From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 1 05:16:49 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:16:49 GMT Subject: >>Stonehenge 84 eh! In-Reply-To: Robert Robinson's message of Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:15:24 -0000 Message-ID: Robert Robinson writes: > Awesome few days! > Missed the Snorkwind gig though,aaaargh! > I remember Karma Kanix (I have a tape of it somewhere),The Invisible > band,(just > one guy I think) Sometimes a woman too. In 83 I was camped near 'em and they were playing at their campsite about any time it was light. I was pretty sick of 'em by the end of a week. Mind Your Head! FoFP From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 1 10:12:15 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:12:15 -0000 Subject: HotMG art Message-ID: Does anyone have any scanned images of Hall of the Mountain Grill? --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 1 13:19:55 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:19:55 +0000 Subject: >>Stonehenge 84 eh! In-Reply-To: <200003011016.KAA08892@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <200003011016.KAA08892 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Robert Robinson writes: > >> Awesome few days! >> Missed the Snorkwind gig though,aaaargh! >> I remember Karma Kanix (I have a tape of it somewhere),The Invisible >> band,(just >> one guy I think) > >Sometimes a woman too. In 83 I was camped near 'em and they were >playing at their campsite about any time it was light. I was pretty sick >of 'em by the end of a week. > >Mind Your Head! > >FoFP I can hear that scale he'd play, and her accompaniment, even now. Honestly. -- Jon From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 1 14:43:11 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:43:11 -0000 Subject: >>Stonehenge 84 eh! Message-ID: Didn't he come after HW had finished at one of the Brixton all-nighters ('91 I think when they did two sets), having 'entertained' those in the queue all afternoon? Nick -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 March 2000 18:23 Subject: Re: >>Stonehenge 84 eh! >In message <200003011016.KAA08892 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes >>Robert Robinson writes: >> >>> Awesome few days! >>> Missed the Snorkwind gig though,aaaargh! >>> I remember Karma Kanix (I have a tape of it somewhere),The Invisible >>> band,(just >>> one guy I think) >> >>Sometimes a woman too. In 83 I was camped near 'em and they were >>playing at their campsite about any time it was light. I was pretty sick >>of 'em by the end of a week. >> >>Mind Your Head! >> >>FoFP > >I can hear that scale he'd play, and her accompaniment, even now. > >Honestly. > >-- >Jon From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Wed Mar 1 23:14:23 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:14:23 -0800 Subject: HW: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Video-CD Message-ID: So tonight I was flipping through the used CD bins and I came across this Hawkwind Video-CD called _The Chronicle of the Black Sword_. It evidently was released in 1995 on a label called Visionary, and contains 70 minutes of video from the 85 Hammy O show. The label claims: "This disk is a 'White Book' Video CD and can be played with digital stereo sound on CD-I and MPEG compatible players." I figured I can watch MPEG video on my PC, so I'll try it out for just US$5. Of course, I can't figure out how to get the damn thing to do anything. Anyone have any suggestions? I know that you could buy CD-I equipment for your home stereo a few years back - is that my only recourse? Is that kind of stuff still available? And is this CD a rare find? Incidentally, the guy behind the counter was a Hawkfan, too! We talked a bit about them, but I think I may have frightened him when I told him I have over 45 Hawkwind disks. Though I just counted, and I really have 66... MWood --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Mar 2 03:51:45 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:51:45 +0100 Subject: HW: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Video-CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >So tonight I was flipping through the used CD bins and I came across this >Hawkwind Video-CD called _The Chronicle of the Black Sword_. It evidently >was released in 1995 on a label called Visionary, and contains 70 minutes >of video from the 85 Hammy O show. > >The label claims: "This disk is a 'White Book' Video CD and can be played >with digital stereo sound on CD-I and MPEG compatible players." I figured >I can watch MPEG video on my PC, so I'll try it out for just US$5. Of >course, I can't figure out how to get the damn thing to do >anything. Anyone have any suggestions? I know that you could buy CD-I >equipment for your home stereo a few years back - is that my only >recourse? Is that kind of stuff still available? And is this CD a rare find? > >Incidentally, the guy behind the counter was a Hawkfan, too! We talked a >bit about them, but I think I may have frightened him when I told him I >have over 45 Hawkwind disks. Though I just counted, and I really have 66... > >MWood you can play it with you windows mediaplayer. if you are running windows 98 that is. you have to open the latest mediaplayer version 6.4 use: file open and then click on .dat and it starts playing. so you don't need extra hardware or software. regards andre From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Mar 2 05:12:25 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:12:25 -0000 Subject: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Video-CD Message-ID: Hi My copy plays just fine on my pc! I just click on the E-drive icon in "My Computer" , there's a couple of options, but basically it plays itself! The quality isn't any better than the VHS tape though. (Hah - my VHS tape cover is autographed by Mike Moorcock!) good luck, Guy -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Wood [mailto:mwood at MY-DEJA.COM] Sent: 02 March 2000 04:14 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Video-CD So tonight I was flipping through the used CD bins and I came across this Hawkwind Video-CD called _The Chronicle of the Black Sword_. It evidently was released in 1995 on a label called Visionary, and contains 70 minutes of video from the 85 Hammy O show. The label claims: "This disk is a 'White Book' Video CD and can be played with digital stereo sound on CD-I and MPEG compatible players." I figured I can watch MPEG video on my PC, so I'll try it out for just US$5. Of course, I can't figure out how to get the damn thing to do anything. Anyone have any suggestions? I know that you could buy CD-I equipment for your home stereo a few years back - is that my only recourse? Is that kind of stuff still available? And is this CD a rare find? Incidentally, the guy behind the counter was a Hawkfan, too! We talked a bit about them, but I think I may have frightened him when I told him I have over 45 Hawkwind disks. Though I just counted, and I really have 66... MWood --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Thu Mar 2 07:42:46 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:42:46 -0800 Subject: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Video-CD Message-ID: Thanks, Guy & Andre for the help! I was able to open it with MediaPlayer 6.4. I'm watching the show now. MWood NP: TCotBS, of course! On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:12:25 Thomas Guy wrote: >Hi > >My copy plays just fine on my pc! > >I just click on the E-drive icon in "My Computer" , there's a couple of >options, but basically it plays itself! >The quality isn't any better than the VHS tape though. >(Hah - my VHS tape cover is autographed by Mike Moorcock!) --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From SHLL at NOVO.DK Thu Mar 2 08:17:42 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:17:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: On Trial Message-ID: Hej All, Here are the dates for the On Trial TX/LA/OK tour: March 9, Outback - Houston, TX March 10 - Dagostino's - Lake Charles, LA March 11 - Frosty Factory - Alexander, LA March 12 - Tentative - Shreveport, LA March 13 - The Dell - Norman, LA March 14 - Samurai Saki House, Oklahoma City, OK March 15 - Clearview SXSW Sampler, Dallas, TX March 16 - Green Frog's - Abilene, TX March 17 - Off March 18 - Soho Lounge - SXSW Festival, Austin, TX March 19 - Sunset Station - San Antonio, TX March 20 - Tentative - Corpus Christie, TX March 21 - Tentative - Galvestine, TX ------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd Tsunami/Birdbrain Agency Sankt J?rgens All? 7, o.g. St. t.h. DK - 1615 Copenhagen V. Denmark Tel: +45 33 790 200 - Fax: +45 33 790 250 E-mail: tsunami at get2net.dk Web: <3rd-tsunami.com> scott From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 2 10:57:02 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:57:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule now on tour Message-ID: Gov't Mule are now on tour again. I had the great pleasure of catching the first two gigs of the tour (Salem, VA [2/25/2000] and Charlottesville, VA [2/26/2000]), and will almost certainly be going to see them again at Ziggy's, Winston-Salem, NC soon (and maybe at Charleston, WV, too). The remaining dates of the tour (announced so far) are given below. (Aussies, please note 4/23 date!) I hear Johnny Neel (Blue Floyd and ABB alumnus) will be guesting up to 3/11 or thereabouts! I heartily recommend going to see this band. >>>>> National Tour Dates - updated 3/1/00 *Remember the Mule hotline #: (212)803-5459 3/1 - Vernon Center Hartford CT (Trinity College Free Show) (acoustic show For info call 860-297-2001 or 860-297-2050) 3/2 - Webster Theatre Hartford CT (Venue 860-246-8001) 3/3 - Avalon Night Club Boston MA (on sale now 617-423-NEXT or at Next online) 3/4 - Winter Mardi Gras Fest Burlington VT (Free Outdoor Show) 3/5 - The Pickle Barrel Night Club Killington VT (Venue 802-422-3035) 3/6 - The band will be doing an in store appearance at Looney Tunes on Long Island at 7 PM (for info 631-587-7722) 3/7 - Irving Plaza NYC NY (Venue 212-777-6817)(on sale now at 212-307-7171 or at Ticketmaster 3/8 - Irving Plaza NYC NY (Venue 212-777-6817)(on sale now at 212-307-7171 or at Ticketmaster (Doyle Bramhall opening) 3/9 - TLA Philadelphia PA (on sale now at 215-336-2000 or at Ticketmaster) ***During the day GM will be doing a live recording for a future broadcast for the World Cafe syndicated radio show*** 3/10 - 9:30 Club Washington DC (on sale now at 202-432-SEAT or at Ticketmaster) 3/11 - Bohager's Baltimore MD (NOTE VENUE CHANGE) (Venue 410-563-7220) Bohager's 3/12 - Mountain Stage Charleston WV 3/13 - KRFX Charlotte NC 3/14 - Ziggy's Winston-Salem NC (Venue 336-748-1064) 3/15 - Tremont Music Hall Charlotte NC (Venue 704-343=9432)(on sale now at 704-343-9494 or at Ticketmaster) 3/17 - Schultz Beer Garden Austin TX (part of SxSW Music Conference) 3/18 - Ground Zero Spartenburg SC 3/22 - Georgia Theatre Athens GA 3/23 - Music Farm Charleston SC 3/24 - Meadowview Center Kingsport TN (for tickets 1-800-820-5055 or 1-423-578-6600) 3/25 - Cherry Blossom Festival Macon GA 3/27 - Vogue Theatre Indianapolis IN (on sale now at 317-239-5151 or at Ticketmaster) 3/28 - The Metropol Pittsburgh PA 3/29 - Newport Music Hall Columbus OH 3/30 - The Odeon Concert Club Cleveland OH (on sale now at 216-241-5555 or at ticketmaster) 4/3 - Madison Theater Peoria IL 4/4 - Pierre's Fort Wayne IN (on sale now at 219-424-1811 or at Ticketmaster) 4/5 - State Theatre Kalamazoo MI (on sale 2/25 at 616-373-7000 or at Ticketmaster) 4/6 - The Rave Underground Milwaukee WI (on sale now 414-276-4545 or at Ticketmaster) 4/7 - Cabooze Minniapolis MN (on sale now at 651-989-5151 or at Ticketmaster) 4/8 - Mississippi Nights St. Louis MO 4/11 - Granada Theatre Lawrence KS (on sale 2/24 at 816-931-3330 or at Ticketmaster) 4/12 - Cain's Ballroom Tulsa OK 4/15 - Vic Theatre Chicago IL (on sale now at 312-559-1212 or at ticketmaster) 4/23 - Red Devil Park Byron Bay Australia )For info you can check here 11th International East Coast Blues & Roots Festival <<<<< Cheers, Paul. NP: Black Sabbath, _Black Sabbath_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Hawkfan at ZAROZINIA.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 2 11:10:38 2000 From: Hawkfan at ZAROZINIA.DEMON.CO.UK (David Holden) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:10:38 +0000 Subject: [OT] Gong & Tim Blake In-Reply-To: <200002291532.PAA02095@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <200002291532.PAA02095 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Denis Regenbrecht writes: > >> >Also: what's Global's relationship to Gong/GAS? >> >> Despite the fact that they released their album on the Gliss label (which >> is a part of GAS) I don't know of any further relationship. > >Does anyone have a discography of Global. I rather like their stuff. > >FoFP there's a web site http://www.seventhwavemusic.co.uk/ -- David Holden From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 2 10:17:22 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:17:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule now on tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2 Mar 00, at 10:57, Paul Mather wrote: > Gov't Mule are now on tour again. I had the great pleasure of > catching the first two gigs of the tour (Salem, VA [2/25/2000] and > Charlottesville, VA [2/26/2000]), and will almost certainly be going > to see them again at Ziggy's, Winston-Salem, NC soon (and maybe at > Charleston, WV, too). > What do you think of the new CD? I haven't gotten it yet, but I've heard that it's a departure from past work in that it features overdubs [gasp!] and guest musicians... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 2 11:18:18 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:18:18 -0500 Subject: traveling to Austin for SxSW? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Lance Lester and Rachel Young wrote: => Hi folks...for those that are coming to Austin for the South By SouthWest => conference, the Music Fest Schedule is available. See www.sxsw.com for full => listings. => Gov't Mule will be here on Friday March, 17th @Scholz Beer Garten => (a German place) The line-up as listed in the Austin Chronicle => 9pm Kevn Kinney (Athens, Ga) => 10pm Bonepony (Nashville, Tn) => 11pm De Dijk (Amsterdam) => 12am Bottle Rockets (Festus, Mo) => 1am Gov't Mule (New York, NY) => hopefully they'll play longer than an hour!! ATTENTION TEXANS!!!!! The Bevis Frond will also be playing this year's SXSW Festival! They will also be playing a one-off date at CBGB's, NYC on March 21st for you lucky New Yorkers. This is from the www.flydaddy.com WWW site: THE BEVIS FROND Mar-16 Austin, TX / Atomic Cafe (SXSW Festival) (w The Lucky Bishops, Green Pajamas, and The Alchemysts) Mar-21 NYC / CBGB's Also, from the SXSW schedule: Atomic Cafe 705 Red River (18 & up) ST 37 (Austin, TX) 8:00 p.m. Rubric Records Presents: The Lucky Bishops (Dorset, UK) 9:00 p.m. The Green Pajamas (Seattle, WA) 10:00 p.m. Alchemysts (with Simeon) (Somerset, UK) 11:00 p.m. Bevis Frond (London, UK) 12:00 a.m. High Rise (Tokyo, JAPAN) 1:00 a.m. Space/psyche rock fans take note!! ST37 *AND* High Rise on the bill with the Bevis Frond!! Also, I believe Simeon is *the* Simeon of legendary Silver Apples fame (although wasn't he badly injured recently?). (If anyone manages to tape any of this, put me down beforehand for a grovel for a copy!) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Music Hall_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 2 11:48:21 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:48:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule now on tour In-Reply-To: <200003021617.LAA14977@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: => What do you think of the new CD? I haven't gotten it yet, but I've => heard that it's a departure from past work in that it features overdubs => [gasp!] and guest musicians... If you read the liner notes, Gov't Mule's _Dose_ also featured overdubs. ;-) Yes, there are overdubs (or should I say "more overdubs"). Initial reaction on EMULE was that the album is "overproduced." I don't think that's fair, or even accurate. It is less *raw* and hard-edged than the previous two studio efforts, but it's not overproduced by a long chalk. Yes, there are guests on about half the tracks: mainly Johnny Neel on keyboards, Hook Herrera on harmonica, and Ben Harper guests on one track. Perhaps the guests lead to the cries of overproduction, because folks are not used to hearing the Mule with keyboards (though only a few of the tracks actually have keyboards). (Besides, what about all the guests on LWALHFOF??) Some of these songs have been played live a lot for a while: No Need to Suffer; Wandering Child; Life Before Insanity; Lay Your Burden Down; Bad Little Doggie, and some played occasionally live: Fallen Down; World Gone Wild. But there are some brand spanking new songs: Tastes Like Wine; Far Away; I Think You Know What I Mean; and In My Life. The album is a departure in that it has more shades to it (lyrically, as well as musically). Some of those brand new songs even have a definite _Tales of Ordinary Madness_ feel to them! And, "In My Life" is an acoustic ballad!! (But, it's my second-favourite track on the album!) As a guitar person, you can appreciate this next statement more than I, but I heard that one of the reasons the album has a different vibe to it is that Warren consciously decided to use his Firebirds more than the Les Paul, and this has contributed to its "different" sound. I listened to _Life Before Insanity_ all the way on the 2.5 hour drive to the Charlottesville show, and that was enough to convince me this album is worth buying. For newbies, this is probably Gov't Mule's most "accessible" album. (That is not intended as a negative comment.) BTW, they still rock on this album! (They also still rock live!!) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Life Before Insanity_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu Mar 2 06:44:47 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:44:47 +1100 Subject: HW: Metro Message-ID: FWIW, I've put scans of the "best" shots from my rather dissapointing photographic recording of the Metro gig up at the following URL: http://sonique.net/Hawkwind/Metro Sonique -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 2 13:38:55 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:38:55 -0800 Subject: OFF: traveling to Austin for SxSW? Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:18:18 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >Also, from the SXSW schedule: > > Atomic Cafe > 705 Red River (18 & up) > > ST 37 (Austin, TX) 8:00 p.m. > Rubric Records Presents: > > The Lucky Bishops (Dorset, UK) 9:00 p.m. > > The Green Pajamas (Seattle, WA) 10:00 p.m. > > Alchemysts (with Simeon) (Somerset, UK) 11:00 p.m. > > Bevis Frond (London, UK) 12:00 a.m. > > High Rise (Tokyo, JAPAN) 1:00 a.m. > > >Space/psyche rock fans take note!! ST37 *AND* High Rise on the bill >with the Bevis Frond!! I haven't heard the Lucky Bishops, but Green Pajamas are also really great - more psych-POP than any of the other bands on the bill. Very English Freakbeat influenced (Sgt. Peppers, Tomorrow, S.F. Sorrow, etc.). This should be an absolutely *killer* show. I feel sorry for my former bandmate Eric Arn, whose new Primordial Undermind lineup is playing in a different club the same night. >Also, I believe Simeon is *the* Simeon of >legendary Silver Apples fame (although wasn't he badly injured >recently?). Yes, it is, and yes, he was, but by all reports his recovery has been nothing short of miraculous. I'm pretty certain that Silver Apples have been playing out again recently. If anyone makes it to that show, PLEASE post a review here! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 2 18:37:32 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:37:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: Hi Folks... Was just perusing the Glasters site again, and notice that HW is no longer the number one vote-getter. If you add the two totals for Neil Finn together, you get 721 to HW's 697. Now it's even more apparent how silly this thing is...every so often, obviously a list of some sort gets wind of the voting, and zoom!! Off shoots one particular band for a week or so. But then they max out and slow to a trickle...note Marillion at 326, when they were at about 275 when HW was at about 15. And Radiohead has slowed to a crawl at 574. But then A-Ha (who?) has come out of nowhere to tally 557, and Duran Duran (ugh! Worst ever band) now has 393, and All-star United (Who? Isn't that a football club?) is at 470. Anyway, HW continues to surge forward at a reasonable rate, so I suppose that does say something. Poor BOC only has 3 votes, 17 behind Born To Go (adding two totals again). I guess only half the list is paying attention. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Neil's brother Tim only has 50 votes..."Mom always said she liked you best." From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 2 22:58:07 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:58:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stoner Rock festival Message-ID: Hi Folks...another FYI Keith H. (FAA) "Emissions from the Monolith" - Youngstown, Ohio (midway between Pittsburgh and Cleveland) Price: $11.00 available from www.meteorcity.com Available Quantity: 999 Contact information: Nyabinghi, 1229 Salt Springs Road, Youngstown, OH 44509 Bands playing on Friday, April 14: Bottom Bongzilla 'Cuda Tummler Kung Pao Nice Cat Rebreather Bands playing on Saturday, April 15: Spirit Caravan Karma To Burn Sixty Watt Shaman Red Giant Boulder Mustache Wickerman Penance Six Sigma Honeymaid Throttlerod Need a place to stay? Here is lodging in the area: Econo Lodge 330-759-9820 or 1-800-424-4777 Best Western 330-544-2378 Tallyho-tel 330-759-4092 (usually least expensive) Holiday Inn Metroplex 330-759-0606 Super 8 330-759-0400 or 1-800-800-8000 Motel 6 330-793-9305 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 3 04:01:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 04:01:55 EST Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: < But then A-Ha (who?) >> ==a mainstay of the early days of MTV one hit wonders(?) let someone else say more heh "<>" From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 3 07:40:12 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:40:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: >In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > >< But then A-Ha (who?) >> > >==a mainstay of the early days of MTV >one hit wonders(?) > >let someone else say more They were a 2-hit wonder. At least, that is, I remember two songs of theirs, 'Take me on' and 'The sun always shines on tv'. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 3 08:21:08 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:21:08 EST Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/00 8:16:17 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << Take me on' >> =-=-== i believe it was "Take on me". oh those wacky Norwegians... "<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 3 08:48:15 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:48:15 EST Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/00 8:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << i believe it was "Take on me". oh those wacky Norwegians... >> you are correct sir. as far as 'hits' go, it was just the one. what i also recall was that the band was totally pre-fab; never having played together until their premiere on an mtv awards show, where this fact was part of their intro: 'ladies and gents: their first time ever playing together!! A-HA!!!" uh-huh rmayo From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 3 09:33:33 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:33:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats In-Reply-To: <36.2d39355.25f0d983@aol.com> Message-ID: At 04:01 03.03.2000 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > >< But then A-Ha (who?) >> > >==a mainstay of the early days of MTV >one hit wonders(?) > >let someone else say more >heh > >"<>" My ex went to St. Petersburg once on a cheap flight deal which turned out to be spare seats on a charter carrying them & Aerosmith & their respective entourages to the "White Nights" festival. She said they were rather dull people, though one of the non-toxic Aerosmithers was quite a pleasant chap who was amused that really she knew bugger-all about them..... Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Mar 3 09:51:50 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:51:50 -0600 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats In-Reply-To: <200003031240.HAA18668@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Andrew A. Apold wrote: :Subject: Re: HW: Glastonbury stats : :>In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: :> :>< But then A-Ha (who?) >> :> :>==a mainstay of the early days of MTV :>one hit wonders(?) :> :>let someone else say more : :They were a 2-hit wonder. : :At least, that is, I remember two songs of theirs, :'Take me on' and 'The sun always shines on tv'. They also did the theme song for _The Living Daylights_ (one of the bond films.) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From jani.rakuscek at GUEST.ARNES.SI Fri Mar 3 10:22:34 2000 From: jani.rakuscek at GUEST.ARNES.SI (direstr8s) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:22:34 +0100 Subject: off Message-ID: hi could anyone tell me how to unsurbscribe from the list? BOC are the best From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Mar 3 10:42:50 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:42:50 -0500 Subject: off Message-ID: direstr8s wrote: >hi >could anyone tell me how to unsurbscribe from the list? write to listserv at listserv.spc.edu and type "signoff jani.rakuscek at GUEST.ARNES.SI" without the quotes, of course. And that's it. For anyone else who has been wanting to fiddle with their listserv settings (and has lost the first message from BOC-L when you signed on), everything you would ever want to know can be found at: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8d/user/user.html#2.4 >BOC are the best Well said! :-) Brian obCD> BOC "Fire of Unknown Origin" NP> F/i "Helioscopium" ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM Fri Mar 3 12:29:51 2000 From: MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM (Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:29:51 -0500 Subject: No Moose is good Moose Message-ID: I just thought that you guys (and gals) had to see this: ============================================================= Moose walks over car ============================================================= OSLO, Norway -- According to the Dagsavisen newspaper, Raymond Johansen and his girlfriend were driving to Oslo when they stopped for a moose in the highway. They thought they had avoided a costly collision. But after about two seconds of staring at them, the moose trotted toward the car and proceeded to walk on top of it, kicking in the windshield. MoVe iT oR LoSe iT: http://cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/02/29/bc.norway.mooserage.ap/index.html From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Mar 3 13:18:45 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:18:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats In-Reply-To: <200003031240.HAA18668@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us>; from mordru@FLITE.NET on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 07:40:12AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 07:40:12AM -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > > > >< But then A-Ha (who?) >> > > > They were a 2-hit wonder. > Don't be too derisive; they've got HW beat by a hit. (No, I've never heard of them either.) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 3 07:28:18 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:28:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats Message-ID: Naah - few hits in the eighties, Scandewegian, lead singer had the ridiculous name of Morton Harkett (or something). (I've not thrown those mags out yet if anyone wants them, although I suspect Gill'll be insisting I do soon... :-( Q, Mojo, Guitar Mag.) R. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 9:01 AM Subject: Re: HW: Glastonbury stats > In a message dated 3/2/00 6:38:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > > < But then A-Ha (who?) >> > > ==a mainstay of the early days of MTV > one hit wonders(?) > > let someone else say more > heh > > "<>" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 3 14:41:47 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:41:47 -0800 Subject: NIK: the LA show Message-ID: The latest listing I received from a friend of mine who knows the folks at Spaceland ... >Sun.?Hawkwind cat Nik Turner?s Five Fifteen; >also Michael Whitmore Experimental Ghoulash; >plus (of course) a psychedelic light show; $10. ... no mention of the Space Ritual/Farflung/Pressurehed band ... I suppose I'll find out when I get there ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Mar 3 16:17:26 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:17:26 -0600 Subject: floridians Message-ID: any floridians on the list? I'm stuck in Orlando for much of next week sans car (I'll be at apachecon for work.) any bocl'ers want to save me from terminal boredom next week? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 3 16:26:14 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:26:14 -0500 Subject: floridians Message-ID: >any floridians on the list? > >I'm stuck in Orlando for much of next week sans car (I'll >be at apachecon for work.) > >any bocl'ers want to save me from terminal boredom next week? Actually, yes. I live in west palm beach, but I'll be in Orlando over the weekend. What dates will you be around? "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Mar 3 17:10:46 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:10:46 -0600 Subject: floridians In-Reply-To: <200003032126.QAA25356@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Andrew A. Apold wrote: :Subject: Re: floridians : :>any floridians on the list? :> :>I'm stuck in Orlando for much of next week sans car (I'll :>be at apachecon for work.) :> :>any bocl'ers want to save me from terminal boredom next week? : :Actually, yes. I live in west palm beach, but I'll be in :Orlando over the weekend. : :What dates will you be around? : I'll be in Orlando from 3/7-3/10 (come in on tues., leave on friday). can't stay for the weekend, alas. Doable? Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 2 18:44:52 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:44:52 -0500 Subject: floridians In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >:What dates will you be around? >: > >I'll be in Orlando from 3/7-3/10 (come in on tues., leave on friday). >can't stay for the weekend, alas. I'd like to visit Apachecon, but I'm working in WPB each day. ah, well. If you get a chance, visit Sci-Fi city, one of the best stores of its kind in the nation IMO. They're in the phone book. I don't know most of Orlando too well. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Mar 3 17:22:43 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:22:43 +0100 Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone heard if the vinyl collection is still for sale,or what? Still interested in some items,not the lot. filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Vinyl collection for sale > Hello, > > > If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of the vinyl list, please e-mail > > and I will send it to you. > > thanx in advance > > D+R > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 4 06:06:12 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:06:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: No Moose is good Moose Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 5:29 PM Subject: No Moose is good Moose > I just thought that you guys (and gals) had to see this: ============================================================= > Moose walks over car ============================================================= > OSLO, Norway -- According to the Dagsavisen newspaper, Raymond > Johansen and his girlfriend were driving to Oslo when they > stopped for a moose in the highway. > > They thought they had avoided a costly collision. But after > about two seconds of staring at them, the moose trotted toward > the car and proceeded to walk on top of it, kicking in the > windshield. There's a rather nice car advert on UK TV at the moment with a moose standing in the middle of the road while a super-swish car hurtles towards it at breakneck speed and the viewer then sees a series of photographic snapshots of the moose as a baby and then a young adult as its life clearly flashes before its eyes before the car brakes to an abrupt halt and swerves around the beast which is left still standing gormlessly in the middle of the road as the car speeds off into the distance. Well I liked it 8-) jill ----------------------------------------------------------------- Jill Strobridge ----------------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Mar 4 09:43:08 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:43:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: No Moose is good Moose In-Reply-To: <006301bf85c9$a7f168c0$ce1b883e@jds> Message-ID: At 11:06 04/03/00 -0000, Jill wrote: > >There's a rather nice car advert on UK TV at the moment with a moose >standing in the middle of the road while a super-swish car hurtles >towards it at breakneck speed and the viewer then sees a series of >photographic snapshots of the moose as a baby and then a young adult as >its life clearly flashes before its eyes before the car brakes to an >abrupt halt and swerves around the beast which is left still standing >gormlessly in the middle of the road as the car speeds off into the >distance. > >Well I liked it 8-) So do I...anything that takes the piss out of Mercedes Benz is OK by me. You're obviously not a petrolhead though: It's not a "super-swish car", just a family saloon (Ford Focus). Autophiliacally Yours, ChrisW Todays Big Score: Vinyl "WotEoT", pristine, ?3.00. And an even more pristine "Spectres" to replace my battered copy! From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 4 18:17:42 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:17:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfan Festival In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Found this in alt.music.psychedelic. Forgive me if it's already been posted. Work is like an 8 hour drum solo at the moment. Not that's bad or anything. Sheeesh! ______________________________________________________________________ The Hamburg Hawkfanfest will be happening June 16th-June 18th. This is a FREE FESTIVAL!!!! There will be beer & Barbecue available at low cost, and plenty of room for camping.. Bands include: Schrodinger's Cat (D) Lord Brain (D) Sloterdijk (USA) Nik Turner (GB) Liquid Zoo (D) Das Weeth Experience (D) Spacewind (Spacehead with X-Hawkwind members) Lightshow: Lucifer's Sundream Visit the official festival website at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Vine/7939/hawfans/hf.htm -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 4 20:03:59 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:03:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule now on tour In-Reply-To: <200003021617.LAA14977@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 11.17 -0400 00-03-02, Ted Jackson jr wrote: >What do you think of the new CD? I haven't gotten it yet, but I've >heard that it's a departure from past work in that it features overdubs >[gasp!] and guest musicians... Aw, there are overdubs on both previous studio CDs as well. And I like the idea of guest musicians--especially on-stage, but in the studio as well. I haven't had a chance to listen to the new album much, but so far I think it rocks. Much more upbeat and colorful than Dose. I expect it will grow on me even more, which is saying something :) Saw them in Boston last night and they had Johnny Neel playing with them. The jams really took off when he came out on stage with them. Played some old Dickey Betts band track for the first time in over a decade and it completly rocked. Excellent. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 4 20:06:27 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:06:27 -0500 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000303114147.0095f5c0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 11.41 -0800 00-03-03, Doug Pearson wrote: >The latest listing I received from a friend of mine who knows the folks at >Spaceland ... > >>Sun.?Hawkwind cat Nik Turner?s Five Fifteen; >>also Michael Whitmore Experimental Ghoulash; >>plus (of course) a psychedelic light show; $10. Eh!? Are 5:15 touring the US!? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Mar 5 01:55:35 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:55:35 +0100 Subject: HW:PXR5 for swap or sale Message-ID: Hello all, Found a PXR5 CD,wasn't anyone searching for that item lately? Mostly I want to swap for another HawkwindCD,ok? VIRGIN CDSCD4016 Greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 6 06:37:55 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:37:55 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule now on tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 4 Mar 00, at 20:03, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Saw them in Boston last night and they had Johnny Neel playing with > them. The jams really took off when he came out on stage with them. > Played some old Dickey Betts band track for the first time in over a > decade and it completly rocked. Excellent. Lucky devil! The current tour doesn't look like it's going to get close to my neck of the woods, but they usually play up here somewhere at least once a year, so maybe there's still hope. BTW, anyone would be well advised to look up that Dickey Betts Band album, Excellent work throughout. Allmans were idiots not keeping Johnny in the group, as he's a hell of a singer, harpist, and keyboardist... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 6 09:59:35 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:59:35 -0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl asks: > Eh!? Are 5:15 touring the US!? > Not really - a date in Baja then a date in LA on the way back home (both with Nik). I suppose I might have gone but I'd already planned the weekend in Switzerland :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Mar 6 06:18:51 2000 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:18:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: TBS Covers Message-ID: I know this one kinda ran out already, but a couple ideas just occurred to me: I'd love to hear Deb and the rest of TBS do "Son of a Preacher Man". And Al would probably do an awesome job with some of that older, more spiritual/mystical Dr. John stuff. -- Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 6 14:07:52 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:07:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Glastonbury stats In-Reply-To: <69.1d537d1.25f11644@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/00 8:16:17 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: > > << Take me on' >> > =-=-== > i believe it was "Take on me". > oh those wacky Norwegians... As I remember it, being a young thing new to radio-ownership and "pop" music at the time, they were one of the more tolerable eighties pop bands. And they did a James Bond theme (`Living Daylights') so they probably had three hits. Hey, I even remember their singles that _didn't_ hit. Woah dude. However, I am _listening_ to `Frozen Other' by Das Ludicroix and the public look at me strangely so I claim membership of the United Mutations and diplomatic immunity :-) Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 6 16:53:19 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:53:19 +0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >I suppose I might have gone but I'd already planned the weekend in >Switzerland :) > >-- Andy Mmm bap bap, mmm bap bap, yeah! -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 7 01:01:37 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:01:37 EST Subject: NIK: the LA show Message-ID: In a message dated 3/6/00 4:55:44 PM, Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << Mmm bap bap, mmm bap bap, yeah! >> ======= it's "boop bip bip", aint it? "<>" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 7 02:46:15 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 07:46:15 -0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Mmm bap bap, mmm bap bap, yeah! > > > -- > Jon > > I get around??? :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 7 05:09:25 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:09:25 EST Subject: NIK: the LA show Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/00 2:45:14 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: << I get around??? :) -- Andy >> ===== well, i thought we were vocalizing a bit of love's "7 and 7 is" and thinking "golly, how cool and obscure of us" "<>" From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 7 08:34:24 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:34:24 +1100 Subject: HW: Greetings Message-ID: Hi. Thought I'd just let you know I was here. I guess my first question is, are any of my old friends from the early 80's HW network here? Y'know, back in the days when we actually used to type out letters to each other, and then get a reply two or three weeks later?! For those who don't know me, which I reckon a fair bet is everyone, I became an instantaneous Hawkwind fanatic in 1976, when at age 13 I bought Warrior, because I liked the cover, and was subsequently fell entirely under the HW spell, spending the next five years a true fanatic, and the five years after that as a stalwart admirer. I seem to have dropped out of circulation, HW-wise, as far as I can tell, in around 1985 - partly, perhaps, because of what I regarded at the time as a pretty mediocre sequence of albums, compilations and re-hashes that were coming out. Well, plenty of time to discuss such things later. Thought I'd just say hello. Here's a time-trip for you. Looking through old letters last night; TrevHughes mail-order catalogue fromm mid 1983: 1978 Hawklords tour programme - 1 pound Robert Calvert - Cricket Star flexi-single - .80p God, he even had Capt Lockheed on _8-track!_ Anyway hi. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 7 09:27:47 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:27:47 GMT Subject: HW: Greetings In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:34:24 +1100 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > Hi. Thought I'd just let you know I was here. I guess my first question is, > are any of my old friends from the early 80's HW network here? Y'know, back > in the days when we actually used to type out letters to each other, and > then get a reply two or three weeks later?! Odds are I was in that network somewhere, though I was mostly in touch then with Colin Harris, Brian Tawn, Rainer Wangler, Graham ???? (the soldier) and another German Hawkwind/Tangerine Dream fan whose name I've forgotten but would probably remember if Bernhard listed 'em. > Here's a time-trip for you. Looking through old letters last night; > TrevHughes mail-order catalogue fromm mid 1983: > 1978 Hawklords tour programme - 1 pound > Robert Calvert - Cricket Star flexi-single - .80p > > God, he even had Capt Lockheed on _8-track!_ He probably still does. FoFP From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 7 09:59:10 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:59:10 +1100 Subject: HW: Greetings Message-ID: A >> Here's a time-trip for you. Looking through old letters last night; >> TrevHughes mail-order catalogue fromm mid 1983: > >> 1978 Hawklords tour programme - 1 pound >> Robert Calvert - Cricket Star flexi-single - .80p >> >> God, he even had Capt Lockheed on _8-track!_ > >He probably still does. Does he have a website? All the links to Hawkfrendz etc which I've clicked on have turned up with 404's. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 7 10:09:26 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:09:26 -0500 Subject: You never write, you never call Message-ID: Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's bloodbath? Steve swann at plutonia.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 7 09:17:21 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:17:21 EDT Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <20000307100926.A31254@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On 7 Mar 00, at 10:09, Stephen Swann wrote: > Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) > > So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's > bloodbath? > Well, you've been blamed for just about every misfortune to befall the planet in your absence... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 7 10:23:21 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:23:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Greetings In-Reply-To: <20000307145908.KIWD16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: > Does he have a website? All the links to Hawkfrendz etc which I've clicked > on have turned up with 404's. No chance, I think he still does those newsletters with a stencil machine! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 7 10:24:18 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:24:18 -0000 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <20000307100926.A31254@plutonia.com> Message-ID: > So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's > bloodbath? Let's see, BOC's best album of the 90's... that's a tricky one! :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 7 10:25:22 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:25:22 GMT Subject: HW: Greetings In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Wed, 8 Mar 2000 01:59:10 +1100 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > A > >> Here's a time-trip for you. Looking through old letters last night; > >> TrevHughes mail-order catalogue fromm mid 1983: > > > >> 1978 Hawklords tour programme - 1 pound > >> Robert Calvert - Cricket Star flexi-single - .80p > >> > >> God, he even had Capt Lockheed on _8-track!_ > > > >He probably still does. > > Does he have a website? Not that I know of. It's quite awesome to consider that old Hughes-like efficiency working at the speed of light... FoFP From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 10:27:32 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:27:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfrendz website = Blasphemy Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gadd" To: "Multiple recipients of list BOC-L" Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: HW: Greetings > >> God, he even had Capt Lockheed on _8-track!_ > > > >He probably still does. Yes, he does. > > Does he have a website? All the links to Hawkfrendz etc which I've clicked > on have turned up with 404's. > -- Trev would NEVER have a computer, he's a self confessed Luddite! Some people have tried doing sites for him, but the 404's suggest this didn't get far. Neil. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 7 10:31:37 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:31:37 -0500 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <200003071517.KAA06401@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 10:17:21AM -0400, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > On 7 Mar 00, at 10:09, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) > > > > So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's > > bloodbath? > > > Well, you've been blamed for just about every misfortune to befall the > planet in your absence... Remind me to unsub again before the presidential election. But, hasnything important happened in the BOC/Hawkwind world? I figure I've been away since August, that's usually long enough for 2 live Hawkwind albums, and 87 compilations/reissues/remasters. And for Blue Oyster Cult to change drummers. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 7 10:30:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 02:30:56 +1100 Subject: HW: Greetings Message-ID: At 03:23 PM 3/7/00 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >> Does he have a website? All the links to Hawkfrendz etc which I've clicked >> on have turned up with 404's. > >No chance, I think he still does those newsletters with a stencil machine! Well, if he's also trying to do his webpages on a stencil machine, that would certainly account for the 404 errors. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 7 10:02:04 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:02:04 -0500 Subject: You never write, you never call Message-ID: >Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) > >So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's >bloodbath? You missed the list being down for a week, and the "blame it on Swann backlash"... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Tue Mar 7 10:40:24 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:40:24 -0000 Subject: OFF: Mmmmm Message-ID: I'll have two of the large 'baps' please. Anyway, I thought it was Little Town Flirt ;-) Mark (Hasbeen) -----Original Message----- >I suppose I might have gone but I'd already planned the weekend in >Switzerland :) > >-- Andy Mmm bap bap, mmm bap bap, yeah! -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 7 10:59:21 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:59:21 EST Subject: OFF: Mmmmm Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/00 10:50:50 AM, MLee at ESPARTO.ORG writes: << I'll have two of the large 'baps' please. nah, "bips" i tol' ya, "bips" mr gilham was on the right track. ==== <> mr shannon might get 6 syllables out of the word "hurt" but i recall no "baps", much less "bips".... ba-domp-bomp "<>" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 08:14:11 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:14:11 +0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >well, i thought we were vocalizing a bit of love's "7 and 7 is" > >and thinking "golly, how cool and obscure of us" Love and Alice Cooper are obscure now? Man, I feel old.... -- Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 7 11:38:18 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:38:18 -0500 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <20000307100926.A31254@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote: => Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) => => So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's => bloodbath? Of note, you missed BOC-L's very first CD-R tree! (Dan Witt treed Hawkwind's 1999 Milton Keynes gig w/Harvey Bainbridge set as filler.) That, and a lot of blame aimed your way. ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Hawkwind, _Stonehenge (This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic)_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 10:28:06 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:28:06 +0000 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:09:26 EST." <20000307100926.A31254@plutonia.com> Message-ID: > Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) > > So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's > bloodbath? never happened. But now you come to mention it... Nah, a decade is too much hassle to ontemplate anyway. Narrowed to '99 - Unida, Slipknot, Dark Star spring to mind. Tim From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 7 11:45:04 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:45:04 EST Subject: NIK: the LA show Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/00 11:38:06 AM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << Love and Alice Cooper are obscure now? forgot it was covered by AC after i'd lost interest in him. yeah, i'd say Love qualified as 'obscure', once beyond rarefied outposts such as ours... == <> ===== that's a separate issue, comrade (grin) "<>" From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Mar 7 12:02:12 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:02:12 -0600 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <200003071528.PAA17828@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Yah, agreed on the Unida. Great album. The split cd w/ Dozer is really good, too. Would add Farflung's *Belief Module* to the best of '99, as well God Speed You Black Emperor. Would also have to add the Boom Boom Satellites *Out Loud* to the list; it's like a version of the Chemical Brothers that actually rocks and isn't so numbingly repetitive--great, Bonham-like drums, and they aren't afraid of guitars. They're Japanese, too. dunno what else. Overall, '99 was a bit disappointing. --Thomas On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, bart wrote: > > Oh, wait, I've been unsubscribed. :-) > > > > So, what have I missed? Did I miss the best-albums-of-the-90's > > bloodbath? > > never happened. But now you come to mention it... > > Nah, a decade is too much hassle to ontemplate anyway. Narrowed to '99 - > Unida, Slipknot, Dark Star spring to mind. > > > Tim > From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 12:56:05 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (DIGEST Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:56:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Cover versions Message-ID: Just finished listening to the splendid live version of "Golden Void" by Sloterdijk recorded in Berlin on 16/12/99. But wait, it's only available on the sampler from the forthcoming "Integration" CD and won't be on the album itself. Ah, well, you'll just have to wonder... Stuart NP Sloterdijk - Integration sampler Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Mar 7 14:22:21 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:21 -0600 Subject: OFF:IMF/World Bank Meeting in Washington Message-ID: To show your support for IMF and World Bank activities you can go to their headquarters in Washington D.C. April 16-17. Right now that is when they have their meeting scheduled. If you want any more information, I'm totally blank (though intent upon going). bring your gas mask! :) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Mar 7 16:07:43 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:07:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover versions In-Reply-To: <200003071839.SAA07200@radius.connectfree.net> Message-ID: I had Sloterdijk (Mike) over last december at my house, just before he went to Berlin. So tell us more Stuart! --BArt On 7 Mar 00, at 17:56, DIGEST Stuart A Hamilton wrote: Priority: normal Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:56:05 -0000 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: DIGEST Stuart A Hamilton Subject: HW: Cover versions To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Just finished listening to the splendid live version of "Golden Void" > by Sloterdijk recorded in Berlin on 16/12/99. > > But wait, it's only available on the sampler from the forthcoming > "Integration" CD and won't be on the album itself. > > Ah, well, you'll just have to wonder... > > Stuart > NP Sloterdijk - Integration sampler > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground > E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Do n Van Vliet > alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Mar 7 16:07:43 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:07:43 +0100 Subject: OFF:IMF/World Bank Meeting in Washington In-Reply-To: <38C556ED.8CBA4ADD@softhome.net> Message-ID: For the europeans: There wil also be a meeting in Prague in September. I'll be there :-) --BArt On 7 Mar 00, at 13:22, Sen. Volstead wrote: Date sent: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:22:21 -0600 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "Sen. Volstead" Subject: OFF:IMF/World Bank Meeting in Washington To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > To show your support for IMF and World Bank activities you can go to their > headquarters in Washington D.C. April 16-17. Right now that is when they > have their meeting scheduled. If you want any more information, I'm totally > blank (though intent upon going). bring your gas mask! :) From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 03:26:53 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:26:53 +0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: <8a.176972f.25f5f541@aol.com> Message-ID: In message <8a.176972f.25f5f541 at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes > >it's "boop bip bip", aint it? maybe. "you can throw me if you like and I go boop bip bip, boop bip bip, yeah!" then again, maybe not. I prefer the Alice Cooper cover. I'm pretty sure *he* doesn't say boop bip bip, even if Arthur did. -- Jon From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 7 03:12:15 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:12:15 +0000 Subject: NIK: the LA show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy Gilham writes >I get around??? :) Love's "Seven and Seven Is". Through I preferred Alice Cooper's cover. Won't make much sense if you don't know the song. I'll get me coat... -- Jon From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 7 17:51:52 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:51:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: You never write, you never call Message-ID: >dunno what else. Overall, '99 was a bit disappointing. Which year of the 90's wasn't ? :-o Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - http://www.noosfere.com/ (in French) - http://www.noosfere.com/icarus/homepage.htm (in English) Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 7 19:54:39 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:54:39 GMT Subject: OFF:IMF/World Bank Meeting in Washington In-Reply-To: Bart Brugmans's message of Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:07:43 +0100 Message-ID: Bart Brugmans writes: > For the europeans: > > There wil also be a meeting in Prague in September. I'll be there :-) It's good to see folks protesting the damage that the IMF and the World Bank are doing to freedom of international trade and investment. I feel almost guilty that I won't be there but rest assured that this anarchocapitalist is there in spirit. -- A Laissez Faire Friend of Fernando Poo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 7 20:52:08 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:52:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Alex remarked... >>dunno what else. Overall, '99 was a bit disappointing. > >Which year of the 90's wasn't ? :-o Surely this is a joke, right? I thought '99 produced a great number of really good albums, if you searched long and hard enough. And the 90s have been spectacular, at least in comparison to the absolutely dismal 80s. I'm talking only in terms of interesting 'underground' music I suppose, whatever that means...I guess I mean anything that doesn't sell. (Who would waste their time wondering if Culture Club was better or worse than Matchbox 20?) Although I would prefer to divide recent rock history into decades landing on the 8's, i.e., 1968-77 (brilliant), 1978-87 (abysmal), 1988-97 (great, but *way* 'underground'), 1998-2000 (good, but still too early to tell). (And anything before 1967, totally irrelevant. I just put that in there for any Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame voters here on boc-l.) :) Well, OK, there were *some* good things that came out in the 80s, like some of the NWOBHM groups (Diamond Head especially) and some high points from HW (Levitation and some RCA stuff) and Motorhead, plus random things like Roger Taylor's Fun in Space and Queensryche's Operation: Mindcrime, and even Marillion's MC and CaS , but man, that's it! Well, OK, the proto-alternative movement that started in Minneapolis and LA during the mid-80s was worthwhile (though not really that spectacular), but then no one (including me) payed any attention to it until 1989 when Jane's Addiction and the Seattle-ites made it a name brand (and then ruined it soon thereafter). 1988 saw the return of HW to proper form, and the emergence of the Ozrics and all the other free-festy bands to international awareness, and the 90s have been strong ever since IMHO. No sales worth a damn, and no labels continually making a living at it anywhere (Cleo/PP, Delerium, and Griffin all fading from where they were four years ago), but it manages to survive somehow. The internet probably responsible as much as anything else. Surely, my thoughts aren't unique?! Let's enjoy it while it lasts... Keith H. (FAA) From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Tue Mar 7 21:17:44 2000 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:17:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: UndreGround Zero In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i have ben waiting since 01/98 for the multimedia version of 'From Year Zer? has any one heard anything about the release date????? From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 7 22:45:36 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:45:36 +1100 Subject: NIK: the LA show Message-ID: At 08:12 AM 3/7/00 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >In message , >Andy Gilham writes >>I get around??? :) > >Love's "Seven and Seven Is". Through I preferred Alice Cooper's cover. > >Won't make much sense if you don't know the song. "My Bible's in the fireplace, and my dog lies hyptnotized" Probably won't make much sense even if you do :/ I always liked that line though. (sorry, have no idea what the context of this was) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 7 22:50:19 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:50:19 +1100 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: At 08:52 PM 3/7/00 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Alex remarked... > >>>dunno what else. Overall, '99 was a bit disappointing. >> >>Which year of the 90's wasn't ? :-o > >Surely this is a joke, right? > >I thought '99 produced a great number of really good albums, if you searched >long and hard enough. And the 90s have been spectacular, at least in >comparison to the absolutely dismal 80s. I couldn't agree more. >Although I would prefer to divide recent rock history into decades landing >on the 8's, i.e., 1968-77 (brilliant), 1978-87 (abysmal), I'd bring the front end of that period forward a bit. I think the late 70's was a fantastic, exciting period. I don't think the rot set in till after 1980, with 81-84 as the absolute nadir. There were stirrings of recovery by then, I think. I also think this time coincides with the point atwhich the Americans grabbed the momentum back after nearly 20 years of British dominance. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 00:38:25 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:38:25 +1100 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles question Message-ID: I wonder if anyone could cast some light on something for me. I have a set of 5 posters by Barney Bubbles, which, according to Trev Hughes back when I got them, were part of a limited edition of 500 released in 1972, and having to do the DOREMI album release. Does anyone know precisely in what way they corresponded with the release of Doremi? I know the album originally had a poster with it, but surely it can't be these. They are five quite large prints, which couldn't possibly be packaged with an LP. Just in case there's any confusion, they're b/w posters, each of which are marked 'Barney Bubbles/Hawkwind', and which depict various fantasy scenes such as Dinosaurs grazing around an Atlantean temples while UFO's fly overhead, and a naked woman riding a Wyvern and so on. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Mar 8 01:04:57 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:04:57 +0100 Subject: HW:Bedouin Message-ID: Hello Folks, Just had a letter in from Alan Davey with his tour dates for Bedouin and Ace Of Spades.He also has a new T-Shirt for ? ?14.Should I post the dates? Best Wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"<>" 0219am est From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 8 03:22:36 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:22:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <002d01bf88c4$514c84c0$4aa508d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: I think we've already got them, and they're on www.hawkwind.com too - but if there's any differences do post them! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Filip Vanhuyse Sent: 08 March 2000 06:05 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW:Bedouin Hello Folks, Just had a letter in from Alan Davey with his tour dates for Bedouin and Ace Of Spades.He also has a new T-Shirt for ? ?14.Should I post the dates? Best Wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 8 03:37:59 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 03:37:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: >I thought '99 produced a great number of really good albums, if you searched >long and hard enough. And the 90s have been spectacular, at least in >comparison to the absolutely dismal 80s. Well, I grew up in the 80's, so perhaps that had somewhat of an influence on me. I do tend to prefer music from the 70's, though (I'm a huge progrock fan), but I still have a soft spot for most 80's pop. I mean, c'mon, it was a lot more catchy and melodious then anything (I'm talking mainstream here) from the 90's. I'll take new wave over house or techno, anytime. Cyndi Lauper over Britney Spears (yuck !). Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys (*feels sick at the mention of BB*). The 90's have struck me as particularly bland and tasteless (again, I'm talking mainstream). Obviously, if you go digging underground, you're gonna find some pearls. All decades have them. I just think they were buried deeper in the 90's. >(Who would waste their time wondering if Culture Club was better or worse >than Matchbox 20?) Well, I'm not a fan of either, but I do think CC is more interesting, musically speaking, but oh well... :-) Maybe it's just nostalgia. >Surely, my thoughts aren't unique?! Likely not. I even share some of them - though I do disagree about the 80's :-) Also (and I wonder if anyone else has noticed this) it seems to me that the 90's were a lot more darker. Like the singers and bands out there were more depressed or something. The 80's were more joyful, cheerful. It shows in the videos too. Nowadays, all the videos are really dark and gloomy, at least the vast majority. Anyway. Just my two cents :-) Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 04:11:43 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:11:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: At 03:37 AM 3/8/00 -0500, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > I'll take new wave over house or techno, anytime. Me too, but I think 'New Wave' was a late 70's phenomenon; sort of the first metamorphosis of punk - which just managed to limp on a bit into the 80's because no-one could think of anything else to call it. I mean I remember people calling bands 'new wave' in 1983, 7 years after the term was coined in relation to punk (how, for instance, Orchestral Manouveres in the Dark could be thought to have anything in common with The Jam is totally beyond me, but they were both called 'new wave' at one point or another) > Cyndi >Lauper over Britney Spears (yuck !). Well yeah, and I'd probably take botulism over anthrax, but it doesn't mean I'd contract either of them for fun ;) >Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys I cringe to think what Backstreet Boys must be like (sorry, I could never see whatever it was that other people managed to see in DD) Y'know, I think the time that I realised I was really totally lost in regards to popular 80's music, was the year that NME voted Simple Minds best band of the year, and Human League worst band of the year, and I couldn't really tell the difference between them :) The _really_ bizarre thing is that nowadays it's _me_ that listens to new music, and all these 18 year-olds I know are listening to King Crimson and Yes. Postmodernism takes some getting used to, especially for someone who basically grew up with punk, at a time when everyone thought that anything recorded more than three weeks ago was prehistoric rubbish. Anyone who was a Hawkwind fan at the time will know what I mean. I still can't quite get used to them having good press and being 'ok to like' in the 90's :) But nowadays anything is OK to like. The Bay City Rollers are ok to like. Stalin, Pol Pot, Bobby Golsdboro - you name it! (being new to the list, I hope this wasn't too far off-topic) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 8 04:14:19 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:14:19 +0000 Subject: You never write, you never call In-Reply-To: <200003071528.PAA17828@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <200003071528.PAA17828 at aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >Dark Star spring to mind. > > >Tim playing the Scala tomorrow BTW. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Mar 8 05:34:47 2000 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:34:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > I mean I remember > people calling bands 'new wave' in 1983, 7 years after the term was coined > in relation to punk (how, for instance, Orchestral Manouveres in the Dark > could be thought to have anything in common with The Jam is totally beyond > me, but they were both called 'new wave' at one point or another) I think in the 80s, the term "New Wave" just came to be another expression for pop. A little creative blurring of the lines for increased marketing possibilities. You see that a lot today. Everything is a "crossover" song, because there's more money in that. As far as the 80s vs. the 90s in terms of rock and roll, I think the 90s wins hands down. Rock and roll was watered down pop in the 80s for the most part. I still think grunge is about the ugliest style of rock I've ever heard, but there's some new rock out there that I can really dig. Another thing that makes the 90s better -- I think most of the 70s bands floundered in the 80s, trying to kneel before the altar of MTV. But in the 90s, they kind of re-discovered their roots. I think bands like BOC, Yes, Uriah Heep and many others have gone a long way toward recapturing the fire they left behind in the 80s. I think the Internet had a lot to do with it, thanks to lists like this, chat groups and fan pages that give bands a direct indication of who's gonna buy their records and what they want to hear. Of course, that could be a good thing AND a bad thing. Bad in that artists could conceivably limit or change their vision to meet the expectation of fans, rather than truly expressing themselves. Take BOC for instance. Most fans I know of thought HF was a damn fine effort. Nothing stellar, but definitely good stuff. And even though I enjoyed it, if their new album is not significantly different, I'm gonna be a little bit pissed and quite a bit disappointed. Because the thing that hooked me on BOC was not a particular sound so much as a particular vision. They're not a band I ever looked to to rehash the same material from album to album. God created AC/DC for that. -- Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 8 11:02:23 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Alex gets off the point with... >>I thought '99 produced a great number of really good albums, if you searched >>long and hard enough. And the 90s have been spectacular, at least in >>comparison to the absolutely dismal 80s. > >Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys >(*feels sick at the mention of BB*). The 90's have struck me as particularly >bland and tasteless (again, I'm talking mainstream). I was never talking mainstream, and never will I again here (except perhaps to criticize it mercilessly), and I *thought* I made that clear, as below. >>(Who would waste their time wondering if Culture Club was better or worse >>than Matchbox 20?) BTW, FWIW, I have said here before that I thought Duran Duran was the worst band I'd ever heard. (I'm sure there are worse that I've never heard.) And amazingly, took heat for it! >Obviously, if you go digging underground, you're gonna find some pearls. All >decades have them. I just think they were buried deeper in the 90's. That's ok. But I only found five in the 80s, and hundreds in the 90s. >>Surely, my thoughts aren't unique?! > >Likely not. I even share some of them - though I do disagree about the 80's :-) Disagree? How? We're not talking about the same thing. 'New wave' and 'hair metal' vs. 'alterna-hipsters' and 'girl power/boy bands' is totally irrelevant (to me). All of it is vile, so what? The question is...beyond this rubbish, is there anything to listen to? In the 80s, hardly (that's why I listened to (some) metal)...in the 90s, absolutely! >Also (and I wonder if anyone else has noticed this) it seems to me that the >90's were a lot more darker. Like the singers and bands out there were more >depressed or something. The 80's were more joyful, cheerful. It shows in the >videos too. Nowadays, all the videos are really dark and gloomy, at least >the vast majority. Videos? I haven't seen a video since Mark Goodman (probably DD's "Rio"). :) Now I understand where you're coming from. :) Keith H. (FAA), revisionist youth at 35 (owns no CDs recorded before my birth, except maybe 1...B.B. King) From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 11:09:20 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:09:20 +1100 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Forgive me if I'm making mistakes with the subject line protocol here, but my response to this seemed to belong more to 'boc' than 'off'. At 10:34 AM 3/8/00 +0000, Nick English wrote: >Another thing that makes the 90s better -- I think most of the 70s >bands floundered in the 80s, trying to kneel before the altar of MTV. >But in the 90s, they kind of re-discovered their roots. I think bands like >BOC, Yes, Uriah Heep and many others have gone a long way toward >recapturing the fire they left behind in the 80s. I have to admit I haven't heard BOC's last studio album. The cover scared me off. It was better than it looked? I guess it depends on which period BOC you like. From my limited observations, which will probably turn out to be totally unfounded now that I'm actually on a BOC mailing list, people tend to prefer either their 80's sci-fi/biker type stuff, or their early, hard-edged, surreal stuff. Personally I love the first three albums, and adore Imaginos, and find the 'Fire of Unknown Origin' type stuff pretty bland. I think I just liked Pearlman's lyrics. and I just loved getting lost in his bizarre settings and rantings about telescopes and huskies and shrubs and whatnot. I always considered Pearlman a genius, and it seemed that mostly when he was involved, the music really fired, too. The Albert Bouchard/Sandy Pearlman combination was the real essence of BOC to me, though I remember reading an interview where AB expressed some disdain for those early albums. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 8 10:20:05 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:20:05 EDT Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003081542.KAA21437@cobalt.netphd.net> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 00, at 10:34, Nick English wrote: > Another thing that makes the 90s better -- I think most of the 70s > bands floundered in the 80s, trying to kneel before the altar of MTV. > But in the 90s, they kind of re-discovered their roots. I think bands > like BOC, Yes, Uriah Heep and many others have gone a long way toward > recapturing the fire they left behind in the 80s. I think the Internet > had a lot to do with it, thanks to lists like this, chat groups and > fan pages that give bands a direct indication of who's gonna buy their > records and what they want to hear. Yep, no doubt about it. Too, I think the older bands have figured out where their niche markets are and work them hard. And, along with that, they have become wiser in the art of touring--tours and gigs are managed better, and the bands have fine-tuned their bottom lines as it were...And, of course, as wheezers like me age, I think we tend to wax nostalgic. The boomers are now more aware of their mortality, and they're getting out to gigs more...As for lists like this helping business, it's definitely true in my case. There have been lots of BOC gigs that were never mentioned in my local paper that were relatively close by, and that I found out about through the 'net... > > Of course, that could be a good thing AND a bad thing. Bad in that > artists could conceivably limit or change their vision to meet the > expectation of fans, rather than truly expressing themselves. > Maybe, but I think that bands that have been around for 20 years and more probably are going to stick to their guns, or have already sussed out where their fans' head are at... > Take BOC for instance. Most fans I know of thought HF was a damn fine > effort. Nothing stellar, but definitely good stuff. And even though I > enjoyed it, if their new album is not significantly different, I'm > gonna be a little bit pissed and quite a bit disappointed. Because the > thing that hooked me on BOC was not a particular sound so much as a > particular vision. They're not a band I ever looked to to rehash the > same material from album to album. God created AC/DC for that. > Howls! But remember that a big part of that vision was due to Al and Pearlman and Meltzer. BOC's definitely in a different vein now. I do hope that they continue to experiment--that was something they were always known for back then... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 8 10:25:14 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:25:14 EDT Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003081557.KAA24943@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 00, at 11:02, K Henderson wrote: > Keith H. (FAA), revisionist youth at 35 (owns no CDs recorded before > my birth, except maybe 1...B.B. King) Well, I know you're just a young whelp, but I believe the CD wasn't invented till you were, what, 15? theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 8 11:41:26 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:41:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Theo said... >> Keith H. (FAA), revisionist youth at 35 (owns no CDs recorded before >> my birth, except maybe 1...B.B. King) > >Well, I know you're just a young whelp, but I believe the CD wasn't >invented till you were, what, 15? Wow, I didn't realise 35 was so young here. :) Anyway, I said 'recorded,' not manufactured. I coulda said the same thing about my 500 old LPs too, though, except I'm sure I have a Doc Severinsen LP from the 50s. And I don't know when the CD was 'invented,' but there's no way people were routinely buying them in stores in 1979! Perhaps 1985. My first was 1987, Stevie Ray Vaughan IIRC. Keith H. (FAA) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 8 11:50:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:50:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <20000308091141.OOMZ16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: => >Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys => => I cringe to think what Backstreet Boys must be like (sorry, I could never => see whatever it was that other people managed to see in DD) Yeah, but at least Duran Duran can claim to have produced a Zappa alumnus... Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, 12/31/99 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Wed Mar 8 11:58:37 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:58:37 -0600 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just think: the innocuousness that we now--perhaps nostalgically, perhaps not--assign to Duran Duran will probably be assigned to the Backstreet Boys ten years from hence. Just think of the utterly new high in banal low that ten years' worth of increased corporate marketing prowess could produce. The DDs and BBs will be nothing in comparison. prognistically, thomas On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > > => >Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys > => > => I cringe to think what Backstreet Boys must be like (sorry, I could never > => see whatever it was that other people managed to see in DD) > > Yeah, but at least Duran Duran can claim to have produced a Zappa > alumnus... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Gov't Mule, 12/31/99 > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 12:44:33 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:44:33 +1100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: I just forced myself to sit through a very humbling and cringe-making experience; a bout with the 21-year-old me and my big mouth. Back in 1984/85, I co-edited 3 issues of a zine called the Hawkwind Bazooka, with a guy in Holland. It was a really strange concept; partly written in Tasmania, sent to Holland, stapled together there with new bits added (often without my knowing what they were going to be - which was really tremendous when the bloke in Holland took it into his head to publish a private letter I'd sent him in which I admitted to taking various drugs, while at the same time discussing the draconian new Tasmanian drug laws). Anyway it was, in my view at the time, a load of rubbish, but apparently it circulatd around and people read it. But I've just read it for the first time in nearly 15 years, and the things I wrote in it - eek! :( I was speculating as to why I might have dropped out of circulation around 1985, and mentioned that I was a bit disappointed in the quality of the HW releases in the early to mid 80's. Apparently I must have been more than a bit disappointed. The 3rd edition of this zine starts with an editorial lambaste of Flicknife, in which I call Friends and Relations 2 "a disaster", Zones a thrown-together, opportunistic, mish-mash, and stated that Flicknife had a cheek charging full-price for something as abysmally recorded as the live Huw-Lloyd Langton group album. Then this Dutch guy takes up the theme, with even less restraint or diplomacy, accusing Flicknife of being rip-off merchants. Then to cap it off, an article by Ande Tucker, where he calls Flicknife "Flickshit", and describes their releases as 'crap'. That appears to have been the bomb I set off under myself to mark my departure from the Hawkwind fold. In retrospect, whereas I still can't admit to being any fonder of Zones and Friends and Relations 2, I think I might have been a bit more supportive of the band. 15 years down the track I confess myself in awe of Brock's ability to keep the thing rolling, and hope the hawkwind crowd of the time can forgive that younger me for his total lack of appreciation of the trials and tribulations of keeping a rock band on the road through lost record deals, personal tragedies and god knows what else. It's a shame I wasn't around to congratulate them on their return to vinyl form over the following 5 years, but would anyone have wanted my opinion anyway, after that outburst? Ah well. At least I didn't get sued by Frenchy. Geez, me and my big mouth :( If anyone still has any of those things, would you burn them? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 8 12:43:59 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:43:59 EST Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/00 11:03:42 AM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << revisionist youth at 35 >> = lololol looking for a place to jump in here, maybe.... at least-at least and nothing more...duran duran was a _band_ what had to play their equipment, click trax notwithstanding, but the BB sing along w/finished 'product', ready and waiting for them. i think that's a measurable distinction these days. with the current wave of young girl singers and teeny pop, i am reminded of the early '60s...post-the first wave of rock n' roll, pre-beach boys/ BEATLES... == but, but, mr henderson, how can you sh*tcan the first few years of the "british invasion"? i was surprised.... not even the "revolver" lp? that neither? if naught else? wow.... leslie gore was cool! heh... "<>" at 42, grumpy and barely listening at all....... From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 8 12:56:54 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:56:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: => Just think: the innocuousness that we now--perhaps nostalgically, perhaps => not--assign to Duran Duran will probably be assigned to the Backstreet => Boys ten years from hence. Just think of the utterly new high in banal low => that ten years' worth of increased corporate marketing prowess could => produce. The DDs and BBs will be nothing in comparison. But if you didn't have the lows, how could you appreciate the highs? :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Sweden 1969 (1) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Mar 8 12:58:02 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:58:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? In-Reply-To: <20000308174430.POUT16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: >Back in 1984/85, I co-edited 3 issues of a zine called the Hawkwind Bazooka, >with a guy in Holland. It was a really strange concept; partly written in >Tasmania, sent to Holland, stapled together there with new bits added (often >without my knowing what they were going to be - which was really tremendous >when the bloke in Holland took it into his head to publish a private letter >I'd sent him in which I admitted to taking various drugs, while at the same >time discussing the draconian new Tasmanian drug laws). Anyway it was, in my >view at the time, a load of rubbish, but apparently it circulatd around and >people read it. But I've just read it for the first time in nearly 15 years, >and the things I wrote in it - eek! :( > >I was speculating as to why I might have dropped out of circulation around >1985, and mentioned that I was a bit disappointed in the quality of the HW >releases in the early to mid 80's. Apparently I must have been more than a >bit disappointed. The 3rd edition of this zine starts with an editorial >lambaste of Flicknife, in which I call Friends and Relations 2 "a disaster", >Zones a thrown-together, opportunistic, mish-mash, and stated that Flicknife >had a cheek charging full-price for something as abysmally recorded as the >live Huw-Lloyd Langton group album. Then this Dutch guy takes up the theme, >with even less restraint or diplomacy, accusing Flicknife of being rip-off >merchants. Then to cap it off, an article by Ande Tucker, where he calls >Flicknife "Flickshit", and describes their releases as 'crap'. That appears >to have been the bomb I set off under myself to mark my departure from the >Hawkwind fold. In retrospect, whereas I still can't admit to being any >fonder of Zones and Friends and Relations 2, I think I might have been a bit >more supportive of the band. 15 years down the track I confess myself in awe >of Brock's ability to keep the thing rolling, and hope the hawkwind crowd >of the time can forgive that younger me for his total lack of appreciation >of the trials and tribulations of keeping a rock band on the road through >lost record deals, personal tragedies and god knows what else. It's a >shame I wasn't around to congratulate them on their return to vinyl form >over the following 5 years, but would anyone have wanted my opinion anyway, >after that outburst? Ah well. At least I didn't get sued by Frenchy. Geez, >me and my big mouth :( If anyone still has any of those things, would you >burn them? hey man still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. met these guy twice, a very strange bloke but he introcuded me personally to nik turner etc. and he did give me reel tapes from mike moorcock never published demo's. i still have those so i must dig them out to listen again to. lost contact with him as i heard he turned out almost blind. regards andre From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 8 12:08:34 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:08:34 EDT Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003081642.LAA27396@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 00, at 11:41, K Henderson wrote: > > Wow, I didn't realise 35 was so young here. :) > It isn't! It's only young compared to me! > Anyway, I said 'recorded,' not manufactured. And just what would we call the process by which sound is imparted onto a CD? I coulda said the same > thing about my 500 old LPs too, though, except I'm sure I have a Doc > Severinsen LP from the 50s. > > And I don't know when the CD was 'invented,' but there's no way people > were routinely buying them in stores in 1979! Well, I think they were touting 1979 as the year of the format's origin, but obviously they didn't become commonplace til much later... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 8 13:13:36 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:13:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003081809.NAA05679@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: => > Anyway, I said 'recorded,' not manufactured. => => And just what would we call the process by which sound is imparted => onto a CD? "Pressing," or, in a more abstract sense, "mastering." Cheers, Paul. NP: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Sweden 1969 (2) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 8 13:28:10 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:28:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >lololol just wondering, is this "laughing out loud out loud out loud" or "laughing out laughing out laughing out loud"? -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 8 13:33:07 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:33:07 EST Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/00 1:31:06 PM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << just wondering, is this "laughing out loud out loud out loud" or "laughing out laughing out laughing out loud"? >> no idea, comrade... "streaming chortles", or sumpin'... "<>" From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 13:50:30 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:50:30 +1100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: At 06:58 PM 3/8/00 +0100, cosmos wrote: >hey man >still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. >met these guy twice, a very strange bloke but he introcuded me personally >to nik turner >etc. and he did give me reel tapes from mike moorcock never published demo's. Ah, yes. Those would probably be the demos Mike Moorcock gave me, and which I ill-advisedly copied for RB on the condition that he never duplicate them for anyone. Another of my big regrets. If those things ever turn up on a bootleg I might shoot myself. Are these the demos from Gloriana/Entropy Tango, you're talking about? God, I hated myself for that. >i still have those so i must dig them out to listen again to. >lost contact with him as i heard he turned out almost blind. I don't want to go into this, except to say that sometime around the period we were discussing, this person wrote something to me which effectively terminated our friendship on the spot. And that's not easy to do. I don't think anyone else has ever managed it. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 14:08:22 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:08:22 +1100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: At 06:58 PM 3/8/00 +0100, cosmos wrote: >hey man >still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. Actually - maybe you can find this thing. I couldn't. There was justone thing I remember writing, which I was kinda happy with at the time. It was a satire on some imagined Butterknife Records release from 20 years in the future, called 'Friends and Relations Vol. 63' or something like that, and it had this list of songs by artists totally unrelated to Hawkwind, like Rolf Harris or Perry Como, accompanied by these ridiculously complicated, tortuous attempts to draw some connection between them. Like (I'm making this up, it wasn't in the original) Henry Mancini - Moon River Mancini's 'Moon River comes from his score for the movie 'Breakfast at Tiffanys', which starred Audrey Hepburn. Hepburn also starred in the original version of 'Sabrina', which was recently re-made, with Harrison Ford. Ford has the same last name as the first name of Ford Prefect from Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which was written by Douglas Adams, who also wrote some episodes of Dr Who, which first screened on the same day that John Kennedy was assassinated, and as we know, Dave Brock includes recordings of the Oswald murder on the 'Church of Hawkwind' album. That sort of thing :) Try it - it's fun! The one I was particularly pleased with was the one which attempted to draw a connection between Motorhead's 'Ace of Spades' and Hawkwind, not via the fact the Lemmy used to be in Hawkwind, but by some unimaginably long-winded and ludicrous argument that roped in everyone from Buddy Holly to Copernicus. However, I couldn't find the thing in those zines, though I do remember someone telling me they enjoyed it. I wonder if I just sent it out to a couple of friends, rather than putting it in the zine. Anyway, maybe it's time for a new one... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 8 14:09:11 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:09:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: >Just think: the innocuousness that we now--perhaps nostalgically, perhaps >not--assign to Duran Duran will probably be assigned to the Backstreet >Boys ten years from hence. Just think of the utterly new high in banal low >that ten years' worth of increased corporate marketing prowess could >produce. The DDs and BBs will be nothing in comparison. I know *shudder* Scary thought... Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Wed Mar 8 14:09:13 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:09:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: >Alex gets off the point with... Not really. More like getting back on track. When I made that comment about the 90's, that's what I was referring to : mainstream. Why ? Because that's what you hear everywhere, when you turn on your TV or your radio. So basically what I'm saying is that (to me anyway, since obviously you don't think the same way :-) that the music you heard all over in the 80's was much more interesting than what you hear now all over. >>Obviously, if you go digging underground, you're gonna find some pearls. All >>decades have them. I just think they were buried deeper in the 90's. > >That's ok. But I only found five in the 80s, and hundreds in the 90s. Cool for you, man. I've found tons of bands nobody's ever heard of in the 80's. A lot less in the 90's. >The question is...beyond >this rubbish, is there anything to listen to? In the 80s, hardly (that's >why I listened to (some) metal)...in the 90s, absolutely! That's a matter of opinion. >Videos? I haven't seen a video since Mark Goodman (probably DD's "Rio"). >:) Now I understand where you're coming from. :) I'm not sure you do. Though I grew up in the 80's, I was living in France, and we didn't have MTV there. They did show videos occasionally, here and there, and they did fascinate me, but I wasn't "raised" on them as many were here in the States. I was mostly listening to the radio. And yes, being young and all back then, I was mostly exposed to mainstream stuff (my love for prog and 70's rock in general would only come much later). I didn't like everything, but I did think most of it was pretty damn cool. Basically, there'd be 1 or 2 songs out of 10 that I wouldn't like. These days, when I listen to the radio it's the other way around : 1 or 2 songs out of 10 are good. The rest makes me cringe. Though I do now tend to listen to rock stations, so it's not so bad - but in France we don't really have specialized radio stations like that, so it was harder to avoid the crappy stuff. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 14:12:12 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:12:12 +1100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: At 06:58 PM 3/8/00 +0100, cosmos wrote: I meant to ask you - if you've had some contact with Dutch Hawkfans, did you/do you know/of (or does anyone know of) a guy named Eddy Hogers. We were really close friends, and I would love to make contact with him again if he's still around. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 8 14:22:19 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:22:19 -0000 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003081909.OAA12210@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: > Not really. More like getting back on track. When I made that > comment about > the 90's, that's what I was referring to : mainstream. Why ? > Because that's > what you hear everywhere, when you turn on your TV or your radio. What is this mainstream? I hear r'n'b, pop, stadium rock, big beat, easy, dance, and lots of other stuff. I don't believe there's such a thing as mainstream. -- Andy ObCD: Pat DiNizio - _Songs and Sounds_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 8 14:24:51 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:24:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Silly, ludicroix ideas reposted... ><< revisionist youth at 35 >> >= >lololol > >looking for a place to jump in here, maybe.... > >at least-at least and nothing more...duran duran was a _band_ what had to >play their equipment, click trax notwithstanding, but the BB sing along >w/finished 'product', ready and waiting for them. i think that's a measurable >distinction these days. Actually, that's one of the reasons I loathe Duran Duran even more. Crap like BB don't even register as 'music' or 'a band' to me. I don't consider them musicians at all, just 'entertainers.' DD, on the other hand, *was* a band with (presumably) some playing talent and enough musical knowledge to write songs and such. And then they went and wrote such horrific music, and performed it in such an insipid manner...gaak! In other words, BB have an excuse, what's DD's? >but, but, mr henderson, how can you sh*tcan the first few years of the >"british invasion"? i was surprised.... >not even the "revolver" lp? that neither? if naught else? wow.... Oh, I bought that last year (Chr. demanded that I get it), the only Beatles album I've ever owned...just put it on now. You know, I have always known *most* of these songs (I *do* remember my bros' old 45s of Beatles tunes...I generally ignored them in favour of 'Iron Man', 'Foggy Mental Breakdown' and 'Mary Long'). But I will admit I never heard 'Tomorrow Never Knows' until 1998 Strange Daze when Kid From Cleveland played it. And then shortly thereafter, I picked up Laughing Sky's 'Free Inside,' which also had a cover of that tune. I do really like that song, though I was a little disappointed in the Beatles' version in comparison. But then, of course, that's 30+ year hindsight, and so I give MacLen credit for that tune. But really, the remainder of 'Revolver' is of no interest to me. I really dislike the bubble-gummy harmony style of singing (in *almost* every case) - that's why I cringe at some of PT's Stupid Dream (good songs, but horrible choruses in some cases). OK, I do think some contemporary material is decent enough, like Hendrix (well, certainly better than 'decent'), 60s Who, Yardbirds, Cream, San Fran bands, even a couple Zombies and Hollies tunes are bearable. So I have a few compilations of these bands, but then I don't listen to them very often...classic rock radio plays them incessantly, and I've already hit saturation level with all of them. But for me, all this stuff pales ('cept maybe Hendrix) in comparison to what began in 1969. I see a rough dividing line between everything *before* the opening note of "Good Times, Bad Times" and after. And this fat line stops with the closing note of Black Sabbath's first about a year-and-a-half (?) later. (And for our purposes, continues all the way to the end of ISoS.) >leslie gore was cool! I don't even know who that is. Al's mother? And who the hell is Nick Drake? I see that name all the time now, and 18 months ago, I swear I'd never seen it before. (Usually in conjunction with Beach Boys' Pet Sounds, an album I have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of....and I hope I never have to hear it!) :) Keith H. (FAA), Revisionist Guru (Guru) P.S. Who wants to defend the Ohio Express now? :) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 8 14:46:12 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:46:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: Tassie Tim wrote... >At 06:58 PM 3/8/00 +0100, cosmos wrote: > >>hey man >>still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. >>met these guy twice, a very strange bloke but he introcuded me personally >>to nik turner >>etc. and he did give me reel tapes from mike moorcock never published demo's. > >Ah, yes. Those would probably be the demos Mike Moorcock gave me, and which >I ill-advisedly copied for RB on the condition that he never duplicate them >for anyone. Another of my big regrets. If those things ever turn up on a >bootleg I might shoot myself. Are these the demos from Gloriana/Entropy >Tango, you're talking about? God, I hated myself for that. Are these the same demos that have recently appeared on CD-R in Scandinavia and are now spreading 'cross the US via boc-l just now? Discard yer ammo now! :) Keith H. (FAA) From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 8 14:51:29 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:51:29 +1100 Subject: HW: Radio Days, etc Message-ID: At 05:50 AM 3/9/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: Another of my big regrets. If those things ever turn up on a >bootleg I might shoot myself. Are these the demos from Gloriana/Entropy >Tango, you're talking about? God, I hated myself for that. Just in case you took that the wrong way, that wasn't meant to imply that I thought _you_ would bootleg them; just that I have no idea how many copies were distributed of it once it left my hands. In fact Moorcock had sent them to me for possible inclusion in a radio special I was going to produce about his music, so I suppose he had no qualms about people actually getting to hear that stuff; it's just that I never asked him at the time if I could run off a copy for someone, and without that permission, I shouldn;t have done. The show ended up not happening, because just after the tapes arrived I ended up breaking off with the station I was with, and taking a 3 to 4 year break from radio (for the record, Zooks! resumed in 86, and continued from then up till last year.) Nik Turner also sent me some stuff for a program around that time, which also didn't get made, for the same reasons, and which I also felt shitty about. (in fact there were possibly other reasons why that one might have been hard to produce anyway. Imagine, if you will, a 90 minute tape made by Nik, on this premise: "I started off like it's my radio show and I'm interviewing you, with me as me and then as your alter ego Tim Zooks, and interviewing myself in the form of my saxaphone." This was not the sort of thing you could conviently edit around pieces of music :) And I wasn't entirely sure what to do with my part of the thing, when according to Nik I was crawling around on the ceiling most of the time. That's if it was me he was talking about. I couldn't really figure it out. Maybe one day I should just set it running and improvise along to it :/ Brock sent me a tape - this was all around the same time, but I feel a bit less bad about not using that, since an interview recorded on a portable cassette player, in a car, whilst overtaking lorries on the way to a gig, was of a sound quality such that even I thought it was too rough to air. Plus he said something entirely unbroadcastable about Paul Rudolph on it :) The one thing which I did get done before all of this happened, was the Bob Calvert special. Personally I can't bear to listen to my godawful 18 or 19 year-old voice prattling on, so I haven't listened to it in a decade or more, but I'm just glad I managed to get done what I suppose might have been the only major-length audio documentary about Calvert done in his lifetime. I'm sure he must have been horribly disappointed with it when he heard it; probably had imagined I was some sort of professional rather than an audacious teenager with access to a couple of old Revox's. Sorry, don't know where that all spilled out from. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Mar 8 15:27:43 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:27:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? In-Reply-To: <20000308191212.OSAY18963.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: >I meant to ask you - if you've had some contact with Dutch Hawkfans, did >you/do you know/of (or does anyone know of) a guy named Eddy Hogers. We were >really close friends, and I would love to make contact with him again if >he's still around. >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania oh my dear !!! those old old times. i used to correspond with him and also traded maybe 500 livetapes with him. we even met a couple of times. our friendship ended with an argument about twice used tapes or something like that. i don't know for sure anymore as it's maybe 15 years ago. i always thought rob, eddie and me were the only dutch fanatic hw fans. so i don't know about him or where he lives. i do remember we met in his hometown with a couple of german hw fans. one guy his first name is rainer. see him sometimes during hw gigs here in holland. he may remember me too as he still greets me. tim, now i can remember seeing your name in this fanzines and indeed rob told me about you. i met him before the 84 milky way gigs in amsterdam. but i have been collecting hw stuff since 1976 and have piles of correspondence, tapes, fanzines, musicpapers etc etc. when i ever find the time and scan lots of those rarities. one of my best friends has almost all of their vinyl output complete. he has about 45 different silver machine sleeves/pressings. we have sometime plans to publish his and my hawkwind collection on line so anyone can see those rare sleeves. tim, anyway nice to see you back on the hawkind front. regards andre From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Wed Mar 8 16:29:54 2000 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:29:54 +0200 Subject: HW:Tim Blake Message-ID: Just received this mail from Tim Blake ; he is constructing his own site by now Olivier ///Je sera reconnaisant que vous mettez ce link sur vos pages "HAWKWIND" /// /// ///Merci d'avance! ///-- ///Tim Blake -_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/- Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr -_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/- - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Mar 8 15:33:47 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:33:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Radio Days, etc In-Reply-To: <20000308195126.PUKH16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: > Another of my big regrets. If those things ever turn up on a > >bootleg I might shoot myself. Are these the demos from Gloriana/Entropy > >Tango, you're talking about? God, I hated myself for that. > >Just in case you took that the wrong way, that wasn't meant to imply that I >thought _you_ would bootleg them; just that I have no idea how many copies >were distributed of it once it left my hands. In fact Moorcock had sent them >to me for possible inclusion in a radio special I was going to produce about >his music, so I suppose he had no qualms about people actually getting to >hear that stuff; it's just that I never asked him at the time if I could run >off a copy for someone, and without that permission, I shouldn;t have done. >The show ended up not happening, because just after the tapes arrived I >ended up breaking off with the station I was with, and taking a 3 to 4 year >break from radio (for the record, Zooks! resumed in 86, and continued from >then up till last year.) Nik Turner also sent me some stuff for a program >around that time, which also didn't get made, for the same reasons, and >which I also felt shitty about. (in fact there were possibly other reasons >why that one might have been hard to produce anyway. Imagine, if you will, a >90 minute tape made by Nik, on this premise: > >"I started off like it's my radio show and I'm interviewing you, with me as >me and then as your alter ego Tim Zooks, and interviewing myself in the form >of my saxaphone." > >This was not the sort of thing you could conviently edit around pieces of >music :) And I wasn't entirely sure what to do with my part of the thing, >when according to Nik I was crawling around on the ceiling most of the time. >That's if it was me he was talking about. I couldn't really figure it out. >Maybe one day I should just set it running and improvise along to it :/ > >Brock sent me a tape - this was all around the same time, but I feel a bit >less bad about not using that, since an interview recorded on a portable >cassette player, in a car, whilst overtaking lorries on the way to a gig, >was of a sound quality such that even I thought it was too rough to air. >Plus he said something entirely unbroadcastable about Paul Rudolph on it :) > >The one thing which I did get done before all of this happened, was the Bob >Calvert special. Personally I can't bear to listen to my godawful 18 or 19 >year-old voice prattling on, so I haven't listened to it in a decade or >more, but I'm just glad I managed to get done what I suppose might have been >the only major-length audio documentary about Calvert done in his lifetime. >I'm sure he must have been horribly disappointed with it when he heard it; >probably had imagined I was some sort of professional rather than an >audacious teenager with access to a couple of old Revox's. > >Sorry, don't know where that all spilled out from. hey tim i got a few of your radio shows zook and the jingles of them. and i always liked the calvert show you did then. well about the moorcock tapes; i know about 5 other people who have these too. so i don't know if they are already bootlegged or not. and i must say i kept my promise not to duplicate or list them !!! regards andre From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 8 15:54:48 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:54:48 EST Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/00 2:38:08 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << P.S. Who wants to defend the Ohio Express now? :) >> === oh, pshaw. i werent _defendin'_ duran duran; i made the distinction twixt their involvement in their 'product' as opposed to the backstreet boys (whom i could never identify on the radio) oh yeah, like what you said..."entertainers"... like 1960 and1950 ==== top 40, as us older types once knew it, is long, long gone. there's a billboard chart (duh), but in the states, mr. gilham sir, radio's been _compartmentalized_, somethin' fierce.....but later for that. and leslie gore is _still_ cool pray for a good harvest "<>" **************************************************** Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 8 23:33:29 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:33:29 -0800 Subject: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: >Obviously, if you go digging underground, you're gonna find some pearls. All >decades have them. I just think they were buried deeper in the 90's. No way, Jose - the real gems were buried way deeper in the '80's than ever they were in the '90's. Christ - here in the UK, a group of us began the yearly 'UK Electronica' festivals that ran right through the '80's and we put on the cream of obscure UK synth music, but I hijacked the non-synth side of things to feature Jasun Martz and the weirdest Hawkwind gig ever in '83, the first concert from the guitar-led Ash Ra in the UK since '75, in '85, a classic O Yuki Conjugate gig in '87 and late-lamented progsters Tamarisk somewher in there too - we even had the space-rock band Big Amongst Sheep playing outside of a venue in Sheffield in a car park using their own generator!! The '80's were more extreme than the '90's - the pop was either great or pathetic, the metal mostly average and the underground buried so deep you had to have a degree in archaeology to find it - but it was there and, given time, I could give you a list of easily 100 great groups of the '80's - good music is always around - you've just got to know where it is and how to find it. Andy G.(Dead Earnest) From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Wed Mar 8 20:28:57 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:28:57 +1100 Subject: HW: Greetings Message-ID: Gidday Tim, Glad to see another Aussie on boc-l (and good to see you have email again!) Sonique From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 8 08:17:50 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:17:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkfrendz website = Blasphemy In-Reply-To: <001901bf8849$ae5724c0$0d02a8c0@domain2000> Message-ID: At 15.27 +0000 00-03-07, Neil Ward wrote: >Trev would NEVER have a computer, he's a self confessed Luddite! Some people >have tried doing sites for him, but the 404's suggest this didn't get far. I started an embryonic one a number of years ago, but a slightly smaller number of years ago someone else who said they had more time contacted me saying they would take up the Hawkfrendz web site stuff. I said "Cool. Good luck." but that was the last I heard about it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 8 08:19:28 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:19:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003080147.UAA20927@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 20.52 -0500 00-03-07, K Henderson wrote: >(And anything before 1967, totally irrelevant. I just put that in there for >any Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame voters here on boc-l.) :) Blasphemy! The Beatles' _Revolver_ can never be irrelevant! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 8 21:57:15 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:57:15 EST Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/00 10:43:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << They're not a band I ever looked to to rehash the same material from album to album. God created AC/DC for that. >> hmmm...should i or shouldn't i.... OK: hope you're not intending this as a knock; the above is as true for ac/dc as it is for the ramones and even for motorhead. all 3 great bands with instantly recognizable sounds. if it ain't broke don't fix it! as ac/dc reaches the '85 million units sold mark (16 million in the us alone for back in black, the 40th-or-so-best selling album of all time), one wonders...that album they keep recycling must have been pretty damn good... rmayo From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Wed Mar 8 22:20:46 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:20:46 -0800 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: hey man >still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. Rob Boonen, now there is a HW fan name I haven't heard about in awhile. I bought some things off of him about 5 years ago, as I remember of very poor quality although advertised as much better. I don't know if he thought the items were in better shape because of his poor eyesight or if he was just ripping me off. He later offered some rare HW singles from South America but because of the poor quality of my previous purchases I passed, once bitten twice shy, so to speak. John From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 8 23:43:54 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:43:54 EST Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/00 11:51:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << Yeah, but at least Duran Duran can claim to have produced a Zappa alumnus... >> warren c. was in Zappa wayyyyy before DD; they hardly 'produced' him. perhaps 'seduced' would be more appropriate. he was in missing persons in between. rmayo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 00:01:00 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:01:00 EST Subject: 70's versus...00's Message-ID: what strikes me presently about the state of the us pop charts is how similar they are to the charts of the mid-70'---in the following way: remember the crazy mix of styles that made up the billboard top 40 in the mid 70's?? GordonLightfoot/Kiss/Cher/NeilSedaka/Alice/beegees/AWB/Barrywhite/Aerosmith/St arland Vocal Band/Streisand/Jgeilsband/VickyLawrence/Eagles/TVThemesongs/etcetc...schizo or what? now:Limp Bizkit/Garth Brooks/ODB/Korn/Backstreetboys/MariahC./Metallica......it's just as mixed up.... i actually think it's a great thing. i wouldn't listen to the vast majority of the current stuff above, but i think the diversity is cool. rmayo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 00:20:20 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:20:20 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: I have a quick question: I don;t have Live 79 or Levitiation on CD. I've noticed several copies of Live 79 for sale have mentioned that they're on Castle records, and in one case that the album is re-mastered. I've owned several Castle CD's from the 80's, and in every case it seemed to me that their 're-mastering' process must have involved sticking the album on the stereo and holding a microphone up to the loudspeaker. Every Castle CD from thatera which I've heard was at worst horribly tinny and compressed, and at best, markedly inferior sonically to the LP versions. Is this true of the Castle HW releases as well? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 02:22:31 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 02:22:31 EST Subject: 70's versus...00's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/00 12:06:13 AM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << GordonLightfoot/Kiss/Cher/NeilSedaka/Alice/beegees/AWB/Barrywhite/Aerosmith/St arland Vocal Band/Streisand/Jgeilsband/VickyLawrence/Eagles/TVThemesongs/etcetc...schizo or what? now:Limp Bizkit/Garth Brooks/ODB/Korn/Backstreetboys/MariahC./Metallica......it's just as mixed up.... >> ====== the top list might possibly have been heard on _one_ station at the time, in the radio twilight before disco became all. lotta yucky stuff there in the 1st half of the '70s. the bottom list would be divided into their respective 'niches...ready and waiting for them. ====== been doin' this temp work lately and have been treated to various radio music; one providence station specializing in hard rock/metal stuff from like 1968-94..."gimme shelter" every day. "black dog" every day."i want you to want me" every day. "come as you are" every day. they've basically taken over the niche that boston's WBCN abandoned to become, heh, "the rock revolution". i got to hear a bunch of songs from my adolescence. on another 'assignment' i had the opportunity to hear 5 hours of this new boston hip-hop 'r & b' station....it's a cliche for me to knock it, but oh man...lotsa ballads with singers oversinging, whitney/mariah variations, kinda like boring guitar solos...and lotsa the same tempo...and no real drums...and lotsa censored cussin'. but, like, some songs were in 3 hour rotation so i heard 'em twice, and _other_ songs were in _2_ hour rotation, so i heard 'em {three} times.. .nnnggghhh... please you are giving to me the shelter -_- "<>" From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 02:37:07 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:37:07 +1100 Subject: 70's versus...00's Message-ID: At 02:22 AM 3/9/00 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >1968-94..."gimme shelter" every day. That reminds me; one of the more peculiar sounding tings I've as a title for an ebay auction lately has been "Gimme shelter w/ Hawkwind and Samantha Fox" It's just a strange concept when you think about it, being stuck in a shelter with Samantha Fox and Hawkwind. Though my recent favourite is probably still "Snow White and all dogs go to heaven" -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Mar 8 23:10:35 2000 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 04:10:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > But remember that a big part of that vision was due to Al and > Pearlman and Meltzer. BOC's definitely in a different vein now. I do > hope that they continue to experiment--that was something they were > always known for back then... > > theo I wish there were some commercially viable reason to get the entire original BOC braintrust back in one camp. I think maybe we should organize a letter-writing campaign to Mike Meyers. If there's gonna be a Wayne's World 3, maybe the guys can do a Dominance and Submission sing-along in the Mirth Mobile or something???????? -- Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 9 08:26:05 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:26:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: <20000309052019.SNKY16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > I have a quick question: I don;t have Live 79 or Levitiation on CD. I've > noticed several copies of Live 79 for sale have mentioned that they're on > Castle records, and in one case that the album is re-mastered. I've owned > several Castle CD's from the 80's, and in every case it seemed to me that > their 're-mastering' process must have involved sticking the album on the > stereo and holding a microphone up to the loudspeaker. Every Castle CD from > thatera which I've heard was at worst horribly tinny and compressed, and at > best, markedly inferior sonically to the LP versions. Is this true of the > Castle HW releases as well? Well, for six or so HW albums the Castle CDs are the only CDs; they all came out remstered and repackaged last year (L79, _Levitation_, _Xenon Codex_, _Space Bandits_, _Electric Tepee_ and IItBotFtBD). They were discussed briefly on here before the thread got confused with, and hijacked by the EMI remasters of the iorst six albums, and I still think that may have been why Castle did it, but as far as we could tell there was in fact no difference at all between original CDs and remasters, which is a pity since at least XC would be dramatically improved by a clean-up IMO. As far as your question goes, though, I have the Castle _Levitation_ and there's nothing wrong with it at all, lovely and clear. It was however a marvellously-produced album - I imagine _Live '79_ would be more difficult to CD-master. Hope this helps, yours, Jon Memo to self - acronymise consistently or not at all! n/p _The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy_, Fit the Second -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 9 08:35:43 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:35:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > > As far as the 80s vs. the 90s in terms of rock and roll, I think the > 90s wins hands down. Rock and roll was watered down pop in the 80s > for the most part. I still think grunge is about the ugliest style of > rock I've ever heard, but there's some new rock out there that I can > really dig. I was in college in the 80s and listened to a lot of music. There was some great metal music from the 80s in particular. I think that guitar-wise, there was a lot of great music produced in the 80s. > > >Also (and I wonder if anyone else has noticed this) it seems to me that the > >90's were a lot more darker. Like the singers and bands out there were more > >depressed or something. The 80's were more joyful, cheerful. It shows in the > >videos too. Nowadays, all the videos are really dark and gloomy, at least > >the vast majority. Yep - that's because grunge became the mainstream, and grunge was all about the anti-corporate pop culture that was happening in the 80s - just like punk music was a reaction to a lot of big-time corporate rock in the 70s. But, if you thought the 80s didn't have much darkness, you weren't watching too many heavy metal videos - then again, I don't think heavy metal really resonated with the MTV crowd at that time. And, then again, heavy metal in the mid to late 80s became very mainstream, and watered down with everyone becoming a Poison look-alike band. > I have to admit I haven't heard BOC's last studio album. The cover scared me > off. It was better than it looked? "Never judge a book by its cover" I'm amazed to hear that people who are familiar with the musical capabilities of the amazing Blue Oyster Cult would actually NOT buy one of their albums because the didn't like the cover artwork. That is just so foreign to my way of thinking... > I guess it depends on which period BOC you like. From my limited > observations, which will probably turn out to be totally unfounded now that > I'm actually on a BOC mailing list, people tend to prefer either their 80's > sci-fi/biker type stuff, or their early, hard-edged, surreal stuff. > Personally I love the first three albums, and adore Imaginos, and find the > 'Fire of Unknown Origin' type stuff pretty bland. I think I just liked > Pearlman's lyrics. and I just loved getting lost in his bizarre settings > and rantings about telescopes and huskies and shrubs and whatnot. I always > considered Pearlman a genius, and it seemed that mostly when he was > involved, the music really fired, too. The Albert Bouchard/Sandy Pearlman > combination was the real essence of BOC to me, though I remember reading an > interview where AB expressed some disdain for those early albums. Well, in that case, you might not like *Heaven Forbid*... > Howls! But remember that a big part of that vision was due to Al and > Pearlman and Meltzer. BOC's definitely in a different vein now. I do > hope that they continue to experiment--that was something they were > always known for back then... True - now I guess BOC just has their talent to rely on... ;-) > at least-at least and nothing more...duran duran was a _band_ what had to > play their equipment, click trax notwithstanding, but the BB sing along > w/finished 'product', ready and waiting for them. i think that's a measurable > distinction these days. They are the Menudo of the 90s/00s ... Scary to think that one of them may be the next Ricky Martin in 10 years... > > > > And I don't know when the CD was 'invented,' but there's no way people > > were routinely buying them in stores in 1979! Nope - I think the first CDs came out in 1982. > >(And anything before 1967, totally irrelevant. I just put that in there for > >any Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame voters here on boc-l.) :) > > Blasphemy! The Beatles' _Revolver_ can never be irrelevant! :) Absolutely! Not to mention all the blues records that came before it. Just picked up the latest issue of Fender's "Frontline" magazine/catalog, and there is an article in it on Muddy Waters - and the title is "Muddy Waters - A Tribute to the Man Who Invented the Modern Rock Band". > > I wish there were some commercially viable reason to get the entire > original BOC braintrust back in one camp. I think maybe we should > organize a letter-writing campaign to Mike Meyers. If there's gonna > be a Wayne's World 3, maybe the guys can do a Dominance and > Submission sing-along in the Mirth Mobile or something???????? Well, all members of the original BOC braintrust are still making music (o.k., at least the music-making ones are). Enjoy it all and remember that, as with mutual funds, past performance is no guarantee of future returns. John From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 09:03:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:03:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: At 01:26 PM 3/9/00 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Well, for six or so HW albums the Castle CDs are the only >CDs; they all came out remstered and repackaged last year (L79, >_Levitation_, _Xenon Codex_, _Space Bandits_, _Electric Tepee_ and >IItBotFtBD). They were discussed briefly on here before the thread got >confused with, and hijacked by the EMI remasters of the iorst six albums, >and I still think that may have been why Castle did it, but as far as we >could tell there was in fact no difference at all between original CDs and >remasters, which is a pity since at least XC would be dramatically >improved by a clean-up IMO. As far as your question goes, though, I have >the Castle _Levitation_ and there's nothing wrong with it at all, lovely >and clear. It was however a marvellously-produced album - I imagine _Live >'79_ would be more difficult to CD-master. Hope this helps, yours, Yep, thanks. Presumably they got their act together. I don't actually know how they managed to make those other albums sound so _bad_ though. The one I recall as being particularly dreadful was The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society. Reprise went and released it on CD more recently, and _they_ managed to somehow over-record it, so there was all this distortion in the bass. The LP version is still the only one I've heard that sounds right. The only Castle album I have nowadays is Motorhead's No Remorse, which is also definately inferior to the vinyl versions. I'm not, BTW, a vinyl freak. I have no real nostalgia for vinyl at all, and usually ditch the vinyl version of anything if I get a good CD version. Except some of my HW of course. Griffin made a commendable effort of recreating the original fold-out cover of Warrior, but it's not _quite_ the same, and I'll always have to have a fold-out-every-whichway vinyl version of Space Ritual, just so when I'm really old I can say to people when albums come on little data cubes the size of a matchbox, "Look, this was is what the 70's were like!" -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 09:11:55 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:11:55 +1100 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: >I'm amazed to hear that people who are familiar with the musical >capabilities of the amazing Blue Oyster Cult would actually NOT buy one >of their albums because the didn't like the cover artwork. That is just >so foreign to my way of thinking... I suppose it's just because BOC have produced quite a few albums which I don't really care for (just about everything after 'Secret Treaties', with one or two exceptions, actually). I thought Club Ninja was woeful, and as this was apparently another album without A.Bouchard, and the cover art reminded me of some bad-hair 80's metal band, I just couldn't be bothered. I'm sorry to offend anyone, but I do regard the cover art for an album of at least some indication of what the band want to convey to you about the music, and what the artwork (and album title) conveyed didn't look very promising to me. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 09:13:13 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:13:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: Oh, there's also the little matter that I've never actually seen a copy of it to buy it, much less listen to it anyway :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 09:15:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 09:15:34 EST Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/00 9:04:14 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << every-whichway vinyl version of Space Ritual, >> ====== ...and years ago i was sent a tape of the canadian vinyl version of "Space Ritual", which is alleged to sound different from the version released in the UK/US. i dunno, maybe.... any other comments on that being so? "<>" From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Mar 9 10:01:36 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:01:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: >I suppose it's just because BOC have produced quite a few albums which I >don't really care for (just about everything after 'Secret Treaties', with >one or two exceptions, actually). I thought Club Ninja was woeful, and as >this was apparently another album without A.Bouchard, and the cover art >reminded me of some bad-hair 80's metal band, I just couldn't be bothered. >I'm sorry to offend anyone, but I do regard the cover art for an album of at >least some indication of what the band want to convey to you about the >music, and what the artwork (and album title) conveyed didn't look very >promising to me. I hate that cover too and was also turned down, at first, but didn't resist very long before buying the album :-) I personally thought it was pretty damn good, though certainly not their best effort. In any case, it should also be noted that the European cover is VERY different. Damn, wish I stil had that scan. A friend in France send it to me, and it looks more like a Fantasy kind of cover. Really cool art. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 10:13:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:13:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: At 09:15 AM 3/9/00 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 3/9/00 9:04:14 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > ><< every-whichway vinyl version of Space Ritual, >> >====== >...and years ago i was sent a tape of the canadian vinyl version of "Space >Ritual", which is alleged to sound different from the version released in the >UK/US. >i dunno, maybe.... > >any other comments on that being so? I haven't heard a Canadian copy, but I saw one, and the track list had 'Doon Through the Night'. Sorry, no, don't know... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 9 10:14:36 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <94.1a22658.25f8860a@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => In a message dated 3/8/00 11:51:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, => paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: => => << Yeah, but at least Duran Duran can claim to have produced a Zappa => alumnus... => >> => warren c. was in Zappa wayyyyy before DD; they hardly 'produced' him. perhaps => 'seduced' would be more appropriate. he was in missing persons in between. A bad choice of words on my part, I guess. Thank you for the clarification. But, I thought Warren was seduced by those catholic girls, not that guy from Barbarella? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Bob Marley and the Wailers, _Live!_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 9 10:58:48 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:58:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: <20000309151348.UFCU16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: => I haven't heard a Canadian copy, but I saw one, and the track list had => 'Doon Through the Night'. I thought that was on the Geordie/Scottish version of the album? Cheers, Paul "geordie git" Mather. NP: Black Sabbath, _Black Sabbath_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 9 10:58:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:58:56 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: At 01:26 PM 3/9/00 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Well, for six or so HW albums the Castle CDs are the only >CDs; they all came out remstered and repackaged last year (L79, >_Levitation_, _Xenon Codex_, _Space Bandits_, _Electric Tepee_ and >IItBotFtBD). They were discussed briefly on here before the thread got >confused with, and hijacked by the EMI remasters of the iorst six albums, >and I still think that may have been why Castle did it, but as far as we >could tell there was in fact no difference at all between original CDs and >remasters, which is a pity since at least XC would be dramatically >improved by a clean-up IMO. As far as your question goes, though, I have >the Castle _Levitation_ and there's nothing wrong with it at all, lovely >and clear. It was however a marvellously-produced album - I imagine _Live >'79_ would be more difficult to CD-master. Hope this helps, yours, Actually it doesn't quite clear up the question for me, because there are a lot of used HW CD's floating around on Castle from the 80's. Were these of similar sound quality to the 1997 releases? When you say there was no difference between them and the originals, do you mean between them and the earlier Castle versions, or were those albums available on CD on other labels prior to Castle? (you can tell how long I've been out of circulation. The last HW CD I bought new was Palace Springs.) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Thu Mar 9 11:14:36 2000 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:14:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s In-Reply-To: <200003091501.KAA20356@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: >I hate that cover too and was also turned down, at first, but didn't resist >very long before buying the album :-) I personally thought it was pretty >damn good, though certainly not their best effort. In any case, it should >also be noted that the European cover is VERY different. Damn, wish I stil >had that scan. A friend in France send it to me, and it looks more like a >Fantasy kind of cover. Really cool art. Isn't that picture on the inside of the jewel case on the US releases as well? My UK release has got the US 'melting face' cover on the lyric booklet, with the 'high priestess of chronos' cover as a seperate insert over the top, so we've actually got both. -- | Tim Hall, timjh at compuserve.com | http://www.kalyr.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 9 11:40:51 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:40:51 -0500 Subject: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: Andy Gee declares... >late-lamented progsters Tamarisk >somewher in there too - we even had the space-rock band Big Amongst >Sheep playing outside of a venue in Sheffield in a car park using their >own generator!! Well, ok, I know about BAS now, as their stuff was bootlegged onto CD-R last year, and I ended up with a copy. Was surprised I'd never heard of them before. Tamarisk is completely unfamiliar. Progsters as in 'neo'? >The '80's were more extreme than the '90's - the pop was either great or >pathetic, the metal mostly average and the underground buried so deep >you had to have a degree in archaeology to find it - but it was there >and, given time, I could give you a list of easily 100 great groups of >the '80's - good music is always around - you've just got to know where >it is and how to find it. OK, so what *were* the space/psych groups from the 80s (other than BAS) that never found an audience around the world? Pick the handful you liked best, and give us a short description if you would. I liked BAS enough to wonder if there truly were some others. I guess other than HW, F&R, and the Hawkfan 12 bands (UZero and the like), the early 80s is a gigantic hole for me. (Well, Eloy did some decent stuff too.) But it wasn't then until TAT ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there would be others appearing in the mists. And finally, can any of this stuff still be found? Or has any of it appeared officially on CD? Anxious to know...Keith H. (FAA) From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Mar 9 12:14:23 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:14:23 -0600 Subject: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > >The '80's were more extreme than the '90's - the pop was either great or > >pathetic, the metal mostly average and the underground buried so deep > >you had to have a degree in archaeology to find it - but it was there > >and, given time, I could give you a list of easily 100 great groups of > >the '80's - good music is always around - you've just got to know where > >it is and how to find it. Yeah, I'd like to see this list. Even a partial or half list would be cool. With brief descriptions, a maybe a note on availability...? > OK, so what *were* the space/psych groups from the 80s (other than BAS) that > never found an audience around the world? Pick the handful you liked best, > and give us a short description if you would. I liked BAS enough to wonder > if there truly were some others. I guess other than HW, F&R, and the > Hawkfan 12 bands (UZero and the like), the early 80s is a gigantic hole for > me. (Well, Eloy did some decent stuff too.) But it wasn't then until TAT > ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there > would be others appearing in the mists. Am I the only one who doesn't get the Ozrics? They always sounded like Rush playing watered down, unremarkable Yes to me. That samey-same overproduced 80's sound--ugh. I just can't take it. On another sidenote, why is it that so many great players (and the Ozrics are great players, I'll give them that) are so unconcerned with exploring great and innovative sounds? To give an example: Brian Eno versus Rick Wakeman. Now, I like Wakeman and all, but let's face it: despite the fact that Wakeman is a billion times the *musician* (technical ability-wise) that Eno is, Eno is a billion times the *artist*. And that is because Eno has always been concerned with new sounds, new ways to invent. He never sounds the same--even when he is boring, he is still inventive. Wakeman, though, always seemed satisfied with whatever of the moment sounds were in vogue and easy to obtain--which really works against him at times, especially during his solo albums or solo space during Yes' live appearances (and on Yessongs). Hawkwind, too, always seems interested in exploring new sounds, new ways to sound (though, again, some of their early to mid 80s stuff has that 80s sound that just dies on the vine as far as I am concerned...) Thomas NP--Stereolab- *Peng* From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 9 12:13:48 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:13:48 EDT Subject: '90's vs '80's In-Reply-To: <38C7DBEF.E47A22B7@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: On 9 Mar 00, at 11:14, Thomas Rickert wrote: > > Am I the only one who doesn't get the Ozrics? They always sounded like > Rush playing watered down, unremarkable Yes to me. That samey-same > overproduced 80's sound--ugh. I just can't take it. > Nope, I'm not going to do it... theo From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 9 14:23:56 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:23:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? Message-ID: cosmos schrieb: > >I meant to ask you - if you've had some contact with Dutch Hawkfans, did > >you/do you know/of (or does anyone know of) a guy named Eddy Hogers. We were > >really close friends, and I would love to make contact with him again if > >he's still around. > >-- > >Tim Gadd > >Hobart, Tasmania > > oh my dear !!! > those old old times. > i used to correspond with him and also traded maybe 500 livetapes with him. > we even met a couple of times. Me, Rainer Wangler and Bernhard Pospiech drove to Rotterdam to see HW in April 93. We wanted to fetch Eddie up in Appeldoorn, some 50 km from here, slightly off our route. But Eddie wasn?t home. We waited for an hour for him, then we were getting nervous because we still had a 100 km to drive and find the club. So we travelled further without him. We saw him a year or 2 later in Tilburg I believe, again at a HW gig, but he just ignored us. Maybe he was pissed off because we didn?t get him to Rotterdam. I haven?t seen him again after that. He was a nice guy, though he smoked a bit too much pot IMO. Andreas From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 9 14:23:57 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 20:23:57 +0100 Subject: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: K Henderson schrieb: > OK, so what *were* the space/psych groups from the 80s (other than BAS) that > never found an audience around the world? Pick the handful you liked best, > and give us a short description if you would. I liked BAS enough to wonder > if there truly were some others. I guess other than HW, F&R, and the > Hawkfan 12 bands (UZero and the like), the early 80s is a gigantic hole for > me. (Well, Eloy did some decent stuff too.) But it wasn't then until TAT > ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there > would be others appearing in the mists. > > And finally, can any of this stuff still be found? Or has any of it > appeared officially on CD? After all, the 80?s weren?t that bad: Here & Now produced a few good albums in the early 80?s, though I only own 1 ("Theatre"). Then there?s Plasticland who did some good pop psyche stuff throughout the 80?s. Let?s not forget Union Carbide Productions from Sweden, not unlike Spacemen 3, but more melodic. They are known as the Soundtrack of our Lives nowadays and do some slightly psychedelic pop. In 85 XTC produced a marvellous album as the Dukes of Stratosphear, "25 o?clock" with wonderful pastiches of 60?s Pink Floyd, Move, Beatles. Love & Rockets (ex-Bauhaus band minus Peter Murphy put together one of my favourite 80?s album: "Express" from 86, also on CD - great psychedelic pop with lots of great guitars). The Ozrics released their first tape in 85. Magic Mushroom Band got their 1st album out 1 year later. And in 86 the so-called "Grebo" (?) scene started with bands as Gaye Bikers on Acid, Pop will eat itself and Zodiac Mindwarp. I saw the first 2 bands in the summer of 87 with HW at the Acid Daze festival in Finsbury Park, along with the Pink Fairies and the Ozrics. This festival really changed my life completely. Until then I never knew that such good music is around. And there played "Voodoo Child", one of the very best Hendrix clones ever! I?m still searching for their sole album from 87. So what really was a bad period in the 80?s was from 81 to 84 IMHO. But I totally agree with Keith that the 90?s were a hundred times better musically. There are even more good bands around than in the early 70?s! Andreas (35 and grown up in the 80?s) From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Mar 9 14:32:32 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:32:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > I wish there were some commercially viable reason to get the entire > original BOC braintrust back in one camp. I think maybe we should > organize a letter-writing campaign to Mike Meyers. If there's gonna > be a Wayne's World 3, maybe the guys can do a Dominance and > Submission sing-along in the Mirth Mobile or something???????? Nah, the D&S singalong should be the club scene, how about the 'hey, hey hey' part of Astronomy from Imaginos for in the car? oh yeah, :) scorch From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 9 14:50:06 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:50:06 -0800 Subject: OFF: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:40:51 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >OK, so what *were* the space/psych groups from the 80s (other than BAS) that >never found an audience around the world? Pick the handful you liked best, >and give us a short description if you would. As someone else said, you had to look harder (in some ways) to find the good bands in the 80s, but there were *many* excellent space/psych-oriented bands during that time that were fairly well-known in the non-punk/hardcore rock underground (and well-documented in zines like 'Conflict' and 'Forced Exposure', which was a publication long before it was a label or mail-order operation). Some of the ones I was listening to: The Wipers - started as a punk band in the late 70s, but the title track of their second album, 'Youth of America' is an amazing piece of minimalist blanga. Reissued on Sub Pop, I'm pretty certain. Flipper - ultra blanga, but maybe too sludgey for some folks here. They could drive a riff into the ground as well as circa 71/72 Hawkwind, and their classic/signature tune "Sex Bomb" features some freaky noises going on throughout its 7 minutes of madness. Still in-print on Subterranean. Savage Republic - sort of what I *hoped* Einstruzende Neubauten would sound like. Heavily percussive (banging on flaming oil drums long before it became cliche), with ringing, droning guitars. Almost like ear-splittingly-loud ambient music at times. Probably still available through their Independent Project label; their stuff also turns up pretty cheap used/cut-out. Viv Akauldren - from Detroit, with Detroitrock (MC5) and goth (seem to have been a common thing among 80s spacey bands) influences mixed in with the spacerock. All stuff way out-of-print. The Girls & Shut Up - two related Boston bands (actually, the Girls were a late 70s band mostly, who were the only non-Cleveland act to have a single on Pere Ubu's Hearthan label, but their one LP didn't come out until the early 80s) featuring synth god Robin Amos (now in Cul-de-Sac). The Girls were very upbeat and somewhat new-wave "quirky" - Inner City Unit fans would probably like 'em alot. Probably out-of-print, unless Forced Exposure mailorder still has copies. Plasticland - more psych than space (with a fixation on English freakbeat ala Tomorrow, etc. and 60s fashion), but some of their mellotron-driven stuff ("The Mushroom Hill" from their first LP) was reminiscent of 70s space/krautrock, but with catchier tunes and without the excesses. Leader John Frankovic played with F/i on their first European tour. Mostly out-of-print, unfortunately. Possibly available in Europe since they were bigger in Germany than the US. Butthole Surfers - don't forget that they were truly underground in the 80s, and were probably the most lysergically-damaged American rock band at the time. Seeing them live in 1986 was a life-changing experience for me. Currently being remastered/reissued, as the band just successfully sued their former label (Touch & Go) to get the rights back. Camper Van Beethoven - definitely had very nice psychedelic overtones before they signed to a major label and got boring. Check out their version of "Interstellar Overdrive" (with Eugene Chadbourne guesting) from their third album. (leader David Lowrey's post-Camper band, Cracker, are utterly AWFUL, however) Not sure how much of their stuff is still available, but some type of hits/outtakes compilation was recently released. Opal - Founded by ex-Rain Parade (another great 80s psych band) Dave Roback and ex-Dream Syndicate Kendra Smith. 'Happy Nightmare Baby', their album on SST, was one of (if not THE) best psych albums of the 80s. Heavy & droning when it needed to be, but also light & folky with great female vocals when appropriate. After Kendra Smith quit, Dave recruited a new singer and changed the band's name to Mazzy Star. Still in-print on SST. And finally, don't forget that both Alien Planetscapes and F/i started in the early 80s and released numerous (dozens, in both cases) cassettes during the decade. Helios Creed started his solo career on Subterranean records (home of Flipper) mid-decade, too. And that's only American artists; someone else can fill in the Euros/Brits/Japanese/Aussies/Kiwis/etc. My next message will be about how great pre-1967 rock and roll was (including my appreciation for Pet Sounds and the rest of the Beach Boys back catalog, and for Bubblegum music, especially the B-sides of the hits). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 15:13:46 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:13:46 EST Subject: OFF: WHAT ? DOWN AGAIN? CRIMINY!!! Message-ID: this is only a test, like... "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 9 16:12:12 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:12:12 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: Thomas doubted... >> But it wasn't then until TAT >> ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there >> would be others appearing in the mists. > >Am I the only one who doesn't get the Ozrics? They always sounded like Rush >playing watered down, unremarkable Yes to me. That samey-same overproduced 80's >sound--ugh. I just can't take it. Well, perhaps that's a little extreme, but I see what you mean. I too, don't believe the Ozrics were the best at 'free-festy' psych, rather I'd nominate Ship of Fools and Dead Flowers for that. But the Ozrics don't really sound like Rush and/or Yes to me...I mean, most of their stuff is either reggae or 'eastern' music. Now, Ed's guitar soloing style is another matter, and I suppose that's the sameness you're tiring of. >On another sidenote, why is it that so many great players (and the Ozrics are >great players, I'll give them that) are so unconcerned with exploring great and >innovative sounds? I suppose it's because they don't *have* to. Bands like Hawkwind with only marginal playing talent are forced to be creative in development of sound, style, and (both visual and aural) theatrics. I'm with ya', man, although I can appreciate both. Keith H. (FAA) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 19:02:04 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:02:04 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 3/4/00 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP : 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp26.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. 3/4/00 1.Das Ludicroix--Moon Healing Activation (MHA cassette) 2. " " --Pray For a Good Harvest (Strange Daze'97 cassette) 3.Alien Planetscapes--Chris in Space (Life on Earth) 4.Hawkwind--Magnu (10/4/89 Minneapolis cassette) 5.Spacehead--We are the Future/Odyssey (In Space We Trust...'95-'98) 6.Verge--Spirit of the Age (??--Hawkwind Covers All "unnoficial comp") 7.Holger Czukay--Dancing in Wild Circles (Good Morning Story) 8.Tangle Edge--excerpt from Eulogy (Eulogy) 9.Nebula Trip--In One Year, Ophelia (Birth) 10.Vibrasonic--Perpetual Motion Machine (??) 11.Julian Cope--I Have Always Been Here Before (Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye--Tribute to Roky Erikson) 12.Pink Floyd--Careful w/that Axe, Eugene (Relics) 13.Space Explosion--Im Hall (Space Explosion) 14.Escapade--I See Things (Duetoafaultypremonition) 15.The Exploding Meet--Circus of Disharmony (Circus of Disharmony) 16.Helios Creed--Master Blaster (Boxing the Clown) 17.5:15--Starship Dark Sun (Psychedelic Singalongs for Stadiums) 18.Faust--T'electronique (Ravivando) 19.Darxtar--Darker (Darker) 20.Helios Creed--Hyperventilation (Boxing the Clown; by request!) 21.Can--Mushroom Head (Tago Mago; by request!) Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 9 19:28:52 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:28:52 EST Subject: NIK: LA Show Message-ID: Hey. Well, here's a quick review from me, for whoever is interested. First I met Doug Pearson at his friend's place in LA. We got to the venue too late to catch Subarachnoid Space. Met Dan Ductor in the pool-room. I was already pretty buzzed when he came up to me later and said "Hey, Chuck, this is Len". I thought he said "Lynn" and just sort of sat there staring like an idiot. Then I noticed the beard/mustache, put two and two together (or whatever) and realized it was Len Del Rio. Then I stood up, shook his hand and tried not to embarrass him w/adulation. But I finally got to tell him personally how much I liked his Zero Gravity album, the last Anubian Lights album, etc. He talked mostly about how he didn't like Cleopatra and intended to move on, label-wise. Very nice guy. Then 5:15 came on. Keith Henderson made me a CD-R of various bands recently, one of which was the song they kicked off their set with--"Starship Dark Sun". The hookey riff caught my attention when I first heard it. The next time I heard it, it struck me as being kinda poppy for space-rock. The night before the concert, I glanced over an old issue of Aural Innovations and its 5:15 interview, which perplexed me even more. By the time of the concert, I seriously had my doubts; Doug's friend Doug kept turning to me, saying "Spinal Tap". Exactly. Finnish pop-psyche style. Nik came out during the last couple tunes to play sax. Oh well... I came hoping to see Nik's Space Ritual and that's finally what we got. At the end of the set, Grenas gave me the play-list, so here it is: Ghost Dance Master of the Universe Watching the Grass Grow D-Rider Sonic Attack Ejection Soul Herder Opa-Loka 2000 St. Anthony's Fire (Farflung tune, I assume from a recent album) Utopia Brainstorm Encore: Do That (which was never done) I guess by the time they finished BS, it was 2am, so they had to split despite the nice reception from the tiny crowd. Excellent. I can't think of anything else to say--if you've seen 'em or heard the albums, that's what went down--no surprises. The sound/acoustics were perfect. I just wonder who the other musicians were, other than Nik, Len and Grenas (I didn't recognize the other guys, and Nik never announced the band members). Dan Ductor video-taped the gig, and I'm curious to see/heard how that turns out, however at the same time kind of dread watching my-self bouncing around w/hands in the air like an ass at front-center (the stage wasn't much elevated from the floor). Maybe Dan managed to truncate me. Maybe Doug or Dan can offer some more technical observations (I was pretty blitzed, too, so maybe they could offer more accute observations in general). Anyway--It was great to meet you guys. Can't wait 'till next time. Anubian Lights apparently gig there pretty regularly, so maybe Dan and I (and any other SoCalers lurking out there) can get together more often. Chuck From Martyn.Lawrence at CORPMAIL.TELSTRA.COM.AU Thu Mar 9 19:22:38 2000 From: Martyn.Lawrence at CORPMAIL.TELSTRA.COM.AU (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA]) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:22:38 +1100 Subject: HW:QS&C Message-ID: Hi While looking at http://www.sanity.com.au/ I noticed that QS&C has a different cover,is this a rerelease ? regards Marty From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Mar 10 05:29:18 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:29:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jello Biafra for president Message-ID: For more info: http://www.angelfire.com/punk/jello2000/ For Immediate Release January 24, 2000 /Alternative Tentacles/ -- Much to his surprise, Jello Biafra was nominated for the Green Party Presidential Primary in New York State. Biafra, former lead singer/songwriter of the seminal political punk band Dead Kennedys, accomplished spoken word performer, and renowned social commentator, will be an official candidate in the March 7 election. Also on the ballot are consumer advocate Ralph Nader, Stephen Gaskin, founder of The Farm - a commune in Tennessee, and Joel Kovel, a doctor, peace activist, and college professor. No stranger to politics, Jello Biafra ran against Diane Feinstein in the 1979 San Francisco Mayoral race, where he finished in fourth place with over six thousand votes (3.5% of the total). In June 1986, criminal charges for "Distribution of Harmful Matter to Minors" against Dead Kennedys' Frankenchrist album thrust Biafra into the spotlight as a spokesperson on First Amendment rights. It marked the first case in history to try a recorded work for obscenity. The trial ended in a hung jury and the judge ultimately dismissed the case. Biafra joined forces with other concerned musicians, including Frank Zappa, to combat the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center), an organization dedicated to forcing the de-facto censorship of musical lyrics. Biafra locked horns with PMRC leader Tipper Gore twice on the Oprah Winfrey Show; he has also appeared on Donahue, Crossfire, and Politically Incorrect. After numerous musical and spoken word albums, Biafra continues to perform internationally, stirring his fans with scathing political insights paired with razor sharp wit. Biafra is owner/founder of Alternative Tentacles Records, a respected independent label. ATR recently celebrated its twentieth anniversary, and boasts more than two hundred, often controversial, releases to date. Jello Biafra, a registered Green Party member in California for several years, has chosen Mumia Abu-Jamal, an award-winning journalist currently in prison on death row, as his vice-presidential running mate. This decision will focus attention on Abu-Jamal's case and on opposition towards the death penalty in general. The following list outlines the other key points of Biafra's platform. Biafra does not plan to actively campaign. For further information concerning the Green Party (including volunteer positions) contact Craig Seeman at (718)797-0045 or cseeman at earthlink.net. Direct press inquiries related to Jello Biafra or Alternative Tentacles Records to Michelle at (415)282-9784 or michelle at alternativetentacles.com. Jello Biafra's Platform for 2000 Green Party Presidential Primary (State of New York - March 7): - Enactment of a maximum wage - Payback through free healthcare, education and public transportation - Withdrawal of the US from NAFTA and the World Trade Organization, ideally forcing their dissolution - A moratorium (or at least mandatory labeling) of irradiated and genetically engineered "frankenfood" - End the "War on Drugs", disband the DEA, and commute the prison sentences of all small time drug offenders to "time served" - Abolish the military and CIA, and destroy all nuclear weapons - Shift the United States Government to Parliamentary rule, with proportional representation, and a sixty day limit on election campaigns - "None of the Above" option on all ballots, whereby a majority of dissatisfied voters can force a new election - Allow taxpayers to choose exactly where the government directs their money - Citizen election of police officers - Legalize squatting in abandoned buildings - Eradicate all SUV's!!!!!!!! ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++ ++++ if you agree copy these lines to your sig ++++ ++++ see http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank ++++ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 10 08:45:34 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:45:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: <20000309052019.SNKY16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: At 16:20 09/03/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: >I have a quick question: I don;t have Live 79 or Levitiation on CD. I've >noticed several copies of Live 79 for sale have mentioned that they're on >Castle records, and in one case that the album is re-mastered. I've owned >several Castle CD's from the 80's, and in every case it seemed to me that >their 're-mastering' process must have involved sticking the album on the >stereo and holding a microphone up to the loudspeaker. Every Castle CD from >thatera which I've heard was at worst horribly tinny and compressed, and at >best, markedly inferior sonically to the LP versions. Is this true of the >Castle HW releases as well? I don't know whether or not the Castle re-issues are in any way re-mastered, but I like the cute digipak cases, though I know a lot of people prefer "jewel" (erk!) cases that don't scuff (just shatter & need replacing). I have an "old" Levitation from Castle, and in "absolute" terms has terrific sound quality, perhaps their best from a purely technical POV - I can't imagine it would ever need anykind of remastering except for transfer to another medium. Likewise I have no complaints about my "old" Palace Springs. I have "The Xenon Codex" from the re-issue series and there's nothing seriously amiss with it, though I have a feeling that I'd like this one better on vinyl - but the regulars in these parts don't need me ranting on about that again ;-{)> ChrisW NP: Swamp Thing 12" - The Grid From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 10 09:33:42 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:33:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Krantz In-Reply-To: <20000309141312.UCEN16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Defaul t> Message-ID: I saw this guy last night and was completely blown away. This was "power trio" music of the finest kind but very difficult to describe, and almost impossible to categorise. They consider themselves to be "jazz" musicians, and to take a "jazz" (hate that word - causes too much pre-judgement) approach to group improvisation, though they're rhythmically rooted in the rock/funk/blues camp. The emphasis is definitely on improvising, they are not a "jam band" noodling away for hours over shuffle rhythms, they're doing flik-flaks on a musical high wire. His guitar tone is sometimes reminiscent of Hendrix or SRV, but then as soon as you think you've got him nailed down he takes off in another direction entirely. These guys fly, very high. UK list members have a couple of chances to catch this astonishing guitar man in Cardiff & Kendall over the next few days. Any US listmembers in the NYC area should be able to find him on Thursday nights in The 55 Bar in Greenwich Village - I think he said it was the corner of 7th Ave. & (St.?) Christopher Street. He did say that he gave up record labels because, despite their claims of "wide distribution", fans were always complaining that they couldn't find his albums. He then said that releasing and distributing independently meant that for the first time ever he'd been able to pay his rent out of album sales last month! So go to http://www.waynekrantz.com - you know it makes sense! Cheers, ChrisW NP: Everyman Band Next Up: Wayne Krantz - Greenwich Mean (of course) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 10 10:51:11 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:51:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles question Message-ID: I have those posters too. They are different fom the Doremi stuff although in the same style. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 March 2000 05:38 Subject: HW: Barney Bubbles question >I wonder if anyone could cast some light on something for me. > >I have a set of 5 posters by Barney Bubbles, which, according to Trev Hughes >back when I got them, were part of a limited edition of 500 released in >1972, and having to do the DOREMI album release. > >Does anyone know precisely in what way they corresponded with the release of >Doremi? I know the album originally had a poster with it, but surely it >can't be these. They are five quite large prints, which couldn't possibly be >packaged with an LP. > >Just in case there's any confusion, they're b/w posters, each of which are >marked 'Barney Bubbles/Hawkwind', and which depict various fantasy scenes >such as Dinosaurs grazing around an Atlantean temples while UFO's fly >overhead, and a naked woman riding a Wyvern and so on. > >Tim >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Mar 10 22:15:03 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:15:03 -0700 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > I have to admit I haven't heard BOC's last studio album. The cover scared me > off. It was better than it looked? That album rocks and I'll wipe a booger on anyone who dares disagree. Brad, full of boogeys From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 11 00:27:38 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:27:38 EST Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Hello?? Haven't had any mail from BOC-L in a day and a half. Chuck From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Mar 10 18:07:44 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:07:44 +0100 Subject: HW:Silver Machine Message-ID: Hello, My wife did me a big surprise this evening. She never told me.She bought a new washing machine. She bought the Silver Edition.So I've got a Silver Machine. Remember the 70-80 Hawkwind when they were talking (during live concerts) about a washing machine. Well I've got one,and it's really in silver. Love it. filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Sat Mar 11 03:23:53 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:23:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Muzak thru the decades. Message-ID: Alex gets off the point with... >>I thought '99 produced a great number of really good albums, if you searched >>long and hard enough. And the 90s have been spectacular, at least in >>comparison to the absolutely dismal 80s. > >Duran Duran over Backstreet Boys >(*feels sick at the mention of BB*). The 90's have struck me as particularly >bland and tasteless (again, I'm talking mainstream). I was never talking mainstream, and never will I again here (except perhaps to criticize it mercilessly), and I *thought* I made that clear, as below. >>(Who would waste their time wondering if Culture Club was better or worse >>than Matchbox 20?) BTW, FWIW, I have said here before that I thought Duran Duran was the worst band I'd ever heard. (I'm sure there are worse that I've never heard.) And amazingly, took heat for it! Gotta agree with this, even tho I did work with a band in the 80's who covered all of the then popular chart music, including Limahl, ABC etc and all that bleuch !! >Obviously, if you go digging underground, you're gonna find some pearls. All >decades have them. I just think they were buried deeper in the 90's. This was when I 'discovered' Rock Music, Deep Purple, Rush (here we go again), and Led Zep. Don't want to argue the rip-off cover theme again but at the time this was new to me, and I loved it. Maybe because it 'spoke' to me, lots of angst ridden lyrics and solid power chords. That's ok. But I only found five in the 80s, and hundreds in the 90s. >>Surely, my thoughts aren't unique?! Nope, I'm with you there. > >Likely not. I even share some of them - though I do disagree about the 80's :-) Disagree? How? We're not talking about the same thing. 'New wave' and 'hair metal' vs. 'alterna-hipsters' and 'girl power/boy bands' is totally irrelevant (to me). All of it is vile, so what? The question is...beyond this rubbish, is there anything to listen to? In the 80s, hardly (that's why I listened to (some) metal)...in the 90s, absolutely! >Also (and I wonder if anyone else has noticed this) it seems to me that the >90's were a lot more darker. Like the singers and bands out there were more >depressed or something. The 80's were more joyful, cheerful. It shows in the >videos too. Nowadays, all the videos are really dark and gloomy, at least >the vast majority. I really hate this 'labellling' of music, why categorise stuff, the stupid thing to me is that even the so called people in the know miss-label stuff all the time, how often do we hear DJ's saying "the greatest rock and roll band of the xties", for me rock and roll was the 50's and 60's, rock and then punk was the 70's, new wave, new romantic, new age, new..... was the 80's. Since then it's all become a blur (including Blur). Videos? I haven't seen a video since Mark Goodman (probably DD's "Rio"). :) Now I understand where you're coming from. :) Keith H. (FAA), revisionist youth at 35 (owns no CDs recorded before my birth, except maybe 1...B.B. King) I think you'll find that at 35 there were no CD's 'recorded' before your birth Kieth.... :) But I know what you mean. I must confess to having a mediocre collection of Classical music on disc tho. I frequently find myself listening to Orf's Carmina Burana or a lot of Tchaichovsky's pieces. There, my secret is out, I'm bound to get stick for this. Anyway, we now return to semi-lurkdom. If anybody is interested we are playing (Dr Hasbeen) in Scarborough on Sat 18th. Mail me for details.Mark (The Master of Disaster) mark at esparto.org mark.p.lee at genie.co.uk mark.p.lee at sms.genie.co.uk (to cellphone) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ END MESSAGE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 11 08:50:23 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:50:23 +1100 Subject: HW: Silver Machines Message-ID: This is partly a test, because I buggered around with the list settings, and haven't recieved any mail in 2 days, and am not sure whether this was me or you. But so as not to make this off-topic: I presume it's been mentioned on the list sometime in the past, but did people hear The Church's version of Silver Machine, on their 1999 'A box of Birds' album? Justwondered what you thought of it. I'm a big Church fan, but I wasn't mad on this album. I couldn't really see the point of a bunch of covers of other people's music, which didn't really re-interpret the originals. On The Church list I called the version of Silver Machine 'emasculated', and suggested that the band obviously weren't taking enough drugs to do a proper version of it (or, considering Steve Kilbey's recent headline-making adventure in New York, maybe they're just taking the wrong sort). Having said that, I ought to add that it's a _whole lot better_ than the old cover I have by Vardis :) Does anyone else here like The Church? I can't imagine many Hawkwind fans being totally averse to their 98 album 'Hologram of Baal', which I like a great deal. I've often regarded the two bands as having some indefinable thing in common (or maybe I'm just confusing lysergic with narcotic.) Kilbey _does_ at times, remind me a little of Bob Calvert in vocal style. At other times though, he reminds me of Al Stewart. The Church were playing their 20th anniversery gigs in Sydney/Melbourne this week or lastweek, and as they've customarily been doing Silver Machine as an encore on thelast couple of tours, Sydney-siders would have had a chance to compare versions. That is if HW are still playing it in concert, which I kinda would like to think they might have stopped doing by now. Ok, that leads me to another question, which should probably be a seperate post, but in any case here it is: is there a song which you particularly wish HW wouldn't play in concert? For me it's definately be Sonic Attack. I just don;t think anyone but Calvert can even come nearto pulling it off. Everyone else's readings of it which I've heard have sounded pretty lame, and that 'musical' version of it they were doing in the early 80's was just horrible. All IMVHO. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 11 09:36:34 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:36:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: <20000309155855.TFJE18963.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > At 01:26 PM 3/9/00 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > Actually it doesn't quite clear up the question for me, because there are a > lot of used HW CD's floating around on Castle from the 80's. Were these of > similar sound quality to the 1997 releases? When you say there was no > difference between them and the originals, do you mean between them and the > earlier Castle versions, or were those albums available on CD on other > labels prior to Castle? (you can tell how long I've been out of circulation. > The last HW CD I bought new was Palace Springs.) As far as I know the Castle releases of these albums are the only CD releases, but I may be wrong. If so one of the people more knowledgeable about such things than I will doubtless pick me up on it :-) Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Sat Mar 11 11:23:05 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 16:23:05 -0000 Subject: T Shirts Message-ID: Oh woe is me, I havn't received my NZ tour T-shirt yet. Nor have I heard a sitrep for some time. What's Occuring? A concerned Doc!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Mar 11 12:08:58 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:08:58 -0000 Subject: HW Covers - Sloterdijk Message-ID: Been out acting like a beer monster so I can't remember who asked me to speak about Sloterdijks version of "Golden Void, but here goes. Recorded live at the Dunkerclub, Berlin on 16 December 1999, this is only available as a promo and won't appear on the forthcoming album (details at http://community-2.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl/) Starts off with a synthesised drumtrack before the pulsating keyboards kick in. A lot slower than the HW version it's almost cathartic, but otherwise stays fairly close to the original. Very good, although I should point out that the original Sloterdijk tracks are as good, if not better. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 10 12:48:53 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:48:53 -0000 Subject: Say it as it is! (Re: HW: Did I really say that...?) Message-ID: No need to apologise, you were right. Most of the Flicknife stuff was crap. Huw was not too happy at the release of that live LP either. A pretty fallow period for HW between Levitation and the Blacksword LP. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 March 2000 17:46 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? >I just forced myself to sit through a very humbling and cringe-making >experience; a bout with the 21-year-old me and my big mouth. > >Back in 1984/85, I co-edited 3 issues of a zine called the Hawkwind Bazooka, >with a guy in Holland. It was a really strange concept; partly written in >Tasmania, sent to Holland, stapled together there with new bits added (often >without my knowing what they were going to be - which was really tremendous >when the bloke in Holland took it into his head to publish a private letter >I'd sent him in which I admitted to taking various drugs, while at the same >time discussing the draconian new Tasmanian drug laws). Anyway it was, in my >view at the time, a load of rubbish, but apparently it circulatd around and >people read it. But I've just read it for the first time in nearly 15 years, >and the things I wrote in it - eek! :( > >I was speculating as to why I might have dropped out of circulation around >1985, and mentioned that I was a bit disappointed in the quality of the HW >releases in the early to mid 80's. Apparently I must have been more than a >bit disappointed. The 3rd edition of this zine starts with an editorial >lambaste of Flicknife, in which I call Friends and Relations 2 "a disaster", >Zones a thrown-together, opportunistic, mish-mash, and stated that Flicknife >had a cheek charging full-price for something as abysmally recorded as the >live Huw-Lloyd Langton group album. Then this Dutch guy takes up the theme, >with even less restraint or diplomacy, accusing Flicknife of being rip-off >merchants. Then to cap it off, an article by Ande Tucker, where he calls >Flicknife "Flickshit", and describes their releases as 'crap'. That appears >to have been the bomb I set off under myself to mark my departure from the >Hawkwind fold. In retrospect, whereas I still can't admit to being any >fonder of Zones and Friends and Relations 2, I think I might have been a bit >more supportive of the band. 15 years down the track I confess myself in awe >of Brock's ability to keep the thing rolling, and hope the hawkwind crowd >of the time can forgive that younger me for his total lack of appreciation >of the trials and tribulations of keeping a rock band on the road through >lost record deals, personal tragedies and god knows what else. It's a >shame I wasn't around to congratulate them on their return to vinyl form >over the following 5 years, but would anyone have wanted my opinion anyway, >after that outburst? Ah well. At least I didn't get sued by Frenchy. Geez, >me and my big mouth :( If anyone still has any of those things, would you >burn them? > >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 10 12:57:40 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:57:40 -0000 Subject: HW: Radio Days, etc Message-ID: You are inspiring me dig out interviews Trev Hughes and I did with Nik, Huw, and Dave....nah you're right, quite a high cringe factor here....another 19 year old's voice - mine. There's worse, I did a video interview with Nic Potter in the gents at Trev Hughes Hawkon....it's bad, really. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 March 2000 19:53 Subject: HW: Radio Days, etc >At 05:50 AM 3/9/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: > Another of my big regrets. If those things ever turn up on a >>bootleg I might shoot myself. Are these the demos from Gloriana/Entropy >>Tango, you're talking about? God, I hated myself for that. > >Just in case you took that the wrong way, that wasn't meant to imply that I >thought _you_ would bootleg them; just that I have no idea how many copies >were distributed of it once it left my hands. In fact Moorcock had sent them >to me for possible inclusion in a radio special I was going to produce about >his music, so I suppose he had no qualms about people actually getting to >hear that stuff; it's just that I never asked him at the time if I could run >off a copy for someone, and without that permission, I shouldn;t have done. >The show ended up not happening, because just after the tapes arrived I >ended up breaking off with the station I was with, and taking a 3 to 4 year >break from radio (for the record, Zooks! resumed in 86, and continued from >then up till last year.) Nik Turner also sent me some stuff for a program >around that time, which also didn't get made, for the same reasons, and >which I also felt shitty about. (in fact there were possibly other reasons >why that one might have been hard to produce anyway. Imagine, if you will, a >90 minute tape made by Nik, on this premise: > >"I started off like it's my radio show and I'm interviewing you, with me as >me and then as your alter ego Tim Zooks, and interviewing myself in the form >of my saxaphone." > >This was not the sort of thing you could conviently edit around pieces of >music :) And I wasn't entirely sure what to do with my part of the thing, >when according to Nik I was crawling around on the ceiling most of the time. >That's if it was me he was talking about. I couldn't really figure it out. >Maybe one day I should just set it running and improvise along to it :/ > >Brock sent me a tape - this was all around the same time, but I feel a bit >less bad about not using that, since an interview recorded on a portable >cassette player, in a car, whilst overtaking lorries on the way to a gig, >was of a sound quality such that even I thought it was too rough to air. >Plus he said something entirely unbroadcastable about Paul Rudolph on it :) > >The one thing which I did get done before all of this happened, was the Bob >Calvert special. Personally I can't bear to listen to my godawful 18 or 19 >year-old voice prattling on, so I haven't listened to it in a decade or >more, but I'm just glad I managed to get done what I suppose might have been >the only major-length audio documentary about Calvert done in his lifetime. >I'm sure he must have been horribly disappointed with it when he heard it; >probably had imagined I was some sort of professional rather than an >audacious teenager with access to a couple of old Revox's. > >Sorry, don't know where that all spilled out from. >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania > From erics at TELEPRES.COM Sun Mar 12 02:03:02 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 02:03:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: ; from paul@GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 10:58:48AM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 10:58:48AM -0500, Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > => I haven't heard a Canadian copy, but I saw one, and the track list had > => 'Doon Through the Night'. > I thought that was on the Geordie/Scottish version of the album? Yanks think we (Canadians, that is) sound Scottish. Go figure. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Mar 12 12:44:02 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:44:02 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND Message-ID: hello ! Thats`s my first letter in this round. i?m searching for people they have interest to swap, trade hawkwind stuff. i have a large list list of hawkwind live tapes and cd also many tapes of bob calvert,nik turner and other. Rainer.Wamgler From dahl at AROS.NET Sun Mar 12 13:24:54 2000 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:24:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: now 90s v. 80s Message-ID: > Yeah, but at least Duran Duran can claim to have produced a Zappa > alumnus... I wouldn't say they "produced" a Zappa alum, but the did recruit Warren. You also can't knock their rhythm section of Joe Travers (kind of a Zappa alum if you count Dweezil) and Wes. Few bands can boast a drum/bass combo of this talent. Now go out and buy a Mike Keneally CD if you want to hear some people performing impossible feats on their instruments. Brad, wondering who has all the BOC boots around here? From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 13 08:46:12 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:46:12 +0000 Subject: calexico In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:22:19 GMT." Message-ID: Andy, I'll be in canada but calexico play london march 28. They'll also be back may 13th at QE Hall - which I think I can manage ! Article about them & Giant Sand in sunday times yesterday. As for GYBE april 3rd let me know a metup venue. I'll probably read this account on the day, before I train down. cheers Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 13 08:49:02 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:49:02 +0000 Subject: calexico In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:22:19 GMT." Message-ID: Yeah alright the calexico message wasn't meant for boc-l. :-P But actually, UK folks, check out calexico anyway. Awesome gig last year. Tim From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon Mar 13 09:40:09 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:40:09 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind in LA? Message-ID: Did Chuck or any other Southlanders meet the band at the airport on their layover from NZ? Mark From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 14 01:21:46 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:21:46 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 3/4/00 Message-ID: hi chuck! well, um, i know it was a typo =we were were at last year's SD, not 97=... but yeah, cool that you'd play that! did it sound ok for you? glad to have come up w/something you'd play... thanks larry boyd "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 14 01:26:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:26:55 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 3/4/00 Message-ID: that wasnt meant for the board...=duh= gomen but thanks just the same... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 14 06:07:59 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:07:59 EST Subject: HAWKWIND Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/00 12:55:04 AM, Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE writes: << Rainer.Wangler >> ==== grettings! how the heck are ya, comrade... "<>" From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Mar 14 07:03:38 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:03:38 +1100 Subject: HW:QS&C Message-ID: On 10 Mar 2000, at 11:22, Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA] wrote: > Hi > While looking at http://www.sanity.com.au/ I noticed that QS&C > has a different cover,is this a rerelease ? That be the Griffin re-release of a few years back ..... S. -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 14 08:30:29 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:30:29 +1100 Subject: HW:QS&C Message-ID: At 11:03 PM 3/14/00 +1100, Sonique wrote: >On 10 Mar 2000, at 11:22, Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA] wrote: > >> Hi >> While looking at http://www.sanity.com.au/ These people certainly have soime odd sounding albums in their Hawkwind catalogue. "Funkadelicious" ? "Fabulous Shit" ? "Disco Classics" ? ok - that's the copy of Quark I have. (somewhereorother, I also I also have that poster that's down in the bottom right hand corner). I wonder if this catalogue is even vaguely up to date. I didn't think that pressing was still available. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 14 10:03:54 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:03:54 GMT Subject: HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: WANGLER's message of Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:44:02 +0100 Message-ID: WANGLER writes: > hello ! > Thats`s my first letter in this round. > i?m searching for people they have interest > to swap, trade hawkwind stuff. > i have a large list list of hawkwind live tapes > and cd also many tapes of bob calvert,nik turner and > other. > Rainer.Wamgler Hey Rainer! Long time no see! Welcome to the list! Mike From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Mar 14 10:42:10 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:42:10 -0500 Subject: LA Show Message-ID: Well, I pretty much agree with Chuck about the show. The Five Fifteen set was good, but a little to pop sounding for my taste. Spinal Tap certainly came to my mind. However, they did play a great rendition of Silver Machine with Nik on sax and vocals. Just last night I finished watching the video tape that I shot. Overall, it was not a bad shoot! I was hoping to do some hand held camera shots, but my battery died, so I ended up video taping from the mixing board area. The show was amazing, like Chuck has already stated. The visuals really flowed with the music. Many thanks to Rob Jacobs for the amazing technicolor films!! I do believe that the band backing up Nik was essentially Farflung with Len Del Rio. I should be talking to Len soon. Hopefully he'll fill me in on when Anubian Lights will play again. Space is Deep, Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg [SMTP:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: NIK: LA Show Hey. Well, here's a quick review from me, for whoever is interested. First I met Doug Pearson at his friend's place in LA. We got to the venue too late to catch Subarachnoid Space. Met Dan Ductor in the pool-room. I was already pretty buzzed when he came up to me later and said "Hey, Chuck, this is Len". I thought he said "Lynn" and just sort of sat there staring like an idiot. Then I noticed the beard/mustache, put two and two together (or whatever) and realized it was Len Del Rio. Then I stood up, shook his hand and tried not to embarrass him w/adulation. But I finally got to tell him personally how much I liked his Zero Gravity album, the last Anubian Lights album, etc. He talked mostly about how he didn't like Cleopatra and intended to move on, label-wise. Very nice guy. Then 5:15 came on. Keith Henderson made me a CD-R of various bands recently, one of which was the song they kicked off their set with--"Starship Dark Sun". The hookey riff caught my attention when I first heard it. The next time I heard it, it struck me as being kinda poppy for space-rock. The night before the concert, I glanced over an old issue of Aural Innovations and its 5:15 interview, which perplexed me even more. By the time of the concert, I seriously had my doubts; Doug's friend Doug kept turning to me, saying "Spinal Tap". Exactly. Finnish pop-psyche style. Nik came out during the last couple tunes to play sax. Oh well... I came hoping to see Nik's Space Ritual and that's finally what we got. At the end of the set, Grenas gave me the play-list, so here it is: Ghost Dance Master of the Universe Watching the Grass Grow D-Rider Sonic Attack Ejection Soul Herder Opa-Loka 2000 St. Anthony's Fire (Farflung tune, I assume from a recent album) Utopia Brainstorm Encore: Do That (which was never done) I guess by the time they finished BS, it was 2am, so they had to split despite the nice reception from the tiny crowd. Excellent. I can't think of anything else to say--if you've seen 'em or heard the albums, that's what went down--no surprises. The sound/acoustics were perfect. I just wonder who the other musicians were, other than Nik, Len and Grenas (I didn't recognize the other guys, and Nik never announced the band members). Dan Ductor video-taped the gig, and I'm curious to see/heard how that turns out, however at the same time kind of dread watching my-self bouncing around w/hands in the air like an ass at front-center (the stage wasn't much elevated from the floor). Maybe Dan managed to truncate me. Maybe Doug or Dan can offer some more technical observations (I was pretty blitzed, too, so maybe they could offer more accute observations in general). Anyway--It was great to meet you guys. Can't wait 'till next time. Anubian Lights apparently gig there pretty regularly, so maybe Dan and I (and any other SoCalers lurking out there) can get together more often. Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 14 11:03:51 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:03:51 -0500 Subject: BÖC: Tour Dates Message-ID: Hi Folks...funny tours the boys are doing these days, aren't they? I haven't been to the Ohio State Fair in a few years, guess I don't have an excuse for not going this year! Well, I haven't had the opportunity to partake of funnel cakes and butter sculptures for quite a while, so perhaps I'll wander over there this summer. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I hope they get top billing over the Puppet Show. :) P.P.S. I got these from USENET, so don't quote me on them. And what's up with that Oregon date sandwiched between PA and NY...makes no bloody sense. Blue ?yster Cult tour dates Apr. 14 Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre 15 Las Vegas, NV Boulder Station Hotel and Casino 27 San Antonio, TX Sunset Station 28 Houston, TX Whiskey Dick's Ice House 29 Charlotte, NC Centre City Fest 2000 May 5 Lake Buena Vista FL House of Blues 6 Cape Canaveral, FL Seafest 19 Pensacola, FL Pensacola Springfest 20 Myrtle Beach, SC Broadway @ the Beach Jun 9 Cleveland, OH Fagan's 10 Walker, MI City of Walker 16 Rice Lake, WI 22 South Bend, IN Heartland 23 Louisville, KY Rockin' at Riverpoints 24 Lasalle, IL Lasalle Motor Speedway Jul 28 Trempealeau, WI Trempealeau Hotel 29 Chicago, IL Navy Pier Aug 5 Manitoba, MB Minnedosa Lake Amphitheatre 6 Sturgis, SD Buffalo Chip Concerts 8 Milwaukee, WI Wisconsin State Fair 12 Pocono Mts. PA Big Boulder Ski Area 16 Grants Pass, OR Josephine County Fair 19 North Tonowanda, NY Majestic Theatre 20 Columbus, OH Ohio State Fair Sep 3 Windsor, Ontario Waterfront, Downtown From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 14 11:35:03 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:35:03 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound In-Reply-To: <200003092113.QAA02568@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 04:12:12PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > > I suppose it's because they don't *have* to. Bands like Hawkwind with only > marginal playing talent are forced to be creative in development of sound, > style, and (both visual and aural) theatrics. I'm with ya', man, although I > can appreciate both. You know, maybe it says something about my musical taste (like maybe I'm really a punk rocker at heart?), but I'd rather listen to their "marginally talented" playing than almost any amount of elaborate instrument wanking from "virtuoso" players. I like the occasional big showy guitar piece too, but it should be the highlight of the show, not a basic building block of every song. It gets old for me REAL FAST. Steve swann at Plutonia.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 14 11:46:27 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:46:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: Hi Folks... Thanks to Stephan, I've now got a copy of the new Griffin 1976 Live CD entitled "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures." Will write more later, but just wanted to say it's very nice. Cool original artwork in the same ASAM pulp SF style, with lots of photos of the band in that era. Nik with abundant hair, both up and down, photos of Paul Rudolph and Allan Powell with the band (something I can't ever remember seeing before) (Allan's the little guy I guess)...just a really nice job by Mr. Godwin himself once again. Glad to see Griffin continue in at least this way. I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but the sound was good and the track selection reasonable. Uncle Sam's on Mars was quite different than other versions. Time for Sale was cool to hear for the first time, Brock & Calvert sharing vocals. Sounded very much like other material on ASAM to my ears...sorta Reefer Madness-ish I think. As someone else here was just asking, 'What track are you sick of hearing?' Well, here we do have yet another version of Sonic Attack for ya'. :) But my vote is for Brainstorm, as yes, once again, here's another version. That must be at least 20 official versions by now, right? The date/venue are given as Hammersmith Odeon 5.10.76, so there's no question about that I guess. The big question is still, will this be the same as material from the Voiceprint Atomhenge '76 2xCD? And even if so, did they work independently to produce these? I mean, they coulda used the same master tape and done their own mastering/digitizing, right? From one listen on a little box, I can say the sound is good (though I can't tell you more without closer attention). Calvert's vocals were a little too high in the mix at one point and Nik was half-buried at another, but all-in-all, it seemed acceptable. Well, anyway, the booklet is cool and you should all get one anyway. Keith H. (FAA) From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Mar 14 12:22:45 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:22:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: Overall, the new Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures CD is pretty good, but I'd have to say it's a much poorer show than the "Atomhenge" bootleg (Colston Hall, Bristol UK September 27, 1976). On one of the tracks on this CD, I think it's Steppenwolf, Simon or Alan (whoever is drumming....it's difficult to tell) actually messes up and plays a couple of misplaced beats.....it's extremely disorienting hearing the drummer mess up like that. I would have liked to hear the other tunes from the tour as well, such as Reefer Madness and Chronoglide Skyway.... I'll bet the voiceprint 2CD 1976 show is a lot more exciting, if it is in fact the 9-27-76 one. This show just doesn't show the same energy level. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Mar 14 12:38:52 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:38:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: K Henderson schrieb: > Hi Folks... > > Thanks to Stephan, I've now got a copy of the new Griffin 1976 Live CD > entitled "Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures." Will write more later, but just > wanted to say it's very nice. Cool original artwork in the same ASAM pulp > SF style, with lots of photos of the band in that era. Nik with abundant > hair, both up and down, photos of Paul Rudolph and Allan Powell with the > band (something I can't ever remember seeing before) (Allan's the little guy > I guess)...just a really nice job by Mr. Godwin himself once again. Glad to > see Griffin continue in at least this way. > > I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but the sound was good and the > track selection reasonable. Uncle Sam's on Mars was quite different than > other versions. Time for Sale was cool to hear for the first time, Brock & > Calvert sharing vocals. Sounded very much like other material on ASAM to my > ears...sorta Reefer Madness-ish I think. > > As someone else here was just asking, 'What track are you sick of hearing?' > Well, here we do have yet another version of Sonic Attack for ya'. :) But > my vote is for Brainstorm, as yes, once again, here's another version. That > must be at least 20 official versions by now, right? > > The date/venue are given as Hammersmith Odeon 5.10.76, so there's no > question about that I guess. The big question is still, will this be the > same as material from the Voiceprint Atomhenge '76 2xCD? And even if so, > did they work independently to produce these? I mean, they coulda used the > same master tape and done their own mastering/digitizing, right? >>From one er tape and done their own mastering/digitizing, right? > listen on a little box, I can say the sound is good (though I can't tell you > more without closer attention). Calvert's vocals were a little too high in > the mix at one point and Nik was half-buried at another, but all-in-all, it > seemed acceptable. > > Well, anyway, the booklet is cool and you should all get one anyway. > > Keith H. (FAA) Hello Keith ! this cd is not recorded at the hammersmith. it?s an recording from the same tour (september/october) i missing the songs reefer madness,paradox, chronoglide skyway, kerb crawler. ihope this songs are at the uk issue rainer From joe.e at TELIA.COM Tue Mar 14 13:35:41 2000 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:35:41 +0100 Subject: HW:QS&C Message-ID: At 11:22 2000-03-10 +1100, you wrote: >Hi >While looking at http://www.sanity.com.au/ I noticed that QS&C >has a different cover,is this a rerelease ? > >regards > >Marty umm, Quark? That's the Griffin one. Didn't you have a look at the long missing Hawkwind album "Touched by an Angel". Scary. http://sanity.globalfulfillment.com/Detail.cfm?ID=1487516&CFID=55539&CFTOKEN =86382765 Also 'the well known, but never seen' "World Percussion" album is there. Wasn't it Ginger Baker meets Simon King meets Terry Ollis meets Danny Thumpson under the name "Don't be Fooled by the Cover"? http://sanity.globalfulfillment.com/Detail.cfm?ID=1246442&CFID=55539&CFTOKEN =86382765 I knew the Doug Smith/Chumbawamba (or whatever) combination should end up in a cathastrophy... Please help. .joe From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Tue Mar 14 14:15:29 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:15:29 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: Ozrics.... ya got "Afterswish," ya got 'em all.... IMO of course. RJ -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound >Thomas doubted... > >>> But it wasn't then until TAT >>> ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there >>> would be others appearing in the mists. >> >>Am I the only one who doesn't get the Ozrics? They always sounded like Rush >>playing watered down, unremarkable Yes to me. That samey-same overproduced >80's >sound--ugh. I just can't take it. > >Well, perhaps that's a little extreme, but I see what you mean. I too, >don't believe the Ozrics were the best at 'free-festy' psych, rather I'd >nominate Ship of Fools and Dead Flowers for that. But the Ozrics don't >really sound like Rush and/or Yes to me...I mean, most of their stuff is >either reggae or 'eastern' music. Now, Ed's guitar soloing style is another >matter, and I suppose that's the sameness you're tiring of. > >>On another sidenote, why is it that so many great players (and the Ozrics >are >great players, I'll give them that) are so unconcerned with exploring >great and >innovative sounds? > >I suppose it's because they don't *have* to. Bands like Hawkwind with only >marginal playing talent are forced to be creative in development of sound, >style, and (both visual and aural) theatrics. I'm with ya', man, although I >can appreciate both. > >Keith H. (FAA) From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Mar 14 15:45:58 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:45:58 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM schrieb: > In a message dated 3/14/00 12:55:04 AM, Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE writes: > > << Rainer.Wangler >> > > ==== > grettings! > how the heck are ya, comrade... > > "<>" Hello larry nice to hear from you. it?s a long time i heard from you (three years ago ?) what are you doing .are you always making music? I`m collecting hawkwind around the clock Rainer From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 14 21:13:14 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:13:14 -0800 Subject: Ref: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: Keith wrote: OK, so what *were* the space/psych groups from the 80s (other than BAS) that never found an audience around the world? Pick the handful you liked best, and give us a short description if you would. I liked BAS enough to wonder if there truly were some others. I guess other than HW, F&R, and the Hawkfan 12 bands (UZero and the like), the early 80s is a gigantic hole for me. (Well, Eloy did some decent stuff too.) But it wasn't then until TAT ('88?) and the discovery of Ozrics, Tubliah Dog, etc. that I realized there would be others appearing in the mists. And finally, can any of this stuff still be found? Or has any of it appeared officially on CD? Phew - well, short of spending a couple of hours telling you the story of the underground in the '80's and totally boring you all to deat, let me be more general. First, when I said I could name 100 great bands of the '80's, I wasn't restricting it to just space and Kraut rock - sorry if I inadvetently whetted your appetite there, Keith, for bands that don't exist - but Andreas is quite right when he talks about the first two or three years of the '80's being a bit thin on the ground. For me during that period, the main country that was producing unique and great music was still France, and even though the main players continued to be some of the old players, the music produced was exquisite. Check Musea's superb 'la Discographie Du Rock Francais' for the complete story of the French music scene, easily a compatriot to the Freemans' excellent book on Krautrock. But the '80's were dominayed by one main thing - the 12 inch single. In the Uk, everything had to be on 12" to be a hit. From that came the first tru fruits of the industrial music scene and the rise of the producer as band member, with the remix taking on godlike proportions - witness my lord-knows-how-many versions of the track 'Poison' by The Weathermen, for proof of this - but it was important as a lot of great music came out of this, underground bands such as Portion Control, 400 Blows, O Yuki Conjugate, What Noise, and the list goes on. On the other side of the fence, the synth music scene exploded in the '80's with the rise of the UK artists' music easily eclipsing the stuff from the '70's fall-out and that stuff came out on LP and cassette by the truckload, alot of it still sounding good today, which is more than can be said of the Kraut scene at the same time - and of course the Americans were knee-deep in space music and new age, but the early pioneers sold like the clappers. On the guitar front, leaving heavy metal and peroxide pop (Darling Buds, Primitives, Transvision Vamp, etc)out of things, you had a bit of a resurgence in the prog scene in the early-mid '80's, but the best bands were on tape only, yet again, and jamming/psych guitar bands such as the excellent Rhad, released a tape and were never seen again. Honestly, it was all there - see my memoirs in about ten years time for full details. But, as you are all saying, '90's is best!!! Is this the last word on the subject? Oh, and by the way, the new Moonloonies CD is out now and it's fab (you do know who the Moonloonies are don't you all - includes Crum, who played with the Hawks on the '95 and '97 tours and on a couple of the live albums). The 'Thrilling Adventures' CD is great - all agreed? I spoke to the guy at Voiceprint, and we're no nearer an answer on the UK version as to whether or not it's a different concert and even when it's out yet. I've rambled enough for now - see 'ya! Andy G (Dead Earnest) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 14 21:31:57 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:31:57 -0800 Subject: Ref:Wayne Krantz Message-ID: Ref Wayne Krantz He did say that he gave up record labels because, despite their claims of "wide distribution", fans were always complaining that they couldn't find his albums. No wonder - they were on the jazz label Enja, not exactly the place ,most would look but the albums were and still are blinding, altho' it sounds like he's even better now than back then. I used to sell his stuff at Lotus Records mail order and it was hard 'coz no-one knew him and we ended up selling more CD's by Wayne Johnson as he was an identikit Pat Metheny clone (check out 'Grasshopper' for proof. I look forward to checking out the Krantz website!!! Andy G. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Mar 14 16:22:55 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:22:55 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: <200003141503.PAA01116@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >WANGLER writes: > > > hello ! > > Thats`s my first letter in this round. > > i?m searching for people they have interest > > to swap, trade hawkwind stuff. > > i have a large list list of hawkwind live tapes > > and cd also many tapes of bob calvert,nik turner and > > other. > > Rainer.Wamgler hi guess you are the same person i once met personally at eddie hogers house. soooooooo long ago. it seems that all the older fans now can afford a pc and really dig into space ;] anyway welcome !!! regards andre From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 14 17:01:43 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:01:43 EST Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/00 11:41:39 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: << I'd rather listen to their "marginally talented" playing than almost any amount of elaborate instrument wanking from "virtuoso" players. >> ===== better they're straining at the edge of their ability, than going through the usual shtick. yep. "<>" From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Mar 14 17:31:36 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:31:36 -0000 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound In-Reply-To: <200003092113.QAA02568@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: What is this "marginal playing talent"? I frequently read these comments here about Hawkwind and it seems to me that Dave Brock (who this accusation is typically levelled against) knows what sounds he wants to make, and lo! he creates those sounds. I don't understand how that can be any kind of inferior talent????? If he had played his career any other way, I probably wouldn't be here now. Alasdair On 9 Mar 00, at 16:12, K Henderson wrote: > I suppose it's because they don't *have* to. Bands like Hawkwind with > only marginal playing talent are forced to be creative in development > of sound, style, and (both visual and aural) theatrics. I'm with ya', > man, although I can appreciate both. > > Keith H. (FAA) > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Tue Mar 14 18:16:42 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:42 -0800 Subject: Thrilling stories!!!!!! Message-ID: got this email from tower records today: >Dear colm mcwilliams >Thank you for your recent order at Tower Europe >We are pleased to inform you that the following items >have >been shipped : >1 CD; Hawkwind: Thrilling Hawkwind Stories >Your order is completed. I can't wait! :) colm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 15 00:49:34 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:49:34 +1100 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: At 10:31 PM 3/14/00 -0000, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: >What is this "marginal playing talent"? I frequently read these >comments here about Hawkwind and it seems to me that Dave >Brock (who this accusation is typically levelled against) knows >what sounds he wants to make, and lo! he creates those sounds. I >don't understand how that can be any kind of inferior talent????? If >he had played his career any other way, I probably wouldn't be here >now. I remember when Live 79 came out, reading a review which said "Dave Brock still sounds like he learned to play guitar last week". In fact, whereas he's no Hendrix, I don't think this matters particularly; I've never liked a predominance of lead guitar in Hawkwind anyway, and it just so happens that I _love_ Brock's chunky, hard-edged rhythm style. He'd definately be one of my favourite rhythm guitarists ever. Also, at least in Brock's case, I think that whereas he may not be an outstanding guitarist techinically, he has an impressive ability with electronics and synthesizers; again, not in terms of outright playing, but in terms of simply visualising and then realising complex soundscapes. He seems to have a technical knack for this sort of thing; sequencers and so on. I also think he has the most musical voice of any Hawkwind member ever (which might not be saying a lot, but still..) I'd also question the old allegation that Hawkwind have generally been musically inept. House is an obvious exception, but you don't have to be a virtuoso musician to be a good rock musician. IMO Hawkwind have had at least two _great_ bass players, and one of the great rock drummers. King was playing a style in 1974 that I never used to hear anywhere else until the 90's; now suddenly it's everywhere; this playing the snare drum on the off-beat, like he does through 'Paradox' for instance; that's become almost a signature of 90's hard rock (except not many 90's drummers could also sneak in those sublime, seamlessly deployed little military rolls that King used to come out with in fills). Most of this doesn't come under the category of great playing from a technical stadpoint (though in King's case, I'd suggest some of it does); more simply from the point of view of doing something passionate, original; forging a unique style; playing with complete conviction. Anwyay, don;t quite know where that all came from... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Wed Mar 15 01:20:31 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:20:31 +0100 Subject: HW:inferior talent Message-ID: Hello all, I don't agree with some of you who tell that Hawkwind has inferior talent. I have a article with David Bowie where he is asked about the best artists he ever played with and he states:Andrew Belew and Simon House!!! And wasn't Alan Davey a hell of a bass-player? I also have a biography of Eric Clapton who states that he and Mr.Brock played together.I asked Dave about it and he said it's TRUE !! Best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 15 01:37:39 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:37:39 +1100 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: At 04:49 PM 3/15/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: > IMO Hawkwind have had at least >two _great_ bass players, FWIW I was referring to Lemmy and Adrian Shaw. I really like Alan Davey's playing, but I don't think he was such an innnovator or stylist as the other two. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Mar 15 02:06:35 2000 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:06:35 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: various Message-ID: NZ: With such a uniqe lineup/setlist there's got to be a live album in the works Thought I'd mention that my homepage is still up and slightly updated with a Hawkwind section at www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp . ObMemory:Tripping on mescaline and laying on my back with a dancer I was seeing at the time (and madly in love with) gyrating on top to Hawkwind's Snake Dance... ah, memories. Anyway, Chr. ObCD: Voivod: War and Pain From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Mar 15 03:50:24 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:50:24 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND Message-ID: cosmos schrieb: > >WANGLER writes: > > > > > hello ! > > > Thats`s my first letter in this round. > > > i?m searching for people they have interest > > > to swap, trade hawkwind stuff. > > > i have a large list list of hawkwind live tapes > > > and cd also many tapes of bob calvert,nik turner and > > > other. > > > Rainer.Wamgler > > hi > guess you are the same person i once met personally at eddie hogers house. > soooooooo long ago. > > it seems that all the older fans now can afford a pc and really > dig into space ;] > > anyway welcome !!! > > regards > > andre hello, it`s a long time ago but.. i don`t mind, how long ? ten years or more From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 15 06:21:29 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:21:29 GMT Subject: HAWKWIND In-Reply-To: WANGLER's message of Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:45:58 +0100 Message-ID: WANGLER writes: > I`m collecting hawkwind around the clock That'll take ten seconds of forever... > Rainer FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 15 06:41:44 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:41:44 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: various In-Reply-To: <002001bf8e4d$01b924c0$865247c1@default> Message-ID: On 15 Mar 00, at 8:06, Christian Mumford wrote: > NZ: With such a uniqe lineup/setlist there's got to be a live album in > the works > > Thought I'd mention that my homepage is still up and slightly updated > with a Hawkwind section at www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp . > CM, The OJ cartoon is the damndest thing I've seen in years! You the man! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 15 06:45:28 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:45:28 EDT Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) In-Reply-To: <200003150549.QAA09344@hobart.southcom.com.au> Message-ID: On 15 Mar 00, at 16:49, Tim Gadd wrote: > I remember when Live 79 came out, reading a review which said "Dave > Brock still sounds like he learned to play guitar last week". In fact, > whereas he's no Hendrix, I don't think this matters particularly; You are sooo right! Look at Motorhead. The sum of the parts is far more important than any one single player's virtuosity... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 15 09:12:33 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:12:33 +0000 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound In-Reply-To: <003001bf8de9$a9d0e800$698aa4d8@tomb> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Sprawl wrote: > Ozrics.... ya got "Afterswish," ya got 'em all.... > IMO of course. RJ Well, though _Afterswish_ has loads of the good stuff on, assuming you like the Ozrics in the first place, it doesn't have the sort of eleven-minute epic like `Imhotep' from _There Is Nothing_ or indeed `Vibuthi' from _Become The Other_, and those are definite points for the Ozrics I reckon. On the other hand, though I _like_ almost all Ozrics, it's not terribly startling stuff, and `Vibuthi' was the last thing they put to record that actually excited me. I haven't heard _Waterfall Cities_ yet but I've not been warned to expect different. On the other hand, I've not heard much Ship of Fools but what I have heard was electric stuff. Still, I reckon _Live Ethereal Cereal_, _There Is Nothing_, _Erpland_, _Strangeitude_ and _Become The Other_ would be worth rescuing from the Vogons (see ObCassette). Indeed, I gather from from alt.fan.ozric-tentacles that after all the palaver with Snapper, whom the Ozrics joined because they decided Dovetail were ripping them off (and wasn't Dovetail their manager's own label?), now they've again got their own label, Stretchy, not only do they have to get all their back catalogue under control _again_, but also that Snapper are refusing them any royalties off _Curious Corn_, _Spice Doubt_ and _Floating Seeds_, the remixes, for breach of contract; and, furthermore, that Snapper are about to release a new album of recently- recorded stuff, from all of which the band will be getting no money at all. There are therefore grand plans on the newsgroup to CD-tree the new release and _Floating Seeds_ and order fresh covers for them from the band so that they'll have Blim artwork and the band gets some money. In't the music business wonderful? Yours, Jon ObCassette: _Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ Fit the 4th -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 15 09:29:26 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:29:26 +0000 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) In-Reply-To: <20000315063738.OMPS18963.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > At 04:49 PM 3/15/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: > > IMO Hawkwind have had at least > >two _great_ bass players, > > FWIW I was referring to Lemmy and Adrian Shaw. I really like Alan Davey's > playing, but I don't think he was such an innnovator or stylist as the other > two. I guess if you're in the US, your chances of this are low, but I reckon catching a Bedouin gig would change your mind; Alan's off on his own now. I was blown away by the last one I saw. Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 15 09:58:13 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:58:13 +1100 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: At 02:29 PM 3/15/00 +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > >> At 04:49 PM 3/15/00 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: >> > IMO Hawkwind have had at least >> >two _great_ bass players, >> >> FWIW I was referring to Lemmy and Adrian Shaw. I really like Alan Davey's >> playing, but I don't think he was such an innnovator or stylist as the other >> two. > > I guess if you're in the US, your chances of this are low, but I >reckon catching a Bedouin gig would change your mind; Alan's off on his >own now. I was blown away by the last one I saw. Yours, I gues the thing is that I haven't heard much 90's HW. The latest thing I've heard with AD on it is the Love in Space EP. I'll admit his playing on that was really stylish, fluid, spontaneous; more invigorated than on the earlier HW material I'd heard him play on (not that that was poor by any means), but to be brutally honest, it sounded to me like someone who'd learned how to play like Lemmy, and then taken it a bit further, wheras Shaw's style was quite his own (you couldn't say 'High Rise' owed anything to Lemmy, for instance.) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 15 10:06:33 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:06:33 +1100 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: "it sounded to me like someone who'd learned how to play like Lemmy, and then taken it a bit further" - of course, if HW didn't play so many old songs, maybe bass players wouldn't be inclined to play like Lemmy. A friend set me his set list (from memory) of the February 2000 Sydney concert, and I was fairly appalled when I worked out that the average first recording date of the songs they played that night was 1976. They had a newer setlist than that back in 1983. I hope it was just a sort of one-off thing on account of it being the first time they'd played this country. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 15 11:29:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:29:58 -0500 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: Tim said... >"it sounded to me like someone who'd learned how to play like Lemmy, and >then taken it a bit further" > >- of course, if HW didn't play so many old songs, maybe bass players >wouldn't be inclined to play like Lemmy. A friend set me his set list (from >memory) of the February 2000 Sydney concert, and I was fairly appalled when >I worked out that the average first recording date of the songs they played >that night was 1976. They had a newer setlist than that back in 1983. >I hope >it was just a sort of one-off thing on account of it being the first time >they'd played this country. I think this is absolutely true. Look at the set lists from the 1989 (supposedly) Xenon Codex NA tour, the first time in the states since 1978. Again, it's a lot of 70s stuff. Of course, Huwy had just split, so they dumped a lot of stuff that featured his guitar leads, but since then, they've thrown back in some of the 80s stuff (now with Jerry, I guess it's easier). But I think the 'first time here' (in a long time) was a factor back in 1989 also. Steve Taylor may also have been an issue for OZ/NZ...perhaps there wasn't enough time for him to learn much 'newer' stuff. I'm not sure where all of this discussion about the presumed talent level of the group is going. I didn't realise that I was opening a can of worms or anything. And I wasn't really referring specifically to Brock, though I know in that interview he did for the LP collectors' box (?), he basically said the same thing at length. "Well, we can get by...." and all that... But I seem to get the impression that nobody's really contesting the main point here (yeah, a Simon House here, a HLL there, ok)...so that we all pretty much agree that they've continually succeeded in making great music without a cast of virtuosos. I mean, I think it's a given that a 'Learn Dave Brock's guitar soloing technique' set of videocassettes wouldn't sell too well (except to some of you kollektors)...because I imagine that the kind of people that buy this sort of thing and aspire to the stardom of Eddie Van Halen and Randy Rhoads would've already missed the point about what makes good music.* (Plus, they never would have heard of him.) And so anything that Brock could tell them (like "Don't play too many notes at once.") would be lost on them. But of course, what Brock does best is what makes Hawkwind the band that it is...brilliant songwriter, outstanding arranger of live performances (and always given a different cast of characters to work with), and so within that framework, his guitar leads (when he does decide to play them) work fabulously, like on that 1989 tour I was talking about earlier. Oh yeah, and of course, rhythm guitar is always more important, and he's not too shabby at that either. :) And is/was Lemmy really a great bass player, technically-speaking? (I really don't know and don't care, 'cause I *know* he's been a great bass-playing innovator which is the key. They don't call him the Bass Assassin fer nuthin'.) So again, perhaps we're mainly in agreement here, just not keeping estimation of 'talent' v. 'style' entirely straight. At least there's no doubt that he's got a great singing voice. :) Keith H. (FAA) (*No, I'm not saying that these guys didn't make good music...just that those who aspire to become what they were are probably not going do anything worthwhile.) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 15 11:40:50 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:40:50 EST Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/00 11:31:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << And is/was Lemmy really a great bass player, technically-speaking? >> yes; in my estimation (as a bass player meself) the bass is 1/2 of the rythm section and is the 'drive' behind/underneath the music. Lem is fantastic inthis regard, regardlessof the drummer he's paired with. also, to paraphrase "<>", 'he's the best at being Lemmy anyone could be'. i'll say... rmayo From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 15 11:43:07 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:43:07 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound In-Reply-To: <200003142232.WAA19539@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:31:36PM -0000, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > What is this "marginal playing talent"? I frequently read these > comments here about Hawkwind and it seems to me that Dave > Brock (who this accusation is typically levelled against) knows > what sounds he wants to make, and lo! he creates those sounds. I > don't understand how that can be any kind of inferior talent????? If > he had played his career any other way, I probably wouldn't be here > now. Heh heh heh. A man after my own heart. Brock's guitar sound pretty much *is* Hawkwind for me. Not that I don't love lots of other things about the band, but Brock's guitar is what defined the Hawkwind "sound" for me. Steve swann at plutonia.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 15 11:55:37 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:55:37 -0500 Subject: NIK: LA Show Message-ID: Chuck... >Hey. Well, here's a quick review from me, for whoever is interested. First I >met Doug Pearson at his friend's place in LA. We got to the venue too late to >catch Subarachnoid Space. That's too bad...they're pretty cool. >Then 5:15 came on. Keith Henderson made me a CD-R of various bands recently, >one of which was the song they kicked off their set with--"Starship Dark >Sun". The hookey riff caught my attention when I first heard it. The next >time I heard it, it struck me as being kinda poppy for space-rock. The night >before the concert, I glanced over an old issue of Aural Innovations and its >5:15 interview, which perplexed me even more. Yeah, well, they are more of an arena-sized classic rock band at heart (they named themselves after the Quadrophenia tune after all), with just some psychedelic tendencies. Nothing wrong with that I guess. And they write some good songs, but then some people don't like 'songs.' >By the time of the concert, I >seriously had my doubts; Doug's friend Doug kept turning to me, saying >"Spinal Tap". Exactly. Finnish pop-psyche style. Finland has their own recognizable 'pop-psych' style? :) >Nik came out during the last >couple tunes to play sax. Oh well... I came hoping to see Nik's Space Ritual >and that's finally what we got. At the end of the set, Grenas gave me the >play-list, so here it is: > >Ghost Dance >Master of the Universe >Watching the Grass Grow >D-Rider >Sonic Attack >Ejection >Soul Herder >Opa-Loka 2000 >St. Anthony's Fire (Farflung tune, I assume from a recent album) Yeah, this is from the Belief Module...you don't have it? You might be in trouble, as the label (Bad Acid) went belly up already. I guess they didn't have them for sale at the gig either. If it turns out that BM is totally absent from the marketplace, would it be proper and non-offending to run a CD-R tree? The album never did have much of a chance, did it? >Dan Ductor said...The show was amazing, like Chuck has already stated. The >visuals really flowed with the music. Many thanks to Rob Jacobs for the >amazing technicolor films!! Yeah, Rob does great work...I hope he comes back to Strange Daze again this year. Too bad you didn't get FreeFall...he had great skydiving shots for that tune. Keith H. (FAA) From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Wed Mar 15 12:54:27 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:54:27 -0800 Subject: NIK: LA Show Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:55:37 K Henderson wrote: >Yeah, this is from the Belief Module...you don't have it? You might be in >trouble, as the label (Bad Acid) went belly up already. I guess they didn't >have them for sale at the gig either. > >If it turns out that BM is totally absent from the marketplace, would it be >proper and non-offending to run a CD-R tree? Well, I just tried to order it from CD Now. I used a $10 coupon, and the price, including shipping in the US, was $10.48. I will let the list know when the order ships, if it does. If it doesn't, then I vote to tree it. :-) MWood NP: Al Stewart - _Orange_ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 15 13:19:18 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: Hi Folks... Can someone give me a rundown of the Dr. Hasbeen discography? I've just got Spirit of Brock, but I've seen mention of all of these titles at one point. 2125 The Prophetic Obscurities Spirit of Brock Inside Your Mind The Prophetic Verses Visions of the Afterlife The Bridgewater Jam - Live I'd like to know what order they were released (year if possible), CD v. CD-R, length (EP v. full-length), studio v. live, important instrumentation details (like drums v. drum-machine), sound quality, all-original v. compilation, anything that might be important. IIRC, there's someone here who is/was with the group, izzat right? In that case, help! Thanks...Keith H. (FAA) From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Wed Mar 15 14:06:16 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: aww, Jon, don't mind me. I just felt the need to say something. (anything,,,) I have almost all of the "Official: Ozrics releases, and a few tapes. I like it all, but the truth is, that if you put five discs in the carousel, there are only a few tracks that might allow me to guess the album. I have seen them 3 times live, and each time I made it about 3/4 thru before I started to wish they would hurry up and finish. I think they are great, but the lack of vocals can make it a bit monotonous at times. That goes with the territory, I guess. I hope my comment didn't put anyone off to them, I was really exaggerating a very small point. =) R >On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Sprawl wrote: > >> Ozrics.... ya got "Afterswish," ya got 'em all.... >> IMO of course. RJ > > Well, though _Afterswish_ has loads of the good stuff on, assuming >you like the Ozrics in the first place, it doesn't have the sort of >eleven-minute epic like `Imhotep' from _There Is Nothing_ or indeed >`Vibuthi' from _Become The Other_, and those are definite points for the >Ozrics I reckon. On the other hand, though I _like_ almost all Ozrics, >it's not terribly startling stuff, and `Vibuthi' was the last thing they >put to record that actually excited me. I haven't heard _Waterfall Cities_ >yet but I've not been warned to expect different. On the other hand, I've >not heard much Ship of Fools but what I have heard was electric >stuff. Still, I reckon _Live Ethereal Cereal_, _There Is Nothing_, >_Erpland_, _Strangeitude_ and _Become The Other_ would be worth rescuing >from the Vogons (see ObCassette). > > Indeed, I gather from from alt.fan.ozric-tentacles that after all >the palaver with Snapper, whom the Ozrics joined because they decided >Dovetail were ripping them off (and wasn't Dovetail their manager's own >label?), now they've again got their own label, Stretchy, not only do they >have to get all their back catalogue under control _again_, but also that >Snapper are refusing them any royalties off _Curious Corn_, _Spice Doubt_ >and _Floating Seeds_, the remixes, for breach of contract; and, >furthermore, that Snapper are about to release a new album of recently- >recorded stuff, from all of which the band will be getting no money at >all. There are therefore grand plans on the newsgroup to CD-tree the new >release and _Floating Seeds_ and order fresh covers for them from the band >so that they'll have Blim artwork and the band gets some money. In't the >music business wonderful? Yours, > Jon > >ObCassette: _Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ Fit the 4th >-- > /----------------------------------------------------------\ > | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | > | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | > | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | > |----------------------------------------------------------| > | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | > \----------------------------------------------------------/ > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 15 14:19:49 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:19:49 +0000 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) In-Reply-To: <200003151631.LAA29285@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Dave Brock: the thing about Dave is that without being fast as, for example, Jerry, and with an almost total absence of shredding, he can turn out some genuinely surprising guitar; look at the lead on the original `Death Trap' - where's *that* coming from? I love it. But also, look at the two-note solo in `LSD' - it's chock-full of energy and it picks you up and won't put you down till he stops. Some of the stuff on _California Brainstorm_ is also blinding improvisation to my way of thinking. Whether he still does this sort of stuff, of course, it's very hard to tell. Lemmy: is a supremely competent bass-player and adds a certain mass to anything. Again, though, he very rarely shows off and it's just the bass solo on `Time We Left' that you can use to evidence his skill. A point here though, made to me by a bass-player friend of mine, is that I tend to like bass-players who converted from guitar - like Lemmy, Joe Bouchard, Noel Redding, and you can doubtless think of others. These men do not play the same way as, for example, Adrian Shaw or another "real" bass player, Walter Becker, who these days only plays guitar - go figure... Alan sort of slips into the first category because he _does_ play like Lemmy and has always tried to - he maybe plays better now, but even though he started as a bass-player he's still imitating a guitarist. My bass-player friend, on seeing Bedouin, claimed that he thought Alan should get a lead guitarist or another bass-player and stop doing both jobs himself. I did not agree :-) My 2pworth, yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 15 14:39:38 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:39:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Did I really say that...? In-Reply-To: <20000308190821.PSKY16213.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: > At 06:58 PM 3/8/00 +0100, cosmos wrote: > > >hey man > >still have those fanzines from rob boonen and you. > > Actually - maybe you can find this thing. I couldn't. There was justone > thing I remember writing, which I was kinda happy with at the time. It was a > satire on some imagined Butterknife Records release from 20 years in the > future, called 'Friends and Relations Vol. 63' or something like that, and > it had this list of songs by artists totally unrelated to Hawkwind, like > Rolf Harris or Perry Como, accompanied by these ridiculously complicated, > tortuous attempts to draw some connection between them. Like (I'm making > this up, it wasn't in the original) > > Henry Mancini - Moon River > > Mancini's 'Moon River comes from his score for the movie 'Breakfast at > Tiffanys', which starred Audrey Hepburn. Hepburn also starred in the > original version of 'Sabrina', which was recently re-made, with Harrison > Ford. Ford has the same last name as the first name of Ford Prefect from > Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which was written by Douglas Adams, who > also wrote some episodes of Dr Who, which first screened on the same day > that John Kennedy was assassinated, and as we know, Dave Brock includes > recordings of the Oswald murder on the 'Church of Hawkwind' album. > > That sort of thing :) Try it - it's fun! I have lots of fun with that sort of thing - drawing genuine links between Hawkwind and goth bands for incredulous goths being my favourite. My personal best has been from Hawkwind to a Bradford Uni pisstake act called The Not Very Good Interval Band. They have a song called `Little Fluffy Chips'; this is a (hilarious) piss-take of `Little Fluffy Clouds' by the Orb, who featured at that time Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy; they also appeared on _Xitintoday_ by Sphynx which was of course a Nik Turner project, and Nik is/was in Hawkwind, *bing*. I find there's very little that can't be connected to Hawkwind inside four steps :-) Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 15 15:15:04 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:15:04 -0800 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:46:27 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but the sound was good and the >track selection reasonable. Uncle Sam's on Mars was quite different than >other versions. The 1976 version of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" sounds very much like Neu to my ears; more so than any other Hawkwind song, even "Opa-Loka" (which comes pretty darn close, too). I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, but it's really cool to hear the hard evidence of that. I like both this "Neu" version and the "punky" Hawklords version (from the Weird tape) far more than the "official" one on 'PXR5'. >Time for Sale was cool to hear for the first time, Brock & >Calvert sharing vocals. Sounded very much like other material on ASAM to my >ears...sorta Reefer Madness-ish I think. I never understood the rationale for calling Rudolph & Powell "too funky" until I heard this song (BTW is "Time For Sale" a Rudolph/Calvert composition? Does the Griffin CD include songwriting credits ... it appears not ... I've been a bit disappointed that those were missing from several of their reissues including ASAM). Paul Rudolph sounds like he wants to be Bootsy Collins! My other question for the day is if the version of "Back on the Streets" includes the verse missing from the studio version? Joules of sound are bad for your hearing And pleasure's something that doesn't last I took a substance for disappearing And I faded in the mirror so fast I counted to ten I was invisible then It was hours before I came back complete ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Mar 15 16:01:20 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:01:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Castle CD's In-Reply-To: <20000312020302.A26140@telepres.com> Message-ID: At 02:03 12.03.2000 -0500, Eric wrote: >On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 10:58:48AM -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Tim Gadd wrote: >> => I haven't heard a Canadian copy, but I saw one, and the track list had >> => 'Doon Through the Night'. >> I thought that was on the Geordie/Scottish version of the album? > >Yanks think we (Canadians, that is) sound Scottish. Go figure. > And a Glaswegian school friend of mine was often mistaken for Canadian:- there must be somethin in this! ChrisW ObCD: Ricaine - regret is an inevitable consequence of life "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 15 18:00:10 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:00:10 -0000 Subject: OT: Huw rides! Message-ID: http://www.mulletgods.com --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 16 03:38:43 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:38:43 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind Live '76 Message-ID: Hi, The full track list for the Uk double CD is: CD 1: Intro/Reefer Madness/Paradox/Chronoglide Skyway/Hassan I sahba/ Brainstorm/ Wind Of Change CD 2: Instrumental/Steppenwolf/Uncle Sam's On Mars/ Time For Sale/ Back On The Streets/ Sonic Attack/ Kerb Crawler and, especially for the guy who ordered from Tower, in case you haven't got the message yet, you can order this double CD now from CD Services (where I do all this in the daytime)at a discount price up to release date and get it as a soon as it's around, and we accept credit/switch cards/IMo's/Eurocheques, etc, and you can order by e.mail to CDSer at aol.com or call our 24 hour phone (manned Mon-fri 9am-5pm )at 01382-776595 or fax us on 01382-736702 - easy as that - quote your details once, we give you a customer number and from then on whenever you order all you have to do is quote the customer number - safest method in the known universe! Shameless plug and well deserved after me spending 20 years of selling Hawkwind and related music, Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 16 03:44:32 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:44:32 -0800 Subject: Ref:CD-R Tree Message-ID: If it turns out that BM is totally absent from the marketplace, would it be proper and non-offending to run a CD-R tree? The album never did have much of a chance, did it? ------------------------ Forgive me - I'm unfamiliar with this altho' I think I get the concept, but if you do this, who pays the band's royalties and where to? Andy G. From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Mar 15 20:22:53 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:53 -0800 Subject: OFF: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: >The Wipers - started as a punk band in the late 70s, but the title track of >their second album, 'Youth of America' is an amazing piece of minimalist >blanga. Reissued on Sub Pop, I'm pretty certain. Well, some of it anyway, along with Greg Sage's solo stuff. I used to see these guys in tiny clubs in 78/79 in Portland (OR), and they always put on an awesome show. I've got their first single and first album, which as far as I can tell have never been rereleased. I think I saw one track from the first album on a compilation. Any Wipers fans could probably bribe me for a copy..... :) scorch From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 15 07:44:17 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:44:17 -0500 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) In-Reply-To: <200003150549.QAA09344@hobart.southcom.com.au> Message-ID: At 16.49 +1100 00-03-15, Tim Gadd wrote: >it just so happens that >I _love_ Brock's chunky, hard-edged rhythm style. And, IMO, it is that sound which *is* Hawkwind. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Wed Mar 15 23:09:52 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:09:52 -0800 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: It is undeniable that Brock is HW, and I am one of their biggest fans, but it is also undeniable that Brock has had a tendency to "noodle" with his guitar work in recent years. I find myself wishing they would back off the synths and "just play yur guitar" John On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:31:36PM -0000, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > What is this "marginal playing talent"? I frequently read these > comments here about Hawkwind and it seems to me that Dave > Brock (who this accusation is typically levelled against) knows > what sounds he wants to make, and lo! he creates those sounds. I > don't understand how that can be any kind of inferior talent????? If > he had played his career any other way, I probably wouldn't be here > now. >Heh heh heh. A man after my own heart. Brock's guitar sound pretty >much *is* Hawkwind for me. Not that I don't love lots of other things >about the band, but Brock's guitar is what defined the Hawkwind >"sound" for me. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Mar 16 04:08:58 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:08:58 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Live '76 In-Reply-To: <38D09D93.3693@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: >The full track list for the Uk double CD is: >CD 1: Intro/Reefer Madness/Paradox/Chronoglide Skyway/Hassan I sahba/ >Brainstorm/ Wind Of Change >CD 2: Instrumental/Steppenwolf/Uncle Sam's On Mars/ Time For Sale/ Back >On The Streets/ Sonic Attack/ Kerb Crawler >and, especially for the guy who ordered from Tower, in case you haven't >got the message yet, you can order this double CD now from CD Services >(where I do all this in the daytime)at a discount price up to release >date and get it as a soon as it's around, and we accept credit/switch >cards/IMo's/Eurocheques, etc, and you can order by e.mail to >CDSer at aol.com or call our 24 hour phone (manned Mon-fri 9am-5pm )at >01382-776595 or fax us on 01382-736702 - easy as that - quote your >details once, we give you a customer number and from then on whenever >you order all you have to do is quote the customer number - safest >method in the known universe! >Shameless plug and well deserved after me spending 20 years of selling >Hawkwind and related music, >Andy G. hi andy well said !!! i don't work for this company but i have oredered many many cd's from them. really recommended. andre From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 16 07:12:14 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:12:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Castle CD's Message-ID: At 02:03 AM 3/12/00 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote: >Yanks think we (Canadians, that is) sound Scottish. Go figure. You do. Well, only when pronouncing one particular vowel sound, but that's still more Scots than Americans sound. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 16 09:46:57 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:46:57 +0000 Subject: Off:Wayne Krantz In-Reply-To: <38CEF61D.3D34@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 18:31 14.03.2000 -0800, you wrote: >Ref Wayne Krantz >>He did say that he gave up record labels because, despite their >>claims of "wide distribution", fans were always complaining that >>they couldn'tf ind his albums. > >No wonder - they were on the jazz label Enja, not exactly the place >most would look but the albums were and still are blinding, altho' it >sounds like he's even better now than back then. I used to sell his >stuff at Lotus Records mail order and it was hard 'coz no-one knew him >and we ended up selling more CD's by Wayne Johnson as he was an >identikit Pat Metheny clone (check out 'Grasshopper' for proof. I look >forward to checking out the Krantz website!!! >Andy G. Hmmm...well, I'd been scratching my head trying to think where I'd heard him before, and just before I got your message I had a flash & dug out my enja 20th anniversary album, and sho' 'nuff there he was. So to me, it was a logical label to look at - don't forget they were also home to John Scofield earlier in his career. Given that Krantz considers himself a jazz musician, and is probably better known in the jazz world than anywhere else, he probably wouldn't think it strange either. Speaking for myself, I don't search by label but by artist, though there are things that I've been prepared take a chance on because of the label that's released them. Perhaps it's a matter of perspective! As for an "identikit Pat Metheny clone" - eeeeuuwwww (*spit*spit*) Cheers, ChrisW NP: Textures (Alex Paterson Mix) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 16 10:27:20 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:27:20 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: Forgive my ignorance, but did anyone ever put out a CD or CD-R of the concert which the Live Legends video was recorded at - or of any gigs from that tour which featured Simon House? As much as I like Palace Springs, I can't listen to it without thinking that SH's playing on Golden Void, etc, would have lifted those performances from very good to sublime. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Mar 16 11:54:00 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:54:00 -0000 Subject: HW:/OFF: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: -----Original Message----- Hi Folks... Can someone give me a rundown of the Dr. Hasbeen discography? I've just got Spirit of Brock, but I've seen mention of all of these titles at one point. 2125 The Prophetic Obscurities Spirit of Brock Inside Your Mind The Prophetic Verses Visions of the Afterlife The Bridgewater Jam - Live I'd like to know what order they were released (year if possible), CD v. CD-R, length (EP v. full-length), studio v. live, important instrumentation details (like drums v. drum-machine), sound quality, all-original v. compilation, anything that might be important. IIRC, there's someone here who is/was with the group, izzat right? In that case, help! Thanks...Keith H. (FAA) Ayoop, You is/are/were quite correct, the member is moi. I've been with Martyn (ye founder) for nearly 2 years now and even I haven't got a full list, nobody has ever asked, apart from Henrik, for much information. I can see that it must be about time to get a list of stuff down for posterity ! I'll be seeing Martyn this w/end as we're practising for an upcoming release of material as "The NASA Conspiracy" as well as trying to get a "decent" live recording sorted. I'll kick his butt for any information I've not got and collate it all up for you. As a starter you might check out Henriks site at Peace of Mind, he's got a fair amount of stuff on his site. For those who were interested, the gig for Scarborough was cancelled by the venue this morning owing to him leaving ans the new people have called off all gigs he'd booked ??? It may take me a little time to get all the info you want/need together, bear with me... Cheers Mark (Hasbeen) From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Mar 16 11:59:50 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:59:50 -0000 Subject: BOC in Classic Rock mag Message-ID: There's 4 pages on the 'new' compilation in the latest issue of Classic Rock (UK). Bucks guide to the songs therein, plus the worst picture of the man himself ever, replete with gold lame cap sleeved T shirt! Stuart NP Gong - Zero To Infinity The Hawkwind Shop is at http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk For all your HW and spacerock necessities From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 16 13:03:45 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:03:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: Tim queried... >Forgive my ignorance, but did anyone ever put out a CD or CD-R of the >concert which the Live Legends video was recorded at - or of any gigs from >that tour which featured Simon House? Ah! I am certain it's in the queue of 'Collectors Series' CDs on Voiceprint. I remember posting something about it not long ago. I hope there's more on the audio tape than was on the video. Or did they only play about an hour that time in Nottingham? >As much as I like Palace Springs, I >can't listen to it without thinking that SH's playing on Golden Void, etc, >would have lifted those performances from very good to sublime. Yeah, I agree...I very distinctly remember the giant hole in the sound that night in Cleveland in '89 during Wind of Change especially. Simon's violin could only be heard inside my own head. Keith H. (FAA) From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 16 13:02:53 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:02:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000315121504.009654f0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hi At 12:15 15.3.2000 -0800, you wrote: >The 1976 version of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" sounds very much like >Neu to my ears; more so than any other Hawkwind song, even "Opa->Loka" (which comes pretty darn close, too). "Uncle Sam" is the musically successor of "Opa-Loka". There is no doubt ! >My other question for the day is if the version of "Back on the >Streets" includes the verse missing from the studio version? There is a cut at the beginning of this song. On the originally tape you can hear that the guitar-riff started and then stopped after a couple of seconds btw: This gig is for sure NOT from Hammy Odeon 05.10.76 !!!! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 16 13:12:02 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:12:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <200003161805.NAA15306@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi At 13:03 16.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: >I hope there's more on the audio tape than was on the video. Or >did they only play about an hour that time in Nottingham? The played longer. Here is the track list: 25.01.1990, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY, 95 minutes intro / assault & battery / golden void / treadmill / time we left / heads / time we left / out of the shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / jam / back in the box / arrival in utopia / paranoia / dream worker / starflight / ejection / damnation alley / your secret's safe with me / damnation alley / hassan i sahba / wind of change / assault & battery / golden void Please notice that they played ASSAULT and GOLDEN VOID twice this evening. The encore version of these songs was used for the video. Bernhard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 16 13:26:14 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:26:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: Doug P. spake thusly... >On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:46:27 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >>I've only had a chance to listen to it once, but the sound was good and the >>track selection reasonable. Uncle Sam's on Mars was quite different than >>other versions. > >The 1976 version of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" sounds very much like Neu to my >ears; more so than any other Hawkwind song, even "Opa-Loka" (which comes >pretty darn close, too). Hmmm...yeah, I think you are right...hadn't thought about that. >I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, Well, didn't he write liner notes for the UK (?) release of Neu!? I think I read that somewhere. >>Time for Sale was cool to hear for the first time, Brock & >>Calvert sharing vocals. Sounded very much like other material on ASAM to my >>ears...sorta Reefer Madness-ish I think. > >I never understood the rationale for calling Rudolph & Powell "too funky" >until I heard this song I like the 'funk blanga' thing...never heard anyone else play basslines quite like this. Though I have no taste for Aubergine. >Does the Griffin CD include songwriting credits ... it appears not ... No, it does not. >My other question for the day is if the version of "Back on the Streets" >includes the verse missing from the studio version? > >Joules of sound are bad for your hearing >And pleasure's something that doesn't last >I took a substance for disappearing >And I faded in the mirror so fast >I counted to ten >I was invisible then >It was hours before I came back complete ... YES! Bernhard says... >btw: This gig is for sure NOT from Hammy Odeon 05.10.76 !!!! Well, what the hell was I thinking believing the liner notes?!! :) So is it Colston Hall, Bristol UK September 27, 1976? Or what then? Keith H. (FAA) From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 16 13:30:50 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:30:50 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: At 07:12 PM 3/16/00 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hi > >At 13:03 16.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: >>I hope there's more on the audio tape than was on the video. Or >did they >only play about an hour that time in Nottingham? > >The played longer. Here is the track list: >damnation alley / hassan i sahba / Hassan, with Simon House, and they _left it off?_ In favour of what? Ggrrrr!!! I'd love to hear a really good live recording of that track, with House on violin. I have a tape somewhere which Ande Cameron made for me in 1980, from a supposed bootleg recorded at The New York Academy of Music 1977 (which is obviously a mistake), which opens with an incredible version of that track. The most searing, astonishing violin solo I've ever heard by House, then sledgehammer riffing by Brock in the 'It is Written' section, mixed right up front, and then the violin soloing over that. It's always been one of my all-time favourite pieces of Hawkwind, official, semi-official, bootleg, whatever, and makes the version on Quark sound positively soporific by comparison. And this was the tour Paul Kantner said the band were 'like and empty shell?' He must definately have missed that gig. (I _think_ this concert eventually turned up as a vinyl bootleg in around 1983, allegedly recorded at the Bottom Line NYC in 1978, but I don't remember the sound being anywhere near as good as that tape.) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 16 13:32:44 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:32:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures In-Reply-To: <200003161827.NAA14496@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hi At 13:26 16.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: >>btw: This gig is for sure NOT from Hammy Odeon 05.10.76 !!!! > >Well, what the hell was I thinking believing the liner notes?!! :) >So is it Colston Hall, Bristol UK September 27, 1976? YESSS !! Bernhard From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Thu Mar 16 13:50:44 2000 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:50:44 +0000 Subject: BOC in Classic Rock mag In-Reply-To: <002301bf8f69$0b0e7c60$679401d4@stuartha> Message-ID: Zeitgeist wrote: >There's 4 pages on the 'new' compilation in the latest issue of Classic Rock >(UK). Bucks guide to the songs therein, plus the worst picture of the man >himself ever, replete with gold lame cap sleeved T shirt! Awful picture! The review of the new compilation is pretty poor too. And they dissed the new Uriah Heep live album. :( -np : Jon Lord - Before I Forget -- | Tim Hall, timjh at compuserve.com | http://www.kalyr.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 16 13:52:07 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:52:07 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: I wrote: "Hassan, with Simon House, and they _left it off?_ In favour of what? Ggrrrr!!! I'd love to hear a really good live recording of that track, with House on violin." - OTOH, to see SH playing violin on it, I'd also have to watch someone else sing it. I'm afraid that over the years I've come to the conclusion that no-one but Calvert can carry a Calvert song. I just get the strong feeling whenever I hear someone else sing his songs, that they've learned the words, but they don't really 'get' them. Oddly, it even seems to apply to Sonic Attack, which Calvert didn't even write. Calvert sounded totally compelling and menacing. Everyone rendition I've heard of it by someone else just sounds silly. I could imagine Richard Burton or John Hurt maybe pulling it off... or even... maybe... (having just watched 'Dark City') Richard O'Brien (was anyone else waiting for him to break into 'The Time Warp' during that film?)) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 16 14:00:00 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:00:00 -0800 Subject: BOC: HW: in Record Collector magazine Message-ID: The latest issue of the UK 'Record Collector' magazine (Stones on the cover) includes, in the reviews section - The new BOC comp (a favorable review that actually seems pretty intelligent, with good comments on the music) The Rockin' Vicars CD (which means that, except for the Opal Butterfly single [I have the "Gigging Song"/"Groupie Girl" 7" and it isn't very good], all of Lemmy's pre-Hawkwind career is available on CD - cool!) The Bronze Years compilation CD (the review calls "Shot Down In The Night" a "trippy masterpiece") -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 16 14:06:22 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:06:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: '90's vs '80's Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:53 -0800, "John H. McCartney" wrote: >>The Wipers - started as a punk band in the late 70s, but the title track of >>their second album, 'Youth of America' is an amazing piece of minimalist >>blanga. Reissued on Sub Pop, I'm pretty certain. > >Well, some of it anyway, along with Greg Sage's solo stuff. > >I used to see these guys in tiny clubs in 78/79 in Portland (OR), and >they always put on an awesome show. I'm jealous! >I've got their first single I'm even more jealous! (at least I have it on tape) >and first >album, which as far as I can tell have never been rereleased. I think I >saw one track from the first album on a compilation. The first album is *definitely* one that was reissued on Sub Pop. It was also repressed a couple times in the 80s, first by Psycho Records in the UK (who also reissued High Tide, The Deviants, and other cool Hawkwind-related stuff) and later by some German label (the one I have - they used the same pressing plates as the Psycho version). The first 7" has, sadly, never been reissued, although the A-side was on the 'Best of the Wipers' comp on Restless. I'm not positive if 'Youth of America' is currently available in reissue form, but that's the *really* good one IMO. Highly recommended to Hawkwind fans ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 16 14:22:46 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:22:46 -0800 Subject: NIK: LA Show Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:28:52 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >Then 5:15 came on ... By the time of the concert, I >seriously had my doubts; Doug's friend Doug kept turning to me, saying >"Spinal Tap". Exactly. Finnish pop-psyche style. Somehow they reminded me of circa 1973 Who meets circa 1973 Genesis - sort of prog-pop with enough arenarock/Spinal Tap-isms to indicate they *had* to be a non-US/UK band. No American band could pull that off non-ironically these days. >Nik came out during the last couple tunes to play sax. I thought Nik was excellent on the tunes with 5:15. And his own set (backed by Farflung plus Len Del Rio and Doran Shelley of Pressurehed) was great, although essentially the same set I've seen him to a few times before by now (but I'm not complaining!). My friend Doug is a bit of a joker, and the "Spinal Tap" comment sounds *exactly* like something he'd say. He's not a spacerock fan and said he wasn't that impressed with Nik's backing band (not his cuppa tea). However, he really liked Nik and definitely understood why so many of us regard him so highly as a frontman/character/personality. Although contrary to the opinion of most folks on the list, he hated Nik's flute playing (admitting to an anti-flute bias), but loved his sax playing, both with 5:15 and with the Space Ritual band. Always nice to see peoples' reaction to music that I know and love, but they aren't familiar with. We had a similar situation at Doug's house while having a couple beers before the show when I put on Dead Moon's live album that made Chuck start pouding his drinks down 'cause that's what REAL rock&roll makes you wanna do ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 16 14:51:40 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:51:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <000001bd1686$ce1eddc0$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: Hi At 00:28 1.1.1998 -0700, you wrote: >> The played longer. Here is the track list: >> >> Please notice that they played ASSAULT and GOLDEN VOID twice this evening. >> The encore version of these songs was used for the video. >Was there any difference musically between the beginning and the encore ? Not to much. But I think that Dave was not satisfied how the set started (you know Dave. He always tries to be perfect) so he used the encore versions for the video btw: It was the very 1st time HW played a song 2 times in one show And the TREAD MILL version is the best I know. Dave and Bridgett singing together!!! Bernhard From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Thu Mar 16 15:14:49 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: Tim Gadd wrote: I've come to the conclusion that >no-one but Calvert can carry a Calvert song. I just get the strong feeling >whenever I hear someone else sing his songs, that they've learned the words, >but they don't really 'get' them. Oddly, it even seems to apply to Sonic >Attack, which Calvert didn't even write. Calvert sounded totally compelling >and menacing. Similarly, I don't think Calvert sounded right doing non-calvert songs, Brainstorm for example. Regarding Sonic Attack, I think the 'Live 1997' version with Ron Tree is the best I've heard for ages. Ron also sounded VERY menacing doing 'Wage War' at the Carleen Eclipse party. All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Mar 16 16:42:25 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:42:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue Message-ID: just bought a vid of the aforementioned "movie" I cringe heavily when Ronnie James Dio either a) yelps at inappropriate yelping times and b) says "allright!" His shirt reminds me of something I once saw in early Procol harum promo shots where the band wears odd "hippy" (haha) costumes, like pointed boots Good BOC when they're splice into the film though. I dig the extrapercussiony Dr Music though. I dig the "over the shoulder" view of Allans piano solo in Roadhouse Blues. What a strange video, not to mention tour package. The styles of "metal" each band represents do not exactly make cozy bedfellows. BOC was a fast moving darkness that you couldnt quite get a hold of entirely that desceneded from the skies and bursting out of stomachs. Black Sabbath (at least on this incarnation w/dio) were rumbling leviathans across the tundra with a warbling guy. What scares me is that "George Harrison" appears in the credits in a producing capacity. If it really was the famouse one, he coulve joined joined BOC and done "What is OD' on Life (Itself)" uh huh harvest of limbs, of arms and of Jason From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Mar 16 17:19:39 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:19:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue vid question Message-ID: Odd, I just watched it all and I either over-fastforwarded the Black Sabbath parts or my "copy" *in all sensees of the word, though the footage was pretty crisp)* didn't have the Marshall Plan segment. Could anyone tell me, who has it, where it's supposed to be? Also, for shock value, the businessmen who slapped the tape togethe for some reason also included "MEtal Church" concert footage. To use adorno's aesthetic theory term -- shudder Jason From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 16 16:35:15 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:35:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Motley Fool advises Ozzy ;-) Message-ID: I thought this was pretty funny. A recent e-mail newsletter from The Motley Fool (finance/investment chaps) name drops Ozzy Osbourne: >>>>> Now, think about that. If famed rock 'n' roller Ozzy Osbourne would have started a DRIP plan during his salad days with Black Sabbath, building his savings as he went along instead of blowing it all on booze, drugs and bad investment deals, he might not have had to have a prolonged solo career into his 50s and later a Sabbath reunion just to keep his bank account in the black. In fact, we recommend all heavy-metal stars set up their DRIP automatic payment plans today. <<<<< I guess that advice also holds for Hawkwind and Lemmy. In fact, maybe if Dave had got his DRIPs going in the early daze, he could afford to be more choosy about what gets released in the "collector's series..." >;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Hawkwind, _Tales From the Atomhenge_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 16 17:24:25 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:24:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: '90's vs '80's In-Reply-To: <200003160122.RAA29735@bob.te-cats.com> Message-ID: I actually got into these guys when The Nomads (obBOC: who recorded a BOC cover under the name "the Screamin' Diz-Busters") covered the tune "Better Off Dead". If you could bronze a tune, and then stick it in the eye of the Rock N ROll Hall of Fame, they should do it with that incredibly catchy little piece of punk. Steve On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:22:53PM -0800, John H. McCartney wrote: > >The Wipers - started as a punk band in the late 70s, but the title track of > >their second album, 'Youth of America' is an amazing piece of minimalist > >blanga. Reissued on Sub Pop, I'm pretty certain. > > Well, some of it anyway, along with Greg Sage's solo stuff. > > I used to see these guys in tiny clubs in 78/79 in Portland (OR), and > they always put on an awesome show. I've got their first single and first > album, which as far as I can tell have never been rereleased. I think I > saw one track from the first album on a compilation. > > Any Wipers fans could probably bribe me for a copy..... :) > > > scorch From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Mar 16 17:24:30 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:24:30 -0800 Subject: OFF (and HW): Chickens and Roads Message-ID: Gods, I died over this one! I forwarded it to a friend, who came up with a few more, not all prog related..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- how about these... Greg Lake chicken - got halfway across the road and realized how hungry he was. Devoured himself while crooning c'est la vie. Fripp chicken - got most of the way across then realized someone had been taking photos and videotaping his progress. Stopped in his tracks muttering about vampiric relationships and was run over by a VW bus crammed full of recording equipment speeding to the next Phish gig. Phil Collins chicken - started off with purpose but 3/4 of the way through laid down and exposed himself to any car that paid real money. AC/DC chicken - began strutting across the road 25 years ago screaming, 'balls, balls, balls'...hasn't moved an inch. Henry Rollins chicken - crosses to the middle of the road, throws himself in front of any car that gets too close. Eloy chicken - crosses first 3rd of the road disguised as the jethro tull chicken, the second 3rd as the pink floyd chicken, the final 3rd as itself but nobody cares anymore. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 17 00:52:08 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:52:08 -0800 Subject: Ref:Brock Message-ID: I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, but it's really cool to hear the hard evidence of that. I like both this "Neu" version and the "punky" Hawklords version (from the Weird tape) far more than the "official" one on 'PXR5'. I did an interview with Tim Blake back in '79 for our store magazine 'Who Cares' and during that, Brock also revealed a passion for the music of Cosmic Jokers and Eloy, too. The guy's got taste!!! Andy G. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Mar 16 17:49:55 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:49:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Black and Blue Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > What scares me is that "George Harrison" appears in the credits in a > producing capacity. If it really was the famouse one, he coulve joined > joined BOC and done "What is OD' on Life (Itself)" uh huh > Different George Harrison. He was a video maker in the early 80s, now RIP. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Mar 16 19:09:48 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:09:48 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work (re)visited and having a cup of tea Message-ID: Thanks for posting Albert on the Black and Blue thing, it reminded me I wanted to write what was going through my head lilstening to Piece of Work in the car all day for the past 3 days. I have come to a conclusion that fer me at least, PoW works like a concept album, in the best possible sense. "Piece" although not directly a thingamajig of linear connective tissue, strikes me as a retelling of "moments of the day" -- the passage of the sun and all beneath it in "biloxi", to "rain rains" rememberance/regretting of things past, "ON the raod again's" surreal retelling of a displaced wandering cross the highways and the oddness of people. Keepin' with the temporal theme is obviously "alpha and Omega" however, the neat thing botu that one is the line "you can't get there from here" fits in wonderfully if one pauses to regard time as a one way street where the reminscence of good times cannot be driectly achieved and re-experienced by us mortal hot dog men. Capping it off, and not wanting to go to the car to make this missive full o' verbal goodness and/or torture, 'Pink Roses" that each has its own cosmology points to the particularities o' the day and moments, in that they engross us. "work" reads to me like the survival of the "of" in the title if one wants to think of "of" as being broken byt the man at an occupation or some other despiriting event, whose presence and departure is marked by the grim, but fun "Rock and Roll is Dead"... Taking a tip of the hat from Augustine, "Confession #9" is the opportunity for recuperating made manifest (not to mention the bells fitting nicely with the churchy philosophical reference in this sentence). Simple man (which i heard the Skynyrd version on the radiop today, does not shine as brightly) make the dialogue of rememberance of sagaicty from loved ones, and the hope of fulfulling their/your aspirations in life audible. most overt reference to the "subtitle of the disc:" is Comeptition and burnin' in its heat. And when all is said and done,trial and tribulationwise ,after you've been "lost" and made the trip down victory boulevard, "The lady of the Harbor" waits to take you back home, in the spiritual sense. ONce there, the appreciatio of the day can begin anew in Biloxi or as a fond addition to ones history as this scratchiness of the reprise could be said to convey. With that, I will refuse to edit the above text for ease of reading, you can blame the fact I'm blasting "Over the Top" off of Best of Hawkwind F&R which I bought for 8 bucks. Yay. (and now to close by paraphrasing) two beers if I knew what I was thinkin', Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 16 18:59:23 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:59:23 GMT Subject: Ref:Brock In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:52:08 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > I did an interview with Tim Blake back in '79 for our store magazine > 'Who Cares' and during that, Brock also revealed a passion for the music > of Cosmic Jokers and Eloy, too. The guy's got taste!!! I think I must have read that back then. It started me collecting Eloy stuff. > Andy G. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 16 07:56:40 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:56:40 -0500 Subject: HW: technique (was: '80's sound...) In-Reply-To: <200003151631.LAA29285@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 11.29 -0500 00-03-15, K Henderson wrote: >his guitar leads >(when he does decide to play them) work fabulously, like on that 1989 tour I >was talking about earlier. Oh yeah, and of course, rhythm guitar is always >more important, and he's not too shabby at that either. :) Brock's guitar instincts were top-notch in that '89 and early 90s period. On disc, the Out of the Shadows > Snake Dance > Night of the Hawks medley on _California Brainstorm_. Pure god-dom. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 16 07:59:54 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:59:54 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound In-Reply-To: <001301bf8efd$811d14a0$9541fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: At 20.09 -0800 00-03-15, JOHN M GRAY wrote: >It is undeniable that Brock is HW, and I am one of their biggest fans, but >it is also undeniable that Brock has had a tendency to "noodle" with his >guitar work in recent years. I find myself wishing they would back off the >synths and "just play yur guitar" Forever and ever. Amen. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 16 17:56:43 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:56:43 +0000 Subject: BOC in Classic Rock mag In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:50 16.03.2000 +0000, Tim Hall wrote: >And they dissed the new Uriah Heep live album. :( > Can't be all bad then *GRINNZ* Sorry, couldn't resist! ChrisW NP:Radio3 "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 16 19:52:41 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:52:41 +0000 Subject: BOC Heaven Forbid cover art (was OFF: now 90s v. 80s) In-Reply-To: <1snHONmqdkOvhLlSWHbgtlcdYUSU@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Tim Hall wrote: > Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >I hate that cover too and was also turned down, at first, but didn't resist > >very long before buying the album :-) I personally thought it was pretty > >damn good, though certainly not their best effort. In any case, it should > >also be noted that the European cover is VERY different. Damn, wish I stil > >had that scan. A friend in France send it to me, and it looks more like a > >Fantasy kind of cover. Really cool art. > > Isn't that picture on the inside of the jewel case on the US releases > as well? My UK release has got the US 'melting face' cover on the > lyric booklet, with the 'high priestess of chronos' cover as a > seperate insert over the top, so we've actually got both. The UK version is slightly different however; the US `melting face' is slightly more developed and has a harpe glinting in the centre of the good eye; the UK version doesn't have the harpe so you can't use it as a proper BOC cover and have to put up with Gaia, who quite frankly isn't my type. Not that the geezer with his face off is, obviously, but you get my point. I hope. Um. Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Mar 16 20:26:02 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:26:02 -0000 Subject: HW:/OFF: '80's sound Message-ID: >At 20.09 -0800 00-03-15, JOHN M GRAY wrote: >>It is undeniable that Brock is HW, and I am one of their biggest fans, but >>it is also undeniable that Brock has had a tendency to "noodle" with his >>guitar work in recent years. I find myself wishing they would back off the >>synths and "just play yur guitar" > >Forever and ever. Amen. > and get simon house in permanently to play violin and synths! colm From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Mar 16 21:29:32 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:29:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures/ NEU In-Reply-To: <200003161827.NAA14496@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > > >I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, > >Well, didn't he write liner notes for the UK (?) release of Neu!? I think I >read that somewhere. well i asked dave once about this. and he confirmed that he DID NOT write those liner notes on the neu sleeve. in fact he didn't care about neu at all. he doesn't know who did write the sleevenotes. regards andre b.t.w. i have this record !! From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 16 23:45:05 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:45:05 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: At 03:14 PM 3/16/00 -0500, Michael Crook wrote: >Tim Gadd wrote: > >I've come to the conclusion that >>no-one but Calvert can carry a Calvert song. I just get the strong feeling >>whenever I hear someone else sing his songs, that they've learned the words, >>but they don't really 'get' them. Oddly, it even seems to apply to Sonic >>Attack, which Calvert didn't even write. Calvert sounded totally compelling >>and menacing. > >Similarly, I don't think Calvert sounded right doing non-calvert songs, Brainstorm for example. Whereas I don't think Calvert sounded 100% right doing Brainstorm, I still think he sounded closer to right than, let's say Alan Davey doing Hassan. I guess it's a subjective thing, based largely on what one thinks the singer understands about the song. Whereas I'm pretty sure that Calvert might know what it's like to have a 'Brainstorm' of the sort Nik seemed to be describing, I'm less convinced that Alan understood whatever the connections were that Calvert had in his head between an eleventh century Persian assassin master, modern terrorism, and OPEC. I don't blame him, because I'm not sure I do, either :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 17 03:30:12 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:30:12 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: >Similarly, I don't think Calvert sounded right doing non-calvert songs, Brainstorm for example. >Regarding Sonic Attack, I think the 'Live 1997' >version with Ron Tree is the best I've heard for ages. If that is Ron reading it on the Love in Space 3-track, I agree, though I still don't think it's particularly effective. It sounds kinda like a cross between Johnny Rotten and Vincent Price to me. Some of the most effective parts of Calver's delivery were when he went right down to a sort of slurred muttering. Everyone else seems to try to do it like a sideshow host trying to rope in customers. Also, I strongly maintain that that poem DOES NOT WORK AT ALL with any sort of 'music' behind it, especially not with drumming. It needs a sparse, nearly empty soundscape; the odd squawk from an audio generator. Except I suppose nowdays someone would have to programme something to squawk at exactly 38 seconds into the performance. Geez, I'm sounding like a bit of a 70's Hawkwind purist today, aren't I? :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 17 03:36:19 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:36:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: I should add that one the one person other than Calvert who I do think has the knack for being a little menacing, and has a good sense of theatre is Harvey. As a matter of fact, his 'Dream Worker' has always been, for me, extremely disturbing for some reason. I don;t mean the lyrics Nik reads about The Joker turning you round and so on, but the synth intro with that voice that says 'Orbital status now maintained'. I can't tell you why, but I find that section deeply unsettling for some reason. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 17 06:15:03 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:15:03 +1100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: At 07:02 PM 3/16/00 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hi > >At 12:15 15.3.2000 -0800, you wrote: >>My other question for the day is if the version of "Back on the >Streets" >includes the verse missing from the studio version? > >There is a cut at the beginning of this song. On the originally tape you >can hear that the guitar-riff started and then stopped after a couple of >seconds Re. the original studio version of this song - I've always wondered whether it might have been Rudolph playing rythm guitar there. I can't explain why exactly; it just has a different feel to it for some reason; just sounds Fairies-ish. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Fri Mar 17 08:38:16 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 05:38:16 -0800 Subject: NIK,OFF: Farflung CD Message-ID: For those of you still trying to get the evidently-already-out-of-print new Farflung CD, _The Belief Module_, I ordered it from http://www.cdnow.com earlier this week, and, according to their web site, it shipped yesterday. So it's still available. I'll try to post a review next week. Always check with http://www.useacoupon.com before ordering from CDNow or any of the other big players, like Amazon or B&N. I used a $10 coupon from that site for this CD. MWood NP: _Waterfall Cities_ - Ozric Tentacles --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Mar 17 09:30:54 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:30:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: >btw: It was the very 1st time HW played a song 2 times in one show >And the TREAD MILL version is the best I know. Dave and Bridgett singing >together!!! > I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard, but didn't they play Ejection twice at the Calvert memorial gig at Brixton? Nick From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 17 05:43:49 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:43:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: Hello Bernhard wrote: >>> Please notice that they played ASSAULT and GOLDEN VOID twice this evening. The encore version of these songs was used for the video. btw: It was the very 1st time HW played a song 2 times in one show. Don't think it was the first time, didn't the band play Ejection twice at the Calvert tribute in 1989? And the TREAD MILL version is the best I know. Dave and Bridgett singing together!!! Certainly is a terrific version. Infact, the Nottingham TV show saw IMHO, Bridgett at her finest. Regards Age From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Fri Mar 17 14:47:29 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:47:29 -0000 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: To all, A few decades ago I recall borrowing from a friend a Hawkwind novel where the band battled some bad vibe dudes using sonic projectors or some such. Anyway I can't remember the name of the book or the author, I was wondering if any member of this esteemed group also recalls such a thing if they could fill in the blanks, since I would very much like to get my hands on said item. 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All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Mar 17 15:51:54 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:51:54 +0100 Subject: Ref:Brock Message-ID: Hello all, Of course Dave is a NEU fan,bought the UK pressing of the first album some 2 months ago and it has liner notes on the back from Dave.I already had the 3 NEU albums original from some 25 years in German pressing. Ron Tree asked me some 3 years ago to copy them on tape,because Dave told him about it.So I think he still likes it.So do I.I remember when first hearing that stuff it was like frontal lobotomy !! Does anyone know the solo-albums the guitar player Michael Rother from NEU did ? Real good stuff. Michael Rother also played with Kraftwerk and Harmonia. For more info on Harmonia,ask me. best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: Ref:Brock > I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, > but it's really cool to hear the hard evidence of that. I like both > this > "Neu" version and the "punky" Hawklords version (from the Weird tape) > far > more than the "official" one on 'PXR5'. > > I did an interview with Tim Blake back in '79 for our store magazine > 'Who Cares' and during that, Brock also revealed a passion for the music > of Cosmic Jokers and Eloy, too. The guy's got taste!!! > Andy G. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 17 16:58:55 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:58:55 PST Subject: No subject Message-ID: ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 17 17:39:36 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:39:36 PST Subject: Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence Message-ID: I saw a used copy of Ozric Tentacles "Arborescence" at a record store in St. Augustine for $8.99. I'll be going back there at the beginning of next week. Anyone need it. Mail me off list. You pay postage. Darrin dmckeehen at hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Mar 17 17:41:18 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:41:18 -0000 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: Time of the Hawklords (Michael Butterworth) Queens of Deleria (ditto) Ledge of Darkness (comic) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel.kew To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 7:47 PM Subject: HW novel To all, A few decades ago I recall borrowing from a friend a Hawkwind novel where the band battled some bad vibe dudes using sonic projectors or some such. Anyway I can't remember the name of the book or the author, I was wondering if any member of this esteemed group also recalls such a thing if they could fill in the blanks, since I would very much like to get my hands on said item. Doc (crawling back to lurkdom once again) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Mar 17 18:04:43 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:04:43 -0500 Subject: HW novel In-Reply-To: <013201bf9061$ea0b4da0$a8c0a8c0@hudson>; from kevin.perry@VIRGIN.NET on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:41:18PM -0000 Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:41:18PM -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: > Time of the Hawklords (Michael Butterworth) Listing Butterworth as the only author is both correct and misleading :-/ The book says "Moorcock and Butterworth" on the cover. Moorcock's contribution was minimal, though; they were using his name *without* permission, presumably to increase sales. But you have to look for the book in the "M" bins. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 16 18:16:07 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:16:07 -0500 Subject: HW novel In-Reply-To: <003b01bf9049$bc8972c0$3229fc3e@default> Message-ID: At 07:47 PM 3/17/2000 -0000, nigel.kew wrote: > To all, A few decades ago I recall borrowing from a friend a >Hawkwind novel where the band battled some bad vibe dudes using sonic >projectors or some such. Anyway I can't remember the name of the book or >the author, I was wondering if any member of this esteemed group also >recalls such a thing if they could fill in the blanks, since I would very >much like to get my hands on said item. Doc (crawling back to lurkdom "Time of the Hawklords", by Michael Butterworth. Some versions also credit Mike Moorcock, but the probably should say only "based on an idea by" not "by" next to his name. Also, "Queens of Deleria" or something like that, sequel. I've got both lying around here somewhere. They're not that good, if not for the HW interest I wouldn't bother keeping them. There was supposed to be a 3rd, "Ledge of Darkness", got somewhat done as a comic book and now maybe a future HW project if some rumors are true... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Mar 17 18:52:13 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:52:13 -0700 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <20000317083618.DLEQ10269.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: I recorded roughly that part of "Dream Worker" (from "Navigational Computer reports..." to " "The Tube is now ready") for my computer's start-up sounds... and it puts me right in the mood. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http:\\members.home.net\novadrive > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tim Gadd > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 1:36 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Live Legends gig > > > I should add that one the one person other than Calvert who I do think has > the knack for being a little menacing, and has a good sense of theatre is > Harvey. As a matter of fact, his 'Dream Worker' has always been, for me, > extremely disturbing for some reason. I don;t mean the lyrics Nik reads > about The Joker turning you round and so on, but the synth intro with that > voice that says 'Orbital status now maintained'. I can't tell you > why, but I > find that section deeply unsettling for some reason. > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 17 19:50:54 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:50:54 -0800 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: I have to say that I've liked a number of the renditions of Calvert songs by other singers in Hawkwind ... "Reefer Madness" with Bridget, "Damnation Alley" with Alan, "Kadu Flyer" with Nik, "Silver Machine" with Lemmy (OK, maybe that's not a fair example!), and most everything with Ron (esp. the 'Capt. Lockheed' material) ... although some have been merely acceptable/competent (Harvey's "Death Trap", Dave's "Q,S & C") and some I *do* dislike (Alan's "Ejection", Dave's "Spirit of the Age"). On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:30:12 +1100, Tim Gadd wrote: >>Regarding Sonic Attack, I think the 'Live 1997' >>version with Ron Tree is the best I've heard for ages. > >If that is Ron reading it on the Love in Space 3-track, I agree, though I >still don't think it's particularly effective. It sounds kinda like a cross >between Johnny Rotten and Vincent Price to me. I'm pretty certain that version (on the LiS CDEP) is a tape of Bob's voice (circa 77/78) with new music overdubbed. I could be wrong, but the voice doesn't sound like Ron's rendition from live shows/tapes. That being said, I think that both Ron and Nik have done great versions of "Sonic Attack". >Also, I strongly maintain that that poem DOES NOT WORK >AT ALL with any sort of 'music' behind it, I'll agree with the people that have expressed dislike for the early-80s version. That one does not work at all for me either. >especially not with drumming. I'd modify that to say "especially not with drums playing a beat." I think that the occasional drum roll or cymbal crash/wash to accent pertinent spots in the poem works very well, but any attempt at putting a steady beat to it sounds awful. >It needs a sparse, nearly empty soundscape; the odd squawk from an audio >generator. It should *start* very sparsely, but should evolve from faint white noise ("you will hear a distant hissing in your ear") to a brutal, bludgeoning racket ("you will feel the need to vomit ... there will be bleeding from orifices") at the appropriate moments. But definitely nothing that could be construed as a "real" note or chord. >Except I suppose nowdays someone would have to programme >something to squawk at exactly 38 seconds into the performance. I'm with you there, although I believe that this comment is less true for the current lineup than it was 5 or 10 years ago ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 17 22:01:29 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:01:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures/ NEU Message-ID: Andre said... >> >I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, >> >>Well, didn't he write liner notes for the UK (?) release of Neu!? I think I >>read that somewhere. > >well i asked dave once about this. >and he confirmed that he DID NOT write those liner notes on the neu sleeve. >in fact he didn't care about neu at all. > >he doesn't know who did write the sleevenotes. but then Filip said... >Of course Dave is a NEU fan,bought the UK pressing >of the first album some 2 months ago and it has liner notes >on the back from Dave.I already had the 3 NEU albums >original from some 25 years in German pressing. >Ron Tree asked me some 3 years ago to copy them on >tape,because Dave told him about it.So I think he still >likes it. I have the boot CD's of Neu! and Neu! 75 that Germanofon made years ago, a 'label' now defunct and long OOP. When the hell these will be officially released is a damn good question that nobody is answering. Ken Matsutani re-released the two La D?sseldorf albums on CD and the spotty Neu! 4 thing (and some other Dinger solo works), but not the 'important' ones IMHO. >Does anyone know the solo-albums the guitar player >Michael Rother from NEU did ? Real good stuff. (For US'ers who don't want to shell out import prices, Cleopatra/PP released a compilation CD of Rother's solo material 'Chronicles' I think.) As far as the liner notes goes....OK, so which was it?!? :) I'm inclined to believe Filip, esp. if he's got a copy where Dave Brock is given as the writer of said liner notes. Perhaps Dave has simply forgotten that he's a Neu! fan. :) Of course, knowing full well that things written on liner notes aren't always entirely accurate (see Thrilling HW Adventures misinformed gig date....but hey, all the track titles are spelled correctly! A first!), maybe someone was speaking in Dave's behalf. But who, then? Well, anyway, I was just listening to Valium 10 today (a track I never liked much, I guess because the synth sounds too goofy) and thinking maybe that was another tune developed after spinning Neu! somewhere in Ladbroke Grove. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 17 22:07:16 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:07:16 -0500 Subject: NIK,OFF: Farflung CD Message-ID: Marshall Planned... >For those of you still trying to get the evidently-already-out-of-print new >Farflung CD, _The Belief Module_, I ordered it from http://www.cdnow.com earlier >this week, and, according to their web site, it shipped yesterday. So it's still >available. Well, that's good to hear. I guess the Bad Acid guy didn't run off with them all then. Best get yours now, though. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Any word on the release of The Myth of Solid Ground? I've got it on CD-R via Tommy himself and at the time, he said it would be released on Big Jesus, a little indie label (vinyl?) that have done some FF/PH 7"'s in the past I think, but have heard zero on the issue since SD'99. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 00:57:25 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:57:25 +1100 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: At 07:47 PM 3/17/00 -0000, nigel.kew wrote: >To all, > >A few decades ago I recall borrowing from a friend a Hawkwind novel where the band battled some bad vibe dudes using sonic projectors or some such. Anyway I can't remember the name of the book or the author, I was wondering if any member of this esteemed group also recalls such a thing if they could fill in the blanks, since I would very much like to get my hands on said item. I wouldn't normally use the list for purposes such as this, but if you are after Queens of Deliria, I have a copy for auction ebay, with about a day left on it http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=279535073 Sorry, this list set-up doesn;t seem to allow responding by email, or I would have kept it off the list. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 01:04:31 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:04:31 +1100 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: >Also, "Queens of Deleria" or something like that, sequel. I've >got both lying around here somewhere. They're not that good, if not >for the HW interest I wouldn't bother keeping them. You know, I disagree. When they first came out I enjoyed them a lot, but even at age 13 I had the nagging feeling that they weren't exactly 'serious literature'. Re-reading them (at least the seond one) at age 36 I loved it. It's a supremely ridiculous book, and if you lose all concerns about whether it's 'good literature', it's just great fun. How can you not like a story where the bad guys are harley-riding cops, straight out of 'Electra-Glide in Blue', who shoot innocent civilians with guns that play Elton John songs? I had a ball re-reading it. I remember the first one as being better at the time, and I haven;t read the third. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 01:15:22 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:15:22 +1100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig Message-ID: At 04:50 PM 3/17/00 -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: >expressed are those indicating other singers who sang Calvert songs.> > >I have to say that I've liked a number of the renditions of Calvert songs >by other singers in Hawkwind ... > >"Reefer Madness" with Bridget, >"Damnation Alley" with Alan, >"Kadu Flyer" with Nik, Kadu flyer is a Bob-song? Ok, I'm pretty confused about this track. I just checked my CD and was surprised to find it didn't have composer credits, and I've sold my vinyl version, but my memory is that it was attributed to Rudolph/Mendlkau. On the tape Bob Calvert sent me, he remarked that Jamie Mendelkau was a Canadian writer who was a friend of his (I can't remember the context of this, and can't look it up, because Knut Gewers never returned the tape when I lent it to him for his Calvert site). However, on the tape which Nik made for me in 1984 he basically says that _he_ wrote Kadu Flyer and that it was incorrectly attributed to someone else on the label. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Mar 18 02:30:32 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:30:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures/ NEU Message-ID: Sorry dre, I think Dave was pulling you a leg,because we talked about it and he told Ron there and then,he should get a copy of all 3 albums and I made the offer to Ron to do them,witch I did. I even think it was at a concert we were together but you were talking to Richard,if my memory works in proper order. greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: cosmos To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 3:29 AM Subject: Re: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures/ NEU > > > > >I'd known for some time that Brock was a Neu fan, > > > >Well, didn't he write liner notes for the UK (?) release of Neu!? I think I > >read that somewhere. > > well i asked dave once about this. > and he confirmed that he DID NOT write those liner notes on the neu sleeve. > in fact he didn't care about neu at all. > > he doesn't know who did write the sleevenotes. > > regards > > andre > > b.t.w. i have this record !! From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 05:04:14 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:04:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker, to give away. Message-ID: I have the first Widowmaker album 'Too Late to Cry'. I've had it for years, I really hate it, and I'm sick of seeing it around the place. I'll give it away if someone wants it, provided they take care of the postage (bear in mind if you live outside Australia this will be a fair bit) It's in pretty indifferent condition, but if you're a HW completist, maybe you'll want it. Email me if you do, at fluke at southcom.com.au -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 05:37:29 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:37:29 +1100 Subject: HW: good press Message-ID: Just in case anyone keeps an archive of such things, and these aren't in it, I just discovered two old copies of NME which might be of interest November 6 1976 (Review of 'Astounding Sounds' and gig review of Hawkwind/Tiger at Hammersmith Odeon) July 9 1977 (review of Quark, and gig review of Hawkwind/Bethnal at Manchester Palace. (also has Calvert's Idi Amin poem in it FWIW) What's rather remarkable is that the reviews are all basically positive, most of them highly so. I also have rave reviews of Live 79 and Levitiation from Australian music press at the time (these were printed in the Bazooka, I think), and somewhere the 1980 edition of Sounds which called Levitiation 'album of the year'. Willing to write these up or scan if anyone needs them for some reason ('cept the Sounds one, which is missing at the moment) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 18 04:25:04 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:25:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Thrilling HW Adventures Message-ID: Hello Mick wrote: >I wonder if there are studio versions of 'Time for Sale' and 'Uncle Sam's on Mars' lying buried in the vaults. I once read that the band had a surplus of recorded material available for ASAM, and had difficulty in deciding what tracks to leave off. All the best Mick. There certainly is a studio version of "Time For Sale", albeit in demo version. I heard this and a few other demo tracks from 1976 a few years back and they were far superior to what was played on the Astounding tour. Time For Sale was twice as fast, rocking and with Bob in full flight on vocals. Supreme recording, though sadly only heard it on very basic speakers. All the best Age > > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Mar 18 06:25:25 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:25:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <003501bf901d$c1fb81c0$4944a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: Hi At 14:30 17.3.2000 +0000, you wrote: >I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong Bernhard, but didn't >they play Ejection twice at the Calvert memorial gig at Brixton? Of course you are right. EJECTION was indeed played twice this evening But (to my relief) please notice that the encore version of EJECTION was played with a different lineup cheers Bernhard From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Mar 17 19:19:08 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:19:08 -0000 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: > There was supposed to be a 3rd, "Ledge of Darkness", got somewhat done > as a comic book and now maybe a future HW project if some rumors are > true... I've got QoD and LoD - and found TotH in my library some years ago...truly awful books, and the artwork for LoD could be better (to put it mildly), but I keep them for the HW value. LoD is credited 'Michael Butterworth - initial script', 'Bob Walker - plot hijack and artwork'. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 08:03:26 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:03:26 +1100 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: At 12:19 AM 3/18/00 -0000, Kevin Perry wrote: >I've got QoD and LoD - and found TotH in my library some years ago...truly >awful books, Truly awful? You've got to be kidding! How can you not love passages like these: "The watching Hawklords shot startled looks at each other. Before they could react, the alien music was upon them, blaring insanely out. Its throbbing waves beat at their bodies, clubbing them as though with physical blows. It pounded into their heads from the tape recorder, tearing apart their brain cells. It made them feel sick and peirced their skin with needles of sound. They began falling from their starstreakers, unable to maintain their co-orindation. All three tape recorders were now being played, and at the edges of their departing senses the Hawklords recognized the strains of the rival pop songs: 'Nights in White Satin' by The Moody Blues; Sounds of Silence, by Simon and Garfunkel; Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen... all mixed in a clashing, roaring, dissolving mass that grew louder and tore them apart. 'We've... got ... to... stop... them!' Thunder Rider gasped in horror. " Don't tell me that a band who can write lyrics like those on Chronicle of the Black Sword deserve anything less silly than this. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 18 09:35:43 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:35:43 +0800 Subject: Silver Machines In-Reply-To: <20000311135020.MBW18963.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: > Ok, that leads me to another question, which should probably be a seperate > post, but in any case here it is: is there a song which you particularly > wish HW wouldn't play in concert? For me it's definately be Sonic > Attack. I > just don;t think anyone but Calvert can even come nearto pulling it off. > Everyone else's readings of it which I've heard have sounded pretty lame, > and that 'musical' version of it they were doing in the early > 80's was just > horrible. All IMVHO. I don't mind one or two of the versions of Sonic Attack performed by others, but I really like the version by Calvert which I presume is through a megaphone. The one song I still hate though is Love in Space, although I do like the middle bit that they do live. But the actual song itself seems out-of-place for HW, I feel. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 18 10:07:25 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:07:25 +0800 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <000001bd1686$ce1eddc0$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: > > Please notice that they played ASSAULT and GOLDEN VOID twice > this evening. > > The encore version of these songs was used for the video. > > > > > > Bernhard > > > Was there any difference musically between the beginning and the > encore, or > maybe it just filmed better? > And did they film more than what is on video? Also, as this was released on Laser Disk, wouldn't it be a good idea to release it (and ALL the others) on DVD! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 18 10:20:28 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:20:28 +0800 Subject: HW novel In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000316181607.007f8810@flite.net> Message-ID: > There was supposed to be a 3rd, "Ledge of Darkness", got somewhat done > as a comic book and now maybe a future HW project if some rumors are > true... > This one was part of the 25 Years On box set from Griffin. William From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Mar 18 11:57:54 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:57:54 -0000 Subject: HW novel Message-ID: OK, I admit it - I like the books :-) Even though the quality of the writing does make me cringe every time I read it. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Sat Mar 18 12:05:37 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:05:37 -0600 Subject: NIK,OFF: Farflung CD Message-ID: What is The Myth of Solid Ground? Is it a new Farflung project? How would one go about getting it, if so, and is it as good as The Belief Module, which I think is one of the best releases of '99 (IMHO)... best, Thomas K Henderson wrote: > > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. Any word on the release of The Myth of Solid Ground? I've got it on > CD-R via Tommy himself and at the time, he said it would be released on Big > Jesus, a little indie label (vinyl?) that have done some FF/PH 7"'s in the > past I think, but have heard zero on the issue since SD'99. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Mar 18 12:03:09 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:03:09 +1100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker, to give away. Message-ID: The album's been claimed, thanks. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 18 12:25:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:25:58 -0500 Subject: NIK,OFF: Farflung CD Message-ID: Thomas asked... >What is The Myth of Solid Ground? Is it a new Farflung project? How would one >go about getting it, if so, and is it as good as The Belief Module, which I >think is one of the best releases of '99 (IMHO)... I knew there was a reason I saved old posts. :) Here's a 'transcript' of the last major discussion on this...authors: >>Tim, then >Jon perhaps (?), then me. >> Was given 25,000 feet per second by >> Farflung recently (thanks Keith). Pretty good. What other Farflung albums >> are recommended? > > _The Belief Module_, the latest one, is the current frontier of >explored space. Sell your relatives to get it. Of the other two, _So Man >Minds, So Little Time_ is a collection of pre-band, single and out-take >material which is apparently OK, and _The Raven That Ate The Moon_ is >truly badly pressed (no-one knows how may tracks there actually are, the >CD saying 4 and the liner listing six but referring to guests on Nos. 7 & >8... ), and has some amazing mind-expanding improv. stuff, but never >really settles down to anything apart from the twenty-five minute tacky >synth loop it runs off with. Only for the brave. Yeah, that's pretty awful, innit? The earlier stuff on that album makes it worthwhile though. I agree with the overall consensus, 25K ft./sec and TBM being the best ones. Keith H. (FAA) NP: Farflung - The Myth of Solid Ground (1999, pre-release CD-R)...some high points here also!! Tracks... 1. When I Woke to Sleep No More - slowish space-march with Neu!-like sound f/X 2. Breach of I - a little like a heavy, punkish reading of Dust of Time, with Ozzy-esque (i.e., mocking voice) singing, ending up with an excellent long space-blanga jam 3. Prototype of a Traveller - excellent classic space-rock style riff....totally jammin' and cosmic (fantastic track!) 4. Those Clouds are Solid - heavy space-punk number, monotonish vocals...decent 5. Something in the Water - extended spacey ambient noodling... 6. I Have Seen the Saucers - quiet, subdued ditty... 7. The Larval Stage - heavy stompin' and deliberate number with heavy f/X'ed vocals. Appropriately titled...degeneration proceeding! Not bad actually. >> Keith H. (FAA) >> >> P.S. Any word on the release of The Myth of Solid Ground? I've got it on >> CD-R via Tommy himself and at the time, he said it would be released on Big >> Jesus, a little indie label (vinyl?) that have done some FF/PH 7"'s in the >> past I think, but have heard zero on the issue since SD'99. Tommy had 30 CD-R's made up of the master, presumably to pass off to promotional outlets or maybe for prospective labels (?). Anyway, AI ended up with one, so I'm one of the lucky ones to have heard it. Other than what's written here above, I don't know any other plans for its release. And their website says proudly, "NEW! Our latest album "So Many Minds, So Little Time" is out now!" so you know there's no answer forthcoming there either! :) Tommy's e-mail (publicly listed) is glortch at aol.com (or at least it was), though I don't think I got an answer last time I tried it. (Paul Fox is pretty responsive from what I remember, tho' he's just a PH guy, right?) Did anyone talk to Tommy at Spaceland? Or did Len say anything about it? Chuck, Dan, Doug? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Trivial tidbit...I'm pretty certain the title must've come from this LA Weekly article that the FarFlungers must've seen and liked. http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/20/news-ulin.shtml (Anyway, this is the only 'hit' I get when searching the Web on the title.) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 18 12:37:26 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:37:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig, credits Message-ID: Tim offers... >At 04:50 PM 3/17/00 -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: >>>expressed are those indicating other singers who sang Calvert songs.> >> >>I have to say that I've liked a number of the renditions of Calvert songs >>by other singers in Hawkwind ... >> >>"Reefer Madness" with Bridget, >>"Damnation Alley" with Alan, >>"Kadu Flyer" with Nik, > >Kadu flyer is a Bob-song? Ok, I'm pretty confused about this track. I just >checked my CD and was surprised to find it didn't have composer credits, and >I've sold my vinyl version, but my memory is that it was attributed to >Rudolph/Mendlkau. On the tape Bob Calvert sent me, he remarked that >Jamie Mendelkau was a Canadian writer who was a friend of his (I can't >remember the context of this, and can't look it up, because Knut Gewers >never returned the tape when I lent it to him for his Calvert site). >However, on the tape which Nik made for me in 1984 he basically says that >_he_ wrote Kadu Flyer and that it was incorrectly attributed to someone else >on the label. This was the topic of recent (4-6 months ago) discussion, on the heels of discussing the oft-changing credits for certain rehashed/retitled tunes of the 70s. Certain deserving writers being neglected, and such... You should probably check the archives at SPC, but I believe the consensus was that pseudonyms for Brock (MacManus?), Turner (Mandelkau), and Moorcock (Linda Steele, his wife) *were* all real people, but that these HW members actually wrote the songs/lyrics. So, Bob was prolly telling the truth, and so is Nik. Can't remember who MacManus (sp?) was...there were several ideas presented here I believe. And the idea was that it was done to keep royalties from being withheld from certain HW members, right? Filthy record company management! :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I agree 100% with Doug that Alan could never sing Ejection worth a damn, although he was perfectly fine on other songs from that period. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 18 12:39:03 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:39:03 +0000 Subject: NIK,OFF: Farflung CD In-Reply-To: <200003181721.MAA17009@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: FWIW, the reason the website is so out of date is because it's maintained by the old bass-player, Buck McGibbony, and the first he knew of being an ex-member was when someone told him _The Belief Module_ was out [1], so I don't believe he regards it as his top project :-) Yours, Jon [1] Or at least, that's how he told it me. n/p Deep Purple - _Shades of... _ -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Mar 18 12:43:40 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:43:40 -0600 Subject: off: st37 Message-ID: Does anybody know how to contact the band st37? If so please contact me. thanks From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Mar 18 14:03:32 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:03:32 GMT Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:15:22 +1100 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > Kadu flyer is a Bob-song? Ok, I'm pretty confused about this track. I just > checked my CD and was surprised to find it didn't have composer credits, and > I've sold my vinyl version, but my memory is that it was attributed to > Rudolph/Mendlkau. On the tape Bob Calvert sent me, he remarked that > Jamie Mendelkau was a Canadian writer who was a friend of his (I can't > remember the context of this, and can't look it up, because Knut Gewers > never returned the tape when I lent it to him for his Calvert site). > However, on the tape which Nik made for me in 1984 he basically says that > _he_ wrote Kadu Flyer and that it was incorrectly attributed to someone else > on the label. To me anyway, the lyrics very obviously have Calvert's quirkiness and linkages. Also Calvert was quite obsessed with flying. The only line to me that sounds like Turner is "a dragon wing of string and sticks" FoFP From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Mar 18 17:33:29 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:33:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: Tim Gadd wrote about Sonic Attack: >If that is Ron reading it on the Love in Space 3-track, I agree, though I >still don't think it's particularly effective.< That version sounds like Bob to me, and I agree its not one of his best. The version I was refering to is on the 'Hawkwind 1997' CD which is available from HW mission control. I also don't like a musical background to this track which is one reason why I like this version. All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 18 20:58:33 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:58:33 +0800 Subject: HW: Live Legends In-Reply-To: <20000318222951.SQJQ7812.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: > Tim Gadd wrote about Sonic Attack: > > >If that is Ron reading it on the Love in Space 3-track, I agree, though I > >still don't think it's particularly effective.< > > That version sounds like Bob to me, and I agree its not one of > his best. The version I was refering to is on the 'Hawkwind 1997' > CD which is available from HW mission control. I also don't like > a musical background to this track which is one reason why I like > this version. > I think it is in fact the vocals from the Hawklords Live album, with a new backing. William From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 18 23:14:11 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:14:11 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW: "goodies" Message-ID: >From a strange website o' rock paraphinalia BOC Albert Bouchard Stage Used Vest and Black Satin Pants used on the LASER TOUR! Comes with an framed autographed photo of Al live on stage! Great item for the die hard BOC fan. Letter of Authenticity is included with the purchase. $750 Promotional Window Decal- Clear sticker that looks like shattered glass caption reads "A Victim of Sonic Attack" of "Victim of a Sonic Attack" of cracked glass lines $25 all this and more at http://www.acmetoycompany.com hawklords promo pin there too (with pic) for 18 its going to make you run, jason From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 19 02:08:57 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:08:57 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 3/11/00 and 3/18/00 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP : 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. 3/11/00 1.Tribe of Cro--Can You Hear Me/Nile Rises/Whale Wave (Potlach) 2.Farflung--Greater Waters (25, 000 Ft. per Second) 3.Dave Brock--Burn Me Up (The Hawk and the Elf) 4.Krel--Transmission/Nomad (Ad Astra) 5.Transient Waves--Peaceful Madman (Wading and Waiting) 6.Subarachnoid Space--Shady Character (Ether Or) 7.Spirits Burning--Avatar 444 (New Worlds by Design) 8.Holger Czukay--World of the Universe (Good Morning Story) 9.Darxtar--Metal Fatigue (Darker) 10.Mr. Quimby's Beard--Mystery pt. 2 (The Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of; thanks to Hardy) 11.Melodic Energy Commision--Migration of the Snails/Escargot (Moon Phase Compendium; thanks to Don) 12.Gong--Psychological Overture/Floatin' Anarchy (Planet Gong Floating Anarchy Live '77) 13.Eat Static--Dionysiac (Epsylon) 14.Holger Czukay--Atlantis (Good Morning Story) 15.Beyondomatic--Family Chi (Turn Century Turn comp) 16.Hawkwind--Song of the Swords (Live Chronicles) 17.Brainticket--Brainticket pt. 2 (Cottonwood Hill) 18.Helios Creed--Spacefirewater (Activated Condition) 19.Tribe of Cro--Peaceful Beginnings (Potlach) 20.Architectural Metaphor--In Between Dunes (Odysseum Galacti) 21.Ozric Tentacles--There's a Planet Here (Arborescence) 22.Karamozov--Sun Always Shines in Space (On Arrival) 23.Spacehead--Space Junk (Blacked-out Limomix) 3/18/00 1.Architectural Metaphor--We've Come for Your Children (Odysseum Galacti) 2.Hawkwind--Reefer Madness (Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music) 3.Ozric Tentacles--Wreltch (Bits Between the Bits) 4.Word of Life--Blowing Away (??) 5.Melodic Energy Commission--Plight of the Dodo/Galloop/Rider From Nempnett Thrubwell (Moon Phase Compendium) 6.Faust--excerpt from Rien (Rien) 7.Can--Halleluwah (edit) Hello Stephan, I have a fabulastic 2CD-R of a Porcupine Tree concert in Belgium.It's made in BIEBOB,VOSSELAAR on 1/05/99 on mini-disc.Real very good sound quality. Also have a video tape of a Porcupine Tree concert on the same location but the year before. Let me know if you're interested. best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Spiegel To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: HW: Porkyoupine Tree Hi, Folks, Would the person who was wanting to trade some Porcupine Tree CD's for HW CD's, Please get in touch with me....I can't remember who it was. Thanks, Stephan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 11:51:02 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:51:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Strange Days 2000 Message-ID: See from Hawkwind.com that Richard and Jerry have formed a new band to play at Strange Days this year. Is there danger to HW's longevity in this or is it just a side project? 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Does this mean that Dave sold his guitar again at the last gig? I sure hope not. Does this mean the end of a viable, recording and touring, Hawkwind. I sure hope not. I am a bit puzzled by the Simon House involvement, I thought he couldn't get into the US. But this is on the official HW Website, so must at least be true in thought, if not in fact. Somewhat Puzzled, Excited, and Sad, Dave At 04:51 PM 3/19/00 +0000, you wrote: > > > See from Hawkwind.com that Richard and Jerry have formed a new band to play > at Strange Days this year. Is there danger to HW's longevity in this or is it > just a side project? > > Ian Abrahams > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sun Mar 19 13:42:57 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:42:57 +1100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury Message-ID: sanity.com Australia has an album in their Hawkwind catalogue titled "Glaystonbury 1999". Is this likely just to be a misprint of Glastonbury 1990, or is there a 1999 live album? (there is no track listing or label given.) Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sun Mar 19 13:50:24 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:50:24 +1100 Subject: HW: Strange Days 2000 Message-ID: > I am a bit puzzled by the Simon House involvement, I thought he >couldn't >get into the US. Why was that? Didn't they give Nik a visa (even after him doing something particularly errr... disrespectful to the American Flag, in the Night of the Hawks video :)) ? As for HW's longevity - I think time has proven that as long as Brock's still kicking, there'll still be a Hawkwind. If there's going to be some sudden, tumultuous line-up upheaval, chances are what's left when the dust settles will probably turn around and record the best HW album in 10 years :/ (you may have noticed I am leaning on the 'Hawkwind quality theorem' as proposed on that Blanga guide website...) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 15:17:08 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:17:08 -0000 Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hello folks! I Have just heard about Jerry and Richards' decision via the internet. They have not spoken to me. I can only assume that they are fed up with playing Hawkwind numbers and they want to play their own style of music. I spoke to Lemmy while we were in LA and plans are in action for us playing together in the near future. OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE BROCK NOW!! ANY QUESTIONS TO DAVE WILL BE ANSWERED NOW LIVE ON THE BOC LIST. WE WILL BE HERE FOR THE NEXT 2 HOURS. 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A break? And yes, I have registered mountaingrill.co.uk :-) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 19 15:59:34 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:59:34 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Not that you necessarily know yet, given that you've only just heard about Jerry and Richard's decision, but if it's a permanent split, I suppose the biggie has to be 'what next?' A return to the more sequenced days of Church with something of a change in direction? A new recruitment drive when you're back in the UK? A break? And yes, I have registered mountaingrill.co.uk :-) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Oops! Can you all make sure you write < HW:> in the subject or we don't get the messages! DB From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 16:00:26 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:00:26 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002e01bf91e0$7dd6e380$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Hi Dave & Kris, Do you have any reason other than the news at www.hawkwind.com to believe that Jerry and Richard are "fed up with playing Hawkwind numbers"? And, in which continent are you planning to play with Lemmy? Thanks for everything, Alasdair On 19 Mar 00, at 20:19, XXX wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: XXX > To: BOC-L > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:17 PM > Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > > > Hello folks! > > I Have just heard about Jerry and Richards' decision via the internet. > They have not spoken to me. I can only assume that they are fed up > with playing Hawkwind numbers and they want to play their own style of > music. > > I spoke to Lemmy while we were in LA and plans are in action for us > playing together in the near future. -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Mar 19 16:12:30 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:12:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave Message-ID: Dave, Hawkind are my fav band since i was 8 i'm now 27! Seen you once at an allnighter at brixton, as an encore you did spirit of the age with members of astralasia. Thanks for keeping the spaceship running for all this time. Whats happening about the reunion gigs and will you be doing any more allnighters at brixton? And how comes you don't play much lead guitar on your tracks even though i think you are a brilliant lead guitarist? Will simon house be staying with the band after the tour. Thanks for all the brilliant music! cheers colm From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sun Mar 19 16:06:10 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:06:10 -0500 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002e01bf91e0$7dd6e380$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Dave, Cool of you to be online here! What are your plans now, if Jerry/Richard have split the scene, so to speak? Have you been working on any new songs? Do you have any other jammates waiting in the wings (ala Hawklords)? Maybe not in this tight time, but I would be very interested in knowing precisely what equipment you use (been the topic of other posts here) now and in the past. What is your favorite keyboard/sound fx/signal processor/guitar ? I have been a listener since 78 myself, just missed your last tour before 89. Went over to UK on holiday and missed your May 89 minitour by ONE DAY. Came back and saw the (aborted) summer 89 tour in the paper and was floored. Finally saw you all - 9 times from Fall 89 through Spring 95. Keep on rocking. btw, how the heck did you ever manage to grab the "Rock Music Co Ltd" name? No one else thought of if first? Keep on Hawkin! Dave From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 19 16:08:13 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:08:13 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Dave, I was unfortunately away at sea during the Eclipse and missed your gig, and the astronomical event, was it recorded and is there any plans to lease said recording. Cheers Doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Mar 19 16:17:05 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:17:05 EST Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE/Remix Project Message-ID: Hi Dave, Any details on the Hawkwind Remix Project would be great. The cd doesn't provide many details. I hope all works out well for you and the band. thank you Bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Mar 19 16:40:01 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:40:01 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002201bf91e0$1d756d40$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Hi Dave Hi Kris Thanks very much for this chance getting in contact with you I'll take it to ask a couple of quastions: - Are there any plans to release a live CD from the NZ/OZ gigs - What are your (HW) future plans - What will be the next line-up - When will you (HW) come to Germany again Thanks again for the great music you are doing cheers Bernhard From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 16:40:39 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:40:39 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002e01bf91e0$7dd6e380$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: One other question: are Simon and Harvey staying on in Spaceship Hawkwind for the forseeable future? I'm sure I'm not the only one here who relishes that prospect. Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Mar 19 16:43:36 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:43:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Open Forum With Dave Message-ID: Hi Dave, Here on the USA side of things we don't get too many chances to see Hawkwind. Are there any plans shaping up for another USA tour in the future? John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Mar 19 16:56:31 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:56:31 -0600 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Dave: 1.) Is there any chance that you will be at Strange Daze with the new incarnation of Hawkwind? Whatever, the outcome of the lineup change, I'm sure it will all be positive and indicate a new shift in the ever evolving sound....looking forward to it! Thanks and Best Regards, Tom Clark Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi Dave > Hi Kris > > Thanks very much for this chance getting in contact with you > > I'll take it to ask a couple of quastions: > > - Are there any plans to release a live CD from the NZ/OZ gigs > - What are your (HW) future plans > - What will be the next line-up > - When will you (HW) come to Germany again > > Thanks again for the great music you are doing > > cheers > Bernhard From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Mar 19 17:57:55 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:57:55 -0500 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002201bf91e0$1d756d40$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Hi, My question be: How far into or behind the future will the "Weird Tapes" CDs be released to the public? Great artwrok for the covers thus far, and having never heard 'em (since I'm typically on the BOC side heh) I cannot wait to jump iwith vim and vigour into the spirit of the age. The "best of f&R" is currently doing its best to jostle the eardrums of unsuspecting neighbors. Thanks for your time and typing! Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 17:11:42 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:11:42 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: All messages will be answered in the next 10 or so hours, jetlag is prevailing at the moment! We will be back! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Dave: > > 1.) Is there any chance that you will be at Strange Daze with the new > incarnation of Hawkwind? > > Whatever, the outcome of the lineup change, I'm sure it will all be > positive and indicate a new shift in the ever evolving sound....looking > forward to it! > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > Tom Clark > > > Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > > Hi Dave > > Hi Kris > > > > Thanks very much for this chance getting in contact with you > > > > I'll take it to ask a couple of quastions: > > > > - Are there any plans to release a live CD from the NZ/OZ gigs > > - What are your (HW) future plans > > - What will be the next line-up > > - When will you (HW) come to Germany again > > > > Thanks again for the great music you are doing > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sun Mar 19 17:11:33 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:11:33 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <004b01bf91e4$da790b00$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Hi Dave & Kris, thanks for over 30 years of excellent music! - what will happen to the new studio-album now? - will there be re-issues of PXR5 and the Hawklords album any time in the foreseeable future? - what kind of guitar FX equipment do you use? best regards D+R From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 19 17:11:33 2000 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:11:33 +0000 Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002201bf91e0$1d756d40$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: In message <002201bf91e0$1d756d40$abdc93c3 at default>, XXX writes >STOP THE RUMOURS! ASK DAVE DIRECT! Errr, right, cough, splutter... Dave, there have been a million questions I have wanted to ask you but all I can think of at the moment is: any chance you can get the 1977 Camden Music Machine gig out on CD - its got to be one of the best gigs ever and Bernard (on this list) has some tracks from the desk so a good recording must exist somewhere! Oh, and Thanks for everything! I can't imagine how the last 20 years would have been without listening to Hawkwind. Mark From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun Mar 19 17:23:36 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:23:36 -0700 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <002201bf91e0$1d756d40$abdc93c3@default> Message-ID: Hello Dave---- Not a question, really, but a statement of feeling. Having witnessed many upheavals in the past 17 years (and reading about those in the preceding years), my initial feeling has usually been "Oh no! How can 'Billy' (or 'Ken', or 'Wanda', or whomever it may be) quit/get sacked? They were so vital to the HawkSound, now things will be different.." And then it is different, and the same down at the core, and wonderful nonetheless. Here's waiting with great anticipation for the next step in the evolution in the Hawk. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http:\\members.home.net\novadrive From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sun Mar 19 19:24:20 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:24:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave Message-ID: Alright there Dave, Sorry i've already asked you a question but its not ever day you get to speak to the frontman of Hawkwind. I have just got the Thrilling adventures live CD on Griffinn records and wondered if the voiceprint version(atomhenge?) still waiting to be released will have the same tracks on it? Also a question about the astounding album, how comes the quite marked change in style between that and the album before "warriors on the edge of time" ? Will you be getting round to realising the charisma albums again? Oh yeah whats your fav Hawkwind album? Anyway thats enough questions from me, hope you play glastonbury this year! cheers colm From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sun Mar 19 16:49:39 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:49:39 GMT Subject: HW: Strange Days 2000 Message-ID: Ian wrote: > See from Hawkwind.com that Richard and Jerry have formed a new band to play > at Strange Days this year. Is there danger to HW's longevity in this or is it > just a side project? > > Ian Abrahams Didn't Jerry, Richard, Ron and someone called Steve play a one off Gig in Bath last year under the name of 'Whirlwind'? perhaps they're just building on this, and will still (hopefully) stay with the mothership. All the best Mick > -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Mar 19 23:51:42 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:51:42 -0500 Subject: HW novel In-Reply-To: <20000318060430.FLJU26568.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: Here Here Tim! I loved them. So tongue in cheek. I say Time is a must for any fan of sci fi or Hawkwind -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Tim Gadd Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 1:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW novel >Also, "Queens of Deleria" or something like that, sequel. I've >got both lying around here somewhere. They're not that good, if not >for the HW interest I wouldn't bother keeping them. You know, I disagree. When they first came out I enjoyed them a lot, but even at age 13 I had the nagging feeling that they weren't exactly 'serious literature'. Re-reading them (at least the seond one) at age 36 I loved it. It's a supremely ridiculous book, and if you lose all concerns about whether it's 'good literature', it's just great fun. How can you not like a story where the bad guys are harley-riding cops, straight out of 'Electra-Glide in Blue', who shoot innocent civilians with guns that play Elton John songs? I had a ball re-reading it. I remember the first one as being better at the time, and I haven;t read the third. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Mon Mar 20 00:42:56 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:42:56 -0600 Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Dave, Is that problem cleared up with entering the United States? If not is there anyway to get it cleared up so you could perform here without hassle? I would love to see you play in the states again. How many more live albums of 70's thru 90's material do you think will be released? take care From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Mar 20 02:27:23 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:27:23 EST Subject: HW: Open Forum With Dave Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/00 1:44:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Hi Dave, Here on the USA side of things we don't get too many chances to see Hawkwind. Are there any plans shaping up for another USA tour in the future? John Majka >> Ditto, especially So. Calif. When was the last time HW played in L.A.? If you missed us in '95 then I guess it could have been '89?? Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Mar 20 02:35:30 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:35:30 EST Subject: HW: singles FS Message-ID: Found this on the Space-rock NG. I ordered from the guy; he's fine. I've got the following items that I'm looking to sell: Hawkwind - Silver Machine / Seven By Seven (United Artists UP 35381, 1972) Beautiful picture sleeve edition. Very light label imprint on front and rear. M-/M- ?8.00 Hawkwind - Psychedelic Warlords / It's So Easy (UA UP 35715, 1974) -/M ?5.00 Hawkwind - Kings Of Speed / Motorhead (UA UP 35808, 1975) -/M ?6.00 Mail me if anybody is interested. Chris WIlliams ccwilliams at ntlworld.com From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 20 04:15:42 2000 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:15:42 GMT Subject: HW: Live Legends gig, credits Message-ID: Hi! >You should probably check the archives at SPC, but I believe the consensus >was that pseudonyms for Brock (MacManus?), Turner (Mandelkau), and Moorcock >(Linda Steele, his wife) *were* all real people, but that these HW members >actually wrote the songs/lyrics. So, Bob was prolly telling the truth, and >so is Nik. Can't remember who MacManus (sp?) was...there were several >ideas >presented here I believe. MacManus was the maiden name of Brock?s wife and Mandelkau was a road manager in ?76.Accordingly to Brian Tawn. Cheers, Juba ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 20 05:48:43 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:48:43 GMT Subject: HW: Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Tim Gadd's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:42:57 +1100 Message-ID: Tim Gadd writes: > sanity.com Australia has an album in their Hawkwind catalogue titled > "Glaystonbury 1999". Is this likely just to be a misprint of Glastonbury > 1990, or is there a 1999 live album? (there is no track listing or label > given.) I was at Glasters '99 and I'm pretty sure that Hawkwind weren't. FoFP From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Mar 20 05:51:27 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:51:27 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind book Message-ID: Just prior to the "Open Forum" excitement, didn't someone post that they were looking for the Butterworth novel? If so - you may want to contact this guy S. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Audio111 at aol.com Date sent: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:02:56 EST Subject: Hawkwind book To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au I found a copy of "The Time Of The Hawklords" by M. Moorcock. This is a fantasy novel about Hawkwind. You might know whether or not this is a rare find, but it is for sale. If you know anyone that would be interested, let me know. Steve www.glasshammer.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 20 06:02:08 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:02:08 GMT Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Easy one? Will you be playing Glastonbury this year? It's useful for those who have to book travel to know these things in advance... If you could post up the lyrics for Techno Tropic Zone that'd also be very nice. Thanks for all the music for the last 3 decades... FoFP From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Mar 20 07:16:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:16:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Dave Message-ID: Dave! When you're in Los Angeles again, I reckon you should try to get Buzz Aldrin to come on stage and read 'The Awakening.' It's about time someone did something to rival the Pistols getting Ronnie Biggs to sing! (Armstrong is still around, but Buzz Aldrin has a much cooler name, and it'd look great on the album credits. Anyway, a guy anyone who gets named Buzz Aldrin ought to be in a rock band at some stage in his life.) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Mar 20 07:24:42 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:24:42 +1100 Subject: HW: Dave Message-ID: > Anyway, a guy anyone who gets named Buzz Aldrin ought to be in a rock band at some >stage in his life.) Same goes for Rush Limbaugh. Not that I'm suggesting you should get Rush Limbaugh on stage, though I'd pay money to see him sing "Uncle Sam's on Mars" -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 20 08:45:11 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:45:11 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 Message-ID: > What a strange video, not to mention tour package. The styles of "metal" > each band represents do not exactly make cozy bedfellows. BOC was a fast > moving darkness that you couldnt quite get a hold of entirely that > desceneded from the skies and bursting out of stomachs. Black Sabbath (at > least on this incarnation w/dio) were rumbling leviathans across the tundra > with a warbling guy. > Well, I think there were a lot of folks in the Black Sabbath camp that thought BOC didn't belong on tour with THEM since they were so much bigger commercially than BOC. I seem to recall a quote to that effect in an 80s rag from possibly Dio. There was also some accusation about Sandy Pearlman looking out for his band's best interests. As for Dio, folks seemed to either love him or hate him. He could sing circles around Ozzy, but his "presentation" didn't always work with all of Sabbath's songs. I remember having Black Sabbath's live album, *Live Evil* with Dio on vocals - I remember distinctly thinking that some of it worked (Iron Man, Children of the Grave), and other didn't (Paranoid, NIB). Dio also had the (sometimes annoying) habit of singing when there was no lyrics to be sung - like he thought his voice was an extra lead guitar or something. But, I liked a lot of the stuff that he brought to Sabbath - in fact, I don't own any of the original Sabbath CDs with Ozzy (although I do have a few compilations), but have both studio albums (Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules) cut with Dio in the 80s. Of course, Ian Gillan was Sabbath's best singer... ;-) John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 20 09:20:00 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:20:00 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 In-Reply-To: <38D62B63.43EEE3C5@mitre.org> Message-ID: > Well, I think there were a lot of folks in the Black Sabbath camp that > thought BOC didn't belong on tour with THEM since they were so much > bigger commercially than BOC. I seem to recall a quote to that effect > in an 80s rag from possibly Dio. There was also some accusation about > Sandy Pearlman looking out for his band's best interests. Didn't Sandy manage both bands at that point? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 20 08:41:15 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:15 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Mar 00, at 14:20, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Well, I think there were a lot of folks in the Black Sabbath camp > > that thought BOC didn't belong on tour with THEM since they were so > > much bigger commercially than BOC. I seem to recall a quote to that > > effect in an 80s rag from possibly Dio. Hmm...Consider the source of the quote. Around the time of that tour, I think BOC were SLIGHTLY bigger than Sab, certainly in terms of record sales, if not touring revenue, but I suspect BOC had the edge there too. Hard to be objective for me, as I live in what was always a BOC stronghold. Maybe away from the Northeast, Sab was a bigger draw... theo From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:21:24 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:21:24 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Alasdair Yes they do like to play something other than HW music. Gigs with Lemmy will take place in the UK I would say. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Alasdair Macdonald To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hi Dave & Kris, > > Do you have any reason other than the news at > www.hawkwind.com to believe that Jerry and Richard are "fed up > with playing Hawkwind numbers"? > > And, in which continent are you planning to play with Lemmy? > > > Thanks for everything, > > Alasdair > > > On 19 Mar 00, at 20:19, XXX wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: XXX > > To: BOC-L > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:17 PM > > Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > > > > > > Hello folks! > > > > I Have just heard about Jerry and Richards' decision via the internet. > > They have not spoken to me. I can only assume that they are fed up > > with playing Hawkwind numbers and they want to play their own style of > > music. > > > > I spoke to Lemmy while we were in LA and plans are in action for us > > playing together in the near future. > > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:27:36 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:27:36 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Dave, I have no plans at the moment. Yes I have been working on new songs which have all now been recorded. Yes there are a few jammates lurking. Rock Music is a publishing company. The one I have is called Brock music. Equipment list will be on the next cd. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: dhuggins To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Dave, > > Cool of you to be online here! > > What are your plans now, if Jerry/Richard have split the scene, so to speak? > > Have you been working on any new songs? > > Do you have any other jammates waiting in the wings (ala Hawklords)? > > Maybe not in this tight time, but I would be very interested in knowing > precisely what equipment you use (been the topic of other posts here) now > and in the past. What is your favorite keyboard/sound fx/signal > processor/guitar ? > > I have been a listener since 78 myself, just missed your last tour before > 89. Went over to UK on holiday and missed your May 89 minitour by ONE DAY. > Came back and saw the (aborted) summer 89 tour in the paper and was > floored. Finally saw you all - 9 times from Fall 89 through Spring 95. > Keep on rocking. > > btw, how the heck did you ever manage to grab the "Rock Music Co Ltd" name? > No one else thought of if first? > > Keep on Hawkin! > > Dave > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:23:48 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:23:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Colm, The reunion will be an all nighter, probably at Brixton. Maybe I will play more lead guitar if Jerry is not doing it. I would hope to be working with Simon again. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: colm mcwilliams To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:12 PM Subject: HW: Question for Dave > Dave, > Hawkind are my fav band since i was 8 i'm now 27! Seen you once at an > allnighter at brixton, as an encore you did spirit of the age with members > of astralasia. Thanks for keeping the spaceship running for all this time. > Whats happening about the reunion gigs and will you be doing any more > allnighters at brixton? And how comes you don't play much lead guitar on > your tracks even though i think you are a brilliant lead guitarist? Will > simon house be staying with the band after the tour. Thanks for all the > brilliant music! > > cheers > > colm > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:28:44 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:28:44 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Yes there is a possibility. Perhaps to Hawkwind passport holders only maybe. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel.kew To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Hi Dave, I was unfortunately away at sea during the Eclipse and missed your gig, and the astronomical event, was it recorded and is there any plans to lease said recording. 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DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hi Dave > Hi Kris > > Thanks very much for this chance getting in contact with you > > I'll take it to ask a couple of quastions: > > - Are there any plans to release a live CD from the NZ/OZ gigs > - What are your (HW) future plans > - What will be the next line-up > - When will you (HW) come to Germany again > > > Thanks again for the great music you are doing > > cheers > Bernhard > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:36:52 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:36:52 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Alasdair On and off DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Alasdair Macdonald To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > One other question: are Simon and Harvey staying on in Spaceship > Hawkwind for the forseeable future? I'm sure I'm not the only one > here who relishes that prospect. > > Alasdair > > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:30:57 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:30:57 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE/Remix Project Message-ID: Hi Bob Unfortunately I do not have a copy of it so I do not know. I will look into it. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lennon To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE/Remix Project > Hi Dave, > Any details on the Hawkwind Remix Project would be great. > The cd doesn't provide many details. > I hope all works out well for you and the band. > thank you > Bob > > > > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:44:48 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:44:48 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Tom, I don't know. But thanks for your faith in us. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Dave: > > 1.) Is there any chance that you will be at Strange Daze with the new > incarnation of Hawkwind? > > Whatever, the outcome of the lineup change, I'm sure it will all be > positive and indicate a new shift in the ever evolving sound....looking > forward to it! > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > Tom Clark > > > Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > > Hi Dave > > Hi Kris > > > > Thanks very much for this chance getting in contact with you > > > > I'll take it to ask a couple of quastions: > > > > - Are there any plans to release a live CD from the NZ/OZ gigs > > - What are your (HW) future plans > > - What will be the next line-up > > - When will you (HW) come to Germany again > > > > Thanks again for the great music you are doing > > > > cheers > > Bernhard > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:42:11 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:42:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Open Forum With Dave Message-ID: Hi John I phoned Shawn at Pangea music to get a tour together on the way back from NZ (March) This only gave him 2 months for publicity which he considered not enough time. Also Simon had no waiver on his passport and no way of getting one in time although we did try. We are at the moment speaking to Lemmy's management company who are based in LA, so who knows. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: flossbac To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: HW: Open Forum With Dave > Hi Dave, > Here on the USA side of things we don't get too many chances to see > Hawkwind. Are there any plans shaping up for another USA tour in the > future? > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 20 12:20:50 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:20:50 +0800 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <00b101bf928f$31399860$d0e693c3@default> Message-ID: Hi Dave any possibility of the videos being released on DVD? William From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Mar 20 12:29:46 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:29:46 +0100 Subject: HW & Tim Blake (was HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE) In-Reply-To: <00ae01bf928f$2f29a420$d0e693c3@default> Message-ID: DB wrote: >No plans for OZ/ NZ cd but there is the video from ABC >The reunion is the next plan, >Australia again in January, >Solo cd release >Next line up will maybe include Tim Blake as he visited us recently and I >saw Lemmy in LA. Tim playing with the Hawks again! Wow! I hope this will come true. I love his synth-work and hopefully this time he'll stay a little bit longer than the last. >Martin Griffin also called around, so who knows! >I would hope that we would be coming to Germany this year. Pleeaaaseee do some gigs in Germany this year! best regards D+R From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 20 12:57:54 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:57:54 GMT Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: XXX writes: > Hi Bernhard, > > No plans for OZ/ NZ cd but there is the video from ABC > The reunion is the next plan, > Australia again in January, > Solo cd release > Next line up will maybe include Tim Blake as he visited us recently Excellent news! I had to miss the band with Tim in London ten years ago and only got down for his solo gig at the Lyceum the following night. It'd be great to see him play with Hawkwind again. FoFP From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 12:01:07 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:01:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Colm, The quality of the Griffin one I believe is better, but the Voiceprint has more tracks. Style change because Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell and Nik Turner were becoming funky, (as in Shaft) Don't know about Charisma albums, EBS would know. Favourite album would be the first one but there are various other tracks I like off others, in fact the Ambient Anarchists was a good album! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: colm mcwilliams To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:24 AM Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave > Alright there Dave, > Sorry i've already asked you a question but its not ever day you get to > speak to the frontman of Hawkwind. I have just got the Thrilling adventures > live CD on Griffinn records and wondered if the voiceprint > version(atomhenge?) still waiting to be released will have the same tracks > on it? > Also a question about the astounding album, how comes the quite marked > change in style between that and the album before "warriors on the edge of > time" ? Will you be getting round to realising the charisma albums again? Oh > yeah whats your fav Hawkwind album? Anyway thats enough questions from me, > hope you play glastonbury this year! > > cheers > > colm > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 12:03:20 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:03:20 -0000 Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Dan, Yes it is cleared up. I haven't got the faintest clue, these albums seem to be coming from everywhere, some good, some bad. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 5:42 AM Subject: HW: question for Dave > Dave, > > Is that problem cleared up with entering the United States? If not is > there anyway to get it cleared up so you could perform here without > hassle? > > I would love to see you play in the states again. > > How many more live albums of 70's thru 90's material do you think will > be released? > > take care > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 20 13:01:38 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:01:38 GMT Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: I was bowled over by the band's performance at Pentrich in '99, and you all looked like you were having a good time too. Did anyone with the band or the organisers record/video the show. It'd be an excellent gig to release. FoFP From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:47:20 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:47:20 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Jason, I don't know. Contact Voiceprint for more details. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hi, > > My question be: How far into or behind the future will the "Weird Tapes" CDs > be released to the public? Great artwrok for the covers thus far, and > having never heard 'em (since I'm typically on the BOC side heh) I cannot > wait to jump iwith vim and vigour into the spirit of the age. The "best of > f&R" is currently doing its best to jostle the eardrums of unsuspecting > neighbors. > > Thanks for your time and typing! > Jason > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to > hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I > don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Mar 20 13:09:40 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:09:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave Message-ID: Dave, Would you entertain the idea of doing a fan poll here on the list as to what songs HW could add to the set list? Like maybe you doing a couple of acoustic songs like The Demented Man or Hurry on Sundown. thanks for the music!!!!! -- Doug Bates From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Mar 20 13:11:29 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:11:29 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <00ac01bf928f$2d96cf20$d0e693c3@default> Message-ID: At 16:28 20.3.2000 +0000, DAVE BROCK wrote: >Yes there is a possibility. Perhaps to Hawkwind passport holders PHANTASTIC!!! Please release the midday gig, not the evening one !!!! Bernhard DB ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel.kew To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Hi Dave, I was unfortunately away at sea during the Eclipse and missed your gig, and the astronomical event, was it recorded and is there any plans to lease said recording. Cheers Doc From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:56:17 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:56:17 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Kevin Hurray! Next episode will follow. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Sommers To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hello Dave---- > Not a question, really, but a statement of feeling. Having witnessed many > upheavals in the past 17 years (and reading about those in the preceding > years), my initial feeling has usually been "Oh no! How can 'Billy' (or > 'Ken', or 'Wanda', or whomever it may be) quit/get sacked? They were so > vital to the HawkSound, now things will be different.." > And then it is different, and the same down at the core, and wonderful > nonetheless. Here's waiting with great anticipation for the next step in > the evolution in the Hawk. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > http:\\members.home.net\novadrive > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 12:05:41 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:05:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Open Forum With Dave Message-ID: Hi Chuck Yes hopefully, maybe September/Oct. Last time we played LA? I had better throw that one over to the BOC List! Can't remember! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: Re: HW: Open Forum With Dave > In a message dated 3/19/00 1:44:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, > flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: > > << Hi Dave, > Here on the USA side of things we don't get too many chances to see > Hawkwind. Are there any plans shaping up for another USA tour in the > future? > John Majka >> > > Ditto, especially So. Calif. When was the last time HW played in L.A.? If you > missed us in '95 then I guess it could have been '89?? Thanks, Chuck > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 12:08:33 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:08:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Dave Message-ID: Hi Tim Good idea that, we will pass that over to Space Foundation and see what can be arranged. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: HW: Dave > Dave! > > When you're in Los Angeles again, I reckon you should try to get Buzz Aldrin > to come on stage and read 'The Awakening.' It's about time someone did > something to rival the Pistols getting Ronnie Biggs to sing! > > (Armstrong is still around, but Buzz Aldrin has a much cooler name, and it'd > look great on the album credits. Anyway, a guy anyone who gets named Buzz > Aldrin ought to be in a rock band at some stage in his life.) > > > > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 11:54:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:54:47 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi D+R The Family Tree CD will be the next studio release. I am sure there will be releases of PXR5 and Hawklords but I do not have details at the moment. Guitar FX: A Boss BE5m Footpedal DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hi Dave & Kris, > > thanks for over 30 years of excellent music! > > - what will happen to the new studio-album now? > - will there be re-issues of PXR5 and the Hawklords album any time in the > foreseeable future? > - what kind of guitar FX equipment do you use? > > best regards > > D+R > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 12:07:09 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:07:09 -0000 Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Mike Don't know about Glastonbury yet. TTZ slow your cd player down! DB ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:02 AM Subject: HW: question for Dave > Easy one? Will you be playing Glastonbury this year? It's useful for > those who have to book travel to know these things in advance... > > If you could post up the lyrics for Techno Tropic Zone that'd also be > very nice. > > Thanks for all the music for the last 3 decades... > > FoFP > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Mar 20 13:30:13 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:30:13 -0000 Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Dave, have there been any real discussions about the band appearing at Glasters this year? It really would be the ideal venue for the much-talked-about reunion. What are the plans for albums/touring this year? Jerry told me at him, Ron and Richard's gig in Bath last December that a full tour was projected for the autumn this year. At that time he still seemed pretty committed to HW, perhaps he could spend some time online to clear this matter up? Any chance that you play at the Stables here again? Of the four gigs I caught last November that was by far my favourite, everyone seemed to be having a great time, both on stage and off. It'd make a good warm-up venue for a tour sometime. All the best for the future and I look forward to catching the band again sooner rather then later. Nick From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 20 14:28:10 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:28:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Richard & Jerry Message-ID: So now I'm pretty confused because the mention on hawkwind.com about Richard & Jerry's new project has been removed! And where does all this leave Ron - suddenly he seems the forgotten man! Ian Abrahams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking forward to the next page in the Hawkwind log, I'm sure you'll keep it on course thanks again Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 20 14:49:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:49:35 GMT Subject: HW: another one for Dave Message-ID: Sorry Dave, I know I've asked this almost more times than Trev has asked for Time For Sale but any chance of a proper length version of "Where Are They Now?" on an album near us soon? I honestly reckon that the short version on the Weird tapes is one of the strongest of that style in the whole collection. FoFP From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Mon Mar 20 14:54:34 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:54:34 -0500 Subject: ATTN XXX RE: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE In-Reply-To: <20000320194247.BYKZ22016.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: When is the open questions period closed, so to speak? From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Mar 20 17:32:55 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:32:55 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr." wrote: > On 20 Mar 00, at 14:20, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > Well, I think there were a lot of folks in the Black Sabbath camp > > > that thought BOC didn't belong on tour with THEM since they were so > > > much bigger commercially than BOC. I seem to recall a quote to that > > > effect in an 80s rag from possibly Dio. > > Hmm...Consider the source of the quote. There was quite a bit rivalry there as we always were quick to admit Sab's influence on us and Ozzy seemed to take it as a compliment. However, Dio (AKA Ronny James Dio) was from upstate (remember Ronnie Dio and the Prophets or Elf?) and always had a little rivalry with all upstate bands several of which BOC members were in. Silly now in retrospect. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 20 18:23:13 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:23:13 EST Subject: Fwd:HW: rumors abound!//SD2K Message-ID: hi gang! here's a message from Jim Lascko, mr. SD2K himself! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jim Lascko Subject: Re: Fwd: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:39:04 -0500 Size: 3025 URL: From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 17 12:53:36 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:53:36 +0200 Subject: NIK: LA Show Message-ID: >>By the time of the concert, I >>seriously had my doubts; Doug's friend Doug kept turning to me, saying >>"Spinal Tap". Exactly. Finnish pop-psyche style. > >Finland has their own recognizable 'pop-psych' style? :) Really, have we? I can?t hear it. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Tue Mar 21 00:55:27 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:55:27 +0100 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: Hello All, Thought that would catch your attention. As you can see,it was all a storm in a glass of water.If you read the Jim Lasko letter you will know what the idea was. That's why I didn't bother to jump on the train. You guys and girls are very jumpy. You all were talking as the universe would explode!! But the Master Of The Universe has still control! Thanks Dave for all the music you gave us in all those years and years still come. best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 21 05:20:02 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:20:02 +1100 Subject: HW: Dave and Chaos Message-ID: Actually I do have a 'serious' question for Dave, if the chat period is still on. In a tape you recorded for me in 1984 you said of Space Ritual that it was a "chaotic" album which you "don't particularly like", and that when you heard it on the radio you thought it sounded like "two bands playing at once". Do you still feel this way about Space Ritual, or have you come to agree with what I think many of your fans believe (they can jump on me if I'm wrong) - that it's chaotic, unruly feel is part of what makes it a great album? Incidentally I want to apologise to you for not using that tape. It was mostly because its arrival coincided with a near 4-year break from radio on my part. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 21 06:04:37 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:04:37 GMT Subject: HW: FAO Dave Brock Message-ID: Just a thought: I know some folks at Hawkwind were interested in the Brainstorm and Silver Machine tracks (probably from Maida Vale 1972) which appeared on the Brian Matthews Top of The Pops Radio Show BBC Transcription Disc. Or at least they were until Doug got annoyed when Persons Known But Unmentioned bootlegged a poor tape copy to CD (I was more than a bit cross myself as the only person who got a tape was under strict instruction not to pass it on). However, if they're still useful for something like the new Weird Tapes project then I'd be happy to get digitised copies sent down. Curious though: and I realise it's many moons, but was that the same gig they recorded for the Top of the Pops TV show in order to get film for Silver Machine? FoFP From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 21 06:08:03 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:08:03 -0000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Hi Mick, Ron is still on board. Don't know what the situation is. Yes there are a few unreleased studio tracks lying around. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Crook To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE > Hello Dave, > > First, thanks for some great music and stage shows over the last 30 years. I really enjoyed the Eclipse party. > my questions are : > Is Ron still on board? > Do you plan to get another guitarist? > Are there any old unreleased studio tracks lying buried which you could unearth for us? > > Looking forward to the next page in the Hawkwind log, I'm sure you'll keep it on course > > thanks again > Mick. > > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 21 06:10:54 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:10:54 -0000 Subject: HW: another one for Dave Message-ID: Hi Mike, Someone has nicked this track and done a dance version of it. I hear it all the time on Judge Jules Radio 1 programme. I don't know who the artist is. Can anyone help? DB ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: HW: another one for Dave > Sorry Dave, I know I've asked this almost more times than Trev has asked > for Time For Sale but any chance of a proper length version of "Where > Are They Now?" on an album near us soon? I honestly reckon that the > short version on the Weird tapes is one of the strongest of that style > in the whole collection. > > FoFP > From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 21 06:14:45 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:14:45 -0000 Subject: HW: RE: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: Dave, Thanks for taking the bull by the horns, so to speak, and stemming the rumours before they flow! I know that it's not for me to say who should and who shouldn't be in the next re-incarnation of the mothership, but as this is an open forum, I'd love to add my tuppenyworth! Only my own personal thoughts. Martin Griffin, Lemmy, Simon and Harvey sounds just superb! Top-notch line up! Will you be calling on any other recent(ish) Hawks at all? I know that Alan would love to give it another go, and how about Huw? I thought that Huw was fantastic at the Blackheath gig (even tho he wasn't in the mix for the first of his songs!) Trouble is the choice between Alan and Lemmy is a difficult one for some of us punters! Terry Ollis is playing again too. I saw him perform with Alan, and Huw recently, and even with Danny during their main set, it was just like 1985 revisited - except for one vital ingredient of course - your good self! I recall Doug Smith saying a few years back (circa 1994/5), that Danny really wanted to re-join, and return that double-drummer sound to the Hawks. Any truth in that one? And this is where I really stick my head above the parapet! Do you remember Martin M. from Krel, who supported you on the Tepee Tour, in '92? He's still doing a lot of great music, and I always reckoned that he could fill any role within HW. He'd give his right arm to be able to play (except that if he lost his right arm - he couldn't play!) I don't know if you ever got a copy of the last Krel CD, but it was superb. It was generally extremely well received by those of us at the BOC-L who have heard it. Martin wrote all of the Krel material that you heard performed on that tour. THIS IS ONLY MY OWN PERSONNAL THOUGHT! Next to the Hawks, Krel is my favourite space-rock band. As to "Where Are They Now?". I agree that you should release a full version of it. It's one of the best "undiscovered" Hawkwind tracks ever. One last question, was "Make What You Can", from the Weird tapes, a pre-cursor of "It's So Easy"? Thanks for the past few decades of superb music, tours and a musical way of life, and thanks in advance for the next few too. Regards to Kris and yourself Guy Thomas guy.thomas at london.entoil.com -----Original Message----- From: XXX [ mailto:boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK ] Sent: 19 March 2000 20: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Oops! Can you all make sure you write < HW:> in the subject or we don't get the messages! DB From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Mar 21 06:15:28 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:15:28 -0000 Subject: HW: question for Dave Message-ID: Hi Nick! Yes we would live to play at the Stables again. It would be a good warm up for the reunion gig! Don't know about Glastonbury yet. Possible UK tour depending on management. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: HW: question for Dave > Hi Dave, > > have there been any real discussions about the band appearing at Glasters > this year? It really would be the ideal venue for the much-talked-about > reunion. What are the plans for albums/touring this year? Jerry told me at > him, Ron and Richard's gig in Bath last December that a full tour was > projected for the autumn this year. At that time he still seemed pretty > committed to HW, perhaps he could spend some time online to clear this > matter up? Any chance that you play at the Stables here again? Of the four > gigs I caught last November that was by far my favourite, everyone seemed to > be having a great time, both on stage and off. It'd make a good warm-up > venue for a tour sometime. > > All the best for the future and I look forward to catching the band again > sooner rather then later. > > Nick > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 21 06:20:32 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:20:32 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 In-Reply-To: <38D6A716.7794ECD4@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 20 Mar 00, at 17:32, Albert Bouchard wrote: > There was quite a bit rivalry there as we always were quick to admit > Sab's influence on us and Ozzy seemed to take it as a compliment. > However, Dio (AKA Ronny James Dio) was from upstate (remember Ronnie > Dio and the Prophets or Elf?) Sure do! I saw Elf many times as a bar band. In fact I still have their first album somewhere... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 07:24:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:24:34 EST Subject: HW: another one for Dave Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/00 2:50:17 PM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << but any chance of a proper length version of "Where Are They Now?" on an album near us soon? I honestly reckon that the short version on the Weird tapes is one of the strongest of that style in the whole collection. >> ========== twas a throwaway. listen close.... twould be unlikely for revival. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 07:31:43 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:31:43 EST Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/00 1:42:38 AM, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Err, what Jim Lasko letter where Filip? >> ===== gee, comrade, i submitted it to the gang last night at the request of jim lascko. consider not filtering me posts, eh? "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 21 07:41:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:41:28 GMT Subject: HW: another one for Dave In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:24:34 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 3/20/00 2:50:17 PM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > << but any chance of a proper length version of "Where > Are They Now?" on an album near us soon? I honestly reckon that the > short version on the Weird tapes is one of the strongest of that style > in the whole collection. > ========== > twas a throwaway. > listen close.... Sure, but I firmly believe that somewhere in there is a song with the quality of Spirit of the Age. FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 08:01:25 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:01:25 EST Subject: HW: another one for Dave Message-ID: Hi Dave, Do you have any openings for 'joint roller' or 'acid tester'? I'm your guy! Regards, Bill From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 21 08:07:42 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:07:42 +1100 Subject: HW: RE: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE Message-ID: At 11:14 AM 3/21/00 -0000, Thomas Guy wrote: >Trouble is the choice between Alan and Lemmy is a >difficult one for some of us punters! I think Lemmy should re-join, so people could point out the obvious Alan Davey influence on his playing style. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 21 09:49:58 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:49:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Live Legends In-Reply-To: <20000318222951.SQJQ7812.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Michael Crook wrote: > Tim Gadd wrote about Sonic Attack: > > >If that is Ron reading it on the Love in Space 3-track, I agree, though I > >still don't think it's particularly effective.< > > That version sounds like Bob to me, and I agree its not one of his > best. The version I was refering to is on the 'Hawkwind 1997' CD which > is available from HW mission control. I also don't like a musical > background to this track which is one reason why I like this version. I quite like the LiS version, if only because Bob's being so sarcastic on it - "use your *wheels*, it *is* what they are *for*" - but the HW97 one is one of the finest manifestations of sonic chaos I've heard from Hawkwind - if you're going to have `Sonic Attack' played with all instruments, at least make it weird! Mind you, I quite like the _Zones_ version, with that fierce little riff tucked in the middle, it builds up the energy nicely for extra effect when it stops. But these questions have been much on my mind lately, for I was wondering which version would be the best to use when I next get a DJ slot at our local rock night - the purist in me says _Space Ritual_ but it starts very quietly, probably too quietly, and I wonder if one of the more melodic ones might not blend better. However, I don't want to use a Nik version because they're all twice as long as necessary, likewise the album version, and that seems only to leave the LiS and HW97 versions, and I somehow feel this is the wrong decision. Any thoughts anyone? Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett 11 Manhattan Drive, | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 741219 CB4 1JL | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 21 10:54:52 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:54:52 -0500 Subject: BOC:New Compilation Message-ID: Get your 2CD set today - slightly late for Valentines Day, and a bit early for April Fools Day Songs of Love and Devotion by Blue Oyster Cult Disk 1 Eyes on Fire Burning for You Fireworks In Thee Still Burning Light Years of Love (Don't Fear the) Reaper Debbie Denise True Confessions You're Not the One (I Was Looking For) Disk 2 Dominance and Submission Sinful Love She's As Beautiful As a Foot Dr. Music I Love the Night Your Loving Heart Live for Me Goin' through the Motions 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Nosferatu But wait, there's more - act now and we will add two extra songs Demon's Kiss Before the Kiss, A Redcap Get Yours Today! From peke1978 at IOBOX.FI Tue Mar 21 18:18:08 2000 From: peke1978 at IOBOX.FI (Pekka Pesonen) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:18:08 EET Subject: Simon King rules!! Message-ID: I think that Simon King is one of the best rock drummers ever!! Pekka Pesonen ---- Soitto??net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Mar 21 11:35:47 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:35:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends In-Reply-To: ; from jjarrett@CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:49:58PM +0000 Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:49:58PM +0000, Jon Jarrett wrote: > But these questions have been much on my mind lately, for I was > wondering which version would be the best to use when I next get a DJ slot > at our local rock night - the purist in me says _Space Ritual_ but it > starts very quietly, probably too quietly, and I wonder if one of the more > melodic ones might not blend better. Use the Space Ritual one, but crank it at the beginning to cut through the chatter. For extra effect, play it just after something totally innocuous; Abba or whatever. Folks won't know what hit 'em! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Mar 21 11:59:34 2000 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:59:34 +0100 Subject: Simon King rules!! In-Reply-To: <61013616d073c7d067be3b6000ba6576@iobox.fi> Message-ID: > I think that Simon King is one of the best rock drummers ever!! I do not think, I only know. --BArt From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 21 12:29:02 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:29:02 +1100 Subject: Simon King rules!! Message-ID: At 06:18 PM 3/21/00 EET, Pekka Pesonen wrote: > I think that Simon King is one of the best rock drummers ever!! You'll get no argument from me there. King is my favourite drummer ever; period. Everything I've ever heard him play is sublime. Even where he loses it a bit on some of the early live stuff, it's still sublime! :) Some of his playing on HotMG and later albums are amongst the sweetest pieces of percussion ever committed to vinyl IMHO. I might add one of my other very favourite drummers of all time posts the odd thing on this list... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Mar 21 12:34:33 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:34:33 +1100 Subject: HW: another one for Dave Message-ID: At 07:49 PM 3/20/00 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Sorry Dave, I know I've asked this almost more times than Trev has asked >for Time For Sale but any chance of a proper length version of "Where >Are They Now?" on an album near us soon? I honestly reckon that the >short version on the Weird tapes is one of the strongest of that style >in the whole collection. Wow, I hadn't thought of that track in years. Yes, I always liked that song, too, though I don't recall much about it except the melody in the chorus. The verses sound a bit like PXR 5, don't they - or am I thinking of something else? Have to go searching for my old Weird tapes. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Mar 21 13:48:40 2000 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:48:40 GMT Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: Jon Wrote: > But these questions have been much on my mind lately, for I was >wondering which version would be the best to use when I next get a DJ slot >at our local rock night - the purist in me says _Space Ritual_ but it >starts very quietly, probably too quietly, and I wonder if one of the more >melodic ones might not blend better. However, I don't want to use a Nik >version because they're all twice as long as necessary, likewise the >album version, and that seems only to leave the LiS and HW97 versions, and >I somehow feel this is the wrong decision. Any thoughts anyone? Tough one Jon! I love the 'Ritual' version of 'Sonic Attack', but for a rock night I'd use the '97 version. I can just imagine anyone unfamiliar with the track thinking 'what the hell is this?'. You could leave it running as it goes straight into 'Blue Skin' to get things rocking again. All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 21 14:19:29 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:19:29 -0000 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: Well, I wasn't filtering anything with HW or NIK in the subject I thought..... Am I doing something wrong? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 12:31 PM Subject: Re: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! > In a message dated 3/21/00 1:42:38 AM, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > << Err, what Jim Lasko letter where Filip? >> > ===== > gee, comrade, i submitted it to the gang last night > at the request of jim lascko. > > consider not filtering me posts, eh? > > "<>" > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 14:42:39 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:42:39 EST Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/00 6:50:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > But these questions have been much on my mind lately, for I was > wondering which version would be the best to use when I next get a DJ slot > at our local rock night - the purist in me says _Space Ritual_ but it > starts very quietly, probably too quietly, and I wonder if one of the more > melodic ones might not blend better. However, I don't want to use a Nik > version because they're all twice as long as necessary, likewise the > album version, and that seems only to leave the LiS and HW97 versions, and > I somehow feel this is the wrong decision. Any thoughts anyone? Yours, > Jon The Hawklords Live version. best of both worlds--spoken part by Bob over effects rather than music, then good music follows... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 14:49:37 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:49:37 EST Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/00 9:35:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > Wow, I hadn't thought of that track in years. Yes, I always liked that song, > too, though I don't recall much about it except the melody in the chorus. > The verses sound a bit like PXR 5, don't they - or am I thinking of > something else? Have to go searching for my old Weird tapes. I've only heard the Spacehead version(s)! Judging by that, it sounds like a cool song, but seems only to be the Psi-Power riff, PXR5 verses and Fable of a Failed Race pre-choruses. Chuck From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Mar 21 15:11:57 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:11:57 -0700 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: that post didn't make it here in New Mexico, either. Can someone please repost it? thanks, another Mark L From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 21 15:42:29 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:42:29 -0500 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Message-ID: Saving Larry the hassle... >that post didn't make it here in New Mexico, either. Can someone please >repost it? Hello List! Rumours are flying on the internet that Richard and Jerry are leaving Hawkwind to form a band and appear at SD2000. Dave already asked me about it and it's only partly true to my knowledge. There was no talk of anyone actually leaving Hawkwind! They just wanted to do another project to develop their music and keep busy when Hawkwind isn't doing anything. Hawkwind (Dave's decision for the most part) has not said that they will come to SD2000 yet and I still need to have some major band to promote. This is how the idea developed. Certainly having Hawkwind's rhythm section involved in another project would raise some interest among spacerock fans. They were merely trying to figure out how they can still be involved in SD2000 if Dave didn't want to come with Hawkwind. This doesn't mean that there are fatal, permanent problems within Hawkwind or that people are jumping the mothership. It was just one more avenue proposed to keep the spacerock juices flowing! Hawkwind could certainly come (this is our hope) and there will still be room for another project of Richard, Jerry and the two Steves (as they will be forever known!). Much like Anubian Lights and FarFlung playing there. Both bands shared certain members and there's nothing wrong with that! That is certainly why the SD festivals are here. We WANT people to get together to increase the SPACE in their music. Our whole purpose IS to throw people together in combinations that are pleasing to the ear! If another band even half as good as Hawkwind arises out of this, then our mission was sucessfully accomplished. Hawkwind's relationships to each other is really a private matter just between themselves. There are many people involved and I'm sure there's a lot of factors to consider that we know nothing about. Please let people on the list know this because it's important that we all get along together. Unfounded rumours will only create suspicions or bad feelings and destroy what we have going. Thanks! Jim From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 16:17:11 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:17:11 EST Subject: Simon King rules!! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/00 12:05:47 PM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL writes: << > I think that Simon King is one of the best rock drummers ever!! I do not think, I only know. >> ==== y yo tambien!! "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 16:24:09 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:24:09 EST Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/00 2:10:47 PM, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Am I doing something wrong? >> ==== dunno matey, i cant 'filter' like that anyway. and mr.henderson has re-posted the letter from mr. lascko, so maybe you've seen it. btw, my subject title had been: <> ....... "<>" From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Mar 21 17:54:58 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:54:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: Wilhelm Reich (Orgone Accumulator) Message-ID: There's an informative article about Wilhelm Reich at http://www.orgonomy.org/article_134.html... ... I've begun reading _SEX-POL Essays, 1929-1934_, a collection of his writing on subjects such as Freud and Marxism. It is prior to his biomedical (and orgone) research, though so far i've found it contains enlightening discussion about aspects of sexual repression in capitalist society. Reich was once a member of the Communist party in Berlin and was forced to relocate several times as Hitler came to power. They (Communists) eventually kicked him out for promotion of psychoanalysis, while at the same time he was alienated from friends in the psychology business (he was a student and colleague of Freud himself) because of his political activism. His advancement of Freud's techniques are what led him to discover the presence of "bio-energy" (scientology's E-meter comes to mind, though I don't have enough information about Reich's experiments yet), which eventually led to orgone theory. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 22 01:43:47 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:43:47 -0800 Subject: Neu and related Message-ID: To anyone that cares, Keith wrote: I have the boot CD's of Neu! and Neu! 75 that Germanofon made years ago, a 'label' now defunct and long OOP. When the hell these will be officially released is a damn good question that nobody is answering. Ken Matsutani re-released the two La D?sseldorf albums on CD and the spotty Neu! 4 thing (and some other Dinger solo works), but not the 'important' ones IMHO.>> Well, the story I got is that, a while ago, the Japanese wanted to pay Rother and Dinger some vast sum of money to reform to do a tour of Japan and that Rother turned it down point blank. Gives you some idea of the relationship, eh kids!! Then Dinger tried to wrestle the rights to releases the albums officially but got the prospect of law suits flung in his direction by both Rother and the original label, the Germanofon ones came out which Dinger trashed, saying the official ones would come out, then started a battle to get the rights back and this is where it got left, with no sign of a result in sight - pretty good mess, huh!!! ---------- >Does anyone know the solo-albums the guitar player >Michael Rother from NEU did ? Real good stuff. (For US'ers who don't want to shell out import prices, Cleopatra/PP released a compilation CD of Rother's solo material 'Chronicles' I think.)>>>> Shell out no more, coz, all the Rother's are now available at mid-price in Germany care of a reissue of the lot by BSC-Prudence; we stock them all at CD Services (surely you know the e.mail/phione by now), and there is a brand new Rother in the pipeline that should have been out in Nov but can't be too far away now. ----------------- As far as the liner notes goes....OK, so which was it?!? :) I'm inclined to believe Filip, esp. if he's got a copy where Dave Brock is given as the writer of said liner notes. Perhaps Dave has simply forgotten that he's a Neu! fan. :)>>>>>> Well, in my chat with Dave in '79, he liked Neu then - but, hey, tastes change y'know - christ, even I think half of 'Neu 2' is rubbish now, altho' woe betide he who criticises the first album. ------------- Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 22 02:31:33 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:31:33 -0800 Subject: RE;Alan Davey's Bedouin Message-ID: Hi Everybody, For those that may not know, Bedouin will play a one-off concert at Rye, nr Hastings(south of England) on Sat 13th May, supported by the duo of Mr Dibs from Spacehead and Harvey Bainbridge. Just to check the info, keep yer eyes on my site at: www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/space.htm or phone me at CD Services (01382-776595) for details. The Bedouin album is still looking for a home - seveal labels are interested and things are ongoing - by all reports, it's a killer album. Alan kindly provided me at Dead Earnest with the opportunity to release a Davey solo album of previously unreleased tracks - I'll keep you all posted of the outcome. Andy G. From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Mar 21 19:09:33 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:09:33 -0700 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Message-ID: Thanks Keith for the re-post. 2nd time is the charm Mark From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 21 20:39:53 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:39:53 EST Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "McLachlan, Murphy" Subject: lemmy in priest movie Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:47:26 -0600 Size: 3471 URL: From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 22 02:40:22 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:40:22 -0000 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Message-ID: Thanks for this. Boy do I wish I hadn't asked the question on Sunday night in the first place! (though if not me, then surely somebody else). Dave, if you're reading this - apologies for any confusion my question may have caused. Anybody who is going to Bedouin in Plymouth on Thursday - don't shoot me!!!! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: K Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 8:42 PM Subject: Re: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost > Saving Larry the hassle... > > >that post didn't make it here in New Mexico, either. Can someone please > >repost it? > > Hello List! > > Rumours are flying on the internet that Richard and Jerry are leaving > Hawkwind to form a band and appear at SD2000. Dave already asked me > about it and it's only partly true to my knowledge. There was no talk > of anyone actually leaving Hawkwind! > > They just wanted to do another project to develop their music and > keep busy when Hawkwind isn't doing anything. Hawkwind (Dave's > decision for the most part) has not said that they will come to > SD2000 yet and I still need to have some major band to promote. This > is how the idea developed. Certainly having Hawkwind's rhythm section > involved in another project would raise some interest among spacerock > fans. > > They were merely trying to figure out how they can still be involved > in SD2000 if Dave didn't want to come with Hawkwind. This doesn't > mean that there are fatal, permanent problems within Hawkwind or that > people are jumping the mothership. It was just one more avenue > proposed to keep the spacerock juices flowing! > > Hawkwind could certainly come (this is our hope) and there will still > be room for another project of Richard, Jerry and the two Steves (as > they will be forever known!). Much like Anubian Lights and FarFlung > playing there. Both bands shared certain members and there's nothing > wrong with that! That is certainly why the SD festivals are here. We > WANT people to get together to increase the SPACE in their music. Our > whole purpose IS to throw people together in combinations that are > pleasing to the ear! If another band even half as good as Hawkwind > arises out of this, then our mission was sucessfully accomplished. > > Hawkwind's relationships to each other is really a private matter > just between themselves. There are many people involved and I'm sure > there's a lot of factors to consider that we know nothing about. > > Please let people on the list know this because it's important that > we all get along together. > > Unfounded rumours will only create suspicions or bad feelings and > destroy what we have going. > > Thanks! > Jim > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 21 08:05:53 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:05:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave In-Reply-To: <00b501bf928f$33e83da0$d0e693c3@default> Message-ID: At 17.01 +0000 00-03-20, XXX wrote: >Style change because Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell and Nik Turner were >becoming funky, (as in Shaft) "Who's the spacey private dick that's the silver machine with all the Chicks?" "Hawk!" Hmmm .... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 21 08:07:40 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:07:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12.09 -0600 00-03-20, Doug Bates wrote: >Would you entertain the idea of doing a fan poll here on the >list as to what songs HW could add to the set list? More new songs :) And "Upside Down", of course! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 21 08:03:01 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:03:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Question for Dave In-Reply-To: <00aa01bf928f$2c14c300$d0e693c3@default> Message-ID: At 16.23 +0000 00-03-20, XXX wrote: >The reunion will be an all nighter, probably at Brixton. >Maybe I will play more lead guitar if Jerry is not doing it. Yes! Hawkwind is never so Hawkwind as when your guitar is right up front! >I would hope to be working with Simon again. Also promising news. Simon brings lots of color to HW's sound, and is an ideal counterpart to your guitar playing. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Mar 22 08:17:38 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:17:38 -0000 Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? Message-ID: The Krel live version (Also with Mr. Dibs on vocals) from the live mix-desk tape of Reading 1992 (Teepee Tour) blows the Spacehead version out of the water! Whichever way, it's a superb song! Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg [mailto:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] Sent: 21 March 2000 19:50 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Where R Ya Now?? In a message dated 3/21/00 9:35:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > Wow, I hadn't thought of that track in years. Yes, I always liked that song, > too, though I don't recall much about it except the melody in the chorus. > The verses sound a bit like PXR 5, don't they - or am I thinking of > something else? Have to go searching for my old Weird tapes. I've only heard the Spacehead version(s)! Judging by that, it sounds like a cool song, but seems only to be the Psi-Power riff, PXR5 verses and Fable of a Failed Race pre-choruses. Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 22 09:50:34 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:50:34 GMT Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? In-Reply-To: Thomas Guy's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:17:38 -0000 Message-ID: Thomas Guy writes: > The Krel live version (Also with Mr. Dibs on vocals) from the live mix-desk > tape of Reading 1992 (Teepee Tour) blows the Spacehead version out of the > water! I've heard Andy Garibaldi say the same thing. Any chance one of you could post up an MP3 copy of it to a public site? Paul? Could you host that? FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 22 10:06:47 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:06:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Another Question for Dave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:07:40AM -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At 12.09 -0600 00-03-20, Doug Bates wrote: > >Would you entertain the idea of doing a fan poll here on the > >list as to what songs HW could add to the set list? > > More new songs :) > > And "Upside Down", of course! :) Does it occur to anyone else that Upside Down is one step away from being a rap song? It doesn't take much to imagine it. No, I'm not joking either. Steve swann at plutonia.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 22 10:28:07 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:28:07 +0800 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: Hi there I was in a local record store recently and heard a track being played that had an identical riff to Hawkwind's Time We Left. i've also recently heard a track by an Australian artist named Alex LLoyd, who has completlely ripped off Led Zeppelin's Rain Song. It is getting lots of airplay, but I haven't heard any mention of where the tune originates. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting fed up hearing all these artists who are doing this. the ones that sample others recordings aren't doing anything original with them. I even heard another one recently where the first 2 minutes was a Tangerine Dream tune (with nothing extra added), then after the 2 minutes a drum beat, in typical techno fasion, was added to it. I could very easily do that, but I don't want to rip off the artists. Dave Brock even mentioned about hearing someone rip off another of their tunes recently. It's getting out of hand, all these people ripping off all the good non-commercial recordings by other artists. William From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 22 11:13:45 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:13:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? In-Reply-To: <200003221450.OAA08289@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Mike wrote: => Thomas Guy writes: => => > The Krel live version (Also with Mr. Dibs on vocals) from the live mix-desk => > tape of Reading 1992 (Teepee Tour) blows the Spacehead version out of the => > water! => => I've heard Andy Garibaldi say the same thing. Any chance one of you => could post up an MP3 copy of it to a public site? Paul? Could you host => that? Yes, I could host that. Cheers, Paul. NP: Nektar, _Sunday Night at London Roundhouse_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Mar 22 11:23:07 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:23:07 -0000 Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? Message-ID: Being a bit of a techno-dinosaur, I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to create an MP3!! I think my pc at home can create .wav files. Any use? Guy -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 22 March 2000 14:51 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Where R Ya Now?? Thomas Guy writes: > The Krel live version (Also with Mr. Dibs on vocals) from the live mix-desk > tape of Reading 1992 (Teepee Tour) blows the Spacehead version out of the > water! I've heard Andy Garibaldi say the same thing. Any chance one of you could post up an MP3 copy of it to a public site? Paul? Could you host that? FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 22 12:08:48 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:08:48 -0500 Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie Message-ID: Bob forwarded... >Lemmy to star in Judas Priest movie [Mar 17 2000 11:26AM] Motorhead's Lemmy is to >star in a movie about the infamous Judas Priest court case As himself? >alleging that a subliminal message on the song Better By You, Better By Me from >the Stained Class album prompted the teenager to make a suicide pact with pal >James Vance. Really? I heard a lot about this case, but didn't know the particular song in question was not even theirs! I guess the idiots shoulda sued Mike Harrison and Gary Wright instead. :) (It's Better *than* Me, BTW.) Well, somebody shoulda sued Gary Wright for that Dream Weaver song anyway. :) >Vance claimed they'd been told to kill themselves in a hidden incantation on >Stained Class which could be heard when he record was played backwards - a tragic >effect of one of rock's most popular apocryphal stories. My God...the fact that this case even went to trial is a real sad indication of the state of our judicial system. Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 22 12:12:13 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:12:13 EDT Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie In-Reply-To: <200003221710.MAA00580@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 22 Mar 00, at 12:08, K Henderson wrote: > >Vance claimed they'd been told to kill themselves in a hidden > >incantation on Stained Class which could be heard when he record was > >played backwards - a > tragic >effect of one of rock's most popular apocryphal stories. > > My God...the fact that this case even went to trial is a real sad > indication of the state of our judicial system. > This story is not apocryphal. It really happened. It was the subject of a documentary on PBS several years ago. In fact, the outcome vindicated the judicial system. The judge said, in effect, that even if the band had shouted the lyrics: 'go kill yourself' they couldn't be held accountable. But then the judge said that he could find nothing in the lyrics of the song that were actionable. It was a really sad affair. The parents were bible-heads, and were trying to force their morality onto their son. He rebelled, and became fond of heavy music as a means to protest the parents' beliefs. The parents, who were more to blame for the kid's actions than JP, were hustled by some shyster who told them they could sue these rich rock stars. Obviously, the parents thought they themselves were blameless, and all they had to hear was the lawyer's spiel to make themselves feel better. This was the thrust of the case: the parents were trying to find a means of self forgiveness. It backfired. The band acquited themselves very well during the trial, and their testimony was sensible and very responsible. The cas was never close to hurting the band. Maybe even helped their career. When the trial was held, the kid was still alive. He dies of OD later... BTW, there are 2 other flicks in the works that closely resemble parts of the JP saga. At one point, Brad Pitt was to play the equivalent of 'Ripper' Owens! Not sure of the status of either project at this time... theo From kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK Wed Mar 22 13:38:05 2000 From: kalyr at CLARA.CO.UK (Tim Hall) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:38:05 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF - Black and Blue In-Reply-To: <38D62B63.43EEE3C5@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote: > I remember having Black Sabbath's live album, *Live >Evil* with Dio on vocals - I remember distinctly thinking that some of >it worked (Iron Man, Children of the Grave), and other didn't (Paranoid, >NIB). 'War Pigs' was the worst. I quite liked the way he re-interpreted NIB -- | Tim Hall, timjh at compuserve.com | http://www.kalyr.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 22 13:48:04 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Priest movie Message-ID: Theo follows with... >>>Vance claimed they'd been told to kill themselves in a hidden >>>incantation on Stained Class which could be heard when he record was >>>played backwards - a tragic effect of one of rock's most popular apocryphal >>>stories. >> >> My God...the fact that this case even went to trial is a real sad >> indication of the state of our judicial system. > >This story is not apocryphal. I think the news story means to say that rock artists' intential use of backmasking is 'apocryphal.' Or that Vance's claim of hearing these messages is unsubstantiated. Everyone knows the court case is real. >It really happened. It was the subject >of a documentary on PBS several years ago. In fact, the >outcome vindicated the judicial system. Pffttt...What I meant was...don't we have grand juries that are supposed to determine what cases are even reasonable enough to go to trial? And that this one certainly should never have been put before a real courtroom, seeing as the claims are so ridiculously based on 'subliminal backmasking' and that sort of thing. >The judge said, in effect, >that even if the band had shouted the lyrics: 'go kill yourself' they >couldn't be held accountable. But then the judge said that he could >find nothing in the lyrics of the song that were actionable. And of course, JP didn't write the lyrics to the song indicated in the story. At least it wasn't "Diamonds and Rust." :) Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 22 13:23:10 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:23:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Priest movie In-Reply-To: <200003221843.NAA02879@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 22 Mar 00, at 13:48, K Henderson wrote: > Pffttt...What I meant was...don't we have grand juries that are > supposed to determine what cases are even reasonable enough to go to > trial? No! Only as far as criminal cases go. Anyone can sue anyone else in a civil case, I'm afraid. But usually, the judge has some discretion in throwing the case out as unmeritricious. I suspect the plaintiffs' lawyer had done enough homework and presented the case in such a way that the judge had no choice but hear the case in court... theo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Mar 22 14:38:26 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:38:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lemmy in Priest movie In-Reply-To: <200003221843.NAA02879@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:48:04PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:48:04PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > And of course, JP didn't write the lyrics to the song indicated in the story. > At least it wasn't "Diamonds and Rust." :) Or Don't Fear the Reaper :-/ -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 22 14:55:40 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:55:40 +1100 Subject: HW: Trev Hughes Message-ID: Would someone mind posting Trev Hughes' mailing address; or email it to me if it's a matter of any confidentiality? (probably turn out to be the same as it was 18 years ago ;)) Thanks -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Wed Mar 22 13:47:39 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:47:39 -0500 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: You are forwarding as attachment, Larry. It may be the only option AOL gives ya, but if ya can, forward it 'inline," so the text appears in the body of your message. That is why so many missed it the first time, they didn't click on the attachment. Ron -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 4:35 PM Subject: Re: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! >In a message dated 3/21/00 2:10:47 PM, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > ><< Am I doing something wrong? > > >> >==== >dunno matey, i cant 'filter' like that anyway. >and mr.henderson has re-posted the letter from mr. lascko, so maybe you've >seen it. > >btw, my subject title had been: ><> > >....... >"<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 22 15:50:35 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:50:35 EST Subject: lemmy in priest movie Message-ID: mark wahlberg (sp?) IS going to play 'ripper'; but the movie ("Metal God") is only loosely based on the Priest /ripper story, with all names (including J priest's) changed. zak wylde (of ozzy's band) is in the band that appears in the movie. rmayo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 22 21:52:41 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:52:41 -0800 Subject: Where R You Now Message-ID: Thomas Guy writes: > The Krel live version (Also with Mr. Dibs on vocals) from the live mix-desk > tape of Reading 1992 (Teepee Tour) blows the Spacehead version out of the > water! I've heard Andy Garibaldi say the same thing. Any chance one of you could post up an MP3 copy of it to a public site? Paul? Could you host that? ---------- Please everybody bear in mind that the Spacehead version on the 'In Space We Trust' CD is a DEMO version - the whole CD is a sort of Spacehead travelogue of line-ups from the first CD to the next studio offering - had we actually out it out now, it would have most likely been a double as there have now been three more lineup changes since then, the most recent and looking like the most stable, being that Martin from Dr Hasbeen is now a full-time member of Spacehead but that Dr Hasbeen are NOT dead and buried, and Martin Has a new sideline, the 'NASA Conspiracy Project' which is a solo affair and should produce a CD shortly. As to Krel, Dead Earnest hopes to have the Krel archives out on CD starting from later on in the year. Andy G. From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 22 16:18:05 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:18:05 -0000 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Message-ID: Hi Ian, I'm going to Beduion on Thursday night but can't get through to The Cooperage to find out what time it starts?? Cheers Doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 23 00:22:07 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:22:07 -0800 Subject: Krel, MP3 and similar Message-ID: Might I just remind you that, while I'm not out to stop anyone's fun with Mp3 things, it is hoped that the Krel thing you are on about (Where Are You Now) will be issued on a CD sometime down the line - in line with previous posting on archive Krel and Dead Earnest - the speed at which Martin is currently providing new material for a new CD means we should have the entire Krel back catalogue and probably have invented ten more, by the time a new one comes out. As to the comments re-Hawkwind, I know that Dave admires Mr Dibs of Spacehead's bass playing so how about making me a happy man, Dave, with the new Hawkwind line-up of Dead Earnest artists MR Dibs (Spacehead) - bass, Martin M (Krel) synths and rhythm guitar - sadly, apart from USA drummer extraordinaire, Bob Thompson, I don't seem to have a drummer in the camp, so who can we get to drum for Hawkwind, who hasn't done it before (just kidding, Richard!!???!!!) All the best to one and all, Andy G. From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 22 18:23:58 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:23:58 +0000 Subject: Krel, MP3 and similar In-Reply-To: <38D9A9FF.2169@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 05:22 23/03/00 , ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >As to the comments re-Hawkwind, I know that Dave admires Mr Dibs of >Spacehead's bass playing so how about making me a happy man, Dave, with >the new Hawkwind line-up of Dead Earnest artists MR Dibs (Spacehead) - I'll stick with Ron, thanks!! Dave (no, not that Dave). From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 22 18:37:19 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:37:19 -0500 Subject: Krel, MP3 and similar In-Reply-To: <38D9A9FF.2169@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: => Might I just remind you that, while I'm not out to stop anyone's fun => with Mp3 things, it is hoped that the Krel thing you are on about (Where => Are You Now) will be issued on a CD sometime down the line - in line => with previous posting on archive Krel and Dead Earnest - the speed at => which Martin is currently providing new material for a new CD means we => should have the entire Krel back catalogue and probably have invented => ten more, by the time a new one comes out. I wouldn't put up anything that Krel weren't cool about, but it would be nice publicity for them to get a choice song into the hands (ears) of hungry space rock fans (especially if a CD is long in seeing release). Cheers, Paul. NP: Nektar, _Sunday Night at London Roundhouse_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 22 18:41:08 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:41:08 -0500 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, William Duffy wrote: => I was in a local record store recently and heard a track being played that => had an identical riff to Hawkwind's Time We Left. i've also recently heard a That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, would it? :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Blue Oyster Cult, _Live From New York City '72_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 22 19:46:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:34 EST Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/00 6:41:25 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, would it? :-) >> ==== betcha it was....heh and dont they sing "if six was nine" on top of that riff? hyuk == "<>" From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Mar 22 19:58:58 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:58:58 -0000 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: the dance tune that cheesboy judge jules has been playing on his radio one shoe that dave brock mentioned rips them off does anyone know anymore about it? colm >In a message dated 3/22/00 6:41:25 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: > ><< >That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, >would it? :-) > >> >==== >betcha it was....heh >and dont they sing "if six was nine" on top of that riff? >hyuk >== >"<>" > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 22 19:57:50 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:57:50 EST Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/00 3:38:32 PM, sprawl at STARPOWER.NET writes: << You are forwarding as attachment, Larry. >> ======= nah. i forward a lot, yes? i didnt make it an 'attachment'. must be a matter of whether or not i cut and paste it on a new page, or simply forward. more BOC-L folx than not got the forward. speaking of forwards, there's also the kind which show up blank! hey, the access call is free. "<>" ps>you've got mail! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 22 20:15:06 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:15:06 +0800 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Paul Mather > Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2000 7:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes > > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, William Duffy wrote: > > => I was in a local record store recently and heard a track being > played that > => had an identical riff to Hawkwind's Time We Left. i've also > recently heard a > > That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, > would it? :-) > It wasn't them. It was some obscure American band with a long, forgetable name. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Mar 22 20:48:19 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:48:19 -0600 Subject: HW: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: It might not have been Monster Magnet this time but they've ripped off a riff or two for sure . . . Have to give Monster Magnet credit for giving HW credit though! On the interactive Monster Magnet CD, "I Talk to Planets," there's an article about MM's influences that starts out: Q: I noticed that you credited Hawkwind as an influence. A: You're talking about one of the greatest bands ever - in their early period. 20 minute songs, sounds like fucking Black Sabbath at 45 with strobe lights pointed at the audience. Nothing like frying people's brains. Naked dancing people ... I did some screen shots and posted them as pdf files here: http://www.claim.to/pdf/mmhw1.pdf http://www.claim.to/pdf/mmhw2.pdf http://www.claim.to/pdf/mmhw3.pdf Sorry, they're about 400k each. If you need the free Adobe Acrobat Reader, you can get it here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html Dave B, if you're still reading . . . I guess that would be my question for you! Have you ever met/chatted with Dave Wyndorf from Monster Magnet? Any additional comments? Thanks! Karen William Duffy wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Paul Mather > > Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2000 7:41 > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, William Duffy wrote: > > > > => I was in a local record store recently and heard a track being > > played that > > => had an identical riff to Hawkwind's Time We Left. i've also > > recently heard a > > > > That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, > > would it? :-) > > > It wasn't them. It was some obscure American band with a long, forgetable > name. -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Mar 22 22:28:09 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:28:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Kilminterview on Hawkwind.com Message-ID: Lemmy's responses are now availible for all to click upon on hawkwind.com a very short "interview" by the fans, indeed. Nothing sez fun like Adorno's Aesthetic Theory Jason From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 00:16:45 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:16:45 +1100 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: At 06:41 PM 3/22/00 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, William Duffy wrote: > >=> I was in a local record store recently and heard a track being played that >=> had an identical riff to Hawkwind's Time We Left. i've also recently heard a > >That wouldn't happen to be Monster Magnet's "Bummer" from _Powertrip_, >would it? :-) Haven't heard that, but track 3 from 'Dopes to Infinity' sounds like a grunge version of 'Children of the Sun'. Same melody and riff anyway. If that's very common knowledge, 'scuse me :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 00:22:01 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:22:01 +1100 Subject: HW: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: At 07:48 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Karen Kusic wrote: >Black Sabbath at 45 That'd be a few years back... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Mar 23 00:28:08 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:28:08 -0600 Subject: HW: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes In-Reply-To: <20000323052200.ZPMR26568.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> from "Tim Gadd" at Mar 23, 0 04:22:01 pm Message-ID: 45rpm ;) > > At 07:48 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Karen Kusic wrote: > > >Black Sabbath at 45 > > That'd be a few years back... > > > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 23 00:56:15 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:56:15 EST Subject: is that your final answer, Lem? Message-ID: >From Hawkwind.com:Lemmy's answers: <> there you have it! rmayo grinning... From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 23 02:10:04 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:10:04 -0000 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Message-ID: Yeah I had that problem. Not sure if I'm going, it's weather dependent (got to come from Cornwall, say 65 miles so don't want to do it if rain is really bad). If I'm there - I'm still the guy in the denim jacket with the "Joker" from Batman on the back (as per St Austell last year). Say Hi! ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel.kew To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: Re: HW:HAWKWIND/Lascko repost Hi Ian, I'm going to Beduion on Thursday night but can't get through to The Cooperage to find out what time it starts?? Cheers Doc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 03:14:41 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:14:41 +1100 Subject: HW: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: At 11:28 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Karen Kusic wrote: >45rpm ;) Well, that'd be a few years back, too.. :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 03:20:03 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:20:03 +1100 Subject: is that your final answer, Lem? Message-ID: At 12:56 AM 3/23/00 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote: >>From Hawkwind.com:Lemmy's answers: > ><the fledgling Motorhead open for on their first-ever and legendary gig at the >Roundhouse, if anyone? some say Hawkwind, some say Blue Oyster Cult, some >assume Motorhead headlined as the majority of written material written about >Motorhead doesn't name another band at all as being part of the gig. what's >the deal, if you would be so kind? > >Lemmy: Greenslade!!>> What??!! No wonder the audience didn't know what to make of it. What a mis-match. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 23 04:55:13 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:55:13 EST Subject: OFF: Krel, MP3 and similar Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/00 3:29:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK writes: > >the new Hawkwind line-up of Dead Earnest artists MR Dibs (Spacehead) - > > I'll stick with Ron, thanks!! Refering to Dibs' vocal style? I really like it! Kind of a cross between Brock and Bainbridge, but more aggressive for the '90s...Anyway, I really like this band, can't wait for the next CD...Andy--is it gonna be more like that last track "Space Junk"? Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 23 06:24:43 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:24:43 GMT Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:28:07 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting fed up hearing all these > artists who are doing this. the ones that sample others recordings aren't > doing anything original with them. I even heard another one recently where > the first 2 minutes was a Tangerine Dream tune (with nothing extra added), > then after the 2 minutes a drum beat, in typical techno fasion, was added to > it. Is that the one with the "Invisible Limits" tune from Stratosfear? I kinda like it. > William FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 23 06:27:24 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:27:24 GMT Subject: HW: Where R Ya Now?? In-Reply-To: Thomas Guy's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:23:07 -0000 Message-ID: Thomas Guy writes: > Being a bit of a techno-dinosaur, I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to > create an MP3!! > I think my pc at home can create .wav files. Any use? Yep. There are several free utilities you can download which will convert wav to mp3 files, but I'll leave it to those who do this more often and therefore know more than I do to recommend which is easiest/best to use... Take it away Paul/guys... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 23 06:29:39 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:29:39 GMT Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: > >Lemmy to star in Judas Priest movie [Mar 17 2000 11:26AM] Motorhead's Lemmy > is to >star in a movie about the infamous Judas Priest court case [...] > My God...the fact that this case even went to trial is a real sad indication > of the state of our judicial system. And Tipper Gore may be in the White House. Maybe her special project will be "Satanic Messages Included" stickers on CDs. > Keith H. (FAA) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 23 06:33:47 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:33:47 GMT Subject: Krel, MP3 and similar In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:22:07 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Might I just remind you that, while I'm not out to stop anyone's fun > with Mp3 things, it is hoped that the Krel thing you are on about (Where > Are You Now) will be issued on a CD sometime down the line That's good to hear. Maybe an MP3 file could be a sort of unoffoicial pre-publicity around these parts? > Andy G. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 23 06:34:59 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:34:59 +0800 Subject: OT: People ripping off others tunes In-Reply-To: <200003231124.LAA00611@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It might have been that one> It was from that period. I could check my collection to see. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2000 7:25 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OT: People ripping off others tunes > > > William Duffy writes: > > > I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting fed up > hearing all these > > artists who are doing this. the ones that sample others > recordings aren't > > doing anything original with them. I even heard another one > recently where > > the first 2 minutes was a Tangerine Dream tune (with nothing > extra added), > > then after the 2 minutes a drum beat, in typical techno fasion, > was added to > > it. > > Is that the one with the "Invisible Limits" tune from Stratosfear? I > kinda like it. > > > William > > FoFP > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 23 06:16:48 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:16:48 EDT Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie In-Reply-To: <200003231129.LAA02742@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > And Tipper Gore may be in the White House. Maybe her special project > will be "Satanic Messages Included" stickers on CDs. > But you'll notice that Tipper's been dead silent on that subject since Al's been in the right-hand seat. In fact, if Al's elected, Tipper will have even less to say about it. And, consider the alternative! theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 23 08:17:13 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:17:13 EST Subject: lemmy in priest movie Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/00 7:17:28 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << And, consider the alternative! >> ======= possible alternatives include forcing her to listen to the last 2 DMX cd's back to back, and providing a pillow on the floor for when she keels over! (eyeroll) "<>" From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 08:35:00 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:35:00 +1100 Subject: HW: Australian 25 years on Message-ID: Was in a used record store yesterday, and picked up an Australian 1979 vinyl pressing of the Hawklords album in case anyone wants it. If you write to me at you can have it for what it cost me, which I'd have to go look, but I think was about $5 US. Note that airmail postage to the US is about $8 though. Pink writing, inner sleeve. remaindered hole punched through lower left corner of cover. Overall condition is good except for a little ring wear on cover. Vinyl looks very good. If no-one wants it, I'll make a point of asking first next time ;) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 23 10:33:58 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:33:58 PST Subject: British Steel Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans, As a follow-up to some of your Judas Priest comments. I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that one of the results of the case in question was Halford's departure from the band. Can anyone confirm this? As I say, this might not be true, but if it is, that's a big bummer. Especially, after putting out the great "response" album "Painkiller" after several weak, boring and lame releases like "Turbo". I have read several interviews w/ Halford. Some of them in Cleveland's own Scene magazine. Halford is TOTALLY anti-priest now and will NEVER perform a JP song again. He had performed some JP tunes w/ his first post JP band Fight. I have heard these versions and they pale in comparison to the originals and Halford's voice was not up to standard, in any way. Maybe, he was tired, end of the tour etc., but these were actually on an official release. One would think that he would have kept them from being included........ At any rate. I saw JP about 15 times, starting in 1980 on "Heavy Metal Tuesday" in Cleveland at Cleveland Public Hall w/ the then unknown Def Leopard, before they sucked, and the Scorpions after just releasing 'Animal Magnetism'. Kickass show! My last JP show was at Hara Arena in Dayton, Ohio on the Painkiller Tour w/ Megadeth and....was it Testament or Overkill? That show was kickass too! I have listened to post-Halford JP releases, both live and studio in record stores. It's great that Halford's replacement is from Ohio, but he can NOT even begin to compare w/ Halford. JP put out some pretty killer albums. Sad Wings of Destiny, Screaming for Vengeance and Painkiller come to mind. I actually like Rocka Rolla too! JP's stage show was one of the best, as well. Right up there w/ Maiden in their prime. Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? Guess that might be a VH1 'where are they now question'. (joke) Free Wheel Burning Darrin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 23 06:07:55 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:07:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000322222809.006932f4@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: a little piece from this mornings popbitch mailing : _____________________________________________________________ :> Lemmy's Nazi love <: Heavy metal man does it Himmler-style Warty rocker Lemmy has been in the news for having weirdo sex with a Playboy model while wearing full Nazi uniform, including a cap that used to belong to Heinrich Himmler. "I thought it was a bit strange but the sex was absolutely brilliant," said Julie Wilson. Motorhead issued a statement through their lawyer: "Lemmy's delighted with the article," it said. -- Jon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 23 11:05:54 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:05:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: British Steel Message-ID: Greetings Darrin, from an ex-Clevelander, >As a follow-up to some of your Judas Priest comments. > >I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that one of the results of the >case in question was Halford's departure from the band. > >Can anyone confirm this? I always thought he left because of musical differences, but then I don't remember much about it, because of the 'several weak, boring and lame releases like "Turbo"' you mentioned. I lost interest for awhile. >I have read several interviews w/ Halford. Some of them in Cleveland's own >Scene magazine. What's happened to Scene these days....doesn't seem to be nearly as good as it once was. >At any rate. I saw JP about 15 times, starting in 1980 on "Heavy Metal >Tuesday" in Cleveland at Cleveland Public Hall The 'Hall of Echoes.' Miserable acoustics, that place. Bryan Ferry, Jeff Beck and SRV I remember seeing there. >JP put out some pretty killer albums. Sad Wings of Destiny, Screaming for >Vengeance and Painkiller come to mind. I actually like Rocka Rolla too! >JP's stage show was one of the best, as well. Right up there w/ Maiden in >their prime. Yeah, I remember my first ever rock concert - Stanley Theatre in Pittsburgh, 1980. First, Iron Maiden (pre-Dickenson?, completely unknown), then the 'good' Whitesnake (Moody/Marsden et al.), and then Judas Priest. Rob Halford riding his Harley down the aisles, up a ramp and onto the stage...then down the other side and back up the aisle. Basically doing laps around the audience. That was pretty impressive to a sheltered 16-yr. old from a rural Amish town. >Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? I thought he was working with Trent Reznor now. Never heard any of that. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I think Reznor is from Mercer, PA, which is about five miles away from that rural Amish town I was talking about. Is that right? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 23 11:16:55 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:16:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia In-Reply-To: <0chCwBALsf24Eweb@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Jon Browne wrote: => a little piece from this mornings popbitch mailing : => _____________________________________________________________ => :> Lemmy's Nazi love <: => Heavy metal man does it Himmler-style => => Warty rocker Lemmy has been in the news for having => weirdo sex with a Playboy model while wearing full => Nazi uniform, including a cap that used to belong => to Heinrich Himmler. "I thought it was a bit strange => but the sex was absolutely brilliant," said Julie => Wilson. Motorhead issued a statement through their => lawyer: "Lemmy's delighted with the article," it said. This sounds just like a scene right out of a Calvert novel! ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Fairport Convention, _What We Did On Our Holidays_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 23 10:17:16 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:16 EDT Subject: British Steel In-Reply-To: <20000323153358.57648.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 23 Mar 00, at 7:33, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > Greetings Hawkfans, > > As a follow-up to some of your Judas Priest comments. > > I could be wrong, but it's my understanding that one of the results of > the case in question was Halford's departure from the band. > > Can anyone confirm this? > I can't say, but I really doubt it, as Rob left the band several years after the trial... > As I say, this might not be true, but if it is, that's a big bummer. > Especially, after putting out the great "response" album "Painkiller" > after several weak, boring and lame releases like "Turbo". > > I have read several interviews w/ Halford. Some of them in Cleveland's > own Scene magazine. Halford is TOTALLY anti-priest now and will NEVER > perform a JP song again. He'll probably never have a hit record again either! He had performed some JP tunes w/ his first > post JP band Fight. I have heard these versions and they pale in > comparison to the originals and Halford's voice was not up to > standard, in any way. Maybe, he was tired, end of the tour etc., but > these were actually on an official release. One would think that he > would have kept them from being included........ > > At any rate. I saw JP about 15 times, starting in 1980 on "Heavy Metal > Tuesday" in Cleveland at Cleveland Public Hall w/ the then unknown Def > Leopard, before they sucked, and the Scorpions after just releasing > 'Animal Magnetism'. Kickass show! > > My last JP show was at Hara Arena in Dayton, Ohio on the Painkiller > Tour w/ Megadeth and....was it Testament or Overkill? > I caught a show on the Painkiller tour too. An outdoor gig with Alice Cooper and Motorhead on the bill! JP headlined... > That show was kickass too! > > I have listened to post-Halford JP releases, both live and studio in > record stores. It's great that Halford's replacement is from Ohio, but > he can NOT even begin to compare w/ Halford. > Esp. regarding the lyrics. God, I wince when I read the words to most of the Jugulator tunes. When's JP's new record coming out? I hear they jumped ship from CMC to Atlantic... > JP put out some pretty killer albums. Sad Wings of Destiny, Screaming > for Vengeance and Painkiller come to mind. I actually like Rocka Rolla > too! > They really hit their stride with SfV, then, sadly, the next few seemed to be trying to duplicate it... > JP's stage show was one of the best, as well. Right up there w/ Maiden > in their prime. > I've got a concert video that coincided with their Live album, and it is a great production. Maybe 7 cameras, and well directed. Lots of closeups of the gtr playing etc. Always thought Glenn was way undervalued in the gtr community. Never got the props he deserved, both as a player and songwriter. Too bad his lyric writing isn't in the same league as his playing > Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? > > Guess that might be a VH1 'where are they now question'. (joke) Never did hear any Fight stuff theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 23 10:20:57 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:20:57 EDT Subject: OFF: British Steel In-Reply-To: <200003231607.LAA04511@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 23 Mar 00, at 11:05, K Henderson wrote: > Yeah, I remember my first ever rock concert - Stanley Theatre in > Pittsburgh, 1980. First, Iron Maiden (pre-Dickenson?, completely > unknown), then the 'good' Whitesnake (Moody/Marsden et al.), and then > Judas Priest. Rob Halford riding his Harley down the aisles, up a > ramp and onto the stage...then down the other side and back up the > aisle. Basically doing laps around the audience. That was pretty > impressive to a sheltered 16-yr. old from a rural Amish town. I caught a show on this tour as well, though it was just IM and JP. Great gig... theo > >Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? > > I thought he was working with Trent Reznor now. Never heard any of > that. > > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. I think Reznor is from Mercer, PA, which is about five miles > away from that rural Amish town I was talking about. Is that right? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 23 10:25:33 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:25:33 EDT Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Mar 00, at 11:16, Paul Mather wrote: > NP: Fairport Convention, _What We Did On Our Holidays_ > Paul, Didn;t I read somewhere that none other than you and Carl were founding members of the Richard Thompson list? How come you guys aren't on that list anymore? theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 23 11:28:18 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:28:18 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: Tim 'scuses himself with... >Haven't heard that, but track 3 from 'Dopes to Infinity' sounds like a >grunge version of 'Children of the Sun'. Same melody and riff anyway. If >that's very common knowledge, 'scuse me :) Well, that came up about six months' ago, and one or two people here said they didn't get that feeling. I, for one, upon hearing it for the first time, went to look at the liner notes to see where Dave Anderson and Nik Turner were credited. :) Keith H. (FAA) From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Mar 23 11:31:26 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:31:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: At last I've got something, mainly for Keith H's benefit but some others may be interested. I had to tie Martyn down and rack his brains to get this info, it is straight from the memory so forgive any minor errors. The list you have (below) is the completist list and should now read:- Inside Your Mind CD 73 minutes Compilation + 2 unreleased tracks from 1995 - 1998 Tracks are remixed versions of 2125 & Spirit of Brock All studio versions. Prophetic Verses CD 68 minutes Released 1998 - All studio versions Tracks are Prophetic Obscurities remixed + extras All rhythm and programmed drums Visions of the Afterlife CD 70 minutes released 1999 - studio versions Using drum programmes for some tracks ans Paul Boers (ex Spacehead) on others, not sure which yet, sorry. All the above are original material (AFAIK) Bridgewater Jam Recorded live 1997 CD(Ltd) 72 minutes (Only 5 copies left) Raw, powerful, bootleg quality, mixed material (original + HW covers) The titles not include from the list below are now unavailable, mainly due to the fact that we've now replaced the others by remix or compilation. Anybody who wants to can blame Andy G for the remixes, he grumbled that the vocal mix wasn't good enough on the earlier release IIRC (Only kidding Andy). FYI, Martyn has been working on a side project with which I am now also involved, 'The NASA Conspiracy', which we are hoping to get into release form this summer (funds allowing). We have made one live recording recently but are totally unhappy with the quality of the mix so we're still trying, when we get it together we will be releasing this as (? Phoenix Rising ?) a live fulll-length CD of original material and, thanks to kind permission of DB some HW covers. We expect this to be ready about the same time as NASA. BTW Keith, Martyn wondered, purely out of interest, where'd ya get the disc from ? -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: 15 March 2000 18:19 Subject: HW:/OFF: Dr. Hasbeen Hi Folks... Can someone give me a rundown of the Dr. Hasbeen discography? I've just got Spirit of Brock, but I've seen mention of all of these titles at one point. 2125 The Prophetic Obscurities Spirit of Brock Inside Your Mind The Prophetic Verses Visions of the Afterlife The Bridgewater Jam - Live I'd like to know what order they were released (year if possible), CD v. CD-R, length (EP v. full-length), studio v. live, important instrumentation details (like drums v. drum-machine), sound quality, all-original v. compilation, anything that might be important. IIRC, there's someone here who is/was with the group, izzat right? In that case, help! Thanks...Keith H. (FAA) From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 12:31:57 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:31:57 +1100 Subject: HW:/OFF: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: At 11:28 AM 3/23/00 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Tim 'scuses himself with... > >>Haven't heard that, but track 3 from 'Dopes to Infinity' sounds like a >>grunge version of 'Children of the Sun'. Same melody and riff anyway. If >>that's very common knowledge, 'scuse me :) > >Well, that came up about six months' ago, and one or two people here said >they didn't get that feeling. I, for one, upon hearing it for the first >time, went to look at the liner notes to see where Dave Anderson and Nik >Turner were credited. :) Speaking of Dave Anderson, I picked up Amon Duul II's 'Yeti' on CD yesterday - bliss! Great album, great bass playing, and transcribed to CD much better than Dance of the Lemmings. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 12:37:34 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:37:34 +1100 Subject: HW: Australian 25 years on Message-ID: Lp's been claimed. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 23 13:14:18 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Subject: was: ripping off, now AD2 Message-ID: Tim blisses himself with... >Speaking of Dave Anderson, I picked up Amon Duul II's 'Yeti' on CD yesterday >- bliss! >Great album, great bass playing, and transcribed to CD much better than >Dance of the Lemmings. Which versions do you have? They have licenced their albums to about six different labels all over the world, so it's hard to know what's best to get. France-Mantra Germany-Repertoire Japan-Captain Trip England-Mystic USA-random stuff on Cleo/PP comps. any more??? I think my Yeti is a Mantra, but my Dance is a Cap'n Trip. Do you have Wolf City? That's my favourite! And if you ever decide to get Made in Germany, make sure you get the Repertoire one, the version that is the 2LP rock opera restored...not the stupid single LP version that prevailed for years. Keith H. (FAA) From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Mar 23 13:30:17 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:30:17 -0600 Subject: HW:/OFF: People ripping off others tunes Message-ID: ...I always thought Lenny Kravitz's "Fly Away" or whatever it's called was ripping off Thorpe's "Children of Sun" riff, too... Thomas K Henderson wrote: > Tim 'scuses himself with... > > >Haven't heard that, but track 3 from 'Dopes to Infinity' sounds like a > >grunge version of 'Children of the Sun'. Same melody and riff anyway. If > >that's very common knowledge, 'scuse me :) > > Well, that came up about six months' ago, and one or two people here said > they didn't get that feeling. I, for one, upon hearing it for the first > time, went to look at the liner notes to see where Dave Anderson and Nik > Turner were credited. :) > > Keith H. (FAA) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 23 13:29:42 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:29:42 -0000 Subject: ripping off, now AD2 In-Reply-To: <200003231809.NAA18652@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > Which versions do you have? They have licenced their albums to about six > different labels all over the world, so it's hard to know what's > best to get. > France-Mantra > Germany-Repertoire > Japan-Captain Trip > England-Mystic > USA-random stuff on Cleo/PP comps. > any more??? Quite a lot of stuff on east/west as well - good old Gerhard! ;) Anyway, the best version to get of _Yeti_ is the Captain Trip, because it doesn't edit "Pale Gallery" like all the others. I thought it sounded better than my old Mantra copy, too, and has nicer packaging. Captain Trip have a nice little website now, at http://www.md.xaxon.ne.jp/~cpttrip/egs.html -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 23 13:54:49 2000 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:54:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Trev Hughes Message-ID: Zephyr, PO Box 6 Liscard Wallasey Merseyside L45 4SJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gadd" To: "Multiple recipients of list BOC-L" Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: HW: Trev Hughes > Would someone mind posting Trev Hughes' mailing address; or email it to me > if it's a matter of any confidentiality? (probably turn out to be the same > as it was 18 years ago ;)) > > Thanks > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 13:59:28 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:59:28 +1100 Subject: was: ripping off, now AD2 Message-ID: At 01:14 PM 3/23/00 -0500, K Henderson wrote: >Tim blisses himself with... > >>Speaking of Dave Anderson, I picked up Amon Duul II's 'Yeti' on CD yesterday >>- bliss! >>Great album, great bass playing, and transcribed to CD much better than >>Dance of the Lemmings. > >Which versions do you have? They have licenced their albums to about six >different labels all over the world, so it's hard to know what's best to get. >France-Mantra That one. It's very flat, dynamically. Yeti is on Repertoire, and it sounds great! >Do you have Wolf City? That's my favourite! Only on LP. Yes, it's close to my fave, too. Well those three really. Also have a soft spot for vive le trance. Always thought it sounded like Nik playing sax on the last track. >And if you ever decide to get Made in Germany, make sure you get the >Repertoire one, the version that is the 2LP rock opera restored...not the >stupid single LP version that prevailed for years. I only have the single album lp, and the last track is the only one I like. I think they'd pretty much lost most of what attracted to me by then. Don't know if they regained it later. I gave up after a couple of really bland albums in the mid to late 70's. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 23 21:50:28 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:50:28 -0800 Subject: Re;Spacehead Message-ID: Refering to Dibs' vocal style? I really like it! Kind of a cross between Brock and Bainbridge, but more aggressive for the '90s...Anyway, I really like this band, can't wait for the next CD...Andy--is it gonna be more like that last track "Space Junk"? ---------------- Actually, no, it isn't. There is an album of that sort of stuff in Dibs' pipeline, but I'm not sure if I dare release it!!! On a separate note for all you Tim Blake fans out there, we got in the reissues of 'Crystal Machine' and 'Magick' today. There has clearly been some kind of error along the way, because the booklet to 'Magick' has the 'Crystal Machine' sleeve notes on the inside and the booklet to 'Crystal machine' has the sleeeve notes to 'Magick' on the inside, so look out for that if you're buying anywhere other than from me at CD Services. Also due in at CD Services any day now is a fantastic new album from Starfield feat Bedouin's new vocalist Danny Faulkner - the album is just superb so look out for a review on the web site soon, and we should be able to sell you a copy next week sometime. Toodle pips, Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 23 21:55:47 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:55:47 -0800 Subject: Re;Rob Halford Message-ID: Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? ----------- Not sure which you mean but right now the new Halford rock band that's touring the USA and soon Europe, I think, features the amazing guitarist Mike Chlasciak, whose two instrumental metal CD's that we sell here at CDS towers, will blow you away. One to look out for, Halford-ites (BTW, first time I saw JP was at a dingy Students Union building in '74 and that was wild!! - first group I ever saw in concert was Budgie in '73 - how about you?) Andy G. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 23 14:27:08 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:27:08 +1100 Subject: HW: Amon/Calvert questions Message-ID: BTW, I might as well ask: what's Die Losung like? I keep seeing it around on ebay, and wondered whether it's worth bidding on. The other Calvert 'contributions' that I used to have (Nektar and Adrian Wagner lp's) were pretty forgettable, IMO. Also, what's the Queen Elizabeth Hall album like? I used to have two Calvert concerts on tape, and I sort of had the impression it might have been on of these. One is a musical gig (or atleast, singing to backing tapes) in front of a fairly appreciative audience. The other was a solo show in front of a quite hostile bunch of yobbos. Bob was getting heckled a lot by an audience who really had no patience with or understanding of what he was doing, and it was a pretty heroic stand - even unto the point wherehe invited someone to "Come up here and fucking say that!", or something like that :) What I do remember about one of the tapes - might have been the other one - is just how bloody _funny_ the man was. I seriously think Calvert could have been a successful stand-up comedian. He's just naturally, effortlessly funny in the same way that some people are naturally musical. I remember when we were putting the Calvert special together, the guy who was engineering had to stop all the time because he was laughing so hard, and that was when Bob was apparently being _serious._ -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Thu Mar 23 14:35:25 2000 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:35:25 -0500 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: Larry, All of your forwards are sent as attachments. Trust me, I do this for a living. I think that with AOL it is not something that you choose. Pasting text into a message is not forwarding, but quoting. Everyone got the forward. Some just didn't see it. For instance, in Outlook, you have to click the little icon in the top right of the message to see it. In Netscape, you can choose "view inline," or "view as attachment." BTW- I was not knocking your ISP. T'each 'is own! =) Ron -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! >In a message dated 3/22/00 3:38:32 PM, sprawl at STARPOWER.NET writes: > ><< You are forwarding as attachment, Larry. >> >======= >nah. >i forward a lot, yes? >i didnt make it an 'attachment'. >must be a matter of whether or not i cut and paste it on a new page, or >simply forward. more BOC-L folx than not got the forward. >speaking of forwards, there's also the kind which show up blank! > >hey, the access call is free. > >"<>" > >ps>you've got mail! From clemens at TRAIL.COM Thu Mar 23 14:46:53 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:46:53 -0700 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia Message-ID: I finished reading Lemmy's responses to our questions at www.hawkwind.com and noticed that my question was conspicuously absent. Did anyone else's questions end up on the cutting room floor? I didn't know that there were questions he couldn't handle the other Mark L. From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Mar 23 14:52:25 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:52:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia Message-ID: My question was on there, although many people asked the same thing. Favorite album/track. Dan Ductor -----Original Message----- From: Clemens & Associates [SMTP:clemens at TRAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 11:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy En Regalia I finished reading Lemmy's responses to our questions at www.hawkwind.com and noticed that my question was conspicuously absent. Did anyone else's questions end up on the cutting room floor? I didn't know that there were questions he couldn't handle the other Mark L. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 23 15:29:21 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:29:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia In-Reply-To: <004e01bf9500$92651560$0100a8c0@kristin> Message-ID: > I finished reading Lemmy's responses to our questions at www.hawkwind.com > and noticed that my question was conspicuously absent. Did anyone else's > questions end up on the cutting room floor? Not on purpose! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Mar 23 16:33:12 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:33:12 EST Subject: OFF: British Steel Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/00 11:07:53 AM EST, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << >Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? I thought he was working with Trent Reznor now. Never heard any of that. >> His last band was '2'. It had a very industrial sound with great quitar playing. The live show was wild....better than Fight and better than anything Priest did post Halford imho. I believe Rezner produced the album. Regards, Bill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 23 17:37:44 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:37:44 +0000 Subject: Lemmy (fwd) Message-ID: Some of you may find this amusing... ;-) Yours, Jon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:52:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon To: rocksoc-announce at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cc: Andrew Karmazyn Subject: Lemmy Swiped from today's Express... "Warty rocker Lemmy has refused to refute claims that he handcuffed nude model Julie Wilson to a bed for a three-day sex and bondage session. "It wasn't three days," declares Alexis Grower, lawyer for the 55-year-old Nazi memorabilia-obsessed Motorhead singer. "It was more like seven days. And she wasn't just handcuffed, she was hung from the ceiling." Delighted to put the record straight." Rock 'n' roll baby ;-) JOn _______________________________________________ Rocksoc-announce maillist - Rocksoc-announce at chiark.greenend.org.uk http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/rocksoc-announce This list for announcements only. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 23 17:46:58 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:46:58 EST Subject: OFF: AD2/Yeti Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/00 11:22:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > Anyway, the best version to get of _Yeti_ is the Captain Trip, because it > doesn't edit "Pale Gallery" like all the others. I thought it sounded > better than my old Mantra copy, too, and has nicer packaging. Edited "Pale Galery"?? That's not even on the vinyl! Damn... I have the Repetoire version, same there too... Chuck From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 23 18:22:36 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:22:36 -0000 Subject: HW:Bedouin on Friday night Message-ID: Meant to post about this a few days ago, is anyone else going to Zaks in Wolverton for the Bedouin gig tomorrow? Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 23 18:24:48 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:24:48 -0000 Subject: HW:HAWKWIND SPLIT! Message-ID: >hey, the access call is free. For you. Not for all of us. From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 23 18:32:47 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:32:47 PST Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: I have not seen anybody post if the ABC video of HW on Australian TV actually has become available to the public.... Anybody? If so, where? VHS? How and all that good stuff? Thanx! Darrin np: Deep Banana Blackout -Rowdy Duty ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Thu Mar 23 21:34:02 2000 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:34:02 -0800 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: Darrin McKeehen wrote: > > I have not seen anybody post if the ABC video of HW on Australian TV > actually has become available to the public.... > > Anybody? > > If so, where? VHS? How and all that good stuff? > > Thanx! > > Darrin > Was it actually broadcast yet? This is probably something that will be bootlegged to death, so we should consider setting up a tree for it so that the fans get it anyways without the bootleggers making their dime on it. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 24 00:29:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:29:56 +1100 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: At 03:32 PM 3/23/00 PST, Darrin McKeehen wrote: >I have not seen anybody post if the ABC video of HW on Australian TV >actually has become available to the public.... > >Anybody? > >If so, where? VHS? How and all that good stuff? Bit early to say; it hasn't been on tv yet. Needless to say I think there are people either on this list or orff, who'll have copies of the full show, not just the 30 minutes the ABC will probably broadcast, so one way or another... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 24 00:31:28 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:28 +1100 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: >Was it actually broadcast yet? Broadcast is next Thursday night. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Mar 24 02:08:11 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:08:11 -0500 Subject: HW: quick stop in the artists shop Message-ID: on http://www.artist-shop.com/catalog/imports/preorder.htm no dates given nor label CALVERT,ROBERT-REVENGE $20.95 Best known for his role in HAwkwind, this release was originally cassette only but has now been remastered for CD. no date given Pre-Orders/Domestic CD Box Set HAWKWIND-25 YEARS ON 4CD BOX SET 4CD $61.95 1994 boxset introduction to the joys of Hawkwind. Over 5 hours of music with live and studio cuts. HAWKWIND-ASTOUNDING SOUNDS, AMAZING MUS $14.95 HAWKWIND-BUSINESS TRIP $14.95 HAWKWIND-CHOOSE YOUR MASQUES $14.95 HAWKWIND-CHRONICLES OF THE BLACK SWORD $14.95 HAWKWIND-DECIDE YOUR FUTURE EP $11.95 HAWKWIND-HAWKLORDS LIVE $14.95 HAWKWIND-INDEPENDENT DAYS $14.95 HAWKWIND-LEVITATION $14.95 HAWKWIND-LIVE CHRONICLES $25.95 HAWKWIND-LIVE 1979 $14.95 HAWKWIND-OUT AND INTAKE $14.95 HAWKWIND-QUARK: STRANGENESS AND CHARM $31.95 HAWKWIND-SONIC ATTACK $14.95 HAWKWIND-UNDISCLOSED FILES: ADDENDUM $14.95 From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 24 01:45:02 2000 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:45:02 +1000 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: ---- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: HW: ABC- TV broadcast > >Was it actually broadcast yet? > > Broadcast is next Thursday night. > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania Err.. not up here apparently. Played Moses O'Jah last night HW aren't mention in next week TV guide. Patrick Brisbane Queensland From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 24 04:38:29 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:38:29 +1100 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: >Err.. not up here apparently. Played Moses O'Jah last night HW aren't >mention in next week TV guide. > >Patrick >Brisbane Queensland Hmmm. dunno. Information I have is 11.15 PM Thursday March 30th. I think I'd watch, just in case... ;) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 24 06:28:57 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:28:57 EDT Subject: OFF: British Steel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23 Mar 00, at 16:33, Bill Stewart wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/00 11:07:53 AM EST, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU > writes: > > << >Any word on Halford's post Fight band? Any good? > > I thought he was working with Trent Reznor now. Never heard any of > that. > >> > His last band was '2'. It had a very industrial sound with great > quitar playing. The live show was wild....better than Fight and better > than anything Priest did post Halford imho. I believe Rezner produced > the album. Regards, Bill Do you have an album title or label? theo From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 23 16:22:29 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:22:29 +0000 Subject: Re;Rob Halford In-Reply-To: <38DAD933.7A81@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 18:55 23.03.2000 -0800, you wrote: >first group I ever saw in concert was Budgie in '73 - >how about you?) >Andy G. T2 - Burton Tech Students Union, 1970 ChrisW ObTape:Primal Scream, Live on Steve Lamacq Show Radio1 "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 24 09:18:23 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:18:23 GMT Subject: Fwd: lemmy in priest movie In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr.'s message of Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:16:48 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. writes: > > > > And Tipper Gore may be in the White House. Maybe her special project > > will be "Satanic Messages Included" stickers on CDs. > > > But you'll notice that Tipper's been dead silent on that subject since > Al's been in the right-hand seat. In fact, if Al's elected, Tipper will > have even less to say about it. And, consider the alternative! AS a libertarian, I can't see that there's much to choose between Bush and Gore, but I'll be happy that the rapist isn't still in power. > theo FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 24 10:21:54 2000 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:21:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster Message-ID: So, after hearing about it from all my friends, I finally checked out Napster. Last week, I spent a few hours connected to the "Napster Music Community", searching out old songs that I remembered from years ago, and a few cool songs that I'd heard on the radio this year, but had never gotten around to picking up on CD. It was loads of fun, there's no doubt about it. Practically any song you can think of is available from *someone*. I grabbed "Driver's Seat" by Snif'n'the Tears. I grabbed "Blue Suede Shoes", covered by Ozzie and Black Sabbath. I grabbed "Every You and Every Me" by Placebo. I grabbed "Walk On the Ocean" by Toad the Wet Sprocket, and "Life In a Northern Town" by Dream Academy. Jeez... it was great. Then I realized what I was doing. I mean, sure, I plan to buy a fair number of these things on CD someday, and the MP3 is "mostly" to check the song out, to see if I really like it enough to buy it. But what about the ones I don't plan to buy? And I going to delete the copy of "Little Black Backpack" that I leeched? After all, I don't plan to buy the CD, because I don't like the rest of the songs on the album. What a dilemma. I mean, it's not a moral dilamma, because the morality of it is pretty clear to me. It's a dilemma of conscience, especially since I personally know one hard working musician who doesn't get properly rewarded for the work he has done, and it bothers me to do that to any musican, even ones who haven't invited me into their home. So what do I think of Napster? I think the recording artists' association should crush it like a bug, because although 1% of the people may be using it to ethically "preview" purchases, you can be sure (read the chat rooms if you don't believe me) that most of what is going on in the "Napster Music Community" is pure theft, clear and unadulterated. It's going to hurt the musicians, as people (especially college kids, who are the heart of the Napster communal theft ring) stop buying records, when they can just leech the one or two songs they want off a record. It's also going to hurt the music industry as a whole - not that I care much for record company fat-cats, but I suspect that this is going to drive up the price of legitimate purchases, as legal fees and expensive anti-theft measures start getting slapped in place to try and stem the tide. That's my opinion, anyway. Steve swann at plutonia.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 24 10:39:53 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 23:39:53 +0800 Subject: Napster In-Reply-To: <20000324102154.A1363@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Hi I agree with the comments about Napster, though I would miss programs like this if they were removed, as I only use it to find rare material that is not on any official albums, and is completly impossible to find in any other format. Tracks that fall into the former category include Embryo by Pink Floyd, which is on a hard to find best of CD, and as I have all the other tracks on proper albums, I can't afford to pay the amount of money it will cost me for one track. In the later category, I found a rare B side to a single by Golden Earring. In Australia it is impossible to find anything by them. One thing I hate about MP3's is that if I was to download an entire album, I'd have to leave the computer connected to my phone line all night, and usually it will give up before it's fully downloaded a track anyway. It's a lot quicker to buy the album. William > So, after hearing about it from all my friends, I finally checked out > Napster. Last week, I spent a few hours connected to the "Napster > Music Community", searching out old songs that I remembered from years > ago, and a few cool songs that I'd heard on the radio this year, but > had never gotten around to picking up on CD. It was loads of fun, > there's no doubt about it. Practically any song you can think of is > available from *someone*. I grabbed "Driver's Seat" by Snif'n'the > Tears. I grabbed "Blue Suede Shoes", covered by Ozzie and Black > Sabbath. I grabbed "Every You and Every Me" by Placebo. I grabbed > "Walk On the Ocean" by Toad the Wet Sprocket, and "Life In a Northern > Town" by Dream Academy. Jeez... it was great. > > Then I realized what I was doing. I mean, sure, I plan to buy a fair > number of these things on CD someday, and the MP3 is "mostly" to check > the song out, to see if I really like it enough to buy it. But what > about the ones I don't plan to buy? And I going to delete the copy of > "Little Black Backpack" that I leeched? After all, I don't plan to > buy the CD, because I don't like the rest of the songs on the album. > What a dilemma. I mean, it's not a moral dilamma, because the > morality of it is pretty clear to me. It's a dilemma of conscience, > especially since I personally know one hard working musician who > doesn't get properly rewarded for the work he has done, and it bothers > me to do that to any musican, even ones who haven't invited me into > their home. > > So what do I think of Napster? I think the recording artists' > association should crush it like a bug, because although 1% of the > people may be using it to ethically "preview" purchases, you can be > sure (read the chat rooms if you don't believe me) that most of what > is going on in the "Napster Music Community" is pure theft, clear and > unadulterated. It's going to hurt the musicians, as people > (especially college kids, who are the heart of the Napster communal > theft ring) stop buying records, when they can just leech the one or > two songs they want off a record. It's also going to hurt the music > industry as a whole - not that I care much for record company > fat-cats, but I suspect that this is going to drive up the price of > legitimate purchases, as legal fees and expensive anti-theft measures > start getting slapped in place to try and stem the tide. > > That's my opinion, anyway. > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Mar 24 11:59:31 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Napster Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > So, after hearing about it from all my friends, I finally checked out > Napster. Last week, I spent a few hours connected to the "Napster > Music Community", searching out old songs that I remembered from years > ago, and a few cool songs that I'd heard on the radio this year, but > had never gotten around to picking up on CD. It was loads of fun, > there's no doubt about it. Practically any song you can think of is > available from *someone*. I grabbed "Driver's Seat" by Snif'n'the > Tears. I grabbed "Blue Suede Shoes", covered by Ozzie and Black > Sabbath. I grabbed "Every You and Every Me" by Placebo. I grabbed > "Walk On the Ocean" by Toad the Wet Sprocket, and "Life In a Northern > Town" by Dream Academy. Jeez... it was great. > > Then I realized what I was doing. I mean, sure, I plan to buy a fair > number of these things on CD someday, and the MP3 is "mostly" to check > the song out, to see if I really like it enough to buy it. But what > about the ones I don't plan to buy? And I going to delete the copy of > "Little Black Backpack" that I leeched? After all, I don't plan to > buy the CD, because I don't like the rest of the songs on the album. > What a dilemma. I mean, it's not a moral dilamma, because the > morality of it is pretty clear to me. It's a dilemma of conscience, > especially since I personally know one hard working musician who > doesn't get properly rewarded for the work he has done, and it bothers > me to do that to any musican, even ones who haven't invited me into > their home. > > So what do I think of Napster? I think the recording artists' > association should crush it like a bug, because although 1% of the > people may be using it to ethically "preview" purchases, you can be > sure (read the chat rooms if you don't believe me) that most of what > is going on in the "Napster Music Community" is pure theft, clear and > unadulterated. It's going to hurt the musicians, as people > (especially college kids, who are the heart of the Napster communal > theft ring) stop buying records, when they can just leech the one or > two songs they want off a record. It's also going to hurt the music > industry as a whole - not that I care much for record company > fat-cats, but I suspect that this is going to drive up the price of > legitimate purchases, as legal fees and expensive anti-theft measures > start getting slapped in place to try and stem the tide. > > That's my opinion, anyway. > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com Might I add that the company's founder is a snotty little preppy bastard? In addition to boycott of Napster and the like, I think more artists should really start to make their music available for sale in MP3 format on their own web sites, thus circumventing corporate profit almost entirely. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 24 11:05:34 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:05:34 +0800 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: <38DB9EF3.7E7FB1E1@softhome.net> Message-ID: > In addition to boycott of Napster and the like, I think more artists > should really start to make their music available for sale in MP3 format > on their own web sites, thus circumventing corporate profit almost > entirely. > I agree completely with that. I'd love to see some sort of box set by artists, featuring most of their albums on one disk, along with some booklet with original covers, etc.. A bit like the ICU CD. This probably won't happen for a while though, until standalone MP3 CD players become more commonplace, but it will happen. William From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Mar 24 11:09:49 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:09:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: <38DB9EF3.7E7FB1E1@softhome.net> Message-ID: The only place to get MP3's is MP3.com where the ARTIST posts the music. Anything else is just so much piracy. Think how fast Dave and the boys would wither if their releases were zapped out in MP3 instead of us going out and buying them. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 24 11:11:56 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:11:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: <20000324102154.A1363@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Stephen Swann wrote: => So, after hearing about it from all my friends, I finally checked out => Napster. Last week, I spent a few hours connected to the "Napster => Music Community", searching out old songs that I remembered from years => ago, and a few cool songs that I'd heard on the radio this year, but [...] Just one question: what is Napster? Cheers, Paul. NP: Allman Brothers Band, 7/30/99 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 24 11:19:57 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:19:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Michael S. Habiby wrote: => The only place to get MP3's is MP3.com where the ARTIST posts the music. => => Anything else is just so much piracy. Not true!!!!! There are some enlightened bands who allow fans to tape and trade their live music. My little collection of Gov't Mule MPEG Audio live shows is linked to from the band's official WWW page, for example. There are other sites, like sugarmegs, for example, that have archives of live shows from bands that allow taping. => Think how fast Dave and the boys would wither if their releases were zapped => out in MP3 instead of us going out and buying them. I agree. Remember the old adage: buy what they sell; share what they give! Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, 12/31/99 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 24 11:19:38 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:19:38 +0800 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just one question: what is Napster? > You put the program on your computer, and when you log on, you can swap MP3 files with other people online using the program. It searches your HD for MP3's, and then you can get those files of other people's PC. William From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Mar 24 11:29:50 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:29:50 EST Subject: OFF: British Steel Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/00 7:36:39 AM EST, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Do you have an album title or label? >> Band: TWO Album: VOYEURS LABEL: INTERSCOPE http://www.two-online.com/ Regards, Bill From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 24 10:31:04 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:31:04 EDT Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 886 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Mar 24 11:39:24 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:39:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul you are right on that one. It is far from a black and white issue. ========================================================================== Not true!!!!! There are some enlightened bands who allow fans to tape and trade their live music. My little collection of Gov't Mule MPEG Audio live shows is linked to from the band's official WWW page, for example. There are other sites, like sugarmegs, for example, that have archives of live shows from bands that allow taping. ======================================================================= Mike From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Fri Mar 24 11:50:03 2000 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:50:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: <200003241631.LAA21153@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > At one point GM would even let tapers patch from the board, depending on the > venue. I think Widespread Panic allow taping, and I know Little Feat are > taper-friendly... Parts of the GM Collector's Edition version of Live With A Little Help >From Our Friends were taken from audience tape. Rob THV Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 24 11:52:53 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:52:53 EST Subject: OFF: Napster Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/00 11:10:36 AM, cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET writes: << The only place to get MP3's is MP3.com where the ARTIST posts the music. Anything else is just so much piracy. >> ======== as someone w/a track on both napster and mp3.com, i dont quite get this furor. i gave the sucker away, and anyone who wants it can go get it. strange week on board; cries of 'theft' and 'piracy'...shouts into the wind.... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 24 12:00:33 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:00:33 EST Subject: OFF: Napster Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/00 11:20:19 AM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << => Think how fast Dave and the boys would wither if their releases were zapped => out in MP3 instead of us going out and buying them. >> ======= i disagree w/this. hawkwind doesnt sell _that_ many records to begin with, and they make minimal moolah on some of the endlessly re-released material. and 'computer owner' is not synonymous w/ 'hawkfan'. someone shoulda asked mr. brock what _he_ thought about all this. === http://www.napster.com/ go see for yourself. "<>" ps>the world is flat. From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM Fri Mar 24 13:16:59 2000 From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:16:59 -0600 Subject: BOC:New Compilation In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A253@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > You're Not the One (I Was Looking For) > You do know this it to a manger, not a girlfriend, don't you... It _does_ make more sense once you know that. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 24 13:38:41 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:38:41 +1100 Subject: HW: off Message-ID: I just wanted to mention that I'm unsubscribing from the list, and if anyone wants to contact me for any reason please email me at my other address. This isn't due to any negative experience of any sort; I just have a short attention span for music lists. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Mar 24 13:48:45 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:48:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: <24.2b992ff.260cf931@aol.com> Message-ID: It was my understanding that Mr. Brock was against the format. Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ ==>-----Original Message----- ==>From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ==>Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM ==>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 12:01 PM ==>To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L ==>Subject: Re: OFF: Napster ==> ==> ==>In a message dated 3/24/00 11:20:19 AM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: ==> ==><< ==>=> Think how fast Dave and the boys would wither if their ==>releases were zapped ==>=> out in MP3 instead of us going out and buying them. ==> >> ==>======= ==>i disagree w/this. ==>hawkwind doesnt sell _that_ many records to begin with, and they ==>make minimal ==>moolah on some of the endlessly re-released material. ==>and 'computer owner' is not synonymous w/ 'hawkfan'. ==> ==>someone shoulda asked mr. brock what _he_ thought about all this. ==> ==>=== ==>http://www.napster.com/ ==> ==>go see for yourself. ==> ==> ==>"<>" ==>ps>the world is flat. ==> From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Mar 24 13:49:18 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: off In-Reply-To: <20000324183841.GDUX10269.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: Damn Tim we were loving your contributions. Take care Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ ==>-----Original Message----- ==>From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ==>Behalf Of Tim Gadd ==>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:39 PM ==>To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L ==>Subject: HW: off ==> ==> ==>I just wanted to mention that I'm unsubscribing from the list, ==>and if anyone ==>wants to contact me for any reason please email me at my other ==>address. This ==>isn't due to any negative experience of any sort; I just have a short ==>attention span for music lists. ==>-- ==>Tim Gadd ==>Hobart, Tasmania ==> From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Mar 24 13:57:10 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:57:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Napster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wish to clarify I am strictly speaking of published releases that are "ripped". Not bootlegs or any other such material. Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ ==>-----Original Message----- ==>From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On ==>Behalf Of Michael S. Habiby ==>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:49 PM ==>To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L ==>Subject: Re: OFF: Napster ==> ==> ==>It was my understanding that Mr. Brock was against the format. ==> ==> From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Mar 24 14:12:12 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:12 -0500 Subject: BOC:New Compilation Message-ID: A Manger? You mean it's a Christmas song? Boy was I way off. :) That aside - yes I've read the blurb on the song and understand the background. But I wanted to even the two 'records' out. > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Michael Looney [SMTP:bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM] > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 1:17 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC:New Compilation > > > You're Not the One (I Was Looking For) > > > > You do know this it to a manger, not a girlfriend, don't you... > It _does_ make more sense once you know that. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 24 21:50:54 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:50:54 -0800 Subject: HW - Dr Hasbeen Message-ID: Mark Lee provided the details of the Dr Hasbeen CD's - a footnote: When Matin of the band sent to me the original three CD's, he had priced them way too high and the mix was terrible - vocals way upfront, instruments out the back, not exactly mind-blowing but OK. We tried to sell a few, largely failed and I said exactly what I thought was wrong - the way you do!!! Lo and behold, totally out of the blue one day, along came the remixes, now sounding wonderful, and at a sensible price, late followed by the, currently latest, 'Visions' album. I would recommend al of these to Hawkfans who may not yet be familiar with the band. Andy G. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 24 15:18:23 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:18:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: Mark gave us the rundown with.. >At last I've got something, mainly for Keith H's benefit >but some others may be interested. > >I had to tie Martyn down and rack his brains to get this info, it >is straight from the memory so forgive any minor errors. Thanks for the effort...it'll help decide what I need. >The list you have (below) is the completist list and should now read:- > >Inside Your Mind CD 73 minutes >Compilation + 2 unreleased tracks >from 1995 - 1998 >Tracks are remixed versions of 2125 & Spirit of Brock >All studio versions. > >Prophetic Verses CD 68 minutes >Released 1998 - All studio versions >Tracks are Prophetic Obscurities remixed + extras >All rhythm and programmed drums I assume 'remixed' means simply 'improved the mix,' rather than some sort of 'dance remix,' right? :) >BTW Keith, Martyn wondered, purely out of interest, where'd ya get >the disc from ? Henrik in Sweden. The Visions of the Afterlife I just ordered from Andy Gee here, and I just wanted to see where I stood in the thick of things, Hasbeen wise. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Here was my review of SoB. :) Note it'll soon appear on www.aural-innovations.com when it's launched (soon). From AI#6, Spring 1999 or thereabouts. Dr. Hasbeen - Spirit of Brock (1998) Self-released/Foundry Studio CD-R (DRHAS 007CD) No, it's not Dave Brock himself at work on this one, but rather one Martyn Needham (of Derby, England) who has 'appropriated' the Hasbeen moniker for himself. From what I've heard, he's also released two earlier CDs, entitled "2125" and "Prophetic Obscurities." On "Spirit of Brock," vocalist/guitarist/synth-master Needham and his cohorts (Daz Fletcher on lead guitar, Sue Annable on drums/vocals, and Jake Billington on bass) quickly crank through six space-rockers very much in the Hawkwind vein. Funky synths and a bit of guitar fanfare kick off "Beyond Control," and although some chant-style vocals chime in eventually, this isn't really a fully-fledged tune. But a nice opening statement nonetheless. Heavier rhythm guitars start off "Mugs of War" with that effects-laden sound that Pressurehed use so often. The problem here is the vocals, bass, and drums are all mixed down well below the twin guitar tracks. "Why Syb" is a tad better in this department, and is a nice astral journey with ebbing-and-flowing synth tones and syrupy vocals offered by Annable. Sequenced electronic pulses lead into "Man's Greatest Enemy," where Fletcher demonstrates his chops on guitar and Needham contributes echoed poetic vocals over the spacey-synth backdrop. Truly the "Spirit of Brock." In fact, the title track follows next, and is a true tribute to the Hawkwind baron. I can't pick out all the lyrics, but there's no doubt who their heroes are. "Mugs of War (Part 2)" bears little resemblance to the earlier track, relying on more layers of pulsating and swirling synths and Fletcher's melodic leads. This is pretty good material, but doesn't stray too far from the time-honored tradition of 70s space rock. Whether Needham's truly a 'hasbeen' or not I can't say, as I'm not certain where he came from. But I'd like to hear more from this quartet anyway, especially since this disc only runs about 23 minutes. And I'm not so happy with the quality of the mix here. The lower-end rhythm section needs to be brought out more, a mistake that Brock himself would never make. From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Fri Mar 24 16:40:05 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:40:05 -0800 Subject: OFF: Farflung's _The Belief Module_ (long) Message-ID: As threatened... I've been listening to Farflung's _The Belief Module_ for a few days. I'm familiar with two of their older releases, _25,000 Feet per Second_ and _So Many Minds, So Little Time_. I'd rate TBM as the most consistent of the three and the place to start with this band. That said, stylistically, they are all similar. TBM is just the most "polished" (seems a strange word to use to describe this music, but there it is). Farflung (and their slightly more punky alter-ego Pressurehed) have, to my ears, an identifiable sound. Their music is typically very heavy, with lots of crunchy passages and everything mixed to the fore. It's rare to hear a solo from any instrument. Vocals are typically gruff and/or processed, and sometimes unintelligible (there are no printed lyrics with TBM). Occasional forays into deep space come courtesy of long instrumental passages. Farflung is modern space rock at its best. The packaging of TBM is nice, but disappointingly minimal. It's a simple digipack, with just a list of contributors, recording dates, and contact information printed on the interior. The tracks on the CD range from under 2 minutes to the 17-minute "The Dead Sea". The 12 minute opening track, "The Day of St. Anthony's Fire", is typical Farflung. There is a middle eastern vibe here, provided by a repeating sitar-ish theme. After the opening vocal section, we leave Earth orbit and blast into space. The middle eastern bit falls away, and the drums and synths lead the way for a while. The welcome return of the guitar kicks off the next crunchy section. "Fingers of the Sky Catcher" starts off with the gentle strumming of a guitar, which stands out on such a heavy album. That gentle atmosphere is quickly destroyed, however, when the spoken/shouted vocals enter. The chorus on this tune is sung in a deeper, clearer tone than all of the other vocals on the album, but they are still obfuscated by the heavy mix. The vocal section is not long, and we enter a long instrumental section. The rhythm section is front and center here, along with some gurgling synth, but the guitar is very evident also, playing a clear solo which eventually blurs into the synth nicely. The shouting vocal returns briefly before the track winds down at nearly the ten minute mark. I can't believe I used the word obfuscated. "Gleam" stands out because of the prominent female vocals. For the heavier part of the song, these are double tracked along with the typical processed (male) voice, but the closing section consists of a jarringly gentle melody played on the keyboard, accompanied by a quiet guitar. Two female vocals overlap, each singing about supernovas, eternity, and other topics worthy of space rock. "The Dead Sea" is a great track, perhaps my favorite on the album. It changes character several times through its 17 minutes. The opening consists of a repeating electric guitar line over a slow rhythm. Around the six minute mark, some ominous natural sounds enter, and the music fades away, save for a droning synth. The creak of wood riding the waves and the call of the distant birds paint a bleak picture, then the squeal of a radio signal, and finally the music returns, with another crunchy guitar blasting away over the bass & drums. Female vocals are largely lost in the mix. The music is powerfully bleak. "Dark Valley of Dreams", indeed, as the repeating lyric states. There is a 3 minute excursion into slightly dissonant electronics that recalls vintage Tangerine Dream, which climaxes with the return of the guitar and drums. I've skipped over most of the shorter pieces, I realize. These are all good tracks, but don't contain the cosmic excursions of the longer cuts. The album has grown on me considerably after repeated listenings. Get it while you still can, I say. MWood --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Fri Mar 24 17:18:47 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:18:47 -0000 Subject: napster and dave brock Message-ID: this whole discussion about napster no ones mentioned that if the artist in question has some of their back catalogue deleted or there is no way to purchase an exclusive remix or live version of a track then i think getting hold of it on napster isn't wrong. Surely in that case whats the other options? Going to record fairs or online auctions and paying a small fortune for it? Surely its the artist/record labels fault for making these tracks so hard to obtain? Yes i agree with many people on this list Hawkwind is Dave Brock! No question! But don't you just wish that Bob was still alive? Was he last contribution to hawkwind, farenheit 451? Is there a version of this anywhere with bob doing the vocals? Its a great track from a very unremarkable period of hawkwinds history compared to the mighty opuses they produced in the seventies. When i think of hawkwind i think of the seventies deffinatly not the 80's when lets face it they lost the way a little bit i think. Out of all the albums they did in the eighties i only rate: 1. live chronicles 2. Xenon codex 3. Space bandits(don't you wish simon house did more on this one?) On levitation the drums are too low down in the mix, maybe they wanted to play down the fact that ginger baker was playing them? Zones is a disapointment too, night of the haawks compilation is alright and so is that castle double comp with the skull on the cover. I am the only person that also thinks Out/intake isn't too hot either? Haven't heard much of their nineties stuff though so i will not make a judgement on that though. They still are the best band in the universe though. Just wish bob was still there though. If anyone disagrees with anything i say feel free make your views known. Ducking for cover. colm From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 24 17:51:14 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:51:14 EST Subject: Fwd: WE ARE MOTORHEAD!!! Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Mark.Roper at bmge.com Subject: WE ARE MOTORHEAD!!! Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:53:20 -0500 Size: 1297 URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 24 22:10:03 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:10:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: nappies and dave brock Message-ID: Colm calmly says... >this whole discussion about napster no ones mentioned that if the artist in >question has some of their back catalogue deleted or there is no way to >purchase an exclusive remix or live version of a track then i think getting >hold of it on napster isn't wrong. Surely in that case whats the other >options? Going to record fairs or online auctions and paying a small fortune >for it? Surely its the artist/record labels fault for making these tracks so >hard to obtain? This last statement just sounds too silly to ignore. And I'm not saying it's way off-base or anything (no personal attacks from me!)...it's just such a weird way of looking at it. As if there artists were purposefully denying music fans from hearing their music. No, I think that completely unknown bands that start out making 200 copies of their first stuff then end up years later becoming popular and 'growing' to the point at which they develop the opinion that their earliest stuff is 'pants' and who gives a crap if anyone hears it now. Except that Kompletists just *have* to have it, and so for some reason they're remiss if they don't spend the time and expense to dust off the tapes, remaster them, pester the hell out of some small label to make up 1000 copies with new artwork just to please a few (we all know how easy it is to do, right Andy?). Porcupine Tree seems the perfect example...what a crime it is that Wilson hasn't put his main focus on restoring/re-releasing YHD to CD and then Voyage 34!! Christ, you'd think the guy wanted to make *new* music. What a concept! OK, sarcasm mode off.... >Yes i agree with many people on this list Hawkwind is Dave Brock! No >question! But don't you just wish that Bob was still alive? Was he last >contribution to hawkwind, farenheit 451? Wouldn't that be Ray Bradbury? :) >Out of all the albums they did in the eighties i only rate: > >1. live chronicles >2. Xenon codex >3. Space bandits(don't you wish simon house did more on this one?) Palace Springs beats the hell out of all of these, IMHO. Maybe it wasn't released until the 90s, but it's '89 product as far as I'm concerned. >On levitation the drums are too low down in the mix, maybe they wanted to >play down the fact that ginger baker was playing them? Why? Ginger played them very well, perfect for that album, in such an atypical (if that's possible) Hawkwind fashion. An oddity, certainly, but a damn good oddity. (And so what if GB turned out to be loser, touring as GB's HW after being sacked.) For a year or so, it was an interesting and worthwhile experiment. Better than the Nik 80s experiment. (Note I've learned to enjoy Nik's work in recent years, but that 80's stuff with HW....yikes!) >I am the only person that also thinks Out/intake isn't too hot either? No, it's another Zones half-assed job. But Cajun Jinx is a hidden gem, and there are a couple other interesting things there. >They still are the best band in the universe though. Just wish bob was still >there though. If anyone disagrees with anything i say feel free make your >views known. I don't think you'll find anyone that doesn't wish that Bob were still here. Except maybe some people that had to work with him. :) Keith ObCD-EP: Sky Cries Mary - Seeds From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 25 05:54:02 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:54:02 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Book Message-ID: Hi folks If anyone would like to recieve a flyer in the post when the "Hawkwind Chronicles" book is published, then email privately with your full postal address. age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk S.A.E's or I.R.C's always welcome to the Hawkeye address. Regards Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 25 07:29:42 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:29:42 +0000 Subject: HW: off In-Reply-To: <20000324183841.GDUX10269.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: In message <20000324183841.GDUX10269.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au at Default> , Tim Gadd writes >I just wanted to mention that I'm unsubscribing from the list, and if anyone >wants to contact me for any reason please email me at my other address. This >isn't due to any negative experience of any sort; I just have a short >attention span for music lists. >-- >Tim Gadd >Hobart, Tasmania That's a shame, Tim, your input has been interesting. cheers! -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 24 07:45:49 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:45:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy En Regalia In-Reply-To: <200003231625.LAA28410@syr.edu> Message-ID: At 11.25 -0400 00-03-23, Ted Jackson jr wrote: >Didn;t I read somewhere that none other than you and Carl were >founding members of the Richard Thompson list? How come you >guys aren't on that list anymore? Time! I was indeed a "charter member" of the RT list, when it first fired up. I was on one of the Fairport lists for a while too, when that started. But I just don't have time to read that much mail anymore. Heck, I only skim BOC-L these days! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Mar 25 05:58:50 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:58:50 +1100 Subject: HW: quick stop in the artists shop Message-ID: On 24 Mar 2000, at 2:08, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > on http://www.artist-shop.com/catalog/imports/preorder.htm > > no dates given nor label > > CALVERT,ROBERT-REVENGE $20.95 > Best known for his role in HAwkwind, this release was originally cassette only > but has now been remastered for CD. I was about to post this: > From: "CD Emporium" ROBERT CALVERT-REVENGE 16.88 Robert Calvert is best-known for his role in Hawkwind. Originally released on cassette only, this album has now been remastered for CD release: 3/3 Sonique -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Mar 25 05:58:49 2000 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:58:49 +1100 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast - details Message-ID: On 23 Mar 2000, at 15:32, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > I have not seen anybody post if the ABC video of HW on Australian TV > actually has become available to the public.... The ABC have said that they have broadcasting rights, but no publication rights, so they *won't* be selling copies! Dave Brock has the full original unedited tape, so I imagine that it will be made available one day (Voiceprint perhaps?) The broadcast was supposed to be March the 30th, but for some reason it has been held off until "sometime in May" (according to Neil Brice who organised the Oz tour). I've tried to find out more but the ABC haven't answered my emails :( Hopefully someone in Sydney will call them to find out Sonique -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 25 08:22:39 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:22:39 EST Subject: OFF: (i've got) A VirtualSpaceTimeTravelMachine (link) Message-ID: a wealth of fractal imagery here, mes ami "<>" A VirtualSpaceTimeTravelMachine From tonym at GIL.COM.AU Sat Mar 25 08:39:34 2000 From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:39:34 +1000 Subject: HW: ABC- TV broadcast Message-ID: The latest info is that the show will air some time in May :-( so we'll have to wait a little longer to see it. Also the ABC Shop wont be selling official tapes due to 'broadcast rights' issues. TonyM -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd [mailto:lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Friday, 24 March 2000 7:38 PM Subject: Re: HW: ABC- TV broadcast >Err.. not up here apparently. Played Moses O'Jah last night HW aren't >mention in next week TV guide. > >Patrick >Brisbane Queensland Hmmm. dunno. Information I have is 11.15 PM Thursday March 30th. I think I'd watch, just in case... ;) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 25 08:47:51 2000 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:47:51 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Book Message-ID: Hi folks If anyone would like to recieve a flyer in the post when the "Hawkwind Chronicles" book is published, then email privately with your name and full postal address. age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk S.A.E's or I.R.C's always welcome to the Hawkeye address. Regards Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Mar 25 10:30:56 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:30:56 +0100 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Hello, For a friend of mine I'm searching for Hawkwind lyrics.Specially "The War I Survived". Seems like there are words missing on the lyrics on the sleeve of the Xenon Codex? Don't know myself as I'm not too much into the lyrics,never have.Give me the exitement of the hard-driven rhythm of mr.Brock. Can anyone help with websites or books? best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 25 11:39:40 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:39:40 GMT Subject: BOC:New Compilation Message-ID: >Songs of Love and Devotion by Blue Oyster Cult > >Disk 1 >Eyes on Fire >Burning for You >Fireworks >In Thee >Still Burning >Light Years of Love >(Don't Fear the) Reaper >Debbie Denise >True Confessions >You're Not the One (I Was Looking For) > >Disk 2 >Dominance and Submission >Sinful Love >She's As Beautiful As a Foot >Dr. Music >I Love the Night >Your Loving Heart >Live for Me >Goin' through the Motions >7 Screaming Diz-Busters >Nosferatu > >But wait, there's more - act now and we will add two extra songs >Demon's Kiss >Before the Kiss, A Redcap is this a joke? I HOPE IT IS! a better title would be 'a lot of crap by Blue Oyster Cult' (wow - what intricate humor...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 25 17:06:17 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:06:17 -0000 Subject: OFF: God Speed You Black Emperor Message-ID: Anyone going to the Glasgow gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 25 17:14:35 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:14:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Q and A Message-ID: Arggh; off-line for the last week so I missed out the session with Dr Technical. I'll catch up. Has there been loss of crew members? Remember the Hawkwind rule: "Out of chaos comes forth greatness". Ron Tree still on board I hope. I read in one reply that Tim Blake may be coming back on board!! Exciting times ahead in uncharted space. Dave np "Arabesque" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Mar 26 03:54:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:54:36 -0800 Subject: HW Collectors Series Message-ID: Hmmmmmm...... I feel I should step in and try to give some facts, as we see them. As most of you know by now, on the last UK mini-tour, a flyer was distributed by Voiceprint listing all the albums they intend to release that Dave has personally 'licensed' to them to release, the tapes comomg from his own archives, apparently. The next one to come out will be the 'Collectors series Vol 3: Atomhenge' '76 double, and it looks like the one to follow, presumably around end of April, will be the Calvert CD, altho' I can't remember if that's on the leaflet. All the others will come out, but judging by the speed things are going, indications are that the going is slow and my guess is that it'll be the fall before the series is finally complete and out, the order of release being anyone's guess altho' we were told initially that the Nottingham '90 double (the original from the video and a previously unreleased CD2) would be the last. So, several outlets that are releasing info about any others of the series being imminent are more than likely, just guessing. While Dave has done the deal between Voiceprint and himself, EBS as a label still exists until Doug either finds someone to take it over or to whom it can be licensed under the appropriate terms, so we understand. At the last count, in the pipeline and ready to release on EBS, included the Brock '76-'96 and Jack London CD's (which do exist as I have tapes of them - still can't figure the '76-'96 thing out!!) plus the intended Simon House Spiral realms 'Best Of plus A Bit', a brand new Simon House CD that is apparently all songs and a complete departure for the guy, musically, a Nik Turner jazz album and the 'Warrior' reissue, but I would imagine that the future of all these will depend on the future of EBS itself. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, so if I'm being too upfront or any of the 'facts' are wrong, I hope someone from' the inside' will put things right. But that's the info as I had it. On the subject of EBS, the 2 Alan Davey CD's, the Nik Turner 'Xitintoday' CD, the live 'Love In Space' double are all definitely now out of print, with no plans for a repress in the near future, so it seems. There may be one or two more to which this applies, but right now, memory escapes me. As to Griffin, they do not have the rights to repress any of the old CD's that sell out, which is why things are getting deleted over there, too. The 'politics' of Hawkwind is a tricky tightrope to walk, but if all of this leads to fewer or none of those godawful compilations coming out, then I'm right behind Doug for that. Andy G. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Mar 25 22:08:15 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:08:15 -0500 Subject: HW Collectors Series In-Reply-To: <38DDD04C.DB3@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: => On the subject of EBS, the 2 Alan Davey CD's, the Nik Turner => 'Xitintoday' CD, the live 'Love In Space' double are all definitely now => out of print, with no plans for a repress in the near future, so it Out of print? I never saw anywhere that carried _Xitintoday_, and always assumed it was forever "coming soon." :-( Does anyone have a source for this CD? Hawkman?? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Mar 26 02:48:24 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:48:24 +0200 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics In-Reply-To: <000f01bf966f$3510e860$b1a308d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: Hi Filip At 16:30 25.3.2000 +0100, you wrote: >For a friend of mine I'm searching for >Hawkwind lyrics.Specially "The War I Survived". Here it is: THE WAR I SURVIVED ================== Death comes like a ???? in the midst of all wars Reason and logic, the generals cry "more" Bodies in gullies, contortionate poses Caught by the same time, as the guns and roses Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Nice business guns, bombs to the haloed Moon Trust this landscape to the barren gloom A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart It'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five ???? rise higher for the martyrs ????? ???????? freedom for unprovoked attack Get in there and use them, the shatter????? bomb Armies create circles, sparks for the dawn Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five There's only bombs, nobody's left alive Take me back to the war I survived These were people like you and I Take me back to the war I survived Bernhard From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 03:24:36 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:24:36 +0100 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Anybody else think that Huw's delivery of this song on the Xenon Codex tour to be far better than Dave's on the album? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 8:48 AM Subject: Re: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics > Hi Filip > > At 16:30 25.3.2000 +0100, you wrote: > > >For a friend of mine I'm searching for > >Hawkwind lyrics.Specially "The War I Survived". > > > Here it is: > > THE WAR I SURVIVED > ================== > Death comes like a ???? in the midst of all wars > Reason and logic, the generals cry "more" > Bodies in gullies, contortionate poses > Caught by the same time, as the guns and roses > > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > > Nice business guns, bombs to the haloed Moon > Trust this landscape to the barren gloom > A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart > It'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart > > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > > ???? rise higher for the martyrs ????? > ???????? freedom for unprovoked attack > Get in there and use them, the shatter????? bomb > Armies create circles, sparks for the dawn > > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > Take me back to the war I survived > I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five > > There's only bombs, nobody's left alive > Take me back to the war I survived > These were people like you and I > Take me back to the war I survived > > > > Bernhard > From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Mar 26 05:29:31 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:29:31 +0200 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > Here it is: Sorry, Bernie, but there are a few mistakes in your lyrics. Here is the original version written by Roger Neville-Neil: > THE WAR I SURVIVED > ================== > Death comes like a glacier from the peaks of all wars > Reason and logic, the general?s cry "more!" > Bodies in gullies, contortionist poses > Fogged by the scent of mustard gas and roses > > Take me back to the war I survived > Gather them all it?s a slaughterhouse five > > As buildings belch bombs to the haloed Moon > Entrust it?s landscape to the barren gloom > A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart > Who'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart > > Mischief rides high upon the martyrs back > Provide the credence for unprovoked attack > Yet in their use can these shadows have form > Armies create circles sparks from the dawn > > And so it goes no one is left alive > Take me back to the war I survived > These were people like you and I > Take me back to the war I survived This makes more sense now, doesn?t it? Andreas From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 06:59:51 2000 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:59:51 +0100 Subject: Amon/Calvert questions In-Reply-To: <20000323192706.BOOQ26568.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: Hello all The Die Losung CD is excellent very different fo Bob HW output a bit more proggy his vocaal style seems alot gruffer the song urban indian is worth the price of admission alone The Calvert Queen Elizabeth Hall is a single album in a Gatefold sleeve which came with a Tee shirt which quickly disintergrated. It features Bobs solo works including the rather good Diamond Mine as I remember there was some talk of the rest of the show appearing but AFAIK nothing has. I remember Bob describing the drummer as a Ninja called Roland One of my all time fave gigs Brian From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Sun Mar 26 06:55:28 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 12:55:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dr Hasbeen Message-ID: Mark Lee provided the details of the Dr Hasbeen CD's - a footnote: When Matin of the band sent to me the original three CD's, he had priced them way too high and the mix was terrible - vocals way upfront, instruments out the back, not exactly mind-blowing but OK. We tried to sell a few, largely failed and I said exactly what I thought was wrong - the way you do!!! Lo and behold, totally out of the blue one day, along came the remixes, now sounding wonderful, and at a sensible price, late followed by the, currently latest, 'Visions' album. I would recommend al of these to Hawkfans who may not yet be familiar with the band. Andy G. Gotta say I agree with Andy, I didn't hear the original CD's for some time, when I compared the versions I was far more imressed with the remixes, my comment wasn't a dig at Andy which was why I put the emoticon after it ! Both Martyn and I would far rather have people listen to the remixed versions. It actually seems to be one of our biggest problems, we get the mix right for the live work OK, when we hit the studio it all seems to fall apart, this is why we've spent so long trying to sort out the next release, we want the bugger right and we want people to like it, some of them anyway.... :)) Anyway it's time for some more practice, so I'm gonna scoot, thanks again to Keith for asking and to Andy for his patience. Mark (Dr Hasbeen) From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Sun Mar 26 07:01:09 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:01:09 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 24 Mar 2000 to 25 Mar 2000 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: 24 March 2000 20:18 Subject: Re: OFF: Dr. Hasbeen [Hacked a bit for brevity] Mark gave us the rundown with.. >At last I've got something, mainly for Keith H's benefit >but some others may be interested. > >I had to tie Martyn down and rack his brains to get this info, it >is straight from the memory so forgive any minor errors. Thanks for the effort...it'll help decide what I need. I assume 'remixed' means simply 'improved the mix,' rather than some sort of 'dance remix,' right? :) Damn right :) The remix was Martyn attempting to correct the original with which he and others were not entirely happy. If you ever compare the versions you'll see what I mean. >BTW Keith, Martyn wondered, purely out of interest, where'd ya get >the disc from ? Henrik in Sweden. The Visions of the Afterlife I just ordered from Andy Gee here, and I just wanted to see where I stood in the thick of things, Hasbeen wise. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Here was my review of SoB. :) Note it'll soon appear on www.aural-innovations.com when it's launched (soon). From AI#6, Spring 1999 or thereabouts. [More hacking] Dr. Hasbeen - Spirit of Brock (1998) Self-released/Foundry Studio CD-R (DRHAS 007CD) No, it's not Dave Brock himself at work on this one, but rather one Martyn Needham (of Derby, England) who has 'appropriated' the Hasbeen moniker for himself. From what I've heard, he's also released two earlier CDs, entitled "2125" and "Prophetic Obscurities." On "Spirit of Brock," vocalist/guitarist/synth-master Needham and his cohorts (Daz Fletcher on lead guitar, Sue Annable on drums/vocals, and Jake Billington on bass) quickly crank through six space-rockers very much in the Hawkwind vein. Excellent, I'll pass a copy of this to Martyn later this afternoon. Cheers, Mark (Dr Hasbeen). From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Mar 26 10:13:42 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:13:42 -0500 Subject: Amon/Calvert questions Message-ID: I have the Die Losung CD with Calvert singing and I really don't care for it at all. Honestly, it's one of the worst albums I own... I only keep it for the Calvert connection, but his vocals and lyrics can't do much to save a record so badly done. John Majka From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Mar 26 10:33:06 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:33:06 +0200 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics In-Reply-To: <12ZAIV-0lAR84C@fwd07.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Hi At 12:29 26.3.2000 +0200, you wrote: >Sorry, Bernie, but there are a few mistakes in your lyrics. Here >is the original version written by Roger Neville-Neil: [.....] Thanks very much Andreas!! Bernhard > From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Mar 26 10:59:08 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:59:08 +0200 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Hello Andreass, Thanks for the lyrics,finally have contact with you,did write you some letters in recent years but never had an answer.Maybe you relocated? Don't know if you're in to Hawkwind related but have some very ultra rare Belgium posters,tickets etc. for swap/sale.I'm not into money,ask Bernie (funny name,by the way) Also my Belgium friend asked me if there's a website with Hawkwind lyrics.Had a small look around,but didn't find any.Can you help or anyone? best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Stuewe To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics > Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > > Here it is: > > Sorry, Bernie, but there are a few mistakes in your lyrics. Here is the original > version written by Roger Neville-Neil: > > > THE WAR I SURVIVED > > ================== > > Death comes like a glacier from the peaks of all wars > > Reason and logic, the general?s cry "more!" > > Bodies in gullies, contortionist poses > > Fogged by the scent of mustard gas and roses > > > > Take me back to the war I survived > > Gather them all it?s a slaughterhouse five > > > > As buildings belch bombs to the haloed Moon > > Entrust it?s landscape to the barren gloom > > A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart > > Who'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart > > > > Mischief rides high upon the martyrs back > > Provide the credence for unprovoked attack > > Yet in their use can these shadows have form > > Armies create circles sparks from the dawn > > > > And so it goes no one is left alive > > Take me back to the war I survived > > These were people like you and I > > Take me back to the war I survived > > This makes more sense now, doesn?t it? > > Andreas From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 26 11:38:52 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:38:52 +0100 Subject: HWOFF: Bedouin at Zaks in Wolverton Message-ID: Another fine set from Alan and the boys on Friday. Guitarist Glenn sems a lot more at home now and new boy Dan provided some fine vocals, although he doesn't seem totally comfortable with being up front on stage yet. Give him some time though. The set included (in no particular order): The Call, Goodbye to Babylon (I think, a newie), LSD, Queen of the Night, Elric the Enchanter pt 2 (bit of a surprise there), Vision Quest, Sword of the East, As Above So Below (which, along with Queen of the Night, Alan dedicated to the fetish party going on in the upstairs venue...), Wings and Sputnik Stan encoring with Demons in Denial and Chasing the Dragon. All in all a damn fine hour and three quarters. Chatting to Alan afterwards he said he had some strong interest from a few German major labels for the new album with Snapper in the UK as a fall-back option. The band will be playing at the Bulldog Bash this summer and posibly headlining it. I suggested that maybe Danny's dad could pull a few strings to get them a slot at Cropredy and he replied that this was a real possibility if they had the album on the shelves by then. The band are returning to the venue on May 12th for an Ace of Spades gig. From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 12:23:41 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 18:23:41 +0100 Subject: HW Collectors Series Message-ID: I keep seeing odd ones from this series in shops. Not being a 'collecting freak' I dont but stuff thats either cack quality or virtually the same as summat else. Somrtime it would be good if someone posted a critical 'non-purist' review of the series for us waverers, paying particular to recording quality and originality (compared to previous mainstream live albums). Because, in the meantime I'm not buying any of them! T np Godspeed You Black Emporer (just discovered this band - Awesome - highly recommended)) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 26 15:11:23 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:11:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! etc In-Reply-To: <001e01bf9759$8c9ac520$ba12883e@timsteph> Message-ID: > np Godspeed You Black Emporer (just discovered this band - Awesome - > highly recommended)) > And if you can catch them on the forthcoming tour, do so! ;) Also just out is the first album from an offshoot band comprising Efrim, Thierry and Sophie - an extra-curricular project called A Silver Mt. Zion. The album's called _He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms_, and, well, you'd like it too. It's not as full a sound, being a much smaller band, but it's got the same attitude, full of textures and tape loops, yearning and loss, hope and despair... Check out http://www.southern.net/southern/band/ASILV/ -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Mar 26 15:38:25 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:38:25 EST Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Filip, Check out www.songfile.com . They have a LOT of lyrics. Joe Loehr From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sun Mar 26 17:25:18 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:25:18 +0200 Subject: Amon/Calvert questions In-Reply-To: <000a01bf971a$ca7e9360$8a36883e@computer> Message-ID: Hello, >The Die Losung CD is excellent very different fo Bob HW output a bit more >proggy his vocaal style seems alot gruffer the song urban indian is worth >the price of admission alone I totally agree. The album is reminiscent to Bob's later solo LP's, although "Die L?sung" isn't as minimalistic and has a lot more of guitar. It is totally different from HW, but I like it nevertheless (I like everything done by Bob in fact.) >The Calvert Queen Elizabeth Hall is a single album in a Gatefold sleeve >which came with a Tee shirt which quickly disintergrated. It features Bobs >solo works including the rather good Diamond Mine as I remember there was >some talk of the rest of the show appearing but AFAIK nothing has. I >remember Bob describing the drummer as a Ninja called Roland >One of my all time fave gigs That LP has been reissued on CD by B.G.O. Records and is a must-buy for every Calvert-fan. That Ninja-drummer Roland you mentioned is the in fact the drum-machine used during that gig. It's a "holdover" from Inner City Unit times. Their drum-machine was also called Roland. I hope there's someone out there who will release the whole gig. cu D+R From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 17:37:19 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:37:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: quick question Message-ID: Anyone heard of a band called Liverpool Express - back in the mid-70s? Apparently they sounded very Hawkwind-ish. I've found a list of the 4 singles they released but no sign of an album. Anyone know if they ever made one? ta muchly cheers jill From denis at D-RIDER.DE Sun Mar 26 17:46:43 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:46:43 +0200 Subject: HW:Searching for Hawkwind lyrics In-Reply-To: <12ZAIV-0lAR84C@fwd07.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: Hi Andreas, >[snip "The War I Survived" Lyrics] I just looked into my lyrics-files and found another two verses: >Mischief rides high upon the martyr's back >Giving further credence for unprovoked attack >Yet in their use can these shadows have form >Armies create circles, sparks for the dawn >There's only bombs, nobody's left alive >Take me back to the war I survived >These were people like you and I >Take me back to the war I survived I'm not sure where I got them from however, but I definitely didn't transcribe them myself. BTW, does anyone here have a spare copy of the "Col. Series 1: Complete 1979 Live" (or whatever it is called) from Voiceprint. I ordered mine together with "Col. Series 2: Complete 1982", but I got two 82s instead! The online record-shop now says, that 79 isn't on stock anymore. So I now have two 82 but no 79. Is there anyone here I can swap with or who wants to sell his 79? cu D+R From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Mar 27 01:57:55 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:57:55 -0800 Subject: HW What you're missing Message-ID: I keep seeing odd ones from this series in shops. Not being a 'collecting freak' I dont but stuff thats either cack quality or virtually the same as summat else. Somrtime it would be good if someone posted a critical 'non-purist' review of the series for us waverers, paying particular to recording quality and originality (compared to previous mainstream live albums). Because, in the meantime I'm not buying any of them! --------------------------------- Unbiased? OK - here we go. Hawkwind 'Collectors Series Vol 2' the double CD from the '82 tour is great quality and excellent songs/performances and I'd say esential purchase for every Hawkfan 'Collectors series Vol 1' subtitled 'The Complete Live '79', again a double CD, is, compared to the original 'Live '79', raw, unpolished and in its most basic state. A lot of people who've boought it from us have been openly disappointed with the quality. Personally, I think that it is raw, but that it captures the spirit of the band well and, for the wall-of-sound lovers among us, is a good album. Good album, as long as you like it rough but not BAD. 'Glastonbury '90' - a single CD. The most godawful travesty of an album to grace this good land and whoever allowed this debacle to come onto the market, wants their head looking at. The guy who originally taped it, a customer of ours who is not credited on the sleeve notes, admits its crap quality but that the band's performance was, that night/day, out of this world. "So What" I said, "if you can't actually hear the bloody band" (pardon my French!!). Anyway, the story is that the guy did it, enthused about what an amazing performance it was, and somehow everyone's been carried along by this, and it got released. What irks me even more is that it got released at full price AND without any warning sticker on the front saying 'less than studio quality sound' or whatver choice phrase they use these days. I'm sorry, but in album buying terms, there can be no excuse for this thing to be on the market and the guy at Classic Rock who reviewed it and slated it, got it spot on. To be avoided like the plague. Now THERE'S unbiased for you!!!!! ------------------- On something connected with all this, and the guy earlier who didn't know about the release of 'Xitintoday', let me point out that if you have your name and address registered with CD Services, you will get our free review catalogues (and keep on getting them as long as you buy something) and it is these that give the info and full reviews. New one due soon, but several past ones still around. Toodly plops, Andy G. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 18:28:50 2000 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:28:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: quick question In-Reply-To: <004f01bf9773$d966f620$041e883e@jds> Message-ID: In message <004f01bf9773$d966f620$041e883e at jds>, Jill Strobridge writes >Anyone heard of a band called Liverpool Express - back in the mid-70s? >Apparently they sounded very Hawkwind-ish. I've found a list of the 4 >singles they released but >no sign of an album. Anyone know if they ever made one? > >ta muchly >cheers >jill Tapestry Of Delights entry says they did : LP "Tracks" Warner Bros 1976 K56281 plus the four singles you know about features one of the Merseybeats, they did. -- Jon From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 19:14:58 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:14:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: quick question Message-ID: >Anyone heard of a band called Liverpool Express Thought they were a 'pop group'? Couple of charting singles - usual load of toss. (I could be wrong!) T From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Mar 26 13:22:39 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:22:39 +0100 Subject: Off: Man album launch Message-ID: Of at least passing interest to a few folks around here: from: Manband Mailing List > >This just in from Pete Feenstra... > > > >There are plans for a gig at the end of May in Wales - a kind >of Welsh Conevention in Wales. meanwhile I'm promoting the >launch of the new album. > >Man Album Launch Thur 15th june 2000 at Dingwalls, Camden lock, Camden Town >NW1 (Camden town tube 3 mins) Doors 8pm 8adv > >Further info 0181 560 6252 Tickets available from Stargreen and all good >ticket outlets from Tuesday next week. > > > > > >Tim. > http://www.ringsoft-designs.co.uk > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to Manband-unsubscribe at listbot.com >______________________________________________________________________ >Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Mar 27 02:00:22 2000 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:00:22 +1000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Linux piss-take Message-ID: Here''s an amusing cartoon for all those Gates - hating Linux -loving BOC members on the list who would love to be able to hack in and grab his credit card details:-) (Then we could pay for BOC or HW to come to any city we want - heck they could even play in my own bloody back yard) http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99jul/19990725.html Enjoy Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The site is down until March 30th, he's in the process of moving, but the site is still on the 'net, and the catalogue still has Vol. 1 listed for sale.(There's a full explanation on what he's doing on his site.) I've bought 99% of my HW CDs from Hawkman, and am very satisfied with the CDs and their prices. In Hawks we Trust Joe Loehr From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 27 11:25:04 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:25:04 PST Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 Message-ID: 'Glastonbury '90' - a single CD. The most godawful travesty of an album to grace this good land and whoever allowed this debacle to come onto the market, wants their head looking at. The guy who originally taped it, a customer of ours who is not credited on the sleeve notes, admits its crap quality but that the band's performance was, that night/day, out of this world. "So What" I said, "if you can't actually hear the bloody band" (pardon my French!!). Anyway, the story is that the guy did it, enthused about what an amazing performance it was, and somehow everyone's been carried along by this, and it got released. What irks me even more is that it got released at full price AND without any warning sticker on the front saying 'less than studio quality sound' or whatver choice phrase they use these days. I'm sorry, but in album buying terms, there can be no excuse for this thing to be on the market and the guy at Classic Rock who reviewed it and slated it, got it spot on. To be avoided like the plague. Now THERE'S unbiased for you!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK, Are you off your soapbox, yet!? There are plenty of other releases that sound worse and that totally suck. Where's Dave Anderson when you need him....? I have never, in all the years that it has been since I first purchased it in 1988 been able to listen to "Bring me the Head of Yuri". In fact, when I first got it, I paid full price and took it straight back and swapped it for "Zones/Stonehenge" -Flicknife. Boy was I glad to get that one! Since Dave Brock and company recharged my batteries during their '95 US tour, I have been going for HW releases like the true Hawkfan that I am....... So, I started keeping my eye out for 'Yuri' in a used shop for cheap. I got it for $6.00 some years back in Tampa. Still have not been able to listen to it, but I GOT IT! Guess, I am like Hawkman or Mike Coleman ;) Glastonbury '90: Stop your wining! When I got both "Thrilling Stories" and "G. '90" (Thanx Stephan!). I spun both to cassette, so I could check them out in the truck, during the next day's ride........ The verdict is in space cadets: If you want to hear a kickass set by the 1990 HW linup. Get this disc! The performance is truly incredible! YES, it is an audience recording. No, the quality is not great. But give me a break. Since when have you had a big collection of A+ SBD Hawkwind recordings? No really! My sound quality test comes when the tape goes in the truck. If it sounds good in the truck, it's a keeper. The only thing this recording needs is a subwoofer backed w/ some power. I agree, something should have been said upfront about the less than superior quality. But that's why I read this list. I went for the Live '82 immediately upon release. Despite what some of you think, I like the energy level of that time period, as well as Huw. Yes, Nik's timing on the sax is not so good and I hate that darn whistle at the beginning of "Brainstorm". That could have been edited out. My point is, that due to the cuts that apparently were supervised by the Baron himself, I would rather listen to the complete show on cassette, than to the disc w/ the missing tracks. The sound quality of the disc is better, but its a tradeoff. Nobody has said anything about warning stickers stating, "Buyer Beware! Incomplete Concert!" I have not listened to Live '82 since the first day that I got it, even though the sound quality is pretty crisp. However, I have listened to "Glastonbury '90" numerous times. And I have to tell you I am a sound quality, audiophile, DAT tapin' freak. Usually, I don't listen to recordings that are less than superior. I still have not made it all the way through the Milton Keynes show...just because of that. (No slam to anyone, I am very glad to have it, w/ all it's wonderful graffix;) Also, I highly recommend "Thrilling Stories". I agree w/ Keith about "Brainstorm" seemingly being on every disc, but this version is a bit different to many that have not heard live versions of this ERA. From there the disc really takes off. I love the version of "Steppenwolf". "Uncle Sam's on Mars" is low energy as someone put it, but it is different and spacey. I quite like it. The real jewel is "Time For Sale". This one is essential for any Hawkwind fan and especially the Calvert fans. It's a pretty good SBD too. I am just happy that Dave is starting to release some live material and I'll take what I can get ;) I believe that if someone is going to criticize something, he or she should point out both sides and let the reader decide. Isn't there a HW tune titled "The Right to Decide"? Like Dennis Miller says, "That's just my opinion. I could be wrong." Peace, D-Rider np: Widespread Panic 11/13/99 Pompano Beach, FL (DAT) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Mar 27 11:37:50 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:37:50 +0100 Subject: Ian Dury dead. Message-ID: Mr Blockhead has now left the building, sad day. http://www.pa.press.net/entertainment/DEATH_Ian%20Dury_42074.html "I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses, "I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises, "I could be a writer with a growing reputation, "I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station, "What a waste!" :-( Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 27 11:47:00 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:47:00 +0800 Subject: Ian Dury dead. In-Reply-To: <002301bf980a$ccff46c0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Very sad. From all the interviews that I have seen with him, he seemed to be a lovely person with a great sense of humour. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > Sent: Tuesday, 28 March 2000 12:38 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Ian Dury dead. > > > Mr Blockhead has now left the building, sad day. > > http://www.pa.press.net/entertainment/DEATH_Ian%20Dury_42074.html > > > > "I could be a lawyer with stratagems and ruses, > "I could be a doctor with poultices and bruises, > "I could be a writer with a growing reputation, > "I could be the ticket man at Fulham Broadway Station, > "What a waste!" > > > :-( > > Rich. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Mar 27 20:51:26 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:51:26 -0800 Subject: HW Galstonbury '90 Message-ID: Ref Darrin McKeehan and Glastonbury OOooops.......sorry - didn't mean to offend. We clearly disagree on this album and the '82 job - funny how music can produce such opposite reactions. I went OTT on what I said, partially because the customer reaction to G'bury '90 here at CD Services, UK, mirrored what I said and a lot of people who bought it thought and said the same. I'll be a little more restrained next time - probably means I've offended everyone now!!! But we do agree on 'Thrilling Adventures' - a gem if ever there was one Andy G. From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Mar 27 13:51:18 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:51:18 -0600 Subject: HW: SD2000 Message-ID: OK, here we go with some news from Jim Lasco. Gotta love someone who sits around thinking up cool things for us (space rock fans) to do! PS Dave Brock *please* come to Strange Daze this year ---------------------------------------------------- Here is my initial press release for SD2000.] Please list this (or post it in it's entirety) in any concert listing you may have on your website and use a banner link to us at http://www.Strange-Trips.com Please pass it on to anyone who may be interested. News weeklies, magazines, reporters, etc. Feel free to post this on the web lists and any concert listings website that you may know of ans don't hesitate to reprint it on posters or flyers. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you help us get the word out. Thanks in advance for any help you can give us! Yours, Jim Lascko ********************************************** STRANGE DAZE 2000 IS ON! Strange Daze 2000 will take place during the August 11th - 12th weekend at Nelson Ledges Quarry Park in Nelson, Ohio. We are working on adding another stage inside the tent this year and I'm still waiting to hear if Hawkwind is onboard or not. SD2000 features the return of "Nik Turner's Space Ritual" with Tommy Grenas, Len Del Rio and some of the other boys from the ever ready Pressurehed camp. Anyone who was there would attest that Nik burned it up last year in an absolutely blistering performance! I was informed that they are working on some new material to spring on this year's festival goers. Hawkwind's Richard Chadwick (drums) and Jerry Richards (guitar) are developing a side project (as of now unnamed) with Cleveland's Steve Taylor (bass) and Steve Hayes (keyboards) to debut at SD2000. Simon House's "Spiral Realms" will be there, as well as Harvey Bainbridge with his solo project "Interstellar Chaos".....BE VERY AFRAID!! It looks like Daevid Allen may also make it this year with his new "University of Errors" psychedelic rock band. We are trying to confirm that at this moment. Plus the usual gang of misfits, scum and gallows bait.....we hope! Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace, Born to Go, Architectural Metaphor, F/i, Nucleon, Einstein's Secret Orchestra, Skye Klad and more. The Solar Fire Lightshow will be there and hopefully so will Thom the World Poet and Rob Jacob's Midnite Sun Lightshow. New for this year will be $25 day tickets for those DAY TRIPPERS and we are looking into adding an extra day and starting the fest on Thursday instead of Friday. This will give us three evenings of music with none on Sunday. We'll see! Because of interest expressed in other states I am also making plans to take a slice of the SD2000 on the road for about 7-9 all-day-affair gigs in different cities this summer during the 2 weeks prior to SD2000 with Chadwick and Richards new project or even with Hawkwind as the main band! Dates and cities to be announced soon (if all goes as planned). We will be supplementing the bands traveling from this year's SD2000 with some bands living nearest to these gigs that have supported us in the past. Stay tuned to: Strange-Trips.com for future updates. -- Jim Lascko jmfinity at Strange-Trips.com http://www.Strange-Trips.com -- Doug Bates From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 26 19:44:04 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:44:04 +0100 Subject: HW What you're missing Message-ID: cheers Andy - I might just order Vol2 from you then. btw - I'm on your list (twice I think - two seperate orders), but havent had any catalogues for ages :-( [no I didnt keep the 'customer no.'] I'm after Space+Kraut+Prog catalogues as well as the ever popular cheapo clearance items. The last catalogue teased about Dusseldorf reissues and then......... For the rest of you mob, I'll recommend CDS. Decent service and they took back a CD from me at full value that they specially ordered and I duplicated by cock up. Cant say fairer than that. (If you see Flaming Lips in the bargain bucket - now you know why!) T From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 27 14:17:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:17:58 -0500 Subject: HW: NIK: Strange Daze 2K - BE THERE! Message-ID: Hi Folks...good news. Forwarding from Jim L. Keith H. (FAA) STRANGE DAZE 2000 IS ON! Strange Daze 2000 will take place during the August 11th - 12th weekend at Nelson Ledges Quarry Park in Nelson, Ohio. We are working on adding another stage inside the tent this year and I'm still waiting to hear if Hawkwind is onboard or not. SD2000 features the return of "Nik Turner's Space Ritual" with Tommy Grenas, Len Del Rio and some of the other boys from the ever ready Pressurehed camp. Anyone who was there would attest that Nik burned it up last year in an absolutely blistering performance! I was informed that they are working on some new material to spring on this year's festival goers. Hawkwind's Richard Chadwick (drums) and Jerry Richards (guitar) are developing a side project (as of now unnamed) with Cleveland's Steve Taylor (bass) and Steve Hayes (keyboards) to debut at SD2000. Simon House's "Spiral Realms" will be there, as well as Harvey Bainbridge with his solo project "Interstellar Chaos".....BE VERY AFRAID!! It looks like Daevid Allen may also make it this year with his new "University of Errors" psychedelic rock band. We are trying to confirm that at this moment. Plus the usual gang of misfits, scum and gallows bait.....we hope! Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace, Born to Go, Architectural Metaphor, F/i, Nucleon, Einstein's Secret Orchestra, Skye Klad and more. The Solar Fire Lightshow will be there and hopefully so will Thom the World Poet and Rob Jacob's Midnite Sun Lightshow. New for this year will be $25 day tickets for those DAY TRIPPERS and we are looking into adding an extra day and starting the fest on Thursday instead of Friday. This will give us three evenings of music with none on Sunday. We'll see! Because of interest expressed in other states I am also making plans to take a slice of the SD2000 on the road for about 7-9 all-day-affair gigs in different cities this summer during the 2 weeks prior to SD2000 with Chadwick and Richards new project or even with Hawkwind as the main band! Dates and cities to be announced soon (if all goes as planned). We will be supplementing the bands traveling from this year's SD2000 with some bands living nearest to these gigs that have supported us in the past. Stay tuned to: Strange-Trips.com for future updates. -- Jim Lascko jmfinity at Strange-Trips.com http://www.Strange-Trips.com From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 27 14:19:54 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:19:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 Message-ID: >OK, Are you off your soapbox, yet!? Slow down there Menace Man. I specifically requested an 'unbiased' review and thats what I got, thanks to Andy G. Unlike you and many others, I dont measure 'Hawkfanness' by how many small shiny round things and bigger black round things I own with Hawkwind written on them. I have about five times as many Hawk albums as I have for any other band and if I'm gonna increase this collection its only going to be for good quality and reasonably 'different' stuff, so I, for one, value this kind of honest review. (He did get his teeth into it a bit though didnt he? How's about a review of Yuri Gagarin then Andy?........Incidentally I too own Yuri Gagarin but made the great mistake of actually playing it) T np - Godspeed You Black Emporer From flossbac at NLCI.COM Mon Mar 27 14:53:53 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:53:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 Message-ID: I have to agree that I'm glad to get hawkwind bootlegs of whatever quality--and let's be honest, as bootlegs go, the recording quality of the Glastonbury '90 show isn't terrible. I have plenty of audience tapes that sound way worse. And yes, the performance is remarkable--it's a really good one! The Live '82 double CD on the other hand, although having superior recording quality, is pretty unremarkable as a performance. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 27 16:25:21 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:25:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 Message-ID: Ho hum, I've posted on the Collectors Series before. Andy G, in my opinion, gives a pretty balanced opinion....I don't always agree, hey but that's what makes discussion interesting. I was playing the Complete 79 CD the other day and although rough in places is well worth the dosh, in fact worth more than that. Live 82 I'm not too sure about.....I remember it as a good tour, with Nik excellent on the flute, Ghost Dance too was great. I have tape of a radio broadcast (Radio Clyde), ha, you'll probably all have it (especially Bernhard) from that tour in which the performances are better....it's a pity that complete show wasn't dug out of the vaults. I won't be buying Glastonbury, it's been twenty years since I automatically bought stuff with Hawkwind on it. That's the legacy of Zones, Text Of Festival, Yuri Gagarin etc etc. I haven't played Text or Zones all the way through for about 15 years. I know some of you don't listen to much else apart from Hawkwind, in which case you'll be happy buying any new or recycled output. But for the rest, and I suspect the majority, there's masses of other stuff around to spend yer hard earned pennies on. When Hawkwind are on form they are unstoppable....they do, however, sometimes miss the mark in the quality control department. A quick top five fav's new and renewed 1. Porcupine Tree 2. John Paul Jones (10 -more? string bass) 3. Gong (life in the old fella yet!) 4. Blur (transition from pop to psychedelia almost complete) 5. Should I reserve this place for our heroes? Dave n.p. King Black Acid (thanks Andy!) -----Original Message----- From: flossbac To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 27 March 2000 20:55 Subject: Re: HW: Glastonbury '90 >I have to agree that I'm glad to get hawkwind bootlegs of whatever >quality--and let's be honest, as bootlegs go, the recording quality of the >Glastonbury '90 show isn't terrible. I have plenty of audience tapes that >sound way worse. And yes, the performance is remarkable--it's a really good >one! The Live '82 double CD on the other hand, although having superior >recording quality, is pretty unremarkable as a performance. >John Majka >flossbac at nlci.com > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 28 01:58:08 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:58:08 -0800 Subject: HW Quality control Message-ID: Hi To One And All, Interesting reactions to my 'rant' - I must admit that, out of the three, the one I'd keep to play on the Desert Island (USA people might not get the reference!!) would be the 'Vol 1: Live '79' but the original question that I answered related to quality only, and thus the answer. The reason for the raving is just that, after 20 years selling music to people, I hate to see people get ripped off, and to me, regardless of comparisons with bootlegs (spurious, anyway, since only a certain percentage of Hawkfans have a sizeable bootleg collection), the Glastonbury thing, AS IT STANDS, fails on that front. I, of course, assumed that everyone knows the failings of the Demi-Monde stuff. But surely, enjoyment of the music is what it's all about and if that enjoyment is impaired by quality, resulting in soemthing you pay your money for and only play once in a blue moon just to remember how bad the thing is (we've all been there), I for one would like to be told. By the way, for those who are still wondering where the 'Vol 2' of that recent double that came out of Demi-Monde material (jeez, I've forgotten the title), well, so are we. The story was that, following the amazing foul-up with the two 4-CD set reissues on Dressed To Kill, that 'Vol2' was at last supposed to have the missing side of 'Text' on it (for those that wantred it), but nothing more has happened. Don't suppose it ever will, now. They've had four chances and failed every time, so no reason to suppose a 'hit' just yet. Great news about SD 2000 - every year around this time, I get jealous of not being in the USA!! Top Five non-Hawkwind faves here at CDS Towers right now? How about the new albums by: 1) Electric Bird Noise 2) Ausgang 3) Oranj Climax 4) Alan Davey 5) Pinhas/Comelade Andy G. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Mar 27 18:39:04 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:39:04 +0100 Subject: voiceprint? Message-ID: the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 release from bronze/castle? oh yeah i ordered it form voiceprint weeks ago do they take ages to deliver stuff. Any one else had this problem with them? cheers colm p,s. Thrilling stories is brilliant!! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Mar 27 22:29:15 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:29:15 -0800 Subject: HW: Re: Amon/Calvert questions Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:25:18 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >>The Die Losung CD is excellent very different fo Bob HW output a bit more >>proggy his vocaal style seems alot gruffer the song urban indian is worth >>the price of admission alone > >I totally agree. The album is reminiscent to Bob's later solo LP's, >although "Die L?sung" isn't as minimalistic and has a lot more of guitar. I agree with the "proggy" part, but I'm afraid I'm with John on this album ... On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 10:13:42 -0500, John Majka wrote: >I have the Die Losung CD with Calvert singing and I really don't care for it >at all. Honestly, it's one of the worst albums I own... I only keep it for >the Calvert connection, but his vocals and lyrics can't do much to save a >record so badly done. I don't think it sounds anything like Bob's 80s solo work (which I like very much), and it has Ozric Tentacles members all over it, which is a big minus for me (I'm probably alone on this list for not liking that band, so definitely take my assessment with a grain of salt!). The song "Urban Indian" IS the one thing on it I don't despise. ... and back to the post by Denis Regenbrecht : >>The Calvert Queen Elizabeth Hall is a single album in a Gatefold sleeve >>which came with a Tee shirt which quickly disintergrated. It features Bobs >>solo works including the rather good Diamond Mine... >>One of my all time fave gigs > >That LP has been reissued on CD by B.G.O. Records and is a must-buy for >every Calvert-fan. YES!!! >That Ninja-drummer Roland you mentioned is the in fact >the drum-machine used during that gig. It's a "holdover" from Inner City >Unit times. Their drum-machine was also called Roland. Close. The humongous Japanese music equipment conglomerate Roland (who also make Boss effect pedals) were the premier drum machine manufacturer of the early/mid-80s, and their "X0X" series (606, 707, 808, 909) are still used widely-used by techno DJ's and the like. Big Black also referred to their drum machine as "Roland" (popular name!). However, Inner City Unit never used a drum machine live. Their 'NewAnatomy' LP was the only recording to feature a drum machine, which was a Linn Drum, not a Roland (except for an 808 on one track). After ICU & Nik split, they played a few gigs as a trio before drummer Mick Stupp quit. That was when they (Pond & Reeves) started using a drum machine live, shortly before they hooked up w/Calvert (who they had already backed while still in ICU). >I hope there's >someone out there who will release the whole gig. I have a CD-R on Lone Wolf with two Calvert gigs on it. At least one (and possibly both) features the QE Hall lineup of Steve Pond (guitar) and Fred Reeves (keyboards, bass). Great stuff. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Mon Mar 27 23:49:03 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:49:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Zappa Live Message-ID: Project/Object with Ike Willis Milestones Rochester, NY Time: approx 2.5 hrs. (not counting between sets) Wow. That was probably the closest I'll ever come to hearing what an actual Frank Zappa show was like. Unless the next Project/Object show I see is even better. :-) The band had 6 members onstage playing various instruments (2 percussionists/keyboardists, a guy named "Sea Hag" who played the Steve Vai role, a Zappa-style guitarist who seemed to be the band's normal leader when Ike isn't around, a regular ol' keyboardist, and, of course, Ike Willis!) I'd give a set list, but they played so many tunes over both of their sets and I only knew about 70% of them. They played almost all of the One Size Fits All album, and a few tunes from Joe's Garage. (Stick It Out, Keep it Greasy, Outside Now, 'T-shirt', and On the Bus.) They also reached back to We're Only In It For the Money. (What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body, Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance (? don't have the album with me to check), and Let's Make the Water Turn Black.) Ike was amazing. His voice really added a lot to each of the tunes (no surprise!), but his guitar was what really did me in. I never knew he was such a guitar god. ;-) His leads sounded very Zappa-esque but I don't know if that's his real style or if it was just because he was playing Zappa's tunes. He also did some impressive shreding and rhythm work. When he wasn't playing or singing, he conducted the band (not that the band seemed to need much conducting). The rest of the band had the finger exercises and complex rhythms down cold. And their sense of humor really got me laughing. Ike and the band razzed each other for most of the show. And of course there was a sheep prop with the kazoo stuck up its butt that had various things done to it throughout the show.... So, check out http://www.projectobject.com and go see them if they play near you. Or not. But at least I had a great time. ;-) Brian obHawkwind> Andre, the Zappa-style guitarist, pointed out a guy in the crowd for his cool HW t-shirt. The guy apparently said that he used to be a roadie for HW. He was probably joking, but who knows? Anyway, was it anyone from BOC-L? obBOC> During the heavy bit in one of the instrumentals, Ike yelled "Godzilla" into the mic. :-) ----- Brian Halligan mailto:brian at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peke1978 at IOBOX.FI Tue Mar 28 01:28:30 2000 From: peke1978 at IOBOX.FI (Pekka Pesonen) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:28:30 -0500 Subject: voiceprint? Message-ID: > the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 release > from bronze/castle? No. Full show 2 cd > > oh yeah i ordered it form voiceprint weeks ago do they take ages to deliver > stuff. Any one else had this problem with them? Yes. I ordered it 2 months ago from Boxman... > Peke ---- Soitto??net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Mar 28 01:29:10 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:29:10 +0200 Subject: AW: voiceprint? Message-ID: Hi >the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 release >from bronze/castle? No!!! The Voiceprint LIVE79 was recorded in London on 01 Dez. 1979 (except SHOT DOWN)) The original LIVE79 was recorded in St. Albans on 08. Dez. 1979 >p,s. Thrilling stories is brilliant!! Yes it is, but it is NOT from London 05. Oct. 1976 Bernhard From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 28 04:31:39 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:31:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 Message-ID: At which gig was the '82 double recorded? Was it Chippenham Gold-diggers? There is a superb quality MD tape doing the rounds of that gig! Guy -----Original Message----- From: flossbac [mailto:flossbac at NLCI.COM] Sent: 27 March 2000 20:54 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Glastonbury '90 I have to agree that I'm glad to get hawkwind bootlegs of whatever quality--and let's be honest, as bootlegs go, the recording quality of the Glastonbury '90 show isn't terrible. I have plenty of audience tapes that sound way worse. And yes, the performance is remarkable--it's a really good one! The Live '82 double CD on the other hand, although having superior recording quality, is pretty unremarkable as a performance. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 27 07:59:46 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:59:46 -0500 Subject: HWOFF: Bedouin at Zaks in Wolverton In-Reply-To: <002c01bf9741$c90241e0$5c40a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: At 17.38 +0100 00-03-26, Nick Lee wrote: >Chatting to Alan afterwards he said he had some strong interest from a few >German major labels for the new album Of course, he said that last year, too :/ >I suggested that maybe Danny's dad could pull a few >strings to get them a slot at Cropredy and he replied that this was a real >possibility if they had the album on the shelves by then. Bedouin at Cropredy!? Ooo er. I can't see the majority of that crowd liking Bedouin very much. Though I'd love it. Not really folky or even pseudo-folky are Bedouin ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 28 06:47:14 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:47:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 In-Reply-To: Tim Stephenson's message of Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:19:54 +0100 Message-ID: Tim Stephenson writes: > >OK, Are you off your soapbox, yet!? > > Slow down there Menace Man. I specifically requested an 'unbiased' review > and thats what I got, thanks to Andy G. Unlike you and many others, I dont > measure 'Hawkfanness' by how many small shiny round things and bigger black > round things I own with Hawkwind written on them. I have about five times > as many Hawk albums as I have for any other band and if I'm gonna increase > this collection its only going to be for good quality and reasonably > 'different' stuff, so I, for one, value this kind of honest review. > (He did get his teeth into it a bit though didnt he? How's about a review > of Yuri Gagarin then Andy?........Incidentally I too own Yuri Gagarin but > made the great mistake of actually playing it) Ah, but have you tried playing it underwater? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 28 06:54:14 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:54:14 +0100 Subject: voiceprint? In-Reply-To: colm mcwilliams's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: colm mcwilliams writes: > the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 release > from bronze/castle? > > oh yeah i ordered it form voiceprint weeks ago do they take ages to deliver > stuff. Any one else had this problem with them? Well it was about a year after they had my cheque that they sent my Tim Blake video. FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Mar 28 09:25:39 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:25:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Glastonbury '90 In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F01201E77@lnnt47.london.ent oil.com> Message-ID: Hi At 10:31 28.3.2000 +0100, you wrote: >>At which gig was the '82 double recorded? >Was it Chippenham Gold-diggers? There is a superb quality MD tape >doing the rounds of that gig! The '82 double is from Hammersmith, 13.11.1982 (except the Moorcock lyric which is from the day before) Bernhard From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Mar 28 09:30:43 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:30:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ian Dury RIP Message-ID: Had the pleasure of interviewing him once. A true gent, an excellent performer and a grade A lyricist. Stuart NP: Reasons To Be Cheerful (Part 3) PS: Was finally made redundant today. Should be weeping, but for the first time in a long time, the window of opportunity is wide open waiting. If Ian Dury could smile what the fuck have I got to complain about. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Mar 28 09:30:45 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:30:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Glasto 90 Message-ID: Well as I started the original ruckus, and subsequent near flaming, all I shall say is that my reviews of the 3 Collectors items are contained in the web site belo. Choose latest reviews from the menu. Ducking back below the parapet Stuart Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Mar 27 14:19:22 2000 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:19:22 +0000 Subject: Lemmy en regalia Message-ID: Somebody clear this up for me: I've been a Motorhead fan for more than 15 years. I always knew Lemmy was a WWII buff, but I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be a Nazi or pro-Third Reich. I'm totally willing to believe he's not, I just need somebody to tell me! This whole thing about him having sex while wearing a Nazi uniform is a little frightening. I'd hate to think I have to ditch these guys, especially with a new album coming out this spring! -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 28 10:03:25 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:03:25 +0100 Subject: Lemmy en regalia In-Reply-To: Nick English's message of Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: Nick English writes: > Somebody clear this up for me: > > I've been a Motorhead fan for more than 15 years. I always knew Lemmy > was a WWII buff, but I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be a > Nazi or pro-Third Reich. I'm totally willing to believe he's not, I > just need somebody to tell me! Don't believe it. There was no Third Reich. Hitler didn't exist. The Nazis were a propaganda stunt by Josef Stalin. Beria created the uniforms. Lemmy was an MI6 agent recruited to assasinate te real Lee Harvey Oswald. The Committee of One Hundred discovered this and prevented him entering the US in 1974. His MK Ultra codeword expired with the death of J.D.Salinger. There is no such thing as a fnord. > This whole thing about him having sex > while wearing a Nazi uniform is a little frightening. Tell me about it. I now can't fantasise about Mary Tyler Moore in a Nazi uniform without giggling. > I'd hate to > think I have to ditch these guys, especially with a new album coming > out this spring! The Eschaton will be immanetized before it reaches the shops. > -- Nick Mike "World War II Denyer" Holmes From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Mar 28 10:17:42 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:17:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock on BOC-L chat Message-ID: I've transcribed this and you can find it by going to the Bitter Wind section of http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com and selecting it from the menu. Stuart Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 28 10:58:29 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:58:29 EST Subject: Lemmy en regalia Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/00 10:03:59 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << I've been a Motorhead fan for more than 15 years. I always knew Lemmy > was a WWII buff, but I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be a > Nazi or pro-Third Reich. I'm totally willing to believe he's not, I > just need somebody to tell me! >> ======= not that this constitutes an answer..... but the first-ever mo'head gig , 7/2075 (opening for....now we know... Greenslade) began w/an excerpt from a hitler speech, and lem is proud of his collection of memorabilia from the world wars. but is he literally a nazi? "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 28 10:21:39 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:21:39 EDT Subject: Lemmy en regalia In-Reply-To: <7b.285d104.261230a5@aol.com> Message-ID: > << I've been a Motorhead fan for more than 15 years. I always knew > Lemmy > was a WWII buff, but I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd > be a > Nazi or pro-Third Reich. I'm totally willing to believe he's > not, I > just need somebody to tell me! Hmm...Arnold Scwarzenegger and Bruce Willis are right wingers. Guess we should boycott their flicks for reasons other than the brainless content? theo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 28 11:23:44 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:23:44 PST Subject: Clarification Message-ID: >Slow down there Menace Man. WHAT? Funny, I still can't find anything menacing about my post...... Rereading it, I guess you could glean that I buy everything that HW has released, NOT TRUE! by a longshot!! Clarification: Hawkwind is the ONLY bad that I collect. I have several copies of a few releases on different labels, but not all of them by any means or stretch of the imagination. That is a bit over the top and I just could never afford that, even if I had the money...... I don't... how did you put it..... "measure 'Hawkfanness' by how many small shiny round things and bigger black round things I own with Hawkwind written on them." Not cool, dude! Like I said, I collect HW. That means that I love that feeling of "scoring" a HW album that I have been looking for, for a long time in a store. Nothing compares to that feeling! HW is a very tough band to collect. I am thankful for the collectors' guide that came w/ the Warriors Box and for the CD literature that someone put out years back. I forget who did it.... Kevin, maybe..? You really have to be informed, so you don't get ripped off or buy something that you already have under a different name w/ a different cover. It bugs the crap out of me that Hawkwind has gotten and still is getting ripped off like that! "Entire and Infinite Universe" my ass! Add to that, all the stuff that's out of print or very rare to begin with....... To me a Hawkfan is someone that enjoys the music of Hawkwind, whether they have 5 records or 50. Who cares?! It's about the music. And I have made some great friends through my enjoyment of this band. For that I am also grateful ;) Yes, there's ALOT more that I want to find. Maybe, I was wrong to say that I am like Hawkman or Mike Coleman. I was merely stating that I aspire to have a collection like theirs. Not so I can "lord" that over anyone. I got alot of cool stuff from Mike. He's a great guy! There are many people on this list that have ALOT more Hawkwind than me and know ALOT more about Hawkwind than me. I appreciate that they share their knowledge w/ us ;) Thanx Doug Pearson, Keith Henderson, Andy G., Bernard and the rest of you! Sometimes this list does get WAY off subject and that can be quite lame, but then all of a sudden Dave Brock chimes in and everything gets going again. That's what I like about it! This is a discussion group, correct? That's what I was doing. There was no personal attack on anyone by me. I don't "have about five times as many Hawk albums as I have for any other band". I have about 1000 albums from various bands. About 50 are Hawkwind. I have some multiple copies of a few releases and in the near future I will post them on the list to trade for some of the ones that I still have not found. HW vinyl is the only vinyl that's being added to my vinyl collection in many years. Well OK, I did just buy Eloy Live on vinyl and a Caravan album and Omega and a live MAN album w/ John Cipolina... but that's because I can't find them on CD and I want to hear them. I am not sure, but I probably have about 1000 CDs too. Probably about 60 of them are HW. I have the Griffin and Flicknife versions of one or 2 releases and I have "Undisclosed Files" from EBS and the Griffin 'shield' that came out w/ that release, as well. But that's because (1) IT's REALLY COOL! and (2) It would seem to be a collectible item. What I merely was saying about Glastonbury '90 is that the sound quality is only fair, but the performance kinda makes up for that, if you like that particular linup. I know that some Hawkfans don't like Bridget. Also, it seems as though it would be better to come out the way it did, sounding probably the best it can, than to have been bootlegged and sound much worse. That may have been Dave's rationale for releasing it. For that I am thankful. If you want a crisp SBD recording. Don't buy it! People SHOULD know this upfront. But it didn't really cost that much from Hawkman..... I value the honest review, as well. And as I said before, that is part of my reason for subscribing. Not to offend anyone and not to be offended. Peace, Darrin np: Anglagard -Hybris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 27 11:51:17 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:51:17 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? Message-ID: According to the index on the Post Brother's website http://empire.urcompco.com/bugtownmall/4.htm (down the page a bit) Hawkwind appears in Post Brothers (a comic) issue #26. However, another index on the same website: http://www.matthowarth.com/guestlist.html suggests that it is in fact Savage Henry issue #26 (savage henry is another comic by the same artist, Matt Howarth, following the adventures and exploits of legendary (ficiticious) prog guitarist Savage Henry, usually with many real musical guest stars such as Conrad Schnitzler, Klaus Schulze, Richard Pinhas and Amon Duul, for example... Can anyone confirm which comic (Post Bros or Savage Henry) Hawkwind appears in? ========================= excerpted from Matt Howarth's "Sonic Curiosity" section in the back of his comics, where he reviews albums: HAWKWIND: Alien 4 (CD on Emergency Broadcasting System in UK). Okay, this is an old release from 1995... but it took me this long to find a copy of it (and I'm a total obsessive about Hawkwind). And even then, I had to settle for the double vinyl version. This doesn't bode well for any interested parties. It's a decent outing for Hawkwind. This time their sonic focus is the Roswell Incident and the conspiracy theory regarding interbreeding humans and aliens. The music is their usual thick space rock with lots of brilliant guitar. And the songs are lively launches into cosmic territory. There's an "Area S4" CD EP that features no non-LP tracks (bummer). Meanwhile, that double vinyl version of the CD features one extra track. HAWKWIND: BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert (CD on Windsong International Records in UK). This live CD features a fantastic gig from 1972--a primo line-up including Lemmy and Dik Mik. Intense renditions of now classic tunes--a killer must for all Hawkfans everywhere. HAWKWIND: The Business Trip (UK CD on the Emergency Broadcast System, distributed in the USA by Griffin Records). Although it does not contain live versions of the trancier material from "It Is the Biz", this live CD is full of other surprises--like new modernized versions of old Hawkwind classics "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" and "The Right Stuff"--and a lot of new very trancy material. Hard edged weirdness from the Lords of Space Music. HAWKWIND: Future Reconstructions (Ritual of the Solstice) (CD on Emergency Broadcasting System in UK). Take some old Hawkwind classics ("Sonic Attack", "Master of the Universe", "Damnation Alley", "Uncle Sam's on Mars", "Silver Machine") and put the songs in the hands of a collection of trance happy crazies like: Astralasia, Utah Saints, Zion Train, Knights of the Occasional Table, Optic Eye, Salt Tank, Translucent, the Advent, and Doctor Jest...and you end up with 65 minutes of truly brilliant remixes. This stuff, already thick with surging sonic hooks, is techno-twisted into the future and ready for you in the present. If you're ready for a quest. Why are some of the best releases so painfully difficult to track down in the USA? HAWKWIND: It Is the Business of the Future to Be Dangerous (CD on Griffin Records in USA) This album stands as the unchallenged all-out best Hawkwind release I've ever heard. Taking HW's traditional space rock sound and grafting a trance edge onto it produces the most splendid results. Savage guitars and searing synthis lull into hypnotic riffs that uplift and inspire. The release also has its fair share of outright rock too. The guitars wail and the synthis gurgle and snicker and the percussion is like a runaway train. HAWKWIND: Love in Space (double CD on Emergency Broadcasting System in UK). Nearly 100 minutes of primo live Hawk-wind from their 1995 Alien Tour, including recent material and die hard classics. Admittedly not a breakout release, but certainly of major appeal to Hawkfans with its numerous guitar solos and intensely sinuous melodies. Another difficult to find release, while the double vinyl version of this album (which is even more difficult to find) contains one less song than the double CD. HAWKWIND: Quark, Strangeness and Charm (CD EP on Emergency Broadcasting System in UK). This cool CD EP features 4 pieces, two of them superb Astralasia remixes, including "Uncle Sam's On Mars". Mega cool! ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 28 11:58:59 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:58:59 GMT Subject: BOC: "spy in the house of... " - Doors connexion? Message-ID: I'm not a Doors fan myself and only know a couple of their songs or so... I was watching the movie on Doors (don't know the name offhand, but Val Kilmer plays Jim Morrison), and in one scene (when they return from shopping?), Jim/Val has a couple of lines mentioning "A SPY IN THE HOUSE OF LOVE". Reminiscent of a Ninja title? Coincidence? Someone please explain! My friend, who IS a Doors fan, says that the lines in question aren't from any Doors song, but that Jim had adlibbed them. thanx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 28 12:04:58 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:04:58 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000327115117.007ff6f0@flite.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: => suggests that it is in fact Savage Henry issue #26 (savage henry => is another comic by the same artist, Matt Howarth, following the => adventures and exploits of legendary (ficiticious) prog guitarist => Savage Henry, usually with many real musical guest stars such => as Conrad Schnitzler, Klaus Schulze, Richard Pinhas and Amon Duul, => for example... => => Can anyone confirm which comic (Post Bros or Savage Henry) Hawkwind => appears in? I believe it is Savage Henry #26. There was discussion about it on BOC-L when it came out. You might be able to search the archives via the WWW to determine for definite. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 28 12:09:31 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:09:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: "spy in the house of... " - Doors connexion? In-Reply-To: <20000328165859.38606.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Listen to "The Spy" on MORRISON HOTEL. It's an Anais Nin book, isn't it, SPY IN THE HOUSE OF LOVE? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Johnny Firich > Sent: 28 March 2000 17:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: "spy in the house of... " - Doors connexion? > > > I'm not a Doors fan myself and only know a couple of their songs > or so... I > was watching the movie on Doors (don't know the name offhand, but > Val Kilmer > plays Jim Morrison), and in one scene (when they return from shopping?), > Jim/Val has a couple of lines mentioning "A SPY IN THE HOUSE OF LOVE". > Reminiscent of a Ninja title? Coincidence? Someone please explain! My > friend, who IS a Doors fan, says that the lines in question > aren't from any > Doors song, but that Jim had adlibbed them. > > thanx > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 28 12:17:28 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:17:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Brock, née Comics Message-ID: AA forwarded... >excerpted from Matt Howarth's "Sonic Curiosity" section in the back of >his comics, where he reviews albums: > >HAWKWIND: Future Reconstructions (Ritual of the Solstice) (CD on Emergency >Broadcasting System in UK). >you end up with 65 minutes of truly brilliant remixes. Bollocks! >HAWKWIND: It Is the Business of the Future to Be Dangerous (CD on Griffin >Records in USA) > >This album stands as the unchallenged all-out best Hawkwind release I've >ever heard. Hardly. My least favourite since the early 80's schizophrenic period. >HAWKWIND: Quark, Strangeness and Charm (CD EP on Emergency Broadcasting >System in UK). > >This cool CD EP features 4 pieces, two of them superb Astralasia remixes, >including "Uncle Sam's On Mars". Mega cool! Mega crap! Wow! I know opinions of HW albums vary (duh!), but this is the most extreme (from my perspective) angle I've ever seen. But then techno is a very divisive phenomenon...or should I say derisive. :) Keith H. (FAA) From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Mar 28 12:27:12 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:27:12 -0600 Subject: BOC: "spy in the house of... " - Doors connexion? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe so. Also, to further the connection, the band House of Love also references Nin's book, both in their band name and in their collection of b-sides and outtakes, called A Spy in the House of Love. And maybe they also meant it as a Doors acknowledgement as well? Thomas On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Andy Gilham wrote: > Listen to "The Spy" on MORRISON HOTEL. It's an Anais Nin book, isn't it, > SPY IN THE HOUSE OF LOVE? > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Johnny Firich > > Sent: 28 March 2000 17:59 > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: BOC: "spy in the house of... " - Doors connexion? > > > > > > I'm not a Doors fan myself and only know a couple of their songs > > or so... I > > was watching the movie on Doors (don't know the name offhand, but > > Val Kilmer > > plays Jim Morrison), and in one scene (when they return from shopping?), > > Jim/Val has a couple of lines mentioning "A SPY IN THE HOUSE OF LOVE". > > Reminiscent of a Ninja title? Coincidence? Someone please explain! My > > friend, who IS a Doors fan, says that the lines in question > > aren't from any > > Doors song, but that Jim had adlibbed them. > > > > thanx > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 28 21:01:51 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:01:51 -0800 Subject: HW:Live '79 Message-ID: race to see who's first in, so here goes: the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 release from bronze/castle? ------------------------------- No, different concert apparently but not as good quality as the single CD (here we go again) oh yeah i ordered it form voiceprint weeks ago do they take ages to deliver stuff. Any one else had this problem with them? --------------------------- No idea but (plug, plug) we've had it in stock here at CD Services pretty well all the time over the past few weeks so I can't think why the delay should be the case. cheers colm p,s. Thrilling stories is brilliant!! ----------------- Correct!!! From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Mar 28 13:37:21 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:37:21 +0100 Subject: HW:Live '79 Message-ID: >oh yeah i ordered it form voiceprint weeks ago do they take ages to >deliver >stuff. Any one else had this problem with them? >--------------------------- >No idea but (plug, plug) we've had it in stock here at CD Services >pretty well all the time over the past few weeks so I can't think why >the delay should be the case. ok then seeing that its a plug, i suppose you could part with CD services details are they on line? cheers colm :) >colm > >p,s. Thrilling stories is brilliant!! >----------------- >Correct!!! > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Mar 28 14:24:43 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:24:43 -0500 Subject: HW:Live '79 In-Reply-To: <38E1640F.3F01@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 18:01 3.28.00 -0800, you wrote: >--------------------------- >No idea but (plug, plug) we've had it in stock here at CD Services >pretty well all the time over the past few weeks so I can't think why >the delay should be the case. To complete the cycle of the plug, how might one see the catalogue/contact the aforementioned CD Services? Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And philosophy is wont, in fact, not infrequently, to convert itself into a kind of art of spiritual pimping.And sometimes into an opiate for lulling sorrows to sleep." - Unamuno, _Tragic Sense of Life_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Mar 28 13:58:32 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:58:32 +0100 Subject: HWOFF: Bedouin at Zaks in Wolverton Message-ID: >>Chatting to Alan afterwards he said he had some strong interest from a few >>German major labels for the new album > >Of course, he said that last year, too :/ > Meant to say STILL there... >>I suggested that maybe Danny's dad could pull a few >>strings to get them a slot at Cropredy and he replied that this was a real >>possibility if they had the album on the shelves by then. > >Bedouin at Cropredy!? Ooo er. I can't see the majority of that crowd >liking Bedouin very much. Though I'd love it. Not really folky or >even pseudo-folky are Bedouin ;) > I dunno. I've seen Man there and Robert Plant (okay, somewhat less removed from the folky thing than Bedouin), and I'm sure I'm not imagining some band doing a reggae cover of Ace of Spades the other year. I've got plenty of Hawk-friendly mates who go every year and a little nepotism never hurt anyone. Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 28 14:37:01 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:37:01 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Einstein's Secret Orchestra Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, I saw this band listed in Jim L.'s post about potential SD'2K performers, and had to find out something about them. Coincidentally, there was a thread going on about them over on the 'triprock' onelist.com list, so I knew where to go. It turns out that they commonly perform at 'devivals' for the Church of the Sub-Genius, which from what I gather (from just 15 minutes of surfing) is best described as "Weird Al Yankovic meets Scientology" with a guy named Bob Dobbs playing the role of L. Ron. And having just read Bare-faced Messiah in its entirely during the last month, I found it to be a total gas. www.subgenius.com Well, anyway, I'm going to have to check out ESO's music at least. Kind of expensive ($20 for a CD) but then they've got to pay for all those little girl messenger outfits. :) Of course, while that's a joke, I still get this funny feeling that after sending these folks money just once, that I'll be 'in for life,' never to escape. :) (Is it still a scam if their entire premise is built upon telling you that up front?) Time for my excremediation... Keith H. (FAA) From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 28 14:53:30 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:53:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Apold To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:51 PM Subject: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? > According to the index on the Post Brother's website > http://empire.urcompco.com/bugtownmall/4.htm > (down the page a bit) > Hawkwind appears in Post Brothers (a comic) issue #26. > However, another index on the same website: > http://www.matthowarth.com/guestlist.html > suggests that it is in fact Savage Henry issue #26 Hawkwind feature in Savage Henry no.26. Subtitled "Hawkwind vs. The Forces of Chaos" And just for info - Klaus Schultz appears in Savage Henry issue no.27 jill From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Tue Mar 28 15:28:52 2000 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:28:52 -0600 Subject: [other: Moorcock: Caribbean Crisis (fwd) Message-ID: FYI. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise / simply look around and view it Anything you want to, do it / Want to change the world there's nothing to it . . . . -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:54:16 +0000 From: Una Persson To: nomads at sundancer.oche.de Subject: Caribbean Crisis With Mike's permission, I'm putting up a weekly serial of all the chapters from Caribbean Crisis. It can be found at: http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/moorcock/crisis.html I would have put the whole thing up at once, but I'm trying to type a new chapter each week. I'll put announcements in alt.books.moorcock as each chapter is put live. It also will be archived on multiverse.org. ian. PS can someone send me the instructions for subscribing to the list? I had a message from a fellow nomad and he needs to know how to join... From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Mar 28 15:45:59 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:45:59 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Einstein's Secret Orchestra In-Reply-To: K Henderson 's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: Keith, Sloterdijk inquired about a "devival" performance in Sherman New York this summer called XXX day, but it just wasn't the scene we were seeking.. Peace, Mike http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 28 16:06:37 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:06:37 EST Subject: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/00 11:58:28 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << Can anyone confirm which comic (Post Bros or Savage Henry) Hawkwind appears in? >> ===== pretty sure it was post brothers. twas moi who sent mr brock his copy of the comic; there was at least _talk_ about a subsequent issue featuring HW and samantha fox. "<>" From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 28 16:37:19 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:37:19 +0100 Subject: Clarification Message-ID: >Funny, I still can't find anything menacing about my post...... My mistake, I thought you signed it Dennis! T From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 28 17:01:10 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:01:10 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: Einstein's Secret Orchestra Message-ID: K Henderson wrote: > It turns out that they commonly perform at 'devivals' for the Church of the > Sub-Genius, which from what I gather (from just 15 minutes of surfing) is > best described as "Weird Al Yankovic meets Scientology" with a guy named Bob > Dobbs playing the role of L. Ron. And having just read Bare-faced Messiah > in its entirely during the last month, I found it to be a total gas. Hey, that's "Bob" to you, pink boy! ;-) > www.subgenius.com Oddly enough, I got all my SubGenius material when I was still in the UK. _The Book of the SubGenius_ is a must-have, and, indeed, verrily a gas. _Two Fisted Tales of "Bob"_ (fiction set in the SubGenius mythos) is also funny, although I believe that is now available in its totality on the WWW! (I still fondly remember the Lovecraft pastiche.) One of the money-back guarantee tenets of the Church of the SubGenius was that X-Day, or the day the X-Ists would come down from the sky in their flying saucers and carry up all SubGeniuses (and smite the pinks), would be at 7 a.m., July 5th, 1998. That was a date you could bank on (praise "Bob!"). Naturally, the world is still here, and amazingly devoid of X-Day devastation. I always wondered how they'd face up to that date (set long ago), so I was very amused to cruise on over to their WWW site a little after X-Day and read the spin doctoring. Of course, it was very funny. But, the "lead theory" on "what didn't happen" was that "Bob" had actually read the date upside-down: it wasn't 1998, but rather 8661! ;-) Or kill me! Cheers, Paul. PS: Throw this computer screen against the wall now! -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 29 01:01:52 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:01:52 -0800 Subject: HW Glastonbury Controversy Message-ID: Well as I started the original ruckus, and subsequent near flaming, all I shall say is that my reviews of the 3 Collectors items are contained in the web site belo. Choose latest reviews from the menu. Ducking back below the parapet ----------------------------------- This is what happens when you get a Libran fired up!!!! Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 29 01:24:56 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:24:56 -0800 Subject: HW Glasto - the last word? (and we're friends again!!) Message-ID: On Tue 28 Mar Darren NcKeehen wrote: This is a discussion group, correct?>>> Oh yes - fun, isn't it. I'm having a great time. That's what I was doing. There was no personal attack on anyone by me.>>> None taken - I am just so wary 'coz normally I'm a mild-mannered, laid-back dude, but get me fired up about something and watch me fly - I worry in case I offend someone in the process. I don't "have about five times as many Hawk albums as I have for any other band".>>>> Whoah - if you want a competition for the biggest fan with the smallest collection, I'm in - y'see I've spent my life selling 'last copies' of things to fans, thinking I'd get them next time, only to find there'd be no 'next time' - ho, hum; that's retail for you!!! Still, what I've got is pretty decent (all the main stuff). I have about 1000 albums from various bands. About 50 are Hawkwind. I have some multiple copies of a few releases and in the near future I will post them on the list to trade for some of the ones that I still have not found. HW vinyl is the only vinyl that's being added to my vinyl collection in many years. Well OK, I did just buy Eloy Live on vinyl and a Caravan album and Omega and a live MAN album w/ John Cipolina... but that's because I can't find them on CD and I want to hear them.>>>>>>> Eloy back catalogue is currently being remastered in its entirety with bonus tracks, just done first batch and the 'Live' album is part of batch two which we'll have in soon. I am not sure, but I probably have about 1000 CDs too. Probably about 60 of them are HW. I have the Griffin and Flicknife versions of one or 2 releases and I have "Undisclosed Files" from EBS and the Griffin 'shield' that came out w/ that release, as well. But that's because (1) IT's REALLY COOL! and (2) It would seem to be a collectible item.>>>>>> Too right about the shield - actually ther are only less than 80 or so in existence for sale now, and we're having some of them, so anyone who doesn't yet have the shield (and you just can't believe it until you've seen it - great way to give the postman a bad back!!), get in touch. What I merely was saying about Glastonbury '90 is that the sound quality is only fair, but the performance kinda makes up for that, if you like that particular linup. I know that some Hawkfans don't like Bridget. Also, it seems as though it would be better to come out the way it did, sounding probably the best it can, than to have been bootlegged and sound much worse.>>>>>>>>> Sometimes, I do wish bootlegs didn't exist, then I remember my ridiculously large collection of Hot Tuna tapes (just don't ask!!!!) and think that maybe they aren't such a bad thing. That may have been Dave's rationale for releasing it. For that I am thankful. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes - there I agree/ a musician listens with different ears from the rest of us and if he saw merit in it, in a way, who am I to argue, performance-wise. If you want a crisp SBD recording. Don't buy it!>>>>>>>> Too right. People SHOULD know this upfront. But it didn't really cost that much from Hawkman.....>>>>>>>> Sadly with Blair in control of the pound, you can't say that about the UK in general. I value the honest review, as well. And as I said before, that is part of my reason for subscribing. Not to offend anyone and not to be offended.>> Back to the top - fun, isn't it. -------- Last word - my favourite Hawkwind album is 'In Search Of Space' - the first one I ever heard and I'd walk a mile across a ploughed field in lead-lined boots to hear 'You Shouldn't Do That' - sheer magic. Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 29 01:56:21 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:56:21 -0800 Subject: HW and CD Services Message-ID: 28 Mar jason wrote: To complete the cycle of the plug, how might one see the catalogue/contact the aforementioned CD Services? Well, just for starters e.mail your full name, address and tel No plus e.mail to me at: andygee at dial.pipex.com then I'll send you a set of catalogues. Then if you want to order, you simply phone (01382-776595 - 24 hrs - daytime me, then plus ansafone), fax (01382-736702) or e.mail (CDSer at aol.com) your credit/switch card details, or send in cheque/postal order/IMO/Eurocheque, depending on where in the world you reside, and that's it. You'll get a cutomer number but I'll deal with that when you call/contact. Simple and secure - when the official CD Services web site is up and running by approx end of April, there will be an ultra-easy way to order there, too. Andy G (CD Services, Dundee, Scotland) From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Tue Mar 28 18:23:38 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:23:38 +0100 Subject: AW: voiceprint? Message-ID: Bloody hell! You know your stuff about hawkwind live gigs! colm >Hi > > >the voiceprint double cd "live 79" is it the same as the live 79 >release > >from bronze/castle? > No!!! > The Voiceprint LIVE79 was recorded in London on 01 Dez. 1979 (except >SHOT DOWN)) > The original LIVE79 was recorded in St. Albans on 08. Dez. 1979 > > >p,s. Thrilling stories is brilliant!! > Yes it is, but it is NOT from London 05. Oct. 1976 > > Bernhard From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Mar 28 19:01:01 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:01:01 -0800 Subject: HW live tapes Message-ID: I know they're out there..... :) I'd like to aquire tapes of the following shows, as part of a quest to get tapes of every concert I've ever been to. San Francisco, The Stone, 1989(?) (it's all a little fuzzy.....) Oakland, The Omni, 1990 (the California Brainstorm show) San Francisco, Slim's, 1995(?) (Spirit of the Age tour w/Ron) If anyone can possibly help me out with these, most plentiful thanks!!! scorch From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 28 20:43:52 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:43:52 -0500 Subject: NIK: HW: Upcoming Progression issue Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just a heads up. It'll be awhile till it comes out, but I think they usually publish on time. I have to say I'm not a big Progression/John Collinge fan really, but I may just have to break down and buy this issue. Keith H. (FAA) Progression No. 35 is slated to be published in late June and will include the following: interview with Hawkwind legend Nik Turner, an appreciation of Hawkwind's Robert Calvert....etc. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 29 08:06:52 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:52 +0100 Subject: HW:Live '79 In-Reply-To: colm mcwilliams's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:37:21 +0100 Message-ID: colm mcwilliams writes: > ok then seeing that its a plug, i suppose you could part with CD services > details are they on line? Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland Tel 01382 776595 Fax 01382 736702 I've been getting records from 'em since around 1981 so I expect that should count as The Friends of Fernando Poo Seal of Approval. Admittedly they have been behind the curve in the online revolution though. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 29 08:16:33 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:16:33 +0100 Subject: HW: OFF: Einstein's Secret Orchestra In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > Well, I saw this band listed in Jim L.'s post about potential SD'2K > performers, and had to find out something about them. Coincidentally, there > was a thread going on about them over on the 'triprock' onelist.com list, so > I knew where to go. > > It turns out that they commonly perform at 'devivals' for the Church of the > Sub-Genius, which from what I gather (from just 15 minutes of surfing) is > best described as "Weird Al Yankovic meets Scientology" with a guy named Bob > Dobbs A *guy*???? He's a genuine *salesman*. > playing the role of L. Ron. And having just read Bare-faced Messiah > in its entirely during the last month, I found it to be a total gas. Ah, the subgenii! For some reason our usenet site stopped receiving stuff for mail.subgenius so it's been a long time. Recently though I had a day trip to hospital and had to sign some forms. One of 'em is religion and so I put down Discordian. They also asked if the hospital priest would be acceptable for last rites, and preference if not, so I put down that I'd prefer an Authentic Card Carrying Pope of the Subgenius to wave me off into the hands of Bob. > www.subgenius.com Gotta have me a lookit this. FoFP From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 29 08:41:16 2000 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:41:16 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Del Dettmar Message-ID: Hi! I have a vinyl copy of Melodic Energy Commissions "Migration Of The Snails" and I`m about to sell it. If anyone is interested,send me a mail! Cheers, Juba ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 29 08:59:07 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:59:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: > Hawkwind feature in Savage Henry no.26. Subtitled "Hawkwind vs. The > Forces of Chaos" And just for info - Klaus Schultz appears in Savage > Henry issue no.27 On the comics front, I picked up a comic called "Brainstorm" a while back which included an ad for the Space Ritual tour. The content was Freak Brothers style psychedelic stuff whch wasn't too obviously related to the band. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 29 09:02:24 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:02:24 +0100 Subject: HW Glastonbury Controversy In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:01:52 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Well as I started the original ruckus, and subsequent near flaming, all > I > shall say is that my reviews of the 3 Collectors items are contained in > the > web site belo. Choose latest reviews from the menu. > > Ducking back below the parapet > ----------------------------------- > This is what happens when you get a Libran fired up!!!! > Andy G. I know I'm being a picky Virgoan, but there *is* no web site listed below. And of course us Virgoans are too skeptical to believe in astrology. FoFP From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Wed Mar 29 09:10:45 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:10:45 -0500 Subject: Fwd: North German Hawkfan Festival (Hamburg) 6/16-6/18 Message-ID: http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net (SLOTERDIJK) Subject: Fwd: North German Hawkfan Festival (Hamburg) 6/16-6/18 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:47:35 -0500 (EST) Size: 2891 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 29 10:48:48 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:48:48 EST Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: ....RIPPED FROM TODAY'S HEADLINES! -_- === according to the Boston Globe: Britney Spears was working on the video for her new smash hit, "oops! i've done it again!" yesterday (?), when a camera fell on her head. she recieved a mild concussion and four stitches, and returned to finish the shoot four hours later. what a trooper! "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 29 11:12:18 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:12:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: HW: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters Message-ID: Hi Folks... I was just considering that out of the zillions of guitarists that also sing and are primary songwriters, there just aren't very many that I consider to be really strong in all three categories. There are lots of them that are adequate singers such that I can still be a huge fan of their music, but the ones with great voices are a real rare commodity. And perhaps that's why both Hawkwind and BOC have been among my very favorites for so many years. Some people I've played Hawkwind to have said they don't like Dave Brock's voice, but I think his voice is excellent. Esp. for the type of music HW does. And with BOC, I guess you could argue that they have two guys who fit the bill. I suppose I would say that while EB is a really good singer, he wasn't born the most attractive voice, but I do really like the sound of Buck's voice. So anyway, staring for 10 minutes or so at my phalanx of CDs from all different styles and eras, I could only come up with this short list of those who I would rate really highly on all these categories...guitar, voice, songwriting. Roye Albrighton (Nektar, Snowball, Nektar, Quantum Jump, Grand Alliance, solo) Tommy Bolin (Zephyr, Billy Cobham, Deep Purple, solo) Frank Bornemann (Eloy) - probably just me...heavy German accents I actually like John Critchley (13 Engines, a great classic rock-style band from Toronto) Roky Erickson (13 Flr. Elev., the Aliens)- not sure which gtr parts he plays tho' Jeff Martin (Tea Party, another great classic rock-style band from Toronto) Steve Mills (?) (Tubilah Dog, Jerry's old band) Roger Taylor (Smile, Queen, solo, The Cross, solo) - GREAT rhythm guitarist! Steve Wilson (Porcupine Tree, No-Man, IEM, Bass Communion) That's it! I'm sure there are more I haven't thought of, but these guys are obviously rare! More common is those like Gary Moore and Uli Roth who can't get it through their heads that they *can't* sing. :) Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 29 11:15:01 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:15:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: LB forwarded... >according to the Boston Globe: >Britney Spears was working on the video for her new smash hit, "oops! i've >done it again!" What, she's had 'em enlarged *again*?? "Britney Spheres" for sure, now. :) Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 29 10:32:06 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:32:06 EDT Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <5a.317cfc3.26137fe0@aol.com> Message-ID: On 29 Mar 00, at 10:48, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > ....RIPPED FROM TODAY'S HEADLINES! -_- > === > according to the Boston Globe: > Britney Spears was working on the video for her new smash hit, "oops! > i've done it again!" yesterday (?), when a camera fell on her head. > she recieved a mild concussion and four stitches, and returned to > finish the shoot four hours later. > > what a trooper! > "<>" I hope the camera wasn't damaged! theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 29 11:51:52 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:51:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <200003291616.LAA06727@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > "Britney Spheres" for sure, now. :) Hey! That's our future queen you're talking about! ;)) -- Andy ObCD: Do Make Say Think - _Goodbye Enemy Airship..._ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Mar 29 12:11:15 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:11:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <200003291616.LAA06727@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> from "K Henderson" at Mar 29, 0 11:15:01 am Message-ID: Good one Keith! ;) > >according to the Boston Globe: > >Britney Spears was working on the video for her new smash hit, "oops! i've > >done it again!" > > What, she's had 'em enlarged *again*?? > > "Britney Spheres" for sure, now. :) > > Keith H. (FAA) > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 29 12:29:05 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:29:05 -0500 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters In-Reply-To: <200003291613.LAA05580@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, K Henderson wrote: => I was just considering that out of the zillions of guitarists that also sing => and are primary songwriters, there just aren't very many that I consider to => be really strong in all three categories. There are lots of them that are => adequate singers such that I can still be a huge fan of their music, but the => ones with great voices are a real rare commodity. Warren Haynes springs immediately to mind: great guitarist; great singer; great songwriter! => obviously rare! More common is those like Gary Moore and Uli Roth who can't => get it through their heads that they *can't* sing. :) Try telling that to a friend of mine! Although I think Gary Moore can be a bit off (trying too hard, especially on his earlier material) at times, I think his singing works well on quite a bit of his stuff. Finally, although he is not a "classic" singer by any means, I think Nick Saloman's voice melds wonderfully with the music he plays. Maybe the question should be, "who are the great guitarist/songwriter/singers- in-context?" :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Sundial, _Libertine_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 29 20:08:15 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:08:15 -0800 Subject: HW - No, no, no, no ,no, no Message-ID: Mike Holmes writes: Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland ----------------- OH JEEZ NO - no wonder you're not getting anywhere these days Mike - THAT ADDRESS HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS!!!!!! CD Services is at: 40-42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, Tayside, DD3 6EW, Scotland if anyone wants to write, send demos, pieces of cake, CD_R's, etc, etc. Thanks alot, Andy G. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Mar 29 12:59:28 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:59:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Hawkwind/Brock ref Matt Howarth comics? Message-ID: >On the comics front, I picked up a comic called "Brainstorm" a while >back which included an ad for the Space Ritual tour. The content was >Freak Brothers style psychedelic stuff whch wasn't too obviously related >to the band. > >FoFP That'd be from Bryan Talbot of Luther Arkwright fame, I guess. He's something of a HW fan, I believe. One of his pieces was reprinted in Trev's '97 tour prog and I think he's name dropped in the Ledge of Darkness comic (did he do the foreword maybe? I'll have a look later). Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 29 13:07:34 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:07:34 +0100 Subject: Lemmy en regalia In-Reply-To: <7b.285d104.261230a5@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/00 10:03:59 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > << I've been a Motorhead fan for more than 15 years. I always knew Lemmy > > was a WWII buff, but I never in my wildest dreams thought he'd be a > > Nazi or pro-Third Reich. I'm totally willing to believe he's not, I > > just need somebody to tell me! > >> > ======= > not that this constitutes an answer..... > but the first-ever mo'head gig , 7/2075 (opening for....now we know... > Greenslade) began w/an excerpt from a hitler speech, > and lem is proud of his collection of memorabilia from the world wars. > > but is he literally a nazi? From the sleeve-notes to the Castle remaster of _Bomber_, written by Stefan Chirazi: "But it's always been World War II that's held the most fascination fpr Lemmy, the German end in particular, and not for sinister reasons. No, a more anti-racist, open-minded individual you'd find it hard to meet. He simply has an insatiable desire to learn about Hitler and the German army. Not to mention the Russians, the French, Americans and everyone else involved in this landmark of world history. `It's the major subject of the century. I mean it completely changed the whole world. There isn't a trace of pre-war Europe, not politically, not geographically, nothing. The thing is he (Hitler) had this incredible power as an orator. As a speaker he was probably the best of the century, or any other century for that matter. He could keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying anything new and the people believed him because he told them what they wanted to hear.'" I believe the man himself refutes the allegation in the interview on , if it's still up there, too. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 29 12:12:31 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:12:31 EDT Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Mar 00, at 12:29, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, K Henderson wrote: > > => I was just considering that out of the zillions of guitarists that > also sing => and are primary songwriters, there just aren't very many > that I consider to => be really strong in all three categories. There > are lots of them that are => adequate singers such that I can still be > a huge fan of their music, but the => ones with great voices are a > real rare commodity. > > Warren Haynes springs immediately to mind: great guitarist; great > singer; great songwriter! > Agreed! It always floored me that the Allmans let WH sing about one song every set, when he was arguably the best singer in the group-- certainly a better singer than Dickie, and maybe better than Greg. His songwriting and guitar abilities go without saying... > Finally, although he is not a "classic" singer by any means, I think > Nick Saloman's voice melds wonderfully with the music he plays. Maybe > the question should be, "who are the great > guitarist/songwriter/singers- in-context?" :-) > Hey what about Geddy? Oops, he plays bass... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 29 12:28:39 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:28:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Mar 00, at 19:07, Jon Jarrett wrote: > From the sleeve-notes to the Castle remaster of _Bomber_, > written > by Stefan Chirazi: The thing is he (Hitler) had > this incredible power as an orator. As a speaker he was probably the > best of the century, or any other century for that matter. He could > keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying > anything new and the people believed him because he told them what > they wanted to hear.'" Can you say Ronald Reagan? theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 29 13:40:53 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:40:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <200003291829.NAA20648@syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > On 29 Mar 00, at 19:07, Jon Jarrett wrote: > > > From the sleeve-notes to the Castle remaster of _Bomber_, > > written > > by Stefan Chirazi: > > The thing is he (Hitler) had > > this incredible power as an orator. As a speaker he was probably the > > best of the century, or any other century for that matter. He could > > keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying > > anything new and the people believed him because he told them what > > they wanted to hear.'" > > Can you say Ronald Reagan? Oh, yes, indeed, I most surely can... ObCD: Pressurehed - _Sudden Vertigo_ -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 29 14:29:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:29:28 +0100 Subject: HW - No, no, no, no ,no, no In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:08:15 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Mike Holmes writes: > > Compact Disc Services > Magnum House > 140 Seagate > Dundee DD1 2HF > > Scotland > ----------------- > OH JEEZ NO - no wonder you're not getting anywhere these days Mike - > THAT ADDRESS HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS!!!!!! > CD Services is at: > 40-42 Brantwood Avenue, > Dundee, Tayside, > DD3 6EW, > Scotland Errr what year is it? FoFP From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 29 16:40:49 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:40:49 EST Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: can she sing now? rmayo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 29 17:15:36 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:15:36 +0100 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters In-Reply-To: <200003291613.LAA05580@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Joey Burns of Calexico - caught him with John Convertino in a low-key gig last night, just the two guys, playing some old stuff, some new stuff... Hypnotically brilliant. And "The Ballad of Cable Hogue," which will be the new single, is terrific! And did my ears deceive me, or did Joey dedicate the last song to Manu Chao? Of Mano Negra/_Clandestino_ fame? Everything's connected, I tell you! Have to mention their old mucker from Giant Sand, Howe Gelb, as well (and I'm seeing him on Friday). -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 29 17:04:44 2000 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:04:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: Excuse me... In the case of Saddo attack, do not Panic. Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? T From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Wed Mar 29 17:42:19 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:42:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: >Excuse me... > >In the case of Saddo attack, do not Panic. > >Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette >here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? > >T yeah like who cares? i'm sure theres a britney list you can join for things like that. :) colm > From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Mar 29 17:46:32 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:46:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: > Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? No, next is Lemmy ties *her* to the rafters for a weekend..... (audio samples to be mixed into a song on the next album) scorch From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 29 18:40:30 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:40:30 PST Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Dennis here......HA!HA!HA! (said w/ the most menacing voice...) Actually, it's Darrin. And NO attack here ;) First off, Andy G. you are one cool dude. Great responses! OK, so here goes! I did a little Sound Quality test last night between: (1) Kings of Speed (2) Glastonbury '90 (3) Milton Keynes '99 All 3 are audience recordings of would be bootleg "nature". So, it's apples and apples. For reference, these CD's were played through my stereo: 12 year old ADCOM GPF-555 amp and preamp 5 year old California Audio Lab ICON mkII 9 year old Boston Acoustic speakers Kings of Speed sounds the best of the 3. Actually, quite a bit. This is obviously from analog source and quite possible not 1st generation. There is some noise and hiss in the high end, possibly from a generation or 2 before making it to disc or dirty or misaligned heads. This is not really any distraction, however. All in all, this is a fine recording despite one minor cut. If you want a scale: it's a 9 or a solid A. Get it, if you can! Could be a tough one to find.... Glastonbury '90 and MK '99 are actually comparable in sound quality, if you have MK' 99, but have been holding out on G'90. So I'll compare them. G'90 has plenty of bottom end, but it's a little muddy. There seems to be a bit of compression in the vocals. This makes them sound a little weird. I know, I know.... you guys like things of the weird. So lets say, the vocals don't sound quite natural sometimes,probably from the mike and not fixable. But not too bad. The vocals come across a little better on MK'99. The instruments are a little easier to distinguish on MK '99, as well. Both recordings probably came from cassette. Hand held cassette recorder? Stereo mike? Assuming that the PA system for G'90 was better than the MK'99 PA (I was not at these shows, sadly) The equipment used for MK'99 was probably better than the equipment for G'90. It would be interesting to find out the source info. Anybody? There's a bit of talking on both. Maybe more on G'90. Not too bad in that area, however. Obviously, both recordings were made for personal enjoyment and not originally intended for public consumption. I would say that G'90 sounds like MK'99 would if it were run through a phat studio mixer /soundboard w/ nice parametric equalizers, but that's not really fair. I think that if that were the case MK'99 would get the nod. Dan, did a great job w/ this one. Only the taper of MK'99 could say if the CD-R sounds better than his master recording. So G'90 has a little more presence and punch that come from it's "professional" release. MK'99 is a little clearer w/o quite as much punch. If you want a scale: G'90 is a 7 or B. MK'99 is 7.5 or B/B+. If you are happy w/ MK'99, you should be happy w/ G'90. Different musicians, different songs etc. Different topic. I hope this helps any fence riders. Any source info would for any of these shows would be appreciated. Also, what is the actual date and venue for Kings of Speed? Darrin np: Djam Karet -Live At Orion ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Wed Mar 29 18:38:57 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:38:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: BRAIN: Patti Smith's new album Message-ID: I tried to send this message a few days ago, but I never received it through the list. So if you've already received this, I apologise for the wasted bandwidth. > I just picked up "Gung Ho," at the local record shop. I think this could be a big hit record for her. I originally was in the store to buy something else when I heard the first single, "Glitter In Their Eyes," on the store's PA. I immediately put down the CD I was going to buy and picked this one up instead. That's the first time that's ever happened with me. Anyway, not being familiar with Patti Smith albums beyond "Horses," I can't compare it to her own work. But I would say in general that it's hard-edged, "mature" rock. That is, the lyrics are insightful and the music is varied, but all the tunes contain some big time hooks, and the production is smooth without being overblown. I can hear her influence on The Brain Surgeons (not a big revelation, I know.) So basically, if you like Piece of Work and Box of Hammers, you'll get lots of spins out of Gung Ho. I also have another idea why this album will be a big seller. Michael Stipe does backing vocals on the single. But don't hold that against it. ;-) Semper Fi, Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 29 19:09:07 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:09:07 -0800 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:40:30 PST, Darrin McKeehen wrote: >First off, Andy G. you are one cool dude. Great responses! That he is! (Hi Andy, I owe you an Email!) Buy stuff from CD Services! >I did a little Sound Quality test last night between: >(1) Kings of Speed >(2) Glastonbury '90 >(3) Milton Keynes '99 > >All 3 are audience recordings of would be bootleg "nature". So, it's apples >and apples. > >For reference, these CD's were played through my stereo: >12 year old ADCOM GPF-555 amp and preamp >5 year old California Audio Lab ICON mkII >9 year old Boston Acoustic speakers note: Hawkwind discussion follows boring gear/tech-speak ... If you play a lot of "unofficial" audience recordings (nudge nudge, wink wink) on your stereo, I would *highly* recommend investing in a device by BBE (Barcus-Berry Electronics) that they call a "Sonic Maximizer". Although their intended application is for musicians and home/project/amateur studio users (I also use to to clean up final mixes from multitrack cassette), they work great for this purpose. See http://www.bbesound.com/maxim.html for the devices, and http://www.bbesound.com/tech.html for an explanation of the technology. They work wonders in improving high-end clarity of muddy recordings, the instruments and voices become much more distinct. Stereo models (although some have standard RCA home stereo jacks, some only have balanced 1/4" & XLR jacks) can be found used for around $100 or a bit more. Easily the best $125 (I think) I ever spent for listening to those kinds of recordings (if the source material already sounds good, the Sonic Maximizer won't do anything for it). [... most details of very informative listening test snipped ...] >I would say that G'90 sounds like MK'99 would if it were run through a phat >studio mixer /soundboard w/ nice parametric equalizers, Which is probably (I would hope!) what happened when the G'90 tape was being prepared for release (although it probably would have been all done digitally, since Pro Tools plugins these days can work work miracles with sub-optimal source material). >If you are happy w/ MK'99, you should be happy w/ G'90. That's what I wanted to hear! I'll have to pick up 'Glastonbury 90', then, since I do like the Bridget lineup very much. Darrin, thanks for the detailed listening test. This is exactly the kind of evaluation that these 'Collector Series' releases could use, so that people will know whether or not they'll fit into their individual sound quality tolernance threshold. Me, I love 'Text of Festival' because the jam on disc 2 of the vinyl set is IMO one of the most incredibly psychedelic jams *ever* recorded, sound quality be damned! I'll state the painfully obvious in saying, if that crap can be reissued again and again and again, why the *#&%R^ can't at least one of the releases have the whole album on it?!? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 29 19:38:38 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:38:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Darrin said... >If you are happy w/ MK'99, you should be happy w/ G'90. But it cost more for G'90 than blank discs and postage. :) And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 compared to other live recordings with barking dogs? Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Gong - 02oo (damn, my infinity symbol 246 isn't working!) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 29 19:41:14 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:41:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Hi Folks... Can someone tell me the true name (as it appeared on the album) of the track entitled 'Voyage To Pluto' on the Nik T tour promo sampler (on Cleo)? I know it was something else, perhaps even Spiral something....but I can't recall. And I don't have the 'Crystal Jungles of Eos' disc anymore (I lost it, or it was nicked), which I think it appeared on. Thanks in advance...Keith H. (FAA) From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Mar 29 19:59:58 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:59:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <200003300034.TAA20854@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 True to what it'd have been like to be in the audience. Just like the singer's belch in the middle of "Darling Be Home Soon" on "Slade Alive!" -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Mar 29 20:03:45 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:03:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <200003292246.OAA21068@bob.te-cats.com >; from scorch@TE-CATS.COM on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:46:32PM -0800 Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:46:32PM -0800, John H. McCartney wrote: > > Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? > > No, next is Lemmy ties *her* to the rafters for a weekend..... > (audio samples to be mixed into a song on the next album) > Lemmy at 'er! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 30 02:29:49 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:29:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: Have I mentioned before that Britney Spears has a little sister called Broccoli? :-) Cheers, Rich. > > "Britney Spheres" for sure, now. :) > > Hey! That's our future queen you're talking about! > > ;)) > > -- Andy > > ObCD: Do Make Say Think - _Goodbye Enemy Airship..._ > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 30 02:32:14 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:32:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 > > True to what it'd have been like to be in the audience. Just > like the singer's belch in the middle of "Darling Be Home Soon" > on "Slade Alive!" > > Whoo - wierd. I was playing that last night. Fantastic album. Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 30 04:07:12 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:07:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: Tim Stephenson's message of Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:04:44 +0100 Message-ID: Tim Stephenson writes: > Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette > here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? Has she??? Who did it? > T FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 04:08:15 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:08:15 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <20000329234030.87236.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 15:40 29.3.2000 -0800, you wrote: >Also, what is the actual date and venue for Kings of Speed? Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) I was there and I know who made the original tape Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 30 04:10:22 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:10:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 compared > to other live recordings with barking dogs? Much better given that it was an authentic doggie-on-a-string. FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Mar 30 05:04:50 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:04:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Jeez - this is real uncanny! I was playing Slade Alive yesterday too! Actually, I play it at least twice a week! Although totally unlike like HW, Slade are (were) probably one of the finest bands in the multi-verse, and "Darlin' be Home Soon" is one of the finest tracks on that LP - even better than Lovin' Spoonful's original version. Guy -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: 30 March 2000 08:32 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 > > True to what it'd have been like to be in the audience. Just > like the singer's belch in the middle of "Darling Be Home Soon" > on "Slade Alive!" > > Whoo - wierd. I was playing that last night. Fantastic album. Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 30 05:13:41 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:13:41 GMT Subject: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] Message-ID: > > keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying > > anything new and the people believed him because he told them what > > they wanted to hear.'" > >Can you say Ronald Reagan? > Did anybody actually listen to Reagan though? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 30 05:18:51 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:18:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slade Message-ID: You're quite right. My housewarming was origionally going to be a Slade themed night, showing Slade In Flame constantly on the video, and playing all the albums from Beginnings to You Boyz Make Big Noize in chronological order. Sadly, Gill was having none of that nonsense thank you very much... :-{ (Where were you Andy?!) :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Guy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: Re: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! > Jeez - this is real uncanny! > > > I was playing Slade Alive yesterday too! Actually, I play it at least twice > a week! Although totally unlike like HW, Slade are (were) probably one of > the finest bands in the multi-verse, and "Darlin' be Home Soon" is one of > the finest tracks on that LP - even better than Lovin' Spoonful's original > version. > > Guy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] > Sent: 30 March 2000 08:32 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! > > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500, K Henderson > wrote: > > > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking > dog on G'90 > > > > True to what it'd have been like to be in the audience. > Just > > like the singer's belch in the middle of "Darling Be Home > Soon" > > on "Slade Alive!" > > > > > > Whoo - wierd. I was playing that last night. Fantastic > album. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From christmu at EUNET.NO Thu Mar 30 05:47:44 2000 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:47:44 +0200 Subject: HW: Glastonbury 90 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 compared > to other live recordings with barking dogs? I wonder if its it the same dog the announcer reports swallowed some glass, and more importantly, did the dog survive the ordeal? :) Chr. ObCD: Killing Joke - Democracy From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Mar 30 06:41:11 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:41:11 +0100 Subject: HW - No, no, no, no ,no, no Message-ID: Please note that all parcels containing comestible product should be addressed to me, coz I'm a hungry begger :-O -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI [mailto:andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM] Sent: 30 March 2000 02:08 Subject: Re: HW - No, no, no, no ,no, no Mike Holmes writes: Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland ----------------- OH JEEZ NO - no wonder you're not getting anywhere these days Mike - THAT ADDRESS HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS!!!!!! CD Services is at: 40-42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, Tayside, DD3 6EW, Scotland if anyone wants to write, send demos, pieces of cake, CD_R's, etc, etc. Thanks alot, Andy G. From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 07:03:24 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:03:24 +0200 Subject: HW: Glastonbury 90 In-Reply-To: <000901bf9a35$74a24900$975247c1@default> Message-ID: Hi At 12:47 30.3.2000 +0200, you wrote: >And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on >G'90 compared to other live recordings with barking dogs? You can hear another (or is it the same one who survived ??) dog barking during the Watchfield gig on 23.08.1975 Bernhard From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Mar 30 07:06:26 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:06:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: Has she really, perm or wave ? DARFC Mark (Hasbeen) -----Original Message----- From: Tim Stephenson [mailto:timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: 29 March 2000 23:05 Subject: Re: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Excuse me... In the case of Saddo attack, do not Panic. Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? T From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 30 06:17:29 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:17:29 EDT Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Mar 00, at 23:15, Andy Gilham wrote: > Joey Burns of Calexico - caught him with John Convertino in a low-key > gig last night, just the two guys, playing some old stuff, some new > stuff... Hypnotically brilliant. And "The Ballad of Cable Hogue," > which will be the new single, is terrific! > BTW, the film of the same title is excellent as well... theo From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Mar 30 08:28:28 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:28:28 +0100 Subject: HW Glastonbury Controversy Message-ID: That would be because the sig was snipped from the reply but it should be below now, and if not it's http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Stuart Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard"? Don Van Vliet http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Sent: 29 March 2000 15:02 > Subject: Re: HW Glastonbury Controversy > > > ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > > > Well as I started the original ruckus, and subsequent near flaming, all > > I > > shall say is that my reviews of the 3 Collectors items are contained in > > the > > web site belo. Choose latest reviews from the menu. > > > > Ducking back below the parapet > > ----------------------------------- > > This is what happens when you get a Libran fired up!!!! > > Andy G. > > I know I'm being a picky Virgoan, but there *is* no web site listed > below. > > And of course us Virgoans are too skeptical to believe in astrology. > > FoFP > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 30 08:29:20 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:29:20 -0500 Subject: HWOFF: Bedouin at Zaks in Wolverton In-Reply-To: <005c01bf98e7$9e99a540$d47ba8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: At 19.58 +0100 00-03-28, Nick Lee wrote: >I dunno. I've seen Man there and Robert Plant (okay, somewhat less removed >from the folky thing than Bedouin), and I'm sure I'm not imagining some band >doing a reggae cover of Ace of Spades the other year. I've got plenty of >Hawk-friendly mates who go every year and a little nepotism never hurt >anyone. Well, more power too them! My only complaint is I wouldn't be there to see it anymore! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 30 08:30:53 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:30:53 -0500 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Petri Walli *was* a genius guitarist/singer/songwriter ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 30 08:32:05 2000 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:32:05 -0500 Subject: Lemmy en regalia In-Reply-To: <7b.285d104.261230a5@aol.com> Message-ID: I had thought Lemmy's negative views on Nazis were by now well known ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Mar 30 10:05:46 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:05:46 -0600 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Petri Walli *was* a genius guitarist/singer/songwriter ... Absolutely! Great loss to the music world. Great new Kingston Wall website! http://members.tripod.com/~mirrorland/ And another: http://www.helsinki.fi/~takorhon/kw/kwall.html I always thought all HW fans would *love* Kingston Wall. Check it out! Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 30 10:35:24 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:35:24 -0500 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters Message-ID: Carl Edlund notes... >Petri Walli *was* a genius guitarist/singer/songwriter ... I'm not such a big fan of his voice, though I love the band. (Scandinavian accents don't work as well for me as German accents for some reason.) And it's hard to separate 'voice' from singing talent in many cases I suppose. And whether I listen to a singer depends more on the music being sung to, anyway. For instance, I have always thought that Deborah Harry has a great voice, but I never liked 95% of the music she ever sang to. Which I guess goes back to that triple-combo idea....you have to get it all right at the same time to get to someplace *very* special. (It's only lyrics that I hardly care about.) :) Keith H. (FAA) From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Thu Mar 30 10:43:51 2000 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:43:51 -0800 Subject: Combo gtr/vcl/songwriters Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:05:46 Karen Kusic wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Petri Walli *was* a genius guitarist/singer/songwriter ... >Absolutely! Great loss to the music world. Agreed! Damn shame. >Great new Kingston Wall website! >http://members.tripod.com/~mirrorland/ Very nice. >I always thought all HW fans would *love* Kingston Wall. Check it out! This one did! I bought all 3 double CDs based on the advice of BOC-L'ers and love them all. Kingston Wall tops the list of bands I've caught onto because of this list (which includes Gov't Mule, Darxtar, Pseudo Sun, Farflung, Pressurehed, Anubian Lights, Garmarna, and others). Jeez, if it wasn't for this list, I might have had enough money to afford to have another kid! MWood NP: Explorers Club - _Age of Impact_ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From micci at SCI.FI Thu Mar 30 11:05:48 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:05:48 +0300 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Hi Folks... >Can someone tell me the true name (as it appeared on the album) of the track >entitled 'Voyage To Pluto' on the Nik T tour promo sampler (on Cleo)? I >know it was something else, perhaps even Spiral something....but I can't >recall. And I don't have the 'Crystal Jungles of Eos' disc anymore (I lost >it, or it was nicked), which I think it appeared on. > >Thanks in advance...Keith H. (FAA) Yes, it is Spiral Realms song. In Crystal Jungles.. album song name is Solar Wind and it?s longer than promo sampler version! Maybe Voyage.. is demo version or something! ObLP:Porcupine Tree- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 30 11:17:58 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:17:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Miika said... >>Can someone tell me the true name (as it appeared on the album) of the track >>entitled 'Voyage To Pluto' on the Nik T tour promo sampler (on Cleo)? I >>know it was something else, perhaps even Spiral something....but I can't >>recall. And I don't have the 'Crystal Jungles of Eos' disc anymore (I lost >>it, or it was nicked), which I think it appeared on. >> >>Thanks in advance...Keith H. (FAA) > >Yes, it is Spiral Realms song. In Crystal Jungles.. album song name is Solar >Wind and it?s longer than promo sampler version! Maybe Voyage.. is demo >version or something! Yep, that's it! Spiral something... Solar something... I knew it was something like that. :) >ObLP:Porcupine Tree- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape OK, so what's this 'Out' piece like? Is it rather like "Magnu" as was earlier suggested? And if so, how much so? Izzit worth my $30 anyhoo (if I've already got the CD that is)? Keith H. (FAA) From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 30 12:06:39 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:06:39 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > At 15:40 29.3.2000 -0800, you wrote: > > >Also, what is the actual date and venue for Kings of Speed? > > Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) > > I was there and I know who made the original tape > > > Bernhard Hi Bernhard Please tell me the name From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 12:32:11 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:32:11 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <12aiP1-1qDtYnC@fwd03.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: At 19:06 30.3.2000 +0200, you wrote: >>I was there and I know who made the original tape >Please tell me the name :-)))) From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 30 12:41:56 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:41:56 +0100 Subject: HWOFF: Bedouin at Zaks in Wolverton Message-ID: >Well, more power too them! My only complaint is I wouldn't be there >to see it anymore! > > Coincidentally enough, this year's Cropredy flyers arrived through the post today. They've added an extra night of music on thursday, since so many people turn up to camp then anyway. The advance ticket price for al three days is a whopping ?46. Still, much cheaper than Glasto, I guess. Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 30 12:48:27 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:48:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kingston Wall and CDNow coupons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Marshall Wood wrote: => >I always thought all HW fans would *love* Kingston Wall. Check it out! => => This one did! I bought all 3 double CDs based on the => advice of BOC-L'ers and love them all. Kingston Wall => tops the list of bands I've caught onto because of this => list (which includes Gov't Mule, Darxtar, Pseudo Sun, Does anyone know where I can get the three Kingston Wall reissues on CD in the USA without paying an arm and a leg? Also, speaking of paying an arm and a leg, I noticed on that online CD coupon site (http://cdshopper.cjb.net or http://beam.to/cdshopper) that CDNow may be getting rid of their coupon programme (for background, see http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1574547.html). This is a shame for CDNow shoppers, because some great savings can be had if you're careful. For example, I just ordered the MoFi Ultradisc of BOC's _Blue Oyster Cult/Tyranny and Mutation_ from CDNow using a $10 off coupon, and the final total (including shipping) came to just under $16. (Thought I'd best try and nab that one since MoFi went out of business!) So, get 'em whilst you still can! Cheers, Paul. NP: Steve Hillage, _BBC Radio One Live in Concert_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 30 12:55:42 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:55:42 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > >Also, what is the actual date and venue for Kings of Speed? > > Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) > > I was there and I know who made the original tape > > > Bernhard I was there too. And Rainer Wangler as well. And if one listens closely to the end of the CD there is some German talking there from all of us 3. We were very disappointed about this gig, it was the 1st HW gig as a 3-piece. And they played only for about 75 minutes, which left a lot of space on my C90 tape - oops! Andreas From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Mar 30 13:05:36 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:05:36 +0100 Subject: No Subject Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at aol.com To: timnjaq at tstephenson.freeserve.co.uk ; colm1 at ministryofsound.net Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: No Subject >if _truly_ necessary, you gentlemen may f*ck off. > >the spears thing was a passing anecdote about an especially silly pop singer, >who's become sort of scorned, getting bonked on the head while making a vid.. > >an eyeroll for the day >which had caused some amusement >before you guys showed up. > >"<>" > From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Thu Mar 30 13:05:48 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (colm mcwilliams) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:05:48 +0100 Subject: No Subject Message-ID: ok well i just spoke my mind on the subject. i didn't expect you to take offense and personally email me back to tell me to f*ck off if you expect to be able to post things and not expect responses that i think quite franky WERE NOT RUDE, then you don't understand what a mailing list is for. colm -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at aol.com To: timnjaq at tstephenson.freeserve.co.uk ; colm1 at ministryofsound.net Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: No Subject >if _truly_ necessary, you gentlemen may f*ck off. > >the spears thing was a passing anecdote about an especially silly pop singer, >who's become sort of scorned, getting bonked on the head while making a vid.. > >an eyeroll for the day >which had caused some amusement >before you guys showed up. > >"<>" > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 30 13:07:46 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:07:46 EST Subject: No Subject Message-ID: ok well i just spoke my mind on the subject. "<>" From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 30 20:30:24 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:30:24 -0800 Subject: HW G'bury '90 Message-ID: Darren's dissertation on the merits of MK/G'bury/K Of Speed: I now feel I am ready to take a degree in the subject, so just you bring out those exam papers and watch me fly!!! Andy G.(called a lot of things in his time but never 'one cool dude' - love it!!) From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 30 20:49:26 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:26 -0800 Subject: HW - The album, the whole album and nothing but the album Message-ID: 30th Mar (or whatever day it is - I get lost with these wek things....), Doug Pearson scribed: Me, I love 'Text of Festival' because the jam on disc 2 of the vinyl set is IMO one of the most incredibly psychedelic jams *ever* recorded, sound quality be damned! I'll state the painfully obvious in saying, if that crap can be reissued again and again and again, why the *#&%R^ can't at least one of the releases have the whole album on it?!? ------------------ Well, ignoring the fact that it has now become painfully obvious that the reason I hated the 'G'bury '90 so much is because I don't have living room full of equipment, that equates more to NASA HQ than a living room, in order to process ny CD's, let me just explain for anyone that doesn't know, that Dave Anderson never realised that the original release of 'Text' on CD, did not have the final side of the vinyl on it. Much later, coming to last year, he re-licensed the album to a label called Dressed To Kill, who were supposed to release a five-album box set of the Demi-Monde material with 'Text' taking up two CD's, restoring the missing stuff. But, surprise, surprise, it came out as a 4-CD set (forgotten the title) with 'Text' as a single CD. I called Dave (Anderson) to see why this was and he was dead annoyed 'coz it should have been the full thing and it turns out that the guys at Magnum, who distribute and have a lot to do with the Demi-Monde stuff, never knew what was missing in the first place, and just carried on with the original master. So, Dave came up with the idea of doing an EP just of the missing stuff, changed his mind, and decided to get Magnum/DTK to redo the 5 CD set. So, guess what came out - yep, another 4 CD set (in fact the same one) now retitled and repackaged and called 'Entire and Infinite History of Hawkwind' or something like that, but still without the missing stuff. I gave up. Then, months later, lo and behold we find that the Demi-Monde material was coming out yet again, this time across two new double CD's, and restoring the entire 'Text' album onto CD. Distributed by Pinnacle this time, and with the music actually remastered by Dave ('don't expect miracles' was the quote I got), all looked well when the first double was sold in by Pinnacle and actually came out. So, we waited eagerly for 'Vol 2'...and waited....and waited...and waited. Nothing - not a sausage!!!! We're still waiting. Maybe this saga will end one day, but if you want a story of how to get something so wrong as to defy belief, this one has to take the biscuit. Hope you all appreciate this little slice of the history of Hawkwind retail and the pitfalls that can pursue the average dealer (next time I'll tell you about the aborted BBC Sessions album if you ask me nicely). Andy G. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 30 21:02:18 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:02:18 -0800 Subject: HW saddos Message-ID: Excuse me... Someone wrote: In the case of Saddo attack, do not Panic. Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? --------------------- Hey if we must talk about the gorgeous women in music, I'm torn between Jay Aston of Bucks Fizz and the goth woman from Sisters Of Mercy, with Sarah from Bananarama and Carol Decker as runners up. Now who's a saddo..... Andy G. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 30 13:44:07 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:44:07 -0500 Subject: HW: G'bury '90 Message-ID: Cool Dude writes... >Darren's dissertation on the merits of MK/G'bury/K Of Speed: >I now feel I am ready to take a degree in the subject, so just you bring >out those exam papers and watch me fly!!! > >Andy G.(called a lot of things in his time but never 'one cool dude' - >love it!!) Um, perhaps in the future you should sign your name "Andy Gee" so that we don't all think it's the *other* Andy G. that's the cool dude! :) still Keith H. (FAA), even though I haven't seen Keith F. (as in Frazier) here in a long while. Or should I go by my 'real name' Grakkl? :) P.S. Gong claims to be on the Glasters '00 schedule...I assume though, that it's a far cry from finalized at this point, right? The voting booth is down again at the moment, but lets hope (for a future Collectors' Vol. series disc at least) that the Hawks get the 'call.' Don't anyone bring a dog! :) From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 13:48:25 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:48:25 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <12ajAU-1cNOs4C@fwd04.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: At 19:55 30.3.2000 +0200, you wrote: >Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: >> >Also, what is the actual date and venue for Kings of Speed? >> >> Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) >> >> I was there and I know who made the original tape >> >> >> Bernhard > >I was there too. And Rainer Wangler as well. And if one listens closely to the >end of the CD there is some German talking there from all of us 3. We were very >disappointed about this gig, it was the 1st HW gig as a 3-piece. And they played >only for about 75 minutes, which left a lot of space on my C90 tape - oops! Yeah, I remember! We made it to Tilburg, Cologne, Osnabrueck and Bochum on this tour and had a lot of fun though the gigs were not the best HAWKWIND gigs we have seen For me the Hammersmith gig on 16.05.1992 was the best I have ever seen (also as a 3 piece but they played as if they were 6 on stage) Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 30 13:54:05 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:54:05 +0100 Subject: HW: G'bury '90 In-Reply-To: <200003301845.NAA16302@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > Um, perhaps in the future you should sign your name "Andy Gee" so that we > don't all think it's the *other* Andy G. that's the cool dude! :) Hey, I just sign as "Andy" - I don't need the "G" here! Of course, the G family is full of talented people, what with Kenny, Gina, and now Ali, so much respec' to them all... ;) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 30 13:57:03 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:57:03 EST Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) <> = hmmm. i was trading HW tapes w/bernhard and rainer in the early '90s [hi gents] and as far as that gig being the 1st trio gig, i've got shows from 10/5 and 10/6, which were closer to 90 mins. all three shows are great, on the band's part. "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 14:07:45 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:07:45 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <43.2b9dc91.2614fd7f@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 13:57 30.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: >i was trading HW tapes w/bernhard and rainer in the early '90s [hi gents] and >as far as that gig being the 1st trio gig, i've got shows from 10/5 and 10/6, >which were closer to 90 mins. >all three shows are great, on the band's part. Here are all known tapes from this tour with the gig lengths: TOWN HALL DATE DAY TIME Goeteborg Magasinet 28.9.1991 Sat 75 Stockholm Dailys Bar 29.9.1991 Sun 80 Uppsala Barowiac 2.10.1991 Wed 70 Lund Smalands Nation 3.10.1991 Thu 60 Copenhagen Loppen 4.10.1991 Fri 75 Berlin H & M 5.10.1991 Sat 85 Hamburg Markthalle 6.10.1991 Sun 80 Herford Rock Haeven 7.10.1991 Mon 75 Bochum Zeche 8.10.1991 Tue 80 Frankfurt Batschkapp 9.10.1991 Wed 80 Tilburg Noorderligt 12.10.1991 Sat 80 Amsterdam Paradiso 15.10.1991 Tue 80 Though the tour wasn't a highlight the gigs were OK so far IMHO the worst HAWKWIND gig is Exeter 31.08.91 1991 was not the best year for HAWKWIND Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 30 14:21:35 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:21:35 EST Subject: HW saddos Message-ID: In a message dated 3/30/00 1:18:45 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << Excuse me... Someone wrote: In the case of Saddo attack, do not Panic. Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? --------------------- Hey if we must talk about the gorgeous women in music, I'm torn between Jay Aston of Bucks Fizz and the goth woman from Sisters Of Mercy, with Sarah from Bananarama and Carol Decker as runners up. Now who's a saddo..... Andy G. ========== G Tanx, G. maybe mr tim had a bad day. and we'd been doing so _well_... one might consider assuming that any number of mega-performers who were to get brained by a falling camera while shooting a vid would have been equal fodder for an OFF post. but NO....it was Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiitney. of whom i know, and have seen or heard, almost nothing. sheee-it, contemporary 'record' stores are _full_ of stuff i'll never hear. all i know about these l'il pop girls is that one ubiquitous picture of christina aguilera. i DO, however, like TLC. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 30 14:27:28 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:27:28 EST Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/30/00 2:08:10 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << 1991 was not the best year for HAWKWIND >> <<===eeek! === hi bernhard, i guess the 'issue' was the 10/8 gig being the first trio gig, and it wasnt, so that's cool. === i thot '91 was a _real_ good year for hawkwind! the trio was my second-favorite HW line-up, after the Space Ritual band. okay, thanks for the reply! "<>" From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 30 14:31:22 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:31:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <00e001bf9a1a$12f497f0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 08:32 30/03/00, you wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 07:38:38PM -0500, K Henderson wrote: > > > And how would you rate the sound quality of the barking dog on G'90 > > > > True to what it'd have been like to be in the audience. Just > > like the singer's belch in the middle of "Darling Be Home Soon" > > on "Slade Alive!" > > > > > >Whoo - wierd. I was playing that last night. Fantastic album. > >Cheers, > >Rich. Definitely...not quite sure why I never bought it! ChrisW NP:Radio4 P.S. If this mail comes out full of control chars etc. let me know...new mail prog "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 30 14:33:54 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:33:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <200003300907.KAA17462@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 10:07 30/03/00, you wrote: >Tim Stephenson writes: > > > Just what sort of freakin middle aged saddo's are discussing a pop bimbette > > here? Whats it next - Posh Spice gets a new hairdo? > >Has she??? Who did it? > > > T > >FoFP Who's "Posh Spice"? ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 30 14:34:57 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:34:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <20000330101341.39019.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 11:13 30/03/00, you wrote: >> > keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying >> > anything new and the people believed him because he told them what >> > they wanted to hear.'" >> >>Can you say Ronald Reagan? > > >Did anybody actually listen to Reagan though? Only his wife's astrologer!!! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 30 14:59:29 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:59:29 +0100 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: >1991 was not the best year for HAWKWIND > >Bernhard Probably a fair point, but I did rather enjoy the Brixton gig that year. It was pretty good to see Tim Blake with them and between the two sets they must've topped the 2hr mark. Nick From denis at D-RIDER.DE Thu Mar 30 15:16:05 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000330203333.00caa630@pop.clara.net> Message-ID: At 21:33 30.03.00, Chris Warburton wrote: >Who's "Posh Spice"? That dark-haired Spice Girl, who's married to David Beckham. cu D+R From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 15:22:48 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:22:48 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <002901bf9a82$76b40b00$283da8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: At 20:59 30.3.2000 +0100, you wrote: >Probably a fair point, but I did rather enjoy the Brixton gig that year. >It was pretty good to see Tim Blake with them and between the two sets they >must've topped the 2hr mark. The Brixton gig (06.07.91) with TIM BLAKE was the highlight in 1991 Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Mar 30 15:26:54 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:26:54 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: <99.2f818f8.261504a0@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 14:27 30.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: ><< 1991 was not the best year for HAWKWIND >> <<===eeek! :-))) >i thot '91 was a _real_ good year for hawkwind! the trio was my >second-favorite HW line-up, after the Space Ritual band. The trio played lot of excellent gigs (especially April/May 1992 and October/November 1994) but IMHO the European October 1991 tour was not a great one Bernhard From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 30 15:28:27 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:28:27 -0500 Subject: No Subject In-Reply-To: <004901bf9a72$94b98a40$a0aa93c3@colmmcwi> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, colm mcwilliams wrote: => ok well i just spoke my mind on the subject. => => i didn't expect you to take offense and personally email me back to tell me => to f*ck off => => if you expect to be able to post things and not expect responses that i => think quite franky WERE NOT RUDE, then you don't understand what a mailing => list is for. And, apparently, you don't understand that mailing lists are NOT for re-broadcasting without the senders permission private e-mail sent off-list! (Please keep private e-mail private, in future. I'm not partial to seeing other people's dirty laundry...) :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Frank Zappa, _Lather_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 30 14:55:35 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:55:35 +0100 Subject: HW saddos Message-ID: >goth woman from Sisters Of Mercy, with Now playing bass for the Damned, in case anyone's at all interested. Nick From MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM Thu Mar 30 14:35:58 2000 From: MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM (Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: rippas@fcmc.comlive365.com online radio station Message-ID: Cozmic Greetingz Pop pickerz! check out what i'm listening to right now at http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi search for 'BORN to GO' or 'SpaceRock' . You are looking for: BORN to GO - SpaceRock transmissions from planet X Enjoy! much more to come! Space is One Trip! Marc. From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Thu Mar 30 16:25:02 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:25:02 -0500 Subject: Fwd: SLOTERDIJK: Ticket Giveaway Message-ID: http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net (SLOTERDIJK) Subject: SLOTERDIJK: Ticket Giveaway Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:11:29 -0500 (EST) Size: 1783 URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 30 16:26:51 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:26:51 -0800 Subject: HW saddos Message-ID: OK, this has gone off-topic long enough ;^) ... On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:55:35 +0100, Nick Lee wrote: >DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >>goth woman from Sisters Of Mercy, with > >Now playing bass for the Damned, in case anyone's at all interested. That would be Patricia Morrison, who got her start in the girl-fronted LA punk band the Bags (one of whom was later in, I think, the Go-Go's). Later, she was in the Gun Club (before being in Sisters of Mercy). The main guitarist in the Gun Club was Kid Congo Powers, who was also briefly in the Cramps. Another guitarist who was briefly in the Cramps either right before or right after Kid Congo was Mike Metoff (credited as "Ike Knox" on the records). Mike Metoff's main band was the Pagans (possibly the greatest-ever US punk band IMO, from Cleveland Ohio), but during a break in the Pagans, he had a band called the (Radio Alarm) Clocks. The keyboard player from the Clocks (who also played on one Pagans album, although he was "purged" on the reissue, sort of like Steve Hillage on 'Vive Gong/Gong Est Mort') was Chas Smith. Chas Smith's current band is ... Einstein's Secret Orchestra, who are playing at Strange Daze this year (and who opened for Hawkwind in Cleveland in '97). -Doug (who is still looking forward to the "Mot?r-Spice" collaboration) ceres at sirius.com From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Thu Mar 30 16:33:08 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:33:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Zebulon Mysterioso To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 30 March 2000 11:17 Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy en regalia [no BOC/HW] >> > keep going over the same old rubbish year in year out never saying >> > anything new and the people believed him because he told them what >> > they wanted to hear.'" >> >>Can you say Ronald Reagan? >> > > >Did anybody actually listen to Reagan though? Yes, best one man stand-up comedian I've ever seen on the box. Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 31 00:39:00 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:39:00 -0800 Subject: HW The 'G saga ends here and now Message-ID: On Thur 30 Mar we saw: > Um, perhaps in the future you should sign your name "Andy Gee" so that we > don't all think it's the *other* Andy G. that's the cool dude! :) Hey, I just sign as "Andy" - I don't need the "G" here! Of course, the G family is full of talented people, what with Kenny, Gina, and now Ali, so much respec' to them all... ;) ------------------------------- Sorry - forgot all about Mr Gilham - never thought he could be the 'cool dude' - the reason I became 'Andy G' was because I got fed up with being quoted in books & mags where my surname was always mispelt, so I ended up with this tag. Still from now on, it's goodbye from Andy Garibaldi (yep - the famous one, before you ask!!) From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Mar 30 17:22:13 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:22:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK: Ticket Giveaway Message-ID: As they used to say on the radio in Syracuse year after year, "You know it's summer when they're [space] rockin' at Weedsport." :-) Last time I saw a band there for Independence Day was 1993: Van Halen with the Vince Neil Band opening (featuring the former guitarist from Billy Idol's band.) The guitar pyrotechnics threatened to drown out the visual pyrotechnics. ;-) Theo was there too (right Theo?), but this was slightly before my BOC-L days. >Hello, >If you are from New York State, southeastern Canada, or anywhere from >which you would be willing to travel to "Weedsport" New York (near >Syracuse), SLOTERDIJK is offering some FREE TICKETS to our show at The >Musicstock 2000 Music, Peace & Love.. [details snipped] >E-mail SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net if you are interested in our giveaway and >come along if you dare.............. >Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) Sounds great, Mike. I'll write you through your private address for details. Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Thu Mar 30 17:39:25 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:39:25 +0100 Subject: HW - The album, the whole album and nothing but the album In-Reply-To: <38E40426.2C02@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: That was all really interesting. I'm new to this discussion forum and your contribution is the best I've read so far...........So.....(nicely),please,please.....(even nicer!).....tell us about the aborted BBC sessions album. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 30 18:21:11 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:21:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: AI mail order Message-ID: Hi Folks... Sorry to pander, but I suppose that since Jerry (with a *bit* of help from me) started up the Aural Innovations mail order service specifically to support spacerock/psych music (and probably won't make so much money to even make the time spent worth the effort...in a fiscal way), then I guess it makes sense to actually 'promote' its existence. Of course, you might know that we've registered the www.aural-innovations.com domain and hope to have that active in a month or so. But in the meantime, we're still at http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html. And there you will find the catalog link to find the items available. We're focussing on bands that mainly have very little presence (in the US anyway) otherwise, so things like Mr. Quimby's Beard and Krom Lek (very good, by the way!) you won't find too many other places in the states (if any). But also, we've worked up a deal with the Garden of Delights label in Bochum, Germany to handle a limited number of their re-releases of old krautrock gems, by bands such as Agitation Free, Eiliff, Gila, G?a, and the like. And now, thanks to the Quarkspace folks (who are also part of the catalog of course), we can now accept credit card orders, which might make things easier for those who have forgotten how to use those rectangular white things and a pen. :) Note that Jerry (who's told me he has no personal qualms about firing off cc details in email messages...he's just lucky I guess...I've been 'scammed' once somehow) hasn't provided any secure way of forwarding numbers (except by phone, and who knows who's listening in there?!) :) (If any PGP expert or whatever wants to send me a personal email telling me how easy or hard it is to set that up, well then go ahead. I'll pass off the info to Jerry once *I'm* informed.) Grakkl (FAA) P.S. I guess I'll start using my 'real name.' :) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Mar 30 18:52:04 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:52:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000330221424.00ae1d70@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Message-ID: At 21:16 30/03/00, you wrote: >At 21:33 30.03.00, Chris Warburton wrote: > >>Who's "Posh Spice"? > >That dark-haired Spice Girl, who's married to David Beckham. > >cu > > D+R OK, so who's David Beckham? ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Mar 30 20:33:37 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:33:37 -0600 Subject: OFF: 'N Sync/BSB sales Message-ID: 'N Sync- No Strings Attached 2.41 million copies sold *1st week* last sales record: Backstreet Boys "Millenium" 1.13 million. -numbers from USA Today 3/30/00 Total BSB Record sales: 106 million as of 2/20/00 -http://www.ashweb.com/bsb/music.htm like McDonalds vs. Burger King! From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Mar 30 20:54:55 2000 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:54:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: 'N Sync/BSB sales Message-ID: Total sales are 63 million units, not 106. sorry about that! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 30 21:31:42 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:31:42 +0800 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000331005141.00b28c00@pop.clara.net> Message-ID: > >>Who's "Posh Spice"? > > > >That dark-haired Spice Girl, who's married to David Beckham. > > > >cu > > > > D+R > OK, so who's David Beckham? > Famous British soccer player. From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Mar 31 00:00:17 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:00:17 +0200 Subject: HW/OFF: Del Dettmar Message-ID: Hell Juba, Probably too late,but how much do you ask for it? I'm very interested. Tried your private e-mail,but was rejected? best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Juba N To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: HW/OFF: Del Dettmar > Hi! > > I have a vinyl copy of Melodic Energy Commissions "Migration Of The Snails" > and I`m about to sell it. > If anyone is interested,send me a mail! > > Cheers, > > Juba > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Mar 31 03:50:44 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:50:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Keith With regard to Porcupine Tree: I think the track is called "One", (not "Out"), and I've got it on a cassette somewhere! It was recorded yonks ago, as a "Hawkwind Pastiche" - whatever that is supposed to be! Yes - it is very like Magnu. Not a great song, and if you've already got YHDS, I wouldn't bother trying to get another version with it on, IMO, as it really is a rather average album! Good name though! Best wishes Guy T -----Original Message----- From: K Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] Sent: 30 March 2000 17:18 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Spiral Realms Miika said... >>Can someone tell me the true name (as it appeared on the album) of the track >>entitled 'Voyage To Pluto' on the Nik T tour promo sampler (on Cleo)? I >>know it was something else, perhaps even Spiral something....but I can't >>recall. And I don't have the 'Crystal Jungles of Eos' disc anymore (I lost >>it, or it was nicked), which I think it appeared on. >> >>Thanks in advance...Keith H. (FAA) > >Yes, it is Spiral Realms song. In Crystal Jungles.. album song name is Solar >Wind and it?s longer than promo sampler version! Maybe Voyage.. is demo >version or something! Yep, that's it! Spiral something... Solar something... I knew it was something like that. :) >ObLP:Porcupine Tree- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape OK, so what's this 'Out' piece like? Is it rather like "Magnu" as was earlier suggested? And if so, how much so? Izzit worth my $30 anyhoo (if I've already got the CD that is)? Keith H. (FAA) From Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Mar 31 04:49:54 2000 From: Rainer.Wangler at T-ONLINE.DE (WANGLER) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:49:54 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM schrieb: > Bochum, Zeche, 08 October 1991 (Germany) > > < > only for about 75 minutes, which left a lot of space on my C90 tape - oops!>> > = > hmmm. > > i was trading HW tapes w/bernhard and rainer in the early '90s [hi gents] and > as far as that gig being the 1st trio gig, i've got shows from 10/5 and 10/6, > which were closer to 90 mins. > all three shows are great, on the band's part. > I think that the `91 us tour are much better as the european tour a few month later. dave had alot of problems with his voice and alan sings for him but his voice was not good for all the songs. > "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 05:29:45 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:29:45 +0100 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:32:11 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 19:06 30.3.2000 +0200, you wrote: > >>I was there and I know who made the original tape > > >Please tell me the name > > :-)))) HANGMAN! ------ ------- OK, first try: W FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 05:53:49 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:53:49 +0100 Subject: HW - The album, the whole album and nothing but the album In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:26 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: [Text of Festival...] > Well, ignoring the fact that it has now become painfully obvious that > the reason I hated the 'G'bury '90 so much is because I don't have > living room full of equipment, that equates more to NASA HQ than a > living room, in order to process ny CD's, let me just explain for anyone > that doesn't know, that Dave Anderson never realised that the original > release of 'Text' on CD, did not have the final side of the vinyl on it. > Much later, coming to last year, he re-licensed the album to a label > called Dressed To Kill, who were supposed to release a five-album box > set of the Demi-Monde material with 'Text' taking up two CD's, restoring > the missing stuff. But, surprise, surprise, it came out as a 4-CD set > (forgotten the title) with 'Text' as a single CD. I called Dave > (Anderson) to see why this was and he was dead annoyed 'coz it should > have been the full thing and it turns out that the guys at Magnum, who > distribute and have a lot to do with the Demi-Monde stuff, never knew > what was missing in the first place, and just carried on with the > original master. So, Dave came up with the idea of doing an EP just of > the missing stuff, changed his mind, and decided to get Magnum/DTK to > redo the 5 CD set. So, guess what came out - yep, another 4 CD set (in > fact the same one) now retitled and repackaged and called 'Entire and > Infinite History of Hawkwind' or something like that, but still without > the missing stuff. Time to phone and shout "PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE NOW!!!!" > I gave up. An alternative strategy. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 05:56:31 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:56:31 +0100 Subject: HW saddos In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:02:18 -0800 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Hey if we must talk about the gorgeous women in music, I'm torn between > Jay Aston of Bucks Fizz and the goth woman from Sisters Of Mercy, with > Sarah from Bananarama and Carol Decker as runners up. > Now who's a saddo..... For me it's Carol Bayer Sager or that Nina woman with the song about balloons. Though Mary Tyler Moore in a Nazi uniform... > Andy G. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 05:57:52 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:57:52 +0100 Subject: HW: G'bury '90 In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: > P.S. Gong claims to be on the Glasters '00 schedule...I assume > though, that it's a far cry from finalized at this point, right? The > voting booth is down again at the moment, but lets hope (for a future > Collectors' Vol. series disc at least) that the Hawks get the 'call.' > Don't anyone bring a dog! :) Nobody did. It was The Hound of the Buskervilles... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 06:01:07 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:01:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:16:05 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > At 21:33 30.03.00, Chris Warburton wrote: > > >Who's "Posh Spice"? > > That dark-haired Spice Girl, who's married to David Beckham. Who's David Beckham? FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 31 06:04:45 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:04:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sad lad fantasies... :-) Message-ID: > > For me it's Carol Bayer Sager or that Nina woman with the song about > balloons. Nena. Good armpit hair I seem to remember. Kim McAuliffe for me, every time. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Jean-Claude Van Damme should really be referred to as ** ** "The Mussel From Brussels", as both his parents are shellfish.** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 06:03:54 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:03:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:31:42 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > OK, so who's David Beckham? > > > Famous British soccer player. I thought that was George Best? FoFP From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 31 06:58:30 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:58:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <200003311103.MAA29429@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 12:03 31/03/00, you wrote: >William Duffy writes: > > > > OK, so who's David Beckham? > > > > > Famous British soccer player. > >I thought that was George Best? > >FoFP Naaah, Denis Law.... And for those who kinda missed the point, of course I know who "Posh" & "Becks" are - I'm sick of the sight of their soppy mugs every time i walk into a supermarket!!!! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 31 06:21:56 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:21:56 EDT Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000331125614.00cb9100@pop.clara.net> Message-ID: On 31 Mar 00, at 12:58, Chris Warburton wrote: > At 12:03 31/03/00, you wrote: > >William Duffy writes: > > > > > > OK, so who's David Beckham? > > > > > > > Famous British soccer player. > > > >I thought that was George Best? > > > >FoFP > Naaah, Denis Law.... > > And for those who kinda missed the point, of course I know who "Posh" > & "Becks" are - I'm sick of the sight of their soppy mugs every time i > walk into a supermarket!!!! I give up...What's a 'saddo?' And don't tell me to look in the mirror... theo > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a > coffin" - Bierce From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 31 06:29:16 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:29:16 EDT Subject: OFF: SLOTERDIJK: Ticket Giveaway In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000330172047.00975690@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: On 30 Mar 00, at 17:22, Brian Halligan wrote: > As they used to say on the radio in Syracuse year after year, "You > know it's summer when they're [space] rockin' at Weedsport." :-) Last Or, as Eric Bloom said once from the stage there: '...Smells like we've got some weed in Weedsport...' > time I saw a band there for Independence Day was 1993: Van Halen with > the Vince Neil Band opening (featuring the former guitarist from Billy > Idol's band.) The guitar pyrotechnics threatened to drown out the > visual pyrotechnics. ;-) > > Theo was there too (right Theo?), but this was slightly before my > BOC-L days. That former guitarist was none other than THE Steve Stevens! Don't know how he wound up with an idiot like Vince, but still a great show. Pretty sure that was the last show I saw there too... > >Hello, > >If you are from New York State, southeastern Canada, or anywhere from > >which you would be willing to travel to "Weedsport" New York (near > >Syracuse), SLOTERDIJK is offering some FREE TICKETS to our show at > >The Musicstock 2000 Music, Peace & Love.. > Hey, I live right up the road from Weedsport. They just started advertising this gig locally, though the ads don't really suggest it's a space rock show... > [details snipped] > > >E-mail SLOTERDIJK at webtv.net if you are interested in our giveaway and > >come along if you dare.............. Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) > > Sounds great, Mike. I'll write you through your private address for > details. > > Brian Me too! > ----- > Brian Halligan > mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com > http://www.bhalligan.com/ From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Mar 31 07:58:36 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:58:36 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack -No Ducking! Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM schrieb: > i was trading HW tapes w/bernhard and rainer in the early '90s [hi gents] and > as far as that gig being the 1st trio gig, i've got shows from 10/5 and 10/6, > which were closer to 90 mins. > all three shows are great, on the band's part. I was referring to the first gig to witness for Bernie, Rainer and me (we?re also a trio, you know?). Andreas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 31 05:04:38 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:04:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F71627D@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: In message <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F71627D at BRIGHTON>, Mark Lee writes >Has she really, perm or wave ? more of a bleached crop, really. -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 31 08:29:52 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:29:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:04:38 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F71627D at BRIGHTON>, Mark Lee > >Has she really, perm or wave ? > > more of a bleached crop, really. Hasn't she got awfully thin though. Do you think she has some sort of eating dispoder? FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 09:22:52 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:22:52 +0300 Subject: OFF:ALAN DAVEY Message-ID: Hi! Alan "The Elf" Davey- Chaos Delight is absolutely great album. I have vinyl version and side b have couple new songs too. Packet also include great comic too. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 09:22:58 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:22:58 +0300 Subject: Kingston Wall gtr/vcl/songwriters Message-ID: Hi! >> >> Petri Walli *was* a genius guitarist/singer/songwriter ... > >Absolutely! Great loss to the music world. I agree. There is band call Saunabadh and ex-KW bass player Jukka Jylli plays on it. Really good psychedelic/hard rock band. They had release CD-ep, whick is really good. Check it out. http://saunabadh.com Actually there is no much information yet, they just opened this. If you contack with them, say Hi from me, please! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 09:23:03 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:03 +0300 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Keith H wrote: >>ObLP:Porcupine Tree- Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape > >OK, so what's this 'Out' piece like? Is it rather like "Magnu" as was >earlier suggested? And if so, how much so? Izzit worth my $30 anyhoo (if >I've already got the CD that is)? Yes it is "magnu" you will recognize it immediately. Rather good version is my opinion. Hard to say is it worth, if you already have a CD, but you can sell you CD to me and then you don?t have to think it anymore :-) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 09:23:17 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:23:17 +0300 Subject: off:Dark Sun Message-ID: Hi! Bad news! New album call Ice Ritual vinyl version will be late. Probably it will be out mid April and I personaly really hope so! It will be every HW fan must item! You can check cover at Dark Sun page! http://hop.to/darksun Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 31 09:30:54 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:30:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: That'd be Denis Law who started his English football career with Huddersfield Town then... (Any opportunity) :-) For all those who genuinely don't know who David Beckham is (HELLO AMERICA!)... > Man United are playing Chelsea at Old Trafford one Saturday > afternoon. Fifteen minutes into the game George Weah is > adjudged to have fouled Jaap Stam at a corner and furiously > shouts and remonstrates at the ref. On seeing this, Beckham > goes up to Weah, puts a finger up to his lips and says "Shhhhh." > > Then he bursts out laughing and runs off leaving Weah > somewhat bewildered. Ten minutes later Dwight Yorke puts > United one up after sloppy defending and George is furious at > his defence and shouts at them to get their act together. > Once again Beckham comes up to Weah, says "Shhhh," starts > wetting himself laughing and runs off again. > > Weah turns to his equally puzzled team mates, but they all > shrug their shoulders in confusion too. Just before half time > old George loses his cool again and shouts at a linesman, and > for a third time Beckham repeats his strange act. The half > time whistle blows and as the players walk off, Roy Keane > goes up to Beckham and says "Hey Becks, what's all that about > with Weah then?" > > Beckham whispers something in Keane's ear, and the Corkman > looks to the heavens and says to Beckham "No you eejit, he's > a Liberian!" > Cheers, Rich. ObCD: TPD Interactive - Don't Give Up Your Day Job ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: Re: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) > At 12:03 31/03/00, you wrote: > >William Duffy writes: > > > > > > OK, so who's David Beckham? > > > > > > > Famous British soccer player. > > > >I thought that was George Best? > > > >FoFP > Naaah, Denis Law.... > > And for those who kinda missed the point, of course I know who "Posh" & > "Becks" are - I'm sick of the sight of their soppy mugs every time i walk > into a supermarket!!!! > > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 31 09:32:19 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:32:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) Message-ID: More like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle if you ask me. :-) Cheers, Rich. ObThingToDoAtAMate'sLeavingLunch: Get Arseholed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: OFF: "oops! she's done it again" (BONK!) > In message <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F71627D at BRIGHTON>, Mark Lee > writes > >Has she really, perm or wave ? > > more of a bleached crop, really. > -- > Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 31 09:32:57 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:32:57 +0100 Subject: off:Dark Sun Message-ID: > Hi! > > Bad news! New album call Ice Ritual vinyl version will be late. Bad News have got a new album out????!!! Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM Fri Mar 31 10:10:14 2000 From: MPower at EXCHANGE.ML.COM (Power, Marc (ETS - Equity Development Support)) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:10:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: 70's women/Fusion Orchestra Message-ID: On a more obscure note, I looked up Jill Saward formerly of 70's UK progrock outfit, Fusion Orchestra (notable album: 'Skeleton in Armour'). I used to love that band, I literally wore out the vinyl of that album. I knew that she formed an all-girl band in the late 70's called Brandy, that eventually faded. I saw them several times at The Wellington Pub in Waterloo. Her high kick at the end of the set was something to behold, since she would frequently 'forget' her panties. I found out that she eventually had joined an MOR jazz/RnB ensemble called Shakatak, along 'Swing out sister' lines, had some hit Euro singles, married one of the band, had some kids and settled into humdrum middleclass suburban life. Life is stranger than fiction. Anyone else remember Fusion Orchestra? Did Skeleton in Armour ever come out on CD? Space is One Trip! Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.borntogo.com/btg.html for BORN to GO www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=borntogo for BORN to GO Radio! From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Mar 31 11:40:21 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:40:21 +0200 Subject: OFF:ALAN DAVEY In-Reply-To: <200003311422.RAA02987@pyyhe.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: Hi, At 16:22 31.03.00, Miikka Wagner wrote: >Alan "The Elf" Davey- Chaos Delight is absolutely great album. I have vinyl >version and side b have couple new songs too. Packet also include great >comic too. I totally agree with you. The album really shows Alan at his best, both on bass and synths. Especially his version of "Theme From U.F.O." kicks ass. It would be great, if he did not only tour in the UK but on the Continent, too. cu D+R From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Mar 31 12:02:00 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: OFF:ALAN DAVEY Message-ID: Where can one get a copy of this Alan Davey album? John Majka flossbac at nlci.com > Hi, > > At 16:22 31.03.00, Miikka Wagner wrote: > > >Alan "The Elf" Davey- Chaos Delight is absolutely great album. I have vinyl > >version and side b have couple new songs too. Packet also include great > >comic too. > > I totally agree with you. The album really shows Alan at his best, both on > bass and synths. Especially his version of "Theme From U.F.O." kicks ass. > It would be great, if he did not only tour in the UK but on the Continent, too. > > cu > > D+R > From denis at D-RIDER.DE Fri Mar 31 12:11:02 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:11:02 +0200 Subject: OFF:ALAN DAVEY In-Reply-To: <000d01bf9b32$d59d7740$d16040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: Hi, >Where can one get a copy of this Alan Davey album? >John Majka >flossbac at nlci.com I don't know where (or if) you can order it in the US. I ordered mine from SONIC ATTACK mail order (http://home.t-online.de/home/sonicattack/). I'm sure Harald will also ship to the US. cu D+R From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 12:14:04 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:14:04 +0300 Subject: off:Dark Sun Message-ID: Hi! >> Bad news! New album call Ice Ritual vinyl version will be late. > >Bad News have got a new album out????!!! > >Cheers, > >Rich. Okey, okey, It?s good news, but when it?s late that?s bad. Happy?! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Fri Mar 31 12:15:23 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:15:23 +0300 Subject: OFF:ALAN DAVEY Message-ID: Try Andy (gee) Garibaldi. >Where can one get a copy of this Alan Davey album? >John Majka >flossbac at nlci.com > > > >> Hi, >> >> At 16:22 31.03.00, Miikka Wagner wrote: >> >> >Alan "The Elf" Davey- Chaos Delight is absolutely great album. I have >vinyl >> >version and side b have couple new songs too. Packet also include great >> >comic too. >> >> I totally agree with you. The album really shows Alan at his best, both on >> bass and synths. Especially his version of "Theme From U.F.O." kicks ass. >> It would be great, if he did not only tour in the UK but on the Continent, >too. >> >> cu >> >> D+R >> > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 31 23:20:01 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:20:01 -0800 Subject: HW - The Prize Message-ID: Whoever it was that wrote: > > For me it's Carol Bayer Sager or that Nina woman with the song about > balloons. Nena. Good armpit hair I seem to remember. Kim McAuliffe for me, every time. --------------------- BINGO - Full circle: Girlschool > Lemmy > Hawkwind The only discussion group on the internet that can connect Britney Spears with Hawkwind in 20 moves. I claim the prize!!! Andy G'b. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 31 23:50:44 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:50:44 -0800 Subject: HW - Alan Davey Message-ID: Where can one get a copy of this Alan Davey album? John Majka flossbac at nlci.com CD Services, Dundee Scotland: we have the CD and vinyl in right now so e.mail me at CDSer at aol.com or phone 01382-776595 or fax me at 01382-736702 for details, OK. Andy G'b. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 31 17:47:46 2000 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:47:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: 70's women/Fusion Orchestra In-Reply-To: <4FFB381C0259D21180080001FA7EFE94EFD2A7@ewfd37.exchange.ml. com> Message-ID: At 10:10 31/03/00 -0500, you wrote: >On a more obscure note, I looked up Jill Saward >formerly of 70's UK progrock outfit, Fusion Orchestra >(notable album: 'Skeleton in Armour'). Whooeee - that's a memory stretcher - they were among the first few bands I ever saw, in the Students Union at the local tech college IIRC. A bit too slick for their own good perhaps, but v.good (& loud!). >I used to love that band, I literally wore out the vinyl of that album. I'm not even sure I ever saw the album, but record emporia in sunny B-o-T weren't exactly noted for stocking the obscure: don't know if I'd have bought it from my slender resources at the time. Don't recall "Brandy" though. >I found out that she eventually had joined an MOR jazz/RnB >ensemble called Shakatak, along 'Swing out sister' lines, >had some hit Euro singles, married one of the >band, had some kids and settled into humdrum >middleclass suburban life. I didn't think Shakatak were soooo awful as that kind of production line funk went, and I certainly hadn't realised the connection! >Anyone else remember Fusion Orchestra? So, yes, I do. How about Sattva? Satisfaction? The Roy Young Band? Byzantium? ChrisW (Greying by the minute)