From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon May 1 02:59:30 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:59:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bizarre Music Video Message-ID: This struck me as bizarre . . . Coal Chamber with Ozzy Osbourne covering Peter Gabriel's "Shock the Monkey?" http://windowsmedia.msn.com/Music/videos.asp http://www.launch.com/musicvideos/view/not_start/1,,164551~1095,00.html?vo=wmcm&p=WMP&b=56 -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 1 04:05:29 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:05:29 +1000 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: Could someone explain to me whether there is a difference in tracklists between the two versions of 'The Business Trip' which an online store has advertised? One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the 'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no label details. While I'm at it, I visited a dealer's place recently, and he played me a few tracks from a HW CD whose name escapes me now, and I just wondered if anyone could jog my memory. It was the Brock/Davey/Chadwick trio recording under a different name. Black and silver digipack case; trance/electronic sounding, with vocal samples tossed in. Something like 'white noise'? Gah - it't gone out of my head. From memory it was on the Emergency Broadcast label. Is this one still available? Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 1 05:20:03 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:20:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Mon, 1 May 2000 18:05:29 +1000 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > Could someone explain to me whether there is a difference in tracklists > between the two versions of 'The Business Trip' which an online store has > advertised? > > One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the > 'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no label > details. Not sure about this. I wasn't aware of any releases with different tracks. > While I'm at it, I visited a dealer's place recently, and he played me > a few tracks from a HW CD whose name escapes me now, and I just > wondered if anyone could jog my memory. It was the > Brock/Davey/Chadwick trio recording under a different name. Black and > silver digipack case; trance/electronic sounding, with vocal samples > tossed in. Something like 'white noise'? Gah - it't gone out of my > head. From memory it was on the Emergency Broadcast label. Is this > one still available? The White Zone by The Psychedelic Warriors > Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania FoFP From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon May 1 05:41:22 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:41:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Biggest sellers of 2000 (so far) Message-ID: Just finished going over the first 4 months sales reports at the Hawkwind Shop and thought you might like to know the biggest sellers of the year so far; 1) The Illustrated Collectors Guide to Hawkwind (by a mile) 2) Choose Your Masques 3) Dave Brock - Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams Apart from HW, the other biggies have been Faust CDs and Gong videos. Stuart NP: Allman Brothers Band - Unplugged 92 Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" The Hawkwind Shop is at http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk For all your HW and spacerock necessities From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 1 06:02:12 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:02:12 +1000 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: >> One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the >> 'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no label >> details. > >Not sure about this. I wasn't aware of any releases with different tracks. It's not impossible that the store has sourced the same item from more than one supplier, and provided different descriptions of it. i.e. the digipack may _be_ the limited edition, for all I know (this was true of Alien4, wasn't it?) >The White Zone by The Psychedelic Warriors Ta for that. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon May 1 06:44:32 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:44:32 +0200 Subject: HW:Lost Calvert song? Message-ID: Hi, Just bought a 10CD box with Silver Machine on it. It's called MEGA BEAT BOX Now the funny part,there's a song on it: Band:TYPICALLY TROPICAL Song:Barbados Composer:(Calvert/west) 1975 It's the same song where the Vengaboys or something like that have a huge hit with now. This really puzzels me,it's really a song Robert could have made just for fun, like Cricket Star. greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 1 06:50:58 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:50:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <20000501080528.JANH14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: There was an extra track on the LP of The Business Trip, but the CDs should be the same. The extra-curricular album is the Psychedelic Warriors' White Zone: www.hawkwind.com/w_zone.htm Not sure of its current availability, try mailing hawkdisc at aol.com. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 1 06:55:49 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:55:49 +0100 Subject: Lost Calvert song? In-Reply-To: <000a01bfb35a$58b2bac0$21a208d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: I think it's probably by Fred Calvert, (I think it's Fred, definitely someone else, anyway) who also wrote "I Lost My Heart to a Starship Trooper." The Vengaboys' version ("going to Ibiza") always sounds like "Oh! We're going to eat pizza!" -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Filip Vanhuyse Sent: 01 May 2000 11:45 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW:Lost Calvert song? Hi, Just bought a 10CD box with Silver Machine on it. It's called MEGA BEAT BOX Now the funny part,there's a song on it: Band:TYPICALLY TROPICAL Song:Barbados Composer:(Calvert/west) 1975 It's the same song where the Vengaboys or something like that have a huge hit with now. This really puzzels me,it's really a song Robert could have made just for fun, like Cricket Star. greetings filip hawknut From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 1 07:52:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:52:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Gas Giants (was upstate NY summer shows) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000428172507.009716e0@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 458 bytes Desc: not available URL: From micci at SCI.FI Mon May 1 08:26:01 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:26:01 +0300 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: >Could someone explain to me whether there is a difference in tracklists >between the two versions of 'The Business Trip' which an online store has >advertised? > >One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the >'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no label >details. There is four different case. Vinyls with either black or clear vinyl. CD?s with digi or normal. Vinyls got extra song. >While I'm at it, I visited a dealer's place recently, and he played me a few >tracks from a HW CD whose name escapes me now, and I just wondered if anyone >could jog my memory. It was the Brock/Davey/Chadwick trio recording under a >different name. Black and silver digipack case; trance/electronic sounding, >with vocal samples tossed in. Something like 'white noise'? Gah - it't gone >out of my head. From memory it was on the Emergency Broadcast label. Is this >one still available? Call Psychedelic Warriors- White Zone (ebsscd 113). >Tim >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 1 08:31:39 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:31:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Big Hair Tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Apr 00, at 13:50, Stuart Hamilton wrote: > > Hey, with all this mention of upstate NY shows, how come everyone is > >ignoring the MUST-SEE gig of the summer: > > Power to the People: Motley Crue, Poison, Slaughter, Anthrax et al! > > I swear I'm not kidding--ads on the Syr radio... > > theo > > And if you want the full tour dates check out the tours page at > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com 48 dates across America June through > August. Don't worry, I'll keep your visit a secret:-) > I'm having trouble locating this piece. Can you be more specific? > Stuart > NP Dickey Betts band - New York City '88 Whoa! What's this? Footwear? What's the lineup? theo > > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground > > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon May 1 09:48:12 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:48:12 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost Message-ID: > Interview With Brain Surgeons' Deborah Frost from music street > journal. I need to get this linked up to my tBS website... I hope Albert will have a chance to elaborate a bit more on parts of the interview here. > Some good news and bad news alike innit, but such is life. Yeah - bummer to hear that it seems Pete and Billy may not be playing with them in the future. 2 great talents. I haven't heard too much lately about Billy's health. I'm sure if the news was 100% good we would have heard more, and that it may not be easy for those who really know them to discuss his health. I continue to hope and pray for the best. > In fact, both > Pete and Billy were around only sporadically for "Piece of Work", so I > just had to do it. Live, I am the guitar player now. It's a challenge. How much did Deb play guitar on PoW? Electric? Acoustic? Any leads? > And I'm also playing bass on > some songs, which I never realized I would enjoy so much. Did Deb play bass on PoW, or is she just doing this live? > During the long lay-off, Pete > decided he was quitting music completely, sold all of his equipment, > without even telling us. He also got married and had a child-- which, I > suppose, in his mind, doesn't seem compatible with playing. It is > really a shame, because he's an incredible musician, but it's his life, Well, I can empathize with having to give up things when you get married and have kids - if you're a busy person before getting married and hope to be dedicated to your family, something's got to give. Still, I find it somewhat surprising to hear that Pete got rid of all his equipment. > Deborah Frost:If you are referring to songs that Albert wrote > earlier in his career, of course we play them. A better question > might be why the band that tours as BOC irregardless of who's > playing on any given night so heavily relies on the material and > contributions of someone who's been gone for almost 2 decades. LOL - Deb ain't mellowing with age, is she? ;-) Still, without meaning to be a BOC-apologist, I think the answer is fairly simple. While Albert may have been responsible for a lot of material that BOC continues to play, that material was made what it is by BOC "the band" in those days-gone-by via the band's albums and live shows. Black Sabbath didn't stop playing all the old songs when Ozzy left; Pink Floyd, despite not having Roger Waters in the band for years, recenlty released a live box set featuring music from "The Wall", which relied heavily on Waters' input; and if Paul, George, and Ringo ever did a "reunion tour", I'm sure that they would play numerous songs co-penned by the late John Lennon. One would still like to see BOC "mix it up" more, but they have always relied on a fairly limited sampling of their catalog to play live. Recently, their have been some hints as they added "Teen Archer" and "The Subhuman" to recent setlists - and then of course there was that period about 3 years ago when Eric's voice was problematic and Buck had to sing 90% of the setlist. Otherwise, however, there are few surprises. I think they should try and feature the newer material more, but I suppose they find that risky? Unfortunately, it's harder to win new fans with older material exclusively, rather than trying to branch out a bit and expand the fan base. The irony is that the demands for new material and setlist variety is coming from the "die-hard" fans... > In some cases, Albert feels that the > songs were never done justice on record-- which may be due to a poor > choice of producer or a rushed recording schedule or compromises that were > made to appease colleagues at the time. It's a chance to get it right now or > to re-interpret them. Does this mean we'll soon hear the definitive version of "You're Not the One I Was Looking For"? ;-) > And people just really love hearing Albert play and sing them. > And he does them better than ever. He's the rare rock musician who's > really increased his chops and expanded his vocabulary, Absolutely! > rather than so many > performers who rely on the oldies are essentially going through the > motions, and whose core audience has dwindled down to the faithful few > who are basically there out of some nostalgia for their youth rather than > to be challenged by anything new or demanding. Of course we all know to whom she is referring... ;-) > It takes a long time to digest. But > anyone of any intelligence and taste who listens to it agrees it is > great. Thanks for the compliment! :-) > > Deborah Frost:We are working on an album and a concert to honor the > memory and music of Helen Wheels, Any news on this project? While I'm excited about the prospect of this, obviously there are deep feelings about this amongst the participants. This project is surely a labor of love and meant to honor the passing of a dear friend. As such, we as fans really shouldn't put any demands on this product - of course, there is curiousity... > Music Street Journal:What was the last concert that you attended? > Deborah Frost:Blue Oyster Cult at the Bottom Line Kind of an ironic ending to the interview - after Deb has some strong words (as always) for "Albert's old band", it just happens to be the last band she saw live. Timing is everything, I guess... John From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon May 1 16:54:13 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:54:13 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind - White Zone and more Message-ID: On 1st may Andy Gilham wrote: The extra-curricular album is the Psychedelic Warriors' White Zone: www.hawkwind.com/w_zone.htm Not sure of its current availability, try mailing hawkdisc at aol.com. ------------------------------------------------- Hey - don't forget about me!!!!! At CD Services Mail Order (Agcdser at aol.com), we have both editions in stock now, notably the digi-pak and the jewel case versions, AND at a discount price for one of them, as well (can't remember which one - not in the office today). so anyone who wants them/it, e.mail me or call me at 01382-776595. Also got some more shields in, AND copies of the Mike Moorcock 'New Worlds Fair' Box Set at about ?6-8 off, the single CD at discount, and the final two copies of the Griffin 'Chronicle Of The Black Sword'CD (as you can see there's a catalogue due soon!!??!!) Shameless plug day, Andy Garibaldi. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 1 10:26:54 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:26:54 EDT Subject: Hawkwind - White Zone and more In-Reply-To: <390DEEF5.1464@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On 1 May 00, at 13:54, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > On 1st may Andy Gilham wrote: > The extra-curricular album is the Psychedelic Warriors' White Zone: > www.hawkwind.com/w_zone.htm > > Not sure of its current availability, try mailing hawkdisc at aol.com. > ------------------------------------------------- Hey - don't forget > about me!!!!! At CD Services Mail Order (Agcdser at aol.com), we have > both editions in stock now, notably the digi-pak and the jewel case > versions, AND at a discount price for one of them, as well (can't > remember which one - not in the office today). so anyone who wants > them/it, e.mail me or call me at 01382-776595. Also got some more > shields in, AND copies of the Mike Moorcock 'New Worlds Fair' Box Set > at about ?6-8 off, the single CD at discount, and the final two copies > of the Griffin 'Chronicle Of The Black Sword'CD (as you can see > there's a catalogue due soon!!??!!) Shameless plug day, Andy > Garibaldi. AG, What's your selection of bevis Frond stuff look like? I'd like to get the live one... theo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 1 10:55:15 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:55:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Save them from the scientists Message-ID: I seem to remember the lyrics to this Calvert song appearing on the Earth Ritual tour programme. Did HW ever record or perform this track? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 1 11:50:39 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:50:39 -0400 Subject: HW:Lost Calvert song? In-Reply-To: <000a01bfb35a$58b2bac0$21a208d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 May 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: => Band:TYPICALLY TROPICAL => Song:Barbados => Composer:(Calvert/west) 1975 Hey, I remember this being a huge hit in the UK when I was a lad. => It's the same song where the Vengaboys or something like that have => a huge hit with now. Plus ca change... I guess these songs are like comets; they come around every so many years and visit themselves upon a new generation. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 1 11:51:11 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:51:11 +1000 Subject: HW: PXR 5 CD (read first) Message-ID: At 03:51 PM 4/28/00 +0100, david hall wrote: >Eh...what PXR5 CD? It's on Virgin, released in 1989, I think, along with the Hawklords album. >Your right about the Weird stuff-excellent! Did they ever do a CD of Weird 104? Always loved that version of Urban Guerilla. Sounded uncannily like Radio Birdman's 'New Race'. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon May 1 12:08:05 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:08:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Save them from the scientists In-Reply-To: <20000501145514.KAQT14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: At 00:55 02.05.2000 +1000, you wrote: >I seem to remember the lyrics to this Calvert song appearing on the >Earth Ritual tour programme. Did HW ever record or perform this >track? No Bernhard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 1 13:55:55 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:55:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: ; from Andy.Gilham@BTINTERNET.COM on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:50:58AM +0100 Message-ID: On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:50:58AM +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > The extra-curricular album is the Psychedelic Warriors' White Zone: > www.hawkwind.com/w_zone.htm After years of getting confused between Psychedelic Warlords (the song) and Warriors (the band) ... I'm glad to see the web site's confused too :-) So, who are these (credited on White Zone): Lord Charles: Sampler and OSCI Lysergic Duke: EMS Synth -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Mon May 1 14:15:20 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (RAINER WANGLER) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:15:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Save them from the scientists Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > At 00:55 02.05.2000 +1000, you wrote: > >I seem to remember the lyrics to this Calvert song appearing on the >Earth > Ritual tour programme. Did HW ever record or perform this >track? > > No >but Bob played this song 1986 Manchester International . (very good) >Rainer From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 1 14:30:17 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:30:17 GMT Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost - the tBS name? Message-ID: In the interview, Deb said that the band's name came from Patti Smith's lyrics to "Baby ice dog". I think she says it was a joke, or something. Well, I don't get it!!! Someone please explain!!! I went through the lyrics 20 times today (thinking I mis-heard a line that explains it, it wouldn't be uncommon), and I just don't get it. There's no mention of anything near the keywords "brain" and "surgeon". -Johnny- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 1 15:03:27 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:03:27 EDT Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost - the tBS name? In-Reply-To: <20000501183017.31117.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 1 May 00, at 18:30, Johnny Firich wrote: > In the interview, Deb said that the band's name came from Patti > Smith's lyrics to "Baby ice dog". I think she says it was a joke, or > something. > > Well, I don't get it!!! > > Someone please explain!!! I went through the lyrics 20 times today > (thinking I mis-heard a line that explains it, it wouldn't be > uncommon), and I just don't get it. There's no mention of anything > near the keywords "brain" and "surgeon". > > I was thinking maybe Deb misspoke and meant to cite Career of Evil, which has lines like: Pay me to be your surgeon I'd like to pick your brain theo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon May 1 15:45:48 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:45:48 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost In-Reply-To: <390D8B13.FA0A446E@mitre.org> Message-ID: At 09:48 5.1.00 -0400, you wrote: >How much did Deb play guitar on PoW? Electric? Acoustic? Any leads? I think she did slide guitar work on some tracks. that much is all i know. > >> And I'm also playing bass on >> some songs, which I never realized I would enjoy so much. > >Did Deb play bass on PoW, or is she just doing this live? Well if she did bass live, then David would be doing guitar? I think it would probably have been just on PoW. > >One would still like to see BOC "mix it up" more, but they have always > >Does this mean we'll soon hear the definitive version of "You're Not the >One I Was Looking For"? ;-) Or Debbie Denise w/ a horn arrangement :) > >> Music Street Journal:What was the last concert that you attended? >> Deborah Frost:Blue Oyster Cult at the Bottom Line > >Kind of an ironic ending to the interview - after Deb has some strong >words (as always) for "Albert's old band", it just happens to be the >last band she saw live. Timing is everything, I guess... Maybe she went to heckle by shouting You need more 'stunning'lead guitar from Eric:) Otherwise, im happy to hear that Don R and Albert are still friendly w/ each other. Forchissakes, they've known each other since college! To my mind, the central sound dynamic revolved around them an' Lanier playing off each other. Think of how much it all just LOCKED together, the keybd./ guitar /drum lines on those first 10 LPs + the Stalk Forrest Group material; they were/is outtasight.. The Pink Roses, ROck and Roll is Dead and More Than Truth are a lot like that too though in the 1st one, its a good expansion of a Brainsurgeonish soundscaping.... also developed in Billy Song I think. The overall song construction on this album, mebbe due to production (and talent, too) seems to be more "environmental" giving the lyrics and solos, where appropriate room to slither/grow/resonate. PoW is definately the most busy CD(s) they've done so far. Also, Albert's drum solo is probably the best studio drum solo I've heard since BJ Wilson's in "Power Failure" yeah yeah yeah yeah. Pardon me as im frozen in my tracks by the completely unexpected soound of "Fly like an Eagle" coming out of the radio station coursing through my stereo-- If on'es thinking of radio ROCK and roll is dead. it isnt even Rock any more. it's the "and" of music... a placeholder. Jason "Ain't to Proud to Write Policy papers" Scruton NP: Rolling Stones - "I wanna be your man" From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon May 1 15:42:14 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:42:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <20000501135555.A19506@telepres.com> Message-ID: At 13:55 01.05.00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >So, who are these (credited on White Zone): > Lord Charles: Sampler and OSCI This could be Dave Charles. The last time he worked with the Hawks however was during the "Chronicles"-period, so I'm not sure it's really him. > Lysergic Duke: EMS Synth That's Alan Davey AFAIK. best regards D+R ObCD: Magma, "Live" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabha www.d-rider.de From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon May 1 17:18:52 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:18:52 -0400 Subject: HW: The Remix Project Message-ID: Could someone please tell me what The Remix Project is? I saw one of these and was nervous about buying it because I do not want techo remixes of HW songs. Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I would like to know before I buy them. Thanks, Chris From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon May 1 18:17:13 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:17:13 EDT Subject: HW: The Remix Project Message-ID: Chris, the remix Project is actually quite good. I have no clue who did what on it, but there appears to be mostly new material breathed into the old tracks. I'm not claiming that this cd will make your top 10 all time great HW list, but it's worth a try. I believe that the codename 2000 is a re-issue of In the Beginning & Space ritual 2. it says remastered. great packaging though. Bob In a message dated 5/1/00 2:20:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes: > Could someone please tell me what The Remix Project is? I saw one of > these and was nervous about buying it because I do not want techo > remixes of HW songs. > > Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to > CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I > would like to know before I buy them. > > Thanks, > > Chris Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From novadrive at HOME.COM Mon May 1 18:39:34 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:39:34 -0700 Subject: The Remix Project In-Reply-To: <390DF4BC.82B4049F@tiac.net> Message-ID: Yep, what Bob said. I wasn't overly thrilled with "The Ritual Of The Solstice," but I really like this one. My one pet peeve: whoever's voice (non-Hawk) is used for "Sonic Attack," they say "...bring both bodies to orgasm simultaneously" instead of "...all bodies..." Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Chris Raymond > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:19 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: The Remix Project > > > Could someone please tell me what The Remix Project is? I saw one of > these and was nervous about buying it because I do not want techo > remixes of HW songs. > > Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to > CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I > would like to know before I buy them. > > Thanks, > > Chris > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 1 18:23:12 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:23:12 +0100 Subject: Alan Davey - UFO theme Message-ID: As a long time admirer of the tv series... I have to ask is it any good? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 1 18:24:31 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:24:31 +0100 Subject: Reunion Message-ID: Things have gone a tad quiet here....are we talking about 2001 now? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon May 1 20:28:04 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:28:04 -0500 Subject: The Remix Project Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > Yep, what Bob said. I wasn't overly thrilled with "The Ritual Of The > Solstice," but I really like this one. My one pet peeve: whoever's voice > (non-Hawk) is used for "Sonic Attack," they say "...bring both bodies to > orgasm simultaneously" instead of "...all bodies..." > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > http://members.home.net/novadrive/ You mean they changed it to be less offensive? -- "When I look into your eyes I realize they're in a glass jar on the shelf." -ICU From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon May 1 19:30:18 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:30:18 EDT Subject: The Remix Project Message-ID: In a message dated 5/1/00 4:25:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: > Kevin Sommers wrote: > > > Yep, what Bob said. I wasn't overly thrilled with "The Ritual Of The > > Solstice," but I really like this one. My one pet peeve: whoever's voice > > (non-Hawk) is used for "Sonic Attack," they say "...bring both bodies to > > orgasm simultaneously" instead of "...all bodies..." > > > > Kevin Sommers > > > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > > > http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > > You mean they changed it to be less offensive? > Well, if you think that bringing only two bodies to orgasm, as opposed to the "all bodies" which could imply more than two. Less offensive possibly, maybe not as fun. bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 1 19:39:33 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: The Remix Project In-Reply-To: ; from Hawkwinder@AOL.COM on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 07:30:18PM -0400 Message-ID: > > > they say "...bring both bodies to orgasm simultaneously" > > > instead of "...all bodies..." > Less offensive possibly, maybe not as fun. It'd kinda stop being fun anyway once the sonic attack was launched, however many bodies were involved :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon May 1 19:45:43 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:45:43 EDT Subject: The Remix Project/simultaneous orgasm Message-ID: In a message dated 5/1/00 4:41:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > > > > they say "...bring both bodies to orgasm simultaneously" > > > > instead of "...all bodies..." > > Less offensive possibly, maybe not as fun. > > It'd kinda stop being fun anyway once the sonic attack was > launched, however many bodies were involved :-/ Oh, it's way too easy to underestimate the power of multi-body simultaneous orgasm. It could be great fun even during imminent sonic destruction. bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon May 1 20:23:36 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:23:36 +0100 Subject: Reunion In-Reply-To: <002901bfb3be$e8be3180$bd26883e@default> Message-ID: I had a conversation last October with someone 'in the know' at a Bedouin/Snorkwind gig (Alan Davey/Danny Thompson/Huw Lloyd Langton/Terry Ollis sharing the bill). I'd discussed a number of HW related subjects with this guy during the interval.On the subject of the reunion,which at that time was scheduled for Dec 99,he intimated a fair degree of doubt to myself about it ever actually happening. He seemed to imply that it wasnt so much a problem with members past & present wanting to do it,but Dave Brocks 'enthusiasm' (or lack of it) being the one obstacle to this event ever reaching fruition. He was trying to very diplomatic on this subject and thus seemed unwilling to enlighten me with the possible reasons. However.....after the HW Croydon gig in November 99 , I was really fortunate enough to bump into DB himself in the corridor.For about 5 mins or so it was just the two of us chatting. I did ask about the reunion and all he would say was that it was a real problem to get everyone together as well as provide living accomodation for a period ,in order that everyone could rehearse together for a time. ( a bit like getting all your old classmates together again.........a lot easier said than done!) All of this costs money too of course. One thing he clearly made a point of saying was that Lemmy "wanted a lot of money to do it". So I can only suppose that parity of payment for past & present members to do this reunion is a major dilemma when one prominent figure feels his worth is greater than the whole. Personally,I think......if the reunion gig/tour had happened during the release of the "Epoch Eclipse" albums last year, the PR value of the exercise would have yielded a lot for the band and fans alike. HW is now past that 30 year milestone,the brief surge of publicity has subsided and the whole idea has gone completely off the boil. I would not blame DB for thinking that the idea would probably cost more to do than it could actually make. regards mel From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon May 1 21:26:10 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:26:10 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost - the tBS name? Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > On 1 May 00, at 18:30, Johnny Firich wrote: > > > In the interview, Deb said that the band's name came from Patti > > Smith's lyrics to "Baby ice dog". I think she says it was a joke, or > > something. > > > > Well, I don't get it!!! > > > > Someone please explain!!! I went through the lyrics 20 times today > > (thinking I mis-heard a line that explains it, it wouldn't be > > uncommon), and I just don't get it. There's no mention of anything > > near the keywords "brain" and "surgeon". > > > > > I was thinking maybe Deb misspoke and meant to cite Career of Evil, > which has lines like: > > Pay me to be your surgeon > I'd like to pick your brain > Kudos to you Ted you've got it right. I just asked her and she quoted the lyrics you mention and then said, "Oh wait, that's Career of Evil!" Deb played rhythm guitar on14 of the 22 songs on POW. She also played the slide on all songs but Alpha & Omega which I played. Pete played all the leads except Simple Man, Competition and Lady of the Harbor, which Billy played. Deb plays bass only live. What we're doing now for the live show is more different than anything I've ever done. I'm playing drums, mandolin and harmonica, sometimes all at once. We're playing six songs from PoW and we've added some new BOC songs too. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 1 22:09:59 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:09:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000501213511.00a95ba0@post.strato.de>; from denis@D-RIDER.DE on Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:42:14PM +0200 Message-ID: On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:42:14PM +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > Lysergic Duke: EMS Synth > That's Alan Davey AFAIK. I didn't know he played keyboards. Then again, if it was a VCS1, being a keyboard player wouldn't be of much help... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Mon May 1 22:39:26 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 19:39:26 -0700 Subject: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? Message-ID: Well, Although late I will add my 2 cents worth. Back in 94 I found a source for Russian HW flexis, 8 or so tracks, each in 1-3 colors, for about $5.00 each. I continued to by them from my "contact" in Poland until I decided I was single-handedly keeping their flexi operation going. They are nice curiosities however and I'm glad I picked up a few (okay more than a few). He also sold me some Polish postcards with HW tracks, actual postcards of I assume famous Polish persons, plus some scenery. Totally different than the Polish postcards from the 70's, of which I have a couple. They are on hard yellow plastic, not really a postcard at all, just close in size. My opinion is that if you find someone selling them they will make as many as you can afford to buy, and $20 each is way way too much. If someone is really interested I could probably come up with the guys address, 5 years old of course. John From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Tue May 2 00:37:18 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:37:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? Message-ID: Hello John, Although I have a few of those flexis and postcards,wouldn't mind his adress though. I agree $20 is too much,a friend of me once paid ?25 for 1 polish postcard in London ! I have a German contact who askes about ?4 a piece for Polish postcards. He hasn't got the Russian flexis. greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN M GRAY To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:39 AM Subject: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? > Well, > > Although late I will add my 2 cents worth. Back in 94 I found a source for > Russian HW flexis, 8 or so tracks, each in 1-3 colors, for about $5.00 each. > I continued to by them from my "contact" in Poland until I decided I was > single-handedly keeping their flexi operation going. They are nice > curiosities however and I'm glad I picked up a few (okay more than a few). > He also sold me some Polish postcards with HW tracks, actual postcards of I > assume famous Polish persons, plus some scenery. Totally different than > the Polish postcards from the 70's, of which I have a couple. They are on > hard yellow plastic, not really a postcard at all, just close in size. > > My opinion is that if you find someone selling them they will make as many > as you can afford to buy, and $20 each is way way too much. If someone is > really interested I could probably come up with the guys address, 5 years > old of course. > > John From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue May 2 02:35:16 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:35:16 +1000 Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... Message-ID: "Two years ago our nova-drive failed, and we drifted in space... Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive" I've always thought this to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the sacking of Rudolph, Powell and Turner. Is that a popular interpretation, or am I out on a limb here? :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue May 2 02:51:55 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:21:55 +0930 Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... Message-ID: HI... I absolutly love that song,...love it ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... > "Two years ago our nova-drive failed, and we drifted in space... > Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive" > > I've always thought this to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the sacking of > Rudolph, Powell and Turner. Is that a popular interpretation, or am I out on > a limb here? :) > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue May 2 03:38:26 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:38:26 -0600 Subject: HW: The Remix Project Message-ID: The "Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind" is pretty good. I rather enjoy them!! You're right as to what they are- A friend of mine says that they're a bit mislabeled-but I now forget as to what was wrong there, could be the band line-up or some such:) Pam Bob Lennon wrote: > Chris, > the remix Project is actually quite good. > I have no clue who did what on it, but there appears to be mostly new > material breathed into the old tracks. I'm not claiming that this cd will > make your top 10 all time great HW list, but it's worth a try. > I believe that the codename 2000 is a re-issue of In the Beginning & Space > ritual 2. > it says remastered. > great packaging though. > Bob > > > > > Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to > > CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I > > would like to know before I buy them. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP and REAL-AUDIO 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. 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Reuben Resinbong) 3.Tea Party--Save Me (Summer Solis) 4.Loop Guru--Bangdad (Duniya) 5.Schnittstelle--Hallmarke 1 (Schnittstelle) 6.Mushroom--Kyle Loves a Funny Bunny (Alive and in Full Bloom) 7.Henry Cow--Teenbeat (Legend) 8.The Petals--Poisoned Air (Psychedelic Psauna comp) 9.Hawkwind--Brainstorm (Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures) 10.ST-37--Night Jetz (Space-age) 11.Chrome--3rd from the Sun (3rd from the Sun, Chrome Box) 12.Faust--Devoted Bone Dance (Space Box comp) 13.Vas Deferens Organization--Whirling Dervish (Sweat Your Cheeses...) 14.The Orb--Outlands (Live '93) 15.Zappa/Mothers--My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama (You Can't do that on Stage Anymore Vol. 5) 16.Zappa/Mothers--Sofa #2 (One Size Fits All) Thanks, Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 2 05:55:00 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:55:00 +0100 Subject: HW: The Remix Project In-Reply-To: Chris Raymond's message of Mon, 1 May 2000 17:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: Chris Raymond writes: > Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to > CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I > would like to know before I buy them. This is Yuri Gagarin/Space Ritual II stuff: Brainstorm L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 5 Hawkwind: The Masters L 5 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Electronic #1 L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II {Space} L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 1 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Hurry On Sundown L 2 In The Beginning {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Live 70-73 {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Welcome To The Future {Mausoleum LP] {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 The Text of Festival {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Early Daze {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD ?L 2 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 2 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 1 Live '70/'73 L 1 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Master Of The Universe L 6 Space Ritual Alive L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 6 a Early Daze ?L 6 a Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 6 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Orgone Accumulator L 2 Space Ritual II L 2 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 2 Hawkwind: The Masters L 2 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Paranoia L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 2 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Seeing It As You Really Are L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text of Festival L 2 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Seven by Seven L 4 Space Ritual II L 4 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 4 Hawkwind: The Masters L 4 Ridicule L 4 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 Epoch Eclipse: The Ultimate Best of L 1 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 1 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Ten Seconds Of Forever L 1 Ridicule L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 Space Ritual II L 1 Hawkwind: The Masters L 1 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Time We Left L 2 Space Ritual Alive {Time We Left This World Today} L 3 Space Ritual II L 3 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 Hawkwind: The Masters Upside Down L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 1 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 We Do It L 1 In The Beginning {I do It} L 1 The Text Of Festival {I do It} L 1 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 Welcome To The Future L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Space Ritual II L 3 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 a Hawkwind: The Masters You Know You're Only Dreaming L 3 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 {Dreaming} L 3 In The Beginning L 3 The Text Of Festival L 3 Early Daze L 3 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 3 Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 You Shouldn't Do That L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 2 a Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 2 05:55:33 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:55:33 +0100 Subject: Alan Davey - UFO theme In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Mon, 1 May 2000 23:23:12 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: > As a long time admirer of the tv series... Ditto. > I have to ask is it any good? Excellent. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 2 05:59:36 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:59:36 +0100 Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Tue, 2 May 2000 16:35:16 +1000 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > "Two years ago our nova-drive failed, and we drifted in space... > Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive" > I've always thought this to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the > sacking of Rudolph, Powell and Turner. Is that a popular > interpretation, or am I out on a limb here? :) No, it's the usual interpretation. Note also that in the Booklet that came with Turner's Xitintoday LP, a pem contained the line "Ejected from SS Hawkwind in deep space" FoFP From denis at D-RIDER.DE Tue May 2 06:32:45 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:32:45 +0200 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <20000501220959.A21033@telepres.com> Message-ID: At 22:09 01.05.00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:42:14PM +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > > > Lysergic Duke: EMS Synth > > That's Alan Davey AFAIK. > >I didn't know he played keyboards. At the beginning of the 90s Alan also started playing around with synths. Although his main synth was a Korg Wavestation, he also used some other gear such as a Roland Jupiter 6. Thus it's quite possible that he also used an VCS3 or AKS (or perhaps Dave Brock borrowed Alan his own one). >Then again, if it was a VCS1, being a keyboard player wouldn't be of much >help... Twiddling knobs is cooler anyway (and much more fun)... best regards D+R ObCD: Magma, "Live" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabha www.d-rider.de From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue May 2 06:48:22 2000 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:48:22 +0100 Subject: HW: The Remix Project Message-ID: Wow - this one passed me by. When did it come out? Can anyone suggest where I can get hold of a copy? Any help etc. much appreciated. Dave >Yep, what Bob said. I wasn't overly thrilled with "The Ritual Of The >Solstice," but I really like this one. My one pet peeve: whoever's voice >(non-Hawk) is used for "Sonic Attack," they say "...bring both bodies to >orgasm simultaneously" instead of "...all bodies..." > >Kevin Sommers > >primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > >http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Chris Raymond >> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:19 PM >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Subject: HW: The Remix Project >> >> >> Could someone please tell me what The Remix Project is? I saw one of >> these and was nervous about buying it because I do not want techo >> remixes of HW songs. >> >> Also on Year 2000 Codename Hawkwind - are these previously unreleased to >> CD gigs. I know some of this information has been covered before, but I >> would like to know before I buy them. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 2 09:02:12 2000 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:02:12 GMT Subject: HW: Save them from the scientists Message-ID: The song is on Calvert?s "Test Tube Conceived" album.A great album BTW. Juba >Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > > At 00:55 02.05.2000 +1000, you wrote: > > >I seem to remember the lyrics to this Calvert song appearing on the > >Earth > > Ritual tour programme. Did HW ever record or perform this >track? > > > > No > >but Bob played this song 1986 Manchester International . (very good) > >Rainer ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 2 09:56:23 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:56:23 +0100 Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... In-Reply-To: <20000502063515.NOEE14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: In message <20000502063515.NOEE14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au at Default> , Tim Gadd writes >"Two years ago our nova-drive failed, and we drifted in space... > Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive" > >I've always thought this to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the sacking of >Rudolph, Powell and Turner. Is that a popular interpretation, or am I out on >a limb here? :) hee hee! Not thought of that. good one. -- Jon From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue May 2 10:17:41 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:17:41 -0700 Subject: 3 of our crew... In-Reply-To: <20000502063515.NOEE14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: By Gum, I'd never thought of it that way, but it does make a lot of sense, and the rest of the lyrics take on a whole new light.... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tim Gadd > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:35 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: 3 of our crew... > > > "Two years ago our nova-drive failed, and we drifted in space... > Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive" > > I've always thought this to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the > sacking of > Rudolph, Powell and Turner. Is that a popular interpretation, or > am I out on > a limb here? :) > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From micci at SCI.FI Tue May 2 10:11:41 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:11:41 +0300 Subject: HW:Metal Shield Message-ID: Hello folks... I just receive this metal shield item (Thanks Andy) and it?s absolutely beautiful. Question is: My shield says limited to 500 and I remember that here was mention 300, what is the truth? (The truth is out there, I know, I know). Cheers, Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue May 2 10:24:15 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:24:15 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost Message-ID: We're in the process of putting together some dates now. We're planning to go to Seattle and maybe do some other West Coast dates in the fall. No! East Coast; EAST coast! New Haven, Boston, Hartofrd, Worcester, Nashua! Something East of the Apple! God I sound pathetic. > -----Original Message----- > From: John A. Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:48 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost > > > Interview With Brain Surgeons' Deborah Frost from music street > > journal. > > I need to get this linked up to my tBS website... I hope Albert will > have a chance to elaborate a bit more on parts of the interview here. > > > Some good news and bad news alike innit, but such is life. > > Yeah - bummer to hear that it seems Pete and Billy may not be playing > with them in the future. 2 great talents. I haven't heard too much > lately about Billy's health. I'm sure if the news was 100% good we > would have heard more, and that it may not be easy for those who really > know them to discuss his health. I continue to hope and pray for the > best. > > > In fact, both > > Pete and Billy were around only sporadically for "Piece of Work", so I > > just had to do it. Live, I am the guitar player now. It's a challenge. > > How much did Deb play guitar on PoW? Electric? Acoustic? Any leads? > > > And I'm also playing bass on > > some songs, which I never realized I would enjoy so much. > > Did Deb play bass on PoW, or is she just doing this live? > > > During the long lay-off, Pete > > decided he was quitting music completely, sold all of his equipment, > > without even telling us. He also got married and had a child-- which, I > > suppose, in his mind, doesn't seem compatible with playing. It is > > really a shame, because he's an incredible musician, but it's his life, > > Well, I can empathize with having to give up things when you get married > and have kids - if you're a busy person before getting married and hope to > be dedicated to your family, something's got to give. Still, I find it > somewhat > surprising to hear that Pete got rid of all his equipment. > > > Deborah Frost:If you are referring to songs that Albert wrote > > earlier in his career, of course we play them. A better question > > might be why the band that tours as BOC irregardless of who's > > playing on any given night so heavily relies on the material and > > contributions of someone who's been gone for almost 2 decades. > > LOL - Deb ain't mellowing with age, is she? ;-) > > Still, without meaning to be a BOC-apologist, I think the answer is > fairly simple. While Albert may have been responsible for a lot of > material that BOC continues to play, that material was made what it is > by BOC "the band" in those days-gone-by via the band's albums and live > shows. Black Sabbath didn't stop playing all the old songs when Ozzy > left; Pink Floyd, despite not having Roger Waters in the band for years, > recenlty released a live box set featuring music from "The Wall", which > relied heavily on Waters' input; and if Paul, George, and Ringo ever did > a "reunion tour", I'm sure that they would play numerous songs co-penned > by the late John Lennon. > > One would still like to see BOC "mix it up" more, but they have always > relied on a fairly limited sampling of their catalog to play live. > Recently, their have been some hints as they added "Teen Archer" and > "The Subhuman" to recent setlists - and then of course there was that > period about 3 years ago when Eric's voice was problematic and Buck had > to sing 90% of the setlist. Otherwise, however, there are few > surprises. I think they should try and feature the newer material more, > but I suppose they find that risky? Unfortunately, it's harder to win > new fans with older material exclusively, rather than trying to branch > out a bit and expand the fan base. The irony is that the demands for > new material and setlist variety is coming from the "die-hard" fans... > > > > In some cases, Albert feels that the > > songs were never done justice on record-- which may be due to a poor > > choice of producer or a rushed recording schedule or compromises that > were > > made to appease colleagues at the time. It's a chance to get it right > now or > > to re-interpret them. > > Does this mean we'll soon hear the definitive version of "You're Not the > One I Was Looking For"? ;-) > > > > And people just really love hearing Albert play and sing them. > > And he does them better than ever. He's the rare rock musician who's > > really increased his chops and expanded his vocabulary, > > Absolutely! > > > rather than so many > > performers who rely on the oldies are essentially going through the > > motions, and whose core audience has dwindled down to the faithful few > > who are basically there out of some nostalgia for their youth rather > than > > to be challenged by anything new or demanding. > > Of course we all know to whom she is referring... ;-) > > > It takes a long time to digest. But > > anyone of any intelligence and taste who listens to it agrees it is > > great. > > Thanks for the compliment! :-) > > > > > Deborah Frost:We are working on an album and a concert to honor the > > memory and music of Helen Wheels, > > Any news on this project? While I'm excited about the prospect of this, > obviously there are deep feelings about this amongst the participants. > This project is surely a labor of love and meant to honor the passing of > a dear friend. As such, we as fans really shouldn't put any demands on > this product - of course, there is curiousity... > > > Music Street Journal:What was the last concert that you attended? > > Deborah Frost:Blue Oyster Cult at the Bottom Line > > Kind of an ironic ending to the interview - after Deb has some strong > words (as always) for "Albert's old band", it just happens to be the > last band she saw live. Timing is everything, I guess... > > > John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue May 2 11:03:13 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:03:13 -0400 Subject: Favorite BOC Releases Message-ID: May 14th Baby at the Station (Warwick RI) Woo Hoo! As for Fav - Mine is still ETL seconded only by Imaginos. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at FLITE.NET] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:43 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: Favorite BOC Releases > > >They are coming to Orlando in a couple weeks and I will be making the > drive. > >I am sure it will be a really good show! > > Info, please.... I haven't caught them since House of Blue in Orlando > ayear or two ago (I think it was two), want to make this show... > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > =============== > Andrew Apold From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue May 2 11:30:06 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:30:06 +1000 Subject: HW: Save them from the scientists Message-ID: At 01:02 PM 5/2/00 GMT, Juba N wrote: >The song is on Calvert?s "Test Tube Conceived" album.A great album BTW. Yep, I know Calvert did it; just wondered if HW did. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Tue May 2 11:37:35 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:37:35 +1000 Subject: Reunion Message-ID: A reminder that Dave himself (in the Open Forum on the list in March) has said that the reunion is (hopefully) still on: -----Original Message----- From: XXX [mailto:boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2000 2:36 AM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Hi Bernhard, No plans for OZ/ NZ cd but there is the video from ABC The reunion is the next plan, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Australia again in January, Solo cd release Next line up will maybe include Tim Blake as he visited us recently and I saw Lemmy in LA. Martin Griffin also called around, so who knows! I would hope that we would be coming to Germany this year. DB > -----Original Message----- > From: Melvyn Vincent [mailto:mel at MVA.U-NET.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Reunion > > > I had a conversation last October with someone 'in the know' at a > Bedouin/Snorkwind gig (Alan Davey/Danny Thompson/Huw Lloyd Langton/Terry > Ollis sharing the bill). > I'd discussed a number of HW related subjects with this guy during the > interval.On the subject of the reunion,which at that time was > scheduled for > Dec 99,he intimated a fair degree of doubt to myself about it > ever actually From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue May 2 12:42:43 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:42:43 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: Collectors Guide Publishing have reissued Michael Butterworths book. Box 62034, Burlington, Ontarion, Canada L7R 4K2 ?9.95 ISBN 1-896522-05-X Stuart NP Alabama - Sweet Home Alabama Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 2 13:23:29 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:23:29 EDT Subject: Theo's fave band! Message-ID: Somebody on another list tries to preach to the choir: While not a drummer, I have played one on TV. Not really, but I think I'm like a lot of guys in that I would like to be a drummer, and I make a study of them when attending shows. Over the hundreds of concerts I've attended, many of the drummers have just faded from memory, but nobody ever forgets seeing Neil Peart live. The impression left is indelible. First, Rush needs the big halls and stadiums because Peart's drum kit alone consumes about a acre of space. And for those who might write that off as grandiose, I say, "Wait a minute. Have you seen him play?" 'Awe-freaking-inspiring' . While we all enjoy seeing people slack-jawed at OH's gig's, it's another thing entirely to see ten or fifteen thousand people not so much slack-jawed, but just caught up in the moment and obviously wondering if the guy is human and if what they are witnessing falls within known laws of physics. Geddy has his critics. Alex is definitely a great player. But Neil stands alone amongst the critics as well as his brethren. Having made these comments, if you are of the persuasion that feels a drummers place is to be heard and not seen, then don't go to see Rush. Don't get me wrong. Some of the best do well with a minimal kit, and if any of you have seen the Sub-Dudes you know that a simple tambourine, one drum stick and a denim clad thigh can sound like a twelve piece kit. From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Tue May 2 13:32:20 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:32:20 -0400 Subject: Reunion Message-ID: Anyone claiming to be 'in the know' about anything concerning HW and things yet to be, likely -isn't-. =) And calling doubt on any tour or appearance (especially in the US) is like betting that tomorrow, we will see -some kind of weather.- Not slamming anyone or anything. The past speaks for itself. Ya gotta hope for it, be thankful if it comes. If it doesn't, there is always next time (maybe.) =) RJ -----Original Message----- From: Tony Melius To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Reunion >A reminder that Dave himself (in the Open Forum on the list in March) has >said that the reunion is (hopefully) still on: > >-----Original Message----- >From: XXX [mailto:boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK] >Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2000 2:36 AM >Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > > >Hi Bernhard, > >No plans for OZ/ NZ cd but there is the video from ABC >The reunion is the next plan, >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Australia again in January, >Solo cd release >Next line up will maybe include Tim Blake as he visited us recently and I >saw Lemmy in LA. Martin Griffin also called around, so who knows! >I would hope that we would be coming to Germany this year. > >DB > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Melvyn Vincent [mailto:mel at MVA.U-NET.COM] >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2000 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: Reunion >> >> >> I had a conversation last October with someone 'in the know' at a >> Bedouin/Snorkwind gig (Alan Davey/Danny Thompson/Huw Lloyd Langton/Terry >> Ollis sharing the bill). >> I'd discussed a number of HW related subjects with this guy during the >> interval.On the subject of the reunion,which at that time was >> scheduled for >> Dec 99,he intimated a fair degree of doubt to myself about it >> ever actually From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue May 2 13:40:42 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:40:42 +0100 Subject: HW: guests, sessions, spin-offs etc. Message-ID: Just another little addition. As well as appearing at Hawkon in '85, didn't Mick Slattery also guest at Hammy Odeon some time in the eighties? Guy T. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue May 2 14:02:07 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:02:07 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <000001bfb455$705b1360$168c01d4@stuartha>; from stuarthamilton@CONNECTFREE.CO.UK on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:42:43PM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:42:43PM +0100, Zeitgeist wrote: > Collectors Guide Publishing have reissued Michael Butterworths book. Now if they'd only reissue "Hype" (the book I mean). I've been looking for that for ... well, ever since P&M found the record for me on a trip to England! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 2 15:06:46 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:06:46 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? Message-ID: I just passed by a Blake's 7 site and they referred to a novella (possibly fan) called "Hawkwind". It says it's set post Gauda Prime where Jenna Stannis and others are on a ship called "Hawkwind" going to Federation headquarters to rescue Roj Blake and Kerr Avon. I presume that Gauda Prime is where Avon/Tarrant/Vila et al crashed, went to meet Blake and were ambushed by Federation guards? Was there ever any reference to a ship called "Hawkwind" in the series or has some fan just picked that name for a story? FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue May 2 15:16:01 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:16:01 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? In-Reply-To: <200005021906.UAA07093@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? : :I just passed by a Blake's 7 site and they referred to a novella :(possibly fan) called "Hawkwind". It says it's set post Gauda Prime :where Jenna Stannis and others are on a ship called "Hawkwind" going to :Federation headquarters to rescue Roj Blake and Kerr Avon. : :I presume that Gauda Prime is where Avon/Tarrant/Vila et al crashed, :went to meet Blake and were ambushed by Federation guards? : :Was there ever any reference to a ship called "Hawkwind" in the series :or has some fan just picked that name for a story? Gauda Prime is the planet where the series ended (in "Blake"), where Blake died, and the rest were gunned down. There was no ship Hawkwind. Arin (fan of British sf tv, despite the effects :) ) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue May 2 15:20:28 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:20:28 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 02:02 PM 5/2/00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 05:42:43PM +0100, Zeitgeist wrote: >> Collectors Guide Publishing have reissued Michael Butterworths book. At 9.95 pounds (heh, every now and again I miss my old anglocentric typewriter with the 'pounds' key), is it a hardcover? (I remember it was originally a hardcover) >Now if they'd only reissue "Hype" (the book I mean). I've been >looking for that for ... well, ever since P&M found the record >for me on a trip to England! I've been looking for it ever since I stupidly lent my copy to that chick that was visiting my housemate back in 1986... (made a similar mistake with my Patti Smith bootlegs) Hype is quite a good book actually, though it didn't exactly set me alight or anything, but, thinking about it, I'm reminded of Mike Moorcock's comments that Calvert ought to have stuck to music, and given up his literary pretensions. Personally I think Bob's novel is at least as good as Mike's rock album, and at least Bob didn't tell him he ought to stick to books ;) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Tue May 2 15:35:59 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:35:59 GMT Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <20000502192026.PQFE14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 05:20:28 +1000, you sent through the ether: >Hype is quite a good book actually, though it didn't exactly set me alight >or anything, but, thinking about it, I'm reminded of Mike Moorcock's >comments that Calvert ought to have stuck to music, and given up his >literary pretensions. On the Calvert v Moorcock feud I`m definitely on Bobs side.. however, I was really surprised at how badly written Hype is.. unless Bob was trying for a Mills & Boon style sales explosion.. in which case it literary genius.. :) Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an author... Steve Pond. www.doremi.co.uk From Mariej at BIGWIG.NET Tue May 2 16:11:20 2000 From: Mariej at BIGWIG.NET (Marie Jenkinson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:11:20 +0100 Subject: Alan Davey - UFO theme Message-ID: The UFO theme is great - but Alan's version of The Pink Panther is excellent... Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Alan Davey - UFO theme As a long time admirer of the tv series... I have to ask is it any good? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue May 2 16:54:28 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:54:28 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <39102d84.3674827@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 May 2000, Steve P wrote: > On Wed, 3 May 2000 05:20:28 +1000, you sent through the ether: > > >Hype is quite a good book actually, though it didn't exactly set me alight > >or anything, but, thinking about it, I'm reminded of Mike Moorcock's > >comments that Calvert ought to have stuck to music, and given up his > >literary pretensions. > > On the Calvert v Moorcock feud I`m definitely on Bobs side.. however, I > was really surprised at how badly written Hype is.. unless Bob was > trying for a Mills & Boon style sales explosion.. in which case it > literary genius.. :) I think the line goes something like: "Anyone who knows my work will realise, that no matter how bad it seems, it's all intentional." I wasn't really convinced of this until I heard the _Hype_ album, and then I decided that anyone who could outperform the then chart artists at their own game in a throwaway project between a book and a play could probably do pretty much anything :-) > Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an > author... I've had the Moorcock argument with a few people and I think it comes down to this - you can't dispute the grandeur of his imagination or his prolific output. But it seems to me that it's only in the last fifteen years or so that his ability with words has really caught up with what he's imagining - the extra Elric that introduces the Rose (I forget its name) is maybe the best of the lot, and does a much better job of conveying Elric's internal torment than any of the `first round'. And then of course there's _Blood_ :-) I think it's brilliant but I understand very little of it, which is probably the point. I do think you'd have to be a genius to write it though. That's my pigeon put to roost anyhow, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue May 2 16:02:11 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:02:11 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? Message-ID: I don't think so: I've got the complete book (with all cross references etc) around somewhere so I'll check. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? > I just passed by a Blake's 7 site and they referred to a novella > (possibly fan) called "Hawkwind". It says it's set post Gauda Prime > where Jenna Stannis and others are on a ship called "Hawkwind" going to > Federation headquarters to rescue Roj Blake and Kerr Avon. > > I presume that Gauda Prime is where Avon/Tarrant/Vila et al crashed, > went to meet Blake and were ambushed by Federation guards? > > Was there ever any reference to a ship called "Hawkwind" in the series > or has some fan just picked that name for a story? > > FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 3 00:51:49 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:49 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield Message-ID: The story goes like this....................... the UK end had the idea to do the shield, originally meant for something other than 'Undisclosed Files', (some greatest hits job or similar) but the plan got shelved..........only no-one told the USA end who then went ahead and did it only to find that they couldn't sell it. Thus it became the most expensive set of table leg propper-uppers known to man, ie it just lay there doing nothing. Well, it must have done something because by the time we got there, only 300 remained (which is where the 300 comes in). If they did do 500, and that's arguable, no-one's saying. Anyway, since we've been at it, there is I think now less than 50 left, and then it really is gone forever, so anyone who has that sort of money for a really genuine collectors piece, shoould give us a shout on the usual phone/fax/e.mail bits. Andy Garibaldi (CD Services) BTW: Hawkwind remix project CD - it's a bootleg and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!! Promise!!! From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon May 1 20:47:23 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:47:23 -0400 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: Found online at: http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,1321,thisissummerof.html Broken Hip This is the summer of geezer rock concerts. Chris Nashawaty names the oldies bands that should cancel the stadium tours and start poppin' Geritol instead Look, I'm a sucker for classic rock as much as the next guy. In fact, a few weeks back I even wrote a column on why I thought VH1's ''Behind the Music'' was the best show on TV, specifically singling out the Lynyrd Skynyrd and Mamas and the Papas episodes. Still, that doesn't mean I want to see them outside of my living room. As this summer's concert-tour season kicks off, I'm beginning to get a little creeped out by all the grizzled dinosaur acts hitting the road. It's almost like an eerie sci-fi movie -- ''Encore of the Living Dead.'' Don't get me wrong. I'm all for employing the elderly and keeping them busy during their Geritol years. Heck, they earned it. And there actually are a few shows I wouldn't mind catching, like Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, and the Allman Brothers. But some of these guys just have no shame. And I won't even get into the sheer hypocrisy of rock stars who used to throw around slogans like ''Don't trust anyone over 30'' and ''Hope I die before I get old.'' Now they're more likely to tell their fans to get the hell off their lawns and leave the directional blinker on their tour buses as they cruise at a steady 35 MPH between gigs. I don't want to seem heartless. I understand that the reason most of these rockers are touring is because they probably weren't big rainy-day money savers in their heydays. But I'm just worried someone may break a hip at one of these shows. So in an effort to get these guys back at the Early Bird Specials where they belong, I've compiled a handy ''10 Least Wanted Tours Guide'' for this summer. And if you do decide to attend one of these shows, remember to really speak up when shouting out song requests. Styx: Just when you were finally beginning to think that not everything sucked in the '70s, here comes Styx futilely trying to prove that cheese never goes rotten. Eric Burdon and the New Animals: Just wondering, but did anyone notice when the 'Old Animals' left? Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted Nugent at this show with his bow and arrow? Jefferson Starship: Their last hit album may have been 1985's ''Knee Deep in the Hoopla,'' but they're still knee-deep in something. Jimmy Buffett: Beneath that Hawaiian shirt resides pure evil, plain and simple. ''Weird Al'' Yankovic: The only way you'll get me is if you get Gallagher to smash melons as your opening act. Night Ranger: The '80s Hair Band of ''Sister Christian'' fame is so profoundly lame it doesn't even qualify as 'kitsch.' Loverboy: Why don't they just team up with Night Ranger and cut the collective misery in half? Modern English: Um, 'Modern' compared to what exactly? The Village People: The madness must finally end... and remember, only YOU can stop it. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue May 2 21:16:35 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:16:35 -0400 Subject: BOC/OFF: eweekly: geezer rock concerts In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501204723.014eeb70@flite.net> Message-ID: >Bird Specials where they belong, I've compiled a handy ''10 Least Wanted >Tours Guide'' for this summer. And if you do decide to attend one of these >shows, remember to really speak up when shouting out song requests. > >Eric Burdon and the New Animals: Just wondering, but did anyone notice when >the 'Old Animals' left? So there's them and the Animals II in existence? how weird. the latter has the drummer Jon Steel and guitar guy Hilton Valentine. I miss the Yardbirds toruing they were ROCKIN'. with the original Drummer Jim McCarty and Chris (you can call me rhythm guitar!) Dreja. >Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted Nugent >at this show with his bow and arrow? WEll, maybe if they do the BIG 3 in their usualy big 3 delivery. ALTHOUGH, Ther is another NEW BOC song in the set\ according to the AOL board (when i stole access from mum and dad) another NEW BOC tune: < Eric-Buck-Danny, please post the title for us. >> "When The Old Gods Return" [Kinda funny considering the subject of the email eh?] >Loverboy: Why don't they just team up with Night Ranger and cut the >collective misery in half? Well, dont forget April Wine is still prowling the clubs :) >The Village People: The madness must finally end... and remember, only YOU >can stop it. last time they were in Syracuse (years ago) i read a "review" of their "show" and the attendances stats were, and im quoting directly here: "less than 500" at SUNY geneseo tey did a show with some other 70s disco mongrel and the following offer was made: buy 5 tickets get the 6th free! And now, puzzletime: "Rock and Roll is Dead" is better than "Rock and Roll is Dead." WHat am i talking about? :) (proper answer is not : "its not you talking, its the coffee!") Practice makes perfect, Jason From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue May 2 22:25:51 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:25:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: "Richard Melzter is Watching You:" BOC-ish things from the book Message-ID: FOr fun, profit, and procrastination, feat your optic orbs on this funtastic fun: Also if ill tick off copyright people with thus. a thousand apologies You can confiscate my copies of Spectres and Agents of Fortune or Pet Sounds as punishment. All (neat/hefty) ref's to BOC alums/ song lyrics that are interesting: p. 8 - so like fisrt night at Monterey Marty Balin says to me and Sandy Pearlman, Crawdaddy jerkoes who have ventured West solely for IT, that universe-manifesting festival 9Pop) which they fucked the film up of royally,he says "What guys, you have no place to crash? Well my all means cop your z's on the carpeted floor of J. Airplane's motor lodge suite... " p.12 [the meetin' of Pearlam an Meltzer!] I had this Modern Painting class with Allan Kaprow, the originator of the Environment and the Heppaning; Sandy Pearlman ... was also enrolled. ONe night me and Sandy were doing a paper on the reationship between Fauvism and Futurism..., and we;d already exhausted too many hours talking it out, yielding nothing wirth staying up and actually writing, when Sandy says, "I think the real bridge is surf music." Ha ha we get a few yucks out of that and head fr our respectuve cells to grind out some Nodoz assisted standard academci drivel on aspects of color and space in blah blah blah.. Not that we lacked the , uh, courage to haind in somethign laced with rock-roll refs, it just seems too silly. p.32 Once upon a time while [a Cream LP was playing] Memphis Sam donated the comment: "'Strange Brew' is nice." p.35 Just before the end [of "R. Meltzer Intverviewd by A.Warhol"], at the urging of my colleague Pearlman, there's a curical metnion of the band he managed, Soft White Underbelly, the v. first intstance of my being cajoled/suckered/drafgged into shamelessly hyping these bozos... no, in '68 they weren't bozos yet. p. 352 I'd met jackson [browne] through a buddy named John Weisenthal, who some years before, when they surfed together, taught him the rudiments of guitar. John was an early member of the first band Pearlman managed, {SWU}, as for one gig was I. In '68 the Underbelly backed Jacson at an East Coast show are two promoted or arranged by Pearlman, who wanted to manage him. ... [Jackson B.] was also there the night Underbelly drummer A;bert Bouchard dropped acid to try and devise a strategy for beating the draft at his physical in the morning (see Aesth. of Rock, p. 264). p. 355 [afer talking about Knickerbocker Dark beer and the fridge in a house in Smithtown NY belongong to SP], And it happened like this, Pearlman, a one-time best friend who currently owse me between 4 and 6 thousand dollars, was out at the [SUNY stnoy]' brook for a Leary lecture. ... Afterweards, the former student body prexy graciously offerend to drive the guy home. But first a thirst stop at the Pearlman manse and -- voila!-- 6 Kncker Darks. p.361 Another thing that estranged me from Pearlman was my championing (over BOC) a band I personally brought to his stable, but who never made him a dime, the Dictators. Both the Cult and the Dictators were arguable comedy bandsm but that latter were serious about their comedy (and funnier), grounded more in wrestling ... than "funny Nazi" arcana or mock-metal flummery. p. 11 1Time marches on, its 73bor 74, and we [Richard and Lou Reed!] aint spoke for a while when this interview appears in Zoo World, ... wherein Lou accuses me of (this is precious) PLAGIARISM. I've done some lyrics for [BOC], a couple of LP's were out by then, maybe 3 songs're mine, and it seems tohim I coudlnt've writ diddleyrot--- not a wonderful rock and ROLL lyric!!-- without having sat at his feet , basked in his omnipoetic brilliance. Dunno, I;'ve looked thru the Reed Omnibook (both then and now) and all I can imagine havine stole from this paranoid lunatic is the word "autograph" from the Velvet's "New Age"... In the Cult's "satirway to the Star's theres the line "you can have my autograph" -- so I guess I mustve also stole can and have. Shame on me! ...Lester Bangs... told me abotu this show where Lou tells him "Meltzer is number one, Lester you're number two, Perlman is number three-- I hate all your guts." p. 219 The catalog number on teh Stalk Forest single: Elektra EKM -45693 p.257 The great singer-comedian David Roter (who will someday get the recognition he sure ain't gettin conducting church rap sessions on contemporary dating etiqueette) was once walkin down Bleekcker St. reading the NY Post and paying no attention to where he was going when he walked right into a head-high protruding air conditioner, falling to the pavement in PAIN for his efforts. Across the street an Afroamerican window washer cracked up and pointed at poor david for all to see, promtping Davey to spontaneoulsy almost come back with "what are you laughing at> Your face is the color of shit!" He had the presence of mind to keep the line to himself (isnt it a great line tho, huh?) but in any event thats gotta be one of the very few applications of the word shit ... not brought into play vy Redd Foxx on his current "You Gotta Wash your Ass" live elpee... From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue May 2 22:26:13 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:56:13 +0930 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: smeghead ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Apold To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > Found online at: > > http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,1321,thisissummerof.html > > Broken Hip > This is the summer of geezer rock concerts. Chris Nashawaty names the > oldies bands that should cancel the stadium tours and start poppin' Geritol > instead > > Look, I'm a sucker for classic rock as much as the next guy. In fact, a few > weeks back I even wrote a column on why I thought VH1's ''Behind the > Music'' was the best show on TV, specifically singling out the Lynyrd > Skynyrd and Mamas and the Papas episodes. Still, that doesn't mean I want > to see them outside of my living room. As this summer's concert-tour season > kicks off, I'm beginning to get a little creeped out by all the grizzled > dinosaur acts hitting the road. It's almost like an eerie sci-fi movie -- > ''Encore of the Living Dead.'' > > Don't get me wrong. I'm all for employing the elderly and keeping them busy > during their Geritol years. Heck, they earned it. And there actually are a > few shows I wouldn't mind catching, like Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, and > the Allman Brothers. But some of these guys just have no shame. And I won't > even get into the sheer hypocrisy of rock stars who used to throw around > slogans like ''Don't trust anyone over 30'' and ''Hope I die before I get > old.'' Now they're more likely to tell their fans to get the hell off their > lawns and leave the directional blinker on their tour buses as they cruise > at a steady 35 MPH between gigs. > > I don't want to seem heartless. I understand that the reason most of these > rockers are touring is because they probably weren't big rainy-day money > savers in their heydays. But I'm just worried someone may break a hip at > one of these shows. So in an effort to get these guys back at the Early > Bird Specials where they belong, I've compiled a handy ''10 Least Wanted > Tours Guide'' for this summer. And if you do decide to attend one of these > shows, remember to really speak up when shouting out song requests. > > Styx: Just when you were finally beginning to think that not everything > sucked in the '70s, here comes Styx futilely trying to prove that cheese > never goes rotten. > > Eric Burdon and the New Animals: Just wondering, but did anyone notice when > the 'Old Animals' left? > > Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted Nugent > at this show with his bow and arrow? > > Jefferson Starship: Their last hit album may have been 1985's ''Knee Deep > in the Hoopla,'' but they're still knee-deep in something. > > Jimmy Buffett: Beneath that Hawaiian shirt resides pure evil, plain and > simple. > > ''Weird Al'' Yankovic: The only way you'll get me is if you get Gallagher > to smash melons as your opening act. > > Night Ranger: The '80s Hair Band of ''Sister Christian'' fame is so > profoundly lame it doesn't even qualify as 'kitsch.' > > Loverboy: Why don't they just team up with Night Ranger and cut the > collective misery in half? > > Modern English: Um, 'Modern' compared to what exactly? > > The Village People: The madness must finally end... and remember, only YOU > can stop it. > > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Wed May 3 01:31:00 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:31:00 -0500 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 2000, Steve P wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000 05:20:28 +1000, you sent through the ether: > > > > >Hype is quite a good book actually, though it didn't exactly set me alight > > >or anything, but, thinking about it, I'm reminded of Mike Moorcock's > > >comments that Calvert ought to have stuck to music, and given up his > > >literary pretensions. > > > > On the Calvert v Moorcock feud I`m definitely on Bobs side.. however, I > > was really surprised at how badly written Hype is.. unless Bob was > > trying for a Mills & Boon style sales explosion.. in which case it > > literary genius.. :) > > I think the line goes something like: "Anyone who knows my work > will realise, that no matter how bad it seems, it's all intentional." I > wasn't really convinced of this until I heard the _Hype_ album, and then > I decided that anyone who could outperform the then chart artists at their > own game in a throwaway project between a book and a play could probably > do pretty much anything :-) > > > Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an > > author... > > I've had the Moorcock argument with a few people and I think it > comes down to this - you can't dispute the grandeur of his imagination or > his prolific output. But it seems to me that it's only in the last > fifteen years or so that his ability with words has really caught up with > what he's imagining - the extra Elric that introduces the Rose (I forget > its name) is maybe the best of the lot, and does a much better job of > conveying Elric's internal torment than any of the `first round'. I must disagree! The Dancers at the End of Time trilogy (early 70s) is astonishingly well written. Same for the Cornelius novels, though they're hard to really judge I guess. His character development is extraordinarily good as well for most of his early material (Gloriana, Behold the Man, Jerry Cornelius)- I can't think of many authors who can match him in that field. > > > And then of course there's _Blood_ :-) I think it's brilliant but > I understand very little of it, which is probably the point. I do think > you'd have to be a genius to write it though. That's my pigeon put to > roost anyhow, yours, > Jon Haven't seen that yet. I recently finished The Brothel in Rosenstrasse and have started Byzantium Endures. Also just finished High Rise :) -wasn't that impressed with it > > > -- > | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | ======================================================================| > | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | > | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | -- "When I look into your eyes I realize they're in a glass jar on the shelf!" -ICU From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed May 3 00:25:20 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:25:20 +0200 Subject: Theo's fave band! Message-ID: Hello Ted, My favourite drummer is Christian Vander from the french band Magma I saw them once years ago in Paris and he had a roadie who put things right and back during the concert.Never seen a more manic drummer since then(1974-75 I think) and I've seen Neil Peart. greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: Theo's fave band! > Somebody on another list tries to preach to the choir: > > > > While not a drummer, I have played one on TV. Not really, but I think > I'm like a lot of guys in that I would like to be a drummer, and I > make a study of them when attending shows. Over the hundreds of > concerts I've attended, many of the drummers have just faded from > memory, but nobody ever forgets seeing Neil Peart live. > > The impression left is indelible. First, Rush needs the big halls and > stadiums because Peart's drum kit alone consumes about a acre of > space. And for those who might write that off as grandiose, I say, > "Wait a minute. Have you seen him play?" > > 'Awe-freaking-inspiring' . While we all enjoy seeing people > slack-jawed at OH's gig's, it's another thing entirely to see ten or > fifteen thousand people not so much slack-jawed, but just caught up in > the moment and obviously wondering if the guy is human and if what > they are witnessing falls within known laws of physics. > > Geddy has his critics. Alex is definitely a great player. But Neil > stands alone amongst the critics as well as his brethren. > > Having made these comments, if you are of the persuasion that feels > a > drummers place is to be heard and not seen, then don't go to see > Rush. > > > Don't get me wrong. Some of the best do well with a minimal kit, and > if any of you have seen the Sub-Dudes you know that a simple > tambourine, one drum stick and a denim clad thigh can sound like a > twelve piece kit. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed May 3 03:57:54 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:57:54 +0200 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer In-Reply-To: <000201bfb4c7$6a164840$d7a308d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: >My favourite drummer is Christian Vander from the french band Magma >I saw them once years ago in Paris and he had a roadie who put things >right and back during the concert.Never seen a more manic drummer >since then(1974-75 I think) and I've seen Neil Peart. > >greetings >filip hawknut i have seen magma many times and he IS a drummer which is so inventive. other great drummers are harold grosskopf who drums like a human rhythm machine (check out klaus schulze - X and ashra - sauce hollandaise for examples). it's incredible as you sometimes can't hear the difference between the rhythm box and his own rhythm. andre From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed May 3 04:44:32 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:44:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Surely some mistake Message-ID: I know that the tories are toiling to get 'the kids' interested but surely having hardcore band Stampin' Ground playing the following date is a bit mych; Fri 28.07.00 WATFORD Conservative Club (Ph 07880 532 465) Stuart NP: The Urban Hillbilly Quartet - Beautiful Lazy & full paid up member of the Scottish Socialist Party Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 07:27:54 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:27:54 EDT Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501204723.014eeb70@flite.net> Message-ID: On 1 May 00, at 20:47, Andrew Apold wrote: > > Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted > Nugent at this show with his bow and arrow? > Only if Teddy boy sticks one of those broadheads up his ass! And why isn't the author putting Nugent on his hit list? He's been around longer than any of the bands he cited exc. Burdon... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 07:29:34 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:29:34 EDT Subject: new BOC In-Reply-To: <00bd01bfb4a6$fc61c560$f3d26ccb@aspire> Message-ID: Jason mentioned a new BOC tune they're playing at concerts, something about the Old Gods. I haven't heard about this one yet, but they have been playing Pocket and Eye of the Hurricane at some shows recently... theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed May 3 07:31:11 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:31:11 -0400 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: Teddy opened for Kiss here in Boston (Or so it was billed). > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:28 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > > On 1 May 00, at 20:47, Andrew Apold wrote: > > > > > Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted > > Nugent at this show with his bow and arrow? > > > Only if Teddy boy sticks one of those broadheads up his ass! > And why isn't the author putting Nugent on his hit list? He's been > around longer than any of the bands he cited exc. Burdon... > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 07:48:03 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:48:03 EDT Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A2DB@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 7:31, Hall, Russell J wrote: > Teddy opened for Kiss here in Boston (Or so it was billed). > Gee what a treat! Hasn't Boston suffered enough after the Buckner error, the Tea Tax, forced busing etc? Nugent is opening in a lot of cities on the Kiss tour. What's up with that? Did Gene swallow some of his lighter fluid? theo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 3 08:55:18 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:55:18 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 07:35 PM 5/2/00 GMT, Steve P wrote: >On the Calvert v Moorcock feud I`m definitely on Bobs side.. however, I >was really surprised at how badly written Hype is.. unless Bob was >trying for a Mills & Boon style sales explosion.. in which case it >literary genius.. :) I don't remember 'Hype' being poorly written. I do remember that the style was very basic, with no frills, and nothing to particularly recommend it, but it's 15 years since I read it. On the subject of the 'Calvert v. Moorcock' feud - every hostile comment I can remember reading or hearing was from MM's side. I only had very peripheral contact with either of them, but in the tapes MM sent me, he had a couple of digs at Bob's 'foaming at the mouth' on various occaisions, and so on; I remember him ending another interview with the entirely out of context quip: "And sod Bob Calvert!", and on another occaision claiming that Calvert had 'stolen' The Black Corridor, which is rather silly, considering it's credited to Moorcock on the album. Having said that, if one of the things that he was pissed off about is what I seem to remember it was, I can imagine why he might have been poorly disposed towards RC. But the stuff, after his death, about how he ought to have stuck to music just seemed a bit grouchy to me. Plus I think Calvert's music was effective partly _because_ of its 'literary pretensions' - in the same sense that Moorcock's writing was often effective because of its pop cultural and rock inclinations. With a bit of hindsight, it's easy to see they were both actually working to break down the barriers between the two forms, and it seems rather ridiculous, from the perspective of 2000, to be griping at someone for crossing genre or media boundaries. Perhaps he just meant that Calvert might have been more successful if he'd had a narrower focus, but I dunno - he was doing what he wanted. Maybe it's a bit hard to hold up some tangible memento of 'The Kid from Silicon Gulch' noawadays, but that's just because we're used to the conventions of Rock, which involve some physical, mass-reproduced object. How many rock artists (or artists of any kind) have produced work in so many different media and forms? Rock music, music/poetry combinations, music/comedy sketch, social documentation, the novel, stand-up comedy, printed poetry, stage shows, and theatre. Am I forgetting something? >Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an >author... Well I think Moorcock's a very good writer indeed, but I suppose it depends on what your criteria are. For instance, I'm in awe of the sheer pace at which he writes - both in terms of the time it takes (or used to take) him to finish a book (I think some of those early Eternal Champion books were literally written in a couple of days), and by the _pace_ of the things. In this era of horribly flabby 1200-page part-threes of some trilogy or other, in which it's common to wade through 20 turgid pages of listening to someone's interior monologue about military strategies, or the rich tableau unfolding while someone has their horse shod, it's amazingly invigourating to go back and read a 120 page novel, which hurtles along like a Ramones song, and still manages to feel 'epic'. He had an economy of narrative style, which personally I'd like to see a lot more of in that genre. I disagree on the latter Elric books being better. If anything, I think a little of that fantasy flab was starting to creepinto them, and I didn't enjoy the mellower approach at all. 'Stormbringer' stomps the later books, AFAIC. But I mean, the guy turned the genre totally on its head with that book when he was about 22. What do you do for an encore? :/ I don't mean that 'Stormbringer' was outstanding because it was written in some rush of youthful enthusiasm: I think it's a sophisticated book, with a lot of thought behind it. In fact, I think Moorcock quite consciously set out to invert the whole Arthurian myth-cycle, and drew not only on the more well-known parts of the legend, but even on obscure medieval texts like the French 'La Chanson de Roland' (which is where he got The Horn of Fate from. It's even still called 'Oliphant'). I wrote an article on this once, which I'll put up on my website if anyone wants to read it, rather tha bore everyne with it here. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed May 3 09:07:01 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:07:01 -0400 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: Speaking of Buckner. Last time BOC was at the Middle East Club, Eric was heard saying EB "How 'bout those Yankees, huh?" CROWD EB "Well, I can't stand'em either! I'm a Mets fan . . . BUCKNER!" ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:48 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > > On 3 May 00, at 7:31, Hall, Russell J wrote: > > > Teddy opened for Kiss here in Boston (Or so it was billed). > > > Gee what a treat! Hasn't Boston suffered enough after the Buckner > error, the Tea Tax, forced busing etc? Nugent is opening in a lot of > cities on the Kiss tour. What's up with that? Did Gene swallow some > of his lighter fluid? > > theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed May 3 08:52:04 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:52:04 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: >Well I think Moorcock's a very good writer indeed I agree... >I disagree on the latter Elric books being better. If anything, I think a >little of that fantasy flab was starting to creepinto them, and I didn't >enjoy the mellower approach at all. 'Stormbringer' stomps the later books, >AFAIC. Most of MM's later works I had a sense that they were more refined, but I didn't flat out enjoy them as much. One notable exception was the work he did on "Michael Moocock's Multiverse" for DC, if you haven't checked out this 12-issue comic series it's a blast. It took this to really get me to appreciate his second ether books, I went back and tackled them anew after that. "Eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends" - Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 09:29:00 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:29:00 EDT Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A2DC@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 9:07, Hall, Russell J wrote: > Speaking of Buckner. > > Last time BOC was at the Middle East Club, Eric was heard saying > > EB "How 'bout those Yankees, huh?" > CROWD > EB "Well, I can't stand'em either! I'm a Mets fan . . . BUCKNER!" ... > Vintage Bloom! Glad to know he still delights in baiting the fans. That sure was a shame, though, Buckner's error. He was a great player, and that's what he'll be remembered for. He couldn't do anything right. I remember that a lot of commentators [and fans] shit on him because he crashed the wall trying to catch Hank Aaron's record homerun. As I see it, he was trying to help his team win a game... theo From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed May 3 09:37:29 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (clemens) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:37:29 -0600 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: since we're touching on Moorcock's writings, does anyone know why he would dedicate one of his stories (Revenge of the Rose) to Johnny and Edgar Winter? another Mark L From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed May 3 09:37:50 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:50 -0400 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: He almost got hit by a bus once - luckily it went between his legs. Sorry - couldn't resist > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:29 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > > On 3 May 00, at 9:07, Hall, Russell J wrote: > > > Speaking of Buckner. > > > > Last time BOC was at the Middle East Club, Eric was heard saying > > > > EB "How 'bout those Yankees, huh?" > > CROWD > > EB "Well, I can't stand'em either! I'm a Mets fan . . . BUCKNER!" ... > > > Vintage Bloom! Glad to know he still delights in baiting the fans. That > sure was a shame, though, Buckner's error. He was a great player, > and that's what he'll be remembered for. He couldn't do anything > right. I remember that a lot of commentators [and fans] shit on him > because he crashed the wall trying to catch Hank Aaron's record > homerun. As I see it, he was trying to help his team win a game... > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 09:42:21 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:42:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Buckner [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A2DD@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 9:37, Hall, Russell J wrote: > He almost got hit by a bus once - luckily it went between his legs. > > Sorry - couldn't resist > The actual joke, after the series, was: Buckner was so despondent after the error that he tried to commit suicide...he jumped in front of a bus, but it went between his legs! From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 3 09:49:57 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:49:57 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 07:37 AM 5/3/00 -0600, clemens wrote: >since we're touching on Moorcock's writings, does anyone know why he would >dedicate one of his stories (Revenge of the Rose) to Johnny and Edgar >Winter? Because they were (are?) albinos? And because Johnny Winter probably took even more drugs than Elric? :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 3 09:52:00 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:52:00 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <39102d84.3674827@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In message <39102d84.3674827 at mail.btinternet.com>, Steve P writes >Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an >author... You've not read Byzantium Endures then, eh, Steve? They are/were both consummate in their field. Mike's records are iffy, though! -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 3 09:26:07 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:26:07 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Metal Shield In-Reply-To: <390FB065.60B3@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <390FB065.60B3 at dial.pipex.com>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Anyway, since we've been at it, there >is I think now less than 50 left, and then it really is gone forever, so >anyone who has that sort of money for a really genuine collectors piece, Um, what sort of money? cheers -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 3 09:46:34 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:46:34 +0100 Subject: HW: guests, sessions, spin-offs etc. In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F01201EDF@lnnt47.london.entoil.com> Message-ID: In message <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F01201EDF at lnnt47.london.entoi l.com>, Thomas Guy writes >Just another little addition. > >As well as appearing at Hawkon in '85, didn't Mick Slattery also guest at >Hammy Odeon some time in the eighties? > >Guy T. Why do I always think "Assaultin' Slattery on the human anatomy?" ahem, I'll get me coat.... -- Jon From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed May 3 10:21:04 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:51:04 +0930 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts Message-ID: art thou a smeghead?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Michaelangelo Blackman To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > smeghead > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Apold > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:17 AM > Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts > > > > Found online at: > > > > http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,1321,thisissummerof.html > > > > Broken Hip > > This is the summer of geezer rock concerts. Chris Nashawaty names the > > oldies bands that should cancel the stadium tours and start poppin' > Geritol > > instead > > > > Look, I'm a sucker for classic rock as much as the next guy. In fact, a > few > > weeks back I even wrote a column on why I thought VH1's ''Behind the > > Music'' was the best show on TV, specifically singling out the Lynyrd > > Skynyrd and Mamas and the Papas episodes. Still, that doesn't mean I want > > to see them outside of my living room. As this summer's concert-tour > season > > kicks off, I'm beginning to get a little creeped out by all the grizzled > > dinosaur acts hitting the road. It's almost like an eerie sci-fi movie -- > > ''Encore of the Living Dead.'' > > > > Don't get me wrong. I'm all for employing the elderly and keeping them > busy > > during their Geritol years. Heck, they earned it. And there actually are a > > few shows I wouldn't mind catching, like Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, and > > the Allman Brothers. But some of these guys just have no shame. And I > won't > > even get into the sheer hypocrisy of rock stars who used to throw around > > slogans like ''Don't trust anyone over 30'' and ''Hope I die before I get > > old.'' Now they're more likely to tell their fans to get the hell off > their > > lawns and leave the directional blinker on their tour buses as they cruise > > at a steady 35 MPH between gigs. > > > > I don't want to seem heartless. I understand that the reason most of these > > rockers are touring is because they probably weren't big rainy-day money > > savers in their heydays. But I'm just worried someone may break a hip at > > one of these shows. So in an effort to get these guys back at the Early > > Bird Specials where they belong, I've compiled a handy ''10 Least Wanted > > Tours Guide'' for this summer. And if you do decide to attend one of these > > shows, remember to really speak up when shouting out song requests. > > > > Styx: Just when you were finally beginning to think that not everything > > sucked in the '70s, here comes Styx futilely trying to prove that cheese > > never goes rotten. > > > > Eric Burdon and the New Animals: Just wondering, but did anyone notice > when > > the 'Old Animals' left? > > > > Blue Oyster Cult: Am I the only one who'd love to see wild man Ted Nugent > > at this show with his bow and arrow? > > > > Jefferson Starship: Their last hit album may have been 1985's ''Knee Deep > > in the Hoopla,'' but they're still knee-deep in something. > > > > Jimmy Buffett: Beneath that Hawaiian shirt resides pure evil, plain and > > simple. > > > > ''Weird Al'' Yankovic: The only way you'll get me is if you get Gallagher > > to smash melons as your opening act. > > > > Night Ranger: The '80s Hair Band of ''Sister Christian'' fame is so > > profoundly lame it doesn't even qualify as 'kitsch.' > > > > Loverboy: Why don't they just team up with Night Ranger and cut the > > collective misery in half? > > > > Modern English: Um, 'Modern' compared to what exactly? > > > > The Village People: The madness must finally end... and remember, only YOU > > can stop it. > > > > ============================= > > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > > be subject to the works of those mighty > > among dreamers." > > > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > > > Andrew Apold > > > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 3 12:48:35 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:48:35 PDT Subject: Format Question and... Message-ID: Why are the posts that people origionally post, then posted over and over again in their entirety, at the end of someone's new post? Guess that was not short ") It seems appropriate for people commenting about a prior post to repost it w/ their comments interjected in between. That's' not what I am talking about. Or a snip of a post w/ comments. That's not what I am talking about either. If I have not communicated this well, an example would be..... someone sending a new post to the list w/ this post dangling at the bottom. Just curious.... Seems to take up alot of room, over and over again... The geezer thang was kinda funny, but there are some geezers that I still have "it"... Some people don't like Bob Dylan or at least his voice. Others only respect his song wring ability. Gotta tell you this old cat still rocks! His rendition of 'Watchtower' is rippin'! And for some reason he still gets the chicks too. Also, the Allman Brothers' motto is "The Road Goes On Forever". These guys still jam! I try to catch them at least once or twice a year. Derek Trucks is amazing! Last year I was treated to a version of 'One Way Out' w/ Jimmy Herring in addition to Derek and Dickey Betts. Let's get back to Hawkwind, BOC and Spacerock! Peace, Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 3 12:55:26 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:55:26 PDT Subject: What About Richard? Message-ID: Richard Chadwick is one of my favorite drummers! Check out his drumming on 'LSD' on Electric Tepee.... just to name one.... Richard has been a huge catalyst to Hawkwind, since he joined the band (IMHO). Keith Moon - Best all time drummer EVER! Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 13:13:21 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:13:21 EDT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <20000503165526.25299.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 9:55, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > Keith Moon - Best all time drummer EVER! > Hmm...aren't you forgetting someone? [and I wasn't thinking of Neil Pee-art] theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 3 13:48:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:48:41 -0400 Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts In-Reply-To: <00d301bfb50a$d232aca0$2ca66ccb@aspire> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000, Michaelangelo Blackman harangued: => art thou a smeghead?? => => ----- Original Message ----- => From: Michaelangelo Blackman => To: => Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:56 AM => Subject: Re: eweekly: geezer rock concerts => => => > smeghead => > ----- Original Message ----- => > From: Andrew Apold => > To: => > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:17 AM => > Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts => > => > => > > Found online at: => > > => > > http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,1321,thisissummerof.html [[etc...]] No, he isn't. Next question? Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Irving Plaza, 7th March 2000 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed May 3 13:15:50 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:15:50 -0400 Subject: What About Richard? Message-ID: >On 3 May 00, at 9:55, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > >> Keith Moon - Best all time drummer EVER! >> >Hmm...aren't you forgetting someone? >[and I wasn't thinking of Neil Pee-art] Surely not... Thompson.... Besides, it's been only what, 9 months since the last Baker debate? "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Wed May 3 14:01:28 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:01:28 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: TOTHL is not a Moorcock writing. But a guess: The albino connection? -----Original Message----- From: clemens To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: Re: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords >since we're touching on Moorcock's writings, does anyone know why he would >dedicate one of his stories (Revenge of the Rose) to Johnny and Edgar >Winter? > >another Mark L From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed May 3 14:54:32 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:54:32 GMT Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 14:52:00 +0100, you sent through the ether: >You've not read Byzantium Endures then, eh, Steve? Happy to report no.. :) My understanding is that the feud twixt Moorcock & Calvert was on a personal level rather than a creative one, they didn`t get on, & there was some girlfriend stealing.. (ooh!) I`ll say no more.. I've met them both, & obviously spent more time around Calvert, but I still hold onto my belief that Calvert is the only bone fide genius I`ve ever met, with Moorcock I always got the impression that if you didn`t know who he was he`d tell you.. Calvert would be too busy ranting about whatever had pissed him off in todays Telegraph for stuff like that Personal opinions. -S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 15:13:32 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:13:32 EDT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <200005031715.NAA21338@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 13:15, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >On 3 May 00, at 9:55, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > > > >> Keith Moon - Best all time drummer EVER! > >> > >Hmm...aren't you forgetting someone? > >[and I wasn't thinking of Neil Pee-art] > > Surely not... Thompson.... > > > Besides, it's been only what, 9 months since the > last Baker debate? > Uh, I was thinking of someone a bit closer to 'home...' theo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 3 15:34:42 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 05:34:42 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 06:54 PM 5/3/00 GMT, Steve P wrote: >I've met them both, & obviously spent more time around Calvert, but I >still hold onto my belief that Calvert is the only bone fide genius I`ve >ever met, with Moorcock I always got the impression that if you didn`t >know who he was he`d tell you.. Calvert would be too busy ranting about >whatever had pissed him off in todays Telegraph for stuff like that Y'know, I opened the paper today, and saw this article that said there was a link between bad tempers and heart attacks, along with depression and heart attacks, and high cholesterol and heart attacks - and I thought, great. I have high cholesterol (despite being vegetarian), get depressed (and like, being told depression causes heart disease isn't exactly going to cheer you up) and I have a rotten temper - it's bloody amazing I'm still alive. And oddly, this thought cheered me up. Anyway, I always thought it was kinda unfair that, unlike virtually everyone else in the band, Bob (according to him, anyway) 'wasn't particularly into swallowing large amounts of drugs'), and yet, off he goes at 43. It's particularly bad, considering that he was, IMHO anyway, the one most likely still to be producing good material, and it didn't seem impossible that his best work was still ahead of him. Ah, I'm gonna get all maudlin. Hell with it. Steve - Bigfoot still rules! -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed May 3 15:40:56 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:40:56 -0400 Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <200005031913.PAA08725@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 15:13 5.3.00 EDT, you wrote: >> >Uh, I was thinking of someone a bit closer to 'home...' > >theo A HA!!! you gotta mean Robert Calvert's drum machine from the QEH gig :) heheh Well, in the case of Albert B., he is possibly The only superfunkadelirocknrollinbluestasticjazzosity to ever hit things behind the drum kit. Definately one of the most swaggering skin pounders on the planet. His drumming sounds like who he is and who he has been. Besides, all that commotion behind the drumkit is probably what kept him warm all those cold Potsdam nights hehe. So he drums to live. visa versa too. amen brothers and sisters. Simon King is good for "imsubstitutingforacoffeedrivenmetronome" rock cuz hes steady and loud and fills darn quick. Stickin' straight Rock and roll hoohah, Ian Paice is good, when the engineers allow his drums to be heard these days. Michael Giles set the drum stool at totterin way back. But Albert, yeah, i guess he's pretty good. NP: Brain Surgeons 12/26 at the Haunt. a real jam kickin' muthaf*cka of a show. Jason "two beers if you knew what he was thinkin' " S. From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed May 3 15:07:21 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:07:21 -0400 Subject: What About Richard? Message-ID: >On 3 May 00, at 13:15, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >> >On 3 May 00, at 9:55, Darrin McKeehen wrote: >> > >> >> Keith Moon - Best all time drummer EVER! >> >> >> >Hmm...aren't you forgetting someone? >> >[and I wasn't thinking of Neil Pee-art] >> >> Surely not... Thompson.... >> >> >> Besides, it's been only what, 9 months since the >> last Baker debate? >> >Uh, I was thinking of someone a bit closer to 'home...' Well, of course all these discussions are on "Who is the best all time drummer besides Albert", That is just assumed, y'know... "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed May 3 15:45:44 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:45:44 GMT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000503154056.0068c404@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 15:40:56 -0400, you sent through the ether: >A HA!!! you gotta mean Robert Calvert's drum machine from the QEH gig :) >heheh That's *my* drum machine and he`s taken offence.. :) Heck, any drummer in the world could have put his hand up and said "I`ll do it!" and he`d have gotten the QEH gig.. but none of us knew a real live drummer who`d work for no pay like the rest of us.. and roland (for it is he) enabled cheapie at home rehersals.. -S. -Still wishing Mick Stupp had done it.. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed May 3 15:53:12 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:53:12 GMT Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <20000503193440.UXYY14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 05:34:42 +1000, you sent through the ether: >Bob (according to him, anyway) 'wasn't particularly into >swallowing large amounts of drugs'), and yet, off he goes at 43. He wasn`t into ingesting large amounts of healthy food either as far as we could see.. The "Fred & Steve, we're doctors you can trust us ..honest" diagnosis was that the long days in the shed writing with only his pipe and strong coffee to sustain him were his downfall. ..coupled to the angst, hyperactivity, stress, and paranoia obviously. Interestingly, at around the same time Bob died Fred was diagnosed with a very serious thyroid problem which caused symptoms similar to Bobs, he was put on (and is still on) strong drugs and a good diet, thankfully he`s still with us. >Steve - Bigfoot still rules! I still like that song, but I'm ashamed to admit that I played it to a friend a few weeks after the album came out and he said "You knicked that from: xxx" and you know what? he was right. unconscious theft. Guilty as charged m'lud. ..Thank god the wacky arrangement hides it`s roots! -S. -Plagiarist. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 16:03:15 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:03:15 EDT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <200005031907.PAA26080@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 15:07, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > Well, of course all these discussions are on > > "Who is the best all time drummer besides Albert", > > That is just assumed, y'know... > > You the man! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 16:06:24 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:06:24 EDT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000503154056.0068c404@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 15:40, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > At 15:13 5.3.00 EDT, you wrote: > >> > >Uh, I was thinking of someone a bit closer to 'home...' > > > >theo > > A HA!!! you gotta mean Robert Calvert's drum machine from the QEH gig > :) heheh > > Well, in the case of Albert B., he is possibly The only > superfunkadelirocknrollinbluestasticjazzosity to ever hit things > behind the drum kit. Definately one of the most swaggering skin > pounders on the planet. His drumming sounds like who he is and who he > has been. Besides, all that commotion behind the drumkit is probably > what kept him warm all those cold Potsdam nights hehe. So he drums to > live. visa versa too. amen brothers and sisters. > > And to think that nowadays he accomplishes it all with a pretty minimal kit, what a 5 or 6-piece? Actually, if memory serves [doubtful!] I think he had a relatively small kit back in the BOC days, maybe just 2 mounted and 2 floor toms and a single bass. Anyone recall? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 16:08:35 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:08:35 EDT Subject: What About Richard? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000503154056.0068c404@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 15:40, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: Michael Giles set the drum stool at totterin > way back. > Man, I'd forgotten him as a blast from the past, but he was a great player, for sure... > But Albert, yeah, i guess he's pretty good. > master of understatement! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 17:05:49 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:05:49 EDT Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost In-Reply-To: <390D8B13.FA0A446E@mitre.org> Message-ID: > > Deborah Frost:If you are referring to songs that Albert wrote > > earlier in his career, of course we play them. A better question > > might be why the band that tours as BOC irregardless of who's > > playing on any given night so heavily relies on the material and > > contributions of someone who's been gone for almost 2 decades. > Funny, 3OC's lineup has been pretty much static the last 3 years, whilst tBS's has just changed! And I guess Albert told Buck exactly how to play all those great solos, right? Hard to believe that a guy that elsewhere in the article Deb desribes as very talented and bemoans the lack of recognition thereof, now is accused of being an unoriginal carion bird! theo From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed May 3 17:10:23 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:10:23 -0700 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: > > >Then again, if it was a VCS1, being a keyboard player wouldn't be of much > >help... > > Twiddling knobs is cooler anyway (and much more fun)... > You *can* have both..... I've recently aquired a Roland JP-8000, and oh boy is it fun. Knobs galore for your twiddling enjoyment, all the VCO, VCF and VCA knobs and switches you remember fondly, plus added goodies like an ribbon controller, arpeggiator, and pattern record/playback. Makes it really easy to do "instant Tangerine Dream"..... scorch From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 3 18:18:15 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:18:15 EDT Subject: Musicstock mishap? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The local paper is saying that the Musicstock 2000 festival, featuring SLOTERDIJK is in jeaopardy. Apparently, local pols are concerned about the impact of all these raging hippies on the local ecology! There is a positive end to the story--promoters are at least engaging the politicians in dialog to make sure the gig still happens. I'll keep my ears open... theo From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 3 18:33:00 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:33:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? Message-ID: The 'official' story post-Gauda Prime is that Vila faked his death and escapes and Avon was only stunned. All the others there (including Blake) were killed; Jenna had returned to her pirating haunts and doesn't return. There's a long drawn out plot (that makes TotH look untacky) involving Avon being rescued by Vila, Avon's sister, an organic computer more powerful than Orac (which I seem to recall Avon ends up with) resulting in a 3-way stand-off between Avon, his sister and (I believe) Servalan/Sleer and the Federation (what's left of it by this time). I'm actually glad they didn't make another series. Which means (I think) that Hawkwind appears randomly. Which is a pity, because I've always thought of HW as more Blakes' 7 than Star Trek. Bet you asked now :-) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Hawkwind/ Blake's 7 link? > I just passed by a Blake's 7 site and they referred to a novella > (possibly fan) called "Hawkwind". It says it's set post Gauda Prime > where Jenna Stannis and others are on a ship called "Hawkwind" going to > Federation headquarters to rescue Roj Blake and Kerr Avon. > > I presume that Gauda Prime is where Avon/Tarrant/Vila et al crashed, > went to meet Blake and were ambushed by Federation guards? > > Was there ever any reference to a ship called "Hawkwind" in the series > or has some fan just picked that name for a story? > > FoFP From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed May 3 19:05:43 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:05:43 -0400 Subject: What About drummers? Message-ID: > > >> Thanks. > > This is a topic to lure me out of lurk mode. My favorites are mostly dead, > John Bonhan, Cozy Cole and Gene Krupa, or almost dead, Francis Clay (played > with Muddy Waters and BB King). . Joe Morrello was the greatest once. Now > it's probably Dennis Chambers. Too bad he doesn't do rock. Kenny Aaranoff is > still a bad ass drummer. As far as soloing goes Terry Bozio can play rings > around Pert and has more and bigger equipment!!! From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed May 3 19:09:26 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:09:26 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <390FB993.E17E00AA@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 06:31 03/05/00, you wrote: >Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > I've had the Moorcock argument with a few people and I think it > > comes down to this - you can't dispute the grandeur of his imagination or > > his prolific output. But it seems to me that it's only in the last > > fifteen years or so that his ability with words has really caught up with > > what he's imagining - the extra Elric that introduces the Rose (I forget > > its name) is maybe the best of the lot, and does a much better job of > > conveying Elric's internal torment than any of the `first round'. > >I must disagree! The Dancers at the End of Time trilogy (early 70s) is >astonishingly well written. Same for the Cornelius novels, though they're >hard to >really judge I guess. His character development is extraordinarily good as >well >for most of his early material (Gloriana, Behold the Man, Jerry Cornelius)- I >can't think of many authors who can match him in that field. I must admit I haven't re-read them since they came out, but I thought the "Dancers" were a little overdone, though I grant you they were more polished than the older stuff, they also lacked the visceral drive of the earlier stuff. Personally I find the Cornelius tetralogy(?) a fascinating view of the author maturing - from the self-pastiche of "The Final Programme" through to the multi-stranded wonder of "The Condition of Muzak" (it didn't win the Guardian fiction prize for nowt!). I don't really think that you can call "Gloriana" an "early" work though - I think it's more a flowering of the broad, mature writer that went on to produce "Mother London" & the Pyat sequence. > > And then of course there's _Blood_ :-) I think it's brilliant but > > I understand very little of it, which is probably the point. I do think > > you'd have to be a genius to write it though. I love it, and "Southern Harbours" - the man's imagination just keeps amazing me *g* My 2p worth... ChrisW NP:Radio 3 - Late junction From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed May 3 19:09:16 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:09:16 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <20000503134956.UEOR14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: At 14:49 03/05/00, you wrote: >At 07:37 AM 5/3/00 -0600, clemens wrote: > >since we're touching on Moorcock's writings, does anyone know why he would > >dedicate one of his stories (Revenge of the Rose) to Johnny and Edgar > >Winter? > >Because they were (are?) albinos? And because Johnny Winter probably took >even more drugs than Elric? :) >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania I could be wrong, but at one time, I think Johnny was slated to play Elric in a movie version, and since MM lives mostly in Texas, he's perhaps got acquainted with the brothers W on their home territory.... Plausibly yours(?) ChrisW ObCD - The Wire Tapper 5 From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed May 3 19:04:19 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:04:19 +0100 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000503095353.009728b0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: At 08:57 03/05/00, you wrote: >>My favourite drummer is Christian Vander from the french band Magma >>I saw them once years ago in Paris and he had a roadie who put things >>right and back during the concert.Never seen a more manic drummer >>since then(1974-75 I think) and I've seen Neil Peart. >> >>greetings >>filip hawknut > >i have seen magma many times and he IS a drummer which is so inventive. Never managed to see "Magma" (grrr...gnashing of teeth), but my ears agree... I think the most astonishing drummer I've ever seen is probably Ronald Shannon Jackson (Last Exit, Decoding Society, Prime Time) - his presence on anything is virtually a guarantee of quality, but for those who aren't into "jazz", try his "Red Warrior" album for some astonishing instrumental "intelligent" hard-rock! Less visual, but perhaps even more astonishing is Tony Oxley, but he's definitely in the avant-garde even though he was the Ronnie Sctt's house drummer - and he has omne of the weirdest kits you'll ever see, even when he's not using his home-brewed electronics! Percussively yours, ChrisW From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed May 3 19:33:02 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:33:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Musicstock Mishap? Message-ID: Theo wrote: >The local paper is saying that the Musicstock 2000 festival, featuring >SLOTERDIJK is in jeaopardy. Apparently, local pols are concerned about >the impact of all these raging hippies on the local ecology! There is a >positive end to the story--promoters are at least engaging the politicians in >dialog to make sure the gig still happens. I'll keep my ears open... Do you mean to say that Cayuga County, home of the Cayuga County Fairgrounds, which has hosted bands such as Metallica, Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc. is worried about the crowd that will come see hippie jam bands? This isn't Kid Rock at Woodstock '99.... And if they're worried about drugs, I bet what gets taken at Musicstock won't cause any riots except at the concession stand. ;-) Brian obHippieCD> "Lucky Bishops" Lucky Bishops ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 4 02:15:29 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:15:29 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind shield Message-ID: Um, what sort of money? cheers -- Jon -------------------------- ?47 incl postage (it's a heavy little sucker) inside UK and a bit more to the Euro mainland. USA people should be able to get it over there of course. Andy G'b (CD Services) From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed May 3 20:00:02 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:00:02 -0700 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer Message-ID: Ok, I'll chime in here... I've had the occasion to witness the whirlwind that is Carl Palmer from very close a couple of times (once it was all of about 6 feet), and that was pretty damn amazing. Truly one of the very few who can do an *interesting* drum solo. Another favorite I'm surprised I haven't seen mentioned is Bill Bruford, the man can play anything, in amy time signature. Other personal favs would be Ian Mosely (yah, Marillion went to shite after Fish left, but Ian is one hell of a drummer), Phil Collins (back before he opened his mouth), and Jerry Marotta (Peter Gabriel's original drummer). Alan White's not bad either. scorch From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed May 3 20:00:49 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:00:49 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: > Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an > author... Apologies for flaming danger here, but this is the most stupid statement I've heard (read?) for a long time. Personally I think bread is a better food then shampoo is a hair care product. Having said that, I've found some of the follow up posts very interesting & thought provoking. T From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed May 3 20:27:43 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:27:43 -0500 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: > > Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an > > author... > > Apologies for flaming danger here, but this is the most stupid statement > I've heard (read?) for a long time. Personally I think bread is a better > food then shampoo is a hair care product. > Ah, it aint that stupid to me, but I think Alice Cooper was a better performer than Bombo Rivera was a ball player. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 3 19:35:42 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:35:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Theo's fave band! / drummer Message-ID: John scorched... >Other personal favs would be Ian Mosely.... I don't know why, but I'm gonna tell you all my favourites. No particular order. John Bonham Simon Phillips Christian Vander (I luckily got to see him, and he is amazing!) Sami Kuoppamaki Cozy Powell Scott Rockenfield Chris Maitland Richard Chadwick (natcherly) Michael 'Little Ripple' Horrigan (from the Love Cowboys and Throneberry...local Cincinnati groups) Roger Taylor (but as a guitarist/songwriter instead) Adrian Belew (same thing) :) Al B (same thing) :) and John Rutsey! :) (Well, that *is* my favourite Rush album...they went downhill when Peart joined.) :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I saw Terry Bozzio with Jeff Beck once...he was amazing I admit! I almost always hate drum solos, but still he was memorable. I've never seen Rush actually, so I can't say about Peart. The guy certainly has a ton of talent, he's just never been one of my favorites. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 3 19:55:44 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: now OFF: Obscure baseball references Message-ID: Dan said... >Ah, it aint that stupid to me, but I think Alice Cooper was a better >performer than Bombo Rivera was a ball player. But Bombo wasn't even as good as Lyman Bostock or Danny Ford, at least until Bostock's wife/girlfriend decided to practice her aim. He did have one of the coolest names in all of baseball history, though. Almost as good as Zoilo Versalles, 'Zippy Zee.' WIN TWINS Grakkl (FAA), a lifelong Twins fan...who knows why? P.S. Chicken make lousy house pet. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed May 3 21:09:45 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:09:45 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <008f01bfb55d$9d92e8e0$104b883e@timsteph> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 01:00:49 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Apologies for flaming danger here, but this is the most stupid statement >I've heard (read?) for a long time. Thanks for sharing. The statement had it`s desired effect, it got people talking and as you point out started a pretty interesting thread.. I`ll explain the statement to you, mainly because I feel like being patronising, You see I'd give Calvert 9/10 as a song writer, I'd give Moorcock 4/10 as an author (Personal opinion, I don`t like Fantasy) therefore in my eyes Calvert is better at what he does than Moorcock is.. see? I expressed my personal opinion in a lighthearted manner followed by a so people knew my tongue was in my cheek.. some people that is... -S. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 3 21:07:59 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:07:59 -0700 Subject: now OFF: Obscure baseball references Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 19:55:44 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >P.S. Chicken make lousy house pet. But does Battery Hen make good spaceship pet on interstellar voyage in suspended animation while dreaming about underage girlfriend and dealing with malfunctioning android replica? Just checking, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 3 21:06:37 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:06:37 -0700 Subject: OFF: Theo's fave band! / drummer Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 15:40:56 -0400, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >Stickin' straight Rock and roll >hoohah, Ian Paice is good, when the engineers allow his drums to be heard >these days. I'm not so sure I'd call Ian Paice a "straight Rock and Roll" drummer. IMO he's one of those rock drummers like Mitch Mitchell (or Al!) who could really jazz things up. In much the same way that some of my favorite jazz drummers like the aforementioned Ronald Shannon Jackson or Elvin Jones could really rock out. And, dammit, most of my favorite drummers are people I've played with (the best way to experience a great drummer, at least for me), so I'll keep the list short and recommend checking out Chris Guttmacher's work on the first two Cul de Sac albums ('Ecim' and 'I Don't Want To Go To Bed' ... and speaking of Cul de Sac: ROUNDER RECORDS SUCKS! DIE BASTARDS!). -Doug (who hasn't ever really heard a drum solo he likes) ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 3 21:06:22 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:06:22 -0700 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 01:00:49 +0100, Tim Stephenson wrote: >> Now, I`d say Calvert was a better songwriter than Moorcock is an >> author... > >Apologies for flaming danger here, but this is the most stupid statement >I've heard (read?) for a long time. Personally I think bread is a better >food then shampoo is a hair care product. I'd agree that it's a bit of an audacious statement (but not surprising or out-of-line, especially when you consider its source - hi Steve!), but I'd hardly say "stupid". After all, both were/are authors AND songwriters (even if one was better known for one and the other better known for the other). >Having said that, I've found some of the follow up posts very interesting & >thought provoking. And, to me, that's what separates an "audacious" statement from a flame/troll/stupid/uncalled-for one. I guess that I prefer Bob's songs to Mike's books (even though I like both), but that's purely a matter of opinion ... then again, there are very very few things in the artistic (in the broadest sense) world that I like more than Bob's songs. And hey, in a couple hours, I might be playing "Psi Power" at band practice :^). Opinionatedly yrs, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 3 21:07:09 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:07:09 -0700 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: On Wed, 3 May 2000 14:10:23 -0700, "John H. McCartney" wrote: >> >Then again, if it was a VCS1, being a keyboard player wouldn't be of much >> >help... That would be VCS3, actually (Voltage-Controlled Synthesizer #3 - I believe that numbers one and two were a prototype and the EMS modular, but I could be wrong). There was a promo pic of the trio lineup from around the time of 'White Zone'/IitBotFtbD with Alan holding a microphone up to the VCS3's patch matrix (the part of it that looks like a game of 'Battleship' with all the pegs in holes). >> Twiddling knobs is cooler anyway (and much more fun)... Oooh YEAH! (and twiddling joysticks, as on the VCS3 and Grant Richter's [F/i] Wiard modular, is even MORE fun since you can, in effect, turn two knobs at once with one hand) >You *can* have both..... ... if you're willing to go the Virtual Analog (VA) route (which I'm not knocking - it's just not for an analog purist a$$h*le like me). >I've recently aquired a Roland JP-8000, and oh boy is it fun. Knobs >galore for your twiddling enjoyment, all the VCO, VCF and VCA knobs >and switches you remember fondly, plus added goodies like an ribbon >controller, arpeggiator, and pattern record/playback. Makes it really >easy to do "instant Tangerine Dream"..... Again, it's not something I have experience with, but those "in the know" tend to hold the VA's by European manufacturers (Clavia, and especially Waldorf) in higher regard than the Japanese "big three" (Roland/Yamaha/Korg). I'm not putting down the JP-8000 (I've heard real good stuff done on those and its' JP-8080 rackmount sibling) - just something to keep in mind if you happen to be shopping for a keyboard (or rackmount) VA synth these days ... try 'em all if you can! Either way, it's a damn healthy sign that synth makers are putting KNOBS (and switches and ribbon controllers) on their instruments once again (but the most interesting equipment is being made by the little guys like Wiard http://www.wiard.com). -Doug (sorry, I get *really* opinionated about this stuff) ceres at sirius.com From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Wed May 3 21:15:29 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:15:29 -0500 Subject: What About drummers? In-Reply-To: <3910B0C8.9518B379@mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 07:05 PM 05/03/2000 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks. >> >> This is a topic to lure me out of lurk mode. My favorites are mostly dead, >> John Bonhan, Cozy Cole and Gene Krupa, or almost dead, Francis Clay (played >> with Muddy Waters and BB King). . Joe Morrello was the greatest once. Now >> it's probably Dennis Chambers. Too bad he doesn't do rock. Kenny Aaranoff is >> still a bad ass drummer. As far as soloing goes Terry Bozio can play rings >> around Pert and has more and bigger equipment!!! > #### JOHN HENRY BONHAM ! ###### From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed May 3 21:46:21 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:46:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: New King Crimson Message-ID: Speaking of drummers.... Pat Mastelotto sounds great on the new record, "The ConstruKction of Light." You can hear the whole album online through a Web ring. Just go to http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/news/tcol.html I didn't think KC would sound as good without Bill Bruford, but I really enjoyed what I heard. Even with "slow modem" distortion. If you're in the US and don't want to wait until May 23 for the release here, I ordered my copy from http://www.cdplus.com out of Canada where the release date is the 9th. And if you're a glutton for eye strain, there's a detailed recording diary at http://www.treygunn.com/ http:-ed out for the night, Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed May 3 23:33:52 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:33:52 EDT Subject: new BOC Message-ID: The new tune is called The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return. I haven't heard it yet myself. But Eric sings it and its a Eric/Buck/Shirley deal. Those that have heard it say it is an Epic ,ie: Astronomy,LDOM etc. Music wise its being compared to Black Blade. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 4 00:34:11 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:34:11 PDT Subject: Geezer Drummers... Message-ID: ... Alive and kickin'! Ian Paice, Bill Bruford, Alan White, Carl Palmer, Neil Peart, Phil Collins, Mike Giles, Kenny Aaranoff, Terry Bozio, Simon Phillips, Michael Kelley, Gerry Conway, Joey Kramer, Levon Helm, Michael Shrieve, Jon Hiseman, Carmine Appice, Vinne Appice, Ed Cassidy, Martin Chambers, Steve Gadd, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzman, Andy Parker, Butch Trucks, Lenny White, Les Binks(?), Neal Smith, Bev Bevin, Nicko McBrain, Buddy Miles, Buffin, Phil Ehart, Jim Keltner, Philthy Phil Taylor, Bob Henrit, Dave Clark, John Steel, Barry Jenkins, Simon Kirke,Dino Danelli, Tommy Aldridge, Corcky Lang, Gilson Lavis, Nick Mason, Roger Taylor, Keef Hartley, Aynsly Dunbar, jerry Shirley Kenny Jones, Graem Edge, Mitch Mitchell, Bobby Elliot Barriemore Barlow, Nigel Olson, Mick Avery, Chris Slade, Michael Hugg, Mickey Dolenz, Gary Mallaber, Stewart Copeland (geezer?), Vivian Prince, Mick Fleetwood, Robert Wyatt, Micky Waller, Max Weinberg, Bill Ward, Jim Capaldi, Ian Wallace, Kevin Godley, Peter York, Billy Bremer, Roger Pope, John Densmore, Rob Townsend, Jerry Moratta, Dave Mattacks, Roger Earl, Ted McKenna, Cesar Zuiderwijk, Dennis Carmassi, Dave Holland, Ron Bushy, Joe Vitale, Allen Schwarzberg, Bobby Rondinelli, Albert Bouchard prerequistes: (1) geezer (2) still kickin' The drummer from Levitation: left off on purpose. Ringo & Charlie Watts: beyond geezer status, falling into meat & potato bookends. Just off the top of my head..... np: Hawkwind - May 19, 1992 D-Rider PS SIMON KING FOREVER! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 03:51:12 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:51:12 +0100 Subject: Geezer Drummers... Message-ID: Don Powell. Biggest geezer of 'em all... :-) Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Half Man Half Biscuit - "Trouble Over Bridgewater" ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:34 AM Subject: Geezer Drummers... > .... Alive and kickin'! > > Ian Paice, Bill Bruford, Alan White, Carl Palmer, Neil Peart, Phil Collins, > Mike Giles, Kenny Aaranoff, Terry Bozio, Simon Phillips, Michael Kelley, > Gerry Conway, Joey Kramer, Levon Helm, Michael Shrieve, Jon Hiseman, Carmine > Appice, Vinne Appice, Ed Cassidy, Martin Chambers, Steve Gadd, Mickey Hart, > Bill Kreutzman, Andy Parker, Butch Trucks, Lenny White, Les Binks(?), Neal > Smith, Bev Bevin, Nicko McBrain, Buddy Miles, Buffin, Phil Ehart, Jim > Keltner, Philthy Phil Taylor, Bob Henrit, Dave Clark, John Steel, Barry > Jenkins, Simon Kirke,Dino Danelli, Tommy Aldridge, Corcky Lang, Gilson > Lavis, Nick Mason, Roger Taylor, Keef Hartley, Aynsly Dunbar, jerry Shirley > Kenny Jones, Graem Edge, Mitch Mitchell, Bobby Elliot Barriemore Barlow, > Nigel Olson, Mick Avery, Chris Slade, Michael Hugg, Mickey Dolenz, Gary > Mallaber, Stewart Copeland (geezer?), Vivian Prince, Mick Fleetwood, Robert > Wyatt, Micky Waller, Max Weinberg, Bill Ward, Jim Capaldi, Ian Wallace, > Kevin Godley, Peter York, Billy Bremer, Roger Pope, John Densmore, Rob > Townsend, Jerry Moratta, Dave Mattacks, Roger Earl, Ted McKenna, Cesar > Zuiderwijk, Dennis Carmassi, Dave Holland, Ron Bushy, Joe Vitale, Allen > Schwarzberg, Bobby Rondinelli, Albert Bouchard > > prerequistes: (1) geezer (2) still kickin' > > The drummer from Levitation: left off on purpose. > > Ringo & Charlie Watts: beyond geezer status, falling into meat & potato > bookends. > > Just off the top of my head..... > > np: Hawkwind - May 19, 1992 > > D-Rider > > PS SIMON KING FOREVER! > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 03:41:31 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:41:31 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind shield In-Reply-To: <39111581.3B6B@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <39111581.3B6B at dial.pipex.com>, ANDREW GARIBALDI writes >Um, what sort of money? > >cheers >-- >Jon > >-------------------------- >?47 incl postage (it's a heavy little sucker) inside UK and a bit more >to the Euro mainland. USA people should be able to get it over there of >course. >Andy G'b (CD Services) oooh temptation.... Is there a pic anywhere? -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 03:39:25 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:39:25 +0100 Subject: Geezer Drummers... In-Reply-To: <20000504043412.94889.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <20000504043412.94889.qmail at hotmail.com>, Darrin McKeehen writes >Stewart Copeland (geezer?) if only for his Klark Kent / Don't Care single. -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 03:43:15 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:43:15 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <20000503193440.UXYY14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: In message <20000503193440.UXYY14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au at Default> , Tim Gadd writes >Steve - Bigfoot still rules! Hey Steve P, was that song about Big Steve then? -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu May 4 06:18:11 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:18:11 EDT Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts/OFF: Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/00 9:13:40 AM, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: << BUCKNER!" ... >> ======== okay fellas, = esp= usted, mr theo! 3 buckner references is quite enough. thank you "<>" saw it on the tv when it happened. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 4 06:22:53 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:22:53 +0100 Subject: Monsters of Rock Programme Message-ID: I have one of these which I accidentally got believing it to be the Hawkwind one (it isn't). I'm not sure of the year. It's possibly 1980 or 1981. It has Scorpions, Judas Priest, Saxon, Rainbow, and Cozy Powell. It's in fair condition. If anyone wants this then any reasonable offer (5 quid?) considered. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu May 4 06:27:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:27:55 EDT Subject: What About drummers? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/00 7:05:58 PM, ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << My favorites are mostly dead, > John Bonhan, Cozy Cole and Gene Krupa, or almost dead, Francis Clay (played > with Muddy Waters and BB King). . Joe Morrello was the greatest once. Now > it's probably Dennis Chambers. Too bad he doesn't do rock. Kenny Aaranoff is > still a bad ass drummer. As far as soloing goes Terry Bozzio can play rings > around Peart and has more and bigger equipment!!! >> ======== *bill bruford *hal blaine *the 2 primary '60s motown drummers to name 4.... krupa= wise choice moon= nuff (expletive) said never liked peart; drummers are _not_ supposed to get in the way of the songs themselves. and drum solos suck, anyway. may you not be haunted by endless live versions of "T.N.U.C."... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu May 4 06:31:42 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:31:42 EDT Subject: now OFF: Obscure baseball references Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/00 8:58:37 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << Lyman Bostock or Danny Ford, at least until Bostock's wife/girlfriend decided to practice her aim. >> ===== twasnt bostock's 'wife/girlfriend' what done him in.... twas someone else shooting _at_ the woman in question, whom bostock barely knew, if at all. "<>" From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 06:38:28 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:38:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: We've just been hit by a nasty script virus here. If you get an email with the subject "ILOVEYOU" - DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENT, even if it comes from someone you trust. It relies on Windows Script Host to run some VBScript which will rename files (over ALL your drives, local and remote), downloads a couple of files from the internet, overwrites some files, probably some other stuff too - we're still looking at it now here, but DON'T OPEN IT. It'll also send itself to everyone in your address book (we think). Obviously - you shouldn't open unexpected attachments anyway, but there's always someone! Cheers, Rich. == + == + Normal service is now resumed == + == + __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 4 07:34:54 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:34:54 EDT Subject: OFF: Musicstock Mishap? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000503192551.0091e2f0@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 00, at 19:33, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo wrote: > >The local paper is saying that the Musicstock 2000 festival, > >featuring SLOTERDIJK is in jeaopardy. Apparently, local pols are > >concerned about the impact of all these raging hippies on the local > >ecology! There is a positive end to the story--promoters are at > >least engaging the politicians in dialog to make sure the gig still > >happens. I'll keep my ears open... > > Do you mean to say that Cayuga County, home of the Cayuga County > Fairgrounds, which has hosted bands such as Metallica, Alice Cooper, > Motley Crue, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc. is worried about the crowd > that will come see hippie jam bands? This isn't Kid Rock at Woodstock > '99.... > Yeah, well, you get the idea! Actually, the beef had to do with securing the necessary permits. Cayuga county requires a permit for any event that will draw more than 1,000 people, and the folks putting on Musicstock didn't get the permit. But I think it will get sorted out. Musicstock is a charity fundraiser, with proceeds going to area food banks. So, I doubt too many pols want to be labled as the grinches who stole food from poor people, esp. in an election year! I suspect that this will turn out okay > And if they're worried about drugs, I bet what gets taken at > Musicstock won't cause any riots except at the concession stand. ;-) > ! theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu May 4 08:01:53 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:01:53 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: >I`ll explain the statement to you, mainly because I feel like being >patronising, You see I'd give Calvert 9/10 as a song writer, I'd give >Moorcock 4/10 as an author (Personal opinion, I don`t like Fantasy) >therefore in my eyes Calvert is better at what he does than Moorcock >is.. see? I expressed my personal opinion in a lighthearted manner >followed by a so people knew my tongue was in my >cheek.. some people that is... Ah. But you yourself stated you don't like fantasy. 1-10 is a scaled rating, but the world's greatest fantasy writer, whoever he may be, even at a 10, would probably rate below someone at a 7 or 8 on your songwriter scale. I mean, somewhere, out there, is the world's greatest tv soap writer, moorish dancer, or country line dancer. But though a 10 in their fields, I doubt most of us would have them hold a candle, say, to any of a number of the top drummers out there. ........ Besides, Moorcock's best work is SF, not Fantasy. (runs) "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu May 4 08:01:53 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:01:53 -0400 Subject: new BOC Message-ID: >The new tune is called The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return. I haven't heard >it yet myself. But Eric sings it and its a Eric/Buck/Shirley deal. >Those that have heard it say it is an Epic ,ie: Astronomy,LDOM etc. >Music wise its being compared to Black Blade. hopefully they will play it this weekend... "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu May 4 08:01:52 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:01:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Obscure baseball references Message-ID: > WIN >TWINS > >Grakkl (FAA), a lifelong Twins fan...who knows why? Well, that makes two of us. I hate the current state of MLB, but whatever. They can never take 1991 away from us... Arguably that was the last small market/budget team to win it all. The current era of haves and have nots can be set right after that world series. Probably the day Morris filed for free agency... "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Thu May 4 08:46:58 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:46:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <002201bfb5b4$e2cd4f70$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > We've just been hit by a nasty script virus here. If you get an email with > the subject "ILOVEYOU" - DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENT, even if it comes from > someone you trust. It relies on Windows Script Host to run some VBScript > which will rename files (over ALL your drives, local and remote), downloads > a couple of files from the internet, overwrites some files, probably some > other stuff too - we're still looking at it now here, but DON'T OPEN IT. > It'll also send itself to everyone in your address book (we think). Of course if you are not running something that runs VBScript, you are more or less safe. Like, say, Pine on Linux. Gatesware sucks. cd /c_drive/windows rm -rf "read microsoft, real fast" From clemens at TRAIL.COM Thu May 4 09:44:38 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:44:38 -0600 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: >I could be wrong, but at one time, I think Johnny was slated to play >Elric >in a movie version, and since MM lives mostly in Texas, he's >perhaps got >acquainted with the brothers W on their home territory.... >Plausibly yours(?) >ChrisW MM in Texas? I had read that he was in NY, but that could be old info. the other Mark L Santa Fe, NM From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu May 4 09:09:20 2000 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:09:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of "Thu, 4 May 2000 11:38:28 +0100" Message-ID: >>>>> "Rich" == Richard Lockwood writes: Rich> We've just been hit by a nasty script virus here. If you Spooky. I just received this virus via another mailing list and had sent a warning off to them and to the guy who (probably inadvertantly) sent it. BTW it's not listed with Symantec so their virus checkers probably won't pick it up. Rich> looking at it now here, but DON'T OPEN IT. It'll also send Rich> itself to everyone in your address book (we think). Yeah, it certainly runs some Outlook function or other. The moral here being use a proper email program and don't automate the handling of MIME types. Much the same information can be found at: http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/love.htm -- Chris Bates (c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk) School of Computing and Management Sciences - Sheffield Hallam University for HTML, DHTML, JavaScript, Perl, CGI Programming advice see: http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cms/teaching/crb/book/ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 11:16:10 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:16:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Smug b***ard... ;-) Cheers, Rich. > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Richard Lockwood wrote: > > > We've just been hit by a nasty script virus here. If you get an email with > > the subject "ILOVEYOU" - DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENT, even if it comes from > > someone you trust. It relies on Windows Script Host to run some VBScript > > which will rename files (over ALL your drives, local and remote), downloads > > a couple of files from the internet, overwrites some files, probably some > > other stuff too - we're still looking at it now here, but DON'T OPEN IT. > > It'll also send itself to everyone in your address book (we think). > > Of course if you are not running something that runs VBScript, you are > more or less safe. > > Like, say, Pine on Linux. > > Gatesware sucks. > > cd /c_drive/windows > rm -rf > > "read microsoft, real fast" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 11:44:25 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:44:25 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 07:44 AM 5/4/00 -0600, Clemens wrote: >MM in Texas? I had read that he was in NY, but that could be old info. He's been there for several years, at least on a part-time basis. I remember reading him musing over why he'd decided to live in a place from where he'd recieved the only death threats in his career. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 12:05:42 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:05:42 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <200005041201.IAA18632@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: In message <200005041201.IAA18632 at issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, Andrew A. Apold writes >Besides, Moorcock's best work is SF, not Fantasy. Is the Pyat stuff even SF? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 12:07:25 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:07:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Chris Bates writes >Spooky. I just received this virus via another mailing list and had >sent a warning off to them and to the guy who (probably inadvertantly) >sent it. BTW it's not listed with Symantec so their virus checkers >probably won't pick it up. me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 12:08:18 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:08:18 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <002d01bfb5ce$ea2be960$cb22a1d1@mark> Message-ID: In message <002d01bfb5ce$ea2be960$cb22a1d1 at mark>, Clemens writes >MM in Texas? Lost Pines to be exact, few years now. -- Jon From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Thu May 4 12:11:18 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:11:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... Any body want the source code? Of course if your not running Outlook your immune to it.... Some one tell me why Gatesware is secure again? From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu May 4 12:17:14 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P.) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:17:14 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 08:43:15 +0100, you sent through the ether: >>Steve - Bigfoot still rules! > >Hey Steve P, was that song about Big Steve then? Oh yes.. 100%. "Big Foot's amazing, the tentacle link, from his brain to his feet has gone on the blink.. " ;) -S. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 12:15:51 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:15:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Naaah. House of Commons pulled their servers when they heard about it. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > In message , Chris Bates > writes > >Spooky. I just received this virus via another mailing list and had > >sent a warning off to them and to the guy who (probably inadvertantly) > >sent it. BTW it's not listed with Symantec so their virus checkers > >probably won't pick it up. > > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > -- > Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 4 12:20:41 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:20:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: I got a 2.5 hour lunch out of it. I'mn half cut. :-) www.geocities.com/richard.lockwood/love.html should give a cure. (Did I mention this earlier?) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:07 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > In message , Chris Bates > writes > >Spooky. I just received this virus via another mailing list and had > >sent a warning off to them and to the guy who (probably inadvertantly) > >sent it. BTW it's not listed with Symantec so their virus checkers > >probably won't pick it up. > > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > -- > Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu May 4 13:12:54 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:12:54 -0500 Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: <20000503125514.UBGM14975.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list not like MM's writing? (...and why?) For my 2 cents, I am rather addicted to mm, with the cornelius and von bek (particularly tw&twp) sequences at the top of my list. I picked up my first hawkwind album (chronicles of the black sword) due to the connection, and since have become completely addicted :) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu May 4 13:28:40 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:28:40 +0100 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: HW: MM > Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list not like MM's writing? > (...and why?) Not mad about it personally, though I loved "Behold the Man". But respect is due for his work on the SF scene as editor, particularly with New Worlds in the 1960s, breaking down the barriers and all that. Ian From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu May 4 14:08:51 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:08:51 -0400 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer In-Reply-To: <200005040000.RAA10628@bob.te-cats.com >; from scorch@TE-CATS.COM on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:00:02PM -0700 Message-ID: On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:00:02PM -0700, John H. McCartney wrote: > [Carl Palmer] Truly one of the very few who can > do an *interesting* drum solo. > > Another favorite I'm surprised I haven't seen mentioned is Bill > Bruford, the man can play anything, in amy time signature. Someone once told me about a gig in the early 70s at which Bruford played an exquisite 20-minute solo -- on one cymbal. Wish I'd been there! There's also Walter Keiser, Andreas Vollenweider's long-time drummer. Vollenweider always surrounds himself with excellent musicians (as does Joe Jackson), many of them playing percussion of one form or another. The lineup's always changing (even more fluid than HW), so you never know quite what you're going to get at one of his shows -- but you know it'll be brilliant. Keiser's the only one who's stuck around for enough tours that I remember his name :-( Besides, he's usually the only one playing a traditional drum kit, if a bit untraditionally set up. I might be wrong, but I seem to recall at least one gig where he had a bass drum up where he could play it with sticks. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 13:09:44 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:09:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <00a101bfb5e4$04f7e8b0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <00a101bfb5e4$04f7e8b0$3d01a8c0 at tpd.co.uk>, Richard Lockwood writes >Naaah. House of Commons pulled their servers when they heard about it. "down" as in, "had to pull their servers." did I err? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 4 13:13:41 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:13:41 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Steve P. writes >On Thu, 4 May 2000 08:43:15 +0100, you sent through the ether: > >>>Steve - Bigfoot still rules! >> >>Hey Steve P, was that song about Big Steve then? > > >Oh yes.. 100%. "Big Foot's amazing, the tentacle link, from his brain >to his feet has gone on the blink.. " ;) > > >-S. hee hee! His plimsolls were the biggest I *ever* saw. Haven't seen him for years. Blimey, don't tempus fugit. -- Jon From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu May 4 14:37:55 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:37:55 -0700 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer Message-ID: > > On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:00:02PM -0700, John H. McCartney wrote: > > [Carl Palmer] Truly one of the very few who can > > do an *interesting* drum solo. > > > > Another favorite I'm surprised I haven't seen mentioned is Bill > > Bruford, the man can play anything, in amy time signature. > > Someone once told me about a gig in the early 70s at which > Bruford played an exquisite 20-minute solo -- on one cymbal. > Wish I'd been there! > The last time I saw Palmer (ELP Black Moon tour, about 6' away fom me), he did his usual drum solo (you know, where he ends by pumping the double bass drums widly while he strips off his shirt, and then starts working the gongs.) Then, after some heavy breathing and toweling off whilst the crowd went nuts, he started up again, but played only the rims of the drums and the edges of the cymbals. He went on like that for another 10 minutes or so, I'd never seen anything like it. Of course he then spoiled the magic by finishing up playing, of all things, a MIDI'ed *tambourine*. Technology run amok..... scorch From Mariej at BIGWIG.NET Thu May 4 14:39:22 2000 From: Mariej at BIGWIG.NET (Marie Jenkinson) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:39:22 +0100 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: Hi I'm particularly fond of MM's Eternal Champion stuff myself, although Earl Aubec was tedious at times. Has anyone read any of his 'fiction'? I've read plenty of reviews about his new novel 'King of the City' - apparently it's the most autobiographical of his works yet - should be interesting and wondered if anyone here had come across it yet. Cheers Marie P.S. I did flick through his new book - took all of nine pages for the first HW reference in the text. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arin Komins To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: HW: MM > Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list not like MM's writing? > (...and why?) > > For my 2 cents, I am rather addicted to mm, with the cornelius > and von bek (particularly tw&twp) sequences at the top of my list. > > I picked up my first hawkwind album (chronicles of the black sword) due > to the connection, and since have become completely addicted :) > > Arin > -- From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu May 4 13:49:51 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:49:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: >On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > >> me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, >> Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > >Any body want the source code? > >Of course if your not running Outlook your immune to it.... heheheheh. sometimes there are good reasons to not do it. I'm still running my old text-based Eudora, never really felt a need to switch, no matter how many html emails I get. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu May 4 14:52:49 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:52:49 EDT Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: I'm totally wild about MM's work. The only ones I didn't really care for were the first two in the Pyat series. At the time I was reading them, I was working second trick, and trying to read 40-odd page chapters at 1:00 AM was a bit hard. My fav MM books are the Elric series; the first MM I read. According to the Terminal Caf? site, there are three new Elric books being written: The Dreamthief's Daughter, The Sliverskin and Mournblade . They're going to start being published by late 2000 and early 2001. MM was the reason that I became interested in Hawkwind. Their first CD I got was 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' . Mr. M was the reason that I became a raving B?C fan, too. I was watching 'Heavy Metal' one night, and saw in the end titles that "Vetran of the Psychic Wars" was co-written by MM. I went out the next day to see what album that was on, and also discovered "Black Blade". I bought those two CDs, liked what I heard, then bought the rest of B?C's catalogue. Joe Loehr From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu May 4 15:02:29 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:02:29 -0500 Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: <002f01bfb5f8$310521c0$b29c01d4@neilward> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Marie Jenkinson wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: MM : :Hi : I'm particularly fond of MM's Eternal Champion stuff myself, although :Earl Aubec was tedious :at times. Has anyone read any of his 'fiction'? I've read plenty of :reviews about his new novel 'King of :the City' - apparently it's the most autobiographical of his works yet - :should be interesting and wondered if :anyone here had come across it yet. : :Cheers Marie : :P.S. I did flick through his new book - took all of nine pages for the :first HW reference :in the text. Where is _King of the City_ out anyway? amazon doesn't have it. Is it a uk only release right now? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Thu May 4 15:07:35 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:07:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <200005041749.NAA06402@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > > heheheheh. sometimes there are good reasons to not do it. > > > I'm still running my old text-based Eudora, never really felt a need > to switch, no matter how many html emails I get. > Of course, any thing that deletes MP3 and JPEG files has me a just a bit twited off. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu May 4 12:51:25 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:51:25 +0200 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Here in Belgium it went on national television What does it actually do? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lockwood To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > I got a 2.5 hour lunch out of it. I'mn half cut. :-) > > www.geocities.com/richard.lockwood/love.html should give a cure. > > (Did I mention this earlier?) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon Browne > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > > > > In message , Chris Bates > > writes > > >Spooky. I just received this virus via another mailing list and had > > >sent a warning off to them and to the guy who (probably inadvertantly) > > >sent it. BTW it's not listed with Symantec so their virus checkers > > >probably won't pick it up. > > > > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > > -- > > Jon > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Thu May 4 15:46:00 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:46:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <000201bfb5fd$fd29ed80$98a808d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Here in Belgium it went on national television > What does it actually do? > Does the standard Outlook address book re-mail trick like the Melissa virus last year, then deletes all MP3, JPEG and JavaSript (and releted) file from your system. Sets it's self up to re-run on reboot. Launches mIRC, if installed on systems and posts it self to any channels you happen to have set up. I don't do mIRC so I'm not real sure if it does this when you fire it up, or if it does it for you. Uploads your password files to a server in the far east. Nothing major, unless, like a friend of mine PHB, you loose a couple of gig of MP3 files. It's not real well written, from a progarmming point of view. Just a quick and dirty VBscript app. Want the source code? From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu May 4 16:26:30 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:26:30 +0100 Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:12 04/05/00 , Arin Komins wrote: >Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list not like MM's writing? >(...and why?) Well, I don't like most of MM's writing (or music). I used to like his Eternal Champion stuff, but these days (or at least, the last time I looked at it), I don't rate it at all. I don't like the Pyat books either; they read like someone trying to be a better writer than he actually is. (A bit like my computer programs ...) The Cornelius books though, are a different kettle of fish; I really enjoyed them, especially The Condition Of Muzak. Although I must admit it is several years since I last read them, so it's possibly that my taste has changed in the meantime. I also enjoyed the romps set in the alternate victorian world with airships and the like (are they called the Steel Tsar series?). They were fun, and not particularly overblown. The HW connection is relevant though. Warrior was probably the second HW album I heard, and at the time I was still enjoying the eternal champion books. Dave. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu May 4 18:07:09 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:07:09 EDT Subject: eweekly: geezer rock concerts/OFF: Message-ID: RE: BUCKNER a friend of mine threw a just-opened 16 oz. can of schlitz through another friend's tv screen as he realized what had just happened... game over bobm From denis at D-RIDER.DE Thu May 4 18:40:22 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:40:22 +0200 Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Arin Komins wrote: >Out of curiosity, does anyone on the list not like MM's writing? >(...and why?) I too love MM's books. The first thing I read by him was the Hawkmoon-series when I was 14 or 15. I got fascinated very quickly and soon bought everything I could find. It was a short bio about MM's career in the German "Corum"-omnibus volume that got me into Hawkwind. The part about HW was very short and at first I thought MM was HW's lead-singer!! I'm just rereading the Eternal Champion-series, thanks to the White Wolf-editions. cheers D+R From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu May 4 20:04:25 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P.) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:04:25 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000 18:13:41 +0100, you sent through the ether: >hee hee! > >His plimsolls were the biggest I *ever* saw. That's what the song is about.. when we were in Wales he took a bath, and his trainers were outside the room stinkin' up a storm.. naturally being a size 50 or something he found shoes hard to find & didn`t replace them too often, hence stinkeroo.. Fred & I took them out to the middle of a field, doused with petrol & incinerated them for the good of mankind. I made him a replacement pair out of cardboard & gaffer (duct) tape ..which he wore for weeks... -S. From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Thu May 4 20:26:44 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:26:44 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS products when something like this virus hits. The only reason people direct their viruses at MS is that it achieves maximum impact. If Linux or any other operating system were as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for them and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS was. Popularity breeds contempt and I see it on this list all the time about MS. Get real people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer industry. Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS software is overall pretty damn good. John ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Michael Looney To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > > > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > > Any body want the source code? > > Of course if your not running Outlook your immune to it.... > > Some one tell me why Gatesware is secure again? From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Thu May 4 23:06:27 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:06:27 -0500 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: "Steve P." wrote: > On Thu, 4 May 2000 18:13:41 +0100, you sent through the ether: > > >hee hee! > > > >His plimsolls were the biggest I *ever* saw. > > That's what the song is about.. when we were in Wales he took a bath, > and his trainers were outside the room stinkin' up a storm.. naturally > being a size 50 or something he found shoes hard to find & didn`t > replace them too often, hence stinkeroo.. Fred & I took them out to the > middle of a field, doused with petrol & incinerated them for the good of > mankind. I made him a replacement pair out of cardboard & gaffer (duct) > tape ..which he wore for weeks... > > -S. That's the funniest thing i've read in weeks. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Thu May 4 23:17:48 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:17:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: JOHN M GRAY wrote: > Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS products when > something like this virus hits. The only reason people direct their viruses > at MS is that it achieves maximum impact. If Linux or any other operating > system were as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for them > and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS was. Popularity > breeds contempt and I see it on this list all the time about MS. But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or less forces people to use its software. It is attacked because of its insecurity because the company claims that it is secure, when it's obviously not. This is sometimes even the reason why viruses are written in the first place. > Get real > people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer > industry. what the hell? Computers were actually cool before Windows. > Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS > software is overall pretty damn good. > John Perhaps, but only when it rips off that better software. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 4 22:20:49 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:20:49 PDT Subject: Hawkwind Mention Message-ID: Hey Now! A fellow posted a message on DAT-Heads asking a question about a CD-R that he recently received of ProjeKct 4 concert. I was unsure of what he wanted to know so I told him what I thought that he was looking for.... He sent me a reply today w/ some of the responses that he got. Some amusing stuff! I picked the 2 best ones (IMHO) and they follow. Hawkwind was surprisingly mentioned.... Time We Left Darrin np: Ratdog 3/24/00 DAT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hey there, Fripp was and is the guitarist for King Crimson (notice the Kc) and has been doing side projects with various combinations of the band, which officially has 6 members currently, I believe. He numbers the projects as they go. I saw ProjeKct Two a year ago. Great music. Fripp is a guitar genius. However, he is adamantly anti-recording and bootlegging, and takes the time whenever he can to talk or write about the rights of artists, and how they should own every note they ever play, and how the music industry is a bunch of vultures. He needs to take a chill pill, if you ask me. He would stop a concert and ask a taper to leave if he noticed one. I was at a show, taping, and he mentioned between numbers something about asking people not to record it, as it was "Stealing the music from the air". Whatever, Robert, just play the guitar.... :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As far as with your question, Robert Fripp in case you don't know, was the founder of the British progressive rock group King Crimson back in 1969. Fripp and KC are still around to this day, in fact he's the ONLY one to stay with them all 30+ years. Maaaaaan, if you have not yet been turned onto King Crimson, prepare yourself for a musically mind-expanding journey of the spheres!!!!!!!! ProjeKCt Four is one in a series of 4 band configurations that Fripp toured very briefly with (sort-of King Crimson side projects). Each version (ProjeKCts One, Two, Three, and Four) consisted of Fripp and a couple members of KC, mixing personnel each time around. I think Fripp did this line of "Projects" from early '97 late '98, touring very briefly for each band. But where can I start... it goes waaaaaaay beyond that! As far as I'm concerned, King Crimson from a rich, musically-aesthetic point of view, are one of my all-time favorite bands ever!!!! They were the frontiersmen of English progressive rock, along with Hawkwind, Emerson Lake and Palmer, and Yes. Still KC were never the commercial powerhouses that made ELP and Yes so famous. Like Hawkwind, it was more their live improvisation that made them cult heroes. All of them were definitely ahead of their time!!!! The history of King Crimson is very interesting to say the least. I am not aware of any biographies about KC, but you can read a lot about it in the Frame By Frame boxset booklet. The KC family roots spread far and wide, from Greg Lake of ELP, to Bill Bruford of Yes, Boz Burrell of Bad Company, John Wetton of UK and Asia, Adrian Belew formerly of Zappa and Talking Head's touring bands, etc. All of them are either former or current members. (And that's not even half of them). But through all of it, Robert Fripp was the only mainstay. You can pretty much gather that it was, and still is, HIS band. ;) Fripp also owns an independent record company too - Discipline Global Mobile. Check it out for any KC merchandise: www.disciplineglobalmobile.com Well, I know I gave you a mouthful about "the man named Robert Fripp" and more. But they are easily in my all-time Top 5 Bands list. With the exception of Yes, there has hardly been a progressive rock outfit that matches the musical creativity, virtuosity, and force such as with KC. Just take one listen to "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" and you'll hear what I mean! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check out www.elephant-talk.com for a dose of what this is all about ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu May 4 22:42:41 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:42:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: > But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or less > forces people to use its software. I know what you mean. When I tried to buy a PC with linux as the OS in February at the local CompUsa store I was taken into a back room and repeatedly clubbed like a seal by the MS nazis. After that I just bought a Windows machine and behaved. On another note, last night I went to see the Street Walkin Cheetahs, this guy in the audience with a British accent asks the bands for Silver Machine. This was kind of stunning, since none of the bands playing had anything to do with spacerock, weirder yet, one of the singers appeases him and breaks into a few bars of Silver Machine. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu May 4 23:31:47 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:31:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: I'd hate to start an "I hate Microsoft" thread, but I hate Microsoft! They have created an industry based on built in obsolescence, though their products are good, the idea that they know that, and attempt to stifle competition makes me want to gag. JOHN M GRAY wrote: > Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS products when > something like this virus hits. The only reason people direct their viruses > at MS is that it achieves maximum impact. If Linux or any other operating > system were as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for them > and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS was. Popularity > breeds contempt and I see it on this list all the time about MS. Get real > people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer > industry. Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS > software is overall pretty damn good. > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Michael Looney > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > > > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Jon Browne wrote: > > > > > me too, on the Priory-of-Sion list. Loads of places are down with it, > > > Argonaut, Virgin Lineone, House Of Commons, Ministry of Defence etc..... > > > > Any body want the source code? > > > > Of course if your not running Outlook your immune to it.... > > > > Some one tell me why Gatesware is secure again? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 4 23:32:58 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:32:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <00c901bfb628$d8912080$adfcfea9@09yrk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY complained: => Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS products when => something like this virus hits. The only reason people direct their viruses => at MS is that it achieves maximum impact. If Linux or any other operating => system were as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for them => and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS was. Popularity => breeds contempt and I see it on this list all the time about MS. Get real => people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer => industry. Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS => software is overall pretty damn good. Ha ha. I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long time. Hey, they don't call it M$-Winblows for nothing. If you're happy with a system that is as unreliable and expensive as M$-Windoze then, heck, more power to you. But don't try and kid people that M$ has "good products." They don't. They are wildly successful, but their technology blows big chunks. ("Get real!":) People target M$ because, yes, it achieves maximum impact, but also because it's so easy, it's like taking candy from a baby. It's not even a challenge. "Micro$oft security" and "Micro$oft reliability" are both oxymorons. You have to wonder about a product (Windoze) that spawned an entire industry devoted to selling third-party products ("CrashGuard," "Windoze First Aid," etc.) designed to make that product work semi-reliably (or, as it should in the first place). Fortunately for Micro$oft, they've managed to develop a business strategy in which they are able to sell bug fixes as "product upgrades." Pay us $99 and we'll fix all the shoddy stuff we sold you last time. Heheh. Nice work if you can get it, and proof that the old adage of "there's a sucker born every minute" still rings true. I'd say Micro$oft marketing, not their software, is "pretty damn good." Fortunately, I do not use M$ "products" on a regular basis. A friend that does is always cursing at her system, which usually crashes several times a day. On an unrelated note, the system I use on a daily basis (gromit) is about to pass the 140 days uptime mark (despite constant use as a FTP server when I'm not using it). The last time it went down was actually due to flaky power in our lab (power interruption during a bad storm). Similarly, a server for a project I'm involved with (and which also hosts several other projects) passed the 200 day uptime mark; the last time that machine went down was due to a hardware failure (hard disc + mainboard failure). Both are Unix systems. The M$-Windoze NT systems in our lab (ostensibly the more "reliable" M$ platform) rarely manage more than about 1 week of uptime between software-induced crashes. I know people from our lab who have gone to work for Micro$oft, and even they admit it blows, but, heck, it pays the rent... I have no objection to people using Micro$oft products, but, please, let's try and see it for what it is. (And "pretty good" it ain't...:) Cheers, Paul. PS: Word to the wise: "Linux" != "Unix" e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Thu May 4 23:46:30 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:46:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and forced me to use their products. Get real, they conduct business like most other companies, that's capitalism. John >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or less >forces people to use its software. It is attacked because of its insecurity >because the company claims that it is secure, when it's obviously not. This is >sometimes even the reason why viruses are written in the first place. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 5 00:48:11 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:48:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > > But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or less > > forces people to use its software. > > I know what you mean. When I tried to buy a PC with linux as the OS in > February at the local CompUsa store I was taken into a back room and > repeatedly clubbed like a seal by the MS nazis. After that I just > bought a Windows machine and behaved. I have never seen a computer with Linux offered by a dealer...though I can't claim to have looked very hard. But why not let us condescend and find a publicly available machine that runs Linux system? They exist, don't they? It would defy logic, since Linux is free after all. Once upon a time my school even had a Mac Lab...Then I suppose there's that tiny Unix room full of trollish weirdos. > On another note, last night I went to see the Street Walkin Cheetahs, > this guy in the audience with a British accent asks the bands for Silver > Machine. This was kind of stunning, since none of the bands playing had > anything to do with spacerock, weirder yet, one of the singers appeases > him and breaks into a few bars of Silver Machine. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu May 4 23:56:19 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <39123D5C.FDFD06F2@softhome.net> Message-ID: >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or less >forces people to use its software. It is attacked because of its insecurity >because the company claims that it is secure, when it's obviously not. This is >sometimes even the reason why viruses are written in the first place. I disagree. They got where they are by positioning themselves properly, identifying markets, and executing things competently for the most part. I'll be the first to tell you that windows NT isn't as mature a network platform as netware or even banyan... but its getting there. > >> Get real >> people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer >> industry. > >what the hell? Computers were actually cool before Windows. No, computer people were cooler before windows. :) They're allowing non-geeks into the mix. damn them. >> Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS >> software is overall pretty damn good. >> John > >Perhaps, but only when it rips off that better software. Not true. I must admit, Microsoft's internally developped Allegiance is one strikingly original (and cool) game, to this point game of the year. If you haven't looked at this, it deserves a look. And they did it in-house (not outside developed like Age of Empires and Asheron's Call were).... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 00:09:53 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:09:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Fortunately for Micro$oft, they've managed to develop a business >strategy in which they are able to sell bug fixes as "product >upgrades." Pay us $99 and we'll fix all the shoddy stuff we sold you >last time. Heheh. Nice work if you can get it, and proof that the old >adage of "there's a sucker born every minute" still rings true. I'd say >Micro$oft marketing, not their software, is "pretty damn good." Some things are self-fulfilling. Create something that all the "morons" can use, and guess what, the "morons" will mess it up. If you had a system that required some intelligence to operate, then those most likely to screw it up wouldn't be using them. Thus they are more reliable. Give in. I was an Amiga developer. The stuff mac users have been saying to themselves these last 4-5 years, we said them, too. It doesn't matter. Develop for the largest market. >Fortunately, I do not use M$ "products" on a regular basis. A friend >that does is always cursing at her system, which usually crashes several >times a day. On an unrelated note, the system I use on a daily basis >(gromit) is about to pass the 140 days uptime mark (despite constant use >as a FTP server when I'm not using it). The last time it went down was >actually due to flaky power in our lab (power interruption during a bad BTW, You'd be surprised to know how bad the power in some major metropolitan areas can actually be. If you have critical stuff, get a UPS and get clean power. It's probably not the spikes so much as the mild low semi-brownouts that hurt the most often. >storm). Similarly, a server for a project I'm involved with (and which >also hosts several other projects) passed the 200 day uptime mark; the >last time that machine went down was due to a hardware failure (hard >disc + mainboard failure). Both are Unix systems. The M$-Windoze NT >systems in our lab (ostensibly the more "reliable" M$ platform) rarely >manage more than about 1 week of uptime between software-induced >crashes. >I have no objection to people using Micro$oft products, but, please, >let's try and see it for what it is. (And "pretty good" it ain't...:) Really, it depends on what you're talking about. Their office apps are top-notch, they have no equal, period, now or ever. And if someone offers micro-emacs as a worthy alternative... sheez. Corel is retreating to Linux becasue they can't compete. Now, for every one of these, you have something like Microsoft Bob. However, one of the leaders of the Microsoft Bob project went on to found Valve and created half-life. (shrug). ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 5 01:21:53 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:21:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: JOHN M GRAY wrote: > That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and forced me > to use their products. Get real, they conduct business like most other > companies, that's capitalism. > John The US government usually acts in the interests of capitalism, doesn't it? From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Fri May 5 00:35:53 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:35:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: > The US government usually acts in the interests of capitalism, doesn't it? > I don't know where that came from. But, I wish the the U.S. government did actually operate in the interest of capitalism. Unfortunately we're headed down the tubes right now. With the government getting their little fingers in to everything we do, and regulating everything they can think of, stomping on people's rights and big company's too(microsoft). It's scary when the feds can announce that MS is too popular, we're going to chop you up, or they send you a census form and request to know how many toilets you have(of course that information would never be used to harm you etc). Nope, the US government is not interested in real capitalism right now. Sadly a lot of people don't want to be free anymore anyway, they'd rather have the goverment do everything for them. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 5 01:38:54 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:38:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more > or less > >forces people to use its software. It is attacked because of its insecurity > >because the company claims that it is secure, when it's obviously not. > This is > >sometimes even the reason why viruses are written in the first place. > > I disagree. They got where they are by positioning themselves properly, > identifying markets, and executing things competently for the most part. > > I'll be the first to tell you that windows NT isn't as mature a network > platform as netware or even banyan... but its getting there. > > > > >> Get real > >> people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer > >> industry. > > > >what the hell? Computers were actually cool before Windows. > > No, computer people were cooler before windows. :) > > They're allowing non-geeks into the mix. damn them. I am not as knowledgable about computers as most people involved in this discussion seem to be. I grew up using Macintosh, which was the idiot system before Windows. It doesn't have anything to do with geeks and superiority, it's the combined bloatedness and self-denial of recent computers. > > > >> Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS > >> software is overall pretty damn good. > >> John > > > >Perhaps, but only when it rips off that better software. > > Not true. I must admit, Microsoft's internally developped > Allegiance is one strikingly original (and cool) game, to this > point game of the year. If you haven't looked at this, it deserves > a look. And they did it in-house (not outside developed like > Age of Empires and Asheron's Call were).... Sorry, but I only find enjoyment playing Atari 2600 and other units of that period. It's minimalism I guess, mandating abstract thought in order to be entertaining. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 5 02:08:55 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:08:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <3912528A.3918DCA3@softhome.net> Message-ID: In message <3912528A.3918DCA3 at softhome.net>, MissileCommand writes >But why not let us condescend and find a publicly available >machine that runs Linux system? All Government machines in China now run Linux. Or so I'm told, not having seen all government machines in China personally. Or so I *think* I'm told. Hypnosis or hallucination is possible. -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 5 02:14:56 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:14:56 +0100 Subject: HW: MM In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000504212012.009a9cd0@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <4.1.20000504212012.009a9cd0 at pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Berry writes >I don't like the Pyat books either; they read like someone trying to be a better >writer than he actually is. FWIW I thought they were outstanding. Really moving and evocative writing. Seriously considered a trip to Oddessa, (if I ever took a day off again IN MY LIFE! Grumble!) -- Jon From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 03:07:50 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:07:50 +1000 Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape Message-ID: Knut has returned my Robert Calvert 'interview' tape from 1982, and as I have the whole thing available again now, I was considering putting it up on the web as a series of sound files. The tape, which Bob titled 'Ramblings at Dawn', is about 85 minutes worth of uninterrupted monologue about his work, from the first days with Hawkwind, up to the release of 'Hype'. Obviously I used quite a lot of it for the radio show back in '82, but there is a lot I didn't use - for instance, stuff relating to his one-man shows, and sections where he flew off at tangents, or frewheeled at such length as to be unfriendly for radio. I thought I might make the whole thing available, basically in its original, uninterrupted form, but divided into topic-related individual files, wherever possible. This might take me a while to do, and I admit I also had it in mind to construct a much larger Hawkwind-related sound project, using Bob's tape plus the unbroadcast interview tapes from Nik, Dave and Mike Moorcock, but this seems a bit too much to tackle just now. In any event, for both this idea, and any future project, can I just ask, which media format do people prefer the files to be in? In the past I have used Real Audio, though at the time it was mainly because it was an economical alternative to .wav. I don't have a MP3 recording program. My recollection is that that format is rather heftier than realaudio, and as I have to pay by the MB for uploads, I'd prefer to keep the size down. Also, because this is just voice stuff, and none of it of particularly good sound quality, real audio would probably be perfectly adequate - but if this is a really unpopular format, let me know. Also, I suppose, I just need to know whether thereis much interest in the Calvert stuff, as it's going to take a while to organise. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Fri May 5 03:41:50 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 02:41:50 -0500 Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape Message-ID: > Also, because this is just voice stuff, and > none of it of particularly good sound quality, real audio would probably be > perfectly adequate - but if this is a really unpopular format, let me know I say use realaudio for sure. You're right it's perfectly fine for this. I'd say 16kbps mono would sound great and make for some small file sizes which will be easy to download. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 5 05:05:31 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 04:05:31 -0500 Subject: HW: MM Message-ID: > FWIW I thought they were outstanding. Really moving and evocative > writing. Seriously considered a trip to Oddessa, (if I ever took a day > off again IN MY LIFE! Grumble!) > -- > Jon I'm at that point in the book right now! np: Red Star Red Army Chorus- Kalinka From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 04:38:54 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:38:54 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 08:01 AM 5/4/00 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>I`ll explain the statement to you, mainly because I feel like being >>patronising, You see I'd give Calvert 9/10 as a song writer, I'd give >>Moorcock 4/10 as an author (Personal opinion, I don`t like Fantasy) >>therefore in my eyes Calvert is better at what he does than Moorcock >>is.. see? I expressed my personal opinion in a lighthearted manner >>followed by a so people knew my tongue was in my >>cheek.. some people that is... > >Ah. But you yourself stated you don't like fantasy. 1-10 is a scaled >rating, but the world's greatest fantasy writer, whoever he may be, >even at a 10, would probably rate below someone at a 7 or 8 on your >songwriter scale. Also, if you're only acquainted with the Eternal Champion books via the Hawkwind albums, give them the benefit of the doubt. Personally I find Hawkwind's Black Sword stuff pretty embarressing; the books are much more satisying. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 5 04:15:31 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:15:31 +0100 Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape In-Reply-To: <20000505070748.CRPH25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: In message <20000505070748.CRPH25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au at Default> , Tim Gadd writes >Also, I suppose, I just need to know whether thereis much interest in the >Calvert stuff, as it's going to take a while to organise. God, yes, Tim, please! Important social document and all that. -- Jon From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri May 5 04:47:36 2000 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:47:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: JOHN M GRAY's message of "Thu, 4 May 2000 17:26:44 -0700" Message-ID: >>>>> "JMG" == JOHN M GRAY writes: JMG> Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS JMG> products when something like this virus hits. The only Much better, IMO, to *slam* them all the time. Then when these outbreaks occur you can sit back and look smug. Works for me ;-) JMG> reason people direct their viruses at MS is that it achieves JMG> maximum impact. Actually the reason that these script kiddies attack M$ products is that it's so damn easy. Why struggle when you can take out computers around the world in a few hours with some pretty poor code? BTW this ILOVEYOU thing is a worm not a virus but that's a side issue. Why are M$ products vulnerable? Firstly they are easily scripted using Visual BASIC for applications and VBScript. Worms are spread because M$ outlook email program has a vulnerable address book. It gets repeatedly targetted in this way but M$ do nothing about it. Secondly systems can be taken down because much of the configuration information resides in a single file called the registry. Look at the source code for ILOVEYOU and you'll see that some of its most destructive work is done by editing the registry. Another common attack form against M$ products the macro viruses work because M$ thinks that spreadsheets and word processed documents should be scriptable. Almost no-one uses the scripting features in M$ Office yet they are turned on by default. Why? Laziness or apathy. Finally ILOVEYOU is able to rename any files that it comes across on any of your file systems. It renames not only JPEGs but MPEGs and various Web formats including JavaScript and Stylesheet files. JMG> If Linux or any other operating system were JMG> as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for JMG> them and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS JMG> was. Because of the system of file permissions on UNIX-style operating systems this sort of attack is not possible. Writing the first virus for LINUX would give someone a lot of kudos, people _must_ be trying but they ain't got there yet. JMG> Popularity breeds contempt and I see it on this list JMG> all the time about MS. Yeah but not as much contempt as selling shoddy products and then having the cheek not to care. -- Chris Bates (c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk) School of Computing and Management Sciences - Sheffield Hallam University for HTML, DHTML, JavaScript, Perl, CGI Programming advice see: http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cms/teaching/crb/book/ From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Fri May 5 07:40:10 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:40:10 +0100 Subject: Theo's fave band! / drummer In-Reply-To: <20000504140850.A28018@telepres.com> Message-ID: At 19:08 04/05/00, you wrote: >On Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:00:02PM -0700, John H. McCartney wrote: > > [Carl Palmer] Truly one of the very few who can > > do an *interesting* drum solo. > > > > Another favorite I'm surprised I haven't seen mentioned is Bill > > Bruford, the man can play anything, in amy time signature. > >Someone once told me about a gig in the early 70s at which >Bruford played an exquisite 20-minute solo -- on one cymbal. >Wish I'd been there! Bruford IS amazing, but Max Roach was probaly the first to have a one cymbal solo as a party-piece, but since his career is now over fifty years long, he's probably the original A1 "geezer-drummer". Check out the phenomenal album of duets that he did with Cecil Taylor..... Taking off my j at zz hat again... ChrisW From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 08:55:45 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:55:45 +1000 Subject: HW: Lucky Lief Message-ID: At 06:20 PM 4/26/00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 07:21:22AM +1000, Tim Gadd wrote: >> I also couldn't help thinking that when RC recorded Lucky Lief, he pretty >> much re-defined the term 'quirky'. > >Uh huh. I like Calvert's stuff, a lot ... except for this one. >I searched for it for *years* on vinyl, and I think I only >listened to it once. Just to clarify, I didn't mean 'quirky', or any of the other things I said about this album, in a negative sense. I love this album. I just happen to think that it's the bentest thing he ever did (on vinyl anyway - and being more bent than Capt Lockheed is no mean feat), but AFAIC that's a plus. Besides which, I'm just impressed at someone who was considered, for all intents and purposes, to be a non-musician, writing so effortlessly and so commandingly in so many totally different musical genres. I've also noticed that if you play this album and Capt Lockheed to anyone with a good, wide rock music 'education', but who doesn't happen to be a Hawkwind fan, they almost invariably prefer Lucky Leif. I'm not sure that I prefer one to the other, but then my favourite musical parts of Capt Lockheed are the Songs of the Gremlin (part 2 of which just sends shivers down my spine), and Hero with a Wing, which are rather unlike the heavy rock style of most of the rest of it. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri May 5 09:38:00 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:38:00 -0400 Subject: SLOTERDIJK pulls out of Musicstock event, alerts ticket holders. Message-ID: The "space rock" project Sloterdijk is announcing the cancellation of their July 4th appearance in Weedsport NY. The concert, part of a festival which was originally billed as "Musicstock", has been through a constant series of schedule, venue and date changes, brought on largely by the public outcry against the gathering. The people of Weedsport and the surrounding area have succeeded in shutting down the music, which was to be loosely affiliated with the Cayuga county fair. Although seriously mismanaged already, this last legal battle resulted in the cancelation of all musical performances on July 3, 4, & 5. Now calling itself another name, the event is struggling to pay for itself and has once again proposed a venue and date change. The original benefit concert has now become a major "pay to play affair", with slots going to bands who throw in the most money. Out of the nearly 60 bands who had originally volunteered for this event, only about 20 will appear when and if the event secures the legal permission to convene at a ski resort in Rome NY, on July 28th & 29th. **ATTENTION** SLOTERDIJK HAS GIVEN AWAY MANY FREE TICKETS FOR THIS EVENT, PLEASE BE AWARE OF THIS CANCELATION. ALL INQUIRIES REGARDING THIS EVENT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED VIA THE URL BELOW: http://web.a-znet.com/musicstock http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 09:00:10 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:00:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: >All Government machines in China now run Linux. > >Or so I'm told, not having seen all government machines in China >personally. Or so I *think* I'm told. Hypnosis or hallucination is >possible. Actually, it is Hypgnosis who is responsible for this. During a recent art tour of china, Storm Thorgerson, who has been using subliminal "use linux" messages in his artwork for years, caused this dramatic transformation. The only exception is in Lhasa, where the local magistrate in charge of Tibetan repression still runs OS/2 Warp. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 09:00:10 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:00:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: >Because of the system of file permissions on UNIX-style operating >systems this sort of attack is not possible. Writing the first virus >for LINUX would give someone a lot of kudos, people _must_ be trying >but they ain't got there yet. I would have to agree on the permissions thing, FAT is a really lousy thing to build an operating system on, FAT32 isn't much better. NTFS was an improvement.... but it wasn't until 2000 that they finally added activedirectories. Unfortunately, most people out there are not running this. However, look at it this way. If having such a file system were hurting their business, they would have fixed it by now. But you can't say that it has. Other operating systems with far better filesystems don't get their sales. So why should they be concerned? The average age of a Microsoft employee is under 29. This allows them to learn where the faults are then go out and go into business fixing them elsewhere. They create an industry for themselves. >Yeah but not as much contempt as selling shoddy products and then >having the cheek not to care. It's not they who don't care. It's the people who buy them that don't care. If people stopped buying them, then Microsoft would care. Until then, can you blame them? "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 09:00:09 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:00:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: >> Not true. I must admit, Microsoft's internally developped >> Allegiance is one strikingly original (and cool) game, to this >> point game of the year. If you haven't looked at this, it deserves >> a look. And they did it in-house (not outside developed like >> Age of Empires and Asheron's Call were).... > >Sorry, but I only find enjoyment playing Atari 2600 and other units of that >period. It's minimalism I guess, mandating abstract thought in order to be >entertaining. I used to play 2600's too. Lots of fun in its day. But such things are better left to nostalgia. I remember when the revised pitfall came out (one of the first win '95 programs BTW), one of its bonus features was a secret level that took you to the original pitfall... With great anticipation I found the level and entered. this was going to be so good..... ack! I spent hundreds of ours of my life playing that? It completely ruined the nostalgia. I'm sorry, today's stuff is completely immersive, they are so far apart... I mean, a gameboy probably has more sophistication than an atari 2600. I can understand someone not being into computer games. I can understand someone wistfully looking back at a time they were. But I cannot fathom someone spending time today playing 2600 games. If you do, well, more power to ya. There are a number of atari 2600 emuluaters out there you can get and run just about all the titles with on your PC. Ditto for C-64, too. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 5 09:54:25 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:54:25 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Fri, 5 May 2000 18:38:54 +1000 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > Also, if you're only acquainted with the Eternal Champion books via > the Hawkwind albums, give them the benefit of the doubt. Personally I > find Hawkwind's Black Sword stuff pretty embarressing You gotta hand it to a band who can OutTap Spinal Tap. Mike "goes up to eleven" Holmes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 5 10:16:51 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:51 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <200005031252.IAA06430@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: Well, I just started KING OF THE CITY, and it's shaping up to be one of his best... -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 5 11:17:25 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:17:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olde games In-Reply-To: <200005051300.JAA28420@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2000, Andrew A. Apold wrote: => I can understand someone not being into computer games. I can understand => someone wistfully looking back at a time they were. But I cannot fathom => someone spending time today playing 2600 games. If you do, well, more => power to ya. There are a number of atari 2600 emuluaters out there you => can get and run just about all the titles with on your PC. Ditto for => C-64, too. Actually, I got to relive the nostalgia of my youth, and recently installed a BBC Micro emulator. I was very pleasantly surprised how many of the old games stood the test of time, often due to their surreal plotlines or settings, but on the whole, yes, they pretty much paled. But, I have to admit that it was exciting to fire up ye olde Alien-8 once again, and still find it immensely playable. (And, yes, I'm still hopeless at it.:) Some games are indeed timeless. (Or maybe I'm overly unsophisticated.:) Cheers, Paul. (Brought to you courtesy of The Chuckie Egg Appreciation Society.) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 5 11:25:56 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:25:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olde games In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 5 May 2000 11:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Actually, I got to relive the nostalgia of my youth, and recently > installed a BBC Micro emulator. I was very pleasantly surprised how > many of the old games stood the test of time, often due to their surreal > plotlines or settings, but on the whole, yes, they pretty much paled. I still have a working BBC Master 512 and occasionally play Elite (great with a proportional joystick), Monsters and Chuckie Egg. Really though I'm a major fan of Civilisation II and Mech Commander. FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri May 5 11:35:40 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:35:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <200005051300.JAA28420@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2000, Andrew A. Apold wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) : [snip snip] :>Sorry, but I only find enjoyment playing Atari 2600 and other units of that :>period. It's minimalism I guess, mandating abstract thought in order to be :>entertaining. [snip snip] :I'm sorry, today's stuff is completely immersive, they are so far apart... :I mean, a gameboy probably has more sophistication than an atari 2600. : :I can understand someone not being into computer games. I can understand :someone wistfully looking back at a time they were. But I cannot fathom :someone spending time today playing 2600 games. If you do, well, more :power to ya. There are a number of atari 2600 emuluaters out there you :can get and run just about all the titles with on your PC. Ditto for :C-64, too. Andrew, I still like playing atari 2600 games (..and several of the old arcade games) mostly because the game play seemed to be much "purer" then. ...but then, again, I've never really been into first-person shooters, so perhaps the modern arcade revolution has passed me by. Still, emulators are fun (mmm, mmm, mame.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 5 11:56:15 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:56:15 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind programmes on sale Message-ID: I just got the Monsters of Rock '82 and Reading '86 programmes from Rock of Ages. They also have the Levitation, Sonic Attack ones and Astounding ones. www.rockofages.uk.com Meanwhile the Masques and Live '79 programmes are up for auction on www.ebay.com If you haven't already started a programmes collection, now's your chance.. FoFP From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri May 5 11:45:46 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:45:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Like DEVO said, "Freedom from choice, is what you want". Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt [SMTP:lwitt1 at USWEST.NET] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:36 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > The US government usually acts in the interests of capitalism, doesn't it? > I don't know where that came from. But, I wish the the U.S. government did actually operate in the interest of capitalism. Unfortunately we're headed down the tubes right now. With the government getting their little fingers in to everything we do, and regulating everything they can think of, stomping on people's rights and big company's too(microsoft). It's scary when the feds can announce that MS is too popular, we're going to chop you up, or they send you a census form and request to know how many toilets you have(of course that information would never be used to harm you etc). Nope, the US government is not interested in real capitalism right now. Sadly a lot of people don't want to be free anymore anyway, they'd rather have the goverment do everything for them. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri May 5 12:12:32 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:12:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <002301bfb644$88464080$adfcfea9@09yrk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and forced me > to use their products. Get real, they conduct business like most other > companies, that's capitalism. If I chime in here, and just say, "Yes! So you _do_ see the problem!" that's just going to cause trouble, isn't it? :-) > >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or > less > >forces people to use its software. It is attacked because of its > insecurity > >because the company claims that it is secure, when it's obviously not. This > is > >sometimes even the reason why viruses are written in the first place. It looks pretty and idiots can use it. You have to be expert to start with anything else on the market except MacOS. Nobody else is filling that niche. Means they can make what they like, converting the drones will be too expensive. Me, I use 3.1 because I got it with my 2nd-hand box and it only breaks once or twice a week. Mostly because of something funny hitting it from our modem. Or Netscape. The actual OS is pretty durable once you're very familiar with it. 95 on the other hand is the biggest and most disgraceful sham perpetrated on a mass market since . Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 5 12:15:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:15:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000505000953.010f8ac0@flite.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: => Some things are self-fulfilling. Create something that all the "morons" => can use, and guess what, the "morons" will mess it up. If you had a => system that required some intelligence to operate, then those most likely => to screw it up wouldn't be using them. Thus they are more reliable. This just perpetuates the myth that Windoze is easy to admin. It's not. Why do you think they ship it pre-installed? It's because the "morons" (as you call them) can't install it and reliably get and maintain a working system. Most Windoze users I know who don't have some kind of background in computing don't admin their own Windoze systems. They get other people to do that for them---usually me (unluckily)! Then, when it's not crashing, they say to me, "hey, why don't you use Windoze---it's really usable," forgetting, of course, that they didn't have to put in the grind to make it "usable" (between crashes, that is). They fail to recognise that just about any other OS would be just as "usable" under the same circumstances (probably more so). If Unix is "so hard," why is it that 5th graders at computer camp can have no problems with it and X windows? (Maybe because it was their first exposure, and they hadn't been brainwashed into thinking it was beyond them?) Why is a pre-installed Unix system running FVWM95 (Windoze 95 desktop lookalike) more difficult to use than a M$-Windoze system? (Never mind GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, and other window managers...) => Give in. I was an Amiga developer. The stuff mac users have been saying => to themselves these last 4-5 years, we said them, too. It doesn't matter. => Develop for the largest market. Okay, I'll give in. And whilst I'm at it, I'll stop supporting Hawkwind and BOC and, instead, pay my money to tried-and-trusted market leaders such as Britney Spears, N'Sync, and the Backstreet Boys (or whatever their avatar is this week). I'll forsake quality for mass appeal and commercial success. I will conform, dammit! => BTW, You'd be surprised to know how bad the power in some major metropolitan => areas can actually be. If you have critical stuff, get a UPS and get => clean power. It's probably not the spikes so much as the mild low => semi-brownouts that hurt the most often. The perverse thing about this is that we don't have money in our budget for useful stuff like UPSes and hard drives, but we can blow, e.g., $150 on a single-user copy of M$-Project, or $30/throw for multiple copies of Norton Antivirus. Sick. => >I have no objection to people using Micro$oft products, but, please, => >let's try and see it for what it is. (And "pretty good" it ain't...:) => => Really, it depends on what you're talking about. Their office apps are => top-notch, they have no equal, period, now or ever. And if someone => offers micro-emacs as a worthy alternative... sheez. Corel is => retreating to Linux becasue they can't compete. How soon they forget... Here's an "ever:" Back in the 80s, when M$-Word was still around version 3 or 4, and ran in text mode only, I was using Adobe Framemaker on a Sun 3 workstation under SunOS. Probably about a decade later, when M$ released Word (for Windoze) 5 or 6, or 97 (or whatever flavour-of-the-month numbering scheme), did they finally have a product that had the features supported by that old Framemaker. So be careful about the "now or ever" claim. Framemaker was doing all that stuff ages ago, and, for all I know, is probably better nowadays (unless it's been domineered out of the market; I dunno, I stopped using it long ago). But that is the beauty and power of Micro$oft marketing: they are able to promote the notion that they are "innovators." It's reality creation honed to a fine art. Unfortunately, people either have short memories, or don't know any better (or want to lie to themselves to cover up the ugly lie). I'll admit that M$-Office is Micro$oft's "killer app" (but very rapidly going downhill to "bloatware syndrome" and "useless featuritis"). Maybe that's why they haven't ported it to Unix: why would anyone suffer Windoze if you could run Office on a stable platform? ;-) As for me, I tend to avoid M$-Office in favour of things better suited to my needs. I use LaTeX, because it handles what I need to do best (academic papers with mathematical formulae and bibliographic citations). If I want to do *real* number crunching, I'll use either Mathematica or SAS (and GNUPlot for graphs). (I use gnumeric when I need to do spreadsheets, but I don't remember the last time I did.) I don't use M$-Access because it is a toy (i prefer postgresql or mySQL); and, heck, I just use LaTeX, or HTML, or PDF for presentations, but then slick transitions is not my style. I tried out StarOffice, and it seemed okay, but not enough to sway me. Micro$oft may be wildly successful, but they definitely don't make "pretty good products." Cheers, Paul. PS: M$-Office lost my allegiance when they got rid of Power Pup (one of the help agents in Office 97) in Office 2000!!!!! ;-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri May 5 12:16:23 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:16:23 EDT Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: Heh, my seven-year-old niece is always pestering me to fire up the ol' Commodore so that we can play some of the old games on THAT. :-) Actually, I do miss writing my own programs... SET From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 12:25:36 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:25:36 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 02:54 PM 5/5/00 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Tim Gadd writes: > >> Also, if you're only acquainted with the Eternal Champion books via >> the Hawkwind albums, give them the benefit of the doubt. Personally I >> find Hawkwind's Black Sword stuff pretty embarressing > >You gotta hand it to a band who can OutTap Spinal Tap. What are you talking about? According to the sleeve notes by Brian Tawn, Live Chronicles is "Surely... the ultimate Hawkwind recording, and a souvenir of the greatest live show in the history of rock music" (whereas Calvert's 'Freq' is "an unusual and interesting album") -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 12:28:42 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:28:42 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: - I'll concede though, that Black Sword is stronger and more coherent _musically_ than anything between it and Levitation; it's just the flamin' lyrics I have trouble with. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 12:56:44 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:56:44 +1000 Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape Message-ID: Can I just get some idea of what kind of file size people would prefer this to be broken up into? Would you prefer a relatively small number of very long segments, or a relatively large number of smaller ones which are more topic-specific (I'm leaning towards the latter, without making them too small). What sort of size file would people consider small enough to not constitute too big a pain to download? I don't want to divide the things up into unecessarily small files, but I'd like to still keep them manageable. I only have a 14.4k modem, so my idea of what constitutes too large is probably going to be more conservative than most people's. With my slow connection, I generally regard anything bigger than about 250k to be fairly offputting, but I think these files are going to have to be considerably bigger than that. I just wanted to add that I don't want to get into the business of making physical copies of this tape. I haven't been into tape swapping for a long time, and there's not really anything I'm particularly after, plus I don't want to put repeated strain on a TDK-D low noise tape that's already nearly 20 years old (yes, transferring it to CD is a good idea.) I'd like to do the thing once, get it all up on the web, and have it there permanently, so anyone can download it and do whatever with it, whenever they like. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 4 08:52:17 2000 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:52:17 +0000 Subject: TEST Message-ID: This is only a test to see if my stupid e-mail account is working. From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri May 5 13:20:12 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:20:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather: Great Rant. Couldn't have said it better myself. :) Mike From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri May 5 13:24:34 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <20000505162841.EWXO25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: Personally I love the lyrics from the Chonicals live album. I think they did a more than decent job tracing the epic. Some of the lyrical hooks like in Moonglum are very memorable. Of course I have been a MM and Eternal Champion fan since 1973 (or so I dont remember the first year I read Elric) (Although I do remember a fine sendoff in one of the wargame magazines I read as a child called El-Duck of Melba-Toast)so I am pretty biased. As for the music this double live CD is very fine IMHO. The orig studio doesnt cut it as much for me. Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Tim Gadd >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:29 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords > > >- I'll concede though, that Black Sword is stronger and more coherent >_musically_ than anything between it and Levitation; it's just the flamin' >lyrics I have trouble with. >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri May 5 13:26:55 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:26:55 -0400 Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape In-Reply-To: <20000505165643.EYYQ25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: How is the Punkcast set up? I liked that format and sized. Now that I am broadband I should shut up though. Michael >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Tim Gadd >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:57 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: The Calvert Tape > > >Can I just get some idea of what kind of file size people would prefer this >to be broken up into? Would you prefer a relatively small number of very >long segments, or a relatively large number of smaller ones which are more >topic-specific (I'm leaning towards the latter, without making >them too small). > >What sort of size file would people consider small enough to not constitute >too big a pain to download? I don't want to divide the things up into >unecessarily small files, but I'd like to still keep them >manageable. I only >have a 14.4k modem, so my idea of what constitutes too large is probably >going to be more conservative than most people's. With my slow >connection, I >generally regard anything bigger than about 250k to be fairly offputting, >but I think these files are going to have to be considerably >bigger than that. > >I just wanted to add that I don't want to get into the business of making >physical copies of this tape. I haven't been into tape swapping for a long >time, and there's not really anything I'm particularly after, plus I don't >want to put repeated strain on a TDK-D low noise tape that's already nearly >20 years old (yes, transferring it to CD is a good idea.) I'd like >to do the >thing once, get it all up on the web, and have it there permanently, so >anyone can download it and do whatever with it, whenever they like. > >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 13:06:19 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:06:19 -0400 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: >- I'll concede though, that Black Sword is stronger and more coherent >_musically_ than anything between it and Levitation; it's just the flamin' >lyrics I have trouble with. Aw, c'mon, you got a problem with "Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana"? ..... Actually, the opening moments of "Moonglum", from the trailing off part of Lords of chaos, I think, to about the part where the lyrics start, is one of my all time favorite hawkwind pieces. Definitely my favorite Huw piece. It seemed he was almost trying to make up for the lack of drumming singlehandedly with guitar... Apart from that, I generally don't think they're much worse than your typical non-calvert hawkwind lyrics. Calvert's stuff was way above the rest, no argument there. I do quite like the lyrics for Needle Gun, Dreaming City, and Elric the Enchanter (part I only). Besides, the lyrics of any Black Sword song are better than that of say, BOC's 'Beat 'em Up'.... "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri May 5 13:51:55 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:51:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Olde games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 10 ? "Kevin is cool!!!" 20 GOTO 10 That was my first Vic-20 programming experience, I think. I actually got pretty good at BASIC, then got into PASCAL, some FORTRAN, delved into Assembly Language, LISP a bit, and even FORTH. Nowadays, all I do is use applications, but I do miss programming. "In my younger days, I had to PEEK and POKE in ten feet of snow, barefooted..." Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Steven Tice > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:16 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Olde games > > > Heh, my seven-year-old niece is always pestering me to fire up the ol' > Commodore so that we can play some of the old games on THAT. :-) > Actually, I > do miss writing my own programs... > > SET > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 5 13:13:19 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:13:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motörhead tour ARGGGHHHH! Message-ID: Hi Folks... Here's some dates for Lemmy & Co....lock up your daughters! :) Huh? Lemmy and Stereolab together? What's that about?! Poor Letitia! :) Motorhead on tour... Sun 5/21/00 Las Vegas, NV -House of Blues Fu Manchu, Nashville Pussy, Speedealer Tue 5/23/00 Santa Ana, CA The Galaxy Concert Theatre " Wed 5/24/00 Los Angeles, CA The Palace " Thu 5/25/00 San Francisco, CA Maritime Hall " Sat 5/27/00 Portland, OR Roseland Theatre " Sun 5/28/00 Boise, ID Skateworld " Mon 5/29/00 Seattle, WA Showbox Music Club " Tue 5/30/00 Victoria, BC University Centre Auditorium " Wed 5/31/00 Vancouver, BC The Commodore Ballroom " Fri 6/2/00 Edmonton, AB Northlands Agricom Arena " Sat 6/3/00 Calgary, AB Macewan Hall Ballroom " Mon 6/5/00 Winnipeg, MB Walker Theatre " Tue 6/6/00 Fargo, ND -Playmakers Pavilion Nash. Pussy, Speedealer, Supersuckers Wed 6/7/00 Minneapolis, MN First Avenue " Fri 6/9/00 Denver, CO Ogden Theatre " Sat 6/10/00 Colorado Springs, CO Colorado Music Hall " Sun 6/11/00 Oklahoma City, OK -Diamond Ballroom Nash. Pussy, Supersuckers Tue 6/13/00 Chicago, IL House of Blues " Wed 6/14/00 Ft. Wayne, IN Pierre's Supersuckers Thu 6/15/00 Pontiac, MI Clutch Cargo's " Fri 6/16/00 Cleveland, OH -Agora Hair Of The Dog, Nashville Pussy, Supersuckers Sat 6/17/00 Cincinnati, OH Bogart's " Sun 6/18/00 Atlanta, GA The Tabernacle Supersuckers Tue 6/20/00 Washington, DC -9:30 Club Johnny Dowd, Sonic Youth, Stereolab, Supersuckers Wed 6/21/00 Philadelphia, PA Trocadero Theatre Supersuckers Fri 6/23/00 Clifton Park, NY Northern Lights " Sat 6/24/00 Toronto, ON The Warehouse " Sun 6/25/00 Montreal, QC Le Medley " Tue 6/27/00 Providence, RI Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel " Wed 6/28/00 New York, NY Limelight " Sat 7/8/00 Mannheim, Germany Maimarktgelande Metal 2000 Iron Maiden Sun 7/9/00 Essen, Germany Georg Melches Stadion Metal 2000 Iron Maiden Tue 7/11/00 Munich, Garmany Georg Elser Halle ? Thu 7/13/00 Berlin, Germany Columbiahalle ? Fri 7/14/00 Dresden, Germany Alter Schlachthof ? Sat 7/15/00 Hannover, Germany Capitol ? Sun 7/16/00 Leipzig, Germany Haus Auensee ? Fri 7/28/00 Guildford, England Guildford Festival ? Sat 7/29/00 Nottingham, England Rock & Blues Custom Show ? From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 13:09:50 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:09:50 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: old games Message-ID: Struggling to steer back on topic. I mentioned earlier that I am an avid participant of Microsoft's Allegiance space flight sim/rts/strategy/action hybrid game. I was wondering if anyone else on here played or was thinking of playing that.... Thought the idea of a hawkwind themed clan would be cool... Basically, it's a flight sim, but someone is the commander and plays it more like a real-time strategy (RTS, like Homeworld or Warcraft) game except the individual units are people, who receive orders but don't always follow them. Or you can be your team's investor and handle the funding and expenditures of the group. Anyway, I'll take this off-topic, but anyone interested contact me. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 14:32:10 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:32:10 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: At 01:24 PM 5/5/00 -0400, Michael S. Habiby wrote: >Personally I love the lyrics from the Chonicals live album. I think they >did a more than decent job tracing the epic. Some of the lyrical hooks like >in Moonglum are very memorable. 'Moonglum' is definately my favourite track from that album, but more (I suspect) for the melody, and just the general feel of the thing. I prefered it when I couldn't figure out what the words were :) (similarly, I rather liked the melody in Huw' 'Dragons and Fables - though in this case I thought the lyrics were quite good, too. Overall I may not have been a huge fan of the lead-guitar dominated HW sound, but Huw definately penned some of the best songs from the first half of the 80's, IMHO.) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 5 14:33:21 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:33:21 +1000 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: >Aw, c'mon, you got a problem with > >"Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana"? Like I said, I used to really like that line, when it just sounded like a vague series of syllables in some foreign tongue :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 14:17:51 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:17:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: >10 ? "Kevin is cool!!!" >20 GOTO 10 > > >That was my first Vic-20 programming experience, I think. I actually got >pretty good at BASIC, then got into PASCAL, some FORTRAN, delved into >Assembly Language, LISP a bit, and even FORTH. Nowadays, all I do is use >applications, but I do miss programming. >"In my younger days, I had to PEEK and POKE in ten feet of snow, >barefooted..." Jeh, I started on a Commodore pet, but cut my teeth on a Vic-20 (hey, i had the 8k memory expansion cartridge!) and then a C-64. I was a pretty faithful commodore man, going through every one of their other models (C-128, Amiga 500, 2000, 3000, 4000) except the dreaded Plus 4. Stuff was fun back then. I wrote my own games back then. But for everything that seemed cool back then, there were uncool stuff. Hands up if you remember - the poke command that could physically destroy a commodore pet - removing comments from your code to save memory - trying to type on calculator-style keys of the first pets. bonus points for having attempted to type on the microwave pad style keyboard of an Atari 400. - accidentally listened to what was on an audio casette that you saved data on. - drilled a hole in the back of a commodore 64, mounted a switch and then soldered wires to two pins of the cartridge port to create a reset switch - having a large and versatile collection of ascii art. bonus points if you had ascii pornography. - writing a program to flash a commodore 64 screen in black and white to create a strobe light. Bonus points if you could syncronize it to a ceiling fan, turned off all the other lights, and marvelled at how the ceiling fan at high speed appeared to be motionless. - typing anything from a magazine that was over 8 pages in length. bonus points if it was straight hex codes from a compiled app. (my numeric typing speed I attribute to this day to doing these).... - having a friend who knew how to copy disks and nothing else. The one I knew needed a blank disk for some app. So he pulled out his trusty master blank disk and copied it. (he didn't know how to format, so he had someone make him one and then used his copy program to copy the blank disk whenever he needed one). It gets worse. He once tried to copy my cleaning disc. - setting the colors real dark and trying to run productivity apps on an amiga in "flicker" interlaced mode. - "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri May 5 15:55:18 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:18 EDT Subject: HW: The Calvert Tape Message-ID: It would certainly make me a very happy man to be able to hear the interview in its entirity....I really hope you do get it together....If you do ,I'd prefer it in a format accessible to Real Audio player or Winamp or ......I'm not a technical genius I'm afraid so I dont realy understand a lot of computer jargon so forgive me if these are the same format...theyre just the only 2 players I've mastered so far !! All the best Al From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri May 5 16:19:36 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:19:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: Ah yes.... Those were the days of wooden computers and iron programmers. I was a TRS-80 Color Computer fan myself, what with that whopping 16K of memory (which I later proudly upgraded to the mind-boggling 64K). I even wrote a few articles for the Color Computer magazines of the day..... things really were FUN in those days, but it does seem pathetic in a way.... I mean all that effort to get some squarish primary-color graphics.... chokes me up! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com > >10 ? "Kevin is cool!!!" > >20 GOTO 10 > > > > > >That was my first Vic-20 programming experience, I think. I actually got > >pretty good at BASIC, then got into PASCAL, some FORTRAN, delved into > >Assembly Language, LISP a bit, and even FORTH. Nowadays, all I do is use > >applications, but I do miss programming. > >"In my younger days, I had to PEEK and POKE in ten feet of snow, > >barefooted..." > > Jeh, I started on a Commodore pet, but cut my teeth on a Vic-20 > (hey, i had the 8k memory expansion cartridge!) and then a C-64. > I was a pretty faithful commodore man, going through every one of > their other models (C-128, Amiga 500, 2000, 3000, 4000) except > the dreaded Plus 4. > > Stuff was fun back then. I wrote my own games back then. But for > everything that seemed cool back then, there were uncool stuff. > > Hands up if you remember > > - the poke command that could physically destroy a commodore pet > > - removing comments from your code to save memory > > - trying to type on calculator-style keys of the first pets. > bonus points for having attempted to type on the microwave pad > style keyboard of an Atari 400. > > - accidentally listened to what was on an audio casette that > you saved data on. > > - drilled a hole in the back of a commodore 64, mounted a > switch and then soldered wires to two pins of the > cartridge port to create a reset switch > > - having a large and versatile collection of ascii art. > bonus points if you had ascii pornography. > > - writing a program to flash a commodore 64 screen in black and > white to create a strobe light. Bonus points if you > could syncronize it to a ceiling fan, turned off all > the other lights, and marvelled at how the ceiling fan > at high speed appeared to be motionless. > > - typing anything from a magazine that was over 8 pages in length. > bonus points if it was straight hex codes from a compiled > app. (my numeric typing speed I attribute to this day to > doing these).... > > - having a friend who knew how to copy disks and nothing else. > The one I knew needed a blank disk for some app. So he > pulled out his trusty master blank disk and copied it. > (he didn't know how to format, so he had someone make him > one and then used his copy program to copy the blank disk > whenever he needed one). It gets worse. He once tried > to copy my cleaning disc. > > - setting the colors real dark and trying to run productivity > apps on an amiga in "flicker" interlaced mode. > > - > > > "I can saw a woman in two... > but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" > - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon > =============== > Andrew Apold > From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri May 5 16:03:08 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:03:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: >Ah yes.... >Those were the days of wooden computers and iron programmers. I was a >TRS-80 Color Computer fan myself, what with that whopping 16K of memory >(which I later proudly upgraded to the mind-boggling 64K). I even wrote a >few articles for the Color Computer magazines of the day..... things really >were FUN in those days, but it does seem pathetic in a way.... I mean all >that effort to get some squarish primary-color graphics.... chokes me up! Don't suppose you ever used Dosplus for the Trash-80.... that was from my outfit, albeit its day had passed by the time I started working there. Dosplus was actually one of two proposed disk operating systems for the Trash, it lost out to one written by Bill Gates. Miffed, my old boss released his as an add-on with some extra features, was somewhat popular in its day. Ah, Micro-Systems, a closet outfit which never exceeded six people in the entire time I worked there. The stuff we did there... I mean, when excellence! (an Amiga word processor) 3.0 came out, they had me write the french version. Dialogs, menus, installation utility, even some notes for the manual. "I don't speak french", I protested. "You speak spanish, that's close enough", I was told, as they handed me a French-English pocket dictionary. You should've seen the angry letters from french people we got. One of them went so far as to outline every single error with corrections, which we promptly made and sent him a new copy. "Someone always does that", they told me, "no need to pay anyone to do it." "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 5 17:27:13 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:27:13 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > And I guess Albert told Buck exactly > how to play all those great solos, right? Hard to believe that a guy > that elsewhere in the article Deb desribes as very talented and > bemoans the lack of recognition thereof, now is accused of being an > unoriginal carion bird! Some comments, irregardless of how true they are, should not be said. What we have here is someone trying to say something indirectly and some people don't get it. If you're still confused, then read between the lines. From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 5 17:55:30 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:55:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Olde games In-Reply-To: <200005052003.QAA14726@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: HEY! Where did Bill Gates go to college? At 04:03 PM 05/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Ah yes.... >>Those were the days of wooden computers and iron programmers. I was a >>TRS-80 Color Computer fan myself, what with that whopping 16K of memory >>(which I later proudly upgraded to the mind-boggling 64K). I even wrote a >>few articles for the Color Computer magazines of the day..... things really >>were FUN in those days, but it does seem pathetic in a way.... I mean all >>that effort to get some squarish primary-color graphics.... chokes me up! > >Don't suppose you ever used Dosplus for the Trash-80.... that was from >my outfit, albeit its day had passed by the time I started working there. > >Dosplus was actually one of two proposed disk operating systems for the >Trash, it lost out to one written by Bill Gates. Miffed, my old boss >released his as an add-on with some extra features, was somewhat popular in its >day. Ah, Micro-Systems, a closet outfit which never exceeded six people >in the entire time I worked there. The stuff we did there... I mean, >when excellence! (an Amiga word processor) 3.0 came out, they had me >write the french version. Dialogs, menus, installation utility, even >some notes for the manual. "I don't speak french", I protested. >"You speak spanish, that's close enough", I was told, as they handed >me a French-English pocket dictionary. You should've seen the angry >letters from french people we got. One of them went so far as to outline >every single error with corrections, which we promptly made and sent him >a new copy. "Someone always does that", they told me, "no need to pay >anyone to do it." > > >"I can saw a woman in two... > but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" > - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon >=============== >Andrew Apold > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 5 19:07:17 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:07:17 EDT Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine)//update [?] 1904pm Message-ID: dunno exactly where it came from; it was forward from my friend diana. who's 'we'?' "<>" supermac clone, m'self === We believe we have finally eradicated "I Love You" and the "Joke" variant from our servers and mail systems. However, other variants are popping up around the world. One supposedly arrives with a subject of "Mother's Day Order Confirmation". Barely skilled people could repackage this with any subject they choose. PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL WITH ANY EMAIL ATTACHMENTS! If you haven't already, please click on View and click to check the Preview Pane in Outlook. This will display the text of a msg below your inbox without your having to open it. If the msg has an attachment, a paper clip will appear in the upper right hand corner of the preview pane. Click ONCE on the paper clip to see the full name of the attachment file. If it has a .vbs extension, DELETE THE EMAIL, even if it is from a trusted source. There is no reason why anyone should send you a vbs file. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 5 19:26:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:26:34 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: from my cybermonster friend dan in L.A., provider to me of my machine.. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Dan MacMillan Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:18:08 -0700 Size: 1946 URL: From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri May 5 21:25:52 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:25:52 EDT Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine)//update [?] 1904pm Message-ID: just a tidbit for those interested in either viruses or the overthrow of huge national corporations... barnes and noble inc has been without corporate/inter-office e-mail for 48 hrs. (so far) because they got nailed with 'i love you'...take it from me this is a major setback. rmayo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri May 5 21:31:45 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:31:45 EDT Subject: motorhead lp preview Message-ID: due out 5.16; i just got an advance cd. It's their balls-out-rockinest since 'bastards'; with a cover of 'god save the queen', an instant classic in 'we are motorhead', a skynrd-esque ballad that vaporizes cries of 'sell-out' by including the f word in the title and chorus, and a killer cover by petagno. longtime fans will be thrilled, newbies should be impressed, and the apathetic can kiss my ass. rmayo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 5 21:28:18 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:28:18 -0700 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: On Sat, 6 May 2000 04:32:10 +1000, Tim Gadd wrote: >At 01:24 PM 5/5/00 -0400, Michael S. Habiby wrote: >>Personally I love the lyrics from the Chonicals live album... > >'Moonglum' is definately my favourite track from that album, but more (I >suspect) for the melody, and just the general feel of the thing. At the time, I remember it being announced as a contender for single release. I think it would have made a great single - it's definitely one of my favorite songs on the album (again, for the melody!). As for the lyrics on 'Live Chronicles', I like Harvey's narrations the best ("heh heh heh ... I have turned Zarozinia into a worm!"). Those definitely go all the way to "11" ;^). >I prefered >it when I couldn't figure out what the words were :) (similarly, I rather >liked the melody in Huw' 'Dragons and Fables - though in this case I thought >the lyrics were quite good, too. Overall I may not have been a huge fan of >the lead-guitar dominated HW sound, but Huw definately penned some of the >best songs from the first half of the 80's, IMHO.) I'm in 100% agreement on both counts. Although Huw had some fine moments as a melodic lead guitarist ("Motorway City" and "The Island" being standouts), I was never very much into his overall sound and most of his solos. However, almost every song he wrote for Hawkwind was great. I'd definitely add "Rocky Paths" to the list, as well as the 'Out and Intake' version of "Waiting For Tomorrow" (with the nice flute on it). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri May 5 21:48:17 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:48:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: motorhead lp preview Message-ID: rmayo wrote: >due out 5.16; i just got an advance cd. It's their balls-out-rockinest since >'bastards'; Great news! Do you know what's up with imotorhead.com? I haven't been there in a long time, but when I tried to check it out today I got a "forbidden" error. >with a cover of 'god save the queen', an instant classic in 'we >are motorhead', a skynrd-esque ballad that vaporizes cries of 'sell-out' by >including the f word in the title and chorus, and a killer cover by petagno. >longtime fans will be thrilled, newbies should be impressed, and the >apathetic can kiss my ass. The apathetic probably would have stopped reading at the subject line. ;-) As for me, I'm very anxious to hear this. Thanks for the preview. Brian obCD> 1916 ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Sat May 6 01:44:17 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:44:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: That's real funny, as a network administrator, I use all three systems, and MS is the one that's best for use of use and doesn't crash with bugs. All are open to security problems. Comments like yours makes me wonder what experience you base it on. I am a administrator on a 1200 computer network running 4 different OS's, I think I have some experience on how much MS "sucks". I think there is a lot of sour grapes and people who run other OS's on a few boxes and base all their "experience on how well it works on their "big" network. If MS sucks so bad then why isn't everyone rushing to buy something else? Oh yeah, the MS police force you to use MS, I forgot! Ha! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > On Thu, 4 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY complained: > > => Jeez, I really get sick of hearing people slamming MS products when > => something like this virus hits. The only reason people direct their viruses > => at MS is that it achieves maximum impact. If Linux or any other operating > => system were as popular as MS then they would be writing the virus for them > => and we would all be complaining how vulnerable that OS was. Popularity > => breeds contempt and I see it on this list all the time about MS. Get real > => people, MS has good products and has immeasurably improved the computer > => industry. Yes, there are many companies with products better but MS > => software is overall pretty damn good. > > Ha ha. I haven't had a good laugh like this in a long time. Hey, they > don't call it M$-Winblows for nothing. If you're happy with a system > that is as unreliable and expensive as M$-Windoze then, heck, more power > to you. But don't try and kid people that M$ has "good products." They > don't. They are wildly successful, but their technology blows big > chunks. ("Get real!":) > > People target M$ because, yes, it achieves maximum impact, but also > because it's so easy, it's like taking candy from a baby. It's not even > a challenge. "Micro$oft security" and "Micro$oft reliability" are both > oxymorons. You have to wonder about a product (Windoze) that spawned an > entire industry devoted to selling third-party products ("CrashGuard," > "Windoze First Aid," etc.) designed to make that product work > semi-reliably (or, as it should in the first place). > > Fortunately for Micro$oft, they've managed to develop a business > strategy in which they are able to sell bug fixes as "product > upgrades." Pay us $99 and we'll fix all the shoddy stuff we sold you > last time. Heheh. Nice work if you can get it, and proof that the old > adage of "there's a sucker born every minute" still rings true. I'd say > Micro$oft marketing, not their software, is "pretty damn good." > > Fortunately, I do not use M$ "products" on a regular basis. A friend > that does is always cursing at her system, which usually crashes several > times a day. On an unrelated note, the system I use on a daily basis > (gromit) is about to pass the 140 days uptime mark (despite constant use > as a FTP server when I'm not using it). The last time it went down was > actually due to flaky power in our lab (power interruption during a bad > storm). Similarly, a server for a project I'm involved with (and which > also hosts several other projects) passed the 200 day uptime mark; the > last time that machine went down was due to a hardware failure (hard > disc + mainboard failure). Both are Unix systems. The M$-Windoze NT > systems in our lab (ostensibly the more "reliable" M$ platform) rarely > manage more than about 1 week of uptime between software-induced > crashes. > > I know people from our lab who have gone to work for Micro$oft, and even > they admit it blows, but, heck, it pays the rent... > > I have no objection to people using Micro$oft products, but, please, > let's try and see it for what it is. (And "pretty good" it ain't...:) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Word to the wise: "Linux" != "Unix" > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Sat May 6 01:58:29 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:58:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Yeah, you are right, they pretty much suck, I guess that's why they are the industry standard. Get over itl, if they sucked as much as you claim, they wouldn't sell no matter how good their marketing was. It must really hurt you to admit that. John >Micro$oft may be wildly successful, but they definitely don't make >"pretty good products." >Cheers, >Paul. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat May 6 03:20:26 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 09:20:26 +0200 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: Hello, Just to let know that my copy of The Business Trip has the first record black vinyl and the second one in clear vinyl.The album was sealed when I bought it.Has anyone else also one like this? Or is this just a one off mistake? best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: Business Trips etc > Tim Gadd writes: > > > Could someone explain to me whether there is a difference in tracklists > > between the two versions of 'The Business Trip' which an online store has > > advertised? > > > > One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the > > 'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no label > > details. > From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sat May 6 04:34:07 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:34:07 EDT Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: Bad News I'm afraid....my Buis Trip copy is exactly the same as yours Filip....I thought it was unique also.....I do have a copy of Sonic attack album which has the first side pressed on both sides of the vinyl though...Anyone know any history to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? Al From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat May 6 04:49:33 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 03:49:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: > I do have a copy of Sonic attack > album which has the first side pressed on both sides of the vinyl > though...Anyone know any history to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? > Al Mine is the same way. I think there were many like this. From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 6 05:04:40 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:04:40 +0300 Subject: HW:MM Message-ID: Hi! If everyone is interested, first three book of Moorcock?s The Dancers at the End of Time is now available in finnish. Good for me of cource. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat May 6 05:43:51 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 05:43:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: In a message dated 5/6/00 1:54:47 AM, JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET writes: << Get over itl, ***if they sucked as much as you claim, they wouldn't sell no matter how good their marketing was***. It must really hurt you to admit that. >> ======= *** i'm here to claim that mcdonald's food >>sucks.<< and yet.... -_- top o' the mo'nin' to y'all! "<>" From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 6 08:01:47 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:01:47 +0300 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: >Hello, > >Just to let know that my copy of The Business Trip has the first record >black vinyl and the second one in clear vinyl.The album was sealed when >I bought it.Has anyone else also one like this? >Or is this just a one off mistake? Well, I have both black and clear, so I have two like this. ;-)))) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat May 6 11:07:14 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:07:14 -0400 Subject: BOC Live CD-R tree Message-ID: Hi Well I have a problem I need to be bailed out on. Hard drive crash at work has lost all the information as to my role as a "branch" I dont have any record of who I am supposed to send the CDR's to so I can then turn around and make my "leaves". George if you are on this list I did get your blanks. You can see my predicament from the above paragraph. Please respond off list to this. Thanks Mike From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 6 12:30:11 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:30:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <6d.371163d.264532ff@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I had one of those too. For some stupid reason, I went and sold it because I couldn't afford to buy another copy of the album! Mark In message <6d.371163d.264532ff at aol.com>, Al Ogilvy writes >I do have a copy of Sonic attack >album which has the first side pressed on both sides of the vinyl >though...Anyone know any history to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? > Al From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat May 6 15:37:22 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:37:22 -0400 Subject: Join Me Message-ID: Hello everyone, I invite you all to join me at a rally to save the bears of New Jersey. The rally is being sponsored by the New Jersey Animal Rights Alliance (NJARA) and will take place on the State House Steps of the Capital Complex in Trenton Monday May22nd between 11:00AM-1:00PM. The New Jersey Fish and Game Commision recently announced their desire to kill 350 bears during a three part hunt which will begin on September 16th of this year. It is not my intention to thrust my own political views upon anyone who reads this note. Suffice it to say that I am only offering my opinion and an invitation to those of like minds. To really evaluate the situation in an educated way visit the NJARA's "Save The Bears", subsite at: www.savenjbears.com Click on the picture of Samantha and proceed from there... Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat May 6 16:25:41 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 16:25:41 -0400 Subject: Another HW release thingy (was Re: HW: Business Trips etc) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I bought Warrior on the Edge (ot), it had a disk (identical of course) in each sleeve of the foldout. Thinking it was originally intended to be a double album and I was shorted, I went back to the store. They opened another one, wanting to take my "double" album back. When I realized I had a "Bonus" disk instead, I high-tailed it out of there fast. This must have happened in the middle of a production run switchover. The sleeves (which have text and pictures) are different in texture. One is glossy, and the other is flat/matte. Interesting. Another trivia one for ya. (don't go gaga Kollectors, feeling you have to have the glossy and flat/matte versions ;) From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat May 6 17:04:16 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:04:16 +0200 Subject: Another HW release thingy (was Re: HW: Business Trips etc) Message-ID: I have the same glossy and flat/matte versions with Hall Of The Mountain Grill Even have a USA Hall Of The Mountain Grill still sealed (must be some 25 years old) Also have a French Space Ritual with labels mispressed,side 2 is side 3 etc. greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: dhuggins To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: Another HW release thingy (was Re: HW: Business Trips etc) > When I bought Warrior on the Edge (ot), it had a disk (identical of > course) in each sleeve of the foldout. Thinking it was originally intended > to be a double album and I was shorted, I went back to the store. They > opened another one, wanting to take my "double" album back. When I > realized I had a "Bonus" disk instead, I high-tailed it out of there fast. > > This must have happened in the middle of a production run switchover. The > sleeves (which have text and pictures) are different in texture. One is > glossy, and the other is flat/matte. Interesting. Another trivia one for ya. > > (don't go gaga Kollectors, feeling you have to have the glossy and > flat/matte versions ;) From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat May 6 17:46:40 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:46:40 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000505182818.0099eb40@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 02:28 06/05/00 , Doug Pearson wrote: >Although Huw had some fine moments >as a melodic lead guitarist ("Motorway City" and "The Island" being >standouts), I was never very much into his overall sound and most of his >solos. However, almost every song he wrote for Hawkwind was great. I hold the reverse view. There are only one or two of Huw (& Marion)'s songs that I like. Moonglum is superb, but that's mainly for the guitar part -- the intro alone is excellent! Dragons And Fables I like. Some of his instrumental's are fine, but the other songs do nothing for me. Dreaming City, Waiting For Tomorrow, Sea King, Rocky Paths, and Solitary Mind Games are just gaps between the decent stuff. I can't say the the 79-89 period holds much HW output that I really like, but where it does work (TIH:DNP, LC, some of XC), Huw's sound is a key part of it. Dave. From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 6 17:57:03 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:57:03 GMT Subject: BOC Live CD-R tree - how does it work? Message-ID: someone please, please explain what I need to do to join the tree, and what exactly do I do once I join. blank CDs on the shelf for weeks now.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun May 7 00:52:46 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:52:46 -0700 Subject: HW Space-rock bitz 'n' pieces Message-ID: Good evening......here is the news: May is a busy old month here in the UK, with Gong now joined by ex-Zorch synth man Gwyo at London's Hammersmith Palais on 7th, Ace Of Spades (Alan Davey's Motorhead Tribute Band) in Leicester on 6th and Crewe on 11th, Spacehead and Harvey Bainbridge concert in Buxton on May 12th, Alan Davey's Bedouin and Spacehead's Mr Dibs with Harvey Bainbridge in Rye near Hastings on the 13th, plus Krel's electronic alter-ego playing for free at Sainsburys Superstore, Stafford on 27th, with our electronic faves here at Dead Earnest towers, In The Nursery, playing rare gigs at Sheffield on 25th and London Astoria on 28th - who sez the Americans have all the gigs? Anyone know why, apart from the obvious, that Voiceprint have changed the back cover artwork on the UK issue of 'In Your Area' and, on that subject, why on earth are there two different covers to Cleopatra's issue of Nik Turner's 'Space Ritual' double CD? I never noticed this until the other day but the front cover and one of the insert's frames are different on the issues we have here yet are completely identical in every other way - any clues anyone? In the tape cupboard the other night I found a CD labelled 'Sphinx Demos 1978' but it sure as hell ain't Tuerner's mob - at least it sounds nothing like them - anyone know of another group called Sphinx from around that time - if so, who on earth were they? See 'ya round, Andy G'b. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat May 6 19:51:52 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:51:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <000b01bfb71e$201963e0$6228fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: => That's real funny, as a network administrator, I use all three systems, and => MS is the one that's best for use of use and doesn't crash with bugs. All => are open to security problems. Comments like yours makes me wonder what => experience you base it on. I am a administrator on a 1200 computer network => running 4 different OS's, I think I have some experience on how much MS => "sucks". You know, all that gubbins up there would be a lot more impressive if it weren't so vague. But, I guess somebody who uses "all three systems" (which three??) on a "1200 computer network running 4 different OS's" (which four, and are any of them Micro$oft OS's?) must know everything, and everybody else's experience must count for little. But wait a minute! I just realised, *I* am an administrator on a multi-thousand computer network running at least 12 different OS's, so maybe *my* experience might not entirely be discounted? => I think there is a lot of sour grapes and people who run other => OS's on a few boxes and base all their "experience on how well it works on => their "big" network. (Yes, we get the point already: your dick is bigger than ours.) Actually, I think individual user experience is a better yardstick than how smoothly a big network of machines runs, because of the fewer points of control. (You will have less variance on the big network, especially with fascist admin.) But, hey, maybe you're on to something, and it's only when you amass Windoze boxes into huge M$-Borg like assemblies that they finally become reliable. Prepare to be assimilated! ("Nobody has complained... yet.") => If MS sucks so bad then why isn't everyone rushing to => buy something else? Oh yeah, the MS police force you to use MS, I forgot! Well, the M$-Police would have to become M$-Miracle Workers to be able to "force me to use MS"---unless, that is, they decided to port Windoze to the MIPS R3000 CPU. (Do you think you could put in a good word for me?) In the meanwhile, I'll be sure to remind my friends and colleagues that I have it on expert authority that Micro$oft is actually not the steaming pile they believe it to be, and that the next time it crashes, that crash is simply a figment of their imagination. "I got my mind right, boss." Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Sat May 6 20:33:28 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:33:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: That would be NT,95, Unix, Linux and oh MACs if you want to count them. Sorry I don't have time to rant in detail like you do, I have more important stuff to do. My email got exactly the response I expected from MS haters. Reminds me of how MAC users whine at how MS is the dominating OS now. I'm sure the "better" systems you use will soon take over. Funny, many computer people I know think Unix, Linux and MAC's are steaming piles. I'll let them know that based on your expert authority and bigger dick that they are wrong. I admit MS isn't the best at every thing, just that they pretty good products and stand by my assertion that they don't suck as much as you say, if they did, they wouldn't be where they are now. They didn't invent many of the products they push, only made them better, but Ford didn't invent the automobile either and they make a pretty good car. The blanket statement that you make that everything MS puts out sucks shows how closed mind and biased you are. I bow to your bigger dick, better OS, (what was the name of your great system again?)and humbly await the time when it takes over the computing world. I'll probably have a long wait. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > On Fri, 5 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > > => That's real funny, as a network administrator, I use all three systems, and > => MS is the one that's best for use of use and doesn't crash with bugs. All > => are open to security problems. Comments like yours makes me wonder what > => experience you base it on. I am a administrator on a 1200 computer network > => running 4 different OS's, I think I have some experience on how much MS > => "sucks". > > You know, all that gubbins up there would be a lot more impressive if it > weren't so vague. But, I guess somebody who uses "all three systems" > (which three??) on a "1200 computer network running 4 different OS's" > (which four, and are any of them Micro$oft OS's?) must know everything, > and everybody else's experience must count for little. > > But wait a minute! I just realised, *I* am an administrator on a > multi-thousand computer network running at least 12 different OS's, so > maybe *my* experience might not entirely be discounted? > > => I think there is a lot of sour grapes and people who run other > => OS's on a few boxes and base all their "experience on how well it works on > => their "big" network. > > (Yes, we get the point already: your dick is bigger than ours.) > > Actually, I think individual user experience is a better yardstick > than how smoothly a big network of machines runs, because of the fewer > points of control. (You will have less variance on the big network, > especially with fascist admin.) > > But, hey, maybe you're on to something, and it's only when you amass > Windoze boxes into huge M$-Borg like assemblies that they finally become > reliable. Prepare to be assimilated! ("Nobody has complained... yet.") > > => If MS sucks so bad then why isn't everyone rushing to > => buy something else? Oh yeah, the MS police force you to use MS, I forgot! > > Well, the M$-Police would have to become M$-Miracle Workers to be able > to "force me to use MS"---unless, that is, they decided to port Windoze > to the MIPS R3000 CPU. (Do you think you could put in a good word for > me?) > > In the meanwhile, I'll be sure to remind my friends and colleagues that > I have it on expert authority that Micro$oft is actually not the > steaming pile they believe it to be, and that the next time it crashes, > that crash is simply a figment of their imagination. > > "I got my mind right, boss." > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat May 6 22:19:54 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:19:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <001501bfb7bb$deddabe0$b947fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: => That would be NT,95, Unix, Linux and oh MACs if you want to count them. => Sorry I don't have time to rant in detail like you do, I have more important => stuff to do. Obviously, actually *reading* the messages you respond to is not one of the things you consider important either. But, despite your assertion you have "more important stuff to do," you spewed: => My email got exactly the response I expected from MS haters. Reminds me of => how MAC users whine at how MS is the dominating OS now. I'm sure the => "better" systems you use will soon take over. Funny, many computer people I => know think Unix, Linux and MAC's are steaming piles. I'll let them know => that based on your expert authority and bigger dick that they are wrong. I => admit MS isn't the best at every thing, just that they pretty good products => and stand by my assertion that they don't suck as much as you say, if they => did, they wouldn't be where they are now. They didn't invent many of the => products they push, only made them better, but Ford didn't invent the => automobile either and they make a pretty good car. The blanket statement => that you make that everything MS puts out sucks shows how closed mind and => biased you are. I => bow to your bigger dick, better OS, (what was the name of your great system => again?)and humbly await the time when it takes over the computing world. => I'll probably have a long wait. Go back to school and learn to read. Better yet, learn to comprehend. You were the one who tried to impress everyone with your big-time network administrator credentials. Ooooh. Aaaah. Sorry, try harder. *I* wasn't the one who cavalierly dismissed the experience of everyone else, and claimed they just had "sour grapes." I just made the misfortune of relating personal and first-hand experience of Micro$oft products. I don't waste my time hating Micro$oft. (Thank you for labelling me a "M$ Hater." I guess it's always easier to deal with someone when you put a label on them.) It's not worth it. In fact, I feel sorry for those I know who have to use Windoze on a daily basis, for they are always lamenting it. If you like it, I'm happy for you. Just don't act like it's some kind of thought crime to think badly of Micro$oft. It isn't (yet?). I seem to recall it was *you* who kicked over this whole can of worms in the first place by remonstrating with people on here not to call poor Billy Gates and his pals in Redmond names, and we should stop being so awful about poor Micro$oft's current misfortunes. Tell it to the 6 o'clock news. Tell them to pretend ILOVEYOU didn't happen, and didn't disrupt thousands of computers and cause the deletions of many many files. (I will pretend that story didn't run in today's paper, too.) Hey, maybe if we all think hard enough, reality will change around us? Please show me where I said that "everything MS puts out sucks." In fact, I've never used the word "sucks;" I hate that word. (I believe "blow chunks" was my chosen phrase.:) Micro$oft products are, on the whole, inferior (and in some cases---e.g., Windoze---are grossly so), but even I am not so stupid as to make a blanket statement that *everything* they put out is unmitigated pap. Hey, you don't spend a ton of money buying up Turing Award winners like cheap whores and not get anything for your money. (And the law of averages says that something good will eventually slip through the net.) As for your tired logic of "if Micro$oft was bad, it wouldn't be where it is today," let me remind you that the old adage used to be "Nobody got fired for buying IBM." The new adage is "Nobody gets fired for buying Micro$oft." It's not because it's the best, but it's because it's what everyone uses. Do a bit of reading on evolutionary theory. Alternatively, consider this: "if Britney Spears made bad music, she wouldn't be where she is today; I mean, tons of people love her, and she sells oodles of records, so she must be great." Whilst I'm sure, on some level, the music of Britney Spears can be considered "adequate," it is far from what many would call the state of the art. Micro$oft is the Britney Spears of computing. Cheers, Paul. PS: The "best" (as you put it) does not always win. But, as Hawkwind and BOC fans, we are used to that... e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat May 6 22:39:35 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:39:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: reviews and sides Message-ID: > >I THINK THAT WAS OUT OF tune!" Albert Bouchard, the original drummer for Blue Oyster Cult, isn't thrilled with the guitar overdub he's just done. He's playing on the thundering cover of BOC's "Dominance and Submission" slated for Mike Watt's >upcoming first solo album, Ball-hog or Tugboat? The former bass player with the seminal postpunk bands the Minutemen and fIREHOSE has corralled a stellar guest list of underground legends for his LP. Today, Watt is trapped in Baby Monster Studios, a tiny space in a graffiti-covered building on Manhattan's West 14th Street. > >"That doesn't bother you?" asks John Hanlon, the album's recording engineer. "No way!" Watt exclaims. "What's the difference, anyway?" Watt is still a punk at 36; he resembles an indie-rock military commander in his Army greens, crew cut, clunky glasses and Converse low tops. >RECORDINGS > * * * > CULT CLASSIC > Blue Oyster Cult > Herald > * * * > EPONYMOUS > The Brain Surgeons > Cellsum/Ripe and Ready > >The supposed sonic supremacy of compact discs apparently warps musicians' brains like vinyl LPs in the sun. Case in point: Blue Oyster Cult's Cult Classic. Classic collects new versions of BOC hits, rerecorded note for note using state-of-the-art digital technology. > >Comparing Classic's reheated leftovers with the originals produces a puzzling "Why?" in the listener's mind. As innovators of '70s heavy-metal thunder, BOC captured their pivotal recordings in full analog glory. While analog recording results in more hiss and noise than its more sanitary electronic counterpart, it creates a warmer, fatter sound that artists from Lenny Kravitz to the Black >Crowes continue to emulate Indeed, Classic suffers from thinner drum and slightly dehydrated guitar sounds. > >Still, that doesn't entirely diminish the. appeal of these songs. At their best, BOG create distinctive hard rock that betrays a bitter core, couching perverse, apocalyptic lyrics in deceptively catchy compositions. The band's Top 20 paean to suicide, "(Don't Fear) The Reaper," sounds as good as or better than it did in 1976: Its irresistible minor-chord guitar hook sinks its fangs deep into the >classic-rock consciousness, and the macabre subject matter makes current retro acts like Spin Doctors appear as tame as Disneyland. (Comprehending their Freedom Rock appeal, BOC also include "TV mixes" of "Godzilla" and "[Don't Fear] The >Reaper" without lead vocals so fans can sing along) On "Burnin' for You," disembodied choral harmonies and twin guitar leads forge a darkly plaintive arena crunch. Undeniably, however, the "improved" version of "Godzilla" begets nostalgia for the definitive performance on 1978's live Some Enchanted Evening. > >As the Brain Surgeons, ex-BOC drummer Albert Bouchard and his wife, noted rock scribe Deborah Frost, also embrace digital recording, using a DAT machine to assemble their DIY debut Eponymous in their living room. While some of the album's songs were written with former BOC collaborators Patti Smith and Richard Meltzer, Bouchard and Frost stake out their own musical turf, moving convincingly from the New Wave jangle of "Language of Love" to balls-out rockers like "Time Will Take Care of You." > >Eponymous falters on dated '80s electro-funk like "Brain From Terra Incognita" (which isn't helped by Bouchard's near-rap vocalese), and the bass sounds synthetically sterile throughout The Surgeons better demonstrate their idiosyncrasy on odd cover choices. The weirdo surfabilly of the Del Lords' "I Play the Drums" showcases Bouchard's gruff rasp, and Frost pleasantly toys >with sexual ambiguity when she sings, "I told her I was a flop with chicks" on an appealing a cappella rendition of the Clovers' >"Love Potion No. 9." Eponymous' revelation turns out to be Frost's voice, a technically proicient yet passionately raw instrument. >Moving from virtuoso Robert Plant shrieks to breathy Patti Smith-style confessionals, Frost refutes the old adage that disgruntled >musicians hurl at rock critics. "Those who can't do, write." > >`THEY'RE PLAYING MY SONG' > >Recording in Woodstock, N.Y., and mixing at Manhattan's Electric Ladyland, the members of Gumball were steeped in a heavy '60s vibe as they made their new "Revolution On Ice" album on Columbia Records. Reflecting on the fact that much of that era's "subversive" spirit has now been watered down into commercial jingles, the band decided to include a cover of the Richard Meltzer,Albert Bouchard, and Allen Lanier-penned "She Is As Beautiful As A Foot," a prepunk classic from Blue Oyster Cult's seminal 1973 debut that was one of the bank's early inspirations. > SHE IS AS BEAUTIFUL AS A FOOT > Published by B. O.'Cult Songs Inc. > (ASCAP) >"Blue Oyster Cult was the third band that I ever got into," says Gumball singer/guitarist/co-producer Don Fleming. "The Beatles were first, then there was the Rex. That first Blue Oyster Cult album was truly mind-boggling for me at the time, and 'She Is As Beautiful As A Foot' has always been one of my favorite songs. It was through that band that I discovered what was then the New >York underground--Richard Meltzer, Patti Smith, Lenny Kaye, Lester Bangs. I ended up learning a lot about music just by lucking >into that album. I wanted to remember what got me into this in the first place. I can still listen to that song, and it still makes me feel >glad to be making music. It was an added bonus that we got [original Blue Oyster Cult drummer] Al Bouchard to sing background vocals on the song. None of us could quite hit it right, so we decided to invite Al to do it while we were mixing at Electric Ladyland. >He told us a great story about the very room we were mixing in. Years before Hendrix built the studio there, it was a club, and Blue Oyster Cult were playing a gig there as Chuck Berry's backing band. they stayed late and did a little jamming, and somebody said, 'Do you mind if we have a go on your equipment?' It was Jimi Hendrix. So it was so cool to be mixing in that room. That was >our payoff. It was like, 'Wow, we're a part of this song now.'" > From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Sat May 6 23:29:28 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:29:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: Another rant? Get a life! And I was not trying to impress anyone, just show I was not a casual user with no basis for my opinion. I have used numerous OS's in my job. MS applications happen to work. All I was trying to say at the beginning of this was that just because a virus is successful against a particular program, doesn't mean that the program or every product the company makes "blow chunks" as you say. A virus can be directed at any system or program, MS is just a large target, much like terrorists attacking the US or Americans, it gets press. And I don't recall MS ever claiming their products are invulnerable to a virus. I know that there are people on this list who will never change their opinion of MS just like they will swear everything released by HW is great. I didn't expect to convert you. But at least I am open to seeing the value of a product whether I like the company who makes it or not. You, apparently, are not able to. And just because Brittany Spears sells more records than HW doesn't make her a bad singer, just not my style. Particularly touchy on this subject aren't you? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > On Sat, 6 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > > => That would be NT,95, Unix, Linux and oh MACs if you want to count them. > => Sorry I don't have time to rant in detail like you do, I have more important > => stuff to do. > > Obviously, actually *reading* the messages you respond to is not one of > the things you consider important either. > > But, despite your assertion you have "more important stuff to do," you > spewed: > > => My email got exactly the response I expected from MS haters. Reminds me of > => how MAC users whine at how MS is the dominating OS now. I'm sure the > => "better" systems you use will soon take over. Funny, many computer people I > => know think Unix, Linux and MAC's are steaming piles. I'll let them know > => that based on your expert authority and bigger dick that they are wrong. I > => admit MS isn't the best at every thing, just that they pretty good products > => and stand by my assertion that they don't suck as much as you say, if they > => did, they wouldn't be where they are now. They didn't invent many of the > => products they push, only made them better, but Ford didn't invent the > => automobile either and they make a pretty good car. The blanket statement > => that you make that everything MS puts out sucks shows how closed mind and > => biased you are. I > => bow to your bigger dick, better OS, (what was the name of your great system > => again?)and humbly await the time when it takes over the computing world. > => I'll probably have a long wait. > > Go back to school and learn to read. Better yet, learn to comprehend. > You were the one who tried to impress everyone with your big-time > network administrator credentials. Ooooh. Aaaah. Sorry, try harder. > *I* wasn't the one who cavalierly dismissed the experience of everyone > else, and claimed they just had "sour grapes." I just made the > misfortune of relating personal and first-hand experience of Micro$oft > products. > > I don't waste my time hating Micro$oft. (Thank you for labelling me a > "M$ Hater." I guess it's always easier to deal with someone when you > put a label on them.) It's not worth it. In fact, I feel sorry for > those I know who have to use Windoze on a daily basis, for they are > always lamenting it. If you like it, I'm happy for you. Just don't act > like it's some kind of thought crime to think badly of Micro$oft. It > isn't (yet?). > > I seem to recall it was *you* who kicked over this whole can of worms in > the first place by remonstrating with people on here not to call poor > Billy Gates and his pals in Redmond names, and we should stop being so > awful about poor Micro$oft's current misfortunes. Tell it to the 6 > o'clock news. Tell them to pretend ILOVEYOU didn't happen, and didn't > disrupt thousands of computers and cause the deletions of many many > files. (I will pretend that story didn't run in today's paper, too.) > Hey, maybe if we all think hard enough, reality will change around us? > > Please show me where I said that "everything MS puts out sucks." In > fact, I've never used the word "sucks;" I hate that word. (I believe > "blow chunks" was my chosen phrase.:) Micro$oft products are, on the > whole, inferior (and in some cases---e.g., Windoze---are grossly so), > but even I am not so stupid as to make a blanket statement that > *everything* they put out is unmitigated pap. Hey, you don't spend a > ton of money buying up Turing Award winners like cheap whores and not > get anything for your money. (And the law of averages says that > something good will eventually slip through the net.) > > As for your tired logic of "if Micro$oft was bad, it wouldn't be where > it is today," let me remind you that the old adage used to be "Nobody > got fired for buying IBM." The new adage is "Nobody gets fired for > buying Micro$oft." It's not because it's the best, but it's because > it's what everyone uses. Do a bit of reading on evolutionary theory. > Alternatively, consider this: "if Britney Spears made bad music, she > wouldn't be where she is today; I mean, tons of people love her, and she > sells oodles of records, so she must be great." Whilst I'm sure, on > some level, the music of Britney Spears can be considered "adequate," it > is far from what many would call the state of the art. > > Micro$oft is the Britney Spears of computing. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: The "best" (as you put it) does not always win. But, as Hawkwind > and BOC fans, we are used to that... > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Sat May 6 23:36:31 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:36:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? Message-ID: You're in luck. I found the guys address. Give me your email address and I will send it to you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? Hello John, Although I have a few of those flexis and postcards,wouldn't mind his adress though. I agree $20 is too much,a friend of me once paid ?25 for 1 polish postcard in London ! I have a German contact who askes about ?4 a piece for Polish postcards. He hasn't got the Russian flexis. greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN M GRAY To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:39 AM Subject: HW: Re: HW: Flexi? > Well, > > Although late I will add my 2 cents worth. Back in 94 I found a source for > Russian HW flexis, 8 or so tracks, each in 1-3 colors, for about $5.00 each. > I continued to by them from my "contact" in Poland until I decided I was > single-handedly keeping their flexi operation going. They are nice > curiosities however and I'm glad I picked up a few (okay more than a few). > He also sold me some Polish postcards with HW tracks, actual postcards of I > assume famous Polish persons, plus some scenery. Totally different than > the Polish postcards from the 70's, of which I have a couple. They are on > hard yellow plastic, not really a postcard at all, just close in size. > > My opinion is that if you find someone selling them they will make as many > as you can afford to buy, and $20 each is way way too much. If someone is > really interested I could probably come up with the guys address, 5 years > old of course. > > John From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun May 7 00:45:39 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:45:39 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <000f01bfb7d4$79d95820$b947fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: Hello Paul and John--- The respective e-mail addresses you need are JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET and paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU. And NOT BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU. To put it another way: Please take this diatribe offline. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of JOHN M GRAY > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:29 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > > > Another rant? Get a life! And I was not trying to impress > anyone, just show > I was not a casual user with no basis for my opinion. I have > used numerous > OS's in my job. MS applications happen to work. All I was > trying to say at > the beginning of this was that just because a virus is successful > against a > particular program, doesn't mean that the program or every product the > company makes "blow chunks" as you say. A virus can be directed at any > system or program, MS is just a large target, much like > terrorists attacking > the US or Americans, it gets press. And I don't recall MS ever claiming > their products are invulnerable to a virus. I know that there are people > on this list who will never change their opinion of MS just like they will > swear everything released by HW is great. I didn't expect to convert you. > But at least I am open to seeing the value of a product whether I like the > company who makes it or not. You, apparently, are not able to. And just > because Brittany Spears sells more records than HW doesn't make her a bad > singer, just not my style. Particularly touchy on this subject > aren't you? > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mather > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > > > > On Sat, 6 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > > > > => That would be NT,95, Unix, Linux and oh MACs if you want to > count them. > > => Sorry I don't have time to rant in detail like you do, I have more > important > > => stuff to do. > > > > Obviously, actually *reading* the messages you respond to is not one of > > the things you consider important either. > > > > But, despite your assertion you have "more important stuff to do," you > > spewed: > > > > => My email got exactly the response I expected from MS haters. Reminds > me of > > => how MAC users whine at how MS is the dominating OS now. I'm sure the > > => "better" systems you use will soon take over. Funny, many computer > people I > > => know think Unix, Linux and MAC's are steaming piles. I'll let them > know > > => that based on your expert authority and bigger dick that they are > wrong. I > > => admit MS isn't the best at every thing, just that they pretty good > products > > => and stand by my assertion that they don't suck as much as you say, if > they > > => did, they wouldn't be where they are now. They didn't > invent many of > the > > => products they push, only made them better, but Ford didn't invent the > > => automobile either and they make a pretty good car. The blanket > statement > > => that you make that everything MS puts out sucks shows how closed mind > and > > => biased you are. I > > => bow to your bigger dick, better OS, (what was the name of your great > system > > => again?)and humbly await the time when it takes over the computing > world. > > => I'll probably have a long wait. > > > > Go back to school and learn to read. Better yet, learn to comprehend. > > You were the one who tried to impress everyone with your big-time > > network administrator credentials. Ooooh. Aaaah. Sorry, try harder. > > *I* wasn't the one who cavalierly dismissed the experience of everyone > > else, and claimed they just had "sour grapes." I just made the > > misfortune of relating personal and first-hand experience of Micro$oft > > products. > > > > I don't waste my time hating Micro$oft. (Thank you for labelling me a > > "M$ Hater." I guess it's always easier to deal with someone when you > > put a label on them.) It's not worth it. In fact, I feel sorry for > > those I know who have to use Windoze on a daily basis, for they are > > always lamenting it. If you like it, I'm happy for you. Just don't act > > like it's some kind of thought crime to think badly of Micro$oft. It > > isn't (yet?). > > > > I seem to recall it was *you* who kicked over this whole can of worms in > > the first place by remonstrating with people on here not to call poor > > Billy Gates and his pals in Redmond names, and we should stop being so > > awful about poor Micro$oft's current misfortunes. Tell it to the 6 > > o'clock news. Tell them to pretend ILOVEYOU didn't happen, and didn't > > disrupt thousands of computers and cause the deletions of many many > > files. (I will pretend that story didn't run in today's paper, too.) > > Hey, maybe if we all think hard enough, reality will change around us? > > > > Please show me where I said that "everything MS puts out sucks." In > > fact, I've never used the word "sucks;" I hate that word. (I believe > > "blow chunks" was my chosen phrase.:) Micro$oft products are, on the > > whole, inferior (and in some cases---e.g., Windoze---are grossly so), > > but even I am not so stupid as to make a blanket statement that > > *everything* they put out is unmitigated pap. Hey, you don't spend a > > ton of money buying up Turing Award winners like cheap whores and not > > get anything for your money. (And the law of averages says that > > something good will eventually slip through the net.) > > > > As for your tired logic of "if Micro$oft was bad, it wouldn't be where > > it is today," let me remind you that the old adage used to be "Nobody > > got fired for buying IBM." The new adage is "Nobody gets fired for > > buying Micro$oft." It's not because it's the best, but it's because > > it's what everyone uses. Do a bit of reading on evolutionary theory. > > Alternatively, consider this: "if Britney Spears made bad music, she > > wouldn't be where she is today; I mean, tons of people love her, and she > > sells oodles of records, so she must be great." Whilst I'm sure, on > > some level, the music of Britney Spears can be considered "adequate," it > > is far from what many would call the state of the art. > > > > Micro$oft is the Britney Spears of computing. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > PS: The "best" (as you put it) does not always win. But, as Hawkwind > > and BOC fans, we are used to that... > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun May 7 01:12:41 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:12:41 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <000201bfb7df$17ef1e00$36730918@KevinSommers.chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: Actually, I guess that should've been "duotribe." And I only say this because I'm the imaginary admin for a fake network of 6.7 trillion computers, all running constantly mutating variants of CP/M. And my dick is 83 miles long, although only 6 inches of it can appear in this portion of the multiverse at any given time,,,,,,,,, Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kevin Sommers > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:46 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) > > > Hello Paul and John--- > The respective e-mail addresses you need are JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET and > paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU. And NOT BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU. > To put it another way: Please take this diatribe offline. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > http://members.home.net/novadrive/ > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun May 7 01:22:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 01:22:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <000f01bfb7d4$79d95820$b947fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 May 2000, JOHN M GRAY wrote: => Another rant? Get a life! Okay, will do as instructed. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Sun May 7 01:32:42 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:32:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: >Get over itl, if they sucked as much as you claim, they >wouldn't sell no matter how good their marketing was. *laughs* This is hilarious. The world is _full_ of products that suck but sell. That's what marketing is all about in the first place ! What, you really think all those products you see in the ads on TV (or in magazines) are really as good as they claim to be ??? On a side note, I have a friend who uses Windows and _never_ had any problems... but I think we've figured that mystery out. He ONLY has MS programs installed. Everyone else I know who uses Win has crashes & all sorts of problems. But of course, they have non-MS products on their systems. Maybe John only uses MS programs on his Win systems... Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 6 17:14:39 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:14:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olde games In-Reply-To: <200005051525.QAA08393@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oh, I can't resist adding to this OT stuff... I could never get into Elite but Revs on the BBC was a different matter! My trusty BBC B+ is in store waiting for the day when I have enough space to set it up. Anyway, if you really want to wind back the tape, hands up who made ASCII patterned messages on paper tape punch machines? Or manually key in a boot strap using levers on an octal PDP 8/e? Or typed 71077345 on an LED calculator before turning the display upside down? Sadly, no one worked out how to spell "bugger off" that way but I'll bugger off for now... -- Mark Edmonds From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat May 6 23:07:06 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 04:07:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (boring) Message-ID: My Dick is bigger than both of yours, cos I'm in charge of the IT Director who's in charge of the network administrator of about 300 boxes (those squarish ones with the TVs on top). We had three systems LanManager, Novell (v?) and MS-NT. LanManager had to go! At first Novell was the favourite, but as MS got more bugs out and features in, the techies were flat out in favour of NT. Reliability very good. Biggest problem is when installing new s/ware - its a pain (but I think its because of the way we chose to set up). Incidentally we use Eudora for mail. I love you too xxxx T (Mega Dick) (ok - so you were talking about the PC OS, not the network OS, but hey! I wanted to play too........ anyway the PCs have NT mimicing Windoze dont they.... oh bugger it I did say I wasnt actually in charge of them) From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun May 7 10:20:50 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:20:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh no, not another site Message-ID: Having accumulated a fair few bits and pieces of HTML through the Zeitgest e-zine I decided to start putting all the lyrics and images into one place for those who can't be arsed wading through said Zeitgeist. I've started keeping everything at http://hawkwind.freeservers.com/index.html and I'll be adding at least one page of lyrics or images per week. Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have both versions Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Sun May 7 11:57:48 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:57:48 -0400 Subject: HW Space-rock bitz 'n' pieces Message-ID: I've got the same Sphynx tape,picked it up direct from Nik a million years ago along with a heap of ICU and a couple of tapes of the flute recordings from the pyramid and a live 'Sphynx' As you might imagine the incarnation of Sphynx on the demos is nothing like the Xitintoday line-up but Nik was using the same name. He's also a lot more in the background than he usually lets himself get with that female lead singer! Jeff From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun May 7 05:26:59 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:26:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: >hands up who typed 71077345 on an LED calculator before turning the display upside down?< Is that no longer considered cool? Oh shit. Now then, hands up all you completeists who are going to buy the UK In Your Area cos it has a different back cover! T From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun May 7 12:24:08 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:24:08 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000506223428.009b9840@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Interesting how people's mileage varies. To me, Huw was a vital part of that era's sound and when he left, I was devastated. I went to the St. Albans gig of the first tour without him and kept thinking "shit, where is Huw? How come he has gone?" Unfortunately, the atmosphere wasn't very good at that gig (there were some hecklers on the balcony who kept shouting "Hawkshit!") and I didn't really enjoy it. I made a diabolical ultra-crap tape of it (barely listenable) but when I listened to it a few months ago, the band actually put in a really good performance - very impressive in fact. BTW, I saw a gig list which had Bridgit listed in the personnel and I have absolutely no recollection of her being there that night. Mark In message <4.1.20000506223428.009b9840 at pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Berry writes >I hold the reverse view. There are only one or two of Huw (& Marion)'s songs >that I like. Moonglum is superb, but that's mainly for the guitar part -- the >intro alone is excellent! Dragons And Fables I like. Some of his >instrumental's are fine, but the other songs do nothing for me. Dreaming City, >Waiting For Tomorrow, Sea King, Rocky Paths, and Solitary Mind Games are just >gaps between the decent stuff. > >I can't say the the 79-89 period holds much HW output that I really like, but >where it does work (TIH:DNP, LC, some of XC), Huw's sound is a key part of it. > >Dave. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun May 7 12:34:13 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:34:13 +0100 Subject: Drummers (again)! Message-ID: Saw Carl Palmer at a drum demo in a shop in Glasgow in the early eighties. A good demo, one of my mates asks "what do you think of Hawkwind?", "are they still breathin'" is the response. A few comments followed on the general crappiness of ELP. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Serious technical difficulties during Danny's bass solo, they left him out there alone for bass solo and nothing happened... he got some bass (but not "monster" bass) and stalled for a good 5-10 minutes before they got that fixed, then he did some bass solo. Difficulties continued, they then went straight to drum solo, which finished, then the Rondinelli stood up, looked back, then sat down and started drumming more, did another solo, then a third. Then the rest came back out, technical difficulties apparently finished. Before the encore, Eric told the florida crowd, "we got time for one more song then we gotta fly on out of here to get back in time to watch the New York Knicks kick Miami's Ass.... Knicks in 5!" That drew a response... Miami up by 2 in the 4th as I write this... :) ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun May 7 15:05:20 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:05:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trip clear vinyl Message-ID: The story is that several hundreds (I forget just how many now) were run off on clear vinyl because the manufacturers had a stock of clear vinyl left that they wanted to get rid of. The rest were run off on black vinyl as normal. I suspect, however that there were more copies of one of the discs run off in clear vinyl than the other so that several covers were packaged with one clear and one black vinyl disc. jill ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: Business Trips etc > Hello, > > Just to let know that my copy of The Business Trip has the first record > black vinyl and the second one in clear vinyl.The album was sealed when > I bought it.Has anyone else also one like this? > Or is this just a one off mistake? > > best wishes > filip hawknut > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Business Trips etc > > > > Tim Gadd writes: > > > > > Could someone explain to me whether there is a difference in tracklists > > > between the two versions of 'The Business Trip' which an online store > has > > > advertised? > > > > > > One is listed as a digipack fold-out cardboard case, the other as the > > > 'special edition', and is marginally more expensive. Unfortunately no > label > > > details. > > > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sun May 7 15:56:24 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 05:56:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Lockheed 1999 Message-ID: I just thought I'd mention this for discographers, since all the HW discographies I've seen have Capt Lockheed listed as a 1988 release. The BGO CD I recently acquired has a 1999 release date, and a sticker saying 'Remastered from original master tapes. Additional sleevenotes. Faithfully restored artwork.' I have no idea if it differs in any respect from the 1988 release, as I've never seen/heard it, though, as I might have mentioned, it did seem to me that there was atleast one section of dialogue which I didn't recall from the vinyl, though I could easily be mistaken about that. It's an english pressing. The BGO Lucky Leif I acquired around the same time appears still to be from the 1987 run. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 7 22:18:48 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:18:48 -0700 Subject: HW: PXR 5 CD (read first) Message-ID: I have a spare PXR5 CD if anyone wants it. ben Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > At 18:54 27.04.2000 +0100, you wrote: > >The vinyl version of High Rise from PXR5 is on the "Spirit of the Age" > >Charisma years compilation CD I think (BP - is this right?) > > Sorry Ian, I do not have this CD > > Bernhard From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sun May 7 21:57:53 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:57:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 5/6/00 1:54:47 AM, JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET writes: > > << Get over itl, ***if they sucked as much as you claim, they > > wouldn't sell no matter how good their marketing was***. It must really hurt > > you to admit that. >> > ======= > *** i'm here to claim that mcdonald's food >>sucks.<< > even though I'm a vegetarian I make a point of going to McDonald's every few months to become re-acquainted with their "digestibles". Then I vomit the stuff out by the dumpster. I really consider my time in there a pleasant experience. It's reassuring to know how alienated you are from society. > > and yet.... -_- > > top o' the mo'nin' to y'all! > > "<>" From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon May 8 04:14:20 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:14:20 +0100 Subject: BOC: Review of _AoF_ in the Sunday Times Message-ID: The Sunday Times music column Crucial Cuts featured Agents of Fortune yesterday. A generally correct and positive review of both BOC's approach and the album, though it suggests AoF is the only one of the early albums on CD. Hmm. I was going to type the article in, but actually I can't be assed right now. ps: Framemaker stills rules ! Tim ObFilm: Gladiator ObGig: Dark Star norwich waterfront 7/5/00 From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Mon May 8 05:13:13 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:13:13 +0100 Subject: Moorcock/Calvert (again) In-Reply-To: <019301bfb846$6646ca00$c232883e@default> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000 18:04:33 +0100, you sent through the ether: >As for the MM/Calvert "thing", wasn't that due to Bob walking off with Mike's wife. Yes. -S. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 8 05:40:59 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:40:59 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Fri, 5 May 2000 18:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > I'm in 100% agreement on both counts. Although Huw had some fine moments > as a melodic lead guitarist ("Motorway City" and "The Island" being > standouts), I was never very much into his overall sound and most of his > solos. However, almost every song he wrote for Hawkwind was great. I'd > definitely add "Rocky Paths" to the list, as well as the 'Out and Intake' > version of "Waiting For Tomorrow" (with the nice flute on it). At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar or the loo. I kinda like the flute version too though. > -Doug FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 8 05:41:40 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:41:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: Filip Vanhuyse's message of Sat, 6 May 2000 09:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: Filip Vanhuyse writes: > Hello, > > Just to let know that my copy of The Business Trip has the first record > black vinyl and the second one in clear vinyl.The album was sealed when > I bought it.Has anyone else also one like this? > Or is this just a one off mistake? I have one like that, one with two black discs and one with two clear discs. FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon May 8 06:51:08 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 06:51:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: > - having a large and versatile collection of ascii art. > bonus points if you had ascii pornography. > [Hall, Russell J] Yeah! Ascii Pornography! Don't forget the x-rated printshop graphics - woo hoo! As for games - Lords of Conquest rules! Long live Defender of the Crown! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 8 07:35:55 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:35:55 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <200005080940.KAA26226@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar > or the loo. > "Coded Languages" surely? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 8 07:38:06 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:38:06 EDT Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <200005070532.XAA16869@spinnone.spinn.net> Message-ID: On 6 May 00, at 23:32, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > >Get over itl, if they sucked as much as you claim, they > >wouldn't sell no matter how good their marketing was. > > *laughs* This is hilarious. The world is _full_ of products that suck > but sell. Can you say Backstreet Boys, N Sync, Brittney Spears, Madonna, Adam Sandler movies--it's a long list! theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 8 07:43:57 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:43:57 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 8 May 2000 12:35:55 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar > > or the loo. > > > > "Coded Languages" surely? No. IIRC that was quite a favourite when the Masques album came out. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 8 07:58:15 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:58:15 +0100 Subject: Quark/Iron Dream 7" P/S spotted Message-ID: At www.rockofages.uk.com in the list of today's new stock there's a copy of the Quark/Iron Dream German single with pic sleeve available for 30 pounds. As that one is relatively rare, I though the kollectors might be interested. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 8 08:09:28 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:09:28 EDT Subject: BRAIN/BOC: interview w/ Deborah Frost In-Reply-To: <39133CB2.95CECD53@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 5 May 00, at 17:27, Albert Bouchard wrote: > "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > > > And I guess Albert told Buck exactly > > how to play all those great solos, right? Hard to believe that a > > guy that elsewhere in the article Deb desribes as very talented and > > bemoans the lack of recognition thereof, now is accused of being an > > unoriginal carion bird! > > Some comments, irregardless of how true they are, should not be said. > What we have here is someone trying to say something indirectly and > some people don't get it. If you're still confused, then read between > the lines. Well, my comments above, whether true or not, should not have been posted! I apologize to the list, and to Al and Deb in particular. Al's songwriting [and drumming] talent is above question, and it's a safe bet that he likely suggested many of the parts that the other band members played on BOC songs Al wrote. Of course, the actual execution of these parts were accomplished by said band members. I do maintain that BD's one of the greatest players in rock, and I feel compelled to rise to his defense. I don't know whether Al's accusing me of subtextual comments, but I can assure you that my motive was strictly to defend BD's ability as a musician. As for Deb's post, I think Helen Keller could read between the lines of that one! theo From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon May 8 09:54:45 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:54:45 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: Andy - that's just not fair!!!! Solitary Mind Games (with Nik on flute) was one of the highlights of the set (if not of the HW-decade!) Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] Sent: 08 May 2000 12:36 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar > or the loo. > "Coded Languages" surely? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon May 8 10:02:27 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:02:27 EDT Subject: HW: PXR 5 CD (read first) Message-ID: Ben, Sho' nuff. How much d'ya want for it? Joe Loehr From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Mon May 8 10:04:14 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:04:14 -0400 Subject: OFF:Dark Sun w Nik Message-ID: extracted from Sonic Bilby May newsletter, this is a very limited release LP on "Burnt Hippie Recordings" a new Danish label "DARK SUN - Ice Ritual Dark Sun are a Space Rock band from Finland. This is the bands 2nd full length release and was recorded live at the Tavastia Club in Helsinki on 4/7/99. Nik Turner, former flute, saxophone and vocalist for Hawkwind guests with the band for the complete recording of Hawkwind, ICU, and Bob Calvert numbers. This is a limited edition vinyl release of 300 numbered copies on 220 gram vinyl, including psychedelic artwork and two sided A4 insert. Track listing: Sonic Attack, Watching the grass Grow, Psychedelic Warlords, Kadu Flyer, Utopia 84?, D-Rider, The Right Stuff, Master of the Universe, Assault and Battery, The Golden Void, Brainstorm, Hassan I Sabha, Silver Machine" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 8 10:53:07 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:53:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000507145412.00810ae0@flite.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: => Show started late. Outdoor venue, near NASA, apparently some severe => radio interference. $5 to get in, cheap. I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and Nigel Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control tower bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 8 11:08:22 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:08:22 EDT Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 May 00, at 10:53, Paul Mather wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: > > => Show started late. Outdoor venue, near NASA, apparently some > severe => radio interference. $5 to get in, cheap. > > I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene > in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and > Nigel Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control > tower bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) > And the air force guy who's putting on the show calls the band 'Spinal Tarp...' theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon May 8 11:48:48 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:48:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:53 AM 5/8/00 -0400, you wrote: >On Sun, 7 May 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: > >=> Show started late. Outdoor venue, near NASA, apparently some severe >=> radio interference. $5 to get in, cheap. > >I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene >in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and Nigel >Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control tower >bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) Not to mention his guitar did that again at a later show.... We were talking about that while they were fiddling with it. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon May 8 12:26:03 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:26:03 +0100 Subject: Moorcock/Calvert (again) In-Reply-To: <019301bfb846$6646ca00$c232883e@default> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 May 2000, david hall wrote: > Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:04:33 +0100 > From: david hall > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Moorcock/Calvert (again) > > On the music side, Calvert wins. I've always found some of MM's input > to be, ahem, suspect. On the writing side MM wins by a mile. MM > generally agrees that some of his earlier stuff wasn't as well written > as he would have liked. The Jerry C. books were excellent, but, IMO > are now appear dated. The Dancers At The End Of Time, absolutely > top-hole old bean! After this his work was excellent, the Pyat books > are exceptional....IMO his best. Maybe because I'm interested in > history, politics, etc etc. Anyway if MM hadn't written Gloriana > perhaps I wouldn't have read Mervyn Peake' stuff, so thanks for that. > Hype was thin, very thin...and not very well written, a bit sad > really as I was really looking forward to it. The LP was better, but > not as good as Capt Lockheed, not as bad as Lucky L. tho'. Calvert wrote short things, and did it incomparably well. He was first and foremost a poet and a lyricist and the amount of compression he achieved in his wordsmithery is still quite amazing to me. I would find it very hard to full "unpack" `Robot' in the space of five pages. On the other hand, Moorcock has no difficulty with the full stretch novel, which Calvert didn't seem to do. Moorcock's poetry is never as compressed, but sometimes gets almost the same number of points for showcasing odd concepts. On the other hand, most of his songs have no real merit except for the lyrics unless they were written by Pete Pavli. That's how I see it anyway. Or Dave of course - I do quite like `Kings of Speed'. After I ventured the notion that Moorcock had only really become a great novelist quite recently, and four dozen people chimed on saying how the early Elric stuff was great, I went back and had a think, and I still don't agree, but I grant you they have an extremely compelling pace, and you can read them at the pace they want to run at largely because nothing is wasted on introspection, description or character development. They're great action novels I guess, but I think the later stuff is so much fuller. Elric is after all a man with the guilt of a nation on his shoulders, enslaved to a weapon which keeps him alive only by destroying everything about which he once cared, and he is forever denied the peace of having achieved his aim. But you have to assume all that, because there's no space given to it at all in the first saga - when the Dreaming City falls, there's not much more than paragraph about it and Cymoril's death is assimilated in a couple of lines. All this, to me, makes Elric a lack-lustre puppet to the storyline when there's clearly so much going on in his head that you never get to see, or even see affecting his actions. Admittedly, even in the later books when the matter is addressed he largely refuses to think about it but even that gives him more of a character than the ceaseless cut and thrust and occasional demon-summoning. So I guess what I'm saying is that Calvert would probably have covered everything I think Moorcock failed to write about Elric in three verses had he been so minded, but as long as it has to be books Moorcock has the plume, and I'm just glad the later Elrics and things like _Blood_ are part of his output otherwise I'd think of him as little more than a particularly visionary writer of sword-and-sorcery pulp fiction. But then there's the Steampunk stuff, which is cool. And some (though not all) of the Cornelius stuff. But you see what I'm saying. > As for the MM/Calvert "thing", wasn't that due to Bob walking off > with Mike's wife. He did it twice, didn't he? And the second in particular, Jill Calvert, doted on him, and for all his genius (because of it) Calvert must have been pure hell to live with. I can only assume a very odd story thereunder lurks. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon May 8 12:36:00 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:36:00 +0100 Subject: OFF:Dark Sun w Nik In-Reply-To: <200005081404.KAA09356@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, Jeff P wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:04:14 -0400 > From: Jeff P > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: OFF:Dark Sun w Nik > > extracted from Sonic Bilby May newsletter, this is a very limited release LP > on "Burnt Hippie Recordings" a new Danish label > > "DARK SUN - Ice Ritual > > Dark Sun are a Space Rock band from Finland. This is the bands 2nd full > length release and was recorded live at the Tavastia Club in Helsinki on > 4/7/99. Nik Turner, former flute, saxophone and vocalist for Hawkwind > guests with the band for the complete recording of Hawkwind, ICU, and Bob > Calvert numbers. This is a limited edition vinyl release of 300 numbered > copies on 220 gram vinyl, including psychedelic artwork and two sided A4 > insert. > > Track listing: Sonic Attack, Watching the grass Grow, Psychedelic > Warlords, Kadu Flyer, Utopia 84?, D-Rider, The Right Stuff, Master of the > Universe, Assault and Battery, The Golden Void, Brainstorm, Hassan I > Sabha, Silver Machine" Though I have nothing but admiration for his constant activity and think the rest of the Hawkwind camp could learn something from it, is there anyone else out there who thinks Nik could really use some new material? I'm partiucularly tired of his double-length `Sonic Attack'... I'm sure the Dark Sun versions will be fabulous - hell none of the versions of these songs I've heard have been _bad_ except Hawkwind ones, but it's always the same ones, except that `Opa Loka' appears to be missing and `The Right Stuff' is unexpected. Hell, he's one step away from a _Cult Classic_ with this stuff... 2pworth, yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 8 21:22:55 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:22:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Olde games Message-ID: Can anyone email me defender of the crown? please "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > > - having a large and versatile collection of ascii art. > > bonus points if you had ascii pornography. > > > [Hall, Russell J] Yeah! Ascii Pornography! Don't forget the > x-rated printshop graphics - woo hoo! > > As for games - Lords of Conquest rules! Long live Defender of the > Crown! From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 8 16:31:46 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:31:46 +0100 Subject: Bedouin and AoS gigs galore Message-ID: Take deep breath, here is Alan's latest gig list: May 7th Nighthawks, Swindon. Ace of Spades 11th Limelight, Crewe. 01270 251929. AoS 12th Zak's, Church Street, Wolverton, Milton Keynes.01908 315447. AoS 13th Community Centre, Rye, Sussex. 07899 676723. Bedouin 27th Axe and Cleaver, Boston.01205 367300. AoS 28th The Rigger, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 646602. Ace of Bedouin. 50/50 mix for bikers charity gig 31st The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 AoS June 10th Water Leisure Centre, Lydd. AoS 24th Railway Hotel, Foxhall Road, Ipswich. 01473 728700 AoS 29th Princess Charlotte Leicster. 0116 2553956 AoS July 1st The Twist, Military Road, Colchester. 01206 562453 AoS August 4th Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge.01384 390918. AoS 5th Scallys, Carlton Street, Westo Super Mare. 01934 412541 AoS 10th The Limelight, Crewe. 01270 251929. Bedouin 11th Scallys, Carlton Street, Westo Super Mare. 01934 412541 Bedouin 12th Bulldog Bash Bike Festival. Bedouin Sept 28th Running Horse, Nottingham.0115 9787398. Bedouin 30th now Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge. 01384 390918. All day 12:00pm to 12:00am event. Harvey Bainbridge set, Bedouin set, then a set with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson, Trev Toms. Also stalls/exhibitions. Oct 7th Army and Navy, Chelmsford. Bedouin 20th Zaks, Milton Keynes. Bedouin 27th Victoria Inn, Derby. AoS 28th Axe and Cleaver, Boston. AoS Nov 2nd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin 3rd The Rigger, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 646602. Bedouin 4th Uplands Tavern,Swansea.01792 458242. AoS 9th Alexander Jazz Theatre, Chester. Bedouin 10th The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 Bedouin 11th Rye Community Center, Rye. Bedouin 24th Axe and Cleaver, Boston. Bedouin 25th Running Horse, Nottingham. AoS Dec 1st Uplands Tavern,Swansea. 01792 458242. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon May 8 17:40:36 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:40:36 EDT Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: unfair !!...I liked coded languages...I actually used to look forward to it live. By the way.....can anyone out there provide a list of the gigs that "Living on a knife edge " was played at...I have a recollection that it was played at one of the Brixton gigs that Huw did, but that is disputed by one of my friends. Has it ever been played by a line up without Huw in ? I have fond memories of Gigs where Huw featured...I alwaysused to stand where I could get a good view of his playing....Some of his (Improvised ?) solos were amazing !...but I do agree about Solitary Mind Games though !!!!! definitely Bar Break time!!!! From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon May 8 17:52:22 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:52:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Bar Break Time? Message-ID: I cannot perceive taking a bar break or a trip to the urinal while HW are on stage. To see Huw with Hawkwind play Coded Languages or Living on a Knife Edge or anything else would require my total concentration and focus. My eyes technically might be closed, but I would be focused! Ah... to be British! Chris Al Ogilvy wrote: > unfair !!...I liked coded languages...I actually used to look forward to it > live. > By the way.....can anyone out there provide a list of the gigs that "Living > on a knife edge " was played at...I have a recollection that it was played at > one of the Brixton gigs that Huw did, but that is disputed by one of my > friends. Has it ever been played by a line up without Huw in ? > I have fond memories of Gigs where Huw featured...I alwaysused to stand > where I could get a good view of his playing....Some of his (Improvised ?) > solos were amazing !...but I do agree about Solitary Mind Games though !!!!! > definitely Bar Break time!!!! From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon May 8 18:09:40 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:09:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Bar Break Time? Message-ID: I remember hearing a tape a few years ago from 1981, The Glastonbury CND Festival. It was a great gig, if I remember correctly, great sound quality. I wish that would come out on CD at at some point. The Snapper Festival from that same year was also very good. I hear that this was a lousy period for Hawkwind, I would have been thrilled to have had the opportunity to see some of these gigs. I hope to eventually hear some of the magic that came from the New Zealand and Australia Tour this past year. Must have been incredible. Chris From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Mon May 8 18:36:59 2000 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:36:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: >I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene >in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and Nigel >Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control tower >bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) Apparently happened to Toni Iommi once - in his case it was a Taxi controller. -- | Tim Hall, timjh at compuserve.com | http://www.kalyr.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon May 8 21:13:18 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:13:18 EDT Subject: HW: Naff (is that right?) Songs Message-ID: In a message dated 5/8/00 2:41:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar or the loo. > My thoughts exactly. These and "Dragons and Fables". And I'm far from anti-'80swind. Those songs just seem that they were purposely written and performed in order to bore the audience. There's this terrible "dragging" sensation... But then I still will usually listen to Outtake all the way through...thinking maybe after the 1000th listen they could still catch on...hell, I never thought I'd like "Flight to Maputo" or "Turner Point"... Chuck From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 8 21:31:22 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:31:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Lockheed 1999 In-Reply-To: <20000507195623.LQSP25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default>; from lupercal@GEOCITIES.COM on Mon, May 08, 2000 at 05:56:24AM +1000 Message-ID: On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 05:56:24AM +1000, Tim Gadd wrote: > The BGO CD I recently acquired has a 1999 release date > [...] > it did seem to me that there was atleast one section of dialogue which I didn't > recall from the vinyl, though I could easily be mistaken about that. How does that section go? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon May 8 23:04:41 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:04:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster Message-ID: >From: "*" > 4:21 PMSubject: >To:"List" >Said by Metallica in denying that the Napster situation isn't about money: >. All of us would be perfectly happy serving >fried food or >mopping the floors of adult entertainment establishments >except for the fact >that we'd be taking jobs from our fans. And that's what this >is all about: >the fans. >I mean, I had the notion they had become dickheads, but the fact that they >actually said that is the most gross suicide attempt I've ever seen. The >sad thing is, it probably won't even work. >_____________________________________________________ >"So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 8 22:05:18 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:05:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: <6d.371163d.264532ff@aol.com>; from Alogilvy@AOL.COM on Sat, May 06, 2000 at 04:34:07AM -0400 Message-ID: On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 04:34:07AM -0400, Al Ogilvy wrote: > I do have a copy of Sonic attack > album which has the first side pressed on both sides of the vinyl > though...Anyone know any history to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? I didn't know there were any *not* like that... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 8 22:29:44 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:29:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <001501bfb7bb$deddabe0$b947fea9@09yrk>; from JOHN.GRAY@PRODIGY.NET on Sat, May 06, 2000 at 05:33:28PM -0700 Message-ID: On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 05:33:28PM -0700, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > The blanket statement > that you make that everything MS puts out sucks [...] ... is patently untrue. They make good mice. It's just the rest of their products that suck. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From CultJacket at AOL.COM Mon May 8 22:45:12 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:45:12 EDT Subject: new BOC Message-ID: Got to hear The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return via tape and video today. I must say its a home run. Better than Pocket or Hurricane. Very old BOC sound to it...... Dual lead guitar solo ( Buck/Alan) with Eric picking up the Rhythm Guitar. Sinister sound kinda reminds me of War Pigs or Animal Mag by The Scorpions. From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon May 8 23:24:42 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:24:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <002301bfb644$88464080$adfcfea9@09yrk>; from JOHN.GRAY@PRODIGY.NET on Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:46:30PM -0700 Message-ID: On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:46:30PM -0700, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and forced me > to use their products. Get real, they conduct business like most other > companies, that's capitalism. > > >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or > > less forces people to use its software. Straw-man argument. Of course they don't force individuals to run Windows. They do, however, make every effort to force major computer makers (eg. Compaq, Dell, HP) to install it, so that when the buyer gets the box home, that's what they'll run on it as the path of least resistance. Windows also has a *massive* advantage from the simple fact that so many people are already running it -- regardless of its technical merits or lack of same. Because of the large user (read "potential customer") base, developers quite reasonably write software for Windows first (or only). For example: On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 00:09:53 -0400, Andrew Apold > Give in. I was an Amiga developer. The stuff mac users have > been saying to themselves these last 4-5 years, we said them, > too. It doesn't matter. Develop for the largest market. Thus more software is available for Windows, which means more people run Windows... Snowball effect -- more formally known as the "applications barrier to entry" against any potential competitor to Windows. Which Microsoft makes every attempt, by means fair or foul, to preserve. That's why they were so intent on exterminating Netscape -- at great cost -- and why they tried to subvert Java's platform independence. In both cases, they correctly saw that anything that makes it easier to write software that's portable to both Windows and any non-Windows platform, threatens the golden-goose snowball effect. Before you respond that I'm just another Microsoft hater (which I am, and proud of it!), and put my comments down to paranoid ranting, please do me the courtesy of reading my references -- Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions of Law and Order" in the recent lawsuit: http://usvms.gpo.gov/findings_index.html and http://usvms.gpo.gov/ respectively. "Applications barrier to entry" is Jackson's term, by the way, not mine. On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 23:35:53 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: > It's scary when the feds can announce that MS is too > popular, we're going to chop you up, It's not a matter of "Microsoft software is too popular", "Gates is too rich", or any of those other straw men. It's a matter of *how* they got that way, and how they stay that way. Read the judgement. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 8 23:37:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:37:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Lockheed 1999 Message-ID: At 09:31 PM 5/8/00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 05:56:24AM +1000, Tim Gadd wrote: >> The BGO CD I recently acquired has a 1999 release date >> [...] >> it did seem to me that there was atleast one section of dialogue which I didn't >> recall from the vinyl, though I could easily be mistaken about that. > >How does that section go? Sorry, I don't recall even which sketch it was in; have only listened to the CD in ite entirety once - but I think it was either the first or second sketch on what used to be side two of the LP. I might have a listen to it tonight and try to work it out. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon May 8 23:39:55 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:39:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: At 10:05 PM 5/8/00 -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: >On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 04:34:07AM -0400, Al Ogilvy wrote: >> I do have a copy of Sonic attack >> album which has the first side pressed on both sides of the vinyl >> though...Anyone know any history to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? > >I didn't know there were any *not* like that... Mine's not. .....God, that's a hideous cover :/ -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue May 9 02:57:49 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:57:49 -0600 Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 Message-ID: I can't resist this one:):):) When I'm on the road, I've found that doing nothing more than keying up my 2-way radio microphone will in fact do things like set off car alarms, convenience store door buzzers, and various other fun delights!!!!!! Pam Tim Hall wrote: > Paul Mather wrote: > > >I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene > >in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and Nigel > >Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control tower > >bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) > > Apparently happened to Toni Iommi once - in his case it was a Taxi > controller. > -- > | Tim Hall, timjh at compuserve.com > | http://www.kalyr.com -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Jeff P writes: > extracted from Sonic Bilby May newsletter, this is a very limited release LP > on "Burnt Hippie Recordings" a new Danish label > > "DARK SUN - Ice Ritual > > Dark Sun are a Space Rock band from Finland. This is the bands 2nd full > length release and was recorded live at the Tavastia Club in Helsinki on > 4/7/99. Nik Turner, former flute, saxophone and vocalist for Hawkwind > guests with the band for the complete recording of Hawkwind, ICU, and Bob > Calvert numbers. This is a limited edition vinyl release of 300 numbered > copies on 220 gram vinyl, including psychedelic artwork and two sided A4 > insert. > > Track listing: Sonic Attack, Watching the grass Grow, Psychedelic > Warlords, Kadu Flyer, Utopia 84?, D-Rider, The Right Stuff, Master of the > Universe, Assault and Battery, The Golden Void, Brainstorm, Hassan I > Sabha, Silver Machine" So how do we get a copy of this masterpiece? FoFP From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 06:18:59 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:18:59 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar > or the loo. Eh, no, I think you're thinking of the point where Nik was playing the bagpipes or singing into the sax;only matched in later years by Dave's cod-reggae. Any takers for a rumba version of Orgone Accumulator......with Gloria Estafan on vocals Dave From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 06:26:28 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:26:28 +0100 Subject: Bedouin and AoS gigs galore Message-ID: Any space in there for a reunion? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Neil Ward To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 08 May 2000 21:36 Subject: Bedouin and AoS gigs galore Take deep breath, here is Alan's latest gig list: May 7th Nighthawks, Swindon. Ace of Spades 11th Limelight, Crewe. 01270 251929. AoS 12th Zak's, Church Street, Wolverton, Milton Keynes.01908 315447. AoS 13th Community Centre, Rye, Sussex. 07899 676723. Bedouin 27th Axe and Cleaver, Boston.01205 367300. AoS 28th The Rigger, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 646602. Ace of Bedouin. 50/50 mix for bikers charity gig 31st The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 AoS June 10th Water Leisure Centre, Lydd. AoS 24th Railway Hotel, Foxhall Road, Ipswich. 01473 728700 AoS 29th Princess Charlotte Leicster. 0116 2553956 AoS July 1st The Twist, Military Road, Colchester. 01206 562453 AoS August 4th Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge.01384 390918. AoS 5th Scallys, Carlton Street, Westo Super Mare. 01934 412541 AoS 10th The Limelight, Crewe. 01270 251929. Bedouin 11th Scallys, Carlton Street, Westo Super Mare. 01934 412541 Bedouin 12th Bulldog Bash Bike Festival. Bedouin Sept 28th Running Horse, Nottingham.0115 9787398. Bedouin 30th now Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge. 01384 390918. All day 12:00pm to 12:00am event. Harvey Bainbridge set, Bedouin set, then a set with Nik Turner, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson, Trev Toms. Also stalls/exhibitions. Oct 7th Army and Navy, Chelmsford. Bedouin 20th Zaks, Milton Keynes. Bedouin 27th Victoria Inn, Derby. AoS 28th Axe and Cleaver, Boston. AoS Nov 2nd Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Chester.01244 340005. Bedouin 3rd The Rigger, Newcastle-Under-Lyme.01782 646602. Bedouin 4th Uplands Tavern,Swansea.01792 458242. AoS 9th Alexander Jazz Theatre, Chester. Bedouin 10th The Woodman, Black Fern Road, Sidcup. 0181 850 3181 Bedouin 11th Rye Community Center, Rye. Bedouin 24th Axe and Cleaver, Boston. Bedouin 25th Running Horse, Nottingham. AoS Dec 1st Uplands Tavern,Swansea. 01792 458242. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 9 07:22:01 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:22:01 EDT Subject: new BOC In-Reply-To: <90.4126119.2648d5b8@aol.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 00, at 22:45, Chris Martin wrote: > Got to hear The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return via tape and video > today. I must say its a home run. Better than Pocket or Hurricane. > Very old BOC sound to it...... Dual lead guitar solo ( Buck/Alan) with > Eric picking up the Rhythm Guitar. Sinister sound kinda reminds me of > War Pigs or Animal Mag by The Scorpions. Can't wait for this one! Can you supply any lyrics? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 9 07:37:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:37:35 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Tue, 9 May 2000 11:18:59 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: > > At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary > > Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar > > or the loo. > Eh, no, I think you're thinking of the point where Nik was playing the > bagpipes No. No. That's when we used to head for the front to do an Eightsome Reel. > or singing into the sax;only matched in later years by Dave's > cod-reggae. > Any takers for a rumba version of Orgone Accumulator......with Gloria > Estafan on vocals I'll wait for the Abba cover of Brainstorm. > Dave FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 9 08:05:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:05:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Bar Break Time? In-Reply-To: Chris Raymond's message of Mon, 8 May 2000 18:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: Chris Raymond writes: > I remember hearing a tape a few years ago from 1981, The Glastonbury > CND Festival. It was a great gig, if I remember correctly, great > sound quality. Probably because CND released an official copy of the gig on tape. FoFP From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue May 9 09:18:37 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:18:37 -0500 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords Message-ID: > > Any takers for a rumba version of Orgone Accumulator......with Gloria > > Estafan on vocals > > I'll wait for the Abba cover of Brainstorm. Didn't Nancy Sinatra do that? From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue May 9 08:19:21 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: <20000508222943.C5051@telepres.com> Message-ID: Op 8 May 00, om 22:29, Eric Siegerman schreef: > On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 05:33:28PM -0700, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > > The blanket statement > > that you make that everything MS puts out sucks [...] > > ... is patently untrue. They make good mice. It's just > the rest of their products that suck. The keyboards are very nice too :-) --BArt From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 9 09:16:06 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:16:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster In-Reply-To: <39178048.D1413D6C@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 May 2000, MissileCommand forwarded: => >From: "*" => > 4:21 PMSubject: => >To:"List" => => >Said by Metallica in denying that the Napster situation isn't about money: => => >. All of us would be perfectly happy serving => >fried food or => >mopping the floors of adult entertainment establishments => >except for the fact => >that we'd be taking jobs from our fans. And that's what this => >is all about: => >the fans. => => >I mean, I had the notion they had become dickheads, but the fact that they => >actually said that is the most gross suicide attempt I've ever seen. The => >sad thing is, it probably won't even work. => >_____________________________________________________ => >"So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" That "Open Letter from Metallica" popped up (in its entirety) on another list to which I'm subscribed. I'm gobsmacked that anyone would take it for genuine, it was such a glaringly obvious parody/fake. The authors didn't even go to the bother of rustling up either a Metallica-related postal or e-mail address to give it even a soupcon of legitimacy. It just goes to show that critical literacy is alive and well and living somewhere other than the Internet... (Up next: Metallica prevents Craig Shergold attain new dying wish of most downloads for an individual from Napster---details at eleven!) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 9 10:25:32 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:25:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster In-Reply-To: MissileCommand's message of Mon, 8 May 2000 22:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: MissileCommand writes: > >All of us would be perfectly happy serving fried food or mopping the > >floors of adult entertainment establishments except for the fact that > >we'd be taking jobs from our fans. And that's what this is all > >about: the fans. > >I mean, I had the notion they had become dickheads, but the fact that > >they actually said that is the most gross suicide attempt I've ever > >seen. The sad thing is, it probably won't even work. They could always try the old "we're more famous than Jesus" line, though in these New Economy times, I'm sure real apostacy would be "We're more famous than Alan Greenspan!". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 9 10:26:52 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:26:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 8 May 2000 22:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 04:34:07AM -0400, Al Ogilvy wrote: > > I do have a copy of Sonic attack album which has the first side > > pressed on both sides of the vinyl though...Anyone know any history > > to this ? ..are there many copies like it ? > I didn't know there were any *not* like that... I have a Hawkwind album where all the track names on the sleeve match all the tracks on the album. I expect that's pretty rare. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 9 10:28:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:28:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 8 May 2000 23:24:42 -0400 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:46:30PM -0700, JOHN M GRAY wrote: > > That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and > > forced me to use their products. Get real, they conduct business > > like most other companies, that's capitalism. However their opponents do require you to use their products and only their products, at whatever price they decide to ask, and they won't even guarantee to supply the product. That's government. FoFP From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue May 9 10:58:42 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:58:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Oz tour Message-ID: Hi I just wanted to thank Sonique publicly for the effort he took for some of us to obtain and mail t-shirts and posters from the OZ tour. The t-shirts are really nice, gray with color screening. The poster is very cool, full color. Again thanks Paul!! Michael S. Habiby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From micci at SCI.FI Tue May 9 12:24:53 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:24:53 +0300 Subject: HW: Oz tour Message-ID: Hi! >I just wanted to thank Sonique publicly for the effort he took for some of >us to obtain and mail t-shirts and posters from the OZ tour. > >The t-shirts are really nice, gray with color screening. The poster is very >cool, full color. > >Again thanks Paul!! > >Michael S. Habiby I want too, can anybody help? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue May 9 13:02:24 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:02:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Sorry to start a (possibly) controversial topic of discussion! Does anybody else share the opinion that the CD version of Church of Hawkwind rather let's-down the original version? I quite like the 3 new tracks, but having got used to the old vinyl running order, the CD is very disjointed. Thank God for mini-discs, whereby being able to "re-create" the original album in digital format, with the three extra tracks tagged on the end! I was never massively enamoured with the original, but over the past 18 years (18 - jeez!!) it has really grown on me, and even after 6 years of the CD being available, I still prefer the original! Looking to the Future is classic 80's HW. Guy T From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue May 9 14:17:13 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 2000, MissileCommand forwarded: > > => >From: "*" > => > 4:21 PMSubject: > => >To:"List" > => > => >Said by Metallica in denying that the Napster situation isn't about money: > => > => >. All of us would be perfectly happy serving > => >fried food or > => >mopping the floors of adult entertainment establishments > => >except for the fact > => >that we'd be taking jobs from our fans. And that's what this > => >is all about: > => >the fans. > => > => >I mean, I had the notion they had become dickheads, but the fact that they > => >actually said that is the most gross suicide attempt I've ever seen. The > => >sad thing is, it probably won't even work. > => >_____________________________________________________ > => >"So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" > > That "Open Letter from Metallica" popped up (in its entirety) on another > list to which I'm subscribed. I'm gobsmacked that anyone would take it > for genuine, it was such a glaringly obvious parody/fake. Are you completely sure of this? Unless you can prove it's fake you can't claim to be right-Yes it's easily a fake, but I wouldn't put it past Metallica to say such things. > The authors > didn't even go to the bother of rustling up either a Metallica-related > postal or e-mail address to give it even a soupcon of legitimacy. Since I received only a short clip from it, how can you be sure that such information wasn't removed from your version? I never claimed it was authentic, nor have I seen this "full letter" (The comment below it was not mine either). I forwarded it as it was relavant to the earlier discussion. > It just goes to show that critical literacy is alive and well and living > somewhere other than the Internet... Perhaps subjects such as Metallica are not to be taken seriously enough to demand a critical analysis of the material before posting. sheesh! I mean, my mind is usually elsewhere and I'm glad of it. > > (Up next: Metallica prevents Craig Shergold attain new dying wish of > most downloads for an individual from Napster---details at eleven!) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 13:43:41 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:43:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: I don't have the CD version. Where do the extra three tracks come from? Of the 3 RCA LP's Sonic Attack is the strongest, IMO a compilation of the three of them, might...., might produce one good LP. Ha, here's a possible track list Rocky Paths Angels Of Death Living On A Knife Edge Void City Farenheit 451 Some People Never Die Looking In The Future Possible "fillers" Dream Worker (the live version) Waiting For Tomorrow Blimey that's it! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Guy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 09 May 2000 18:05 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind >Sorry to start a (possibly) controversial topic of discussion! >Does anybody else share the opinion that the CD version of Church of >Hawkwind rather let's-down the original version? I quite like the 3 new >tracks, but having got used to the old vinyl running order, the CD is very >disjointed. Thank God for mini-discs, whereby being able to "re-create" the >original album in digital format, with the three extra tracks tagged on the >end! > >I was never massively enamoured with the original, but over the past 18 >years (18 - jeez!!) it has really grown on me, and even after 6 years of the >CD being available, I still prefer the original! Looking to the Future is >classic 80's HW. > >Guy T > From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Tue May 9 13:50:25 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:50:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Naff (is that right?) Songs Message-ID: Three of my favorite HW tracks... Just wanted to lodge my 'vote.' RJ -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: HW: Naff (is that right?) Songs >In a message dated 5/8/00 2:41:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > >> At Hawkwind gigs in the early 80's, "Waiting For Tomorrow" and "Solitary >> Mind Games" were the tracks used by fans for a visit to the bar or the loo. >> > >My thoughts exactly. These and "Dragons and Fables". And I'm far from >anti-'80swind. Those songs just seem that they were purposely written and >performed in order to bore the audience. There's this terrible "dragging" >sensation... But then I still will usually listen to Outtake all the way >through...thinking maybe after the 1000th listen they could still catch >on...hell, I never thought I'd like "Flight to Maputo" or "Turner Point"... >Chuck From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Tue May 9 14:05:30 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:05:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (gen u whine) =) Message-ID: I hate MS. I like their products. I am an IT professional. (To my experience) Most windows problems are caused by windows users. I believe that windows has become so predominent that the core should be made available to all prospective OS developers. (Especially since all the best bits are stolen anyway...) Yeah 10 or 20 intercompatible OS's............ What the hell do I know. I just got all this mail in my box, thought I might try something more interesting than pressing delete..delete..delete..delete..snicker..delete... Outlook is a major target because it allows an experienced user to do more with it than send chain jokes to his or her pals, and because it is so widely spread. Virii are created in the hopes of gaining fame (even if no one ever finds out who is really responsible..) Like writing your initials in wet cement.... Britney Spears et al do not suck. We just don't like them. I haven't seen my dick in a few months, if anyone happens upon it, would you be so kind as to send it home? Just playin around... =) Rj -----Original Message----- From: Eric Siegerman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) >On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 08:46:30PM -0700, JOHN M GRAY wrote: >> That's right, I remember now the MS bullies came to my house and forced me >> to use their products. Get real, they conduct business like most other >> companies, that's capitalism. >> >> >But why is MS so popular? It has brutally taken over the market and more or >> > less forces people to use its software. > >Straw-man argument. Of course they don't force individuals to >run Windows. They do, however, make every effort to force major >computer makers (eg. Compaq, Dell, HP) to install it, so that >when the buyer gets the box home, that's what they'll run on it >as the path of least resistance. > >Windows also has a *massive* advantage from the simple fact that >so many people are already running it -- regardless of its >technical merits or lack of same. Because of the large user >(read "potential customer") base, developers quite reasonably >write software for Windows first (or only). For example: > >On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 00:09:53 -0400, Andrew Apold >> Give in. I was an Amiga developer. The stuff mac users have >> been saying to themselves these last 4-5 years, we said them, >> too. It doesn't matter. Develop for the largest market. > >Thus more software is available for Windows, which means more >people run Windows... Snowball effect -- more formally known as >the "applications barrier to entry" against any potential >competitor to Windows. > >Which Microsoft makes every attempt, by means fair or foul, to >preserve. That's why they were so intent on exterminating >Netscape -- at great cost -- and why they tried to subvert >Java's platform independence. In both cases, they correctly saw >that anything that makes it easier to write software that's >portable to both Windows and any non-Windows platform, threatens >the golden-goose snowball effect. > >Before you respond that I'm just another Microsoft hater (which >I am, and proud of it!), and put my comments down to paranoid >ranting, please do me the courtesy of reading my references -- >Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" and "Conclusions of Law and >Order" in the recent lawsuit: > http://usvms.gpo.gov/findings_index.html >and > http://usvms.gpo.gov/ >respectively. > >"Applications barrier to entry" is Jackson's term, by the way, >not mine. > > >On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 23:35:53 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: >> It's scary when the feds can announce that MS is too >> popular, we're going to chop you up, > >It's not a matter of "Microsoft software is too popular", "Gates >is too rich", or any of those other straw men. It's a matter of >*how* they got that way, and how they stay that way. Read the >judgement. > >-- > >| | /\ >|-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com >| | / >to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of >ridicule. he was NOT a loser. >thank you, Mr. Schulz. > - Robert C. Mayo > From denis at D-RIDER.DE Tue May 9 14:34:40 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:34:40 +0200 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <001201bfb9de$1e749ba0$a434883e@default> Message-ID: At 19:43 09.05.00, david hall wrote: >I don't have the CD version. Where do the extra three tracks come from? "Damage of Life" was AFAIK a Dave Brock solo-song which also comes from the 81/83 period. "Mists of Meridin" seems to come from the three-piece-period. Both Alan Davey and Richard Chadwick are playing on it. I don't know who decided to put a 90's song on the re-release of an 80's album, but it fits really well stylistically. best regards D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabha www.d-rider.de From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 9 15:01:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:01:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster In-Reply-To: <39185628.19DC4A0E@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 May 2000, MissileCommand wrote: => > That "Open Letter from Metallica" popped up (in its entirety) on another => > list to which I'm subscribed. I'm gobsmacked that anyone would take it => > for genuine, it was such a glaringly obvious parody/fake. => => Are you completely sure of this? Unless you can prove it's fake => you can't claim to be right-Yes it's easily a fake, but I wouldn't => put it past Metallica to say such things. Without some kind of privacy enhanced mail (digital signature support) I cannot prove absolutely *any* mail message I receive is not a fake. I can't even prove I wrote *this* e-mail. But that doesn't mean I should forward any old message and claim it is relevant (especially if it is incendiary). I can't claim to be right, that's true. But 100% surety is hard to achieve (the courts don't work to that standard, so why should I?). But before reposting third-hand information, I try to make a casual attempt to verify it (which is usually easy). For example, in the case of virus hoaxes, a visit to sites such as CERT, Symantec, etc. are normally a good screen, after screening for obvious BS ("what do you mean this virus will cause my mouse to run away from my keyboard and my laser printer to spit blood???"). Similarly, in the case of the "open letter from Metallica," a quick visit to their WWW site would be another easy way to try and assess its legitimacy. (Surprise, surprise, it doesn't appear on there.) Even though I can't *prove* it is not a fake, I believe there is a high probability that it is a fake, so, on those grounds, I didn't bother to repost the one that cropped up on the other list I mentioned. => > The authors => > didn't even go to the bother of rustling up either a Metallica-related => > postal or e-mail address to give it even a soupcon of legitimacy. => => Since I received only a short clip from it, how can you be sure that such => information wasn't removed from your version? I can't. But then I reasoned it was unlikely that they would preserve the headers but selectively remove parts of the message body. Perhaps that is a bad assumption. => I never claimed it was authentic, nor have I seen this "full => letter" (The comment below it was not mine either). I forwarded => it as it was relavant to the earlier discussion. Maybe I should make up a fake press release, "Hawkwind backs Metallica Napster fight to the hilt: Brock vows to 'take a bullet' for Lars!" and post it here? I'm sure it would be similarly as relevant. No need to screen it for credibility. => > It just goes to show that critical literacy is alive and well and living => > somewhere other than the Internet... => => Perhaps subjects such as Metallica are not to be taken seriously => enough to demand a critical analysis of the material before => posting. sheesh! I mean, my mind is usually elsewhere and I'm glad => of it. Yeah, and I guess unsubstantiated rumours do have their plus sides: after all, one did prompt the "OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE BROCK" on here not so long ago! :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue May 9 17:10:39 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:10:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster Message-ID: > > laser printer to spit blood???"). Similarly, in the case of the "open > letter from Metallica," a quick visit to their WWW site would be another > easy way to try and assess its legitimacy. (Surprise, surprise, it > doesn't appear on there.) but take into account that I did not even know it was part of a letter to begin with. I recieved it from a friend who is constantly reading music (spec. metal) related news and know that he wouldn't just make something up to defame metallica as much as he hates them. He's since discovered that the original source IS a letter written as a joke, but the point I'm trying to make is that there's no need to get pissed off and gripe about how careless people are in believing anything they read. You can be sure that I would question any information that could lead to a critical decision, but in this case I really don't see what the big deal is. I would have laughed at Metallica's expense even if I knew it was a joke to begin with. The lack of "critical literacy" is also not just confined to the internet. Look at newspapers. they print almost anything. > > Maybe I should make up a fake press release, "Hawkwind backs Metallica > Napster fight to the hilt: Brock vows to 'take a bullet' for Lars!" and > post it here? I'm sure it would be similarly as relevant. No need to > screen it for credibility. I totally admit the post was just a waste of bandwidth, but I did not think it was fake that at the time (nor did I claim to have gotten it from a legitimate source). While it's immediately a fake to your eye (you also saw it in its original form), many intelligent people were fooled by it since it is definitely not outside the realm of possibility. Just read some metallica interviews or watch them on MTV- they're often that full of s***, and they do insult their fans. > => > It just goes to show that critical literacy is alive and well and living > => > somewhere other than the Internet... > => > => Perhaps subjects such as Metallica are not to be taken seriously > => enough to demand a critical analysis of the material before > => posting. sheesh! I mean, my mind is usually elsewhere and I'm glad > => of it. > > Yeah, and I guess unsubstantiated rumours do have their plus > sides: after all, one did prompt the "OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE BROCK" on > here not so long ago! :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue May 9 21:16:31 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:16:31 -0700 Subject: Ref:HW- Dark Sun play Hawkwind album Message-ID: To Mike Holmes (and the rest of you) Hey - you mean after all this time you have to ask the web lot where you can get something to do with Hawkwind? Clearly the CD Services messaage is not getting across - if it's Hawkwind or anything to do with Hawkwind and it's new and it's on any format and they'll sell it to us, then we'll have it, and that's the bottom line because................Cone Stold sez so!!!!! Andy Garibaldi (waiting to take everyone's orders for the vinyl edition of the Dark Sun do Hawkwind album at Agcdser at aol.com) From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 9 18:23:54 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:23:54 PDT Subject: Dark Sun - Ice Ritual Message-ID: Hey Now! Who is selling this item? Anyone in the USA? Will this be released on compact disc or is this a vinyl only release, never to be seen again? Please email me off list ") Thanx! Darrin "DARK SUN - Ice Ritual Dark Sun are a Space Rock band from Finland. This is the bands 2nd full length release and was recorded live at the Tavastia Club in Helsinki on 4/7/99. Nik Turner, former flute, saxophone and vocalist for Hawkwind guests with the band for the complete recording of Hawkwind, ICU, and Bob Calvert numbers. This is a limited edition vinyl release of 300 numbered copies on 220 gram vinyl, including psychedelic artwork and two sided A4 insert. Track listing: Sonic Attack, Watching the grass Grow, Psychedelic Warlords, Kadu Flyer, Utopia 84?, D-Rider, The Right Stuff, Master of the Universe, Assault and Battery, The Golden Void, Brainstorm, Hassan I Sabha, Silver Machine" ~~~~~~~~~~ Also, I have seen that there are some Charlie Brown fans on the list. There is a special on Charles Schultz Wednesday May 10, 2000 on CBS at 8:00 PM EST. (FYI) np: KVHW 2/20/99 Honolulu, Hawaii (DSBD) D-Rider (Darrin) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue May 9 19:09:30 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:09:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fwd: More Metallica/Napster Message-ID: Would someone post the Metallica parody to the list? I'd like to see the whole thing. Thanks, Thomas MissileCommand wrote: > Paul Mather wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 May 2000, MissileCommand forwarded: > > > > => >From: "*" > > => > 4:21 PMSubject: > > => >To:"List" > > => > > => >Said by Metallica in denying that the Napster situation isn't about money: > > => > > => >. All of us would be perfectly happy serving > > => >fried food or > > => >mopping the floors of adult entertainment establishments > > => >except for the fact > > => >that we'd be taking jobs from our fans. And that's what this > > => >is all about: > > => >the fans. > > => > > => >I mean, I had the notion they had become dickheads, but the fact that they > > => >actually said that is the most gross suicide attempt I've ever seen. The > > => >sad thing is, it probably won't even work. > > => >_____________________________________________________ > > => >"So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late" > > > > That "Open Letter from Metallica" popped up (in its entirety) on another > > list to which I'm subscribed. I'm gobsmacked that anyone would take it > > for genuine, it was such a glaringly obvious parody/fake. > > Are you completely sure of this? Unless you can prove it's fake you can't claim to > be right-Yes it's easily a fake, but I wouldn't put it past Metallica to say such > things. > > > The authors > > didn't even go to the bother of rustling up either a Metallica-related > > postal or e-mail address to give it even a soupcon of legitimacy. > > Since I received only a short clip from it, how can you be sure that such > information wasn't removed from your version? > I never claimed it was authentic, nor have I seen this "full letter" (The comment > below it was not mine either). I forwarded it as it was relavant to the earlier > discussion. > > > It just goes to show that critical literacy is alive and well and living > > somewhere other than the Internet... > > Perhaps subjects such as Metallica are not to be taken seriously enough to demand > a critical analysis of the material before posting. sheesh! I mean, my mind is > usually elsewhere and I'm glad of it. > > > > > (Up next: Metallica prevents Craig Shergold attain new dying wish of > > most downloads for an individual from Napster---details at eleven!) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Tue May 9 19:20:08 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:20:08 -0700 Subject: OFF: Virus alert (genuine) Message-ID: It really doesn't make much sense to continue it because your opinions are as meaningless to me as mine are to you. The statement this product sucks or that band sucks is all relative. Hell for most people, including my wife and daughter HW sucks, they prefer top 40 stuff like NSync (which has been way more successful than HW) that I don't particularly like. It works for them, they like it so I don't knock them or look down on them or run their asses into the ground because of it. MS products are useful to a lot of people whether you like it or not. Maybe not to you but your minority opinion in the matter is much like most of ours on this list about how good HW is, the rest of the world don't agree. I don't think that means they are all fucked up, they just have a different opinion. >Straw-man argument. Of course they don't force individuals to >run Windows. They do, however, make every effort to force major >computer makers (eg. Compaq, Dell, HP) to install it, so that >when the buyer gets the box home, that's what they'll run on it >as the path of least resistance. Companies have been using strong arm tactics throughout history to beat their competition, MS is very good at it. What the US Justice Department says doesn't mean much, we would be fools to believe everything the US government has spewed forth. They don't have a very good track record of telling the truth themselves, at least until they get caught. Like they have never distorted any facts to their favor-right! John From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 19:11:00 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree gigs Message-ID: PT are playing Glasgow King Tut's on Friday June 3rd. I've got my tickets....anyone else going? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Folks have gone off on a real tear on the strength of that letter. But, the aspect I find interesting is the way people have now taken to prefacing their invective with disclaimers like "if that letter was fake then ignore all this, otherwise <>." I just find that weird. If it seemed like I was singling you out, I'm sorry; that was not intended. I was really thinking about that other list. Cheers, Paul. NP: Fleetwood Mac, _The Complete Blue Horizon Sessions: 1967-1969_ (disc 6) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu PS: You're dead right about newspapers! "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 19:26:58 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:26:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Message-ID: Andy G(Gilham) commented that members past and present have supplemented their income from HW with "day jobs". Here's a list of occupations (held after joining or leaving) ..see if you can link them to a current or past member of the band. Car dealer Property owner and developer Teacher Painting and decorating Record producer Studio owner Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by Pepsi) Session muso Antique dealer Gentleman farmer Busker Heavy metal legend Feel free to add more! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Technology run amok..... > >scorch Not wishing to seem to much of a party pooper, but as you say, you'd never "seen" anything like it, so 10/10 for showmanship, but my EARS have never been that impressed, he's a good rock drummer, but I tend to side with Albert - Terry Bozzio can play the ass off most; the aforementioned Mr. Bruford is "outside the box"... The highly opinionated... ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Tue May 9 19:05:28 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:05:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Seafest (Port Canaveral, FL) May 6, 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:36 08/05/00, Tim Hall wrote: >Paul Mather wrote: > > >I don't know, but for some reason I can't shake the image of the scene > >in _This is Spinal Tap_ where the Tap play a US Air Force base and Nigel > >Tufnell storms off the stage because the Air Traffic Control tower > >bleeds all over his signal during his solo... ;-) > >Apparently happened to Toni Iommi once - in his case it was a Taxi controller. Such events aren't all that uncommon... they were a fairly regular phenomenon at some venues used by the jazz club I used to be involved in... Of course, with some of the improv stuff, it fitted right in *g* - "found sound" & all that! Then there was the night that Tony Coe played a duet with somebody's whistling keyring!!!! ChrisW NP: Radio3 From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Tue May 9 19:12:01 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:12:01 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <004601bfb9a0$7871e7e0$7819883e@default> Message-ID: At 11:18 09/05/00, you wrote: >Any takers for a rumba version of Orgone Accumulator......with Gloria >Estafan on vocals > >Dave Sounds good to me *g* ChrisW From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Tue May 9 19:17:59 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:17:59 +0100 Subject: HW: The Time Of The Hawklords In-Reply-To: <3918102D.1D0E6E17@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 14:18 09/05/00, you wrote: > > > Any takers for a rumba version of Orgone Accumulator......with Gloria > > > Estafan on vocals > > > > I'll wait for the Abba cover of Brainstorm. > >Didn't Nancy Sinatra do that? How about The Vengaboyz(sp?) "Time We Left..." Don't I wish... ChrisW From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue May 9 19:44:14 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:44:14 -0700 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Message-ID: This is a good one! I only know a few (many of which I'm not too sure about, so please correct me where I'm wrong!) ... On Wed, 10 May 2000 00:26:58 +0100, david hall wrote: >Here's a list of occupations (held after joining or leaving) >..see if you can link them to a current or past member of the band. > >Car dealer >Property owner and developer This wouldn't refer to an associate of the band (whose name is on most of their recent albums), rather than a member, would it? >Teacher That would be Bridget, right? (I know she was a teacher while in the Hippy Slags before Hawkwind) >Painting and decorating Alan? I seem to remember reading an interview with him in 'Hawkfan' shortly after he joined, saying that was what he did before Hawkwind. >Record producer >Studio owner Is Alan Powell one of these? >Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by Pepsi) >Session muso Huw (at least in the 70s) >Antique dealer Simon King >Gentleman farmer Nik? I'm not sure I'd use the word "gentleman" to describe him ... "all-around cool cat", maybe ... >Busker >Heavy metal legend uh ... Ginger Baker? ;^) And what about "bicycle shop owner"? Or "woodcutter"? (both in Canada, interestingly enough) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Tue May 9 22:00:53 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:00:53 -0400 Subject: OFF:Dark Sun w Nik (FAO: AndyGee) Message-ID: If you want one via Australia you can go through bilby at sonique.net, doubt if anyone in the US wants will stock it. Jeff From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 9 21:48:45 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:48:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree gigs Message-ID: Should I be getting my Sheffield ticket? Where from? Anyone fixed up any meeting place/event for Sheffield yet? Why cant I write in proper sentences? T From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Tue May 9 14:13:15 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:13:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Business Trips etc Message-ID: Gee,have one of those too,seems like it's not that rare. Had a great laugh with that one,still have. filip > > > I have a Hawkwind album where all the track names on the sleeve match > all the tracks on the album. I expect that's pretty rare. > > FoFP From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed May 10 01:14:40 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:14:40 EDT Subject: new BOC Message-ID: Hi Theo. I will ask Eric when I see him this weekend Its about the Old God's of Greek Lore burning our world and damming our cities to hell. Eric sounds evil on this one.....Great vocal by him. CJ From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed May 10 03:41:39 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:41:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000509164414.0099ebc0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 01:44 10.05.00, Doug Pearson wrote: > >Teacher > >That would be Bridget, right? (I know she was a teacher while in the Hippy >Slags before Hawkwind) Harvey also was a teacher before he joined HW. > >Studio owner > >Is Alan Powell one of these? Dave Anderson? Owner of Foel Studios in Wales and of the Demi-Monde label. Wasn't (isn't) Martin Griffin a studio owner, too? > >Busker Dave Brock >And what about "bicycle shop owner"? ???? >Or "woodcutter"? (both in Canada, interestingly enough) Del Dettmar is easy, but who is the other one? Paul Rudolph? cu DR -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From SHLL at NOVO.DK Wed May 10 03:28:11 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:28:11 +0200 Subject: OFF. Dark Sun with Nik Message-ID: Hej, The following people will be selling the Dark Sun records. We are mailing them out to the distributors at the end of this week or early next week. UK- CDS (ask andy) Freak Emporium USA- Aural Innovations Germany- Swamp Room Italy- Vinyl Magic Sweden- Garageland Beautiful lies you could live in Denmark- Candy Records (or direct from us) Finland- Hippie Shake (helsinki) Australia- Sonic Bilby New Zealand- Cranium I think that is the list for now. We will have a web page up at the end of the month at: www.burnthippie.dk and this will have a full list of the distributors. The new double live On Trial- Psychedelic Freakout Party just arrived yesterday. This will also go out to distrobutors next week. ALso limited to 300 copies on vinyl! scott From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Wed May 10 03:58:31 2000 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:58:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <001201bfb9de$1e749ba0$a434883e@default> Message-ID: Actually such a compilation album exists, because I have one! Off hand I can't remember the compilation title or specific tracks, I'll have to check tonight. The album cover is silver and black. Cheers, Andy At 18:43 09/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >I don't have the CD version. Where do the extra three tracks come from? >Of the 3 RCA LP's Sonic Attack is the strongest, IMO a compilation of the >three of them, might...., might produce one good LP. > >Ha, here's a possible track list > >Rocky Paths >Angels Of Death >Living On A Knife Edge >Void City >Farenheit 451 >Some People Never Die >Looking In The Future > >Possible "fillers" >Dream Worker (the live version) >Waiting For Tomorrow > >Blimey that's it! > From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 10 04:25:11 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:25:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job (or night job) Message-ID: Is 'dealer' (other than car or antique dealer) an occupation? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:26 AM Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Andy G(Gilham) commented that members past and present have supplemented their income from HW with "day jobs". Here's a list of occupations (held after joining or leaving) ..see if you can link them to a current or past member of the band. Car dealer Property owner and developer Teacher Painting and decorating Record producer Studio owner Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by Pepsi) Session muso Antique dealer Gentleman farmer Busker Heavy metal legend Feel free to add more! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed May 10 04:43:47 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:43:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Napster / Metallica and other pointless exercises Message-ID: Here is the official word; Metallica has really kicked it up a notch in its fight against Napster http://www.napster.com. Apparently the band has= delivered=3D a list of close to 335,000 names to lawyers in an effort to stop=3D the sharing of their music. Napster fired back this quote, "we will review the over 300,000 fan names that Metallica turned in as=3D soon as possible. If the claims are submitted properly, the company= will=3D take the appropriate actions to disable the users Metallica has identified. Of course, if the band would provide the names in computerized form, rather than in tens of thousands of pages of=3D paper intended to create a photo op, that would expedite the= process."=3D Metallica also doesn't help their cause when Lars becomes so=3D pompous and arrogant as to say, "for the doubters out there, Metallica=3D will carry on for the next 20 years. Whether you're around for the=3D ride or not, that's your problem, not ours." Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 10 05:42:58 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:42:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Wed, 10 May 2000 00:26:58 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: > Car dealer > Property owner and developer > Teacher > Painting and decorating > Record producer > Studio owner > Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by = > Pepsi) > Session muso > Antique dealer > Gentleman farmer > Busker > Heavy metal legend > > Feel free to add more! Tree Surgeon? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 10 05:47:45 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:47:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Andy Ball's message of Wed, 10 May 2000 08:58:31 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Ball writes: > >I don't have the CD version. Where do the extra three tracks come > >from? Of the 3 RCA LP's Sonic Attack is the strongest, IMO a > >compilation of the three of them, might...., might produce one good > >LP. > Actually such a compilation album exists, because I have one! Off hand > I can't remember the compilation title or specific tracks, I'll have > to check tonight. The album cover is silver and black. 1986 Angels of Death (compilation) (RCA) Angel Voices Nuclear Drive Rocky Paths Solitary Mind Games Living On A Knife Edge Fahrenheit 451 Looking In The Future Choose Your Masques The Joker At The Gate Waiting For Tomorrow The Last Messiah Arrival In Utopia Virgin Of The World Angels Of Death From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 10 07:26:01 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:26:01 EDT Subject: new BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 May 00, at 1:14, Chris Martin wrote: > Hi Theo. > I will ask Eric when I see him this weekend > Its about the Old God's of Greek Lore burning our world and damming > our cities to hell. Eric sounds evil on this one.....Great vocal by > him. CJ Hey, rub it in, why don't ya! Looks like I won't see them til august in Buffalo, unless they pencil in some new gigs over the summer... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 10 07:30:03 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:30:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Napster / Metallica and other pointless exercises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10 May 00, at 9:43, Stuart Hamilton wrote: > Here is the official word; > > Metallica has really kicked it up a notch in its fight against > Napster http://www.napster.com. Apparently the band has= > delivered=3D > a > list of close to 335,000 names to lawyers in an effort to stop=3D > the > sharing of their music. Napster fired back this quote, "we will > review the over 300,000 fan names that Metallica turned in as=3D > soon as > possible. If the claims are submitted properly, the company= > will=3D > take > the appropriate actions to disable the users Metallica has > identified. Of course, if the band would provide the names in > computerized form, rather than in tens of thousands of pages of=3D > paper > intended to create a photo op, that would expedite the= > process."=3D > I believe that Metallica did this only to illustrate that they truly are being deprived of royalties on a grand scale because of Napster. The band has no intention of pursuing legal action against individual fans. They are doing this solely to put pressure on Napster. NB, I'm not trying to defend Metallica here, but I don't think they're all that evil either... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 10 08:16:12 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:16:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000510085831.0094a480@sunf0> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 May 2000, Andy Ball wrote: => Actually such a compilation album exists, because I have one! => Off hand I can't remember the compilation title or specific tracks, I'll => have to check tonight. The album cover is silver and black. I have a copy of that one, too, now you mention it. Jolly good value for money at the time, I seem to recall. Wasn't it called _Angels of Death_? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 10 09:34:11 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:34:11 +1000 Subject: HW: Re-entry Message-ID: Ok - I'm gonna get in first! :) I have a feeling Bowie accomplished something similar to this with 'Space Oddity' - though in his case the original release was the minor hit, and the re-release was the biggie, and the gap may have been more than 6 years. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 10 09:32:12 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:32:12 +1000 Subject: HW: Re-entry Message-ID: I was just considering the chart performance of 'Silver Machine' (#3 in 1972, #34 in 1978). Can anyone else think of an artist who has had two top 40 entries with the same version of the same song, in the space of 6 years? I imagine it's happened, though offhand, I can't think of an example. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed May 10 09:39:09 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:39:09 -0400 Subject: new BOC Message-ID: You talking about the show at The Station in Warwick? Just got my tic last night. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Martin [SMTP:CultJacket at AOL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 1:15 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: new BOC > > Hi Theo. > I will ask Eric when I see him this weekend > Its about the Old God's of Greek Lore burning our world and damming our > cities to hell. > Eric sounds evil on this one.....Great vocal by him. > CJ From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Wed May 10 10:37:40 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (Rainer Wangler) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:37:40 +0200 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: M Holmes schrieb: > Andy Ball writes: > > > >I don't have the CD version. Where do the extra three tracks come > > >from? Of the 3 RCA LP's Sonic Attack is the strongest, IMO a > > >compilation of the three of them, might...., might produce one good > > >LP. > > > Actually such a compilation album exists, because I have one! Off hand > > I can't remember the compilation title or specific tracks, I'll have > > to check tonight. The album cover is silver and black. > > German release only NL 71150 1986 Angels of Death (compilation) (RCA) > Angel Voices > Nuclear Drive > Rocky Paths > Solitary Mind Games > Living On A Knife Edge > Fahrenheit 451 > Looking In The Future > Choose Your Masques > The Joker At The Gate > Waiting For Tomorrow > The Last Messiah > Arrival In Utopia > Virgin Of The World > Angels Of Death From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 10 13:02:28 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 03:02:28 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert experiment Message-ID: I've just put up a short excerpt of the Calvert tape as a real audio file, to see whether it's of acceptable sound quality, so any comments welcome. Bear in mind that the original was made on a portable tape deck, using a cheap microphone, and there is heaps of level fluctuation and over-recording. Most of the distortion you hear is in the original - at least the distortion during peak levels. However, if you're getting distortion at lower volume levels, I'd be interested to know. I don't have my computer hooked up to a decent sound system. I have basically just added treble eq to the original recording (because you lose quite a lot of treble transferring from wav to realaudio) then used a noise gate to get rid of a little hiss (personally I'd rather have some hiss than a heavily clipped sound) The wav.file sounded fine, but in converting it to .rm format a phased effect seems to have crept in. There doesn't seem to be a lot I can do about this. I'm recording at voice 28.8K setting. Switching to music setting at a higher resolution actually worsens the effect. On my computer speakers the effect isn't terribly noticeable, but if it sounds dreadful with some decent amplification, tell me. The main reason I'm checking though, is just to see if I'm going to need to cut back on the original recording level. The .wav version was fine, but transferring it to .rm jacks everything up considerably, and I was red-lining a lot of the time, even though it doesn't seem to show up in playback too much. Some comments on this should allow me to define the settings to go ahead and transfer the whole interview, bit by bit. Remember, the original is pretty rough, so it's never going to be anywhere near perfect, but I can try not to keep the recording artefacts which I introduce to a minimum. Anyway, it's at http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/radio/calvert/bob.html -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed May 10 13:30:00 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:30:00 EDT Subject: HW: Re-entry Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/00 9:34:46 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << I have a feeling Bowie accomplished something similar to this with 'Space Oddity' - though in his case the original release was the minor hit, and the re-release was the biggie, and the gap may have been more than 6 years. ========== "space oddity" first came out, in england anyway, as a single in '69. i first heard it on what they used to call an "underground" phoenix radio station, summer '70. looked for it for 'years'; then the first 2 bowie lp's [not counting the deram, etc stuff] were re-released by RCA app. fall 72 in the wake of 'ziggy stardust'. i suppose the re-release of "space oddity" as a single followed shortly thereafter but i cant place when. there wasnt a 6-year gap though; that'd be '75, when bowie was having hits such as 'fame', etc. "<>" == <> KISAKO 2K From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed May 10 13:37:51 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:37:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert experiment Message-ID: Personal opinion: I think it sounds OK. There is a little bit of hiss, but it is negligible and by all means, it is entirely acceptable. Therefore, my vote is to run it as is. Thank you for your contribution! Tom From hw at UNICURSAL.CO.UK Wed May 10 14:15:27 2000 From: hw at UNICURSAL.CO.UK (John W) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:15:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert experiment In-Reply-To: <20000510170227.FQCS25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: In article <20000510170227.FQCS25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au at Default> , Tim Gadd writes >I've just put up a short excerpt of the Calvert tape as a real audio file, >to see whether it's of acceptable sound quality, so any comments welcome. Sounds okay to me - quite acceptable as it's speech, music would be another matter entirely. Go for it, Tim ! -- John W From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Wed May 10 14:46:19 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:46:19 -0500 Subject: Calvert experiment Message-ID: No, it's not perfect. Yes, it's good to go. Absolutely, I'd love to have the whole piece. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd [mailto:lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 12:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Calvert experiment I've just put up a short excerpt of the Calvert tape as a real audio file, to see whether it's of acceptable sound quality, so any comments welcome. Bear in mind that the original was made on a portable tape deck, using a cheap microphone, and there is heaps of level fluctuation and over-recording. Most of the distortion you hear is in the original - at least the distortion during peak levels. However, if you're getting distortion at lower volume levels, I'd be interested to know. I don't have my computer hooked up to a decent sound system. I have basically just added treble eq to the original recording (because you lose quite a lot of treble transferring from wav to realaudio) then used a noise gate to get rid of a little hiss (personally I'd rather have some hiss than a heavily clipped sound) The wav.file sounded fine, but in converting it to .rm format a phased effect seems to have crept in. There doesn't seem to be a lot I can do about this. I'm recording at voice 28.8K setting. Switching to music setting at a higher resolution actually worsens the effect. On my computer speakers the effect isn't terribly noticeable, but if it sounds dreadful with some decent amplification, tell me. The main reason I'm checking though, is just to see if I'm going to need to cut back on the original recording level. The .wav version was fine, but transferring it to .rm jacks everything up considerably, and I was red-lining a lot of the time, even though it doesn't seem to show up in playback too much. Some comments on this should allow me to define the settings to go ahead and transfer the whole interview, bit by bit. Remember, the original is pretty rough, so it's never going to be anywhere near perfect, but I can try not to keep the recording artefacts which I introduce to a minimum. Anyway, it's at http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/radio/calvert/bob.html -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed May 10 20:07:00 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:07:00 BST Subject: HW: Calvert experiment Message-ID: Hi Tim, Sounds ok to me, better than I expected from what you said. Looking forward to the rest of it, thanks for sharing it with everyone. All the best, Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed May 10 18:08:51 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:08:51 -0700 Subject: et tu, Nik? Message-ID: Just ran across this in a list of "less common Latin phrases", anyone up for a full translation? :) scorch > Magister Mundi sum! I am the Master of the Universe! From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 10 18:25:02 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:25:02 +0100 Subject: et tu, Nik? Message-ID: Mundus, mundi is the genitive, actually means world - as in Rex Mundi or GLoria Mundi (King of the World and Glory of the World respectively). Otherwise, it's a good translation (although magister has more formal connotations - eg. schoolteacher, lawyer etc). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: John H. McCartney To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:08 PM Subject: et tu, Nik? > Just ran across this in a list of "less common Latin phrases", > anyone up for a full translation? :) > > > scorch > > > > > Magister Mundi sum! I am the Master of the Universe! From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed May 10 18:23:56 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:23:56 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 5/6/00 Play-list Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP : Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. 5/6/00 1.Escapade--Overmine (Citrus Cloud Cover) 2.F/i--Nothing But a Hoax (Out of Space and Out of Time) 3.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) 4.Hawkwind--Spiral Galaxy 28948 (Warrior at the Edge of Time) 5.Sun Dial--Never Fade (Reflecter) 6.Gong--Goddess Invocation/Om Riff (Shapeshifter) 7.Frank Zappa--Lemme Take Your to the Beach (Studio Tan) 8.Zappa/Mothers/Capt. Beefheart--Sam w/the Showing Scalp Flat Top (Bongo Fury) 9.Amon Duul II--Kanaan (BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert) 10. " " --Dem Guten Schonen Wahren (BBC...) 11.Vas Deferens Organization--The Matmos (Sweat Your Cheeses...) 12.Schnittstelle--Hallmarke 2 (Schnittstelle) 13.Melting Euphoria--Under Virgo's Sun (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 14.Agitation Free--Looping IV (Last) Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed May 10 18:54:45 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:54:45 EDT Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: I know this is another re-hashed subject but I can never resist... Generally I think I like early '80s HW more than the average (older) Hawkfan who grew up buying the albums as they were released and expected something different. If Hawkwind did jump on the (commercial) heavy-metal band-wagon, okay, but there was still plenty of spaciness and experimentation (especially on Church, probably my fave of the lot). Anyway, I could make a double-CD of my favorite '80s Hawkstuff, I think it would go like this: Hawkwind '81--'88 (excluding Levitation and the '89 live stuff, as most people are in agreement about those ): from Sonic Attack: 1.Sonic Attack--the studio/song version! I just listened to this album again yesterday after a long break and I think it's damn consistent! I might even kick off SDNC next week w/this track (ducking) 2.Rocky Paths 3.Angels of Death 4.Living on a Knife Edge 5.Lost Chances 6.Transdimentional Man from Church of HW: 7.Nuclear Drive 8.Star Cannibal 9.Phenomenon of Luminosity 10.The Church 11.Light Specific Data (and though it's a '90s track--Mists of Meridin, maybe my fave '90s Hawk-track) from CYM: 12.Choose Your Masques 13.Dream Worker 14.Void City Zones: 15.The Island This is HW: Do not Panic/Stonehenge: 16.Levitation 17.Stonehenge Decoded Chronicle and bonus tracks: 18.Shade Gate 19.The War I Survived (Live) 20.Arioch L. Chron: 21.Shade Gate 22.Rocky Paths 23.Conjuration of Magnu/Magnu 24.Dust of Time Out and Intake: 25.Cajun Jinx 26.Ejection 27.Assassins of Allah 28.Ghost Dance (and Undisclosed Files version) 29.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Griffin CD) from Xenon Codex: 30.Neon Skyline Well! I guess that was a little more than a double-album's worth... Chuck NP: Census of Hallucinations (everybody get this!! latest from Stone Premonitions people) From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Wed May 10 19:51:09 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:51:09 -0400 Subject: Harvey Bainbridge Message-ID: Hello all... Just passing along some information here. Harvey Bainbridge has been added to the lineup for the North German Hawkfanfest. You can check out the official festival website at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/vine/7939/hawkfans/hf.htm or you can enter via a link from the Sloterdijk URL below... Peace, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Wed May 10 22:13:45 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:13:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster / Metallica and other pointless exercises Message-ID: >=> letter written as a joke, but the point I'm trying to make is that >=> there's no need to get pissed off and gripe about how careless >=> people are in believing anything they read. You can be sure that I >=> would question any information that could lead to a critical >=> decision, but in this case I really don't see what the big deal >=> is. > >It is no big deal. All I was saying is that I'm surprised at what >things people will routinely forward these days. I guess that's how >these "modem tax" urban legends get started and take hold. > >It's been an interesting phenomenon that's unfolded in the wake of the >posting of the full text of the "Metallica open letter" on the other >list I mentioned. Folks have gone off on a real tear on the strength of >that letter. But, the aspect I find interesting is the way people have >now taken to prefacing their invective with disclaimers like "if that >letter was fake then ignore all this, otherwise <bile>>." I just find that weird. > >If it seemed like I was singling you out, I'm sorry; that was >not intended. I was really thinking about that other list. understood! thank you. It's amazing how the two biggest fights on this list (in the past 2 years?) have been over such common subjects as Microsoft and Metallica! I thought we were supposed to be weirdos! From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu May 11 01:57:01 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:57:01 +0200 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Message-ID: Danny Thompson washed cars between Hawkwind and Bedouin. He left Hawkwind for a woman.(thant's what he told me himself) greetings filip hawkwind ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Andy G(Gilham) commented that members past and present have supplemented their income from HW with "day jobs". Here's a list of occupations (held after joining or leaving) ..see if you can link them to a current or past member of the band. Car dealer Property owner and developer Teacher Painting and decorating Record producer Studio owner Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by Pepsi) Session muso Antique dealer Gentleman farmer Busker Heavy metal legend Feel free to add more! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu May 11 03:49:54 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:49:54 +0200 Subject: HW:Assassins Of Silence Message-ID: Hello, Is there anyone who knows if the "Assassins Of Silence/Hundred Watts Violence" is still availible on CD? Where can I get this item? Have the 2LP in just yesterday and it's a shame to play as it's mint. greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 11 07:18:08 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:18:08 PDT Subject: REALLY SICK OF NAPSTER/METALLICA Message-ID: The following is in all caps for a reason: I AM REALLY SICK OF SEEING THIS NAPSTER/METALLICA CRAP IN THIS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Surely, we all know where to keep up w/ it if we want to. You can go to www.livedaily.com to keep up w/ all the latest press release information. This site is directly affiliated w/ everybody's favorite monopoly TICKET MASTER. SO CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON??!! Thanx! Darrin np: BOC - Tyranny & Mutation ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 11 07:21:37 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:21:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Napster / Metallica and other pointless exercises In-Reply-To: <391A1758.A2A17359@softhome.net> Message-ID: On 10 May 00, at 21:13, MissileCommand wrote: > understood! thank you. It's amazing how the two biggest fights on this > list (in the past 2 years?) have been over such common subjects as > Microsoft and Metallica! I thought we were supposed to be weirdos! This is the most civilized list I'm on. I'm on a list for English folk- rocker Richard Thompson, and you should see the flaming that goes on there. You'd figure a bunch of folkie librarians would all play nicely, but that ain't so... theo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 11 07:25:35 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 04:25:35 PDT Subject: Danny Thompson Message-ID: (SNIP) Danny Thompson washed cars between Hawkwind and Bedouin. He left Hawkwind for a woman.(thant's what he told me himself) I for one am really glad that he met that woman ") Is it just me or does Danny sound WAY better w/ Bedouin than he did w/ Hawkwind.....? I think so, anyway.. Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu May 11 08:14:45 2000 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 13:14:45 +0100 Subject: Danny Thompson In-Reply-To: <20000511112535.26799.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > I for one am really glad that he met that woman ") Is it just me or > does Danny sound WAY better w/ Bedouin than he did w/ Hawkwind.....? > I think so, anyway.. Nah, it's just that his *style*, ahem, fits better. -- Chris Bates (c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk) School of Computing and Management Sciences Sheffield Hallam University http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cms/teaching/crb From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu May 11 10:16:27 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:16:27 -0500 Subject: Quarkstock Message-ID: Hey Everyone! Who else is going to Quarkstock? I just bought my ticket and booked my flight. Should be a great weekend. Wrote to Paul Williams from quarkspace and he got back to me right away about the ticket. pwdood at quarkspace.com Quarkstock Web Site http://quarkspace.com/quarksto.htm Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From swann at CUGC.ORG Thu May 11 10:32:22 2000 From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:32:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: record industry Message-ID: http://partners.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/record-antitrust.html From micci at SCI.FI Thu May 11 12:23:23 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:23:23 +0300 Subject: OFF. Dark Sun with Nik Message-ID: Hi folks.. This is absolutely magnificent album. Every HW fan must buy this one. Beautiful sleeve too! Scott, release next DS studio album too, PLEASE! ps. don?t forget buy Dark Sun shirt! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu May 11 14:11:18 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job (answers +) Message-ID: Any answers! Most of these are hearsay, some are well known, and Martin Griffin was featured in a two page spread in Q. The Nik Turner as property owner and landlord is one I first heard of in the early eighties, and many times since, - at Stonehenge, interestingly enough. Over to you: "Hawkmyth" or "Hawkfact"!! Note the category "Dodgy geezer" aka "Purveyor of crappy compilations" is not included! Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 10 May 2000 10:43 Subject: Re: HW: Don't give up the day job >david hall writes: >> Car dealer Dave Brock - early eighties >> Property owner and developer Nik Turner (what happened to the flats?) >> Teacher Bridgett >> Painting and decorating Dik Mik >> Record producer Dave Anderson Thomas Crimble >> Studio owner Dave Anderson - again >> Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by =Pepsi) Martin Griffin - as featured in Q magazine a few years back >> Session muso Huw >> Antique dealer Simon King >> Gentleman farmer Dave Brock -again >> Busker Mick Slattery >> Heavy metal legend Lemmy? >> >> Feel free to add more! > >Tree Surgeon? Simon King > >FoFP > Scrappie Terry Ollis From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu May 11 14:12:31 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:12:31 +0100 Subject: HW Terry Ollis Message-ID: Anyone got recent photos of Terry? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 11 22:24:09 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:24:09 -0700 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > david hall writes: > > Car dealer > > Property owner and developer > > Teacher > > Painting and decorating > > Record producer > > Studio owner > > Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by = > > Pepsi) > > Session muso > > Antique dealer > > Gentleman farmer > > Busker > > Heavy metal legend > > > > Feel free to add more! > > Tree Surgeon? > > Mayor of London MM!! From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu May 11 14:15:46 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:46 +0100 Subject: HW Choose Your Masques and Simon King Message-ID: Simon K joined the band for a few days during the recording of CYM (Brian Tawn featured a photo of SK, DB, NT, HB, and HLL and interestingly enough no other drummer in Hawkfan 9) - is there anything from this line-up in the vaults? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu May 11 14:36:29 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:36:29 -0700 Subject: HW Choose Your Masques and Simon King Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:15:46 +0100, david hall wrote: >Simon K joined the band for a few days during the recording of >CYM (Brian Tawn featured a photo of SK, DB, NT, HB, and HLL >and interestingly enough no other drummer in Hawkfan 9) - is >there anything from this line-up in the vaults? Would this have been during the period that Martin Griffin was laid up with the Measles? That was the reason I'd always heard for 'Church of Hawkwind' being a (mostly) drummerless album. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri May 12 01:07:22 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:07:22 -0700 Subject: HW: Don't give up the day job Message-ID: Yes! I was given 3 rossettes from Waterstones in Gower St. London their yellow and they read: Moorcock for London, Better Read that Ken and Vote Michael Moorcock. haha linuxchaos wrote: > M Holmes wrote: > > > david hall writes: > > > Car dealer > > > Property owner and developer > > > Teacher > > > Painting and decorating > > > Record producer > > > Studio owner > > > Advertising and product placement in music (e.g. ZZ Top sponsored by = > > > Pepsi) > > > Session muso > > > Antique dealer > > > Gentleman farmer > > > Busker > > > Heavy metal legend > > > > > > Feel free to add more! > > > > Tree Surgeon? > > > > Mayor of London > > MM!! From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri May 12 01:11:21 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:11:21 -0700 Subject: Jerry Cornelius short stories Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can get the Short stories published in The Edge magazine and others? I've done all sort of web searches to no avail. Ta! Ben From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 11 16:14:22 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:14:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Amorphis live review Message-ID: Amorphis/Moonspell/Covenant/Allan - May 9, 2000, Club Laga, Oakland, PA (Pittsburgh) Finland's Amorphis are a band that only recently appeared on my radar screen, mainly due to the fact that until their fourth and newest full-length CD 'Tuonela,' Amorphis were pretty much pure death metal. Well, the transition into their current hybrid sound of wah-guitar psychedelia and pounding heavy metal wasn't quite *that* abrupt. For instance, the "My Kantele" EP that appeared in between 'Tuonela' and the previous transition album 'Elegy' included covers of both Hawkwind's "Levitation" and (Finnish compatriots) Kingston Wall's "And I Hear You Call." In general, you can peruse the online discography at www.amorphis.net with cover art scans of their eight releases (four CDs, four CD-EPs), and judge where the transition occurred simply by the change in the band's logo, from the menacing font of the early releases to the more 'benign' type and imagery displayed on more recent works. Of course, given Amorphis' pedigree, their fanbase is still deeply rooted in the 'extreme' metal community...I'm sorry I can't be more specific than that, but I suppose that from amongst something from 'black metal,' 'death metal', or 'doom'...one of these terms should be appropriate. (But which?) Anyway, Amorphis came to the states with two other European bands that they must know from touring in years past, whether or not they still belong together on the same bill or not. First up though was Pittsburgh's own Allan, a four-piece 'death metal' (I suppose) band with a fair amount of musicianship and writing talent, I must admit. Of course, the growly unintelligible 'death' vocals are something I can't advocate (to say the least), and because each of the first three acts used these (nearly) exclusively, I was left to focus on the music instead. Club Laga is not a large place, and sitting on a bench attached to the back wall of the club meant that I got to 'feel' the music as much as hear it. Translation: It was bloody loud! But in 35 minutes, Allan showed that they could hold their own with the Euros, and I was impressed with bassist Bobby Spell's playing. But my ears were hurting already....and still three more to go! By process of elimination (the introduction was impossible to make out), Norway's Covenant was up next. Musically-speaking, this five-piece (with a keyboardist hidden behind an amplifier stack) was quite intriguing...an intense, gothic-flavored industrial-metal hybrid that, with a 'normal' vocalist, would have impressed me quite a lot. In a few passages, the lead 'death' vocals were merged with a female voice (that was either piped in via the keyboardist, or else there was one more person hidden in the back) or gothic 'chorale' voices that provided extra dark ambiance. The finale ("Spaceman" I think), a weird amalgam of similar metallic sounds and 'Ziggy Stardust'-like crooning left me puzzled, but intrigued. Moonspell, from Portugal, wasn't so interesting. Lots of hammering and rapid-fire double bass drumming, and the obligatory Satanic throat-clearing vocalizations. Their cover of Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart" reminded me of Type O Negative's rendering of Seals & Crofts' "Summer Breeze" in the category of 'surreal.' By the end, my ears had (almost) gotten used to the incredible pounding noise, but I was getting rather anxious for the comparatively 'melodic' (new) Amorphis to appear. Luckily, the schedule was tight, and Moonspell wrapped things up in about 45 minutes. As Amorphis is really at an important crossroads in their career, I'm sure it's been hard for them to reconcile their 'extreme' past with their current more mainstream-friendly sound. Hence, I was likely one of the very few in the decidely-blackclad, facemetal-sporting audience of ~150 who were thinking, "I hope they play a lot from the new album." I'm sure the handful of boisterous moshers (that nearly caused a fight during Moonspell's set) were certainly downtrodden upon the arrival of such works as the Scorps-style power ballad "Tuonela," anyway. (It's *far* better than that description suggests!) The unfortunate thing was that the soundmen on this night were primed on mixing the bands on the premise of "jackhammers before melody." So much of the nuances of Amorphis' new style, and in particular the wah-guitar of Tomi Kuivusaari or the melodic lead lines of Esa Holopainen's guitar were buried under the blitzkrieg of (newcomer) Niclas Etelavuori's bass and Pekka Kasari's drums. And Santeri Kallio's keyboard textures? Forget it...only audible during the rare quiet intros and bridge passages. Hence, the lone death metal throwback tune ("Greed") from 'Tuonela' was the show's highlight, where I forgave the double-bass thundering and Pasi Koskinen's rare bout of gutteral angst-spewing because of the awesome blistering rhythmic onslaught. By show's end, Amorphis had performed all of the first six tunes from 'Tuonela' and a pair of tracks each from 1994's 'Tales from the Thousand Lakes' and 1996's 'Elegy.' Throughout, Koskinen proved that he's capable of crossing over between the clean, melodic vocals of the new material as well as covering the tunes sung entirely in the 'old' death metal style (originally done by guitarist Koivusaari). In the end, I chose to catch Amorphis in Pittsburgh (rather than Cincinnati or Cleveland) because in most US cities, the three European groups are together supporting Armored Saint. So I figured that I would get an extra 15-20 minutes of Amorphis here...and I was right. The band returned after the small but appreciative audience worked up enough of a chant and cranked out versions of both an oldie ("In the Beginning" from 'Tales...') and the newest single "Divinity." An encore that in a microcosmic sense was a reflection of the Amorphis history to date. Next time though, I wonder if Amorphis will still be catering to the same crowd or whether they might have been completely cast aside as 'sell-outs' by the true mosher-types. I'm one who thinks that rather than selling out, they've hit on a very imaginative psychedelic-metal sound that has yet to find its 'true' audience completely. Perhaps they should have even changed the band's name? After all, only two of the six are original members. Whatever the case...I think it might be in their best interest to find new touring partners soon...most importantly to get the soundmen to mix the sound right! Amorphis set list (Approximate) - 65 minutes: Morning Star The Way Better Unborn ? The Castaway Tuonela Nightfall My Kantele Summer's End ? Greed ------- In The Beginning Divinity From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Thu May 11 18:28:29 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:28:29 -0500 Subject: Jerry Cornelius short stories Message-ID: linuxchaos wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get the Short stories published in The Edge > magazine and others? > > I've done all sort of web searches to no avail. > > Ta! > > Ben Here's the Princess Diana one: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~houghtong/di_1.htm From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri May 12 01:35:42 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:35:42 -0700 Subject: HW: Jerry Cornelius short stories Message-ID: > Does anyone know where I can get the Short stories published in The Edge > magazine and others? > > I've done all sort of web searches to no avail. > > Ta! > > Ben From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Thu May 11 19:27:30 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:27:30 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <391B982E.16F49530@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: A couple of weeks ago I purchased "HW In Your Area",released by voiceprint. The last HW album I purchased with 'New' material on it,was Distant Horizons a while ago,which was a major disappointment. I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. The 1st track.......Brainstorm!!!!!????? Now come on Dave Brock, this is really takeing the piss! This once great track has been well and truly flogged to death now,and this has to be the worst version yet. The 'reggaed' middle bit with Captain Rizz on the vocals is like something out of 'Playschool', with the chorus....."jump up and down.....swing yourselves around......Hawkwind in your area.........Hawkwind on your land"!!!!!! (sounds like a nursery rhyme!!!) Whats next????? "Out of the Shadows.........and here we go round the mulberry bush....on a spaced out sunday morning????" Track 3.....Another version of 'Love in Space'......much,much better instrumentals with DB on vocals which goes on to be totally ruined with a middle section with terrible lyrics by Captain Rizz that seems to constantly repeat rhymes with 'ace' eg....."open up your eyes,its time to realise,you're not the rat race.you're the human race,so leave the rat race and join the human race,if you want love in space,then join the human race and leave the rat race" I've not been a great fan of Ron Tree, but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the pits. The nice surprise is Track 8 , "hippy"............brilliant ( and I even like Rons vocals on this one!) Anyone with any opinions out there? Mel. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri May 12 03:55:15 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:55:15 -0700 Subject: Jerry Cornelius short stories Message-ID: thanx!! I owe you one. MissileCommand wrote: > linuxchaos wrote: > > > Does anyone know where I can get the Short stories published in The Edge > > magazine and others? > > > > I've done all sort of web searches to no avail. > > > > Ta! > > > > Ben > > Here's the Princess Diana one: > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~houghtong/di_1.htm From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu May 11 20:17:14 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:17:14 -0500 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: Well I actually rather liked In Your Area.... I agree that Captain Rizz is pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love In Space is cool, I think! It's actually one of my favorite things on the record. I like very much that whole studio-edited sequence where they splice together Love In Space with Rat Race and Aerospaceage Inferno.... very rocking psychedelic stuff. Speaking of psychedelia--that live snippet called "I am the Reptoid" is one of the most freaked-out sounding things I've heard in ages. Sadly though, much as I like this record, I can't help but feel that HW are drying up... I mean this is the new "studio" record and we wind up getting mostly live retread material, and the new studio tracks are mainly just instrumental doodlings. I'm not surprised that the fans are enthusiastic about "Hippy"-- it's the only formal new song on the record! Maybe Hawkwind will surprise us and put out a studio album of all new songs some time in the near future. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com > A couple of weeks ago I purchased "HW In Your Area",released by voiceprint. > The last HW album I purchased with 'New' material on it,was Distant > Horizons a while ago,which was a major disappointment. > I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new > material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. > The 1st track.......Brainstorm!!!!!????? Now come on Dave Brock, this is > really takeing the piss! > This once great track has been well and truly flogged to death now,and this > has to be the worst version yet. The 'reggaed' middle bit with Captain Rizz > on the vocals is like something out of 'Playschool', with the > chorus....."jump up and down.....swing yourselves around......Hawkwind in > your area.........Hawkwind on your land"!!!!!! (sounds like a nursery > rhyme!!!) Whats next????? > "Out of the Shadows.........and here we go round the mulberry bush....on a > spaced out sunday morning????" > Track 3.....Another version of 'Love in Space'......much,much better > instrumentals with DB on vocals which goes on to be totally ruined with a > middle section with terrible lyrics by Captain Rizz that seems to > constantly repeat rhymes with 'ace' > eg....."open up your eyes,its time to realise,you're not the rat > race.you're the human race,so leave the rat race and join the human race,if > you want love in space,then join the human race and leave the rat race" > I've not been a great fan of Ron Tree, but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the pits. > The nice surprise is Track 8 , "hippy"............brilliant ( and I even > like Rons vocals on this one!) > > Anyone with any opinions out there? > > Mel. > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu May 11 20:59:20 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:59:20 -0400 Subject: Off: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) Message-ID: > Yesterday brother Joe and I got together with Donald (Buck Dharma) and we recorded four songs for a Helen Wheels tribute record. It really sounds terrific, not unlike the old Blue Oyster Cult. After it was over I cried, missing Helen so much. She would have loved to see this. Still I'm not complaining. It's good to be alive and I'm happy I can make some kind of positive contribution with some musicians I love and respect greatly. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu May 11 21:50:59 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:50:59 EDT Subject: HW: IN'A YOU AREA! Message-ID: In a message dated 5/11/00 7:26:08 PM, mel at MVA.U-NET.COM writes: << but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the pits. Anyone with any opinions out there?>> ======= well, shoot. mr timnjaq is rather fond of the cap'n. and i dinna wanna set him off. but i would have to concur w/you. [finger down throat] peas in our time "<>" == <> KISAKO 2K From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 12 06:07:50 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:07:50 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: Yeah. Capt. Rizz - shite Dave -----Original Message----- From: Melvyn Vincent To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 May 2000 00:26 Subject: Re: HW: IN YOU AREA! >A couple of weeks ago I purchased "HW In Your Area",released by voiceprint. >The last HW album I purchased with 'New' material on it,was Distant >Horizons a while ago,which was a major disappointment. >I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new >material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. >The 1st track.......Brainstorm!!!!!????? Now come on Dave Brock, this is >really takeing the piss! >This once great track has been well and truly flogged to death now,and this >has to be the worst version yet. The 'reggaed' middle bit with Captain Rizz >on the vocals is like something out of 'Playschool', with the >chorus....."jump up and down.....swing yourselves around......Hawkwind in >your area.........Hawkwind on your land"!!!!!! (sounds like a nursery >rhyme!!!) Whats next????? >"Out of the Shadows.........and here we go round the mulberry bush....on a >spaced out sunday morning????" >Track 3.....Another version of 'Love in Space'......much,much better >instrumentals with DB on vocals which goes on to be totally ruined with a >middle section with terrible lyrics by Captain Rizz that seems to >constantly repeat rhymes with 'ace' >eg....."open up your eyes,its time to realise,you're not the rat >race.you're the human race,so leave the rat race and join the human race,if >you want love in space,then join the human race and leave the rat race" >I've not been a great fan of Ron Tree, but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the pits. >The nice surprise is Track 8 , "hippy"............brilliant ( and I even >like Rons vocals on this one!) > >Anyone with any opinions out there? > >Mel. > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 12 06:24:28 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:24:28 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <002101bfbba7$6dc62d20$bf6040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: In article <002101bfbba7$6dc62d20$bf6040ce at pavilion>, flossbac writes > I agree that Captain Rizz is >pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love In Space is >cool, I think! It's actually one of my favorite things on the record. Yeah, Rat Race is ace. -- Jon the Human From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 12 06:51:45 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 06:51:45 EDT Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post! -_- Message-ID: AHEM. =koff= so am i the only denizen of BOC-L who has music available on....{wait for it} NAPSTER? m'sieu bouchard notwithstanding. [although now that i mention it, his take on METALLICA vs NAPSTER might prove enlightening] in the case of das ludicroix and [my prior, "real" band] disarray, the music was basically submitted to them, gratis, either by moi or the friend of mine who whipped up the mp3's. in the absence of 'gettin' paid', i thought i might as well share the music. and if the 317, 000-plus folx _hunted down_ and _blocked_ by METALLICA wanna download my stuff, be my guest. heck, you can join the 4 or 5 people who may have downloaded daslud or dsra material up to this point and we can have a party! speaking of which, something resembling das ludicroix will be appearing in an informal/outdoor party setting tomorrow [saturday], along w/daslud bassist ron scott's "real" band, segue. this'll be our only appearance prior to the mandelbrot fest in late june. and-and- nnnggghhh...i'll show 'em.....METALLICA is NOT invited! SO THERE!! write me off-group if you want directions...heh. silly and getting sillier, "<>" ==== <> KISAKO 2K From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Fri May 12 07:01:25 2000 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:01:25 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At a risk of getting flamed, I think that Rizz is ok. Maybe on a studio album he wouldn't be my thing, but seeing him live with Hawkwind he really adds to the atmosphere. Before Ron joined the band, Hawkwind were almost becoming like tangerene dream (not musically) just lurking in the backround. Live, I think the best bit of Hawkwind that I've seen in the last 10years was Rizz doing the opener "Wheels" on the 97 tour. Personnaly, I think Hawkwind are far more exciting live with the nutters like Rizz,Ron and Nik fronting them, than with Dave and the others hiding behind banks of synths etc. My 2pence/2cents worth. Cheers, Andy At 11:24 12/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >In article <002101bfbba7$6dc62d20$bf6040ce at pavilion>, flossbac > writes >> I agree that Captain Rizz is >>pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love In Space is >>cool, I think! It's actually one of my favorite things on the record. > >Yeah, Rat Race is ace. >-- >Jon the Human > > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 12 07:59:10 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:59:10 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: Ron - excellent, Nik - variable, Rizz - poor I agree with regard to the band hiding behind synths. Ron on the Alien tour was the best thing since Simon H's return in 89. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ball To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 12 May 2000 12:01 Subject: Re: HW: IN YOU AREA! >At a risk of getting flamed, I think that Rizz is ok. > >Maybe on a studio album he wouldn't be my thing, but seeing him live with >Hawkwind he really adds to the atmosphere. >Before Ron joined the band, Hawkwind were almost becoming like tangerene >dream (not musically) just lurking in the backround. >Live, I think the best bit of Hawkwind that I've seen in the last 10years >was Rizz doing the opener "Wheels" on the 97 tour. >Personnaly, I think Hawkwind are far more exciting live with the nutters >like Rizz,Ron and Nik fronting them, than with Dave and the others >hiding behind banks of synths etc. >My 2pence/2cents worth. > >Cheers, > >Andy > > > > >At 11:24 12/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >>In article <002101bfbba7$6dc62d20$bf6040ce at pavilion>, flossbac >> writes >>> I agree that Captain Rizz is >>>pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love In Space is >>>cool, I think! It's actually one of my favorite things on the record. >> >>Yeah, Rat Race is ace. >>-- >>Jon the Human >> >> > From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri May 12 08:09:31 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:09:31 -0400 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000512120125.00950700@sunf0> Message-ID: Andy: Agreed. The live show I saw in NYC would have been much less interesting without a glowing Ron and a spinning Capt Rizz. Furthermore I love to see these older songs evolve over time. my dos centavos Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Andy Ball >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 6:01 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: IN YOU AREA! > > >At a risk of getting flamed, I think that Rizz is ok. > >Maybe on a studio album he wouldn't be my thing, but seeing him live with >Hawkwind he really adds to the atmosphere. >Before Ron joined the band, Hawkwind were almost becoming like tangerene >dream (not musically) just lurking in the backround. >Live, I think the best bit of Hawkwind that I've seen in the last 10years >was Rizz doing the opener "Wheels" on the 97 tour. >Personnaly, I think Hawkwind are far more exciting live with the nutters >like Rizz,Ron and Nik fronting them, than with Dave and the others >hiding behind banks of synths etc. >My 2pence/2cents worth. > >Cheers, > >Andy > > > > >At 11:24 12/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >>In article <002101bfbba7$6dc62d20$bf6040ce at pavilion>, flossbac >> writes >>> I agree that Captain Rizz is >>>pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love >In Space is >>>cool, I think! It's actually one of my favorite things on the record. >> >>Yeah, Rat Race is ace. >>-- >>Jon the Human >> >> > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 12 10:39:50 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:50 -0500 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: on Ambient Anarchists there's that version of Living on a Knife edge, with the exact same reggae tune as that "jump up and down" part of brainstorm, and it's actually okay (yet Dave Brock did the vocals on that). Think of the creativity gap between that version of Brainstorm and the kind of improvisation done by ICU 15 years earlier. david hall wrote: > Yeah. Capt. Rizz - shite > > Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Melvyn Vincent > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: 12 May 2000 00:26 > Subject: Re: HW: IN YOU AREA! > > >A couple of weeks ago I purchased "HW In Your Area",released by voiceprint. > >The last HW album I purchased with 'New' material on it,was Distant > >Horizons a while ago,which was a major disappointment. > >I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new > >material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. > >The 1st track.......Brainstorm!!!!!????? Now come on Dave Brock, this is > >really takeing the piss! > >This once great track has been well and truly flogged to death now,and this > >has to be the worst version yet. The 'reggaed' middle bit with Captain Rizz > >on the vocals is like something out of 'Playschool', with the > >chorus....."jump up and down.....swing yourselves around......Hawkwind in > >your area.........Hawkwind on your land"!!!!!! (sounds like a nursery > >rhyme!!!) Whats next????? > >"Out of the Shadows.........and here we go round the mulberry bush....on a > >spaced out sunday morning????" > >Track 3.....Another version of 'Love in Space'......much,much better > >instrumentals with DB on vocals which goes on to be totally ruined with a > >middle section with terrible lyrics by Captain Rizz that seems to > >constantly repeat rhymes with 'ace' > >eg....."open up your eyes,its time to realise,you're not the rat > >race.you're the human race,so leave the rat race and join the human race,if > >you want love in space,then join the human race and leave the rat race" > >I've not been a great fan of Ron Tree, but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the > pits. > >The nice surprise is Track 8 , "hippy"............brilliant ( and I even > >like Rons vocals on this one!) > > > >Anyone with any opinions out there? > > > >Mel. > > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 12 09:55:20 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:55:20 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <000401bfbc09$7c6fea20$8630883e@default> Message-ID: In article <000401bfbc09$7c6fea20$8630883e at default>, david hall writes >Ron - excellent, Nik - variable, Rizz - poor >I agree with regard to the band hiding behind synths. Ron on the Alien tour >was the best thing since Simon H's return in 89. There have been many excellent line-ups without Nik, it's true. But a Hawkwind that had never had Nik in.....? IMHO, Nik is 2nd only to Dave in establishing the HW vibe, even more so than Bob or Lemmy and ICU were even more exciting than Iggy Pop, even on a good night. Honest ta gosh. -- Jon From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 12 09:17:38 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:17:38 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000512120125.00950700@sunf0> Message-ID: Well I was glad to see this album finally available in the UK. Are there any differences to the Griffin version? As regards Rizz, I can live with him on those tracks but my neck hairs throttle each other on that line "when you unveal it". I mean, what sort of word is that? Unveal? Come on! Now that someone has likened this track to Playschool, it will never be the same again. What ever happened to Derek Griffiths? Anyway, IYA is the best thing the band have done for a long time and streets ahead of DH (IMO of course). Mark In message <3.0.5.32.20000512120125.00950700 at sunf0>, Andy Ball writes >At a risk of getting flamed, I think that Rizz is ok. > > >Andy From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Fri May 12 10:38:47 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (ciwsolutions) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:38:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert SF Poetry publication Message-ID: Thought some people might want to know about this Cheers, ChrisW NP:SRV/Texas Flood (re-issue w/bonus tracks) From:The BBR Directory No.20 - April/May 2000 **GNAWING MEDUSA'S FLESH: THE SCIENCE FICTION POETRY OF ROBERT CALVERT by Steve Sneyd & David Jones (aka DATA DUMP #40/#41), ISBN 0-905262-21-2, A5, 52pp, ?2:99/$7 (USA orders in cash or stamps of 50? or less) from Steve Sneyd, Hilltop Press, 4 Nowell Place, Almondbury, Huddersfield HD5 8PB. Over a decade after Calvert's death, the importance of the legendary Hawkwind frontman's contribution to science fiction poetry at last receives due recognition in this appraisal of his life and work. By exploring his lyrics and poems in depth, and placing them in the context of his extraordinary creative activity, this book revales how the ultimate space rock icon was a true prophet of his age. List-URL: List-Archive: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: (BBR Directory Editor) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 10:54:50 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:54:50 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: MissileCommand's message of Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: MissileCommand writes: > on Ambient Anarchists there's that version of Living on a Knife edge, > with the exact same reggae tune as that "jump up and down" part of > brainstorm The Camera That Could Lie. I've made a segue of a live version of that track into the Brainstorm section frim IYA. It works pretty well. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 12 11:29:57 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post! -_- In-Reply-To: <37.510a4ca.264d3c41@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => AHEM. => =koff= => => so am i the only denizen of BOC-L who has music available => on....{wait for it} NAPSTER? m'sieu bouchard notwithstanding. => [although now that i mention it, his take on METALLICA vs NAPSTER => might prove enlightening] in the case of das ludicroix and [my => prior, "real" band] disarray, the music was basically submitted to => them, gratis, either by moi or the friend of mine who whipped up => the mp3's. in the absence of 'gettin' paid', i thought i might as => well share the music. => => and if the 317, 000-plus folx _hunted down_ and _blocked_ by => METALLICA wanna download my stuff, be my guest. heck, you can join => the 4 or 5 people who may have downloaded daslud or dsra material => up to this point and we can have a party! I just had a skeg on napster for your music, but couldn't find anything. I searched for "das ludicroix," "daslud," and "disarray," but all turned up nothing. Not to be denied, I noticed in the MOTD when connecting to the official napster server from my client (gnapster) the following note (tucked right down at the bottom): >>>>> Be Heard! Napster provides maximum exposure for the unsigned artist. --> Want to promote your music on Napster? --> Surf to http://artist.napster.com/ to find out how! <<<<< So, I duly "surfed" on over to that WWW site and discovered I could search for artistes. In fact, the search box informed me: Type in a specific artist name to search for new artists. Or, enter the name of a popular musician to find new artists that sound similar. Again, I entered "das ludicroix," "daslud," and "disarray," but each time I got "Your search returned no results." :-( (I guess that's that "maximum exposure for the unsigned artist" working overtime.;) Could you provide me with a couple of song titles, so I could search for those on napster? Maybe I just searched at a bad time, but last time I searched I turned up nothing, too. I'm beginning to think that napster is not the utopian service people are having me believe... ;-) Cheers, Paul. PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." Only one artist was professed similar to Blue Oyster Cult: "Door64." PPS: I couldn't find anything on napster by Al Bouchard, either, unless you count about three dozen BOC tracks (about 75% of which were "(Don't Fear) The Reaper"---yeah, we need more exposure for that obscure song!:), and I doubt they were made available with permission... e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 12 12:40:08 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: > > PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah > Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube oscillator :) ) and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 12 11:45:37 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:45:37 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- In-Reply-To: <391C33E8.D189BF4@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000, MissileCommand wrote: => > PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah => > Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." => => Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube oscillator => :) ) and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. Okay then, so what exactly is a "throomaprogadelic heavy metal band?" ;-) Cheers, Paul. PS: Couldn't find any "Acid Wench" songs on napster, nor even on the WWW site linked from their artist.napster.com entry. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri May 12 11:50:23 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:50:23 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- In-Reply-To: <391C33E8.D189BF4@softhome.net> Message-ID: For some good music go to www.MP3.com and do a search on Hawkwind. You get some great bands incl some that performed at Strange Daze. I burned a CD last year of some of "suggested" bands i.e. if you like Hawkwind you will like this suggested band, I don't have it with me at work so I cant tell you what bands I downloaded. And the neat thing is that you are not violating any copyrights! LOL. Like I care. Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of MissileCommand >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:40 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this >post!-_- > > >> >> PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah >> Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." > >Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube >oscillator >:) ) and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. > From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri May 12 12:04:46 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:04:46 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: > I'm beginning to think that napster is not the utopian service people > are having me believe... ;-) The way Napster works is that it is built on a network of individual Napster program owners who specify locations on their computers from which files can be downloaded. If a Napster program owner is not on-line, then the files he/she has made available when on-line cannot be accessed. From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri May 12 12:13:29 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:29 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [spacerockers] Travel Plans Message-ID: http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Sloterdijk at webtv.net Subject: [spacerockers] Travel Plans Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Size: 4507 URL: From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 12 13:24:16 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:24:16 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in thispost!-_- Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, MissileCommand wrote: > > => > PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah > => > Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." > => > => Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube oscillator > => :) ) and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. > > Okay then, so what exactly is a "throomaprogadelic heavy metal > band?" ;-) thrash/doom/progressive/pschedelic maybe? > > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Couldn't find any "Acid Wench" songs on napster, nor even on the WWW > site linked from their artist.napster.com entry. Yeah they said something about not having any good enough recordings yet...doing a demo soon though. They were scheduled to be on a Motorhead tribute album (see http://www.imotorhead.com/index2.htm) as well but I don't think they're getting around to it ever. A few months ago they opened for Wesley Willis , it was great!- though they really didn't understand what an honor that was. > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri May 12 12:26:47 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:26:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Using Napster Message-ID: Well, you can always repeatedly disconnect and reconnect in hopes of finding someone on a different Napster server who is carrying the music you're looking for. Also, for the BOC problem, try adding someone carrying a non-Reaper song to your "hotlist"...that will allow you to look over all the songs that person has available, which may include lots of other BOC tracks that didn't show up on the BOC search thanks to the 100 item limit. Here's a question for those with more Napster experience than I have: is there any way to contact the listed users directly? That would be VERY helpful, but I have yet to figure out how to do that, if there is in fact a way...thanks! Steven Tice From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri May 12 12:26:35 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:26:35 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post! -_- Message-ID: While I have gotten a FEW good tunes from Napster, I find it similar to requesting a song from an Album-Oriented-Rock radio station...if it's "popular", then they have it. If it's not...look somewhere else. Another problem I run into FREQUENTLY is that even when I find a tune I want, and I can connect and start a download, the transfer rate is as low as 0.4k/s. I must add that when I get a good connection at a good speed, Napster is very cool. Sitting here in Minnesota, I am Todd Hong -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:05 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- > I'm beginning to think that napster is not the utopian service people > are having me believe... ;-) The way Napster works is that it is built on a network of individual Napster program owners who specify locations on their computers from which files can be downloaded. If a Napster program owner is not on-line, then the files he/she has made available when on-line cannot be accessed. From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri May 12 12:34:25 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:34:25 -0400 Subject: Stonehenge re-opened Message-ID: This story appeared in my local paper this morning.. May 12th ,"The Times", Trenton New Jersey, United States. The only source indicator is "From news service reports"...Peace, Mike London- The public will be able to greet the dawn of the millenium's first summer at the ancient stone circle of Stonehenge, the first time in 16 years the site has been opened for the summer solstice. Stonehenge will be opened the night of June 20 for eight hours under tight security, the watchdog body English Heritage anounced yesterday. Camping, fires, dogs and amplified music will be forbidden at the site on Salisbury Plain, 80 miles southwest of London. In the past, Stonhenge- a stone circle erected by prehistoric Britons 5,000 years ago- has been a magnet for unruly revelers. http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri May 12 12:43:23 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:43:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Using Napster Message-ID: The latest version of Napster allows one to chat with list users....kinda like Instant Messenger. This is very helpful when trying to download a large file to attempt to get the user not to go off-line in the middle of a download (I hate that!). As a song is downloading, you can also listen to it. As with the previous version, you can change the 100 item limit in Preferences. Steven Tice wrote: > Well, you can always repeatedly disconnect and reconnect in hopes of finding > someone on a different Napster server who is carrying the music you're > looking for. Also, for the BOC problem, try adding someone carrying a > non-Reaper song to your "hotlist"...that will allow you to look over all the > songs that person has available, which may include lots of other BOC tracks > that didn't show up on the BOC search thanks to the 100 item limit. > > Here's a question for those with more Napster experience than I have: is > there any way to contact the listed users directly? That would be VERY > helpful, but I have yet to figure out how to do that, if there is in fact a > way...thanks! > > Steven Tice From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 12 13:07:23 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:07:23 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- In-Reply-To: <391C2B9D.F3687F78@petronet.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000, Tom Clark wrote: => > I'm beginning to think that napster is not the utopian service people => > are having me believe... ;-) => => The way Napster works is that it is built on a network of individual Napster => program owners who specify locations on their computers from which files can => be downloaded. If a Napster program owner is not on-line, then the files => he/she has made available when on-line cannot be accessed. I understood that apsect of it. I guess I just expected that Napster themselves would have a hosting site of their own, for the poor starving artistes and all that, but, reading further on artist.napster.com reveals that they don't. This leaves me wondering: what is the difference between Napster and IRC w/DCC downloads (disclaimer: I am not an IRC user), other than its files are limited to MPEG audio, and it is searchable in a crude fashion? (I.e., what is all the fuss about?:) I only tried out Napster very recently, after all the recent brouhaha, but, other than a source of getting pirated popular music, it doesn't seem all that up to much (unless you are a fan of chat systems, and then it seems to be pretty vanilla in that aspect). It seems to me that outfits like www.mp3.com, and mailing lists like BOC-L are much better bets at reliably locating out-of-the-way music. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri May 12 13:33:41 2000 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:33:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Using Napster Message-ID: Subject: OFF: Using Napster > Well, you can always repeatedly disconnect and reconnect in hopes of finding > someone on a different Napster server who is carrying the music you're > looking for. There is a program I found on the net that allows you to choose which server you use. It can be found at http://www.napigator.com/ and it works. It means that when looking for that obscure album track you can work your way through the servers untill you find someone who has it. Si From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 12 14:05:26 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:05:26 -0700 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500, MissileCommand wrote: >Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube oscillator >:) ) Tube Oscillator?!? Tell me more! I found an old Philco tube signal generator in the weeds behind my building a couple years ago, but I've never tried to get it to work. One of these days ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com >and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 12 14:15:05 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:15:05 -0700 Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: My definition of "80's" Hawkwind would be "the Huw years", so the "best-of-the-80s" tape I made a while ago stretches from 'Live 79' to 'Xenon Codex', with 'Church of Hawkwind' counted as a Brock solo album (hence no inclusions). I can't remember if it's a c90 or c100, but here's my list ... side A ------ 1. Shot Down In The Night (live) 2. Motorway City (live) 3. Who's Gonna Win The War? (single version) 4. Levitation 5. Angels of Death (single version) 6. Living on a Knife Edge 7. Coded Languages 8. Choose Your Masques 9. Farenheit 451 side B ------ 1. Night of the Hawks (12" version) 2. Ghost Dance ('Hawkfan 12'/'Elf&Hawk' version) 3. Stonehenge Decoded (live) 4. Watching the Grass Grow (live) 5. Needle Gun 6. Sleep of a Thousand Tears 7. Moonglum (live) 8. The War I Survived 9. Heads 10.Good Evening -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:54:45 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >1.Sonic Attack--the studio/song version! >2.Rocky Paths >3.Angels of Death >4.Living on a Knife Edge >5.Lost Chances >6.Transdimentional Man >7.Nuclear Drive >8.Star Cannibal >9.Phenomenon of Luminosity >10.The Church >11.Light Specific Data >12.Choose Your Masques >13.Dream Worker >14.Void City >15.The Island >16.Levitation >17.Stonehenge Decoded >18.Shade Gate >19.The War I Survived (Live) >20.Arioch >21.Shade Gate >22.Rocky Paths >23.Conjuration of Magnu/Magnu >24.Dust of Time >25.Cajun Jinx >26.Ejection >27.Assassins of Allah >28.Ghost Dance (and Undisclosed Files version) >29.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Griffin CD) >30.Neon Skyline From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 12 14:41:04 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:41:04 -0700 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000 00:27:30 +0100, Melvyn Vincent wrote: >I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new >material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. >The 1st track.......Brainstorm!!!!!????? Now come on Dave Brock, this is >really takeing the piss! At this point, all I can assume is that Dave wants to ensure that Nik has a steady flow of songwriting royalties from all 18 versions of "Brainstorm" that have come out on various live albums. Either that, or Dave's trying to spread so many versions around that Nik will never be able to track all his royalties down! >This once great track has been well and truly flogged to death now,and this >has to be the worst version yet. The 'reggaed' middle bit with Captain Rizz >on the vocals is like something out of 'Playschool', with the >chorus....."jump up and down.....swing yourselves around......Hawkwind in >your area.........Hawkwind on your land"!!!!!! (sounds like a nursery >rhyme!!!) I agree that this is Rizz at his worst. Thoroughly embarassing, and far more annoying (to me, at least) than Nik at his 82-84 wackiest. >The nice surprise is Track 8 , "hippy"............brilliant ( and I even >like Rons vocals on this one!) It's good to know that they can still come up with a classic, although I find it a bit disconcerting that both it and the best songs on 'Distant Horizons' ("Wheels", "Reptoid Vision", "Alchemy") were all written without Dave's involvement. Up through 'Alien4', even if other members made good contributions, the best song on almost every album was always a Brock composition. I think this song represents a more "mature" Ron and I certainly look forward to his future work with Hawkwind. On Thu, 11 May 2000 19:17:14 -0500, flossbac wrote: >Well I actually rather liked In Your Area.... I agree that Captain Rizz is >pretty execrable, but the "Rat Race" rant in the bridge of Love In Space is >cool, I think! ... Speaking of psychedelia--that live snippet called "I am >the Reptoid" is one of the most freaked-out sounding things I've heard in >ages. I gotta agree on both accounts. Rizz is pretty OK on both "Rat Race" and "I am the Reptoid". I still gotta get around to getting a Passport so I can get 'Hawkwind 1997' for its versions of "Reptoid Vision" and "Phetamine Street" (yeah, I like Ron - so sue me!). On Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:50 -0500, MissileCommand wrote: >Think of the creativity gap between that version of Brainstorm and the kind of >improvisation done by ICU 15 years earlier. Yes! If you haven't heard the ICU mkII live version of "Brainstorm", by all means surf over to Steve Pond's website http://www.doremi.co.uk right now and download the MP3! (nobody will even whine about you stealing their royalties!) The "Ghost Dance"-style chants and bizarre turntable manipulations are far more interesting (and groundbreaking! live DJ's in a rock band are commonplace these days, but in 1985?!?) than Hawkwind's reggae bit. Although I'd rather have the reggae bit than the completely empty-sounding middle section as on 'Zones'. I was greatly relieved that the "Brainstorm" midsection on 'Collector Series: Choose Your Masques Live' is much better than the one on 'Zones' (despite the tape problems *sigh*). On Fri, 12 May 2000 14:55:20 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >IMHO, Nik is 2nd only to Dave in establishing the HW vibe, even more so >than Bob or Lemmy and ICU were even more exciting than Iggy Pop, even on >a good night. Honest ta gosh. That's very high praise, but I'll agree. Wish I could have ever seen ICU in their day, though ... Certainly these days, Nik is a far more exciting performer than Iggy. But yeah, I'm not dissatisfied with 'In Your Area'. I could have done with less Rizz and more than one truly fine new song (that IS better than anything on 'Distant Horizons' IMO), but I'm not complaining ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 12 13:55:57 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:55:57 +0100 Subject: HW: IN'A YOU AREA! Message-ID: ><< but this Cap'n Rizz stuff is the pits. Anyone with any opinions out there?>> ======= well, shoot. mr timnjaq is rather fond of the cap'n. and i dinna wanna set him off.< S'true - I admit it. I like cross-polination of music. I recently got to hear some Mandragora; Arabic hard core dance electronics with a fiddle player and a Captain Rizz character as well - brilliant. The Baron gets full marks from me for experimenting with this kind of thing. T From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 12 15:31:29 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:31:29 -0500 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000512114104.0099a380@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: All "greats" record records in this manner; Santana,Frank Zappa, White Witch etc., live/studio. Also by proxy as in Yes now. >>I much prefer 'In your Area' overall, even though it's not all new >>material. However I do have a few major moans about some of the tracks. > From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 12 15:34:23 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:34:23 -0500 Subject: HW: '80s In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000512111505.009a11f0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: *****************Beautiful tape, man.***************** Bama At 11:15 AM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >My definition of "80's" Hawkwind would be "the Huw years", so the >"best-of-the-80s" tape I made a while ago stretches from 'Live 79' to >'Xenon Codex', with 'Church of Hawkwind' counted as a Brock solo album >(hence no inclusions). I can't remember if it's a c90 or c100, but here's >my list ... > >side A >------ >1. Shot Down In The Night (live) >2. Motorway City (live) >3. Who's Gonna Win The War? (single version) >4. Levitation >5. Angels of Death (single version) >6. Living on a Knife Edge >7. Coded Languages >8. Choose Your Masques >9. Farenheit 451 > >side B >------ >1. Night of the Hawks (12" version) >2. Ghost Dance ('Hawkfan 12'/'Elf&Hawk' version) >3. Stonehenge Decoded (live) >4. Watching the Grass Grow (live) >5. Needle Gun >6. Sleep of a Thousand Tears >7. Moonglum (live) >8. The War I Survived >9. Heads >10.Good Evening > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > >On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:54:45 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >>1.Sonic Attack--the studio/song version! >>2.Rocky Paths >>3.Angels of Death >>4.Living on a Knife Edge >>5.Lost Chances >>6.Transdimentional Man >>7.Nuclear Drive >>8.Star Cannibal >>9.Phenomenon of Luminosity >>10.The Church >>11.Light Specific Data >>12.Choose Your Masques >>13.Dream Worker >>14.Void City >>15.The Island >>16.Levitation >>17.Stonehenge Decoded >>18.Shade Gate >>19.The War I Survived (Live) >>20.Arioch >>21.Shade Gate >>22.Rocky Paths >>23.Conjuration of Magnu/Magnu >>24.Dust of Time >>25.Cajun Jinx >>26.Ejection >>27.Assassins of Allah >>28.Ghost Dance (and Undisclosed Files version) >>29.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Griffin CD) >>30.Neon Skyline > From shmucking at YAHOO.COM Fri May 12 17:09:03 2000 From: shmucking at YAHOO.COM (Ian Rosen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:09:03 -0700 Subject: HW: 80's stuff Message-ID: I made a tape of later Hawkwind stuff and I put a lot of stuff from their album The Xenon Codex. To me, that's a great album. I love almost every song on it. Also, I put on some favorites from Levitation (title song, Who's Gonna Win the War, Motorway City, Dust of Time, World of Tiers) and I also like their song "Dangerous Visions" (from Zones). Ian PS - if you want to see a website where they have reviews on a number of Hawkwind albums, as well as some heavy metal bands (including Venom, a band I am very fond of), go to http://www.chedsey.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 12 17:17:46 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:17:46 +0100 Subject: Stonehenge re-opened In-Reply-To: <28917-391C3291-473@storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: In message <28917-391C3291-473 at storefull-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, SLOTERDIJK writes >London- The public will be able to greet the dawn of the millenium's >first summer at the ancient stone circle of Stonehenge, the first time >in 16 years the site has been opened for the summer solstice. Stonehenge >will be opened the night of June 20 for eight hours under tight >security, the watchdog body English Heritage anounced yesterday. >Camping, fires, dogs and amplified music will be forbidden at the site >on Salisbury Plain, 80 miles southwest of London. In the past, >Stonhenge- a stone circle erected by prehistoric Britons 5,000 years >ago- has been a magnet for unruly revelers. That's a goddam lie! Tripping my tits off maybe, but never unruly and always *most* respeckful.... -- Jon From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri May 12 17:57:37 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:57:37 EDT Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! Message-ID: Andy Ball wrote "..I think HW are more exiting live with the nutters like...."... Well... I agree totally...HW need the Niks , Bobs , Rons ...Yes ...and Rizz's of this world ....thats the essence of Hw live as far as i;m concerned. Oh yeh...Should 've added Bridgit and Harvey to that list.....Dave has never been a real fan of the "Frontman" approach if you loisten to or read his interviews (Which is painfully obvious when you see him tucked away behind his Keys, even when hes playing his guitar)..(Come out more often if youre reading this Dave !!), but all of my favourite moments of HW live have been "Nutter" fired ! Eg Harveys inspired psychedelic rants in the middle of really spacey key work (Live legends video gives you a taste if you've never seen one) Bob raging,dressed like some dapper victorian gent on Steppenwolf, or Wide eyed and manic swinging a sabre dressed as a Valentino Shiekh. Nik playing at Brixton after the band have gone off stage ..Ranting something unintelligible and playing silver machine solo even though the Mikes are turned off and the Houselights are up....Also the tie dyed grandad undies painted face,mohican ,black eyemask, and Hub cap around his neck being forced into a straight jacket during Brainstorm...Oh and the nude dancer competitions during the encore's Bridgits wonderfully psychedelic mime/dance/pose and (Improvised ?)poetry...Not always obviously relevant to whatever else is going on on stage !! Ron in that wolfskin during Steppenwolf..(OK he needs to be told he's not Bob !)...Or practically any moment of his stage presence during the Alien Tour !!! ..Pure Magic !! And Rizz...Yeh, I admit I was not a fan in the early days ..not the best support act theyve ever had , But the totally unexpected manifestation of the weird shamanistic raver he'd mutated into in '97 was worth the entrance fee alone...He was just totally unexpected and so was the Cod Reggae rant of IYA ...True psychedelia , the way the two styles clashed together..KNow what I mean ?..I've never been a fan of Daves liking for Dub reggae bursts...I dont think it suits the band generally,and ,although i love real Dub,I think its done better by the real masters...Burning spear, Mad Proffesor,King Tubby, Cimmarrons (Makka ...Now theres a mega dub reggae album!!)...But,occassionally,when you dont expect it, when it doesnt become too self indulgent, and when its got a bit of an edge too it by being put in an odd place, it sort of works...and for my money it worked best for HW on the 97 tour because of Rizz.Probably because for they had someone who really had a feeling for it. IMHO theres only ever been one good white dub reggae act...RDF....and god where they something else...2 bass players on at least 1 occassion ! Oh well ..sorry if I've Misrecollected some of the above but thats the way I recall it. The only other thing on the subject I'd like to add is general agreement on the theme that what works live doesnt always work on record...and I think HW have proved that very well on many occassions ! All the best Fly Hawkwind !!! Al From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri May 12 18:12:54 2000 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:12:54 EDT Subject: White Witch (Info request) Message-ID: Wow ...another White witch fan !!!any one know if the band are still together or if there are more albums than Spiritual greeting and Class of 2ooo(I think thats what its called..I had mine stolen years ago!!) ..Anyone know of any White witch Websites ? Mp3s ? If you know of any thing let me know !!. Ps did either of the Capricorn Albums make it on to CD? From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 12 19:07:27 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:07:27 -0500 Subject: White Witch (Info request) In-Reply-To: <57.598c6e4.264ddbe6@aol.com> Message-ID: haven't heard of any WW reunion or a peep for that matter.. i checked that w/Atlanta! Capricorn both CDs at CDNow.com Straight from GA. USA Bama At 06:12 PM 05/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: > Wow ...another White witch fan !!!any one know if the band are still >together or if there are more albums than Spiritual greeting and Class of >2ooo(I think thats what its called..I had mine stolen years ago!!) ..Anyone >know of any White witch Websites ? Mp3s ? > If you know of any thing let me know !!. > Ps did either of the Capricorn Albums make it on to CD? > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 12 20:24:02 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:24:02 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in thispost!-_- Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000 11:40:08 -0500, MissileCommand > wrote: > >Hey I know Acid Wench! They covered Sonic Attack (with me on tube oscillator > >:) ) > > Tube Oscillator?!? Tell me more! I don't have it with me at the moment to give the specs but it's a nice austere design, late 60's era, has sine/square wave functions and a range of (I think) 0-50kHz. It's tuned with a single geared-down dial, making its use limited for music, but I've been toying with the idea of modifying it to do sweeps or take a control signal. When I used it with Acid Wench I just patched it directly to an amplifier (-question about that. ..got it from the physics lab when I was in high school. They claimed it didn't work but all I had to do was open it up and adjust a pot... I took it back in the next day to show up the snotty prof. and guess what? - another student thought it was a bomb and became hysterical, resulting in my suspension! (he asked me if it was indeed a bomb, and I replied in the affirmative, thinking he was joking of course. What kind of bomb has a power cord dangling from it?! fukkin stupid kids.) > I found an old Philco tube signal > generator in the weeds behind my building a couple years ago, but I've > never tried to get it to work. One of these days ... What's it do? Isn't it amazing what you find lying around? Some of my favorite possesions are rescued from the trash. Recently I found a pristine condition 1955 US military frequency meter, weighing 90lb and having all sorts of blinking lights and a even a tiny built in oscilloscope! The sheet metal-bound instruction manual explains how to destroy it in case of enemy take-over! Uses a crystal oven refererence oscillator- a modern equivalent would still cost about $500 (and still not be blast proof!). > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > >and happen to 'like' Hawkwind, so I suppose that's accurate enough. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri May 12 20:35:41 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:35:41 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears inthispost!-_- Message-ID: correction from my last post: > (-question about that. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ignore (didn't fully delete a line) From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Fri May 12 20:44:00 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: Off: Djam Karat Message-ID: Hi: This message is for Chuck in FL. I misplaced your email. I found McMusic for the McMasses. Please email me privately at mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com Mike Habiby From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 12 21:52:52 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:52:52 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > following note (tucked right down at the bottom): > > >>>>> > Be Heard! Napster provides maximum exposure for the unsigned artist. > --> Want to promote your music on Napster? > --> Surf to http://artist.napster.com/ to find out how! > <<<<< > > So, I duly "surfed" on over to that WWW site and discovered I could > search for artistes. In fact, the search box informed me: > > Type in a specific artist name to search for new > artists. Or, enter the name of a popular musician to > find new artists that sound similar. > > Again, I entered "das ludicroix," "daslud," and "disarray," but each > time I got "Your search returned no results." :-( (I guess that's that > "maximum exposure for the unsigned artist" working overtime.;) > Why am I not surprised? > I'm beginning to think that napster is not the utopian service people > are having me believe... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Searches for artists similar to "hawkwind" yielded "Tubilah > Dog," "Undesire," and "Acid Wench." Only one artist was professed > similar to Blue Oyster Cult: "Door64." > > PPS: I couldn't find anything on napster by Al Bouchard, either, unless > you count about three dozen BOC tracks (about 75% of which were "(Don't > Fear) The Reaper"---yeah, we need more exposure for that obscure > song!:), and I doubt they were made available with permission... This whole debate is ludicrous. Napster provides exposure for new artists as long as you name is Metallica or Madonna or Korn or any other popular group who needs more exposure like a trapanation job. From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Fri May 12 18:20:14 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:20:14 -0000 Subject: HW In Your Area Message-ID: Well, you asked so... Melvyn wrote: Hi Al, It's good to see something positive begin to come out of such a personal tragedy. Did all of you go back and record HWB tunes you and/or Joe had recorded in the past, like on Architype? Or are they tunes that Helen wrote lyrics for, but for some reason were never put on record? Or did you write these fresh with Joe and Buck as a personal tribute? Brian >Yesterday brother Joe and I got together with Donald (Buck Dharma) and we >recorded four songs for a Helen Wheels tribute record. It really sounds >terrific, not unlike the old Blue Oyster Cult. After it was over I cried, >missing Helen so much. She would have loved to see this. Still I'm not >complaining. It's good to be alive and I'm happy I can make some kind ofpositive contribution with some >musicians I love and respect greatly. ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri May 12 23:40:49 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:40:49 -0400 Subject: White Witch (Info request) Message-ID: White Witch! Heard one song, one time, about 16 or 17 years ago. How come I still remember the words to class of 2000? Hahahaha RJ -----Original Message----- From: Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:09 PM Subject: Re: White Witch (Info request) >haven't heard of any WW reunion or a peep for that matter.. >i checked that w/Atlanta! Capricorn both CDs at CDNow.com >Straight from GA. USA > Bama > >At 06:12 PM 05/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >> Wow ...another White witch fan !!!any one know if the band are still >>together or if there are more albums than Spiritual greeting and Class of >>2ooo(I think thats what its called..I had mine stolen years ago!!) ..Anyone >>know of any White witch Websites ? Mp3s ? >> If you know of any thing let me know !!. >> Ps did either of the Capricorn Albums make it on to CD? >> From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 13 07:08:35 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:08:35 GMT Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: >This whole debate is ludicrous. Napster provides exposure for new artists >as long as you name is Metallica or Madonna or Korn or any other popular >group who needs more exposure like a trapanation job. Eh? Napster is about complete illegality, ie, sharing MP3 files. Anyone who's online with Napster can see the MP3's belonging to anyone else who's online with Napster. So if you search for your own band and find no matches.....nobody has your MP3 files. Simple as that. Don't be shooting the messenger or anything. There's a facility in the Napster front-end for looking at the MP3's on one person's computer, surely this is where this "promoting new bands" nonsense comes in - if you find that you're downloading a lot of MP3's from one particular user, you look and see what else he/she's got, because you've begun to share his/her taste...that's when you download artists you've never heard of, and that's when you'll download his band's songs...... And of course Metallica are gonna have millions of references, it'll just reflect their album sales, same with the BOC big three. there is no s'gottabomb ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat May 13 08:30:22 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:30:22 EDT Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/00 7:10:13 AM, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << So if you search for your own band and find no matches.....nobody has your MP3 files. Simple as that. Don't be shooting the messenger or anything. ===== not _quite_ so simple, perhaps.... as i recall, as remaining brain cells allow, someone sent me the napster link some time back; i responded to said link w/ one das ludicroix track. now, my pal kermit, the guy who made all the mp3's pour moi, made his _entire collexion_ available to napster, which included the first UK cassette by das ludicroix, "jammed and stoning", and a couple 'dummy' disarray cd's which a friend put together pour moi. if napster requires the supplying folx to be online when downloads happen, heh, kermit, along w/my dear friend heidi, went to maine until summer's end....and he doesnt appear to be online. = _why_ don't i know how napster conducts their transactions? because i couldnt care less. mp3's are a waste of space, IMO, and the only ones i possess happen to be selections i played on. and kermit, being incommunicado, has _far_ more than moi. i have two das ludicroix trax, two dsra trax, and the scylding material i recorded w/carl anderson in '95. my main concern regarding napster [in my post from yesterday,] involved the potentially-sinister implications of the phrase "hunted down and blocked".....to the tune of over 317, 000 computers. ==>>and _none_ of y'all are troubled by this? blah blah etc larry b dsra das ludicroix "<>" == ps> considering the recent devastation by fire of los alamos, NM, 'twould seem we of BOC-L showed admirable restraint in not referring to a certain song by BOC. and you _know_ which one i mean. === <> KISAKO 2K From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat May 13 09:25:28 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:25:28 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- In-Reply-To: <20.5db8307.264ea4de@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 May 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => my main concern regarding napster [in my post from yesterday,] involved the => potentially-sinister implications of the phrase "hunted down and => blocked".....to the tune of over 317, 000 computers. => => ==>>and _none_ of y'all are troubled by this? Not really, as it appears to be par for the course for Napster. I guess most people usually ignore MOTD files, but these two little lines in the MOTD for the official site caused my eyebrows to raise a tad: >>>>> -- NO BOTS ARE ALLOWED ON THIS SERVICE. IF YOU RUN ONE HERE, -- -- IT WILL BE BLOCKED AND YOUR IP WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNED. -- <<<<< I find it amusing that this routine blocking policy is quietly brushed aside by Napster whilst rigtheous indignation surrounds those "hunted down and blocked [for copying illegal files]." (The thing is, bots can be benign as well as harassing, but apparently they're all evil according to Napster, so expell them...) Besides, did they ban 317,000 computers or 317,000 users? If the latter, surely the 317,000 can simply re-register under a new name and carry on business as usual? If the former, then they are unfairly discriminating against people on multi-user systems and those behind firewalls! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat May 13 09:47:48 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:47:48 -0400 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- In-Reply-To: <20000513110835.34817.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 May 2000, Zebulon Mysterioso wrote: => >This whole debate is ludicrous. Napster provides exposure for new artists => >as long as you name is Metallica or Madonna or Korn or any other popular => >group who needs more exposure like a trapanation job. => => Eh? => Napster is about complete illegality, ie, sharing MP3 files. Sharing MP3 files is not illegal per se, but in my brief observations of Napster, I'd hazard a guess that the large bulk of those being shared *are* shared illegally. :-) => So if you search for your own band and find no matches.....nobody has your => MP3 files. Simple as that. Don't be shooting the messenger or anything. => => There's a facility in the Napster front-end for looking at the MP3's on one => person's computer, surely this is where this "promoting new bands" nonsense => comes in - if you find that you're downloading a lot of MP3's from one => particular user, you look and see what else he/she's got, because you've => begun to share his/her taste...that's when you download artists you've never => heard of, and that's when you'll download his band's songs...... That's not the Napster official line. The "promoting new artists" is a convenient excuse for them to hide behind, something to legitimise everything on their annual report to shareholders (assuming they now go ahead with their IPO:). (You have to admit, it reads a little better than "facilitating unrestricted copying of MP3s d00d!.":) In their MOTD they say: >>>>> Be Heard! Napster provides maximum exposure for the unsigned artist. --> Want to promote your music on Napster? --> Surf to http://artist.napster.com/ to find out how! <<<<< Reading "how" reveals their support of unsigned artists is a complete joke. The only part Napster help with is that they allow you to have a little crib card entry on their WWW site, and, of course, people can search for your files via Napster assuming *you* arrange good connectivity for them to be online. Napster appear to forget that "exposure" includes providing information about the band; photos; gig dates; discographies; lyrics; contact information etc. Well, they don't actually forget, they just tell you you need to use someone else for all that. That's why I think services like www.mp3.com do a much better job of providing "maximum exposure for the unsigned artist" because it's a "whole deal" kind of affair. => And of course Metallica are gonna have millions of references, it'll just => reflect their album sales, same with the BOC big three. But what if, say, Metallica or BOC *don't* want to be "promoted" via Napster (or only want old or certain songs to be "promoted" on there)? Is there any mechanism to allow that? I don't really have a position against Napster. I'm just sick of their "holier than thou" attitude. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri May 12 17:28:54 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:28:54 +0100 Subject: HW: '80s In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000512143423.00687144@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: I'm quite surprised that neither of you included "On Arrival In Utopia", which at the time was easily my favourite track on Choose Your Masques. It probably still is, too. Also, the live version of "Shade Gate" works really well in compilation tapes, IMO. Dave. At 20:34 12/05/00 , Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: > *****************Beautiful tape, man.***************** > Bama >At 11:15 AM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>My definition of "80's" Hawkwind would be "the Huw years", so the >>"best-of-the-80s" tape I made a while ago stretches from 'Live 79' to >>'Xenon Codex', with 'Church of Hawkwind' counted as a Brock solo album >>(hence no inclusions). I can't remember if it's a c90 or c100, but here's >>my list ... >> >>side A >>------ >>1. Shot Down In The Night (live) >>2. Motorway City (live) >>3. Who's Gonna Win The War? (single version) >>4. Levitation >>5. Angels of Death (single version) >>6. Living on a Knife Edge >>7. Coded Languages >>8. Choose Your Masques >>9. Farenheit 451 >> >>side B >>------ >>1. Night of the Hawks (12" version) >>2. Ghost Dance ('Hawkfan 12'/'Elf&Hawk' version) >>3. Stonehenge Decoded (live) >>4. Watching the Grass Grow (live) >>5. Needle Gun >>6. Sleep of a Thousand Tears >>7. Moonglum (live) >>8. The War I Survived >>9. Heads >>10.Good Evening >> >> -Doug >> ceres at sirius.com >> >>On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:54:45 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >>>1.Sonic Attack--the studio/song version! >>>2.Rocky Paths >>>3.Angels of Death >>>4.Living on a Knife Edge >>>5.Lost Chances >>>6.Transdimentional Man >>>7.Nuclear Drive >>>8.Star Cannibal >>>9.Phenomenon of Luminosity >>>10.The Church >>>11.Light Specific Data >>>12.Choose Your Masques >>>13.Dream Worker >>>14.Void City >>>15.The Island >>>16.Levitation >>>17.Stonehenge Decoded >>>18.Shade Gate >>>19.The War I Survived (Live) >>>20.Arioch >>>21.Shade Gate >>>22.Rocky Paths >>>23.Conjuration of Magnu/Magnu >>>24.Dust of Time >>>25.Cajun Jinx >>>26.Ejection >>>27.Assassins of Allah >>>28.Ghost Dance (and Undisclosed Files version) >>>29.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Griffin CD) >>>30.Neon Skyline >> From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat May 13 10:30:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:30:56 +1000 Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: At 10:28 PM 5/12/00 +0100, Dave Berry wrote: >I'm quite surprised that neither of you included "On Arrival In Utopia", which at the time was easily my favourite track on Choose Your Masques. It probably still is, too. I thought the same thing. I don't even own Choose Your Masques any more (I'm not exactly sure how that happened: I think I was over-enthusiastic in one of my mega LP sellouts), but that was certainly the strongest song on it, IMO, last time I heard it, anyway. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat May 13 11:51:37 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:51:37 -0500 Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: > At 10:28 PM 5/12/00 +0100, Dave Berry wrote: > >I'm quite surprised that neither of you included "On Arrival In Utopia", > which at the time was easily my favourite track on Choose Your Masques. It > probably still is, too. Quite right. The lyrics are perhaps a tiny bit weak, but musically I think it's one of Hawkwind's best. The lead that Huw plays in the bridge is incredible.... he really had some amazing moments, such as in this song, or in "Lost Chronicles" or "The Island" or "Motorway City." That live recording of "Who's Gonna Win the War?" on the Anthology Vol. One album is extremely cool.... his lead playing is extremely jazzy, with some of the weirdest phrasing I've ever heard... if that performance were the only thing Huw had ever done, it would be enough for me to want to grant him godhood. John Majka From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat May 13 12:03:09 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 02:03:09 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert experiment Message-ID: I'm slowly progressing with this project, doing a little every night. I expect it'll be ready in a week or so. So far all the soundfiles are working out to around 5.00 minutes / 600K. In the meantime I was just wondering whether anyone could direct me to some photos of Robert which I might use on the page, and which I can be sure are ok for copyright purposes I( I really only want one or two. I don't intend to make the page image-heavy.) Similarly, although I'm sure what I'm doing with this tape, 18 years on, is an extension of the purpose for which Bob originally gave it to me (i.e. for broadcast), I'd feel better if Bob's next of kin, and/or whoever was in charge of his estate knew about this in advance - whether that's Jill or whoever: if anyone knows her/him/them, perhaps you could just advise them, and ask them to contact me if they have any concerns. I'd also be happy to run off a copy of the original tape for them, as I don't suppose they would have heard the whole thing before either. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat May 13 12:05:15 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:05:15 -0400 Subject: Give bears a chance/ Editorial from "The Times" May 13th 2000 Message-ID: The following editorial letter, taken from today's "The Times" (Trenton, New Jersey), expresses another viewpoint regarding the opposition of a proposed bear hunt in New Jersey, and offers ways which you can help. It is not my intention to "politicize" my announcements, but this is an issue which is very close to my heart. Like many other artists I have chosen to publicly announce my alignment with a "said cause". As I stated before I will be attending a rally on the Capitol Complex Steps in Trenton, on Monday May 22nd between 11AM-1PM. If this is a protest which you feel inclined to support then please join me. I will be wearing a blue Appalachian Trail hat, and my old AT Ridgerunner's uniform. If you can't attend or choose not to, but would still like to help, please read the article below, or click to www.savenjbears.com Peace, Mike (Sloterdijk) Author: Mary Ann Moissinac "I attended the seminar on bears given by the Morris County Park Commission and the Humane Society at the Frelingheysen Arboretum on April 4. Dr. Lynne Rogers, an expert on bears, provided excellent information on co-existing with bears. His slides showed how gentle bears are. He has researched them for 30 years. If people had seen how he could be in their dens with them, how intelligent and nonaggressive they are, I am sure no one would want to destroy them. They would leave them alone and not provoke them. The Fish, Game and Wildlife management wants to start hunting season in September. We must call our government representatives and ask them to back the Black Bear Protection bills, S-1162, sponsored by Sen. Louis Bassano and A-2308, sponsored by Assemblyman Christopher Batemen. There are alternative methods to stop the increase in the bear population. Lets' get something going. Call me at (973) 838-2505. Education is the key to living in bear country. For example, Dr. Rogers suggests that farmers put electric fences around their crops and put out bacon as bait. When the bears come for the bacon, they get a shock from the fence and turn away. We need a non hunter on the Fish, Game and Widlife council, as all 11 members are hunters. Stuart Chaifetz is a nonhunter and a "voice for wildlife". There is an opening and the governor should make Stuart a member of the commission. We voted for open space. This is where the wildlife should be relocated, in sanctuaries. Let's get the funding to do sterilization. Tell the governor we do not want a bear hunt".... Mary Ann Moissinac Bloomingdale Borough http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat May 13 12:24:45 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:24:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > It's good to see something positive begin to come out of such a personal > tragedy. > Did all of you go back and record HWB tunes you and/or Joe had recorded in > the past, like on Architype? Or are they tunes that Helen wrote lyrics for, > but for some reason were never put on record? Or did you write these fresh > with Joe and Buck as a personal tribute? > We recorded only old Helen Wheels songs that for some reason didn't make on to the later BOC records. I also did two other songs with Joe before Donald got there, one of which was recorded by the original HWB and is on Archetype. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat May 13 15:51:56 2000 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:51:56 -0500 Subject: Quarkstock In-Reply-To: <391AC0BB.98B3C8D4@execpc.com> Message-ID: Karen wrote: >Hey Everyone! > >Who else is going to Quarkstock? I just bought my ticket and booked my >flight. Should be a great weekend. I was going to go but then after i started thing i did not like the idea of a indoor fest. if i were to go with the show being at a bar i Know i would run up over a $150 bar bill per night....hell i can easily spend $75 at the bar in 6 hours let alone being their for the weekend... not to even think about driving back to the hotel room.... The Really Wasted Guy At All the Strange Daze Fest.... Randy... From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat May 13 16:15:47 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:15:47 -0500 Subject: Quarkstock Message-ID: > The Really Wasted Guy At All the Strange Daze Fest.... > Randy... In the red pickup truck? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat May 13 15:21:39 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:21:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Quarkstock Message-ID: Randy Rote... >Karen wrote: >>Hey Everyone! >> >>Who else is going to Quarkstock? I just bought my ticket and booked my >>flight. Should be a great weekend. > >I was going to go but then after i started thing i did not like the idea >of a indoor fest. if i were to go with the show being at a bar i Know i >would run up over a $150 bar bill per night....hell i can easily spend >$75 at the bar in 6 hours let alone being their for the weekend... Having been to Ruby Tuesday's (a 'neighborhood' club, not the regional chain) as recently as two weeks ago, I can tell you that (at least) the beer there is damn cheap! You'd have a hard time spending $150 on alcohol and still walking. :) They were serving Amber Bock drafs for like $1.25 a mug, which I thought musta been a Happy Hour special, but it was the same price at the end of the night. I noticed they also had some imports on draft (Harp's and Newcastle Brown Ale I think)...not sure how much those were. But in any case, it's surely a *lot* cheaper than the frickin' Symposium/Phantasy in Cleveland, where every crap American macrobrew is over 3 bucks a bottle. But then, I'm usually driving back to Col's after a show there, so it's good that I can only afford a couple. :) >not to even think about driving back to the hotel room.... Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it. As a general rule of course (we've already beat that dead horse), but especially given the area of town that RT's is in. Narrow cross streets, lots of hidden intersections, drunk students (yes, OSU is *still* in session past Memorial Day!), and of course, lots of attentive police. Unless they're all down at south campus where the riots usually occur. :) Don't let that discourage you all from coming, though...just be careful. >The Really Wasted Guy At All the Strange Daze Fest.... Yeah, me too. :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. On the subject of Newcastle Brown Ale, the Magpies are coming to Columbus on July 26. The Crew is 1-0 in friendly's vs. Premier League teams (2-1 over Leeds a couple years' back). Who wants to bet what'll happen this time? :) From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat May 13 16:45:24 2000 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:45:24 -0500 Subject: Quarkstock In-Reply-To: <391DB7F3.3B724781@uswest.net> Message-ID: Dan wrote: >> The Really Wasted Guy At All the Strange Daze Fest.... >> Randy... > >In the red pickup truck? Ya...that would be me...if it was a red pickup with Illinois license plates. Have we met at one of the Strange Daze Fest?? Randy... From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat May 13 17:35:25 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:35:25 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: <200005121454.PAA27938@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000, M Holmes wrote: > MissileCommand writes: > > > on Ambient Anarchists there's that version of Living on a Knife edge, > > with the exact same reggae tune as that "jump up and down" part of > > brainstorm > > The Camera That Could Lie. I've made a segue of a live version of that > track into the Brainstorm section frim IYA. It works pretty well. Yeah, but it works much better in `LSD' where it was first conceived, I reckon. `LSD' is slightly slower, and the rythym change is less jarring. `Brainstorm' has to stall and then restart. And anyway, `Brainstorm' only has its full effect if it's nine minutes of concentrated assault, and preferably more... On the other hand, I reckon the Rizz part in `Wheels' enhances it beyond measure, and `Rat Race' improves `Love in Space' too considering how tired it was getting. But even so, the amount Rizz irriates me otherwise isn't worth the good bits, for me. I worry. `Hippy' was written at the Strange Daze only half the band was there for, wasn't it? That means the last new song we had from Hawkwind is now nearly two years old. I want some proof the band's still going, because every time they go quiet like this I fear the worst. Or, revolutionarily, if Dave is what's holding the whole thing back, maybe he should make it clear that he doesn't want to do the whole business any more and the band should tour without him? With Jerry on board, it could work well. If Jerry's not on board, of course, not so. Hmmm. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sat May 13 18:57:02 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:57:02 -0500 Subject: Quarkstock Message-ID: > The Really Wasted Guy At All the Strange Daze Fest.... > Randy... I'll never get why people mix alcohol and space rock... :) Drinking vodka and listening to minimalistic stuff like Hawlords Live is one thing, but being incogniscent in the heat of Nik Turner at the Strange Daze festival? The whole performance is designed for the delysid!...would rather be sober than on a relaxant! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 13 18:44:46 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:44:46 +0100 Subject: HW: IN YOU AREA! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > `Brainstorm' only has its full effect if it's nine minutes of concentrated > assault, and preferably more... With strobes. Don't forget the strobes. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat May 13 18:43:46 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:43:46 +0100 Subject: et tu, Nik? In-Reply-To: <200005102208.PAA21067@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: On Wed, 10 May 2000, John H. McCartney wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:08:51 -0700 > From: John H. McCartney > Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: et tu, Nik? > > Just ran across this in a list of "less common Latin phrases", > anyone up for a full translation? :) > > > scorch > > > > > Magister Mundi sum! I am the Master of the Universe! Dominus mundi sum! Aera tempi per me inflat Motus omnium mihi attinet Omnia opus animi mei est In orbe a me formata Coruscante impetu caeleste Utrum orbis furet an ego est? Genitor mundi huius sum Omniumque quae esse destinati est Adeo ut videre discemus Ineptiam in nobis spirantem Stultitiamque deprehendam Quomodo ex animis nostris eiciri Si hoc vivendum appellatis mihi caecus esse oportet... Just off the top of me 'ead like :-) Or at least, that's the best me and my dictionary can come up with. Some of the ambiguities are quite nasty to translate, and the line I've got for "Has the world gone mad or is it me?" is trying so hard to allow for both interpretations that I'm not sure it actually manages either. But you'd get your marks at GCSE for it... Yours, Jon (magister philosophiae in historia medii aevi) -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 13 19:03:46 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:03:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Deniz Tek in Paris Message-ID: Don't think I've posted anything about going to see ex-Radio Birdman star Deniz and his current project, Deep Reduction, in Paris last week, with Holy Curse in support. Anyway they were great, Deep Red did a version of City Kids (yes, the Pink Fairies song, the b-side of "Motorhead"), intense versions of Birdman's "Smith and Wesson Blues" and "What Gives," plus loads of new songs. The club was packed out and fucking sweaty (just the way rock'n'roll is meant to be). Both bands were in the bar after so we didn't even have to blag our way into the aftershow. All of them good unassuming blokes, even (especially) the Iceman himself. Loads of gig photos now up at http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk/deepred/deepred.htm -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From squinn at PALMNET.NET Sat May 13 21:01:19 2000 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) In-Reply-To: <391D81CD.7681218A@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert - Is this first time you and Donald have collaborated since you left BOC? Any talk of additional collaborations? This would be a good thing ... Shawn From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:14:50 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:44:50 +0930 Subject: HW In Your Area Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Zaza To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: HW In Your Area > Well, you asked so... > > > Melvyn wrote: > > Actually I thought this was one the strongest HW releases in years, crap > artwork aside and some songs being underdeveloped. "Reptoid Vision" is > brilliant and to me the band sounds excellent, crazy but focused in a way > they hadn't been in a long time. > > > Actually, I quite like this version, tho I can understand why some don't dig > the reggae section, it took awhile to grow on me, and to be frank I'd rather > they played it straight thru. > > pits. > > Again I quite like this track as well ("Rat Race"). Lyrically it is right > on the beam, saying the same type of things that the band have been saying > for 30 years now. "Flying is trying is dying". How about the lyrics to > "Shouldn't Do That". Also very repetitive and simple...and brilliant. > > > Agreed! > > It is frustrating to not have a full cd of new material, tho. I really > liked the version of "The Awakening" however. > Just my opinion. > > John Stanton > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:03 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:03 +0930 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo landIf your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) > Hi Al, > It's good to see something positive begin to come out of such a personal > tragedy. > Did all of you go back and record HWB tunes you and/or Joe had recorded in > the past, like on Architype? Or are they tunes that Helen wrote lyrics for, > but for some reason were never put on record? Or did you write these fresh > with Joe and Buck as a personal tribute? > > Brian > > >Yesterday brother Joe and I got together with Donald (Buck Dharma) and we > >recorded four songs for a Helen Wheels tribute record. It really sounds > >terrific, not unlike the old Blue Oyster Cult. After it was over I cried, > >missing Helen so much. She would have loved to see this. Still I'm not > >complaining. It's good to be alive and I'm happy I can make some kind > ofpositive contribution with some >musicians I love and respect greatly. > > ----- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com/ > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:09 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:09 +0930 Subject: White Witch (Info request) Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Sprawl To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: White Witch (Info request) > White Witch! > > Heard one song, one time, about 16 or 17 years ago. > > How come I still remember the words to class of 2000? > > Hahahaha > > > RJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: White Witch (Info request) > > > >haven't heard of any WW reunion or a peep for that matter.. > >i checked that w/Atlanta! Capricorn both CDs at CDNow.com > >Straight from GA. USA > > Bama > > > >At 06:12 PM 05/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >> Wow ...another White witch fan !!!any one know if the band are still > >>together or if there are more albums than Spiritual greeting and Class of > >>2ooo(I think thats what its called..I had mine stolen years ago!!) > ..Anyone > >>know of any White witch Websites ? Mp3s ? > >> If you know of any thing let me know !!. > >> Ps did either of the Capricorn Albums make it on to CD? > >> > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:25 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:25 +0930 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Zebulon Mysterioso To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- > >This whole debate is ludicrous. Napster provides exposure for new artists > >as long as you name is Metallica or Madonna or Korn or any other popular > >group who needs more exposure like a trapanation job. > > Eh? > Napster is about complete illegality, ie, sharing MP3 files. > Anyone who's online with Napster can see the MP3's belonging to anyone else > who's online with Napster. > > So if you search for your own band and find no matches.....nobody has your > MP3 files. Simple as that. Don't be shooting the messenger or anything. > > There's a facility in the Napster front-end for looking at the MP3's on one > person's computer, surely this is where this "promoting new bands" nonsense > comes in - if you find that you're downloading a lot of MP3's from one > particular user, you look and see what else he/she's got, because you've > begun to share his/her taste...that's when you download artists you've never > heard of, and that's when you'll download his band's songs...... > > And of course Metallica are gonna have millions of references, it'll just > reflect their album sales, same with the BOC big three. > > there is no s'gottabomb > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:31 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:31 +0930 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- > In a message dated 5/13/00 7:10:13 AM, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > << So if you search for your own band and find no matches.....nobody has your > MP3 files. Simple as that. Don't be shooting the messenger or anything. > ===== > not _quite_ so simple, perhaps.... > > as i recall, as remaining brain cells allow, someone sent me the napster link > some time back; i responded to said link w/ one das ludicroix track. > > now, my pal kermit, the guy who made all the mp3's pour moi, made his _entire > collexion_ available to napster, which included the first UK cassette by das > ludicroix, "jammed and stoning", and a couple 'dummy' disarray cd's which a > friend put together pour moi. > > if napster requires the supplying folx to be online when downloads happen, > heh, kermit, along w/my dear friend heidi, went to maine until summer's > end....and he doesnt appear to be online. > = > _why_ don't i know how napster conducts their transactions? > because i couldnt care less. > > mp3's are a waste of space, IMO, and the only ones i possess happen to be > selections i played on. and kermit, being incommunicado, has _far_ more than > moi. > i have two das ludicroix trax, two dsra trax, and the scylding material i > recorded w/carl anderson in '95. > > my main concern regarding napster [in my post from yesterday,] involved the > potentially-sinister implications of the phrase "hunted down and > blocked".....to the tune of over 317, 000 computers. > > ==>>and _none_ of y'all are troubled by this? > > blah blah etc > larry b > dsra > das ludicroix > "<>" > == > ps> considering the recent devastation by fire of los alamos, NM, 'twould > seem we of BOC-L showed admirable restraint in not referring to a certain > song by BOC. > and you _know_ which one i mean. > === > < more or less possible, - doing same in the company of ravers results in a > fall, and taking of sides...>> > KISAKO 2K > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:38 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:38 +0930 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this post!-_- > On Sat, 13 May 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > => my main concern regarding napster [in my post from yesterday,] involved the > => potentially-sinister implications of the phrase "hunted down and > => blocked".....to the tune of over 317, 000 computers. > => > => ==>>and _none_ of y'all are troubled by this? > > Not really, as it appears to be par for the course for Napster. I guess > most people usually ignore MOTD files, but these two little lines in the > MOTD for the official site caused my eyebrows to raise a tad: > > >>>>> > -- NO BOTS ARE ALLOWED ON THIS SERVICE. IF YOU RUN ONE HERE, -- > -- IT WILL BE BLOCKED AND YOUR IP WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNED. -- > <<<<< > > I find it amusing that this routine blocking policy is quietly brushed > aside by Napster whilst rigtheous indignation surrounds those "hunted > down and blocked [for copying illegal files]." (The thing is, bots can > be benign as well as harassing, but apparently they're all evil > according to Napster, so expell them...) > > Besides, did they ban 317,000 computers or 317,000 users? If the > latter, surely the 317,000 can simply re-register under a new name and > carry on business as usual? If the former, then they are unfairly > discriminating against people on multi-user systems and those behind > firewalls! > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun May 14 03:15:45 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:45:45 +0930 Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright allright.............. from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Berry To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: Re: HW: '80s > I'm quite surprised that neither of you included "On Arrival In Utopia", which at the time was easily my favourite track on Choose Your Masques. It probably still is, too. > > Also, the live version of "Shade Gate" works really well in compilation tapes, IMO. > > Dave. > > At 20:34 12/05/00 , Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: > > *****************Beautiful tape, man.***************** > > Bama > >At 11:15 AM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >>My definition of "80's" Hawkwind would be "the Huw years", so the > >>"best-of-the-80s" tape I made a while ago stretches from 'Live 79' to > >>'Xenon Codex', with 'Church of Hawkwind' counted as a Brock solo album > >>(hence no inclusions). I can't remember if it's a c90 or c100, but here's > >>my list ... > >> > >>side A > >>------ > >>1. Shot Down In The Night (live) > >>2. Motorway City (live) > >>3. Who's Gonna Win The War? (single version) > >>4. Levitation > >>5. Angels of Death (single version) > >>6. Living on a Knife Edge > >>7. Coded Languages > >>8. Choose Your Masques > >>9. Farenheit 451 > >> > >>side B > >>------ > >>1. Night of the Hawks (12" version) > >>2. Ghost Dance ('Hawkfan 12'/'Elf&Hawk' version) > >>3. Stonehenge Decoded (live) > >>4. Watching the Grass Grow (live) > >>5. Needle Gun > >>6. Sleep of a Thousand Tears > >>7. Moonglum (live) > >>8. The War I Survived > >>9. Heads > >>10.Good Evening > >> > >> -Doug > >> ceres at sirius.com > >> > >>On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:54:45 EDT, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > >>>1.Sonic Attack--the studio/song version! > >>>2.Rocky Paths > >>>3.Angels of Death > >>>4.Living on a Knife Edge > >>>5.Lost Chances > >>>6.Transdimentional Man > >>>7.Nuclear Drive > >>>8.Star Cannibal > >>>9.Phenomenon of Luminosity > >>>10.The Church > >>>11.Light Specific Data > >>>12.Choose Your Masques > >>>13.Dream Worker > >>>14.Void City > >>>15.The Island > >>>16.Levitation > >>>17.Stonehenge Decoded > >>>18.Shade Gate > >>>19.The War I Survived (Live) > >>>20.Arioch > >>>21.Shade Gate > >>>22.Rocky Paths > >>>23.Conjuration of Magnu/Magnu > >>>24.Dust of Time > >>>25.Cajun Jinx > >>>26.Ejection > >>>27.Assassins of Allah > >>>28.Ghost Dance (and Undisclosed Files version) > >>>29.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Griffin CD) > >>>30.Neon Skyline > >> > From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun May 14 06:32:49 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 05:32:49 -0500 Subject: White Witch (Info request) In-Reply-To: <001d01bfbd74$24e4e5a0$a5d26ccb@aspire> Message-ID: # THANKS for the vote of confidence. "An ounce of Hawkwind will set anything aright." At 04:45 PM 05/14/2000 +0930, you wrote: >If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright > >allright.............. > >from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sprawl >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 1:10 PM >Subject: Re: White Witch (Info request) > > >> White Witch! >> >> Heard one song, one time, about 16 or 17 years ago. >> >> How come I still remember the words to class of 2000? >> >> Hahahaha >> >> >> RJ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley >> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:09 PM >> Subject: Re: White Witch (Info request) >> >> >> >haven't heard of any WW reunion or a peep for that matter.. >> >i checked that w/Atlanta! Capricorn both CDs at CDNow.com >> >Straight from GA. USA >> > Bama >> > >> >At 06:12 PM 05/12/2000 EDT, you wrote: >> >> Wow ...another White witch fan !!!any one know if the band are still >> >>together or if there are more albums than Spiritual greeting and Class >of >> >>2ooo(I think thats what its called..I had mine stolen years ago!!) >> ..Anyone >> >>know of any White witch Websites ? Mp3s ? >> >> If you know of any thing let me know !!. >> >> Ps did either of the Capricorn Albums make it on to CD? >> >> >> > From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sun May 14 08:21:17 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:21:17 +0200 Subject: HW: glastonbury fayre pyramid Message-ID: Hi, anybody got a spare pyramid laying around? Please contact me. - BArt From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun May 14 09:44:03 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:44:03 +0200 Subject: HW: glastonbury fayre pyramid Message-ID: Hello Bart, What do you mean by that? From the LP or CD? If it's from the LP,that will be a long shot. Does anybody has a spare Glastonbury around,WOEHA?? Can't help laughing with my own joke,sorry. best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: HW: glastonbury fayre pyramid > Hi, > > anybody got a spare pyramid laying around? Please contact me. > > - BArt From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sun May 14 11:45:13 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:45:13 -0500 Subject: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in thispost!-_- Message-ID: Michaelangelo Blackman wrote: > If your a Hawkwind fan then you must be allright > > allright.............. > > from MICHAELANGELO at kangaroo land > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mather > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: OFF:<<== see? WARNING! the word NAPSTER appears in this > post!-_- > > > On Sat, 13 May 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > => my main concern regarding napster [in my post from yesterday,] involved > the > > => potentially-sinister implications of the phrase "hunted down and > > => blocked".....to the tune of over 317, 000 computers. > > => > > => ==>>and _none_ of y'all are troubled by this? > > > > Not really, as it appears to be par for the course for Napster. I guess > > most people usually ignore MOTD files, but these two little lines in the > > MOTD for the official site caused my eyebrows to raise a tad: > > > > >>>>> > > -- NO BOTS ARE ALLOWED ON THIS SERVICE. IF YOU RUN ONE HERE, -- > > -- IT WILL BE BLOCKED AND YOUR IP WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNED. -- > > <<<<< > > > > I find it amusing that this routine blocking policy is quietly brushed > > aside by Napster whilst rigtheous indignation surrounds those "hunted > > down and blocked [for copying illegal files]." (The thing is, bots can > > be benign as well as harassing, but apparently they're all evil > > according to Napster, so expell them...) > > > > Besides, did they ban 317,000 computers or 317,000 users? If the > > latter, surely the 317,000 can simply re-register under a new name and > > carry on business as usual? If the former, then they are unfairly > > discriminating against people on multi-user systems and those behind > > firewalls! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > yessir that's some good reeplaeyin! From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 14 21:21:18 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:21:18 -0700 Subject: Hawk Swaps Message-ID: Hallo, If anyone wants to swap Hawk Items here is my list. Just let me know what you want from it to linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk with your postal address and list of swaps also phone number if possible Ben Fagin's List of Hawkwind CD & Vinyl swaps linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk WARNING: Do not say anything about copyright! 7" Singles Silver Machine UA35381 1972 Silver Machine RCAP 267 1982 10th Aniversary Picture Disc Silver Machine 198? Warrior Picture Disc (If I can find it!) 12" LP Albums Hawklords CDS 4014 With Inner No Book (Can photocopy) Hawklords CDS 4014 No Inner No Book (Can photocopy) Twice upon a time SHARP 107 Twice upon a time SHARP 107 Independent Days Vol. 2 SHARP 036 PXR5 CDS 4016 (Fair) Roadhawks FA 41 3096 1 Robert Calvert Hype SEE278 (Unplayed) Hype SEE278 (Unplayed) Ben Fagin's list of Hawkwind Videos linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk Dunstable 07/07/72 (Silver Machine Promo) TV Marc Bolan Show 15/09/77 (Quark with Bob) Southamton Gaumont 25/10/81 (100 Mins Sonic Attack) Baden Baden Deutsch TV 14/02/81 (Who's gonna win the war) Edinburgh ??/10/82 (90 Mins) Cricket St. Thomas 04/06/83 (In Park Devon UK) Unknown ??/??/83 (Ask for Description) Stonehenge (Few tracks not on original videos) Newcastle ??/??/84 (Nik in Coffin) Hawkon ??/??/85 (Signing Conference? & gig) ECT Channel 4 TV 26/04/85 (12 Mins) Norwich 31/08/85 (Brainstorm) Hammersmith Odeon ///??/85 (75 Mins with MM Encore) Preston Guilhall 03/12/86 (60 Mins) Acid Daze Finsbury Park 23/08/87 (Encore Missing) Bochum Zeche ??/??/87 (90 Mins) Sommerville USA 27/09/89 (100 Mins) Boston NE USA 09/09/89 (90 Mins) Sanfransisco USA 17/12/90 (90 Mins) Bochum Zeche 19/03/91 (100 Mins No Dave) Promo Collection ??/??/91 (60 mins from Space Bandits & Palace Springs) Cambride Corn Exchange 11/05/92 (100 Mins) Pentrich Festival 31/07/93 (20 Mins) Bochum Zeche 26/10/95 (90 Mins) Strange Daze Sherman USA 31/08/97 (100 Mins) VIDEO 1979 - 1989 Concerts - Festivals - Private Parties (180 Mins) Live Legends Nottingham 1990 Night of the Hawks Ipswitch Gaumont 1984 Love in Space 1995 Solo, Friends & Relations Bob Calvert & ICU Marquee ??/??/85 (120 Mins) Bob Calvert ??/??/?? (90 Mins) Bob Calvert ??/??/?? (90 Mins) These are separate gigs No idea of Location, can anyone verify? Nik Turner's HW Cambridge MA USA 29/01/94 (90 Mins) Tim Blake LA CA USA ??/??/91 (30 Mins) Live & Interview Huw Lloyd Langton Elegy Promos ??/??/93 (15 Mins 3 Tracks) Gimme Shelter ITV CH 3 (UK) ??/??/93 (40 Mins 8 Mins of Hawkwind with Samantha Fox & Interview) Bristol Fleece & Firkin 02/09/91 (90 Mins Concert for Hostage Relief Huw, Harvey, Richard & Norman Alman) Nik in Epping & Blood & Bone Promos ??/??/?? (45 Mins of Fun with Nik & Blood & Bone Promos) Michael Moorcock BBC2 TV UK ??/??/// (40 Mins Time out of Mind Documentary) The Final Programme ??/??/?? (Film about Jerry Cornelius starring ex SAS Jon Finch) Motorhead Everything Louder than everything Else Deutsch 1991 10th Birthday Party Hammersmith Odeon 1985 Live in Toronto 1981 The Best of Motorhead Studio 1980-1985 Ace of Spades TOTP 1993 Stated length in minutes of concerts is average. Ben Fagin's List of Hawkwind Live Tapes linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk Camden Music Machine 10/06/77 (90 Mins) Reading Festival ??/??/77 (90 Mins) San Fransisco CA USA Old Waldorf 27/03/78 (90 Mins) London Lyceum 20/07/80 (60 Mins) Folkestone Leas Cliffe Hall ??/??/80 (90 Mins) Preston Guilhall 20/10/80 (90 Mins) St Austell Cornwall 30/04/82 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon Soundcheck 12/11/82 (90 Mins) Chippenham Golddiggers 15/11/82 (90 Mins) Hitchin Regal 15/10/82 (90 mins) Stonehenge 1984 Stonehenge Pyramid Stage 21/06/84 (90 Mins) Stonehenge Tibetan Tent (60 Mins) Stonehenge at Dawn (90 Mins) Crystal Palace Bowl 24/08/85 (45 Mins) Maida Vale Sessions ??/??/85 (30 Mins) Reading Festival ??/08/86 (60 Mins) as CD) Hammersmith Odeon 27/11/86 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 27/11/86 (90 Mins) Acid Daze Festival 23/08/87 (90 Mins) Finsbury Park Supertent) Hammersmith Odeon 22/04/88 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 14/12/88 (90 Mins) Woolwich Coronet 03/06/89 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 07/12/89 (90 Mins) Incomplete) Latin Quarter Detroit 18/05/91 (90 Mins) Mildenhall Festival Suffolk 03/08/91 (45 Mins) Brighton The Event 24/04/92 (60 Mins) Incomplete) Worthing 25/11/93 (90 Mins) Cologne Music Hall 13/11/94 (90 Mins) Kentish Town Forum 22/11/95 (120 Mins) Blackheath Assembly Halls 07/06/97 (90 Mins) Pentrich Festival 30/07/99 (90 Mins) THE WEIRD TAPES Weird 101 Weird 102 Weird 103 Weird 104 Weird 105 Weird 106 Weird 107 Weird 108 Hawkdog Birmingham 14/11/88 Huw Lloyd-Langton Blackheath Halls 07/06/97 (90 Mins) Nik Turner NIK TURNER'S SPACE RITUALSHOW '94 AMERICAN LIVE NIK TURNER'S FANTASTIC ALL STARS Shake dem biscuits NIK TURNER'S INNER CITY UNIT Live NIK TURNER'S SKA STARS Live Set of 4 X 60 Min Tapes from age.p ICU Liverpool ??/??/?? INTERVIEWS Robert Calvert Zooks U.F.M Tasmania ??/08/82 Dave Anderson Orbit ??/12/85 Night of the Hawk Canadian Radio ??/??/88 (90 Mins of Interview and music with Dave Brock) Richard Chadwick Mark Radcliffe BBC 1 22/11/93 BOOTLEGS Stonehenge 1983 Utopia 1984 Cheers! Cheers!. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 14 21:27:04 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:27:04 -0700 Subject: Agents of chaos mp3 Message-ID: Does anyone have the Agents/Earthed CD or mp3 for swap or sale please? Cheers Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 14 21:35:54 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:35:54 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkswaps Message-ID: If anyone wants to swap Hawk Items here is my list. Just let me know what you want from it to linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk with your postal address and list of swaps also phone number if possible Ben Fagin's List of Hawkwind CD & Vinyl swaps linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk 7" Singles Silver Machine UA35381 1972 Silver Machine RCAP 267 1982 10th Aniversary Picture Disc Silver Machine 198? Warrior Picture Disc (If I can find it!) 12" LP Albums Hawklords CDS 4014 With Inner No Book (Can photocopy) Hawklords CDS 4014 No Inner No Book (Can photocopy) Twice upon a time SHARP 107 Twice upon a time SHARP 107 Independent Days Vol. 2 SHARP 036 PXR5 CDS 4016 (Fair) Roadhawks FA 41 3096 1 Robert Calvert Hype SEE278 (Unplayed) Hype SEE278 (Unplayed) Ben Fagin's list of Hawkwind Videos linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk Dunstable 07/07/72 (Silver Machine Promo) TV Marc Bolan Show 15/09/77 (Quark with Bob) Southamton Gaumont 25/10/81 (100 Mins Sonic Attack) Baden Baden Deutsch TV 14/02/81 (Who's gonna win the war) Edinburgh ??/10/82 (90 Mins) Cricket St. Thomas 04/06/83 (In Park Devon UK) Unknown ??/??/83 (Ask for Description) Stonehenge (Few tracks not on Jettisoundz video) Newcastle ??/??/84 Hawkon ??/??/85 (Signing Conference? & gig) ECT Channel 4 TV 26/04/85 (12 Mins) Norwich 31/08/85 (Brainstorm) Hammersmith Odeon ///??/85 (75 Mins with MM Encore) Preston Guilhall 03/12/86 (60 Mins) Acid Daze Finsbury Park 23/08/87 (Encore Missing) Bochum Zeche ??/??/87 (90 Mins) Sommerville USA 27/09/89 (100 Mins) Boston NE USA 09/09/89 (90 Mins) Sanfransisco USA 17/12/90 (90 Mins) Bochum Zeche 19/03/91 (100 Mins No Dave) Promo Collection ??/??/91 (60 mins from Space Bandits & Palace Springs) Cambride Corn Exchange 11/05/92 (100 Mins) Pentrich Festival 31/07/93 (20 Mins) Bochum Zeche 26/10/95 (90 Mins) Strange Daze Sherman USA 31/08/97 (100 Mins) VIDEO 1979 - 1989 Concerts - Festivals - Private Parties (180 Mins) Live Legends Nottingham 1990 Night of the Hawks Ipswitch Gaumont 1984 Love in Space 1995 Solo, Friends & Relations Bob Calvert & ICU Marquee ??/??/85 (120 Mins) Bob Calvert ??/??/?? (90 Mins) Bob Calvert ??/??/?? (90 Mins) These are separate gigs No idea of Location, can anyone verify? Nik Turner's HW Cambridge MA USA 29/01/94 (90 Mins) Tim Blake LA CA USA ??/??/91 (30 Mins) Live & Interview Huw Lloyd Langton Elegy Promos ??/??/93 (15 Mins 3 Tracks) Gimme Shelter ITV CH 3 (UK) ??/??/93 (40 Mins 8 Mins of Hawkwind with Samantha Fox & Interview) Bristol Fleece & Firkin 02/09/91 (90 Mins Concert for Hostage Relief Huw, Harvey, Richard & Norman Alman) Nik in Epping & Blood & Bone Promos ??/??/?? (45 Mins Nik & Blood & Bone Promos) Michael Moorcock BBC2 TV UK ??/??/// (40 Mins Time out of Mind Documentary) The Final Programme ??/??/?? Motorhead Everything Louder than everything Else Deutsch 1991 10th Birthday Party Hammersmith Odeon 1985 Live in Toronto 1981 The Best of Motorhead Studio 1980-1985 Ace of Spades TOTP 1993 Stated length in minutes of concerts is average. Ben Fagin's List of Hawkwind Live Tapes linuxchaos at netscapeonline.co.uk Camden Music Machine 10/06/77 (90 Mins) Reading Festival ??/??/77 (90 Mins) San Fransisco CA USA Old Waldorf 27/03/78 (90 Mins) London Lyceum 20/07/80 (60 Mins) Folkestone Leas Cliffe Hall ??/??/80 (90 Mins) Preston Guilhall 20/10/80 (90 Mins) St Austell Cornwall 30/04/82 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon Soundcheck 12/11/82 (90 Mins) Chippenham Golddiggers 15/11/82 (90 Mins) Hitchin Regal 15/10/82 (90 mins) Stonehenge 1984 Stonehenge Pyramid Stage 21/06/84 (90 Mins) Stonehenge Tibetan Tent (60 Mins) Stonehenge at Dawn (90 Mins) Crystal Palace Bowl 24/08/85 (45 Mins) Maida Vale Sessions ??/??/85 (30 Mins) Reading Festival ??/08/86 (60 Mins) as CD) Hammersmith Odeon 27/11/86 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 27/11/86 (90 Mins) Acid Daze Festival 23/08/87 (90 Mins) Finsbury Park Supertent) Hammersmith Odeon 22/04/88 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 14/12/88 (90 Mins) Woolwich Coronet 03/06/89 (90 Mins) Hammersmith Odeon 07/12/89 (90 Mins) Incomplete) Latin Quarter Detroit 18/05/91 (90 Mins) Mildenhall Festival Suffolk 03/08/91 (45 Mins) Brighton The Event 24/04/92 (60 Mins) Incomplete) Worthing 25/11/93 (90 Mins) Cologne Music Hall 13/11/94 (90 Mins) Kentish Town Forum 22/11/95 (120 Mins) Blackheath Assembly Halls 07/06/97 (90 Mins) Pentrich Festival 30/07/99 (90 Mins) THE WEIRD TAPES Weird 101 Weird 102 Weird 103 Weird 104 Weird 105 Weird 106 Weird 107 Weird 108 Hawkdog Birmingham 14/11/88 Huw Lloyd-Langton Blackheath Halls 07/06/97 (90 Mins) Nik Turner NIK TURNER'S SPACE RITUALSHOW '94 AMERICAN LIVE NIK TURNER'S FANTASTIC ALL STARS Shake dem biscuits NIK TURNER'S INNER CITY UNIT Live NIK TURNER'S SKA STARS Live Set of 4 X 60 Min Tapes from age.p ICU Liverpool ??/??/?? INTERVIEWS Robert Calvert Zooks U.F.M Tasmania ??/08/82 Dave Anderson Orbit ??/12/85 Night of the Hawk Canadian Radio ??/??/88 (90 Mins of Interview and music with Dave Brock) Richard Chadwick Mark Radcliffe BBC 1 22/11/93 BOOTLEGS Stonehenge 1983 Utopia 1984 Cheers! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun May 14 14:02:01 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:02:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) Message-ID: Shawn Quinn wrote: > Albert - Is this first time you and Donald have collaborated since you left > BOC? Any talk of additional collaborations? > Yes to all these questions :-) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun May 14 14:24:59 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:24:59 EDT Subject: HW: "A Space Ritual" on MP3 [via the Newsgroups] Message-ID: boy, i tell ya... in the matter of "circulation of copyrighted material" Napster aint Shite. visited a cybertech friend yesterday; no modems for him, he's got this T1 connexion. [as amazing as promoted.] and we went to the 'newsgroups'. again, _amazing_. a veritable plethora of music on MP3. '60s-'90s stuff some great '50s jazz... and someone posted 'a space ritual.',. in many chunks, of course. through the wonder of technology, my friend would select strings of material to download simultaneously in a matter of minutes. he would later put the stuff on the hard drive of a connected machine and subsequently make a CD. clear the hard drive and do it over again. he had a whole 'book' of these CD's. to play at parties, etc. [>for personal/private use only, o ye legal-minded<] for my friend, he's like a kid in a candy store there is _so much_ material out there and he can grab handfuls of it. my friend realizes this is all, how you say, _dicey_ not far from the land of warez and yet quite a bit of the material would likely never have been on MP3. last night as we all partied [the das ludicroix outdoor appearance having been...nnnggghhh... scratched -_-] i recall hearing one of those CD's, including: 'wipe out' by the surfaris several songs by j. geils band some manhattan transfer song 'iko iko' ,'63 by the...hmmm...the 'chapel of love ' girls? theme from 'fraggle rock' 3 or 4 simpsons songs 4 bonzo dog band 'telstar' by the tornadoes [?] 2 from the velvets' ''loaded' lp some stooges '73 rehearsal track. etc. ....all grabbed like a kid at a candy store. on the one hand, i've collected and traded bootleg tapes for years. but the point of this post [by golly, there _was_ a point after all] was to say this whole NAPSTER bidness is small change if Metallica's legal procedures were uniformly applied. the MP3 underground is deep and wide dont ask me to tell yiz how to get there. writ while very stoned. "<>" From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun May 14 16:53:43 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:53:43 -0700 Subject: "A Space Ritual" on MP3 [via the Newsgroups] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 11:25 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: "A Space Ritual" on MP3 [via the Newsgroups] > > ...... > he had a whole 'book' of these CD's. > to play at parties, etc. > [>for personal/private use only, > o ye legal-minded<] So that kid in the candy store, who is grabbing as much candy as his little hands will allow, and stuffing it into his pockets until his pockets will hold no more, then running out without paying, is going to eat all these sweets for personal/private use only, so everything is just fine and dandy, ye legal-minded naysayers! > writ while very stoned. > "<>" Writ whilst straight, unfortunately. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://members.home.net/novadrive/ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun May 14 17:26:23 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:26:23 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkwind 2000/2001 (reunion? .....nah!) Message-ID: the reunion, methinks, is the stuff of dreams - so here is a dream line-up Dave - gtr, vox Ron -vox Nik - flute, sax, vox Huw - gtr Jerry - gtr Ade Shaw -bass Simon H - violin, keys Tim - keys, synth, fx Richard - drums Simon King - drums/congas (Lemmy - vox, gtr, bass - if available - if not, tough titty) Dave n/p Pete Namlock - Shades Of Orion 2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun May 14 20:13:23 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:13:23 -0500 Subject: HW : Hawkwind 2000/2001 (reunion? .....nah!) In-Reply-To: <000101bfbdeb$ecd353e0$2f53883e@default> Message-ID: ***don't forget Stacia*** At 10:26 PM 05/14/2000 +0100, you wrote: > the reunion, methinks, is the stuff of dreams - so here is a dream >line-up Dave - gtr, vox -vox Nik - flute, sax, vox Huw - gtr Jerry - >gtr Ade Shaw -bass Simon H - violin, keys Tim - keys, synth, fx Richard - >drums Simon King - drums/congas (Lemmy - vox, gtr, bass - if available - >if not, tough titty) Dave n/p Pete Namlock - Shades Of Orion 2 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun May 14 20:59:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:59:55 EDT Subject: "A Space Ritual" on MP3 [via the Newsgroups] Message-ID: In a message dated 5/14/00 4:52:11 PM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: << so everything is just fine and dandy, ye legal-minded naysayers! >> ===== oh, i suppose not. just wanted to clarify he weren't sellin' nothin'. also wanted to clarify that the legalities weren't the point of my writing, but rather the _huge_ amount of stuff out there with which to fill one's pockets. if one so chose. i wondered if , or how many, of y'all knew about what was available on the newsgroups. heh i'd share, but cant send it as an attachment "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun May 14 20:07:34 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:07:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: Quarkstock/SciFi Con Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just learned that "Marcon 35" (The Midwest's Premiere Science Fiction & Fantasy Convention) is being held here in Columbus over Memorial Day weekend, coincident (truly coincidental I mean...Paul just discovered this himself) with Quarkstock. So any of you that were still trying to decide whether to come or not, well maybe this would be more incentive. Other than Saturday evening, there really isn't much overlap between the two events. Augur and Da'an from Earth:Final Conflict are going to be there, and Gene Roddenberry's son. The strangest thing I see in the schedule is that there's going to be a couple presentations about LEXEN, i.e., 'Life in Extreme Environments,' such as in the Antarctic ice sheet (as analogues for Europa, Mars), and I have a feeling that might involve somebody from 'my' group. Funny that I didn't hear anything about it. Anyway, all the info about the con is at www.marcon.org. Here are their prices... Adult prices: Weekend - $35 (until May 18...Thursday) Friday - $20 Saturday - $25 Sunday - $15 Quarkstock is a 'bargain' at $20 for the two days, or $12 at the door each day. www.quarkspace.com for more info. Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun May 14 20:51:13 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:51:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Radio show in S Wales/online Message-ID: Hi Folks... This came across another list and thought it might interest some folks here, as well as bands that might want to submit something. (E-mail is below). Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Very shortly I will be working as a DJ on a late night radio show run by a >new company called Real Radio (96.4 FM). This digital service will supply >the South Wales (UK) area of approximately 250,000 people, and will >hopefully offer web streaming in the future. > >My programme ('Menagerie') will feature many contemporary genres, but will >also include my large selection of European & American >electronic/avant-garde music. This will hopefully open up a new world of >music for listeners starved of creative and unique artists. > >I am interested in profiling any new bands/artists of this genre. If anyone >has any CD's, tapes etc. Please do not hesitate to forward anything to me >(address supplied on request) and I will give it serious >consideration.....plus the customary plug. > >Regards, > >Antony S. Thomas (presenter, 'The Menagerie', Real Radio 96.4 FM) >as_thomas at lineone.net From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Sun May 14 19:52:28 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:52:28 -0000 Subject: SD 2000 Message-ID: I just finished looking at Jim's Strange Daze 2000 page and it looks as if Nik might not be appearing since I do not see his name on the festival poster. Also, if you read Jim's remarks about this year's lineup, Nik is only mentioned as having performed last year with Pressurehed/Farflung members. Any info anyone? J Stanton From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon May 15 01:49:26 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (MissileCommand) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:49:26 -0500 Subject: SD 2000 Message-ID: Sara Zaza wrote: > I just finished looking at Jim's Strange Daze 2000 page and it looks as if > Nik might not be appearing since I do not see his name on the festival > poster. Also, if you read Jim's remarks about this year's lineup, Nik is > only mentioned as having performed last year with Pressurehed/Farflung > members. Any info anyone? > > J Stanton oh fuck... it said he would be there until this new site update. From CultJacket at AOL.COM Mon May 15 02:38:24 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:38:24 -0400 Subject: Frederick MD May 12th Message-ID: Set list Stairway B4 The Kiss ETI Harvest Moon Bucks Boogie Subhuman Joan Crawford Cities On Flame Burnin 4 You See You In Black Teen Archer Harvester Of Eyes Days Of May Godzilla Reaper The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return Golden Age Of Leather Show time 112 mins 10:38-12:30 A great club approx 900 people. Huge club holds well over 1000. The theme is underwater. Real waterfall,neon boats and sea creatures hanging from the ceiling. Abstract paintings on the wall with underwater stuff. Beer stands every 10 ft so not far to go if you are thirsty. One of the best clubs i've been to. Most of us stayed at The Comfort Inn where the band stayed.Just a block away. Great conversation with Woody as always, Who had the time to relax a bit since the show was over early and sit with us and have a few drinks,as well as Buck and Danny joining us for awhile.Got to meet Alen's wife Dory for the 1st time who was there. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 15 05:05:24 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:05:24 +0100 Subject: Any CDR trees working at the moment? In-Reply-To: <000101bfbdff$7763c2c0$d656f7a5@default> Message-ID: Hello folks, I was wondering if there are any CDR trees working at the moment which I could get involved in? I can act as a branch as I have a SCSI burner so if there is anything going, please let me know - probably best off list. Thanks, Mark mmje at NOSPAMmmje.demon.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 15 07:19:53 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:19:53 EDT Subject: Frederick MD May 12th In-Reply-To: <200005150638.CAA08186@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 15 May 00, at 2:38, Chris Martin wrote: > See You In Black Glad to see this back in the setlist. They'd dropped it for awhile > Teen Archer Ditto! This seems to be a regular tune on this tour. In all my years of BOC concerts, I've never seen this one live. Hopefully I'll see it later this summer... > The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return Please report on this one! theo From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 15 08:11:13 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:11:13 GMT Subject: Any CDR trees working at the moment? Message-ID: I'd like to know this as well - I've recieved something like an introductory message, but nothing beyond that... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 15 17:27:13 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:27:13 -0700 Subject: Any CDR trees working at the moment? Message-ID: Whats a CDR tree? I have a CD Burner (and wanna use it) if thats what you mean? Ben Johnny Firich wrote: > I'd like to know this as well - I've recieved something like an introductory > message, but nothing beyond that... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Mon May 15 09:23:38 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:23:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) In-Reply-To: <391EEA19.38167D5E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 May 2000, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Shawn Quinn wrote: > > > Albert - Is this first time you and Donald have collaborated since you left > > BOC? Any talk of additional collaborations? > > > > Yes to all these questions :-) When is the tribute CD coming out? And what's the name? From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat May 13 05:06:36 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:06:36 +0100 Subject: OFF Message-ID: You know RE is not the same as OFF which really buggers up the filtering process. A bit more care, please. Thanks. 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From: hawkwinder at aol.com Subject: [Hawkwind] Hawkfest Lineup Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:24:17 EDT Size: 3174 URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon May 15 14:56:53 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:56:53 -0700 Subject: HW: '80s Message-ID: On Fri, 12 May 2000 22:28:54 +0100, Dave Berry wrote: >I'm quite surprised that neither of you included "On Arrival In Utopia", which at the time was >easily my favourite track on Choose Your Masques. It probably still is, too. That was a definite almost on my tape. It came down to that or "Farenheit 451" and I decided to go for the one with the Calvert lyrics ... still a great song, though, and cool that they pulled it out again for last years mini-tour, -Doug ceres at sirius.com >At 20:34 12/05/00 , Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: >> *****************Beautiful tape, man.***************** >> Bama >>At 11:15 AM 05/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>>side A >>>------ >>>1. Shot Down In The Night (live) >>>2. Motorway City (live) >>>3. Who's Gonna Win The War? (single version) >>>4. Levitation >>>5. Angels of Death (single version) >>>6. Living on a Knife Edge >>>7. Coded Languages >>>8. Choose Your Masques >>>9. Farenheit 451 >>> >>>side B >>>------ >>>1. Night of the Hawks (12" version) >>>2. Ghost Dance ('Hawkfan 12'/'Elf&Hawk' version) >>>3. Stonehenge Decoded (live) >>>4. Watching the Grass Grow (live) >>>5. Needle Gun >>>6. Sleep of a Thousand Tears >>>7. Moonglum (live) >>>8. The War I Survived >>>9. Heads >>>10.Good Evening From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 15 16:08:00 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:08:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Man album Message-ID: This from the Manband site: "The new Man album Endangered Species will be released in June. A special launch gig will be held at Dingwalls in Camden, London NW1 on Thursday June 15 at 8pm." http://www.ringsoft.demon.co.uk/man/ -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 15 17:49:17 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:49:17 PDT Subject: SYD Message-ID: Saw this post on DAT-Heads and thought some of you might be interested...... Darrin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ news just in: syd barrett is playing at the borderline in london after 30 years of doing nothing. Not too sure this is true, or when it is, but if it is true....someone HAS to get it. Just a heads up. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon May 15 19:16:25 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:16:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) Message-ID: "J. Michael Looney" wrote: > > > When is the tribute CD coming out? And what's the name? We don't have a name for it but the projected release date is no later than the anniversary of Helen's death which is January 17. From CultJacket at AOL.COM Tue May 16 02:03:57 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:03:57 EDT Subject: Frederick MD May 12th Message-ID: In a message dated 00-05-15 07:21:36 EDT, you write: << > The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return Please report on this one! theo >> Caught up with Buck after the show about this tune. Shirley lyrics-music by Eric Bloom The song begins with a heavy 3 guitar attack. Then it turns into slow drawn out creepy sounding chords as the vocals begin. The tempo picks up as the lyrics progress. It features a long heavy guitar solo with 2 rhythm guitars and a grand production for an ending that reminds me of Dizbusters Live Eric read the lyrics off a cue sheet ,as it was only the 3rd time it was played live and the 1st time in a month. The lyrics are rather long 3-4 verses. Some of what I could make out ( not 100% correct) were 1st verse Eric: Now is the time,that our world's will collide. Written by messengers of the unknown,the unknown sign ( missing a whole bunch here) 2nd verse Now is the time our hero's will return Now is the time when war begins to burn Now is the time the evil souls will be laid to waste Now is the time the righteous will rise to their place Dammed forever ( Buck and Danny) come in and sing "forever and ever" Dammed forever BD and DM sing" forever and ever" Eric: Now is the time the old gods return Now is the time the old gods return You've really got me shivering and shaking on my hands and knee's You've really got me shivering and shaking on my hands and knees Buck and Danny sing " Now is the time the old Gods return" Eric: Please save our city"s Please don't take our cities Back in to hell. This is roughly 1/4 of the lyrics and i'm going by memory from what I read off the cue sheet. I'd say 90% correct Cool tune though. Sounds like something off C Erectus. Has the old BOC Sound to it that"s been missing for awhile. From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Tue May 16 06:37:47 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 05:37:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Helen Wheels Tribute (BOC content) In-Reply-To: <39208546.90D3C205@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Albert Bouchard wrote: > "J. Michael Looney" wrote: > > > > > > > When is the tribute CD coming out? And what's the name? > > We don't have a name for it but the projected release date is no later than the > anniversary of Helen's death which is January 17. Well, by all means keep us informed. Thanks. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 16 07:16:25 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:16:25 EDT Subject: Frederick MD May 12th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 May 00, at 2:03, Chris Martin wrote: > In a message dated 00-05-15 07:21:36 EDT, you write: > > << > The Time Is Now The Old Gods Return > {snippage of lyrics} > This is roughly 1/4 of the lyrics and i'm going by memory from what I > read off the cue sheet. I'd say 90% correct Cool tune though. Sounds > like something off C Erectus. Has the old BOC Sound to it that"s been > missing for awhile. Sounds great! Thanks for the info! theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 16 10:43:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:43:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors Message-ID: Hi Folks... The University of Errors, featuring Daevid Allen and members of the San Fran. band Mushroom will soon be headed to Europe, and then back across the US, including SD'2K. Check 'em out if you can... Grakkl (FAA) http://www.universityoferrors.com Thur 1st June Netherlands. tbc Fri 2nd June Belgium, Brussels. tbc Sat 3rd June Netherlands, Utrecht. tbc 5th-7th June Norway. tbc. Thur 8th June Denmark Copenhagen, Loppen or Stengaden 9th-10th June Germany. tbc. Sun 11th June Switzerland Bern. Tue 13th June Austria, Vienna, Szene Wien. Wed 14th June Austria or Switzerland. tbc. 15th-17th June Italy. tbc. Sun 18th June France. tbc. 19th-20th June Spain. tbc. 21st-22nd June France. tbc. Fri 23rd June Belguim Liege, La Zone Wed 28th June Belguim Diksmuide, 4AD 29th-30th June Germany. tbc. 1st-5th July UK. tbc. 8th August USA: New Haven, CT - Tune Inn 9th August USA: New York, NY - Knitting Factory 10th August USA: Wheaton, Md. - Phantasmagoria 11th August USA: Nelson, Ohio - Strange Daze Festival 12th August USA: Chicago, Il. - Shubas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 16 13:46:50 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:46:50 +0100 Subject: SYD In-Reply-To: <20000515214917.6516.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <20000515214917.6516.qmail at hotmail.com>, Darrin McKeehen writes >Saw this post on DAT-Heads and thought some of you might be interested...... >Darrin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >news just in: syd barrett is playing at the borderline in london after 30 >years of doing nothing. Where'd you hear this? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 16 14:01:08 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:01:08 +0100 Subject: SYD In-Reply-To: <20000515214917.6516.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <20000515214917.6516.qmail at hotmail.com>, Darrin McKeehen writes >Saw this post on DAT-Heads and thought some of you might be interested...... >Darrin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >news just in: syd barrett is playing at the borderline in london after 30 >years of doing nothing. > >Not too sure this is true, or when it is, but if it is true....someone HAS >to get it. Just a heads up. I rang the borderline, um, *quite* quickly and they said it's not true. Mind you, they said I was the only person (so far) to have to called and asked this, and I find that a little hard to believe. I'll call again tomorrow.. -- Jon From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 9 15:53:56 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:53:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Couldn't agree more! The original track order should have been preserved. I've also done the minidisc transfer from LP/CD. Also, it is one of my more favourite albums. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Guy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 09 May 2000 18:06 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind >Sorry to start a (possibly) controversial topic of discussion! >Does anybody else share the opinion that the CD version of Church of >Hawkwind rather let's-down the original version? I quite like the 3 new >tracks, but having got used to the old vinyl running order, the CD is very >disjointed. Thank God for mini-discs, whereby being able to "re-create" the >original album in digital format, with the three extra tracks tagged on the >end! > >I was never massively enamoured with the original, but over the past 18 >years (18 - jeez!!) it has really grown on me, and even after 6 years of the >CD being available, I still prefer the original! Looking to the Future is >classic 80's HW. > >Guy T From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 16 15:33:45 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:33:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: Don't ask me how to pronounce that! :) Anyway, Hawkwind are set for this festival in Ystalyfera, Neath Port Talbot, South Wales for July 21st. Tickets ?8, ?5 u-18, u-12s go free, from 01639 841 225. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue May 16 15:39:03 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:03 -0700 Subject: SD 2000 Message-ID: First of all, great to see you on the list, John! Welcome aboard! It looks to me like the SD2k lineup still isn't 100% finalized (and I would guess/hope that Jim is still trying to figure out a way to get Dave over for the event; if so, I'd expect him to keep quiet about that unless something is actually confirmed). The list of American bands, even, doesn't seem to have been set in stone yet. And right now, all the website links are broken, so it's probably being currently updated with (hopefully!) new information. I was pretty excited when the initial anouncements indicated that Nik would be there, and that he, Grenas, Del Rio & co. would have some new/different material worked out. It was great to see them in LA this spring, even though I'd already heard them do all the songs several times before. Their repertoire could use some additions, IMHO. Perhaps "Assault & Battery", since (I believe?) there's a version of that on the upcoming 'Ice Ritual' album ... even though it's a Brock composition, it's an opportunity to showcase some of Nik's best flute playing in a song that utterly rocks. I'd also *love* to see them take a stab at a few more ICU tunes than just "Watching the Grass Grow" (which, I guess, sorta counts as a Hawkwind song anyway). "Bones of Elvis" would be a blast. If Simon House is going to be there with his violin (and if he's not, I'll volunteer!), it would be criminal not to play "Stonehenge Who Knows" (the only song on Nik's 'Prophets of Time' that betters, or lives up to, the original ICU version IMO, mostly because of the violin - sorry Fred!). "Space Invaders", "Hurricane Fighter Plane" (OK - a cover, but a great one!), "Fungus Among Us" or "Little Black Egg" (oops! more covers), "Cybernetic Love", "God Disco", "Raj Neesh" & "I.C.U." would all be welcome additions. Perhaps another Calvert number or two - "Evil Rock" would be a great choice since the original features a fabulously raunchy sax solo, and it would be cool to hear Nik work at out-menacing Ron on "Song of the Gremlin". And if Harvey is going to be there, it would be fantastic to see him guest with Nik for "Ghost Dance" and/or "Dream Worker". Any other suggestions? -Doug (another one of those people who was too wasted to stand while Born To Go were playing "Orgone Accumulator" for a half hour) ceres at sirius.com On Sun, 14 May 2000 23:52:28 -0000, John Stanton wrote: >I just finished looking at Jim's Strange Daze 2000 page and it looks as if >Nik might not be appearing since I do not see his name on the festival >poster. Also, if you read Jim's remarks about this year's lineup, Nik is >only mentioned as having performed last year with Pressurehed/Farflung >members. Any info anyone? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue May 16 16:10:44 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:44 -0700 Subject: SD 2000 Message-ID: On Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:03 -0700, I wrote: >And right now, all the website >links are broken, so it's probably being currently updated with >(hopefully!) new information. Looks like the update's done. http://www.strange-trips.com/ Yep, no mention of Nik this year :^( Len & Tommy are mentioned on the "poster" graphic, but not in any of the text. No mention of Simon House, either :^(. But Harvey's still on board, as well as Daevid Allen (although the University of Errors lineup won't be the same as on their European tour or the Bay Area shows I've seen - the Mushroom-related involvement will be pretty low if any). There's a blank message board now, so that's probably the best place to ask questions to the man in charge ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 16 15:15:55 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:15:55 -0400 Subject: HW: SD 2000 Message-ID: Doug offered... >It looks to me like the SD2k lineup still isn't 100% finalized (and I would >guess/hope that Jim is still trying to figure out a way to get Dave over >for the event; if so, I'd expect him to keep quiet about that unless >something is actually confirmed). The list of American bands, even, >doesn't seem to have been set in stone yet. True! >And right now, all the website links are broken, so it's probably being >currently updated with (hopefully!) new information. Mostly deletions I imagine. :( >I was pretty excited when the initial anouncements indicated that Nik would >be there, and that he, Grenas, Del Rio & co. would have some new/different >material worked out. Well, Nik has another commitment to some other festival in the UK (in Wales I think...though prolly not the same one that Andy G. just posted), so he's not coming. And now Jim tells me that because the Grenas/Del Rio lot just got a recording contract with some label, they have to have a new album cranked out by September and so they've just now pulled out. And Simon H. couldn't apparently get a visa, so he's out also. So, I'm afraid it's the same old story for Jim. A lot of bands seem to want to do it, but then the time comes, and there's always something else going on or some other problem. I can't blame the Farflung guys tho....they've been every year to date, and having them get a contract for something significant (I don't know who it is...I'm hoping Man's Ruin or something similar) is good for the 'scene.' I wonder why "The Myth of Solid Ground" (which I don't think is out yet, is it? Big Jesus is too small to even have a website.) isn't something they could provide this new label though. Well, anyway, as of now, the headliners are: Fri. night - University of Errors Sat. night - Richards/Chadwick/Taylor/Hayes and the rest are probably still in a state of flux. Given that the University of Erros has been known to do things like Fohat and other Gong tunes in addition to the cool stuff of their own, and that the HW spinoff (and Harvey too) will likely do some HW tracks (like Hippy/SMD, Alchemy, etc.) here and there, I can't see why this festival wouldn't still be really attractive. Though I wonder if the people will come out still. >From what Jim says, the Ozrics are out (wanted *way* too much money) and P. Tree is only looking at maybe doing shows in NYC and LA. (Huh?) Grakkl (FAA) From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue May 16 16:48:36 2000 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:48:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: Gooyl Ustalavehra .... Alun >Don't ask me how to pronounce that! :) > >Anyway, Hawkwind are set for this festival in Ystalyfera, Neath Port Talbot, >South Wales for July 21st. Tickets ?8, ?5 u-18, u-12s go free, from 01639 >841 225. > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; >http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 16 15:47:20 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:47:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: Ynddy Gyy wryts... >Anyway, Hawkwind are set for this festival in Ystalyfera, Neath Port Talbot, >South Wales for July 21st. Tickets ?8, ?5 u-18, u-12s go free, from 01639 >841 225. Didn't find anything online about this year, but there's thing about last year's event here.... http://www.ystalyfera.org/gwylevents3.html Dinosaur rock lives! Grakkl (FAA) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue May 16 17:31:15 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:31:15 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Lemmy Message-ID: Soundbite from the Lemster in last weeks NME: (on leaving theC4 studio after the Jo Whiley show the other week) "It was all I could do to stop myself whacking that wanker. He kept going on and on like he was some kind of musician when all does is play records." BTW the new Motorhead album "We Are Motorhead" is top stuff. esp the cover of "God Save the Queen" Nick From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 16 17:37:09 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:37:09 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Lemmy Message-ID: He didn't seem too happy to be on the show! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Nick Lee To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 16 May 2000 22:35 Subject: HW/OFF: Lemmy >Soundbite from the Lemster in last weeks NME: > >(on leaving theC4 studio after the Jo Whiley show the other week) >"It was all I could do to stop myself whacking that wanker. He kept going >on and on like he was some kind of musician when all does is play records." > >BTW the new Motorhead album "We Are Motorhead" is top stuff. esp the cover >of "God Save the Queen" > >Nick > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 16 20:20:37 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:20:37 PDT Subject: Message From Roye Albrighton Message-ID: Hey Now! Just got a message from Roye and felt compelled to pass it on. Many of you know Roye from his fantastic work w/ NEKTAR. For those of you who have not experienced NEKTAR, you need to do yourself a favor an pick some up, right away! Here we go! Peace, Darrin ~~~~~~~~~ Recycle - Roye Albrighton - http://www.roye.bigwig.net ******** GREETINGS ALL RECYCLERS ********** Having received lot's of mail from all you great people out there, I would like to add that you all have the power to do something about the duff version of Remember The Future (RTF). The more of you that voice your opinion, the better chance we all have of making it happen. I am caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, because I am in negotiations for the new Nektar album/CD, and have my work cut out with all that that entails. However, it would not be such a big deal for me to remaster the RTF original and transfer it successfully again over to CD sometime in the near future, then everyone will be a little happier, you can also be sure that I would not let it be released unless it was right. On another note, Nektar as a viable recording artist, may be using their last chance with this new Album/CD, obviously the record company will observe how well this new product sells and decide if another is worth the effort. I would like to call on all the fans out there to listen and hopefully support us when the release time eventually comes round. Tour dates and a further CD rest in your hands Taff and myself will be the only original artists on the Album/CD, but we like what we have to offer you all, I only hope that you do too. If you all wish to submit your feelings on the subject of a remastering of RTF then please direct your mail to: OLAF FINKBEINER Bellaphon at bellaphon.de End of message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Tue May 16 21:21:57 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:21:57 -0500 Subject: Message From Roye Albrighton In-Reply-To: <20000517002037.59140.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: ****Blue bird, what have you seen? At 05:20 PM 05/16/2000 PDT, you wrote: >Hey Now! > >Just got a message from Roye and felt compelled to pass it on. Many of you >know Roye from his fantastic work w/ NEKTAR. For those of you who have not >experienced NEKTAR, you need to do yourself a favor an pick some up, right >away! > >Here we go! > >Peace, > >Darrin >~~~~~~~~~ > >Recycle - Roye Albrighton - http://www.roye.bigwig.net > >******** GREETINGS ALL RECYCLERS ********** > >Having received lot's of mail from all you great people out there, I would >like to add that you all have the power to do something about the duff >version of Remember The Future (RTF). > >The more of you that voice your opinion, the better chance we all have of >making it happen. > >I am caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, because I am in >negotiations for the new Nektar album/CD, and have my work cut out with all >that that entails. However, it would not be such a big deal for me to >remaster the RTF original and transfer it successfully again over to CD >sometime in the near future, then everyone will be a little happier, you can >also be sure that I would not let it be released unless it was right. > >On another note, Nektar as a viable recording artist, may be using their >last chance with this new Album/CD, obviously the record company will >observe how well this new product sells and decide if another is worth the >effort. I would like to call on all the fans out there to listen and >hopefully support us when the release time eventually comes round. Tour >dates and a further CD rest in your hands Taff and myself will be the only >original artists on the Album/CD, but we like what we have to offer you all, >I only hope that you do too. > >If you all wish to submit your feelings on the subject of a remastering of >RTF then please direct your mail to: > >OLAF FINKBEINER Bellaphon at bellaphon.de > >End of message > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 17 05:36:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:36:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Nik the guitar god? Message-ID: I just noticed that the One-Way Records CD of In Search of Space credits Nik with 'vocals, sax, flute, audio generator and electric guitar'. Neither my original vinyl or my 1980 vinyl pressing of ISOS give Nik a guitar credit - so is this just an invention of One Way's, or, like Bob, did Nik sneak in a guitar performance on a HW track, and if so, which one? :/ Work on the Calvert thing is about half done. The server hosting my site has been down for 5 days anyway, so it wouldn't be much good even if it were finished yet. Some really interesting stuff there, which I'd forgotten all about, and I'm pleased to find there's a large amount of material I never used in the radio special. Is it common knowledge that Bob and Marc Bolan were working on a TV series for Granada Television, at the time of the latter's death? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed May 17 05:36:51 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:36:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: Andy, Any more info - like who else is playing, 1 day, 2 days ? etc. Cheers, Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] >Sent: 16 May 2000 20:34 >Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera > > >Don't ask me how to pronounce that! :) > >Anyway, Hawkwind are set for this festival in Ystalyfera, >Neath Port Talbot, >South Wales for July 21st. Tickets ?8, ?5 u-18, u-12s go >free, from 01639 >841 225. > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; >http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 17 06:10:31 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:10:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F7162F8@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: There are other bands, but I'm not sure who, and other stuff besides - ring Stewart at that number and I'm sure he'll be able to help! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Mark Lee > Sent: 17 May 2000 10:37 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera > > > Andy, > > Any more info - like who else is playing, 1 day, 2 days ? etc. > > Cheers, > > Mark (Hasbeen) > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] > >Sent: 16 May 2000 20:34 > >Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera > > > > > >Don't ask me how to pronounce that! :) > > > >Anyway, Hawkwind are set for this festival in Ystalyfera, > >Neath Port Talbot, > >South Wales for July 21st. Tickets ?8, ?5 u-18, u-12s go > >free, from 01639 > >841 225. > > > >-- Andy > > > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > >http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 17 06:35:51 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:35:51 +0100 Subject: SYD In-Reply-To: <+TD0tUAkzYI5Ew6h@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Got this back from The Borderline: _________________________________ sorry...wish it were true but a false romor from Ian Lee of XFM they apologised to me for having my phone lines jammed for 8 hours...Barry promoter Borderline -- Jon Browne From moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET Wed May 17 08:58:07 2000 From: moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET (Bill Knispel) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:58:07 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 15 May 2000 to 16 May 2000 (#2000-52) In-Reply-To: <200005160900.FAA10765@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I am sending this e-mail on behalf of Bill Knispel. He was admitted into the hospital yesterday when they found a huge lump in his chest. He was diagnosed with hotchkins. I am sending out messages to all his friends and lists to let all of you know what has happened to him. I am also sending his phone number at the hospital and his home address in case anyone wants to call him or send a card. Thank you in advance for all you positive thoughts. Bill's wife, Donna Bill's hospital number- (908)788-9498 Bill's home address- 12 Front Street Apt. B Frenchtown, NJ 08825 Enter the labyrinth: http://members.xoom.com/Yyrkoon.1/home.htm (Bill's website) http://members.xoom.com/Morathi/home.htm (Donna's website) From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed May 17 11:52:21 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:52:21 +0200 Subject: HW:Angels Of Death Message-ID: Wacko time again: Just to let you all know that the Hawkwind 7" single: Angels Of Death/Trans-Dimensional Man RCA 137 exist in two versions one with a solid centre and the other with a push out centre.This is true,I have them both now. Yes I know,how wacko can you get,mea culpa best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we could get a space band onto Man's Ruin there might follow some really interesting cross-pollination and energy - the stoner-rock scene seems to have a lot more energy than the space-rock/psych one at the moment and the labels that aer driving it could do the latter nothing but good. I am extremely anxious to know what's happening to this new Farflung album. I assume that since you mention Len del Rio, the new project that's sending Grenas et al into the studio is Pressurehed or Anubian Lights. If the latter, perhaps that's what Nik's involved in. Similarly, if Len del Rio's involved, I assume the label isn't Cleopatra since he doesn't appear to like them anymore. It's about time Pressurehed got back into action, really, though if I had to choose between them and Farflung I'd offload Pressurehed with no regrets. But if Farflung already have an album recorded, that's not a choice we currently have to make. Be nice if it were released, though. What is Big Jesus, its scheduled releaser or were they just the studio/CD-R producers? > >From what Jim says, the Ozrics are out (wanted *way* too much money) and P. > Tree is only looking at maybe doing shows in NYC and LA. (Huh?) Getting PT to gig anywhere for more than a three-date tour is rapidly tending toward the chances of getting Hawkwind out. But unlike HW, PT do have a new album out next month. The single is refreshingly encouraging - it reminds me of `See Emily Play' and is currently in the CD-ROM drive... Song sounded like an Oasis rip-off live, and was meant to given the title (`Four Chords that Made a Million'), but the studio version has got electric sitar, three sorts of percussion and a slow mid-section that contains more things going backwards than a driving school doing parallel parking. Also pleasantly catchy. Even the B-sides are none too bad, although rather more _Stupid Dream_y. So, yeah, I'd recommend people went out and bought it and maybe it'll chart and they'll get to take the piss out of Oasis with the aid of mass media :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed May 17 13:56:52 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:56:52 +0100 Subject: SD 2000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000516123903.009a7a10@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 May 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: > Perhaps "Assault & Battery", since (I believe?) there's a version of that > on the upcoming 'Ice Ritual' album ... even though it's a Brock > composition, it's an opportunity to showcase some of Nik's best flute > playing in a song that utterly rocks. I'd also *love* to see them take a > stab at a few more ICU tunes than just "Watching the Grass Grow" (which, I > guess, sorta counts as a Hawkwind song anyway). "Bones of Elvis" would be > a blast. If Simon House is going to be there with his violin (and if he's > not, I'll volunteer!), it would be criminal not to play "Stonehenge Who > Knows" (the only song on Nik's 'Prophets of Time' that betters, or lives up > to, the original ICU version IMO, mostly because of the violin - sorry > Fred!). "Space Invaders", "Hurricane Fighter Plane" (OK - a cover, but a > great one!), "Fungus Among Us" or "Little Black Egg" (oops! more covers), > "Cybernetic Love", "God Disco", "Raj Neesh" & "I.C.U." would all be welcome > additions. Perhaps another Calvert number or two - "Evil Rock" would be a > great choice since the original features a fabulously raunchy sax solo, and > it would be cool to hear Nik work at out-menacing Ron on "Song of the > Gremlin". And if Harvey is going to be there, it would be fantastic to see > him guest with Nik for "Ghost Dance" and/or "Dream Worker". I want the Fantastic All-Stars to play `Volstead o Vodeo Do' :-) Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 17 14:07:58 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:07:58 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Lemmy Message-ID: >Soundbite from the Lemster in last weeks NME: > >(on leaving theC4 studio after the Jo Whiley show the other week) >"It was all I could do to stop myself whacking that wanker. He kept going >on and on like he was some kind of musician when all does is play records." > Oops! forgot to say that he was talking about Pete Tong! Nick From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed May 17 14:19:44 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:19:44 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 5/13/00 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. 5/13/00 1.Hawkwind--Sonic Attack (Sonic Attack) 2.Zappa/Mothers--Motherly Love (Freak Out!) 3.Capt. Beefheart/Magic Band--When I See Mommy I Feel Like a Mummy (Shiny Beast ) 4.Gong--Tropical Fish: Selene (Camembert Electrique) 5.Census of Hallucinations--The Moon (Census of Hallucinations) 6.Voco Kesh--Track #6 (Smile! and Point at the Mountain?) 7.Future Sound of London--My Kingdom pt. 4 (My Kingdom) 8.Tone Float--Vapourspace Aquarium (Musik von...) 9.Triple Zero (000)--bonus track pt. 2 (Crypto Sensus) 10.Tangerine Dream--Atem (Atem) 11.Melting Euphoria--Srinager (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 12.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Beyond the Light (Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of...) 13.Spacious Mind--House in the Country (Mind of a Brother) 14.Helios Creed-Bubble Butt (Bursting Through the Van Allan Belt) Thanks, Chuck From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 17 14:18:18 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:18:18 +0100 Subject: SD 2000 Message-ID: >> additions. Perhaps another Calvert number or two - "Evil Rock" would be a >> great choice since the original features a fabulously raunchy sax solo, Saw Nik do this with Sheffield band Durango 95, who were supporting the All-Stars years back. Quality stuff indeed! Nik From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 17 15:33:46 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:33:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, if it looked like there are a lot of 'unconfirmed' shows in their schedule, you're right. Late word from Pat (UoE drummer) is that the Europe tour might be cancelled due to lack of solid gigs. (sigh) On the positive side, there might be an innerSpace festival in San Fran in August with U of E, Mushroom, Species Being, and 2 new off shoots from Beyond O Matic (Cooking with Kurt and Om Attack). So look out for that, those of you in the Bay Area. The U of E lineup for Strange Daze appears to be.... Daevid Allen - G, V Michael Clare - B Josh Pollock - G Miles (?) or possibly (but not likely) Pat Thomas - D Jay Radford - K and/or G (?) Miles (surname unknown) played with them at the NY Knitting Factory show awhile back. Erik Pearson (Sax, Flute) will be missing, but it's pretty close to the 'real' thing otherwise. Jay apparently won't be at the other US shows though. Grakkl (FAA) >http://www.universityoferrors.com > >Thur 1st June Netherlands. tbc >Fri 2nd June Belgium, Brussels. tbc >Sat 3rd June Netherlands, Utrecht. tbc >5th-7th June Norway. tbc. >Thur 8th June Denmark Copenhagen, Loppen or Stengaden >9th-10th June Germany. tbc. >Sun 11th June Switzerland Bern. >Tue 13th June Austria, Vienna, Szene Wien. >Wed 14th June Austria or Switzerland. tbc. >15th-17th June Italy. tbc. >Sun 18th June France. tbc. >19th-20th June Spain. tbc. >21st-22nd June France. tbc. >Fri 23rd June Belguim Liege, La Zone >Wed 28th June Belguim Diksmuide, 4AD >29th-30th June Germany. tbc. >1st-5th July UK. tbc. > >8th August USA: New Haven, CT - Tune Inn >9th August USA: New York, NY - Knitting Factory >10th August USA: Wheaton, Md. - Phantasmagoria >11th August USA: Nelson, Ohio - Strange Daze Festival >12th August USA: Chicago, Il. - Shubas From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 17 17:01:24 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:01:24 -0700 Subject: HW: Stourbridge Message-ID: No, Jill, I'm not misspelling your name! Just in from http://www.hawkwind.com/ (dates page) ... >Stourbridge all day event >Running from 12 noon to 12 midnight on September 30th, >this all-dayer features a line-up of Nik Turner, Alan >Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson and Trev Thoms, >with support from Bedouin and another set from Harvey. >Stalls, exhibitions, etc, too! >At the Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge, >(telephone 01384 390918). hmmmmm ... Nik - sax, flute, vocals Trev - guitar, vocals Alan - bass, vocals, keys/synth Harvey - keys/synth, vocals Danny - drums ... this sounds like one of the most intriguing Hawks-related band yet! The membership covers all of 1969-1996 except for ca.1977 (post-Nik, pre-Harvey). And Trev Thoms does a mighty fine Brock-ish guitar (which I never noticed much with ICU, but his playing IMO is about the best thing about that dodgy 'Pinkwind' album). If somehow they could cajole Simon House into joining the lineup they'd have that whole period covered ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Wed May 17 17:29:24 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:29:24 GMT Subject: HW: Stourbridge In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000517140124.009a8910@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2000 14:01:24 -0700, you sent through the ether: > And Trev Thoms does a mighty fine Brock-ish guitar (which I >never noticed much with ICU Trevors own style is a very sinuey attack based thing with a far thinner sound than Brock, but he can play rings around just about anybody on his day, I`ve seen him awesome & I`ve seen him average (never bad), the swings tend to go with his personal life, don`t forget he`s never had a sniff of major success and to still be using the guitar as his main form of income is a mark of dedication we should all stand back & salute. Mick Stupp & I were discussing him a couple of weeks back and came to the conclusion that he`s easily the best guitarist we`ve ever seen play.. Put him in a room with Clapton then sit back & enjoy as Trevors ego & technique embarrass the poor multi billionaire. ("ere's a scale I invented meself.. can you play it??") His sound fattened up considerably during the Atomgods which helps his Brock-a-likeness but he can play any style as well as anybody.. Hmmmmm I`ve got some Atomgods demos somewhere, I wonder if Trev'll moan if I put them on the ICU site.. :) -S. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed May 17 18:16:43 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:16:43 +0100 Subject: HW:Trev Thoms Message-ID: Trev played in Opal Butterfly with Simon and Lemmy did he not? Is this stuff available? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 17 19:05:10 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:05:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Stourbridge Message-ID: Perhaps Huw and Terry Ollis could join in the fun too... Nick -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 May 2000 22:08 Subject: HW: Stourbridge >No, Jill, I'm not misspelling your name! Just in from >http://www.hawkwind.com/ (dates page) ... >>Stourbridge all day event >>Running from 12 noon to 12 midnight on September 30th, >>this all-dayer features a line-up of Nik Turner, Alan >>Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson and Trev Thoms, >>with support from Bedouin and another set from Harvey. >>Stalls, exhibitions, etc, too! >>At the Rock Cafe 2000, Stourbridge, >>(telephone 01384 390918). > >hmmmmm ... > >Nik - sax, flute, vocals >Trev - guitar, vocals >Alan - bass, vocals, keys/synth >Harvey - keys/synth, vocals >Danny - drums > >... this sounds like one of the most intriguing Hawks-related band yet! >The membership covers all of 1969-1996 except for ca.1977 (post-Nik, >pre-Harvey). And Trev Thoms does a mighty fine Brock-ish guitar (which I >never noticed much with ICU, but his playing IMO is about the best thing >about that dodgy 'Pinkwind' album). If somehow they could cajole Simon >House into joining the lineup they'd have that whole period covered ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 17 19:55:59 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:55:59 -0400 Subject: HW:Trev Thoms Message-ID: >Trev played in Opal Butterfly with Simon and Lemmy did he not? Is this stuff available? > >Dave I think I asked Lemmy that just last month. Check www.hawkwind.com, but I think he said no, no recordings exist. Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 17 20:20:30 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:20:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Babylonian Tiles Message-ID: Hi Folks... Have never heard this band, but I think they're in the goth/psychedelic vein, and presumably worth a listen...either online as below or live as follows.... Grakkl (FAA) Pangea Music artist Babylonian Tiles' Teknicolour Aftermath Tour begins this week.... 5/18 - Anaheim, CA @ Chain Reaction 5/25 - Terre Haute, IN @ The Cathedral 5/26 - Chicago, IL @ NYX (inside The Mutiny) 5/28 - Milwaukee, WI @ The Cactus Club, 5/30 - Newport, KY @ The Southgate House 5/31 - Cincinnati, OH @ WAIF FM 'Alien Soundtracks' 10 pm - midnight (come join the live audience) 6/1 - Indianapolis, IN @ Club 54 6/2 - Columbus, OH @ High Five 6/3 - Detroit, MI @ The Labyrinth 6/4 - Cleveland, OH @ The Phantasy 'Gravedigger's Exhibit' 6/12 - New York, NY @ Alchemy/CBGBs 313 Gallery 6/14 - Rochester, NY @ Club Red 6/18 - Dallas, TX @ The Galaxy 6/23 - Houston, TX @ Instant Karma Check back at: http://www.babylonian-tiles.com/tour2000.htm for shows to be announced in the following cities: Baltimore, MD Washington DC Austin, TX +_+-+_+-+_+-+_+-+_+-+_+-+_+-+_+-+_+ Take a... Journey to the Dark Side of the Mind=99... BABYLONIAN TILES: http://www.babylonian-tiles.com HEAR BABYLONIAN TILES: http://www.mp3.com/BabylonianTiles From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu May 18 02:15:48 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:15:48 +1000 Subject: HW:Trev Thoms Message-ID: At 07:55 PM 5/17/00 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >>Trev played in Opal Butterfly with Simon and Lemmy did he not? Is this >stuff available? >> >>Dave > >I think I asked Lemmy that just last month. Check www.hawkwind.com, but I >think he said no, no recordings exist. I thought I remembered reading years ago, that Trev was in the original line-up of Iron Maiden. Can't remember where I read that, and always wondered if it were true (I seem to remember it was from ICU-related bit of parahrenalia. Maybe the book that came with the first LP?) I'm a big fan of Trev's guitar work, vocals, writing, and just about everything really - especially all of the above on Maximum Effect -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu May 18 02:27:12 2000 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:27:12 +0100 Subject: HW:Trev Thoms Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW:Trev Thoms > I thought I remembered reading years ago, that Trev was in the original > line-up of Iron Maiden. Can't remember where I read that, and always > wondered if it were true (I seem to remember it was from ICU-related bit of > parahrenalia. Maybe the book that came with the first LP?) Different Iron Maiden. Same Name, different band. Si -------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File -REAL NEW ADDRESS! NOW SEARCHABLE! http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tindex.html From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 18 11:35:16 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:35:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. Does anyone know if there are any in existence? I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. Anyone interested? Ben From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu May 18 05:02:47 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:32:47 +0930 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: sure, michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:05 AM Subject: HW: Slip Mats > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > Anyone interested? > > Ben > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu May 18 05:03:37 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:03:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: Well,count me in. Do you have an adress where they make those things? greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: HW: Slip Mats > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > Anyone interested? > > Ben From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Thu May 18 06:20:21 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P.) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:20:21 +0100 Subject: HW:Trev Thoms In-Reply-To: <20000518061547.MNWM25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 May 2000 16:15:48 +1000, you sent through the ether: >I thought I remembered reading years ago, that Trev was in the original >line-up of Iron Maiden. Can't remember where I read that, and always >wondered if it were true ( Yes and No, he was in a band called Iron Maiden, but no it wasn`t *that* Iron Maiden.. -S. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 18 08:59:22 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:59:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors Message-ID: Hi Folks... >The U of E lineup for Strange Daze appears to be.... > >Daevid Allen - G, V >Michael Clare - B >Josh Pollock - G >Miles (?) or possibly (but not likely) Pat Thomas - D >Jay Radford - K and/or G (?) Miles Poindexter is the name. >Jay apparently won't be at the other US shows though. Well, if the Europe tour *is* cancelled, he will be doing all the US dates. Grakkl (FAA) >>8th August USA: New Haven, CT - Tune Inn >>9th August USA: New York, NY - Knitting Factory >>10th August USA: Wheaton, Md. - Phantasmagoria >>11th August USA: Nelson, Ohio - Strange Daze Festival >>12th August USA: Chicago, Il. - Shubas The Aug. 10th date has been moved to the Metro in D.C., because the Phantasmagoria just went out of business. (sigh) Note from Michael Clare is the following.... >We would like to do some more shows in the Northeast-Midwest during the >week of August 13, but I am out of booking ideas--- anyone out there from >Detroit? Ann Arbor? East Lansing? Philadelphia? Pittsburgh? Toronto?, etc. with >any ideas or contacts????? Weddings? Party's? Bar Mitzvahs? (i am sure Josh and >Jay can do a mean hava nageela or happy birthday) If anyone has any ideas for them, respond to: mykelc at earthlink.net (He won't read it here.) I've given him a few suggestions, but multiple opinions would probably help. (Dan, Karen, perhaps you've got some ideas for Minneapolis & Milwaukee?) From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 18 19:57:57 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:57:57 -0700 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: I'm sure my brother can sort something out he sells Hardcore Techno stuff, :-( Where would we get the logo? I could scan It from the vinyl? let me know! Ben Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Well,count me in. > Do you have an adress where they make those things? > > greetings > filip hawknut > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 5:35 PM > Subject: HW: Slip Mats > > > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > > Anyone interested? > > > > Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 18 19:58:30 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:58:30 -0700 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: I'll start to arrange it! Ben Michaelangelo Blackman wrote: > sure, > > michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:05 AM > Subject: HW: Slip Mats > > > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > > Anyone interested? > > > > Ben > > From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu May 18 11:54:57 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:54:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI or should I say SIMI Message-ID: A pair of interesting sites http://www.100monkeys.org/ http://www.terraserver.com/ From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu May 18 12:45:30 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:45:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Angels Of Death Message-ID: IIRC that would be a version to fit in UK jukeboxes and a version sold via retail outlets. Anybody else care to comment. BTW, thanx to Andy G(ilham) for the info, I'll be checking that one out along with Martyn. Mark (Hasbeen) -----Original Message----- From: Filip Vanhuyse [mailto:filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE] Sent: 17 May 2000 16:52 Subject: HW:Angels Of Death Wacko time again: Just to let you all know that the Hawkwind 7" single: Angels Of Death/Trans-Dimensional Man RCA 137 exist in two versions one with a solid centre and the other with a push out centre.This is true,I have them both now. Yes I know,how wacko can you get,mea culpa best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 18 11:53:46 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:53:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Canterbury fest...forwarded Message-ID: Hi Folks... For any PHP's and Man fans here... Grakkl (FAA) THE CANTERBURY SOUND FESTIVAL MOUNT EPHRAIM GARDENS HERNE HILL, FAVERSHAM, KENT, ENGLAND SUNDAY 30th JULY 2000 Featuring: Gong, Caravan, Colosseum, Arthur Brown and Man Tickets priced ?15 in advance Available from: CSF Ticket Sales PO Box 30 Faversham Kent ME13 8AA UK NB. UK Applications must contain S.A.E. European bookings must add ?1.50 per ticket for postage and administration costs Cheques / Postal Orders payable to "The Canterbury Sound Festival Ltd." Direct applications not subject to booking fee Also available from: Ticket Web Tel: +44 (0)20 7771 2000 www.ticketweb.co.uk Stargreen Tel: +44 (0)20 7734 8932 Way Ahead Tel: +44 (0)20 7403 3331 www.wayahead.com The Freak Emporium Tel: +44 (0)1753 893008 Canterbury Bookings Tel: +44 (0)1227 455600 All agencies accept Credit Card bookings but are subject to a booking fee Tickets ?20 on the day One Child under 14 years of age free per ticket holding adult The Festival Website will be active as from the end of May 2000 www.canterburysoundfestival.com Please note, the Festival site only has a capacity of 3000 people. Advance booking is strongly advised. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 18 18:06:23 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:06:23 PDT Subject: Syd Not Happening Message-ID: This is a repost of Groovus's post to DAT-Heads today. Peace, Darrin np: NEKTAR - Magic Is A Child From: groovus Subject: about syd barett live...... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:24:14 -0500 Ok. News is: Syd is NOT going to be playing at The Borderline. According to the people at the club; X-fm (the radio station who announced it)have officially apologized for saying that he would be (although they didn't give a reason for saying it in the first place.) Apparently, the phones at the club have been jammed from the moment the DJ said it, and they have been getting hundreds of people turning up trying to buy tickets. but it's definitely not true. Sorry people. groovus ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 18 18:40:32 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:40:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Gwyl Ystalyfera In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F7162F8@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: Oops - might be some crossed wires on this. Hang on before making travel plans, I'll check it out! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 19 01:57:00 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:57:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Angels Of Death Message-ID: At 05:45 PM 5/18/00 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: >IIRC that would be a version to fit in UK jukeboxes and a version >sold via retail outlets. Anybody else care to comment. Jukeboxes? Now I've got this image of 'Happy Days' with them all bopping along to Hawkwind singles. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri May 19 03:18:11 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:18:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Angels Of Death Message-ID: Snigger, snicker, heehee, that mind picture surely cracked me up!!! Thanks, I really needed a good laugh!!! :):):) I just got home from work! Pam Tim Gadd wrote: > At 05:45 PM 5/18/00 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: > >IIRC that would be a version to fit in UK jukeboxes and a version > >sold via retail outlets. Anybody else care to comment. > > Jukeboxes? Now I've got this image of 'Happy Days' with them all bopping > along to Hawkwind singles. > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Bop !!, nah they'd be jiving :)). It was the only explanation that occured to me as I read the mail, the reason it occured was that some shops in the UK used to sell ex-jukebox singles for a few pence each, that's how my singles collection ended up so weird, everything from AC/DC to ZZ Top with Limahl and Strawberry Switchblade thrown in. Further info on the 'odd welsh name here' gig is hoped for, already started to make plans for this. Over to Andy... Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Gadd [mailto:lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM] >Sent: 19 May 2000 06:57 >Subject: Re: HW: Angels Of Death > > >At 05:45 PM 5/18/00 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: >>IIRC that would be a version to fit in UK jukeboxes and a version >>sold via retail outlets. Anybody else care to comment. > >Jukeboxes? Now I've got this image of 'Happy Days' with them >all bopping >along to Hawkwind singles. >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri May 19 07:05:09 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:05:09 +1000 Subject: SD2000 INFO... Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 8055 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri May 19 10:14:01 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:14:01 -0600 Subject: HW: Angels Of Death Message-ID: Not so far fetched- at my first HW concert (Space Ritual/Santa Monica,CA) Mrs. Timothy Leary spoke before the band came on and told the story about how they were in a bar and heard Silver Machine being played on the jukebox, but they didn't know who it was by but they kept playing it. When they left the bar they found a copy of the single on the seat of their truck. the other Mark L Santa Fe At 05:45 PM 5/18/00 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: >IIRC that would be a version to fit in UK jukeboxes and a version >sold via retail outlets. Anybody else care to comment. >Jukeboxes? Now I've got this image of 'Happy Days' with them >all bopping >along to Hawkwind singles. -- >Tim Gadd From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri May 19 11:23:01 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:23:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: I am planning on picking up a new CD player for the home as my current one has given up the ghost. The price range is under $300. Any advice is appreciated. What models/brands are good. Which are bad. What functions are worthwhile, which are not. What should I look for. Horror stories you've had. Thanks From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 19 11:44:52 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:44:52 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Gwyl Ystalyfera In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F7162F8@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: Right, I know what's happening now. Not Hawkwind, but... Nik Turner's Reunion Band! And who's in Nik's Reunion? Well, get this: Nik Turner Simon House Terry Ollis Thomas Crimble Huw Lloyd-Langton and possibly, but not confirmed: DikMik! Profuse apologies for any confusion or worse. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri May 19 12:05:11 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:05:11 -0500 Subject: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: General comment gleaned from several issues of COnsumer Reports: If you can handle having a single CD player instead of a multiple CD changer, do it. The repair frequency on multiple CD changers is noticeably higher. General comment from me: Read the Consumer Reports Yearend summaries- great info on makes and manufacturers. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Russell J [mailto:russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:23 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested I am planning on picking up a new CD player for the home as my current one has given up the ghost. The price range is under $300. Any advice is appreciated. What models/brands are good. Which are bad. What functions are worthwhile, which are not. What should I look for. Horror stories you've had. Thanks From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 19 20:32:52 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:32:52 -0700 Subject: HAWKWIND - Just to let you know...... Message-ID: Hi There, Release news as follows: 1) Hawkwind 'Electric Teepee' remastered edition with new artwork is now available and in stock from CD Services (Tel:01382-776595 and I'm there all day tomorrow,Saturday, Hawkfans, or e.mail Agcdser at aol.com)at ?7.99 UK price and it's great. It's a jewel case not a digi-pak like the previous 7 were but the artwork reflects a similar style and lay-out. 2)The Dark Sun vinyl tribute to Hawkwind is also in stock but the ltd edition of 300 is now sold out and we've got 8 left, so hurry people. 3)EBS is back - release schedule commences this summer but can't tell you who with just yet. 4)Those still waiting for the 'Atomhenge' double from '76 may well be in for a very long wait indeed - sorry, but can't say more than that right now. Looks like 'Thrilling Adventures' may end up on its own!! Happy landings Andy G(aribaldi). From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 19 14:13:45 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:13:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: Waaaaay off topic, but I had to add ... On Fri, 19 May 2000 11:05:11 -0500, Todd Hong wrote: >If you can handle having a single CD player instead of a multiple CD >changer, do it. The repair frequency on multiple CD changers is noticeably >higher. I've had a Pioneer 6xCD changer for over 10 years now (since fall 89/spring 90) that has performed admirably without any mechanical (or other) problems whatsoever. I can't remember the model number (and I'm sure it's no longer in production, since it's 10 years old) or the cost, but it was a cheap one even then - about $200 I think. But then again, I consider CD players to be "disposable" components anyway, unlike speakers, turntable, etc. I can't see any reason to spend more than $200 on one. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri May 19 15:11:53 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:11:53 EDT Subject: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: In a message dated 05/19/2000 12:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM writes: << If you can handle having a single CD player instead of a multiple CD changer, do it. The repair frequency on multiple CD changers is noticeably higher. >> Really? Yow! Now I feel lucky...I've been using a 6-CD changer heavily for the past seven years and have had no problems... SET From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri May 19 15:24:24 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:24:24 -0500 Subject: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: When I wrote... << If you can handle having a single CD player instead of a multiple CD changer, do it. The repair frequency on multiple CD changers is noticeably higher. >> ...I was DIRECTLY QUOTING Consumer Reports. The repair rates that Consumer Reports listed were 2 to 5% of single CD changers and 5 to 10% of multiple CD changers. Obviously, the vast majority of BOTH styles are just fine. And, there were certainly some brands that were much better long-term performers than others. Sorry, didn't mean to start anything. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Steven Tice [mailto:StevenTice at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:12 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: CD Player Advice Requested In a message dated 05/19/2000 12:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM writes: << If you can handle having a single CD player instead of a multiple CD changer, do it. The repair frequency on multiple CD changers is noticeably higher. >> Really? Yow! Now I feel lucky...I've been using a 6-CD changer heavily for the past seven years and have had no problems... SET From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 19 16:13:22 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:13:22 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >> The Washington Post's Style Invitational asked readers to take any word >> from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or >> changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are some >> recent winners: >> >> Reintarnation: >> Coming back to life as a hillbilly. >> >> Foreploy: >> Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. >> >> Giraffiti: >> Vandalism spray-painted very, very high. >> >> Sarchasm: >> The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who >> doesn't get it. >> >> Inoculatte: >> To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. >> >> Hipatitis: >> Terminal coolness. >> >> Osteopornosis: >> A degenerate disease. >> >> Karmageddon: >> It's, like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, >> right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's, like, a serious >> bummer. >> >> Glibido: >> All talk and no action. >> >> Dopeler effect: >> The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at >> you rapidly. >> >> Intaxication: >> Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it >> was your money to start with. >> >> >> And, the pick of the bunch: >> >> Ignoranus: >> A person who's both stupid and an a*hole. > From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 19 15:53:13 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:53:13 +0100 Subject: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: I have a three CD changer (Mitsui) and I find that it wont read a small number of CDs at all. In particular it has a complete downer on any Spocks Beard. More regretably it doesnt like PO90s Afterlifecycle which is a bit more critical. All these CDs work fine in the supercheapo blaster we have in the kitchen. T np - La Dusseldorf - first (Many thanks to KH for finding, buying and sending me this superb CD) From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 20 07:20:00 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:20:00 +0300 Subject: HAWKWIND - Just to let you know...... Message-ID: Hi Folks.. >Release news as follows: >1) Hawkwind 'Electric Teepee' remastered edition with new artwork is now >available and in stock from CD Services (Tel:01382-776595 and I'm there >all day tomorrow,Saturday, Hawkfans, or e.mail Agcdser at aol.com)at ?7.99 >UK price and it's great. It's a jewel case not a digi-pak like the >previous 7 were but the artwork reflects a similar style and lay-out. Digi-pak? >2)The Dark Sun vinyl tribute to Hawkwind is also in stock but the ltd >edition of 300 is now sold out and we've got 8 left, so hurry people. Yeah, this is great! I?m curious, what numbers there is available? >4)Those still waiting for the 'Atomhenge' double from '76 may well be in >for a very long wait indeed - sorry, but can't say more than that right >now. Looks like 'Thrilling Adventures' may end up on its own!! >Happy landings >Andy G(aribaldi). Andy, I still waiting catalog. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Sat May 20 13:43:03 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:43:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: FWIW I'd go for Marantz every time, my preference would be the CD63 MkII but don't know if that's in your price range, they are about 250 quid in the UK depending how hard you shop around. I usually grab a copy of What Hi-Fi and would suggest you get something similar. BTW, if there are any Audiophiles on the list you should expect a mass of conflicting advice, the only 'advice' I would press upon you would be: 1 Pick some kit in your price range. 2 Arrange to audition it on you own system if possible. 3 Buy it. 4 Enjoy... Most of the large retail stores and specialist centres in the UK will allow you to test kit in this fashion, just point out that if they can't help you you'll go somewhere that can with you cash in you pocket. Also don't forget to take your own samples of music with you, it may sound silly but some players are more suited to Classical or other styles of music. And remember also, some CD players will NOT play CD-R's very well, if you use any it's worth testing them, skipping tracks back and forward etc. As for functions, whatever suits you is best, I prefer machines with no remote and the ability to switch off the LED/LCD displays, apart from that I look at the connectors etc so I know it'll fit with whatever I've got to go with it. Horror stories, hmmm, one of the best CD players I had was only 30 quid brand new, worked fine... Good luck Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Hall, Russell J [mailto:russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM] >Sent: 19 May 2000 16:23 >Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested > > >I am planning on picking up a new CD player for the home as my >current one >has given up the ghost. > >The price range is under $300. Any advice is appreciated. >What models/brands are good. Which are bad. >What functions are worthwhile, which are not. >What should I look for. >Horror stories you've had. > >Thanks > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat May 20 16:46:52 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:46:52 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: Hmmm, who's going to the Dave Brock vocals then? Dave Brock? You never know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 May 2000 16:44 Subject: HW/NIK: Gwyl Ystalyfera >Right, I know what's happening now. Not Hawkwind, but... Nik Turner's >Reunion Band! > >And who's in Nik's Reunion? Well, get this: > >Nik Turner >Simon House >Terry Ollis >Thomas Crimble >Huw Lloyd-Langton > >and possibly, but not confirmed: > >DikMik! > >Profuse apologies for any confusion or worse. > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET Sat May 20 18:25:05 2000 From: ciwsolutions at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:25:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re. CD Player Advice Requested In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F716302@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: At 18:43 20/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >FWIW I'd go for Marantz every time, my preference would >be the CD63 MkII but don't know if that's in your price >range, they are about 250 quid in the UK depending how hard >you shop around. I usually grab a copy of What Hi-Fi and >would suggest you get something similar. Despite being one of the conflicting audiophiles ;-{)> I couldn't agree more....If shopping to a budget, you can't go far wrong by picking the relevant Marantz model, and it seem to be worth going for an 'SE' variant where possible. >BTW, if there are any Audiophiles on the list you should >expect a mass of conflicting advice, the only 'advice' I >would press upon you would be: > >1 Pick some kit in your price range. >2 Arrange to audition it on you own system if possible. >3 Buy it. >4 Enjoy... Absolutely, and as you said, take in samples of what you like, and any 'awkward' discs or CD-Rs. CD players are absolutely NOT neutral devices and you should try and hear your own preferred music, preferably with your own amp & speakers. For possible future upgrades it's also worth considering what (if any) digital output it has:- received opinion seems to be that electrical is better than optical for connection to an offboard DAC. My Luxman doesn't have one, but instead I have the luxury of a valve ouput stage :-{))))> Cheers, ChrisW ObBargains: PXR5 & New Race/The First & The Last (Both 12" vinyl) From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 21 05:52:54 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:52:54 -0700 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: Does anyone know the concerts at which footage was taken then used in the Promo Collection? Out of the Shadows Thirsty Whale 1990? Back in the box Treworgey 1989? Bournemouth 1990? Theres one or two other tracks but I think the footage came only from these concerts, unless someone proves me wrong! Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 21 05:56:24 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:56:24 -0700 Subject: HW/NIK: Gwyl Ystalyfera Message-ID: So thats not Daves backing band!? Andy Gilham wrote: > Right, I know what's happening now. Not Hawkwind, but... Nik Turner's > Reunion Band! > > And who's in Nik's Reunion? Well, get this: > > Nik Turner > Simon House > Terry Ollis > Thomas Crimble > Huw Lloyd-Langton > > and possibly, but not confirmed: > > DikMik! > > Profuse apologies for any confusion or worse. > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun May 21 02:15:03 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:15:03 +0200 Subject: HW:St.Albans City Hall 5/nov/80 Message-ID: Hi there, Can anyone confirm if there was a Hawkwind concert at St.Albans City Hall on 5/nov/80.I've asked Bernhard Pospiech and he doesn't know either .I've got concert dates for 3/11/80 and 6/11/80 but not for 4/11/80 and 5/11/80. The funny thing is I've got a tape who says St.Albans City Hall 5/11/80,but is it?? best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rainer Filip Vanhuyse schrieb: > Hi there, > > Can anyone confirm if there was a Hawkwind concert at St.Albans City Hall on > 5/nov/80.I've asked Bernhard Pospiech and he doesn't know either .I've got > concert dates for 3/11/80 and 6/11/80 but not for 4/11/80 and > 5/11/80. > The funny thing is I've got a tape who says St.Albans City Hall 5/11/80,but > is it?? > > best wishes > filip hawknut > > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun May 21 14:58:23 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:58:23 PDT Subject: OFF: Re: CD Player Advice Requested Message-ID: Well! I am in complete agreement w/ Chris W ") I am an audiophile, but I have been just watching, until he said what he did. Sometimes, it seems best to just let you guys "go off" instead of jumping in.... My best advice is listen to ALL of the CD players in your price range and pick the one the YOU like best. Sound preference is a subjective thang. Take a variety of what you like to listen too. I always try to take a full digital disc. That is a DDD disc. And w/ this day in age if you have an "HDCD" that is high definition recorded disc....Take that one too. If you are a disc burner etc. Take CD-R's to play. Also, if you have a stand alone audio disc burner, you will want one w/ a "digi" out. These days, you don't have to spend alot to find a CD player equipped w/ a digi out. The RCA jack is the most accepted. It will be one cable, one plug(jack)setup w/ a stereo Coaxial cable. I bought a MAGNAVOX CD player in 1985 and it lived for 10 years. One channel was getting week. I did the Circuit City - 30 day thang.....meaning I bought a CD player and brought it home. It was the best one that they had and was about $300. It was a Harmon Kardon. IT SOUNDED TERRIBLE! I was shocked I had heard other Harmon Kardon components and they were pretty nice. It had a very hard and cold sound. I took it back! (w/in the 30 day time period") And I got my money back. No problem. I think that I told them that I found another component that I liked better, at a better price... at one of their competitors ") Doug P is a very knowledgeable fellow. He and I definitely disagree on 2 items.... that being Huw Lloyd Langdon and CD players being dispensable. No offense, Doug you are still are pretty cool in my book ") And if everyone agreed, things would be pretty boring. I believe that these days the CD player is possibly the most integral component in one's system. I won't take up anymore space, here. I reviewed the Glastonbury '90 sound quality some time back and listed the components that I played the discs on.... I think that I was Doug that said that portion was boring.... FYI though.......When I bought the CD player that I ended up w/, one of the discs that I played was.... The Business Trip ") Peace, Darrin PS MAGNAVOX is owned by Philips, who invented many of the important components that make CD players function. You will find their components, as well as other companies in nearly every mass produced CD player made. PSS Anyone that thinks that all CD players sound the same and one is as good as another is quite simply wrong. Probably the best American made CD player is made by California Audio Labs and the best CD player in the world is made by Meridian. You CAN hear the difference. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun May 21 17:04:22 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:04:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: Ben sed... >Yes, stupid name for a venue *thirsty whale* maybe they can get some >sanity into the place now that the red queen of deliria has been turfed >out pf it's palace in England! This is the place in the west Chicago suburbs? I was at that show then. I don't think the club is in business any longer, right? It was a crappy little place anyway, and you couldn't even see the dinky little stage from about 70% of the club's floor space. The HW gig the previous night on the north side of Chicago (Cubby Bear, next to Wrigley Field) was much better. Though it was extremely loud for some reason. The Thirsty Whale show was with the Sex Kittens and Freddy Jones Band as openers. The former featured a female front person who was dressed as the band's name suggests, though the others were men IIRC. Funny thing is that she was at the show the previous night. The latter later put out a couple albums that actually were distributed over a big portion of the country, 'cause I see them from time to time in stores around here. Don't remember a thing about them. >linuxchaos wrote: > >> Does anyone know the concerts at which footage was taken then used in >> the Promo Collection? >> >> Out of the Shadows Thirsty Whale 1990? I don't know what this 'Promo Collection' is, but since you say 'footage' I'm assuming it's video, right? Well, then, if the stage is very small, not exactly 'square' to the rest of the club (i.e., it faced *away* from the bulk of the club!), the camera is not very far away from the stage, solid wall to the left (stage right), and the sound is terrible....well, that's it! It's been ten years, so my memory's a little suspect. But I *think* this is generally accurate. Grakkl (FAA) From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun May 21 21:37:22 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:37:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: Ah yes, the Thirsty Whale.... what a dive! The place was notorious as being a venue for third-rate down-and-out classic rock and hair-metal bands, so it was with horror that I found Hawkwind would be playing there in 1990. Whoever booked them at the Whale wasn't doing them any favors. I spoke to Bridgett at the show and she even said, "Well, it's a bit of a dive isn't it?" The opening band, Sex Kittens, was a heavy metal act with a female rock bitch for a lead singer.... they played two identical sets consecutively because (as Alan and Bridgett later told me) apparently the club people had been expecting Hawkwind to do two sets that night, but everyone was afraid to go out to the bus and ask the band what they were planning on doing.... so the Sex Kittens filled empty time by playing twice. When Hawkwind finally entered the club, they were surprised to find out that the place had actually been expecting them to play hours earlier as well as a later show. Alan had said they would have been perfectly happy to do that, but nobody told them a thing, so it was pretty late when they got their gear set up and went on. Hawkwind were awesome that night, maybe because it was such a tiny place and so incredibly informal and not like a club at all. The Thirsty Whale was more of a redneck/classic rocker pub, and I'm not sorry to see it go out of business. It was fantastic seeing Chicago Hawkwind shows at better venues, such as Cabaret Metro (unquestionably my favorite Chicago club with the finest sound system in Chicago) or Park West or Lounge Ax. I'm not that partial to Cubby Bear, but it's a lot better than The Thirsty Whale. John Majka > Ben sed... > > >Yes, stupid name for a venue *thirsty whale* maybe they can get some > >sanity into the place now that the red queen of deliria has been turfed > >out pf it's palace in England! > > This is the place in the west Chicago suburbs? I was at that show then. I > don't think the club is in business any longer, right? > > It was a crappy little place anyway, and you couldn't even see the dinky > little stage from about 70% of the club's floor space. The HW gig the > previous night on the north side of Chicago (Cubby Bear, next to Wrigley > Field) was much better. Though it was extremely loud for some reason. > > The Thirsty Whale show was with the Sex Kittens and Freddy Jones Band as > openers. The former featured a female front person who was dressed as the > band's name suggests, though the others were men IIRC. Funny thing is that > she was at the show the previous night. The latter later put out a couple > albums that actually were distributed over a big portion of the country, > 'cause I see them from time to time in stores around here. Don't remember a > thing about them. > > >linuxchaos wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know the concerts at which footage was taken then used in > >> the Promo Collection? > >> > >> Out of the Shadows Thirsty Whale 1990? > > I don't know what this 'Promo Collection' is, but since you say 'footage' > I'm assuming it's video, right? Well, then, if the stage is very small, not > exactly 'square' to the rest of the club (i.e., it faced *away* from the > bulk of the club!), the camera is not very far away from the stage, solid > wall to the left (stage right), and the sound is terrible....well, that's it! > > It's been ten years, so my memory's a little suspect. But I *think* this is > generally accurate. > > Grakkl (FAA) > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun May 21 21:12:39 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:12:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: More U. of Errors...tour on! Message-ID: Hi Folks once again.... Looks like they're going to make the effort to go to Europe after all. Again, email Michael Clare at mykelc at earthlink.net if you've got any suggestions for gigs, parties, activities, whatever on their journey. I'll post whatever new schedule he comes up with in a couple days. Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Message from The Administrator Department of Highest Potential Errors University Of eRrors Hello Friends and Fellow Students of the fine art of Errorology ---- I am pleased and relieved to be able to report the Daevid Allen's University of Errors are determined and commited to what is turning into the magical mystery floating anarchy tour of Western Europe. In deep discussion yesterday it was decided by the Famous and Illustrious Ancient Creaky Boned Headmaster and the approaching sub ancient overstressed administrator that "We must go forth and Errorize" --- the faculty is nuts enough to follow into this madness. The tour dates are slim and will be posted more accurately here and there in a day or two --- the original dates which you may have seen where there were lot's of TBC's are mostly No Go's ...woooo.... so we go guerilla. Spread this far and wide ... tell your friends in Europe ... we are available to be hosted, wined and dined and pampered by any .... off days are as expensive as gig days. As far as the August visit to the Northeast USA --- it is a go --- looks like it will be doubled --- great honors and thanks to all of you who responded to last weeks request for gig suggestions ---- again an itinerary will be posted in a few days. Check out the already outdated new websight- http://www.universityoferrors.com ---- we have this software that will allow memos from the road and soon will be able to get e-mails via faculty at universityoferrors.com --- at the moment those e-mails come bouncing to you back as undeliverable after 4 days, but the head of department of virtual communications is on the case. All donations are not tax deductable but good karma points applicable and gladly accepted via GAS --- buy a Money Doesn't Make It cd --- advance payment for the new one or the someday t-shirt and lesson book ---- Cheers and Belgian Beers To all-- Michael Department of Impetuosity university of errors a not by choice non-profit, non-affiliated free thinking organization of lunatix From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 22 14:55:37 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:55:37 -0700 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: Never went there but thats interesting! flossbac wrote: > Ah yes, the Thirsty Whale.... what a dive! The place was notorious as being > a venue for third-rate down-and-out classic rock and hair-metal bands, so it > was with horror that I found Hawkwind would be playing there in 1990. > Whoever booked them at the Whale wasn't doing them any favors. I spoke to > Bridgett at the show and she even said, "Well, it's a bit of a dive isn't > it?" The opening band, Sex Kittens, was a heavy metal act with a female > rock bitch for a lead singer.... they played two identical sets > consecutively because (as Alan and Bridgett later told me) apparently the > club people had been expecting Hawkwind to do two sets that night, but > everyone was afraid to go out to the bus and ask the band what they were > planning on doing.... so the Sex Kittens filled empty time by playing twice. > When Hawkwind finally entered the club, they were surprised to find out that > the place had actually been expecting them to play hours earlier as well as > a later show. Alan had said they would have been perfectly happy to do > that, but nobody told them a thing, so it was pretty late when they got > their gear set up and went on. Hawkwind were awesome that night, maybe > because it was such a tiny place and so incredibly informal and not like a > club at all. The Thirsty Whale was more of a redneck/classic rocker pub, > and I'm not sorry to see it go out of business. It was fantastic seeing > Chicago Hawkwind shows at better venues, such as Cabaret Metro > (unquestionably my favorite Chicago club with the finest sound system in > Chicago) or Park West or Lounge Ax. I'm not that partial to Cubby Bear, but > it's a lot better than The Thirsty Whale. > John Majka > > > Ben sed... > > > > >Yes, stupid name for a venue *thirsty whale* maybe they can get some > > >sanity into the place now that the red queen of deliria has been turfed > > >out pf it's palace in England! > > > > This is the place in the west Chicago suburbs? I was at that show then. > I > > don't think the club is in business any longer, right? > > > > It was a crappy little place anyway, and you couldn't even see the dinky > > little stage from about 70% of the club's floor space. The HW gig the > > previous night on the north side of Chicago (Cubby Bear, next to Wrigley > > Field) was much better. Though it was extremely loud for some reason. > > > > The Thirsty Whale show was with the Sex Kittens and Freddy Jones Band as > > openers. The former featured a female front person who was dressed as the > > band's name suggests, though the others were men IIRC. Funny thing is > that > > she was at the show the previous night. The latter later put out a couple > > albums that actually were distributed over a big portion of the country, > > 'cause I see them from time to time in stores around here. Don't remember > a > > thing about them. > > > > >linuxchaos wrote: > > > > > >> Does anyone know the concerts at which footage was taken then used in > > >> the Promo Collection? > > >> > > >> Out of the Shadows Thirsty Whale 1990? > > > > I don't know what this 'Promo Collection' is, but since you say 'footage' > > I'm assuming it's video, right? Well, then, if the stage is very small, > not > > exactly 'square' to the rest of the club (i.e., it faced *away* from the > > bulk of the club!), the camera is not very far away from the stage, solid > > wall to the left (stage right), and the sound is terrible....well, that's > it! > > > > It's been ten years, so my memory's a little suspect. But I *think* this > is > > generally accurate. > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon May 22 13:34:01 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:34:01 +0100 Subject: HW: hawkwind.freeserers.com Message-ID: The latest additions to http://www.hawkwind.freeservers.com are lyrics for Early Hawkwind and the Earth Ritual Preview. Stuart NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble - Couldn't Stand The= Weather Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6= 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind= passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon May 22 13:36:43 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:36:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Freeservers woops! Message-ID: There isn't a www. It's just= http://www.hawkwind.freeservers.com Sorry:-( Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6= 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind= passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon May 22 14:46:35 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:46:35 -0700 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: On Sun, 21 May 2000 20:37:22 -0500, flossbac wrote: >Ah yes, the Thirsty Whale.... what a dive! The place was notorious as being >a venue for third-rate down-and-out classic rock and hair-metal bands, so it >was with horror that I found Hawkwind would be playing there in 1990. >Whoever booked them at the Whale wasn't doing them any favors. It seems like whoever booked those '89 & '90 tours specialized in that kind of venue, but then again, that was what was big in America at the time (B.G. - Before Grunge). Three of the four venues they played in the SF Bay Area on those two tours fell into that category (One Step Beyond in Santa Clara, the Stone in San Francisco & the Omni in Oakland), and - funny enough - they're all out of business! No matter how much popular music might suck these days (doesn't it always?), I wouldn't want to revisit those frightening days of the late 80's ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Tue May 23 01:47:07 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:47:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Promo Collection / Thirsty Wale Message-ID: [Message 041052 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Tue May 23 01:58:13 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:58:13 -0700 Subject: Old Concert Halls Message-ID: [Message 041053 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon May 22 20:42:50 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:42:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rob Halford and Bob Halligan Jr. Message-ID: From http://heavymetal.about.com/entertainment/heavymetal/library/news/blnews1129 99.htm >Also, reported here previously and currently reported by Hardradio's Tim Henderson, ex Judas Priest >vocalist Rob Halford has returned to his Metal roots. Working alongside Roy Z and Bob Halligan Jr he >has written 22 new songs that sound very much like classic Priest mixed with the sounds of his harder >work with Fight. His new album is tentatively scheduled for a Spring 2000 release. Maybe Rob recorded the ultimate version of Beat 'Em Up? I can't remember, did Bob Halligan write for Priest as well as BOC in the past? If so, were his JP tunes better than the ones on Club Ninja? Anyway, I remember there being some "What's Halford doing these days?" discussions fairly recently, so I thought I would pass this on. Not related to Bob but lives near his hometown, Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Mon May 22 20:49:45 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:49:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Rob Halford and Bob Halligan Jr. Message-ID: Brian, Acording to my meager(so far; still growing!) Priest CD collection, Bob Halligan, Jr. wrote '(Take These) Chains' , from Screaming for Veangence, and 'Some Heads Are Gonna Roll' on Defenders of the Faith. he may have wrote more, but those are the only two I know of. Joe Loehr From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Mon May 22 21:39:55 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:39:55 -0400 Subject: SLOTERDIJK: New dates in Nederland Message-ID: Sunday June 4th: Langweiligkeits Festival, Concordia, Den Hague 17 bands, very underground. For further info you can write to f.renier at 2k.nl This is the e-mail address of Radio Tonka's Feddo Renier 104.7 FM den hague. Monday June 5th: Live radio performance on Radio Tonka 104.7 FM, den hague's premier pirate station. Sloterdijk will play during Feddo Renier's "Psychedelicatessan" 22:00-2:00 Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) P.S. See tourdates section of the Sloterdijk Control Center, for complete summer schedule http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From dahl at AROS.NET Tue May 23 01:44:40 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:44:40 -0600 Subject: BOC: Rob Halford and Bob Halligan Jr. Message-ID: >>>I can't remember, did Bob Halligan write for Priest as well as BOC in the past? He wrote "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll", which wasn't a bad tune for that album. I believe he wrote another song for them on the next album, but I can't remember what that was. Brad From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue May 23 06:56:09 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:56:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Krel, Spacehead Message-ID: Just thought I'd drop a line regarding Krel. (one of the top 2 Space rock bands - EVER - I won't say in which position though!) Even Dave said (back in 1992) that Krel were one of his favourite bands! I was going through my Krel collection at the weekend, and archiving my Krel tapes onto mini-disc. For the record, the known Krel archive is as follows: 1990 (?) "Ancient Tales" (?) a low key release of HW covers and early versions of Krel tracks 1991 "Who's Next on This", first official Krel cassette 1992 "Dark Star", released to coincide with the 1992 HW Tepee support slot 1992 "The Shed", never released, but one of the best tapes. Same material as on the HW tour. 1992 "Live at Reading, May 1992" superb 45 minute M-desk tape, includes "Where Are They Now?" 1992 "Scientific Fiction", Solo Tape of Martin M, never released 1993 "Earth Zero", third official release 1994 "About Time" pre-version of the CD, different versions and many different tracks 1996 "Deeper" ambient solo material from Martin M. Unreleased. 1997 "Ad Astra", first CD, released by Andy G, on the Dead Earnest label There are also a few other live Krel tapes doing the rounds too. Mr Dibs (of Spacehead Fame) appears on everything (except Martin's solo stuff) up to 1993's "Earth Zero". The CD of "Ad Astra" was THE best Space Rock CD of 1997 (remember, the year of DH!), and there's at least 3 more CD's worth of archive that could - no SHOULD be released (Come on Andy - how about some of the archive being released on Dead Earnest ????) I thought I'd share the information with you, as I know that a lot of HW-type folk really enjoy Krel's music. I have one question. Does anybody have a copy of the first tape, as I am missing the cover, and don't know the titles of some of the tracks? Best wishes, Guy T. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 23 07:34:01 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:34:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: HW: Slip Mats > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > Anyone interested? > > Ben > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 23 07:38:49 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: HW: Slip Mats > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > Anyone interested? Definitely - but my turntable uses a felt slip mat rather than a rubber one. Does this make a difference? jill Obapologyinadvance: if I've just kicked started a discussion on the merits of different types of record player slip mats! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 23 07:41:16 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:41:16 EDT Subject: BOC: Rob Halford and Bob Halligan Jr. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 May 00, at 20:49, Joe Loehr wrote: > Brian, > > Acording to my meager(so far; still growing!) Priest CD collection, > Bob Halligan, Jr. wrote '(Take These) Chains' , from Screaming for > Veangence, and 'Some Heads Are Gonna Roll' on Defenders of the Faith. > he may have wrote more, but those are the only two I know of. > Well, that's two too many! And didn't he write a couple tunes on Club Ninja? That's definitely two too many! I'm trying to block it out... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 23 07:45:45 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:45:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Rob Halford and Bob Halligan Jr. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000522203839.00975230@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: On 22 May 00, at 20:42, Brian Halligan wrote: > Maybe Rob recorded the ultimate version of Beat 'Em Up? I can't > remember, did Bob Halligan write for Priest as well as BOC in the > past? If so, were his JP tunes better than the ones on Club Ninja? Is this a trick question? Actually, the JP songs work better than the 2 on CN. Compared to the lyrics on Jugulator, Halligan's tunes sound possitively Shakespearean! Compared to Pearlman and Meltzer's, they sound like high school pep rally material... theo > Anyway, I remember there being some "What's Halford doing these days?" > discussions fairly recently, so I thought I would pass this on. > > Not related to Bob but lives near his hometown, > Brian > > ----- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com/ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 23 07:55:35 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:55:35 +0100 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: My office mate remembers a festival with Hawkwind which he thinks was in May or August 1986 at Leeds Queens Hall with the following line up of bands: Hawkwind, Dr and the Medics, Pink Fairies (with 2 drummers), Bob Calvert and the Starfighters, The Enid, Spaceman 3. However I've been looking through the listings and can't find anything that quite matches this. I suspect that either the date of 1986 is wrong or Bob Calvert wasn't playing with the Starfighters since that band was only formed in 1987. Therefore Acid Daze 2 at Leeds in Nov 1987 comes closest but I've no idea if the Enid played then. Acid Daze 1 was in August 1987 but was in Finsbury Park and the Enid don't seem to have played there. If 1986 is correct then Bob Calvert must have been touring with one of his other bands but I don't know if anyone played at the Leeds Queen Hall that year - Hawkwind are listed for Leeds Uniersity in November but that's all. I think the Enid may be the key to this. Anyone know when/if Hawkwind and the Enid appeared on the same programme together? Always assuming that this isn't another sad case of memory fade!! jill From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue May 23 09:22:10 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:22:10 +0100 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: I was there. Acid Daze II - Sometime between October 87 and June 88 - so Nov 87 fits that. Part of a three day fesival - a spacerock day, a 70s day (Headlined by Gary Glitter) and (I think) a punk day. Calvert wasn't there - Suicide played. I think it was their last UK appearence until a coupla years ago. The rest of the lineup's spot on. (Acid Daze I featured Gaye Bykers on Acid). Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill Strobridge To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig > My office mate remembers a festival with Hawkwind which he thinks was in > May or August 1986 at Leeds Queens Hall with the following line up of > bands: Hawkwind, Dr and the Medics, Pink Fairies (with 2 drummers), > Bob Calvert and the Starfighters, The Enid, Spaceman 3. However I've > been looking through the listings and can't find anything that quite > matches this. I suspect that either the date of 1986 is wrong or Bob > Calvert wasn't playing with the Starfighters since that band was only > formed in 1987. Therefore Acid Daze 2 at Leeds in Nov 1987 comes > closest but I've no idea if the Enid played then. Acid Daze 1 was in > August 1987 but was in Finsbury Park and the Enid don't seem to have > played there. If 1986 is correct then Bob Calvert must have been > touring with one of his other bands but I don't know if anyone played at > the Leeds Queen Hall that year - Hawkwind are listed for Leeds Uniersity > in November but that's all. > > I think the Enid may be the key to this. Anyone know when/if Hawkwind > and the Enid appeared on the same programme together? Always assuming > that this isn't another sad case of memory fade!! > > jill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue May 23 18:37:04 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:37:04 BST Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I was there too, it was definitely '87. Bob did play, although it was very early in the line-up. I seem to remember that Tublilah Dog were the opening act. All the best Mick > I was there. Acid Daze II - Sometime between October 87 and June 88 - so >Nov 87 fits that. Part of a three day fesival - a spacerock day, a 70s day >(Headlined by Gary Glitter) and (I think) a punk day. Calvert wasn't >there - Suicide played. I think it was their last UK appearence until a >coupla years ago. The rest of the lineup's spot on. (Acid Daze I featured >Gaye Bykers on Acid). > >Cheers, > >Rich. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jill Strobridge >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:55 PM >Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig > > > My office mate remembers a festival with Hawkwind which he thinks was in > May or August 1986 at Leeds Queens Hall with the following line up of > bands: Hawkwind, Dr and the Medics, Pink Fairies (with 2 drummers), > Bob Calvert and the Starfighters, The Enid, Spaceman 3. However I've > been looking through the listings and can't find anything that quite > matches this. I suspect that either the date of 1986 is wrong or Bob > Calvert wasn't playing with the Starfighters since that band was only > formed in 1987. Therefore Acid Daze 2 at Leeds in Nov 1987 comes > closest but I've no idea if the Enid played then. Acid Daze 1 was in > August 1987 but was in Finsbury Park and the Enid don't seem to have > played there. If 1986 is correct then Bob Calvert must have been > touring with one of his other bands but I don't know if anyone played at > the Leeds Queen Hall that year - Hawkwind are listed for Leeds Uniersity > in November but that's all. > > I think the Enid may be the key to this. Anyone know when/if Hawkwind > and the Enid appeared on the same programme together? Always assuming > that this isn't another sad case of memory fade!! > > jill > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue May 23 13:50:02 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:50:02 +0200 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: Richard Lockwood schrieb: > (Acid Daze I featured Gaye Bykers on Acid). And Pop will eat itself who did Orgone Accumulator. Naz Nomad and the Nightmares were also quite good. Voodoo Child appeared as well - a perfect Hendrix clone. And it was the first time in my life I saw the Ozrics. Ah, those were the days... Andreas From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue May 23 18:58:35 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:58:35 BST Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: I forgot to mention that The Enid did play - for what seemed like a bloody eternity. In fact Hawkwind didn't do an encore because there was no time left at the end of the night. I think this is the only time I've never seen them do an encore, although they might not have done one at Futurama in '79 (also QH Leeds)but my memory is hazy on that one Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue May 23 14:52:02 2000 From: Brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:52:02 +0100 Subject: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig In-Reply-To: <013b01bfc4ad$cea57740$f126883e@jds> Message-ID: Hello all I to was there isnt it a small world the third day was a thrash metal day with Kreator, Overkill and Virus amongst others. I remember buy The Deep Fix New Worlds Fair and Steve Swindells Fresh Blood at a record fair on the Sunday morning. ah Nostalgia Yours Brian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 23 20:28:29 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:28:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong/UoE 'complete' schedule Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, here is the complete Gong/University of Errors schedule as it now stands. Another week of dates (as promised) added for the U of Errors here in the states, and the beginnings of a 'worldwide' Gong tour all the way through to November. Whew! I hope the old man can keep it up! :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. There are more dates of related Gong entities available (as always) at the GAS site at http://www.sonnet.co.uk/gong-gas I think. GONG... Sun 28th May South Coast Festival (Daevid, Gilli, Mike, Theo, Chris and Gwyo) Due on stage at around 7.00pm and will play till sunset. UK, Dorset, Blandford. Festival. tel 01202-731-419 or www.blanfest.co.uk DAEVID ALLEN'S UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS...JUNE/JULY, EUROPEAN DATES Now for something completely mad. A rare chance to see the wonderfully bizarre, psychedelic extravaganza that is the American based University of Errors, in Europe...but you?re gonna have to work a bit to see them as they "go forth and Errorize". If you are thinking of going to one of the gigs, and I highly recommend it, try and ring up first. Thurs 1st June Belgium, Brussels, VK Club. Schoolstraat 76. tel +32 (0)2 414 2907 Mon 5th June Norway, Haugesund (West coast). tel +47-9719-6440 Tues 6th June Norway, Oslo (or 7th, tba) Thurs 8th June Denmark, Copenhagen, Loppen. Badsmanstrade +43. tel 45-3257 8422 Fri 9th June Germany, Kaltenkirchen, Nr Hamburg. Tues 13th June Austria, Vienna, Szene Wien, Hauffgasse 26. tel +43-(1)749-1775-14 www.szenewien.com Wed 14th June Austria, Innsbruck, tba. Thurs 15th June Italy, Verona (or 18th), tba. Fri 16th June Italy, Trento. Sat 17th June Italy, tba. Sun 18th June Italy, (Verona) or France, tba. Mon 19th June France, tba. Tues 20th June France, tba. Fri 23rd June Belgium, Liege, La Zone. Rue Mean 27. tel +32 (0)4 341 0727 Daevid to Glastonbury and back, presumably... Wed 28th June Belgium, Diksmuide, 4AD. Bortierlaan 3. tel +32 (0)51 504 894 Thurs 29th June Holland, Amsterdam, Kalenderpanden. Entrepotdok. tel +31(0)20 420 6645 Fri 30th June UK, London (or 1st July), venue tba . GONG Sun 25th June UK, Glastonbury Festival. Green Fields, Avalon Stage, last thing Sun night. (Daevid, Gilli, Mike, Didier, Chris and Gwyo) Fri 7th July Finland, Imatra, Big Band Festival. (Daevid, Gilli, Mike, Theo, Chris and Gwyo) Fri 21st July France, Albi Festival. Tues 25th July France, Arles Festival. In the Roman Amphitheatre. (Daevid, Gilli, Mike, Didier, Theo, Chris and Gwyo) DAEVID & THE SPACEGOATS Fri 28th July UK, Wiltshire Downs, Nr Warminster. tel 0208 941 6674 Daevid along with some friends will play one of the nicest possible festivals of the year. All caf? stages are powered by just the wind, sun and the people. It?s all a bit like the Glastonbury Festi Green Fields, but by themselves. The Gathering runs from 26th-30th July. Many other mates will also be there including the Kangaroo Moon, Seize the Day, Invisibles, Spacegoats, Global, Nik Turner?s All Stars, etc. Tickets are ?55 (in advance only) from PO Box 155, Hampton, TW12 2FJ. Cheques payable to Big Green. Further info www.big-green-gathering.com GONG Sat 29th July UK, Guildford, Surrey, Stoke Park, Aladdin?s Cave Stage, 10.00pm. tel 0207 771 2000. or www.ticket.co.uk Sun 30th July UK, Mount Ephraim Gardens, Herne Hill, Faversham, Kent. Gong on stage 8.30pm. Tickets priced ?15 in advance. With Caravan, Colosseum, Arthur Brown, Man and more. Available from: CSF Ticket Sales, PO Box 30, Faversham, Kent, ME13 8AA NB: UK Applications must contain S.A.E. European bookings must add ?1.50 per ticket for postage and administration costs. Cheques / Postal Orders payable to "The Canterbury Sound Festival Ltd." Also available from: Canterbury Bookings Tel: +44 (0)1227 455600. Ticket Web Tel: +44 (0)20 7771 2000 or www.ticketweb.co.uk Tickets ?20 on the day (children under 14 free per ticket holding adult) Website, active as from the end of May, www.canterburysoundfestival.com Please note, the Festival site only has a capacity of 3000 people so advance booking is strongly advised. UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS...AUGUST, USA DATES Daevid and the Errors Tues 8th Aug USA, New Haven, Tuneinn. Wed 9th Aug USA, New York City, Knitting Factory. Thurs 10th Aug USA, Washington DC, Metro Caf?. Fri 11th Aug USA, Strange Daze Festival, Nelson Ledges Quarry Park, Nelson, Ohio. Festival runs to 13th, also there Harvey Bainbridge, Richard Chadwick, Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace, Born to Go, Architectural Metaphor, Thom the World Poet. All the info at www.Strange-Trips.com Sat 12th Aug USA, Chicago, Schubas. Sun 13th Aug USA, Milwaukee WS, Shank Hall. Tues 15th Aug USA, Rochester N.Y., Bug Jar. Wed 16th Aug USA, Pittsburgh PA, tba. Thurs 17th Aug USA, Philadelphia, PA, Pontiac Grille. GONG...SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER, N. AMERICAN TOUR Undoubtedly subject to tweakerage, shuffle-ation and amendment. Wed 6th Sept USA, San Diego CA, tba. Thurs7th Sept USA, Los Angles, Knitting Factory. Fri 8th Sept USA, tbc. Sat 9th Sept USA, San Francisco, Great American Music Hall. Tues 12th Sept USA, Eugene OR. Wed 13th Sept USA, Portland OR, Berbattis Pan. Thurs 14th Sept USA, Seattle WA. Fri 15th Sept Canada, Vancouver, tba. Sun 17th Sept USA, Salt Lake City UT, tba. Tues 19th Sept USA, Denver CO, Blue Bird. Wed 20th Sept USA, Lawrence KA., Bottleneck. Fri 22nd Sept USA, Minneapolis IN. Sat 23rd Sept USA, Madison WI, tbc. Sun 24th Sept USA, Chicago, House of Blues. Tues 26th Sept USA, Cleveland OH, Odeon. Wed 27th Sept USA, Columbus, OH, tbc. Fri 29th Sept USA, Washington DC, Black Cat. Sat 30th Sept USA, New York City, Knitting Factory. Sun 1st Oct USA, Philadelphia NJ, Trocadero. Tues 3rd Oct USA, Boston, Middle East. Wed 4th Oct Canada, Montreal, tba. Thurs 5th Oct Canada, Toronto, Lees Palace. Fri 6th Oct Canada, tba. Sat 7th Oct USA, Ann Arbour, Prog Festival. GONG...OCTOBER S. AMERICAN DATES If the Brazil, Chile and Argentina dates don't go ahead at the beginning of September they may happen in the second week of October, tbc. If they don?t happen here...well I guess maybe next year? GONG...OCTOBER, EUROPEAN TOUR Now organising a full on European tour which will run from mid October possibly into November in the Low Countries, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia. Details as the information comes in. GONG...NOVEMBER, GREEK GIGS Almost certain to happen, but maybe in the reverse order, if you know what I mean...Gong's first trip to Greece. Sat 4th Nov Greece, Athens, Radon Club, tbc. Sun 5th Nov Greece, Salonika, Mylos, tbc. GONG...NOVEMBER, UK TOUR Finally here is the long range Gong gig forecast for the Misty Isles. Hurrah Scottish gigs! Tickets can be booked from the box office telephone numbers given or from www.ticketweb.com Tickets are ?10.00 in advance, except London which is ?12.00, these prices may be subject to a booking fee. Mon 20th Nov UK, London, Hackney Empire. ?12.00 adv. tel 0208 985 2424 Wed 22nd Nov UK, Shrewsbury, Music Hall. tel 01743 281 281 Thurs 23rd Nov UK, Whitley Bay, Dome. tel 0191 251 2800 or www.domarts.com Fri 24th Nov UK, Aberdeen, Lemon Tree. tel 01224 642 230 Sat 25th Nov UK, Glasgow, Renfrew Ferry. tel 0141 287 5511 Sun 26th Nov UK, Edinburgh, Liquid Rooms. 0131 226 7010 or 0131 3220 3234. Tue 28th Nov UK, Sheffield, Boardwalk. tel 0114 279 9090 Wed 29th Nov UK, Cambridge, Junction. tel 01223 511 511 Thurs 30th Nov UK, Northampton, Roadmenders. tel 01604 604 222 Then Daevid and Gilli breathe a long sigh of relief and return to Oz to be chez family thru the Winter/Summer and we plan more giggling raids around Planet Mirth in 2001. From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Tue May 23 22:37:14 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:37:14 -0500 Subject: Warrior on the Edge of Time CD Message-ID: *********Wanted: Warrior on the Edge of Time CD. Condition: Like new. Cash to you: $50.00 J. Wesley Berry From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed May 24 03:33:07 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:33:07 +0100 Subject: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: Ahh... Now I remember... Nostalgia's just not what it used to be. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Coulthard To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig > Hello all > I to was there isnt it a small world the third day was a thrash > metal day with Kreator, Overkill and Virus amongst others. I remember buy > The Deep Fix New Worlds Fair and Steve Swindells Fresh Blood at a record > fair on the Sunday morning. ah Nostalgia > > Yours > Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed May 24 08:05:52 2000 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:05:52 -0400 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: >And Pop will eat itself who did Orgone Accumulator. Naz Nomad and the Nightmares Naz Nomad & The Nightmares was actually the Damned in disguise. The only time I got to see my two fave bands on the same bill :) Still the least enjoyable HW gig I've seen though :( Dave >Andreas > > From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Wed May 24 09:38:08 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:38:08 -0500 Subject: Gong/UoE 'complete' schedule Message-ID: See my note for the Friday 22nd Sept show. -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:28 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: OFF: Gong/UoE 'complete' schedule GONG...SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER, N. AMERICAN TOUR Undoubtedly subject to tweakerage, shuffle-ation and amendment. Wed 6th Sept USA, San Diego CA, tba. Thurs7th Sept USA, Los Angles, Knitting Factory. Fri 8th Sept USA, tbc. Sat 9th Sept USA, San Francisco, Great American Music Hall. Tues 12th Sept USA, Eugene OR. Wed 13th Sept USA, Portland OR, Berbattis Pan. Thurs 14th Sept USA, Seattle WA. Fri 15th Sept Canada, Vancouver, tba. Sun 17th Sept USA, Salt Lake City UT, tba. Tues 19th Sept USA, Denver CO, Blue Bird. Wed 20th Sept USA, Lawrence KA., Bottleneck. Fri 22nd Sept USA, Minneapolis IN. By the looks of the gigs before and after this one, it would seem that this should be Minneapolis MN (Minnesota) as opposed to IN (Indiana). I really hope so 'cause then I can go see them. Todd H Sat 23rd Sept USA, Madison WI, tbc. Sun 24th Sept USA, Chicago, House of Blues. Tues 26th Sept USA, Cleveland OH, Odeon. Wed 27th Sept USA, Columbus, OH, tbc. Fri 29th Sept USA, Washington DC, Black Cat. Sat 30th Sept USA, New York City, Knitting Factory. Sun 1st Oct USA, Philadelphia NJ, Trocadero. Tues 3rd Oct USA, Boston, Middle East. Wed 4th Oct Canada, Montreal, tba. Thurs 5th Oct Canada, Toronto, Lees Palace. Fri 6th Oct Canada, tba. Sat 7th Oct USA, Ann Arbour, Prog Festival. GONG...OCTOBER S. AMERICAN DATES If the Brazil, Chile and Argentina dates don't go ahead at the beginning of September they may happen in the second week of October, tbc. If they don?t happen here...well I guess maybe next year? GONG...OCTOBER, EUROPEAN TOUR Now organising a full on European tour which will run from mid October possibly into November in the Low Countries, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia. Details as the information comes in. GONG...NOVEMBER, GREEK GIGS Almost certain to happen, but maybe in the reverse order, if you know what I mean...Gong's first trip to Greece. Sat 4th Nov Greece, Athens, Radon Club, tbc. Sun 5th Nov Greece, Salonika, Mylos, tbc. GONG...NOVEMBER, UK TOUR Finally here is the long range Gong gig forecast for the Misty Isles. Hurrah Scottish gigs! Tickets can be booked from the box office telephone numbers given or from www.ticketweb.com Tickets are ?10.00 in advance, except London which is ?12.00, these prices may be subject to a booking fee. Mon 20th Nov UK, London, Hackney Empire. ?12.00 adv. tel 0208 985 2424 Wed 22nd Nov UK, Shrewsbury, Music Hall. tel 01743 281 281 Thurs 23rd Nov UK, Whitley Bay, Dome. tel 0191 251 2800 or www.domarts.com Fri 24th Nov UK, Aberdeen, Lemon Tree. tel 01224 642 230 Sat 25th Nov UK, Glasgow, Renfrew Ferry. tel 0141 287 5511 Sun 26th Nov UK, Edinburgh, Liquid Rooms. 0131 226 7010 or 0131 3220 3234. Tue 28th Nov UK, Sheffield, Boardwalk. tel 0114 279 9090 Wed 29th Nov UK, Cambridge, Junction. tel 01223 511 511 Thurs 30th Nov UK, Northampton, Roadmenders. tel 01604 604 222 Then Daevid and Gilli breathe a long sigh of relief and return to Oz to be chez family thru the Winter/Summer and we plan more giggling raids around Planet Mirth in 2001. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 24 10:38:59 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:38:59 +0800 Subject: HW:inferior talent Message-ID: Hi Kris I know this is a reply to an email a few weeks back, but my PC was out of action until today. There is a biography that I have seen in the shops on Eric Clapton, within which Dave gets quite a few mentions. I can check on the author for you if you wish? William ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Sorry to write so long after the subject came up! Filip, have you got the David Bowie and Eric Clapton articles? Any chance of sending us copies? Thanks Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: HW:inferior talent Hello all, I don't agree with some of you who tell that Hawkwind has inferior talent. I have a article with David Bowie where he is asked about the best artists he ever played with and he states:Andrew Belew and Simon House!!! And wasn't Alan Davey a hell of a bass-player? I also have a biography of Eric Clapton who states that he and Mr.Brock played together.I asked Dave about it and he said it's TRUE !! Best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 24 10:53:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:53:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: CD Player Advice Requested In-Reply-To: Mark Lee's message of Sat, 20 May 2000 18:43:03 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Lee writes: > FWIW I'd go for Marantz every time, my preference would > be the CD63 MkII but don't know if that's in your price > range, they are about 250 quid in the UK depending how hard > you shop around. Yep, that's the one I plumped for in the end (the special edition) and I've been very pleased with it apart from a silly glitch with its matching of CD tracks to specified tape lengths. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 24 11:24:24 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:24:24 +0800 Subject: HW:Hawkfrendz and Bellyflops! Message-ID: > In message <000a01bfb2c3$7c39e8c0$73a208d4 at d8o7x0>, Filip Vanhuyse > writes > > Is Trevor still alive?!? (just kidding) > > Saw him half an hour ago at the TUC Comic mart. > Bought a load of "Wham!'"s from 1967 off him. > Drool!! Drool!!! Great comic!!! William From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed May 24 12:59:07 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:59:07 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! Message-ID: Happy 53rd Birthday to BOC-L's most famous drummer, Mr. Albert T. "I Play The Drums" Bouchard! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 24 13:21:31 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:21:31 EDT Subject: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! In-Reply-To: <392C0A42.688C09B4@mitre.org> Message-ID: On 24 May 00, at 12:59, John A. Swartz wrote: > Happy 53rd Birthday to BOC-L's most famous drummer, Mr. Albert T. "I > Play The Drums" Bouchard! And so say all of us! Al, you look at least ten years younger than 53... theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed May 24 13:44:17 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:44:17 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! Message-ID: At 01:21 PM 5/24/2000 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >On 24 May 00, at 12:59, John A. Swartz wrote: > >> Happy 53rd Birthday to BOC-L's most famous drummer, Mr. Albert T. "I >> Play The Drums" Bouchard! > >And so say all of us! Al, you look at least ten years younger than >53... Heh. "I spent 10 years, 18.9% my life, just gettin ready...." Happy birthday, Al! "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed May 24 16:24:28 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:24:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: July 7th (Thursday) at the 7th Street Entry 9pm. Hawkwind members Richards, Chadwick, Captain Rizz, and the 2 Steves Harvey Bainbridge's Interstellar Choas Skye Klad Lights provided by the Solar Fire Lightshow. Plans are for the whole event to be webcast(audio and video), just for you folks too far away to attend. The headliners will be doing mostly new material, with Harvey possibly joining in for an encore of classic HW tunes. I believe this will be the second date of the mini tour. PLEASE come out and support us, a lot of money and effort is being invested in this. Tickets available in advance, contact me personally for purchase. From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed May 24 16:31:55 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:31:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: > July 7th (Thursday) at the 7th Street Entry 9pm. > Oops, That should read July 27th! Repeat the show is July 27th not 7th. dan From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed May 24 17:54:05 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:54:05 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! Message-ID: "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > Heh. "I spent 10 years, 18.9% my life, just gettin ready...." > > Happy birthday, Al! > Thanks. I'd try that but I think it'll be too much of a tongue twister. From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed May 24 18:01:17 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:01:17 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! Message-ID: Al, HAPPY B-Day!!! It'd be great if you came to So-Cal soon!! Dr. Ductor -----Original Message----- From: Albert Bouchard [SMTP:ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:54 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Al Bouchard!! "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > Heh. "I spent 10 years, 18.9% my life, just gettin ready...." > > Happy birthday, Al! > Thanks. I'd try that but I think it'll be too much of a tongue twister. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 24 19:43:41 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:43:41 PDT Subject: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- Message-ID: OK, I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. HAWKMAN are you out there? Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? Also, I have never heard these recordings. Would someone please give an unbiased opinion. Someone that actually likes Huw LLoyd-Langton would be cool ") I REALLY liked his work w/ Hawkwind and was really bummed when he departed, but that's another story... Are these albums Spacerock? Do they resemble HW in any way? Or are they more straight ahead rock-n-roll, like the Widowmaker albums? Are the lyrics up to comparison w/ the other Langton (wife) co-penned HW tunes? etc... Peace, Darrin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-ELEGY Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been available from their web site for a few years.10 tracks including 'Shine A Light', 'The Night Is Young' & 'Nature Calls'. LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-RIVER RUN Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been available from their web site for a few years.9 tracks including 'Dancing in the Rain' & 'All Jigged Up'. Featuring Rob Mayers & Volker Von Hoff. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 25 04:06:33 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:06:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Slip Mats Message-ID: I dont see why you cant use a felt slip mat, shouldnt make any difference :-) Jill Strobridge wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 4:35 PM > Subject: HW: Slip Mats > > > I just had this idea of making Hawkwind slip mats for record decks. > > Does anyone know if there are any in existence? > > I thought the Doremi logo would be ideal. > > Anyone interested? > > Definitely - but my turntable uses a felt slip mat rather than a rubber > one. Does this > make a difference? > > jill > > Obapologyinadvance: if I've just kicked started a discussion on the > merits of different types of record player slip mats! From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu May 25 04:11:23 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:11:23 -0700 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: It was Acid Daze II queens hall leeds august 1987. gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >And Pop will eat itself who did Orgone Accumulator. Naz Nomad and the > Nightmares > > Naz Nomad & The Nightmares was actually the Damned in disguise. The only > time I got to see my two fave bands on the same bill :) > Still the least enjoyable HW gig I've seen though :( > > Dave > > >Andreas > > > > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 25 03:35:21 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:35:21 +0100 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig In-Reply-To: <200005241205.IAA18071@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <200005241205.IAA18071 at mailgate.spc.edu>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >Naz Nomad & The Nightmares was actually the Damned in disguise. The only >time I got to see my two fave bands on the same bill :) >Still the least enjoyable HW gig I've seen though :( Rat setting fire to his drum kit was fun, especially in the supertent! Hawkwind's sound wasn't too good though. I seem to remember it felt like being kicked in the throat if you went down the front. -- Jon From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu May 25 06:25:51 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:25:51 +1000 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: On 24 May 2000, at 15:31, Dan Witt wrote: > > July 7th (Thursday) at the 7th Street Entry 9pm. > > Oops, > > That should read July 27th! Repeat the show is July 27th not 7th. So does that mean they'll be on the West Coast on/near July 7 instead??? Wishfully, Sonique in Oz (but in LA July 6/7, San Diego July 8-12) -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu May 25 10:01:24 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:01:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: > > That should read July 27th! Repeat the show is July 27th not 7th. > > So does that mean they'll be on the West Coast on/near July 7 instead??? > I don't think so. The Minneapolis date is the second city. Plans are for Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Madison(maybe), Chicago, and a few east coast dates. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 25 08:57:52 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:57:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong/UoE 'complete' schedule Message-ID: Hi Folks... One change... UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS...AUGUST, USA DATES Thurs 17th Aug USA, Philadelphia, PA, Pontiac Grille. Now at the Khyber Pass. Same day. All dates now updated at: http://www.universityoferrors.com They've also got a tour diary there now, so presumably that changes/additions/subtractions to the tour schedule can also be handled while on the road in Europe. Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 25 08:58:19 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:58:19 -0400 Subject: Gong/UoE 'complete' schedule Message-ID: Hi Folks... One change... UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS...AUGUST, USA DATES Thurs 17th Aug USA, Philadelphia, PA, Pontiac Grille. Now at the Khyber Pass. Same day. All dates now updated at: http://www.universityoferrors.com They've also got a tour diary there now, so presumably that changes/additions/subtractions to the tour schedule can also be handled while on the road in Europe. Keith H. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu May 25 10:08:10 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:08:10 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind in Oz. Studio 22 date Message-ID: Hi All The Studio 22 recording by Hawkwind (on the ABC here in Australia) is slated in to be screened on 27th July (according to the Studio 22 web page). William A PS for Bernhard. I've lost your email address due to a major crash of my computer. Could you send it to me again? From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 25 10:18:27 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:18:27 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Didn't someone on this list say about six months ago that Porcupine Tree had split up??? I found this on http://www.mediumproductions.co.uk/ 1999 Porcupine Tree Stupid Dream Kscope (Snapper Records) 1999 Porcupine Tree Piano Lesson Kscope (Snapper Records) - 7" single What's the deal??? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu May 25 10:44:35 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:44:35 -0500 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: I can't find my HW lyrics file, can someone either email me a copy or provide a URL. Thanks in advance. Is there any interest out there for HW tabs? I know of only one song on the web, Jack of Shadows. Any players willing to pool our knowledge and see how many songs we can work out? -- Doug Bates From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu May 25 10:50:12 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:50:12 -0500 Subject: OFF:Hovercraft Message-ID: Anyone have any info about Hovercraft? What is the best starter CD to buy? -- Doug Bates From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu May 25 11:03:38 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:33:38 +0930 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: Hi michael blackman here i dont have any tab for hawkwind but would love to get some cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Bates To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs > I can't find my HW lyrics file, can someone either > email me a copy or provide a URL. Thanks in advance. > > Is there any interest out there for HW tabs? I know of only > one song on the web, Jack of Shadows. Any players willing > to pool our knowledge and see how many songs we can work > out? > > > > -- > Doug Bates > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 25 10:08:52 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:08:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: ZM suggests.... >Didn't someone on this list say about six months ago that Porcupine Tree had >split up??? Huh? Nooooooo, far from it! >I found this on http://www.mediumproductions.co.uk/ > >1999 Porcupine Tree Stupid Dream Kscope (Snapper Records) > >1999 Porcupine Tree Piano Lesson Kscope (Snapper Records) - 7" single > >What's the deal??? That's OLLLLLLDDDDD news. Look for... 2000 (released in the UK, May 22...that was Monday) Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun on K-Scope/Snapper and 2000 (released a month ago or so) Porcupine Tree - Four Chords that Made a Million on K-scope/Snapper - single (7" and CD-S both prolly) and for those in the UK, I think there are three random live dates scheduled for sometime soon. I think a visit to http://www.pt-fans.com would have them. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Anyone heard Lightbulb Sun yet? It doesn't come out in the US for awhile yet, so I'll be waiting. P.P.S. And those in Germany...they're playing at the Burg Herzburg fest this year. From denis at D-RIDER.DE Thu May 25 12:27:12 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:27:12 +0200 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, At 16:44 25.05.00, Doug Bates wrote: >Is there any interest out there for HW tabs? Yes!! Especially if they're bass-tabs. >I know of only one song on the web, Jack of Shadows. >Any players willing to pool our knowledge and see how >many songs we can work out? The tab of "PSI Power" was posted here long ago by some kind listmember (John Majka?). I'm sure you can still find them in the BOC-L archive. (C)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Thu May 25 14:05:11 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- Message-ID: I like Huw ALOT. Haven't heard these. I have heard "TIme and Space" and was pretty disappointed. IMO, subdued guitar, drum-machine drumming, Huw sounds like Huw vocally. It sounds like HW only in Huw's singing. I like the album, but I expected better. -----Original Message----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- >OK, > >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. > >HAWKMAN are you out there? > >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? > >Also, I have never heard these recordings. Would someone please give an >unbiased opinion. Someone that actually likes Huw LLoyd-Langton would be >cool ") > >I REALLY liked his work w/ Hawkwind and was really bummed when he departed, >but that's another story... > >Are these albums Spacerock? Do they resemble HW in any way? Or are they more >straight ahead rock-n-roll, like the Widowmaker albums? Are the lyrics up to >comparison w/ the other Langton (wife) co-penned HW tunes? etc... > >Peace, > >Darrin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-ELEGY >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been >available from their web site for a few years.10 tracks including 'Shine A >Light', 'The Night Is Young' & 'Nature Calls'. > >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-RIVER RUN >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been >available from their web site for a few years.9 tracks including 'Dancing in >the Rain' & 'All Jigged Up'. Featuring Rob Mayers & Volker Von Hoff. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Thu May 25 14:57:27 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:27 -0500 Subject: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: For lyrics, try http://www.d-rider.de/ Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:45 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs I can't find my HW lyrics file, can someone either email me a copy or provide a URL. Thanks in advance. Is there any interest out there for HW tabs? I know of only one song on the web, Jack of Shadows. Any players willing to pool our knowledge and see how many songs we can work out? -- Doug Bates From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu May 25 20:26:32 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:26:32 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 5/20/00 Message-ID: 5/20/00 1.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) 2.Melting Euphoria--Oracle (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 3.Kraftwerk--Radioland (Radio-Activity) 4. " --Airwaves ( " " ) 5.Hawkwind--Death Trap (Sonic Assassins EP, Mighty Hawkwind Classics)\ 6.Charalambides--Hail to the Brightness (Historic Sixth Ward) 7.Alman Mulo Band--Too Late! (Orisha) 8.Census of Hallucinations--Holographic Theory (Census of Hallucinations) 9. " " " --Gaia Hypothesis ( " " " ) 10.Amon Duul II--Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge (Wolf City) 11.Triple 0--Part III: pour produire un sentiment de chaleur sous la tete du defunt (Crypto Census) 12.Spirits Burning--The Ticking of Science (New Worlds By Design) 13.The Orb--Valley (Dipping Into the Cyberworld) 14.Daevid Allen's University of Errors--title track (Money Doesn't Make It) 15.Gong--Wet Cheese Delerium/Squeezing Sponges Over Policemen's Heads/ Fohat Digs Holes in Space (Camembert Electrique) 16.The Brain--Rust (Access and Amplify) 17.Anubian Lights--title track (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 18.Hawkwind--Life Form (PXR 5) Thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu May 25 21:25:44 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:25:44 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: Doug, Michael, Denis, and Todd: Denis' D-Rider site is most excellent for lyrics. While not in tab form, I have a list of HW songs what I have learned on my own, that I first "published" on Bob Lennon's 'Hawkind :Time and Space' discussion list. Most of the songs are listed as chords only(not quite good doing lead). Rthym isn't really listed either; I'm trusting all y'all Hawk fans to already know it. Most of the versions are from the original, or at least the studio versions of the songs. Take "Magnu" fer instance. Either the version on Live Chronicles, or maybe the version on the Anthology 1967-1982(re-hash of Antholo gy/Acid Daze), is in a key a couple of steps higher than it appeared on Warrio r on the Edge of Time. Hope this helps Joe Loehr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: HWsongs.wpd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6498 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 26 04:37:43 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:37:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Now playing Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun! Excellent, second track is a bit out of place though. LBS is a bit punchier than Stupid Dream and well worth your hard earned pennies. Two Hawkwind connections it was partly recorded at Dave Andersons Foel studios, and Doug and Eve Smith get a thank you on the sleeve. PT playing at King Tut's in Glasgow next week - should be good!! Check it out if you can and say hello if you do.Maybe Steve could produce the next HW CD - that would be very interesting! Dave -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 25 May 2000 15:56 Subject: Re: OFF: Porcupine Tree >ZM suggests.... > >>Didn't someone on this list say about six months ago that Porcupine Tree had >>split up??? > >Huh? Nooooooo, far from it! > >>I found this on http://www.mediumproductions.co.uk/ >> >>1999 Porcupine Tree Stupid Dream Kscope (Snapper Records) >> >>1999 Porcupine Tree Piano Lesson Kscope (Snapper Records) - 7" single >> >>What's the deal??? > >That's OLLLLLLDDDDD news. Look for... > >2000 (released in the UK, May 22...that was Monday) Porcupine Tree - >Lightbulb Sun on K-Scope/Snapper > >and > >2000 (released a month ago or so) Porcupine Tree - Four Chords that Made a >Million on K-scope/Snapper - single (7" and CD-S both prolly) > >and for those in the UK, I think there are three random live dates scheduled >for sometime soon. I think a visit to http://www.pt-fans.com would have them. > >Grakkl (FAA) > >P.S. Anyone heard Lightbulb Sun yet? It doesn't come out in the US for >awhile yet, so I'll be waiting. > >P.P.S. And those in Germany...they're playing at the Burg Herzburg fest >this year. > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 26 04:48:00 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:48:00 +0100 Subject: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- Message-ID: In a word they are okay, I really like HLL's guitar work but apart from his first studio LP I rarely play his solo stuff. There is some great guitar work on them but perhaps the style is not always to my taste, slightly muso/jazz rock in places. No I wouldn't describe it as Spacerock and not Widowmakerlike either. HLL did a CD with Dr Brown which is worth having. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 25 May 2000 00:47 Subject: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- >OK, > >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. > >HAWKMAN are you out there? > >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? > >Also, I have never heard these recordings. Would someone please give an >unbiased opinion. Someone that actually likes Huw LLoyd-Langton would be >cool ") > >I REALLY liked his work w/ Hawkwind and was really bummed when he departed, >but that's another story... > >Are these albums Spacerock? Do they resemble HW in any way? Or are they more >straight ahead rock-n-roll, like the Widowmaker albums? Are the lyrics up to >comparison w/ the other Langton (wife) co-penned HW tunes? etc... > >Peace, > >Darrin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-ELEGY >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been >available from their web site for a few years.10 tracks including 'Shine A >Light', 'The Night Is Young' & 'Nature Calls'. > >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-RIVER RUN >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been >available from their web site for a few years.9 tracks including 'Dancing in >the Rain' & 'All Jigged Up'. Featuring Rob Mayers & Volker Von Hoff. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri May 26 05:32:31 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:32:31 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: Hi Joe - thanks for the lyrics/chords! Excellent stuff! (Hate to criticise, but I reckon that you're playing a semi-tone higher!) Drop 'em all by one fret and you'll find the playing a lot easier, especially with the option of open chords etc. Maybe your music source was playing out of true concert-pitch! That said - It is great to have the info, as dropping by a semitone is pretty easy - thanks again! Has any body noticed that Silver Machine was originally recorded in G ( ie. G, A, C, D) but after live '79 (I think) it was transposed to A, ( A, B, D, E). Probably when Dave started singing it, in a preferred pitch. It is certainly in A, on the Reading '86 CD. I prefer the original pitch, as it gives more options when playing bass on it I'm in a band at work, but we do Silver Machine, and are working on PXR5 too! We've really crucified Silver Machine, as we play it as a straight rock track, and our version evolves into the extended solo from Freebird, tacked onto the end! (gotta keep the punters happy ------AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!! Guy -----Original Message----- From: Joe Loehr [mailto:JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM] Sent: 26 May 2000 02:26 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: lyrics/tabs << File: HWsongs.wpd >> Doug, Michael, Denis, and Todd: Denis' D-Rider site is most excellent for lyrics. While not in tab form, I have a list of HW songs what I have learned on my own, that I first "published" on Bob Lennon's 'Hawkind :Time and Space' discussion list. Most of the songs are listed as chords only(not quite good doing lead). Rthym isn't really listed either; I'm trusting all y'all Hawk fans to already know it. Most of the versions are from the original, or at least the studio versions of the songs. Take "Magnu" fer instance. Either the version on Live Chronicles, or maybe the version on the Anthology 1967-1982(re-hash of Antholo gy/Acid Daze), is in a key a couple of steps higher than it appeared on Warrio r on the Edge of Time. Hope this helps Joe Loehr From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 05:45:36 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:45:36 +0100 Subject: Church Booklet & Victoria album on Ebay Message-ID: Just noticed that these items are up for auction at www.ebay.com - collectors may be interested since the Victoria double LP from Flicknife is relatively rare. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 05:47:22 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:47:22 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Live CD Message-ID: Just got a copy of this one from Andy G. It has a stylised picture of a dancer - presumably Stacia on the front in face paint and costume. It's a rerelease of "Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin" and I believe was released as yet another "Silver Machine" CD on the continent. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 06:38:15 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:38:15 +0100 Subject: DJ Deja Vu Message-ID: I was in a pub in Aviemore last week. They were playing some radio station which is wall to wall 70's stuff and I heard a track which had the complete guitar riff from Live and Let Live, simply with new lyrics added. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 26 06:42:06 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 06:42:06 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 5:36:39 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: << Has any body noticed that Silver Machine was originally recorded in G ( ie. G, A, C, D) but after live '79 (I think) it was transposed to A, ( A, B, D, E). Probably when Dave started singing it, in a preferred pitch. It is certainly in A, on the Reading '86 CD. I prefer the original pitch, as it gives more options when playing bass on it ===== well, um, i always thot it was in A, meself.... i mean, the 'chorus' doesnt go up another notch, [it's E-D, E-D etc] === isnt this why lemmy strains to hit those top notes? shoot, did HW ever 'transpose' anything? well, 'D-rider' mutated _a lot_, live, along the way, but.... "<>" ==== > KISAKO 2K From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri May 26 07:05:52 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:05:52 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind in Oz. Studio 22 date Message-ID: It's actually July 20th ... S. On 25 May 2000, at 22:08, William Duffy wrote: > The Studio 22 recording by Hawkwind (on the ABC here in Australia) is slated > in to be screened on 27th July (according to the Studio 22 web page). -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Fri May 26 07:14:16 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:14:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Tabs. Message-ID: I remember asking a few moths ago if anybody had any tabs for HW material, 'specially the bass sections. I seem to recall that the concensus was, listen, learn, play on at that time. If tabs exist for any of the stuff I'd love to get hold of them... Mark (Hasbeen) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 07:53:25 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:53:25 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Oz. Studio 22 date In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Fri, 26 May 2000 21:05:52 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > It's actually July 20th ... Yayyyyy! Space Day! Mike "I never thought I'd live to see the last man on the Moon" Holmes From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri May 26 09:39:07 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:39:07 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 6:43:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, a lister writes: << I prefer the original pitch, as it gives more options when playing bass on it >> ??????? how'zat? i don't see how a song's key determines what optons one has while playing it...except maybe the availability of an open string? please explain... rmayo sometime bassist From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 26 09:50:43 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:50:43 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options In-Reply-To: <32.58bbf70.265fd87b@aol.com> Message-ID: On 26 May 00, at 9:39, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > In a message dated 5/26/00 6:43:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, a lister > writes: > > << I prefer the original pitch, as it > > gives more options when playing bass on it >> > > ??????? how'zat? i don't see how a song's key determines what optons > one has while playing it...except maybe the availability of an open > string? please explain... rmayo sometime bassist Yeah, but that's a BIG option. Try playing Cities on Flame in any key other than F#! theo From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri May 26 10:06:06 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:06:06 +0200 Subject: HW: Watching tGg bass tab (was: HW: lyrics/tabs) In-Reply-To: <9d.5e5d5f2.265f2c98@aol.com> Message-ID: At 03:25 26.05.00, Joe Loehr wrote: >While not in tab form, I have a list of HW songs what I have learned on my >own, that I first "published" on Bob Lennon's 'Hawkind :Time and Space' >discussion list. Thanks a lot, Joe! That's really a great help. I nearly forgot to post it, but here is the bass-line of "Watching The Grass Grow" in tab form. Thanks to Steve P. for his help: Intro: G-----------------------------------------------+ D-----------------------------------------------| A-----------------------------------------------| E--0-0----0-0----0-0----0-0---------------------+ (We are the survivors) Verse: G-----------------------------------------------+ D-----------------------------------------------| A-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-------------| E-----------------------------------------------+ Run down bit: G-----------------------------------------------+ D-----------------------------------------------| A--3-3--2-2--1-1--0-0---------------------------| E----------------------3--3--3--3--3--3--3--3---+ Chorus: G---------------------+--------------------------+ D---------------------|--------0--0--------------| A--0-0----2--2-0------|-3-3---------3------------| E---------------------+--------------------------+ Coming up again Coming up again G------0----------------------------------------+ D---------3--0----------------------------------| A---------------3--1----------------------------| E--3--------------------------------------------+ (Watching the grass grow) Middle: G-----------------------------------------------+ D-----------------------------------------------| A--------------------------------1--------------| E--1--3-3----1--3-3----1--3-3--------3----------+ I hope it's correct, but if you have any corrections please send them to me. (C)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri May 26 10:11:07 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:11:07 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: Yeah, but the chorus on the original is D, C D, C etc etc! Get your axe out, and strum along to the original, then try it with the Reading version! Guy -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: 26 May 2000 11:42 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: lyrics/tabs In a message dated 5/26/00 5:36:39 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: << Has any body noticed that Silver Machine was originally recorded in G ( ie. G, A, C, D) but after live '79 (I think) it was transposed to A, ( A, B, D, E). Probably when Dave started singing it, in a preferred pitch. It is certainly in A, on the Reading '86 CD. I prefer the original pitch, as it gives more options when playing bass on it ===== well, um, i always thot it was in A, meself.... i mean, the 'chorus' doesnt go up another notch, [it's E-D, E-D etc] === isnt this why lemmy strains to hit those top notes? shoot, did HW ever 'transpose' anything? well, 'D-rider' mutated _a lot_, live, along the way, but.... "<>" ==== > KISAKO 2K From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri May 26 11:24:37 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:24:37 -0500 Subject: HW Tabs Message-ID: First thanks to everyone that sent me HW lyrics! Its great to see the tab discussions! Joe I can't seem to read your file, its just garbage in wordpad... Well here is the way I play D-Rider, any corrections welcome since I've only played guitar for a few years. C#m We're children playing in the sun A A sense of freedom on the run C#m We never knew what time it was A We just knew how sublime it was C#m Our course determined by our stars A My momma knows just where we are C#m The Earth was falling from below A A dragon showed which way to go G# F# Spacing out, we're spacing in G# F# Phasing out, we're phasing in G# F# Burning up by burning out G# F# Looking up and gazing Our luck, it changes with the tide Our constellations changing side Macro mirror-image fades Our over-conscience colour shades We're astral-planing, floating free On our continuum frequency A ring was formed out of the stone Metamorphose, tetraphone Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing All the above are E-barre chords A little echo/delay sounds good with the verses and a flanger with the chourus. -- Doug Bates From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri May 26 11:25:14 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:25:14 -0500 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: > > (Hate to criticise, but I reckon that you're playing a > semi-tone higher!) > Drop 'em all by one fret and you'll find the playing a lot easier, I noticed this too, Assault & Battery seems to be in different keys on Palace Springs and Warrior. Anyone willing to tackle the Demented Man? I can't get this one down. I try one more (here at work), without my guitar. Arrival In Utopia F# We dreamed of golden shiny towers, G Of lazy days and thrilling hours, A Of fields of wonder, streets so fair, G F# Of amber ships which sailed through the air. We dreamed of steel and glass and wire, Of days of wine and nights of fire, We dreamed of dogs that talked like boys, Of girls who flew, of unnamed joys. B And now our dreams are true, A We don't know what to do, B Cause we don't like it here, A There's nothing for us to fear, B A (3X) Bored mindless in Utopia F# in Utopia Use E-barre chords, during the verse hammer on/off with your index finger on the 6th string for added rhythm. Palm muting sounds good while singing. -- Doug Bates From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri May 26 11:37:02 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:37:02 -0500 Subject: HW Tabs Message-ID: I just repeated your results in WordPad. Then, I went to Word97 and tried opening it from there. It "recognized" the file as WordPerfect 6.x in a Convert File dialog box. I clicked OK and it opened just fine. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates [mailto:Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:25 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW Tabs First thanks to everyone that sent me HW lyrics! Its great to see the tab discussions! Joe I can't seem to read your file, its just garbage in wordpad... Well here is the way I play D-Rider, any corrections welcome since I've only played guitar for a few years. C#m We're children playing in the sun A A sense of freedom on the run C#m We never knew what time it was A We just knew how sublime it was C#m Our course determined by our stars A My momma knows just where we are C#m The Earth was falling from below A A dragon showed which way to go G# F# Spacing out, we're spacing in G# F# Phasing out, we're phasing in G# F# Burning up by burning out G# F# Looking up and gazing Our luck, it changes with the tide Our constellations changing side Macro mirror-image fades Our over-conscience colour shades We're astral-planing, floating free On our continuum frequency A ring was formed out of the stone Metamorphose, tetraphone Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing All the above are E-barre chords A little echo/delay sounds good with the verses and a flanger with the chourus. -- Doug Bates From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 26 11:56:08 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:56:08 +0100 Subject: HW Tabs Message-ID: > A little echo/delay sounds good with the verses and a flanger > with the chourus. Doesn't everything? :-) Cheers, Rich. ObScaryFact: BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY will soon be playing live again... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri May 26 12:46:05 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:46:05 +1000 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: At 08:25 PM 5/25/00 +1000, Sonique wrote: >On 24 May 2000, at 15:31, Dan Witt wrote: > >> > July 7th (Thursday) at the 7th Street Entry 9pm. >> >> Oops, >> >> That should read July 27th! Repeat the show is July 27th not 7th. > >So does that mean they'll be on the West Coast on/near July 7 instead??? > >Wishfully, > >Sonique in Oz (but in LA July 6/7, San Diego July 8-12) Hey, I'll be San Diego July 15-16, and probably 29,29. And Boston, Philadeplhia, Baltimore, Toronto, Northern California, Chicago, Colorado, Utah, NM, Wyoming and who knows where else at various dates between June 25th and July 30th. Are HW touring or something? (Sorry, I think I missed something important here) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 26 13:33:23 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:33:23 +0100 Subject: rare Best of Hawkwind cassette on ebay Message-ID: This rare item, which only ever made it to cassette: 1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) (cassette only) Space is Deep Wind of Change Master of the Universe You Know You're Only Dreaming Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Hall of the Mountain Grill is up for auction on www.ebay.com if any kollectors don't have it. FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 26 13:08:45 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:08:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: T.G. IF'ed... >>> That should read July 27th! Repeat the show is July 27th not 7th. >> >>So does that mean they'll be on the West Coast on/near July 7 instead??? > >Hey, I'll be San Diego July 15-16, and probably 29,29. And Boston, >Philadeplhia, Baltimore, Toronto, Northern California, Chicago, Colorado, >Utah, NM, Wyoming and who knows where else at various dates between June >25th and July 30th. Are HW touring or something? (Sorry, I think I missed >something important here) Not (likely) HW per se, but a new intercontinental HW spinoff group (as yet unnamed) will be headlining a northeast-midwest US tour made up of themselves and a couple other (as yet unknown) Strange Daze bands. Well, Harvey Bainbridge is to be the main 'opener'. The lineup for the main band is: Jerry Richards - Gtr Richard Chadwick - Drums Capt. Rizz+ - Vocals, Fan Polarization Steve Taylor - Bass Steve Hayes - Keyboards (Harvey - a likely guest on some tunes) It looks like Jim is planning to do the 'tour' before SD2K as opposed to after, as the first (or second) show is two weeks before SD2K (Aug. 11-13), i.e., the above July 27th show in Minneapolis. I imagine that this is as far west as it will get, and that the tour will eventually head east up to NYC/Boston area, and then back to reach Cleveland by the 10th or so. I very seriously doubt that they'll make it to California. Too bloody far to drive...too expensive to fly. But if you happen to be in Chicago around the 28th-30th of July, I bet that they'll be there! More details at www.strange-trips.com Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Uh...may I ask...what the hell sort of US tour are *you* on? Whirlwind sightseeing? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 26 14:31:53 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:31:53 EDT Subject: rare Best of Hawkwind cassette on ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 1:33:57 PM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << This rare item, which only ever made it to cassette: 1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) (cassette only) Space is Deep Wind of Change Master of the Universe You Know You're Only Dreaming Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Hall of the Mountain Grill is up for auction on www.ebay.com if any kollectors don't have it. FoFP >> ========== and i dinna ken a kollector koughing up _too_ much in the way of koin fer what i bought as a kutout kassette, kirca 89-90. the whole 'metal classics' series was a quick toss-off jeez, i may still _have_ that thing. if'n i do, what am i bid? talk to me off-group. "<>" <> KISAKO 2K From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri May 26 15:06:44 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:06:44 GMT Subject: HW: Watching tGg bass tab (was: HW: lyrics/tabs) In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000526155359.00b94490@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:06:06 +0200, you sent through the ether: >I nearly forgot to post it, but here is the bass-line of "Watching The >Grass Grow" in tab form. Thanks to Steve P. for his help: I never played it like that... :) did I?? ah!! that's for bass players! OK, I shut up. -S. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 26 15:15:59 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:15:59 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 9:52:34 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU contributes: << On 26 May 00, at 9:39, Robert C. Mayo replied to: > In a message dated 5/26/00 6:43:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, a lister > writes: > > << I prefer the original pitch, as it > > gives more options when playing bass on it >> == says mr. "<>": well, it gives _you_ more options, if you're better in the other key. um, doesn't it? and i've already addressed the 'original pitch'. == and RC Mayo says to mister lister: > ??????? how'zat? i don't see how a song's key determines what options > one has while playing it...except maybe the availability of an open > string? please explain... rmayo sometime bassist == says mr. "<>" see my above, comrade. this is gettin' kinda fuzzy, this one thinks...blurring physically playing an instrument, and _what_ one hears when listening, and adjacently _how_ one hears when listening... == and Master Theo drops a tuppence to RC: <> == to which mr "<>" concludes: this one don't get it, master t., suh. transposition is transposition. which is not to say you _wanna_, but sure yiz _could_. ... == "<>" **************************************************** Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri May 26 15:40:12 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:40:12 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 10:15:21 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: << Yeah, but the chorus on the original is D, C D, C etc etc! Get your axe out, and strum along to the original, then try it with the Reading version! >> ==== no axe here, comrade. i'm the alleged drummer. so, on the original single, or 'roadhawks' it's A-B-D-E with a 'chorus' of E-D isnt it? i'm only referring to the original tryin' to dig it out of me 'ead. speak up, folx! "<>" = <> KISAKO 2K From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri May 26 16:01:25 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:01:25 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: I've got a copy of the original music and it's G-A-C-D/D-C --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: lyrics/tabs > In a message dated 5/26/00 10:15:21 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: > > << Yeah, but the chorus on the original is D, C D, C etc etc! > > Get your axe out, and strum along to the original, then try it with the > > Reading version! >> > ==== > no axe here, comrade. i'm the alleged drummer. > > so, on the original single, or 'roadhawks' > it's A-B-D-E > with a 'chorus' of E-D > > isnt it? > > i'm only referring to the original > tryin' to dig it out of me 'ead. > > speak up, folx! > > "<>" > = > < more or less possible, - doing same in the company of ravers results in a > fall, and taking of sides...>> > KISAKO 2K From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Fri May 26 16:03:10 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:03:10 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs In-Reply-To: <001101bfc74d$50964da0$176aa8c0@lastminute.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 2000 21:01:25 +0100, you sent through the ether: >I've got a copy of the original music and it's G-A-C-D/D-C ICU only played it once... in A. :) -S. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri May 26 16:13:16 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:13:16 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 9:52:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Yeah, but that's a BIG option. Try playing Cities on Flame in any key other than F#! theo >> i see...thanks for the clarification, if that IS indeed what the original 'espouser' had in mind rmayo From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri May 26 16:21:28 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:21:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this post! -_- Message-ID: I too like Huw a whole bunch, and unfortunately "Time and Space" is the best of all his solo albums..... which is not to say that it's bad at all, it's just not that great. Naturally the lead playing is top-notch, but his songs are generally not that interesting as songs. His solo stuff tends more to be straightforward rock stuff.... very basic stuff, nothing too intriguing usually, which is a shame. John Majka > I like Huw ALOT. Haven't heard these. I have heard "TIme and Space" and > was pretty disappointed. IMO, subdued guitar, drum-machine drumming, > Huw sounds like Huw vocally. It sounds like HW only in Huw's singing. > > I like the album, but I expected better. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darrin McKeehen > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:44 PM > Subject: ON:<<== see? WARNING! the words LLOYD-LANGTON appear in this > post! -_- > > > >OK, > > > >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. > > > >HAWKMAN are you out there? > > > >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? > > > >Also, I have never heard these recordings. Would someone please give an > >unbiased opinion. Someone that actually likes Huw LLoyd-Langton would be > >cool ") > > > >I REALLY liked his work w/ Hawkwind and was really bummed when he departed, > >but that's another story... > > > >Are these albums Spacerock? Do they resemble HW in any way? Or are they > more > >straight ahead rock-n-roll, like the Widowmaker albums? Are the lyrics up > to > >comparison w/ the other Langton (wife) co-penned HW tunes? etc... > > > >Peace, > > > >Darrin > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-ELEGY > >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been > >available from their web site for a few years.10 tracks including 'Shine A > >Light', 'The Night Is Young' & 'Nature Calls'. > > > >LLOYD-LANGTON GROUP-RIVER RUN > >Reissue of early album from Hawkwind founding member which has only been > >available from their web site for a few years.9 tracks including 'Dancing > in > >the Rain' & 'All Jigged Up'. Featuring Rob Mayers & Volker Von Hoff. > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri May 26 16:26:37 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:26:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Tabs. Message-ID: I am still intending to post a bunch of HW tabs on my site when I get around to it, but unfortunately I always seem really busy. I'll see what I can do in upcoming weeks though. John Majka > I remember asking a few moths ago if anybody had any tabs for > HW material, 'specially the bass sections. I seem to recall that > the concensus was, listen, learn, play on at that time. > > If tabs exist for any of the stuff I'd love to get hold of them... > > Mark (Hasbeen) > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri May 26 16:28:45 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:28:45 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 3:17:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << this one don't get it, master t., suh. transposition is transposition. which is not to say you _wanna_, but sure yiz _could_. ... == "<>" >> ahhh...but transcription is not 'simply transcription' if the 'new' key allows for an open string to be included in a scale/run/lick...an open string does not require fingering and can allow xtra time to move through a more demanding configuration of notes; it can be both a time-saver and an energy-saver. in many cases it greatly simplifies the playing of certain things. the converse is true as well...take a riff w/lots of open E's...the main riff in tom petty's 'runnin' down a dream', for ex...it can be transposed to any key and probably played reasonably well anywhere; but it;s a heckuva lot easier with that open E (and an open string just sounds different than a fingered equivalent). rmayo showoff From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 26 15:41:54 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:41:54 -0400 Subject: HW: LLOYD-LANGTON Message-ID: John said... >I too like Huw a whole bunch, and unfortunately "Time and Space" is the best >of all his solo albums..... which is not to say that it's bad at all, it's >just not that great. You mean, "NOT the best," don't you? And yes, I'd agree. I think his best was 'Like an Arrow...through the heart' which AFAIK, is not available on CD. The 'On the Move' disc from a few years' back with all Swedish backing band wasn pretty decent, a couple of the tunes being remakes of old ones (some from Like an Arrow actually). Haven't heard Chain Reaction yet....I think Gary Davis (www.artist-shop.com) carries it here in the US, so I'll prolly get it next order from him. And yes, none of them really have a HW-style sound, notwithstanding the covers of PW and such on the crappy Flicknife-bootleg-thing recently discussed. And even then...garage-rock versions of HW...no synths and such usually. 'On the Move' is really bluesy, like old Trower/Spooky Tooth albums. Nicely done if you like that sort of thing, and like Huwy's voice well enough. >> >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. >> > >> >HAWKMAN are you out there? >> > >> >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? Nah. Jerry mainly sticks to 90s artists for the AI catalog, apart from my contribution of Garden of Delights re-releases. The aforementioned Gary Davis I think has the newest one. Elegy and River Run I was forced to get from Mike H. and Andy G. Issued on the Allegro label. Try visiting Huw's site, and maybe there's info about ordering from overseas. http://www.huwlloyd-langton.co.uk/ I think. 'On the Move' I think had some ltd. distribution over here in the states, but I've forgotten where I got it. Grakkl (FAA) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 26 16:55:17 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:55:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Zebulon Mysterioso To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 3:18 PM Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree > Didn't someone on this list say about six months ago that Porcupine Tree had > split up??? I found this on http://www.mediumproductions.co.uk/ Hope not - they are supposed to be playing in Glasgow on July 3rd jill From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri May 26 17:06:29 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:06:29 +0100 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig > It was Acid Daze II queens hall leeds august 1987. Can you confirm the month of August? My understanding is that Acid Daze II was in December. It also wasn't a 3-day event. Reading, however, was in August and was a 3-day event. Is there a confusion here?? Does anyone still have their ticket for Acid Daze II? The one I've seen has no date on it but has an ink line drawing in red of a lady with long flowing hair (at least I think that's what it shows). Anyone? jill > > gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > > >And Pop will eat itself who did Orgone Accumulator. Naz Nomad and the > > Nightmares > > > > Naz Nomad & The Nightmares was actually the Damned in disguise. The only > > time I got to see my two fave bands on the same bill :) > > Still the least enjoyable HW gig I've seen though :( > > > > Dave > > > > >Andreas > > > > > > > From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Fri May 26 17:24:31 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:24:31 -0400 Subject: e-mail me in europe Message-ID: Hi all, Next wednesday I am splitting for The Netherlands and Germany. I cannot receive mail from my webtv service remotely, so if you e-mail me for any reason between May 31 and June 21 please use the following: sloterdijk1 at yahoo.com or add it to your address files. I will be checking it whenever I have the chance.. Until the evening of May 31, please use my usual address SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net Peace, MIke http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri May 26 17:26:50 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:26:50 +0200 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig In-Reply-To: <011b01bfc756$435f57e0$9c22883e@jds> Message-ID: Hi At 22:06 26.05.2000 +0100, you wrote: >Can you confirm the month of August? My understanding is that Acid >Daze II was in December. It also wasn't a 3-day event. Reading, >however, was in August and was a 3-day event. Is there a confusion >here?? Does anyone still have their ticket for Acid Daze II? The >one I've seen has no date on it but has an ink line drawing in red of a >lady with long flowing hair (at least I think that's what it shows). > >Anyone? Acid Daze I = Finsbury Park, 23.08.1987 Acid Daze II = Leeds, 12.12.1987 Bernhard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 26 16:42:46 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:42:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Live Darkside Message-ID: Hi folks... What the hell is this??? My latest issue of Goldmine has an ad that lists this new CD. It says: Hawkwind - Live Darkside (UK CD Wembley Empire Pool 1972)....$18.99. Now I know that all sorts of folks are advertising Voiceprint shit for sale that won't be released for six months (I have even seen the Nottingham set on-sale at Ebay! Bollocks...the guy should be banned from posting something that doesn't exist!). So I figure this won't see the light of day for months...but what the hell is it? What label, etc.? Enquiring minds.... Grakkl (FAA) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri May 26 18:01:55 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:01:55 EDT Subject: rare Best of Hawkwind cassette on ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 11:33:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > This rare item, which only ever made it to cassette: > > 1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) > (cassette only) > Space is Deep > Wind of Change > Master of the Universe > You Know You're Only Dreaming > Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) > Hall of the Mountain Grill > > is up for auction on www.ebay.com if any kollectors don't have it. > > FoFP ---wow, I found this at Musicplus in a bargain bin for $3...like 3-4 years ago...it's a pretty useless cassette, collecting dust in my closet...ironic to think it might be the rarest HW thing I own... any bids?? :) Chuck From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri May 26 18:05:03 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:05:03 -0500 Subject: HW: LLOYD-LANGTON Message-ID: Nope, I meant what I said... I think "Time and Space" is the best one, but even so, it's not the greatest thing on earth. "Like an Arrow....Through the Heart" might be my least favorite actually! Oh yeah, I forgot about "On the Move" which is pretty good as well. "Elegy" is also a good one. Overall, the songs tend to have more of a blues-based rock approach, but many of the tunes are jazzy as well.... The leads are good, but the songs themselves are not at all adventurous, not at all progressive etc. John Majka > John said... > > >I too like Huw a whole bunch, and unfortunately "Time and Space" is the best > >of all his solo albums..... which is not to say that it's bad at all, it's > >just not that great. > > You mean, "NOT the best," don't you? And yes, I'd agree. I think his best > was 'Like an Arrow...through the heart' which AFAIK, is not available on CD. > The 'On the Move' disc from a few years' back with all Swedish backing band > wasn pretty decent, a couple of the tunes being remakes of old ones (some > from Like an Arrow actually). Haven't heard Chain Reaction yet....I think > Gary Davis (www.artist-shop.com) carries it here in the US, so I'll prolly > get it next order from him. > > And yes, none of them really have a HW-style sound, notwithstanding the > covers of PW and such on the crappy Flicknife-bootleg-thing recently > discussed. And even then...garage-rock versions of HW...no synths and such > usually. > > 'On the Move' is really bluesy, like old Trower/Spooky Tooth albums. Nicely > done if you like that sort of thing, and like Huwy's voice well enough. > > >> >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee land. > >> > > >> >HAWKMAN are you out there? > >> > > >> >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? > > Nah. Jerry mainly sticks to 90s artists for the AI catalog, apart from my > contribution of Garden of Delights re-releases. The aforementioned Gary > Davis I think has the newest one. Elegy and River Run I was forced to get > from Mike H. and Andy G. Issued on the Allegro label. Try visiting Huw's > site, and maybe there's info about ordering from overseas. > http://www.huwlloyd-langton.co.uk/ I think. 'On the Move' I think had some > ltd. distribution over here in the states, but I've forgotten where I got it. > > Grakkl (FAA) > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 26 19:44:15 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:44:15 -0700 Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:13:16 EDT, "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: >In a message dated 5/26/00 9:52:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > ><< Yeah, but that's a BIG option. Try playing Cities on Flame in any key > other than F#! > > theo >> > >i see...thanks for the clarification, if that IS indeed what the original >'espouser' had in mind Hmmm ... what IS it about beginning a song with an F# A interval ... "Dominance and Submission" starts that way too ... only that song wouldn't be quite as bad transposed ... -Doug (who might write up some HW chord changes this weekend and post 'em next week if he gets his act together this weekend ... just don't expect a transcription of the keyboard solo from "Psi Power"!) ceres at sirius.com From jbono at RCN.COM Fri May 26 21:56:31 2000 From: jbono at RCN.COM (John) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:56:31 -0400 Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: It's F# minor- please get the keys right. Harley John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Re: silver machine bass options > On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:13:16 EDT, "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > >In a message dated 5/26/00 9:52:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > > ><< Yeah, but that's a BIG option. Try playing Cities on Flame in any key > > other than F#! > > > > theo >> > > > >i see...thanks for the clarification, if that IS indeed what the original > >'espouser' had in mind > > Hmmm ... what IS it about beginning a song with an F# A interval ... > "Dominance and Submission" starts that way too ... only that song wouldn't > be quite as bad transposed ... > > -Doug (who might write up some HW chord changes this weekend and post 'em > next week if he gets his act together this weekend ... just don't expect a > transcription of the keyboard solo from "Psi Power"!) > ceres at sirius.com From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri May 26 23:40:32 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:40:32 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: Geez, did I start this whole discussion? As for playing a semi-tone higher, all of the songs I listed I got from the original(I suppose) recordings. Take "Silver Machine" fer instance. I learned that from the version on 'Psychedelic Warlords(The Best Of)', which also seems to be the version that's on the EMI remaster of 'In Search of Space' (and I even double-checked the tuning on me axe), which means it's as I wrote it in the file(key of B, innit?) Of course, the mastering of the CDs might not be exact from one to another, or maybe my hearings off, but it seems I playing in the same key as the songs on the CDs. Joe Loehr From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat May 27 00:28:48 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:28:48 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/00 4:29:59 PM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << >>to mr "<>" ahhh...but transcription is not 'simply transcription' if the 'new' key allows for an open string to be included in a scale/run/lick...an open string does not require fingering and can allow xtra time to move through a more demanding configuration of notes; it can be both a time-saver and an energy-saver. in many cases it greatly simplifies the playing of certain things. the converse is true as well...take a riff w/lots of open E's...the main riff in tom petty's 'runnin' down a dream', for ex...it can be transposed to any key and probably played reasonably well anywhere; but it;s a heckuva lot easier with that open E (and an open string just sounds different than a fingered equivalent). rmayo showoff = and _this_ is where physical playing of the instrument meets the music itself. someone told me once the E can be played on guitar in eleven places. = 'silver machine' starting in G. huh -_- the speed/pitch subtleties and blatantcies of cassette machines _already_ bugs the heck out of me. 'blatantcies'? "<>" fractals! From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat May 27 01:29:06 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 06:29:06 +0100 Subject: HW: LLOYD-LANGTON Message-ID: There was a newsletter from Marion L-L a couple of weeks back on e-mail suggesting that Like An Arrow & Night Air were coming out on CD this year via Voiceprint. Good news. I had to sell my copies when my turntable died for the final time..... Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: flossbac To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:05 PM Subject: Re: HW: LLOYD-LANGTON > Nope, I meant what I said... I think "Time and Space" is the best one, but > even so, it's not the greatest thing on earth. "Like an Arrow....Through > the Heart" might be my least favorite actually! Oh yeah, I forgot about "On > the Move" which is pretty good as well. "Elegy" is also a good one. > Overall, the songs tend to have more of a blues-based rock approach, but > many of the tunes are jazzy as well.... The leads are good, but the songs > themselves are not at all adventurous, not at all progressive etc. > John Majka > > > John said... > > > > >I too like Huw a whole bunch, and unfortunately "Time and Space" is the > best > > >of all his solo albums..... which is not to say that it's bad at all, > it's > > >just not that great. > > > > You mean, "NOT the best," don't you? And yes, I'd agree. I think his > best > > was 'Like an Arrow...through the heart' which AFAIK, is not available on > CD. > > The 'On the Move' disc from a few years' back with all Swedish backing > band > > wasn pretty decent, a couple of the tunes being remakes of old ones (some > > from Like an Arrow actually). Haven't heard Chain Reaction yet....I think > > Gary Davis (www.artist-shop.com) carries it here in the US, so I'll prolly > > get it next order from him. > > > > And yes, none of them really have a HW-style sound, notwithstanding the > > covers of PW and such on the crappy Flicknife-bootleg-thing recently > > discussed. And even then...garage-rock versions of HW...no synths and > such > > usually. > > > > 'On the Move' is really bluesy, like old Trower/Spooky Tooth albums. > Nicely > > done if you like that sort of thing, and like Huwy's voice well enough. > > > > >> >I know that Andy G is probably carrying these, but I am in Yankee > land. > > >> > > > >> >HAWKMAN are you out there? > > >> > > > >> >Who in the USA is carrying these? Aural Innovations? > > > > Nah. Jerry mainly sticks to 90s artists for the AI catalog, apart from my > > contribution of Garden of Delights re-releases. The aforementioned Gary > > Davis I think has the newest one. Elegy and River Run I was forced to get > > from Mike H. and Andy G. Issued on the Allegro label. Try visiting Huw's > > site, and maybe there's info about ordering from overseas. > > http://www.huwlloyd-langton.co.uk/ I think. 'On the Move' I think had > some > > ltd. distribution over here in the states, but I've forgotten where I got > it. > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 27 01:38:36 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:38:36 PDT Subject: Tabs, Chords & LLG Message-ID: Hey! Thanx for commenting on Huw ") Anyone else that wants to chime in, I would really appreciate it! Also, if we could keep this CHORDS and TABS discussion from being a pissing or flaming contest..... ....it would be pretty darn cool! Just wondering: what language is "<>" anyways? Darrin (Tab 25) PS I got those blurbs on the LLG releases from the Gary Davis ARTIST SHOP newsletter, obviously. Even though he IS an OHIO guy, and he get's some pretty cool stuff, I still find his prices rather HIGH. SO part of my reason for asking, was to find the best price ") ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat May 27 02:13:44 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:13:44 EDT Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/00 12:41:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << someone told me once the E can be played on guitar in eleven places. = >> 13, on my 24-fret guild. butthey're not all the 'same' E; some above middle C and some below... rmayo pointlessly elaborating From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat May 27 02:21:43 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:21:43 +1000 Subject: HW: Minneapolis show Message-ID: >But if you happen to be in Chicago around the 28th-30th of July, I bet that >they'll be there! Ah, sadly not. I'm there around the 7th-10th July. Never mind. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat May 27 04:46:35 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:46:35 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs In-Reply-To: <90.4ded8e1.26609db0@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:40:32 EDT, you sent through the ether: >As for playing a semi-tone higher, all of the songs I listed I got from the >original(I suppose) recordings. A lot of bands used to play live tuned a semitone down to make singing the high notes easier.. I don`t know if Hawkwind were one of these bands, but some of the keys you find on their live records would suggest it wouldn't they.. -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat May 27 04:47:25 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:47:25 GMT Subject: silver machine bass options In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000526164415.009aed10@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:44:15 -0700, you sent through the ether: > just don't expect a >transcription of the keyboard solo from "Psi Power"!) Did you get the package I sent you? .. you`ve no idea how long it took me to teach that solo to Mary.. ;) -S. From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat May 27 04:51:41 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 08:51:41 GMT Subject: silver machine bass options In-Reply-To: <39338b7e.1131224@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:47:25 GMT, you sent through the ether: >Did you get the package I sent you? .. you`ve no idea how long it took >me to teach that solo to Mary.. ;) That'll teach me to post before I wake up.. I of course mean the solo from Damnation Alley.. ignore me, I`m sleeping. -S. -dozy. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat May 27 06:01:46 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 06:01:46 EDT Subject: Tabs, Chords & LLG Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/00 1:40:07 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << what language is "<>" anyways? >> ===== the story dates back to master theo and meself and a failed forward a year or so ago. hush, now. "<>" d|i|s|i|n|f|o|r|m|a|t|i|o|n From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat May 27 11:01:06 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:01:06 -0400 Subject: SD2000 INFO... In-Reply-To: <3925AC85.22291.5399D3@localhost> Message-ID: Jim/Sonique, Is there the off chance that new material from the Richards-Chadwick-Taylor-Hayes-(?Bainbridge-Is he there solely as Interstellar Chaos or also part of the group?) Project will be available in some format-CD (not likely) or MP3/Real Audio? That would be most excellent. (Dang they need a name - Space R Us, or somesuch) Also, are any other dates being considered farther south than Philly? What are the NY and Philly Show dates? Dave PS-If any of you remember a prog-rock group called Happy the Man from the late 70's, they have reformed and are doing some shows on the US east coast in the next month. Info at (surprise!) http://www.happytheman.com/. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat May 27 11:23:55 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:23:55 +1000 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: At 08:46 AM 5/27/00 GMT, Steve P wrote: >On Fri, 26 May 2000 23:40:32 EDT, you sent through the ether: > >>As for playing a semi-tone higher, all of the songs I listed I got from the >>original(I suppose) recordings. > > >A lot of bands used to play live tuned a semitone down to make singing >the high notes easier.. I don`t know if Hawkwind were one of these >bands, but some of the keys you find on their live records would suggest >it wouldn't they.. A recording trick - this was taught to me in the mid 70's, by a recording engineer who'd used it on several singles, so I presume it was not uncommon practice - was to make the final master tape play slightly faster than the original recording, because it tended to help cover mistakes in the playing. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Sat May 27 12:06:21 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:06:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Live Darkside Message-ID: Darkside is an Anderson release which should tell you everything. There is a copy on Yahoo Auctions and when I queried the seller about the date/setlist and asked if was an Anderson rerererelease he failed to provide the information asked and coyly admitted that it MAY have been released before outside the US but that it was the first release here. Expect more of the same..... Jeff From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat May 27 12:34:02 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:34:02 -0500 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs Message-ID: > >>As for playing a semi-tone higher, all of the songs I listed I got from the > >>original(I suppose) recordings. > > > > > >A lot of bands used to play live tuned a semitone down to make singing > >the high notes easier.. I don`t know if Hawkwind were one of these > >bands, but some of the keys you find on their live records would suggest > >it wouldn't they.. > > A recording trick - this was taught to me in the mid 70's, by a recording > engineer who'd used it on several singles, so I presume it was not uncommon > practice - was to make the final master tape play slightly faster than the > original recording, because it tended to help cover mistakes in the playing. > Tim Gadd Yeah, but that's not the case with Hawkwind. Their tunings in the early days tend to be below E. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat May 27 11:40:19 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:40:19 +0200 Subject: HW:inferior talent Message-ID: Hello William, Wouldn't mind the author and title of the book myself (maybe publisher?) greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Hi Kris I know this is a reply to an email a few weeks back, but my PC was out of action until today. There is a biography that I have seen in the shops on Eric Clapton, within which Dave gets quite a few mentions. I can check on the author for you if you wish? William ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Sorry to write so long after the subject came up! Filip, have you got the David Bowie and Eric Clapton articles? Any chance of sending us copies? Thanks Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: HW:inferior talent Hello all, I don't agree with some of you who tell that Hawkwind has inferior talent. I have a article with David Bowie where he is asked about the best artists he ever played with and he states:Andrew Belew and Simon House!!! And wasn't Alan Davey a hell of a bass-player? I also have a biography of Eric Clapton who states that he and Mr.Brock played together.I asked Dave about it and he said it's TRUE !! Best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat May 27 12:33:02 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:33:02 +0200 Subject: Tabs, Chords & LLG Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: Tabs, Chords & LLG > > Also, if we could keep this CHORDS and TABS discussion from being a pissing > or flaming contest..... > > ....it would be pretty darn cool! > I agree,let anyone have their say and let's all try it ourselves instead of pissing oneother off. greetings filip hawknut From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat May 27 12:08:33 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:08:33 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Live CD Message-ID: Hello Mike, Can you give label & cat no. from this one please? thanks filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Hawkwind Live CD > Just got a copy of this one from Andy G. It has a stylised picture of > a dancer - presumably Stacia on the front in face paint and costume. > It's a rerelease of "Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin" and I believe > was released as yet another "Silver Machine" CD on the continent. > > FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat May 27 12:46:57 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:46:57 +0800 Subject: HW:inferior talent Message-ID: Ok, I'll check it out this week ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Hello William, Wouldn't mind the author and title of the book myself (maybe publisher?) greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Hi Kris I know this is a reply to an email a few weeks back, but my PC was out of action until today. There is a biography that I have seen in the shops on Eric Clapton, within which Dave gets quite a few mentions. I can check on the author for you if you wish? William ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: HW:inferior talent Sorry to write so long after the subject came up! Filip, have you got the David Bowie and Eric Clapton articles? Any chance of sending us copies? Thanks Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:20 AM Subject: HW:inferior talent Hello all, I don't agree with some of you who tell that Hawkwind has inferior talent. I have a article with David Bowie where he is asked about the best artists he ever played with and he states:Andrew Belew and Simon House!!! And wasn't Alan Davey a hell of a bass-player? I also have a biography of Eric Clapton who states that he and Mr.Brock played together.I asked Dave about it and he said it's TRUE !! Best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat May 27 12:54:14 2000 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:54:14 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Live CD Message-ID: There`s an advert in the new record collector for NMC music, PO Box 18079 London EC2A 4SB(nick at n-m-c.co.uk). It lists Live From The Darkside as a forthcoming Release. No cat. number. Si -------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File -REAL NEW ADDRESS! NOW SEARCHABLE! http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tindex.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Filip Vanhuyse" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Hawkwind Live CD > Hello Mike, > > Can you give label & cat no. from this one please? > > thanks > filip hawknut > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:47 AM > Subject: Hawkwind Live CD > > > > Just got a copy of this one from Andy G. It has a stylised picture of > > a dancer - presumably Stacia on the front in face paint and costume. > > It's a rerelease of "Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin" and I believe > > was released as yet another "Silver Machine" CD on the continent. > > > > FoFP > From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Sat May 27 13:12:48 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:12:48 -0400 Subject: Rob Eckstadt to join Sloterdijk U.S. festival lineup Message-ID: Veteran bassist Rob Eckstedt is tentatively scheduled to join the Sloterdijk U.S. festival lineup. I have known Rob for about 7 years now, and I am really psyched to have him join us. Rob is a native New Jersey, and has been playing in various bands for many years. Before I knew him, I was exposed to him while he was a member of the band "Oliver Twyst" one of several bands which were active in the Trenton New Jersey area during the early 90's. My own band ANTHEM fell into the same catagory. About 2 years later, I noticed an ad in a publication called "The Aquarian weekly", a greater New York area paper in which we all advertised. Two of my close friends had reformed their high school era band "Symbols of Resistance", after about 10 years of dormancy, and renamed the project "Sukie Jones"..This time around they were concentrating ( at this point), on doing an Aerosmith tribute show. They had tried using their original bass player, but soon became somewhat exasperated by him, and set off to find a replacement. I was flipping through the musician's classifieds and noticed an ad from a bass player who was likewise looking to be part of an Aerosmith tribute...I referred the ad to my friends, and within about a week rob had become part of their band, and remained so until 1999, performing their final gig with them at "The Angel Party", an event I organized and hosted. Simultaneously Rob had already began playing with the stones tribute, "Hot Rocks", a gig he still plays to this day, albeit no longer exclusively. Rob became interested in production work and set about building his own studio. It was Rob who assisted me with the original digital reprocessing of "Alien Theme" and Technoanthropology". He has now been recording original space rock of his own I am predicting that Rob will bring a more active style of bass playing to Sloterdijk, and he will likely play a bit of synth as well. I can't tell you how psyched I am to have him joining us. Not only is he a really decent bass player, but he is a really decent person as well. Peace, Mike Burro http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat May 27 13:42:35 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:42:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree (again) Message-ID: Having now given PT Lightbulb Sun a serious listen I can say that the new cd is the best thing they've released. It didn't hit me immediately but after a few listens ....brilliant. Has SW been listening to a bit of Jimmy Page recently? See you at the gigs. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Loehr From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun May 28 01:03:27 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:03:27 -0700 Subject: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig Message-ID: I was blown away by the acid daze in finsbury park and nearly went up to leeds, I was sure it was august? But no, It was december! luv ben Jill Strobridge wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linuxchaos > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: HW: 1986 or 1987 Leeds gig > > > It was Acid Daze II queens hall leeds august 1987. > > Can you confirm the month of August? My understanding is that Acid > Daze II was in December. It also wasn't a 3-day event. Reading, > however, was in August and was a 3-day event. Is there a confusion > here?? Does anyone still have their ticket for Acid Daze II? The > one I've seen has no date on it but has an ink line drawing in red of a > lady with long flowing hair (at least I think that's what it shows). > > Anyone? > > jill > > > > > gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > > > > > >And Pop will eat itself who did Orgone Accumulator. Naz Nomad and > the > > > Nightmares > > > > > > Naz Nomad & The Nightmares was actually the Damned in disguise. The > only > > > time I got to see my two fave bands on the same bill :) > > > Still the least enjoyable HW gig I've seen though :( > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > >Andreas > > > > > > > > > > From bocmadman at CHARIOT.NET.AU Sat May 27 18:42:18 2000 From: bocmadman at CHARIOT.NET.AU (Kevin Bycroft) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:12:18 +0930 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE BOC-L Message-ID: UNSUBSCRIBE BOC-L -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat May 27 21:15:54 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:15:54 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) Message-ID: Doug-man: Here's 'The Demented Man'. I'm not too sure of the chorus; have a go and see what you think. F#m B Questions asked, but never known. Penny gobbers which way I'll go F#m B Endless circles on my mind, spiraling a downward climb which way I'll go F#m B Thoughts are there for you to find, but you never know which way I'll go D C#m Those flashing lights are warning me D C#m But ever bidding voices see D C#m You're caught in a web of emptiness D C#m The tales told the path you tread D C#m Does it lead into your head D F#m Or back to a world of emptiness? Joe Loehr From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun May 28 10:39:56 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:39:56 EDT Subject: OFF: if this were an axual emergency, we'd be all blowed up -_- Message-ID: corporal: shore is quiet thar, cap'n.... captain: you are correct, corporal. it's quiet all right... _too_ quiet... [cue attacking native americans] === just making sure... "<>" From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun May 28 10:54:37 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:54:37 EDT Subject: OFF: if this were an axual emergency, we'd be all blowed up -_- Message-ID: Blowed up, real good! Joe Loehr From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun May 28 11:53:15 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:53:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Site update Message-ID: This weeks addition is a page of 7" covers, which you can find= at; http://hawkwind.freeservers.com/hwind3.htmlhttp://hawkwind.freese= rvers .com/hwind3.html Stuart NP Warren Haynes - Tales Of Ordinary Madness Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6= 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind= passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun May 28 12:26:04 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:26:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: if this were an axual emergency, we'd be all blowed up -_- In-Reply-To: <73.3a31378.266289bc@aol.com> Message-ID: Skraelings:yho At 10:39 AM 05/28/2000 EDT, you wrote: >corporal: shore is quiet thar, cap'n.... > >captain: you are correct, corporal. it's quiet all right... >_too_ quiet... > >[cue attacking native americans] >=== > >just making sure... > >"<>" > From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 29 10:02:25 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:02:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkfrendz Comic Marts Message-ID: Does anyone know when the next Hawkfrendz Comic Mart is? heard nothing from Trevor this year, is he still in operation? From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 29 10:16:31 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:16:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Will Huw LLG play with Nik Turner's reformation band, or will it be just a collection of all those who have been burned by Dave Brock? From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon May 29 10:39:18 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:39:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: if this were an axual emergency, we'd be all blowed up -_- Message-ID: [Message 041176 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon May 29 10:41:44 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:41:44 -0700 Subject: HW: OFF: if this were an axual emergency,we'd be all blowed up -_- Message-ID: [Message 041177 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 29 03:06:45 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:06:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <39327BBF.CC72CB05@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: Well, Huw's supposed to be at the Ystalyfera gig. I think "burned by Dave" is a bit uncalled-for, to be honest - all it is, is that Nik got in touch with a lot of these guys when trying to get the reunion together (which still might happen), and they decided it would be fun to play a few gigs anyway. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of linuxchaos > Sent: 29 May 2000 15:17 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Reformation > > > Will Huw LLG play with Nik Turner's reformation band, or will it be just > a collection of all those who have been burned by Dave Brock? > From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon May 29 11:42:28 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:42:28 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: oh ok (sorry). Andy Gilham wrote: > Well, Huw's supposed to be at the Ystalyfera gig. I think "burned by Dave" > is a bit uncalled-for, to be honest - all it is, is that Nik got in touch > with a lot of these guys when trying to get the reunion together (which > still might happen), and they decided it would be fun to play a few gigs > anyway. > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of linuxchaos > > Sent: 29 May 2000 15:17 > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: HW: Reformation > > > > > > Will Huw LLG play with Nik Turner's reformation band, or will it be just > > a collection of all those who have been burned by Dave Brock? > > From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon May 29 11:44:53 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:44:53 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: [Message 041180 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon May 29 05:16:19 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:16:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Eyewitness accounts Message-ID: I never got to see HW before 79. However, friends that did have interesting views most seem to think that the Calvert era was more interesting than the Lemmy years, the band was more together, less out of it, and the sound was clearer. Were you there? This stemmed from a conversation re pro's and con's of reunions e.g. Led Zep brilliant performances but always a crap sound - hence reform with Jason and do it right, Black Sabbath with Ozzy - would've been brilliant if the band hadn't been so bombed - have reformed, UFO with Schenker - did it recently and on form. Floyd with Roger - brilliant in the 70's, shite corporate rock in the 80's/90's without him - no chance of a reunion - more of a chance with Syd. Gong reformed in 94 albeit without Steve Hillage - blinding. Deep Purple/ Yes - egos intact in both bands keeping the feuds fuelled and full reunions unlikely. Dave NP: John Paul Jones - Zooma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 29 06:04:21 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:04:21 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Live CD In-Reply-To: Filip Vanhuyse's message of Sat, 27 May 2000 18:08:33 +0200 Message-ID: Filip Vanhuyse writes: > Hello Mike, > > Can you give label & cat no. from this one please? Don't have the number handy, but it was on the "Brilliant" label. FoFP > > thanks > filip hawknut > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:47 AM > Subject: Hawkwind Live CD > > > > Just got a copy of this one from Andy G. It has a stylised picture of > > a dancer - presumably Stacia on the front in face paint and costume. > > It's a rerelease of "Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin" and I believe > > was released as yet another "Silver Machine" CD on the continent. > > > > FoFP > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 29 09:56:30 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:56:30 +0800 Subject: HW: Eyewitness accounts Message-ID: There is talk on the Deep Purple newsgroup of a reunion of Rainbow (including Dio). There was similar plans just before Cozy Powell died, apparantly, but due to his death they decided it wasn't the right time. >From what I can gather, Dio recently announced that it will take place in Japan, and I think it will only be one gig, which will be recorded. William ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: HW: Eyewitness accounts I never got to see HW before 79. However, friends that did have interesting views most seem to think that the Calvert era was more interesting than the Lemmy years, the band was more together, less out of it, and the sound was clearer. Were you there? This stemmed from a conversation re pro's and con's of reunions e.g. Led Zep brilliant performances but always a crap sound - hence reform with Jason and do it right, Black Sabbath with Ozzy - would've been brilliant if the band hadn't been so bombed - have reformed, UFO with Schenker - did it recently and on form. Floyd with Roger - brilliant in the 70's, shite corporate rock in the 80's/90's without him - no chance of a reunion - more of a chance with Syd. Gong reformed in 94 albeit without Steve Hillage - blinding. Deep Purple/ Yes - egos intact in both bands keeping the feuds fuelled and full reunions unlikely. Dave NP: John Paul Jones - Zooma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon May 29 11:41:20 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:41:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Planet Earth Festival Message-ID: Hi all, I just found this on www.planetgong.co.uk in their gigs-section: Planet Earth Festival 1st/2nd/3rd September UK, Somerset, Nr Cheddar Gong have been approached to take part in a mega festival. Other artists possibly include, Caravan, Hawkwind, Man, Groundhogs, Melanie, Magma. Sounds _very_ interesting IMHO. Let's hope it'll prove true. (C)IAO D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon May 29 19:39:58 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:39:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Eyewitness accounts In-Reply-To: <001d01bfc94e$8d573d00$f223883e@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2000, david hall wrote: > I never got to see HW before 79. However, friends that did have > interesting views most seem to think that the Calvert era was more > interesting than the Lemmy years, the band was more together, less out > of it, and the sound was clearer. Were you there? This stemmed from a > conversation re pro's and con's of reunions e.g. Led Zep brilliant > performances but always a crap sound - hence reform with Jason and do > it right, Black Sabbath with Ozzy - would've been brilliant if the > band hadn't been so bombed - have reformed, UFO with Schenker - did it > recently and on form. Floyd with Roger - brilliant in the 70's, shite > corporate rock in the 80's/90's without him - no chance of a reunion - > more of a chance with Syd. Gong reformed in 94 albeit without Steve > Hillage - blinding. Deep Purple/ Yes - egos intact in both bands > keeping the feuds fuelled and full reunions unlikely. Purple are four-fifths reformed and have been for years. Ritchie's current bent being the medieval minstrelsy stuff, I think that's about as good as it can get anyway... Of course, that's only two-fifths of the _original_ lineup but that one barely had any riffs. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon May 29 20:07:45 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:07:45 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 5/27/00 Message-ID: 5/27/00 1.Mushroom--Elliott Smith (Hydrogen Jukebox) 2.Daevid Allen's Univ. of Errors--Prince of Sidewalk Scooter (Money Doesn't Make It) 3.Ashra--Hausaufgabe (Best of the Private Tapes) 4.Melting Euphoria--Mind's Eye (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 5.Melodic Energy Commission--Escargot (Moon Phase Compendium) 6. " " " --Off on a Current ( " " " ) 7. " " " --Gastropods in Transit ( " " ) 8.The Orb--Towers of Dub (Dipping into the Cyberworld) 9.Tone Float--Blood Red Horizon (Musik von...) 10.Steffe--Spirit Breath (Ambient Meditations Vol. 1 comp) 11.Census of Hallucinations--Planetary Allignment (Census of Hallucinations) 12.F/i--Boots of Ascension (Space Box comp) 13.Hawkwind--The Phenomenon of Luminosity (Church of Hawkwind) 14. " " --The Church ( " " " ) 15.Korai Orom--Track #8 (1997) Thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon May 29 21:19:45 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:19:45 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: Hey, folks. This is sorta "OFF", but not necessarily in that HW are involved directly and in many cases indirectly. It seemed like when I first joined boc-l had more discussion of space-rock in general...now that I've somewhat caught up w/the scene in general, it seems to have waned. Anyway, maybe this'll spark some convo... This is entirely subjective of course, but I had it in mind to make the Ultimate Space Rock comp...orig. for one tape but of course it expanded to 2, probably for the best. I tried to keep pretty close to a somewhat limited idea of what "space-rock" means to me...still I think there's some good variation... and I know a lot of space-rock bands weren't included while tracks from not-as-typically space-rock bands were included, meaning I simply tried to compile my favorite and quintessential tracks... anyway, I know my collection/knowledge is far from exhaustive and there are always zillions more bands waiting in the wings to be discovered later, it seems. If you have any comments re: this compilation, "what I should have added" or what I shouldn't have, praise, flames, whatever... the ultimate quintessential space rock: Tape 1, Side 1: 1.Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual) 2.Spacious Mind--The Cave Song (Organic Mind Solution) 3.Ashra Tempel/T. Leary--Powerdrive/Right Hand Lover (Seven-Up) 4.F/i--Star Spot (Helioscopium) 5.Farflung--Solar Electrique/Open Your Mouth (25000 ft. p/Second) 6.Pressurehed--Explaining the Unexplained (Explaining the Unexplained) Tape 1, Side 2: 1.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) 2.Gong--A Sprinkling of Clouds (Est Mort) 3.Melting Euphoria--Harbor of Infinity (Upon the Solar Winds) 4.Amon Duul 2--Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge (Wolf City) 5.ST-37--Night Jetz (Space-Age) 6.Nik Turner--Opa Loka 2000 (Past or Future?) 7.Sun Dial--Plains of Nazca (Other Way Out) 8.Darxtar--Darker (Darker) 9.Hawkwind--Life Form (PXR 5) Tape 2, Side 1: 1.Spacehead--Mechanoid Dream/Hail the Messiahs/Dark Star (In Space We Trust) 2.Gong--Flying Teapot (Live Etc.) 3.Darxtar--Dark Daze (Daybreak) 4.Amon Duul 2--Wieder Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) 5.PXR 1--Spirit of the Age (The Elf and the Hawk) 6.Word of Life--Sunrise (To Dust) Tape 2, Side 2: 1.Tribe of Cro--Ritual Meditation (Potlach) 2.Hawkwind--Space is Deep (Doremi Fasol Latido) 3.Melting Euphoria--Astral Nemesis (Upon the Solar Winds) 4.Guru Guru--Space Ship (Hinten) 5.Can--Spoon (Ege Bamyasi) 6.Architectural Metaphor--Brainticket (Odysseum Galacti) A few regrets: no Amon Duul 2 "Yeti", no Ozrix, no more F/i ("Space Station" would have been perfect), not enough Hawkwind :), no Spac. Mind "Intergalactic Love Machine 2", no poetry/fx tracks, maybe Krel deserved a spot, etc...but even w/2 90-minute tapes, there were space limitations, representation limitations, etc! anyway, again, comments/convo appreciated, Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 29 21:51:08 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:51:08 -0400 Subject: HW: OFF: SD'2K/Quarkstock Message-ID: Hi Folks... I don't have the energy right now to post a full synopsis, but the Quarkstock event, while not massively attended, was a fabulous event with a great spirit, and everyone there seemed to really enjoy themselves. Thanks to everybody who made the effort to show up! The bands (and Jim's SolarFire lot, and Thom!) really travelled a long way to get there, and managed to summon up the energy to put on a really impressive show. The Quarkspace 'crew' were excellent hosts and the event was very well organized and all the bands got their allotted time with minimal delays! Much better than a lot of major fests I've been to! Jim L. made a lengthy announcement about the upcoming SD'2K, and the need to get more fan support for the event, lest the Nelson Ledges folks decide not to continue hosting them. He did hand out little flyers promoting the event, and there was a short list of some of the gigs that have been scheduled for the travelling SD tour...but of course, I failed to bring one home with me. So I can't post the info right now. There were six or so dates listed, some of them 'TBC' still. I'm sure they will be up on the www.strange-trips.com site soon, but I'll post them if I get them first. They have a SD'2K message board up now, for questions and such...Here's some important info I've summarized FYI... Grakkl (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Here ya go... STANGE DAZE 2000 August 11th - 13th Advance Full Festival Tickets - $60 Good from Friday 9:00 am to Sunday 6:00 pm Only advance ticket holders are GUARANTEED campsites! Send Postal Money Order or Check made out to: Strange Trips 4485 W. 130 Cleveland, Ohio 44135 *** *** *** THESE TICKETS WILL ONLY BE SOLD AT THE GATE FRIDAY DAY TRIPPER Tickets - $30 Good ONLY for Friday - 9am to Midnight *NO camping gear allowed for these ticket holders SATURDAY - $35 9am Saturday thru 6pm Sunday *Camping gear IS allowed for these ticket holders Posted by Strange-Trips webmaster (JLascko?): We did lights there this weekend and the music went till about midnight. The campground has alot of red tape to deal w/ and have almost been shut down. If you look at their web page NLQP.com you will see that they posted something like "the last few fests have gone well and the county is giving us more leeway now." Posted by LTaylor978 at aol.com: Best event of the new era. do not miss! Anyone looking to hitch a ride from Ontario Canada to Nelson let me know, I have small space outside but BIG n the inside! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 30 11:55:06 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:55:06 -0400 Subject: HW: More cover versions Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just learned a little about two bands (Lord Brain and Lquid Visions) playing at the North German Hawkfan Fest this year... http://www.zabozodiac.homesites.de/ A note to whoever is compiling the list of HW cover versions on tape/disc. Lord Brain recorded versions of Sputnik Stan and Assassins of Allah on their latest live disc. Anybody heard these bands before? Thoughts, comments? Grakkl (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 30 21:54:49 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: Hey... >Hey, folks. This is sorta "OFF", but not necessarily in that HW are involved >directly and in many cases indirectly. It seemed like when I first joined >boc-l had more discussion of space-rock in general...now that I've somewhat >caught up w/the scene in general, it seems to have waned. Anyway, maybe >this'll spark some convo... Yeah, things have gotten a little 'technical' around here lately. Gigdates of the past, tabs, who's doing what when, tourdates, CD releases delayed (again)....all that's fine and dandy and useful info (I contribute plenty meself). However, might be nice to have some 'theoretical' discussions around here once in awhile. I helped spur one on over at spacerockers to a smaller audience, so many of you prolly missed it. >If you have any comments re: this compilation, "what I should have added" or >what I shouldn't have, praise, flames, whatever... > >the ultimate quintessential space rock: > >Tape 1, Side 1: > >1.Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual) >2.Spacious Mind--The Cave Song (Organic Mind Solution) >3.Ashra Tempel/T. Leary--Powerdrive/Right Hand Lover (Seven-Up) >4.F/i--Star Spot (Helioscopium) >5.Farflung--Solar Electrique/Open Your Mouth (25000 ft. p/Second) >6.Pressurehed--Explaining the Unexplained (Explaining the Unexplained) > >Tape 1, Side 2: > >1.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) >2.Gong--A Sprinkling of Clouds (Est Mort) >3.Melting Euphoria--Harbor of Infinity (Upon the Solar Winds) >4.Amon Duul 2--Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge (Wolf City) >5.ST-37--Night Jetz (Space-Age) >6.Nik Turner--Opa Loka 2000 (Past or Future?) >7.Sun Dial--Plains of Nazca (Other Way Out) >8.Darxtar--Darker (Darker) >9.Hawkwind--Life Form (PXR 5) > >Tape 2, Side 1: > >1.Spacehead--Mechanoid Dream/Hail the Messiahs/Dark Star (In Space We Trust) >2.Gong--Flying Teapot (Live Etc.) >3.Darxtar--Dark Daze (Daybreak) >4.Amon Duul 2--Wieder Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) >5.PXR 1--Spirit of the Age (The Elf and the Hawk) >6.Word of Life--Sunrise (To Dust) > >Tape 2, Side 2: > >1.Tribe of Cro--Ritual Meditation (Potlach) >2.Hawkwind--Space is Deep (Doremi Fasol Latido) >3.Melting Euphoria--Astral Nemesis (Upon the Solar Winds) >4.Guru Guru--Space Ship (Hinten) >5.Can--Spoon (Ege Bamyasi) >6.Architectural Metaphor--Brainticket (Odysseum Galacti) > >A few regrets: no Amon Duul 2 "Yeti", no Ozrix, no more F/i ("Space Station" >would have been perfect), not enough Hawkwind :), no Spac. Mind >"Intergalactic Love Machine 2", no poetry/fx tracks, maybe Krel deserved a >spot, etc...but even w/2 90-minute tapes, there were space limitations, >representation limitations, etc! Hmmm...well I often work on the basis of 'quotas' and sub-genre-izing to the extreme. Mainly just to get a handle on so many bloody discs in my possession. And I think you've cut out a few that deserve 'inclusion.' And as you say, you were pretty narrow in this collection. Nothing wrong with that...this is all great stuff. Other than Potlach (did that CD finally come out?) and Gong Est Mort (I coulda bought the vinyl at one point years ago, but am still waiting for a CD), I could have made this same compilation. I'm very surprised *not* to see any of the improvisational works of bands like Escapade, SubArachnoid Space, Speaker\Cranker, Mushroom, Mirza....all kindred spirits I believe and a major 'new' movement in space-psych music. You play this stuff on your fabulous radio show every week...so where is it? :) And there's a little less of 'free festy' psych than I would have thought. The two Melting Euphoria's are a good surrogate, but I would have to have given some time to the UK side of things, Delerium bands mainly. Ship of Fools, Dead Flowers, Soma, all those folks. And a Porky Tree tune or two on the side. I would put a Korai Orom track from '1997' on any space rock compilation, as it's a new subgenre all by itself IMHO. I would stretch the boundary and throw on a 'stoner' tune by Orange Goblin (for Tim!) ;) or mebbe On Trial at least. Or from the new Spacious Mind. And then some dreamy shoegazery-space stuff like the first Verve album, or SIANspheric (from Hamilton, ON), or Aspera Ad Astra, or 7% Solution, or DarkStar's Gracedelica, or old Levitation. You've got a good sample of the old krautrock stuff (though I would have picked different tracks from each band) and plenty of great classic space rock and blanga stuff. And some of the fuzzy space-punk of Chrome/P-hed/ST37. The Sundial is a good choice in lieu of the garagey neo-psych of Woronzow et al., but maybe one more of these. Debatable things are droners (Bardo Pond, Charalambides, Magnog, Windy & Carl, etc.), neo-krautrock/post-rock (Fuxa, American Analog Set, Tortoise, Stereolab, Karamasov...though either Circle or Ausgang are a must!), pure ambient (I would choose a single Cluster/Harmonia track at least), and then something like Godspeed you Black Emperor! (usu. lumped in with 'post-rock' but all-together unique). Slow Riot is amazing...but a single piece uses up half a side of your tape...so only an excerpt I guess. Loses a lot there though. I think you need at least three tapes! :) Grakkl (FAA) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 30 08:12:38 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:12:38 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) In-Reply-To: <96.55f4d73.2661cd4a@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <96.55f4d73.2661cd4a at aol.com>, Joe Loehr writes >Penny gobbers? Can anyone shed any light on this particular phrase? penny gobbers? -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed May 31 05:20:50 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:20:50 EDT Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/00 4:51:47 AM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << >Penny gobbers? >> ===== a/k/a "jawbreakers"? "<>" From micci at SCI.FI Wed May 31 10:18:10 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:18:10 +0300 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: Where is Dark Sun and TimeSpace Continuum song? I think that it?s one of best songs ever! >Hey, folks. This is sorta "OFF", but not necessarily in that HW are involved >directly and in many cases indirectly. It seemed like when I first joined >boc-l had more discussion of space-rock in general...now that I've somewhat >caught up w/the scene in general, it seems to have waned. Anyway, maybe >this'll spark some convo... > >This is entirely subjective of course, but I had it in mind to make the >Ultimate Space Rock comp...orig. for one tape but of course it expanded to 2, >probably for the best. >I tried to keep pretty close to a somewhat limited idea of what "space-rock" >means to me...still I think there's some good variation... and I know a lot >of space-rock bands weren't included while tracks from not-as-typically >space-rock bands were included, meaning I simply tried to compile my favorite >and quintessential tracks... >anyway, I know my collection/knowledge is far from exhaustive and there are >always zillions more bands waiting in the wings to be discovered later, it >seems. > >If you have any comments re: this compilation, "what I should have added" or >what I shouldn't have, praise, flames, whatever... > >the ultimate quintessential space rock: > >Tape 1, Side 1: > >1.Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual) >2.Spacious Mind--The Cave Song (Organic Mind Solution) >3.Ashra Tempel/T. Leary--Powerdrive/Right Hand Lover (Seven-Up) >4.F/i--Star Spot (Helioscopium) >5.Farflung--Solar Electrique/Open Your Mouth (25000 ft. p/Second) >6.Pressurehed--Explaining the Unexplained (Explaining the Unexplained) > >Tape 1, Side 2: > >1.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) >2.Gong--A Sprinkling of Clouds (Est Mort) >3.Melting Euphoria--Harbor of Infinity (Upon the Solar Winds) >4.Amon Duul 2--Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge (Wolf City) >5.ST-37--Night Jetz (Space-Age) >6.Nik Turner--Opa Loka 2000 (Past or Future?) >7.Sun Dial--Plains of Nazca (Other Way Out) >8.Darxtar--Darker (Darker) >9.Hawkwind--Life Form (PXR 5) > >Tape 2, Side 1: > >1.Spacehead--Mechanoid Dream/Hail the Messiahs/Dark Star (In Space We Trust) >2.Gong--Flying Teapot (Live Etc.) >3.Darxtar--Dark Daze (Daybreak) >4.Amon Duul 2--Wieder Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) >5.PXR 1--Spirit of the Age (The Elf and the Hawk) >6.Word of Life--Sunrise (To Dust) > >Tape 2, Side 2: > >1.Tribe of Cro--Ritual Meditation (Potlach) >2.Hawkwind--Space is Deep (Doremi Fasol Latido) >3.Melting Euphoria--Astral Nemesis (Upon the Solar Winds) >4.Guru Guru--Space Ship (Hinten) >5.Can--Spoon (Ege Bamyasi) >6.Architectural Metaphor--Brainticket (Odysseum Galacti) > >A few regrets: no Amon Duul 2 "Yeti", no Ozrix, no more F/i ("Space Station" >would have been perfect), not enough Hawkwind :), no Spac. Mind >"Intergalactic Love Machine 2", no poetry/fx tracks, maybe Krel deserved a >spot, etc...but even w/2 90-minute tapes, there were space limitations, >representation limitations, etc! > >anyway, again, comments/convo appreciated, Chuck > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 31 10:20:11 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: Miika queries... >Where is Dark Sun and TimeSpace Continuum song? I think that it?s one of >best songs ever! Yeah, it is cool. On that note...what's happening with the Metamorphos stock? Is that being liquidated, and hence bound for obscurity in a short time? Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik Turner LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! I snagged one of the copies from him ($15 w/o shipping), but haven't had the chance to give it a thorough listen just yet. The cover art is extra cool! But here's a warning for the kollektors that're planning to get one from Jerry....he's only got a very few (like eight), and they did get 'dinged' in the overseas shipment, i.e., the top right corners of some of them are creased somewhat (some more than others). Didn't harm the vinyl inside in any way. It doesn't bother me really, as its value won't be a factor - I'll never sell this thing in my lifetime. And I guess the CD release fell through entirely, so that's that. The AI catalog hasn't been updated to include this item, but he's working on a June 1 update (promised by the weekend), so I imagine it'll appear very shortly. Don't wait to get yours! Scott H. posted all the other places in the world that got copies. I guess Delerium/Freak Emporium snapped up a big chunk of them...so when Andy Gee and everyone else runs out (quickly I imagine), they'll prolly be the last ones with 'em. Grakkl (FAA) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed May 31 12:40:35 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:40:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF: "Space Rock"//message from doc synth Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: DWa2898572 at aol.com Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:25:57 EDT Size: 433 URL: From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed May 31 13:01:37 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:01:37 +0200 Subject: HW: More cover versions Message-ID: K Henderson schrieb: > Just learned a little about two bands (Lord Brain and Lquid Visions) playing > at the North German Hawkfan Fest this year... > Anybody heard these bands before? Thoughts, comments? Liquid Visions are from Berlin and play sort of heavy 60?s psych pop. So far they only released one self-titled album, which has been re-released on CD in 99 by the band themself. Originally it was a tape only release in 95. It includes a great version of "Magic potion" and the other 6 tracks are in a similar style. A few months ago they released a 7" EP called "Overstellar Interdrive", a version of the Floyd track + 2 new songs, limited to 500 copies. Liquid Visions are closely related to Zone Six by the way. Haven?t heard of Lord Brain, but I?m looking forward to see them in a fortnight in Hamburg. Are there more people on this list going to be there? So far I know that Juba, Scott Heller, Bernie Pospiech and Rainer Wangler will definitely go. Andreas From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Wed May 31 15:30:28 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:30:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: >Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik Turner >LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... MWood NP: _Life'll Kill Ya_ - Warren Zevon --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 31 14:43:04 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:43:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: MWood chucked.... >On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: >>Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik Turner >>LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! > >You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... Duh. Did I *hafta* say he made a cassette copy to play in car? :) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Is Finnish TV selling videos (VHS-NTSC preferably) of the Nik/5:15 show that was just recently shown there? From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 31 14:04:55 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:04:55 +0100 Subject: HW - Krel concert and more Message-ID: Hi People, Just got back from the amazing free concert by Krel's alter-ego, Cyber-Krel, outside the massive Sainsburys Supermarket in Stafford. Krel played the best electronic music set I have heard in years to thousands of amazed shoppers, for a huge three and a quarter hour set. I hope to have some photos on a web site soon and maybe Jerry would like a report for the online AI? Sainsburys management were delighted by the event (we had videos of Mooch, Doug Snyder and Nash The Slash playing inside the supermarket) and that's a first for any national supermarket in the UK - let's hear it for Sainsburys!!! A CD of that or new studio stuff WILL follow in a few months time. Ploughing through the 100+ e.mails, I thought I'd let Keith know that the Gong 'Est Mort' CD is out anytime now. Regarding Mikka's tape, pretty good, but, really, you need a ten cassette box set to come even close. There's now a ltd edition Spacehead CD-R called 'Earth Ritual Previews' or something like that (only just got it) and it's 6GBP. It's a 4-tracker with three demo versions of tracks from the forthcoming album and a 4th bonus track (sorry to be sketchy but I've left the darned thing at CD Services) that won't be on anything else - anyway, it's out now and in stock and it's superb - really!!! We hope to be reactivating Dead Earnest (been on ice for 6 months due to family illness and ramifications) in July/August with several new things in the pipeline - will let you know. More no doubt to come as the e.mail reading progresses. 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Andy Garibaldi now listening to Wildhearts-White Lies From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 31 15:37:54 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:37:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Darkside Message-ID: > Hi folks... > > What the hell is this??? > > My latest issue of Goldmine has an ad that lists this new CD. It says: > Hawkwind - Live Darkside (UK CD Wembley Empire Pool 1972)....$18.99. > > Now I know that all sorts of folks are advertising Voiceprint shit for sale > that won't be released for six months (I have even seen the Nottingham set > on-sale at Ebay! Bollocks...the guy should be banned from posting something > that doesn't exist!). So I figure this won't see the light of day for > months...but what the hell is it? What label, etc.? > ================= I think it's on New Millennium label but whatever ,it's all part of the Magnum-Dressed To Kill-Demi Monde collective or licensed affiliate that is trying to think up hundreds of new ways to market the same old crap in the knowledge that the audience will buy it, but how far can the patience of the audience be stretched before breaking point occurs - I have a good mind not to advertise this at all through CDS as I'm sick of all this but there are still lots of you collectors out there who want everything (really!!) so while I disagree, I respect that, and it will be on our new catalogue, out soon, But I do feel a little saddened when you get things as amazing as the new Starfield CD and people don't bother with an album that is absolutely tailor-made for Hawkfans to make way for the umpteenth version of something that wasn't all that good in the first place - c'est la vie. See you at the Porc Tree Glasgow gig on Saturday - I'll be the one in the orange T-shirt!!!!!! Andy Garibaldi. listening to Frank Zappa-Valley Girl From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed May 31 15:28:23 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:28:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Zevon's lky Message-ID: >NP: _Life'll Kill Ya_ - Warren Zevon Glad to see I'm not the only one stuck on this, it's been stuck in my mind and cd rotation for a solid 2-3 weeks now. I know it's not space rock, but I generally like Zevon's stuff, and this one caught me off guard... wasn't expecting to like it as much as i did. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 31 15:25:24 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:25:24 -0400 Subject: HW - Krel concert and more Message-ID: Andy Gee-wizzed... >Hi People, >Just got back from the amazing free concert by Krel's alter-ego, Cyber-Krel, >outside the massive Sainsburys Supermarket in Stafford. Krel played the best >electronic music set I have heard in years to thousands of amazed shoppers, Ummmm...shit....next Quarkspace will be at Krogers! :) >for a huge three and a quarter hour set. I hope to have some photos on a web >site soon and maybe Jerry would like a report for the online AI? He's not here, but I can tell you he would. I sent him your last one (the aforementioned Nik-Fifteen gig). Up this weekend. >Ploughing through the 100+ e.mails, I thought I'd let Keith know that the Gong >'Est Mort' CD is out anytime now. Great! >Regarding Mikka's tape, pretty good, but, really, you need a ten cassette box >set to come even close. It was Chuck's tape actually. Or tapes I should say. >There's now a ltd edition Spacehead CD-R called 'Earth Ritual Previews' or >something like that (only just got it) They can only use that title if they never actually release 'Earth Ritual.' :) Make sure they know that! >But I do feel a little saddened when you get things as amazing as the new >Starfield CD and people don't bother with an album that is absolutely >tailor-made for Hawkfans Um....is this the band that you were teasing me about before? I never did find out what it was you were all excited about. Give me more details...country, label, instrumentation, song-styles, improv vs. vocal-songs, etc. Grakkl (FAA) From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Wed May 31 18:53:48 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:48 -0700 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: They used to have LP players for cars in the late 50's/early 60's. How well they worked I don't know but I remember seeing them. Feeling way too old, John ----- Original Message ----- From: K Henderson To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:43 AM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" > MWood chucked.... > > >On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: > >>Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik Turner > >>LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! > > > >You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... > > Duh. Did I *hafta* say he made a cassette copy to play in car? :) > > Grakkl (FAA) > > P.S. Is Finnish TV selling videos (VHS-NTSC preferably) of the Nik/5:15 > show that was just recently shown there? From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed May 31 19:24:51 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:24:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: PTree (was: Re: HW: Live Darkside) Message-ID: ---- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: Re: HW: Live Darkside > See you at the Porc Tree Glasgow gig on Saturday - I'll be the one in the > orange T-shirt!!!!!! ouch - I'm a month out. It's *this* Saturday! thank you!! jill From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 31 18:23:48 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:23:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors OFF Message-ID: Hi Folks... Bloody hell...I hear it's off again, last minute decision. If you were planning to go to any of these shows...don't bother. Grakkl (FAA) DAEVID ALLEN'S UNIVERSITY OF ERRORS...JUNE/JULY, EUROPEAN DATES Thurs 1st June Belgium, Brussels, VK Club. Schoolstraat 76. tel +32 (0)2 414 2907 Mon 5th June Norway, Haugesund (West coast). tel +47-9719-6440 Tues 6th June Norway, Oslo (or 7th, tba) Thurs 8th June Denmark, Copenhagen, Loppen. Badsmanstrade +43. tel 45-3257 8422 Fri 9th June Germany, Kaltenkirchen, Nr Hamburg. Tues 13th June Austria, Vienna, Szene Wien, Hauffgasse 26. tel +43-(1)749-1775-14 www.szenewien.com Wed 14th June Austria, Innsbruck, tba. Thurs 15th June Italy, Verona (or 18th), tba. Fri 16th June Italy, Trento. Sat 17th June Italy, tba. Sun 18th June Italy, (Verona) or France, tba. Mon 19th June France, tba. Tues 20th June France, tba. Fri 23rd June Belgium, Liege, La Zone. Rue Mean 27. tel +32 (0)4 341 0727 Wed 28th June Belgium, Diksmuide, 4AD. Bortierlaan 3. tel +32 (0)51 504 894 Thurs 29th June Holland, Amsterdam, Kalenderpanden. Entrepotdok. tel +31(0)20 420 6645 Fri 30th June UK, London (or 1st July), venue tba . From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 31 18:25:59 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:25:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: University of Errors OFF Message-ID: Hi Folks... >Bloody hell...I hear it's off again, last minute decision. If you were planning >to go to any of these shows...don't bother. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I assume this has no impact on the August US dates. (Perhaps even more now?) And I gather Daevid will still be in Glastonbury w/ Gong at least. From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Wed May 31 21:08:25 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:08:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: < and Gong Est Mort (I coulda bought the vinyl at one point years < ago, but am still waiting for a CD) Hey there is a CD version of this, on the French Celluloid label 66915-2 Jeff