From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Sep 1 01:15:09 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:15:09 EDT Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD no sleep til h'smith news Message-ID: sorry gang...as relevant as this may well be to the rest of the board, this was just for m'sieu mayo. wasting the bandwith just for Toi!_ "<>" In a message dated 8/31/00 11:36:05 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: <> ======= i could see where you'd be so.... heh good for you "<>" ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Re>> From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 01:33:47 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:33:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear. While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter. Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi, I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter. In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig. I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself. Maybe others read that as meaning something else? I dunno, would the originator care to comment? Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons. Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Sep 1 02:01:15 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:31:15 +0930 Subject: HW: Meeting in pub before Brixton gig (List) Message-ID: One Badge On Order Sir! 8>) See ya there ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Re: HW: Meeting in pub before Brixton gig (List) > Ordered my ticket yesterday lunchtime - got it this morning! > > I therefore claim my free badge :) > > I guess I'll see you lot in the Beehive then. Are we buying rounds? > > cheers, > > Keef > > > -- > Thing Do-er Phone:0207 973 4000 > Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 > 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 > London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk > +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ > > > > > "Pospiech, Bernhard" wrote: > > > Hi folks > > > > Here are so far the folks who will come to the BEEHIVE pub before > > the Brixton gig on 21.10.2000 > > > > Is the BEEHIVE ok ? And where exactely is this pub ? Very close to the > > Academy ? Near a TUBE station ? More infos from the LONDON folks please!!! > > > > 1) Andreas Stuewe > > 2) Gaby Stuewe > > 3) Rainer Wangler > > 4) Bernhard Pospiech > > 5) Andy Garibaldi > > 6) Ben Fagin > > 7) Eli Friedman > > 8) Kevin Sommers > > 9) Jon Jarret > > 10) Mike Holmes > > 11) Jill Strobridge > > 12) Michael Blackman > > 13) Merrick French > > 14) Julie French > > 15) Si ??? > > 16) Eric Siegerman > > 17) Nick ??? > > 18) Dave Greenhalgh > > 19) Mick ??? > > 20) Kevin Perry > > 21) John Stanton > > 22) Sara Stanton > > 23) Colm ??? > > 24) Matt ??? > > > > Someone forgotten ? > > > > I suppose the pub will be filled up with HAWKWIND fans. WOW! > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Sep 1 04:23:16 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:23:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Brixton directions Message-ID: An urgent request (as I need to make travel arrangements): Which airport is closer, Gatwick or Heathrow? Or does it matter (with efficient rail/tube service, which we are lacking,,,) Kevin Sommers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lennon" To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:14 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton directions > thank you, > bob > > In a message dated 8/30/00 11:33:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > > > A lot of the venue questions can be answered at www.brixton-academy.co.uk - > > look under tech info, I think, they've got stage plans, capacities, all > > sorts. > > > > London travel is pretty straightforward, especially as there's an > > underground station very close to the venue. Ask away! > > > > -- Andy > > > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 1 04:41:04 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:41:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton directions In-Reply-To: <001c01c013ed$e0ceccc0$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: > > An urgent request (as I need to make travel arrangements): Which > airport is > closer, Gatwick or Heathrow? Or does it matter (with efficient rail/tube > service, which we are lacking,,,) Nothing in it really - Gatwick's marginally more convenient, get the fast train to Victoria Station and then it's two stops down the line, whereas with Heathrow you have to change twice. London public transport thanks you for the rare praise! ;) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Sep 1 05:26:49 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:26:49 -0600 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax Message-ID: Hey guys, I was just listening to the "Original Master Recording" of BOC, S/T and Tyranny and Mutation and I was thinking "The drumming on Tyranny and Mutation is totally possessed". In my opinion this is one of the greatest display of tasteful and fabulously amazing drumming ever recorded. I wonder what Albert considers his best recorded drum work? In a previous post, someone mentioned Danny being a better bass player than Joe. I don't know how you can really say one guy is better than the other on any instrument (unless one of them sucks). Joe has always been on of my greatest bass influences. I wish he was still playing bass. His bass parts are a big reason that most of us consider the first 3 albums to be the best. Danny is a great player as well, but listen to HF and tell me if it wouldn't have been just as good with somebody else playing on it. There is no way the first 3 albums would have been so great without either Al or Joe. Nobody else was playing like that back then (that I know of). Part of the reason that RBN doesn't quite make much of a statement is because the drumming has little flavor (the production on the drums is pretty lame as well). I actually like the drumming on CN. There have been many good drummers in BOC of recent years, but part of the current problem is lack of a consistent voice coming from that instrument. They are going to be here in SLC on Saturday, but I won't be able to see them because I have to work. For some reason, I don't feel like I'll be missing too much (since they are basically doing the same show they've been doing the past 5 years). I realize there is a lot to putting out a new album, but I wish they could do it in my lifetime and when they tour, feature more of the new songs. There are many songs off HF I'd love to hear them play and I've never heard them play anything off CN (that ought to stir a few people up). and John, I think we have you to thank for the increased BOC content on the list. Way to stir 'em up! Anybody like the new UFO album? I'm still giving it a few whirls before I'd like to comment. Back to pregnant women OD'ing on Exlax, Brad Dahl, reporting live from the Utah Poison Control Center From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 05:32:08 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:32:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton directions Message-ID: And Gatwick's less of a zoo/quicker to get out of than H'row. Likewise, the train's probably less crammed than the tube. The biggest caveat is that if you use the "Gatwick Express" I think the fare is substantially higher than that for the ordinary trains. Of course, nobody's mentioned Stansted..... Aeroportically tours, ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:41 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Brixton directions > > > > > > An urgent request (as I need to make travel arrangements): Which > > airport is > > closer, Gatwick or Heathrow? Or does it matter (with > efficient rail/tube > > service, which we are lacking,,,) > > Nothing in it really - Gatwick's marginally more convenient, > get the fast > train to Victoria Station and then it's two stops down the > line, whereas > with Heathrow you have to change twice. > > London public transport thanks you for the rare praise! ;) > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 06:04:20 2000 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:04:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Bassists for the all-nighter Message-ID: I don't know why there's all this fuss about who's playing bass, we don't know what the format of the night is going to be. With the name Hawkestra, it's quite possible that Hawkwind could play for several hours with a possible 20+ band members, hang on doesn't that sound like that Michael Butterworth story??? I can see Lemmy coming on for one or two songs, but is he going to be the same as 30 years ago? He's had 25-odd years of playing punk/metal, mostly 3-minute long, 3 chord jobs, hardly your 20-minute long psychedelic jam and whats more he probably won't be off his head on chemicals like was last time he was in the band. It would be cool to see him there though. Bring on Alan, he can sing, play bass, keyboard or spoons and has a beard!!! cheers - Rob -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 1 06:51:45 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:51:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Bassists for the all-nighter In-Reply-To: Stuckey, Robert's message of Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:04:20 +0100 Message-ID: Stuckey, Robert writes: > Bring on Alan, he can sing errr, hang on, that's a bit strong innit? FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 1 06:54:22 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:54:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton directions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Of course, nobody's mentioned Stansted..... That's because there's no transatlantic flights into Stansted (correct me if I'm wrong!). However, for European visitors, it may be the best bet because all the budget airlines (Go, Ryanair, Easyjet, Buzz) fly into Stansted. Not exactly close to London, though. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 1 07:43:29 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:43:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax In-Reply-To: <013e01c013f6$c27676c0$4818adcf@ita.sel.sony.com> Message-ID: On 1 Sep 00, at 3:26, Brad Dahl wrote: > > Back to pregnant women OD'ing on Exlax, > > Brad Dahl, reporting live from the Utah Poison Control Center Hey, those Mormons really know how to enjoy life! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 1 07:55:30 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:55:30 EDT Subject: if only... Message-ID: > > Pearl Jam's bootlegs give others the boot > > By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY > > > > Pearl Jam gets a leg up on bootleggers with the unprecedented > > simultaneous release of 25 two-CD sets next month. The collection > > contains a full live performance from each date on the band's summer > > European tour. And to stoke competition with the thriving bootleg > > underground, the discs are priced to move. Fans can order sets for > > $10.98 each beginning Tuesday on the band's two Web sites: > > www.pearljam.com and www.tenclub.net. The discs arrive in stores > > with a $16.98 price tag Sept. 26. Affordability aside, nobody's > > predicting a lofty chart reign. > > > > "Our expectations are low," singer Eddie Vedder says. "It's not for > > everybody. But a lot of people out there buy bootlegs, and it's > > risky, because you can spend a lot of money and get very poor > > quality. I used to buy them online for 35 bucks and get lousy sound. > > At least there's some consistency here. If you're going to hear our > > mistakes, you might as well hear them clearly." > > > > Vedder, who as a teen avidly taped concerts, says the volume of > > material and the tight deadlines prevented overdubs or editing. > > > > "Once we decided to release every show, it was a matter of letting > > it go," he says. "It's all out there in some shape or form anyway. > > We're just offering a better version." > > > > The sets, recorded digitally and mixed by engineer Brett Eliason, > > "definitely won't be a moneymaking venture for anybody," band > > manager Kelly Curtis says. "When we proposed the idea to Sony, we > > got big raised eyebrows. Then they got excited because it was so > > unorthodox. It's a gamble because nobody knows how big or small that > > world is. We're not selling this to the average guy. It's more for > > collectors who have been spending too much and getting low quality." > > > > The release entails manufacturing and shipping nightmares, plus the > > likely predicament of consumer confusion. While many retailers > > welcome the bounty, some balked at stocking 25 new titles, > > especially in the busy fall season. Even Pearl Jam had reservations > > initially. > > > > "The band didn't fully commit until halfway through the tour," > > Curtis says. Early on, the camp envisioned collecting and cataloging > > the scores of illicit tapes in circulation for resale. "We thought > > we could bootleg the bootleggers," Curtis says. "But it was a > > daunting task to find every available bootleg, so we decided to make > > our own." > > > > Pearl Jam, which has recorded all of its concerts during the past 10 > > years, is considering a second wave of discs featuring the current > > U.S. tour. Although Vedder is unsure about public reception, he's > > relishing the role as rock's bootleg titan. "Only a bootlegger > > understands the mind-set of somebody trying to get a good recording > > of an entire show," he says. "It makes for a neurotic concertgoing > > experience." > > Hmm...Just imagine the possibilities. Love 'em or hate 'em, I hope PJ > can influence some other bands to get in on this... > > theo > From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Sep 1 08:41:36 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:41:36 -0600 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax Message-ID: > Hey, those Mormons really know how to enjoy life! Some of us really know how to poop too! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 08:59:37 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:59:37 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Spinal Tap Message-ID: > obSong> "Back From the Dead" Spinal Tap Cool song - I downloaded it from "Tapster.com" as well. In a strange BOC twist, when Tapster.com was originally set up a few weeks back, you could download a few non-Spinal Tap MP3s from there as well as this new song and other Tap classics -- interestingly enough, one of the other songs was BOC's "Don't Fear The Reaper" On a related Tap note, I just picked up the re-masters of "Break Like The Wind" and "This is Spinal Tap Motion Picture Soundtrack". The "Break Like The Wind" re-master doesn't offer much over the original, but the soundtrack has expanded liner notes w/lyrics and 2 "bonus tracks" - the A and B sides of the 1984 "Christmas With The Devil" 45 release. John From nick at NETPHD.NET Fri Sep 1 09:01:46 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:01:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax In-Reply-To: <013e01c013f6$c27676c0$4818adcf@ita.sel.sony.com> Message-ID: > There have been many good drummers in BOC of recent years, but part of the > current problem is lack of a consistent voice coming from that instrument. I think the problem is more than just a lack of consistency. Al and Joe were just maniacs. . . in the most positive sense of the word! They didn't just play someone else's stuff. . . they came up with it on their own. They were much more a part of the band than Danny and Bobby have been, so far anyway. I guess it would be unfair to say that Al and Joe have more talent, since Danny and Bobby haven't really been "let off the leash" yet. But my guess is that there are very few people out there with that Bouchard creativity. --Nick From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Sep 1 10:05:20 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:05:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax Message-ID: > I was just listening to the Original Master Recording of BOC, S/T and > Tyranny and Mutation and I was thinkingThe drumming on Tyranny and > Mutation is totally possessed. In my opinion this is one of the greatest > display of tasteful and fabulously amazing drumming ever recorded. I wonder > what Albert considers his best recorded drum work? its a shame we'll never get a mofi remaster of Secret Treaties. 'twould be cool all cleaned up and stuff. IN an interview Albert did with a certain D.Frost in 88 or so (for Modern Drummer?) , he had made the comment that he thought the drumming was wild and all over the place on T&M. Later he said he most enjoyed druymming on Burnin for You because he had worked out all the parts ahead of time and went in to record his track w/Buck on bass since total band run throughs weren't quite getting the job done. More recently if i remember skimmin the tBS board on AOL hes made coments about getting back to the wilder all over the place style and digging it. > I don't know how you can really say one guy is better than the other > on any instrument (unless one of them sucks). That sounds like words to live by. >Joe has always been on of my > greatest bass influences. I wish he was still playing bass. His bass parts > are a big reason that most of us consider the first 3 albums to be the best. > Danny is a great player as well, but listen to HF and tell me if it wouldn't > have been just as good with somebody else playing on it. There is no way > the first 3 albums would have been so great without either Al or Joe. > Nobody else was playing like that back then (that I know of). Dont forget though that Al and joe's unique rhytmn section developed out of playing with each other for years in the Regal tones and other acts...and long stretches of playing with buck in Clarkson. Danny given time will be a viable goooood addition to the BOC lineup. just let him write a bit... get away from those bloody bloom power chord monotonous-o-ramas > > Part of the reason that RBN doesn't quite make much of a statement is > because the drumming has little flavor (the production on the drums is > pretty lame as well). ditto Heaven forbid. I think part of it has also to do with the way some of the tracks were records. the biggest production disappointments for me were Harvest Moons sound and Still burnin'. Those two are weeeeedy. See you in black has some good drummery and it was produced chunkily like a rock song should be. > There have been many good drummers in BOC of recent years, but part of the > current problem is lack of a consistent voice coming from that instrument. Not to mention that voice being assimilated as a creative option not just playing OLD ditties under buck and erics tunesmithery.. such as it is (cough). It would be cool if BOC started doing cant get next to you from the red and the black days. hehehe. cuold at least dredge up wings of mercury. If BOC ever decided to celebrate the anniversary of SWU it would be nice to actually do some of the lanier tunes from that era. i know he did gil blanco county. Off to the state fair o'er the weekend with fam-ill-lee, Jason From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Sep 1 10:14:03 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:14:03 -0400 Subject: OTHER: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <39AFA835.444E5A85@mitre.org> Message-ID: Is it true that Spinal Tap will be doing a couple of live shows to promote the DVD of the movie? I haven't seen them in many movies lately, and the Simpsons is winding down...maybe they should become a *real* band. That would seem to fit perfectly in this so-called "postmodern era." >> obSong> "Back From the Dead" Spinal Tap > > Cool song - I downloaded it from "Tapster.com" as well. In a strange > BOC twist, when Tapster.com was originally set up a few weeks back, you > could download a few non-Spinal Tap MP3s from there as well as this new > song and other Tap classics -- interestingly enough, one of the other > songs was BOC's "Don't Fear The Reaper" > > On a related Tap note, I just picked up the re-masters of "Break Like > The Wind" and "This is Spinal Tap Motion Picture Soundtrack". The > "Break Like The Wind" re-master doesn't offer much over the original, > but the soundtrack has expanded liner notes w/lyrics and 2 "bonus > tracks" - the A and B sides of the 1984 "Christmas With The Devil" 45 release. > > John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Sep 1 10:16:12 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax In-Reply-To: <200009011405.KAA16981@mailgate.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: => its a shame we'll never get a mofi remaster of Secret Treaties. => 'twould be cool all cleaned up and stuff. All the more reason for us to start lobbying DCC! Their remaster of _Aqualung_ smokes everything I've heard... Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, 8/9/2000 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Sep 1 11:39:31 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:39:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Brixton directions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, [Stanstead] >Not exactly close to London, though. Ooh-Ooh... My flight is going to land there. What is the best/cheapest/quickest way to get from Stanstead to the Academy? thanks & (c)IAO D+R From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 12:32:11 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:32:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton directions Message-ID: Take the Stanstead express (train) from the airport, get off at Tottenham Hale, buy a tube ticket to Brixton, get on the southbound Victoria Line (underground) and stay on the train to the end of the line. Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > Hi, > > [Stanstead] > >Not exactly close to London, though. > > Ooh-Ooh... > My flight is going to land there. What is the best/cheapest/quickest way to > get from Stanstead to the Academy? > > thanks & (c)IAO > > D+R -- Senior Systems Administrator Phone:0207 973 4000 Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From m.j.crook at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 1 15:33:53 2000 From: m.j.crook at BTINTERNET.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:33:53 +0100 Subject: HW Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: Doug Wrote: >Does 'Stonehenge Collection' have any unfortunate edits along those lines? > >At least the Pink Fairies CD on Purple Pyramid includes the complete live >at Glastonbury version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout"! I haven't noticed any yet, although I would have to compare them against my old vinyl LPs. Like I said it is a long time since Iv'e played these tracks. They do claim to be remastered, but I'm not too sure about that. Mick May there always be starlight on the path... Burnham Jr. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 15:58:59 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:58:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: > Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I > would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming > a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan > To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining > Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like > Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we > all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear > the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey > solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy > Garibaldi (who does know) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J D > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM > Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan > Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's > return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a > comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, > Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in > his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious > due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD > wouldn't want to be competing for the same > audience or even that he'd want to be in the > audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning > something else?I dunno, would the originator care > to comment?Personally I don't want to see any > bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious > reasons.Jez > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri Sep 1 18:13:26 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates Inc) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:13:26 -0600 Subject: HW:getting to Brixton Message-ID: In the continuing effort to get to London from USA affordably, are there 4 others (or more) interested in being part of a group? It means a roundtrip fare (via Virgin Atlantic) of $206 (including taxes and fees) from NY or Newark, at this point. Auction closes on Monday. Let me know this weekend Mark Licht (505)438-7771 Mountain time zone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Sep 1 19:01:09 2000 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:01:09 +0900 Subject: HW: Badges Message-ID: Well, everyone else seems to be joining in. So count me in. Dave From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Sep 1 19:02:34 2000 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:02:34 +0900 Subject: HW: CD-Rs Message-ID: Sorry to waste bandwidth. Whoever it was I was going to trade Crowes/Page for HW CD-R, can you mail me again, I've lost your address, sorry. Dave From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Fri Sep 1 19:29:04 2000 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:29:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Brad Dahl To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: BOC: Drumming and bass and Exlax >Hey guys, > >I was just listening to the "Original Master Recording" of BOC, S/T and >Tyranny and Mutation and I was thinking "The drumming on Tyranny and >Mutation is totally possessed". > >... > >Back to pregnant women OD'ing on Exlax, > >Brad Dahl, reporting live from the Utah Poison Control Center Hey, Brad. I completely agree, although I think that Secret Treaties might have be a fabulous album its production values had been different (i.e., better). I think we get an idea of the bands' musical brilliance when you listen to "On Your Feet..", but I wish that we'd have had a better live chronicle of those early days than the "Official Bootleg", or whatever the heck it's called. The first time I saw the band was at the Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium for an all day (night rock fest). Two unknown bands opened, Bob Seeger and the Silver Bullet Band and .38 Special. Johnny and Edgar Winter followed and the BOC. Top of the Bill was KISS. I can summarize--the first 3 bands were a heckuva lot of fun. BOC would have soared if it hadn't rained. Al Bouchard played the drums non-stop while it rained and he blew KISS's drummer off the stage. BOC came back and played a few more songs, the out came KISS and the KISS Army--yech! I think that I was most amazed by the number of flubbed notes by KISS, not their stage show. Sorry you can't go to the upcoming show, but it'll still be fun. See you work for the Utah Poison Control Center, did some time in tox at University of Texas at SA and then a lot of time at Univ. of Il in Chicago. Tox has a special place in my heart and on a nice pair of shoes that I used to wear (there's nothing like emesis of activated charcoal, twinkies, aspirin and beer to really screw up cheap leather). Richard Tampa, FL From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Fri Sep 1 10:37:45 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:37:45 +0100 Subject: OFF:Motorhead Message-ID: Well the limited edition triple LP best of arrived today, so that should be the rest of the weekend taken care of. It certainly looks purty and those 5 live tracks from 81 look very appealing. Stuart http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Sep 2 04:08:00 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:08:00 -0500 Subject: HW: booklet that came with Hawklords uk LP Message-ID: I have a good copy of the this Pan Transcendental Industries booklet. Is there any interest in 300 x 300 dpi scans of it's contents. It'd be 8 b/w scans, size of each would be about 1100kb. Each scan would print on a standard page, since I resized the pages a little smaller than the original. If there is interest I'll post them to my freediskspace. dan From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Sat Sep 2 06:04:01 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:04:01 +0100 Subject: Brixton Message-ID: My ticket is here ! I'm looking forward to meeting people from boc, see you in the beehive before, but what time will people be arriving ? Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Sep 2 06:28:58 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:28:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: <005801c014c5$53b8b2a0$761d3c3e@tinypc> Message-ID: >My ticket is here ! >I'm looking forward to meeting people from boc, see you in the beehive before, >but what time will people be arriving ? >Geoff Last Brixton gig I got there in good time, and Mike Holmes had been in the bar all day! ;) I reckon there'll be folk there from quite early. Doors at 9? Easily from 7 onward. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sat Sep 2 07:28:58 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:28:58 +0200 Subject: HW: booklet that came with Hawklords uk LP In-Reply-To: <39B0B560.E572A262@uswest.net> Message-ID: Hi Dan, [PTI Inc. booklet] >If there is interest I'll post them to my freediskspace. Great idea! I always wanted a copy of that booklet so please scan it. thanks & (c)IAO D+R From m.j.crook at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Sep 2 09:13:00 2000 From: m.j.crook at BTINTERNET.COM (Mick Crook) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:13:00 +0100 Subject: HW: booklet that came with Hawklords uk LP Message-ID: I'm interested Dan, nice one! Mick >I have a good copy of the this Pan Transcendental Industries booklet. >Is there any interest in 300 x 300 dpi scans of it's contents. It'd be >8 b/w scans, size of each would be about 1100kb. Each scan would print >on a standard page, since I resized the pages a little smaller than the >original. > >If there is interest I'll post them to my freediskspace. > >dan > > From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat Sep 2 09:15:57 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:15:57 +0100 Subject: HW: So Alan's back! In-Reply-To: <200008311929.PAA05839@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, Thanks for clearing this up. (Also to Andy Garibaldi). Dave. At 15:29 31/08/00, Gordon Reid wrote: >This info came from me I was talking to Alan on satarday night, the funny >thing is me & the mates were just talking about this today, you know that >some of the stuff you read on here you think is that true or are we in >fantasy land, that is when i said well we know we were talking to him and >thats good enough for me. On the same note other people might also be >telling the truth for all anyone knows all these ex Hawkwind members might >just be fucking with our heads. And on!!!! A mate of mine phoned me today >after buying the new best of Motorhead CD and he said in the notes that it >said Lemmy will be recording with Hawkwind later in the year, but once again >is it true. > >Cheers. >Gordon. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 2 09:50:53 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:50:53 EDT Subject: OFF:Motorhead Message-ID: got the cd; shame about the last-minute decision to pull of the older live stuff originally chosen, so as not to overshadow the 81 material: Leavin' here ( golden years ep)and born to raise hell (everything louder..) were pulled at the last minute, and nothing from the no sleep...'s was chosen. also, legalities prevented anything from bastards being included, a real shame 'cause in my mind, that's an incredible lp. still, the best motorhead comp yet as it covers them right up to this year!! bobm From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Sep 2 10:51:14 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:51:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. Must say there is much confusion about this. I have this from a reliable source. Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. I know I will enjoy myself. So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Garth" Subject: [DG] Diamanda in Manchester Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:03:07 -0500 Size: 2899 URL: From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Sep 2 11:55:21 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:55:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Now what we seem to have is two reliable sources with conflicting information. Would be nice now if maybe Kris or Dave would step in and clarify once and for all on this one, please? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. Must say there is much confusion about this. I have this from a reliable source. Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. I know I will enjoy myself. So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 3 07:02:17 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:02:17 +0100 Subject: HW: booklet that came with Hawklords uk LP Message-ID: I saw a copy of this LP (Hawklords '25 years On') the other day (without the booklet) in case anyone is interested. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: HW: booklet that came with Hawklords uk LP > I have a good copy of the this Pan Transcendental Industries booklet. > Is there any interest in 300 x 300 dpi scans of it's contents. It'd be > 8 b/w scans, size of each would be about 1100kb. Each scan would print > on a standard page, since I resized the pages a little smaller than the > original. > > If there is interest I'll post them to my freediskspace. > > dan > From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sun Sep 3 12:24:46 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:24:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawklords LP scans Message-ID: Are now up on freediscspace, Please open this link in your browser window: http://www.myspace.com/Folders/6430647/ Use the following password to access the folder: "borntogo" - for reading 8 scans total. From blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Sep 3 13:07:58 2000 From: blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (Gordon Reid) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:07:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:51:14 +0200, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: >Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, >but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. >Must say there is much confusion about this. >I have this from a reliable source. >Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for >the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking >to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). >I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. >The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's >not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. >Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for >the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. >Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. >I know I will enjoy myself. >So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >greetings >filip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan > > > I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! > Ian Abrahams wrote: > > Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan > To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J D > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM > Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan > Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez > I don't want to sound cheeky but there seems to be a lot of reliable sources out there with no name so personally when someone like Alan Davey himself tells you this kind of information i would tend to belive it, I mean when i first asked if he had anything to do with the brixton gig he said I've got a lot to do with it, then he told me that he was back in hawkwind and then we were talking again about the brixton gig thats when he mentioned that there would be old & new hawkwind members there, so maybe a lot of these ex hawkwind members are going to be there, maybe doing there own stuff as well as having something to do with the Hawkwind part of it for instance Alan said that bedouin will be doing a set at some point in the evening, but take from this what you will. p.s. No matter what happens lets face facts it will be EXCELLANT. Cheers. Gordon. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Sep 3 17:22:28 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:22:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Apart from the Davey bit (well, he himself told three people he's joining full time but keeping Bedouin active) I know nothing about the rest of this, have heard none of it and can't even begin to confirm or deny any of it, so over to whoever it is who's 'in the know'. Andy Garibaldi (just before anyone starts to think this has come from this camp by any chance) ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. Must say there is much confusion about this. I have this from a reliable source. Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. I know I will enjoy myself. So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Sep 3 17:23:11 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:23:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Dave's on holiday!!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Now what we seem to have is two reliable sources with conflicting information. Would be nice now if maybe Kris or Dave would step in and clarify once and for all on this one, please? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. Must say there is much confusion about this. I have this from a reliable source. Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. I know I will enjoy myself. So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Sep 3 18:18:39 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:18:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. However, the thought of missing what could be a true classic is even more painful, so not doubt, the deed will be done! Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 3 18:59:46 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:59:46 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: X-Brothers, Heaven Forbid, Brain Surgeons In-Reply-To: <39AE5688.1CFE2623@mitre.org> Message-ID: Far too long since I chimed in on a BOC thread :-) On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, John A. Swartz wrote: > > Are you guys kidding??? I'd trade everything after > > Imaginos for one really heartfelt, kick-ass new studio > > by the original five members! ON the other hand, I > > don't really think I'd care all that much to see them > > just rehashing the old stuff. I'd still pay to see it, > > mind you. . . but I'd much rather see a full-on studio > > collaboration. > > When you say "everything after Imaginos", are you referring only to BOC, > or BOC/tBS/X-Brothers? If you just mean BOC, I'd agree - that only > leaves out HF, Bad Channels, and lost of compilations. My point was > more that there would be too much "politics" involved - Al and Joe would > probably only get a few songs on the album, and much of the volume of > material they've released since Imaginos would go unreleased. Also, I'm > assuming that just getting the lineup back together wouldn't recreate > the kind of vibe and chemistry they had back in the 70s. That's it - that one kick-ass album would never happen. You can't recreate that first few years' chemistry after all the water under the bridge. Besides, Eric would probably get murdered and then where would we be? (Joke...) > > I'd have to say I'm somewhere in the middle. I like > > her on some songs, don't on others. I have to say, > > though, that she really ruins one of my favorite TBS > > tunes, "A Kiss Is A Promise", with that ungodly > > wailing. That high-pitched, throat-rava ging scream > > just doesn't fit if you ask me. Otherwise I think it's > > a great tune. > > What, Deb just ain't "sensitive" enough for ya? ;-) > But, that "ungodly wailing" may not seem to fit the song, but it fits > the overall vibe of *Trepanation*, IMHO. I think it *does* fit the song - it's about hurt and she sounds like she knows about it. No sweet-voiced starlet is going to carry that off, at least now Billie Holliday is dead. Deb's entirely capable of doing the soulful and sweet, as `Casa Del Sol' on _Box of Hammers_ shows. Just not what was needed here. But then, I remember when Deb was on this list and I still wouldn't dare say a word against her :-) > And again, I'm not saying we wouldn't like to see a "reunion", I just > don't think a continued long-term partnership would be in the best > interests of the bandmembers or the fans. A song or two with Al or Joe as guest writers or even musicians would be a fine thing. I'm less excited, though still quite, about the possibility that we might now see Buck with tBS, which although no-one's said anything is a lot more possible than it used to be. On the other hand, Al and Joe back in the band, no thanks. Too much bad history, it could only disappoint and muck up tBS and XBros into the bargain. But I think 3OC could sure use some help writing songs these days, and why not get it from the same place they used to? :-) > I see it more as a step in the direction of friendships that transcend > music - I don't see it as necessarily a step toward future musical > collaboration. That isn't why they got together. From a fan's > standpoint it's very cool to think that we will hear music in the future > from Buck/Al/Joe playing together. But from THEIR perspectives, I > expect the much more cool thing was that they were able to get together > and pay tribute to a mutual friend - and maybe share some personal > moments with eachother. If it ultimately leads to future musical > collaboration, that's great - but that would really be a by-product of > why they got back together in the first place (and it would be unfair > for fans to place any sort of expectation in this). This is well up to John's normal standard of balance and I leave it in because I can't better it :-) > > No, my dislike is not because of her style, talent or delivery. I just > > can't > > get used to a female voice in my rock n' roll. Like I said, its my own > > little hang up. > > Paul Stanley once said, "How can you understand rock and roll if you > don't have balls?" > Of course, he made a living out of wearing makeup... ;-) There are so many men who don't understand rock'n'roll despite a full set of equipment that I don't think they can be mandatory :-) > > > Uh, guess what? Jon Shirley didn't write the lyrics to "Harvest Moon". > > > > I'm assuming that BD did? Its always been hard for me not to like any > > BD song. > > Yes, I believe he did. Yup, it's a Buck song I believe, and the only one on _Heaven Forbid_ on which the lyrics don't annoy me. I can manage `Hammer Back', but the rest of Shirley's verbiage strikes me as taking the bluntest tools available to express one very simple idea. Pearlman he ain't; Meltzer he ain't, hell he ain't anyone who previously wrote for the band really. Only `You Weren't The One' reaches his level of banality IMO. Which is odd, because his prose isn't too bad - tries too hard to be Steven King but shows much more imagination and variety than these lyrics. `The Horsemen Arrive' shows he can do better, I just wish he would, or that they'd get their words somewhere else. > > But as an Album, Trepanation never had the > > feelin' of internal cohesion that Epon. or the other 3 had... > > I feel the opposite - Trepanation was much more "cohesive" than > Eponymous. Box of Hammers is also very cohesive. The other albums less > so - which really is to say that there are more stylistic variations on > them. But, to each his/her own... I have to say, _Box of Hammers_ is the only one of the first 4 (haven't got PoW yet - priorities, like eating and so on) I think really makes it as an album. Well, that's unfair, _Trepanation_ is to my mind the most consistent product, but I think that adherence to the sound damps some of the material a bit - sharper production or just less fuzz might have helped a few of them considerably I feel. On the other hand I can see how the band wanted to record something more organic than _Eponymous_, which is assuredly super-fine in production but was recorded to click-tracks and sounds too, well, slick and robotic. Its material is however brilliant - nonetheless, it's only _Box of Hammers_ that for me matches up to BOC for sheer excitement. The others are just rock albums - they're very good, hey, they're probably better than several BOC albums in empirical terms but they don't have that spark, that magic that BOC still always have. The loud tracks on _Malpractise_ come close also. My point being, if I can still remember, that I think _Trepanation_ *is* the most cohesive tBS album, and that compared to the others that's its failing. BoH every time for me. Yours, Jon ObCD: V/A - _The Elf & The Hawk_ -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 3 19:10:16 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 00:10:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan In-Reply-To: <005701c01389$fd9c4c60$658f883e@jezd> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, J D wrote: > I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a > mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter. In > it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the > ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig. I read that as > meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or > even that he'd want to be in the audience himself. Maybe others read > that as meaning something else? I dunno, would the originator care to > comment? Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy > at Brixton, for obvious reasons. Well, has a link to Bedouin tour dates which has them down as appearing at Brixton on the 21st October, so I'd guess Alan'll be there in one form at least. And from the number of `confirmed' rumours around I'd guess anyone who turns up will get a song with the Hawks if no more... The Lloyd Langton Band also seem (from links on the same page) to be turning up, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 3 19:14:50 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 00:14:50 +0100 Subject: HW Stonehenge Collection In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000831160747.009bd650@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:49:30 +0100, Mick Crook > wrote: > >Thanks Andy, the lable is Purple Pyramid, is that the same as Cleopatra? I've > >long since lost track of all these various lables. > > Yes, Purple Pyramid seems to be the Cleopatra subsidiary for > spacerock/psych/krautrock/etc. That also seems to have a nasty habit of > not quite giving you everything you thought you were paying for. I was > incensed when I found that the last 3-1/2 minutes of "Robot" are cut from > the version on their 'Golden Void' double CD. I've also heard that their > Ash Ra Tempel 2-fers cut out some of the material, but I haven't actually > heard the CD's (and after my experience with 'Golden Void' I certainly > won't be buying them!). > > Does 'Stonehenge Collection' have any unfortunate edits along those lines? I don't know about this one, but their edition of Brainticket's _Celestial Ocean_ is up to Hawkwind standard :-) It has the first track on it twice, once by itself and once indexed with the second one. OK, fine, you just start with the second track, but they also did it so that there are two-second gaps between all the tracks, which on an album which segues at every opportunity really does suck. Still an excellent album but Purple Pyramid really haven't done much to make it so other than making it available, which I guess counts for quite a lot :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Sep 3 20:32:51 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:32:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Harvey photos posted Message-ID: Just to let everyone know, I've added some photos of Harvey Bainbridge from his performance July 29, 2000 at J. J. Kelley's in Lansing, Illinois. http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/harvey.html John Majka From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Sep 3 21:38:18 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:38:18 -0400 Subject: HW Stonehenge Collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Jon Jarrett wrote: => I don't know about this one, but their edition of Brainticket's => _Celestial Ocean_ is up to Hawkwind standard :-) It has the first track on => it twice, once by itself and once indexed with the second one. OK, fine, => you just start with the second track, but they also did it so that there => are two-second gaps between all the tracks, which on an album which segues => at every opportunity really does suck. Still an excellent album but Purple => Pyramid really haven't done much to make it so other than making it => available, which I guess counts for quite a lot :-) Yours, The good thing about having access to a CD writer is that you can fix crap like this yourself and re-burn a good copy! Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, 8/9/2000 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Sep 3 20:51:02 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:51:02 -0400 Subject: Was: HW: Stonehenge, now Brainticket Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Jon Jarrett wrote: => I don't know about this one, but their edition of Brainticket's => _Celestial Ocean_ is up to Hawkwind standard :-) It has the first track on => it twice, once by itself and once indexed with the second one. OK, fine, => you just start with the second track, but they also did it so that there => are two-second gaps between all the tracks, which on an album which segues => at every opportunity really does suck. Still an excellent album but Purple => Pyramid really haven't done much to make it so other than making it => available, which I guess counts for quite a lot :-) Yours, And I've heard that some folks have gotten "Voyage" with "Adventure" on it, and vice versa. Mine are both ok, though. I suppose if you get both misprints, it's ok...if you get only one though, it's a problem. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. The biggest PP crime was the totally unnecessary and insane removal of The Dream Nebula, Pt. II from the Nektar compilation of the same name. A two-CD compilation that runs about 100 minutes...how stupid is that? And they used the terrible RTF mix once again. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 3 23:35:56 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:05:56 +0930 Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Message-ID: Good for him I say!!! 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:53 AM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Dave's on holiday!!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Now what we seem to have is two reliable sources with conflicting information. Would be nice now if maybe Kris or Dave would step in and clarify once and for all on this one, please? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan Sorry to have spread this news without checking this out thoroughly, but Alan only seems to come back for the Brixton gig. Must say there is much confusion about this. I have this from a reliable source. Also have heard from the same source that Doug Smith is the promoter for the Brixton gig,and Dave wasn't too keen to do it.Hey Doug is even of thinking to come over from Spain to attend the gig,wow(just kidding). I don't mean Dave don't want to do it,but as I understand he's afraid of the hassels. The same source says there will be certainly no Michael Moorcock,and he's not even sure about Lemmy,although they play the 22nd. Maybe Lemmy during the encore for "Silver Machine",but certainly not for the whole gig.Sure hope this is not true,but I fear for it,it's true. Anyway,I'll be there and really looking forward to see the Hawks since 2 years. I know I will enjoy myself. So let's all have a bashing party the 21th!!!!!!!!!!!!! greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan I was hoping that Lemmy would join full time (as DB said) Reminds me of the gig September 1989 Brixton where Lemmy came onstage and ripped Alan's bass off him!! Ian Abrahams wrote: Well this is really good news and a boost for the continuation of HW I would have thought. Now, what about that rumour that Lemmy is forming a Bedouin tribute band called Sword of the East? :-)))) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Rumour of Alan To put this one well and truly to bed, Alan is joining Hawkwind full-time after the reunion, but it looks like Bedouin will take a back seat rather than disappear.While we all applaud the former, believe me, once you all get to hear the new Bedouin album (as opposed to the next Alan Davey solo that we are doing), you'll regret the latter.Andy Garibaldi (who does know) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: HW: Rumour of Alan Hi,I'm wondering if the original rumour of AD's return is in fact a mis-interpretation of a comment in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter.In it, Brian was listing AD dates, but then said that in his opinion the ones around 21st Oct are dubious due to the HW gig.I read that as meaning that AD wouldn't want to be competing for the same audience or even that he'd want to be in the audience himself.Maybe others read that as meaning something else?I dunno, would the originator care to comment?Personally I don't want to see any bassist other than Lemmy at Brixton, for obvious reasons.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 3 23:42:56 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:12:56 +0930 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a good time. The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. 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URL: From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Mon Sep 4 05:15:57 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:15:57 +0100 Subject: HW For Sale Message-ID: A few more items just went up at http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist Stuart http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Mon Sep 4 05:17:01 2000 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:17:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Bassists for the all-nighter Message-ID: FOFP writes: > >Stuckey, Robert writes: > >> Bring on Alan, he can sing > >errr, hang on, that's a bit strong innit? > >FoFP Yeah, well Lemmy is hardly Pavarotti, is he? cheers - Rob -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 08:05:09 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:05:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:28:58 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > >My ticket is here ! > >I'm looking forward to meeting people from boc, see you in the beehive > before, > >but what time will people be arriving ? > >Geoff > > Last Brixton gig I got there in good time, and Mike Holmes had been in the > bar all day! ;) I hope you're not suggesting that I'd be up before lunchtime? FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Sep 4 08:08:22 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:08:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Message-ID: I'm fully intending to be there good 'n' early. Anyone else? Cheers, Rich. > Andy Gilham writes: > > > >My ticket is here ! > > >I'm looking forward to meeting people from boc, see you in the beehive > > before, > > >but what time will people be arriving ? > > >Geoff > > > > Last Brixton gig I got there in good time, and Mike Holmes had been in the > > bar all day! ;) > > I hope you're not suggesting that I'd be up before lunchtime? > > FoFP _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 08:13:40 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:13:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations In-Reply-To: J D's message of Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:18:39 +0100 Message-ID: J D writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C015FD.4B0805A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. > On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age = > will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's = > the worst "HW" gig ever performed? The one in the top field at Stonehenge early evening either '82 or '83. Nick and Dave came to fighting on stage after arguing which track to play and then Dave playing one with Nik singing another. It degenerated from there, with Nik going into his "Uncle Sam's on heroin" and "Get off my mummy Uncle Sam" rock circus routine. It's the only Hawkwind gig I've walked away from. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 4 12:43:04 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:43:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations In-Reply-To: <002f01c01622$374d8420$23a66ccb@arcom> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, michael blackman wrote: > And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show > - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a > good time. > > The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. > > Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) In my limited HW experience, the only thing you can safely expect is that they won't do anything you'd thought of. Sounds good to me :-) Yours, Jon (who has coaxed at least one HW novice and maybe more to come along) From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Mon Sep 4 14:33:05 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:33:05 -0400 Subject: SLOTERDIJK: Beyond the Fringe; FREE Fest style show: 9/7 Message-ID: Members of the space rock project SLOTERDIJK will perform a FREE FEST style acoustic show in Mario Lanza Park (200 block of Queen Street), this coming thursday, september 7th, at 7:30 PM The lineup: Mike Burro: Guitar & Vocals Jay Adcock: Djembe and assorted percussion Robert McConnel: Bass The material for the evening will include Amercian traditionals, original compositions, and folky renditions of materiall by artists such as Marc Bolan, Ron Shierman (Fairport Convention), Hawkwind, Blue Oyster Cult, Mott The Hoople, The Rolling Stones and Uriah Heep. Bring hand held percussion instruments if you like, and a lawn chair too!!!! For additional information, directions or questions contact: Gail Chapman ( event organizer) at: (215) 922-1829 Remember it's FREE!!!!!!!!!!! http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 4 13:27:11 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:27:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: Mike, I remember you mentioning this before. I was Stonehenge in both 82 & 83 and can't remember any of this. Is any of this on the tapes from those 2 gigs or was this an unrecorded event? Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:13 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations > J D writes: > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C015FD.4B0805A0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Hi, > > The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. > > On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age = > > will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's = > > the worst "HW" gig ever performed? > > The one in the top field at Stonehenge early evening either '82 or '83. > Nick and Dave came to fighting on stage after arguing which track to > play and then Dave playing one with Nik singing another. It degenerated > from there, with Nik going into his "Uncle Sam's on heroin" and "Get off > my mummy Uncle Sam" rock circus routine. It's the only Hawkwind gig I've > walked away from. > > FoFP > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 4 18:34:24 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:34:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: well friggin' said - at last the voice of common sense. But - hey - let's have a bit of fun - it's 10 hours but you won't have 10 hours of playing time. So far we know that present and correct will be Dave, Harvey, Alan, Lemmy, Swindells (was it), Richard & Jerry, Huw, Mr House....has anyone got actual confirmation of the Turner mob being there?........so that presumably means a Harvey set (30 mins or so), a Bedouin set (40-45 mins perhaps), possibly a Langton spot (25 mins). Of course if the Turner band turn up and play, that's say, another 40-60 mins, but would Dave join in? Or who else will be there?. Don't suppose anything involving the Americans is on the cards so don' expect a Spiral Realms set....unless of course someone' s played the ace in the hole and managed to get Del across from Canada - after all they know where he lives. Getting intersting, huh? So, about 2 and a half hours there. Let's get to Hawkwind. They could do a Magma style reunion and do 6 hours across 4 line-ups (I was there and Vander did all 6 hours - now that was something else) or they could do a giant Space Ritual type set with people wandering in and out according to tracks and interest, loose, but could lead to some interesting line-ups along the way, Or it could be just one gigantic set with all of them on stage at once for a couple of hours. Either way, and with more possibilities than I've considered, the fact is that it's going to be unexpected and fun - no one will get exactly what they want out of this - that's impossible - but we should all get a thrill somewhere down the line if not for all of it. No matter how you set your mind you are going to be disappoinred with something and elated with something else. So, providing whoever is putting all this together is doing it WITH THE FANS IN MIND, it will be good. The moment someone tries too hard to do something that the audience is not going to be 'au fait' with, will be when the cracks appear round the edges.I don't think that will happen - let's hope the confidence is not misplaced. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a good time. The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. However, the thought of missing what could be a true classic is even more painful, so not doubt, the deed will be done! 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URL: From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 5 01:39:46 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:39:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: Andrew - an excellent summing up of this gig's potential. Is Ron totally out of the loop with HW now? ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations well friggin' said - at last the voice of common sense. But - hey - let's have a bit of fun - it's 10 hours but you won't have 10 hours of playing time. So far we know that present and correct will be Dave, Harvey, Alan, Lemmy, Swindells (was it), Richard & Jerry, Huw, Mr House....has anyone got actual confirmation of the Turner mob being there?........so that presumably means a Harvey set (30 mins or so), a Bedouin set (40-45 mins perhaps), possibly a Langton spot (25 mins). Of course if the Turner band turn up and play, that's say, another 40-60 mins, but would Dave join in? Or who else will be there?. Don't suppose anything involving the Americans is on the cards so don' expect a Spiral Realms set....unless of course someone' s played the ace in the hole and managed to get Del across from Canada - after all they know where he lives. Getting intersting, huh? So, about 2 and a half hours there. Let's get to Hawkwind. They could do a Magma style reunion and do 6 hours across 4 line-ups (I was there and Vander did all 6 hours - now that was something else) or they could do a giant Space Ritual type set with people wandering in and out according to tracks and interest, loose, but could lead to some interesting line-ups along the way, Or it could be just one gigantic set with all of them on stage at once for a couple of hours. Either way, and with more possibilities than I've considered, the fact is that it's going to be unexpected and fun - no one will get exactly what they want out of this - that's impossible - but we should all get a thrill somewhere down the line if not for all of it. No matter how you set your mind you are going to be disappoinred with something and elated with something else. So, providing whoever is putting all this together is doing it WITH THE FANS IN MIND, it will be good. The moment someone tries too hard to do something that the audience is not going to be 'au fait' with, will be when the cracks appear round the edges.I don't think that will happen - let's hope the confidence is not misplaced. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a good time. The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. However, the thought of missing what could be a true classic is even more painful, so not doubt, the deed will be done! Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Sep 5 03:30:29 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:30:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Academy - cameras etc Message-ID: Does anyone know what the Academy's policy on cameras, taping etc is? Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 5 03:55:20 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:55:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Academy - cameras etc In-Reply-To: <0fa601c0170b$2ba3fb60$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: I've got a ticket here which says on the back: No professional "type" cameras, video cameras or tape recorders wil be allowed into the Brixton Academy. Their quote marks. Don't know how strictly they enforce it though. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Sep 5 04:02:14 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:02:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Academy - cameras etc Message-ID: Ah - should have looked on the back of mine before I asked really, shouldn't I..? :-) Presumably that means they don't have a problem with instamatics that automatically put a finger over the lens... R. > I've got a ticket here which says on the back: > > No professional "type" cameras, video cameras or tape recorders wil be > allowed into the Brixton Academy. > > Their quote marks. Don't know how strictly they enforce it though. > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Tue Sep 5 06:28:58 2000 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:28:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts Message-ID: I assume that this means no 400mm Zoom lenses and no tripod mounted equipment, so the latest digital video camera with 100x and low-light sensitivity should be fine then !! The only way around the recorders is A) smuggle one in or B) Get permission from one of the band or C) Find out who's running the PA and speak to the techie on the desk. Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with age so anybody who gets either of the above items into the gig can expect at least one request for copies. I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? See ya soon guys, Mark (Hasbeen) > I've got a ticket here which says on the back: > > No professional "type" cameras, video cameras or tape recorders wil be > allowed into the Brixton Academy. > > Their quote marks. Don't know how strictly they enforce it though. > > -- Andy > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 5 07:08:37 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:08:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F7103BF3E@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: > Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with > age so anybody who gets either of the above items into > the gig can expect at least one request for copies. > > I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some > restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from > the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? Well, as I understand it, negotiations are taking place to record and video (and possibly even webcast!) the show officially. The main impediment is that for any sort of agreement you need about twenty signatures, and everybody's share of the take has to be negotiated - if it was a regularly gigging lineup with a single management, it would be a lot easier, but the nature of the beast makes it a bit of a hassle. But I'm sure they'll sort it all out, they'd be daft not to! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 5 08:29:34 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:59:34 +0930 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts Message-ID: Hmmm... Then would a 'semi professional' dat recorder be allowed in I wonder. Tee hee 8>)))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Lee To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts > I assume that this means no 400mm Zoom lenses and no > tripod mounted equipment, so the latest digital video camera > with 100x and low-light sensitivity should be fine then !! > > The only way around the recorders is A) smuggle one in > or B) Get permission from one of the band or C) Find out > who's running the PA and speak to the techie on the desk. > > Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with > age so anybody who gets either of the above items into > the gig can expect at least one request for copies. > > I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some > restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from > the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? > > See ya soon guys, > > Mark (Hasbeen) > > > I've got a ticket here which says on the back: > > > > No professional "type" cameras, video cameras or tape recorders > wil be > > allowed into the Brixton Academy. > > > > Their quote marks. Don't know how strictly they enforce it though. > > > > -- Andy > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 08:56:45 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:56:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations In-Reply-To: J D's message of Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:27:11 +0100 Message-ID: J D writes: > Mike, > I remember you mentioning this before. > I was Stonehenge in both 82 & 83 and can't remember any of this. There was a year they played up the very top field (toward Devizes) mid-evening before it was dark. Later they played further down and a much better gig. > Is any of this on the tapes from those 2 gigs or was this an unrecorded > event? Not sure - I don't have all the Stonehenge recordings. best ask Bernhard. I'm pretty sure about all this. Although I was occasionally intoxicated at Stonehenge, I tended to start drinking at sunset. It's more likely to have been 1982 than 1983. If it's unrecorded, then we're not missing a lot. FoFP > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations > > > > J D writes: > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C015FD.4B0805A0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Hi, > > > The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. > > > On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age = > > > will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's = > > > the worst "HW" gig ever performed? > > > > The one in the top field at Stonehenge early evening either '82 or '83. > > Nick and Dave came to fighting on stage after arguing which track to > > play and then Dave playing one with Nik singing another. It degenerated > > from there, with Nik going into his "Uncle Sam's on heroin" and "Get off > > my mummy Uncle Sam" rock circus routine. It's the only Hawkwind gig I've > > walked away from. > > > > FoFP > > > From m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 09:49:15 2000 From: m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:49:15 +0100 Subject: HW sort of: festivals Message-ID: Dear boclers, I just received info from the Roy Harper mailing list about a site devoted to festivals, found at http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html It has a bit about Bickershaw and Bath (June 70). It is mildly interesting, if you like that sort of thing. Mike w From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 5 08:25:06 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:25:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts Message-ID: On a slightly different tack, would be nice for those of us who might not make the gig if somebody took some photos at the pre-gig BOC-L meet up and made avaliable on a web page or something so that faces can be put to names? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > > Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with > > age so anybody who gets either of the above items into > > the gig can expect at least one request for copies. > > > > I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some > > restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from > > the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? > > Well, as I understand it, negotiations are taking place to record and video > (and possibly even webcast!) the show officially. The main impediment is > that for any sort of agreement you need about twenty signatures, and > everybody's share of the take has to be negotiated - if it was a regularly > gigging lineup with a single management, it would be a lot easier, but the > nature of the beast makes it a bit of a hassle. But I'm sure they'll sort > it all out, they'd be daft not to! > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 5 13:34:37 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:34:37 +0100 Subject: Songs that Set the Hook In-Reply-To: <200008291944.PAA01364@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Nick English wrote: > I'll third this motion, but I still think SYIB is > good. It's not perfect, but it's head and shoulders > above Shirley's other contributions. > > I think a lot of BOC fans -- myself included here -- > are in denial about how inadequate HF is as a Blue > Oyster Cult album. But we can hardly be blamed for > wanting to like it!!! I do agree that Shirley by and large shouldn't have. His lyrics are really inadequate, and how the band can find it in themselves to use them beats me. But anyway. _Heaven Forbid_ is I think not so bad as you make out. I wasn't very impressed with when I first got it, although even then I thought it was pretty good. As far as I was concerned, it only had to be better than their last one, which considering that if you left _Imaginos_ aside meant it only had to beat _Club Ninja_ was easy enough. I ranked it like this - what did it beat - and at the time, I reckoned it also beat _Mirrors_ and _Spectres_ and at first tied with _Revolution By Night_ until I played that one so much trying to decide that I eventually gave up and ranked it above. My reasoning goes something like this. None of these albums really have the *magic* of a good BOC release when everything was firing on all cylinders, or even when it wasn't, on FoUO, but the goods still came up anyway. RbN does feel like an album, rather than just a collection of songs, to me, and I like that - HF doesn't, really, and there's too little of it anyway. On the other hand it has two great songs, `Harvest Moon' and `Cold Gray Light of Dawn', two damn good ones, SYIB and `Hammer Back', and I'll give a certificate of health to `Power Underneath Despair' despite the 2-Unlimited chorus, and to `Still Burnin'' because it's quite fun. I don't think any of the three I put below HF can match that - _Spectres_, though the production really does kill it for me, has `Godzilla' and perhaps `Golden Age' - then there's `Nosferatu' and I think `Fireworks' and none of the rest of it really makes me want to listen. Some of it I actively dislike, which on HF I can only say of `Live For Me', which has one of Shirley's better lyrics but really gets on my nerves. _Mirrors_ has `The Vigil', which is marvellous, and `Dr. Music' which is good but I could pretty much forget everything else. And again, there are things on it I really don't like, though not as badly as _Spectres_, and again, the production saps it, in a different way but no less devitalising. And on _Club Ninja_ there are only the half-good songs. I quite like `Dancing in the Ruins' though I used to hate it, and `Perfect Water' is interesting at least - `White Flags' is OK, and I would relly like `Beat 'Em Up' but for the lyrics which do show that the band could have done worse than Shirley for HF. On the other hand `Madness to the Method' is lameness itself, `Shadow Warrior' just never gets into any gear where it can exert traction upon me, and `Make Rock Not War'... well, the title says it all. While I'm slagging off CN I should also reserve some bile especially for `When the War Comes', on the grounds that it begins with what may be one of the world's all-time riffs, which when I heard it first time made me think of old tired soldiers giving their all in the last battle, and then it does that godsawful upward key shift into Buck's singing range and spouts some of the most meaningless claptrap in the guise of revealed wisdom that exists in rock. Someone should rescue that riff and build the song the way it ought to have been. So, I think HF stands up well to any of those, and knocks CN to the floor laughing at it, indeed. Try this sort of comparison against any of the others and the totals of great songs, good songs and OK songs start to even up and if you go far enough back there just aren't any bad songs. So the others will tend to beat it, for me, but I'd say 12th place out of 15 is still a lot better than it could have been and with BOC the average quality and basic musicianship is still so high that makes it a pretty good record. It is on the other hand still shamefully short and I'm convinced `In Thee' is only there because of that and because otherwise Allen would have no credits. Given that `X-Ray Eyes' would be a psych-pop song in anyone else's hands I think they should try re-recording an SFG number or two just for variety. Or even the SWU stuff. Could they do that legally? I know Elektra own the only actual recordings of it but as long as they pay appropriate royalties they could surely do a `cover' of it. Anyone better at this stuff than I am? Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From sebastian at WELTON.DE Tue Sep 5 14:20:53 2000 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:20:53 +0200 Subject: HW: Back (and Anthology of Cosmic Music) Message-ID: Seeing that telephone charges have been greatly reduced here in Germany I thought I would rejoin the list (after something like 5 years.) Seearching through the archives I came across this from last year: >Hi Folks... > >Just wondered if anyone had seen this item, and if it had gotten into the >official discography of comps. It is material from Space Ritual I guess, >along with some Van Der Graaf, and then most (?) of Amon D??l (UK)'s Die >L?sung with Bob Calvert. (Of course, VDGG's drummer Guy Evans plays on that >one also, which makes the three-way link coherent I guess!). I don't know >what label it's on (it said something like PROPE in the catalog I found this >in...dunno what that is), but I surmise it's from the UK anyway. > >Keith H. (FAA) > >Anthology Of Cosmic Music: >TRACKS >1. Space Is Deep >2. Orgone Accumulator >3. Upside Down >4. Sonic Attack >5. Time We Left This World Today >6. Ten Seconds Of Forever >7. Brainstorm ...and so on... So as my first posting here are the full details (as I can't see them elsewhere): The Silver Collection - Anthology of Cosmic Music - The Very Best of Hawkwind, Van Der Graaf Generator, Robert Calvert and Amon Duul II CD1 Hawkwind 1 Space Is Deep (Brock) 2.07 2 Orgone Accumulator (Brock/Calvert) 8.47 3 Upside Down (Brock) 2.43 4 Sonic Attack (Moorcock) 2.50 5 Time We Left This World Today (Brock) 13.20 6 Ten Seconds Of Forever (Calvert) 2.10 7 Brainstorm (Turner) 12.03 Van Der Graaf Generator 8 Saigon Roulette (Jackson) 4.33 9 Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (Banton/Evans/Jackson) 2.55 10 The Main Slide (Evans) 4.01 11 Tropic Of Conversation (Banton) 7.11 12 Spooks (Jackson) 5.09 13 The Epilogue (Banton) 4.03 CD2 Amon Duul II & Robert Calvert 1 Big Wheel (Unknown) 5.00 2 Urban Indian (Unknown) 5.24 3 Adrenalin Rush (Unknown) 5.13 4 Visions Of Fire (Unknown) 5.49 5 Drawn To The Flame Pt.1 (Unknown) 7.50 6 They Call It Home (Unknown) 4.33 7 Die Losung (Unknown) 3.28 8 Drawn To The Flame (Unknown) 7.30 Van Der Graaf Generator 9 The Liquidator (Hammill) 5.19 10 Rift Valley (Hammill) 4.36 11 Tarzan (Hammill) 2.08 12 Coil Night (Hammill) 4.09 13 Time Vaults (Hammill) 3.35 14 It All Went Up (Hammill) 4.06 15 Faint And Foresaken (Hammill) 2.42 Total playing time: 2 hours 25 minutes The label is Recording Arts/Proper under license from TKO Licensing Limited for The Kruger Organisation Inc. Released in 1999 under the Proper / Retro label. Cheers, Seb. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- Sebastian Welton, Darmstadt, Germany http://www.welton.de E-mail: sebastian at welton.de ? Tel. + Fax: +49 6151 307144 ? Mobile: +49 171 8880522 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From multiverse at ONEBOX.COM Tue Sep 5 14:46:05 2000 From: multiverse at ONEBOX.COM (Berry Sizemore AKA Jhary-a-Conel) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:46:05 -0700 Subject: Dreamthief's Daughter and Caribbean Crisis Bootleg Message-ID: http://www.multiverse.org/news See, I told you all that the new news section would pay off! Here are two news flashes: 1. I replicated a bookleg version of CARRIBEAN CRISIS on multiverse.org. 2. I also happened across a rough version of the DREAMTHIEF'S DAUGHTER rough book cover. It takes about two minutes to get the whole image. I posted it full color, full sized. Enjoy! Jhary-a-Conel __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 5 14:46:47 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:46:47 EDT Subject: Songs that Set the Hook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5 Sep 00, at 18:34, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Given that `X-Ray Eyes' would be a psych-pop song in anyone > else's > hands I think they should try re-recording an SFG number or two just > for variety. Or even the SWU stuff. Could they do that legally? No problem. those songs are now so old, BOC wouldn't even have to get permission! They would still have to pay whoever 'owns' the song a royalty for each copy sold, I guess... theo From denis at D-RIDER.DE Tue Sep 5 17:57:57 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:57:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Ron's bass Message-ID: Hi, does someone know what kind of bass Ron was playing during the 99 winter tour (that headless one)? (c)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 5 19:18:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:18:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts Message-ID: in that case I will be the one wearing the paper bag on my head - but to be serious, I would rather not have my face plastered over any internet page if it's OK with the rest of you. Krel and I share one thing - we don't want to be famous just yet!!! Thanks alot, Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Abrahams" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > On a slightly different tack, would be nice for those of us who might not > make the gig if somebody took some photos at the pre-gig BOC-L meet up and > made avaliable on a web page or something so that faces can be put to names? > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Gilham > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > > > > > Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with > > > age so anybody who gets either of the above items into > > > the gig can expect at least one request for copies. > > > > > > I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some > > > restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from > > > the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? > > > > Well, as I understand it, negotiations are taking place to record and > video > > (and possibly even webcast!) the show officially. The main impediment is > > that for any sort of agreement you need about twenty signatures, and > > everybody's share of the take has to be negotiated - if it was a regularly > > gigging lineup with a single management, it would be a lot easier, but the > > nature of the beast makes it a bit of a hassle. But I'm sure they'll sort > > it all out, they'd be daft not to! > > > > -- Andy > > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Sep 5 20:57:33 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:57:33 -0400 Subject: Songs that Set the Hook Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > On 5 Sep 00, at 18:34, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > No problem. those songs are now so old, BOC wouldn't even have to > get permission! They would still have to pay whoever 'owns' the song > a royalty for each copy sold, I guess... Seriously I think the statute is 50 years and you need the writers's permission. Of course, given the limited sales potential it probably wouldn't be worth it to sue especially for Winters and Braunstein. I'm sure a deal could be worked out. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Sep 5 21:10:08 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:10:08 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 9/2/00 (Q-space int 9/9/00!) Message-ID: ANNOUNCEMENT: I will be interviewing QUARKSPACE next week (9/9/00). 9/2/00 1.Krom Lek--Long Meg (Psychedelic Dot Krom; thanks to Stone Premonitions) 2.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Marijuana Nightmare (Mr. Quimby's Beard; thanks to Hardy) 3.Yeti--Two Fingers (Things to Come...) 4.Triple 0--Part 1: pour que... (Crypto Sensus) 5.American Analogue Set--White House (From Our Living Room to Yours) 6.Neu!--Seeland (Neu! '75) 7.Neutral Milk Hotel--Two-headed Boy/The Fool/Holland, 1945 (In the Aeroplane Over the Sea) 8.Fuxa--3CP (Very Well Organized) 9.Lilys--You Win (Zero Population Growth) 10.Brainticket--Jardins (Celestial Ocean) 11.Sub Oslo--Celestial Dub (Dubs in the Key of Life; thanks to Two-Ohm Hop) 12.AMP--Light Drip Glow (Astral Moonbeam Projections) 13.PXR1--Spirit of the Age (The Hawk and the Elf) 14.Kraftwerk--Kometenmelodie (Autobahn) Thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 5 20:52:19 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:52:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond/gybe! Message-ID: FYI...Bardo Pond mini-tour with Godspeed You Black Emperor! Montreal's favorite multi-instrumentalists have decided that they want the Pond to join them on the road for 5 dates. What is known so far is as follows: October 6- 7th House, Pontiac, MI October 7- Metro, Chicago October 8- Dionysis Club (Oberlin College), Oberlin October 9- McConomy Auditorium (Carnegie Mellon University), Pittsburgh October 10- the 440, Philadelphia (there's a little bit of uncertainty as to the venue- investigate on your own) http://threelobed.com/bardo/ for more... Grakkl (FAA) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 6 01:14:16 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:14:16 +0800 Subject: Very Off Topic: Anthem Message-ID: It does say Very Off Topic hehehe The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American and Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I thought it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end of the Olympics. You will hear it often enough. :-) Cheers Bill ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR Australians all let us rejoice For we are young and free, We've golden soil and wealth for toil; Our land is girt by sea; Our land abounds in nature's gifts Of beauty rich and rare, In history's page, let every stage, Advance Australia Fair. Beneath our radiant Southern Cross We'll toil with hearts and hands; To make this Commonwealth of ours Renowned of all the lands; For those who've come across the seas; We've boundless plains to share: With courage let us all combine To Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 01:48:55 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:48:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts Message-ID: It was just an idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > in that case I will be the one wearing the paper bag on my head - but to be > serious, I would rather not have my face plastered over any internet page if > it's OK with the rest of you. Krel and I share one thing - we don't want to > be famous just yet!!! > Thanks alot, > Andy Garibaldi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Abrahams" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > > > > On a slightly different tack, would be nice for those of us who might not > > make the gig if somebody took some photos at the pre-gig BOC-L meet up and > > made avaliable on a web page or something so that faces can be put to > names? > > > > Ian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Andy Gilham > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:08 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Cameras and thoughts > > > > > > > > Anyway, my memory of the event will probably fade with > > > > age so anybody who gets either of the above items into > > > > the gig can expect at least one request for copies. > > > > > > > > I wonder what the chances are of the band/s enforcing some > > > > restrictions with a view to getting releasable material from > > > > the event though ? After all, when is this gonna happen again ? > > > > > > Well, as I understand it, negotiations are taking place to record and > > video > > > (and possibly even webcast!) the show officially. The main impediment > is > > > that for any sort of agreement you need about twenty signatures, and > > > everybody's share of the take has to be negotiated - if it was a > regularly > > > gigging lineup with a single management, it would be a lot easier, but > the > > > nature of the beast makes it a bit of a hassle. But I'm sure they'll > sort > > > it all out, they'd be daft not to! > > > > > > -- Andy > > > > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > > > From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 6 01:56:26 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:56:26 +1200 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: <002001c017c1$4f092420$664a3bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American and Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I thought it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) Well if we are going to hear the anthem that often then we don't need to learn it do we as we'll all be sick of hearing the damn thing by the end of the games. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 6 02:10:23 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:40:23 +0930 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: I'd like a new anthem thank you that other one is a bit outdated 8>)))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American and > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I thought > it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be > >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end > of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) > > Well if we are going to hear the anthem that often then we don't need to > learn it do we as we'll all be sick of hearing the damn thing by the end of > the games. > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 6 02:22:48 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:22:48 +0800 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: True. Waltzing Matilda would be my choice. Or men At Work's "Land Downunder" Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > that other one is a bit outdated > > 8>)))) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Stockwell > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > > > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American > and > > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I > thought > > it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be > > >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end > > of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) > > > > Well if we are going to hear the anthem that often then we don't need to > > learn it do we as we'll all be sick of hearing the damn thing by the end > of > > the games. > > > From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 6 02:37:02 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:37:02 +1200 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: <001801c017c9$253a0a80$06a66ccb@arcom> Message-ID: > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > that other one is a bit outdated Have you seen the Aussies perform their anthem ... they have ballerinas, tin soldiers, brass bands, rock bands, national pop stars, sports stars, kangaroos, wallabies ... and the latest addition .... aborigines playing didgeridoo's to show the world they care. The local discount outlets must do a roaring trade in plastic buckets to catch all the tears that get shed at each anthem rendition. Hope the IOC have the clampers on how long an anthem can go on for once the games atart otherwise it will be all fists on hearts for 15 minutes for a 2 odd minute race. Richard From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 6 02:33:23 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:33:23 +0800 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American and > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I thought > it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be > >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end > of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) > > Well if we are going to hear the anthem that often then we don't need to > learn it do we as we'll all be sick of hearing the damn thing by the end of > the games. Hehe It would even be better if DB wrote music to the lyrics then you'd hear the damn thing loooooong after the Olympics have finished. Cheers Bill From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 6 04:15:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:45:12 +0930 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: I'd Prefer an original by Dave Brock & da boys myself 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > True. Waltzing Matilda would be my choice. Or men At Work's "Land Downunder" > > Cheers > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael blackman > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > > > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > > > that other one is a bit outdated > > > > 8>)))) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard Stockwell > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > > > > > > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American > > and > > > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I > > thought > > > it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be > > > >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the > end > > > of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) > > > > > > Well if we are going to hear the anthem that often then we don't need to > > > learn it do we as we'll all be sick of hearing the damn thing by the end > > of > > > the games. > > > > > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 6 04:48:25 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:18:25 +0930 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: My new laugh for the day....... Tee Hee 8>) Might catch on 8>))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > > > that other one is a bit outdated > > Have you seen the Aussies perform their anthem ... they have ballerinas, tin > soldiers, brass bands, rock bands, national pop stars, sports stars, > kangaroos, wallabies ... and the latest addition .... aborigines playing > didgeridoo's to show the world they care. The local discount outlets must do > a roaring trade in plastic buckets to catch all the tears that get shed at > each anthem rendition. Hope the IOC have the clampers on how long an anthem > can go on for once the games atart otherwise it will be all fists on hearts > for 15 minutes for a 2 odd minute race. > > Richard > From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 05:26:28 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:26:28 +0100 Subject: FW: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: For me, "The Stars Of Warburton" by Midnight Oil would be good (for Obvious reasons) ChrisW(arburton) ;-{)> -----Original Message----- From: michael blackman [mailto:michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour I'd Prefer an original by Dave Brock & da boys myself 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > True. Waltzing Matilda would be my choice. Or men At Work's "Land Downunder" > > Cheers > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael blackman > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: Nationalistic Fervour > > > > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > > > that other one is a bit outdated > > > > 8>)))) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 6 06:14:19 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:14:19 +1200 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can anyone add to this (sung to the tune of "Advance Australia Fair" How great tho' mighty Hawkwind are all space and light above ............................ ............................. Performed not with fist on heart but one hand on cod piece and the other hand raised with two fingers of the peace sign. Richard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 06:35:55 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:35:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Cameras and thoughts In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:18:01 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > in that case I will be the one wearing the paper bag on my head - but > to be serious, I would rather not have my face plastered over any > internet page Would it blow the witness relocation programme or are you still underground from the 60's? :-) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 06:37:08 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:37:08 +0100 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Bill & Cynthia's message of Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:22:48 +0800 Message-ID: Bill & Cynthia writes: > True. Waltzing Matilda would be my choice. Or men At Work's "Land Downunder" Nah, it's gotta be "Tie me Kangaroo Down Sport". Mike "I'll Wait for the Hawkwind cover..." Holmes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 6 06:55:43 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:55:43 +0100 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Heck, we've already got Hawkwind's paean to one of the mythic Australian heroes: "About as tight as a kangaroo's Khyber, I'd say!" -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 6 07:13:02 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:13:02 +1200 Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Heck, we've already got Hawkwind's paean to one of the mythic Australian heroes: > > "About as tight as a kangaroo's Khyber, I'd say!" ah yer where's the Flying Doctor when you need him. Likely standing out in the desert with his fist on his heart reciting "Advance Australia ..christ mate it ain't 'alf bloody 'ot out here in this desert.. Fair" dinkum mate. the flightless kiwi From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 07:23:54 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:23:54 EDT Subject: Songs that Set the Hook In-Reply-To: <39B5967D.37D540B9@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 5 Sep 00, at 20:57, Albert Bouchard wrote: > "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 00, at 18:34, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > > No problem. those songs are now so old, BOC wouldn't even have to > > get permission! They would still have to pay whoever 'owns' the > > song a royalty for each copy sold, I guess... > > Seriously I think the statute is 50 years and you need the writers's > permission. Of course, given the limited sales potential it probably > wouldn't be worth it to sue especially for Winters and Braunstein. I'm > sure a deal could be worked out. Oops, hand me the towel. A little egg on my face. I thought it was 30 years! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 07:31:26 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:31:26 EDT Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Sep 00, at 17:56, Richard Stockwell wrote: > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the > > American and > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I > thought it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I > might be >wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by > heart by the end of the Olympics. You will hear it often >enough. :-) > Howls! 2 bunches of guys who shave their entire bodies to go swimming are insulting each other! The postmodern era has arrived... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 07:32:59 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:32:59 EDT Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Sep 00, at 18:37, Richard Stockwell wrote: > > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > > > that other one is a bit outdated > > Have you seen the Aussies perform their anthem ... they have > ballerinas, tin soldiers, brass bands, rock bands, national pop stars, > sports stars, kangaroos, wallabies ... and the latest addition .... > aborigines playing didgeridoo's to show the world they care. Hey, the Canadians used Geddy Lee to sing their anthem so I have a hard time ridiculing the Ozzies! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 07:35:41 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:35:41 EDT Subject: Nationalistic Fervour In-Reply-To: <001801c017c9$253a0a80$06a66ccb@arcom> Message-ID: On 6 Sep 00, at 15:40, michael blackman wrote: > I'd like a new anthem thank you > > that other one is a bit outdated > > 8>)))) > Well, I think ours takes the cake for tastelessness. Esp. considering that there are a couple of other very patriotic American songs with halfway decent lyrics, cf America the Beautiful... theo From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Sep 6 07:58:16 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:58:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Yeti Message-ID: >From Peter Thelen of Expos?: Thought I'd pass this along here just in case somebody wants to check them out at one of their Bay Area gigs. We just reviewed their debut CD in the upcoming issue, pretty amazing and intense stuff, somewhere between zeuhl and krautrock but no vocals. p Doug F wrote: Hello everyone, We are proud to announce our westcoast tour with Tarantula Hawk will begin in a week or so. To help us both get on our way to NXNW in Portland, we are playing the Wreck Room in Ft. Worth this Thurs with Sub Oslo. So if you can, we would really appreciate your support by coming out to this show. - Thur. Sep. 7th at the Wreck Room in Ft. Worth w/ Sub Oslo (farewell show) - Tue Sep 12th in San Diego (TBA)- Wed Sep 13th in LA @ PHC Club w/ Tarantula Hawk and Dystopia 1832 Pacific Coast Hwy Wilmington, CA @ the corner of the Pacific Coast Hwy. & Alameda.- Fri Sep.15th live on KFJC 89.7FM in Santa Clara, CA (start 4PM)- Fri Sep. 15th @ Ptomaine Temple in Oakland/Fruitvale, CA (w/ Tarantula Hawk)- Sat. Sep. 16th @ 924 Gilman St. in Berkley, CA (w/ Dystopia, Noothgrush, and Tarantula Hawk)-Sun Sep 17th @ KIMO's in San Francisco, CA (w/ Tarantula Hawk)- Tue. Sep 19th @ John Henry's Club in Eugene, OR w/ Add-X and Tarantula Hawk (Big Kid Productions) 136 E 11th St. 541-342-3358- Wed Sep 20th @ The Paris Theatre (corner of Burnside and 3rd downtown) in Portland, OR w/ Tarantula Hawk and Add-X- Thur. Sep 21st @ Jasmine Tree in Portland, OR (NXNW festival showcase) start 11PM YETI http://home.flash.net/~ohmmusic/yeti/ Peter Thelen "Exploring The Boundaries of Rock" Expos? ptlk at expose.org http://www.expose.org -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Sep 6 08:25:12 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:25:12 -0400 Subject: Very Off Topic: Anthem In-Reply-To: <002001c017c1$4f092420$664a3bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: Them's fightin' words. ;-) My best friend's sister is an alternate on the US 200 freestyle relay (pretty sure about the name of the race- I'm not a swimmer myself). Anyway, she'll swim the preliminary rounds but miss the fun in the finals. So I'll counter that the Star Spangled Banner will not only play for just about every track & field event, I'm afraid it will hit the charts at No.1 by the poolside as well. Brian (who thinks "Dominance & Submission" would make a fine national anthem...hehe) P.S. Theo, maybe you saw her in the Syracuse paper? Her name's Kim Black and she's from L'pool. > It does say Very Off Topic hehehe > > The Olympics will be starting in under 2 weeks. And with the American and > Australian swimming teams already throwing insults at each other, I thought > it was time to teach everyone the Australian Nation Anthem. I might be > wasting my time though, as the world will know it off by heart by the end > of > the Olympics. You will hear it often enough. :-) > > Cheers > Bill From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Sep 6 08:30:42 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: FW: Nationalistic Fervour Message-ID: At 10:26 AM 9/6/2000 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: >For me, "The Stars Of Warburton" by Midnight Oil would be good (for Obvious >reasons) > >ChrisW(arburton) I think my favorite national anthem is Paraguay's. It is by far the world's shortest, only a few bars. Seems when they became independent, they hired a well-known composer to come to Paraguay and compose their anthem. He did, and had just started working on it when he stepped out into the street and was promptly gunned down. And thus there anthem has remained, exactly where he left it. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Wed Sep 6 10:16:40 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:16:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Zeitgeist update Message-ID: I've completely overhauled the links pages at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted soonest. Stuart NP Mad Dogs And Englishmen - Going Down With Alice http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Sep 6 11:09:49 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:09:49 -0700 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: Having recently acquired the BOC live '76 video from a list member (Thanks! you know who you are! Check's in the mail :) it has me thinking my BOC thoughts again... It was lots of fun seeing Al singing Cities on Flame, in his bowler hat and Tuxedo T-shirt. They all look like kids, its amazing. EB with all his hair and his chest exposed (he looked like one of the X-Men hehe), Buck in his white suit, Lanier's ever present cig.. I just wish the sound were better (The video itself could be better quality also but I can forgive that). It brought back a ton of memories, especially the 5 guitar segment. My son, who was born in '86, thought that was major cool (or, Rad, as he put it). Indeed, he may be the youngest BOC fan at the age of 14 (the same age I was when I discovered BOC) though I'm certainly glad that he's not in to the other things (cough) that I was in to at that age. When EB started his little schtick about getting high, I had to explain to my son that, "things were very different back then.." (Ok, yes, I know it sounds hypocritical but though I spent my youth high as a kite, I'd just as soon have my son avoid all that) I refrained from telling him one of my favorite BOC stories where someone threw a handful of joints on stage and most of the band picked them up and lit up. Though the quality of the video is poor, I enjoyed it immensely, it made me feel 16 again for a little while. The 8th wonder of the world, indeed! Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to recall this bit where EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with fake blood and all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at all. I don't remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. Anyone? (OK, lets hear your BOC stories guys, its a slow morning here at the office...) JB From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 6 10:03:15 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:03:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: Hi Folks... I guess this weekend the original movie This is Spinal Tap is going out again for another run in some theaters to coincide with a DVD release (I guess with lots of extra stuff-4.5 hours total) and new versions of the two albums (with bonus tracks I guess). It says the movie is playing at 10 cities and 30 college campuses (presumably all in the US and Canada) on the announcement on www.chiprowe.com/tap/index.html, and then gives the list of 10 cities, but not the colleges. Does anyone know what colleges it is to appear at, and when? Also, I've seen word that today (Wed.) VH1 is playing a 'Where are they now?' feature on Spinal Tap...that would be fun to see, but of course I refuse to pay for cable. Grakkl (FAA) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 6 11:17:58 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:17:58 EDT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: I've only one BOC story (I've only been to one show, so far). At the beginning of 'Golden Age of Leather,' Buck wanted us to sing along, but in an Elmer Fudd voice. "Waise youw can of beew on high . . ." On an irrelevant side note about EB: Does he believe in going over 55 mph while high? And who had the perm/beard/glasses look first, him or Jeff Lynne of ELO? Joe Loehr From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 11:31:20 2000 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:31:20 -0400 Subject: Tickets for Brixton from wayahead.com Message-ID: Has anyone else ordered tickets from http://www.wayahead.com/? My order was placed on 17th August, but I *still* have no tickets. Their online tracking system says "waiting on tickets to come into stock". Hmm, how come everyone else has them then? This place seems crap basically! Anyone else having problems? When I phoned them, the clueless drone on the other end stated something about promoters allocating tickets to places... but I don't get why it's taking so long. Now having visions of never getting the damn things and the gig selling out before I make alternative arrangements. I'd recommend NOT using this place for any future tickets you may need! cheers, Dave From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 11:33:39 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:33:39 EDT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6 Sep 00, at 11:17, Joe Loehr wrote: > On an irrelevant side note about EB: Does he believe in going over 55 > mph while high? Only on his Harley... And who had the perm/beard/glasses look first, him or > Jeff Lynne of ELO? I believe it was a case of parallel evolution, though EB sure perfected it. Back in the days, there wasn't a frontman in rock who could compare to EB's look and stage presence... Poor EB hasn't fared as well as the others in BOC, against the assault of old age. Who'd have figured Allen would even be alive today? He looked like hell 25 years ago, yet remains almost unchanged. Hard to imagine BD's over 50. Al, IMHO is the most youthful of the original band, looking to be in his late 30s instead of 50-plus. Don't know what his secret is... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 11:44:07 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:44:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <200009061509.LAA15487@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: as you mentioned it: Spinal Tap are also doing a one-off show at the Hammersmith "Apollo" (Nee Odeon) on October 12th. I won't be going myself, it's my son's birthday. -- Jon From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Sep 6 11:42:33 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:42:33 +0200 Subject: HW:NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! Message-ID: Hello All, Just had a e-mail in from Adrian Shaw and he is asked by Doug Smith to join in and he'll probably do it !!! I don't know if any of you know Ade,but he's a real nice guy and gentleman. So he's not kidding!!! Would love to see him play with Hawkwind again.He's a very,very good musician. greetings filip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 6 11:47:22 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:47:22 EDT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: In a message dated 9/6/00 10:34:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Al, IMHO is the most youthful of the original band, looking to be in his late 30s instead of 50-plus. Don't know what his secret is... >> Maybe he's got one of them thar Dorain Gray-type portraits in his attic. Joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 6 11:53:02 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:53:02 +0100 Subject: Zeitgeist update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've completely overhauled the links pages at > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html > > If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted soonest. > Couldn't get that to work, dude, but eventually I got to http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/zeitgeist/zeitdex.html -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 6 11:58:26 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:58:26 EDT Subject: HW:NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! In-Reply-To: <000a01c01819$30af0780$d8a508d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On 6 Sep 00, at 17:42, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Hello All, > > Just had a e-mail in from Adrian Shaw and he is asked by Doug Smith to > join in and he'll probably do it !!! I don't know if any of you know > Ade,but he's a real nice guy and gentleman. So he's not kidding!!! > Would love to see him play with Hawkwind again.He's a very,very good > musician. You've got that right! Had the honor of seeing Ade with Bevis Frond, and that dude is one bad bass player! theo From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Sep 6 12:14:40 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:14:40 +0200 Subject: HW:NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! In-Reply-To: <000a01c01819$30af0780$d8a508d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: Hi, >Just had a e-mail in from Adrian Shaw and he is asked by Doug Smith >to join in and he'll probably do it !!! Very good news, indeed!! He's my favourite HW-bassist and although I saw him once with BF, it will be great to see him playing again with HW. (c)IAO D+R From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 6 13:16:36 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:16:36 GMT Subject: BOC: X-Brothers, Heaven Forbid, Brain Surgeons Message-ID: >Are you guys kidding??? I'd trade everything after >Imaginos for one really heartfelt, kick-ass new studio >by the original five members well, such an endeavor would have to include pearlman, meltzer & krugman, and they're not on friendly terms between each other. imho by far the weakest part of HF was the lyrics. with MUCH better lyrics (and perhaps a bit more keybs), I'd say "Treaties II" wouldn't be all that inconceivable. > >I actually like the cover art on HF. The only thing I >found cheezy about it is that the dude's face is a >little too explicit. Otherwise, I think it's a pretty >cool, PHantom of the Opera-ish concept. > > I hated both covers (my copy was the European one), the front one (the woman with the spear) looked like Celine Dion, and the inner one (the harvester of eyes?) looked _almost_ like Iron Maiden. the lyrics were in the same vein, too... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 6 13:09:23 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:09:23 -0700 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:47:22 EDT, Joe Loehr wrote: >In a message dated 9/6/00 10:34:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > ><< Al, IMHO is the most > youthful of the original band, looking to be in his late 30s instead of > 50-plus. Don't know what his secret is... > >> >Maybe he's got one of them thar Dorain Gray-type portraits in his attic. Or an obsidian mirror brought back from Central America? (sorry, couldn't resist!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 6 13:28:24 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:28:24 GMT Subject: check this out - ME 262 website! Message-ID: quote: "The Junkers Jumo 004 is often remembered as a temperamental and failure-prone powerplant" there's lots of technical stuff and one or two good photos at: www.stormbirds.com from what I gathered, it's an attempt to rebuild a couple of ME262's, for fun or something, I don't know. interesting, anyway. no mention of BOC though... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 6 13:31:01 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:31:01 GMT Subject: check this out - ME 262 website! Message-ID: http://www.stormbirds.com/scripts/shopplus.cgi?dn=stormbirds.com&cartid=%CARTID%&file=annex/tshirts.htm and there you can order printed Tshirts! will get one myself when I fix my credit card ... it'll be cool wear it at the New Haven, CT show in 10 days' time Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Sep 6 13:39:02 2000 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:39:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks... > > I guess this weekend the original movie This is Spinal Tap is going out > again for another run in some theaters to coincide with a DVD release (I > guess with lots of extra stuff-4.5 hours total) and new versions of the two > albums (with bonus tracks I guess). It says the movie is playing at 10 > cities and 30 college campuses (presumably all in the US and Canada) on the > announcement on www.chiprowe.com/tap/index.html, and then gives the list of > 10 cities, but not the colleges. Does anyone know what colleges it is to > appear at, and when? It's playing Michigan State tonight. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 6 14:01:26 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:01:26 GMT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: >Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to recall this bit >where >EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with fake blood and >all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at all. I don't >remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > >Anyone? Unknown Tongue, the last song from Cultosaurus: "And then she took her father's razor, and watched it cut into her palm" and so on. It's in the FAQ Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rdc at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 6 14:12:48 2000 From: rdc at NTLWORLD.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:12:48 +0100 Subject: Tickets for Brixton from wayahead.com In-Reply-To: <200009061531.LAA19106@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: I've ordered from Wayahead before with no problem but this time I'm not to happy. At least they havn't debited my credit card (as yet)... Richard. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > Sent: 06 September 2000 16:31 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Tickets for Brixton from wayahead.com > > > Has anyone else ordered tickets from http://www.wayahead.com/? > > My order was placed on 17th August, but I *still* have no > tickets. Their > online tracking system says "waiting on tickets to come > into stock". Hmm, > how come everyone else has them then? This place seems > crap basically! > Anyone else having problems? When I phoned them, the > clueless drone on the > other end stated something about promoters allocating > tickets to places... > but I don't get why it's taking so long. Now having > visions of never > getting the damn things and the gig selling out before I > make alternative > arrangements. > I'd recommend NOT using this place for any future tickets > you may need! > > > cheers, > Dave From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Sep 6 14:16:45 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:16:45 -0700 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: Doh! Call me FAQ lazy... JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Firich [mailto:johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:01 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts > > > >Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to > recall this bit > >where > >EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with > fake blood and > >all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at > all. I don't > >remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > > > >Anyone? > > Unknown Tongue, the last song from Cultosaurus: > > "And then she took her father's razor, and watched it cut > into her palm" and > so on. It's in the FAQ > > Johnny > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Sep 6 14:41:31 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:41:31 +0200 Subject: HW:Kings Of Speed Message-ID: Hello All, Just had in that Spanish Hawkwind:Hawkwind album from Victoria You know with that Flicknife stuff. And KINGS OF SPEED would certainly something for the Hawkestra! They haven't played that for ages !!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Sep 6 14:53:23 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:53:23 +0200 Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock Message-ID: Hello All, There seems to be NO way Michael Moorcock will be there the 21th. Mind though,I don't know this from Ade Shaw but from another source, be sure about that. But there seems to be something VERY wrong between the 2 parties involved. I don't have said Dave and Michael. I don't have said Doug Smith and Michael. The relaible source wouldn't say why. There always have to be some mystery around Hawkwind,doesn't it? Anyway if Moorcock is there I will love it the more. best wishes filip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 6 15:28:14 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:28:14 +0100 Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock Message-ID: Hmm reliable sources again... I remenber a report, maybe a year, or so, ago when this reunion stuff was being being mooted, of Mike saying that he'd not get involved if Doug was involved. Its fairly common knowledge that there's bad feeling betwen the two, leading to the non-appearance of Moorcock's readings on the original Live Chronicles release. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 September 2000 19:59 Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock Hello All, There seems to be NO way Michael Moorcock will be there the 21th. Mind though,I don't know this from Ade Shaw but from another source, be sure about that. But there seems to be something VERY wrong between the 2 parties involved. I don't have said Dave and Michael. I don't have said Doug Smith and Michael. The relaible source wouldn't say why. There always have to be some mystery around Hawkwind,doesn't it? Anyway if Moorcock is there I will love it the more. best wishes filip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 17:41:54 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:41:54 +0100 Subject: Tickets for Brixton from wayahead.com Message-ID: I've booked mine through them. I got Radiohead tickets from them okay but they were s l o w. They told me 4 weeks delivery. Dave -----Original Message----- From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 September 2000 16:32 Subject: Tickets for Brixton from wayahead.com >Has anyone else ordered tickets from http://www.wayahead.com/? > >My order was placed on 17th August, but I *still* have no tickets. Their >online tracking system says "waiting on tickets to come into stock". Hmm, >how come everyone else has them then? This place seems crap basically! >Anyone else having problems? When I phoned them, the clueless drone on the >other end stated something about promoters allocating tickets to places... >but I don't get why it's taking so long. Now having visions of never >getting the damn things and the gig selling out before I make alternative >arrangements. >I'd recommend NOT using this place for any future tickets you may need! > > >cheers, > Dave > From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 6 18:31:59 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:31:59 +0100 Subject: Bedouin/AoS gig dates Message-ID: Hi, Latest changes are that the Derby venue has cancelled the gig on Nov 7th, Crewe on the 9th is changed to a Bedouin gig (the venue owner prefers it to AoS), and Colchester now on the 17th. Sept 16th The Gate, Mastin Moor, Nr Chesterfield. Tickets ?4 advance, ?6 on door. Food and free overnight camping available. 28th Running Horse, 16, Alfreton Road, Nottingham.0115 9787398. Bedouin 30th now Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge. 01384 390918. All day 12:00pm to 12:00am event. Harvey Bainbridge set, Bedouin set, then a set with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson, Trev Toms. Also stalls/exhibitions Oct 6th Zaks, Milton Keynes.01908 315447. Bedouin (for Nick Lee, you'll have to wait 15 days til the next gig!) 7th Army and Navy,138, Parkway, Chelmsford.01245 354155. Bedouin 21st Brixton Academy, London. Bedouin/Hawkwind (surely you all know by now!) 28th Axe and Cleaver,16, West Street, Boston.01205 367300. AoS Nov 2nd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin 3rd The Rigger, Marsh Parade, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 616602. Bedouin 4th Uplands Tavern, 42,Uplands Cres., Swansea.01792 458242. AoS ** OFF ** 7th Victoria Inn, 12, Midland Place, Derby.01332 740091. AoS 9th The Limelight, Crewe. 01270 255519. Now Bedouin 10th The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 Bedouin 11th Esquires Club, Greyfriars Road, Bedford. 01234 217171 AoS *17th The Twist, Military Road, Colchester. 01206 562453 AoS *18th Half Moon, 93,Richmond Road, Putney.0181 7809383 Bedouin **TBC** 24th Axe and Cleaver, 16, West Street, Boston.01205 367300. Bedouin 25th Running Horse,16 Alfreton Road Nottingham.0115 9787398. AoS Dec 1st Uplands Tavern, 42,Uplands Cres., Swansea.01792 458242. Bedouin 2nd Community Centre, Rye, Sussex. 07899 676723. Bedouin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: well so far we've got more bass players than a Magma reunion concert - is someone not telling us something?? Visions of the 'Bass Army' CD come springing horribly to mind (know that one, Keith???) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: HW:NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! > On 6 Sep 00, at 17:42, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > Just had a e-mail in from Adrian Shaw and he is asked by Doug Smith to > > join in and he'll probably do it !!! I don't know if any of you know > > Ade,but he's a real nice guy and gentleman. So he's not kidding!!! > > Would love to see him play with Hawkwind again.He's a very,very good > > musician. > > You've got that right! Had the honor of seeing Ade with Bevis Frond, > and that dude is one bad bass player! > > theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 6 18:21:09 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:21:09 -0400 Subject: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! Message-ID: Andy BeeGee writes... >well so far we've got more bass players than a Magma reunion concert - is >someone not telling us something?? Lesse...Lemmy and Alan on 'Earth' bass, and Ade and Ron on 'Air' bass, is that how it'll work? :) 'Urgon' and 'Gorgo' in Kobaian I guess...dunno which one's which. And Dave Anderson will show up, record the show on the worst device he can find, and release it and/or licence it through 75 different labels under 75 different titles, 12 of them being 'Masters of the Universe'. And the others named 'Bring me the Head of the Guy who Promised Us Zvezda in 1998'. >Visions of the 'Bass Army' CD come springing horribly to mind (know that >one, Keith???) No, but to link back over to the Spinal Tap thread, there's always "Big Bottom" they could cover, with Lemmy on Lead Bass, Alan on Double Bass, and Ade on Rhythm Bass. I've heard of that Urban Sax thingy (French?) that was something like 29 different saxophonists and nothing else. And there was that famous all-tuba group I remember hearing about through 'normal' channels. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. What about the Synth Army they could have? Brock, Blake, Bainbridge, House, Swindells, Dik Mik (he coming from Spain w/ Doug?), and Davey on Wave Sequencer. From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Sep 6 21:12:54 2000 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:12:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Joe Loehr To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts >In a message dated 9/6/00 10:34:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > ><< Al, IMHO is the most > youthful of the original band, looking to be in his late 30s instead of > 50-plus. Don't know what his secret is... > >> >Maybe he's got one of them thar Dorain Gray-type portraits in his attic. > >Joe Not possible, I cornered the market on those 130, eh, I mean, 30 years ago. Richard From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Sep 7 01:26:34 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:26:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: > >Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to recall this bit > >where > >EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with fake blood and > >all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at all. I don't > >remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > > > >Anyone? > > Unknown Tongue, the last song from Cultosaurus: > > "And then she took her father's razor, and watched it cut into her palm" and > so on. It's in the FAQ That may be, but I'm pretty sure he pulled the same "cutting of the palm" during 7 Screaming Diz Busters on the FUO tour. I guess it was such a hit during the CE tour that they had to work it in to the next tour. I believe the premise was he was making a "deal with Lucifer" and needed some blood. Ya know how Lu is about signing contracts. He always insists on blood. Brad, who missed the CE tour because he was in the hospital having his large intestine ripped out From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Thu Sep 7 03:11:37 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:11:37 -0700 Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock Message-ID: yeah it was me that asked michael moorcock that question via his website question and answer section. He said that there was no way he would get involved if doug was running it. Which is a shame really as i would have loved to see michael up on stage at brixton. colm --- Nick Lee wrote: > Hmm reliable sources again... > I remenber a report, maybe a year, or so, ago when > this reunion stuff was being being mooted, of Mike > saying that he'd not get involved if Doug was > involved. Its fairly common knowledge that there's > bad feeling betwen the two, leading to the > non-appearance of Moorcock's readings on the > original Live Chronicles release. > > Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Filip Vanhuyse > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 06 September 2000 19:59 > Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock > > > Hello All, > > There seems to be NO way Michael Moorcock will > be there the 21th. > Mind though,I don't know this from Ade Shaw but > from another source, > be sure about that. > But there seems to be something VERY wrong > between the 2 parties involved. > I don't have said Dave and Michael. > I don't have said Doug Smith and Michael. > The relaible source wouldn't say why. > There always have to be some mystery around > Hawkwind,doesn't it? > > Anyway if Moorcock is there I will love it the > more. > > best wishes > filip > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 06:25:15 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:25:15 +0100 Subject: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! Message-ID: Urban Sax! Awesome - saw them do their thing at County Hall as part of the GLCs final fling. Mesmeric, freaky and frankly wonderful...the number of players was "flexible" (it depended on who was available) and they wore "spacesuits" & worked via radio links so that they could put players on top of buildings and mobile cranes...players could arrive via side streets yadiyadiyadi, a real spectacle as well as good music! ChrisW -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA MEMBER !!! I've heard of that Urban Sax thingy (French?) that was something like 29 different saxophonists and nothing else. And there was that famous all-tuba group I remember hearing about through 'normal' channels. Grakkl (FAA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 06:42:57 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:42:57 +0100 Subject: HW:No Michael Moorcock In-Reply-To: Filip Vanhuyse's message of Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:53:23 +0200 Message-ID: Filip Vanhuyse writes: > There seems to be NO way Michael Moorcock will be there the 21th. > Mind though,I don't know this from Ade Shaw but from another source, > be sure about that. > But there seems to be something VERY wrong between the 2 parties = > involved. > I don't have said Dave and Michael. > I don't have said Doug Smith and Michael. > The relaible source wouldn't say why. > There always have to be some mystery around Hawkwind,doesn't it? Moorcock has said in the past that he won't have anything to do with anything that Doug Smith is involved in because he feels that he was stiffed by him in a deal in the 80's. I know nothing of the details, but this certainly fits. > Anyway if Moorcock is there I will love it the more. I'd love that too, but there's zero probability of it I fear. > filip FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Sep 7 05:26:10 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:26:10 +0100 Subject: Bedouin/AoS gig dates Message-ID: Ooh, I dunno. I grew up in Chelmsford and my sister lives just round the corner from the Army & Navy so I might make that one too! Nick 6th Zaks, Milton Keynes.01908 315447. Bedouin (for Nick Lee, you'll have to wait 15 days til the next gig!) 7th Army and Navy,138, Parkway, Chelmsford.01245 354155. Bedouin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Sep 7 07:06:34 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:06:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Line-up Message-ID: The advert for the Brixton gig in this week's NME has the following tag-line: "The line-up's from '69 thru' the ages of time" I think that clears everything up quite nicely, roll-on Oct 21. Nick From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Thu Sep 7 08:12:06 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:12:06 +0100 Subject: OFF:Zeitgeist Update Message-ID: Aaak! See what happens you when you change hosts? Bastards. they take your money and leave you stranded. Andy Garibaldi wrote; > I've completely overhauled the links pages at > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html > > If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted soonest. > Couldn't get that to work, dude, but eventually I got to http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/zeitgeist/zeitdex.html -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From craigwhite at MAC.COM Thu Sep 7 09:44:32 2000 From: craigwhite at MAC.COM (Craig White) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:44:32 +1100 Subject: HW: i was just =?iso-8859-1?Q?wondering=8A?= Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2089 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craigwhite at MAC.COM Thu Sep 7 09:48:07 2000 From: craigwhite at MAC.COM (Craig White) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:48:07 +1100 Subject: HW: calling all completist collectors Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 999 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Sep 7 10:23:14 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:23:14 -0400 Subject: timekiller Message-ID: 1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue Oyster Cult" in the sleeve notes? 2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days of May"? 3. What Instrument(s) did Mike Moorcock play on "Lucky Leif and the Longships"? 4. Who is the patron saint of music? 5. Who are the "Bulldaggers"? What is their connection to Hawkwind? 6. According to Meltzer, what occurence brought about his going to see B?C for the first time in a long, long time recently? 7. How many times does the letter "C" appear in "Collector"? 8. Which of the following would most likely draw the ire of Eric at a show where B?C are performing: a - Repeatedly shouting for "Imaginos!" b - Firing bottle rockets at the stage c - Selling bootleg hawkwind t-shirts d - wearing a Red Sox baseball cap, Miami Heat jersey, and a Washington redskins jacket. e - Wearing the BOC-L nethawks t-shirt. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Sep 7 10:40:01 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:40:01 -0700 Subject: timekiller Message-ID: > 1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue > Oyster Cult" > in the sleeve notes? No clue > > 2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on > "Last Days of May"? I should know this but I don't. > 3. What Instrument(s) did Mike Moorcock play on "Lucky Leif > and the Longships"? Come again? > 4. Who is the patron saint of music? Trey Anastasio > 5. Who are the "Bulldaggers"? What is their connection to Hawkwind? Hmmmm... > 6. According to Meltzer, what occurence brought about his > going to see B?C > for the first time in a long, long time recently? He won a ticket on a radio station? > 7. How many times does the letter "C" appear in "Collector"? Just one if being case specific, 2 if not. > 8. Which of the following would most likely draw the ire of > Eric at a show > where B?C are performing: > > a - Repeatedly shouting for "Imaginos!" > > b - Firing bottle rockets at the stage > > c - Selling bootleg hawkwind t-shirts > > d - wearing a Red Sox baseball cap, Miami Heat jersey, and > a Washington redskins jacket. > > e - Wearing the BOC-L nethawks t-shirt. f - Ask him if he knows Mike Moorcock All of the above... JB From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 10:39:07 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:39:07 +0100 Subject: HW: i was just =?iso-8859-1?Q?wondering=8A?= In-Reply-To: Craig White's message of Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:44:32 +1100 Message-ID: Craig White writes: > 1. i assume that everybody's copy of the Undisclosed Files Addendum has > the sound of a man urinating dubbed over part of the last track "Angels > of Death" - does anybody know why? Why do you assume it's a man that's urinating? It'll be related to that Micturation of Magnu track. > 2. i have seen the live versions of "Assault and Battery" and "Sleep of > a Thousand Tears" that are featured on the flicknife cd "Chronicle of > the Black Sword" referred to as an encore, yet they are included in the > middle of the set on the griffin double cd "Live Chronicles" - is it > correct that these tracks were actually part of the Chronicles show > encore? (...somehow this seems more appropriate to me, though that may > well be the result of having known the abridged version first) They were from Hammersmith Odeon on 3/12/85 and as far as I know, they weren't the encore. > 3. i have encountered references to an original version of "The Making > of Midgard" from Robert Calvert's Lucky Leif and the Longships - is > this original version the straight piece of poetry without all the > excessive delay (repeats/echo)... i find the cd version almost > unlistenable and it would not surprise me at all if it were not the way > it was intended to be - if this is indeed the case, does anybody know > why the second version was substituted for the cd release? Dunno why it was changed on the CD, but the Lp version doesn't have all the nonsense. FoFP From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Sep 7 10:50:34 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:50:34 -0700 Subject: Moorcock Answered my question... Message-ID: Thought some of you might find this of interest. Not quite sure what he means by, "Otherwise" but there you go.. -=-snip-=- Question - This question was asked by JB on 2000-08-29 15:57:46. Mr. Moorcock, I am a BOC fan as well as a fan of your writing and have wondered for years the answer to this question. You co-wrote the BOC song "The Great Sun Jester" with Eric Bloom (at least, thats the way its credited on the album). In at least one of the Fire Clown stories, his name is given as Emmanual Bloom or, E. Bloom... (Bloome?). Is this coinicidence? Did the Fire Clown stories pre-date your association with Blue Oyster Cult? I once had the occasion to meet Mr. Bloom (the singer, not the Fire Clown heh) and asked him this same question. He was unwilling or unable to answer me. Another coincidence (if it is one) is that I am told by various sources that Mr. Bloom was sometimes nick named "Manny". I will look forward to your answer. This has been nagging at me for 15 years or more. JB Answer - Mr. Moorcock answered this question on 2000-09-06 22:49:53 ...Otherwise it was coincidental -- as are certain JC names! -=-snip-=- ref. http://www.multiverse.org/sport/qa.jsp JB From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Sep 7 11:04:19 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:04:19 -0400 Subject: timekiller In-Reply-To: <200009071423.KAA10153@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 10:23 9.7.00 -0400, you wrote: >1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue Oyster Cult" > in the sleeve notes? Barry. (yes that joke is bad.) >2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days of May"? The Bouchards.. but wait they're not female. They also did the "0oooooh eyes" in Harvester o' Eyes >3. What Instrument(s) did Mike Moorcock play on "Lucky Leif and the Longships"? banjo? >4. Who is the patron saint of music? St. Cecilia. the guitar solo was meant to be redone afterwards but the sessions were cancelled. >5. Who are the "Bulldaggers"? What is their connection to Hawkwind? cousins of the Transmanicon MC? >6. According to Meltzer, what occurence brought about his going to see B?C > for the first time in a long, long time recently? I should know this since its on my webpage heh. Wasn't it that they were in town? (for the answer go to http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/ungodlyvision/rants/article7.htm and click on "FRONT OF THE BOOK") >7. How many times does the letter "C" appear in "Collector"? none, it should be spelled Kollector >8. Which of the following would most likely draw the ire of Eric at a show > where B?C are performing: > > a - Repeatedly shouting for "Imaginos!" > b - Firing bottle rockets at the stage > c - Selling bootleg hawkwind t-shirts > d - wearing a Red Sox baseball cap, Miami Heat jersey, and > a Washington redskins jacket. > > e - Wearing the BOC-L nethawks t-shirt. I also think shouting "PLAY LET GO!! (or beat em up)" would do it too. so would cornering him into an autograph and asking where's Al and Joe? And to refer to Meltzer again, could also call him Manny (referring to Richard's review of OYFoOYK). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And philosophy is wont, in fact, not infrequently, to convert itself into a kind of art of spiritual pimping.And sometimes into an opiate for lulling sorrows to sleep." - Unamuno, _Tragic Sense of Life_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Sep 7 10:52:31 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:52:31 -0400 Subject: timekiller Message-ID: > 1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue Oyster Cult" > in the sleeve notes? [Hall, Russell J] Are sleeve notes like crib notes? If you can't remember how to play a song, you have the music written on your shirt? > 2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days of > May"? [Hall, Russell J] Dane Edna > 3. What Instrument(s) did Mike Moorcock play on "Lucky Leif and the > Longships"? [Hall, Russell J] The Geiger Counter > 4. Who is the patron saint of music? [Hall, Russell J] St. Celia > 5. Who are the "Bulldaggers"? What is their connection to Hawkwind? [Hall, Russell J] They both showed up at a Blue Oyster Cult concert and shot bottle rockets at the stage. > 6. According to Meltzer, what occurence brought about his going to see > B?C > for the first time in a long, long time recently? [Hall, Russell J] He felt the need to critique someones ass. (And he had a few extra bottle rockets). > 7. How many times does the letter "C" appear in "Collector"? [Hall, Russell J] This many. > 8. Which of the following would most likely draw the ire of Eric at a > show > where B?C are performing: > > a - Repeatedly shouting for "Imaginos!" > > b - Firing bottle rockets at the stage > > c - Selling bootleg hawkwind t-shirts > > d - wearing a Red Sox baseball cap, Miami Heat jersey, and > a Washington redskins jacket. > > e - Wearing the BOC-L nethawks t-shirt. [Hall, Russell J] Stealing his 'new' symbol guitar and then saying that he smells like a magnet. > "Left behind by the latest trends... > eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... > - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon > =============== > Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Sep 7 11:00:13 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:00:13 -0700 Subject: Moorcock Answered my question... Message-ID: A follow up from M. Moorcock: -=-snip-=- Question - This question was asked by JB on 2000-08-30 11:00:56. In regards to the question I asked yesterday, (about the Fireclown, Eric Bloom coincidence) I got off my lazy butt and looked that the copy rights on the novels and saw that they are in 1965, obviously well before you met Mr. Bloom. However, I would still love to read your comments on this somewhat large coincidence. Thanks! JB Answer - Mr. Moorcock answered this question on 2000-09-06 22:48:43 Eric contacted me in, I think, the early 70s to ask for lyrics. I obliged. It's as simple as that. I was already doing regular lyrics for Hawkwind and my own band Deep Fix and essentially I sent Eric material that didn't really fit with what we were playing. I was delighted by all his versions. Pink Floyd's Set The Controls For The Heart of the Sun is apparently based on The Fireclown! Mr Bloom is Mr Bloom's other brother. All best, MM -=-snip-=- JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Brooks [mailto:Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET] > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:51 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Moorcock Answered my question... > > > Thought some of you might find this of interest. > > Not quite sure what he means by, "Otherwise" but there you go.. > > -=-snip-=- > > Question - This question was asked by JB on 2000-08-29 15:57:46. > > Mr. Moorcock, I am a BOC fan as well as a fan of your writing and have > wondered for years the answer to this question. You co-wrote > the BOC song > "The Great Sun Jester" with Eric Bloom (at least, thats the > way its credited > on the album). In at least one of the Fire Clown stories, his > name is given > as Emmanual Bloom or, E. Bloom... (Bloome?). Is this > coinicidence? Did the > Fire Clown stories pre-date your association with Blue Oyster > Cult? I once > had the occasion to meet Mr. Bloom (the singer, not the Fire > Clown heh) and > asked him this same question. He was unwilling or unable to answer me. > Another coincidence (if it is one) is that I am told by > various sources that > Mr. Bloom was sometimes nick named "Manny". I will look > forward to your > answer. This has been nagging at me for 15 years or more. JB > > > Answer - Mr. Moorcock answered this question on 2000-09-06 22:49:53 > ...Otherwise it was coincidental -- as are certain JC names! > > -=-snip-=- > > ref. http://www.multiverse.org/sport/qa.jsp > > JB > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Sep 7 11:13:40 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:13:40 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_HW:_i_was_just_wondering=8A?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Craig Welcome to the LIST >2. i have seen the live versions of "Assault and Battery" and >"Sleep of a Thousand Tears" that are featured on the flicknife cd >"Chronicle of the Black Sword" referred to as an encore, yet they >are included in the middle of the set on the griffin double cd >"Live Chronicles" - is it correct that these tracks were actually >part of the Chronicles show encore? (...somehow this seems more >appropriate to me, though that may well be the result of having >known the abridged version first) Here is an answer to your 2nd question This is a typical setlist for a LIVE CHRONICLES gig in Winter 85 intro / song of the swords / dragons and fables / sea king / angels of death / shade gate / rocky paths / lyrics / pulsing cavern / master of the universe / lyrics / dreaming city / choose your masks / assault & battery / sleep of a 1000 tears / lyrics / zarozinia / demise / brainstorm / moonglum / elric the enchanter / needle gun / magnu / dust of time / chaos army / horn of destiny / coded languages / born to go / arrival in utopia / levitation Now you see that "assault & battery" "sleep of a 1000 tears" are not from the encore but from the middle of the show! cheers Bernhard From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 7 11:21:37 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:21:37 -0500 Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton Message-ID: Hey folks, I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ...and what are the current plans for everyone meeting first? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 7 11:21:50 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:21:50 EDT Subject: timekiller In-Reply-To: <200009071423.KAA10153@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On 7 Sep 00, at 10:23, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > 2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days > of May"? I think it's Albert! > 5. Who are the "Bulldaggers"? Hmm...I know that Bull Daggers are ultra butch lesbians, who go to extremes to disguise their female nature... > 6. According to Meltzer, what occurence brought about his going to > see B?C > for the first time in a long, long time recently? He just happened to be in the neighborhood? theo From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 7 12:06:20 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:06:20 EDT Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20HW:=20i=20was=20just=20wondering=C5=A0?= Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/00 9:40:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Craig White writes: > 1. i assume that everybody's copy of the Undisclosed Files Addendum has > the sound of a man urinating dubbed over part of the last track "Angels > of Death" - does anybody know why? Why do you assume it's a man that's urinating? >> I just pulled out my copy of UFA to check. Yes, it's on my copy too. I would assume it's a man, because there's the sound of the 'liquid' coming out, followed immediately by the zip of the zipper, with no sound of trousers being pulled up.(If not, she's got good aim) As to why . . . do Dave and Co. like the track? Maybe they're saying, "piss on it!" Joe Loehr From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 7 11:04:09 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:04:09 -0400 Subject: HW: i was just wondering Message-ID: FoFP writes: >> 3. i have encountered references to an original version of "The Making >> of Midgard" from Robert Calvert's Lucky Leif and the Longships - is >> this original version the straight piece of poetry without all the >> excessive delay (repeats/echo)... i find the cd version almost >> unlistenable and it would not surprise me at all if it were not the way >> it was intended to be - if this is indeed the case, does anybody know >> why the second version was substituted for the cd release? > >Dunno why it was changed on the CD, but the Lp version doesn't have all >the nonsense. I seem to remember that the CD also has a different edit of the 'Phase Locked Loop' bit also. I think the CD has extra stuff, or at least some different stuff innit. Does the newly-issued (?) Revenge CD have anything different on it that wasn't already included on that Scandinavian Lone Wolf boot that got around recently? How does the sound compare? Grakkl (FAA) From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 7 12:10:31 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:10:31 EDT Subject: timekiller Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/00 9:26:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << 1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue Oyster Cult" in the sleeve notes? >> Howzabout the 'Psychedelic Warlords (The Best Of) CD. There's a pic of Dave wearing a BOC shirt. Joe Loehr From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 7 13:27:43 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:27:43 GMT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: > That may be, but I'm pretty sure he pulled the same "cutting of the palm" >during 7 Screaming Diz Busters on the FUO tour. I guess it was such a hit >during the CE tour that they had to work it in to the next tour. I believe >the premise was he was making a "deal with Lucifer" and needed some blood. >Ya know how Lu is about signing contracts. He always insists on blood. > >Brad, who missed the CE tour because he was in the hospital having his >large >intestine ripped out Yes, I seem to remember it from the FAQ as well (section "BOC in concert"), I guess it was a modification of the section recorded on OYFOOYK as "I'm talkin' 'bout the hellfire down below... that's a Lucifer light" etc. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Sep 7 13:39:06 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: timekiller Message-ID: At 12:10 PM 9/7/2000 EDT, Joe Loehr wrote: >In a message dated 9/7/00 9:26:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >mordru at FLITE.NET writes: > ><< 1. Name a Hawkwind disc where you can find the words "Blue Oyster Cult" > in the sleeve notes? >> >Howzabout the 'Psychedelic Warlords (The Best Of) CD. There's a pic of Dave >wearing a BOC shirt. Bingo! That's the one I had in mind. I wasn't sure if there might be another, though, so I phrased it kind of open-ended in case there might be. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 14:15:09 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:15:09 +0100 Subject: Moorcock Answered my question... Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Brooks To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: Moorcock Answered my question... > Mr. Moorcock, I am a BOC fan as well as a fan of your writing and have > wondered for years the answer to this question. You co-wrote the BOC song > "The Great Sun Jester" with Eric Bloom (at least, thats the way its credited > on the album). In at least one of the Fire Clown stories, his name is given > as Emmanual Bloom or, E. Bloom... (Bloome?). Is this coinicidence? Did the It's only a suspicion but given that Moorcock is a highly literate and literary man I suspect you may have to go to James Joyce's "Ulysses" to find the other Mr. Bloom. jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Sep 7 16:04:52 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:04:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: HOB track Message-ID: Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but you can DL a performance of DFTR from the house of blues performance earlier this year at this site: http://www.hob.com/dd/search_results.asp?genre=alt/rock/pop "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 7 16:27:03 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:27:03 +0100 Subject: OFF:Zeitgeist Update Message-ID: .....sorry!!!! I never wrote that - you've been partaking of the evil weed again, haven't you!!! The Real Andy Garibaldi ------------------------------------ > Andy Garibaldi wrote; > > I've completely overhauled the links pages at > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html > > > > If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted > soonest. > > > > Couldn't get that to work, dude, but eventually I got to > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/zeitgeist/zeitdex.html > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music > Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction > Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist > US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 7 19:29:42 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:29:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Brixton accomodations? Message-ID: Anyone interested in splitting a hotel/bed+breakfast? I'll be in 10/19-10/24. Arin (anyone know of a decent b&b in london? I've taken a look at www.londonbb.com, but they are pricier for one than for multiples.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 20:58:05 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:58:05 +0100 Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the following responses based on two questions: 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 rooms 35 Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 rooms 137 Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 rooms 150 Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 rooms 87 Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 rooms 10 Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 rooms 30 London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about it. I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room numbers) and might be worth investigating further. Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? cheers jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri Sep 8 00:42:14 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:42:14 -0400 Subject: Setlist 9/700 Message-ID: Mario Lanza Park, Philadelphia: Monkey & The Engineer (traditional) The Wizard (Uriah Heep) Sons of Finwe (Burro) Don't Fear The Reaper (Blue Oyster Cult) Hurry On Sundown (Hawkwind) Orgone Energy ( Burro) Baby Boomerang (Marc Bolan) Ride A White Swan (Bolan) London River (Ron Shierman) The Last Time (Jagger/Richards) I Know You Rider ( traditional) Motherless Children (traditional) Ballad Of Mott (Mott The Hoople ) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Sep 8 02:25:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:55:12 +0930 Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton Message-ID: I phoned the ebenezer and I couldn't make any sense out of the guy who answered. Except that there were not any rooms? They sereve a lovely vindaloo thou.... 8>))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:28 AM Subject: Re: HW: places to stay near brixton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arin Komins > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM > Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton > > > > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. > > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... > > I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that > are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the > following responses based on two questions: > > 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably > add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) > 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? > > New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 > rooms 35 > Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 > rooms 137 > Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 > rooms 150 > Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 > rooms 87 > Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 > rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even > sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) > Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply > Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 > rooms 10 > Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he > could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) > rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place > that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! > London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 > rooms 30 > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply > > The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 > Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. > I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow > Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" > may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case > here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about > it. > > I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like > probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room > numbers) and might be worth investigating further. > Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing > to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? > > cheers > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Sep 8 02:27:49 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:57:49 +0930 Subject: OFF:Zeitgeist Update Message-ID: Evil??? 8>0 ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: Re: OFF:Zeitgeist Update > .....sorry!!!! I never wrote that - you've been partaking of the evil weed > again, haven't you!!! > The Real Andy Garibaldi > > ------------------------------------ > > Andy Garibaldi wrote; > > > I've completely overhauled the links pages at > > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html > > > > > > If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted > > soonest. > > > > > > > Couldn't get that to work, dude, but eventually I got to > > > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/zeitgeist/zeitdex.html > > > > -- Andy > > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > > http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > > > http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music > > Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground > and Elastic Fiction > > Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist > > US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ > > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Sep 8 04:08:46 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:08:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tonight (Friday) in London. Message-ID: Anyone London based who isn't doing anything else tonight, I can heartily recommend a trip to the Tufnell Park Tavern, Tufnell Park, to see The Dilemma, The Adventures of Parsley, and Tea. More info available at www.thedilemmas.com (a very sexy website, as I'm sure you'll agree...) :-) Maybe see you there. I'll be the one in the BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY t-shirt. :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 04:52:27 2000 From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:52:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton travel Message-ID: dear all, anyone going from Sheffield ? as we are getting a supersaver train ticket for 4 people (there are only two of us but its the same price !!) We are going down on Saturday 12.30 and back Sunday 9.30 a.m. two other people are quite welcome to travel for gratis but I believe we all have to travel together. Merrick French From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Fri Sep 8 05:29:58 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:58 +0100 Subject: OFF:Zeitgeist Update Message-ID: Weed? No. However I refuse to confirm or deny any allegations about anything of any description ever without legal representation. Yours at the temaziparty, Stuart NP Allman Brothers Band live at the Fillmore East on closing night (June 26 1971) ....sorry!!!! I never wrote that - you've been partaking of the evil weed again, haven't you!!! The Real Andy Garibaldi ------------------------------------ > Andy Garibaldi wrote; > > I've completely overhauled the links pages at > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk/zeitdex.html > > > > If there's any missing, let me know and I'll get them sorted > soonest. > > > > Couldn't get that to work, dude, but eventually I got to > > http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/zeitgeist/zeitdex.html > > -- Andy http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Sep 8 10:41:01 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:41:01 -0700 Subject: Setlist 9/700 Message-ID: Interesting setlist with quite a mixed bag. Do I sense a slight Dead influence there? (Grateful Dead also covered 3 of the songs listed..) JB > -----Original Message----- > From: SLOTERDIJK [mailto:SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET] > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:42 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Setlist 9/700 > > > Mario Lanza Park, Philadelphia: > > Monkey & The Engineer (traditional) > The Wizard (Uriah Heep) > Sons of Finwe (Burro) > Don't Fear The Reaper (Blue Oyster Cult) > Hurry On Sundown (Hawkwind) > Orgone Energy ( Burro) > Baby Boomerang (Marc Bolan) > Ride A White Swan (Bolan) > London River (Ron Shierman) > The Last Time (Jagger/Richards) > I Know You Rider ( traditional) > Motherless Children (traditional) > Ballad Of Mott (Mott The Hoople ) > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 8 14:26:11 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:26:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: Straight from Tim... PRESS RELEASE After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album will finally be released on September 25 2000, by BLUEPRINT, (uk) To find out more about Tim Blake, goto: Tim will almost certainly be appearing in the "Hawkestra" Spectacular At the Academy on 21/10/2000 -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Sep 8 16:17:20 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:17:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: Joseph Brooks wrote: > > Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to recall this bit where > EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with fake blood and > all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at all. I don't > remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > > We did that for awhile in Unknown Tongue. Eric got a couple rubber knives in a joke shop and would load 'em up with fake blood and during that part of the song he'd just squeeze the handle. We only did it in UT, never in 7SDB. Al From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 8 17:02:18 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:02:18 -0700 Subject: OTHER: Twink in action, LA Message-ID: I recently received the following message from drummer Bob Lee: >Backbiter's recent Al's Bar show - including a cameo by former Pink Fairy & >Pretty Thing, TWINK, singing his classic "Do It" as the very last song, has >been web-archived here: > >http://www.liveclubs.net/liveclubsnet__replay_page.htm I haven't actually viewed the version of "Do It", since the Backbiter set is broken into only two parts with no means of fast-forwarding, and the video quality is about what you'd expect for a modem connection. For those of you not in the know, Bob Lee is a killer drummer who's played with a pretty wide range of LA underground musicians: Clawhammer, Fearless Leader, Slotnick (appearing on the 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind tribute), Mike Watt (both on his first solo album, which, of course, also included contribution [at least on the contemporary single] from another drummer who sometimes posts to boc-l, and on Watt's two most recent national tours), the Amadans, Blundertoungue, and many others ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Sep 8 17:24:19 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:24:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: Great gag.. To a young man 20 or 30 rows back and under the influence of uh, certain substances, it was quite effective. It sure is great getting things like this straightened out right from the horses mouth (so to speak). Way better than reading that dusty ol' FAQ! Personally, cliche` though it may sound, for me the 70's are pretty much of a blur. Now I can say, "neener, neener" to my wife with confidence! hehe JB > Joseph Brooks wrote: > > > > > Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to > recall this bit where > > EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete > with fake blood and > > all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at > all. I don't > > remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > > > > > > We did that for awhile in Unknown Tongue. Eric got a couple > rubber knives in a > joke shop and would load 'em up with fake blood and during > that part of the > song he'd just squeeze the handle. We only did it in UT, > never in 7SDB. > Al > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Sep 8 18:51:44 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:51:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts In-Reply-To: <4973895A322CD411A6B000A0C96E9611207393@C2> Message-ID: At 14:24 9.8.00 -0700, you wrote: >Great gag.. To a young man 20 or 30 rows back and under the influence of uh, >certain substances, it was quite effective. > >It sure is great getting things like this straightened out right from the >horses mouth (so to speak). Way better than reading that dusty ol' FAQ! >Personally, cliche` though it may sound, for me the 70's are pretty much of >a blur. Now I can say, "neener, neener" to my wife with confidence! hehe Although I'm sure JB didnt meant the FAq line maliciously, I gotsta say that the FAQ is hands down THE best internet resource on anying BOC related. Sure its long but its full o' quality and hard work. A lot of what brought it about was trawling from BOCl'ers as well as contributions from former BOC members, Bolle Gregmar and, oh yeah, John :). I think its indispensable and wish that 3OC's official website had a millionth of what the FAQ contains. (which btw, the official site has the lyrics on it now, so save your $$ on the lyric book) Wishing he had a record player to play the MC5 _American Ruse_ LP and soothing his ears with the PoWorkdisc, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Sep 8 19:06:08 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:06:08 -0700 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: Oh by all means, its a great FAQ. I wasn't slamming it at all but rather my poor memory (I've read through it several times) and laziness in regards to looking up some of my questions in it. Hey, I even contributed a very minor piece of it :) JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [mailto:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:52 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts > > > At 14:24 9.8.00 -0700, you wrote: > >Great gag.. To a young man 20 or 30 rows back and under the > influence of uh, > >certain substances, it was quite effective. > > > >It sure is great getting things like this straightened out > right from the > >horses mouth (so to speak). Way better than reading that > dusty ol' FAQ! > >Personally, cliche` though it may sound, for me the 70's are > pretty much of > >a blur. Now I can say, "neener, neener" to my wife with > confidence! hehe > > Although I'm sure JB didnt meant the FAq line maliciously, I > gotsta say > that the FAQ is hands down THE best internet resource on anying BOC > related. Sure its long but its full o' quality and hard > work. A lot of > what brought it about was trawling from BOCl'ers as well as > contributions > from former BOC members, Bolle Gregmar and, oh yeah, John :). > I think its > indispensable and wish that 3OC's official website had a > millionth of what > the FAQ contains. (which btw, the official site has the > lyrics on it now, > so save your $$ on the lyric book) > > Wishing he had a record player to play the MC5 _American Ruse_ LP and > soothing his ears with the PoWorkdisc, > Jason > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE > YOUR ASS to > hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, > see THEM. I > don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Sep 9 03:31:26 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:31:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: I'm a big Hawkwind and BOC fan who's just joined the list, so could someone tell me where the FAQ resides? I was pointed to the listserv address by a correspondent (thanks Steven!) Mark > Although I'm sure JB didnt meant the FAq line maliciously, I gotsta say > that the FAQ is hands down THE best internet resource on anying BOC > related. Sure its long but its full o' quality and hard work. A lot of > what brought it about was trawling from BOCl'ers as well as contributions > from former BOC members, Bolle Gregmar and, oh yeah, John :). I think its > indispensable and wish that 3OC's official website had a millionth of what > the FAQ contains. (which btw, the official site has the lyrics on it now, > so save your $$ on the lyric book) From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Sep 9 08:13:12 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:13:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Blanga? Message-ID: Hi, I've read the term "blanga" written by people when talking about HW, on several occasions on the list. I'm not a great one for labels, but I'd love to know what the "blanga" sound is. Can anyone please describe it for me? If it defies description, then how about list a few ultra "blanga" HW songs? Then when the word is next used, I'll no longer picture a pink wobbly jelly-like blob in my mind's eye! Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 9 12:27:30 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:27:30 GMT Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: >I'm a big Hawkwind and BOC fan who's just joined the list, so could someone >tell me where the FAQ resides? I was pointed to the listserv address by a >correspondent (thanks Steven!) > >Mark try: members.aol.com/bocfaqman Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat Sep 9 13:27:31 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:27:31 -0400 Subject: Integration CD: questions answered Message-ID: Hello everyone, People have been e-mailing me with requests for the Integration CD, with regard to sales and availibility etc. It has really been cool responding to the interest, but now I must report the following: Due to a decent amount of domestic sales at shows and mailorders, the CD is now totally sold out here in the U.S. Periodically I receive a new shipment from germany, but it becomes costly for the label, so consequently the CD is temporarily available only via direct order from Lollipop Shop Records, Berlin.. The URL for Lollipop Shop is: www.lollipop.shop.de Once there you can see their entire catalog, read ordering instructions, news letter etc. This is also the place to locate hard to find releases by Korai Orom, Ole Lukkoye, Atman etc.. Thanks and Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat Sep 9 13:32:00 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: [ARTIMUS-SLOTERDIJK-Pod] Integration CD: questions answered In-Reply-To: Sloterdijk@webtv.net's message of Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Correction: Lollipop Shop Records URL is: www.lollipopshop.de http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 9 13:32:04 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:32:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: ...........make that 'will be playing'. The other Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gilham" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: HW: Tim Blake > Straight from Tim... > > PRESS RELEASE > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > To find out more about Tim Blake, goto: > > > Tim will almost certainly be appearing in the > "Hawkestra" Spectacular > At the Academy on 21/10/2000 > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 9 17:34:20 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:34:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: Couldn't tell you anything about Ron - no-one's mentioned him yet. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations Andrew - an excellent summing up of this gig's potential. Is Ron totally out of the loop with HW now? ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations well friggin' said - at last the voice of common sense. But - hey - let's have a bit of fun - it's 10 hours but you won't have 10 hours of playing time. So far we know that present and correct will be Dave, Harvey, Alan, Lemmy, Swindells (was it), Richard & Jerry, Huw, Mr House....has anyone got actual confirmation of the Turner mob being there?........so that presumably means a Harvey set (30 mins or so), a Bedouin set (40-45 mins perhaps), possibly a Langton spot (25 mins). Of course if the Turner band turn up and play, that's say, another 40-60 mins, but would Dave join in? Or who else will be there?. Don't suppose anything involving the Americans is on the cards so don' expect a Spiral Realms set....unless of course someone' s played the ace in the hole and managed to get Del across from Canada - after all they know where he lives. Getting intersting, huh? So, about 2 and a half hours there. Let's get to Hawkwind. They could do a Magma style reunion and do 6 hours across 4 line-ups (I was there and Vander did all 6 hours - now that was something else) or they could do a giant Space Ritual type set with people wandering in and out according to tracks and interest, loose, but could lead to some interesting line-ups along the way, Or it could be just one gigantic set with all of them on stage at once for a couple of hours. Either way, and with more possibilities than I've considered, the fact is that it's going to be unexpected and fun - no one will get exactly what they want out of this - that's impossible - but we should all get a thrill somewhere down the line if not for all of it. No matter how you set your mind you are going to be disappoinred with something and elated with something else. So, providing whoever is putting all this together is doing it WITH THE FANS IN MIND, it will be good. The moment someone tries too hard to do something that the audience is not going to be 'au fait' with, will be when the cracks appear round the edges.I don't think that will happen - let's hope the confidence is not misplaced. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a good time. The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. However, the thought of missing what could be a true classic is even more painful, so not doubt, the deed will be done! Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 9 18:42:17 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:42:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: check this out - ME 262 website! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Johnny Firich wrote: > quote: > > "The Junkers Jumo 004 is often remembered as a temperamental and > failure-prone powerplant" > > there's lots of technical stuff and one or two good photos at: > > www.stormbirds.com > > from what I gathered, it's an attempt to rebuild a couple of ME262's, for > fun or something, I don't know. interesting, anyway. no mention of BOC > though... There's a company in Texas was building seven of them on contracts for museums - to flying standard :-) I guess if I had seventy thousand dollars or however much they were charging (I'm probably out by an order of magnitude) I cpuld think of a colour scheme for mine quite easily... I'd have to wait for them to get the Fw.190s they were moving onto after that out the way first, though. In fact, disloyal though it may be, I think I'd rather have the Fw.190... Which is why I flagged this OFF :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat Sep 9 18:51:55 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:51:55 -0400 Subject: URL correction & additional information for 9/29-10/1 shows In-Reply-To: SLOTERDIJK@webtv.net (SLOTERDIJK)'s message of Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Hi I apologize for the recent blitz , but it's not right to disseminate improper info if one catches their own error, so here goes: Regarding Sloterdijk's appearance at the Bike day weekend sponsored by the Freedomriders MC, September 29th-October 1: The correct URL for the Freedomriders MC website is: www.freedomriders.com ADDITIONAL INFO REGARDING THIS SHOW: As well as playing our electric set on saturday between 4-6PM, we will be performing an acoustic set sometime friday night ( time will be determined later). The lineups will be the following Friday night: Acoustic set Mike Burro: acoustic guitar and vocals Jay Adcock: Djembe and assorted percussion Robert McConnel: acoustic bass guitar Saturday 4-6PM Electric set Mike Burro, guitar, synths, programming and vocals Jay Adcock: guitar, synths Rob Eckstedt: Bass Robert McConnel: guitar P.S. Also anyone who might be attending the Blue Oyster Cult show in Frazer PA at "Maddies" on September 17th, feel free to drop me a line, as I will be there too... Peace, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) See control center URL below for more details.. http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 9 19:16:10 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:16:10 +0100 Subject: timekiller In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000907110419.00695170@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > >2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days of May"? > The Bouchards.. but wait they're not female. > They also did the "0oooooh eyes" in Harvester o' Eyes If I remember the post to which Andrew's referring correctly, the answer came from the man behind Cellsum Records and reads,"Those females were Joe and me... " Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Sep 9 22:29:36 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:29:36 -0500 Subject: Other: Sub Arachnoid Space Message-ID: Tour cancelled. Due to serious financial problems caused by an employer that quit paying it's employees. Skye Klad may keep the Minneapolis date. Details should be available on the Skye Klad site. sorry folks From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Sep 9 22:23:30 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:23:30 -0400 Subject: Other: Sub Arachnoid Space Message-ID: Dan says... >Tour cancelled. Due to serious financial problems caused by an employer >that quit paying it's employees. > >Skye Klad may keep the Minneapolis date. Details should be available on >the Skye Klad site. The big question...is Circle still coming from Finland? Too bad about SAS regardless. :( Grakkl (FAA) From mordru at FLITE.NET Sun Sep 10 00:09:31 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:09:31 -0400 Subject: timekiller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:16 AM 9/10/00 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > >> >2. Who provides the haunting female background vocals on "Last Days of May"? >> The Bouchards.. but wait they're not female. >> They also did the "0oooooh eyes" in Harvester o' Eyes > > If I remember the post to which Andrew's referring correctly, the >answer came from the man behind Cellsum Records and reads,"Those females >were Joe and me... " Yours, Yup. For the bonus points, name the former BOC-L'er whose post (something like "love the haunting female background vocals") set the stage for this response... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Sep 10 01:45:42 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 06:45:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Message-ID: Actually DB mentions him in Classic Rock this month and seems to suggest he's still on board. Ron gets described as a "young Calvert" - *that's* a bit strong (IMHO) Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations Couldn't tell you anything about Ron - no-one's mentioned him yet. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Abrahams To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations Andrew - an excellent summing up of this gig's potential. Is Ron totally out of the loop with HW now? ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations well friggin' said - at last the voice of common sense. But - hey - let's have a bit of fun - it's 10 hours but you won't have 10 hours of playing time. So far we know that present and correct will be Dave, Harvey, Alan, Lemmy, Swindells (was it), Richard & Jerry, Huw, Mr House....has anyone got actual confirmation of the Turner mob being there?........so that presumably means a Harvey set (30 mins or so), a Bedouin set (40-45 mins perhaps), possibly a Langton spot (25 mins). Of course if the Turner band turn up and play, that's say, another 40-60 mins, but would Dave join in? Or who else will be there?. Don't suppose anything involving the Americans is on the cards so don' expect a Spiral Realms set....unless of course someone' s played the ace in the hole and managed to get Del across from Canada - after all they know where he lives. Getting intersting, huh? So, about 2 and a half hours there. Let's get to Hawkwind. They could do a Magma style reunion and do 6 hours across 4 line-ups (I was there and Vander did all 6 hours - now that was something else) or they could do a giant Space Ritual type set with people wandering in and out according to tracks and interest, loose, but could lead to some interesting line-ups along the way, Or it could be just one gigantic set with all of them on stage at once for a couple of hours. Either way, and with more possibilities than I've considered, the fact is that it's going to be unexpected and fun - no one will get exactly what they want out of this - that's impossible - but we should all get a thrill somewhere down the line if not for all of it. No matter how you set your mind you are going to be disappoinred with something and elated with something else. So, providing whoever is putting all this together is doing it WITH THE FANS IN MIND, it will be good. The moment someone tries too hard to do something that the audience is not going to be 'au fait' with, will be when the cracks appear round the edges.I don't think that will happen - let's hope the confidence is not misplaced. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: Brixton expectations And also, we shouldn't start getting visions of grandeur over the show - you know big fantasies of how it will be etc. Just go and have a good time. The higher the expectations are the easier it is to be let down. Guru ga ga Thank you for your donations 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: HW: Brixton expectations Hi, The thought of the Brixton gig has me running both hot and cold. On the negative side - just cos various members from HW's golden age will be present doesn't automatically make the gig a great one. What's the worst "HW" gig ever performed? ..... Hawkon, Manchester 85. Absolute bloody shambles. OK, so these guys probably only met up just before the gig and any ideas of a rehearsal are pure fantasy. But take Ramsgate 84 with both Nik & Bob present, should have been a stormer, but alas, it was not to be. To my mind, the success of this gig hinges on the preparation put into it. With few exceptions, the best HW gigs has been with the current (at that time) members, who just happen to play an exceptional gig. If we're to get the best from someone like Lemmy's presence then we need to hear songs where he is more prominent, like The Watcher or Time We Left and not just during an encore of Silver Machine. If Simon House is present then we need Spiral Galaxy or a full blown Assault & Battery, not just some inaudible violin during Damnation Alley. On the positive side - Rainbow 81, with Bob, Nik & Moorcock is still one of my favs, so hopefully all my fears are unfounded. I've still not committed to a ticket yet, as the thought of a disappointment is a painful one. However, the thought of missing what could be a true classic is even more painful, so not doubt, the deed will be done! Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Sep 10 04:05:42 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:05:42 +0200 Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton Message-ID: Hello all, When going to London I always stay at the LONDON HOUSE HOTEL Prices are decent ?20-?25 and it's a neat hotel.The mices don't run around the building (had that ones).Not that much luxury but really neat. It's near Queensway.Ok,not that close but maybe you guys could share a cab? I'm staying at Bob Paterson house,some of you will certainly know him. He will be at the Beehive too. Anyway the hotel adress is: LONDON HOUSE HOTEL 81 KENSINGTON GARDENS SQUARE LONDON W2 4DJ tel:+44 (0) 171-727 0696 fax:+44 (0) 171-243 8626 see you all at the beehive,actually what time will we meet? I know a pub:The Hope and Anchor that opens at 7 am (you have to take breakfast,but you can drink a pinte!) Maybe something for Mike Holmes ;-)) (just kidding) greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:58 AM Subject: Re: HW: places to stay near brixton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arin Komins > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM > Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton > > > > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. > > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... > > I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that > are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the > following responses based on two questions: > > 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably > add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) > 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? > > New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 > rooms 35 > Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 > rooms 137 > Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 > rooms 150 > Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 > rooms 87 > Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 > rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even > sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) > Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply > Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 > rooms 10 > Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he > could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) > rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place > that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! > London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 > rooms 30 > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply > > The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 > Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. > I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow > Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" > may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case > here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about > it. > > I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like > probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room > numbers) and might be worth investigating further. > Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing > to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? > > cheers > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 10 07:04:18 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:18 +0930 Subject: My expectation of Brixton Message-ID: Dear fellow Hawkwind fans, My expectations of the Brixton show are as follows..... The band will arrive The band will perform I will have a good time Anything else is a bonus\ ps The badge artwork is finished - Organising the pressing of badges etcetera They look nice people!! CYA thar ......... 6 weeks and counting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Sep 10 08:05:06 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:05:06 +0200 Subject: My expectation of Brixton Message-ID: That's the second time you put it wright. But really looking forward to the bonus. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: My expectation of Brixton Dear fellow Hawkwind fans, My expectations of the Brixton show are as follows..... The band will arrive The band will perform I will have a good time Anything else is a bonus\ ps The badge artwork is finished - Organising the pressing of badges etcetera They look nice people!! CYA thar ......... 6 weeks and counting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 10 09:14:24 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:44:24 +0930 Subject: My expectation of Brixton Message-ID: Indeed...Indeed 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: My expectation of Brixton That's the second time you put it wright. But really looking forward to the bonus. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: My expectation of Brixton Dear fellow Hawkwind fans, My expectations of the Brixton show are as follows..... The band will arrive The band will perform I will have a good time Anything else is a bonus\ ps The badge artwork is finished - Organising the pressing of badges etcetera They look nice people!! CYA thar ......... 6 weeks and counting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Sep 10 17:14:38 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle Tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... I guess Circle is still planning to come to the USA, even though their part-time touring partners here in the east (SubArachnoid Space) had to drop out. I also discovered that the dates are posted at www.FeldsparRecords.com, although I know there have been some alterations since then. So I've combined what I knew from the SAS updated dates with these dates and came up with the following... (Note, I can't be certain all of these are correct! Please check with the venue before travelling!!) Grakkl (FAA) Circle Tour Dates (with my corrections based on more recent information) September (it says October on the website, but that's wrong) 16 Fireside Bowl, Chicago (all ages) 17 Empty Bottle, Chicago 18 TBA, Cleveland/Columbus/Ann Arbor (18 Detroit, MI - Gold Dollar, with Windy & Carl) 19 TBA, Cleveland/Columbus/Ann Arbor (19 Pittsburgh, PA - Millvale Industrial Theater, with Arco Flute Foundation) 20 Manny presents, Pittsburgh, PA (moved up a day as above) (20 Philadelphia, PA - Khyber Pass, with Dysrhythmia, Secession Movement) 21 Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT I guess) 22 Knitting Factory, NYC, with Oval (the cancelled Escapade/SAS show was a different date!) 23 Fort Thunder, Providence, RI; Deep Heaven Festival! With Lockgroove, & more! 24 Flywheel, Easthampton MA 25 TBA, NYC/DC 26 TBA, Boston/DC 27 TBA, Boston/DC 28 Khyber Pass, Philadelphia, PA (Tentative) (perhaps this is no longer valid?) October 7 San Francisco, CA - Aquarius Records 30th Anniv. Party, w/ Village of Savoonga and others (hopefully some more western dates somewhere here) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Sep 10 19:47:46 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:47:46 EDT Subject: HW: Blanga? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/10/00 5:57:25 PM, carledlund at mindspring.com responds to the following << I've read the term "blanga" written by people when talking about HW, on several occasions on the list. I'm not a great one for labels, but I'd love to know what the "blanga" sound is. Can anyone please describe it for me? If it defies description, then how about list a few ultra "blanga" HW songs? Then when the word is next used, I'll no longer picture a pink wobbly jelly-like blob in my mind's eye! ==================================================================See the following URL: http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/intro.html Cheers, Carl ===== "<>" -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carledlund at mindspring.com >> From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Sep 10 19:54:20 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:54:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle Tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... Adding two more shows I found listed on the web. 25th and 27th as below. Sorry for so much list traffic on this band...they really are worth it though! Check 'em out if you have a chance! This is certainly a rare opportunity to see some of Finland's finest. You can read reviews of their stuff at aural-innovations.com and check out their poorly-updated website at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~phinnweb/circle Grakkl (FAA) Circle Tour Dates (with my corrections based on more recent information) September (it says October on the website, but that's wrong) 16 Fireside Bowl, Chicago (all ages) 17 Empty Bottle, Chicago, w/ Salom? 18 TBA, Cleveland/Columbus/Ann Arbor (18 Detroit, MI - Gold Dollar, with Windy & Carl) 19 TBA, Cleveland/Columbus/Ann Arbor (19 Pittsburgh, PA - Millvale Industrial Theater, with Arco Flute Foundation) 20 Manny presents, Pittsburgh, PA (moved up a day as above) (20 Philadelphia, PA - Khyber Pass, with Dysrhythmia, Secession Movement) 21 Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT I guess) 22 Knitting Factory, NYC, with Oval (the cancelled Escapade/SAS show was a different date!) 23 Fort Thunder, Providence, RI; Deep Heaven Festival! With Lockgroove, & more! 24 Flywheel, Easthampton MA 25 TBA, NYC/DC (25 New York, NY, Brownie's, with The Birdwatcher) 26 TBA, Boston/DC 27 TBA, Boston/DC (27 Baltimore, MD, Ottobar, with Qui Vicino, Red Sea, Ruby Falls) 28 Khyber Pass, Philadelphia, PA (Tentative) (perhaps this is no longer valid?) October 7 San Francisco, CA - Aquarius Records 30th Anniv. Party, w/ Village of Savoonga and others (hopefully some more western dates somewhere here) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 11 02:59:34 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:59:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Blanga? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >I'm not a great one for labels, but I'd love to know what the >"blanga" sound is. Onomatopoeia. ie. it sounds like "Blanga blanga blanga" >Can anyone please describe it for me? >If it defies description, then how about list a few ultra "blanga" HW songs? Brainstorm. -- Jon From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 11 05:37:57 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:37:57 EDT Subject: HW: Blanga? Message-ID: kind of similar to the title of the UK metal mag 'KERRANG!', which is supposed to be 'the sound of a guitar chord struck loudly'. also makes more sense if you read alot of chuck eddy bobm From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 06:22:01 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:22:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:32:04 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) If I'm not already on a list to have this sent out the minute it comes into the paws of C&D then please add me to it... FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 11 06:36:38 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:36:38 +0800 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > Hi Andy Can I please order TB new album. Thanks Bill From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Sep 11 06:26:12 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:26:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Blanga? Message-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Browne [mailto:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] > >Can anyone please describe it for me? >If it defies description, then how about list a few ultra "blanga" HW songs? > >Brainstorm. >-- >Jon BlangaBlangaBlangaBlangaBlangaBlanga-Bla-Blanga ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:18:38 EDT Subject: (Fwd): Allen Woody Tirbute Show [NO BOC/HW] Message-ID: One for Woody is a musical event happening Thursday night September 21 at Roseland Ballroom 239 West 52th St. in New York City, Showtime 7:00 PM. The untimely passing of Gov't Mule bassist Allen Woody has brought together many of his musical friends in commemoration of Woody with net proceeds of the show going in trust for his wife and daughter. Contributors of their musical talent includes: The Allman Brothers Band The Black Crowes: Chris Robinson, Rich Robinson, Steve Gorman, Eddie Harsch & Audley Freed Gov't Mule's Warren Haynes, Matt Abts & Friends Phil Lesh & Friends Please join us in helping take care of Woody's family's future Tickets are on sale now for $75 each, general admission, available at the Irving Plaza box office, online, TicketMaster outlets and charge-by-phone 212-307-7171, 201-597-8900, 631-888-9000, 914-454-3388. Tickets subject to convenience charges. Event, Date, Time & Artists subject to change. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 11 08:27:18 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:27:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: > > > > Anyway, my wife and I had a little argument. I seem to recall this bit where > > EB would pretend to cut his palm with a razor, complete with fake blood and > > all. My wife says I dreamed this, she doesn't recall it at all. I don't > > remember what song he did this in but I'm certain he did it. > > > > > > We did that for awhile in Unknown Tongue. Eric got a couple rubber knives in a > joke shop and would load 'em up with fake blood and during that part of the > song he'd just squeeze the handle. We only did it in UT, never in 7SDB. > Al I believe they did it a few times after you left Al - I never witnessed it personally, but I've got a live tape (either around '84 or '92 - memory fails here) where Eric did the rap about selling his sould to the Devil for a record contract, and when mentioning the part about "You gotta sign it in blood", Eric says something about never going anywhere in New York without his "trusty blade", and then you can hear on tape a lengthy buildup, and Eric comes back saying "So I signed my name in BLOOD" - I seem to recall confirming this with someone that he actually did the palm-cutting thing. Anyways, I assume this was after you were out of the band - I believe that you guys didn't do 7SDB much after about 1975 (and of course UT came out much later, 1981, so I would bet Eric got his little toy somewhere around that time? > >It sure is great getting things like this straightened out right from the > >horses mouth (so to speak). Way better than reading that dusty ol' FAQ! > >Personally, cliche` though it may sound, for me the 70's are pretty much of > >a blur. Now I can say, "neener, neener" to my wife with confidence! hehe > > Although I'm sure JB didnt meant the FAq line maliciously, I gotsta say > that the FAQ is hands down THE best internet resource on anying BOC > related. Sure its long but its full o' quality and hard work. A lot of > what brought it about was trawling from BOCl'ers as well as contributions > from former BOC members, Bolle Gregmar and, oh yeah, John :). I think its > indispensable and wish that 3OC's official website had a millionth of what > the FAQ contains. (which btw, the official site has the lyrics on it now, > so save your $$ on the lyric book) Hey, no offense taken here! :-) Lyrics are on the website, huh? I had heard that Bolle had been trying to work on that - well, maybe all the people who've been bitching on alt.music.blueoystercult about having to buy a lyric book can stop now. ;-) > > I'm a big Hawkwind and BOC fan who's just joined the list, so could someone > tell me where the FAQ resides? I was pointed to the listserv address by a > correspondent (thanks Steven!) http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman Enjoy! John (bocfaqman at aol.com) From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Mon Sep 11 10:11:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:11:00 +0100 Subject: Blanga Message-ID: In answer to the person asking about Blanga, see the HW Blanga guide at http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/ which includes a nice definition or two. Steve Litchfield http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ ("Simon King and Hawkwind") From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 11:07:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:35 +0100 Subject: The Tipper presidency.. Message-ID: Looks like Tipper Gore is itching to have another go at censorship: www.bloomberg.com/bbn/topworld.html/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Sep 11 12:13:19 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:13:19 EDT Subject: OFF Re: The Tipper presidency.. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/11/00 11:08:00 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <" From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 11 16:15:34 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:15:34 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: > Lyrics are on the website, huh? I had heard that Bolle had been trying > to work on that - well, maybe all the people who've been bitching on > alt.music.blueoystercult about having to buy a lyric book can stop now. ;-) Is this the official BOC website? > > > > I'm a big Hawkwind and BOC fan who's just joined the list, so could someone > > tell me where the FAQ resides? I was pointed to the listserv address by a > > correspondent (thanks Steven!) > > http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman Thanks a lot - made very entertaining reading............BTW, as lots of HW/BOC related bands seem to get mentioned on this list (that, unfortunately, I've never heard of), are there any Tubilah Dog fans out there? Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 11 16:39:13 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:39:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ In-Reply-To: <00e901c01c2d$0b9cb7e0$5da8fea9@w8h4s4> Message-ID: > Is this the official BOC website? > No, that would be http://www.blueoystercult.com ;) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Sep 11 15:35:40 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:35:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: HW: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: Mark asked... >> Lyrics are on the website, huh? I had heard that Bolle had been trying >> to work on that - well, maybe all the people who've been bitching on >> alt.music.blueoystercult about having to buy a lyric book can stop now. >;-) > >Is this the official BOC website? No, that's a USENET newsgroup. >Thanks a lot - made very entertaining reading............BTW, as lots of >HW/BOC related bands seem to get mentioned on this list (that, >unfortunately, I've never heard of), are there any Tubilah Dog fans out >there? Yeah, I really thought the Safe Zone track from T.A.T. was excellent, and a couple things from the In Search of Plaice CD were interesting, but I think that was made long after their prime (and long after Jerry had split). I wish whatever tapes and such that might have been made during the 80s free-festy days would be gathered together, cleaned up and (posthumously?) released. Grakkl (FAA) From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 11 16:51:30 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:51:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: HW: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: > Yeah, I really thought the Safe Zone track from T.A.T. was excellent, and a > couple things from the In Search of Plaice CD were interesting, but I think > that was made long after their prime (and long after Jerry had split). I > wish whatever tapes and such that might have been made during the 80s > free-festy days would be gathered together, cleaned up and (posthumously?) > released. I know Steve Mills and Dave Claridge (who helped out on the In Search of Plaice album), so I can ask to find out what's going on. Mark From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Sep 11 16:51:55 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:51:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ > > Is this the official BOC website? > > > > No, that would be http://www.blueoystercult.com Cheers! Mark From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Sep 11 21:55:03 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:25:03 +0930 Subject: ...somebody help meh... Message-ID: Hi can anyone direct me to a site that contains lyrics to Hawkwind songs. I want to be sure I have them 100% correct cheers Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Sep 12 03:09:31 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:09:31 -0600 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ Message-ID: > I believe they did it a few times after you left Al - I never witnessed > it personally, but I've got a live tape (either around '84 or '92 - > memory fails here) where Eric did the rap about selling his sould to the > Devil for a record contract, and when mentioning the part about "You > gotta sign it in blood", Eric says something about never going anywhere > in New York without his "trusty blade", and then you can hear on tape a > lengthy buildup, and Eric comes back saying "So I signed my name in > BLOOD" - I seem to recall confirming this with someone that he actually > did the palm-cutting thing. Anyways, I assume this was after you were > out of the band - I believe that you guys didn't do 7SDB much after > about 1975 (and of course UT came out much later, 1981, so I would bet > Eric got his little toy somewhere around that time? Phew! Thanks for reporting this John. After reading Al's post that they never did this during 7SDB, I starting thinking that maybe I should have done drugs in my youth. I know that I saw Eric do this during that song. It was at the Swing Auditorium in San Bernardino CA (I don't think this tuna-can of a concert venue exists anymore) and the only time I saw them do 7SDB live. Brad From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 05:08:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:08:00 +0100 Subject: DVD Message-ID: Hey, wasn't someone in here about to tell us all about a new HW DVD that's coming out? Do tell! Steve From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 12 06:41:02 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:11:02 +0930 Subject: DVD Message-ID: Ya please tell me this things ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:38 PM Subject: DVD > Hey, wasn't someone in here about to tell us all about a new HW DVD that's > coming out? > > Do tell! > > Steve > From IainFerguson at CS.COM Tue Sep 12 07:57:44 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:57:44 EDT Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Anyone heard of this CD. Seen it advertised in a magazine and I must admit i've never heard of it. is it one of those god awful "text of festival" type issues/reissues ( thanks Dave Anderson... NOT) Or is it a bootleg worthy of buying ( only got one bootleg - Live at the Bottom line ) Any info greatly accepted . Cheers & see you all at the gig... I do hope the Man straps on his acoustic and plays Hurry on Sundown... Love & Peace iain From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 12 10:29:08 2000 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:29:08 EDT Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? Message-ID: If anyone needs a copy of this cd - please contact me. Peace and Love, Jim Collins From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Sep 12 10:30:22 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:30:22 +0200 Subject: ...somebody help meh... In-Reply-To: <003c01c01c5c$786185c0$7fcb223f@arcom> Message-ID: Hi Michael >can anyone direct me to a site that contains lyrics to Hawkwind >songs. want to be sure I have them 100% correct Try this http://pc-shop-talk.com/hawklyrics/ cheers Bernhard From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 13:33:48 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:33:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? Message-ID: It's "Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin". Agaiiiiiiiinnnnnnn. Isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? > Hi Folks, > > Anyone heard of this CD. Seen it advertised in a magazine and I must admit > i've never heard of it. > is it one of those god awful "text of festival" type issues/reissues thanks > Dave Anderson... NOT) > Or is it a bootleg worthy of buying ( only got one bootleg - Live at the > Bottom line ) > > Any info greatly accepted . > > Cheers & see you all at the gig... I do hope the Man straps on his acoustic > and plays Hurry on Sundown... > > Love & Peace > iain > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 12 14:09:18 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:09:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: errrrr........yes, that will be fine but I think the other Andy G. wrote that and I don't think you're supposed to do orders with CDS via the discussion group. But, only too happy to oblige, consider it on the way and in future e.mail me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com if it's an off-group thing. Ta, Andy Garibaldi (not Gilham) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > > Hi Andy > Can I please order TB new album. > > Thanks > Bill From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 12 14:23:29 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:23:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: yes - will do - for anyone else, sorry but please e.mail orders off this group to me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com or agcdser at aol.com Thanks, Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > If I'm not already on a list to have this sent out the minute it comes > into the paws of C&D then please add me to it... > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 12 14:32:53 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:32:53 +0100 Subject: HW Re: DVD Message-ID: Yep - that was me - but in the grand tradition of Hawkwind, a few days before it was due to come out, its release date has been put back to October and I'm still not entirely certain of its release yet but hope to have concrete news in a few days so I won't start getting your hopes up just yet but bear with me. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: DVD > Ya please tell me this things > > ;) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Litchfield > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:38 PM > Subject: DVD > > > > Hey, wasn't someone in here about to tell us all about a new HW DVD that's > > coming out? > > > > Do tell! > > > > Steve > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 12 14:27:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:27:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: -cover version Message-ID: I'm selling this vinyl single by the Screaming Diz Busters which is a version of 'This Ain't The Summer Of Love' on the Amigo label. Someone at the weekend asked me who they were and for the life of me I can't remember - I've not had a chance to check any web site, so can anyone enlighten me? Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:51 PM Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Gilham > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: BOC: A few random thoughts / FAQ > > > > > Is this the official BOC website? > > > > > > > No, that would be http://www.blueoystercult.com > > Cheers! > > Mark From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 12 14:29:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:29:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: OK!!! - what's your e.mail there please Micheal? Andy Garibaldi andygee at dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael blackman" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > Me Too I'd love a copy > > Michael B > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill & Cynthia > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: M Holmes > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:22 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > > > > Hi Andy > > Can I please order TB new album. > > > > Thanks > > Bill From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 12 16:56:21 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:56:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake In-Reply-To: <00f701c01cf7$99cb20e0$d897bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Yeah, I just posted the press release because Tim sent it to me and I figured it was of interest. I don't sell records (although maybe I should, I'd pick up a lot of Andy's orders through the confusion! :))) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI > Sent: 12 September 2000 19:09 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > errrrr........yes, that will be fine but I think the other Andy G. wrote > that and I don't think you're supposed to do orders with CDS via the > discussion group. But, only too happy to oblige, consider it on > the way and > in future e.mail me at: > andygee at dial.pipex.com > if it's an off-group thing. > Ta, > Andy Garibaldi (not Gilham) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: M Holmes > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:22 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > > > > Hi Andy > > Can I please order TB new album. > > > > Thanks > > Bill > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 12 16:58:22 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:58:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: -cover version In-Reply-To: <00fb01c01cf7$9d3267c0$d897bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: > I'm selling this vinyl single by the Screaming Diz Busters which is a > version of 'This Ain't The Summer Of Love' on the Amigo label. Someone at > the weekend asked me who they were and for the life of me I can't > remember - > I've not had a chance to check any web site, so can anyone enlighten me? > Andy Garibaldi Aren't they the Nomads (from Sweden)? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 13 05:20:50 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:20:50 +0100 Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton In-Reply-To: <002601c0192f$d9c68fc0$66cd883e@jds> Message-ID: > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply That's probably because it's now a hostel for Kosovan refugees, he said helpfully. -- Andy obCD: Acid Jam 2 mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 13 05:41:44 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk HAWKWIND HAWKESTRA; 'THE LINE UP FROM '69 THROUGH THE AGES OF TIME' LIVE ALL NIGHT @ BRIXTON ACADEMY SATURDAY OCTOBER 21ST 2000. Every existing member of groundbreaking space/acid/psychedelic rock band Hawkwind, whose 1972 hit 'Silver Machine' single is currently airing on UK TV screens as the soundtrack of Mazda's car advertising campaign, will be reuniting for 'Hawkestra', a one-off show at Brixton Academy on Saturday 21st October 2000. Tickets, priced ?18.50, are on sale now from the box office on 020 7771 2000 and all usual outlets. Main man Dave Brock will be reunited with Ian 'LEMMY' Kilmister and Nik Turner along with most members of the 70-76 line up for the first time in 25 years, fronting a marathon three hour set (11.00 - 2.00) during which every Hawkwind band member that is alive, able or still plays will at some stage through the evening play on numbers they originally performed. The light show will be the original one designed by the legendary Liquid Len. The following night, Motorhead, whose concert moniker is, '25 Years - Paid Up Front', will be celebrating their 25th Anniversary and similarly promise a variety of special guests, including former band members and long-time musician fans. This will be a weekend not to miss! The full list of Star Rats that have expressed their desire to be there and participate in the monumental 'Hawkestra' is:- KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock DRUMS Richard Chadwick BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar VIBES Dikmik DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell GUITAR Jerry Richards GUITAR Adrian Shaw KEYBOARD Steve Swindells DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 13 06:02:00 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:02:00 +1200 Subject: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > HAWKWIND > HAWKESTRA; 'THE LINE UP FROM '69 THROUGH THE AGES >OF TIME' LIVE ALL NIGHT @ BRIXTON ACADEMY SATURDAY >OCTOBER 21ST 2000. > > Every existing member of groundbreaking >space/acid/psychedelic rock band Hawkwind WOW ! What more can one say Richard Cranium Music From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Sep 13 06:50:33 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:50:33 EDT Subject: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/00 5:56:16 AM, richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ writes: <<> Every existing member of groundbreaking >space/acid/psychedelic rock band Hawkwind WOW ! What more can one say >> ====== "where's simon king?", for one thing... "<>" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 13 07:09:43 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:09:43 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <9b.a3ec052.26f0b5f9@aol.com> Message-ID: Read closely, it says "still plays." Geez, news this amazing and you still find time to whinge???? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: 13 September 2000 11:51 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Hawkwind press release > > > In a message dated 9/13/00 5:56:16 AM, richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ writes: > > <<> Every existing member of groundbreaking > > >space/acid/psychedelic rock band Hawkwind > > > WOW ! What more can one say > > >> > ====== > "where's simon king?", for one thing... > > "<>" > From SHLL at NOVO.DK Wed Sep 13 07:10:07 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:10:07 +0200 Subject: HW: London 2000 Message-ID: Hej, Well, I have my tickets in hand for the upcoming concert. I don't know if anyone besides Magnus and myself will be making it over from Denmark. I wonder if Dave had thought about something for the Passport holders or not? Probably not, as he is too busy just trying to pull this off.. I was curious to see a few people missing from the list of people who will perform with Hawkwind. I guess we can assume that Dave Anderson and Ginger Baker have been sort of blacklisted from the gig. Ginger might call it his show and of course if Dave got a hold of a copy of the performance there would be releases of it until the day he or all of us are dead! Really glad to see that dik mik and del will be there. This is quite special. The only true audio generator players. I look forward to meeting you all in London. scott From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Sep 13 07:17:39 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:17:39 EDT Subject: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/00 7:09:12 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: <> ========= early in this sequence it was said he'd be there too. we werent told he was 'still playing' until now, apparently. and i havent seen site links for other hawkdrummers... so which part was the surprise? wontcha miss him? "<>" warning: potentially subversive content: &TOTSE - Home Page From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 07:55:01 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:55:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > The full list of Star Rats that have expressed their desire to be there and > participate in the monumental 'Hawkestra' is:- > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake > GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock > DRUMS Richard Chadwick > BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble > BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey > ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar > VIBES Dikmik > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin > VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House > BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister > GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell > GUITAR Jerry Richards > GUITAR Adrian Shaw > KEYBOARD Steve Swindells > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson > VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree > SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner ***** ( o o ) --------------------------www--------www---------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | Wot? No Stacia? | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 13 08:32:15 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:32:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <200009131155.MAA11000@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > | | | | Wot? No Stacia? | | | | Seriously, noone seems to know where Stacia is these days - Nik heard that she'd moved to Liverpool a while ago, but that's where the trail ends. Unless someone knows better... in which case write to star_rats! Nik's also going to have another word with Simon K to try and persuade him to show up. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 13 10:17:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:47:04 +0930 Subject: HW: London 2000 Message-ID: Ditto ----- Original Message ----- From: SHLL (Scott Heller) To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: HW: London 2000 > Hej, > > Well, I have my tickets in hand for the upcoming concert. I don't > know if anyone besides Magnus and myself will be making it over from > Denmark. I wonder if Dave had thought about something for the Passport > holders or not? Probably not, as he is too busy just trying to pull this > off.. > > I was curious to see a few people missing from the list of people > who will perform with Hawkwind. I guess we can assume that Dave Anderson and > Ginger Baker have been sort of blacklisted from the gig. Ginger might call > it his show and of course if Dave got a hold of a copy of the performance > there would be releases of it until the day he or all of us are dead! > > Really glad to see that dik mik and del will be there. This is quite > special. The only true audio generator players. > > I look forward to meeting you all in London. > > scott > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 13 10:21:53 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:51:53 +0930 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au cheers!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > OK!!! - what's your e.mail there please Micheal? > Andy Garibaldi > andygee at dial.pipex.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael blackman" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > Me Too I'd love a copy > > > > Michael B > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill & Cynthia > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:06 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: M Holmes > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake > > > > > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > > PRESS RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > After Several Years of Phonographic Silence, > > > > > > "The Tide of the Century" -Tim Blake's new studio album > > > > > > will finally be released on September 25 2000, by > > > > > > BLUEPRINT, (uk) > > > > > > > Hi Andy > > > Can I please order TB new album. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bill > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 13 10:27:19 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:27:19 +0100 Subject: HW: London 2000 In-Reply-To: <27839F4FFBF6D21181E20008C7C56408040EA12F@exdkba04.novo.dk> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: > I was curious to see a few people missing from the list of people > who will perform with Hawkwind. I guess we can assume that Dave Anderson and > Ginger Baker have been sort of blacklisted from the gig. Ginger might call > it his show and of course if Dave got a hold of a copy of the performance > there would be releases of it until the day he or all of us are dead! I think the interesting thing is who will cover the gaps. Ron will be Bob Calvert, obviously, and I guess Thomas Crimble will be John Harrison and Dave Anderson, but there are still some obvious ones. Who stands in for Simon King? Alan Powell? Please no. Terry Ollis? Well, good, but different. Hmm. I assume Alan will cover Harvey's old bass parts. Presumably all the Bridget stuff is out. There's still an awful lot to choose from though. And which line-up gets the classic songs? They've all played them. MotU for the first, `Brainstorm' for the _Live 79_ line-up, please please `Orgone Accumulator' when Lemmy's on, and all the Captain Lockheed stuff for the modern-day line-up? Also, I rather hope some new material will get an airing. There really ought to be some by now even if it's only the Star Nation stuff. And in some ways it'll be a rather dead-ended event if there's indication of a future as well a past. Still mindblowing of course, but... > Really glad to see that dik mik and del will be there. This is quite > special. The only true audio generator players. Very true, although that Steve Smith fella they had in for `Phetamine Street' did it none too badly. Can I also note that there's no mention of Mr. Dibs or Cpt. Rizz, and heave a huge sigh of relief... > I look forward to meeting you all in London. It will, as my erstwhile school-mates would have said, large :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 11:00:10 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:00:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake > GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock > DRUMS Richard Chadwick > BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble > BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey > ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar > VIBES Dikmik > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin > VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House > BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister > GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell > GUITAR Jerry Richards > GUITAR Adrian Shaw > KEYBOARD Steve Swindells > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson > VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree > SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner Whatever happened to Mick Slattery? Didn't he play the Hawkon in 1985? FoFP From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Sep 13 11:06:03 2000 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:06:03 CDT Subject: BOC: Harvest Moon In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:00:01 CDT." <200009130900.FAA20824@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: BTW, tonight is the night of the Harvest Moon, i.e. the night of the full moon closest to the atumnal equinox. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+- Yes I know the secrets of the iron and mind ---+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Their trinity acts a mineral fire. | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Yes I know the secrets of the circuitry mind | +Simulation Technology Team-+--- It's a flaming wonder telepath... ----[BOC]+ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Sep 13 11:02:15 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:02:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: Re: Mick Slattery He also guested at Hammy Odeon, some time in the mid eighties too! Can't recall which gig! Guy -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 13 September 2000 16:00 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind press release Andy Gilham writes: > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge > KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake > GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock > DRUMS Richard Chadwick > BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble > BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey > ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar > VIBES Dikmik > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin > VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House > BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister > GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell > GUITAR Jerry Richards > GUITAR Adrian Shaw > KEYBOARD Steve Swindells > DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson > VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree > SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner Whatever happened to Mick Slattery? Didn't he play the Hawkon in 1985? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 11:35:36 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:35:36 +0100 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: No Samantha Fox either? FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 13 11:50:40 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:50:40 +0100 Subject: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: <200009131535.QAA26126@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: You want the moon on a stick, you do! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 13 September 2000 16:36 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Hawkestra > > > No Samantha Fox either? > > FoFP > From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Sep 13 13:15:10 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:15:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: Huh, no Ginger Baker either..... Hey! Quit throwing things at me! Ouch! :) scorch From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 13 13:18:28 2000 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:18:28 +0900 Subject: HW: London 2000 Message-ID: Scot, you've spoilt it. I was going to start a "Ginger to Drum shock" rumour Dave "SHLL (Scott Heller)" wrote: > Hej, > > Well, I have my tickets in hand for the upcoming concert. I don't > know if anyone besides Magnus and myself will be making it over from > Denmark. I wonder if Dave had thought about something for the Passport > holders or not? Probably not, as he is too busy just trying to pull this > off.. > > I was curious to see a few people missing from the list of people > who will perform with Hawkwind. I guess we can assume that Dave Anderson and > Ginger Baker have been sort of blacklisted from the gig. Ginger might call > it his show and of course if Dave got a hold of a copy of the performance > there would be releases of it until the day he or all of us are dead! > > Really glad to see that dik mik and del will be there. This is quite > special. The only true audio generator players. > > I look forward to meeting you all in London. > > scott From frankw at STC.COMM.MOT.COM Wed Sep 13 13:23:21 2000 From: frankw at STC.COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:23:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: >Re: Mick Slattery > >He also guested at Hammy Odeon, some time in the mid eighties too! Can't >recall which gig! According to my info, he only played once in the eighties, and that was at the Manchester Exhibition Hall on 10 Feb 1985. Can anyone confirm that he played at another gig? Frank -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -- Steven Wright ============================================================ Frank Weil | Frank.Weil at motorola.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3280 From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 13 13:48:58 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:48:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: > >The full list of Star Rats that have expressed their desire to be there and >participate in the monumental 'Hawkestra' is:- >KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge >KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake >GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock >DRUMS Richard Chadwick >BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble >BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey >ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar >VIBES Dikmik >DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin >VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House >BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister >GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton >DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis >DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell >GUITAR Jerry Richards >GUITAR Adrian Shaw >KEYBOARD Steve Swindells >DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson >VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree >SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner I know the Academy's got a big stage, but that's an awful lot of gear they're gonna have to find room for! Nick From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Sep 13 14:10:02 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:10:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: looks good to me!!!! got my ticket and i'll dame well make sure i am there shame simon king aint going to appear he is there best drummer in my opinion glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell dikmik on vibes now that will be interesting!!!!! and dave only down for guitar and vocals, i want to see alot of him playing guitar i'm really looking forward to it!!!! no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? wish mike moorcock was in the line up though colm >Andy Gilham writes: > >> KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge >> KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake >> GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock >> DRUMS Richard Chadwick >> BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble >> BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey >> ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar >> VIBES Dikmik >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin >> VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House >> BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister >> GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell >> GUITAR Jerry Richards >> GUITAR Adrian Shaw >> KEYBOARD Steve Swindells >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson >> VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree >> SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner > > >Whatever happened to Mick Slattery? Didn't he play the Hawkon in 1985? > >FoFP > From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Sep 13 19:36:56 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:36:56 BST Subject: Hawkestra Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I'm glad Ron's involved. I think he does a pretty good job on the whole and comparing him with Calvert isn't really fair. I just hope Nik concentrates on playing instead of doing the 'comedy' routine. I wonder what the 'original' Liquid Len light show will be. Has Atom Henge been dusted off ? I know it's not original but you never know. Whatever, this is a dream event which must not be missed. All the best Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 13 15:35:55 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:10:02 +0100, bedroom trancer wrote: >glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell I certainly hope this is the case, since he's a far better keyboard player than Swindells, Bainbridge, Blake or Brock (I'm not putting those four down, it's just that Simon truly is in a class of his own). >no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? He lives in Canada, which might pose some difficulty (but then again, Del and Alan Powell also live on this side of the pond, and they're both on the list). He's released two albums under the name "Pink Fairies" (just him & Twink) over the last few years, too. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 13 17:14:14 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:14:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: By gear I meant musical equipment, obviously. > >I know the Academy's got a big stage, but that's an awful lot of gear >they're gonna have to find room for! > >Nick From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Sep 13 17:14:07 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:14:07 +0200 Subject: HW:off to London Message-ID: Hello all, Just to let you know,I'm off tomorrow to London till the 19th. Will do some mega-Hawkwind-shopping while being there as my wife Frieda granted me ?250 to spend on Hawkwind and related stuff. Now that's my kind of girl !! Only been informed by this,this evening. Normal,I'm on a budget,aren't we all? 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URL: From novadrive at HOME.COM Wed Sep 13 17:56:18 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:56:18 -0700 Subject: Hawkestra Message-ID: Or the Steves (Bemand, Taylor, Hayes)?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:35 AM Subject: Hawkestra > No Samantha Fox either? > > FoFP From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Sep 13 20:15:46 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:15:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: At 22:14 13/09/00, you wrote: >By gear I meant musical equipment, obviously. > > > >I know the Academy's got a big stage, but that's an awful lot of gear > >they're gonna have to find room for! > > > >Nick Now what else could you have meant....8-{P> ChrisW From swann at CUGC.ORG Wed Sep 13 22:28:42 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:28:42 -0400 Subject: So long and thanks for all the hawks In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000823000529.008c9b70@flite.net>; from Andrew Apold on Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:05:29AM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:05:29AM -0400, Andrew Apold wrote: > The real reason was Steve Swann, he liked both bands so he started the list > dedicated to the bands he liked. In the early days there was probably more > B?C content than Hawkwind content. I'm not sure if archives for the list > exist but there were just volumes of serious B?C discussions here in the past. > > Also, a significant percentage of the B?C only fans have moved over to various > B?C soley dedicated lists... on some of which they are vehemently > anti-Hawkwind > because they got upset on this list at some point in the past. Not sure, You know, I always regretted the divisive attitudes that were taken up over this, such as the rift between the BOC-L and the AOL based fans... We're a small enough community to begin with, without further subdividing it. Sigh. But a lot of them, I understand, felt that our very "lively" and "opinionated" discussion here ;-) (true to the spirit of the old Usenet newsgroups from which this group was born) was somewhat disrespectful of the artists. I dunno, I suppose it was. Also, a lot of BOC fans objected to the masses of Hawkwind content "drowning out" the BOC content on the list. But you know... I started this list as a little hobby project back in college (1990 or so), because I thought that BOC and Hawkwind were two bands that didn't get enough attention on alt.rock-n-roll... I had *no idea* this this list would go on for years and years, and that the lack of new output from BOC during the 90's would gradually diminish the ratio of BOC-related content to the point where the BOC fans would feel slighted... Back when I started the list, _Imaginos_ was a (relatively) new album, and there were a million things that I didn't know about the band and its music, and so I gathered up a bunch of people to talk about it. Who thought that we'd have a whole decade in which to run out of new topics? :) And you know, we talked everything to death back then. Before we had Al to just answer all our question, we had to speculate about it, and debate it, and hypothesize about it, endlessly. So really, it's all Al's fault that there was no BOC discussion for a time. ;-) > can probably count Bolle Gregmar amongst these... he once related a Yeah, Bolle didn't seem to like us (or Hawkwind) too much, did he? ;-) > Well, anyways. There's a certain community to this list, it won't be the > same without both. I mean, the mystery tape that Theo was supposed to send > to someone, reports from Roswell alien conventions in New Mexico, these things > go hand in hand with reports from Australian Hawkfans... for sentimental > reasons, > I am against changing the name. Me, too. Oh, wait, I didn't know this was under discussion again. :) By the way, I'm back, did ya all miss me? Steve From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Sep 13 22:57:39 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:57:39 -0400 Subject: So long and thanks for all the hawks In-Reply-To: <20000913222842.31906@cugc.org> Message-ID: >Yeah, Bolle didn't seem to like us (or Hawkwind) too much, did he? ;-) > >> Well, anyways. There's a certain community to this list, it won't be the >> same without both. I mean, the mystery tape that Theo was supposed to send >> to someone, reports from Roswell alien conventions in New Mexico, these things >> go hand in hand with reports from Australian Hawkfans... for sentimental >> reasons, >> I am against changing the name. > >Me, too. Oh, wait, I didn't know this was under discussion again. :) >By the way, I'm back, did ya all miss me? Nah, we kept blaming you for everything just the same... welcome back, Steve. Thought we might've finally heard your Swann song, glad it wasn't. Now if we can just get Torgo to delurk.... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 14 01:58:34 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:28:34 +0930 Subject: HW:off to London Message-ID: Have fun you lucky so & so!!! :) Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: HW:off to London Hello all, Just to let you know,I'm off tomorrow to London till the 19th. Will do some mega-Hawkwind-shopping while being there as my wife Frieda granted me ?250 to spend on Hawkwind and related stuff. Now that's my kind of girl !! Only been informed by this,this evening. Normal,I'm on a budget,aren't we all? 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URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 05:17:10 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:17:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:35:55 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:10:02 +0100, bedroom trancer > wrote: > >glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell > > I certainly hope this is the case, since he's a far better keyboard player > than Swindells, Bainbridge, Blake or Brock ^^^^^ Stone the Blasphemer!! From SHLL at NOVO.DK Thu Sep 14 05:14:44 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:14:44 +0200 Subject: HW: who does the sound? Message-ID: After the mention of where all the gear was going to go, I was wondering who was going to do the sound. My worst nightmare about this show would be to come there and see all these people I have wanted to see jam together on stage and not be able to hear anything very clearly.. It is going to take a very experienced sound man or a very good soundcheck to get all the levels in order for all these different bass, guitar,and synth players. .. Does anyone else think about this? The sound has always been quite good at all the Hawkwind shows I have seen in the US but it seems that most of the live concert recordings I have heard from England are never that good? Lets hope for the best.. Could fly CHris Bruce over to do the sound.. (if he can stillhear anything)... Just joking.. Whereis the guy? Are he and Mary coming? scott From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Thu Sep 14 06:15:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:15:00 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Sep 2000 to 14 Sep 2000 (#2000-186) In-Reply-To: <200009140900.FAA25453@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > "where's simon king?", for one thing... > > Read closely, it says "still plays." > > Geez, news this amazing and you still find time to whinge???? > and i havent seen site links for other hawkdrummers... > so which part was the surprise? > wontcha miss him? Not that I know officially, but Simon King has been retired from his drum kit since 1983 and I doubt he'd feel up to professional drumming in such an intense arena etc. And the reason, of course, why there aren't web sites dedicated to other HW drummers is that he was by far the best. 8-))) Steve Litchfield From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Sep 14 06:45:40 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:45:40 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Sep 2000 to 14 Sep 2000 (#2000-186) Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/00 6:18:57 AM, slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK writes: <> ====== twas a rhetorical question, comrade.... of course he was the best. "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 14 08:46:21 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:46:21 -0400 Subject: HW: who does the sound? In-Reply-To: <27839F4FFBF6D21181E20008C7C56408040EA13B@exdkba04.novo.dk> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, SHLL (Scott Heller) wrote: => Could fly CHris Bruce over to do the sound.. (if he can stillhear => anything)... Nah, if they're going to fly anyone over it should be Brodie, who does the sound for Gov't Mule. The guy is a genius! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Sep 14 10:36:46 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: X-Brothers, Heaven Forbid, Brain Surgeons In-Reply-To: ; from Jean Lansford on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:29:09PM -0400 Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:29:09PM -0400, Jean Lansford wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, John A. Swartz wrote: > > >Well, maybe Al should repost Steve Swann's review of *Eponymous*... ;-) > > IIRC, it went: > > It's funky, it's rappin', it sucks. Actually, it was: "It's jazzy, it's funky, it's rappin', it sucks." I remember this very clearly, because of my exquisite embarrassment on finding out that Al was reading the list when I posted that. "And thank you for bringing up that very painful memory. While you're at it, why don't you give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?" - Miracle Max, from _The Princess Bride_ Of course, _Eponymous_ contains what eventually ended up being some of my favorite Brain Surgeons tunes... Steve hoping to avoid a relapse of foot-in-mouth disease. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 11:16:58 2000 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:16:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts In-Reply-To: <39B94951.7EFDC7A8@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Albert Bouchard wrote: > We did that for awhile in Unknown Tongue. Eric got a couple rubber knives in a > joke shop and would load 'em up with fake blood and during that part of the > song he'd just squeeze the handle. We only did it in UT, never in 7SDB. > Al Yes, I saw it included in the SWU set at Dunstable Civic Hall in 1981. I remember that you arrived late for that one, Albert, and a roadie had to play drums on the first number, which was The Red & The Black (if I remember correctly). Other crunchy numbers that night included Veteran of the Psychic Wars, Heavy Metal (Black & Silver), and Joan Crawford Has Risen From the Grave. Great show! Did you ever play with BOC again after that night? - Mike Godwin From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Thu Sep 14 10:08:15 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:08:15 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkestra, badges, Brixton, Beehive Message-ID: Dole money came through, floor to sleep on came through, so I'm a coming. See y'all in the Beehive pre HW and pre MH as well. Oh, the pain. Stuart Hamilton http://www.the-rocker.co.uk - On-line dealer in previously loved music Distributor of Stone Premonitions, Century Media, United World Underground and Elastic Fiction Secure ordering link http://www.netsounds.com/zeitgeist US site at http://www.zeitgeist.gemm.com/ Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist E-Zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 14 11:34:33 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozrics tour dates (for real) Message-ID: ATTN OZRIC FANZZZZ!!! OZRIC TENTACLES - THE HIDDEN STEP. NEW ALBUM! The release date of the new album - 2nd October 2000. Tracklisting: 1. HOLOHEDRON 2. THE HIDDEN STEP 3. ASHLANDI BOL 4. ARAMANU 5. PIXEL DREAM 6. TIGHT SPIN 7. TA KHUT USA TOUR The following dates are now confirmed with additions coming soon!! October 24 - Boston MA - The Paradise 25 - Philadelphia PA - The Trocadero 26 - Falls Church VA - State Theater 27-8 - New York NY - Wetlands Preserve November 2 - Charlotte NC - Visulite Theater 4 - Ferndale, MI (Detroit) 10 - Ft. Collins CO - Aggie Theater 11 - Denver CO - Gothic Theater 12 - Boulder CO - Fox Theater UK TOUR DATES THESE ARE THE DATES FOR THE FIRST PART OF "THE HIDDEN STEP" TOUR IN THE UK MORE UK DATES WILL ADDED SOON, POSSIBLY FOR DECEMBER. 26/9. York - Fibbers (b/o: 01423-521 176) 27/9. Ashton-U-Lyme - Witchwood (b/o: 0161-344 0321) 28/9. Brixton - Fridge (b/o: 020-7326 5100) 29/9. Doncaster - The Leopard (1 West Street Doncaster) (01302 - 363 054) 30/9. Harlow - Square (b/o: 01279-305000) 1/10. Sheffield - Boarwalk (b/o: 0114-279 9090) 2/10. Bournemouth - Mr. Smiths (b/o: 01202-291 617) 3/10. Southampton - Brook TBC (b/o: 01703-555 366) 4/10. Derby - Flowerpot (b/o: 01332-740 091) (Way Ahead Records: 01159-129 000) 5/10. Chelteham - Bransons (b/o: 01242-573 600) 6/10. Northampton - Venue (b/o: 01234-217 177) Grakkl (FAA) From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 14 12:44:52 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:44:52 -0500 Subject: Brixton Gig./ American HW fans Message-ID: Hey Dan!...I booked my flight today, and ordered the tickets to the show. I got a round-trip from New Orleans for $478.00 through Priceline.com. (Cheapest I have found to date.) Hope you can make it! In any case, I look forward to seeing the show and meeting list-members and raising a pint or two...or three..or.... Add me to the name badge list please! Regards, Tom Clark "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > > > Are there any U.S. Hawk fans going? I'm trying to coordinate things; > it would be > great to go with other HW fans. Talk about a trip! > > Dan Ductor > Los Angeles HW fan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pospiech, Bernhard [SMTP:Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:39 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Meeting in pub before Brixton gig (List) > > Hi folks > > Here are so far the folks who will come to the BEEHIVE pub before > > the Brixton gig on 21.10.2000 > > Is the BEEHIVE ok ? And where exactely is this pub ? Very close > to the > Academy ? Near a TUBE station ? More infos from the LONDON folks > please!!! > > 1) Andreas Stuewe > 2) Gaby Stuewe > 3) Rainer Wangler > 4) Bernhard Pospiech > 5) Andy Garibaldi > 6) Ben Fagin > 7) Eli Friedman > 8) Kevin Sommers > 9) Jon Jarret > 10) Mike Holmes > 11) Jill Strobridge > 12) Michael Blackman > 13) Merrick French > 14) Julie French > 15) Si ??? > 16) Eric Siegerman > 17) Nick ??? > 18) Dave Greenhalgh > 19) Mick ??? > 20) Kevin Perry > 21) John Stanton > 22) Sara Stanton > 23) Colm ??? > 24) Matt ??? > > Someone forgotten ? > > I suppose the pub will be filled up with HAWKWIND fans. WOW! > > cheers > Bernhard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 14 13:00:07 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:00:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Getting to Brixton Message-ID: Will be arriving at Gatwick Saturday morning at around 1000 on the 21st. I would rent a car, but am afraid I will kill myself due to head on collision because I am not used to driving on the left hand side of the road. I would consider, however, pitching in on a rental car if someone were willing to drive. If anyone is interested, and will be arriving at around the same time, it could be less hassle than trains and subways and walking., ey? Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Hello all, > > When going to London I always stay at the LONDON HOUSE HOTEL > Prices are decent ?20-?25 and it's a neat hotel.The mices don't run around > the building (had that ones).Not that much luxury but really neat. > It's near Queensway.Ok,not that close but maybe you guys could share a cab? > I'm staying at Bob Paterson house,some of you will certainly know him. > He will be at the Beehive too. > Anyway the hotel adress is: > LONDON HOUSE HOTEL > 81 KENSINGTON GARDENS SQUARE > LONDON W2 4DJ > tel:+44 (0) 171-727 0696 > fax:+44 (0) 171-243 8626 > > see you all at the beehive,actually what time will we meet? > I know a pub:The Hope and Anchor that opens at 7 am (you have to take > breakfast,but you can drink a pinte!) > Maybe something for Mike Holmes ;-)) (just kidding) > > greetings > filip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jill Strobridge > To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:58 AM > Subject: Re: HW: places to stay near brixton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Arin Komins > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM > > Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton > > > > > > > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. > > > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... > > > > I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that > > are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the > > following responses based on two questions: > > > > 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably > > add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) > > 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? > > > > New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 > > rooms 35 > > Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 > > rooms 137 > > Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 > > rooms 150 > > Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 > > rooms 87 > > Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 > > rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even > > sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) > > Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply > > Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 > > rooms 10 > > Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he > > could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) > > rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place > > that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! > > London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 > > rooms 30 > > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply > > > > The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 > > Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. > > I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow > > Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" > > may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case > > here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about > > it. > > > > I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like > > probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room > > numbers) and might be worth investigating further. > > Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing > > to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? > > > > cheers > > jill > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jill Strobridge > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Sep 14 14:53:37 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:53:37 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Sep 2000 to 14 Sep 2000 (#2000-186) Message-ID: > >Not that I know officially, but Simon King has been retired from his drum >kit since 1983 and I doubt he'd feel up to professional drumming in such >an intense arena etc. He was interviewd in one of the 'where are they now' type articles that appeared when the remasters came out. He said he hadn't drummed for years and, although he was fit and well, couldn't see himself getting 'stage fit'. He didn't seem too interested in playing either. He's dealing antiques these days. Nick From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Sep 14 16:14:39 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:14:39 +0100 Subject: HW:off to London Message-ID: Filip If you get a chance could you check out the hotel situation in the Clapham area - particularly the Parkside Hotel 48-52 Clapham Common North side - or any other likely looking places? ta jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:14 PM Subject: HW:off to London Hello all, Just to let you know,I'm off tomorrow to London till the 19th. Will do some mega-Hawkwind-shopping while being there as my wife Frieda granted me ?250 to spend on Hawkwind and related stuff. Now that's my kind of girl !! Only been informed by this,this evening. Normal,I'm on a budget,aren't we all? So for trades,etc.,please wait till after the 19th,ok? best wishes filip hawknut From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 14 15:30:53 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:30:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: More Circle Message-ID: Hi again... In a weird bit of synchronicity, while I was browsing in Used Kids (the local OSU high-volume second-hand shop where I procure a ton of my discs at cut-rate prices) yesterday, I bumped into Stephanie of Feldspar Records in NYC, the label that (I learned) just re-released Circle's 1998 CD "Pori". She was on her way from NYC to Chicago to meet the band at the airport and help them get through customs. And then provide their transportation around the east (at least). So anyway, I learned that Circle is going to be playing live on Saturday (9/16) afternoon on a (north) Chicago radio station and I was wondering if anyone could manage to tape it for me. (Oh, by the way, that gig on Saturday night at Fireside Bowl-Chicago is now off. The tour will start officially on Sunday at the other place in Chicago.) The station is 89.5 FM WNUR, and the show 'Airplay' runs from 4 to 7 PM (Central) Saturday. I suppose they won't be on for the entire 3 hours...perhaps more than one band play on this show each week, I dunno. In any case, I'm only concerned about the Circle part. On the www.wnur.org/airplay website, it says that these things are webcast live in RealAudio. But my computer is completely soundless and I have no clue how these things work. And I guess RealAudio isn't really all that hot, as far as sound quality goes, so I suppose I would prefer the ole analog tape cassette. But I can't be picky. If there's noone in Chicago that can do it for me, then I would be happy if someone could just tell me how to 'save/download' the online version (It looks live only, so you have to do it then, right?) and transfer it into something I could actually hear. (Karen, I'm guessing that you can't get this station, as it's probably only on a weak transmitter.) Thanks for any help...anyone who can provide me a tape or any other hardcopy version of this show will get something in return. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Circle will be doing at least one show in LA, which might be the Knitting Factory (didn't know they had one out there) on Oct. 5. I should know in a few days for sure. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 14 16:57:31 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:57:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: X-Brothers, Heaven Forbid, Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Actually, it was: "It's jazzy, it's funky, it's rappin', it sucks." I > remember this very clearly, because of my exquisite embarrassment on > finding out that Al was reading the list when I posted that. > > Actually I thought that was one of the cleverest reviews that we had gotten up to that point. It was the "rock critic" part of the band that took offense. Frankly, I've never thought sucking was that bad. You know you've blown it when your mother likes your new record! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 14 17:01:04 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:01:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts Message-ID: > > Yes, I saw it included in the SWU set at Dunstable Civic Hall in 1981. I > remember that you arrived late for that one, Albert, and a roadie had to > play drums on the first number, which was The Red & The Black (if I Oh! They made me think I'd missed half the show! > > remember correctly). Other crunchy numbers that night included Veteran of > the Psychic Wars, Heavy Metal (Black & Silver), and Joan Crawford Has > Risen From the Grave. Great show! > > Did you ever play with BOC again after that night? > > - Yes I played with BOC for 8 or 9 shows in the spring of 1985 in California. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 14 16:47:30 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:47:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: Paul Rudolph last seen working hard with Twink on last Pink Fairies album 'No PIcture' and it was intended for the two of them to do the odd live date including a possible webcast, but then Twink split to the USA a while back, is still there somewhere on the West Coast so I heard, and it's unknown as to what he and/or Rudolph are down for next. But find Twink and you've found Rudolph (or vice versa). Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind press release > looks good to me!!!! > > got my ticket and i'll dame well make sure i am there > > shame simon king aint going to appear > > he is there best drummer in my opinion > > glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell > > dikmik on vibes now that will be interesting!!!!! > > and dave only down for guitar and vocals, i want to see alot of him playing > guitar > > i'm really looking forward to it!!!! > > no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? > > wish mike moorcock was in the line up though > > colm > > > > >Andy Gilham writes: > > > >> KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Harvey Bainbridge > >> KEYBOARD/ELECTRONICS Tim Blake > >> GUITAR/VOCALS Dave Brock > >> DRUMS Richard Chadwick > >> BASS/PEACE & LOVE Thomas Crimble > >> BASS/VOCALS Alan Davey > >> ELECTRONICS Del Dettmar > >> VIBES Dikmik > >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Martin Griffin > >> VIOLIN/KEYBOARD Simon House > >> BASS/VOCALS I. F. LEMMY Kilmister > >> GUITAR/VOCALS Huw Lloyd Langton > >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Terry Ollis > >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Alan Powell > >> GUITAR Jerry Richards > >> GUITAR Adrian Shaw > >> KEYBOARD Steve Swindells > >> DRUMS/PERCUSSION Danny Thompson > >> VOCALS/POEM Ron Tree > >> SAX/FLUTE/VOCAL/POEM Nik Turner > > > > > >Whatever happened to Mick Slattery? Didn't he play the Hawkon in 1985? > > > >FoFP > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 14 16:50:41 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:50:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: Sorry Doug - submitted my bit before reading yours - duplication of effort. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind press release > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:10:02 +0100, bedroom trancer > wrote: > >glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell > > I certainly hope this is the case, since he's a far better keyboard player > than Swindells, Bainbridge, Blake or Brock (I'm not putting those four > down, it's just that Simon truly is in a class of his own). > > >no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? > > He lives in Canada, which might pose some difficulty (but then again, Del > and Alan Powell also live on this side of the pond, and they're both on the > list). He's released two albums under the name "Pink Fairies" (just him & > Twink) over the last few years, too. > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu Sep 14 18:01:35 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:01:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: X-Brothers, Heaven Forbid, Brain Surgeons In-Reply-To: <39C13BBB.1AE06994@mindspring.com>; from Albert Bouchard on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:57:31PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:57:31PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Stephen Swann wrote: > > Actually, it was: "It's jazzy, it's funky, it's rappin', it sucks." I > > remember this very clearly, because of my exquisite embarrassment on > > finding out that Al was reading the list when I posted that. > > Actually I thought that was one of the cleverest reviews that we had gotten up > to that point. It was the "rock critic" part of the band that took offense. > Frankly, I've never thought sucking was that bad. You know you've blown it > when your mother likes your new record! Well, that explains why you didn't poison me when you had the chance... ;-) Regardless, this was how I discovered that there is a very distinct difference between the act of "opining" to a somewhat abstract neutral audience, and saying it to the face of the artist under discussion. Oof, what a shock to the system! Steve From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 14 18:14:47 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:14:47 -0500 Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra Message-ID: hey folks, For those of you in the states that are going to the concert, how did you go about getting tickets? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Thu Sep 14 14:27:53 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:27:53 -0000 Subject: HW Hawkestra Message-ID: Message-ID: Yep, I got my ticket too. It should be a lot of fun. Dave. From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 17:16:08 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:16:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Getting to Brixton In-Reply-To: <39C10416.32D59671@petronet.net> Message-ID: You want to drive in London? You must be mad! Take the train/tube/bus -- it's much easier, honest. At 12:00 14/09/00, Tom Clark wrote: >Will be arriving at Gatwick Saturday morning at around 1000 on the 21st. I >would rent a car, but am afraid I will kill myself due to head on collision >because I am not used to driving on the left hand side of the road. I would >consider, however, pitching in on a rental car if someone were willing to >drive. If anyone is interested, and will be arriving at around the same time, >it could be less hassle than trains and subways and walking., ey? > >Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> When going to London I always stay at the LONDON HOUSE HOTEL >> Prices are decent ?20-?25 and it's a neat hotel.The mices don't run around >> the building (had that ones).Not that much luxury but really neat. >> It's near Queensway.Ok,not that close but maybe you guys could share a cab? >> I'm staying at Bob Paterson house,some of you will certainly know him. >> He will be at the Beehive too. >> Anyway the hotel adress is: >> LONDON HOUSE HOTEL >> 81 KENSINGTON GARDENS SQUARE >> LONDON W2 4DJ >> tel:+44 (0) 171-727 0696 >> fax:+44 (0) 171-243 8626 >> >> see you all at the beehive,actually what time will we meet? >> I know a pub:The Hope and Anchor that opens at 7 am (you have to take >> breakfast,but you can drink a pinte!) >> Maybe something for Mike Holmes ;-)) (just kidding) >> >> greetings >> filip >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jill Strobridge >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:58 AM >> Subject: Re: HW: places to stay near brixton >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Arin Komins >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM >> > Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton >> > >> > >> > > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. >> > > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... >> > >> > I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that >> > are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the >> > following responses based on two questions: >> > >> > 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably >> > add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) >> > 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? >> > >> > New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 >> > rooms 35 >> > Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 >> > rooms 137 >> > Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 >> > rooms 150 >> > Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 >> > rooms 87 >> > Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 >> > rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even >> > sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) >> > Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply >> > Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 >> > rooms 10 >> > Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he >> > could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) >> > rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place >> > that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! >> > London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 >> > rooms 30 >> > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply >> > >> > The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 >> > Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. >> > I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow >> > Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" >> > may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case >> > here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about >> > it. >> > >> > I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like >> > probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room >> > numbers) and might be worth investigating further. >> > Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing >> > to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? >> > >> > cheers >> > jill >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Jill Strobridge >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 14 18:25:14 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:25:14 -0500 Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra Message-ID: Arin: I went to ticketmaster.co.uk and ordered them there. You can either specify that they be held at the door for pick up or have them sent to your home. They do accept international orders. A credit card is required, but I naively trust that if someone rips off my credit card number by hacking the site, the credit card company will honor my claim should that happen. See you there! Tom Arin Komins wrote: > hey folks, > > For those of you in the states that are going to the concert, > how did you go about getting tickets? > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Thu Sep 14 14:31:23 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:31:23 -0000 Subject: HW gear Message-ID: >By gear I meant musical equipment, obviously. You could be right on both counts... J Stanton From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Sep 14 18:37:55 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:37:55 -0700 Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra Message-ID: I ordered mine online from Ticketmaster; it arrived fairly quickly. Kevin Sommers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra > hey folks, > > For those of you in the states that are going to the concert, > how did you go about getting tickets? > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 14 18:38:30 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:30 -0500 Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra In-Reply-To: <002201c01e9c$6cf06840$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Kevin Sommers wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: tickets for hawkestra : :I ordered mine online from Ticketmaster; it arrived fairly quickly. : :Kevin Sommers hmmmm, ticketmaster.co.uk doesn't offer an area for State or zip code....and you still got it ok? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 14 18:44:29 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:44:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Getting to Brixton Message-ID: You are obviously from the UK, so I think I will take your advice. (And yes, I am mad!) Regards, Tom Dave Berry wrote: > You want to drive in London? You must be mad! Take the train/tube/bus -- > it's much easier, honest. > > At 12:00 14/09/00, Tom Clark wrote: > >Will be arriving at Gatwick Saturday morning at around 1000 on the 21st. I > >would rent a car, but am afraid I will kill myself due to head on collision > >because I am not used to driving on the left hand side of the road. I would > >consider, however, pitching in on a rental car if someone were willing to > >drive. If anyone is interested, and will be arriving at around the same time, > >it could be less hassle than trains and subways and walking., ey? > > > >Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> When going to London I always stay at the LONDON HOUSE HOTEL > >> Prices are decent ?20-?25 and it's a neat hotel.The mices don't run around > >> the building (had that ones).Not that much luxury but really neat. > >> It's near Queensway.Ok,not that close but maybe you guys could share a cab? > >> I'm staying at Bob Paterson house,some of you will certainly know him. > >> He will be at the Beehive too. > >> Anyway the hotel adress is: > >> LONDON HOUSE HOTEL > >> 81 KENSINGTON GARDENS SQUARE > >> LONDON W2 4DJ > >> tel:+44 (0) 171-727 0696 > >> fax:+44 (0) 171-243 8626 > >> > >> see you all at the beehive,actually what time will we meet? > >> I know a pub:The Hope and Anchor that opens at 7 am (you have to take > >> breakfast,but you can drink a pinte!) > >> Maybe something for Mike Holmes ;-)) (just kidding) > >> > >> greetings > >> filip > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jill Strobridge > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:58 AM > >> Subject: Re: HW: places to stay near brixton > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Arin Komins > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:21 PM > >> > Subject: HW: places to stay near brixton > >> > > >> > > >> > > I finally found a reasonable airfare to get over to the Hawkestra. > >> > > What are people doing for hotel/crash space? ... > >> > > >> > I've been phoning round places listed in the London Yellow Pages that > >> > are reasonably close to the Brixton venue and have come up with the > >> > following responses based on two questions: > >> > > >> > 1. What is your price for a single room for one night (you can probably > >> > add ?10 pounds to the price for a double room) > >> > 2. How many rooms do you have in the hotel? > >> > > >> > New Dome Hotel 51 Camberwell Church SE5 - Rate ?35 > >> > rooms 35 > >> > Novotel London Waterloo, 113 Lambeth Road, SE1 - Rate ?125 > >> > rooms 137 > >> > Parkside Hotel, 48-52 Clapham Common North Side, SW4 - Rate ?40 > >> > rooms 150 > >> > Travelodge, 200 York Road, SW11 - Rate ?69.95 > >> > rooms 87 > >> > Marbella Hotel, 29-33 Camberwell Church St. SE5 - Rate ?60 > >> > rooms 37 (though I have to admit this lass sounded so vague I'm not even > >> > sure she was aware it was a hotel she was working in!) > >> > Comfort Inn, 87 South Lambeth Road, SW8 - no reply > >> > Dudley Hotel, 80-81 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 > >> > rooms 10 > >> > Belvedere Hotel, 90 Clapham Common South Side, SW4 - Rate ?45 (though he > >> > could have been saying ?35 - I was having trouble with the accent) > >> > rooms - "many many" of all different sizes. This is the only place > >> > that was curious enough to ask who I was phoning on behalf of! > >> > London Castle Hotel Ltd., 86 Walworth Road, SE1 - Rate?35 > >> > rooms 30 > >> > London Park Hotel, Brook Drive, Elephant & Castle, SE11 - no reply > >> > > >> > The only hotel in the Brixton area is the Ebenezer Hotel Ltd, 90-92 > >> > Angel Road, Brixton, SW9. > >> > I didn't phone it because not everything listed as a Hotel in Yellow > >> > Pages is always intended for tourists and something called a "Hotel" > >> > may be functionally a doss house. I don't know if this is the case > >> > here but as it is the only hotel in Brixton I am a tad cautious about > >> > it. > >> > > >> > I have to say that Parkside Hotel, Clapham Common North Side sounds like > >> > probably the most reasonable of all (balancing room cost against room > >> > numbers) and might be worth investigating further. > >> > Are there any London folk who can offer opinions or who would be willing > >> > to spend a Saturday wandering around to check some of these places out? > >> > > >> > cheers > >> > jill > >> > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Jill Strobridge > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 14 18:59:32 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:59:32 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:17:10 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Doug Pearson writes: >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:10:02 +0100, bedroom trancer >> wrote: >> >glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell >> >> I certainly hope this is the case, since he's a far better keyboard player >> than Swindells, Bainbridge, Blake or Brock > ^^^^^ > >Stone the Blasphemer!! This is where the distinction between "keyboard" player and "synthesizer" player comes in. No one who has ever played KEYBOARDS with Hawkwind can touch Simon House's talent (Steve Swindells & Fred Reeves coming closest IMO), and no one who has ever played SYNTHESIZER with Hawkwind, except for Del Dettmar (and Brian Eno, if you count 'Captain Lockheed' as a "Hawkwind" album), comes close to Tim's talent. And while we're on the subject, the guy playing keyboards & synths with Gong on the current tour did a very good job of replicating Tim's synth parts, and was a pretty keyboard player too, although the keyboard parts he played made the band sound a bit too much like post-Dave Mason Traffic for my ears ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 14 20:45:34 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:45:34 EDT Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra Message-ID: I bought my Brixton tickets online through Ticketmaster.co.uk. and they came in days. Eli Friedman From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 14 23:20:38 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:50:38 +0930 Subject: Brixton Gig./ American HW fans Message-ID: Ok! One badge for Tom Clark ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Brixton Gig./ American HW fans Hey Dan!...I booked my flight today, and ordered the tickets to the show. I got a round-trip from New Orleans for $478.00 through Priceline.com. (Cheapest I have found to date.) Hope you can make it! In any case, I look forward to seeing the show and meeting list-members and raising a pint or two...or three..or.... Add me to the name badge list please! Regards, Tom Clark "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: Are there any U.S. Hawk fans going? I'm trying to coordinate things; it would be great to go with other HW fans. Talk about a trip! Dan Ductor Los Angeles HW fan -----Original Message----- From: Pospiech, Bernhard [SMTP:Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:39 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Meeting in pub before Brixton gig (List) Hi folks Here are so far the folks who will come to the BEEHIVE pub before the Brixton gig on 21.10.2000 Is the BEEHIVE ok ? And where exactely is this pub ? Very close to the Academy ? Near a TUBE station ? More infos from the LONDON folks please!!! 1) Andreas Stuewe 2) Gaby Stuewe 3) Rainer Wangler 4) Bernhard Pospiech 5) Andy Garibaldi 6) Ben Fagin 7) Eli Friedman 8) Kevin Sommers 9) Jon Jarret 10) Mike Holmes 11) Jill Strobridge 12) Michael Blackman 13) Merrick French 14) Julie French 15) Si ??? 16) Eric Siegerman 17) Nick ??? 18) Dave Greenhalgh 19) Mick ??? 20) Kevin Perry 21) John Stanton 22) Sara Stanton 23) Colm ??? 24) Matt ??? Someone forgotten ? I suppose the pub will be filled up with HAWKWIND fans. 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URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 14 23:23:55 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:53:55 +0930 Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra Message-ID: Im in Australia & ordered my tickets from these doods ticket master http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/index.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:44 AM Subject: HW: tickets for hawkestra > hey folks, > > For those of you in the states that are going to the concert, > how did you go about getting tickets? > > Thanks, > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Sep 15 03:09:56 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:09:56 +0200 Subject: OFF: Gong's current tour (was: HW: Hawkwind press release) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000914155932.009e4760@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hi, >And while we're on the subject, the guy playing keyboards & synths with >Gong on the current tour did a very good job of replicating Tim's synth >parts, and was a pretty keyboard player too, although the keyboard parts he >played made the band sound a bit too much like post-Dave Mason Traffic for >my ears ... That guy's Gwyo Zepix, formerly of Zorch, and he seems rather competent. How is the Gong tour going so far? I plan to go to two of the gigs on their forthcoming Euro-tour (the first is two days after Brixton so it will be a busy week for me ) so a little bit of info what to expect would be nice. thanks & (c)IAO D+R From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 03:39:28 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:39:28 EDT Subject: OFF: More Circle Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/00 1:39:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > P.S. Circle will be doing at least one show in LA, which might be the > Knitting Factory (didn't know they had one out there) on Oct. 5. Yeah, Gong just played there (no, I didn't go...shame on me??). Affiliated w/NY's KF, I'm told. Maybe it should be called Knitting Factory West? I should > know in a few days for sure. > Please report! Chuck From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 15 04:30:03 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:30:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000914155932.009e4760@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: > And while we're on the subject, the guy playing keyboards & synths with > Gong on the current tour did a very good job of replicating Tim's synth > parts, and was a pretty keyboard player too, although the keyboard parts he > played made the band sound a bit too much like post-Dave Mason Traffic for > my ears ... Gwyo Zepix (for such is the name under which he trades) is talented to the point where I don't understand. At Canterbury he was playing Tim's parts on one synth and a pseudo-saxophone line (because of there being no Bloomdido Bad de Grasse) on another, which he was modulating with a mouth controller. And it was all done extremely well. How he can concentrate on all three things and what's going round him as well I simply cannot understand - it seems impossible to me. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 15 04:46:03 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:46:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Blanga? In-Reply-To: <000b01c01a57$8b899360$5e07883e@jezd> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, J D wrote: > I've read the term "blanga" written by people when talking about HW, > on several occasions on the list. I'm not a great one for labels, but > I'd love to know what the "blanga" sound is. Can anyone please > describe it for me? If it defies description, then how about list a > few ultra "blanga" HW songs? Then when the word is next used, I'll no > longer picture a pink wobbly jelly-like blob in my mind's eye! Cheers, I think basically the album version of `You Shouldn't Do That' turned up loud enough to shake things is all the information you need. First time I tried this explanation on someone they told me they hadn't realised how onomatopoeic the word was :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 15 12:38:35 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:38:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Blanga?/Brixton Message-ID: >On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, J D wrote: > >> I've read the term "blanga" written by people when talking about HW, >> on several occasions on the list. I'm not a great one for labels, but >> I'd love to know what the "blanga" sound is. Can anyone please >> describe it for me? If it defies description, then how about list a >> few ultra "blanga" HW songs? Then when the word is next used, I'll no >> longer picture a pink wobbly jelly-like blob in my mind's eye! Cheers, > > I think basically the album version of `You Shouldn't Do That' >turned up loud enough to shake things is all the information you >need. I always think of "Born to Go" from Space Ritual as quintessential 'blanga.' And that's not just because the band Born To Go labels themselves (or at least accepts it as such) as blanga, but just because I think that song is the 'purest' form. Plus, you can 'Blan-ga...blan-ga...blan-ga...' up and down the Lemmy bassline quite easily. :) My only question...is it pronounced like 'tango' or 'Tonga'? I had always chosen the latter, but Marc P. uses the former. On Brixton... (On Donner and Vixen)... Over on the egroups Hawkwind list, Mike Burro seemed to make the suggestion that Stacia might be in Germany (or else I misunderstood him). Mike...can you tell us (+ Andy Gi.) more? Also, do you think the Hawkestra should start with everyone on stage for the first song, and then have the audience vote one member off the stage between each successive song, to end up with a sole Hawkwind survivor (note obligatory BOC linkage)? Then that person would do a solo performance of whatever he wished, and then be sent to Russia to be shot into space and spend some time writing and recording new tunes at Mir. (In a sane world, that would seem ridiculous, but you know it's not far from reality!) Grakkl (FAA) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 15 15:34:16 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:34:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:30:03 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: >> And while we're on the subject, the guy playing keyboards & synths with >> Gong on the current tour did a very good job ... > > Gwyo Zepix (for such is the name under which he trades) is >talented to the point where I don't understand. At Canterbury he was >playing Tim's parts on one synth and a pseudo-saxophone line (because of >there being no Bloomdido Bad de Grasse) on another, which he was >modulating with a mouth controller. And it was all done extremely >well. How he can concentrate on all three things and what's going round >him as well I simply cannot understand - it seems impossible to me. It's not impossible, since I've come close. As the lead singer and keyboard/synth player in Ad Hawk, I've done songs like "Assault & Battery" and "Ejection" with my right hand playing chords/melodies, my left hand turning knobs to make synth noises, and my foot controlling another synth with a CV (control voltage) pedal, all while singing. Hardly impossible, but certainly not easy! And, in all fairness, it must be stated that Gong songs are *definitely* more difficult than Hawkwind songs - I'd have trouble doing anything more than trying to keep up with Tim's parts during some of those jumping 6/8-rhythm songs. That's too bad that you had to see Gong without a sax player (even if Gwyo did a good job of covering); the guy they have with them on this tour (I don't recall his name) is very, very good. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Sep 15 15:49:19 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:49:19 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000915123416.0097dce0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hellom >That's too bad that you had to see Gong without a sax player (even if Gwyo >did a good job of covering); the guy they have with them on this tour (I >don't recall his name) is very, very good. Theo Travis. He also played on the "zero to infinity"-album (which is great btw). (c)IAO D+R From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 16:55:24 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:55:24 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 9/9/00 Message-ID: 9/9/00 (5-8pm) 1.Holy River Family Band--Fragrance of Flowers and Herbs (Haida Deities) 2.National Steam--Sorry, Earth's Not in the Itinerary (National Steam) Interspersed w/Quarspace interview: 3.Quarkspace--I Bet He's Looking for the Spaceman (Hidden Moon) 4. " --The Circle (Hidden Moon) 5. " --Sheep Farm (Spacefolds 6) 6. " --Air (Live Orion) 7.Yeti--Go Like This (Things to Come...) 8.Brainticket--To Another Universe (Celestial Ocean) 9.Spacious Mind--Dnimehts of Us (Cosmic Minds At Play) 10.System 7--Alpha Wave (Fire + Water) 11.Circle--Kuukaarme (Surface) 12.La Dusseldorf--La Dusselsorf (La Dusseldorf) 13.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Snake Dance (Out There) 14.Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Space Ritual) 15.Mushroom--Still Waiting (Hydrogen Jukebox) 16.Amon Duul 2--Archangels Thunderbird (Yeti) 17.Neutral Milk Hotel--Untitled Instrumental (In the Aeroplane Over the Sea) Thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Sep 15 17:05:41 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:05:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000915123416.0097dce0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: > > Gwyo Zepix (for such is the name under which he trades) is > >talented to the point where I don't understand. At Canterbury he was > >playing Tim's parts on one synth and a pseudo-saxophone line (because of > >there being no Bloomdido Bad de Grasse) on another, which he was > >modulating with a mouth controller. And it was all done extremely > >well. How he can concentrate on all three things and what's going round > >him as well I simply cannot understand - it seems impossible to me. > > It's not impossible, since I've come close. As the lead singer and > keyboard/synth player in Ad Hawk, I've done songs like "Assault & Battery" > and "Ejection" with my right hand playing chords/melodies, my left hand > turning knobs to make synth noises, and my foot controlling another synth > with a CV (control voltage) pedal, all while singing. Hardly impossible, > but certainly not easy! And, in all fairness, it must be stated that Gong > songs are *definitely* more difficult than Hawkwind songs - I'd have > trouble doing anything more than trying to keep up with Tim's parts during > some of those jumping 6/8-rhythm songs. Well, I don't understand how you do it either, OK :-) > That's too bad that you had to see Gong without a sax player (even if Gwyo > did a good job of covering); the guy they have with them on this tour (I > don't recall his name) is very, very good. Theo Travis, if it's him you mean, was there, but not on form. I've seen him with Porcupine Tree and he is pretty good, if not Didier - but at Canterbury he just didn't seem to be firing on all cylinders. The synth was louder than he was in the mix so that may have given me a false impression but he didn't seem to be there very much. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:10:15 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:10:15 -0500 Subject: HW: cheap flights to the hawkestra Message-ID: Well, even though I alreaady I have my tickets, I was checking out airfares for stuff, and noticed that there is a fare war going on here in the states. tickets from chicago to london for the hawkestra were listed at $310 from travelocity.com, so folks might want to check out prices, if you haven't gotten tickets yet. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Sep 16 01:38:18 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:08:18 +0930 Subject: Brixton || badges || accomadation Message-ID: Hi fellow Hawksouls In a couple of weeks I will post an email with a list of all the names that I have collected wanting a Name badge to give every one an opportunity to get one. I have the facilities to make these myself now (professionally) so late requests will be accepted up untill 15th of October. I fly out on the 17th october. I have been trying to contact motels without success so far. For example the Ebeneezer is out. and the one Filip mentioned recently have not been answering? Can any one help meh out here? Looking forward to meeting you all at the pub on the big day! Oh - just to change the subject slightly - is any one here going to the RED DWARF convention in November? Cheers Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From micci at SCI.FI Sat Sep 16 09:58:59 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:58:59 +0300 Subject: OFF: More Circle Message-ID: Hi! I bumped into Stephanie of Feldspar Records in >NYC, the label that (I learned) just re-released Circle's 1998 CD "Pori". This is really good news. Great album indeed. I really hope that they play like they play round here. Last time when I saw them, they played absolutely magnificent gig. One song was about 15 minut long, like brainstorm, very powerful. I had see them 3 times and they had never played song directly albums. Every time lot of jamming, but VERY professional. >So anyway, I learned that Circle is going to be playing live on Saturday >(9/16) afternoon on a (north) Chicago radio station and I was wondering if >anyone could manage to tape it for me. (Oh, by the way, that gig on >Saturday night at Fireside Bowl-Chicago is now off. The tour will start >officially on Sunday at the other place in Chicago.) The station is 89.5 FM >WNUR, and the show 'Airplay' runs from 4 to 7 PM (Central) Saturday. I >suppose they won't be on for the entire 3 hours...perhaps more than one band >play on this show each week, I dunno. In any case, I'm only concerned about >the Circle part. > >On the www.wnur.org/airplay website, it says that these things are webcast >live in RealAudio. But my computer is completely soundless and I have no >clue how these things work. And I guess RealAudio isn't really all that >hot, as far as sound quality goes, so I suppose I would prefer the ole >analog tape cassette. But I can't be picky. If there's noone in Chicago >that can do it for me, then I would be happy if someone could just tell me >how to 'save/download' the online version (It looks live only, so you have >to do it then, right?) and transfer it into something I could actually hear. > >(Karen, I'm guessing that you can't get this station, as it's probably only >on a weak transmitter.) > >Thanks for any help...anyone who can provide me a tape or any other hardcopy >version of this show will get something in return. > >Grakkl (FAA) > >P.S. Circle will be doing at least one show in LA, which might be the >Knitting Factory (didn't know they had one out there) on Oct. 5. I should >know in a few days for sure. > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Sep 16 12:53:19 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:53:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000913123555.009e7630@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: > wrote: > >glad to see simon house is down to play keyboards aswell > > I certainly hope this is the case, since he's a far better keyboard player > than Swindells, Bainbridge, Blake or Brock (I'm not putting those four > down, it's just that Simon truly is in a class of his own). It will be excellent to see Simon on keys again. Do we get a mellotron, do you reckon? :-) > >no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? > > He lives in Canada, which might pose some difficulty (but then again, Del > and Alan Powell also live on this side of the pond, and they're both on the > list). He's released two albums under the name "Pink Fairies" (just him & > Twink) over the last few years, too. Well, the last one was 1996. And that, pace Andy Garibaldi who seems to like it, is quite the worst album I own, so I'd say it's possible Mr. Rudolph has just lost it and has kind of left the music scene as performer over the last five years. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Sep 16 13:00:23 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:00:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup Message-ID: What software are you guys using to record old LPs to CD, and eliminate crackle/hiss? And what are the pros and cons of the software you've used? Thanks, Steve From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:34:51 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:34:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup In-Reply-To: <20000916130023.12887@cugc.org> Message-ID: Steve Swann wrote: => What software are you guys using to record old LPs to CD, and => eliminate crackle/hiss? And what are the pros and cons of the => software you've used? SoundForge. The thing is, most computer sound cards are total bunk for doing this sort of thing. For one, the noise inside a PC case is not conducive at all to a good transfer. So, if you're serious about sound quality, you'll want (nay *need*) to invest in an *external* ADC converter, and then get a decent PC card that does digital in *without* resampling. (There is a cheap card that does bit-for-bit digital in---Zoltrix Nightingale, ISTR, but I may be wrong.) As for eliminating crackle and hiss, there are plugins for SoundForge and CoolEdit that do this. My advice is to be wary of using it, if you don't want to annihilate the original recording. I tried "cleaning up" the _Atomhenge 76_ bootleg by Lone Wolf using CoolEdit, and even though I didn't use a lot of noise reduction, the result left the original robbed of noticeable ambience compared to the original (and that was aside from the audible noise reduction artifacts that were added!). I would be tempted to say forget crackle and noise reduction, if you are concerned about sound quality. Put a lot of effort into cleaning your LPs before digitising them, instead. :-) For any bad pops, you can remove them individually "by hand". That is much better than letting some algorithm have at it. _The Thing!_ that I sent to Brad for treeing on BOC-L is obviously a vinyl boot transferred to CD. You can hear the occasional click and pop all the way through. But is it a bad CD? No way! Cheers, Paul. NP: Pink Floyd, Oakland Coliseum, 9th May 1977 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sat Sep 16 15:00:35 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:00:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, >As for eliminating crackle and hiss, there are plugins for SoundForge >and CoolEdit that do this. My advice is to be wary of using it, if you >don't want to annihilate the original recording. I tried "cleaning up" >the _Atomhenge 76_ bootleg by Lone Wolf using CoolEdit, and even though >I didn't use a lot of noise reduction, the result left the original >robbed of noticeable ambience compared to the original Really? I use Cool Edit and never had any such problems. A while ago I cleaned up a live-tape from the ASAM-Tour. The results I got were really impressive compared to the original recording. I could reduce most of the tape-hiss and other annoying stuff without suffering too much loss. >(and that was aside from the audible noise reduction artifacts that were >added!). Added artifacts? I never encountered them before. What kind of artifacts? Do you have the demo-version of the CE audio-cleaning plugin? The demo-versions adds random bell-like sounds. >I would be tempted to say forget crackle and noise reduction, if you are >concerned about sound quality. Put a lot of effort into cleaning your >LPs before digitising them, instead. :-) For any bad pops, you can >remove them individually "by hand". That is much better than letting >some algorithm have at it. ACK. And a good record-player with a new needle (I hope it's called the same in English than in German) isn't bad either. (c)IAO D+R From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Sep 16 15:11:23 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:11:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup Message-ID: > The thing is, most computer sound cards are total bunk for doing this > sort of thing. For one, the noise inside a PC case is not conducive at > all to a good transfer. So, if you're serious about sound quality, > you'll want (nay *need*) to invest in an *external* ADC converter, and > then get a decent PC card that does digital in *without* resampling. > (There is a cheap card that does bit-for-bit digital in---Zoltrix > Nightingale, ISTR, but I may be wrong.) > > As for eliminating crackle and hiss, there are plugins for SoundForge There is a TON of info on this subject on the web, actually way more than we could ever provide you with in this forum. If you really want to know what you're doing I suggest you read some of the faqs and do a search at dejanews.com in the usenet department using keywords like "soundforge", "hiss removal", "lp", "best results", you get the idea. Transferring an lp is somewhat time consuming, and something you really only want to do once, best to do it right the first time. dan From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:12:39 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:12:39 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - "Invisibles" Message-ID: Hi folks, I've originally intended to put this essay on my website. I've kinda lost interest in the website, though, and I'm posting it here, in the vein of the old "Saga of Imaginos" by Bryce Baker, which is now part of the FAQ. 1. It's open for discussion 2. It's very large - 5000+ words, so I'm posting song by song. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" ---------------------------------------------- "The entire story has not been told yet and only time will tell if the story will end and the riddle begin." (Albert Bouchard, 1994) You should at all times bear in mind that this is MY PERSONAL OPINION. It's open for discussion. Also, I've been told, it's difficult to follow without looking at the lyrics at the same time, so go to the Fan club website quickly! 1. LES INVISIBLES ----------------- Beyond doubt, the first song of the Imaginos cycle is "Les Invisibles", and from its tone it is obvious that it was - lyrically - intended to be the curtain raiser. Musically, the curtain raiser was of course the Overture. The "world axis" is the 0th meridian. On it lays the city of London, and in it is "the Empress", Elizabeth I. The remainder of the first two verses plus the chorus (the lines "Seven sleepers" to "Samedi and Petre, in Alchemy") is all about occult stuff, pagan rituals etc.; topics such as these were rather popular all over western Europe at the time - cf. Shakespeare's "Midsummer night's dream" (Shakespeare was a contemporary of Elizabeth I). As for the 3rd verse, the "Four Quarters" probably means the four 'elements' (Earth, Air - or Wind-, Fire, Water), a concept present in (and essential for) many occult rituals. "Twinned in the mirror" could mean two things: a) that the events foreseen by Dee &co. in the mirror actually started happening in the 'real world', or b) that they were the agents of this - what they learned from looking into the mirror, they put into practice: so, the actual events could later be said to have been 'twinned in the mirror'. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:13:10 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:13:10 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - WoTT Message-ID: 2. WORKSHOP OF THE TELESCOPES ----------------------------- Closely connected with "Invisibles" is the song "Workshop of the telescopes". It takes place in the same timeline, and recounts an (imaginary) conversation between John Dee and Francis Drake. In the course of the conversation, each man realizes the other's significance, and how each could benefit from their cooperation - in other words; WoTT is 'the beginning of a beautiful friendship'. First, Dee brags about his influence on the Queen (imperatrix = Latin for 'empress'), and his magical mirror (he refers to the mirror metaphorically, calling it a "telescope"). In the controversial 3rd line ("by salamander drake and the power that was undine"), he explicitly addresses Drake, so the line should be interpreted thus: "By Salamander, Drake, and the power that was undine", (where "undine" might also be capitalized), "Salamander" being thus in no way connected with the name Drake. It has been widely noted that the first verse, if not the entire song, sounds very much like an incantation. In view of that, it is possible that Dee is reciting to Drake an incantation he made up. Therefore, the 3rd line could also go like this: " 'By Salamander', Drake, 'and the power that was undine' ", (again, "undine" might be capitalized), Making the difference between 'salamander' and 'Drake' more obvious. After this, Drake replies ("Your green tree mantle . . . "), but this entire verse might simply mean that the "doctor" (Kelly, who was a physician) is a mutual acquaintance of the two, and possibly his wife as well. Drake continues: "When my vision was oh, so cloudy, and I saw things through two eyes", - what he's saying is: "I use using my normal sight, hearing, and reason, as opposed to you, who use 'magical' stuff, such as your 'telescope'. I don't understand much of what's going on, but I can still put two and two together ("I know a thing or two"). In other words, I am also a factor. Help me, and I'll help you (says Drake). "I am a sailor on the raging depths . . ." - as has been said, Drake was a pirate who raided gold-laden ships returning from the New World. The ships were almost all Spanish, so this policy coincided with the foreign policy of the British Empire. This was what prompted Dee to enlist Drake into the service of the Empire, instead of letting him conduct his business 'freelance'. Britannica says on Dee: "Besides practicing astrology and horoscopy in the court of Elizabeth I, whose favour he enjoyed, he also gave instruction and advice to pilots and navigators who were exploring the New World". "Back to the corner mates and over the side" - a clue on where Drake's haunts are, and (implicitly) what his business there is. The sentence "Out beyond the Europe's rim" from the liner notes corresponds to this line. The change of "They'll know me . . . " to "You'll know me . . ." in the last line implies that Dee has 'accepted' Drake, and that their cooperation will now begin. The "great conversion" is the change that took place in Drake at this meeting - before, he was a common pirate, but now, he's learned (presumably) so much hidden (occult etc.) knowledge from Dee, and his power has grown immensely after his "visit to the Workshop of Telescopes". Finally, "When the ridge was closed" is almost certainly unrelated and unimportant, meaning (perhaps) simply that the 'visit' took place in wintertime, when ridges were usually closed (for traffic). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:13:45 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:13:45 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, *part 1 * - WoTT Message-ID: of course that was "Part 2 - WoTT" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:14:21 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:14:21 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 3 - Imaginos Message-ID: 3. IMAGINOS ----------- We are left completely in the dark as to how this entire 16th century episode ties in with the main Imaginos theme. It is possible that the two previously discussed songs were felt to be necessary, to explain the historical (story-internal, not actual history) background of the main story. Other than that, nothing has been said to deny the statement that the early England/Spain conflict was not in fact a 'retaliatory strike' of Les Invisibles, a short-term scheme while they were working on a larger, centuries-spanning plan. (Cough) Imaginos. The first lines could be taken to say that he was either born (and had so 'approached the sun', being incarnated), or he came to Earth in a spaceship (I know, I know - everyone seems to insist on this one!). Slightly more metaphorically, it can be taken to mean that he entered the story, that his own story (or "saga") began at that time. "Singing song nobody knew" is the first reference to Imaginos' songs. As can be seen from their frequent mentioning throughout the cycle, the songs he wrote were of utmost importance for Imaginos privately - because they were the devices he used to put down his supernatural inferences (his Imaginoses?!) The last part of the song is probably Imaginos' own, seemingly chaotic, vision of his future - it has been said that his foresight was limited (as can be seen from "Blue ?yster Cult"). The next song, without a doubt, is "Del Rio's song". _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:14:48 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:14:48 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 4 - Del Rio's Message-ID: 4. DEL RIO'S SONG ----------------- In this period of Imaginos' life, the significance of his songs to himself culminated, which is why this song was named this way. "I've lived upon the edge of chance" - this is the clue for the FAQ statement that Imaginos deemed himself 'an adventurer' at this time. "When time gets slow, and rivers freeze" is very reminiscent of the WoTT part about the closed ridge, as both lines seem to have a 'wintery' connotation. Note that it is not said at which time of the year his "boat left New Orleans". We can be fairly certain it was in winter. "I think you'd know enough / to call in touch that outer frame" - probably spoken to himself, to reassure himself in a moment of doubt (or "quandry") along the journey. "To call in touch that outer frame": to step outside the normal flow of time, to get in touch with another dimension (another plane of reality). He was fascinated with this, but the experience also somewhat frightened him ("the sight whose imagery is sometimes that of fear"), probably because he didn't understand much of what was going on. "A sullen gulch / which opens up on the way to Blindman's Bluff" - probably meaning that, along the journey, he noticed a piece of landscape reminding him, metaphorically, of his mental effort in "calling in touch that outer frame" - i.e., an actual gulch corresponding to his mental 'gulch', which he tries to describe as best he can in his song. The "river roads" are probably somehow connected with the actual city called Del Rio, in Texas. We know he's been in Texas ("I'm Buzzardo in Texas"), and this is probably not a coincidence. Britannica has the following on Del Rio (the city): "... Remnants of an old canal system, which carried water from the prolific San Felipe Springs, survive." So, I don't know, maybe he went sailing in these canals, maybe he would just go for walks there, to "call in touch that outer frame" "To shut the gates of walled town walls . . . " - he may have seen a scene such as this (town walls) at a fort in Texas. Now he's thinking that it also reminds him, again metaphorically, of his recovery from the (mentally exhausting) other -dimensional efforts - the 'recovery' is referred to in the line "forget the way to Blindman's Bluff", implying that now that the 'session' is over, he wants to get his mind off all other - worldly matters; he's in for some r'n'r with "some good rum punch". By the way, New Orleans was in 1829, and is now, a good place to enjoy rum punch . . . The spoken section. "My destination is a secret" - a mystery, most likely, to himself as well, as he's probably learned "in 20 years or more" to trust rather to his intuition (his Imaginos, his "perfect sight") than to planning ahead, common sense etc. The "true ghost dance / rehearsal ground" is obviously that same place where he, years later, found the Magna of Illusion. The "ant-track" reference clearly points to its location, somewhere in the jungles of the Lowlands of Yucatan, in the ancient Maya land. The Maya never discovered the wheel, so they transported cargo in carts with skis and similar devices, which would leave trails in the ground similar to (of course larger than) ant-tracks. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:15:15 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:15:15 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 5 - BOC Message-ID: 5. BLUE ?YSTER CULT ------------------- The next song, without a doubt, is "Blue ?yster Cult", which contains the story of the end of Imaginos' first expedition to Yucatan. As we all know, the journey ends in a shipwreck, and his friends abandon him on the beach "where oyster beds seem plush as down". It's curious that there's no further mention of his 'friends', although there is one earlier, in "Del Rio's song" - in the line "and this is what MY FRIENDS all mean". Unlike its predecessor, "Blue ?yster Cult" is very explicit, very explanatory. The reason for this sudden 'eloquence', or directness, is that events described in this song were the (first) turning point of his career. The sudden revelation of Les Invisibles probably remained fixed in his memory, a 'main event' of his life, when he found so much more about who he was and what his role in the world was. However, as will be seen later, he was still far from knowing 'everything'. Looking from the top, we have: the genocide of the Native Americans ("holocaust"), the 'sorrow', or frustration, of Les Invisibles ("the tears of God flow"), the actual members of the 'Blue Oyster Cult' and their communication with Imaginos explained in great detail (the lines "we understand ... but fear is real" refers to his fear of the supernaturality of it all), explicit references to his drowning ("Imaginos! Below this bay..."), and resurrection ("...and besides"). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:15:43 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:15:43 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 6 - the order of the remaining songs Message-ID: 6. THE ORDER OF THE REMAINING SONGS ----------------------------------- In the FAQ, in the listing substantiated by Albert Bouchard, the song following "Blue ?yster Cult" is "Astronomy". However, I believe that the actual order of the songs is as follows - supposing that there is an 'actual' one to begin with: 1. Les Invisibles 2. Imaginos 3. Del Rio's song 4. Blue ?yster Cult 5. I am the one... 6. Astronomy 7. In the presence... 8. Siege and investiture... 9. Magna of illusion There are also other songs not present on the published "Imaginos", such as "The girl that love made blind" (which I haven't even heard yet), and others still not even intended to be put on it, such as WoTT. The exact 'place' of these songs is probably undeterminable (at least now and by me), but it's fairly certain that WoTT at least 'belongs' between "Invisibles" and "Imaginos". Some evidence can be found in the lyrics, as will be seen, that supports this order. "I am the one...." begins with the line "Fresh from zones of moisture". Clearly this means, "right after my drowning (and resurrection)", implying that this song takes place right after "Blue ?yster Cult". There are also other clues, which will be seen later on, so just keep on reading... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:16:07 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:16:07 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 7 - The One Message-ID: 7. I AM THE ONE YOU WARNED ME OF -------------------------------- As has been suggested (in the FAQ and elsewhere), this song and the two songs that follow ("Astronomy" and "In the presence...") are anecdotal in structure, lacking a coherent 'story'. "The One" is entirely devoted to Imaginos' songs. In the first verse, there are two clues that this, in fact, is the song that should follow "Blue ?yster Cult". The first line has already been discussed. Now look at the fourth line: "And songs to haunt the one that's saved". The presence of the word "songs" clearly indicates that Imaginos is "the one that's saved", which then clearly means, "saved from drowning". Such a reference to himself would be extremely unlikely if this song ("The One") belonged to a later stage of his life, in particular if it took place AFTER realizing he isn't in fact human, but 'descended from the stars'. Whereas, after this inference - after realizing he is 'descended from the stars' (which takes place in "Astronomy"), we have the song "In the presence of another world", with frequent occurrences of "another world", "space", "stars", even "milky way" (and he don't mean the chocolate!) - clearly (and understandably) his life has taken a completely new turn after "Astronomy". In such a setting, the reference to himself as being "saved" (from drowning) would clearly be an anachronism. It's true that 'star-words' are present in "The One" as well (e.g., "Notation from the stars", "starry wisdom"), but this can be expected, since he's just realized there's a connection between himself and Les Invisibles, although the nature of the connection is as yet unclear to him. Also, in the second verse (beginning with "Just call me Desdinova"), there is so much talk about the "starry wisdom", it's clear that: (1) this is something new and exciting to him, and (2) he does not yet possess the knowledge that would take the excitement away - the knowledge that he, beyond all doubt, got in "Astronomy", as will be shown later. The line "I'll sit myself behind that clock, and play tunes on its belfry" is to me perhaps the single most remarkable line in the entire cycle. It is a reference to his 'premonitions' of the future: he 'sees', across the ocean and across 50 years, his future house in England, in Cornwall (I'll explain all this later, I promise, just keep reading...). Finally in the last verse (beginning with "Five fingers have I..."), there is an elaborated, symbol-laden, description of the process of his songwriting. We learn (that he feels) that the songs are intricate and take up all the skill he's got to write (and perform?) - this is shown in the line "Five fingers have I, to play them like ten" - but nonetheless, they are slightly repetitive ("... to play them again"). Then, he asserts that the music amplifies the inherent power of the lyrics ("decimal chains" - meaning metrical verses - "whose mimic cry / whose notes will never, never fly"; obviously it takes the music to 'make them fly'). The final lines provide additional insight into the lyrics: "Until they quit those timely tunes / and enter that system from outside". What is meant here is that 'they' (the [lyrics of] the songs) can never achieve their goal, or reach fulfillment, while they remain conventional ("timely", or 'within the system') - - so that, in an extremely exaggerated, pretentious and corny way, you could say that these lines sublime the entire B?C 'philosophy', the concept of the 'career of evil' - speaking strictly metaphorically, of course. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:16:37 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:16:37 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 8 - the song order, again Message-ID: 8. THE ORDER OF THE REMAINING SONGS (2) --------------------------------------- That didn't put you off? Great! The order of the remaining songs has, I believe, been established. Just to refresh your memory, we have: 6. Astronomy, 7. In the presence... , 8. The siege & investiture... , and 9. Magna of illusion. However, in "Astronomy", an important change takes place as Imaginos realizes he is "descended from the stars". He becomes aware of his supernatural powers, most notably his ability to move forward and backward through time - which enables him to "place himself on vital junction points in history", if I remember the quote correctly. All songs (except Magna, but that's not the issue now) are told from HIS point of view. Since he is 'jumping through time', the sixth and seventh song in the cycle, for example, don't necessarily happen BEFORE (in 'our', historical time) the eighth and ninth song. The nasty thing is that this enormous change, this 'inference' which started it all, happened during "Astronomy", not before it and not after it, and I am not 100% certain where to draw the line. From the line "I'm sure to be the lucky one" (which of course happens before "the inference", it is clear that he did not deem himself above or beyond an ordinary human life, together with good luck and bad luck, despite his mysterious connection with Les Invisibles. The nature of this connection was probably unclear to him at the time. Pictorially, you could say that he thought it was a relationship of a deity and its worshipper (or even priest), as opposed to direct descendant! Anyway, that is why some songs aren't chronologically in tune with others. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:17:02 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:17:02 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie Message-ID: 9. SUSIE -------- In the past, I misinterpreted the relationship between the first person from "Astronomy" and Susie. I thought that his granddaughter and the Susie from "Astronomy" are the same person. Because of "time-travel", this is impossible. However, their parts in the story - Susie's in "Astronomy" and his granddaughter's in "Magna" - seem repetitive. Both act as a "deus ex machina" for Imaginos: here, he only finds out the full truth about himself as he accompanies Susie on her quest for self-fulfillment. She is challenged by Evil, and he realizes that it is his "fate" to present to mankind that same challenge. In "Magna", he brings the device with which to achieve this goal from Mexico (=nowhere, as has been said), but brings it as a birthday present for his granddaughter, and plants it on her family's attic. The "deus ex machina" thing fits in here in that it was the event of her birthday and the necessity for a present that prompted him to make the journey to Mexico. It is easy to suppose the two were actually one. However, another point I considered is this. In a "Morning Final" article, Susie is described (and in the FAQ reported) as being "very experimental and sexually aware" in "Astronomy", *** as well as in "Dominance and Submission" ***. The latter song is of course unrelated to the Imaginos theme, yet it's the same Susie! My explanation is that it was the real-life Susie's (the one described in D&S) resemblance to the character from the Imaginos story that prompted Sandy Pearlman to name the character Susie. Now, it's easy to project this into the story: with his "foresight", the Captain (Imaginos) sees the role of his granddaughter is very similar to that played in the past by Susie. He suggests they name her Susie. And now we come to the unclear point in "Astronomy", as you'll see in a moment. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:17:32 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:17:32 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 10 - Astronomy Message-ID: 10. ASTRONOMY ------------- The "four winds" have been bugging me ever since I first heard this song, on "Live 1976". It is a metaphor taken directly from the Apocalypse, where it's said somewhere (I don't have the text handy) that angels stood on the four corners of the Earth and held back the Four (Earthly) Winds . . . and there was a big party down on Earth. Therefore: "Reason tends to fly away / like lesser birds on the Four Winds" means that Imaginos is losing his initial goals (or even orders) to distractions in view of 'petty', private ends. I am not certain about the exact meaning of this. It is a possibility that it's used in the story as a "human factor" clich? - basically, he *almost* fails in his big task because he stops along the way to run some private errands. If so, it would be an untypical shortcoming of the story. It does occur later in "Astronomy", as well as in later songs (just keep reading...), so it probably does have some significance. As I said, the "Astronomy" Susie is "experimental". This is what's meant by "And you'll want to know where winds come from". The 'winds' are again a metaphor, here used in a wider sense, of everything unconventional and basically unknown. This is elaborated a little bit in the lines "... it's never said at all / on the map that Carrie reads" - what's not on the map is 'uncharted', beyond laws, customs, the known (mundane) world. A beach is also mentioned ("... just out there upon THE BEACH"), which is a clue that this is happening in Cornwall, a peninsula in the southwest of Great Britain. An additional clue for this is the line now the sands become a crust". As for "behind the clock", there is here something that I'm not sure about. The clock itself is mentioned 3 times in "Astronomy", once in the line "behind the clock". In "The One", there is a line "behind that clock", with further mention of the clock's belfry. The kind of clock that has a pendulum (a "belfry") is called (pause for effect...) a GRANDFATHER clock. This is the unclear point. Which Susie are we talking about, then: the original one, or his granddaughter? If it's the first one, than the whole story of the clock serves as an additional link to the later one, and "Magna". Again, they CAN NOT be one and the same, because she (the single Susie) would have to travel through time as well. Or is there a way around this time-travel obstacle - i.e. am I wrong somewhere? I don't think so. I don't know. As for the clock, it is a stereotype ingredient of a Gothic mansion, such as the one shown on the album cover (disregarding the San Francisco hotel thing), beside the ghost of poltergeist. It is easy to imagine that, much like the rest of the mansion's ancient furniture, the clock is never moved from the place it stands. Like a stone that can never be lifted, it cloaks _behind it_ (remember?) untold mysteries - or so it would seem to Susie, aged (I would say) between 7 and 15. The area behind the clock thus becomes for her a metaphor of everything hidden, unknown, and unconventional: the "secret doctrine". The same situation is with the local bar (pub, whatever), which we must presume existed. In a rural, religious setting of a 19th century Cornwall village, namely (not yet "lost") Christabel, the bar would be subject to regular and extensive flames from the local preacher or priest and similar authorities, possibly those within the family. Again, it is easy to imagine that it would be to Susie a place equally appealing and unreachable: all this contributes to the word "bar" becoming a symbol (again, within Susie's mind) similar to the area "behind the clock". "Four doors at the Four Winds Bar / two doors locked and windows barred / one door's let to take you in / the other one just mirrors it": she grows up. She discovers the secrets both in the world around and inside her. The single most important discovery (described here) is that it is a one-way process. Once you discover something, it stops being a secret. The "nexus of the crisis" may also come from the Bible, I don't know. Anyway, in comes "he", like a savior, showing himself as he really is, which surprises Susie (and Carrie, whoever she is; the surprise is shown in the lines "These gravely digs of mine / will surely prove a sight"). He has the power to predict events and so he makes the perfectly timed appearance to witness the dramatic change that takes place inside Susie. This can also be interpreted to mean that he was 'there for' Susie while she was experiencing all this over a longer period of time, but such an interpretation sounds unlikely in view of the Four Winds Bar verse. However, he's in over his head. There is also a discovery of his own in it, the discovery (inference) that he is "descended from the stars". This is such an overwhelming notion for him that the next song ("In the presence...") is completely about it, and its implications. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:17:57 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:17:57 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 11 - Presence Message-ID: 11. IN THE PRESENCE OF ANOTHER WORLD ------------------------------------ It seems there isn't much that needs explaining here. "Born of a yolkless egg" probably refers to him being "hatched from a spaceship". I have no idea what "The double peaks of Mars" refers to. I hope it's not something important. "And when the stars are right / he locks the door etc.", probably to perform some kind of rite-associated experiments. Remember "Flaming Telepaths", in particular "experiments that failed too many times / transformations that were too hard to find"? Taken together with "the curse of life eternal", obviously he is somehow experimenting with death, immortality - things like that. Perhaps, now that he's become fully aware of just who he is, he's afraid of dying, or wants to postpone it as much as possible? See next song. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:18:29 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:18:29 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 12 - Frankenstein Message-ID: 12. THE SIEGE AND INVESTITURE OF BARON VON FRANKENSTEIN'S CASTLE AT WEISSERIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Cul-de-sac" means (in French) a situation with no way out. "Patients are dying": I have no idea why it's 'patients' that are dying, but one thing is clear - the Baron (which is Imaginos) has invented a 'cure' for death (or it seems so to the 'patients'. "Carpe diem", if someone doesn't know, means, in Latin, "seize the day". Metaphorically, it means that you should use your time on Earth as best you can, since you won't be around forever. In the song the meaning is stretched: if you take the 'cure', you'll be immortal. You'll have infinite possibilities - or, "you'll be inventor". _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 15:18:56 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:18:56 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 13 - Magna Message-ID: 13. MAGNA OF ILLUSION --------------------- (Lost) Christabel must refer a village somewhere on the Cornish coast (i.e., the coast of Cornwall). It collapsed into the sea (ocean) some time between August 1892 and 1893. It was not uncommon at the time for the sea to eat up land, and, because of incompetence and poor handling of the problem, whole seaside villages might simply disappear in a matter of weeks, or even days. This was often used in political malversations - counting votes that didn't exist (which indeed has nothing to do with the issue here, but it's interesting). The lighthouse 'tilts', since it's near to falling into the sea. A 'squat' lighthouse means one which does not have a tower, but is built on a strand (cape) which reaches deep into the sea, or is near some cliffs or other dangerous waters to sail in. 'Our' lighthouse was probably either one half of the mansion (the other half being the Captain's home), or simply near the mansion, I'm not sure. The scroll and the prophecy mentioned obviously refer to the end of the trilogy, not only the first part of it, which we have our hands on, and so it can't really be (completely) explained (yet), at least not by me. The "glidepath to the sun" is, as I've been told, some complicated Celtic belief about the path of souls after death, or something - anyway, in the song it's probably just a metaphor for death, or disappearance. Btw, it's also mentioned (in case you haven't noticed) in "ME 262" - the line "so watch me in mirrors, keep me on the glidepath". I'll return to this part of the song later, for reasons that will be seen a few paragraphs down. "Late to the story that had been": July 31, 1893. The Captain returns from Mexico to England and finds the village of Christabel, together with his home, has disappeared. Obviously he's "late to he story" of its disappearance. He times his arrival perfectly, for his granddaughter's birthday party. It's not impossible that their birthdays were on the same date, August 1 - remember, "Imaginos / approached the sun / _in August_"? This would add more importance to the party, as it would also be his own. Exactly a year before that (8/1/1892), he 'broke the party' by leaving for Mexico. In the conversation, he mentions "he's come a long way / from Lost Christabel this night"; obviously they've moved after Christabel was "lost". Then, we come to the point I've mentioned earlier, how the role of the granddaughter (which I proposed was named Susie) is similar to that of Susie in "Astronomy". By the way, since I've translated "Carpe diem", I might as well explain "deus ex machina". Literally, it means (in Latin) "god from the machine". It can mean that the problem solves itself, sometimes; here, in both cases, it means that Susie and his granddaughter were the agents of Imaginos' acts and resolutions. They acted as "deus ex machina's" for him. The last verse is pretty much self-explanatory, and I presume it's the Captain thinking out loud, in front of his granddaughter. He's speaking as if to ease his mind, now that he's understood all the implications of his life's work. Finally, the part I skipped. Its importance is central to the whole story, revolving around the phrase "magna of illusion", something that no one has noticed so far, to the best of my knowledge. There are two points to consider here: (1) "And when the sun proved false / as it always does / some of them would be lost / and some would sail back home / it was no star / but a magna of illusion" (2) "... rockers will dwell on doom ... what seems to be is not" I quote myself from "Imaginos", speaking of the lines "approached the sun" etc.: "Slightly more metaphorically, it can be taken to mean that he entered the story, that his own story (or "saga") began at that time". In (1), "the sun" could again mean "the entire story, 'saga', of Imaginos". It proves false. "It was no star, but a magna of illusion". The high point of the story is the magna (=culmination) of illusion? The "illusion" can then only stand for the entire story! "What seems to be is not": the story is fake, it is an illusion. We, the BOC fans enchanted with "Imaginos", are the "rockers" (literally!) who "dwell on doom", "the doom" (of Europe) brought about by Imaginos. The whole thing is one big joke. "Is it any wonder that my joke's an iron And the joke's on you" Well, not just *you*, all of us. Sorry. Well, "the party's over, it's all over". Cheers, Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Sep 16 15:23:57 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:23:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000916204625.00b3d840@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: => Really? => I use Cool Edit and never had any such problems. A while ago I cleaned up a => live-tape from the ASAM-Tour. The results I got were really impressive => compared to the original recording. I could reduce most of the tape-hiss => and other annoying stuff without suffering too much loss. "Too much loss:" aye, there's the rub. It's all relative. What sounds good to you might not sound good to me. I have been told I am too picky in this regard, and that my ears are too discerning for their own good. I can hear diginoise from 20 paces. ;-) Given that Steve was unhappy with the Sonic Solutions "noise reduction" of the EMI Remasters, I just *know* he'll be fidgety with the noise reduction plugins for CoolEdit et al (unless he has been replaced by an alien impostor since last we saw him)... ;-) => >(and that was aside from the audible noise reduction artifacts that were => >added!). => => Added artifacts? I never encountered them before. What kind of artifacts? => Do you have the demo-version of the CE audio-cleaning plugin? The => demo-versions adds random bell-like sounds. No, it wasn't the "buy me" sounds added on purpose. ;-) I gave away my "processed" version of _Atomhenge 76_, so I can't really remember it to describe it. But, it is described in the help file for CoolEdit96, which was the version I used. And, it was very minor, but, like I said, I know Steve can be quite picky, so I thought I should mention it. I'm not saying the result was awful. Not by any means. If you'd never heard the original, you'd say my "processed" version was great. But, if you *had* heard the original, you'd probably be wishing for a happy medium between the two. *That* is the hard thing to achieve, IMHO. Part of the problem is the original source material wasn't so hot. (I was cleaning up an existing bootleg CD.) It's better to get a good transfer in the first place (good levels, for one!), and then tinker with that, than try to resurrect a lost cause. :-) => And a good record-player with a new needle (I hope it's called the same in => English than in German) isn't bad either. Or, at the very least, clean your existing stylus (needle). (I had "sonic attack" cleaner at one time.:) Invest in a carbon-fibre cleaning brush for your LPs. Use plastic inner sleeves instead of paper ones. Be true to your LPs and they'll be true to you... :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: CSNY, MCI Centre, Washington, DC, 6th April, 2000 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From swann at CUGC.ORG Sat Sep 16 15:59:24 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:59:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Mather on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 03:23:57PM -0400 Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 03:23:57PM -0400, Paul Mather wrote: > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > => Really? > => I use Cool Edit and never had any such problems. A while ago I cleaned up a > => live-tape from the ASAM-Tour. The results I got were really impressive > => compared to the original recording. I could reduce most of the tape-hiss > => and other annoying stuff without suffering too much loss. > > "Too much loss:" aye, there's the rub. It's all relative. What sounds > good to you might not sound good to me. I have been told I am too picky > in this regard, and that my ears are too discerning for their own good. > I can hear diginoise from 20 paces. ;-) > > Given that Steve was unhappy with the Sonic Solutions "noise reduction" > of the EMI Remasters, I just *know* he'll be fidgety with the noise > reduction plugins for CoolEdit et al (unless he has been replaced by an > alien impostor since last we saw him)... ;-) You remembered that, huh? ;-) Yeah, I'm one picky bastard sometimes. In this case, though, I'm looking for a quick fix, not to truly satisfy my audiophile nature. As you already noted, I'm planning on doing this using my soundcard (a Soundblaster Live) as my D/A converter - by which you can tell that I'm not really serious about this process. ;-) I mean (ignoring for now how bad the PC electrical environment is) if I was going to try to do this halfways right, I'd have to at least invest in a Turtle Beach card. But I just want this for convenience' sake: much as I love my vinyl, it is a pain in the ass to properly prep a record in a place as dusty as my living room. And it's not all that portable, either. ;-) By the way, in the way of amazing coincidences, I just gave the Space Ritual EMI remaster another listen just a couple of days ago, and did another head to head comparison between it and the One Way release. The EMI came out sounding a little better than I had remembered. It's still tough to do a proper comparison, because I don't have the equipment with which to do real-time A/B switching between them. But my overall impression this time (and it was done in a kinder listening environment than the last time I attempted this), was that the EMI release is much more detailed throughout the whole audio range (but especially in the highs) and also much more extended in the very deep bass. I'm not sure that I *like* it better - it sounds a little harsh to ears that used to hearing the sort of murky sound of the One Way. And frankly, I think the One Way sounds more like the vinyl, for what that's worth. I guess most reasonable people, which I am not, would conclude that the EMI release probably sounds more like what it was to actually be at the show, and that should be the end of the matter. But I've grown used to the "rumble" of Space Ritual as originally released, and suddenly hearing instruments cutting clearly through the murk just sounds altogether different, and therefore somehow wrong to me. Maybe I'll grow to like it in time, and someday I'll wonder why the hell I clung to the old "murky" mix. Or maybe not. :) Anyway, thanks for the music software pointers! Steve From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 16:50:29 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:50:29 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, final notes Message-ID: I don'd know about the rest of you folks, but in my Inbox, the order is screwed up. I don't know why, I posted them OK... they're all there, though. If someone wants the entire file mailed to them, just say so. Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Sep 16 18:17:49 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:17:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Trivia Question Message-ID: Hi, Just thought that the following might make an interesting trivia question: Which song did Bob dedicate to "Jimi Hendrix, James Dean, Eddie Cochran & now Marc Bolan" ? Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Sep 16 23:21:39 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:21:39 -0400 Subject: BOC:Imaginos liner notes Message-ID: Neat stuff, Johnny. Did Pearlamn write all of the liner narrative that was on the LP sleeve for Imaginos? or did someone else? Decisions, decisions: Wayne Kramer _The Hard Stuff_ or MC5 _Babes in Arms_ on the stereo? Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 16 23:27:55 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:27:55 GMT Subject: BOC:Imaginos liner notes Message-ID: >Did Pearlamn write all of the liner narrative that was on the LP sleeve >for Imaginos? or did someone else? Hmm. I don't really know, but I don't see why someone else should do it, y'know? A long time ago I asked Albert (remember that Albert?) if he could back up some of my starting ponit interpretations. He said that I was right about everything, but that he couldn't be 100% sure, because he didn't write those songs. Well, if even he couldn't be 100% sure, then who except Pearlman could have written the liner??? Johnny it's 11:30 pm on a saturday night. i'm a college student. i am not only sober, but checking my e-mail! what is this world coming to??? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Sep 17 10:59:47 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:59:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Concert Recording Message-ID: Anyone know if any rules are being imposed regarding recording of the Hawkestra event? Though I do not plan on recording the entire show (don't have the patience for that! or enough room in my pockets for batteries), I got one of those newfangled digital camcorders that does about 10 frames a minute (not exactly full motion video quality) , and would like to record perhaps a couple of songs for posterity (not prosperity) sake. Mr. Brock, are you out there? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 16 13:18:30 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:18:30 +0100 Subject: Re; Concert News (Euro-rock) Message-ID: Thought some of you might want to know about this event in Old London town. Andy Garibaldi. Music for the 3rd Millennium The UK's only major electronic music event for the year 2000 takes place in London on Saturday October 14th. from Germany; MICHAEL ROTHER (Neu!) & DIETER MOEBIUS (Cluster) from the UK; WHITE NOISE (David Vorhaus) with guest THE ORB's Alex Paterson (new album launch concert) from Holland; WAVE WORLD plus computer graphic show from Mexico; ALQUIMIA plus special guest from France; CYRILLE VERDEAUX's CLEARLIGHT plus from Germany; DJ STEVE BALTES (Ash Ra Tempel) Location; The Union Chapel Project, Islington, London Underground Station (100m); Highbury & Islington (Victoria line) Tickets ?15.00 (fifteen UK pounds) The Union Chapel is a spectacular Victorian Gothic church converted for concerts, located next to an underground station directly accessible from all stations and airports. As well as live performances, the festival will have the usual wide variety of CD's on sale. Credit card orders (Visa/MasterCard) and further information; E-Mail; 3rdmillennium at beeb.net Website; http://3rdmillennium.members.beeb.net Ordering by phone, fax and mail also available The appearance of Michael Rother & Dieter Moebius is kindly supported by The Goethe Institute Event assisted by London Alternative Music Project -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 17 13:03:43 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:03:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - WoTT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > 2. WORKSHOP OF THE TELESCOPES I like this interpretation, but I've always seen this as a much later song in the cycle. It seems to me that the character singing is Imaginos in his Del Rio character, and the song deals with how his eyes were opened by Les Invisibles. And isn't Haiti referred to as the world's axis in the _Imaginos_ sleeve notes? Somewhere I believe there is (it's probably in the FAQ, it always is when I can't be bothered to go and look :-) a list of the full Imaginos cycle in the correct order. Is WoTT so close to the beginning? Just curious; your theory is much better thought out than mine, but I somehow feel that Elizabeth and Drake have very little to do with the cycle - both are only implied by John Dee on the original album and he is, it seems to me, only mentioned to give `pedigree' to the use of the black jade mirror. Convince me :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Sep 17 13:23:10 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:23:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Similarly, I have a few problems with this one. For a start, I _do_ think D&S is part of the cycle - but my thinking behind it involves an assumption radically different to yours, viz that Imaginos is a single time-travelling character. It's my impression rather that he is multiple characters, born many times to play many roles. The crucial and first one is Del Rio, later the Captain, who plants the seed of evil in Europe in the form of the mirror, yes, I'm right with you there. But I don't think that's the only role he plays. I think at least in 1944 we see him as Von Ondine in that last Me. 262, and I think as he winks out in `44 another `modified child' is born. "I only live to be born again"... All these people are Imaginos - the body changes, but the mind is always the same. The character has to be awoken however. The first awakening to my mind covers several songs, as you've said, and I'm not sure Von Ondine is ever awoken - in `ME262' he's clearly in the grip of powesr beyond him but he doesn't know what they are. But I see D&S as the ceremony of awakening for the third incarnation I've mentioned - the boy has spent ten years, which in `63 is half his life - it's not far off a birth in `44, is it? - getting ready, he doesn't know what for, and it's the rite described in D&S. Where does it lead? Well, I'd say, and this is an opinion I meant to textually justify once upon a time in much the same way you have, it leads to `R U Ready to Rock?' and the musical manifestation of the Blue Oyster Cult themselves. In which case, who's Imaginos, well, uh... I wouldn't like to say, he might well be reading :-) Quite how Susie fits into `Astronomy' though I can't figure. Another repeating character? A role played by different women? Maybe your theory has more in it :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Sep 17 13:10:25 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:10:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind press release Message-ID: ......yes, there's always one!!!!!!!!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind press release > > >no paul rudolph though, amyone know what he up to this days? > > > > He lives in Canada, which might pose some difficulty (but then again, Del > > and Alan Powell also live on this side of the pond, and they're both on the > > list). He's released two albums under the name "Pink Fairies" (just him & > > Twink) over the last few years, too. > > Well, the last one was 1996. And that, pace Andy Garibaldi who > seems to like it, is quite the worst album I own, so I'd say it's possible > Mr. Rudolph has just lost it and has kind of left the music scene as > performer over the last five years. Yours, > Jon > > -- > | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > | ======================================================================| > | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 17 14:19:35 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:19:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 13 - Magna Message-ID: call it laziness, short attention span, or low iq, but i've always felt that this stuff was simply a very loosely connected collection of songs by 2 extremely gifted and imaginative writers, yes; but perhaps not the meticulously crafted, fully realized, linear story that many have attempted to interpret and decipher. i'm just not convinced that pearlman's story was ever *completely* mapped out; or that there was a concerted effort to tell this story in parts sprinkled throughout boc's career, or that *all* of the songs listed by the faq/Al all thell parts of the story. some fit into the loose framework and add to the mythos, coincidentally, sure (but the 'i only live...' line in 'r u ready' qualifies it as a part of the cycle?). but what i see here is more like the first 2 seasons of 'twin peaks': a strikingly creative and gripping series of loosely connected vignettes that appear to be leading somewhere, *surely this must all add up to something*...but in truth, it doesn't add up to anything more than "a strikingly creative and gripping series of loosely connected vignettes." I know that there was a real core-theme to the story way back when, but i'm suggesting that it grew and evolved as boc grew and evolved, and Al's imaginos lp was an attempt to reign it all in and make the final definitive statement on it. But my reading (and i'm entitled to it) remains: an extremely interesting collection of lyrics by two talented artists who imposed a story framework ("mythos") onto the songs as they were written and recorded. the story could be put together and evolved with any songs that seem to have similar themes, not according to any pre-planned framework. Al's (and Pearlman's) word has to stand as the definative explanantion; it's his work. but only they know the true 'story', and even they (Al) says that it hasn't been completely revealed and might never be. or is that line intended to keep us guessing, de-coding, analyizing, mythologizing... i truly enjoyed your writings on the subject, however. if you have a chance, read neil stephenson's NECRONOMICON for another take on the ancient secret conspiratorial origins of WWII... a huge Al fan bobm From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 17 14:20:30 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:20:30 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 2 - WoTT Message-ID: >I've always seen this as a much >later song in the cycle. It seems to me that the character singing is >Imaginos in his Del Rio character, and the song deals with how his eyes >were opened by Les Invisibles. I am a sailor on the raging depths And I know a thing or two Back to the corner, mates, and over the side Yes, I know a thing or two mates=his friends; over the side = ? heh. Are you referring to Del Rio, *before*, or Desdinova, *after* the resurrection? Either way, it seems to me excessive to devote an entire song to such explanation. *Before*, there was so much unknown, unclear to him, that not much could be 'explained'; *after*, so much is explained in "Blue Oyster Cult". What's more, there was the BOC Reprise, which, as I've been told, is really only another version of BOC. I take this was an attempt to 'underline' BOC (the song), thus making the additional explanatory song even more unnecessary. But I may be wrong of course. Actually here's the FAQ listing: Act One: The Imaginos album we're familiar with. Act Two: Bombs over Germany Workshop Of The Telescopes The Girl That Love Made Blind * ME 262 The Red And The Black Cities On Flame ** Shadow Of California Half-Life Time + Veteran Of The Psychic Wars ++ Career Of Evil ++ Act Three: The Mutant Reformation Take Me Away ++ The Vigil ++ ETI R. U. Ready 2 Rock Heavy Metal Flaming Telepaths Gil Blanco County * Redeemed Note WoTT at the beginning of Act 2, and Flaming Telepaths toward the end. If we take this to be a *trilogy* in a strict sense, then each unit (Act) must be to some extent self-sufficient. In that sense, WoTT might be placed there (at the beginning of Act 2) to sort of explain the background of the story, for those who haven't heard Act 1. I've just thought of this. But I don't know, things sorta fall into place my way. In the other FAQ listing, for the 'full' version of the 1st act, as intended by Albert, there's no mention of WoTT. In that listing, however, the 1st act includes also Gil Blanco County, The Girl that love made blind, and Half-life time. Maybe in that case there is more need of 'explanation' at the beginning of Act II? I haven't heard these songs yet, but I'm planning to, via a fellow boc-l-er. So I may have more on those later. As for Flaming Telepaths: towards the end of his life, in the second half of the 20th century, he realizes how pointless everything's been (see the end of my bit on Magna), and he says to himself, or imagines the gods saying: "and the joke's on you!" Doesn't it tie in nicely? >And isn't Haiti referred to as the world's >axis in the _Imaginos_ sleeve notes? I don't remember! Is it? >but I somehow >feel that Elizabeth and Drake have very little to do with the cycle - both >are only implied by John Dee on the original album and he is, it seems to >me, only mentioned to give `pedigree' to the use of the black jade >mirror. Convince me :-) Yours, > Jon but it can't be the same mirror! His mirror is in the British Museum.(And when I was in London, I forgot I was going to go and see it!) I've also said (I think in "Imaginos") that there's no real connection between the 16th century episode and the 19th century episodes. Basically we only have "Salamander Drake" to go on. The only explanation I see for this is the one I've written. Again: I may be wrong, Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 17 14:32:54 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:32:54 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie Message-ID: >It's my impression rather that he is multiple >characters, born many times to play many roles. The crucial and first one >is Del Rio, later the Captain, who plants the seed of evil in Europe in >the form of the mirror, yes, I'm right with you there. But I don't think >that's the only role he plays. I think at least in 1944 we see him as Von >Ondine in that last Me. 262, and I think as he winks out in `44 another >`modified child' is born. "I only live to be born again"... I've thought about all this. My conclusion was that there is simply too little to go on for the remainder of the story. Note that Albert intended (if he ever got to it) to put on the 2nd and 3rd part songs like "The Vigil" and "Veteran", not written by Pearlman at all. I'd say there never really was a definite, "final" version of the remainder of the story, beyond 1893. There are hints such as Von Ondine - but what could possibly be his importance? There definitely is *something*; if there ever were a second and third album, the story definitely *would* have extended into the 20th century; but trying to deduce what exactly would have happened is IMHO pointless. > All these people are Imaginos - the body changes, but the mind is >always the same. The character has to be awoken however. I've thought of this as well. But what is the point of this? How can he profit from the knowledge of his previous incarnations. So little is in his hands anyway. the boy >has spent ten years, which in `63 is half his life - it's not far off a >birth in `44, is it? When was Pearlman born? Around that time I'd say. All of the original band members were born from '44 to '47. And Von Ondine was already a pilot in '44. Now it's true Nazis enlisted children toward the very end of the war, but this ... I don't know. :) >it leads to `R U Ready to Rock?' and the musical >manifestation of the Blue Oyster Cult themselves. In which case, who's >Imaginos, well, uh... I wouldn't like to say, he might well be reading :-) believe it or not - I've thought of this as well! But what's 'he' doing? No, seriously, that is IMHO sailing into 'ridiculous' waters. Johnny ps "I only live to be born again" can simply be a Christian belief. and yes, I have thought of that. perhaps he doesn't remember his past so well in RU Ready? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sun Sep 17 16:28:37 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:28:37 -0400 Subject: BOC tonight at Maddie's in Frazer PA Message-ID: Hi, If anyone from the list is going to this show tonight (BOC to come on stage about 8:40PM), drop me a line backburner. Splitting from here in 2 hours........Mike (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Sep 17 17:12:23 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:12:23 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos: Girl and Half Life Time Message-ID: For those who missed it the last time I posted these, here's the lyrics to Girl and Half Life Time, two terrific songs that tie into the Imaginos mythos. ------------ The Girl That Love Made Blind I thought your eyes blue Oh no, they're green she said to me We danced in time but didn't you know This dance was time At the party of astrologers The Christmas tide was due On the way to Alberdan The dance, the dream and you Actuals and counterclaims Dancing all the time Dancing in the corridor And the dance was time At the height of Christmas tide She found a ghost inside Give it up or let it ride She must decide Actuals and counterclaims Drugged, reborn, resigned The castle stands, the girl remains And if she'll spin, it's packed with eyes Out there in the corridor Caught there in the mirror maze >From her last and loving glance A waltz, a dance Whose time not here but gone was time So put me to the question But there's no return from this castle of mine For the powers that be The girl and her dreams The girl that love made blind And that's the last dance We had upon that night Party of astrologers The Christmas of my life ------------------------------------- Half Life Time The fourth world stands behind the third world The third world opposite stands behind you When the bones of our oppressors have turned to dust And the cause we serve rules the world Then a vision, a visitation All hail the revolution You who have nothing to lose but your lives You who fear to die more than once In red, go riding It's Half Life Time Now begins the time of life ride Ghosts they are, they walk the Earth Casualties not necromantic The furnace affords them birth Within Europa's fiery furnace The last page of prophecy I am the ghost of countless yearnings Burn we now for victory! After midnight in the prison yard The red virgins come to set you free A lie called truth is on their lips They do not come to bring you sleep Red for wine dress of the lord The bonds that cut our energy Energy imprisoned must make itself free Easter Sunday, Saint John's Night The messenger sleeps between us tonight If he wakes before the dawn The message will not be wrong If he wakes after light The message will not be right One for the loved one, one for the life One for the husband and one for the wife Now begins the time of life ride Ghosts they are, they walk the Earth Casualties not necromantic The fiery furnace affords them birth Within Europa's fiery furnace The last page of prophecy I am the ghost of countless yearnings Burn we now for victory! On the starship field with the ruler's son He dreams of revolution, but this chosen one Will not dream of you Plutonia, the dream state beckons Country of the Half Life Time Areana, the northern sun Agent of the first design This world will not end with a whimper The cries of anguish our victory History becomes your test Energy imprisoned must make itself free (dated 1978) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Sep 17 17:17:53 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:17:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake Message-ID: Tim's just updated his website, including some mp3s. Mike in particular will take note of the advance tracks from the new album... http://moonweed.free.fr/ Tim vient de mettre a jour son website personnel, des fichiers mp3 inclus! Mike, surtout, va s'interesser des numeros du nouvel album... http://moonweed.free.fr/ -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Sep 17 17:42:21 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:42:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Big in Japan Message-ID: You might have already checked this out, but I've just been having a good browse through this rather wonderful Japanese HW fan site: http://homepage1.nifty.com/hawkwind/ Lots of interesting stuff, eg some rare Barney Bubbles art, the Japanese Silver machine cover, etc. Navigating the Japanese pages can be a bit hit-or-miss for us non-Japanese readers, but that adds to the charm somehow. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Sep 17 22:25:57 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:55:57 +0930 Subject: HW: Concert Recording Message-ID: I'd be curious to now this as well..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: Concert Recording > Anyone know if any rules are being imposed regarding recording of the > Hawkestra event? Though I do not plan on recording the entire show > (don't have the patience for that! or enough room in my pockets for > batteries), I got one of those newfangled digital camcorders that does > about 10 frames a minute (not exactly full motion video quality) , and > would like to record perhaps a couple of songs for posterity (not > prosperity) sake. Mr. Brock, are you out there? > From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Mon Sep 18 23:32:30 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:30 -0500 Subject: Other: Free Skye Klad CD Message-ID: As some of you know Skye Klad is a struggling space rock band from Minneapolis that is capable of making some good live music. I was talking to Adam (the singer) recently and he brought up the subject of possibly circulating some of my live recordings of the band. I was all for the idea and suggested to him that the best way would be free cds for people who attend shows. I'm also inclined to think it would be a good idea to make this offer to list people as well, since the people on this list are really the people (hardcore spacerock fans) that skye klad is trying to reach. The idea is to gain fans and get the music in the hands of people that will talk about it and maybe pass on copies to other people, however there are zero strings attached. So here is the deal if you would like a free cd of live skye klad music send me a private email with your name and address, it's that easy. From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Mon Sep 18 05:13:54 2000 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:13:54 +0200 Subject: HW: brixton concert recording Message-ID: this i've been wondering about myself, though i have a strong gut-feeling that (unless they've become grateful dead) no rules will be eased upon... so i guess, for me, it's back to sneaking my equipment into the venue, etc. now, i feel my concert-feeling is somewhat lost standing there, glancing at my watch, recording - but at least i'm able to back-up my own memory, so-to-speak ;-) well, i've ordered my tickets and i'm really looking forward to the whole thing (both days o' lemster) ....i haven't been able to read the list for a while, have anybody got any info on anything, anybody having a beer beforehand...? i'll be very happy if some good soul will inform me :-) :-) :-) best, ketil svendsen, norway Automatic digest processor wrote: > > Subject: Re: HW: Concert Recording > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:59:47 -0500 > From: Tom Clark > > Anyone know if any rules are being imposed regarding recording of the > Hawkestra event? Though I do not plan on recording the entire show > (don't have the patience for that! or enough room in my pockets for > batteries), I got one of those newfangled digital camcorders that does > about 10 frames a minute (not exactly full motion video quality) , and > would like to record perhaps a couple of songs for posterity (not > prosperity) sake. Mr. Brock, are you out there? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 18 06:40:27 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:40:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Toads Place Message-ID: Excellent set at Toads Place this weekend. This Ain't the Summer of Love Teen Archer Subhuman E.T.I. Harvest Moon Pocket Buck's Boogie Joan Crawford Cities on Flame Now Is the Time for the Old Gods Return Harvester of Eyes Burning for You Golden Age of Leather Last Days of May Godzilla Reaper ---- Dominance and Submission The opening acts were Achimede's Frisbee - Interesting Chain Reaction - Cover band, very good Simple Jim - Passable On Last Days just before the last lyrics where the music speeds up, Buck and Danny (and Bobby) seemed to be having some sort of one up manship going on. They kept going faster and faster with both winding up on their knees on the stage melting their strings. The show lasted just under (by 3 minutes) 2 hours. Awesome!!! From nick at NETPHD.NET Mon Sep 18 08:42:04 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:42:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Toads Place In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoting "Hall, Russell J" : > Excellent set at Toads Place this weekend. > > Pocket > Now Is the Time for the Old Gods Return Somebody please tell me. . . How are these 2 songs??? Or what about Eye of the Hurricane??? I'm really, really anxious to hear (or at least hear ABOUT) the new stuff. While we're on the subject, does ANYBODY know when the new disc is coming? If they still plan to release it this year, they're running out of time. --Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 18 09:11:53 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:11:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Toads Place In-Reply-To: <200009181242.IAA07854@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 18 Sep 00, at 8:42, Nick English wrote: > While we're on the subject, does ANYBODY know when the > new disc is coming? If they still plan to release it > this year, they're running out of time. I think I read somewhere that they're figuring Spring of '01 for the new disc... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 18 09:33:22 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:33:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Classic Rock Message-ID: The current issue of Classic Rock magazine (on sale in all good newsagents and leading supermarkets, it says here) has a couple of pages about the Hawkestra, and about a ten-page article on Motorhead (very funny it is too). Next issue it looks like Hawkwind are the cover story!!!!! Good old Mick Wall. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 09:51:35 2000 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:51:35 +0100 Subject: BOC: A few random thoughts In-Reply-To: <39C13C91.3CAD8A33@mindspring.com> Message-ID: I wrote: > I saw [Unknown Tongue] included in the SWU set at Dunstable > Civic Hall in 1981. I remember that [Albert] arrived late for that > one, and a roadie had to play drums on the first number, > which was The Red & The Black. On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Oh! They made me think I'd missed half the show! I've just checked back on my notes and I find that they also played ETI and Joan Crawford Has Risen From the Grave before Al arrived. But he certainly didn't miss half of the show! - Mike Godwin From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Sep 18 10:56:05 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:56:05 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 8 - the song order, again Message-ID: In regards to your interpretation... "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.." JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Firic [mailto:johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:17 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Imaginos, part 8 - the song order, again > > > 8. THE ORDER OF THE REMAINING SONGS (2) > --------------------------------------- > > That didn't put you off? Great! > > The order of the remaining songs has, I believe, been > established. Just to > refresh your memory, we have: > > 6. Astronomy, > 7. In the presence... , > 8. The siege & investiture... , and > 9. Magna of illusion. > > However, in "Astronomy", an important change takes place as Imaginos > realizes he is "descended from the stars". He becomes aware of his > supernatural powers, most notably his ability to move forward > and backward > through time - which enables him to "place himself on vital > junction points > in history", if I remember the quote correctly. All songs > (except Magna, but > that's not the issue now) are told from HIS point of view. Since he is > 'jumping through time', the sixth and seventh song in the cycle, for > example, don't necessarily happen BEFORE (in 'our', > historical time) the > eighth and ninth song. The nasty thing is that this enormous > change, this > 'inference' which started it all, happened during > "Astronomy", not before it > and not after it, and I am not 100% certain where to draw the > line. From the > line "I'm sure to be the lucky one" (which of course happens > before "the > inference", it is clear that he did not deem himself above or > beyond an > ordinary human life, together with good luck and bad luck, despite his > mysterious connection with Les Invisibles. The nature of this > connection was > probably unclear to him at the time. Pictorially, you could > say that he > thought it was a relationship of a deity and its worshipper (or even > priest), as opposed to direct descendant! > Anyway, that is why some songs aren't chronologically in tune > with others. > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 18 10:57:05 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:57:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: Well, this is all very interesting. I must confess that I'm no expert on history, the occult, and other topics discussed in *Imaginos*, and I would consider myself a really lousy interpreter of lyrics and poetry. Keep in mind that what's in the FAQ as far as the story of *Imaginos* is based upon others' interpretations, not my own. But, based on what I know of these interpretations, I'll throw out a few comments on this most excellent interpretation. First point to make would be of course that probably no interpretation can be considered "definitive" - and BOC has often said that their lyrics are subject to interpretation (and that their fans often come up with better interpretations on this stuff than they do!). I don't know how much of this Sandy Pearlman all really figured out back in late 1967 (and I've tried to contact him to ask him about some of this, but no such luck on my part), how much of the story might have changed from 1967 to 1988, or even how much some good drugs might have played a part (that's not meant as a moral judgement by the way - nor is it meant to suggest I have knowledge of Sandy Pearlman's recreational activities). The point here is that while many of us search for a definitive meaning of this stuff some 30 years after the lyrics were written, it is not clear to me how definitive it was in the mind of the creator. Take, for example, J.R.R. Tolkien's creation of "Middle Earth" (as told in "The Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings", and "The Silmarillion"). Those of you who read Tolkien's stories in depth may know that various elements of "Middle Earth" changed as Tolkien wrote out his stories over the course of time. Elements of "The Hobbit" had to be re-written or re-interpreted after "The Lord of the Rings" took shape, and there are inconsistencies between events detailed in "The Silmarillion" and "The Lord of the Rings". Much of this has been later explained away by reinterpretation, or assumptions made by his son Christopher (check out some explanations in notes to "The Silmarillion", or "Unfinished Tales" that Christopher Tolkien wrote - not to mention the many-volumed "History of Middle Earth", which contains various drafts of the stories, and shows some of the changes needed to make everything more consisistent). Presumably *Imaginos* is a "collection" of poems - and it is not clear to me that Sandy Pearlman had a master plan in mind to make the whole thing consistent with itself. But, it sure is fun trying to think about all this. So, here's a few comments on Johnny's points in his most-excellent thesis: > Beyond doubt, the first song of the Imaginos cycle is "Les Invisibles", and > from its tone it is obvious that it was - lyrically - intended to be the > curtain raiser. Musically, the curtain raiser was of course the Overture. > The "world axis" is the 0th meridian. On it lays the city of London, and in > it is "the Empress", Elizabeth I. Interesting. I think "Les Invisibles" is the start as well, but it always had a much "older" feel to me - that is, the existence of "Les Invisibles" started even earlier in time - perhaps before time as we know it (sort of like the "Great Old Ones" in the Chtulhu Mythos - yeah, I know, *Imaginos* is not really a re-telling of Lovecraft's mythos, but as we know there are lots of similarities). I always though of "the empress" as perhaps one of Les Invisibles, or their agents that "lay sleeping" until the right time ("and when the stars are right") to set Desdinova upon the world - in this sense, perhaps "the empress" is the "mother" of Imaginos. I'm a bit unsure about "the world axis" being the 0th meridian - that is a man-made reference that I'm not sure the "gods" would necessarily recognize. Or am I missing something - is the 0th meridian often referred to as the "world axis"? To me, the equator seems more logical to be referred to as a "world axis" - or the line running from the north to south pole that runs straight through the earth (as opposed to its surface, as the meridians do). A quick Lovecraft tie-in -- if the "world axis" referred to the north/south pole line, that sort of fits in a bit with Lovecraft's "The Mountains of Madness", where remnants of the "Great Old Ones" were discovered in Antarctica. But I digress... > Closely connected with "Invisibles" is the song "Workshop of the > telescopes". It takes place in the same timeline, and recounts an > (imaginary) conversation between John Dee and Francis Drake. In the > course of the conversation, each man realizes the other's significance, and > how each could benefit from their cooperation Most interesting. I never thought of the idea of two conversing. Of course, WOTT wasn't on the *Imaginos* album, and while I agree it has all the elements to be part of the story, I would think it's harder to try and "fit" this into the rest of *Imaginos* for that reason. Same for songs like "Flaming Telepaths", "Dominance and Submission", "ME 262", "R U Ready to Rock", "Half Life Time", "Gil Blanco County", and others. Not saying we shouldn't try - but since they aren't on the album, I would think it would be harder to definitively put them in to an interpretion. Conversely, since an analysis such as this excludes many songs (such as the ones mentioned in this paragraph), how much of the story are we not taking into account? > mutual acquaintance of the two, and possibly his wife as well. I've always wondered about the line "and their wives" - seems like there should be some significance there. Showing my ignorance here, was Elizabeth I ever married - could she have been the wife of one of these Doctors? Given that back in those days wives weren't exactly considered equals to men in so many respects, I wonder what the significance of wives here might be -- I keep getting this impression of horror stories where the mad scientist's wife discovers his laboratory while he is away, and then he comes back and catches her and does something nasty to her... > "Back to the corner mates and over the side" - a clue on where Drake's > haunts are, and (implicitly) what his business there is. This line conjures up images of the "Blue Oyster Cult" story ("left to die by two good friends" and the fact that the *Imaginos* liner notes mention this in reference to the "shipwreck of the expedition" that is told in "Del Rio's Song") - could this be a premonition of things to come? Or was the drowning of Imaginos a retaliation for a similar murder years before in the time of Drake? Taken in this light, might the sailor leaving New Orleans in 1829 who would be left to die have been a descendent of Drake (or Dee)? > > The change of "They'll know me . . . " to "You'll know me . . ." in > the last > line implies that Dee has 'accepted' Drake, and that their cooperation > will > now begin. "We Understand - We Understand..." > Other than that, nothing has been said to deny the statement > that the > early England/Spain conflict was not in fact a 'retaliatory strike' of > Les Invisibles, a short-term scheme while they were working on a larger, > centuries-spanning plan. The liner notes refer to WW I breaking out - something about a disease with a long period of incubation (citing from memory). England and Spain of course did not fight eachother in that war, but then maybe the earlier conflict helped "battle harden" them for future conflicts (which might have been part of the referenced "incubation"). > (Cough) Imaginos. The first lines could be taken to say that he was > either > born (and had so 'approached the sun', being incarnated), or he came Got to wonder if there was any significance to New Hampshire - just a fairly unpopulated area of the new world? Does the "Hampshire" part refer back to England in some significant way? Perhaps New Hampshire and England are at approximately the same latitude? > "When time gets slow, and rivers freeze" is very reminiscent of the > WoTT > part about the closed ridge, as both lines seem to have a 'wintery' > connotation. Hmm... maybe this refers back to his "birth" in New Hampshire - would think there are more freezing rivers there than in New Orleans... > he's in for some r'n'r with "some good rum punch". By the way, New > Orleans > was in 1829, and is now, a good place to enjoy rum punch . . . This reminds me of a routine that comedian Robin Williams did - talking about sailors giving local townsmen "a few rum drinks" - and the next thing they knew was that these guys woke up on the deck of the ship and were now unwilling members of the ship's crew. Don't know if this was a common practice, but if it was, might young Imaginos have recruited his crew in such a fashion? Might explain why they left him to die after the shipwreck (then again, not sure they would be referred to as "2 good friends"). > 7. I AM THE ONE YOU WARNED ME OF I'm still waiting for an interpretation of the line "And frost warnings from the women's farm" > However, in "Astronomy", an important change takes place as Imaginos > realizes he is "descended from the stars". He becomes aware of his > supernatural powers, most notably his ability to move forward and > backward through time - which enables him to "place himself on vital junction > points in history" So, if take this in the sort of "Back to the Future" sense, can he go back in time and influence events that have bearing on his own existence? Going back to my postulation that his "death" on the oysterbeads might have been retaliation for events involving Dr. Dee or Sir Francis Drake - had he gone back in time, revealed secrets to these men (via the infamous "black telescope") that had bearing on mates going "over the side" - only to have the favor returned to him in 1829? Or, do I just need to cut back on the caffeine? ;-) > 12. THE SIEGE AND INVESTITURE OF BARON VON FRANKENSTEIN'S CASTLE AT > WEISSERIA > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Cul-de-sac" means (in French) a situation with no way out. I always kind of took this more literally to mean a cul-de-sac in the street sense - that being Frankenstein's residence being at the end of some road. Also, there hasn't been given a lot of analysis to this song - either here or elsewhere - makes me wonder why or why not... > (1) "And when the sun proved false / as it always does / some of them > would > be lost / and some would sail back home / it was no star / but a magna > of > illusion" > > (2) "... rockers will dwell on doom ... what seems to be is not" > > I quote myself from "Imaginos", speaking of the lines "approached the > sun" > etc.: > > "Slightly more metaphorically, it can be taken to mean that he entered > the > story, that his own story (or "saga") began at that time". > > In (1), "the sun" could again mean "the entire story, 'saga', of > Imaginos". > It proves false. "It was no star, but a magna of illusion". The high > point > of the story is the magna (=culmination) of illusion? The "illusion" > can > then only stand for the entire story! "What seems to be is not": the > story > is fake, it is an illusion. We, the BOC fans enchanted with > "Imaginos", are > the "rockers" (literally!) who "dwell on doom", "the doom" (of Europe) > brought about by Imaginos. The whole thing is one big joke. Ah, the old "he woke up and discovered it was all a dream" idea. Too convinient for my taste, but still a valid interpretation I would think. Still, I prefer a more nautical interpretation of the sun that drew false (sailors following a particular star) and "some would be lost, and some would sail back home" - and going back to the idea of spaceships, if the "star" they were following was in fact a spaceship, this would seem to fit into the idea of the sun going false "as it always does". > > "Is it any wonder that my joke's an iron > And the joke's on you" > > Well, not just *you*, all of us. > > Sorry. > > Well, "the party's over, it's all over". > Uh, you imply that that the whole thing is a big joke on us - I would say maybe in retrospect. I doubt Sandy Pearlman thought of writing this lyrical saga with the intention of duping everyone. However, he might get a good chuckle out of all the analysis that has been done to his poems (which, as I suggested earlier, might not have been as well-conceived and logically coherent as we would all like to believe as we try and interpret all this). > Let me throw one more wrinkle into all of this madness. These interpretations all assume that the lyrics being interpreted are the actual Imaginos lyrics. I would argue that slight changes in wording might have drastic changes in interpretation. And, I would also argue that Eric Bloom (who does most of the singing, as we know) has changed the wording of some songs. Exhibit A - "See You in Black": "You can't lie to me Ann - you can't pretend he isn't beating you up. I saw the marks of his hands - I saw the blood on your coffee cup" (no, this isn't meant as an Imaginos reference - then again, maybe we should try to fit it into the story...) The line above is as far as I know, how Jon Shirley wrote the lyric (it is also how Shirley performs the song on his own CD). However, Eric has always sung the line: "You can't lie to me Ann - you can't pretend he isn't beating you up. I saw the marks ON YOUR hands - I saw the blood on your coffee cup" I've seen some fans interpret the husband to be a very sinister person - abusing his wife by only injuring her on the hands - a sort of torture if you will. However, the more likely story is that Eric just originally screwed up the lyrics, and since he never corrected himself early on when the band was doing the song, it has just become the lyric as far as he is concerned. However, I would suggest that the original lyric was much more straightforward in one's interpreation. Anyways, this is good stuff - fun to try and figure this stuff out, whether we ever really know the "awful truth". John From chip at PCC.COM Mon Sep 18 11:01:43 2000 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:01:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 13 - Magna In-Reply-To: from "Robert C. Mayo" at Sep 17, 2000 02:19:35 PM Message-ID: Robert C. Mayo spoke: > i truly enjoyed your writings on the subject, however. if you have a chance, > read neil stephenson's NECRONOMICON for another take on the ancient secret > conspiratorial origins of WWII... That's _Cryptonomicon_, lest anyone think it's connected to the Lovecraft stuff. [And it IS great.] -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Mon Sep 18 11:08:19 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:08:19 -0400 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult at Maddie's, Frazer PA, 9/17 Message-ID: I thought this show was excellent. A crowd of about 200 filled the space, and the band sounded very good... Some of my personal favorites of the evening were: Mistress of The Salmon Salt ( quicktime girl) Joan Crawford Golden Age of Leather Astronomy The whole set was good, but these tunes stood out for me. I was fortunate enough to pass Allen Lanier a copy of "Integration" after the show. Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 18 11:06:24 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:06:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Toads Place Message-ID: Eric said "Middle of next year" when he introduced Pocket. Pocket is a kicking tune sung by Buck Old Gods is a little darker sounding and sung by Eric. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick English [SMTP:nick at NETPHD.NET] > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:42 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Toads Place > > Quoting "Hall, Russell J" : > > > Excellent set at Toads Place this weekend. > > > > Pocket > > Now Is the Time for the Old Gods Return > > Somebody please tell me. . . How are these 2 songs??? > Or what about Eye of the Hurricane??? I'm really, > really anxious to hear (or at least hear ABOUT) the new > stuff. > > While we're on the subject, does ANYBODY know when the > new disc is coming? If they still plan to release it > this year, they're running out of time. > > --Nick From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 18 11:13:57 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:13:57 -0400 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult at Maddie's, Frazer PA, 9/17 Message-ID: You got Astronomy and Quicklime Girl ?!!? Aargh! > -----Original Message----- > From: SLOTERDIJK [SMTP:SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET] > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 11:08 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Blue Oyster Cult at Maddie's, Frazer PA, 9/17 > > I thought this show was excellent. A crowd of about 200 filled the > space, and the band sounded very good... > > Some of my personal favorites of the evening were: > > Mistress of The Salmon Salt ( quicktime girl) > Joan Crawford > Golden Age of Leather > Astronomy > > The whole set was good, but these tunes stood out for me. > > I was fortunate enough to pass Allen Lanier a copy of "Integration" > after the show. > > Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) > > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Sep 18 11:21:55 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:21:55 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 13 - Magna Message-ID: I'm with you. This is what I wanted to say about the whole thing but lacked the words to do so. I also think that many folks try too hard to find hidden meaning and metaphors (Which is what I meant by my "cigar" comment). I applaud the attempts to put it all together and enjoy reading them. There was definitely more thought and effort put into it than I ever attempted. But we're talking about rock n' roll here. I think some of the language used in the songs can be explained as simply a matter of rhyming conventions and meter. I still have problems with some of the lyrics also.. "mimic cry" or "mimicry", "decimal chains" or "dismal chains" are a few examples (The 2nd choices are what I hear and actually make more sense to me..) Although, if I recall, Albert set me straight on at least one of those a year or two back (in the last big Imaginos debate, I think..) In any case, Imaginos being one of my all-time favorite albums, I love discussing it, keep 'em coming! JB > call it laziness, short attention span, or low iq, but i've > always felt that > this stuff was simply a very loosely connected collection of > songs by 2 > extremely gifted and imaginative writers, yes; but perhaps not the > meticulously crafted, fully realized, linear story that many > have attempted > to interpret and decipher. i'm just not convinced that > pearlman's story was > ever *completely* mapped out; or that there was a concerted > effort to tell > this story in parts sprinkled throughout boc's career, or From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 18 11:31:43 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos - One more interpretation Message-ID: All this *Imaginos* stuff has gotten me to thinking - and in the spirit of how we don't know the extent of how the *Imaginos* story might permeate through various other BOC songs, I give you an interpretation of one of the final songs in the *Imaginos* cycle, "Burnin' For You". ;-) >Home in the valley >Home in the city >Home isn't pretty >Ain't no home for me >Home in the darkness >Home on the highway >Home isn't my way >Home I'll never be This is clearly referring to the young Desdinova before leaving New Orleans in 1829. The "valley" might be the Mississippi river valley which ends at the delta in the "city" of New Orleans. Or, this just may refer to the fact that young Desdinova is a traveller, and always on the road (from New Hampshire to Texas and New Orleans are locations we know about) "Home isn't my way - home I'l never be." >Burn out the day >Burn out the night >I can't see no reason to put up a fight >I'm living for givin' the devil his due >And I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you >I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you Hmm... there's lots of references to fire here (of "unknown origin"?), but of course most of the Imaginos story is laced with referenced to water, not fire. Well, hell is often referred to as a "lake" of fire, with it's victims "drowning" in it. (side note: Albert Bouchard has mentioned that the first three albums were BOC's attempts to "describe hell" - and we know that *Secret Treaties* is sort of a glimpse of *Imaginos*) This gets back to Imaginos being reborn after his "drowning" on the oysterbeds. "Givin' the devil his due" no doubt refers to the "one deal is what we made" in the song "Blue Oyster Cult" - and since it is his destiny, there is "no reason to put up a fight". So, whether Imaginos is an agent of Les Invisibles via drowning and rebirth in water, or an agent of Satan via drowning and rebirth in fire, he does so presumably out of free will, but seeing no better alternative. Is that really a choice? You decide. >Time is the essence >Time is the season >Time ain't no reason >Got no time to slow It would appear that in Imaginos' world, time is both everything ("time is the essence") and nothing ("time ain't no reason"). >Time everlasting >Time to play B-sides >Time ain't on my side >Time I'll never know "Time to Play B-sides" - an obvious reference to Imaginos "singing songs that no-body knew" (as we all know, nobody plays the b-sides on those vinyl 45s) >Burn out the day >Burn out the night >I'm not the one to tell you what's wrong and what's right This reinforces the idea that Imaginos is there to present humanity with challenges, but not to make the ultimate decisions as to which way is right or wrong. He's just there to set the wheels in motion. >I've seen suns that were freezing and lives that were through >And I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you >I'm burnin', I'm burnin', I'm burnin' for you Ah, the reference to "when the sun grew false as it always does". Yet, still Desdinova "burns" for someone. This must be a reference to "Susie Dear" - perhaps ultimately Imaginos failed in his mission as so many do - because of the lust over a woman. See, even the supernatural types make the same mistakes as we lowly humans... "And the joke's . . . On YOU!" ;-) From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Sep 18 11:42:47 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: > > > (1) "And when the sun proved false / as it always does / > some of them > > would > > be lost / and some would sail back home / it was no star / > but a magna > > of > > illusion" Hmm, I always thought it was, "It was no STORM, but a magna of illusion" hence some of the sailors being lost, the sun obscured.. Hmmm.. "the origin of storms"? "Marge, my brain hurts!" -- Homer J. Simpson JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 18 11:48:59 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:48:59 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos In-Reply-To: <39C62D2F.7A67F651@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 18 Sep 00, at 10:57, John A. Swartz wrote: > I've always wondered about the line "and their wives" - seems like > there should be some significance there. Showing my ignorance here, > was Elizabeth I ever married - could she have been the wife of one of > these Doctors? No, she was 'the Virgin Queen' though of course she had many affairs, but somehow avoided [at least as far as history knows] getting pregnant... Given that back in those days wives weren't exactly > considered equals to men in so many respects, I wonder what the > significance of wives here might be -- I keep getting this impression > of horror stories where the mad scientist's wife discovers his > laboratory while he is away, and then he comes back and catches her > and does something nasty to her... > Or, perhaps, he is driven to seek out the dark side by his wife's demands, or to impress her with his brilliance, power etc... > This line conjures up images of the "Blue Oyster Cult" story ("left to > die by two good friends" and the fact that the *Imaginos* liner notes > mention this in reference to the "shipwreck of the expedition" that is > told in "Del Rio's Song") - could this be a premonition of things to > come? Or was the drowning of Imaginos a retaliation for a similar > murder years before in the time of Drake? Taken in this light, might > the sailor leaving New Orleans in 1829 who would be left to die have > been a descendent of Drake (or Dee)? > It's possible, though Drake died in, I believe, 1596... > Got to wonder if there was any significance to New Hampshire - just a > fairly unpopulated area of the new world? Does the "Hampshire" part > refer back to England in some significant way? Perhaps New Hampshire > and England are at approximately the same latitude? > Not too close. New Hampshire has about the same latitude as southern France... > This reminds me of a routine that comedian Robin Williams did - > talking about sailors giving local townsmen "a few rum drinks" - and > the next thing they knew was that these guys woke up on the deck of > the ship and were now unwilling members of the ship's crew. Don't > know if this was a common practice, but if it was, might young > Imaginos have recruited his crew in such a fashion? Not a really common practice around these parts, but it's the genesis for the term 'Shanghai'...apparently a quite-common practice in the far east... theo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Sep 18 12:24:13 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:24:13 -0400 Subject: Blue Oyster Cult at Maddie's, Frazer PA, 9/17 Message-ID: You wrote: > From: SLOTERDIJK > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:08:19 -0400 > Subject: Blue Oyster Cult at Maddie's, Frazer PA, 9/17 > > > I thought this show was excellent. A crowd of about 200 filled the > space, and the band sounded very good... > > Some of my personal favorites of the evening were: > > Mistress of The Salmon Salt ( quicktime girl) Holy *(&*&@!!!! that's amazing. Did they do a vocal round at the end with the lines of the last verse? Jason From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Sep 18 12:34:49 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:34:49 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos -- Lyric alterations Message-ID: In a message dated 09/18/2000 10:58:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: << Let me throw one more wrinkle into all of this madness. These interpretations all assume that the lyrics being interpreted are the actual Imaginos lyrics. I would argue that slight changes in wording might have drastic changes in interpretation. And, I would also argue that Eric Bloom (who does most of the singing, as we know) has changed the wording of some songs. Exhibit A - "See You in Black": >> A very good point. Don't forget that the original version of E.T.I. features the line, "books by the blameless and by the dead," which Bloom soon changed to, "books by the many and by the dead," presumably for ease of singing. Then there's Astronomy..."Four winds at the Four Winds Bar" became "Four doors at the Four Winds Bar" on the Imaginos version, and some sources for the original lyrics read "Two doors bought" instead of "Two doors locked." SET From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 18 12:47:53 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:47:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos -- Lyric alterations In-Reply-To: <4d.f6aa93.26f79e29@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Steven Tice wrote: => A very good point. Don't forget that the original version of E.T.I. features => the line, "books by the blameless and by the dead," which Bloom soon changed => to, "books by the many and by the dead," presumably for ease of singing. Then I hear this as "books by Manny," and I seem to recall "Manny" being a nickname for Eric, which might explain something. But, I got in real late from a long drive back from Farm Aid 2000 last night, so I might not be remembering clearly... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Sep 18 13:58:03 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:58:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: At 08:42 AM 9/18/2000 -0700, Joseph Brooks wrote: >> >> > (1) "And when the sun proved false / as it always does / >> some of them >> > would >> > be lost / and some would sail back home / it was no star / >> but a magna >> > of >> > illusion" > >Hmm, I always thought it was, "It was no STORM, but a magna of illusion" >hence some of the sailors being lost, the sun obscured.. Hmmm.. "the origin >of storms"? I always heard this as "star", which ties into Astronomy's "A star..." and goes along with all the lovecraftian ties in other songs ("when the stars are right...") etc. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Sep 18 13:58:04 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:58:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: >> Got to wonder if there was any significance to New Hampshire - just a >> fairly unpopulated area of the new world? Does the "Hampshire" part >> refer back to England in some significant way? Perhaps New Hampshire >> and England are at approximately the same latitude? >> >Not too close. New Hampshire has about the same latitude as >southern France... Most people over here (america) somehow have it in their heads that New York and London are about the same lattitude, when they are nowhere near. New Hampshire is indeed about the same as southern france, but suffers much more severe winters than it (something about gulf stream and on east side of continent as opposed to west side etc etc). I can't think of any reason to tie New Hampshire into the Imaginos saga except circumstantially, many Lovecraft stories were set in New England (though far more in Massachusettes, home of Miskatonic U, et al)... Since Imaginos came by ship, New Hampshire has precious little coastline, just a short stretch between Mass and Maine around Portsmouth. So if he landed there, it'd be fiarly easy to know roughly where he did. About the only other thing I might try to note is the presence of Mt. Washington, the highest peak in the northern Appalachians and home of some of the world's worst weather. Apart from that, there are a number of towns with the same name as towns in England. I remember hearing reference to another Imaginos song that almost never gets mentioned, something by Don called "Port Jefferson". This would seem to clearly refer to Port Jefferson on Long Island, being rather close to Stony U. I've never heard this song, or its lyrics, and only remember it being mentioned once or twice in any Imaginos discussions... Anyone have anything on this? "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 18 14:16:18 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:16:18 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos: in reply to everything Message-ID: Hi folks, this is an attempt to reply to every post I can think of. I will later re-read all of today's posts to see if I've missed something. 1. First, I checked all the lyrics with the fanclub website before I posted the thing. "mimic cry" in particular, imho, is not that difficult to make out on the cd, and it makes sense, in my interpret. at least. 2.as for "women's farm", yes, I've thought about it. and come up with nothing! 3. something I've just thought of, in view of "The girl that love made blind". "Well it's never said at all, on the MAP THAT CARRIE READS" perhaps because Susie is the one that's blind? 4. cul de sac = simply a dead end. right, and a castle at its end. I should have explained this better. The cul-de-sac is normal human life, which has an end to it. people want immortality here and now, and Frank gives it to them. this is the "drug by the name of / world without end." 5. there have been a lot of tolkien references lately. this cul-de-sac issue is very similar to the Fall of the Numenoreans. 6. speaking of tolkien, i don't suppose there's anyone here from alt.fan.tolkien or rec.art.books.tolkien? i used to post a lot there, but i don't have usenet access so far. in two weeks time, i'm back! 7. back to topic. i disagree that the imaginos songs (the 9 that were published) may be 'inconsistent' in the vein of The Silmarillion, being constructed over such a long period. i disagree because Pearlman was the mastermind of the entire project. there were the detailed liner notes and everything... Albert B. says he regrets the thing left "half done", but I think he refers only to the left-off songs. imho the thing as is is excellent, and simply calls for a sequel. 8. as for other songs like D&S, RU Ready etc. etc. believe me, i have gone through all the lyrics of all (published) songs. there is IMO no grounds to treat these songs like regular Imaginos songs, because who knows what would've happened to them. four winds -> four doors is a good example. 'four winds' makes no sense lyrically. four winds at the four winds bar, what a surprise. like 'bob at bob's place'. however, 'four doors etc.' implies looking for a way out ('doors - no good! windows - no good! well, nothing to it but wait and see what happens...'). also, compare "subhuman" and "BOC". the latter is twice as long as the former. ergo, if d&s for instance made it to the sequel (and Al makes no mention of it), who knows what would have happened! 9. related: but what about WoTT? Well, in this case it seemed to me that it was in all points consistant with the theme, and that it additionally explained Dee, Drake etc., something left fairly vague in the 'Invisibles' lyrics & liner. i think 'redeemed', which was mentioned many times as belonging with Imaginos (cf. the original first album liner, many Al B. references) should have been mentioned, but i couldn't really think of anything to write! originally, i had prepared a note about left-off songs, but in the end i deleted it. 10. notes on 'the girl that love made blind' and 'half life time'. i mentioned above the map thins, implying that susie may be blind. as for the suggestion that it's a 'man made reference', well, so is christmas, and it's all over TGTLMB. so is the year 1892, for example. world axis is simply a metaphor, so as not so say "London" explicitly. as for the phrase 'half-life time'. i can't offhand remember the very first line of dante's 'inferno', but i'm sure it mentiones something like that, possibly presisely that. what he means there (this ties in later, you'll see) is that the whole inferno business happens in the year 1300, when he turned 35 and had so gone halfway through his 'life time', which was then considered to last for 70 years. this is not my interpretation, i've read it in some expert analysis. relation to imaginos: 'inferno' (some equivalent of it) begins halfway through his life. reminiscent of the opening lines of D&S, isn't it? all hell breaks loose, the old gods return, what not. half his life he was 'just getting ready, then it was time'. but as i said, i refuse to treat these other songs as proper imaginos songs (see 8) 11. "over the side" (from WoTT) cannot possibly refer to his drowning! they didn't PUSH him over the side (!?), they *left* him for dead on the beach. 'over the side' (I might have explained this one a bit better, too) refers to the New World. in the Geocentric idea of the world, after the discovery of the New World, it was thought that the Old World was on one 'side' of the world, and that the New World was on the 'other side', beyond the horizon. 'corner' i'm not sure about, but the rest of it is prettymuch there. there is btw a comic, Hagar the terrible, something like that. he's a viking, and there are lots of pics of his ship moving over to a different 'side over the world'. 12. ah yes, the new hampshire reference. it refers to ME. i moved to new hampshire in august, three weeks ago, to attend college. 13. i don't think there's the possibility of a 'back to the future' situation with Imaginos jumping back to the 16th century and so on. he was 'a man on a mission'. the most he did against the orders was the 'lesser birds' thing, he would depart and arrive on the same day, his & his granddaughter's birthday (another Tolkien connection, cf. Bilbo & Frodo!) 14. i do actually believe in this "he woke up and discovered it was all a dream" idea, as John calls it. now that i've come up with it, nothing else seems convincing. if it's not true, what is the significance of the (name) Magna of illusion? and, connected with this, i actually can see Pearlman writing all this back in the sixties, and thinking "oh, how they will all end up looking like idiots in the end. AND i'm gonna make lots of money on them" etc. well it didn't come out that way in regards to 'imaginos' maybe, but you get the picture. 15. as for port jefferson, well, if anyone has the lyris at least, please post! ditto for "gil blanco county" - isn't that the one related to Shadow of Cal. ? there you go - till the next 'sortie', Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 18 17:03:15 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:03:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 2 - WoTT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > I am a sailor on the raging depths > And I know a thing or two > Back to the corner, mates, and over the side > Yes, I know a thing or two > > mates=his friends; over the side = ? > > heh. Are you referring to Del Rio, *before*, or Desdinova, *after* the > resurrection? Either way, it seems to me excessive to devote an entire song > to such explanation. *Before*, there was so much unknown, unclear to him, > that not much could be 'explained'; *after*, so much is explained in "Blue > Oyster Cult". What's more, there was the BOC Reprise, which, as I've been > told, is really only another version of BOC. I take this was an attempt to > 'underline' BOC (the song), thus making the additional explanatory song even > more unnecessary. Well, I was meaning Desdinova shortly after the revelation - on the way to the mirror maybe. If the mirror is as you suggest implied by telescope then perhaps it is indeed Dee, but Desdinova in the opposite role. Or perhaps you're right and I'm right and Desdinova is Drake! Hey, we could do this for years :-) > But I may be wrong of course. Actually here's the FAQ listing: > > Act One: The Imaginos album we're familiar with. > Act Two: Bombs over Germany > Workshop Of The Telescopes > The Girl That Love Made Blind * > ME 262 > The Red And The Black > Cities On Flame ** > Shadow Of California > Half-Life Time + > Veteran Of The Psychic Wars ++ > Career Of Evil ++ > Act Three: The Mutant Reformation > Take Me Away ++ > The Vigil ++ > ETI > R. U. Ready 2 Rock > Heavy Metal > Flaming Telepaths > Gil Blanco County * > Redeemed > > Note WoTT at the beginning of Act 2, and Flaming Telepaths toward the end. > If we take this to be a *trilogy* in a strict sense, then each unit (Act) > must be to some extent self-sufficient. In that sense, WoTT might be placed > there (at the beginning of Act 2) to sort of explain the background of the > story, for those who haven't heard Act 1. I've just thought of this. But I > don't know, things sorta fall into place my way. In the other FAQ listing, > for the 'full' version of the 1st act, as intended by Albert, there's no > mention of WoTT. In that listing, however, the 1st act includes also Gil > Blanco County, The Girl that love made blind, and Half-life time. Maybe in > that case there is more need of 'explanation' at the beginning of Act II? I > haven't heard these songs yet, but I'm planning to, via a fellow boc-l-er. > So I may have more on those later. Yes, I've always taken, from Al's posts, that `Girl That Love Made Blind' and `Gil Blanco County' were meant to be on the actual album but didn't make it. The position of WotT at the beginning of Act II _is_ interesting. I'm reminded of the screed from the _Secreta Treaties_ sleeve about pacts made with supernatural forces. If you're right and WotT is a dialogue (which I'm still not convinced of) then there's another possible place for it. > As for Flaming Telepaths: towards the end of his life, in the second half of > the 20th century, he realizes how pointless everything's been (see the end > of my bit on Magna), and he says to himself, or imagines the gods saying: > "and the joke's on you!" > > Doesn't it tie in nicely? Yes, but I prefer to take your reading my way :-) The Desdinova of the now, scarred and tracked from attempts to sorcerously realise immortality, laughing at his crowds of believers for whom he has no answer. > >And isn't Haiti referred to as the world's > >axis in the _Imaginos_ sleeve notes? > > I don't remember! Is it? Well, now I check, only sort of. In the summary of the songs at the end, it reads: `Les Invisibles': Haiti, still a dream world, the seat of Les Invisibles; "along the world axis/the empress lay sleeping/to the rhyme/of the star clock; this world is their world..."' I'm pretty sure the latter half of the quote isn't actually lyrics from the song but the association seems to be there. > but it can't be the same mirror! His mirror is in the British Museum.(And > when I was in London, I forgot I was going to go and see it!) Sorry, I didn't mean it was the same mirror, I just meant that it's finding a mirror to susbtantiate the one in the story with. Drawing a connection which probably isn't there but sounds pretty spooky, like most of _Illuminatus!_ :-) > I've also said (I think in "Imaginos") that there's no real connection > between the 16th century episode and the 19th century episodes. Basically we > only have "Salamander Drake" to go on. The only explanation I see for this > is the one I've written. Could it be "`drake', as in, short for mandrake? All the salamander stuff sounds pretty tonuge of bat and eye of frog to me. Perhaps WotT is Desdinova and Dee in communication across time through the mirrors... > Again: I may be wrong, Johnny You've definitely got a case, as long as there _is_ actually a coherent story in mind, but I like some alternatives you don't, and vice versa :-) Fun this, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Sep 18 17:17:36 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:17:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > I've thought about all this. My conclusion was that there is simply too > little to go on for the remainder of the story. Note that Albert intended > (if he ever got to it) to put on the 2nd and 3rd part songs like "The Vigil" > and "Veteran", not written by Pearlman at all. I'd say there never really > was a definite, "final" version of the remainder of the story, beyond 1893. > There are hints such as Von Ondine - but what could possibly be his > importance? There definitely is *something*; if there ever were a second and > third album, the story definitely *would* have extended into the 20th > century; but trying to deduce what exactly would have happened is IMHO > pointless. Yeah, well, when Hawkwind did the Elric story they roped in several of their songs that happened to fit but were nothing to do with it. On the other hand I do agree that the third act at least is largely Al's imagination. But I think the fact that Pearlman was involved in most of the second act's songs suggests some kind of a plot was behind them. > > All these people are Imaginos - the body changes, but the mind is > >always the same. The character has to be awoken however. > > I've thought of this as well. But what is the point of this? How can he > profit from the knowledge of his previous incarnations. So little is in his > hands anyway. I dunno. Why does he have to agree to join the Cult in the first place? As you say he's already their creature. But he does anyway. I guess sometime he just gets self-knowledge. > When was Pearlman born? Around that time I'd say. All of the original band > members were born from '44 to '47. And Von Ondine was already a pilot in > '44. Now it's true Nazis enlisted children toward the very end of the war, > but this ... I don't know. :) No, you misunderstand me - Von Ondine dies - the spirit flies and a new Desdinova is born, reincarnation-like. > >it leads to `R U Ready to Rock?' and the musical > >manifestation of the Blue Oyster Cult themselves. In which case, who's > >Imaginos, well, uh... I wouldn't like to say, he might well be reading :-) > > believe it or not - I've thought of this as well! But what's 'he' doing? Well, given that I've never seen Al post to settle any of these debates, I'd say, enjoying it :-) But Act III looks awful like Desdinova did an ET and phoned home, doesn't it? > ps "I only live to be born again" can simply be a Christian belief. and yes, > I have thought of that. perhaps he doesn't remember his past so well in RU > Ready? Perhaps it's just not a very world-changing incarnation. I'd say there's no reason to bring Christianity into it at this late stage given the set the album sleeve takes against it as refusing to accept the world as it really is. I think he just means that the next one will be the real big role. Yours, Jon P.S As I said last one, I'm debating this fairly light-heartedly. I think that's the best way... -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 18 18:04:07 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:04:07 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 2 - WoTT Message-ID: >Hey, >we could do this for years :-) will it take you that long to figure out that I'm right? ;-) >I'm reminded of the screed from the _Secreta Treaties_ sleeve >about pacts made with supernatural forces. the old Rossignol bit? oh, don't tell me THAT is considered 'canonic'! btw, Secreta, huh? :-) > Yes, but I prefer to take your reading my way :-) The Desdinova of >the now, scarred and tracked from attempts to sorcerously realise >immortality, laughing at his crowds of believers for whom he has no >answer. > who's that? the... um, guy who's reading? did you mean something along those lines? > > >And isn't Haiti referred to as the world's > > >axis in the _Imaginos_ sleeve notes? > > > > I don't remember! Is it? > >'still a dream world, the seat >of Les Invisibles'; yes, now I remember. well I suppose you could argue that Haiti is in fact the world axis because of the occurence of the word "dream" here and "sleeping" in the line "the Empress lay sleeping". but I don't know, the Imperatrix obviously refers to E1. That's why I don't think the Haiti thing is 'right'. > Could it be "`drake', as in, short for mandrake? All the >salamander stuff sounds pretty tonuge of bat and eye of frog to >me. but that's just what it is - Dee was an astrologer, basically a magician. _he_ believed in this sort of stuff and it's natural for him to speak in such terms. >Perhaps WotT is Desdinova and Dee in communication across time >through the mirrors... hm. and perhaps there's a link to "Mirrors": "a mirror is a negative space" a-ha! a black hole! (I seem to remember from the old Imaginos discussion, at which time I wasn't a boc-l-ite, there was a lot of talk about black holes. where did you people come up with that???) Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Sep 18 18:12:37 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:12:37 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos: in reply to everything Message-ID: > Hi folks, > > this is an attempt to reply to every post I can think of. I will later > re-read all of today's posts to see if I've missed something. > > 1. First, I checked all the lyrics with the fanclub website > before I posted > the thing. "mimic cry" in particular, imho, is not that > difficult to make > out on the cd, and it makes sense, in my interpret. at least. Well, as I understood it, those lyrics are from fans ears and not 'official' (I could be wrong here) and so are open to mistake (indeed, the 'official BOC lyrics' which I sent away for oh those many years ago were riddled with mistakes as well). However, as I said, I believe in this case I was proven wrong in a previous discussion by Al himself. Still, I hear what I hear... "Mimic cry" makes little sense to me so I hear it the way *I* would have wrote it (grin). JB From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 18 18:18:34 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:34 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie Message-ID: > I dunno. Why does he have to agree to join the Cult in the first >place? I've just remembered something, that i should've written in the previous post, in regards to the Secreta Treaties :) quote. Obviously that's about the 'deal' made between Imaginos (although why should be given the title of Foreign Minister is beyond me) and the oyster boyz (the Ambassadors from Plutonia, the ?'land' of Les Invisibles). btw he decides _not to_ join the Cult. he wants to die as a human, and later finds out the choice had already been made for him. >- Von Ondine dies - the spirit flies and >a new Desdinova is born, reincarnation-like. he dies? is this in the song? and btw this reincarnation ... i don't know. not convincing. AND as I've said, songs like D+S, ME262 and the rest, can't be seriously scrutinized. >But Act III looks awful like Desdinova >did an ET and phoned home, doesn't it? ha? et = extra time? I don't get it! (but I bet I'll be saying "d'oh!" soon) >I'd say >there's no reason to bring Christianity into it at this late stage given >the set the album sleeve takes against it as refusing to accept the world >as it really is. oh, I know that. I thought of it at that moment, I didn't know what to write to look RUR2R seem uncanonical. i don't really seriously believe that... P.S As I said last one, I'm debating this fairly light-heartedly. I think >that's the best way... well, me too! my 'serious' view is, in short, this: as I said in the Magna bit, most loose threads CAN be connected, to the point where most people at least agree that "there may be something to it"; however, because of the "and the joke's on you" thing, which I'm glad to say most people seem to have digested, I don't think it _deserves_ such serious scrutiny, theological discussion etc., such as the one that from time to time goes on at alt.fan.tolkien. example: the Orcs - were they a)soulless automatons, b) brainwashed, c) genetically modified, or d)even wilder theories! i don't think that sort of thing fits Imaginos. most of my explanations are actually tangential stuff like the FWB. the main 'story', the plot of everything, is still in outlines. and there's no reason to suppose it ever went beyond that. Johnny is now going to dinner, and his friends are waiting for him _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Sep 18 18:30:04 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:30:04 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos - One more interpretation Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:43 -0400, "John A. Swartz" wrote: >All this *Imaginos* stuff has gotten me to thinking - and in the spirit >of how we don't know the extent of how the *Imaginos* story might >permeate through various other BOC songs, I give you an interpretation >of one of the final songs in the *Imaginos* cycle, "Burnin' For You". ;-) Uh ... weren't those lyrics written by Richard Meltzer, though, and not Pearlman? (but then again, "Career of Evil" is a Patti Smith lyric, so would it be safe to say that those two were in cahoots with Sandy and Al, too? Or does that just tie in with the different-individuals-as-different-incarnations-of-a-single-consciousness-wo rking-towards-a-common-goal theme?) >"And the joke's . . . On YOU!" oh yeah, that's right. nevermind. ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Sep 18 19:17:52 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:17:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkestra Message-ID: Found a relatively cheap B&B near Hyde Park (Cheapest one I could find was $89.00(US) per night. Anyone from the UK know if this is very far from Brixton, or if it would be a pain in the butt to get to the Hawkestra Event from there? From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 18 20:27:47 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:27:47 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos: in reply to everything Message-ID: >Well, as I understood it, those lyrics are from fans ears and not >'official' >(I could be wrong here) and so are open to mistake I don't think there would be the copyright stated there, if that were the case. >(indeed, the 'official >BOC lyrics' which I sent away for oh those many years ago were riddled with >mistakes as well). precisely - many years ago. >"Mimic cry" makes little sense to me mimic = silent. the lyrics (=decimal chains) need the music for their power, like Elric needs Stormbringer. >so I hear it the way *I* would have >wrote it (grin). written it (grin ear - ear) ;-) Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Sep 18 13:02:37 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:02:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? Message-ID: Sorry to say this,but I've alreay posted regarding to this item about a month ago and yes it's the "Yuri Gagarin" all over again although with nice artwork and a cd-video reladed to the artwork on the sleeve.NO hawkwind live! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? > Hi Folks, > > Anyone heard of this CD. Seen it advertised in a magazine and I must admit > i've never heard of it. > is it one of those god awful "text of festival" type issues/reissues thanks > Dave Anderson... NOT) > Or is it a bootleg worthy of buying ( only got one bootleg - Live at the > Bottom line ) > > Any info greatly accepted . > > Cheers & see you all at the gig... I do hope the Man straps on his acoustic > and plays Hurry on Sundown... > > Love & Peace > iain From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Sep 19 03:05:21 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:05:21 -0600 Subject: Off: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hey folx, this discussion was a bit ago, and I failed to keep the memory intact!! What's these guys new one titled again? I think Keith Henderson mentioned this.... but my memory is skipping at this point in the day! Rock onPam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: That's central, it'll be fine. Shouldn't be more than half an hour even even if you have to change tubes. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tom Clark > Sent: 19 September 2000 00:18 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Hawkestra > > > Found a relatively cheap B&B near Hyde Park (Cheapest one I > could find was > $89.00(US) per night. Anyone from the UK know if this is very > far from Brixton, > or if it would be a pain in the butt to get to the Hawkestra > Event from there? > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Tue Sep 19 04:46:44 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:46:44 +0200 Subject: HW:off to London Message-ID: Sorry Jill,your e-mail came through when I was already in London so couldn't check it out. filip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:14 PM Subject: Re: HW:off to London > Filip > > If you get a chance could you check out the hotel situation in the > Clapham area - particularly the Parkside Hotel 48-52 Clapham Common > North side - or any other likely looking places? > > ta > jill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Jill Strobridge > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Filip Vanhuyse > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:14 PM > Subject: HW:off to London > > > Hello all, > > Just to let you know,I'm off tomorrow to London till the 19th. > Will do some mega-Hawkwind-shopping while being there as > my wife Frieda granted me ?250 to spend on Hawkwind and related stuff. > Now that's my kind of girl !! > Only been informed by this,this evening. > Normal,I'm on a budget,aren't we all? > > So for trades,etc.,please wait till after the 19th,ok? > > best wishes > filip hawknut From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Tue Sep 19 05:02:36 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:02:36 +0200 Subject: Brixton || badges || accomadation Message-ID: Well Michael, The hotel is certainly there,because I stayed there last week. You should try again or maybe send a fax? best wishes filip ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: Brixton || badges || accomadation Hi fellow Hawksouls In a couple of weeks I will post an email with a list of all the names that I have collected wanting a Name badge to give every one an opportunity to get one. I have the facilities to make these myself now (professionally) so late requests will be accepted up untill 15th of October. I fly out on the 17th october. I have been trying to contact motels without success so far. For example the Ebeneezer is out. and the one Filip mentioned recently have not been answering? Can any one help meh out here? Looking forward to meeting you all at the pub on the big day! Oh - just to change the subject slightly - is any one here going to the RED DWARF convention in November? 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FoFP From nick at NETPHD.NET Tue Sep 19 09:23:07 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:23:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos In-Reply-To: <39C62D2F.7A67F651@mitre.org> Message-ID: > I saw the marks ON YOUR hands - I saw the blood on your coffee cup" > > I've seen some fans interpret the husband to be a very sinister person - > abusing his wife by only injuring her on the hands - a sort of torture > if you will. Personally, I've always believed this to be a subtle improvement on Eric's part. See, a woman who is trying to hide abuse and lie about it to protect her husband -- or in many cases herself -- will try to cover up all remnants of said abuse -- turtlenecks, long sleeves, sunglasses, cover makeup, etc. However, two places that would be difficult to cover would be the hands and the inside of the mouth. While having a drink, it would seem that a cut inside her mouth left some blood on her cup. And as for the hands, you can't very well go around wearing mittens everywhere. . . and cover makeup would surely rub off given the fact that we're constantly using our hands. Much more subtle and intelligent. . . and less clunky than the Shirley version, if you ask me. Who in the world says things like, "I saw the marks of his hands"??? Then again, I doubt I'll get any replies defending a Shirley lyric. :) --Nick From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 19 10:13:22 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:13:22 EDT Subject: Off: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: ' A PERFECT MYSTERY' Bill From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Sep 19 10:54:55 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:54:55 -0600 Subject: Off: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Thank you!! Pam Bill Stewart wrote: > ' A PERFECT MYSTERY' > > Bill -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > >Well, as I understood it, those lyrics are from fans ears and not > >'official' > >(I could be wrong here) and so are open to mistake > > I don't think there would be the copyright stated there, if > that were the > case. > > >(indeed, the 'official > >BOC lyrics' which I sent away for oh those many years ago > were riddled with > >mistakes as well). > > precisely - many years ago. My point was that though those lyric sheets were from the band (or its management) itself, they still had mistakes, so too could the Imaginos lyrics. Regardless, the lyrics I got off the site once upon a time had the warning mentioned above. Perhaps this has changed. > > > >"Mimic cry" makes little sense to me > > mimic = silent. the lyrics (=decimal chains) need the music > for their power, > like Elric needs Stormbringer. Mimic = to resemble closely, to mock. Either way, I still don't get it. I'm not possessed of a poetic mind, however. > > >so I hear it the way *I* would have > >wrote it (grin). > > written it (grin ear - ear) ;-) Thanks for the english lesson. In informal writing, I write the way I speak, for the most part. Higher education is a wonderful thing, isn't it? JB From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Sep 19 11:42:56 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:42:56 -0400 Subject: URL correction & additional information for 9/29-10/1 shows In-Reply-To: SLOTERDIJK@webtv.net (SLOTERDIJK)'s message of Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reminder 1 of 2: http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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(c)IAO D'I hope not'+R From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Sep 19 14:37:34 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:37:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: b&bs in london Message-ID: Hey folks, anyone have any experience with b&b services in london? athomeinlondon.co.uk and www.host-guest.co.uk both got back to me with possible places to stay for the hawkestra, and now I'm trying to decide which one to go with. anyone have good or negative reviews? Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 19 14:42:22 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:42:22 +0100 Subject: Magma dates In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > The Magma concerts at Newcastle on Thursday and Glasgow on Friday have = > been cancelled by the promotor. Bummer. What's the deal for reclaiming ticket money? FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 19 19:32:08 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:32:08 +0100 Subject: Magma dates Message-ID: No, this is purely a UK happening - it does not effect anywhere else and the London concert tomorrow (or later on today to be precise) will take place also - purely UK's provinces losing out yet again to promotors with 'cold feet'. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Magma dates > Hi, > > >The Magma concerts at Newcastle on Thursday and Glasgow on Friday have > >been cancelled by the promotor. > > Will the other European gigs (especially the only German one) be cancelled, > too? > > (c)IAO > > D'I hope not'+R From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 19 19:33:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:33:36 +0100 Subject: Magma dates Message-ID: Go to point of purchase for full refund - any problem, then let me know and I'll try and point you towards a helpful person. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Magma dates > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > The Magma concerts at Newcastle on Thursday and Glasgow on Friday have = > > been cancelled by the promotor. > > Bummer. > > What's the deal for reclaiming ticket money? > > FoFP From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 19 20:00:45 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:00:45 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos: in reply to everything Message-ID: > > >so I hear it the way *I* would have > > >wrote it (grin). > > > > written it (grin ear - ear) ;-) > >Thanks for the english lesson. In informal writing, I write the way I >speak, >for the most part. Higher education is a wonderful thing, isn't it? yep... and if english was your 2nd language (like it is mine), you'd speak very bookishly... Johnny ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Sep 19 20:19:16 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:19:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Artist's Glowing, Live Rabbit Creation Causes Fuss Message-ID: How about a few of these hopping around the Hawkestra stage? Wild! I'm off tonight to see Gong. ;) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/rabbit000918.html -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 19 21:37:18 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:07:18 +0930 Subject: Brixton || badges || accomadation Message-ID: Hi Filip Sorry I would have emailed you but I thought you were still in London How did the trip go? Cheers Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Brixton || badges || accomadation Well Michael, The hotel is certainly there,because I stayed there last week. You should try again or maybe send a fax? best wishes filip ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: Brixton || badges || accomadation Hi fellow Hawksouls In a couple of weeks I will post an email with a list of all the names that I have collected wanting a Name badge to give every one an opportunity to get one. I have the facilities to make these myself now (professionally) so late requests will be accepted up untill 15th of October. I fly out on the 17th october. I have been trying to contact motels without success so far. For example the Ebeneezer is out. and the one Filip mentioned recently have not been answering? Can any one help meh out here? Looking forward to meeting you all at the pub on the big day! Oh - just to change the subject slightly - is any one here going to the RED DWARF convention in November? 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AND PREPARE FOR LAUNCH !!!!!!!....... ++MESSAGE ENDS++ From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 20 18:06:17 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:06:17 +0800 Subject: ++Something Magical is About To Happen++ Message-ID: In one word EXCELLENT Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Rx" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: ++Something Magical is About To Happen++ > ++ATTENTION STAR WARRIORS++ > > ::: SOMETHING MAGICAL IS HAPPENING IN DEEP SPACE ::::: > > POINT YOUR EARTHWEB BROWSERS TO WWW.HAWKWIND.ORG.UK > AT 10PM LOCAL UK TIME ON WEDNESDAY 20TH SEP 2000............... > > AND PREPARE FOR LAUNCH !!!!!!!....... > > ++MESSAGE ENDS++ > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 21 03:07:33 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:37:33 +0930 Subject: Mission Control Message-ID: I guess everyone has checked out the new look of MISSION CONTROL lately? 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Wha-appened-ed-ed? FoFP From IainFerguson at CS.COM Thu Sep 21 09:44:07 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:44:07 EDT Subject: ++Something Magical is About To Happen++ Message-ID: Go to the Web site and see for yourself , Its a great looking site.... Iain From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 21 12:23:50 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:23:50 EDT Subject: HW Lyrics for 'The Demented Man' Message-ID: I was just checking out the new Hawkwind Mission Control site. Very Nice! They also list official lyrics. "The questions asked but never known/the feeling governs which way I'll go . . ." Huh, no 'penny gobbers' after all. Joe Loehr From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Sep 21 12:32:22 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:22 -0400 Subject: ++Something Magical is About To Happen++ In-Reply-To: <200009200227.WAA19922@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: WOW Now that great work Can't imagine how long it took Good work _______________________ Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." - Winston Churchill >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Rik Rx >Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:27 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: ++Something Magical is About To Happen++ > > >++ATTENTION STAR WARRIORS++ > >::: SOMETHING MAGICAL IS HAPPENING IN DEEP SPACE ::::: > >POINT YOUR EARTHWEB BROWSERS TO WWW.HAWKWIND.ORG.UK >AT 10PM LOCAL UK TIME ON WEDNESDAY 20TH SEP 2000............... > >AND PREPARE FOR LAUNCH !!!!!!!....... > >++MESSAGE ENDS++ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 21 17:10:03 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:10:03 +0100 Subject: HW Lyrics for 'The Demented Man' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Joe Loehr writes > >Huh, no 'penny gobbers' after all. Hee! -- Jon From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Sep 21 17:37:04 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:37:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Update Message-ID: looks good to me good see the band and kris sorting out the official website 'bout time colm -----Original Message----- From: Chris Warburton To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 21 September 2000 10:24 Subject: HW: Mission Control Update GGG RRR OOO OOO V V Y Y !! G G R R O O O O V V Y Y !! G R R O O O O V V Y Y !! G GG RRRR O O O O V V Y !! G G R R O O O O V V Y GGG R R OOO OOO V Y !! ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Sep 21 18:01:38 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:01:38 EDT Subject: HW Lyrics for 'The Demented Man' Message-ID: In a message dated 9/21/00 12:44:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM writes: > I was just checking out the new Hawkwind Mission Control site. Very Nice! > They also list official lyrics. > > "The questions asked but never known/the feeling governs which way I'll go . > . ." > > Huh, no 'penny gobbers' after all. > Oh, is this more official than the "Maybe God knows..." theory? ach...I'd just as well not know... Chuck, whose friend still really likes the songs "Soda Machine" and "Tommy Lives". From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Sep 21 19:44:25 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:14:25 +0930 Subject: HW: Mission Control Update Message-ID: HW: Mission Control UpdateDitto!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: HW: Mission Control Update GGG RRR OOO OOO V V Y Y !! G G R R O O O O V V Y Y !! G R R O O O O V V Y Y !! G GG RRRR O O O O V V Y !! G G R R O O O O V V Y GGG R R OOO OOO V Y !! ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Thu Sep 21 23:22:10 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:22:10 +1100 Subject: HW:Harvey & ARK Message-ID: Hi just been looking through the Canterbury site and under Harry Williamson, he mentions playing with ARK including Harvey Bainbridge & Andy Anderson. Whether this was before the line-up that transformed in to the Sonic Assassins who knows ? regards Marty From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Sep 22 09:37:25 2000 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:25 +0200 Subject: HW: brixton; anybody travelling from norway? Message-ID: hei! anybody here from norway, travelling to the brixton hawk/head shows? give me an email, ok? beste hilsener, ketil, bergen, norway From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 22 10:42:27 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:42:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Well, I got to see Circle play live twice this week. The Detroit show was nice, but too short and the sound system wasn't so powerful and the music was missing something. And the club was in the most awful slum I've ever seen. Holy Jesus, what a nasty place...and only about a mile from Comerica Park (before the show, I took a very dangerous walk over there to watch some of the WhiteSox-Tigers game from outside the fence.) But in Pittsburgh the show was excellent! They played almost an hour (sorry folks, that seems to be all they're willing to do...and I tried to persuade them to play longer), and it was a completely different set. (Maybe two songs were the same....so if you like them at Knitting Factory and want more, go to Brownies on the 25th, and you'll get a different set I'm sure!) With the better PA in PA, they were much more 'edgy' and driving. Fabulous. Plus, I got to talk to Jussi Lehtisalo, the leader/bassist/vocalist at length and he's a very cool and amazingly knowledgable guy! And his English is very good. He's the one with the big round head, very short hair, and thin pointy goatee. The lineup is... Jussi Lehtisalo - Bass, "Speaking-in-Tongues" vocals Jyrki Laiho - Guitar (longer dark hair) Teemu Elo - Guitar (shorter dark hair) Teemu Niemela - Keyboards (a single mini-moog...all they were able to bring) Janne Peltomaki - Drums (different drumkit every night...must be fun!) They should be selling several different CDs at the shows. Not sure what they'll have left by the time they get to you, but 'Pori' (from 1998, just released in America on Feldspar Records, run by Stephanie who will be the one selling them) and the brand new 'Prospekt' should be available. Either one of these (or both) is a good bet (Pori is perhaps my favorite) and at $10 a real bargain (half what you'd normally pay). Here's the remainder of the tour schedule, now updated for western dates...always check with the venue or local papers to confirm! Grakkl (FAA) September... 22: New York City - Knitting Factory (74 Leonard Street) With Oval 23: Providence, RI ? Fort Thunder (75 Eagle St) 10pm 24: Easthampton, MA ? Flywheel (2 Holyoke St) With Landing, Ticket Price: $5 25: NYC - Brownies (Ave A btw 10th and 11th) With The Birdwatcher 27: Baltimore - Ottobar 28: Boston - Milky Way (not confirmed) 29: travel to the West Coast October 1: Portland, OR - Satyricon - n/c 2: Seattle - Rainbow 4: San Diego - Casbah 5: LA - n/c (word has it that Knitting Factory West is the place) 7: San Francisco - Bottom of the Hill (should be with Village of Savoonga) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 22 10:59:49 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: Oops... Forgot to mention that the live Circle show (recorded last Saturday) is to be broadcast on WNUR (89.5 FM) in Evanston, IL (north Chicago) on *this* Saturday on the Airplay show (4-7 PM Central time), reportedly in the first hour (i.e., 4-5 PM, or 5-6 PM EDT). It is also supposed to be available (live at least) by RealAudio on their site at www.wnur.org I'd still be interested in trading for a cassette recording (any high-bias variety is fine) of this live show, snagged off the airwaves. Or if not, at least the RealAudio version if someone has the capability/knowhow to handle that. I know Karen K. is planning to try, but I gathered her confidence was not 100%. That's all...Grakkl (FAA) From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Sep 22 12:48:45 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:48:45 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Angels of Death (VINYL LP) RCA Records Message-ID: hi I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. Going through my vinyl collection i found an album by Hawkwind called "Angels of Death" its all in grey with a black and white drawing of some angels of death on horses back carrying syths. It seems to be a collection of Hawkwind material that originally came out on the three RCA albums hawkwind did. Is it worth anything? Its in very good condition and is dated 1986. thanks colm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 22 13:27:32 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:27:32 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: Sept. issue: Aural Innovations Message-ID: http://Aural-Innovations.com The September issue of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online. Aural Innovations covers spacerock, psychedelia, electronic music, plus lots of "out there" jazz and progressive rock. If you've sent review material in the past few months we're catching up quickly so bear with us. But feel free to check in for the status of your review if you like. The new issue includes: Dr Brown review and interview Ozric Tentacles interview Nik Turner interview Strange Daze 2000 SpaceRock Festival coverage (plus photo gallery) 4th Annual German Hawkfan Festival coverage Sweden Rock Show 2000 covereage Roskilde Festival 2000 coverage Clearlight reviews and Clearlight 888 Music Label Profile Reviews of recent releases from Slutfish Records, Two Ohm Hop, Cavity Search Records, Misra, Swamp Room Records, and Musea/Gazul Plus loads of general reviews!!! We also have several Aural Innovations Radio shows in streaming RealAudio. Check them out to listen to online or download. Aural Innovations also has a small but growing CD mail order catalog. Our stock includes releases by Mr Quimby's Beard, Afresco Mantis, The Rabbit's Hat, Krom Lek, Census Of Hallucinations, Quarkspace, National Steam, JFK Jr Royal Airforce, W.O.O. Revelator, World Of Tomorrow, Ernesto Diaz Infante & Rotcod Zzaj, The Imaginary Band, Music From The Future, The Moondance Experiment, Krel, Spaceship Eyes, Spacehead, Escape Velocity, plus numerous releases from the Garden of Delights reissue label. COMING SOON: Analog Hi-Fi Surprise from Mushroom, one of the most exciting instrumental space, psych, jazz fusion bands in the world. Think late 70's Miles mixed with Soft Machine and the best of the jamming Krautrock bands. Should be in the catalog within the week. ALSO... we will have a limited number of copies of the double-LP version of Analog Hi-Fi Surprise which includes tracks not on the CD, one a side long. We'll also have a limited number of copies of the recent Mushroom LP, part of the Aether Vinyl Series limited to 450 numbered copies. We'll only have a few copies of both these LP's so they aren't likely to make it to the regular catalog. Email us at orders at aural-innovations.com if you are interested. In the meantime, you can read several Mushroom reviews that appeared in Aural Innovations, including an interview, at http://aural innovations.com/issues/artists.html#mushroom All the above can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations SpaceRock e-zine http://Aural-Innovations.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 22 14:07:20 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control tidbits Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Just saw the new Mission Control page...I like the design. Noticed a few interesting remarks in the news section. >>Richard, Jerry, and Rizz are back from the USA after their short tour! Short tour?! I'll say! :) >> A documentary by the BBC is in the pipeline Hmmmm...a la Spinal Tap? or Behind the Music? (Is there really a difference?) >>Ron Tree plays at Glastonbury 2000 using the Death Generator (upsets a few people) Didn't anyone see this? First I'd heard of it. What do they mean - Death Generator? That old Robot thing he had used on a previous tour? What people were upset? Side note: In the most recent Goldmine (with Jimi Hendrix on the cover), there's a onepage article about Nik/Sphynx by Cleopropagandist Dave Thompson that mentions Nik playing all night at Glastonbury and pissing off the promoters...so perhaps the Hawkwind ban may be more real than rumour. Especially if Ron is now causing trouble. :) >>New 2 disc release of Live Chronicles...bonus disc includes 14 live tracks Are these live tracks that haven't been released before? What gig(s)? Grakkl (FAA) From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Sep 22 15:59:40 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:59:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Mission Control tidbits Message-ID: > >>Ron Tree plays at Glastonbury 2000 using the Death Generator (upsets a few > people) > > Didn't anyone see this? First I'd heard of it. What do they mean - Death > Generator? That old Robot thing he had used on a previous tour? What > people were upset? I recall an interview with Dave where he explained that the Death Generator is a device specially made for the band which has ten separate audio generators/oscillators that interact with each other, for a truly bizarre and mind-bending soundscape. There were those plans to have the "Hawkwind versus the Death Generator" concept album but that has been scrapped ages ago as far as I know. John Majka From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Sep 22 16:33:29 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:33:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control tidbits Message-ID: if your reading this dave brock please bring the death generator to the hawkestra show, i would really love to hear it colm -----Original Message----- From: flossbac To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 22 September 2000 21:03 Subject: Re: HW: Mission Control tidbits >> >>Ron Tree plays at Glastonbury 2000 using the Death Generator (upsets a >few >> people) >> >> Didn't anyone see this? First I'd heard of it. What do they mean - Death >> Generator? That old Robot thing he had used on a previous tour? What >> people were upset? > >I recall an interview with Dave where he explained that the Death Generator >is a device specially made for the band which has ten separate audio >generators/oscillators that interact with each other, for a truly bizarre >and mind-bending soundscape. There were those plans to have the "Hawkwind >versus the Death Generator" concept album but that has been scrapped ages >ago as far as I know. >John Majka > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Sep 22 20:35:08 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:35:08 -0500 Subject: HW: extra brixton ticket Message-ID: hey folks, I've suddenly found myself in possession of a spare brixton ticket, if someone wants to buy it from me. arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Hawkwinded at AOL.COM Fri Sep 22 20:38:21 2000 From: Hawkwinded at AOL.COM (Dave Hess) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:38:21 -0400 Subject: Hi list Message-ID: Hi everyone just I joined the list. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Sep 23 02:32:01 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:32:01 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind - Angels of Death (VINYL LP) RCA Records Message-ID: Hello Colm, Well,if it's the UK one I should say some ?8-?10. Not that rare. I've got a German one. If you sell the UK one.I would be interested. Anyway there excist a big tour-poster with the artwork from that lp. Got that one too. best wishes filip ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Hawkwind - Angels of Death (VINYL LP) RCA Records > hi > I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. Going through my vinyl > collection i found an album by Hawkwind called "Angels of Death" its all in > grey with a black and white drawing of some angels of death on horses back > carrying syths. It seems to be a collection of Hawkwind material that > originally came out on the three RCA albums hawkwind did. Is it worth > anything? Its in very good condition and is dated 1986. > > thanks > > colm From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Sep 23 06:51:31 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:21:31 +0930 Subject: Badges Message-ID: The Hawkestra Badges have been pressed and look great. 57mm diameter The Name Badges will be a larger and I will do those soon. I will post my list of names in a week and a half or so - just in case anyone misses out I'll bring some over with space to write the names in with permanant ink Cool Brixton feels more & more real every morning I wake up Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 22 19:41:49 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:41:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control tidbits Message-ID: Naaahhh........no way - this is the CD with a 'best of' bonus disc of which some are live tracks from other albums. Fear not. oh yes.....and the new Tim Blake CD will be here and in stock on Monday or Tuesday at CD Services, for those that need to know. Andy Garibaldi. ==================== > >>New 2 disc release of Live Chronicles...bonus disc includes 14 live tracks > > Are these live tracks that haven't been released before? What gig(s)? > > Grakkl (FAA) From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Sep 23 11:19:36 2000 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:19:36 +0100 Subject: Brixton In-Reply-To: <200009211339.OAA28428@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Good Evening Everyone Good News my Hawkestra ticket arrived today please add me to the list of attendees I have lost count where we are now Much Happiness Brian From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 23 21:31:04 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:31:04 EDT Subject: Hi list Message-ID: In a message dated 9/22/00 11:57:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Hawkwinded at AOL.COM writes: << Hi everyone just I joined the list. >> Hi, Dave. "Please swallow your Blue Dreamer and put the helmet on your head." From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Sep 23 22:14:13 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:14:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: I got it!!! Anyone else? You can download it here as a Windows Media Audio file: http://sharehouse.nbci.com/dnload.php3?FILE_ID=487295 (there's some non-Circle stuff before and after the set so Circle won't be the first song you hear ...) Was able to record the stream on my computer using Voquette. http://www.voquette.com/ I did *not* find the software "user friendly" and almost gave up. Glad I hung in there. :) Still have to figure out how to convert it and burn it to CD for Keith. Any helpful hints? Karen K Henderson wrote: > > Oops... > > Forgot to mention that the live Circle show (recorded last Saturday) is to > be broadcast on WNUR (89.5 FM) in Evanston, IL (north Chicago) on *this* > Saturday > on the Airplay show (4-7 PM Central time), reportedly in the first hour > (i.e., 4-5 PM, or 5-6 PM EDT). It is also supposed to be available (live at > least) by RealAudio on their site at www.wnur.org > > I'd still be interested in trading for a cassette recording (any high-bias > variety is fine) of this live show, snagged off the airwaves. Or if not, at > least the RealAudio version if someone has the capability/knowhow to handle > that. I know Karen K. is planning to try, but I gathered her confidence was > not 100%. > > That's all...Grakkl (FAA) -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Sep 23 23:06:09 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:06:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Audio Converters Message-ID: Think I found a good audio converter for that Circle file. Shuffler Music Converter A User Opinion: "Shuffler is DummyProof!!!!" Shuffler Music Converter is SO EASY! Shuffler is a step-by-step program that could be used by anyone regardless of their IQ. And the best part of this program is that it is FREE!! http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1896417-100-1618913.html?tag=st.dl.1896417_106_3.lst.td_1618913 My kind of program! ;) Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Sep 23 23:30:29 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Audio Convertors Message-ID: Last message on this for today . . . Still need help with the conversion from .wma format. Appears that the file is "protected." Q. "Unable to load CODEC to convert...." A. If you are converting from a WMA file, then the file you are trying to convert is protected, (Shuffler Music Convertor) SMC is not allowed to convert these files. C'est la vie Karen Karen Kusic wrote: > > Think I found a good audio converter for that Circle file. > > Shuffler Music Converter > > A User Opinion: > "Shuffler is DummyProof!!!!" > Shuffler Music Converter is SO EASY! > Shuffler is a step-by-step program that could be used by anyone > regardless of their IQ. And the best part of this program is that it is > FREE!! > > http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1896417-100-1618913.html?tag=st.dl.1896417_106_3.lst.td_1618913 > > My kind of program! ;) > > Karen > > -- > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Sep 24 08:12:44 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:12:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: sorry to but in but i've used cool edit pro to record streaming audio into .wav files if thats any use? you need a large hardrive though to store the .wav file then you can convert the .wav to mp3 colm -----Original Message----- From: Karen Kusic To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 24 September 2000 03:13 Subject: Re: OFF: Circle Live >I got it!!! Anyone else? > >You can download it here as a Windows Media Audio file: > >http://sharehouse.nbci.com/dnload.php3?FILE_ID=487295 >(there's some non-Circle stuff before and after the set so Circle won't >be the first song you hear ...) > >Was able to record the stream on my computer using Voquette. >http://www.voquette.com/ > >I did *not* find the software "user friendly" and almost gave up. Glad >I hung in there. :) > >Still have to figure out how to convert it and burn it to CD for Keith. > >Any helpful hints? > >Karen > > >K Henderson wrote: >> >> Oops... >> >> Forgot to mention that the live Circle show (recorded last Saturday) is to >> be broadcast on WNUR (89.5 FM) in Evanston, IL (north Chicago) on *this* >> Saturday >> on the Airplay show (4-7 PM Central time), reportedly in the first hour >> (i.e., 4-5 PM, or 5-6 PM EDT). It is also supposed to be available (live at >> least) by RealAudio on their site at www.wnur.org >> >> I'd still be interested in trading for a cassette recording (any high-bias >> variety is fine) of this live show, snagged off the airwaves. Or if not, at >> least the RealAudio version if someone has the capability/knowhow to handle >> that. I know Karen K. is planning to try, but I gathered her confidence was >> not 100%. >> >> That's all...Grakkl (FAA) > >-- >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >- Frank Zappa > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Sep 24 09:02:18 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:02:18 +0200 Subject: HW:Archives CD-R question? Message-ID: Hiya, Could obtain a CD-R of the Hawklogs Master Series,no.2 called:"Archives". It can be seen on the Andrew Dawson site. Anyway,the 3rd number is:THE VISITATION LIVE (A HAWKWIND TRIBUTE) -Vanishing Point -Final Day -Masters Of The Universe Can anyone give more info? greetings filip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Sep 24 10:12:46 2000 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:12:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - "Invisibles" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: >WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" Ah, one of my favorite sports. Wish I had time to go over this entire text in depth, but.... [snip] >The "world axis" is the 0th meridian. Given the other occult references in the saga, a simpler interpretation is that this is the axis mundi of voudoun and alchemy, which points to the Pole Star. In alchemy, the axis mundi is guarded by the Seven Sisters, the seven bright stars of Ursa Major. This tradition of seven priestesses or female guardians goes back to the Egyptian Seven Hathors (who aided the dead through the seven spheres of the afterlife) and the seven Greek Oracles. The Arabians called them the Seven Sages. Ursa Major was also known, in Eastern Europe and Asia, as the throne of the Queen of Heaven. >On it lays the city of London, and in >it is "the Empress", Elizabeth I. The remainder of the first two verses plus >the chorus (the lines "Seven sleepers" to "Samedi and Petre, in Alchemy") Albert has said this line should be "Samedi the black man in alchemy." Baron Samedi, or Baron Cemetery, wears a dark tailcoat and tall hat. Those possessed by the Baron tell lewd jokes, wear dark glasses, smoke cigarettes or cigars, eat voraciously and drink copious amounts of alcohol. Samedi governs the preservation and renewal of life and protects the children. (Harper's Dictionary of Mystical and Paranormal Experience) Also known as Baron Saturday (which I'm told was a working title of RU Ready to Rock), his symbols are coffins and phalluses. The latter association reappears in Blue Oyster Cult's mention of Luxor, home of the ithyphallic god Min. >is all about occult stuff, pagan rituals etc.; topics such as these were rather >popular all over western Europe at the time As well as throughout the 1800s, the century which gave us the Order Rosae Crucis (Rosicrucians) and the Order of the Golden Dawn. The OGD, in turn, gave us the majority of prominent early modern occultists, including A. E. Waite (designer of the best-known Tarot deck), Israel Regardie, Aleister Crowley and W. B. Yeats. The period between WWI and WWII saw the publication of what may be the first book to include reports of out-of-body experiences witnessed by reliable people. During the period of 1919-1936, Betty White channeled a group of spirits she called "the Invisibles," and her husband published his records of her experiences in 1937. > - cf. Shakespeare's "Midsummer >night's dream" (Shakespeare was a contemporary of Elizabeth I). As for the >3rd verse, the "Four Quarters" probably means the four 'elements' (Earth, >Air - or Wind-, Fire, Water), a concept present in (and essential for) many >occult rituals. "Twinned in the mirror" could mean two things: a) that the >events foreseen by Dee &co. in the mirror actually started happening in the >'real world', or b) that they were the agents of this - what they learned >from looking into the mirror, they put into practice: so, the actual events >could later be said to have been 'twinned in the mirror'. Mirrors also trapped the souls of the dead, making it possible for gods like Samedi and Morrigan to facilitate the soul's rebirth. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Sep 24 10:25:58 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:25:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: Thanks for the cool edit pro info! Will check it out. I was able to convert the Circle .wma file with protection restrictions into a Real Media file at least. Might be easier to listen to in this format. (Won't help Keith without a soundcard at work though . . .) Listen here: http://claim.to/audio/circlelive.html Any other suggestions are still welcome. Did anyone else record the Circle show? Karen bedroom trancer wrote: > > sorry to but in but i've used cool edit pro to record streaming audio into > .wav files if thats any use? > > you need a large hardrive though to store the .wav file then you can convert > the .wav to mp3 > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Kusic > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 24 September 2000 03:13 > Subject: Re: OFF: Circle Live > > >I got it!!! Anyone else? > > > >You can download it here as a Windows Media Audio file: > > > >http://sharehouse.nbci.com/dnload.php3?FILE_ID=487295 > >(there's some non-Circle stuff before and after the set so Circle won't > >be the first song you hear ...) > > > >Was able to record the stream on my computer using Voquette. > >http://www.voquette.com/ > > > >I did *not* find the software "user friendly" and almost gave up. Glad > >I hung in there. :) > > > >Still have to figure out how to convert it and burn it to CD for Keith. > > > >Any helpful hints? > > > >Karen > > > > > >K Henderson wrote: > >> > >> Oops... > >> > >> Forgot to mention that the live Circle show (recorded last Saturday) is > to > >> be broadcast on WNUR (89.5 FM) in Evanston, IL (north Chicago) on *this* > >> Saturday > >> on the Airplay show (4-7 PM Central time), reportedly in the first hour > >> (i.e., 4-5 PM, or 5-6 PM EDT). It is also supposed to be available (live > at > >> least) by RealAudio on their site at www.wnur.org > >> > >> I'd still be interested in trading for a cassette recording (any > high-bias > >> variety is fine) of this live show, snagged off the airwaves. Or if not, > at > >> least the RealAudio version if someone has the capability/knowhow to > handle > >> that. I know Karen K. is planning to try, but I gathered her confidence > was > >> not 100%. > >> > >> That's all...Grakkl (FAA) > > > >-- > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > >deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > >- Frank Zappa > > -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sun Sep 24 11:52:20 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:52:20 -0400 Subject: Fwd: My BOC Pix Up At Last! Message-ID: Hello all..Found this fellow's memories on the net..I think they are interesting shots, especially of the Japanese Reptilian menace/savior... Peace, MIke http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: linzellr at my-deja.com Subject: My BOC Pix Up At Last! Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:09:35 GMT Size: 1029 URL: From swann at CUGC.ORG Sun Sep 24 13:04:02 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:04:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: music A->D conversion and cleanup In-Reply-To: <20000916130023.12887@cugc.org>; from Stephen Swann on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 01:00:23PM -0400 Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice on this subject. And now for a much more irrlelvant question: who knows of a cool CD-liner printing program for Win98? Preferably something relatively easy to use, I'm no graphic artist. :-) Thanks, Steve On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 01:00:23PM -0400, Stephen Swann wrote: > What software are you guys using to record old LPs to CD, and > eliminate crackle/hiss? And what are the pros and cons of the > software you've used? > > Thanks, > Steve From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Sep 24 16:12:27 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:12:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Stourbridge Message-ID: Hi, does anyone know of any cheap accommodation in the vicinity of the Stourbridge gig for next weekend? We're pretty certainly going, but I don't fancy the drive home after! Nick From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Sep 24 20:29:16 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:29:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: better Circle file Message-ID: Hi again! I was able to resave the RealAudio file so it contains just the 35 minute Circle set. 9MB down to 6MB. http://claim.to/audio/circlelive.html You can download or stream the show. Enjoy! Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 25 08:07:23 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:07:23 EDT Subject: Fwd: My BOC Pix Up At Last! In-Reply-To: <23846-39CE2334-4397@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: On 24 Sep 00, at 11:52, SLOTERDIJK wrote: > Hello all..Found this fellow's memories on the net..I think they are > interesting shots, especially of the Japanese Reptilian > menace/savior... > These pix are indeed a gas. Damn, I bet EB wishes he still had hair like that! Great seeing BD playing the Giuliano. Damn, I had a chance to get one once and passed on it. Suppose Giuli's out of business...Anyone know if he's still building? Also, when did BOC start using Marshalls? Saw BOC in August and was surprised to see the Marshalls. Anyone know which model they are? theo From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 25 15:40:10 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:40:10 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - "Invisibles" Message-ID: > >WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" > >Ah, one of my favorite sports. Wish I had time to go over this entire >text in depth, but.... > please do so when you have some time! [having read what you wrote:] OK... you make many interesting points in your post, mostly dealing with the occult references I largely passed over in my interpretation. This (passing over) was done largely because I quite frankly don't know the first thing about the study of the occult. What I think of the occult references in the story is prettymuch what I think about the spaceship references - I think that sort of thing belongs to less "serious", or "thrash" (as a style) songs, such as "Sole Survivor" or "Diz-busters". Also I much prefer the pleasure of unraveling the meaning behind a "conventionally" mysterious lyric, to the understanding of an occult reference. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for your insights (and would welcome more). I just prefer ordinary topics, they feel more "relevant" to me. I somehow can't think on the same plane about the "serious" topics (even though they may seem tangential) and the likes of pagan gods, or spaceships, no matter how important they are for the story. For example, I found the line "I'll sit myself behind that clock, and play tunes on its belfry" much more intriguing than "Recall the dream of Luxor, how fluids will arrive". Why am I saying all this? Because I've been told a few times that I skipped too much of the "interesting" stuff, and concentrated on the details. Well, I hope I explained myself here, and that people who wanted this stuff now have something to go on. Also, if anything of this is ever going to make it into the FAQ, more of the occult stuff should be explained. And also John's own shrewd insight into "Burnin' for you"! ok that was a joke. I didn't venture on analyzing the "left-off" songs because I found they contain too much of the occult (and related) material, and with no liner notes or anything I was basically stuck. SO can you or anyone else shed some light on the following: Palomino Injun Joe Alberdan -> especially I think this is important The fourth world The red virgins --> seem to perform a similar function as the oyster boys Areana, the northern sun I'm sure other folks would be interested as well... Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 25 16:38:56 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:38:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Stourbridge Message-ID: Hi, What gig? Who? Venue? etc etc Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:12 PM Subject: HW: Stourbridge > Hi, > > does anyone know of any cheap accommodation in the vicinity of the > Stourbridge gig for next weekend? We're pretty certainly going, but I don't > fancy the drive home after! > > Nick > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 25 16:57:38 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:57:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Stourbridge In-Reply-To: <000801c02730$a3098f00$402f883e@jezd> Message-ID: It's all on www.hawkwind.com/dates.htm, just scroll down a bit! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of J D > Sent: 25 September 2000 21:39 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Stourbridge > > > Hi, > What gig? > Who? > Venue? > etc etc > Jez > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Lee > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:12 PM > Subject: HW: Stourbridge > > > > Hi, > > > > does anyone know of any cheap accommodation in the vicinity of the > > Stourbridge gig for next weekend? We're pretty certainly going, but I > don't > > fancy the drive home after! > > > > Nick > > > From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 25 17:22:58 2000 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:22:58 GMT Subject: STOURBRIDGE JUDGE TREV LIFT Message-ID: I'm playing at the Stourbridge gig... I need a lift on friday... I'm in Brighton. Help! Love, Trev _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 25 17:26:25 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:26:25 +0100 Subject: HW: A word from the Captain Message-ID: "At the moment I have spent the last few weeks trying to get an interesting mixture of old and new material together with various members participating in it. We cannot please everyone connected with this band, but I am trying to do the best for the fans. The object of this whole conception is to put on a exciting show, both visually and sound wise, having a jolly good time in the process and hopefully to keep the starship flying into the 21st century. Unfortunately there seems to be objections about recording and videoing the show, which is a shame, as I am sure that from everyone's point of view (both collectors and band members) this would be to mutual advantage. So come on everyone (band members, management, etc.) no grumping!!! Yours Dave Brock" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon Sep 25 18:39:27 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:39:27 +0100 Subject: HW: A word from the Captain In-Reply-To: <000e01c02737$44e644c0$639393c3@default> Message-ID: > "At the moment I have spent the last few weeks trying to get an >interesting mixture of old and new material together with various members >participating in it. We cannot please everyone connected with this band, >but I am trying to do the best for the fans. The object of this whole >conception is to put on a exciting show, both visually and sound wise, >having a jolly good time in the process and hopefully to keep the >starship flying into the 21st century. Unfortunately there seems to be >objections about recording and videoing the show, which is a shame, as I >am sure that from everyone's point of view (both collectors and band >members) this would be to mutual advantage. So come on everyone (band >members, management, etc.) no grumping!!! Yours Dave Brock" Well said Dave!!!! I couldn't agree more with your general sentiments about the whole event. The event should be preserved as a lasting testament to everyone and everything about HW over the past 30years...........It just has to be recorded (properly and proffessionally!). I also hope that it is filmed aswell (preferably by a more proffessional outfit than visionary/jettizounds...........sorry John Bentham!) If neither of these happen.....we'll be left with certain unworthy individuals making some capital from the laundering and selling of low quality bootleg material.......(there's too much of this on the market already!) I'm not in the music biz......but I really cannot understand any reason why any band members should object to your proposals. If push comes to shove...then as a fan for the past 28 years I'd say 'stuff em' to any band members that are not in tune with the prevailing spirit of the event. (Including the likes of Lemmy & Nik).....it'll be their loss!!!! If I were an ex-member/manager of HW I'd feel bloody priveleged to have been a part (big or small) of its history.....so just what is their problem? Could it be that the added cost of recording & filming the show would take too large a slice of their pay packet on the night? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 25 19:21:34 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:21:34 +0100 Subject: STOURBRIDGE Message-ID: Spacehead also now playing at this event and CD Services will be there with a sales stand (incl new Tim Blake CD and Hawkwind 'Weird Tapes' CD's - 2 of them anyway). See you on Saturday!!!! Andy Garibaldi. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Sep 25 19:10:55 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:10:55 -0500 Subject: HW: A word from the Captain Message-ID: I certainly hope that they intend on a professional video recording. I would be among first in line to purchase one. Though I had intended to record snippets here and there from my farty little digital camcorder just for memory sake, and to share, I certainly have no intentions of selling anything. Yes, are scumbags out there who would want to capitalize (er....rip off the band) which I lump together with ticket scalpers (Line them up!) and can see the point of some of the objections and fears due to inferior quality and perhaps residual income issues that would arise if someone were to release bootlegs for sale. But Hawkfans in general do not strike me as unsavory types, and if anything, are of the trader mentality such as Grateful Dead or Gov't Mule fans, and are in it for the love of music, and not for the monetary value. Oh well, if they ban recording, it will be one less thing to carry around. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Sep 25 19:12:03 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:12:03 -0700 Subject: HW: STOURBRIDGE Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:21:34 +0100, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >CD Services will be there with a sales stand (incl new Tim Blake CD >and Hawkwind 'Weird Tapes' CD's - 2 of them anyway). Which Weird Tapes? THOSE are what I've been most eagerly awaiting from the Collectors' Series!! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Sep 25 23:30:55 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:00:55 +0930 Subject: sort of hawkwind related Message-ID: Hello there I am in the process of starting up a Hawkwind cover/tribute band here in Australia and I was hoping someone out there may be able to help me out. I desperatly need some really cool sound cards for my Korg wavestation If anyone knows of or has or knows someone with these items and are willing to part with them could they please contact me at michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au cheers Michael Blackman 'opening the minds of future Hawkwind Fanatics thru live music' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately there seems to be objections about recording and videoing the show, which is a shame, as I am sure that from everyone's point of view (both collectors and band members) this would be to mutual advantage. So come on everyone (band members, management, etc.) no grumping!!! Yours Dave Brock" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Sep 26 04:36:24 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:36:24 +0100 Subject: sort of hawkwind related Message-ID: I think there are cool enough sounds in the Wavestation to start with (I use an SR which does come with more presets than the EX and original Wavestations): Stereo Waves, Vulcan Harp, Quarks (ho ho) are 3 off the top of my head that are very Hawk-ish. If you use a joystick to control the vector mixing, then a lot more existing patches sound like IITBOTFTBD-era HW. I've got a stack of new patches though that I've uploaded to http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/paul_ws*.zip (*=1, 2, 3, 4) as SysEx files. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: michael blackman To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:30 AM Subject: sort of hawkwind related Hello there I am in the process of starting up a Hawkwind cover/tribute band here in Australia and I was hoping someone out there may be able to help me out. I desperatly need some really cool sound cards for my Korg wavestation If anyone knows of or has or knows someone with these items and are willing to part with them could they please contact me at michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au cheers Michael Blackman 'opening the minds of future Hawkwind Fanatics thru live music' From IainFerguson at CS.COM Tue Sep 26 04:44:46 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:44:46 EDT Subject: HW: Mission Control tidbits Message-ID: Hi, The Death Generator was the evil empires main weapon again the world and nearly saw off the hawklords in the first Hawkwinf related book by Moorcock & Butterworth. Don't know if its in the 2nd book as I'm only just about to start rewaing it, Finally got a copy of it a couple of weks ago ( mint cont). So have said the above I'm sure the band won't want to hear it again Love & peace iain From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Tue Sep 26 05:21:24 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:21:24 +1200 Subject: Hawkwind/Australia/NZ In-Reply-To: <000a01c0276a$2eb367e0$d3cd223f@arcom> Message-ID: >I am in the process of starting up a >Hawkwind cover/tribute band here in Australia >and I was hoping someone out there may be >able to help me out. Michael which part of Australia are you in ? I can hook you up with a great band from Melbourne who are called Brainstorm and they play their own original space rock. Could be a great band to open your gigs. They have put out one CD plus a cassette which they are currently mastering and doing artwork for to put out on CD. Let me know if you are aware of this band and if you are interested in getting in touch with them. Can also give you a contact for a great band in Sydney called Sh'mantra who play psychedelic/jazz/rock music. They have a CD out on my Cranium Label and would also be the right type of band to support you on any future gigs. Let me know if I can help. Regards Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Sep 26 06:45:53 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:15:53 +0930 Subject: Hawkwind/Australia/NZ Message-ID: Hello Richard, I reside in Adelaide in the southern hills area. I can't say that I know these bands by name but Absolutly.... I'd appreciate any contacts.... Thanks for the email Sincerely Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind/Australia/NZ > >I am in the process of starting up a >Hawkwind cover/tribute band here in > Australia >and I was hoping someone out there may be >able to help me out. > > Michael which part of Australia are you in ? I can hook you up with a great > band from Melbourne who are called Brainstorm and they play their own > original space rock. Could be a great band to open your gigs. They have put > out one CD plus a cassette which they are currently mastering and doing > artwork for to put out on CD. > Let me know if you are aware of this band and if you are interested in > getting in touch with them. Can also give you a contact for a great band in > Sydney called Sh'mantra who play psychedelic/jazz/rock music. They have a CD > out on my Cranium Label and would also be the right type of band to support > you on any future gigs. > Let me know if I can help. > > Regards > > Richard > Cranium Music > http://www.cranium.co.nz > From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Sep 26 08:45:14 2000 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:45:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 1 - "Invisibles" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Jean Lansford wrote: >On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > >>WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" > >Ah, one of my favorite sports. Wish I had time to go over this entire >text in depth, but.... And then I left out something. The Don Pedro is one of the main rites of voudoun, a violent style of dance done while wearing red clothing. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 26 10:19:48 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:19:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, 1 part water 2 parts cornsyrup 1 part Natural flavor Message-ID: Jean/Johnny wrote: > > >WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" > > > >Ah, one of my favorite sports. My fave is "snipe hunting" for those of you who remember "Cheers" and the chicanery of the spie hunt. 2 points and a high five. There's a similarity betwixt the two isnt there. > [having read what you wrote:] Wait a sec, you mean we're supposed to READ posts on this list? I thought I subscribed for an exercise in deleting :) > pleasure of unraveling the meaning behind a "conventionally" mysterious > lyric, to the understanding of an occult reference. Don't get me wrong, I'm > grateful for your insights (and would welcome more). I just prefer ordinary > topics, they feel more "relevant" to me. theres no such thing as an ordinary topic of discussion, or esle it wouldnt be worth talking about. Theres ordinary space fillers like "how bout them mets?" or "its rainging tongight, isnt it?" topics of discussion are necessarily uncertainties with language. I shoud stop now before the ghost of Wittgenstein accosts my hands and types a few pages on WORDS heh. > Also, if anything of this is ever going to make it into the FAQ, more of the > occult stuff should be explained. The Mini-thesis did a hueckuva job with the occult stuff i my mem'ry serves me well and it doesn't ask for a tip. Wow.. .that feels like aeons ago! > Palomino > Injun Joe > Alberdan -> especially I think this is important Well,i remember asking about this word once (or I think i did., who knows) to which A.Bouchard once said that Alberdan was Sandy Pearlman's misinterpreting of the lyric from "2000 Light Years From Home" by the ROlling stones: "I'll see you on Aldebaran" (sure i probably spelled it wrong, but those who know dig) As for the whole Imaginos discussion as it stands though, I'll reserve my comments for the table in the back, smoking section and a good bottle of wine. black heart of soul, Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 26 10:23:56 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:23:56 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, 1 part water 2 parts cornsyrup 1 part Natural flavor In-Reply-To: <200009261421.KAA10428@mailgate.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 00, at 10:19, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Jean/Johnny wrote: > > > > >WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT: THE CONCEPT OF "IMAGINOS" > > > > > >Ah, one of my favorite sports. > My fave is "snipe hunting" for those of you who remember "Cheers" > and the chicanery of the spie hunt. 2 points and a high five. There's > a similarity betwixt the two isnt there. > > > [having read what you wrote:] > Wait a sec, you mean we're supposed to READ posts on this list? I > thought I subscribed for an exercise in deleting :) Hey, speaking of deleting, did anyone else hear that Geddy Lee has a new solo record? theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Sep 26 10:48:05 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:48:05 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, 1 part water 2 parts cornsyrup 1 part Natural flavor Message-ID: > Hey, speaking of deleting, did anyone else hear that Geddy Lee has > a new solo record? > > theo Oh god, didn't there used to be someone on here with a severe Rush phobia? Geddy solo? Hmm.. with "guests" I wonder or one of those do-it-yourself jobs? I'll have to look around for it. JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 26 11:07:28 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:07:28 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, 1 part water 2 parts cornsyrup 1 part Natural flavor In-Reply-To: <4973895A322CD411A6B000A0C96E96112073A2@C2> Message-ID: On 26 Sep 00, at 7:48, Joseph Brooks wrote: > > Hey, speaking of deleting, did anyone else hear that Geddy Lee has a > > new solo record? > > > > theo > > Oh god, didn't there used to be someone on here with a severe Rush > phobia? Hmm...I don't know, but I wanted to thank him... Geddy solo? Hmm.. with "guests" I wonder or one of those > do-it-yourself jobs? I'll have to look around for it It features guests, but, unfortunately, none of them are singers... theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Sep 26 11:18:51 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:18:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, 1 part water 2 parts cornsyrup 1 part Natural flavor Message-ID: > > Geddy solo? Hmm.. with "guests" I wonder or one of those > > do-it-yourself jobs? I'll have to look around for it > > It features guests, but, unfortunately, none of them are singers... ROTFLMAO! :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 26 13:22:37 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:22:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 2 - WoTT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > >Hey, > >we could do this for years :-) > > will it take you that long to figure out that I'm right? ;-) WEel, I'm an arts type by nature so even if I do deccide you're right it'll take me at least that long to admit it :-) > the old Rossignol bit? oh, don't tell me THAT is considered 'canonic'! Well, you're the only one who is setting a canon, and considering you set it only because you wanted to restrict the scope of your essay I shouldn't adhere to it too closely. The "Rossignol bit" is Pearlman-BOC and refers to Plutonia - it's obviously linked in somehow. Remember, ultimately, this myth is random-access. > btw, Secreta, huh? :-) If you'd been running screen from a computer with a dodgy left-hand Ctrl key it could have happened to you too. > > Yes, but I prefer to take your reading my way :-) The Desdinova of > >the now, scarred and tracked from attempts to sorcerously realise > >immortality, laughing at his crowds of believers for whom he has no > >answer. > > > who's that? the... um, guy who's reading? did you mean something along those > lines? Um, not exactly. I think that if the current BOC really are supposed to be the incarnation of the last part of the Imaginos saga, exactly which one is *him* probably never got defined, or varied. Or perhaps Pearlman envisaged it as himself. I don't think it allows of too close an interpretation, I think the second and third acts wait definition by their creators still. > yes, now I remember. well I suppose you could argue that Haiti is in fact > the world axis because of the occurence of the word "dream" here and > "sleeping" in the line "the Empress lay sleeping". but I don't know, the > Imperatrix obviously refers to E1. That's why I don't think the Haiti thing > is 'right'. Why does "Imperatrix" have to be E.I? I seem to recall there being an Empress of Haiti once, but even if I'm completely making that up I'm still pretty sure "Imperatrix" describes one of the alchemical elements, silver I think, though I'm not sure. I dislike the Elizabeth I interpretation because for first, I don't think Dee's anything to do with the story, in which case Elizabeth, whom the notes only mention to explain who Dee is and that, in my view, to introduce a factual jade mirror to give weight to the story's, is still less to do with it, and secondly, because there's no way to explain why she's sleeping. She isn't buried at Greenwich, she's buried at Westminster which is some way west. And unlike some British monarchs there's no doubt she's dead. > > Could it be "`drake', as in, short for mandrake? All the > >salamander stuff sounds pretty tonuge of bat and eye of frog to > >me. > > but that's just what it is - Dee was an astrologer, basically a magician. > _he_ believed in this sort of stuff and it's natural for him to speak in > such terms. Yes, _or any other_ astrologer or mystic, and if you're staging WotT as a dialogue you have to admit there's at least one other participant, and that a knowledgeable one. In which case, why must it be Dee? Why can't it be Imaginos, the only character apart from Susie who is clearly named in the cycle? > hm. and perhaps there's a link to "Mirrors": > > "a mirror is a negative space" > > a-ha! a black hole! I'm reluctant to tie in any Buck songs, really. They're all this Mid-West horror story type of thing which doesn't seem to be anything to do with the cycle. Yeah, I know, you were joking. > (I seem to remember from the old Imaginos discussion, at which time I wasn't > a boc-l-ite, there was a lot of talk about black holes. where did you people > come up with that???) Pass, friend, I'm well post-that-discussion myself. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Sep 26 13:35:39 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:35:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, part 9 - Susie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > > I dunno. Why does he have to agree to join the Cult in the first > >place? > > I've just remembered something, that i should've written in the previous > post, in regards to the Secreta Treaties :) quote. Obviously that's about > the 'deal' made between Imaginos (although why should be given the title of > Foreign Minister is beyond me) and the oyster boyz (the Ambassadors from > Plutonia, the ?'land' of Les Invisibles). No it isn't, it's about the origins of the First World War! He's being described as Foreign Minister precisely because that's who he is, the German Foreign Minister. But who the Ambassadors are, now, there's a question. > btw he decides _not to_ join the Cult. he wants to die as a human, and later > finds out the choice had already been made for him. Nonsense! Re-read the sleeve notes, the bit where the songs are laid out and it gives a precis of `Blue Oyster Cult' - the words "decides to join their Cult" are right there. > >- Von Ondine dies - the spirit flies and > >a new Desdinova is born, reincarnation-like. > > he dies? is this in the song? and btw this reincarnation ... i don't know. > not convincing. AND as I've said, songs like D+S, ME262 and the rest, can't > be seriously scrutinized. Of course they can! They have obvious textual links and are clearly based on related ideas. And, no, it's not said that Von Ondine dies but Hitler tells him it's his last patrol and he's one man against 25 enemy aircraft, albeit those under-equipped to defend against a jet-fighter. But I'd say the expectation is clear that he's not coming back. The reincarnation may be putting it a bit strong, but Imaginos can't be more than one person at one as far as we know - so if he's to be both Von Ondine and the protagonist of D&S, whose probable death and probable birth do match quite nicely, something of the sort must be going on. You will of course say that he isn't both, possibly not either, and to that I can only say, well, I can't see any other way of making the songs part of the full cycle as Al has said he considers them to be. > >But Act III looks awful like Desdinova > >did an ET and phoned home, doesn't it? > > ha? et = extra time? I don't get it! > (but I bet I'll be saying "d'oh!" soon) Sorry, Western cultural reference: _ET_ meaning extra-terrestrial is a film about an alien who gets stranded on Earth, is taken in by some kids and manages to get in contact with his home planet who come and get him - his limited mastery of English causes him to explain this as "E T phone home". I see the third act as Desdinova trying to get the aliens or whatever to reclaim him and, disappointed, setting out on his own to wreak vengeance on a slavish Earth. That, to me, is why `the joke's on you'. > oh, I know that. I thought of it at that moment, I didn't know what to write > to look RUR2R seem uncanonical. i don't really seriously believe that... Well, I myself wouldn't see it as part of the cycle but Al's said he saw it so. But for that you'd be spared my entire `the-band-is-Imaginos' theory :-) > well, me too! my 'serious' view is, in short, this: as I said in the Magna > bit, most loose threads CAN be connected, to the point where most people at > least agree that "there may be something to it"; however, because of the > "and the joke's on you" thing, which I'm glad to say most people seem to > have digested, I don't think it _deserves_ such serious scrutiny, > theological discussion etc., such as the one that from time to time goes on > at alt.fan.tolkien. example: the Orcs - were they a)soulless automatons, b) > brainwashed, c) genetically modified, or d)even wilder theories! They're Goblin-pig halfbreeds, any fool knows that :-) > i don't think that sort of thing fits Imaginos. most of my explanations are > actually tangential stuff like the FWB. the main 'story', the plot of > everything, is still in outlines. and there's no reason to suppose it ever > went beyond that. I do very much agree. It's still random access and we're probably all right :-) Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From gregkastan at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 26 15:12:37 2000 From: gregkastan at HOTMAIL.COM (Greg Kastan) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:12:37 EDT Subject: HW: A word from the Captain Message-ID: I would like to be taken off the boc list serbe please don't send me anymore e-mails. Thank you gregkastan at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 26 21:39:13 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:39:13 GMT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) Message-ID: I don't know, I'm getting repetitive, I think, with all this. My views on the whole saga are as they are in the essay, and not likely to change. I'm *especially* 100% certain on the final part, "and the joke's on you", and that the "point", if a coherent one is to be made after all, is that we're all here flogging a dead horse, in a way. My canon: Again, look at what happened to "Subhuman". The lyrics got twice as big. Who can tell what would've happened to ME 262 - the significance of which I don't understand as yet. Also, "Dominance & Submission" was never, as far as I know, considered a part of the Imaginos cycle. Let me try to explain this a bit more. Now, knowing all we know, look at the 1974 "Subhuman"text. Sure, it makes perfect sense - "Oyster boys are swimming for me, just one deal is what we made now". But did it make sense it 1974? The whole thing had to be expanded, explained - imagine a discussion like this in 1974 - I presume many folks suspected Secreta Treaties ;-) was a concept album. Hell, I remember some guy a couple of months ago on alt.music.blueoystercult asking if it was one! But imagine what kind of wild interpretations they could've made in 1974, based on the lyrics and the Rossignol bit. So basically my point is that you are doing just this, you are comparing the well-explained and 'documented' (in view of liner notes) Imaginos songs proper, and other songs that may or may not (D&S) even be a part of the story! Whenever I get excited like this, I think "... and the joke's on you", and I imagine Sandy Pearlman as a lurker here, laughing his ass off. Now, the Rossignol bit: first of all, it has two or three sentences. It says -very- little. The Ambassadors from Plutonia - who could they be if not the Oyster Boys? But, as I said, who knows what the conception behind these few sentences was, in 1974. A lot could have changed from then to 1988. (Of course there is "Astronomy" for counter evidence, but that song was fairly vague to begin with, and still is, despite my efforts.) The BOC (the actual band) as a reincarnation of Imaginos: I refuse to honor this idea with further discussion. WoTT as a conversation: read my bit on WoTT again. It all makes perfect sense to me, especially the infamous line "by salamander drake and the power that was undine" fits in nicely. ET phone home: it's not an West-and-East issue, but a young-and-in_their_prime_years issue. I was born in 1982. Is that the year of ET? These kids of today, they *really* have no repect.... huh? >I see the third act as Desdinova trying to get the aliens or >whatever to reclaim him and, disappointed, setting out on his own to >wreak vengeance on a slavish Earth. That, to me, is why `the joke's on >you'. this is interesting. but, as I said, there are too many gaps in the 2nd and 3rd parts for this to be more then a guess, or that's what I think anyway. >Nonsense! Re-read the sleeve notes, the bit where the songs are >laid out and it gives a precis of `Blue Oyster Cult' - the >words "decides >to join their Cult" are right there. oops! sorry... Johnny ps Aldebaran is sone star?! A "follower" of the Pleiades (!?). Probably some alien reference... "2000 l.y. from home", though, contains some Imaginosey stuff - "red deserts turn to dark / energy here in every part" - there's a lot of 'energy' talk in "Half-life time"... I don't know. I'm tired... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 26 22:55:35 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:55:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9, if 6 was 9 nad H2O In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01:39 9.27.00 GMT, you wrote: >all here flogging a dead horse, in a way. I turned mine into glue. ha. > >My canon: Again, look at what happened to "Subhuman". The lyrics got twice >as big. Although it is not established which came first, the "Blue Oyster Cult" lyrics or "subhuman".. after all they couldn've been shunk in the 70's so Eric could remember them all or somethin' :) Has S. Pearlman ever stated in any interview whatsoever what lyrics in BOC's catalog he's written were ever part of his _Soft Doctrines of Imaginos_? Or does he do the shifty producer/Prisoner's no.2 and reply "That would be telling," and proceed to give an evil smile while clutching a red phone? > >Let me try to explain this a bit more. Now, knowing all we know, look at the >1974 "Subhuman"text. Sure, it makes perfect sense - "Oyster boys are >swimming for me, just one deal is what we made now". But did it make sense >it 1974? I'd hope so. its like a declarative "see Spot run" sentence (but on jazz). >Secret Treaties ;-) was a concept album. Hell, I remember some guy a couple of >months ago on alt.music.blueoystercult asking if it was one! I remember waaaaaaaaaaaaay back when I first joined this ragtag group of rebels (wait, wrong mailing list :)) that I postulated profusely in one emial about how I thought it could be seen as such, regarding all these hep characters as Putonia and Desdinova an' such. Don't see why it's impossible. after all, the packaging for this'un was the slickest yet with "aggression unchecked is agression unleashed" promo photo slogans, the technicolor overhead pic of the ME262 and dead dogs and the first appearance of the band on the (front) cover w/ this. And without a lyric sheet but including ramapnt imagination, the lyrics could be thought to have a conceptalbum bent. yay. >But imagine >what kind of wild interpretations they could've made in 1974, based on the >lyrics and the Rossignol bit. Well, there is the story of that fan who came to a gig in a Nazi uniform. >just this, you are comparing the well-explained and 'documented' (in view of >liner notes) Imaginos songs proper, and other songs that may or may not >(D&S) even be a part of the story! "everything's connectected, man." just read Douglas Adams. > laughing his ass off. Could you imagine HOW HARXD this would be to do? god, the muscle spasm ripping the buttocks from the bone would be MASSIVE. I think i hear dogs talkign to me now heh. > >Now, the Rossignol bit: first of all, it has two or three sentences. It says >-very- little. The Ambassadors from Plutonia - who could they be if not the >Oyster Boys? Tupperware salesman from Dimension X. Tupperware unleashes evil on the land, with vacuum sealed freshness. The freshness always gets those secret treatis signed. If only peopel knew what we know now. > >The BOC (the actual band) as a reincarnation of Imaginos: OR at least an Imaginos support group: ("Hi, My name is Imaginos, and I have a problem" -- "Hi Imaginos" they reply -- "Y'see, my problem is,{choke} i meddle in earth's history" (break down crying and group hug make him feel better) Sandy did name the band all dem wacky names way back when, as members of los transmanicos MC. > I was born in 1982. Is that the year >of ET? Probably, since I remember 'Taxi' episdoe where Rev. Jim said he saw it like 42 times in a row.. hehe. > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. Interesting. they want you to be assured of the safety of your privacy, and they want you to go bulic in the next sentence. Must be Plutonian ambassadors:) I like traffic lights but only when they're green, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Tue Sep 26 22:57:53 2000 From: Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:57:53 -0500 Subject: Other: Free Skye Klad cds Message-ID: Should start being mailed out tomorrow. Hopefully by the end of the week they will all be out. It is a mixed mode cd, the audio tracks will play on any cd player, and there is also three data tracks(text file, frontcover.jpg, backcover.jpg). If you want the song titles and artwork then print the covers. Skye Klad will headline "Step in to the sky" 10/05/2000 at the seventh street entry. Also appearing are Fiji Jim, Novasonic, and the Metabots. I believe the event is going to be webcast, check the skyeklad website for details. dan From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Sep 27 06:32:55 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:32:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone else? Cheers, R. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Sep 27 09:22:02 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:22:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <03bc01c0286e$53d649c0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind No...wait. Ms Grace by The Tymes Never heard of it. Then again, I was in the US and wasn't listening to much AM radio at the time. Brian > Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. > > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > > Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone else? > > Cheers, > > R. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 27 09:35:37 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:35:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: A Whiter Shade of Pale by Procul Harem From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Sep 27 09:46:35 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:16:35 +0930 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: Hmmmm Congratulations by Cliff Richard 8> ))))) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: Re: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind > > No...wait. > > Ms Grace by The Tymes > > Never heard of it. Then again, I was in the US and wasn't listening to much > AM radio at the time. > > Brian > > > > Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. > > > > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > > > > Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone else? > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Sep 27 10:05:11 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:05:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: >From Me To You by The Beatles From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Sep 27 10:12:40 2000 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:12:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Live from the Darkside 72 ? Message-ID: CCollins54 at AOL.COM wrote: > If anyone needs a copy of this cd - please contact me. > > Peace and Love, > > Jim Collins Jim, Sorry for the delay in responding = I'm way behind on my e-mail. How do I go about getting a copy of this CD? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Sep 27 10:20:40 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:20:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <03bc01c0286e$53d649c0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, I think I win the 1st prize for the worst song: "The Rivers Of Babylon" - Boney M *arghll* D+R From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Sep 27 10:50:10 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:50:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <03bc01c0286e$53d649c0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: :Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. : :Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. : :http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html : :Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone else? Mine was Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep by Middle Of The Road (argh. this was a real song name?!?) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Sep 27 10:50:19 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:50:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: 'Jumping Jack Flash' by the Rolling Stones...........cool! I had premonitions of it being a really silly single, or a novelty record....... Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind > > No...wait. > > Ms Grace by The Tymes > > Never heard of it. Then again, I was in the US and wasn't listening to much > AM radio at the time. > > Brian > > > > Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. > > > > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > > > > Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone else? > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Sep 27 10:57:09 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:57:09 -0700 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: Mack the Knife by Bobby Darin. Sheesh, I'm *old*. I'd be curious to see a similar page for the States. Seeing as my birth was pre-Beatles, I shudder to think what was #1 in the US back then. At least I've heard of my song and actually always sorta liked it. JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Arin Komins [mailto:akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:50 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > :Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > : > :Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. > : > :http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > : > :Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - > anyone else? > > Mine was Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep by Middle Of The Road > > (argh. this was a real song name?!?) > > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Sep 27 13:20:12 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:20:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > I don't know, I'm getting repetitive, I think, with all this. My views on > the whole saga are as they are in the essay, and not likely to change. I'm > *especially* 100% certain on the final part, "and the joke's on you", and > that the "point", if a coherent one is to be made after all, is that we're > all here flogging a dead horse, in a way. Get up, Dobbin etc. I agree we've probably covered all the ground where either of our views is likely to change, but I don't agree with that bit, however much I agree with lots else that you said. A matter of opinion when all's said and done. So regard the quibbles below as the picking of the last bits of meat off the bones of an excellent meal :-) > My canon: Again, look at what happened to "Subhuman". The lyrics got twice > as big. Who can tell what would've happened to ME 262 - the significance of > which I don't understand as yet. Also, "Dominance & Submission" was never, > as far as I know, considered a part of the Imaginos cycle. > > Let me try to explain this a bit more. Now, knowing all we know, look at the > 1974 "Subhuman"text. Sure, it makes perfect sense - "Oyster boys are > swimming for me, just one deal is what we made now". But did it make sense > it 1974? The whole thing had to be expanded, explained - imagine a > discussion like this in 1974 - I presume many folks suspected Secreta > Treaties ;-) was a concept album. Hell, I remember some guy a couple of > months ago on alt.music.blueoystercult asking if it was one! But imagine > what kind of wild interpretations they could've made in 1974, based on the > lyrics and the Rossignol bit. So basically my point is that you are doing > just this, you are comparing the well-explained and 'documented' (in view of > liner notes) Imaginos songs proper, and other songs that may or may not > (D&S) even be a part of the story! Your points about `Subhuamn' are well made, but I'd argue that that song, being a riff and a chorus and little more, had a lot of room for expansion; I'm not sure the much tighter `ME262' does. We might have expected a new instrumentation of it as we got for `Astronomy' but I suspect that like that one the words are already fairly fixed, especially since they have a fairly clear narrative progression hich is more than you can say for `Subhuman' or indeed `B.O.C.' Nonetheless, I think that the possibility for expansion doesn't rule these songs out, it just makes them more obscure. Thus I think to exclude them utterly is flawed methodology - it's like leaving out large parts of Eliot's `Wasteland' because they're not very clear. I think that the textual links, like the recurrence of Susie prove they're part of the story. I agree that some of the songs Al envisaged as being in the full cycle were nothing to do with it in origin, but against that I'd argue that the Pearlman-written ones certainly were, since we know from the existence of `Subhuman' that the concept had a form even back in '74. I don't think refusing their evidence is a sensible method. > Whenever I get excited like this, I think "... and the joke's on you", and > I imagine Sandy Pearlman as a lurker here, laughing his ass off. I'm absolutely sure that Al does thoroughly enjoy us winding ourselves into twists over it, but what the hell, he's entertained me a great deal, I'm happy if I can return the favour even slightly :-) > Now, the Rossignol bit: first of all, it has two or three sentences. It says > -very- little. The Ambassadors from Plutonia - who could they be if not the > Oyster Boys? But, as I said, who knows what the conception behind these few > sentences was, in 1974. A lot could have changed from then to 1988. (Of > course there is "Astronomy" for counter evidence, but that song was fairly > vague to begin with, and still is, despite my efforts.) Well, that's it, you see, I think the core of the story is probably formed by '74 because `Subhuman' really doesn't have any sense without a supporting concept. Of course the changes made to it might reflect that this had changed too but I don't think there's anything in the full version which conflicts with the earlier one. The Rossignol line also seems to refer to a concept, although it could just be randomly thrown in to perplex and bamboozle. I prefer to think that there was something behind it, and its reference to Plutonia make me think that it's the same thing as is being referred to on _Imaginos_. > The BOC (the actual band) as a reincarnation of Imaginos: I refuse to honor > this idea with further discussion. Ooh, well, that's shown me then hasn't it? Explain `R U ready to Rock' as part of the cycle any other way, go on... > WoTT as a conversation: read my bit on WoTT again. It all makes perfect > sense to me, especially the infamous line "by salamander drake and the power > that was undine" fits in nicely. It does make sense and it is a coherent interpretation, it's just based on your assigning what I think is unjustified significance to Dee and extracting Elizabeth from that, whom I think has no place in the songs at all. I'm not arguing with the internal factors, they're well thought-out and Im arvel at your coming up with it, I just happen to think that it doesn't touch the rest of the cycle any way at all in your interpretation. You're making WotT part of your canon on shaky grounds. I do think it has to be included, though I don't quite see how you first came to that conclusion, but if so I prefer to see it as directly connected, not on an otherwise unmentioned tangent. > ET phone home: it's not an West-and-East issue, but a > young-and-in_their_prime_years issue. I was born in 1982. Is that the year > of ET? > > These kids of today, they *really* have no repect.... huh? I'll give you six years and call you a whippersnapper, sir. I'm well past my prime. > >I see the third act as Desdinova trying to get the aliens or > >whatever to reclaim him and, disappointed, setting out on his own to > >wreak vengeance on a slavish Earth. That, to me, is why `the joke's on > >you'. > > this is interesting. but, as I said, there are too many gaps in the 2nd and > 3rd parts for this to be more then a guess, or that's what I think anyway. Indeed, especially given the amount of material they borrow. That's just my guess. But as I say, I can't explain RUR2R any other way so I stick to it. > ps Aldebaran is sone star?! A "follower" of the Pleiades (!?). Probably some > alien reference... "2000 l.y. from home", though, contains some Imaginosey > stuff - "red deserts turn to dark / energy here in every part" - there's a > lot of 'energy' talk in "Half-life time"... I don't know. I'm tired... Aldebaran is in Taurus, I believe, as are the Pleiades. The Pleiades is of course to the naked eye a _seven_-star cluster but there are a great many more "Invisibles" ones... But I'm just playing... Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 13:33:06 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:33:06 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) Message-ID: memo to AL BOUCHARD: if all of this has yet to convince you that there's a book here somewhere, and an audience ready to pounce on it, let me be direct: Write the book! having us debate this mythos may serve to amuse you lo these many years after, and no doubt the records still sell, but hey--cash in on those of us with too much spare time; many of us have too much disposable income as well. seriously! bobm a 'big fan', or whatever From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Sep 27 13:57:48 2000 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:57:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) Message-ID: I have been toying with the idea of developing an Imaginos/BOC related computer game. As practice, I have been working on a TC (Total conversion) using the tools provided with the game "Vampire: The Masquerade" which allows one to create scenarios, levels and models using their game engine. I think it would be very cool and I would love to include music from Imaginos and other BOC. However, I am concerned about copyright infringement and have shelved the project for now. (I have not progressed far at all on the project so I don't really have anything concrete beyond the most basic planning stages..) If anyone knows copyright law at all, if I were to create such a thing (using names, references, music and possibly even likenesses) and distribute it free, would I be setting myself up for trouble? I do recall seeing a BOC related custom map for Doom but don't recall how much, if any potentially copyrighted material was used. JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert C. Mayo [mailto:RMayo19761 at AOL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:33 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) > > > memo to AL BOUCHARD: > if all of this has yet to convince you that there's a book > here somewhere, > and an audience ready to pounce on it, let me be direct: > > Write the book! > > having us debate this mythos may serve to amuse you lo these > many years > after, and no doubt the records still sell, but hey--cash in > on those of us > with too much spare time; many of us have too much disposable > income as well. > > seriously! > bobm > a 'big fan', or whatever > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 27 14:26:56 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:26:56 -0700 Subject: OFF: Circle Live Message-ID: Their show on October 7th in San Francisco (with the also-great Village of Savoonga) is scheduled to be webcast on KFJC 89.7FM (http://www.kfjc.org), although this will be their first broadcast from this particular club (Bottom of the Hill), so technical glitches are not outside the realm of possibility. If you tune in, you'll probably be able to hear me yelling in the audience ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com P.S. Unfortunately, it's a school night, but for any Bay Area listmembers - I'll be playing guest synth with Mushroom (for the first, and probably not last, time) tonight at Tongue & Groove in San Francisco (on Van Ness near Union street) ... I believe that Beyond-O-Matic (or a related band) are also on the bill. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 27 14:56:09 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:56:09 -0700 Subject: sort of hawkwind related Message-ID: A Korg Wavestation would certainly be the ideal synth for iitBotFtbD-era HW, since I understand that was Alan's "main axe" (synth-wise) at the time ... and a joystick controller is a *must* for playing HW synth music (just like Del Dettmar's EMS has). But for more "classic"-era HW, I'd think that something a bit more analog would be called for. Just for the record, the keyboard/synth rig I use in my Hawkwind cover band ("Ad Hawk") consists of: 1) Wiard modular - for the Del Dettmar synth sounds; the dual joystick controller really shines here! (see http://www.wiard.com/ - the fact that this device is designed/manufactured by Grant Richter of F/i, one of the top spacerock synthesists in the world, doesn't hurt either! Check out the review of Russ Tolman's 'New Quadrophonic Highway' on that page, too.) 2) 3mS/Soundshimmer Triwave Picogenerator - for the DikMik audio generator sounds; actually two audio generators plus 3 LFO modulators in one little box; I run it through an old Digitech 2-second digital delay since my Echoplex is too rare/fragile to use live and I don't own a WEM tape delay, which would be the most authentic (see http://members.rotfl.com/soundshimmer/triwave.html). 3) Korg MS-20 - for both "lead" synth lines (like the one played by Simon House at the beginning of "Golden Void" before the vocals come in) and noises/fx; this model (no, not MINE) was actually used by Hawkwind in the early 80's and is all over the 'Choose Your Masques' tour double-CD (see http://www.keyboardmuseum.com/ar/k/korg/m/ms20.html). 4) Sequential Circuits Prophet 600 - for polyphonic keyboard parts (especially Simon House's organ & Mellotron sounds). The fairly-similar Korg PolySix would be more authentic, at least for contemporary (early-80's) HW, but then again, my band only covers the 70's stuff anyway (see http://www.keyboardmuseum.com/ar/s/seq/p6.html). ... all through a Roland KC-500 keyboard amp. A lot of equipment, but I'd find it difficult to do Hawkwind songs justice with any less than that (just don't ask me how I manage to play all that AND handle lead vocals at the same time)! There's a reason why my credits on the Primordial Undermind album I played on read "analog attitude" ... ;^) Good luck with your band (and sorry I can't help with your Wavestation query - like I said, nothing but "analog attitude" here)! For me, there aren't very many things that beat playing Hawkwind songs! -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:36:24 +0100, Kevin Perry wrote: >I think there are cool enough sounds in the Wavestation to start with (I use >an SR which does come with more presets than the EX and original >Wavestations): Stereo Waves, Vulcan Harp, Quarks (ho ho) are 3 off the top >of my head that are very Hawk-ish. If you use a joystick to control the >vector mixing, then a lot more existing patches sound like IITBOTFTBD-era >HW. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: michael blackman >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:30 AM >Subject: sort of hawkwind related > >I am in the process of starting up a Hawkwind cover/tribute band here in >Australia and I was hoping someone out there may be able to help me out. > >I desperatly need some really cool sound cards for my Korg wavestation... From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 16:36:36 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:36:36 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 9/23/00 (back to 5-7 :() Message-ID: 9/23/00 (5-7pmPST) 1.Quarkspace--Bonzo's G.S.B. (Spacefolds 6) 2.JFK Jr. Royal Airforce--Invisible World (self-titled) 3.Species Being--Track #3 (Orgone Therapy) 4.Cosmic Jokers--all of side 1 (Planeten Sit-In) 5.Anubian Lights--Jackal and 9 (Remix and Rare '96-'99) 6.Cyber Zen Sound Engine--Lucas Somniorum (Moonscapes: How Stones Become Enlightened) 7.Krom Lek--Gaia Mother (Psychedelic Dot Krom) 8.Dark Sun--TimeSpace Continuum (Metazoon comp) 9.Tone Float--Ghengis Khan Android (Musik von...) 10.ST 37--Surfin' w/the Shah (Derobe split LP w/Voco Kesh) 11.Amanita--Motion (Serenity) 12.Harmonia--Notre Dame (De Luxe) 13.Hawkwind--Space is Deep (Anthology/Acid Daze/Space Ritual 2) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 18:17:52 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:17:52 EDT Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/00 10:51:08 AM, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: <<(argh. this was a real song name?!?) >> oh sure; there were 2 versions, too. "<>" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 27 18:27:00 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:27:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: I was born in fall '67, so I was hoping for something good (post-summer of love, psychedelic music on the charts), but NOOOOOOO ... "The Last Waltz" by Engelbert Humperdinck ... better luck next time, I guess, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 27 19:18:24 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:18:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: Mine was 'Lay Down Your Arms' by Anne Shelton WHAT?? WHO??? Sheesh - think I get obscurity prize number one here!!!! Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: Re: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > 'Jumping Jack Flash' by the Rolling Stones...........cool! I had > premonitions of it being a really silly single, or a novelty record....... > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Halligan > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. > > > > Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind > > > > No...wait. > > > > Ms Grace by The Tymes > > > > Never heard of it. Then again, I was in the US and wasn't listening to > much > > AM radio at the time. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Find out what was number one in the UK the day you were born.. > > > > > > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > > > > > > Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The Foundations - anyone > else? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Sep 27 19:38:56 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <005101c028d9$3ce18200$3118bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: At 00:18 9.28.00 +0100, you wrote: >Mine was 'Lay Down Your Arms' by Anne Shelton >WHAT?? WHO??? >Sheesh - think I get obscurity prize number one here!!!! >Andy Garibaldi better than Give A Little Love by The Bay City Rollers J > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 19:24:24 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:24:24 EDT Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/00 6:27:15 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: <> oh sure; there were 2 versions, too. >> =========== to the best of my reck-o-lexion, it went something like "where's your mama gone [where's your mama gone] little baby bird [little baby bird] where's your mama gone [where's your mama gone] far, far away..." repeat 1st three lines and 4th line twice cho] "woke up this morning i was singing a song ooo-eee, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep something something something and my mama was gone ooo-eee, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep chirpy chirpy cheep cheep chirp" == this morning at my newly begun temp job, this culturally astute lady co-worker referred to 'timothy' by the buoys, as if i wouldnt know it; i countered with 'D.O.A.' and she knew that one.... so i'll have to test her tomorrow about 'chirpy chirpy cheep cheep'. the american version followed the uk version by a year or so. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 19:31:37 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:31:37 EDT Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: "Diana", Paul Anka and you think _you're_ old...heh. even older in a few days..... "<>" From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 27 20:10:39 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:10:39 +0800 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: Mine is "When" by the "Kalin Twins" Never heard of them and I dont think I want to :-) If DB was 15 at the time (I think he's 57) he might recall it. Cheers Bill From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Wed Sep 27 20:11:01 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:11:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: I, unfortunately, am too old for this UK stuff. However, I have in my possession the Billboards #1 weekly hits from 1950 to 1967. According to this book, I was born to "You Belong To Me" by Jo Safford during the 3rd week of September 1952. Now, if I was born on a timely basis, I was conceived to a tune called "Sin" by E. Howard, and being a love child, this is quite accurate. JS --- Richard Lockwood wrote: > Find out what was number one in the UK the day you > were born.. > > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html > > Mine was 'Baby Now That I've Found You' by The > Foundations - anyone else? > > Cheers, > > R. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Sep 27 20:29:13 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:29:13 +1200 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <01d201c028e0$89dcace0$f24d3bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: Mine was "Answer Me" by Frankie Laine. Now I am feeling old. Richard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Sep 27 20:45:13 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:45:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000927152700.0098a820@pop.sirius.com>; from ceres@SIRIUS.COM on Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:27:00PM -0700 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 03:27:00PM -0700, Doug Pearson wrote: > "The Last Waltz" by Engelbert Humperdinck > ... better luck next time, I guess, Next life, you mean? Not likely, unless, "in the fullness of time" as the silly Hawklords book had it, the HW members have also reincarnated and found each other... Mine was "Who's Sorry Now" by Connie Francis. I'm sorry now -- that I looked it up, that is. Ob-Silly-Book: Time of the Hawklords -- clearly the thing to reread on the Hawkestra-bound plane (given that it's through the book that I discovered the band in the first place)... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. - Chris Garrigues From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 21:46:49 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:49 EDT Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/00 9:53:50 AM US Eastern Standard Time, other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM writes: << 'Jumping Jack Flash' by the Rolling Stones...........cool! I had premonitions of it being a really silly single, or a novelty record....... Mark >> Mine is also a Rolling Stones tune: The Last Time. Joe Loehr From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 08:26:29 2000 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:26:29 -0400 Subject: HW Brixton accommodation Message-ID: Hi, Has there been any consensus of opinion on the best place(s) to stay after the HW Brixton Show? Not seen any mention of this for a while now, and I would like somewhere where I'm not the only weirdo staying, ha ha... cheers, Dave From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Sep 28 10:19:13 2000 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:19:13 +0200 Subject: BOC: future MC5 film, boc apperance Message-ID: dunno if this had been said before, (but just in case etc...) http://www.futurenowfilms.com/news/pressboc.htm ketil svendsen, norway ps. oh, and lemmy seems to be slightly involved as well! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 28 13:34:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:34:58 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: Hi everyone... I see that BritRail passes are not available for purchase in the UK. (Does anyone else think that's a little weird?) So, I see that a four-day SouthEast BritRail pass (2nd class adult), usable over an 8-day period is $105. Not so bad. But if I arrive at Gatwick on Oct. 19 at 5:30 AM and then spend two days in the 'Downs' and Canterbury and then two days in London (for HW & Motorhead), I still need transport back to Gatwick for a Monday morning flight (there's no 5-day southeast pass). The train to Gatwick I see I can get for $18 (via the same means as the BritRail pass), but do I need to do that now? (i.e., can I get an express train to Gatwick from Victoria for $18 or UKP equiv. just by showing up there?). I'd prefer not to make up my mind about that now, as I *may* want to go to Gatwick straight from the Academy Sun. night (and just nap at the terminal), and (given the lateness of the hour) am not sure how to do that (i.e., what's still running). I am also assuming that the SouthEast pass will include all of the London Tubes as well, is that right? I can't really afford to even go to this stupid thing, but that $425 Columbus-Gatwick roundtrip ticket was too good to pass up. I need to conserve money big time! I'm hoping to avoid paying for any single hotel room for myself. I can camp on the South/North Downs trails I figure for a measly fiver, but in London I am hoping to find someone to take me in, either native or other traveller that can share. I will contribute what is necessary to be 'legal', but I can be wasting $80 a night or whatever. Email offlist if you wanna offer me a space. Will there be any problem purchasing a MH ticket for Sunday, while there at the BA box office Saturday night? Or should I order that one online as well? Are the 'floor' tickets and balcony tickets really firm...ie., do they really not allow you access to the other part(s) of the Academy? I'm on the floor of course....I prefer to stand/move around whenever possible. Grakkl (FAA) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:04:22 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:04:22 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail In-Reply-To: <200009281841.OAA22508@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, K Henderson wrote: :Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail : :Hi everyone... : :I see that BritRail passes are not available for purchase in the UK. (Does :anyone else think that's a little weird?) So, I see that a four-day :SouthEast BritRail pass (2nd class adult), usable over an 8-day period is :$105. Not so bad. But if I arrive at Gatwick on Oct. 19 at 5:30 AM and :then spend two days in the 'Downs' and Canterbury and then two days in :London (for HW & Motorhead), I still need transport back to Gatwick for a :Monday morning flight (there's no 5-day southeast pass). The train to :Gatwick I see I can get for $18 (via the same means as the BritRail pass), :but do I need to do that now? (i.e., can I get an express train to Gatwick :from Victoria for $18 or UKP equiv. just by showing up there?). I'd prefer :not to make up my mind about that now, as I *may* want to go to Gatwick :straight from the Academy Sun. night (and just nap at the terminal), and :(given the lateness of the hour) am not sure how to do that (i.e., what's :still running). : :I am also assuming that the SouthEast pass will include all of the London :Tubes as well, is that right? I think that Britrail != London Underground. For the Hawkestra, I got a london visitor travelcard (also not avail. in the uk), to handle the zones that I need. That gives free passage on the tube. take a look at www.londontransport.co.uk for tube stuff and http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/passes/uk_index.htm for british rail. You can get a Gatwick Express ticket (gatwick -> victoria and back) without getting a separate rail pass, and those tix can be purchased at the airport, as well. Arin (been doing a lot of web surfing after I figured out that *I* was going) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Thu Sep 28 18:40:39 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:40:39 -0400 Subject: Fwd: URL correction & additional information for 9/29-10/1 shows Message-ID: Hello everyone...This is the final reminder regarding this weekend's Sloterdijk shows at the 30th annual bike day weekend, sponsored by the Freedomriders MC, Red Hill, PA (Montgomery County). In addition to the info below, we will now be utilizing a three monitor video installation as part of Saturday's show.. Come join us and camp for the weekend!!!!!! $30,00 get's you a alot of stuff..For complete details go to the Sloterdijk Control URL below, or visit the Freedomriders MC at: www.freedomriders.com Hope to see some of you there!!!! Peace, MIke http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net (SLOTERDIJK) Subject: URL correction & additional information for 9/29-10/1 shows Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 18:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Size: 3193 URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Sep 28 19:05:52 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:05:52 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail In-Reply-To: <200009281841.OAA22508@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, K Henderson wrote: > I see that BritRail passes are not available for purchase in the UK. (Does > anyone else think that's a little weird?) So, I see that a four-day > SouthEast BritRail pass (2nd class adult), usable over an 8-day period is > $105. Not so bad. But if I arrive at Gatwick on Oct. 19 at 5:30 AM and > then spend two days in the 'Downs' and Canterbury and then two days in > London (for HW & Motorhead), I still need transport back to Gatwick for a > Monday morning flight (there's no 5-day southeast pass). The train to > Gatwick I see I can get for $18 (via the same means as the BritRail pass), > but do I need to do that now? (i.e., can I get an express train to Gatwick > from Victoria for $18 or UKP equiv. just by showing up there?). I'd prefer > not to make up my mind about that now, as I *may* want to go to Gatwick > straight from the Academy Sun. night (and just nap at the terminal), and > (given the lateness of the hour) am not sure how to do that (i.e., what's > still running). Don't know about the Britrail stuff - sounds typically wrong-headed but if you could get them over here then it would make their internal offers look pretty pale I suppose. But anyway, the Gatwick Express you should be able to buy a ticket and walk onto, though if you wanted to be sure of a seat you might do well to buy the day before and reserve one. Last trains out of London tend to go shortly before midnight, and I've made it back out of town from every concert I've been to at the Academy so far. This one might go on a bit but since you're only going two stops up the line to board the Express I wouldn't be too worried. > I am also assuming that the SouthEast pass will include all of the London > Tubes as well, is that right? Don't know. If not, a Travelcard for Central London (there are six concentric zones, you might well not need more than the central two if you're only in London to change trains and see sights) won't hit you too hard. > Will there be any problem purchasing a MH ticket for Sunday, while there at > the BA box office Saturday night? Or should I order that one online as well? It might well sell out, I'd have thought, and the exchange rate is good for you guys at the moment... > Are the 'floor' tickets and balcony tickets really firm...ie., do they > really not allow you access to the other part(s) of the Academy? I'm on the > floor of course....I prefer to stand/move around whenever possible. I think the way it works is that a floor ticket doesn't allow you to enter the balcony seats and a balcony ticket doesn't let you onto the floor. I imagine both will cover the circle where the vendors will set up and the bars and the foyer. That's how I remember it last all-nighter anyway. Hope some of this helps, yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 28 19:20:14 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:20:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: BritRail In-Reply-To: <200009281841.OAA22508@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > I see that BritRail passes are not available for purchase in the > UK. (Does > anyone else think that's a little weird?) They're for tourist, not commuters, that's why... You can just turn up and get a ticket on the Gatwick Express, that's what most people do. Unless you're doing a lot of rail travel the pass might not save that much. > I am also assuming that the SouthEast pass will include all of the London > Tubes as well, is that right? Not at all sure, you'd better check with your travel agent. > Will there be any problem purchasing a MH ticket for Sunday, > while there at > the BA box office Saturday night? Or should I order that one > online as well? I expect the box office will be closed for other events, so get your Motorhead ticket in advance. > Are the 'floor' tickets and balcony tickets really firm...ie., do they > really not allow you access to the other part(s) of the Academy? > I'm on the > floor of course....I prefer to stand/move around whenever possible. Probably, I've had to get circle tickets for a couple of events there (Ramones, Kraftwerk) and there was no choice about it, circle it said so circle it was. But the downstairs is like a big sloping bar with a stage, you can walk for miles, and in and out to the bars, merchandise etc. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 28 20:59:59 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:59:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > > I'm absolutely sure that Al does thoroughly enjoy us winding > ourselves into twists over it, but what the hell, he's entertained me a > great deal, I'm happy if I can return the favour even slightly :-) True true and I thank you ;-) From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Sep 28 22:19:38 2000 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:19:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >I agree that some of the songs Al >envisaged as being in the full cycle were nothing to do with it in origin, >but against that I'd argue that the Pearlman-written ones certainly were, >since we know from the existence of `Subhuman' that the concept had a >form even back in '74. Albert passed on several reminiscences when he first joined the list, among them the first time Pearlman recounted the Imaginos story, in the attic of the old band house. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Sep 28 23:12:00 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:12:00 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: My ticket indicates "Stalls Standing". Is that the same thing as floor, or would that mean that we are packed like cattle standing in a "stall" on the outskirts of the floor such as one might find at a rodeo. I've never seen that, and this is kind of a stupid question, but it's getting close, and excitement and curiosity creeps in about these mundane details. :)) Also, anyone know where the Beehive and the venue is in relation to the tube station in Brixton and is a cab required to get there, or is it within reasonable walking distance? (If not, if anyone sees a guy wandering aimlessly around Brixton with a black T-shirt, brown leather jacket, long hair and graying goatee, help point me in the right direction, please.) Regards, Tom > > > > Are the 'floor' tickets and balcony tickets really firm...ie., do they > > really not allow you access to the other part(s) of the Academy? I'm on the > > floor of course....I prefer to stand/move around whenever possible. > > I think the way it works is that a floor ticket doesn't allow you > to enter the balcony seats and a balcony ticket doesn't let you onto the > floor. I imagine both will cover the circle where the vendors will set up > and the bars and the foyer. That's how I remember it last all-nighter > anyway. Hope some of this helps, yours, > Jon > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 28 22:59:29 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:59:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: Andy Gi. said... >> I see that BritRail passes are not available for purchase in the >> UK. (Does anyone else think that's a little weird?) > >They're for tourist, not commuters, that's why... British tourists don't ever tour the UK?? :) >You can just turn up and get a ticket on the Gatwick Express, that's what >most people do. Unless you're doing a lot of rail travel the pass might not >save that much. Well, I'm planning to head south to Brighton/Eastbourne for a day, then head over to Canterbury for another day, and then head back to London for the two days (Sat./Sun.). Sounds like the $105 + $18 Gatwick might be the best deal, as long as I can ride all the London tubes with my 4-day pass. I've spent an entire week in London before, so I don't know that I really need to do all that over again. I'm just wondering what the heck I should do with my pack full of stuff when I arrive in London. That's why I'm hoping for someone to offer me a space to toss my crap aside during the shows and give me a spot on the floor to crash or something. Sat. night mainly. (Anything in the Sussex/Kent corridor that I shouldn't miss, he asks never having been to that particular region of the world?) >> I am also assuming that the SouthEast pass will include all of the London >> Tubes as well, is that right? > >Not at all sure, you'd better check with your travel agent. Travel agent? What the hell is that? :) >> Will there be any problem purchasing a MH ticket for Sunday, >> while there at >> the BA box office Saturday night? Or should I order that one >> online as well? > >I expect the box office will be closed for other events, so get your >Motorhead ticket in advance. Yeah, I just discovered the floor is already sold out (according to Ticketmaster UK). So I'm in the balcony now for that one. I'll live. >> Are the 'floor' tickets and balcony tickets really firm...ie., do they >> really not allow you access to the other part(s) of the Academy? >> I'm on the floor of course....I prefer to stand/move around whenever >>possible. > >Probably, I've had to get circle tickets for a couple of events there >(Ramones, Kraftwerk) and there was no choice about it, circle it said so >circle it was. But the downstairs is like a big sloping bar with a stage, >you can walk for miles, and in and out to the bars, merchandise etc. Circle tickets? Dunno what you mean. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Will Brian Tawn be at Brixton? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 27 15:22:20 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:22:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: (Totally OFF!) Number 1s. In-Reply-To: <39D1FE96.8A707387@petronet.net> Message-ID: I Wuz Born Under A Wanderin' Star quite literally, pop pickers. the B-Side was I Talk To The Trees. by Clint Eastwood, of course , not Steve Hillage. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 02:15:32 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:15:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: BritRail In-Reply-To: <200009290405.AAA00885@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <200009290405.AAA00885 at mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K Henderson writes > >Circle tickets? Dunno what you mean. Circle = upstairs/balcony -- Jon From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Sep 29 05:34:23 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 03:34:23 -0600 Subject: WARRIOR CLUB EDITION Message-ID: Hello good people....Mike Coleman here....major apologies in advance to everyone I ever "flaked" on, fell out of touch, etc....my lifestyle ate holes in my soul....still trying to shake out from under the black cloud..... But anyway....If anyone cares,,,or would deal with me...I am very desperate to replace a copy of the "WARRIOR" LP ATCO/USA/RCA record club pressing...an old friend of mine reappeared in my life, who is now an nutcase full of god-knows-what-prozac-type-cocktails(hooked on it)...and stole a hawkwind tape from me, then tried to use having been drunk as an excuse.. ..when he showed up with it grinning...I was at the ready with a garden tool(the one with 3 claws)..and effectively removed him from my house ...But I later forgave him and let him back in....now my beloved warrior is gone.....I have tons of extra rare stuff to trade (for example..I'd trade a sealed box set warrior CD for a mint vinyl copy of the club edition)....I will pay a fortune to replace this item if it's mint vinyl...don't even need the cover...also, I can replace with a mint standard issue...It is only identified as the club issue on the label..NOT the cover...it's newly assigned catalog #is..R-133555.... If anyone ever can help me with great shape vinyl..talk to me...i collect it all with fiery eyes..I need a mint german warrior sleeve, and australian, for example....willing to try hard to help you out back....(will buy or trade for whole items of course, or trade for sleeve upgrades!!!) Anybody ever happens upon any of the Hassan 45's...walk this way please if you don't play crackly vinyl.... I have some great japaneese rarities stashed.... hope I haven't used too much space here ..this is my first post...apologies if it's a bore.... MC PS--does anyone know what the deal with the "Time Of Hawklords" hardback edition is...I had one with no dustjacket, got another, and this one has the jacket, but the book itself has no art on it....it is my understanding this printing is already a re-issue from the paperbacks???? how many printings?? which is rarer??? Later....... From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Fri Sep 29 05:06:33 2000 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:06:33 +0100 Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: I suspect some bugger will now backward engineer all our answers in an attempt to work out how old we all are :)) I'll have a look but I recall my mum telling me it was Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. Mark (Hasbeen) From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 05:00:07 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:00:07 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: Fret not... "stalls" is our quaint way of saying "the downstairs seating area" ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: HW: OFF: BritRail > > > My ticket indicates "Stalls Standing". Is that the same > thing as floor, or would that mean that we are packed like > cattle standing in a "stall" on the outskirts > of the floor such as one might find at a rodeo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 05:03:26 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:03:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: "Circle" is above the "stalls" & below "the balcony" Aaaah, the rich linguistic history of British theatre :-{)> ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:59 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: BritRail > > > Circle tickets? Dunno what you mean. > > Grakkl (FAA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:23:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos, parts 2 and 9 (or that's what it was) In-Reply-To: <39D3E98E.72BCEC4B@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 28 Sep 00, at 20:59, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > > > > I'm absolutely sure that Al does thoroughly enjoy us winding > > ourselves into twists over it, I bet he does too! Wasn't that the point of writing it in the first place? BOC was always enigmatic, not just the Imaginos-cycle tunes... but what the hell, he's entertained > > me a great deal, I'm happy if I can return the favour even slightly Man, you got that right! I wonder how many hours I've spent listening to Al's music? Damn, it would be frightening to figure that out! theo From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Sep 29 10:37:07 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:37:07 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: BritRail In-Reply-To: <39D4087F.72F50849@petronet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Tom Clark wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: OFF: BritRail : :Also, anyone know where the Beehive and the venue is in relation to the tube :station in Brixton and is a cab required to get there, or is it within reasonable :walking distance? (If not, if anyone sees a guy wandering aimlessly around :Brixton with a black T-shirt, brown leather jacket, long hair and graying goatee, :help point me in the right direction, please.) : ...and what time are we all gathering at the beehive again? (...and if anyone sees a short woman with short dark hair wandering about aimlessly, that'd be me.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 29 15:24:20 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:24:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: I said... >>You can just turn up and get a ticket on the Gatwick Express, that's what >>most people do. Unless you're doing a lot of rail travel the pass might not >>save that much. > >Well, I'm planning to head south to Brighton/Eastbourne for a day, then head >over to Canterbury for another day, and then head back to London for the two >days (Sat./Sun.). Sounds like the $105 + $18 Gatwick might be the best >deal, as long as I can ride all the London tubes with my 4-day pass. OK, well, the BritRail passes are not usable on the London Underground, though some of the 'National Rail' lines do go into some stations in London, e.g. Victoria Station. There's a nice multicolor map at http://www.londonunderground.co.uk/images/lon_con.jpg that shows you how the national rails (in white) and the LU (various colors) link up. However, this will actually save me money, 'cause I have discovered that a weekend LU travelcard only runs about 6 UKP (or 7 UKP, if you need to go out as far as Zone Six, where Heathrow is). And so I can now get just a three-day SouthEast Brit Rail pass for $74 (saving $31 wrt the 4-day) and then only pay about $10 eq. for the Sat-Sun LU pass. And then (since Gatwick is well outside Zone Six to the south) pay another 10.20 UKP (=$16?) for the Gatwick Express (www.gatwickexpress.co.uk) to get 'home'. These run all night long I've discovered, every hour on the half-hour between 12:30 AM and 4:30 AM, and then every 15 minutes during the bulk of the day (specifically from Victoria I believe). Anyway, $100 for transportation for five days seems pretty reasonable...a lot easier than screwing around with a car that's for sure. I'm completely unfamiliar with train travel (other than that one week in London in 1986) as I've *never* been on a train in the US in my entire life, but I know it's the way to go over there. What does petrol cost, about 1 UKP per liter? It's about three or four times cheaper than that over here, and it's high right now! The London tubes seem to run until about 12:30 AM, so it's a question whether the Motorhead show would get out in time to zip over to Victoria, esp. if you (I) needed to stop off someplace else on the way. Plus, the weekend pass would theoretically go dead at midnight, and not sure if they'd grant a half-hour grace period. With Hawkwind, if you stayed through to the bitter end (>hours of horrible rave crap?) I guess the tubes would be up and running again. :) One last site I found that might be of help to other travellers... www.railtrack.co.uk There you can access an interactive timetable and figure out how to go from place to place. But they don't give you prices...which if you have an unlimited pass doesn't matter I suppose. Enough logistix for now... Grakkl (FAA) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 17:23:07 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:23:07 EDT Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/00 5:16:34 AM, mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM writes: << I'll have a look but I recall my mum telling me it was Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. >> ===== the searchers covered in the '80s by the ramones ps>not sure, but co-written by sonny bono? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 29 17:54:08 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:54:08 -0700 Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:23:07 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 9/29/00 5:16:34 AM, mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM writes: ><< >I'll have a look but I recall my mum telling me it was >Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. >>> >===== >the searchers > >covered in the '80s by the ramones > >ps>not sure, but co-written by sonny bono? Sure enough, by Sonny Bono (surprisingly NOT under a psuedonym, as were most of his better known compositions for other folks - see "She Said Yeah" [Larry Williams, Rolling Stones, Flamin' Groovies] by one "S. Christy") and (probably mostly) the (recently) late, (very, very) great, Jack Nietzche. Artists listed include Jack DeShannon (the original hit version, I think?), the Ramones, Tom Petty, and CHER. info courtesy of the BMI songs database: http://repertoire.bmi.com/ (most songs not in the BMI database can be found in the ASCAP one at: http://www.ascap.com/ace/ACE.html) Very useful databases, no matter what one's opinion on the owners' is ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 18:10:01 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:10:01 EDT Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/00 6:02:59 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: <not sure, but co-written by sonny bono? Sure enough, by Sonny Bono (surprisingly NOT under a psuedonym,] == .....also 'laugh at me', off of his 1st solo lp, covered on the 1st mott the hoople lp.... "<>" From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 18:27:17 2000 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (Dave Hess) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:27:17 EDT Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/00 6:02:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << I'll have a look but I recall my mum telling me it was >Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. >>> >===== >the searchers > >covered in the '80s by the ramones >> And CRACK THE SKY C-Yaaaaaaaaaa Dave I I /\\ /I /\ /--l--I\ I I---\ I-- I----\ I------I /----\\ /\ / I/ \ /\ / I I \ I I I I- I I I I/ \\/ \/ I \ \/ \/ --I--I \I I__/ I_ I__/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 29 18:41:29 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:41:29 -0700 Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:27:17 EDT, Dave Hess wrote: >>>>Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. > >covered in the '80s by the ramones >> >And CRACK THE SKY When th'heck did Crack the Sky do that song? The only cover version I knew they did was "I Am The Walrus" (which I own the 12" promo edited version of ... heh heh ... it's cheaper than kollekting Hawkwind!). I'm a big CtS fan from having lived in Baltimore for four years, and one of the bands I'm in covers "All American Boy", from 'White Music', my fave CtS LP, but I'll admit I've never really delved into their post-Lifesong output ... (obVagueOnTopicness - Crack the Sky were probably the only other "mainstream" American 70s rock band that delved into irony and tongue-in-cheekiness nearly as much as BOC did) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 21:47:12 2000 From: HAWKWINDED at AOL.COM (Dave Hess) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:47:12 EDT Subject: OFF : Way off Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/00 6:56:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << >>>>Needles and Pins, can't remember who by tho'. > >covered in the '80s by the ramones >> >And CRACK THE SKY When th'heck did Crack the Sky do that song? >>on the (world in motion) LP but I'll admit I've never really delved into their post-Lifesong output ... Go get (from the green house) it's one of there best. C-Yaaaaaaaaaa Dave I I /\\ /I /\ /--l--I\ I I---\ I-- I----\ I------I /----\\ /\ / I/ \ /\ / I I \ I I I I- I I I I/ \\/ \/ I \ \/ \/ --I--I \I I__/ I_ I__/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sat Sep 30 01:02:34 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:02:34 -0400 Subject: OFF : Way off In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000929145408.00987e50@pop.sirius.com>; from ceres@SIRIUS.COM on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 02:54:08PM -0700 Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 02:54:08PM -0700, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:23:07 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >[Needles and Pins] > >ps>not sure, but co-written by sonny bono? > > Sure enough, by Sonny Bono (surprisingly NOT under a psuedonym [...] > > Artists listed include Jack DeShannon (the original hit version, I think?), > the Ramones, Tom Petty, and CHER. That'd be Jackie DeShannon, of "Put a Little Love in Your Heart" fame. > info courtesy of the BMI songs database: > http://repertoire.bmi.com/ > (most songs not in the BMI database can be found in the ASCAP one at: > http://www.ascap.com/ace/ACE.html) Oh, cool! I've bookmarked those for sure. > Very useful databases, no matter what one's opinion on the owners' is ... I take it yours is bad. Why? (Honest question; not being a musician, I know roughly what these outfits're supposed to do, but not how well or badly they do it.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. - Chris Garrigues From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Sat Sep 30 05:21:15 2000 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:21:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: BritRail Message-ID: You can get prices as well as train times from www.thetrainline.com or www.virgintrains.co.uk - both of which will, I think, give you the same results as they are basically the same thing with a slightly different front end. Do not, however, necessarily believe what they tell you about ticket availability, i.e. they have a habit of showing no tickets available when you could certainly buy them at a station. Alun >One last site I found that might be of help to other travellers... >www.railtrack.co.uk >There you can access an interactive timetable and figure out how to go from >place to place. But they don't give you prices...which if you have an >unlimited pass doesn't matter I suppose. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Sep 30 08:41:14 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:41:14 EDT Subject: WARRIOR CLUB EDITION Message-ID: In a message dated 9/29/00 4:18:37 AM EST, cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK writes: << (yes, Jill, I'm still managing to sleep at nights! *g*) >> Sleep is for Suckers;) Bill From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Sep 30 17:40:25 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:40:25 +0100 Subject: One more Message-ID: Ticket arrived, flights booked, hotel reserved...guess I'll see you there. Any info on the running order yet? 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