From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Nov 1 00:42:04 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:42:04 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: I'm 28!!!! is that young compared to most people on here? to be honest never thought much before about the ages of the people that post here. colm icq 62753543 -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 31 October 2000 22:09 Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? >ME! ME! (I wish) >I'm 42 years young. > >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:31 AM >Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > >> Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in >> our little group? >> Certainly ain't me? >> Andy Garibaldi. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Stockwell" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:46 AM >> Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? >> >> >> > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? >> > > > Or am I alone? >> > >> > You are never alone ... as vague as that may sound. >> > >> > Richard >> > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Nov 1 00:47:15 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:47:15 -0000 Subject: Catain Rizz???? Message-ID: could someone put me out of my misery please? I recently got in your area and a live bootleg both with the usual hawkwind members but on the line up is listed a captain rizz. Who is this guy? Is he the one shouting over the top of some of the hawkwind songs on these cd's? kinda in a cod reggae toasting style. My favourite(not!) line is "hawkwind in the area, jump up and down and swing yourself around!!!" Bloody awful if you ask me. Is he an official band member? And if so why didn't he show up for the Hawkestra? cheers colm From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Nov 1 00:52:01 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:52:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling vs Atomhenge (Ham & Bristol?) In-Reply-To: <004801c04385$cc1c6c20$6540893e@jezd> Message-ID: Hi At 21:53 31.10.2000 +0000, you wrote: >Is the quality of Atomhenge better than Thrilling (which has had >most of its life removed from it)?. I've only the single THRILLING here (is the double one the complete gig ??). And I must say that the sound on ATOMEHENGE is better. Do not know about the sound quality of the double THRILLING >Is it from Bristol, Colston Hall? It's not from Hammersmith Odeon Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Nov 1 00:54:57 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:54:57 +0100 Subject: Catain Rizz???? In-Reply-To: <002f01c043c7$3b235ca0$1165883e@dj-gypo> Message-ID: Hi At 05:47 01.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: >Who is this guy? Is he the one shouting over the >top of some of the hawkwind songs on these cd's? kinda in a cod >reggae toasting style. Yes, thats Mr. RIZZ And I am very happy he is not in the line-up any more Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Nov 1 03:35:08 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:35:08 -0700 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: I'm 38, 39 in 6 weeks. My mind is about 17 or 18, I think! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > Hi > > At 05:47 01.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: > >Who is this guy? Is he the one shouting over the > >top of some of the hawkwind songs on these cd's? kinda in a cod >reggae > toasting style. > > Yes, thats Mr. RIZZ > > And I am very happy he is not in the line-up any more > I think I'm the only one round here who thought he was great (at times) - mind you, I only saw him once (Coney Island High) and was completely plastered... :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 1 04:38:55 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:38:55 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > Age : Its only a state of mind. > > Is that the Spirit of the... Ahem. I'll get me coat. :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 1 04:39:35 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:39:35 -0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: >You Should try Benylin Cough Medicine. >Its Fab. One teaspoonful knocks you out for acouple of days. Mix it with brandy. :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From IainFerguson at CS.COM Wed Nov 1 04:49:12 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:49:12 EST Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: The spirit of my age is Tequilla and is being supped by a reforming 34 year old. , though not much reforming was done at the Hawkestra event however, seems like I slipped back 10years. what a laugh !!!! Iain See you at the xmas bash. <> From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 05:07:45 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:07:45 -0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: About what I'd expect from you :o{P> ChrisW (44 going on 17) > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: No drugs > > > >You Should try Benylin Cough Medicine. > > >Its Fab. One teaspoonful knocks you out for acouple of days. > > Mix it with brandy. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 05:12:36 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:12:36 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > From: [mailto:IainFerguson at CS.COM] > > The spirit of my age is Tequilla and is being supped by a > reforming 34 year old. , Laphroaig... though I've been drinking that since I visited the distillery at the tender age of 17 (with the Scouts!!!) > --snip -- < (Am I the only one who remembers how to do this any more?) > Iain > See you at the xmas bash. Do we know where to get tickets from yet? > < > Is that the Spirit of the... > > Ahem. I'll get me coat. >> Do that *GGG* ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 05:14:45 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:14:45 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > From: Michael Blackman [mailto:michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU] > > Allright - lets all lay the cards down on the table > > I'm 32 - do I win?? > Not even close... 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URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 1 05:37:17 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:37:17 -0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: A favourite tipple of Brian Robertson apparently. :-) R. > About what I'd expect from you :o{P> > > ChrisW (44 going on 17) > > > > > >You Should try Benylin Cough Medicine. > > > > >Its Fab. One teaspoonful knocks you out for acouple of days. > > > > Mix it with brandy. > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Nov 1 06:09:33 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:09:33 +0100 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <00c401c04387$86b308e0$150dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Hi all, >Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in >our little group? I'm 22 and my sister (who isn't on BOC-L but was with me at Brixton) is 18. (c)IAO D+R NP: Gong "Live 2 Infinitea" From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 1 06:38:26 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:38:26 -0000 Subject: BOC: Whoo! Scary! Message-ID: I've just heard Snuff's version of DFtR! It ROARS! :-) Cheers, R. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 1 06:31:59 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:31:59 +1000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Jeez - you're making me feel old - at 50 - but I've been a HW fan since around '71. Finally got to see them live this year ... the penalty for living down under (like you, Richard). Could never get to see them during my infrequent forays to the other hemisphere. They certainly did a lot to make my various chemical sessions more enjoyable in those days! Tony M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Stockwell [mailto:richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2000 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > > Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the > YOUNGEST person > in our little group? > > OK so who's the oldest then. I'm not ashamed - I'm 47 next month. > > Richard > From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Nov 1 07:16:12 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:16:12 +1300 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Finally got to see them live this year ... the penalty for living down under (like you, Richard). Could never get to see them during my infrequent forays to the other >hemisphere. Where are you Tony ... Aus or NZ ? Richard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 1 06:25:46 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:25:46 EDT Subject: Catain Rizz???? In-Reply-To: <002f01c043c7$3b235ca0$1165883e@dj-gypo> Message-ID: On 1 Nov 00, at 5:47, bedroom trancer wrote: > could someone put me out of my misery please? I recently got in your > area and a live bootleg both with the usual hawkwind members but on > the line up is listed a captain rizz. Who is this guy? Is he the one > shouting over the top of some of the hawkwind songs on these cd's? > kinda in a cod reggae toasting style. My favourite(not!) line is > "hawkwind in the area, jump up and down and swing yourself around!!!" > Bloody awful if you ask me. Is he an official band member? And if so > why didn't he show up for the Hawkestra? > He was probably warned that Lemmy would've killed him! theo From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 1 07:28:59 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:28:59 -0400 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <001301c04389$f5b479c0$546177d4@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: >> Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in >> our little group? >> Certainly ain't me? > > Me 22 :). > > Alissa Sounds like you and Dennis have it. I'm 25, but was weaned on BOC-L from the tender age of 18. Wow, has it been that long? I had never heard of Hawkwind when I joined, now I have more HW albums than just about any other band in my collection (BOC excluded). Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 1 07:33:42 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:33:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Whoo! Scary! In-Reply-To: <014901c043f8$401c97e0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Details please. Is it better than Apollo 440's version? Better than the one from the Frighteners soundtrack? Better than a sunny summer day by the seaside? Brian ->Gave out candy to approx. 140 kids for Halloween this year, Black Sabbath blasting from the upstairs window -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com > I've just heard Snuff's version of DFtR! It ROARS! > > :-) > > Cheers, > > R. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Wed Nov 1 09:28:51 2000 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:28:51 -0500 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <3c.2e04c37.2730d288@aol.com> Message-ID: Well, I'm 30, but I heard a 22 earlier ... Rob THV On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Joe Loehr wrote: > In a message dated 10/31/00 7:54:29 PM Central Standard Time, > michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: > > > > > Allright - lets all lay the cards down on the table > > I'm 32 - do I win?? > > > > > > > Ya bet me--I'm 35 > > > Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 1 10:49:53 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:49:53 +0300 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > > Me 22 :). > > > > Alissa > > Sounds like you and Dennis have it. I'm 25, but was weaned on BOC-L from the > tender age of 18. Wow, has it been that long? I had never heard of Hawkwind > when I joined, now I have more HW albums than just about any other band in > my collection (BOC excluded). And I began to listen Hawkwind and gather their albums in 1995 (April 1st - when I bought 1st album :)), when I was 16. F Now I have about 70 cds of Hawkwind and related. Alissa From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 1 11:29:57 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:29:57 +0100 Subject: HW: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: Just bought the new MM CD "God says no". Haven?t heard it yet. On the inner sleeve pic Dave Wyndorf is wearing a HAWKWIND T-Shirt! Doremi design - might be the one Jim Lascko is selling. Andreas From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 1 10:38:54 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:38:54 -0400 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <000d01c0441b$863993e0$816477d4@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: > And I began to listen Hawkwind and gather their albums in 1995 (April 1st - > when I bought 1st album :)), when I was 16. F Now I have about 70 cds of > Hawkwind and related. > > Alissa Have you tried any Blue Oyster Cult CDs? They don't sound much like Hawkwind, but Michael Moorcock wrote a few songs for them and they have a similar sci-fi bent to their music, but with more horror aspects. I recommend the Secret Treaties album as a place to start. The albums with Michael Moorcock songs are Mirrors (Great Sun Jester), Cultosaurus Erectus (Black Blade), and Fire of Unknown Origin (Veteran of the Psychic Wars). Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 1 11:45:21 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:45:21 +0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Brian Halligan wrote: > >> Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in > >> our little group? > >> Certainly ain't me? > > > > Me 22 :). > > > > Alissa > > Sounds like you and Dennis have it. I'm also 22 - August birthday. Icyi, my first introduction to HW was playing Live Chronicles (2CD), which a housemate owned, because I fancied Jon Jarrett and connected HW with him. I wasn't entirely puy off, but I still shudder at the words 'Live Chronicles' My first BOC was an evening at Carl's where he was attemptin to persuade a friend she likes them :) (It worked on both of us - only last night she accosted me with the words "YOu've got Blue Oyster Cult on your cheek"). Both were about 3-4 years ago. Also icyi, I theoretically drink to excess and smoke dope, but don;t actually do either.Nor do I currently abuse any legal drug. I haven' notvived any lAck in musical appreciation. And, if reading from a lap counts, I guess Benedict Jarrett is the youngest - 18 months and 'reading' from my lap now :) He also likes both HW and BOC, and, more particularly, the Hawklords album. Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 1 10:47:05 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:47:05 EDT Subject: HW: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: <13r0lx-1aXHZiC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: On 1 Nov 00, at 17:29, Andreas Stuewe wrote: > Just bought the new MM CD "God says no". Haven?t heard it yet. On the > inner sleeve pic Dave Wyndorf is wearing a HAWKWIND T-Shirt! Doremi > design - might be the one Jim Lascko is selling. Hey, give us a review of MM. I want it! theo From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 1 11:47:35 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:47:35 +0000 Subject: HW: CHristmas /New Year party In-Reply-To: <003f01c04302$c64e7500$cfcd223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: > I'd rather be doing both - obviously not at the same time :) > Obviously not at the same time? Surely a beach in the Caribbean is the ideal place for a Hawkwind gig? Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Nov 1 13:44:12 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:44:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Thrilling vs Atomhenge (Ham & Bristol?) Message-ID: Thrilling is a single cd, i bought it a while back it was released on griffin. I remember Dave Brock replying to my question on the open forum saying that the 'thrilling' griffin version has the best bits from the wierd (atomhenge) version and that the sound quality was better on the thrilling version rather than on the atomhenge one. i now am confused is the sound quality better on the atomhenge version then? maybe DB was wrong? colm icq 62753543 -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 01 November 2000 05:53 Subject: Re: HW: Thrilling vs Atomhenge (Ham & Bristol?) >Hi > >At 21:53 31.10.2000 +0000, you wrote: >>Is the quality of Atomhenge better than Thrilling (which has had >most of >its life removed from it)?. > >I've only the single THRILLING here (is the double one the complete gig >??). And I must say that the sound on ATOMEHENGE is better. > >Do not know about the sound quality of the double THRILLING > > > >>Is it from Bristol, Colston Hall? >It's not from Hammersmith Odeon > > >Bernhard > From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 14:25:38 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:25:38 +0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: I'm 31 too, maybe we should do star signs some day! flossbac wrote: > I'm 31 these days... not quite so young any longer.... > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > > > Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in > > our little group? > > Certainly ain't me? > > Andy Garibaldi. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Stockwell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > > > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > > > > Or am I alone? > > > > > > You are never alone ... as vague as that may sound. > > > > > > Richard > > From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Wed Nov 1 14:19:04 2000 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:19:04 -0000 Subject: BOC: Whoo! Scary! Message-ID: I also have a copy of this. Originally given out as a free flexi-disc at one of Snuff's London gigs it now appears on the 5 track 'Not Listening' EP. It's the last track. It *does* roar. IMO it's better than Apollo 440's. It has a kind of Green Day crossed with Black Sabbath feel to it, still played with atmosphere. .......Charles the Grinning Boy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Whoo! Scary! > Details please. Is it better than Apollo 440's version? Better than the one > from the Frighteners soundtrack? Better than a sunny summer day by the > seaside? > > Brian > ->Gave out candy to approx. 140 kids for Halloween this year, Black Sabbath > blasting from the upstairs window > > -- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com > > > > I've just heard Snuff's version of DFtR! It ROARS! > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 1 14:39:04 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:39:04 -0600 Subject: HW: spacebrock differences Message-ID: Hey there folks, I've finally listening to the copy of spacebrock I picked up at the Hawkestra. I know that AndyG mentioned that this was a not complete version.... Other than the missing tracks (dreamers and earth breath?), what else is going to be different about the main release? Thanks, Arin (I quite like what I'm hearing, though....) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 1 13:55:40 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:55:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Whoo! Scary! In-Reply-To: <011401c04439$89607ac0$a52e8cd4@preinstalledco> Message-ID: > I also have a copy of this. Originally given out as a free flexi-disc at one > of Snuff's London gigs it now appears on the 5 track 'Not Listening' EP. > It's the last track. It *does* roar. IMO it's better than Apollo 440's. It > has a kind of Green Day crossed with Black Sabbath feel to it, still played > with atmosphere. > > .......Charles the Grinning Boy Yeah, Rich hooked-me up with an mp3. I agree, it's a stonkin' cover version. Does Snuff get any airplay in the UK? I've never heard of them. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Nov 1 15:29:53 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:29:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling vs Atomhenge (Ham & Bristol?) In-Reply-To: <00a301c04433$c570d1a0$b660883e@dj-gypo> Message-ID: Hi At 18:44 01.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: >Thrilling is a single cd, i bought it a while back it was released on >griffin. I remember Dave Brock replying to my question on the open forum >saying that the 'thrilling' griffin version has the best bits from the wierd >(atomhenge) version and that the sound quality was better on the thrilling >version rather than on the atomhenge one. > >i now am confused is the sound quality better on the atomhenge version then? > >maybe DB was wrong? Well, I've got here both: The THRILLING single CD and the ATOMHENGE76 doulble CD-R The ATOMHENGE has the following track list: intro / reefer madness / paradox / chronoglide skyway / hassan i sahba / brainstorm / wind of change / instrumental / steppenwolf / uncle sam's on mars / time for sale / back on the streets / sonic attack / kerb crawler It is about 82 minutes long and has BETTER sound quality than the single THRILLING. Both recordings are from the SAME Autumn 1976 gig (not HAMMERSMITH 05.10.76!) The ATOMEHENG sleeve says that it is from BRISTOL 27.09.1976 cheers Bernhard From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 1 15:31:24 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:31:24 +0300 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > Icyi, my first introduction to HW was playing Live Chronicles (2CD), Me too! :) Alissa From coral at APORT.RU Wed Nov 1 15:33:50 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:33:50 +0300 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > Have you tried any Blue Oyster Cult CDs? They don't sound much like > Hawkwind, but Michael Moorcock wrote a few songs for them and they have a > similar sci-fi bent to their music, but with more horror aspects. > > I recommend the Secret Treaties album as a place to start. The albums with > Michael Moorcock songs are Mirrors (Great Sun Jester), Cultosaurus Erectus > (Black Blade), and Fire of Unknown Origin (Veteran of the Psychic Wars). I've tried Mirrors and Cultosaurus. But honestly their music didn't appeal to me. I like it but not as much as Hawkwind for example. Alissa From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Nov 1 14:42:39 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:42:39 -0400 Subject: Trying BOC (was: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind??????) In-Reply-To: <001401c04443$0b6d8b80$596177d4@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: >> I recommend the Secret Treaties album as a place to start. The albums with >> Michael Moorcock songs are Mirrors (Great Sun Jester), Cultosaurus Erectus >> (Black Blade), and Fire of Unknown Origin (Veteran of the Psychic Wars). > > I've tried Mirrors and Cultosaurus. But honestly their music didn't appeal > to me. I like it but not as much as Hawkwind for example. > > Alissa Fair enough. The early albums sound much different (BOC, Tyranny & Mutation, and Secret Treaties). They have a thinner, more raw sound with complex drumming and some jazzy overtones. But still, they're probably not different enough to make you a die hard BOC fan. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Wed Nov 1 14:44:12 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:44:12 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Nope - I'm 32 as well (26/06/1968). Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:53 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > Allright - lets all lay the cards down on the table > > I'm 32 - do I win?? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:01 AM > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in > > our little group? > > Certainly ain't me? > > Andy Garibaldi. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Stockwell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > > > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > > > > Or am I alone? > > > > > > You are never alone ... as vague as that may sound. > > > > > > Richard > > > From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 1 16:19:21 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:19:21 -0500 Subject: HW: XMAS Update Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS XMAS Party Update now on Mission Control www.hawkwind.org.uk MESSAGE ENDS++ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 17:40:40 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:40:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Whoo! Scary! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Brian Halligan writes >Yeah, Rich hooked-me up with an mp3. I agree, it's a stonkin' cover version. >Does Snuff get any airplay in the UK? I've never heard of them. > >Brian They've been around for about 10 or 12 years but they did split up for a while. I like their early stuff like "Flibbiddydibbidydob" and "Snuff Says". Vintage skate punk, from when skate punk bands were still good. Grumble, grumble. -- Jon From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 17:58:55 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:58:55 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Wow - that's amazing; good on you. I've been around one hell of a lot longer and don't have that many, but that's the danger of being in retail for all these years - you sell things you want thinking you'll have the next one only to find the next one never comes. But somehow, it's really gratifying to hear you say this and it just goes to show that if more 'young people' (sorry if that sounds patronising but no other way of putting it) could be exposed to the Hawkwind bug, there'd be a whole new generation of Hawkfans. Of course I'll be those of you older types with families have tried to get their offspring into Hawkwind and no doubt without success, as kids generally hate what their parents like. Probably be the case when the current techno/trance/drum 'n' bass set get to have children, they'll be mortified when junior comes home with a Hawkwind album!!! Then it starts all over....but of course we're all on crutches by then. Andy Garibaldi (trying to be entertaining for once). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alissa" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > Me 22 :). > > > > > > Alissa > > > > Sounds like you and Dennis have it. I'm 25, but was weaned on BOC-L from > the > > tender age of 18. Wow, has it been that long? I had never heard of > Hawkwind > > when I joined, now I have more HW albums than just about any other band in > > my collection (BOC excluded). > > And I began to listen Hawkwind and gather their albums in 1995 (April 1st - > when I bought 1st album :)), when I was 16. F Now I have about 70 cds of > Hawkwind and related. > > Alissa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:03:29 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:03:29 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Oh well -that blows my posting to Alissa out of the water - keep up the goood work everyone while I keep taking the tablets (figuratively!!) Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Procter" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Brian Halligan wrote: > > > >> Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person in > > >> our little group? > > >> Certainly ain't me? > > > > > > Me 22 :). > > > > > > Alissa > > > > Sounds like you and Dennis have it. > > I'm also 22 - August birthday. > > Icyi, my first introduction to HW was playing Live Chronicles (2CD), > which a housemate owned, because I fancied Jon Jarrett and connected HW > with him. I wasn't entirely puy off, but I still shudder at the words > 'Live Chronicles' > My first BOC was an evening at Carl's where he was attemptin to persuade > a friend she likes them :) (It worked on both of us - only last night > she accosted me with the words "YOu've got Blue Oyster Cult on your > cheek"). Both were about 3-4 years ago. > > Also icyi, I theoretically drink to excess and smoke dope, but don;t > actually do either.Nor do I currently abuse any legal drug. I haven' > notvived any lAck in musical appreciation. > > And, if reading from a lap counts, I guess Benedict Jarrett is the > youngest - 18 months and 'reading' from my lap now :) He also likes both > HW and BOC, and, more particularly, the Hawklords album. > > Kirsten > -- > Kirsten Procter ghoti > NP: Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:06:50 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:06:50 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: and all this time I thought Mr Parr was a real person - well I never!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:31 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > Age : Its only a state of mind. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: flossbac > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > I'm 31 these days... not quite so young any longer.... > > John Majka > > flossbac at nlci.com > > > > > > > Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person > in > > > our little group? > > > Certainly ain't me? > > > Andy Garibaldi. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Richard Stockwell" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > > > > > Or am I alone? > > > > > > > > You are never alone ... as vague as that may sound. > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:10:43 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:10:43 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: sounds like you might be. Beats me (thank goodness). Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stockwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:13 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person > in our little group? > > OK so who's the oldest then. I'm not ashamed - I'm 47 next month. > > Richard From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:14:12 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:14:12 -0000 Subject: HW: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: yep - tell us what you think - I'd love to know. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stuewe" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: HW: New Monster Magnet Album > Just bought the new MM CD "God says no". Haven?t heard it yet. On the inner > sleeve pic Dave Wyndorf is wearing a HAWKWIND T-Shirt! Doremi design - might be > the one Jim Lascko is selling. > > Andreas From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:16:11 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:16:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Black Sword DVD Message-ID: 'Chronicle' DVD now in stock here at CDS towers. It is available in shops but if you do have to miss me out and use yer local - one word of advice - four of ours arrived with nasty scratch marks on the DVD, so check before you buy. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ball" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: Black Sword DVD > Sounds like the old Black Sword Video CD that I have... I hope the video > quality on DVD is much better...... > > > > > > >> ... and it includes (according to the URL) the four songs from the encore: > >> 'Coded Languages', 'Born To Go', 'Utopia' and 'Levitation' > >> ... that aren't on *any* of the audio versions of 'Live Chronicles'. > >'bout > >> time! > >> > >> And I'm not going to be able to play this on an American-marketed DVD > >> machine, am I? > >> > > > >Yes, there is always a way. Such as, on computer or a player that plays all > >regions. > > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:25:59 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:25:59 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Yes - but isn't it great to know that there is such a wide age range of fans into the band - well, it brightens me up, anyway. Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:42 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > I'm 28!!!! > > is that young compared to most people on here? > > to be honest never thought much before about the ages of the people that > post here. > > colm > > icq 62753543 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cynthia > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 31 October 2000 22:09 > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > >ME! ME! (I wish) > >I'm 42 years young. > > > >Bill > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:31 AM > >Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > > >> Bernard's bit about age inspires me to ask - who is the YOUNGEST person > in > >> our little group? > >> Certainly ain't me? > >> Andy Garibaldi. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Richard Stockwell" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > >> > >> > >> > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > >> > > > Or am I alone? > >> > > >> > You are never alone ... as vague as that may sound. > >> > > >> > Richard > >> > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:40:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:40:01 -0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Dahl To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM Subject: Re: No drugs >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who spends way to much of his time trying to save people who have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. The problem occurs when you take so much that your body cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an increased frequency than recommended (which provides no greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? Probably not. (what a prude I am) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 18:47:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:47:36 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Hey - the one thing I realised for the first time in a long while at Brixton - there sure ain't no stereotypes for this band no more - but semi-vegetarian? Not sure if I can cope with that? Tried vegetarianism once - lasted about ten weeks then caved in at the supermarket!!! Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "flossbac" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > This is an interesting topic you have brought up. I think it's evident to > anyone familiar with Hawkwind that they are considered by many to be a "drug > band" whatever that means....but certainly most fans I've run into have been > potheads at the least, and most were interested in consuming other > substances as well. For myself, I've never used any drug, nor have I ever > been drunk, nor do I smoke. I just never saw the point as far as I was > concerned... I like Hawkwind just fine without chemically altering myself. > I'm also semi-vegetarian (I mean to say that I have a reduced meat diet... I > rarely if ever eat it), and I'm gay. So I don't imagine I fit most of the > stereotypes of the typical Hawkwind fan. > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > > > > I watched the last couple of songs @ Hawkestra,Brixton from the circle. > > At the end,as everyone started leaving their seats,a guy stumbled into me > > from behind looking in a bad way..... > > "Are you OK mate?",I asked > > " Ugh...errrrr.....Have you got any dope?" he asked. To which I > replied........ > > "No mate.....I'm not into that". > > "Then what the f**k are you doing here!",he replied > > "I've never needed it", I said > > "Ahhhh...f**king bollocks!",was the response. > > > > Now.......some questions for all you Hawksters out there. > > I've been following HW since 1972.......and......(this is the truth)....I > > have never taken drugs ( ie Dope,LSD,etc). > > In fact the most lethal concoction I used to consume prior to a HW gig in > > my late teens was a few pints of Whitbread Trophy........( Now beat that > > for pure shit!!!!!) > > Am I mad? Is it really possible to enjoy HW without the aid of mind > > altering drugs? > > Are there any other fans out there that 'get off' on HW without getting > > 'stoned'? > > Or........am I the odd one out? All my mates at college use to say to me > > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'. > > I didn't agree then and at 43 yrs old now I still don't agree. > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > Or am I alone? > > > > Mel > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 19:04:08 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:04:08 -0000 Subject: HW: CHristmas /New Year party Message-ID: Midnight - middle of July - on the beach - anywhere along the best part of the coast of Almeria, South East Spain. My ideal spot for a Hawk-gig. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Procter" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: Re: HW: CHristmas /New Year party > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > > I'd rather be doing both - obviously not at the same time :) > > > Obviously not at the same time? Surely a beach in the Caribbean is the > ideal place for a Hawkwind gig? > > > Kirsten > -- > Kirsten Procter ghoti > NP: Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 1 19:29:48 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:29:48 -0000 Subject: HW: spacebrock differences Message-ID: Nobody's actually heard one yet, not even us, so unless someone here has had a sneak preview of 'the real thing', that's a question that will remain unanswered for now. Will let you know, as they say. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: HW: spacebrock differences > Hey there folks, > > I've finally listening to the copy of spacebrock I picked up at > the Hawkestra. > > I know that AndyG mentioned that this was a not complete version.... > Other than the missing tracks (dreamers and earth breath?), what else > is going to be different about the main release? > > Thanks, > > Arin > (I quite like what I'm hearing, though....) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 1 19:32:30 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:32:30 GMT Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind Message-ID: No Drugs & Hawkwind: how boring! I am a 35 year old Hawkfan, 25 Years On. I use intervenes drugs, smoke marijuana (only kind bud, no schwag),and take mushrooms and LSD on a regular basis. I hold a professional position and have for 13 years, since college. I never miss work and have never contracted any associated illnesses. Hawkwind on drugs is a BLAST!! Party On! D-Rider (Darrin) HA! HA! HA! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 1 19:41:17 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:41:17 +0000 Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: <02ff01c04463$2f9ad060$c69cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <02ff01c04463$2f9ad060$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to > be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree > though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one > here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future > presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) > Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) I'm a medical doctor, not that such things are a reliable guide to smartness. I know a couple of others who are serious HW fans. Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of thing that might interest some Hawkfans. I'm 31 which would seem to make me one of the younger people here. -- Nick Medford From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Wed Nov 1 20:20:26 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:20:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Darrin McKeehan Mmmm so you've been holding a proffesional position for the past 13yrs whilst regulary indulging in some mind altering substances. Thats fine for you....but are you really suggesting that listening to HW is boring without these additives? Oh......and do you think that you can still function proffesionally in your job without such substances (in your leisurtime I presume)????? I'm reminded by something Dave Brock once said.,.......along the lines of..............'Working with fellow musicians(who took drugs) in the band,was fine whilst they were stoned.But as soon as they were denied that stimulus,they became agitated and unreliable'. I assume from his comments that he no longer advocates the use of drugs within the band for the simple reason that individuals become too reliant on them,in order to function within the unit. Mel From flossbac at NLCI.COM Wed Nov 1 20:23:16 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:23:16 -0500 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: This an interesting one as well, as I am currently a pharmacist. In addition, I also have a BA in English and a BS in Secondary Education, with a license to teach English and chemistry to grades 5-12. Needless to say, pharmacy pays approximately four times as much as teaching... a real shame, if you ask me. So if you have any drug questions (American drug names only, please!) then feel free to ask! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Dahl To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM Subject: Re: No drugs >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who spends way to much of his time trying to save people who have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. The problem occurs when you take so much that your body cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an increased frequency than recommended (which provides no greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? Probably not. (what a prude I am) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Nov 1 20:20:50 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:20:50 -0600 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: I always wanted to be a botanist, and grow weed in Humbolt County. Somehow, I ended up in a satellite communications business, and own a company dealing with it. Kind of fitting I guess, since I am involved with spacey things...... :)) ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I > always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still > ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little > trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to > degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, > sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!)Andy Garibaldi (not entirely > seriously you understand) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brad Dahl > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: No drugs > >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - > panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other > than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did > you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see > if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who > spends way to much of his time trying to save people who > have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to > comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol > or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe > analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, > acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. > The problem occurs when you take so much that your body > cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe > metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic > metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 > grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of > the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get > into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an > increased frequency than recommended (which provides no > greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you > have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent > "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with > ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party > on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert > which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach > Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), > my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some > medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach > tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking > fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, > can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just > stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took > about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at > the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of > vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a > great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? > Probably not. (what a prude I am) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pam Nick Medford wrote: > In message <02ff01c04463$2f9ad060$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to > > be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree > > though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one > > here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future > > presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) > > Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) > > I'm a medical doctor, not that such things are a reliable guide to smartness. I > know a couple of others who are serious HW fans. > > Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my > line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of > thing that might interest some Hawkfans. I'm 31 which would seem to make > me one of the younger people here. > > -- > Nick Medford -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace 10/28/00 (4 hours, 5-9pm PST) Part 1: "The Hawkwind Show" (inspired by reports on the Hawkwind list-serve of the "Hawkestra" concert last week) 1.Hawkwind--Master of the Universe (Text of Festival, etc.) 2.Hawkwind--You Know You're Only Dreaming (In Search of Space) 3.Hawkwind--Spirit of the Age (Quark, Strangeness and Charm) 4.Monoshock--Hawkwind Show (7") 5.Hawkwind--Angels of Death (Sonic Attack) 6.Hawkwind--Night of the Hawks (Earth Ritual EP, Mighty Hawkwind Classics) 7.Hawkwind--Silver Machine (7", Stasis, etc.) 8.Hawkwind--Seven by Seven (7", Stasis, etc.) 9.Hawkwind--LSD (The Business Trip) 10.Hawkwind--I am the Reptoid (In Your Area) 11.Hawkwind--High Rise (Hawklords Live) 12.Hawkwind--Down Through the Night (Doremi Fasol Latido) 13.F/i--Standing in the Garden (Box Set) 14.Robert Calvert--The Right Stuff (Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters) 15.Hawkwind--Web Weaver (Hall of the Mountain Grill) 16.Hawkwind--Damnation Alley (Palace Springs) 17.Hawkwind--Watching the Grass Grow (Undisclosed Files-Addendum) 18.ST 37--Look at Yr Chair (7") 19.Nik Turner--Opa Loka 2000 (Past or Future?) 20.Hawkwind--Black Corridor/Space is Deep/Electronic #1 (Space Ritual) SDNC part 2: General 1.Muslim Gauze--Bilechik Mule (Hussein Mahmood Jeeb Tehar Gass) 2.777--Coletrane (System 3: Fire + Water) 3.Orb/Killing Joke--Democracy (Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call of Dury: The Orb Remix Project) 4.Mogwai/My Bloody Valentine--MBV Remix (Fear Satan Remixes--dedicated to Jeremy) 5.Kraftwerk--Radioland/Airwaves (Radio-activity) 6.Neu!--After Eight (Neu! '75) 7.Nik Turner--Strontium 90 (Prophets of Time) 8.Yeti--Two Fingers (Things to Come...) 9.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Wake Up/Another Visit (Out There) 10.Mushroom--Elliott Smith Reprise (Hydrogen Jukebox) 11.Pressurehed--Valiant Thor/I Predict (Explaining the Unexplained) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 03:07:25 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:07:25 EST Subject: HW: Spirit of our Ages Message-ID: In a message dated 11/1/00 7:52:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > > > Me 22 :). > > > > > > Alissa > > > > Sounds like you and Dennis have it. I'm 25, but was weaned on BOC-L from > the > > tender age of 18. Wow, has it been that long? I had never heard of > Hawkwind > > when I joined, now I have more HW albums than just about any other band in > > my collection (BOC excluded). > > And I began to listen Hawkwind and gather their albums in 1995 (April 1st - > when I bought 1st album :)), when I was 16. F Now I have about 70 cds of > Hawkwind and related. > > Alissa > Wow...maybe there are enough of us youngsters to start a Young People's HW Group--kinda like AA has... :) We feel very alone. But especially those of us residing in the U.S., perhaps. I'm 27, and like Brian, joined BOC-L at 21 for BOC, then was soon swept off by the HW waves... Occupation: Zero at the moment. B.A. English Lit. Considering pharmaceuticals... (hey, John) :) Chuck NP: Watching the Grass Grow From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:22:37 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:52:37 +1030 Subject: HW: CHristmas /New Year party Message-ID: > > > > I'd rather be doing both - obviously not at the same time :) > > > Obviously not at the same time? Surely a beach in the Caribbean is the > ideal place for a Hawkwind gig? What a marvelous idea .... 8>) If I had that kind of money I'd fund and organise the whole thing.... hee hee No really!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirsten Procter To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:17 AM Subject: Re: HW: CHristmas /New Year party > On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > > I'd rather be doing both - obviously not at the same time :) > > > Obviously not at the same time? Surely a beach in the Caribbean is the > ideal place for a Hawkwind gig? > > > Kirsten > -- > Kirsten Procter ghoti > NP: Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:25:16 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:55:16 +1030 Subject: HW: spacebrock differences Message-ID: and when cau uss ozies get a copy? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:09 AM Subject: HW: spacebrock differences > Hey there folks, > > I've finally listening to the copy of spacebrock I picked up at > the Hawkestra. > > I know that AndyG mentioned that this was a not complete version.... > Other than the missing tracks (dreamers and earth breath?), what else > is going to be different about the main release? > > Thanks, > > Arin > (I quite like what I'm hearing, though....) > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:29:20 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:59:20 +1030 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Mine was LEVITATION I listened and listened and ....... Everyone in my family, at the time, knew the lyrics to levitation & motorway city etc.... off by heart :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Alissa To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > Icyi, my first introduction to HW was playing Live Chronicles (2CD), > > Me too! :) > > Alissa From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:37:24 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:07:24 +1030 Subject: Warning this email may be offensive to some vegetarians :) Message-ID: I made an attempt at vegetarianism and then went to Texas to meet my wifes family.... My brother in law took us to a GTO club BBQ and that was it. The most delicious succulent tender juicyiest .........etc etc etc............... mesquite smoked steaks I have ever tried...... (drool) However I did remember to respectfully feel thankfull for the Kritters that had to be sacrificed on my behalf. Michael the Humble Carnivore 8>) ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > Hey - the one thing I realised for the first time in a long while at > Brixton - there sure ain't no stereotypes for this band no more - but > semi-vegetarian? Not sure if I can cope with that? Tried vegetarianism > once - lasted about ten weeks then caved in at the supermarket!!! > Andy G'b. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "flossbac" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > > > This is an interesting topic you have brought up. I think it's evident to > > anyone familiar with Hawkwind that they are considered by many to be a > "drug > > band" whatever that means....but certainly most fans I've run into have > been > > potheads at the least, and most were interested in consuming other > > substances as well. For myself, I've never used any drug, nor have I ever > > been drunk, nor do I smoke. I just never saw the point as far as I was > > concerned... I like Hawkwind just fine without chemically altering myself. > > I'm also semi-vegetarian (I mean to say that I have a reduced meat diet... > I > > rarely if ever eat it), and I'm gay. So I don't imagine I fit most of the > > stereotypes of the typical Hawkwind fan. > > John Majka > > flossbac at nlci.com > > > > > > > I watched the last couple of songs @ Hawkestra,Brixton from the circle. > > > At the end,as everyone started leaving their seats,a guy stumbled into > me > > > from behind looking in a bad way..... > > > "Are you OK mate?",I asked > > > " Ugh...errrrr.....Have you got any dope?" he asked. To which I > > replied........ > > > "No mate.....I'm not into that". > > > "Then what the f**k are you doing here!",he replied > > > "I've never needed it", I said > > > "Ahhhh...f**king bollocks!",was the response. > > > > > > Now.......some questions for all you Hawksters out there. > > > I've been following HW since 1972.......and......(this is the > truth)....I > > > have never taken drugs ( ie Dope,LSD,etc). > > > In fact the most lethal concoction I used to consume prior to a HW gig > in > > > my late teens was a few pints of Whitbread Trophy........( Now beat that > > > for pure shit!!!!!) > > > Am I mad? Is it really possible to enjoy HW without the aid of mind > > > altering drugs? > > > Are there any other fans out there that 'get off' on HW without getting > > > 'stoned'? > > > Or........am I the odd one out? All my mates at college use to say to me > > > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'. > > > I didn't agree then and at 43 yrs old now I still don't agree. > > > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > > Or am I alone? > > > > > > Mel > > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:46:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:16:04 +1030 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: My great claim to fame is a DIPLOMA in Audio Engineering - My passion ( well anything creative is my passion) Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: Re: No drugs Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Dahl To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM Subject: Re: No drugs >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who spends way to much of his time trying to save people who have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. The problem occurs when you take so much that your body cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an increased frequency than recommended (which provides no greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? Probably not. (what a prude I am) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:50:00 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:20:00 +1030 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: > thing that might interest some Hawkfans. I'm 31 which would seem to make > me one of the younger people here. Ya spring chicken - wait till ya hit 32 like me...... :) Did you say you fix knees sonny? ey speak up ..... :) Peace Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: Re: No drugs > In message <02ff01c04463$2f9ad060$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > GARIBALDI writes > > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to > > be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree > > though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one > > here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future > > presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) > > Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) > > I'm a medical doctor, not that such things are a reliable guide to smartness. I > know a couple of others who are serious HW fans. > > Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my > line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of > thing that might interest some Hawkfans. I'm 31 which would seem to make > me one of the younger people here. > > -- > Nick Medford > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 03:55:02 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:25:02 +1030 Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind??? Message-ID: > you....but are you really suggesting that listening to HW is boring without > these additives? where did that assumption come from? :>| to be stoned? or not to be stoned? ........ what was the question myaaaaaan? Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Melvyn Vincent To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind??? > Hi Darrin McKeehan > > Mmmm so you've been holding a proffesional position for the past 13yrs > whilst regulary indulging in some mind altering substances. Thats fine for > you....but are you really suggesting that listening to HW is boring without > these additives? > Oh......and do you think that you can still function proffesionally in your > job without such substances (in your leisurtime I presume)????? > > I'm reminded by something Dave Brock once said.,.......along the lines > of..............'Working with fellow musicians(who took drugs) in the > band,was fine whilst they were stoned.But as soon as they were denied that > stimulus,they became agitated and unreliable'. > I assume from his comments that he no longer advocates the use of drugs > within the band for the simple reason that individuals become too reliant > on them,in order to function within the unit. > > Mel > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 04:03:10 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:33:10 +1030 Subject: claims to fames Message-ID: I would one day like to be a HEMP farmer - as soon as the rest of the world realise that Hemp is not marijuana and the cotton pickin greedy facists stop stompin all over this incredible fibre. The things that can be done with hemp are amazing - If anyone is interested I could babble on in a private mail - the list is incredible. Theres some excellent articles regading the Navaho Indians and there attempt tofarm hemp and how the DEA came in armed to the teeth and chopped down their crop in the latest High Times mag. I could scan and email to anyone interested? Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 04:04:57 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:34:57 +1030 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: I used to Drive a cab in ALICE SPRINGS back in 1990 Hey buddy!! Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: No drugs > I own & operate a Taxicab company:) At 38, I never ever expected to be doing this!!! Don't > know how smart this one is, but it sure can be alot! I gotta know where it all is! > Pam > > Nick Medford wrote: > > > In message <02ff01c04463$2f9ad060$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW > > GARIBALDI writes > > > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to > > > be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree > > > though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one > > > here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future > > > presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!) > > > Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) > > > > I'm a medical doctor, not that such things are a reliable guide to smartness. I > > know a couple of others who are serious HW fans. > > > > Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my > > line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of > > thing that might interest some Hawkfans. I'm 31 which would seem to make > > me one of the younger people here. > > > > -- > > Nick Medford > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 04:07:00 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:37:00 +1030 Subject: Spirit On The Stage - Brixton Message-ID: I wake up some mornings with a big smile on my face - I was there at Brixton I"ll always have those memories So cool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 2 04:19:53 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:19:53 +0300 Subject: HW: kings of speed, lords of light Message-ID: Hello everyone! I have few questions about this bootleg: when was it recorded? What was the line-up? And am I right hearing that Alan Davey did most of the singing? best regards, Alissa From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 2 04:25:18 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:25:18 +0300 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: > Mine was LEVITATION > > I listened and listened and ....... > > Everyone in my family, at the time, knew the lyrics to levitation & motorway > city etc.... > off by heart :) And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books I would never knew about Hawkwind. I was reading his biography where it was written that he played in pop :) bands Deep Fix and Hawkwind and that is why I bought Hawkwind Live Chronicles. And then more and more albums :). Alissa From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Nov 2 04:29:23 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:29:23 +0100 Subject: AW: kings of speed, lords of light Message-ID: Hi Alissa >Hello everyone! >I have few questions about this bootleg: when was it recorded? What was the >line-up? And am I right hearing that Alan Davey did most of the singing? This bootleg was recorded on 08. October 1991 in Germany in a town called Bochum. I was there, only 15 miles from my hometown You can hear me whisteling sometimes. I stood very close to the guy who taped this gig (Hello R). Do not know who made the boot from the tape. Yes, Alan did most of the singing Hope that helps Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 05:10:38 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:10:38 +0000 Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Medford writes >I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of >thing that might interest some Hawkfans. Brainscan, 'ere I go? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 05:09:17 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:09:17 +0000 Subject: HW: How old is you. In-Reply-To: <02f501c04463$19f65900$c69cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In article <02f501c04463$19f65900$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Of course I'll be those of you older types >with families have tried to get their offspring into Hawkwind and no doubt >without success, as kids generally hate what their parents like. You'll be gratified to hear that my 9 year old son listens to Warrior on The Edge of Time, in a 3 disc changer with Lou Reed's Transformer, and David Bowie's Space Oddity, on permanent rotation. His favourite music is "stuff about space". He's just beginning to notice that there isn't a lot of this on the radio. -- Jon From IainFerguson at CS.COM Thu Nov 2 05:22:25 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:22:25 EST Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Heard there was this really cool band called Hawkwind playing in bristol in Novemebr 79, had heard nothing by them, we had gottenn bored of 999, stanglers,pistols etc and wanted something different. Bought the ticket and been flying ever since !!!!! Hawkestra was my 27th time of seeing the band ( not that I'm counting ). Love & peace Iain From IainFerguson at CS.COM Thu Nov 2 05:37:09 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:37:09 EST Subject: HW: How old is you. Message-ID: Jon, Your a lucky man. Still keep trying hawkwind with my my 2 year old and my wife but they just don't get it yet. ( they like the dance remixe EP's though) Mind I have plenty of time to introduce the Wind to them properly. We're still having a cool time though we have Culture, Bob Marley and the solstice remixes ( hawkwind) in full rotation ( coutesy of my son), even my wife loves the dance remixes that hawkwind have done. best thing I heard in a long time was my wife even asked me to do a tape of nice Hawkwind and nice Gong , i think the walls are crumbling. The term nice means ambient and definately no shouting iain From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Thu Nov 2 07:51:29 2000 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:51:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: Drink n Drugs Message-ID: I note that Tesco are now selling Absinthe !! I've wanted to try this for ages, and there's a bar in Derby that sells the stuff too. BTW I do know about it's effects... Drugs - Tried Hawks straight and not-straight, it's a question of personal choice in my opinion - but I'd disagree with anyone who says you NEED to be out of your face to enjoy the music. Cheers Mark (Hasbeen) From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 08:30:13 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:30:13 -0500 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: '83 or '84, was listening to 60s/70s stuff like Hendrix, Doors, Floyd, Led Zep... had the vague idea that HW were in a similar area. Heard Silver Machine on some cheesy 'rock hits' type compilation, bought the UA single, blown away by Seven By Seven on the B-side. A couple of weeks later I saw Choose Your Masques in a bargain bin (for shame), snaffled it up and played it over and over and over again for months. I knew it absolutely off-by- heart and thought it was the most extraordinary music I'd heard up to that point in my life. Which is strange 'cos now I wouldn't rate it as one of the better HW albums... Fahrenheit 451 still does it for me though. Next album was Do Not Panic which I bought the week it came out in '84, soon after got PXR5 where I discovered the mighty Bob Calvert who swiftly became my all-time favourite musicnaut. Saw him live only once, wish I'd seen him with the Hawks but there you go. First HW show: Black Sword, Hammersmith '85. I remember the excitement my 16 year-old self and my mates had about going to this gig. Difficult (and perhaps not desirable) to retain that sense of awe and excitement as you get older but ever since I knew the Hawkestra was definitely happening I felt like I was 16 again! And it actually lived up to my wholly unreasonable expectations! From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 08:54:41 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:54:41 EST Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/00 3:26:37 AM Central Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: > And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books > Me, too. I bought the 'Hawkmoon' volume of White Wolf's Eternal Champion Series, and in the front there was a listing of most of MM's work. They listed his music, and I thought, "What can I find?". The first HW CD I got was 'Warrior on the Edge of Time'(got lucky with that; it was the only one the store could get), and have been hooked ever since. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 08:05:46 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:05:46 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <200011021330.IAA02798@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 8:30, Nick Medford wrote: > First HW show: Black Sword, Hammersmith '85. I remember the excitement > my 16 year-old self and my mates had about going to this gig. > Difficult (and perhaps not desirable) to retain that sense of awe and > excitement as you get older but ever since I knew the Hawkestra was > definitely happening I felt like I was 16 again! And it actually lived > up to my wholly unreasonable expectations! Good point about sustaining the excitement felt as a youthful convert. I gotta say I'm pretty psyched to see BOC tomorrow night some 28 years after my first gig--damn, 28 years is older than a lot of folks on this list! And, it's probably a bit harder to stay focused on BOC as they haven't had a steady steam of new releases like HW has. Still, BOC live is an event similar to HW, although, I gather, BOC plays a lot more shows than HW in a given year. Anyone have an idea what we'll hear Fri. night? Haven't seen any set lists from recent BOC gigs. I'm still bitterly disappointed from the Vernon gig where BOC got short-sheeted into playing an abbreviated set, with no 'new' stuff--not even any HF tunes. Hopefully, tomorrow's gig will set that straight. BTW, for Nick and anyone else traveling a long distance for the show: I contacted the venue, and the dude said that doors open at 8, and first band goes on at 930p. According to the web site, there are 2 opening bands, which should put BOC on stage around 11-1130p, I guess. What time are you all planning on showing up? I figure to hit the place around 830 or so. Maybe later. as I'm not in any hurry to hear Bad Karma, the opening act, which sounds like a bad cover band. Any of you Albany-area guys heard them? Some other dude is playing--forget his name. Mike, Jason, have you heard? theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 2 09:20:05 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:20:05 -0000 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: > although, I gather, BOC plays a > lot more shows than HW in a given year. > Sadly not in the UK. About one every 2 years at the mo.Oh for the days when they did tours over here. :-( Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Introducing... The Bristols _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bart at ENGAGE.NU Thu Nov 2 09:24:38 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:38 +0100 Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: <3A00F961.9DA645FB@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: On 1 Nov 2000, at 22:19, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > I own & operate a Taxicab company:) At 38, I never ever expected to be doing this!!! Don't > know how smart this one is, but it sure can be alot! I gotta know where it all is! i own my own company too. nothing to do with cabs though. i own an political medialab, do tech-stuff, help setting up an IMC in the netherlands, stream cultural en political events, organise partys :), make small movies, and so on...still have to find a way to make money ;-) --BArt btw I am 29...and still dreaming NP Seven seconds I'm gonna stay young until i die From bart at ENGAGE.NU Thu Nov 2 09:24:38 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:38 +0100 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <003d01c044a7$00401200$d0d0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 2000, at 18:59, Michael Blackman wrote: > Mine was LEVITATION mine was some copilation tape made by a friend of mine, filled with interesting music. apart from HW there were the legendary pink dots, c cat trance, test dept. and soma other bands on it. for a while mixed up HW an LPD <;-0 then bought the live79 / levitation double cd, and i was hooked lost the tape unfortunately... --BArt From bart at ENGAGE.NU Thu Nov 2 09:24:38 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:38 +0100 Subject: claims to fames In-Reply-To: <00bc01c044ab$ba1664a0$d0d0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 2000, at 19:33, Michael Blackman wrote: > I would one day like to be a HEMP farmer come live in the Neteherlands, we do have decent amount of HEMP farmers. Although they grow HEMP and not Marijuana, they are sponsored by some big Marijuana dealers like the "world famous" Bulldog :-) > > The things that can be done with hemp are amazing I know, they even build a car from HEMP in the beginning of 1900... --BArt no dope today...should be working...well...what the hack ;) NP Biohazard state of the world address From coral at APORT.RU Thu Nov 2 09:30:47 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:30:47 +0300 Subject: AW: kings of speed, lords of light Message-ID: > This bootleg was recorded on 08. October 1991 in Germany in a town > called > Bochum. I was there, only 15 miles from my hometown > > You can hear me whisteling sometimes. I stood very close to the guy > who > taped this gig (Hello R). Do not know who made the boot from the > tape. > > Yes, Alan did most of the singing > > Hope that helps > Bernhard Thank you for answering. Alissa From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 2 09:45:11 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:45:11 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: The last concert I saw (Toad's Place - New Haven CT) had the following songs (not in order, mind you) Stairway to the Stars Teen Archer ETI Pocket Buck's Boogie Golden Age of Leather Last Days of May Joan Crawford Old Gods Burning for You Havest Moon Lips in the Hills Godzilla Reaper --- D & S > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:06 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: BOC Friday > > On 2 Nov 00, at 8:30, Nick Medford wrote: > > > > First HW show: Black Sword, Hammersmith '85. I remember the excitement > > my 16 year-old self and my mates had about going to this gig. > > Difficult (and perhaps not desirable) to retain that sense of awe and > > excitement as you get older but ever since I knew the Hawkestra was > > definitely happening I felt like I was 16 again! And it actually lived > > up to my wholly unreasonable expectations! > > Good point about sustaining the excitement felt as a youthful convert. > I gotta say I'm pretty psyched to see BOC tomorrow night some 28 > years after my first gig--damn, 28 years is older than a lot of folks on > this list! And, it's probably a bit harder to stay focused on BOC as > they haven't had a steady steam of new releases like HW has. Still, > BOC live is an event similar to HW, although, I gather, BOC plays a > lot more shows than HW in a given year. > > Anyone have an idea what we'll hear Fri. night? Haven't seen any set > lists from recent BOC gigs. I'm still bitterly disappointed from the > Vernon gig where BOC got short-sheeted into playing an abbreviated > set, with no 'new' stuff--not even any HF tunes. Hopefully, tomorrow's > gig will set that straight. > > BTW, for Nick and anyone else traveling a long distance for the > show: I contacted the venue, and the dude said that doors open at 8, > and first band goes on at 930p. According to the web site, there are > 2 opening bands, which should put BOC on stage around 11-1130p, > I guess. > > What time are you all planning on showing up? I figure to hit the > place around 830 or so. Maybe later. as I'm not in any hurry to hear > Bad Karma, the opening act, which sounds like a bad cover band. > Any of you Albany-area guys heard them? Some other dude is > playing--forget his name. Mike, Jason, have you heard? > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 08:57:38 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:57:38 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 9:45, Hall, Russell J wrote: > The last concert I saw (Toad's Place - New Haven CT) had the following > songs > > (not in order, mind you) > > Stairway to the Stars > Teen Archer Whoa! I've been hoping for this. Seen BOC countless times since the old days, and never seen this live. You bet I'll be hollering for this one... > ETI > Pocket Gotta hear this! > Buck's Boogie > Golden Age of Leather > Last Days of May > Joan Crawford > Old Gods Sounds like a classic. So, are you coming to the gig? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 09:58:01 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:58:01 EST Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: i first heard "master of the universe" on LA FM radio in the summer of '72....seems like i heard it several days in a row. upon reflexion, it must've been the hypnotic repetitition and that phasing which sucked me in. i was soon to turn 15. i bought the ISOS lp as soon as i could, and liked that lp plenty, but really, for me, that was the summer of the "ziggy stardust" lp. proper hawk-fanaticism would have to wait awhile... ....until early the next year, when i bought the 'doremi' lp. amazing drumming! amazing in general! >>>LEMMY!<<< == i had yet to become the cannabis enthusiast i would become [to this very day] and i must divide my fandom twixt 'pre-pot' and 'post-pot'...and hearing HW _stoned_, well,...here i am over a quarter-century later still discussing them. dont try this at home, kids. i have written of my growing disenchantment with post-lemmy HW too many times here...but the era w/lemmy in the band, and the non-conformist if not, um, 'revolutionary' attitude they seemed to project, had a great deal in my leaving home the day after i turned 18 to play rock music on my own...and much later, in the tres unreal das ludicroix, to enjoy drumming in 'simon king mode'. and once i figured it out, it wasnt so much what he did but the authority with which he did it. the hawkestra show must've been awesome; hoping to acquire tapes of it before long. salud! shalom! "<>" From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 2 10:03:12 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:03:12 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: boo-ya! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:58 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC Friday > > On 2 Nov 00, at 9:45, Hall, Russell J wrote: > > > The last concert I saw (Toad's Place - New Haven CT) had the following > > songs > > > > (not in order, mind you) > > > > Stairway to the Stars > > Teen Archer > > Whoa! I've been hoping for this. Seen BOC countless times since > the old days, and never seen this live. You bet I'll be hollering for > this > one... > > > ETI > > Pocket > > Gotta hear this! > > > Buck's Boogie > > Golden Age of Leather > > Last Days of May > > Joan Crawford > > Old Gods > > Sounds like a classic. > > So, are you coming to the gig? > > theo From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 10:39:51 2000 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:39:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: Pic or Eric circa early 80's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Michael Habiby wrote: > My dear college chum took this picture in California in the early 80's. I > just found it in my files. > http://www.geocities.com/mhabiby1/BOC.html Nice pics of the Hudson River in autumn, too, Mike! Sorry, fall! - Mike Godwin From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 10:43:18 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:43:18 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:52:34 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Keith Kniveton is the 95% behind the Starfield album which if you haven't > yet got it, you really should as a Hawkwind fan Gotta agree with Andy on this one. FoFP P.S: Now finally back from Hawkwind, Motorhead, and Amsterdam, and just a widdle bit tired :-O From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 10:44:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:44:28 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkestra In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > Ah, > > I just got a copy of a Starfield cd, it sounds like electric teepee part II. That's Electric Tepee Part II with extra blanga and swoosh! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 10:46:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:46:35 GMT Subject: HW: Synth sounds at the gig In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:12:29 +0200 Message-ID: Scott Heller writes: > Hej, > > There seems to be a lot of discussion of the synth sounds at the > gig. I think everyone agrees that Tim did a great job and was by far the > major contributor of synth work. Next would be Steve Swindells, but he was > mixed lower but was on stage for a lot of the concert before Lemmy came out. > Harvey was in and out and did some great spacey stuff for his intro to > Freefall and then he did come out and add some more sounds later. As for Del > and Dik Mik, they were difficult to hear. Dik was pretty clear during Born To Go, leastways from the balcony... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 10:51:50 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:51:50 GMT Subject: HW: Dave Brock poem In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:55:47 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernhard Pospiech > To: > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:20 PM > Subject: HW: Dave Brock poem > > > > Hello folks > > > > I still do not know what DAVE BROCK performed on 21.10.2000 > > between ANGELS OF DEATH and SPIRIT OF THE AGE > > It does not sound like FIRST LANDING ON MEDUSA > > Hi Bernhard! > > Wasn't it the second verse of that poem - the bit that starts "Full > waking took us days to realize,/Adjusting to the newness of our > eyes/We stayed inside, performing simple tasks......." > > That's what I seem to remember. But then I'm not entirely > convinced I can rely on my memory with overmuch confidence! That's what I heard too, and my memory is at least as reliable as after the cider flagon at Glastonbury '81 ;-) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:09:32 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:09:32 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Melvyn Vincent's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:20:40 +0000 Message-ID: Melvyn Vincent writes: > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > Or am I alone? Well there could be some in the Labour Cabinet, but Tony Blair ordered them not to comment. > Mel Funny story: a few years back I got into something of an impasse with a couple of bosses of mine. The end result was banishment to the 'puter lab equivalent of Siberia. I did my usual response to this which I call "Whistling in Hell" (1) - acting as if I'm really having fun and just getting on with things. In the end I was poached to another job as a result of work in Siberia. I began to see glimmerings of weirdness in their selection for my replacement when an ex-boyfriend of my ex-girlfriend was selected. He left and then they selected *another* ex-boyfriend of the same ex-girlfriend. Anyway, as it happens he's a drinking buddy of mine. He told me one night that at the interview they actually asked him "Are you, or have you ever been, a Hawkwind fan?" A guy could almost take that personally... FoFP (1) Thank you Mr.Boffo, and your ace dog Weiderman. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:10:33 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:10:33 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:59:38 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > I agree - you do not need to be stoned or tripping to enjoy hawkwind at all > > Hawkwind is completly enjoyable in any state of mind. > > However I did have a brownie a few hours before the show 8>) > > Very rarely do I indulge these days..... Me neither, though I'd like 11 pints of real ale taken into account M'Lud. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:16:41 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:16:41 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:12:30 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > Or am I alone? > > > > I've never taken drugs either. Nor do I drink alcohol or smoke. I also know > at least 2 other fans who are the same as me. I'm also 43. I just sent a birthday card to someone. It has Owl on a tree branch lecturing Pooh, Piglet and Eeyore: "I don't smoke, I don't drink, and I don't have casual sex" with the legend "The other animals began to suspect that Owl hadn't really been to University at all..." That's funny haha. Funny peculiar is folks who figure they have the right to tell anyone else what to put into, or not to put into their own bodies. Each to their own and to hell with control freakery. More power to the original poster who said his piece to the fuckwit who thinks drugs should be compulsory at hawkgigs. > William FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:19:54 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:19:54 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Alissa's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:24:49 +0300 Message-ID: Alissa writes: > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > > Or am I alone? > > Never tried any drugs. Oh c'mon? Not even chocolate? > Alissa FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:21:31 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:21:31 GMT Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:57:49 +1030 Message-ID: > watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for = > one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect = > and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom = > of liver damage?) In my experience they're a symptom of drinking out of the wrong shape of glass the night before. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:26:13 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:26:13 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr.'s message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:22:57 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > Never tried any drugs. > > > Yeah, I get high on Jesus! So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:30:18 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:30:18 GMT Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! In-Reply-To: Melvyn Vincent's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:11:25 +0000 Message-ID: Melvyn Vincent writes: > Thanks for all your replies on this subject. > I have always agreed with HW's intention which was clearly stated on the > back cover of the very firsy HW Album by ...."levitating their minds in a > nice way,without acid,with ultimately a complete audio visual thing". > At the end of the day it is possible to train our minds to think/imagine a > certain way without neccesarily useing a chemical stimulus. > I am reminded of what a number of the animation artists that worked on the > Disney epic 'Fantasia' said on a TV documentary a while ago. Many outsiders > considered that they must have used LSD at some point in the creative/ideas > process in order to conceive some of the complex evolving imagery used in > Fantasia. However...they maintained that this was simply not the case and > that they'd simply trained their minds to think/imagine a certain way in > developing the visual ideas. What's intriguing is that there do seem to be certain hallucinatory images which are consistent across cultures and are even independent of the means used to induce the state (priests used to whip themselves and then wear hairshirts in order to make the wounds go septic; Jesus starved himself; others avoided sleep - it just makes you so proud science has made it as easy as taking a pill :-) Leary was probably onto something when he said that it indicated something about basic neuronal wiring, but boy did he ever run with that ball. > Mel FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:32:56 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:32:56 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:57:15 EST Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > In a message dated 10/31/2000 7:23:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > << Yeah, I get high on Jesus! >> > Me too! Especially when he does the water into wine trick;) That was neat. Quite why the Church did a sequel with wine into blood is beyond me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:36:30 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:36:30 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: flossbac's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: flossbac writes: > I'm also semi-vegetarian (I mean to say that I have a reduced meat diet... I > rarely if ever eat it), and I'm gay. But boy can you produce an almost irresistible straight line. Still, in the interests of decorum, I'll refuse to, errr, bite. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 10:37:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:37:35 EDT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <200011021616.QAA24097@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 16:16, M Holmes wrote: > That's funny haha. Funny peculiar is folks who figure they have the > right to tell anyone else what to put into, or not to put into their > own bodies. Each to their own and to hell with control freakery. More > power to the original poster who said his piece to the fuckwit who > thinks drugs should be compulsory at hawkgigs. > Right! And I want to take a shot at whoever suggested that he, drug- free, was somehow respecting his body more than I am. I lift weights every day, and in past, was bigger than a classmate of mine who was a starting linebacker here at SU who went on to play in the NFL. I walk about 20 miles a week in addition to the 5-10 miles I walk on the golf course each week. So I don't need any advise on respecting my body from somebody whose idea of exercise is installing a new hard drive, and drinking a cup of green tea... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:38:00 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:38:00 GMT Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:51:23 -0000 Message-ID: > I got a bit sick of the dumb ravers from the foyer sound system at = > Brixton trying to buy ecstasy of me. Just take some ex-lax along a xmas and sell it to 'em. If they're going to listen to shit, they might as well get into it... FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 10:39:32 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:39:32 EDT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: <200011021626.QAA00245@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 16:26, M Holmes wrote: > Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > Never tried any drugs. > > > > > Yeah, I get high on Jesus! > > So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? > Well, the first step is: put your money into the collection plate... theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 2 11:40:50 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:40:50 -0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: > > watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for = > > one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect = > > and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom = > > of liver damage?) > > In my experience they're a symptom of drinking out of the wrong shape of > glass the night before. Absolutely. Like the raging thirst in the morning is a symptom of not having drunk enough the previous evening. (How were you feeling at about 6am on the Sunday anyway Mike?) :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:43:29 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:43:29 GMT Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:39:35 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > >You Should try Benylin Cough Medicine. > > >Its Fab. One teaspoonful knocks you out for acouple of days. I used to know an army guy who'd drink 2 bottles about as soon as he got home on leave. It seemed to make him quite aggressive before it finally knocked him out. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:49:58 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:49:58 GMT Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:41:17 +0000 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my > line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of > thing that might interest some Hawkfans. So, like could you find the implant them pesky aliens put in? > Nick Medford FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 11:22:44 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:22:44 +0000 Subject: HW: How old is you. In-Reply-To: <20.d726b1e.27329dd5@cs.com> Message-ID: In article <20.d726b1e.27329dd5 at cs.com>, writes >Still keep trying hawkwind with my my 2 year old and my >wife but they just don't get it yet. Keep at it, my missus came to Brixton and danced her head off! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 11:25:24 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:25:24 +0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Joe Loehr writes >> And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't >> reading his books >> I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > Me, too. >been hooked ever since. > > Joe Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 12:16:37 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:16:37 GMT Subject: Rob the b**tard! In-Reply-To: bedroom trancer's message of Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:41:34 -0000 Message-ID: bedroom trancer writes: > you've not heard the glastonbury '90 hawkwind live cd on voiceprint i = > take it? > > it sounds like a really poor bootleg that was recorded in the crowd you = > can even here people talking about there dog eating some hash or = > something?=20 I recently spoke to the guy who made the recording. It seems that certain elements in the travellers field decided to bugger up his tape. At one point they organised a circle of dogs to run around him. Someone also drove a van through the crowd at the gig, apparently also to disrupt things. Can't comment myself. Turns out I was asleep about half a mile away. The grapevine failed me that time :-( FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 12:29:25 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:29:25 GMT Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:40:50 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > > > watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for = > > > one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect = > > > and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom = > > > of liver damage?) > > > > In my experience they're a symptom of drinking out of the wrong shape of > > glass the night before. > > Absolutely. Like the raging thirst in the morning is a symptom of not > having drunk enough the previous evening. > > (How were you feeling at about 6am on the Sunday anyway Mike?) Glad we'd found a taxi. No headache on Sunday. My Cunning Plan was to avoid drinking the crap beer on sale at the gig as I'd already filled up with the good beer beforehand. It's true that beer with lots of chemicals in it is a lot worse for you, and you can take it from me that I've done copius research to prove it. > Rich. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 12:40:20 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:40:20 GMT Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind??? In-Reply-To: Melvyn Vincent's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:20:26 +0000 Message-ID: Melvyn Vincent writes: > Hi Darrin McKeehan > > Mmmm so you've been holding a proffesional position for the past 13yrs > whilst regulary indulging in some mind altering substances. Thats fine for > you....but are you really suggesting that listening to HW is boring without > these additives? Or perhaps that work is. > Oh......and do you think that you can still function proffesionally in your > job without such substances I'm sure the airline checks that he's had his proper dosages before he gets into the cockpit. > I'm reminded by something Dave Brock once said.,.......along the lines > of..............'Working with fellow musicians(who took drugs) in the > band,was fine whilst they were stoned.But as soon as they were denied that > stimulus,they became agitated and unreliable'. Yeah, rock musicians were always well known for their reliability. > I assume from his comments that he no longer advocates the use of drugs > within the band for the simple reason that individuals become too reliant > on them,in order to function within the unit. "In the interests of musical coherence, could you please piss into this bottle Mr. Kilminster?" > Mel FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Nov 2 13:13:42 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:13:42 -0500 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: FoFP asks: >> > Never tried any drugs. >> > >> Yeah, I get high on Jesus! > >So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? Nah, I think he stopped at ten. :) Grakkl (FAA) From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 2 13:54:37 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:54:37 -0800 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: Hello Folks! Friday night will feature 2 bands. BOC will play after "Bad Karma" a band with a guy called Dave Smith who has somewhat of a following. Directions: can be found at www.northernlights-live.com Doors will open at 8:00 pm. We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind a mobile station across from Price Chopper. There are 2 hotels nearby : Best Western and a Comfort Inn. These are right at Exit 9 off the Northway, which you all will probably be using. See you all there! Joe Sardo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 13:03:11 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:03:11 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <20001102185437.16357.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind a > mobile station across from Price Chopper. > Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty convenient to have another bar close by where you can get a drink without costing an arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar waiting for BOC. How will we recognize you? theo From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Nov 2 14:13:30 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:13:30 -0500 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Same story with me. I was reading Michael Moorcock, then read a biographical bit about him which mentioned a band called Hawkwind. I went out and bought Chronicle of the Black Sword (which was the newest one at the time) because I saw that it had a Moorcock contribution on it. I can't say I was impressed right off the bat.... In fact, the heavy metalisms of the opening track "Song of the Swords" was a downright turnoff! I hated that song! But yet there was something endearing about the record, underneath the heavy metal stuff... and so I bought another....and then another...it didn't take very long at all before I was hooked! John Majka And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books I would never knew about Hawkwind. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at NETPHD.NET Thu Nov 2 14:16:45 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:16:45 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > (not in order, mind you) > > Stairway to the Stars This has GOT to be the opener. It's my personal fave. Way to scorch into a set!!! By comparison, I think Burnin' For You is bland. > > BTW, for Nick and anyone else traveling a long distance for the > > show: I contacted the venue, and the dude said that doors open at 8, > > and first band goes on at 930p. According to the web site, there are > > 2 opening bands, which should put BOC on stage around 11-1130p, > > I guess. Hmm. May have to show up a little later. Opening bands plus the unnecessarily long wait until BOC is ready to take the stage usually kind of dampens my enthusiasm. --Nick From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Nov 2 14:20:48 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:20:48 -0500 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > flossbac writes: > > > I'm also semi-vegetarian (I mean to say that I have a reduced meat diet... I > > rarely if ever eat it), and I'm gay. > > But boy can you produce an almost irresistible straight line. > > Still, in the interests of decorum, I'll refuse to, errr, bite. > > FoFP Hee hee.... well uhhh.....you know what I meant....*blush*..... John Majka From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Nov 2 14:21:10 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:21:10 +0100 Subject: Off: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > yep - tell us what you think - I'd love to know. > Andy Garibaldi To be honest: it?s not as good as I expected. 13 tracks, an hour long, and there is (almost) no outstanding track. In fact all sound the same to me. No Spacelord tune here. Ok, best track is "Cry", a 7 min song sounding somewhat psychedelic. The title track could be the next single - sounding very clean and slow. "Take it" sounds like an outtake from Calvert?s Freq - same synth drums. What else can I say? I?m deeply disappointed! Nevertheless I?m going to see them live in Tilburg next month. Andreas From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 14:25:57 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:25:57 +0000 Subject: No drugs In-Reply-To: <200011021649.QAA14653@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <200011021649.QAA14653 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Nick Medford writes: > >> Please none of you oldsters email me about your dodgy knees, it's not my >> line :) I specialise in brain scanning research, which I guess is the sort of >> thing that might interest some Hawkfans. > >So, like could you find the implant them pesky aliens put in? > Depends where they implanted it!! -- Nick Medford From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 2 13:31:18 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:31:18 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <200011021916.OAA15732@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 14:16, Nick English wrote: > Hmm. May have to show up a little later. Opening > bands plus the unnecessarily long wait until BOC is > ready to take the stage usually kind of dampens my > enthusiasm. I totally agree. I'll see ya over at the bar across the plaza before the gig... theo From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Nov 2 14:31:30 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:31:30 -0500 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: How does it compare sound wise to other MM albums? Can you compare it to other discs? Very curious. Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Stuewe [SMTP:Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:21 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Off: New Monster Magnet Album ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > yep - tell us what you think - I'd love to know. > Andy Garibaldi To be honest: it?s not as good as I expected. 13 tracks, an hour long, and there is (almost) no outstanding track. In fact all sound the same to me. No Spacelord tune here. Ok, best track is "Cry", a 7 min song sounding somewhat psychedelic. The title track could be the next single - sounding very clean and slow. "Take it" sounds like an outtake from Calvert?s Freq - same synth drums. What else can I say? I?m deeply disappointed! Nevertheless I?m going to see them live in Tilburg next month. Andreas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 14:53:19 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:53:19 +0000 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! In-Reply-To: <200011021630.QAA03040@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <200011021630.QAA03040 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes > >What's intriguing is that there do seem to be certain hallucinatory >images which are consistent across cultures and are even independent of >the means used to induce the state (priests used to whip themselves and >then wear hairshirts in order to make the wounds go septic; Jesus >starved himself; others avoided sleep - it just makes you so proud >science has made it as easy as taking a pill :-) > >Leary was probably onto something when he said that it indicated >something about basic neuronal wiring, but boy did he ever run with that >ball. > > >FoFP Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought (by some, probably not all, archaeologists) to be records of visual hallucinations experienced in shamanic trance states. Very similar hallucinatory patterns are reported by old folk who's visual cortex is degenerating. Of course this doesn't prove that the cave paintings represent hallucinations but it's an interesting idea. Leary: agreed, he stretched a little inspiration an awfully long way. Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have involved a silver helicopter covered in strobes and speakers- to make the jailers think he was being carried off by a UFO, y'see.... obvious really, can't imagine why the plan wasn't enacted. Anyway the music emanating from the speakers was to be none other than Hawkwind. Think this story was in the "Do Not Panic" book which I sadly lost after lending it to the wrong person (i.e. someone I never saw again). Fairly sure I heard DB say something about Leary just after they played Orgone Accumulator in Brixton. However the Accumulator wasn't Leary's idea, it was the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich (as Nik Turner correctly announces at the start of Undisclosed Files), although Leary may well have been an admirer of Reich- there were many parallels between them. FWIW I think they were both eccentrics with fascinating but ultimately untenable ideas. Course that doesn't justify the way they (Reich especially) were persecuted. -- Nick Medford From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 15:09:49 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:09:49 -0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk In a message dated 11/2/00 3:26:37 AM Central Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books I would never knew about Hawkwind. Likewise, As soon as I heard Chronicle of the Black Sword & saw hawkwind on tour, that was it! I've seen them so stoned I couldn't stand, completely straight and somewhere inbetween, I can honestly say that the state of my head has made no difference to my enjoyment of both the music & the stage shows. Oh yes, I think I'm 35, its hard to say sometimes coz time seems to do funny things when you don't believe in it. Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Nov 2 15:24:11 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:24:11 -0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Mine was when I was t 10!!!! Yes 18 years ago!!! how times flies!!! My dad borrowed Quark, Hakwind and Warrior on the edge of time off a friend at his work and taped them. I was hooked!!! Quark is still my fav album of all time. :-) Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem to remember that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? If someone with the original vinyl version could enlighten me on this and maybe scan it in for me and email it I would be very happy. I have a French reissue on vinyl and the CD release but would love the original vinyl version. :-)) cheers colm icq 62753543 -----Original Message----- From: Alissa To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 02 November 2000 09:28 Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind >> Mine was LEVITATION >> >> I listened and listened and ....... >> >> Everyone in my family, at the time, knew the lyrics to levitation & >motorway >> city etc.... >> off by heart :) > >And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books >I would never knew about Hawkwind. I was reading his biography where it was >written that he played in pop :) bands Deep Fix and Hawkwind and that is >why I bought Hawkwind Live Chronicles. And then more and more albums :). > >Alissa > From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Nov 2 15:23:15 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? ......................(leaves quietly) From sebastian at WELTON.DE Thu Nov 2 15:29:17 2000 From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:29:17 +0100 Subject: how we got into hawkwind (and other stuff) Message-ID: I can't quite remember first hearing or seeing Hawkwind but the first time was probably sometime in '77 at the Roundhouse in London when a bunch of old hippie friends took me along for a laugh. I only really got to know them better a few years later and even got to play in a band with Terry Ollis (only the once mind you, because I was crap as a singer for a Progressive/Hippy rock band and the punk band I played in were starting to go places.) Absinthe, lovely stuff. I picked up a couple of bottles of it last time I was in the UK and we knocked back one the other night in the pub along with a rather strange coloured and flavoured bottle of Polish vodka ( a decent pub as well as the barman will, attempt to, play anything I take in so we get the occasional HW.) But to beat Absinthe for the "I'm never going to drink again" effect is the home brewed schnapps I picked up in Zagreb the other day (at the Scotland vs. Croatia football game.) This stuff has got to just sniffed let alone be drunk! Drugs, take 'em or leave 'em nowadays. Popped in a local record shop here the other day (www.ulismusic.de) to pick up the two Gnidrolog albums (and have a beer) that have, eventually, come out on CD only to find out they had sold out. Ended up ordering the Sam Gopal - Escalator CD instead although he tried to sell me the 180oz vinyl version. Coming soon, due to a favour done for one of the blokes who works in said record shop, 2 cassettes recorded on a little mono cassette recorder of the Hawkwind gig performed here in Darmstadt on 4/6/1971 which I shall attempt to put, some of it, into an Internet friendly format and onto my website (if no-one objects.) Catch you all later, cheers, Seb. p.s. whatever happened to the Hawkwind Codex and ObCD? ------------------- Sebastian Welton sebastian at welton.de www.welton.de ------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 2 16:06:24 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:06:24 -0800 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500, Rik Rx wrote: >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? > >......................(leaves quietly) Actually, this is serious (well, not THAT serious)! Turkey is an excellent source of Tryptophan (as are, I believe, bananas), an amino acid that has several neurological effects including stimulation of seretonin (a neurotransmitter) production in the brain. And one of the neurological effects of LSD is to *reduce* seretonin levels in the brain (part of the reason why it's difficult to sleep under the influence of that substance - and why, for the opposite reason, you get sleepy after eating one of those big turkey dinners!). So be careful not to blow your trip forever if you're attending holiday dinners ... (people on-list who actually know something about neuroscience please feel free to clarify/correct anything I've written) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:15:56 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:45:56 +1030 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: >--BArt >btw I am 29...and still dreaming >NP Seven seconds I'm gonna stay young until i die Cool . Same here - except i'm 32 Michael B Passing the psychic peace pipe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: Re: No drugs > On 1 Nov 2000, at 22:19, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > I own & operate a Taxicab company:) At 38, I never ever expected to be doing this!!! Don't > > know how smart this one is, but it sure can be alot! I gotta know where it all is! > > i own my own company too. nothing to do with cabs though. i own > an political medialab, do tech-stuff, help setting up an IMC in the > netherlands, stream cultural en political events, organise partys :), > make small movies, and so on...still have to find a way to make > money ;-) > > --BArt > > btw I am 29...and still dreaming > > NP Seven seconds I'm gonna stay young until i die From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:20:54 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:50:54 +1030 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: I bought the Live 79 / Levitation cassette and played it untill it broke down a couple of years ago (eight faithful years of play ) then - finally - ordered the CD Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > On 2 Nov 2000, at 18:59, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > Mine was LEVITATION > > mine was some copilation tape made by a friend of mine, filled with > interesting music. apart from HW there were the legendary pink > dots, c cat trance, test dept. and soma other bands on it. > > for a while mixed up HW an LPD <;-0 > > then bought the live79 / levitation double cd, and i was hooked > > lost the tape unfortunately... > > > --BArt From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:22:56 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:52:56 +1030 Subject: claims to fames Message-ID: >come live in the Neteherlands, we do have decent amount of HEMP >farmers. Although they grow HEMP and not Marijuana, they are May do that some day :) Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: Re: claims to fames > On 2 Nov 2000, at 19:33, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > I would one day like to be a HEMP farmer > come live in the Neteherlands, we do have decent amount of HEMP > farmers. Although they grow HEMP and not Marijuana, they are > sponsored by some big Marijuana dealers like the "world famous" > Bulldog :-) > > > > The things that can be done with hemp are amazing > I know, they even build a car from HEMP in the beginning of 1900... > > --BArt > > no dope today...should be working...well...what the hack ;) > > NP Biohazard state of the world address From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:28:48 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:58:48 +1030 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: ha ha ha ha ........ 8>))))) had a great laugh when I read this.... - scroll down - Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: No drugs > > I got a bit sick of the dumb ravers from the foyer sound system at = > > Brixton trying to buy ecstasy of me. > > Just take some ex-lax along a xmas and sell it to 'em. If they're going > to listen to shit, they might as well get into it... > > FoFP > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:34:38 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:04:38 +1030 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: > Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have My wife wrote to Tim Leary when he was in jail and he wrote a really nice letter back to her. (she still has it) Sounds like a really interesting character. ( I say 'sounds' in the present tense because I don't believe in the finality of 'Death' - ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:23 AM Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > In message <200011021630.QAA03040 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes > > > >What's intriguing is that there do seem to be certain hallucinatory > >images which are consistent across cultures and are even independent of > >the means used to induce the state (priests used to whip themselves and > >then wear hairshirts in order to make the wounds go septic; Jesus > >starved himself; others avoided sleep - it just makes you so proud > >science has made it as easy as taking a pill :-) > > > >Leary was probably onto something when he said that it indicated > >something about basic neuronal wiring, but boy did he ever run with that > >ball. > > > > > >FoFP > > Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain > criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought (by some, > probably not all, archaeologists) to be records of visual hallucinations > experienced in shamanic trance states. Very similar hallucinatory patterns > are reported by old folk who's visual cortex is degenerating. Of course this > doesn't prove that the cave paintings represent hallucinations but it's an > interesting idea. > > Leary: agreed, he stretched a little inspiration an awfully long way. > > Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they > were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I > remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have > involved a silver helicopter covered in strobes and speakers- to make the > jailers think he was being carried off by a UFO, y'see.... obvious really, can't > imagine why the plan wasn't enacted. Anyway the music emanating from > the speakers was to be none other than Hawkwind. Think this story was in > the "Do Not Panic" book which I sadly lost after lending it to the wrong > person (i.e. someone I never saw again). > > Fairly sure I heard DB say something about Leary just after they played > Orgone Accumulator in Brixton. However the Accumulator wasn't Leary's > idea, it was the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich (as Nik Turner correctly > announces at the start of Undisclosed Files), although Leary may well have > been an admirer of Reich- there were many parallels between them. FWIW > I think they were both eccentrics with fascinating but ultimately untenable > ideas. Course that doesn't justify the way they (Reich especially) were > persecuted. > -- > Nick Medford From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:35:46 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:05:46 +1030 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: >, I think I'm 35, its hard to say sometimes coz time seems to do funny things >when you don't believe in it. Indeed - indeed it does :) ----- Original Message ----- From: g.m.wright To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk In a message dated 11/2/00 3:26:37 AM Central Standard Time, coral at APORT.RU writes: And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't reading his books I would never knew about Hawkwind. Likewise, As soon as I heard Chronicle of the Black Sword & saw hawkwind on tour, that was it! I've seen them so stoned I couldn't stand, completely straight and somewhere inbetween, I can honestly say that the state of my head has made no difference to my enjoyment of both the music & the stage shows. Oh yes, I think I'm 35, its hard to say sometimes coz time seems to do funny things when you don't believe in it. Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 2 16:30:25 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:30:25 GMT Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Its interesting how many people became HW fans through Moorcock books. I first heard about HW in a very differnt kind of book. It was a serious book on astronomy by Ian Ridpath (now a top British astronomy author)called 'WORLDS BEYOND' from about '75. He devoted several lines to them which seemed out of place in that kind of book, but if its intention was to turn people on to HW it worked with at least one, I checked them out soon after reading it (RoadHawks) and was instantly hooked. I still have the book, its one of my most treasured posessions. Mick > In article , Joe Loehr >writes > And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > reading his books > I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > Me, too. >been hooked ever since. > > Joe > > > >Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... >-- >Jon May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:54:41 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:24:41 +1030 Subject: check it out Message-ID: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric%20Tepee.htm My humble little tribute page to Hawkestra all night - in it infancy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 16:55:47 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:25:47 +1030 Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I got into Michael Moorcock books after discovering Hawkwind Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind > Its interesting how many people became HW fans through Moorcock books. I first heard about HW in a very differnt kind of book. It was a serious book on astronomy by Ian Ridpath (now a top British astronomy author)called 'WORLDS BEYOND' from about '75. He devoted several lines to them which seemed out of place in that kind of book, but if its intention was to turn people on to HW it worked with at least one, I checked them out soon after reading it (RoadHawks) and was instantly hooked. I still have the book, its one of my most treasured posessions. > > Mick > > > > In article , Joe Loehr > >writes > > And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > > reading his books > > I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > > > > Me, too. > > >been hooked ever since. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > >Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... > >-- > >Jon > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 18:29:08 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:29:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001102130624.0099b6f0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: In message <3.0.6.32.20001102130624.0099b6f0 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500, Rik Rx wrote: >>in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that >>most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? >> >>......................(leaves quietly) > >Actually, this is serious (well, not THAT serious)! Turkey is an excellent >source of Tryptophan (as are, I believe, bananas), an amino acid that has >several neurological effects including stimulation of seretonin (a >neurotransmitter) production in the brain. And one of the neurological >effects of LSD is to *reduce* seretonin levels in the brain (part of the >reason why it's difficult to sleep under the influence of that substance - >and why, for the opposite reason, you get sleepy after eating one of those >big turkey dinners!). > >So be careful not to blow your trip forever if you're attending holiday >dinners ... (people on-list who actually know something about neuroscience >please feel free to clarify/correct anything I've written) ... Well there are lots of physiological reasons why one feels sleepy after a big meal, but otherwise what you say is correct. Although if I'm really pedantic I suppose I should point out that the correct spelling is serotonin (otherwise known as 5-hydroxytryptamine). As an aside, I once read an article by someone who claimed to have identified the tree under which Buddha had his enlightenment, and to have analysed the fruit, and that it had an unusually high serotonin content. However I cannot vouch for the truth of this! Struggling to work Hawkwind content into this post but I guess psychopharmacology and cosmic illumination have their place on this list... -- Nick Medford From clemens at TRAIL.COM Thu Nov 2 18:48:52 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (urf.clemens@world.net) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:48:52 -0700 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: > > As an aside, I once read an article by someone who claimed to have > identified the tree under which Buddha had his enlightenment, and to have > analysed the fruit, and that it had an unusually high serotonin content. > However I cannot vouch for the truth of this! > That would be the Ficus religiosa (Bodhi Tree.) The other Mark L From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Thu Nov 2 18:56:29 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:56:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001102130624.0099b6f0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: I loved that bit of info from Doug Pearson about the 'Turkey Effect'. Xmas dinner will never seem quite the same again! Now.....how many of you out there remember as a teenager, being able to go out and consume a sufficient excess of alchohol......sleep it off.....and wake up feeling fine (albeit a bit dehydrated) and well enough to go to school or college? The as time rolls on into your 20's (when I got my first REAL hangover)....then into the 30's and you go out and drink moderately without getting plastered and you wake up the following morning feeling worse than shite itself. And the problem gets worse with age. Well .....there is a preventative answer.......which does not involve drinking pints of milk to line the stomach or consuming vast quantities of water at the end of your night out. Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing exactly what all the doctors and nurses do before they go on their ritualistic binge after a hard weeks shift...... Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie Neurofen in the UK) (*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does work...........BUT HOW???? I met up with a consultant from Guys Hospital in London some time ago, and asked him about this just to find out if he could authenticate this preventative remedy. He was well familiar with this pre-hangover treatment and went on to explain exactly how it works. It is nothing to do with 'killing the pain in advance'. What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before consuming alcholic drink, the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for us as teenagers when we went out drinking. Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less efficient at dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old 'lightweights' such as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half pints of Guiness. Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE TAKEN WITH FOOD ! NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any other painkiller bought over the counter! ) Oh......for the record! On the 21st October........... 8pm - 2 x Neurofen 8 - 9.30pm - 2 Pints of Theakstons Best + 1 Double Vodka + Red Bull (Yuk!) @ The Beehive,Brixton. 10.30 - 02.00am - Double Vodka & Tonic + 2 Pints of Stella during Hawkestra. 02.30 - 3.30pm - Went home pleasantly pissed.....Slept........Got up 11am.......Ears still HISSING but head felt fine!!! Regards Mel From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Thu Nov 2 19:01:42 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:01:42 +1300 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! In-Reply-To: <3jkiWEAvYcA6EwVn@hermit0.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought Was that shown on BBC2 ? Do you recall what music was used to accompany the programme ? Richard From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 2 19:13:45 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:13:45 GMT Subject: Off/On: No Drugs & Hawkwind Message-ID: Hey Now, Just wanted to blast you guys. Not all of what I said was true. I am no Sid Vicious! However, I do partake in the other substances. Some more than others. Basically, on the weekend, at shows etc. It's a celebration, not a habit! I DO NOT drink alcohol. I quit 10 years ago and I don't miss it at all. I do not smoke during the week, for the most part. If there's a show here on Tuesday etc. I celebrate! Moderation is the key. I got pneumonia in '88 from too much kind, so I take it easy and no schwag! I am a Geologist (Hydrogeologist). I have been in the environmental business for 13 years. When I worked in the lab, I did go home at lunch and party. It did not effect my work, but by Thursday, I needed a nap ") Of course, that's when I lived in Cleveland, where I saw my first Hawkwind show. I think it was 9/30/89. Very spacey show! Especially on Florida's free high ") Actually, they were probably from Oregon. I first heard Hawkwind at the Bowling Green State University library. I was a metal head and already had all the Motorhead albums. I was tracing Lemmy's roots, so I listened to a scratched copy of DOREMI on the headphones in the library and I was hooked! I guess this was about 1979. The first album I bought was In Search of Space and the rest is history. Just for the record, I would never put any drug in my veins and I am VERY anti-cocaine. One week before college graduation, I walked in on a drug bust at a friends. I watched them get taken away in handcuffs and end up in Mansfield, Ohio, a federal(?) prison as seen in the movie "Brubaker". I have seen that drug ruin too many people's lives and I stay away! Peace, Darrin _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 19:27:02 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:27:02 EST Subject: OFF: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/00 3:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, mel at MVA.U-NET.COM writes: > Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing exactly what all > the doctors and nurses do before they go on their ritualistic binge after a > hard weeks shift...... > Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie Neurofen in the UK) > (*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) > It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as > directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! > Worth a try I guess. But let me get this straight... > I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does work...........BUT > HOW???? > > Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN > AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE > TAKEN WITH FOOD ! > You did mean as directly before you begin drinking as possible? And what dosage? And just once? Thanks (though this one belongs waaaay OFF), Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 2 14:04:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:04:01 -0000 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: Yeh - but they lost two and it went down to ten!!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:26 PM Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > Never tried any drugs. > > > > > Yeah, I get high on Jesus! > > So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 2 14:14:56 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:14:56 -0000 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any good,let me know, please. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:05 PM Subject: BOC Friday > On 2 Nov 00, at 8:30, Nick Medford wrote: > > > > First HW show: Black Sword, Hammersmith '85. I remember the excitement > > my 16 year-old self and my mates had about going to this gig. > > Difficult (and perhaps not desirable) to retain that sense of awe and > > excitement as you get older but ever since I knew the Hawkestra was > > definitely happening I felt like I was 16 again! And it actually lived > > up to my wholly unreasonable expectations! > > Good point about sustaining the excitement felt as a youthful convert. > I gotta say I'm pretty psyched to see BOC tomorrow night some 28 > years after my first gig--damn, 28 years is older than a lot of folks on > this list! And, it's probably a bit harder to stay focused on BOC as > they haven't had a steady steam of new releases like HW has. Still, > BOC live is an event similar to HW, although, I gather, BOC plays a > lot more shows than HW in a given year. > > Anyone have an idea what we'll hear Fri. night? Haven't seen any set > lists from recent BOC gigs. I'm still bitterly disappointed from the > Vernon gig where BOC got short-sheeted into playing an abbreviated > set, with no 'new' stuff--not even any HF tunes. Hopefully, tomorrow's > gig will set that straight. > > BTW, for Nick and anyone else traveling a long distance for the > show: I contacted the venue, and the dude said that doors open at 8, > and first band goes on at 930p. According to the web site, there are > 2 opening bands, which should put BOC on stage around 11-1130p, > I guess. > > What time are you all planning on showing up? I figure to hit the > place around 830 or so. Maybe later. as I'm not in any hurry to hear > Bad Karma, the opening act, which sounds like a bad cover band. > Any of you Albany-area guys heard them? Some other dude is > playing--forget his name. Mike, Jason, have you heard? > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 2 14:25:15 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:25:15 -0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Bizarre here - for some reason I can't remember I decided to borrow a copy of 'In Search Of Space' from a postal lending library I was with back in '72 and could not believe 'Shouldn't Do That' - that track started a career, let alone a collection. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > i first heard "master of the universe" on LA FM radio in the summer of > '72....seems like i heard it several days in a row. upon reflexion, it > must've been the hypnotic repetitition and that phasing which sucked me in. i > was soon to turn 15. > i bought the ISOS lp as soon as i could, and liked that lp plenty, but > really, for me, that was the summer of the "ziggy stardust" lp. proper > hawk-fanaticism would have to wait awhile... > > ....until early the next year, when i bought the 'doremi' lp. amazing > drumming! amazing in general! >>>LEMMY!<<< > == > i had yet to become the cannabis enthusiast i would become [to this very day] > and i must divide my fandom twixt 'pre-pot' and 'post-pot'...and hearing HW > _stoned_, well,...here i am over a quarter-century later still discussing > them. > dont try this at home, kids. > > i have written of my growing disenchantment with post-lemmy HW too many times > here...but the era w/lemmy in the band, and the non-conformist if not, um, > 'revolutionary' attitude they seemed to project, had a great deal in my > leaving home the day after i turned 18 to play rock music on my own...and > much later, in the tres unreal das ludicroix, to enjoy drumming in 'simon > king mode'. and once i figured it out, it wasnt so much what he did but the > authority with which he did it. > > the hawkestra show must've been awesome; hoping to acquire tapes of it before > long. > > salud! > shalom! > > "<>" From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 2 14:35:07 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:35:07 -0000 Subject: HW: How old is you. Message-ID: Exactly - don;t waht it's like for the rest of the world oit there but the current state of UK national and local radio when it comes to all forms of non-mainstream music is worse than lamentable and it seems that individuality, choice, regard for the music by those who pick and play it, looking forward, etc, etc has all gone up in flames. It will be a brave man who tries to break the mould - of course I am available to any radio station out there, if you want!! It's easy to play things that people want to hear in the world of so-called 'serious' music - Peel still does it, I've been told for years I sound just like John Peel, so - bingo - I'm yer man - radio stations look out. Andy Garibaldi. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Browne" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: HW: How old is you. > In article <02f501c04463$19f65900$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI > writes > >Of course I'll be those of you older types > >with families have tried to get their offspring into Hawkwind and no doubt > >without success, as kids generally hate what their parents like. > > > You'll be gratified to hear that my 9 year old son listens to Warrior on > The Edge of Time, in a 3 disc changer with Lou Reed's Transformer, and > David Bowie's Space Oddity, on permanent rotation. His favourite music > is "stuff about space". He's just beginning to notice that there isn't a > lot of this on the radio. > -- > Jon From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 19:34:36 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:34:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before >consuming alcholic drink, >the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an >enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic >drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. !! Forgive me but... no way can you "produce an enzyme" in this way! And alcohol doesn't contain antibodies, antibodies are 'good guys' produced by your own immune system to fight infection, help heal wounds etc. It (the ibuprofen) may give the liver a "kick-start", i.e. make the liver's natural enzymes work more effectively, thus you will get the alcohol out of your system quicker. Hope you won't mind me commenting but you seem to be genuinely interested in the mechanisms so thought you'd like clarification. >It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for us as teenagers >when we went out drinking. Yes- see above. >Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less efficient at >dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old 'lightweights' such >as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half pints of Guiness. > >Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN > AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE > TAKEN WITH FOOD ! > >NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any other painkiller >bought over the counter! ) Ibuprofen is freely available over the counter in the UK. I thought it was in the US too, maybe not. (Perhaps it varies between states?) Can we get back to Hawkwind pleeze?! I'm already on enough medical mailing lists! -- Nick Medford From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 2 19:38:18 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:38:18 -0800 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: I'll be the one wearing a BOC or Brain Surgeon t-shirt, BOC hat, and shouting "Anyone here from the BOC e-group?" --- "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: > > > > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a > > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind > a > > mobile station across from Price Chopper. > > > Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty > convenient to have > another bar close by where you can get a drink > without costing an > arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar > waiting for BOC. > How will we recognize you? > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 19:43:14 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:43:14 +0000 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Richard Stockwell writes >> Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain >criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought > >Was that shown on BBC2 ? Do you recall what music was used to accompany the >programme ? > >Richard Yeah it was definitely Beeb 2. It was part of a series on the origins of the human species. the other programs weren't as interesting though. I have a feeling some Dead Can Dance music was used in the program, can't remember which tracks, and I may be getting it mixed up, but I definitely noticed DCD on the soundtrack to something I watched recently. They were one of my fave bands in the 80s, in fact one of the very few 80s bands of any note IMHO. -- Nick Medford From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 2 19:46:39 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:46:39 -0800 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: Darn, Ted Junior. I can be at Ravenswood about, eh, I dunno because I have to pick up so many people. But I'll be at the Ravenwood before 8:00 pm for sure. --- "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: > > > > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a > > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind > a > > mobile station across from Price Chopper. > > > Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty > convenient to have > another bar close by where you can get a drink > without costing an > arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar > waiting for BOC. > How will we recognize you? > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Thu Nov 2 20:05:45 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:05:45 +1300 Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <000501c0452e$c9d70ce0$a39cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: > Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any good,let me know, please. The New Zealand band Serotonin are now based in London and are looking to start gigging. They were supposed to be the support slot for Hawkwind when the band were in NZ but the Palmerston North gig (where Serotonin come from) didn't happen so the band missed out. Richard Aleen at delerium records described their "Cluster" Cd as a "laid back Hawkwind". I've got a contact number in London if you need it. Richard Cranium Music From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Nov 2 20:03:09 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:03:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: > On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500, Rik Rx wrote: > >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that > >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? > > > >......................(leaves quietly) > > Actually, this is serious (well, not THAT serious)! Turkey is an excellent > source of Tryptophan (as are, I believe, bananas), an amino acid that has > several neurological effects including stimulation of seretonin (a > neurotransmitter) production in the brain. And one of the neurological > effects of LSD is to *reduce* seretonin levels in the brain (part of the > reason why it's difficult to sleep under the influence of that substance - > and why, for the opposite reason, you get sleepy after eating one of those > big turkey dinners!). > > So be careful not to blow your trip forever if you're attending holiday > dinners ... (people on-list who actually know something about neuroscience > please feel free to clarify/correct anything I've written) ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com The bit about turkey is completely accurate, but not about LSD. LSD is a blocker of serotonin receptors (a chemical mimic of serotonin, though not with the same effect). It is not fully known what exactly it does, but suffice it to say that once it is locked into serotonin receptors, it does something different than serotonin, thus producing its effect. It may be a simple blockade (no effect at the receptor site) or it may have some stimulatory effect. In any case, it disrupts the serotonin system. John Majka From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 20:03:57 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:33:57 +1030 Subject: radio Message-ID: > Exactly - don;t waht it's like for the rest of the world oit there but the >current state of UK national and local radio when it comes to all forms of >non-mainstream music is worse than lamentable and it seems that >individuality, choice, regard for the music by those who pick and play it, similar in Australia but there are a few stations that are okay I recently got my membership to our local volunteer radio station - a pretty decent one at that - and have a friend there who is gonna help me get a spot as a volunteer DJ - not sure exactly when this will happen but I'm gonna do a space rock set featuring Hawkwind and related material - I have a great CD from Steve Hayes that I want to use and I'm waiting on a skyclad cd and also have a CD from a Melbourne band called Brainstorm. 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Can't think of the best offhand! -- Nick Medford From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Nov 2 20:11:30 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:11:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: > I loved that bit of info from Doug Pearson about the 'Turkey Effect'. Xmas > dinner will never seem quite the same again! > > Now.....how many of you out there remember as a teenager, being able to go > out and consume a sufficient excess of alchohol......sleep it off.....and > wake up feeling fine (albeit a bit dehydrated) and well enough to go to > school or college? > > The as time rolls on into your 20's (when I got my first REAL > hangover)....then into the 30's and you go out and drink moderately without > getting plastered and you wake up the following morning feeling worse than > shite itself. And the problem gets worse with age. > > Well .....there is a preventative answer.......which does not involve > drinking pints of milk to line the stomach or consuming vast quantities of > water at the end of your night out. > > Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing exactly what all > the doctors and nurses do before they go on their ritualistic binge after a > hard weeks shift...... > Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie Neurofen in the UK) > (*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) > It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as > directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! > > I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does work...........BUT > HOW???? > > I met up with a consultant from Guys Hospital in London some time ago, and > asked him about this just to find out if he could authenticate this > preventative remedy. > He was well familiar with this pre-hangover treatment and went on to > explain exactly how it works. > It is nothing to do with 'killing the pain in advance'. > What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before > consuming alcholic drink, > the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an > enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic > drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. > It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for us as teenagers > when we went out drinking. > Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less efficient at > dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old 'lightweights' such > as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half pints of Guiness. > > Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN > AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE > TAKEN WITH FOOD ! > > NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any other painkiller > bought over the counter! ) > Mel OK as regards alcohol and hangovers... the cause of the yucky feelings in a hangover is dehydration of the central nervous system. The best way to avoid a hangover has been and always will be to drink lots of water (not more alcohol, and not caffeine-containing substances, as both of these are dehydrating). So drink lots of water before, during, and after your drinking binge and you should feel a lot better. As regards ibuprofen... I can't see any reason why it would be an effective preventative for a hangover. It MIGHT be possible that ibuprofen has a small inducer effect on liver enzymes, which could speed the metabolism of alcohol, but the effect is probably negligible, as it is pretty well known which drugs and which drug classes are inducers and inhibitors of the P450 system of liver enzymes (the ones that generally metabolize drugs etc. in the body), and ibuprofen is neither an inducer or inhibitor according the research. As for the proposed hypothesis about antibodies in alcohol etc... that's just a garbled mess of misinformation. Antibodies are produced by the immune system in response to foreign invaders. Alcohol doesn't have antibodies. My personal opinion is that if there is any effect from ibuprofen to prevent hangovers, I think it is all psychosomatic. 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URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 2 20:56:39 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:56:39 -0800 Subject: OFF: radio Message-ID: Well, you're in Australia, so you should start by contacting the cool labels there, like Camera Obscura (home of the Skye Klad-related band Salamander and a couple lineups of Primordial Undermind, one of which includes me, as well as a pair of compilations entitled - you guessed it! - 'SEROTONIN Ronin' [did I spell it correctly this time?]) or Lexicon Devil (the folks behind the great F/i reissue that I've been flogging here recently). When I did community college radio (KFJC 89.7 in the Bay Area), I spent a *lot* of time writing letters to small, obscure labels who put out the kind of music I was interested in. Some wouldn't do promo at all, or only on certain items (I'm pretty sure that every F/i record in the station library was paid for by the station), but most, once they realized that it would be sent to a station (even if a low-wattage one) where they'd get real airplay, were happy to send promos. They can't afford to send promos to *every* little station in the country, just the ones that express interest in them. Including a playlist from your show is always a good idea, since that will give the label an indication that you'd be a sympathetic outlet for their releases. Good luck, and have a blast with it! -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:33:57 +1030, Michael Blackman wrote: >I recently got my membership to our local volunteer radio >station - a pretty decent one at that - and have a friend >there who is gonna help me get a spot as a volunteer DJ - >not sure exactly when this will happen but I'm gonna do a >space rock set featuring Hawkwind and related material - >I have a great CD from Steve Hayes that I want to use and >I'm waiting on a skyclad cd and also have a CD from a >Melbourne band called Brainstorm. >I'm currently looking for any other related original bands >to include in my collection? > >Can anyone help? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 2 21:00:20 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:00:20 -0800 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I'm sure I've posted this before, but what the heck ... Autumn 1984, I'd just started college. Tuned into the college station (WJHU in Baltimore, now sadly a 100% classical/NPR station with no rock/experimental/adventurous music played) late one night when I got back to my dorm room more than a bit stoned (something I'd also experienced for the first time only a few weeks prior). I'd heard OF Hawkwind from reading "rock encyclopedia" type books and knew that they were sort of an "English Grateful Dead" (in terms of being a long-running hippy/psych band known for its live performances) and "friends of Michael Moorcock" (I'd read the Elric series, at least). Minutes after I'd turned on the radio, the DJ announced "Psychedelic Warlords by Hawkwind", and I think I was hooked from the moment Del's synthesizer drone faded in, followed by Brock's riffage and then the whole band kicking into gear. I was blown away. The next day, I took the bus downtown to a used record store, and picked up copies of 'Space Ritual', 'Roadhawks' and 'Live 79'. Within a couple years, I'd amassed a collection of 40+ LP's. I started writing to Brian Tawn to get Hawkwind Feedback news (it was kind of depressing that the first "new" news I received about the band involved Nik getting fired), and the rest is history ... And at 33, I still enjoy the occasional (or more frequently than occasional) puff on the peace pipe, and while it may be my *preferred* state of mind for listening to Hawkwind, I would never claim that it's required! I saw my first Hawkwind show in '89 under the influence of nothing stronger than Anchor Steam beer (NO THANKS to the security at One Step Beyond in Santa Clara!), and it was still great! I certainly wouldn't want to interfere with anyone else listening to Hawkwind in their preferred way (whatever way that might be), as long as they don't mess with mine ... Attending college in the mid 80's, I certainly saw my share of people screw themselves up royally with cocaine - some recovered, some didn't. But at least nobody died, which is more than I can say for some of the heroin users I've known. Anyone else gotten your boc-l tape swap cassettes yet? I've enjoyed the one I received (but will listen to it once or twice more before posting) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 2 21:20:11 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:20:11 -0600 Subject: HW: getting into HW Message-ID: Like many others, I found my way via Moorcock's books. Picked up Chronicles of the Black Sword, fell in love (particularly with the two instrumentals, shade gate, and pulsing cavern) and have been collecting since. As to where I fit in the scale of ages, degrees, professions....I'm 29 (female, since that is nonobvious from my name), have a BA in Anthropology and Japanese Studies, have most of an MA in anthro. Dropped out, went to work in computers, now do systems administration. am back in school (still working full-time), but now for compsci (and hating it!) Arin (why, oh why did they announce the xmas gig just after all the tickets from the recent fare wars have sold out...sigh ;-) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu Nov 2 21:25:54 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:25:54 +1100 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: For me, it was in late '79. I was 13 and lived in country Victoria (Australia), and at that time my friends and I used to tune in to a former pirate AM radio station from Sydney '2JJ' (which has since transformed into the national "youth" FM network JJJ) after dark (as it was the only time we could receive it) thanks to the limited choices provided by the two local country broadcasters. During this period we discovered to our delight that there was such a thing as "good" music, as the 2JJ announcers were not constricted by play lists at all. Then one night "Robot" made it's way through the background noise (Sydney being 500-600 miles away), and my mind was blown away. By the time I was in year 10/form 4 I had bought half a dozen HW albums from what little pocket money I could scrape up and there was no turning back. My record collection at this time consisted of one piece of rubbish (Hitwave 77), Steve Hillage's "Green", Meco's "Close Encounters of Every Kind" and HW albums (HOTMG, SR, Astounding, 1st album and a few others). My tastes continued to diversify but HW is still now the largest part of my not modest collection. First live HW experience? 21 years later: Studio 22 in Sydney this year, followed by the Sydney Metro gig ... S. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 2 21:44:38 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:44:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: drugs Message-ID: So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard caffeine, etc.) I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty depressive experience for me.) But I've always wanted to. But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing (at least judging by my collector instincts). Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay away from? good environment for a first trip? (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) Arin From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 21:49:08 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:49:08 EST Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind(and BOC) Message-ID: Michael Moorcock also got me to be a raving BOC fan, too. I was watching 'Heavy Metal' one Friday night, and I saw that Veteran of the Psychic Wars was co-written by MM. Come Saturday, I went on a quest to find the album it was on. Found it, and Black Blade, too. I listened to those two CDs for a while, then said, "I'm getting the rest of their stuff; this is good!" Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, not that anybody would ever use it against you. From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Nov 2 23:19:34 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:19:34 -0700 Subject: drugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A suggestion is, to quote Harvey Bainbridge, "Brain Food. And what is Brain Food? It's what grows naturally...You can eat it, you can smoke it, you can roll around in it..." Environment? How about this: comfortably at home, Disney's Fantasia showing on the video, with "X In Search Of Space" providing the soundtrack. I've tried it. Forget the Wizard of Oz and "Dark Side of the Moon;" this is a much better combination! Kevin Sommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Arin Komins Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:45 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: drugs So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard caffeine, etc.) I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty depressive experience for me.) But I've always wanted to. But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing (at least judging by my collector instincts). Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay away from? good environment for a first trip? ... Arin From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 2 23:37:11 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:07:11 +1030 Subject: more to come Message-ID: I hope to add quite a few more jpeg ticket stubs to my page in the near future! 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However, not that anybody would ever use it against you. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 01:34:21 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:34:21 EST Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/00 12:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET writes: > Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem to remember > that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? I happened across the US release which does include such a lyric sheet. Also have an Australian (thanks to Sonique) which did not come w/lyrics or liner, but then that was used, so... Let me know if you want a copy... Chuck From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 03:14:59 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:14:59 -0000 Subject: Bedouin date alteration Message-ID: Hi, The Bedouin gig tonight in Chester was cancelled due to adverse weather conditions (flooding of course!) and has been re-scheduled for November 23rd (day before Boston gig). Nov ** Cancelled due to flooding 2nd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin ** 3rd The Rigger, Marsh Parade, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 616602. Bedouin 4th Uplands Tavern, 42,Uplands Cres., Swansea.01792 458242. AoS 9th The Limelight, Crewe. 01270 255519. Now Bedouin 10th The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 Bedouin 11th Esquires Club, Greyfriars Road, Bedford. 01234 217171 AoS 17th The Twist, Military Road, Colchester. 01206 562453 AoS 8th Half Moon, 93,Richmond Road, Putney.0181 7809383 Bedouin ** 23rd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin ** 24th Axe and Cleaver, 16, West Street, Boston.01205 367300. Bedouin 25th Running Horse,16 Alfreton Road Nottingham.0115 9787398. AoS Dec 1st Uplands Tavern, 42,Uplands Cres., Swansea.01792 458242. Bedouin 2nd Community Centre, Rye, Sussex. 07899 676723. Bedouin with Harvey Bainbridge 16th Lister Hall, Dursley, Gloucestershire. Bedouin with Groundhogs supporting 29th Astoria, London. Hawkwind++ Jan 5th Burley's Rock Club, Marine Parade, Worthing AoS 6th The Cartoon, Croydon AoS March 24th Leas Cliff Hall, Folkstone. Bedouin Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 03:59:41 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:59:41 -0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Jon(ny) come lately *g* The Singing Citadel... ooooo... 'bout 29 years ago *g* The newly magnetised ChrisW (Monster, that is) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Browne [mailto:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > > In article , Joe Loehr > > writes > >> And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > >> reading his books > >> I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > > > > Me, too. > > >been hooked ever since. > > > > Joe > > > > Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... > -- > Jon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No Spacelord tune here. Ok, best track is "Cry", a 7 min song sounding somewhat psychedelic. The title track could be the next single - sounding very clean and slow. "Take it" sounds like an outtake from Calvert?s Freq - same synth drums. What else can I say? I?m deeply disappointed! Nevertheless I?m going to see them live in Tilburg next month. Andreas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 04:13:29 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:13:29 -0000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind (and other stuff) Message-ID: > Drugs, take 'em or leave 'em nowadays. Take 'em... every time 8o{P> > > Popped in a local record shop here the other day (www.ulismusic.de) to > pick up the two Gnidrolog albums (and have a beer) that have, > eventually, come out on CD Amazing what's getting re-issued these days, innnit? > out. 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Cheers, Mark > > From: Bernhard Pospiech > > Subject: HW: Dave Brock poem > > > Hello folks > > > I still do not know what DAVE BROCK performed on 21.10.2000 > > > between ANGELS OF DEATH and SPIRIT OF THE AGE > > > It does not sound like FIRST LANDING ON MEDUSA > > > > Hi Bernhard! > > Wasn't it the second verse of that poem - the bit that starts "Full > > waking took us days to realize,/Adjusting to the newness of our > > eyes/We stayed inside, performing simple tasks......." > > > > That's what I seem to remember. But then I'm not entirely > > convinced I can rely on my memory with overmuch confidence! > > That's what I heard too, and my memory is at least as reliable as after > the cider flagon at Glastonbury '81 ;-) > > FoFP From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 04:29:37 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:29:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: The hangover inducing elements are "congeners". Apart from the dehydrating effects of the alcohol, vodka is least troublesome, because it is almost purely alcohol & water. At the opposite extreme are drinks like brandy, or port (probably most liqueurs too) which have a large number of complex flavouring elements. Beers vary across the spectrum, but don't think that because a beer is "light" doesn't make it better... anecdotal evidence suggests that Stella is one of the worst culprits for inducing headaches... my own experience in Belgium was that even very large quantities of Hoegaarden caused me relatively little ill-effect (surprising, given the complexity of that beer). I've also noticed that as I've grown older, I'm less likely to be ill on the night, but after a real bender I find myself shouting down the big white telephone at about 11:00 a.m. the following day, curious huh? Soberly yours ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 04:44:07 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:44:07 +1000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I've got an original Charisma vinyl copy of Quark - but it's the Australian release, without an inner sleeve ... sorry, can't enlighten you further. My first hearing of Hawkwind was back in '71 or '72 (I was 21 then) when, after indulging in much drinking and smoking, a friend clapped a set of headphones on me and said "listen to this!" After some interesting sounds and music someone kept whispering into my head "you shouldn't do that, you shouldn't do that!" - X In Search of Space. That was the start of a long affair with HW. I got DB to sign on Stacia's figure on my copy of XISOS (which I bought the day after I first heard it) when he was out here in February ... now I'm really looking forward to their next visit to Oz! Tony M. > -----Original Message----- > From: bedroom trancer [mailto:colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET] > Sent: Friday, 3 November 2000 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > > Mine was when I was t 10!!!! Yes 18 years ago!!! how times flies!!! > > My dad borrowed Quark, Hakwind and Warrior on the edge of time off a > friend at his work and taped them. I was hooked!!! Quark is still my fav > album of all time. :-) > Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem > to remember > that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? > > If someone with the original vinyl version could enlighten me on this and > maybe scan it in for me and email it I would be very happy. > > I have a French reissue on vinyl and the CD release but would love the > original vinyl version. :-)) > > cheers > > colm > > icq 62753543 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alissa > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 02 November 2000 09:28 > Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > > >> Mine was LEVITATION > >> > >> I listened and listened and ....... > >> > >> Everyone in my family, at the time, knew the lyrics to levitation & > >motorway > >> city etc.... > >> off by heart :) > > > >And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > reading his books > >I would never knew about Hawkwind. I was reading his biography > where it was > >written that he played in pop :) bands Deep Fix and Hawkwind and that is > >why I bought Hawkwind Live Chronicles. And then more and more albums :). > > > >Alissa > > > From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 04:57:09 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:57:09 +1000 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: There's quite a good set of pages in local (as in Queensland, Australia) Michael Moorcock fan's website ... start at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzmwilco/music.html Tony M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Crook [mailto:m.j.crook at TALK21.COM] > Sent: Friday, 3 November 2000 7:30 AM > Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind > > > Its interesting how many people became HW fans through Moorcock > books. I first heard about HW in a very differnt kind of book. It > was a serious book on astronomy by Ian Ridpath (now a top British > astronomy author)called 'WORLDS BEYOND' from about '75. He > devoted several lines to them which seemed out of place in that > kind of book, but if its intention was to turn people on to HW it > worked with at least one, I checked them out soon after reading > it (RoadHawks) and was instantly hooked. I still have the book, > its one of my most treasured posessions. > > Mick > > > > In article , Joe Loehr > >writes > > And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > > reading his books > > I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > > > > Me, too. > > >been hooked ever since. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > >Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... > >-- > >Jon > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 05:27:20 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:57:20 +1030 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: > (which I bought the day after I first heard it) when he was out here in > February ... now I'm really looking forward to their next visit to Oz! So am I......REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Melius To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:14 PM Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > I've got an original Charisma vinyl copy of Quark - but it's the Australian > release, without an inner sleeve ... sorry, can't enlighten you further. > > My first hearing of Hawkwind was back in '71 or '72 (I was 21 then) when, > after indulging in much drinking and smoking, a friend clapped a set of > headphones on me and said "listen to this!" After some interesting sounds > and music someone kept whispering into my head "you shouldn't do that, you > shouldn't do that!" - X In Search of Space. That was the start of a long > affair with HW. I got DB to sign on Stacia's figure on my copy of XISOS > (which I bought the day after I first heard it) when he was out here in > February ... now I'm really looking forward to their next visit to Oz! > > Tony M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bedroom trancer [mailto:colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET] > > Sent: Friday, 3 November 2000 6:24 AM > > Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > > > > > Mine was when I was t 10!!!! Yes 18 years ago!!! how times flies!!! > > > > My dad borrowed Quark, Hakwind and Warrior on the edge of time off a > > friend at his work and taped them. I was hooked!!! Quark is still my fav > > album of all time. :-) > > Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem > > to remember > > that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? > > > > If someone with the original vinyl version could enlighten me on this and > > maybe scan it in for me and email it I would be very happy. > > > > I have a French reissue on vinyl and the CD release but would love the > > original vinyl version. :-)) > > > > cheers > > > > colm > > > > icq 62753543 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alissa > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 02 November 2000 09:28 > > Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > > > > > >> Mine was LEVITATION > > >> > > >> I listened and listened and ....... > > >> > > >> Everyone in my family, at the time, knew the lyrics to levitation & > > >motorway > > >> city etc.... > > >> off by heart :) > > > > > >And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > > reading his books > > >I would never knew about Hawkwind. I was reading his biography > > where it was > > >written that he played in pop :) bands Deep Fix and Hawkwind and that is > > >why I bought Hawkwind Live Chronicles. And then more and more albums :). > > > > > >Alissa > > > > > From mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE Fri Nov 3 05:37:31 2000 From: mail at SUPER-TUNES.DE (Chris Appelt) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 05:37:31 -0500 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Hi there, I was 14 I think, listendes to the radio, Mal Sondock's Oldie-Chart and listended to SILVER MACHINE, it sounded as cool as Nazareth's This Flight Tonight and I recorded the track on my little tape and became for it, heard it 5 to 10 times a day. Next summer I saw Szene 77 moderated by Thomas Gottschalk and he introduced the album quark strangeness and charm. Christmas that year brought me the SPace Ritual, an album I bought three times because it was played down... I also got a little telescope and watched the winter night sky, icy cold air, icy cold fingers and at some point I heard Seven by Seven while looking into the Orion nebula... ...that was it and up to now Hawkwind is part of my life, my first live concert was 1986 at the LUXOR in Cologne where I lived that time, many dates followed at Bochum or Cologne, also Nik Turner at the MTC and a good time with Nik at a little bar in the quartier latin. Brixton was the first concert in Britain and the fulfillment of thousand dreams, my most important impressions: The giant sound-power when playing Psychedelic Warlord and Tim Blake's silent aura and his New Jerusalem solo track and of course to see all musicians. Well that's it. No, not at all. 1996 in May my wife died and one day before I bought the first album with the extra tracks, and CYMBALINE was the song that kept me alive during the next weeks. The world lost a great Hawkwind-fan at that time... ..yes, and I had to stop editing the ALIEN 4 Page, my Hawkwind-website in the internet - Sonic, do you remember that project and David Graham and you too, Phil Franks????? I had to take care of my children. Some days ago I showed them the pic of Dave Brock from the Mission Control website and asked them (both 10 years old) how old this man would be... they argued about 38 - 40 years old ... Hello Dave, you look younger every year !!!! Your Chris From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 06:43:41 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:43:41 GMT Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > In message <200011021630.QAA03040 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes > > > >What's intriguing is that there do seem to be certain hallucinatory > >images which are consistent across cultures and are even independent of > >the means used to induce the state (priests used to whip themselves and > >then wear hairshirts in order to make the wounds go septic; Jesus > >starved himself; others avoided sleep - it just makes you so proud > >science has made it as easy as taking a pill :-) > > > >Leary was probably onto something when he said that it indicated > >something about basic neuronal wiring, but boy did he ever run with that > >ball. > > > > > >FoFP > > Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain > criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought (by some, > probably not all, archaeologists) to be records of visual hallucinations > experienced in shamanic trance states. Very similar hallucinatory patterns > are reported by old folk who's visual cortex is degenerating. Of course this > doesn't prove that the cave paintings represent hallucinations but it's an > interesting idea. I possibly have this on tape from when I was away. I'll have a look for it. > Leary: agreed, he stretched a little inspiration an awfully long way. I read a biography of his and had a strong feeling that he saw himself with LSD as a version of Freud with cocaine. Apart from that there was a strong element of the anti-authortarian irishman in his character. He quite clearly liked to tweak the beak and I kind of admired that. His own writing was extremely tedious stuff though. In the end, maybe Huxley and Hollingshead were right: the peons couldn't be trusted with LSD. > Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they > were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I > remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have > involved a silver helicopter covered in strobes and speakers- to make the > jailers think he was being carried off by a UFO, y'see.... obvious really, can't > imagine why the plan wasn't enacted. Amotivational syndrome through drug use? Certainly I can imagine this "plan" being hatched in a stoned bull session. I've read it somewhere too - maybe Chris Tait's book? > Fairly sure I heard DB say something about Leary just after they played > Orgone Accumulator in Brixton. However the Accumulator wasn't Leary's > idea, it was the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich (as Nik Turner correctly > announces at the start of Undisclosed Files), although Leary may well have > been an admirer of Reich- there were many parallels between them. FWIW > I think they were both eccentrics with fascinating but ultimately untenable > ideas. Course that doesn't justify the way they (Reich especially) were > persecuted. Yup. Ironic to flee Nazi Germany to the Land of the Free and end up dying in jail as a result of persecution by the Food and Drug Administration over a box in which ghe collected energy to fight off UFO attacks. For a "small government" country, the yanks sure seem to give their eccentric elements an extremely hard time (see Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the helicopter bombing of a house in Philadelphia for recent examples). I'm only amazed that Ralph Nader hasn't been cut down by a SWAT team and can only presume that even the BATF are scared of Jesse Ventura. > Nick Medford FoFP From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Nov 3 07:37:10 2000 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:37:10 -0500 Subject: how we got into hawkwind In-Reply-To: <001301c04580$a693ac00$8bcd223f@michaelangelo68> from "Michael Blackman" at Nov 03, 2000 08:57:20 PM Message-ID: I got into Hawkwind through Moorcock. Specifically, through the Time of the Hawklords. I'd had the book for years before I stumbled across a copy of, shoot, X ISOS, I think, in a used record store. Gave it a listen. Then more or less forgot about it for nearly ten years. Joined this list, for the BOC, and thought, "Hmm, all this talk about Hawkwind ... let me give it another listen." That did the trick, now I've got in the neighborhood of 80 CDs, and a few bits and pieces on vinyl that I couldn't find anywhere else. JB (Martin Guerre in NYC, Nov 9 - Dec 17, http://www.deptfordplayers.org) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 07:38:16 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:38:16 GMT Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: Melvyn Vincent's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:56:29 +0000 Message-ID: Melvyn Vincent writes: > Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less efficient at > dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old 'lightweights' such > as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half pints of Guiness. I figure it's just lack of the sort of practice we used to put in in our teens. Sometimes I can drink 10 pints of real ale and have no ill-efects next morning (and I'm over 40). Sometimes I haven't been drinking very much very consistently and a mere 5 pints will give me a bad hangover. Effects I've noticed are that chemical beers are more likely to cause hangovers than real ale; drinking water before and after drinking beer absolutely does prevent hangovers so long as the total amounts to half the volume of beer that you've drunk; eating a packet of sweets first thing is best, followed by a fatty carbohydrate food - this combination helps prevent nausea. I'm also on permanent antacids (zoton) so I can't speak for what normal mortals should do to prevent heartburn, though I'd hazard that a tagamet 90 minutes before sleep would be a sound plan unless contraindicated for interaction with other medicines. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 07:42:05 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:42:05 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:04:01 -0000 Message-ID: > > > > Never tried any drugs. > > > Yeah, I get high on Jesus! > > So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? > Yeh - but they lost two and it went down to ten!!!! As I understood things, the Twelve Step programme is usuall a cure for an addictive behaviour. Unfortunately it usually involves religious "Higher Power" stuff and so would seem to be ineffective as a cure for religion. Personally I found reading up on rationalist philosophy worked quite well (and seeing Life of Brian in the same year helped :-) but this may not be appropriate for everyone. Mike "Don't try this at home" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 07:44:48 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:44:48 GMT Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:34:36 +0000 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > >What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before > >consuming alcholic drink, > >the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an > >enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic > >drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. > > !! > > Forgive me but... no way can you "produce an enzyme" in this way! And > alcohol doesn't contain antibodies, antibodies are 'good guys' produced by > your own immune system to fight infection, help heal wounds etc. > > It (the ibuprofen) may give the liver a "kick-start", i.e. make the liver's > natural enzymes work more effectively, thus you will get the alcohol out of > your system quicker. That may be how it works, but a major reason why polydrug use is bad for folks is that it overloads the liver and makes damage that much more likely. I'd certainly be very careful about mixing ibuprofen and alcohol on a consistent basis - liver failure is pretty serious shit. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 07:59:34 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:59:34 GMT Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:44:38 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard > caffeine, etc.) > > I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty > depressive experience for me.) > > But I've always wanted to. > > But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've > got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing > (at least judging by my collector instincts). > > Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay > away from? good environment for a first trip? I've seen a study of personality types versus drug usage. The most interesting result was that people who got addicted to drugs correlated much more in type with the people who said they'd never touch drugs than with the folks who used drugs without any addictive pattern. Tentative concusions were that people who firmly abstained might have some insight that they were more likely to become addictive users than occasional users (as always, more research needed but not funded). However, that's enough to indicate that listening to your own intuition might be more sensible than trying 'em just for the sake of having done so. Your mileage may of course vary. Like skiing, rugby, or formula one racing, it's an individual risk/reward calculation. What you've already concluded about yourself might well skew the risk end of your own personal balance. > (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs > stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work > before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) LSD and opiates: hours or a few days at worst. Cannabis: six weeks to a couple of months detectable in urine - six months detectable in hair clippings (longer for longer hair). LSD and cannabis may microrelease later from body fats, though probably not to detectable levels. Dunno about the rest, but the alt.drugs FAQ on the web is considered a good source for questions like this. I'd also consider the morality of submitting to drug testing. While it may be convenient for any one person, it encourages this kind of intrusive authoritarianism every time anyone acquiesces. > Arin FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 08:02:07 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:02:07 GMT Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:52:29 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > > (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs > > stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work > > before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) > Good point, be sure to omit "BOC-L Archives" from your references on any > future resumes.... Not that it'd matter if things get as weird as some yank authorities would like. All these admissions will have been duly stored on Echelon disks whether or not they get archived on BOC-L. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 08:08:31 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:08:31 GMT Subject: Bedouin date alteration In-Reply-To: Neil Ward's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:14:59 -0000 Message-ID: Neil Ward writes: > The Bedouin gig tonight in Chester was cancelled due to adverse weather = > conditions (flooding of course!) and has been re-scheduled for November = > 23rd (day before Boston gig). Ha. I'm sure Hawkwind wouldn't cancel for mere floods and I can suggest a set: Dying Seas Bay of Bengal Brainstorm City of Lagoons Elements Gimme Shelter The Island Lighthouse The Sea King Ship of Dreams Tides Wave Upon Wave and the encore: Going To Hawaii From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Nov 3 08:07:56 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:07:56 +0100 Subject: HW: QS&C inner sleeve (was: how we got into hawkwind) In-Reply-To: <007f01c0450a$ec1a25e0$5460883e@dj-gypo> Message-ID: Hi, >Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem to remember >that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? One side of the inner sleeve has the lyrics printed on it, the other one contains a message from Hawkwind explaining the line-up change from the last year. But none of it is in red, at least not on the inner sleeve I have (which is b/w only). >If someone with the original vinyl version could enlighten me on this and >maybe scan it in for me and email it I would be very happy. I don't own a scanner, but I'll ask a friend to do it. (c)IAO D'also Moorcock->HW'+R From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 08:11:00 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:11:00 GMT Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Beers vary across the spectrum, but don't think that because a beer is > "light" doesn't make it better... anecdotal evidence suggests that Stella is > one of the worst culprits for inducing headaches... my own experience in > Belgium was that even very large quantities of Hoegaarden caused me > relatively little ill-effect (surprising, given the complexity of that > beer). I had a couple of gallons of Hoegaarden one night and even hospital laxatives didn't come close to the effect next day. No headache though. FoFP From bart at ENGAGE.NU Fri Nov 3 08:47:00 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:47:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: <200011031311.NAA27220@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I had a couple of gallons of Hoegaarden one night and even hospital > laxatives didn't come close to the effect next day. No headache > though. that's exactly the reason i do not drink Hoegaarden ;-). I don't like spending half a day on the loo...nor do i like headaches Bart NP Bob Marley burnin' and lootin' From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Nov 3 08:53:31 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:53:31 -0000 Subject: HW: inner sleeve - QS & C - Weird 105 Message-ID: If I recall rightly, the message on the inner sleeve, was something along the lines of Paul Rudaolph, Alan Powell and Nik Turner being sacked for trying to bring a "funky" edge to the band (God forbid!). Also mentioned that Adrian Shaw was recruited on bass, "Our old friend from Magic Muscle", to complete the line-up. The ending comment was something along the lines of the Mothership being back on course. There was a radio advert for the LP in the States, which used the same theme of "Being back on course", with "Spirit of the Age" as backing music. In fact, that same radio ad was on the original version of the Weird 105 cassette, only to be promptly dropped on the re-issue Weird 105 cassette. If anybody else called Gerry and Geoff Hocking at Wolden Lodge studios, even up until about a year ago or so, if you asked specifically for the ORIGINAL 105, you could still get it. I haven't yet got around to ordering the re-issue Weird CDs but my old mate John Chase tells me that the radio ad has made it onto the 105 CD ! YESSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best wishes to all, and especially to Dave B. and all the Hawks involved at Brixton! Guy T -----Original Message----- From: Denis Regenbrecht [mailto:denis at D-RIDER.DE] Sent: 03 November 2000 13:08 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: QS&C inner sleeve (was: how we got into hawkwind) Hi, >Has anyone got the original release of quark on charisma I seem to remember >that the inner sleeve had writing on it in red? Lyrics maybe? One side of the inner sleeve has the lyrics printed on it, the other one contains a message from Hawkwind explaining the line-up change from the last year. But none of it is in red, at least not on the inner sleeve I have (which is b/w only). >If someone with the original vinyl version could enlighten me on this and >maybe scan it in for me and email it I would be very happy. I don't own a scanner, but I'll ask a friend to do it. (c)IAO D'also Moorcock->HW'+R From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 09:20:29 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:20:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: > >That may be how it works, but a major reason why polydrug use is bad for >folks is that it overloads the liver and makes damage that much more >likely. I'd certainly be very careful about mixing ibuprofen and alcohol >on a consistent basis - liver failure is pretty serious shit. Absolutely, I wouldn't recommend regular ibuprofen (ab)use to anyone , certainly not for hangover prevention anyway! (rheumatoid arthritis would be a different matter!) Anyone tempted to try this out should be aware that regular use of this drug can (note can, not will) cause serious gastric haemorrhage, not to mention liver and kidney failure. I also agree with John M that the effect is more likely to be psychososmatic than anything else, although there may be some enzyme induction as we both said. OK- getting back to drugs and Hawkwind- what the hell is Valium 10 about?! I mean I know what the drug is but what do the lyrics mean? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 3 09:39:07 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:39:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: Doug mentioned casually... >Anyone else gotten your boc-l tape swap cassettes yet? I've enjoyed the >one I received (but will listen to it once or twice more before posting) ... Hey! I've been waiting to receive instructions on where to send my CD-R! I saw a mention of it forthcoming around the time of Brixton, but I haven't been told where to send mine. I think it was 'Bart' (aka Tim?) who was coordinating this time? I'm sure I sent in my information to be included. Send me a personal email please if I've been overlooked, or if I accidentally deleted something important (which is entirely possible with the boc-l volume these days). Grakkl (FAA) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 10:02:36 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:02:36 +0800 Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? Message-ID: > This is an interesting topic you have brought up. I think it's evident to > anyone familiar with Hawkwind that they are considered by many to be a "drug > band" whatever that means....but certainly most fans I've run into have been > potheads at the least, and most were interested in consuming other > substances as well. For myself, I've never used any drug, nor have I ever > been drunk, nor do I smoke. I just never saw the point as far as I was > concerned... I like Hawkwind just fine without chemically altering myself. > I'm also semi-vegetarian (I mean to say that I have a reduced meat diet... I > rarely if ever eat it), and I'm gay. So I don't imagine I fit most of the > stereotypes of the typical Hawkwind fan. > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > > With myself, & many of the friends I have who, like myself, do not have any interests in any drugs stronger than tea, we found ourselves attracted to the band more for their science fiction elements, as opposed to the drug links. I also have had an interest in their particular style of music since I was a very, very young kid, when I heard the music to British childrens TV shows of the early 60's, such as Doctor Who & Space Patrol (the British puppet show, not the American series. Now there is a really wierd soundtrack!). William > > I watched the last couple of songs @ Hawkestra,Brixton from the circle. > > At the end,as everyone started leaving their seats,a guy stumbled into me > > from behind looking in a bad way..... > > "Are you OK mate?",I asked > > " Ugh...errrrr.....Have you got any dope?" he asked. To which I > replied........ > > "No mate.....I'm not into that". > > "Then what the f**k are you doing here!",he replied > > "I've never needed it", I said > > "Ahhhh...f**king bollocks!",was the response. > > > > Now.......some questions for all you Hawksters out there. > > I've been following HW since 1972.......and......(this is the truth)....I > > have never taken drugs ( ie Dope,LSD,etc). > > In fact the most lethal concoction I used to consume prior to a HW gig in > > my late teens was a few pints of Whitbread Trophy........( Now beat that > > for pure shit!!!!!) > > Am I mad? Is it really possible to enjoy HW without the aid of mind > > altering drugs? > > Are there any other fans out there that 'get off' on HW without getting > > 'stoned'? > > Or........am I the odd one out? All my mates at college use to say to me > > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'. > > I didn't agree then and at 43 yrs old now I still don't agree. > > > > Are there any other 'non druggies' out there that are into HW? > > Or am I alone? > > > > Mel > > > From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 3 10:05:30 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:05:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Arin Komins wrote: > Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay > away from? good environment for a first trip? > Stick away from paracetomol as much as possible. No, I'm serious - paracetomol taken without pain is extremely addictive and very bad for you. Other than that, having seen children who'd normally be on valium react the same way to pink smarties, I'm sticking to the chocolate... Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Queens of the Stone Age - Rated R From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 10:26:55 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:26:55 +0800 Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind Message-ID: > No Drugs & Hawkwind: how boring! > Hawkwind should not be boring. You don't need to take drugs to enjoy them! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 10:42:04 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:42:04 +0800 Subject: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I can't quite remember when it was, but it was around the time the Roadhawks LP was released in Australia? I had been listening to other music, such as Deep Purple, Tangerine Dream & Pink Floyd around this time, & wanted to hear some more music about SF which used a mixture of electronic music & hard rock. Then, late one night, on a radio station, they played a live track recorded in Glasgow by a band called Hawkwind, and that was it. The next day I bought Roadhawks & Space Ritual, then a few days later Warrior on the Edge of Time. The only opportunity I have had to see them was when I was in the UK in May, 1989. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > Heard there was this really cool band called Hawkwind playing in bristol in > Novemebr 79, had heard nothing by them, we had gottenn bored of 999, > stanglers,pistols etc and wanted something different. > > Bought the ticket and been flying ever since !!!!! Hawkestra was my 27th time > of seeing the band ( not that I'm counting ). > > Love & peace > Iain > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 10:44:57 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:44:57 +0800 Subject: OFF: Drink n Drugs Message-ID: > Drugs - Tried Hawks straight and not-straight, it's a > question of personal choice in my opinion - but I'd > disagree with anyone who says you NEED to be > out of your face to enjoy the music. > The only sort of music you need to be off your face to enjoy would be those multitude of 'boy bands' that exist! Then again, it may even be worse? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 11:03:58 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:03:58 +0800 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: > > I am reminded of what a number of the animation artists that worked on the > > Disney epic 'Fantasia' said on a TV documentary a while ago. Many outsiders > > considered that they must have used LSD at some point in the creative/ideas > > process in order to conceive some of the complex evolving imagery used in > > Fantasia. However...they maintained that this was simply not the case and > > that they'd simply trained their minds to think/imagine a certain way in > > developing the visual ideas. Myself & another friend recorded a demo album of various material. We were invited on radio to discuss the tape & play tracks from it. They assumed we must have been stoned out of our minds in order to record it (musically it was inspired by HW, Can, Faust, etc..). They couldn't believe that all we had was the occasional cup of tea & peanut butter sandwich? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 3 11:11:24 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:11:24 +0800 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: > >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that > >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? > > I assume that would be a cold Xmas turkey? William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 11:21:32 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:21:32 GMT Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: Nick Medford's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: Nick Medford writes: > OK- getting back to drugs and Hawkwind- what the hell is Valium 10 about?! > I mean I know what the drug is but what do the lyrics mean? >From that start of the song, I'd assumed that some dentist gave valium before drill treatment. I can't help with the lyrics. What are they? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 11:23:49 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:23:49 GMT Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:02:36 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > With myself, & many of the friends I have who, like myself, do not have any > interests in any drugs stronger than tea Tea ha! Even Anne Widdicome would have to admit that in the UK, 99% of heroin addicts start out on tea. It's a gateway drug if anything is. , we found ourselves attracted to > the band more for their science fiction elements, as opposed to the drug > links. I also have had an interest in their particular style of music since > I was a very, very young kid, when I heard the music to British childrens TV > shows of the early 60's, such as Doctor Who & Space Patrol (the British > puppet show, not the American series. Now there is a really wierd > soundtrack!). Time for a Hawkwind tribute to Larry Dart.... > William FoFP From bart at ENGAGE.NU Fri Nov 3 11:31:25 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:31:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Hi, when all (non) vegetarian, drug (free) and/or alcohol using sometimes booz abusing and never ever thinking about listening music without lsd or sniffin glue fellows have a computer at home / work doing nothing more but writin emails about previuos subjects please consider using some spare cpu time to join seti and of course the boc/hw maillistgroup to be found at: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_23645.html thnx, --BArt NP Sonic Youth Little trouble girl From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 11:28:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:28:28 GMT Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Kirsten Procter's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: Kirsten Procter writes: > Other than that, having seen children who'd normally be on valium react > the same way to pink smarties, I'm sticking to the chocolate... Interestingly, recent research indicates that the major binding site of THC (the main psychoactive constituent in cannabis) is also the major binding site for the drug in chocolate. The reason some people can't stop eating chocolate is that like cannabis, it gives them the munchies. More interesting chocolate research: the drug is also related to an addictive substance excreted from skin and absorbed by mucus membranes during kissing and sex. Another place a related drug is found is rose petals. I suspect that this means that when someone gives you roses and chocolate, it's supposed to make you addicted and want to have sex with them. > Kirsten FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 11:31:03 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:31:03 GMT Subject: HW: Cold Turkey In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:11:24 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that > > >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? > > > > > I assume that would be a cold Xmas turkey? Unless cooked. At Fahrenheit 451 of course. FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 3 11:33:48 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:33:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Here are the stats for those of you with email only access... Description Members of the Blue Oyster Cult/Hawkwind mailinglist Members 13 Results received 4172 Total CPU time 9.50 years Founder Gekke Henkie (Bart Brugmans) Top Members: Name (and URL) Results received Total CPU time Average CPU time per work unit 1) The Master 709 1.84 years 22 hr 47 min 38.1 sec 2) Dave Greenhalgh 703 1.47 years 18 hr 16 min 27.1 sec 3) Rich-l 676 1.14 years 14 hr 47 min 12.7 sec 4) hogard 661 1.73 years 22 hr 56 min 00.7 sec 5) Eric Siegerman 330 2540 hr 49 min 7 hr 41 min 58.0 sec 6) Gekke Henkie (Bart Brugmans) 323 4421 hr 03 min 13 hr 41 min 15.0 sec 7) corwyn12182 303 6662 hr 50 min 21 hr 59 min 22.5 sec 8) Randy 213 5960 hr 16 min 27 hr 58 min 57.0 sec 9) senator 134 2299 hr 02 min 17 hr 09 min 25.4 sec 10) Mark 93 4785 hr 50 min 51 hr 27 min 38.1 sec 11) Bitsko 23 2066 hr 32 min 89 hr 50 min 59.2 sec 12) Ken Boorman 3 178 hr 11 min 59 hr 23 min 47.2 sec 13) Soniqu? 1 74 hr 27 min 74 hr 27 min 23.2 sec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Brugmans" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: OFF: seti at home > Hi, > > when all (non) vegetarian, drug (free) and/or alcohol using sometimes > booz abusing and never ever thinking about listening music without > lsd or sniffin glue fellows have a computer at home / work doing > nothing more but writin emails about previuos subjects please > consider using some spare cpu time to join seti and of course the > boc/hw maillistgroup to be found at: > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_23645.html > > thnx, > > --BArt > > NP Sonic Youth Little trouble girl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 12:52:02 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:52:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Bart Brugmans wrote: > Hi, > > when all (non) vegetarian, drug (free) and/or alcohol using sometimes > booz abusing and never ever thinking about listening music without > lsd or sniffin glue fellows have a computer at home / work doing > nothing more but writin emails about previuos subjects please > consider using some spare cpu time to join seti and of course the > boc/hw maillistgroup to be found at: > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_23645.html I've got a group going at: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_88683.html Average CPU time per work unit: 3 hr 26 min 46.0 sec!!!! That's *real* computers for ya!! Keef -- Thing Do-er Phone:0207 973 4000 Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 12:55:09 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:55:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:21:32 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Nick Medford writes: > >> OK- getting back to drugs and Hawkwind- what the hell is Valium 10 about?! >> I mean I know what the drug is but what do the lyrics mean? > >>From that start of the song, I'd assumed that some dentist gave valium >before drill treatment. I can't help with the lyrics. What are they? > >FoFP Something like: When you come to think of it When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout When I got my Valium out (repeated over and over with minor variations) I presume the full lyrics will be in the lyric database on www.hawkwind.org.uk Sounds vaguely kinky (Kiss Of the Velvet Whip anyone?) but really I have no idea. From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Nov 3 13:30:49 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:30:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: I thought Valium 10 was just another one of the "chanting" songs where HW makes up some syllables that sort of transform to other words and syllables. John Majka > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:21:32 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > >Nick Medford writes: > > > >> OK- getting back to drugs and Hawkwind- what the hell is Valium 10 > about?! > >> I mean I know what the drug is but what do the lyrics mean? > > > >From that start of the song, I'd assumed that some dentist gave valium > >before drill treatment. I can't help with the lyrics. What are they? > > > >FoFP > > Something like: > > When you come to think of it > When you start to think of it > She began to moan and shout > When I got my Valium out > > (repeated over and over with minor variations) > > I presume the full lyrics will be in the lyric database on > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > Sounds vaguely kinky (Kiss Of the Velvet Whip anyone?) but really I have no > idea. > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 3 16:29:16 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:29:16 -0600 Subject: any objections? In-Reply-To: <001e01c04550$af404960$4cd0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: :Subject: any objections? : :Hi all : :does anyone, that was at the beehive 21/10/200, have any objections :to possibly having their photos on my little hawkwind web site? : :Thanks! : Michael, I've no objections.... Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 3 16:30:08 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:30:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: <01fd01c04549$60879000$8700e03f@m8v3c0> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Dan Witt wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: drugs : :> :> (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs :> stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work :> before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) :> :> Arin : : :Don't know about that, but, the archives of this list are available to :anyone on the web, and probably will be for some time to come. I'm sure :most of you don't mind it, but the world is free to read about your drug use :at any time. However, not that anybody would ever use it against you. Yes, but I never mentioned that I was *doing* anything. Just that I was thinking about it. Plausible deniability ;-) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 3 16:34:02 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:34:02 -0600 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001102180020.0099f8b0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind : [snip] :Anyone else gotten your boc-l tape swap cassettes yet? I've enjoyed the :one I received (but will listen to it once or twice more before posting) ... Just got mine yesterday (Thanks Brian H.) Haven't listened to it yet. Still need to make mine up for Keith. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 3 16:40:18 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:40:18 -0600 Subject: any objections? Message-ID: No problem. Just have yet to get them developed and scanned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arin Komins" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: Re: any objections? > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: > > :Subject: any objections? > : > :Hi all > : > :does anyone, that was at the beehive 21/10/200, have any objections > :to possibly having their photos on my little hawkwind web site? > : > :Thanks! > : > > Michael, > > I've no objections.... > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 16:53:15 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:53:15 -0000 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > > Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain > criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought (by some, > probably not all, archaeologists) to be records of visual hallucinations > experienced in shamanic trance states. Very similar hallucinatory patterns > are reported by old folk who's visual cortex is degenerating. Of course this > doesn't prove that the cave paintings represent hallucinations but it's an > interesting idea. Further of interest along these lines - if you look at the beaker pottery of the "bronze age" i.e. about 2,500BC - 2,000BC it is patterened with an intensity of stripey triangle shapes and zig zag designs. Doesn't prove anything at all of course but the beaker pots are considered to have probably contained some form of alcoholic beverage and are often found along with burials. jill From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 16:50:44 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:50:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Cold Turkey Message-ID: what? - even when you cook the thing? -doesn't all that chemaical stuff just disappear? you mean instead of a bedtime story I should be consuning vast amounts of turkey to fall asleep? wonder what'd happen to Holmes if he'd done the Hawkwind gig and had a turkey dinner - he' d still be asleep now!!!!!! Andy Garibaldi (seriously dounting the sanity of some people on this list right now - but, hey, this is fun!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: Cold Turkey > On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500, Rik Rx wrote: > >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to point out that > >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? > > > >......................(leaves quietly) > > Actually, this is serious (well, not THAT serious)! Turkey is an excellent > source of Tryptophan (as are, I believe, bananas), an amino acid that has > several neurological effects including stimulation of seretonin (a > neurotransmitter) production in the brain. And one of the neurological > effects of LSD is to *reduce* seretonin levels in the brain (part of the > reason why it's difficult to sleep under the influence of that substance - > and why, for the opposite reason, you get sleepy after eating one of those > big turkey dinners!). > > So be careful not to blow your trip forever if you're attending holiday > dinners ... (people on-list who actually know something about neuroscience > please feel free to clarify/correct anything I've written) ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:00:59 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:00:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: radio Message-ID: I made a career out of this and the thing that still surprises the hell out of me, particularly with American prog-rock bands, is that despite your letter, despite the fact that you show them your web site, despite the fact that you show them your review in detail and that it leads to sales of the album not only through CDS but also no doubt halfway round the world (one of the penalties for doing it the way we do it), the bands ignore the crap out of you and still think you are some skullduggerous person just trying to score a free CD. Major labels are even worse - you could have the most rubbish of magazines that comes out once every two years, but send a copy to them and call yourself a journalist and you get showered with CD's (I know - no names mentioned), whereas as a leading specialist retailer you can send them all the lists and catalogues you've got and they still tell you to stuff yourself if you ask for promos - christ - it's to their benefit as well. Andy Garibaldi (on one of those famous 'don't get me started' trips) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF: radio > When I did community college radio (KFJC 89.7 in the Bay Area), I spent a > *lot* of time writing letters to small, obscure labels who put out the kind > of music I was interested in. Some wouldn't do promo at all, or only on > certain items (I'm pretty sure that every F/i record in the station library > was paid for by the station), but.... From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:09:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:09:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: hey - bet Brock's loving this!!!!!!!! Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "flossbac" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! > > I loved that bit of info from Doug Pearson about the 'Turkey Effect'. Xmas > > dinner will never seem quite the same again! > > > > Now.....how many of you out there remember as a teenager, being able to go > > out and consume a sufficient excess of alchohol......sleep it off.....and > > wake up feeling fine (albeit a bit dehydrated) and well enough to go to > > school or college? > > > > The as time rolls on into your 20's (when I got my first REAL > > hangover)....then into the 30's and you go out and drink moderately > without > > getting plastered and you wake up the following morning feeling worse > than > > shite itself. And the problem gets worse with age. > > > > Well .....there is a preventative answer.......which does not involve > > drinking pints of milk to line the stomach or consuming vast quantities of > > water at the end of your night out. > > > > Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing exactly what > all > > the doctors and nurses do before they go on their ritualistic binge after > a > > hard weeks shift...... > > Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie Neurofen in the UK) > > (*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) > > It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as > > directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! > > > > I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does work...........BUT > > HOW???? > > > > I met up with a consultant from Guys Hospital in London some time ago, and > > asked him about this just to find out if he could authenticate this > > preventative remedy. > > He was well familiar with this pre-hangover treatment and went on to > > explain exactly how it works. > > It is nothing to do with 'killing the pain in advance'. > > What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before > > consuming alcholic drink, > > the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an > > enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic > > drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. > > It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for us as > teenagers > > when we went out drinking. > > Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less efficient at > > dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old 'lightweights' such > > as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half pints of > Guiness. > > > > Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN > > AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE > > TAKEN WITH FOOD ! > > > > NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any other > painkiller > > bought over the counter! ) > > Mel > > > OK as regards alcohol and hangovers... the cause of the yucky feelings in a > hangover is dehydration of the central nervous system. The best way to > avoid a hangover has been and always will be to drink lots of water (not > more alcohol, and not caffeine-containing substances, as both of these are > dehydrating). So drink lots of water before, during, and after your > drinking binge and you should feel a lot better. > > As regards ibuprofen... I can't see any reason why it would be an effective > preventative for a hangover. It MIGHT be possible that ibuprofen has a > small inducer effect on liver enzymes, which could speed the metabolism of > alcohol, but the effect is probably negligible, as it is pretty well known > which drugs and which drug classes are inducers and inhibitors of the P450 > system of liver enzymes (the ones that generally metabolize drugs etc. in > the body), and ibuprofen is neither an inducer or inhibitor according the > research. As for the proposed hypothesis about antibodies in alcohol etc... > that's just a garbled mess of misinformation. Antibodies are produced by > the immune system in response to foreign invaders. Alcohol doesn't have > antibodies. My personal opinion is that if there is any effect from > ibuprofen to prevent hangovers, I think it is all psychosomatic. > > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:13:20 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:13:20 -0000 Subject: drugs Message-ID: now who's smokin' something????? Andy G'b (with tongue firmly in cheek) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Sommers" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:19 AM Subject: Re: drugs > A suggestion is, to quote Harvey Bainbridge, "Brain Food. And what is Brain > Food? It's what grows naturally...You can eat it, you can smoke it, you can > roll around in it..." > Environment? How about this: comfortably at home, Disney's Fantasia showing > on the video, with "X In Search Of Space" providing the soundtrack. I've > tried it. Forget the Wizard of Oz and "Dark Side of the Moon;" this is a > much better combination! > > Kevin Sommers > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Arin Komins > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:45 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: drugs > > > So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard > caffeine, etc.) > > I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty > depressive experience for me.) > > But I've always wanted to. > > But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've > got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing > (at least judging by my collector instincts). > > Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay > away from? good environment for a first trip? > > ... > > Arin From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:23:56 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:23:56 -0000 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: has everyone got the legendary Tim Leary and Ash Ra Tempel supersession album 'Seven Up' - now there's a drugged up session for you - I've got a load of stuff on the making of that album somewhere in the archives. Still a weird album to this day..... Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:34 PM Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > > Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they > were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I > remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have > > > My wife wrote to Tim Leary when he was in jail and he wrote a really nice > letter back to her. (she still has it) Sounds like a really interesting > character. > > ( I say 'sounds' in the present tense because I don't believe in the > finality of > 'Death' - ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Medford > To: > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > > > > In message <200011021630.QAA03040 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > > writes > > > > > >What's intriguing is that there do seem to be certain hallucinatory > > >images which are consistent across cultures and are even independent of > > >the means used to induce the state (priests used to whip themselves and > > >then wear hairshirts in order to make the wounds go septic; Jesus > > >starved himself; others avoided sleep - it just makes you so proud > > >science has made it as easy as taking a pill :-) > > > > > >Leary was probably onto something when he said that it indicated > > >something about basic neuronal wiring, but boy did he ever run with that > > >ball. > > > > > > > > >FoFP > > > > Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric shamans: certain > > criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought (by some, > > probably not all, archaeologists) to be records of visual hallucinations > > experienced in shamanic trance states. Very similar hallucinatory patterns > > are reported by old folk who's visual cortex is degenerating. Of course > this > > doesn't prove that the cave paintings represent hallucinations but it's an > > interesting idea. > > > > Leary: agreed, he stretched a little inspiration an awfully long way. > > > > Speaking of Leary: I believe the Hawks met some of his 'people' while they > > were on a US tour in the 70s, at the time he was languishing in jail. I > > remember reading about a mad scheme to free him which would have > > involved a silver helicopter covered in strobes and speakers- to make the > > jailers think he was being carried off by a UFO, y'see.... obvious really, > can't > > imagine why the plan wasn't enacted. Anyway the music emanating from > > the speakers was to be none other than Hawkwind. Think this story was in > > the "Do Not Panic" book which I sadly lost after lending it to the wrong > > person (i.e. someone I never saw again). > > > > Fairly sure I heard DB say something about Leary just after they played > > Orgone Accumulator in Brixton. However the Accumulator wasn't Leary's > > idea, it was the brainchild of Wilhelm Reich (as Nik Turner correctly > > announces at the start of Undisclosed Files), although Leary may well have > > been an admirer of Reich- there were many parallels between them. FWIW > > I think they were both eccentrics with fascinating but ultimately > untenable > > ideas. Course that doesn't justify the way they (Reich especially) were > > persecuted. > > -- > > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:25:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:25:39 -0000 Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Am I the only one on here who's never found the urge to read a Moorcock book in his life? Oh well..... Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: how we got into hawkwind > I got into Michael Moorcock books after discovering Hawkwind > > Mb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Crook > To: > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind > > > > Its interesting how many people became HW fans through Moorcock books. I > first heard about HW in a very differnt kind of book. It was a serious book > on astronomy by Ian Ridpath (now a top British astronomy author)called > 'WORLDS BEYOND' from about '75. He devoted several lines to them which > seemed out of place in that kind of book, but if its intention was to turn > people on to HW it worked with at least one, I checked them out soon after > reading it (RoadHawks) and was instantly hooked. I still have the book, its > one of my most treasured posessions. > > > > Mick > > > > > > > In article , Joe Loehr > > >writes > > > And I should say thanks to M. Moorcock 'cause if I wasn't > > > reading his books > > > I would never knew about Hawkwind. > > > > > > > > > Me, too. > > > > >been hooked ever since. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > >Me three, only it was the Corum books, oh 23 years ago now... > > >-- > > >Jon > > > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > > > -------------------- > > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at > http://www.talk21.com > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:33:42 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:33:42 -0000 Subject: HW /support Message-ID: this lot are a seriously excellent band - see my review in the new CD Services catalogue - support them where you can - I'm sure both Richard and myself will be stocking the album as long as they are around. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stockwell" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: Re: BOC Friday > > The New Zealand band Serotonin are now based in London and are looking to > start gigging. They were supposed to be the support slot for Hawkwind when > the band were in NZ but the Palmerston North gig (where Serotonin come from) > didn't happen so the band missed out. Richard Aleen at delerium records > described their "Cluster" Cd as a "laid back Hawkwind". I've got a contact > number in London if you need it. > > Richard > Cranium Music From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:41:14 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:41:14 -0000 Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: I'd love to hear that....... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > > > I am reminded of what a number of the animation artists that worked on > the > > > Disney epic 'Fantasia' said on a TV documentary a while ago. Many > outsiders > > > considered that they must have used LSD at some point in the > creative/ideas > > > process in order to conceive some of the complex evolving imagery used > in > > > Fantasia. However...they maintained that this was simply not the case > and > > > that they'd simply trained their minds to think/imagine a certain way in > > > developing the visual ideas. > > Myself & another friend recorded a demo album of various material. We were > invited on radio to discuss the tape & play tracks from it. They assumed we > must have been stoned out of our minds in order to record it (musically it > was inspired by HW, Can, Faust, etc..). They couldn't believe that all we > had was the occasional cup of tea & peanut butter sandwich? > > William From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:30:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:30:39 -0000 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: no no no - I am the one with the morbid fascination for support bands - it's amazing what you can find out there - or at least it was in the '70's and '80's!!!!. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: Re: BOC Friday > In message nz>, Richard Stockwell writes > >> Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any > >good,let me know, please. > > > >The New Zealand band Serotonin > > Serotonin?! Sudden and unexpected synergy between this thread and the > one about cold turkey! > > What's the best/worst support band people have seen at a Hawk gig? My > vote for worst would be the appalling Dr and The Medics, Acid Daze > festival, Finsbury park '87. Can't think of the best offhand! > -- > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 3 17:40:33 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:40:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: Drink n Drugs Message-ID: yeh - you could be stuck in a room with just a copy of Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' for company - and sober!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:44 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Drink n Drugs > > Drugs - Tried Hawks straight and not-straight, it's a > > question of personal choice in my opinion - but I'd > > disagree with anyone who says you NEED to be > > out of your face to enjoy the music. > > > The only sort of music you need to be off your face to enjoy would be those > multitude of 'boy bands' that exist! Then again, it may even be worse? > > William From hw at CY-B.ORG Fri Nov 3 17:38:31 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:38:31 -0500 Subject: HW: UPDATES ! Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS Only 3 weeks left to enter the HW Tee shirt Competition !! Send in your entries now to win backstage passes at xmas details on the Updates Page on Mission Control www.hawkwind.org.uk MESSAGE ENDS++ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 3 17:36:03 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:36:03 -0800 Subject: OFF: drugs Message-ID: Praise to Jah for "OFF". On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:59:34 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >I've seen a study of personality types versus drug usage. The most >interesting result was that people who got addicted to drugs correlated >much more in type with the people who said they'd never touch drugs than >with the folks who used drugs without any addictive pattern. Tentative >concusions were that people who firmly abstained might have some insight >that they were more likely to become addictive users than occasional >users (as always, more research needed but not funded). There are definitely some personalities that are more "addictive" than others. Like I said in a previous message, back in the 80s I knew a number of people who screwed themselves up REAL bad with cocaine addictions (reason why I don't wanna touch the stuff), but I also knew plenty of folks who'd paint their nose white every weekend until 4AM sunday and were completely functional and non-addicted otherwise. My belief is definitely that drugs *DO NOT* change peoples' personalities. They may heighten certain personality characteristics that already exist (laziness/apathy in pot smokers, locquaciousness in coke-heads/speedfreaks, mental instability in users of LSD or other psychedelics, etc.), but they don't create anything that was never there to begin with. I can think of at least one acquaintence with damn near a 2-pack-a-day cannabis habit who's one of the most un-mellow people I've ever known (although much of his taste in music is what you might expect from someone with that kind of habit). If anything, people tend to seek out (and use) the drug(s) that best represent their existing personality ... That being said, it's probably a very very good idea for anyone with a record of mental instability to avoid LSD and other psychedelics. Musicians like Syd Barret, Skip Spence, and Brian Wilson clearly lost it after too much psychedelic usage (and Wilson had definitely been subject to fits of depression and anxiety after having been abused as a child). Wheras, say, Jerry Garcia probably did far more acid than those three combined, but never lost his mind (and while I'm ranting, I'll mention that even though the guy was a Heroin addict for the last 20 years of his life, it was his DIET [basically nothing but ice cream, although that *is* one common symptom of heroin addiction] that caused his diabetic coma and probably eventually killed him; is it just me, or is the fact that "Cherry Garcia" is still on the supermarket shelves in REALLY REALLY BAD taste? Watch out folks! Once cigarettes and alcohol are outlawed, sugary desserts will be next!). And what about those Hawkwind guys? I believe that one or two of them might have had a psychedelic experience at some point in time ... ;^) >Arin Komins writes: >> (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs >> stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work >> before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) > >LSD and opiates: hours or a few days at worst. Cocaine, amphetamines, and most other psychedelics, too. >Cannabis: six weeks to a couple of months detectable in urine - six >months detectable in hair clippings (longer for longer hair). THC (the active ingredient in marijuana/cannabis) is *very* fat-soluble and sticks around for a while, but the 6-8+ weeks figure would be more for chronic/habitual users. A weekend partier would be likelier to have "clean" urine after only a couple weeks. >Dunno about the rest, but the alt.drugs FAQ on the >web is considered a good source for questions like this. (and probably a better place to discuss this, but it's too late now!) >I'd also consider the morality of submitting to drug testing. While it >may be convenient for any one person, it encourages this kind of >intrusive authoritarianism every time anyone acquiesces. I've thought about this quite a bit. Just the *concept* of having to piss in a jar as a job requirement sounds really messed up to me. Fortunately, I've never had to face that, but if it were the case, I'd be very tempted to withdraw my job application on principle. Of course, I'm sure that most of my past and present employers have realized that if they implemented mandatory testing and had to fire everyone who came out positive, they'd be losing most of their competent employees ... >Not that it'd matter if things get as weird as some yank authorities >would like. Yes, that's my Senator, Dianne Feinstein (damn! I should at least know how to spell her name!), who wants to make it illegal to DISCUSS controlled substances on the Internet. I find it frightening that her republican opponent is a much much better choice (although he won't be getting my vote for reasons I don't want to go into). Obviously under the influence of too much caffeine, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri Nov 3 18:16:28 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:16:28 -0500 Subject: Liquid Visions and my friend David Schmidt Message-ID: Hi everyone, today I received a package of great stuff from my friend Dave Schmidt in Berlin. David is the bass player from the german spacerock band "Liquid Visions"..We have played some shows together in Berlin and at the Hamburg Hawkfest, as well as a big "Liquid Sloterdijk" jam session which lasted 90 minutes at the old shrine club in Berlin.. David sent me some cool shots of Sloterdijk at the Hawkfest, and the last Berlin show im Dunckerclub, some of his personal solo recordings, and a nice poster from an LV show. I can't say enough good things about this band..Not only do they jam, but they are all really cool..We have forged a friendship, a collaboration, and hopefuly next summer ( leading up to SD2001 if it happens), a tour of the northeast/midatlantic region and a bit of midwest in July/August ( hey Paul we may make it from Columbus NJ, to Columbus Ohio!!). The LV set which I witnessed at the Hawkfest was for me, the best show I have ever seen by them, and you can read the review somewhere on the Aural Innovations website, if my memory is correct. NIk Turner joined them for a smashing version of Master of The Universe, a staple in their live sets.. Presently, I don't have the URL to their website, but you can find them through a link at: www.psychedelic-music.de peace, MIke http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 18:32:36 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:32:36 EST Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/00 5:38:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > Am I the only one on here who's never found the urge to read a Moorcock book > in his life? > Oh well..... > Andy G'b. > (shocked gasp of horror) BLASPHEMER! HERETIC! UNBELIEVER! Joe (getting the stake and kindling ready) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 18:33:41 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:33:41 EST Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/00 5:38:12 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << Am I the only one on here who's never found the urge to read a Moorcock book in his life? >> == that would make 2 of us, comrade. i handed mr. brock a comic book elric graphic novel once; nonetheless... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 18:35:38 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:35:38 EST Subject: No Lonesome Dope after all! Message-ID: In a message dated 11/3/00 5:38:13 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << Disney epic 'Fantasia' said on a TV documentary a while ago. Many > outsiders > > > considered that they must have used LSD at some point in the > creative/ideas > > > process in order to conceive some of the complex evolving imagery used > in > > > Fantasia. However...they maintained that this was simply not the case > and > > > that they'd simply trained their minds to think/imagine a certain way in > > > developing the visual ideas. > >> ==== 'Fantasia' was pre-acid, anyway...1940? From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 3 19:02:41 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:02:41 -0600 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In 1978, I was 17 living in Germany at the time. My older brother had one of those rooms with strobe lights, black light posters, incense, etc...and an excellent sound system - clean with 100 watt Cerwin Vega speakers. After smoking a few bowls of hash, he picked a song off of the Quark album - Spirit of the Age, and that was what grabbed me and ruined my life forever. It was as though the music was produced and designed for people smoking hash...at least that was my perception at the time, right or wrong. Listen to PXR5 full blast ferchrissake! Anyhow, we then listened to Space Ritual, and it was a quest for Anything That Has To Do With Hawkwind and related ever since. I own about 30 albums, and am working on the CD collection.... Don't smoke dope much anymore , but the music is still as powerfull today as it was then, and I look forward to anything new and hope to see them at the next show! From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 3 20:49:40 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:49:40 GMT Subject: Off: No Dope & Hawkwind???? Message-ID: We love you Big Brother..... opps that's Bowie... Addiction is a subjective thang. There are physically addicting drugs like the dreaded cocaine and heroin and everyone's fav. alcohol. Once addicted, one's body craves the drug and goes through withdrawal when it does not get it (in time). Then there's the "would be" psychologically addicting drugs like marijuana etc. Ones body does not crave it like w/ coke, but one's mind just may..... However, even w/ this type of drug there are withdrawal symptoms, such as loss of sleep or irritability etc. In America the drug of choice is alcohol. Over 70% of all Americans drink alcohol. Some even believe it's their God given right to get hammered whenever they want. Alcohol is socially acceptable. Smoking marijuana is not. Yet, alcohol abuse statistically causes more trouble in numerous ways than marijuana use. (American)society can be backwards. Cigarettes are the number 2 choice to alcohol, but not nearly as socially acceptable. Yet, the fallback rate for people that attempt to quit this very addicting drug called nicotine is greater than the fallback rate to those that attempt to kick heroin. Availability may also be a factor. Once again, (American)society can be backwards. Reefer Madness has Stole their souls Reefer Madness is Ground Control...... Darrin np: moe. 9/29/00 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 21:47:57 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:17:57 +1030 Subject: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind Message-ID: > > No Drugs & Hawkwind: how boring! > > > Hawkwind should not be boring. You don't need to take drugs to enjoy them! > > William Absolutly, I get plenty high just listening to the albums. You don't NEED the drugs to enjoy Hawkwind - especially if you have a creative imagination and you are into what Hawkwind is about. But at the same time I see nothing wrong with someone wanting to get a little high as long as it doesn't interfere with others enjoyment of the celebration and so long as it isn't hurting others in the process. (In any shape or form) So , now, where do I deposit my 2 cents in this thing ( 2p for you English chaps) ha ha :) Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind > > No Drugs & Hawkwind: how boring! > > > Hawkwind should not be boring. You don't need to take drugs to enjoy them! > > William From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 21:50:37 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:20:37 +1030 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Pardon? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:01 AM Subject: OFF: seti at home > Hi, > > when all (non) vegetarian, drug (free) and/or alcohol using sometimes > booz abusing and never ever thinking about listening music without > lsd or sniffin glue fellows have a computer at home / work doing > nothing more but writin emails about previuos subjects please > consider using some spare cpu time to join seti and of course the > boc/hw maillistgroup to be found at: > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_23645.html > > thnx, > > --BArt > > NP Sonic Youth Little trouble girl From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 21:55:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:25:50 +1030 Subject: any objections? Message-ID: Thanks Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: any objections? > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Michael Blackman wrote: > > :Subject: any objections? > : > :Hi all > : > :does anyone, that was at the beehive 21/10/200, have any objections > :to possibly having their photos on my little hawkwind web site? > : > :Thanks! > : > > Michael, > > I've no objections.... > > Arin > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu > Web Systems Administrator > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 3 22:00:55 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:30:55 +1030 Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: hee hee :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: how we got into hawkwind In a message dated 11/3/00 5:38:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: Am I the only one on here who's never found the urge to read a Moorcock book in his life? 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Message-ID: Set: This Aint the summer of love before the kiss Bucks Boogie Flaming Telepaths Take Me Away Cities on Flame Teen Archer Pocket Vigil Unknown Tongue Astronomy Godzilla Reaper ---encore: Burning for You ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And philosophy is wont, in fact, not infrequently, to convert itself into a kind of art of spiritual pimping.And sometimes into an opiate for lulling sorrows to sleep." - Unamuno, _Tragic Sense of Life_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Nov 4 09:05:32 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:05:32 +0100 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] wrote: > How does it compare sound wise to other MM albums? Can you > compare it to other discs? Soundwise it?s better than Superjudge but not as good as Powertrip. Some very good swooshy synth effects in full stereo can be heard though. Hope that helps. Andreas From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 4 09:31:25 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:31:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: Hi, All this talk of MM books has reminded me that my MM paperbook collection (approx 50) is up for grabs to anybody who will pay postage. I first got into HW in 75, but my first MM book was in 81 (probably due to Time Out Of Mind or maybe Sonic Attack). Anyway, I then bought a few Mayflower series books (mostly Corum) and then spent a lot of time in 2nd hand book shops looking for titles I'd not got or even buying ones purely for their different covers. Consequently I have lots of ones with covers that I have never since seen. I rarely read the same book twice and as they are all just stored in boxes in my loft I'm happy to part with them to anyone who wants them. 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Very horror and science fiction oriented. Nice rearrangement of set order. WOW! Richard Drooling in Tampa From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Nov 4 11:29:53 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:29:53 -0500 Subject: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001104014457.00697ab0@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: What a great show!! Couple of comments to add to Jason's thoughts. Every song was fairly long. They were in no rush last night. The new song Pocket is a Buck song for a first listening it sounds up to Buck's usual high standards. Eric let the AUDIENCE choose whether we wanted to hear Veterans of the Psychic Wars or Astronomy... We chose Astronomy. It was an audience of the faithful for the most part with some College kids thrown in... As usual Buck's boogie was very good. Allan played a lot of guitar... at least it seemed to me.. so Eric could do more keyboards... or maybe it was just cause I was s...... well you know.. Great meeting all the Listers who made the show. The opening band was called Dave Smith and Bad Karma.. Definitely BAD karma... avoid if you can. Well that about wraps it up for this life... have a good one.. now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Bolts of Ungodly Vision Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:45 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. Set: This Aint the summer of love before the kiss Bucks Boogie Flaming Telepaths Take Me Away Cities on Flame Teen Archer Pocket Vigil Unknown Tongue Astronomy Godzilla Reaper ---encore: Burning for You ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And philosophy is wont, in fact, not infrequently, to convert itself into a kind of art of spiritual pimping.And sometimes into an opiate for lulling sorrows to sleep." - Unamuno, _Tragic Sense of Life_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 4 11:55:43 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:55:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: Slightly (or maybe *very*) off topic, but mention of Time Out of Mind (the SF writers documentary series from the early 80s BBC TV) reminds me I was going to ask if anybody can remember whoelse other than Moorcock was profiled? I remember they did A C Clarke for the first show. Got a copy of the Moorcock edition a few months ago - are there other editions circulating? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:31 PM Subject: HW: Moorcock Hi, All this talk of MM books has reminded me that my MM paperbook collection (approx 50) is up for grabs to anybody who will pay postage. I first got into HW in 75, but my first MM book was in 81 (probably due to Time Out Of Mind or maybe Sonic Attack). Anyway, I then bought a few Mayflower series books (mostly Corum) and then spent a lot of time in 2nd hand book shops looking for titles I'd not got or even buying ones purely for their different covers. Consequently I have lots of ones with covers that I have never since seen. I rarely read the same book twice and as they are all just stored in boxes in my loft I'm happy to part with them to anyone who wants them. I've no idea if any have "rarity" value or even if a collector's market exists. E-mail me privately if you want a list of titles together with publishers. Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Nov 4 12:42:47 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:42:47 GMT Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: Ian wrote: > Slightly (or maybe *very*) off topic, but mention of Time Out of Mind (the SF writers documentary series from the early 80s BBC TV) reminds me I was going to ask if anybody can remember whoelse other than Moorcock was profiled? I remember they did A C Clarke for the first show. I think they did one on Anne McCaffrey (don't know if its spelt right) who wrote loads books with 'Dragon' in the title. Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 4 12:39:20 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:39:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! In-Reply-To: <006901c04533$005b3580$716040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: I could never drink large amounts. When I was a teenager I got horrendous headaches from my nights out, though that might have come from headbanging (what a stupid idea that was!). Anyway, here's a hangover cure I was recommended recently. I haven't tried it yet. Dave. N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC), an amino acid supplement sold in health food stores. AC is thought to work by boosting the body's ability to mop up destructive chemicals called free radicals which build up in the liver as enzymes break down ethanol. Free radicals are usually seen off by glutathione, but after heavy drinking reserves of this enzyme can run low. NAC helps because it is rich in cysteine, a sulphur-rich amino acid that forms the core of glutathione. Fuelled by supplies of cysteine, glutathione remains plentiful and detoxification goes on for longer. "NAC is like a 'pro-drug' that's converted into glutathione," says Carl Waltenbaugh, an alcohol researcher from Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago. NAC also gives a clue to the success of some age-old hangover cures, such as prairie oysters, omelettes and the English fried breakfast. They all contain eggs-which are also rich in cysteine. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sat Nov 4 14:16:08 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:16:08 -0800 Subject: OFF:VCS3 Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 01:04:39 +0900, David Greenhalgh wrote: >Anyone still interested in finding out about the VCS 3, check out November >Sound on Sound. It's on line at >http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/nov00/articles/retrozone.asp Not too useful, if you're not a Sound On Sound subscriber, unfortunately. However, a few net resources on the EMS VCS3 can be found at: http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/vcs3.html http://www.ems-synthi.demon.co.uk/emsprods.html http://www.code404.com/synths/index-text.html#EMS Note that Del Dettmar's is actually the Synthi A model (same guts, but contained in a suitcase instead of a wooden console), while the one used by Pink Floyd for "On The Run" would have been a Synthi AKS (same as Del's [minues the Axe], but with "K" for "Keyboard", and more importantly in that context, "S" for "Sequencer"). I'm pretty sure that Doug Walker's (Alien Planetscapes) is a VCS3, and I know that Grant Richter of F/i owns both a VCS3 and a Synthi. (a net search also turns up pages related to well-known VCS3 users such as Vince Clarke, Pink Floyd, Sonic Boom/E.A.R, Jean-Michel Jarre, Agitation Free, but, alas, no references to Axe controllers) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 4 14:21:52 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:21:52 GMT Subject: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: > > How does it compare sound wise to other MM albums? Can you > > compare it to other discs? > >Soundwise it?s better than Superjudge but not as good as Powertrip. Some >very >good swooshy synth effects in full stereo can be heard though. >Hope that helps. > >Andreas Ugh - I couldn't _disagree_ more. "Dopes to infinity" vs. "Powertrip" is just like "Secret Treaties" vs. "Agents of fortune". "Dopes" is one of THE albums for me, it just has everything. It starts off very heavy (the 1st song is prolly the heaviest on the album, and also the 2nd track, the Warhead). It gets trippier later, with longer guitar/synth jams, around the middle of the album. Then, at the end, my favorite part, "Dead Christmas", "King of Mars", "Theme from Masterburner", "Vertigo" - four quiet, slow, but still heavy songs ("Theme" is an instrumental). And that wierd coda in the end. Not to mention the lyrics - their best lyrics are on this album (especially I think "Blow 'em off" has great lyrics). "Powertrip" is a classic sellout album. Only the first song ("Crop circle") and the last one ("Your lies become you") could fit on any of their previous albums. The rest is IMO not as good, more pop-wise written songs. It's all "heavy metal", but more like a cross Metallica and Misfits, the songs are straightforward verse-chorus type of songs, with almost no jams at all. A better balance of the Misfits-like songs and their "classic" jammy songs would have been much better IMO. It's not a bad album overall, but certainly not as good as "Dopes". Otther albums: Superjudge - similar to "Dopes", but not as good, with slower songs and lots and lots of overlaying guitars. The only standout song is "Cage around the sun", I would say. If you liked "Dopes" you'll prolly like "Superjudge" as well. "Spine of God" - nothing but jams here. It's been more than a year since I listened to this one. Nowhere near as heavy as the later albums, but the jams don't really do the job either. Sorry, this one just isn't very good. I think there's another album i don't have. I think "Silver future" is a new song (seen it on Napster). If it is a song from the new album, it's a good sign - it's a great song, in the vein of "Dopes" (the song), a bit less jammy but still great. MM has also covered lots of older stuff, including Hawkwind (I think "Silver machine", "Urban guerilla" and another song I didn't know) and "Kick out the jams" - they regularly do KOTJ on their shows, and it's one of the highlights. If you're interested, this stuff is available on Napster (it's not on any official CD that I know of). Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Sat Nov 4 14:30:02 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:30:02 +1300 Subject: HW: Cranium Sale In-Reply-To: <20001104174305.CCNO13483.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: *SALE**SALE**SALE**SALE**SALE**SALE**SALE* We are running a SALE until the 20th November. Not only have we taken 15% off all titles but FREE POSTAGE will also apply during the course of the SALE. Prices in the catalogue have been adjusted down 15%. Please remember some titles may sell out quicker than we can make adjustments for on the website. Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 4 15:12:28 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:12:28 GMT Subject: drugs & related subjects Message-ID: Hi all, The drug-related threads make for very interesting read! I thought I'd just throw my 2c worth (and it's more like 1.5p btw): I NEVER got hangovers of ANY kind. most of my friends took years to start believing me (I'm 18). However, someone said here recently that they only started getting hangovers in their thirties - so looks like I have at least a decade of not worrying ahead of me. I'm not a 'heavy drinker' (yet =] ) but drinking is my favorite party activity. I've prettymuch tried the lot - including chewing tobacco, recently - but the heavy stuff really only does it for me. I've also tried all kinds of European beers, and Stella Artois is one of my favorites, both in quality and especially in price vs. quality, where it's IMO the best balance. As for wine, it's hard to say something definite, there's hundreds of brands. For me, _nothing_ beats a hard rock/heavy metal concert (preferably an outdoor show), whether I'm wasted or not. But being wasted also helps a lot, IMO. I've never seen Hawkwind live (only been listening to them a couple of months or so), so I don't know about them, but "Imaginos" or "Some Enchanted Evening" on a pot-party, that's nearly as good as it gets, for me, and most of my friends who are into that sort of music. Also possibly King Crimson - "Larks' tongues". I seriously doubt I/we'd (huh,huh, weed) have as much fun if I/we staid straight on parties. And if it's psychosomatic, well, so what? Apart from E (which I didn't like) and acid a couple of times, I have little experience with stronger drugs. But one never knows what tommorow might bring. I don't worry much about addiction, as I've deliberately staid clear of any "substances" last spring break, just to do it. (I had sort of been drinking heavily for a couple of weeks before that). I drank Fanta at parties and so on. NO fun. but that's just IMHO of course. Whatever works for you (but you should definitely try), Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Nov 4 16:03:58 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:03:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001104014457.00697ab0@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: At 01:44 11.4.00 -0500, you wrote: >Set: The band was insanely tight this evening. came on stage happy and smiling and highfiving the crowd. Alan "I have come to suck your blood" Lanier was rather animated and having fun. >This Aint the summer of love Is what it was. Stood on the Alan /eric side of stage so VBuck for the most of the night wasn't super present soundwise. > before the kiss Good, Danny M's bass break was tasty. >Bucks Boogie Didn't QUITE swing, but Rondinelli (despite the throwback hair) has startened to get away from hitting the beat. good) >Flaming Telepaths First time I've seen this, and it waz impressive. I hear some boots of the tune and was sadly underwhelmed, but they brought it all together with punch. The end wind up didnt quite wind up the trhottle, but still cant complain! >Take Me Away Unexpected. got better. >Cities on Flame Very slow take on the tune, and Lanier stepped out with guitar for the end solo run, which I didnt expect. >Teen Archer GOOD solos from Lanier and Buck (as always). and buck held out the end "she dont carrrrrrre" for as long as the recorded version seemed to hold it out too. Much impressed. Buck seemed to be playign with more warbles in his notes than the typical super spidery shred he does. >Pocket Good, possibly marektable Buckpop number with nice soloing end section. Worked well leading into the >Vigil Last saw this in buffalo several years ago, and this time it was much more together, made the Come to us section quite heavy as all BO should be (hehe) with a sterling solo section by Buck come to think of it, a lot of it was buck solo room setwise. the unison guitar figure he and Lanier do at the end was dead on. kudos. >Unknown Tongue Nice, punchy take with piano solo the band really was paying attnetion to playing and having fun that night. >Astronomy The band seemed to make it funkier than I've heard them try to do it in the past (esp. the runs right before "hey" chords), and more of an effort in the kybds. to do stuff in the song. Since I havent said it yet, Ill say it now. THE band was very good vocally, unison and lead. Erics cvoice is completely back to being eric. >Godzilla good bass solo. well tempered. Drum solo was short enough to be good, and played well. another sense of increasing funk swagger in the playing of this tune. Lanier was hamming it up well with the audience immediately in front of him. >Reaper the unnamed guitar solo was the best evidence that buck is back to playign with swing. he had a good momentum on it that the diffuse-brian-may-delay-pedal-extravaganza normally heard. Bad point: due to the COWBELL, an enterprising audient played the thing all th e way through the tune, and didnt stop when the band broke into the end soloing section, throwing off the quick coolness of the "gil blanco county" end run. Danny Miranda was annoyed at the dude too as he prteneded to hit eric with an invisible drum stick (or cowbell banging device, since it was invisible who knows!) >---encore: >Burning for You The one real dissapointment in the show, because its NOT an encore tune. Either way they still rocked as good boys should. Astounded over all by the variety of the set list, even eric made a coment about keeping the shows fresh (bout )(*&(*& time he realized it hehe). Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 4 18:37:28 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:37:28 EST Subject: HW: Help ID a song! Message-ID: Okay, a few years ago, a member of this list (who may still be a member of this list, but I'm not sure), Charles "Capt. Cloud" Johnson made me a tape w/Calvert's Lockheed album on it...but at the end of the album, he tacked on a track which sounds like either '80s or '90s Hawkwind, really spacey w/synth wooshes but an insistent kinda techno beat...no vocals, except samples from spoken parts of the Lockheed album... What is this??? Chuck didn't write the title on the j-card! thanks, Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 4 19:14:09 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:14:09 -0000 Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I know you don't mean that........but pretty impossible anyway as I hold no opinion on the guy - how the hell could I - I've never read any of his stuff!!!!!! Andy G'b (who loves you really) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: how we got into hawkwind In a message dated 11/3/00 5:38:12 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: Am I the only one on here who's never found the urge to read a Moorcock book in his life? Oh well..... Andy G'b. (shocked gasp of horror) BLASPHEMER! HERETIC! UNBELIEVER! Joe (getting the stake and kindling ready) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You don't need to take drugs to enjoy them! > > > > William > > Absolutly, I get plenty high just listening to the albums. > You don't NEED the drugs to enjoy Hawkwind - especially if you have a > creative imagination and you are into what Hawkwind is about. > > But at the same time I see nothing wrong with someone wanting to get a > little > high as long as it doesn't interfere with others enjoyment of the > celebration and so long as it isn't hurting others in the process. (In any > shape or form) > > So , now, where do I deposit my 2 cents in this thing ( 2p for you English > chaps) ha ha :) > > Michael B > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Duffy > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:56 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: No Drugs & Hawkwind > > > > > No Drugs & Hawkwind: how boring! > > > > > Hawkwind should not be boring. You don't need to take drugs to enjoy them! > > > > William From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 4 19:17:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:17:39 -0000 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: yes.....I was going to say that but I didn't have the **** to do it for fear of showing ignorance. Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:50 AM Subject: Re: OFF: seti at home > Pardon? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bart Brugmans > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 3:01 AM > Subject: OFF: seti at home > > > > Hi, > > > > when all (non) vegetarian, drug (free) and/or alcohol using sometimes > > booz abusing and never ever thinking about listening music without > > lsd or sniffin glue fellows have a computer at home / work doing > > nothing more but writin emails about previuos subjects please > > consider using some spare cpu time to join seti and of course the > > boc/hw maillistgroup to be found at: > > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_23645.html > > > > thnx, > > > > --BArt > > > > NP Sonic Youth Little trouble girl From nick at NETPHD.NET Sat Nov 4 20:14:48 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:14:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001104160358.0068fc58@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: A really great show overall. . . Much better than the last time I saw them, at the STrike Zone in Binghamton. Sadly, my enjoyment was slightly marred by the fact that two of my little group of friends became far too inebriated, and I spent much of the night keeping them out of trouble, which was really a task. I think one of the bouncers wanted to kick us all out. As such, I wasn't really able to go looking for all you folks, and I'm really disappointed that I didn't get to meet any of you. Hopefully there will be another day. And I'll know who NOT to invite this time! --Nick From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 4 20:40:01 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:40:01 EST Subject: HW: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/00 7:08:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > I know you don't mean that........but pretty impossible anyway as I hold no > opinion on the guy - how the hell could I - I've never read any of his > stuff!!!!!! > Andy G'b (who loves you really) > Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk:) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Nov 4 22:18:34 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 03:18:34 GMT Subject: OFF: UFO Tour Dates Message-ID: NOVEMBER 2000 2nd: Hannover, Capitol 3rd: Hamburg, Fabrik 4th: Plauen, Festhalle 6th: Berlin, Columbiahalle 7th: Leipzig, Haus Auensee 8th: Offenbach, Capitol 10th: Heilbronn, Block E 11th: Lichtenfels, Stadthalle 12th: Stuttgart, LKA 14th: Karlsruhe, Buergerhaus Linkenheim 15th: Munich, Grosse Elserhalle 17th: Tuttlingen, Stadthalle 18th: Mannheim, Capitol 19th: Cologne, Live Music Hall Belgium 20th: Antwerp, Hof Ter Lo UK 22nd: Glasgow, Barrowland 23rd: Newcastle, City Hall 24th: Manchester, Apollo Theatre 26th: Newport, Newport Centre 27th: Nottingham, Rock City 28th: Sheffield, City Hall 30th: Wolverhampton, Civic Hall DECEMBER 2000 UK 1st: London, Astoria 3rd: London, Astoria NETHERLANDS 2nd: Tilburg, 013 http://www.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~masai/ufo/latest.html If anyone will be making any of these shows and taping, please contact me!! Lights Out! Darrin _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 5 00:50:37 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:50:37 -0500 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: => "Powertrip" is a classic sellout album. Only the first song ("Crop circle") => and the last one ("Your lies become you") could fit on any of their previous => albums. The rest is IMO not as good, more pop-wise written songs. It's all => "heavy metal", but more like a cross Metallica and Misfits, the songs are => straightforward verse-chorus type of songs, with almost no jams at all. A => better balance of the Misfits-like songs and their "classic" jammy songs => would have been much better IMO. It's not a bad album overall, but certainly => not as good as "Dopes". You're obviously from the BOC side of this list. How else could you fail to notice the dead ringer for "Time We Left" on _Powertrip_: "Bummer." => Otther albums: Superjudge - similar to "Dopes", but not as good, with slower => songs and lots and lots of overlaying guitars. The only standout song is => "Cage around the sun", I would say. If you liked "Dopes" you'll prolly like => "Superjudge" as well. Also, "Dinosaur Vacume" is "more Hawkwind than Hawkwind..." (Not to mention a bone fide cover of Hawkwind's "Brainstorm.") => "Spine of God" - nothing but jams here. It's been more than a year since I => listened to this one. Nowhere near as heavy as the later albums, but the => jams don't really do the job either. Sorry, this one just isn't very good. _Spine of God_ is *THE* Monster Magnet album. All others pale in comparison! => I think there's another album i don't have. There's an EP: _25.....Tab_. Great psychedelic jamming, but not to everyone's tastes. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Nov 5 01:44:49 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:44:49 GMT Subject: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: >You're obviously from the BOC side of this list. How else could you >fail to notice the dead ringer for "Time We Left" on _Powertrip_: >"Bummer." well, I _am_ "from the BOC side", but I'm getting into Hawkwind... give me some time. I do know "time we left", and I agree it does sound a lot like "Bummer", the latter being IMO by far the worst song on "Powertrip", fit for Kid Rock to cover. >Also, "Dinosaur Vacume" is "more Hawkwind than Hawkwind..." (Not to >mention a bone fide cover of Hawkwind's "Brainstorm.") hmmm... I _should_ know Brainstorm, but I can't quite place it. I don't like "Dinosaur vacume" - btw it's spelled "vacuum" on a UK version that I've got - it spoiled "Live in Las Vegas" for me. I hope "brainstorm" isn't that bad... >_Spine of God_ is *THE* Monster Magnet album. All others pale in >comparison! Well, I can see how a Hawkwind would think so, but I don't think a lot of Monster Magnet fans would agree. I think it was the influence of the other guitarist (who quit when Ed Mundell came on) that made "Spine" stand out so much. I gave it another shot after my previous post, and - well, sorry. I just don't like it. I think "Dopes" is much, much better. And thanks for the info on "Tab" (I thought that was the name). I'll stay clear of that one... Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From dahl at AROS.NET Sun Nov 5 02:45:27 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:45:27 -0700 Subject: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! Message-ID: > >What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before > >consuming alcholic drink, > >the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an > >enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic > >drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. Urban legend. Nuff said. Brad Dahl, Doctor of Clinical Pharmacy From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 03:57:58 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 08:57:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: Re: HW: Moorcock > Ian wrote: > > Slightly (or maybe *very*) off topic, but mention of Time Out of Mind (the SF writers documentary series from the early 80s BBC TV) reminds me I was going to ask if anybody can remember whoelse other than Moorcock was profiled? I remember they did A C Clarke for the first show. Mick replied: > I think they did one on Anne McCaffrey (don't know if its spelt right) who wrote loads books with 'Dragon' in the title. Yeah, I think you're right. Also Brian Aldiss if my memory serves right? Ian From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 06:11:03 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:11:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Jez asked: >Has anybody got the new Weird CDs who can give detailed info about how they >differ from the Tapes please. Which (if any) have extra tracks? Any >extended versions of songs? OK, as far as I can tell, the differences are as follows. I haven't directly compared the two sources so this is all from memory & there may well be other things I've missed. 1: Angels of Life lasts beyond the original fade-out by a few minutes. This features more of Bob's WW1 obsession & is well worth hearing. Also, what was The Dream 2 is now part of Satellite & we have an all-new synth piece listed as The Dream 2. Nuclear Toy seems longer, but not sure about this. 2: Seems identical to the tape. 3: Also identical, despite the misleading track listing on the cover. 4: Again, identical to tape & definitely NOT the same as the Griffin CD. 5: Is the same as the version of Weird105 that I have (the reissue?) with the addition of the US QS&C radio ad between Steppenwolf & Where Are They Now. I've never heard the other version of the tape so can't help there. Also, the second track is listed as City of Lagoons (as was the tape), but this is Chronoglide Skyway, surely? 6: Includes the full Greasy Truckers' Born To Go rather than the 5 min edit of it. Omits Earth Calling from the track list on the cover, but it's on the CD. 7: Hmm. Not sure what happened here. Is everyone else's version as screwed up as mine? Track listing on the cover is as per tape, but the CD itself starts with Choose Your Masques, continues with Looking in the Future twice in succession (!!??) then onto the remaining tracks in order up to Bombed Out, then back to the original opener (Streets of Fear) then through to Winter of Discontent at the end. What happened here? 8: Where *is* 8??? >Does the quality vary from the tapes? The sound quality varies (as did that of the tapes) & is presumably a function of the quality of the source material. No hiss, though! Terrific covers if you've not seen them. Hope this helps. Dave From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 08:47:40 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:47:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Time Out Of Mind Message-ID: J.G Ballard was featured also. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 09:37:05 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:37:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Hawkwind fans have also had the reputation of being hard on the support acts (sometimes unfairly so -often not) My memory is hazy but here are the supporting acts I've seen (or are worth remembering - for good or ill): 79 Doll By Doll - shite 80 Vardis - average metal 81? Baron Rojo - dear o dear 82? Mama's Boys - they were good (in the Thin Lizzy tradition, the guitarist whipped out a violin bow and played the guitar Jimmy Page style, which resulted in abuse from the audience; gobs were rapidly shut when he whipped out the violin and let it rip...probably the best reaction to a HW support band I've seen ...apart from Daevid Allen) 83 ? 84 Bronz - crap (I met Nik during this tour, of the support he said "they're beginning to sound like us"- which is probably the most bizarre thing the Thunder Rider has said or done). 85 ? 86? Tubulah Dog (average free-festival fare; until blinding version of the UFO theme tune complete with back projection of the opening credits of the TV series- hurrah) 88/87? Krel (average prog (now preparing to duck the incoming post from Andy G)) 89/90? 91? Daevid Allen and the Magick Brothers (bloody brilliant mate Strong and Steaming stuff from the Dingo Virgin aka Divided Alien - Gong and Hawkwind were supposed to do a combined US tour after this.....I met Trev Hughes again at the Glasgow gig and said "Daevid Allen has had too much dope" Trev said this, Trev!) Dave Brock picks up the gliss guitar from the Alien. 93? Twitch and Brainstrom DJ Set excellent. HW remixes. Anyone got a tape! The Aphex Twin was at this too - I seem to recall 94 Salt Tank - okay, a pity but we were all expecting the Orb Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 5 10:02:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:32:50 +1030 Subject: important Message-ID: There is a notice up at Mission Control regarding all us people who volunteered to help out with Hawkwind promotion check it out at the Update section I'm in it!!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Michael Blackman Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Re: volunteers needed - and its painless yeah ok, but i take it you are refering to the national lottery? colm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blackman To: colm mcwilliams Date: 05 November 2000 10:54 Subject: Re: volunteers needed - and its painless OK I had this wacky idea the other night as I was walking to the studio The idea is to get 11 people thru this discussion list to pick 6 numbers each ( from 1 - 45 inclusive ) and I would pick 6 as well. We have 12 games per game card and you choose 6 numbers per game. (Probably like elsewhere. I would use the same numbers every saturday night. Then I would share with those volunteers a percentage of any substantial amount . Anyway the idea, seems to have all the elements of random luck, faith and trust etcetera and maybe its just crazy enough to work. (Of course I won't hold my breath waiting to win) It won't cost you anything as I'll be paying for the ticket. So whadya say? Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: colm mcwilliams To: michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Fw: volunteers needed - and its painless a relpy to your email cheers colm icq 62753543 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 02 November 2000 03:30 Subject: volunteers needed - and its painless Hello I need eleven volunteers to reply to this email - so if any of you kats are feeling curious email me privatly - it won't cost you anything and its painless :) michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au Thank you Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 10:14:08 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:14:08 +0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: Well, my Dad was an advisor to parliament and more or less helped mastermind Broadgate! Me I've got a BTEC & City & Guilds in ComputerNetworking & Sound Engineering, alkso halfway through a degree in computing Ben ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I > always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still > ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little > trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to > degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, > sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!)Andy Garibaldi (not entirely > seriously you understand) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brad Dahl > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: No drugs > >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - > panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other > than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did > you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see > if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who > spends way to much of his time trying to save people who > have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to > comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol > or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe > analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, > acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. > The problem occurs when you take so much that your body > cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe > metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic > metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 > grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of > the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get > into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an > increased frequency than recommended (which provides no > greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you > have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent > "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with > ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party > on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert > which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach > Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), > my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some > medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach > tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking > fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, > can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just > stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took > about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at > the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of > vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a > great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? > Probably not. (what a prude I am) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Coventry Broadgate? ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: No drugs Well, my Dad was an advisor to parliament and more or less helped mastermind Broadgate! Me I've got a BTEC & City & Guilds in ComputerNetworking & Sound Engineering, alkso halfway through a degree in computing Ben ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: Don't know about the rest of you but I found that interesting - I always wanted to be a pharmacist but failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology Degree though - which prompts tonight's little trivia question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!)Andy Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Dahl To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM Subject: Re: No drugs >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal drugs tho - panadol for one ( garbage that produces no pain relief other than a placebo effect and actually causes liver damage - did you know headaches are a symtom of liver damage?) Let's see if I can work some BOC content into this... As someone who spends way to much of his time trying to save people who have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt a need to comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol in the US (paracetamol or acetaminophen) is actually quite an effective and safe analgesic, when used in the proper doses. In fact, acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to your liver. The problem occurs when you take so much that your body cannot metabolize it via the normal routes to safe metabolites and instead metabolizes it to a very toxic metabolite. In a normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 grams of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or 14 of the extra strength tablets). Of course, you can also get into trouble by taking more than the 2 tablets at an increased frequency than recommended (which provides no greater pain relief no matter what you may think) or you have preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a frequent "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone kill themselves with ibuprofen, so there is you challenge for the day. Party on! Brad Oh yeah, (warning BOC content) at my first concert which was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to that one?), my friend had been very ill with vomiting so he had some medicine from his physician that he referred to as "stomach tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a drinking fountain when a guy in line saw him take one and said "Hey, can I have some of those?". My friend said "They're just stomach tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert looking at the many passed out people on the floor (some in a pile of vomit) as we left and thinking "You guys really missed a great show." Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? Probably not. (what a prude I am) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sun Nov 5 10:20:30 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:20:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: New Band - Electric Red Message-ID: Hi! Here's a band you might want to check out. They sent this email to the radio show, www.planetprog.com, that I do the website for. Electric Red www.electric-red.com I really liked the excerpt of their song "Tickle". Instrumental spacerock. Those of you with other radio shows out there might want to check this band out. Karen Subject: Your radio Show - Planet Prog To: markk at planetprog.com From: mreichar at csc.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:14:38 -0500 Hey! I found your web site through The Progressive Rock Web Site. I'm sure you're interested in finding new bands and sounds to play on your show. If that's the case, you have to check out this band - Electric Red (from Annapolis, MD). For a quick sample of their tunes, go to www.electric-red.com and there will be a splash page with 3 one minute samples from their demo. If you like it, let me know and I'll get you a copy! Thanks and have a great day. ;-) Beth Reichart Manager, Booking - Electric Red (w) 703-413-9596 (h) 443-482-9419 From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 10:41:24 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:41:24 +0000 Subject: No drugs Message-ID: No in London they demolished my favourite Railway Station (I'm a Train spotter) Broad Street and built this huge circular buisiness complex. The Railway line was a real gem, running about 50 ft in the air on bridges a real classic. Ben Mark Kelly wrote: > Which Broadgate? The Coventry Broadgate? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: No drugs > Well, my Dad was an advisor to parliament and more or less > helped mastermind Broadgate! Me I've got a BTEC & City & > Guilds in ComputerNetworking & Sound Engineering, alkso > halfway through a degree in computing > > Ben > > ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > Don't know about the rest of you but I found that > > interesting - I always wanted to be a pharmacist but > > failed horribly at physics. Still ended up with a Biology > > Degree though - which prompts tonight's little trivia > > question - who's the 'smartest' one here - anyone own up > > to degrees? doctorates? members of parliament? future > > presidents (oh, sorry, that's next week isn't it!!!)Andy > > Garibaldi (not entirely seriously you understand) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brad Dahl > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:25 PM > > Subject: Re: No drugs > > >>>watch out for all those pharmacuetical legal > > drugs tho - panadol for one ( garbage that > > produces no pain relief other than a placebo > > effect and actually causes liver damage - did > > you know headaches are a symtom of liver > > damage?) Let's see if I can work some BOC > > content into this... As someone who spends way > > to much of his time trying to save people who > > have overdose on medications (aka drugs), I felt > > a need to comment on this. Panadol or Tylenol > > in the US (paracetamol or acetaminophen) is > > actually quite an effective and safe analgesic, > > when used in the proper doses. In fact, > > acetaminophen itself will cause no damage to > > your liver. The problem occurs when you take so > > much that your body cannot metabolize it via the > > normal routes to safe metabolites and instead > > metabolizes it to a very toxic metabolite. In a > > normal healthy adult it takes at least 7 grams > > of acetaminophen before this problem occurs (or > > 14 of the extra strength tablets). Of course, > > you can also get into trouble by taking more > > than the 2 tablets at an increased frequency > > than recommended (which provides no greater pain > > relief no matter what you may think) or you have > > preexisting liver problems (or maybe have a > > frequent "beverage"). I have yet to see anyone > > kill themselves with ibuprofen, so there is you > > challenge for the day. Party on! Brad Oh yeah, > > (warning BOC content) at my first concert which > > was BOC, Kansas and Ted Nugent at the Long Beach > > Sports Arena in 1975 (anybody else here get to > > that one?), my friend had been very ill with > > vomiting so he had some medicine from his > > physician that he referred to as "stomach > > tranquilizers". We were getting a drink from a > > drinking fountain when a guy in line saw him > > take one and said "Hey, can I have some of > > those?". My friend said "They're just stomach > > tranquilizers." and the guy said "Cool" and took > > about 3-4 of them. I remember after the concert > > looking at the many passed out people on the > > floor (some in a pile of vomit) as we left and > > thinking "You guys really missed a great show." > > Maybe I'm the one who missed the great show? > > Probably not. (what a prude I am) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 5 10:30:21 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:30:21 -0500 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: => >You're obviously from the BOC side of this list. How else could you => >fail to notice the dead ringer for "Time We Left" on _Powertrip_: => >"Bummer." => => well, I _am_ "from the BOC side", but I'm getting into Hawkwind... give me => some time. I do know "time we left", and I agree it does sound a lot like => "Bummer", the latter being IMO by far the worst song on "Powertrip", fit for => Kid Rock to cover. It gets a great reaction live. Who is Kid Rock, by the way? => >Also, "Dinosaur Vacume" is "more Hawkwind than Hawkwind..." (Not to => >mention a bone fide cover of Hawkwind's "Brainstorm.") => => hmmm... I _should_ know Brainstorm, but I can't quite place it. I don't like => "Dinosaur vacume" - btw it's spelled "vacuum" on a UK version that I've got => - it spoiled "Live in Las Vegas" for me. I hope "brainstorm" isn't that => bad... Funny, but I checked the spelling before posting, because I assumed it was "vacuum," but remembered it was slightly funky. On my UK version of _Superjudge_, it is spelled "Vacume." I bought mine when it was released (thanks to Swann's evangelism on this list---see, he *is* to blame for everything!), so maybe they had a change of heart with the spelling in subsequent pressings. (Maybe they spelled "Nik" correctly in the credits, too?) Their version of "Brainstorm" is amusing in that it sounds like they are using lyrics from the original BOC-L "lyrics project" (i.e., about half wrong)... => >_Spine of God_ is *THE* Monster Magnet album. All others pale in => >comparison! => => Well, I can see how a Hawkwind would think so, but I don't think a lot of => Monster Magnet fans would agree. I think it was the influence of the other => guitarist (who quit when Ed Mundell came on) that made "Spine" stand out so => much. I gave it another shot after my previous post, and - well, sorry. I => just don't like it. I think "Dopes" is much, much better. It probably depends on what vintage of fan you are. Those that "found" Monster Magnet with their huge popular hit, _Dopes to Infinity_, would undoubtedly agree with you. But, what struck me as funny about your original posting is that I recall _Dopes..._ being pretty much universally flamed on BOC-L for its "generic metal" feel when it came out. So, _Dopes..._ and beyond fans no doubt love that aspect of Monster Magnet. Those that came before (and psyche fans that likely inhabit this list) have a penchant for the pre-_Dopes..._ material (or so my experience on this list tells me). I guess it's rather like pre- and post-Barrett era Floyd fans. I'm glad you like _Dopes..._. I seldom play it, myself, but _Spine of God_ gets regular play. Horses for courses... => And thanks for the info on "Tab" (I thought that was the name). I'll stay => clear of that one... Well, someone *gave* me their copy, so obviously it is not for the faint of heart... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 10:43:25 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:43:25 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Dead Fred Message-ID: Has anyone got a recording of Dead Freds set opening (first band) at the Hawkestra? Ben From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Sun Nov 5 10:35:01 2000 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:35:01 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 2 Nov 2000 - Special issue (#2000-253) Message-ID: Mmmmm, Spoke to one of my medico friends many years ago about the exact same 'problem' of ageing livers - Since then I always take a couple of sachets of Rehydrat or other similar rehydration powders the morning after, AFAIK (an' i'm no medico) this works by correcting a) the Fluid imbalance caused by alchohol b) bringing the mineral levels back up to scratch. I'll have to check out Ibuprofen tho' it's fairly cheap, specially when you match the cost against speed !! Mark (Hasbeen) >Well .....there is a preventative answer.......which does not involve >drinking pints of milk to line the stomach or consuming vast >quantities of >water at the end of your night out. > >Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing >exactly what all >the doctors and nurses do before they go on their ritualistic >binge after a >hard weeks shift...... >Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie >Neurofen in the UK) >(*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) >It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as >directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! > >I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does >work...........BUT >HOW???? > >I met up with a consultant from Guys Hospital in London some >time ago, and >asked him about this just to find out if he could authenticate this >preventative remedy. >He was well familiar with this pre-hangover treatment and went on to >explain exactly how it works. >It is nothing to do with 'killing the pain in advance'. >What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before >consuming alcholic drink, >the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an >enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic >drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. >It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for us >as teenagers >when we went out drinking. >Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less >efficient at >dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old >'lightweights' such >as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half >pints of Guiness. > >Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN > AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE > TAKEN WITH FOOD ! > >NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any >other painkiller >bought over the counter! ) > >Oh......for the record! >On the 21st October........... 8pm - 2 x Neurofen > 8 - 9.30pm - 2 Pints of Theakstons >Best + 1 Double >Vodka + Red > Bull (Yuk!) @ The Beehive,Brixton. > 10.30 - 02.00am - Double Vodka & Tonic >+ 2 Pints of >Stella during > Hawkestra. > 02.30 - 3.30pm - Went home pleasantly >pissed.....Slept........Got up > 11am.......Ears >still HISSING >but head felt fine!!! >Regards > >Mel > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:01:42 +1300 >From: Richard Stockwell >Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > >> Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric >shamans: certain >criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought > >Was that shown on BBC2 ? Do you recall what music was used to >accompany the >programme ? > >Richard > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:13:45 GMT >From: Darrin McKeehen >Subject: Off/On: No Drugs & Hawkwind > >Hey Now, > >Just wanted to blast you guys. > >Not all of what I said was true. I am no Sid Vicious! However, >I do partake >in the other substances. Some more than others. Basically, on >the weekend, >at shows etc. It's a celebration, not a habit! > >I DO NOT drink alcohol. I quit 10 years ago and I don't miss >it at all. I do >not smoke during the week, for the most part. If there's a show here on >Tuesday etc. I celebrate! Moderation is the key. I got >pneumonia in '88 from >too much kind, so I take it easy and no schwag! > >I am a Geologist (Hydrogeologist). I have been in the >environmental business >for 13 years. When I worked in the lab, I did go home at lunch >and party. It >did not effect my work, but by Thursday, I needed a nap ") > >Of course, that's when I lived in Cleveland, where I saw my >first Hawkwind >show. I think it was 9/30/89. Very spacey show! Especially on >Florida's free >high ") >Actually, they were probably from Oregon. > >I first heard Hawkwind at the Bowling Green State University >library. I was >a metal head and already had all the Motorhead albums. I was >tracing Lemmy's >roots, so I listened to a scratched copy of DOREMI on the >headphones in the >library and I was hooked! I guess this was about 1979. > >The first album I bought was In Search of Space and the rest >is history. > >Just for the record, I would never put any drug in my veins >and I am VERY >anti-cocaine. One week before college graduation, I walked in >on a drug bust >at a friends. I watched them get taken away in handcuffs and end up in >Mansfield, Ohio, a federal(?) prison as seen in the movie >"Brubaker". I have >seen that drug ruin too many people's lives and I stay away! > >Peace, > >Darrin >_______________________________________________________________ >__________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:27:02 EST >From: Chuck Rosenberg >Subject: OFF: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! > >In a message dated 11/2/00 3:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, >mel at MVA.U-NET.COM writes: > >> Some years ago the owner of an off licence suggested doing >exactly what all >> the doctors and nurses do before they go on their >ritualistic binge after a >> hard weeks shift...... >> Very simple........you swallow 2 Ibuprofen tablets (ie >Neurofen in the UK) >> (*NOT PARACETAMOL OR ASPIRIN!!!!*) >> It has to be Ibuprofen painkiller/anti inflammatory....taken as >> directed,preferably with food....BEFORE YOU START DRINKING! >> > >Worth a try I guess. But let me get this straight... > > >> I've tried it on numerous occasions and it really does >work...........BUT >> HOW???? >> >> Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN >> AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE >> TAKEN WITH FOOD ! >> > >You did mean as directly before you begin drinking as possible? >And what dosage? And just once? > >Thanks (though this one belongs waaaay OFF), > >Chuck > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:04:01 -0000 >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > >Yeh - but they lost two and it went down to ten!!!! >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "M Holmes" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:26 PM >Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind?????? > > >> Ted Jackson jr. writes: >> >> > > Never tried any drugs. >> > > >> > Yeah, I get high on Jesus! >> >> So, just for the curious: is there a Twelve Step programme for that? >> >> FoFP > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:14:56 -0000 >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Subject: Re: BOC Friday > >Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any >good,let me know, please. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ted Jackson jr." >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:05 PM >Subject: BOC Friday > > >> On 2 Nov 00, at 8:30, Nick Medford wrote: >> >> >> > First HW show: Black Sword, Hammersmith '85. I remember >the excitement >> > my 16 year-old self and my mates had about going to this gig. >> > Difficult (and perhaps not desirable) to retain that sense >of awe and >> > excitement as you get older but ever since I knew the Hawkestra was >> > definitely happening I felt like I was 16 again! And it >actually lived >> > up to my wholly unreasonable expectations! >> >> Good point about sustaining the excitement felt as a >youthful convert. >> I gotta say I'm pretty psyched to see BOC tomorrow night some 28 >> years after my first gig--damn, 28 years is older than a lot >of folks on >> this list! And, it's probably a bit harder to stay focused on BOC as >> they haven't had a steady steam of new releases like HW has. Still, >> BOC live is an event similar to HW, although, I gather, BOC plays a >> lot more shows than HW in a given year. >> >> Anyone have an idea what we'll hear Fri. night? Haven't seen any set >> lists from recent BOC gigs. I'm still bitterly disappointed from the >> Vernon gig where BOC got short-sheeted into playing an abbreviated >> set, with no 'new' stuff--not even any HF tunes. Hopefully, >tomorrow's >> gig will set that straight. >> >> BTW, for Nick and anyone else traveling a long distance for the >> show: I contacted the venue, and the dude said that doors open at 8, >> and first band goes on at 930p. According to the web site, there are >> 2 opening bands, which should put BOC on stage around 11-1130p, >> I guess. >> >> What time are you all planning on showing up? I figure to hit the >> place around 830 or so. Maybe later. as I'm not in any hurry to hear >> Bad Karma, the opening act, which sounds like a bad cover band. >> Any of you Albany-area guys heard them? Some other dude is >> playing--forget his name. Mike, Jason, have you heard? >> >> theo > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:25:15 -0000 >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > >Bizarre here - for some reason I can't remember I decided to >borrow a copy >of 'In Search Of Space' from a postal lending library I was >with back in '72 >and could not believe 'Shouldn't Do That' - that track started >a career, let >alone a collection. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 2:58 PM >Subject: Re: how we got into hawkwind > > >> i first heard "master of the universe" on LA FM radio in the >summer of >> '72....seems like i heard it several days in a row. upon >reflexion, it >> must've been the hypnotic repetitition and that phasing >which sucked me >in. i >> was soon to turn 15. >> i bought the ISOS lp as soon as i could, and liked that lp >plenty, but >> really, for me, that was the summer of the "ziggy stardust" >lp. proper >> hawk-fanaticism would have to wait awhile... >> >> ....until early the next year, when i bought the 'doremi' lp. amazing >> drumming! amazing in general! >>>LEMMY!<<< >> == >> i had yet to become the cannabis enthusiast i would become >[to this very >day] >> and i must divide my fandom twixt 'pre-pot' and >'post-pot'...and hearing >HW >> _stoned_, well,...here i am over a quarter-century later >still discussing >> them. >> dont try this at home, kids. >> >> i have written of my growing disenchantment with post-lemmy >HW too many >times >> here...but the era w/lemmy in the band, and the >non-conformist if not, um, >> 'revolutionary' attitude they seemed to project, had a great >deal in my >> leaving home the day after i turned 18 to play rock music on >my own...and >> much later, in the tres unreal das ludicroix, to enjoy >drumming in 'simon >> king mode'. and once i figured it out, it wasnt so much what >he did but >the >> authority with which he did it. >> >> the hawkestra show must've been awesome; hoping to acquire >tapes of it >before >> long. >> >> salud! >> shalom! >> >> "<>" > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:35:07 -0000 >From: ANDREW GARIBALDI >Subject: Re: HW: How old is you. > >Exactly - don;t waht it's like for the rest of the world oit >there but the >current state of UK national and local radio when it comes to >all forms of >non-mainstream music is worse than lamentable and it seems that >individuality, choice, regard for the music by those who pick >and play it, >looking forward, etc, etc has all gone up in flames. It will >be a brave man >who tries to break the mould - of course I am available to any >radio station >out there, if you want!! It's easy to play things that people >want to hear >in the world of so-called 'serious' music - Peel still does >it, I've been >told for years I sound just like John Peel, so - bingo - I'm >yer man - radio >stations look out. >Andy Garibaldi. >Andy Garibaldi. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Browne" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:09 AM >Subject: HW: How old is you. > > >> In article <02f501c04463$19f65900$c69cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI >> writes >> >Of course I'll be those of you older types >> >with families have tried to get their offspring into Hawkwind and no >doubt >> >without success, as kids generally hate what their parents like. >> >> >> You'll be gratified to hear that my 9 year old son listens >to Warrior on >> The Edge of Time, in a 3 disc changer with Lou Reed's >Transformer, and >> David Bowie's Space Oddity, on permanent rotation. His >favourite music >> is "stuff about space". He's just beginning to notice that >there isn't a >> lot of this on the radio. >> -- >> Jon > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:34:36 +0000 >From: Nick Medford >Subject: Re: HW: Alchoholic Beverages? Halt that hangover NOW! > >>What happens is.....(as I recall).......By taking Ibuprofen before >>consuming alcholic drink, >>the alchohol reacts with the Ibuprofen in the stomach, and produces an >>enzyme which in turn,neutralises the antibodies within the alchoholic >>drink, that would otherwise go on to give you a 'hangover'. > >!! > >Forgive me but... no way can you "produce an enzyme" in this way! And >alcohol doesn't contain antibodies, antibodies are 'good guys' >produced by >your own immune system to fight infection, help heal wounds etc. > >It (the ibuprofen) may give the liver a "kick-start", i.e. >make the liver's >natural enzymes work more effectively, thus you will get the >alcohol out of >your system quicker. > >Hope you won't mind me commenting but you seem to be genuinely >interested in the mechanisms so thought you'd like clarification. > >>It's actually helping to do exactly what our livers did for >us as teenagers >>when we went out drinking. > >Yes- see above. > >>Unfortunately.......as we get older, our livers become less >efficient at >>dealing with this type of abuse,which is why 43 yr old >'lightweights' such >>as myself feel shitty the morning after just 2 and a half >pints of Guiness. > > >> >>Like I said before....IT MUST BE IBUPROFEN >> AT THE PRESCRIBED DOSAGE >> TAKEN WITH FOOD ! >> >>NOT Paracetamol - NOT Panadol - NOT Aspirin !!!!! ( or any >other painkiller >>bought over the counter! ) > >Ibuprofen is freely available over the counter in the UK. I >thought it was in >the US too, maybe not. (Perhaps it varies between states?) > >Can we get back to Hawkwind pleeze?! I'm already on enough medical >mailing lists! > > >-- >Nick Medford > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:38:18 -0800 >From: Joseph Sardo >Subject: Re: BOC Friday > >I'll be the one wearing a BOC or Brain Surgeon >t-shirt, BOC hat, and shouting "Anyone here from the >BOC e-group?" > >--- "Ted Jackson jr." >wrote: >> On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: >> >> >> > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a >> > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind >> a >> > mobile station across from Price Chopper. >> > >> Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty >> convenient to have >> another bar close by where you can get a drink >> without costing an >> arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar >> waiting for BOC. >> How will we recognize you? >> >> theo > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >>>From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. >http://experts.yahoo.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:43:14 +0000 >From: Nick Medford >Subject: Re: No Lonesome Dope after all! > >In message z>, Richard Stockwell writes >>> Don't know if you saw the recent BBC prog on prehistoric >shamans: certain >>criss-cross patterns found in cave paintings are now thought >> >>Was that shown on BBC2 ? Do you recall what music was used to >accompany the >>programme ? >> >>Richard > >Yeah it was definitely Beeb 2. It was part of a series on the >origins of the >human species. the other programs weren't as interesting though. > >I have a feeling some Dead Can Dance music was used in the >program, can't >remember which tracks, and I may be getting it mixed up, but I >definitely >noticed DCD on the soundtrack to something I watched recently. They >were one of my fave bands in the 80s, in fact one of the very >few 80s bands >of any note IMHO. >-- >Nick Medford > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:46:39 -0800 >From: Joseph Sardo >Subject: Re: BOC Friday > >Darn, Ted Junior. I can be at Ravenswood about, eh, I >dunno because I have to pick up so many people. But >I'll be at the Ravenwood before 8:00 pm for sure. > > >--- "Ted Jackson jr." >wrote: >> On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: >> >> >> > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a >> > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind >> a >> > mobile station across from Price Chopper. >> > >> Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty >> convenient to have >> another bar close by where you can get a drink >> without costing an >> arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar >> waiting for BOC. >> How will we recognize you? >> >> theo > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >>>From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. >http://experts.yahoo.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:05:45 +1300 >From: Richard Stockwell >Subject: Re: BOC Friday > >> Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if >anyone's any >good,let me know, please. > >The New Zealand band Serotonin are now based in London and are >looking to >start gigging. They were supposed to be the support slot for >Hawkwind when >the band were in NZ but the Palmerston North gig (where >Serotonin come from) >didn't happen so the band missed out. Richard Aleen at delerium records >described their "Cluster" Cd as a "laid back Hawkwind". I've >got a contact >number in London if you need it. > >Richard >Cranium Music > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:03:09 -0500 >From: flossbac >Subject: Re: HW: Cold Turkey > >> On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:15 -0500, Rik Rx wrote: >> >in ref to all the recent drugz talk can i be the first to >point out that >> >most of the audience will be on cold turkey at the next gig?? >> > >> >......................(leaves quietly) >> >> Actually, this is serious (well, not THAT serious)! Turkey is an >excellent >> source of Tryptophan (as are, I believe, bananas), an amino >acid that has >> several neurological effects including stimulation of seretonin (a >> neurotransmitter) production in the brain. And one of the >neurological >> effects of LSD is to *reduce* seretonin levels in the brain >(part of the >> reason why it's difficult to sleep under the influence of >that substance - >> and why, for the opposite reason, you get sleepy after >eating one of those >> big turkey dinners!). >> >> So be careful not to blow your trip forever if you're >attending holiday >> dinners ... (people on-list who actually know something >about neuroscience >> please feel free to clarify/correct anything I've written) ... >> >> -Doug >> ceres at sirius.com > >The bit about turkey is completely accurate, but not about >LSD. LSD is a >blocker of serotonin receptors (a chemical mimic of serotonin, >though not >with the same effect). It is not fully known what exactly it does, but >suffice it to say that once it is locked into serotonin >receptors, it does >something different than serotonin, thus producing its effect. > It may be a >simple blockade (no effect at the receptor site) or it may have some >stimulatory effect. In any case, it disrupts the serotonin system. >John Majka > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:33:57 +1030 >From: Michael Blackman >Subject: radio > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C04589.F3FAA620 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> Exactly - don;t waht it's like for the rest of the world oit >there but = >the >>current state of UK national and local radio when it comes to >all forms = >of >>non-mainstream music is worse than lamentable and it seems that >>individuality, choice, regard for the music by those who pick >and play = >it, > >similar in Australia but there are a few stations that are okay > >I recently got my membership to our local volunteer radio station - a = >pretty decent one at that - and have a friend there who is >gonna help me = >get a spot as a volunteer DJ - not sure exactly when this will happen = >but I'm gonna do a space rock set featuring Hawkwind and related = >material -=20 >I have a great CD from Steve Hayes that I want to use and I'm >waiting on = >a skyclad cd and also have a CD from a Melbourne band called >Brainstorm. >I'm currently looking for any other related original bands to >include in = >my collection? > >Can anyone help? > >Michael B > > > > >------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C04589.F3FAA620 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> >------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C04589.F3FAA620-- > >------------------------------ > >End of BOC-L Digest - 2 Nov 2000 - Special issue (#2000-253) >************************************************************ > From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM Sun Nov 5 10:57:06 2000 From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:57:06 -0000 Subject: OFF: Eeeeek Message-ID: Arin, This should raise about 3 zillion responses judging by recent threads - However FWIW, if you REALLY want to try new experiences 1) Stay away from anything addictive !! 2) Find a friend you KNOW has experince with the chemical of your choice. 3) Be open-minded - most hallucinogens seem to work based on current state of mind at the start of the experince. ie if your depressed you'll get more depressed, scared you'll get scareder (sp) etc. 4) Find an environment in which you are totally comfartable and familiar - Home in the garden, lounge etc. 5) Everybody reacts differently to every substance there is so start with the smallest dose, NOT the dose your friends who use normally do !! 6) If you work anywhere where you risk Drug-Testing make sure you are aware of the period required for the drug to be COMPLETELY metabolised - Cannabis for example can be detected for 2-3 weeks after use. Depends on your metabolic rate. I'll probably get some stick as well now, I am not in any way advocating the use of any substance - I do what I do when I want and out of choice, so should all other free thinking people. For the record, Psylocibin (Cubensis), Sativa, Marijuana, Cannabis and three or four times a year Amphetamine Sulphate, Alchohol, Tobacco and most of the E numbers you get in food !!! I've tried LSD a few times, snorted some Coke (twice) and the old Benylin trick, used to be Phenser years ago. Never put a needle near myself and never will. maybe one day I'll try some of the other stuff out there, I would actually like to try Peyote, also saw an interesting prog about a drug called Ibogain (sp) being tested in the States, looked kinda fun. Anyway, 'nuff off-topic stuff for me, it's Sunday and I've got work to do, then it's off home for cold-turkey :) Mark (Hasbeen) ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:44:38 -0600 From: Arin Komins Subject: OFF: drugs So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard caffeine, etc.) I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty depressive experience for me.) But I've always wanted to. But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing (at least judging by my collector instincts). Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay away from? good environment for a first trip? (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) Arin ----- End ----- From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 11:35:13 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:35:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <000301c04736$30e69dc0$9036883e@default> Message-ID: In message <000301c04736$30e69dc0$9036883e at default>, david hall writes > 79 Doll By Doll - shite I actually saw a reformed version of this band supporting Pere Ubu at the QEH about 3 years ago (anyone else here like Ubu??) Didn't think much of them, have never understood why they have such critical acclaim. Can't imagine them playing their reflective pop ditties in front of a Hawkwind crowd, must've been ugly. > 80 Vardis - average metal > 81? Baron Rojo - dear o dear > 82? Mama's Boys - they were good (in the Thin Lizzy tradition, the guitarist > whipped out a violin bow and played the guitar Jimmy Page style, which resulted > in abuse from the audience; gobs were rapidly shut when he whipped out the > violin and let it rip...probably the best reaction to a HW support band I've seen > ...apart from Daevid Allen) > 83 ? > 84 Bronz - crap (I met Nik during this tour, of the support he said "they're > beginning to sound like us"- which is probably the most bizarre thing the Thunder > Rider has said or done). !! Sometimes I worry about Nik! > 85 ? Wasn't it Dumpy's Rusty Nuts? Sort of good-time biker r'n'r with the occasional psychedelic interlude. Went down quite well as I recall. He also popped up again as a special guest the next couple of times I saw Hawkwind. Once read an interview with him in The Organ (does that still exist?) where he announced himself as a major Gong fan, much to my surprise. His music wasn't bad although he apparently pissed off the audience at a subsequent festival by making loads of moronic comments about gays. > 86? Tubulah Dog (average free-festival fare; until blinding version of the UFO > theme tune complete with back projection of the opening credits of the TV series- > hurrah) Yeah that's how I remember it too. And didn't they do a cover of Hillage's Electrick Gypsies? > 88/87? Krel (average prog (now preparing to duck the incoming post from Andy > G)) > 89/90? '89 was a reggae outfit called Connecting Routes. Hardly anyone bothered to watch them, I did 'cos I was hugely into dub reggae at the time, but even so I didn't think much of them. > 91? Daevid Allen and the Magick Brothers YOU ARE KIDDING! Missed that completely! Still I've seen Daevid plenty of times, including a couple with Magick Brothers. >(bloody brilliant mate Strong and > Steaming stuff from the Dingo Virgin aka Divided Alien - Gong and Hawkwind > were supposed to do a combined US tour after this.....I met Trev Hughes again at > the Glasgow gig and said "Daevid Allen has had too much dope" What was the reason for saying this? I've often wondered about D.A's mental state, although he seems to have kept it together over about 35 years in the music biz which would be enough to stretch anybody's sanity. > Trev said this, > Trev!) Dave Brock picks up the gliss guitar from the Alien. > 93? Twitch and Brainstrom DJ Set excellent. HW remixes. Anyone got a tape! > The Aphex Twin was at this too - I seem to recall > 94 Salt Tank - okay, a pity but we were all expecting the Orb > > Dave I will admit I lost interest in the Hawks for a while and in fact didn't see them live after '89, until Croydon last year. When the support band was of course Harvey. Can anyone give a bit more detail on the support band at the Hawkestra as like most people I was still standing in the bloody queue while they were on. -- Nick Medford From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Nov 5 11:47:28 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:47:28 +0100 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: Johnny Firic wrote: > > > How does it compare sound wise to other MM albums? Can you > > > compare it to other discs? > > > >Soundwise it?s better than Superjudge but not as good as Powertrip. Some > >very > >good swooshy synth effects in full stereo can be heard though. > >Hope that helps. > > > >Andreas > > Ugh - I couldn't _disagree_ more. "Dopes to infinity" vs. "Powertrip" is > just like "Secret Treaties" vs. "Agents of fortune". "Dopes" is one of THE > albums for me, it just has everything. The question was about the sound quality, not about the music itself. Musically speaking "Dopes" is indeed better, and of course it?s much heavier. The thing is that it has an absolutely crap sound. In fact it?s so bad that I can hardly enjoy listening to it. Same with all the albums before. And that?s why I prefer to listen to "Powertrip" which at least is a very fine production. Tastes vary anyway. But sound quality is a very important thing to me. Andreas (who is on both the HW and BOC sides) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 5 13:56:52 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:56:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Actually.........on going through all these tapes for the Krel compilation we're working on, some of the live stuff from that period is a tad dodgy I have to admit, but PROG?? Hmmm...not so sure about that. Anyway, we'll keep trawling through the tapes. Actually listened to Krel's 'Ad Astra' for the first time in a year or so the other day, and it sounds silly to say so (as it's my label) but what a bloody superb album this is - no wonder it's still selling on its second pressing. Our 'best of' thing is going to HAVE to be good to follow that.. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > 88/87? Krel (average prog (now preparing to duck the incoming post from Andy > > G)) > > 89/90? From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 14:12:45 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 19:12:45 -0000 Subject: HW:Yuri Gagarin Message-ID: Hello folks, Here is a question for you............. Does anyone know how many times, Bring me the Head of Y G. has been released, including releases under other titles? HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HW According to the discog. at http://www.adawson.clara.net//bring-me.html As "Bring Me the head of YG" Vinyl Album U.K Demi Monde DM 002 Jan 1985 Compact disc U.K/France Decal CDCHARLY 40 Nov 1986 Compact disc U.K/USA/Germany Thunderbolt CDTB 101 Jan 1993 Compact disc USA Magnum America MACD 040 Mar 1996 CD digipak France Spalax Music SPALAXCD14846 ??? 1996 AS part of "Welcome to the Future" box: Compact disc UK Dressed to Kill CLP0220-2 Feb 1998 As "Live": Compact disc U.K Brilliant BT 33032 Mar 2000 As "Year 2000:Codename Hawkwind volume Two Alive from the Darkside": Compact disc U.K Burning Airlines PILOT 64 Sep 2000 Beats grading midterms! Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And philosophy is wont, in fact, not infrequently, to convert itself into a kind of art of spiritual pimping.And sometimes into an opiate for lulling sorrows to sleep." - Unamuno, _Tragic Sense of Life_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Nov 5 16:48:01 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 21:48:01 -0000 Subject: new member of hawkwind? Message-ID: after looking at hawkwinds website i'm wondering has keith kniveton joined hawkwind? colm From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 17:33:13 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:33:13 -0000 Subject: Glitch Message-ID: Has there been a problem on the list? I've made a number of postings - but they haven't appeared. Strangely Andy G seems to have replied!! 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They did do a crowd-pleasing version of Overkill though. -- Nick Medford From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Sun Nov 5 18:18:50 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:18:50 +1100 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: 1977-Bethnal - punk/rock with a violin- Played a version of the who's "Baba O'Reilly" - Very good 1978-Patrick Fitzgerald- punk solo singer - crap ,there was a different support band at Reading & Portsmouth , but cant remember which one - the Reading gig was very good & on Guy Fawkes night spent 10mins with the band throwing miniature fireworks(snap its?) against the road crew in the downstairs bar area - Mr Calvert thought this was very funny,but joined in as well. 1979-Doll by Doll - enough has been said, but Jackie Levin was here a few months ago, and was getting some pretty good reviews. There was a tour where the Ozrics played on the first night at St Albans or Dunstable ? I was pretty pissed off, since I thought that they were the support for the whole tour,and instead went down the pub. regards Marty From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 18:25:17 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:25:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Medford writes >Once read an interview with him in The Organ (does that still exist?) Yes, Sean still does Organ. He's on the Cardiacs list and around. It's a label too, these days. There's a site somewhere, um ... -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 18:20:50 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:20:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Support Bands # 2 (Doll By Doll) In-Reply-To: <000f01c04730$2c037400$b54e893e@default> Message-ID: In article <000f01c04730$2c037400$b54e893e at default>, david hall writes > I saw Doll By Doll supporting in 79: > A snippet of the patter: > Audience: F*** off > Jackie Leven: This is a new song > > Song > > J.L.: Did you enjoy that > Audience: F*** off > J.L: We're booked to play thirty minutes, and thirty minutes we > shall play ah, but they did walk off after about fours songs, didn't they? Next year at the Odeon, it was Vardis who got the same treatment. They did get a cheer though, when Steve Zodiac said you couldn't get rid off them so easy because "they weren't Doll by Doll!" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 18:39:40 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:39:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <5D01E8305096D3119D7D00508B5EBBF404C9B4A4@ntmsg0133.corpmail.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: In article <5D01E8305096D3119D7D00508B5EBBF404C9B4A4 at ntmsg0133.corpmail. telstra.com.au>, Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA] writes >1978-Patrick Fitzgerald- punk solo singer - crap IMHO Punk poet, pretty good at the time. -- Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 5 18:41:52 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:41:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Nick Medford wrote: => were later, maybe '88. In '86 there was bloody awful glam-rock band whose => name (perhaps mercifully) escapes me. They did do a crowd-pleasing version => of Overkill though. They were The Babysitters. I caught them supporting Hawkwind at the Malvern Winter Gardens. They did "Overkill," and it was a big crowd pleaser, but I'm not sure if that was just because it was the last number of their set... :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 18:53:14 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:53:14 -0000 Subject: HW:Yuri Gagarin - yet more Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: HW:Yuri Gagarin Hello folks, Here is a question for you............. Does anyone know how many times, Bring me the Head of Y G. has been released, including releases under other titles? HW ============================================== Here are a few more (some of which are additional to the previous list I think?). Although note that Early Daze and its reissue only contain part of the Yuri Gagarin set - just to make things a bit more complicated! jill ========= 1985 Live '70/'73 (Castle Dojo) [live early tracks] - vinyl [reissued as Welcome To The Future] In The Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome To The Future Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack Seven By Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On A Sundown ====================================== 1985 Welcome To The Future (Mausoleum Records) - vinyl [reissue of Live '70/'73] In the Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome to the Future Master of the Universe Sonic Attack Seven by Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On Sundown ========================================= 1987 Early Daze (Thunderbolt) (Early live tracks all previously reissued) - vinyl Hurry on Sundown (Brock) Dreaming (Brock) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Gaga In the Egg (Calvert) Orgone Accumulator (Brock/Calvert) Sonic Attack (Moorcock) Silver Machine (Brock/Calvert) ==================================== 1994(?) Silver Machine [Legend CD] (Probably a reissue of Early Daze CD) Hurry On Sundown You Know You're Only Dreaming Master Of The Universe Gaga (doesn't appear in track list) In The Egg Orgone Accumulator Sonic Attack Silver Machine ======================================================== From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Nov 5 19:11:10 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:11:10 -0000 Subject: hawkwind passpoerts Message-ID: hi again because of the xmas gig i decided to send off for a hawkwind passport about a week and a half ago. From other peoples expiriences how long does it usually take to get them processed and sent back? cheers colm From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Nov 5 19:13:04 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:13:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: read somewhere that yechno/trance group "eskimos and egypt" have supported hawkwind. anyone confirm this ?? colm -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 05 November 2000 23:44 Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach >On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Nick Medford wrote: > >=> were later, maybe '88. In '86 there was bloody awful glam-rock band whose >=> name (perhaps mercifully) escapes me. They did do a crowd-pleasing version >=> of Overkill though. > >They were The Babysitters. I caught them supporting Hawkwind at the >Malvern Winter Gardens. They did "Overkill," and it was a big crowd >pleaser, but I'm not sure if that was just because it was the last >number of their set... :-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From rdc at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Nov 5 19:25:44 2000 From: rdc at NTLWORLD.COM (Richard Crossley) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:25:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <83GMLGAdxeB6EwcB@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > There was a tour where the Ozrics played on the first night at St Albans or > Dunstable ? Pretty certain that was St.Albans. > Yes, Sean still does Organ. He's on the Cardiacs list and around. > It's a label too, these days. There's a site somewhere, um ... http://www.organart.com Richard. From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Sun Nov 5 19:37:12 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:37:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Support Bands # 2 (Doll By Doll) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes......I remember seeing Doll by Doll supporting HW @ the Hammersmith Odeon in either 79 or 80. They were sheer crap and were being severely heckled by the audience. Then...during one of the numbers the lead singer started either smooching or snogging with one of the guitarists. Definetely NOT a HW crowd pleaser and jeers,hisses and some objects started hurtling to the band.......................At this point, the drummer lost his temper and kicked his kit to pieces and then a fight ensued on stage between the lead singer and another member of the band or roadie ( I think ? ), before the other roadies & security moved in to break things up and clear the stage. It was a good (albeit unusual) climax to a very bad support act that had all of the audience cheering on the proceedings. mel From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 5 20:52:43 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:22:43 +1030 Subject: OFF: Eeeeek Message-ID: Sounds like sound advice. Moderation is the key Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Lee To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 2:27 AM Subject: OFF: Eeeeek > Arin, > > This should raise about 3 zillion responses judging by recent > threads - However FWIW, if you REALLY want to try new > experiences > > 1) Stay away from anything addictive !! > > 2) Find a friend you KNOW has experince with the chemical of > your choice. > > 3) Be open-minded - most hallucinogens seem to work based > on current state of mind at the start of the experince. ie if your > depressed you'll get more depressed, scared you'll get scareder (sp) > etc. > > 4) Find an environment in which you are totally comfartable > and familiar - Home in the garden, lounge etc. > > 5) Everybody reacts differently to every substance there is > so start with the smallest dose, NOT the dose your friends > who use normally do !! > > 6) If you work anywhere where you risk Drug-Testing make sure you > are aware of the period required for the drug to be COMPLETELY > metabolised - Cannabis for example can be detected for 2-3 > weeks after use. Depends on your metabolic rate. > > I'll probably get some stick as well now, I am not in any > way advocating the use of any substance - I do what I do > when I want and out of choice, so should all other free > thinking people. > > For the record, Psylocibin (Cubensis), Sativa, Marijuana, > Cannabis and three or four times a year Amphetamine Sulphate, > Alchohol, Tobacco and most of the E numbers you get in food !!! > I've tried LSD a few times, snorted some Coke (twice) and the > old Benylin trick, used to be Phenser years ago. Never put a needle > near myself and never will. > > maybe one day I'll try some of the other stuff out there, I would > actually like to try Peyote, also saw an interesting prog about > a drug called Ibogain (sp) being tested in the States, looked > kinda fun. > > Anyway, 'nuff off-topic stuff for me, it's Sunday and I've got > work to do, then it's off home for cold-turkey :) > > Mark (Hasbeen) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:44:38 -0600 > From: Arin Komins > Subject: OFF: drugs > > So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard > caffeine, etc.) > > I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty > depressive experience for me.) > > But I've always wanted to. > > But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've > got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing > (at least judging by my collector instincts). > > Any advice from the list? good drugs to try, ones to stay > away from? good environment for a first trip? > > (also...does anyone have a good pointer for how long various drugs > stick around in one's system? I've done drug tests for work > before, and don't want to sabotage potential jobs.....) > > Arin > > ----- End ----- > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 5 20:56:20 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:26:20 +1030 Subject: Glitch Message-ID: > Has there been a problem on the list? I've made a number of postings - but they >haven't appeared. Strangely Andy G seems to have replied!! ----- Original Message ----- Hello? Can you read me? mb From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:03 AM Subject: Glitch Has there been a problem on the list? I've made a number of postings - but they haven't appeared. Strangely Andy G seems to have replied!! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Nov 5 22:20:30 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 22:20:30 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Legends of NY Message-ID: By the way for all you hep cats, If you pick up David Roter Methods "they Made Me", the way cool homage to NY's "friendly folk" in on it. and was in the vid. Good tune lyrically and tight dummin' with cool sax solo a la ON the Road again! In other news, the Dictators website has a page or so dedicated to saying how cool R.Meltzer is,with the lyrics of "on the road again" on the site. Paid Wed., ordering Thurs. God bless capitalism! Jason From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Mon Nov 6 00:54:32 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:54:32 +1100 Subject: HW: Support Bands Message-ID: >Next year at the Odeon, it was Vardis who got the same treatment. >They did get a cheer though, when Steve Zodiac said you couldn't get rid >off them so easy because "they weren't Doll by Doll!" Didn't they play Silver Machine ? and the singer was the bloke with the talcum powder in his hair . And there's screetch rock !! or whatever they were called. Marty From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 04:08:52 2000 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:08:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Support Bands Message-ID: >>Next year at the Odeon, it was Vardis who got the same treatment. >>They did get a cheer though, when Steve Zodiac said you couldn't get >rid >>off them so easy because "they weren't Doll by Doll!" > >Didn't they play Silver Machine ? and the singer was the bloke with the >talcum powder in his hair . That was indeed Steve Zodiac. I can't remember them playing Silver Machine though they did, of course, release a cover of it later. I rather liked Vardis. Their first album, recorded live, is a pretty good representation of how they sounded then - "guaranteed no overdubs!" - Alun >And there's screetch rock !! or whatever they were called. > > >Marty From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 04:03:41 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:03:41 -0000 Subject: OFF: Drink n Drugs Message-ID: Or worse, a video of "The Wall" the movie AAAAAAAAAGH! ChrisW Now extremely poor after a Hawksplurge in HMV > -----Original Message----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI [mailto:andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM] > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Drink n Drugs > > > yeh - you could be stuck in a room with just a copy of Pink Floyd's > 'The Wall' for company - and sober!!! > Andy Garibaldi. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Duffy" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Drink n Drugs > > > > > Drugs - Tried Hawks straight and not-straight, it's a > > > question of personal choice in my opinion - but I'd > > > disagree with anyone who says you NEED to be > > > out of your face to enjoy the music. > > > > > The only sort of music you need to be off your face to enjoy would > > be those multitude of 'boy bands' that exist! > > Then again, it may even be worse? > > William > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many outsiders > > considered that they must have used LSD at some point in the creative/ideas > > process in order to conceive some of the complex evolving imagery used in > > Fantasia. However...they maintained that this was > simply not the case and > > that they'd simply trained their minds to think/imagine a certain way in > > developing the visual ideas. > > > ==== > 'Fantasia' was pre-acid, anyway...1940? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SHLL at NOVO.DK Mon Nov 6 05:13:12 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:13:12 +0100 Subject: HW:Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: Hej, Can someone out there clear up something about Space Ritual Vol.2 for me... Am I correct that this is from the same exact concerts as the Space Ritual release but that it has extended versions of Time we left and a couple of other tracks? Did we ever find out why on the remastered Space Ritual the whole Time we left was not included? Thanks. scott ObCD- Ole Lukk?ye- Crystal Crowbar (Russia 2000) From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Nov 6 05:29:38 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:29:38 +0100 Subject: AW: Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: Hi Scott >Can someone out there clear up something about Space Ritual Vol.2 >for me... Am I correct that this is from the same exact concerts as the >Space Ritual release but that it has extended versions of Time we left and a >couple of other tracks? Did we ever find out why on the remastered Space >Ritual the whole Time we left was not included? The stuff for SPACE RITUAL was recorded on 2 different days and venues - Liverpool, 22.12.1972 - London, 30.12.1972 Space Ritual I is a mixture of both gigs Space Ritual II is only from London 30.12.1972 At least two tracks are different: TIME WE LEFT, ORGONE ACCUMULATOR Most of the other tracks are absolute identical (Brainstorm on SRII is complete) Therefore you can say that at least the 2 tracks above are from LIVERPOOL and the other tracks from LONDON Hope that helps Bernhard > From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 05:27:27 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:27:27 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Interesting... I saw Doll By Doll somewhere around 20 years ago as a support act tosomebody (don't recall who exactly... maybe Deke Leonard or Man), and thought they weren't very appropriate/enjoyable. I have wondered more recently if I misjudged them, since I'm quite a fan of Jackie Leven's solo work; I'd be quite interested in anybody else's views on the subject. And yes, I like Pere Ubu too... understandable them having DBD as a support since Jackie & David Thomas have worked together a fair bit. ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Medford [mailto:nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK] > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > > In message <000301c04736$30e69dc0$9036883e at default>, david hall > writes > > > 79 Doll By Doll - shite > > I actually saw a reformed version of this band supporting > Pere Ubu at the > QEH about 3 years ago (anyone else here like Ubu??) Didn't > think much of > them, have never understood why they have such critical acclaim. Can't > imagine them playing their reflective pop ditties in front of > a Hawkwind > crowd, must've been ugly. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 05:53:34 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:53:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Support Bands Message-ID: Does anyone remember Wildfire, an 80s support band. We remember having to use earplugs when they were on. Think they played Jerusalem or something.............. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alun Hughes To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: HW: Support Bands > >>Next year at the Odeon, it was Vardis who got the same treatment. > >>They did get a cheer though, when Steve Zodiac said you couldn't get > >rid > >>off them so easy because "they weren't Doll by Doll!" > > > >Didn't they play Silver Machine ? and the singer was the bloke with the > >talcum powder in his hair . > > That was indeed Steve Zodiac. I can't remember them playing Silver Machine > though they did, of course, release a cover of it later. > > I rather liked Vardis. Their first album, recorded live, is a pretty good > representation of how they sounded then - "guaranteed no overdubs!" > > - Alun > > > > > >And there's screetch rock !! or whatever they were called. > > > > > >Marty > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 05:56:14 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 05:56:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:41:52 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >They were The Babysitters. I caught them supporting Hawkwind at the >Malvern Winter Gardens. They did "Overkill," and it was a big crowd >pleaser, but I'm not sure if that was just because it was the last >number of their set... :-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > Ah yes... the Babysitters. How could I forget. Actually I think they have to be the worst support act I've seen at a Hawkgig- even worse than Dr and the Medics. Nick M From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 6 06:10:22 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:10:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: I've got the Babysitters first album somewhere - it's fantastic (if you're prepared for a good laugh!) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:41:52 -0500, Paul Mather > wrote: > > >They were The Babysitters. I caught them supporting Hawkwind at the > >Malvern Winter Gardens. They did "Overkill," and it was a big crowd > >pleaser, but I'm not sure if that was just because it was the last > >number of their set... :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > > Ah yes... the Babysitters. How could I forget. Actually I think they have > to be the worst support act I've seen at a Hawkgig- even worse than Dr and > the Medics. > > Nick M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 6 06:08:20 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:08:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra Message-ID: The lightshow was operated by Jasper (of Fruit Salad Lights fame). As seen at plenty of Porcy's gigs too! I had a long chat with him before the show. Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: 26 October 2000 22:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Hawkestra Nick said... >Someone speculated that the guy in front of Tim Blake might have been >Keith Hale but surely it was Jon "Liquid Len" Smeeton operating the >lightshow projections. No, I think it was Keith Hale...I think he was introduced as such. And I'm pretty sure that Liquid Len pulled out (too much money I heard), and that it was Jen and Pogle (Fruit Salad, or whatever they're called) of Ozrics' fame. Sure looked familiar to me from the first US Ozrics tour of the early 90s. >It is pretty amusing that none of us is sure what they saw and heard but I >think this was one of those occasions where if you remember it exactly, then >you weren't really there! As far as DikMik is concerned, I clearly heard some '6 million dollar man' type choppy synth effects that I've only ever heard on Space Ritual, so his presence was pretty obvious to me. Del I never knew was up there until the very end, as I couldn't see behind the PA on stage right, due to where I was standing. Did Mick Slattery actually play? I only saw him come out for a bow. And did Terry Ollis only play on the Hurry On Sundown/Dreaming piece? I couldn't see who was playing Richard's kit most of the time, 'cause the person's face was entirely covered by a large crash cymbal. Grakkl (FAA) From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 6 06:27:06 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:27:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: David - on behalf of Andy Gb, I'm going to arrange for your execution - heresey is still a capital offence old chap! (Do you prefer beheading or hanging?) I recall seeing somewhere, that Dave B. listed Krel as one of his top 2 favourite bands - can't think where I saw it! Seriously, you may have seen Krel on a dodgy night, (eg Hemel Hempstead May1992) but I aslo saw them 4 other times on the Teepee tour, and they were awesome - definately not "Average Prog!" I'd say seriously brilliant space-blanga is a better description. They also supported on a couple of warm-up gigs, at the end of 1991, (York barbican, and a.n.other) Guy T. PS - top tip - go and buy Ad Astra, from CDS - best spacecrock CD of 1997. Do that and and we'll commute your sentence to life! (Well - life spent listening to HW and Krel anyway!) -----Original Message----- From: david hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: 05 November 2000 14:37 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Hawkwind fans have also had the reputation of being hard on the support acts (sometimes unfairly so -often not) My memory is hazy but here are the supporting acts I've seen (or are worth remembering - for good or ill): 79 Doll By Doll - shite 80 Vardis - average metal 81? Baron Rojo - dear o dear 82? Mama's Boys - they were good (in the Thin Lizzy tradition, the guitarist whipped out a violin bow and played the guitar Jimmy Page style, which resulted in abuse from the audience; gobs were rapidly shut when he whipped out the violin and let it rip...probably the best reaction to a HW support band I've seen ...apart from Daevid Allen) 83 ? 84 Bronz - crap (I met Nik during this tour, of the support he said "they're beginning to sound like us"- which is probably the most bizarre thing the Thunder Rider has said or done). 85 ? 86? Tubulah Dog (average free-festival fare; until blinding version of the UFO theme tune complete with back projection of the opening credits of the TV series- hurrah) 88/87? Krel (average prog (now preparing to duck the incoming post from Andy G)) 89/90? 91? Daevid Allen and the Magick Brothers (bloody brilliant mate Strong and Steaming stuff from the Dingo Virgin aka Divided Alien - Gong and Hawkwind were supposed to do a combined US tour after this.....I met Trev Hughes again at the Glasgow gig and said "Daevid Allen has had too much dope" Trev said this, Trev!) Dave Brock picks up the gliss guitar from the Alien. 93? Twitch and Brainstrom DJ Set excellent. HW remixes. Anyone got a tape! The Aphex Twin was at this too - I seem to recall 94 Salt Tank - okay, a pity but we were all expecting the Orb Dave From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 6 06:28:26 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:28:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: Dead Fred Message-ID: Didn't think that Dead Fred was there Ben! The first band was called (I think) "The Fighting Cocks" !!!!!!!!! Guy -----Original Message----- From: linuxchaos [mailto:linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK] Sent: 05 November 2000 15:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: OFF: Dead Fred Has anyone got a recording of Dead Freds set opening (first band) at the Hawkestra? Ben From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 06:40:59 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:40:59 GMT Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > That being said, it's probably a very very good idea for anyone with a > record of mental instability to avoid LSD and other psychedelics. Also people with any family history of mental troubles like schizophrenia. There's evidence that it's genetically linked and there's evidence that psychedelics can promote full blown episodes in people who are merely susceptible, even if they've never shown symptoms. > >I'd also consider the morality of submitting to drug testing. While it > >may be convenient for any one person, it encourages this kind of > >intrusive authoritarianism every time anyone acquiesces. > > I've thought about this quite a bit. Just the *concept* of having to piss > in a jar as a job requirement sounds really messed up to me. Fortunately, > I've never had to face that, but if it were the case, I'd be very tempted > to withdraw my job application on principle. Just to be clear: I'm not against *impairment* testing on principle. Indeed I believe there are jobs such as surgeon or airline pilot where it ought to be mandatory. However it should be impairment rather than drug testing. The idea is to identify people who aren't fit to work on any given day rather than to merely conduct a pogrom against users of some drugs. Impairment testing such as hand-eye coordination and reaction time testing would also detect those people with a hangover, or who were merely too tired after a late night looking after kids or arguing with a spouse, and also those unfit through duly prescribed medical drugs, of whom there are a lot more than users of illicit drugs. Just to be very clear: I feel exactly the same about fitness testing for drivers. > Of course, I'm sure that most > of my past and present employers have realized that if they implemented > mandatory testing and had to fire everyone who came out positive, they'd be > losing most of their competent employees ... A major reason why the pogrom hasn't taken off in Britain, despite the wishes of various of the control freak tendency. > >Not that it'd matter if things get as weird as some yank authorities > >would like. > > Yes, that's my Senator, Dianne Feinstein (damn! I should at least know how > to spell her name!) That's correct. > who wants to make it illegal to DISCUSS controlled > substances on the Internet. Perhaps someone could send her a copy of your Constitution and underline the First Amendment? > -Doug FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 6 07:16:53 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:16:53 -0500 Subject: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:04 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. > > At 01:44 11.4.00 -0500, you wrote: > >Set: > The band was insanely tight this evening. came on stage happy and smiling > and highfiving the crowd. Alan "I have come to suck your blood" Lanier was > rather animated and having fun. > > >This Aint the summer of love > Is what it was. Stood on the Alan /eric side of stage so VBuck for the > most > of the night wasn't super present soundwise. > > > before the kiss > Good, Danny M's bass break was tasty. > >Bucks Boogie > Didn't QUITE swing, but Rondinelli (despite the throwback hair) has > startened to get away from hitting the beat. good) > >Flaming Telepaths > First time I've seen this, and it waz impressive. I hear some boots of the > tune and was sadly underwhelmed, but they brought it all together with > punch. > The end wind up didnt quite wind up the trhottle, but still cant > complain! > >Take Me Away > Unexpected. got better. > > >Cities on Flame > Very slow take on the tune, and Lanier stepped out with guitar for the end > solo run, which I didnt expect. > > >Teen Archer > GOOD solos from Lanier and Buck (as always). and buck held out the end > "she > dont carrrrrrre" for as long as the recorded version seemed to hold it out > too. Much impressed. Buck seemed to be playign with more warbles in his > notes than the typical super spidery shred he does. > > >Pocket > Good, possibly marektable Buckpop number with nice soloing end section. > Worked well leading into the > >Vigil > Last saw this in buffalo several years ago, and this time it was much more > together, made the Come to us section quite heavy as all BO should be > (hehe) with a sterling solo section by Buck come to think of it, a lot of > it was buck solo room setwise. the unison guitar figure he and Lanier do > at the end was dead on. kudos. > > >Unknown Tongue > Nice, punchy take with piano solo the band really was paying attnetion to > playing and having fun that night. > > >Astronomy > The band seemed to make it funkier than I've heard them try to do it in > the past (esp. the runs right before "hey" chords), and more of an effort > in the kybds. to do stuff in the song. Since I havent said it yet, Ill say > it now. THE band was very good vocally, unison and lead. Erics cvoice is > completely back to being eric. > > >Godzilla > good bass solo. well tempered. Drum solo was short enough to be good, and > played well. another sense of increasing funk swagger in the playing of > this tune. Lanier was hamming it up well with the audience immediately in > front of him. > > > >Reaper > the unnamed guitar solo was the best evidence that buck is back to playign > with swing. he had a good momentum on it that the > diffuse-brian-may-delay-pedal-extravaganza normally heard. > Bad point: due to the COWBELL, an enterprising audient played the thing > all > th e way through the tune, and didnt stop when the band broke into the end > soloing section, throwing off the quick coolness of the "gil blanco > county" > end run. > Danny Miranda was annoyed at the dude too as he prteneded to hit eric with > an invisible drum stick (or cowbell banging device, since it was invisible > who knows!) > >---encore: > >Burning for You > The one real dissapointment in the show, because its NOT an encore tune. > Either way they still rocked as good boys should. > > Astounded over all by the variety of the set list, even eric made a coment > about keeping the shows fresh (bout )(*&(*& time he realized it hehe). > > Jason > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to > hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I > don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 6 06:23:23 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:23:23 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <000501c0452e$c9d70ce0$a39cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 19:14, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any > good,let me know, please. Andy Garibaldi. The opening act was Bad Karma, aka Dave Smith and Bad Karma. They were a bizzare looking lot. A power trio. The drummer was more or less normal looking. The Bassist and Guitarist were big fat guys, the bassist with a shaved head and the biggest stovepipe top hat in the universe. These guys are not muchachos. But they were seasoned veterans, who rocked hard. They played original material, kinda ZZ Top-inspired, I guess. I'd definitely see them on their own, and would be inclined to pick up any CDs of theirs... theo From SHLL at NOVO.DK Mon Nov 6 07:21:14 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 13:21:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview Message-ID: Hej, Just to let people know. I have arranged to have the opportunity to interview Lemmy on Nov 15th when Motorhead visits Denmark. I told them in advance that I wanted to talk to him about his recent hawkwind experience as well as the his new book, White Line Fever and the 25th Anniversry Motorhead show. He has agreed aparrently. The interviews will be posted up at Aural Innovations (www.aural-innovations) and a new one line Danish zine called the Mad Scientist (www.madscientist.dk). The Mad SCientist site is not really up and running yet but we hope to have it going by the end of the month with local recordings of the bands that come through town as well as pics and interviews of danish artists and others. Also, a quick note about my record label, Burnt Hippie Recordings. We will release the Dark Sun- Ice Ritual Live with Nik Turner on CD in January 2001. This will include one track not on the LP, which is the studio track Dream Circuit, which includes Nik Turner. You will be able to buy it from CDS (Andy G). Buy it from him. please. scott ObCD- Hawkwind- Live at Glastonbury 1990 From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 6 07:23:01 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:23:01 -0500 Subject: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. Message-ID: Humorous notes: Right after Pocket, Eric says (sitting at the keyboard), "Lets do the Vigil, it fits right in" After the song, he laughs, "Boy they hate it when I change the set list in the middle." Funny, I actually though Bad Kharma was rather good. Considering the last opening act I say at the Northen Lights (2 years ago) -- Attica. That's an act aptly named -- should only be play in airplanes and prisons - where the audience cannot get away. Sure we got to vote - but did they pick Veterans? No-o-o-o-o. grumble, grumble, grumble. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:04 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. > > At 01:44 11.4.00 -0500, you wrote: > >Set: > The band was insanely tight this evening. came on stage happy and smiling > and highfiving the crowd. Alan "I have come to suck your blood" Lanier was > rather animated and having fun. > > >This Aint the summer of love > Is what it was. Stood on the Alan /eric side of stage so VBuck for the > most > of the night wasn't super present soundwise. > > > before the kiss > Good, Danny M's bass break was tasty. > >Bucks Boogie > Didn't QUITE swing, but Rondinelli (despite the throwback hair) has > startened to get away from hitting the beat. good) > >Flaming Telepaths > First time I've seen this, and it waz impressive. I hear some boots of the > tune and was sadly underwhelmed, but they brought it all together with > punch. > The end wind up didnt quite wind up the trhottle, but still cant > complain! > >Take Me Away > Unexpected. got better. > > >Cities on Flame > Very slow take on the tune, and Lanier stepped out with guitar for the end > solo run, which I didnt expect. > > >Teen Archer > GOOD solos from Lanier and Buck (as always). and buck held out the end > "she > dont carrrrrrre" for as long as the recorded version seemed to hold it out > too. Much impressed. Buck seemed to be playign with more warbles in his > notes than the typical super spidery shred he does. > > >Pocket > Good, possibly marektable Buckpop number with nice soloing end section. > Worked well leading into the > >Vigil > Last saw this in buffalo several years ago, and this time it was much more > together, made the Come to us section quite heavy as all BO should be > (hehe) with a sterling solo section by Buck come to think of it, a lot of > it was buck solo room setwise. the unison guitar figure he and Lanier do > at the end was dead on. kudos. > > >Unknown Tongue > Nice, punchy take with piano solo the band really was paying attnetion to > playing and having fun that night. > > >Astronomy > The band seemed to make it funkier than I've heard them try to do it in > the past (esp. the runs right before "hey" chords), and more of an effort > in the kybds. to do stuff in the song. Since I havent said it yet, Ill say > it now. THE band was very good vocally, unison and lead. Erics cvoice is > completely back to being eric. > > >Godzilla > good bass solo. well tempered. Drum solo was short enough to be good, and > played well. another sense of increasing funk swagger in the playing of > this tune. Lanier was hamming it up well with the audience immediately in > front of him. > > > >Reaper > the unnamed guitar solo was the best evidence that buck is back to playign > with swing. he had a good momentum on it that the > diffuse-brian-may-delay-pedal-extravaganza normally heard. > Bad point: due to the COWBELL, an enterprising audient played the thing > all > th e way through the tune, and didnt stop when the band broke into the end > soloing section, throwing off the quick coolness of the "gil blanco > county" > end run. > Danny Miranda was annoyed at the dude too as he prteneded to hit eric with > an invisible drum stick (or cowbell banging device, since it was invisible > who knows!) > >---encore: > >Burning for You > The one real dissapointment in the show, because its NOT an encore tune. > Either way they still rocked as good boys should. > > Astounded over all by the variety of the set list, even eric made a coment > about keeping the shows fresh (bout )(*&(*& time he realized it hehe). > > Jason > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to > hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I > don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 6 06:39:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:39:35 EDT Subject: BOC: We are BOC, born to kick your ass. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001104160358.0068fc58@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On 4 Nov 00, at 16:03, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >> >This Aint the summer of love > Is what it was. Stood on the Alan /eric side of stage so VBuck for the > most of the night wasn't super present soundwise. You can never hear BD up front--even standing right in front of him. The best place to hear Buck is by standing back 25 feet or so. After I moved back a bit, I could hear him very well... Flaming Telepaths > First time I've seen this, and it waz impressive. I hear some boots of > the tune and was sadly underwhelmed, but they brought it all together > with punch. The end wind up didnt quite wind up the trhottle, but > still cant complain! Not the best version. Song hurt by lack of the strobe light, and yes, the blistering ending I'm used to didn't materialize. Still, a tune I always look forward to... > >Teen Archer > GOOD solos from Lanier and Buck (as always). and buck held out the end > "she dont carrrrrrre" for as long as the recorded version seemed to > hold it out too. Much impressed. Buck seemed to be playign with more > warbles in his notes than the typical super spidery shred he does. > Not sure I agree with the last part, but I was transported by finally hearing this tune live. A superb performance, and it's obvious that this song should be a regular feature of the set. Works very well live... > >Pocket > Good, possibly marektable Buckpop number with nice soloing end > section. the sound was really so bad that I had a hard time getting much out of this one. Agreed that it has potential. Can't wait to hear it on CD... > >Astronomy > The band seemed to make it funkier than I've heard them try to do it > in the past (esp. the runs right before "hey" chords), and more of an > effort in the kybds. to do stuff in the song. Since I havent said it > yet, Ill say it now. THE band was very good vocally, unison and lead. > Erics cvoice is completely back to being eric. > Damn! AStronomy, Telepaths and Teen Archer in one show! > >Reaper > the unnamed guitar solo was the best evidence that buck is back to > playign with swing. he had a good momentum on it that the > diffuse-brian-may-delay-pedal-extravaganza normally heard. Bad point: > due to the COWBELL, an enterprising audient played the thing all th e > way through the tune, and didnt stop when the band broke into the end > soloing section, throwing off the quick coolness of the "gil blanco > county" end run. Danny Miranda was annoyed at the dude too as he > prteneded to hit eric with an invisible drum stick (or cowbell banging > device, since it was invisible who knows!) Must've pissed off EB, cause he said at one point: '...You can never have too much cowbell...' with pointed sarcasm... >---encore: >Burning for > You The one real dissapointment in the show, because its NOT an encore > tune. Either way they still rocked as good boys should. > Yeah, would've been okay if it hadn't been the only encore tune. Kind of a disappointment... theo From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 07:43:55 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:43:55 +0000 Subject: Xmas Party Message-ID: Got my ticket in my hand! Ticket No:2 Hoorah! All I need now is my passport returning :-) Keef From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 6 07:10:11 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:10:11 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <20001103004639.28195.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 00, at 16:46, Joseph Sardo wrote: > Darn, Ted Junior. I can be at Ravenswood about, eh, I > dunno because I have to pick up so many people. But > I'll be at the Ravenwood before 8:00 pm for sure. > > JS, We went to Ravenswood, but the place was packed shoulder to shoulder! This is a family restaurant, and Friday night it was packed. So we just went to Northern Lights. Place was empty, so me and Jim just hung out and threw darts for an hour or so. Sorry to have missed you. Got to meet Mike Habiby, a good dude for sure. Pleasure to make your acquaintance, Mike. Great to see Brian and Jason again--it's been a while. Said hello to Russ Hall, too. Great time had by all! theo 1 > --- "Ted Jackson jr." > wrote: > > On 2 Nov 00, at 10:54, Joseph Sardo wrote: > > > > > > > We can all meet at a place called RAVENSWOOD - a > > > bar/resturant across the plaza where NL is, behind > > a > > > mobile station across from Price Chopper. > > > > > Joe, what time are you showing up? It's pretty > > convenient to have > > another bar close by where you can get a drink > > without costing an > > arm and a leg, and to escape the noise from the bar > > waiting for BOC. > > How will we recognize you? > > > > theo > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 09:13:04 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:13:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:25:44 -0000, Richard Crossley wrote: > >> Yes, Sean still does Organ. He's on the Cardiacs list and around. >> It's a label too, these days. There's a site somewhere, um ... > >http://www.organart.com > >Richard. Blimey! Impressive website... it HAS moved on. I remember it as a cut-and- paste (in the literal sense, nothing to do with computers) fanzine in the late 80s. It was always packed with content, though I never liked the hardcore thrash stuff that got lots of coverage. I remember Sean and his lady friend were huge Cardiacs fans so makes sense he'd be on that list. NM From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 09:27:02 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:27:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <200011061056.FAA02826@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200011061056.FAA02826 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford writes >even worse than Dr and >the Medics. ah, they had their moments. Anyone read Zodiac Mindwarps auto-biog? There's a good Medics story in there! "Knockin' at the door! Knockin' at the door!" -- Jon From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 6 09:35:08 2000 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:35:08 GMT Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Hi! In ?85 it was Dumpy?s Rusty Nuts and in ?86 the support act was The Babysitters. Juba >Having dredged the memory bank a bit more I'm pretty sure Tubilah Dog >were later, maybe '88. In '86 there was bloody awful glam-rock band whose >name (perhaps mercifully) escapes me. They did do a crowd-pleasing version >of Overkill though. >-- >Nick Medford _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 6 11:23:57 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:23:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: >> 86? Tubulah Dog (average free-festival fare; until blinding version of the UFO >> theme tune complete with back projection of the opening credits of the TV series- >> hurrah) > Comedy rock outfit the Babysitters supported in '86 T-Dog didn't support unitl '88 (Spring tour) >Yeah that's how I remember it too. And didn't they do a cover of Hillage's >Electrick Gypsies? > >> 88/87? Krel (average prog (now preparing to duck the incoming post from Andy >> G)) >> 89/90? > >'89 was a reggae outfit called Connecting Routes. Hardly anyone bothered to >watch them, I did 'cos I was hugely into dub reggae at the time, but even so >I didn't think much of them. These guys did some of the Winter '88 tour with other bands such as Screeech Rock and the Rythmites tunrning up at other gigs. They also did the Stonhenge or Bust tour in early '89. The winter '89 tour saw a selection of free festival type bands playing with Ron Tree's Bastard supporting at Sheffield and Leeds, Radio Mongolia did Liverpool, can't remember who did Hammersmith (the other date on that tour which I caught). 1990 had the rather fine RDF supporting and Krel did the 1992 Tepee tour gigs. The Beatiful People (lots of Hendrix samples) did the Business Trip tour. '93-94 were pretty spare for gigs and Salt Tank certainly did a few of them, maybe Banco de Gaia did a couple (might be getting confused with Ozrics gigs here - Banco certainly supported them in the early '90s). '95-96 had Capt. Rizz. '97 - present has had a few bands - Tribe of Cro, Intastella amongst others and, of course, Harvey. Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 6 11:27:31 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:27:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: >read somewhere that yechno/trance group "eskimos and egypt" have supported >hawkwind. > >anyone confirm this ?? > >colm > I've seen 'em sometime or another, I pretty sure. A HW gig is a pretty likely candidate! Nick From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:29:55 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:29:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Browne writes >In article <200011061056.FAA02826 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford > writes >>even worse than Dr and >>the Medics. > >ah, they had their moments. Maybe so, but for various reasons I ended up seeing 'em 3 times over the space of about a year- once at Glastonbury, once at Acid Daze, and once supporting the Damned. I believe the last one was their final gig- mind you it was also supposed to be the Damned's final gig and didn't quite work out that way (though for the reputation of this once-great band, it really should have done). On each occasion the person I was with (different person each time) insisted on seeing the Medics rather than retreating to the bar or wherever. So whatever their merits may have been, I did end up sick of the sight of them. >Anyone read Zodiac Mindwarps auto-biog? There's a good Medics story in >there! Pray tell? -- Nick Medford From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:55:51 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:55:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dead Fred Message-ID: Silly me! well I thought it was dead fred's band? they were great, anyone record it? Ben "Thomas, Guy" wrote: > Didn't think that Dead Fred was there Ben! > > The first band was called (I think) "The Fighting Cocks" !!!!!!!!! > > Guy > > -----Original Message----- > From: linuxchaos [mailto:linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK] > Sent: 05 November 2000 15:43 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: OFF: Dead Fred > > Has anyone got a recording of Dead Freds set opening (first > band) at the > Hawkestra? > > Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:58:21 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:58:21 +0000 Subject: hawkwind passpoerts Message-ID: about 3 months but if you applied at carleen and didnt yet have a passport you could apply on the door, maybe now he's faster. Ben bedroom trancer wrote: > hi again > > because of the xmas gig i decided to send off for a hawkwind passport about > a week and a half ago. From other peoples expiriences how long does it > usually take to get them processed and sent back? > > cheers > > colm From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:53:38 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:53:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <005401c0480e$77b88fa0$8078a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: In message <005401c0480e$77b88fa0$8078a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee writes >>read somewhere that yechno/trance group "eskimos and egypt" have supported >>hawkwind. >> >>anyone confirm this ?? >> >>colm >> >I've seen 'em sometime or another, I pretty sure. A HW gig is a pretty >likely candidate! I've seen 'em too, but it wasn't with Hawkwind, it was at one of the Club Dog nights at the Rocket on Holloway Road. Can't remember who else played there that night, possibly System 7. Thought E+E were pretty good live but when I later heard one of their records it didn't capture the intensity of the live sound at all. Don't know if they're still around as this would have been about '93. I'm surprised that so many HW fans profess an aversion to all things techno as the Hawks have undoubtedly influenced- and been influenced by- the more psychedelic end of the scene. Granted a lot of poppier electronic dance music is crap, but that's true of most pop music, n'est-ce pas? Mind you the sound system at Brixton was pretty irritating, what with the noise pollution spilling into the main hall every time anyone went in or out. Didn't notice this at all during Hawkwind's set but after moving further back for Tim Blake it became quite intrusive at times. Also- the people who spent all their time out there- why?? You have the world's best band playing a unique reunion show, and you choose to listen to a DJ all night? Wake up and smell the quarks!! -- Nick Medford From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:05:00 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:05:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Xmas Party press release Message-ID: .....PRESS RELEASE..... Psychedelic Space Rockers HAWKWIND will be holding a spectacular Christmas and New Year party gig at the London Astoria on December 29th 2000. The event will kick off at 4.00pm (3.00pm for Hawkwind passport holders) with music, exhibitions, stalls, record signings, liquid lights, festive food and drinks. A mini, indoor festival. Support bands, Tim Blake, Spiral Realms and Spacehead Surprise guests will be making their appearances throughout the day and in the evening a special Christmas line up of Hawkwind will feature: Dave Brock, Richard Chadwick, Simon House, Alan Davey, Ron Tree, Jerry Richards, Harvey Bainbridge, Keith Kniveton and a few special guests. Tickets cost ?15 Credit card hotline: 020 - 7344 0044 (24 hours) General enquiries: 020 - 7434 9592 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Mon Nov 6 12:03:57 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:03:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: It's all Tom Clark's fault!!! 18 years after Tom introduced me to HW, I now own over 50 albums and 30 cds!! Tom, thanks for changing my life!!! Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind In 1978, I was 17 living in Germany at the time. My older brother had one of those rooms with strobe lights, black light posters, incense, etc...and an excellent sound system - clean with 100 watt Cerwin Vega speakers. After smoking a few bowls of hash, he picked a song off of the Quark album - Spirit of the Age, and that was what grabbed me and ruined my life forever. It was as though the music was produced and designed for people smoking hash...at least that was my perception at the time, right or wrong. Listen to PXR5 full blast ferchrissake! Anyhow, we then listened to Space Ritual, and it was a quest for Anything That Has To Do With Hawkwind and related ever since. I own about 30 albums, and am working on the CD collection.... Don't smoke dope much anymore , but the music is still as powerfull today as it was then, and I look forward to anything new and hope to see them at the next show! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:05:37 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:05:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Help ID a song! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chuck Rosenberg writes >Okay, a few years ago, a member of this list (who may still be a member of >this list, but I'm not sure), Charles "Capt. Cloud" Johnson made me a tape >w/Calvert's Lockheed album on it...but at the end of the album, he tacked on >a track which sounds like either '80s or '90s Hawkwind, really spacey w/synth >wooshes but an insistent kinda techno beat...no vocals, except samples from >spoken parts of the Lockheed album... > >What is this??? Chuck didn't write the title on the j-card! > >thanks, Chuck Can't think of any track that fits this description, unless it's Space Is Their Palestine, which has samples of Calvert speaking from Space Ritual (not from Lockheed). It's on HW's 1993 album "It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous". Of course you may well be familiar with it already and the track you describe may be completely different... There was a remix album (Ritual of the Solstice) of Hawk songs done by various ambient/electronica artists- not heard this but perhaps it's from there? Incidentally what's Ritual of the Solstice like, anyone? -- Nick Medford From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Mon Nov 6 12:19:00 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:19:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Support Bands Wildfire Message-ID: Who, briefly, had Simon Kirke of Bad Company as their drummer. Fairly bog standard UK AOR. Stuart NP Uriah Heep - Return To Fantasy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Mon Nov 6 12:19:02 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:19:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: Aah, Dumpy. Support on the Black Sword tour. He had the misfortune to come wandering through tthe crowd when HW were on, and I was having a blinding acid trip. We danced. Got his own back a week later when he turned up to play at the Venue (dodgy club) and proceeded to rip the piss out of me whilst playing a guitar solo in my face (thanks to the wonders of the cordless guitar). Ahm sweet memories. Stuart --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:29:50 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:29:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: Zeitgeist wrote: > Aah, Dumpy. > > Support on the Black Sword tour. > > He had the misfortune to come wandering through tthe crowd when HW were on, > and I was having a blinding acid trip. We danced. > > Got his own back a week later when he turned up to play at the Venue (dodgy > club) and proceeded to rip the piss out of me whilst playing a guitar solo > in my face (thanks to the wonders of the cordless guitar). > He also used to borrow some of Hawkwind's backline (all the UV painted stuff). I remember having the privelege of humping it all into Huddersfield Polytechnic students union back in 1988. Keef From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 13:24:51 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:24:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > I've got the Babysitters first album somewhere - it's fantastic (if you're > prepared for a good laugh!) Were they the band that opened by claiming their first song was "a song about a man who steals clothes from washing lines..........nanananana KAK MAN!!!!"??? Ian From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 13:25:57 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:25:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Zeitgeist To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:19 PM Subject: HW: Dumpy > Aah, Dumpy. > > Support on the Black Sword tour. > > He had the misfortune to come wandering through tthe crowd when HW were on, > and I was having a blinding acid trip. We danced. > > Got his own back a week later when he turned up to play at the Venue (dodgy > club) and proceeded to rip the piss out of me whilst playing a guitar solo > in my face (thanks to the wonders of the cordless guitar). > > Ahm sweet memories. Dumpy was hilarious on the last night of Black Sword at Bristol Hippodrome, pink tutu et al. The roadies ended up dismantling the set from around him "It's a drum solo....no, a solo drum...." Ian From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Nov 6 13:46:29 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:46:29 -0600 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: RE: OFF: how we got into hawkwindSorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve credit. I think it is the music that did it! Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 14:02:55 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:02:55 EST Subject: HW: OFF: Dead Fred Message-ID: Are you seriously saying dead fred was part of that dross ? From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Mon Nov 6 14:05:05 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:05:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Tom- It was the music, but the messenger does deserve some of the credit. I'll never let you forget it!!! I wonder if anybody else on this list ever listened to Hawkwind while on an archaeological dig??? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Sorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve credit. I think it is the music that did it! Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 14:06:32 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:06:32 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Re connecting routes....I was wearing my Hawkestra T shirt in Stafford Market 2 days after and a guy on a Record stall specialising in reggae said " Hey....Do you know connecting routes ? I worked with them!!! they supported the Hawks you know!!" So now you know....By the way...I didnt think much of them either,and I was really into Dub at the time,but I rememberthem having a didgeridoo !!! From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 14:09:27 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:09:27 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: The Glam band was BABYSITTERS.....Saw them a few times Quite fun on their own...Most vivid memory Hammersmith Klub Foot one saturday in 85 I think..The lead singer said " the bogs in this hole remind me of my girlfreind...full of shit!!"...Nice guy..He got bottled after that !! From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 14:38:56 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:38:56 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Interesting to see Nicks list of support acts..I'd forgotten the rythmnites..I quite liked them. much better than connecting routes !..On reflection it might have been them with the Didgeridoo! Does anyone know who supported at Guildford on the 97 tour ?? this has bugged me for years !! I missed the announcement...At times they werent too bad for a techno outfit..I remember some reasonable ambient moments. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 6 14:45:31 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:45:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: > >He also used to borrow some of Hawkwind's backline (all the UV painted stuff). > >I remember having the privelege of humping it all into Huddersfield >Polytechnic students union back in 1988. > >Keef Me too! Sheffield Uni - '88 and or '89! Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 6 14:48:51 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:48:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: I can only really remember a couple of songs, albeit vaguely. One went something like "I was lying there in a hospital bed with a fucking great chicken sitting on my head" and the other along the lines of "it's not the way she looks or the way she wears her clothes, what I really like about her is the way she picks her nose". That and the Kakman thing. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Al Ogilvy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 November 2000 19:12 Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach >The Glam band was BABYSITTERS.....Saw them a few times Quite fun on their >own...Most vivid memory Hammersmith Klub Foot one saturday in 85 I think..The >lead singer said " the bogs in this hole remind me of my girlfreind...full of >shit!!"...Nice guy..He got bottled after that !! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 6 14:53:20 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:53:20 -0800 Subject: OFF: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:44:49 GMT, Johnny Firic wrote: >(Paul Mather wrote:) >>_Spine of God_ is *THE* Monster Magnet album. All others pale in >>comparison! > >Well, I can see how a Hawkwind would think so, but I don't think a lot of >Monster Magnet fans would agree. I think it was the influence of the other >guitarist (who quit when Ed Mundell came on) that made "Spine" stand out so >much. That would be John McBain, now leader of Wellwater Conspiracy. "Monster Magnet without McBain is like Satan without his pitchfork" - Greg Chapman, Ugly American magazine & Monster Magnet Fan #1. >And thanks for the info on "Tab" (I thought that was the name). I'll stay >clear of that one... My favorite "available" Monster Magnet release. I loved their fist single, "Lizard Johnny"/"Freak Shop USA" (still an end-of-the-80s early-grunge-era classic IMO), thought the second one ("Murder"/"Tractor") & the eponymous EP around the same time were pretty darn good, liked 'Spine Of God' & 'Superjudge', and pretty much gave up on 'em with 'Dopes...'. I'm definitely in the minority when I say that their best stuff was the original Wyndorf / McBain / Cronin trio. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 6 15:11:46 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:11:46 -0800 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:35:13 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >> 79 Doll By Doll - shite >I actually saw a reformed version of this band supporting Pere Ubu at the >QEH about 3 years ago (anyone else here like Ubu??) Oh, yes! Current Ubu lead guitarist Jim Jones played at Strange Daze this year with his band Trans-Lunar Express. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:18:50 +1100, "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" wrote: >1977-Bethnal - punk/rock with a violin- Played a version of the who's "Baba >O'Reilly" - Very good And 3/4ths of the band played on Calvert's 'Hype' album. I heard the second Bethnal album, 'Crash Landing' and thought it sucked, but the word is that the first one is much better (and includes their cover of "Baba O'Riley"). Anyone want to report? -Doug ceres at sirius.com P.S. The worst band I ever saw supporting Hawkwind were a local bad lite-metal band called PSI who played at the Omni in Oakland (hence the thanks "for enduring the opening band" message on 'California Brainstorm'). Their singer wore an athletic headband, just like Loverboy did, and they told the audience to "just say no to drugs" with a straight face ... at a HAWKWIND show!!?!? (I wound up yelling "do drugs not sports!" back at them...) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 6 15:26:42 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:26:42 -0800 Subject: HW:Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:13:12 +0100, "SHLL (Scott Heller)" wrote: > Can someone out there clear up something about Space Ritual Vol.2 >for me... Am I correct that this is from the same exact concerts as the >Space Ritual release but that it has extended versions of Time we left and a >couple of other tracks? Bernhard pretty much explained it already, but the versions of "Brainstorm" and "Time We Left" on 'Space Ritual vol.2' are the un-edited versions of the original SR tracks. "Brainstorm" runs about 3 minutes longer, and "Time We Left" about 8 minutes longer (with KILLER bass solo). >Did we ever find out why on the remastered Space >Ritual the whole Time we left was not included? Actually, that answers the question. SR was re-MASTERED, not remixed or recut from the original multitrack tapes. The existing two-track MASTERS were used, which had already had the parts edited out. In order to restore the full-length versions of those songs, they would have had to be remixed from the original multitracks, which would have added considerable expense and would have, most likely, extensively changed the character of the album (compare, for instance, the mix of 'The 1999 Party' with the original 'Space Ritual' mix - VERY different). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Nov 6 15:56:13 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 20:56:13 -0000 Subject: Fw: HW: Xmas Party press release Message-ID: I would just like to ask Dave and Kris that is it only passport holders allowed in early or can they bring 1 person in as a guest aswell? Also i have seen tickets advertised for ?19.50 each!!!! I'll be there though and i am thorougly looking forward to it!!! colm p.s. will the wierd cd;s be on sale there again as i missed getting them at the hawkestra gig? -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 06 November 2000 17:08 Subject: HW: Xmas Party press release ...PRESS RELEASE Psychedelic Space Rockers HAWKWIND will be holding a spectacular Christmas and New Year party gig at the London Astoria on December 29th 2000. The event will kick off at 4.00pm (3.00pm for Hawkwind passport holders) with music, exhibitions, stalls, record signings, liquid lights, festive food and drinks. A mini, indoor festival. Support bands, Tim Blake, Spiral Realms and Spacehead Surprise guests will be making their appearances throughout the day and in the evening a special Christmas line up of Hawkwind will feature: Dave Brock, Richard Chadwick, Simon House, Alan Davey, Ron Tree, Jerry Richards, Harvey Bainbridge, Keith Kniveton and a few special guests. 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Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 3:20 AM Subject: BRAIN: Legends of NY > By the way for all you hep cats, > If you pick up David Roter Methods "they Made Me", the way cool homage to > NY's "friendly folk" in on it. and was in the vid. > > Good tune lyrically and tight dummin' with cool sax solo a la ON the Road > again! > > > In other news, the Dictators website has a page or so dedicated to saying > how cool R.Meltzer is,with the lyrics of "on the road again" on the site. > > > Paid Wed., ordering Thurs. God bless capitalism! > Jason From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 14:11:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:11:01 -0000 Subject: BOC Friday Message-ID: thanks - sounds interesting; did they have any CD on sale? Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re: BOC Friday > On 2 Nov 00, at 19:14, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > Hey - I have a morbid fascination with support bands - if anyone's any > > good,let me know, please. Andy Garibaldi. > > The opening act was Bad Karma, aka Dave Smith and Bad Karma. > They were a bizzare looking lot. A power trio. The drummer was > more or less normal looking. The Bassist and Guitarist were big fat > guys, the bassist with a shaved head and the biggest stovepipe top > hat in the universe. These guys are not muchachos. But they were > seasoned veterans, who rocked hard. They played original material, > kinda ZZ Top-inspired, I guess. I'd definitely see them on their own, > and would be inclined to pick up any CDs of theirs... > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 17:00:52 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:00:52 -0000 Subject: RE-HW TV appearance (old) Message-ID: Dave here picked up a copy of Hawkwind appearing on a TV prog called 'Cue The Music' on video from a car boot sale at the weekend. I've not seen it altho' I remember the programme. What year is it from - anyone know anything about it? Andy Garibaldi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 16:59:28 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:59:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001106115320.00997420@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.6.32.20001106115320.00997420 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >>Well, I can see how a Hawkwind would think so, but I don't think a lot of >>Monster Magnet fans would agree. I think it was the influence of the other >>guitarist (who quit when Ed Mundell came on) that made "Spine" stand out so >>much. > >That would be John McBain, now leader of Wellwater Conspiracy. Funny that Wellwater should sound so psyche/poppy. I have one of their albums and it's right up my street but not much of an obvious link between them and Spine. Both great but *very* different from what I've heard. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 16:50:01 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:50:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Medford writes >Maybe so, but for various reasons I ended up seeing 'em 3 times over the >space of about a year- once at Glastonbury, once at Acid Daze, and once >supporting the Damned. Likewise. They were everywhere that year. I saw them with Cardiacs, with Here & Now, the obligatory Acid Daze etc. I was invited to a private birthday party at The Marquee and guess who the surprise band were...? >So whatever their merits may have been, I did end up sick of the sight of >them. Understandable. The odd thing was, whenever I thought, groan, its the Medics, they were really good, and every time I thought well, they were pretty good last time, should be okay, they were dull. > >>Anyone read Zodiac Mindwarps auto-biog? There's a good Medics story in >>there! > >Pray tell? If ever there was a story unfit for public consumption, even here, this is it. It does, I will say, involve "No.2's". I'll really have to leave it there... -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 16:52:42 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:52:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Xmas Party press release In-Reply-To: <003401c04813$ba785280$d89393c3@default> Message-ID: In article <003401c04813$ba785280$d89393c3 at default>, XXX writes > The event will kick off at 4.00pm (3.00pm for Hawkwind passport > holders) with music, exhibitions, stalls, record signings, liquid > lights, festive food and drinks. A mini, indoor festival. > > Support bands, Tim Blake, Spiral Realms and Spacehead You guys are great, you know that? -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 6 16:06:16 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:06:16 EDT Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <010e01c0483d$886fb100$2d11bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 6 Nov 00, at 19:11, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > thanks - sounds interesting; did they have any CD on sale? Negative on that, at least as far as I could tell. Haven't found any info on the 'net so far, but I'm no expert. BTW, nice selection of BOC merc. at the table. Anyone get anything? Naturally, I forgot all about it in my haste to burn out of there and commence the 2 and a half hour drive home... theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 17:08:28 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:08:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Stafford market? Not a guy who looks a bit like and sounds a bit like Hendrix? (my home town by the way) If so, I know him........... Andy Garibadi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Ogilvy" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > Re connecting routes....I was wearing my Hawkestra T shirt in Stafford Market > 2 days after and a guy on a Record stall specialising in reggae said " > Hey....Do you know connecting routes ? I worked with them!!! they supported > the Hawks you know!!" > So now you know....By the way...I didnt think much of them either,and I was > really into Dub at the time,but I rememberthem having a didgeridoo !!! From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 17:11:27 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:11:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: New Monster Magnet Album Message-ID: you and me both!!!!!! 'Tab' is just awsome - great psych guitar jamming of our time. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF: New Monster Magnet Album > On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 06:44:49 GMT, Johnny Firic > wrote: > >(Paul Mather wrote:) > >>_Spine of God_ is *THE* Monster Magnet album. All others pale in > >>comparison! > > > >Well, I can see how a Hawkwind would think so, but I don't think a lot of > >Monster Magnet fans would agree. I think it was the influence of the other > >guitarist (who quit when Ed Mundell came on) that made "Spine" stand out so > >much. > > That would be John McBain, now leader of Wellwater Conspiracy. "Monster > Magnet without McBain is like Satan without his pitchfork" - Greg Chapman, > Ugly American magazine & Monster Magnet Fan #1. > > >And thanks for the info on "Tab" (I thought that was the name). I'll stay > >clear of that one... > > My favorite "available" Monster Magnet release. I loved their fist single, > "Lizard Johnny"/"Freak Shop USA" (still an end-of-the-80s early-grunge-era > classic IMO), thought the second one ("Murder"/"Tractor") & the eponymous > EP around the same time were pretty darn good, liked 'Spine Of God' & > 'Superjudge', and pretty much gave up on 'em with 'Dopes...'. I'm > definitely in the minority when I say that their best stuff was the > original Wyndorf / McBain / Cronin trio. > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 17:25:20 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:25:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Ah, techno!!!! Or trance....or drum 'n' bass. Much maligned, some of it, although fairly carpeted (most of it), but if you look for the good ones, you'll find a lot of invention in the rhythm department, which is probably the one aspect people have trouble getting their heads round - a rhythms that 'sounds the same - bomp bomp bomp bomp - all the time' say many. I thought 'Ritual Of The Solstice' not only shredded Hawkwind, it wasn't a very good representation of the genre, and if this is all that Hawkfans have heard,it's no wonder they supposedly hate techno (or whatever). Ambient never really went away either, but if you want to hear an amzing track on the trance side then check out the opening track called 'Guitar Slinger' on the last but one album ("Mad Hatter's Acid Tea Party") by Shamanic Tribes On Acid - blow your head off!!! Best rhythmic ambient album around right now? Has to be the new Banco De Gaia album - fantastic!! Andy Garibadi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > In message <005401c0480e$77b88fa0$8078a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee > writes > >>read somewhere that yechno/trance group "eskimos and egypt" have supported > >>hawkwind. > >> > >>anyone confirm this ?? > >> > >>colm > >> > >I've seen 'em sometime or another, I pretty sure. A HW gig is a pretty > >likely candidate! > > I've seen 'em too, but it wasn't with Hawkwind, it was at one of the Club > Dog nights at the Rocket on Holloway Road. Can't remember who else > played there that night, possibly System 7. > > Thought E+E were pretty good live but when I later heard one of their > records it didn't capture the intensity of the live sound at all. Don't know if > they're still around as this would have been about '93. > > I'm surprised that so many HW fans profess an aversion to all things techno > as the Hawks have undoubtedly influenced- and been influenced by- the > more psychedelic end of the scene. Granted a lot of poppier electronic > dance music is crap, but that's true of most pop music, n'est-ce pas? Mind > you the sound system at Brixton was pretty irritating, what with the noise > pollution spilling into the main hall every time anyone went in or out. > Didn't notice this at all during Hawkwind's set but after moving further back > for Tim Blake it became quite intrusive at times. Also- the people who > spent all their time out there- why?? You have the world's best band playing > a unique reunion show, and you choose to listen to a DJ all night? Wake up > and smell the quarks!! > -- > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 6 17:14:33 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:14:33 -0000 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: RE: OFF: how we got into hawkwindno - but kept me and a few other people going during a school field trip in the salt marshes of Borth in Wales (or some such place that was incredibly boggy) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Tom- It was the music, but the messenger does deserve some of the credit. I'll never let you forget it!!! I wonder if anybody else on this list ever listened to Hawkwind while on an archaeological dig??? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Sorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve credit. I think it is the music that did it! Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon Nov 6 17:30:04 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:30:04 +0000 Subject: RE-HW TV appearance (old) In-Reply-To: <011101c0483d$8b16b520$2d11bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: > Dave here picked up a copy of Hawkwind appearing on a TV prog called >'Cue The Music' on video from a car boot sale at the weekend. I've not >seen it altho' I remember the programme. What year is it from - anyone >know anything about it? Andy Garibaldi 'Cue the Music" was a MIke Mansfield production who hosted ITV's answer to Top of the Pops in the 70's...."Supersonic". Everything was hosted from his mixing desk with him very 'camply' calling "cue camera 4....cue special effects....cue 'the damned' etc. Hawkwind on 'Cue the Music' was actually a remixed and edited version of the 'Live Legends' screening done for Central Television in 1990. I watched and recorded it about 5 years ago. It was OK apart from the rather silly camped up intro that the white haired Mr Mansfield and his male mixing desk assistant do at the beginnings of part 1 & 2. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 6 17:30:22 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:30:22 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday & Merchandise Message-ID: I was listening in on a conversation the lead singer (Dave Smith?) was having and he said that the CD is halfway done - but's its been like that for some time. As for merchandise - there was the Reaper T, the 00 T, the Harley T, and the new Godzilla T as well as black and blue BOC bandanas. Picked up the blue one for a friend (already had the black). Speaking of which, last year sometime when Heaven Forbid was new - I spied Eric sporting a T-Shirt that had a BIG picture of the girl (same screaming look, hand on side of the head). She took up the whole front. Anyone else see this T or know if it was ever sold? BCNU > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:06 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC Friday > > On 6 Nov 00, at 19:11, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > thanks - sounds interesting; did they have any CD on sale? > > Negative on that, at least as far as I could tell. Haven't found any info > on the 'net so far, but I'm no expert. > > BTW, nice selection of BOC merc. at the table. Anyone get > anything? Naturally, I forgot all about it in my haste to burn out of > there and commence the 2 and a half hour drive home... > > theo From nick at NETPHD.NET Mon Nov 6 17:45:45 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:45:45 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <200011062206.RAA06095@syr.edu> Message-ID: > > BTW, nice selection of BOC merc. at the table. Anyone get > anything? Naturally, I forgot all about it in my haste to burn out of > there and commence the 2 and a half hour drive home... > > theo I liked all four new shirts. I'm not a bandana-wearer, however. Unfortunately, the show fell right around mortgage time, so I wasn't up for spending $25-$35 on my wardrobe. Sad, because they were all pretty cool. --Nick From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 6 20:04:38 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:34:38 +1030 Subject: Xmas Party Message-ID: All I need is a bundle o' cash Please email all donation to..... Thank you for your patronage..... :) Mr Squiggle ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: Xmas Party > Got my ticket in my hand! > Ticket No:2 > > Hoorah! > > All I need now is my passport returning :-) > > Keef From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 6 20:42:07 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:12:07 +1030 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: RE: OFF: how we got into hawkwindNo but I'd like to try it! MichaelB :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:35 AM Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Tom- It was the music, but the messenger does deserve some of the credit. I'll never let you forget it!!! I wonder if anybody else on this list ever listened to Hawkwind while on an archaeological dig??? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Sorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve credit. I think it is the music that did it! Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Nov 6 21:20:50 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:20:50 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday In-Reply-To: <200011062206.RAA06095@syr.edu> Message-ID: Ted Good seeing you and the crew at the show. Yes I got the "baseball" jersey, a bargain at $35 (!). There were three black t-shirts. The baseball jersey (with the boc symbol embroidered on the chest and BOC and 00 on the back silk screened). One of the t-shirts was a generic on tour with a reddish flames of hell theme, another tied in Harley Davidson theme. I was not impressed with the third and I don't remember much about it. Their was also a black and a blue bandana available. Each was patterned with the Boc symbol on it repeatedly. Finally there was a cool baseball cap with the symbol and the BOC emboidered into it, but I just couldn't spend more money on stuff that night. asta Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Ted Jackson jr. Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:06 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BOC Friday On 6 Nov 00, at 19:11, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > thanks - sounds interesting; did they have any CD on sale? Negative on that, at least as far as I could tell. Haven't found any info on the 'net so far, but I'm no expert. BTW, nice selection of BOC merc. at the table. Anyone get anything? Naturally, I forgot all about it in my haste to burn out of there and commence the 2 and a half hour drive home... theo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Nov 6 21:59:17 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:59:17 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Legends of NY In-Reply-To: <010801c0483d$82ac2aa0$2d11bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: At 18:54 11.6.00 -0000, you wrote: >the Dictators have a website??? Gimme, gimme - 'Go Girl Crazy' is one of THE >great albums of the rock era-let me have that URL!!!! Not to metnion its produced by Pearlman and Krugman (and bears, oh my!) btw On the Road (again) has the title KEROUAC NEVER DROVE, SO HE NEVER DROVE ALONE http://www.thedictators.com/DixHome.html Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 7 04:08:57 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:08:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: > > I remember having the privelege of humping it all into Huddersfield > Polytechnic students union back in 1988. > Did he Huddersfield Poly in 1988? I saw him there in 1985/6. I remember it well... Taylor's Landlord in the Zetland over the road, Landlord in the Rat and Ratchet before that... Maybe I don't remember it that well. (I do remember him spraying lager up my arse on stage though.) :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 04:25:33 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:25:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: 1985 - Anglia for Africa - Support Dean Friedman, Yellow Man & (forgive me for not remembering...) either Mary Wilson & the Supremes or the 3 degreees! I jest not... good gig too. Topped off with Hawkwind and accompanying fireworks..... M at xine Multimedia Programmer Media Development Centre University of Portsmouth ext 3187 Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 04:22:48 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:22:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: It must have been the hypnotic effect of the red mohawk.... ;-{)> I'll never let Tom hear the last of that one *g* It was nice to meetcha... And, for that matter, all those others I met for the first time at theBeehive! Good health to one & all! ChrisW -----Original Message----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] [mailto:DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 5:04 PM Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind It's all Tom Clark's fault!!! 18 years after Tom introduced me to HW, I now own over 50 albums and 30 cds!! Tom, thanks for changing my life!!! Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind In 1978, I was 17 living in Germany at the time. My older brother had one of those rooms with strobe lights, black light posters, incense, etc...and an excellent sound system - clean with 100 watt Cerwin Vega speakers. After smoking a few bowls of hash, he picked a song off of the Quark album - Spirit of the Age, and that was what grabbed me and ruined my life forever. It was as though the music was produced and designed for people smoking hash...at least that was my perception at the time, right or wrong. Listen to PXR5 full blast ferchrissake! Anyhow, we then listened to Space Ritual, and it was a quest for Anything That Has To Do With Hawkwind and related ever since. I own about 30 albums, and am working on the CD collection.... 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URL: From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 7 04:51:16 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:51:16 +1000 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: RE: OFF: how we got into hawkwindNot on an archaeological dig, but a month ago I was flying in a four-seater helicopter over the waters of the Torres Strait. The chopper had a CD player, the pilot and all three passengers were wearing headphones, and I put on 'you shouldn't do that' ... three more converts to Hawkwind! Tony M. -----Original Message----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] [mailto:DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM] Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2000 5:05 AM Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Tom- It was the music, but the messenger does deserve some of the credit. I'll never let you forget it!!! I wonder if anybody else on this list ever listened to Hawkwind while on an archaeological dig??? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:46 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Sorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve credit. I think it is the music that did it! Regards, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 04:56:14 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:56:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <3D39232D2282@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <3D39232D2282 at ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk>, Maxine Wesley writes >1985 - Anglia for Africa - Support Dean Friedman, Yellow Man & >(forgive me for not remembering...) either Mary Wilson & the >Supremes or the 3 degreees! I jest not... good gig too. and Vera Lynn at Crystal Palace, (I think the ubiquitous Medics were there as well.) -- Jon From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 05:28:58 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:28:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: In the late 1970's & early 80's I used to work at De Montfort Hall in Leicester; selling programmes for all the bands that came through - I think it was the HawkLords Tour that I first saw them play. I got my float & wodge of programmes & went to set up in the foyer (with Olive - lovely little orange haired old lady....). We used to have to arrive early so could often spend 1/2 hour or so staring at the paintwork & gargoyles before the doors opened. At the Hawk gig I was lucky coz some chap came up to me and helped me pass the time in pleasant banter. Eventually the doors opened a few people had filtered into the lobby & were queing to get a prog the guy left... Another 'bloke' came up to me: bloke: "Do you know who that was?" Me: "No idea" bloke: "That was Dave Brock" !!! Me: "Who?" Sorry - such was my ignorance as a 17 year old!! My best mate, Stumpy, who I guess I can solely blame for me 'being into' Hawkwind (see below - especially for those who want to 'get their wives into Hawkwind'!?) dissappeared during that gig - he ended up backstage and said that he had given Dave Brock my "Keep Leicester Clean" badge... which he had swiped from my jacket earlier in the evening (he found everything amusing - that's LSD for you??) I'm not sure quite how I would have got into Hawkwind without Stumpy's total enthusiasm for them....yes, the music speaks for itself and I appreciate it 'NOW' but when I was younger I guess you could say that sometimes I disliked it because I didn't 'get into it' and we all know "If you want to get into it - you gotta get out of it.....".....Anyway for those guys that are having trouble 'converting' their better halves I shall let you in on : Stumpy's Technique ============== 1. Purchase cocktail of drugs on friday night 2. Give them to your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/lover 3. Play Hawkwind at maximum volume until sunrise on monday repeat on a weekly basis - they'll crack eventually!!! I did and I'm very, very, very glad I did! Maxine From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 06:49:14 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:49:14 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Yes andy,That was him !!....looks a bit like hendrix with shorter hair...tried to sell me a Connecting Routes CD...I did actually intend going back to get it, but didnt have time in the end. From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 06:51:21 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 06:51:21 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Oh Yeah !! Banco Da Gaia ...Magnificent !!!...Last train to Lhasa is always on my cassete player at work ..Highly reccomended !! From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Nov 7 08:08:59 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:08:59 -0500 Subject: Sloterdijk - "Integration" Message-ID: http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl -------------- next part -------------- http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue13/slotdijk.html From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 08:15:50 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:15:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <3D39232D2282@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Message-ID: It was the Supremes. Eek A Mouse, not Yellowman, and Amazulu, who were brilliant. And Magnum, who were dire. Alasdair On 7 Nov 00, at 9:25, Maxine Wesley wrote: > 1985 - Anglia for Africa - Support Dean Friedman, Yellow Man & > (forgive me for not remembering...) either Mary Wilson & the > Supremes or the 3 degreees! I jest not... good gig too. > > Topped off with Hawkwind and accompanying fireworks..... -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 7 08:35:48 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Habiby) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:35:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: I "blame" Greg Stone, DJ for KOME in San Jose in the late 70's. He had this fantastic show called "Stone Trek" wherein he played on Sunday nights from 9 to 12 mainstream to obscure progressive rock. Learned about many fantastic Progressive bands from England and Europe over the few years he was on. Cut my teeth on Hawklords 25 yrs on. Bought that and Quark Stangeness and Charm. The rest is history. I would mention that after College in the early 80's after I had collected all vinyl up to Church I lost track of them. So there was a second "how I got into Hawkwind" story in that I saw the Griffen box set of Warrior with the "book" in the Mid 90's. Imagine my amazement when I discovered that they had been making music all along but had "no North American distribution rights" at the time. Anyway thanks to Griffen going in and out of business I got almost everything on the cheap. Rounded out my collection through eBay and EBS. Saw them in '97 in NYC. Pics can be viewed of that show at http://www.geocities.com/mhabiby1/Hawkwind.html. Mike H. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 7 08:49:44 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:49:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Archive CDs 1+2 Review Message-ID: For those of you that might be interested in the Buck Dharma "Archive Series CDs", available only at www.buckdharma.com, I have attached a review I recently did of them. Keep in mind that these discs are currently only available by signing up for the "package" deal, which includes a t-shirt, autographed photo, laminated pass, 4 CDs (3 "Archive Series CDs of Buck's demos of both released and unreleased songs, and a CD of Buck's "The Red and The Black" demos), plus special members-only access on the website -- all this costs $150, and is admittedly not for everyone. My primary reason for signing up was the CDs, so here's how the first 2 sound to me (note: the second 2 are set to be released early next year): John ---------------- Got my Buck Dharma subscription package last week. Very cool indeed. For this fan's money, the real benefits of the membership are the "Area 51 Access" on the website and the CDs. The shirt is high quality, and the VIP pass is cool, and who wouldn't want a personally autographed photo of Buck? Still, those items are way down the list of my own personal priorities - I'm in this primarily for the music. So, I thought I'd share my feelings on that. Before I start, I will state that I can't tell anyone whether or not they should spend the money to get this package - that is an individual decision. For me, there was little hesitation because most of all I want CD-quality recordings of these rarities - realizing that many of them are songs that were either rejected for use as BOC recordings, or demos of Buck-written BOC songs. So, the idea that these CDs might get more spins than something like *Secret Treaties* or even *Heaven Forbid*...well, that's not why one would want these CDs. Good music, even great music on them for sure, but their appeal is more to the completist and the curious, rather than just a fan of BOC's music. And while I can lament that I couldn't just get the CDs rather than the whole package, the decision for me personally to buy or not buy was an easy one, and I have no regrets. O.K., on to the music... Disc 1: Hot Date - Cool song that would have fit well on *Flat Out* - very realistic horn sounds lend to a "big band" sound. Classic Buck guitar riffs. Here Comes That Feeling - Another song that would have fit well on *Flat Out*, although it also sounds like something that might have made it to *Club Ninja* with different lyrics. These first two songs make you wonder where Buck's career would have gone if he hooked up with a pop band rather than BOC. Would he have been one of those teen idols? Burnin' For You - Fairly similar to the finished product, although I believe Buck plays all instruments except drums (played by Albert Bouchard). The bassline is close, but a bit more ambitious than Joe's version (with not enough low end), and the keyboards are thinner. Guitar solos are different. This is most interesting to see how the song progressed when comparing it to the *Fire of Unknown Origin* version - and how the flavor of the song changes when Buck's bandmates add their contributions to the song. Hold Me Tight - Precursor to "Lips In The Hills" - This is a great tune, but pales next to BOC's finished product. The lyrics really change the character of the song - the killer riff underneath is unmistakeable, but I just can't see Eric singing the lyrics to this. My three-year-old, however, LOVES this song -- she just loves singing "Hold me tight, hold me tight...". The real thing to note about this song, is that it shows that Buck, for all his pop leanings, can write killer heavy music. This song as is would have added some heaviness to something like *Flat Out* and it would have been a favorite on that album. But Meltzer's lyrics and Eric's vocals turn it into a true BOC song. 2120 Revisited - Cool little instrumental jam. ECPI - More pop from Buck. Nice harmonies. If the lyrics were sillier, I could almost picture "Weird Al" Yankovic doing this song. Shooting Shark - Very good demo. Doesn't have Randy Jackson's slap bass part, but the bassline is still fairly funky and very much in character of the song. The use of a drum machine is more obvious in this version than the *Revolution By Night* version - although it makes me wonder how a real drummer would have changed the character of the final product. The keyboards on this demo are maybe a bit too up front in the mix. That Was Killer - A wasted half minute of space - hearing Murry Krugman say "That Was Killer", repeated and stuttered may be silly to listen to once, but after that who cares? Maybe if Buck used it in a rap song or something... Pack Of Lies - More from the new "King of Pop", Buck Dharma. A bit simplistic, but nice harmonies (kind of interesting to hear Buck do all the harmonies - like their's a bunch of little Roeser clones running around...) and a beat that you can tap your foot to. Cold Wind - One of my favorites from *Flat Out* - fairly similar to the final product, although the middle bridge section is less developed. Also, and I'll have to go back and compare this to the *Flat Out* version (which Rick Downey plays drums on), but I think Albert Bouchard's drumming lends a subtle different feel to the song- not immediately noticeable, but seems to be there. You People Had Enough? - Buck takes a little jazzy instrumental and overdubs a live track with Rick Downey encouraging the crowd. Sounds like it could be the way a a big band starts a live performance. Neat. Don't Fear the Reaper - While nowhere near as polished as the *Agents Of Fortune* version, this is pretty cool. Buck's use of books, the floor and saying "Psssshhhh" for cymbals as his percussion works surprisingly well - it is interesting to listen to how active Buck's "drumming" is in places - almost as if Buck was trying to imitate how he envisioned Albert would play it. Some of the guitar leads are very trebly and "biting" - sounds great, but does lend a different character to the song. Premier of B.C. - Sorry, but I'll probably never listen to this one again. Like "That Was Killer", it is a waste of space and not even a song - the bigger sin is that this track takes up 6 minutes. Basically Buck, Eric, and Rick Downey were in a bar and this drunk goes off on a rant about the then Premier of British Columbia, which they thought was funny enough to record. Yeah, maybe funny to listen to once - but, if you've heard one drunk rant and swear on and on once, you've heard 'em all. Maybe it would have been funnier on video - then it might be worth listening to 2 or 3 times. I'm really not sure why Buck thought this belonged on this CD - I suppose it's a slice of life on the road that was probably pretty funny at the time. But you sure as hell can't tap your foot to it... I would have preferred hearing Buck play scales on his guitar for 6 minutes. Disc 2: Stone of Love - Nice tune written for *Revolution By Night* that wasn't considered heavy enough. True, although it probably could have made *Club Ninja*. Musically somewhat dark - I wonder if different lyrics could have turned this into a BOC song - I can almost envision some vampire lyrics working well with this song. Godzilla - Fairly close to BOC's version, including the vocal special effects (although no Japanese warning in the middle) - also doesn't have Joe's little bass lick, although Buck's bass playing in this section sounds pretty funky and cool. This demo is also a bit faster than what BOC recorded (and definitely much faster than BOC plays this song live today), which somewhat takes away the real feel of heaviness of the song. Still, very cool. Deadline - Similar to the final version, but instrumentally thinner (hey, it is a demo) - almost sounds like the bassline was played on a guitar. No Traffic - The music is "E.T.I." with different lyrics - not quite a pop feel, but close. Perhaps Buck could have changed the face of pop music if he had pop songs with instrumentation like this - pop songs with substance! I Love The Night - YES! While not as polished as the *Spectres* version, this song has the omitted verse which, in my opinion, makes the song much more coherent and understandable. Sony had a chance to redeem themselves when they put ILTN on their remasterd "Don't Fear the Reaper" compilation, but instead used the edited version. It's so great to hear the complete work. Mirrors - A bit simpler than the album version, but good. I think I prefer Sandy Roeser's background vocals over Genya Ravan and Ellen Foley (who sang on *Mirrors*). Wind, Weather and Storm - Nice. Amazing how similar this 1975 demo sounds to the *Flat Out* version. More of Buck's "book and floor" drumming. Listening to the bassline underscores how well Buck has a great feel of the total song structure, and not just the vocals and guitar. Spy In The House of The Night - A fairly different feel than the *Club Ninja* version - not quite as heavy on the guitars, and not as polished in the vocals (although I think I actually prefer the overall feel of how Buck sings on this demo). Devil's Nail - You will never hear "The Vigil" the same way again! Amazing what a different set of lyrics will do for a song. The song is great with this original set of Patti Smith lyrics, but I doubt would have made it to a BOC album with them. It would be a real kick to see BOC do this one live with these lyrics - would be funny to see reaction from the more casual fans - and see how many of the "die hards" could still sing along... Ayatollah - The "Divine Wind" demo - another example of Buck, regarded as more "pop", writes some killer tunes. Still, it took Eric's vocals to really take this tune over the top - Buck's are "interesting" here, but don't have that heaviness - Buck's singing sounds almost like 80s "New Wave" music. Lost Lenore - Yehaw! Country! But, who sings it? Bruce Abbott? It don't sound like Buck, unless they dropped his voice an octave. Sandy Roeser has some nice vocals on this rather silly song. Come Softly - A nice demo of a song which was covered on *Flat Out* - not as polished, but still very nice. And again, Sandy Roeser's vocals are nice. Boogie Woogie Bagel Bun - Silly and fun. Sounds like something that was done on one of those Casio or Yamaha keyboards (you know, the one with all the preset drum patterns and syth voices). Would be really funny if BOC used this instead of the Bladerunner tune on ocassion to open their shows. Can't wait for Volume 3 and the Red and the Black demo CDs! John From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 7 09:11:16 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:11:16 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > It was the Supremes. Eek A Mouse, not Yellowman, and Amazulu, > who were brilliant. And Magnum, who were dire. > Hey - I'll have nothing bad said about Magnum! ;-) Cheers, R. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 09:25:52 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:25:52 GMT Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:11:16 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > Hey - I'll have nothing bad said about Magnum! Yeah, I thought he was good too, especially in dealing with that prissy butler. FoFP From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Nov 7 09:24:33 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:24:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Guaash! Gotta admit - digging for ancient Indian artifacts in the Mojave desert was a great setting for listening to Hawkwind. The shrooms were great too! :)) "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > > > Tom- > > It was the music, but the messenger does deserve some of the credit. > I'll never > let you forget it!!! I wonder if anybody else on this list ever > listened to Hawkwind > while on an archaeological dig??? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:46 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: how we got into hawkwind > > Sorry 'bout your bad luck, Dan...though I do not think I deserve > credit. I think it is the music that did it! > > Regards, > > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at NETPHD.NET Tue Nov 7 09:29:43 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:29:43 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday & Merchandise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Speaking of which, last year sometime when Heaven Forbid was new - I spied > Eric sporting a T-Shirt that had a BIG picture of the girl (same screaming > look, hand on side of the head). She took up the whole front. Anyone else > see this T or know if it was ever sold? > > BCNU Never saw that one, although I'd love to have one. I do have the one with the screaming girl on the left breast and the eyeball on the back. --Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 7 10:35:47 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:35:47 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Ektro label news Message-ID: Hi Folks... Perhaps of interest to some of you. Richard's comment about the Hassan I Sahba riff is spot on (Note: It's essentially the 'bridge' riff from the "It is writ-ten..." part, intentional or not). I had the same immediate reaction. And so did Karen K. Grakkl (FAA) EKTRO PRESENTS: OUT NOW!!! ektro-007 FAUST: The land of Ukko & Rauni -2CD (live) recorded 20.4.2000 in Helsinki at Tavastia-club. Live documents the explosive Faust performance at this year's Helsinki Tavastia-club. The psych-guitar and industrial smasheroo quotient is way up. "The land of Ukko & Rauni" is fantastic nightmare soundscape, absolutely very recommended! The musicians are: Werner Zappi Diermaier, Hans Joachim Irmler, Steven Wray Lobdell, Lars Paukstat, Michael Stoll. ektro-008 CIRCLE: Prospekt -CD "Brand new release from the Finnish masters of hypnotic and trance like kraut/spacerock. The first track (Dedofiktion) has a "Hassan I Sahba" (Hawkwind) like riff running through it whilst the familiar Circle layered sound is slowly added to the track, this time via violin and eerie keyboards as well as the trademark guitar layering and some crazy vocals near the end of the track. The prominence of keyboards on this release helps to give the band more depth, although of all their releases "Prospekt" is the album that relies more on the bands hypnotic style of building up a piece therby putting the listener into a trance state. For anyone into Hawkwind, Can & Wall of Sound music. Circle should also appeal to industrial music fans as the band have evolved from that basis since their early days." (Cranium) please ask the whole-sale prices. ektro/J. Lehtisalo uusikoivistontie 77 b 17 28130 pori finland ektro at verkkotieto.fi From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Nov 7 10:42:56 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:42:56 -0500 Subject: BOC Friday & Merchandise Message-ID: Yup, got that one. When I saw E's shirt I said to myself, "Self, gotta get me one o'dem" But E was not around to ask that evening. Definately gotta get me one of the coffe mugs tho. Speaking of mugs, I thought a great idea for a HF cofffee mug would say "I'd Love to See You in Black"on one side. And along the rim it would be painted dripping red where you drink. Ya know "blood on your coffee cup". > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick English [SMTP:nick at NETPHD.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:30 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC Friday & Merchandise > > > Speaking of which, last year sometime when Heaven > Forbid was new - I spied > > Eric sporting a T-Shirt that had a BIG picture of the > girl (same screaming > > look, hand on side of the head). She took up the > whole front. Anyone else > > see this T or know if it was ever sold? > > > > BCNU > > Never saw that one, although I'd love to have one. I > do have the one with the screaming girl on the left > breast and the eyeball on the back. > > --Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 7 11:40:44 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:40:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: drugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Arin Komins wrote: > So I've never touched drugs (aside from the standard > caffeine, etc.) > > I drink alcohol, but not to excess (being drunk is a nasty > depressive experience for me.) > > But I've always wanted to. > > But. I'm deathly afraid of addiction. I've > got an addictive personality, if there is such a thing > (at least judging by my collector instincts). That echoes well with me. I'm continually surprising people by _not_, despite my music collection, being the archetypal druggy - I get quite bent occasionally by not eating or sleeping enough and then doing too much caffeine but it's not really the same I'm sure. I _do_ drink (whenever I can) but only in company. My father's an alcoholic and I'm leery of going the same way. So I like other people to know vaguely how much I'm drinking. As for yer other drugs, well, some day... Again my father hasn't helped by being a marvellous example of what smoking can do to you; though he's managed to escape all the diseases he has the most awful cough and carries a scent of stale smoke with him wherever he goes, ineradicably. So drugs you have to smoke don't recommend themsleves to me. People only ever seem to offer them when I have a vicious cold and a sore throat, too... So that day has never come. I've got no moral objections to drug use, and if I did I'd be a hypocrite. I know too many people who know people dead from heroin to go near it (I have a book by Geoff Nuttall from the 1960s called _Bomb Culture_ which easily proclaims that *everyone* knows not to do heroin now), but dope is fine with me. Acid is too, technically, except that I'm quite attached to my brain and it's, what, one in 200 people who just can't take it? Since I intend to make a living out of my brain I don't want to find out I'm No. 200 the hard way. Oh, and Lemmy and Martin Ace both say you can't get the real stuff any more and they ought to know :-) The argument about addictive personalities is also valid, I'd say except that everyone on this list would probably raise their hand to music addiction and very few seem to have drug problems - if any. Anyway, that's my AA piece said,and I'll step down now except to say that whilst altered in my own minor way I occasionally listen to stuff I know well and hear it completely differently, so I'm quite prepared to accept that all this drug-rock is more impressive if you're out of your head but I will simply refuse to accept any arguments that that's the only way to listen to it. Oh, and I got into Hawkwind more or less the same way I got into Blue Oyster Cult: knew the obvious hit singles from a very few hearings on pop radio, got them together on a Best Rock album Ever type comp in 95, found the version of `Reaper' on there had had the guitar break cut and immediately went out to the record stall in Watford market. They had _Some Enchanted Evening_, the S/T and _Agents of Fortune_. I got SEE because I figured a song called `Godzilla' might be pretty cool and also because it was clearly the one Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman were mentioning in _Good Omens_ so I thought I'd have that. And I heard the version of `Astronomy' on there and Understood :-) Then, next term at College, a friend trawling Usenet located alt.music.blue-oyster-cult and informed me that there were two Cambridge types on it, whose e-mail address he furnished me with. I mailed them both, and one gave me an intelligent reply, and that was Carl Anderson. Within two months I'd acquired my first Hawkwind as well, a comp called _Spirit of the Age_, and Carl made a tape of _Space Ritual_ for me for my birthday and there you are. Gone, completely gone. I think I was signed onto BOC-L very shortly before that... Since then I count two converts to Hawkwind and three to Blue Oyster Cult. One has to try, after all... Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 12:19:51 2000 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:19:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Ah well, but listening to HW whilst staring up into a totally clear night sky, watching the shooting stars the same day as witnessing a total solar eclipse was pretty damn cool. And of course, it was actually HW playing the music live! Ha ha, who's got the best "listening to HW" tale then? Gotta admit, that helicopter ride sounded good! Any astronauts on the list? ;) Dave >Guaash! > >Gotta admit - digging for ancient Indian artifacts in the Mojave desert >was a great setting for listening to Hawkwind. The shrooms were great >too! :)) > >"Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 7 13:07:10 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:07:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy Message-ID: I assume you won the Fred Flintstone lookalike competition that night then!! Nick -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lockwood To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 07 November 2000 09:09 Subject: Re: HW: Dumpy >> >> I remember having the privelege of humping it all into Huddersfield >> Polytechnic students union back in 1988. >> > >Did he Huddersfield Poly in 1988? I saw him there in 1985/6. I remember it >well... Taylor's Landlord in the Zetland over the road, Landlord in the Rat >and Ratchet before that... > >Maybe I don't remember it that well. (I do remember him spraying lager up >my arse on stage though.) :-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 7 13:28:06 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:28:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: Dave wondered... >Ah well, but listening to HW whilst staring up into a totally clear night >sky, watching the shooting stars the same day as witnessing a total solar >eclipse was pretty damn cool. And of course, it was actually HW playing the >music live! Ha ha, who's got the best "listening to HW" tale then? My most amazing time listening to Hawkwind was in 1997 when I was camped on the Dasuopu glacier at 23,000 feet in the Himalayas right on the Tibet/Nepal border. I was alone in my tent one night, listening to a compilation HW tape I had brought along on the walkman (don't ask how I warmed up the batteries - it was probably -20 or -30) in a pretty powerful blizzard and the whistling sounds of the wind and blowing snow were so loud that they became part of the music, filtering in through the little headphones I was using. The original Assault & Battery/Golden Void was how the tape started. The feeling of 'smallness' in the universe was quite intense, though you only have to stand on, say, the middle of the Greenland Ice Sheet on a windy, overcast day to completely lose your mind into nothingness. And then you get dizzy and nearly fall over since you don't know which way is up. Very disorienting. Grakkl (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 7 12:58:30 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:58:30 EDT Subject: listening to... In-Reply-To: <200011071835.NAA25017@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 00, at 13:28, K Henderson wrote: > Dave wondered... > > >Ah well, but listening to HW whilst staring up into a totally clear > >night sky, watching the shooting stars the same day as witnessing a > >total solar eclipse was pretty damn cool. And of course, it was > >actually HW playing the music live! Ha ha, who's got the best > >"listening to HW" tale then? > Well, here's one of my fave BOC experiences. 1977 [I think] headling at Rich Stadium in front of about, oh, 70,000 fans. Also aboard were Lynyrd Skynyrd, a band who, a couple of weeks later, would be changed forever. Anyway, BOC, at the peak of their creative and commercial power, grand stage set with Laser Light Show! The effect of the lasers in an outdoor setting, with the powerful beams seemingly extending to infinity in the evening sky...wow! Bloom with incredible rapping, esp. during DaS, suggesting we all write to 'Mr. Carter in Washington...start it: Dear Jimmy' DFtR, with cones of laser beams engulfing the stage creating the effect of the entire stage being aflame [with r'n'r]. Damn, it gets no better than that... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 7 13:25:05 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:25:05 EDT Subject: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <200011071858.NAA20876@syr.edu> Message-ID: Go here for a great shot of Lem and his new signature series bass: http://www.rickenbacker.com/us/4004lk.htm theo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 7 14:38:22 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:38:22 -0800 Subject: Lemmy Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:25:05 EDT, "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: >Go here for a great shot of Lem and his new signature series bass: > >http://www.rickenbacker.com/us/4004lk.htm Yeah, and the page has said, "(More details when this instrument is officially released.)" for pretty much as long as Rickenbacker's had a website. I want one NOW!!! -Doug (who would ordinarily NEVER consider buying a "signature" instrument) ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 7 14:43:40 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:43:40 -0800 Subject: OFF: how we got into hawkwind Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:28:06 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >My most amazing time listening to Hawkwind was in 1997 when I was camped on >the Dasuopu glacier at 23,000 feet in the Himalayas right on the Tibet/Nepal >border. I was alone in my tent one night, listening to a compilation HW tape I hope that "Kadu Flyer" was on this compilation!!! >I had brought along on the walkman (don't ask how I warmed up the batteries >- it was probably -20 or -30) I DEFINITELY won't ask. >in a pretty powerful blizzard and the >whistling sounds of the wind and blowing snow were so loud that they became >part of the music, filtering in through the little headphones I was using. "... the wind of time is blowing through me ..." >The original Assault & Battery/Golden Void was how the tape started. The >feeling of 'smallness' in the universe was quite intense ... Wow. -Doug (speechless) ceres at sirius.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 7 14:21:55 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:21:55 EDT Subject: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001107113822.0099cb70@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 00, at 11:38, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:25:05 EDT, "Ted Jackson jr." > wrote: > >Go here for a great shot of Lem and his new signature series bass: > > > >http://www.rickenbacker.com/us/4004lk.htm > > Yeah, and the page has said, "(More details when this instrument is > officially released.)" for pretty much as long as Rickenbacker's had a > website. I want one NOW!!! > > -Doug (who would ordinarily NEVER consider buying a > "signature" instrument) > ceres at sirius.com Me either, but that one looks PRETTY nice to me. I kind of figured the project might be on hold, as it's an older [still with mustache] pic of Lem. Honestly, it looks like it would be too expensive to make for it to be practical... theo [who once passed on owning a Giuliano Vulcan--not, admittedly a Buck Dharma 'signature' instrument, but it might as well be] ps Eric had his Harper guitars in evidence last friday. That might be a sig. guitar I could go for...Am I addled, or did EB also use his latest (I assume Harper?) Kronos gtr on fri. night? BD used his 'cheeseberger' most of the night...can't remember if he used any other models... tj From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Nov 7 14:39:31 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:39:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Albany gig guitars (was Re: Lemmy) In-Reply-To: <200011072022.PAA01525@syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo wrote: > ps > Eric had his Harper guitars in evidence last friday. That might be a > sig. guitar I could go for...Am I addled, or did EB also use his latest > (I assume Harper?) Kronos gtr on fri. night? > > BD used his 'cheeseberger' most of the night...can't remember if he > used any other models... > tj Eric played the Chronos guitar towards the end of the show. Can't remember exactly what songs. That was the first time I've ever seen him play it. He also played his two Harper guitars. Didn't see the red model with the alien sticker. Then again, how many guitars does a "stun" guitarist need during one set? ;-) Whenever I could see Buck, he was using the "Cheeseberger." Allen needs a signature model shaped like a cigarette. (Maybe with a glowing end?) Or a coffin-shaped Dracula model. :-) Brian P.S. I thought it was the best BOC gig I've seen. (I first saw them in '96.) -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 16:08:41 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:08:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <003101c0482a$98259500$5a3ba8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: In message <003101c0482a$98259500$5a3ba8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee writes >I can only really remember a couple of songs, albeit vaguely. One went >something like "I was lying there in a hospital bed with a fucking great >chicken sitting on my head" and the other along the lines of "it's not the >way she looks or the way she wears her clothes, what I really like about her >is the way she picks her nose". >That and the Kakman thing. Reading this makes me think I misjudged 'em! Sounds highly amusing. Actually now that it's mentioned, I do remember the Kakman song, I had a "fit of the chuckle" (as Daevid Allen would say). Mind you that's not an uncommon occurrence at Hawkwind gigs. -- Nick Medford From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 16:32:03 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:32:03 EST Subject: Lemmy Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/00 3:23:10 PM US Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > Yeah, and the page has said, "(More details when this instrument is > > officially released.)" for pretty much as long as Rickenbacker's had a > > website. I want one NOW!!! > I had heard that the reason it is taking so long to get it out was because of all that carving on the body. They're trying to find a way to do that on a production line schedule. I'd love one, too, but I would have extra difficulty of needing a lefty. And don't get me started on the non-availability of southpaw geetars . . . (doin' a 90-day wait for an Epiphone 12-string lefty right now) Mr. Jackson sez: <> Lemmy has regrown his mustache, at least he's got it on the Hawkestra pix on the Mission Control site. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 7 15:51:05 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:51:05 EDT Subject: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <22.d5f04dd.2739ced3@aol.com> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 00, at 16:32, Joe Loehr wrote: > I'd love one, too, but I would have extra difficulty of needing a > lefty. And > don't get me started on the non-availability of southpaw geetars . . . > (doin' a 90-day wait for an Epiphone 12-string lefty right now) > No sympathy here, Joe. I'm a lefty, but I play guitar righty. But, now, finding good lefty golf clubs, now ya got me going. For some reason I have no problem playing guitar righty, but hafta hit golf balls lefty--go figure... theo From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Nov 7 17:06:41 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:06:41 -0500 Subject: XMAS UPDATES Message-ID: STAR WARRIORS ++INFORMATION UPDATE ON XMAS GIG UPLOADED Direct ticket sales point arranged @ ?15.00 with no hidden fees..... TEL:0191 512 1103 More details on Mission Control Updates...... www.hawkwind.org.uk MESSAGE ENDS++ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 17:48:59 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:48:59 EST Subject: HW: ID a tune? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/00 3:50:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, rik at cy-b.org writes: > might be the spirit of the age solstace remixes > > it's still available on cd single from amazon.co.uk > > rx Nope, it's not on any of the remix CDs I have either (SotA Solstice, Decide Your Future, QSC, Future Reconstructions), though it could be on another... anyone else? (again, the question was: was is that '80s or '90s HW-sounding tune w/a semi-techno beat, swooshes and Capt. Lockheed samples all over it?) From hw at CY-B.ORG Tue Nov 7 18:07:05 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:07:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Christmas Party Updates Message-ID: ATTENTION ALL STAR WARRIORS !!! ++INFORMATION ON XMAS GIG UPDATED A direct sales point has been arranged to obtain tickets @ ?15.00 with no hidden fees..... TEL:0191 512 1103 More details on Mission Control Updates...... www.hawkwind.org.uk MESSAGE ENDS++ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 18:13:47 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:13:47 EST Subject: HW: Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/00 2:30:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM writes: > The stuff for SPACE RITUAL was recorded on 2 different days and > venues > > - Liverpool, 22.12.1972 > - London, 30.12.1972 > > Space Ritual I is a mixture of both gigs > Space Ritual II is only from London 30.12.1972 > > At least two tracks are different: TIME WE LEFT, ORGONE ACCUMULATOR > > Most of the other tracks are absolute identical (Brainstorm on SRII > is complete) > Therefore you can say that at least the 2 tracks above are from > LIVERPOOL > and the other tracks from LONDON > > Hope that helps > Bernhard > > > But the _mix_ is definitely different for "Space is Deep" on SR2, agreed? The sax is cranked way up and makes for an even more awesome ambience... Chuck From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 7 18:22:43 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:22:43 -0800 Subject: HW: Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:13:47 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >But the _mix_ is definitely different for "Space is Deep" on SR2, agreed? The >sax is cranked way up and makes for an even more awesome ambience... Chuck ??? "Space is Deep" isn't on SR2. SR2 begins with "Electronic no.1" aka "Space" leading into "Orgone Accumulator". Or am i high? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 18:35:37 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:35:37 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: In a message dated 11/6/00 2:19:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > bomp bomp bomp bomp - all the time' say many. I > thought 'Ritual Of The Solstice' not only shredded Hawkwind, it wasn't a > very good representation of the genre, and if this is all that Hawkfans have > heard,it's no wonder they supposedly hate techno (or whatever). Ambient > never really went away either, but if you want to hear an amzing track on > the trance side then check out the opening track called 'Guitar Slinger' on > the last but one album ("Mad Hatter's Acid Tea Party") by Shamanic Tribes > On Acid - blow your head off!!! > Best rhythmic ambient album around right now? Has to be the new Banco De > Gaia album - fantastic!! Solstice remixes -- I quite like the "Flesh to Phantasy" remix -- no "bomp bomp bomp", but the other tracks are nothing special... I would think that a good "bridge" between the good techno stuff (that is, complex, spacey, and w/inventive drum/percussion rhythms) and space-rock might be Anubian Lights -- "Let Not the Flame Die Out" or any regular ORB album, particularly "Live '93". Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 18:56:33 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 18:56:33 EST Subject: HW: Space Ritual 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/00 3:33:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > >But the _mix_ is definitely different for "Space is Deep" on SR2, agreed? > The > >sax is cranked way up and makes for an even more awesome ambience... Chuck > > ??? > > "Space is Deep" isn't on SR2. SR2 begins with "Electronic no.1" aka > "Space" leading into "Orgone Accumulator". Or am i high? > > -Doug I'm sorry: I meant the Anthology/Acid Daze version! Though you may be high anyway... :) Chuck From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 7 19:12:11 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:12:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Yep - Orb live '93 is a bona-fide classic. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Rosenberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > In a message dated 11/6/00 2:19:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > bomp bomp bomp bomp - all the time' say many. I > > thought 'Ritual Of The Solstice' not only shredded Hawkwind, it wasn't a > > very good representation of the genre, and if this is all that Hawkfans > have > > heard,it's no wonder they supposedly hate techno (or whatever). Ambient > > never really went away either, but if you want to hear an amzing track on > > the trance side then check out the opening track called 'Guitar Slinger' on > > the last but one album ("Mad Hatter's Acid Tea Party") by Shamanic Tribes > > On Acid - blow your head off!!! > > Best rhythmic ambient album around right now? Has to be the new Banco De > > Gaia album - fantastic!! > > Solstice remixes -- I quite like the "Flesh to Phantasy" remix -- no "bomp > bomp bomp", but the other tracks are nothing special... > I would think that a good "bridge" between the good techno stuff (that is, > complex, spacey, and w/inventive drum/percussion rhythms) and space-rock > might be Anubian Lights -- "Let Not the Flame Die Out" or any regular ORB > album, particularly "Live '93". Chuck From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 19:00:16 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 00:00:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chris Warburton writes > > Well said Mistah Garibaldi re. the better end of techno/d'n'b etc. > > Glad I'm not the only evangelist for this much maligned area of music... > Totally agree, for my money much of the best music of the last decade has come from that general direction.... Orb, Aphex Twin, Coldcut, the "Big Chill" and "Macro-Dub Infection" compilations.... how much of this stuff could really be described as 'dance music' is a moot point I suppose. I prefer the dubby/soundscape end of the genre. For the record I can't dance to save my life so it's not about that, not for me anyway. Perhaps the problem is it's become such a huge field, and many people only get exposed to the boring, unimaginative beats that dribble from every other car stereo on every high street. Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. -- Nick Medford From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Nov 7 19:15:57 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:15:57 -0800 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > P.S. The worst band I ever saw supporting Hawkwind were a local bad > lite-metal band called PSI who played at the Omni in Oakland (hence the > thanks "for enduring the opening band" message on 'California Brainstorm'). > Their singer wore an athletic headband, just like Loverboy did, and they > told the audience to "just say no to drugs" with a straight face ... at a > HAWKWIND show!!?!? (I wound up yelling "do drugs not sports!" back at > them...) Uh, which one were they? As I recall, there were 3(?) openers that night, and each and every one of them sucked like a black hole. I stayed in the bar until the last one finished (chatting with Harvey, Alan, & Richard), then claimed my spot right up front and dead center. Ahh Bridget..... The support at the Stone on the previous tour also blew dead goats. I remember they were trying really hard to be Cream, and they were so bad that when they were at the bar during Hawkwind's setup, everyone left a clear space around them..... scorch From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Nov 7 19:25:12 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:25:12 -0500 Subject: Sloterdijk at MP3.com Message-ID: Hello all, It is my proud pleasure to announce that Sloterdijk is now uploaded to MP3.com. At this time "Integration" (the song) is now available for listening. There will be more songs in the coming days. I would like to offer a very heartfelt special thanks to Michael Habiby for helping me get this thing off the ground. Through Mike's selfless offer of assistance, we are now on one of the largest ( if not the largest) MP3 listening site. This type of grassroots interplay between supporters of the project and the artists themselves is what makes Sloterdijk take on a more "animated life"...Thank you so much. Just click to www.mp3.com and enter the word Sloterdijk!!!!!!! Peace, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 7 19:47:07 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:47:07 -0800 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:15:57 -0800, "John H. McCartney" wrote: >> P.S. The worst band I ever saw supporting Hawkwind were a local bad >> lite-metal band called PSI who played at the Omni in Oakland ... > >Uh, which one were they? As I recall, there were 3(?) openers that night, >and each and every one of them sucked like a black hole. They were the third of three. Fortunately I missed the first two openers 'cause I'd just gotten back from a weekend ski trip. >I stayed in the >bar until the last one finished (chatting with Harvey, Alan, & Richard), >then claimed my spot right up front and dead center. Ahh Bridget..... ... yeah, I'm a fan, too! In that case, we couldn't have been standing more than 5 or 10 feet apart. I was probably a bit to your right ... >The support at the Stone on the previous tour also blew dead goats. I >remember they were trying really hard to be Cream, and they were so bad >that when they were at the bar during Hawkwind's setup, everyone left >a clear space around them..... Was that King of Kings? I remember them being fairly unremarkable, but pretty inoffensive ("trying really hard to be Cream" sounds about right). Not nearly as bad as PSI, and I think Kevin Sommers (thanks again for the CD-R's!!) mentioned liking 'em. The other two Bay Area shows from those two tours had better support. I forget the name of (sometime boc-l member/lurker) Jeff "Stretch" Ridel's band (and I think I forgot how to spell his name - sorry, Jeff!), but they had a female singer and did a decent version of "Steppenwolf" at One Step Beyond in the South Bay. And the night after the Omni show, the San Francisco show at the I-Beam had the Bedbugs, who I thoroughly enjoyed (wierd semi-acoustic hippie noise improv, emphasis on the "wierd" and "noise"). As for the 1995 support band in San Francisco (at Slim's), I'll keep my mouth shut ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Nov 7 20:04:56 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 17:04:56 -0800 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > > As for the 1995 support band in San Francisco (at Slim's), I'll keep my > mouth shut ... > Ah yes, Melting Euphoria. An object lesson on why not to perform in public when you're fried to the eyeballs on acid. I remember that being a really good show for the Hawks, especially Ron in all his glory, but then again that may just be the industrial strength cold medicine combined with high fever that I was being held psychic hostage by at the time..... scorch From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Tue Nov 7 22:41:50 2000 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (RPManny) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:41:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Archive CDs 1+2 Review Message-ID: John, Thanks for the review. I'm still planning on getting this set, but not without making a few sacrifices here and there. Best regards, Richard From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 7 22:41:14 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:41:14 -0500 Subject: Sloterdijk at MP3.com In-Reply-To: <6234-3A089D68-4363@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: Hi all Thanks for the Kudos Mike. It is nice to help. The direct link is as follows http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/179/sloterdijk.html Within a day or so the site will have three songs, links to the Sloterdijk home page, and the Lollipop Shop. Please take the time to listen at whatever your download speed is. As for all you broadband and DSL people, downloads count to get Sloterdijk to the top 50, so download away!! Mike H. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of SLOTERDIJK Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 7:25 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Sloterdijk at MP3.com Hello all, It is my proud pleasure to announce that Sloterdijk is now uploaded to MP3.com. At this time "Integration" (the song) is now available for listening. There will be more songs in the coming days. I would like to offer a very heartfelt special thanks to Michael Habiby for helping me get this thing off the ground. Through Mike's selfless offer of assistance, we are now on one of the largest ( if not the largest) MP3 listening site. This type of grassroots interplay between supporters of the project and the artists themselves is what makes Sloterdijk take on a more "animated life"...Thank you so much. Just click to www.mp3.com and enter the word Sloterdijk!!!!!!! Peace, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 23:34:30 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:34:30 EST Subject: Sloterdijk at MP3.com Message-ID: yo, congratulations! "<>" MP3.com - Das Ludicroix From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 05:43:54 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:43:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:15:50 -0000 > From: Alasdair Macdonald > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > It was the Supremes. Eek A Mouse, not Yellowman, and Amazulu, > who were brilliant. And Magnum, who were dire. We dined at 9, no it was 8, i was on time, no you were late.... Ah yes - I remember it well !!!!??? I do remember some guy with a bill board about "peace & love" etc in the crowd being affronted by a load of yobs who were taking the piss- he shouted at them "You have ruined the day!" - and instantly the sun went behind the clouds and remained there..... M at xine > On 7 Nov 00, at 9:25, Maxine Wesley wrote: > > > 1985 - Anglia for Africa - Support Dean Friedman, Yellow Man & > > (forgive me for not remembering...) either Mary Wilson & the > > Supremes or the 3 degreees! I jest not... good gig too. > > > > Topped off with Hawkwind and accompanying fireworks..... From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 05:46:18 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:46:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:11:16 -0000 > From: Richard Lockwood > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > It was the Supremes. Eek A Mouse, not Yellowman, and Amazulu, > > who were brilliant. And Magnum, who were dire. > > > > Hey - I'll have nothing bad said about Magnum! Damn fine ice creams! Maxine From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 8 08:11:23 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:11:23 EDT Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <200011080015.QAA19094@bob.te-cats.com> Message-ID: On 7 Nov 00, at 16:15, John H. McCartney wrote: > > P.S. The worst band I ever saw supporting Hawkwind were a local bad > > lite-metal band called PSI who played at the Omni in Oakland (hence > > the thanks "for enduring the opening band" message on 'California > > Brainstorm'). > > Their singer wore an athletic headband, just like Loverboy did, and > > they > > told the audience to "just say no to drugs" with a straight face ... > > at a HAWKWIND show!!?!? (I wound up yelling "do drugs not sports!" > > back at them...) Howls! Well, judging from this list, no HW fans get high anyway! BTW, I saw a concert with Loverboy playing before BOC. Looks like these jock rock bands are out to corrupt every good show... theo From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 09:16:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:16:00 +0000 Subject: HW: How we got into HW Message-ID: I was a spotty teenager in the mid 70s and a friend lent me The Time of the Hawklords book and played me a bit of the Space Ritual. I bought everything they did for the next 6 or 7 years (usually twice, on LP and cassette - and now on CD, sigh!) before losing interest when HW kind of lost their way ("Sonic attack"/"Zones" etc.).... Although I never stopped playing the early stuff, I rediscovered my interest in HW in the mid 1990s when I got so fed up with 'pop' music that I went back again and again to my album collection. And was also delighted to find that HW were still alive and well! Also, being a very amateur guitarist and percussionist, I'm fascinated by good playing and hence my Simon King site below. I've put up some "Space rock from London" samples by the way, if anyone's interested, on the 'Hawkwind' sub-page. Steve Litchfield Simon King and Hawkwind, http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/ From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 11:36:32 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:36:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <3D527335335B@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk> Message-ID: I had some other memories of this after my original post. Who else remembers the actress who played Clair Scott in Grange Hill? And all-round family entertainer and hilarious funny-man Jimmy Cricket? On a more HW-related note, Underground Zero also played, one of the first acts on I think. Alasdair On 8 Nov 00, at 10:43, Maxine Wesley wrote: > > Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:15:50 -0000 > > From: Alasdair Macdonald > > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > > It was the Supremes. Eek A Mouse, not Yellowman, and Amazulu, > > who were brilliant. And Magnum, who were dire. > > We dined at 9, no it was 8, i was on time, no you were late.... > Ah yes - I remember it well !!!!??? > > I do remember some guy with a bill board about "peace & love" etc in > the crowd being affronted by a load of yobs who were taking the piss- > he shouted at them "You have ruined the day!" - and instantly the sun > went behind the clouds and remained there..... > > > M at xine > > > On 7 Nov 00, at 9:25, Maxine Wesley wrote: > > > > > 1985 - Anglia for Africa - Support Dean Friedman, Yellow Man & > > > (forgive me for not remembering...) either Mary Wilson & the > > > Supremes or the 3 degreees! I jest not... good gig too. > > > > > > Topped off with Hawkwind and accompanying fireworks..... > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 12:33:06 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:33:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: John H. McCartney [mailto:scorch at TE-CATS.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > I remember that being a really good show for the Hawks, especially > Ron in all his glory, but then again that may just be the industrial > strength cold medicine combined with high fever that I was being held > psychic hostage by at the time..... > > scorch Are you Jon Browne's alter ego ;-{P> ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 12:24:52 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 17:24:52 -0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Medford [mailto:nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > Chris Warburton writes >> >> Well said Mistah Garibaldi re. the better end of techno/d'n'b etc. >> >> Glad I'm not the only evangelist for this much maligned area of music... > > Totally agree, for my money much of the best music of the last decade has > come from that general direction.... Orb, Aphex Twin, Coldcut, the "Big > Chill" and "Macro-Dub Infection" compilations.... Macro-Dub... vol 1 is a MONSTER!!! did vol 2. ever appear? Try also: Autechre/The Black Dog/Bark Psychosis (the latter's "Hex" is one of my all time favourites!) > how much of this stuff could really be described as 'dance music' is a > moot point I suppose. I prefer the dubby/soundscape end of the genre. And it's extremely trippy at times... I always had a fondness for dub-reggae, and the way it's been recast in recent years... > For the record I can't dance to save > my life so it's not about that, not for me anyway. I'm not too hot meself, but it never stopped me having a whale of a time at "The Fridge" on Friday nights whebn I lived in Croydon... > Perhaps the problem is it's become such a huge field, and > many people only get exposed to the boring, unimaginative > beats that dribble from every other > car stereo on every high street. Hear-hear... and whoever unleashed the likes of the Venga Boys(?) should be whiplashed & bathed in vinegar!!!! > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., ah well, so much music, so little time ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 14:01:26 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:01:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Chris Warburton writes > > Are you Jon Browne's alter ego ;-{P> > > ChrisW > cheeky monkey! I missed one or two gigs..c'mon...I had a nice fresh broken rib for Blackheath, aw man... -- Jon From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Nov 8 14:13:19 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:13:19 -0800 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: > > Are you Jon Browne's alter ego ;-{P> > Hey, as often as the Hawks make it over to the left coast of this side of the pond, I'm not going to let something as trivial as the Reaper tugging at my sleeve keep me from the gig! scorch From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 15:56:42 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:56:42 +0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chris Warburton writes > Macro-Dub... vol 1 is a MONSTER!!! did vol 2. ever appear? Certainly exists, though I don't possess a copy. > Try also: Autechre/The Black Dog/Bark Psychosis (the latter's "Hex" is one of my > all time favourites!) Heard both Autechre and Black Dog on compilations, liked them both, particularly Autechre. Never heard Bark Psychosis, will try to check them out. [snip] > > > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently > > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. > > A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., ah well, so > much music, so little time I really recommend them.... deep basslines, tribal rhythms, a dark heady exotic feel to the music. Not really electronica, something altogether more primal. "Seven Songs" is one of my all-time favourite albums. Haven't heard the new album (just called 23 Skidoo) yet. The 80s stuff is very hard to get now, but supposedly will be re-released on CD in the near future. They have an excellent site at http://the-raft.com/23skidoo/ Cheers -- Nick Medford From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 8 15:56:36 2000 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 05:56:36 +0900 Subject: XMAS UPDATES Message-ID: Bugger. Wish I'd read that before I phoned ticket master. Rik Rx wrote: > STAR WARRIORS > > ++INFORMATION UPDATE ON XMAS GIG UPLOADED > Direct ticket sales point arranged @ $B!W (B15.00 > with no hidden fees..... TEL:0191 512 1103 > More details on Mission Control Updates...... > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > MESSAGE ENDS++ From nick at NETPHD.NET Wed Nov 8 16:09:41 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:09:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! Message-ID: This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- or plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site to get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if money grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! I know there are other benefits to being in the "fan club", but I'm 30 years old with kids. If I can make a show, I'll make it. If I can't, I can't. And while Buck is still the best damn guitar player in rock and roll and BOC is still the best damn rock and roll band on the planet, I have -- sadly -- become one of those folks for whom "it's only rock and roll" (but I like it!!!) It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would only put the discs on sale to the general public at a reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the first two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. Not sure that's smart business sense. --Nick P.S. I truly do envy those of you who have copies!!! Someday, hopefully, I'll be one of you. :( From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 8 15:22:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:22:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! In-Reply-To: <200011082109.QAA18786@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 8 Nov 00, at 16:09, Nick English wrote: > This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- or > plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site to > get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest > dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if money > grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! > > I know there are other benefits to being in the "fan > club", but I'm 30 years old with kids. If I can make a > show, I'll make it. If I can't, I can't. And while > Buck is still the best damn guitar player in rock and > roll and BOC is still the best damn rock and roll band > on the planet, I have -- sadly -- become one of those > folks for whom "it's only rock and roll" (but I like > it!!!) > Nick, I feel your pain and I agree with you. Maybe 20 years ago when I had a good job and a few bucks to squander [but 20 years ago the package probably would have gone for half that price--or less] I'd have given it a shot. Today it just seems insane... > It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would only > put the discs on sale to the general public at a > reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the first > two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. Not > sure that's smart business sense. > Right! How many BOC fans will fork over that kind of dough? But you never know, I guess. From what I gather from the other message boards, there's a considerable number of fans who travel the country making darn near every gig. Don't know how they do it? Independently wealthy? Trust fund from Daddy-O? Die hard fans who don't give a fuck? Again, maybe years ago, but not now. But, now, Nick, how much would you pay to see a BOC concert with the Bouchard brothers back in the band? theo > P.S. > > I truly do envy those of you who have copies!!! > Someday, hopefully, I'll be one of you. :( And me too. Don't mistake the above for contempt. I admire your willingness to support BD with your wallets... tj From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 8 16:28:05 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:28:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! In-Reply-To: <200011082109.QAA18786@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Nick English wrote: => It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would only => put the discs on sale to the general public at a => reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the first => two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. Not => sure that's smart business sense. What this likely does is simply play into the hands of the pirates and bootleggers. I wouldn't be surprised if these crop up on eBay before long, suitably renamed to disguise their origin. Either that, or someone will be giving them away for free, in butchered MPEG audio form, over Napster or Gnutella as a "protest" at the high price... Oh, well. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Wed Nov 8 18:49:39 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:49:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Friday Night in Clifton Park NY Set List Message-ID: Hi Could someone please repost the set list from the Northern Lights show? Jason, Theo, anyone, anyone? Buhler?? Thanks in advance Mike H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 8 19:53:09 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:23:09 +1030 Subject: Blackman Aid - a very worthy cause!! Message-ID: Hello good people!! You may remember me from way back in November at the BeeHive for the Brixton show. That guy from Australia that flew all the way from Australia to see Hawkwind! The one with the badges.... Well here he is again, with an itch to get back there for the Xmas show. If you havn't deleted this message by now I'll get straight to the point. I need a little help getting back. But Im not asking for free money. I am offering : 1 Original Name Badge and an original poster For $30 Australian Dollars (10 english pounds or $15 US approx) {this helps cover material costs as well as hopefully get me on a flight.} To be fair I will keep a log of all entries on my web site (of which only those participating will have access to. If the amount for the plane fair is not met I will donate any profits over my material costs to a charity that we agree upon. Feel free to express your feelings & thoughts on this by emailing me at michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au (not the ninja turtle thing - the artist) p.s. any heartfelt donations to this worthy cause will receive an autographed photo of ME as well as their name glorified on my Hawkwind fan web site for ...... a very long time ...... Artwork will be posted at the Electric Tepee in the next day or so. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Wed Nov 8 17:14:37 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:14:37 -0000 Subject: HW:Support Doll by Doll Message-ID: Someone mentioned seeing Jackie Leven or Doll By Doll open for Man or Deke Leonard. This make sense as Phil Ryan played organ and moog on the lp by Leven under the name John St. Field, "Control", a very different and psychedelic lp released only in Spain by Movieplay in 1975 I think, but was recorded in 1971 at Mayfair Studios. I could never get excited about Doll By Doll, thought they were pretty ordinary despite critical fawning at the time but the John St. Field lp is a great late night red-eye nodout fave, fluid West Coast style leads, some subtle moog, backwards effects, phasing, etc...Leven has stated in interviews that acid was a big, um influence at the time of the lp and it shows. Sorry about not being able to make it at the Beehive, it was too crowded by the tyme Sara and I arrived, we were told it was full up, but we had a blast at the show. John Stanton From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 9 03:23:46 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 03:23:46 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/4/00 Message-ID: 11/4/00 1.JFK Jr. Royal Airforce--Nobody's Flying the Plane (self-titled) 2.Robert Calvert--Ground Control to Pilot/Ejection (Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters) 3.Monoshock--Leesa (Walk to the Fire) 4.13th Floor Elevators--Fire Engine (The Psychedelic Sounds of...) 5.Tangerine Dream--Ashes to Ashes (Electronic Meditation) 6.F/i--Just To Get Us Off (Boy Dirt Car split/Space Mantra re-issue) 7.Pressurehed--Altitude/Bluff Creek and Beyond (Explaining the Unexplained) 8.Orb--Pomme Fritz (Pomme Fritz) 9.Twink--Angel/Peter the Pill (The Lost Experimental Recordings 1970) 10.Species Being--Track #2 (Orgone Therapy) 11.Hawkwind--Motorhead (Anthology/Acid Daze, 12" single, etc.) 12.Dead Kennedys--California Uber Alles (Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables; dedicated to Shandy) 13.Amon Duul II--Kanaan (Phallus Dei) 14.Guru Guru--Bo Diddly (Hinten) 15.Kraftwelt--Deranged (Space Box comp) 16.Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Co.--Music (1970-1973) 17.Robert Calvert--Bier Garden/Catch a Falling Starfighter (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters) 11/6/00 (3:15--5pm, PST) 1.Anubian Lights--A Question of Betrayal (Rare/Remix '96-'99) 2.Add N to X--Murmer One (On the Wires of Our Nerves) 3.Pressurhed--The Right Stuff (Infadrone) 4.AN EXHIBITION: Excerpt from Amon Duul II's "Stumbling Over Melted Moodlight", and then an excerpt from Add N to X's "Sound of Accelerating Concrete" to show the latter's rip-off of the former's "boing-boing-boing" percussion effect) 5.Amon Duul II--excerpts from Restless Skylight-Transistor Child (Dance of the Lemmings) interspersed w/Spacious Mind--Interplanetary Love Machine (Organic Mind Solution) 6.Hawkwind--Hashcake '77 (Anthology/Acid Daze) 7.Helios Creed--The Descent (X-Rated Fairy Tales) 8.Ozric Tentacles--Wreltch (Pungent Effulgent) 9.Escapade--Moving in Limbo (Inner Translucense) 10.Hawkwind--Brainstorm (Doremi Fasol Latido) 11.Spiral Realms--Solar Flares (Trip to G9) 12.Gong--Master Builder (You) 13.Architectural Metaphor (Odysseum Galacti; Space Box comp) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 03:24:12 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:24:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <200011081639.QAA10241@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: In article <200011081639.QAA10241 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes >Who else remembers the actress who played Clair Scott in Grange >Hill? Paula Ann Bland. after Grange Hill did a shoot for Club International. Exit stage left. > >And all-round family entertainer and hilarious funny-man Jimmy >Cricket? had the catch phrase "and there's more"..? -- Jon From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Nov 9 04:29:15 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:29:15 -0700 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001107164707.009a5470@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Urf, I thinks you\re confusing '89 and '90... "King of Kings' played at the Stone in '89, and I liked them (early Black Sabbath-meets-the Amboy Dukes) ("Uh, OK, here's the next song, we're not sure what it's called...") ..,but even better on their CD. The band yer thinking of at the One Step Beyond in '89 was Galactic Zoo (I've still got a phosphorescent star they threw and I caught). The I-Beam was '90 (see 'California Brainstorm' No REALLY do it, it's fantastic!!!), but I vividly remember a band I saw in '90 in Los Angeles at Club Lingere, who's name I mercifully don't remember, who were VERY upset that Hawkwind's equipment took up all the (very small) stage, and they were set up on the dance floor. They said something extremely stupid at one point, to the effect of "This is like we're stuck downstairs, so let's go upstairs and wreck all the stuff..." Lot's of HawkFans were NOT amused... KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:47 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:15:57 -0800, "John H. McCartney" wrote: >> P.S. The worst band I ever saw supporting Hawkwind were a local bad >> lite-metal band called PSI who played at the Omni in Oakland ... > >Uh, which one were they? As I recall, there were 3(?) openers that night, >and each and every one of them sucked like a black hole. They were the third of three. Fortunately I missed the first two openers 'cause I'd just gotten back from a weekend ski trip. >I stayed in the >bar until the last one finished (chatting with Harvey, Alan, & Richard), >then claimed my spot right up front and dead center. Ahh Bridget..... ... yeah, I'm a fan, too! In that case, we couldn't have been standing more than 5 or 10 feet apart. I was probably a bit to your right ... >The support at the Stone on the previous tour also blew dead goats. I >remember they were trying really hard to be Cream, and they were so bad >that when they were at the bar during Hawkwind's setup, everyone left >a clear space around them..... Was that King of Kings? I remember them being fairly unremarkable, but pretty inoffensive ("trying really hard to be Cream" sounds about right). Not nearly as bad as PSI, and I think Kevin Sommers (thanks again for the CD-R's!!) mentioned liking 'em. The other two Bay Area shows from those two tours had better support. I forget the name of (sometime boc-l member/lurker) Jeff "Stretch" Ridel's band (and I think I forgot how to spell his name - sorry, Jeff!), but they had a female singer and did a decent version of "Steppenwolf" at One Step Beyond in the South Bay. And the night after the Omni show, the San Francisco show at the I-Beam had the Bedbugs, who I thoroughly enjoyed (wierd semi-acoustic hippie noise improv, emphasis on the "wierd" and "noise"). As for the 1995 support band in San Francisco (at Slim's), I'll keep my mouth shut ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 04:50:52 2000 From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:50:52 +0000 Subject: Blackman Aid - plus weird cd's Message-ID: michael, It was very nice to meet you and the badges were brill so sign me and Julie up please (are you going to sign the posters ?) btw : for those of you interested in the weird cd's I've just got a voiceprint mail shot with weird 101 - 107 plus space brock, traveller's field glastonbury, official bootleg vol1 : complete 79 and official bootleg 2 : choose your masques cd's. The offer is 3 cd's for 25 ukp plus a free cd of canterburied sounds for all orders of 3 cd's. www.voiceprint.co.uk freephone (uk) 0500 829262 Toll Free (usa) 1-800-567-9185 Freephone (germany) 0130818502 Julie & Merrick French From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 05:22:29 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:22:29 -0000 Subject: Support Doll by Doll Message-ID: 'Twas me... The bit I forgot to mention was that I saw "John St. Field" as support to Man & Iceberg oin the "Up For The Day" tour way way back in time - he was very well received by the crowd... ChrisW ObCD: Godspeed You Black Emperor - Raise Your... John Stanton wrote: > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:15 PM > Subject: HW:Support Doll by Doll > > Someone mentioned seeing Jackie Leven or Doll By Doll open for Man or Deke > Leonard. This make sense as Phil Ryan played organ and moog on the lp by > Leven under the name John St. Field, "Control", a very different and > psychedelic lp released only in Spain by Movieplay in 1975 I think, but was > recorded in 1971 at Mayfair Studios. I could never get excited about Doll > By Doll, thought they were pretty ordinary despite critical fawning at the > time but the John St. Field lp is a great late night red-eye nodout fave, > fluid West Coast style leads, some subtle moog, backwards effects, phasing, > etc...Leven has stated in interviews that acid was a big, um influence at > the time of the lp and it shows. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 9 05:47:05 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 10:47:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Aside of Krel (best HW support band ever!) , but equally as good, were Porcupine Tree, who supported at Brixton in 1995! Guy T. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 9 06:54:48 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:54:48 EDT Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Nov 00, at 16:28, Paul Mather wrote: > What this likely does is simply play into the hands of the pirates and > bootleggers. I wouldn't be surprised if these crop up on eBay before > long, suitably renamed to disguise their origin. Either that, or > someone will be giving them away for free, in butchered MPEG audio > form, over Napster or Gnutella as a "protest" at the high price... > Yeah, I know...but I [naively] hope that doesn't happen. Much as I'd love to hear them, I wouldn't participate in anything to hurt BD, though I doubt BD's going to make a nickel on this project... theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 9 07:55:50 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:55:50 -0500 Subject: BOC Reference on Primetime Message-ID: This is second hand info since I do not usually watch TV. A co-worker that knows about my obsession told me about a show called "Welcome to New York" (I think). Anyway, there was a seen where one of the characters was blasting some music and doing a mean air-guitar. When another character asked what he was doing, he said something to the effect of, "Making a tape with some heavy tunes, you know, Van Halen, Blue Oyster Cult, Steve Miller Band - before that whole Abracadabra thing." From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Nov 9 08:36:58 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Mike Habiby) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:36:58 -0500 Subject: BOC Reference on Primetime Message-ID: Yep. Last night's episode. He was putting together a "car music" tape. Hall, Russell J wrote: > This is second hand info since I do not usually watch TV. > > A co-worker that knows about my obsession told me about a show called > "Welcome to New York" (I think). > Anyway, there was a seen where one of the characters was blasting some music > and doing a mean air-guitar. When another character asked what he was > doing, he said something to the effect of, > "Making a tape with some heavy tunes, you know, Van Halen, Blue Oyster > Cult, Steve Miller Band - before that whole Abracadabra thing." > > From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 08:54:29 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:54:29 -0500 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: >> > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently >> > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. >> >> A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., ah well, so >> much music, so little time > >I really recommend them.... deep basslines, tribal rhythms, a dark heady >exotic feel to the music. Not really electronica, something altogether more >primal. "Seven Songs" is one of my all-time favourite albums. Haven't heard >the new album (just called 23 Skidoo) yet. The 80s stuff is very hard to get >now, but supposedly will be re-released on CD in the near future. > >They have an excellent site at > >http://the-raft.com/23skidoo/ Just to correct my earlier posting: seems that the re-releases are already out. However, "The Gospel Comes To New Guinea", one of their best-ever tracks, appears to have been taken off "Seven Songs" and replaced with something I've never heard before. "Gospel" is available on a new CD of that name, which appears to be a compilation of singles and EPs. This would probably be the best place to start if you're new to the band. Also their website claims they never split up but just went, like, deeper underground, man. The new album has had very mixed reviews- a couple I've read have said it's surprisingly bland, and having listened to a bit on the website it does sound a lot smoother, less dark and menacing than the old stuff. Still, a few minutes of streaming audio over the Net hardly constitutes a fair listen. Well that about wraps it up for 23 Skidoo. By the way Chris- since you seem to be a man of eclectic tastes- do you like Nurse With Wound? I just discovered them (or him, seeing it's really a one-man show) in the last year or so and really love some of the stuff I've heard. From nick at NETPHD.NET Thu Nov 9 09:21:58 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:21:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! In-Reply-To: <200011082123.QAA23350@syr.edu> Message-ID: > But, now, Nick, how much would you pay to see a BOC concert with > the Bouchard brothers back in the band? > > theo Hard to put a hypothetical price on something like that, but I'd probably do just about whatever I could, within my circumstances, to make it. I would also probably pay a little more than regular CD price for a disc of brand new material from the old lineup. But not $150!!! Besides, I think Al does a good enough job giving us some of the ol' BOC magic on his Brain CDs. . . at no extra cost. --Nick From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 09:26:22 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:26:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice Hawk-credentials there, Jon ;-) Alasdair On 9 Nov 00, at 8:24, Jon Browne wrote: > In article <200011081639.QAA10241 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair > Macdonald writes > >Who else remembers the actress who played Clair Scott in Grange > >Hill? > > Paula Ann Bland. after Grange Hill did a shoot for Club International. > Exit stage left. > > > > >And all-round family entertainer and hilarious funny-man Jimmy > >Cricket? > > had the catch phrase "and there's more"..? -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 10:10:27 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:10:27 +0000 Subject: Blackman Aid - plus weird cd's In-Reply-To: <200011090950.JAA02049@cedar.dcs.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <200011090950.JAA02049 at cedar.dcs.shef.ac.uk>, Merrick Martin French writes >btw : for those of you interested in the weird cd's I've just got a voiceprint >mail shot with weird 101 - 107 plus space brock, traveller's field glastonbury, >official bootleg vol1 : complete 79 and official bootleg 2 : choose your masques >cd's. > >The offer is 3 cd's for 25 ukp plus a free cd of canterburied sounds for all >orders of 3 cd's. hey, I'm not bothered I bought all 7 at Brixton. much. -- Jon From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Nov 9 13:14:24 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 18:14:24 -0000 Subject: Blackman Aid - plus weird cd's Message-ID: don't voiceprint update their site much? i can't find any reference on it about the new wierd cd releases. colm -----Original Message----- From: Merrick Martin French To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 09 November 2000 09:52 Subject: Re: Blackman Aid - plus weird cd's >michael, > >It was very nice to meet you and the badges were brill so sign me and Julie up >please (are you going to sign the posters ?) > >btw : for those of you interested in the weird cd's I've just got a voiceprint >mail shot with weird 101 - 107 plus space brock, traveller's field glastonbury, >official bootleg vol1 : complete 79 and official bootleg 2 : choose your masques >cd's. > >The offer is 3 cd's for 25 ukp plus a free cd of canterburied sounds for all >orders of 3 cd's. > >www.voiceprint.co.uk > >freephone (uk) 0500 829262 >Toll Free (usa) 1-800-567-9185 >Freephone (germany) 0130818502 > > >Julie & Merrick French > From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Thu Nov 9 13:51:14 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:51:14 -0500 Subject: help make the U.K. shows happen!! Message-ID: As many of you know, I have been trying to make some shows happen in the U.K. Things are finally beginning to develop, but there is still alot of work ahead. If you live in the U.K. and you would like to help make these shows a reality please show your support by contacting the following via e-mail and letting the organizers know that Sloterdijk is worthy of an appearance. Making "psych" events happen is not easy, and the people that have considered hosting us would benefit greatly from some positive reinforcement because they have to "sell" these events, not just the public, but to other financiers. I have been contacted by Jon Jarret of the Cambridge Rock Society, who has invited me to perform in a "proposed psych themed event" in Cambridge, on an as yet undetermined date in february. I do not know who the other acts are that have been invited, with the exception of Alan Davey's band Bedouin..Bedouin has not gigged in Cambridge lately, and it's anyone's guess if they'll appear, but it's a possibilty I suppose..All I know is that they have been invited, via a postal address.. The Rock Society has not ( to my knowledge), yet made a decision whether or not to give Jon Jarret's proposal the go ahead..You can make a difference by writing the rock society and letting them know that there is an interest in this event and that you support Jon Jarret's proposal..Write to: rocksoc-committee at chiark.greenend.org.uk Also help bring Sloterdijk to Weston Super Mare!!! Help bring Sloterdijk to "Scallys" in Weston Super Mare, England this february!!!! visit www.scallys.co.uk or simply drop a note to martw at totalise.co.uk Cheers, MIke www.mp3.com/sloterdijk http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Thu Nov 9 14:37:58 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:37:58 -0500 Subject: 2 upcoming Philadelphia appearances.. Message-ID: Sloterdijk will be making two appearances in Philadelphia within the next 5 weeks or so, beginning next Monday, November 13th! Monday November 13th, the acoustic Sloterdijk will make an appearance at our favorite open mic; Fergie's Pub 1214 Sansom Street (215) 928-8118 or www.Fergies.com FREE...Not sure exactly what we''ll play except for "the reaper"... Friday December 15th: Dr. Watson's Pub 216 S. 11th Street, Philadelphia "An evening of prog and space rock" 21+ to enter $6.00 admission (215) 922-3427 Sloterdijk will perform last!!!! Lineup: Divided Sky Ploy Shirati (not confirmed) Sloterdijk http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 15:46:28 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:46:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Moorcock Message-ID: Ben, See other E-mail. Hope you're making a speedy recovery. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Moorcock Yes please Jez I'll give you about 10 CDRs for the lot. I dont think I got the second cuttings yet, could be wrong as I'm still in hospital. Very Best Ben J D wrote: Hi,All this talk of MM books has reminded me that my MM paperbook collection (approx 50) is up for grabs to anybody who will pay postage.I first got into HW in 75, but my first MM book was in 81 (probably due to Time Out Of Mind or maybe Sonic Attack).Anyway, I then bought a few Mayflower series books (mostly Corum) and then spent a lot of time in 2nd hand book shops looking for titles I'd not got or even buying ones purely for their different covers.Consequently I have lots of ones with covers that I have never since seen.I rarely read the same book twice and as they are all just stored in boxes in my loft I'm happy to part with them to anyone who wants them.I've no idea if any have "rarity" value or even if a collector's market exists.E-mail me privately if you want a list of titles together with publishers.Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are links to the webpage, mailing list, Lollipop shop Records, etc..Every so often the songs will change, but for now the following are available for listening or downloading: Integration Fred Goldman's Moustache The Thunderbirds enjoy, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 17:13:37 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:13:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8CDB@LNNT47> Message-ID: If you include Brixton all-nighters, then Chumbawamba and Utah Saints have to top the list. I also liked the Revolutionary Dub Warriors. Someone mentioned Radical Dance Faction. If you like them, you've probably already heard Asian Dub Foundation -- if you haven't, then you should! Dave. At 10:47 09/11/00, Thomas, Guy wrote: >Aside of Krel (best HW support band ever!) , but equally as good, were >Porcupine Tree, who supported at Brixton in 1995! > >Guy T. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 9 19:34:06 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:04:06 +1030 Subject: HW: t-shirts online Message-ID: Hi man Sorry but I couldn't find any new t shirts in the sales/merchadise centre of mission control Did you get the pic? (entry) Faithfully Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: t-shirts online > ++STAR WARRIORS > Hawkwind t-shirt online form updated > see for sale/merchandising pages on Mission Control > www.hawkwind.org.uk > ++MESSAGE ENDS > From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Nov 10 04:40:00 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:40:00 -0000 Subject: hw: BlackmanAid Message-ID: Oh, go on then. I got my badge in the Beehive, although later traded it for Susan Suchmans:-) As I'll be too skint to make it down to Brixton, I'll be happy to donate ?10 for such a worthy cause. Where do you want my money to go to. Stuart Hamilton PO Box 13499 Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist Web Design - http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri Nov 10 08:55:32 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:55:32 EST Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Im sorry ,I know this has been up before but I've accidently wiped my filing cabinet ! Could someone either please post a list of the weird tapes with Track lists and the differences between CDs and tapes, Or else give me an http where I can find this info. Eternal grateful thanx in advance alistair From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Fri Nov 10 14:27:39 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:27:39 -0000 Subject: christmas party Message-ID: Well I've ordered my ticket, but as I don't know London that well I've got to ask. Is there anywhere nearby to park? Bearing in mind the 29th is probably christmas sales (busy, busy, busy). Maybe I could travel by train, but is there a tube station nearby? Will it be open for when the gig ends? Anyone got any helpfull tips I would be very grateful Thanks Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Fri Nov 10 15:17:56 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:17:56 -0500 Subject: HW: t-shirts online In-Reply-To: <000e01c04aad$efa46560$11cd223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: I haven't been able to access Mission Control for quite some time. I keep getting "no response from server". Does anyone know the specific IP address?? At 11:04 AM 11/10/00 +1030, you wrote: >Hi man > >Sorry but I couldn't find any new t shirts in the sales/merchadise centre of >mission control > >Did you get the pic? (entry) > >Faithfully Michael Blackman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Rx >To: >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:43 AM >Subject: Re: HW: t-shirts online > > >> ++STAR WARRIORS >> Hawkwind t-shirt online form updated >> see for sale/merchandising pages on Mission Control >> www.hawkwind.org.uk >> ++MESSAGE ENDS >> From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Fri Nov 10 15:29:40 2000 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:29:40 -0000 Subject: christmas party Message-ID: Subject: christmas party >Well I've ordered my ticket, but as I don't know London that well I've got to ask. >Is there anywhere nearby to park? Bearing in mind the 29th is probably christmas sales (busy, busy, busy). There is. But if you don`t know the area well I wouldn`t suggest you try it personally. Also, with the early start you`re either looking at extortionatly expensive carparks or having to move it every hour or so (difficult once your in the gig!) as they (the traffic wardens) take down reg numbers and you`re limited to "no return within 1 hour" in many places before 6ish. Also it may take ages to actually find a space. >Maybe I could travel by train, but is there a tube station nearby? Tottenham Court Road underground station is literally 30 seconds from the Astoria. I would drive to your nearest Underground station at get the tube the rest of the way. That`s what I intend to do. >Will it be open for when the gig ends? Should be. Last trains are normally just after midnight I believe. Certainly I`ve trained back from the Astoria many times and never once had to leave early to do so. I don`t believe the gig is going to be a late one is it? Si From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 10 19:05:01 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:05:01 +0000 Subject: christmas party Message-ID: Si Halley wrote: > Subject: christmas party > > >Well I've ordered my ticket, but as I don't know London that well I've got > to ask. > >Is there anywhere nearby to park? Bearing in mind the 29th is probably > christmas sales (busy, busy, busy). > > There is. But if you don`t know the area well I wouldn`t suggest you try it > personally. Also, with the early start you`re either looking at > extortionatly expensive carparks or having to move it every hour or so > (difficult once your in the gig!) as they (the traffic wardens) take down > reg numbers and you`re limited to "no return within 1 hour" in many places > before 6ish. Also it may take ages to actually find a space. I agree, parking in the "west end" is extortionate, and you'll probably get towed - that's probably why the council tax is the lowest in the country. Get the tube. > >Maybe I could travel by train, but is there a tube station nearby? > > Tottenham Court Road underground station is literally 30 seconds from the > Astoria. I would drive to your nearest Underground station at get the tube > the rest of the way. That`s what I intend to do. Yep! It's literally just around the corner. > >Will it be open for when the gig ends? > > Should be. Last trains are normally just after midnight I believe. Certainly > I`ve trained back from the Astoria many times and never once had to leave > early to do so. I don`t believe the gig is going to be a late one is it? You'll have no problem getting home at that time, the tube will still be running. What pub shall we meet in? I suggest The Royal George - It's on Charing Cross Road and only about a minute down from the Astoria and they play reasonably good music in there, which makes a change from the rest of the Soho debris. Michael, are you bringing the badges? :-) Keef From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 11 02:32:37 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:02:37 +1030 Subject: Badges & Posters - HW Message-ID: Come & check out the stuff - all welcome!!! Badges - Posters Tell your friends - tell your neighbors!!!! http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Nov 11 19:04:43 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:04:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tape Trade Message-ID: Hello there... I don't think I saw any response to my earlier post asking for info about the boc-l tape trade. I've still got my CD-R here ready to send, and no name/address to send it to. Whoever is in the know about this, please e-mail me off-list...I don't want to get left out after having prepared something this time. Thanks in advance...Grakkl (FAA) From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 11 20:54:33 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:24:33 +1030 Subject: worms Message-ID: :) That nasty kak worm thing rear'd its ugly head again but my anti virus squashed im good. Ya beby - goot ol Norton Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 12 08:26:04 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:26:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Message-ID: Quite often the music played through the PA before and after the support was more interesting than the band. 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VANHUYSE FILIP HUNDELGEMSESTEENWEG 197 9050 LEDEBERG BELGIUM p.s.:so no more Vlaanderenstraat 37,9000 Gent greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Parr To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Hawkwind Book > Hello > > Just to let you know that "The Hawkwind Chronicles" book is completed and > I'll soon be mailing details of content, price and ordering. > > If you'd like to recieve a colour promo advert in the post, send me your > name, full > postal address to: > age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk > > The latest news on the book can be found on the following web page: > http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkwind_chrons.html > > If you want a bundle of adverts to distribute to friends/record shops etc, > please let me know how many? > > Hope to hear from you. > All the best > Age > > Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: > http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sun Nov 12 08:04:03 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:04:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Freq vinyl for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in buying a copy of Bob Calvert's Freq vinyl? Bought in the first week of release, played once only, hence mint condition. If so, E-mail me privately with offer. Highest bidder gets it. Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 13:39:03 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:39:03 -0000 Subject: Blackman Aid - plus weird cd's Message-ID: Hi, It may be a good offer - but beware!!!! The 3 or 4 volumes of the 'Canterburied Sounds' CD's were ropey stuff and mostly pretty dire quality - really early and pretty well of historical interest more than musical (even to many Canterbury music fans). Andy Garibaldi (back refreshed from 4 glorious vacation days in Dublin, Ireland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedroom trancer" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:14 PM > >The offer is 3 cd's for 25 ukp plus a free cd of canterburied sounds for > all > >orders of 3 cd's. > > > >www.voiceprint.co.uk > > > >freephone (uk) 0500 829262 > >Toll Free (usa) 1-800-567-9185 > >Freephone (germany) 0130818502 > > > > > >Julie & Merrick French > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 13:42:48 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:42:48 -0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approachForget the new album from the reformed band on Virgin and make sure you seek out the '80's releases when industrial was at a peak, although many of them will be vinyl only. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., ah well, so much music, so little time ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 14:20:26 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:20:26 -0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: yes - Bark Psychosis - phenomenal stuff. Another great one in the ambient dub field is the 'Dubnology' album, now a double at single CD price, I believe. Also, something that we at CD Services have sold by the truckload over the last year or two has been this amazing 12CD box set called 'Space and Bass'. Best thing about this, other than the fact that you get 12 CD's in a hard box case and jewelcases for under sixteen pounds, is that it has very few fillers and you get at least ten CD's of great stuff - there are familiar names such as FSOL, Orb, Porcupine Tree, Optica, Loop Guru, Orbital, Pentatonik, even I think, a Hawkwind track, but it's choc full of tons and tons of great stuff, some ambient, some amb dub, some amb trance, etc, etc. Recommended for sure for the 'beginner'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 8:56 PM Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > In message PDC>, Chris Warburton > writes > > > Macro-Dub... vol 1 is a MONSTER!!! did vol 2. ever appear? > > Certainly exists, though I don't possess a copy. > > > Try also: Autechre/The Black Dog/Bark Psychosis (the latter's "Hex" is one of my > > all time favourites!) > > Heard both Autechre and Black Dog on compilations, liked them both, > particularly Autechre. Never heard Bark Psychosis, will try to check them > out. > > [snip] > > > > > > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, recently > > > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. > > > > A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., ah well, so > > much music, so little time > > I really recommend them.... deep basslines, tribal rhythms, a dark heady > exotic feel to the music. Not really electronica, something altogether more > primal. "Seven Songs" is one of my all-time favourite albums. Haven't heard > the new album (just called 23 Skidoo) yet. The 80s stuff is very hard to get > now, but supposedly will be re-released on CD in the near future. > > They have an excellent site at > > http://the-raft.com/23skidoo/ > > Cheers > -- > Nick Medford From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 14:23:55 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:23:55 -0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Ah yes- Nurse With Wound - a guy called Steve Stapleton and have I got some stories about him in the archive. He was (he is still alive but I've not heard from him in years and years) proud possessor of one of the largest collections of Krautrock and Euro-rock in the world way back in '76, and a really great person to know. Memories....... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > >> > Anyone here like 23 Skidoo? One of my favourite bands ever, > recently > >> > reformed, though I missed them playing the Scala a few weeks ago. > >> > >> A band I've always thought I might like, but never actually heard..., > ah well, so > >> much music, so little time > > > >I really recommend them.... deep basslines, tribal rhythms, a dark heady > >exotic feel to the music. Not really electronica, something altogether more > >primal. "Seven Songs" is one of my all-time favourite albums. Haven't heard > >the new album (just called 23 Skidoo) yet. The 80s stuff is very hard to > get > >now, but supposedly will be re-released on CD in the near future. > > > >They have an excellent site at > > > >http://the-raft.com/23skidoo/ > > Just to correct my earlier posting: seems that the re-releases are already > out. However, "The Gospel Comes To New Guinea", one of their best-ever > tracks, appears to have been taken off "Seven Songs" and replaced with > something I've never heard before. "Gospel" is available on a new CD of > that name, which appears to be a compilation of singles and EPs. This would > probably be the best place to start if you're new to the band. > > Also their website claims they never split up but just went, like, deeper > underground, man. > > The new album has had very mixed reviews- a couple I've read have said it's > surprisingly bland, and having listened to a bit on the website it does > sound a lot smoother, less dark and menacing than the old stuff. Still, a > few minutes of streaming audio over the Net hardly constitutes a fair > listen. > > Well that about wraps it up for 23 Skidoo. > > By the way Chris- since you seem to be a man of eclectic tastes- do you > like Nurse With Wound? I just discovered them (or him, seeing it's really a > one-man show) in the last year or so and really love some of the stuff I've > heard. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 14:03:34 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:03:34 -0000 Subject: Blackman Aid - a very worthy cause!! Message-ID: Not too much to ask to help a fellow Hawkfan - give something tangible to someone this Xmas and help MB over here - it'll make you feel like you've contributed to a very worthy cause indeed - I'll be replying now. Andy G'b. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 12:53 AM Subject: Blackman Aid - a very worthy cause!! Hello good people!! You may remember me from way back in November at the BeeHive for the Brixton show. That guy from Australia that flew all the way from Australia to see Hawkwind! The one with the badges.... Well here he is again, with an itch to get back there for the Xmas show. If you havn't deleted this message by now I'll get straight to the point. I need a little help getting back. But Im not asking for free money. I am offering : 1 Original Name Badge and an original poster For $30 Australian Dollars (10 english pounds or $15 US approx) {this helps cover material costs as well as hopefully get me on a flight.} To be fair I will keep a log of all entries on my web site (of which only those participating will have access to. If the amount for the plane fair is not met I will donate any profits over my material costs to a charity that we agree upon. Feel free to express your feelings & thoughts on this by emailing me at michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au (not the ninja turtle thing - the artist) p.s. any heartfelt donations to this worthy cause will receive an autographed photo of ME as well as their name glorified on my Hawkwind fan web site for ...... a very long time ...... Artwork will be posted at the Electric Tepee in the next day or so. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 12 14:12:07 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:12:07 -0000 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! Message-ID: yeh - if I read it right on the Sony press release, Todd Rundgren tried something like that - you paid something like ten dollars a month to download 12 exclusive tracks over a year, and then, lo and behold, the album comes out on general release a while later, after the year is out and the money has rolled in. Musicians with regard for the fans where finances are concerned, may be hard to find these days in some quarters. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick English" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! > This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- or > plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site to > get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest > dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if money > grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! > > I know there are other benefits to being in the "fan > club", but I'm 30 years old with kids. If I can make a > show, I'll make it. If I can't, I can't. And while > Buck is still the best damn guitar player in rock and > roll and BOC is still the best damn rock and roll band > on the planet, I have -- sadly -- become one of those > folks for whom "it's only rock and roll" (but I like > it!!!) > > It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would only > put the discs on sale to the general public at a > reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the first > two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. Not > sure that's smart business sense. > > --Nick > > P.S. > > I truly do envy those of you who have copies!!! > Someday, hopefully, I'll be one of you. :( From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 12 15:04:55 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:04:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Chris Warburton wrote: > Now I'm just awaiting the arrival of Col. Jon "Custer" Jarrett with the 7th > Anti-Dance Cavalry *GGG* You malign me, this is an expanding are of interest for me, though I have to admit that so far only Orbital have really taken root in the collection. There is only so much money, and so many previous obsessions... Nonetheless, I've nothing against dance as a genre, just against the huge amount of uninspired chaff that seems to clog it for the newcomer. It's trip-hop I tend to to rail against, but that's only because it seems to get a response :-) Oh, and I only ever made Cdt. Sgt. Yours, Jon (who did as a result get to put a Chipmuck through a loop-the-loop, almost the sole reason for joining the Corps a long time ago) -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 12 16:43:55 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:43:55 +0000 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <019c01c04cdf$9d4f1ec0$930abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: In message <019c01c04cdf$9d4f1ec0$930abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Ah yes- Nurse With Wound - a guy called Steve Stapleton and have I got some >stories about him in the archive. He was (he is still alive but I've not >heard from him in years and years) You can catch up at www.brainwashed.com/nww (great site, well worth visiting.) >proud possessor of one of the largest >collections of Krautrock and Euro-rock in the world way back in '76, and a >really great person to know. -- Nick Medford From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Nov 12 17:56:28 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:56:28 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: is it just me but isn't there alot of hawkwind mp3's on napster these days? I remember a while back you were lucky to find a handfull!!!! colm From bart at ENGAGE.NU Sun Nov 12 18:23:48 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:23:48 +0100 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <007601c04cfb$d76fbb20$216e883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: > is it just me but isn't there alot of hawkwind mp3's on napster these days? > I remember a while back you were lucky to find a handfull!!!! I usally find about 20 songs...at max! thats not a lot. and nothing exciting...just the usual. --BArt np Sonic Youth Goo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 12 18:28:05 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:28:05 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/00 5:55:29 PM, colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET writes: << is it just me but isn't there alot of hawkwind mp3's on napster these days? I remember a while back you were lucky to find a handfull!!!! >> ========== in part this depends on who's online and what they possess; but in the month or so i've 'napstered' i've seen more than a handful. nah, i dont want 'em. but in the netherworld of mp3-related newsgroups, there were/are _vast_ quantities of HW. ...been snagging almost 2 a day of late, as i wont be paying 5 bucks a month for napster or any other service. <> so hush. From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 12 19:23:56 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:23:56 +0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: When I first started using Napster over 6 months ago I would be battling to pick up one or two songs - but now every time I search I get the maximum 100 results. I search more for ICU, Pink Fairies, Ozric Tentacles nowadays. I've never listened to Blue Oyster Cult songs though. Any recommendations? I get a lot of incomplete songs while using Napster. How are they going to overcome this when they start charging a monthly rate? Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > In a message dated 11/12/00 5:55:29 PM, colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET writes: > > << is it just me but isn't there alot of hawkwind mp3's on napster these days? > > I remember a while back you were lucky to find a handfull!!!! > > >> > ========== > in part this depends on who's online and what they possess; but in the month > or so i've 'napstered' i've seen more than a handful. > nah, i dont want 'em. > > but in the netherworld of mp3-related newsgroups, there were/are _vast_ > quantities of HW. > > ...been snagging almost 2 a day of late, as i wont be paying 5 bucks a month > for napster or any other service. > > > <> > so hush. > From coral at APORT.RU Sun Nov 12 19:43:26 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:43:26 +0300 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Well... Through Napster servers I downloaded four Hawkwind bootlegs, Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques albums. Davey's Bedouin and Chaos Delight. Bainbridge live. Agents of Chaos. Some Turner stuff. And a lot of rare songs, cover-versions, etc. These albums I can't find anywhere else here so Napster helped me a lot. Alissa From bart at ENGAGE.NU Sun Nov 12 19:48:38 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:48:38 +0100 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <000d01c04d0a$c0153180$286677d4@ghostwheel2> Message-ID: On 13 Nov 2000, at 3:43, Alissa wrote: > Well... Through Napster servers I downloaded four Hawkwind bootlegs, Sonic > Attack and Choose Your Masques albums. Davey's Bedouin and Chaos Delight. > Bainbridge live. Agents of Chaos. Some Turner stuff. And a lot of rare > songs, cover-versions, etc. That's cool! I always get songs from space ritual, and other familiair stuff. downloaded the new monstermagnet though. nothing special... --BArt From coral at APORT.RU Sun Nov 12 20:00:37 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 04:00:37 +0300 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: > That's cool! > I always get songs from space ritual, and other familiair stuff. > > downloaded the new monstermagnet though. nothing special... I advice you to use audiognome client - www.naphoria.org.uk - you can choose servers and resume files with it. Alissa From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 12 20:08:57 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 20:08:57 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/00 7:24:02 PM, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: << I get a lot of incomplete songs while using Napster. How are they going to overcome this when they start charging a monthly rate? >> ====== hmmm good question. if the person you're snagging from disconnects from napster or goes offline, 'poof'. and does anyone know what 'ping' means? had a lousy night on thursday, went '1 for 9'. i have the best luck going for two, then starting over w/2 more. recent acquisitions: ha ha ha FLIPPER i'm gonna wash that man right out of my hair "SOUTH PACIFIC" SOUNDTRACK LP public image PIL down in the boondocks BILLY JOE ROYAL love will tear us apart JOY DIVISION bird dog EVERLY BROTHERS etc etc etc "<>" From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 12 22:00:02 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:30:02 +1030 Subject: Starfield CD Message-ID: Have been listening to the STARFIELD cd for a couple of days now and would recomend it to anyone - very cool tracks in my opinion! 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Mark (Hasbeen) Well I've ordered my ticket, but as I don't know London that well I've = got to ask. Is there anywhere nearby to park? Bearing in mind the 29th is probably = christmas sales (busy, busy, busy). Maybe I could travel by train, but is there a tube station nearby? Will = it be open for when the gig ends? Anyone got any helpfull tips I would be very grateful Thanks Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From IainFerguson at CS.COM Mon Nov 13 05:04:30 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 05:04:30 EST Subject: RE-HW TV appearance (old) Message-ID: Andi, I taped it a few years ago, all I can remember ( tape in the vast loft of ours) is that Bridget was on a couple of numbers, and Harvey sang "into the box"? Bridget was mummified to a wooden post with bandages " all rather Bob C " from the Hawklords booklet that came with 25 years. cant remember the rest , though I seem to remember Golden Void being played. Quality was good. Iain From IainFerguson at CS.COM Mon Nov 13 05:07:25 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 05:07:25 EST Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Sorry man, But Magnum are the only band that have managed to make we walk out of a hall at a hawkwind gig. Even Baron Rojo were better then them. As for Doll by Doll, well technically they were the first band I ever saw live as they supported Hawkwind, so I've got a bit of a soft spot for them Regards Iain From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 13 05:06:24 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:06:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: Expected response received *GGGG* Of course I malign you... keeping a general glow just short of a "flame" is half the fun... passme some more charcoal Mabel! Chipmuck? Is that what was in yr pants after the loop *ROTFLOL* Aggravatingly Yours, ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Jarrett [mailto:jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK] > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Chris Warburton wrote: > > > Now I'm just awaiting the arrival of Col. Jon "Custer" > Jarrett with the 7th > > Anti-Dance Cavalry *GGG* > > You malign me, this is an expanding are of interest > for me, though > I have to admit that so far only Orbital have really taken root in the > collection. There is only so much money, and so many previous > obsessions... Nonetheless, I've nothing against dance as a genre, just > against the huge amount of uninspired chaff that seems to > clog it for the > newcomer. It's trip-hop I tend to to rail against, but that's > only because > it seems to get a response :-) > > Oh, and I only ever made Cdt. Sgt. Yours, > Jon (who > did as a result > get to put a Chipmuck through a loop-the-loop, almost the > sole reason for > joining the Corps a long time ago) > > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 13 05:32:54 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:32:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tape Trade In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:04:43 EST." <200011120012.TAA23413@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I mailed everybody on the tape trade with their destination addresses about 3 weeks back. Some got through, others obviously not. I'll mail out again off list. BTW, whats all this CDR malarky ? Its a tape trade :) I hope everybody in the trade has cd capability ! Tim From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 13 05:23:00 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:23:00 -0000 Subject: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Message-ID: Before the support band at the Hawkestra night, the whole of PT's "Sky Moves Sideways" was played! Guy -----Original Message----- From: david hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: 12 November 2000 13:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Quite often the music played through the PA before and after the support was more interesting than the band. In the early eighties ICU got quite an airing. From 86 on it was dub: African Headcharge and the Dub Syndicate I think. Perhaps Dave B can confirm. Dave From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 13 07:25:56 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:25:56 -0400 Subject: napster, BOC and mp3's In-Reply-To: <007a01c04d08$0355b6c0$54473bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: Bill wrote: > I search more for ICU, Pink Fairies, Ozric Tentacles nowadays. > I've never listened to Blue Oyster Cult songs though. Any recommendations? The tune that got me into the band was (Don't Fear) The Reaper. You're bound to find dozens of opportunities to download it too. Other favorites: The Red & The Black, Hot Rails to Hell, Dominance & Submission, Astronomy, Black Blade, Veteran of the Psychic Wars, Harvest Moon. All ranging from heavy and rough-sounding, to heavy and well-produced. :-) Brian Who likes cowbells, to a point. -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 13 09:28:57 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:28:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:26:04 -0000, david hall wrote: >Quite often the music played through the PA before and after the support was more interesting than the band. In the early eighties ICU got quite an airing. From 86 on it was dub: African Headcharge and the Dub Syndicate I think. Perhaps Dave B can confirm. > >Dave > Never certain how much control the band themselves have over this. At the Hawkestra night the DJ played the same 30 secs of Massive Attack over and over (on a loop?) while Bedouin were setting up. Much as I enjoyed hearing MA's "Mezzanine" album at a Hawk gig, I was getting decidedly restless by that point. At Croydon last year the PA played Swans most of the evening- pretty good. I remember a previous gig though where a very lengthy and enormously tedious Van Halen track was inflicted on the Hawk audience- not good. African Head Charge were a GREAT band! Be nice to think Dave B was responsible for that. But I suspect it's down to the venue. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Nov 13 09:41:18 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:41:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: hehehe Might be a fun topic thread to watch die pitifully. My fave cowbell inflected tune is "Whiskey Train" by Procol Harum -- one of the few tunes they did w/out organ or strings (grin). Its my understanding too that Leslie West once covered the track, and there's a cowbell in Mississippi Queen (shouldn't she see a doctor? the flying doctor?) Boo! Jason From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 13 09:48:46 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:48:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! Message-ID: I've been out a few days - I was in, of all places, Washington D.C (hey, maybe here's a case where it's NOT Steve Swann's fault...) - but wanted to comment on the Buck CD deal. First, I sympathize with those that can't afford the package, or at least feel that it isn't reasonable to spend that much to get this stuff. Further, I wish it was done such that one could buy just the CDs individually, but that isn't the deal. Why? Not completely sure, but I suspect it has a lot to do with ensuring this is a "fans-only" thing, and that these recordings WON'T start showing up on places like Napster. > > This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- or > plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site to > get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest > dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if money > grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! Actually, if we were ONLY talking about CDs, then we're talking about around $40 for a CD. Sure, that's high, although many bootlegs could run close to that. And, we are talking about unreleased stuff from Buck's personal collection that has been restored from the original demo tapes and pressed to CD. I suspcet that there was some calculation involved as to how many copies Buck thought he would realistically sell (certainly not more than a few thousand, I suspect) balanced against production/distribution costs. Then again, if you figure that the other stuff you get in the package (autographed photo, t-shirt, laminate, and website access) is worth, say, $30 by itself, then you are talking about a cost of around $30 per CD - again, a bit high, but perhaps not unreasonable given the content. Then again, as I've stated, this stuff isn't for everyone in the first place. The casual fan may listen to most of this stuff ONCE, and have little desire to do so again. It is geared to the die-hard collector. > Right! How many BOC fans will fork over that kind of dough? But > you never know, I guess. From what I gather from the other > message boards, there's a considerable number of fans who travel > the country making darn near every gig. Don't know how they do it? > Independently wealthy? Trust fund from Daddy-O? Die hard fans > who don't give a fuck? A mixture of all the above I suspect. I guess the attitude you should take is that if BOC is sort of one of your "hobbies", so to speak, this is probably a small price to pay. If you just like good music, it may not be worth the $$. Personally, I never understood the mentality of travelling all over to see BOC gigs - but there are a bunch of fans that do it. The costs of doing so probably far outweigh these CDs. But, to each his/her own. While some can't afford the $$ to get these CDs, others (like me) can't afford to take the time from family and work to see any BOC show within a 300 mile radius. > Again, maybe years ago, but not now. > But, now, Nick, how much would you pay to see a BOC concert with > the Bouchard brothers back in the band? Interesting argument. > What this likely does is simply play into the hands of the pirates and > bootleggers. I wouldn't be surprised if these crop up on eBay before > long, suitably renamed to disguise their origin. Either that, or > someone will be giving them away for free, in butchered MPEG audio > form, > over Napster or Gnutella as a "protest" at the high price... I disagree, and in fact think the OPPOSITE is true. Who is going to spend $150 to give this stuff away for free? If they spent $50, I could see some folks doing it - but I suspect the high price in part may have been intended to discourage pirates/bootleggers. Only the die-hard fans are going to get this, and they probably have a strong allegiance to Buck. That's my guess anyway. John From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 13 09:55:13 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:55:13 -0700 Subject: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8CDE@LNNT47> Message-ID: Was that what I heard whilst I was standing a various queues for near THREE hours? Kevin Sommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Thomas, Guy Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:23 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Before the support band at the Hawkestra night, the whole of PT's "Sky Moves Sideways" was played! Guy -----Original Message----- From: david hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: 12 November 2000 13:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Quite often the music played through the PA before and after the support was more interesting than the band. In the early eighties ICU got quite an airing. From 86 on it was dub: African Headcharge and the Dub Syndicate I think. Perhaps Dave B can confirm. Dave From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 13 09:56:01 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:56:01 -0500 Subject: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: Lowrider! > -----Original Message----- > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:41 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell > > hehehe > Might be a fun topic thread to watch die pitifully. > > My fave cowbell inflected tune is > "Whiskey Train" by Procol Harum -- one of the few tunes they did > w/out organ or strings (grin). > > Its my understanding too that Leslie West once covered the track, and > there's > a cowbell in Mississippi Queen (shouldn't she see a doctor? the flying > doctor?) > > Boo! > Jason From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 13 09:09:32 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:09:32 -0400 Subject: Favorite song with cowbell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's better than Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog" anyway. ;-) Now you're messin with, Brian > Lowrider! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:41 AM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell >> >> hehehe >> Might be a fun topic thread to watch die pitifully. >> >> My fave cowbell inflected tune is >> "Whiskey Train" by Procol Harum -- one of the few tunes they did >> w/out organ or strings (grin). >> >> Its my understanding too that Leslie West once covered the track, and >> there's >> a cowbell in Mississippi Queen (shouldn't she see a doctor? the flying >> doctor?) >> >> Boo! >> Jason From micci at SCI.FI Mon Nov 13 10:16:38 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:16:38 +0200 Subject: OFF:Dark Sun Message-ID: HOT NEWS: Dark Sun gig at Gloria, Helsinki, on the 17th of November, will be broadcasted live on the net (www.yle.fi/free). Show time at 22.30 GMT, 0.30 Finnish time. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon Nov 13 12:23:04 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:23:04 +0000 Subject: RE-HW TV appearance (old) In-Reply-To: <8f.2d6bbff.274116ae@cs.com> Message-ID: >Andi, >I taped it a few years ago, all I can remember ( tape in the vast loft of >ours) is that Bridget was on a couple of numbers, and Harvey sang "into the >box"? > >Bridget was mummified to a wooden post with bandages " all rather Bob C " >from the Hawklords booklet that came with 25 years. > >cant remember the rest , though I seem to remember Golden Void being played. > >Quality was good. > >Iain Like I said.....It was the 'Live Legends' gig, originally done for Central Television. Melvyn From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Nov 13 13:29:02 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:29:02 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: could you tell us what ng they are? cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 November 2000 23:30 Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's >In a message dated 11/12/00 5:55:29 PM, colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET writes: > ><< is it just me but isn't there alot of hawkwind mp3's on napster these days? > >I remember a while back you were lucky to find a handfull!!!! > > >> >========== >in part this depends on who's online and what they possess; but in the month >or so i've 'napstered' i've seen more than a handful. >nah, i dont want 'em. > >but in the netherworld of mp3-related newsgroups, there were/are _vast_ >quantities of HW. > >...been snagging almost 2 a day of late, as i wont be paying 5 bucks a month >for napster or any other service. > > ><> >so hush. > From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 13 13:47:51 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:47:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Taped music and DJ's at gigs (dub!!) Message-ID: Hmm I still can't get that damn Massive Attack Loop out of my head. Round and Round. Round and Round. The Song Sounds All Wrong with Vocals on it ;-) Rich Hopefully Tomorrow I'm going portable on the internet front. I'm get one of those funky new Motorola V100 Email/Texting/Wap iMac coloured thing with a baby qwerty keyboard, heh. Mobile Email :-0 Anyone done BOC-L on an email phone? Any more technology and my heads going to explode. (For the really sad techies on the list there is now a telnet client for Wap, which means you can telnet to your favorite internet chats, or onto that server you really need to fix) From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 13 13:58:40 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:58:40 GMT Subject: BOC: HW: Those Buck CDs & Hawkwind & Napster ?s Message-ID: > > I wouldn't be surprised if these crop up on eBay before > > long, suitably renamed to disguise their origin. Either that, or > > someone will be giving them away for free, in butchered MPEG audio > > form, > > over Napster or Gnutella as a "protest" at the high price... > > >I disagree, and in fact think the OPPOSITE is true. Who is going to >spend $150 to give this stuff away for free? If they spent $50, I could >see some folks doing it - but I suspect the high price in part may have >been intended to discourage pirates/bootleggers. Only the die-hard fans >are going to get this, and they probably have a strong allegiance to >Buck. > >That's my guess anyway. > >John Yes I think John is right here. There's a similar situation with the King Crimson Collectors' Series, which is a project similar to the Buck archive CDs, only it has more than 10 CDs by now (12, I think). They're also pricy (altho not quite as pricy as the Archive CDs), and also sold in mailorder only. And fans seem to respect the fact that this is really a goodwill gesture on part of Robert Fripp (King Crimson frontman), who, like Buck, IMHO will certainly not make a fortune on it. I've _never_ seen _any_ Collectors' stuff on Napster (again: there's more than 10 CDs of it), and I haven't even looked for the Archive material. (Since people are giving contradictory reviews of the Collectors' stuff, I'd like to listen for myself before I venture on mailordering) There is some BOC bootleg material on Napster, offhand I remember I saw live versions of "Flaming telepaths" and "Career of evil". No "Arthur comics", though, or "Wings of mercury", which I was kinda hoping for... but if you just type "Blue Oyster Cult", 96 out of 100 results are going o be "The Reaper". On a Hawkwind note (bear in mind I'm a novice HW fan), I've downloaded & listened to "Doremi fasol latido" and "Quark strangeness & charm", cause I heard they are great albums, and I ordered both from CDnow. A lot of the actual released albums can not actually be found at CDnow, Amazon etc. (eg In search of space, Astounding sounds), and they usually only have 24bit gold whatever releases of the 70s albums, which I'm not inclined to buy at this time. I've seen some HW bootlegs on Napster, while searching for "Urban guerilla" and "Silver machine" (which I take it are HW equivalents of the Big 3) I got results like "audience recording [some place] '79 w/Calvert" or things like that. So I guess a more knowledgable fan would be able to find more bootleg HW stuff. General Napster issues that have come up: Ping # - when your modem establishes a connection, it first sends a ping signal to determine if there is in fact a connection or if it's a dead link. the other side responds with their own png. *the lower their ping is, the faster the connection will be*. I avoid downloading anything over 200 (ping number=200). if it says "N/A" than the other person's connection is very good and not firewalled (firewalled connections tend to have very high ping #s). Number of results - this depends on your area and if Napster servers around you are clustered or not. All servers in the USA are clustered (which means you can contact anyone connected to your cluster of servers) and a lot in Europe are (not all, though). Elsewhere, like Australia, I'm not sure. The number of users/files available usually tells it. If there's less than 500,000 libraries available when you connect, you probably won't be able to find a rare item, like a HW bootleg. In the weekends, I sometimes get more than 1,500,000 libraries (but I doubt this is possible in Europe) and can find practically anything. Servers seem to have a funny way of clustering so they are configured one way today and a different way tomorrow. That's why I sometimes can't "see" other users who I know are online at the moment. Hopefully this will be fixed soon. Hope that helps, Johnny _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 13 14:05:55 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:05:55 -0800 Subject: Off: Tecno etc. was HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:43:55 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <019c01c04cdf$9d4f1ec0$930abc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW >GARIBALDI writes >>Ah yes- Nurse With Wound - a guy called Steve Stapleton and have I got some >>stories about him in the archive. He was (he is still alive but I've not >>heard from him in years and years) > >You can catch up at www.brainwashed.com/nww (great site, well worth >visiting.) And while you're there, be absolutely certain to check out the "influences" list at the bottom of the page at: http://brainwashed.com/nww/links.html No where else will you see *so many* incredibly cool musical entities listed in one place ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Mon Nov 13 18:49:34 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:49:34 -0800 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! Message-ID: In my opinion, it seems he's taking advantage of his most loyal fans. Ya'll think it's a character flaw? --- ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > yeh - if I read it right on the Sony press release, > Todd Rundgren tried > something like that - you paid something like ten > dollars a month to > download 12 exclusive tracks over a year, and then, > lo and behold, the album > comes out on general release a while later, after > the year is out and the > money has rolled in. Musicians with regard for the > fans where finances are > concerned, may be hard to find these days in some > quarters. > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick English" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:09 PM > Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! > > > > This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- > or > > plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site > to > > get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest > > dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if > money > > grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! > > > > I know there are other benefits to being in the > "fan > > club", but I'm 30 years old with kids. If I can > make a > > show, I'll make it. If I can't, I can't. And > while > > Buck is still the best damn guitar player in rock > and > > roll and BOC is still the best damn rock and roll > band > > on the planet, I have -- sadly -- become one of > those > > folks for whom "it's only rock and roll" (but I > like > > it!!!) > > > > It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would > only > > put the discs on sale to the general public at a > > reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the > first > > two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. > Not > > sure that's smart business sense. > > > > --Nick > > > > P.S. > > > > I truly do envy those of you who have copies!!! > > Someday, hopefully, I'll be one of you. :( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 13 19:45:20 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:45:20 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alissa" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:43 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > Well... Through Napster servers I downloaded four Hawkwind bootlegs, Sonic > Attack and Choose Your Masques albums. Davey's Bedouin and Chaos Delight. > Bainbridge live. Agents of Chaos. Some Turner stuff. And a lot of rare > songs, cover-versions, etc. > > These albums I can't find anywhere else here so Napster helped me a lot. > > Alissa From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Mon Nov 13 19:45:04 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:45:04 -0800 Subject: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: Favorite song with a cowbell: Head East did a song "Never Been Any Reason" Off the disk Flat as a Pancake, 1975 One of my all time favorite songs. Check it out. --- Brian Halligan wrote: > It's better than Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog" > anyway. ;-) > > Now you're messin with, > Brian > > > > Lowrider! > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > [SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:41 AM > >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >> Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell > >> > >> hehehe > >> Might be a fun topic thread to watch die > pitifully. > >> > >> My fave cowbell inflected tune is > >> "Whiskey Train" by Procol Harum -- one of the few > tunes they did > >> w/out organ or strings (grin). > >> > >> Its my understanding too that Leslie West once > covered the track, and > >> there's > >> a cowbell in Mississippi Queen (shouldn't she see > a doctor? the flying > >> doctor?) > >> > >> Boo! > >> Jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 13 20:25:52 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:55:52 +1030 Subject: RE-HW TV appearance (old) Message-ID: Sounds alot like my copy of LIVE LEGENDS I bought recently Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:34 PM Subject: Re: RE-HW TV appearance (old) > Andi, > I taped it a few years ago, all I can remember ( tape in the vast loft of > ours) is that Bridget was on a couple of numbers, and Harvey sang "into the > box"? > > Bridget was mummified to a wooden post with bandages " all rather Bob C " > from the Hawklords booklet that came with 25 years. > > cant remember the rest , though I seem to remember Golden Void being played. > > Quality was good. > > Iain From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 13 21:05:50 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:05:50 +0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Andy said: > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have improved since! And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're released. I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's just wouldn't feel right. :-) Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert Calvert stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. Cheers Bill From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Nov 13 23:51:56 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:51:56 -0600 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Napster is a really sticky situation. There is alot of obscure music out there that Napster has enabled those of us who may not otherwise obtain such music, due to perhaps availability in local record shops or via internet or perhaps not due to the fact that some recordings are not available in the latest format. Therefore, Napster has been a great avenue for discovering perhaps otherwise unavailable music for those of us who have perhaps been deprived of availability or the means to play it, and subsequently seek out and purchase other recordings which allow for the reimbursement of royalties. The idea of it being free, I think, in that sense, is insignicant in that it allows for the introduction and discovery of obscure material for those of us who may not have other means of obtaining it, and subsequently decide to purchase recordings that are easily available via normal channels. That is what was cool about the idea of Napster. I think the evolution of Napster whereby they intend to charge fees for usage is a great idea if, in fact, it can be enforced that the artists who's music is downloaded will be paid royalties. I would definitely not be opposed to it, if this was the case, and would happily pay a monthly fee for the service. At this time, however, for example, where in the hell can I buy the Hawkwind album Alien 4? I found some songs via Napster, but have not been able to find a place to purchase the album (CD)? I would purchase it if I could find it, but in the meantime, due to my psychotic pursuit of All Things Hawkwind, I managed to download a couple of songs, darnit, and am quite happy do discover yet other New To Me Hawkwind Material, and was quite happy to hear it. (If royalties are required as a result of this, then how much, and who do I pay?...that is the sticky part.) On another hand, an extreme example is David Allen Coe, who has a couple of hilarious country albums out (XXX rated) that are not available in stores, never were, and the albums are probably out of print. Some real gems there, but if he expects on receiving royalties, how does he intend on collecting? Then again, he made the music to be heard, and if Napster can come up with a way to pay him royalties, then great, but in the meantime, what can we do, except for appreciate his music and pass it on to others who may decide to buy legitimate recordings. On the other hand, Bill & Cynthia wrote: > Andy said: > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never > heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have improved > since! > And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're released. > I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's just > wouldn't feel right. :-) > Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert Calvert > stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. > > Cheers > Bill From coral at APORT.RU Tue Nov 14 02:25:03 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:25:03 +0300 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > Andy Garibaldi. aha, maybe you'll deliver them to russia????? If I find them on cds I'll buy but where can I find them here??????? From coral at APORT.RU Tue Nov 14 03:25:23 2000 From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:25:23 +0300 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... They are even not available through amazion or cdnow. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 14 03:27:06 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:27:06 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/11/00 Message-ID: 11/11/00 (5-8pm PST this week) 1.Robert Calvert--Franz Joseph Strauss, Defence Minister, Reviews the German Luftwaffe in 1958, Finding it Somewhat Lacking in Image Potential/Aerospaceage Inferno (Caprtain Lockheed and the Starfighters) 2.Helios Creed--Un-human Condition (X-Rated Fairy Tales) 3.Species Being--Track #3 (Orgone Therapy) 4.Fuxa--100 White Envelopes (3 Field Rotation) 5.Hardy--Space/Vortex/Before the Nightmare/Access Denied/The Light (The Light) 6.Hawkwind--Back in the Box/Arrival in Utopia (Minneapolis 10/4/89 live cassette) 7.F/i--Shallow Inlet of the Meadow (Space Mantra) 8.Anubian Lights--Soul Herder (The Eternal Sky) 9.Pressurehed--Black Mantra (Explaining the Unexplained) 10.Das Ludicroix--Neo-Serenity ("Moonhealing Activation" cassette) 11.Salome--5118 (a.m.) 12.Mandarin--Even Ghosts Wear Shadows (Driftline; thanks to Two Ohm Hop) 13.Tea Party--Raven Skies (Splendor Solis) 14.Daniel Lanois--St. Anne's Gold (Acadie) 15.System 7--Desir (System Express) 16.Orb--More Gills Less Fishcakes (Pomme Fritz) 17.ST 37--New Arrival/Translunar Injection (Strange Daze '97 comp) 18.Quarkspace--Farienot Space (Strange Daze '97) 19.Alien Planetscapes--Soft Martian (Strange Daze '97) 20.Muslim Gauze--title track (Abu Nidal) 21.Fuxa--Tokerean Parade (3 Field Rotation) 22.Cluster--Caramba (Zuckerzeit)/Halwa (Sowiesoso) 23.Kraftwerk--Ohm Sweet Ohm (Radio-Activity) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. 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Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 14 04:13:53 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:13:53 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <3A10C4EB.45514657@petronet.net> Message-ID: > At this time, however, for example, where in the hell can I buy > the Hawkwind > album Alien 4? Have you tried Hawkdisc (which is basically EBS mail order)? They might still have some, hawkdisc at aol.com, but if they don't then you're probably out of luck. There is an element of two-facedness in the whole Napster thing, the record industry has been giving music away for years in the form of singles, which make no money at all. They even pay to get them played on the radio and in the charts... I'm not sure hypocrisy is the right word, it's more a collective panic. It's settling down already though. -- Andy www.andygilham.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 14 05:25:47 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:25:47 +0000 Subject: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 2000, Johnny Firic wrote: > > > How does it compare sound wise to other MM albums? Can you > > > compare it to other discs? > > > >Soundwise it?s better than Superjudge but not as good as Powertrip. Some > >very > >good swooshy synth effects in full stereo can be heard though. > >Hope that helps. > > Ugh - I couldn't _disagree_ more. "Dopes to infinity" vs. "Powertrip" is > just like "Secret Treaties" vs. "Agents of fortune". "Dopes" is one of THE > albums for me, it just has everything. It starts off very heavy (the 1st > song is prolly the heaviest on the album, and also the 2nd track, the > Warhead). It gets trippier later, with longer guitar/synth jams, around the > middle of the album. Then, at the end, my favorite part, "Dead Christmas", > "King of Mars", "Theme from Masterburner", "Vertigo" - four quiet, slow, but > still heavy songs ("Theme" is an instrumental). And that wierd coda in the > end. Not to mention the lyrics - their best lyrics are on this album > (especially I think "Blow 'em off" has great lyrics). I agree with this, except that the original thread was about the new album, not _Dopes_. I find _Dopes_ drags a little towards the end. `Third Alternative' and `Vertigo' go on for too long for my liking, and there's only `Dead Christmas' (which is great) to break up the sludge. > "Powertrip" is a classic sellout album. Only the first song ("Crop circle") > and the last one ("Your lies become you") could fit on any of their previous > albums. The rest is IMO not as good, more pop-wise written songs. It's all > "heavy metal", but more like a cross Metallica and Misfits, the songs are > straightforward verse-chorus type of songs, with almost no jams at all. A > better balance of the Misfits-like songs and their "classic" jammy songs > would have been much better IMO. It's not a bad album overall, but certainly > not as good as "Dopes". It is in fact a heavy metal album, except for the Hawkwind rip-off `Bummer', which is pretty cool, and the garage psych numbers - I think `19 Witches' and `See You in Hell' are both damn good songs, just not what anything except the earliest MM (remember `Longhair'?) would lead you to expect. And then of course there's `Goliath and the Vampires' which is a marvellous thing to have on a sell-out album. The heavy-metal equivalent of `Brainticket'... > Otther albums: Superjudge - similar to "Dopes", but not as good, with slower > songs and lots and lots of overlaying guitars. The only standout song is > "Cage around the sun", I would say. If you liked "Dopes" you'll prolly like > "Superjudge" as well. I think _Superjudge_ is as you say a less good _Dopes_ but I have to champion `Dinosaur Vacume' which is top-class. > "Spine of God" - nothing but jams here. It's been more than a year since I > listened to this one. Nowhere near as heavy as the later albums, but the > jams don't really do the job either. Sorry, this one just isn't very good. Well, listen to it again, it's the *best*! `Nod Scene' and `Spine of God' are the origins of stoner rock that isn't derived from Kyuss. In no way are these jam songs, and the cover of Grand Funk's `Sin's a Good Man's Brother' is likewise on-the-nail rock'n'roll. The first two I mentioned, you can practically see dope smoke puffing out of the speakers. And the jams are to my mind liquid, slippery and marvellous. If it wasn't for the rough production this one would clearly blow all the others away. Except that the heavy metal fans might not like it. Well, more fool they. > I think there's another album i don't have. There are two and a half, the first one being a self-titled 10" or CDEP. It's not brilliant and if you have both _Spine of God_ and _25... Tab_ you have better versions of all but two of the (six) songs. The other two are good but not great. _25... Tab_ is a matter of taste. If you like random formless jams around one riff you'll love this, particularly the 32-minute opener `Tab...' which contains psychedelic ranting galore, vocals and hell, everything else too, through delay pedals and just general swirling clouds of chaos. The rest is the same but not so extreme except that there's the class psych number `Longhair' hiding in the middle and the original version of `Tractor' making a secret appearance at the end. Then there's _God Says No_, the one we're actually asking about. > I think "Silver future" is a new song (seen it on Napster). If it is a song > from the new album, it's a good sign - it's a great song, in the vein of > "Dopes" (the song), a bit less jammy but still great. > > MM has also covered lots of older stuff, including Hawkwind (I think "Silver > machine", "Urban guerilla" and another song I didn't know) and "Kick out the > jams" - they regularly do KOTJ on their shows, and it's one of the > highlights. If you're interested, this stuff is available on Napster (it's > not on any official CD that I know of). KOTJ was one of the extra tracks on the frist version of the `Spacelord' single. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 14 05:25:56 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:25:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: New Monster Magnet Album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > Funny that Wellwater should sound so psyche/poppy. I have one of their > albums and it's right up my street but not much of an obvious link > between them and Spine. Both great but *very* different from what I've > heard. The link between them lies in Hater, a more modern-aimed garage psych band featuring Wellwater's culprits and two others. It's still not much like MM, but things like `Longhair' and `Medicine' might not be too far off. The whole sound is much more top-end though, and it starts with a Cat Stevens cover. I wouldn't want anyone getting th idea this one-album venture was a heavy rock band. But rock they do. There's a three-quid copy of the s/t sitting on the discount racks of Parrot Records in Cambridge, too, if anyone's interested. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 14 05:31:25 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:01:25 +1030 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Try cranium music I just ordered SONIC ATTACK Choose your Masques http://www.cranium.co.nz check it out! Michael B http://www.cranium.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Alissa To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > They are even not available through amazion or cdnow. > From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 14 05:35:12 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:35:12 +1000 Subject: Alissa, napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Alissa, I just received a copy of Choose Your Masques today from Cranium Music in New Zealand - see http://www.cranium.co.nz/catalog/A_534.htm. They also have Sonic Attack ... and free postage! Regards, Tony M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alissa [mailto:coral at APORT.RU] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2000 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not > getting into the > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your > Masques and the > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > They are even not available through amazion or cdnow. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 06:20:47 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:20:47 EDT Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14 Nov 00, at 9:13, Andy Gilham wrote: > There is an element of two-facedness in the whole Napster thing, the > record industry has been giving music away for years in the form of > singles, which make no money at all. They even pay to get them played > on the radio and in the charts... I'm not sure hypocrisy is the right > word, it's more a collective panic. It's settling down already > though. Right! The record label gives away hundreds of discs--which the band paid to produce, press etc--and then expects the band to re- imburse them for an advance on the full amount. Any band that signs with a major label...well, you'd have a better chance to become an astronaut than make money with a major... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 14 08:43:23 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:43:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: "Dr. Love" by KISS From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Nov 14 09:50:28 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:50:28 -0500 Subject: acoustic SLOTERDIJK: setlist for 11/13: Message-ID: SLOTERDIJK: Fergie's Pub, Philadelphia Don't Fear The Reaper The Wizard (Uriah Heep) Uranium Zone ( new sloterdijk tune, first time performed live) *The Ballad of Mott ( with special guests, Janet Bilenky (vocals) and Michael John Smith (brushed drum) of Bilenky Cycle Works http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 14 14:56:43 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:56:43 -0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:45:20 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the >Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques ... >are readily available on CD and so that's another set of >royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... >Andy Garibaldi. Then again, something like Napster allows people the opportunity to check these two albums out before deciding whether they're worth spending money on. Which I would highly recommend, since the three RCA/Active albums, to me (IMHO and all that), represent the nadir of Hawkwind's studio output (N.B. This should be taken as a *compliment*, not an insult, since this means I'm saying that Hawkwind's studio output has been *improving* in quality for the last 15 years, rather than declining in quality ... how many bands who have been around for twice that long can you say that about? Just one more reason why I LOVE HAWKWIND!). -Doug ceres at sirius.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alissa" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:43 AM >Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > >> Well... Through Napster servers I downloaded four Hawkwind bootlegs, Sonic >> Attack and Choose Your Masques albums. Davey's Bedouin and Chaos Delight. >> Bainbridge live. Agents of Chaos. Some Turner stuff. And a lot of rare >> songs, cover-versions, etc. >> >> These albums I can't find anywhere else here so Napster helped me a lot. >> >> Alissa From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Nov 14 17:12:24 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:12:24 -0000 Subject: xmas gig!!! Message-ID: >hi all > >got my tickets for the xmas party today!!! :-) > >also finally got hold of the complete '79 collector series on voiceprint!! >:-) > >hope to see alot of you at the gig > >i can't wait.......... > >colm > > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Nov 14 18:16:39 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:16:39 -0000 Subject: live '79 vs complete '79 Message-ID: has the original '79 live album been overdubbed in the studio? the complete '79 2cd i realise is from a different gig but sounds alot better as it seems to have a raw live feel to it. colm From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 14:11:21 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:11:21 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: At the risk of shameless promotion, as long as the customer pays for the CD's, CD Services will deliver them anywhere in the world, as we have been doing for years and years. As to CDNow and Amazon, the very idea that 'if they don't have it,nobody has it' (not so much as that is EXACTLY what YOU meant) just makes me laugh - here are two companies who profess to have everything and they don't have tons of things I could name. It's like the people who go into HMV, Tower and Virgin, to name but three, for CD's and are then told 'oh you can't get that - it's deleted' and these poor saps take their word for it when in many cases, the item they want is available from someone somewhere around the world, if only they knew where to look. The surprised comments we get when we supply people who say 'well, I'm amazed - I was told that the item was deleted' is legion. Christ, we've got over 600,000 CD's on our database and even that's not comprehensive. I don't blame people for trying elsewhere, that's fine, but so few outlets are prepared to take the time to search comprehensively for an item required by a customer , and that is what causes the problems when 'things' such as Napster do what they do without royalty payments, because they simply don't find out what is and is not actually still available. They now say they will make such royalty payments but, honestly, who the hell is going to police that one - talk about a red herring - and the USA courts believed them, too. Bizarre. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alissa" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > They are even not available through amazion or cdnow. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 14:15:56 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:15:56 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: No, I'm not saying Napster doesn't have their uses, and no-one's perfect, but it strikes me that they simply don't care whether something they offer is available or not - why should they worry - it's only the poor artist who suffers after all. I say, do your homework, Napster!!! The idea that Napster leads to more exposure for that artist may well be true but lead to more sales? For unknown acts with nothing to lose, perhaps, but my argument is simply for establsihed acts who fall 'victim' to this system (and we're not talking Metallica here) Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:05 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > Andy said: > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never > heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have improved > since! > And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're released. > I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's just > wouldn't feel right. :-) > Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert Calvert > stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. > > Cheers > Bill From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 14:27:27 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:27:27 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: .......and that is why all these bands are now doing it themselves, so thst they can make up for years of being ripped off senseless by the majors. But some bands are being overly protective, an excellent example being Jan Akkerman (nobody say a word,OK!!!) who has CD's available but refuses to supply them to any shops or mail order outlets despite the fact that sales could result. The idea they have that somehow they will manage to hit everyone who wants their music exclusively from their website, for any artist, is a somewhat flawed idea. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > On 14 Nov 00, at 9:13, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > There is an element of two-facedness in the whole Napster thing, the > > record industry has been giving music away for years in the form of > > singles, which make no money at all. They even pay to get them played > > on the radio and in the charts... I'm not sure hypocrisy is the right > > word, it's more a collective panic. It's settling down already > > though. > > Right! The record label gives away hundreds of discs--which the > band paid to produce, press etc--and then expects the band to re- > imburse them for an advance on the full amount. Any band that > signs with a major label...well, you'd have a better chance to become > an astronaut than make money with a major... > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 17:49:48 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:49:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach Message-ID: try Banco De Gaia, specifically 'Maya' if you can get hold of it, or 'Big Men Cry'. Next rung on the ladder.............. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Jarrett" To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:04 PM Subject: Re: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Chris Warburton wrote: > > > Now I'm just awaiting the arrival of Col. Jon "Custer" Jarrett with the 7th > > Anti-Dance Cavalry *GGG* > > You malign me, this is an expanding are of interest for me, though > I have to admit that so far only Orbital have really taken root in the > collection. There is only so much money, and so many previous > obsessions... Nonetheless, I've nothing against dance as a genre, just > against the huge amount of uninspired chaff that seems to clog it for the > newcomer. It's trip-hop I tend to to rail against, but that's only because > it seems to get a response :-) > > Oh, and I only ever made Cdt. Sgt. Yours, > Jon (who did as a result > get to put a Chipmuck through a loop-the-loop, almost the sole reason for > joining the Corps a long time ago) > > > -- > Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > ===================================================================== > "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 17:50:37 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:50:37 -0000 Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! Message-ID: I think it's called trying to have your cake and eat it..... Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Sardo" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:49 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! > In my opinion, it seems he's taking advantage of his > most loyal fans. Ya'll think it's a character flaw? > > > > --- ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > yeh - if I read it right on the Sony press release, > > Todd Rundgren tried > > something like that - you paid something like ten > > dollars a month to > > download 12 exclusive tracks over a year, and then, > > lo and behold, the album > > comes out on general release a while later, after > > the year is out and the > > money has rolled in. Musicians with regard for the > > fans where finances are > > concerned, may be hard to find these days in some > > quarters. > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nick English" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:09 PM > > Subject: BOC: Those Buck CDs!!! > > > > > > > This is not meant as a slam on anybody who did -- > > or > > > plans to -- spend 150 bucks to join that Web site > > to > > > get those 4 discs, but I would NEVER in my wildest > > > dreams consider paying $150 for 4 CDs. Even if > > money > > > grew out of my ass I wouldn't do it! > > > > > > I know there are other benefits to being in the > > "fan > > > club", but I'm 30 years old with kids. If I can > > make a > > > show, I'll make it. If I can't, I can't. And > > while > > > Buck is still the best damn guitar player in rock > > and > > > roll and BOC is still the best damn rock and roll > > band > > > on the planet, I have -- sadly -- become one of > > those > > > folks for whom "it's only rock and roll" (but I > > like > > > it!!!) > > > > > > It's really a shame, too, because if Buck would > > only > > > put the discs on sale to the general public at a > > > reasonable price, I'd probably own at least the > > first > > > two by now. Instead, he gets no money from me. > > Not > > > sure that's smart business sense. > > > > > > --Nick > > > > > > P.S. > > > > > > I truly do envy those of you who have copies!!! > > > Someday, hopefully, I'll be one of you. :( > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 14 18:29:15 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:29:15 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: I think that if the artist signs to a label, and then his release gets deleted, no-one else is there to pick it up and the artist doesn't want to or can't afford to do it themselves, then there is justification for a napster style download without the worry of depriving the artist of a royalty that, let's face it, in this situation he wouldn't be getting anyway. Yes, napster may well alllow you to hear music that yuo would otherwise not get to hear, leading to you wanting to purchase that CD, and for a track per album, that seems fair as long as it's representative and not misleading (ie, the only instrumental track on a vocal album, etc). But the idea of being able to download a full album that is still in print without anyone other than Napster (or whoever) getting the money is not something I'd endorse. In case yuo think I am anti this whole thing, far from it. The Dead Earnest label is currently in negotiation with a company who shall be nameless right now to allow current and future Dead Earnest label releases to be downloaded completely via the internet, but where label and artist will receive payment. Sound too good to be true....well, we'll just have to see. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:51 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > Napster is a really sticky situation. There is alot of obscure music out there > that Napster has enabled those of us who may not otherwise obtain such music, > due to perhaps availability in local record shops or via internet or perhaps not > due to the fact that some recordings are not available in the latest format. > > Therefore, Napster has been a great avenue for discovering perhaps otherwise > unavailable music for those of us who have perhaps been deprived of availability > or the means to play it, and subsequently seek out and purchase other recordings > which allow for the reimbursement of royalties. The idea of it being free, I > think, in that sense, is insignicant in that it allows for the introduction and > discovery of obscure material for those of us who may not have other means of > obtaining it, and subsequently decide to purchase recordings that are easily > available via normal channels. That is what was cool about the idea of > Napster. > > I think the evolution of Napster whereby they intend to charge fees for usage is > a great idea if, in fact, it can be enforced that the artists who's music is > downloaded will be paid royalties. I would definitely not be opposed to it, if > this was the case, and would happily pay a monthly fee for the service. > > At this time, however, for example, where in the hell can I buy the Hawkwind > album Alien 4? I found some songs via Napster, but have not been able to find a > place to purchase the album (CD)? I would purchase it if I could find it, but > in the meantime, due to my psychotic pursuit of All Things Hawkwind, I managed > to download a couple of songs, darnit, and am quite happy do discover yet other > New To Me Hawkwind Material, and was quite happy to hear it. (If royalties are > required as a result of this, then how much, and who do I pay?...that is the > sticky part.) > > On another hand, an extreme example is David Allen Coe, who has a couple of > hilarious country albums out (XXX rated) that are not available in stores, > never were, and the albums are probably out of print. Some real gems there, but > if he expects on receiving royalties, how does he intend on collecting? Then > again, he made the music to be heard, and if Napster can come up with a way to > pay him royalties, then great, but in the meantime, what can we do, except for > appreciate his music and pass it on to others who may decide to buy legitimate > recordings. > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, > > Bill & Cynthia wrote: > > > Andy said: > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > > > Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never > > heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have improved > > since! > > And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're released. > > I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's just > > wouldn't feel right. :-) > > Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert Calvert > > stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. > > > > Cheers > > Bill From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 14 18:32:02 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:32:02 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/00 6:19:21 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << But the idea of being able to download a full album that is still in print without anyone other than Napster (or whoever) getting the money is not something I'd endorse. >> ========= until or unless this 5 bucks a month 'surcharge' takes place _what_ money is napster getting? and how many folx [like moi] are gonna bail out when and if this takes place?* has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster? *very few people want or are downloading what i go for anyway.... "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 17:51:10 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:51:10 EDT Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <029501c04e92$ea2a3400$a197bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 14 Nov 00, at 19:15, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > No, > I'm not saying Napster doesn't have their uses, and no-one's perfect, > but it strikes me that they simply don't care whether something they > offer is available or not - why should they worry - it's only the poor > artist who suffers after all. I say, do your homework, Napster!!! The > idea that Napster leads to more exposure for that artist may well be > true but lead to more sales? For unknown acts with nothing to lose, > perhaps, but my argument is simply for establsihed acts who fall > 'victim' to this system (and we're not talking Metallica here) Andy Yet Coutney Love, who has sold lots of records in the past, says she likes Napster, and sees it as a tool for marketing her entire career. She says that she makes no money being tied to a major label, so what difference does it make if people download it? Essentially, she says she's doing nothing but make money for the label! She correctly realizes that her income results from touring--as it does for all bands. There isn't a band in the world [exc. Metallica, I guess!] that makes money from CD sales. I realize that a tiny handful of bands have better record deals, but it's a small number. The deck is stacked against artists trying to make a buck from CDs. Hit the road and make your money there. Case in point: BOC! One real album in the last, what, 15 years, and they're still going strong, because they're 'on tour forever,' and understand how the road works... theo From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 14 20:45:51 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:15:51 +1030 Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: dorothy the dinosaur the wiggles tee hee :) ----- Original Message ----- From: John A. Swartz To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:13 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell > "Dr. Love" by KISS From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 14 20:50:48 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:20:48 +1030 Subject: xmas gig!!! Message-ID: if i sell enough posters/badsges & tsirts may get there myself fingers x ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: xmas gig!!! > >hi all > > > >got my tickets for the xmas party today!!! :-) > > > >also finally got hold of the complete '79 collector series on voiceprint!! > >:-) > > > >hope to see alot of you at the gig > > > >i can't wait.......... > > > >colm > > > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 14 22:41:30 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:41:30 -0500 Subject: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 Message-ID: Colm says... >the complete '79 2cd i realise is from a different gig but sounds alot >better as it seems to have a raw live feel to it. You must be kidding. Grakkl (FAA) From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 14 23:05:57 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:05:57 +0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster?> > "<>" Yep, Pink Floyd's "Meddle." I already have the album but its scratched and very crackly - a casualty from a party. (a good one hehehe) Cheers Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 14 23:08:32 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:08:32 +0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: Hehehehehe LMAO Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell > dorothy the dinosaur > the wiggles > > tee hee > > :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John A. Swartz > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell > > > > "Dr. Love" by KISS > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 14 23:08:52 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:08:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: New radio shows up at A-I.com Message-ID: Hi Folks... Spam Alert!! :) Well, I guess in light of the Napster thread, maybe you'd like to check out some of these tunes, and then order something from one of the fine specialty dealers worldwide. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. This Abunai! thing (as featured in the following playlist) is fabulous!! 80 minutes of blanga-ish space/psych jams. Their last album (brilliant also) was more poppy melodic psych songs - not this one. P.P.S. Anyone ever hear of The Helio Sequence? Just got their album 'Com Plex' on Cavity Search (Portland, OR, also includes King Black Acid), and I really love some of this stuff!! P.P.P.S. Just saw Canis Minor w/ Quarkspace here in town, with Solar Fire lights. Great show! Quarkspace has a bunch of new tunes, including their best ever, titled "Starbridge Freaks III." Hawkwind fans (Lemmy, Davey) will love the bassline! ------------------------------------------------------------ http://Aural-Innovations.com Aural Innovations Radio has just uploaded two new shows in streaming RealAudio. (You can also download them if you prefer.) Aural Innovations is an online web-zine covering all forms of spacerock, psychedelia, electronica, and more eclectic forms of jazz and progressive rock. Our web site is LOADED with reviews, interviews, and articles. The October issue is now online. Here is the playlist for the new radio shows: Show 13 Playlist: (General Playlist) Abunai! - ?Drowning In Light? (from Round Wound) 12:56 The Spacious Mind - ?House In The Country? (from The Mind Of A Brother) 10:10 Canis Minor - ?Algomeysa Transit? (excerpt) (from Algomeysa Transit) 9:33 Quarkspace - ?Sheep Farm? (from Spacefolds 6) 8:20 Spaceship Eyes - ?Big Martian Dog Hop? (from Of Cosmic Repercussions) 5:18 Quiet Celebration - ?Indigo? (from Quiet Celebration) 4:31 Lord Litter - ?The Return Of The Magnificent Space Captain? (from Stone Premonitions Presents Lord Litter, and Litter?s Reel All Itty) 5:39 Don Campau - ?Corner Market Stickup? (from Guaranteed Injection Comfort Or Your Money Back?) 3:24 Ozric Tentacles - ?Holohedron? (from The Hidden Step) 5:53 Tower Of Electric Onions - ?Moonlove? (from Tower Of Electric Onions) 10:38 Plastic Overlords - ?A Moment Of Silence For Unsynchronized Watches? (from Plastic Overlords) 8:07 Tungsten 74 - ?I Was Class President Too? (from An Attempt To Suppress Dissent?) 3:55 Electric Company and Vas Deferens Organization - ?Tinsel Termites In Barbed Wire Brassieres? (from More Pelvis Wick For The Baloney Boners) 6:43 Minmae - ?Saturnine Particle? (from Vonsachiang) 4:28 ONQ - ?Lament 2000" (from ONQ/[Minmae] Split) 3:31 Show 14 Playlist: (Spacin? To The Oldies Special) Amon D??l II - ?Eye-Shaking King? (from Yeti) 6:37 Nektar - ?Astronaut?s Nightmare? / ?Warp Oversight? / ?The Dream Nebula Part I? (from Journey To The Center Of The Eye) 12:45 Guru Guru - ?Ufo? (from UFO) 10:25 Can - ?Oh Yeah? (from Tago Mago) 7:24 Ash Ra Tempel - ?Darkness: Flowers Must Die? (from Schwingungen) 11:50 Agitation Free - ?Laila Part 2" (from 2nd) 6:47 Gong - ?Isle Of Everywhere? 10:34 Hawkwind - ?Orgone Accumulator? 8:47 Pink Floyd - ?Interstellar Overdrive? 9:41 Neu! - ?Negativland? 9:37 So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link to listen. While you?re there check out our mail order catalog for music from SubArachnoid Space, Mushroom, Mr Quimby?s Beard, Hardy, Afresco Mantis, Krom Lek, Census Of Hallucinations, The Rabbit?s Hat, Quarkspace, National Steam, Spacehead, Krel, Doug Snyder and Bob Thompson, JFK Jr Royal Airforce, W.O.O. Revelator, World Of Tomorrow, Rotcod Zzaj, The Imaginary Band, The Moondance Experiment, Music From The Future, Spaceship Eyes, plus numerous titles from the Garden of Delights reissue catalog. For more information on these and other available items go the main Aural Innovations page and click on the mail order catalog link. http://Aural-Innovations.com From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 14 23:26:29 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:26:29 +0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: More exposure and FREE advertising for the bands! I sometimes see artists in the "Alternative" chatroom pleading for us to download their songs. Honestly, I would like to see artists getting royalties from Napster. The artists would perhaps make the music available themselves, but I really don't know how, as keeping track of it all would be near impossible. It will take time and money to track down royalties owing. I wonder what DB and the boys think of Napster? Cheers Bill PS - Andy, do you think CD Services are losing sales through Napster? ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:15 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > No, > I'm not saying Napster doesn't have their uses, and no-one's perfect, but it > strikes me that they simply don't care whether something they offer is > available or not - why should they worry - it's only the poor artist who > suffers after all. I say, do your homework, Napster!!! > The idea that Napster leads to more exposure for that artist may well be > true but lead to more sales? For unknown acts with nothing to lose, perhaps, > but my argument is simply for establsihed acts who fall 'victim' to this > system (and we're not talking Metallica here) > Andy Garibaldi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > Andy said: > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into the > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and the > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > > > Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never > > heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have > improved > > since! > > And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're released. > > I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's just > > wouldn't feel right. :-) > > Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert > Calvert > > stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. > > > > Cheers > > Bill > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 14 23:30:18 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:30:18 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/00 11:09:24 PM, freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU writes: << > has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster?> > "<>" Yep, Pink Floyd's "Meddle." == jeez, you must have cable to get all the way through the download of 'echoes' heh From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Nov 15 00:01:06 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:01:06 -0600 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Yes, I did download the entire Iron Butterfly album, Metamorphosis. Great album, but hard to find, and I jonesed for it for about 15 years. Guilty as charged!! I did a light show for them once, though, and I got paid in beer, so I guess it's a fair trade. Bill & Cynthia wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:32 AM > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > > > has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster?> > > > "<>" > Yep, Pink Floyd's "Meddle." I already have the album but its scratched and > very crackly - a casualty from a party. (a good one hehehe) > > Cheers > Bill From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Nov 15 01:49:06 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:49:06 +0100 Subject: AW: live '79 vs complete '79 Message-ID: Hi there >has the original '79 live album been overdubbed in the studio? Yes >the complete '79 2cd i realise is from a different gig but sounds alot >better as it seems to have a raw live feel to it. This CD was recorded at the Hammersmith Odeon on 01.12.79 (except SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT which is from 08.12.79) Hope that helps Bernhard From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 15 01:51:29 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:51:29 +0800 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: > << > has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster?> > > > > "<>" > > Yep, Pink Floyd's "Meddle." > > == > jeez, you must have cable to get all the way through the download of 'echoes' > > heh hehehe, It took a few tries but finally got there. Cheers Bill From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 06:03:26 2000 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:03:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: Napster and band exposure Message-ID: Just to stir, isn't the job of giving bands free exposure done well and legitimately by services like mp3.com? Those bands who are little known and have CDs in print they want to sell can agree to offer free downloads and then have control over the quality and selection- and offer their CDs through mp3.com's sales system. I've found a lot of stuff I liked but otherwise wouldn't have heard about by searching for 'similar artists' to HW, Tangerine Dream etc. Maybe Napster was needed to pioneer organised mp3 swapping, and to show the record industry at large that it could work and be popular. Mark > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:26:29 +0800 > From: Bill & Cynthia > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > More exposure and FREE advertising for the bands! I sometimes see artists in > the "Alternative" chatroom pleading for us to download their songs. > Honestly, I would like to see artists getting royalties from Napster. The > artists would perhaps make the music available themselves, but I really > don't know how, as keeping track of it all would be near impossible. It will > take time and money to track down royalties owing. > I wonder what DB and the boys think of Napster? > > Cheers > Bill > PS - Andy, do you think CD Services are losing sales through Napster? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 15 06:15:07 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 07:15:07 EDT Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: <000801c04ed0$7c478580$6e4e3bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: Remember, folks-- BOC will be on VH1 tonight, as part of the 100 Best Heavy Bands special. I think they're somewhere in the middle of the pack. The show will be replayed on the 16th at 9pm, and the 17th at 8 pm. theo From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 08:34:19 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:34:19 -0000 Subject: Hawkeye Fanzines Message-ID: Hello folks For those who may be interested, I'm running low on most of the Hawkwind fanzines "Hawkeye" and the "Worldwide Discography" book. If anyone would like more info, email me privately at: age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk All the Best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Nov 15 11:43:23 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:43:23 -0500 Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: <200011151215.HAA15254@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:15 AM 11/15/00 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >Remember, folks-- > >BOC will be on VH1 tonight, as part of the 100 Best Heavy Bands >special. I think they're somewhere in the middle of the pack. > >The show will be replayed on the 16th at 9pm, and the 17th at 8 pm. BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), but just behind Sonic Youth (54). Stuff that makes Theo's blood boil: They have Rush at #28. No matter how you do these kind of things, there will be debate, disagreement, which of course is what they're after. Given a 2 hour show and 100 bands, and that they will naturally devote more time to the top of the order, we'd be lucky if they spend more than 30 seconds on B?C. IMO it is weighted to both stuff that is played on "classic rock" and current "alternative" kind of things. Of course I disagree with just about every ranking they have, but glad to see Motorhead, Ramones, and Cheap Trick get decent notice on here. My biggest complaints are with bands who shouldn't be even on the catagory. I mean, Boston???? and while I like them, Jethro Tull, the band that once beat Metallica for the grammy for best metal band, I don't think should be on here either. Indeed, I'd rather Crimson and Floyd Tull et al be relegated to a "top 100 prog bands" special, which I would tape but would probably not draw a .1% viewer rating... Their overall list, in order: Led Zeppelin Black Sabbath Jimi Hendrix AC/DC Metallica Nirvana Van Halen The Who Guns N' Roses KISS Aerosmith The Sex Pistols Queen Soundgarden Pink Floyd Cream The Ramones Ozzy Osbourne The Clash Alice Cooper Pearl Jam Deep Purple Judas Priest Iron Maiden Cheap Trick Motorhead Iggy Pop/ The Stooges Rush Motley Crue Red Hot Chili Peppers Def Leppard The Doors Rage Against The Machine Alice in Chains Jane's Addiction Frank Zappa Yardbirds MC5 Neil Young & Crazy Horse Stone Temple Pilots Ted Nugent The Kinks Nine Inch Nails ZZ Top Pantera Scorpions The Rollins Band/ Black Flag Janis Joplin Smashing Pumpkins Slayer Thin Lizzy Faith No More Korn Sonic Youth Blue Oyster Cult White Zombie/ Rob Zombie Heart Anthrax Bad Company The New York Dolls Jethro Tull Ministry Boston Steppenwolf The Cult Joan Jett and the Blackhearts Rolling Stones Husker Du Megadeth Living Colour Lynyrd Skynyrd Foo Fighters Twisted Sister Pat Benatar Spinal Tap Bon Jovi Hole Marilyn Manson Ratt Green Day Pixies Queensryche King's X UFO Whitesnake Foreigner King Crimson Tool Lita Ford Rainbow The Misfits The Black Crowes Lenny Kravitz Yes Fugazi Meat Loaf Primus Mountain Bad Brains Quiet Riot ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 11:58:21 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:58:21 GMT Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: Andrew Apold's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:43:23 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew Apold writes: > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), I demand a recount! FoFP From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Wed Nov 15 13:02:38 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:02:38 -0600 Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: <200011151658.QAA22185@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, M Holmes wrote: > Andrew Apold writes: > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > I demand a recount! > You are the state of Florida and I claim a butterfly ballot I think I have been reading the Scary Devil Monastery[1] too long now... [1] If you don't know, you don't want to know. From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 13:13:56 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:13:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Rock City for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in buying my copy of HAWKWIND'S ROCK CITY 16/11/93 CD? What can I tell you about it .... Single CD. Great cover: 1974 Dead Singer Tour programme front cover (sort of Turner / Viking head cartoon) Blue CD Label: Rock City WAHCD613 LISTEN 1994 Back Cover says: Recorded Live At Rock City (presumably Nottingham) - 16 November 1993 Trax listed as: Assault & Battery Tibet Is Not China Psychedelic Warlords Sputnik Stan Green Finned Demon You Shouldn't Do That Golden Void Hashish Quark, Strangeness & Charm Right To Decide Predictably wrong with A&B actually being Letting In The Past. Wave Upon Wave preceeds Golden Void. Space Is Their (Palestine) sandwiched within Hassan. If interested please E-mail privately with offer. Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great cover: 1974 Dead Singer Tour programme front cover (sort of Turner / Viking head cartoon) Blue CD Label: Rock City WAHCD613 LISTEN 1994 Back Cover says: Recorded Live At Rock City (presumably Nottingham) - 16 November 1993 Trax listed as: Assault & Battery Tibet Is Not China Psychedelic Warlords Sputnik Stan Green Finned Demon You Shouldn't Do That Golden Void Hashish Quark, Strangeness & Charm Right To Decide Predictably wrong with A&B actually being Letting In The Past. Wave Upon Wave preceeds Golden Void. Space Is Their (Palestine) sandwiched within Hassan. If interested please E-mail privately with offer. Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:05:48 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:05:48 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Nah - not much I reckon - in a nutshell, we try to offer 'personal service' first and foremost so we have a huge wadge of people who come on to us for recommendations, We ask what they like and then recommend stuff to them. By and large I get it right 9 times out of ten, so they come back for more. If they ask for something and I don't think they'll like it, I tell them and there's few others that would turn down a sale like that. That and the catalogues..........we do OK. But I digress (as always) - I really do think that Napster harms sales of techno/trance/dance music but there's so much of it around that no-one's probably noticed yet, and the younger generation, by and large, tend not to want to 'collect' or 'own' material CD's the way we used to and still do - the thrill we used to get out of rummaging around a shop or record fair,they now get out of downloading and mp3'ing. To the new generation, computers are the new rock 'n' roll, like it or not - music is way down the list. But bearing in mind the fact that kids will get into things that their parents hate it means that when the current twenty year olds have kids later on (maybe not so much later on) and then junior brings home a Hawkwind album to a parent brought up on techno, only to have the parent go 'what's this crap you're listening to', then - bingo!!! - a new space-rock generation is spawned. Andy Garibaldi (with probably the most long-winded answer yet to a question and showing that, by avoiding the real issue, I should have been a UK politician) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cynthia" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:26 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > More exposure and FREE advertising for the bands! I sometimes see artists in > the "Alternative" chatroom pleading for us to download their songs. > Honestly, I would like to see artists getting royalties from Napster. The > artists would perhaps make the music available themselves, but I really > don't know how, as keeping track of it all would be near impossible. It will > take time and money to track down royalties owing. > I wonder what DB and the boys think of Napster? > > Cheers > Bill > PS - Andy, do you think CD Services are losing sales through Napster? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > No, > > I'm not saying Napster doesn't have their uses, and no-one's perfect, but > it > > strikes me that they simply don't care whether something they offer is > > available or not - why should they worry - it's only the poor artist who > > suffers after all. I say, do your homework, Napster!!! > > The idea that Napster leads to more exposure for that artist may well be > > true but lead to more sales? For unknown acts with nothing to lose, > perhaps, > > but my argument is simply for establsihed acts who fall 'victim' to this > > system (and we're not talking Metallica here) > > Andy Garibaldi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill & Cynthia" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:05 AM > > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > > > > Andy said: > > > > errrrr........yes, all very well and good, and I'm not getting into > the > > > > Napster argument again, but Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques and > the > > > > Chaos Delight are readily available on CD and so that's another set of > > > > royalties for the band and members that they'll never see......... > > > > > > Napster has its uses. It's great for downloading music from bands never > > > heard of before. Pegasi 51 is an example. I bet their CD sales have > > improved > > > since! > > > And it wont stop me from buying HW and related CD's once they're > released. > > > I have been collecting their albums/cd's since 1976 and having mp3's > just > > > wouldn't feel right. :-) > > > Although I must admit I have been trying to download some of Robert > > Calvert > > > stuff. Gremlins 1 and 2 for example. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Bill > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:08:59 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:08:59 -0000 Subject: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 Message-ID: raw?- yes - good? - yes - better??? - with you on that one Keith. Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Henderson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:41 AM Subject: Re: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 > Colm says... > > >the complete '79 2cd i realise is from a different gig but sounds alot > >better as it seems to have a raw live feel to it. > > You must be kidding. > > Grakkl (FAA) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:10:03 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:10:03 -0000 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: by hand? Andy G'b ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: VH1 > Andrew Apold writes: > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > I demand a recount! > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:15:40 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:15:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Napster and band exposure Message-ID: Yes - the point is very valid - and Napster, RUN PROPERLY, can only help, but it isn't run properly as long as it alows downloads of complete albums, etc, etc. But the point that someone else raised about the technicalities or otherwise of downloading an entire album - oh, don't you just love it when bad things happen to good sentences - what I mean to say is that my arguments against only apply, hopefully, to a small minority of what people use Napster for. Responsibility of the workers there is the key to its success. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jermy" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: OFF: Napster and band exposure > Just to stir, isn't the job of giving bands free exposure done well and > legitimately by services like mp3.com? Those bands who are little known and > have CDs in print they want to sell can agree to offer free downloads and > then have control over the quality and selection- and offer their CDs > through mp3.com's sales system. I've found a lot of stuff I liked but > otherwise wouldn't have heard about by searching for 'similar artists' to > HW, Tangerine Dream etc. > > Maybe Napster was needed to pioneer organised mp3 swapping, and to show the > record industry at large that it could work and be popular. > > Mark > > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:26:29 +0800 > > From: Bill & Cynthia > > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > More exposure and FREE advertising for the bands! I sometimes see artists > in > > the "Alternative" chatroom pleading for us to download their songs. > > Honestly, I would like to see artists getting royalties from Napster. The > > artists would perhaps make the music available themselves, but I really > > don't know how, as keeping track of it all would be near impossible. It > will > > take time and money to track down royalties owing. > > I wonder what DB and the boys think of Napster? > > > > Cheers > > Bill > > PS - Andy, do you think CD Services are losing sales through Napster? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:28:45 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:28:45 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Quite true - also we had the situation last year where a well known seventies band played a gig in London in front of upwards of 1000 people and the only money the band and label made was the merchandise sales at the event, but that was considerable and made it worth while, seeing as the costs involved in the concert against fees, profits, etc, meant that the band and label just about broke even without those sales. Daft part is now, that, as I said, the well known bands who are now doing for themselves find at last that they really can make money out of CD sales. The major record industry's ideal is to put out one CD a year and get the world to buy it - that is always the goal towards which they are striving. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > On 14 Nov 00, at 19:15, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > No, > > I'm not saying Napster doesn't have their uses, and no-one's perfect, > > but it strikes me that they simply don't care whether something they > > offer is available or not - why should they worry - it's only the poor > > artist who suffers after all. I say, do your homework, Napster!!! The > > idea that Napster leads to more exposure for that artist may well be > > true but lead to more sales? For unknown acts with nothing to lose, > > perhaps, but my argument is simply for establsihed acts who fall > > 'victim' to this system (and we're not talking Metallica here) Andy > > Yet Coutney Love, who has sold lots of records in the past, says she > likes Napster, and sees it as a tool for marketing her entire career. > She says that she makes no money being tied to a major label, so > what difference does it make if people download it? Essentially, she > says she's doing nothing but make money for the label! She > correctly realizes that her income results from touring--as it does for > all bands. There isn't a band in the world [exc. Metallica, I guess!] > that makes money from CD sales. I realize that a tiny handful of > bands have better record deals, but it's a small number. The deck is > stacked against artists trying to make a buck from CDs. Hit the road > and make your money there. Case in point: BOC! One real album > in the last, what, 15 years, and they're still going strong, because > they're 'on tour forever,' and understand how the road works... > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 15 18:30:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:30:39 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Tongue in cheek perhaps, but missing my point. No need to feel guilty about this as there's no other way of getting it and if no-one dares to reissue it, including the band, so be it as regards money to the band. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Clark" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 5:01 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > Yes, I did download the entire Iron Butterfly album, Metamorphosis. Great > album, but hard to find, and I jonesed for it for about 15 years. Guilty as > charged!! I did a light show for them once, though, and I got paid in beer, so > I guess it's a fair trade. > > > > Bill & Cynthia wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:32 AM > > Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > > > > > > > > > > has anyone here ever downloaded a whole lp, cut by cut, from napster?> > > > > > "<>" > > Yep, Pink Floyd's "Meddle." I already have the album but its scratched and > > very crackly - a casualty from a party. (a good one hehehe) > > > > Cheers > > Bill From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 18:37:49 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:37:49 -0000 Subject: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 Message-ID: Hi, Must disagree in the strongest terms on this one. Complete 79 is bootleg quality with muffled sound when compared to live 79. (OK, so we're not talking Glastonbury 90 here.) It also suffers from a few very clumsy edits, in some cases, part way through songs. Inexcusable, to my mind, especially when considering the excellent quality of Live 79. A huge disappointment, which has made me very wary of subsequent live recordings. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:08 PM Subject: Re: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 > raw?- yes - good? - yes - better??? - with you on that one Keith. > Andy G'b > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Henderson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 > > > > Colm says... > > > > >the complete '79 2cd i realise is from a different gig but sounds alot > > >better as it seems to have a raw live feel to it. > > > > You must be kidding. > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 19:03:53 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:03:53 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/15/00 6:21:16 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << Tongue in cheek perhaps, but missing my point. No need to feel guilty about this as there's no other way of getting it and if no-one dares to reissue it, including the band, so be it as regards money to the band. Andy G.>> === as you say.... and an excellent example of hunting down goodies w/napster "<>" ==== > Yes, I did download the entire Iron Butterfly album, Metamorphosis. Great > album, but hard to find, and I jonesed for it for about 15 years. Guilty as > charged!! I did a light show for them once, though, and I got paid in beer, so > I guess it's a fair trade.>> ===== ps> the second gig my band never played was... almost.... opening for iron butterfly, or whatever passed for them in mid-1980... "<>" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 15 19:03:00 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:03:00 -0800 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Hooray! They arrived today (well, they arrived yesterday, but I had to go to the post office this morning to pick 'em up)! Thanks, Andy!! I can post tracklists shortly, if someone still needs 'em (but I'm at work now and it'll have to wait until I get home), but the only actual tape I'm familiar with is Hawklords '78 104. I haven't even had a chance to listen yet (I'm tempted to blow off the jam session I have scheduled for tonight, but I promised ... :^( ... ), but I got 'Atomhenge 76' and Weird 101-105, and I *can* comment on the packaging. First of all, the 'Atomhenge' packaging is real nice, with a big color booklet, just like the 'Live 79' and 'Masques' Collectors' series ... some overlap in photos with the 'Thrilling Adventures' CD, but some different (a compleatist - at least of the Calvert era - like me, needs both). And the sci-fi illustrations on the Weird CD's are real nice; I like 'em a lot. BUT ... whoever picked the photos for inside the CD inserts is A MAJOR MORON! For instance: 101 Sonic Assassins / Dave Brock solo - 'Atomhenge 76' photo w/Rudolph etc. 102 Hawkwind 77 / Hawklords studio - Yes! The actual '77 lineup in the photo! 103 Hawkwind 77/75 - unidentifiable photo - can anyone else tell? 104 Hawklords 78 - 'Live 79' photo w/Tim & Huw 105 Hawkwind 76/77 - photo of the '82 lineup w/Huw & Nik ... one (or maybe two, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the photo in Weird 103 is even more recent than 104 & 105) correct photo out of five isn't a very good track record. I mean, I expect that kind of sloppiness on the umpteenth reissue of the same old crap from Dave Anderson or Frenchy, but come one! This is an official product! It's not as though photos from the Hawklords tour don't exist or anything like that (I'm sure Knut Gerwers wouldn't mind if you snatched one off his Calvert website for such a worthy cause). And what the *&%$&^ is Huw doing there? He didn't play on ANY of the stuff! Maybe I'm the only person who cares about this, but I'd rather have blank inserts than the wrong ones. Of course, I'm incredibly happy that these have finally been released on CD, and the photo issue won't interfere one bit with my enjoyment of the music, which is the important part. I'll write about that next time ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:55:32 EST, Al Ogilvy wrote: > Im sorry ,I know this has been up before but I've accidently wiped my filing >cabinet ! >Could someone either please post a list of the weird tapes with Track lists >and the differences between CDs and tapes, Or else give me an http where I >can find this info. From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Wed Nov 15 19:54:15 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:54:15 +0000 Subject: HW: live '79 vs complete '79 In-Reply-To: <000a01c04f5d$37281360$5836893e@jezd> Message-ID: >Hi, >Must disagree in the strongest terms on this one. >Complete 79 is bootleg quality with muffled sound when compared to live 79. >(OK, so we're not talking Glastonbury 90 here.) >It also suffers from a few very clumsy edits, in some cases, part way >through songs. >Inexcusable, to my mind, especially when considering the excellent quality >of Live 79. >A huge disappointment, which has made me very wary of subsequent live >recordings. >Jez > > >> Here here.....I couldn't agree more. However the best part on Complete 79 has to be the slow synthesised and guitar phased build up to Motorway City on the second CD. Apart from the middle part of this track...it is actually much better than the Live 79 version. I think the whole of Complete 79 deserves to be re-editted,mixed and engineered to clean it all up audibly. Melvyn. From nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM Wed Nov 15 20:30:06 2000 From: nyeconomist at YAHOO.COM (Joseph Sardo) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:30:06 -0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite song with cowbell Message-ID: Easy: "Never Been Any Reason" by Head East, Flat as a Pancake album, 1975. --- "John A. Swartz" wrote: > "Dr. Love" by KISS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 15 20:46:02 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:46:02 GMT Subject: OFF: Galactic in Europe Message-ID: Hey Now, Just thought I would pass this information on to the Europeans and others overseas. If you like the style of New Orleans FUNK w/ some spacerock and straight-ahead jazz thrown in for good measure.. Galactic is for you! The other great thing is these cats are TAPING-FRIENDLY. The used o allow SBD patches. Not sure if that is still true. Check there website below and always ask the soundman. Get out and shake that funky butt! D-Rider (Darrin) Galactic to Perform at Cannabis Cup During European Tour Galactic kicks off a European mini-tour this Friday at the Jazz Caf? in London. On November 19 the band will perform at the Melweg Cannabis Cub in Amsterdam. Other European dates include November 20 at Caf? Rust in Copenhagen, Denmark and November 21 at Fabrik in Hamburg, Germany. After returning to the U.S., Galactic will play a two-night stand at Tipitina's in New Orleans on December 1st and 2nd. Both shows will be recorded for an upcoming live album. Audience taping will not be allowed at these shows. No other details on the live CD have been released. Galactic will also perform at the Park Tower Blues Festival in Tokyo, Japan on December 7th, 9th and 10th. The band will ring in the New Year with a show with Ozomatli December 31st at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco, CA. For more information, visit www.galacticfunk.com. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 15 20:49:38 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:49:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS Updated Xmas information now on Mission Control...... Also a new interactive digital panorama is in the Hawkestra Zone (Enter through the gallery > live-pix options) MESSAGE ENDS++ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 16 01:43:43 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:13:43 +1030 Subject: happy hawkfan Message-ID: Oh happy days I've finally got my hands on Choose your masques Sonic Attack In your area Today Been looking for some time now Thank you Richard at Cranium Music!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 16 03:42:22 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:42:22 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 Message-ID: >BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), >but just behind Sonic Youth (54). > (...) >No matter how you do these kind of things, there will be debate, disagreement, >which of course is what they're after. Given a 2 hour show and 100 bands, and >that they will naturally devote more time to the top of the order, we'd be >lucky if they spend more than 30 seconds on B?C. Yeah, it was much too short for my taste. Still, it was nice to see them on TV, for a change :-) And there's something fascinating, even somewhat satisfying, about them being ranked higher than the Stones ! Then again, KoRn scored higher... SAY WHAT ? Sheesh. >IMO it is weighted to both stuff that is played on "classic rock" and current >"alternative" kind of things. Of course I disagree with just about every >ranking >they have, but glad to see Motorhead, Ramones, and Cheap Trick get decent >notice >on here. Yeah, I think the flaw isn't so much in the bands they chose (although a few make me cringe) as in how they ranked them. But, well, what you said. No one will ever be able to agree anyway... >My biggest complaints are with bands who shouldn't be even on the catagory. > I mean, >Boston???? and while I like them, Jethro Tull, the band that once beat >Metallica >for the grammy for best metal band, I don't think should be on here either. Yeah, I was surprised to see them on. Made me wonder if Kansas was going to be ranked, but I see from your list that they shine by their absence, bleh. > Indeed, >I'd rather Crimson and Floyd Tull et al be relegated to a "top 100 prog >bands" >special, which I would tape but would probably not draw a .1% viewer rating... *grin* What made me laugh the most I think was the comments people were making during the Tull segment. Steve Morse was cool, but then he does prog too, so he knew what it was about, but others were like, yeah, it's a mix of this and that, with some flute used for heavy metal, blah blah blah, they were all stumbling around with words trying to find how to describe them... hello ? Guess they've never heard the word 'progressive'. Either that or they were specifically asked to stay clear from the p word ! Ha ! Ah well. Alex. PS: A local radio station has converted into an all-80's station. What a cool idea. If anyone on the list is in the Albuquerque area, spread the word :-) It's on 105.1 - the 80's & beyond... PS2: And folks, don't forget to put the 'BOC' or 'HW' thingy in the subject - it helps some of us sort through our e-mail ! --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] www.milomail.com/com/mv.html [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 04:54:31 2000 From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:54:31 +0000 Subject: REVOCATION (a joke !! no offence meant) Message-ID: - > NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > To the citizens of the United States of America, > In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to > govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your > independence, effective today. > Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties > over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which > she does not fancy. Your new Prime Minister (The Rt. Hon. Tony Blair MP, > for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a > world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without > the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be > disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine > whether any of you noticed. > > To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following > rules are introduced with immediate effect: > > 1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. > Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be > amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you > should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". > Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as > "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of > communication. Look up "interspersed". > > 2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know > on your behalf. > > 3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. > It really isn't that hard. > > 4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the > good guys. > > 5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The > Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you > to get confused and give up half way through. > > 6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind > of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good > game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your > borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You > will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper > football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It > is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed > to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not > involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar > body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US > rugby sevens side by 2005. > > 7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if > they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that > there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The > Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "shit". > > 8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new > national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive > Day". > > 9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for > your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what > we mean. > > 10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy. > From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Thu Nov 16 05:23:06 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:23:06 +1300 Subject: REVOCATION (a joke !! no offence meant) In-Reply-To: <200011160954.JAA01452@cedar.dcs.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > > To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of you independence, effective today. Hey someone left out the most important thing. All Americans must learn to understand the English sense of humour and any tv stations that continue to make american sitcoms using canned laughter (and corny punchlines) will be hereby taxed at the rate of 99c in the dollar. Richard From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 15 04:44:26 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:44:26 -0000 Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: > Jan > Akkerman (nobody say a word,OK!!!) Can't resist... "Every band was one of those tribute bands! Following "The Bootleg Cocteau Twins" and "The Australian Human League" came the headliners - "I Can't Believe It's Not Focus". After a commendable stab at "Sylvia", I shouted to the guitarist; "Are you knackered, man?", to which he replied; "No, I'm Jan Akkerman" :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 06:06:17 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:06:17 GMT Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:10:03 -0000 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Andy G'b > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > > > I demand a recount! > by hand? Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. FoFP From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 16 06:22:41 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:22:41 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex S. Garcia" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 > >BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > >but just behind Sonic Youth (54). Ah, the girls from Heart. I used to dream about those two when I was a teenager. Cheers Bill From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 16 06:24:30 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:24:30 +0800 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:06 PM Subject: Re: VH1 > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > Andy G'b > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > by hand? > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > FoFP What? Without hands? :-)~ Bill From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Nov 16 06:29:05 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:29:05 -0000 Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: <200011161106.LAA13229@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Wot no pregnant chads? -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 16 November 2000 11:06 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > Andy G'b > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > Zombie (56), > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > by hand? > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > FoFP > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Thu Nov 16 06:45:09 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:45:09 -0600 Subject: HAWKWIND: DEATH LIVING IN HIS UFOSHOES Message-ID: GARY ANNA ELI BERNHARD MARC(K?)(POWERS) TONY ....THESE ARE THE PEOPLE ON THE MIND.. OF THE LIVING DEATH.. at the moment... and current.. lee it's lonely... when you've been me.. ...failed....mc From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 06:25:02 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:25:02 EDT Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <00a301c04f5c$77a40f80$8997bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: > > Yes, I did download the entire Iron Butterfly album, Metamorphosis. > Great > > album, but hard to find, and I jonesed for it for about 15 years. > > Guilty > as > > charged!! I did a light show for them once, though, and I got paid > > in > beer, so > > I guess it's a fair trade. Howls! Iron Butterfly were one of the first bands I ever saw. Them and Steppenwolf. Can't remember which was first, but those were my first 2 concerts ever. I might actually have that album somewhere... theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 16 04:50:43 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:50:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind mention in MOJO mag Message-ID: Snippet of info... In MOJO's list of the ten loudest bands of all time, Hawkwind come in at a (dis)respectable number 8 - two above Manowar... Motorhead also in there at number 3. (Before anyone asks, Blue Cheer head this scientific and definitive chart...) :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 06:31:49 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:31:49 EDT Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <00a201c04f5c$76b91340$8997bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 00, at 23:28, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Quite true - also we had the situation last year where a well known > seventies band played a gig in London in front of upwards of 1000 > people and the only money the band and label made was the merchandise > sales at the event, but that was considerable and made it worth while, > seeing as the costs involved in the concert against fees, profits, > etc, meant that the band and label just about broke even without those > sales. Daft part is now, that, as I said, the well known bands who are > now doing for themselves find at last that they really can make money > out of CD sales. The major record industry's ideal is to put out one > CD a year and get the world to buy it - that is always the goal > towards which they are striving. Andy Garibaldi. Yep! Trouble is, most bands are broke, so the advance from a label is tempting. And, being broke, most bands won't have the money stockpiled to book a studio, hire a producer, master the discs etc--all expenses that [I think] are likely required to be paid up front... But--now that recording has been 'shrunk' by the digital revolution, home recording studios etc, maybe more bands will be encouraged to 'do it yourself...' theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 06:47:43 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:47:43 EDT Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In-Reply-To: <009a01c04f5c$6d8e4600$8997bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 15 Nov 00, at 23:05, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: But > I digress (as always) - I really do think that Napster harms sales of > techno/trance/dance music but there's so much of it around that > no-one's probably noticed yet, and the younger generation, by and > large, tend not to want to 'collect' or 'own' material CD's the way we > used to and still do - the thrill we used to get out of rummaging > around a shop or record fair,they now get out of downloading and > mp3'ing. To the new generation, computers are the new rock 'n' roll, > like it or not - music is way down the list. Man, you just hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer! This is a huge problem for bands and labels. Kids also have little of the fierce loyalty that past generations of rockers had. They listen to a band, then move on to the next big thing. This kind of sociological dynamic will definitely change the face of music. Bands will have to find their niche and work like hell to maintain their fan base. Groups that have long careers with many big-selling CDs will become fewer and fewer. That doesn't mean that bands can't have successful careers, but they will need to realize that groups like Metallica are dinosaurs, and that their group will never have that kind of career. OTOH, a smart group who produce good music and manage their road work well, can be quite successful, if they keep hitting the pockets where fans are clustered, and can be content with making a good living, if not becoming 'superstars.' Also, labels need to realize the fickle nature of the current generation of music buyers, and not freak out and dump bands when their second and third CDs don't sell mega-millions like the first one. If they're smart, they won't keep kicking out huge advances to bands for second and third albums, and should be content [and set up their budgets accordingly] to realize modest sales on some albums. Better to make a few bucks off several bands than go for a big killing with one group. But they won't do that. They'd rather put their whole budget behind one Metallica, than give several bands a chance. Same thing operates in Hollywood. The studios would rather have one 'Titanic' or Terminator 23 than 20 smaller, more creative films, even though having one blockbuster flick tank can wreck their whole studio! theo From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Nov 16 13:14:09 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:14:09 -0800 Subject: Iron Butterfly (was Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's) Message-ID: Speaking of ferrous lepidoptera, has anyone picked up the newly released version of Inagaddadavida? As I recall from a quick look, it has a bunch of bonus stuff including a live version. I'd like to hear if it's really any good before replacing the standard version... scorch From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 16 15:19:19 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:19:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference Message-ID: "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" made a small but important appearance in the online comic Clan of the Cats - July 9 1999 http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 15:52:41 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:52:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Hi, Haven't actually seen the Weird CDs to comment fully, but I'm not surprised about what Doug writes concerning the photo mismatches. It's come to the stage where I even half expect that sort of thing now. It ain't that difficult to spell band member names correctly, list correct songs in correct order, match photos to years etc but it appears to be beyond whoever gets the job. EMI re-masters are to be praised for not suffering from the above. I'm not suggesting that the Weirds suffer from all 3 afflictions above, but try reading the track list of Voiceprint's Masques Live 82 and keeping a straight face. "Warriors At The Edge Time" - that ain't even English! "Psychedelic Warrior" - that's a new one on me! "Solitary Minds Games" - again, English? "Masters Of The Universe" - they're breeding! I'm sure most of us could do a better job when it comes to listing songs on live CDs. So, yeah, I care about this sort of thing too, Doug, but am resigned to the fact that as time goes on, things are only likely to get worse. Still, as you say, it's the music that counts! Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Weird CDs > Hooray! They arrived today (well, they arrived yesterday, but I had to go > to the post office this morning to pick 'em up)! Thanks, Andy!! > > I can post tracklists shortly, if someone still needs 'em (but I'm at work > now and it'll have to wait until I get home), but the only actual tape I'm > familiar with is Hawklords '78 104. > > I haven't even had a chance to listen yet (I'm tempted to blow off the jam > session I have scheduled for tonight, but I promised ... :^( ... ), but I > got 'Atomhenge 76' and Weird 101-105, and I *can* comment on the packaging. > First of all, the 'Atomhenge' packaging is real nice, with a big color > booklet, just like the 'Live 79' and 'Masques' Collectors' series ... some > overlap in photos with the 'Thrilling Adventures' CD, but some different (a > compleatist - at least of the Calvert era - like me, needs both). And the > sci-fi illustrations on the Weird CD's are real nice; I like 'em a lot. > BUT ... whoever picked the photos for inside the CD inserts > is A MAJOR MORON! For instance: > 101 Sonic Assassins / Dave Brock solo - 'Atomhenge 76' photo w/Rudolph etc. > 102 Hawkwind 77 / Hawklords studio - Yes! The actual '77 lineup in the photo! > 103 Hawkwind 77/75 - unidentifiable photo - can anyone else tell? > 104 Hawklords 78 - 'Live 79' photo w/Tim & Huw > 105 Hawkwind 76/77 - photo of the '82 lineup w/Huw & Nik > > ... one (or maybe two, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the photo in > Weird 103 is even more recent than 104 & 105) correct photo out of five > isn't a very good track record. I mean, I expect that kind of sloppiness > on the umpteenth reissue of the same old crap from Dave Anderson or > Frenchy, but come one! This is an official product! It's not as though > photos from the Hawklords tour don't exist or anything like that (I'm sure > Knut Gerwers wouldn't mind if you snatched one off his Calvert website for > such a worthy cause). And what the *&%$&^ is Huw doing there? He didn't > play on ANY of the stuff! Maybe I'm the only person who cares about this, > but I'd rather have blank inserts than the wrong ones. > > Of course, I'm incredibly happy that these have finally been released on > CD, and the photo issue won't interfere one bit with my enjoyment of the > music, which is the important part. I'll write about that next time ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:55:32 EST, Al Ogilvy wrote: > > Im sorry ,I know this has been up before but I've accidently wiped my filing > >cabinet ! > >Could someone either please post a list of the weird tapes with Track lists > >and the differences between CDs and tapes, Or else give me an http where I > >can find this info. > From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Nov 16 15:18:12 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:18:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" made a small but important appearance in the > online comic Clan of the Cats - July 9 1999 > > http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html That seemed like some decent PR for the band. Does the cartoonist normally drop band names in the strip since it's about DJs? Or do they usually stick to situations outside the booth? Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 16 16:28:44 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:28:44 -0800 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: I *am* preparing a lengthy post about the music (really! because it rules!!!), but I'll quickly add ... On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:52:41 -0000, J D wrote: >It ain't that difficult to spell band member names correctly, list correct >songs in correct order, match photos to years etc but it appears to be >beyond whoever gets the job. Agreed. >EMI re-masters are to be praised for not suffering from the above. Yes! Emphatically agreed! Hopefully this will be the case if/when the Charisma back catalog is reissued, even if the packaging/remastering isn't quite up to the UA catalog's extremely high quality. >I'm not suggesting that the Weirds suffer from all 3 afflictions above ... Unfortunately, they do. My favorites are "Steve Swindles" and "Aidrain Shaw" (I assume that the first is a con man and the second is a plumber? Is that what their occupations became after leaving Hawkwind?). They even manage to misspell Ade's name differently on another volume! But as far as I can tell, the music is 100% intact, which at least puts Voiceprint ahead of Cleopatra (thanks for butchering "Robot" on the 'Golden Void' double-CD, guys!). And I'd much rather have the correct music with a few typos than the correct information with bad/wrong music ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 16 16:50:17 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:50:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference Message-ID: Couldn't tell you - I am only a month or so into it. Howver, the next days strip mentions a tuxedo t-shirt. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Halligan [SMTP:blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:18 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Online Comic Reference > > > "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" made a small but important appearance in the > > online comic Clan of the Cats - July 9 1999 > > > > http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html > > That seemed like some decent PR for the band. Does the cartoonist normally > drop band names in the strip since it's about DJs? Or do they usually > stick > to situations outside the booth? > > Brian > > -- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 17:00:50 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:00:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Clearlight Symphony Vinyl LP for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in buying a copy of the eponymous Clearlight Symphony LP? Artists: TIM BLAKE / Cyrille Verdeaux / Steve Hillage / Didier Malherbe / Christian Boule / Gilbert Artman / Martin Isaacs Tracks: Clearlight Symphony Part 1 & Part 2. Sleeve Condition: Good with expected wear and tear for a 1975 LP. Vinyl Condition: A tad crackly during quieter moments. Virgin V2029 Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Features a 28 page booklet with the bands biography, album lyrics and exclusive photos. Gary also has Bevis Frond, Ash Ra Temple, Gentle Giant and more. Check it out! http://www.artist-shop.com D-Rider (Darrin) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Nov 16 15:28:01 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:28:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" made a small but important appearance in the >> online comic Clan of the Cats - July 9 1999 >> >> http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html > > That seemed like some decent PR for the band. Does the cartoonist normally > drop band names in the strip since it's about DJs? Or do they usually stick > to situations outside the booth? > > Brian > > -- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com I meant "song names." Hmmm...I wonder what would happen if BOC started touring as Don't Fear the Reaper? I don't think the band's known well enough for people to think they're a cover group. More people probably know that song title than know the name Blue Oyster Cult. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 18:27:05 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:27:05 -0000 Subject: Bedouin/Simon House Message-ID: 'Elfily last minute news is that Simon House will be guesting with Bedouin in Putney on Saturday night. Glen is learning an old favourite for the occasion. Neil. 17th The Twist, Military Road, Colchester. 01206 562453 AoS 18th Half Moon, 93,Richmond Road, Putney.0181 7809383 Bedouin with guest Simon House 23rd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin 24th Axe and Cleaver, 16, West Street, Boston.01205 367300. Bedouin 25th Running Horse,16 Alfreton Road Nottingham.0115 9787398. AoS Dec 1st Uplands Tavern, 42,Uplands Cres., Swansea.01792 458242. Bedouin 2nd Community Centre, Rye, Sussex. 07899 676723. Bedouin with guest Harvey Bainbridge 16th Lister Hall, Dursley, Gloucestershire. Bedouin with Groundhogs supporting Jan 5th Burley's Rock Club, Marine Parade, Worthing AoS 6th The Cartoon, Croydon AoS March 24th Leas Cliff Hall, Folkstone. Bedouin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 16 19:26:33 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:26:33 -0000 Subject: HW -: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: Not only all that (and well said too), but here's a good one I picked up this week. So, a reputable manager of a group big in the prog/psych circles right now discovers a new band, a talented new band, a serious rock band, and gets the interest of a main label player in the industry. So, what do you think is the first concern that the label has? Money? Album band? Touring band? Chart Potential? Looks? No - the first question asked was....'how old are they'?? SAY WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How old are they????? Shine on - so now, if it wasn't bad enough already, now there's an unwritten rule in the industry not to sign any rock band (or anyone come to that) if they've matured beyond embryonic level. I wouldn't mind if I thought the record label had it in their minds to develop a career but you just know that is not the case. SELL NOW OR BE DUMPED - and don't expect us to pay the tab. The motto of the Corporate Y2K music industry. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's > Also, labels need to realize the fickle nature of the current generation > of music buyers, and not freak out and dump bands when their > second and third CDs don't sell mega-millions like the first one. If > they're smart, they won't keep kicking out huge advances to bands > for second and third albums, and should be content [and set up their > budgets accordingly] to realize modest sales on some albums. Better > to make a few bucks off several bands than go for a big killing with > one group. But they won't do that. They'd rather put their whole > budget behind one Metallica, than give several bands a chance. > Same thing operates in Hollywood. The studios would rather have > one 'Titanic' or Terminator 23 than 20 smaller, more creative films, > even though having one blockbuster flick tank can wreck their whole > studio! > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 16 19:31:20 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:31:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Ah, but did anyone spot, on 'Epoch Eclipse' the photo of the Hawkwind line-up that isn't to be found on the actual CD's??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "J D" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: HW: Weird CDs > EMI re-masters are to be praised for not suffering from the above. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 16 19:35:26 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:35:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Great - glad we got them to you. For those that care, the best seller has been Weird 101 and the worst seller, Weird 104 - go figure!!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Weird CDs > Hooray! They arrived today (well, they arrived yesterday, but I had to go > to the post office this morning to pick 'em up)! Thanks, Andy!! > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 16 20:19:39 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:19:39 +0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 In-Reply-To: <001401c03c2f$1196d140$8baa08d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Well,I don't agree. > Actual it was one of the worst I've ever seen and I've seen a LOT. > Mind though it was FANTASTIC to see all those guys on stage,really orgasmic. > But it was obvious the rehearsals didn't went on very well. > What a shit was Hugh LLoyd Langton playing,real bad,and I love the man's > guitar playing(got all his stuff) > He completely messed up "Angels Of Death".I saw Dave's look at him while > playing it and it wasn't a pleasant one. > I saw Dave nodding his head and blowing steam of after the song. Huw was pretty bad. He picked up a little towards the end of the evening but even so. And his singing - worse than the guitar playing, worse even than Tim's singimg which I was at least expecting. I wonder what _was_ up with him. I'd have said too much beer too, but someone has said otherwise already. > When they started the show we were sitting on the balcony and the sound was > very very bad. > So we went downstairs and the sound was a little better but very flat and no > power. Well, it just wasn't loud enough was it? I had real trouble making things out, and Kirsten, my well-known other half, swears she couldn't actually hear *anything* for most of the mock-Space Ritual. She was reacting oddly to the lights and her hearing's not of the best - but I had trouble making things out too. And my ears weren't ringing at all when I left. I realise it's perverse to say you haven't had your money's worth unless you've had your hearing damaged but even so. It wasn't loud enough. > Guess they had trouble with all the different lines and microphones. I will say this, whenever I noticed someone was low in the mix, by the time I next remembered to listen out he (or she, not that she was low exactly) was audible. The soundman was at least trying. Hell of a job, though. > Tim Blake was absolutely fabulastic!!! Really made my evening through all > the songs he played along. He barely left the stage, did he? I was watching him from the back thinking it was Harvey - my eyesight being seemingly poor - he was on almost everything. And he definitely added to things. His solo set was rather pretty too. "The, er, _support_ act already played `Lighthouse'... " > Also surprise of the day was Steve Swindells,he's got more up his sleeve > than we all think. Hmm, you say. I thought he was lousy personally. He wasn't there most of the time he was on stage and when he was he was painfully gauche. The bridge of `Sputnik Stan' was the worst, with Alan hopping up and down to try and keep him in time. I don't rate Mr. Swindells at all and I saw nothing to change my views. > Furthermore the solo spot from Dave wasn't that good in my opinion.And I'm > the man who once said to Dave he could let a fart and record it,I would buy > it anyway. I agree, and there's no more to say really except that I would probably not buy that, since there would be other things that would get the money first. > Also don't think this will be an annual event as Nik Turner pointed out at > the end of the evening. Nik had already told us it was going to happen in March, after all. > Dave is too much a perfectionist to let that happen again. > Don't think there will be a live-cd too as too much went wrong.The Hawks > recorded the AB in Brussels some years ago > and they weren't perfect to Dave's standards,so they didn't release it,as > was the intention (a few songs were released on the cd:"In Your Area") and > that was a HELL of a gig (as I previosly mentioned).Or they have to do major > reconstruction and editing. This is very true. Though it would be lovely to have a video and CD package of the whole event just so we could work out what we saw, some of it was just unreleasable. Only being there made it worthwhile. I doubt we'll get Huw's bit or that `Master of the Universe', and I think an otherwise excellent `Sputnik Stan' will get the chop for that appalingly badly-timed keys break. 3/4 of it might survive though. Dpn't get me wrong, I had a whale of a time and I wouldn't have missed it for the world. Some of it wasn't very good, but the parts that were incredibly unbelievable made up for it and then a few galaxies. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 16 20:32:18 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:02:18 +1030 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: > > > > I demand a recount! > > > by hand? > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > FoFP Blind Drunk our blind eyes ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: Re: VH1 > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > Andy G'b > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M Holmes" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > by hand? > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 16 20:34:55 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:55 +0000 Subject: Brixton 2000: The Morning After - vocalists In-Reply-To: <004e01c03c41$2c8924a0$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Kevin Perry wrote: > My favourite *live* vocalists are Alan (before he decided to try to sing so > much like Lemmy), Dave and Bridgett. I think Ron has been a complete > disaster: he can't sing, he can't play bass (he beats Harvey for the 'worst > bass player' accolade hands down) and he has no charisma - he comes across > to me as being a complete and utter tw*t on stage. If you're playing for > free, fine, but if you're charging good money for tickets, then I don't thin > kit's right to see members of the band dicking around like that. If it > wasn't for losing the bassist, I think Dave should fire him straight away. I'll defend some of those accusations. First off, Ron plays much better bass than Harvey. Though Harvey not only plays but has composed some quite complex basslines he never ever leaves them on record - you might as well have a robot playing them. Ron, once he gets warmed up, plays around a bit and can manage a flourish or two to raise the eyebrows. He can't sing but he understands dynamics and effect, or at leats I've seen him when he did. These last two years he hasn't put as much into his performance as he did when he was front-man proper, and of course he's also stopped writing somgs, at least as far as we get to see. No problem with that as far as I'm concerned, his songs had stopped having anything new in them and in any case he wrote something new since any other member of Hawkwind did, Tim Blake excepted. Even so, I agree that he does pratt about, especially when he's competing for stage attention, which is just immature, albeit understandable. He has had to try and fill Lemmy's and Calvert's shoes every time he's stepped onto stage and who wants to do that, who has their own ideas? Also, he was on lousy form at Brixton. Tired possibly? The photos make him look it, and I gather he's got domestic problems at the moment. Also, he may have been trying to do the solemn Calvert from _Space Ritual_ (as opposed to the manic one from Hawklords) and thus seemed more restrained. I don't know. He's lost what he had that made him interesting, I think, but he did a lot of good stuff and might do some more. > Do Hawkwind need a frontman (frontperson I guess)? I don't know: on the one > hand, I don't think they do - tyhe Chronicles tour is a great example of > great no-frontman live performance in my opinion - but on the other hand, > if they do want a frontperson then I think that Sam Fox would do a better > job than Ron ever did. The way that the Space Bandits and following tour > with Bridgett worked was great: some tracks benefitted from the female > vocals and a focus, whereas others worked well with Dave and Alan singing > (Harvey's BVs work OK, and his rantings on things like Back In The Box are > just so over the top that they're great). I think there is a place for a dedicated frontman. Nik and Ron have both shown that they can do it and of course there was Calvert. It's just like another instrument though. You know, it's a bonus if there's a violin, but you can have a good gig without it, same for lead guitar, same for a proper frontman. Nik has the advantage that he can play and front at the same time because of playing something large and shiny that you can fling from side to side. I do think Sam Fox knows how to play to a crowd (stop sniggering at the back there) and it was interesting seeing her do so for Hawkwind. I'm not sure how many times it'd bear seeing if she were a regular though. Good that she was willing to do it at all, even so. Yours, Jon Jarrett -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 16 20:35:30 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:05:30 +1030 Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 Message-ID: >> > Ah, the girls from Heart. I used to dream about those two when I was a > teenager. > > Cheers > Bill Stop that!!!! Those sorts of emails are not allowed!!! Major whatshisname from Monty Python ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:52 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: VH1 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:42 PM > Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 > > > > >BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > >but just behind Sonic Youth (54). > > Ah, the girls from Heart. I used to dream about those two when I was a > teenager. > > Cheers > Bill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 16 20:39:31 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:39:31 +0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 In-Reply-To: <000c01c03c4b$b251e860$f8a108d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > I also had the same feeling prior to the gig about everybody being in too > much hopes. > If we all have to be real honest in our hearts we actual all wanted "Space > Ritual". > This doesn't mean I don't like other Hawk-stuff (I think they made better > stuff later) > but Lemmy,DikMik & Del Dettmar being there,that's what we wanted. Well, yes, we wanted some of that. I was quite keen for everything else too - you know, first couple of years with twelve-string and dense acoustic fog, NWOBHM-like Live '79-style riffing, Charisma-a-like line-up doing `Hassan i Sabha' (oh someone _please_ make Simon play keys live again!), even the eighties line-up doing stuff from the RCA albums. And I would have like some new stuff too. That I didn't get but I'm happy enough with the answers I got to my other wants. You know, the _Space Ritual_ line-up was real special. But with so many other people involved there was room for a lot of special moments. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 16 21:38:31 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:38:31 -0500 Subject: BOC:vh1 Message-ID: >At 07:15 AM 11/15/00 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: The first female is #48 >Janis Joplin >Smashing Pumpkins >Sonic Youth >White Zombie/ Rob Zombie >Heart >Joan Jett and the Blackhearts >Pat Benatar >Hole >Pixies >Lita Ford >============================= Only 10, Still it's good to see there are a few. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Nov 16 18:50:54 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:50:54 -0500 Subject: BOC - Releases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >BLUE OYSTER CULT-TYRANNY & MUTATION + SECRET... (2CD) $29.95 Exclusive >French coupling of their mythical albums presented in the infamous Axe >Killer double leather digipaks. Both CDs have been remastered and feature >bonus tracks. 'Tyranny & Mutation' adds 'Cities On Flame With Rock 'N' Roll' >while 'Secret Treaties' adds, 'Stairway To The Stars'. Features a 28 page >booklet with the bands biography Arthur Levy? ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 17 02:08:32 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:08:32 -0800 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: Are you talking about the triple CD or the single CD? In the case of the latter (the only one I have), I'd have to say it's perfectly appropriate to include the original (ok, first album) lineup in a career-spanning retrospective ... a bit different from an '82 photo with music from '76-'78. (And not technically one of the EMI remasters either, but that's splitting hairs!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:31:20 -0000 , ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >Ah, but did anyone spot, on 'Epoch Eclipse' the photo of the Hawkwind line-up >that isn't to be found on the actual CD's??? > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "J D" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:52 PM >Subject: HW: Weird CDs > >> EMI re-masters are to be praised for not suffering from the above. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 17 02:11:17 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:11:17 -0800 Subject: HW: Weird CD's - the music Message-ID: This is easily the most significant release (or at least "vintage" release) for Hawkwind since 'The 1999 Party'. Major kudos to Voiceprint for releasing this sheer volume of material, and to Dave Brock (and whoever else worked at it) for getting it TO the label. This era ('76-'78) has been pretty skimpily covered in terms of live material released, yet this is IMO some of the BEST Hawkwind ever. But then again, the Calvert/Shaw/House/King lineup has always been one of my favorite's (and if it's yours, you don't need this review to tell you that you NEED these five CD's). Like I've said said, I never heard any of the original tapes except 104 Hawklords live, but I know the Flicknife (Friends & Relations, Sonic Assassins EP, etc.) and Samurai (Anthology/Acid Daze) -released material from this era (75-78) pretty well - timings in brackets [] are those of the aforementioned alternate-source equivalents for comparison / verification purposes. So here's the timings and a few off-the-cuff remarks ... Weird 101 Sonic Assassins live 77 / Dave Brock demos (49.30) Over the Top (7.49) [7.53] Magnu (3.19) [3.12] Angels of Death (5.16) [1.11] Free Fall (8.00) [7.54] Death Trap (5.03) [4.30] Nuclear Toy Who's Gonna Win the War (4.54) [5.55] The Dream 1 Assassination The Dream 2 Satellite The Sonic Assassins tracks contain a bit of extra material (already on the tape, I assume, but never on vinyl/CD). There's Bob's rant (and a lot more jamming) at the end of "Angels of Death", as someone else mentioned. And a little more at the end of "Death Trap", too. The tracks also sound like different mixes than the releases on Flicknife etc. - the synth noises are a bit more prevalent in a few places, but it's not a significant difference. Unfortunately, the one other song from the Sonic Assassins set ("Golden Void" [4.44]) isn't included. The version of "Who's Gonna Win The War" sounds like the one on Flicknife (it's Hawklords, not Brock solo), but appears to fade prematurely. This may be the only volume without any mistakes in the credits. Weird 102 Hawkwind live 77 / Hawklords studio 78 (41.16) Quark, Strangeness & Charm (2.38) [2.38] Master of the Universe (4.44) Welcome to the Future (2.10) Spirit of the Age (5.50) [5.57] Sonic Attack (5.27) Valium 10 (7.57) [7.51] Douglas in the Jungle (6.55) [6.53] Time Of ... (5.33) [4.07] "Quark" is the 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze'/etc. version. "Spirit of the Age" is the Flicknife version (there's a bit of microphone feedback in the second verse @2.20 to verify), but the full fade-out/destruction into "Sonic Attack" is included. The first two Hawklords studio tracks are the released ("Motorhead" B-side, 'Acid Daze'/'Anthology') versions. "Time Of..." sounds like an alternate version or different take - a bit rougher & rawer than the one from the "Who's Gonna Win The War" B-side. The credits for "Sonic Attack" make no mention of Michael Moorcock. Weird 103 Free Festivals 77/75 (42.01) High Rise (5.37) Damnation Alley (parts 1&2) (8.00) Uncle Sam's On Mars (6.33) Robot (7.21) Circles (4.44) I Am the Eye (4.29) Slap it on the Table (4.26) ? (0.50) [11.48 - "Watchfield Festival" track] The '77 stuff is great, and blows away other versions you've heard of these songs ('PXR5', 'Acid Daze', 'Friends & Relations'). The version of "Uncle Sam's on Mars" is STILL different from the other 3 released versions (geez!). And includes the "Iron Dream" (King) finale. Who's singing the falsetto in "Robot"?! I think this is all different portions of the Watchfield festival than the "Watchfield Festival" track on 'Anthology'/'Acid Daze', but I'm not completely certain; more listening is required! What the heck is the last track?!? Is that Nik acting up? A few errors ... "Damnation Alley" is (Calvert/Brock/House), not (Brock/Calvert). "Uncle Sam's on Mars" is (Brock/Calvert/House/King) - sorry Ade, and its credits are confused with: "Slap it on de Table" (Brock/Rudolph/Turner/Dunkley/Powell) "Aidran" Shaw's name is misspelled. Weird 104 Hawklords live 78 (47.55) Death Trap (6.21) Micro Man (3.40) Spirit of the Age (9.25) Urban Guerilla (5.18) Steppenwolf (9.07) Free Fall (5.28) Uncle Sam's on Mars (8.33) As previously noted, "Uncle Sam's on Mars" is (Brock/Calvert/House/King), not (Brock/Calvert). And it again includes the "Iron Dream" finale (King). This is a great show! A different one than the previous 'Hawklords Live' CD. While admittedly the talents of Swindells/Bainbridge/Griffin don't quite match (who could?) those of House/Shaw/King, the new members more than acquit themselves with loads of raw energy. This is one of the most rocked-out Hawkwind-related recordings, and Bob is amazingly over-the-top on "Urban Guerilla" and a punked-up "Uncle Sam's On Mars" (throughout the CD, really). Weird 105 live 76/77 (43.12) Back on the Streets (Calvert/Rudolph) (3.50) City of Lagoons (House) (5.09) Brainstorm (Turner) (7.25) Wind of Change (Brock) (4.07) Assassins of Allah (Calvert/Rudolph) (7.17) Forge of Vulcan (House) (2.33) Steppenwolf (Calvert/Brock) (10.29) Where Are They Now? (Brock) (2.19) "Back on the Streets" has the full three verses, but like the 'Atomhenge' version, is missing a couple chords that made it into the studio version. Is it Brock - keyboard, Rudolph - guitar, House - violin on "City of Lagoons"? "Brainstorm", "Assassins" & "Steppenwolf" all rock (*blistering* violin solo on "Steppenwolf"), and the instrumentals provide atmosphere. Very nice. The last minute of "Steppenwolf" is the US 'Quark, Strangeness & Charm' LP ad. Is "Where Are They Now" a Brock demo? No songwriting credits whatsoever on this CD ... could it be that it's the only one with more than one or two non-Brock songs? Nah ... Who the heck is "Aidrain" Shaw?!? And why do they keep spelling his name differently? I didn't buy Weird 106 yet since I already have (almost) all the stuff between the 'Greasy Truckers' tracks on the 'Space Ritual' remaster and the usual suspects on 'Acid Daze' and 'Friends & Relations' etc. And Weird 107 will probably have to wait until after I get 'Agents of Chaos' and 'Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams'. Someone else please write those up! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 02:16:43 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:46:43 +1030 Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy Message-ID: Hi Check out the newly added Beehive photos also theres a new chat room available 8>) http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Check it out Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Fri Nov 17 02:50:34 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:50:34 +0100 Subject: AW: Weird CD's - the music Message-ID: Hello Doug Thanks VERY much for these very usefull infos about the WEIRD CD's >Weird 104 Hawklords live 78 (47.55) >Death Trap (6.21) >Micro Man (3.40) >Spirit of the Age (9.25) >Urban Guerilla (5.18) >Steppenwolf (9.07) >Free Fall (5.28) >Uncle Sam's on Mars (8.33) >As previously noted, "Uncle Sam's on Mars" is (Brock/Calvert/House/King), >not (Brock/Calvert). And it again includes the "Iron Dream" finale (King). >This is a great show! A different one than the previous 'Hawklords Live' CD. >While admittedly the talents of Swindells/Bainbridge/Griffin don't quite >match (who could?) those of House/Shaw/King, the new members more than >acquit themselves with loads of raw energy. This is one of the most >rocked-out Hawkwind-related recordings, and Bob is amazingly over-the-top >on "Urban Guerilla" and a punked-up "Uncle Sam's On Mars" (throughout the >CD, really). The WEIRD 104 recording is from Plymouth, 23.11.1978 The HAWKLORDS LIVE recording is from Uxbridge, 24.11.1978 If someone is interested, I've got 3 more tracks from the Plymouth 1978 gig on tape cheers Bernhard From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Fri Nov 17 04:00:46 2000 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:00:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Clearlight Symphony Vinyl LP for sale Message-ID: Yes, what's your price for it ? are you interested in a swap ? Please e-mail me privately, Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ --- bwaje at claranet.fr---- Perso : www.bwaje.claranet.fr Hawkzone : www.altern.org/hawkzone/ /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_//_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: HW: Clearlight Symphony Vinyl LP for sale Hi, Anybody interested in buying a copy of the eponymous Clearlight Symphony LP? Artists: TIM BLAKE / Cyrille Verdeaux / Steve Hillage / Didier Malherbe / Christian Boule / Gilbert Artman / Martin Isaacs Tracks: Clearlight Symphony Part 1 & Part 2. Sleeve Condition: Good with expected wear and tear for a 1975 LP. Vinyl Condition: A tad crackly during quieter moments. Virgin V2029 Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 04:04:11 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:04:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 Message-ID: My oh my... you had very antiseptic tastes.. did you wear rubber gloves? I'll get me coat, and follow Rich L ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cynthia [mailto:freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Re: VH1 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:42 PM > Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 > > > > >BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > Zombie (56), > > >but just behind Sonic Youth (54). > > Ah, the girls from Heart. I used to dream about those two when I was a > teenager. > > Cheers > Bill > From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 04:07:25 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:07:25 -0000 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cynthia [mailto:freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Holmes" > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White Zombie (56), > > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > by hand? > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > > FoFP > > What? Without hands? :-)~ > > Bill It saves on the rubber gloves.... ChrisW (Donning nomex overalls *g*) From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Nov 17 03:46:51 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:46:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tape trade 2000 Message-ID: Hi there, As in the last 2 years I'll be sticking up a web page with all the tracklistings so sned them through to info at the-rocker.co.uk Stuart The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist Web Design - http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 04:08:49 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:08:49 -0000 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: Shows that the rubber gloves work!!! Chris W (I know, I know....) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Gilham [mailto:andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > Wot no pregnant chads? > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of M Holmes > > Sent: 16 November 2000 11:06 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > > > Andy G'b > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > > Zombie (56), > > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > by hand? > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > > FoFP > > > From bwaje at CLARANET.FR Fri Nov 17 04:22:13 2000 From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (bwaje) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:22:13 +0100 Subject: HW:questions Message-ID: Found this on imesh : Pink Floyd - Rare Tracks - Hyperdrive Reprise (Hawkwind).mp3 Is it really a reprise ? Secundo, what is this record :"recorded live empire pool england 1973 " ? Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ --- bwaje at claranet.fr---- Perso : www.bwaje.claranet.fr Hawkzone : www.altern.org/hawkzone/ /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_//_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 17 04:59:35 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:59:35 -0000 Subject: Tape trade 2000 In-Reply-To: <000701c05072$ee43f9e0$b889bbd4@stuarthamilton> Message-ID: Oo-er, better finish me tape. Side one's a corker though!!! -- Andy www.andygilham.com > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Zeitgeist > Sent: 17 November 2000 08:47 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF: Tape trade 2000 > > > Hi there, > > As in the last 2 years I'll be sticking up a web page with all the > tracklistings so sned them through to info at the-rocker.co.uk > > Stuart > > The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock > requirements > Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk > Zeitgeist Web Design - http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk > Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 > From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 05:23:58 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:23:58 -0000 Subject: FW: Tape trade 2000 Message-ID: Likewise... Decisions, decisions.... Indecisively Yours ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Gilham [mailto:andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: Tape trade 2000 > > > Oo-er, better finish me tape. Side one's a corker though!!! > > -- Andy > > www.andygilham.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Zeitgeist > > Sent: 17 November 2000 08:47 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: OFF: Tape trade 2000 > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > As in the last 2 years I'll be sticking up a web page with all the > > tracklistings so sned them through to info at the-rocker.co.uk > > > > Stuart > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 05:57:26 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:57:26 GMT Subject: VH1 In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:02:18 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > by hand? > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > Blind Drunk our blind eyes Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be Master of the Universe. FoFP From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 05:59:43 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:59:43 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more exciting! Yours Dave Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 07:00:08 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:00:08 +0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: XXX wrote: > Hello FolksReading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say > that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. It was an enjoyable event nonetheless. I wouldn't have missed it for anything. > I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different > and much more exciting! I can't wait! cheers, Keef From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 17 02:41:19 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:41:19 +0800 Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy Message-ID: Excellent site Michael. We'll have to organise a chat so everyone can join in. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy Hi Check out the newly added Beehive photos also theres a new chat room available 8>) http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Check it out Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Nov 17 07:27:57 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:27:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering Message-ID: There have been a rash of cover bands that have played locally this year (Believer/Ozzy being the latest one) and it got me thinking. Are there any BOC cover bands out there? What kind of 'permission' do you need to becomre one? And if you were to start on, what would you name it? I thought 3 Men in Black would make a good name. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 17 06:04:11 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:04:11 -0000 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: > Michael Blackman writes: > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > > > by hand? > > > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > Blind Drunk our blind eyes > > Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be > Master of the Universe. I think Sam Fox beat you to it... :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 17 06:56:06 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:56:06 EDT Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17 Nov 00, at 7:27, Hall, Russell J wrote: > There have been a rash of cover bands that have played locally this > year (Believer/Ozzy being the latest one) and it got me thinking. Are > there any BOC cover bands out there? What kind of 'permission' do you > need to becomre one? And if you were to start on, what would you name > it? > I played in a band way back when that did a lot of BOC material, but we weren't a tribute band as such, 'cause we covered lots of other bands too. You wouldn't need permission from the band, but it would be nice to have it. I've never heard of a BOC tribute band, but I wouldn't mind starting one if anyone's interested! theo From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 17 06:03:17 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:03:17 +0800 Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 Message-ID: Hehehehe. I liked the blonde one better. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:04 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Re: VH1 > My oh my... you had very antiseptic tastes.. did you wear rubber gloves? > > I'll get me coat, and follow Rich L > > ChrisW > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill & Cynthia [mailto:freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU] > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:23 AM > > Subject: Re: OFF: Re: VH1 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:42 PM > > Subject: OFF: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > >BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > > Zombie (56), > > > >but just behind Sonic Youth (54). > > > > Ah, the girls from Heart. I used to dream about those two when I was a > > teenager. > > > > Cheers > > Bill > > > From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 17 06:08:23 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:08:23 +0800 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: I know what to buy you for Christmas now Chris. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Re: VH1 > Shows that the rubber gloves work!!! > > Chris W > (I know, I know....) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Gilham [mailto:andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM] > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:29 AM > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > Wot no pregnant chads? > > > > -- Andy > > > > www.andygilham.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > > Behalf Of M Holmes > > > Sent: 16 November 2000 11:06 > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > > > > > > Andy G'b > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > > > Zombie (56), > > > > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > > > by hand? > > > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 17 07:09:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:09:35 EDT Subject: frijid pink In-Reply-To: <002301c05086$b3ca6740$ea4c3bcb@cynthiaf> Message-ID: Alert for <> http://www.artist-shop.com/catalog/imports/f-j.htm listing 3 frijid pink albums... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 08:18:44 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:18:44 EST Subject: frijid pink Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 8:10:17 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Alert for <> >> ======= yeah, i remember being alert... i think i saw a much longer version of 'house of the rising sun' on napster; might this have been the source? hmmm.... "" From nick at NETPHD.NET Fri Nov 17 08:44:16 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:44:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering In-Reply-To: <200011171256.HAA06457@syr.edu> Message-ID: > I've never heard of a BOC tribute band, but I > wouldn't mind starting one if anyone's interested! > > theo Don't quote me on this, but somewhere, back in the 80s, I'm almost positive I read somewhere that the singer for White Lion or one of those other footnote-to-an-era hair bands had started out in a BOC tribute band called Spectres. --Nick From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 09:03:10 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:03:10 -0600 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <006a01c05085$9574b4e0$c89393c3@default> Message-ID: > Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say >that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely >hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more >exciting! Yours Dave Brock DAVE BROCK making apologies for BriXXXton......you should be ashamed of your little throats(actually quite HUGE throats)(just playing around here guys...it's your list..it SURE ain't mine).....THE DEVIL was there and he was pleased.......even with HUW, cause he's so cool..... Would someone repost just what the deal was with him....as I thought he'd just tipped the champagne bottle(ok by me)(given the nerves on an event of this spectrum...not to mention the party) interested in why he was off if this wasn't the case as I saw a mention of it before......*out* PS ---GOD BLESS WHOEVER DECIDED TO LET THE 3 DEMO CD's OUT...........we NEED this stuff to survive....it's FOOD....."RECENT REPORTS"...how smashing!!!! From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Nov 17 08:05:39 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:05:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering In-Reply-To: <200011171256.HAA06457@syr.edu> Message-ID: > On 17 Nov 00, at 7:27, Hall, Russell J wrote: > >> There have been a rash of cover bands that have played locally this >> year (Believer/Ozzy being the latest one) and it got me thinking. Are >> there any BOC cover bands out there? What kind of 'permission' do you >> need to becomre one? And if you were to start on, what would you name >> it? >> > I played in a band way back when that did a lot of BOC material, but > we weren't a tribute band as such, 'cause we covered lots of other > bands too. You wouldn't need permission from the band, but it would > be nice to have it. I've never heard of a BOC tribute band, but I > wouldn't mind starting one if anyone's interested! > > theo Is "Too Hip for the Room" a BOC cover band? I know they put out at least one CD of covers. Supposedly the covers varied greatly in style from the originals, but other people here know a lot more about it than I do. Maybe it's in the latest edition of the FAQ? Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 17 09:12:18 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:12:18 -0500 Subject: BOC - Releases Message-ID: > Subject: BOC - Releases > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:23:08 GMT > From: Darrin McKeehen > > Hey Now! > > Guess that some would call this a plug for a fellow Buckeye. I just > thought > some of the stateside BOC fans might be interested in the following: > > BLUE OYSTER CULT-TYRANNY & MUTATION + SECRET... (2CD) $29.95 Exclusive > French coupling of their mythical albums presented in the infamous Axe > Killer double leather digipaks. Both CDs have been remastered and > feature > bonus tracks. 'Tyranny & Mutation' adds 'Cities On Flame With Rock 'N' > Roll' > while 'Secret Treaties' adds, 'Stairway To The Stars'. Features a 28 > page > booklet with the bands biography, album lyrics and exclusive photos. > Anybody know anything more about this? Would be interesting to hear the remasterd versions, and I'd also like to know if Cities on Flame and Stairway to the Stars are the versions off the first BOC CD. Inquiring FAQ editors want details on this release! John From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 09:22:56 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:22:56 +0000 Subject: HW:Re: Updates and poster Message-ID: Rik Rx wrote: > ++STAR WARRIORS > > Updated Xmas information now uploaded on Mission Control > also the event poster preview....... > > ++MESSAGE ENDS Shouldn't the poster read "Astoria" instead of "Astroria" or is the venue changing it's name for the day? Keef From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri Nov 17 09:30:48 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:30:48 -0500 Subject: upcoming show in Philadelphia Message-ID: Friday, December 15th!!! "An Evening of Prog and Space Rock" Dr. Watson's Pub 216 South 11th street Philadelphia PA (215) 922-3427 $6.00 admission price 21+ to enter Time: Program begins approximately 8:00PM Lineup ( in order of appearance ) Divided Sky Ploy Shirati SLOTERDIJK http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Nov 17 09:28:21 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:28:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering Message-ID: THFTR is a hilaroius CD. Especially with Eric's intro. "...they came from an island. It wasn't wide, but it was long..." "...then came the fateful song, "Don't fear the Reaper", an ode to farm equipment." or something like that. Career of Evil done as a marching jody - ye gods! > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Halligan [SMTP:blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:06 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BOC: Cover Band Pondering > > > On 17 Nov 00, at 7:27, Hall, Russell J wrote: > > > >> There have been a rash of cover bands that have played locally this > >> year (Believer/Ozzy being the latest one) and it got me thinking. Are > >> there any BOC cover bands out there? What kind of 'permission' do you > >> need to becomre one? And if you were to start on, what would you name > >> it? > >> > > I played in a band way back when that did a lot of BOC material, but > > we weren't a tribute band as such, 'cause we covered lots of other > > bands too. You wouldn't need permission from the band, but it would > > be nice to have it. I've never heard of a BOC tribute band, but I > > wouldn't mind starting one if anyone's interested! > > > > theo > > Is "Too Hip for the Room" a BOC cover band? I know they put out at least > one > CD of covers. Supposedly the covers varied greatly in style from the > originals, but other people here know a lot more about it than I do. Maybe > it's in the latest edition of the FAQ? > > Brian > > > -- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 10:02:27 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:02:27 EST Subject: OFF:Re: REVOCATION (a joke !! ) Message-ID: here's one: http://www.onion.com/onion3641/serbia_deploys_forces.html ========== and, i might as well offend both sides while i'm at it; ELECTION 2@@@ FUN STUFF From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 10:38:36 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:38:36 +0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <006a01c05085$9574b4e0$c89393c3@default> Message-ID: In article <006a01c05085$9574b4e0$c89393c3 at default>, XXX writes > Hello Folks > Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some > of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope > that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more > exciting! > > Yours > Dave Brock Dave, If Brixton had been any more exciting, I would have exploded! -- Jon From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 10:44:52 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:44:52 +0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: > Dave, > > If Brixton had been any more exciting, > > I would have exploded! Yeah, shaken apart by the sonic attack! Keef From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 11:12:57 2000 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:12:57 EST Subject: napster, hawkwind and mp3's Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/2000 5:18:15 PM Central Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > At the risk of shameless promotion, as long as the customer pays for the > CD's, CD Services will deliver them anywhere in the world, as we have been > Hey, Andy. We need a URL!! 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Kirsten, on far too little sleep -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: Motoerhead - Bastards From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 12:19:33 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:19:33 GMT Subject: Hotels near Astoria? Message-ID: Anyone got any tips for where to look for somewhere to stay on December 29th? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 17 12:23:02 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:23:02 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Kirsten Procter wrote: => Can someone explain to me why it's necessary to have this webpage in a => format which I can't possibly access? All I can get to is a refresh => address, which leads me back to a new refresh address. And the idea that I => have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please => don't bother with that suggeston.... I agree. It seems if you don't have a JavaScript-enabled browser, you're pretty much shafted trying to access this site. :-( Even then, the site can be a pain to access. I run Netscape on my NetBSD/alpha system at home under OSF compatibility mode, and all those flying alien heads are great for about the first 10 seconds, and, after that, you're wondering "very nice, but how do I stop them?" I use a DECstation 3100 as an X server for my NetBSD/alpha machine, and the 3100 is from the stone age, so "animation intensive" WWW pages swamp it with X traffic and slow everything down to a crawl. Yes, I could buy an expensive modern PeeCee system, but then I wouldn't have any money left to buy Hawkwind albums! So, what do you want, Dave, Hawkwind album sales or WWW page hits? ;-) I guess what I'm trying to say is that it would be nice to have a "text only" link in this snazzy site, for those who want "just the facts, ma'am," and can do without the eye candy... Cheers, Paul. NP: Deep Purple, _Shades of Deep Purple_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 13:27:16 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:27:16 -0600 Subject: HAWKWIND: THE ENERGIZER BUNNY Message-ID: Doug pearson in Previous message states: And Weird 107 will probably have to wait until after I get 'Agents of Chaos' and 'Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams'. Someone else please write those up! Doug....maybe good thing you don't own the WEIRD 107, as it's better than Hawkwind, (but then..it IS Hawkwind, isn't it...),,,and could turn your brain into frazzled mincemeat, and leave you a burned out sack of water retention ..(like me).....BEWARE....!! Silly 'Ol Devil....in his clapped out UFOshoes (at least if used under re-revisited experimental conditions of yesteryear) From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Nov 17 13:30:13 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:30:13 -0600 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Paul Mather wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk :On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Kirsten Procter wrote: : :=> Can someone explain to me why it's necessary to have this webpage in a :=> format which I can't possibly access? All I can get to is a refresh :=> address, which leads me back to a new refresh address. And the idea that I :=> have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please :=> don't bother with that suggeston.... : :I agree. It seems if you don't have a JavaScript-enabled browser, :you're pretty much shafted trying to access this site. :-( : :Even then, the site can be a pain to access. I run Netscape on my :NetBSD/alpha system at home under OSF compatibility mode, and all those :flying alien heads are great for about the first 10 seconds, and, after :that, you're wondering "very nice, but how do I stop them?" I use a :DECstation 3100 as an X server for my NetBSD/alpha machine, and the 3100 :is from the stone age, so "animation intensive" WWW pages swamp it with :X traffic and slow everything down to a crawl. Yes, I could buy an :expensive modern PeeCee system, but then I wouldn't have any money left :to buy Hawkwind albums! So, what do you want, Dave, Hawkwind album :sales or WWW page hits? ;-) : :I guess what I'm trying to say is that it would be nice to have a "text :only" link in this snazzy site, for those who want "just the facts, :ma'am," and can do without the eye candy... : To add my 2 cents: a text only page (or even a page designed for those who keep javascript turned off) would be very, very, very appreciated. Arin (at least for the updates....) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Fri Nov 17 13:34:18 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:34:18 -0800 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: The thing that's bothering me about the site is that the java console that gets launched is too small for the content it's displaying. There's no way to resize it and using the scrollbars just to see the page is just a pain. Please let us see the site in a normal browser window? Other than that, way cool..... scorch From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 13:40:36 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:40:36 -0600 Subject: HW: TERMINAL VELOCITY ATROCITIES Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:27:16 -0600 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >From: deltawave at metronet.com >Subject: HAWKWIND: THE ENERGIZER BUNNY >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > Doug pearson in Previous message states: > > And Weird 107 >will probably have to wait until after I get 'Agents of Chaos' and 'Strange >Trips & Pipe Dreams'. Someone else please write those up! > > > > > Doug....maybe good thing you don't own the WEIRD 107, as it's better than >Hawkwind, (but then..it IS Hawkwind, isn't it...),,,and could turn your >brain into frazzled mincemeat, and leave you a burned out sack of water >retention ..(like me).....BEWARE....!! Silly 'Ol Devil....in his clapped >out UFOshoes > >(at least if used under re-revisited experimental conditions of yesteryear) > > good hawkfans....I'm demanding and experimenting(impatient...generally confused,,,etc) ....apologies if 2 deleats are needed please forgive From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 13:51:52 2000 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:51:52 -0000 Subject: Bedouin/Simon House Message-ID: >18th Half Moon, 93,Richmond Road, Putney.0181 7809383 Bedouin with guest Simon House Anyone know start and finish times for this? I could phone but it means going offline! Si From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Nov 17 13:54:41 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:54:41 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Dave well i had a brilliant time at briton it was the best gig i have ever been too!!! thanks for all the time and effort you put into it looking forward to the astoria xmas bash too!!! cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 November 2000 11:03 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more exciting! Yours Dave Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 14:51:37 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:51:37 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Yes there were a few moments that didn't sparkle, but I still loved it. Thanks for 'Space is Deep'. What are the chances of us getting a cd or video of the show? Uncut of course ! Cheers Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 November 2000 10:59 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more exciting! Yours Dave Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 17 15:06:42 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:06:42 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Dave We Wouldn't have missed Brixton for the world(galaxy?) It was a fantastic gig, and wonderful to see so many people together. The World Hawk Family(Band and Fans) Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 17 15:09:03 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:09:03 -0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: Heh. I've got a Microvax 3100 in the garage if anyone really needs outdated hardware to view Hawkind.org.uk on. I'd shift it to my flat but I can't lift it ;-) Rich From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Nov 17 15:07:08 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:07:08 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: > The thing that's bothering me about the site is that the java console > that gets launched is too small for the content it's displaying. There's > no way to resize it and using the scrollbars just to see the page is > just a pain. Please let us see the site in a normal browser window? > > Other than that, way cool..... > scorch Yeah, I've got the same problem. It is irritating that the console is a fairly small window and I have to use the scrollbars to see the entire page... John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 17 14:58:52 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:58:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mr. Quimby's Beard Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just passing this note along to anyone interested and can make their way to the gig. Sadly, that doesn't include me. Grakkl (FAA) UK Space/Prog/Psych rockers Mr Quimby's Beard will be playing their first gig with their new line up at THE ROYALTY in their home town SUNDERLAND Tyne & Wear on Friday December 1st 2000. Admission will be a token ?1 (pay at the door) from 7pm. If your yet to hear Mr Quimby's Beard check out their official website www.btinternet.com/~freakyfungi which includes 2 of their albums in full (real audio) and over 10 of their songs to download (MP3s), plus reviews and full info for all their releases to date or COME AND SEE THEM LIVE. For more details of this gig or anything Mr Quimby's Beard related Email freakyfungi at btinternet.com From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Fri Nov 17 15:08:15 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:08:15 -0800 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: > > I've got a Microvax 3100 in the garage if anyone really needs outdated > hardware to view Hawkind.org.uk on. > > I'd shift it to my flat but I can't lift it ;-) > There's a MicroVax II not 6 feet away from me in my office, it makes a nice monitor stand. Not to mention heater... From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 17 15:13:31 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:13:31 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: <001301c050d2$3ca25640$9ba57ad5@bop> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Rich wrote: => I've got a Microvax 3100 in the garage if anyone really needs outdated => hardware to view Hawkind.org.uk on. Is that the same as a VAXstation 3100? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 15:16:31 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:16:31 EST Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 6:04:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > THE DEVIL was there and he > was pleased.......even with HUW, cause he's so cool..... > > Would someone repost just what the deal was with him....as I thought he'd > just tipped the champagne bottle(ok by me)(given the nerves on an event of > this spectrum...not to mention the party) interested in why he was off if > this wasn't the case as I saw a mention of it before......*out* > been thinking about this... perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) where Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 17 15:25:27 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:25:27 -0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: Actually I just checked It was a Microvax 2 afterall( So Many Vaxes So Little Time ;-) Looks Like WOPR out of Wargames crossed with a floorstanding heater. I can't face switching it on. Roll on the Christamas Gig! Before I Open an Orphanage for Obsolescent Computers. Rich From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Fri Nov 17 15:47:51 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:47:51 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: <001b01c050d1$f73f94a0$c16040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: At least you can get to it. I keep getting the old "There was no response. The server could be down or is not responding". Have been trying for weeks and weeks. I use Netscape 4.6, so it's not a java-thingy problem. Even tracked downt the IP address (216.167.114.177). Help me pleeeeez . . . . At 03:07 PM 11/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >> The thing that's bothering me about the site is that the java console >> that gets launched is too small for the content it's displaying. There's >> no way to resize it and using the scrollbars just to see the page is >> just a pain. Please let us see the site in a normal browser window? >> >> Other than that, way cool..... >> scorch > > >Yeah, I've got the same problem. It is irritating that the console is a >fairly small window and I have to use the scrollbars to see the entire >page... >John Majka >flossbac at nlci.com >http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 17 15:52:17 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:52:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering Message-ID: > Is "Too Hip for the Room" a BOC cover band? I know they put out at > least one > CD of covers. Supposedly the covers varied greatly in style from the > originals, but other people here know a lot more about it than I do. > Maybe > it's in the latest edition of the FAQ? > THFTR is not an official "BOC cover band", but they have done a "BOC tribute" CD. There is a fair amount of info on what they cover on their CD in the latest version of the FAQ (http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman). Stylistically, most of these songs don't sound like the BOC originals - everything is acoustic, much of it is humorous, and a lot of it is clever (imagine singing the lyrics to "Fire of Unknown Origin" over the music of "O.D.'d on Life Itself" - weird, but it works). It's not what you would think of as a real "tribute album" - that is, lots of bands giving their take on various BOC songs, but it is well done and interesting. Also, Buck, Eric, and Danny Miranda (among others) participate on this project. John From Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU Fri Nov 17 16:22:45 2000 From: Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:22:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live concert online Message-ID: I just came across this for those that are interested. Sound/Video quality is very good on the 300K Broadband stream. http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/000505blueoystercult/ Joe From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 16:26:14 2000 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:26:14 EST Subject: BOC: Cover Band Pondering Message-ID: One BOC Cover Band is Soft White Understudy, featuring Bolle and Melne and a host of special guests. They performed at last year's "Last Days Of May" BOC BBQ in San Pedro, CA and also a number of years back. They fancy playing rarely played BOC tunes such as Tattoo Vampire. chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 16:44:02 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:44:02 -0600 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In a message dated 11/17/00 6:04:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, >deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > >> THE DEVIL was there and he >> was pleased.......even with HUW, cause he's so cool..... >> >> Would someone repost just what the deal was with him....as I thought he'd >> just tipped the champagne bottle(ok by me)(given the nerves on an event of >> this spectrum...not to mention the party) interested in why he was off if >> this wasn't the case as I saw a mention of it before......*out* >> > >been thinking about this... >perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) where >Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck really! I just hope Huw is OK!, because Texans here take kindly to that excellent note bending.....HUW...your a huge star in Texas and I'm really not kidding.....you would love the things I have heard said about you from my countrymen over the years!!! HUW--(or some good gentleman tell him PLEASE)....strap on and squeeze into the "Cool" pants (that reflect--) catch a little buzz and stash the rest of the MOUND of Ale in the fridge until after the gig...when I can come over and get real drunk ,..praise you until your annoyed, and leave having bought a couple test-presses, posters, and a photo or 2.... COME ON HUW! STRAP THAT F#CKER ON, hire pogle or whoever to get you a unique flash going....and peel our brains.....ROCK HARD ROCK PROUD ROCK FREE...... and please issue something new every week, take my credit card #, and supply me until I'm dead!!! AND DAVE......of course that Silly Devil is me.....I crammed my sig. too close in case that read wrong.. I'll try to restrain my fingers for a while, and go organize paying back some of the debts I have with you guys.....*late* Mikey From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Fri Nov 17 17:42:13 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:42:13 -0700 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: Talk about spam... this is really getting out of hand, folks. Could we focus back on BOC, please ? This is getting way silly. Thanks. Alex. At 11:04 17/11/00 -0000, you wrote: >> Michael Blackman writes: >> >> > > > > > I demand a recount! >> > > >> > > > by hand? >> > > >> > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. >> >> > Blind Drunk our blind eyes >> >> Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be >> Master of the Universe. > >I think Sam Fox beat you to it... > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > --------------------------------------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] www.milomail.com/com/mv.html [mailing-list] Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net --------------------------------------------------- From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 17 17:47:41 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:47:41 +0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: <001b01c050d1$f73f94a0$c16040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, flossbac wrote: > > The thing that's bothering me about the site is that the java console > > that gets launched is too small for the content it's displaying. There's > > no way to resize it and using the scrollbars just to see the page is > > just a pain. Please let us see the site in a normal browser window? > > > > Other than that, way cool..... > > scorch > > > Yeah, I've got the same problem. It is irritating that the console is a > fairly small window and I have to use the scrollbars to see the entire > page... Whereas I can't view it at all,m never mind any irritations like that From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 18:46:28 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:46:28 EST Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 5:59:31 AM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more exciting! Yours Dave Brock >> Dear Dave, That gig was a dream come true for the fans. Whatever imperfections any of the typically hypercritical critics on this list have noted are dwarfed by the beautiful overall energy and musical peaks of the evening. And I'm certainly going to make that transatlantic trip again after Christmas to see what what you've got up your sleeve for the Astoria. Cheers and thanks for coming through so strong for the fans here at the dawn of this new millenium. All the best to you, and Kris, and all the above mentioned hyper critical people, (you know who you are), and especially Jon Jarrett who I think was as happy as a kid in a candy store at Brixton as I was. Love and peace, Eli Friedman From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 18:56:42 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:26:42 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: to qoute a famous scientist of the future... dr cornelius smith oh the pain......the pain of it all still seeking a miracle Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > XXX wrote: > > > Hello FolksReading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say > > that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. > > It was an enjoyable event nonetheless. I wouldn't have missed it for > anything. > > > I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different > > and much more exciting! > > I can't wait! > > cheers, > > Keef From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 18:58:32 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:28:32 +1030 Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy Message-ID: before i fell asleep last night i had a vision of doing a interview style chat with with baron brock and others - that would be cool thanks for stopping by!!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill & Cynthia To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Electric Tepee gets groovy Excellent site Michael. We'll have to organise a chat so everyone can join in. Cheers Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy Hi Check out the newly added Beehive photos also theres a new chat room available 8>) http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee.htm Check it out Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 19:31:14 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:01:14 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: >> > perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) where > Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck Tell me more, please... Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 6:46 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > In a message dated 11/17/00 6:04:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, > deltawave at METRONET.COM writes: > > > THE DEVIL was there and he > > was pleased.......even with HUW, cause he's so cool..... > > > > Would someone repost just what the deal was with him....as I thought he'd > > just tipped the champagne bottle(ok by me)(given the nerves on an event of > > this spectrum...not to mention the party) interested in why he was off if > > this wasn't the case as I saw a mention of it before......*out* > > > > been thinking about this... > perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) where > Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 19:37:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:07:12 +1030 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: Sorry dude for my part in that SILLY moment I am deeply sorry and would like to apologise. However I have never seen blind dwarves getting blind drunk and participating in election vote counting. it was an interesting thought - even if it was politicaly incorrect. Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex S. Garcia To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: Re: VH1 > Talk about spam... this is really getting out of hand, folks. Could we focus > back on BOC, please ? This is getting way silly. Thanks. > > > Alex. > > > At 11:04 17/11/00 -0000, you wrote: > >> Michael Blackman writes: > >> > >> > > > > > I demand a recount! > >> > > > >> > > > by hand? > >> > > > >> > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > >> > >> > Blind Drunk our blind eyes > >> > >> Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be > >> Master of the Universe. > > > >I think Sam Fox beat you to it... > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------------------------- > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm > Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database] > www.milomail.com/com/mv.html [mailing-list] > Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net > --------------------------------------------------- From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 19:39:29 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:09:29 +1030 Subject: Brixton Rocked....Brixton Rocked....Brixton Rocked.... Message-ID: What more can I say??????? {{{ }}} BRIXTON ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Fri Nov 17 20:10:36 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:10:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid In-Reply-To: <00bb01c050f6$dca435e0$22d0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: >>> > perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) >where >> Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck > >Tell me more, please... > >Mb > This is the story roughly as told to me by Huw and his wife Marion earlier this year. During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the gates to the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a bottle of 'apple juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. Huw Lloyd Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. No laughing matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was hospitalised and did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so high that it took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. One does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a person. melvyn From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 17 10:23:03 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:23:03 -0000 Subject: OFF: Just, er, off generally. Message-ID: It's my birthday, and I'm half pissed already. :-) Cheers, Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 20:13:07 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:13:07 -0600 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <00bb01c050f6$dca435e0$22d0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: Michael Blackman asks regarding Huw-freak -out: >Tell me more, please... > >Mb > > hello Michael.....hows it going? haven't forgot you either....I'm >commin' back for my sh*t eventually!!!!! since it's damned nuissance day from me.....I'll add the little I know......someoone spiked his drink with acid and he freaked totally and ended up on his knees onstage praying to the acid gods to let him stop seeing the eyes. the eyes, everything looks like eyes, and faces, gaunt thin faces AHHHHHHH, the faces.....NO....but anyway, he freaked, ended up on his knees praying whilst astage, and the audience loved it and thought it was part of the act. The end. happy ending ever-after..... Doug?? anyone?? More??? Please??? Micky DC From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 20:19:51 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:19:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>>> > perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) >>where >>> Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck >> >>Tell me more, please... >> >>Mb >> >This is the story roughly as told to me by Huw and his wife Marion earlier >this year. > >During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the gates to >the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a bottle of 'apple >juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. >Huw Lloyd Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been >spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. >No laughing matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was >hospitalised and did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so >high that it took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. >One does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a >person. > >melvyn there is no known overdose to LSD ....only minds that snap, and lame speedy effects from people whom do not take the time to properly synthesize LSD....most do not.....my understanding is that the last year true clean LSD was actually making the rounds in USA with any real frequency was 1974..... VERY informative about HUW, Melvyn...thank you.....I wouldn't want to be in that position....I'd end up snapping as well.........mdc (already did?) From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 20:46:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:16:04 +1030 Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid Message-ID: That 'person' should have been beaten sensless - what a stupid thing to do grrrrrrrr Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Melvyn Vincent To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Re: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid > >>> > perhaps it was meant to be a reprise of the '70 gig (Isle of Wight??) > >where > >> Huw freaked out on acid...you know, that whole "retro" thing... :) Chuck > > > >Tell me more, please... > > > >Mb > > > This is the story roughly as told to me by Huw and his wife Marion earlier > this year. > > During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the gates to > the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a bottle of 'apple > juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. > Huw Lloyd Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been > spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. > No laughing matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was > hospitalised and did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so > high that it took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. > One does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a person. > > melvyn > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 20:48:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:18:12 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Thanks all Bad karma for the person that spiked the juice and did not mention it eeeks Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Coleman To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 11:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > Michael Blackman asks regarding Huw-freak -out: > > > > >Tell me more, please... > > > >Mb > > > > hello Michael.....hows it going? haven't forgot you either....I'm > >commin' back for my sh*t eventually!!!!! > > since it's damned nuissance day from me.....I'll add the little I > know......someoone spiked his drink with acid and he freaked totally and > ended up on his knees onstage praying to the acid gods to let him stop > seeing the eyes. the eyes, everything looks like eyes, and faces, gaunt > thin faces AHHHHHHH, the faces.....NO....but anyway, he freaked, ended up > on his knees praying whilst astage, and the audience loved it and thought > it was part of the act. The end. happy ending ever-after..... > > Doug?? anyone?? More??? Please??? > > Micky DC > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 20:48:27 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:18:27 +1030 Subject: OFF: Just, er, off generally. Message-ID: Happy Birthday Bros Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:53 AM Subject: OFF: Just, er, off generally. > It's my birthday, and I'm half pissed already. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 17 20:59:09 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:29:09 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: > to qoute a famous scientist of the future... dr cornelius smith > > oh the pain......the pain of it all > > still seeking a miracle > > Mb The above message is in reagrds to maybe not getting to the Xmas party Not Brixton Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > to qoute a famous scientist of the future... dr cornelius smith > > oh the pain......the pain of it all > > still seeking a miracle > > Mb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Barton > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > > > > XXX wrote: > > > > > Hello FolksReading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say > > > that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. > > > > It was an enjoyable event nonetheless. I wouldn't have missed it for > > anything. > > > > > I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different > > > and much more exciting! > > > > I can't wait! > > > > cheers, > > > > Keef > From deltawave at METRONET.COM Fri Nov 17 21:02:47 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:02:47 -0600 Subject: HW:SWIRLING MIST OF ACID FOGG AND THE BARON BRAVE BROCK Message-ID: Michael B., Melvyn, interested Huw-freak-outters, etc: hope I don't get flamed....but...Michael B... someone did it to me(in a beer)....and deny it to this day...thought they were doing me a favor no doubt......it was a "sliver" I'm sure, but it was awful... NOT FUN...much better to know when your dropping.....this , I can easily see, could make the difference between "Click", and "No Click" anybody ever notice the weird effect you can get just by being in a room with tripping people..."contact high"...."uncharted brain effects"???? From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 21:01:50 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:01:50 EST Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 5:07:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, mel at MVA.U-NET.COM writes: > During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the gates to > the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a bottle of 'apple > juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. > Huw Lloyd Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been > spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. > No laughing matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was > hospitalised and did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so > high that it took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. > One does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a > person. > > melvyn JAYsus!! I didn't know it was all _that_ serious! I revoke my joke. Sorry, Huw. Glad you recovered. Charles Hugh Rosenberg From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 21:05:33 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:05:33 EST Subject: OFF: Just, er, off generally. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 5:12:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > It's my birthday, and I'm half pissed already. > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. Yup, I generally get very pissed off on my b-day, too. Another year... :) (American) Chuck NP: Amanita--"For John Coltrane" (god, this rules) From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 17 12:10:34 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:10:34 -0000 Subject: Browser rant. Message-ID: > And the idea that I > have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please > don't bother with that suggeston.... > Sorry - can't let this one go... Browsers are free you know - either download the latest version, or get one off a CD on the front of just about any magazine. Web designers and coders get really fecked off with this "I can't be arsed to update my browser / install Flash / get off my own arse" attitude y'know... If the luddites had their way we'd all be looking at grey backgrounds, no images, Times Roman text, and blue underlined hyperlink text. And don't fob me off with the "a significant proportion of users are still using level 3 browsers" argument. 3% isn't significant, it's an error margin. At the very least you should be using the latest version of your preferred browser less one. Rant over. :-) Hmph. Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri Nov 17 22:05:25 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:05:25 -0500 Subject: Browser rant. In-Reply-To: <196b01c050b9$4cf12da0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Right on. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:11 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Browser rant. > And the idea that I > have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please > don't bother with that suggeston.... > Sorry - can't let this one go... Browsers are free you know - either download the latest version, or get one off a CD on the front of just about any magazine. Web designers and coders get really fecked off with this "I can't be arsed to update my browser / install Flash / get off my own arse" attitude y'know... If the luddites had their way we'd all be looking at grey backgrounds, no images, Times Roman text, and blue underlined hyperlink text. And don't fob me off with the "a significant proportion of users are still using level 3 browsers" argument. 3% isn't significant, it's an error margin. At the very least you should be using the latest version of your preferred browser less one. Rant over. :-) Hmph. Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Fri Nov 17 21:28:58 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:28:58 +1300 Subject: SWIRLING MIST OF ACID FOGG AND THE BARON BRAVE BROCK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > anybody ever notice the weird effect you can get just by being in a room with tripping people..."contact high"...."uncharted brain effects"???? Most definitely. There is still alot we don't know and understand about how our thought processes inter-exchange with each other. The difference is highly marked between being in a city where you have all these brain patterns swirling around and being out in the countryside where there are less people and so it gives the brain more room to think without being influenced by other brain waves. I lived and worked on farms for 17 years and the best part of the whole day was early in the morning at around 5 am bringing a herd of cows in for milking. The thought patterns were incredibly clear at that time of day and were even more heightened if I'd had a good smoke the night before. You need to clear your brain out from time to time and I strongly recommend some time out in the country where you can clean out the cobwebs and polluted brainwaves. Richard Cranium Music From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 00:12:07 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:12:07 EST Subject: OFF: a lesser side of [napster] and other grumbles. Message-ID: well, it's friday night, so i figure i'd crank up the napster, while having some laundry and dubbing a bid for the daughter of an old friend. i had an eclectic brew downloading: *sing sing sing - BENNY GOODMAN (a very long version) *tv eye - THE STOOGES (yeah yeah, i have it on an old cassette) *stewball - PETER PAUL & MARY (my mom had this album when i was a kid) *Tennessee birdwalk - BLANCHARD & ...um... (silly kinda country song circa. 1970) and, heh, as it had been discussed here on the board recently...wait for it... *chirpy chirpy cheep cheep - MIDDLE OF THE ROAD the kind of song i could play once and trash... = so i punched 'em all in, still unable to get proper versions of 'get away' by flipper and harry belafonte's 'zombie jamboree', which had previously been incomplete or 'error -40'. and i looked in vain for the long live 'house of the rising' sun, mastuh theo...coulda sworn i had seen a 9 minute version awhile back as i prepared to return to the vid i was dubbing, i received what looked like a napster 'instant message', apparently from the napsterite from whom i had selected 'chirpy x2 cheep x2'. i didnt know that was a feature of napster. i didnt wish to be rude, so i answered a few brilliant questions like 'have you heard of bill haley, danny &the juniors, do you like elvis, etc etc'. but after uneasily answering a standard AOL chat room 'age/sex/location' question, i politely excused myself and finished up that vid. the mp3 download could percolate on its own. so. when i returned to check on the downloads, there was a small clump of those 'instant messages' waiting for me. 'you nasty c*nt' 'you f*cking hippy' 'i bet you like boys' and the download of 'chirpyx2 cheepx2' read 'failed', suggesting to me that the messenger had gone offline...oh well, i'll have to snag it some other decade. the download of 'sing sing sing' took app. 2 hrs; as i waited i watched the end of that _godawful_ '100 best hard rock bands' special. nothing like historical sub-revisionism with a bunch of used-to-be's providing commentary. (well, okay, there was one or two sentences from lemmy re: metallica). had hawkwind been on that list? the list was at #15 when i started watching. i've gotta envy those blokes downloading their mp3s w/cable connexions =zip!!= i have learned that napster can be very discouraging. oh well, the music is free; at least until it's not free, at which point i'm an ex-napsterite. i'll be away from the machine here from sunday to the following monday, visiting my sister in richmond, va. i'll be well-fed, and well _baked_ too. oh please...heh... dont y'all miss me all at once. "<>" From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 18 01:16:28 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:16:28 -0600 Subject: HW: QUATERMASS(sp?)-TAKE 3 pictures Message-ID: stopped reading posts-shut off computer-...did not work... emerge from beer leftovers(NOT EVEN done)...to say.... In case my candid nature caused locomotion, or even laughter, laughter,hahahahaha..... I am "THE ONE", who watches "THEM", who inturn watch "THEY", who are then retrospectively checking out "THE WIND". whom are watching "YOU"....and therefore I know exactly what time it is always, Hours are the time I lie..... You can all nestle safely in your cocoons(sp?)...... Now that I am badly in need of a return to my next "WEIRD" experience and "Heineken" (what it's all about) .... I might as well go on and say that I would have felt I got a bargain if the version of "Space Travellers" pressed into a one-sided 45 RPM 7" was all I received for the total cost of the entire weird tapes....... Now I just need a 180 gram vinyl("Church Of") "Enhanced" LP with the original WEIRD version added(in)...... 3 names, 7 letters From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 18 01:58:03 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:28:03 +1030 Subject: HW:SWIRLING MIST OF ACID FOGG AND THE BARON BRAVE BROCK Message-ID: > anybody ever notice the weird effect you can get just by being in a room > with tripping people..."contact high"...."uncharted brain effects"???? Ya - experienced that one particular time at a folk club when a group of freaks (i'm talking cool freaks here) walked in and sat at a table next to us. it was like you could practically hear the little pixies angels and little devils all having a party in their minds..... ever been on a trip where everyone has the same hallucination without any provocation? Hey lets all share some memoirs here ..... if we get enough maybe we can write a book and I can get to Astoria after all....... (te hee) :) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Coleman To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: HW:SWIRLING MIST OF ACID FOGG AND THE BARON BRAVE BROCK > Michael B., Melvyn, interested Huw-freak-outters, etc: > > > > hope I don't get flamed....but...Michael B... > > someone did it to me(in a beer)....and deny it to this day...thought they > were doing me a favor no doubt......it was a "sliver" I'm sure, but it was > awful... > NOT FUN...much better to know when your dropping.....this , I can easily > see, could make the difference between "Click", and "No Click" > > anybody ever notice the weird effect you can get just by being in a room > with tripping people..."contact high"...."uncharted brain effects"???? From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 18 02:00:17 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:30:17 +1030 Subject: Browser rant. Message-ID: Yaaaaa baaaby ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:40 AM Subject: Browser rant. > > And the idea that I > > have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please > > don't bother with that suggeston.... > > > > > Sorry - can't let this one go... Browsers are free you know - either > download the latest version, or get one off a CD on the front of just about > any magazine. Web designers and coders get really fecked off with this "I > can't be arsed to update my browser / install Flash / get off my own arse" > attitude y'know... > > If the luddites had their way we'd all be looking at grey backgrounds, no > images, Times Roman text, and blue underlined hyperlink text. > > And don't fob me off with the "a significant proportion of users are still > using level 3 browsers" argument. 3% isn't significant, it's an error > margin. > > At the very least you should be using the latest version of your preferred > browser less one. > > Rant over. :-) > > Hmph. > > Rich. > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 18 06:29:21 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:29:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells Message-ID: Steve Swindells, excellent. I've always preferred his, original, version of Shot Down In the Night (and I loved Hawkwind's). He was a bloody revelation at Brixton. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 18 06:11:10 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:11:10 -0000 Subject: Hotels near Astoria? Message-ID: There are a whole stack in the Bloomsbury area from cheapos to 5 star, about ten minutes from the Astoria. I stayed there for the Brixton gig. Pretty handy for the British Museum, probably the best place to visit in London - I always try to get there when I am in town. Check out the Egyptian rooms (Xitintoday on the 'phones and yer away). Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 November 2000 17:20 Subject: Hotels near Astoria? >Anyone got any tips for where to look for somewhere to stay on December >29th? > >FoFP > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 18 06:23:23 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:23:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Brixton - no apologies required Message-ID: Okay, so there were some rough patches, okay so some us prefer some vocalists over others, and some ex-members weren't there. That's symptomatic of a band like Hawkwind with so many exmembers. Personally it was the most enjoyable Hawkwind gig I've been to. Standing a few feet away from the stage, IT WAS AWESOME. The spirit was really there and the audience were going for it. So no apologies are required. We can nitpick to doomsday about aspects of it. What's the point? Personally I would the entire show if it were released. 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Message-ID: wasn't that part of the attraction with early hawkwind? The fact that you couldn't gurantee all the band members to be in tip top condition when playing live? I mean when you saw them live there would be a good chance that one of them at least would be really out of it? I mean in an interview with lemmy he said that sometimes certain members of the band were so out of it they had have have roadies holding them up during the gig!! Anyway beside all that i really enjoyed the gig. When i was down the front i almost pinched myself becaue i kept thinking that this was too good to be true and that i might be dreaming it!!! I just wonder though was it because adrian shaw wasn't there that the hawkestra didn't play much charisma material? That was the only downside of the gig i suppose. I would have loved to hear steppenwolf, reefer madness and my all time fav damnation alley. Yes i know we got a rousing spirit of the age but that just left me wanting more. colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 November 2000 11:03 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Hello Folks Reading all your reviews of Hawkestra. I can honestly say that some of the so called stars did not deliver the goods. I sincerely hope that the Christmas party will be totally different and much more exciting! Yours Dave Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 08:38:04 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:38:04 EST Subject: OFF: vh1....whatever Message-ID: In a message dated 11/17/00 9:37:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > had > hawkwind been on that list? the list was at #15 when i started watching. > > no; but 'hard rock' legends like the stones, janis, zappa, and the kinks were. and the reason the show's commentatores were all 'used to be's is that hard rock per se...er...used to be! i think bobm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hw at CY-B.ORG Sat Nov 18 08:50:56 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:50:56 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: Just to update on all the MC site stuff on the thread..... The site attempts to be as cutting edge as possibe without excluding those who still connect using old tin cans with valves in for computers. As such there will always be certain compromises, but there are grillions of parseing and filtering routines that sort out the wheat from the chaff. (Which is why the site has different features for Netscrape and IE users - there are pages that are coded to maximise each browser's unique features) And yes... the latest browsers are free, and available on cd's nailed to the front most computer/net mags. Why not try both of the main two? Once they are both installed and you can even open both together and switch between them.... (sorry to state the obvious, but most folks don't realise that you *don't* have to stick with the browser bundled with their ISP's software) But, the net being the net, there are hundreds of combinations of platform, op system and browser.. so while not everyone (about 2%) will get the full picture, they'll at least get something, even if it's only the vital info..... Currently the site is tested on PC and Mac, using versions 3.0+ of Netscrape, Internet Excuse, Opera, NeoPlanet and a few others. We even test the stuff above on W95,W98,Linux and Mac system 7+ where available, and have routines that baypass pages that may crash your browser if you have an unusual or 'unknown' combination. Yeah... certainly a fast machine with the latest browsers will get you all the whizbangs, but like I said, it should be reverse engineered enough for anyone with even the most basic setup to access most stuff... In a perfect world, you will need at least a 28k modem, a decent graphics card and monitor and have CSS, Java and JavaScript enabled. For some stuff, RealAudio is necessary, but this is built in to later browsers as is the flash player. The Quicktime plugin would also be a bonus. The server ping times for www.hawkwind.org.uk should be way quick as it is hosted close to the national backbone - if you have probs, do a traceroute to show server hops from your location to see where the problem really lies. (if you need a small traceroute prog mail me direct at hw at cy-b.org) otherwise use the full hw hosted URL to access the site: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ As for the console, why not just maximise it to full screen size like intended? (Netcape does this automatically) AOL users may find peculiar results here as their browser acts more like a virus than a page viewer. BTW the console is not java, it's just an HTML page with the controls turned off so we can use our own... The console is also about going on a journey.... entering and leaving Hawkwind timespace rather than hopping onto a regular page like anywhere else on the net..... BUT please mail any comments, suggestions problems and thoughts to hw at cy-b.org direct, rather than use the BOC list and we can deal with each one individually. Plese include Platform (PC/MAC) Op System (W95/98/NT Linux etc.) Processor speed and RAM would be nice too... A feedback and diagnostic page will be up on the site soon too. Out of interest, we had the site up on an aincent Amiga last week, although the Sinclair ZX81 struggled a bit.... Apologies to the list for the length of this mail, but it was the best way of getting this stuff said :} Rx From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Sat Nov 18 10:11:34 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:11:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Brian Halligan wrote: > > "(Don't Fear the) Reaper" made a small but important appearance in the > > online comic Clan of the Cats - July 9 1999 > > > > http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html > > That seemed like some decent PR for the band. Does the cartoonist normally > drop band names in the strip since it's about DJs? Or do they usually stick > to situations outside the booth? It's not about DJ's. One of the characters is an on and off again DJ, but it's about a were panther who happens to be a witch. It's one of my daily reads.. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 18 10:32:45 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:32:45 -0500 Subject: Browser rant. In-Reply-To: <196b01c050b9$4cf12da0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: => Sorry - can't let this one go... Browsers are free you know - either => download the latest version, or get one off a CD on the front of just about => any magazine. Web designers and coders get really fecked off with this "I => can't be arsed to update my browser / install Flash / get off my own arse" => attitude y'know... Then Web designers are stupid, I'm afraid. If they require even a modicum of effort of their audience to view the fruits of their labours, then that audience will go elsewhere. It's not as if there aren't zillions of other sites vying for those eyeballs. I know plenty of people who will simply go elsewhere if a site is "taking too long to load..." => If the luddites had their way we'd all be looking at grey backgrounds, no => images, Times Roman text, and blue underlined hyperlink text. But it would be a big step up if you could read the information vs. not being able to read it. (The medium is not the message.) It is not a simplistic matter of "luddites." Do you imagine everyone has control over their hardware? The librarians in our local library would take a dim view of someone trying to install the latest software on their public-access terminals. Ditto for computer labs at schools and colleges. Those who manage large collections of PCs (such as in a company setting) also often "lock down" those PCs to prevent individual users from screwing them up by installing sundry items. I once spoke with a Webmaster who managed a WWW site at the Vetinary Medicine College here at Virginia Tech. Because it was an FDA site, it had to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act, and so she had to make sure the site was navigable via the lynx [text-only] browser to keep the right side of the law. Any site trying to comply with the ADA will have to provide a simple text-only portion of the site, for use with screen readers, etc. Shockwave and Flash may get Web designers all excited, but it just leaves sight-impaired readers cold, I'm afraid. => And don't fob me off with the "a significant proportion of users are still => using level 3 browsers" argument. 3% isn't significant, it's an error => margin. Most responsible sites I encounter provide a "text only" link to the content, so that even the most basic setup (even a lynx browser on old hardware in schools and libraries) can read the information they provide. They realise that often that "error margin" 3% can be a very vocal 3%, and it is easier to provide such a link than to have themselves badmouthed over the Internet for providing a "crappy site" by a strident few. (It is also, as I said, more accommodating to users with disabilities, which may be a legal requirement for state-funded agencies.) => At the very least you should be using the latest version of your preferred => browser less one. But what if you *are* meeting that requirement, and the site is still a pain to read? I hardly check the "Mission Control" WWW page, because it is so much faff on to get to the information quickly. IMHO, that's bad site design. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 18 10:40:27 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:40:27 +0000 Subject: OFF : Ticketweb / Cope Message-ID: after the queuing twice fun at Brixton because of the "confirmations" rather than actual tix from Ticketweb, I find my Julian Cope Tickets were circle seated, rather than downstairs standing. There was nothing on the website about there being any different tickets available and we were sent 4 shit seats at the back for seventy quid, despite ordering them as soon as they went on sale. So nuts to Ticketweb, I'm not ordering off them at all. To anyone who saw Julian Cope last night at the Empire, sorry for being so drunk. -- Jon From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 18 10:51:07 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:51:07 -0600 Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue Message-ID: Out of bed.....8 Heinekens later, bushy tailed but not bright eyed.....headache damn close to clear... have this to say..... In Search Of Space Vinyl has arrived to bless those of us into needle use...... ....(styli), It is issued on 180 gram vinyl, has been electronically enhanced, plays like a CD.....(Don't have my 2 copys yet) but my homeboys (bad joke..sorry) Wilfried and Pierre assure me that playback is likened to the "Landing Zone" on the website......and then it has the added feature of "Blasting off" as well.... you can order it direct if you like from WWW.simplyvinyl.co.uk/......... The label is Simply Vinyl......(WAY TO GO GUYS........Now please pay Dave Brock heavily, so we get the 1999 party 2LP...that was a sin against the aliens that protect you from asteroid destruction, that it was never released....and my MUCH WANTED CHURCH LP with Space Travellers (Please Dave...Please),,,,,, And upon my listen to three of the Weird CD's last night.... Go out and buy top of the line surround processers that let you crank it.... These are enhanced ...........Use this weekend for all it's worth....RUN IN A MAD DASH TO CLEAN YOUR LOCAL SHOPS DRY!!!....buy as many copys of each as they have.... he who gets the most copys...WINS... you'll need them for trading purposes later...... mike "x in search of" --- From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Nov 18 12:53:20 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:53:20 -0000 Subject: Huw and Hawkwind Message-ID: with all this talk about huw llyold langton has anyone got any pictures of him with hawkwind when he was first with them in the early seventies? colm From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 18 14:57:06 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:57:06 +0000 Subject: Browser rant. In-Reply-To: <196b01c050b9$4cf12da0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > And the idea that I > > have to update my browser to read anything doesn't sit too well, so please > > don't bother with that suggeston.... > > Sorry - can't let this one go... Browsers are free you know - either > download the latest version, or get one off a CD on the front of just about > any magazine. Web designers and coders get really fecked off with this "I > can't be arsed to update my browser / install Flash / get off my own arse" > attitude y'know... Browsers are free, the processor, hard disk and memory to contain and support them are not. So if you, as a web designer, want me to use the latest browser, but me a new computer. Otherwise put up with me using Netscape 3 Gold. > If the luddites had their way we'd all be looking at grey backgrounds, no > images, Times Roman text, and blue underlined hyperlink text. > > And don't fob me off with the "a significant proportion of users are still > using level 3 browsers" argument. 3% isn't significant, it's an error > margin. Look, the point of a website is twofold. It's a publicity tool so it's nice if it looks nice and is easy to use, yes, fine. It's also designed to convey information and if it doesn't do that to everyone possible it's failing. Maybe not by any margin that matters to you, but failing it is. > At the very least you should be using the latest version of your preferred > browser less one. That (Netscape 5) never happened, and I haven't enough hard disk or memory to make 4.7 anything other than a near total system liability. Neither have I currently got the money to buy more memory or hard disk. If I had I'd be spending it on CDs. > Rant over. :-) > > Hmph. Yeh, likewise. Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From novadrive at HOME.COM Sat Nov 18 15:16:23 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:16:23 -0700 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: <200011181350.IAA27768@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hey, I thought the spirit of Hawkwind was barbarians not KNOWING how to use their technology properly! KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Rik Rx Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 6:51 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Just to update on all the MC site stuff on the thread..... The site attempts to be as cutting edge as possibe without excluding those who still connect using old tin cans with valves in for computers. As such there will always be certain compromises, but there are grillions of parseing and filtering routines that sort out the wheat from the chaff. (Which is why the site has different features for Netscrape and IE users - there are pages that are coded to maximise each browser's unique features) And yes... the latest browsers are free, and available on cd's nailed to the front most computer/net mags. Why not try both of the main two? Once they are both installed and you can even open both together and switch between them.... (sorry to state the obvious, but most folks don't realise that you *don't* have to stick with the browser bundled with their ISP's software) But, the net being the net, there are hundreds of combinations of platform, op system and browser.. so while not everyone (about 2%) will get the full picture, they'll at least get something, even if it's only the vital info..... Currently the site is tested on PC and Mac, using versions 3.0+ of Netscrape, Internet Excuse, Opera, NeoPlanet and a few others. We even test the stuff above on W95,W98,Linux and Mac system 7+ where available, and have routines that baypass pages that may crash your browser if you have an unusual or 'unknown' combination. Yeah... certainly a fast machine with the latest browsers will get you all the whizbangs, but like I said, it should be reverse engineered enough for anyone with even the most basic setup to access most stuff... In a perfect world, you will need at least a 28k modem, a decent graphics card and monitor and have CSS, Java and JavaScript enabled. For some stuff, RealAudio is necessary, but this is built in to later browsers as is the flash player. The Quicktime plugin would also be a bonus. The server ping times for www.hawkwind.org.uk should be way quick as it is hosted close to the national backbone - if you have probs, do a traceroute to show server hops from your location to see where the problem really lies. (if you need a small traceroute prog mail me direct at hw at cy-b.org) otherwise use the full hw hosted URL to access the site: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ As for the console, why not just maximise it to full screen size like intended? (Netcape does this automatically) AOL users may find peculiar results here as their browser acts more like a virus than a page viewer. BTW the console is not java, it's just an HTML page with the controls turned off so we can use our own... The console is also about going on a journey.... entering and leaving Hawkwind timespace rather than hopping onto a regular page like anywhere else on the net..... BUT please mail any comments, suggestions problems and thoughts to hw at cy-b.org direct, rather than use the BOC list and we can deal with each one individually. Plese include Platform (PC/MAC) Op System (W95/98/NT Linux etc.) Processor speed and RAM would be nice too... A feedback and diagnostic page will be up on the site soon too. Out of interest, we had the site up on an aincent Amiga last week, although the Sinclair ZX81 struggled a bit.... Apologies to the list for the length of this mail, but it was the best way of getting this stuff said :} Rx From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 16:48:13 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:48:13 EST Subject: Browser rant. Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/00 2:57:29 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << That (Netscape 5) never happened >> gentlemen: #5 never happened[?] but i have #6 waiting for me to get off my arse and kick it in. currently available at their page online... "<>" From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 18 17:52:13 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:52:13 -0000 Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue Message-ID: If you don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with Simply Vinyl, CDS will have it in stock on Tueday. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Coleman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > Out of bed.....8 Heinekens later, bushy tailed but not bright > eyed.....headache damn close to clear... > > have this to say..... > > In Search Of Space Vinyl has arrived to bless those of us into needle > use...... ....(styli), > > It is issued on 180 gram vinyl, has been electronically enhanced, plays > like a CD.....(Don't have my 2 copys yet) but my homeboys (bad joke..sorry) > Wilfried and Pierre assure me that playback is likened to the "Landing > Zone" on the website......and then it has the added feature of "Blasting > off" as well.... > > you can order it direct if you like from WWW.simplyvinyl.co.uk/......... > > The label is Simply Vinyl......(WAY TO GO GUYS........Now please pay Dave > Brock heavily, so we get the 1999 party 2LP...that was a sin against the > aliens that protect you from asteroid destruction, that it was never > released....and my MUCH WANTED CHURCH LP with Space Travellers (Please > Dave...Please),,,,,, > > And upon my listen to three of the Weird CD's last night.... > > Go out and buy top of the line surround processers that let you crank it.... > > > These are enhanced ...........Use this weekend for all it's worth....RUN IN > A MAD DASH TO CLEAN YOUR LOCAL SHOPS DRY!!!....buy as many copys of each as > they have.... > > he who gets the most copys...WINS... > > you'll need them for trading purposes later...... > > mike "x in search of" --- From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 18 17:59:05 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:59:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: vh1....whatever Message-ID: No - hard rock is alive and well, right here and right now if you know where to look. The case for the defence rests initially with.........NATIVE CAIN!!!! Go find 'em. Then ask for more...... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: Re: OFF: vh1....whatever In a message dated 11/17/00 9:37:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: had hawkwind been on that list? the list was at #15 when i started watching. no; but 'hard rock' legends like the stones, janis, zappa, and the kinks were. and the reason the show's commentatores were all 'used to be's is that hard rock per se...er...used to be! i think bobm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Sat Nov 18 18:17:20 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:17:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Faust Message-ID: This may be of interest to some (from www.forcedexposure.com): RECOMMENDED (UK): FAUST: The Wumme Years: 1970-1973 5CD (RER FB1). "The ultimate collection from the legendary inventors of krautrock. This 5 CD set contains all Faust's early classic albums, a John Peel session, and unreleased early material. The 40 page booklet is stuffed with unpublished photos, stills from Super 8 footage from the famous studio at Wumme, and revealing interviews with many of the key players in the Faust story. CDs: Faust (the famous clear first album), So Far (the famous black second album), The Faust Tapes (for the first time ever with a track listing), 71 Minutes (The Last LP and Munic and Elsewhere LPs), BBC Sessions (classic radio session plus substantial extra material). Interviews include band members Jean Herve Peron and Jochen Irmler, with a memoir from Blegvad. Reclusive producer Uwe Nettlebeck and legendary sound engineer Kurt Graupner speak here for the first time. Many of the photos illustrating the book are from private collections, and have never been published." This box set is a limited edition and it's long term availability is not likely. The enclosed albums will be available as individual CDs in the future, but the booklet is exclusive to this box set. $65.00 -- Andy www.andygilham.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sat Nov 18 19:00:00 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:00:00 -0600 Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue In-Reply-To: <010901c051b3$98bea280$b29cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >If you don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with Simply Vinyl, CDS >will have it in stock on Tueday. >Andy Garibaldi Look...I know I'm just making a computer jackass out of myself as always, and it's obvious I have no life....just a KILLER collection (yes John Gray, I'll send your Jap Urb) BUT....apologies to Ande.......SIMPLY VINYL never bothered to thank me for the Rant and Rave I gave them....not to mention THE DEVIL'S perfect advice (NOTTT SATANNN...big diff)......so everybody (fun suggestion) follow my lead if you can afford it, give Andy any credit card numbers your mom dad you whoever has.....kick back, and let the goods roll in....but ANDY....My copy comes first.....(then ELI's....just kiddin friendly Eli....) . . >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Coleman" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:51 PM >Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > > >> Out of bed.....8 Heinekens later, bushy tailed but not bright >> eyed.....headache damn close to clear... >> >> have this to say..... >> >> In Search Of Space Vinyl has arrived to bless those of us into needle >> use...... ....(styli), >> >> It is issued on 180 gram vinyl, has been electronically enhanced, plays >> like a CD.....(Don't have my 2 copys yet) but my homeboys (bad >joke..sorry) >> Wilfried and Pierre assure me that playback is likened to the "Landing >> Zone" on the website......and then it has the added feature of "Blasting >> off" as well.... >> >> you can order it direct if you like from WWW.simplyvinyl.co.uk/......... >> >> The label is Simply Vinyl......(WAY TO GO GUYS........Now please pay Dave >> Brock heavily, so we get the 1999 party 2LP...that was a sin against the >> aliens that protect you from asteroid destruction, that it was never >> released....and my MUCH WANTED CHURCH LP with Space Travellers (Please >> Dave...Please),,,,,, >> >> And upon my listen to three of the Weird CD's last night.... >> >> Go out and buy top of the line surround processers that let you crank >it.... >> >> >> These are enhanced ...........Use this weekend for all it's worth....RUN >IN >> A MAD DASH TO CLEAN YOUR LOCAL SHOPS DRY!!!....buy as many copys of each >as >> they have.... >> >> he who gets the most copys...WINS... >> >> you'll need them for trading purposes later...... >> >> mike "x in search of" --- From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 19:16:56 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:16:56 EST Subject: OFF: The Hunger Site: Message-ID: last year kris tait put this link on the board around this time: The Hunger Site : Donate Food for Free to Hungr? it allows one to make a free donation a food with just a click. in fact other donations can be made now with the same ease. take a look; you'll see. rarely has a good deed required so little effort. which is why i still have the link. ==== see you on the 27th or thereabouts... larry b. "<>" From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Nov 18 20:47:07 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:47:07 +0100 Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue Message-ID: Well Andy,can we pay with creditcards now on CDS Towers?? Would be VERY handy for us on the continent as otherwise we have to go to the bank and loose money on the change. If I have to go to the postoffice for a IMO,I loose more money. You know the pound sterling for us is very expencive now. I've bought the weird tapes for (in exchange) for about ?8-9 a piece in my local record store. Catch my drift? I always feel embarresed when I only order from you the ultra rare stuff. You've done so much for all of us and I want to do something back. So get those credit cards on line.Or can we e-mail or write to you with our details. I worked something out with an Israel guy for a Israelin pressing of In Search Of Space. I send my creditcard details in 3 separete e-mails.So it's more difficult to trace. Also had worked something out like that with Adrian Shaw before they were on line. greetings filip ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Coleman To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: Re: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > >If you don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with Simply Vinyl, CDS > >will have it in stock on Tueday. > >Andy Garibaldi > > > > Look...I know I'm just making a computer jackass out of myself as always, > and it's obvious I have no life....just a KILLER collection (yes John Gray, > I'll send your Jap Urb) BUT....apologies to Ande.......SIMPLY VINYL never > bothered to thank me for the Rant and Rave I gave them....not to mention > THE DEVIL'S > perfect advice (NOTTT SATANNN...big diff)......so everybody (fun suggestion) > follow my lead if you can afford it, give Andy any credit card numbers your > mom dad you whoever has.....kick back, and let the goods roll in....but > ANDY....My copy comes first.....(then ELI's....just kiddin friendly Eli....) > > . > > > > > > > > > > . > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mike Coleman" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:51 PM > >Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > > > > > >> Out of bed.....8 Heinekens later, bushy tailed but not bright > >> eyed.....headache damn close to clear... > >> > >> have this to say..... > >> > >> In Search Of Space Vinyl has arrived to bless those of us into needle > >> use...... ....(styli), > >> > >> It is issued on 180 gram vinyl, has been electronically enhanced, plays > >> like a CD.....(Don't have my 2 copys yet) but my homeboys (bad > >joke..sorry) > >> Wilfried and Pierre assure me that playback is likened to the "Landing > >> Zone" on the website......and then it has the added feature of "Blasting > >> off" as well.... > >> > >> you can order it direct if you like from WWW.simplyvinyl.co.uk/......... > >> > >> The label is Simply Vinyl......(WAY TO GO GUYS........Now please pay Dave > >> Brock heavily, so we get the 1999 party 2LP...that was a sin against the > >> aliens that protect you from asteroid destruction, that it was never > >> released....and my MUCH WANTED CHURCH LP with Space Travellers (Please > >> Dave...Please),,,,,, > >> > >> And upon my listen to three of the Weird CD's last night.... > >> > >> Go out and buy top of the line surround processers that let you crank > >it.... > >> > >> > >> These are enhanced ...........Use this weekend for all it's worth....RUN > >IN > >> A MAD DASH TO CLEAN YOUR LOCAL SHOPS DRY!!!....buy as many copys of each > >as > >> they have.... > >> > >> he who gets the most copys...WINS... > >> > >> you'll need them for trading purposes later...... > >> > >> mike "x in search of" --- From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sat Nov 18 21:17:08 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:47:08 +1030 Subject: HW: Brixton - no apologies required Message-ID: Well spoken!! I was at the front also - no complaints here. Just a wonderful night Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: HW: Brixton - no apologies required Okay, so there were some rough patches, okay so some us prefer some vocalists over others, and some ex-members weren't there. That's symptomatic of a band like Hawkwind with so many exmembers. Personally it was the most enjoyable Hawkwind gig I've been to. Standing a few feet away from the stage, IT WAS AWESOME. The spirit was really there and the audience were going for it. So no apologies are required. We can nitpick to doomsday about aspects of it. What's the point? Personally I would the entire show if it were released. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 4:23 AM Subject: Huw and Hawkwind > with all this talk about huw llyold langton has anyone got any pictures of > him with hawkwind when he was first with them in the early seventies? > > colm From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Nov 19 04:12:57 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:12:57 EST Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Dear Dave and Kris (and anyone else who sweated and struggled to put on the Hawkestra ) Dont ever apologise !!!! Hawkestra was simply the most amazing HW gig I have ever attended as far as i am concerned, and my buddy Ian agrees too ! ( My count = 36 Hawk gigs, Ian = 10 , ...Yes I know, mere virgins compared to some !). It doesnt matter that some crew members were suffering some strange space sickness because it was FUN despite that. The day Hawkwind places Musicianship and Technical skill over the EXPERIENCE as a whole is the day the spirit of the mothership dies as far as I'm concerned ! Hawkestra was always going to be difficult....I cant image the problems of rehersals.And people who havent played certain numbers for years too..( For all those critics of Huw especially..Ask yourself, when did he last play any of those numbers prior to this...almost certainly more than 10 years ago..And when did he last play in front of a crowd that big ?..No what matters is that he was there...Also dont forget the part of the set Huw was to the front was a very pared down line up for those numbers . Those numbers need the power of Daves Rythmn thrash. Without that any problem was going to sound enormous. Remember that the spirit of Hawkwind is always bigger than any of the constituent parts !! And believe me...I've been watching the Hawks since Wolverhampton Civic Hall (Space Ritual) 18 December '72...And I've seen much worse performances! Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any problems, real or percieved, the event of the century ! Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they maybe...Audio and Video !!! ALL the best And Thanks again !! See you at the Astoria !! From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 19 05:59:10 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:59:10 +0100 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <70.5079b58.2748f399@aol.com> Message-ID: At 04:12 19.11.2000 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Dave and Kris > (and anyone else who sweated and struggled to put on the Hawkestra ) > Dont ever apologise !!!! > Hawkestra was simply the most amazing HW gig I have ever attended as far as >i am concerned, and my buddy Ian agrees too ! ( My count = 36 Hawk gigs, Ian >= 10 , ...Yes I know, mere virgins compared to some !). > It doesnt matter that some crew members were suffering some strange space >sickness because it was FUN despite that. The day Hawkwind places >Musicianship and Technical skill over the EXPERIENCE as a whole is the day >the spirit of the mothership dies as far as I'm concerned ! > Hawkestra was always going to be difficult....I cant image the problems of >rehersals.And people who havent played certain numbers for years too..( For >all those critics of Huw especially..Ask yourself, when did he last play any >of those numbers prior to this...almost certainly more than 10 years ago..And >when did he last play in front of a crowd that big ?..No what matters is that >he was there...Also dont forget the part of the set Huw was to the front was >a very pared down line up for those numbers . Those numbers need the power of >Daves Rythmn thrash. Without that any problem was going to sound enormous. > Remember that the spirit of Hawkwind is always bigger than any of the >constituent parts !! And believe me...I've been watching the Hawks since >Wolverhampton Civic Hall (Space Ritual) 18 December '72...And I've seen much >worse performances! > Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any problems, real or >percieved, the event of the century ! > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they >maybe...Audio and Video !!! I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU AL Bernhard From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 19 07:08:18 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:08:18 +0800 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Pospiech" > > Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any problems, real or > >percieved, the event of the century ! > > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they > >maybe...Audio and Video !!! Agreed!! Especially for the multitude of fans that couldn't attend Brixton. Cheers Bill From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 19 05:03:25 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:03:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs Message-ID: No - serves me right for doing this without checking, but if I remember correctly the triple features a photo of the Brock-Richards-Chadwick-Tree line-up when they don't have a track on the CD - anyone confirm this to save me digging out a copy from the depths of the archives. But Doug's point in general is true - EMI take more care to get it right. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: Re: HW: Weird CDs Are you talking about the triple CD or the single CD? In the case of the latter (the only one I have), I'd have to say it's perfectly appropriate to include the original (ok, first album) lineup in a career-spanning retrospective ... a bit different from an '82 photo with music from '76-'78. (And not technically one of the EMI remasters either, but that's splitting hairs!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 19 06:52:13 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:52:13 -0000 Subject: HW - the retail therapy Message-ID: http://www.cd-services.com and http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/psych.htm http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/space.htm Hope that helps some way - any questions just e.mail me as ever at andgee at dial.pipex.com Andy Garibaldi. P.S. The new Bevis CD is out now, too!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: Re: napster, hawkwind and mp3's In a message dated 11/14/2000 5:18:15 PM Central Standard Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: At the risk of shameless promotion, as long as the customer pays for the CD's, CD Services will deliver them anywhere in the world, as we have been doing for years and years. Hey, Andy. We need a URL!! Ric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 19 07:24:01 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:54:01 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: I'll second that..... Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:29 PM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > At 04:12 19.11.2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Dave and Kris > > (and anyone else who sweated and struggled to put on the Hawkestra ) > > Dont ever apologise !!!! > > Hawkestra was simply the most amazing HW gig I have ever attended as far as > >i am concerned, and my buddy Ian agrees too ! ( My count = 36 Hawk gigs, Ian > >= 10 , ...Yes I know, mere virgins compared to some !). > > It doesnt matter that some crew members were suffering some strange space > >sickness because it was FUN despite that. The day Hawkwind places > >Musicianship and Technical skill over the EXPERIENCE as a whole is the day > >the spirit of the mothership dies as far as I'm concerned ! > > Hawkestra was always going to be difficult....I cant image the problems of > >rehersals.And people who havent played certain numbers for years oo..( For > >all those critics of Huw especially..Ask yourself, when did he last play any > >of those numbers prior to this...almost certainly more than 10 years ago..And > >when did he last play in front of a crowd that big ?..No what matters is that > >he was there...Also dont forget the part of the set Huw was to the front was > >a very pared down line up for those numbers . Those numbers need the power of > >Daves Rythmn thrash. Without that any problem was going to sound enormous. > > Remember that the spirit of Hawkwind is always bigger than any of the > >constituent parts !! And believe me...I've been watching the Hawks since > >Wolverhampton Civic Hall (Space Ritual) 18 December '72...And I've seen much > >worse performances! > > Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any problems, real or > >percieved, the event of the century ! > > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they > >maybe...Audio and Video !!! > > > I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU AL > > > Bernhard From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 19 07:46:31 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:46:31 -0000 Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue Message-ID: just shows that you take things for granted these days - silly me. Yes, CD Services takes payment from anywhere round the world using Visa or Mastercard. The new web site when up and running in the New Year (possibly before) will have a quick, simple and efficient shopping trolley system, but for now you can e.mail the details to me here at: andygee at adial.pipex.com or agcdser at aol.com You only need do this once and once only as we assign you with a customer number for future use, OK. Hope that helps you and anyone else who didn't realise. Also can take Visa/M'card payments for the 4 Dead Earnest titles at a slightly lower price on: http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/sales.htm if needed. Andy Garibaldi. (currently frying his brains to the searing instrumental guitar jamming on the new Brutopop double album - SMOKIN'!!!!!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:47 AM Subject: Re: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > Well Andy,can we pay with creditcards now on CDS Towers?? > Would be VERY handy for us on the continent as otherwise we > have to go to the bank and loose money on the change. > If I have to go to the postoffice for a IMO,I loose more money. > You know the pound sterling for us is very expencive now. > I've bought the weird tapes for (in exchange) for about ?8-9 a piece > in my local record store. > Catch my drift? > > I always feel embarresed when I only order from you the ultra rare stuff. > You've done so much for all of us and I want to do something back. > So get those credit cards on line.Or can we e-mail or write to you with our > details. > > I worked something out with an Israel guy for a Israelin pressing of In > Search Of Space. > I send my creditcard details in 3 separete e-mails.So it's more difficult to > trace. > Also had worked something out like that with Adrian Shaw before they were on > line. > > greetings > filip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Coleman > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > > > > >If you don't want to go to the trouble of dealing with Simply Vinyl, CDS > > >will have it in stock on Tueday. > > >Andy Garibaldi > > > > > > > > Look...I know I'm just making a computer jackass out of myself as always, > > and it's obvious I have no life....just a KILLER collection (yes John > Gray, > > I'll send your Jap Urb) BUT....apologies to Ande.......SIMPLY VINYL > never > > bothered to thank me for the Rant and Rave I gave them....not to mention > > THE DEVIL'S > > perfect advice (NOTTT SATANNN...big diff)......so everybody (fun > suggestion) > > follow my lead if you can afford it, give Andy any credit card numbers > your > > mom dad you whoever has.....kick back, and let the goods roll in....but > > ANDY....My copy comes first.....(then ELI's....just kiddin friendly > Eli....) > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Mike Coleman" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 3:51 PM > > >Subject: HW: 180 gram Vinyl reissue > > > > > > > > >> Out of bed.....8 Heinekens later, bushy tailed but not bright > > >> eyed.....headache damn close to clear... > > >> > > >> have this to say..... > > >> > > >> In Search Of Space Vinyl has arrived to bless those of us into needle > > >> use...... ....(styli), > > >> > > >> It is issued on 180 gram vinyl, has been electronically enhanced, plays > > >> like a CD.....(Don't have my 2 copys yet) but my homeboys (bad > > >joke..sorry) > > >> Wilfried and Pierre assure me that playback is likened to the "Landing > > >> Zone" on the website......and then it has the added feature of > "Blasting > > >> off" as well.... > > >> > > >> you can order it direct if you like from > WWW.simplyvinyl.co.uk/......... > > >> > > >> The label is Simply Vinyl......(WAY TO GO GUYS........Now please pay > Dave > > >> Brock heavily, so we get the 1999 party 2LP...that was a sin against > the > > >> aliens that protect you from asteroid destruction, that it was never > > >> released....and my MUCH WANTED CHURCH LP with Space Travellers (Please > > >> Dave...Please),,,,,, > > >> > > >> And upon my listen to three of the Weird CD's last night.... > > >> > > >> Go out and buy top of the line surround processers that let you crank > > >it.... > > >> > > >> > > >> These are enhanced ...........Use this weekend for all it's > worth....RUN > > >IN > > >> A MAD DASH TO CLEAN YOUR LOCAL SHOPS DRY!!!....buy as many copys of > each > > >as > > >> they have.... > > >> > > >> he who gets the most copys...WINS... > > >> > > >> you'll need them for trading purposes later...... > > >> > > >> mike "x in search of" --- From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Sun Nov 19 08:00:34 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:00:34 -0500 Subject: HW: SImply Vinyl Message-ID: Of course if you do want to use a credit card you could amble along to; http://www.101cd.com/orev01.asp?title=6030694&s=1151 Regards, Stuart MP Allman Brothers From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 19 10:04:04 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:04:04 +0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01:19 17/11/00, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Well, it just wasn't loud enough was it? I had real trouble making >things out, and Kirsten, my well-known other half, swears she couldn't >actually hear *anything* for most of the mock-Space Ritual. It was plenty loud enough to my ears, which were ringing all the next day. The sound wasn't as clear as it might have been, but that venue usually isn't. I do agree that the sound system in the hall was irritating during the quieter moments, but that was the fault of the sound system, not of the band. On the question of a video/CD release, I'd prefer an collection of high spots rather than a documentary level of completeness. I don't listen to live CDs as an attempt to recreate a past experience; I only listen to them if they are good releases in their own right. Dave. From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 19 10:43:07 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:43:07 +0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001119145853.009f46d0@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Dave Berry wrote: > At 01:19 17/11/00, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Well, it just wasn't loud enough was it? I had real trouble making > >things out, and Kirsten, my well-known other half, swears she couldn't > >actually hear *anything* for most of the mock-Space Ritual. > > It was plenty loud enough to my ears, which were ringing all the next day. > The sound wasn't as clear as it might have been, but that venue usually > isn't. Looking back, I think the problem was possibly that I was too ill to be at a gig really :) nd therefore couldn't get far enough in. If I'm honest I wouldn't be happy unless I could moan about something :) I certainyl spent an awful lot of time thinking @This is great. If I didn't feel so awful, i'd be really enjoying this' which didn't help... Kirsten (the well-known other half) From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 19 12:26:01 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:26:01 -0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 Message-ID: What About A ltd 3CD of the entire gig, and a 2CD edit of the best bits, then everyone gets what they want? Of Course it's no problem on DVD, you can rig it for the edited version or the whole gig quite easily. Rich OBcd: Banco de Gaia - MAYA (Ltd Edition) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 19 08:59:19 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:59:19 -0000 Subject: HW: SImply Vinyl Message-ID: yes - sometimes I think I'm hogging this circle a bit - good one, Stuart. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:00 PM Subject: HW: SImply Vinyl > Of course if you do want to use a credit card you could amble along to; > > http://www.101cd.com/orev01.asp?title=6030694&s=1151 > > Regards, > > Stuart > MP Allman Brothers From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 19 13:32:03 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:32:03 -0000 Subject: Liquid Visions and my friend David Schmidt Message-ID: HI, Just been on the web site - really good. Any chance you could mail a copy of the CD to me here at CD Services as it sounds like we should be hearing, reviewing and selling this here, so let me know, OK. Thanks alot, Andy Garibaldi (CD Services) ----- Original Message ----- From: "SLOTERDIJK" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Liquid Visions and my friend David Schmidt > Hi everyone, > today I received a package of great stuff from my friend Dave Schmidt in > Berlin. David is the bass player from the german spacerock band "Liquid > Visions"..We have played some shows together in Berlin and at the > Hamburg Hawkfest, as well as a big "Liquid Sloterdijk" jam session which > lasted 90 minutes at the old shrine club in Berlin.. > > David sent me some cool shots of Sloterdijk at the Hawkfest, and the > last Berlin show im Dunckerclub, some of his personal solo recordings, > and a nice poster from an LV show. > > I can't say enough good things about this band..Not only do they jam, > but they are all really cool..We have forged a friendship, a > collaboration, and hopefuly next summer ( leading up to SD2001 if it > happens), a tour of the northeast/midatlantic region and a bit of > midwest in July/August ( hey Paul we may make it from Columbus NJ, to > Columbus Ohio!!). > > The LV set which I witnessed at the Hawkfest was for me, the best show I > have ever seen by them, and you can read the review somewhere on the > Aural Innovations website, if my memory is correct. NIk Turner joined > them for a smashing version of Master of The Universe, a staple in their > live sets.. > > Presently, I don't have the URL to their website, but you can find them > through a link at: > www.psychedelic-music.de > > peace, MIke > > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 13:21:32 2000 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:21:32 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <200011191109.MAA18800@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: 19 November 2000 10:59 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > > > At 04:12 19.11.2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Dave and Kris > > (and anyone else who sweated and struggled to put on the Hawkestra ) > > Dont ever apologise !!!! > > Hawkestra was simply the most amazing HW gig I have ever > attended as far as > >i am concerned, and my buddy Ian agrees too ! ( My count = 36 > Hawk gigs, Ian > >= 10 , ...Yes I know, mere virgins compared to some !). > > It doesnt matter that some crew members were suffering some > strange space > >sickness because it was FUN despite that. The day Hawkwind places > >Musicianship and Technical skill over the EXPERIENCE as a whole > is the day > >the spirit of the mothership dies as far as I'm concerned ! > > Hawkestra was always going to be difficult....I cant image the > problems of > >rehersals.And people who havent played certain numbers for years > too..( For > >all those critics of Huw especially..Ask yourself, when did he > last play any > >of those numbers prior to this...almost certainly more than 10 > years ago..And > >when did he last play in front of a crowd that big ?..No what > matters is that > >he was there...Also dont forget the part of the set Huw was to > the front was > >a very pared down line up for those numbers . Those numbers need > the power of > >Daves Rythmn thrash. Without that any problem was going to sound > enormous. > > Remember that the spirit of Hawkwind is always bigger than any of the > >constituent parts !! And believe me...I've been watching the Hawks since > >Wolverhampton Civic Hall (Space Ritual) 18 December '72...And > I've seen much > >worse performances! > > Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any > problems, real or > >percieved, the event of the century ! > > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however > imperfect they > >maybe...Audio and Video !!! > > > I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU AL > > > Bernhard > I will second that PS I went to see the sf extravaganza that is the film Pitch Black the hero villain Riddick reminded me of Nik with his shaved head and strap on sun glasses From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 19 13:37:05 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:37:05 -0600 Subject: HW: SImply Vinyl-HAWKWIND LIVE-on BRILLIANT LABERL In-Reply-To: <003a01c05255$2a045a40$fb9abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: >yes - sometimes I think I'm hogging this circle a bit - good one, Stuart. >Andy G. but if you can supply....HAWKWIND LIVE ON BRILLIANT HAWKWIND LIVE ON BRILLIANT SHRINK WRAP SHRINK RAP SHRINK RAP STACIA PIC STACIA PIC STACIA PIC...for a THIRD go-round..............Mike From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 19 13:46:56 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:46:56 -0600 Subject: HW: SImply Vinyl-HAWKWIND LIVE-on BRILLIANT LABERL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>yes - sometimes I think I'm hogging this circle a bit - good one, Stuart. >>Andy G. > >but if you can supply....HAWKWIND LIVE ON BRILLIANT HAWKWIND LIVE ON BRILLIANT >SHRINK WRAP SHRINK RAP SHRINK RAP STACIA PIC STACIA PIC STACIA PIC...for a >THIRD go-round..............Mike Woops ..this should read WRAP WRAP WRAP,,,as there was no EVIL portent......like I'm one to talk.....come on Doug.....I'm not THE INVADER...just the psychonut...psyche moleman From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 14:51:20 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:51:20 -0000 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Message-ID: Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, and about a 10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. The question is where is the rest of the film? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From starfield at SUPANET.COM Sun Nov 19 15:58:12 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (Captain Black) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:58:12 -0500 Subject: Starfield Message-ID: Greetings fellow Hawk travellers. Starfield can now be contacted at starfield at SUPANET.COM. Contact us for Starfield feedback. We hope to have our own website up and running soon. Hope to see some of you at the Astoria. Regards Captain Black. From hunt.johnson at HORNBY34.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 17:26:41 2000 From: hunt.johnson at HORNBY34.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Steve Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:26:41 -0000 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 >Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, and about a >10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. Yup, I caught that alright. Glad someone else did too. . >The question is where is the rest of the film? That is the question. Steve. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Nov 19 17:37:52 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:37:52 GMT Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Message-ID: Dave Wrote: > Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, and about a 10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. The question is where is the rest of the film? > >Dave Yeah I saw it too, it looked like Terry Ollis to me. I was hoping the camera would pan round to show the rest of the band but like you said it was only on for a few seconds. There must be more footage as they attracted quite a bit of attention playing outside for free - this HAS to found! Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 18:01:07 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:01:07 -0000 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Message-ID: Was this clip taken from the thirty minutes worth mentioned on the official site a while back? Andy Gilham - over to you. Dave -----Original Message----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 November 2000 20:00 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, and about a 10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. The question is where is the rest of the film? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 18:01:56 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:01:56 -0000 Subject: Glasgow Gong gig 25.11.00 Message-ID: Anyone going to the gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 19 18:24:40 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:24:40 +0000 Subject: [HW[] Confuseder than a confused thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did the man djing the local radio rock show just say that Iommi has a new album out featuring a track with the lovely Mr. Brock on vocals or am I entirely made of spaghetti? I mean, he certainly mentioned a new Iommi album, it's the rest I'm unsure of? Kirsten -- Kirsten Procter ghoti NP: local radio rock show From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 18:25:15 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:25:15 -0000 Subject: [HW[] Confuseder than a confused thing Message-ID: Er, Kid Rock methinks Dave -----Original Message----- From: Kirsten Procter To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 November 2000 23:25 Subject: [HW[] Confuseder than a confused thing > Did the man djing the local radio rock show just say that Iommi has a new >album out featuring a track with the lovely Mr. Brock on vocals or am I >entirely made of spaghetti? I mean, he certainly mentioned a new Iommi >album, it's the rest I'm unsure of? > >Kirsten > >-- >Kirsten Procter ghoti >NP: local radio rock show > From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Sun Nov 19 18:54:23 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:54:23 +0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <70.5079b58.2748f399@aol.com> Message-ID: >Dear Dave and Kris > (and anyone else who sweated and struggled to put on the Hawkestra ) > Dont ever apologise !!!! > Hawkestra was simply the most amazing HW gig I have ever attended as far as >i am concerned, and my buddy Ian agrees too ! ( My count = 36 Hawk gigs, Ian >= 10 , ...Yes I know, mere virgins compared to some !). > It doesnt matter that some crew members were suffering some strange space >sickness because it was FUN despite that. The day Hawkwind places >Musicianship and Technical skill over the EXPERIENCE as a whole is the day >the spirit of the mothership dies as far as I'm concerned ! > Hawkestra was always going to be difficult....I cant image the problems of >rehersals.And people who havent played certain numbers for years too..( For >all those critics of Huw especially..Ask yourself, when did he last play any >of those numbers prior to this...almost certainly more than 10 years ago..And >when did he last play in front of a crowd that big ?..No what matters is that >he was there...Also dont forget the part of the set Huw was to the front was >a very pared down line up for those numbers . Those numbers need the power of >Daves Rythmn thrash. Without that any problem was going to sound enormous. > Remember that the spirit of Hawkwind is always bigger than any of the >constituent parts !! And believe me...I've been watching the Hawks since >Wolverhampton Civic Hall (Space Ritual) 18 December '72...And I've seen much >worse performances! > Please dont Apologise Dave ....It truly was, despite any problems, real or >percieved, the event of the century ! > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they >maybe...Audio and Video !!! > ALL the best > And Thanks again !! > > See you at the Astoria !! Well said ! Although I sympathise with Dave Brocks own personal thoughts about the event.....,it was the whole spirit of the experience that will remain embedded in my memory. Melvyn From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 19 19:55:35 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:55:35 -0500 Subject: Brixton 2000: The Morning After - vocalists Message-ID: >Nik has the advantage that he can play and front at >the same time because of playing something large and shiny that you can >fling from side to side. You mean his head? From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 19 23:37:30 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:07:30 +1030 Subject: Glasgow Gong gig 25.11.00 Message-ID: no Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Glasgow Gong gig 25.11.00 Anyone going to the gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deltawave at METRONET.COM Sun Nov 19 23:43:02 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:43:02 -0600 Subject: HW: "Clique.Clique Clique, the # Of the Beast" Message-ID: "HELL!!! and FIRE!!! were sworn to be released!!!.....does everyone have that much going??.......well I was dead interested in you....SO...since I still won't do "the right thing", If I have to go do more warfare on my liver to deal with the seashell effect that I hear with my head up close (to the monitor)....I'll have to look into some nice screwy weather, maybe a "Fish Rain", "Toads", possibly a fresh spontaneous combustion somewhere(or 2)......How about a nice big Poddie accident through the roof from one of the big 'ol 777 liners.....MDC From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 19 23:59:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:29:04 +1030 Subject: HW: "Clique.Clique Clique, the # Of the Beast" Message-ID: Lets just watch a bambi re run and get all teary all over again - whadya say guys :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Coleman To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:13 PM Subject: HW: "Clique.Clique Clique, the # Of the Beast" > "HELL!!! and FIRE!!! were sworn to be released!!!.....does everyone have > that much going??.......well I was dead interested in you....SO...since I > still won't do "the right thing", If I have to go do more warfare on my > liver to deal with the seashell effect that I hear with my head up close > (to the monitor)....I'll have to look into some nice screwy weather, maybe > a "Fish Rain", "Toads", possibly a fresh spontaneous combustion > somewhere(or 2)......How about a nice big Poddie accident through the roof > from one of the big 'ol 777 liners.....MDC From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 03:50:54 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:54 +0000 Subject: HW: It is written... Message-ID: I'm still buzzing..... Imagine a room about 50ft x 50ft with a small stage in one corner. On that stage you have 4 musicians belting out an amazing set of Hawkwind classics, and of that 4, one is Alan Davey, one is Simon House and one is Danny Thompson. This is what happened in the form of Bedouin at the Half-Moon in Putney on Saturday night! Towards the end of the gig, during Hassan I Sabbha, something strange happened that I still can't explain: Alan was the only one doing vocals and I wondered how he'd manage doing the "Eye of the falcon/Shade of the scorpion bit". I threw caution to the wind, walked on to the stage, shared the mike with Alan, sang the "It is written..." lines then walked back into the audience! I don't know why I did it but I did, and the band seemed to enjoy it too judging by their reaction afterwards. Alan said that I even sang in key! Hey Dave, can I do it at the party? :) cheers, Keef From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Mon Nov 20 04:03:40 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:03:40 -0000 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 In-Reply-To: <001801c0527c$9ab8d280$c81d883e@default> Message-ID: Buggered if I know! But if I find anything out I'll post it... -- Andy www.andygilham.com -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of david hall Sent: 19 November 2000 23:01 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Was this clip taken from the thirty minutes worth mentioned on the official site a while back? Andy Gilham - over to you. Dave -----Original Message----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 November 2000 20:00 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, and about a 10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. The question is where is the rest of the film? Dave From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 04:00:45 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:00:45 -0000 Subject: VH1 Message-ID: Marigolds.... ChrisW (Slow off the mark due to a weekend away....) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Cynthia [mailto:freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > I know what to buy you for Christmas now Chris. > > Cheers > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Warburton" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > Shows that the rubber gloves work!!! > > > > Chris W > > (I know, I know....) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andy Gilham [mailto:andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM] > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > Wot no pregnant chads? > > > > > > -- Andy > > > > > > www.andygilham.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > > > Behalf Of M Holmes > > > > Sent: 16 November 2000 11:06 > > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy G'b > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "M Holmes" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:58 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: VH1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Apold writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > BOC comes in at #55, just edging out Heart (57) and White > > > > Zombie (56), > > > > > > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > > > > > by hand? > > > > > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > > > > > > FoFP > > > > > > > > > > From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 04:03:49 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:03:49 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: Eeeeeuuuwww... messy! ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Browne [mailto:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > > Dave, > > If Brixton had been any more exciting, > > I would have exploded! > -- > Jon > From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Mon Nov 20 06:46:40 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:46:40 -0000 Subject: HW: San Francisco Blue images Message-ID: Just finished doing a web site for former Jefferson Airplane member Bob Harvey who has found his way back to writing and recording music with the band "San Francisco Blue". In one of the galleries (Gallery 2) band member, Brian Fowler has a collection of snapshots from the 1st US Space Rock Festival in Sherman, NY including various Hawk snaps. Site is at http://www.sfblue.co.uk Stuart NP Allman Brothers CD I've just made up for Chris W to commemorate his departure from this hallowed land. The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist Web Design - http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 20 07:00:01 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:00:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks Message-ID: Morning all, Just about to place an order for the Weird CDs! Just thought I'd ask: Is there a definitive list of differences between the CDs and the tapes? I'm sure somebody has already posted it, but I trashed my in-box by mistake! Also, does anybody have a comparative list, which includes tracks from the Samurai/Flicknife output, and what overlap there is with the Weird CDs? I know that there is a fair amount of common tracks, but it would be nice to see the differences. If somebody has gone to all the effort, it would be daft to re-invent the wheel! Best wishes to all Guy T. From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 06:59:12 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:59:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkeye zines & Discography Message-ID: Hello folks For those who may be interested, I'm running low on most of the Hawkwind fanzines "Hawkeye" and the "Worldwide Discography" book. If anyone would like more info, visit: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkeye_pubs.html or email me privately at: age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk All the Best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 07:25:17 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:25:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks Message-ID: Guy asked: >Just about to place an order for the Weird CDs! Just thought I'd ask: Is >there a definitive list of differences between the CDs and the tapes? I'm >sure somebody has already posted it, but I trashed my in-box by mistake! >Also, does anybody have a comparative list, which includes tracks from the >Samurai/Flicknife output, and what overlap there is with the Weird CDs? OK, here's a copy of my post from a couple of weeks ago - not as detailed as Doug's, but a start: 1: Angels of Life lasts beyond the original fade-out by a few minutes. This features more of Bob's WW1 obsession & is well worth hearing. Also, what was The Dream 2 is now part of Satellite & we have an all-new synth piece listed as The Dream 2. Nuclear Toy seems longer, but not sure about this. 2: Seems identical to the tape. 3: Also identical, despite the misleading track listing on the cover. Aside from Damnation Alley occupying just one track rather than the two listed on the cover (why?) - hence everything shifts back one track - what's credited as Circles is actually Cake Out aka Hash Cake 77 & I Am The Eye is Circles & Elements. 4: Again, identical to tape & definitely NOT the same as the Griffin CD. 5: Is the same as the version of Weird105 that I have (the reissue?) with the addition of the US QS&C radio ad between Steppenwolf & Where Are They Now. I've never heard the other version of the tape so can't help there. Also, the second track is listed as City of Lagoons (as was the tape), but this is Chronoglide Skyway, surely? Can anyone clear up the confusion here? 6: Includes the full Greasy Truckers' Born To Go rather than the 5 min edit of it. Omits Earth Calling from the track list on the cover, but it's on the CD. 7: Hmm. Not sure what happened here. Is everyone else's version as screwed up as mine? Track listing on the cover is as per tape, but the CD itself starts with Choose Your Masques, continues with Looking in the Future twice in succession (!!??) then onto the remaining tracks in order up to Bombed Out, then back to the original opener (Streets of Fear) then through to Winter of Discontent at the end. What happened here? 8: Where *is* 8??? Can ANYBODY please provide an answer to this - it's really bugging me! And yes, I know many of the tracks from this are available on CD elsewhere, but that didn't prevent Voiceprint from putting out Weird6 and the missing 3 tracks are otherwise unavailable in any form. Dave From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 07:13:24 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:13:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Those Thrilling Hawkwind Moments Message-ID: It may be a little banal compared to helicopters and archaeological sites, but I was heading South to my mother's on Friday as the first stage of my move to the new job. A little after leaving Tebay services on the M6 (high in the Lake District) I slipped Live '79 into the player; so I was "Shot Down In The night" as I raced down through the dark hills, had "Motorway City" as the sky started to light up "with an orange flame", and "Brainstorm" whilst dealing with the madness of the Mancunian traffic... all seemed rather apposite somehow... ChrisW From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 20 08:14:54 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:14:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks Message-ID: Thanks for that info Dave - much appreciated! Am I right in saying that "Bombed Out" on 107 is an instrumental version of "Looking in the Future?" My original tape lists it as the final song on the card, but actually ends with "Speed of Light (Transdimensional Man)". Does anybody now have a definitive listing of the Samurai / Flicknife / Mausoleum / Friends & Relations / Dave Anderson issued / re-issued / re-re-re-re-issued / etc etc etc. songs? It would be nice to make a definitive compilation of "The rest of the non-Weird songs" !!!! Guy -----Original Message----- From: David Bottomley [mailto:merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK] Sent: 20 November 2000 12:25 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks Guy asked: >Just about to place an order for the Weird CDs! Just thought I'd ask: Is >there a definitive list of differences between the CDs and the tapes? I'm >sure somebody has already posted it, but I trashed my in-box by mistake! >Also, does anybody have a comparative list, which includes tracks from the >Samurai/Flicknife output, and what overlap there is with the Weird CDs? OK, here's a copy of my post from a couple of weeks ago - not as detailed as Doug's, but a start: 1: Angels of Life lasts beyond the original fade-out by a few minutes. This features more of Bob's WW1 obsession & is well worth hearing. Also, what was The Dream 2 is now part of Satellite & we have an all-new synth piece listed as The Dream 2. Nuclear Toy seems longer, but not sure about this. 2: Seems identical to the tape. 3: Also identical, despite the misleading track listing on the cover. Aside from Damnation Alley occupying just one track rather than the two listed on the cover (why?) - hence everything shifts back one track - what's credited as Circles is actually Cake Out aka Hash Cake 77 & I Am The Eye is Circles & Elements. 4: Again, identical to tape & definitely NOT the same as the Griffin CD. 5: Is the same as the version of Weird105 that I have (the reissue?) with the addition of the US QS&C radio ad between Steppenwolf & Where Are They Now. I've never heard the other version of the tape so can't help there. Also, the second track is listed as City of Lagoons (as was the tape), but this is Chronoglide Skyway, surely? Can anyone clear up the confusion here? 6: Includes the full Greasy Truckers' Born To Go rather than the 5 min edit of it. Omits Earth Calling from the track list on the cover, but it's on the CD. 7: Hmm. Not sure what happened here. Is everyone else's version as screwed up as mine? Track listing on the cover is as per tape, but the CD itself starts with Choose Your Masques, continues with Looking in the Future twice in succession (!!??) then onto the remaining tracks in order up to Bombed Out, then back to the original opener (Streets of Fear) then through to Winter of Discontent at the end. What happened here? 8: Where *is* 8??? Can ANYBODY please provide an answer to this - it's really bugging me! And yes, I know many of the tracks from this are available on CD elsewhere, but that didn't prevent Voiceprint from putting out Weird6 and the missing 3 tracks are otherwise unavailable in any form. Dave From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:25:56 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:25:56 GMT Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:09:03 -0000 Message-ID: Rich writes: > I've got a Microvax 3100 in the garage Yeah, ever since those Dysons came out, nobody uses their old vacuum cleaners any more. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:28:10 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:28:10 GMT Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:25:27 -0000 Message-ID: Rich writes: > Roll on the Christamas Gig! Before I Open an Orphanage for Obsolescent > Computers. I have a beeb, 2 Masters, and an Apple IIE sitting around in cupboards. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:32:01 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:32:01 GMT Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:26:42 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > to qoute a famous scientist of the future... dr cornelius smith > > oh the pain......the pain of it all Wasn't that Doctor Zachary Smith? Enquiring minds... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:33:18 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:33:18 GMT Subject: Electric Tepee gets groovy In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:28:32 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > before i fell asleep last night i had a vision of doing a interview = > style chat with with > baron brock and others - that would be cool I've had quite a few dreams of being at Hawkwind gigs. Sometimes I can even remember the setlist after I wake up. Even Bernhard hasn't been able to find tapes of 'em though... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:35:10 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:35:10 GMT Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid In-Reply-To: Melvyn Vincent's message of Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:10:36 +0000 Message-ID: Melvyn Vincent writes: > During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the > gates to the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a > bottle of 'apple juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. Huw Lloyd > Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been > spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. No laughing > matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was hospitalised and > did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so high that it > took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. One > does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a > person. I thought it was impossible to overdose on LSD in the sense of actually causing physical harm? Does it really have an LD50 dose? > melvyn FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 09:56:23 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:56:23 GMT Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: Al Ogilvy's message of Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:12:57 EST Message-ID: Al Ogilvy writes: > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they > maybe...Audio and Video !!! Seconded. I can understand that Dave will probably want an edited version for consumer consumption but I'm sure a lot of us would very much appreciate the option to also obtain a full version through the passport system or whatever. Thanks to everyone, band and fans, for their efforts. I had a really great night both before and at the gig. Hopefully I'll see you all again on the 29th! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 10:06:03 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:06:03 GMT Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: Brian Coulthard's message of Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:21:32 -0000 Message-ID: Brian Coulthard writes: > PS I went to see the sf extravaganza that is the film Pitch Black the > hero villain Riddick reminded me of Nik with his shaved head and strap > on sun glasses Just to note that this is well worth seeing. The ecology of the planet is laughably ridiculous but what you do get is a fantastic spacewreck in a prolonged opening sequence and then a movie that amounts to a slow high tension trip through claustrophobic darkness with some very scary things out there... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 10:16:03 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:16:03 GMT Subject: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks In-Reply-To: Thomas, Guy's message of Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:14:54 -0000 Message-ID: Thomas, Guy writes: > Does anybody now have a definitive listing of the Samurai / Flicknife / > Mausoleum / Friends & Relations / Dave Anderson issued / re-issued / > re-re-re-re-issued / etc etc etc. songs? It would be nice to make a > definitive compilation of "The rest of the non-Weird songs" !!!! You should be able to use the Codex to do this. You can email me for the latest version. I'm a bit behind though so I don't have the Weird CDs listed yet. FoFP From robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 10:13:59 2000 From: robert.stuckey at WCOM.CO.UK (Stuckey, Robert) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:13:59 -0000 Subject: HW: bizarre hawkwind site Message-ID: .......errrrrr, have a look at this site http://www.acronet.net/~rottie/ it's a Hawkwind-rottweiler page, can't be many of them around!! bye - Rob -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 10:52:35 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:52:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs & tapes, Anthology tracks, Flicknife tracks Message-ID: Guy typed: >Thanks for that info Dave - much appreciated! No problem! >Am I right in saying that "Bombed Out" on 107 is an instrumental version of >"Looking in the Future?" Shows how observant I am. I've never noticed this before, but you're right - they're very, very similar. Can't be sure if they're identical bar the vox w/o further listens, but a good spot! >My original tape lists it as the final song on the card, but actually ends >with "Speed of Light (Transdimensional Man)". My copy of the tape definitely has Bombed Out following Speed of Light. I guess they faded yours a tad early when they dubbed it....... >Does anybody now have a definitive listing of the Samurai / Flicknife / >Mausoleum / Friends & Relations / Dave Anderson issued / re-issued / >re-re-re-re-issued / etc etc etc. songs? It would be nice to make a >definitive compilation of "The rest of the non-Weird songs" !!!! Again, I'll have a go... 1: All the Sonic Assassins stuff is available elsewhere on CD - Mighty Hawkwind Classics & Acid Daze would do the trick (albeit with just the short version of Angels of Life). Of the DB half, Assassination (aka Some People Never Die) & Satellite (aka The Phenomenon Of Luminosity) are available on the Church of Hawkwind CD. Who's Gonna Win The War (in actual fact, a Hawklords track) is, I think, identical to the Friends & Relations (Vol 1) version & may have been on a F&R compilation, but I can't be certain. 2: Quark is also on Acid Daze. Valium 10 is on a few of the comps, inc. Mighty Hawkwind Classics. Douglas ITJ is on Acid Daze. Time Of.. (long or short) I don't think made any of the comps. I could be wrong on this, though. The short version was a Flicknife B-side. 3: I think I'm right in saying that only High Rise has been released elsewhere (Acid Daze/Anthology). The 3 Watchfield tracks share some communality with the track titled Watchfield Festival (also on AD), but are sufficiently different to be thought of as separate tracks. 4: None of this is available elsewhere as far as I'm aware. 5: Ditto. 6: Born To Go (short) is on Acid Daze/Anthology, whilst the long version & MotU are both on the reissued Space Ritual. Hurry on Sundown, Come Home, We Do It & Earth Calling are all AD/Anth. tracks. I think I'm right in saying that these same versions of HoS & WDI also feature on Text of Festival (but edited here). 7: I'm sure Dave used these tracks as the basics for the HW versions of Streets of Fear, Choose Your Masques, Looking In The Future & Transdimensional Man. Disintegration also sounds identical to the Sonic Attack version. In their "Weird" form, I don't think any are/were available elsewhere. I'm sure others will have more to add (or correct), but I hope this goes some of the way. Dave From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Nov 20 10:22:27 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Online Comic Reference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>> http://www.clanofthecats.com/d/19990709.html >> >> That seemed like some decent PR for the band. Does the cartoonist normally >> drop band names in the strip since it's about DJs? Or do they usually stick >> to situations outside the booth? > > It's not about DJ's. One of the characters is an on and off again DJ, but > it's about a were panther who happens to be a witch. It's one of my daily > reads.. Wild. What ever happened to classic comic ideas like, "striped orange cat likes eating lasagna?" ;-) Sounds like I'll have to check out Clan of the Cats. Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com From deltawave at METRONET.COM Mon Nov 20 12:46:21 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:46:21 -0600 Subject: HW: SERIOUS ADMISSION Message-ID: Hi Folks....great to see everyone...esp. Age appear......this is not the usual "hey everybody" "watch my mouth run and look who I know"......Can anyone-is anyone a friend of Phil Howard (Cellular Structure?/former Spacehed),,,,I have a debt with this man that needs fixing, as well as a partial one with MR.PARR(I'm comming over Age!) Want to make clear that I am very unhappy with myself with the mess I created in previous years...I want to eventually get all records sent out and money,,,,and I will, but I am still slow as I am still Mike C.....Not as fried as in past however.....If anyone is pissed at me that feels neglected or want your stamp/Irc's back from yesterday...no trouble,,, Also...I am very interested in what ALL of you have to say.....and I personally do not pass judgement on ANY of you......ALL opinions and ways of life are interesting...and very much appreciated for someone like me who has a lonely life and too much time to read posts...(the reason I bog with mailing out vinyl, is that I am SO addicted, I have to actually play all of the copies I have so I keep the best, and I just never get around to it....I never meant to be such an ass) DAVE B..would you consider cleaning up the mess I made, I'll pay you profit for doing so, then I could be mentally free again to wiggle my toes in the sand, smile, find a girl, etc.????? at least I prefer to read you guys than to go to some porno site, etc... I realize also that most of you have a life, jobs , etc... ADDENDUM: Mike Holmes......Don't you want to hear the recent reports......suspicious...... I have nothing to hide... hope it's oK to add: I did drink again last night to kill the pain of being me. and once again the room was filled with blasting magic...... The Weird CD's REALLY are WAY TOO EXCELLENT....but DID ANYONE else notice the gunpowder behind the new double 76 show....That just forced my face to smile...It did not sound totally identical to me....but I am not an expert at this.... all this said.....I really will try to close the mouth for a while....I'll be reading, enjoying, etc.. THE PARADOGS CD is FROM GOD......(like hawkwind, as is the STAR NATION CDR.) little mikkey From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 20 12:53:16 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:53:16 -0000 Subject: Glasgow Gong gig 25.11.00 Message-ID: I'm considering Gong in Glasgow, I'm seeing them in Whitley Bay on thursday, if I'm still sane afterwards, I may go to the Glasgow Gig ;-) Finances what Finances ;-) Just booked my Christmas Party Ticket/Sent off for my Passport ;-) ;-) Roll on Christmas Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 20 13:47:00 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:47:00 -0800 Subject: HW: Huw and Hawkwind Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:53:20 -0000, bedroom trancer wrote: >with all this talk about huw llyold langton has anyone got any pictures of >him with hawkwind when he was first with them in the early seventies? I'd go with the band performance photo in the gatefold of the original pressing of the first LP. There are also good individual photos of the first LP lineup in (at least the single disc version of) the 'Epoch Eclipse' anthology. (sorry, don't have access to a scanner) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 20 13:57:43 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:43 -0800 Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:35:10 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Melvyn Vincent writes: > >> ... Huw Lloyd >> Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been >> spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. No laughing >> matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was hospitalised and >> did actually 'die' at one point... > >I thought it was impossible to overdose on LSD in the sense of actually >causing physical harm? Does it really have an LD50 dose? I'm not aware of anyone being killed as a direct result of the *physicial* effects of LSD. If it *could* happen, it surely would have at some point in the sixties when people (especially in the Bay Area) were dosing the unsuspecting like mad or manufacturing the stuff under non-cleanroom conditions (remember, Albert Hoffman was sent on his first trip by handling lab equipment - test tubes and the like - that had held LSD). At some point when researching the pharmocological effects, I remember reading about how an Elephant (?!) had been fed several grams (standard human dosage is a fraction of a milligram), which actually killed it. Although if that's true, I'd think it more likely that the poor creature literally "freaked out" to death (along the lines of an anxiety-induced heart attack - they're fairly high-strung, easily agitated creatures) from the psychological, rather than physiological effects of the drug. >> The dose he got was so high that it >> took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. One >> does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a >> person. This is certainly a well-known reaction to extreme LSD intake. One could easily come up with a list of at least a dozen musicians that this happened to ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Nov 20 14:49:08 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:49:08 GMT Subject: HW: bizarre hawkwind site Message-ID: Rob wrote > .......errrrrr, have a look at this site >http://www.acronet.net/~rottie/ > it's a Hawkwind-rottweiler page, can't be many of them around!! > > bye - Rob So they're the ones contributing to the Glastonbury 90 cd wuff wuff. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 14:55:17 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:55:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the >Astoria,  2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that >everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on >29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, >we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for >limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be >invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have >to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know >your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making >decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone >mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over >and out............ HW OH MY GOD! AM I COMMIN BACK! KEVIN??? Will you tolerate my weaknesses again!!!!!!!!! Whoah....... From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Nov 20 15:19:15 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:19:15 GMT Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: HW wrote > Hello folks! > >Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ > >1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. > >2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. > >Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. > >Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. >Rehearsals start next week. > > >Over and out............ > >HW God this is getting better by the minute! Personally I think option 2 sounds best even though some may not be lucky enough to get in. As for the set, I would like to hear songs that have'nt been in the set list for a long time - suprise us! But keep Spirit of the Age in. Can't wait till Dec 29 thanks Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 15:29:58 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:29:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and support etc there are too many passport holders to guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport holders though. Maybe they would not all want to come anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! not too sure about an aftershow party being entry only to people that win in a raffle style competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of having these passports so that holders can get special offers not opened to non passport holders? BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i would prefer hiring out a private club as a better option than having it at a hotel. My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as follows: Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! see you all at the xmas gig colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 15:26:28 2000 From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:26:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: My God this is to much!!!!!...reality is melting! We love this idea so much, and option 2 would possibly be the most realistic considering the time of year. However, what really worries us is what if our names aren't drawn out of said hat (THE UNCHOSEN AND UNLOVED). So in retrospect for ourselves and the legion of Hawkfans out there, option one might be better....laugh. An absolutely inspired idea chaps!!!!! Thank you so much!!!! GARY&ANNA ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: 20 November 2000 19:55 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flossbac at NLCI.COM Mon Nov 20 15:37:23 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:37:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid Message-ID: > Melvyn Vincent writes: > > > During the gig that HW were doing on a makeshift stage outside the > > gates to the Isle of White Pop Festival.....Some person handed a > > bottle of 'apple juice' to the band for 'refreshment'. Huw Lloyd > > Langton gulped back a few mouthfuls not knowing that it had been > > spiked with something like 5 shots of liquid acid/LSD. No laughing > > matter....as it very nearly killed the guy. Huw was hospitalised and > > did actually 'die' at one point. The dose he got was so high that it > > took him a period of 6 months to 'come down' from the effects. One > > does wonder what long term affects such an overdose could have on a > > person. > > I thought it was impossible to overdose on LSD in the sense of actually > causing physical harm? Does it really have an LD50 dose? > > > melvyn No, so far as I know there is no LD50 dose with LSD. It's not possible to really suffer physical harm, just psychological harm.... Your friendly neighborhood clinical pharmacist, John Majka From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 20 15:38:42 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:38:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <034f01c0532b$eb5095c0$8f9193c3@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, XXX wrote: > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > Rehearsals start next week. > I guess if I request Flying Doctor, noones going to take me seriously, right? Weve discussed thhis a million times (its like talkin about your ideal lineup, isnt it?) but Im all blank now... I mean I'd like to hear Love In Space or Quark, Frenchbread and Jam or any number of things, but I'll like what gets played as well - I once dreamt a Hawkwind gig which feature three Belinda Carlisle covers in a row, and enjoyed that, too :) (HW version of Big Scary Animal, anyone?)[1] The other question we wanted to ask - there isn't any way in which ninettenmonth old Jarretts could come, is there? I mean, he's the sort of baby who won't get up if it's not Hawkwind (not exclusively, but getting out of bed, it being Janios Joplin, going back to bed, getting up a bit later, noticing it's Rush, back to bed and then getting up a bit later, noticing Iit'#s Hawkwind and indicating approval is normal for him) and loves all the HW he's ever heard.. possibly would be a Bad Ide [tm] anyway, but Jjarrett and I had said we'd ask anyway... Kirsten [1] not that I'm suggesting that this would be a good idea, in waking hours, you understand From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Nov 20 15:55:10 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:55:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <034f01c0532b$eb5095c0$8f9193c3@default> Message-ID: Hi >Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the >Astoria, 2 choices........ >1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This >would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if >anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are >willing to listen. >2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. >Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited >(Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have >to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. >Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to >consideration while making decisions.............. >Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack >of 80s stuff at Brixton. >Rehearsals start next week. WOW! Another dream will come true 2000, It is the year of the HAWK Well now for the songs. I take VERY extended versions of: - DAMNATION ALLEY - SPIRIT OF THE AGE - OPA LOKA - CHRONOGLIDE SKYWAY Astoria I am comming!! Thanks Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bernhard HW From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 20 15:01:34 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:01:34 EDT Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid In-Reply-To: <003701c05331$b0ae74e0$c56040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On 20 Nov 00, at 15:37, flossbac wrote: > > I thought it was impossible to overdose on LSD in the sense of > > actually causing physical harm? Does it really have an LD50 dose? > > > > > melvyn > > > No, so far as I know there is no LD50 dose with LSD. It's not > possible to really suffer physical harm, just psychological harm.... > Your friendly neighborhood clinical pharmacist, John Majka I thought none of you HW fans knew anything about such stuff... theo From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Nov 20 16:24:20 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:24:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, reading it again i does come across slightly aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well if the after show party is at a private club that can only allow in a total of 100 people then some kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all members of the audience or instead via the net to passports holders seems like a good idea. I would love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most fair and unbiased way. Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to be at the xmas gig. BTW please please please play Damnation Alley cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and support etc there are too many passport holders to guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport holders though. Maybe they would not all want to come anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! not too sure about an aftershow party being entry only to people that win in a raffle style competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of having these passports so that holders can get special offers not opened to non passport holders? BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i would prefer hiring out a private club as a better option than having it at a hotel. My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as follows: Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! see you all at the xmas gig colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 20 16:38:57 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:38:57 -0700 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <036901c05330$be543860$8f9193c3@default> Message-ID: Urf, are you saying that there are significant numbers of Passport holders who are affected with severely crippling mental illnesses? Kevin Sommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of XXX Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:30 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and support etc there are too many passport holders to guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport holders though. Maybe they would not all want to come anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon Nov 20 16:52:41 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:52:41 -0700 Subject: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <034f01c0532b$eb5095c0$8f9193c3@default> Message-ID: Ahhh, 80's stuff: possibly STREETS OF FEAR, or TRANS-DIMENSIONAL MAN, or (what are the odds...) SPACE TRAVELERS? WASTELANDS OF SLEEP, the full version, with those fantastically haunting vocals? SHIP OF DREAMS (OK, it's from 90, but it's MY list...)? Kevin Sommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of XXX Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:55 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! .................... Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Nov 20 16:39:47 2000 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:39:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <034f01c0532b$eb5095c0$8f9193c3@default> Message-ID: Hi, >Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 >choices........ GREAT idea!!!!! >Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s >stuff at Brixton. >Rehearsals start next week. Some suggestions are: High Rise, 25 Years, Spirit of the Age, Wind of Change, 7 By 7, Damnation Alley, Treadmill (c)IAO & thanx D'can't hardly await 29-12'+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 17:31:51 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:31:51 EST Subject: HW: Isle of White 1970 - Huw freaked on acid Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/00 3:35:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Your friendly neighborhood clinical pharmacist, John Majka >> Samples???? Bill From starfield at SUPANET.COM Mon Nov 20 17:33:50 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:33:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Kris, Tell Dave to play Green Fin Demon. Captain Black. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Web Email & Filter Enhancements. http://www.freewebemail.com/filtertools/ ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. 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I wont be uncool or nothing... Trev'll vouch for me -- Jon From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Nov 20 17:40:39 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:40:39 -0600 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Sounds great! I will definitely be going to the show once again (travelling from the states) with new girlfriend along....She has not yet heard of Hawkwind.....can't wait! Hmmm..... My vote for songs includes: Damnation Alley, PSI Power, Spirit of the Age, Right to Decide, Born to Go, Angels of Death, Assault and Battery, PXR5, Master of the Universe, Watching the Grass Grow (Will Nik be there?).... Best Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Regenbrecht" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > Hi, > > >Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 > >choices........ > > GREAT idea!!!!! > > >Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s > >stuff at Brixton. > >Rehearsals start next week. > > Some suggestions are: > > High Rise, 25 Years, Spirit of the Age, Wind of Change, 7 By 7, > Damnation Alley, Treadmill > > (c)IAO & thanx > > D'can't hardly await 29-12'+R > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 20 17:52:53 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:52:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Kevin Sommers wrote: > Urf, are you saying that there are significant numbers of Passport holders > who are affected with severely crippling mental illnesses? > > Kevin Sommers > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of XXX > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:30 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > Maybe they would not all want to come anyway. > Perhaps the last sentence was wishful thinking, or realsiation that not everyone would be logistically capable of doing post-gig parties? Kirsten From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Mon Nov 20 17:58:08 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:58:08 -0800 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Songs... hmmm.... Magnu, Free Fall, Goat Willow, Adjust Me, Forge of Vulcan, Choose Your Masks, Zarozinia, and Virgin of the World. Are those 'unplayed' enough for everybody? :-) scorch From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 18:23:39 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:23:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: Suggestions for Astoria .... Seeing it As You Really Are? We Took The Wrong Steps Years Ago Children Of The Sun The Watcher (having shipped in Lemmy from mid-way through his UK gigs) Time We Left Lord Of Light Widowmaker Paradox You'd Better Believe It Dying Seas Kings Of Speed (Lemmy can now go back down the pub) Chronoglide Skyway Days Of The Underground PSI Power Urban Guerilla Levitation Living On A Knife Edge Choose Your Masks Damage Of Life War I Survived LSD The Wizard Blew His Horn (Remind me again just how many days you are playing for?) Not even sure if I'll be there yet! Any committment to at least 6 of the above could be a deciding factor though! Sorry to be so greedy, but you did ask. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ 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Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Electric Tepee gets groovy > Michael Blackman writes: > > > before i fell asleep last night i had a vision of doing a interview = > > style chat with with > > baron brock and others - that would be cool > > I've had quite a few dreams of being at Hawkwind gigs. Sometimes I can > even remember the setlist after I wake up. Even Bernhard hasn't been > able to find tapes of 'em though... > > FoFP From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:13:27 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:43:27 +1030 Subject: HW: bizarre hawkwind site Message-ID: Hawkwind Rottweillers? Indeed! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuckey, Robert To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:43 AM Subject: HW: bizarre hawkwind site > .......errrrrr, have a look at this site > http://www.acronet.net/~rottie/ > it's a Hawkwind-rottweiler page, can't be many of them around!! > > bye - Rob > -- > This communication contains information which is confidential and > may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), > please note that any distribution, copying or use of this > communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify > the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:09:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:39:50 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: I was thinking of his twin brother - the cool one!!! :) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > Michael Blackman writes: > > > to qoute a famous scientist of the future... dr cornelius smith > > > > oh the pain......the pain of it all > > Wasn't that Doctor Zachary Smith? > > Enquiring minds... > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:21:20 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:51:20 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Thats it - Im coming and I'll be damned if anyone can stop me Yaaaaaaaaaaaa Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:12:01 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:42:01 +1030 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: > Seconded. I can understand that Dave will probably want an edited > version for consumer consumption but I'm sure a lot of us would very > much appreciate the option to also obtain a full version through the passport > system or whatever. Yes? ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > Al Ogilvy writes: > > > Please put out the tapes , complete, unedited ....however imperfect they > > maybe...Audio and Video !!! > > Seconded. I can understand that Dave will probably want an edited > version for consumer consumption but I'm sure a lot of us would very > much appreciate the option to also obtain a full version through the passport > system or whatever. > > Thanks to everyone, band and fans, for their efforts. I had a really > great night both before and at the gig. Hopefully I'll see you all again > on the 29th! > > FoFP From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:23:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:53:50 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Regarding choices Option (2) sounds the best - more freedom - but passport holders and overseas travellers should have priority - PartyPartyPartyPartyParty Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:30:03 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:00:03 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Hey I would love to hear these songs played PXR5 Moonglum Levitation But if its Hawkwind thats all that matters I bet I could make my body materialize in London if I try hard enough ommmmmmmmm Mb South OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. 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Richard (who's not an Australian) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 20 19:47:04 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:47:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Those Thrilling Hawkwind Moments Message-ID: Hmmmm....I race over this bit reularly to tapes of The Wallflowers, Ozzy Osbourne, Alison Krauss, Thunder, Sugar and Tom Cochrane......come end of November I'll try Hawkwind and see if that improves matters. Andy 'eclectic and far-reaching taste in music' Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Warburton" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: HW: Those Thrilling Hawkwind Moments > It may be a little banal compared to helicopters and archaeological sites, > but I was heading South to my mother's on Friday as the first stage of my > move to the new job. A little after leaving Tebay services on the M6 (high > in the Lake District) I slipped Live '79 into the player; so I was "Shot > Down In The night" as I raced down through the dark hills, had "Motorway > City" as the sky started to light up "with an orange flame", and > "Brainstorm" whilst dealing with the madness of the Mancunian traffic... all > seemed rather apposite somehow... > > ChrisW From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 20 19:54:51 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:54:51 -0000 Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 Message-ID: Try the offices of Castle Communications (or was it Eagle Rock - no I think it was Castle) as your first port of call for it was they who put out the video, DVD and CD of the thing, and they will know who went through the hours and hours of footage to assemble what ultimately came out. Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 10:26 PM Subject: Re: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: david hall > Subject: HW; Isle Of Wight TV Prog on BBC Saturday 18.11.00 > > > >Anyone catch this. I taped it and have just finished watching it. Plenty of Mick Farren input, > and about a >10 secondclip, of I tnk, Terry Ollis, playing. > > Yup, I caught that alright. Glad someone else did too. > . > >The question is where is the rest of the film? > > That is the question. > > Steve. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 19:48:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:18:04 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Whats this about some doctor flying australians to the show I wanna seat!!!!! :) Jos kidding mon Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > How about Flying Doctor for all those Australians who turn up to the show. > > Richard (who's not an Australian) From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Mon Nov 20 20:05:49 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:05:49 +1100 Subject: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: Dave/Kris/Hawkwinders 1.Spirit of the Age 2.Levitation 3.Magnu 4.Flying Doctor (since this was only played on half the Hawklords tour) 5.Choose your Masks 6.Opa Loka please bring a show Down Under again and play Melbourne. Also any news on the planned Australia 2001 tour. regards Marty From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Mon Nov 20 20:36:05 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:36:05 +1300 Subject: Astoria suggestions. In-Reply-To: <5D01E8305096D3119D7D00508B5EBBF404C9B4CD@ntmsg0133.corpmail.telstra.com.au> Message-ID: > please bring a show Down Under again and play Melbourne. > Also any news on the planned Australia 2001 tour. > Marty Hey Marty did you happen to know two guys back about 72/73 by the names of Jerry & Daniel who ran a music stall in the old "Fleamarket Goes Under" in Melbourne ? Richard From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 20:47:42 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:47:42 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 11/18/00 Message-ID: 11/18/00 1.Nik Turner--Ghost Dance/Watching the Grass Grow (Space Ritual 1994) 2.Robert Calvert--Board Meeting/Song of the Gremlin Pt. 1 (Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters) 3.Pink Floyd--Pow R. Toc H. (Piper at the Gates of Dawn) 4.Roy Montgomery--Catherine at Aldeburgh (And Now the Rain Sounds Like Life is Falling Down Through It) 5.Skye Klad--Toxaphene (sampler of forthcoming album--thanks to Jason K) 6.Salome--Dead Princess (a.m.--thanks to Sam S) 7.Third Eye Foundation--An Even Harder Shade of Dark (You Guys Kill Me) 8.Pufftube--Quark Strangeness and Charm (Assassins of Silence, One Hundred Watt Violence ) 9.F/i--title track (Space Mantra) 10.Tangerine Dream--Nebulous Dawn (Zeit) 11.Voco Kesh--Dusk in the Garden of Voco Kesh (Paradise Revisited) 12.Maximum Coherence During Flying--Polestoker (MCDF) 13.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Nebulae (The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of...) 14.Overhang Party--Mirror (OP 4) 15.Farflung--Landing on Cydonia (25, 000 Ft. Per Second; So Many Mind, So Little Time) ("Bonus Set" between the wee a.m. hours of 2--3:30, feat. Sun Ra, Silver Apples, Architectural Metaphor, Nurse With Wound, Residents, Hawkwind, Gong, Pressurehed, Chrome, Legendary Pink Dots, B. Eno, Delerium, etc.) thanks, Chuck, see ya next week (and if you heard the show on the Web and dug it, drop me an e-mail! Is this thing on???) "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER: KUCR is now available on Windows Media Player 7.0 which many of you have already. Otherwise it can be downloaded from Microsoft for free. Connect to the Internet and open Windows Media Player. Select file from the menu and then "open URL". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 20 21:28:40 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:28:40 +0000 Subject: HW: to the BRIXTON CREW 21/10 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001119145853.009f46d0@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Dave Berry wrote: > At 01:19 17/11/00, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Well, it just wasn't loud enough was it? I had real trouble making > >things out, and Kirsten, my well-known other half, swears she couldn't > >actually hear *anything* for most of the mock-Space Ritual. > > It was plenty loud enough to my ears, which were ringing all the next day. > The sound wasn't as clear as it might have been, but that venue usually > isn't. I do agree that the sound system in the hall was irritating during > the quieter moments, but that was the fault of the sound system, not of the > band. Really? That was how I knew it hadn't been loud enough, my ears were fine... Oh well. Motorhead rang 'em a bit next night. Yours, Jon (whose ears have this night been assaulted by Orange Goblin and then Monster Magnet so that's all right. They're ringing all right) -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Mon Nov 20 22:35:17 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:35:17 +1300 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <00f501c05341$f5b47d40$1b1a28d5@starfield> Message-ID: >Kris, >Tell Dave to play Green Fin Demon. I second that. A classic Hawkwind number. Richard From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 23:40:59 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:40:59 EST Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Dear Dave and Kris, And now a party to boot! You are the best. The second option sounded a bit nicer to me, but any party you throw will be worth attending I'm certain. As to song requests. I got some of what I'd most hoped to hear in Brixton, but I could still go for a few of these that didn't make that set: Night of the Hawks PXR5 Treadmill Elric the Enchanter Nuclear Drive Any of those would send me straight into 2001 beaming sunshine. Extra glad I'm flying over now, and I was pretty darn glad before. From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 04:00:59 2000 From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:00:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Xmas party requests Message-ID: How about Web Weaver and Uncle Sam (timely what w. the Hague) Mark NP: Tangerine Dream's Force Majeure. Perhaps a bit too Mike Oldfield. From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 04:07:54 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:07:54 -0000 Subject: Party after the party! Message-ID: > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > Rehearsals start next week. "Damnation Alley", please, pretty please, with sugar on.... and "Sword Of The East" ChrisW Who might think of some others.... From m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 04:36:07 2000 From: m.s.wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:36:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <200011202258.OAA03513@bob.te-cats.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, John H. McCartney wrote: > Magnu, Free Fall, Goat Willow, Adjust Me, Forge of Vulcan, > Choose Your Masks, Zarozinia, and Virgin of the World. > > > Are those 'unplayed' enough for everybody? :-) If we are going after unplayed as well as my faves, then allow me to suggest Upside down. Mike w From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 04:22:06 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:22:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Hey, Tom, did she let you keep the red mohawk....? *ggg* ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] > > I will definitely be going to the show once again (travelling from the > states) with new girlfriend along....She has not yet heard of > Hawkwind.....can't wait! > > Hmmm..... > >--snipped--< (Has everybody forgotten how to do that?....*grouch*grouch*) From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Nov 21 05:20:33 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:20:33 +1100 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: On 20 Nov 2000, at 20:38, Kirsten Procter wrote: > I guess if I request Flying Doctor, noones going to take me > seriously, I second that! Pity I can't be there ... again. sigh! S. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Nov 21 05:25:31 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:25:31 +1100 Subject: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: On 21 Nov 2000, at 14:36, Richard Stockwell wrote: > Hey Marty did you happen to know two guys back about 72/73 by the > names of Jerry & Daniel who ran a music stall in the old "Fleamarket > Goes Under" in Melbourne ? I knew Daniel from when he ran "Pipe Imported Records" in the early 80's ..... I bought many a Hawkwind (and many other) album from him .... it was a great store, very hard to leave (Daniel insisted you listen to half his stock on every visit). Last I heard he was running a small store in Geelong (a small satellite city about an hour out of Melbourne) S. From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 05:03:53 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:03:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Festivals Vid Message-ID: Hello Folks Does anyone know the catalogue number for the Hawkwind Festivals video recently released? Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 05:52:17 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:52:17 +0000 Subject: HW VH1 Message-ID: > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > > > by hand? > > > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > Blind Drunk our blind eyes > > Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be > Master of the Universe. How soon they forget!!!? It's 'Mistress of the Universe now....... M at xine Multimedia Programmer Media Development Centre University of Portsmouth ext 3187 Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 06:11:31 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:11:31 GMT Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:55:17 -0000 Message-ID: XXX writes: > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 = > choices........ > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would = > need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has = > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly = > the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, = > Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and = > draw names out of a hat type basis. > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration = > while making decisions.............. How about getting The Emerald Hall - which was a scout hut in the middle of Hammersmith Roundabout that Nik used one year for a gig on 23rd December. It'd hold 250 at a push, has a stage, and enough room in the foyer to set up a bar. > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s = > stuff at Brixton. Seeing it As You Really Are extended version of Where Are They Now? You'd Better Believe It From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Nov 21 06:17:46 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:17:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Mike, Wasn't the whole of the Hammersmith Broadway roundabout flattened when it was redeveloped about 8 years ago? Could always have a gathering under the flyover instead - chuckle! Even better - under the M40/Westway flyover at Ladbroke Grove! (Have a good look at he piccies on the inside of X In Search of space! Seriously - there are quite a few boats moored permanently on the Thames, on the Embankment, just down from Trafalgar Square. I'm not sure of costs, but they are available for private hire. Not a million miles from the Astoria either! Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 21 November 2000 11:12 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! XXX writes: > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 = > choices........ > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would = > need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has = > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly = > the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, = > Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and = > draw names out of a hat type basis. > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration = > while making decisions.............. How about getting The Emerald Hall - which was a scout hut in the middle of Hammersmith Roundabout that Nik used one year for a gig on 23rd December. It'd hold 250 at a push, has a stage, and enough room in the foyer to set up a bar. > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s = > stuff at Brixton. Seeing it As You Really Are extended version of Where Are They Now? You'd Better Believe It From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Tue Nov 21 06:29:05 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:29:05 +1300 Subject: Astoria suggestions. In-Reply-To: <3A1AE84B.18291.41B845@localhost> Message-ID: > I knew Daniel from when he ran "Pipe Imported Records" in the early 80's ..... I bought many a > Hawkwind (and many other) album from him .... it was a great store, very hard to leave (Daniel > insisted you listen to half his stock on every visit). Last I heard he was running a small store in > Geelong (a small satellite city about an hour out of Melbourne) Its just that I knew those guys in 1972/73 when I lived in Melbourne and ran Mothers Records which became Pipe Imports once Mothers closed down. One of the guys that I remember as part of the group was a Marty Lawrence. So either you are the one and only or else there's another one from the same city. Richard Cranium Music From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 06:27:53 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:27:53 GMT Subject: outrageous Astoria suggestions Message-ID: How about a Hawkwind interpretation of the Doctor Who or UFO themes. Just for a laugh? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 06:32:02 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:32:02 GMT Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: Thomas, Guy's message of Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:17:46 -0000 Message-ID: Thomas, Guy writes: > Mike, > > Wasn't the whole of the Hammersmith Broadway roundabout flattened when it > was redeveloped about 8 years ago? Might have been. That was probably the last time I was in Hammersmith. I didn't think it was as long as 8 years ago though. Time Flies like an arrow. > Seriously - there are quite a few boats moored permanently on the Thames, on > the Embankment, just down from Trafalgar Square. I'm not sure of costs, but > they are available for private hire. Not a million miles from the Astoria > either! I heard there was a tent down by Docklands that's sizeable and not being used for much. The government will even pay 120 quid per person subsidy for folks to go there... > Guy T. FoFP From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 06:33:43 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:33:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: "Thomas, Guy" wrote: > Seriously - there are quite a few boats moored permanently on the Thames, on > the Embankment, just down from Trafalgar Square. I'm not sure of costs, but > they are available for private hire. Not a million miles from the Astoria > either! How about the '100 Club' on Oxford St and people bring instruments? Keef From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 21 06:34:49 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:34:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8CFC@LNNT47> Message-ID: > Could always have a gathering under the flyover instead - chuckle! Even > better - under the M40/Westway flyover at Ladbroke Grove! You'd be talking Subterania (yes, that is how they spell it) these days? -- Andy www.andygilham.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Nov 21 06:39:42 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:39:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Another thought would be hiring the Borderline Club. Holds about 350 people of I recall. (Saw The Pirates there back in the Summer - top notch British R&B. ) Again, not too far from the Astoria. Guy From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Tue Nov 21 06:58:22 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:58:22 +1300 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <200011211132.LAA16859@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I heard there was a tent down by Docklands that's sizeable and not being used for much. The government will even pay 120 quid per person subsidy for folks to go there... WOW !! wonder if they would subsidise my flight to London so I could take up this great offer .. Richard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 21 06:17:17 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:17:17 EDT Subject: OFF: Tom Cochrane [NO BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <009201c05356$7c258360$d99cbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 00, at 0:47, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Hmmmm....I race over this bit reularly to tapes of The Wallflowers, > Ozzy Osbourne, Alison Krauss, Thunder, Sugar and Tom > Cochrane......come end of November I'll try Hawkwind and see if that > improves matters. Andy 'eclectic and far-reaching taste in music' > Garibaldi. Hey, AG, what's Tom Cochrane up to these days? Always liked his music... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 21 06:33:50 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:33:50 EDT Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. In-Reply-To: <005101c0534f$ac92d680$4dd0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 00, at 10:42, Michael Blackman wrote: > > Seconded. I can understand that Dave will probably want an edited > > version for consumer consumption but I'm sure a lot of us would very > > much appreciate the option to also obtain a full version through the > passport > > system or whatever. > A couple years ago, Gov't Mule released their New Year's concert as a 2 CD set, followed a bit later with a 4 disc set for those who had to hear 'everything...' theo From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 21 07:40:40 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:40:40 +0000 Subject: outrageous Astoria suggestions In-Reply-To: <200011211127.LAA12954@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, M Holmes wrote: > How about a Hawkwind interpretation of the Doctor Who or UFO themes. > > Just for a laugh? This sounds perilously close to becoming a request for a cover of Rammstein 's Engel Please don't? Kirsten From IainFerguson at CS.COM Tue Nov 21 09:09:42 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:09:42 EST Subject: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: yes please Flying Doctor would be cool !!!! Bumped into Harvey Bainbridge at a service station the night before a gig at Exeter St David's Hall a number of years back, run by the local Hells Angels Chapter. Asked what my freinds and I would like to hear the answer was Flying Doctor, and they played it..Totally and utterly Cool !!!!! regards iain << 4.Flying Doctor (since this was only played on half the Hawklords tour) >> From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue Nov 21 09:52:48 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:52:48 -0700 Subject: Astoria suggestions. In-Reply-To: <00cd01c0534a$3fa90260$5446883e@jezd> Message-ID: How could I have forgotten WIDOWMAKER, just about the only piece of Captain Lockheed not yet given the proper live Hawktreatment? KevinSommers -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of J D Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:24 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Astoria suggestions. Suggestions for Astoria .... Seeing it As You Really Are? We Took The Wrong Steps Years Ago Children Of The Sun The Watcher (having shipped in Lemmy from mid-way through his UK gigs) Time We Left Lord Of Light Widowmaker Paradox You'd Better Believe It Dying Seas Kings Of Speed (Lemmy can now go back down the pub) Chronoglide Skyway Days Of The Underground PSI Power Urban Guerilla Levitation Living On A Knife Edge Choose Your Masks Damage Of Life War I Survived LSD The Wizard Blew His Horn (Remind me again just how many days you are playing for?) Not even sure if I'll be there yet! Any committment to at least 6 of the above could be a deciding factor though! Sorry to be so greedy, but you did ask. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. 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William From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 11:59:03 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:59:03 +0000 Subject: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: Quark, Strangeness & Charm Flying Doctor Seven By Seven Going To Hawaii and if Huw's there then Waiting For Tomorrow seems quite apt for the new Millenium. cheers, Keef From richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 12:03:40 2000 From: richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK (Richard Cutting/JHC) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:03:40 +0000 Subject: outrageous Astoria suggestions Message-ID: Yes and damn fine it is to. You can find it on a album entitled 'Chaos Delight'. Richard. William Duffy cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: outrageous Astoria suggestions BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List 21/11/00 16:58 Please respond to BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > How about a Hawkwind interpretation of the Doctor Who or UFO themes. > > Just for a laugh? Hasn't Alan Davey not recorded a version of the UFO theme recently? And, if so, where can I get it! William From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 21 13:20:19 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:20:19 -0000 Subject: Gong Edinburgh: Message-ID: Anyone know what the Liquid Rooms are like in Edinburgh? I'm considering Gong on Sunday Night! Rich From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Nov 21 13:18:21 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:18:21 -0800 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Heh, you could probably get the Dome on the cheap..... :) From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 21 13:24:17 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:24:17 -0000 Subject: Astoria suggestions. Message-ID: Hey Dave, What About Green Finned Demon ;-) Followed by a Cover of 'Another Girl, Another Planet' by the Only Ones, back to back with 'Spaceman' by Babylon Zoo ;-) Rich From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Nov 21 12:32:56 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:32:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Astoria suggestions. In-Reply-To: <004701c053e8$42c070c0$7b60063e@bop> Message-ID: > Hey Dave, > > What About Green Finned Demon ;-) > > Followed by a Cover of 'Another Girl, Another Planet' by the Only Ones, back > to back with 'Spaceman' by Babylon Zoo ^^^^^^^^^ Play the single version. Much better than on the album, IMHO. ;-) I cant travel to England any time soon, but I'd like to see people writing to BOC-L afterwards about the astounding performance of "Alien I Am." Then again, I've never seen the band, so I haven't heard it on recent tours. Second choice: "Flying Doctor" (1st HW song I ever heard and also very popular hereabouts.) Brian -- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com > ;-) > > Rich From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Nov 21 13:52:59 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:52:59 -0800 Subject: from bad to worse in Yorkshire Message-ID: Having a tough time of it over there, I say..... ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- http://www.gofree.co.uk/home/humour/ukfloods/york.html It goes from bad to worse in Yorkshire, England. ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 21 14:59:22 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:59:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need > some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions > as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the > Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) > The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a > hat type basis. I?d prefer 1). As I haven?t found a place to stay yet... > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff > at Brixton. What I DON`T want to hear is: "Hassan I Sahna" "Silver Machine" What I would LOVE to hear is: "Treadmill" "Damnation Alley" "High Rise" Andreas From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 15:27:34 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:27:34 EST Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Wow..this keeps getting better all the time !! Long as the party's all night I dont care where it is ! Seriously though ; Numbers I'd like to hear ; High Rise Steppenwolf Urban Guerrilla Utopia Night of the Hawks And you can include silver machine again as long as Sam Fox is invited !!!!! Getting more excited by the minute !! Alistair From starfield at SUPANET.COM Tue Nov 21 17:09:03 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:09:03 -0000 Subject: HW: X In Search of Space Message-ID: I once read that Bob Calvert appears on the In Search of Space sleeve, if so, which photo? Am I right in thinking that Paul Rudolph and Russell Hunter are also pictured on the live shots inside the sleeve? Captain Black. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Web Email & Filter Enhancements. http://www.freewebemail.com/filtertools/ ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:52 AM Subject: Re: HW VH1 > > > > > > > I demand a recount! > > > > > > > > > by hand? > > > > > > > > Nah. I want it done by blind dwarves. > > > > > Blind Drunk our blind eyes > > > > Both! And I'm going to sue and sue until I get my way. I will, I will be > > Master of the Universe. > > How soon they forget!!!? It's 'Mistress of the Universe now....... > > > M at xine > > Multimedia Programmer > Media Development Centre > University of Portsmouth > ext 3187 > > Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 21 19:14:08 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:14:08 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tom Cochrane [NO BOC/HW] Message-ID: After the superb 'Ragged Ass Road' album in '97, he did the slightly less exceptional 'X-Ray Sierra' at the end on '98, and then there was scheduled a triple CD comp called 'Ashes To Diamonds' containg a fair wadge of live and previously unreleased tracks, but even though it's supposed to be out in the USA, I've never yet had a copy through, so if anyone in the USA has seen a copy of this, do let me know. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: OFF: Tom Cochrane [NO BOC/HW] > On 21 Nov 00, at 0:47, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > Hmmmm....I race over this bit reularly to tapes of The Wallflowers, > > Ozzy Osbourne, Alison Krauss, Thunder, Sugar and Tom > > Cochrane......come end of November I'll try Hawkwind and see if that > > improves matters. Andy 'eclectic and far-reaching taste in music' > > Garibaldi. > > Hey, AG, what's Tom Cochrane up to these days? Always liked his > music... > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 21 19:15:06 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:15:06 -0000 Subject: HW: A few more Brixton comments. Message-ID: .....so when's the 90 CD Hawkwind box set coming then?????? Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Jackson jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: Re: HW: A few more Brixton comments. > On 21 Nov 00, at 10:42, Michael Blackman wrote: > > > > Seconded. I can understand that Dave will probably want an edited > > > version for consumer consumption but I'm sure a lot of us would very > > > much appreciate the option to also obtain a full version through the > > passport > > > system or whatever. > > > A couple years ago, Gov't Mule released their New Year's concert as > a 2 CD set, followed a bit later with a 4 disc set for those who had to > hear 'everything...' > > theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 21 19:21:24 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:21:24 -0000 Subject: outrageous Astoria suggestions Message-ID: On the 'Chaos Delight' CD or vinyl LP which we still have here at the CDS Dungeons. Andy G. agcdser at aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Duffy" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: outrageous Astoria suggestions > > How about a Hawkwind interpretation of the Doctor Who or UFO themes. > > > > Just for a laugh? > > Hasn't Alan Davey not recorded a version of the UFO theme recently? And, if > so, where can I get it! > > William From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 21 19:31:19 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:31:19 -0000 Subject: HW - Brockspace Message-ID: 6 days to go, 6 days to go, ee aye addey o - 6 days to go........ (Old school football chant for our USA and offshore friends.) Yes - Brockspace in here next week - should be fun. Andy Garibaldi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 21 22:47:10 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:47:10 -0600 Subject: HW: Astoria gig Message-ID: Well, I just found a good fare, so it looks like I'll be back over for the Astoria gig. Questions for those more knowledgeable than I: So I don't repeat the mistakes of the Hawkestra, where should I order from that doesn't do weird "prebooking", but actual tix? Does the Astoria have seating available, or is it standing room only? If I send in for my passport now, will it get there in time for the gig? As I don't have a place to crash yet, I'd like to pick Dave B.'s #1 option (get everyone to stay at a hotel and party there.) Are folks meeting at a pub or something beforehand? (similar to the hawkestra?) Arin (btw, for US Hawkfans...travelocity was listing fares for $300 to get to london (from here in chicago.) might be worth exploring.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Nov 21 22:30:57 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:30:57 -0600 Subject: XMAS UPDATES Message-ID: Hey Rik! I tried to call that number from the U.S. and I can't get through....anyone know the right dialling sequence from here? Otherwise, I guess I'll try the UK ticketmaster site and pay the extra service charge. Anyhow, I got my plane tickets, and am looking forward to hanging out in London for the Millennium celebration with the idea of Hawkwind being the main reason of going there. Is there anything else happening in London that weekend (New Years Eve)after HW that would be worth checking out...(other than Les Miserables, puhleeze!). A real bar with real people with real music would be a great start! Or even a wierd bar with wierd people with wierd music would be OK as well! Thanks! Tom Rik Rx wrote: > STAR WARRIORS > > ++INFORMATION UPDATE ON XMAS GIG UPLOADED > Direct ticket sales point arranged @ ?15.00 > with no hidden fees..... TEL:0191 512 1103 > More details on Mission Control Updates...... > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > MESSAGE ENDS++ From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 03:15:03 2000 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:15:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria gig Message-ID: Subject: HW: Astoria gig > Well, I just found a good fare, so it looks like I'll be back over > for the Astoria gig. > > Questions for those more knowledgeable than I: > > So I don't repeat the mistakes of the Hawkestra, where should I order > from that doesn't do weird "prebooking", but actual tix? The Astoria2 wasn`t bothered about it when I used tickets I bought from the same place I got my Hawkestra tickets. They just let me through. The main Astoria is probably the same. But if you use the link on mission control it would be cheaper as well and you shouldn`t run into any problems. >> Does the Astoria have seating available, or is it standing room only? Seating upstairs, standing downstairs. > If I send in for my passport now, will it get there in time for the > gig? They said they`d have a list of applications at the door if the actual passport hasn`t arrived in time. Si From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 22 03:09:34 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:09:34 -0800 Subject: HW: Codex Update Weird 101-105 Message-ID: Here are the updated Codex entries for the tracks on Weird 101-105 that need updating, based on the previous Codex of 3/3/98. Things to keep in mind: 1) Dave Brock solo tracks from 101 are NOT included in this update. 2) These updates take into account the release of 'Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures' and 'Atomhenge 76', but this update does NOT include Codex updates for all the tracks on 'Atomhenge 76', only those which require updating for other reasons. 3) In some cases, I've edited the updates for clarity, so don't replace the entire entry; for instance, the update for "Fifth Second of Forever" only removes the Watchfield track and indicates a required renumbering; all the reissues of Zones/Do Not Panic with the track on it aren't listed. Use your powers of observation and judgement. 4) No CD-R's listed. -Doug ceres at sirius.com Here they are, let me know what I missed ... -------------------------------------------------------------- Circles SEE: Hash Cake 77 SEE: Fifth Second of Forever The Fifth Second Of Forever 1 Levitation 1 etc. 2 Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Circles} L 3 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic {Circles} L 3 Utopia 1984 {Circles} L 3 etc. SEE ALSO: Hash Cake 77 {Circles} Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" L 2 Thrilling Adventures L 2 Atomhenge 76 L 3 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Live At Reading '86 L 6 Italian "Vinile" freebie single {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Assassins of Allah LP L 7 a The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Assassins of Allah} L 7 b California Brainstorm {Assassins of Allah} L 8 Love In Space {Assassins} L 9 The Ambient Anarchists {Assassin} * 1a is an edit of 1 * 3 and 4 are from the same tour * 7a and 7b are from the same tour * 9 is the segue at the end of Space Is Their Palestine Hash Cake 77 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals {Circles} 1 a Acid Daze Vol. II * 1a has a 25-second spoken intro, but the music fades out sooner High Rise L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals (5.37) L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 a etc. L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 PXR5 [LP only] L 2 Repeat Performance L 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] (4.40) L 2 Tales From Atom Henge L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 PXR5 [CD only] (4.36) L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour, and 4 from the same lineup * Version 2 appeared on the PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the PXR5 CD. * 1b has the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) * This track is listed but not present on The Ambient Anarchists The Iron Dream 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" L 2 Weird 103 - Free Festivals end of Uncle Sams On Mars} L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 end of Uncle Sams On Mars} L 4 The Business Trip {The Dream Goes On} 5 Area S4 EP {Are You Losing Your Mind?} 5 Alien4 {Are You Losing Your Mind?} L 6 Love In Space {Are You Losing Your Mind?} * versions 2 & 3 not listed * versions 5 & 6 have lyrics added Robot L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals (7.21) L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 2 Friends And Relations I (8.18) L 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 2 Victoria double album L 2 b Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 2 c Golden Void [Cleopatra/Purple Pyramid] (5.50) L 2 a PXR5 (8.14) L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Love In Space * 1, 2 and 3 were recorded in succession, months apart * 2a is an edit of 2 * 2b is a cut of 2 * 2c is a shorter cut of 2 Slap it on the Table SEE: Watchfield Festival Spirit Of The Age L 1 Orgasmatron {Starfarer's Despatch} 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 3 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 3 a Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 6 The Hawklords Live L 7 Live '79 L 7 Acid Daze Vol. I L 7 etc. L 8 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 9 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes) * version 3a fades at the end; version 3 flows into version 4 of Sonic Attack * version 4 is from the same tour as 3 * the sound quality of versions 7 varies considerably * version 9 consists of four mixes performed by Astralasia Steppenwolf 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Repeat Performance 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Atomhenge 76 L 3 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 * versions 3 & 4 are from the same lineup Uncle Sam's On Mars L 1 Atomhenge 76 L 1 Thrilling Adventures L 2 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 2 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 3 PXR5 L 3 The Ambient Anarchists L 3 Repeat Performance L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 5 a Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Red Planet Radio Mix) 5 b Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Martian Conquest Mix) * versions 2 & 4 include The Iron Dream as a finale * 5a and 5b are remixes by Swordfish / Astralasia Watchfield Festival L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II (11.48) L 1 a Weird 103 - Free Festivals (4.26) {Slap it on the Table} * version 1a is edited from version 1 Who's Gonna Win The War? L 1 a Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock (4.55) L 1 Friends And Relations I (5.55) L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 b Night Of The Hawk L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 b Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" L 2 etc. * 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 22 03:09:45 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:09:45 -0800 Subject: HW: More on Weird 101-105 Message-ID: Here's more analysis of the material on the Weird Tape CD's that I put together to help with the update to the Codex. I found a few things that probably need to be changed, so I'll post new entries in a separate message. The Codex entries refer to the 3/3/98 version, and most of the renumbering acounts for the 'Atomhenge 76'/'Thrilling Adventures' tracks being sequenced in chronological order. There are a few places where I changed the previous numbering for various reasons. Let me know what sort of errors you find ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com WEIRD 101 ========= Over the Top (7.49) [7.53] same as version 1 in the Codex Magnu (3.19) [3.12] same as version 2 in the Codex Angels of Death (5.16) [1.11] version 1 in the Codex should become version 1a (fades out) This becomes version 1 in the Codex Free Fall (8.00) [7.54] version 1 in the Codex could become version 1a (fades in) This could become version 1 in the Codex (starts cold) Death Trap (5.03) [4.30] version 1 in the Codex should become version 1a (fades out) This becomes version 1 in the Codex Who's Gonna Win the War (4.54) [5.55] This is close to the 1c version in the Codex Version 1a should probably become version 1 It's the shorter "single" version Does the original Weird Tape have the full-length version? WEIRD 102 ========= Quark, Strangeness & Charm (2.38) [2.38] version 2 in the Codex Master of the Universe (4.44) version 11 in the Codex Welcome to the Future (2.10) version 6 in the Codex Spirit of the Age (5.50) [5.57] version 3a in the Codex should become version 4 (different recording, same era) version 3 in the Codex should become version 3a (fades out at end) This becomes version 3 in the Codex (flows into "Sonic Attack" version 4 in the Codex) Sonic Attack (5.27) is now version 5 (old version 4) in the Codex Valium 10 (7.57) [7.51] version 1 in the Codex (this version seems to be identical despite the slight time discrepency) Douglas in the Jungle (6.55) [6.53] version 1 in the Codex Time Of ... (5.33) [4.07] version 1 in the Codex WEIRD 103 ========= High Rise (5.37) [5.41] version 1 in the Codex Damnation Alley (parts 1&2) (8.00) version 2 in the Codex this is only part 1 - it cuts off and there is no part 2 Uncle Sam's On Mars (6.33) is now version 2 (old version 1) in the Codex includes "The Iron Dream" (should be new version 2 in the Codex) Robot (7.21) This is different from version 1 in the Codex It should become version 1 in the Codex I believe the original version 1 (Friends & Relations vol.1) is actually version 2 (PXR5) Circles (4.44) aka Hash Cake 77 [4.50] This sounds like 1977, not Watchfield 75 Hash Cake 77 has a spoken intro (0.25) and fades out sooner than Circles I Am the Eye (4.29) This actually sounds like a Watchfield 75 recording It becomes version 1 Slap it on the Table (4.26) [11.48 - "Watchfield Festival" track] This becomes Watchfield Festival version 1a It's an edit of version 1 with at least one splice ... there's also a 50-second rant at the end of the CD WEIRD 104 ========= Death Trap (6.21) version 3 in the Codex Micro Man (3.40) version 2 in the Codex Spirit of the Age (9.25) is now version 5 (old version 4) in the Codex Urban Guerilla (5.18) version 3 in the Codex Steppenwolf (9.07) is now version 5 (old version 4) in the Codex Free Fall (5.28) version 2 in the Codex Uncle Sam's on Mars (8.33) is now version 4 (old version 2) in the Codex includes "The Iron Dream" (now version 3 - old version 2 - in the Codex) WEIRD 105 ========= Back on the Streets (Calvert/Rudolph) (3.50) is now version 3 (old version 2) in the Codex Chronoglide Skyway (Powell) (5.09) mislabeled as City of Lagoons is now version 3 (old version 2) in the Codex Brainstorm (Turner) (7.25) is now version 9 (old version 8) in the Codex Wind of Change (Brock) (4.07) is now version 4 (old version 3) in the Codex Assassins of Allah (Calvert/Rudolph) (7.17) is now version 3 (old version 2) in the Codex Forge of Vulcan (House) (2.33) version 1 in the Codex Steppenwolf (Calvert/Brock) (10.29) is now version 3 (old version 2) in the Codex Where Are They Now? (Brock) (2.19) version 1 in the Codex From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Wed Nov 22 03:34:22 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:34:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: Gong - Edinburgh Message-ID: >Anyone know what the Liquid Rooms are like in Edinburgh? >I'm considering Gong on Sunday Night! >Rich Was talking to Mike Holmes about this last night and we were in agreement - tis a dump and a poor venue. Having said that I'm still planning on going:-) So if you fancy a beer before give me a shout. Stuart The Rocker - On-line distributor for all your space psychedelic and rock requirements Top 40 CDs from ?8.49 http://www.the-rocker.co.uk Zeitgeist Web Design - http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk Zeitgeist e-zine - http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 04:29:09 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:29:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:32:02 GMT > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > Thomas, Guy writes: > > > Mike, > > > > Wasn't the whole of the Hammersmith Broadway roundabout flattened when it > > was redeveloped about 8 years ago? > > Might have been. That was probably the last time I was in Hammersmith. I > didn't think it was as long as 8 years ago though. Time Flies like an arrow. ...and fruit flies like a banana..... M at xine From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 05:56:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: The DVD of HW: live chronicles apparently includes some rare footage of Mike Moorcock performing with the band - anyone know what this is and which year it was from? Steve From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 04:29:18 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:29:18 -0000 Subject: HW - Brockspace Message-ID: Andy Do you have a track list for this yet? Any idea how different it is from the version already out there? Cheers Dave >6 days to go, 6 days to go, ee aye addey o - 6 days to go........ >(Old school football chant for our USA and offshore friends.) >Yes - Brockspace in here next week - should be fun. >Andy Garibaldi. From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 06:00:33 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:00:33 +0000 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: Steve Litchfield wrote: > The DVD of HW: live chronicles apparently includes some rare footage of > Mike Moorcock performing with the band - anyone know what this is and > which year it was from? Not sure about the DVD but the video is from the 1985 Black Sword tour. Keef -- Senior Systems Administrator Phone:0207 973 4000 Cinesite (Europe) Ltd. Direct:0207 973 4306 9 Carlisle Street Fax:0207 973 4047 London W1V 5RG mailto:keithb at cinesite.co.uk +++++ http://www.cinesite.co.uk +++++ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 06:05:41 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:05:41 GMT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Rich's message of Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:20:19 -0000 Message-ID: Rich writes: > Anyone know what the Liquid Rooms are like in Edinburgh? > > I'm considering Gong on Sunday Night! It's not a great venue - very cramped. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 06:07:36 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:07:36 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkestra 21.10.2000 In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:49:17 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > Dear All, > sorry to keep thrashing on with the tracklist, but it > comes to me now I consider the matter: did anyone else think there was > minute or two of `Shade Gate' before `Moonglum'? Only I didn't see it on > the "final" tracklist and now I'm wondering if I imagined it. Yours, I heard it too. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 06:09:04 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:09:04 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria gig In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:47:10 -0600 Message-ID: Arin Komins writes: > As I don't have a place to crash yet, I'd like to pick Dave B.'s #1 > option (get everyone to stay at a hotel and party there.) I'd go for that. I'll hold off booking a hotel to see if this can be organised. FoFP From cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 06:12:20 2000 From: cwarburton at RDF-CONSULTING.CO.UK (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:12:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: M at xine.... get yer coat ;-{P> ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxine Wesley [mailto:maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK] > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > Time Flies like an arrow. > > ...and fruit flies like a banana..... > > M at xine > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 06:14:17 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:14:17 GMT Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: Steve Litchfield's message of Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:56:00 +0000 Message-ID: Steve Litchfield writes: > The DVD of HW: live chronicles apparently includes some rare footage of > Mike Moorcock performing with the band - anyone know what this is and > which year it was from? Hammersmith on the 1985 Chronicles tour. FoFP From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 22 06:27:45 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:57:45 +1030 Subject: chat room Message-ID: Any one wanna try the electric tepee chat room? I'll be there 22/11/00 9:57pm australian time -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 22 06:33:07 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:03:07 +1030 Subject: chatski Message-ID: Would a url help :) http://members.nbci.com/michaelangelo1968/ come haave a chatski doods Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 22 06:15:19 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:15:19 EDT Subject: OFF: Tom Cochrane [NO BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <01c801c05419$eb00fd00$2a1abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 22 Nov 00, at 0:14, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > After the superb 'Ragged Ass Road' album in '97, he did the slightly > less exceptional 'X-Ray Sierra' at the end on '98, and then there was > scheduled a triple CD comp called 'Ashes To Diamonds' containg a fair > wadge of live and previously unreleased tracks, but even though it's > supposed to be out in the USA, I've never yet had a copy through, so > if anyone in the USA has seen a copy of this, do let me know. Andy I'll keep my ear to the ground for it. Maybe the folks in Canada will have a better chance of finding it? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 22 06:17:12 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:17:12 EDT Subject: HW VH1 In-Reply-To: <01c101c05419$e43a1060$2a1abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 00, at 23:46, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > or 'Princess Of The Universe' if you're a Todd Rundgren fan!!!! > Andy Garibaldi. Had the good fortune to see Todd this past summer. In a power trio format, no less. Excellent show, but he played too long, to the point that headliners, BOC no less, got short-sheeted, and wound up only playing about 45 minutes... theo From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 22 07:48:13 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:18:13 +1030 Subject: help me test electric tepee chatroom Message-ID: i'll keep an eye on the chat room now to see if anyone joins whilst I add a few names to the Electric Tepee Hall of fame eg; those who have ordered my shhtuffff regards Michael B B= gonna B at Astoria if I have to swim dag nab it!!!!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 22 08:48:27 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:48:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: King Cirimson @ Berklee last night Message-ID: well, all I can say is AAAAARGH! That was the most amazing concert I've ever been to!!! Setlist included "Frame by frame", a brilliant jam introducing "Oyster soup" (note Oyster), an acoustic "3 of a perfect pair" for the 1st encore - out of 4, others including "Red" and "Heroes" (I was told R. Fripp played the guitar on the original Bowie recording). trey Gunn was playing something weird which I think was a Warr guitar and in the the mix it was perfect, crystal clear. Excellent mood throughout the night... can't wait for the next tour (or perhaps me moving back to Europe, one never knows...) Johnny _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Nov 22 09:09:13 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:09:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkestra 21.10.2000 Message-ID: I thought that Moonglum started directly out of the last throes of Rocky Paths? May be wrong - usually am! Guy T -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 22 November 2000 11:08 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Hawkestra 21.10.2000 Jon Jarrett writes: > Dear All, > sorry to keep thrashing on with the tracklist, but it > comes to me now I consider the matter: did anyone else think there was > minute or two of `Shade Gate' before `Moonglum'? Only I didn't see it on > the "final" tracklist and now I'm wondering if I imagined it. Yours, I heard it too. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 22 09:33:53 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:33:53 +0800 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: > > The DVD of HW: live chronicles apparently includes some rare footage of > > Mike Moorcock performing with the band - anyone know what this is and > > which year it was from? > > Not sure about the DVD but the video is from the 1985 Black Sword tour. The DVD doesn't have anything new that was on the recent video releases (unless you have the earlier official release). The encore wasn't available on some of the previous releases (about 10 extra minutes), and the extra bonus track of Needle Gun is basically the same live version, with various other bits from the concert added to it. William From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 21 03:19:28 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:19:28 -0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk Message-ID: How much for the beeb? :-) Cheers, RIch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Holmes" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: www.hawkwind.org.uk > Rich writes: > > > Roll on the Christamas Gig! Before I Open an Orphanage for Obsolescent > > Computers. > > I have a beeb, 2 Masters, and an Apple IIE sitting around in cupboards. > > FoFP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Nov 22 12:08:20 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:08:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkestra 21.10.2000 In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8D02@LNNT47> Message-ID: At 14:09 22.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: >I thought that Moonglum started directly out of the last throes >of Rocky Paths? >May be wrong - usually am! You are not wrong Guy! Bernhard From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 22 13:50:43 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:50:43 -0000 Subject: HW - Brockspace Message-ID: No, no and no. Like all of you, with this one, I have to wait until it arrives - hope VP are as good as their word on the delivery date!! Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bottomley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: HW - Brockspace > Andy > > Do you have a track list for this yet? Any idea how different it is from the > version already out there? > > Cheers > > Dave > > > >6 days to go, 6 days to go, ee aye addey o - 6 days to go........ > >(Old school football chant for our USA and offshore friends.) > >Yes - Brockspace in here next week - should be fun. > >Andy Garibaldi. From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 22 13:58:45 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:58:45 -0500 Subject: HW: TOTALROCK PARTY Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS Dave,Kris and Simon are at the Totalrock party in London at the moment, which should be online now !! listen via http://www.totalrock.com/ or go to the updates page of Mission Contol to launch the RealAudio stream direct........ FINISHES 11PM GMT ++MESSAGE ENDS From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 22 14:16:37 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:16:37 -0500 Subject: ERRATUM !!! Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS PLEASE DISREGUARD THE POST RE; LIVE PARTY UNTIL FRIDAY ! THAT WAS A TEST FILE THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSTED UNTIL THE DAY HOWEVER, ON FRIDAY 25TH NOV BETWEEN 18.00-23.00 GMT THE TOTALROCK SHOW WILL INDEED BE BROADCAST AS STATED APOLOGIES FOR ANY PROBLEMS CAUSED ++MESSAGE ENDS From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 22 14:29:19 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:29:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: King Cirimson @ Berklee last night Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:48:27 -0000, Johnny Firic wrote: >"Heroes" (I was told R. Fripp >played the guitar on the original Bowie recording Yes, and the 'Heroes' tour (documented with the 'Stage' double-LP) has Adrian Belew (KC) on lead guitar and Simon House (Hawkwind, of course) on violin ... sounds to me like Simon is replicating some of Fripp's leads on violin on that version of "Heroes". -Doug ceres at sirius.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 14:40:59 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:40:59 +0000 Subject: ERRATUM !!! In-Reply-To: <200011221916.OAA22177@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In message <200011221916.OAA22177 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx writes >++STAR WARRIORS > >PLEASE DISREGUARD THE POST RE; LIVE PARTY UNTIL FRIDAY ! >THAT WAS A TEST FILE THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSTED >UNTIL THE DAY > >HOWEVER, ON FRIDAY 25TH NOV BETWEEN 18.00-23.00 GMT >THE TOTALROCK SHOW WILL INDEED BE BROADCAST AS STATED > >APOLOGIES FOR ANY PROBLEMS CAUSED > >++MESSAGE ENDS So would that be Friday 24th or Saturday 25th?! -- Nick Medford From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 22 14:50:06 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:50:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Totalrock party online Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS IT SEEM MADNESS IS SETTING IN AT THIS END ARRRGH ! THIS IS THE CORRRECT INFO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTED AS THE ERRATUM SORRY ALL !! PLEASE DISREGUARD THE POST RE; LIVE PARTY THAT WAS A TEST FILE THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSTED UNTIL SATURDAY ! HOWEVER, ON SATURDAY 25TH NOV BETWEEN 18.00-23.00 GMT THE TOTALROCK SHOW WILL INDEED BE BROADCAST AS STATED APOLOGIES FOR ANY PROBLEMS CAUSED ++MESSAGE ENDS From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Nov 22 14:54:20 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:54:20 -0800 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd Message-ID: What's the availability of this, and will it play on a US dvd player? scorch From deltawave at METRONET.COM Wed Nov 22 15:13:43 2000 From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:13:43 -0600 Subject: HW: The Uninvited -BRAINSTORM Message-ID: Dave.....can you have someone tell me why one of my three BBC LP's has a different "Mix" "Balancing" levels on it....this different copy is the one that has scratches on it, but I suspect it is worth more than the house I live in??? It is supposed to be going out to my friend in Germany ...AHHHHHHH..Tonight...it's overdue...AHHHH.....SCRAMBLING for a metal tape/ regular CRO2....do both..... can't resist saying: Come in ADRIAN PARR....2 wrongs don't make right...help me escape this hell...I'll pay you more than I owe you....and the rest (of you) I eventually have to settle with...Yours..Mike "The Reject".... From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Nov 22 15:36:45 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:36:45 GMT Subject: HW: X In Search of Space Message-ID: Captain Black wrote: > I once read that Bob Calvert appears on the In Search of Space sleeve, if so, which photo? > >Am I right in thinking that Paul Rudolph and Russell Hunter are also pictured on the live shots inside the sleeve? > >Captain Black. Somone once told me that the Bob is in the photo on the extreme left of the fold-out, He's smiling and holding what looks like a mic to his face. He's standing behind the chap holding the cymbal. Don't know if its really him or not. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Wed Nov 22 16:34:22 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:34:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Tone wants to hear Green Fin Demon as well. Captain Black. ------------------------------------------------------------ Free Web Email & Filter Enhancements. http://www.freewebemail.com/filtertools/ ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Nov 22 18:08:11 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:08:11 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Two eighties numbers I would like to hear are DAMAGE OF LIFE , and CAJUN JINX. Whatever the set list, I think personally that rather than cramming in as many songs as possible, longer versions of each number would be appreciated anyone agree? Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 22 18:16:53 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:16:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Spirit / Solstice for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody wanna buy a copy of HAWKWIND's 1993 4 track EP/CD Spirit Of The Age : Solstice Remixes ? 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Mb We are currently experiencing intermittent technical difficulties with some of our member servers. If your account is located on an affected server, you may experience 404, Forbidden Access and/or FTP errors. All of these issues have been reported to our NetOPS department, who are currently working on a solution. At this time no ETR (Estimated Time of Repair) has been provided to us, but you can check the status of the problem by clicking SITE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 22:58:17 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:58:17 EST Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd Message-ID: I've seen that both Insound(insound.com) and CDNow(cdnow.com) have it listed for sale. Insound is charging $18.57 for it, and CDNow is charging $17.47 for it,'cause they're having a 30% off sale for a while, don't know how long it will last, tho'. 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Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace OK folx... two part post: 1.)Crimso - Doug nailed the Bowie/HW connections nicely, so I'll do the rest. It is indeed a Warr guitar that Trey Gunn uses, it's a (more expensive) cousin of the Chapman Stick. The acoustic "3 of a Perfect Pair" was one of the highlights of the London show, with the audience actually managing to clap in time! Were you lucky enough to get FraKctured? At Shepherds Bush, some tw*t let off a flashgun at the crucial moment, so RF got put off and they didn't play it 8-{(> If you want more, the 3CD "Heavy ConstruKction" live set from the European tour is out - http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com for mailorder. One of the discs has some live video on (which Ihaven't watched yet). The first two are the "live album" and the thirs disc is an assemblage of Improv material from the tour (kinda like Thrakattak!)... Guess what's top of my listening list tonight. 2.) The reason I haven't played it yet is due to the arrival of "Curly's Airships" by Chris "Judge" Smith, once of VdGG. I found the website, http://www.curlysairships.com by accident about 3 or 4 years ago. It's an extraordinary "songstory" (CJS's term) about the R.101 airship disaster and the story leading up to it, as seen through the eyes of Curly, an imaginary 3rd officer. The website alone is a wonderful piece of work, and the CD set is wonderfully presented... Get out there guys & support a maverick and true independent - he spent seven years putting it together. The music is difficult to describe, with a variety of styles used to illustrate the libretto: I guess it loosely falls into the prog genre. CJS's vocals are delivered in a "sprechstimme" fashion. It's not really like VdGG, but you can hear the connection: not surprising with Hugh Banton on organ and Dave Jackson on saxes and anybody who is/was a fan should like it. Guest voices include Arthur Brown; some ambient sounds were recorded in the great airship hangar at Cardington (yes, it's still standing) and some of the organ parts were recorded in Beauvais Cathedral - Beauvais is where the stricken craft finally flew into a hillside in a terrible storm. I'll shurrup now, ChrisW > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnny Firic [mailto:johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:48 PM > Subject: OFF: King Cirimson @ Berklee last night > > > well, all I can say is AAAAARGH! That was the most amazing > concert I've ever been to!!! Setlist included "Frame by > frame", a brilliant jam introducing "Oyster soup" (note > Oyster), an acoustic "3 of a perfect pair" for the 1st > encore - out of 4, others including "Red" and "Heroes" (I was > told R. Fripp played the guitar on the original Bowie > recording). trey Gunn was playing something weird which I > think was a Warr guitar and in the the mix it was > perfect, crystal clear. Excellent mood throughout the > night... can't wait > for the next tour (or perhaps me moving back to Europe, one > never knows...) From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 23 06:17:32 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 21:47:32 +1030 Subject: Astoria Astoria where for art thou Astoria Message-ID: Ha ha Ticket ordered & on its way momma Michael B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 06:25:07 2000 From: richard.cutting at JHC.CO.UK (Richard Cutting/JHC) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:25:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: I'd love to hear 'Free Fall'or 'Star Cannibals'. Richard. 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Keef From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 07:24:04 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:24:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: KC & Curly's Airships (read even if you're not a Frippophile ) Message-ID: >some ambient sounds were recorded in the great airship >hangar at Cardington (yes, it's still standing) Interesting aside - One of the two hangers at Cardington used to be (and may still be) used by bands to rehearse their mega-stadium shows. They're not in the best state of repair anyway & the occasional week-long onslaught of AC/DC or whoever can't help matters ;@) Amazing acoustics, though. Dave From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 08:03:46 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:03:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Since virtually the complete works of the band have now been requested, it may seem unnecessary to add another post. But the track I would love to hear above all others is Paradox- I know it's been in and out of the set over the years but I have never heard it performed live and it's one of my absolute favourite songs by HW or anyone else for that matter. Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the 80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 23 11:39:24 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:39:24 -0000 Subject: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Just thought I'd my tuppenyworth! Definitely agree that Paradox would be fantastic (especially if Dave sings the full down-down bit as on the LP!) "Dust of time" would be rather nice to hear again too! I think the last time we got that was when it was conjoined with Magnu and Dream-worker, on the November 1984 tour. OK - it was on the BBC 1985 session too, in the same format - hey just do the whole "Magnu-Dream-Worker of Time" again! Another track could be Brainbox pollution! Guy T. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 23 11:43:26 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:43:26 -0000 Subject: HW: 12-bar songs Message-ID: Just thinking about Brainbox Pollution, and wondering which other Hawkwind songs are 12 bar tracks. I can think of: Brainbox Pollution Sweet Mistress of Pain The Right Stuff (ish!) Guy T. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 23 11:54:12 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:54:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Booktastic Message-ID: Dear All, currently at work at an online second-hand bookstore, cataloguing, and what has passed through my hands except a copy of _Stonehenge Decoded_? Didn't even know it existed... Seems to be an easily-obtainable book too so chances are I shall be able to walk off with it :-) Hee hee, yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 13:07:40 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:07:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Medford To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Requests > Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has > it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the > 80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. Yes - it's on tapes of Woolwich and Manchester from 1989 summer gigs with Simon House. Ian From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 23 13:46:30 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:46:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: >Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has >it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the >80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. > I'll get this in before Bernhard. The band played Damage of Life during the '89 Stonehenge or Bust Tour and I think at the Calvert tribute. Nick From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Nov 23 14:00:11 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:00:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests In-Reply-To: <003801c0557d$b3a23940$db44a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: Hi there At 18:46 23.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: >>Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has >>it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the >>80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. >> > >I'll get this in before Bernhard. :-)))))))))) >The band played Damage of Life during the'89 Stonehenge or Bust Tour and I think at the >Calvert tribute. Sorry to disappoint you Nick. But the 1st time DOL was played was on 02.06.1989 (St. Albans) Bernhard From hawkswede at TELIA.COM Thu Nov 23 14:38:33 2000 From: hawkswede at TELIA.COM (Hawkswede) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:38:33 +0100 Subject: Off: Message-ID: test -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 23 15:15:47 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:15:47 GMT Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Nick Wrote: >Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has >it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the >80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. As already mentioned DoL has been performed live before. I heard it at Manchester in 89 and it sounded superb, with Dave's crashing chords dominating the song. It's a great track to hear live which is why I requested it. Mick May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM Thu Nov 23 15:22:03 2000 From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:22:03 -0000 Subject: Damage of Life Message-ID: I have a tape of that show (St. Albans '89), I think - done off the desk too! (I don't want to get anyone into trouble, so...........:-) It was done for a friend/acquaintance's birthday, who then copied it for me for mine. About 40-45 minutes long. No track listing, but from what I hear its: 1 - Lives of Great Men/Assault and Battery 2 - Void of Golden Light/The Golden Void 3 - Back in the Box 4 - Damage of Life 5 - Utopia 6 - You Know You're Only Dreaming 7 - Damnation Alley Good tape, I think.......................I've copied it for some other friends, but I don't have access to the technology to get it onto my PC. Mark From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 23 18:08:47 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:38:47 +1030 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: You will get a surprise in the mail soon :) Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 5:30 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Requests > Hi there > > At 18:46 23.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: > >>Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has > >>it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the > >>80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. > >> > > > >I'll get this in before Bernhard. > > :-)))))))))) > > > > >The band played Damage of Life during the'89 Stonehenge or Bust Tour and I > think at the >Calvert tribute. > > Sorry to disappoint you Nick. But the 1st time DOL was played > was on 02.06.1989 (St. Albans) > > Bernhard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 23 20:17:26 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:47:26 +1030 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: disregard ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Blackman To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Requests > You will get a surprise in the mail soon :) > > Mb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernhard Pospiech > To: > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 5:30 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Requests > > > > Hi there > > > > At 18:46 23.11.2000 +0000, you wrote: > > >>Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that > (has > > >>it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of > the > > >>80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. > > >> > > > > > >I'll get this in before Bernhard. > > > > :-)))))))))) > > > > > > > > >The band played Damage of Life during the'89 Stonehenge or Bust Tour and > I > > think at the >Calvert tribute. > > > > Sorry to disappoint you Nick. But the 1st time DOL was played > > was on 02.06.1989 (St. Albans) > > > > Bernhard > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Nov 24 01:31:01 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:31:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Sorry Colm, You mentioned to do the out of the hat via the internet,but aren't you forgetting the ones who have a passport and aren't on the net? I know some 10 guys who have a passport and aren't on the net,so aren't you discriminating? There's life outside the net too,you know ;-) best wishes filip ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, reading it again i does come across slightly aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well if the after show party is at a private club that can only allow in a total of 100 people then some kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all members of the audience or instead via the net to passports holders seems like a good idea. I would love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most fair and unbiased way. Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to be at the xmas gig. BTW please please please play Damnation Alley cheers colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and support etc there are too many passport holders to guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport holders though. Maybe they would not all want to come anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: bedroom trancer To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! not too sure about an aftershow party being entry only to people that win in a raffle style competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of having these passports so that holders can get special offers not opened to non passport holders? BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i would prefer hiring out a private club as a better option than having it at a hotel. My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as follows: Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! see you all at the xmas gig colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Hello folks! Trying to get a "backstage" party together for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ 1) A convention type do at a hotel that everyone stays at. This would need some organising in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are willing to listen. 2) Party at a private club, this would be for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will take them in to consideration while making decisions.............. Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. Rehearsals start next week. Over and out............ HW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 24 06:21:48 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:21:48 -0000 Subject: HW: X In Search of Space - photos Message-ID: An interesting question which got me digging out my vinyl for the first time in 10 years. Yeah, I'd bet that is Bob with the microphone behind the cymbal. That could also be him behind Nik in the main band shot to the right of the "2 girls" photo. Who's that on bass / guitar in the same photo to the right of Nik? Looks to tall & thin for Dave Anderson (but willing to accept that it might be him), could it be a Fairy, playing next to a Fairy drummer on 2nd drumkit? Anyway, bottom photo shows Anderson with Terry & Dave, wonder who that is (with the microphone hair) behind Dave Brock, could it be the same person I mentioned as being behind Nik in band photo, in which case it isn't Bob in band photo. So many questions, not helped by the fact that HW consisted of anybody out of a group of about 10, who made it to the gig in a state fit to play in those days. Probably even more so in these photos of a (presumably free charitable) gig under a flyover. Plus Bob is one of those characters who manages to never look like the same person twice in any photos! Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: Re: HW: X In Search of Space > Captain Black wrote: > > I once read that Bob Calvert appears on the In Search of Space sleeve, if so, which photo? > > > >Am I right in thinking that Paul Rudolph and Russell Hunter are also pictured on the live shots inside the sleeve? > > > >Captain Black. > > Somone once told me that the Bob is in the photo on the extreme left of the fold-out, He's smiling and holding what looks like a mic to his face. He's standing behind the chap holding the cymbal. Don't know if its really him or not. > > > Mick > > > > > > May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From IainFerguson at CS.COM Fri Nov 24 09:17:47 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:17:47 EST Subject: Lemmy - White Line Fever Message-ID: Hi, If anyone going to know its someone on this list. My partner has been trying to get hold of the Lemmy (Auto)biography - White line Fever. It seems that the book isn't going to happen as the publishers have dropped it. Anyone know if this is true ? Would be a shame, I was looking forward to hearing more about his antics especially after reading the Do not Panic book about 10years ago and what he got upto. PS any one got a copy of PXR5 on CD for sale ? Regards iain Astoria Ticket ordered, Flying Doctor or Only The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid would be cool. From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM Fri Nov 24 09:26:40 2000 From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:26:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Deke Leonard Message-ID: Don't know about the Lemmy book, but I finally got hold of a copy (from tesco.com!) of Deke Leonard's new volume of autobiography, MAYBE I SHOULD'VE STAYED IN BED?, which at a quick skim looks just as essential as his earlier RHINOS, WINOS AND LUNATICS... -- Andy www.andygilham.com From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Nov 24 11:12:19 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:12:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Anthology of Cosmic Music for sale Message-ID: Hi there, Re the above compilation which was discussed a couple of weeks ago, I was sitting supping a quiet pint with my dealer today (record, that is) and questioned the probity of above. He had a hissy fit and then mentioned that he still had a couple left. So, I nipped round to the lock up and grabbed them. So, first two private e-mails to info at the-rocker.co.uk can have them for cost plus shipping which would mean ?6.99 in the UK and ?7.99 RoW For those who have forgotten this is a 2CD with CD1 containing HW and Van Der Graaf Generator and CD2 containing the Robert Calvert/Amon Duul II LP and more Van Der Graaf Regards, Stuart From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 24 11:40:00 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:40:00 EST Subject: Lemmy - White Line Fever Message-ID: it's been delayed and delayed and delayed...amazon.com.uk has it available for pre-order, but they have scant few details. i think it will come out sometime, somewhere, surely there's a market for the man. we'll see. bobm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 24 11:48:30 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:48:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Gong Edinburgh Message-ID: Stuart Did you get the email I sent you offlist? Just back from the Gong Gig in Whitley Bay, storming ;-) heh..they're using teddy bears picnic as the intro tape ;-) Email me on rich.warren at btinternet.com if you still want to meet for drinks before said gig. I'll pick up my mail later tonight, and first thing in the morning. Daevid Allen and Gill Smyth Kick Ass. Rich From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Fri Nov 24 14:42:22 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:42:22 -0800 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: sorry Filip my mistake i assumed wrongly that all passport holders had internet access. I hadn't thought that fans could have heard about the passports and applied for thrm by other means than hawkwind websites and this mailing list. What would be fair then would be all passport names holders be put into a hat and drawn out. colm --- Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Sorry Colm, > > You mentioned to do the out of the hat via the > internet,but aren't you forgetting the ones who have > a passport and aren't on the net? > I know some 10 guys who have a passport and aren't > on the net,so aren't you discriminating? > There's life outside the net too,you know ;-) > > best wishes > filip > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bedroom trancer > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, > reading it again i does come across slightly > aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well > if the after show party is at a private club that > can only allow in a total of 100 people then some > kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all > members of the audience or instead via the net to > passports holders seems like a good idea. I would > love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans > on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle > ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most > fair and unbiased way. > > Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to > be at the xmas gig. > > BTW please please please play Damnation Alley > > cheers > > colm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: XXX > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a > maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and > support etc there are too many passport holders to > guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport > holders though. Maybe they would not all want to > come anyway. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bedroom trancer > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > not too sure about an aftershow party being > entry only to people that win in a raffle style > competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members > should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of > having these passports so that holders can get > special offers not opened to non passport holders? > BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there > have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i > would prefer hiring out a private club as a better > option than having it at a hotel. > > My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as > follows: > Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! > > see you all at the xmas gig > > colm > > -----Original Message----- > From: XXX > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 > Subject: HW: Party after the party! > > > Hello folks! > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together > for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that > everyone stays at. This would need some organising > in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are > willing to listen. > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be > for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come > from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, > etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an > apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will > take them in to consideration while making > decisions.............. > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, > someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > Rehearsals start next week. > > > Over and out............ > > HW > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 24 14:56:51 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 19:56:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Weird CDs In-Reply-To: <200010272314.QAA03716@bob.te-cats.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, John H. McCartney wrote: > > Agreed. However the one on Thrilling Adventures I find particularly > > curious, because the rhythm sounds- to me anyway- suspiciously like > > Opa-Loka. Given that this is the earliest version, my theory is that the track > > originated as a Calvertian rant during O-L. Anyone know if this is the case? > > > Ah, that's what was tickling the underside of my brain about that one! > > Also reminds me of the version of 25 Years on the Hawklords live disc, > sounds an awful lot like Silver Machine chugging along behind Bob..... Having listened again I think you're entirely right. I wonder whether it started out that way too? Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Fri Nov 24 17:44:39 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:44:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Anthology of Cosmic Music - sale closed Message-ID: They've bone gone. Regards, Stuart From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 24 18:19:57 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:19:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Booktastic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jon Jarrett writes > Dear All, > currently at work at an online second-hand bookstore, >cataloguing, and what has passed through my hands except a copy of >_Stonehenge Decoded_? Didn't even know it existed... Yeah I have a copy of this too. By Gerald HAWKins if memory serves. Spooky. What I've never been sure of is: how widely accepted are his theories? -- Nick Medford From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Nov 24 19:06:48 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:06:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: How about this.... The first 100 people at the door...passports or not...get to have the option of attending the party. If any of those do not plan on it, then it goes to the next in line... It would seem that if anyone was to be of the first in line, they would be appreciative of Hawkwind enough to be worthy of attending a party due to diligence of standing in line, ey? This would then include those fans who may have otherwise not had the opportunity to get a passport to attend..... hmmm....just an idea.... colm mcwilliams wrote: > sorry Filip my mistake i assumed wrongly that all > passport holders had internet access. I hadn't thought > that fans could have heard about the passports and > applied for thrm by other means than hawkwind websites > and this mailing list. What would be fair then would > be all passport names holders be put into a hat and > drawn out. > > colm > > --- Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > Sorry Colm, > > > > You mentioned to do the out of the hat via the > > internet,but aren't you forgetting the ones who have > > a passport and aren't on the net? > > I know some 10 guys who have a passport and aren't > > on the net,so aren't you discriminating? > > There's life outside the net too,you know ;-) > > > > best wishes > > filip > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bedroom trancer > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, > > reading it again i does come across slightly > > aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well > > if the after show party is at a private club that > > can only allow in a total of 100 people then some > > kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all > > members of the audience or instead via the net to > > passports holders seems like a good idea. I would > > love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans > > on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle > > ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most > > fair and unbiased way. > > > > Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to > > be at the xmas gig. > > > > BTW please please please play Damnation Alley > > > > cheers > > > > colm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: XXX > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a > > maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and > > support etc there are too many passport holders to > > guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport > > holders though. Maybe they would not all want to > > come anyway. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bedroom trancer > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > not too sure about an aftershow party being > > entry only to people that win in a raffle style > > competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members > > should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of > > having these passports so that holders can get > > special offers not opened to non passport holders? > > BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there > > have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i > > would prefer hiring out a private club as a better > > option than having it at a hotel. > > > > My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as > > follows: > > Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! > > > > see you all at the xmas gig > > > > colm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: XXX > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 > > Subject: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > Hello folks! > > > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together > > for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ > > > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that > > everyone stays at. This would need some organising > > in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has > > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are > > willing to listen. > > > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be > > for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come > > from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, > > etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an > > apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. > > > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will > > take them in to consideration while making > > decisions.............. > > > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, > > someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > > Rehearsals start next week. > > > > > > Over and out............ > > > > HW > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 24 18:56:07 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:56:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd Message-ID: might as well take advantage of it now because based on reports of the fact that virtually every large internet company is trading at losses that even the most optimistic people are gasping at, they won't be around long..... Still if you want to remain faithful to the ones who care, of course we have it at ?14.99 UK, as ever. Andy Garibaldi ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 3:58 AM Subject: Re: HW: Black Sword dvd I've seen that both Insound(insound.com) and CDNow(cdnow.com) have it listed for sale. Insound is charging $18.57 for it, and CDNow is charging $17.47 for it,'cause they're having a 30% off sale for a while, don't know how long it will last, tho'. The listing at CDNow says the DVD is Region 1, playable in the US and Canada. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 24 19:06:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:06:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Astoria Requests Message-ID: Bet Brock's wishing he'd never asked...(.just a joke.) Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Medford" To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: HW: Astoria Requests > Since virtually the complete works of the band have now been requested, it > may seem unnecessary to add another post. But the track I would love to > hear above all others is Paradox- I know it's been in and out of the set > over the years but I have never heard it performed live and it's one of my > absolute favourite songs by HW or anyone else for that matter. > > Nice to see a request for Damage Of Life, I'd also like to hear that (has > it EVER been performed live?) as I think it's one of the best songs of the > 80s and one of the most underrated of all HW tracks. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 24 19:47:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 00:47:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: pity I can't be there either - and I'm only in Scotland!! (curse these Christmas working days!!) Andy Garibaldi (CD Services) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonique" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > Pity I can't be there ... again. sigh! > > S. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 24 20:47:49 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:17:49 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: and my I suggest allowing all Australian passport holders attending be admitted regardless tee hee you know, its a long way to swim..... 8) :) Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: colm mcwilliams To: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 6:12 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > sorry Filip my mistake i assumed wrongly that all > passport holders had internet access. I hadn't thought > that fans could have heard about the passports and > applied for thrm by other means than hawkwind websites > and this mailing list. What would be fair then would > be all passport names holders be put into a hat and > drawn out. > > colm > > > --- Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > Sorry Colm, > > > > You mentioned to do the out of the hat via the > > internet,but aren't you forgetting the ones who have > > a passport and aren't on the net? > > I know some 10 guys who have a passport and aren't > > on the net,so aren't you discriminating? > > There's life outside the net too,you know ;-) > > > > best wishes > > filip > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bedroom trancer > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:24 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, > > reading it again i does come across slightly > > aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well > > if the after show party is at a private club that > > can only allow in a total of 100 people then some > > kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all > > members of the audience or instead via the net to > > passports holders seems like a good idea. I would > > love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans > > on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle > > ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most > > fair and unbiased way. > > > > Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to > > be at the xmas gig. > > > > BTW please please please play Damnation Alley > > > > cheers > > > > colm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: XXX > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a > > maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and > > support etc there are too many passport holders to > > guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport > > holders though. Maybe they would not all want to > > come anyway. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bedroom trancer > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > not too sure about an aftershow party being > > entry only to people that win in a raffle style > > competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members > > should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of > > having these passports so that holders can get > > special offers not opened to non passport holders? > > BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there > > have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i > > would prefer hiring out a private club as a better > > option than having it at a hotel. > > > > My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as > > follows: > > Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! > > > > see you all at the xmas gig > > > > colm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: XXX > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 > > Subject: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > Hello folks! > > > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together > > for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ > > > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that > > everyone stays at. This would need some organising > > in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has > > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are > > willing to listen. > > > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be > > for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come > > from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, > > etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an > > apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. > > > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will > > take them in to consideration while making > > decisions.............. > > > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, > > someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > > Rehearsals start next week. > > > > > > Over and out............ > > > > HW > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 24 20:57:57 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:27:57 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Sorry mate but you left out First Australian passport holder gets in regardless :) yours humbly & modestly Michael B ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > How about this.... > > The first 100 people at the door...passports or not...get to have the > option of attending the party. If any of those do not plan on it, then > it goes to the next in line... > It would seem that if anyone was to be of the first in line, they would > be appreciative of Hawkwind enough to be worthy of attending a party due > to diligence of standing in line, ey? > > This would then include those fans who may have otherwise not had the > opportunity to get a passport to attend..... > > hmmm....just an idea.... > > colm mcwilliams wrote: > > > sorry Filip my mistake i assumed wrongly that all > > passport holders had internet access. I hadn't thought > > that fans could have heard about the passports and > > applied for thrm by other means than hawkwind websites > > and this mailing list. What would be fair then would > > be all passport names holders be put into a hat and > > drawn out. > > > > colm > > > > --- Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > > Sorry Colm, > > > > > > You mentioned to do the out of the hat via the > > > internet,but aren't you forgetting the ones who have > > > a passport and aren't on the net? > > > I know some 10 guys who have a passport and aren't > > > on the net,so aren't you discriminating? > > > There's life outside the net too,you know ;-) > > > > > > best wishes > > > filip > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: bedroom trancer > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > > > ok, sorry about the tone of my previous post, > > > reading it again i does come across slightly > > > aggressive which i didn't intend for it to be. Well > > > if the after show party is at a private club that > > > can only allow in a total of 100 people then some > > > kind of raffle ticket issued at the xmas gig to all > > > members of the audience or instead via the net to > > > passports holders seems like a good idea. I would > > > love to be there and i am sure all of the Hawkfans > > > on this mailing list would do too. But the raffle > > > ticket/out of the hat method seems like the most > > > fair and unbiased way. > > > > > > Anyway if i don't get in i'm happy enough just to > > > be at the xmas gig. > > > > > > BTW please please please play Damnation Alley > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > colm > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: XXX > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 20:32 > > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > > > Sorry colm, thought of that but the club has a > > > maximum of 100 and when we count band, crew and > > > support etc there are too many passport holders to > > > guarantee entry. We could give priority to passport > > > holders though. Maybe they would not all want to > > > come anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: bedroom trancer > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > > > not too sure about an aftershow party being > > > entry only to people that win in a raffle style > > > competition. Surely all hawkwind passport members > > > should be allowed entrance? Isn't the whole point of > > > having these passports so that holders can get > > > special offers not opened to non passport holders? > > > BTW Dave and Kris how many Hawkwind fans out there > > > have passports? But out of the two ideas mentioned i > > > would prefer hiring out a private club as a better > > > option than having it at a hotel. > > > > > > My requests for songs for the XMAS gig are as > > > follows: > > > Anything from the charisma period PLEASE!!!!! > > > > > > see you all at the xmas gig > > > > > > colm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: XXX > > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > > > > > Date: 20 November 2000 19:56 > > > Subject: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > > > Hello folks! > > > > > > Trying to get a "backstage" party together > > > for after the Astoria, 2 choices........ > > > > > > 1) A convention type do at a hotel that > > > everyone stays at. This would need some organising > > > in central London on 29th Dec! But if anyone has > > > suggestions as to how this could be achieved, we are > > > willing to listen. > > > > > > 2) Party at a private club, this would be > > > for limited numbers. Certainly the Hawkfans who come > > > from afar would be invited (Australia, USA, Europe, > > > etc) The rest of the invites would have to be on an > > > apply and draw names out of a hat type basis. > > > > > > Let us know your thoughts as ever, we will > > > take them in to consideration while making > > > decisions.............. > > > > > > Also, any requests for songs at Xmas gig, > > > someone mentioned lack of 80s stuff at Brixton. > > > Rehearsals start next week. > > > > > > > > > Over and out............ > > > > > > HW > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Nov 24 20:59:18 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:29:18 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Ever been to the Isle of Skye? Thats where half o me family came from! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > pity I can't be there either - and I'm only in Scotland!! (curse these > Christmas working days!!) > Andy Garibaldi (CD Services) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sonique" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > Pity I can't be there ... again. sigh! > > > > S. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 25 04:49:38 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:49:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd In-Reply-To: <027b01c0567a$3836fae0$0b9abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: > I've seen that both Insound(insound.com) and CDNow(cdnow.com) have it listed > for sale. Insound is charging $18.57 for it, and CDNow is charging $17.47 for > it,'cause they're having a 30% off sale for a while, don't know how long it > will last, tho'. > > The listing at CDNow says the DVD is Region 1, playable in the US and Canada. > > Joe I'm back after a long absence. I got this DVD earlier this week - it is region zero - all areas. I should warn you though and being charitable about it, it hasn't been transfered very well. Additionally, the camera work during the encore is something of a masterpiece! Anyway, it is a nice memento to have. Mark From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Sat Nov 25 05:11:41 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:11:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tape Trade 2000 Message-ID: First lot of tracklistings are now at; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/boc2000.html Stuart From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 25 09:49:52 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:49:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Booktastic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Nick Medford wrote: > In message org.uk>, Jon Jarrett writes > > Dear All, > > currently at work at an online second-hand bookstore, > >cataloguing, and what has passed through my hands except a copy of > >_Stonehenge Decoded_? Didn't even know it existed... > > Yeah I have a copy of this too. By Gerald HAWKins if memory serves. > Spooky. > > What I've never been sure of is: how widely accepted are his theories? Well, the copy at work has provenance in this respect, so I shan't be getting it... It contains a copy of a hostile review rubbishing most of the calculations, and a letter from an archaeologist in America to an English one whose name may be known to people, Glyn Daniel, saying they need to consult an astronomer about this and see how plausible it is. This may explain why this copy was then sent to Harold Jeffreys... But what he told Daniel I sadly don't know. Yours, Jon n/p: Das Ludicroix - `L'Menexe' -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 25 10:18:27 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:18:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: <200011081639.QAA10241@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > I had some other memories of this after my original post. > And all-round family entertainer and hilarious funny-man Jimmy > Cricket? Now I used to watch him avidly on TV when I ws about ten. I have no idea whether he was actually funny mind, I just know I thought so then. Whatever happened to him? Did he get a real job or something? Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Nov 25 11:15:41 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:15:41 +0100 Subject: HW:S-P-I-R-I-T O-F T-H-E A-G-E Message-ID: Well actually I'm listening to a recording of "Spirit Of The Age" during the Brixton All Niter. Sorry Dave,but you know there would crop up recordings of the gig. Will send you a copy this week. I TAKE BACK ALL NEGATIVE FEEDBACK I'VE BEEN GIVEN. Oh,Man this is so awsome. I'm sitting here listening to the "Spirit" for the 6 times in a row and I have difficulty not to shread into tears. You know when things crop up. F****ing awsome (sorry the language) The rest is also VERY good. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW Can't wait till the 29th best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM Sat Nov 25 14:42:03 2000 From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 14:42:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Way Off And In Very Bad Taste Message-ID: In joke for UK based readers. The B side:-) of Jonathan Kings 1971 cover of "Hooked On A Feeling" was a self penned song called "I Don't Want To Be Gay":-( Apologies in advance From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Sat Nov 25 16:56:46 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:56:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light CD for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody want to buy a copy of the following CD. HAWKWIND: Kings Of Speed, Lords Of Light Front sleeve is Stonehenge shot (?) from 84 tour programme (blurred photo of Harvey & Huw (?)) Picture CD (b/w X-In Search Of Space front cover). Rear sleeve = Black Sword stage shot Tracks listed as : Needle Gun Ejection - Time We Left This World Today Blue Shift - The Right Stuff Snake Dance - Night Of The Hawks Levitation Masters (sic) Of The Universe The Golden Void Paranoia Part 2 - Hassanisahba (sic) LSD Sleeve says Recorded Live 18.5.1991 at Latin Quarter Detroit USA (This is, of course, rubbish, as Alan thanks the audience with "danke", the actual venue & date is Bochum, Zeche 08.10.91, I believe) Made in EEC GEMA label Only looking to re-coup my initial cost, so no great amount expected. E-mail me if interested. Jez ( jeremy at dacombe.fsnet.co.uk ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 25 20:00:39 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:00:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: hell's teeth, no - it's cold enough up here in Dundee!!! I'm only here for the work - one lottery win and it's the South of Spain for me!!! A ctually,if you've got to live in Scotland, the east end of Dundee is extremely picturesque,only 10 mins away from miles of beach where, in the summer, yuo can sit behind one of the big sand dunes, avoid the wind and write to the strains of Hawkwind with no-one around for miles (almost) - could be worse places I supose (London for a start!!) But my heart is still in the Midlands somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester. To Hawk matters - there has been a slight problem with Star Nation. As a result there will be a further delay. I can't say more right now as 'negotaiations' are still taking place. But you will be kept fully informed as to what is going down (and it's not us causing the delays for once).. Alan Davey's new album is also delayed due to 'artwork problems', while the Bedouin album looks like it won't surface until well into next year, now. Finally, the Simon House LP+CD is now scheduled for early December with the High Tide album for January. Phew!!! Andy Garibaldi P.S. I presume I'm well behind on this but until the other day I never knew about all that live '97 Hawkwind concert stuff on the Visionary web site - pretty neat, huh!!! andygee at dial.pipex.com Andy G.(now bound to get howls of abuse). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 1:59 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > Ever been to the Isle of Skye? > > Thats where half o me family came from! > > Mb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > pity I can't be there either - and I'm only in Scotland!! (curse these > > Christmas working days!!) > > Andy Garibaldi (CD Services) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sonique" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:20 AM > > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > > > > > > > > Pity I can't be there ... again. sigh! > > > > > > S. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 26 00:59:39 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:59:39 +0800 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd Message-ID: The one I have says Region 0, which means it should play anywhere. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "John H. McCartney" To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 3:54 AM Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd > What's the availability of this, and will it play on a > US dvd player? > > > scorch > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 26 01:07:10 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:07:10 +0800 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd Message-ID: > I should warn you though and being charitable about it, it hasn't been > transfered very well. Additionally, the camera work during the encore is > something of a masterpiece! Anyway, it is a nice memento to have. I found the level of the sound particularly disappointing. It sounds too low. William From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 26 05:21:34 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:21:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Black Sword dvd In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0576f$1d74e3c0$aaa33bcb@xl5jji166w6xlq> Message-ID: In message <00ac01c0576f$1d74e3c0$aaa33bcb at xl5jji166w6xlq>, William Duffy writes >I found the level of the sound particularly disappointing. It sounds too >low. > >William Too right! You need to turn the volume up 2 or 3 times higher than normal so watch out when you switch back to normal channels. Mark From hw at CY-B.ORG Sun Nov 26 08:11:04 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 08:11:04 -0500 Subject: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA PIX ONLINE Message-ID: ++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS a second page of images has been added to the hawkestra videocaps page. visit Mission Conrol, and enter through Gallery>Live-pix>Hawkestra a direct link is also available on the Hawkestra section of the updates page. www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MESSAGE ENDS From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 26 08:43:01 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:13:01 +1030 Subject: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA PIX ONLINE Message-ID: Thanks may I ask when the winner of the tshirt art comp will be announced? Cheers Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA PIX ONLINE > ++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS > > a second page of images has been added to the hawkestra videocaps page. > visit Mission Conrol, and enter through Gallery>Live-pix>Hawkestra > > a direct link is also available on the Hawkestra section of the updates > page. > > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > ++MESSAGE ENDS > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Nov 26 08:56:23 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:26:23 +1030 Subject: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA PIX ONLINE Message-ID: Excellent pix - thank you!! Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: NEW HAWKESTRA PIX ONLINE > ++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS > > a second page of images has been added to the hawkestra videocaps page. > visit Mission Conrol, and enter through Gallery>Live-pix>Hawkestra > > a direct link is also available on the Hawkestra section of the updates > page. > > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > ++MESSAGE ENDS > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 26 11:43:43 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:43:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! In-Reply-To: <003c01c05744$826dcb00$439abc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > To Hawk matters - there has been a slight problem with Star Nation. As a > result there will be a further delay. I can't say more right now as > 'negotaiations' are still taking place. But you will be kept fully informed > as to what is going down (and it's not us causing the delays for once).. Thanks for keeping us posted... > Alan Davey's new album is also delayed due to 'artwork problems', while the > Bedouin album looks like it won't surface until well into next year, now. What? I thought _Chaos Delight_ was out? Or has he got even more in the can, an if so how did I miss hearing about it? Can't say I'm surprised by Bedouin delays though. Is he still shopping for a label? > Finally, the Simon House LP+CD is now scheduled for early December with the > High Tide album for January. What!? (again) New High Tide? Having had my head removed at the neck by Tony Hill's playing only a few days ago that sounds more interesting than a good many things. Both Hill & House? Is it already recorded or have they yet to go in the studio? Who else is on it? Will they tour? Have you got any information, Harvey? > Andy G.(now bound to get howls of abuse). Nonsense. "We want information!" Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 26 11:53:45 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:53:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Support bands #1 - a general approach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > In article , Chris > Warburton writes > > > > Are you Jon Browne's alter ego ;-{P> > > > > ChrisW > > > > cheeky monkey! > > I missed one or two gigs..c'mon...I had a nice fresh broken rib for > Blackheath, aw man... Yeah, but the bald facts don't really cover that one do they? People need to know how you got it before the full depth of your predicament becomes apparent :-) Yours, Jon -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 26 12:16:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:16:01 -0000 Subject: HW:related new things Message-ID: > > Alan Davey's new album is also delayed due to 'artwork problems', while the > > Bedouin album looks like it won't surface until well into next year, now. > What? I thought _Chaos Delight_ was out? Or has he got even more > in the can, an if so how did I miss hearing about it? REPLY: No, there's the new one called 'The Final Call' releasedon Centaur Discs and that'z the one to which I refer, OK - you clearly aren't the proud owner of a new CD Services catalogue for some reason - I will check that out as you should have had one. > Can't say I'm surprised by Bedouin delays though. Is he still > shopping for a label? REPLY:Yes that is correct. > > Finally, the Simon House LP+CD is now scheduled for early December with the > > High Tide album for January. > > What!? (again) New High Tide? Having had my head removed at the > neck by Tony Hill's playing only a few days ago that sounds more > interesting than a good many things. Both Hill & House? Is it already > recorded or have they yet to go in the studio? Who else is on it? Will > they tour? Have you got any information, Harvey? REPLY:.sorry to have misled you a little - by 'new' I don't mean 'new' but 'new old' if you get my drift - stuff that's been out before but remastered plus some unreleased stuff (although I wish someone would see fit to bring out the Top Gear Session from way back - if the BBC haven't got it, I have!!) Andy Garibaldi. From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM Sun Nov 26 12:12:23 2000 From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:12:23 +0000 Subject: Greetings Message-ID: Hallo again, those who know me -- initial hallos to those who don't :) I'm back from the nomail absence I've had since May. I figured as long as I was seeing listfolk at gigs again I might as well properly get back on the list. For those who haven't already figured it out, I'm back in the UK again, coincidentally in Cambridge (again), and am working at a RealJob(tm). Though I've just emptied my UK bank account of its remaining funds and am still awaiting my first paycheck :) But hey, it's all rock and roll :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Sun Nov 26 18:09:30 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:09:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks In-Reply-To: <3A1FFFF1.5AEA3E4@execpc.com> Message-ID: A recommendation that I heartily second.... Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack arrived post-haste (& post-free *g*) - excellent service... Big smiles today too - the Griffin "Live Chronicles" 2CD version, with storybook & beautiful art - found in HMV on Oxford St. (They have at least one more copy... and two of the "Anthology of Cosmic Music") for anybody in striking Distance...) ChrisW NP - "Where but for Caravan would I?" At 18:07 25/11/00, you wrote: >Hi Guys! > >I don't know how Richard does it but I just got another fantastic >shipment from Cranium Music in New Zealand. He has free shipping >anywhere on in the world and his selection and prices are great. > > >Karen From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 26 19:31:55 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:31:55 -0000 Subject: HW - associated news Message-ID: Couple of things: Alan Davey's Bedouin play Rye Community Centre on South of England on Sat Dec 2nd, from 7pm to 12 pm with special guest Harvey bainbridge on synths, keyboards abd vocals. Tickets ?7 avaiilable on the door on the night - Licensed bar - advance tickets from The Rock Shop, High Street, Rye Tel: 01797 227468 In March (date to be announced) the 'Hawkwind Reunion Band' return to Liverpool at a venue called The Masque in Seel Street.The line-up will be Turner-Langton-Crimble-Ollis- Dik Mik. More info when we have it but as the last one sold out and they had to turn people away at the door, better look out if interested. Andy G'b. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sun Nov 26 21:49:17 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: "SEXKNOWLEDGY" now at www.mp3.com/sloterdijk Message-ID: The SLOTERDIJK tune "Sexknowledgy" is now uploaded at www.mp3.com/sloterdijk http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 27 05:51:45 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 21:21:45 +1030 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks Message-ID: I'll third that - I had tried to get Sonic attack & choose your masques from a few online stores and shops in my area but they all said they were discontinued. Obviously they just didn't know where to look. Big Smiles :) Now if I could just get Warrior on the edge of time on CD...... Richard!!!!! :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Cranium rocks > A recommendation that I heartily second.... > > Choose Your Masques & Sonic Attack arrived post-haste (& post-free *g*) - > excellent service... > > Big smiles today too - the Griffin "Live Chronicles" 2CD version, with > storybook & beautiful art - found in HMV on Oxford St. (They have at least > one more copy... and two of the "Anthology of Cosmic Music") for anybody in > striking Distance...) > > ChrisW > NP - "Where but for Caravan would I?" > At 18:07 25/11/00, you wrote: > >Hi Guys! > > > >I don't know how Richard does it but I just got another fantastic > >shipment from Cranium Music in New Zealand. He has free shipping > >anywhere on in the world and his selection and prices are great. > > > > > >Karen From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Mon Nov 27 07:48:11 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:48:11 +1300 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks In-Reply-To: <000901c05860$099d91c0$89cb223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: > Now if I could just get Warrior on the edge of time on CD...... Arrggghhhh No !!! ... not the Warrior on the Edge of Time .... the hardest Hawkwind album to find. Griffin released this about 4 years ago, then they went broke for a while but now they're back but I don't know if Warrior is still available on the label. Incidently the last time I had copies of this album in when they (Griffin) put it in a box with a book the CD pressings I received turned out to have bloody Pendragon on the pressing with the label reading Hawkwind. That's what I mean by Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh No not Warrior on the Edge ..... because I have but haven't ever had it in stock. Richard Cranium Music http://www.cranium.co.nz From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 08:29:55 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:29:55 EST Subject: HW:Weird CDs Again Message-ID: Sorry about this but I've accidently wiped my filing cabinet (Again !!....bloody technophobes ehhh?). I know this question has been answered already but I've forgotten / lost the reply..... Where is the material from side 1 of weird tape 108 available on CD , if at all ? Why is 108 not out on CD (OK side 2 is basically taken care of with Dawn of and various other things i guess, but is anything from side 1 available anywhere else ?) Not weird CD connected ,but ...Where can I get the entire codex (question for doug I guess ) ...Is it available on a web site somewhere or as a download ? Last questions....can anyone please post the codex entry for Damage of life ? I only have a dodgy tape of it (source uncertain but definitely live.) Ok Thanks a bunch chaps See you on the 29 th From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 27 12:21:44 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:21:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Richard Stockwell wrote: > > Now if I could just get Warrior on the edge of time on CD...... > > Arrggghhhh No !!! ... not the Warrior on the Edge of Time .... the hardest > Hawkwind album to find. Griffin released this about 4 years ago, then they > went broke for a while but now they're back but I don't know if Warrior is > still available on the label. Incidently the last time I had copies of this > album in when they (Griffin) put it in a box with a book the CD pressings I > received turned out to have bloody Pendragon on the pressing with the label > reading Hawkwind. That's what I mean by Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh No not Warrior on > the Edge ..... because I have but haven't ever had it in stock. Not that this'll cheer anyone up, but I believe it's unobtainable in the US too. I had someone over there looking for it for a favour, and the company she was using (who seem from what else she laid hold of to be knowledgeable in such things) got one only by means of persuading one of their employees to give up his copy! Second-hand is the only way I fear. Yours, Jon ObCD: Gong - _25th Birthday Party_ -- Jon Jarrett (01223 514989) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk ===================================================================== "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Nov 27 12:44:36 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:44:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Family Tree CD Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed that strange version of "Motorway City" on this album? It is listed as "performed by Hawkwind ?79", but in fact it is a Hawklords studio version performed by Brock/Swindells/Bainbridge/Smith. And I would say it?s from the same session as "Valium 10". Then it should have been included on Weird 102. Anyone confirm this? Andreas From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 27 14:22:15 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks Message-ID: ah yes - Warrior....we had a load of the mispressed things too but all gone now, sadly. Apparently EBS were meant to bring this out in '98, even assigned a catalogue number to it (I've still got the sheet!!!), but we know it never came out. Griffin can't bring it out as I think they have to get permission off EBS to repress everything that sells out, and presumably EBS say 'no' every time otherwise the things that are deleted wouldn't be deleted. I heard that EBS had planned to bring it out in the autumn of this year through Snapper but that never happened either and so we are still waiting. What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why 'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like the rest, so where's the problem? Mr Brock - can you shed any light on this for us, even a bit would help. A mystified...... Andy Garibaldi. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Stockwell" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Cranium rocks > > Now if I could just get Warrior on the edge of time on CD...... > > Arrggghhhh No !!! ... not the Warrior on the Edge of Time .... the hardest > Hawkwind album to find. Griffin released this about 4 years ago, then they > went broke for a while but now they're back but I don't know if Warrior is > still available on the label. Incidently the last time I had copies of this > album in when they (Griffin) put it in a box with a book the CD pressings I > received turned out to have bloody Pendragon on the pressing with the label > reading Hawkwind. That's what I mean by Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh No not Warrior on > the Edge ..... because I have but haven't ever had it in stock. > > Richard > Cranium Music > http://www.cranium.co.nz From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Nov 27 14:24:19 2000 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:24:19 +0100 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) In-Reply-To: <003301c058a7$bb13e5c0$4218bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Hi, Andy Garibaldi wrote: >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like the >rest, so where's the problem? Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least that's what I've heard. (c)IAO D'lucky owner of Dojo-issue'+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 27 14:18:12 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:18:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Warrior mystery? Message-ID: I was under the impression that a contractual black hole was to blame for the lack of "Warrior". Anything to do with the Mike Moorcock/ Doug Smith situation? It might also explain why some live versions of Warrior tracks were released under different (but similar) names. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 27 14:22:20 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:22:20 -0800 Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >ah yes - Warrior.... >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like the >rest, so where's the problem? Except that it wasn't *exactly* on UA. I don't know what the precise details were, but for some reason, the album seems to exist "outside" of the five standard UA releases. In the United States, it was released on Atco, and I believe it came out on other labels elsewhere in the world (it's UA in Europe, I know) - Mike C? Also, when the reissue on Griffin came out, I remember it had been noted that EMI UK had lost the original UA master tape, and the reissue was mastered from a safety master copy found in Atco's vaults in New York City. Neither of those explain why it's out of print (nor why core albums like 'Astounding Sounds', 'Quark', 'PXR5' and '25 Years On' are also unavailable ... while Castle runs of more remasters of also-rans like 'Palace Springs' and 'IitFtbD'), but it shows that WHATEVER the story is, it's something complicated. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 27 17:59:13 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:59:13 -0000 Subject: HW mpeg Message-ID: I've kept forgetting to post this, but if anyone wants a decent quality mpeg of the TotP Silver Machine video, and is prepared for a *big* download, then go to http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/hw.mpg. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 27 20:42:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:12:04 +1030 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > that's what I've heard. Is it the mix down master tapes mixing or the actual multitrack reel to reel tape thats missing. If its the mastered mixes that are missing why not just re master them I'll do it for FREE ... it is my profession. Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:54 AM Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) > Hi, > > Andy Garibaldi wrote: > > >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why > >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like the > >rest, so where's the problem? > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > that's what I've heard. > > (c)IAO > > D'lucky owner of Dojo-issue'+R > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > Hassan I Sabbah > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 27 20:52:31 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:22:31 +1030 Subject: whos the winner Message-ID: Does anyone know when the winner of the tshirt competition will be announced? "I'm so excited all six of my nipples are tingling!!!!" oooops - Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Nov 27 20:54:42 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:54:42 -0500 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: I remember that the DOJO release was from Brian Tawns vinyl, and that the Griffin release used the non UK Master Tapes. Chris Michael Blackman wrote: > > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > Is it the mix down master tapes mixing or the actual multitrack reel to reel > tape thats missing. If its the mastered mixes that are missing why not just > re master them > I'll do it for FREE ... it is my profession. > > Mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denis Regenbrecht > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:54 AM > Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) > > > Hi, > > > > Andy Garibaldi wrote: > > > > >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why > > >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like > the > > >rest, so where's the problem? > > > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > > > (c)IAO > > > > D'lucky owner of Dojo-issue'+R > > -- > > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > > > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Nov 27 22:42:52 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:12:52 +1030 Subject: HW Related to posters etc Message-ID: Some new items of interest you may want to have a peek at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Poster_Artwork.htm#Top Cheers See yas at the Astoria Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Nov 28 05:20:08 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:20:08 -0000 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: The UK release, was from John Chase's vinyl! Motorhead was compiled from both my copies of the single. (both were scratched, but in different places! The cedering process cleaned them up nicely! - Is that the correct spelling of "cedering?") Hence the credit that we got, tacked onto the end of the original credits from '75. John is the bands more or less official photographer. He has contributed most of the photos that have been used on album covers since Business Trip. In fact, he completely designed the Business Trip package! He's also a really great bloke! There you go! Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Raymond [mailto:chrisr at TIAC.NET] Sent: 28 November 2000 01:55 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) I remember that the DOJO release was from Brian Tawns vinyl, and that the Griffin release used the non UK Master Tapes. Chris Michael Blackman wrote: > > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > Is it the mix down master tapes mixing or the actual multitrack reel to reel > tape thats missing. If its the mastered mixes that are missing why not just > re master them > I'll do it for FREE ... it is my profession. > > Mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denis Regenbrecht > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:54 AM > Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) > > > Hi, > > > > Andy Garibaldi wrote: > > > > >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why > > >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like > the > > >rest, so where's the problem? > > > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > > > (c)IAO > > > > D'lucky owner of Dojo-issue'+R > > -- > > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > > > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 28 07:21:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:51:12 +1030 Subject: HW - Space Rock - radio Message-ID: Hi all A while back I posted an email regarding my getting a spot at our local radio station to do a Space Rock special Anyway - I'll be getting into that later next year. I am still looking forward to getting any material or info leading me there In my last email I forgot to add I am Happy to pay for the CD's { just so it is known that I'm not on the scrounge for free stufff } Peace & Light Michael B South Oz Where the grass is green & free {almost} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 28 03:49:25 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:49:25 -0000 Subject: HW mpeg Message-ID: > I've kept forgetting to post this, but if anyone wants a decent quality mpeg > of the TotP Silver Machine video, and is prepared for a *big* download, then > go to http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/hw.mpg. > Marvellous. Managed to get it streaming here, (provided I paused every now and again to let it catch up with itself!) :-) Cheers! Rich. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Tue Nov 28 08:08:16 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:08:16 -0800 Subject: HW: Halloween 82 chain status? Message-ID: Anyone remember this chain? Anyone know where it is now? I think I was the last link, so I was just wondering if it got held up somewhere. Thanks. MWood NP: Kansas - _Somewhere to Elsewhere_ (hey, this is pretty good!) >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:53 -0500 >From: Dan Witt >Subject: (O) HW: Halloween 82 chain >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >The 10/31/1982 Bristol chain is ready to go. > >Disc I > >Choose Your Masques 7:07 >Coded Languages 5:11 >Magnu 5:02 >Dust Of Time 3:57 >Waiting For Tomorrow 6:14 >Angels Of Death 6:49 >Ghost Dance 4:53 >Golden Void 3:12 >Psychedelic Warlords 5:05 > >47:34 > >Disc II > >Psychedelic Warlord Jam 1:52 >Creatures Of The Nite 4:59 >Utopia 2:20 >Arrival In Utopia 6:04 >Solitary Mind Games 6:22 >Sonic Attack 5:53 >Dream Worker 5:34 >Brainstorm 9:48 >Ejection 4:46 (encore) > >47:42 total > >Sound quality is quite good. Ejection fades out due to the master tape >running out, I'm not sure if they performed another encore that night. >Fabulous artwork by Kevin Sommers included for this show. > >Once again, send me a PRIVATE email to sign up for the the chain. It'll >probably start off in about 5 days. > >dan ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 28 10:34:26 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8D0D@LNNT47> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Thomas, Guy wrote: => The UK release, was from John Chase's vinyl! Motorhead was compiled from => both my copies of the single. (both were scratched, but in different places! => The cedering process cleaned them up nicely! - Is that the correct spelling => of "cedering?") I think it's CEDAR: Computer Enhanced Digital Audio Restoration. So that would be "cedaring," I guess. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Nov 28 13:11:30 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:11:30 -0000 Subject: HW passports Message-ID: hooray!!!! got my hawkwind passport today!!!!! :-) cheers Kris and Dave for returning it back to me so quickly can't wait for the xmas party gig looking forward to getting in early and checking out the band during the soundcheck colm From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Tue Nov 28 13:22:31 2000 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:22:31 -0600 Subject: Halloween 82 chain status? Message-ID: Yeah, I'm sure I signed up for all chains and I've only gotten the one. No idea where this one is, but I'd love to get it. Bryan Young -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Wood To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:09 AM Subject: HW: Halloween 82 chain status? Anyone remember this chain? Anyone know where it is now? I think I was the last link, so I was just wondering if it got held up somewhere. Thanks. MWood NP: Kansas - _Somewhere to Elsewhere_ (hey, this is pretty good!) >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:53 -0500 >From: Dan Witt >Subject: (O) HW: Halloween 82 chain >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >The 10/31/1982 Bristol chain is ready to go. > >Disc I > >Choose Your Masques 7:07 >Coded Languages 5:11 >Magnu 5:02 >Dust Of Time 3:57 >Waiting For Tomorrow 6:14 >Angels Of Death 6:49 >Ghost Dance 4:53 >Golden Void 3:12 >Psychedelic Warlords 5:05 > >47:34 > >Disc II > >Psychedelic Warlord Jam 1:52 >Creatures Of The Nite 4:59 >Utopia 2:20 >Arrival In Utopia 6:04 >Solitary Mind Games 6:22 >Sonic Attack 5:53 >Dream Worker 5:34 >Brainstorm 9:48 >Ejection 4:46 (encore) > >47:42 total > >Sound quality is quite good. Ejection fades out due to the master tape >running out, I'm not sure if they performed another encore that night. >Fabulous artwork by Kevin Sommers included for this show. > >Once again, send me a PRIVATE email to sign up for the the chain. It'll >probably start off in about 5 days. > >dan ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Tue Nov 28 13:24:49 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:24:49 -0800 Subject: Halloween 82 chain status? Message-ID: I've managed to track it down, and that person has agreed to send it to me. Bryan, send me your address and I'll make sure that you get it after me. Looks like the list of participants got messed up somewhere along the line. MWood NP: Grobschnitt - _Die Grobschnitt Story_ >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:22:31 -0600 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Bryan Young >Subject: Re: Halloween 82 chain status? >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Yeah, I'm sure I signed up for all chains and I've only gotten the one. No >idea where this one is, but I'd love to get it. > >Bryan Young [ deletia ] >>The 10/31/1982 Bristol chain is ready to go. >> >>Disc I >> >>Choose Your Masques 7:07 >>Coded Languages 5:11 >>Magnu 5:02 >>Dust Of Time 3:57 >>Waiting For Tomorrow 6:14 >>Angels Of Death 6:49 >>Ghost Dance 4:53 >>Golden Void 3:12 >>Psychedelic Warlords 5:05 >> >>47:34 >> >>Disc II >> >>Psychedelic Warlord Jam 1:52 >>Creatures Of The Nite 4:59 >>Utopia 2:20 >>Arrival In Utopia 6:04 >>Solitary Mind Games 6:22 >>Sonic Attack 5:53 >>Dream Worker 5:34 >>Brainstorm 9:48 >>Ejection 4:46 (encore) >> >>47:42 total >> >>Sound quality is quite good. Ejection fades out due to the master tape >>running out, I'm not sure if they performed another encore that night. >>Fabulous artwork by Kevin Sommers included for this show. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:19:08 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:19:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: AP message from Dr. Synth Message-ID: Forwarding for your convenience... Greetings to friends, fans, musicnauts, martains, earthlings and interplanetary beings The nation's oldest continually functioning SpaceRock/Headcore band(formed 1980) STILL exists, we're about to release "RED MARS", a Dbl CD of Electronic Music. Look for it in January/February. Meantime, we've reissued RADIO SPECIAL 8, our 1992 BigBand cassette CD and MESSAGE FROM SPACE, a duet Cassette Cd from 1985, both availible on CDr. We are reforming the band, and would be interested in hearing from interested Rhythm section players and Saxophonists (please, pros/competent seasoned musicians with transport & Pro gear only...be familiar with SPACEROCK Music) in the NYC area. Most of our other Cassette & Cd releases are back in print, over 120 releases spanning 21 years of SpaceRock music. Contact us at: dwa2898572 at aol.com Doctor Synth From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:43:07 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:43:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: Hi Folks... I was browsing in a Borders store the other day in Chicago, and noticed an interview/article about Spinal Tap in the most recent issue of Mojo (I think it was). Surprisingly, between the three principals and Meathead, they pretty much give away all the inspirations for the majority of peculiarities of the band as it is documented in the original movie. Including Derek Smalls' facial hair being directly copied from Lemmy (there's a photo of the Lemster there for the clueless to compare). It appears that if there was one single band that was to be considered the model to which Spinal Tap was most closely designed, that band is Saxon! (Which is interesting given that they didn't go through *that* many drummers - three? - and that they didn't have a history that goes back to the flower power era.) But it's mentioned that one of them (I think it was Lenny, aka McKean) actually toured with them as a roadie and learned about some of their strange stories, like the cucumber incident. But then a bunch of other things came from completely separate stories from all sorts of other artists. I think it said that Ozzy inspired the 'can't find the stage' incident. Anyway, I found it an interesting read, and almost wonder if the interview itself (which seems completely believable) is actually a ruse to mislead us, as this is the first time I recall them ever speaking of the characters without actually *being* in character. Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Danger Kitty - Love Rocket From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 14:48:44 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:48:44 EST Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: anyone who's ever been in or worked with a touring rock band knows that the inspiration ofr Spinal Tap is..... all of 'em. bobm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 14:18:26 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:18:26 EDT Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection In-Reply-To: <79.cb71f37.2755661c@aol.com> Message-ID: On 28 Nov 00, at 14:48, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > anyone who's ever been in or worked with a touring rock band knows > that the inspiration ofr Spinal Tap is..... > > > all of 'em. > Bloom has been quoted saying: 'We ARE Spinal Tap...' The members of the Scorpions walked out of a screening en masse at the part where they talk about the drummer choking on vomit! theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 28 14:06:32 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:06:32 -0000 Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: you'll have to ask Doug Smith that one....I'm not sure if even Dave knows. Andy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 1:42 AM Subject: Re: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > Is it the mix down master tapes mixing or the actual multitrack reel to reel > tape thats missing. If its the mastered mixes that are missing why not just > re master them > I'll do it for FREE ... it is my profession. > > Mb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denis Regenbrecht > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:54 AM > Subject: HW: WotEoT CD (was: OFF: Cranium rocks) > > > > Hi, > > > > Andy Garibaldi wrote: > > > > >What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why > > >'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like > the > > >rest, so where's the problem? > > > > Wasn't there a problem because of lost original master-tapes? At least > > that's what I've heard. > > > > (c)IAO > > > > D'lucky owner of Dojo-issue'+R > > -- > > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > > > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de > > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 28 15:42:13 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:42:13 -0500 Subject: HW: - Space Rock - radio Message-ID: Michael asked... >A while back I posted an email regarding my getting a spot at our local radio >station to do a Space Rock special Just one night? >Anyway - I'll be getting into that later next year. ?? >I am still looking forward to getting any material or info leading me there Could you be more specific? What 'material'? Any particular bands/styles? (Or maybe it would be easier if you said what you already have.) >In my last email I forgot to add I am Happy to pay for the CD's >{just so it is known that I'm not on the scrounge for free stuff} I've made compilation CD-R's for other radio (and internet radio) people in the past...is that the kind of thing you're looking for? E-mail offline if you want to respond to me personally (I'm putting this up on the list publicly, 'cause perhaps others also weren't sure what you were asking for). henderson.120 at osu.edu Grakkl (FAA) ObCD: Legendary Pink Dots - Farewell, Milky Way (1994 Live, released 2000) From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 15:52:31 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:52:31 -0000 Subject: HW: SM shaped pic-disc for sale Message-ID: Hi Anybody interested in buying a copy of Samurai's 1986 shaped picture disc of Silver Machine / Magnu? Picture and shape is rider on his motorbike. E-mail with offer if interested. 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Otherwise, it's early-90s-style HW in full flight, and I'll match 'em against just about any other version :) There is, admittedly, little call for versions of IITBOTFTBD ... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 28 16:23:12 2000 From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:23:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cranium rocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01.48 +1300 28.11.2000, Richard Stockwell wrote: >> Now if I could just get Warrior on the edge of time on CD...... > >Arrggghhhh No !!! ... not the Warrior on the Edge of Time .... the hardest >Hawkwind album to find. Gosh, I guess all I have to do is wait long enough for my HW CDs to be rarities! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM Tue Nov 28 16:55:41 2000 From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:55:41 +0000 Subject: HW passports In-Reply-To: <000801c05966$a2cf3a40$2a68883e@bedroomt> Message-ID: At 18.11 +0000 28.11.2000, bedroom trancer wrote: >got my hawkwind passport today!!!!! :-) >cheers Kris and Dave for returning it back to me so quickly >can't wait for the xmas party gig >looking forward to getting in early and checking out the band during the >soundcheck Yeah, I've got to get my passport pictures taken so that I can return the form! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com From nick at NETPHD.NET Tue Nov 28 17:05:31 2000 From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:05:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection In-Reply-To: <200011282018.PAA14669@syr.edu> Message-ID: > Bloom has been quoted saying: 'We ARE Spinal Tap...' And of course, underscoring that point is the early 80s "Godzilla" tour shirt with the marquee that reads: Puppet Show! Blue Oyster Cult! > The members of the Scorpions walked out of a screening en masse > at the part where they talk about the drummer choking on vomit! > > theo Why? Did the Scorpions lose a member like that? I never heard that one. --Nick From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 17:32:22 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:32:22 -0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine shaped pic-disc for sale Message-ID: Hi, When I say "Samarai's" I mean "Hawkwind on Samarai record label". Apologies for any confusion caused. Jez ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: HW: SM shaped pic-disc for sale Hi Anybody interested in buying a copy of Samurai's 1986 shaped picture disc of Silver Machine / Magnu? Picture and shape is rider on his motorbike. E-mail with offer if interested. Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 28 19:57:32 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:32 +1030 Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: IITBOTFTBD someone Please translate this for for me? do'oh Mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) > >On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI > >Neither of those explain why it's out of print (nor why core albums like > >'Astounding Sounds', 'Quark', 'PXR5' and '25 Years On' are also unavailable > >... while Castle runs of more remasters of also-rans like 'Palace Springs' > >and 'IitFtbD'), but it shows that WHATEVER the story is, it's something > >complicated. > > Hey, _PS_ is one of my favorite albums (OK, barring the fairly lame > "Acid Test"). Otherwise, it's early-90s-style HW in full flight, and > I'll match 'em against just about any other version :) > > There is, admittedly, little call for versions of IITBOTFTBD ... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com > From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 19:59:44 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:59:44 EST Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: that would be "It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous" the album title, Michael. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 20:03:41 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:03:41 EST Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: musically, the closest paralell has to be Uriah Heep...listen to 'Rainbow Demon' with this in mind and TRY not to lol... bobm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 20:09:42 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:09:42 EST Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: In a message dated 11/28/00 1:30:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM writes: > Hey, _PS_ is one of my favorite albums (OK, barring the fairly lame > "Acid Test"). nah, nah, it's cool... but that's the techno debate again (which in its last run actually didn't start much of a debate...too bad. :) Otherwise, it's early-90s-style HW in full flight, and > I'll match 'em against just about any other version :) actually, not to nitpik (but if I do, it's this list's fault for being such pikkers), but the source live material is from '89, right? or at least most of it? ya'll taught me well, Chuck > > There is, admittedly, little call for versions of IITBOTFTBD ... ;) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 28 20:11:40 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:11:40 -0800 Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks) Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:27:17 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Hey, _PS_ is one of my favorite albums (OK, barring the fairly lame > "Acid Test"). Otherwise, it's early-90s-style HW in full flight, and > I'll match 'em against just about any other version :) > > There is, admittedly, little call for versions of IITBOTFTBD ... ;) ... actually, I wasn't intending to totally slag off those albums. I like 'Palace Springs' quite a bit (even "Acid Test", 'cause I really like it when Harvey gets a bit nutty - which is why I prefer him as a solo artist to Simon House, even though Simon is the [far far far] superior musician - he was vastly entertaining at Stange Daze this summer), and (not sure if you were on the list when I came up with this theory, Carl) IitBotFtbD works extremely well for me when I think of it as a Richard Chadwick solo album (in the same way 'Church of Hawkwind' works best for me as a Brock solo album). (Main points to that theory being: A) the strongest "real instrument" playing on the album is Richard's drums, since Dave & Alan are mostly playing synths, B) almost every song is co-written by him, C) it's the only Hawkwind album that he has a lead vocal on!) All I meant was that (IMO, of course) anyone getting into Hawkwind beyond a "greatest hits" compilation NEEDS to hear 'Quark' and 'PXR5' (just as they NEED to hear 'Space Ritual', 'Warrior', etc.), while PS and IitBotFtbD should be albums purchased much farther down the line (unless the person in question is a techno/trance fan who hates Rock&Roll, in which case he or she should probably START with IitBotFtbD [sorry I mangled that abbreviation so badly in my original message]). Oh yeah, I consider 'Palace Springs' to be a 90's Hawkwind album, just like I consider 'Live 79' to be an 80's Hawkwind album [the same way that, at least in the USA, the 50's ended with Kennedy's assassination & the arrival of the Beatles, and the 60's ended with Nixon's resignation & the end of the Vietnam war] ... Huw's arrival AND departure changed the sound and focus of the band considerably, and his presence definitely contributed to a very "80's" sound. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Nov 28 21:50:25 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:20:25 +1030 Subject: HW - Am I worthy Message-ID: Was cruising around Mission Control (its luch time) and came accross the fan sites link Is the Electric Tepee worthy of a Link at the MISSION? Any comments welcome! Mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 06:37:37 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:37:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection In-Reply-To: <200011282205.RAA03740@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 28 Nov 00, at 17:05, Nick English wrote: > > The members of the Scorpions walked out of a > screening en masse > > at the part where they talk about the drummer choking > on vomit! > > > > theo > > Why? Did the Scorpions lose a member like that? I > never heard that one. > No, but they felt that the satire was too severe, given that that's how rock icons Jimi Hendrix and John Bonham checked out. Guess they're too dumb to get the joke, an opinion borne out upon listening to their music! theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 29 07:51:12 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:51:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: > > > > > The members of the Scorpions walked out of a > > screening en masse > > > at the part where they talk about the drummer choking > > on vomit! > > > > > > theo > > > > Why? Did the Scorpions lose a member like that? I > > never heard that one. > > > No, but they felt that the satire was too severe, given that that's how > rock icons Jimi Hendrix and John Bonham checked out. Guess > they're too dumb to get the joke, an opinion borne out upon listening > to their music! But at least they choked on their *own* vomit... :-) R. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Nov 29 09:15:58 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:15:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: Of course, its hard to dust for vomit. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lockwood [SMTP:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:51 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection > > > > > > > > > The members of the Scorpions walked out of a > > > screening en masse > > > > at the part where they talk about the drummer choking > > > on vomit! > > > > > > > > theo > > > > > > Why? Did the Scorpions lose a member like that? I > > > never heard that one. > > > > > No, but they felt that the satire was too severe, given that that's how > > rock icons Jimi Hendrix and John Bonham checked out. Guess > > they're too dumb to get the joke, an opinion borne out upon listening > > to their music! > > But at least they choked on their *own* vomit... > > :-) > > R. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 09:32:38 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:32:38 EST Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/00 7:38:24 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > Why? Did the Scorpions lose a member like that? I > never heard that one. > No, but they felt that the satire was too severe, given that that's how rock icons Jimi Hendrix and John Bonham checked out. Guess they're too dumb to get the joke, an opinion borne out upon listening to their music! >> ================ coupla things: i thought the 'spinal tap' movie was so close to the truth that it wasnt all that funny. == pour moi, there were 2 occasions in dsra when drumming and hurling just didnt mix; once at an outdoor fourth of july gig, when i had to stop the song, lean over and puke, and replay the song from the top.... -_- another time, at a club in boston, the combination of one plain donut, a handful of rolaids, and one beer led me to gag and/or gargle my way through the last four songs of the set... [trivia for the disinterested majority: yeah, the live version of 'down at the mall' on the tape reflects the circumstances i've just described] "<>" designated drivers, but no designated drummers? ..oy... From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 11:53:38 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:53:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: > How about this.... Women & children first? M at xine From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 12:27:01 2000 From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:27:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: > It appears that if there was one single band that was to be considered the > model to which Spinal Tap was most closely designed, that band is Saxon! AARRRRRggghhhhhhh! I have been trying to remember that name since the thread about backing bands appeared. I believe they backed Hawkwind at the Derbyshire Rock'n'blues '96 or 97? - the music sounded so dated/stale I was almost put off heavy rock for life! M at xine From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 12:34:05 2000 From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:34:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Wesley" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > How about this.... > > Women & children first? No, no no. It should be first come first served. People with the lowest number tickets are obviously the people who rushed out and got tickets immediatly. Much fairer. My ticket is 07 ;) Si From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 12:53:42 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:53:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: Si Halley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maxine Wesley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > > > How about this.... > > > > Women & children first? > > No, no no. It should be first come first served. People with the lowest > number tickets are obviously the people who rushed out and got tickets > immediatly. Much fairer. > My ticket is 07 ;) Mine's 2 Beat that!! Keef From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Nov 29 16:46:02 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:46:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection In-Reply-To: ; from DASLUD@AOL.COM on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:32:38AM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:32:38AM -0500, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > once at an outdoor fourth of july gig, when i had to stop the song, lean > over and puke, and replay the song from the top.... -_- Nash the Slash was once doing his usual instruments+loops+bandages (+lotsa beer) thing, when the urge came upon him. He recorded a few bars into the sequencer, left it looping while he dashed offstage to puke, then came back onstage and picked up where he left off. I didn't see this myself, alas; I heard it from a mutual friend. (I wish I could remember whether he was playing solo or with a band that night!) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. - Chris Garrigues From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 29 17:03:18 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:03:18 -0800 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:32:38 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >i thought the 'spinal tap' movie was so close to the truth that it wasnt all >that funny. "It's funny ... 'cause it's true!" I've described Hawkwind to the uninitiated as "sort of like a real-life Spinal Tap". Once I play "Sonic Attack" for them and show them the gatefold sleeve of 'This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic', they tend to agree ... >pour moi, there were 2 occasions in dsra when drumming and hurling just didnt >mix; once at an outdoor fourth of july gig, when i had to stop the song, lean >over and puke, and replay the song from the top.... -_- I once played a gig with a pregnant drummer (in the car on the way, she was double-fisting Starbursts and Potato Chips. Yum!), but fortunately she was able to hold it off until the end of the show. As soon as we stopped playing, she had to run out to the alley behind the venue to do her business, while the owner, calmly smoking a cigarette out back, watched ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From hw at CY-B.ORG Wed Nov 29 17:21:36 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:21:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Message-ID: ++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS Important Xmas information update now up on Mission Control Updates Page www.hawkwind.org.uk Also: Catalogue page updated ++MESSAGE ENDS From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 16:26:46 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:26:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap - Lemmy connection In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001129140318.009df7d0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On 29 Nov 00, at 14:03, Doug Pearson wrote: > I once played a gig with a pregnant drummer (in the car on the way, > she was double-fisting hey, there are minors reading this list! theo From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 29 17:37:29 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:37:29 -0600 Subject: HW: In-Reply-To: <200011292221.RAA24901@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rik Rx wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: : :++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS : :Important Xmas information update now up on :Mission Control Updates Page :www.hawkwind.org.uk : :Also: Catalogue page updated : :++MESSAGE ENDS >From the updates page: We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress, and yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get you in to the after party party !!! 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go? 2) Has the location for the after party party been decided yet? Thanks, Arin (airline tix in hand, hw passport ordered, concert ticket soon, would like to get hotel arranged soon.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM Wed Nov 29 18:04:23 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:04:23 +1100 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: Gidday just been rereading the Born to Go book, and when the band were recording tracks for was eventually to become ASAM, Simon King was quoted as saying there are more tracks down than we actually need. My question is : what if any were the unused tracks ? From the set lists the March dates only have "Making of Midgard" as the only non album track - but this was on lucky leif. I remember in a Hawkfan that Brian Tawn was on the phone to Dave and he was playing him lots of Stuff never heard before. So Dave do you remember what the unused songs were , and are there any Studio Recordings of Uncle Sam/Robot ? Marty Lawrence From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Nov 29 18:20:44 2000 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:20:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Peter Pracownik's art Message-ID: Hi, as stated on the Mission Control-website there will be an art exhibition by Peter Pracownik before the X-mas gig. After looking at some of his works on his website I can only say: he's the perfect man to design the next HW-album cover! Just look at his Hawkwind-poster: http://www.peterpracownik.com/hawkwindmillenium.htm Wow! (c)IAO D'still searching for a hotel'+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 29 19:11:35 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:11:35 -0800 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:04:23 +1100, "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" wrote: >just been rereading the Born to Go book, and when the band were recording >tracks for was eventually to become >ASAM, Simon King was quoted as saying there are more tracks down than we >actually need. My question is : what if any were the unused tracks ? I wonder if he's counting stuff like "Honky Dorky" that's not really a different track (in this case, a studio jam on the mid-section of "Reefer Madness"). Or possibly songs that started as Brock compositions, but turned into the familiar Brock/Calvert tracks after Bob rejoined. >From >the set lists the March dates only have "Making of Midgard" >as the only non album track - but this was on lucky leif. The post-'Warrior' / pre-ASAM era now seems to be about the only era of Hawkwind completely un-documented in existing live releases (except the Watchfield Festival). I would be really curious to hear some of that stuff, especially if there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar (his guitar playing with the Deviants, 'Capt. Lockheed', Pink Fairies & Eno does A LOT more for me than his bass playing with Hawkwind & Eno) ... >I remember in a Hawkfan that Brian Tawn was on the phone to Dave and he was >playing him lots of Stuff never heard before. Could they have been near-demos like "Infinity" & "Life Form" from 'PXR5'? Are there other demo tracks from that era that didn't make it onto 'PXR5' but pre-dated the demos on the Weird Tapes? >So Dave do you remember what the unused songs were , Paul Rudolph would probably also be a good person to ask about this, too, since they were using a lot of his compositions ("Back on the Streets", "Time For Sale", "Hassan i Sahba") at the time. Although those would seem to date from *after* ASAM ... I expect that all 3 of those songs (and "Uncle Sam's On Mars") would have been included on the follow-up to ASAM, had the lineup remained the same. Does "Where are they Now?" date from this era ... it sounds to me like it could ... >and are there any Studio Recordings of Uncle Sam/Robot ? Or "Time For Sale"? I would think that if there were, they would have been used instead of the live versions of 'PXR5', unless they were instrumental-only tracks that never had vocals recorded since Calvert left the band. Probably likely to be more questions than answers about this one ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 19:49:48 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:49:48 +0000 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001129161135.009e5160@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: In message <3.0.6.32.20001129161135.009e5160 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes > I would be really curious to hear some of that >stuff, especially if there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar (his >guitar playing with the Deviants, 'Capt. Lockheed', Pink Fairies & Eno does >A LOT more for me than his bass playing with Hawkwind & Eno) ... There's a pic of him playing guitar in the CD booklet of Thrilling Adventures, and it's hard to believe they wouldn't have made ANY use of his huge talents. Anyone who doubts that he was once a barnstorming psychedelic electric guitar demigod- check out his playing on early Fairies tracks like 'Do It', 'Walk Don't Run', 'Portobello Shuffle' to name but a few. I've not heard any of his more recent output with Twink, but everyone who has says it's shite. Does anyone anywhere have a good word to say about the 'Pleasure Island' album?! -- Nick Medford From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 29 20:23:01 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:23:01 -0800 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:49:48 +0000, Nick Medford wrote: >In message <3.0.6.32.20001129161135.009e5160 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug >Pearson writes > >>I would be really curious to hear some of that stuff, especially if >>there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar ... > >There's a pic of him playing guitar in the CD booklet of Thrilling >Adventures, and it's hard to believe they wouldn't have made ANY use of >his huge talents. Anyone who doubts that he was once a barnstorming >psychedelic electric guitar demigod- check out his playing on early Fairies >tracks like 'Do It', 'Walk Don't Run', 'Portobello Shuffle' to name but a few. Yes! Or the 'Deviants (#3)' (aka "Nun and popsicle") album. Or, especially, the loooong version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" that originally appeared on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' set and is now on numerous Pink Fairies archival collections (if you search the archives, you'll run across a lengthy discussion on those from feb. 99 ... the boc-l archives can be searched at: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html). I've seen review(s?) of Hawkwind shows that mention Rudolph playing guitar (and, I think, Simon House playing bass? I should've asked him about that in the recent Cyberspace Interview, if I hadn't already asked about 18 different questions...), but have never seen/heard any "hard" evidence (photos, tapes). >I've not heard any of his more recent output with Twink, but everyone who >has says it's shite. Does anyone anywhere have a good word to say about the >'Pleasure Island' album?! check the archives at: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9902a&L=boc-l&F=&S=&P=5725 for Jill Strobridge's comments on 'Pleasure Island' (which she typos as, 'Paradise island'). I think the gist is that, it sucks except for the last track which is pretty cool blanga ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 29 21:40:58 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:10:58 +1030 Subject: love in space Message-ID: ya hoo my love in space video is on its way from cdnow!! yipeee Michael Blackman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 29 21:42:08 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:12:08 +1030 Subject: HW: Party after the party! Message-ID: > > How about this.... > > Women & children first? > > M at xine Aussies next 8>)))) Mich at el B ----- Original Message ----- From: Maxine Wesley To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: Re: HW: Party after the party! > > How about this.... > > Women & children first? > > M at xine From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Wed Nov 29 21:55:48 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:55:48 +1300 Subject: love in space In-Reply-To: <004d01c05a77$063f6580$5bd0223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: That is one mighty Hawkwind video. Richard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 29 21:52:40 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:22:40 +1030 Subject: not even remotely Hawkwind Related Message-ID: Received a touching email from my Father today that put a lump in my throat & a tear in my eye for some time Didn't know fathers could do such a thing Far out Mich at el B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Nov 29 22:59:45 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:59:45 -0500 Subject: love in space Message-ID: I will have to watch mine again. I only watched once and thought it had terrible sound quality. I have not heard any one else complain, so I just must have ended up with a bad copy. I can't wait to get my hands on the Weird CDs. The sooner the better. Chris Richard Stockwell wrote: > > That is one mighty Hawkwind video. > > Richard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 29 23:54:45 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:24:45 +1030 Subject: HW check this oot mon Message-ID: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Poster_Artwork.htm some cool schtuff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Nov 29 23:55:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:25:50 +1030 Subject: love in space Message-ID: can't wait do yopu stock vids as well richard? Mich at el B South Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Stockwell To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: Re: love in space > That is one mighty Hawkwind video. > > Richard From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 00:18:08 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:48:08 +1030 Subject: Hw Mission Control Message-ID: I absolutly love Mission control Its beautiful!! Mich at el B South Oz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 00:23:30 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:53:30 +1030 Subject: HW: Message-ID: Hi there Regarding the fancy dress to get into the party party How will that affect overseas passport holders? I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage? Humbly Mich at el Blackman South Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Rx To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: HW: > ++GREETINGS STAR WARRIORS > > Important Xmas information update now up on > Mission Control Updates Page > www.hawkwind.org.uk > > Also: Catalogue page updated > > ++MESSAGE ENDS > From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ Thu Nov 30 01:22:00 2000 From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:22:00 +1300 Subject: love in space In-Reply-To: <001601c05a89$d0330d80$22cd223f@michaelangelo68> Message-ID: > do yopu stock vids as well richard? Had Love In Space video in stock in the past but nothing now or any other Hawkwind video's at present. Richard From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 04:10:42 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:10:42 EST Subject: HW/BOC: Archives Message-ID: In a message dated 11/29/00 5:36:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > the boc-l archives > can be searched at: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html). > hey, thanks for posting this. I know it's always been available, but i just checked it out now for the first time--a real blast, trips down cyber-memory lane...names I'd forgotten, reviews of the then-latest HW/related (of course no BOC) releases which I ignored mostly because I didn't have them then--very interesting to read now. and Doug, you still have the same e-mail address (amazing)... Chuck From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 05:53:59 2000 From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:53:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Message-ID: Arin Komins wrote: > >From the updates page: > > We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress, and > yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get you in > to the after party party !!! > > 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go? > Right that does it, I'm going dressed as a certain Islamic killer that Hawkwind are so fond of!! What are you lot going as? Keef From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 07:41:58 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:11:58 +1030 Subject: HW: Message-ID: Elric Of Melnibone!!!!! Yeeeaaaaa Mich at el South Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: > Arin Komins wrote: > > > >From the updates page: > > > > We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress, and > > yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get you in > > to the after party party !!! > > > > 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go? > > > > Right that does it, I'm going dressed as a certain Islamic killer that > Hawkwind are so fond of!! > > What are you lot going as? > > Keef From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 07:48:39 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:18:39 +1030 Subject: HW: Message-ID: Elric Of Melnibone!!!!! I hope they let me in the country with my sword!!! 8>))) Yeeeaaaaa Mich at el South Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Barton To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: > Arin Komins wrote: > > > >From the updates page: > > > > We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress, and > > yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get you in > > to the after party party !!! > > > > 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go? > > > > Right that does it, I'm going dressed as a certain Islamic killer that > Hawkwind are so fond of!! > > What are you lot going as? > > Keef From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 08:14:16 2000 From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:14:16 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC: Archives Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:10:42 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >In a message dated 11/29/00 5:36:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, >ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > >> the boc-l archives >> can be searched at: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html). >> Had an enjoyable trawl through the archives. I must recommend this for anyone else who's joined since Feb '99: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9903d&L=boc-l&P=27252 Lemmy's dewy-eyed reminiscence and the comment from Andrew are both classics. Indeed between the two of them they sum up much of Hawkwind's appeal. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 08:30:57 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:53:30 +1030 Message-ID: Michael Blackman writes: > Regarding the fancy dress to get into the party party > > How will that affect overseas passport holders? > > I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage? Only if you come as Rolf Harris. FoFP From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 08:38:00 2000 From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:38:00 +0000 Subject: HW: 1970's footage Message-ID: It still amazes me that there's almost nothing of Hawkwind playing on film/video from the 1970s.... I've recently watched film from IOW 1970 and Woodstock 1969(?) and other bands from the same era - all fairly good quality film and audio and in full colour. And yet, despite *many hundreds* of gigs and despite millions of fans and despite HW being the most visual group out, not a single home movie or film or video was ever made of them in this decade. Amazing. I keep hoping that someone will pipe up one day and say 'Oh, why didn't you say, I've got 2 hours of them at xxxxx hall from 1975' or something.... Let's hope! Steve Litchfield http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 30 12:54:42 2000 From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:54:42 -0000 Subject: HW: 1970's footage Message-ID: They found that whole gig from the early 70s a few years back but lost the sound tapes, which is tragic. Whatever did happen to that film, I presume the tapes are still lost as we haven't seen it released :-( Rich From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Nov 30 14:44:41 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:44:41 -0800 Subject: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT Message-ID: > > > > I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage? > > Only if you come as Rolf Harris. > Having heard what he did to Stairway To Heaven, I can only imagine what he'd do to Master Of The Universe..... scorch (Tie me Silver Machine down, sport!) From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Nov 30 14:53:40 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:53:40 -0800 Subject: love in space Message-ID: > > I will have to watch mine again. I only watched once and thought it had > terrible sound quality. I have not heard any one else complain, so I > just must have ended up with a bad copy. > I can't wait to get my hands on the Weird CDs. The sooner the better. > I thought *I* was the only one. Mine has crap sound as well, I can watch the indicators for the stereo sound tracks flash off and on in the vcr's display window. I can only stand to play it on the deck where I can switch the stereo track off manually and only listen to the sound recorded in with the video signal. The sound problem sounds like it is a copy-protection artifact the way is cuts in and out, very regularly. scorch From hw at CY-B.ORG Thu Nov 30 15:26:42 2000 From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:26:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Updates Message-ID: ++STAR WARRIORS UPDATED INFORMATION on Mission Control Updates Page www.hawkwind.org.uk ++MESSAGE ENDS From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 30 15:33:41 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:33:41 -0000 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: There is certainly a good demo version of Kadu Flyer doing the rounds. Maybe there are others? Captain Black Starfield. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA] To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:04 PM Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings > Gidday > just been rereading the Born to Go book, and when the band were recording > tracks for was eventually to become > ASAM, Simon King was quoted as saying there are more tracks down than we > actually need. My question is : what if any were the unused tracks ? From > the set lists the March dates only have "Making of Midgard" > as the only non album track - but this was on lucky leif. > I remember in a Hawkfan that Brian Tawn was on the phone to Dave and he was > playing him lots of Stuff never heard before. > So Dave do you remember what the unused songs were , and are there any > Studio Recordings of Uncle Sam/Robot ? > > > Marty Lawrence From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 30 15:36:01 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:36:01 -0000 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: ...and a five minute studio version of Where Are They Now is also on bootleg. Captain Black Starfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:11 AM Subject: Re: HW:Excess Studio recordings > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:04:23 +1100, "Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]" > wrote: > >just been rereading the Born to Go book, and when the band were recording > >tracks for was eventually to become > >ASAM, Simon King was quoted as saying there are more tracks down than we > >actually need. My question is : what if any were the unused tracks ? > > I wonder if he's counting stuff like "Honky Dorky" that's not really a > different track (in this case, a studio jam on the mid-section of "Reefer > Madness"). Or possibly songs that started as Brock compositions, but > turned into the familiar Brock/Calvert tracks after Bob rejoined. > > >From > >the set lists the March dates only have "Making of Midgard" > >as the only non album track - but this was on lucky leif. > > The post-'Warrior' / pre-ASAM era now seems to be about the only era of > Hawkwind completely un-documented in existing live releases (except the > Watchfield Festival). I would be really curious to hear some of that > stuff, especially if there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar (his > guitar playing with the Deviants, 'Capt. Lockheed', Pink Fairies & Eno does > A LOT more for me than his bass playing with Hawkwind & Eno) ... > > >I remember in a Hawkfan that Brian Tawn was on the phone to Dave and he was > >playing him lots of Stuff never heard before. > > Could they have been near-demos like "Infinity" & "Life Form" from 'PXR5'? > Are there other demo tracks from that era that didn't make it onto 'PXR5' > but pre-dated the demos on the Weird Tapes? > > >So Dave do you remember what the unused songs were , > > Paul Rudolph would probably also be a good person to ask about this, too, > since they were using a lot of his compositions ("Back on the Streets", > "Time For Sale", "Hassan i Sahba") at the time. Although those would seem > to date from *after* ASAM ... I expect that all 3 of those songs (and > "Uncle Sam's On Mars") would have been included on the follow-up to ASAM, > had the lineup remained the same. > > Does "Where are they Now?" date from this era ... it sounds to me like it > could ... > > >and are there any Studio Recordings of Uncle Sam/Robot ? > > Or "Time For Sale"? I would think that if there were, they would have been > used instead of the live versions of 'PXR5', unless they were > instrumental-only tracks that never had vocals recorded since Calvert left > the band. > > Probably likely to be more questions than answers about this one ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 30 15:38:52 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:38:52 -0000 Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings Message-ID: Apparently Dave used to play bass too - a rare Fender 6-string though I've never seen any photos of it. Incidently, on the Live '76 album, Paul Rudolph plays lead on at least Chronoglide Skyway and Kerb Crawler. I wonder if he played rhythm guitar on the original version of Assasins of Allah - he wrote the riff after all. Captain Black Starfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:23 AM Subject: Re: HW:Excess Studio recordings > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:49:48 +0000, Nick Medford > wrote: > >In message <3.0.6.32.20001129161135.009e5160 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug > >Pearson writes > > > >>I would be really curious to hear some of that stuff, especially if > >>there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar ... > > > >There's a pic of him playing guitar in the CD booklet of Thrilling > >Adventures, and it's hard to believe they wouldn't have made ANY use of > >his huge talents. Anyone who doubts that he was once a barnstorming > >psychedelic electric guitar demigod- check out his playing on early Fairies > >tracks like 'Do It', 'Walk Don't Run', 'Portobello Shuffle' to name but a > few. > > Yes! Or the 'Deviants (#3)' (aka "Nun and popsicle") album. Or, > especially, the loooong version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" that > originally appeared on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' set and is now on numerous > Pink Fairies archival collections (if you search the archives, you'll run > across a lengthy discussion on those from feb. 99 ... the boc-l archives > can be searched at: http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html). > > I've seen review(s?) of Hawkwind shows that mention Rudolph playing guitar > (and, I think, Simon House playing bass? I should've asked him about that > in the recent Cyberspace Interview, if I hadn't already asked about 18 > different questions...), but have never seen/heard any "hard" evidence > (photos, tapes). > > >I've not heard any of his more recent output with Twink, but everyone who > >has says it's shite. Does anyone anywhere have a good word to say about the > >'Pleasure Island' album?! > > check the archives at: > > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9902a&L=boc-l&F=&S=&P=5725 > > for Jill Strobridge's comments on 'Pleasure Island' (which she typos as, > 'Paradise island'). I think the gist is that, it sucks except for the last > track which is pretty cool blanga ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 30 15:42:07 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:42:07 -0000 Subject: HW: 1970's footage Message-ID: I heard a rumour (from a reliable source) that someone in Scandinavia has a Space Ritual video - in Black & White. Captain Black Starfield ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: HW: 1970's footage > It still amazes me that there's almost nothing of Hawkwind playing on > film/video from the 1970s.... I've recently watched film from IOW 1970 and > Woodstock 1969(?) and other bands from the same era - all fairly good > quality film and audio and in full colour. > > And yet, despite *many hundreds* of gigs and despite millions of fans and > despite HW being the most visual group out, not a single home movie or > film or video was ever made of them in this decade. Amazing. > > I keep hoping that someone will pipe up one day and say 'Oh, why didn't > you say, I've got 2 hours of them at xxxxx hall from 1975' or > something.... > > Let's hope! > > Steve Litchfield > http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind From starfield at SUPANET.COM Thu Nov 30 15:54:46 2000 From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:54:46 -0000 Subject: Warrrior on the Edge of Time Message-ID: Interesting to read that the Dojo issue was mastered from vinyl. That explains the sound quality (good, but not up there with the remastered Space Ritual). The Griffin re-issue is better, but still not top notch. I'll sell my Dojo copy if anyone wants to make me an offer. Strange thing, missing master tapes.I gather the master of Honky Dorky has also gone awol. This track was actually cut from Reefer Madness, which is why there is the sound of an aeroplane flying overhead, to hide the edit. Captain Black Starfield -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 30 16:21:45 2000 From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:21:45 +0000 Subject: HW: In-Reply-To: <3A2631C7.95C9FFA5@cinesite.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Keith Barton wrote: > Arin Komins wrote: > > > >From the updates page: > > > > We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress, and > > yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get you in > > to the after party party !!! > > > > 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go? > > > > Right that does it, I'm going dressed as a certain Islamic killer that > Hawkwind are so fond of!! > > What are you lot going as? I'll be going as a goth, and if we hhave to miss any to get the last tube back to Rickmansworht, I'll be going as a n extremely unhappy goth. 3 Kirsten From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 16:50:23 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:50:23 -0000 Subject: HW: ICU President's Tapes for sale Message-ID: Hi, Anybody after a vinyl copy of ICU's President's Tapes LP? Mint condition. Picture inner sleeve. Track list: Stonehenge Who Knows? President's Tape Newspeak Europaville Fungus Among Us ICU World Of LSD Big Foot Zodiac Please E-mail me if interested. Cheers, Jez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Nov 30 18:38:39 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:38:39 GMT Subject: HW: 1970's footage Message-ID: Hello everyone, There was the clip (all 5 seconds of it) of Terry Ollis on that documentry on the IoW festival on BBC 2 a couple of weeks ago (the one with Mick Farren). Was this part of that 1970 film without sound that was unearthed a few years ago or somthing else? Maybe the producer or researcher of the programme could be contacted to provide some answers. Unfortunately I didn't tape it, but if anyone did there may be names in the end credits who could be contacted. Surely the clip must be just a small part of a bigger feature on the band - just think, lying on a dusty shelf in the BBC archives is footage of HW playing for free in 1970! Mick Steve wrote: > It still amazes me that there's almost nothing of Hawkwind playing on > film/video from the 1970s.... I've recently watched film from IOW 1970 and > Woodstock 1969(?) and other bands from the same era - all fairly good > quality film and audio and in full colour. > > And yet, despite *many hundreds* of gigs and despite millions of fans and > despite HW being the most visual group out, not a single home movie or > film or video was ever made of them in this decade. Amazing. > > I keep hoping that someone will pipe up one day and say 'Oh, why didn't > you say, I've got 2 hours of them at xxxxx hall from 1975' or > something.... > > Let's hope! > > Steve Litchfield > http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 19:13:48 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:43:48 +1030 Subject: No subject Message-ID: hmmmmm - I spose I could make a wobble board fairly easily yyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeee NO Mb Im coming as Elric Of Melnibone hehe ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:00 AM > Michael Blackman writes: > > > Regarding the fancy dress to get into the party party > > > > How will that affect overseas passport holders? > > > > I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage? > > Only if you come as Rolf Harris. > > FoFP > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 19:16:42 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:46:42 +1030 Subject: HW: 1970's footage Message-ID: ditto ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Litchfield To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: HW: 1970's footage > It still amazes me that there's almost nothing of Hawkwind playing on > film/video from the 1970s.... I've recently watched film from IOW 1970 and > Woodstock 1969(?) and other bands from the same era - all fairly good > quality film and audio and in full colour. > > And yet, despite *many hundreds* of gigs and despite millions of fans and > despite HW being the most visual group out, not a single home movie or > film or video was ever made of them in this decade. Amazing. > > I keep hoping that someone will pipe up one day and say 'Oh, why didn't > you say, I've got 2 hours of them at xxxxx hall from 1975' or > something.... > > Let's hope! > > Steve Litchfield > http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind > From slindsey at IDIRECT.COM Thu Nov 30 22:43:39 2000 From: slindsey at IDIRECT.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:43:39 -0800 Subject: Which pub are we meeting In-Reply-To: <200011301000.FAA28434@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Right - got me ticket, got me plane ticket, I'm off to Blighty !! Now sorry for the repeat question but what pub are we meeting in this time, and if the pre-show is at 3pm what time are we going to meet at the pub ? Breakfast time ? Looking forward to seeing everybody again (oh I haven't seen any pictures from the pub last time - did anyone take any ?) Oh and a few points from the Hawkestra seeing as I never posted anything 1) Someone commented at one point that "It was almost religious" - I mean come on - what do you mean "almost" ? 2) to bear out this point, its funny but I have absolutely no recolleciton of them playing 'Shouldn't Do That', even though I remmeber every other song clearly (well sort of) I do remember standing thinking to myself "Lemmy ? Lemmy ?? Lemmy ! Lemmy !!..." for quite a while... I think that must have been when they played it... Cheers Steve Lindsey From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Nov 30 21:37:42 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:37:42 -0500 Subject: The ultimate collectors item?? Message-ID: Check this out? 1k??? Is it gold plated???? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=506835992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 21:42:08 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:12:08 +1030 Subject: Which pub are we meeting Message-ID: Check out the Electric Tepee - theres a few there! Mich at el B http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Michaels_Page.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Lindsey To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: Which pub are we meeting > Right - got me ticket, got me plane ticket, I'm off to Blighty !! > > Now sorry for the repeat question but what pub are we meeting in this time, > and if the pre-show is at 3pm what time are we going to meet at the pub ? > Breakfast time ? > > Looking forward to seeing everybody again (oh I haven't seen any pictures > from > the pub last time - did anyone take any ?) > > > Oh and a few points from the Hawkestra seeing as I never posted anything > > 1) Someone commented at one point that "It was almost religious" > - I mean come on - what do you mean "almost" ? > > 2) to bear out this point, its funny but I have absolutely no recolleciton > of them playing 'Shouldn't Do That', even though I remmeber every other song > clearly (well sort of) > I do remember standing thinking to myself "Lemmy ? Lemmy ?? Lemmy ! Lemmy > !!..." > for quite a while... I think that must have been when they played it... > > Cheers > Steve Lindsey > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Nov 30 21:44:31 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:14:31 +1030 Subject: Which pub are we meeting Message-ID: oops try this one! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Lindsey To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:13 PM Subject: Which pub are we meeting > Right - got me ticket, got me plane ticket, I'm off to Blighty !! > > Now sorry for the repeat question but what pub are we meeting in this time, > and if the pre-show is at 3pm what time are we going to meet at the pub ? > Breakfast time ? > > Looking forward to seeing everybody again (oh I haven't seen any pictures > from > the pub last time - did anyone take any ?) > > > Oh and a few points from the Hawkestra seeing as I never posted anything > > 1) Someone commented at one point that "It was almost religious" > - I mean come on - what do you mean "almost" ? > > 2) to bear out this point, its funny but I have absolutely no recolleciton > of them playing 'Shouldn't Do That', even though I remmeber every other song > clearly (well sort of) > I do remember standing thinking to myself "Lemmy ? Lemmy ?? Lemmy ! Lemmy > !!..." > for quite a while... I think that must have been when they played it... > > Cheers > Steve Lindsey > From bart at ENGAGE.NU Wed Nov 15 17:26:35 2000 From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:26:35 +0100 Subject: Real Audio to Wav ???? Message-ID: There used to be a program called something like ratowav. Right now it is called differently but just do a websearch for it and u will find it. --BArt --------------------------------------- From: bedroom trancer Subject: Real Audio to Wav ???? Date: 01-02-2001 21:33:38 --------------------------------------- Does anyone out there know any software that can convert real audio files to wav files??? thanks colm ,,`,,`,,`,,`,,`,, `,,` ICQ: 62753543 ,,`,,`,,`,,`,,`,, `,,` NP: ,,`,,`,,`,,`,,`,, `,,`