starters, if I remember any more I'll post them here. Mind you, I can't claim to know how good any of the above are if you happen to be in Russia... -- Nick Medford From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Dec 11 18:49:07 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:49:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:17:46 -0500, Moonglum . wrote: >Does anyone have any information about the guitar equipment that Dave Brock >uses now or has used in the past in Hawkwind? > >I would be interested to know what guitars, amps, and effects he has used >in any given year or period. And the URL to any photos of the equipment in >question would be an added bonus... The 'Welcome to the Future' site had a scanned article from '72 or '73 that listed the entire band's equipment list for the Space Ritual era. I don't have the article, but I know that Coloursound, WEM and Marshall were three of the manufacturers whose equipment would have been in Dave's rig at the time ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Dec 11 19:24:18 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:24:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: online cd shops Message-ID: >>Alice wrote: >> > >> > Hello! >> > >> > What good online cd shops do you know? > >Some of the smaller ones that I have found good for hard-to-find stuff: > >www.freakemporium.com >www.glitterhouse.de >www.othermusic.com >www.bentcrayon.com (discovered today) >www.clamazon.com >www.forcedexposure.com (tend to be expensive though) Um, while it lasts.... www.cranium.co.nz (New Zealand) Let's see....these will all be in the States/Canada of course... www.rpmrecords.com (in Dallas, TX I think, it's been awhile since I've ordered from there...their prices are 'fair' but not the lowest) www.subterranean.org (good for the new dbl Nik, and I imagine possibily the new Farflung and Farflung/Damo CDs?) (Bay Area) www.artist-shop.com (good US source of all Voiceprint things, apart from the 3-for-25UKP - possibly free shipping!? still waiting to find out - and a lot of other interesting progressive stuff, like Gong & Nektar/Roye Albrighton) (Ohio) www.ab-cd.com (a place I've ordered from in the distant past) (NYC) www.lasercd.com (Ken Golden, NJ?) (great prices, lots of prog/progmetal/kraut) synphonic.8m.com (Greg Walker, CA) (decent prices, excellent selection of anything prog-related, incl. kraut) www.sonarc.net (I think NSA is either out of business or soon to go out of business....another sad loss) (Long Island) Doug Larson Imports (NJ?) don't have his URL memorized, try a search on that name ('douglars' might be a better search, as I think that's probably part of the address) www.wildplaces.com (if that's Michael Piper's URL, I think it is. Maybe with a hyphen? Or perhaps with a 'the' beforehand?) He has the Gates of Dawn LP label - home of the IEM LPs that are not-so-exclusive after all, and also a CD label that released the Holy River Family Band 2CD thing, but he also does regular mail order of CDs and LPs) (somewhere on the east coast I think) www.aether-or.com (esp. for psych and space, rare LPs and CDs as well. Not the most reliable folx, but their heart is in the right place. Their Aether and GaAs labels have released some nice things, like Tombstone Valentine, Many Bright Things, Mushroom, and old SunDial.) www.aural-innovations.com (I almost forgot) :) (down the street a mile) www.com4.com (someone just mentioned them...funny thing, that they're run by Albert Garzon, the original producer of 10,000 Maniacs when Natalie was in 10th grade....he and the band no longer get along (understatement) and it's still an issue of contention whether his releases of their early material after they became famous were legal (his story that for some reason he seemed it necessary to actually phone me up late at night and tell me after I posted something about it somewhere) or not (the band's story)) Oh, yeah, the guy in Austin who runs Lone Starfighter...um, Pat Reilley. Just looked up the URL... http://www.vepo-music.com/g-recs/pat-1.html Jim Collins, Crete IL - not sure if Jim's on the web. I think he's here on boc-l as a semi-lurker in any case. Of course, Jim Lascko has some various HW things, but mainly www.strange-trips.com is the place to get the three exclusive live CDRs from various Strange Daze's (Harvey, Nik, Farflung) and also the 2CD 1997 SD compilation. (Andy Gee has these in the UK, at least he did at one point.) And of course, routine searches through big engines like www.gemm.com www.ebay.com www.half.com are always useful for finding obscure things at random intervals. I've ordered from one of these two (perhaps both?)... www.cdcellar.com and www.cdquest.com and I can never remember which is which. For indie/postrock/shoegazer stuff, places like... www.darla.com (Bay Area) www.parasol.com (Illinois) www.sonicunyon.com (Ontario) www.clairecords.com (was Florida, now Sacramento?) www.duffelbag.com (not sure) work nicely. Grakkl (FAA) From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Wed Dec 12 04:02:50 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:02:50 -0500 Subject: Mr Quimby's Beard to play Hawkwind XMAS Party Message-ID: Word just came in that Mr Quimby's Beard is scheduled to take the stage at 7:30pm at the Hawkwind XMAS Part show on December 20th. They should be playing until 8:15. The band is traveling a good ways and at some expense to perform so PLEASE make it out early enough to catch them. You will be rewarded by a killer performance. Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations Space Rock E-Zine & Radio http://Aural-Innovations.com From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Wed Dec 12 05:34:30 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:34:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: Now I'm not one to complain but.... This is symptomatic of why my passion for HW is waning ever faster. Those of who us who took unpaid time off to follow the buggers round the country and are having to work over the holidays to compensate miss out. People who travelled hundreds and thousands of miles last month miss out. Wasn't this the point of that whole blasted Passport thing. Gits and double gits. Leaving the Yahoo group today, probably leaving this list tomorrow. >> ++STAR WARRIORS LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! Anyone who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs will be available for collection on the night. Have a great gig ! ++MESSAGE ENDS From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 12 06:14:23 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:14:23 -0600 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: I think those people with at least 5 ticket stubs from the last tour deserve it :-) Hey Stuart did you make it to Brighton? Rich W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Z E Itgeist" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:34 AM Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement > Now I'm not one to complain but.... > > This is symptomatic of why my passion for HW is waning ever faster. > > Those of who us who took unpaid time off to follow the buggers round the > country and are having to work over the holidays to compensate miss out. > > People who travelled hundreds and thousands of miles last month miss out. > > Wasn't this the point of that whole blasted Passport thing. > > Gits and double gits. > > Leaving the Yahoo group today, probably leaving this list tomorrow. > > > > >> > ++STAR WARRIORS > > LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd > featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and > others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! Anyone > who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd > through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their > tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: > FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd > will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be > returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs > will be available for collection on the night. > > Have a great gig ! > > ++MESSAGE ENDS From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 12 06:12:26 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:12:26 -0600 Subject: HW: Where is everyone? Message-ID: Heh. Yes sorry I was checking exactly how many holidays I had used up, and looking at my PC calendar, and forgot to change the time back :-) Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: HW: Where is everyone? > WOW,sent 8/11,you must have the slowest e-mail in the world,ha-ha > tim > Rich Warren wrote: > > > > Is it just me or is this the slowest boc-l has ever been? Is it tour > > exhaustion? Is everyone having a major lurking session? > > > > Heh...I'm stuck in bed with the flu, humour me, lets have some messages > > other than virus discussion. > > > > Rich W From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 12 06:33:52 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:33:52 +0800 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: Oh come now! It's a Christmas show. The boys are offering a gift to those that attend that particular function. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement > I think those people with at least 5 ticket stubs from the last tour deserve > it :-) Hey Stuart did you make it to Brighton? > > Rich W > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Z E Itgeist" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:34 AM > Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement > > > > Now I'm not one to complain but.... > > > > This is symptomatic of why my passion for HW is waning ever faster. > > > > Those of who us who took unpaid time off to follow the buggers round the > > country and are having to work over the holidays to compensate miss out. > > > > People who travelled hundreds and thousands of miles last month miss out. > > > > Wasn't this the point of that whole blasted Passport thing. > > > > Gits and double gits. > > > > Leaving the Yahoo group today, probably leaving this list tomorrow. > > > > > > > > >> > > ++STAR WARRIORS > > > > LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd > > featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and > > others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! > Anyone > > who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd > > through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained > their > > tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: > > FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd > > will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be > > returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs > > will be available for collection on the night. > > > > Have a great gig ! > > > > ++MESSAGE ENDS > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 07:39:42 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:39:42 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a FREE Cd > featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd Langton and > others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available elsewhere ! Anyone > who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint will receive their Cd > through the post in the new year. Those attending the gig who obtained their > tickets elsewhere can get their free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: > FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd > will be allocated per ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be > returned. ONLY submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs > will be available for collection on the night. Don't you think this is a little unfair to the diehard collectors who can't make the xmas gig for whatever reason. I could of course buy a ticket and not turn up at the gig but a more sane policy would be to make the discs available to passport holders too. Please pass on this comment to those responsible for policy on this. Thanks Mike Holmes (FoFP) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 07:41:32 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:41:32 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a > FREE Cd featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd > Langton and others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available > elsewhere ! Anyone who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint > will receive their Cd through the post in the new year. Those > attending the gig who obtained their tickets elsewhere can get their > free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, > Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd will be allocated per > ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be returned. ONLY > submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs will be > available for collection on the night. So, in line with defeating this stupidity. Does anyone want to buy a ticket from me which won't include the right to the CD? Offers asap (I'm off skiing on Friday) to me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 07:42:58 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:42:58 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: Rik Rx's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: Rik Rx writes: > There will soon be a few VERY special releases for passport holders. > Hang on in there....... Like this is going to be compensation for collectors. > This offer is for only Xmas party attendees, as an Xmas bonus > sorry. . . . You know, I thought Hawkwind would have to think of something pretty good to annoy me, but they've succeeded. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 07:47:23 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:47:23 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: Kenneth Magnusson's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:07:06 +0100 Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson writes: > Hahaha ! > > This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get > tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a > sold out but empty hall It's headed that way. Could someone please tell the band that Voiceprint are pissing off the folks who pay their wages? If there was any way to get worse publicity than Nik managed with that dumb CD release, then this has gotta be it. Congratulations folks. This is stupidity way above and beyond the call of duty. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 07:49:39 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:49:39 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: Z E Itgeist's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: Z E Itgeist writes: > Now I'm not one to complain but.... > > This is symptomatic of why my passion for HW is waning ever faster. > > Those of who us who took unpaid time off to follow the buggers round the > country and are having to work over the holidays to compensate miss out. > > People who travelled hundreds and thousands of miles last month miss out. > > Wasn't this the point of that whole blasted Passport thing. My feelings exactly. If I wasn't going away imminently I'd organise a petition to the band here. If anyone else does it then they can absolutely add my name. Who needs Nik to sabotage Hawkwind? Subversion from within is doing a stellar job. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 12 07:12:51 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:12:51 EDT Subject: OFF: The Hard & The Heavy Volume One In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Dec 2001, at 15:28, Paul Mather wrote: > I saw this bundle in Best Buy one time, but passed on it because I > already had _Powertrip_. Is _Viva.._ all live cuts? > You bet. Hot stuff indeed... > I saw Monster Magnet at a club in Roanoke, and they put on a great > show. Now there's one band that'd put out a good live album/concert > video, if only they would... > Yep, I'd get that one for sure. They haven't played anywhere near here lately, so I've never seen them. Can't wait for the proposed B?C DVD that's supposedly coming out this year, either... theo From Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Wed Dec 12 08:38:47 2001 From: Andy.Ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:38:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112121249.MAA28809@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Geez people, get a grip! The band try to give the peeps going to the Xmas gig a surprise pressie, and then lots of people throw their rattle out of the pram, screaming that whaa.. it's not fair because I can't go.... Geez, if it really means that much to you, then you can have mine as I am going to the gig, and had tickets weeks ago. I'm sure that they also wouldn't mind too much if people circulated it too. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if they now said sod it and canceled the whole idea. Maybe that would make some of you feel better then..... Cheers, Andy From drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Dec 12 08:59:49 2001 From: drb.serendipity at NTLWORLD.COM (David Blair) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:59:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112121241.MAA26010@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <200112121241.MAA26010 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Rik Rx writes: > >> LATEST NEWS !!: EVERYONE who attends the Xmas Party will receive a >> FREE Cd featuring EXCLUSIVE tracks by Dave Brock, Tim Blake, Huw Lloyd >> Langton and others (TBA)... This unique disc will *not* be available >> elsewhere ! Anyone who bought their tickets to the gig via Voiceprint >> will receive their Cd through the post in the new year. Those >> attending the gig who obtained their tickets elsewhere can get their >> free Cd by posting their ticket stub to: FREEPOST EU409, PO BOX 50, >> Houghton-le-Spring, DH5 5YP England Only one Cd will be allocated per >> ticket purchased. Your ticket stubs *will* be returned. ONLY >> submissions with ORIGINAL stubs can be processed. No discs will be >> available for collection on the night. > >So, in line with defeating this stupidity. Does anyone want to buy a >ticket from me which won't include the right to the CD? Offers asap (I'm >off skiing on Friday) to me. > >FoFP Same here (Except I'm off to Ireland on Saturday for some not-skiing). -- David Blair From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Dec 12 09:26:24 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:24 -0700 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: <200112121242.MAA26490@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: You're right, Mike. Obviously time which should have been spent in rehearsals and other show preparations were instead used to scheme up something to annoy you....I bet right now Dave is stroking his mustache and chucking "Mwooh ha ha ah a ahhah a ha haha ah ah a ahha ah ahah!!!" KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:43 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement > > > Rik Rx writes: > > > There will soon be a few VERY special releases for passport holders. > > Hang on in there....... > > Like this is going to be compensation for collectors. > > > This offer is for only Xmas party attendees, as an Xmas bonus > > sorry. . . . > > You know, I thought Hawkwind would have to think of something pretty > good to annoy me, but they've succeeded. > > FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 12 10:19:48 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:19:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: <200112121247.MAA27918@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, M Holmes wrote: => Kenneth Magnusson writes: => => > Hahaha ! => > => > This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get => > tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a => > sold out but empty hall => => It's headed that way. Could someone please tell the band that Voiceprint => are pissing off the folks who pay their wages? => => If there was any way to get worse publicity than Nik managed with that => dumb CD release, then this has gotta be it. Congratulations folks. This => is stupidity way above and beyond the call of duty. This whole affair reminds me why I'm glad I'm no longer a kollector. (I came to the shock realisation long ago that my life could still be complete without owning, or even having heard, every official Hawkwind release.:) But this latest band offer must be hell on kollectors who, for a variety of reasons (money, prior obligations, health problems, etc.) can't be at the gig. I feel bad for them, especially kollectors outside the UK! I know the Xmas party gig is a special event, and the charitable in me thinks this offer is actually a very nice gesture to those that attend, to make it even more "extra special"---kind of like a Xmas present from the band for attending. But, a small cynical voice also notes there was no stipulation about the ticket stub being a used ticket stub, making me wonder if the vested interest is in ensuring ticket sales rather than rewarding gig attendance. (I know, terribly cynical...) Like I said, this is hell on the diehard kollectors. But, before they give up all hope, they should consider the following: 1) The probability of any given Hawkwind track not ending up on multiple subsequent scattered releases is vanishingly small. (See Codex for details.:) It's likely that although *perhaps* this CD won't see subsequent wider release, that its content won't crop up as filler here and there somewhere down the line. 2) Hawkwind have just created an instant bootleg. Look for another _Masters of the Universe_ (Xmas 2001) to crop up from a bootlegger with an eye for a hungry kollector market. 3) Expect this disc to appear on eBay post haste for kollectors who want an original copy. Non-kollectors just wanting the music will no doubt simply blag theirs onto CD-R and sell the original. Given the sometimes high prices that out of print Hawkwind CDs often command, who knows, maybe this could be one way of financing a ticket to the Xmas gig (recoup your ticket price by selling the CD to American kollectors who can't go)?... Like I said, I'm glad I'm no longer a kollector. I hope this release is not the start of a trend... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From john.cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 10:23:20 2001 From: john.cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:23:20 +0000 Subject: BOC: Possible Uk Dates? Message-ID: Hi, Just got a flyer through the post from Newcastle Opera House, detailing future shows. At the bottom, and much to my suprise/delight was the coda: Blue Oyster Cult, Al Stewart, Barclay James Harvest in the pipeline. So, looks like the BOC boys may be coming over to the UK at some point next year then. Anyone know anything for definite? Cheers John Cartledge From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 11:50:48 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:50:48 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement In-Reply-To: KevinSommers's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:24 -0700 Message-ID: KevinSommers writes: > You're right, Mike. Obviously time which should have been spent in > rehearsals and other show preparations were instead used to scheme up > something to annoy you....I bet right now Dave is stroking his mustache and > chucking "Mwooh ha ha ah a ahhah a ha haha ah ah a ahha ah ahah!!!" The history of how this came about is irrelevant in the large. Annoying the fans who generate a guaranteed income stream is a mistake however you analyse it. FoFP From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Dec 12 12:02:45 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:02:45 -0600 Subject: Monster Magnet reviews in A-I Message-ID: Wow. Never thought my "The Hard & The Heavy" post would generate so much discussion! The responses have been really informative. There are lots of good Monster Magnet reviews posted on the Aural Innovations site: http://aural-innovations.com/issues/artists.html My vote is thumbs up for "Viva Las Vegas" too. from the review: "Dave gives a monologue about the CD being recorded in Las Vegas and that they have been playing the same numbers for the last 6 months and how would the audience like to hear some "Space Rock"! Now the CD really gets going... you can hear the Hawkwind era 1972 space sounds in the background and the band blast into Dinosaur Vacuum." Highly recommended. Karen From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 12 14:29:08 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:29:08 GMT Subject: Free ticket to Hawkwind Xmas Party offered Message-ID: OK, since I'll be offline before anything sensible is done about this and since I'd rather pay for a fellow fan to go to the gig than just have a ticket delivered to me and not used, if anyone wants to sign up for this then I'll pay for your ticket to the xmas party if you send me the disc afterwards. First email acceptance of the offer has it, so long as it gets to me by the 13th. Order your ticket and send me your address and I'll send you a cheque next week. FoFP From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Wed Dec 12 14:38:58 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:38:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: Possible Uk Dates? In-Reply-To: <3C177668.1090203@sunderland.ac.uk> Message-ID: The flyer from The Stables at Wavendon is saying "Blue Oyster Cult (tbc) Feb 16th (I think?) And there is a hole in the touring schedule on the band's website in that period..... Cheers ChrisW At 15:23 12/12/01, you wrote: >Hi, > >Just got a flyer through the post from Newcastle Opera House, detailing >future shows. At the bottom, and much to my suprise/delight was the coda: > >Blue Oyster Cult, Al Stewart, Barclay James Harvest in the pipeline. > >So, looks like the BOC boys may be coming over to the UK at some point >next year then. > >Anyone know anything for definite? > >Cheers > >John Cartledge From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 12 14:46:49 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:46:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: Steve, I posted regarding this photo a few months ago, but if you missed it check out this pic of Dave and guitar. It's in BW but I reckon its cool. http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html Mick > Hi > >Does anyone have any information about the guitar equipment that Dave Brock >uses now or has used in the past in Hawkwind? > >I would be interested to know what guitars, amps, and effects he has used >in any given year or period. And the URL to any photos of the equipment in >question would be an added bonus... > >Any new info that comes to light will go onto my page about this stuff on >Starfarer's Hawkwind Page (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules) > >Thanks > >Steve -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 12 15:11:37 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Magnusson > Hahaha ! > > This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get > tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a > sold out but empty hall...btw, any chance of Swedish gigs ? This may not be entirely humorous. I don't know how big the Forum is or how many people genuinely want to have a brand-new-live-unheard-before Hawkwind track (and there may be quite a few) but it occurred to me that it would be a real shame if the venue sold out and there were no tickets left for folk who turned up on the night hoping to get a ticket at the door. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Dec 12 15:31:45 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:31:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Dr. Megavolt and His Amazing Tesla Coil Message-ID: Cool! http://www.drmegavolt.com/underpages/index_gallery.asp From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Dec 12 15:33:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:33:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Onion keeps me sane... Message-ID: Hey Folks... It's Wednesday, and a new edition of the Onion (www.theonion.com) appears - always a glorious time! And they never disappoint. A sample of today's tasty articles...some days I think maybe I should apply for a job there. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. OK experts, what's the Hawkwind connection here? (Hint: nothing krautrock-related!) P.P.S. What's weird is that I made a compilation CD for myself Monday night - with 22 tracks! (Obviously, it wasn't space/prog related. Title: All-ternative Rock, including Husker Du - Makes No Sense At All, PiL - Public Image, Gang of Four - Natural's Not In It (the song that was just? remade by that band I was talking about a few days ago), a bunch of Seattle stuff and other flotsam and jetsam. And knowing that 22 tracks in 80 minutes comes out about 3:45 each, hard to see how this guy could have put too much Neu! & Can-type stuff on there.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Area Man Proud of Liner Notes to Self-Burned Compilation CD CHICAGO?Josh McCue, 26, expressed deep pride Monday in the liner notes he penned for his latest self-burned compilation CD. "I really wanted the liner notes to capture something about the songs and help put them in their proper context," said McCue, a clerk at Lincoln Park Liquor. "I think I've accomplished that." The 22-track CD, titled Opium Of The Masses, features an eclectic mix of music that McCue dryly describes as "your typical elitist hipster fare." The liner notes offer a wealth of information on the bands, which range from The Soledad Brothers to Six Finger Satellite, as well as McCue's own "personal history" with the music. Using the graphic-design programs Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator, McCue painstakingly spent 15 hours laying out what eventually became an eight-page CD booklet. "At first, it was only going to be four pages including the cover, but doing that small a booklet would've meant giving some of the artists the short shrift informationally," McCue said. "I mean, everyone knows the basics about [the bands] Can and The White Stripes, but people may not be as familiar with the histories and personnel of such lesser-known groups as Tuxedomoon and JJ72." He then opened the CD booklet and began reading aloud. "'My Dad Is Dead is a versatile group (actually one guy, Mark Edwards) from Ohio,'" McCue said. "'From the swooping highs of my best days to the crushing lows of my worst, I've always been able to relate to MDID. This song, 'Where's Our Reason,' from the Shine(r) CD, was actually released in 1993 as part of the limited-edition Working Holiday series of 7-inch singles.'" Though the liner notes are rich with details about the most of the songs, they are occasionally brief and to the point. For instance, McCue describes Killdozer's cover of EMF's "Unbelievable" with just two words: "Fuck, yeah!" McCue went on to explain his choice of images for the CD's cover art, saying, "It's a picture of a crashing speedboat I got off the Internet. Very chaotic and random, much like the music itself." McCue said he plays the CD at work several times a day, propping the jewel case against an eye-level row of DeKuyper Schnapps bottles to maximize its visibility. Thus far, no customers have asked about it. "I took a few chances on this mix," said McCue, attempting to explain the lack of interest. "For example, I kicked it off with Martin Denny's 'Quiet Village,' an unorthodox first song if there ever was one. Why did I do so? Because it's an ideal musical metaphor for my life, seemingly uneventful but filled with wonder and strangeness. And while it's the only exotica on the CD, it perfectly sets the stage for an eclectic voyage through my life, starting with the 'Quiet Village' of my birth." McCue burned the CD for his own personal enjoyment, but said he would be willing to lend it to friends. Should a loan occur, the liner notes are a vital means of ensuring that every track is given the due it deserves. "I wanted to make sure no one skipped a track," McCue said. "For example, most people would think a transition from Neu! to Afrika Bambaataa to Aphex Twin would be a little jarring or awkward, but it actually flows quite nicely thanks to the unity of influences. I make sure to point that out in my liner notes, discussing the heavy debt that both ambient and hip-hop owe to Krautrock." As of press time, McCue is working on the liner notes to the as-yet-unburned Opium Of The Masses Vol. 2, which he promises will clear up any lingering confusion from the first CD, as well as explain his longtime fascination with both Ray Conniff and Julian Cope. From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 12 16:14:13 2001 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:14:13 -0000 Subject: Silver Machine Live In-Reply-To: <001a01c12264$553b2ce0$388179d5@b> Message-ID: Hello Everybody I just got a CD this weekend called Silver Machine Live for a whole ?2.99 from HMV. It is the Bring me the head of Yuri Gagarin set again. This must be the most released Cd ever Thanks Brian From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Wed Dec 12 16:35:04 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:04 EST Subject: HW: The pod now docking at pylon 3.... Message-ID: Hi folks Im back Been offline for a while (again) Hardware probs (again) !! But, now all systems are up again and the motors are running. So Big Hi to frendz N' aquaintances out there !! Firstly, got a few Questions....How do you order Xmas tickets? I cant get through to the forum on the number quoted...And I've also seen no info on Vooiceprints site ( maybe I missed something. I'm desperate for a ticket ( couldnt make any gigs since Croydon this year so far..work N other things..)..so any help will be apreciated mucho!! Any pointers as to where the Forum is and how to get there also..Should I be lucky nuff to get tickets ?? OK next belated message...Apology to various people that I was in the process of ordering CDS from....Lost all my addresses when my Hard drive crashed earlier in the year....Just picking up pieces now !! I'll be in touch soon ! ( Lesson #1 : dont rely too heavilly on Technology !!) Question 2....Can someone E Mail me a current Codex copy ?? I lost mine when the All Out Electro tech assault on my system alluded to above occurred ! Question 3...anyone point me in the direction of a copy of CDR or similar of the complete Hawkestra recording ? I missed my opportunity to be part of the tree when (See above Etc, etc.....Yeh i know its getting boring) Thata it for now , hope someone can help.....All the Best, hopefully See y'All at the forum Lots of love N all the best Alistair From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Dec 12 17:33:52 2001 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:33:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: <004901c18349$34a58ac0$75a2193e@jds> Message-ID: Ah, not entirely humorous, but on the other hand not entirely humorless, maybe they could play a bigger place where the people who wants and can see the show would fill half of the hall and the collectors from the rest of the world would buy the tickets for the other half... This seems to be a storm in a water glass, everyone who wants to hear the songs will be able too, I guess the bootlegers will be happy though... >This may not be entirely humorous. I don't know how big the Forum is >or how many people genuinely want to have a >brand-new-live-unheard-before Hawkwind track (and there may be quite a >few) but it occurred to me that it would be a real shame if the venue >sold out and there were no tickets left for folk who turned up on the >night hoping to get a ticket at the door. >jill >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Jill Strobridge >----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Moorbase Alpha - http://www.moll.pp.se/moor/ The Moor at mp3.com - http://www.mp3.com/TheMoor From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 12 17:45:41 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:45:41 -0000 Subject: HW: The pod now docking at pylon 3.... Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Ogilvy > Firstly, got a few Questions....How do you order Xmas tickets? I cant get > through to the forum on the number quoted...And I've also seen no info on > Vooiceprints site ( maybe I missed something. Hawkwind's web page gives the address for Ticketmaster (see below) but I found the Ticketmaster site incredibly slow. You only get 5 mins to complete your transaction and the relevant pages took 5 mins to load! Maybe I've just got an outdated machine and/or software or whatever. However I usually order through TicketWeb UK (also see below) who have a much faster site. Both sites still have tickets available. http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/ http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/ You've probably got an offer of dozens of Codexes by now but let me know if you still need one and I'll email you a copy of mine. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 12 17:58:25 2001 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:58:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Ghosts in the Silver Machine Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Magnusson > Ah, not entirely humorous, but on the other hand not entirely > humorless, maybe they could play a bigger place where the people who > wants and can see the show would fill half of the hall and the > collectors from the rest of the world would buy the tickets for the > other half... Surreal. I love it. Half a hall filled with ethernet ghosts. Separated from the real life audience and trapped in a world of there but not-there. Imagine the energy surges! WE are looking in on you now! jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Dec 12 19:08:01 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:08:01 -0000 Subject: OFF: online cd shops Message-ID: thank you!- kind words are always appreciated. Andy G (CD Services) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: OFF: online cd shops > In a message dated 12/11/01 11:45:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > coral at APORT.RU writes: > > > > Hello! > > > > What good online cd shops do you know? > > > > Alisa > > > > There's always Andy G. at CD Services (e-mail: andygee at pipex.com) > > As for the other online stores, CDNow (www.cdnow.com) &CD Universe > (www.cduniverse.com) are pretty good, pricewise. Tower Records > (www.towerreccords.com) is real cheap on some CDs, but many CDs I've looked > for there (mostly Hawkwind stuff) were listed "Special Order." > > I've ordered a DVD but no CDs from Amazon (www.amazon.com), so I don't know > what there CD prices are. The DVD wasn't overly expensive. > > Hope this helps > > Joe From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Wed Dec 12 19:36:23 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:36:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: Hi Mick I *did* miss that pic first time around, thanks for pointing it out. It's an excellent pic and first time I've got a good clear view of the Captain's Les Paul Custom. I guess this is the guitar he sold to a fan in San Francisco in 1978... Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:46:49 -0500, Mick Crook wrote: >Steve, >I posted regarding this photo a few months ago, but if you missed it check out this pic of Dave and guitar. It's in BW but I reckon its cool. > >http://www.communique.clara.net/press/brockx.html > >Mick > From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Dec 12 19:50:42 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:50:42 -0700 Subject: Free ticket to Hawkwind Xmas Party offered In-Reply-To: <200112121929.TAA09328@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'm assuming that this offer doesn't cover air fare as well? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:29 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Free ticket to Hawkwind Xmas Party offered > > > OK, since I'll be offline before anything sensible is done about this and > since I'd rather pay for a fellow fan to go to the gig than just have a > ticket delivered to me and not used, if anyone wants to sign up for this > then I'll pay for your ticket to the xmas party if you send me the disc > afterwards. First email acceptance of the offer has it, so long as it > gets to me by the 13th. Order your ticket and send me your address and > I'll send you a cheque next week. > > FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 12 19:50:53 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:50:53 EST Subject: OFF: CD-R media: testing for quality - Hardware Reviews - CNET.com Message-ID: ....have just recently ordered/received a 'Yamaha Speed 16-10-40 cd-r/rw' drive for my machine, and a "toast 5 platinum", and 640mb of ram! Time to burn some stuff! "<>" b2b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 12 19:56:37 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:56:37 EST Subject: OFF: CD-R media: testing for quality - Hardware Reviews - CNET.com Message-ID: Howdy, but this was not intended for BOC-L. Gomen. "<>" From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Dec 12 19:57:04 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:57:04 -0700 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: <004901c18349$34a58ac0$75a2193e@jds> Message-ID: Not that it matters that much, but the impression I got was that it won't be a Hawkwind track, but solo things by the named individuals. ??? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:12 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kenneth Magnusson > > > Hahaha ! > > > > This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get > > tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a > > sold out but empty hall...btw, any chance of Swedish gigs ? > > This may not be entirely humorous. I don't know how big the Forum is > or how many people genuinely want to have a > brand-new-live-unheard-before Hawkwind track (and there may be quite a > few) but it occurred to me that it would be a real shame if the venue > sold out and there were no tickets left for folk who turned up on the > night hoping to get a ticket at the door. > jill > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 12 20:47:36 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:47:36 GMT Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: Steve Wrote: >I *did* miss that pic first time around, thanks for pointing it out. It's >an excellent pic and first time I've got a good clear view of the Captain's >Les Paul Custom. I guess this is the guitar he sold to a fan in San >Francisco in 1978... > I really don't know much about guitars - I remember in the novel 'Time of the Hawklords' Dave's guitar is called -'Godblaster'. I refer you to the archives and Captain Black's comments on the photo at the time of the original thread - http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0101b&L=boc-l&F=&S=&P=2575 Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 12 20:59:27 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:59:27 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Greasy Truckers Party 2001 In-Reply-To: <20011022150443.B732@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Eric Siegerman wrote: > A lot of shit artists have done, like, one good song apiece. > Material Girl was a perfect 3-minute summation of the entire > decade. Billie Jean. Seems to me there was a Cure song I liked, > but I've managed to avoid even thinking of them for long enough > now that it's lost, hopefully forever. My brother would have > Suspicious Minds and Born to Run on his list, but I'm not *quite* > so down on those guys... > > I bet a lot of people for whom Depeche Mode are gods would say: > Spirit of the Age. > > > (or at least convince me that they > > were better than Duran Duran?) > > If DD had even one good song, I don't know it. Q.E.D. > > The only cool thing DD had going for them was their name. Ditto > Heaven 17 (obscure movie references both). I actually rather like Duran Duran. Which probably ruins me as a critic forever but I tink they had more than a few good songs if you could manage to stomach any 80s pop at all. And they were always unfashionable even at the height of their popularity, a paradox I can't explain. Furthermore, their `Planet Earth' is space-rock by any reasonable definition :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Porcupine Tree - _Recordings_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 12 21:47:24 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:47:24 +0000 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: <200110221926.PAA17813@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:15:29 -0400, Nick Medford > wrote: > >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400, Jobson, Eddie > >wrote: > > > >>The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? > > > >Don't know the answer to this one > > It sounds to me like the backing track from the released version. My guess > would be that it's a rough mix made after the instrumental tracking > sessions were finished, given to the singer (Brock) to practice vocals with > before recording them in the studio ... certainly a common recording > practice. It's certainly not live live as there are two guitar tracks. Wondered about this myself. Single overdubs from the same time as `Motorhead'? Yours, Jon ObCD: I. E. M. - _I. E. M._ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 13 00:29:39 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:29:39 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/8/01 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck 12/8/01 (6-8pm PST; Mellow Theme) 1.Popol Vuh-- except from "Spirit of Peace" (In den Garten Pharaohs/Aguirre; Celestial Harmonies) 2.Fripp/Eno-- title-track (Evening Star; Editions EG) 3.Tortoise-- "Glass Museum" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die; Thrill Jockey) 4.Neu!-- "Seeland" (Neu! '75; Astralwerks) 5.Anubian Lights-- "Arc of Ra" (The Eternal Sky; Cleopatra) 6.Psychedelic Warriors-- "Mists of Meridin" (Church of Hawkwind; Griffin) 7.The Brain-- "Echoes of an Ancient Sky/Glow of Aristarchus" (Access and Amplify; Cleopatra) 8.Amon Duul II-- "Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse" (Wolf City/Best of '69-'74; Repitoirre/Cleopatra) 9.Brainticket-- "Feel the Wind" (Psychonaut; Bellaphone) 10.Quarkspace-- "Air" (Live Orion; Eternity's Jest) 11.Saddar Bazaar-- "Sukoon" (Conference of the Birds; Delerium) 12.Tea Party-- "Shadows on the Mountainside" (Edges of Twilight; Chrysalis/EMI) 13.Daniel Lanois-- "St. Ann's Gold" (Acadie; Opal/Warner Bros) 14.Cyber Zen Sound Engine-- "Mare Serenetatis" (Moonscapes; How Stones Become Enlightened; CZSE) 15.Aqueous-- "Kissing Machine" (Entertaining Angels; Hermetic) 16.Hawkwind-- "We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago" (In Search of Space; EMI) 17.Charalambides-- "One Song" (Serotonin Ronin 2; Camera Obscura) 18.Nik Turner-- "Osiris" (Sphynx; Cleopatra) 19.Mr. Quimby's Beard-- "The Perplexity of Infinity" (The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of...; Stone Premonitions) thanks, Chuck From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Wed Dec 12 22:47:51 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:47:51 -0500 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: according to booklet in `mighty hawkwind classics' it's a live cut. tim Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:15:29 -0400, Nick Medford > > wrote: > > >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400, Jobson, Eddie > > >wrote: > > > > > >>The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? > > > > > >Don't know the answer to this one > > > > It sounds to me like the backing track from the released version. My guess > > would be that it's a rough mix made after the instrumental tracking > > sessions were finished, given to the singer (Brock) to practice vocals with > > before recording them in the studio ... certainly a common recording > > practice. > > It's certainly not live live as there are two guitar > tracks. Wondered about this myself. Single overdubs from the same time as > `Motorhead'? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: I. E. M. - _I. E. M._ > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Thu Dec 13 05:09:20 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:09:20 -0500 Subject: HW: RFH...a short review Message-ID: According to Bernhards gig list, it wasn't played live ever in the 70's? -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 12/12/01 22:47 Subject: Re: HW: RFH...a short review according to booklet in `mighty hawkwind classics' it's a live cut. tim Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:15:29 -0400, Nick Medford > > wrote: > > >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:46 -0400, Jobson, Eddie > > >wrote: > > > > > >>The Kings of Speed instrumental on the HW Zoo EP, where was that recorded? > > > > > >Don't know the answer to this one > > > > It sounds to me like the backing track from the released version. My guess > > would be that it's a rough mix made after the instrumental tracking > > sessions were finished, given to the singer (Brock) to practice vocals with > > before recording them in the studio ... certainly a common recording > > practice. > > It's certainly not live live as there are two guitar > tracks. Wondered about this myself. Single overdubs from the same time as > `Motorhead'? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: I. E. M. - _I. E. M._ > -- > "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine > law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient > to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the > delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. > > (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Thu Dec 13 12:17:08 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:17:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas Competition Message-ID: London Underground shurely? On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:37:29 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Rik Rx writes: > >> ++STAR WARRIORS >> >> We have a competition online for a pair of tickets to the >> HAWKWIND XMAS PARTY on 20th December at the Forum in London >> >> For details point your browsers at; >> >> Mission Control - Tour Info >> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/to_.htm > >The question is "What was Dave Brock's first solo release?" > >I''m trying to remember whether it was the Zones/Processed single >through Brian Tawn or the Social Alliance/Raping Robots in the Street 7". > >FoFP London Underground shurely? From laura.waesche at CEXP.COM Thu Dec 13 12:52:52 2001 From: laura.waesche at CEXP.COM (Laura Waesche) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:52:52 -0600 Subject: Mikewind posts Message-ID: Hey Steve, just how much of a bitch is this Layla before I start contributing to this fight she insists on having? Thanks! Laura Waesche Corporate Express Document & Print Management 1721 Moon Lake Blvd. Suite 305 Hoffman Estates, IL 60194 888-252-1526 From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Thu Dec 13 16:19:22 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:19:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Quarkspace-Drop Message-ID: From: "K Henderson" > Now that the CDRs I promised are now on their way to you all, I've put > together a couple of image files for using as jewel boxes inserts. With my > antiquated graphix techniques, I'm afraid they didn't come out as well as I > would have liked (the colors never turn out the same in the .jpg as they > appeared in Corel Draw) and so they're a rather ugly green color. Oh well, > sue me. Your printer will probably interpret the color differently and so > it will again be some other shade (mine came out striped!). (In any case, > still ugly, certainly.) I'm sure many of you can change the background to > something you prefer. Got mine today, Thanks. I'll burn copies for 3 people if you didn't get in on the original offer. Reply off-list please. Jerry From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Thu Dec 13 16:44:49 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:44:49 EST Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: Hi everyone Anyone help with a query ? Whats the full line up on Ghostdance ..The version listed as L1 on the Codex..(main version)...Anyone know when and where it was recorded and especially who the drummer is ? From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 13 17:11:42 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:11:42 -0500 Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:44:49 EST, Al Ogilvy wrote: > Whats the full line up on Ghostdance ..The version listed as L1 on the >Codex..(main version)...Anyone know when and where it was recorded and >especially who the drummer is ? If you were to go to boc-l archives: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html ... then do a search for "Live Ghost Dance", you'd find this message: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9705B&L=BOC-L&P=R3747 ... in which Bernhard reports: >Most of the 1982 live tracks could be either from Bristol 31.10.1982 or >London 12.11.1982 > >The GHOST DANCE version from the HAWKFAN 12 record is from Sheffield >27.11.1984 like a couple of tracks from the UNDISCOLSED FILES CD The lineup for the fall '82 tour was: Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Griffin and the lineup for the fall '84 tour was: Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Davey / Deamer (apparently Danny Thompson played some gigs, but not the 27.11.1984 date) The version of "Ghost Dance" on Anthology/Acid Daze/Golden Void/etc. would be the '82 version, with Martin Griffin drumming. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 13 17:27:54 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:27:54 -0500 Subject: HW: special guest Ian K. Message-ID: OK, now that I answered someone else's question, I have one of my own (and I already checked the archives, which helped answer part of the question): What exactly did Lemmy play on the occasions he guested with Hawkwind? The dates are: London | Hammersmith Odeon | 13.10.1978 | Fri | BR/BA/CA/SW/GR/LE Camden | Electric Ballroom | 29.12.1979 | Sat | BR/BA/LL/BL/KI/LE London | Hammersmith Odeon | 13.03.1984 | Tue | BR/BA/LL/DM/TU/DF/LE/MO London | Hammersmith Odeon | 14.03.1984 | Wed | BR/BA/LL/DM/TU/DF/LE/MO Crystal Palace | Anti Heroin Festival | 24.08.1985 | Sat | BR/DA/BA/LL/TH/LE Reading | Festival | 24.08.1986 | Sun | BR/DA/BA/LL/TH/LE/DU Finsbury Park | Acid Daze | 23.08.1987 | Sun | BR/DA/BA/LL/TH/LE/DU London | Town & Country Club | 30.05.1988 | Mon | BR/DA/BA/LL/TH/LE Brixton | Academy | 03.09.1989 | Sun | BR/DA/BA/CH/HO/WI/LE Brixton | Academy | 21.10.2000 | Sat | BR/CH/TR/RI/HO/DA/KN/BA/TU/LE/BL And the tracks are ... >13.10.1978, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 80/8 >automoton / 25 years / high rise / death trap / micro man / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / sonic attack / flying doctor / steppenwolf / psi power / brainstorm / free fall / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / master of the universe / silver machine * This is the show where he grabbed the mic to sing "Silver Machine", right? So just vocals, no bass. >29.12.1979, CAMDEN, ELECTRIC BALLROOM, 85/7 >shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / new jerusalem / lighthouse / brainstorm / phenomenon of luminosity / pxr5 / master of the universe / silver machine / levitation * Probably "Silver Machine"? What about "Master of the Universe"? But surely not "Levitation", even if he did play (or just sing?) on "Silver Machine". >13.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 110/8 >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / dragons and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born to go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social alliance / note from a cold planet / night of the hawks / ejection / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the edge of time / psi power / master of the universe / silver machine >14.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 120/7 >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / dragons and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born to go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social alliance / note from a cold planet / night of the hawks / ejection / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the edge of time / psi power / * According to a listmember who was there, he joined the band for 40 minutes at at least one of these shows. Does anyone know which songs? I would guess, "Night of the Hawks", "Ejection", the "Brainstorm"/"Sonic Attack"/"Dust of Time" (aka "The Island") medley, "Master of the Universe", and "Silver Machine". That probably makes about 30 minutes (unless they played "Silver Machine" forever) ... was that all? >24.08.1985, CRYSTAL PALACE BOWL, 50/10 >intro / coded languages / angels of death / got your number / magnu / dream worker / dust of time / instrumental / needle gun / assault & battery / night of the hawks / brainstorm * This has "Assault & Battery" / "Night of the Hawk" as the medley, correct? Did Lemmy play on both tracks? What about "Brainstorm"? >24.08.1986, READING FESTIVAL, 80/8 >magnu / angels of death / pulsing cavern / assault & battery / needle gun / paradox / shade gate / master of the universe / arrival in utopia / choose your masks / moonglum / brainstorm / dream worker / dust of time / hassan i sahba / silver machine * This one has been released (the only one!) on the 'Friday Rock Show' CD. Lemmy plays bass and sings "Silver Machine" (which also features Dumpy). >23.08.1987, FINSBURY PARK, ACID DAZE, 85/9 >intro / angels of death / assault & battery / lost chronicles / needle gun / rocky paths / waiting for tomorrow / master of the universe / shade gate / dragons and fables / arrival in utopia / moonglum / brainstorm / dream worker / brainstorm / hassan i sahba / urban guerilla / silver machine * "Silver Machine", of course. What about "Urban Guerilla"? I assume Dumpy also played on one or both? >30.05.1988, LONDON, TOWN & COUNTRY CLUB, 100/8 >instrumental / arrival in utopia / needle gun / sword of the east / lost chronicles / war i survived / levitation / shot down in the night / wasteland of sleep / moonglum / sonic attack / rocky paths / brainstorm / master of the universe * "Master of the Universe"? "Brainstorm"? >03.09.1989, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 95/9 >intro / magnu / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / heads / time we left / hassan i sahba / wind of change / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / brainstorm / dream worker / damnation alley / needle gun / master of the universe / welcome * "Master of the Universe" and "Welcome" (I think it was Andy Gilham who mentioned this on the list). >21.10.2000, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 215/9 - "Earth Calling" through "Ejection"? >hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / arrival in utopia / voyager / free fall / wage war / shot down in the night / rocky paths / moonglum / warriors / angels of death / first landing on medusa / spirit of the age / psi power / motorway city / hurry on sundown / only dreaming / hurry on sundown / lighthouse / right to decide / sputnik stan / earth calling / you shouldn't do that / psychedelic warlords / ten seconds of foreever / space is deep / forge of vulcan / brainstorm / sonic attac / masters of the universe / born to go / orgone accumulator / silver machine / ejection * Everything from "Earth Calling" through "Ejection", except "Forge of Vulcan", which was Simon House solo. Any assistance filling-in-the-blanks and any corrections/additions are welcome! Thanks! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Thu Dec 13 17:33:06 2001 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:06 +1100 Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote :- and the lineup for the fall '84 tour was: Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Davey / Deamer (apparently Danny Thompson played some gigs, but not the 27.11.1984 date) Rick Martinez ,played on some of the Earth Ritual tour (march84 ?) but was then sacked and replaced by Clive Deamer, didn't Danny and Alan Play at Stongehenge in 1984 with the band for the first time ? have fun Marty From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Thu Dec 13 17:40:08 2001 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:40:08 +1100 Subject: special guest Ian K. Message-ID: > >13.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 110/8 > >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / > dragons > and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born > to > go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social > alliance / note from a cold planet / night of the hawks / ejection / uncle > sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / > brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the > edge > of time / psi power / master of the universe / silver machine > >14.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 120/7 > >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / > dragons > and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born > to > go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social > alliance / note from a cold planet / night of the hawks / ejection / uncle > sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / > brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the > edge > of time / psi power / > > * According to a listmember who was there, he joined the band for 40 > minutes at at least one of these shows. Does anyone know which songs? I > would guess, "Night of the Hawks", "Ejection", the "Brainstorm"/"Sonic > Attack"/"Dust of Time" (aka "The Island") medley, "Master of the > Universe", > and "Silver Machine". That probably makes about 30 minutes (unless they > played "Silver Machine" forever) ... was that all? > He came on for Night of the Hawks and stayed until the end of the set, but I can't remember which night I went to, it was a bit of a shock to see him come on so early in the set. Hammersmith gigs always seemed to get the guests. regards Marty From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Thu Dec 13 17:53:38 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:53:38 EST Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: Thanx to doug for the info. i didnt know you could access BOC-L archives like that....( i'm a bit of a slow learner with tech stuff I'm afraid ) . Thanx again...most useful!! Just out of interest...Just bought the re-issued NEU first album...Mega stuff !!! Didnt Dave Brock have something to do with Neu? I have a vague memory of reading years ago that he produced them, but theres no info to that effect on the sleeve. That said, however Hallogallo is one mother of a track !! Very HW feel to it (atmosphere wise anyway) in my opinion !! Highly reccomended ! From coral at APORT.RU Thu Dec 13 18:10:40 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:10:40 +0300 Subject: HW: Strangewind Message-ID: Hello! The show where Dave and Ron were not on stage. So interesting who was singing on what songs? thanks Alisa From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 13 18:23:08 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:23:08 EST Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/01 10:03:44 PM GMT Standard Time, hw at CY-B.ORG writes: > There will soon be a few VERY special releases for passport holders. > Hang on in there....... > Still waiting for mine. Steve. From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 13 18:27:33 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:27:33 EST Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/11/01 11:04:34 PM GMT Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > So... dear HW crew, your suggestions? > > Damned silly idea. Steve. From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 13 18:49:28 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:49:28 -0500 Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:53:38 EST, Al Ogilvy wrote: > Thanx to doug for the info. > i didnt know you could access BOC-L archives like that....( i'm a bit of a > slow learner with tech stuff I'm afraid ) . You're most welcome. I *highly* recommend checking out the archives to everyone on the list. There's an incredible wealth of information, and accounts of tons of fantastic experiences people have had with Hawkwind (and other bands!) in there. > Just out of interest...Just bought the re-issued NEU first album...Mega > stuff !!! > Didnt Dave Brock have something to do with Neu? I have a vague memory of > reading years ago that he produced them, but theres no info to that > effect on the sleeve. Dave was supposed to have written the liner notes to a reissue of one of their albums, but I have no idea whether or not it actually happened. He's *definitely* a fan, and Neu! were *definitely* an influence/inspiration for "Opa-Loka", a song that captures the Neu! pulse most excellently. > That said, however Hallogallo is one mother of a track !! Very HW feel > to it (atmosphere wise anyway) in my opinion !! Highly reccomended ! You'll probably want to pick up their third album, 'Neu! 75', next. The second ('Neu! 2') is also very good, but suffers from really only being half an album (the other half is the same songs played back at different speeds!). Enjoy! -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 13 18:51:08 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:51:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Strangewind Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:10:40 +0300, Alice wrote: >The show where Dave and Ron were not on stage. >So interesting who was singing on what songs? Captain Rizz did the lead vocals. Assisted by Steve Taylor, IIRC. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Thu Dec 13 18:01:22 2001 From: mr_bt at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Colm McWilliams) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:01:22 -0000 Subject: HW: special guest Ian K. Message-ID: From: "Doug Pearson" > >24.08.1985, CRYSTAL PALACE BOWL, 50/10 > >intro / coded languages / angels of death / got your number / magnu / > dream worker / dust of time / instrumental / needle gun / assault & > battery / night of the hawks / brainstorm > > * This has "Assault & Battery" / "Night of the Hawk" as the medley, > correct? Did Lemmy play on both tracks? What about "Brainstorm"? I have this on CDR (The silver surfer on the dust of time) and Lemmy maybe? (Dave Brock annonces a special guest but doesn't say who it is) comes on at the end to sing on Brainstorm. hope that helps? cheers colm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 13 19:45:51 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:45:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Strangewind Message-ID: >On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:10:40 +0300, Alice wrote: >>The show where Dave and Ron were not on stage. >>So interesting who was singing on what songs? > >Captain Rizz did the lead vocals. Assisted by Steve Taylor, IIRC. No, I don't think so. I know Jerry Richards did some of the singing. I don't think Steve T. sang at all. And I think Richard 'sang' what little vocals there were to "Starfire Mountain Dreaming". And a significant portion of it (the beginning) was instrumental. And it was only perhaps a 70-minute show (at most). I know Rizz+ did the vocals to 'Space is Deep' 'cause it was the most godawful thing I'd ever heard! He also did some reggae rant thing there, pretty much the "Rat Race" piece IIRC. Let's see, they did 'Spirit of the Age' that night didn't they?....trying to remember now....probably both Jerry and Rizz+ contributing vocals there. I have a tape of this at home, and I assume the three voices are all distinct enough to tell the difference. I'll try to remember to bring it in tomorrow. Grakkl (FAA) From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 13 20:16:04 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:16:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Strangewind Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:45:51 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >>Captain Rizz did the lead vocals. Assisted by Steve Taylor, IIRC. > >No, I don't think so. I know Jerry Richards did some of the singing. I >don't think Steve T. sang at all. And I think Richard 'sang' what little >vocals there were to "Starfire Mountain Dreaming". And a significant >portion of it (the beginning) was instrumental. And it was only perhaps a >70-minute show (at most). Yes, you're 100% correct about Jerry. >I know Rizz+ did the vocals to 'Space is Deep' 'cause it was the most >godawful thing I'd ever heard! He also did some reggae rant thing there, >pretty much the "Rat Race" piece IIRC. Let's see, they did 'Spirit of the >Age' that night didn't they?....trying to remember now....probably both >Jerry and Rizz+ contributing vocals there. Yes, "Space Is Deep" was awful. I think "Spirit of the Age" was mostly Rizz, but checking the tape would make the most sense ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 13 13:22:56 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:22:56 -0600 Subject: Mikewind posts Message-ID: Am I missing something here? ?????????????????????????? Or was that supposed to be offlist. Richw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Waesche" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Mikewind posts > Hey Steve, just how much of a bitch is this Layla before I start contributing to this fight she insists on having? > > Thanks! > > Laura Waesche > Corporate Express Document & Print Management > 1721 Moon Lake Blvd. > Suite 305 > Hoffman Estates, IL 60194 > 888-252-1526 From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Dec 13 20:57:06 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:57:06 -0700 Subject: HW: Strangewind In-Reply-To: <200112140116.UAA10887@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Nope, "Spirit of the Age" was Jerry, who did most of the vocals that night. Rizz did "Standing at the Edge" and most of "Starfire Mountain Dreaming" along with that "Space Is Deep" which makes me want to poke my ears out just thinking about it. KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:16 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Strangewind > > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:45:51 -0500, K Henderson > wrote: > >>Captain Rizz did the lead vocals. Assisted by Steve Taylor, IIRC. > > > >No, I don't think so. I know Jerry Richards did some of the singing. I > >don't think Steve T. sang at all. And I think Richard 'sang' what little > >vocals there were to "Starfire Mountain Dreaming". And a significant > >portion of it (the beginning) was instrumental. And it was only > perhaps a > >70-minute show (at most). > > Yes, you're 100% correct about Jerry. > > >I know Rizz+ did the vocals to 'Space is Deep' 'cause it was the most > >godawful thing I'd ever heard! He also did some reggae rant thing there, > >pretty much the "Rat Race" piece IIRC. Let's see, they did > 'Spirit of the > >Age' that night didn't they?....trying to remember now....probably both > >Jerry and Rizz+ contributing vocals there. > > Yes, "Space Is Deep" was awful. I think "Spirit of the Age" was mostly > Rizz, but checking the tape would make the most sense ... > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 13 22:06:31 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:06:31 +0000 Subject: Nikestra, crowd size In-Reply-To: <008301c15b4e$3e131820$4523073e@djsatan> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Daniel Jackson wrote: > no-ones mentioned how many people were there. is this because there weren't > many??? It wasn't full, but there were people. I'd guess somewhere between 500-800? Maybe less, maybe more, it's diffiuclt to get an idea in the Astoria because the bars and stalls are now obscured from the floor. I gather OZ-It didn't lose money anyway. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 13 22:46:22 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:46:22 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011022235848.007a8a10@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, K Henderson wrote: > Here's my review...perhaps not the amazing metaphorical zoo that Jon > Jarrett offered on the Nikestra, but I try my best. :) Aw shucks... and after such a compliment I'm going to snip his entire review too, if only because it was good and I wasn't there so have nothing to add. But this: > At the show, copious amounts of merchandise was available. Included was the > SD2001 official T-shirt featuring a MQB-related front design, and all the > band names from the weekend event listed on the back as in previous years. > A really nice design (available in several shirt colors, including white, > grey, and yellow), as long as you're not particularly squeamish about > protruding alien genitalia. Those of you with the 'Definitive Unsolved > Mysteries...' disc should know of what I speak. CDs were spread upon > several tables, including the entire Quarkspace catalog, the three Quimby > CDs plus Hardy's solo disc, and then a number of Strange Trips specials. > These included (I think) the three that were released last year (Harvey's > for sure), but also a couple of 'new' CD-R specials that Jim has offered > (perhaps just for the tour?). Alman Mulo's Afrodiziac (which I believe has > been OOP for over a decade) and Harvey's more recent solo effort 'Red > Shift' (which I didn't look at, but I assume it was also a S-T CDR?, unless > Harvey had his own stash of Taste issues which I rather doubt). I got an > Afrodiziac for myself, and just put it on moments ago to discover it > doesn't read easily on either of my disc-players. But with a little > encouragement, it did finally 'read' and play - seems to play fine now but > I'll probably burn myself an extra copy for security. ... by which I mean, the Harvey solo CD. I got one at the Hawkestra. It was the last one they had, I don't know if they had more to start with, they had to search for it so maybe not as otherwise I guess they'd have known where it was. I just find it odd that this CD (and mine is a CD, not CD-R) should pop up so suddenly both sides of the Atlantic. I think someone *must* have been sitting on a stash of Taste issues, if not Harvey, or possibly someone actually managed to find the guy who owns the label. Anyway, it's very good. If you have his _Interstellar Chaos_ album you know that's sort of two sorts of track, the free-form atmospherics in short bursts and then the lengthy repetitive space-machine trance kind of efforts like a factory of pulse engines all running. Which is OK but for eleven minutes with minimum variation could be more interesting. _Red Shift_ combines the two straight away, you get a few bits of the atmospherics and then a sequencer line appears from the underlying fog, you just hear it winding up with a noise I love before the atmospherics shine again and when they clear it's set up and running, This is just the first track, `Solar Drive Down' but it's more or less like a short Harvey version of TD's `Rubycon Part 1' and I love it. The other stuff is not so startlingly good, but still better, the whole album shows a lightness of touch missing from _Interstellar Chaos_ and the story in the liner notes is class stuff. So if anyone knows who's made these discs available, get 'em to do it more, more people should be listening to this stuff. Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 14 01:09:41 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:09:41 EST Subject: HW:Ghostdance Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/01 2:12:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, jasret at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > The lineup for the fall '82 tour was: > Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Griffin > > and the lineup for the fall '84 tour was: > Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Davey / Deamer > (apparently Danny Thompson played some gigs, but not the 27.11.1984 date) > ...always knew the drums were too good to be Danny...though isn't he credited on the Undisclosed Files/Addendum disc? > The version of "Ghost Dance" on Anthology/Acid Daze/Golden Void/etc. would > be the '82 version, with Martin Griffin drumming. > Which is also the same version as the one on Out/Intake, yes? With about a minute extra, where you get to hear Nik intro the tune and then "woo-woo-woo-woo" later on...almost ruins it! Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 14 01:09:24 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:09:24 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby!, Harvey Message-ID: JJ waits until the words are aged just right... >> but also a couple of 'new' CD-R specials that Jim has offered >> (perhaps just for the tour?). Alman Mulo's Afrodiziac (which I believe has >> been OOP for over a decade) and Harvey's more recent solo effort 'Red >> Shift' (which I didn't look at, but I assume it was also a S-T CDR?, unless >> Harvey had his own stash of Taste issues which I rather doubt). I got an >> Afrodiziac for myself, and just put it on moments ago to discover it >> doesn't read easily on either of my disc-players. But with a little >> encouragement, it did finally 'read' and play - seems to play fine now but >> I'll probably burn myself an extra copy for security. > > ... by which I mean, the Harvey solo CD. I got one at the >Hawkestra. It was the last one they had, I don't know if they had more to >start with, they had to search for it so maybe not as otherwise I guess >they'd have known where it was. I just find it odd that this CD (and mine >is a CD, not CD-R) should pop up so suddenly both sides of the Atlantic. I >think someone *must* have been sitting on a stash of Taste issues, if not >Harvey, or possibly someone actually managed to find the guy who owns the >label. A brief snippet of upcoming AI interview with Harvey... AI (that's me): So I see out on the merchandise table that you've got some CDR versions of some of the old solo work you did. And so...it's really hard to find anything. What is the status with the old Taste label? HB (that's Harvey): Yeah, I'm not sure what happened to Taste. I can't get ahold of Bill Wood at the moment. I think he had a few people after him in one form or another. But, no, he did quite well really getting it out into the market, but then there....I think what he did, was he sold it onto some European firm or something, and a lot of those CDs went into a holding company and I haven't been able to get any more. So, what...I mean, they are mine, so I just decided I would....because people have asked me, you know, for them again. I'm trying to sort something new out at the moment. My son (Matthew) has got a little record label now, we're going to try to do things on that. 'Cause earlier this year I was doing a few live shows in England and we recorded those, and we're going to sort of mess around with those...and since he's a ****? technician and so...which is - recording and equipment...So we're going to mess about with that and put something out on his label. ****(some word that is unintelligable on the tape...sounds like "pro-tours" - does anybody know what word it could be?) >Anyway, it's very good. If you have his _Interstellar Chaos_ album >you know that's sort of two sorts of track It's much better than Interstellar Chaos IMHO. In fact, I think Red Shift is the best Harvey stuff I've heard outside of a couple HW tracks. I wonder if Jim L. is going to be continually offering 'Red Shift' and 'Afrodiziac' on CDR....I hope so. I'll try to find out before the issue goes to 'print.' Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 14 01:21:22 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:21:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Ghostdance Message-ID: Chuck responds... >> The lineup for the fall '82 tour was: >> Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Griffin >> >> and the lineup for the fall '84 tour was: >> Brock / Turner / Lloyd-Langton / Bainbridge / Davey / Deamer >> (apparently Danny Thompson played some gigs, but not the 27.11.1984 date) > >...always knew the drums were too good to be Danny...though isn't he credited >on the Undisclosed Files/Addendum disc? I've only had two quick listens, but the new Bedouin is the first one with DT on (virtually) all the tracks, and I must say he's alright now. Nothing amazing or anything, just he's certainly no longer any sort of major annoyance. And I think that a lot of his problem was really the way it was recorded/engineered on those albums (Chronicle, Xenon) - the THUMP/THWACK nature could have been toned down a bit by *someone* in 'post' you'd think? Anyway, it'll take awhile before I have a finalized opinion about this album, but with 35% of precincts reporting, I'm projecting Bedouin to win re-election in their district. "Follow these rules!" (Oh, sorry.) :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The answer to yesterday's trivia question (in the Onion spoof article, which was almost certainly about me), is that My Dad Is Dead opened for Hawkwind in 1989 at the Cleveland Phantasy Theatre, though instead of it being just one guy (Mark Edwards), he had a bass player with him and a rhythm generating box/tape player of some sort on the floor. And I didn't think they were very good. But then they were better than the hiphop/rap music that they then played very loudly over the PA for the next ninety minutes (it seemed) until Hawkwind finally showed up again and walked onto the stage....to then put on an amazing performance to a very large audience (by US standards), perhaps 1000. BTW, with all the amazing codexes (codices? codexa? codpieces?) out there, is there one that contains all the known warmup acts for as many gigs as can be known? Has that even been tried? Challenging task that! From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Fri Dec 14 02:14:25 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:14:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: MP3 editing software Message-ID: Hey guys, Can anyone recommend software (preferably freeware or shareware) that allows the user to edit mp3 files (as in, make them shorter then the whole song!). WinAmp doesn't seem to do that, nor RealJukebox... bummer. I'd appreciate any help! Thanks. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 14 02:32:48 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:32:48 EST Subject: OFF: WARNING: 2.7 MB ATTACHMENT SENT BY ERROR TO BOC-L Message-ID: DELETE DELETE DELETE MANY APOLOGIES. I should just quit. "<>" 0238 friday From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 14 02:44:10 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:44:10 EST Subject: OFF: WARNING: 2.7 MB ATTACHMENT SENT BY ERROR TO BOC-L Message-ID: ....and the sucka exceeds the space limitations so it wont get to cause me, or you, any misery. whew. and whew again. L'menexe "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 14 02:32:13 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:32:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: Well... The Ramones Talking Heads Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Isaac Hayes Brenda Lee Gene Pitney Another year, another bunch of puzzling names. Not that I can't see that one or two of these artists were 'important' or anything (I even *own* albums by Talking Heads, which certainly makes *them* important) :) I just look at the below and am baffled. IN: The Kinks Grateful Dead* Billy Joel Michael Jackson BeeGees roughly 324 names I've never heard of from before 1960 NOT IN: Black Sabbath Blue Oyster Cult Deep Purple Jethro Tull Judas Priest Moody Blues Motorhead (now eligible...forget it!) Rush Steppenwolf Supertramp Traffic Yes (UK-specific bands, that had no shot to begin with, not included) It makes no sense, LZ, Cream, Airplane, the Who, Hendrix, Pink Floyd and Velvet Underground (for chrissakes! How many albums did they sell when they were together?) are in (as of course, they absolutely should be!)...and I guess Queen you can throw into the lot here as what most 'classic' rock radio is all about. But there wasn't one second that I thought (when I learned there was going to be a RoRHoF) that these 11 artists wouldn't be, like, charter members. And there are about three times as many names in there that I expected - half of them I've never heard of before - and these 11 aren't even in. Just goes to show you that people have very different definitions of what "Rock and Roll" really is. :) Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? Brenda Lee I don't know from Eve either. And Isaac Hayes - the guy who did Shaft? Is there something else about Isaac Hayes that I just don't know about? Granted, I don't know *anything* about him *except* that. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Oh, crap...next year (1977-) is prolly gonna have Johnny Cougar (seems about the right time?), Van Halen, Donna Summer, Devo, and the Knack. And you see, how the heck are they going to be able to fill in the other 11 now that they keep having this 'new' class of miserable garbage to add in each time? P.P.S. Question: Will Ozzy Osbourne (solo) be inducted in 2005 with Black Sabbath still not a member? P.P.P.S. Why do I even care? :) * I picked up "Anthem of the Sun" just for curiosity sake, and tried with all my might to listen to it without thinking horrid thoughts, like, "My God, I'm listening to the *Dead*!" :) It's not awful I guess, but I can't really see myself thinking that this is anything that special. We'll see...old habits die hard. :) From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Dec 14 04:18:35 2001 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:18:35 -0700 Subject: :):):) Message-ID: Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. Amazing...... Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace As Doug concurred... >checking the tape would make the most sense... OK, I gave it a listen today, and although I wasn't paying total attention, I marked down what seemed to be happening... First off, there were a lot more vocals than I had remembered...even the tracks I thought were instrumental had vocal bits in there - often spoken stuff. And I think all the voices are Jerry Richards, Capt. Rizz+, and Richard Chadwick (he's obvious), though RC doesn't actually sing anything - he's doing more "MC" announcements and such (the infamous "We Are The Ones Who Are Left" and the like). I scribbled down some est. track times for the record... Strange Daze 1998 - StrangeWind headlining performance (69 minutes) Band Introduction: Thom (the World Poet) Woodruff 1. Intro/Welcome to the Future (7:10) - Spoken (JR & Rizz+) RC intro ("We are the ones who are left") 2. The Wheel/Do You Really Care?/The Wheel (reprise) (9:15) - Spoken (Rizz+) 3. Standing at the Edge (2:35) - Spoken (Rizz+) 4. Assault & Battery (3:15) - JR 5. The Golden Void (5:35) - JR 6. Spirit of the Age (6:35) - JR 7. Starfire Mountain Dreaming (11:35) - hmm...now I'm thinking maybe that was Thom on there for that? Wasn't paying enough attention. If not, Rizz+. RC intro only. 8. Time We Left This World Today (5:40) - JR (TWL...) / Rizz+ (...tWT)? 9. Space Is Deep (5:00) - Rizz+ 10. Electronics (1:20) 11. Brainstorm/In Your Area/Brainstorm (10:05) - JR/Rizz+/JR All in all, you know, it didn't turn out to be such a bad show. The memory of "Space Is Deep" is unfortunately the thing that sticks in my head to this day, but that was a mere 5 minutes out of a 70 minute set. OK, I now realize that Rizz+'s 'In Your Area' shtick appalled me as I was hearing it last night. But I remember it being rather a bit of fun as I was standing there in the audience (and this was the first time I'd heard this, since the album of the same name had yet to appear), but I was also noticing some rather stunned faces around me. (I was prepared for Rizz+ having read about him here, so it wasn't a complete surprise.) The worst thing about it is that it was only 70 minutes, and it was 'padded' just to get it up to that length. But given the circumstances.... Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Mirza - Last Clouds (perhaps the best thing I've heard all year. Too bad the band is no more - this is a posthumous release of leftovers...best stuff they ever did!! Steven R. Smith is now in Thuja. Doug P. - you ever run into these guys in SF?) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 13 18:42:55 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:42:55 +0000 Subject: HW: special guest Ian K. In-Reply-To: <200112132227.RAA09638@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200112132227.RAA09638 at listserv.spc.edu>, Doug Pearson writes >>23.08.1987, FINSBURY PARK, ACID DAZE, 85/9 >>intro / angels of death / assault & battery / lost chronicles / needle >gun / rocky paths / waiting for tomorrow / master of the universe / shade >gate / dragons and fables / arrival in utopia / moonglum / brainstorm / >dream worker / brainstorm / hassan i sahba / urban guerilla / silver >machine > >* "Silver Machine", of course. What about "Urban Guerilla"? I assume >Dumpy also played on one or both? Yes- both Lemmy and Dumpy came on for the encore, which was UG and SM. -- Nick Medford From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 14 07:33:26 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:33:26 +0000 Subject: HW: how many is there In-Reply-To: <200110241849.OAA04834@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:14:45 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: > >I was just wondering, how many official HW albums are there? > > > >Not counting any quasi stuff ... Just official stuff the band has > >put out from Hawkwind to Yule Ritual. > > > >Does anybody know off the top of their head? > > My count: > Hawkwind > X In Search of Space > Doremi Fasol Latido > Space Ritual Live > Hall of the Mountain Grill > Warrior on the Edge of Time > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Quark, Strangeness & Charm > P.X.R.5 > Hawklords / 25 Years On I generally get pernickety about that and say, no, it's a Hawklords record not a Hawkwind one. But there's only so far you can take that argument of course. It's probably the only `Hawklords' record that point of view would be at all defensible over, in fact... > Live '79 > Levitation > Sonic Attack > Church of Hawkwind > Choose Your Masques > Zones > Earth Ritual Preview EP > This is Hawkwind / Do Not Panic > Chronicle of the Black Sword Hokay, why not _Live Chronicles_? It was on GWR and it's on Castle these days, and it dosn't seem to be in the list of ones you ignored... > Out & Intake > Xenon Codex > Palace Springs > Space Bandits > Electric Tepee > Decide Your Future EP > It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous > The Business Trip > Quark, Strangeness & Charm EP > Psychedelic Warriors / White Zone _Area S4_ EP here by my count. I see you leave it out deliberately below, is that because it has no exlcusive material other than the edited `Alien'? If so why is _Decide Your Future_ `in'? > Alien4 > Love in Space > Lord of Light EP Do you mean the `Love in Space' single? > Distant Horizons > Hawkwind 1997 Um, is that really official? I grant you it's a band-sanctioned release but it's not what I'd call canon myself, just because of its special release arrangements. > In Your Area > Yule Ritual > > That makes 36 (or 32, if you don't count the four EP's) 37 or 32 by my adjustments. Also... > Not counted: > Glastonbury Fayre > Greasy Truckers Party > Roadhawks > Masters of the Universe > Repeat Performance > Angels of Death > Weird Tapes vol. 1-7 > Hawkwind Zoo EP > Sonic Assassins EP > Valium Ten/Motorhead single > Friends & Relations vol. 1-3 > Text of Festival > Bring Me The Head of Dave Anderson > Space Ritual vol.2 > Independent Days 1 & 2 > Anthology / Acid Daze vol. 1-3 > Hawkfan 12 > Bristol Custom Bike Show > Travellers Aid Trust > Radio 1 In Concert / Spacerock from London > Live at Reading 1986 > Stasis > Psychedelic Warlords & Lord of Light > California Brainstorm Now, why not that one? I know it's a one-off deal but it's not like a boot or anything, and furthermore it's a damn good album. Dave's guitar on that can be used to cut things... > Live in Space 1990 > Spirit of the Age solstice remixes EP > Gimme Shelter EP > Future Reconstructions > Hawklords Live > Undisclosed Files > Area S4 EP > Kinder der Revolution / Burg Herzen > Strange Daze 1997 > The 1999 Party I'd count that too, archive release or not. And I guess therefore I'd have to count _Atomhenge 76_ or _Thrilling Adventures_ (but not both!). I don't know what I think about _Live 1982_ or _Complete '79_ and I certainly wouldn't want to include _Glastonury 1990_ but _Atomhenge_ seems to be soundboard... > Griffin 4-CD box set > Epoch Eclipse / Ultimate Best Of > Ambient Anarchists > All Collectors Series releases (Glasto 90, 79, Masques 82, Atomhenge 76) > Hawkwind Family Tree > > Did I miss any? Should anything that I didn't count, "count"? Or vice- > versa? (My criteria for "counting": compilations don't count; various > artists albums don't count; recordings that came out *after-the-fact* don't > count - that's why 'This is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic' & 'Out & Intake' do > count, but 'The 1999 Party' & the 'Hawkwind Zoo' EP don't; EP's with new, > non-album material, count; stuff that's *just* remixes doesn't count ... I > think that explains everything.) I couldn't apply such criteria wthout making exceptions, as you see :-) But I think _Live Chronicles_ and _California Brainstorm_ (how far after the fact? It was only a year... ) should be in there, and either _Area S4_ should be or _Decide Your Future_ shouldn't. The rest I'll accept is my personal view, and go get some more tea while Keith H. decides how he's going to point out the delay between reality and my mails this time :-) Yours, Jon ObCD: Blue Cheer - _Vincebus Eruptum_ -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 14 07:47:43 2001 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:47:43 +0000 Subject: HW: special guest Ian K. Message-ID: Hi! > > >13.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 110/8 > >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / >dragons >and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born to >go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social >alliance / note from a cold planet / Lemmy joined the band for Night Of The Hawks and stayed on for the rest of the set, including making fun of Michael Moorcock on Curse Of Man & Warrior ... And he started Silver Machine by playing Smoke On The Water! night of the hawks / ejection / uncle >sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / >brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the edge >of time / psi power / master of the universe / silver machine > >14.03.1984, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 120/7 > >dream dancers / earth ritual / coded languages / angels of death / >dragons >and fables / ghost dance / watching the grass grow / dream worker / born to >go / ten seconds of forever / paranoia / paradox / utopia / social >alliance / note from a cold planet / Same thing here, but he walked off stage during Psi Power, if my memory serves me right. But he came back for Silver Machine. night of the hawks / ejection / uncle >sam's on mars / iron dream / curse of man / waiting for tomorrow / >brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / warrior on the edge >of time / psi power / Cheers, Juba _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 14 07:11:10 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:11:10 EDT Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <200112140750.CAA28666@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 14 Dec 2001, at 2:32, K Henderson wrote: > > NOT IN: > Black Sabbath > Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? Some idiot who recorded a couple of cornball ballads back in the early 60s--had about 3 or 4 'singles...' Brenda Lee I don't know from Eve > either. Well, she's referenced in Radar Love! Similar to Pitney, but more durable. Had a handful of 'hits' back in rock's mezesoic era... And Isaac Hayes - the guy who did Shaft? Is there something > else about Isaac Hayes that I just don't know about? Granted, I don't > know *anything* about him *except* that. I've got no problem with Isaac Hayes. He's an interesting musician and songwriter, but he belongs in the Soul or R'n'B HoF, 'cause he's never played anything remotely like rock music... > P.P.S. Question: Will Ozzy Osbourne (solo) be inducted in 2005 with > Black Sabbath still not a member? > Sabbath have expressed no interest in being inducted. Ozzy is esp. indifferent. He says that the Sabbath were so villified by the rock press establishment, that he wants no part of them now that the band is suddenly acceptable... theo From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Fri Dec 14 08:31:58 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:31:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees > Well... > > The Ramones > Talking Heads > Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers > Isaac Hayes > Brenda Lee > Gene Pitney > > Another year, another bunch of puzzling names. Not that I can't see that > one or two of these artists were 'important' or anything (I even *own* > albums by Talking Heads, which certainly makes *them* important) :) > > I just look at the below and am baffled. > > IN: > The Kinks > Grateful Dead* > Billy Joel > Michael Jackson > BeeGees > roughly 324 names I've never heard of from before 1960 > > NOT IN: > Black Sabbath > Blue Oyster Cult > Deep Purple > Jethro Tull > Judas Priest > Moody Blues > Motorhead (now eligible...forget it!) > Rush > Steppenwolf > Supertramp > Traffic > Yes > (UK-specific bands, that had no shot to begin with, not included) Alice Cooper!!!!! Who`s influence on Rock Stage performance is immense has been repeatedly ignored as well. Some of the metal/rock bands that ARE in wouldn`t exist if it wasn`t for Sabbath, Alice and Purple. The Hall of Fame is a disgrace. Sorry. But as someone who has a high profile in Alice fan circles, we have had to put up with him being ignored for about 8 years now and it has become very personal. In fact several inductees have apparently now mentioned how silly it is that they are in and Alice isn`t. Si From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Fri Dec 14 08:34:22 2001 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:34:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: > > P.P.S. Question: Will Ozzy Osbourne (solo) be inducted in 2005 with > > Black Sabbath still not a member? > > > Sabbath have expressed no interest in being inducted. Ozzy is > esp. indifferent. He says that the Sabbath were so villified by the > rock press establishment, that he wants no part of them now that > the band is suddenly acceptable... Ozzy has gone as far as request their name be removed from the ballot as the vote doesn`t come from anybody who matters ie the fans, but from a bunch of record company people. Of course the R&RHOF hasn`t done it. Si From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 14 08:31:18 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:31:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: Ted sez... >> P.P.S. Question: Will Ozzy Osbourne (solo) be inducted in 2005 with >> Black Sabbath still not a member? >> >Sabbath have expressed no interest in being inducted. Ozzy is >esp. indifferent. He says that the Sabbath were so villified by the >rock press establishment, that he wants no part of them now that >the band is suddenly acceptable... Um...isn't Ozzy *in* Black Sabbath? Or at least as recently as, what, three months ago? You know, one of those situations like 's 'Reunion' tour, followed by 'Final Performance,' followed by 'This Time We Really Mean It,' followed by 'Farewell Suckers,' followed by "Live...from the Budokan...it's U! F! O!" :) I think it's too late for Ozzy to 'leave' Black Sabbath and anyone take him seriously. (And if even he didn't perform with Iommi et al., truly 'leaving' Sabbath would require not performing any of those songs as a solo artist, which I'm guessing will never happen.) And I'm not sure what you mean about them now being 'acceptable.' Are you talking 'critical (musical) acceptance' or 'off the PMRC radar screen' acceptance? And what led to that? Ozz-fest 'hipness' factor or something? Just curious what you're getting at. Grakkl (FAA) From wrightm at BRE.CO.UK Fri Dec 14 08:56:39 2001 From: wrightm at BRE.CO.UK (Wright, Mike) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:56:39 -0000 Subject: HW Forum Message-ID: I have just phoned ticketweb, and they are the same as ticketmaster (well, sister companies) and the person dealing with me got confused about who she was answering the phone for. OK, I've lost the beehive web page address. Where are people meeting before hand? Hope to see people there Mike w > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill Strobridge [mailto:jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Sent: 12 December 2001 22:46 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: The pod now docking at pylon 3.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al Ogilvy > > > Firstly, got a few Questions....How do you order Xmas tickets? I cant get > > through to the forum on the number quoted. > > Hawkwind's web page gives the address for Ticketmaster (see > below) but I > found the Ticketmaster site incredibly slow. You only get 5 mins to > complete your transaction and the relevant pages took 5 mins to load! > Maybe I've just got an outdated machine and/or software or whatever. > However I usually order through TicketWeb UK (also see below) > who have a > much faster site. Both sites still have tickets available. > http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/ http://www.ticketweb.co.uk/ You've probably got an offer of dozens of Codexes by now but let me know if you still need one and I'll email you a copy of mine. cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- Privileged and confidential information and/or copyright material may be contained in this e-mail. The information and material is intended for the use of the intended addressee only. If you are not the intended addressee you may not copy or deliver it to anyone else or use it in any unauthorised manner. To do so is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you receive this e-mail by mistake, please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy all copies. Thank you. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 14 08:19:09 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:19:09 EDT Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <200112141349.IAA18681@mail5.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 14 Dec 2001, at 8:31, K Henderson wrote: > Um...isn't Ozzy *in* Black Sabbath? Or at least as recently as, what, > three months ago? > He kind of drops in and out with Sab. I think he did Ozzfest this year? But he just put out a solo disc--go figure... > > I think it's too late for Ozzy to 'leave' Black Sabbath and anyone > take him seriously. (And if even he didn't perform with Iommi et al., > truly 'leaving' Sabbath would require not performing any of those > songs as a solo artist, which I'm guessing will never happen.) And > I'm not sure what you mean about them now being 'acceptable.' Are you > talking 'critical (musical) acceptance' or 'off the PMRC radar screen' > acceptance? And what led to that? Ozz-fest 'hipness' factor or > something? > Nowadays, Sab are afforded sort of an elder statesman status by a lot of the rock 'journalists' who shit all over the band 30 years ago. The PMRC yahoos have, I think, lost any credibility they might have had. Collapsed over lack of interest, I think... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Dec 14 09:33:11 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <200112140750.CAA28666@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, K Henderson wrote: => Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? My mam and my sister both like Gene Pitney. He is a singer from the 50s(?) with songs such as "Town Without Pity," "24 Hours From Tulsa," and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" (which may have been used in the film of the same name, if memory serves). ob80sThread: I have a dim recollection of Marc Almond scoring a Top 10 hit with a cover of a Gene Pitney song (or it might actually have been a recording with Pitney himself). Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 14 09:48:45 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:48:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: dont limit your musical horizons, appreciate all typs of music for what they are, accept musical talent in all genres. Gene Pitney is one of the best singers of our parents time. >From: Paul Mather >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:11 -0500 > >On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, K Henderson wrote: > >=> Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? > >My mam and my sister both like Gene Pitney. He is a singer from the >50s(?) with songs such as "Town Without Pity," "24 Hours From Tulsa," >and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" (which may have been used in the >film of the same name, if memory serves). > >ob80sThread: I have a dim recollection of Marc Almond scoring a Top 10 >hit with a cover of a Gene Pitney song (or it might actually have been a >recording with Pitney himself). > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Dec 14 10:04:11 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:04:11 -0500 Subject: :):):) Message-ID: And happy birthday to you,too... you're never too old to rock & roll!! tim (48) Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. > Amazing...... > Pam > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Dec 14 10:08:06 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:08:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: Hard to remember back taht far,but i believe gene pitney wrote `blus suede shoes' tim Ted Jackson wrote: > > On 14 Dec 2001, at 2:32, K Henderson wrote: > > > > > > NOT IN: > > Black Sabbath > > > > Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? > > Some idiot who recorded a couple of cornball ballads back in the > early 60s--had about 3 or 4 'singles...' > > > Brenda Lee I don't know from Eve > > either. > > Well, she's referenced in Radar Love! Similar to Pitney, but more > durable. Had a handful of 'hits' back in rock's mezesoic era... > > And Isaac Hayes - the guy who did Shaft? Is there something > > else about Isaac Hayes that I just don't know about? Granted, I don't > > know *anything* about him *except* that. > > I've got no problem with Isaac Hayes. He's an interesting musician > and songwriter, but he belongs in the Soul or R'n'B HoF, 'cause he's > never played anything remotely like rock music... > > > > P.P.S. Question: Will Ozzy Osbourne (solo) be inducted in 2005 with > > Black Sabbath still not a member? > > > Sabbath have expressed no interest in being inducted. Ozzy is > esp. indifferent. He says that the Sabbath were so villified by the > rock press establishment, that he wants no part of them now that > the band is suddenly acceptable... > > > theo From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri Dec 14 11:34:39 2001 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:34:39 -0500 Subject: :):):) Message-ID: Pam- 40 is a great number! I just hit the same milestone last month. Happy birthday!!! :-) Dan D. -----Original Message----- From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton [SMTP:cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:19 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: :):):) Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. Amazing...... Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: ANOT IN: >Black Sabbath >Blue Oyster Cult >Deep Purple >Jethro Tull >Judas Priest >Moody Blues >Motorhead (now eligible...forget it!) >Rush >Steppenwolf >Supertramp >Traffic >Yes >(UK-specific bands, that had no shot to begin with, not included) And my favorite non-inductee, Alice Cooper, who is eligible both as a solo artist and with the original Alice Cooper group... Pitiful... :-/ - Bert From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 14 14:26:22 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:26:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: ; from ma-paharper@IOPENER.NET on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 10:08:06AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 10:08:06AM -0500, Tim wrote: > Hard to remember back taht far,but i believe gene pitney wrote `blus suede shoes' Words and music by Carl Perkins. - www.elvispresleyonline.com [a site I never imagined I'd *ever* visit] -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 14 14:29:28 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:29:28 -0500 Subject: :):):) In-Reply-To: <3C19C3EB.EA065BDC@TransWestTaxi.com>; from cwheaton@TRANSWESTTAXI.COM on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 02:18:35AM -0700 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 02:18:35AM -0700, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. > Amazing...... > Pam Happy birthday. Happy birthday. People dying, people crying, It's your birthday. Happy birthday. (sung to the tune of Song of the Volga Boatmen) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 14 14:49:49 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:49:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Quimby!, Harvey Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:09:24 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >HB (that's Harvey): I'm trying to sort something new out at the moment. >My son (Matthew) has got a little record label now, we're going to try >to do things on that. 'Cause earlier this year I was doing a few live >shows in England and we recorded those, and we're going to sort of mess >around with those...and since he's a ****? technician and so...which is - >recording and equipment...So we're going to mess about with that and put >something out on his label. > >****(some word that is unintelligable on the tape...sounds like "pro-tours" >- does anybody know what word it could be?) I would guess "Pro Tools", the industry standard DAW (digital audio workstation) software used for lots of recording and mastering these days. It would definitely be a useful software package for compiling portions of several live performances into a single piece or album. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 14 14:03:49 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:03:49 EDT Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011214131909.03c207d0@mail.apprenticeis.com> Message-ID: On 14 Dec 2001, at 13:20, Bert Edens wrote: > ANOT IN: > >Black Sabbath > >Blue Oyster Cult > >Deep Purple > >Jethro Tull > >Judas Priest > >Moody Blues > >Motorhead (now eligible...forget it!) > >Rush > >Steppenwolf > >Supertramp > >Traffic > >Yes > >(UK-specific bands, that had no shot to begin with, not included) > > And my favorite non-inductee, Alice Cooper, who is eligible both as a > solo artist and with the original Alice Cooper group... Pitiful... :-/ > And how about a huge omision: ZZ Top! This band has been together--with the same lineup, no less--continuously since 1971! And, unlike a lot of groups in the HoF, they have been successful throughout their career and are still touring [well, they were until Dusty got sick] Whatever your opinion of them, their longevity and success earns them a spot. What other band has had the same personnel unchanged for 30 years? theo From bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM Fri Dec 14 15:06:45 2001 From: bert at APPRENTICEIS.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:06:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <3C1A14D4.12948.10AA7A7@localhost> Message-ID: >And how about a huge omision: ZZ Top! This band has been >together--with the same lineup, no less--continuously since 1971! >And, unlike a lot of groups in the HoF, they have been successful >throughout their career and are still touring [well, they were until >Dusty got sick] >Whatever your opinion of them, their longevity and success earns >them a spot. What other band has had the same personnel >unchanged for 30 years? >theo While it's a moot point, I would imagine that if Freddy Mercury had not passed away, Queen would likely have the same lineup... They were going fairly strong when he died... - Bert From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 14 15:22:01 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:22:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees In-Reply-To: <3C1A14D4.12948.10AA7A7@localhost>; from tojackso@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU on Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 03:03:49PM -0400 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 03:03:49PM -0400, Ted Jackson wrote: > And how about a huge omision: ZZ Top! > [...] > Whatever your opinion of them, their longevity and success earns > them a spot. What other band has had the same personnel > unchanged for 30 years? The Cal Ripken "Band of Iron" award? :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The world has been attacked. The world must respond ... [but] we must be guided by a commitment to do what works in the long run, not by what makes us feel better in the short run. - Jean Chr?tien, Prime Minister of Canada From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 14 15:35:18 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:35:18 -0500 Subject: HW: how many is there Message-ID: Hmm ... trying to remember my state of mind when I first wrote the message two months ago ... ;^) ... On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:33:26 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Doug Pearson wrote: > >> Hawklords / 25 Years On > > I generally get pernickety about that and say, no, it's a >Hawklords record not a Hawkwind one. But there's only so far you can take >that argument of course. It's probably the only `Hawklords' record that >point of view would be at all defensible over, in fact... ... well, you could argue that Hawkwind have consistently played Hawklords songs after the fact, so by that definition it's a Hawkwind album. But that definition would then also make 'Captain Lockheed' a Hawkwind album! >> Chronicle of the Black Sword > > Hokay, why not _Live Chronicles_? It was on GWR and it's on Castle >these days, and it dosn't seem to be in the list of ones you ignored... That was 100% oversight on my account. 'Live Chronicles' should DEFINITELY count! I believe that someone pointed it out shortly after I made the original post. There would be something *seriously* wrong if I could list every Hawkwind album without forgetting at least one, somewhere along the line. >> Psychedelic Warriors / White Zone > > _Area S4_ EP here by my count. I see you leave it out deliberately >below, is that because it has no exlcusive material other than the edited >`Alien'? If so why is _Decide Your Future_ `in'? I probably left it out because 'Decide Your Future' has the exclusive track "Assassin". Also, the edited version of "Alien (I Am)" is barely distinguishable from the album cut, while the remix of "Right To Decide" on the 'Decide Your Future' EP is radically different. >> Lord of Light EP > > Do you mean the `Love in Space' single? Yes, exactly. Another mistake on my part. >> Hawkwind 1997 > > Um, is that really official? I grant you it's a band-sanctioned >release but it's not what I'd call canon myself, just because of its >special release arrangements. It's the only "official" Hawkwind live album between 'Love In Space' (1995) and 'Yule Ritual' (2000), so I'd count it for that reason (and it's technically on Hawk/Voiceprint, isn't it?). But hesitation over counting it well-understood. > 37 or 32 by my adjustments. Also... Yes, you gotta add 'Live Chronicles'. >> Not counted: >> California Brainstorm > > Now, why not that one? I know it's a one-off deal but it's not >like a boot or anything, and furthermore it's a damn good album. Dave's >guitar on that can be used to cut things... uh ... possible accusations of self-serving nepotism ;^)? *I* think it's a great album, too, especially as 1989/90 was a major high point of Hawkwind's career. It's good to consider that there's a live album between 'Palace Springs' (1989) and 'The Business Trip' (1993). >> The 1999 Party > > I'd count that too, archive release or not. And I guess therefore >I'd have to count _Atomhenge 76_ or _Thrilling Adventures_ (but not >both!). I don't know what I think about _Live 1982_ or _Complete '79_ and >I certainly wouldn't want to include _Glastonury 1990_ but _Atomhenge_ >seems to be soundboard... It could also be argued that 'The 1999 Party' and 'Atomhenge 76' fill in some very important gaps in the official live chronicles. 'Complete 79' and 'Masques 82' don't carry out that function as much, since plenty of live material from those eras was already available ('Live 79', 'Zones' side 2, stuff on Anthology/Acid Daze/etc.). Same with 'Glastonbury 90' ('Palace Springs', 'California Brainstorm', 'Live in Space 1990'). >> Did I miss any? Should anything that I didn't count, "count"? Or vice- >> versa? (My criteria for "counting": compilations don't count; various >> artists albums don't count; recordings that came out *after-the-fact* >> don't count - that's why 'This is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic' & 'Out & >> Intake' do count, but 'The 1999 Party' & the 'Hawkwind Zoo' EP don't; >> EP's with new, non-album material, count; stuff that's *just* remixes >> doesn't count ... I think that explains everything.) > > I couldn't apply such criteria wthout making exceptions, as you >see :-) But I think _Live Chronicles_ and _California Brainstorm_ (how far >after the fact? It was only a year... ) should be in there, I'll concur on those two. I guess that makes the total 38, then? >and either _Area S4_ should be or _Decide Your Future_ shouldn't. I made my case, but yours is equally valid. >The rest I'll >accept is my personal view, and go get some more tea while Keith >H. decides how he's going to point out the delay between reality and my >mails this time :-) There are many realities to be found around this mailing list, that's for sure ... ;^) ... -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Dec 14 15:43:21 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:43:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: In defence of Gene Pitney, he was a great crooner in that 50's/60's style that I can perfectly well understand people on this list not liking :-) Best song was "Town Without Pity" which had a terrific melody, very unexpected if you know what I mean by that. Ronnie Montrose did an instrumental cover of Town Without Pity on his "Open Fire" album in 1978- ish. Lead guitar where Pitney's vocals were on the original. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:11 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, K Henderson wrote: > >=> Who the *hell* is Gene Pitney? > >My mam and my sister both like Gene Pitney. He is a singer from the >50s(?) with songs such as "Town Without Pity," "24 Hours From Tulsa," >and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" (which may have been used in the >film of the same name, if memory serves). > >ob80sThread: I have a dim recollection of Marc Almond scoring a Top 10 >hit with a cover of a Gene Pitney song (or it might actually have been a >recording with Pitney himself). > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 14 17:48:07 2001 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:48:07 EST Subject: :):):) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/01 4:16:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM writes: > Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. > Amazing...... > Happy Birfday to ya!! Remember, Elvis kakked at 42, so BE CAREFUL! Joe From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Fri Dec 14 18:11:16 2001 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:11:16 -0000 Subject: HW Strangewind Message-ID: Rizz did an (awful) Space Is Deep, and Wheels (which develops out of a lengthy improv called "Control" on the Starfire Mountain Dreaming boot). Jerry does a good job on Spirit Of The Age and is decent on Assault & Battery and Golden Void and Brainstorm with lots of Rizz ranting as well. It's Rizz and Richard on Starfire Mountain Dreaming. J Stanton From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Fri Dec 14 23:55:30 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:55:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock Guitar info wanted Message-ID: Doug and Mick, thank you. I have updated the relevant page of my site (http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/gtrstuff.html) and your names liveth for evermore in cyberspace! Steve From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 15 01:33:55 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:33:55 EST Subject: OFF: This year's RnRHoF inductees Message-ID: ....Gene Pitney! Worth his weight in (ugh) Supertramps! L'menexe "<>" From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Dec 15 03:52:08 2001 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:52:08 -0700 Subject: :):):) Message-ID: I'm wayyyyy tooo ornery for that. I'm gonna be around a long time just to cause a major amount of trouble. Someone's gotta liven up this world! Besides, my mind still thinks I'm 25 or so. Gets me in trouble. The mind says yeah, the body argues back with "you want to do what??????? Ya gotta be kidding me!!!!!!" It's sure fun trying to convince the body otherwise:) Pam Joe Loehr wrote: > In a message dated 12/14/01 4:16:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM writes: > > > Happy Birthday to me!!!! I guess I can say I made it to 40. > > Amazing...... > > > > Happy Birfday to ya!! > Remember, Elvis kakked at 42, so BE CAREFUL! > > Joe -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi Folks I am still looking for the following shows on CD-R or tape: Edinburgh, 13.11.2001 Torquay, 20.11.2001 Dublin, 26.11.2001 If someone is out there who has got one of these recordings please let me know. I am sure that we can work out a trade Thanks Bernhard From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 15 12:16:44 2001 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:16:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: OK, before anyone gets too steamed up, I have it on extremely good authority that your messages have been heard and that this CD WILL be available for passport holders too. It hasn't even been recorded yet, and it will be, as Kevin said, 'solo things by individuals'. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! > Not that it matters that much, but the impression I got was that it won't be > a Hawkwind track, but solo things by the named individuals. ??? > > KevinSommers > Cogito ergo sum, I think... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Jill Strobridge > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:12 PM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kenneth Magnusson > > > > > Hahaha ! > > > > > > This will be interesting, collectors from all over the world will get > > > tickets but will not be able to attend and thus HW will play before a > > > sold out but empty hall...btw, any chance of Swedish gigs ? > > > > This may not be entirely humorous. I don't know how big the Forum is > > or how many people genuinely want to have a > > brand-new-live-unheard-before Hawkwind track (and there may be quite a > > few) but it occurred to me that it would be a real shame if the venue > > sold out and there were no tickets left for folk who turned up on the > > night hoping to get a ticket at the door. > > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sat Dec 15 12:18:24 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:18:24 EST Subject: HW:Hawkestra Message-ID: Hi everyone I'm desperate to get a copy of the Hawkestra Brixton live CD-R ....I missed out on the tree because my Hard drive crashed at the time...Anyone out there got a copy....Will exchange stuff, though probably not got a lot you havent got already. Please, please somebody find me a copy !!! Thanx From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 15 12:49:11 2001 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:49:11 EST Subject: HW: OFF: Quimby!, Harvey Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/01 1:28:15 AM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << ****(some word that is unintelligable on the tape...sounds like "pro-tours" - does anybody know what word it could be?) >> Pro-tools is an audio editing and mixing workstation system From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 15 08:00:36 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:00:36 -0000 Subject: off - Neu/Faust Message-ID: Must admit, while 'Hallogallo' is their best track, I always preferred 'Neu '75' as a complete album, for the mix of sheer power and dynamics. Brock did the sleeve notes on the back of the original first LP and when I interviewed him way back he always said how much he rated this album. On the subjectof Krautrock - anyone else heard the new Faust Ravivando Remixes EP - it's just AWESOME!!! The remixes are done by two guys, one being Dave Ball of SoftCell, but don't let that put you off, because the music is just mighty stuff, sort of vintage New Order gone industrial with Krautrock leanings only all instrumental - you just gotta pick this one up, folks. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Ogilvy" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: HW:Ghostdance > That said, however Hallogallo is one mother of a track !! Very HW feel to it > (atmosphere wise anyway) in my opinion !! Highly reccomended ! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 15 08:16:42 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:16:42 -0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Harvey B. Message-ID: Yes they are CD-R's and if anyone wants them I think we have five Harvey's and seven Alman-Mulo's left here at CDS Towers. So far, no complaints although if they don't play in your machine, then of course we take them back. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:46 AM Subject: Re: HW: OFF: Quimby! > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, K Henderson wrote: > Alman Mulo's Afrodiziac (which I believe has > > been OOP for over a decade) and Harvey's more recent solo effort 'Red > > Shift' (which I didn't look at, but I assume it was also a S-T CDR?, unless > > Harvey had his own stash of Taste issues which I rather doubt). From coral at APORT.RU Sat Dec 15 16:58:16 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:58:16 +0300 Subject: HW Members on TotalRock Message-ID: > > ++ STAR WARRIORS - New mission orders > > Please visit Mission Contol for data input > re: Simon House / Dave Brock on TotalRock Radio > on this coming Saturday. . . . . . Hello! This event will happen today? Anyone knows the time of their appearance? Alisa From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Dec 15 17:20:46 2001 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:20:46 -0600 Subject: HW Members on TotalRock Message-ID: It's supposed to be between midnight and 2Am uk time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: HW Members on TotalRock > > > > ++ STAR WARRIORS - New mission orders > > > > Please visit Mission Contol for data input > > re: Simon House / Dave Brock on TotalRock Radio > > on this coming Saturday. . . . . . > > Hello! > > This event will happen today? Anyone knows the time of their appearance? > > Alisa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Dec 15 18:34:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:34:07 -0600 Subject: off - Neu/Faust In-Reply-To: <032f01c1859b$72e4b1e0$a58bbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: <> Hi Andy.....it is actually the first NEU LP that Brock did the liner notes to,and they exist only on the UK edition.........since you are a friend, I know you won't mind my saying that I LOVE that 1st LP, and consider it my favorite LP next to Hawkwind music (i don't know LOTS of stuff like some here do) (but suspect strongly this opinion can't be swayed for music in that period)....anyway....the first and second Neu Lp are FANTASTIC and I don't care if the second one was rushed and resulted in just playing with speed changes of already existing stuff....it is great (god I wish I'd have kept that 45 single)....anyway....I notice that lots of people rate the last "75" one,,.,,,but I am bored by it.....not even the same spirit to me,,,,,,sounds like "watered down" "commercialized mellowed" NEU (for lack of a way to put it) been a long time since I played it though, and the record store here closed shop before I could pick up the latest issue, and when it gets unlocked from the trailer it is in, I'll try again for the 50th time or so..... cheers m From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Dec 15 20:56:47 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:56:47 -0600 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see you did state the first LP as having the Brock liners.... so...are these new editions (now not new) an improvement to the original "bootleg" cd's or Korean Lp reissues and whatever other form they have taken in more modern times? (any differences in the music or lengths, etc?) m have Alan/Ali Davey/ Bedouin reviews been done??? if not how about some..??? does he support the USA attack??? (wonders privately to self) From benfagin at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK Sat Dec 15 20:03:20 2001 From: benfagin at BLUEYONDER.CO.UK (Ben) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:03:20 -0500 Subject: Moorcock Books 4 Sale Message-ID: I have a list of all the Moorcock Books for sale here: http://www.geocities.com/bfagin2002/moorcock.html Cheers Ben From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Dec 15 21:32:47 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:32:47 -0600 Subject: Dave Brock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: dear Dave..... I just saw a post about the Memos and Demos and (possibly) a track about a letting go of a loved pet or similar I am going into the music room.....(tribute to person who posted this- makes me want to play that CD- drink problems into back-brain) I am going to have some fun......tonight I don't care.....I haven't been put to death yet and beer is available and I think there is a rolling paper left in the pack........ we had a direct to ground lightning strike 2 days ago which was out of nowhere with no other thunder rumblings and it scared us to death and we thought it was a plane crash or a bomb....it made the news....seemed like it was aimed at me........maybe it was really a sonic boom from a vehicle of unknown origin.,.. turns out it shook people for miles around time to rock m ps- I have been sick and I have axed myself off Ebay and this is not the beginning of days full of yack and people that I owe please give me this season to get it right please allow me to 2003 before I get offed- it'll take a while to completely clean house From jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM Sat Dec 15 21:07:49 2001 From: jkranitz at AURAL-INNOVATIONS.COM (Jerry Kranitz) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:07:49 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations Radio: New Space Rock show Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com Announcement (December 15, 2001): We've just a new show from Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio. See the playlist below. Stay tuned next week for new shows from Alchemical Radio and the Kozmik Ken Experience. Also watch for a new issue of Aural Innovations to be online in the second half of January 2002. We begin our FIFTH year of publication!!! Be sure and check out our online mail order catalog for all kinds of space rock and related CDs. The new DarXtar CD, Tombola, has been released by Record Heaven. When I asked them about availability they told me that noone in the US is yet carrying it. So I've got a batch on the way. Email me if you'd like to reserve a copy. http://www.aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html Aural Innovations Space Rock Radio (Show #40) DarXtar - "Travel Fast Nowhere" (from Daybreak) Schr?dinger's Cat - "Empty Worlds" (from Music To Wake The Death) Margoo - "How To Use The Bathroom In Space (from Eh?) Scott Mosher - "The Dreaming Eye" (from Virtuality) When - "Flower Jam" (from The Lobster Boys) Automatic Music - "The Anvil Approach" (from Spiffy) Baby Woodrose - "Baby Blows Your Mind" (from Blows Your Mind!) Psychatrone Rhonedakk - "Theme from Acid Mother Lovers" (from Keep On Psychedelic Mind!) Dahlia - "Live In Light" (from Emotion Cycles) Billy Syndrome - "Dancing Walls Vibrating Precedingly" (from 2000 Pounds Of Joy) Cobweb Strange - "It's Alright" (from s/t) National Forest - "Soda Lake" (from Soda Lake) St. Ride - "Area X" (from St. Ride) So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. From markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Dec 16 04:00:07 2001 From: markcotton22 at HOTMAIL.COM (mark cotton) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:00:07 +0000 Subject: HW:Hawkestra Message-ID: If anybody could do me a copy too, I'd be most grateful.... >From: Al Ogilvy >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: HW:Hawkestra >Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:18:24 EST > > Hi everyone > I'm desperate to get a copy of the Hawkestra Brixton live CD-R ....I >missed >out on the tree because my Hard drive crashed at the time...Anyone out >there >got a copy....Will exchange stuff, though probably not got a lot you havent >got already. > Please, please somebody find me a copy !!! > Thanx _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Dec 16 05:57:25 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 10:57:25 -0000 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? Message-ID: I take it you mean the CD reissues - basically from comparing our notes, the history is that the first three Neu albums came out on vinyl for whihc Dave Brock did the sleeve notes on the back of the UK issue of the first album. Theyw ere then issued on CD as counterfeits on Germanofon taken from vinyl pressings but without the Brock sleeve notes and are now available on CD on EMI from original masters, although not having bought these myself yet, I haven't checked to see if his sleeve bit has been restored. As to Bedouin 'As Above' and Alan Davey' Final Call', the reviews for these in full have appeared on the last two or three CD Services supplement catalogues so if you don't have one, send your address and let me know, OK. As to the USA attack, ask Alan. OK? Have fun and all that, Andy G ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike c" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:56 AM Subject: Re: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? > I see you did state the first LP as having the Brock liners.... > > so...are these new editions (now not new) an improvement to the original > "bootleg" cd's or Korean Lp reissues and whatever other form they have > taken in more modern times? (any differences in the music or lengths, etc?) > > m > > have Alan/Ali Davey/ Bedouin reviews been done??? if not how about some..??? > > does he support the USA attack??? (wonders privately to self) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Dec 16 15:52:14 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:52:14 EST Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/01 2:56:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > Theyw ere then issued on CD as counterfeits on Germanofon taken from vinyl > pressings but without the Brock sleeve notes and are now available on CD on > EMI from original masters, although not having bought these myself yet, I > haven't checked to see if his sleeve bit has been restored. I'm pretty sure there's no Brock notes on the US (Astralwerks) edition. The wrappings have stickers w/quotes from B.Eno (of course), and bands like Radiohead, etc. Hip college DJ's (well, most... :) wouldn't have recognized the name Brock/HW, so they didn't bother... Chuck From cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL Sun Dec 16 15:56:21 2001 From: cosmos1 at WANADOO.NL (Andre Denis) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:56:21 +0100 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? In-Reply-To: <82.14dcf432.294e637e@aol.com> Message-ID: At 15:52 16-12-01 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/16/01 2:56:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, >andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > Theyw ere then issued on CD as counterfeits on Germanofon taken from vinyl > > pressings but without the Brock sleeve notes and are now available on > CD on > > EMI from original masters, although not having bought these myself yet, I > > haven't checked to see if his sleeve bit has been restored. > >I'm pretty sure there's no Brock notes on the US (Astralwerks) edition. The >wrappings have stickers w/quotes from B.Eno (of course), and bands like >Radiohead, etc. Hip college DJ's (well, most... :) wouldn't have recognized >the name Brock/HW, so they didn't bother... Chuck very funny about the brock notes. because told me some years ago when i showed and asked him about this when he visited me here, that he never had seen this and definitively didn't write them himself. so a good trick to sell a album ?????? andre From als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK Sun Dec 16 16:39:23 2001 From: als at POSTMASTER.CO.UK (Alastair Lee Sumner) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:39:23 -0500 Subject: off - Neu/Faust Message-ID: When Faust played the Royal Festival Hall not long ago Dave Ball came on stage at the end to join them for the last song. That was one of the best bits of the show for me. It was like Faust but with a fast electronic/drum and bass style rythmn. Next CD I get is defo going to be those remixes. Cheers for letting me know. Alastair. On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:00:36 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >On the subjectof Krautrock - anyone else heard the new Faust Ravivando >Remixes EP - it's just AWESOME!!! The remixes are done by two guys, one >being Dave Ball of SoftCell, but don't let that put you off, because the >music is just mighty stuff, sort of vintage New Order gone industrial with >Krautrock leanings only all instrumental - you just gotta pick this one up, >folks. >Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Dec 16 17:30:52 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:30:52 -0000 Subject: off - Neu/Faust Message-ID: at the risk of the hard sell, the EP is now in stock here at CDS Towers if you are close enough, ie, inside UK, and want it for Xmas. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alastair Lee Sumner" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: off - Neu/Faust > When Faust played the Royal Festival Hall not long ago Dave Ball came on > stage at the end to join them for the last song. That was one of the best > bits of the show for me. It was like Faust but with a fast electronic/drum > and bass style rythmn. Next CD I get is defo going to be those remixes. > Cheers for letting me know. > > Alastair. > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Dec 16 17:31:49 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:31:49 -0000 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? Message-ID: didn't know that one - oh well, maybe DB can enlighten us if time allows...... Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Denis" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: Re: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? > At 15:52 16-12-01 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/16/01 2:56:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > > > Theyw ere then issued on CD as counterfeits on Germanofon taken from vinyl > > > pressings but without the Brock sleeve notes and are now available on > > CD on > > > EMI from original masters, although not having bought these myself yet, I > > > haven't checked to see if his sleeve bit has been restored. > > > >I'm pretty sure there's no Brock notes on the US (Astralwerks) edition. The > >wrappings have stickers w/quotes from B.Eno (of course), and bands like > >Radiohead, etc. Hip college DJ's (well, most... :) wouldn't have recognized > >the name Brock/HW, so they didn't bother... Chuck > > very funny about the brock notes. > because told me some years ago when i showed and asked him about this when > he visited > me here, that he never had seen this and definitively didn't write them > himself. > so a good trick to sell a album ?????? > > andre From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Sun Dec 16 19:05:34 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:05:34 -0500 Subject: off - Neu/Faust Message-ID: ?? Is that the Dave Ball from ca.69-70 `Big Bertha' ?? tim Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: > > When Faust played the Royal Festival Hall not long ago Dave Ball came on > stage at the end to join them for the last song. That was one of the best > bits of the show for me. It was like Faust but with a fast electronic/drum > and bass style rythmn. Next CD I get is defo going to be those remixes. > Cheers for letting me know. > > Alastair. > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:00:36 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI > wrote: > > >On the subjectof Krautrock - anyone else heard the new Faust Ravivando > >Remixes EP - it's just AWESOME!!! The remixes are done by two guys, one > >being Dave Ball of SoftCell, but don't let that put you off, because the > >music is just mighty stuff, sort of vintage New Order gone industrial with > >Krautrock leanings only all instrumental - you just gotta pick this one up, > >folks. > >Andy G. From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM Sun Dec 16 20:10:32 2001 From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: MP3 editing software Message-ID: From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Can anyone recommend software (preferably freeware or shareware) that allows > the user to edit mp3 files (as in, make them shorter then the whole song!). > WinAmp doesn't seem to do that, nor RealJukebox... bummer. Check out http://mp3cutter.cjb.net/ . Jerry From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 16 21:40:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:40:04 -0600 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ sorry Andy/ Ali D.reviews? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I "threw up": <<"does he support the USA attack??? (wonders privately to self)">> (regarding Ali D.) it was my sense of humor.....I don't put flags on my vehicles......sorry if I dissapoint,,,,,,,of course I don't think Ali liked the attacks.....in all honesty, *if* I was of different nationality, I might have snickered at the loss of cement and mortar, and found the destruction "beautiful" in some strange light,,,,but CERTAINLY CERTAINLY not the loss of life...(exhale) I don't LOVE any Country... I love individuals....and very few of those (all of you included of course),,,Hawkwind people make the season to be jolly the truth (exhale) mike From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Dec 17 00:21:45 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:21:45 -0600 Subject: off - Neu/Faust/ In-Reply-To: <003401c18620$72dc4c00$ba97bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: <> Yes.....I tend to mix vinyl and CD but was referring to the latest CD releases....I don't expect to see the Brock liner notes again (other than on the UK vinyl) as this was a foreign issue and the "original" German form doesn't have them....so I would expect that a "proper" issue of this music in keeping with forementioned fact would not include it....and if what someone said about the Brock notes being a sham this is a dissappointment ...... had fun but not "all that"- vagrant near-homeless perty-crasher got a couple of the morning brews and made the tobaccos run out..... thanks Andy.....apologies for beating this dead horse but I just wanted to create a ripple as it's my nature and you are now returned to the Batmobile ..(they had to reduce the bulge in Robin's pants you know..apparently it was a real concern back then) I'll phone next time scuuuse me!! merry christams m From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Mon Dec 17 00:00:45 2001 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:00:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Announcing MK Message-ID: Hi all, I am quite excited to make this annoucement, since it's been in the works for years... A friend of mine has just (finally) released his first CD. I guess you could call it pop-rock, for lack of a better term. Though its closer to 70's pop-rock, really, then to stuff you might hear nowadays on the radio. And, the bonus is: I wrote the lyrics :-) So! The official site is up, and the CD is available for purchase. There are some audio samples on there, and the lyrics are also online. Check it out! http://mk.xrs.net/ Hope you like it. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] http://www.freelists.org/list/mv [mailing-list] Progressive rock : prog.xrs.net / rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 17 00:14:41 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:14:41 -0500 Subject: off: - Neu/Faust, Dave Ball Message-ID: Tim asked... >?? Is that the Dave Ball from ca.69-70 `Big Bertha' ?? >tim and both Ace Kefford and Bedlam with brother Dennis and Cozy Powell? Grakkl (FAA) >Alastair Lee Sumner wrote: > > > > When Faust played the Royal Festival Hall not long ago Dave Ball came on > > stage at the end to join them for the last song. That was one of the best > > bits of the show for me. It was like Faust but with a fast electronic/drum > > and bass style rythmn. Next CD I get is defo going to be those remixes. > > Cheers for letting me know. From sjyoules at VISTO.COM Mon Dec 17 03:40:25 2001 From: sjyoules at VISTO.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 03:40:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Starfarer's Hawkwind Page Message-ID: Hi Shameless self-publicity time again. Starfarer's Hawkwind Page now has a 2nd page of T-shirt designs, which you can access directly at: http://www.geocities.com/sjyoules/tshirt2.html This page has 16 new designs, making a total of 24 available. Have fun. Steve From email at ANDYGILHAM.COM Mon Dec 17 06:39:45 2001 From: email at ANDYGILHAM.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:39:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Stuff for sale Message-ID: Clearing out some old stuff - www.andygilham.com/sale.html - a few possibly tasty items which weren't in my sale earlier this year, such as some ancient copies of HAWKFAN and the two HAWKLORDS books, as well as some CDs from the 1990s. Have a look at the page and if interested mail me on sale at andygilham.com . -- Andy From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 17 06:33:19 2001 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:33:19 -0000 Subject: YULE RITUAL Message-ID: Copies of Yule Ritual spotted for sale in two stores in Munich this past weekend. GARY From iainferguson at AOL.COM Mon Dec 17 07:25:46 2001 From: iainferguson at AOL.COM (iain ferguson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:25:46 +0000 Subject: YULE RITUAL Message-ID: HAHA, I was in germany last week and saw huge selection of hawkwind CD's in WOM ( world of Music) in Hamburg. I was really suprised to see all the Wierd cd's for sale. Regards iain Cerberus wrote: > Copies of Yule Ritual spotted for sale in two stores in Munich this past weekend. > > GARY From stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK Mon Dec 17 07:39:23 2001 From: stuart.hamilton at SCOTTISH.PARLIAMENT.UK (Z E Itgeist) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:39:23 -0500 Subject: Cheap HW tickets anyone? Message-ID: "Thank you for your entry for the Hawkwind Concert Tickets. The correct answer was "EARTHED TO GROUND". Unfortunately, you have not won this competition, BUT as a special commiseration for taking part in this competition we are offering to you the chance to buy up to 2 tickets for the reduced price of only ?10.00!!!! Not only this, but everyone attending the concert will receive a free Limited edition Hawkwind CD!!! If you are interested in this offer please reply to this e-mail with your full name, address and credit card details or call 0191 5121103 and ask for Hawkwind Ticket Sales. Please quote ref: HX01 This offer is only available by purchasing your tickets from Voiceprint Group." From colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 17 10:18:07 2001 From: colin_w at HOTMAIL.COM (Col) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:18:07 -0500 Subject: hw cheap tickets... too late Message-ID: I didn't even know tickets were available thru voiceprint until my overpriced ticket had arrived. Imagine my surprise then when an "invitation" to the xmas party arrived from voiceprint late last week (less than a week before the gig??). Imagine my delight to discover that I could pay less at the door than I did to ticketmaster for my ticket (total ?19.55 including *handling* fee)... (by following the info on mission control site...) not sure *organisation* is one of voiceprint's / hw's strengths right now. still its not like a trip to london adds up to much... ticket, train fare, hotel... ;o) bitter, me ? Col From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 17 12:31:50 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:31:50 EST Subject: YULE RITUAL Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/01 11:40:33 AM GMT Standard Time, cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > Copies of Yule Ritual spotted for sale in two stores in Munich this past > weekend. > I saw it in a shop in Preston, England today. Steve. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 17 09:14:31 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:14:31 -0000 Subject: Fw: Hawkwind Xmas Competition Message-ID: Hi, Voiceprint just e-mailed to say that I hadn't won the Brock solo competition, "BUT as a special commiseration for taking part in this competition we are offering to you the chance to buy up to 2 tickets for the reduced price of only ?10.00!!!! Not only this, but everyone attending the concert will receive a free Limited edition Hawkwind CD!!!" Rather generous I thought. Jez From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 17 14:08:17 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:08:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Xmas Competition Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Jez Dacombe To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Fw: Hawkwind Xmas Competition > Hi, > Voiceprint just e-mailed to say that I hadn't won the Brock solo > competition, > > "BUT as a special > commiseration for taking part in this competition we are offering to > you the chance to buy up to 2 tickets for the reduced price of only > ?10.00!!!! Not only this, but everyone attending the concert will > receive a free Limited edition Hawkwind CD!!!" > > Rather generous I thought. > > Jez > > > > > > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Dec 17 14:15:21 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:15:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: MP3 editing software Message-ID: Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I've been looking for something like this too. Karen Subject: Re: OFF: MP3 editing software Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:32 -0500 From: Jerry Guizar From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Can anyone recommend software (preferably freeware or shareware) that allows > the user to edit mp3 files (as in, make them shorter then the whole song!). > WinAmp doesn't seem to do that, nor RealJukebox... bummer. Check out http://mp3cutter.cjb.net/ . Jerry From youless at LVCM.COM Tue Dec 18 02:21:15 2001 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:21:15 -0500 Subject: test please ignore Message-ID: test From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 12:11:41 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:11:41 -0500 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: Couldn't go. Boo hoo hoo. How was it? From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Dec 18 12:16:26 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:16:26 -0000 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: Apart from the first band (Akira - avoid at all costs), it was an excellent evening. First time I've seen ICU live (despite having their albums and assorted tracks) and they rocked - much better live than on CD/vinyl IMHO. Steve: what's this that Nik said about ICU at Dingwalls soon? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig > Couldn't go. Boo hoo hoo. How was it? > From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Tue Dec 18 12:54:13 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:54:13 -0500 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: I would love to be able to tell you mate. Half a dozen of us traveled down from Harlow and elsewhere, ariving a few minutes past 9 to be smugly told by a no-necked doorman of questionable parentage that the box office had closed early due to the lack of punters and we would not be admitted despite the place being FAR from full. As we were leaving other prospective punters ariving were being given the same story. Nine o'clock in the West End! If we'd known it was a matinee performance we'd have bought the kids along. LA2 as a venue - B****cks. They should be sued. Between us we spent over ?100 on transport to end up in a pub up the road. Thoroughly Peed Off Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 13:59:29 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:59:29 +0000 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig In-Reply-To: <200112181754.MAA00891@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:54:13 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Thoroughly Peed Off So am I mate.. I wish I'd known this was going on as I would have done something about it, they must have waited until we were onstage (& therefore out of control ... I was hovering around the box office most of the night counting people in..) and then decided they couldn`t be arsed.. C**ts. As it was we were about 40 people short of breaking even.. so to have heard your story from 2 sources now I`m thoroughly pissed off & am writing to the venue to express that in no uncertain terms. I can`t apologise enough Dave, you plus 6 can come to the next few ICU gigs on me totally gratis. -Steve From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 14:18:17 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:18:17 +0000 Subject: NIK: ICU's response to the Mean Fiddler re. early closing. Message-ID: I thought you'd be interested in what I wrote to the Mean Fiddler re. last nights early box office closing, here it is in full: Hi Chris, I was just sitting down to write a thank you email for making last nights gig as painless as it could be when the "other" emails started pouring in.. It seems the box office was closed at 9pm and anyone arriving after that time was told in no uncertain terms to F980 off.. I know of at least 10 people that were turned away like this, these were the ones that know my email address.. I wonder how many others there are? It looks like we reached the cost of the venue & you stopped caring.. thanks for that. As you know I was prepared to take a financial bath on this gig just so that people who had planned to see us at the aborted Dingwalls show would still get to see us even if they went to Camden & had to be re-directed.. this should have been a clue that their might have been some late arrivals. The whole point of this gig was to avoid having to deal with irate fans who've travelled miles & then found we wern`t playing, and your organisation has managed to cock that little idealist dream up hasn't it. I know you can say that it`s wrong to charge people ?8/?9 for 50 minutes entertainment, but that should be their choice, not yours. Suffice to say that's left a rotten taste in my mouth after what was a fun evening despite being a financial disaster, and all your talk about things being done "for the music" etc etc sounds very hollow now... Yours, still disillusioned with everything & everyone in the so called "entertainment" industry, -Steve Pond. Once again I can`t apologise enough to anyone that travelled & didn`t get in, that pisses me off more than the ?X00 the night lost me financially. -S. From dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET Tue Dec 18 14:56:19 2001 From: dave at CRAZY-DAVE.NET (Dave Briggs) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:56:19 -0500 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:59:29 +0000, Steve Pond wrote: >I can`t apologise enough Dave Ain't your fault mate - The guy at the Mean Fiddler (what an apt name) made it clear it was a management decision and nothing to do with the band. As far as being charged ?8 for an hours Rip roaring, brain jarring "Mentaltainment" I feel it's well worth it and MY decision, not for some jumped up over officious twat to make. Considering I drunk my way through ?8 in the poxy pub we ended up in I know where I'd rather have spent my cash. >and all your talk about things being done "for the music" MAN! You believed them? - Wake Up! Wake Up! :-) Anyway - glad the folks that got in got a good show catch you next time Dave - Silver Machine Webmaster P.S. Suprised Trev hasn't had anything to say on the matter ;-) From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 15:08:18 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:08:18 +0000 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig In-Reply-To: <200112181956.OAA01396@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:56:19 -0500, you sent through the ether: >P.S. Suprised Trev hasn't had anything to say on the matter ;-) We made no money, he's walking home, prolly be back in Brighton.. what? Saturday? -S. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Dec 18 14:46:23 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:46:23 -0000 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: Sorry you lost out on last night's gig Steve, I had a great time. I know how disappointing it can be when hard work put into a gig gets derailed by the (lack of?) efforts of others. Can't say I was impressed with either David Devant or Akira but ICU more than made up for it. Much tighter than the Astoria - cracking fun. Don't get too disheartened I, and others I'm sure, would like to see more ICU gigs in the not too distant future. And nice bumping into Trev on the tube home too. Cheers again, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Pond" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Re: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:54:13 -0500, you sent through the ether: > > >Thoroughly Peed Off > > > So am I mate.. I wish I'd known this was going on as I would have done > something about it, they must have waited until we were onstage (& therefore > out of control ... I was hovering around the box office most of the night > counting people in..) and then decided they couldn`t be arsed.. C**ts. > > As it was we were about 40 people short of breaking even.. so to have heard > your story from 2 sources now I`m thoroughly pissed off & am writing to the > venue to express that in no uncertain terms. > > I can`t apologise enough Dave, you plus 6 can come to the next few ICU gigs on > me totally gratis. > > -Steve From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 17:25:42 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:25:42 +0000 Subject: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig In-Reply-To: <000f01c187fc$ad1a12c0$33e8fc3e@yourpnqspyopyu> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:46:23 -0000, you sent through the ether: Cheers Nick, we're bound to do more gigs.. too much fun not to really.. and on the Devant list they`re all complaining about how bad we are.. hehe.. kids, what do they know... >And nice bumping into Trev on the tube home too. Did he try & sell you a T shirt? -S. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Dec 18 19:01:37 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:01:37 -0000 Subject: HW: NIK: ICU Xmas gig Message-ID: Steve, What's the likelyhood of non-London ICU gigs in the foreseeable future? Midlands specifically. Unfortunately all the places I've seen ICU in Brum are now no more (no coincidence, surely!). Golden Eagle (80), Imperial Hotel (85 & 86), & Mermaid (Max Effect 86?). Well done chaps! Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Pond To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: NIK: OFF: ICU Xmas gig > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:46:23 -0000, you sent through the ether: > > > Cheers Nick, we're bound to do more gigs.. too much fun not to really.. and on > the Devant list they`re all complaining about how bad we are.. hehe.. kids, > what do they know... > > > >And nice bumping into Trev on the tube home too. > > Did he try & sell you a T shirt? > > -S. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed Dec 19 03:55:28 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:55:28 +0000 Subject: HW: NIK: ICU Xmas gig In-Reply-To: <00b301c18820$a6d39660$6916883e@jezd> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:01:37 -0000, you sent through the ether: >What's the likelyhood of non-London ICU gigs in the foreseeable future? I really have no idea, we'd do a small tour if we could get one booked that wouldn't bankrupt us.. watch this space is all I can say really... -S. From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 19 13:54:03 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:54:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour review Message-ID: Hello folks Both lists seem to be very quiet at the moment. Therefore I decided to write (again) a short tour review I hope it is a little bit usefull for you At 1st I'd like to thank my friends in the UK for sending me those great recordings in that phantastic sound quality. THANKS! Though I could not make it to this tour I have the luck to be in possession of the following recordings: Swindon Wyvern Theatre 03.11.2001 Sat 100min Leeds Irish Centre 06.11.2001 Tue 100min Nottingham Rock City 07.11.2001 Wed 100min Birmingham Sanctuary 08.11.2001 Thu 90min Manchester University 10.11.2001 Sat 95min Glasgow Garage 12.11.2001 Mon 90min Newcastle Opera House 14.11.2001 Sun 100min Cardif Coal Exchange 16.11.2001 Fri 25min Hitchin Town Hall 17.11.2001 Sat 100min Poole Arts Centre 18.11.2001 Sun 100min Walthamstow Assembly Hall 24.11.2001 Sat 105min Main lineup: Dave Brock Huw Lloyd Langton Alan Davey Richard Chadwick Simon House Guests: Captain Black Captain Rizz Track listing: lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / brainbox pollution / wind of change / angels of death / watcher / motorway city / hurry on sundown / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / ejection In Birmingham they could not play EJECTION and in Edinburgh the played SPIRIT OF THE AGE instead of EJECTION (if I am wrong please let me know !) I have to say that it was one of HAWKWINDs best ever tours!!! I put this tour on the same high level as the ASTOUNDING 76 tour and the USA 1989 tour !!!! I never heard the band play so perfect. My feeling is that the main lineup fits very good together. Unfortunately Captain Black could not do the same great job as he did in CANTERBURY (my absolute favorite Hawkwind gig) Here are now some comments about the musicians. Dave Brock: The main HAWKWIND engine. He keeps the motors running. I can not imagine HAWKWIND without him. Great job Dave!! Thanks for collecting all these great musicians to our favorite band called HAWKWIND and play such a mindblowing tour!!!!!!!!!! Huw Lloyd Langton: The tour of his live!!! He played like he never played before. I always thought that he did his best job during the CHRONICLE tour. No! This was his tour. PHANTASTIC Huwie!! Richard Chadwick: The rhythm-machine in the background. HAWKWINDs best drummer!!! He has the right feeling for this kind of great music!!! YES! Simon House: I never thought that Simon and Huwie could play at the same time on the same stage. They did it and it was SUPERB! Simons violine and Huwies guitar. WOW!! Simon, please stay with the band. You played great! And you played so PHANTASTIC on my favorite track of this tour! Alan Davey: Welcome back Alan. I am very happy that you are again with HAWKWIND. Great job during this tour. Very good WATCHER version. Thanks. I like your bass style Captain Black: Great synthie player but unfortunately mixed down during the tour. You played the gig of your live in CANTERBURY !! I can not get enough of your playing at this festival. Captan Rizz: We do not need him Now to the gigs: Its very difficult to decide which was the best the worst gig because the band did only play great gigs But after listening about 5 or 6 times to each of these 11 gigs (unfortunately Cardiff only 25 minutes long) I have to say that NEWCASTLE was the best gig from this tour. The 2nd best is LEEDS and then POOLE. At the end is WALTHAMSTOW. It was not a bad gig!! If I had only this one it would still be a great gig but I had the chance to compare and I had to make some ratings NEWCATLE was exceptional. Best LIGHTHOUSE version (very different to the other gigs !!!!) and best WIND OF CHANGE version. Unfortunately only a 7 minutes ANGELS OF DEATH version. Usually they played this song about 12 minutes long. The band had lot of fun during this gig! Now to the songs: The best ones are: WIND OF CHANGE, ANGELS OF DEATH, BRAINBOX POLLUTION and LEVITATION. Yes, and MOTORWAY CITY in Newcastle!! WIND OF CHANGE is awesome!!!! I am looking forward to get a video from this tour and watch performing this song together with the lightshow and the dancer OK. Thats it folks. Thanks for reading my review. But maybe it is usefull for some of you. Sorry if I shoud have written in bad English cheers Bernhard From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 19 14:30:47 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:30:47 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour review Message-ID: Cheers for the review Bernhard. I've been meaning to put some thoughts down myself. Of the shows I got to Manchester was probably my favourite, partly due to not having to drive to that one, or Liverpool. Brainbox Pollution was probably my favourite song of the tour. Along with Its So Easy it was one of the songs I'd been hoping to hear for a while. Huw was certainly on top form all tour, even when struggling with 'flu. Funny how Simon's stage clothes got more outrageous as Huw's became more subdued. Lighthouse seemd slightly incongruous without Tim but, that said, it did work well. I did miss Ron and some of the songs he'd been singing but there was plenty to enjoy in the set without him. A few songs newer than 1985 would've nice tho'! A big hello to everyone I met on tour. I won't list names 'cos I'll only forget some of you. See you all at the Forum? Nck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: HW: Tour review > Hello folks > > Both lists seem to be very quiet at the moment. Therefore I decided to > write (again) a short tour review > I hope it is a little bit usefull for you > > At 1st I'd like to thank my friends in the UK for sending me those great > recordings in that phantastic sound quality. THANKS! > > Though I could not make it to this tour I have the luck to be in possession > of the following recordings: > > Swindon Wyvern Theatre 03.11.2001 Sat 100min > Leeds Irish Centre 06.11.2001 Tue 100min > Nottingham Rock City 07.11.2001 Wed 100min > Birmingham Sanctuary 08.11.2001 Thu 90min > Manchester University 10.11.2001 Sat 95min > Glasgow Garage 12.11.2001 Mon 90min > Newcastle Opera House 14.11.2001 Sun 100min > Cardif Coal Exchange 16.11.2001 Fri 25min > Hitchin Town Hall 17.11.2001 Sat 100min > Poole Arts Centre 18.11.2001 Sun 100min > Walthamstow Assembly Hall 24.11.2001 Sat 105min > > Main lineup: > Dave Brock > Huw Lloyd Langton > Alan Davey > Richard Chadwick > Simon House > > Guests: > Captain Black > Captain Rizz > > Track listing: > lighthouse / levitation / spiral galaxy / moonglum / brainbox pollution / > wind of change / angels of death / watcher / motorway city / hurry on > sundown / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / assault & > battery / golden void / ejection > > In Birmingham they could not play EJECTION and in Edinburgh the played > SPIRIT OF THE AGE instead of EJECTION > > (if I am wrong please let me know !) > > > I have to say that it was one of HAWKWINDs best ever tours!!! > I put this tour on the same high level as the ASTOUNDING 76 tour and the > USA 1989 tour !!!! > I never heard the band play so perfect. My feeling is that the main lineup > fits very good together. > > > Unfortunately Captain Black could not do the same great job as he did in > CANTERBURY (my absolute favorite Hawkwind gig) > > > Here are now some comments about the musicians. > > Dave Brock: > The main HAWKWIND engine. He keeps the motors running. I can not imagine > HAWKWIND without him. Great job Dave!! Thanks for collecting all these > great musicians to our favorite band called HAWKWIND and play such a > mindblowing tour!!!!!!!!!! > > Huw Lloyd Langton: > The tour of his live!!! He played like he never played before. I always > thought that he did his best job during the CHRONICLE tour. No! This was > his tour. PHANTASTIC Huwie!! > > Richard Chadwick: > The rhythm-machine in the background. HAWKWINDs best drummer!!! > He has the right feeling for this kind of great music!!! YES! > > Simon House: > I never thought that Simon and Huwie could play at the same time on the > same stage. They did it and it was SUPERB! Simons violine and Huwies > guitar. WOW!! Simon, please stay with the band. You played great! And you > played so PHANTASTIC on my favorite track of this tour! > > Alan Davey: > Welcome back Alan. I am very happy that you are again with HAWKWIND. > Great job during this tour. Very good WATCHER version. Thanks. > I like your bass style > > Captain Black: > Great synthie player but unfortunately mixed down during the tour. > You played the gig of your live in CANTERBURY !! I can not get enough of > your playing at this festival. > > Captan Rizz: > We do not need him > > > Now to the gigs: > Its very difficult to decide which was the best the worst gig because the > band did only play great gigs > > But after listening about 5 or 6 times to each of these 11 gigs > (unfortunately Cardiff only 25 minutes long) I have to say that NEWCASTLE > was the best gig from this tour. > The 2nd best is LEEDS and then POOLE. At the end is WALTHAMSTOW. It was not > a bad gig!! If I had only this one it would still be a great gig but I had > the chance to compare and I had to make some ratings > > NEWCATLE was exceptional. Best LIGHTHOUSE version (very different to the > other gigs !!!!) and best WIND OF CHANGE version. Unfortunately only a 7 > minutes ANGELS OF DEATH version. Usually they played this song about 12 > minutes long. The band had lot of fun during this gig! > > Now to the songs: > The best ones are: WIND OF CHANGE, ANGELS OF DEATH, BRAINBOX POLLUTION and > LEVITATION. Yes, and MOTORWAY CITY in Newcastle!! > > WIND OF CHANGE is awesome!!!! I am looking forward to get a video from this > tour and watch performing this song together with the lightshow and the dancer > > OK. Thats it folks. > Thanks for reading my review. But maybe it is usefull for some of you. > Sorry if I shoud have written in bad English > > > cheers > Bernhard From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 19 14:58:12 2001 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:58:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour review Message-ID: Bernhard Wrote: >Simon House: >I never thought that Simon and Huwie could play at the same time on the >same stage. They did it and it was SUPERB! Simons violine and Huwies >guitar. WOW!! I too was wondering how these two would sound together on stage - two musicians from very different aspects of the Hawkwind sound - but you are right Bernhard, they sounded great - as did the whole band. My fav of the tour - B/box Pollution. I also like how HW have gone back to doing longer versions of their songs live - like the songs deserve! Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Dec 19 18:54:52 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:54:52 -0600 Subject: HW: tour report Message-ID: Well, I think that I've avoided doing this for long enough ;-) I can say that this fall's tour was one of the most amazing things that I've ever done, and that despite all the stress and money, I'd do it again, if I had the choice (with maybe a few modifications ;-) ) I want to thank the band, who made an overseas fan quite exceedingly happy. Spent some lovely time chatting to Huw, Richard, Ali, Dave and Simon. bonus points to Huw for continuing on, even though he obviously felt like crap! double bonus points to Marion and Kris, without whom the tour would never have happened. Ladies, you have a thankless job, but I (and others) appreciate the fine work. Only negative side effect was that we only saw Kris on stage once. more shouts out: 1) the sound engineer. Very good this tour. 2) the light show crew. After Jasper left, Neil and Jim took over (with help from mr. dibs, keith barton, and eric siegerman later...) well done guys! 3) Marie Jenkinson (who did the merchandising....) well done! 4) Trev. -- he really does try to spread the word. 5) mr. dibs, jez, and the other roadies. boy, you guys must be dedicated. 6) to the poor bus driver who ended up in the hospital. Anyone know if he's ok? 7) Simon-the-tour-manager.....kept it all together and moving. plus waves and hi's to everyone I had a chance to talk to from the list.... (Chris Warburton, Rich Warren (happy grin), Merrick and Julie French, Ali Sumner, Mike Holmes, Jill Strobridge, Stuart (zeitgeist -- thanks for the pub lists!), Dave Hall, Neil Ward, Keith Barton, Eric Siegerman, Iain Ferguson, Colm, Nick Medford, Nick Lee, Denis Regenbrecht, Rik Richardson, and all the others that I'm sure I'm missing.... (forgive me....I was up for the midnight showing of the fellowship of the ring last night)). As for the music itself.... well, I've not seen Dave as happy as this in awhile. He seemed to be genuinely enjoying himself. got to see him more on guitar than of late, and that was quite nice. It was good to hear Lighthouse, even sans Tim. Levitation is still one of my faves, so it was quite nice to hear it. Very heavy version of Spiral Galaxy. Even if I prefer the ethereal version as done by spiral realms, I certainly wasn't complaining. moonglum isn't my favorite Huw song, but he did it well. Brainbox Pollution. Have never heard this live before. It was well done. Wind of Change. Surely I've been a good person this year. I *love* this song. Angels of Death is always good. I must admit that I've never been a fan of the watcher. nice bass, though. I love Motorway City. and the segue to Hurry on Sundown was superb. Hurry on Sundown is one of my alltime favorites. ever. I love hearing this live. It can stay on the set list 'til the end of time, as far as I'm concerned. Assasins of Allah/Hassan i Sahba. I still like this one. Even given the terrorist connotations, I just don't care. Space is their... is a lovely interlude.... Assault & Battery/Golden Void -- like Hurry on Sundown, I'd be happy to hear this for a long long while. Ejection -- eh. not my favorite by a stretch. Spirit of the Age -- oh, oh, why only once? I rather like SotA..... Even though the set lists were largely the same, bits and pieces changed from night to night. I definitely didn't feel like I was listening to a repeat record. Plenty of little changes from night to night. Onto the tour report: 7) Left Chicago at about 5:30pm Nov. 6th. Only thing to note: flying international from O'Hare airport was virtually indistinguishable from before Sept. 11. ...and if people were being hesitant to fly, I certainly couldn't tell. The flight was packed solid. Arrive at Heathrow. Catch a cup of coffee. Attempt to call the place I'm renting a car from, only to find out the number that they gave me doesn't work. Have a short panic moment, end up getting the number from directory assistance. Call them...and they come to pick me up from the airport. rent car. for more money than I was quoted. (specifically, insurance ended up being far more than the actual car rental. eek.) attempt to drive car #1. The transmission is half-manual and half-automatic, and very confusing (I'd asked for an automatic, since driving stick gives me hives.) figure that out. attempt to drive car #2. Do not get killed getting out to the M4, despite my best efforts. (seriously....the car rental company gave me no instructions on street signs, or right of way, or any of the standard driving stuff that I'd be expected to not know, being as I'm from the States.) figure out how to get to Nottingham. get lost in Nottingham, attempting to find my hotel. (sigh. story of my driving career over there.) find and check into hotel. get to rock city. worry a bit, as I don't see any crowds or people hanging out. Talk to a bunch of other fans standing outside waiting for the gig to open. At least half of whom are Americans and are primarily Gong fans. A couple of whom were Brits, but non-net folks. (I ended up bumping into those two quite often for the rest of the tour.) Get in, park myself up by the stage. Chris Warburton recognizes me in the crowd. Chat for a bit. Gong (I'd never seen Gong before. I'd just heard my first Gong albums a short while before. Wow.) Chat to an American Gong/Hawk fan. Attempt to spread gospel of BOC-L. Hawkwind. oh my god. What can I say, except that not sleeping for 30 hours, and driving on the wrong side of the road, and getting lost, and all the other stress just melted away. (I'll cover actual gig related stuff later ;-) ) Talk to Chris W., who offers to put be up for Birmingham. As Birmingham is one of the cities I don't have accomodations for yet, I happily take him up on his offer. We arrange to meet at the gig location the next night. get back to hotel. sleep like the dead. Get up, check out, find out that the band was staying in the same hotel I was. Curse myself for missing a grand opportunity, and go find the car. 8) Get lost getting out of Nottingham. Get into the Birmingham city limits. I can't seem to find the gig. Find a car park. Ditch car. Proceed to wander around Birmingham city centre for a few hours looking for the gig. (Fortunately, I'd left early, so I had time to burn.) While getting lost, I ran smack into the Andromeda Bookshop, which is one of the SF bookshops that I'd been meaning to get to when I had a chance. Ended up hopping a taxi to the gig. Got together with Chris W. and his amour, and ended up in a pub chatting about random science fiction tv, and gig. Turns out that they can't put me up, but did make reservations for me at a nearby travel inn, and will get me there post gig. Start the never ending wait for Hawkwind. Birmingham had 3(!) opening acts. The stupid pseudoDylan spouting his politics sans pants really should have been shot. The techno duo was ok, and Zion Train was OK for the first number, but all of their numbers seemed far too similar, and they were on for too long. Hawkwind. Yep, they still have the magic. Get back to Hotel, and thank Chris and friend profusely.... 9) Get up, hit the Andromeda bookshop, find a phone, call up to Merrick and Julie [French] to see if I can crash with them for the night and for Manchester (since I knew they were going...) Reach Julie, and she's cool with it, so it on up to Sheffield. Find it (yay! I actually found something!) ok. ...and just let me say that if you are in the Sheffield area, and haven't visited Merrick and Julie's place, you must find an excuse to stop in. Merrick does these wonderful big origami-like stars and other hanging ceiling art...and their house has got all kinds of neat stuff in it. Very, very cool. They introduce me to Pete and Leigh, a couple of other Hawkwind fans, who were up for the Manchester show. 10) Up the next morning, get ready for gig. Head out a bit early so we can stop at a pair of stone circles (Arbor Low and the Painted Ladies, I think....) I'd never been up-close-and-personal with any of the stone circles (had the prior obligatory trip to stonehenge, but it'd been roped off by that point.) wow. rather cool. This was the only real "touristy" thing that I did all trip, but really must come over at some point (sans Hawkwind gigs for an excuse) just to do the tourist thing and hang out with some of the folks on the list. Get to Manchester a bit early, and help Merrick set up some stars and stuff for the stage. I'd been anxious about this one, as I didn't have a ticket for Manchester (silly bastards wouldn't hold one at the door for me. Like it's easy to pop by and grab a ticket from the States. piffle.) When I got exceedingly shy (but worried on how to get in), Julie asked Dave on my behalf for a guest pass. Julie, I have not the words to thank you. I am in your debt. Met Rich Warren again, and was rather thankful for that. Hawkwind comes on. Wow! Wow! Wow! Found out later that I'd missed Mick Crook in the crowd somewhere. Alas :-( Got back to Sheffield that night. Crashed. got up, made my goodbyes (really, I cannot thank the two of you enough.) and headed off to Liverpool. 11) Made it to Liverpool without getting lost. I was ecstatic. Met Ali from irc, and remet Mike Holmes, who is always a delight to chat to. (Also met Mike's SO, a lovely lady named Lucy, and a couple of other folks. Nick Lee and some others...I think. oh yeah, and I see Rich Warren again ;-)) I'd volunteered to help out the band, if they needed anything. so I left the pub a bit early, and started my career as flyer-giver. (which, despite all else, I rather enjoyed. It's a good way to meet other fans (very similar to gophering at science fiction conventions), and I like helping out the band (and Trev....)) This was one of the few shows I really didn't enjoy, largely because I ended up getting hit by assorted folks who really wanted to mosh. I'd been trying to get up close to the stage so that I could have a good view (since I am rather short), but (as was later pointed out to me) some of the real assholes like to hang out up front. Oh well. I put that one down to experience, and hoped the next night would be better. was going to stay with Mike H. for Glasgow and Edinburgh, so we made plans to meet up in Moffat the next day. 12) Off to Moffat. Get worried, since Mike didn't show. Call over, (thank you, oh lord, for the invention of the cell phone) find out that he and Lucy had broken down. eek. They manage to get going again, and Lucy drops Mike off and he and I head off to Glasgow. Yes, you guessed it boys and girls, we get lost trying to get into the gig. Mike swears that it's Glasgow's one-way system, but I suspect that he's just being polite, and it's just my ususal "have no idea how to get anywhere" problem. met up with Jill Strobridge (which is always a pleasure), Stuart, Dave Hall, one of Jill's friends, and misc others. oh, yeah...and Rich Warren ;-) Great gig. just fantabulous. 13) Then off to Edinburgh. Mike's friend (whose name I'm forgetting, but I remember that he's looking for a copy of the Compleat Traveller in Black by Brunner) took me around Edinburgh while Mike was at work, which was rather nice. found a couple more science fiction bookstops (I have a weakness for them.) met up at pub with people (most of the same gang as Glasgow), went to gig. Great gig! I found the hidden secret to really enjoying the show... if you can manage it (and see ;-) ), go hang out by the sound guy. Tim (who was doing sound) was really good on this tour, and the sound was almost always crystal clear. offered lifts to Rich, Mike, and Jill to Newcastle. 14) Off the next day, not quite bright and early in the morning. Lo and behold -- we get lost on the way to newcastle, although it was very, very pleasant to have good people to chat to in the car. Get gradually a bit more stressed out, as we get lost finding our respective hotels. Find Jill's hotel, park for a bit to get directions to the one that Mike and I (and Stuart, then, as it turns out Rich) was staying in. Get to the travel inn, unload, grab stuff, then immediately off to find the opera house. (I helped Jim Lascko with the slides for the Opera House. That was fun.) Gig was incredible. Finally got a chance to see Kris. managed to get back for the miniparty postgig, and chatted with assorted folks, including the Mr. Quimby's Beard folks, who I had been looking forward to seeing perform (I had caught their show in Chicago in the previous month.) They are nice people. Everyone go see them at the Forum ;-) Went back to the hotel, chatted a bit w/ Mike, Stuart, Jill, and Rich. Regretfully said goodbye to all of the above, and geared up for the drive down to Cardiff. 15) drove all day. really, rather not fun in the slightest. Yes, got lost after I hit Cardiff. ended up finding the right hotel, though. Cardiff Bay is beautiful. just wanted to mention that ;-) 16) Eric Siegerman (who was my travelling companion for the last week of the tour) made it in. We went off to gig, and he got himself involved helping out with Jim, which pleased Eric immensely, I think. ;-) Cardiff was a good show. Met up with Iain Ferguson, and Colm (I think.) 17) Off to Hitchin. odd little place to stay and very odd little town. completely packed show, though. sold out, I found out later. (missed seeing some of the London crowd, since they couldn't get tix :-( ) (I think this is where I started bumping into Keith Barton, who did the southern half of the tour, but that might've been earlier ;-) ) ...and a quick bravo to Capt. Black. Keep up the good work. 18) off to, um, salisbury. Absolutely lovely place, and we stayed in a lovely B&B. bumped into Dave Brock shopping before the gig ;-) Desperately called about for a place to stay. Finally found one that wasn't booked solid. Gig was, as expected, rather good. 19) off to poole. lovely venue. half standing, half sitting, depending on your interest. good gig. 20) off to torquay. seaside town. interesting place. absolutely fantastic gig, but desperately needed more people. Jill was here ;-) Chatted with Ali for a bit backstage, and saw Simon's wig ;-) Jez Huggett and Capt. Black on stage. Life is happy. 21) off to Brighton. and the never-ending, there is no way to get to the hotel by car annoyance. End up staying with in the same place as the band again. bump into them checking in ;-) Get very, very lost trying to find the concorde 2, mostly because Eric and I didn't figure that there was a lower level to the city ;-) Packed to the gills gig, and very rocking. 22) Found out why driving in London sucks. Finally, finally, finally got to take the car back. Danced a jig the entire way into London from Heathrow. Stayed at the same place we did last year for the Astoria (hey...I knew it, and it was on the Victoria line. Two of the last three gigs I did in London were on opposite ends of the Victoria line. Coincidence, or part of a much larger plot?) 23) Did a bit of shopping (yay, Fantasy Centre on Holloway Road. My new favorite science fiction shop in london) and met up with Nick Medford and Ali for much happy munching in Chinatown. Spent much too much time hanging out in EasyEverything catching up with email (7000 messages, eek.) Happiness, though, Rich is going to make it down for the Walthamstow gig. Kept trying to convince Jill, too ;-) 24) Found Denis and his sister, and Rich, and we all went up early to catch the sound check. did much tolkien geeking, and discussed role playing games. It never ceases to amaze me how wonderful some of the folks on the list are. listened to the sound check, then went off to the Bell to meet people. Finally met up with Rik and chatted to him a bit, which was cool. picked up several t-shirts for people, which I will send out Real Soon Now. Then went to the gig proper. finally remembered to bring my astroballs, and spent the early part of the gig juggling in the back of the room, which I've wanted to do for eons. Jim kindly let me put Denis's sister up on the lighting platform, as she is smaller than I am, and also has the too-short problem. Spent the second half of the gig enjoying Rich's company (as I'm sure those of you who saw us at walthamstow realize ;-) ). said goodbye to the band (boy, cannot believe that it is over), hopped the mad cab from hell back to the hotel, and spent one of the sweetest weekends of my life with my (now) boyfriend ;-) (25) 26) got very frazzled trying to get back to heathrow, managed to make it just as the gate was opening for my flight. got back. passed out. then dealt with dealing back in reality :-( (take me back to the tour I survived....) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 20 00:36:41 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:36:41 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/15/01 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. Space/Kraut/Psyche/Electronic/Experimental/Prog/Rock'n'Roll/Whims TO LISTEN ON THE WEB, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list (REALLY!!), e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: SDNC won't be broadcasting for the next two weeks (12/29/01 and 1/5/02), as I have "shit going on"... I hope this won't put people off who have made an extra effort to listen in lately...normally I'm quite consistent...don't think I've missed two weeks in a row in a couple years...anyway, you might still want to tune in, as I should have Anish subbing for me, who will treat you to some space-rock and other heavy stuff... And w/what I've acquired in the last week and after visiting San Francisco, the 11th should be pretty fresh.... 12/15/01 1.Defender-- untitled track #2 (Live @ the Empty Bottle, Chicago, 3/15/01) 2.Upsilon Acrux-- "Fielding Melling" (In the Court of the Upsilon King; Accretions) 3.Quarkspace-- "Starbridge Freaks 3" (Drop; MP3.com) 4.Dead Flowers-- "Free the Weed" (Altered State Circus; Delerium) 5.Liquid Sound Company-- "Let the Incense Drift" (Exploring the Pschedelic; Brainticket) 6.Solitude Aeturnus-- "White Ship" (Into the Depths of Sorrow; Roadracer) 7.Jettison Slinky-- "Door Ajar" (Dank Side of the Morn; Evander) 8.Mushroom-- "The Greatest Pleasure in Life..." (Foxy Music; Innerspace) 9.Avey Tare and Panda Bear-- "Throwin' the Round Ball/Ahhh Good Country" (Danse Manatee; Catsup Plate) 10.Salamander-- "Return to Rural Highway" (Red Mantra; Camera Obscura) 11.Species Being-- "Parts V--VIII" (Yonilicious; Grauspace/Jamalot) 12.Hawkwind-- excerpt from "Brainstorm"/Ritualistic Space Noise (BBC Radio 1; Windsong) 13.Can-- "Red Hot Indians" (Landed; Mute/Spoon) thanks, Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 20 00:27:23 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:27:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: New DarXtar Message-ID: Hello... Since traffic has been light, let me put in a few words for "Tombola." Jerry K. just got them in a couple days ago, and I got mine just yesterday. I've given it two quick listens, and it's a big winner IMHO. For the life of me, I can't understand why Delerium farted around for so long, and never ended up releasing it! I guess maybe it was just too sophisticated for them. :) Anyway, I guess it ended up for the best, 'cause it looks like the Commander continued tweaking it over the next two years after the recording was finished (1997) and perhaps it came out much better. (?) So, the first surprising thing when you get your grubby paws on it, is that there are 13 tracks on the album, and all of them are legitimate songs (as opposed to little bits of linking music). But since it's about 70 minutes long (vitually double-LP length), the songs aren't all three-minutes or anything! But still, the last album was five songs total, with the title track being about 18 minutes or so. The new Darxtar is definitely different than before...they've really evolved into something quite separate than the pure space-blanga outfit they were up to about Daybreak, when they started to branch out some. The songwriting on "Tombola" definitely employs an enhanced involvement with melody and lyrics (all the lyrics are included in the booklet, and there are a crapload of 'em). But the writing has also become more varied and (shall I say?) progressive. On average, I would say this album is roughly just as heavy as previous albums, but it's a different kind of heaviness. Yes, there are three or four instances of the pounding blanga rhythms ('Blue Frozen Flame' for instance), but there are other tracks with crunchy guitars that aren't really like 'old' Darxtar much at all. Some of it is standard hard rock territory, but none of it is 'radio-fare.' They haven't adopted any commercial sound that's for sure. :) (Commander) Soren's voice here sounds better than ever, and there's lots of good instrumental bits as well, some Mellotronish synths and violin of course. The spacey synths are still there, but not quite as dominant as before. Some of the songs seem like they might take some time to catch on, but the whole midsection of the album ("Compromised Space"/"Healin' Skin"/"Breath Messages") is really excellent...some blanga, some space, some melody, some metal - never repetitive. The title track (eight minutes) appears last and is a great spacey-prog piece not unlike "7" from 'Sju' (which means the same thing). Patric Danielsson's wife contributes space-whisper vocals and that's a new touch for the draXters. Hey, it was a long wait, but let me now say that they haven't lost their edge and the idea of them now starting to do gigs again (are they still on, Scott?) is very promising for the future. Now, do they have a website active again? (Record Heaven doesn't really have anything up about them yet, from what I can tell.) I wonder if anyone else really knows the album is out? Also, what's happened to Paul Ward? I know he got real busy there for awhile with building his new home and travelling a lot on business throughout SEAsia, but with DarXtar coming alive again, and the rumours of another Oz/NZ tour, I would have expected to see him report in once again. Grakkl (FAA) http://www.aural-innovations.com/mailord/mailord.html to order from Jerry. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 20 00:49:32 2001 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:49:32 EST Subject: OFF: Oops... ("Space Does Not Care") Message-ID: ...that definitely needs rephrasing... SDNC will not air these days: 12/22/01 12/29/01 ...and... ...will return the 4th. sorry for the extra bandwidth (?), Chuck From youless at LVCM.COM Thu Dec 20 02:10:42 2001 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:10:42 -0500 Subject: HW: tour report Message-ID: Great tour report Arin, thanks! Steve From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Dec 20 02:53:20 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:53:20 -0700 Subject: HW: tour report In-Reply-To: <200112200710.CAA07247@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Except, next time, could you be a little more in-depth? KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Moonglum . > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:11 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: tour report > > > Great tour report Arin, thanks! > > Steve > From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Dec 20 03:10:51 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (Mark Von Bargen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:10:51 -0500 Subject: HW: New Link(??) Message-ID: Hi, Hawkwind link to Massive Attack (of Unfinished Sympathy mega fame). New group formed by Steve Swindells called DanMingo. Further details see the Steve Swindells club at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/steveswindells - sorry I can't format it as a hyperlink from this interface. Regards, Mark From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 20 04:04:09 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:04:09 +0200 Subject: OFF:Space Rock Message-ID: Hi! 25.1.2002 Psychotropic Zone presents: Circle, The Spacious Mind (Swe), Dark Sun, Kuusumun Profeetta. Kulttuurikeskus Gloria, Pieni Robertinkatu 12. Helsinki, Finland Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 20 04:04:16 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:04:16 +0200 Subject: NIK:Finland Message-ID: Hi! Nik Turner comes Finland again! He will play with 5.15 in tavastia club 4.1.2002. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 20 06:46:33 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:46:33 +0800 Subject: HW: tour report Message-ID: LOL Excellent tour report Arin. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "KevinSommers" To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: tour report > Except, next time, could you be a little more in-depth? > > KevinSommers > Cogito ergo sum, I think... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Moonglum . > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:11 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: tour report > > > > > > Great tour report Arin, thanks! > > > > Steve > > > > From shll at NOVONORDISK.COM Thu Dec 20 07:38:41 2001 From: shll at NOVONORDISK.COM (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:38:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Darxtar Message-ID: Hej, Darxtar have a new official web site at: http://welcome.to/darxtar I have still not received a copy of the CD but really look forward to it. In answer to Keith's questions, Darxtar are still playing the Copenhagen Space Rock Festival (www.spacerock.subnet.dk ) which will happen on Thursday March 28th. We have changed the date from the 23rd as this is the start of the Easter holidays and no one will have to work on Thursday, Friday and Monday in Scandianvia. We expect to have the Space Rock Compilation CD out in early march with unreleased tracks by Darxtar (live 93-94), Spacious Mind (newly recorded in Nov-Dec 2001), Dark Sun (Electrified with Nik Turner), Psuedo Sun (two new tracks recorded in 2001), Mantric muse and Gas Giant. scott From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Dec 20 10:39:46 2001 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:39:46 -0600 Subject: HW: tour report In-Reply-To: <003701c1894b$f9717780$28a13bcb@freeaqua> Message-ID: Heh. too short, as the later few gigs got shortshifted, as they started to blend in my head (eek.) A few things I forgot and what not. Jill deserves a huge screaming thank you, for managing to get me a glasgow ticket. Yep, I'm the schmuck who put her through that story she posted to the list awhile back. I rather liked the seaside places, but didn't have much to report on them, as most of my experience was "get lost, get to hotel, find gig, get in early, chat, enjoy gig, chat, refind hotel, sleep" rinse lather repeat ;-) Salisbury was beautiful. Didn't make it to the cathedral, but the people were quite nice, and the little shops and stuff were fun. Hitchin reminded me of flea market hell. and the town hall was an odd venue.... my memory isn't as good as it was, so I gave them short shrift. oh well ;-) Arin On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Bill & Cynthia wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: tour report : :LOL : :Excellent tour report Arin. : :Bill :----- Original Message ----- :From: "KevinSommers" :To: :Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:53 PM :Subject: Re: HW: tour report : : :> Except, next time, could you be a little more in-depth? :> :> KevinSommers :> Cogito ergo sum, I think... :> :> :> > -----Original Message----- :> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On :> > Behalf Of Moonglum . :> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:11 AM :> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU :> > Subject: Re: HW: tour report :> > :> > :> > Great tour report Arin, thanks! :> > :> > Steve :> > :> :> : -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at uchicago.edu Manager of Web Systems Architecture University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From joe.e at TELIA.COM Thu Dec 20 11:05:49 2001 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:05:49 +0100 Subject: HW: A Day in Life of a Kollektor Message-ID: you can't win every time; When I received yet another Yuri clone today (codename hawkwind II), I smiled upon my face and was about to put it on the shelf at its place. There was no need to listen to it, as there was a Sabbath tribute and a Captain Beyond tribute too in the parcel - which both should be prioritied for a first run before another Gagarin session. I was Dancing Madly Backwards. But the pastoral scene had its crack; the shock hit me as hard as a falling Metal Shield... The place was already occupied by another copy of Codename Hawkwind Volume II. bummer. Am I in control om my collection? Am I suffering of Alzheimer Light? Am I going insane? oh well. merry christmas anyway. rm -f .joe From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Dec 20 12:23:54 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:23:54 -0600 Subject: OFF: Hubble Sends Red-And-Green Greeting From Cosmos Message-ID: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011220/sc/space_hubble_dc_1.html From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Dec 20 13:59:03 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:59:03 -0500 Subject: HW: A Day in Life of a Kollektor In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20011220170159.1ff71778@m1.171.telia.com>; from joe.e@TELIA.COM on Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 05:05:49PM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 05:05:49PM +0100, Johan Edlundh wrote: > The place was already occupied by another copy of Codename Hawkwind Volume II. I hate it when that happens! > Am I in control om my collection? T'other way around... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 20 15:54:30 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:54:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Trading Post Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know of (or considered taking on the task of setting up) a HW web site for people wanting to sell, buy, swap HW goodies? I once tried something similar (in pre Internet days of '85) using paper copies and advertised it though Brian Tawn but it never really took off .... did make a few useful contacts though. Age Parr's also fell at the first fence. I wouldn't have a clue where to start, but can't imagine it being too tricky for someone who's technically able and has the dedication to keep it updated. Just a thought. Jez From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Thu Dec 20 14:51:30 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:51:30 -0000 Subject: HW: tour report Message-ID: Hi Arin and All, Probably a little bit late to warn you that shows can get a bit lively at Liverpool. I remember years ago getting well and truly battered while getting stage front watching a band called Balaam and the Angel. And they were only the support band (for Here & Now, I think), in a pub type venue. Liverpool has a lovely warm reputation around the world and deservedly so but it can get a bit hectic sometimes. Liverpool was listening to Pink Floyd while the rest of the UK was getting off to the likes of Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and Wet Wet Wet. Also remember the Beastie Boys first UK tour where they tried to go round showing the UK how hard they were, waving baseball bats and similar around baiting the crowds and sneering at them, trying to emulate UK punks like the Sex Pistols etc... Well at the very same Liverpool Royal Court the show lasted about ten minutes before the Beasties ran for their lives. It wasn't a pretty sight, especially for Adam and the boys. Boy Bands never go down well in Liverpool! Next time you get to the Royal Court Liverpool I can show you a boss place to get a sound view and its not dangerously near the front. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: HW: tour report [big snip] > 11) Made it to Liverpool without getting lost. I was ecstatic. > Met Ali from irc, and remet Mike Holmes, who is always a delight to chat > to. > > (Also met Mike's SO, a lovely lady named Lucy, and a couple of other > folks. Nick Lee and some others...I think. oh yeah, and I see Rich > Warren again ;-)) > > I'd volunteered to help out the band, if they needed anything. > > so I left the pub a bit early, and started my career as flyer-giver. > > (which, despite all else, I rather enjoyed. It's a good way to meet > other fans (very similar to gophering at science fiction conventions), and > I like helping out the band (and Trev....)) > > This was one of the few shows I really didn't enjoy, largely because I > ended up getting hit by assorted folks who really wanted to mosh. > > I'd been trying to get up close to the stage so that I could have a good > view (since I am rather short), but (as was later pointed out to me) some > of the real assholes like to hang out up front. > [and snip again] From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 20 16:30:28 2001 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:30:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <00b901c18999$2733eac0$7b13883e@jezd> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Jez Dacombe wrote: => Anyone know of (or considered taking on the task of setting up) a HW => web site for people wanting to sell, buy, swap HW goodies? I already did this. I called mine "eBay." Go to www.ebay.com to check it out. It's expanded a bit from the early Hawkwind swap days, though. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Thu Dec 20 18:04:49 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:04:49 -0500 Subject: HW: A Day in Life of a Kollektor Message-ID: man,i hate when that happens(more than once)...it's the brain cells dying out...bummer tim Johan Edlundh wrote: > > you can't win every time; > > When I received yet another Yuri clone today (codename hawkwind II), I > smiled upon my face and was about to put it on the shelf at its place. There > was no need to listen to it, as there was a Sabbath tribute and a Captain > Beyond tribute too in the parcel - which both should be prioritied for a > first run before another Gagarin session. I was Dancing Madly Backwards. > > But the pastoral scene had its crack; the shock hit me as hard as a falling > Metal Shield... > The place was already occupied by another copy of Codename Hawkwind Volume II. > > bummer. > > Am I in control om my collection? > Am I suffering of Alzheimer Light? > Am I going insane? > > oh well. merry christmas anyway. > rm -f .joe From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 20 20:32:36 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:32:36 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: a couple of links Message-ID: First, a review of Mick Farren's autobiography, 'Give the Anarchist A Cigarette': http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/story.jsp?story=108743 sample quote: >Mick Farren was not the kind of sweet peace-and-love-man hippie >parodied by Nigel Planer in The Young Ones. He came on like a cross >between Abbie Hoffman and Charles Manson and fooled not a few people, >despite being essentially a pussycat. Also, a review of a local band, Troll, who I never heard of: http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-12-19/reviewed.html/1/index.html Troll 'Qu? Son Los Trolls y en Qu? Nos Ayudan?' (Orange Sun) quote: >A number of familiar ingredients swirl and bubble in the Troll sound -- >especially the charred flower-power of Sonic Youth and space-rock jams >of '70s Hawkwind -- but the band adds some new seasonings. -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Fri Dec 21 04:38:22 2001 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted Blair) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:38:22 -0500 Subject: Is it my eyes or was Marion LL on GMTV? Message-ID: My first post and probably a strong candidate for sad post of the week.... I was watching GMTV this morning - normally I miss this as I'm at work for 6:30am - and they did a feature on ex-pats in Australia live from Bondi Beach. They asked the crowd for any messages and one voice said "Hello to all Hawkwind fans". I looked up and saw Marion Lloyd-Langton amongst the crowd having a lovely time. Obviously a well deserved break after a lot of hard work on the latest tour. I wonder if Huw was up early enough to record it all? Nope, didn't think so. Hello to some to the regulars I met in the Bodega post-Newcastle gig. Happy Xmas to all of you. Missed the Forum gig last night despite living in London - girlfriend's birthday and HW gigs don't count as a night out.... cheers Ted From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Dec 21 05:46:30 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:46:30 -0000 Subject: Is it my eyes or was Marion LL on GMTV? Message-ID: I'm told she and Kris were out there scouting for a possible tour. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Blair" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Is it my eyes or was Marion LL on GMTV? > My first post and probably a strong candidate for sad post of the week.... > > I was watching GMTV this morning - normally I miss this as I'm at work for > 6:30am - and they did a feature on ex-pats in Australia live from Bondi > Beach. > > They asked the crowd for any messages and one voice said "Hello to all > Hawkwind fans". I looked up and saw Marion Lloyd-Langton amongst the crowd > having a lovely time. > > Obviously a well deserved break after a lot of hard work on the latest tour. > > I wonder if Huw was up early enough to record it all? Nope, didn't think > so. > > Hello to some to the regulars I met in the Bodega post-Newcastle gig. > Happy Xmas to all of you. Missed the Forum gig last night despite living > in London - girlfriend's birthday and HW gigs don't count as a night out.... > > cheers > > Ted From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 21 11:27:48 2001 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:27:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas party at the Forum Message-ID: The best HW gig I've ever seen. Line-up : DB, Huw, Alan, Richard, Simon, plus Tim Blake and (the big surprise) Danny Thompson on a second kit for much of the set. Plus a few spots from Rizz. The set: Magnu Down Through the Night Lighthouse Levitation Spiral Galaxy Moonglum Brainbox Pollution Wind of Change Rizz spoken intro The Watcher Spacebrock Sonic Attack Time We Left This World Today Motorway City Hurry On Sundown encores: Hassan I Sabbah Ejection It was loud as hell, sound did get murky at times, but the pulsating wall- of-sound effect was worth any temporary loss of clarity. Tremendous lightshow with slides and projections from the recent tour on screens big enough to do them justice. But the real visual treat was the footage of the Starfighter and the wacky aviation cartoons during Ejection. But this was a great gig because of the atmosphere. For some reason there was more of it than at any HW gig I've attended since the 80s. Crowd very into it. There was an excitement, an edge, a sense of event. A deep dark psychedelic communion. The lights and smoke reduced the band to silhouettes much of the time which made it all the more mysterious and intense. The music: enough set changes from the tour to keep set-watchers happy. The more melodic numbers (Moonglum, Motorway City) suffered a bit from the pulverising volume and maximum blanga approach, but it didn't matter. Time We Left was incredible- truly barbaric in its ferocity. Or the moment when Alan's evil bass riff kicked in at ther start of The Watcher- that will stay with me for a long time. Biggest surprise was Sonic Attack: done as a trance techno number. Everyone except Dave left the stage- a relentless electronic rhythmic assault followed- I thought it was going to turn into "Sex Dreams" but after a few minutes of punishing bass heavy beats, Rizz appeared and he and Dave ripped through Sonic Attack. It was an audacious move, a total departure, but I thought it worked wonderfully. I admit I groaned inwardly when Hassan I Sabbah began: I had hoped they might rest this from the set, it's been there forever it seems. But I was wrong. It was blistering, the best I've ever heard it, from the extended intro where Tim's synths and Simon's violin combined to memeorably eerie effect, to yet another new take on the middle section- largely improvised this time (or so it seemed to me), Huw the star as he has been so often of late, up to the pounding crescendo. Then Ejection with the reggae-fied middle section that just gets better and better- definitely the best space reggae we've yet heard from HW. Amazing night. And the trains were even running on time. NM From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Dec 21 12:57:22 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:57:22 -0600 Subject: HW: Xmas party at the Forum In-Reply-To: <200112211627.LAA12715@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: That was a good read Nick..... I, for one, am glad Rizz is in reach....and that Huw is deliverin' the goods..uhhh... and even Danny gets in on the bash!!! carry on then.. m From youless at LVCM.COM Fri Dec 21 11:58:21 2001 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Xmas party at the Forum Message-ID: Great review Nick, thanks! Merry Christmas to all :-) Steve From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 21 14:02:50 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:02:50 EST Subject: HW: Xmas party at the Forum Message-ID: In a message dated 12/21/01 4:58:41 PM GMT Standard Time, youless at LVCM.COM writes: > Great review Nick, thanks! > > Merry Christmas to all :-) > > Steve > Ditto that. Steve. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Dec 21 16:41:05 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:41:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Dawson URL Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know (and care to tell me) the URL of Andrew Dawson's excellent site, where he lists every HW release along with scanned image? Jez From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Dec 21 17:28:09 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:28:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Dawson URL Message-ID: Hi Andrew Dawson's page is at: http://home.clara.net/adawson/list.html Links to this site, and others are found on Mission Control (>Friends) Of course, Mission Control has it's own pages (with image scans) of the core (Official) releases: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/alb/alb_.htm Hope this helps. Rx On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:41:05 -0000, Jez Dacombe wrote: >Hi, >Anyone know (and care to tell me) the URL of Andrew Dawson's excellent site, where he lists every HW release along with scanned image? >Jez > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 21 18:25:23 2001 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:25:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? Message-ID: Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; that's what it says in the "Language" field. Too funny! Click on the link to search for other Elvish-language films, and three titles come up. Guess which the other two are... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / One ring to rule the mall. - Movie review headline, eye Magazine From jasret at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Dec 21 18:43:51 2001 From: jasret at MINDSPRING.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:25:23 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; ... I assume that most folks here already know that: A) the voice of one of the actors in the movie appears on a Hawkwind album B) the previous feature from the director of the movie had a cover of a BOC song played over the closing credits ... just to keep things vaguely on-topic ;^) -Doug jasret at mindspring.com From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 21 23:17:45 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 21:17:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? In-Reply-To: <200112212343.SAA14309@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: A) "I have come..." KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Doug Pearson > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:44 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: "English / Elvish" ??? > > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:25:23 -0500, Eric Siegerman > wrote: > >Look up Lord of the Rings at imdb.com; ... > > I assume that most folks here already know that: > A) the voice of one of the actors in the movie appears on a Hawkwind album > B) the previous feature from the director of the movie had a > cover of a BOC > song played over the closing credits > > ... just to keep things vaguely on-topic ;^) > > -Doug > jasret at mindspring.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Dec 22 00:45:05 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:45:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock w/ Ayreon Message-ID: Hi Folks... As recently announced, the Baron has completed a guest shot on the upcoming Ayreon album. Although it looks like it might be released under a different band-name, i.e., Arjen Anthony Lucassen's 'Star One'...taken from Blake's 7. The album will be called 'Space Metal.' (I dunno...it was all rather confusing, but I think this is right.) Here's what Arjen had to say in his latest update, from www.ayreon.com... Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^ Last week I recorded Ed Warby on drums in studio RS29. Despite the fact that we had lots of problems with the computer the first day, he managed to record his drums for the whole album in almost one day! And that's really unique, for Ed is very critical of himself and I'm only allowed to continue to the next song until he's satisfied. In fact I've got practically nothing to say, Ed's in charge! And again on this album he will continue to surprise you right from the start with this amazing doublebass powerfill. And once again Ed has shown that he masters both the most complicated techniques ?nd the straight forward drumming when it's needed. And after all these years of working together we understand eachother perfectly. I don't have to tell him what to do, when I record him he plays exactly the things that I hope he will play. Ed is like a self-thinking computer that doesn't need to be programmed! This week Dan Swan? will be here and at the beginning of December Russell Allen will visit the Castle. Man, am I looking forward to recording both of them! I will of course let you know how it went shortly, so keep your eye on the site. I've also recorded a 9-minute medley for this album of one of my favourite bands, and I managed to get the original singer to sing it! I have always been a huge fan of the band Hawkwind, ever since the 70's. Hawkwind were the inventors of 'space-rock' and they have released over a 100 albums (including live and compilation albums) and I've collected most of them. Now I have tried for years to get their founder member and still the main focus of the band Dave Brock (vocals, guitars, synths) to guest on my Ayreon albums, but never succeeded in doing so. In fact nobody has ever succeeded in having him do a guest appearance on any rock album! As you know the lyrics of my new metal album are based entirely on space movies, and I thought it would be very cool to record a Hawkwind medley for it. So quite spontaniously I sent Dave an email asking him if he wanted to sing the lead vocals on it, and I sent him the instrumental demo after he answered that he was interested. To my (very pleasant!) surprise he said he liked the demo and wanted to do it! For those of you who don't know Hawkwind, they are an English psychedelic band who started out in 1969, had a big hit in the early 70's with a song called 'Silver Machine' (sung by Lemmy) and they are still going strong. In fact at the moment they are touring the UK with their extravagant live show. They are a big influence on Ayreon's music; they combine analog synthesisers/sequencers, Mellotrons and organs with fuzzy guitarriffs, use spacy atmospheric sounds and write science fiction lyrics. What I also like about them is that they always stayed true to their style and fans, which enabled them to build a very loyal fan base and record many, many albums. A few days before I was scheduled to fly over to Dave Brock's studio, he called me up and told me that when he was rehearsing with Hawkwind in his studio, the whole band was infected by some bug and got sick. So he warned me that he had a terrible cold on the chest and his voice would be quite croaky, but I decided to go anyway in order to go over the songs with him and -of course - to finally meet him! Dave picked me up from the airport and drove me to his huge estate. It was great to be in the studio where most of the Hawkwind albums were recorded, the place was full of memorabilia. We went over the songs together, took a long walk through his huge forest, saw his horses and then Dave cooked me a great meal. He is a real gentleman and took great care of me. He also gave me many Hawkwind collectors items that I had been looking for for years. I found out that we have a lot in common. How great it is to meet one of your musical influences, and he turns out to be a nice guy as well! Meanwhile Dave (now 60!) has recorded his vocals on his own in his studio and he sent me the tapes with his voice about a week ago. I must say that he did a great job! It's so great to hear that voice that I've been listening to for 30 years on my own recording. Don't expect a singer with lots of technique like Ronnie Dio, but expect a singer who sings from the heart, delivered with a great London accent ;O) For all you Hawkfans out there, these are the songs in the medley: MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE SILVER MACHINE (chorus only) PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) BRAINSTORM ASSAULT AND BATTERY THE WAR I SURVIVED (SPACE IS DEEP) (instrumental riff) SPIRIT OF THE AGE (chorus only) LOST CHRONICLES (instrumental outtro) Talk to you soon! Arjen From nilstorgfut at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Dec 22 05:26:22 2001 From: nilstorgfut at HOTMAIL.COM (Nils Torgfut) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:26:22 -0500 Subject: My pages Message-ID: Please go to this place for my Hawkwind pages.They are the cool people for the space rock! Nils From micci at SCI.FI Sat Dec 22 06:07:02 2001 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:07:02 +0200 Subject: NIK:5.15 Message-ID: Hi! New 5.15 CD-ep call Stone Cold Heartbreaker (RHCDM18) incl. Hassan I Sabha with Nik Turner. Recorded live at Ruisrock Festival, Turku 2.7.1999 Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind http://www.sci.fi/~micci email: finn.wind at sci.fi From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Dec 22 06:04:25 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 06:04:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Amazon.com Message-ID: Hey... By accident, I found that amazon.com seems to have several items for interest for $6.97 (before shipping). Hawkwind - Space Bandits Gong - Flying Teapot Gong - Angel's Egg of less interest is... Hawkwind - In the Beginning Seen under the banner of "Progressive Rock for under $7." Grakkl (FAA) P.S. http://www.loudmetal.com is an interesting site in Finland that has stuff for reasonable prices. One more to add to that list I made earlier. Odd is that they seem to have more classic rock and prog than "loud metal." They sell through www.gemm.com with no extra fee, and shipping is $4 for any size order anywhere. We'll see if they are reliable - I just put in an order for a few things, including Tasavallan Presidentii, which I've been meaning to check out one of these days. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 22 09:48:28 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:48:28 -0000 Subject: HW - into the New Year......... Message-ID: good stuff too - we sold out just before Xmas so more in New Year. Just taking this opportunity to wish a Happy Christmas to everyone here from me - for those who've been 'served' this year, I hope I can do more next year, starting in January with Spacehead, Star Nation and Starfield - 2002 here we come. Have A Great New Year everyone, Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miikka Wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: NIK:5.15 > Hi! > > New 5.15 CD-ep call Stone Cold Heartbreaker (RHCDM18) incl. Hassan I Sabha > with Nik Turner. Recorded live at Ruisrock Festival, Turku 2.7.1999 > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > > Official Finnish Hawkwind Association/ FinnWind > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > email: finn.wind at sci.fi From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 22 13:27:04 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:27:04 +0000 Subject: FW: RFH...a short review In-Reply-To: ; from nick@HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:03:37PM +0100 Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:03:37PM +0100, Nick Medford typed out: > In message CLSTR>, Jobson, Eddie writes > >I thought The Watcher was excellent and in my opinion only the second live > >song I've heard Alan sing that I thought he did well. (The other being Gimme > >Shelter.) Also liked Lighthouse, Motorway City, Hurry on, A&B and Golden > >Void. Was a bit dissapointed with New Jeruselem and thought Alan singing > >lead on Ejection was a definate no no. I liked it better with Dave. > > I seem to be in a minority, judging by this and other comments, but I think > Alan does a pretty passable job of singing Ejection, in fact at Canterbury I > thought his vocals on this track were outstanding. Think he makes a decent > fist of Damnation Alley (e.g. Palace Springs version) too. I think he does a lousy `Damnation Alley' actually but then I am comparing it to Calvert due to the current line-up's persistent failure to give me any other version to compare :-) I don't know, Ali's voice seems very variable these days. I think the Motorhead-esque singing isn't doing him any good; at the RFH he sounded all shot but for the actual tour he was OK to good. `Ejection' however is just pitched too high for him, and they still miss out the interlines in the chorus which are, you know, quite good in their way even if no-one can ever remember them right. There are a number of Hawkwind songs Alan can sing perfectly well, and certainly Bedouin needs no other vocalist; but there are some things he can't do and I personally think `Ejection' is one of them. Reviews on the way, not that I can add that much to Nick's... Yours, Jon ObCD: Pink Fairies - _Mandies and Mescalins round at Uncle Harry's_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From youless at LVCM.COM Sun Dec 23 02:42:33 2001 From: youless at LVCM.COM (Moonglum .) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:42:33 -0500 Subject: My pages Message-ID: Hey Nils, You forgot to give us the URL of your website Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 05:26:22 -0500, Nils Torgfut wrote: >Please go to this place for my Hawkwind pages.They are the cool people for >the space rock! > >Nils From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 06:16:01 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 06:16:01 EST Subject: Hawkwind related - for those with guitars Message-ID: Jack Of Shadows - Nothing fancy - email me privately if you wanna A G Jack of Shadows, nocturnal outlaw C D Demon of darkness, brother to the night A G Jack of Shadows, what's he hanging out for? C D King of the dimensions, the other side of light E F D And when he passes E F D He casts shades of mystery black E F G Flowing like molasses A It's only Jack of Shadows G On his way back E To the kingdom of thieves D C B A Before the skies crack A G Jack of Shadows, cloak of constellations C D Draped around his body, Blanking out his face A G Jack of Shadows, don't believe in God C D He steals from the future, Fades without a trace E F D And when the flames flare E F D Flickering forms of velvet dark E F G He plays his games there A G It's only Jack of Shadows, He's lit up by a spark E D C B C ( D B(flat) C A B(flat) E F To run into the umbra , As fast as a shark A G Jack of Shadows, ultraviolet eyesight C D Giving him the vision that cats-eye infrared A G Jack of Shadows, watch him as he flies right C D Through all of the umbras, quicker than the dead E F D And when he passes E F D He casts shades of mystery black E F G Flowing like molasses A G It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back E To the kingdom of thieves D C B A Before the skies crack From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 23 09:41:21 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 08:41:21 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind related - for those with guitars In-Reply-To: <69.1f79e9ba.295716f1@aol.com> Message-ID: excellent song wish I could get that "feeling" again.....such an uplifting vibe in that one ....don't feel it now... need money LOTS peel back a few years, etc. From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 23 10:08:39 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:08:39 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind related - KOLLEKTORPOST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oops- sorry folks thought that was on a different list didn't mean to cause eggnog to spray out .... but since I bring my gloom before the high court ....how 'bout this?? I have found an LP titled "Hawkwind Live In London 1975".....and it is confirmed as having NO LABEL, and has a white cover with black letters and a "big symbolic logo" )(I love that part) any idea if the aliens pressed this in a quantity of just one and made it appear to look dated ??? WTF IS THIS??? but furthermore- what I ask is...how many shows in London for 1975 are there,and are any of them strong quality, and was "The Mind Journey" recitation done here??? was the Mind Journey thing done several times??? or just that Scotland show (my brain doesn't remember what it used to) thanks,and oops ps- I'm sorting you all out in this new year, and if I have to add tack-ons I might sorry m From coral at APORT.RU Sun Dec 23 11:17:44 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:17:44 +0300 Subject: HW - into the New Year......... Message-ID: > year, starting in January with Spacehead, Star Nation and Starfield - 2002 Star Nation the new or the old? Alisa From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 11:32:42 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 11:32:42 EST Subject: off - OFF - off - Looking for Captain Bl@ck?? Message-ID: Hiya Capt'n If your out there can you give me a bell? got a long overdue CD waiting for ya Michael B From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Dec 23 12:24:04 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:24:04 -0000 Subject: HW - into the New Year......... Message-ID: new ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: HW - into the New Year......... > > year, starting in January with Spacehead, Star Nation and Starfield - 2002 > > Star Nation the new or the old? > > Alisa From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 12:23:37 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:23:37 EST Subject: HW - into the New Year......... Message-ID: I EAGERLY await any Star Nation material From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Dec 23 12:54:31 2001 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:54:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! Message-ID: Trivia Point: Any1 else notice that the opening 20 secs of Silver Machine was used on last night's Bansai ! ? Rx From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 13:04:55 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:04:55 EST Subject: HW related - for those with guitars Love In Space Message-ID: Going by memory - I think its all there Dm G Love in space I dream of you Dm G Love in space I scream to you Dm G Love in space I cry for you Dm G Love in space I fly to you Em F Drifting in our capsules of icy mist G The ship of dreams sails Dm G Love in space I dream of you Dm G Love in space I plead for you Dm G Love in space I sigh for you Dm G Love in space I'd die for you Em F Drifting in our capsules of icy mist G The ship of dreams sails Dm Love in space G Love in space Dm Love in space G Love in space Em F Drifting in our capsules of icy mist G The ship of dreams sails A You say there's life out there in the galaxy Our worlds in collision You say that's a phallasy It's no use sending rockets into space Hoping to meet a supreior race Most of our problems are here on Earth Our planet's still living it's our place of birth Dm G Love in space I dream of you Dm G Love in space I scream to you Dm G Love in space I cry for you Dm G Love in space I fly to you Dm G Love in space I dream of you Dm G Love in space I plead for you Dm G Love in space I sigh for you Dm G Love in space I'd die for you From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 13:32:09 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:32:09 EST Subject: Hawkwind Related - for those wiff guitars (Sea King) Message-ID: The Sea king G E F# Sinking Deeper beneath the waves G E F# Mind now resigned accepts his fate G E F# Ancient alliance creeps into his thoughts G E F# Unbid to him comes a rune once taught B C ( G-F#-A-B) Sea King B C (G-F#-G-E) Comes to him B C ( G-F#-A-B) Sea King B C (G-F#-G-E) To Save him G E F# Unsure whether he?s dreaming or dead G E F# Seeing the face that his youth has bred G E F# Slowly realizing that to him as come G E F# His ancestors ally but only to some B C ( G-F#-A-B) Sea King B C (G-F#-G-E) Comes to him B C ( G-F#-A-B) Sea King B C (G-F#-G-E) To Save Him G A E G He sees that his life is safe G A E His foe Yrkoon has failed G A E G The deed that was to finish him G A A# Has come to no avail (A# - B) B C ( G-F#-A-B) The sea king B C (G-F#-G-E) Comes to him B C ( G-F#-A-B) The Sea king B C (G-F#-G-E) to save him G E F# To his kingdom he is now bound G E F# The sea around him is his shroud G E F# Age old wisdom has set him free G E F# So to realize his destiny B C ( G-F#-A-B) The sea king B C (G-F#-G-E) Has come to him B C ( G-F#-A-B) The sea king B C (G-F#-G-E) to save him From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 23 16:00:14 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:00:14 +0000 Subject: NIK: ICU Xmas Party Message-ID: Dear All, as promised, ICU review... Steve can give you a better setlist than I can, but the rest of it, as far as we the audience knew anything, was something like this. The gig was at the LA2, where I had the unusual pleasure of being at the same gig as a friend of mine, who was there only for the support, David Devant and his Spirit Wife. He flatly refused to even entertain the possibility of staying for the main act since, as he claimed, he needed to eat, though given that it was him this seemed so heinously unlikely to be a concern that I privately concluded that what was really driving him away was that ICU were the sort of band of whom I am the only person he knows who has heard. Anyway, both of us had to sit through the support support band who were called Akira. This had not inspired me to confidence but in fact they were better than they might have been, for four sixteen year olds wanting to be somewhere between Nirvana and a kind of slow Pantera. They had several songs which made me think that their idea of what they wanted to do was very clear to them, and when and if their ability catches up with their aspirations, assuming that by that point they remain friends, in touch and the vocalist has got over Cobain (though, as I observed to Kirsten, which of us has got over Cobain, really?), they may be pretty good. I hope that they manage to get enough practice in to get a few gigs bigger than that, they handled it well. David Devant I had very little idea of, and my friend'?s informing that they were a Dadaist comedy band who played foolish rock told me nothing. What they are, by my lights, is a fearsomely tight three-piece playing from light balladry to quite intense old-style indie rock. Kind of like the Hamsters only from Islington not Essex. The comedy angle didn'?t strike me though the vocalist (a kind of weird cross between Neil Fallon and Neil Tennant, with only enough of the former to keep him interesting, the personality shifts and irony rather than the actual voice) and guitarist was clearly taking the wry view of life rather than hang himself as his world view suggested. They really were very accomplished as a band. I got the idea that they all knew exactly what The Song was like and how to make it, they were definitely three parts of a machine. I rather liked the songs too, and may have to investigate. Kirsten was more impressed than I was so she will probably do it for me however. Then at last ICU, the once-legendary punkadelic rock-and-rollers of the dying days of the punk age. Inner City Unit were the last time I saw them effectively a rhythm section and the rest of the band, and this time at first they seemed to have solved that in the worst way, by dumbing down to the drummer who is unfortunately still the weak link. But in fact they were even at that point much better rehearsed. Nik was nervous and Judge Trev seemed so as well though since he always looks as if the last blow had already just fallen it'?s hard to tell. I felt that last time they'?d winged it and beenamazed at getting away with it and this time they were having to try harder and thought they couldn?t do it. Given the which they should have put some of the more upbeat material in earlier in the set to get us moving, which did take some time and they were watching the non-responsive crowd with frozen horror for a few songs. Once they'? broken through that however they were very good. Judge Trev was playing his arse off, much more so than last time, Rick Welch (trumpet, some sort of vocals, boogie-woogie dancing) likewise, and even Steve Pond (:-)) took lead vocals and a solo on one number I didn't know, which I suspected was his, possibly new, and sounded oddly like an attempt to write a decent song on the basis of Technotronic's `No Limits' (which has of course been done by Midnight Configuration but never mind that now). I didn't? know all the material, but what I could identify broke down like this: Bones of Elvis (this was bloody good actually) Cars Eat With Autoface (much heavier than the studio version) ?Virgin Love (Trev announced it with, "?This is a song about sexual relations with young girls."?) Two Worlds (not so good this time) Remember Margate Beach Little Black Hen ? Solitary Astrid Cybernetic Love (well, this was where it got me and I was away. I think that may have helped them even as I was probably in the top four visibly reacting people. But it was great.) Gas Money (top stuff, they're just a good time rock'n'roll band really aren't they?) ? ? (a new number from Trev'?s new solo album, slow balada, has not necessarily encouraged me to get that CD) Raj Neesh (top banana) World of LSD (much better than last time but still needs Mick Stupp) Fungus Among Us (prefaced by a lengthy ramble from Nik about some new drug called GHB which he believes may be best avoided; included him claiming he didn'?t really do drugs so it may have been slightly tongue-in-cheek) Watching the Grass Grow (dedicated by Nik to, well, me actually, must have been dancing or something, very good, long break section which Dino Ferrari (drums) actually survived just about intact) ? (Steve'?s `No Liimtss? song) ? (was there a song here? My pen was dead by now but I thought they ended with something I knew... In The Nude (classic as ever) There was no encore because of a curfew at the venue. Things they did not do which surprised me by their absence: `Skinheads in Leningrad'?, `Space Invaders', `Brainstorm'. But you know, we survived. Because from `Cybernetic Love'? on this was a band again, not just the people playing songs it had been. I do want Mick Stupp back, so do they probably, but when they play Dingwall?s early next year, barring personal disasters to band-members I think it's safe to sat they'll be better than good. Mention needs also to be made of the dancer, who was very good and managed to convincingly convey everything from schoolgirl to gypsy doyenne and could also dance (though the point of the I-Dog still eludes me), and of the female vocalist and percussionist and ?Commander Jim Hawkman? (synth) both of whom could have been dispensed with with no loss to the performance at all. Sorry, but it needs to be said. Dead weight to an otherwise strong line-up (if you could get some speed into the rhythm section... but I'? lstop before I lose the good impression I want o leave the reader with.) Nik and Rick were shaking hands afterwards but the security cleared us all out, bastards, Nik was really friendly anyway. Collectors will wish to note that the merchandising stall had not only the new _Maximum Effect_ edition and the Bajina _Live in Hamburg_ CD but also all the Captain Trip Deviants and Mick Farren re-releases (except _Eating Jello_? ,if they'?ve done that yet) and the Wayne Kramer/Pink Fairies CD, and most other things in that line except actual Pink Fairies stuff including 2 Steve Took CDs, and, furthermore (mighty drum-roll) Judge Trev'?s n w_ ddo and M__n CD, and also , Kubano Kickas__o by Nik Turner?s Fantastic All-Stars on CD lovingly packaged in plain card with the title scribbled on in biro. But it'?s out. Beware ye all. This side of the Hawknexus is active. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun Dec 23 16:45:22 2001 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (KevinSommers) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:45:22 -0700 Subject: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! In-Reply-To: <200112231754.MAA20288@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: So, what is Bansai? (meaning of course that the answer to this for me is 'no'...) KevinSommers Cogito ergo sum, I think... > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Rik Rx > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:55 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! > > > Trivia Point: > > Any1 else notice that the opening 20 secs of Silver Machine > was used on last night's Bansai ! ? > > Rx > From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Dec 23 17:03:13 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:03:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/B/banzai/ I don't know if last night's was 1st or 2nd series, but in the 1st series - 1st episode IIRC - they played both Silver Machine & Don't Fear The Reaper at different times in the show. I think Silver Machine was for a pair of racing grannies. Alasdair On 23 Dec 01, at 14:45, KevinSommers wrote: > So, what is Bansai? (meaning of course that the answer to this for me is > 'no'...) > > KevinSommers > Cogito ergo sum, I think... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Rik Rx > > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:55 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! > > > > > > Trivia Point: > > > > Any1 else notice that the opening 20 secs of Silver Machine > > was used on last night's Bansai ! ? > > > > Rx > > > From coral at APORT.RU Sun Dec 23 17:54:33 2001 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alice) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:54:33 +0300 Subject: OFF: A. Wagner website Message-ID: Hello! I'm looking for Adrian Wagner website. Anyone knows..? thanks, Alisa From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sun Dec 23 18:20:09 2001 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:20:09 +0000 Subject: NIK: ICU Xmas Party In-Reply-To: <20011223210014.A6501@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:00:14 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Steve can give you a better >setlist than I can, 1. Bones of Elvis 2. Cars Eat with Autoface 3. Virgin Love 4. Two Worlds 5. Walking in the Sand 6. Dog Rot* 7. Sid's Song 8. Solitary Astrid 9. Cybernetic Love 10. Gas Money 11. Skinheads in Leningrad 12. Driving Rain 13. Raj Neesh 14. World of LSD 15. Fungus Among Us 16. Watching the Grass Grow 17. Can't get you out of my head 18. In the Nood *we somehow skipped that one.. dunno why... Jons review was interesting, bye & large I agree with it, altho there are some glaring inaccuracies.. :) we did play Skinheads in Leningrad (in the loo Jon?) and the "No Limits" style song I sang near the end was an ironic rocking version of Kylie Minogues super giant number one for weeks & weeks hit single "Can't get you out of my head".. which translates to a 2 chord thrash rather nicely methinks. :) (demo version I made for ther band to learn here: http://208.50.7.128/mp3/cant_get_you_out_of_my_head__steve_pond.mp3) Regarding "Dumbing Down" to the drummer, I agree Dino is *very* different from Mick Stupp, but he's just as fast a drummer, & he swings more, but Stupp definitely had a stronger personality & often led from the back, but he's swapped drums for the guitar & we already have 2 of those, so.. I`ve sent Dino a CD with the bits he's unfamiliar with on, so maybe he'll be more to your liking next time.. The band "feels" very much like ICU to me, I wouldn`t be in it if it didn`t, there was a time during the 1st day of rehearsals back in October when I was desperately thinking of escape excuses, but luckily things "clicked" and we're back in the saddle again.. don`t expect the set to be composed of "oldies" for much longer.. :) -S. From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 18:20:24 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:20:24 EST Subject: HW: Xmas party at the Forum Message-ID: What can I say...Yes!! best I've seen the band for many a year ...Magnu ..one of my faves..as an opener Excellent ...not this good since c86 ...Moonglum aswell wow!!...only dissapointments for me were no High rise no Ron too much Rizz but even so Best I've seen the band for a decade at least Thanx dave... keep the moptors running .. The starship is very much alive !!! From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 23 19:54:43 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:54:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: A. Wagner website In-Reply-To: <000901c18c04$ca629260$a744efc3@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: Hi Alice,,,that's it....I can't hold of the Heineken's any longer,,this mint replacement "Instincts" has been sitting at the front of the couch too long..... I hope ma's back from the headcheese processing plant with the van soon... here: http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/awagner.html I see there's a new "Ring Lords" CD...hmmmm.... I stopped at the Holy Grail one,,,,I think I offended Adrian by telling him there was a bad spot on the recording....I got a personal response back saying it was "atmosphere".... I like the "Electronic Light Orchestra" LP....aside of the usual older stuff m From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 23 19:54:23 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:54:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders In-Reply-To: <200110291730.MAA20131@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:13:40PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:13:40PM -0500, K Henderson typed out: > >hmm, I don't know why it would crash people's browsers so much, unless > >you're running an old version. Does everybody know browser updates are > >free? Just go to IE or Netscape's site and download the newest version or > >update. IE is so easy anybody could do it. > > I can't update my browser beyond Netscape 4.08. I'm too embarrassed to > admit why, so you'll have to guess, and then keep it to yourself so as not > to reveal my secret life in cyberspace. :) > > P.S. I think I'm probably the only one with this situation, so.... > hawkwind.info doesn't actually crash my 4.08 - but it is 'strange' - I > haven't checked out the 'text' version yet....I imagine that might be more > my thing. I'm stuck with Netscape 3 Gold, Keith, so think yourself not too Luddite. Why am I stuck with it? Because my computer runs Windows 3.1 with a 32-bit patch, has only 8 Mb of memory and very little hard disk. All these things but the OS will shortly be changing and then I might be able to do Netscape 4. For the meantime, I can read Mission Control all right but it's painfully slow. Many things are though. And there are Javascript errors because I only have Javascrpt 1.1 which won't swallow many bugs. So for me, Dan, browser updates aren't free because they mean hardware updates too. Sorry to burst the hypermation intersoupway bubble there. Mission Control... It should look good, of course it should; it should be space-age. It does look good, it is space-age. But getting to the information can be a pain. Especially when, as is the case with band member profiles, you discover that half the band isn't on the site and half the people on the site aren't in the band. And where do you look for news? The Captain's Log? News (you'd think so but with these other options... ) Updates? It all interlinks of course but it could be simpler. And the discography needs updating. Rik must be beginning to realise what the Coidex compilers go through :-) Yours, Jon ObCD-R: Starfield - _Return to Earth_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 23 20:09:29 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:09:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Xmas Party @ the Forum, 20/12/01 Message-ID: Dear All, and now the Hawkwind one... This was Thursday the 20th, the same day as Nik Turner has long been playing in Crewe as it happens and also the same day Gong play London which is a right cockup on someone's part. But anyway, it was their Christmas party. We got there slightly late, as the acts had started with the doors (why do the Forum do that? It's daft? The crowd can't be in by the first number even if they are very few), and caught the last two and a bit numbers by Glasgow band Mr Quimby's Beard. I've heard them compared to the Ozrics but in fact I thought they were just about carving out their own space, which was much like Hawkwind except more improvised. I say that. The interplay between the five-piece (two guitars, bass, keys, drums) did seem quite spontaneous but the actual song structures were a little bit on the familiar side. The penultimate number was Hawkwind's `The Watcher' and `Lighthouse' wrapped together. The last one, more interestingly, was `Free Fall' by Hawkwind wrapped round `Saucerful of Secrets Pt. IV' by Pink Floyd, with a very high-energy break section in the middle. But you know, I could use more of that stuff. If someone wants to jam around Hawkwind and Floyd routines in the dark and deep kind of way these guys were I will probably buy their record. I actually didn't, but that was because of money concerns and the fact that someone was telling me their records have more techno and industrial on than they were sounding. It's on the list though; definitely a good band. Tim Blake was up next, the same solo synth-and-computer set-up we're used to, but with stuff I'd not heard him do before. I had wondered beforehand if there would be any variation in set and the only ones I recognised were `Tide of the Century' and `New Jerusalem' (which he said he only did because people complained if he didn't) so that showed me. He dedicated the first song to his daughter, who was born the night after last year's Christmas do, so we all wished her Happy Birthday. He was good, as ever; poor voice but musically fine. Nothing special to report. Hawkwind were better than I have ever seen them. I know I've said this for several recent gigs but they are honestly so. Better almost every time. And moreover, and more noticeably, heavier. Not that the bass was higher in the mix but just that there seemed to be more of it. Dave was the same, Huw well up in the treble range but altogether it was thoroughly boneshaking. I suspect Simon's synth work may have been giving extra undercurrents I couldn't clearly hear. Sound was not perfect, treble a little crowded and bass indistinct, but nothing to complain of, I wasn't losing anything and Huw could be heard even though I was wrong side of the stage. Dave could be heard also, and everyone was on fine form. Simon not quite as electric as Walthamstow but as he explained his hands were too cold at the start of the set, And indeed since my breath was still streaming by the end of it they must have been bloody freezing. Played bloody well even so. Other surprises were D. T. Turbine's drum-kit on stage (made a difference did that) and Rizz not being objectionable. A long-time fan next to us greeted his arrival with the aside, "He's a strange character, isn't he?" which I thought expressed it nicely. But in fact even he had shaken his words up a bit and was actually quite effective in places. That's the important thing I think. After a tour only just finished I wasn't expecting much variation, but there were changes everywhere. Dave was playing round the riffs a bit; Huw was making unearthly noise; Alan was not only heavier but self-consciously it seemed changing bass parts and changing things, almost as if he'd heard me on-list after the RFH gig saying how he and Richard made everything sound the same. Richard, when he came back to the kit after Danny's one slot alone (see below) seemed to be paying much more attention to the bottom end and mid-range of the kit as if he'd just been reminded what rock drumming was like. Simon was playing a bit more fiddle than usual, it was in a way like everyone had got back to basics by varying the set pattern. And the parts where Tim was playing were much better than the shaky attempts to fit him in at the RFH, much better integrated, used to much more effect. Overall effect very impressive. Inspiring even. And witness the set-list! (Brock, Chadwick, Lloyd Langton, House, Thompson, Davey) Magnu -> Down Through the Night -> Horn of Fate (excellent Magnu, two drum-kits most essential but no violin because of Simon's hands, `Down Through the Night' only run through twice but excellent, heavy and Space Ritual-like, and `Horn of Fate' only really the last 16 bars but there for all that to wind it up) (+ Blake) Lighthouse (does sound better with Tim's synths, glad to have him there) Levitation (good rendition, but what made this one for me was the techno breakdown section in the middle. Usually uninteresting, this time electric. Tim and Dave played off each other like masters, each filling in the gaps in the sound where the other was improvising. Tim's percussion machinery perfectly integrated. I hadn't yet twigged to the fact that Richard also had a drum-machine and some kind of basic bass synth/beats machine set up behind the kit and that may well have been helping, but it seemed unplanned quite how far off the ground it got. Ali and Huw were left with nothing to do for several minutes before finally picking up on the beat and beginning to echo it with stings and hooks and soft strumming and that really took it off. Very high energy stuff. I was almost sorry when they eventually fell (seamlessly I might add) back into the verse. Tim and Dave must form a techno project immediately, and stop each other from committing the unexciting pieces each is capable of alone) (- Blake) Spiral Galaxy 28948 (Simon beginning to pick it up now, not much choice really given the number; good but not up to Walthamstow where it was instant transcedence) (+ Blake, - Chadwick) Moonglum (Huw not in the best voice ever but it's a top song, and Danny can actually play these days, ending with a mini-solo to show us so, indeed; Richard as I say seemed to have been paying attention) (- Blake, - Thompson, + Chadwick) Brainbox Pollution -> Wind of Change (solid, no faults, Richard being heavier than before) (+ Rizz) The Watcher (Rizz prefaced this with a short I-suppose-I-have-to- call-it-a-poem about, shockingly, a watcher, but it was over quickly and so I didn't really mind how poor it was, and the number itself was really good, heavy and menacing; Rizz went off as it got going) Spacebrock (second surprise of the night, and top track; is it just me or would this have gone perfectly on the new Bedouin album? Seemed as if not everyone knew it too well, as it ended people seemed to be playing four interlocking songs and I'm not sure who was in control, but you know, it still flew... ) (Brock solo) ?Morpheus -> Sonic Attack (at least I think that's what it must be; the rhythm synth line of the first track was from `Auctioneer' on Family Tree but the top half was new to me; however, our weathered fan companion told us it was on Memos and Demos and from reviews posted to the list I think this is the only plausible contendor; it simplified slowly into a pulsing beat and Rizz arrived on, while Dave donned glasses and found a lyric sheet, disappointing but probably a wise precaution; it was in fact a great version as Nick says, Rizz providing sneering backing lines (from the front of the stage) and by the end Messrs Thompson and Chadwick had made their ways on and were making backup percussion noises; it was now I noticed Richard's drum-machine and bass synth stuff which definitely contributed) (+ Davey, House, Lloyd Langton, - Rizz) Time We Left (This World Today) (whoa! Was I expecting this? In no way at all! It was too short! But still extremely heavy. You knew it had been there when they stopped, and Dave cycled the answer parts through in three not four as we know they're supposed to go. Hurrah!) (+ Blake) Motorway City (pretty much as we're used to though it was nice for once to be able to hear Huw's part, proper version and closing number of the main set) * (Brock, Chadwick, Davey, House, Lloyd Langton, Blake) Assassins of Allah -> Space is their Palestine -> Assassins of Allah (floaty violin and eerie synth intro, the actual song top- class, Rizz came on during `Space... ' and did his bit about the warlords of hashish but thankfully had added a couple of new lines to it which made it sound more menacing and less like he's forgotten what Hassan i Sabha's line of business other than dope was, `Space... ' generally much more live than usual, the Chadwick/Brock/Blake techno combination again very good. Bloody good version all round) (+ Thompson) Ejection (this was also excellent; they did the trance mid-section that originated with Ron but no trace of that version now remains, Ali has changed the bass-part and the vocals are gone, excellent) And with that last number the other stars of the show, the people running the lights, can't get away without being mentioned. Firstly, there were new slides, and some of the old ones back again that had gone (yay! The BIS moon landers!), all very active and dynamic and never any lack of movement. There were a couple of side screens which I was poorly positioned to see but which when active were pretty damn psychedelic too. The Elric slides had been improved on, there were extra ones elsewhere too (including some Blake paintings, which I thought was a nice touch given the line-up) and lastly and most impressively of all the cartoon bit that has been being used for `Ejection' of late was interspersed heavily with clips which appeared to be from flight tests of an ejector seat from an F-104 (D, I think; D for Deutschland). I assume it must have been a test as it was photoed from inside and out but it seemed to take off, do some flypasts and then get put into a spin and then escaped from, the last parts of which were pretty brain-twisting--not a job I'd care for! The lights were a grand and splendid experience throughout but that just utterly surprised and enthralled me. Keith, Neil and Marie all need many congratulations, Fruit Salad honestly has nothing on you. Top gig. The only thing that could have been improved was the temparature, they didn't do a thing wrong, I doubt I shall ever see them that good again. Blown away. -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Dec 23 20:10:38 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:10:38 EST Subject: OFF: Netscapeism. Message-ID: AOL uses IE, which on my machine is the 'default browser'... Earlier this year, Netscape made much noise about their Netscape 6, but there were problems, such as the screen suddenly (and frequently) going black while browsing, requiring a restart...nnnggghhh I have their mail hyping Netscape 6.1, but havent gone to get it... Now I'm using 4.6, as it was in the machine just then. Did y'all ever consider getting the Opera browser?...Said to be very fast.... Joyeux Noel, "<>" From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Mon Dec 24 04:19:15 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 03:19:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: RE: HW: Mission Control: New Orders Message-ID: > I'm stuck with Netscape 3 Gold, Keith, so think yourself not too > Luddite. Why am I stuck with it? Because my computer runs Windows 3.1 with > a 32-bit patch, has only 8 Mb of memory and very little hard disk. All > these things but the OS will shortly be changing and then I might be able > to do Netscape 4. For the meantime, I can read Mission Control all right > but it's painfully slow. Many things are though. And there are Javascript > errors because I only have Javascrpt 1.1 which won't swallow many bugs. So > for me, Dan, browser updates aren't free because they mean hardware > updates too. Sorry to burst the hypermation intersoupway bubble there. That's fine. You can use your 1994 computer all day. Just don't complain when something designed in 2001 doesn't work on it, that's all. I don't know where you live but I would think you could find somebody selling a second hand pentium 400 for about $100.00( no monitor, kb, mouse). Though you might want to squeeze a few more years out of that SX50. From EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET Mon Dec 24 05:01:51 2001 From: EJobson at THRUPOINT.NET (Jobson, Eddie) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:01:51 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Xmas Party @ the Forum, 20/12/01 Message-ID: Next question for us lightweights who didn't make it is, any decent recordings (including Blake) to trade? -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 23/12/01 20:09 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Xmas Party @ the Forum, 20/12/01 Dear All, and now the Hawkwind one... This was Thursday the 20th, the same day as Nik Turner has long been playing in Crewe as it happens and also the same day Gong play London which is a right cockup on someone's part. But anyway, it was their Christmas party. We got there slightly late, as the acts had started with the doors (why do the Forum do that? It's daft? The crowd can't be in by the first number even if they are very few), and caught the last two and a bit numbers by Glasgow band Mr Quimby's Beard. I've heard them compared to the Ozrics but in fact I thought they were just about carving out their own space, which was much like Hawkwind except more improvised. I say that. The interplay between the five-piece (two guitars, bass, keys, drums) did seem quite spontaneous but the actual song structures were a little bit on the familiar side. The penultimate number was Hawkwind's `The Watcher' and `Lighthouse' wrapped together. The last one, more interestingly, was `Free Fall' by Hawkwind wrapped round `Saucerful of Secrets Pt. IV' by Pink Floyd, with a very high-energy break section in the middle. But you know, I could use more of that stuff. If someone wants to jam around Hawkwind and Floyd routines in the dark and deep kind of way these guys were I will probably buy their record. I actually didn't, but that was because of money concerns and the fact that someone was telling me their records have more techno and industrial on than they were sounding. It's on the list though; definitely a good band. Tim Blake was up next, the same solo synth-and-computer set-up we're used to, but with stuff I'd not heard him do before. I had wondered beforehand if there would be any variation in set and the only ones I recognised were `Tide of the Century' and `New Jerusalem' (which he said he only did because people complained if he didn't) so that showed me. He dedicated the first song to his daughter, who was born the night after last year's Christmas do, so we all wished her Happy Birthday. He was good, as ever; poor voice but musically fine. Nothing special to report. Hawkwind were better than I have ever seen them. I know I've said this for several recent gigs but they are honestly so. Better almost every time. And moreover, and more noticeably, heavier. Not that the bass was higher in the mix but just that there seemed to be more of it. Dave was the same, Huw well up in the treble range but altogether it was thoroughly boneshaking. I suspect Simon's synth work may have been giving extra undercurrents I couldn't clearly hear. Sound was not perfect, treble a little crowded and bass indistinct, but nothing to complain of, I wasn't losing anything and Huw could be heard even though I was wrong side of the stage. Dave could be heard also, and everyone was on fine form. Simon not quite as electric as Walthamstow but as he explained his hands were too cold at the start of the set, And indeed since my breath was still streaming by the end of it they must have been bloody freezing. Played bloody well even so. Other surprises were D. T. Turbine's drum-kit on stage (made a difference did that) and Rizz not being objectionable. A long-time fan next to us greeted his arrival with the aside, "He's a strange character, isn't he?" which I thought expressed it nicely. But in fact even he had shaken his words up a bit and was actually quite effective in places. That's the important thing I think. After a tour only just finished I wasn't expecting much variation, but there were changes everywhere. Dave was playing round the riffs a bit; Huw was making unearthly noise; Alan was not only heavier but self-consciously it seemed changing bass parts and changing things, almost as if he'd heard me on-list after the RFH gig saying how he and Richard made everything sound the same. Richard, when he came back to the kit after Danny's one slot alone (see below) seemed to be paying much more attention to the bottom end and mid-range of the kit as if he'd just been reminded what rock drumming was like. Simon was playing a bit more fiddle than usual, it was in a way like everyone had got back to basics by varying the set pattern. And the parts where Tim was playing were much better than the shaky attempts to fit him in at the RFH, much better integrated, used to much more effect. Overall effect very impressive. Inspiring even. And witness the set-list! (Brock, Chadwick, Lloyd Langton, House, Thompson, Davey) Magnu -> Down Through the Night -> Horn of Fate (excellent Magnu, two drum-kits most essential but no violin because of Simon's hands, `Down Through the Night' only run through twice but excellent, heavy and Space Ritual-like, and `Horn of Fate' only really the last 16 bars but there for all that to wind it up) (+ Blake) Lighthouse (does sound better with Tim's synths, glad to have him there) Levitation (good rendition, but what made this one for me was the techno breakdown section in the middle. Usually uninteresting, this time electric. Tim and Dave played off each other like masters, each filling in the gaps in the sound where the other was improvising. Tim's percussion machinery perfectly integrated. I hadn't yet twigged to the fact that Richard also had a drum-machine and some kind of basic bass synth/beats machine set up behind the kit and that may well have been helping, but it seemed unplanned quite how far off the ground it got. Ali and Huw were left with nothing to do for several minutes before finally picking up on the beat and beginning to echo it with stings and hooks and soft strumming and that really took it off. Very high energy stuff. I was almost sorry when they eventually fell (seamlessly I might add) back into the verse. Tim and Dave must form a techno project immediately, and stop each other from committing the unexciting pieces each is capable of alone) (- Blake) Spiral Galaxy 28948 (Simon beginning to pick it up now, not much choice really given the number; good but not up to Walthamstow where it was instant transcedence) (+ Blake, - Chadwick) Moonglum (Huw not in the best voice ever but it's a top song, and Danny can actually play these days, ending with a mini-solo to show us so, indeed; Richard as I say seemed to have been paying attention) (- Blake, - Thompson, + Chadwick) Brainbox Pollution -> Wind of Change (solid, no faults, Richard being heavier than before) (+ Rizz) The Watcher (Rizz prefaced this with a short I-suppose-I-have-to- call-it-a-poem about, shockingly, a watcher, but it was over quickly and so I didn't really mind how poor it was, and the number itself was really good, heavy and menacing; Rizz went off as it got going) Spacebrock (second surprise of the night, and top track; is it just me or would this have gone perfectly on the new Bedouin album? Seemed as if not everyone knew it too well, as it ended people seemed to be playing four interlocking songs and I'm not sure who was in control, but you know, it still flew... ) (Brock solo) ?Morpheus -> Sonic Attack (at least I think that's what it must be; the rhythm synth line of the first track was from `Auctioneer' on Family Tree but the top half was new to me; however, our weathered fan companion told us it was on Memos and Demos and from reviews posted to the list I think this is the only plausible contendor; it simplified slowly into a pulsing beat and Rizz arrived on, while Dave donned glasses and found a lyric sheet, disappointing but probably a wise precaution; it was in fact a great version as Nick says, Rizz providing sneering backing lines (from the front of the stage) and by the end Messrs Thompson and Chadwick had made their ways on and were making backup percussion noises; it was now I noticed Richard's drum-machine and bass synth stuff which definitely contributed) (+ Davey, House, Lloyd Langton, - Rizz) Time We Left (This World Today) (whoa! Was I expecting this? In no way at all! It was too short! But still extremely heavy. You knew it had been there when they stopped, and Dave cycled the answer parts through in three not four as we know they're supposed to go. Hurrah!) (+ Blake) Motorway City (pretty much as we're used to though it was nice for once to be able to hear Huw's part, proper version and closing number of the main set) * (Brock, Chadwick, Davey, House, Lloyd Langton, Blake) Assassins of Allah -> Space is their Palestine -> Assassins of Allah (floaty violin and eerie synth intro, the actual song top- class, Rizz came on during `Space... ' and did his bit about the warlords of hashish but thankfully had added a couple of new lines to it which made it sound more menacing and less like he's forgotten what Hassan i Sabha's line of business other than dope was, `Space... ' generally much more live than usual, the Chadwick/Brock/Blake techno combination again very good. Bloody good version all round) (+ Thompson) Ejection (this was also excellent; they did the trance mid-section that originated with Ron but no trace of that version now remains, Ali has changed the bass-part and the vocals are gone, excellent) And with that last number the other stars of the show, the people running the lights, can't get away without being mentioned. Firstly, there were new slides, and some of the old ones back again that had gone (yay! The BIS moon landers!), all very active and dynamic and never any lack of movement. There were a couple of side screens which I was poorly positioned to see but which when active were pretty damn psychedelic too. The Elric slides had been improved on, there were extra ones elsewhere too (including some Blake paintings, which I thought was a nice touch given the line-up) and lastly and most impressively of all the cartoon bit that has been being used for `Ejection' of late was interspersed heavily with clips which appeared to be from flight tests of an ejector seat from an F-104 (D, I think; D for Deutschland). I assume it must have been a test as it was photoed from inside and out but it seemed to take off, do some flypasts and then get put into a spin and then escaped from, the last parts of which were pretty brain-twisting--not a job I'd care for! The lights were a grand and splendid experience throughout but that just utterly surprised and enthralled me. Keith, Neil and Marie all need many congratulations, Fruit Salad honestly has nothing on you. Top gig. The only thing that could have been improved was the temparature, they didn't do a thing wrong, I doubt I shall ever see them that good again. Blown away. -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. From nilstorgfut at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Dec 24 05:59:24 2001 From: nilstorgfut at HOTMAIL.COM (Nils Torgfut) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 05:59:24 -0500 Subject: My pages Message-ID: Soory for the no URL! My page is there : www.geocities.com/nilstorgfut/index.html Space is the deeep place! Nils From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 24 06:05:16 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:05:16 EST Subject: My pages Message-ID: In a message dated 24/12/01 9:29:48 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, nilstorgfut at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > www.geocities.com/nilstorgfut/index.html Cool site man - thank you From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 24 07:50:44 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:50:44 +0800 Subject: Seasons Greetings Message-ID: Gidday wishing you all a great day tomorrow. Hope the big bearded fellow brings ya a few goodies. Cheers Bill (and Cynthia) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 24 08:47:35 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:47:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <002701c1625b$a1748ac0$ae45efc3@ghostwheel2>; from coral@APORT.RU on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:30:22AM +0300 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:30:22AM +0300, Alice typed out: > New pack of cds will be issued with correct credits info! Hurray! Voiceprint gain a furlong or so towards the eventual goal of being as useless a bunch of cowboys as OZIT/Morpheus! What a race! It's all to play for even yet! Meanwhile, has anyone seen any trace of this new and less/more collectable issue, or was their assurance simply designed to give Mike C. palpitations? Any recent purchasers of _Yule Ritual_ care to check their copies? Yours, Jon ObCD: Ozric Tentacles - _Pungent Effulgent_ -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Dec 24 10:03:00 2001 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:03:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Xmas party Message-ID: Noone's mentioned yet the availability of a boot/desk/official recording of this reportedly great gig... Any news? Steve Litchfield From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Dec 24 11:21:42 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:21:42 -0600 Subject: HW: Yule Credits In-Reply-To: <20011224134735.E725@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Meanwhile, has anyone seen any trace of this new and less/more >collectable issue, or was their assurance simply designed to give Mike >C. palpitations? Any recent purchasers of _Yule Ritual_ care to check >their copies? Yours, Jon Hi Jon..read your review unwaveringly yesterday.....quite jealous... You do echo my sentiments on the above.....as well as the Nik Turner "supposed" repress....PLEASE tell us Andy G +scouts, etc., when the corrected versions start appearing....I have been a bit removed, but am happy to report my trusty "ally" of a shop here is reopening, so between Andy G, and they,,I can get back on track a little better..... here is some info I received yesterday, however non-exciting, or what-not,,, but I reproduce it here, and thank the supplier of knowledge... There is a new compilation CD on NMC Music Ltd. called: SOUNDHOUSE LOVE YOU 2. it means, that they will release a new Hawkwind CD and that the above Sampler is just a teaser for it. The release will be: "Codename Hawkwind" (NMC Music Ltd PILOT 33). (maybe you guys already know this..I dunno) also- there is a new 12 track sampler CDR (thanks again friend, you know who you are) -for a forthcomming Hawkwind compilation CD ROCK LEGENDS,,,,that is all I know, and will tell more when mine arrives after the holiday.... cheers and have a "lovely"? X-eve.! m c From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Dec 24 11:41:11 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:41:11 -0600 Subject: Ali Davey- "As Above, So Below" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: super,,,, for me, beats "Bedouin" CD...(Alan keeps yelling at me about how shallow I am and how his demons are on Q, but mine are blinding me,,,maybe it'll be better later after I catch up in life),,but seriously...it is great...super Bass moments of searing Rickenbacker joy ala Kilminster but with the twist... super great art Kevin (on AS ABOVE, SO BELOW), folded it open last night.....the pulsing effect on track 10 is wonderful at high volume,,,,,,,also, has version of "Sputnik Stan"... Recommended! also- great inner cover!!! m c From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Dec 24 11:15:59 2001 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:15:59 EST Subject: Happy Yuletide folks!! Message-ID: Wishing everyone on the list a happy yuletide and many Hawkwind moments from santa !! All the best and still blissed from the gig !! Alistair. From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 24 11:20:17 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:20:17 EST Subject: A BIGGGGGGGG Merry Christmas to............. Message-ID: HAWKWIND!!!! and all the gang MeRRy ChristmaS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 24 11:24:42 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:24:42 EST Subject: andddddddddddd..... Message-ID: May Jolly St NIK slipp straight down YA'LLS chimneys without getting stuck !!! ps don't forget to put those fires out in the fireplace - Santa repellant mwa haha (( You can spike santas milk now - he's done been here LoL) Head Elf Santas Workshop NthPole From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Mon Dec 24 13:22:35 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:22:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Yule Credits Message-ID: Somebody who bought Yule Ritual on any tour date should be able to answer. At the Leeds gig, early in the tour, a new batch of Yule Rituals arrived just before the end of the show. Trev Hughes and others were busy stuffing in the booklets and the inlays at the end of the show. Were these new versions or just original versions arriving to market very slowly? And a Merry Christmas (or whatever is your celebration) to everybody out there. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: Re: HW: Yule Credits > On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:30:22AM +0300, Alice typed out: > > New pack of cds will be issued with correct credits info! > > Hurray! Voiceprint gain a furlong or so towards the eventual goal > of being as useless a bunch of cowboys as OZIT/Morpheus! What a race! It's > all to play for even yet! > > Meanwhile, has anyone seen any trace of this new and less/more > collectable issue, or was their assurance simply designed to give Mike > C. palpitations? Any recent purchasers of _Yule Ritual_ care to check > their copies? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Ozric Tentacles - _Pungent Effulgent_ > -- > Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London > jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Dec 24 15:02:12 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:02:12 +0000 Subject: Nik Q&A In-Reply-To: <011001c163d6$3af6f9a0$1c97bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > I spoke with Chris at Ozit following the Greasy Truckers event at whihc, > following an audience figure of around 800-900 quoted to me it seemed that > the whole camp was quite upbeat about it. 'What next' I enquired. 'Oh, I > think we'll get out the replacement version of the '2001' CD', he replied. > 'Far be it form me to try and influence you in any way', I said,'but if you > think you are a couple of steps ahead of the game right now, then issuin g > this would take you ten steps backwards. In all honesty, you have to > remember that most of the people and retailers who bought the CD did it > without knowing the quality of the sound contained therein, which is why so > many sold, but if yuo repeat the process, I will certainly be advising > people simply not to buy it, and I imagine your sales will be a tenth of > what they were first time around, if that'. It was then suggested that the > decision was not Ozit's but Nik's so I said that, knowing they had decent > quality recordings of the Blackpool and Crewe gigs, the best thing they > could do is release a single CD of the best of those gigs and that it would > be the best backwards step known to man, to try and relaunch the '2001' CD, > so it will be extremely interesting seeing what happens next and whether the > Turner camp chooses ritual hari-kari over common sense. That would be a sensible option I think. Collector of sorts I may be but I haven't splashed out on _2001_ yet and I'm not very likely to. You know, there's all those LLG albums to get first, before I get as far as that. But the single CD `listenable' version would interest me much more. Does anyone know if they're doing anything with the (16-track analogue--quality!) reciording of Hawkestra II? Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 24 16:21:53 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:21:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! Message-ID: Yeah, and Blue Oyster Cult and Rush all featured in the same clip. All followed up by the Skids Into the Valley - unmissable stuff. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Rik Rx To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 23 December 2001 17:55 Subject: Re: HW: Silver Machine on Bansai! >Trivia Point: > >Any1 else notice that the opening 20 secs of Silver Machine >was used on last night's Bansai ! ? > >Rx > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 25 02:58:16 2001 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 00:58:16 -0700 Subject: Happy Holiday! Message-ID: May you have a wonderful celebration on this day:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Pics of Dave B and Arjen L: http://ayreon.com/webpages/news/news_1.htm I am *totally* looking forward to this Space Metal project. Karen From StevePXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 26 16:38:52 2001 From: StevePXR5 at AOL.COM (Steve Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:38:52 EST Subject: Brained Out... Message-ID: ...Total Amnesia! I hope you all had a good time too. Keep Rockin' Steve. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 27 10:55:11 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:55:11 GMT Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! In-Reply-To: Neil Ward's message of Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Ward writes: > OK, before anyone gets too steamed up, I have it on extremely good = > authority > that your messages have been heard and that this CD WILL be available = > for > passport holders too. I *knew* this would happen once I'd paid for a ticket for a gig I couldn't get to. FoFP From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 27 11:59:05 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:59:05 EST Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: In a message dated 28/12/01 2:25:36 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > OK, before anyone gets too steamed up, I have it on extremely good = > > authority > > that your messages have been heard and that this CD WILL be available = > > for > > passport holders too. When can we get em..... slobber, drool...... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 27 12:27:19 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:27:19 GMT Subject: HW: A Day in Life of a Kollektor In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:05:49 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > you can't win every time; > > When I received yet another Yuri clone today (codename hawkwind II), I > smiled upon my face and was about to put it on the shelf at its place. There > was no need to listen to it, as there was a Sabbath tribute and a Captain > Beyond tribute too in the parcel - which both should be prioritied for a > first run before another Gagarin session. I was Dancing Madly Backwards. > > But the pastoral scene had its crack; the shock hit me as hard as a falling > Metal Shield... > The place was already occupied by another copy of Codename Hawkwind Volume II. > > bummer. There's a variation on this: You're abroad. You see this item. Do you have it? Maybe, but isn't this a different colour on the LP border? Etc.... You then have to decide whether to risk missing the item, or having a dupe. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 27 12:34:17 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:34:17 GMT Subject: HW: Brock w/ Ayreon In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:45:05 -0500 Message-ID: Arjen: > I have always been a huge fan of the band Hawkwind, ever since the 70's. > Hawkwind were the inventors of 'space-rock' and they have released over a > 100 albums (including live and compilation albums) and I've collected most > of them. Now I have tried for years to get their founder member and still > the main focus of the band Dave Brock (vocals, guitars, synths) to guest on > my Ayreon albums, but never succeeded in doing so. In fact nobody has ever > succeeded in having him do a guest appearance on any rock album! Hmmmm, Dumpy's Rusty Nuts? FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 27 17:28:24 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:28:24 +0000 Subject: (Nik-HW): PXRalive In-Reply-To: ; from deltawave@METRONET.COM on Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 03:57:09AM -0600 Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 03:57:09AM -0600, mike c typed out: > ps- here's a little sommthin' for ya- UFO spam, it lays it on so thick, > it's almost as good a MM and the Megaflow...even though it's slightly > "dated" > > if you need a tie-in, I think Jon will do it- (I think) > > http://www.trufax.org/trans/orion.html Um, mentions of Wilhelm Reich? Possible tie-ins through ST37's `Section 37', which I think quotes one of the same sources? (How would you link ST37 to HW anyway? I don't know what any of the band-members' previous employments were... ) Nothing leapt out at me and yelled HW, I may have failed you Mike... > also- mentioned before - once again- Nik has the Black Metal connection > with his guesting with the Babylon Whores (thanks again to my informant) I put this point to Black Metal Baz, Cambridge Rocksoc's resident black metal expert, apropos of a conversation about _Boundalive_ by The Meads of Asphodel, and he informed me in no uncertain terms that The Babylon Whores are not black metal (tm), though he was willing to concede that they might be a bit harder than goth, which was his first alternative suggestion. It means nothing to me, any of it; but I guess they were one of the bands Nik `affected' briefly while in Finland. FWIW, yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Dec 27 18:50:31 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:50:31 -0600 Subject: (Nik-HW): PXRalive In-Reply-To: <20011227222824.A18925@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Jon,,,, well, I wasn't expecting that to bubble up the drain.....now,,, IMO- the fact that saucers are pictured on the Doremi inner sleeve prophecy does the trick.....(it's the POD PEOPLE who operate the generater) I met the ST37 guys at the Nikwind show, one of them has the Warrior box set.. apologies if I called the B. Whores Black Metal...I shall not again.,,...(not my cup of tea either, tho' some great flute in there) may all your fourth fingers stay unmutated- but it's probably much too late David Vincent From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Dec 27 18:00:31 2001 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:00:31 EST Subject: HW: Important XMAS Show Announcement - to RIK AND HW crew! Message-ID: Hope ya had snow!!! Merry Whatever, Bill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 27 18:28:34 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:28:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors In-Reply-To: <20011104085220.A15485@cugc.org>; from swann@CUGC.ORG on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:52:20AM -0500 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:52:20AM -0500, Stephen Swann typed out: > On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:46:25PM +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > I maintain, well, I have done before and look here I go again, > > that `Beat 'Em Up' is a fine song ruined by incredibly bad lyrics. At > > least I thought they were incredibly bad till I heard `I Just Like to be > > Bad' and now I yearn for the old days. But musically there's nothing wrong > > with it at all. It is the only track on CN which can be so praised, though > > in fact I would probably save `White Flags' also. > > White Flags is a pretty good pop song, though what it's doing on a BOC > album is sort of beyond me... But aren't you forgetting Perfect > Water? In spite of a couple of godawful verses ("Do you know Jacques > Cousteau? Well he said on the radio...") I think it's actually the > best and most BOC-ish tune on that album. Um, I don't *mind* `Perfect Water'. But I would have to be allowed to save a great many BOC master recordings from a fire before I'd go back to get that one. I suppose it is the `classic' track from CN but in my view (oh, is it time for this thread again already? :-) that doesnm't give it much competition. A friend of mine was recently saying how she'd very much appreciate a compilation taken solely from the last four albums. She's loth to buy any of them entire but wouldn't mind three or four tracks on each one. If I was compiling this however I wouldn't put anything off CN on there. Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 27 18:33:42 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:33:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry In-Reply-To: <001301c1654f$32ab6680$cf4f893e@default>; from dave@PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 04:38:55PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 04:38:55PM -0000, dave hall typed out: > I see from Mission Control that Jerry and Ron have not been sacked - and > that they've been asked to get back in touch. Hope they do! Um, I'm less sanguine than you are. It says that the band are "waiting for them to get in touch", which doesn't to me suggest anyone's tried to contact them... More worryingly, I heard, albeit from a source I can't check, that Jerry was taking Brock to court over royalties disagreements from _Yule Ritual_. And did I also gather correctly that the band lost the case over the Astoria gig of 2000? "Did you know, I'm actually taking out five law-suits at the moment? It's really good fun, actually, it's become my hobby... " Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Dec 27 19:52:52 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:52:52 -0600 Subject: (OFF) HW: Important XMAS /FoFP In-Reply-To: <34.202fdb08.295d020f@aol.com> Message-ID: >Hope ya had snow!!! > >Merry Whatever, >Bill I hope they didn't make a smokeball, if so... m From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 27 18:47:22 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:47:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: <004c01c1656d$96fd2e20$9846efc3@ghostwheel2>; from coral@APORT.RU on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:16:29PM +0300 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:16:29PM +0300, Alice typed out: > > Dave's comment was that Bob Calvert had written the song over 20 years ago > > about dollars & oil and it's still going on today (that's the jist of it). > > Actually, that doesn't make it relevant, does it? Unless you want to get > > into conspiracy theories, and that's *not* my glass of Coke, thanks... > > > > But, hate to be be negative...still a fantastic gig > > I agree with Dave Brock on this. It's really relevant today. And a great > song! Why should they drop this song because of recent events? Maybe Ali > should turned from Islam then? Well, let's look at two points of view. A member of a newsgroup I make it to occasionally said in a thread on the WTC attacks that he'd really like everyone to let itr drop for a bit as he'd known someone on the secodn plane to hit and had thus seen that friend's death televised about a hundred times just lately and was not doing well with it. So maybe singing songs glorifying Arabic murderers and terrorists could be tactless. On the other hand, let's take the viewpoint of Bob Calvert, who penned the song right after the Black September attacks and was performing it within a few months of them, no? Presumably feeling that there was something to say. I started off with the first point of view and came round to the second. If it was OK to sing it in 1976 it's OK to sing it now. The only reason why not might be that that Bernhard gave, to wit, that they haven't not sung it for fifteen years, and none of the stuff they've written in that time has been in the setlists. My only real problem with it is that there really *was* any useful comparison between Hassan i Sabha and al-Qaeda then it would just be Bush and possibly Blair that were dead, or their more intelligent functionaries, and not thousands of people who were naff-all to do with US policy in the Middle East or wherever except as pencil-pushers to the money-men. But hell, it's a good song. > HW is a band of freedom and they should do what they want. Except for Nik, Jerry and Ron obviously. Who told them they were Hawkwind anyway, hey? Yours, Jon (fortified with politics and irony) -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 27 18:50:41 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:50:41 +0000 Subject: HW, NIK:Nikturner.com In-Reply-To: <005001c16575$a24822a0$9560893e@default>; from dave@PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:14:03PM -0000 Message-ID: On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:14:03PM -0000, dave hall typed out: > Having just visited this site to see what the Thunder Rider is up to I'm > pleased to see that ICU are gigging. Hopefully they'll make it to > Glasgow. I admit I did smirk to myself when reading the decription of > Hawkestra 2001 i.e. the X-In Search OfSpace years, the Calvert years, > more recent times, and so on. Dave doesn't get a mention by the way, may > be that it should read the Dave Brock years 1969 - onwards. Just having > a laugh!! Arf Arf. Let me just play Nik's advocate here... But, Dave Brock's been in all the line-ups, but they don't all sound the same so he's no use to try and periodise the band really, is he? And let's be fair to Nik, there's no Nik Turner years section either :-) Yours, Jon -- Jonathan Jarrett Birkbeck College, London jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------- "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." (Tom Waits) From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 04:04:55 2001 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:04:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Jarrett" > Um, I'm less sanguine than you are. It says that the band are > "waiting for them to get in touch", which doesn't to me suggest anyone's > tried to contact them... More worryingly, I heard, albeit from a source I > can't check, that Jerry was taking Brock to court over royalties > disagreements from _Yule Ritual_. And did I also gather correctly that the > band lost the case over the Astoria gig of 2000? Why spread a story that you can't authenticate? The downside of being fans rather than casual listeners is that we tend to want all the background stuff as well as the music..and discover our heroes are just like anybody else. Why are we surprised? Why is it anything at all to do with us? Not a single other member of Hawkwind (in my opinion) could have done what DB has achieved over the last 30 years. Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > "Did you know, I'm actually taking out five law-suits at the > moment? It's really good fun, actually, it's become my hobby... " A Calvert quote I think. Ian From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 28 04:34:20 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:34:20 EST Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: In a message dated 28/12/01 7:28:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > The downside of being fans rather than casual listeners is that we tend to > want all the background stuff as well as the music..and discover our heroes > are just like anybody else. Why are we surprised? Why is it anything at all > to do with us? Not a single other member of Hawkwind (in my opinion) could > have done what DB has achieved over the last 30 years. > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > Well put.... It's all about the music ... that is the spirit that brings us together ... and Dave is the catalyst who keeps it all together... there is no denying the collective talent that sparks the creative muse Hawkwind ... the music ... is beautiful that is what matters .... Mb From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 04:46:09 2001 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:46:09 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W Blackman" > In a message dated 28/12/01 7:28:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > > The downside of being fans rather than casual listeners is that we tend to > > want all the background stuff as well as the music..and discover our heroes > > are just like anybody else. Why are we surprised? Why is it anything at all > > to do with us? Not a single other member of Hawkwind (in my opinion) could > > have done what DB has achieved over the last 30 years. > > > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most > > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > > > Well put.... > > It's all about the music ... that is the spirit that brings us together ... > and Dave is the catalyst who keeps it all together... > there is no denying the collective talent that sparks the creative muse > Hawkwind ... the music ... is beautiful > that is what matters .... > > Mb Thanks, Michael. I think that all DB owes us is the best possible music by gathering together the best possible line-up: 2001 Winter Tour...Mission Achieved! Ian From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Fri Dec 28 05:15:09 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:15:09 -0600 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: > > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most > > > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... Is it true most ex-hawks have a hatred for Dave? I hadn't heard that before. Seems like the better known ex-hawks don't hate him. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 06:39:00 2001 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (dave hall) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:39:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: Envy, and stronger perhaps, of talent and drive. That's why people like Lemmy don't dis him. Reminds me of a Pete Best situation. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 28 December 2001 10:20 Subject: Re: HW: Ron and Jerry >> > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most >> > > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > >Is it true most ex-hawks have a hatred for Dave? I hadn't heard that >before. Seems like the better known ex-hawks don't hate him. > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 28 07:46:58 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:46:58 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Xmas Party @ the Forum, 20/12/01 In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > Tim and Dave must form a techno project immediately, > and stop each other from committing the unexciting pieces each > is capable of alone) Yes! Yes! YES!!!! With Richard, they could produce a truly amazing album. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 28 08:06:21 2001 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:06:21 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:47:22 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > Well, let's look at two points of view. A member of a newsgroup I > make it to occasionally said in a thread on the WTC attacks that he'd > really like everyone to let itr drop for a bit as he'd known someone on > the secodn plane to hit and had thus seen that friend's death televised > about a hundred times just lately and was not doing well with it. So maybe > singing songs glorifying Arabic murderers and terrorists could be > tactless. Glorifying? Calvert is quite clearly being ironic in his lyrics. > My only real problem with it is that there really *was* any useful > comparison between Hassan i Sabha and al-Qaeda then it would just be Bush > and possibly Blair that were dead, or their more intelligent > functionaries, and not thousands of people who were naff-all to do with US > policy in the Middle East Hmmmm. OK, so someone, who may or may not be inspired by Al Queda, the Pakistani Secret Services or other bogeymen du jour hits the Indian Parliament. They fuck up enough to just manage to kill cops, but the intent was clearly to hit the guys at the top rather than a bunch of citizens guilty of little more than paying taxes. Result: Two nuclear armed powers lining up their armies, air forces and nukes along their joint borders and brown underpants amongst everyone who has diplomatoc experience of both countries. I don't actually expect it to get that far just because Bush, Blair et al are pleading for sanity to reign but one leetle mistake in that powderkeg of generational distrust and so many taxpayers will fry that 9/11 will look like a match striking. FoFP From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 07:23:23 2001 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:23:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" > > > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most > > > > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > > Is it true most ex-hawks have a hatred for Dave? I hadn't heard that > before. Seems like the better known ex-hawks don't hate him. > I didn't put it *that* strong, Dan, or at least didn't mean to. But there has always been bitching and moaning from x-members (maybe Nik is most vocal) and I think my point is valid. Ian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 28 08:38:31 2001 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:38:31 EDT Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry In-Reply-To: <001801c18fad$4f64ba00$f2a7883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > > > > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And > > > > > most X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > > > > > Is it true most ex-hawks have a hatred for Dave? I hadn't heard > > that before. Seems like the better known ex-hawks don't hate him. The guys that have been successful on their own, c.f. Lemmy, don't have anything to whine about. The guys going nowhere have more time on their hands for grinding axes... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 28 10:00:27 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:00:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon Message-ID: JJ says in some language that resembles English... :) > On the other hand, let's take the viewpoint of Bob Calvert, who >penned the song right after the Black September attacks and was performing >it within a few months of them, no? Presumably feeling that there was >something to say. I started off with the first point of view and came >round to the second. If it was OK to sing it in 1976 it's OK to sing it >now. The only reason why not might be that that Bernhard gave, to wit, >that they haven't not sung it for fifteen years, and none of the stuff >they've written in that time has been in the setlists. Munich Olympics were in 1972, not 1976, I'm pretty sure. So there was roughly four years there in between. Grakkl (FAA) From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 13:56:54 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:56:54 +0000 Subject: HW: St. Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track Message-ID: Hi All, I have a recording of HW at St. Albans, June 1989 sitting on my hard drive which I am trying to bash into reasonable shape. I am stuck on track 3 and simply can't identify it even though I am sure I have heard it before. It is played between Down Through The Night and Time We Left. Does anyone have the track list from this tour or did it vary a lot? The recording has some major audio problems but it was actually quite an interesting gig with a good set list - also including a performance of Damage of Life which I think was quite rare. Anyway, if anyone knows this mystery track and can tell me which album it is on, please let me know! Also, are there any other recordings of this gig or from the tour out there (mine is pretty low grade)? Thanks in advance, Mark From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Dec 28 14:08:06 2001 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:08:06 -0000 Subject: HW: St. Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track Message-ID: That would be Treadmill I guess, they played that in a sequence with Down Through The Night and Time Left at most gigs that year. You can find it on the Palace Springs album. Cheers, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Edmonds" To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: HW: St. Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track > Hi All, > > I have a recording of HW at St. Albans, June 1989 sitting on my hard > drive which I am trying to bash into reasonable shape. I am stuck on > track 3 and simply can't identify it even though I am sure I have heard > it before. It is played between Down Through The Night and Time We Left. > > Does anyone have the track list from this tour or did it vary a lot? > > The recording has some major audio problems but it was actually quite an > interesting gig with a good set list - also including a performance of > Damage of Life which I think was quite rare. > > Anyway, if anyone knows this mystery track and can tell me which album > it is on, please let me know! > > Also, are there any other recordings of this gig or from the tour out > there (mine is pretty low grade)? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Dec 28 14:11:41 2001 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:11:41 -0000 Subject: HW: St. Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track In-Reply-To: Message-ID: probably Treadmill. Alasdair On 28 Dec 01, at 18:56, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a recording of HW at St. Albans, June 1989 sitting on my hard > drive which I am trying to bash into reasonable shape. I am stuck on > track 3 and simply can't identify it even though I am sure I have heard > it before. It is played between Down Through The Night and Time We Left. > > Does anyone have the track list from this tour or did it vary a lot? > > The recording has some major audio problems but it was actually quite an > interesting gig with a good set list - also including a performance of > Damage of Life which I think was quite rare. > > Anyway, if anyone knows this mystery track and can tell me which album > it is on, please let me know! > > Also, are there any other recordings of this gig or from the tour out > there (mine is pretty low grade)? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark > From bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Dec 28 14:13:50 2001 From: bernhard.pospiech at T-ONLINE.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:13:50 +0100 Subject: HW: St. Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark At 18:56 28.12.2001 +0000, you wrote: >I have a recording of HW at St. Albans, June 1989 sitting on my hard >drive which I am trying to bash into reasonable shape. I am stuck on >track 3 and simply can't identify it even though I am sure I have heard >it before. It is played between Down Through The Night and Time We Left. > >Does anyone have the track list from this tour or did it vary a lot? > >The recording has some major audio problems but it was actually quite an >interesting gig with a good set list - also including a performance of >Damage of Life which I think was quite rare. > >Anyway, if anyone knows this mystery track and can tell me which album >it is on, please let me know! > >Also, are there any other recordings of this gig or from the tour out >there (mine is pretty low grade)? Here are all recordings from this tour I have The mystery track you are looking for is TREADMILL to be found on PALACE SPRINGS 02.06.1989, ST. ALBANS, CITY HALL, 80 intro / brainstorm / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / damage of life / arrival in utopia / only dreaming / damnation alley / right stuff / ejection / lost chronicles 03.06.1989, WOOLWICH, CORONET, 80 intro / brainstorm / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / damage of life / arrival in utopia / only dreaming / damnation alley / right stuff / ejection / lost chronicles 07.06.1989, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY, 80 intro / brainstorm / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / damage of life / arrival in utopia / only dreaming / damnation alley / right stuff / ejection / lost chronicles 08.06.1989, WORTHING, ASSEMBLY HALL, 80 intro / brainstorm / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / damage of life / arrival in utopia / only dreaming / damnation alley / right stuff / ejection / lost chronicles 09.06.1989, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL, 80 intro / brainstorm / down through the night / treadmill / time we left / hassan i sahba / assault & battery / golden void / back in the box / damage of life / arrival in utopia / only dreaming / damnation alley / right stuff / ejection / lost chronicles cheers Bernhard From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 28 14:49:51 2001 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:49:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry In-Reply-To: <000601c18f84$7d7a32e0$f3b7883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > > > In a message dated 28/12/01 7:28:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > > mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > > > > > The downside of being fans rather than casual listeners is that we tend > to > > > want all the background stuff as well as the music..and discover our > heroes > > > are just like anybody else. Why are we surprised? Why is it anything at > all > > > to do with us? Not a single other member of Hawkwind (in my opinion) > could > > > have done what DB has achieved over the last 30 years. Well, yes. But on the other hand, whether people are likely to rejoin the band might be of interest to listeners, don't you think? > Thanks, Michael. I think that all DB owes us is the best possible music by > gathering together the best possible line-up: 2001 Winter Tour...Mission > Achieved! Really? I've heard (and read) a number of people expressing that this year's Christmas Party was the best gig they've ever been to. I miss Ron. If I were old enough, I'd miss Bob. YES, the current line-up is great, it's nice to imagine the band playing together, writing new material and [perhaps gelling in a way you can;'t quite if you're changing line-ups all the time. But it's not my fantasy Hawkwind, and I'd be surprised if it were many others This last gig in particular, well, it was good, but there was still time I spent standing around thinking 'What's going on, when's something going to happen?' Now, that may be me, it might not be the band at all. Spacebrock, for example, to me, sounds like a ground bass with no melody. It doesn't seem to have a purpose - with ron's Moneytree words, well, it got somewhere. It wasn't a boatless anchor. I don't understand Dave's solo work, and maybe that's my fault and maybe because I can't reach it is no reason why it should all be regarded as bad. No, not maybe, definitely. However, counting those bits aside, I've heard better Levitations, for example. Or Brainbox Pollutions. I've never heard Sonic Attack performed even half as well, otoh. What I'm getting at is, yes, I enjoy Hawkwind gigs. That's why I go to them, in preference to other things, other bands, whatever, *BUT* I don';t see why the last was so special People are differnet, I guess. Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti nina mashine fedha From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 28 17:37:44 2001 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:37:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: >From: Kirsten Procter >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Ron and Jerry >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:49:51 +0000 > >On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael W Blackman" > > > > > > > In a message dated 28/12/01 7:28:17 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > > > mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > > > > > > > > > The downside of being fans rather than casual listeners is that we >tend > > to > > > > want all the background stuff as well as the music..and discover our > > heroes > > > > are just like anybody else. Why are we surprised? Why is it anything >at > > all > > > > to do with us? Not a single other member of Hawkwind (in my opinion) > > could > > > > have done what DB has achieved over the last 30 years. > >Well, yes. But on the other hand, whether people are likely to rejoin >the band might be of interest to listeners, don't you think? > > > > Thanks, Michael. I think that all DB owes us is the best possible music >by > > gathering together the best possible line-up: 2001 Winter Tour...Mission > > Achieved! > > > Really? I've heard (and read) a number of people expressing that this >year's Christmas Party was the best gig they've ever been to. I miss >Ron. If I were old enough, I'd miss Bob. YES, the current line-up is >great, it's nice to imagine the band playing together, writing new >material and [perhaps gelling in a way you can;'t quite if you're >changing line-ups all the time. But it's not my fantasy Hawkwind, and >I'd be surprised if it were many others > > This last gig in particular, well, it was good, but there was still >time I spent standing around thinking 'What's going on, when's >something going to happen?' Now, that may be me, it might not be the >band at all. Spacebrock, for example, to me, sounds like a ground bass >with no melody. It doesn't seem to have a purpose - with ron's >Moneytree words, well, it got somewhere. It wasn't a boatless >anchor. I don't understand Dave's solo work, and maybe that's >my fault and maybe because I can't reach it is no reason why it should >all be regarded as bad. No, not maybe, definitely. However, counting >those bits aside, I've heard better Levitations, for example. Or >Brainbox Pollutions. I've never heard Sonic Attack performed even half >as well, otoh. What I'm getting at is, yes, I enjoy Hawkwind >gigs. That's why I go to them, in preference to other things, other >bands, whatever, *BUT* I don';t see why the last was so special >People are differnet, I guess. > > Kirsten >-- >Kirsten Procter >ghoti >nina mashine fedha Brock is the hub of the wheel that holds the spokes in place spokes come loose, that's life They are all (maybe Calvert is the exception) replaceable But if the hub crumbles the wheel collapses Hawkwind are no more Long live Brock p.s my fantasy line up: Brock Bainbridge Davey Calvert Lloyd Langton House Chadwick But any line up is better than none _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Dec 28 18:23:49 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:23:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Swindon/taxes Message-ID: Right then,i'm not paying my taxes anymore.(another bullet dodged-whew) tim > I don't actually expect it to get that far just because Bush, Blair et > al are pleading for sanity to reign but one leetle mistake in that > powderkeg of generational distrust and so many taxpayers will fry that > 9/11 will look like a match striking. > > FoFP From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Fri Dec 28 18:38:12 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0500 Subject: COtHM Message-ID: A-HA...just checking out the latest update from and lo & behold in their top 25 from 2001...COtHM with the following quote `BOC returns to their classic sound without missing a beat!' pretty cool,eh tim From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 28 18:47:01 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:47:01 EST Subject: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever Message-ID: In a message dated 29/12/01 9:19:29 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > p.s my fantasy line up: Brock > Bainbridge > Davey > Calvert > Lloyd Langton > House > Chadwick > But any line up is better than none Same here with : Ron Tree ... AND ... Keith Kniveton and I love what Tim Blake did on Levetation So for the oz tour the dream line up would be Dave Brock Harvey Bainbridge Alan Davey Lloyd Langton Simon House Richard Chadwick Ron Tree Keith Kniveton Tim Blake Jerry Richards Kris and the fire show could be expensive tho ;>) - airfares etc From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Dec 28 20:10:10 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Farty Bunclap) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:10 -0600 Subject: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever In-Reply-To: <180.16ffeb7.295e5e75@aol.com> Message-ID: >could be expensive tho ;>) - airfares etc you don't REALLY believe their going to OZ do you?? I mean REALLY believe it?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA From richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 28 19:02:04 2001 From: richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM (Richard Graham) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:02:04 +0000 Subject: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever Message-ID: >From: Michael W Blackman >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:47:01 EST > >In a message dated 29/12/01 9:19:29 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, >richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > > p.s my fantasy line up: Brock > > Bainbridge > > Davey > > Calvert > > Lloyd Langton > > House > > Chadwick > > But any line up is better than none > >Same here with : Ron Tree ... AND ... >Keith Kniveton >and I love what Tim Blake did on Levetation > >So for the oz tour the dream line up would be > Dave Brock > Harvey Bainbridge > Alan Davey > Lloyd Langton > Simon House > Richard Chadwick > Ron Tree > Keith Kniveton > Tim Blake > Jerry Richards > Kris and the fire show >could be expensive tho ;>) - airfares etc any donations gratefully accepted----some hope _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 28 19:03:18 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:03:18 EST Subject: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever Message-ID: In a message dated 29/12/01 10:31:26 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > you don't REALLY believe their going to OZ do you?? I mean REALLY believe > it?? > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA > begone - spawn of cyril LoL From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 28 19:07:05 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:07:05 EST Subject: HW: depositing another 2 cents(pence)whatever Message-ID: In a message dated 29/12/01 10:33:34 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, richjan60 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > any donations gratefully accepted----some hope It'll be a huge success - I can feel it in mah bonez HawkwinD!!!! ... HawkwinD!!!!! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 28 19:28:10 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:28:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium In-Reply-To: <200111080623.BAA11677@mail6.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, K Henderson wrote: > Alex asked... > > >Anyone know if Porcupine Tree is still with Delerium Records? > > Um, no...they left Delerium three albums ago, if you count "Recordings" as a > 'third' official Snapper release. "Stupid Dream" and "Dimbulb Sun" were > both on Snapper also. > > Delerium is still releasing old PT material though, like the Voyage 34 disc > and a compilation of everything up to Signify. The odd thing is that that compilation is now coming out on Snapper. I guess this was part of a quid pro quo for canning the live album that was to be. > > >Subsidiary question: whatever happened to Delerium's website? > >www.delerium.co.uk redirects me to the Freak Emporium??? > > I dunno, though I've never thought there was much difference between the two > - perhaps they just consolidated the label website with the mail order > website, though I would think that would be rather weird. There's no sign of it there, which made me think when I first noticed it that the label had finally died. And yet: they have a CD version of PT's _Metanoia_ coming out. OK it's a guaranteed seller unlike much of their other stuff but I honestly did think they'd entirely given up. The last mail I sent them got redirected to the Porcupine Tree management (which giuven that what it asked was "Are any Delerium acts other than PT cureently bookable?" wasn't much help. I don't suppose we'll saee anything else from them however as all their good bands seem to have found new labels (Electric Orange, On Trial... ) > P.S. I e-mailed Record Heaven not long ago asking about the supposed > release of DarXtar's 'Tombola' on their label (which wasn't mentioned on > their website or anywhere else from what I could tell), and got no answer. > What the hell is the deal with that album anyway?!?! It's like it was > recorded in the pages of a Douglas Adams book or something. Certainly > there's some non-zero probability that it actually exists, isn't there? Allegedly now out though I have no idea whether Record Heaven's at-best under-informative website admits this. Has anyone got it yet? Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Dec 28 20:38:19 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:38:19 -0600 Subject: (OFF) HW: depositing poopie on the bandwith (NOT HW!!) In-Reply-To: <15a.674101a.295e6246@aol.com> Message-ID: Mb-:) >begone - spawn of cyril- >LoL relaxx,,, they're gonna make your hair stand straight up......like a static machine. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 28 19:41:03 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:41:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Nic Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, mike c wrote: > <<"Two LPs? What/when was the one that wasn't _Blue Zone_?">>Jon J > > Hi Jon, apparently it's a bunch of them- if this is wrong please correct- > > Mountain Music, Sketches In Sound, Dreams In View (a comp, I think), The > Blue Zone, The Blue Zone Party-live at the dome, and The Long Hello Volume > 2.... > > I can imagine he plays on just the odd track here and there- any expanding > on the above appreciated..... Expansion: I can't find evidence that he's on more than: _Blue Zone_, and _Mountain Music_ which is from 1984 and is by Nic Potter & Guy Evans, though _DReams in View_ which is indeed a comp. contains some of this stuff. Connections rife however as not only is Nik on an album with Guy Evans too (not this one), but among other people who've played with Nic Potter appear to be Snowy White who played on the Deep Fix album. And if Allmusic.com isn't badly confused it suggests Potter played bass on a couple of Chuck Berry live LPs?! That would be a neat little connection... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 28 19:40:11 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:40:11 EST Subject: (OFF) HW: depositing poopie on the bandwith (NOT HW!!) Message-ID: In a message dated 29/12/01 10:59:02 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > relaxx,,, > > they're gonna make your hair stand straight up......like a static machine. > koool m'yaaaaaaannnnnnnnn "poopie"?? is that like a form of currrecny m'yannnnnnnn kinda grabs you by the booboo don't it From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 28 19:48:32 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:48:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Del Dettmar In-Reply-To: <3BED9F64.68283414@hawklord.uklinux.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Chris Gibbs wrote: > I just got a copy of "Halfway Start" by Del. > > Does anyone have any clues about this? Like when it was done, did it > come out on vynal? > What are the three tracks called? Does it matter what they are > called? Has listening to it permanently damaged my sanity? This is completely unknown to me, and if anyone's able to answer these questions I too would welcome it (no-one did, did they, while I wasn't looking? I hope I'd have noticed, but... ) > Its the only piece of music(?) I know of that seems to have a psycho > active effect, and it works on dogs too! Put us all in a trance it > did. The marvels of the Delatron... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 28 20:06:42 2001 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:06:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung MP3's In-Reply-To: <200111141235.HAA05798@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Nick Medford wrote: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:09:42 -0500, K Henderson > wrote: > > >can be found here.... > > > >http://www.krautrocknet.com/autobahn/mp3autobahn3.htm > I'd never heard of Farflung before I joined this list. After seeing them > mentioned repeatedly I checked out some MP3's on mp3.com and was > sufficiently impressed to hunt down a copy of "So Many Minds.." which > finally arrived a few days ago. It's excellent, a high-power fusion of > krautrock rhythms and Sabbath-style rifferama, definitely the rawer end of > the spacerock spectrum. Two minor gripes: their cover of "Future Days" > isn't up to much IMHO - surprised they chose that one, it doesn't really > suit their style- I can imagine them doing "Yoo Doo Right" -although > everyone does that one I guess- or maybe "Full Moon On The Highway". But > tamper with the classics at your peril, oh ye who are young and headstrong. > The other criticism - why do they insist on having the vocals so low down > in the mix? It's not a bad little gimmick at first but on the more song- > based pieces it seems a waste to have barely audible vox, especially when > the lyrics are not bad (high praise from me) in a weird space UFO mythology > kind of way. The one piece of Farflung I don't have, that disk, a collection of bits but still, it would seem, quite good. I think Tommy has his vocals low down in the mix because he can't sing, personally, but that my be harsh. I don't think their stuff is supposed to be vocals-led and Tommy's voice really isn't strong enough to carry it if it were. But he can do low growling horromovie menace well enough :-) > Anyway, griping aside, it's an excellent CD. "Raven That Ate The Moon" is > stunning in its full-length form: I'd only heard a truncated 4 minute MP3 > before. And "Mother Orbis" is some of the best space/kraut jamming I've > heard. Do they ever play in the UK? Never so far, to my knowledge, though I believe Anubian Lights have done club dates in Germany? > Also, whenever FF are mentioned here, people who like them make reference > to some 25 minute track that should be avoided at all costs. This of course > makes me want to hear it. What is it and why does it fill you all with > horror? Ah... that (I seem to remember somebody explained this but I'll do it again anyway) is a hidden track on the end of the _The Raven That Ate The Moon_ album. It is a tinny circus-music like synth loop (I think it's a loop; I *hope* it's a loop, it would be terrible to think someone actually played that for twenty-five minutes, but on the other hand I've never quite worked out where the loop is, it seems to vary slightly... ) overlaid with occasional space guitar noise. It has, um, no apparent merit. As a fade-out it wouldn't be bad but twenty-five minutes is a long fade-out. In the band's defence, that may never have been intended to be there; the mastering and pressing were done almost without band input which is why anyone who has that album is faced with four indexed tracks, six track titles on the sleeve, and references in the credits to tracks 7 & 8 without titles for them. I did once mail the then-bass player, Buck McGibbony to find out what the hell went on with it but he wouldn't tell me how it was supposed to be. Which brings me to my own question: who is Farflung now? The line-up on the live CD-R has me confused. Genas and Gammaknife I can place, except that I thought Gammaknife was Brandon la Belle and one Brandon is also listed... and who are Scott and Dix? What happened to Michael Esther? Who plays what in the new ensemble? And what's the line-up on _Myth of Solid Ground_? Or indeed today? Doug, you know this kind of thing... Yours, Jon -- "I recognise that I have transgressed many of the precepts of the divine law, and that I am subjected by various vices and iniquities, disobedient to the words of the divine mystery brought unto me and a worshipper of the delights of this military age." Marquis Borrell of Barcelona, 955 A.D. (Jonathan Jarrett, Birkbeck College London) From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Dec 28 21:20:18 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:20:18 -0600 Subject: HW: Nic Potter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Expansion: I can't find evidence that he's on more than: _Blue >Zone_, and _Mountain Music_ which is from 1984 and is by Nic Potter & Guy >Evans, though _DReams in View_ which is indeed a comp. contains some of >this stuff. Connections rife however as not only is Nik on an album with >Guy Evans too (not this one), but among other people who've played with >Nic Potter appear to be Snowy White who played on the Deep Fix album. And >if Allmusic.com isn't badly confused it suggests Potter played bass on a >couple of Chuck Berry live LPs?! That would be a neat little >connection... Yours, Jon Hi again Jon + HWoscopic minds- my info came from Adrian (Age) Parr's original discography book (the blue one),,I personally own the ones mentioned above (including the comp.) but indeed there are errors within, so maybe it's bogus????? ps-(personal blab) I enjoy the way you go through the archives - appreciated that you even set an eye on that UFO nutlink- kind of "zany" (in a good way) to see old stuff again m From Warren_Oates at MSN.COM Fri Dec 28 21:50:00 2001 From: Warren_Oates at MSN.COM (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:50:00 -0600 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Witt" > > > > > > Isn't it funny? Most X-Hawkwind want to slag the guy off. And most > > > > > X-Hawkwind members would rejoin tomorrow if asked.... > > > > > > Is it true most ex-hawks have a hatred for Dave? I hadn't heard that > > before. Seems like the better known ex-hawks don't hate him. > > > I didn't put it *that* strong, Dan, or at least didn't mean to. But there > has always been bitching and moaning from x-members (maybe Nik is most > vocal) and I think my point is valid. I think "slag the guy off" must be more of a UK term. I thought it sounded like people were really ripping him to shreds. I guess I haven't heard anything(that I recall) about Nik saying bad things. If he's the most vocal, I must really be in the clouds. I'll have to search the archives and see what I can find out. Got my Yule Ritual from Amazon.com today! From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sat Dec 29 00:46:22 2001 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:46:22 +0800 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: > p.s my fantasy line up: Brock > Bainbridge > Davey > Calvert > Lloyd Langton > House > Chadwick Well, Calvert can't possibly complete your fantasy. You're nearly there! I'd add Captain Bl at ck to your line up to be completely happy. Cheers Bill From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sat Dec 29 10:16:30 2001 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:16:30 -0500 Subject: Nic Potter Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 12/29/01 -0500, Jon & Mike wrote: > >> Expansion: I can't find evidence that he's on more than: _Blue >>Zone_, and _Mountain Music_ which is from 1984 and is by Nic Potter & Guy >>Evans, though _DReams in View_ which is indeed a comp. contains some of >>this stuff. Connections rife however as not only is Nik on an album with >>Guy Evans too (not this one), but among other people who've played with >>Nic Potter appear to be Snowy White who played on the Deep Fix album. And >>if Allmusic.com isn't badly confused it suggests Potter played bass on a >>couple of Chuck Berry live LPs?! That would be a neat little >>connection... Yours, > Jon > > >Hi again Jon + HWoscopic minds- > >my info came from Adrian (Age) Parr's original discography book (the blue >one),,I personally own the ones mentioned above (including the comp.) but >indeed there are errors within, so maybe it's bogus????? Actually, I can confirm that it is correct for at least one album - The London Chuck Berry Sessions released by Chess Records - a copy of which just happens to reside in my old LP collection. The first side of the album is all studio tracks with side two being all live "recorded during performance at the Lanchester Arts Festival, Coventry, England." Nic Potter is credited as playing bass for the live performances. No specific date is given for the live performances, but the album is copyrighted 1972. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Dec 29 15:51:55 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:51:55 -0600 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: used the above for a "chaser" to Dave Brock "Memo's and Demo's" last night.... it worked.(I mean IT REALLY WORKED, I could have known by the little "domed POD craft" on the back.(Thanks Andy)(sorting out a credit card-I'll be back in a minute) The Brock CD sure is recommended for anyone who hasn't had it on holiday... and for (insert your name) the friend that called last nite and interrupted the Brock jam- sorry I was so drunken mushmouthed I am beginning the process as of yesterday what's up? m From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 29 15:08:10 2001 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:08:10 +0000 Subject: HW: St Albans, June 2, 1989 Mystery Track Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. *slaps forehead in disgust* I checked virtually EVERYTHING except Palace Springs as I was looking for a studio version and was convinced it was a Dave Brock solo track. Anyway, just shows how well I know the GWR albums. Cheers, Mark From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 29 15:12:17 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:12:17 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet Message-ID: In a message dated 30/12/01 6:12:34 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > and for (insert your name) the friend that called last nite and interrupted > the Brock jam- sorry I was so drunken mushmouthed > > I am beginning the process as of yesterday > > what's up? > we are watching you earthling From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Dec 29 16:46:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:46:04 -0600 Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >we are watching you earthling Oh your just saying that cause you like my sexy hairy shoulders and my sealed Business Trips (blush) m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 29 15:38:50 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:38:50 EST Subject: (off) Anubian Lights remixes (96-99)-since it's quiet Message-ID: In a message dated 30/12/01 7:07:26 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Oh your just saying that cause you like my sexy hairy shoulders and my > sealed Business Trips (blush) > you got trips m'yannnnnnn? From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Dec 29 18:02:44 2001 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:02:44 -0000 Subject: SHield Message-ID: Wey hey - ambled into HMV on Oxford Street this afternoon looking for Gong, noticed the HW shield and am now the proud possessor #223 our of 500. What a great belated Xmas prezzie. --- Kevin Perry The Mountain Grill http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Dec 29 20:59:26 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:59:26 -0600 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: Not sure if this has been covered yet here ... Sent this message to the e-Prog mailing list too. Finally saw "Lord of the Rings" last night. Not bad. OK ... How many prog bands/songs/sites were mentioned in the movie??? So far, I've found: Rivendell http://fly.to/rivendell The Mines of Moria http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/118/the_moor_-_every_pixie_sel.html Isildur (Isildur's Bane) http://www.isildursbane.se/ Galadriel (Spain) http://gepr.net/ga.html#GALADRIEL Aragon? No, guess it was Aragorn. ;) Aragorn: Viggo Mortensen There has to be more. Here's the imdb link: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0120737 Karen From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Dec 29 21:08:57 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:08:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: Whoah! I missed Gandalf: http://gepr.net/ga.html#GANDALF Sheesh. Karen Kusic wrote: > > Not sure if this has been covered yet here ... > Sent this message to the e-Prog mailing list too. > > Finally saw "Lord of the Rings" last night. Not bad. > > OK ... How many prog bands/songs/sites were mentioned in the > movie??? > > So far, I've found: > > Rivendell > http://fly.to/rivendell > > The Mines of Moria > http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/118/the_moor_-_every_pixie_sel.html > > Isildur (Isildur's Bane) > http://www.isildursbane.se/ > > Galadriel (Spain) > http://gepr.net/ga.html#GALADRIEL > > Aragon? No, guess it was Aragorn. ;) > Aragorn: Viggo Mortensen > > There has to be more. > > Here's the imdb link: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0120737 > > Karen From spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM Sat Dec 29 22:04:11 2001 From: spacewreck2001 at YAHOO.COM (Space Wreck) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:04:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings In-Reply-To: <3C2E7739.B8FFEBF5@execpc.com> Message-ID: Some of these may not have turned up in the first movie, but they are mentioned in the trilogy. How about Steve Peregrin Took of T-Rex? (Peregrin Took is Pippin's full name.) http://www.steve-took.co.uk/ There is a prog-jazz band called Mithrandir (an alternate name for Gandalf). http://www.gepr.net/mas.html#MIRTHRANDIR There is a prog rock band called Lorien, and another called Iluvatar. And there's a newage band called Shadowfax (Gandalf's horse). Cirith Ungol and Morgoth are heavy metal bands. Mirkwood was a prog band that released on LP in '73. The Hobbits recorded 3 albums in the late 60s. I'm sure there's more... MWood --- Karen Kusic wrote: > Whoah! > > I missed Gandalf: > http://gepr.net/ga.html#GANDALF > > Sheesh. > > Karen Kusic wrote: > > > > Not sure if this has been covered yet here ... > > Sent this message to the e-Prog mailing list too. > > > > Finally saw "Lord of the Rings" last night. Not bad. > > > > OK ... How many prog bands/songs/sites were mentioned in the > > movie??? > > > > So far, I've found: > > > > Rivendell > > http://fly.to/rivendell > > > > The Mines of Moria > > http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/118/the_moor_-_every_pixie_sel.html > > > > Isildur (Isildur's Bane) > > http://www.isildursbane.se/ > > > > Galadriel (Spain) > > http://gepr.net/ga.html#GALADRIEL > > > > Aragon? No, guess it was Aragorn. ;) > > Aragorn: Viggo Mortensen > > > > There has to be more. > > > > Here's the imdb link: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0120737 > > > > Karen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 30 03:51:14 2001 From: mail at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:51:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Ron and Jerry Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Procter" > > Thanks, Michael. I think that all DB owes us is the best possible music by > > gathering together the best possible line-up: 2001 Winter Tour...Mission > > Achieved! > > > Really? I've heard (and read) a number of people expressing that this > year's Christmas Party was the best gig they've ever been to. I miss > Ron. If I were old enough, I'd miss Bob. YES, the current line-up is > great, it's nice to imagine the band playing together, writing new > material and [perhaps gelling in a way you can;'t quite if you're > changing line-ups all the time. But it's not my fantasy Hawkwind, and > I'd be surprised if it were many others Well, also...but I wasn't playing fantasy line-ups. I was talking about DB's pulling together the best line-up he possibly could. IMHO, and of course only IMHO, this was pretty much achieved on the winter tour: the two longest serving members aside from Brock and, arguably, the two best musicians (SH, H-LL) that have played in Hawkwind. Your fantasy line-up might well include Bob Calvert, it might also include Lemmy. But for obviously differing reasons, a tour with these x-members is unachievable. Read my point again: "best possible line-up" - it's got to be achievable: logistically, financially etc. Thinking back to the general reaction of regarding the 1999 mini-tour, where Ron was playing bass and doing most vocals compared to the reaction for Ron now..seems the more low-key his performance, the more he is missed. But I can't believe the band can afford (fiscal terms) to employ somebody to sing on three or four tracks, unfortunately. Very talented guy, though. > > This last gig in particular, well, it was good, but there was still > time I spent standing around thinking 'What's going on, when's > something going to happen?' Now, that may be me, it might not be the > band at all. Spacebrock, for example, to me, sounds like a ground bass > with no melody. It doesn't seem to have a purpose - with ron's > Moneytree words, well, it got somewhere. It wasn't a boatless > anchor. I don't understand Dave's solo work, and maybe that's > my fault and maybe because I can't reach it is no reason why it should > all be regarded as bad. No, not maybe, definitely. However, counting > those bits aside, I've heard better Levitations, for example. Or > Brainbox Pollutions. I've never heard Sonic Attack performed even half > as well, otoh. What I'm getting at is, yes, I enjoy Hawkwind > gigs. That's why I go to them, in preference to other things, other > bands, whatever, *BUT* I don';t see why the last was so special > People are differnet, I guess. I don't really go for Dave's solo stuff either. But he's in a great position of being able to gather around him a great support team and after 30+years of *being* Hawkwind sort of pick and choose who he works with. I thought the winter tour was pretty special (I have a hunch that I enjoyed Space Bandits 1990 a bit more but that might have been circumstances) and the line-up near perfect...I really treasure that night in Swindon. I realise that's just my opinion but it seems to be shared around quite a bit. Ian From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Dec 30 08:28:58 2001 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (Jez Dacombe) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:28:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Items for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody want to buy a copy of : CD: Hawkwind: Rock City (recorded live during 1993 tour). - great sleeve, 1974 tour programme front. CD: Hawkwind: Kings Of Speed / Lords Of Light: (recoded live at Bochum in 91) - stonehenge stage shot sleeve. LP: Hawkwind: Stonehenge 1983 - Standing stones photo. Any reasonable offers considered. All in perfect nick. More details of label, track list etc on request. Cheers, Jez From grodog at PACBELL.NET Sun Dec 30 11:20:09 2001 From: grodog at PACBELL.NET (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:20:09 -0800 Subject: Cousteau (the UK band): anyone know them? Message-ID: Hi all, and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone! I just heard an interesting NPR story on the UK band Cousteau, who sounded pretty cool, and wanted to see if any of you were already familiar with them (Chris, Lara, Buehler, anyone)? They are apparently a dark but hopeful band, and sort of sound like a more lyrically inclined Dead Can Dance crossed with a rich baritone vocalist, and ranging from simple but elegant piano pieces up through more aggressive/dark-sounding ones, while maintaining a hopeful and positive lyrical outlook underneath the Godspeed You Black Emperor/ This Mortal Coil tones and subjects. I hope you all had wonderful Christmases, and were given the loot you most sought! =) Allan. ObHW: I didn't get Yule Ritual, alas. I guess I'll have to start looking for it on my own.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- grodog at pacbell.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr I am gray. I stand between the candle, and the star. We are gray. We stand between the darkness, and the light. --- "And The Sky Full of Stars," _Babylon 5_ From Ted_Blair at MSN.COM Sun Dec 30 12:27:34 2001 From: Ted_Blair at MSN.COM (Ted Blair) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:27:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: I've just been playing 'Out There Somewhere' by Ship Of Fools over the Festive period - forgot just how good it is. I never knew much about these in the first place - I saw the video for 'Guidance is Internal' on Raw Power or suchlike many moons ago, liked it a lot and bought the CD - so what happened to them? Can anyone enlighten me? cheers Ted From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Dec 30 15:46:35 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:46:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: DITTO Thats exactly the same as me, saw "Guidence is Internal" on "Raw Power" and was so impressed i bought the CD. Thanks for reminding me about it, They are good, recomend the CD to anyone Fraser >From: Ted Blair >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools >Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:27:34 -0500 > >I've just been playing 'Out There Somewhere' by Ship Of Fools over the >Festive period - forgot just how good it is. > >I never knew much about these in the first place - I saw the video >for 'Guidance is Internal' on Raw Power or suchlike many moons ago, liked >it a lot and bought the CD - so what happened to them? Can anyone enlighten >me? > >cheers > >Ted _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Dec 30 15:50:56 2001 From: fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM (Fraser Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:50:56 +0000 Subject: Ship of Fools Message-ID: No real info on them, though. Sorry. Will be interested to hear what others have to say about them though. Fraser _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Dec 30 15:54:23 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:54:23 EST Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/01 3:47:59 PM, fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Thats exactly the same as me, saw "Guidance is Internal" on "Raw Power" and was so impressed i bought the CD. >> ===== Clearly, someone commandeered that cd/lp title from, heh, elsewhere; took many cojones to pull such a nick. It'd better be good. "<>" From mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK Sun Dec 30 16:09:42 2001 From: mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK (mark von bargen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:09:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: Well, The CD is THAT good - they could have commandeered a title from anywhere! Seriously, I asked the same question about Ship of Fools about 6 months ago and got no reply. I can't even get any information off of their old record label site - they must be true psychedelic warlords coz they disappeared in smoke!! See You Soon - Next Year Probably, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Ship Of Fools > In a message dated 12/30/01 3:47:59 PM, fraser141 at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > << Thats exactly the same as me, saw "Guidance is Internal" on "Raw Power" and > was so impressed i bought the CD. >> > ===== > Clearly, someone commandeered that cd/lp title from, heh, elsewhere; took > many cojones to pull such a nick. > > It'd better be good. > > "<>" > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Dec 30 17:09:45 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:09:45 EST Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/01 4:08:49 PM, mark.von-bargen at GENIE.CO.UK writes: << they could have commandeered a title from anywhere! >> The quality of this CD aint the issue; "Raw Power" was an LP by the Stooges, as, at least, Mr. Pearson cold tell you. So there's your "anywhere".... "<>" From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 30 18:35:06 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:35:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools In-Reply-To: <112.a315f38.2960eaa9@aol.com> Message-ID: >"Raw Power" was an LP by the Stooges, as, at least, Mr. Pearson cold tell you. Hi '<>' et al,,, I think Raw Power is a video label they are speaking of.....the CD in question is indeed pretty clever, I always thought a sort of cross between Ozric's and Omnia Opera.....bit monotonous,,but you know me,,..and great enough it generally is,.,,I went and dug mine out...(for some happier day) Andy G will have the answer if there is one, but I think they did "fold",,, m From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Dec 30 18:37:00 2001 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:37:00 EST Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/01 5:26:03 PM, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: << I think Raw Power is a video label they are speaking of.....the CD in question is indeed pretty clever, I always thought a sort of cross between Ozric's and Omnia Opera.....bit monotonous,,but you know me,,..and great enough it generally is,.,,I went and dug mine out...(for some happier day) >> ========== my bad. Shouldnt never come here and speak of "this in relation to this in relation to....." eventually, I'll know better....eventually. "<>" From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 30 20:05:13 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:05:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools In-Reply-To: <111.aee8516.2960ff1c@aol.com> Message-ID: >my bad. >Shouldnt never come here and speak of "this in relation to this in relation >to....." > >eventually, I'll know better....eventually. > >"<>" ....PLEASE CONTINUE AS YOURSELF.....(ALL OF YOU) (NO POOPIE THOUGH, PLEASE) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 30 19:01:50 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:01:50 EST Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: In a message dated 31/12/01 10:25:59 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > ....PLEASE CONTINUE AS YOURSELF.....(ALL OF YOU) (NO POOPIE THOUGH, PLEASE) > whats all this talk of "no-poopie" on boc?? is it meant to instill a sense of retention? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 30 20:24:04 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:24:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools In-Reply-To: <160.6602aef.296104ee@aol.com> Message-ID: >whats all this talk of "no-poopie" on boc?? > >is it meant to instill a sense of retention? Michael..I almost sent the poopie list,,,,stop....I already take great risk in setting foot here now...go...send a link to the Cerberus Flier and maybe they will forgive this thing I have done (this one, not the others) From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 30 19:22:35 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:22:35 EST Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: In a message dated 31/12/01 10:44:40 AM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Michael..I almost sent the poopie list,,,,stop....I already take great risk > in setting foot here > > now...go...send a link to the Cerberus Flier and maybe they will forgive > this thing I have done (this one, not the others) > Do you mean the jpg of the November tour flyer?? the one you can download for free at Mikewind at yahoogroups? From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Dec 30 21:06:07 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:06:07 -0600 Subject: OFF:(way off) Ship of no hiding stone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Do you mean the jpg of the November tour flyer?? the one you can download >for free at Mikewind at yahoogroups? guess I gotta find a new place not advertised ouch not your fault. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Dec 30 21:03:19 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:03:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: >I've just been playing 'Out There Somewhere' by Ship Of Fools over the >Festive period - forgot just how good it is. > >I never knew much about these in the first place - I saw the video >for 'Guidance is Internal' on Raw Power or suchlike many moons ago, liked >it a lot and bought the CD - so what happened to them? Can anyone enlighten >me? They did a second* CD (also very good), and then split. The two were then reissued as a dbl-CD release, and now all of them are hard to find I'd guess. The one guy from Ship of Fools went on to play with the band Nine Invisibles that did at least one CD on Delerium IIRC. It's just ok, a little more trancey stuff like all the other 'maturing' festy-psych outfits. The Kava Kava singer I remember made a guest appearance on that album, and that track was one of the better ones I think. *unless Out there Somewhere was the second, in which case they had done one before. Can't remember titles very well anymore. Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Dec 30 21:11:38 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:11:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings Message-ID: >Some of these may not have turned up in the first movie, but >they are mentioned in the trilogy. > >How about Steve Peregrin Took of T-Rex? (Peregrin Took is Pippin's >full name.) http://www.steve-took.co.uk/ > >There is a prog-jazz band called Mithrandir (an alternate name for >Gandalf). http://www.gepr.net/mas.html#MIRTHRANDIR > >There is a prog rock band called Lorien, and another called >Iluvatar. > >And there's a newage band called Shadowfax (Gandalf's horse). >Cirith Ungol and Morgoth are heavy metal bands. Mirkwood was >a prog band that released on LP in '73. The Hobbits recorded >3 albums in the late 60s. > >I'm sure there's more... I have a CD by Nazgul, or perhaps Nazgul is one of those suspected fake krautrock bands (in which case I have a compilation with tracks attributed to Nazgul). Can't remember for sure. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Didn't think Lord of the Rings was anything to be excited about. Sometimes a classic novel makes a crappy screenplay. And sometimes computer animation just looks like ridiculous fake garbage...see Balrog (or whatever that stupid thing was called). When's that Amber movie supposed to be finished? From senator at RETCH.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sun Dec 30 22:11:31 2001 From: senator at RETCH.UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:11:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: prog names in Lord of the Rings In-Reply-To: <200112310230.VAA12167@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> from "K Henderson" at Dec 30, 2001 09:11:38 PM Message-ID: Maybe someone mentioned this already, but Marillion was shortened from Silmarillion when they couldn't permission to use the name. Bill From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Dec 31 01:19:53 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:19:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Tolkien Music List - Artists/Composers Message-ID: The master list! The purpose of this site is to provide an exhaustive discography of musical works inspired by or referential to J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth (the world of The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, and The Silmarillion). http://www.telia.lv/~witchcraft/jrrt/jrrt1.htm From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Dec 31 01:31:20 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:31:20 -0600 Subject: AMON DIN Message-ID: AMON DIN (UK) - space rock early '70s project of John Lingwood, Dave Anderson, Huw Lloyd Langton and John Butler (ex-Hawkwind/Amon Duul) http://www.telia.lv/~witchcraft/jrrt/jrrt2.htm#bands2 From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Dec 31 03:42:14 2001 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (mike c) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:42:14 -0600 Subject: OFF:OFF MORE OFF AND ONE LAST OFF -(slight HW blurble) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Michael Blackman- if you start another list for our little Mikewind "clique", and if it would help you to make new friends on the Mikewind (if you wanted to) I'll pack it up,,I'll do it!!! I think my tongue seemed pointed at you..and it wasn't,,, now..lets see if I know anything...hmmmm.... OK clutching at straws but here is a couple things.... MEMOS and DEMOS (by Dave Brock) exists as an actual PROMO copy.....I don't have it, but I know of it.... I once heard that the "Independant Days" LP (actual vinyl) existed in a gold and purple color scheme,,I believe it was in an old Hawkfan...did I misread??? AND- I recall that Trevor Hughes used to sell what appeared to be "double sets" of the Friends and Relations LP's..what was that?? like Vol 1 and 2 together, or 1 and 3, etc.....were they just 2 seperate normal LP's or special pressings or what?? oh and 1 more fact the SPLENDID, MARVELOUS, ONSTAGE POSTER from the Japanese Space Ritual is in fact the same as one of the posters that were sold through Great Western Road in the old days,,,,,,a friend just got one...and the glory here would be getting one UNFOLDED....(as he did the bloody bastad) no comment on size differences as I don't know.... Wilfried??? got that one?? peace- sorry this weirdness seems to happen with me...but I tried to make it less blaring and eyestraining hope it worked m From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 31 02:55:50 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:55:50 EST Subject: OFF:OFF MORE OFF AND ONE LAST OFF -(slight HW blurble) Message-ID: In a message dated 31/12/01 6:03:33 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > Dear Michael Blackman- if you start another list for our little Mikewind > "clique", and if it would help you to make new friends on the Mikewind (if > you wanted to) I'll pack it up,,I'll do it!!! > > I think my tongue seemed pointed at you..and it wasn't,,, I'll put the image of the flyer up at Electric Tepee - and remember to tell everyone of the new location (url) as the Tepee is moving bigger * better * bolder * sexier * tastier and good for the whole family and the kiddies DON'T have to eat their spinnach if they don't wanna stay tuned ..... ~Scooby Doo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 31 03:05:34 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:05:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hi Folks.... I've been meaning to do this for sometime now. If anyone thinks Hawkwind's discography is totally FUBAR, then you need to spend some time trying to make any goddamn sense out of the Legendary Pink Dots' Discography!! They've been at it only 20 years, and have managed a staggering array of variations, re-variations, compilations, re-recordings, half live/half studio output, F&R type releases, exclusive tracks on all sorts of various other compilations, split EPs/LPs/singles, you name it! A lot of this stuff I haven't even included. If you go to brainwashed.com/lpd you will find all the ugly details about every single bloody thing the band has ever done. But of course, you can't see the proverbial forest for the stinkin' trees! So...I took some time to distill it all down to the minimum. This is sort of the LPD analogue to the list that was recently put forth and discussed here for Hawkwind by various people like Mssrs. Jarrett and Pearson (and others I'm sure - sorry for forgetting who you were). Anyway, I just wanted to have a list of those releases that if I were to see in a store somewhere, I would know whether I had that already or not. I think if you have these 44 titles, then you have somewhere over 90% of what they've recorded. If you start buying titles that are not on this list, then you're probably buying redundant things. A whole bunch of these have just been re-released in the last year by Caciovcavallo/Soleilmoon jointly, in nice packaging and with some attempt to add as much bonus material as possible from the same time period. If anyone cares, the ones I have are... 5, 13, 14, (17-18), (27-28), 29, 31, 32, 34, 35, 36, 38, and 44 and would recommend first... 29 > 44 > 34 > 38 > 36 > (17-18) in roughly that order. The other ones aren't quite as interesting IMHO. 39 and 42 are ones that I intend to get sometime soon. Grakkl (FAA) Legendary Pink Dots - A Simplified Discography (CD unless otherwise noted) ordered by initial year of recording/second year indicates most recent CD No. TITLE(S) YEAR LABEL CAT. NO. COUNTRY 1. ONLY DREAMING (CS) 1981 also as ANCIENT DAZE (CD-R) 2000 Beta-Lactam Ring TEKA01/B-LRR US 2. CHEMICAL PLAYSCHOOL 1+2 (CS) 1981 (tracks appear on various CDs) 3. KLEINE KRIEG (CS) 1981 Mirrordot Tapes MD04 UK 4. ATOMIC ROSES (CS) 1982 Illusion Prod. IP 009 FR 5. PREMONITION (CS) 1982 also as UNDER TRIPLE MOONS CD 1997 ROIR USCD8231 US 6. APPARITION (CS) 1982 Ding Dong DDC 005 NL 7. PRAYER FOR ARADIA 1982/1996 Terminal Kaleid. TEKA 666 NL 8. BRIGHTER NOW 1982/1996 Soleilmoon SOL 39 CD US 9. BASILISK (CS) 1983 Third Mind TMT 08 UK 10.CURSE 1983/1996 Soleilmoon SOL 40 CD US 11.FACES IN THE FIRE (EP) 1984/1996 Soleilmoon SOL 42CD US 12.CHEMICAL PLAYSCHOOL 3+4 1983/1998 TeKa/World Serpent TEKA 945 UK 13.THE LOVERS (live/studio) 1984/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 14 US 14.THE TOWER 1984/1996 Soleilmoon SOL 41 CD US 15.ASYLUM 1985/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 14 US 16.ISLAND OF JEWELS 1986/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 16 US 17.UNDER GLASS (EP) 1988 (on CD with Any Day Now) 18.ANY DAY NOW 1988/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 17 US 19.DOT-TO-DOT (live) (CS) 1988 Teddy Bear Music TBM 001 GE 20.LIVE '85-'88 (live) (CD-R) 2000 Beta-Lactam Ring TEKA02/B-LRR US 21.TRAUMSTADT 2,4,5 (CS) 1988-89 (most material appears on the comp. STAINED GLASS SOMA FOUNTAINS 1997 Soleilmoon SOL 46 CD US) 22.TRAUMSTADT 3 (live) (CS) 1988 Mirrordot no number NL 23.BLACKLIST (EP) 1989 (on CD with The Golden Age) 24.THE GOLDEN AGE 1989/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 18 US 25.GREETINGS 9 (LP/CD) 1989 (sometimes w/Premonition 11) aka IT'S RAINING IN HEAVEN 1996 Soleilmoon SOL 43 CD US 26.LIVE '89 (live) (CD-R) 2000 Beta-Lactam Ring TEKA03/B-LRR US 27.THE CRUSHED VELVET APOCALYPSE 1990/2001 Caccio/Sol CAD 20 US 28.PRINCESS COLDHEART (EP) 1990 (on CD with Crushed Velvet Apocalypse) 29.THE MARIA DIMENSION 1991/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 21 US 30.THE MARIA DIMENSION BONUS CD3"1990 also appears on CHEMICAL PLAYSCHOOL 8+9 1991 Play It Again Sam BIAS 184 CD R BE 31.SHADOW WEAVER 1992/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 22 US 32.MALACHAI(SHADOW WEAVER 2)1993/2001 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 23 US 33.FOUR DAYS (Ka-Spel/Silverman) 1994 Terminal Kaleidescope TEKA 999 NL 34.FAREWELL, MILKY WAY (live '94)2000 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 5 US 35.9 LIVES TO WONDER 1994/1995 Soleilmoon SOL 30 CD US 36.FROM HERE YOU'LL WATCH THE WORLD GO BY 1995 SoleilmoonSOL 28 CD US 37.REMEMBER ME THIS WAY (EP) 1996 Soleilmoon SOL 31 CD US 38.HALLWAY OF THE GODS 1997 Soleilmoon SOL 50 CD US 39.CHEMICAL PLAYSCHOOL 10 1997 Soleilmoon SOL 57 CD US 40.STERRE (EP) 1997 SPV Poland 056-150133 PL 41.PRE-MILLENIAL SINGLE (EP) 1998 Soleilmoon SOL 74 CD US 42.NEMESIS ON-LINE 1998 Soleilmoon SOL 75 CD US 43.LIVE AT THE METRO (live 1998) 1999 SPV Poland SPV 150112 PL 44.A PERFECT MYSTERY 2000 Cacciocavallo/Sol CAD 11 US Official Personnel: Edward Ka-Spel (various spellings) Vocals/Electronics ALL Phil Knight (The Silverman) Keyboards/Electronics ALL April Iliffe (Aradia) Vocals/Piano 1981-84 Roland Calloway (Rolls Anotherone) Bass 1981-84 Rik Chevrolet Guitar 1981-82 Sally Graves Keyboards/fx/Flute 1981-83 Keith Thompson Drums 1982-83 Barry Gray (Stet Majest) Guitar 1982-88 Patrick (Q. Paganini) Wright Violin/Keyboards 1982-89 Graham Whitehead Keyboards 1985-88 Julia Waller (Poison Barbarella) Bass/Keyboards 1985 Hanz Myre Sax/Flute 1986-91 Bob Pistoor (Father Pastorius) Guitar 1989-91 (RIP) Neils van Hoornblower Sax/Flute 1990- Martijn de Kleer (Edwin van Trippenhof) Guitar/Bass 1992- Ryan Moore Drums/Bass 1992- From Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 31 03:33:13 2001 From: Michaelangelo68 at AOL.COM (Michael W Blackman) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:33:13 EST Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: In a message dated 31/12/01 6:54:54 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > I've been meaning to do this for sometime now. If anyone thinks Hawkwind's > discography is totally FUBAR, then you need to spend some time trying to > make any goddamn sense out of the Legendary Pink Dots' Discography!! > They've been at it only 20 years, and have managed a staggering array of > variations, re-variations, compilations, re-recordings, half live/half > studio output, F&R type releases, exclusive tracks on all sorts of various > other compilations, split EPs/LPs/singles, you name it! A lot of this stuff > I haven't even included. > crikey From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Dec 31 04:19:05 2001 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:19:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Yikes, and I only have somewhere around 7 of these? Keith, I finally did get "A Perfect Mystery".You're right, it's as good, if not better than "Hallway...." To add to the mess, Edward Kaspell has some solo works out. I've got :"Tanith & the Lion Tree" , and it's just about he weirdest half-hour of music that I've ever heard:) Nice for a twist:) I guess I'm really gonna have to work on this band more. I really like what I've heard:) Pam Michael W Blackman wrote: > In a message dated 31/12/01 6:54:54 PM Cen. Australia Daylight Time, > henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > > > I've been meaning to do this for sometime now. If anyone thinks Hawkwind's > > discography is totally FUBAR, then you need to spend some time trying to > > make any goddamn sense out of the Legendary Pink Dots' Discography!! > > They've been at it only 20 years, and have managed a staggering array of > > variations, re-variations, compilations, re-recordings, half live/half > > studio output, F&R type releases, exclusive tracks on all sorts of various > > other compilations, split EPs/LPs/singles, you name it! A lot of this stuff > > I haven't even included. > > > > crikey -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On 31 Dec 2001, at 3:05, K Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks.... > > I've been meaning to do this for sometime now. If anyone thinks > Hawkwind's discography is totally FUBAR, then you need to spend some > time trying to make any goddamn sense out of the Legendary Pink Dots' > Discography!! They've been at it only 20 years, and have managed a > staggering array of variations, re-variations, compilations, > re-recordings, half live/half studio output, F&R type releases, > exclusive tracks on all sorts of various other compilations, split > EPs/LPs/singles, you name it! A lot of this stuff I haven't even > included. I was discussing this with a friend of mine lately (me as HW Kollektor and He as LPD Kollektor), why can't we just choose bands wich are easy to kollekt ;-) he even kontakted Edward Ka-Spel to get a u-to-date list of compilations and tapes. > and would recommend first... > 29 > 44 > 34 > 38 > 36 > (17-18) in roughly that order. The other > ones aren't quite as interesting IMHO. I certainly would like to add numbers 14 and 43 to the list (but thats just personal taste) > Martijn de Kleer (Edwin van Trippenhof) Guitar/Bass 1992- He also played in the Dungeon Dweller who opened for Hawkwind in Paradiso Amsterdam March 12 1991. i think he has left the LPD now. At least he wasn't with them during the recent European tour and Bert (the merchandising guy) told me something like that. Happy new Year, Bart From chip at PCC.COM Mon Dec 31 10:45:29 2001 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:45:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Tolkien Music List - Artists/Composers In-Reply-To: <3C300389.5BEE11F2@execpc.com>; from kkusic@EXECPC.COM on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 12:19:53AM -0600 Message-ID: > The purpose of this site is to provide an exhaustive discography of > musical works inspired by or referential to J.R.R. Tolkien's > Middle-earth (the world of The Lord of the Rings, The > Hobbit, and The Silmarillion). ...check out: http://www.rawbw.com/~wyrmwif/CACS/bwc.html A BOC/Tolkein parody. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Dec 31 11:13:53 2001 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:13:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: I concur that this is one of my favorite bands. Thanks to Keith H for giving me a tape of them a couple years ago and then finding a used copy of the double CD for me for sale on eBay. Cranium has a reference entry about them and a few sound samples: http://www.cranium.co.nz/catalog/A_1043.htm Another interesting trivia note is that on their album, Close Your Eyes (Forget the World), they used sound bites from the movie "Jacob's Ladder". http://us.imdb.com/Title?0099871 Quote from the movie: "Louis: Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth." Isn't that excellent? On the CD they use only this part: "you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth" If anyone is as blown away by this quote as I was and like the sound samples they hear on the Cranium site, I think I could work out a CD-R trade since the CD is OOP. If that's kosher! When I listen to this CD set and Kingston Wall III, I feel like I've got a glimpse into the meaning of life. That's what makes a lot of the music that our BOC-L group listens to so wonderful. Close Your Eyes (Forget the World) really is an eye opener! Pardon the pun. ;) Happy New Year gang. Karen From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 31 13:50:04 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:50:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium Message-ID: Yes - it's a bizarre affair. A month or two ago we got offered a whole stack of Delerium label CD's (non-PT) by a deletion/overstocks company for a mega-cheap price per title (and they listed the qty of each CD they'd got next to the title - some were as high as 300+ units!!), so make what you will of that. Then they do 'Metanoia' on CD (having said when the vinyl came out that it would not be on CD) and when CDS asks to buy copies from them for our customers, we are refused point blank. 'If we've got any left after Christmas, we may let you have some' was the word. Make what you will of that. Not just us though - wouldn;t wholesale it to anyone else. Now word is that Snapper are putting out the 'Stars Die' thing and apparently yet again it's going to be all ltd editions of this that and the other. Then the FE catalogues go more mianstream than ever recently. All very strange I suppose - maybe pure psych doesn't work so well on its own anymore. Tombola is out, we've sold out, and it's great but totally different from SJU - in my CDS review I likened it to a space-rock answer to 1970 era Jefferson Airplane - a very psych but pretty amazing album.Back in stock here in about a week. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree / Delerium > > The odd thing is that that compilation is now coming out on > Snapper. I guess this was part of a quid pro quo for canning the live > album that was to be. > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 31 13:57:44 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:57:44 -0000 Subject: SHield Message-ID: well done - it is now officially deleted at the label - HMV London would appear to be the only UK place with it assuming they still have any. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Perry" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:02 PM Subject: SHield > Wey hey - ambled into HMV on Oxford Street this afternoon looking for Gong, > noticed the HW shield and am now the proud possessor #223 our of 500. What > a great belated Xmas prezzie. > > --- > Kevin Perry > The Mountain Grill > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 31 13:54:53 2001 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:54:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Ship Of Fools Message-ID: no - just the two Ship Of Fools CD's!! Both classics. I actually loved the first Nine Invisibles album, but the new one, 'Soundbombing' is also superb - vey powerful stuff. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Ship Of Fools > >I've just been playing 'Out There Somewhere' by Ship Of Fools over the > >Festive period - forgot just how good it is. > > > >I never knew much about these in the first place - I saw the video > >for 'Guidance is Internal' on Raw Power or suchlike many moons ago, liked > >it a lot and bought the CD - so what happened to them? Can anyone enlighten > >me? > > They did a second* CD (also very good), and then split. The two were then > reissued as a dbl-CD release, and now all of them are hard to find I'd > guess. The one guy from Ship of Fools went on to play with the band Nine > Invisibles that did at least one CD on Delerium IIRC. It's just ok, a > little more trancey stuff like all the other 'maturing' festy-psych outfits. > The Kava Kava singer I remember made a guest appearance on that album, and > that track was one of the better ones I think. > > *unless Out there Somewhere was the second, in which case they had done one > before. Can't remember titles very well anymore. > > Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 31 18:11:21 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:11:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Florian Fricke Message-ID: Hi Folks... More sad news. Florian Fricke of Popol Vuh has passed away at 57. Grakkl (FAA) Memorial site for Florian Fricke http://raq491.uk2net.com/florian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 31 19:26:56 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:26:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Bart speaketh... >> Martijn de Kleer (Edwin van Trippenhof) Guitar/Bass 1992- >He also played in the Dungeon Dweller who opened for Hawkwind >in Paradiso Amsterdam March 12 1991. i think he has left the LPD >now. At least he wasn't with them during the recent European tour >and Bert (the merchandising guy) told me something like that. Hmmm...I went back to the brainwashed site to see if he truly was gone, and on the News page there I didn't see mention of him leaving. But then it did say that Ryan Moore had left! And it also has a band statement that says... "To put it mildly, it has been a traumatic year so far. Unexpected and unwelcomed changes in the Dots' line-up could not have occurred at a more awkward time" which would indeed seem to indicate that perhaps more than one had left. Well, losing Moore is no great loss, since he was kind of a marginal player anyway. And obviously a bit of a nut, but then that sort of colorful individual often gives the band a little more flavor, as we all know. deKleer would be the real loss, talentwise. Though as it seems LPD sometimes went drummerless in the past, I think it would actually be more important (from my perspective) to get someone in there behind the skins. Hard to do a good live show without a drummer IMHO. Well, it does say further in the statement that... "there are tentative plans to work with a drummer, a cello player and even a brass band" The first two are fine, but gagh...a brass band? No thank you. HNY...Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 31 19:34:29 2001 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:34:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hi again.... FYI...from the LPD FAQ at brainwashed.com >Legendary Pink Dots - A Simplified Discography (CD unless otherwise noted) >ordered by initial year of recording/second year indicates most recent CD > >No. TITLE(S) YEAR LABEL CAT. NO. COUNTRY >4. ATOMIC ROSES (CS) 1982 Illusion Prod. IP 009 FR >6. APPARITION (CS) 1982 Ding Dong DDC 005 NL >9. BASILISK (CS) 1983 Third Mind TMT 08 UK Coming soon... STAINED GLASS Volume 2. Double CD release taking in the cassette albums 'Apparition','Basilisk' and 'Atomic Roses.' We are working on the original tapes to maximise quality. Most of the material from these three cassettes appeared on Vol. 1. >21.TRAUMSTADT 2,4,5 (CS) 1988-89 (most material appears on the comp. > STAINED GLASS SOMA FOUNTAINS 1997 Soleilmoon SOL 46 CD US) (Oh, BTW, I'm not sure about the actual order of release of the 44 items I put in the discography. I had to concatenate all the entries from various lists, so I only went by year of release, and so some entries from any given year may be slightly out of order.) HNY...Grakkl (FAA), Baffling Pigs From desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM Mon Dec 31 20:38:51 2001 From: desdinova at MADASAFISH.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:38:51 +0000 Subject: Off: After Midnight In-Reply-To: <00dd01c167f0$6cd64c00$a1a4fea9@bpnf001> Message-ID: It is here! Happy 2002 everybody Chrisw (& Helen) (Proud new owner of a Washburn Maverick BT-9) From ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET Mon Dec 31 23:48:34 2001 From: ma-paharper at IOPENER.NET (Tim) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:48:34 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year !!! Message-ID: Happy new year to all our family,friends,boc-lers and hawkwind-ers...around the country and around the world... tim