From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jun 1 11:20:49 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:20:49 +0300 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: >P.S. Is Finnish TV selling videos (VHS-NTSC preferably) of the Nik/5:15 >show that was just recently shown there? Unfortenately no! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jun 1 22:15:50 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:15:50 EDT Subject: OFF/HW: "Space-Rock" Message-ID: In a message dated 5/30/00 7:58:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > Yeah, things have gotten a little 'technical' around here lately. Gigdates > of the past, tabs, who's doing what when, tourdates, CD releases delayed > (again)....all that's fine and dandy and useful info (I contribute plenty > meself). However, might be nice to have some 'theoretical' discussions > around here once in awhile. I helped spur one on over at spacerockers to a > smaller audience, so many of you prolly missed it. > Exactly! Like the recent '80s Hawk-discussion was cool, though I still would have expected more contribution...oh well...I guess there are a lot of folks on the list who have just discussed the stuff to death already... but, as for Space-Rock, is there a decent e-mail mailing-list for this more general topic? > Hmmm...well I often work on the basis of 'quotas' and sub-genre-izing to the > extreme. Mainly just to get a handle on so many bloody discs in my > possession. yeah, I usually do so as well, I was just in the mood to try something different this time...try to pin down a real pure musical definition of "space-rock" for myself. again, it was a totally personal thing, so I didn't expect people to agree or anything... And I think you've cut out a few that deserve 'inclusion.' And > as you say, you were pretty narrow in this collection. Nothing wrong with > that...this is all great stuff. yep, again, this was intentional. I tend to call my program ("space does not care") space-rock, psyche and related genres, but if people wanna call it all space rock...that's fine 'cause it's all space-rock 'n' roll to me... :) Other than Potlach (did that CD finally > come out?) and Gong Est Mort (I coulda bought the vinyl at one point years > ago, but am still waiting for a CD), I could have made this same compilation. > > uh-oh--please don't use this as a criterion! what _don't_ you (and Jerry combined) have?? As for EST MORT---yeah, I saw this on CD a long time ago at Best Buy, but since it was a $20-25 import I thought I'd wait...have since regretted this (as I also regret not buying the Griffin ASAM CD at full-price; have yet to come across it again). Anyway, glad to hear Est Mort is having a new CD re-issue! > I'm very surprised *not* to see any of the improvisational works of bands > like Escapade, SubArachnoid Space, Speaker\Cranker, Mushroom, Mirza....all > kindred spirits I believe and a major 'new' movement in space-psych music. > You play this stuff on your fabulous radio show every week...so where is it? > :) > same defense here again, though I did find it necessary to make a 3nd tape, on which I incl. Escapade. Mushroom and Mirza you know I like very much, but yeah, I could more easily sub-genrize these... I do still have 7 minutes remaining at the end of tape 3, I'm thinking either SubSpace or A. Planetscapes (which?? Radiation King? Internat'l Sponge? Chris in Space is too long...). And there's a little less of 'free festy' psych than I would have thought. The two Melting Euphoria's are a good surrogate, but I would have to have given some time to the UK side of things, Delerium bands mainly. Ship of Fools, Dead Flowers, ---Yeah, I know you're a big fan of ASC, but I'm not as crazy about it (though I like it). I think I'll go ahead and air "Free the Weed" soon and just bleep out the bad words. Soma, all those folks. And a Porky Tree tune or two on the side. --these other bands I'm not as well versed in. as for Free-Festy, what could get more free festy than "We/I Do It" (incl. on tape 3). Also on said tape: Ozrics' title track to Strangeitude. I would stretch the boundary and throw on a 'stoner' tune by Orange Goblin (for Tim!) ;) or mebbe On Trial at least. ---you'd think I'd be more into this "stoner-rock" thing...but I guess I already had my fill w/the earlier wave--Cathedral/St. Vitus, etc from my metal daze. Or from the new Spacious Mind. ---something's wrong here! There are parts I like...but very generic metal riffs abound and the vox are too grungey. "Sailing the Sea Goat" was also a disappointment. Organic Mind Solution is fantastic. any other SM releases like this?? Cosmic Minds at Play maybe? haven't found it yet... And then some dreamy shoegazery-space stuff like the first Verve album, or SIANspheric (from Hamilton, ON), or Aspera Ad Astra, or 7% Solution, or DarkStar's Gracedelica, or old Levitation. ---maybe if they went back to star-gazin'... :) You've got a good sample of the old krautrock stuff (though I would have picked different tracks from each band) and plenty of great classic space rock and blanga stuff. And some of the fuzzy space-punk of Chrome/P-hed/ST37. The Sundial is a good choice in lieu of the garagey neo-psych of Woronzow et al., but maybe one more of these. Debatable things are droners (Bardo Pond, Charalambides, Magnog, Windy & Carl, etc.), neo-krautrock/post-rock (Fuxa, American Analog Set, Tortoise, Stereolab, Karamasov...though either Circle or Ausgang are a must!), pure ambient (I would choose a single Cluster/Harmonia track at least), ---Yeah, if "space _music_" had been the idea, it would have been a lot different, plenty more ambience in the T-Dream/Cluster sense or "Space-Techno" in the Orb/FSOL sense. but I wanted a drum/bass/guitar _rock_ approach. I think you need at least three tapes! :) ---Okay, i'll just consider this a work in progress... :) here's #3 (which would please anyone who thought HW got gipped, except no friggun Brainstorm! oh yeah--there is tape #4, it can wait for that): anyway, tape 3 Side I: 1. F/i--Space Station (it's just too quintessential!) 2. Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Space Ritual, again--quintessential) 3. Dark Sun--title track of Feed Your Mind (great tune, Mikka, but the rest of the album don't cut it for me!) 4.Vibrasonic--Perpetual Motion Machine (anyone else heard this? should please someone who thought there was a dearth of '60s-Psyche sounding stuff) 5.Neu!--Fur Immer (Neu! 2) 6.Hawkwind--Cronoglide Skyway (Astounding Sounds...) 7.Krel--So Long/Star Fall (Ad Astra) 8.Ozrics--title track of Strangeitude side2: 1.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) 2.Hawkwind--Magnu/Angels of Death (Anthology) 3.Escapade--Intoxicated by the Swirling Blue (Citrus Cloud Cover) 4.Agitation Free--Laila II (Last) 5.Nebula Trip--Causes of Riots (Birth) 6.Hawkwind--I/We Do It (14-minute Masters version) 7.as yet undecided! better? Chuck From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu Jun 1 03:09:52 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:09:52 +0200 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: Hello all, Just bought the Hawkwind Family Box on Cleopatra and the content is: -HAWKWIND:Psychedelic Warlords . The Best Of -NIK TURNER:Prophets Of Time -SPIRAL REALMS:Trip To G9 -SURPRISE CD:STEVE PEREGRINE TOOK:THE MISSING LINK TO TYRANNOSAURUS REX Can anyone tell what this got to do with Hawkwind? The only link I can figure out,it's that Twink's on it? The box was sealed but had Spiral Realms:Solar Fire in it instead of "Trip To G9" Sorry,mean "Solar Wind" (was thinking about that Manfred Mann's Earth Band album which I think is a gas) Anyway for my it's good as I already had "Trip To G9" but not "Solar Wind" Also didn't have the Hawkwind CD yet.So 3 out of 4 isn't bad I think? greetings filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 2 14:04:54 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:04:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Family Box In-Reply-To: <000a01bfcb98$7ba8f0c0$4ca608d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: >-SURPRISE CD:STEVE PEREGRINE TOOK:THE MISSING LINK TO TYRANNOSAURUS REX > >Can anyone tell what this got to do with Hawkwind? Not a heck of a lot, I don't think, but that's Cleopatra for you. :) He did spend some time in the Pink Fairies, and I saw him once (can't have been long before he died) guesting with Inner City Unit, at the Camden Music Machine if memory serves. I suppose naming yourself after a hobbit was cool in the 60s. ;) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jun 2 13:08:13 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:08:13 -0400 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: Filip wonders.... >Just bought the Hawkwind Family Box on Cleopatra and the content is: >-HAWKWIND:Psychedelic Warlords . The Best Of >-NIK TURNER:Prophets Of Time >-SPIRAL REALMS:Trip To G9 >-SURPRISE CD:STEVE PEREGRINE TOOK:THE MISSING LINK TO TYRANNOSAURUS REX > >Can anyone tell what this got to do with Hawkwind? Nothing. Except maybe he played with T. Rex and they did gigs with Hawkwind IIRC. But really the connection is...."Well, Brian P., we've got to get some of this stock the hell out of our warehouse, so can you think of a way to gather all of these roughly similar items together in new and inventive ways and pass them off to the public as if it was a fabulous new boxset that we put a lot of effort into creating? OK, great! Let's do it!" Actually, given that they sell them for about $20 apiece, it's a good deal even if you've got one or two of them already (easily dumped on friends), and I've gotten several. I look at it as a way to buy a 'cut-out' without the packaging being compromised. Grakkl (FAA) Columbus, OH - Centre of the SpaceRock Universe (Tonight: Babylonian Tiles) Los Angeles, CA - Home of Cleopatra: Masters of Tributes and Compilations, but loathe to sign any modern SpaceRock artists, just punk and goth. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Fri Jun 2 14:26:04 2000 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:26:04 CDT Subject: OFF: Re: Zevon's lky In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Jun 2000 05:00:04 CDT." <200006010900.FAA20908@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: "Andrew A. Apold" quotes the infamous Marshall Wood: >>NP: _Life'll Kill Ya_ - Warren Zevon >Glad to see I'm not the only one stuck on this, it's Indeed. I like it a lot, and find it somewhat amusing that Borders Books excised track 9 from it when they put it on their listening stations. It's one of those laugh/cry tracks. ...and (before this) I couldn't recall the last time I heard "regicidal" used in a lyric, much less in an Elvis-context. m@ NP: WZ, "Life'll Kill Ya" (track 9) From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu Jun 1 05:52:00 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:52:00 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" Message-ID: Are you sure they were LP players? My father had a 7" player in his car in the 60's,but never heard of a LP player. They weren't a feast for the vinyl as every bump the needle jumped. Actually the only time it worked was when the car was standing still and there wasn't a trucker passing by at high speed. filip ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN M GRAY To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:53 AM Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" > They used to have LP players for cars in the late 50's/early 60's. How well > they worked I don't know but I remember seeing them. > Feeling way too old, > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K Henderson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" > > > > MWood chucked.... > > > > >On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: > > >>Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik > Turner > > >>LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! > > > > > >You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... > > > > Duh. Did I *hafta* say he made a cassette copy to play in car? :) > > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > > > P.S. Is Finnish TV selling videos (VHS-NTSC preferably) of the Nik/5:15 > > show that was just recently shown there? From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu Jun 1 05:36:58 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:36:58 +0200 Subject: HW: More cover versions Message-ID: Hello K, What's the label & cat.no. of that Lord Brain live disc? Or can you give me a contact adress? Thankx filip ----- Original Message ----- From: K Henderson To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: HW: More cover versions > Hi Folks... > > Just learned a little about two bands (Lord Brain and Lquid Visions) playing > at the North German Hawkfan Fest this year... > > http://www.zabozodiac.homesites.de/ > > A note to whoever is compiling the list of HW cover versions on tape/disc. > Lord Brain recorded versions of Sputnik Stan and Assassins of Allah on their > latest live disc. > > Anybody heard these bands before? Thoughts, comments? > > Grakkl (FAA) From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Jun 2 12:47:48 2000 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:47:48 +0200 Subject: OFFOFFOFF LP players for cars Message-ID: LP? surely you must mean single/EP players? anyway, always wondered how they played "that music" in the movie "Kelly's Heroes" - must've shaked like h**** oh, that one wes terribly Off.......sorry 'bout that ;-) ketil >They used to have LP players for cars in the late 50's/early 60's. >How well they worked I don't know but I remember seeing them. >Feeling way too old, John From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jun 2 14:48:59 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:48:59 -0400 Subject: Off: Help with list In-Reply-To: <3937E534.5037839B@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: Hi I need the command and the address to put my subscription "to sleep". I cant find the help email anywhere! TIA Mike From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 1 19:33:43 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:33:43 +0100 Subject: HW - Starfield, Spacehead, etc Message-ID: Thanks Keith - must have been tired from the drive last night, as I got things wrong a bit. First, Jerry wants the Krel report by tomorrow night and I've got no chance, so look out for that, on down the line , as the Roches once said. As regards Gong Est Mort, yes it turns out the one on Celluloid is out and that Voiceprint (yes, them yet again) here in the UK are importing copies rather than releasing it. The Spacehead CD is 'Escape Velocity Preview' NOT 'Earth Ritual Preview' - freudian slip!!!! Starfield is the brainchild of Captain Black (who played keys with the hawks at the Exeter leg of the last mini-tour), he's from that area of the UK (South west), it's done with Bedouin's new vocalist Danny Faulkner, is mostly instrumental, with samples, on his own label, is a CD-R but great production and it's very much in the vein of '70's Hawks but no mere copyist, although I did find myself humnming along the riff to 'Brainstorm' at one point. Composed rather than improvved, I've completely forgotten the title here and now (something like'Return To Earth' or similar, but there's a review on my web site in full at: http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/album.htm and so far some Hawkfans who've trusted me, bought it, and come back with an opinion, have all said that they can't stop playing it. I think they are sending AI a review copy but right now we seem to be swallowing them as fast as they can produce them. New release info from today is that, due in stock tomorrow, will be a brand new album, one of three released simultaneously, from a UK group called 46.000 Fibres, the whole album of which features Nik Turner, while the other two albums feature Lol Coxhill (ex-Caravan) and ambient sampler Scanner, respectively. Now THAT promises to be weird - can't wait to hear them. All for tonight, Andy G'b listening to the new Escapade album and being very surprised!!! From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jun 2 14:19:25 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:19:25 -0400 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: >Hello all, > >Just bought the Hawkwind Family Box on Cleopatra and the content is: >-HAWKWIND:Psychedelic Warlords . The Best Of >Anyway for my it's good as I already had "Trip To G9" but not "Solar Wind" >Also didn't have the Hawkwind CD yet.So 3 out of 4 isn't bad I think? Check out the t-shirt Brock is wearing on the inside cover of psychedelic warlord's booklet. "I can saw a woman in two... but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through" - "For my next trick..." by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 2 15:55:17 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:55:17 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box In-Reply-To: <200006021819.OAA08491@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > Check out the t-shirt Brock is wearing on the inside cover of > psychedelic warlord's booklet. Is it the BOC Mirrors shirt then? I remember him wearing one. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jun 2 16:10:44 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:10:44 -0500 Subject: OFF/HW: "Space-Rock" Message-ID: Track 7 side #2 ... maybe Monster Magnet-Negasonic Teenage Warhead (Dopes to Infinity CD) At 10:15 PM 06/01/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/30/00 7:58:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: >anyway, tape 3 > >Side I: > >1. F/i--Space Station (it's just too quintessential!) >2. Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Space Ritual, again--quintessential) >3. Dark Sun--title track of Feed Your Mind (great tune, Mikka, but the rest >of the album don't cut it for me!) >4.Vibrasonic--Perpetual Motion Machine (anyone else heard this? should please >someone who thought there was a dearth of '60s-Psyche sounding stuff) >5.Neu!--Fur Immer (Neu! 2) >6.Hawkwind--Cronoglide Skyway (Astounding Sounds...) >7.Krel--So Long/Star Fall (Ad Astra) >8.Ozrics--title track of Strangeitude > >side2: > >1.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) >2.Hawkwind--Magnu/Angels of Death (Anthology) >3.Escapade--Intoxicated by the Swirling Blue (Citrus Cloud Cover) >4.Agitation Free--Laila II (Last) >5.Nebula Trip--Causes of Riots (Birth) >6.Hawkwind--I/We Do It (14-minute Masters version) >7.as yet undecided! > >better? >Chuck > From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jun 2 16:14:49 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:14:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" In-Reply-To: <006601bfcbaf$4e1b71c0$8aa608d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: My friend Booker T had one in '68 before he got ripped to 'Nam. He said it tracked from the bottom, as in; it was built to operate upside down. Bama At 11:52 AM 06/01/2000 +0200, you wrote: >Are you sure they were LP players? >My father had a 7" player in his car in the 60's,but never heard of a LP >player. >They weren't a feast for the vinyl as every bump the needle jumped. >Actually the only time it worked was when the car was standing still and >there wasn't a trucker passing by at high speed. >filip > >----- Original Message ----- >From: JOHN M GRAY >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:53 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" > > >> They used to have LP players for cars in the late 50's/early 60's. How >well >> they worked I don't know but I remember seeing them. >> Feeling way too old, >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: K Henderson >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Rock" >> >> >> > MWood chucked.... >> > >> > >On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: >> > >>Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik >> Turner >> > >>LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! >> > > >> > >You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... >> > >> > Duh. Did I *hafta* say he made a cassette copy to play in car? :) >> > >> > Grakkl (FAA) >> > >> > P.S. Is Finnish TV selling videos (VHS-NTSC preferably) of the Nik/5:15 >> > show that was just recently shown there? > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 1 06:47:54 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:47:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: "Space Rock" In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Wed, 31 May 2000 12:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:20:11 K Henderson wrote: > >Just wanted to mention that I heard a little of the live Dark Sun/Nik > >Turner LP in Jerry Kranitz' car the other day, and it sounded great! > You played an LP IN HIS CAR!!??!! Must be a real smooth ride.... I understand that it's being made part of the Advanced Driving Test. FoFP From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 2 18:53:00 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:53:00 -0700 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:08:13 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >Filip wonders.... >>Just bought the Hawkwind Family Box on Cleopatra and the content is: >>-HAWKWIND:Psychedelic Warlords . The Best Of >>-NIK TURNER:Prophets Of Time >>-SPIRAL REALMS:Trip To G9 >>-SURPRISE CD:STEVE PEREGRINE TOOK:THE MISSING LINK TO TYRANNOSAURUS REX >> >>Can anyone tell what this got to do with Hawkwind? > >Nothing. Except maybe he played with T. Rex and they did gigs with Hawkwind >IIRC. Steve Took was in Tyranosaurus Rex with Marc Bolan; Hawkwind performed on the 'Marc' TV show in '77 (the mimed "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" w/out Dave). Steve Took was in Shagrat with Larry Wallis, who was later in the Pink Fairies (replacing Mick Wayne who had replaced Paul Rudolph), Motorhead (with Lemmy, duh!), and the latter-day Deviants (which also included Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell on their 'Screwed Up' EP). Steve Took was in the original (pre-band) Pink Fairies motorcycle/drinking club with Mick Farren (lyricist of "Lost Johnny" for Hawkwind) and Twink (occasional Hawkwind fill-in drummer, member of the Pink Fairies with Paul Rudolph, member of the Pretty Things with Dick Taylor who produced the first Hawkwind album, and PinkWind collaborator with Nik). Not the closest connection(s), but good enough for me. Of course the copy of 'Freq (revisited)' that came with my HW Family Box IS a much-closer connection :^). And, of course, Keith really hits the nail on the head when he adds: >But really the connection is...."Well, Brian P., we've got to get some of >this stock the hell out of our warehouse, so can you think of a way to >gather all of these roughly similar items together in new and inventive ways >and pass them off to the public as if it was a fabulous new boxset that we >put a lot of effort into creating? OK, great! Let's do it!" But still a great deal for me - I didn't have either the 'Freq' CD, Nik's 'Sphynx' CD (the Cleopatra one, of course), or the Spiral Realms CD. Didn't even have the HW 'Psychedelic Warlords' CD, but (no surprise) have all the songs on other CD's. >Los Angeles, CA - Home of Cleopatra: Masters of Tributes and Compilations, >but loathe to sign any modern SpaceRock artists, just punk and goth. Almost, but they pretty much only do reissues of those genres (and in the punk genre, mostly crappy 3rd-gen 80's UK stuff). Try more like bad techno ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 2 18:38:44 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:38:44 -0700 Subject: silver machine bass options Message-ID: On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:47:25 GMT, Steve P wrote: >On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:44:15 -0700, you sent through the ether: >> just don't expect a >>transcription of the keyboard solo from "Psi Power"!) > >Did you get the package I sent you? .. YES! Completely amazing! Thanks! Of the three Calvert/Krankschaft CD's I have (the other two being 'QE Hall' and the 'Action Man' boot), it's easily the best performance, and has sound quality to rival the former ... you'll probably be a bit disappointed in comparison with the copy of the latter that I sent you. Perhaps you can figure out the correct date from the second show on that CD (listed as spring '87, but it's obviously Steve'n'Fred). The early ICU live CD is real fine, too, although it's a bummer that Brainstorm fades out before the end (judging from the timing on the CD, I would guess that one side of someone's C90 ran out in the middle of the song). Not as remarkable as the Calvert one (sound quality sounds like a cassette recording, songs aren't *that* different from how they'd all appear on PassOut), but still a very cool thing to hear. >you`ve no idea how long it took >me to teach that solo to Mary.. ;) The "Psi Power" solo isn't too tough if even *I* can figure it out, especially since it just alternates between two chords ... ... and then corrected himself on Sat, 27 May 2000 08:51:41 GMT ... >That'll teach me to post before I wake up.. I of course mean the solo >from Damnation Alley.. ignore me, I`m sleeping. ... ah yes, a few more chords involved in that one. You guys didn't ever do "Psi Power" when backing up Bob, did you (I believe I counted a 21-song repertoire between the 3 CD's)? And, semi-relatedly, sorry for not being too active this week (great tapes, Chuck! Wish I'd had more time to think about 'em), but work's been busy and rehearsing until 1AM wednesday didn't help. BAY AREA HAWKFANS - said rehearsal was with a new side project called Ad Hawk - yep, a cover/tribute band. We're playing saturday night at the Port Lite in Oakland (a dive bar at the corner of Brush st. and 3rd st. near Jack London Square) with my punk-pop band Dogbreath as short-notice fill-in (hence the bad pun in the name) for the drummer's "real" band, the New Lows. I'll be playing keyboards/synths (sorry, didn't have time to get any songs w/violin together - maybe next time, IF there's a next time) and handling most of the lead vocals/recitations (I'll spoil part of the surprise and mention that we'll be opening with "Warriors on the Edge of Time", which ought to clue you in as to what the next two songs will be). The rest of the band (pretty much my "dream" lineup!) is: Grady Runyan (Liquorball, Sternklang, ex?-Monoshock) - guitar, vocals Marlon Kasberg (Liquorball, and quite a Lemmy-esque character in his own right) - bass, vocals Chris Guttmacher (New Lows, Sternklang, ex-Cul de Sac) - drums Can't believe that it took so long for me to actually do this ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jun 2 19:02:10 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:02:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hobbit namesake (was: Re: HW: Hawkwind Family Box) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >I suppose naming yourself after a hobbit was cool in the 60s. ;) >-- Andy And it will be again in a year and a half when The Fellowship of the Ring is released in theaters. :-) Maybe Leonard Nemoy can get together with Hawkwind to record "The Balad of Frodo Baggins." It couldn't be worse than Nemoy's ode to Bilbo way back when. Frodo lives, Brian PS: Is there a death metal band named Balrog? If not there should be.... ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 2 19:04:06 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:04:06 +0100 Subject: OFFOFFOFF LP players for cars In-Reply-To: <3937E534.5037839B@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Ketil Svendsen wrote: > LP? surely you must mean single/EP players? > anyway, always wondered how they played "that music" in the movie > "Kelly's Heroes" - must've shaked like h**** > oh, that one wes terribly Off.......sorry 'bout that ;-) But cool :-) "A Sherman can give you a very nice... edge... " There must be some way to link that. How about Clint Eastwood -> The Man With No Name -> Motorhead's `Sharpshooter' -> Lemmy -> Hawkwind :-) Anyone wanna try with BOC? Yours, Jon ObCD: Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jun 2 20:22:43 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:22:43 EDT Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: FWD from a buy on the space-rock NG. I get the impression that Brock is slowly winding up the operation.The last 4 or 5 years have been generally very quiet compared to the 80's when I first saw them or even compared to the early 90's.I know that he suffers from arthuritis (?!) and doesn't want to play guitar much anymore hence Jerry Richards and I'm sure,with a dwindling profile and the allure of a west country small holding,we'll hear less as time goes on.....shame,but we all get old...(lets hope the reunion shows happen though!) From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Jun 2 20:27:32 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:27:32 -0400 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: I have been wondering for years about Steve Took. What is the CD like? How did he die? Thanks Chris Doug Pearson wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:08:13 -0400, K Henderson wrote: > >Filip wonders.... > >>Just bought the Hawkwind Family Box on Cleopatra and the content is: > >>-HAWKWIND:Psychedelic Warlords . The Best Of > >>-NIK TURNER:Prophets Of Time > >>-SPIRAL REALMS:Trip To G9 > >>-SURPRISE CD:STEVE PEREGRINE TOOK:THE MISSING LINK TO TYRANNOSAURUS REX > >> > >>Can anyone tell what this got to do with Hawkwind? > > > >Nothing. Except maybe he played with T. Rex and they did gigs with Hawkwind > >IIRC. > > Steve Took was in Tyranosaurus Rex with Marc Bolan; Hawkwind performed on > the 'Marc' TV show in '77 (the mimed "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" w/out Dave). > > Steve Took was in Shagrat with Larry Wallis, who was later in the Pink > Fairies (replacing Mick Wayne who had replaced Paul Rudolph), Motorhead > (with Lemmy, duh!), and the latter-day Deviants (which also included Paul > Rudolph & Alan Powell on their 'Screwed Up' EP). > > Steve Took was in the original (pre-band) Pink Fairies motorcycle/drinking > club with Mick Farren (lyricist of "Lost Johnny" for Hawkwind) and Twink > (occasional Hawkwind fill-in drummer, member of the Pink Fairies with Paul > Rudolph, member of the Pretty Things with Dick Taylor who produced the > first Hawkwind album, and PinkWind collaborator with Nik). > > Not the closest connection(s), but good enough for me. Of course the copy > of 'Freq (revisited)' that came with my HW Family Box IS a much-closer > connection :^). > > And, of course, Keith really hits the nail on the head when he adds: > >But really the connection is...."Well, Brian P., we've got to get some of > >this stock the hell out of our warehouse, so can you think of a way to > >gather all of these roughly similar items together in new and inventive ways > >and pass them off to the public as if it was a fabulous new boxset that we > >put a lot of effort into creating? OK, great! Let's do it!" > > But still a great deal for me - I didn't have either the 'Freq' CD, Nik's > 'Sphynx' CD (the Cleopatra one, of course), or the Spiral Realms CD. > Didn't even have the HW 'Psychedelic Warlords' CD, but (no surprise) have > all the songs on other CD's. > > >Los Angeles, CA - Home of Cleopatra: Masters of Tributes and Compilations, > >but loathe to sign any modern SpaceRock artists, just punk and goth. > > Almost, but they pretty much only do reissues of those genres (and in the > punk genre, mostly crappy 3rd-gen 80's UK stuff). Try more like bad techno > ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Fri Jun 2 21:33:56 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:33:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Space Broadcast Message-ID: Attention: This Sunday, 6-4-00, at 9pm (or so), webcast live from the 7th street entry, Progwonk, Bubblemath, and Skye Klad. The show is at http://www.digitalclubnetwork.com You should see the bands listed in the 6-4-00 and 6-5-00 schedule. The stream is realplayer compatible. Users with high bandwith should see an excellent stream, 120kbps. This is the site that will be doing the 7-27 Hawkwind members webcast, you might want to tune in just to familiarize yourself with the process. dan From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jun 1 22:13:17 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:43:17 +0930 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) Message-ID: is it a term used in the old days when people would hide their money in their mouth to avoid having it stolen or even being taxed on it??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: Re: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) > In article <96.55f4d73.2661cd4a at aol.com>, Joe Loehr > writes > > >Penny gobbers? > > Can anyone shed any light on this particular phrase? > > penny gobbers? > -- > Jon > From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Jun 3 05:39:37 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:39:37 +0100 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: This week we've added a Levitation lyrics page at http://hawkwind.freeservers.com Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6= 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind= passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like the recent '80s Hawk-discussion was cool, though I still would >have expected more contribution...oh well...I guess there are a lot of folks >on the list who have just discussed the stuff to death already... but, as for >Space-Rock, is there a decent e-mail mailing-list for this more general topic? newsgroups: alt.music.spacerock and alt.music.psychedelic >---something's wrong here! There are parts I like...but very generic metal >riffs abound and the vox are too grungey. "Sailing the Sea Goat" was also a >disappointment. Organic Mind Solution is fantastic. any other SM releases >like this?? Cosmic Minds at Play maybe? haven't found it yet... I really like The Mind Of A Brother, it?s great. >Side I: > >1. F/i--Space Station (it's just too quintessential!) >2. Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Space Ritual, again--quintessential) >3. Dark Sun--title track of Feed Your Mind (great tune, Mikka, but the rest >of the album don't cut it for me!) >4.Vibrasonic--Perpetual Motion Machine (anyone else heard this? should please >someone who thought there was a dearth of '60s-Psyche sounding stuff) >5.Neu!--Fur Immer (Neu! 2) >6.Hawkwind--Cronoglide Skyway (Astounding Sounds...) >7.Krel--So Long/Star Fall (Ad Astra) >8.Ozrics--title track of Strangeitude > >side2: > >1.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) >2.Hawkwind--Magnu/Angels of Death (Anthology) >3.Escapade--Intoxicated by the Swirling Blue (Citrus Cloud Cover) >4.Agitation Free--Laila II (Last) >5.Nebula Trip--Causes of Riots (Birth) >6.Hawkwind--I/We Do It (14-minute Masters version) >7.as yet undecided! > >better? >Chuck > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Jun 3 10:26:12 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:26:12 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: At 07:04 PM 6/2/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >I suppose naming yourself after a hobbit was cool in the 60s. ;) Yes, but when you were in a band which released albums with titles like "My people were fair and had the wind in their hair, but now they're content to wear stars on their brows", it seems a rather conservative name! -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Jun 3 10:28:45 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:28:45 +1000 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box Message-ID: At 08:27 PM 6/2/00 -0400, Chris Raymond wrote: >I have been wondering for years about Steve Took. What is the CD like? How did he >die? Heroin overdose, if what I read about 10 years ago somewhere is right. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Jun 3 11:19:22 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:19:22 +0200 Subject: HW: US tour 1978 Message-ID: Hello Folks I am very confused with all the very different informations about dates and locations of the HAWKWIND 1978 US tour. Here are the dates I have collected so far (I hope in the right sequence) I am still not sure if the Belleville gig was in the State of NY or IL TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: Boston Paradise Club 04.03.1978 Sat Dover (NJ) Showplace 05.03.1978 Sun New York (1st gig) Bottom Line 06.03.1978 Mon New York (2nd gig) Bottom Line 06.03.1978 Mon New York (1st gig) Bottom Line 07.03.1978 Tue New York (2nd gig) Bottom Line 07.03.1978 Tue Milwaukee Electric Ballroom 10.03.1978 Fri Chicago Riviera Theater 12.03.1978 Sun Belleville (NY) Ricos Place 14.03.1978 Tue Roslyn (NY) My Fathers Place 16.03.1978 Thu Philadelphia Tower Theatre 17.03.1978 Fri Los Angeles Starwood Club 22.03.1978 Wed Los Angeles Starwood Club 23.03.1978 Thu Los Angeles Starwood Club 24.03.1978 Fri Los Angeles Starwood Club 25.03.1978 Sat San Francisco Old Waldorf 27.03.1978 Mon San Francisco Old Waldorf 27.03.1978 Mon San Francisco Old Waldorf 28.03.1978 Tue San Francisco Old Waldorf 28.03.1978 Tue Thanks very much for your help in advance Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jun 3 12:26:26 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:26:26 +0100 Subject: HW:Hawkwind Family Box In-Reply-To: <20000603142844.UHLT25077.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: > >I have been wondering for years about Steve Took. What is the > CD like? How > did he > >die? > > > Heroin overdose, if what I read about 10 years ago somewhere is right. According to Nick Talevski's Encyclopedia of Rock Obituaries: "After a night of ingesting morphine, he snacked on cherries and choked on a pip." -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sat Jun 3 21:16:06 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:16:06 -0700 Subject: HW: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts Message-ID: Does anyone have any recordings on any format esp. video of Dumpy Rusty Nuts? I have: Firkin well live. I'll buy or swap. Cheers Ben From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 3 13:12:50 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:12:50 PDT Subject: Hawkwind Discs Message-ID: Hey Now! I have some HW discs that I am ready to part w/. Anyone interested, please email me off list. Thanx! Darrin Anthology Vol II SAMR (CD) 039 Doremi Fasol Latido One Way Records Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1989 Virgin release Hawklords Live Griffin The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Griffin Quark, Strangeness And Charm (EP) EBCD110 (EBS) Love In Space (digipak) ESSBCD 120 Future Reconstructions - Ritual Of The Solstice(digipak) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sat Jun 3 21:25:43 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:25:43 -0700 Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: Cant say I disagree with that. Too much opposition both ex & internal. (seems to me). Those HW clips from 76/77 at Newcastle were phenomenal! For me the true HW is/was Calvert & Brock. Can anyone confirm the name of Bob Calvert's natural father? Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > FWD from a buy on the space-rock NG. > > I get the impression that Brock is slowly winding up the operation.The last > 4 or 5 years have been generally very quiet compared to the 80's when I > first saw them or even compared to the early 90's.I know that he suffers > from arthuritis (?!) and doesn't want to play guitar much anymore hence > Jerry Richards and I'm sure,with a dwindling profile and the allure of a > west country small holding,we'll hear less as time goes on.....shame,but we > all get old...(lets hope the reunion shows happen though!) From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sat Jun 3 21:28:40 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:28:40 -0700 Subject: HW: OFFOFFOFF LP players for cars Message-ID: I got this sort of discman that plays mp3s off cd-r it cost ?150 works perfectly. It's called Smart mp3 and plays 15 albums per cd at that quality. perfect for those trips. and very discreet. Jon Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Ketil Svendsen wrote: > > > LP? surely you must mean single/EP players? > > anyway, always wondered how they played "that music" in the movie > > "Kelly's Heroes" - must've shaked like h**** > > oh, that one wes terribly Off.......sorry 'bout that ;-) > > But cool :-) "A Sherman can give you a very nice... edge... " > > There must be some way to link that. How about Clint Eastwood -> > The Man With No Name -> Motorhead's `Sharpshooter' -> Lemmy -> Hawkwind > :-) Anyone wanna try with BOC? Yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age > -- > | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > | ======================================================================| > | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 3 13:30:00 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:30:00 PDT Subject: Quark Box Message-ID: I purchase the Quark Box a couple months ago, mainly for the book. The disc is still sealed. I already have the Virgin release from years ago. Does the Griffin release that came w/ the box sound any better? Is there any reason for me to open it, since I already have a copy? Thanx! Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sat Jun 3 21:42:37 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:42:37 -0700 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) Message-ID: [Message 041245 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Jun 3 14:43:27 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:43:27 -0400 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Albert Bouchard Interview Message-ID: http://www.50megs.com/msj/albcintr.html Very odd Q and A. Interview with Albert Bouchard Music Street Journal:Blue Oyster Cult always used to have a pretty strong progressive rock tilt to the music. Did that influence come from all the musicians or was it more the contribution of one or two members over the others? Albert Bouchard:We all dug King Crimson, Pink Floyd, and the Dead but Joe, Buck and I were into more hard bop, Coltrane etc. Allen was into blues and Eric was more into hard rock. Music Street Journal:There have always been some connections between BOC to Hawkwind (the collaborations with Michael Moorcock, etc.), and that has carried through to Brain Surgeons. Were you friends with that band, fans? How did that connection come about? Albert Bouchard:We played a few gigs with HW but they were typical reserved Englishmen except for Lemmy. We played a lot more gigs with Motorhead. tBS came to do the HW songs at the request of our fans who were fans of both groups. Music Street Journal:Is working with Dave Brock or any of the other Hawkwind members something you would like to do in the future? Albert Bouchard:The biggest problem with even considering that would be logistics. Great music often needs time to stew. It's hard to collaborate with musicians wholive in NYC much less merry Old E'. Music Street Journal:What was the whole story behind Imaginos? I remember reading somewhere that the disc was originally slated to be a solo album by you or Joe? Albert Bouchard:It was originally sold to the record company as a solo project with me and my famous friends. The whole story is a book yet to be written. Music Street Journal:In a lot of the old BOC songs there is a Susie mentioned. Who was Susie? Albert Bouchard:Sandy Pearlman's old girlfriend. Music Street Journal:How have the BOC fans reacted to Brain Surgeons? Albert Bouchard:95% of the 10% who've checked us out are a great supportive audience. We have yet to reach most BOC fans. Music Street Journal:What would you see as the similarities between BOC and Brain Surgeons? Albert Bouchard:Same drummer and a lot of the same songs. What do you think? Music Street Journal:What would you see as the differences? Albert Bouchard:Most of our stuff is funkier. We have more female vocals. I think tBS take more chances. Music Street Journal:How does it feel to have the band functioning as a three piece these days? Albert Bouchard:We've worked as a trio from the beginning when we were just a recording band. Practicing is easier; I'll let you know about playing live after the 14th. Music Street Journal:What can we expect when Brain Surgeons come out on tour again shortly? Albert Bouchard:It will sound different. Before we were a wall of sound, now the sounds are much more articulated. Music Street Journal:What`s been your biggest Spinal Tap moment? Albert Bouchard:Probably the time my drumstick got caught in my hair. Music Street Journal:What are you listening to these days? Albert Bouchard:Doris Troy, Johnny Staats, Bella Fleck, Adrian Legg, Cream, old Santana, old Al Green, Dead, Floyd, BOC, Beach Boys, Sad?, Beatles, Helen Wheels, Tribe Called Quest, Beasties, Mobb Deep. I like what I like but my favorites change over time. Email To MusicStJournal at aol.com ?2000, Music Street Journal From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Jun 3 14:47:47 2000 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:47:47 +0200 Subject: OFF/HW: "Spacerock" Message-ID: Here's the tracklist from a tape I made a friend which he considered good enough to make copies of to two other people. My intention was to pack as much psychedelic punch as possible and this is how it turned out, being mostly "space rock" anyway... I wanted it as varied as possible too so thats why it spans such a diverse range of artists. Comments? SIDE A: Pressurehed - I Predict Legendary Pink Dots - Citadel Orange Goblin - Star Shaped Cloud Blue Oyster Cult - The Great Sun Jester The Orb - S.A.L.T. Pressurehed - Wired For Sound Inner City Unit - Fallout Hawkwind - Alchemy SIDE B: Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come - Internal Messenger Amon D??l II - Archangel's Thunderbird Outskirts of Infinity - Tales Of Brave Ulyssees Korai ?rom - untitled track 4 from 1997 Legendary Pink Dots - The Saucers Are Coming Hawkwind - I Am The Reptoid/The Nazca Ship Of Fools - l=sd^2 Chr. ObCD: Helios Creed "Planet X" From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jun 3 15:11:58 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:11:58 +0100 Subject: OT: Space rock in London Message-ID: Just for all you people in sunny(?) London (UK, that is), Cathode Ray Mission is playing at Gossip's nightclub in Soho on Monday, 12th June. Although we've been billed as a cross between Blondie and Sigue Sigue Sputnik, with song titles like Ketamine Dream and Heaven's Gate, samples from Captain Lockheed and lyrics 'borrowed' from Moorcock's poems, who do you think we're more likely to sound like? Hope to see some of you from the list there... --- Kevin Perry Cathode Ray Mission: Twenty-first Century Lifetyle Gurus http://www.alien8.co.uk/ http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 3 16:12:12 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:12:12 PDT Subject: Quark Box Message-ID: The Quark Box is *NOT* for sale. I am just trying to find out if the sound quality is any better than the Virgin release. Thanx! Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 3 16:56:54 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:56:54 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: Dates are being finalized for the summer 2000 tour that I promised. So far we have: July 21 in Detroit July 22 in Chicago August 5 in Washington August 9 in Atlanta August 10 in Chattanooga August 12 in Charolette There's a bunch more shows that we're working on and we'll post the specifics soon. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Jun 3 22:56:03 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:56:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Top 10 Reasons Why One Did Not Attend Quarkstock Message-ID: Found on: http://www.quarkspace.com/quarksto.htm :) (reviews there too . . .) The whole fest was very well done. I'm really glad I went! Hope to see everyone there next year! - Karen Mike Sary of French TV created a top 10 list of reasons why one did not attend Quarkstock. Enjoy.... 1)Too distraught over collapse of Bruford/Fripp working relationship to leave house. 2)None of the bands spoke Italian or Hungarian. 3)The sooner Paul Williams goes bankrupt, the sooner he'll be forced to join Hawkwind. 4)Saving up to buy $89.99"Transatlantic Deluxe Boxed Set Edition "[Disc 1:Roine Stolt changing strings and tuning; Disc 2:Neal Morse going "Check 1,2,test,test..."for 72 minutes; Disc 3:Pete T. practicing 8th notes; Disc 4:Mike Portney's attempts to isolate squeaky bass pedal]. 5)Attacked by toy robot at previous BORN TO GO gig. 6)Bought David Lynch's "piece of shit" car recently. 7)Had frightening premonition of FRENCH TV's bass cabinet blowing up. 8)Showed up at wrong "Ruby Tuesday's" and ate chicken wings all night instead. 9)Couldn't afford industrial-strength sunscreen to cope with Solaris Light Show. 10)MORONI,MORONI,MORONI!!! -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 4 00:31:28 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:31:28 EDT Subject: HW: US tour 1978 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/3/00 11:21:07 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << I am still not sure if the Belleville gig was in the State of NY or IL >> ====== hi bernhard, it's Belleville, IL "<>" ps> that link you sent me didnt get me there... From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Jun 4 02:53:31 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:53:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Top 10 Reasons Why One Did Not Attend Quarkstock Message-ID: I have to add one: Wayyyy tooo far away to go-I'd have loved to be there, but couldn't afford plane fare and was unable to take the time off from work to go. I'd love to see some of these get further West. Pam Karen Kusic wrote: > Found on: > > http://www.quarkspace.com/quarksto.htm :) > (reviews there too . . .) > The whole fest was very well done. I'm really glad I went! Hope to see > everyone there next year! - Karen > > Mike Sary of French TV created a top 10 list of reasons why one did not > attend Quarkstock. Enjoy.... > > 1)Too distraught over collapse of Bruford/Fripp working relationship to > leave house. > > 2)None of the bands spoke Italian or Hungarian. > > 3)The sooner Paul Williams goes bankrupt, the sooner he'll be forced to > join Hawkwind. > > 4)Saving up to buy $89.99"Transatlantic Deluxe Boxed Set Edition "[Disc > 1:Roine Stolt changing strings and tuning; Disc 2:Neal Morse going > "Check 1,2,test,test..."for 72 minutes; Disc 3:Pete T. practicing 8th > notes; Disc 4:Mike Portney's attempts to isolate squeaky bass pedal]. > > 5)Attacked by toy robot at previous BORN TO GO gig. > > 6)Bought David Lynch's "piece of shit" car recently. > > 7)Had frightening premonition of FRENCH TV's bass cabinet blowing up. > > 8)Showed up at wrong "Ruby Tuesday's" and ate chicken wings all night > instead. > > 9)Couldn't afford industrial-strength sunscreen to cope with Solaris > Light Show. > > 10)MORONI,MORONI,MORONI!!! > > -- > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: >Chicago Riviera Theater 12.03.1978 Sun >Belleville (NY) Ricos Place 14.03.1978 Tue Chicago native, was at the Riviera show - There is a Belleville Illinois, but I'm fairly certain there was no Rico's Place club for the band to play at in '78. Anybody else out there with deep memories of the NY or IL scene in '78. That Riv show was memorable for a number of reasons. Early in the day a appearance of the some of the band at a local record store, my buddies and I hurrying over to this place to catch them and finding we're the only ones there to see the band. Only Robert Calvert, Simon House and Simon King in attendance - we're told that Dave is feeling ill, and that Nik isn't with the band anymore. At least I get my inner sleeve to Capt. Lockheed signed. The night of the show was freezing cold, raining, and there was a impatient and rowdy "heavy mental" crowd. A crowd surge pushed people through glass doors earning them a few bandages and comp'd admission, and then when they finally let us in the house has freaking festival seating. There was some awful non-psychedelic band (chiliwack?) that opened the shows and was booed into submission, and then when the Hawks took the stage they got a not much better reception by most of the audience. Calvert fronted the show. Robot and Reefer Madness were played - with Bob's delivery both tunes seemed to be plain indictments of the crowd... Perhaps we would have loved it more if we knew that Hawkwind would not return stateside again till '89. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 07:59:32 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:59:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hippy Daze Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind Family Box > At 07:04 PM 6/2/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > > >I suppose naming yourself after a hobbit was cool in the 60s. ;) > > Yes, but when you were in a band which released albums with titles like > "My people were fair and had the wind in their hair, but now they're content > to wear stars on their brows", it seems a rather conservative name! Thought it was "sky in their hair". I remember seeing that album when it first came out but was totally put off buying it after reading a critique of a show they had done only a few weeks before as being "waste of time, space and electricity". Always regretted not buying it though - mainly because I've no idea what it sounded like and I've been curious ever since. jill > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 07:55:38 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:55:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: What's this then? Video footage? Dave >Those HW clips from 76/77 at Newcastle were phenomenal! > From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 08:43:01 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:43:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Another bloody website Message-ID: As if all the other sites weren't enough here's another new one. Rock Wallpapers at http://rock-wallpapers.freeservers.comhttp://rock-wallpapers.free= =3D serve rs.com Does exactly what it says on the label:-) Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpapers.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Jun 4 08:54:29 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:54:29 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Discs Message-ID: Hello Darrin, Would be interested in "Astounding Sounds" and "The Chronicle Of The Black Sword". How much would you ask for it? greetings filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: Hawkwind Discs > Hey Now! > > I have some HW discs that I am ready to part w/. Anyone interested, please > email me off list. Thanx! Darrin > > Anthology Vol II SAMR (CD) 039 > Doremi Fasol Latido One Way Records > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1989 Virgin release > Hawklords Live Griffin > The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Griffin > Quark, Strangeness And Charm (EP) EBCD110 (EBS) > Love In Space (digipak) ESSBCD 120 > Future Reconstructions - Ritual Of The Solstice(digipak) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 08:56:53 2000 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:56:53 +0100 Subject: Rock Wallpaper Message-ID: As if all the other sites weren't enough here's another new one. Rock Wallpapers at http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.comhttp://rock-wallpaper.freese= =3D rvers .com Does exactly what it says on the label:-) Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 18:30:25 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:30:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: yes but with no sound what have you got to swap? david hall wrote: > What's this then? Video footage? > > Dave > >Those HW clips from 76/77 at Newcastle were phenomenal! > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 10:59:00 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:59:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: My guess would be these clips are something like super8 cine film. I think a few list members have these snippets. Any views on the original source? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock-er-itis?? > yes but with no sound > > what have you got to swap? > > david hall wrote: > > > What's this then? Video footage? > > > > Dave > > >Those HW clips from 76/77 at Newcastle were phenomenal! > > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 11:45:51 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:45:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Planet Earth Festival Message-ID: Hello! We were booked to play at this festival but unfortunately it was cancelled last week! Council problems etc. Is this a Hawkwind festival jinx or what???!!!! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: HW: Planet Earth Festival > Hi all, > > I just found this on www.planetgong.co.uk in their gigs-section: > > Planet Earth Festival > 1st/2nd/3rd September > UK, Somerset, Nr Cheddar > Gong have been approached to take part in a mega festival. Other artists > possibly include, Caravan, Hawkwind, Man, Groundhogs, Melanie, Magma. > > Sounds _very_ interesting IMHO. Let's hope it'll prove true. > > (C)IAO > > D+R > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > Hassan I Sabbah > www.d-rider.de > > -- > "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" > > Hassan I Sabbah > > www.d-rider.de > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Jun 4 11:47:11 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:47:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Fw: BAD NEWS Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Russell-Smith To: XXX Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: BAD NEWS Hi I'm sorry to inform you that I've no choice but to pull the festival this year due to the Council messing us about and the timescale now involved makes it impossible. I'm very sorry for any inconvenience caused - hopefully we can get things sorted to get this together for next year with time in hand. Thanks for your patience take care Darren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jun 5 00:05:36 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:05:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hi Folks... I stumbled across the brand new LPD release "A Perfect Mystery" today at the local shop (Used Kids)....and decided to pick it up. Wow! I've got perhaps six other LPD CDs from all eras of the group, early 80s to other recent stuff. With just one listen, I can say that this one is the very best I've heard. Lots of great stuff you couldn't possibly call anything else but space rock. Ka-Spel's weird voice is there as always, but he 'sings' almost all the way through it, rather than that dreary rambling poetic style he normally does quite often. Of course, the show in Columbus is the same day I was intending to drive to Pennsylvania for the Happy the Man et al. show at NEARfest. But I see that the LPD are in Cleveland Thursday night. This new stuff is cool enough that I just might take Friday off and head outta town early to catch that Cleveland show on the way east. Here are the other dates...I recommend seeing them, esp. this time assuming they play some of this new amazing stuff. And don't leave right away if they start out sucking...that's the way they were the first time I saw them in Cincy. 40 minutes of tedious schlock, until abruptly they switched into full space-rock/oscillator mode! Grakkl (FAA) 6/06 - Carborro, NC Cat's Cradle 6/07 - Charlotte, NC Tremont Music Hall 6/08 - Atlanta, GA Cotton Club 6/09 - Jacksonville, FL Jack Rabbits 6/10 - Orlando, FL Sapphire Supper Club 6/11 - St. Petersburg, FL The State Theatre 6/12 - New Orleans, LA Howlin' Wolf 6/14 - Cincinnati, OH Bogart's 6/15 - Cleveland, OH Peabody's Down Under 6/16 - Columbus, OH Little Brother's 6/17 - Pittsburgh, PA Club Laga 6/18 - Pontiac, MI 7th House 6/20 - Milwaukee, WI Rave Bar 6/21 - Minneapolis, MN First Avenue 6/22 - Chicago, IL Double Door 6/23 - St. Louis, MO Side Door 6/24 - Lawrence, KS The Bottleneck 6/26 - Austin, TX Stubb's Bar-B-Q 6/27 - Houston, TX Instant Karma 6/28 - Dallas, TX Curtain Club 6/30 - Denver, CO Bluebird Theatre 7/01 - Denver, CO Bluebird Theatre 7/03 - Salt Lake City, UT DV8 7/05 - Los Angeles, CA Roxy Theatre 7/06 - Santra Ana, CA Galaxy Theatre 7/08 - San Francisco, CA Slim's 7/10 - Portland, OR Barbati's Pan 7/11 - Seattle, WA The Showbox 7/12 - Vancouver, BC Richard's On Richards 7/13 - Friday Harbor, WA Egg Lake Saw Mill From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Jun 5 02:14:35 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:14:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Keith: Is this anywhere near as good as "Hallway of the Gods" ?? if so, I gotta find this one soon. !! I've also : "It's Raining in Heaven",Under Triple Moons" " Remember me this Way & Edward Ka-Spell's "Tanith and the Lion Tree" Remember me.. is *REALLY* weird & only clocks in at 29 or so minutes. It's nice for when I'm feeling really off the wall!! Tanith is downright strange, too:):) Just had to ask:):) Rock on! Pam K Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks... > > I stumbled across the brand new LPD release "A Perfect Mystery" today at the > local shop (Used Kids)....and decided to pick it up. Wow! I've got perhaps > six other LPD CDs from all eras of the group, early 80s to other recent > stuff. With just one listen, I can say that this one is the very best I've > heard. Lots of great stuff you couldn't possibly call anything else but > space rock. Ka-Spel's weird voice is there as always, but he 'sings' almost > all the way through it, rather than that dreary rambling poetic style he > normally does quite often. -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace This is justa progress report on the robert Calvert interview site 'Ramblings at Dawn'. Unfortunately I have suffered a sudden medical problem which has really thrown me for a six, and at the same time 3 of the family pets have died, or areon their last legs, creating an atmosphere of general morbidity and stress, and I'm also trying to meet a publisher's deadline for a book chapter, but excuses out of the way... The whole 90 minute monologue is now converted into the format I want, and I'm transferring it to the site. It's just a matter of me setting the page up now, which may take a little while longer. When it's up, you'll be able to hear, in Bob's own words, many things not included in the original 1982 radio show, including his thoughts on: . the subjectivity of coinicidence . collaboration with Marc Bolan . the post-Calvert HW . time, space and memory . what he thinks of Peter Hammill . whether he's sorry for sacking Nik, Alan and Paul . rock music as literature . his favourite music . and a special appearance by his dog, Charlie Give me some more time, and sorry for the slowness of the thing. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 5 05:11:19 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:11:19 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress addendum Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to add - the material will consist of 18 real audio files, with an average size of about 600 kb. The biggest is about 950 kb, the smallest about 350. Incidentally, the medical problem is a sudden, dramatic worsening of my tinnitus. I'm not mentioning this to fish for sympathy, but as a real warning. I've had over 20 years as a batchelor to pummel my ears, and it's caught up with me. I am having a very great deal of trouble coping with this. I'm just asking you, have more sense than I did. You don't want to be like me, and be stuck with you ears feeling like you've just walked outo f a Motorhead gig, for the rest of your life. There is no such thing as silence any more., In fact so called 'silence' is hellish nowadays. Just take a bit of care. Sorry to go offtopic with this. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Mon Jun 5 05:26:48 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:26:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Songs Without Words Message-ID: As we were trying to generate some discussion around these= parts=3D and a tape listing was posted, here's the listing for the latest CD=3D I've burned off for a buddy to try and get him to understand that=3D music does not always require lyrics. Jeff Aug - Whiplash Blues Ozric Tentacles - Abul Hagag Eric Dolphy - Feathers Adrian Wagner - Further And Further In Pseudo Sun - The Future Rears It's Ugly Head Billy Cobham - Sorcery Mark Hewins - Beside The Iron Wall Ted Nugent - Sunrize Soft Machine - All White Mahavishnu Orchestra - Miles Beyond Gong - Mandrake Le'Rue Delashay - Bagatelles Opus 33, No 16 Faith No More - Midnight Cowboy Stuart NP Dickey Betts Band - New York City '88 Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 5 06:03:34 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:03:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Songs Without Words Message-ID: What?! And you missed off 'Genesis' - Ambrose Slade?! Maybe you should just get him to listen to Mussorgski's 'Pictures at an Exhibition'... :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Zeitgeist To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: OFF: Songs Without Words > As we were trying to generate some discussion around these= > parts=3D > and > a tape listing was posted, here's the listing for the latest CD=3D > I've > burned off for a buddy to try and get him to understand that=3D > music > does not always require lyrics. > > Jeff Aug - Whiplash Blues > Ozric Tentacles - Abul Hagag > Eric Dolphy - Feathers > Adrian Wagner - Further And Further In > Pseudo Sun - The Future Rears It's Ugly Head > Billy Cobham - Sorcery > Mark Hewins - Beside The Iron Wall > Ted Nugent - Sunrize > Soft Machine - All White > Mahavishnu Orchestra - Miles Beyond > Gong - Mandrake > Le'Rue Delashay - Bagatelles Opus 33, No 16 > Faith No More - Midnight Cowboy > > Stuart > NP Dickey Betts Band - New York City '88 > Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= > EH6=3D > 8YL, UK > > "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D > passing by" > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine > http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing > http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site > http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers > http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 5 08:52:39 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:52:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: In a message dated 6/5/00 0:09:34 AM EST, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << I recommend seeing them, esp. this time assuming they play some of this new amazing stuff. >> I saw the Dots last Thurs. in NYC. They play most of the new album. If you like the CD you will love the show. This is the BEST Dot show I've seen in years!!!! If I had known in advance just how great this show was gonna be I'd be following them around all tour!!!!! DON'T MISS THIS ONE!!!!!! Bill From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 5 08:57:36 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:57:36 EDT Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: In a message dated 6/5/00 1:11:26 AM EST, cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM writes: << Is this anywhere near as good as "Hallway of the Gods >> BETTER Bill From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Jun 5 09:00:36 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:00:36 EDT Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Get there early and check out 'Dead Voices on the Air' ...very strange. Bill From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jun 5 11:51:07 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:51:07 +0800 Subject: Calvert Revenge CD Message-ID: Hi all I've noticed the Robert Calvert CD Revenge on a web site. Is it actually released yet? William From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Jun 5 13:23:51 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:23:51 EDT Subject: Calvert Revenge CD Message-ID: It's out. I don't have it yet. but it's for sale. Apparently it's from that (3 or 4 track) cassette release bob In a message dated 6/5/00 8:52:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > Hi all > > I've noticed the Robert Calvert CD Revenge on a web site. Is it actually > released yet? > > William > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Mon Jun 5 20:04:03 2000 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:04:03 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Discs Message-ID: Do you still have the Love in Space CD? If so I am interested. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:12 Subject: Hawkwind Discs > Hey Now! > > I have some HW discs that I am ready to part w/. Anyone interested, please > email me off list. Thanx! Darrin > > Anthology Vol II SAMR (CD) 039 > Doremi Fasol Latido One Way Records > Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1989 Virgin release > Hawklords Live Griffin > The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Griffin > Quark, Strangeness And Charm (EP) EBCD110 (EBS) > Love In Space (digipak) ESSBCD 120 > Future Reconstructions - Ritual Of The Solstice(digipak) > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jun 5 19:24:26 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:24:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Uz Jsme Doma Message-ID: Hi Folks... Nope....no typos. :) Anybody know who these guys are? They're on tour here in the US now, and are being discussed on the krautrock group. Apparently, they have some krautrock influences, but I gather they are a weird Czech avant-garde mishmash of punk, ska, and krautrock (?). Well, Bernie's is only a mile from here...probably worth the trip just to learn for myself. Grakkl (FAA) 6-06 Albuquerque, NM Launchpad, 618 Central, S.W. Ph: 505-764-2877 6-07 Tucson, AZ Solar Cultural Gallery, 31 E. Toole Ave. Ph: 520-884-0874 6-08 San Diego, CA Casbah, 2501 Kettner Blvd. Ph: 619-232-4355 6-09 Los Angeles, CA Spaceland, 1717 Silverlake Ph: 213-833-2843 6-10 San Francisco, CA Bottom Of The Hill, 1233 17th St. Ph: 415-626-4455 6-12 Eugene, OR WOW Hall, 291 W. 8th Ave. Ph: 541-687-2746 6-13 Portland, OR Satyricon, 125 NW 6th St. Ph: 503-243-2380 6-14 Seattle, WA Crocodile Cafe, 220 2nd Ave. Ph: 206-448-2114 6-15 Vancouver, BC The Brickyard, 315 Carroll St. Ph: 604-685-3978 6-16 Calgary, AB Night Gallery, 1209B 1st St. Ph: 403-264-4484 6-17 Edmonton, AB Ground Zero, 15231 87th Ave. Ph: 780-486-5650 6-18 Saskatoon, SK Lydia's, 650 Broadway Ave. Ph: 306-652-8595 6-19 Winnipeg, MB Royal Albert, 48 Albert St. Ph: 204-493-8750 6-21 Minneapolis, MN 7th St. Entry, 701 First Ave. N. Ph: 612-338-8388 6-22 Iowa City, IA Gabe's Oasis, 330 E. Washington Ph: 319-354-4788 6-23 Milwaukee, WI Cactus Club, 2946 S. Wentworth Ph: 773-525-2508 6-24 Chicago, IL Schuba's, 3159 N. Southport Ave. Ph: 773-525-2508 6-25 Bloomington, IN Buskirk-Chumley Theater, 114 E. Kirkwood Ph: 812-323-3020 6-26 Columbus, OH Bernie's, 1896 N. High St. Ph: 614-279-2016 6-27 Pittsburgh, PA Millvale Industrial Theater, Rte. 28 Ph: 412-321-6477 6-28 Toronto, ON El Mocambo, 464 Spadina Ave. Ph: 416-969-2001 6-29 Montreal, PQ Jailhouse Rock, 30 Mt. Royal St. W. Ph: 514-844-9696 6-30 Washington, DC Black Cat, 1831 14th St., N.W. Ph: 202-667-4490 7-1 Cambridge, MA Middle East, 472 Massachusetts Ave. Ph: 617-354-8238 From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 5 20:27:36 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:27:36 PDT Subject: Hawkwind Discs Message-ID: I have some HW discs that I am ready to part w/. Anyone interested, please email me off list. Thanx! Darrin Anthology Vol II SAMR (CD) 039 Doremi Fasol Latido One Way Records Hawklords Live Griffin The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Griffin Quark, Strangeness And Charm (EP) EBCD110 (EBS) Future Reconstructions - Ritual Of The Solstice(digipak) These 2 releases are spoken for (gone): Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1989 Virgin release Love In Space (digipak) ESSBCD 120 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 5 20:36:16 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:36:16 -0700 Subject: OFF: Uz Jsme Doma Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:24:26 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >Hi Folks... > >Nope....no typos. :) > >Anybody know who these guys are? Nope. >6-10 San Francisco, CA Bottom Of The Hill, 1233 17th St. Ph: 415-626-4455 I just checked and found out that this show is with Farflung (so the Spaceland one probably is, too - heads up Chuck & Dan), so 90% likely that I'll be there. (also with Zmrzlina, who Primordial Undermind played with once or twice) As always, thanks for the notification, Keith! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jun 5 21:06:17 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:06:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Uz Jsme Doma Message-ID: Found a website and reviews: Official site: http://www.noise.cz/ujd/ AMG All Music Guide http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B215351 http://www.hear.com/hollow/feature/uz.html http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsU/uz_jsme_doma.html http://dropd.com/issue/82/UzJsmeDoma/ K Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > Nope....no typos. :) > > Anybody know who these guys are? They're on tour here in the US now, and > are being discussed on the krautrock group. Apparently, they have some > krautrock influences, but I gather they are a weird Czech avant-garde > mishmash of punk, ska, and krautrock (?). > > Well, Bernie's is only a mile from here...probably worth the trip just to > learn for myself. > > Grakkl (FAA) > > 6-06 Albuquerque, NM Launchpad, 618 Central, S.W. Ph: 505-764-2877 > 6-07 Tucson, AZ Solar Cultural Gallery, 31 E. Toole Ave. Ph: 520-884-0874 > 6-08 San Diego, CA Casbah, 2501 Kettner Blvd. Ph: 619-232-4355 > 6-09 Los Angeles, CA Spaceland, 1717 Silverlake Ph: 213-833-2843 > 6-10 San Francisco, CA Bottom Of The Hill, 1233 17th St. Ph: 415-626-4455 > 6-12 Eugene, OR WOW Hall, 291 W. 8th Ave. Ph: 541-687-2746 > 6-13 Portland, OR Satyricon, 125 NW 6th St. Ph: 503-243-2380 > 6-14 Seattle, WA Crocodile Cafe, 220 2nd Ave. Ph: 206-448-2114 > 6-15 Vancouver, BC The Brickyard, 315 Carroll St. Ph: 604-685-3978 > 6-16 Calgary, AB Night Gallery, 1209B 1st St. Ph: 403-264-4484 > 6-17 Edmonton, AB Ground Zero, 15231 87th Ave. Ph: 780-486-5650 > 6-18 Saskatoon, SK Lydia's, 650 Broadway Ave. Ph: 306-652-8595 > 6-19 Winnipeg, MB Royal Albert, 48 Albert St. Ph: 204-493-8750 > 6-21 Minneapolis, MN 7th St. Entry, 701 First Ave. N. Ph: 612-338-8388 > 6-22 Iowa City, IA Gabe's Oasis, 330 E. Washington Ph: 319-354-4788 > 6-23 Milwaukee, WI Cactus Club, 2946 S. Wentworth Ph: 773-525-2508 > 6-24 Chicago, IL Schuba's, 3159 N. Southport Ave. Ph: 773-525-2508 > 6-25 Bloomington, IN Buskirk-Chumley Theater, 114 E. Kirkwood Ph: > 812-323-3020 > 6-26 Columbus, OH Bernie's, 1896 N. High St. Ph: 614-279-2016 > 6-27 Pittsburgh, PA Millvale Industrial Theater, Rte. 28 Ph: 412-321-6477 > 6-28 Toronto, ON El Mocambo, 464 Spadina Ave. Ph: 416-969-2001 > 6-29 Montreal, PQ Jailhouse Rock, 30 Mt. Royal St. W. Ph: 514-844-9696 > 6-30 Washington, DC Black Cat, 1831 14th St., N.W. Ph: 202-667-4490 > 7-1 Cambridge, MA Middle East, 472 Massachusetts Ave. Ph: 617-354-8238 -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 6 02:18:37 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 02:18:37 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 6/3/00 (w/SPEC. ANCMNT!) Message-ID: SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: SDNC will be airing from 3-7pm PST this Sat!!! 6/3/00 1.Cosmic Jokers--Im Reich der Magier (Sci-fi Party) 2.Children of Dub--Spook (Ambient Meditations Vol. 1) 3.Knights of the Occassional Table--Morgan's Orchard (Les Elephants du Paradis) 4.Hawkwind--The Right Stuff (The Business Trip) 5.Farflung--title track (The Belief Module) 6.Ohm--In a Desert-Alambic/Clash of the Titans (Voices; thanks to Doug Furgeson) 7.Helios Creed--The Master (Cosmic Assault) 8.Melting Euphoria--Into the Liquid Mirror (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 9.Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company--Ceres Motion (MMPMC) 10.Cookin' w/Kurt--Soup of the Day (Cookin' w/Kurt; thanks to Innerspace) 11.Nik Turner--Thoth/King/God Rock-Slo Blo (Space Ritual 1994 Live) 12.Mythos--Terra Incognita (Strange Guys) 13.The Brain--Light Years (Access and Amplify) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Tue Jun 6 11:10:11 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Uz Jsme Doma Message-ID: At first I thought I was losing my mind...however... Uz Jsme Doma 6-21 Minneapolis, MN 7th St. Entry, 701 First Ave. N. Ph: 612-338-8388 Legendary Pink Dots 6/21 - Minneapolis, MN First Avenue These two bars are in the same building! Now what the hell am I going to do? ToddH -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:36 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Uz Jsme Doma On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:24:26 -0400, K Henderson wrote: >Hi Folks... > >Nope....no typos. :) > >Anybody know who these guys are? Nope. >6-10 San Francisco, CA Bottom Of The Hill, 1233 17th St. Ph: 415-626-4455 I just checked and found out that this show is with Farflung (so the Spaceland one probably is, too - heads up Chuck & Dan), so 90% likely that I'll be there. (also with Zmrzlina, who Primordial Undermind played with once or twice) As always, thanks for the notification, Keith! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 6 20:36:54 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:36:54 -0700 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) Message-ID: [Message 041282 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 6 20:45:14 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:45:14 -0700 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress addendum Message-ID: [Message 041283 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 6 20:47:20 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:47:20 -0700 Subject: HW: RE: Tinnitus Message-ID: [Message 041284 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Wed Jun 7 01:36:36 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:36:36 -0700 Subject: OFF: HW: Laugh at this! Message-ID: [Message 041285 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Jun 6 18:07:47 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:07:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: HW: Laugh at this! Message-ID: Oxymoron = "prestigious non-accredited universities" linuxchaos wrote: > UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS > > Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, > and the admiration of all. > > Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited > universities based on your present knowledge > and life experience. > > No required tests, classes, books, or interviews. > > Bachelors, masters, MBA, and doctorate (PhD) > diplomas available in the field of your choice. > > No one is turned down. > > Confidentiality assured. > > CALL NOW to receive your diploma > within days!!! > > 1 - 3 0 5 - 4 6 8 - 6 3 8 8 > > Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including > Sundays and holidays. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jun 6 21:16:00 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations update Message-ID: Hi Folks... First announcement of the 'new online venture' of AI...... The June issue of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration is now online after having published 9 printed mags from January 1998 to January 2000. Aural Innovations covers spacerock, psychedelia, and related electronic music. This is our first issue since going web-based. The new issue includes: DarXtar interview Part II (with S?ren Bengtsson) Eat Static interview Artemiy Artemiev / Electroshock Records review and interview Djam Karet overview Review of new VDO Studios releases on Tekito Records Space Fiction and Poetry Plus loads of reviews!!! In the next couple weeks we will be debuting Aural Innovations spacerock radio in streaming RealAudio. Stay tuned for the best freaky music on the planet! Aural Innovations also has a small but growing CD mail order catalog. Our stock includes releases by Ohm, Zzaj Productions, The MoonDance Experiment, Mr Quimby's Beard, The Rabbit's Hat, Krom Lek, Music From The Future, Spacehead, Krel, Heru Avenger, Alien Planetscapes, Spaceship Eyes, Quarkspace, the Turn Century Turn Spacerock/Psychedelia compilation, plus numerous releases from the Garden of Delights reissue label. All this can be found by setting your vessel's controls for http://Aural-Innovations.com Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at aural-innovations.com) Aural Innovations SpaceRock e-zin http://Aural-Innovations.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jun 6 23:34:43 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:34:43 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: Here's the dates of most of the shows we're doing this summer: > Friday June 23 Manitoba's, 99 Ave, B, NYC > Tuesday July 18 Buffalo NY > Thursday July 20 Bowling Green OH > Friday July 21 Detroit MI > Saturday July 22 Chicago IL > Sunday July 23 Kalamazoo MI > Saturday Aug 5 West Springfield VA > Sunday Aug 6 Richmond VA > Wednesday Aug 9 Atlanta GA > Thursday Aug 10 Chattanooga TN > Friday Aug 11 Nashville TN > Saturday Aug 12 Charolette NC . From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Jun 7 00:14:48 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:14:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: No Dieter? Message-ID: This is a major bummer . . . I was really looking forward to this movie! http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000606/n06334525.html Austin Powers creator Mike Myers sued by Universal Universal, a division of beverage and entertainment giant Seagram Co. Ltd.(NYSE:VO - news)(Toronto:VO.TO - news), sued the Canadian-born comic on Tuesday, saying he had walked away from a legal commitment to make the film ``Dieter,'' based on a German avant-garde talk show character he created for TV show ``Saturday Night Live.'' -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 7 08:59:06 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:59:06 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: Thanks for keeping us up to date Albert - I'll get these on my website this week. By the way, will this be you, Deb, and David on tour? Any other guests planned? John > > Albert Bouchard wrote: > > Here's the dates of most of the shows we're doing this summer: > > > Friday June 23 Manitoba's, 99 Ave, B, NYC > > Tuesday July 18 Buffalo NY > > Thursday July 20 Bowling Green OH > > > Friday July 21 Detroit MI > > > Saturday July 22 Chicago IL > > > Sunday July 23 Kalamazoo MI > > Saturday Aug 5 West Springfield VA > > Sunday Aug 6 Richmond VA > > Wednesday Aug 9 Atlanta GA > > Thursday Aug 10 Chattanooga TN > > Friday Aug 11 Nashville TN > > Saturday Aug 12 Charolette NC From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Wed Jun 7 12:32:44 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:32:44 +0100 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal Message-ID: >>From an interview with Peter Ainsworth, the Shadow Secretary= of=3D State for Culture; While he was a student he was in a band, Masters Of The= Universe.=3D "The music was loosely based on Hawkwind and, if anyone had= been=3D able to play, we would have been accused of plagiarism. = Fortunately,=3D nobody was good enough so it was unrecognisable." Stuart NP Allman Brothers Band - Southern Revenge Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:46:07 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:46:07 -0400 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal Message-ID: Stuart notes... >>From an interview with Peter Ainsworth, the Shadow Secretary of State for >Culture; While he was a student he was in a band, Masters Of The Universe. > >"The music was loosely based on Hawkwind and, if anyone had been able >to play, we would have been accused of plagiarism. Fortunately, nobody was good >enough so it was unrecognisable." For those of us on this side of the pond, what exactly is a "Shadow Secretary of State for Culture." Is that something like Frank Zappa's position in the Czech gov't? Grakkl (FAA) From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Jun 7 12:57:37 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:57:37 +0200 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: Hi all, in the last weeks I acquired some nice HW-items. Now I'm interested if these things are worth something or if these are "just" nice-to-have items. - "Hawkwind Limited Edition Picture Disc" of their debut-LP (1984) - "Space Ritual" original pressing but with interchanged sides (disc 1 -> sides 1 and 4, disc 2 -> 2 and 3) - "This is Hawkwind, do not panic" book by Kris Tait, signed by the Chronicles line-up thanks (C)IAO D+R ObCD: Magma, "Theusz Hamtaahk" -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 7 13:00:20 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:00:20 +1000 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal Message-ID: This makes a change. Someone who claims to be too inept to play Hawkwind. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 7 13:02:21 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:02:21 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress Message-ID: Things are going well and I hope to have it up by the weekend* Thanks Ben for the photocopies offer, but the tinnitus society sent me a shitload of stuff today, so I've probably got plenty of reading matter on the subject. Appreciate the offer though. Tim *considering I came off prozac 10 days ago you may read into that whatever you like. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 7 13:04:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:04:49 +1000 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: At 06:57 PM 6/7/00 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >Hi all, > >in the last weeks I acquired some nice HW-items. Now I'm interested if >these things are worth something or if these are "just" nice-to-have items. > >- "Hawkwind Limited Edition Picture Disc" of their debut-LP (1984) I used to have this but sold it when broke. I don't think it's especially valuable, but certainly collectable. My guess would be around $25-30 US? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 7 13:13:47 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:13:47 +0100 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > For those of us on this side of the pond, what exactly is a "Shadow > Secretary of State for Culture." Is that something like Frank Zappa's > position in the Czech gov't? The Secretary of State for Culture and The Arts is the guy in the Cabinet responsible for overseeing all the taxpayer money that's wasted on stuff like the Millenium Dome, opera, museums and stuff like that, or if you prefer, for ensuring that those who frequent these places don't pay the full whack for tickets in the way that ordinary Hawkwind fans do. The Shadow Secretary of State for Culture and The Arts is the guy in the other party whose job it is to keep an eye on what the Proper Secretary does; criticise him as much as possible; say "Boo hiss!" at the appropriate Parliamentary moments and pretend that if only his party were elected and he became the Proper Minister, that the Dome would run at a profit; that football fans would start attending ballet theatre and would become famed for their diplomatic skills abroad; that censorship could be safely abolished and that there'd still be no swearing or nudity in films and that the renaissance in Gamelan in Britain would become a national export to rival the pop industry. This is always implied in tones like those reassuring us that the problems of porcine damage to jetliner engines would soon be a thing of the past. In fact you can tell when an opposition party is about to be elected because they begun denying that they promised any such thing and especially that if they had said any such thing that they definitely wouldn't have said that they'd spend any taxpayers money in order to bring it about. Hope this helps. > Grakkl (FAA) FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Jun 7 13:24:29 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:24:29 -0400 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal Message-ID: Questions from the clueless Millenium Dome? Gamelan? Porcine Damage to Jets? (Flying Pigs?) > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes [SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:14 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: In Tory Party scandal > > K Henderson writes: > > > For those of us on this side of the pond, what exactly is a "Shadow > > Secretary of State for Culture." Is that something like Frank Zappa's > > position in the Czech gov't? > > The Secretary of State for Culture and The Arts is the guy in the > Cabinet responsible for overseeing all the taxpayer money that's wasted > on stuff like the Millenium Dome, opera, museums and stuff like that, or > if you prefer, for ensuring that those who frequent these places don't > pay the full whack for tickets in the way that ordinary Hawkwind fans > do. > > The Shadow Secretary of State for Culture and The Arts is the guy in the > other party whose job it is to keep an eye on what the Proper Secretary > does; criticise him as much as possible; say "Boo hiss!" at the > appropriate Parliamentary moments and pretend that if only his party > were elected and he became the Proper Minister, that the Dome would run > at a profit; that football fans would start attending ballet theatre and > would become famed for their diplomatic skills abroad; that censorship > could be safely abolished and that there'd still be no swearing or > nudity in films and that the renaissance in Gamelan in Britain would > become a national export to rival the pop industry. This is always > implied in tones like those reassuring us that the problems of porcine > damage to jetliner engines would soon be a thing of the past. > > In fact you can tell when an opposition party is about to be elected > because they begun denying that they promised any such thing and > especially that if they had said any such thing that they definitely > wouldn't have said that they'd spend any taxpayers money in order to > bring it about. > > Hope this helps. > > > Grakkl (FAA) > > FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jun 7 14:03:26 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:03:26 -0400 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > - "Space Ritual" original pressing but with interchanged sides (disc 1 -> > sides 1 and 4, disc 2 -> 2 and 3) I came into possession of a copy of _Electric Ladyland_ by the Jimi Hendrix Experience that was pressed this way. I thought, "hey, a mispressing!" until a friend reminded me, "no---that's so you can stack it and play it." Indeed, I was enlightened, because I remembered ye olde home cheapo turntables that had an extra long spindle upon which discs could be stacked. Each time the tonearm reached the end of a disc and auto-returned, it would let the next one drop and start over to play it. (Yes, I know, fully automatic turntables, very non-hi-fi!) Anyway, in such a turntable, a 2LP set pressed in such a fashion enables you to stack the two LPs so that it will play sides 1 & 2 in order, then you can flip the whole stack over to play sides 3 & 4 in order. I wonder if that is how double LPs were commonly pressed in the early 70s, and whether it was only with reissues that we got the more "hi-fi" centric pressings with which we are familiar today? Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 7 14:11:08 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:11:08 EDT Subject: HW: value of some items In-Reply-To: <393E8E6E.85678F82@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: On 7 Jun 00, at 14:03, Paul Mather wrote: > I wonder if that is how double LPs were commonly pressed in the early > 70s, and whether it was only with reissues that we got the more > "hi-fi" centric pressings with which we are familiar today? > I've got a couple of vinyl copies of Allman Brothers Band at Fillmore East, and I'll check. I'm pretty sure the set was configured as you have detailed. I know Cream's Wheels of Fire was not, which was unfortunate, as the live sides would have worked well in the manner you described... theo From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Wed Jun 7 14:15:11 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:15:11 -0500 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: I don't know about the more modern hi-fi pressings, but in my collection of LPs (about 1000) the 1-4, 2-3 pressing is 95% of all my double sets. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather [mailto:paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:03 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: value of some items Denis Regenbrecht wrote: > - "Space Ritual" original pressing but with interchanged sides (disc 1 -> > sides 1 and 4, disc 2 -> 2 and 3) I came into possession of a copy of _Electric Ladyland_ by the Jimi Hendrix Experience that was pressed this way. I thought, "hey, a mispressing!" until a friend reminded me, "no---that's so you can stack it and play it." Indeed, I was enlightened, because I remembered ye olde home cheapo turntables that had an extra long spindle upon which discs could be stacked. Each time the tonearm reached the end of a disc and auto-returned, it would let the next one drop and start over to play it. (Yes, I know, fully automatic turntables, very non-hi-fi!) Anyway, in such a turntable, a 2LP set pressed in such a fashion enables you to stack the two LPs so that it will play sides 1 & 2 in order, then you can flip the whole stack over to play sides 3 & 4 in order. I wonder if that is how double LPs were commonly pressed in the early 70s, and whether it was only with reissues that we got the more "hi-fi" centric pressings with which we are familiar today? Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Jun 7 15:07:15 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:07:15 EDT Subject: HW: Calvert site progress Message-ID: In a message dated 6/7/00 1:02:46 PM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << *considering I came off prozac 10 days ago you may read into that whatever you like. >> === you weaned yourself off, right? didn't abruptly stop. one can really hurt oneself by abruptly stopping., that goes for them thar psych drugs in general. "<>" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 7 16:17:03 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:17:03 +0100 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A31C@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > Millenium Dome? If you've seen THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, it's the tent-like building in the opening sequence. Otherwise, oh, just put "Millennium Dome" in a search engine... > Gamelan? Javan indigenous music > Porcine Damage to Jets? (Flying Pigs?) I think that was a joke of Mike's. ;) -- Andy ObMP3: Calexico - "Ballad of Cable Hogue" French version (legit, at www.cityslang.com) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 7 16:11:11 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:11:11 +0100 Subject: HW: In Tory Party scandal In-Reply-To: <200006071713.SAA00346@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:13 07/06/00, M Holmes wrote: >The Secretary of State for Culture and The Arts is the guy in the >Cabinet responsible for overseeing all the taxpayer money that's wasted >on stuff like the Millenium Dome, opera, museums and stuff like that, or >if you prefer, for ensuring that those who frequent these places don't >pay the full whack for tickets in the way that ordinary Hawkwind fans do. Although the local council library does have a few Hawkwind CDs among its small audio collection... ;-) Dave. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jun 7 16:57:42 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:57:42 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: "John A. Swartz" wrote: > Thanks for keeping us up to date Albert - I'll get these on my website > this week. > > By the way, will this be you, Deb, and David on tour? Any other guests planned? > Billy may join us on the NYC date and we may have other guests on some of the others but it will be mainly the three of us for most of it. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 7 16:25:23 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:25:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress addendum Message-ID: From: "Tim Gadd" > Incidentally, the medical problem is a sudden, dramatic worsening of my > tinnitus. I'm not mentioning this to fish for sympathy, but as a real > warning. I've had over 20 years....... This is a serious thing - out of concern for the health of my ears I get them looked at by a doctor every couple of years as it's easy to let things go to the dogs where yuor ears are concerned. Recently what I thought was tinnitus proved to be a wax build-up (the sign of a healthy ear believe it or not) but I confess that it was not pleasant, and this comes from a guy who uses headphones to review CD's every day. I find it's a question of balance in the sense that if you do experience anything loud, you really do have to let your ears adjust to normal before doing it again, but it's true that, for many people, constsnt exposure to overly loud stuff will have adetrimental effect - Tim, you have my sympathies and I wish you some sign of improvement. Andy G'b.. From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 7 18:06:01 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:06:01 +0100 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Regenbrecht To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: HW: value of some items > Hi all, > > in the last weeks I acquired some nice HW-items. Now I'm interested if > these things are worth something or if these are "just" nice-to-have items. > > - "Hawkwind Limited Edition Picture Disc" of their debut-LP (1984) Very nice to have. A Kollector who doesn't have it would probably pay a reasonably good price to secure a copy (around 20 UK pounds perhaps? - more or less) > - "This is Hawkwind, do not panic" book by Kris Tait, signed by the > Chronicles line-up A rarity!! The book alone is invaluable - the autographs will help its price but Kris's history is unique - almost all others are based on hers and (as yet) there has been neither a successor nor a sequel - although I'm sure one was supposed to be due by now! jill From makmorn at QIS.NET Wed Jun 7 18:23:05 2000 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:23:05 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <393DC2D4.E2D02D5E@mindspring.com>; from ir004728@MINDSPRING.COM on Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 11:34:43PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 11:34:43PM -0400, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > Here's the dates of most of the shows we're doing this summer: > > Saturday Aug 5 West Springfield VA > > Sunday Aug 6 Richmond VA Woo hooo! Which clubs are these Virginia dates? > > Wednesday Aug 9 Atlanta GA Atlaaanta Geooorgia! Are you ready to Rock and Roll? -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net We are in the hands of infinite power and infinite sadism. -- _Inferno_ From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Jun 7 18:28:30 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:28:30 +0200 Subject: HW: "Do not panic" book (was: HW: value of some items) In-Reply-To: <006c01bfd0cc$91c86b40$4653883e@jds> Message-ID: Hi, >A rarity!! The book alone is invaluable - the autographs will help >its price but Kris's history is unique - almost all others are based on >hers and (as yet) there has been neither a successor nor a sequel - >although I'm sure one was supposed to be due by now! You're right, the book's a real gem and I would never sell it. It's a fascinating read and the press-clippings (the Bainbrigde-Ripper clipping is the best of all ) are very interesting for someone like me, who wasn't even born then. One point of criticism I have nevertheless: Bob Calvert is depicted a little bit too negative IMHO. A sequel by Kris would be very welcome, but perhaps Adrian Parr's new book, once published, can fill this gap. (C)IAO D+R From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 7 20:37:17 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:37:17 PDT Subject: BOC 5/18/00 Tree Message-ID: Beautiful As a Foot! I just received BOC 5/18/00 from the Riviera in Atlanta, GA. The genealogy is DAT>CD-R ") It's 2 discs w/ filler on the second disc from 6/13/99 Chattanooga, TN. I am having computer problems and I will only be able to provide my discs as a seed for the tree. Brad has agreed to arrange the tree structure. I have already notified some of the hardcore fans. So far these people are in! HAJO STEFFEN Branch? Zeitgeist Euro Branch Ted Jackson jr. Leaf John McIntyre Branch? I will send my "masters" to Brad. This tree will close on 6/16/00. I will make another announcement next week as a final reminder. So get your reply in to Brad before 6/16/00 if you want to get in on this ") Brad M. Lauchnor Also, clarify branch or leaf status. There is NO artwork for this disc, so if anyone wants to do some artwork and post it or email it to people on the final list, that would be totally cool! This strictly a trade setup or a B&P, whichever you can do. No money etc. will change hands and this is not for any type of profit. Here's the track list: 1) Intro> 2) Stairway to the Stairs 3) Teen Archer 4) ETI 5) Harvest Moon 6) Buck's B. 7) Joan C. 8) Cities on Flame 9) Burnin' 4 U 10) Harvester of Eyes 11) Last Days of May 12) Godzilla 13) Reaper Disc 2 1) Now is the time for the Old God's Return 2) Dominance Filler: 6/13/99 3) Intro> 4) Stairway 5) OD'd on Life Itself 6) ME 262 7) Harvester 8) ETI 9) Harvest Moon 10) Buck's 11) Burnin' 12) Godzilla 13) Reaper ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Jun 7 21:27:22 2000 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:27:22 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <39397116.FB20D259@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert - Any chance of Florida Dates? If you need info on clubs - let me know. The Saphire Supper club in downtown Orlando is excellent. Shawn At 04:56 PM 6/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >Dates are being finalized for the summer 2000 tour that I promised. So far we >have: >July 21 in Detroit >July 22 in Chicago > >August 5 in Washington >August 9 in Atlanta >August 10 in Chattanooga >August 12 in Charolette > >There's a bunch more shows that we're working on and we'll post the specifics >soon. > From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu Jun 8 03:05:28 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:05:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Well I checked out Motorhead tonight in Minneapolis, good show. I figured I'd bring down the "The 1999 Party" for Lemmy to sign. You know that cute picture of him on the last page of the booklet. I get the thing to him to be signed and he had no clue what it was! He spent a few minutes looking over the booklet as he had never seen it before, then signed it. I just kind of figured he would've known what it was. dan From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 04:06:19 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:06:19 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress addendum Message-ID: >adetrimental effect - Tim, you have my sympathies and I wish you some sign >of improvement. Got to have a brain scan now, 3 or 4 days before flying overseas. I guess I'd probably call of the trip for a brain tumour, but it'd piss me off, right when the dollar's finally starting to go back up! Tim (I'll respond to any further medical related stuff off-list) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 04:03:14 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:03:14 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress Message-ID: At 03:07 PM 6/7/00 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 6/7/00 1:02:46 PM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > ><< >*considering I came off prozac 10 days ago you may read into that whatever >you like. > >> >=== >you weaned yourself off, right? >didn't abruptly stop. No, I just stopped, but I'd only been taking it for 4 days. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 04:13:23 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:13:23 +1000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: At 02:05 AM 6/8/00 -0500, Dan Witt wrote: >Well I checked out Motorhead tonight in Minneapolis, good show. I >figured I'd bring down the "The 1999 Party" for Lemmy to sign. You know >that cute picture of him on the last page of the booklet. I get the >thing to him to be signed and he had no clue what it was! He spent a >few minutes looking over the booklet as he had never seen it before, >then signed it. I just kind of figured he would've known what it was. Do you really expect him to remember anything about those days? :) I remember him saying that during the gig Silver Machine was first recorded at, the roadies had to hold him and Dik Mik up and tell them which direction the audience was. The list of drugs he claims to have taken was about a page long. (I also remember a 1988 interview where he responded to a question about whether he had a driver's licence with "Would you, if you drank a bottle of scotch a day?") (or something to that effect) Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 04:18:00 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:18:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Calvert site progress Message-ID: Sorry - thought that was a private email. OB HW: Tentative date for Calvert site readiness is Saturday. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 8 04:30:04 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <20000608081321.DYSS2210.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: My favourite Lemmy quote goes something like: "It's very important to know your limitations. My limitation's a bottle of Jack Daniels a day." -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 8 07:10:11 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:10:11 +0100 Subject: HW: value of some items In-Reply-To: Todd Hong's message of Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: Todd Hong writes: > > Indeed, I was enlightened, because I remembered ye olde home cheapo > turntables that had an extra long spindle upon which discs could be > stacked. Each time the tonearm reached the end of a disc and > auto-returned, it would let the next one drop and start over to play > it. (Yes, I know, fully automatic turntables, very non-hi-fi!) Anyway, > in such a turntable, a 2LP set pressed in such a fashion enables you to > stack the two LPs so that it will play sides 1 & 2 in order, then you > can flip the whole stack over to play sides 3 & 4 in order. I first heard Space Ritual on a borrowed tape from a friend and the side orders had been changed so that it would fit on a C90 - the longest available audio cassette at the time. Since I just copied that tape and listened to it for years, the album sounded in the wrong order when I bought it - even despite the clear links at the end of some sides. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 8 07:30:36 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:30:36 +0100 Subject: Deaf as a very deaf thing In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > From: "Tim Gadd" > > Incidentally, the medical problem is a sudden, dramatic worsening of my > > tinnitus. I'm not mentioning this to fish for sympathy, but as a real > > warning. I've had over 20 years....... > > This is a serious thing - out of concern for the health of my ears I get > them looked at by a doctor every couple of years as it's easy to let things > go to the dogs where yuor ears are concerned. Recently what I thought was > tinnitus proved to be a wax build-up (the sign of a healthy ear believe it > or not) but I confess that it was not pleasant, and this comes from a guy > who uses headphones to review CD's every day. I find it's a question of > balance in the sense that if you do experience anything loud, you really do > have to let your ears adjust to normal before doing it again, but it's true > that, for many people, constsnt exposure to overly loud stuff will have > adetrimental effect - Tim, you have my sympathies and I wish you some sign > of improvement. Seconded. I've had the wax thang to the point it's made me damn near deaf - which is a shock until it turns out that's all it is. I also had a sort of kid equivalent, glue ear, which takes an operation in which they cut through the eardrum to fix. I had that done three times, so my eardrums are somewhat scarred. Apart from my early 20's, I'd developed the habit of just stuffing tissue paper into my ears if I judge a concert too loud. Sure, it does cut down a little on the more subtle noises at a gig, but has the benefit of ensuring you'll enjoy 'em on a hifi until the age that your ears wouldn't be able to hear 'em any more anyway. One of the more irritating things about getting (a little more) older is that what's called hearing discrimination starts to go. So I can still literally hear a pin drop - in a quiet room. What gives me a lot of trouble is listening to just one conversation in a room where there's a lot of them going on and where there are other noises as well. Since I'm quite fond of the pub, it's annoying that quite often I can't hear a bloody thing of what someone talking to me is actually saying, and I don't frequent pubs with loud jukeboxes. I find myself just smiling and nodding - or just nodding off. Tinnitus is obviously a hell of a lot worse than that, and can more than aggravate that problem. Both are a hell of a lot more likely to happen at an earlier age if you don't protect your ears when they need it. That amounts to very noisy workplaces and to most rock gigs, and certainly the louder bands. Headphones are also a nono except at surprisingly low volumes. A reasonable rule is that if your ears are ringing after a gig, it was bad for you, and if someone else can hear what's on your headphones if they're sitting next to you, they're too loud for you. I started to lose discrimination at 35, which I don't regard as really very old at all - certainly it didn't seem a whole long time after finishing university, and as I said, I did take some care. They're your ears, and you're perfectly entitled to be deaf at 40 if you prefer, but trust me, your 40 year old self will often curse the youth that was you if you go that route. I know just how appealing being sensible and considering consequences is for someone in their 20's but without very good luck, those really are the choices available. They lied about hair on the palm of your hands and going blind, but they're not lying about the walkmen being deaf by 40. And if anyone assumed that my nodding in the pub meant that I agreed with them, I'm sorry, but when you know me better, you'll realise that I rarely agree with anyone :-) FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 8 07:56:57 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:56:57 EDT Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <393EB746.67A68398@mindspring.com> Message-ID: On 7 Jun 00, at 16:57, Albert Bouchard wrote: > Billy may join us on the NYC date and we may have other guests on some > of the others but it will be mainly the three of us for most of it. Any chance of returning to the Syracuse area clubs, preferably Styleens? The joints under new management but they're still booking music. Probably the best live venue in town... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 8 08:07:22 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:07:22 EDT Subject: HW: Lemmy In-Reply-To: <393F45B8.F5A4189B@uswest.net> Message-ID: On 8 Jun 00, at 2:05, Dan Witt wrote: > Well I checked out Motorhead tonight in Minneapolis, good show. I > figured I'd bring down the "The 1999 Party" for Lemmy to sign. You > know that cute picture of him on the last page of the booklet. I get > the thing to him to be signed and he had no clue what it was! He > spent a few minutes looking over the booklet as he had never seen it > before, then signed it. I just kind of figured he would've known what > it was. > What other bands on the bill? theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 09:10:29 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:10:29 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: More to the point... Any chance of a UK visit? Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: Re: tBS hit road > On 7 Jun 00, at 16:57, Albert Bouchard wrote: > > > Billy may join us on the NYC date and we may have other guests on some > > of the others but it will be mainly the three of us for most of it. > > Any chance of returning to the Syracuse area clubs, preferably > Styleens? The joints under new management but they're still booking > music. Probably the best live venue in town... > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 8 09:50:05 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:50:05 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:10:29 BST." <039e01bfd14a$ec643b00$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > More to the point... > > Any chance of a UK visit? Absolutely. I mean there'd be at least three in the audience - you, me & Andy Gilham :-) In the meantime, I'll console myself with seeing the Tragically Hip tonight! Tim From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jun 8 09:57:12 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:57:12 +0300 Subject: OFF: Kingston Wall Message-ID: Hi folks.. there is new album call Kingston Wall Freakout Remixes (gar29). Songs: Intro/I Hear You Call by Possibly Apple/ We Cannot Move- Goa2000- Channeled remix by Texas Faggot/ I?m Not The One- King2001- Mix by Praktika/ With My Mind by Accu/ Use To feel Before by Squaremeat/ Pal?kastro by Mutka Really strange stuff, I?m not sure do I like it or not. You can get it from Spinefarm records. http://www.spine-farm.fi Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Jun 8 10:10:56 2000 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:10:56 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: >> More to the point... No, four ... :-) Alun >> >> Any chance of a UK visit? > > >Absolutely. I mean there'd be at least three in the audience - >you, me & Andy Gilham :-) > >In the meantime, I'll console myself with seeing the Tragically Hip tonight! > > >Tim From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 10:03:01 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:03:01 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: I'll have to console myself with looking (a long way) forward to Half Man Half Biscuit on the 21st of July. :-) Cheers, Rich. "Husker Du, Du, Du, Captain Beefheart, ELO, Chris De Burgh, Sun Ra, Del Amitri, John Coltraine" > > More to the point... > > > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > Absolutely. I mean there'd be at least three in the audience - > you, me & Andy Gilham :-) > > In the meantime, I'll console myself with seeing the Tragically Hip tonight! > > > Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 8 11:31:09 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:31:09 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics/tabs:The Demented Man(I think) In-Reply-To: <393D9926.F6E9C16F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <393D9926.F6E9C16F at netscapeonline.co.uk>, linuxchaos writes >The sweets were called gobstoppers and cost a penny. Yeah, this is true but Dave is not singing : "Questions asked but never know, penny gobbers which way I'll go"? I know what a halibut is but I would also query "Halibut which way I'll go" BTW and FWIW, I'm 35, lived in London all my life and I've never heard gobstoppers referred to as "penny gobbers", but that wasn't why I was arching an eyebrow, Roger Moore-style, at this particular turn of phrase. cheers -- Jon From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Jun 8 14:09:59 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:09:59 -0700 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: > > More to the point... > > Any chance of a UK visit? > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even get the native eastern bands either! From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Jun 8 14:25:07 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:25:07 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: Yeah, I agree!! Let's get these bands to sunny California. Club Spaceland is a great venue. The Nik Turner show there a few months ago was great! -----Original Message----- From: John H. McCartney [SMTP:scorch at TE-CATS.COM] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:10 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: tBS hit road > > More to the point... > > Any chance of a UK visit? > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even get the native eastern bands either! From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Jun 8 15:09:36 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:09:36 -0500 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: And, don't forget , New Orleans, Louisiana, please ! Nik played here several years ago, and I missed it due to being offshore at the time, darnit. "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > Yeah, I agree!! Let's get these bands to sunny California. Club > Spaceland is a great venue. The Nik Turner show there a few months > ago was great! > > -----Original Message----- > From: John H. McCartney [SMTP:scorch at TE-CATS.COM] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:10 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: tBS hit road > > > > > More to the point... > > > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! > Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even > get the native eastern bands either! From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 8 17:09:42 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:09:42 +0100 Subject: HW: What is Lemmy singing... Message-ID: On the (totally splendid) encore of Silver Machine on the HW Live At Reading 1986 CD, about 9 minutes in, Lemmy sings: "I remember when and I don't give a flying fuck!". Can anyone make out what he's singing there? I guess he got bored finding all the possible permutations of the lyrics ;-) Dave. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 8 18:59:38 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:59:38 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <200006081809.LAA23967@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > > > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! > Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even > get the native eastern bands either! About the same in miles, though. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Jun 8 19:06:08 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:06:08 -0700 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: > > > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > > > > > > > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! > > Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even > > get the native eastern bands either! > > About the same in miles, though. > Yeah, but I'd like to see them make it to London in a van! From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Jun 8 19:22:56 2000 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:22:56 -0400 Subject: HW: value of some items In-Reply-To: <93B3E77F7738D311890800500473BBFAE0D585@INTEXCH1>; from TNHong@DATACOLLECT.COM on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 01:15:11PM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 01:15:11PM -0500, Todd Hong wrote: > I don't know about the more modern hi-fi pressings, but in my collection of > LPs (about 1000) the 1-4, 2-3 pressing is 95% of all my double sets. Yes, this was the standard way of doing things in those days. Even with many-record box sets, you'd see 1-12, ... 5-8, 6-7. I can't imagine playing even half of Beethoven's symphonies in one go, but that's how they pressed 'em. It was common knowledge that using a record changer was hard on the records (when a record dropped, there would be this "plop-whoosh" as it landed, then slid for a second or so against the one beneath it until it came up to speed). Even so, it was really tempting to pile 'em on anyway, so as not have to get up every 20 minutes to change records -- especially during a party, heavy make-out session, or whatever. You could rank people in increasing order of audiophile-ness: - the ones who never gave it a thought - the ones who reluctantly gave into temptation and used the changer - the ones who didn't - the ones who had single-play turntables in the first place - the ones who considered it gauche to have a turntable even so automatic as to return the tone-arm to resting position after the record was done. The machinery to do this was considered to interfere with the tone-arm's free movement (lifting vertically off the spin-out groove was acceptable, since the lifter didn't have to be engaged while the record was playing. When I started seeing records pressed 1-2, 3-4, I knew audiophile had gone mainstream. My prize tech-toy purchase of 1979 was a turntable that: - Avoided (most of?) the damage by going up to get the next record instead of just letting it drop. The center of the platter (a circle about the size of the hole in a 45), was a movable column. When it was time to play the next side, the column would raise up, lifting any records that were already down. The spindle would let go of the next disc, and the whole thing would come back down to set the records gently on the platter. (The lifter column must have been rotating at platter speed, I presume, or there would still have been friction damage). - Could optically detect track boundaries; it used a laser to look for the shiny bit between tracks. This never worked too well. Sometimes it'd count two tracks (or none) instead of one, if it happened to cross the track boundary at just the wrong spot, and there were some songs with quiet sections that the thing would only play the first part of. I seem to recall one song on "A Farewell to Kings" in particular -- probably "Cygnus X-1" -- that it *always* screwed up on. - Could be programmed to play tracks in an arbitrary order -- truly arbitrary, since it could actually push records *back* up onto the pending stack. The little fingers at the top of the spindle could grab hold of an already played record as easily as let go of an unplayed one. The only thing it couldn't do was flip the records over :-) - Had a remote control (a rarity in those days -- but then, most turntables didn't have anything worth controlling remotely). This was actually kind of cool -- the I/R receiver wasn't on the turntable itself, it was on this nifty brushed-aluminum mushroom thing that was attached to the turntable by a cable. A *long* cable -- with a bit of preparation, you could control the music from another room. All stuff we take for granted now, with CDs and more cheap computing power than we can use, but in the late seventies this thing was really pushing the envelope (and in some respects at least, the envelope did a good job of pushing back :-) For New Years Eve 79/80, my brother set his up with the mushroom taped to the doorframe between the living room and his bedroom. This thing was was the hit of the party! Remote-control music was as cool then as the Rio was when it first came out. I still have the thing. It's been in a box in my parents' basement for going on 20 years. Some time I should dig it out and see if it still works. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / to me, Charlie Brown represented the courage to be sincere in the face of ridicule. he was NOT a loser. thank you, Mr. Schulz. - Robert C. Mayo From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 8 19:47:56 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:47:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert tape Site active Message-ID: Well I couldn't sleep, so I got out of bed, and finished it off. The site is called 'Bob Calvert - Ramblings at Dawn'. It still has a few rough edges, but I thought you'd rather I got it operational now and worried about them later. All the same, let me know if anything major doesn't work. Go to the URL for my homepage http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/ Then click on 'radio serials and dramas', and then 'documentaries' Feedback appreciated. I'm off to have a brain-scan now. Wish me luck. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Thu Jun 8 21:04:32 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:04:32 EDT Subject: Finally, A Great summer! Message-ID: This is going to be a great summer for rock 'n' roll. Next Wednesday, Motorhead is coming to town, Aug 11, Jethro Tull is coming, and this morning I heard on the radio that Blue Oyster Cult is coming on Aug 2! BOC is coming with Lynard Skynrd(check the spelling on that), but I'll be going to see Cult!! Joe Loehr PS I posted the "tabs" for 'The Demented Man,' and I still say it sounds like Dave is singing "penny gobbers," whatever the hell they may be. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Fri Jun 9 06:06:06 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (Linux Chaos) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 03:06:06 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jun 9 03:54:45 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:54:45 -0600 Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: Eric's splendid story sadly snipped:):) I had a friend with one of those nifty toyz!! I still have in my possession an Akai & an older set-can't remember the brand reel-to-reel setups. I still intend to set all of my components up together. One of these days-when I get time that is:) I'm still running an older Kenwood setup: 7 disc changer, duel tape, turntable (not hooked up, I'm afraid) & all hooked thru a 80watt per channel amp. I still swear that I should hook the TV up for Cliff for one of his NASCAR & other various racing:) Might just have to: That would be fun!!! Sorry about the ramble, folx!! I've been Ozricizing a friend & I'm a bit tired too:) Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I hate you I hate you I hate you!!! (So where's 'town'? I've got a four week sabbatical due...) :-) Cheers, Rich. ObThoughtForTheDay: Don't put your card behind the bar. (Feeling a little fuzzy round the edges this morning...) > This is going to be a great summer for rock 'n' roll. Next Wednesday, > Motorhead is coming to town, Aug 11, Jethro Tull is coming, and this morning > I heard on the radio that Blue Oyster Cult is coming on Aug 2! BOC is coming > with Lynard Skynrd(check the spelling on that), but I'll be going to see > Cult!! > > Joe Loehr > > PS I posted the "tabs" for 'The Demented Man,' and I still say it sounds like > Dave is singing "penny gobbers," whatever the hell they may be. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 9 04:09:09 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:09:09 +0100 Subject: HW: What is Lemmy singing... Message-ID: Sounds like my old band's version of '(We Are) The Road Crew', which, by the end of the evening went something along the lines of "Another'nother'nother'nother'nother 'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother DANG DA DAGADAGA DANG DA DAGADAGA!!!" Ahhh... the creative benefits of Ind Coope Burton Ale at the Cooperage. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Berry To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:09 PM Subject: HW: What is Lemmy singing... > On the (totally splendid) encore of Silver Machine on the HW Live At > Reading 1986 CD, about 9 minutes in, Lemmy sings: "I remember when > and I don't give a flying fuck!". Can > anyone make out what he's singing there? > > I guess he got bored finding all the possible permutations of the lyrics ;-) > > Dave. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 9 04:10:14 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:10:14 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road Message-ID: > > > > > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, wait a minnit! They've got to make it to California first! > > > Bad enough we only see the Hawks every 5-10 years, we don't even > > > get the native eastern bands either! > > > > About the same in miles, though. > > > > > Yeah, but I'd like to see them make it to London in a van! "I'm not getting back in the van 'til Vim says we're nothing to do with the New Romantics." ;-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 9 04:30:34 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:30:34 +0100 Subject: Finally, A Great summer! In-Reply-To: <056601bfd1e9$62aeef00$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > > ObThoughtForTheDay: Don't put your card behind the bar. > (Feeling a little > fuzzy round the edges this morning...) > I did wonder about that! -- Andy (also a little blurred) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 9 04:52:53 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:52:53 +0100 Subject: Finally, A Great summer! Message-ID: > > -- Andy (also a little blurred) > Funny that! A good session of talking bollocks never did anyone any harm! :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 9 06:13:04 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:13:04 EDT Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/00 7:10:30 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << a C90 - the longest available audio cassette at the time. >> == au contraire, comrade. there were C-120's around at the time; i recorded the 4/5/74 HW philly show on one. that it didnt take such tapes long to start crumbling would be another story. trivia for those tape traders who axually _have_ my copy of that show; note the beginning of "you'd better believe it", that's where i flipped the tape over that night. == and the first 'factory/lp' cassette i ever owned was the who's "tommy" which omitted 'eyesight to the blind' and 'tommy's xmas'. "<>" From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jun 9 06:55:19 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:55:19 -0400 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <058801bfd1ea$249c9fe0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: >> Yeah, but I'd like to see them make it to London in a van! That reminds me of a joke from awhile back... apparently (obviously before Garcia died) the Grateful Dead were approached about holding a show in the Bahamas... it was right after a south Florida data and the promoter would fly in the band and all their stuff. They turned it down for fear that thousands of their fans would drown attempting to follow them... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 9 09:10:14 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:10:14 +1000 Subject: HW: What is Lemmy singing... Message-ID: At 09:09 AM 6/9/00 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote: >Sounds like my old band's version of '(We Are) The Road Crew', which, by the >end of the evening went something along the lines of >"Another'nother'nother'nother'nother >'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother'nother DANG DA DAGADAGA >DANG DA DAGADAGA!!!" FWIW I regard that as one of the greatest rock songs about rock ever written. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri Jun 9 11:54:19 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:54:19 -0500 Subject: Bob Calvert tape Site active Message-ID: Dear Tim, Although I haven't been able to listen to them yet, I downloaded all 18 of the files. Got a good transfer rate, too. Thank you so much for making these files available. I hope your doctor's appointment goes well. My daughter recently had a brain scan to try and figure out what is giving her such severe migraine headaches. Given that my daughter is 16 years old, I've been getting of lot of mileage out of her doctor's comment that the "brain scan came back negative". Hope you are LOL, Best wishes, Todd Hong -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd [mailto:lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:48 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Bob Calvert tape Site active Well I couldn't sleep, so I got out of bed, and finished it off. The site is called 'Bob Calvert - Ramblings at Dawn'. It still has a few rough edges, but I thought you'd rather I got it operational now and worried about them later. All the same, let me know if anything major doesn't work. Go to the URL for my homepage http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/ Then click on 'radio serials and dramas', and then 'documentaries' Feedback appreciated. I'm off to have a brain-scan now. Wish me luck. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Jun 9 12:15:55 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:15:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: If rumours are to be believed, Nik is "officially" organising the re-union gigs! Any comments anybody? Dave? Kris? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] Sent: 29 May 2000 08:07 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Reformation Well, Huw's supposed to be at the Ystalyfera gig. I think "burned by Dave" is a bit uncalled-for, to be honest - all it is, is that Nik got in touch with a lot of these guys when trying to get the reunion together (which still might happen), and they decided it would be fun to play a few gigs anyway. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of linuxchaos > Sent: 29 May 2000 15:17 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: HW: Reformation > > > Will Huw LLG play with Nik Turner's reformation band, or will it be just > a collection of all those who have been burned by Dave Brock? > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 9 12:50:40 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:50:40 +1000 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert tape Site active Message-ID: Incidentally, one of the additions I'm considering, are real audio files of Brock, Moorcock and Turner, giving their comments or versions of some of the events referred to in Bob's tape. These are all from unreleased Zooks! tapes. This will probably happen after I get back from the US. BTW I don't have a brain tumour. But I did spend today rushing around four seperate medical appointments, and the first event of the day was the car not starting, so all in all, I've had less stressful fridays :) My hearing is consistent with medium range loss due to noise damage, BTW, though IMO its nowhere near enough to bother me. It's just the tinnitus that gives me the shits. Here is a calvert related question. Is the 'tapes from the cellar; CD still available? I ordered it from an online record store over a month ago, and it apperas to be not going to show up. How rare is it? What's a reasonable price for a used copy? Oh yeah, and is it any good? :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Jun 9 14:56:59 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:56:59 +0100 Subject: HW: value of some items In-Reply-To: <69.60da554.26721d30@aol.com> Message-ID: Daslud - Do you have facilities to digitize this tape and would you be prepared to do so in order to spread around the list via tree? Alasdair On 9 Jun 00, at 6:13, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 6/8/00 7:10:30 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > << a C90 - the longest > available audio cassette at the time. >> > == > au contraire, comrade. > there were C-120's around at the time; > i recorded the 4/5/74 HW philly show on one. > > that it didnt take such tapes long to start crumbling > would be another story. > > trivia for those tape traders who axually _have_ my copy of that > show; note the beginning of "you'd better believe it", that's where i > flipped the tape over that night. == and the first 'factory/lp' > cassette i ever owned was the who's "tommy" which omitted 'eyesight to > the blind' and 'tommy's xmas'. > > "<>" > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 9 17:34:28 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:34:28 EDT Subject: lynott death hoax!!!! Message-ID: imagine motorhead w/out lem...imagine the stones w/out mick, or keef...imagine hawkwind w/out(ooops)...whoever's responsible for this should be in prison!!!!! rmayo <<>> etc etc etc From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 9 20:03:23 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:03:23 +0100 Subject: lynott death hoax!!!! Message-ID: > imagine motorhead w/out lem...imagine the stones w/out mick, or > keef...imagine hawkwind w/out(ooops)...whoever's responsible for this should > be in prison!!!!! > rmayo > << I've only had time to listen to a couple segments so far, but they sound perfectly fine, fidelity-wise. And wow! ESSENTIAL listening for any Calvert fans! By all means, check this stuff out! (now, if only someone would transcribe it all to text ...) -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:47:56 +1000, Tim Gadd wrote: >Well I couldn't sleep, so I got out of bed, and finished it off. > >The site is called 'Bob Calvert - Ramblings at Dawn'. It still has a few >rough edges, but I thought you'd rather I got it operational now and worried >about them later. All the same, let me know if anything major doesn't work. > >Go to the URL for my homepage > >http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/ ... or directly to the Calvert page: http://www.faof.org/~lupercal/radio/calvert/front.html From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 9 21:52:52 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:52:52 EDT Subject: Finally, A Great summer! Message-ID: Town= FT. Wayne IN . Except on special occaisions, as pretty close to nowhere as you can get. Gonna have to start looking to hitchhike on flying saucers. Joe Loehr From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 10 05:09:08 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:09:08 EDT Subject: HW: value of some items Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/00 2:57:02 PM, alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK writes: << Do you have facilities to digitize this tape and would you be prepared to do so in order to spread around the list via tree? >> ====== 1) nope. 2) moot, comrade [see answer #1] = in the early 90s i unearthed my original copy, made an XLII master of it, and made 10 copies off of the 'master'. there are 4 other people here [that i know of] in possession of that tape. maybe they'll help, if so equipt. really, there are _better_ tapes of that sort amongst us here. a. parr and bernhard p. would know; mr. parr was trading w/someone in scotland who had lower-gen versions of a lot of 'lemmy-era' shows. this was 4-5 years ago. but i stopped trading HW because i appeared to have rounded up the 'lemmy-era' shows. at least as of then... and _no_, i'm not particularly interested in the later stuff; i'd get it as trade fodder for the earlier shows. the first 1/2 hour or so of the philly show i taped is the best of it, but it was getting 'crumbly' by 1975. ....get someone else's opinion on it. sorry. "<>" From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat Jun 10 05:15:03 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:15:03 +0100 Subject: HW: value of some items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for letting us know. Alasdair On 10 Jun 00, at 5:09, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 6/9/00 2:57:02 PM, alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK writes: > > << > Do you have facilities to digitize this tape and would you be > prepared to do so in order to spread around the list via tree? > >> > ====== > 1) nope. > 2) moot, comrade [see answer #1] > = > in the early 90s i unearthed my original copy, made an XLII master of > it, and made 10 copies off of the 'master'. > > there are 4 other people here [that i know of] in possession of that > tape. maybe they'll help, if so equipt. > > really, there are _better_ tapes of that sort amongst us here. a. parr > and bernhard p. would know; mr. parr was trading w/someone in scotland > who had lower-gen versions of a lot of 'lemmy-era' shows. this was 4-5 > years ago. but i stopped trading HW because i appeared to have rounded > up the 'lemmy-era' shows. at least as of then... and _no_, i'm not > particularly interested in the later stuff; i'd get it as trade fodder > for the earlier shows. > > the first 1/2 hour or so of the philly show i taped is the best of it, > but it was getting 'crumbly' by 1975. ....get someone else's opinion > on it. > > sorry. > > "<>" > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Sat Jun 10 03:40:10 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:40:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Site update Message-ID: This weeks update at http://hawkwind.freeservers.com is a= lyrics=3D page for 25 Years On. 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URL: From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Sat Jun 10 03:42:12 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:42:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rock Wallpapers Message-ID: This weeks site update at http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com includes wallpaper of Emerson,Lake & Palmer, Led Zeppelin, Pink=3D Floyd & Stevie Ray Vaughan Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh= EH6=3D 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind=3D passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Jun 10 09:57:10 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:57:10 +1000 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert tape Site active Message-ID: At 06:29 PM 6/9/00 -0700, Doug Pearson wrote: >I've only had time to listen to a couple segments so far, but they sound >perfectly fine, fidelity-wise. And wow! ESSENTIAL listening for any >Calvert fans! Thanks. BTW, last time I checked, the DSL line was downm from the ISP to my friend who owns the server the site's housed on, so if you're experiencing any non-connection problems, it'll be a temporary thing which will be fixed, at worst, by the end of the weekend, and may be fixed already (I haven't checked) By all means, check this stuff out! (now, if only someone >would transcribe it all to text ...) I _did_ transcribe the segments that were used in the radio show and issued them in booklets back in 1982, but there are probably very few around, and I don;t know thatI even have any. Tim -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Jun 10 09:58:15 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:58:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert tape Site active Message-ID: >and may be fixed already (I haven't checked) It's fine now -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Jun 10 18:28:03 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:28:03 EDT Subject: lynott death hoax!!!! Message-ID: the lp might be great, but w/out lynott it's not thin lizzy; if they call themselves that they're just trading off the name and not the 'quality' of said lp. that's a shame. rmayo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 10 21:15:41 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:15:41 PDT Subject: Off: The Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: Hey Now! First off, I'd like to thank Keith for posting the tour dates for LPD. I love these guys! I taped these guys last night in Jacksonville. It was my first time ever seeing them or even hearing them for that matter. They were VERY kind and taping was not trouble at all! I sat my rig up right next to the SBD and we were off and running. The opening act is Dead Voices on Air (DVOA)and featured the SAX player form LPD and the drummer/bass player from LPD on one or two songs and a keyboard player. Sorry, since I am new to their scene, I don't know everyone's name. DVOA played for about 48 minutes. Their set ranges from drone, to trance and was a bit Gothic. If you are not familiar w/ those terms (I am just learning them myself)it was a bit, but not too dark and very spacey and all instrumental w/ some really cool samples. The closest band that I could compare them to would be Anubian Lights. Definitely not boring! Up next was LPD. Make sure that you are ready, because there's not much time between bands. To describe them, I will say that to me they sound like a mix between the Sisters of Mercy, Ozric Tentacles, early Pink Floyd, Can Gong and Hawkwind. However, they don't have the high energy "edge" that some of these other bands have. Theirs is more of a slow to medium tempo, very melodic, very spacey and a bit dark w/ a bit of a Gothic sound. Some of their stuff even sounded a little like the Psychedelic Furs..... just a tad.. Definitely not a pop band ") The sax player was awesome! Often playing 2 saxes at one time for both bands, but more atmospheric and not as obtrusive or freakout as Nik Turner. Not all songs had a drum kit proper, but most did. They have plenty of T-Shirts, CD's and vinyl for sale at really fair prices. All members were very accessible and signed autographs after the show. When I thanked them for allowing me to tape, they smiled and said, "we actually have a taping policy....... it's like the Grateful Dead". (Save your bad jokes Andrew.) The crowd was mostly "the kids in black" w/ a cool variety of fetish type outfits. The women definitely had the best outfits w/ most of the guys in the typical T-shirt garb, but black. I have never seen so many tattooed chics in one place. One looked like the anti Cinderella w/ a similar outfit, only it was all black, to match her hair. Pretty interesting for the ultimate conservative town of Jacksonville. I am sure that in the less conservative cities on the tour there will be many more freaks and beings from other planets. But that should not scare any hippy types off. There were some People Like Us (PLU) ta boot ta boot! This was my first time at this venue, Jack Rabbit's. The staff did not question my equipment or even bother checking ANY of my stuff ") Not a bad place. Pretty small and it was rather warm. The crowd was a mixture of hardcore fans and quite possibly regulars to the venue. The regulars seemed to be a bit chatty, but you'll have that anywhere. No rude drunks and everyone was pretty considerate, which is more that I can say for alot of the jamband shows that I attend. I was planning on going tonight, but my back problems are keeping me home :( I would like to trade both DVOA and LPD from this tour. SPACE IS THERE! D-Rider PS There was no lightshow. They could really use Jim Lascko! Also, I don't know what their feelings are on video taping, but I bet that's cool too ") ~~~~~~~~~~ NORTH AMERICAN TOUR UPDATE The following are the latest confirmed dates for the LPD tour of North America for 2000. All dates so far include Dead Voices on Air as special opening guest. More dates will be posted when they're confirmed. http://brainwashed.com/lpd/ 6/10 - Orlando, FL Sapphire Supper Club 6/11 - St. Petersburg, FL The State Theatre 6/12 - New Orleans, LA Howlin' Wolf 6/14 - Cincinnati, OH Bogart's 6/15 - Cleveland, OH Peabody's Down Under 6/16 - Columbus, OH Little Brother's 6/17 - Pittsburgh, PA Club Laga 6/18 - Pontiac, MI 7th House 6/20 - Milwaukee, WI Rave Bar 6/21 - Minneapolis, MN First Avenue 6/22 - Chicago, IL Double Door 6/23 - St. Louis, MO Side Door 6/24 - Lawrence, KS The Bottleneck 6/26 - Austin, TX Stubb's Bar-B-Q 6/27 - Houston, TX Instant Karma 6/28 - Dallas, TX Curtain Club 6/30 - Denver, CO Bluebird Theatre 7/01 - Denver, CO Bluebird Theatre 7/03 - Salt Lake City, UT DV8 7/05 - Los Angeles, CA Roxy Theatre 7/06 - Santra Ana, CA Galaxy Theatre 7/08 - San Francisco, CA Slim's 7/10 - Portland, OR Barbati's Pan 7/11 - Seattle, WA The Showbox 7/12 - Vancouver, BC Richard's On Richards 7/13 - Friday Harbor, WA Egg Lake Saw Mill ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM Sat Jun 10 23:39:19 2000 From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:39:19 -0400 Subject: Finally, A Great summer! Message-ID: Tell me about it - I ended up here in Ft Wayne just in time to miss Hawkwind touring my native land of Australia..... at least I caught Gong in Chicago last year Jeff From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sun Jun 11 04:06:25 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:06:25 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock-er-itis?? Message-ID: Yes,video footage (probably converted from super 8) Only 12min. and very dark,no sound filip ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: Re: HW: Brock-er-itis?? > What's this then? Video footage? > > Dave > >Those HW clips from 76/77 at Newcastle were phenomenal! > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 11 08:07:02 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:07:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Later With Jools Holland Message-ID: According to another list (Bill Nelson/Be Bop Deluxe) the Jools Holland programme is looking for ideas for bands for the next series (16). Hawkwind would seem to fit the bill (with a reunion line-up! c'mon Dave B/ Doug get to it, I can just about see it, TV show followed by tour and new record - perfect!). E-mail the programme at later at bbc.co.uk or via the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/later. Those of you with web sites (Andy G.#1, Andy G#2, Age, etc) could post this for others not on the list to see. Get to it chaps! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your support would be appreciated > to > enable Cranium Music to stay in business. > > Richard > Cranium Music > http://www.cranium.co.nz > http://www.cranium-music.com From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jun 11 21:15:58 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:15:58 -0700 Subject: HW: NTSC PAL MPEG Message-ID: Chris - Theres loads of videos I'd like but due to different encoding this is going to be a bit tricky - My video plays NTSC would I need an NTSC TV? I think the video somehow fools the TV into accepting NTSC as PAL? I suppose thats a question for the video tech support, failing that we could do a swap and see if it works. What I want to do is encode the HW videos to MPEG DVD 9 then 1 concert would fit comfortably on a CD-R. That would get round the compatibility issue? Does anyone know of any MPEG encoding cards? I dont like the miro ones much are there any alternatives that would run on win2k or linux? sorry to veer "OFF" on that. Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jun 11 21:18:02 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:18:02 -0700 Subject: HW: Later With Jools Holland Message-ID: Cant see HW doing that sort of Jazz band all - together jam thang! no offence ben david hall wrote: > According to another list (Bill Nelson/Be Bop Deluxe) the Jools > Holland programme is looking for ideas for bands for the next series > (16). Hawkwind would seem to fit the bill (with a reunion line-up! > c'mon Dave B/ Doug get to it, I can just about see it, TV show > followed by tour and new record - perfect!).E-mail the programme at > later at bbc.co.uk or via the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/later.Those of > you with web sites (Andy G.#1, Andy G#2, Age, etc) could post this for > others not on the list to see. Get to it chaps! 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Hawkwind would seem to fit the bill (with a reunion line-up! > > c'mon Dave B/ Doug get to it, I can just about see it, TV show > > followed by tour and new record - perfect!).E-mail the programme at > > later at bbc.co.uk or via the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/later.Those of > > you with web sites (Andy G.#1, Andy G#2, Age, etc) could post this for > > others not on the list to see. Get to it chaps! Dave > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jun 12 05:32:48 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:32:48 -0700 Subject: HW: MPEG NTSC Message-ID: I just had an idea - I'm looking at the Hauppauge Win TV www.hauppauge.com website to see if it's possble to run NTSC on a Linux or Win2k monitor. That could clear that one? Any ideas on encoding those videos? - Ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jun 12 05:35:34 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:35:34 -0700 Subject: HW: Penny Gobbers Message-ID: >From the mood of the song I would say it's "baby god knows" which way I'll go. And the penny gobbers? what does she gob? or gob at? haha ben From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jun 12 05:50:59 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:50:59 -0700 Subject: HW: Jules Holland Message-ID: On second thoughts, Would he ever be the same (old julie I mean). But I do remember DB saying "no never" to an mtv unplugged. From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 12 03:44:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:44:49 +1000 Subject: HW: Jules Holland Message-ID: At 02:50 AM 6/12/00 -0700, linuxchaos wrote: >On second thoughts, > >Would he ever be the same (old julie I mean). > >But I do remember DB saying "no never" to an mtv unplugged. Couldn't he just think of it as busking? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Jun 12 04:20:24 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:20:24 +0200 Subject: HW:102 times "Silver Machine" Message-ID: Hi, I just ended counting how many times I've got "Silver Machine" in one way or another on 7",12",LP's,CD's and official cassettes. I came to 102 times.Mind though mostly are on those dodgy compilation LP's and CD's that seems to pop up almost every week or so.Mostly are from a Holland company called Disky and only do compilations (like K-Tel way back years).I keep telling myself I won't buy these anymore,but can't help myself. Would be interesting to know how many times there's "Silver Machine" on live-tapes and videos? Maybe a question for you Bernie? Should keep you busy for a while,I think. best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Jun 12 04:08:15 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:08:15 +0200 Subject: HW:Melodic Energy Commision Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know if Del Dettmar is on the Melodic Energy Commision LP:"E=MC2"? 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S. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Jill & Tom Svetec" To: Subject: hawkwind autograph Date sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:12:59 +0930 hello sonique you wouldn't know me from a bar of soap.my name is tom and I live in Loveday which is in S.Aust. I've been a Hawkwind fan for yonks .I would like to know if anyone is interested in my autographed Micheal Moorcock letter dated from around 1980 (Hawklords era I think). The letter has Dave , Harvey, Steve Swindells, Rob Calvert,Martin Griffin and others that I cannot make out as well as being signed by Micheal Moorcock himself.I would be quite willing to part with it for the right price.I do mean right price.Anyway thanks for your time and all the best. Thanks from Tom. ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 12 05:45:24 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:45:24 +0100 Subject: HW: NTSC PAL MPEG In-Reply-To: linuxchaos's message of Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: linuxchaos writes: > Chris - > > Theres loads of videos I'd like but due to different encoding this is > going to be a bit tricky - > > My video plays NTSC would I need an NTSC TV? I think the video somehow > fools the TV into accepting NTSC as PAL? IIRC it sends it as a faked PAL signal with a slightly different sync rate. With most TV's, all you need to do is adjust the vertical hold to watch the faked PAL signal. FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Jun 12 06:20:43 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:20:43 +0200 Subject: HW: Poster Message-ID: Hi Folks I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG format. The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop me a line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. cheers Bernhard From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Jun 12 06:55:20 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:55:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Poster In-Reply-To: <200006121021.MAA19611@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: At 12:20 12-6-00 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Folks > >I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my >digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG format. >The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB > >If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop me a >line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. hi bernard please email this file to me. cosmos at casema.net thanks andre From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Jun 12 07:20:29 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:20:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Poster Message-ID: Me2 Russell.J.Hall at lmco.com > -----Original Message----- > From: cosmos [SMTP:cosmos at CASEMA.NET] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 6:55 AM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: Poster > > At 12:20 12-6-00 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi Folks > > > >I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my > >digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG > format. > >The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB > > > >If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop me a > >line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. > > hi bernard > please email this file to me. > cosmos at casema.net > > thanks > > andre From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Jun 12 07:26:28 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:26:28 +0200 Subject: HW: Autographed letter Message-ID: What do you call a right price? Very interested! greetings filip hawknut filip.vanhuyse at yucom.be ----- Original Message ----- From: Sonique To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: HW: Autographed letter > Hi folks, > > If anyone is at all interested in this, feel free to mail the guy .... > > S. > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > From: "Jill & Tom Svetec" > To: > Subject: hawkwind autograph > Date sent: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:12:59 +0930 > > hello sonique > you wouldn't know me from a bar of soap.my name is tom and I live in Loveday > which is in S.Aust. I've been a Hawkwind fan for yonks .I would like to know > if anyone is interested in my autographed Micheal Moorcock letter dated from > around 1980 (Hawklords era I think). The letter has Dave , Harvey, Steve > Swindells, Rob Calvert,Martin Griffin and others that I cannot make out as > well as being signed by Micheal Moorcock himself.I would be quite willing to > part with it for the right price.I do mean right price.Anyway thanks for your > time and all the best. Thanks from Tom. > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > -- > The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net > The snail address ---> http://sonique.net/house > Paying the Bills ---> http://www.quest.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 12 08:05:05 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:05 +1000 Subject: HW: Autographed letter Message-ID: At 01:26 PM 6/12/00 +0200, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: >What do you call a right price? >Very interested! > Not wishing to put a dampner on things, but unless there's something historically significant about this letter (i.e., it involves something more than MM's autograph), I wouldn't part with much money for it. I'd say a MM autograph by itself would be next to worthless. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Jun 12 11:42:04 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:42:04 -0600 Subject: HW: Poster Message-ID: me3!!! Pam "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > Me2 > > Russell.J.Hall at lmco.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cosmos [SMTP:cosmos at CASEMA.NET] > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 6:55 AM > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > > Subject: Re: HW: Poster > > > > At 12:20 12-6-00 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Folks > > > > > >I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my > > >digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG > > format. > > >The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB > > > > > >If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop me a > > >line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. > > > > hi bernard > > please email this file to me. > > cosmos at casema.net > > > > thanks > > > > andre -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: > > > >I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my > > > >digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG > > > format. > > > >The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB > > > > > > > >If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop > me a > > > >line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. > > > > > > hi bernard > > > please email this file to me. > > > cosmos at casema.net > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > andre hi bernard many thanks for your efforts. if i ever find time i could add several to this collection. andre From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jun 12 15:15:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michaelangelo) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:45:12 +0930 Subject: HW: Poster Message-ID: kewell ----- Original Message ----- From: cosmos To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:17 AM Subject: Re: HW: Poster > > > > >I had a lot of spare time today so I decided to make photos with my > > > > >digi-camera from my 22 HAWKWIND posters and transfer them into JPG > > > > format. > > > > >The ZIP file with all 22 JPG's has 1,3 MB > > > > > > > > > >If some of you out there are interested to get this pics please drop > > me a > > > > >line and I'll send you an attached ZIP-file. > > > > > > > > hi bernard > > > > please email this file to me. > > > > cosmos at casema.net > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > andre > > hi bernard > many thanks for your efforts. > if i ever find time i could add several to this collection. > > andre > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 12 19:22:29 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:22:29 PDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: Well, I finally got TSM "Mind of a Brother".... OH Yea!! What snapped these guys out of there trance? Actually, it is starting to resemble older stuff as the tracks progress and during the heavy and upbeat portions they do drift back into that floaty space. But I gotta say, this really rips! Seems like they have kinda switched styles to some extent. Which brings me to the subject. I would say that they have kinda gone from trance to stoner in some ways. But what do I know? Time for Keith and you other spacerock freaks to clue some of us in on all this spacerock terminology. Maybe this was covered before I joined in...? I have seen and heard numerous terms thrown around. Read numerous reviews, mostly in my favorite 'zine Aural Innovations. Attached terms to the bands that I have in my collection, after reading the "label" that someone attached to that certain "style". Trance, Drone, Stoner, Festi etc. etc. It would REALLY be cool if someone in the know would post a "Spacerock Glossary" of ALL these terms. I know that it would really help me out ") For instance, I just reviewed the Legendary Pink Dots show. I did the best that I could w/ the terms, but did I describe their "sound" or "style" properly? Do they kinda have their own style that is a combo of several styles or do they fall into one specific style? I don't really like "labels". For instance, I don't label BOC as "heavy metal". That's not really what I am talking about. Someone help out this Mind of a Brother ") Space Is There Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Jun 12 19:41:22 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:41:22 +0100 Subject: HW: MPEG NTSC In-Reply-To: <3944AE40.B09035FA@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: I have one of those cards and a video which can play NTSC tapes. I don't have to do anything funky on the TV to view the NTSC tapes, but the Hauppauge card (bought in UK) won't display the NTSC picture completely. The best I can get is a b/w capture. YMMV. Alasdair On 12 Jun 00, at 2:32, linuxchaos wrote: > I just had an idea - > > I'm looking at the Hauppauge Win TV www.hauppauge.com website to see > if it's possble to run NTSC on a Linux or Win2k monitor. > > That could clear that one? > > Any ideas on encoding those videos? > > - Ben > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Mon Jun 12 22:04:19 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:04:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F01201F4D@lnnt47.london.entoil.com> Message-ID: Yes......Nik Turner (the conscience of HW) is organising the reunion band from original members. I went to a Huw Lloyd Langton Acoustic Gig at the Greyhound Pub,Hendon on 9th June and spoke briefly with Huws wife on the subject. She enthused at the effort Nik was putting into the project and told me 5 dates have been set for September. The line up at present being....Nik Turner,Huw Lloyd Langton,Terry Ollis,Thomas Crimble,possibly Dikmik and hopefully Dave Brock(who has been invited to take part!). As for Lemmy......well he wants a bit more than money to take part in the reunion. In fact......he wants MEGABUCKS!!!!!! So it's probably best not to count on him being there.......the greedy ole sod! Personally, I think the reunion band will function fine without Lemmy. I just hope that 'the captain' does accept the invite,because without him the motors would never have run as long as they have, and to me he symbolises the HW SOUND! From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Jun 13 00:26:51 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:26:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: It's really strange, but doesn't it seem that these days Dave is the least involved member of Hawkwind? I mean the rhythm section of HW is going off on a USA tour without him, Nik is getting the reunion together without his aid, etc? The majority of the new songs are written by other members. What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? John Majka > Yes......Nik Turner (the conscience of HW) is organising the reunion band > from original members. > I went to a Huw Lloyd Langton Acoustic Gig at the Greyhound Pub,Hendon on > 9th June and spoke briefly with Huws wife on the subject. She enthused at > the effort Nik was putting into the project and told me 5 dates have been > set for September. The line up at present being....Nik Turner,Huw Lloyd > Langton,Terry Ollis,Thomas Crimble,possibly Dikmik and hopefully Dave > Brock(who has been invited to take part!). > As for Lemmy......well he wants a bit more than money to take part in the > reunion. In fact......he wants MEGABUCKS!!!!!! > So it's probably best not to count on him being there.......the greedy ole > sod! > Personally, I think the reunion band will function fine without Lemmy. I > just hope that 'the captain' does accept the invite,because without him the > motors would never have run as long as they have, and to me he symbolises > the HW SOUND! > From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 00:40:29 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:40:29 EDT Subject: OFF: thin lizzy: does THIS settle it? Message-ID: <<>> OK then: not one original composition. CA$H IN!!!! tribute? ok, then say so. lame... rmayp From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Tue Jun 13 01:20:01 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:20:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? More likely the effects of age. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 01:22:51 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:22:51 EDT Subject: OFF: thin lizzy: does THIS settle it? Message-ID: aw man....worse than i thought. right up there with, like that live BTO album they used to advertise on tv, from years after the fact....or any number of bar-band editions of steppenwolf. 'one night only' will be quite enough, thank you. and $200.00 seats are still available for the diana ross n' the supremes 'reunion' tour!! "<>" In a message dated 6/13/00 12:41:51 AM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << <<>> OK then: not one original composition. CA$H IN!!!! tribute? ok, then say so. lame... rmayp >> From CultJacket at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 02:04:59 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:04:59 -0400 Subject: 6-9-00 BOC in Cleveland Message-ID: BOC played Fagen's in The Flats about 2 blocks from The R/R Hall Of Fame. It was a huge Niteclub with a Huge Outside Tent connected to it with 4 different bars and a Sea Food Restaurant attached to it. The view of Lake Erie in the back which was nice. It was a free show sponsered by Cleveland's Classic Rock Station.They are doing this every Friday for the summer 38 Special was last week,Loverboy nexy week... Brews were expensive though to offset the free show. The place holds 2500 and it was packed. A great show and my Birthday was Sat so it was a great way to spend it. Show time was exactly 2 hrs 10:30-12:30 am Set List in order was: 1 Stairway 2 Before The Kiss 3 ETI 4 Harvest Moon 5 Buck's Boogie 6 Joan Crawford 7 Cities On Flame 8 Burnin For You 9 Harvester Of Eyes 10 See You In Black 11 Subhuman ( about 1 min longer than last month,about 8 mins now) 12 Take Me Away 13 Golden Age Of Leather 14 Last Days Of May 15 Lips In The Hills 16 Godzilla 17 Reaper 18 encore: Dom/Submission No new tunes this time as it was a rowdy drunkin crowd who favored the hard rockin stuff and it reflected in the choice of most of the songs played. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 03:16:12 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:16:12 EDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/00 4:24:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > Well, I finally got TSM "Mind of a Brother".... > > OH Yea!! What snapped these guys out of there trance? I dunno, but I'd like to snap 'em back into it!! :) > Actually, it is starting to resemble older stuff as the tracks progress and > during the heavy and upbeat portions they do drift back into that floaty > space. but still w/the drums/guits cranked _way_ up in the mix. But I gotta say, this really rips! > That's true, but Organ Mind Solution was great and it never ripped. There are enough ripping bands already. > Seems like they have kinda switched styles to some extent. Which brings me > to the subject. I would say that they have kinda gone from trance to stoner > in some ways. But what do I know? Again, maybe I've just listened to too much metal, but the riffs sounds sorta generic to me. > > Time for Keith and you other spacerock freaks to clue some of us in on all > this spacerock terminology. Maybe this was covered before I joined in...? > > I have seen and heard numerous terms thrown around. Read numerous reviews, > mostly in my favorite 'zine Aural Innovations. Attached terms to the bands > that I have in my collection, after reading the "label" that someone > attached to that certain "style". > > Trance, Drone, Stoner, Festi etc. etc. > Just make up your own--that's what everyone else does! Actually, I know people complain about these genre-labels, incl. myself, but I think the more the better! Words are inadequate to describe music (or anything else for that matter) to begin with, but you definitely need 'em if you're gonna communicate, and the more of these sub-sub-sub-toinfinity-genre names there are, the more you indicate that most good music/bands has/have its/their own idiosyncrasies. Chuck From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 13 04:40:24 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:40:24 +1000 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: Quote from Bob Calvert, from one of the clips on my site: Made in 1981, but still topical today? Discuss... "although there is still a band going around with that name, with Dave leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the time of the 'Hawklords' album... ...I think it would be a far more dignified thing if the band were regarded as something which had a magnificent sort of life, and terrific, long run as a major band, and has now sort of broken up and gone into seperate units. Dave Brock would be doing himself a favour if he formed a band of his own, and called it something quite different from Hawkwind, and used it to express his own musical direction, rather than sort of half-heartedly trying to resurrect a dispersed spirit." -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 13 05:05:25 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:25 +0100 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons In-Reply-To: <20000613084021.MHKJ10354.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: > "although there is still a band going around with that name, with Dave > leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the time of the > 'Hawklords' album... >From a purist point of view, yes, absolutely, and I tended to feel this myself at the time. But put yourself in Dave's shoes - start out again as Agents of Chaos or something with no recognition, or use the Hawkwind name that is really well-known and has a lot of goodwill. It's a no-brainer. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From denis at D-RIDER.DE Tue Jun 13 05:44:44 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:44:44 +0200 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <3945C481.930DFA09@uswest.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Dan Witt wrote: [Dave burnt out with HW?] >More likely the effects of age. Perhaps, but Dave's younger than Nik, and latter's as active as ever! Age effects different people differently, OK, but 58 (?) isn't _that_ old. (C)IAO D+R From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 13 06:35:25 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:35:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000613113416.00a72a80@post.strato.de> Message-ID: > Perhaps, but Dave's younger than Nik, and latter's as active as ever! Age > effects different people differently, OK, but 58 (?) isn't _that_ old. But Nik's energy is absolutely astounding! Dave's probably just normal!!! I think Lemmy's reported demands for lots of money basically come down to the fact that he could tour with Motorhead and make a wad, and so to do the HW reunion at the rates that Nik and others would be happy with would be like taking several weeks unpaid leave. He's not Nik, who'll happliy go busking hoping to make enough to get his van fixed, or whatever... -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jun 13 04:47:34 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:47:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Poster Message-ID: Thanks for your effort, Bernhard!! I appreciate your sending these! I'm enjoying them, and will be passing them onto a friend. Thanks again! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 0:40, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > << now be out on July 11th. Recorded in Europe last year with the band > line up of John Sykes, Scott Gorham, Darren Wharton, Marco Mendoza and > Tommy Aldridge, the album contains the following tracks: 'The Boys Are > Back In Town', 'Jailbreak', 'Cowboy Song', 'Waiting For An Alibi', > 'Don't Believe A Word', 'Cold Sweat', 'Emerald', 'Sun Goes Down', 'Are > You Ready', 'Bad Reputation', 'Still In Love With You' and 'Rosalie'. > The band will kick off their world tour on August 1st in Europe. The > band were>>> > > OK then: not one original composition. CA$H IN!!!! > tribute? ok, then say so. lame... It's sad to see this. I think there's all kind of potential for this lineup, but to use the TL name and play the old songs is nothing but corpse- picking. I know John Sykes's got lots of fans in Europe, so somebody will buy the stuff--hell, I think he's a hell of a player, but I can't see myself buying it... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 07:45:23 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:45:23 EDT Subject: OFF: thin lizzy: does THIS settle it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 1:22, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > aw man....worse than i thought. > right up there with, like that live BTO album they used to advertise > on tv, from years after the fact....or any number of bar-band editions > of steppenwolf. > > 'one night only' will be quite enough, thank you. > > and $200.00 seats are still available for the diana ross n' the > supremes 'reunion' tour!! > I hear there are LOTS of seats of all price levels avail. for that tour... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 07:54:40 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:54:40 EDT Subject: 6-9-00 BOC in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <200006130604.CAA09368@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 2:04, Chris Martin wrote: > BOC played Fagen's in The Flats about 2 blocks from The R/R Hall Of > Fame. Do you know anything about the August gig that the web site lists as 'North Towanda' NY? I assume this means North Tonowanda, the Buffalo suburb? You goin to this show? How 'bout you Brian? And the Syracuse show in July? Anyone know the venue etc? theo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 13 07:56:42 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:56:42 PDT Subject: WAY OFF: Thin Lizzy Message-ID: From: "Robert C. Mayo" Subject: OFF: thin lizzy: does THIS settle it? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:40:29 EDT <<>> OK then: not one original composition. CA$H IN!!!! tribute? ok, then say so. lame... rmayp Robert, I really think you need to chill out. Have you heard this lineup? You seem pretty darn high and mighty and very judgemental of this band. I have a very good friend that saw this lineup or the similar one that toured some time back and he said it was kickass! That's coming from a hardcore fan that has all their releases and has seen them many times. I personally think it's pretty cool and I hope to get to see them!! No, it's not the same, nor could it ever be w/o Phil. Does that mean that the music should die w/ him? How do you know this is a "cash in" scheme? What if it is? Who cares? You know that if you really are a Thin Lizzy fan, there's plenty of more appropriate places to send your flames. However, I do appreciate the news, even though it has been sent w/ a negative perspective attached. I am ready to shell out some cash for their get rich quick scheme ") Ease up skip ") Peace, Darrin PS If this is a cash in scheme , then I guess NIK getting things going for "reunion" tour is a cash in scheme too. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Jun 13 09:23:16 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:23:16 -0500 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: Too bad Bob felt that way, though he pretty much defined the HW sound through the Charisma years - but not before or after. Dave was and IS Hawkwind - the thread that keeps it all together. For that matter, Deep Purple is another band that went through several line-ups (About four lead singers?) while keeping the spirit - aside from "Come Taste the Band" ("Bolin-Coverdale-Hughes Band") and "Slaves and Masters" ("Rainbow Revisited") in particular. In their case, either it was Ritchie Blackmore or Ian Gillan who were the creative forces who earned the right to call the band Deep Purple, IMO. Andy Gilham wrote: > > "although there is still a band going around with that name, with Dave > > leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the time of the > > 'Hawklords' album... > > >From a purist point of view, yes, absolutely, and I tended to feel this > myself at the time. But put yourself in Dave's shoes - start out again as > Agents of Chaos or something with no recognition, or use the Hawkwind name > that is really well-known and has a lot of goodwill. It's a no-brainer. > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 13 09:45:47 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:45:47 +1000 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: At 10:05 AM 6/13/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >> "although there is still a band going around with that name, with Dave >> leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the time of the >> 'Hawklords' album... > >>From a purist point of view, yes, absolutely, and I tended to feel this >myself at the time. But put yourself in Dave's shoes - start out again as >Agents of Chaos or something with no recognition, or use the Hawkwind name >that is really well-known and has a lot of goodwill. It's a no-brainer. What about Motorhead? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 10:08:37 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:08:37 EDT Subject: HW: cat among pigeons In-Reply-To: <20000613134546.MQXM10354.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 23:45, Tim Gadd wrote: > At 10:05 AM 6/13/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > >> "although there is still a band going around with that name, with > >> Dave leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the > >> time of the 'Hawklords' album... > > > >From a purist point of view, yes, absolutely, and I tended to feel > >this myself at the time. But put yourself in Dave's shoes - start > >out again as Agents of Chaos or something with no recognition, or use > >the Hawkwind name that is really well-known and has a lot of > >goodwill. It's a no-brainer. > > What about Motorhead? But Lemmy was going in a completely different direction with MH. He had nothing to lose, really... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 13 10:41:54 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:41:54 +0100 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons In-Reply-To: <20000613134546.MQXM10354.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@Default> Message-ID: > What about Motorhead? Point taken, but Lemmy didn't have the option of trading as Hawkwind. Then again he had plenty of visibility in his own right! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Tim Gadd > Sent: 13 June 2000 14:46 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: HW: cat among pigeons > > > At 10:05 AM 6/13/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: > >> "although there is still a band going around with that name, with Dave > >> leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind finished at the > time of the > >> 'Hawklords' album... > > > >From a purist point of view, yes, absolutely, and I tended to feel this > >myself at the time. But put yourself in Dave's shoes - start > out again as > >Agents of Chaos or something with no recognition, or use the > Hawkwind name > >that is really well-known and has a lot of goodwill. It's a no-brainer. > > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 11:52:58 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:52:58 EDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 3:17:31 AM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: << > Time for Keith and you other spacerock freaks to clue some of us in on all > this spacerock terminology. Maybe this was covered before I joined in...? === nah, just last week wasnt it? and i wonder why alla sudden _semantics_ are such a big deal. with all due, or undue, respect, spare we, the >>players<< your semantics... lolol, in the '80s, the hardcore punk-types basically evicted my band from their happy little cul-de-sac. =koff= so, like, lololol, 15 years later, maybe the space-rock contingent will (wish they could) evict das ludicroix from _their_ happy little cul-de-sac. i kinda think doug ( AP) walker wouldnt care too much about this quest for the proper semantics; i know i bloody _dont_ care. shoot, twixt he and moi there's, like, over 50 years experience...and we'll be onstage together, at the risk of improper semantics, 7/1 at mandelbrot, when m'sieu walker joins us as part of das ludicroix. so _why_ should _y'all_ care? === <> = complaint submitted; spare the musicians your categorizations/cul-de-sacs, comrade. = <> == Words, inadequate to describe music "or anything else?" i'll just let this one stew a bit.....oy..... == <> == 'idiosycrasies'? which comes _first_ here, folx? the music? the 'idiosyncratic' semantics? the cul-de-sac? === sub-sub-sub-fooey!, is what this one says: a) _like_ it. or b) _don't_ like it "<>" == "you are your own censor. > if you dont like what i say, you have choice. > you can turn me off====" > --ALICE COOPER, "lay down and die, goodbye" '70 > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 13:03:23 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:03:23 EDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 11:52, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: [lots of good ranting snipped] > i kinda think doug ( AP) walker wouldnt care too much about this quest > for the proper semantics; i know i bloody _dont_ care. shoot, twixt > he and moi there's, like, over 50 years experience...and we'll be > onstage together, at the risk of improper semantics, 7/1 at > mandelbrot, when m'sieu walker joins us as part of das ludicroix. > Hey I forgot about this gig. Is this the one in CT? Can you re-post the specifics? theo From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Jun 13 13:48:19 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:48:19 +0200 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND files Message-ID: Hi Folks ! I did it again ;-))) Well, I have photgraphed all my 22 HAWKWIND T-Sirts (yes, front and back) and transfered them into JPG-Format. The complete filesize is about 9,5 MB I have also JPG-Files from all my HAWKWIND-tickets (227 tickets). The complete filesize is about 28 MB I'll transfer all files (T-SHIRTS, POSTERS and TICKETS) onto a CD-R for those of you who wants to do a serious trade Let me know cheers Bernhard From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 14:01:20 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:01:20 EDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 8:54:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > 'idiosycrasies'? which comes _first_ here, folx? the music? the > 'idiosyncratic' semantics? the cul-de-sac? > === > Music, natch, but since we're "talking" about it here, not listening to it... > sub-sub-sub-fooey!, is what this one says: > > a) _like_ it. or > b) _don't_ like it --well then how the hell is someone supposed to write a review or recommend a band?? Believe it or not, some people are just trying to help musicians, not "cul-de-sac" them. Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 14:20:28 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:20:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Mandelbrot Festival, 6/30 - 7/1 E. Hartford, CT. Message-ID: By Request: well, with any luck the link shows up, and y'all can find out all about Mandelbrot, at the Nebula Trip site, from the band puttin' on the fest. "<>" Nebula Trip Page From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 13 14:19:30 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:19:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave Brock/Hawkwind Message-ID: This period of the band could be the most exciting with lot's of Hawkwind off-shoots, a bit like Gong in fact. With lot's of members floating about and fluid line-ups and hopefully generating new and interesting music. Just as Gong functions best with Daevid Allen Hawkwind functions best with Dave Brock...this doesn't always means that he has to be there. Gong like Hawkwind went through a fallow period in the eighties but have stormed back since the 94 (partial) reunion....I hope that Hawkwind do the same and get it together. Fast...as Jimmy Page commented in a recent inerview re a Led Zep reunion with Plant, time marches on. Get it together while you are still able Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 15:01:41 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:01:41 EDT Subject: WAY OFF: lizzy lives? Message-ID: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: <<...and he said it was kickass!>> i'm sure it was! they are inarguably all great players playing great songs! <> no! and it never will; but call a cover band a cover band, not 'thin lizzy'! <> that's my opinion! if it were a 'real' band, perhaps they could write and perform their own songs? <> i do! <> that's what they want. and you're free to do it! it's not you i have an issue with, it's this charade. <<...plenty of more appropriate places to send your flames.>> if i'm flaming anyone i guess it's gorham & sykes. hey! that'd be a great name for their band, eh? <> nope. there are more one-time members involved in that, no? page and plant knew enough not to call their projects led zep. enough! i enjoy the enlightening discourse, as usual. now back to our show... rmayo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 13 13:52:00 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:52:00 +0100 Subject: HW - Language and the use of.... Message-ID: Just make up your own--that's what everyone else does! Actually, I know people complain about these genre-labels, incl. myself, but I think the more the better! Words are inadequate to describe music (or anything else for that matter) to begin with, but you definitely need 'em if you're gonna communicate, and the more of these sub-sub-sub-toinfinity-genre names there are, the more you indicate that most good music/bands has/have its/their own idiosyncrasies. ___________________________________ Hey - I make a career out of this - without blowing my own trumpet (a good trick if you can do it), I'm often told that my review catalogues make some of the finest reading around, whether you buy things or not, so I guess the language must be there somewhere.....but then I never did find out how you become a real journalist!!! a modest Andy Garibaldi. http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/highlite.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:43:54 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:43:54 -0700 Subject: HW: Jules Holland Message-ID: too much hype and gloss (sic~~~) in the studio i guess. Tim Gadd wrote: > At 02:50 AM 6/12/00 -0700, linuxchaos wrote: > >On second thoughts, > > > >Would he ever be the same (old julie I mean). > > > >But I do remember DB saying "no never" to an mtv unplugged. > > Couldn't he just think of it as busking? > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:44:47 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:44:47 -0700 Subject: HW:James Last Message-ID: did he sing it? Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > Hi all, Found another James Last LP with "Silver Machine" on it.The > reason I find those items often is that some 15 secondhand dealers are > looking for Hawkwind & related stuff for me.Again the most I would > like is to swap. JAMES LASTNON STOP DANCING 1973POLYDOR 2371 > 319GERMANY best wishesfilip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:48:46 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:48:46 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: i guess only time will tell? flossbac wrote: > It's really strange, but doesn't it seem that these days Dave is the least > involved member of Hawkwind? I mean the rhythm section of HW is going off > on a USA tour without him, Nik is getting the reunion together without his > aid, etc? The majority of the new songs are written by other members. > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > John Majka > > > Yes......Nik Turner (the conscience of HW) is organising the reunion band > > from original members. > > I went to a Huw Lloyd Langton Acoustic Gig at the Greyhound Pub,Hendon on > > 9th June and spoke briefly with Huws wife on the subject. She enthused at > > the effort Nik was putting into the project and told me 5 dates have been > > set for September. The line up at present being....Nik Turner,Huw Lloyd > > Langton,Terry Ollis,Thomas Crimble,possibly Dikmik and hopefully Dave > > Brock(who has been invited to take part!). > > As for Lemmy......well he wants a bit more than money to take part in the > > reunion. In fact......he wants MEGABUCKS!!!!!! > > So it's probably best not to count on him being there.......the greedy ole > > sod! > > Personally, I think the reunion band will function fine without Lemmy. I > > just hope that 'the captain' does accept the invite,because without him > the > > motors would never have run as long as they have, and to me he symbolises > > the HW SOUND! > > From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:49:10 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:49:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: not age. Dan Witt wrote: > > > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > > More likely the effects of age. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:55:03 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:55:03 -0700 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND files Message-ID: again yes please - i will send an updated list. or new hw material - what do you need? Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi Folks ! > > I did it again ;-))) > > Well, I have photgraphed all my 22 HAWKWIND T-Sirts (yes, front and back) > and transfered them into JPG-Format. The complete filesize is about 9,5 MB > > I have also JPG-Files from all my HAWKWIND-tickets (227 tickets). > The complete filesize is about 28 MB > > I'll transfer all files (T-SHIRTS, POSTERS and TICKETS) onto > a CD-R for those of you who wants to do a serious trade > > Let me know > > cheers > Bernhard From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 00:55:59 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:55:59 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: cant agree more! ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > > > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > > > > > > More likely the effects of age. > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone entertained > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I think > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, look > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, methinks...... > Andy Garibaldi. From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 01:08:51 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:08:51 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- @ALBUM: lyric.book Hawkwind Lyric Book All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. @SONG: 5/4 I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it There's no question about it My mind is going I can feel it Oh no, my mind is going..... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: 25 YEARS ( - Brock - ) Went to school, I studied and I got my G.C.E. My City and Guilds and my Sky Diary But it didn't do me no good Didn't like my looks So I burnt my books Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by 25 years, 25 years I started out one day and I worked in a factory My mind went blank I needed a battery Didn't do no good I got the sack, my work was slack They said there's life up there in the galaxy The world in collision There's people with an allergy 25 years of, 25 years of, 25 years of social research Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by 25 years, 25 years ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Adjust Me City black, encase the time World full of men, who all are blind Who walk and talk and say as one: "Androids are we", their tune o sun Adjust me Adjust me Adjust me..... ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Aerospaceage Inferno A flight of steel eagles tearing by The ripped silk screaming of the rended sky Flame on through sound and make time fly What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Fly through the ground like a circus hound Through the burning hoop in just one bound So not even your ashes will be found What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Set the controls for the heart of the Earth The silver machine's worth more than you're worth But the phoenix soul is bound for rebirth What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ANGELS OF DEATH ( - Brock - ) We're angels of life, we're angels of death We're born to blaze a nuclear way through space A way out of the waste that held the human race We're angels of life, we're angels of death We are the dead who are never led We are the warriors at the edge of time We lurk inside your brain, hide inside your minds We're angels of life, we're angels of death We stalk the city streets to kill all we meet Nostrils flare awhile, it makes you want to smile We're born to erase, all of your days _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Angel Voices Final adjustment to timing sequences for the master control system Main engine check Proton drive unit: PDU meter reads level Linear acceleration module: LAM meter reads level Crystal absorption unit: CAU meter reads level Vector thrust module: VTM meter reads level Vector Activity: Vector activity reading is on scope at minus oh two one point seven Readjustment reccommended Vector activity reading level Flight deck computer check complete Passenger module computer check: Dream Sequencing - functions activated. ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Arrival In Utopia We dreamed of golden shining towers Of lazy days and thrilling hours Fields of wonder, streets so fair Of amber ships which sailed, through the air Dreamed of steel and glass and wire Of days of wine and nights of fire Dreamt of dogs that talked like boys Of girls who flew, of unnamed joys And now our dreams are true We don't know what to do For we don't like it here There's nothing for us to fear Bored mindless in Utopia ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ASSAULT AND BATTERY ( - Brock - ) Lives of great men all remind us we may make our lives sublime And departing leave behind us footprints in the sands of time Of hewn stones the sacred circle where the wizened sages sat Let us try to remember all the times where they were at. So your thoughts they were expecting assault and battery on the human anatomy Assault and battery on the human anatomy man. _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Awakening I would rather the fire storms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dreams, into the starkness of the capsule. Where two of our crew still lay suspended cool in their tombs of sleep. Those nagging choirs of memory the tubes and wires worming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut Such midwifery is but one function of the leader here Floating in a sac of fluid dark A clear century of space Away from Earth While one man stares from the trauma of his birth Attending to the hypno-tapes Assuring him that this was reality however grim Our journey's end Landing itself was nothing We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind And left a galaxy of dreams behind..... ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Back in the Box Back in the box, shut in the dark Falling apart Digging the dirt Hiding the hurt Locked in a dream What does it mean? Shut in the box Too many locks Back in the box, back in the box Back in the box, back in the box Counting down Twisting round See behind your back Counting down Twisting round See behind your back ....behind your back [ x 7 ] Locked in dreams What does it mean? Shut in a box There's too many locks Shut in a box There's too many locks Round and round Round and round and round I see you Hanging there Switch on the TV, look at the screen Money for a Rolls or a washing machine You pay your money and you pay your rent Every day it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same You look out your window and it starts to rain Someone is saying it's time to die Send us some money and I'll tell you why I pay my stamps and I pay my tax I daren't stop working and that's a fact But all I see on the TV screen Is starving kids and war machines Is this what i've been taught in school? Is education the golden rule? the golden rule the golden rule....... Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BE YOURSELF ( - Brock - ) Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me Be yourself, see yourself Try and find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself Be yourself, see yourself I can't find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BLACK CORRIDOR ( - Moorcock - ) Space is infinite, it is dark Space is neutral, it is cold Stars occupy minute areas of space They are clustered a few billion here And a few billion there As if seeking consolation in numbers Space does not care, space does not threaten Space does not comfort It does not speak, it does not wake It does not dream It does not know, it does not fear It does not love, it does not hate It does not encourage any of these qualities Space cannot be measured, it cannot be angered, it cannot be placated It cannot be summed up, space is there Space is not large and it is not small It does not live and it does not die It does not offer truth and neither does it lie Space is a remorseless, senseless, impersonal fact Space is the absence of time and of matter ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BLACK ELK SPEAKS ( - Brock/Black Elk - ) Grandfather, Great Mysterious One, you have been always, and before you nothing has been. There is nothing to pray to but you. The star nations all over the universe are yours. And yours are the grasses of the earth. Day in Day out, you are the light of things. You are older than all weeds. Older than all things on Earth. Grandfather, all over the world the faces of living things are all alike. In tenderness they have come above the ground. Look upon your children with children in their arms, that they may face the winds and walk the good road to the day of quiet. Teach me to walk the soft earth, a relative to all that is! Sweeten my heart and fill me with life. Give me the strength to understand, and the eyes to see. Help me for without you I am nothing. Hetchetu aloh! In your throat is a living song A living spirit song His name is long life maker Yes, I'm here to heal With the healing ways Of the magic of the ground And the magic of the earth So go on my friend And sing with the healing spirit With the magic of the ground With the magic of the earth And you will spring to life Through the power of the words Through the magic of the ground Through the magic of the earth ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BORN TO GO ( - Brock - Calvert - ) We were born to go, we're never turning back We were born to go, and leave a burning track We were born to go, and leave no star unturned We were born to grow, we were born to learn We're breaking out of the shell, we're breaking free We're hatching our dreams into reality We were born to blaze a new clear way through space A way out of the maze, that held the human race We were born to go, as far as we can find We were born to go, to blow the human mind _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BRAINBOX POLLUTION ( - Brock - ) Well my body's burning up And I'm feeling so bad And I think it must be something that I've just had Screaming sounds are buzzing through my brain Am I mad or am I sane? I can't control my body anymore It's reaching down into the very core I've gotta find a way of solving the solution Is this what they call brainbox pollution? Take my hand, I'll lead you on To learn so far, my dreams your own Is this world that we all find It's leaving us so far behind ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: BRAINSTORM ( - Turner - ) Sanding on the runway waiting for takeoff, I wanna fly, wanna watch me flake off, I can't move 'cause the man has a rake off, you gotta help me, help me to shake off, This body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, This body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, This body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. I can't get no peace until I get into motion, Sign my release from this planet's erosion, Paranoia police have sussed out my potion, You gotta help me or there'll be an explosion in this body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, this body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, this body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Bring It On Home Well, I bought my ticket And I got my load And the conductor yelled Now all aboard Well, I take my seat And I sit right back And I watch That train go down the tracks Said Baby I said Baby Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Changing I will adjust this thing in here.. We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you............. Now you must be me Our system's fine, we'll soon see You'll have no cause to worry now Just play your part in the show _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: CHILDREN OF THE SUN ( - Turner - Anderson - ) The golden age of the future comes That which was dreamed of in the past Where freedom reigns on minds of peace Minds rich in wisdom to the last We are the children of the sun and this is our inheritance No longer chaos and confusion But love and laughter Song and dance _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Choose Your Masks They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been left up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the form that you have chosen Can entirely fill your mind For the mask you have selected Stands for Chaos or for Law And you cannot take it off now 'til you're no longer in the War And the Masks of War are grinning And from under them you howl Out the slogans of the part you play for the Battle's starting now Choose your Masks The ranks are forming Choose your Masks The day is dawning Choose your Masks And choose the side that you'll be on And learn the words of your new song For the Battle will be long.....so long........ _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Coded Languages (Bainbridge, Moorcock) Investigate the meaning of your sentence What is it telling you ? Where does it begin and where does it end ? Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders What do they want from you ? A rendezvous upon the sound The cars rev up the word goes round The words are weapons of their will Their words can hurt Their words can kill A burning phrase can burn a town A syllable can bring you down Their languages are coded Your image is eroded Listen to the sound you heard Learn to fight against their word Vocabularies of death Destruction in their breath They use the lie They use the myth Seek only to confuse And liberty abuse The lies they tell are pretty And blow up another city They steal away your freedom And your love Their sentimental calling signs Are calculatingly designed To rob you of your mind and time And still you listen to The lulling drone of reassuring voices Tunes to take away your choices Make you slaves to fancy words and phrases Until you're pushing up the daisies They steal away your freedom and your love _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Confrontation I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY During 1985 the activities of alternative groups such as the "Peace Convoy" posed a number of serious public order problems for the Police. In particular a voilent confrontation took place at Hardcastle, Wiltshire on Sunday 1st June when a convoy of 170 vehicles was being driven towards Stonehenge at the time of the summer solstice celebrations, in clear defiance of injunctions which were in force. When the hippies were stopped, by a roadblock, from proceeding further, they entered a nearby village where a voilent confrontation with the Police took place and 420 persons were arrested. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY "It is clear to me that the problem is not going to go away. Nor do I believe it is going to be solved by the approach of `Shhot them, gas them, and send them back to the cities where they came from.'" ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND USED IN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU _____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Curse of Man We have despoiled the Earth and our women are dishonoured With our weapons we have melted every gateway to salvation We thought ourselves safe in our armour and our masks And so we saved ourselves, it's true, for our damnation We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We refused to hear the outrage of reason's daughters The anger of unwarlike sons which crossed our waters The pleadings of the innocents, the moral arguments To moderation, generosity, kindness and consent We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We raised a genocidal flag, imperial and boastful flag Raised a standard of contempt, and mounted on a boney nag, Became the herald of apocalypse, the enemies of women; The vicious harvesters of souls; Death's chuckling children We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man........ _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Damage of Life I wonder around the streets so lonely and empty Lost in a crowd, but I can't hide Is there a place where I can escape to? A desert island where I can die The Damage of Life is neverending There is no escape and we can't hide Maybe our time is up, but we don't want to Face up to facts there is little that is life I see the pain, but do not face it Breathlessly peering on a broken plate Mirror, Oh Mirror is there any answer? But the mirror drops smashing our fate __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: DAMNATION ALLEY ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) I've got the serum and I'm going to take it All the way to Boston, oh I've got to get through The going won't be easy, but I'm going to make it It's the only thing that I'm cut out to do Ride the post-atomic radioactive trash The sky's on fire from that nuclear flash Diving through the burning hoop of doom in an eight wheeled anti-radiation tomb Thank you Dr. Strangelove for going do-lally and leaving me the heritage of Damnation Alley, Damnation Alleyway No more Arizona, now Phoenix is fried up Oklahoma City what a pity it's gone Louisiana delta where the Mississip's dried up No more Chatanooga, Cherokee, Lexington Radiation wasteland, radiation wasteland Ashes coming at me now, craters coming at me now Radiation wasteland, I've got my anti-radiation machine Thank you Dr. Strangelove, I said thank you Dr. Strangelove For giving me the ashes and post-atomic dust The sky is raining fishes it's a mutation zoo Going down Damnation Alley, well good luck to you Good luck to you now Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Going down Damnation Alley it's one hell of a mess ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Dangerous Visions Night sky and city Keeps us in Life signs of pity weep within Games of reality are hard to win The child of the Third World looks so thin Dangerous visions, taunt me Ancient memories, haunt me Future decisions, confuse me The story so far just eludes me The man on the pavement catches your eye You look in amazement, he's decided to die The crowd have engagements, they're just passing by The child of the Third World, is wondering why ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Dark Lords I have turned Zarozinia into a giant slug Elric You will no longer mate with women like her We will have the Sword from you Elric One way or the other, it makes no difference Look at him scurry backwards and forwards The poor little wretch does not know which way to turn Ah, we've got him this time That is unless we turn into a worm, a slithering worm Give us Stormbringer Your spells are no good now Go on Elric, look into your baubles You will find that we are right You will find that you have to give it to us _____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: DAYS OF THE UNDERGROUND ( - Brock - Calvert - Shaw - ) In visions of acid we saw through delusion and brainbox pollution, we knew we were right. The streets were our oyster, we smoked urban poison and we turned all this noise on, we knew how to fight. We dropped out and tuned in, spoke secret jargon and we would not bargain for what we had found in the days of the underground. We believed in Guevera, we saw that head held up and our anger welled up, but we kept it cool. No need for machine guns 'cause the system was crumbling, our leaders were fumbling, while we broke every rule. We saw them on T.V. they'd blown their cover and we tried to smother their voices with sound, in the days of the underground. Whatever happened to those chromium heroes, are there none of them still left around, since the days of the underground? Now we can look back at the heroes we were then, we made quite a stir with our sonic attack, street-fighting dancers, the assassins of silence, with make-believe violence, on a hundred watt stack. They offered us contracts, we said "we don't need 'em", we'll just take our freedom and will not be bound in the days of the underground. And some of us made it but not smiling Michael, his black motorcycle got eaten by rust. And John the Bog dreamt that he slept at the wheel, but when he woke it was real, too late to have sussed. And Jeff was a poet who wrote with a spray can on walls, saying "Hey man, I believe that we've drowned" in the days of the underground. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Dealing with the Devil Now, my baby got excited about a little ring But our marriage didn't mean a thing I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't love me no more I got the meanest woman man has ever seen She sleeps with a knife in her hand Lord, she fights all in her dreams I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more Now I ain't going down ain't by myself If I can't take you girl, I'll take someone else I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: DEATH TRAP ( - Brock - Calvert - ) In the back of my neck I can feel a strange sensation Feels like I'm heading for the crisis of all creation Only those with death wish understand my situation Feels like Jesus Christ heading for the stations of the cross, in my death trap, death trap Running in my death trap, death trap Chicken running in my death trap, death trap Heading for the crossroads of fiery crucifixion Lighting up the night sky with bitterness distinction While I hold the wheel of fate, smell of burning friction I feel like a hero heading for extinction It's the shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down Crank shaft cracking up Oil pressure going down Brake drums blowing out Tyres on fire now Differential seize up, unbalanced cam shaft Worn out pistons rings, brake fade, brake fade hydraulic leak out, radiator overheat Monkey on elastic, going up and down Shell of steel or plastic, turning round Shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down __________________________________________________________________________ THE DEMISE Arioch I summon thee Lord of the Seven Darks Arioch I summon thee Put fire in my heart Arioch I summon thee Can you hear my plea Arioch I summon thee In my hour of need _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Disintegration (Brock) Is this the time gone before Is this the way ? No I'm not sure Can I stop is it too late Is this the place where I disintegrate _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT ( - Brock - ) Down down and down, down down and down As we spin through the night With ever increasing might Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound Into the blackness we drown Round round and round, round round and round As we lay in our sleep The appointment we keep Down down and down, down down and down Only the rushing is heard Onward flies the bird Deep, deep, and deep, must we sink in our sleep Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Dragons and Fables I am the child of wars never won Take heed prisoner, I am the One Your battle is over before it began For a child on the run, I am free Many tournaments fought in this land Flying banners now dashed in the sand The colours you wear will not keep me For a child on the run, I am free The courts and knights of the table Bold stories of dragon and fable Your sword is red-stained I can see For a child on the run, I am free Silk, satin, and riches in plenty Acres of land, four and twenty I am not you, I am me For a child on the run, I am free ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Dreaming City Gleaming towers that touch the sky Ancient turrets catch the eye You stand so proud Coloured walls that shine so bright A monument to truth and light You carry on Yet fate is working so to bring you down Peopled by a master race But living lives so cruel, so base Unconquered souls Their master knows not how to rule Dark forces use him as their tool He carries on And fate is working fast to bring him down Dreaming City your light is fading Amidst the chaos that now is reigning Uncaring beings come soon to raze your tall, fair towers to set ablaze So fate is working fast to bring you down _____________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Dream Worker I have come. But I do not choose now, to do what I came to do. Navigation Computer report: Orbital status now maintained. Target zone vectors logged in. The Tube is now ready. Please swallow your blue Dreamer and place the helmet on your head. Can you hear the lights approaching? There's a sudden rush of sound You laugh but no-one's joking The Dreamer's turned you round And now there's no distraction You've slipped the noose of fate Your dreams are now in colour You've reached your future state You've reached your future state You've reached your future state...... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: D-RIDER We're children playing in the sun A sense of freedom on the run We never knew what time it was We just knew how sublime it was Our course determined by our stars My momma knows just where we are The Earth was falling from below A dragon showed which way to go Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing Our luck, it changes with the tide Our constellations changing side Macro mirror-image fades Our over-conscience colour shades We're astral-planing, floating free On our continuum frequency A ring was formed out of the stone Metamorphose, tetraphone Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Burning up by burning out Looking up and gazing ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: DUST OF TIME ( - Brock - Bainbridge - Lloyd-Langton - ) Waiting in the valley of all creation Calling out a song for the state of the nation I am son born of father never related Frozen in a bank of ice essence liberated Looking from the future into the past Footprints of awareness approaching so fast Queues of sterile mothers waiting for inspection Populace diminished everywhere there is rejection Dust of time caught in your eye A fleeting glimpse gone in a sigh ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Earthed to the Ground Delicate, slimline, sturdy wood Got my hi-fi, as I should Video cassette is what I need Record my favourite programs on TV Separate slider, tone control Extra speaker with bass and roll Audio spectrum, sonic swirl Computer next with buttons to twirl Super giant TV screen Then a camera to take pictures of me I get my girlfriend to come round To freak her out with raucus sounds My automatic camera then will spy As on the bed now we would lie Educational programmes flash on the screen Where moments before, we had been I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground.... I have good news A Prince has been born and some say he will be King. I told them it was a boy instead of telling them the truth that it was a girl. Only a few people know Let me propose a toast to Silverland and its new King (laughter). ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Ejection There's only one course of action Left for me to take I've tried every switch selection That might control this state I think for my protection I better make it straight Into Ejection Better tell Base Ejection That I think it's a case For Ejection Explode into Space Ejection Protect my Face Ejection The radar screen's projection Tells me I'm too late To make a course correction I'm about to meet my fate No time for reflection I'd better make it straight Into Ejection Bust through the sky Ejection The air rushing by Ejection It's a case of goodbye Ejection I'm too fast to die Ejection When a ship meets with destruction The Captain stays to drown But no tin contraption Is going to drag me down My reference intersection Tells me that I'm bound For Ejection Eight times my weight Ejection I've got to escape Ejection Only one move to make Ejection Abandon this crate Ejection __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ELRIC THE ENCHANTER The song he sang was surfaces Nothing deeper than a child knows He could sing sand into pearls So the saying goes Some said he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The dream will soon turn sour Sprawling in a Ruby Throne Head cupped in his hands The lord of dragons, Elric's thoughts Were of quests to far off lands A black sword was at his side Murmuring in its scabbard cold Waiting for the moment to arrive To drink the very essence of soul He did not know that the sword he'd hold Would turn his priceless empire into fool's gold The truth, the shadow of the sword will hide Til it's too late, a traitor at his side And as he gazes from his ruby throne He's growing restless of the life he's sown To get away, embark on a quest And put his powers of sorcery to the test The drugs he takes to keep himself awake lose their effect, he can no longer wait To find the sword and gain more power And make his move before the dream turns sour __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: FABLE OF A FAILED RACE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Our legends tell we came from a seed That travelled at a whirlwind speed Til' it came to rest upon this land That once was green and is now all sand That buried us up to our eyes And made us watchers of the skies Til' the shadow wings came for our sight And left us to conspire with night. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Fahrenheit 451 In Lexington they're going to burn The Library of Congress for charity Round it's funeral pyre the flames will churn As night and winter's darkness spurn And threaten with their clarity See the flames they're burning up Burning so bright, Fahrenheit Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Oh see the pages all catching fire See the building shimmering now It was like this when witches reared Against the stake, we stood and peered At such Aladin's caves of air Oh I wish you could have seen us there Spreading all around that funeral pyre Watching the flames burn higher and higher Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The burning has just begun It's like a mushroom cloud on a sun Fahrenheit 451 The fire's fierce theatre draws herds of folk All willing to be hypnotised Anemones of flames and smoke Enchant us so we gladly choke Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Fall of Earth City News had drifted on the wind of many minds that this was to be an occassion of great importance. For it was said by some that Earth City had somehow uncovered a single time sleeper from the time before. Although the cryptic writings upon his tomb were now faded beyond decipherable reading, it was said, by the disembodied members of the ruling kind, that the entombed was from that time on Earth before the city stretched its metal web from pole to pole leaving green things only in the wells of immortal minds. Upon the third revolution after its arrival, the tomb that slept without life was removed for inspection. The day was programmed for a clear dome above, with a mild breeze wafting from the central weather post. Below, throngs of class three occupants were gathering from various sectors to observe the opening. As per standard procedure, their data input stations were fed appropriate propaganda so that their reports would coincide with what the rulers had predetermined. And so it was upon that day of opening, his spirit did appear and confuse once again. It was evident to all that what lay within was not of mortal composure. Thoughts emanating from deep within its dimensionless cave conveyed this belief to all within the medi-dome. What is this apparition now amongst our kind? Quickly thereafter, all pressure was released from within the stillness. Earth City, unknowingly at that time, was about to enter a new phase of its existence. Violent quaking began to shake the towers of sector 63. Manifestations of melting spead its wings over the structure until once again, ancient soil kissed the sky. And the beginning of the end swept all that was into its eternal grasp. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: FIFTH SECOND OF FOREVER ( - Brock - ) There's a circle on a paper High a planet in the sky >>From the dust which will not settle Hours is the time you lie Trace your finger in the cluster, you've found the cause which is called must Remember always you are nothing, though others say that you must suss, you must trust the new messiah ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: First Landing on Medusa Full Waking took us days to realise Adjusting to the newness of our eyes We stayed inside, performing simple tasks Hardly speaking, faces set like masks Until the time came round for us to set The first feet on this world, to get our samples, and erect the instruments A barren planet, but to all intents Another Eden opening its gates For this chosen few who'd outslept their fates Anonymous, identical in our suits We entered the airlock. My weighted boots would be the first to touch this unknown stone I led some distance, then, I felt alone So I turned and saw, that the others were standing still, I radio'd to make them stir but got no answer. So I waved my arm But they still stood as though a stoning charm had taken hold. I made my slow way back And found each man had frozen in his track I hammered my gloved fist on visor-plate And pulled at pressure-padded arms. A state of utter trance had overtaken all my men My mouth felt dry, my fingers stiff, and then..... _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: FLYING DOCTOR ( - Calvert - Brock - ) He sneaks through the door of the surgery He's got the drug cabinet key, he did something funny and tied up his arm It's just the flying doctor, no cause for alarm He sprinkled out a powder, and spread out a line He sniffed it up his nostrils, and he's feeling so fine Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying His receptionist saw him, it certainly shocked her She said "Look out, you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor" Out in the outback there's been an outbreak And the Flying Doctor's got nothing to take He went to the cabinet and the cabinet was bare He's so outraged and you can see by his stare Called up his mates on the radio, he said "My supplies are running low" They're running low you can see where they go. They're running low I see where they go Out in the outback with my merciful claptrap Look out you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor He's got the cabinet key, the cabinet key, the cabinet key "This is the Flying Doctor calling Wallarolla back. Will the base come in please? I want to talk to you about my drugs situation... He's as drunk as a Kangaroo's Carbeurator" Cabinet key Wake up one, two, three, four A Sheilah in the bush by a Koolah bar tree needing an urgent appendectomy The Flying Doctor like a true Australian, performed the operation with a saltine can, he made a rough incision and tried to chew it out, he had no anaesthetic So she started to shout, she started to shout. When he was chewing it out. She started to shout and tried to chew him right out, balled up his fist and scientifically socked her Look out you'd better duck. Here comes the Flying Doctor. Cabinet key, cabinet key, cabinet key... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: FREE FALL ( - Calvert - Bainbridge - ) Before you jump you wear the frown of someone who is stalling There's no up there's only down The other fear of falling All you need to do is take One step into the sky Give yourself to gravity Give death another try In free fall, free fall The wind'll take your frightened face And force your mouth to smile While destiny is on your case The gods look up your file The clouds are coming at you Like a host of angels wings For thirty seconds of freedom squared You've cut the puppet strings In free fall, free fall __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: THE GOLDEN VOID ( - Brock - ) The golden void speaks to me denying my reality I lose my body, lose my mind, I blow like wind, flow like wine Down a corridor of flame, will I fly so high again Is there something wrong with me, I cannot hear, I cannot see Down a corridor of flame So you think the time is past, the life you lead will always last Chaotic fusions of your soul, down below that rocky knowle Through the clouds an open sky, the wind flows through your watering eyes The sounds are pitched to draw you on your never ending journey on The edge of time, the edge of time, the edge of time _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: GOOD EVENING Good Evening Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" (eight times) Just cause it has been ?easy? __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Green Finned Demon: He Draws the moon towards him With a wand of whales' bone The submarine magician is returning to his home His slow hair floats around him And his cloack spreads like a flower The submariner has the oceans in his power Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down He speaks the bubbing language Of everything that swims He knows the eightfold secret Of the Octopus's limbs His skin is silver scales And his hair is green as weed His eyes are phosporescent A sea-horse for his steed Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down Captain Nemo knew him In his underwater deep He understands the meaning Of the dolphins' joyful leap Green finned demon take me down ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Hassan I Sabha Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashishin Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Death unto all infidels, in oil Guide us o thou genie of the smoke Lead us to a thousand and one nights In the perfumed gardens of delight Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petrol-D'allah Petrol-D'allah Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petro-dollar It is written in the soul of the desert It is written in the signs in the stars It is written in the sands of the hour-glass It is written It is written in the eye of the falcon It is written in the shade of the scorpion It is written in the wealth of the sun It is written It is written that man's truth is a mirage It is written that death is an oasis It is written for all unbelievers It is written _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Hawkwind (Dumpy's Rusty Nuts with Dave Brock) And in the fullness of time, The Prophecy must be fullfilled. The Hawklords return to smite the land and the Dark Forces shall be scourged. Peace shall come to everyone, for is it not written that the sword is the key to Heaven and Hell. It's eighteen years since they were formed >>From the land of thought where they were spawned The realm of the Hawk is soon to show Silver wings for you to go Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine To save you for the Sonic Attack The Angels of Light take you back To Utopia where thinking's a crime So you can be in paradise Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine Adjust me, adjust me, adjust me, adjust me In search of space the sundown came The runways laid in your brain Storm into the dark of light 451 Fahrenheit Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: HEADS Limits of the infinite Have never been defined A spirit lies in atrophy In a state to late to unwind Trophies on the back shelves Procreating all our race Ideals of our fantasies On which all things are based Collecting every prospect Running through your tests With manikin expressions They end up like the rest In glass booths they're wired With needles in their flesh They're pickled for posterity And eternally refreshed So link yourself to others Talk yourself to sleep It's all so superficial No use for you to weep (seven times) So place your trust in science For it has come so far Well, Necromancy lives forever Preserved within a jar (repeat six more times) ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: High Rise Flat block Of two dimensions Neon totem pole to the sky Keeping scores of people stacked up so high Above the ground But all they can hear is the sound Of the wind in the antennae It's a human zoo A suicide machine Childhood Of concrete cube shaped A flypaper stuck with human life Caged up rage Swarming all the time Tear out the telephones Rip up the pages of directories And wreck all these High speed lifts and elevators Be a sabotage rebel without a cause High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block Starfish Of human blood shape Tentacles of human gore Spread out on the pavement from the 99th floor Well somebody said that he jumped But we know he was pushed He was just like you might have been On the 99th floor of a suicide machine High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: HORN OF DESTINY Yet year on year the greedy tide Swelled from the west unsatisfied And ever with impatient fret Gnawed at the human banquet And many with madness in their eyes Stared gibbering at the white hot skies Where foul birds circled overhead Shadowing the living and the dead Southward to where the blood red sun Sickens at noon in vapours dun He stumbles with the fear-tamed herds Of savage beasts While homeless birds fly overhead _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: HURRY ON SUNDOWN ( - Brock - ) Well hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Well it may bring war Any old thing Well look into your mind's eye See what you can see There's hundreds of people like you and me. _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: IMAGES ( - Brock/Davey/Wishart - ) Memories surround them Walking through the door Smells of dust and summer heat Embroidering his thoughts The seeing hand The face of fate The shifting scenes I can't explain The crazy fool who screams his pain As he tries to cheat life's final game Whispering from the balcony Fingers in the hall The well worn path of alternity Appearing here once more It's gone now It's gone now Twist the soul Turn Flesh to stone The fear and the anger Of the lost and alone Endless dreams of wasted days Slowly fade away Laughter echoes bitterly There's no need to stay __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: INFINITY ( - Calvert - Brock - ) I used to be of human kind, I had a life to lead But now I'm frozen in a dream My life is lost it seems She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity Infinity so beautiful Has turned my soul to ice And crystallized eternity For all my future time She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity I met her in a forest glade Where starbeams grew like trees I did not take her for a witch She wasn't what she seemed She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: In the Egg We live in the Egg We live in the Egg We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings and the christian names of our enemies We are being hatched Whoever is hatching us is hatching our pencils as well Set free from the Egg one day, at once we shall draw a picture of whoever is hatching us We assume that we're being hatched We imagine some good natured fowl and write school essays about the colour and creed of the hen that is hatching us When shall we break the shell? Our prophets inside the Egg, for a middling salary, argue about the period of incubation The posit a day called "X" Out of boredom and genuine need, we have invented incubators We are much concerned about our offspring inside the Egg We should be glad to recommend our patent to whom looks after us But we have a room full of hardheads, senile chimps, polyglot embryos chatter all day and even discuss their dreams But what if we're not being hatched? What if the shell will never break, if the horizon is only that of our scribbles, and always will be? We hope that we're being hatched Even if we only talk of hatching there remains the fear that someone outside the shellwill feel hungry and crack us into the frying pan with a pinch of salt What then my brethren inside the Egg? _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: In the Office I am so distant And so cold I've lived too long And I'm so old I've tried so many distant ways I've watched each one of them delayed I can't expound for the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march Mirrored shades of the Patriarch Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to the computer screens Fingers raised - "must finish the scene" Techno-droppings don't exist Within these walls we can't resist _____________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Into the Realms Long ago these un-neutered skies Told our race a tortured lie The winds had borne them across the land Their existence still dust in our hands Our voices cackled in their ears Could not abate all of their fears The seas had frothed and flashed to steam Their flesh was scalded for one human's dream A human's dream A human's dream ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: IT'S SO EASY ( - Brock - ) Try to understand it, though it's very hard to to see The reason that we are living, no longer seems to be Revolution's coming the chaos will soon end We've reached the age of learning You'll see it in the end. It's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy To say what you say, do what you want It happened today no matter what They say this world's so mixed up everywhere you go Everywhere you go, everywhere you go, everywhere you go _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, nocturnal outlaw Daemon of darkness, brother to the night Jack of Shadows, what's he hanging out for? King of the dimensions, the other side of light And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, cloak of constellations Draped around his body, blanking out his face Jack of Shadows, don't believe in God, he steals from the future, fades without a trace And when the flames flare Flickering forms of velvet dark He plays his games there It's only Jack of Shadows, he's lit up by a spark To run into the umbra , as fast as a shark Jack of Shadows, ultravoilet eyesight Giving him the vision that cats-eye infrared Jack of Shadows, watch him as he flies right Through all of the umbras, quicker than the dead And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows....... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Joker at the Gate People function, dreaming their dreams. People function, scheming their schemes People function, trusting to fate Looking for the Joker, but it's too late Is there still a moment somewhere That will surprise us with its tricks? I am the holder of seven dreams Faceless possessor of all life's schemes Through me you can laugh in the face of fate I am the Joker at your gate __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: KERB CRAWLER Single Mesh Gearbox Overhead Cam Mohair motorised wolf L-L-L-L-Looking for lambs Power-Assisted Steering 8-Track Stereo Leopard Skin Upholstery FM Radio Kerb Crawler White side walls with grooves Kerb Crawler So fast he hardly moves Kerb Crawler He really approves of Your high heels clicking Like a pair of cloven hooves Excuse Me Lady Are you looking for a lift? I ain't going nowhere special I'm just out on the drift I'll take you anywhere you want Drop you outside your door I might drive us down the Autobahn With my foot right to the floor Fandago insect in the skyscraper shade He's a night-city mantis In the neon parade Come on, come on ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: KINGS OF SPEED ( - Brock - Moorcock - ) Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed Between you and me Mr. C, I think we have what these boys need Step this way lads, it ain't no lie, Try your luck and be the human fly Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We're gonna take a tasty trip on Frank and Beasley's rocket ship The biggest attraction, the brightest star, boys you're going fast and far Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We guarantee you the sweetest ride You'll go so far you'll think you've died Step this way lads it ain't no lie Try your luck and reach the sky _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: LEVITATION ( - Brock - ) In the darkness I will shine, cast not shadows, not define I walk on water, float on air, there's no other to compare I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation There's no cause to start and scream, nor rub your eyes, this is no dream Although I sit upon this chair, I rise and float up in the air I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation Magnetic force, repel-attract, once it starts, there's no turning back I offer you this chance to learn, take it now there's no return _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Lighthouse Far Away in outer space A Lighthouse guiding star It's there to help you, human race and tell you where you are So take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see Cosmic sound and laser light Tools Lighthouse uses well It signals out across galaxies Where crystal people dwell And take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: LIVING ON A KNIFE EDGE ( - Brock - ) Everytime I go out, I think I'm bring checked out, Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections of a window whilst walking down the street Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms, and ID cards are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - Incubus We're living on a knife edge, looking for the ground ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: LOOKING IN THE FUTURE ( - ? - ) Lives of great men all remind us we may make our lives sublime And so departing leave behind us Footprints in the sands of time And with the writing I will show you Looking in the days beyond recall As I lecture back with the spirits of the other time I'm living in the future I'm looking in the future I'm living in the future Not a sound was heard No call came from the bird Only the carpet of green >>From towering trees was seen Where have they all gone? Why was there no song? I'm living in the future Looking at the past ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: LORD OF LIGHT ( - Brock - ) The elements that gather here upon this hill shall cast no fear Of lines that match across the world for travel which no man has ever heard The moon that shines its beam so bright of stones that measure the silvery light of energy that travels here it happens on the seventh year. A day shall come, we shall be as one Perhaps the Dying has begun >>From the realms beyond the sun here our lifetime has begun ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: LOST CHANCES ( - Brock - ) Crystal evenings, long ago, twisted winds and weeping snow We missed a turning in the past, is there anything that can last The race is run, the time is right, get out your gun it's time to fight And all our dreams just turn to dust, look to the future forget the past Mistakes you've made can't be redeemed, they are made because you dreamed a dream Honest sunsets turn to paint, the lie you tell becomes a taint The house you built reverts to dust, the sword you held it turns to rust The lies you tell destroy your will, the price you paid you're paying still And the rocks in the river grow higher and higher As the water gets lower and lower There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade, until we've paid ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Lost Johnny [incomplete] You only get a single chance The rules are very plain The truth is well concealed inside The details of the game You can see it coming You can hear it from afar It's pale and it flickers Like a faded movie star And up there in the castle They're trying to make us scream By sticking thumb tacks in her flesh And cancelling the dream Can you find the valium? Can you bring it soon? Lost Johnny's out there Baying at the Moon The time has come for you to choose You'd better get it right Berlin girls with sharp white teeth Are waiting in the night But you oughta really get some It surely can't be hard There's always trouble waiting When you leave your own back yard And underneath the city The alligators sing About how the puppets cannot dance Since someone cut the strings Run and get the morphine For God's sake make it brief Lost Johnny's out there Looking for relief Now Simon looks so evil And you know he really tries But every time he makes a play That vital number dies And Sally buys her underwear >>From a store where no-one goes She makes it big in photographs On the strength of what she shows And here inside the waiting room The radio still screams And we're all taking Tuenol To murder our young dreams Run and fetch your credit card Try to make it quick Lost Johnny's out there Trying to turn a trick ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MAGNU ( - Brock - ) Magnu, horse with golden mane, I want your help yet once again, Walk not the earth but fly through space as lightning flash or thunders race Swift as the arrow from the bow, come to me so that no one can know. Sunbeams are my shafts to kill all men who dare imagine ill, Deceit that fears the light of day fly from the glory of my ray, Good minds open and take new light until we diminish by the reign of night A burning brand was seen to fall, it lit the darkness of the hall, The flying hoofbeats circling in, come to me and let us spin. _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Make What You Can make what you can when you say Take what you can when you may I see it all through my eyes I see it all through these lies Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make Make what you can when you're takin' Take what you can when you're makin' Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make I see it all in your eyes I see it all through my eyes Make what you can when you take take what you can when you make Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Mark of Cain >>From war to war, hang up your swords And rest to heal their wounds But time has taught, without a thought Their guns will call the tune They say it is tha mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart Mostly blind, can't see the signs They stumble in the dark My eyes confused, our lives abused Just trying to make a mark They say it is tha mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart _____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE ( - Brock - Turner - ) I am the centre of this universe The wind of time is blowing through me And it's all moving relative to me, It's all a figment of my mind In a world that I've designed I'm charged with cosmic energy Has the world gone mad or is it me? I am the creator of this universe And all that it was meant to be So that we might learn to see This foolishness that lives in us And stupidity that we must suss How to banish from our minds If you call this living I must be blind. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Messengers of Morpheus He who finds to himself a joy And does not winged life destroy But he who kisses the joy as it flies Lives in an eternal sunrise Morpheus, Morpheus, Morpheus __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MICRO MAN ( - Calvert - Brock - ) It's the age of the Micro Man, who sees the detail but never the plan It's the time of the tiny creep, who pulls the levers while he falls asleep Twenty five years of social research It's the age of the insect man who pushes buttons and takes back the can It's the age of the Micro Man who sees the detail but never the plan Twenty five years of social research Twenty five years of social research _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MIRROR OF ILLUSION ( - Brock - ) In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out, But no-one feels the sound that I shout, And you don't hear me through the tears you've shed, and the dream-world that you've found will one day drag you down, The mirror of illusion reflects the smile, The world from your back door seems so wide, The house, so tiny it is from inside, A box that you're still living in, I cannot see for why You think you've found perception's doors, they open to a lie. ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Moonglum Moonglum, friend without a reason Moonglum, friend without a cause Embarrassed by a show of love But would stand by the man of the feeble blood This bond meant much more to him Than a kingdom offered by a queen No words for this silent trust As the Sword goes on to sate its lust Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through open skies See how the amazing steel bird flies Armies stand, soon to fall Sorcery is the tune they call Pitting wit against flesh and gall Timeless searching in timeless halls Walking out to meet his death To find this was no release Searching for some sort of ease Denying feelings that made him weak Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through open skies See how the amazing steel bird flies ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Motherless Children Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time, all that weeping and all that crying Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do, soon as she's happy turn her back on you Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can, so many things that father don't understand Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone _____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MOTORHEAD ( - Kilminster - ) Sunrise wrong side of another day Sky-high and six thousand miles away Don't know how long I've been awake Wound up in an amazing state Can't get enough and you know it's the righteous stuff Goes up like prices at Christmas, Motorhead You can call me Motorhead alright Brained out total amnesia Get some mental anaesthesia Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights If I can be wrong, I must be right All good clean fun, have another stick of gum Man you're looking better already, Motorhead Remember me now, Motorhead, alright Fourth day, five day marathon We're moving like a parallelogram Don't move, the morning's not a pretty sight I guess I'll see you on the ice outside I should be tired, and all I am is wired I Ain't felt this good for an hour Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: MOTORWAY CITY ( - Brock - ) Turning star projections, voices from the deep Throbbing of the engines, you exit from the heat Paper on the pavement, cars crawling in the road Emotions of the city, you ease your heavy load A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame A Motorway City, well you exit on the right Cruising on the highway, when you're driving through the night A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Narration I [from Live Chronicles] Elric's cousin Yrkoon has usurped his throne and has taken Elric, the weak one, prisoner. He places him on oard a ship and attempts to have him done away with. He has him thrown overboard, but Elric calls upon the Sea-King to help him. _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Narration II [from Live Chronicles] Some said he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The Lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The Dream will soon turn sour Seeking Stormbringer, the Stealer of Souls _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: NEEDLE GUN So you're alive, I thought you was done I'm gonna bring you down with my needle gun Feel my pin prick tattoo your spine Give it a minute, your life's entwined With mine Hear my laughter In your head It's a pity it's a shame Nothing's been said It's a vaccination joy With the ultimate death toy It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Neon Skyline Before my eyes, a neon skyline Colours drip, dimensions entwine Twisting matter, time and space Got to leave reality's waste Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >>From the conscience I changed my course, I had no choice I always listen to my inner voice Projecting auras used to create Escape into the next stargate Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >>From the conscience Before my eyes, a neon skyline Another trip, beyond the mind Senses swirling in my head As darkness falls upon the ledge Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >>From the conscience ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: New Jerusalem "Nor shall my sword rest in my hand 'til we have founded Jerusalem Here in Englands green and Pleasant Land" William Blake (1778) And here's this crystal city That is mapped out like the stars She's been waiting there for ages For us to give her force Some call her Ynnis Glytrr Crystal Isle to you or me So full of glowing emanations That you don't need eyes to see So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Pyramids and Stonehenge Are Ley lines to this place City of Revelations That governs inner space So now tune in your auras Let Solstice music sound And build New Age vibrations And feed them to the ground So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Light that shines through darkness For us, it's plain to see Our Cosmic generation Has power enough to be So find this inner vision And grasp it at the start And build a New Jerusalem Inside your loving heart And here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Tim Blake (1978) ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Night of The Hawk In all official circles Across this big wide world Between the radio stations A coded message heard No one knew the meaning All our efforts seem to fail But if they catch you listening Then they'll lock you up in jail So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk!" The wind was raging, and the stars were black We all knew there was no turning back The gates of Hell stared in our face Nowhere to hide in this wasted space The curious folk who chanced to stray across this downland way Heard the music blast apart The games that politicians start On English land the people dance Like moths caught in a lamp Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut All waiting to encamp So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk! ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Note From a Cold Planet There is ice everywhere now, from pole to pole And we live in a kind of miserable twilight Mining what we can of the food we left behind Mining for Campbell's Soup and Birds-Eye peas For Heinz baked Beans and sliced Kraft cheese Yes all the food is frozen now all the food is frozen now Last year we struck a forest two hundred feet below It was perfectly preserved. It was as though Some cryogenic process petrified it in time It seemed a shame to drag it up and burn it But we've no choice if we wish to stay alive Yes, all the trees are frozen now all the trees are frozen now There are fourteen of us left in our group today Three of these are women: warriors from Mandalay The others are from Africa, America, Japan The English cannibal is, of course, a man He claims it is the price he has to pay Yes, all our hearts are frozen now all our hearts are frozen now I know for certain there is earth below the snow The land we lost only a few short years ago When in our euphoric ferocity we loosed the fires No water could extinguish. A hundred billion funeral pyres Their fumes became our shroud. There's nowhere left to go Yes, all our hopes are frozen now all our hopes are frozen now We denied ourselves the right to walk upon the Earth To walk upon the surface of our Earth We denied our rites, the lore of ancient wisdom We can no longer walk upon the surface of our Earth Denied the facts of death and the facts of birth Yes, all our Future's frozen now all our Future's frozen now ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Now is the Winter of Our Discontent Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York And all the clouds that lower'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths Our bruised arms hung up for monuments Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings Our dreadful marches to delightful measures Grim-visag'd war hath smoothed his wrinkled front And now, instead of mounting barbed steeds To fright the souls of fearful adversaries He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber To the lascivious pleasing of a lute But I, that am not shap'd for sportive tricks Nor made to court an amourous looking-glass I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton, ambling nymph I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion Cheated of feature by dissembling nature Deform'd, unfinished, sent before my time Into this breathing world, scarce half made up And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them Why I in this weak piping time of peace Have no delight to pass away the time Unless to see my shadow in the sun And descant on mine own deformity And therefore since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams [opening speech in Richard III] Can I do this, and cannot get a crown? Tut! were it further off, I'll pluck it down [Gloster (later Richard III) in Henry VI Part III act iii scene 2] ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Nuclear Drive Before I had time to think about it And right before my eyes The machine had landed and the doors were open wide I stepped inside the spaceship, a voice said "Take a seat man, do you want to cruise the Universe to where no one else has ever been?" With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive Bur before I could answer The ship began to rise I looked out of the porthole And felt most peculiar inside Take me up the skyways Show me what you've seen I want to cruise the universe in your superspace machine With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive With our nuclear drive _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: NUCLEAR TOY ( - Brock - ) Nuclear facts are hard to take Harrisburg, Windscale, it's no use to fake Potassium iodide radiation drug Won't save yourself from being a mug It's a nuclear toy A generator pumping out active gas Polluting the atmosphere and killing en-masse Strontium-90 cancer in the blood Who's gonna pay for the radiation flood? M4 missile cruising in the sky Setting off catastrophe in a flickering of an eye Radiation fallout it's a setting sun Looking down the barrel and firing the gun Nuclear death is sweeping the Earth Babies being born deformed from birth Mutations are working in the factories The landscape's full of artificial trees _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: On the Case On the case I'm not tired I'll be wired A bit strung out Never sleep Gotta keep her Hung out Check a lead Check a read.. Check a.. Check a.... Check a readout Find a clue And follow through Then eat out And now I'm clearing some confusion It's disappearing without a trace I'm on the case I'm on the case What's your name? What's your game? The details like a cop Can't stop Empty trails I suspect And detect A windup Making sense Evidence Is lined up Rainy night Neon light Reflection In a store window Saw a connection In the dark Shadow stark Don't crack up Work alone On your own No backup Ovaltine Nicotine Stained fingers Follow up Collar up Hat pulled down On the beat In an empty street Let's cool down Truth and Justice Voice of freedom All that must Disguise it's face When I'm on the case I'm on the case........ ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: THE ONLY ONES ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Icarus flew too near the sun Into the blue his red wax did run He fell to the earth and sealed the scroll The daredevil angels our luck would unfold They are the only ones The chosen only ones They are the only ones who are free Half-human half-bird acsending so high No whisper is heard from deep in the sky On wings they climb, they beat and they soar Through space and time toward heaven's door In chariots of fury and flame We head for above to stake out our claim With radioscopes, electronic eyes We scan for our hopes in different skies ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: (ONLY) THE DEAD DREAMS OF THE COLD WAR KID ( - Calvert - ) If he blows his cover he might blow the lid So he stays in the shadows like he always did Deep in his trenchcoat secret papers are hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid In a town by the wall the machine gunners wait To type out the orders that seal his fate Deep in the shadows where he always hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Secret career in counter espionage Covering his fear with clever camouflage Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Railway hotel with gun oil on the sheets The man at the harbour waited in the streets It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ORGONE ACCUMULATOR ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I've got an orgone accumulator It makes me feel greater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator Those energy stimulators Just turn your eyeballs into craters But an orgone accumulator Is a superman creator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator I've got an orgone accumulator And it makes me feel grater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Oscillations Sound vibrations in the air Can cause panic everywhere Reduce tall buildings into dust TV pictures to adjust Oscillations in my head All I hear is constant sound Makes my brain go round and round Makes my brain go round and round ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: OUT OF THE SHADOWS ( - Brock/Davey/Buckley - ) Out of the shadows And into the light Out of the background And into the fight Out of the junkyard And back on the streets Out of the blizzard And into the heat Out of the rat race Into the lagoon Out of the stone age And onto the moon Out of the nightlies Onto the front page Out of the basement Onto the Stage Out of the rainbow Into the black Out of the fox hole And into the flak Out of the shelters Under the Bomb bomb bomb..... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: PARADOX ( - Brock - ) The story that I'm telling you Something that you can do Ask yourself and try to find the answer See the signs they're always there But you know you never care You're always looking for another reason Try to reach it's not too far See it as you really are Ask yourself to try and find the answer Always, always it's the same thing Try it, try it, you just can't win Circles, circles spinning round People, people always bring you down and down Round and round you go __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Phenomenon of Luminosity Friendship Seven: I'll try to describe what I'm in here. I'm in a big mass of some very small particles that are brilliantly lit up, like they're luminescent. I never saw anything like it. They're coming by the capsule, and they look like little stars. A whole shower of them coming by. ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Processed Every time I go out, I think I'm being checked out Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections off a window whilst walking down the street Spying, lying, there's no denying You can't escape, just be discreet Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you've said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms and ID cards, are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - incubus We're processed, we're processed, we're processed ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Psi Power When I was a kid in school They showed me symbols on a card Then they sent them from a locked and bolted room I had to fake that it was hard Circle, square, triangle, waves I got them crystal clear by the hour And all I said was "may I please take a rest?" I didn't want them to know I was possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep When I was a teenage kid and I hung around the streets I could see inside the mind of any girl that I wanted to meet Wave, triangle, circle, square They opened to me like a flower Would you like to have your mind carressed? Can't you feel that I'm possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep It's like a radio you can't switch off There's no way to get peace of mind I'd like to live inside a lead-lined room And leave all this Psi Power behind Circle, square, triangle, waves It's a gift that soon turns sour Why don't they let me get some rest? It's too much to understand and to digest Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) ( - Brock - ) We're sick of politicians harassment and laws All we do is get screwed up by other people's flaws World turned upside down now there's nothing else to do But live in concrete jungles that just block up the view And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke I'm telling you, that ain't no lie You think you know the answers but we don't tell no lies We can take you anyway thro' seven different highs World turned upside down now, there's nothing else to do, but live in concrete jungles, but they block up the views ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Psychosis We have malfunction on screens Switching to computer override now __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Psychosonia (Moorcock, Bainbridge, Lloyd-Langton, Brock, Griffin) Abu-Wabu Abu-Wabu Mabu-Dabu Mabu-Dabu Aka-Taba Aka-Taba Kata-Bata Kata-Bata Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Tee aitch ee why Aey are and ee Tee are why i En and a jee Tee and an o Are o bee You and an ess Oh eff oh you are Are i jee aitch tee Tee and an o See oem em You en i see Aey tee and ee Silence is a virtue and speaking is crime If you're dumb you're happy And if you're dumb you're mine I've got you where I want you I'll hold you till I'm through Just listen to these words I'm giving you _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: PXR5 ( - Brock - ) Two years ago our nova-drive failed and we drifted in space But now repaired our motors run to continue the race Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive Their life supports could not take the strain and so they died And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us journey into space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 Robots call, but we don't answer to their wail Computers hum and bright lights flash to no avail The course has been set for us to go in light years past Outlaws of time, visions of an ancient cast And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us outlaws of this space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Einstein was not a handsome fellow Nobody ever called him Al He had a long moustache to pull on It was yellow I don't believe he ever had a girl One thing he missed out in his theory of time, space and relativity Is something that makes it very clear He was never gonna score like you'n'me He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm I had a dangerous liason To have been found out would've been a disgrace We had to rendezvous some mesons On the corner of an undiscovered place We got sick of chat chat chatter and the look upon everybody's face But all that does not anti-matter now We've found ourselves a black hole in space And we're talking about Quark, Strangeness and Charm Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies Crazy about his telescope And Galileo had a name that made his reputation higher than his hopes Did none of those astronomers discover While they were staring out into the dark That what a lady looks for in her lover is Charm, Strangeness and Quark. ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: REEFER MADNESS ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Open your eyes, you'll get a surprise, evil is sweeping the nation, It's killing your sons and what merely stuns is Your daughters are out for sensation When they turn on their morals are gone They don't really know what they're doing It's a teenage malaise, a dangerous craze Leading their bodies to ruin Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana monster is stalking the streets He knows what he's up to, he knows what he eats He gobbles your body and spits out your mind If you don't believe it then you must be blind Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough One night I was smoking dope, when I looked at my hand, and I saw that I had eleven fingers, one of these fingers fell from my hand, onto the carpet, crawled across the floor, Up on my shelf, inside my piggy bank and stole my stash, stole my stash. Reefer madness has stolen their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll. ______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: The Right Stuff I don't feel fear or panic And nothing brings me down I'm an aerospaceage warrior I can fly sideways through sound My reflexes and reactions Are as fast as a machine I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff Just watch my trail When the dial needle flickers Around mach one or two And something happens suddenly I know exactly what to do My hands move without thinking And my feet like lightning too I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff I never fail My nerves are made of steel And my eyes are eagle sharp And what would freak the average man Does not affect my heart Not even if this jinxy jet Should shake itself apart 'cause I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff As hard as nails I never fail Just watch my trail ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ROBOT ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Nine to five or ten to six, up to the city and back to the sticks You've got to unwind your mind, you've got to unwind your mind Sit back, switch on, your face has got a twitch on Your fuses are blown out in a double bind Air-conditioned, psycho-analysed, you're very nearly human, you're so well disguised Robot, Robot, you're a Robot, Robot You're warm when it's cold, you're cool when it's hot Your life is recorded on a micro-dot, Robot, Robot You'd hold the whole world in your metal claws if it wasn't for the three laws of robotics Automated homunculus, you queue for the paper You queue for the bus, you're a "good morning" machine You're a "how are you?" device Sit back, light up, never put a fight up Sit there fuming until your face goes green Air conditioned, and desensitised, you're very nearly human You're so well disguised Robot, Robot I am a robot I am your slave I can not harm you I can only obey The Three Laws _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ROCKY PATHS ( - Huw & Marion Lloyd-Langton - ) Rocky paths winding round, the inspiration is to be found Following us now with sound coming from earthy ground Keeping up an open mind In everyone you'll find a part to help you climb the walls built up by time Never close yourself to more, learn we can, that's for sure And it isn't hard to endure a heart that has an open door _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Running Through the Backbrain Running through my backbrain in the morning I think that what I'm getting is a warning Messages are scrambled but they're urgent Something in the cortex 'bout detergent I think it's coming clearer I can see it in the mirror Heading for a relapse Clogging up the synapse Or is it just Cassandra yawning? Killers in the streets are wearing striped pants They are interfering with my larynx My brother and my sister joined the army They promise that they do not mean to harm me Messages messages Persecution Persecution messages messages..... Now it's growing dimmer I can see the mirror shimmer Sounds are getting stranger warning me of danger Or can it be that I am merely tired? There's a roaring in my ears that will not die And signals in the sky I can't identify My eyes are melting and my lips are moving And the words that I am hearing are not soothing Breathing's getting harder There's nothing in the larder The building's falling over Or the Sun is going nova Or is it my old-fashioned paranioa? I think that it's important information giving me my future destination Fragments of mysterious conversation Lend the game a frightening complication I know they're trying to tell me What can they want to sell me? The floor is undulating My bones are soft and aching Or have I temporarily lost my bearing? Every little sound is charged with meaning Percentage bandits riding out of ealing Stuttering, shouting, crying, and declaiming Sentences are waxing, now they're waning I'm nearly out of letters >>From my elders and my betters The Killer's moving faster He tells me that he's my master Or was he just asking me "the time please?" ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: THE SEA KING Sinking deeper beneath the waves Mind now resigned, accepts his fate Ancient alliance creeps into his thoughts Unbid to him comes a rune once taught Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him Unsure whether he's dreaming or dead Seeing the face that his youth has bred Slowly realizing that to him has come His ancestors' ally, friend only to some Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him He sees that his life is safe His foe Yrkoon has failed The deed that was to finish him Has come to no avail Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him To his kingdom he is now bound The sea around him is his shroud Age old wisdom has set him free So to realize his destiny Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SEVEN BY SEVEN ( - Brock - ) Lost am I in this world of timelessness and woe Can I find the doorways through which I must go Is the key to this plane too much for me to try to gain Is the passport to this world my astral soul 7 signs rode on 7 stars, 7 ways to find the long lost bards 7 days became 7 years, while Pocus laughed and called foul jeers 7 times he cursed the 7 tears, each one became their 7 fears What is lost is never gained again, I've cast the spell that eternity chained No more to cry o' mortal soul, the astral path is now your fortuitous role. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Shot down in the Night Numbers called as they're waiting in a line Camouflaged like a jungle snake Acting tough, just enough 'til they start to break Then they're off with a rush of adrenalin Holding on to a world unseen the only sound is the pumping of the great machine [chorus:] The secret's only for a few Superpower looks down on you Someone's watching every move You can break the lock and turn on the light ? You know your danger feelings are right Try to run or put up a fight You'll be shot down in the night Shot down like an animal See them run like rats from the factory Push them out to the twilight zone Let them feed on their needs 'til they're overthrown Take them up to a place in the gallery Show them God with an angel face Curtain call for the fall Of the Human race Play it straight and it seems like a mystery Tell the truth and it sounds like lies Looking down at the ground With your angry eyes Play the game and you'll see there's a difference Join the ranks and you'll get your kicks See the world, and the girls, and the dirty tricks ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SILVER MACHINE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I just took a ride in a silver machine and I'm still feeling mean I got a silver machine Do you want to ride see yourself going by other side of the sky Well I got a silver machine It flies sideways through time It's an electric line To your Zodiac sign It flies out of a dream It's anti-septically clean You're gonna know where I've been In my silver machine _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SLEEP OF A THOUSAND TEARS With your white arms wrapped about me And locked in embrace so cold We slept a 1000 years or more To awake in a land of gold Where, the king of the world was a creature Both man and woman and beast Under a landscape boiled with a million strange flowers And the sun set in the east And we were heroes you and I By virtue of age and skill And we rode to the land At the edge of the skies To an emerald tower on a hill _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Social Alliance A social alliance, are you in distress? Just contact me and I'll do my best She said "I'm a person, so don't abuse me" You know I am a doctor of the third degree We're part of a structure That needs no consent You think you're the same Now we're all different Jeanie lives for fashion And I live to fight Before life was easy Now we're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night Creatures of the night Don't miss the sensation It's never too late If you think you're ready There's no need to wait Can your mind take it? Do you really care? _____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Solitary Mind Games Unbelieving Non-receiving Mind is in a Void Unforgiven Bodydriven Striving to avoid Anger glowing Can't help knowing Hiding from the pain Everlasting Grains of Truth are Gnawing at his brain Now he wonders Fears but wonders Where it all will end Never certain Far from certain Can the future mend? Conscience torn out Doesn't know how He will ever find Peace of mind Warlike visions Torment all his kind _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SONG OF THE SWORDS A clash of steel A blinding light Is this the start of Chaos' fight? We were born to be free Not to live in terror under tyrrany My eyes were blind I could not see What was this kind of sorcery? I heard a murmuring in the night Black swords hanging cold as ice Will they lead me to Paradise? Take up the sword And take up me The Chaos lord's answer is to be Your path is chosen, you have no choice Come join us now, thus spoke the voice Paradise, is this my Paradise? The cool brain tortured by neurotic fears The man of ice melts in shameless tears The journey onward, it never ends How you're alone with so few friends... __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Sonic Attack In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules..... If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaeneously Do not waste time blocking your ears. Do not waste time seeking a soundproof shelter. Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible, but do not panic..... Use your wheels. It is what they are for. Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons, which should be left if possible, in a shelter. Do not attempt to use your own limbs. If no wheels are available, metal, not organic, limbs should be employed whenever practical..... Remember, in the case of Sonic Attack, Survival does mean every man for himself. Statistically more people survive if they think only of themselves. Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, or loved ones. You have only a few seconds to escape. Use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die. Do not panic. Think only of yourselves.... These are the first signs of Sonic Attack: You will notice small objects, such as ornaments, oscillating. You will notice a vibration in your vertebrae. You will hear a distand hissing in your ears. You will feel dizzy. You will feel the need to vomit. There will be bleeding from orifices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting, or even laughter. These are all sign of imminent Sonic destruction. Your only real protection is flight. If you are less than ten years old, then remain in your shelter and use your cocoon. But remember: You can help no-one else, No-one lese, No-one else...... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SPACE IS DEEP ( - Brock - ) Space is dark, it is so endless, when you're lost it's so relentless It is so big, it is so small, why does man try to act so tall, Is this the reason deep in our minds. It does not feel, it does not die, space is neither truth nor lie Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel Is this the reason deep in our minds The secret lies with our tomorrow, in each of us is a hidden sorrow The path goes onward through the night beyond the realms of ancient light. Is this the reason deep in our minds ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SPIRIT OF THE AGE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I would've liked you to have been deep frozen too And waiting still as fresh in your flesh for my return to earth But your father refused to sign the forms to freeze you Let's see you'd be about 60 now, and long dead by the time I return to earth My time held dreams were full of you as you were when I left, still underage Your android replica is playing up again it's no joke When she comes she moans another's name But that's the spirit of the age, that's the spirit of tha age I am a clone, I am not alone Every fibre of my flesh and bone is identical to the others Everything I say is in the same tone as my test tube brother's voice And there's no choice between us, if you had ever seen us you'd rejoice in your uniqueness And consider every weakness something special of your own Being a clone I have no flaws to identify Even this doggerel that pours from my pen Has just been written by another twenty telepathic men Word for word it says "Oh, for the wings of any bird other than a battery hen". __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: STANDING AT THE EDGE ( - Moorcock - House - King - Powell - ) We're standing on the edge The edge of time And it is dark, so dark on the edge of time And we're tired of making love We are the lost, we are the ravaged We are the unkind We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love Where are our children Where are our fathers Where is our desire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time Where is our joy Where is our hope Where is our fire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time We are the the lost, we are the forgotten We are the undying We are the soldiers at the edge of time The veterans of a thousand psychic wars We are ths soldiers at the edge of time The victims of the savage truth We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Star Cannibal Jaws of blue open wide the sky Silence split with thunder men who fly Descend the jaws of cosmic brood For their appetite we the fleshly food Rising souls and carcassed bone Fleshless remains in every home Onwards crunching munching men Star Cannibal has come again Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew He partakes of us at will Enigmatic one we cannot kill Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Starflight READY? Ready. R for Ruminant LARGACTIL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check VALIUM: TEN MILLIGRAMMES Check HALIPERIDOL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Which? THE LITTLE WHITE ONES. W FOR WHITE OK Check PHENOBARBITONE: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check DISIPEL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check GLASS OF WATER Check Our Father Which art in Heaven Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Maxi Ma Culpa......... _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: STEPPENWOLF ( - Brock - Calvert - ) You can see my eyes are lupine The liquid golden fires glare My loping walk, my slinking spine Are signs that there is something there The way my nostrils flare for odours The way my ears prick up for sound My hair's electrically aware Tells me things for miles around I am a man-wolf, I am a wolf man I have half a canine mind I have half the mind of man I am neither of one kind Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bells it rings Like a wolf my wilful loafing My languishing alone in my lair Where you will never hear me laughing I'm half in love with dark and despair The Moon's a howling, mouth of mercury Quicksilver quivering in the sky It echoes like a cave of chromium That'll vacuum up my soul when I die I am a wolf man, I am a man-wolf A freak, a fiend, a figment of mind A species of the steppes and city I am neither of one kind Dissolving in the slendour of this desolation The forest has been filled by a fog Exactly a description of my isolation I made a note of it in my log To the secret of all creation I follow my own trail like a dog I am a wolf man who walks alone in the gas lamp Shadows of the streets at night I am a man-wolf upright on two feet in the city dressed somberly as a man I am a wolf man under skies heavy with snow My eyes are convex lenses of ebony embedded in amber I am a man-wolf The fat bourgeois and his dopple ganger are buried in their solid glare Twin specimens of insect set for display I am a man-wolf, the man in me would kill the wolf I am a wolf man, the wolf in me would eat the man I am a wolf man, who despises the striving of common men Who sees them at work, at their daily tasks at factories and office desk Who watches them at evening, elbows lift at tavern tables, heads lolling in song Isch weis nischt weis ischa (Zargonzoi) I saw a neon sign reflected in a pool of liquid sky It was not what I expected I was only walking by The sign said "to the magic theatre" It is not for everyone It is but for madmen only, the first performance has begun I looked up to see that notice where the lights were shining from Nothing but blank wall was there and their reflection too was gone Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bell it rings __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Streets of fear (Brock) What is this that I see here You're walking through the streets of fear What is this did I consent Armed guard of punishment What is life and what is death You may laugh or gasp for breath I ride the streets now filled with hate Carve pathways through the lines of fate With my energising ray Power is the game I play I can murder steal or rape Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN ( - Brock - ) Feel the pain burning, reaching up your spine How your body shudders higher as you climb You're reaching for the sky as the lash descends Tingling stars of fire, burning in your head Lightning in you opening eyes, bursting thoughts of power Feel the velvet whip turning sweet thoughts to sour Down and down you slowly slide Your burning body under mine Together a world with legs entwined Silky skin with hardened lines The scent of leather in the air The colours change not really there You taste the sweetness of the pain Will you ever climb so high again ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Sweet Obsession I'm standing at the station waiting just to see your face I'm looking in shop windows whilst trying to retrace I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession......... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Sword of the East A starless night Older than death The sand dunes of life Hold their breath My eyes are closed Dreaming for you The holy wars Time will subdue Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Your swords of steel Have turned to guns Your desert steed Has been outrun And now you hide Under the night To wait for dawn To continue the fight Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Gather up the fallen! The children you bear Are born into war Their eyes of despair Your generals ignore So now you dream Of mysterious lands Warm blood of the past Still flows in the sand Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER ( - Calvert - ) In the tenth second of forever, I thought of the sea and a white yacht drifting... In the ninth second of forever, I thought of a leaf, a stone, the plastic fragment of the child's toy... In the eighth second of forver, I remembered a warm room where voices played... In the seventh second of forever, I thought of the life I would not lead... In the sixth second of forever, I saw your mouth whispering something I could hear... In the fifth second of forever, I thought of the vermillion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests of Venus... In the fourth second of forever, I could remember nothing that I did not love... In the third second of forever, I thought of rain against a window and I thought of the wind... In the second second of forever, I thought of the pair of broken shades lying on the tarmac... In the first and final second of forever, I thought of the long past that had led to now and never... never... never... never... __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: They've Got Your Number They got your number, they got your name You are the one they will blame Accused of being the leader of the pack You are the one who wouldn't turn his back They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name Do you not now see what their problem is They can't accept your solution Though we all see that you pay the price The rest of your days will be spent in seclusion They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: TIME WE LEFT (THIS WORLD TODAY) ( - Brock - ) Time we left this world today Time we left this world today Time we left this world today So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you walk the street Cast sly glances at who you meet Brain police are not far behind Trying to make you lose your minds Time we left this world today Watch you as you walk the streets Make you sit in your house and say "Time we left this world today" So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: TRANSDIMENSIONAL MAN ( - Brock - ) Where the speed of light breaks thro' Changing shapes distort the view Red rimmed stars, teardrops of light I can vanish into the night Chorus: With laser eyes I will awake Panic is the rule I make Trace my background identikit A source of light which shall emit I see what no one fortells I can travel down to hell I know what is often said Written in the book of the dead I can travel anyway With my energising ray And I'll visit in your room Appearing from within the gloom Watch me take you in your dreams Cascading irridescent light beams Fingers curling in the sun Reaching for what has begun Suddenly I hear all your lies See all the secrets of 1000 eyes But you may laugh or gasp for breath What is life and what is death _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Treadmill I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay I can't expound before the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march The mirrored shades of the patriarch Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to computer screens Fingers raised - " must finish the scene" Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay I can't expound before the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office block from which we march The mirrored shades of the Patriarch ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: TV Suicide ( - Bainbridge - ) All our life Is squarely pictured An eye on the world It's no mystery Grazing with the handset Is a nightly feature? Everything I need is on my TV Talk, Talk, Hard Sell Infrared Remote Control Your finger is on the button But whose got your soul? Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Can you tell the difference? Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Ha Ha You can't get better Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Hit pain where it hurts Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Don't hold back Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Have I ever let you down? Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Trust Me, Trust Me Talk, Talk, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell _______________________________________________________________________ @SONG: UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS ( - House - Brock - Calvert - King - ) Shoals of dead fish float on the lakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars And science is making the same mistakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars No one down here knows how to work the brakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the earth too hot to bear The Earth might be a desert soon, America has left the Moon Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars He's digging for dreams in the red sand He's got his bucket and spade in his left hand He's digging for dreams He's looking for life What's he doing out there? He's looking for life Looking for life There may be life out there (Nixon to Armstrong - July 21st 1969:) I'm talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room in the White House. And this certainly must be the most exciting telephone call ever made here on Earth. I just can't tell you how proud we all are. For every American this has to be the proudest day of their lives. And for people all over the world, I'm sure they too join with us in recognising what a tremendous achievement this is. For one priceless moment in the whole history of Man...... MacDonalds Hamburger Construction works And he's looking for life Looking for life to wind up He's looking for life to stamp out He's looking for life to grind out He's looking for life, so mind out I hope you brought your credit card with you, and I hope you know how to drive on these long, lonely freeways and intersections we've got up here. We've got two cars in the garage, two cars in the garage, and drum-majorettes in white ankle socks and baton twirling on Sundays. We've got stripes and the stars and Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Mars.... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: URBAN GUERILLA ( - Brock - ) I'm an urban guerilla I make bombs in my cellar I'm a derelict dweller I'm a potential killer I'm a street fighting dancer I'm a revolutionary romancer I'm society's cancer I'm a two-tone panther So let's not talk of love and flowers And things that don't explode We've used up all of our magic powers Trying to do it in the road I'm a political bandit And you don't understand it You took my dream and canned it It is not the way I planned it I'm society's destructor I'm a petrol bomb constructor I'm a cosmic light conductor I'm the people's debt collector So watch out Mr. Business Man Your empire's about to blow I think you'd better listen, man In case you did not know _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Utopia '84 Utopia, Utopia, Utopia Welcome to Utopia Planet of your wildest dreams Where everbody drives a Cadillac car And the streets are paved with hamburgers And the rivers run with Watney's draught Red Barrel Utopia, where all your needs are catered for Anticipated, calculated All your wants are monitored, programmed, computer formulated We know you will be very happy here Nobody has complained Yet...... ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Valium Ten When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Riding in my car at night She began to scream and fight She began to moan and shout When I got my valium out When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Moan and shout Moan and shout..... _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: VIRGIN OF THE WORLD ( - Bainbridge - ) The fire's burned, the ashes spread The lifted light hears all that's said We are undead _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Waiting for Tomorrow Moon streaming through the trees I wonder what this means Clouds forming into swords Shining like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Words written in the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots are circling Waiting for the unforseen Red alert goes through the world The heavens are opening Run to the shelter nearest you Our planet's running out of steam Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Moon turning red, trees are dead I wonder what this means Clouds have changed to sheets of mist Like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Stars are fading from the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots land Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen...... ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WARRIOR ON THE EGDE OF TIME ( - ? - ) We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are the warriors at the edge of time We walk hand in hand with horror We ride side by side with death We are the warriors at the end of time Over poisoned crystal deserts Where the ruined towers shout We march towards our dying scarlet sun. Death Death to life! Death! Death to time! We bring sweet destruction now to everything. In our mirrored flashing armor In our secret, hideous helms We are the Angels of our ruin And we climb obsidian mountains On our final, dreadful quest Crossing lakes which cry with pain as we pass by Death to all things living! Holy death will cleanse the world! Death, our standard! Death, our only joy We are the Warriors at the edge of time Death to air and fire and water Death to light and earth and sound Death to anger, love and sadness Death to death... and time... and space. And dead horses and dead riders Seek the last retreats of life Life betrayed us and we slay it Corpses locked in battle Dancing at the Edge of Time It's cold at the edge of time So cold on the edge of time ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Warriors We are the warriors at the edge of time We are Humanity's scythe to sweep this way and that And cut the Enemy down as weeds We are Humanity's spade to dig up the roots wherever they have grown We are Humanity's fire to burn the waste to the finest ash We are the wind which will blow the ash away As if it had never existed We will destroy those Enemies But we must first know the Enemies And the Enemies are the devils that hide in our minds And make us less than happy They make us less than happy We are the warriors at the edge of time We are the veterans of a savage truth We are the lost We are the last We are the betrayed We are the betrayed We are the betrayed................ ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Wastelands of Sleep Drifting through the wastelands of sleep Rivers formed by those who weep All missed by the wakeful mind Memories are left far behind But you can always return tomorrow Escape in sleep from all of your sorrows And then I can reach out for your touch Am I asking for too much? ____________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: THE WATCHER ( - Kilminster - ) We are looking in on you now What do you think you can do now You're very small from way out here The last thing you will feel is fear I gave you the chance to do the right thing I gave you the chance to do the bright thing Now our sense is all disgusted Re-affirm you can't be trusted A world imprisoned screams with pain There are no leaders you can blame Your avarice has destroyed your sphere And there's no room for you out here This is the end now. ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WE TOOK THE WRONG STEP ( - Brock - ) Think about the things that we should have done before The way things are going the end is about to fall. We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago Take a look around and see the warnings close at hand Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago The morning sun is rising, casting rays across the land, Already nature's calling, take heed of the warning, We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WEB WEAVER ( - Brock - ) Larynx cries no longer heard A chord was struck that chilled the nerve It froze the time that we all lived The roles reversed to downward spin Is life finished or hung within The voices pleading went unheard And shattered membranes of our lives Hung suspended from the hives Where the harmony the sad voices waned _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WELCOME TO THE FUTURE ( - Calvert - ) Welcome to the oceans in a labeled can, Welcome to the dehydrated lands, Welcome to the south police parade, Welcome to the neo-golden age, Welcome to the days you've made You are welcome You are welcome Welcome Welcome You are welcome You are welcome. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: When the Going Gets Tough Way out in the jungle things aren't bright Looks like the natives are preparing to fight Sharpen their spears and rapping their shields It's time for the white man to take to the fields You know the saying folks But just a minute what's caused all the fuss? Police have blown in and made a big bust All that coca chewing and all that weed They've scooped the lot, a dastardly deed When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ So what's the score? Now it's lost An empty plane, who'll cover the cost? Fake a deal with the FBI Flying guns, they'll turn a blind eye You know the saying folks: When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ Who's gonna pay for all this? No more coca chewing No more smoking that weed What are we gonna do? We're all gonna turn into seeds Blown off into space And what can we do? No one will save the Human Race When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR ( - Brock - ) Lonely figures waiting, shadows on the hill Looking into valleys where everything is still Only death is lurking, the creeping sickness waits So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war Radiation wastelands in the setting sun Dust clouds they are gathering to obliterate the guns Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: WINGS ( - Davey -) I could see their dying note In the sky that is so old I remember where they once flew Where they sang to the morning dew Now their wings are soaked in oil Caged wings that can't unfurl No longer do we hear them sing No longer do we hear the fluttering Of wings Underneath the iron bird Their song cannot be heard Above the human sound Above the poisoned ground ___________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: THE WIZARD BLEW HIS HORN The Great Hound Barked And the world turned white The Great Hound Sighed And the forest died The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The snow snake hissed And the world turned round The snow snake grinned In his fine cold sin When The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The horse wept blood And the earth did groan The tall horse reared >>From a lake of tears To seek a Champion To seek a Champion The world was bleak And the Earth did fear The Wizard's Horn The magic Horn So it screamed for a champion It screamed for a champion The eagle laughed And the world grew black It stretched giant claws And it snatched the Law And the Champion stirred in his sleep The Champion stirred in his sleep ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: Words of a Song Switch on the TV, look at the screen Money for a Rolls or a washing machine I pay my money and I pay my rent But everyday it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same Look out the window and it starts to rain Someone is saying "it's time to die" Send us some money and I'll tell you why I'll tell you why Broken cars in the street Do you really want to eat? Do you need all these things that you see on the screen? I drive my car when i go home It's hidden somewhere in the words of a song I pay my stamps and I pay my tax But it's not working and that's a fact ________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DREAMING ( - Brock - ) One more touch and then you'll see a world of hidden mystery, Visions of you know you're only dreaming Colours change, I stand upright Screaming souls in the night Visions of you know you're only dreaming Chaos all within my mind Try to reach anI wanna be with my own kind Visions of you know you're only dreaming. _________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT ( - Brock - Turner - ) You shouldn't do that, should do that You try so hard to get somewhere, They put you down, and cut your hair, They're saying you're no good, they just don't care, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. You shouldn't do that, should do that. You want so hard to get somewhere, With trees and flowers growing there, If you can't make it you're going spare, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT ( - Brock - ) I wandered far in lands unknown until I came to my earthly home Far away I found life's dream drifting on a silver beam, You'd better believe it, It's so easy to say. Travelling at twice the speed of light, Orion's stars are high tonight The gentle madness has touched my hand, now I'm just a cosmic man. __________________________________________________________________________ @SONG: ZAROZINIA Fire of destiny Fire of reality Zarozinia The burning of flesh Flames loving caress Zarozinia Water from a thousand tears Feeling of a thousand years Flow over me But the dream it is too real Cold reality of steel Zarozinia Hurt and wounded you return But deep down feel the anger burn Zarozinia ________________________________________________________________________ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 17:20:56 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:20:56 EDT Subject: Off?: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 3:08:43 PM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: << --well then how the hell is someone supposed to write a review or recommend a band?? ===== this one's written reviews, too, okay? got paid even, sometimes. and i _really_ dislike this notion of a 'glossary' as discussed here. ==== <> what's to 'believe' or not, chuck? are you saying as a writer, you lean on crib notes, convenient handles for what you describe? [wait, hang on, i'm not saying you _are_.] for all the sub-sub-sub-genres already out there...maybe it's enough. 'space rock', as it's been referred to here, is _already_ a cul-de-sac. _already_. didnt you know? but here, we're all having a block party. this is 'our' turf. [and you say "who's 'our', paleface?] so it is in _all_ o' these cul-de-sacs; turf is turf, y'know? and there we'll remain, within the semantic paramaters of one's peculiar cul-de-sac didnt say (we) would be unhappy there, just....heh....categorized. == the issue today has been the compilaition of 'distinctions by which [it] can be recognized'. a 'glossary'. =koff= === when das ludicroix had cassettes put out on that tiny english label, we were a 'militant pro-cannabis psychedelic jam band', to the extent we were categorized at all. i _much_ prefer 'psychedelic' to 'space rock'. the latter makes me think of bad '50s movies. === six of one half a dozen of the other how about we play some MUSIC and let Buddha sort it out? "<>" .== <> KISAKO 2K From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jun 13 17:45:59 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:59 -0400 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: linuxchaos "wrote": ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > @ALBUM: lyric.book > Hawkwind Lyric Book > > All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. > > @SONG: 5/4 > > I can feel it > My mind is going > I can feel it > I can feel it > My mind is going > I can feel it > There's no question about it > My mind is going > I can feel it > Oh no, my mind is going..... Indeed, my mind is going. Was that really necessary?? I much prefer Berhard's recent approach of announcing the availability of a large file and soliciting requests, instead of simply posting it to the list. That's what FoFP does when he makes updates to the Hawkwind Lyrics File he maintains, too. You should take a leaf out of his book in future... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 13 17:55:20 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:55:20 EDT Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! Message-ID: <> '...and when it does, you know where to get your copy!' that was an unabashed commercial! i've never seen one on the list before; i know there are not alot of 'rules' here, but there are certain expectations...? is this ok w/everybody? personally, i don't delete w/out at least 'skimming' each and every piece on the list; and i don't filter anything; but this is the kind of thing that we dread when we check our general email, is it not? spam? not a big deal. im sure the service is all mr g says it is. ive read all of his posts and found them all informative, interesting and entertaining. but it's my feeling that this list should be a 'commercial-free' zone. what say you all? rmayo serving the public interest since 1964 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 18:19:06 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:19:06 EDT Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! In-Reply-To: <1e.687f32d.267807c8@aol.com> Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 17:55, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > <> > '...and when it does, you know where to get your copy!' > that was an unabashed commercial! i've never seen one on the list > before; i know there are not alot of 'rules' here, but there are > certain expectations...? is this ok w/everybody? personally, i don't > delete w/out at least 'skimming' each and every piece on the list; and > i don't filter anything; but this is the kind of thing that we dread > when we check our general email, is it not? spam? not a big deal. im > sure the service is all mr g says it is. ive read all of his posts and > found them all informative, interesting and entertaining. but it's my > feeling that this list should be a 'commercial-free' zone. what say > you all? rmayo serving the public interest since 1964 Well, Al has always sold tBS material through this list--or at least promoted it, and none of us complain--in fact we depend upon his notices as many stores don't stock tBS material. But I think Al should have some kind of 'papal dispensation' for promoting his albums and concerts here--hell, it's the reason a lot of us are here. But, now, if one of us wants to do an advert for his exterminating business he runs on the side, that might be a problem. I suggest that people add a line [not 10 lines!] to their signature if they have something to promote... And, I think Andy was really making a joke anyway... Maybe you wouldn't be so offended if you didn't find the so-called Thin Lizzy album so heinous? Personally, I wouldn't mind hearing it, though I don't think I'd buy it. I'd much rather get hold of any of Syke's solo stuff, though not at import prices. I can't fathom why they didn't just get together and try to come up with some original material under a different name? BTW, over on the Thin Lizzy list, there hasn't been much of an outcry against this project--folks are generally supportive. And people on that list bleed Lizzy Green... theo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 13 18:24:31 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:24:31 PDT Subject: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: OK,OK,OK! First off, I am not labelling any type of music or band or any of that crap. Funny how I can know exactly what I mean, type it, read it, reread it, think it's represents my thoughts well, reread it, spell check it, send it off and then PLOW! All I am looking for is definitions for the terms that I have seen used numerous time to describe a bands sound, so that when I read a review of a band that I have never heard before I know WTF the reviewer is talking about. That's pretty concise and clear, isn't it? I have no intention of pigeon holing a band by say they are "pooprock" or whatever! For example, when Keith says in his review of a new disc, that the band puts a new bend on "stoner" rock. What does that mean? What is the musical definition of "stoner" rock. I know what a stoner is, there's probably plenty of us reading the list. With the type of music that I am more familiar w/, I know what the term means. Somebody else might not know what that term means. If they asked me what the term "jamband" means or asked me to describe it, I would gladly give them my best concept of the definition of that term. Then when they were reading about a band and the term "jamband" was used they would know WTF it meant. Pretty simple actually. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Second off, if having one original or long time member of a band is not enough to call the band by it's original name, then I guess according to some of you Hawkwind is just a cover band and has been for many years. Dave has been the only original member for years. He's even gone to the lengths of assigning new titles to old songs, such as "Lives of Great Men" and "Do That". So if no one contests Scott Gorham using the name Thin Lizzy, I guess he can. Sure some people may not like it, but only the hardcore fans are gonna know "Gorham-Sykes" and that's probably not even enough to get the label backing to put out a killer album of all original material. Unless, you are a professional musician and have worked your ass of to make it, you may not really know what that's like. The guys that have not made it, but have worked there ass off trying probably know even more. Also, I guess Robo could get Snowy White and some other top notch guys and call themselves Thin Lizzy. Probably a lot less likely, but..... Not sure what's happened to Brian Downey, but if he's still around, I guess he could do the same. Wow! 3 Thin Lizzy bands! Then we could check all 3 out and decide which one we like best. Of course, I AM being a smartass ") (Just a joke to show you how uptight you are being) How many bands tour around w/ some type of use of the Hawkwind name, just because they were in the band at one point. I don't think Gorham and Sykes are pulling a Ginger Baker's Hawkwind here. Maybe, these guys have a bunch of originals, and this is their way of getting people's attention first before they unleash them. That makes sense to me. Then they have an audience to play to and guaranteed record sales that they can take to a label and keep on truckin'. All I am saying is give them a chance and see what they do. Many bands have done similar things and turned out to be pretty good. Do you like King Crimson? Case in point ") Trance, drone, festi, stoner..... Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 13 18:35:54 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:35:54 EDT Subject: Spacerock Glossary In-Reply-To: <20000613222431.80786.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 13 Jun 00, at 15:24, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > I have no intention of pigeon holing a band by say they are "pooprock" > or whatever! Unless it's a certain trio from a northern land... theo From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 13 18:46:03 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:46:03 PDT Subject: BOC 5/18/00 Tree Message-ID: Just a reminder the offer to sign up for this 2 CD-R tree ends on FRIDAY 6/16/00. So get your note to Brad Brad M. Lauchnor Please include your city, whether you are a burner or not, and how many leaves you will take on. My discs went to Brad already and he will have them by tomorrow. So, what are you waiting for? Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 13 18:47:17 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:47:17 +1000 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: At 08:23 AM 6/13/00 -0500, Tom Clark wrote: >Too bad Bob felt that way, though he pretty much defined the HW sound through >the Charisma years - but not before or after. Well, I dunno about that. He did coceive the Spce Ritual, and his importance to In Search of Space is much greater than you'd glean from just reading the album credits. I think he had as much to do with the definitive HW 'spirit' (as opposed to 'sound') as anyone did. As for his comments, I think perhaps with this much water under the bridge, the subject is less topical tha it was, since thereis almost no stigma at all attched to being a 70's cabaret act nowadays (not saying that's what HW are, but if they were, they would get away with it). But FWIW, I do agree with him in that to my mind, the real Hawkwind were a 70's group, and I'd even cite their last essential LP as 'Quark', and their desmise as the breakup on the 78 US tour, rather than the Hawklords album, which is kind of a last death spasm, albeit with some memorable moments. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed 80's and 90's Hawkwind, but I just don't regard them in the same way somehow... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jun 13 18:35:23 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:35:23 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:59 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >linuxchaos "wrote": > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> @ALBUM: lyric.book >> Hawkwind Lyric Book >> >> All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. [SNIP!] >Was that really necessary?? I much prefer Berhard's recent approach of >announcing the availability of a large file and soliciting requests, >instead of simply posting it to the list. That's what FoFP does when he >makes updates to the Hawkwind Lyrics File he maintains, too. You should >take a leaf out of his book in future... just go to: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9703C&L=BOC-L&P=R7895 You're welcome (you are ... wellll-come), -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObMissingLyric: I think the missing word from "Wage War" is "gutters" ... someone listen back to 'Yuri Gagarin' and correct me if I'm wrong! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jun 13 18:39:49 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:39:49 -0700 Subject: OFF: commercials (was: Re: Re;Thin Lizzy advert!) Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:55:20 EDT, "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: ><> >'...and when it does, you know where to get your copy!' >that was an unabashed commercial! i've never seen one on the list before; You haven't been on the list more than a couple years, then. I've always announced releases on my (not-particularly-active-these-days) label here. Of course, they've all been spacerock and/or Hawkwind-related, so at least there's the excuse of being "on-topic". Unlike Thin Lizzy :^). -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCommercial: Contact ME! ME! ME! for info- info- information on how to purchase 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind tribute CD's or F/i 'Helioscopium' CD's on Ceres Records! BUY NOW! NOW! NOW! (non-Ceres spacerock/related CD's by ST37, Richard Franecki [Voco Kesh, ex-F/i], Monoshock, and others also available) DON'T DELAY!! Operators are standing by! WE WANT YOUR MONEY! (or order them from mr. Garibaldi if you live somewhere in Europe...) From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 13 18:51:31 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:31 +1000 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: At 03:41 PM 6/13/00 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >> What about Motorhead? > >Point taken, but Lemmy didn't have the option of trading as Hawkwind. Then >again he had plenty of visibility in his own right! He also, with apologies to Dave and everyone else, is IMO probably the only HW member other than Calvert, and maybe Turner, with the nescessary combination of whatever it is it takes to cut it as a solo act or sole focal point of a band. I can only remember Dave's 'Earthed to the Ground' LP, but I thought that was emminently forgettable. Of course that came at the absolute nadir of HW's output quality anyway, AFAIC. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 13 19:01:21 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:01:21 -0700 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: i don't want to seem to dismiss most the output of hawkwind in the 80's and 90's but i personaly feel that hawkwind finished after live 79 was released. All there "greatest" albums i feel were produced in the 70's maybe with the exception of live chronicles. I think i can safely say that hawkwind never released a dodgy album in the 70's but looking at the 80's and 90's i think you could list quite a few that fall in this catergory. anyway better go colm --- Tim Gadd wrote: > Quote from Bob Calvert, from one of the clips on my > site: Made in 1981, but > still topical today? Discuss... > > "although there is still a band going around with > that name, with Dave > leading it, I personally think that Hawkwind > finished at the time of the > 'Hawklords' album... > > ....I think it would be a far more dignified thing > if the band were regarded > as something which had a magnificent sort of life, > and terrific, long run as > a major band, and has now sort of broken up and gone > into seperate units. > Dave Brock would be doing himself a favour if he > formed a band of his own, > and called it something quite different from > Hawkwind, and used it to > express his own musical direction, rather than sort > of half-heartedly trying > to resurrect a dispersed spirit." > > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Jun 13 19:11:58 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:11:58 -0400 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: And wasn't Bob going to rejoin HW before his untimely death? -----Original Message----- From: Tim Gadd [SMTP:lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:47 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: cat among pigeons At 08:23 AM 6/13/00 -0500, Tom Clark wrote: >Too bad Bob felt that way, though he pretty much defined the HW sound through >the Charisma years - but not before or after. Well, I dunno about that. He did coceive the Spce Ritual, and his importance to In Search of Space is much greater than you'd glean from just reading the album credits. I think he had as much to do with the definitive HW 'spirit' (as opposed to 'sound') as anyone did. As for his comments, I think perhaps with this much water under the bridge, the subject is less topical tha it was, since thereis almost no stigma at all attched to being a 70's cabaret act nowadays (not saying that's what HW are, but if they were, they would get away with it). But FWIW, I do agree with him in that to my mind, the real Hawkwind were a 70's group, and I'd even cite their last essential LP as 'Quark', and their desmise as the breakup on the 78 US tour, rather than the Hawklords album, which is kind of a last death spasm, albeit with some memorable moments. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed 80's and 90's Hawkwind, but I just don't regard them in the same way somehow... -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 03:25:27 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:25:27 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: well that was not a large file I think. I thought all you americans had cable modems anyway? wont do it again. Paul Mather wrote: > linuxchaos "wrote": > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > @ALBUM: lyric.book > > Hawkwind Lyric Book > > > > All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. > > > > @SONG: 5/4 > > > > I can feel it > > My mind is going > > I can feel it > > I can feel it > > My mind is going > > I can feel it > > There's no question about it > > My mind is going > > I can feel it > > Oh no, my mind is going..... > > Indeed, my mind is going. > > Was that really necessary?? I much prefer Berhard's recent approach of > announcing the availability of a large file and soliciting requests, > instead of simply posting it to the list. That's what FoFP does when he > makes updates to the Hawkwind Lyrics File he maintains, too. You should > take a leaf out of his book in future... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 13 19:28:36 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:28:36 +0100 Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! Message-ID: > > that was an unabashed commercial! i've never seen one on the list > > before; i know there are not alot of 'rules' here, but there are > > certain expectations...? is this ok w/everybody? > And, I think Andy was really making a joke anyway... > Maybe you wouldn't be so offended if you didn't find the so-called > Thin Lizzy album so heinous? Personally, I wouldn't mind hearing it, ============================= Ooops - done it again; sorry everyone, but for the second time since I joined this merry band, I've let myself run away with it again - since this whole Lizzy thing came up with the distributors last week, I was annoyed enough then, but on this list here, I had to react, and obviously said the wrong thing. To end my part on this, I hate it when people react to a set of music without hearing it first just because of the ****** band name. Isn't it the music that's the important bit - if it's crap, let's make an opinion then - but to condemn it just because the lead icon's dead seems a bit harsh. BTW, if Hawkwind did a reunion gig without Dave Brock, what would that be called (and that's serious, altho' funny comments will be most welcome!!) Apologies to all who I may have offended, Andy Garibaldi (trying to keep within the fence). P.S. Bedouin new CD put back to September, but at least Harvey's being a full-time member for the live dates in the autumn. For those in Germany this weekend, try and catch the excitement of Spacehead doing a live set with Nik Turner and Harvey Bainbridge as full concert members of the band - should be a goodie!!! From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 03:40:56 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:40:56 -0700 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: No it was I agree to this: Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone entertained > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I think > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, look > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, methinks...... > Andy Garibaldi. linuxchaos wrote: > cant agree more! > From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 13 20:30:27 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:30:27 +1000 Subject: HW: cat among pigeons Message-ID: At 04:01 PM 6/13/00 -0700, colm mcwilliams wrote: >i don't want to seem to dismiss most the output of >hawkwind in the 80's and 90's but i personaly feel >that hawkwind finished after live 79 was released. >All there "greatest" albums i feel were produced in >the 70's maybe with the exception of live chronicles. >I think i can safely say that hawkwind never released >a dodgy album in the 70's but looking at the 80's and >90's i think you could list quite a few that fall in >this catergory. My rule of thumb is some of their 70's albums have a few dud songs on them, and most of their 80's and 90's albums have a few good ones. *shrug* I'm just weird though. To me, Lemmy's bombed out hollering 'Everywhere you go-owo-wo-owo-wo-owo-wo-owo-wowowowowowowowo" on the 199 Party's 'It's so Easy' is definitive Hawkwind greatness, and worth every bit of clever 80's and 90's sequencer programming put together. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Jun 13 21:31:16 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:31:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: Just my 2 cents. Thought the Spacerock Glossary question was a valid one! I seem to be promoting Richard's Cranium Music site lately (no he's not paying me ;) ) but it really is a good reference source. Here's a breakdown of bands by genre: http://www.cranium.co.nz/catalog/genre.htm And here are sound samples! http://www.cranium.co.nz/catalog/samples.htm Think this could help one to get a feel for things. Have learned a lot from this list too and from reading Aural Innovations. http://www.aural-innovations.com I love our mailing list! Karen aka "Bubbles" the Planet Prog webmaster http://claim.to/planprog.html From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jun 13 21:34:14 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:34:14 -0400 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: <39473367.7F920DB5@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, linuxchaos wrote: => I thought all you americans had => cable modems anyway? I wish! :-) Anyway, I guess it'll come in handy; I can put up a copy on my FTP site. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jun 13 22:08:58 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michaelangelo) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:38:58 +0930 Subject: HW: HAWKWIND files Message-ID: you have been to 227 hawkwind concerts? wanna do a memory swap?????? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:18 AM Subject: HW: HAWKWIND files > Hi Folks ! > > I did it again ;-))) > > > Well, I have photgraphed all my 22 HAWKWIND T-Sirts (yes, front and back) > and transfered them into JPG-Format. The complete filesize is about 9,5 MB > > I have also JPG-Files from all my HAWKWIND-tickets (227 tickets). > The complete filesize is about 28 MB > > I'll transfer all files (T-SHIRTS, POSTERS and TICKETS) onto > a CD-R for those of you who wants to do a serious trade > > Let me know > > cheers > Bernhard > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jun 13 22:11:19 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michaelangelo) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:41:19 +0930 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: hear hear ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:26 AM Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > > > > > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > > > > > > More likely the effects of age. > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone entertained > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I think > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, look > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, methinks...... > Andy Garibaldi. > From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Jun 13 21:46:49 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:46:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: drummer trivia Message-ID: Trivia! Don't know if this has been mentioned before but I just came across this researching some Happy the Man info. Past and current drummer Ron Riddle of Happy the Man, used to play with B?C. http://www.happytheman.com "Their second Arista album, "Crafty Hands", reflected a more 'raucous' and harder edged side of Happy the Man largely due to the exciting drumming of Ron Riddle who replaced Mike Beck, and a bit more guitar in the mix than on the first album. The one vocal song "Wind Up Doll Day Wind" showed some maturity in Whitaker's voice and was actually heard by many future HTM fans during Genesis' 'Duke' tour as pre-show music while people were being seated. This album remains the favorite of most of the band members and many HTM fans, but both albums still sound as fresh and original today as they did some 20 years ago." http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B3718~C In 1987, Lanier returned to the group, and Ron Riddle replaced Wilcox on drums. B?C's 14th album, the concept recording Imaginos, became their final new album on Columbia Records in July 1988. B?C scored the movie Bad Channels in 1992, by which time Chuck Burgi had replaced Ron Riddle on drums. -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From CultJacket at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 01:01:16 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:01:16 EDT Subject: 6-9-00 BOC in Cleveland Message-ID: Ted The show is at The Majestic Theatre and it is The Buffalo Suburb. Its about 4 hrs for me but for lack of PA Shows this year and how hot BOC is now,who knows about me driving that far :-) From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 01:28:18 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:28:18 EDT Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 7:27:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: << To end my part on this, I hate it when people react to a set of music without hearing it first just because of the ****** band name. Isn't it the music that's the important bit - if it's crap, let's make an opinion then - but to condemn it just because the lead icon's dead seems a bit harsh. >> im NOT condemning the music; i can't 'cause i haven't heard it. i have every reason to believe it'll be just great, in fact. i am condemning the name of this band. i think the only person who's 'earned' the 'right' to call a band thin lizzy _who's still among the living_ is brian downey, being 'in it' since day one, and he seems to have the good sense not to. thank you and goodnight 'rmayo' From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Jun 14 01:33:28 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:33:28 +0200 Subject: AW: HW: HAWKWIND files Message-ID: Hi >you have been to 227 hawkwind concerts? wanna do a memory swap?????? :-))) Unfortunately no. I've seen them only about 24 times live Bernhard From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Wed Jun 14 05:09:40 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:09:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: THIN LIZZY Message-ID: I've been keeping schtum as it's a bit off topic even for me. However, historically this "Thin Lizzy" was put together by Brian= Downey, Scott Gorham, Darren Wharton and John Sykes, and so had= some validity as a touring band. But Brian has dropped out now, preferring to go fishing. As the last original link, my personal= feelings are that they should have stopped using the name there= and then, perhaps going down the "Evening Of Thin Lizzy Music" route.= However, Scott Gorham has now developed a mysterious injury which= the Thin Lizzy mailing list reckons is conscience, as there were= plans to record a new Thin Lizzy studio album. But if you're in= Scandinavia you can see Robbo play large swathes of TL music and the Eric= Bell Band still tours regularly. Stuart NP: The Michael Stanly Band - Misery Loves Company Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6= 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind= passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 14 05:12:54 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:12:54 +0100 Subject: Spacerock Glossary Message-ID: Oh Lord. Here we go again... :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Spacerock Glossary > On 13 Jun 00, at 15:24, Darrin McKeehen wrote: > > > > > I have no intention of pigeon holing a band by say they are "pooprock" > > or whatever! > > Unless it's a certain trio from a northern land... > > theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed Jun 14 06:36:10 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:36:10 +0100 Subject: HW: hawkfan (Germany) Message-ID: Saw this, >P.S. Bedouin new CD put back to September, but at least >Harvey's being a >full-time member for the live dates in the autumn. For those >in Germany this >weekend, try and catch the excitement of Spacehead doing a >live set with Nik >Turner and Harvey Bainbridge as full concert members of the >band - should be >a goodie!!! and though, aha unashamed mini-plug opportunity here: And let's not forget Martyn from Dr Hasbeen twiddling away on all 6 of his strings with Spacehead ... :) Cheers guys. Mark (Hasbeen) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 14 06:55:10 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:55:10 +0100 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > linuxchaos "wrote": > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > @ALBUM: lyric.book > > Hawkwind Lyric Book > > > > All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. > > Was that really necessary?? I much prefer Berhard's recent approach of > announcing the availability of a large file and soliciting requests, > instead of simply posting it to the list. That's what FoFP does when he > makes updates to the Hawkwind Lyrics File he maintains, too. You should > take a leaf out of his book in future... Looks to me that those were from my files... FoFP From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jun 14 07:05:39 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michaelangelo) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:35:39 +0930 Subject: AW: HW: HAWKWIND files Message-ID: only 24 times droooooooooollllllllll ----- Original Message ----- From: Pospiech, Bernhard To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: AW: HW: HAWKWIND files > Hi > > > >you have been to 227 hawkwind concerts? wanna do a memory > swap?????? > :-))) > Unfortunately no. I've seen them only about 24 times live > > > Bernhard > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 09:00:44 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:00:44 EDT Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 7:19:52 PM, linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK writes: << well that was not a large file I think. I thought all you americans had cable modems anyway? >> ====== cue beach boys: "wouldnt it be nice". being on AOL, twould seem i can accept anything sent. bernhard's file and yr lyric file showed up and were downloaded, no prob. however... this is not the case w/a bunch of other BOC-L folx.... [duck, jill, duck!] and what's w/the sweeping generalization about "all you americans"? ummmm.....no. oy... "<>" From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jun 14 11:08:30 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:08:30 -0400 Subject: Off: Cosmic Ken's Radio Show Message-ID: If anybody is interested, Cosmic Ken from Delerium Records has a radio spot on the Radio Never Say Die website. He plays excellent psychedelic music! This is in Real Audio. WOW! www.rnsd.com Chris From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 12:23:37 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:23:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Hello all! Just a quick note to let you know that Mission Control has had a complete makeover. The new page is not up yet, but when it is it will be regularly updated and all Hawkwind information will be made available! Until then to put an end to speculation about Dave's intentions/motives/health/age/energy levels etc. He has agreed to do another BOC List on line type interview/open forum. He will answer all questions posted to him in the next 24 hours (post to HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2). Hope this is helpful. HW ----- Original Message ----- From: michaelangelo To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > hear hear > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > > > > > > > > > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > > > > > > > > > More likely the effects of age. > > > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone > entertained > > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I > think > > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, > look > > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, > methinks...... > > Andy Garibaldi. > > > From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Wed Jun 14 12:30:43 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:30:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Sorry to be a bother, but I just don't understand exactly where to send my question. Please help. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: XXX [mailto:boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:24 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Reformation Hello all! Just a quick note to let you know that Mission Control has had a complete makeover. The new page is not up yet, but when it is it will be regularly updated and all Hawkwind information will be made available! Until then to put an end to speculation about Dave's intentions/motives/health/age/energy levels etc. He has agreed to do another BOC List on line type interview/open forum. He will answer all questions posted to him in the next 24 hours (post to HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2). Hope this is helpful. HW ----- Original Message ----- From: michaelangelo To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:11 AM Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > hear hear > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > > > > > > > > > > What's going on? Is Dave just getting a bit burnt out with Hawkwind? > > > > > > > > > More likely the effects of age. > > > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone > entertained > > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I > think > > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, > look > > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, > methinks...... > > Andy Garibaldi. > > > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Jun 14 12:37:32 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:37:32 +0200 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: <009701bfd61c$f8e8d4e0$449593c3@default> Message-ID: Hello Dave Here are a couple of questions: 1) When will HAWKWIND be on tour again ? 2) What is the current lineup ? 3) What are HAWKWINDs future plans ? 4) What will be released next ? 5) Any chance to see HAWKWIND in Germany this year ? 6) What is your every favorige HAWKWIND gig ? Thank you very much for giving us again the chance to ask you some questions !! PLEASE GO ON THE ROAD AGAIN!!!! cheers Bernhard From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Jun 14 12:50:55 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:50:55 -0500 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dave! We'd all love to see you come to the US, even if it's just for one night at Strange Daze. If there's anything fans could do to help, let us know! dan From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Jun 14 13:00:40 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:00:40 -0400 Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dave- Great to hear that you'll answer some questions again. Thanks. 1) Do you have any plans, in the near or distant future, to tour the US again? I'd love to see you in California again. The weather here is fantastic!! 2) What are your feelings about Nik getting some sort of reunion show put together. 3) Any plans to work with Alan Davey again? Keep up the great work!! Dan Ductor From john.cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Jun 14 13:07:49 2000 From: john.cartledge at SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:07:49 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave, Two quick questions: Like many others, I was hoping that given the bands past association with Michael Eavis and the high number of votes that the band received on the Glastonbury website, there was a good chance of you playing there this year. Sadly, it hasn't happened. Would you still like to play Glastonbury, or do you prefer playing the smaller, less commercial festivals. Secondly. Have you heard the Hawkwind 'pastiche' on the reissue of Porcupine Tree's Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape album? If so, what do you make of it? Hoping for a tour soon. Cheers, John --------------------------------------------------------- Systems Programmer School Of Computing, Engineering & Technology University Of Sunderland Email : John.Cartledge at sunderland.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 14 13:55:32 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:55:32 +0100 Subject: Record shops in Paris? Message-ID: Going to Paris soon. Does anyone know of shops there selling rock vinyl? It's be good to finally nail that French Hassan I Sabha single... Is there an equivalent of Record Collector in France? Does anyone from the list live there and fancy a pint? FoFP "Questions are a burden to others. Answers a prison for oneself" -- Poster up in the town hall of The Village. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 14:08:40 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:08:40 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave/Kris I guess when a band's being going as long as Hawkwind, and we all have so much enthusiam for it's continuance, we've got a tendency to get jittery every time a lull in proceedings occurs! Are we being unduly pesimistic about your future intentions for the group? Also, what were your overall impressions of the NZ/Aussie tour? Ian Abrahams From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 14:31:22 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:31:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Thin Lizzy advert! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 2:57:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > dread when we check our general email, is it not? spam? > not a big deal. im sure the service is all mr g says it is. ive read all of > his posts and found them all informative, interesting and entertaining. but > it's my feeling that this list should be a 'commercial-free' zone. > what say you all? > rmayo Not if he continues to "advertise" Hawkwind and the like (and look, Larr, I didn't use a label! :) Reunion T. Lizzy might be going too far, though. Then again, I wouldn't want to encourage any rules--it's the "rule-breaking" on this list that I often find most interesting. (So Sue me, Sue.) Just remember to add the OFF when appropriate. Speaking of which, I hope no one is annoyed w/the weekly posting of my play-list. However, I've still never aired a show w/out any HW! Then again, I'm sure people object to many song/version choices, as _is_ the rule w/HW. :) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 14:40:25 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:40:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Spacehead w/Nik and Harvey Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/00 4:27:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > P.S. Bedouin new CD put back to September, but at least Harvey's being a > full-time member for the live dates in the autumn. For those in Germany this > weekend, try and catch the excitement of Spacehead doing a live set with Nik > Turner and Harvey Bainbridge as full concert members of the band - should be > a goodie!!! ...and get a tape of it, please!! Chuck From flossbac at NLCI.COM Wed Jun 14 14:57:36 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:57:36 -0500 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave and Kris, I think the list has gone a little nutty with speculation regarding HW because the recent announcement of Richard and Jerry touring the USA (without the other Hawkwind members) sounds a bit like a mutiny. Granted, there has been no announcement of that fact, and probably they are just interested in pursuing some other sounds on the side, but I guess what we're all wondering about is what's in store for HW in the next several months? Will we be seeing a new studio record or a new tour? a new lineup? Hawkwind has survived past turbulence before, and I expect that this will be no more stressful, but naturally every little fluctuation causes some panic in us fans! By the way, I thought "In Your Area" was a great, solid record! Respectfully, John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From jessica.swart at STUDENT.UVA.NL Wed Jun 14 16:14:46 2000 From: jessica.swart at STUDENT.UVA.NL (Donald en Jessica) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:14:46 +0200 Subject: OFF: LPD-Hawkwind link Message-ID: It's funny to see the Legendary Pink Dots on this list! Check http://www.paperclip-agency.com/ or http://brainwashed.com/lpd/welcome.html and you will find out that the band is celebrating it's 20th anniversary this year. I saw them severaltimes in the early '90s in the Netherlands. In 1991 Martijn de Kleer joined the band playing guitar (later also violin and drums). A couple of weeks before joining LPD he played in a 'Hawkwind-cover-band-for-a-one-night-gig' in the Burgerweeshuis in Deventer, Holland. He could play it all! Bass, guitars, vocals: no problems. Perhaps if you ask him now ...? Donald v/d Akker From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 14 16:32:59 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:32:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Errr.........the following was just opinion based on how I'd feel if I was Dave - I do not have a hotline to the almighty!!!!! Setting the record staright before the real answers arrive, Andy Garibaldi. > > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone > > entertained > > > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, > just > > > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do.............. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Jun 14 16:33:09 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:33:09 -0700 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: OK, I promised "Psi Power" a while back (figure out the keyboard solo yourself!), and Steve Pond's mention of the difficulty of the "Damnation Alley" midsection got me motivated to figure that one out, too (damn! that's a lot of chords! no wonder!). I've recently been on a roll of charting out Hawkwind songs (being the guy in the cover band who has to teach the songs to the rest will do this to you), so more (around a dozen?) can be expected from me in the near future. And thanks to Mike Holmes for the lyrics file from which I grabbed all the words ... --------------------------------------------------------- DAMNATION ALLEY ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) A E D I've got the serum and I'm going to take it A E D All the way to Boston, oh I've got to get through A E D The going won't be easy, but I'm going to make it A It's the only thing that I'm cut out to do D Ride the post-atomic radioactive trash D The sky's on fire from that nuclear flash A E D Diving through the burning hoop of doom in an A eight wheeled anti-radiation tomb C B Thank you Dr. Strangelove for going do-lally and E D leaving me the heritage of Damnation Alley, Damnation Alleyway slow middle section / violin solo part: A / / / C / B G A / / / / / / / G / / / E / C B G A / / / / / / C / / / D / B / A / / / / / / / C / / / B / G / D / / / / / / / "radiation wasteland" part: A / / / C C / / PSI POWER ( -Calvert- -Brock- ) Em D When I was a kid in school C They showed me symbols on a card Em D Then they sent them from a locked and bolted room C I had to fake that it was hard Em C Circle, square, triangle, waves D I got them crystal clear by the hour Em D And all I said was "may I please take a rest?" C I didn't want them to know I was possessed C G with Psi Power C G Psi Power C G D Psi Power Em I can read your mind like a magazine D I see where you're at I know what you mean C I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep bridge / keyboard solo part: A# - C (8 beats each) Em - D - C (as in verse: Em & D 4 beats each, C 8 beats) --------------------------------------------------------- Enjoy! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 14 16:51:04 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:51:04 +0100 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: > DAMNATION ALLEY > ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) > A E D > I've got the serum and I'm going to take it Not quite - there's a strange A5 instead of the E (-022555 in bad tab) and the D is --4232. "radiation wasteland" part: A / / / C C / / A/A6 (-02220 / -04220) --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 14 17:24:52 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:24:52 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave, like just about everyone else, I guess, I'd like to know what the current/future plans for the band are. Is there any chance of you playing at any of these shows with Nik? It sounds like they could be quite a buzz. Where has Thomas Crimble been all these years? I think you've probably been asked this one before too, but is there any chance of you taking an acoustic guitar on tour with you? I'm sure there's a great many people who'd like to hear Hurry On Sundown or Space Is Deep live again. The new hall at the Stables has now been opened, I believe, so perhaps you could come and christen it sometime... Look forward to some news, Nick From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:21:45 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:45 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Yes! Help me to materialise over there without a long gruelling plane journey. Every time I go on a long flight I end up with flu due to germs on planes. Too much for just one night........... I will be there in spirit and I could always sing via a telephone link if anyone wants to get it together! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Dave! > > We'd all love to see you come to the US, even if it's just for one night > at Strange Daze. If there's anything fans could do to help, let us > know! > > > > dan > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:18:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:18:47 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hello Dave > > Here are a couple of questions: > > 1) When will HAWKWIND be on tour again ? Autumn > 2) What is the current lineup ? Floating in space (but plenty to choose from) > 3) What are HAWKWINDs future plans ? Hawkwind Family Tree CD (all new studio material + some unreleased golden oldies) To be released by Voiceprint soon. Also the Hawkwind Brockspace album, all new material, being released in September. 13 videos of various unreleased material from 1981 to 2000. > 4) What will be released next ? See above > 5) Any chance to see HAWKWIND in Germany this year ? I hope so. If we get a German promoter. Anytime > 6) What is your every favorige HAWKWIND gig ? Too many to list! > > Thank you very much for giving us again the chance to ask you some > questions !! PLEASE GO ON THE ROAD AGAIN!!!! > > > cheers > Bernhard Thank you Bernhard. > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:27:16 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:27:16 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cartledge To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave, > > Two quick questions: > > Like many others, I was hoping that given the bands past association > with Michael Eavis and the high number of votes that the band received > on the Glastonbury website, there was a good chance of you playing there > this year. Sadly, it hasn't happened. > Would you still like to play Glastonbury, or do you prefer playing the > smaller, less commercial festivals. We were negotiating to play Glastonbury, but we insisted on playing one of the main stages and doing a full show, featuring many famous faces from the past. Unfortunately, Nik's agent undercut us and offered his version of "Hawkwind" at a much reduced profile, on one of the smaller stages. We felt that if we were to play at Glastonbury, we owed it to the fans to put on a proper, explosive show with all guns blazing. Glastonbury powers went for the cheaper smaller option. So Fuck them!!!!!!!! > > Secondly. Have you heard the Hawkwind 'pastiche' on the reissue of > Porcupine Tree's Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape album? If so, what do you No I have not heard it but if you would like to send me a copy............... > make of it? > > Hoping for a tour soon. > > Cheers, > > John > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Systems Programmer > School Of Computing, Engineering & Technology > University Of Sunderland > Email : John.Cartledge at sunderland.ac.uk > -------------------------------------------------------- > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:33:01 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:33:01 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: IAN ABRAHAMS To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave/Kris > > I guess when a band's being going as long as Hawkwind, and we all have so > much enthusiam for it's continuance, we've got a tendency to get jittery > every time a lull in proceedings occurs! Are we being unduly pesimistic > about your future intentions for the group? Basically I am on duty with Hawkwind every week and over the past few years I have financed rehearsals etc. There comes a time when one has to have a little rest from it. This does not mean that I have stopped, I am concentrating on getting more music together and various new releases. We are not dead but only sleeping! > > Also, what were your overall impressions of the NZ/Aussie tour? Well I enjoyed myself but I did not enjoy having to set my own gear up in NZ before we played and take it down again afterwards. More organisation would have been appreciated. I am not the manager of this band. Australia was very organised. > > Ian Abrahams > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:37:26 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:37:26 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hello John..........Do not panic!! There are a lot of things underway. See Bernhard's questions and answers for future plans. Jerry and Richard are just doing a private project. I am planning some projects myself with Simon House and Tim Blake. We are not dead but only sleeping! ----- Original Message ----- From: flossbac To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave and Kris, > > I think the list has gone a little nutty with speculation regarding HW > because the recent announcement of Richard and Jerry touring the USA > (without the other Hawkwind members) sounds a bit like a mutiny. Granted, > there has been no announcement of that fact, and probably they are just > interested in pursuing some other sounds on the side, but I guess what we're > all wondering about is what's in store for HW in the next several months? > Will we be seeing a new studio record or a new tour? a new lineup? > Hawkwind has survived past turbulence before, and I expect that this will be > no more stressful, but naturally every little fluctuation causes some panic > in us fans! > > By the way, I thought "In Your Area" was a great, solid record! > > Respectfully, > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:39:26 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:39:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Hello Andy! Don't worry we are online, still sailing on, but you are pretty accurate in your views! ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > Errr.........the following was just opinion based on how I'd feel if I was > Dave - I do not have a hotline to the almighty!!!!! > Setting the record staright before the real answers arrive, > Andy Garibaldi. > > > > > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone > > > entertained > > > > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, > > just > > > > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do.............. > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 17:45:46 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:45:46 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave, > > like just about everyone else, I guess, I'd like to know what the > current/future plans for the band are. Is there any chance of you playing > at any of these shows with Nik? It sounds like they could be quite a buzz. > Where has Thomas Crimble been all these years? I do not know what Nik is doing as he has not contacted me about it. He has not contacted Lemmy either (or Simon H. or Tim Blake or many other ex members) > > I think you've probably been asked this one before too, but is there any > chance of you taking an acoustic guitar on tour with you? I'm sure there's > a great many people who'd like to hear Hurry On Sundown or Space Is Deep > live again. Yes, I am at the moment recording an acoustic plus electronic album, to be released at the end of the year. > > The new hall at the Stables has now been opened, I believe, so perhaps you > could come and christen it sometime... > Sounds jolly fun...I would love to do that. > Look forward to some news, > > Nick > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Jun 14 17:41:59 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:41:59 -0700 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: Hi Kevin, Thanks for the corrections! On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:51:04 +0100, Kevin Perry wrote: >> DAMNATION ALLEY >> ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) >> A E D >> I've got the serum and I'm going to take it > >Not quite - there's a strange A5 instead of the E (-022555 in bad tab) and >the D is --4232. > >>"radiation wasteland" part: >>A / / / C C / / > >A/A6 (-02220 / -04220) There could easily be some other mistakes, since I was working that one out on bass (I'm a crap guitarist) and did not verify chords on a keyboard. I'll have to listen again to the actual recordings, but I seem to recall the main riff to "Damnation Alley" sounding slightly different on the 'Palace Springs' version, so that might be where I got the A-E-D instead of A-A5-D. Also, in the course of this project, I verified that the original studio versions of both "Master of the Universe" and "Urban Guerilla" are among those songs recorded a half-step lower than later live versions (CYM '82 and Hawklords '78 versions, respectively). I believe someone already mentioned the saxophone theory? Since Eb is a standard key for saxophones, that would explain why most of the UA (Nik era) material was done a half-step down. It might also explain, since in '82 Hawkwind were playing the songs in a "standard" guitar/bass key signature (E/A/etc.), why Nik's sax playing frequently didn't "gel" with the rest of the band at that time - because they were playing out-of-tune relative to his instrument! Perhaps I should ask about this in the Open Forum with Dave? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 18:09:24 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:09:24 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: A "few" questions for you: 1. A few years back you had the opinion that a larger line-up wasn't needed because of sequencers etc. Some may think that although the three piece line-up was tight it was also a little sterile (Ron changed that for the better!). Have your views changed? 2. In your ideal world what would your plans be re Hawkwind/Solo output over the next couple of years? 3. The Gong reunion in Brixton in 94 worked well (even with one or two notable ex -members missing) with various off-shoot bands and solo appearances before the Gong re-union line-up. Could/should Hawkwind try a similar thing? (Gong are now more together with regards to gigs and output than ever) 4. I've posted on this one before, I like the idea of flexible line-ups trying new ideas (multiple Hawkwinds). Your opinion? 5. Your number one unresolved ambition, musical that is? 6. What do you listen to? 7. Your ideal Hawkwind line-up? 8. When you play Glasgow next....get better promotion (Do you intend to play here soon?) 9. What about a release of archive video/film footage? That clip from 1970 could be released, dubbed with tracks from the early lp's, along with other material. 10. Your number one regret with regard to Hawkwind (apart from sacking Lemmy)? 11. When did you last speak to Eric Clapton? Thanks, see you at future gigs. Dave PS More (louder) guitar and less sequencers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 18:19:33 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:19:33 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Blimey, is that working with Simon and Tim together (or two different projects). Will they tour with you? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 14 18:27:13 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:27:13 +0100 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: I've played it too many times! --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Pearson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:41 PM Subject: Re: HW: a couple more song charts > Hi Kevin, > > Thanks for the corrections! > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:51:04 +0100, Kevin Perry > wrote: > >> DAMNATION ALLEY > >> ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) > >> A E D > >> I've got the serum and I'm going to take it > > > >Not quite - there's a strange A5 instead of the E (-022555 in bad tab) and > >the D is --4232. > > > >>"radiation wasteland" part: > >>A / / / C C / / > > > >A/A6 (-02220 / -04220) > > There could easily be some other mistakes, since I was working that one out > on bass (I'm a crap guitarist) and did not verify chords on a keyboard. > I'll have to listen again to the actual recordings, but I seem to recall > the main riff to "Damnation Alley" sounding slightly different on the > 'Palace Springs' version, so that might be where I got the A-E-D instead of > A-A5-D. > > Also, in the course of this project, I verified that the original studio > versions of both "Master of the Universe" and "Urban Guerilla" are among > those songs recorded a half-step lower than later live versions (CYM '82 > and Hawklords '78 versions, respectively). I believe someone already > mentioned the saxophone theory? Since Eb is a standard key for saxophones, > that would explain why most of the UA (Nik era) material was done a > half-step down. It might also explain, since in '82 Hawkwind were playing > the songs in a "standard" guitar/bass key signature (E/A/etc.), why Nik's > sax playing frequently didn't "gel" with the rest of the band at that time > - because they were playing out-of-tune relative to his instrument! > > Perhaps I should ask about this in the Open Forum with Dave? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed Jun 14 19:04:27 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates Inc) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:04:27 -0600 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hello Dave, 1) Weren't you working on a Ledge of Darkness theme? 2) I second the idea of more acoustic guitar (6 string and 12 string.) 3) Do you plan to do more space theme music? 4) there is no #4 Best regards, Mark Licht clemens at trail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jun 14 19:11:41 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:11:41 -0400 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: <009701bfd61c$f8e8d4e0$449593c3@default> Message-ID: Thank you for hosting another "open forum." It is much appreciated! Here are a couple of queries: 1) Do you prefer creating new music in the studio, or playing live in front of an audience (which gives you the most creative satisfaction)? 2) Do you see yourself as a composer or a performer nowadays (kind of a related question)? 3) Who chooses what back catalogue (e.g., vintage live recordings) to release? Is there a lot of existing material to choose from? 4) Can you make it easier for non-UK people to partake in the Hawkwind Passport programme? (Maybe nominating a US-based "notary" to handle the folks in the US?) 5) Do all the sequencers stifle improvisation in a live setting? (If so, can that be negated by having more folks on stage?) 6) Will you ever play "It's So Easy" again? (Okay, so it's my favourite Hawkwind song...:) 7) Given the huge popularity of the Space Ritual-era material in fan polls, have you ever considered incorporating more of that sound/ vibe in shows nowadays? 8) [And most importantly...] Why don't you play more guitar?? Cheers, and long may the Hawk fly! Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 14 19:08:58 2000 From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:08:58 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dave, Whatever happened to the CD that was on the verge of being released called something along the lines of ...... Dave Brock 7595? I seem to remember being given the opportunity to hear it on tape, in the foyer, prior to a HW show. Did it metamorphosise into Strange Trips or White Zone? 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I will be in the UK August-September are there any gigs planned ? thanks for your time Marty Lawrence From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Wed Jun 14 20:16:25 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:16:25 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: <008101bfd649$27f09c60$7a9493c3@default> Message-ID: Hi Dave Apart from producing music for the ears of we HW fans. Hawkwind to all intents and purposes functions as a business to provide yourself and the other members with a living. Although over the years you obviously plough a lot of time ( and money) into the music and tours, I have often felt (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the band lacked a good publicity and marketting machine behind it. This shortcoming seemed to be highlighted during the mini UK tour late last year,when the only means of finding out about the tour was by 'word of mouth' or the internet. ( I recollect a few people commenting on the lack of publicity on your address book!!!!.) I couldn't help but think that after a resurge of publicity from the re-showing of the silver machine clip on TOTP2 and reviews of Epoch Eclipse in the Times and Guardian acknowledging your 30 yrs in the business,as well as talk of a reunion,that there was a golden opportunity to capitalise on this. So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a third full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people here!" If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact that there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! Melvyn From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 04:20:17 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:20:17 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: Cheers! Hail open source and the Linux Revolution. Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, linuxchaos wrote: > > => I thought all you americans had > => cable modems anyway? > > I wish! :-) > > Anyway, I guess it'll come in handy; I can put up a copy on my FTP site. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 04:28:28 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:28:28 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: Oh dear what big trouble I must be in! M Holmes wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > > > linuxchaos "wrote": > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > @ALBUM: lyric.book > > > Hawkwind Lyric Book > > > > > > All Hawkwind songs to which complete lyrics are known. > > > > > Was that really necessary?? I much prefer Berhard's recent approach of > > announcing the availability of a large file and soliciting requests, > > instead of simply posting it to the list. That's what FoFP does when he > > makes updates to the Hawkwind Lyrics File he maintains, too. You should > > take a leaf out of his book in future... > > Looks to me that those were from my files... > > FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jun 14 20:26:17 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:26:17 -0400 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Melvyn Vincent wrote: => So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a third => full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people here!" => If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music => press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! => Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact that => there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. => => Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why => don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves => better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) => After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one or two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free ticket to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in advance. I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the band seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! Maybe Hawkwind might bear this in mind? (I'm sure there are willing people on this list...) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Thu Jun 15 04:33:56 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:33:56 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: [Message 041493 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 04:47:08 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:47:08 -0700 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hello, Seems to me that the reunion is happenning now! I mean Huw Lloyd Langton played with you at Blackheath etc Harvey & Nik etc. A sort of continuous drop in I suppose? Or will it be an all guns blazing type of affair with robes? (I wish). luv in space ben From BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Thu Jun 15 04:51:26 2000 From: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:51:26 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: [Message 041495 deleted by moderator at the author's request] From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Jun 14 20:49:28 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:49:28 -0700 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: >America I thought was just a spanish word anyway? Italian actually, after Amerigo Vespucci, Italian cartographer. scorch "God bless Vespucciland..." From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 20:48:32 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:48:32 -0400 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dear Dave, Hope you are well and having fun.I wanted to ask you about the following from Huw Lloyd Langton's website: THE HAWKWIND REUNION BAND ARE PLANNING 5 WARM-UP DATES IN JULY. DATES AND TIMES WILL BE ADDED HERE SHORTLY. LINE-UP INCLUDES NIK TURNER, HUW LLOYD-LANGTON, TERRY OLLIS, THOMAS CRIMBLE, POSSIBLY DIK MIK AND OF COURSE DAVE BROCK. ONE DATE WILL BE IN ABERDEEN. NO FIRM DATE YET FOR GRAND REUNION WITH LEMMY AT BRIXTON ACADEMY - RUMOURED TO BE SOME TIME END OF SEPTEMBER, BUT NOT CONFIRMED. What is your take on this?Also according to the Hawkwind.com site Simon House is joining Nik Turner and most of the above in Wales in July. What's the situation as regards you and any of these plans? Sorry you won't make Strange Daze this year.I look forward to whatever musical directions you choose to take us in,and thanks for all the years of great music. El From capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM Wed Jun 14 21:01:19 2000 From: capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM (Captain Cloud) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hawkfan greetings Dave et al: I am frequently curious as to what music is or has influenced musicians that I prefer to listen to (such as yourself). While there have been occasional articles that mention some of your past influences, who or what recent musical releases have you found interesting? Other than HW or related music... In short, what have you been listening to lately? Cheers! Captain Cloud capcloud at hawklord.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Jun 14 21:24:29 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:24:29 -0500 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hello Dave: You said in a previous response: "Unfortunately, Nik's agent undercut us and offered his version of "Hawkwind" at a much reduced profile, on one of the smaller stages." Though this is quite unfortumate, does it mean that you at odds with Nik, or might there be one day an amicable agreement with his agent whereby you all may work together again soon?. Thanks and best regards, Tom From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 22:25:24 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:25:24 -0400 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dear Dave, While you are being so good as to be available for questions there were 2 others I thought of for you.Do you still have an interest in science fiction books and are there any that have inspired you recently?I also wanted to ask if you listen to any of the new space rock bands out there in England,America,and the continent,and if there were any you particularly liked.Thanks for the chance to communicate,and thanks again for the mus From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 14 22:28:37 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:28:37 -0400 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: My posts keep getting cut off at the end,My last post was supposed to end: Thanks for the chance to communicate,and thanks again for the music,Eli From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 08:22:17 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:22:17 -0700 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUN WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hello again, Just wondered if there was any chance you could do a solo tour or whatever, and let your backing band get on with there own reformation? best wishes ben From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Jun 15 00:49:15 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:49:15 EDT Subject: OFF(?)pink fairies site Message-ID: Found one for the "Pink Fairies"... http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/colpink.htm?id=204.49.76.87 cool... rmayo From IainFerguson at CS.COM Thu Jun 15 04:52:07 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:52:07 EDT Subject: HW: Dave open forum question Message-ID: Dave, Anymore of that lovely trance music coming out. I love the Solstice remixes, USOMars remixes. YOu would not believe the number of people who are getting off on it. all new to Hawkwind music "even my wife " Love to see you live again in the south west of england open air, last time was Treeworgy " terrific gig" Love & Peace iain Ferguson From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jun 15 05:30:08 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:30:08 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: Howdy Sir, axually, we met in '91, spliffing at dr. synth's....i was the guy asking too many questions...heh- === anyway.... the (ahem) grateful dead have been releasing a series called, i think, 'dick's picks'; entire shows of theirs considered to be exceptional. i believe the series is to continue despite the passing of 'dick' last year. would you consider doing anything analogous to this series? edmonton 26/1/74 would be my first choice. seeing as three tracks had been [doctored and] released from that show, the entire show must [?] exist. attractions would include a 10-minute "it's so easy", an 8-minute "paradox" [they became the released versions] and a rare '74 appearance by mr. Calvert. ah, dont worry that mr. House's parts had been dubbed in the studio at the time....leave 'em off! = and while it's true my main interest is the 'lemmy era', there's no doubt many shows from other eras/lineups which could be released....perhaps BOC-L folx could suggest other shows you might release in the same manner. whatcha think? == respectfully yours, [ha-about as 'respectful' as i ever get around here...] "<>" larry b. das ludicroix From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 06:05:49 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:05:49 +1000 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi, Dave Do you think the internet (or any other factor) has 'globalised' Hawkwind? I'm not sure exactly how to explain what I mean, but back in the 70's and 80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. In 1984, out of about 25 HW penfriends, I knew _one_ person in the USA, and he got into HW because he found a HW cassette lying in the middle of the street, and didn't even know who it was for years. Now the majority of this list seems to be American. I know to a certain extent this is a reflection of internet demographics, but it has to be more than that. 15 or 20 years ago I just never heard of HW fans in America, now there seem to be at least as many American as British. I'm supposing this isn't just some delusion on my part, because you didn't tour there all through the 80's either. Is that to do with increased popularity in the US, or changes in venues/touring styles,economies of scale, etc? On a related theme, North American native content has seemingly been present to some extent in HW ever since In Search of Space, and with 'Ghost Dance' in the 80's, but has also become more noticeable in later years. The covers of both Space Bandits and Electric Teepee have helped add to this Americanized image I have of HW, as compared with say, the Stonehenge cover back in 84. So I guess I'm asking, do you feel more international than you used to? :) It feels to me that, rather than having what verged on a mainstream following in commercial sales terms in the 70's, but quite geographically restricted, you now have more of a niche market, but much more widely distributed (I have no idea how many albums you sell now, compared with 1985, but does that seem like a halfway fair statement?) To all in general: I'm going overseas for 6 weeks as of Sunday, so I'll be logging off in 3 days so as not to have the mailbox choked when I come back. I'll re-sub and see you then. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 06:14:18 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:14:18 +1000 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: I just thought of something else I might as well check while you're here. Do you have any objections if I make excerpts from the 'interview' tape you made me in your car in 1984 available on the web? It was supposed to be for radio broadcast anyway; I'm not doing radio nowadays, but I figure this is still 'broadcasting'. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK Thu Jun 15 06:46:51 2000 From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:46:51 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave,Kris Any more private party's ? we missed the last one as we were on the other side of the channel (where the sun did eclipse !!) and any more passport holders releases I think these are a wonderful idea especially if the band gets more money directly from them. love, light and peace Merrick & Julie French (who are on their way to Glastonbury with no dogs, no children, no responsibilities and a 3 day party) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 15 07:12:48 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:12:48 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:37:26 +0100 Message-ID: XXX writes: > Hello John..........Do not panic!! There are a lot of things underway. See > Bernhard's questions and answers for future plans. Jerry and Richard are > just doing a private project. I am planning some projects myself with Simon > House and Tim Blake. That's great news for us Blake fans! Is Tim getting active again? FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jun 15 07:29:00 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:29:00 EDT Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/00 6:14:51 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << but back in the 70's and 80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. >> ===== um.....not _entirely_. elstwise i wouldnt've heard of them. heh. i believe, 'cept for 'astounding sounds' [?], everything thru 'pxr 5' was released in the states. and 'mtn. grill' climbed all the way up to #133 on the BILLBOARD 'top 200'. i'd assume the couple three previous had done better; i just happened to follow that lp in BILLBOARD. and i used to own a mono/stereo US promo single of 'urban guerrilla'. dont recall ever hearing it on the radio [yeah right] but CREEM had mentioned its withdrawal from the UK charts in '73. so they werent _quite_ unknown or invisible until the end of the '70s....not that you'd find too many folx who'd heard of them...that was _my_ 'mission' during the "lemmy era", earning me the nickname 'hawk' from a few friends. no, really! once, in '76, i saw a kid leaving a record store, having purchased the 'space ritual' lp. i asked him why he bought it and he said some friends told him it was like 'sabbath meets floyd' ===== <" From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jun 15 07:19:15 2000 From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill Freeman) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:19:15 +0800 Subject: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hi Dave I know Hawkwind recently stopped off in Sydney for a couple of gigs, (and a studio session) before going on to New Zealand - are you considering coming back and doing a national tour including Perth (Western Australia) within the next few years? 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The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly > attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! > Little Feat has an organized grassroots movement that receives input from the band. The band usually invites them backstage etc. and interacts with the fans a lot. Works well for all concerned... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 15 07:49:39 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:49:39 EDT Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: <394894F4.75698F3C@netscapeonline.co.uk> Message-ID: On 15 Jun 00, at 1:33, linuxchaos wrote: > Hey I'm half Jack United States / English myself. Ancestry goes back > to Benedict Arnold I guess I just thought that all that consumer > capitalism went a bit far. Are we really Americans at all? My roots > are English & German mostly. So Benedict was the great traitor who > nearly cost America her revolution? From what I've read it seems that > he batted for both sides! > Benedict Arnold was indeed a decorated hero for the revolution before he flipped sides... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jun 15 09:28:13 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:28:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: linuxchaos wrote: > Cheers! > > Hail open source and the Linux Revolution. I'm more of a NetBSD man, myself, but I echo the sentiment! Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jun 15 10:24:43 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:24:43 +0100 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: Ben, didn't the Templars end up in Scotland? Didn't you realise that the Warrior LP cover is actually a Templar Knight atop Glen Coe :-) Guy -----Original Message----- From: linuxchaos [mailto:linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK] Sent: 15 June 2000 09:51 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Further to that, the Vikings discovered merica (the star in the west) then the Knights Templar, that mystical brotherhood of warrior monks! What about the native indians who crossed ... you know the rest. So can we clain any american blood at all? America I thought was just a spanish word anyway? linuxchaos wrote: > Hey I'm half Jack United States / English myself. Ancestry goes back to Benedict > Arnold I guess I just thought that all that consumer capitalism went a bit far. > Are we really Americans at all? My roots are English & German mostly. So Benedict > was the great traitor who nearly cost America her revolution? From what I've read > it seems that he batted for both sides! > > I'm getting ADSL soon hopefully, I just admire the forward looking solar > technology available in the states thats all - a contradiction in terms! > > Oh well! > > DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/13/00 7:19:52 PM, linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK writes: > > > > << well that was not a large file I think. I thought all you americans had > > cable modems anyway? > > >> > > ====== > > cue beach boys: "wouldnt it be nice". > > > > being on AOL, twould seem i can accept anything sent. bernhard's file and yr > > lyric file showed up and were downloaded, no prob. > > > > however... > > > > this is not the case w/a bunch of other BOC-L folx.... > > > > [duck, jill, duck!] > > > > and what's w/the sweeping generalization about "all you americans"? > > > > ummmm.....no. > > > > oy... > > > > "<>" From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jun 15 10:29:03 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:29:03 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dave, You mentioned new videos that you were going to release. Do you have a list of gigs? I can now generate Stereo Hi8 or Stereo SVHS tapes of the gigs that I filmed, between 1992-1995, from my Stereo Hi8 masters, if these are better for you than the good old-fashioned mono VHS copies that I sent you originally! Guy T. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jun 15 10:17:09 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:17:09 -0400 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: At 03:24 PM 6/15/2000 +0100, Thomas Guy wrote: >Ben, didn't the Templars end up in Scotland? Didn't you realise that the >Warrior LP cover is actually a Templar Knight atop Glen Coe :-) They were wiped out by the Stonecutters in a ruthless recruiting war in the 1890s... "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jun 15 11:10:30 2000 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:10:30 +0100 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: Andrew - not the.......not the........Stonecutters...........AAARRRGGGHHHHHH All those terrible blood-curdling oaths, and correctly pressed knuckles! Guy -----Original Message----- From: Andrew A. Apold [mailto:mordru at FLITE.NET] Sent: 15 June 2000 15:17 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files At 03:24 PM 6/15/2000 +0100, Thomas Guy wrote: >Ben, didn't the Templars end up in Scotland? Didn't you realise that the >Warrior LP cover is actually a Templar Knight atop Glen Coe :-) They were wiped out by the Stonecutters in a ruthless recruiting war in the 1890s... "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jun 15 12:10:06 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:10:06 +0800 Subject: HW: NTSC PAL MPEG Message-ID: I'm thinking of doing something similar by converting the videos to the MPEG-4 format (DIVX), which holds about the same amount of info that could fit on DVD on a normal CD. The only drawback is that it won't play on standalone DVD players. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "linuxchaos" To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:15 AM Subject: HW: NTSC PAL MPEG > Chris - > > Theres loads of videos I'd like but due to different encoding this is > going to be a bit tricky - > > My video plays NTSC would I need an NTSC TV? I think the video somehow > fools the TV into accepting NTSC as PAL? I suppose thats a question for > the video tech support, failing that we could do a swap and see if it > works. > > What I want to do is encode the HW videos to MPEG DVD 9 then 1 concert > would fit comfortably on a CD-R. That would get round the compatibility > issue? > > Does anyone know of any MPEG encoding cards? I dont like the miro ones > much are there any alternatives that would run on win2k or linux? > > sorry to veer "OFF" on that. > > > Ben > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jun 15 13:01:15 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:01:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <008101bfd572$f2b995a0$940dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone entertained > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I think > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, look > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, methinks...... It's encouraging to hear this sort of stuff, especially from someone with a better right to speak as an informed source than many, but I still have a rather jaundiced viewpoint. Since I first started really following HW in '96 I've seen far more broken plans for gigs and shows and projects than I have successful ones, and I get sceptical. What happened to the Death Generator Project? That new album that was supposed to be coming out in time for Christmas last year and was supposedly one third recorded in March? I'll believe it when I see it, basically. And while I entirely accept that Dave has a perfect right to take time off and so on, even if the other people who were on the tour with him don't seem to feel the need (and Simon and Harvey are no younger than he is, are they? And Nik's older, but as Andy says he's a special case :-), I do wish he'd say that's what he's doing rather than promising gig after gig and project after project that just never materialise. It makes it difficult to Believe. What do _I_ want? I want a scheduled tour most of whose dates are kept, not now, but in the autumn maybe, one that happens, and I want some more product. I was thinking last year that with all the guests and old members around the place maybe the best way to do the "reunion" would be on CD, with the Death Generator thing blown up into a concept project with various people guesting on individual tracks and so on. I think the last "tour" showed that for some of the modern Hawkwind tracks it's easy to have too many people on stage, so not everyone on everything, but the potential's clearly there especially since the whole Death Generator story involves a reunion of sorts anyway. But that's a pipe-dream, I accept that. What I'd like is just some indication that Hawkwind as a band is functional, to the extent of being able to mount a tour with a double-figure number of dates or some recorded project, you know, like working bands do. Forgive my cynicism, by the way, I was going to see Man tonight. For those who don't know they had to cancel yesterday because Phil Ryan's wife is on life-support in Denmark. Can't blame anyone for that, so perhaps I'm blaming the Hawks too readily. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jun 15 13:09:03 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:09:03 +0100 Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! In-Reply-To: <006201bfd58f$7fbe97e0$a88bbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > BTW, if Hawkwind did a reunion gig without Dave Brock, what would that be > called (and that's serious, altho' funny comments will be most welcome!!) Nik Turner's Reunion Band, wasn't it? Two dates already scheduled, I thought... > P.S. Bedouin new CD put back to September, but at least Harvey's being a > full-time member for the live dates in the autumn. For those in Germany this > weekend, try and catch the excitement of Spacehead doing a live set with Nik > Turner and Harvey Bainbridge as full concert members of the band - should be > a goodie!!! Marvellous! The only thing missing from Bedouin was a bit of extra swoosh. I'd rather Alan provided it than Harvey but I suppose even with that foot-pedal setup he was using last time I saw them theres limits to what he can do and play the bass at the same time. And I likeHarvey's swoosh lots too. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 14:37:26 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:37:26 +1000 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: At 07:29 AM 6/15/00 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 6/15/00 6:14:51 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > ><< but back in the 70's and >80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. >> >===== >um.....not _entirely_. >elstwise i wouldnt've heard of them. >heh. > >i believe, 'cept for 'astounding sounds' [?], everything thru 'pxr 5' was >released in the states. and 'mtn. grill' climbed all the way up to #133 on >the BILLBOARD 'top 200'. Well, true ('fact my LP of HOTMG is American), but it did much better than #133 in the UK. Plus, selling x number of units in the US doesn't require you to be as popular as selling the same number in the UK, so an album can be released in the US even if only a much smaller % of the population is going to buy it (atleast that makes sense to me. I have no idea if it actually is/was the way things work/ed) Bob also says on that '81 tape that, in terms of commercial success Hawkwind were successful 'not at all, to any great extent, in the USA, except for sort of major industrial towns like Detroit' But hey, you live there :) >i'd assume the couple three previous had done better; i just happened to >follow that lp in BILLBOARD. > >and i used to own a mono/stereo US promo single of 'urban guerrilla'. dont >recall ever hearing it on the radio [yeah right] but CREEM had mentioned its >withdrawal from the UK charts in '73. Well I've got an Australian single of 'Kings of Speed', but it wasn't exactly a smash hit, y'know... ;) >fellow yanks, feel free to contend that the early '80s lp's _were_ released >in the states, but i dont remember 'em... >'levitation', maybe? For the record, everything, including the compilations, was released in Australia, up to and including Levitation (except 'Repeat Performance' was called 'Rock Legends') After that, there was a gap till 'Xenon Codex', and I don't know of any since, though my knowledge of 90's HW releases is not strong. -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jun 15 15:53:39 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:53:39 EDT Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: well well, [laughs] this one is thinking what we have here, tim, is: "almost purely" vs. "not _entirely_" . "same difference", in the new england vernacular...dont'cha think? heh. ==== as you're leaving us for a spell, happy trails to you! ^_~ "<>" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 15 16:27:16 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:27:16 -0700 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:30:08 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >anyway.... >the (ahem) grateful dead have been releasing a series called, i think, >'dick's picks'; >entire shows of theirs considered to be exceptional. i believe the series is >to continue despite the passing of 'dick' last year. >would you consider doing anything analogous to this series? Isn't this supposed to be the idea behind the "Collector Series" on Voiceprint? The 'Glastonbury 90' one *is* an excellent show, despite the occasional canine interruption. I'd love to hear more recordings like those from festivals where the band has been able to "stretch out" and jam more than in the average tour set. The segment I've heard from the end of the Stonehenge 83(?) set (w/Nik & Dead Fred) is pretty outstanding. >edmonton 26/1/74 would be my first choice. seeing as three tracks had been >[doctored and] released from that show, the entire show must [?] exist. >attractions would include a 10-minute "it's so easy", an 8-minute "paradox" >[they became the released versions] and a rare '74 appearance by mr. Calvert. >ah, dont worry that mr. House's parts had been dubbed in the studio at the >time....leave 'em off! I, too, would love to hear this one released in its entirety! (I'd have to say preferably with Simon House's parts, if possible, but I certainly wouldn't complain about the show being released in any shape or form.) Unfortunately, I would suspect that this one would have the same problem as the aborted 'Greasy Truckers Party' installment of the Collectors Series. As I understand it, EMI owns the tapes, so any release would have to be through (or licensed from) them. >and while it's true my main interest is the 'lemmy era', True for the majority, I'm sure. Unfortunately, I'd fear that any *good* quality tapes from that era are owned by EMI (but hey, at least they gave us 'The 1999 Party' so I'm not complaining!), so anything else that could come out would likely be of 'Yuri Gagarin' quality. But then again, if stuff of that quality *is* going to be released, better for Dave Brock to profit from it than Dave Anderson! >there's no doubt >many shows from other eras/lineups which could be released....perhaps BOC-L >folx could suggest other shows you might release in the same manner. 'Greasy Truckers Party' and 'Atomhenge 76'! :^) Why is it that the two installments of the Collector Series that I was looking forward to the most were the ones that have been cancelled? Oh well, I'm still eagerly anticipating the reissues of the Weird Tapes ... lots of good 76-78 stuff on those (the Hawklords version of "Urban Guerilla" has been my fave Hawkwind-related recording this week)! -Doug ceres at sirius.com (Man, it MUST be frustrating trying to get a reunion together when, on one hand, you have Lemmy, who won't do it without megabucks and first-class airplane tickets, and on the other hand, you have Nik, who will play to anybody, anytime, for a song ... talk about contrasts!) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 15 17:01:39 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:01:39 -0700 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:33:09 -0700, I wrote: >DAMNATION ALLEY >( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) > >slow middle section / violin solo part: >A / / / C / B G A / / / / / / / >G / / / E / C B G A / / / / / / >C / / / D / B / A / / / / / / / >C / / / B / G / D / / / / / / / There are at least 3 significant mistakes in the above chord progression listing. Anyone wanna point 'em out before I do? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Thu Jun 15 17:11:14 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:11:14 -0500 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: ...and spoil your fun? I don't think so. Go for it. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:02 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: a couple more song charts On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:33:09 -0700, I wrote: >DAMNATION ALLEY >( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) > >slow middle section / violin solo part: >A / / / C / B G A / / / / / / / >G / / / E / C B G A / / / / / / >C / / / D / B / A / / / / / / / >C / / / B / G / D / / / / / / / There are at least 3 significant mistakes in the above chord progression listing. Anyone wanna point 'em out before I do? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 16:48:40 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:48:40 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Yes! They will tour with me ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Blimey, is that working with Simon and Tim together (or two different projects). Will they tour with you? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:02:45 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:02:45 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:09 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 A "few" questions for you: 1. A few years back you had the opinion that a larger line-up wasn't needed because of sequencers etc. Some may think that although the three piece line-up was tight it was also a little sterile (Ron changed that for the better!). Have your views changed? No....I could do it all myself if I wanted to 2. In your ideal world what would your plans be re Hawkwind/Solo output over the next couple of years? I don't know 3. The Gong reunion in Brixton in 94 worked well (even with one or two notable ex -members missing) with various off-shoot bands and solo appearances before the Gong re-union line-up. Could/should Hawkwind try a similar thing? (Gong are now more together with regards to gigs and output than ever) We are Hawkwind, we are not Gong, we have more members. 4. I've posted on this one before, I like the idea of flexible line-ups trying new ideas (multiple Hawkwinds). Your opinion? So do I! 5. Your number one unresolved ambition, musical that is? Recognition.....instead of being ostricised. 6. What do you listen to? Jazz, clasical, reggae, trance and rock music. And BBC Radio 4. 7. Your ideal Hawkwind line-up? Various nline ups, its hard to go into, various different situations. 8. When you play Glasgow next....get better promotion (Do you intend to play here soon?) Well I would hope so and I would hope hope the promoters do their job, its what they are paid for! 9. What about a release of archive video/film footage? That clip from 1970 could be released, dubbed with tracks from the early lp's, along with other material. Which clip from 1970? 10. Your number one regret with regard to Hawkwind (apart from sacking Lemmy)? Not having a good manager that cared for the band. 11. When did you last speak to Eric Clapton? About 1978. Thanks, see you at future gigs. Dave PS More (louder) guitar and less sequencers Ok I will do my best,but I do enjoy playing my sequencer and synths! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:04:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:04:47 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens & Associates Inc To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hello Dave, > > 1) Weren't you working on a Ledge of Darkness theme? Yes > > 2) I second the idea of more acoustic guitar (6 string and 12 string.) I do play it at home quite a lot. > > 3) Do you plan to do more space theme music? Yes I am. > > 4) there is no #4 > > Best regards, > Mark Licht > clemens at trail.com > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:12:03 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:12:03 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:11 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Thank you for hosting another "open forum." It is much appreciated! > > Here are a couple of queries: > > 1) Do you prefer creating new music in the studio, or playing live in > front of an audience (which gives you the most creative > satisfaction)? Both > > 2) Do you see yourself as a composer or a performer nowadays (kind of > a related question)? Both > > 3) Who chooses what back catalogue (e.g., vintage live recordings) to > release? Is there a lot of existing material to choose from? I do sometimes, other times record companies just churn out a load of old crap and I don't know what's going on, they never contact us asking our opinion. > > 4) Can you make it easier for non-UK people to partake in the Hawkwind > Passport programme? (Maybe nominating a US-based "notary" to > handle the folks in the US?) It should be easy for non UK people to get i8n touch with us here. What are the problems? > > 5) Do all the sequencers stifle improvisation in a live setting? (If > so, can that be negated by having more folks on stage?) No they don't stifle, artists should be able to accomadate them, I find it easy to play with them and improvise. > > 6) Will you ever play "It's So Easy" again? (Okay, so it's my favourite > Hawkwind song...:) I'm sorry, but I doubt it. > > 7) Given the huge popularity of the Space Ritual-era material in fan > polls, have you ever considered incorporating more of that sound/ > vibe in shows nowadays? Well we do. > > 8) [And most importantly...] Why don't you play more guitar?? Because I enjoy playing the synthesiser. I don't suffer from arthritis, maybe lazyitis! > > Cheers, and long may the Hawk fly! > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:13:48 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:13:48 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: J D To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Dave, Whatever happened to the CD that was on the verge of being released called something along the lines of ...... Dave Brock 7595? I seem to remember being given the opportunity to hear it on tape, in the foyer, prior to a HW show. Did it metamorphosise into Strange Trips or White Zone? Its called Brock 7696 which EBS records are holding and have never released. Get in touch with them. Maybe it will be released on Snapper Records. Jez Dacombe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:21:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:21:47 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Melvyn Vincent To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave > > Apart from producing music for the ears of we HW fans. Hawkwind to all > intents and purposes functions as a business to provide yourself and the > other members with a living. > Although over the years you obviously plough a lot of time ( and money) > into the music and tours, I have often felt (and correct me if I'm wrong) > that the band lacked a good publicity and marketting machine behind it. Yes, I totally agree with you! > > This shortcoming seemed to be highlighted during the mini UK tour late last > year,when the only means of finding out about the tour was by 'word of > mouth' or the internet. ( I recollect a few people commenting on the lack > of publicity on your address book!!!!.) > I couldn't help but think that after a resurge of publicity from the > re-showing of the silver machine clip on TOTP2 and reviews of Epoch Eclipse > in the Times and Guardian acknowledging your 30 yrs in the business,as well > as talk of a reunion,that there was a golden opportunity to capitalise on > this. > So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a third > full....... At least 2 thirds full!!!!!! thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people here!" > If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music > press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! > Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact that > there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. > > Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why > don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves > better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) > After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! > > Melvyn I totally agree, the thing is we do put the money in, but where does it go???????? Seemingly in other people's pockets, unfortunately the music business is very corrupt and we still, after all of these years, get conned! These past few years I have been financially supporting the band which I can't do anymore as I have run out of money. > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:15:34 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:15:34 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA] To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:37 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave & Kris > Thanks for coming down under this year , great to see the band after a 6year > gap, and especially thanks for playing Spirit of the Age. > Do you still plan to come back to Australia next year, and will Melbourne be > included ? Yes we are coming back in January and Febuary. > I hear that you have a copy of the ABC Studio22 Show , showing 1 camera > angle only, so will you > require a copy of the show ? Yes please, that would be good! > I will be in the UK August-September are there any gigs planned ? I do believe that there might be. > > thanks for your time > > Marty Lawrence > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:25:00 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:00 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Melvyn Vincent wrote: > > => So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a third > => full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people here!" > => If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music > => press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! > => Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact that > => there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. > => > => Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why > => don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves > => better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) > => After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! > > As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their > management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one or > two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the > locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free ticket > to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in advance. > > I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the band > seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of > volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly > attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! > > Maybe Hawkwind might bear this in mind? (I'm sure there are willing > people on this list...) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Thank you, this is a good suggestion, hopefully our management will pay attention to this and use it for the next tour. Any volunteers???????? > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:32:00 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:32:00 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Friedman To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Dear Dave, Hope you are well and having fun.I wanted to ask you about the > following from Huw Lloyd Langton's website: > THE HAWKWIND REUNION BAND ARE PLANNING 5 WARM-UP DATES IN JULY. DATES AND > TIMES WILL BE ADDED HERE SHORTLY. LINE-UP INCLUDES NIK TURNER, HUW > LLOYD-LANGTON, TERRY OLLIS, THOMAS CRIMBLE, POSSIBLY DIK MIK AND OF COURSE > DAVE BROCK. ONE DATE WILL BE IN ABERDEEN. NO FIRM DATE YET FOR GRAND REUNION > WITH LEMMY AT BRIXTON ACADEMY - RUMOURED TO BE SOME TIME END OF SEPTEMBER, > BUT NOT CONFIRMED. > What is your take on this? Having read on the HLL web page, that I am playing on 5 dates that I don't know about, I can only assume that they are using my name to draw audiences without contacting my manager or agent (or me). Also according to the Hawkwind.com site Simon > House is joining Nik Turner and most of the above in Wales in July. What's > the situation as regards you and any of these plans? Simon does not know about this either. > Sorry you won't make Strange Daze this year.I look forward to whatever > musical directions you choose to take us in,and thanks for all the years of > great music. I'll be there in spirit, and if anyone gets a phone line together, I'll be there! > El > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:26:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:26:47 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hello, > > Seems to me that the reunion is happenning now! I mean Huw Lloyd Langton > played with you at Blackheath etc Harvey & Nik etc. A sort of continuous > drop in I suppose? > > Or will it be an all guns blazing type of affair with robes? > > (I wish). > > luv in space > > ben > There is the possibility that it will be a grand spectacular in the next few months and into 2001! From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:52:54 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:52:54 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Merrick Martin French To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:46 AM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi Dave,Kris > > Any more private party's ? we missed the last one as we were on the other side > of the channel (where the sun did eclipse !!) and any more passport holders > releases I think these are a wonderful idea especially if the band gets more > money directly from them. > > love, light and peace > > Merrick & Julie French (who are on their way to Glastonbury with no dogs, no > children, no responsibilities and a 3 day party) Lucky old you!!!!! We are planning more private parties and we will keep you posted. > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 18:07:30 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:07:30 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > At 07:29 AM 6/15/00 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >In a message dated 6/15/00 6:14:51 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > > > ><< but back in the 70's and > >80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. >> > >===== > >um.....not _entirely_. > >elstwise i wouldnt've heard of them. > >heh. > > > >i believe, 'cept for 'astounding sounds' [?], everything thru 'pxr 5' was > >released in the states. and 'mtn. grill' climbed all the way up to #133 on > >the BILLBOARD 'top 200'. > > Well, true ('fact my LP of HOTMG is American), but it did much better than > #133 in the UK. Plus, selling x number of units in the US doesn't require > you to be as popular as selling the same number in the UK, so an album can > be released in the US even if only a much smaller % of the population is > going to buy it (atleast that makes sense to me. I have no idea if it > actually is/was the way things work/ed) > > Bob also says on that '81 tape that, in terms of commercial success Hawkwind > were successful 'not at all, to any great extent, in the USA, except for > sort of major industrial towns like Detroit' > > But hey, you live there :) > > >i'd assume the couple three previous had done better; i just happened to > >follow that lp in BILLBOARD. > > > >and i used to own a mono/stereo US promo single of 'urban guerrilla'. dont > >recall ever hearing it on the radio [yeah right] but CREEM had mentioned its > >withdrawal from the UK charts in '73. > > Well I've got an Australian single of 'Kings of Speed', but it wasn't > exactly a smash hit, y'know... ;) > > > >fellow yanks, feel free to contend that the early '80s lp's _were_ released > >in the states, but i dont remember 'em... > >'levitation', maybe? > > For the record, everything, including the compilations, was released in > Australia, up to and including Levitation (except 'Repeat Performance' was > called 'Rock Legends') After that, there was a gap till 'Xenon Codex', and I > don't know of any since, though my knowledge of 90's HW releases is not strong. > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > Read the Rock Encyclopaedia Tim! From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:43:01 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:01 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Friedman To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:25 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Dear Dave, While you are being so good as to be available for questions > there were 2 others I thought of for you.Do you still have an interest in > science fiction books Yes I do still read them, ( although I am reading a book about Warrior Cults at the moment) and are there any that have inspired you recently? I read Return to Rendevous with Rama by Arthur C Clark, recently and I thought that it was a load of old crap although the first one was good. Rendevous with Rama) I > also wanted to ask if you listen to any of the new space rock bands out > there in England,America,and the continent,and if there were any you > particularly liked. Yes I do but I won't list them! Thanks for the chance to communicate,and thanks again for > the mus > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:48:06 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:48:06 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK > Howdy Sir, > > axually, we met in '91, spliffing at dr. synth's....i was the guy asking too > many questions...heh- > === > anyway.... > the (ahem) grateful dead have been releasing a series called, i think, > 'dick's picks'; > entire shows of theirs considered to be exceptional. i believe the series is > to continue despite the passing of 'dick' last year. > > would you consider doing anything analogous to this series? > > edmonton 26/1/74 would be my first choice. seeing as three tracks had been > [doctored and] released from that show, the entire show must [?] exist. > attractions would include a 10-minute "it's so easy", an 8-minute "paradox" > [they became the released versions] and a rare '74 appearance by mr. Calvert. > ah, dont worry that mr. House's parts had been dubbed in the studio at the > time....leave 'em off! > = > and while it's true my main interest is the 'lemmy era', there's no doubt > many shows from other eras/lineups which could be released....perhaps BOC-L > folx could suggest other shows you might release in the same manner. > > whatcha think? > == > respectfully yours, > [ha-about as 'respectful' as i ever get around here...] > "<>" > larry b. > das ludicroix > Try Voiceprint! From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:54:28 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:54:28 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:29 PM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > In a message dated 6/15/00 6:14:51 AM, lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > > << but back in the 70's and > 80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. >> > ===== > um.....not _entirely_. > elstwise i wouldnt've heard of them. > heh. > > i believe, 'cept for 'astounding sounds' [?], everything thru 'pxr 5' was > released in the states. and 'mtn. grill' climbed all the way up to #133 on > the BILLBOARD 'top 200'. > i'd assume the couple three previous had done better; i just happened to > follow that lp in BILLBOARD. > > and i used to own a mono/stereo US promo single of 'urban guerrilla'. dont > recall ever hearing it on the radio [yeah right] but CREEM had mentioned its > withdrawal from the UK charts in '73. > > so they werent _quite_ unknown or invisible until the end of the '70s....not > that you'd find too many folx who'd heard of them...that was _my_ 'mission' > during the "lemmy era", earning me the nickname 'hawk' from a few friends. > no, really! > > once, in '76, i saw a kid leaving a record store, having purchased the 'space > ritual' lp. > i asked him why he bought it and he said some friends told him it was like > 'sabbath meets floyd' > ===== > < out of about 25 HW penfriends, I knew _one_ person in the USA, and he got > into HW because he found a HW cassette lying in the middle of the street, > and didn't even know who it was for years. Now the majority of this list > seems to be American. I know to a certain extent this is a reflection of > internet demographics, but it has to be more than that. 15 or 20 years ago I > just never heard of HW fans in America. > ===== > lolol, comrade, you shoulda tried "25 years ago"....[or is that "25 years of > social research" ago?] or, "28 years ago"...oy... > > but years had passed passed before the us release of 'pxr5' and the us > release of 'live chronicles' * > > *i played side one and gave it away...heh...sorry, gang. > > fellow yanks, feel free to contend that the early '80s lp's _were_ released > in the states, but i dont remember 'em... > 'levitation', maybe? > ==== > too early to be floating away, today... > later for that. > > "<>" YES! > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:56:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:56:47 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Guy To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:29 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Dave, > > You mentioned new videos that you were going to release. Do you have a list > of gigs? > > I can now generate Stereo Hi8 or Stereo SVHS tapes of the gigs that I > filmed, between 1992-1995, from my Stereo Hi8 masters, if these are better > for you than the good old-fashioned mono VHS copies that I sent you > originally! > > Guy T. Hello Guy! Okay.....send them!! Lets have a look. > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 18:03:39 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:03:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation Message-ID: Well Jon What can I say? I am just a human being, not Master of the Universe. I keep trying to get thing together but quite often people around me fail to rise up to the occasion and keep in touch with their fans. We also have a management company who dictate to us sometimes about what we should do and what we should not do, so I have to walk the tight rope, but my heart is good and I try. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Jarrett To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: Re: HW: Reformation > On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > > > Honestly - you all can't see the wood for the trees - has anyone entertained > > the idea that Dave, following a long trek to the Southern hemisphere, just > > wants to take the summer off to do things he wants to do (mend the fences, > > listen to Radio One after 6.00pm, feed the animals, enjoy himself). I think > > you will find the Hawkwind machine clicks in with a vengeance in the early > > autumn ('fall' for our USA friends) and it should be good - after all, look > > who Dave can call up now to join the band - fun times ahead, methinks...... > > It's encouraging to hear this sort of stuff, especially from > someone with a better right to speak as an informed source than many, but > I still have a rather jaundiced viewpoint. Since I first started really > following HW in '96 I've seen far more broken plans for gigs and shows and > projects than I have successful ones, and I get sceptical. What happened > to the Death Generator Project? That new album that was supposed to be > coming out in time for Christmas last year and was supposedly one third > recorded in March? I'll believe it when I see it, basically. > > And while I entirely accept that Dave has a perfect right to take > time off and so on, even if the other people who were on the tour with him > don't seem to feel the need (and Simon and Harvey are no younger than he > is, are they? And Nik's older, but as Andy says he's a special case :-), I > do wish he'd say that's what he's doing rather than promising gig after > gig and project after project that just never materialise. It makes it > difficult to Believe. > > What do _I_ want? I want a scheduled tour most of whose dates are > kept, not now, but in the autumn maybe, one that happens, and I want some > more product. I was thinking last year that with all the guests and old > members around the place maybe the best way to do the "reunion" would be > on CD, with the Death Generator thing blown up into a concept project with > various people guesting on individual tracks and so on. I think the last > "tour" showed that for some of the modern Hawkwind tracks it's easy to > have too many people on stage, so not everyone on everything, but the > potential's clearly there especially since the whole Death Generator story > involves a reunion of sorts anyway. But that's a pipe-dream, I accept > that. What I'd like is just some indication that Hawkwind as a band is > functional, to the extent of being able to mount a tour with a > double-figure number of dates or some recorded project, you know, like > working bands do. > > Forgive my cynicism, by the way, I was going to see Man > tonight. For those who don't know they had to cancel yesterday because > Phil Ryan's wife is on life-support in Denmark. Can't blame anyone for > that, so perhaps I'm blaming the Hawks too readily. Yours, > Jon > > -- > | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk > | ======================================================================| > | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:33:29 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:33:29 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Captain Cloud To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hawkfan greetings Dave et al: > > I am frequently curious as to what music is or has influenced > musicians that I prefer to listen to (such as yourself). While > there have been occasional articles that mention some of > your past influences, who or what recent musical releases > have you found interesting? Other than HW or related music... > > In short, what have you been listening to lately? Jazz, classical, trance and rock. > > Cheers! > > > Captain Cloud > capcloud at hawklord.com > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:53:37 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:53:37 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > XXX writes: > > > Hello John..........Do not panic!! There are a lot of things underway. See > > Bernhard's questions and answers for future plans. Jerry and Richard are > > just doing a private project. I am planning some projects myself with Simon > > House and Tim Blake. > > That's great news for us Blake fans! Is Tim getting active again? YES!!!!!!! > > FoFP > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:50:33 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:50:33 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gadd To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hi, Dave > > Do you think the internet (or any other factor) has 'globalised' Hawkwind? > I'm not sure exactly how to explain what I mean, but back in the 70's and > 80's, HW were just an almost purely English/European phenomenon. In 1984, > out of about 25 HW penfriends, I knew _one_ person in the USA, and he got > into HW because he found a HW cassette lying in the middle of the street, > and didn't even know who it was for years. Now the majority of this list > seems to be American. I know to a certain extent this is a reflection of > internet demographics, but it has to be more than that. 15 or 20 years ago I > just never heard of HW fans in America, now there seem to be at least as > many American as British. I'm supposing this isn't just some delusion on my > part, because you didn't tour there all through the 80's either. Is that to > do with increased popularity in the US, or changes in venues/touring > styles,economies of scale, etc? > > On a related theme, North American native content has seemingly been present > to some extent in HW ever since In Search of Space, and with 'Ghost Dance' > in the 80's, but has also become more noticeable in later years. The covers > of both Space Bandits and Electric Teepee have helped add to this > Americanized image I have of HW, as compared with say, the Stonehenge cover > back in 84. > > So I guess I'm asking, do you feel more international than you used to? :) > It feels to me that, rather than having what verged on a mainstream > following in commercial sales terms in the 70's, but quite geographically > restricted, you now have more of a niche market, but much more widely > distributed (I have no idea how many albums you sell now, compared with > 1985, but does that seem like a halfway fair statement?) > > To all in general: I'm going overseas for 6 weeks as of Sunday, so I'll be > logging off in 3 days so as not to have the mailbox choked when I come back. > I'll re-sub and see you then. > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania What is your question? > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:35:30 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:35:30 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Clark To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:24 AM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > Hello Dave: > > You said in a previous response: > > "Unfortunately, Nik's agent undercut us and offered his version of > "Hawkwind" at a much reduced profile, on one of the smaller stages." > > Though this is quite unfortumate, does it mean that you at odds with Nik, or > might there be one day an amicable agreement with his agent whereby you all may > work together again soon?. Not with his agent, but Nik might play with us (and Lemmy) on our terms. > > Thanks and best regards, > > Tom > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:45:59 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:45:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Dave open forum question Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: HW: Dave open forum question > Dave, > Anymore of that lovely trance music coming out. I love the Solstice remixes, > USOMars remixes. YOu would not believe the number of people who are getting > off on it. all new to Hawkwind music "even my wife " Yes, look out for "Hawkwind Brockspace" coming out on Voiceprint. Also "Hawkwind Family Tree". > > Love to see you live again in the south west of england open air, last time > was Treeworgy " terrific gig" > Love & Peace > iain Ferguson > From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:55:33 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:55:33 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jackson jr. To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > On 14 Jun 00, at 20:26, Paul Mather wrote: > > > As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their > > management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one > > or two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the > > locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free > > ticket to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in > > advance. > > > > I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the > > band seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of > > volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly > > attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! > > > Little Feat has an organized grassroots movement that receives input > from the band. The band usually invites them backstage etc. and > interacts with the fans a lot. Works well for all concerned... > > theo > and??????????????????? From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 15 17:43:47 2000 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:47 +0100 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUN WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: HW: OPEN FORUN WITH DAVE 2 > Hello again, > > Just wondered if there was any chance you could do a solo tour or > whatever, and let your backing band get on with there own reformation? > > best wishes > > ben Hurray! A man after my own heart! > From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jun 15 19:08:15 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:08:15 -0700 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: hello there Dave If i remember rightly someone mentioned on the last open forum you did a Cd called 'hawkwind remix project', who was behind that as there is no real credits on the inner cover? did u have much invovlment with it? Also you going to do any work with artists like salt tank or astralasia in the near future? One more thing when are the wierd tapes being released on cd? Oh yeah is there any involvement with the stonehenge free festival from hawkwind? I heard reports that something is being alowed to go ahead this year. cheers colm p.s. tour the Uk soon ok? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 15 19:08:31 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:08:31 PDT Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Dave, Thanx for answering our questions! Do you have any more XL (extra large) Australian and /or New Zealand Tour T-Shirts?? If so, how do I get one? I would gladly like one of each, if you have them ") I live in Florida, USA. Richard Stockwell and the others ran out of all their XL's, very quickly. Also, if given some notice, I would gladly distribute flyers for a US tour. I am from Cleveland, so I know Jim Lascko pretty well and I get around. Come see us soon! Peace, Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Thu Jun 15 19:26:48 2000 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (=?iso-8859-1?q?colm=20mcwilliams?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:26:48 -0700 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: hello dave You mentioned that there was more to come on the subject of collaborating with simon house(as well as with tim blake). Will this invovle breaking out some old 70's analogue synths(i love the sounds u produced with them especially around the charisma era) or is simon limiting himself to playing the violin? Thanks for keeping the mighty hawkwind going for all these years. cheers colm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 15 20:05:44 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:05:44 -0700 Subject: Re;Thin Lizzy advert! Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:09:03 +0100, Jon Jarrett wrote: >On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: >> P.S. Bedouin new CD put back to September, but at least Harvey's being a >> full-time member for the live dates in the autumn. For those in Germany this >> weekend, try and catch the excitement of Spacehead doing a live set with Nik >> Turner and Harvey Bainbridge as full concert members of the band - should be >> a goodie!!! > > Marvellous! The only thing missing from Bedouin was a bit of extra >swoosh. I'd rather Alan provided it than Harvey but I suppose even with >that foot-pedal setup he was using last time I saw them theres limits to >what he can do and play the bass at the same time. I can verify from experience that it *is* possible to play bass, sing, and use a foot-pedal to make "swoosh" all simultaneously. But it's not easy! Takes quite a bit of preparation. And it is definitely more limiting than having both hands free and *not* having to concentrate on singing ... >And I like Harvey's swoosh lots too. Me, too! (Although he's not quite as much a master-of-swoosh as Del Dettmar, Tim Blake, or even Dave Brock [check out the part of the "Watchfield Festival" jam on the Acid Daze/Anthology collection where he puts down his guitar and plays synth, or, as Colm recently mentioned, the Charisma era albums where I'm pretty certain that the synth-noise-swoosh parts are mostly by Dave, while the melodic keyboard parts are by Simon].) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 21:44:20 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:44:20 +1000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: A > 6. What do you listen to? > > Jazz, clasical, reggae, trance and rock music. And BBC Radio 4. Hey, Bob said one of the things you and he had in common was neither of you liked reggae :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 21:45:19 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:45:19 +1000 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: A > 6. What do you listen to? > > Jazz, clasical, reggae, trance and rock music. And BBC Radio 4. Hey, Bob said one of the things you and he had in common was neither of you liked reggae :) - actually, he mayhave said 'funky music' :) -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 21:48:42 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:42 +1000 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: >What is your question? Errr.... why did I waste my time asking you somthing? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 15 21:59:45 2000 From: lupercal at GEOCITIES.COM (Tim Gadd) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:59:45 +1000 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: >What is your question? Never mind. Dave, do you prefer Italian or Chinese food? -- Tim Gadd Hobart, Tasmania From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jun 15 22:00:42 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:00:42 -0400 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files Message-ID: >From: "Andrew A. Apold" >Thomas Guy wrote: > >Ben, didn't the Templars end up in Scotland? Didn't you realise that the > >Warrior LP cover is actually a Templar Knight atop Glen Coe :-) > >They were wiped out by the Stonecutters in a ruthless recruiting war in >the 1890s... A while back, my television (trustworthy and thorough news source that it is) told me that the Templars had not one, but *five* Arks of the Covenent hidden somewhere in Scotland in a castle or somesuch. Now, if Hawkwind could just find them we'd have a Hell of a Death Generator gig! Or, since the TV also said the arks were just primative batteries, they could power the mother of all light shows. Brian NP: "Stay Out of Jail" We Are Motorhead Oh yeah, and I remember Leonard Nemoy telling me once about how Atlantis lies off the coast of Bermuda...ah to have one's mind nurtured at the boob tube. ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Thu Jun 15 22:03:49 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:03:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo gig Message-ID: Theo, I'll be at this one and at the Motorhead gig too, if that hasn't already passed through. (?) What's this about a Syracuse gig? Are they playing Lost Horizon or did they score a coup and get into the Landmark. That would be an incredible show! Brian NP: "Wake the Dead" We Are Motorhead ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jun 16 00:04:52 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michaelangelo Blackman) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:34:52 +0930 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: 1 volunteer here Cap'n any Australian gigs and I'll bend over backwards to help promote them most sincerely Michael B michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: XXX To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Mather > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:26 AM > Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > > > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Melvyn Vincent wrote: > > > > => So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a > third > > => full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people > here!" > > => If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music > > => press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! > > => Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact > that > > => there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. > > => > > => Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So > why > > => don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves > > => better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) > > => After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! > > > > As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their > > management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one or > > two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the > > locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free ticket > > to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in advance. > > > > I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the band > > seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of > > volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly > > attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! > > > > Maybe Hawkwind might bear this in mind? (I'm sure there are willing > > people on this list...) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > Thank you, this is a good suggestion, hopefully our management will pay > attention to this and use it for the next tour. > Any volunteers???????? > > > > > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > > > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 16 04:47:11 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:47:11 EDT Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/00 7:05:14 PM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << Read the Rock Encyclopaedia Tim! >> ===== ps> mistuh Brock, suh, for my part, all that was writ comes from me memory-box such as that may be. lord knows someone here will pounce on my errors if i'm wrong... [they tend to] larry b das ludicroix "<>" From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jun 16 05:09:02 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:09:02 -0600 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUN WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Just wanted to say, Dave, I'm fairly new to ya-about 3 or 4 years, thru a GOOD friend!! Just wanted to say thanks for all of the good tunes. Have yet to see ya live, but maybe sometime soon! Here's to ya! Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace BTW--SDNC WILL NOT AIR THIS SATURDAY(6/17)!!! Back to normal next Sat. 6/10/00 (bonus four-hour set): 1.Cookin' w/Kurt--Soup du' Jour (Cookin' w/Kurt) 2.Architectural Metaphor--All Tomorrow's Parties (Creature of the Velvet Void) (w/interference during above two tracks--apologies to Kurt, ArcMet and listeners!) 3.Kinder Atom--Evergreens (Super Nice Hippypants) 4. 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For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Jun 16 06:49:01 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:49:01 EDT Subject: HW: appearance on "All Good Clean Fun" Message-ID: Recent post from Spacerock NG: Subject: Hawkwind For Sale - All Good Clean Fun From: S Tanner tanner_sp at hotmail.com Date: 6/14/00 5:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <39477707.19E30FF1 at hotmail.com> All Good Clean Fun: (Triple LP Comp. UK on UA UDX 201/2) includes 12 page booklet. Condition Very Good/Excellent. People who know the Hawks will recognise this items, rarer to get than Glastonbury Fayre. Released circa 1970 this compilation came just after the release of the first lp. Hawkwind Track is "Be Yourself" The packaging on his is amazing, triple LP, and nice booklet with spill on Hawkwind and a very early photo. Serious offers to email address above. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 16 07:24:18 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:24:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Buffalo gig In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000615220052.00979650@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: On 15 Jun 00, at 22:03, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo, I'll be at this one and at the Motorhead gig too, if that hasn't > already passed through. Whoa! Where's Motorhead playing? Buffalo? (?) What's this about a Syracuse gig? Are they > playing Lost Horizon or did they score a coup and get into the > Landmark. That would be an incredible show! It doesn't say. On the BOC fan club page, it shows a gig in Syr. on 26 July, but no venue. I'm definitely going to the gig in Buffalo too. Any idea where the venue it, Majestic Theatre? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 16 07:52:47 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:52:47 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/00 7:05:13 PM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << Try Voiceprint! >> ======= well, sir, when and if they ever put out sumpin' from the 'lemmy era'..... "<>" ... From Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU Fri Jun 16 10:12:07 2000 From: Joe.Lofft at ITEC.MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:12:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo gig Message-ID: Majestic Theatre is in the booming metropolis of North Tonawanda NY, on route 62 between Buffalo and Niagara Falls. Take 90 west to exit 50 (290 West) and exit at Niagara Falls Blvd (Route 62 North). Theatre is about 5 miles down on the left. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:24 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BOC: Buffalo gig On 15 Jun 00, at 22:03, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo, I'll be at this one and at the Motorhead gig too, if that hasn't > already passed through. Whoa! Where's Motorhead playing? Buffalo? (?) What's this about a Syracuse gig? Are they > playing Lost Horizon or did they score a coup and get into the > Landmark. That would be an incredible show! It doesn't say. On the BOC fan club page, it shows a gig in Syr. on 26 July, but no venue. I'm definitely going to the gig in Buffalo too. Any idea where the venue it, Majestic Theatre? theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 16 10:37:08 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:37:08 +0800 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: > > Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why > > don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves > > better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) > > After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! > > > > Melvyn > > I totally agree, the thing is we do put the money in, but where does it > go???????? Seemingly in other people's pockets, unfortunately the music > business is very corrupt and we still, after all of these years, get conned! > These past few years I have been financially supporting the band which I > can't do anymore as I have run out of money. > > > Why not set up something along the lines of what artists such as Todd Rundgren is doing, where you join an online club for a particular fee, then you obtain the opportunity to download various recorded material straight from a web site, you could also put videos & things like that on there too. It would be a perfect way to also have the band benefit from bootlegged material! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 16 10:46:32 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:46:32 +0800 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: > > For the record, everything, including the compilations, was released in > > Australia, up to and including Levitation (except 'Repeat Performance' was > > called 'Rock Legends') After that, there was a gap till 'Xenon Codex', and > I > > don't know of any since, though my knowledge of 90's HW releases is not > strong I believe The Business Trip was released here in Australia as well. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 16 10:57:13 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0800 Subject: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gadd" To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: Re: HW: OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > A > > 6. What do you listen to? > > > > Jazz, clasical, reggae, trance and rock music. And BBC Radio 4. > > Hey, Bob said one of the things you and he had in common was neither of you > liked reggae :) > > - actually, he mayhave said 'funky music' :) > > -- > Tim Gadd > Hobart, Tasmania > There is lots of reggae-influenced material in Bob's solo recordings. William From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jun 16 10:56:56 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: off: Motorhead gigs listed by ticketmaster In-Reply-To: <200006161124.HAA10999@syr.edu> Message-ID: I am sure there are other gigs planned. ____________________________________________________________________________ __ MOTORHEAD Fri 06/16/00 8:00PM AGORA THEATRE CLEVELAND OH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Sat 06/17/00 8:30PM BOGARTS CINCINNATI OH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Sun 06/18/00 8:00PM THE TABERNACLE ATLANTA GA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD, NASHVILLE PUSSY, SUPERSUCKERS Thu 06/22/00 8:00PM THE BOATHOUSE NORFOLK VA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Fri 06/23/00 8:00PM BIRCH HILL NITECLUB OLD BRIDGE NJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Sun 06/25/00 7:00PM TROCADERO PHILADELPHIA PA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Tue 06/27/00 7:30PM 9:30 CLUB WASHINGTON DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MOTORHEAD Wed 06/28/00 8:00PM NORTHERN LIGHTS CLIFTON PARK NY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ?2000 Ticketmaster Online - Citysearch, Inc. All rights reserved. Our Policies | Terms of Use | Copyright Policy Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Ted Jackson jr. >Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 6:24 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: BOC: Buffalo gig > > >On 15 Jun 00, at 22:03, Brian Halligan wrote: > >> Theo, I'll be at this one and at the Motorhead gig too, if that hasn't >> already passed through. > >Whoa! Where's Motorhead playing? Buffalo? > > From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jun 16 16:15:04 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:15:04 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: I live in the South West (plymouth) and would gladly put up posters and hand out flyers for any forthcoming gigs. Doc -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 15 June 2000 23:11 Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mather To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Melvyn Vincent wrote: > > => So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a third > => full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people here!" > => If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music > => press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! > => Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact that > => there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. > => > => Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So why > => don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves > => better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) > => After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! > > As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their > management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one or > two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the > locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free ticket > to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in advance. > > I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the band > seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of > volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly > attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! > > Maybe Hawkwind might bear this in mind? (I'm sure there are willing > people on this list...) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Thank you, this is a good suggestion, hopefully our management will pay attention to this and use it for the next tour. Any volunteers???????? > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > --- Frank Vincent Zappa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 16 17:44:45 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:44:45 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000615132716.00988eb0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 13:27 15/06/00, Doug Pearson wrote: >>and while it's true my main interest is the 'lemmy era', > >True for the majority, I'm sure. What, three whole studio albums out of the entire HW output? I don't doubt that they're your personal favourites, but I do doubt that the majority agree with you. If there's one thing that this list has taught me, it's that HW fans can't agree on *anything*. Of the 70's studio albums, I'd put ISOS and QSC above the albums with Lemmy on. The Space Ritual is particularly special, I agree, but that doesn't mean that I want to hear more stuff from the same tour. I've already got The Space Ritual, it's excellent, and I don't need copies of the same thing. >(Man, it MUST be frustrating trying to get a reunion together when, on one >hand, you have Lemmy, who won't do it without megabucks and first-class >airplane tickets, and on the other hand, you have Nik, who will play to >anybody, anytime, for a song ... talk about contrasts!) I agree with you there. I almost wish they'd drop the idea -- not because I don't want to see it happen, but because it seems to be burning up lots of time and energy without achieving very much. But maybe things are happening that we don't know about, and it will all work out in the end... Dave. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 16 18:50:16 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:16 -0700 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:44:45 +0100, Dave Berry wrote: >At 13:27 15/06/00, Doug Pearson wrote: >>>and while it's true my main interest is the 'lemmy era', >> >>True for the majority, I'm sure. > >What, three whole studio albums out of the entire HW output? I don't doubt >that they're your personal favourites, but I do doubt that the majority >agree with you. If there's one thing that this list has taught me, it's >that HW fans can't agree on *anything*. Right you are. I should have remembered the poll that was taken just last November (where the "Lemmy" years tied for second place - and *I* actually voted for the also-second-place-tied "Calvert" years instead). But if you go back to the original message in the archives, you'll see that there actually *were* two or three opinions that (nearly) everyone could agree on (of course, that's two or three opinions out of say, 100 listmembers times an "average" of 50 opinions per member making for a total of about 5000 opinions where the other 4997 or 4998 are all disagreed on!). quoted from: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9911D&L=BOC-L&P=R6823&m=37161 >1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 >1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 >1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 >1979-81 (Huw metal years - 1) 0 >1982-84 (return of Nik) 0 >1985-88 (Huw metal years - 2) 0.5 >1989/90 (Bridget & Simon) 6 >1991-94 (the trio) 1 >1995/96 (Alien4/Love In Space) 1 >1997-99 (the present) 1.5 -Doug ceres at sirius.com From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jun 16 20:18:39 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:18:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo gig Message-ID: Theo wrote: >On 15 Jun 00, at 22:03, Brian Halligan wrote: > > > Theo, I'll be at this one and at the Motorhead gig too, if that hasn't > > already passed through. >Whoa! Where's Motorhead playing? Buffalo? My mistake. I thought Clifton Park was near Buffalo, but it's actually near Albany. But I'm still going. Their new album is great! And I'll definately be in Buffalo for the Brain Surgeons gig- even though last time I tried I lost a tire! >On the BOC fan club page, it shows a gig in Syr. on >26 July, but no venue. I'm definitely going to the gig in Buffalo too. Did you see that they list the band's equipment now? Wow, Danny plays almost the same bass I do (Fender Jazz- but his only has one pickup). I wonder why I can't make mine sound like that? Oh yeah...I'd have to practice. ;-) Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jun 16 20:21:30 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:21:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buffalo gig Message-ID: Thanks a bunch, Joe. Will you be at the 7/26 Syracuse gig too? >Majestic Theatre is in the booming metropolis of North Tonawanda NY, on >route 62 >between Buffalo and Niagara Falls. Take 90 west to exit 50 (290 West) and >exit at >Niagara Falls Blvd (Route 62 North). Theatre is about 5 miles down on the >left. >Joe Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Fri Jun 16 20:27:04 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:27:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead gigs listed by ticketmaster Message-ID: Thanks Michael. Since you're an Albanian...Albanyite(?) will you be at this gig? >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >MOTORHEAD >Wed 06/28/00 8:00PM >NORTHERN LIGHTS >CLIFTON PARK NY > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian -a Rochestarian >Michael S. Habiby >VP Sales and Marketing >the CableShoppe, inc. >One Prospect Ave. >Albany, NY 12206 >(800) 386-2300 >(518) 489-0269 - fax >cableshoppe at global2000.net >or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com >________________________ >"Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too >dark >to read." Groucho Marx ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Sat Jun 17 04:16:08 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:16:08 +0100 Subject: Rock Wallpapers Message-ID: This weeks update at http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com include Blue Oyster Cult, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest and the Grateful Dead. Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Sat Jun 17 04:14:30 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:14:30 +0100 Subject: HW site update Message-ID: A lyrics page for In Search Of Space has been added at http://hawkwind.freeservers.com Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Jun 17 07:43:01 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:43:01 GMT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000616155016.00980140@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:16 -0700, you sent through the ether: >>1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 >>1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 >>1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 Shouldn't 1972 - 1973 be The Lemmy/Calvert years? My fave Hawks line-up always has the pair of `em.. the special brew that made Space Ritual unique artifact it surely is. -S. From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Sat Jun 17 08:30:31 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:30:31 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: i don't think lemmy had as much of an infulence on 72-75 hawkwind as calvert had from 72-78, i mean how many songs did lemmy write for hawkwind when he was with them? People like Del Detmar, simon house, nik turner and not forgetting dave brock had as much or more an infulence on the sound than lemmy did. Just because lemmy went on to bigger and better things with the mighty motorhead doesn't mean he should be credited as much with the hawkwind sound as calvert was. BTW my fav period of hawkwind is their charisma years when calvert was writing some of hawkwinds best material. cheers colm >On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:16 -0700, you sent through the ether: > >>>1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 >>>1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 >>>1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 > > >Shouldn't 1972 - 1973 be The Lemmy/Calvert years? My fave Hawks line-up >always has the pair of `em.. the special brew that made Space Ritual >unique artifact it surely is. > >-S. > From Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK Sat Jun 17 08:52:47 2000 From: Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK (Steve P) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:52:47 GMT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <002e01bfd857$d484f1a0$a68393c3@dj-gypo> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:30:31 +0100, you sent through the ether: >i don't think lemmy had as much of an infulence on 72-75 hawkwind as calvert >had from 72-78, I have to disagree.. listen to the quantum leap in sonic power between ISOS & Doremi.. it sounded like a different band. -S. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 09:07:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:07:34 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 8:52:14 AM, Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK writes: << I have to disagree.. listen to the quantum leap in sonic power between ISOS & Doremi.. it sounded like a different band. >> ======== this one agrees w/your disagreement. and this one does _not_ discuss mr. calvert on BOC-L. it suffices that he is well-loved by many here. this one's input is not needed, nor would it be welcome. "<>" [laughs] this one thinks the 'this one' bit came from an early-'70s marvel comics character named Mantis..... depends on this one's mood. [ducks] From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 09:23:04 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:23:04 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <394f746f.5107773@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: Lemmys' backup vocals...... not very....... melodic(?) At 12:52 PM 06/17/2000 GMT, you wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:30:31 +0100, you sent through the ether: > >>i don't think lemmy had as much of an infulence on 72-75 hawkwind as calvert >>had from 72-78, > > >I have to disagree.. listen to the quantum leap in sonic power between >ISOS & Doremi.. it sounded like a different band. > >-S. > From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jun 17 09:33:16 2000 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:33:16 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: > [laughs] this one thinks the 'this one' bit > came from an early-'70s marvel comics character > named Mantis..... Yeah, she was really cool...... From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 09:30:52 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:30:52 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <6e.46e243.267cd216@aol.com> Message-ID: Dr. Calvert #1. At 09:07 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/00 8:52:14 AM, Steve at DOREMI.CO.UK writes: > ><< >I have to disagree.. listen to the quantum leap in sonic power between >ISOS & Doremi.. it sounded like a different band. > >> >======== >this one agrees w/your disagreement. >and this one does _not_ discuss mr. calvert on BOC-L. > >it suffices that he is well-loved by many here. >this one's input is not needed, nor would it be welcome. > >"<>" > >[laughs] this one thinks the 'this one' bit >came from an early-'70s marvel comics character >named Mantis..... >depends on this one's mood. >[ducks] > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 09:44:47 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:44:47 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 9:25:50 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << i don't think lemmy had as much of an infulence on 72-75 hawkwind as calvert >>had from 72-78, ==== apples n' oranges, gang lemmy's motorhead vocals notwithstanding. paul rudolph did some pretty cool stuff but-not-in-hawkwind. give him a trace of credit for not attempting to be lemmy and knowing, bass-wise, he couldnt've come close. but i said 'a _trace_ of credit'. which is not to say that rudolph did much for hawkwind.... "<>" **************************************************** Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 09:50:29 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:50:29 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 9:25:50 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << Lemmys' backup vocals...... not very....... melodic(?) >> ======= be that as it may, wasnt he making up his harmony parts in the first place? dont recall _any_ back-up vocals prior to lemmy joining the band. and who was it who re-arranged the vocals in '7x7' ? i dunno, i'm askin' you but i've assumed twas lemmy.... "<>" From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 09:49:07 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:49:07 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: At 09:44 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: > > ><< i don't think lemmy had as much of an infulence on 72-75 hawkwind as >calvert >>>had from 72-78, >==== >apples n' oranges, gang >lemmy's motorhead vocals notwithstanding. > >paul rudolph did some pretty cool stuff >but-not-in-hawkwind. > >give him a trace of credit >for not attempting to be lemmy >and knowing, bass-wise, he couldnt've come close. > >but i said 'a _trace_ of credit'. >which is not to say that rudolph did much for hawkwind.... > >"<>" > > >**************************************************** >Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! >Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! >URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny > From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 09:56:19 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:56:19 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Exactly... At 09:50 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/00 9:25:50 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > ><< Lemmys' backup vocals...... not very....... melodic(?) > >> >======= >be that as it may, >wasnt he making up his harmony parts in the first place? > >dont recall _any_ back-up vocals >prior to lemmy joining the band. > >and who was it who re-arranged the vocals in '7x7' ? >i dunno, i'm askin' you >but i've assumed twas lemmy.... > > >"<>" > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 10:18:56 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:18:56 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 9:59:28 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << Exactly... At 09:50 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/00 9:25:50 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > ><< Lemmys' backup vocals...... not very....... melodic(?) > >> >======= >be that as it may, >wasnt he making up his harmony parts in the first place? > >> ======================= so, mum, y'dinna like lemmyvoxing _at all_? period? not even on 'yiz better believe it', 'paradox', '7x7'....? [making note that lemmy's backing vox on 'it's so easy' were wiped out completely on the released version; yeah, someone decided that what we _really_ wanted was simon house overdubbing "you cant always get what you want" on top of it] i mean, mr brock sounded downright poor on the 'silver machine' b-side version of '7x7'.... and i _like_ brock's vocals....... but who, if not lemmy, transformed that song into what was heard on 'space ritual'? cheers! "<>" ======== <> KISAKO 2K From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 10:36:35 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:36:35 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lemmy Shhmemmy... At 10:18 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/00 9:59:28 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > ><< Exactly... > >At 09:50 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >>In a message dated 6/17/00 9:25:50 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: >> >><< Lemmys' backup vocals...... not very....... melodic(?) >> >> >>======= >>be that as it may, >>wasnt he making up his harmony parts in the first place? >> >> >======================= >so, mum, >y'dinna like lemmyvoxing _at all_? period? > >not even on 'yiz better believe it', 'paradox', '7x7'....? >[making note that lemmy's backing vox on 'it's so easy' were wiped out >completely on the released version; yeah, someone decided that what we >_really_ wanted was simon house overdubbing "you cant always get what you >want" on top of it] > >i mean, mr brock sounded downright poor on the 'silver machine' b-side >version of '7x7'.... >and i _like_ brock's vocals....... >but who, if not lemmy, transformed that song into what was heard on 'space >ritual'? > >cheers! >"<>" >======== ><more or less possible, - doing same in the company of ravers results in a >fall, and taking of sides...>> >KISAKO 2K > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 10:50:30 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:50:30 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 10:39:33 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: << Lemmy Shhmemmy... >> ======== well, this didnt answer the question re: '7x7' but....... sounds like you have some feelings about this, mum. chairs, then! no, wait i meant _cheers_, then! "<>" == <> KISAKO 2K From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 17 10:55:07 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:55:07 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lemmy who? At 10:50 AM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/17/00 10:39:33 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > ><< Lemmy Shhmemmy... >> >======== >well, this didnt answer the question re: '7x7' >but....... >sounds like you have some feelings about this, mum. > >chairs, then! >no, wait >i meant _cheers_, then! > >"<>" >== ><more or less possible, - doing same in the company of ravers results in a >fall, and taking of sides...>> >KISAKO 2K > From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sat Jun 17 13:36:39 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:36:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead Albanians. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000616202156.009771c0@mail.tricreations.com> Message-ID: Seriously considering it. I'll review it if I do. This is where BOC plays when they come to town. Nice place but LOUSY acoustics. Mike -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Halligan Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:27 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead gigs listed by ticketmaster Thanks Michael. Since you're an Albanian...Albanyite(?) will you be at this gig? >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >MOTORHEAD >Wed 06/28/00 8:00PM >NORTHERN LIGHTS >CLIFTON PARK NY > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Brian -a Rochestarian >Michael S. Habiby >VP Sales and Marketing >the CableShoppe, inc. >One Prospect Ave. >Albany, NY 12206 >(800) 386-2300 >(518) 489-0269 - fax >cableshoppe at global2000.net >or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com >________________________ >"Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too >dark >to read." Groucho Marx ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jun 17 13:43:44 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:43:44 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 17 June 2000 15:19 Subject: Re: HW: question for MR. BROCK Was ist los, guv'nor. It was the 7x7 b-side that really fired my interest in the band. The early 70's Hawkwind were a different kettle of fish because of Dave's guitar work. Lemmy had an input as did the others. Simon King beefed it up too, compare his drumming to that of Terry Ollis. Doremi was good (a couple of duffers on it - I still Skip Time We Left). Withe arrival of Simon House HotMG was much better - but half a live lp and half studio. Daves guitar sound died a death after PXR5 (way too thin on the studio releases). In saying that live it could be blistering. The "Lemmy years" (two and half lps worth of studio material, not a lot) were marked by a great band playing together not because of any one individual. The same can be said for the Quark line-up. As an aside Motorhead have been off the boil since the early eighties, so perhaps their greatness was due to Fast Eddie and not Lemmy. Dave >i mean, mr brock sounded downright poor on the 'silver machine' b-side >version of '7x7'.... >and i _like_ brock's vocals....... >but who, if not lemmy, transformed that song into what was heard on 'space >ritual'? From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Jun 17 15:13:27 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:13:27 +0200 Subject: Fw: HW:Hawkwind and Pink Floyd CD'S for sale Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Filip Vanhuyse To: L-Soft list server at St. Peter's College, US (1.8b) Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: HW:Hawkwind and Pink Floyd CD'S for sale Hi all, A friend of mine wants to sell following CD'S: Hawkwind -Lord Of Light (cleopatra compilation) -BBC one live concert (on Windsong) Pink Floyd -Obscured At The Rainbow (PYCD053) -Welcome To The Machine (TSP-CD-061,New York 7/77) -Music For Architectural Students (Living Legend LLRCD 028) -In The Sky (PYCD 044) -Starclub Phyco (BPCD 032) The Hawkwind ones are ?10 P+P included and the Pink Floyd ones are all bootleg and only ?15 P+P included. Must say I know the guy who sells those items and I can fairly say they are mint. >From another Pink Floyd fan I know the bootlegs are now rare,so that's a bargain. There may be 1 or 2 other Hawkwind ones,but the guy hasn't dicided yet. best wishes filip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Sat Jun 17 15:18:32 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:18:32 +0200 Subject: HW:James Last Message-ID: Did who sing it? Dave or James? I've got a signed copy from Dave. As a matter of fact,I send a copy to Dave some years back for his birthday and he was very happy with it. filip ----- Original Message ----- From: linuxchaos To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: Re: HW:James Last did he sing it? Filip Vanhuyse wrote: Hi all, Found another James Last LP with "Silver Machine" on it.The reason I find those items often is that some 15 secondhand dealers are looking for Hawkwind & related stuff for me.Again the most I would like is to swap. JAMES LASTNON STOP DANCING 1973POLYDOR 2371 319GERMANY best wishesfilip hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sat Jun 17 21:30:45 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:30:45 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: Lemmy's voice may not be very melodic, but check out the bass lines on 'Doremi . . ',compared to the the bass lines by Mr. Anderson on ISOS. Much better IMO. As for melodic singing, Dave Brock's ain't always that great, neether(no offense, Mr. B) For example, the version of 'Seven by Seven' on the remaster ISOS. Musical yelling, really.(I do like it, tho'). Joe Loehr From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Jun 18 00:27:01 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:27:01 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Loehr" To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: HW: question for MR. BROCK > Lemmy's voice may not be very melodic, but check out the bass lines on > 'Doremi . . ',compared to the the bass lines by Mr. Anderson on ISOS. Much > better IMO. > > As for melodic singing, Dave Brock's ain't always that great, neether(no > offense, Mr. B) For example, the version of 'Seven by Seven' on the remaster > ISOS. Musical yelling, really.(I do like it, tho'). That's not Brock singing Seven By Seven on the ISOS remaster.... not quite sure who it is, actually, but it isn't Dave. > Joe Loehr > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jun 18 00:43:59 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:13:59 +0930 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: I prefer Daves vocals on any Hawkwind song - just has that perfect tonal sound that makes hawkwind HAWKWIND ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: question for MR. BROCK > In a message dated 6/17/00 10:39:33 AM, wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > << Lemmy Shhmemmy... >> > ======== > well, this didnt answer the question re: '7x7' > but....... > sounds like you have some feelings about this, mum. > > chairs, then! > no, wait > i meant _cheers_, then! > > "<>" > == > < more or less possible, - doing same in the company of ravers results in a > fall, and taking of sides...>> > KISAKO 2K > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 01:05:40 2000 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:05:40 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 1:53:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << As an aside Motorhead have been off the boil since the early eighties, so perhaps their greatness was due to Fast Eddie and not Lemmy. >> if i weren't so polite, i might characterize this statement as 'absolutely ridiculous'... rmayo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 02:40:01 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:40:01 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/00 12:26:47 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << That's not Brock singing Seven By Seven on the ISOS remaster.... not quite sure who it is, actually, but it isn't Dave. > Joe Loehr >> ====== no, axually, it _is_ dave. not turner not calvert not lemmy but dave. "<>" From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jun 18 05:38:42 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 04:38:42 -0500 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <15.54d4916.267d8045@aol.com> Message-ID: Lemmy is great on bass; "Master of the Universe" live "Space Ritual" or "SR" 2 is one of my favorite bass passages. Mr. Anderson is also great (minus) though on "In Search of Space" At 09:30 PM 06/17/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Lemmy's voice may not be very melodic, but check out the bass lines on >'Doremi . . ',compared to the the bass lines by Mr. Anderson on ISOS. Much >better IMO. > >As for melodic singing, Dave Brock's ain't always that great, neether(no >offense, Mr. B) For example, the version of 'Seven by Seven' on the remaster >ISOS. Musical yelling, really.(I do like it, tho'). > >Joe Loehr > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 06:21:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:21:55 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/17/00 1:53:07 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Was ist los, guv'nor. It was the 7x7 b-side that really fired my interest in the band. ===== interesting that you'd come to HW via that route; i didnt hear it until after i'd heard the 'space ritual'. version....but by comparison, the b-side is feeble. IMO.... and..... <> .....because they were seriously [wait for it] STONED. or otherwise wasted. === brings to mind an anecdote from '79...about rehearsing a new song w/my guitarist ['the perimeter boys', messrs. jarrett/pearson] while, um, tripping. i liked what i was hearing so much, i stopped to listen. whoops! i had been _playing_,too, so..... ===== "<>" From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM Sun Jun 18 06:27:32 2000 From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:27:32 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK In-Reply-To: <000501bfd8dd$738f33c0$6a6040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: YES IT IS BROCK SINGING ON THE ISOS RE-MASTER!!!! From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jun 18 08:09:07 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:39:07 +0930 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) Message-ID: my sentiments quadrupled ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) > In a message dated 6/17/00 1:53:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > << As an aside Motorhead have been off the boil since the early eighties, so > perhaps their greatness was due to Fast Eddie and not Lemmy. > >> > if i weren't so polite, i might characterize this statement as 'absolutely > ridiculous'... > rmayo > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jun 18 12:05:55 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:05:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: <00b401bfd716$9af282a0$359393c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, XXX wrote: > Well Jon What can I say? I am just a human being, not Master of the > Universe. I keep trying to get thing together but quite often people around > me fail to rise up to the occasion and keep in touch with their fans. We > also have a management company who dictate to us sometimes about what we > should do and what we should not do, so I have to walk the tight rope, but > my heart is good and I try. Argh! My somewhat cynical post was sent before I realised there was an open forum on. I've sent a private mail apologising for my tone. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Sun Jun 18 13:55:13 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:55:13 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 Message-ID: Hell yes ! Anything you want done in the Norwich & Kings Lynn area's, you can count on Two voluteers to cover here. geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 15 June 2000 23:10 Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Mather >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:26 AM >Subject: Re: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 > > >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Melvyn Vincent wrote: >> >> => So there I was at the Croydon Fairfield Halls gig which was barely a >third >> => full.......thinking to myself...."there should be a lot more people >here!" >> => If there had been fly posters around London or ads in the music >> => press....maybe you could have filled the place......and deservedly so! >> => Apart from all of us old 'diehard' fans you shouldn't ignore the fact >that >> => there are younger generations out there waiting to 'discover' HW. >> => >> => Basically...what I'm saying is that you (all) deserve to do better. So >why >> => don't you invest some proper time and dosh in promoting youselves >> => better.(or get some company to do it for you........properly) >> => After all.......you all deserve it!!!!!! >> >> As a simple suggestion, over on the Gov't Mule mailing list, their >> management will sometimes solicit requests on the e-mail list for one or >> two volunteers in each area on a tour to put up flyposters in the >> locality. In return, the management gives said volunteers a free ticket >> to the gig, as well as supplying all the publicity material in advance. >> >> I've found that this grass roots involvement in the success of the band >> seems to work very well. (There appears to be no shortage of >> volunteers.) The bottom line is that I've never been to a badly >> attended Gov't Mule show yet, which is great for all concerned! >> >> Maybe Hawkwind might bear this in mind? (I'm sure there are willing >> people on this list...) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. > > >Thank you, this is a good suggestion, hopefully our management will pay >attention to this and use it for the next tour. >Any volunteers???????? > > > > >> >> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu >> >> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> --- Frank Vincent Zappa >> > From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jun 18 14:10:56 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:10:56 PDT Subject: Today's Posts Message-ID: I just got done reading today's digest. What a waste!!! I sure hope Dave does not read or reply to most of those posts. If he has read them, he probably thinks at least one person on our list is an idiot. Get a grip! If you are going to have a "discussion" back and forth w/ the same person on the same topic, leave us out of it. And more importantly don't wast Dave's time! Signing off in total disbelief. np: Djam Karet - Suspension & Displacement Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 15:56:55 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:56:55 EDT Subject: Today's Posts Message-ID: In a message dated 6/18/00 2:12:31 PM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Get a grip! If you are going to have a "discussion" back and forth w/ the same person on the same topic, leave us out of it. And more importantly don't waste Dave's time! Signing off in total disbelief. >> ========= quit presuming to speak for dave brock, and quit giving people here orders! replying in big-time annoyance. "<>" From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Jun 18 16:37:37 2000 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:37:37 -0400 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: Joe Loehr wrote: The singing may not be spectacular on this, but the lead guitar is incredibly beautiful to my ears. Dave Brock lead guitar!!! Wow!! Chris > As for melodic singing, Dave Brock's ain't always that great, neether(no > offense, Mr. B) For example, the version of 'Seven by Seven' on the remaster > ISOS. Musical yelling, really.(I do like it, tho'). > > Joe Loehr From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 18 19:28:53 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:28:53 +0100 Subject: Today's Posts Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Today's Posts > I just got done reading today's digest. What a waste!!! > I sure hope Dave does not read or reply to most of those posts. If he has > read them, he probably thinks at least one person on our list is an idiot. > > Get a grip! If you are going to have a "discussion" back and forth w/ the > same person on the same topic, leave us out of it. And more importantly > don't wast Dave's time! > > Signing off in total disbelief. > > np: Djam Karet - Suspension & Displacement > > Darrin > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 18 20:07:28 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 01:07:28 +0100 Subject: Today's Posts - 2nd attempt Message-ID: I think it more likely that the "discussion" has simply slid off topic without anyone changing the subject header. This happens extremely regularly in mailing lists and I long ago learned that very few contents match their headers after the first dozen or so exchanges. It is however a pity that the header concerned had been first used to trigger a set of questions for Dave and subsequently became just a local conversation and I feel a real sense of regret if Dave does feel misled. I very much enjoyed his responses which I found honest, informative and illuminating and I certainly hope he doesn't feel he was wasting his time. My thanks to him and to Kris for the opportunity and for the information so freely given. Regrettably it's just human nature to post replies without checking what subject line headed up the original message, especially if people join in without realising that the original header *was* specifically directed. It is confusing but it's certainly not intended to mislead. Thanks again to Dave and co. jill PS I've just seen that I accidentally sent the first version of this out without a reply. Thus are problems compounded. sorry! ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrin McKeehen To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Today's Posts > I just got done reading today's digest. What a waste!!! > I sure hope Dave does not read or reply to most of those posts. If he has > read them, he probably thinks at least one person on our list is an idiot. > > Get a grip! If you are going to have a "discussion" back and forth w/ the > same person on the same topic, leave us out of it. And more importantly > don't wast Dave's time! > > Signing off in total disbelief. > > np: Djam Karet - Suspension & Displacement > > Darrin > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 20:35:17 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:35:17 EDT Subject: Today's Posts - 2nd attempt Message-ID: thank you, jill. it had been _my_ original header too, which seemed strange to me, for others to have kept on using it. but i done did it too, so... for my part, i'll try to be more vigilant about such things in the hopes of general conniption-reduction. heh "<>" <> KISAKO 2K From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 22:09:29 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:09:29 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: I thunked it was Dave! Yelling or not, I still like it. Joe From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM Sun Jun 18 22:27:18 2000 From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:27:18 EDT Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: I wasn't trying to slam Dave(in case anyone thinks so), but was defending Lemmy. It seemed to me that a "Dave is Mr. Perfect and everyone else sucks!" kind of thing was building, and I just wanted to point out that the Baron has had some less than "perfect" moments.IMO And as far as Lemmy(or others) not being a big contributor to HW, Dave wouldna' have brought him(or the others) into the group if they wouldn't contribute something different or new, right? Joe From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jun 19 03:27:33 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:57:33 +0930 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK Message-ID: Hi You haven'y bugged me bro I picked up where you were coming from! As far as we should all be concerned HAWKWIND should be thought of as a collective not not just one of its parts. It has allways been the combination of talents working together that has made HAWKWIND the massive band that it will forever allways be! However, personally, I love the sound of Daves vocals. http://www.ozemail.com.au~michaelangelo68 come on over for a visit ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Loehr To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: question for MR. BROCK > I wasn't trying to slam Dave(in case anyone thinks so), but was defending > Lemmy. It seemed to me that a "Dave is Mr. Perfect and everyone else sucks!" > kind of thing was building, and I just wanted to point out that the Baron has > had some less than "perfect" moments.IMO > > And as far as Lemmy(or others) not being a big contributor to HW, Dave > wouldna' have brought him(or the others) into the group if they wouldn't > contribute something different or new, right? > > Joe > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 07:02:28 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:02:28 +0100 Subject: HW:OPEN FORUM WITH DAVE 2 In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:00 +0100 Message-ID: XXX writes: [Paul's suggestion for fan input to promotion and organisation....] > Thank you, this is a good suggestion, hopefully our management will pay > attention to this and use it for the next tour. > Any volunteers???????? Sign me up. I can produce stuff on computer and do some distribution in Edinburgh. I should be able to get something into local newspapers - particularly if someone from the band were available for interview by a pal who's the SF reviewer for the Scotsman. I drink with folks who are SF writers and fans and could probably whip up some enthusiasm amongst them too if there were some way for them to contribute. There's even a new rock gig in Edinburgh so it's not just the Playhouse or the Usher Hall any more. FoFP From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 19 07:06:50 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:06:50 PDT Subject: Filter Message-ID: Hey, Someone recently told me that if I switch from "digest" mode to getting individual posts that I can "filter" out someone's posts, so I don't have to read any of that person's posts. As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the same person. Could someone please send me a personal note w/ directions on how to do this? Thanx! Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 07:11:09 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:11:09 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: [reading SF....] DaveB writes: > I read Return to Rendevous with Rama by Arthur C Clark, recently and I > thought that it was a load of old crap although the first one was good. > Rendevous with Rama) Yep. I used to be a big enough Clarke fan (particularly his short stories) that I took the risk of doing my English Higher section based on him rather than the "literary" stuff (I did OK). However he seemed to lose interest in writing good SF after "Imperial Earth" with maybe "Songs of Distant Earth" as a minor exception. I'd always expected "Rendezvous With Rama" to become an SF film once the tech was up to doing it (about now) but I figure that the sequels are so purely awful that this won't ever happen. FoFP [Recommendation: Ken MacLeod's SF books, though I'll declare the interest that he buys me pints regularly] From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 07:29:20 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:29:20 +0100 Subject: HW: The Real Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: Brian Halligan's message of Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:00:42 -0400 Message-ID: Brian Halligan writes: > A while back, my television (trustworthy and thorough news source that > it is) told me that the Templars had not one, but *five* Arks of the > Covenent hidden somewhere in Scotland in a castle or somesuch. Now, > if Hawkwind could just find them we'd have a Hell of a Death Generator > gig! > Or, since the TV also said the arks were just primative batteries, > they could power the mother of all light shows. That sounds like something out of Erik Von Daniken. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 07:38:43 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:38:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" ===== In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the same person.>> ====== and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen yesterday. but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. this is hardly the first, or second, time. i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group too, that day]. however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group and _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, please clobber me off-group. however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group mail months ago. and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. "<>" larry boyd From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 08:08:12 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:08:12 +0100 Subject: Today's Posts In-Reply-To: Darrin McKeehen's message of Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:10:56 PDT Message-ID: Darrin McKeehen writes: > I just got done reading today's digest. What a waste!!! I sure hope > Dave does not read or reply to most of those posts. If he has read > them, he probably thinks at least one person on our list is an idiot. The difference between here and the rest of the internet being? > Signing off in total disbelief. Ever hear the Golden Rule of poker? If you're looking round the table and you can't tell who the patsy is: it's you. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jun 19 08:21:17 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:21:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. > probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen > yesterday. > but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. > this is hardly the first, or second, time. > > i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and > another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group > too, that day]. > however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group and > _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. > > mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. Tsk, tsk. As someone who recently publically castigated someone for "presuming to speak for Dave Brock," it seems that you, too, are "presuming to speak" for someone. Either that, or you are volunteering to be the mysterious "idiot" in question... ;-) Any chance this kind of stuff could be resolved off list? (I guess not, as apparently at least one side is now programmed to turn a deaf ear. Open minds, but shut ears. What a combination...) Not a flame; I just think the whole thing is amusing. Cheers, Paul. -- e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 08:49:49 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:49:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 8:31:35 AM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << Any chance this kind of stuff could be resolved off list? (I guess not, as apparently at least one side is now programmed to turn a deaf ear. Open minds, but shut ears. What a combination...) Not a flame; I just think the whole thing is amusing. >> ========= Waaaaaaah! but he started it! did not! did so! did _not_! did _so_ ! ad nauseum. "<>" From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Mon Jun 19 09:29:22 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:29:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ don't read this/delete & ON: Strange Days In-Reply-To: <394E103D.7604696F@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Message-ID: This list is the most civilized I am on. I'd hate to see things degenerate. ________________ AND a question. What is the latest lineup for Strange Days? Mike H __________________ "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jun 19 09:44:24 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: Today's Posts Message-ID: At 01:08 PM 6/19/2000 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Darrin McKeehen writes: > >> I just got done reading today's digest. What a waste!!! I sure hope >> Dave does not read or reply to most of those posts. If he has read >> them, he probably thinks at least one person on our list is an idiot. Well, in an attempt to divert this mess, just remember that its always Steve Swann's fault. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Jun 19 10:34:24 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:24 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006191111.MAA18084@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, M Holmes wrote: >Yep. I used to be a big enough Clarke fan (particularly his short >stories) that I took the risk of doing my English Higher section based >on him rather than the "literary" stuff (I did OK). However he seemed to >lose interest in writing good SF after "Imperial Earth" with maybe >"Songs of Distant Earth" as a minor exception. I'd always expected >"Rendezvous With Rama" to become an SF film once the tech was up to >doing it (about now) but I figure that the sequels are so purely awful >that this won't ever happen. I totally agree with you. (Although "Fountains of Paradise" wasn't bad) The last books he (co-)wrote were really dire. The problem IMHO is, that nowadays he only writes the online of the plot and lets other people (that Gentry Lee for example, who should have stayed with NASA and not become a SF-author) add the flesh around the bones. If he wants to do it that way, he should at least collaborate with authors who can write interesting. >FoFP [Recommendation: Ken MacLeod's SF books, though I'll declare > the interest that he buys me pints regularly] I'll give them a try. "The Cassini Division" will be released as paperback in August. (C)IAO D+R From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 11:01:46 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:01:46 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:24 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > Hi, > > M Holmes wrote: > > >Yep. I used to be a big enough Clarke fan (particularly his short > >stories) that I took the risk of doing my English Higher section based > >on him rather than the "literary" stuff (I did OK). However he seemed to > >lose interest in writing good SF after "Imperial Earth" with maybe > >"Songs of Distant Earth" as a minor exception. I'd always expected > >"Rendezvous With Rama" to become an SF film once the tech was up to > >doing it (about now) but I figure that the sequels are so purely awful > >that this won't ever happen. > > I totally agree with you. (Although "Fountains of Paradise" wasn't bad) I thought the tech was interesting but the backplot was very plodding. However, OK, it wasn't a complete turkey in the way the Rama sequels were. > The last books he (co-)wrote were really dire. The problem IMHO is, that > nowadays he only writes the online of the plot and lets other people (that > Gentry Lee for example, who should have stayed with NASA and not become a > SF-author) add the flesh around the bones. If he wants to do it that way, > he should at least collaborate with authors who can write interesting. Some scientists do write good SF. Just look at Robert Forward's stuff for example. > > >FoFP [Recommendation: Ken MacLeod's SF books, though I'll declare > > the interest that he buys me pints regularly] > > I'll give them a try. "The Cassini Division" will be released as paperback > in August. Best read "The Star Fraction" before that one since some of the characters reappear, and their android replicas really are playing up again. FoFP From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Jun 19 11:16:51 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:16:51 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006191501.QAA18916@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi, M Holmes wrote: >Some scientists do write good SF. Just look at Robert Forward's stuff >for example. That's right, of course. I just wanted to say that _that_ particular scientist isn't the best author in the history of SF. >Best read "The Star Fraction" before that one since some of the >characters reappear, and their android replicas really are playing up >again. Thanks for the recommendation. The next time I'll be in the foreign-language section of the local bookstore I'll look for it. I hope they'll have it in stock. (C)IAO D+R From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Jun 19 11:48:55 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:48:55 +0200 Subject: HW: Glastonbury triple for swap/sale Message-ID: Hi folks I've got a spare copy of the Glastonbury triple vinyl LP for swap or sale. There are no posters or booklet included I'd rather swap then sale but if you have nothing to swap the prize is (incl. p&p): 55 US$ / 35 UKP / 110 DM Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Jun 19 11:57:23 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:57:23 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000619161717.00b23340@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Message-ID: At 16:34 19.06.2000 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >M Holmes wrote: > >>Yep. I used to be a big enough Clarke fan (particularly his short >>stories) that I took the risk of doing my English Higher section based >>on him rather than the "literary" stuff (I did OK). However he seemed to >>lose interest in writing good SF after "Imperial Earth" with maybe >>"Songs of Distant Earth" as a minor exception. I'd always expected >>"Rendezvous With Rama" to become an SF film once the tech was up to >>doing it (about now) but I figure that the sequels are so purely awful >>that this won't ever happen. > >I totally agree with you. (Although "Fountains of Paradise" wasn't bad) >The last books he (co-)wrote were really dire. The problem IMHO is, that >nowadays he only writes the online of the plot and lets other people (that >Gentry Lee for example, who should have stayed with NASA and not become a >SF-author) add the flesh around the bones. If he wants to do it that way, >he should at least collaborate with authors who can write interesting. I can't agree with that. As a very very big fan of ASIMOV, HEINLEIN and CLARKE (I have all their books) I must say that the 4 RAMA books are best SCIENCE FICTION I've ever read. Only the 15 FOUNDATION books are compareable Bernhard From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jun 19 12:24:31 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:24:31 +0300 Subject: HW:NIK Message-ID: Hi Folks.. I do not remember that here is mention Babylon Whores- King Fear album which incl. Nik! Babylon Whores is another finnish doom/metal/black/stoner band. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Jun 19 12:29:55 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:55 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006191601.SAA14328@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: Hi, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >I totally agree with you. (Although "Fountains of Paradise" wasn't bad) > >The last books he (co-)wrote were really dire. The problem IMHO is, that > >nowadays he only writes the online of the plot and lets other people (that ^^^^^^ Ouch!! I meant "outline" of course. >I can't agree with that. As a very very big fan of ASIMOV, HEINLEIN and >CLARKE (I have all their books) I must say that the 4 RAMA books are best >SCIENCE FICTION I've ever read. Only the 15 FOUNDATION books are compareable Opinions differ. That's a good thing, or else we'd all listen to Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys. The first Rama book was great IMHO and it really deserved its Hugo and Nebula Awards. But the last three don't have the same sense of wonder the first one had. Asimov is great and the Foundation-series rightfully belongs into the Hall of Fame of SF-literature, but I can't stand Heinlein. His pseudo-philosophical ("Starship Troopers" is the best example) babble and his right-wing-propaganda spoils most of his books for me. The best SF-books ever written IMHO are the "Dune" Chronicles by Frank Herbert and a lot of Roger Zelaznys work, especially "Lord of Light". (C)IAO D+R From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Jun 19 12:39:36 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:39:36 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000619180601.00bd6950@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Message-ID: At 18:29 19.06.2000 +0200, you wrote: >Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >>I can't agree with that. As a very very big fan of ASIMOV, HEINLEIN and >>CLARKE (I have all their books) I must say that the 4 RAMA books are best >>SCIENCE FICTION I've ever read. Only the 15 FOUNDATION books are compareable > >Opinions differ. That's a good thing, or else we'd all listen to Britney >Spears or the Backstreet Boys. > >The first Rama book was great IMHO and it really deserved its Hugo and >Nebula Awards. But the last three don't have the same sense of wonder the >first one had. >Asimov is great and the Foundation-series rightfully belongs into the Hall >of Fame of SF-literature, but I can't stand Heinlein. His >pseudo-philosophical ("Starship Troopers" is the best example) babble and >his right-wing-propaganda spoils most of his books for me. >The best SF-books ever written IMHO are the "Dune" Chronicles by Frank >Herbert and a lot of Roger Zelaznys work, especially "Lord of Light". I agree with you that HEINLEIN problematic writer. I've only read his older stuff. His newer books are chaotic. I do not like them! btw: did someone had the chance to play the PC game based on CLARKES RAMA books ? A great one! Bernhard From denis at D-RIDER.DE Mon Jun 19 12:52:00 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:52:00 +0200 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006191639.SAA16284@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: Hi, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >I agree with you that HEINLEIN problematic writer. I've only read his older >stuff. His newer books are chaotic. I do not like them! ACK. His works in the Golden Age was more enjyable and also spread that positive view that was so typical then. After WWII the aforementioned philosophical stuff, a kind of cynicism and bitterness began to appear in his writings. >btw: did someone had the chance to play the PC game based on CLARKES RAMA >books ? >A great one! Unfortunately not. (C)IAO D+R From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 19 14:11:17 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:11:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with his merry band of men. In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the Brock Q & A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my part, it would appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, like some people, and that he still has a vision of Hawkwind progressing into the future, albeit perhaps not what many of you out thwere particulalry want but for which he hopes you will give him the time of day. Clearly he sees villains in the stage along the way, but as people fall out slightly, others fall back in and when push comes to shove he clearly believes that he is holding the reins on the good ship Hawkwind. I say three cheers for Dave who, when faced with some of the things that seem to go on in Camp Hawkwind, it's a wonder that he hasn't given up and taken his bags with him. So, we have a whole slew of new music to lok forward to, tours with various people, maybe even the start of Brock solo outings (or some form). No, Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are stronger now than at any time since the '70's. .......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the '70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real Hawkwind album. Enough - supper's ready........ Andy Garibaldi > My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" > ===== > In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > << > As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the same > person.>> > ====== > and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. > probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen > yesterday. > but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. > this is hardly the first, or second, time. > > i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and > another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group > too, that day]. > however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group and > _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. > > mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. > > anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, > please clobber me off-group. > > however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group mail > months ago. > > and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. > but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. > > "<>" > larry boyd From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 19 14:18:33 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:18:33 -0700 Subject: OFF: Sci-Fi Authors (was: Re: Clarke's SF books) Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:01:46 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Some scientists do write good SF. Just look at Robert Forward's stuff >for example. Rudy Rucker, a mathematics professor at San Jose State University, is a favorite of mine. Supposedly his academic math writings are very good, too, but his science fiction has lots of great ideas and a fantastic sense of humor. His "-ware" series takes the "I, Robot" concept(s) to several new levels ... And, on Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:55 +0200, Denis Regenbrecht wrote: >I can't stand Heinlein. His >pseudo-philosophical ("Starship Troopers" is the best example) babble and >his right-wing-propaganda spoils most of his books for me. One of the things I liked the most about the 'Starship Troopers' movie was the way it smirkingly-ridiculed Heinlein's right-wing views with its' way-over-the-top "friendly fascism". Possibly one of the best "B" movies based on "pulp" sci-fi ever made ... I find it ironic that 'Stranger in a Strange Land' became a hippie bible, since its' situation/ethics are far more 50's 'Playboy' than truly "free" love (if there is/ever was such a thing). People I knew who met him later in his life said that he was the ultimate "dirty old man". But then again, most "egalitarian" hippie/commune situations in the 60's weren't that more advanced than Hefner's 50's fantasies, anyway (the MC5 house in Ann Arbor, MI, being a prime example ... the photo of Michael Davis balling a groupie while a fresh-faced Fred Smith looks on says it all). >The best SF-books ever written IMHO are the "Dune" Chronicles by Frank >Herbert and a lot of Roger Zelaznys work, especially "Lord of Light". I really enjoyed 'Lord of Light'. This is probably one of the few forums where I can get away without being flamed (or maybe not, given some of this weekends messages) for saying that the anti-Xtian sentiments in that book strongly appeal to the (non-millitant, but damn-opinionated!) atheist in me. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 19 16:29:37 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:29:37 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: As a guy who agrees with the Clarke and Asimov as genius discussion, outside of these writers, here are my top 10 recommendations: Stephen BaxterVacuum Diagrams/Ring/Timelike Infinity Stephen Baxter-The Time Ships Greg Bear-Eon/Eternity/Legacy (last one's not so hot nut the first two - wow!) Greg Benford-Cosm(nothing new but superbly done) Clifford D Simak-Ring Around The Sun/Project Pope Happy reading Andy Garibaldi From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 19 16:14:49 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:14:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: Ok, I know I'm generally a lurker and will be poo-poo by the serious amongst you for this wee missive, but I, feel that since this a discussion group and the original point being discussed was HW connected (ie the relative merits of Lemmy) that the thread was worth continuing. Also most of the thraed was written after the Open Forum discussion time had elapsed. My point is therefore if we are to have free discusion and dissemination of ideas; to censor, or resort to name calling (alluding) as some people are suggesting will make us no better than some of the less reputable news groups (for an example of where this could all lead see Alt.rock 'n' roll.Iron Maiden). Lets keep the threads goimg and less bickering, By the way IMHO Lemmy was an important contributor to HW at the time of his involvement but as is with all things the band has grown, moved on and chaged radically several times since. Mr Brock has been the mainstay behind the group so his contribution must be immeasurably larger than any single other individual so keep up the good work Dave, and thanks for all the pleasure your music has brought me over the years (in fact it's 20 yrs since I saw my first gig). Doc -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 June 2000 12:42 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" ===== In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the same person.>> ====== and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen yesterday. but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. this is hardly the first, or second, time. i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group too, that day]. however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group and _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, please clobber me off-group. however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group mail months ago. and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. "<>" larry boyd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 19 16:40:29 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:40:29 -0700 Subject: HW: Lemmy years Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:43:44 +0100, david hall wrote: >The "Lemmy years" (two and half lps worth of studio material, not a lot) This comment has been made a couple times over the course of this thread, so it's worth noting that those three albums were the three highest-charting [UK, obviously] studio albums in Hawkwind's career ('Warrior' - #13, 'Doremi' - #14, 'Mountain Grill' - #16, with 'In Search of Space' - #18 being fourth-highest and 'Sonic Attack' [!? - must've been that major-label marketing budget] being their only other top-20 studio album at #19). And that 'Space Ritual' was Hawkwind's *only* top-10 album (#9). Also add two completely non-LP singles to the list of that era's releases, both of which were Hawkwind's only top-40 singles (#3 & #39). And that 'Roadhawks' (all Lemmy-era except two songs from the first album) is the only Hawkwind compilation to chart (#33 or #34, I think), period. So I think it IS entirely safe to say that the majority (not the majority of boc-l, but the majority of all who have heard Hawkwind over the years ... a much larger and therefore more "accurate" statistical sample) would "prefer" that era. At least I'll take the era of (nearly) three GREAT studio albums and two GREAT non-LP singles over the era of (for example) two double-LP's with a few great songs and lots of filler ... >were marked by a great band playing together not because of any one >individual. YES! By referring to '72-'75 as the "Lemmy" era, I in no way meant to detract from the contributions made by other members during that time (or imply in any way shape or form that it was "Lemmy's band" or that he alone made Hawkwind the great band they were at that time [as opposed to the different great band they've been at other times] ... I'm fully willing to accept that the great leap in sonic advancement from 'XISoS' to 'Doremi' is due just as much to Simon King as to Lemmy); it's merely the most convenient tag, since those years correspond with his membership. And yes, I like his vocals, both lead and backing, very much. They fit very well with the music from that era of Hawkwind, and let's face it, Hawkwind have *never* had a "technically great" singer (not even remotely ... it's good enough that most of them [save a keyboard player or two, and maybe a sci-fi author] have been able to sing in-key). I would be very curious to hear from someone who prefers lead vocals on "Silver Machine" as done by Bob, Dave, Nik, Ron, or any other Hawkwind-er who's handled them (I know you're out there - I just want to know WHY you think so). -Doug ceres at sirius.com Note/Disclaimer: Chart positions from M.C. Strong's 'Great Rock Discography', which is so utterly riddled with errors that it reaches the point of being extremely questionable as a reference work, so any of these could *very easily* be incorrect. Sue me for not getting an independent verification :^). From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jun 19 16:53:19 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:53:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy years Message-ID: I agree with what you say. As to studio output from 74 - 75, what can I say...if only there had been one more. As for one more I've mentioned this before but here goes, I'm sure there was a live recording from the warrior tour which was intended for release. This has been mentioned in Hawkfan in the past. Anyone know anything? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 June 2000 21:46 Subject: HW: Lemmy years >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:43:44 +0100, david hall > wrote: >>The "Lemmy years" (two and half lps worth of studio material, not a lot) > >This comment has been made a couple times over the course of this thread, >so it's worth noting that those three albums were the three >highest-charting [UK, obviously] studio albums in Hawkwind's career >('Warrior' - #13, 'Doremi' - #14, 'Mountain Grill' - #16, with 'In Search >of Space' - #18 being fourth-highest and 'Sonic Attack' [!? - must've been >that major-label marketing budget] being their only other top-20 studio >album at #19). And that 'Space Ritual' was Hawkwind's *only* top-10 album >(#9). Also add two completely non-LP singles to the list of that era's >releases, both of which were Hawkwind's only top-40 singles (#3 & #39). >And that 'Roadhawks' (all Lemmy-era except two songs from the first album) >is the only Hawkwind compilation to chart (#33 or #34, I think), period. > >So I think it IS entirely safe to say that the majority (not the majority >of boc-l, but the majority of all who have heard Hawkwind over the years >... a much larger and therefore more "accurate" statistical sample) would >"prefer" that era. > >At least I'll take the era of (nearly) three GREAT studio albums and two >GREAT non-LP singles over the era of (for example) two double-LP's with a >few great songs and lots of filler ... > >>were marked by a great band playing together not because of any one >>individual. > >YES! By referring to '72-'75 as the "Lemmy" era, I in no way meant to >detract from the contributions made by other members during that time (or >imply in any way shape or form that it was "Lemmy's band" or that he alone >made Hawkwind the great band they were at that time [as opposed to the >different great band they've been at other times] ... I'm fully willing to >accept that the great leap in sonic advancement from 'XISoS' to 'Doremi' is >due just as much to Simon King as to Lemmy); it's merely the most >convenient tag, since those years correspond with his membership. > >And yes, I like his vocals, both lead and backing, very much. They fit >very well with the music from that era of Hawkwind, and let's face it, >Hawkwind have *never* had a "technically great" singer (not even remotely >... it's good enough that most of them [save a keyboard player or two, and >maybe a sci-fi author] have been able to sing in-key). I would be very >curious to hear from someone who prefers lead vocals on "Silver Machine" as >done by Bob, Dave, Nik, Ron, or any other Hawkwind-er who's handled them (I >know you're out there - I just want to know WHY you think so). > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > >Note/Disclaimer: Chart positions from M.C. Strong's 'Great Rock >Discography', which is so utterly riddled with errors that it reaches the >point of being extremely questionable as a reference work, so any of these >could *very easily* be incorrect. Sue me for not getting an independent >verification :^). > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 19 16:56:33 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:56:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Glastonbury triple for swap/sale Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:48:55 +0200, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >I've got a spare copy of the Glastonbury triple vinyl LP for swap or sale. >There are no posters or booklet included > >I'd rather swap then sale but if you have nothing to swap the prize is >(incl. p&p): > >55 US$ / 35 UKP / 110 DM This is a great price for the music alone - fantastic stuff! Keep in mind that the Hawkwind tracks ("Silver Machine"/"Welcome to the Future") have never been reissued in this form EVER (well, there was a bootleg double-CD a few years back). And with the 'Greasy Truckers' release on Voiceprint cancelled, it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. The Edgar Broughton & Gong sides are also fantastic IMO, and have also both never been reissued. The Pink Fairies side, while also great, has been recently reissued on several releases (Twink = the "Dave Anderson" of that band). I also really like the Mighty Baby track, and the Grateful Dead side, well, should be essential for any Deadheads out there ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com P.S. Bernhard - does that mean you successfully got that complete copy? From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 17:13:54 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:13:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy years In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000619134029.00994970@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 13:40 19/06/00, Doug Pearson wrote: >This comment has been made a couple times over the course of this thread [...] > ... I'm fully willing to >accept that the great leap in sonic advancement from 'XISoS' to 'Doremi' Great leap backwards, IMO. ISOS remains a great album; Doremi is largely ponderous sludge, with none of the energy that made the same songs so great on The Space Ritual. I guess ISOS doesn't really have "energy" in that sense either, but the songs fit the mood better. From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 19 17:18:09 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:18:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Reformation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:05 18/06/00, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Argh! My somewhat cynical post was sent before I realised there >was an open forum on. I've sent a private mail apologising for my >tone. Yours, > Jon Bad luck, Jon. But I did think when I saw your post, that Dave is probably the most pissed off of anyone at the various plans that haven't worked out. It's even worse that he's had to put his money where his mouth is, so to speak, and has lost out. Here's hoping the fan fly-posting scheme will help the next tour succeed. Dave. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 19 17:28:38 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:28:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy years In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000619134029.00994970@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: According to Pete Frame's ROCK FAMILY TREES, ROADHAWKS made #34, and "Silver Machine" also made #34 on reissue in 1978. In general, I can't choose between Dave's, Nik's, Bob's or Lemmy's vocals on SM - although Bob's original live vocals as on GLASTONBURY FAYRE definitely needed overdubbing by somebody... but one of my favourite versions of "Brainstorm" is the Calvert-led one on one of the Weird tapes. The "Lemmy years" are just as much a misnomer as the "Calvert years" of course... and they're all the "Brock years!" Perhaps we should talk about the "Stacia years," which would neatly take us from Glastonbury Fayre in June '71, until she left to get married in August '75. Not an entirely serious suggestion, mind. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jun 19 17:03:30 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:03:30 +0100 Subject: HW: question for MR. BROCK (HW: Lemmy years) Message-ID: Correct it is ridiculous...but I used it highlight the equally ridiculous parallel view that HW went off the boil as a result of the departure of Lemmy. Dave ><< As an aside Motorhead have been off the boil since the early eighties, so > perhaps their greatness was due to Fast Eddie and not Lemmy. > >> >if i weren't so polite, i might characterize this statement as 'absolutely >ridiculous'... >rmayo > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Jun 19 17:23:28 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:23:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind is not Gong is not Hawkwind Message-ID: Gong is not Hawkwind and Hawkwind is not Gong. Hurrah! Thank god for that! Too brilliant bands, I highlighted Gong because their situation was similar but on a different scale. Anyway for a band that have a lower profile they gig and record regularly...and the output gets better all the time. Dave may not be Daevid...heh, heh..but Daevid has had a recent influence. Glissando guitar anyone, some nice gliss work there Dave. Whatever happened to the planned Hawkwind/Gong US/UK tour in 94? Dave Xenon Codex revisited...I did, still horrible. Electric Tepee now that's a different thing , I'll have to get the cd! -----Original Message----- From: ANDREW GARIBALDI To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 June 2000 19:08 Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete No,Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are stronger now than at any time since the '70's........and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the'70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a realHawkwind album. Enough - supper's ready........ Andy Garibaldi From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 19 17:55:27 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:55:27 PDT Subject: The Brain Surgeons Tour Dates Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons Tour Dates Friday June 23 Manitoba's, 99 Ave, B, NYC Tuesday July 18 Mohawk Place 47 E. Mohawk St., Buffalo, NY 14203 (716)855-3931 (716)-855-3937 Thursday July 20 Howard's Club H 210 N. Main St., Bowling Green, OH 43402 (419)352-9951 Friday July 21 I-Rock, 16350 Harper Ave., Detroit, MI., 48224 (313) 881-7625 (313)-881-7425 Saturday July 22 Subterranean 2011 West North Avenue, Chicago, IL 60647 (773) -278-6600 Sunday July 23 TBA, Kalamazoo MI Saturday Aug 5 Jaxx, 6355 Rolling Road, West Springfield, VA 22152 (703)-569-5940 Sunday Aug 6 Cary Street Cafe, 2631 W. Cary Street, Richmond, VA 23220 (804)353-7445 Wednesday Aug 9 Somber Reptile Lizard Lounge, 842 Marietta St. NW Atlanta, GA 30318 (404) 881-9701 Thursday Aug 10 The Lizard Lounge, 1407 Market St Chattanooga TN (423)756-9599 Friday Aug 11 TBA, Nashville TN Saturday Aug 12 Misty Mountain Cafe, 4800 Monroe Road, Charlotte NC 28203 (704) -566-0479 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 18:10:28 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:10:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ don't read this/delete & ON: ... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 6:29:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET writes: > This list is the most civilized I am on. I'd hate to see things degenerate. > ________________ Nothing's perfect. This happens on BOC-L now and then. Maybe just a necessary and completely natural purging, like vomiting, selling a few CDs, whatever... or maybe I'm too optimistic...still it is, as Paul said, amusing, even more so than a lot of posts debating which date a certain HW gig is from... Flame me, but I'm just being honest. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 18:17:17 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:17:17 EDT Subject: OFF: Sci-Fi Authors (was: Re: Clarke's SF books) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 11:38:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:01:46 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > >Some scientists do write good SF. Just look at Robert Forward's stuff > >for example. > > Rudy Rucker, a mathematics professor at San Jose State University, is a > favorite of mine. Supposedly his academic math writings are very good, > too, this last part was a joke and you just forgot to add the :), right?? :) Chuck From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Mon Jun 19 18:21:07 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:21:07 -0700 Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: I'd appreciate if someone could give me some reccomendations on what to pickup from the following bands. Some I'm heard tracks by on various 'tribute' albums, others I've just heard about over the years. Chrome Controlled Bleeding Alien Planetscapes Coil Nurse With Wound Swans Thanks! scorch PS: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET Mon Jun 19 18:28:48 2000 From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:28:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy years Message-ID: i think that the original masters of the universe on ISOS is one of hawkwinds best tracks IMHO. i think 'that' version has never been bettered on any of hawkwinds other releases. colm -----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 19 June 2000 22:34 Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy years >At 13:40 19/06/00, Doug Pearson wrote: >>This comment has been made a couple times over the course of this thread [...] >> ... I'm fully willing to >>accept that the great leap in sonic advancement from 'XISoS' to 'Doremi' > >Great leap backwards, IMO. ISOS remains a great album; Doremi is largely >ponderous sludge, with none of the energy that made the same songs so great >on The Space Ritual. I guess ISOS doesn't really have "energy" in that >sense either, but the songs fit the mood better. > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 19 18:31:28 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:31:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sci-Fi Authors (was: Re: Clarke's SF books) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Rudy Rucker, a mathematics professor at San Jose State University, is a > > favorite of mine. Supposedly his academic math writings are very good, > > too, > > this last part was a joke and you just forgot to add the :), > right?? :) Chuck I don't know about his academic stuff, but his popular science books are very good (although some, like MIND TOOLS, seem a little dated now, but maybe that's just jaded ol' seen-it-all-before me). THE FOURTH DIMENSION, I think, still holds up... but the one you really need to check out is SAUCER WISDOM, a wild (and funny) speculation on future tech and how it will transform human lives and consciousness over the coming millennia. For anyone into classic sf, you could do worse than work your way through Millennium's new "SF Masterworks" and "Fantasy Masterworks" series - a very solid list, including important and, until now, long out of print classics from the likes of Bester, Vance, Zelazny (LORD OF LIGHT is among the series), and many more. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 18:38:32 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:38:32 EDT Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 3:21:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: > I'd appreciate if someone could give me some reccomendations on what > to pickup from the following bands. Some I'm heard tracks by on various > 'tribute' albums, others I've just heard about over the years. > > > Chrome "Half Machine Lip Moves" or "Red Exposure" are both great starting points for Chrome. For my taste, it's best to avoid any Chrome released after 1983 (after Helios Creed left the band) Bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Jun 19 18:42:07 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:42:07 EDT Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Message-ID: Andy, You are correct sir! I've never considered Xenon Codex anything less than brilliant. bob In a message dated 6/19/00 11:07:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > .......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the > '70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go > ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real > Hawkwind album. > Enough - supper's ready........ > Andy Garibaldi Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Mon Jun 19 18:59:20 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:59:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete Message-ID: I also agree. I've always felt that Xenon Codex was an underrated album. Sword of the East is a great song. Dr. Dan PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be dangerous?" Just curious. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Lennon [SMTP:Hawkwinder at AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/delete Andy, You are correct sir! I've never considered Xenon Codex anything less than brilliant. bob In a message dated 6/19/00 11:07:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > .......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the > '70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go > ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real > Hawkwind album. > Enough - supper's ready........ > Andy Garibaldi Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 19 19:14:31 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:14:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9E01DF4B78@NTGUSLAEXS1> Message-ID: > PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be > dangerous?" Just curious. My favourite HW album of the '90s. But I think I'm in a minority here... -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Jun 19 19:22:11 2000 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:22:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be > > dangerous?" Just curious. > >My favourite HW album of the '90s. But I think I'm in a minority here... > >-- Andy completely agree, this is one of their best. for me it's a different album and i have always hoped for something instrumental like this one. andre From flossbac at NLCI.COM Mon Jun 19 19:35:17 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:35:17 -0500 Subject: HW new vs old etc. Message-ID: > I also agree. I've always felt that Xenon Codex was an underrated album. > Sword of the East is > a great song. > > Dr. Dan > > PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be > dangerous?" Just curious. IITBOTFTBD is a great album, definitely a favorite. With all the recent discussion about the early 70's being the best and brightest Hawkwind, it tends to overshadow the fact that a lot of fans think the band is as good or better in more recent times. I rank "Palace Springs" among my top several Hawkwind albums. All the live albums are excellent, but "This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" has a special place in my heart. "Xenon Codex" is also really quite good... I guess I'm thinking that all the albums post-1980 are pretty good, with only a few songs here and there that aren't all that great. I wasn't too enthusiastic with the metal tendencies on "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" (specifically on Song of the Swords), but I still listen to and enjoy that album a lot. And then there is the electronic miasma of IITBOTFTBD or White Zone, or Church of Hawkwind.... there's quite a variety of sounds they've explored over the years, and they do all of them very well! I like the early 70's Hawkwind too, but trust me, I'm not compromising my taste in any way when I listen to the records from the 80's and 90's! I think they're just as great, just in different ways! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Mon Jun 19 19:55:21 2000 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:55:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 00:15 Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete >> PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be >> dangerous?" Just curious. > >My favourite HW album of the '90s. But I think I'm in a minority here... > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > An ever growing one. Its my favourite post '76 Album Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 19 21:12:12 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:12:12 PDT Subject: Angels Of Death Message-ID: Yep Larry. You are right. It IS you that I think is an idiot. You hit the nail on the head BABY! You are a reactionary, emotional, know it all jerk! Your posts are nonsensical, intelligible hieroglyphics. But I guess that you think they are cool. I have never said it, but last year at Strange Daze, I saw your band Das Ludicroix. I liked the entire band, except the drummer. I thought the drummer tried to contort all of the really cool jazzy space jams into some type of heavy metal beat. He had no idea of how to play in the pocket or set the groove for improvisation. I was talking to a friend, who was also watching and listening and he agreed. And then he said the funny thing is, it's the drummer's band. Later, I found out the drummer is you! I have kept my mouth and my opinion to myself, until now. When you sent me your little hate letter, you asked me if I ever had gotten paid for any of my writing.... because YOU have! Well, YES I have. I actually have some poetry that has been published. My favorite is one called "Man Without A Face". But.... WHO CARES! I am replying to all your little childish crap in front everyone, because you put the old block sender on me months ago. Sorry everyone else. Some of you are not much better. I posted the Spacerock Glossary topic and not one of you posted anything of intelligence in response. I am certain that it was very clear what I was suggesting. It seemed to be "ON" topic to me. Much more on topic than Britney Spears. I also sent a post, requesting information regarding the Griffin - Quark, Strangeness and Charm release. I specially asked if there were any differences in the sound quality between the Virgin CD release and the Griffin CD release. Nobody responded to that AT ALL. After people kept arguing about Glastonbury '90, I posted a review of that release and solved the argument. I have posted tour dates for bands of concern. I just posted the most recent dates for The Brain Surgeons Tour w/ addresses and phone numbers to the venues. I just provided my BOC 5/18/00 DAT to CD-R discs to Brad as a seed for a tree for ALL of the BOC fans on the list. I made that offer the day that I got the discs. I sent Brad my only copies and I had not really even had time to enjoy them yet. I did it for you guys! What has your buddy DASLUD done? Can you even read it? If you all would rather see DASLUD's pointless little attempts at being cute than someone that is trying to make a positive contribution, that's fine by me! ANGELS OF DEATH We're angels of life, we're angels of death We are born to blaze a nuclear way through space A way out of the waste that held the human race We're angels of life, we're angels of death We are the DEAD who are never led We are the warriors at the edge of time We lurk inside your brain, hide inside your minds We're angels of life, we're angels of death We stalk the city streets to kill all you meet Nostrils flare awhile, it makes you want to smile We're born to erase, all of your days All of your days ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 19 21:32:52 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:32:52 -0700 Subject: OFF: reccomendations? Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:21:07 -0700, "John H. McCartney" queried: >I'd appreciate if someone could give me some reccomendations on what >to pickup from the following bands. Some I'm heard tracks by on various >'tribute' albums, others I've just heard about over the years. > >Controlled Bleeding >Coil >Nurse With Wound If you haven't heard Throbbing Gristle, you should check them out before the above 3 bands. Peter Christopherson, founder of Coil, was a member, as were Genesis P. Orridge (Psychic TV) and Chris (Carter, no relation to the X-Files guy!) & Cosey (Fanni Tutti), and they were a huge influence on the other two bands. They were also Hawkwind fans way back when. Then, after you do, you should buy every album on the (infamous) Nurse With Wound "list". >Swans This band went through a number of changes, so I couldn't really make a definitive recommendation. I prefer(red) them at their mid-80s heaviest, when they were probably the (sonically) ugliest band in the world. Their later stuff sounds more like goth chamber music to me. >Alien Planetscapes Do they have more than one CD out yet? It's a good one, go for it! >Chrome ... to which Bob Lennon , on Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:38:32 EDT replied: >"Half Machine Lip Moves" >or >"Red Exposure" > are both great starting points for Chrome. Hopefully, the 'Half Machine Lip Moves' / 'Alien Planetscapes' (the album, not the band!) twofer CD on Touch & Go is still available. I'd highly recommend that one (although HMLM is by far the more essential album). Bob's also apparently too modest to recommend the Chrome box triple-CD on Cleopatra (WHO ARE PURE SLIME FOR CHOPPING OFF THE END OF "ROBOT" - F*CK*RS!!!), since he compiled & wrote the liner notes for that one ;^). Although there are a couple of (IMHO) glaring omissions that I've already whined to him about, it is as complete a collection of prime (Helios Creed) era Chrome as you could imagine, and very reasonably-priced for 3 CD's, sticker, mini-poster, informative booklet, etc. >For my taste, it's best to avoid any Chrome released after 1983 (after Helios >Creed left the band) I strongly second this opinion. The recent reunion with the ever-present Tommy Grenas filling in for the departed Damon Edge isn't bad, but definitely start with the band's "real" work. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jun 19 20:49:21 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:49:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: reccomendations? Message-ID: Doug P'ed... >>Alien Planetscapes > >Do they have more than one CD out yet? It's a good one, go for it! No, not officially. Doug has done some CD-R's of some old stuff, which made the rounds in some circles, but 'Victims of the Blacklist' has never materialized to date. Doug has just been in the hospital again with heart problems, so who knows what AP activity will be happening in the near future. We have Life on Earth at www.aural-innovations.com, and I'm sure Andy Gee has it in the UK. The Mars duo mat'l (debuted at Quarkstock) will likely be first if anything. >>Chrome > >... to which Bob Lennon , on Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:38:32 >EDT replied: >>"Half Machine Lip Moves" >>or >>"Red Exposure" >> are both great starting points for Chrome. > >Hopefully, the 'Half Machine Lip Moves' / 'Alien Planetscapes' (the album, >not the band!) twofer CD on Touch & Go is still available. I'd highly >recommend that one (although HMLM is by far the more essential album). I've got it, though I thought the other album was Alien Soundtracks. And I like that half of the disc quite a bit more than HMLM. >>For my taste, it's best to avoid any Chrome released after 1983 (after Helios >>Creed left the band) > >I strongly second this opinion. The recent reunion with the ever-present >Tommy Grenas filling in for the departed Damon Edge isn't bad, but >definitely start with the band's "real" work. Grakkl (FAA) From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jun 19 22:11:59 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:41:59 +0930 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete Message-ID: I'd like to add my 2 cents here - Xenon Codex is a beautiful album i've had the cassette now for many years ( getting the cd when I can soon) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ductor, Dan [NEUUS] To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete > I also agree. I've always felt that Xenon Codex was an underrated album. > Sword of the East is > a great song. > > Dr. Dan > > PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be > dangerous?" Just curious. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lennon [SMTP:Hawkwinder at AOL.COM] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:42 PM > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont > read this/delete > > Andy, > You are correct sir! > I've never considered Xenon Codex anything less than brilliant. > bob > > In a message dated 6/19/00 11:07:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: > > > .......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums > behind in the > > '70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' > lately? Go > > ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a > real > > Hawkwind album. > > Enough - supper's ready........ > > Andy Garibaldi > > > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jun 19 22:12:37 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:42:37 +0930 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete Message-ID: Ill buy that one soon and let you know ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:44 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete > > PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be > > dangerous?" Just curious. > > My favourite HW album of the '90s. But I think I'm in a minority here... > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jun 19 22:04:45 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:04:45 -0400 Subject: HW new vs old etc. In-Reply-To: <001301bfda47$075c83e0$a26040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: At 06:35 PM 6/19/00 -0500, flossbac wrote: >> I also agree. I've always felt that Xenon Codex was an underrated album. >> Sword of the East is >> a great song. >> >> Dr. Dan >> >> PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be >> dangerous?" Just curious. > >IITBOTFTBD is a great album, definitely a favorite. Generally the opinion I've gotten from this list is that it is not very popular here. It holds a certain place for me as it was the first hawkwind album I ever picked up. As I put it, I "gave them another chance" and managed to overcome my initial impression. Since then, well... I like Camera a lot. The rest I find harmless enough ambience, except perhaps Techno Tropic Zone and the cover of Gimme Shelter which I don't care for. I think at the time it was viewed as a target of certain phases the hawks were going through, white zone trend and all... Now, the follow up, "The Business Trip", stands amongst my all-time favorite hawkwind albums. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jun 19 22:36:10 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:36:10 -0400 Subject: The Brain Surgeons Tour Dates Message-ID: Darrin McKeehen wrote: > The Brain Surgeons Tour Dates > > Friday June 23 Manitoba's, 99 Ave, B, NYC > Tuesday July 18 Mohawk Place 47 E. Mohawk St., Buffalo, NY 14203 > (716)855-3931 (716)-855-3937 > Thursday July 20 Howard's Club H 210 N. Main St., Bowling Green, OH 43402 > (419)352-9951 > Friday July 21 I-Rock, 16350 Harper Ave., Detroit, MI., 48224 (313) 881-7625 > (313)-881-7425 > Saturday July 22 Subterranean 2011 West North Avenue, Chicago, IL 60647 > (773) -278-6600 > Sunday July 23 TBA, Kalamazoo MI No Longer. That's at Peppers 1336 Ravine Rd, Kalamazoo, MI 49004-3500 (616) 345-2304 > > Saturday Aug 5 Jaxx, 6355 Rolling Road, West Springfield, VA 22152 > (703)-569-5940 > Sunday Aug 6 Cary Street Cafe, 2631 W. Cary Street, Richmond, VA 23220 > (804)353-7445 > Wednesday Aug 9 Somber Reptile Lizard Lounge, 842 Marietta St. NW Atlanta, > GA 30318 (404) 881-9701 > Thursday Aug 10 The Lizard Lounge, 1407 Market St Chattanooga TN > (423)756-9599 > Friday Aug 11 TBA, Nashville TN > Saturday Aug 12 Misty Mountain Cafe, 4800 Monroe Road, Charlotte NC 28203 > (704) -566-0479 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Thanks, I'll be posting more about this as we go. Al From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Mon Jun 19 23:10:43 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:40:43 +0930 Subject: new guy on the block Message-ID: Hi, Please read me....... its a fairly long email but worth a read! I have just recently hooked up here and don't know my way around too well. I live in South Australia. It was great to get a chance to ask Dave Brock some questions recently and receive a reply. I have been a HAWKWIND fan since 1987. I find the music to be extremely inspiring when I paint and the occasional trips I have had in my life have always been accompanied by the cool sounds of hawkwind. I would like to ask Dave Brock now what his vision of Hawkwind is for the future? I would really like to know and being a fan, offer my support to help achieve those goals. I feel that this forum has a lot of potential to do much good for the band and so it should. And anyone out there who says he or she is a FAN of hawkwind should join in. My feelings are as follows: Hawkwind of the past, members, projects and the music is brilliant and shall always be remembered and enjoyed as such. But it is the Hawkwind of TODAY & the future that is what should be focused on NOW. >From what I have read it is DAVE BROCK who has spent TIME & ENERGY & his own MONEY keeping the Hawk flying. That's dedication. So are we fans of Hawkwind or fans of a few songs or albums. I feel the creativity and beauty in every hawkwind album - or any other band for that matter. I want to see Hawkwind of the now & future thrive to its ultimate - and so it should! Lets use this forum for the benefit of the band - for example keeping all informed of upcoming events etc When those events are upcoming lets promote them in every way we possibly can whether its by word of mouth - emails - putting announcements in local papers - putting up posters (in a legal manner - don't want to get the band in the shit) for said upcoming events. Or even just submitting ideas to others on ways to contribute. After all - for all Hawkwind has given us and everything Dave has done - don't we owe them something in return? Yes we bought the albums but we got the music. Yes we went to the concerts - but we got the show. I am urging all true Hawkwind fans here to rally and BRAINSTORM through this forum, together. One day, it is inevitable, Hawkwind will not be around. But I believe that with Dave Brocks dedication and some of our own that day will be far far away in the future. Sincerely Michael Blackman A, fellow, TRUE HAWKFAN. Looking forward to all your comments and or feelings on this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Mon Jun 19 23:22:14 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:22:14 -0500 Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates Message-ID: Not sure if these have been posted yet. Jerry Richards, Richard Chadwick, Harvey Bainbridge, Steve Hayes, Steve Taylor, and the Solar Fire Lightshow. 7/26 Milwaukee - shank hall 7/27 Minneapolis - 7th street entry, $8.00 in advance $10 at door 7/28 TBA maybe madison 7/29 Lansing, IL JJ Kellys TBA Philly TBA NY,NY TBA Washington DC 7/27 will be webcast, anybody who needs advance tickets for the 7/27 show let me know I can get them to you. From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Tue Jun 20 00:50:38 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:50:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Hey all, You might remember me mentioning a while back that Cerisano (now going by as simply Joe) had released a solo album (available at CDNow). Well, I found some more information about him at The Orchard (where they mention his gigs with BOC & Trans Siberian Orchestra !) : http://www.theorchard.com/showartist.cfm?artist_id=cer5&genre_id=1 And hey, what do you know, he even has his own website : http://www.cerisano.com As for his album, it's called "Carbon Coby" and I just got my copy today from CDNow... It's, uh, interesting :-) It starts off as rock, but the deeper you move into the album, the more it sounds like country. It reminded me a lot of John Mellencamp, actually -- no, I'm not saying Mellencamp is a country singer :-) but he does have that influence there. In fact, I remember seeing some of his videos on CMT, sooo... Anyway, I think Cerisano sounds slightly more country than Mellencamp does, but hey, he's still got the voice, I'm tellin' ya ! Heheh. Alex. --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Jun 20 01:44:40 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:44:40 +0200 Subject: AW: HW: Glastonbury triple for swap/sale Message-ID: Hi >P.S. Bernhard - does that mean you successfully got that complete copy? Yessss! Thanks again very much for your help Doug! Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jun 20 02:59:07 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:59:07 -0600 Subject: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: I love Heinlein, His Future History books are great, IMHO!! I enjoyed the RAMA game. Rather neat concept there! I still haven't read all the books, but I'm going to order them soon. I enjoy most science fiction, and lots of fantasy; ya know, the go on the quest to save the world from the evil dude types with lots of sword & outragous sorcey thrown in!! Rock on! Pam > > > btw: did someone had the chance to play the PC game based on CLARKES RAMA > books ? > A great one! > > Bernhard -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace In case anyone doesn`t know, The new Moorcock book 'King Of The City' has loads of Hawkwind/Calvert/related references (and I`m not even halfway through it yet). It`s semi-autobiographic. I`m finding pretty heavy going personally. It`s a bit slow to say the least but it talks about his realtionship with Calvert and stuff. Si -------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File -REAL NEW ADDRESS! NOW SEARCHABLE! http://www.alicecoopertrivia.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tindex.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 03:47:51 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:47:51 EDT Subject: OFF/OFF/OFF: Angels Of Ennui -_- Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 9:13:50 PM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << <> == not because _you_ say so. i don't get the 'reaxionary' part, though. why? because i prefer the 'lemmy era' of hawkwind? == <> == fortunately, you're not my 12-grade literature teacher., who gave me an "A". nyah nyah. mistuh theo, suh, do you think this fellow ever read CREEM when it was cool? this one thinks not. == <> === [laughing] oh and arent i simply crushed that you should think so. _crushed_, i tell you! twerent nothin' "cool jazzy" about what we did that day. i got de tapes, genius. that's not the point of what we do/did, anyway. to learn 2 decades down the road that i have 'no idea how to play in the pocket or set the groove for improvisation'...man oh man. where's the hemlock? what's "in the pocket" mean, anyway? [laughs] === <> == yeah yeah, i remember; i was responding to this condescending "chat group 101" letter, where the wizened sage presumed to pat me on the head and show me how it's done. i had two medical appts. that day and came home to _that_. yeesh. not bloody likely. this from someone who b*itched about purchasing a money order, because he _didnt know how_. this from someone who tells folx [not just moi] what to do/how to act at a chat group and _still_ routinely botches 'subject title protocol.' == <> == who indeed, mr. published poet? should i have worded the question "...paid more than _once_?" == <> == this from the stoneless one himself, who will now proceed to b*tch at some of y'all too. == <> == and he who determines 'intelligence' around here was _not_ amused. poor little britney got bonked on the head one day.....just _dripping_ with socio-cultural import...twas a joke, which more than a couple folx appeared to get....and i was corresponding this afternoon with one of them who _didnt_ get it. but hey, i managed to put "off" in my subject title, sparing many from having to endure the ignominy of li'l britney's bonk on the head. unlike certain individuals who begin their _flames_ with hawkwind song titles in the subject title. == <> == for shame. where's the hemlock? == <> == y'hear, you unappreciative philistines? y'hear? he did it for YOU! == <> == the at-least-once-published-POET has had a problem all along w/the way i write. and thrice now he's singled out the "<>" sign-off...gawd, whodafuk CARES? but since mr. mckeehen wont be reading posts from me anymore..... == <> == this is _straight_ outta junior high school, from which i graduated 29 summers ago...yeesh. BOC-L is not a popularity contest, nor is it mckeehen's assignment to judge what of mine is 'cute', much less its degree of 'pointfulness'. and if you _rabble_ dont adequately appreciate [or is that 'genuflect to'] mr. mckeehen's 'positive contributions'...just you wait. you'll see. he'll show _you_. you'll miss him when he's gone. == [insert heavy sigh] tuesday 0341 edt "<>" From CultJacket at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 04:02:51 2000 From: CultJacket at AOL.COM (Chris Martin) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:02:51 -0400 Subject: BOC Photo's 1973 Message-ID: Great BOC Photos from Aug 1973 at http://fortunecity.zing.com/album/?id=4294181861 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 04:06:47 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:06:47 EDT Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 6:21:40 PM, scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: << Swans >> ======= early swans make flipper (i loved 'em) sound like beethoven... heading for the hills... "<>" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 20 04:50:13 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:50:13 +0100 Subject: HW: King Of The City In-Reply-To: <00bb01bfda8a$c38cf480$0100a8c0@cableinet.co.uk> Message-ID: I know what you mean - I was really enjoying it, but I found I had to take a deep breath before starting each new chapter! So I put it aside in favour of a crime thriller and a bande dessinnee or two... But I'm sure the effort to finish it will be rewarding. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 20 05:32:42 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:32:42 +0100 Subject: OFF/OFF/OFF: Angels Of Ennui -_- In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > fortunately, you're not my 12-grade literature teacher., who gave > me an "A". Bloody hell, Larry, you were an A student? What went wrong? -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 20 05:48:43 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:48:43 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:16:51 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > Hi, > > M Holmes wrote: > > >Some scientists do write good SF. Just look at Robert Forward's stuff > >for example. > > That's right, of course. I just wanted to say that _that_ particular > scientist isn't the best author in the history of SF. > > >Best read "The Star Fraction" before that one since some of the > >characters reappear, and their android replicas really are playing up > >again. > > Thanks for the recommendation. A quick outline for the others: Ken writes what you might call political hard speculative fiction. He's pretty knowledgable on the various strands of international politics of the left but also very interested in anarchocapitalism. The Star Fraction is set in the not too distant future when the UK has had a socialist revolution which was quashed by the UN with the Hanoverian regime being restored. However, in this settlement, each political faction has been assigned its own area. Greens rule most of central England; socialist revolutionaries most of northern Scotland, and various factions own parts of the south, including the anarchocapitalist Space and Freedom Party who own North London Town. The plot involves the meeting of a mercenary from a socialist collective, and his very smart gun; a hacker refugee from a religious commune; a woman doing illegal research into smart drugs; and an illegal AI which is planning the next socialist revolution and is on the run from the Turing Police and the UN. The chapter titles, such as The Fifth Colour Country (I'll explain it if you like), are the sort of jokes beloved of political hacks and computer geeks. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 20 05:57:42 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:57:42 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:29:55 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > The first Rama book was great IMHO and it really deserved its Hugo and > Nebula Awards. But the last three don't have the same sense of wonder the > first one had. I hated the tech being inconsistent with what the first mission had seen, and the plodding plot with politically correct characters. > Asimov is great and the Foundation-series rightfully belongs into the Hall > of Fame of SF-literature, but I can't stand Heinlein. His > pseudo-philosophical ("Starship Troopers" is the best example) babble and > his right-wing-propaganda spoils most of his books for me. Tch tch. Heinlein is a libertarian, not a right winger, as his "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" clearly indicates (besides, how could you hate a book with a subversive AI called Mike Holmes?). I'd concur that some of the philosophy in ST is almost sophomoric and certainly detracts from the plot. > The best SF-books ever written IMHO are the "Dune" Chronicles by Frank > Herbert Some of them anyway. God Emperor of Dune was almost a testament to philosophic witterings spoiling a novel. Things didn't really improve until Chapter House Dune, and then the bugger died. > and a lot of Roger Zelaznys work, especially "Lord of Light". Same problem as Clarke there. The first Amber books were great (except the fifth anyway) but with the second series, he handed outlines to his stable of writers and we had a relatively consistent magical tech destroyed by their constantly inventing new magics. His Sandow books, LoL, Damnation Alley, and Doorways in the Sand were good, and Today We Choose Faces was excellent as were a goodly number of his short stories. I reckon the first Amber series, and Stableford's Grainger series are still my favourite SF sagas. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 06:00:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:00:34 EDT Subject: OFF/OFF/OFF: Angels Of Ennui -_- Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/00 5:33:08 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: << Bloody hell, Larry, you were an A student? What went wrong? >> ======= oh, any number of things, sir..... wasnt implying i was an "A student" in general, though; just got A's in literature. heh. "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 20 06:12:03 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:12:03 +0100 Subject: Further question for Brock In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: ANDREW GARIBALDI writes: > Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! Heahw! Heahw! > This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with his > merry band of men. Now there's a though: have 'em all on in Robin Hood garb - Blake's Seven style! > > In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the > Brock Q > & A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my > part, it would > appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, > like some people, and that > he still has a vision of Hawkwind > progressing into the future, albeit > perhaps not what many of you out > thwere particulalry want but for which he > hopes you will give him > the time of day. Sure. What I've been wondering is why Hawkwind aren't moving to the Net in a much bigger way. It's pretty clear to those who follow tech and economics (well OK, most people don't think economics is recreational reading) that a big effect of the Web is disintermediation of certain business functions. It's clear that it's already hitting book distributors, pornography distributors and stockbrokers very hard indeed. All of them have either had to drop prices, improve service, get online, or go out of business. This is also starting to hit the music business, particularly with the rise of Napster and it's more anarchic descendents, and the biz is going to have to react in much the same ways as those above. Just as publishers could market directly to book buyers via the web (which is why I suspect Amazon are concentrating cash on warehousing and delivery infrastructure) and disintermediate bookstores, bands can disintermediate a lot of the music business and deliver directly to fans with a mimimum of distribution effort via the web. What's left for the biz in the end may simply be promotion, tour organisation, and a review service so that people knwo what they want to hear. Given Hawkwind's history fighting crap from the music business and current cashflow problems, perhaps Facing The Future would be to embrace the tech and kick the music business in the goolies at the same time. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 20 06:17:14 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:17:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sci-Fi Authors (was: Re: Clarke's SF books) In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:18:33 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > Rudy Rucker, a mathematics professor at San Jose State University, is a > favorite of mine. Supposedly his academic math writings are very good, > too, but his science fiction has lots of great ideas and a fantastic sense > of humor. His "-ware" series takes the "I, Robot" concept(s) to several > new levels ... I loved the ice cream van slurping from people's brains to organise an upload. > One of the things I liked the most about the 'Starship Troopers' movie > was the way it smirkingly-ridiculed Heinlein's right-wing views with > its' way-over-the-top "friendly fascism". Possibly one of the best > "B" movies based on "pulp" sci-fi ever made ... I'm not sure you have the right take on that. Sure the philosophy in the book was ponderous in the extreme, but it was "right-wing" in the libertarian rather than fascistic sense at bottom. look at the soldier's father who opposed the military politics of the society: he was still rich and had status. That hardly indicates a junta. the movie was classic for it's laughing at military bureaucracy though. The way they repeated crowding their dropships even after the first disaster; the attack with no air support; the popguns; and that classic "Pull Pin And Run Away Very Fast" nuke. > I find it ironic that 'Stranger in a Strange Land' became a hippie > bible, since its' situation/ethics are far more 50's 'Playboy' than > truly "free" love (if there is/ever was such a thing). People I knew > who met him later in his life said that he was the ultimate "dirty old > man". I'd go with that. > -Doug FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 20 07:23:57 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:23:57 +0100 Subject: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006200957.KAA25720@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > > The first Rama book was great IMHO and it really deserved its Hugo and > > Nebula Awards. But the last three don't have the same sense of > wonder the > > first one had. > > I hated the tech being inconsistent with what the first mission had > seen, and the plodding plot with politically correct characters. I have to back Dave on this one - I really enjoyed the original RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA as a teenager, and on a whim picked up RAMA II in a book sale not long ago, for 50p maybe. Waste of 50p. Unreadable shite. Then again, I haven't been back to the original since. ;) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 08:14:08 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:14:08 EDT Subject: Further question for Brock Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/00 6:12:38 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, > like some people, >> ===== no no, i've _really_ had too much fun today, already. but as i've said here at various times, the 'lemmy years' remains my favorite hawkera, to the exclusion of much of what has ensued, i'd suggest that has little to do w/being 'stuck in the '70s'. because i dunno bout y'all, but i didnt have much fun _at all_ in the '70s, and i well know that hawkwind could never again be "that trash you listen to", in the words of me stepmom. and both "that trash", y yo tambien, couldnt help but be better off because of the '70s being far in the rearview mirror. that deep purple is still slogging around out there, w/new material even, doesnt make their fans who may prefer their early '70s material w/blackmore 'stuck in the 70s'. does it? === kudos to mr. brock for his perseverance. better hawkwind than plenty others. welcome to the double-oughts! "<>" From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 20 08:39:41 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:39:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Joe Satriani (Imaginos) Message-ID: Got a question for Albert regarding working with Joe Satriani on Imaginos. When was Joe brought into the project - was it before or after he recorded some of his first albums (Not of this Earth, Surfing with the Alien)? I realize by the time Imaginos came out, these albums were out, but since most of Imaginos was recorded a few years earlier, I was curious. Also, I'd be curious to know how Joe became involved with the project in the first place - friend of Albert? Sandy? some guy hanging around Columbia's studios? ;-) On a related note, Joe's latest CD, "Engines of Creation" has a feature about it on the Apple Computer website - seems Joe does alot of music work with Macs these days, as I know Albert does as well. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 20 09:06:05 2000 From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firich) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:06:05 GMT Subject: BOC 5/18/00 Tree Message-ID: major bummer: my computer was broken for more than ten days (oh, the horror!), and I missed the message. oops - seems I'll have to wait till the next round. Johnny ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Jun 20 09:21:09 2000 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:21:09 -0400 Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: "John H. McCartney" wrote: > I'd appreciate if someone could give me some reccomendations on what > to pickup from the following bands. Some I'm heard tracks by on various > 'tribute' albums, others I've just heard about over the years. > > Chrome They've had a long career, which means they've gone through some changes over the years. The early days; e.g., _Alien Soundtracks_ and _Half Machine Lip Moves_ are proto-punk. Along about _Red Exposure_ the band pared down to its core of Helios Creed and Damon Edge. Then there was a period where Helios went solo but Edge kept the franchise alive. Then Edge died and Helios assumed the mantel. There's a good box set if you want to splurge with your first purchase, otherwise I'd suggest _Red Exposure_. > > Controlled Bleeding Listen before you buy. A record store that knows my tastes recommended two Controlled Bleeding CDs to me. One I rather liked. The other was a total turn-off. Really sounded like two different bands, so try before you buy. > > Alien Planetscapes Go for it. (-8 If you're on this list, you should love these guys. > > Coil _Music From Hellraiser_ (or some such title, is it _Unreleased Music From Hellraiser_? At any rate the story is the movie studio found this music *too* frightening to use in the movie.) > Swans Another group that's gone through several periods. Michael Gira is the main man, but it's when Jarboe joined the band as a second vocalist that things got really interesting. _Children Of God_ is schizophrenic, varying wildly depending on who is singing. Actually, the variance is of style, not of quality. It's all good, but there's quite a difference between Michael screaming "The sex in your soul will damn you to Hell!" and Jarboe's Nico channellings. _The Burning World_ was produced by Bill Laswell and sounds incredibly commercial (read: well produced (-8) compared to their other albums. Gira hates it, but remember Arthur Lee hated the horns on _Forever Changes_ and Howlin' Wolf didn't like his electric guitar at first either. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 20 09:29:32 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:29:32 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Phew, after reading this list for the past 6 mths or so I thought I wasthe only one who liked any HW post 1979. I too feel Xenon Codex was extremely underrated, and I'm gonna completely stick my neck out know and guide your thoughts to Distant Horizons. What a quality ablum drawing togther many of the themes raised in Space Bandits but reviving some of the Choose your Masques/ Leviatation style of playing. Theres more 'cos this is not just a fall back Album reflecting on past glories the title track Distant Horizons could quite easily feel at home in a nightclub, and IMHO should have been released as a single to raise Hawk awareness. Personally though Reptoid Vision is my favourite track a good old fashion HW rock track. Doc (coming out of my shell) I'd like to add my 2 cents here - Xenon Codex is a beautiful album i've had the cassette now for many years ( getting the cd when I can soon) > I also agree. I've always felt that Xenon Codex was an underrated album. > Sword of the East is > a great song. > > Dr. Dan > > Andy, > You are correct sir! > I've never considered Xenon Codex anything less than brilliant. > bob > > > .......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums > behind in the > > '70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' > lately? Go > > ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a > real > > Hawkwind album. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Jun 20 10:42:23 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:42:23 -0400 Subject: Andrew G's Comments on Off: etc In-Reply-To: <001901bfda19$e5befd80$c85295c1@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Well Said Andrew Mike Habiby > > >Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! >This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with >his merry >band of men. >In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the Brock Q >& A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my part, it would >appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, like some >people, and that >he still has a vision of Hawkwind progressing into the future, albeit >perhaps not what many of you out thwere particulalry want but for which he >hopes you will give him the time of day. >Clearly he sees villains in the stage along the way, but as people fall out >slightly, others fall back in and when push comes to shove he clearly >believes that he is holding the reins on the good ship Hawkwind. >I say three cheers for Dave who, when faced with some of the things that >seem to go on in Camp Hawkwind, it's a wonder that he hasn't given up and >taken his bags with him. >So, we have a whole slew of new music to lok forward to, tours with various >people, maybe even the start of Brock solo outings (or some form). No, >Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his >fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, >but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are >stronger now than at any time since the '70's. >.......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the >'70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go >ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real >Hawkwind album. >Enough - supper's ready........ >Andy Garibaldi > > >> My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" >> ===== >> In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >> >> << >> As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the >same >> person.>> >> ====== >> and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. >> probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen >> yesterday. >> but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. >> this is hardly the first, or second, time. >> >> i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and >> another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group >> too, that day]. >> however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group >and >> _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. >> >> mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. >> >> anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, >> please clobber me off-group. >> >> however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group >mail >> months ago. >> >> and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. >> but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. >> >> "<>" >> larry boyd From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Jun 20 10:54:08 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:54:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <394F163B.888C92A6@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: My dos centavos I have been reading SF since I was in 5th grade, maybe earlier. (38 now) I love the old generation.. Asimov. Clark. Heinlein (especially his hippie dippie days with free love and transdimensionalism). The older gen is great.. but keeping up with the newer authors is more refreshing to me. I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the Bruce Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. Also I am a big Dr. Who fan and am reading the eighth doctor BBC books in order. I have to say 75% are very good and the other 25% just pretty good. It is like seeing a new episode each book. I know some of you are big fans and I can't recommend this series enough. Well just wanted to share what I am reading recently with my esteemed listers. Mike H. ________________________ "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 20 11:02:21 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd rather re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be like if we all liked the same things? Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? :-) Cheers, Rich. > I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their > works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the Bruce > Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to > silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Jun 20 11:36:34 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:36:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <01b001bfdac8$8a0019c0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey Rich, You will love this. I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN novels too. IDIC _ Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Rodenberry got it right long ago. Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose. ________________________ "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:02 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > >Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd rather >re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. >Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? >But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be like if we all >liked the same things? > >Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? > >:-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >> I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their >> works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the >Bruce >> Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to >> silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jun 20 11:55:31 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:55:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: SF books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Michael S. Habiby wrote: :Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books : :My dos centavos : :I have been reading SF since I was in 5th grade, maybe earlier. (38 now) I :love the old generation.. Asimov. Clark. Heinlein (especially his hippie :dippie days with free love and transdimensionalism). The older gen is :great.. but keeping up with the newer authors is more refreshing to me. : :I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their :works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the Bruce :Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to :silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. imho, Jack Chalker's best was the alice in wonderland trilogy. His new(er) books (the two new well world books, priams' lens) have been disappointing. yet more in the "sf folks are reading" thread: I've been addicted to L.E. Modesitt's SF (not his fantasy!) for awhile. He does fairly interesting (imho) work that is .... strongly ecologically focused. His fantasy is ok, with the recluce books being an interesting riff on order/chaos conflict, but the spellsong cycle is just dreadful. I've been dying to get a copy of MM's _King of the City_, but it's not out on this side of the pond yet. I'm also addicted to Robert Holdstock's stuff. very jungian. I'm anxiously awaiting his new one. more addictions: Tim Powers. His _Last Call_ was rather good, and his new one _Declare_ promises to be better than that. It's due in this month. Zelazny. Alas, but I really wish I could look forward to his next one :( :( :(. I mourned his passing. Steve Brust. *great* fluff and very zelaznyan. Alan Dean Foster. guilty pleasure, but I really do enjoy his commonwealth books. ...and his alternate fantasy travel stuff (the ones based on random peoples he's met in his travels...particularly the journey of the catechist books) are quite good. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 20 12:02:25 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:02:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:21 +0100 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd > rather re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's > *that* awful. I'm glad it's not just me. I got through about a third of "The Golden Torc" or something before deciding to read a book by someone who could write, and it's extremely rare for me ever to quit on a book. > Rich. FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 20 11:45:41 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:45:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhh!!!!! Do you dance the masochism tango? :-) Cheers, Rich. ObQuote: "I've died and landed on the planet prog rock!" - Tour Jacket With Detachable Sleeves, HMHB. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael S. Habiby To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > Hey Rich, > > You will love this. > > I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN novels too. > > IDIC _ Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Rodenberry got it right > long ago. > > Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose. > > ________________________ > "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark > to read." Groucho Marx > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:02 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > > > > >Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd rather > >re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. > >Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? > >But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be like if we all > >liked the same things? > > > >Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > >> I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their > >> works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the > >Bruce > >> Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to > >> silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 20 11:20:30 2000 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:20:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Angels of Death Message-ID: Darrin McKeehen: > You are a reactionary, emotional, know it all jerk! [etc. etc.] Please keep it off the list. Me, I ignore posts that are inflammatory, poorly written, or not interesting. Ranting tends to make people reach for the delete key. Mr. Boyd has been posting here long enough that if I see his name, I know I'm not going to get much out of the message if I try to read it. Now I'll be watching for your name too, Mr. McKeehen. -Hogard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 20 13:17:14 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:17:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN novels too. And I used to edit the school magazine! ;) Sorry -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Jun 20 13:29:34 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:29:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NO respect LOL Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Andy Gilham >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:17 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > >> I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN novels too. > >And I used to edit the school magazine! > >;) > >Sorry > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:16:01 2000 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:16:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: ...now, I've always liked the Smiths, circa Queen is Dead and Hatful of Hollow. And The Silmarillion has become my favorite Tolkien--it has a certain scope and grandeur. Don't understand all the slagging that book is getting (it is a harder, more demanding read), though I can certainly appreciate the slagging the Smiths get. As some critic once said, you're perfectly within your rights to hate the Smiths... However, I take it that you mean May is awful. Could you be more specific? If it is poorly written or conceived, then, how so? Thanks, Thomas Richard Lockwood wrote: > Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd rather > re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. > Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? > But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be like if we all > liked the same things? > > Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their > > works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the > Bruce > > Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to > > silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Jun 20 14:31:28 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:31:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: >I'd rather > re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. The Smiths.... definitely among my favorite bands of all time. It would be difficult to think of very many lyricists who are better. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 20 15:27:45 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:27:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: With the talk of HW old and new am I alone in thinking that the Alien cd, tour, and subsequent live release are some of the best material that the band has produced? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Jun 20 15:44:12 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:44:12 -0400 Subject: Alien/Love In Space In-Reply-To: <000b01bfdaed$bfb9ea80$3b26883e@default> Message-ID: Well I sure think Alien 4 is one of the best of that era. I just can't get enough of the CD. Which live release are you referring to in relation to Alien4? Mike H. ________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of david hall Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 2:28 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space With the talk of HW old and new am I alone in thinking that the Alien cd, tour, and subsequent live release are some of the best material that the band has produced? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 15:00:32 2000 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:00:32 EDT Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: In a message dated 6/19/00 5:21:40 PM EST, scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: << S: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! >> How'd it go? Bill From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Tue Jun 20 16:31:46 2000 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:31:46 -0700 Subject: reccomendations? In-Reply-To: <44.4bd9df6.26811950@aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Jun 20, 2000 03:00:32 PM Message-ID: > << S: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! >> I'll second that... I saw T-Lev with the California Guitar Trio (mix of CGT alone, T-Lev alone and both together) and it was incredible.[Nice guys too, signed many items after the show, very friendly] The _Waters of Eden_ band looks like a knock-out too. Check out http://www.papabear.com for tour and album info Bill From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 20 15:03:16 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:03:16 +0100 Subject: new guy on the block Message-ID: Welcome! Your right, spot on. Let's get this volunteer idea kick-started. Dave -----Original Message----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 04:06 Subject: new guy on the block Hi, Please read me....... its a fairly long email but worth a read! I have just recently hooked up here and don't know my way around too well. I live in South Australia. It was great to get a chance to ask Dave Brock some questions recently and receive a reply. I have been a HAWKWIND fan since 1987. I find the music to be extremely inspiring when I paint and the occasional trips I have had in my life have always been accompanied by the cool sounds of hawkwind. I would like to ask Dave Brock now what his vision of Hawkwind is for the future? I would really like to know and being a fan, offer my support to help achieve those goals. I feel that this forum has a lot of potential to do much good for the band and so it should. And anyone out there who says he or she is a FAN of hawkwind should join in. My feelings are as follows: Hawkwind of the past, members, projects and the music is brilliant and shall always be remembered and enjoyed as such. But it is the Hawkwind of TODAY & the future that is what should be focused on NOW. From what I have read it is DAVE BROCK who has spent TIME & ENERGY & his own MONEY keeping the Hawk flying. That's dedication. So are we fans of Hawkwind or fans of a few songs or albums. I feel the creativity and beauty in every hawkwind album - or any other band for that matter. I want to see Hawkwind of the now & future thrive to its ultimate - and so it should! Lets use this forum for the benefit of the band - for example keeping all informed of upcoming events etc When those events are upcoming lets promote them in every way we possibly can whether its by word of mouth - emails - putting announcements in local papers - putting up posters (in a legal manner - don't want to get the band in the shit) for said upcoming events. Or even just submitting ideas to others on ways to contribute. After all - for all Hawkwind has given us and everything Dave has done - don't we owe them something in return? Yes we bought the albums but we got the music. Yes we went to the concerts - but we got the show. I am urging all true Hawkwind fans here to rally and BRAINSTORM through this forum, together. One day, it is inevitable, Hawkwind will not be around. But I believe that with Dave Brocks dedication and some of our own that day will be far far away in the future. Sincerely Michael Blackman A, fellow, TRUE HAWKFAN. Looking forward to all your comments and or feelings on this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Go boy Go! -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 08:47 Subject: OFF/OFF/OFF: Angels Of Ennui -_- In a message dated 6/19/00 9:13:50 PM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << <> == not because _you_ say so. i don't get the 'reaxionary' part, though. why? because i prefer the 'lemmy era' of hawkwind? == <> == fortunately, you're not my 12-grade literature teacher., who gave me an "A". nyah nyah. mistuh theo, suh, do you think this fellow ever read CREEM when it was cool? this one thinks not. == <> === [laughing] oh and arent i simply crushed that you should think so. _crushed_, i tell you! twerent nothin' "cool jazzy" about what we did that day. i got de tapes, genius. that's not the point of what we do/did, anyway. to learn 2 decades down the road that i have 'no idea how to play in the pocket or set the groove for improvisation'...man oh man. where's the hemlock? what's "in the pocket" mean, anyway? [laughs] === <> == yeah yeah, i remember; i was responding to this condescending "chat group 101" letter, where the wizened sage presumed to pat me on the head and show me how it's done. i had two medical appts. that day and came home to _that_. yeesh. not bloody likely. this from someone who b*itched about purchasing a money order, because he _didnt know how_. this from someone who tells folx [not just moi] what to do/how to act at a chat group and _still_ routinely botches 'subject title protocol.' == <> == who indeed, mr. published poet? should i have worded the question "...paid more than _once_?" == <> == this from the stoneless one himself, who will now proceed to b*tch at some of y'all too. == <> == and he who determines 'intelligence' around here was _not_ amused. poor little britney got bonked on the head one day.....just _dripping_ with socio-cultural import...twas a joke, which more than a couple folx appeared to get....and i was corresponding this afternoon with one of them who _didnt_ get it. but hey, i managed to put "off" in my subject title, sparing many from having to endure the ignominy of li'l britney's bonk on the head. unlike certain individuals who begin their _flames_ with hawkwind song titles in the subject title. == <> == for shame. where's the hemlock? == <> == y'hear, you unappreciative philistines? y'hear? he did it for YOU! == <> == the at-least-once-published-POET has had a problem all along w/the way i write. and thrice now he's singled out the "<>" sign-off...gawd, whodafuk CARES? but since mr. mckeehen wont be reading posts from me anymore..... == <> == this is _straight_ outta junior high school, from which i graduated 29 summers ago...yeesh. BOC-L is not a popularity contest, nor is it mckeehen's assignment to judge what of mine is 'cute', much less its degree of 'pointfulness'. and if you _rabble_ dont adequately appreciate [or is that 'genuflect to'] mr. mckeehen's 'positive contributions'...just you wait. you'll see. he'll show _you_. you'll miss him when he's gone. == [insert heavy sigh] tuesday 0341 edt "<>" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 20 17:10:38 2000 From: nigel.kew at VIRGIN.NET (nigel.kew) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:10:38 +0100 Subject: new guy on the block/ RaRa the Hawks Message-ID: Here Here, once again I offer my support in any practical way here in the SouthWest of England Doc -----Original Message----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 04:06 Subject: new guy on the block Hi, Please read me....... its a fairly long email but worth a read! I have just recently hooked up here and don't know my way around too well. I live in South Australia. It was great to get a chance to ask Dave Brock some questions recently and receive a reply. I have been a HAWKWIND fan since 1987. I find the music to be extremely inspiring when I paint and the occasional trips I have had in my life have always been accompanied by the cool sounds of hawkwind. I would like to ask Dave Brock now what his vision of Hawkwind is for the future? I would really like to know and being a fan, offer my support to help achieve those goals. I feel that this forum has a lot of potential to do much good for the band and so it should. And anyone out there who says he or she is a FAN of hawkwind should join in. My feelings are as follows: Hawkwind of the past, members, projects and the music is brilliant and shall always be remembered and enjoyed as such. But it is the Hawkwind of TODAY & the future that is what should be focused on NOW. From what I have read it is DAVE BROCK who has spent TIME & ENERGY & his own MONEY keeping the Hawk flying. That's dedication. So are we fans of Hawkwind or fans of a few songs or albums. I feel the creativity and beauty in every hawkwind album - or any other band for that matter. I want to see Hawkwind of the now & future thrive to its ultimate - and so it should! Lets use this forum for the benefit of the band - for example keeping all informed of upcoming events etc When those events are upcoming lets promote them in every way we possibly can whether its by word of mouth - emails - putting announcements in local papers - putting up posters (in a legal manner - don't want to get the band in the shit) for said upcoming events. Or even just submitting ideas to others on ways to contribute. After all - for all Hawkwind has given us and everything Dave has done - don't we owe them something in return? Yes we bought the albums but we got the music. Yes we went to the concerts - but we got the show. I am urging all true Hawkwind fans here to rally and BRAINSTORM through this forum, together. One day, it is inevitable, Hawkwind will not be around. But I believe that with Dave Brocks dedication and some of our own that day will be far far away in the future. Sincerely Michael Blackman A, fellow, TRUE HAWKFAN. Looking forward to all your comments and or feelings on this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Jun 20 17:47:01 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:47:01 -0400 Subject: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: Alien4 and Love in Space are great. They show that HW are still a great band capable of creating some truly great music. It was too bad that they had to cancel their Los Angeles appearance. After seeing the live video of Love in Space, I'm sure that it was a great show. -----Original Message----- From: david hall [SMTP:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 12:28 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space With the talk of HW old and new am I alone in thinking that the Alien cd, tour, and subsequent live release are some of the best material that the band has produced? Dave From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jun 20 18:38:05 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:38:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Arks (was HW: The Real Undisclosed Files) Message-ID: FoFP wrote: >Brian Halligan writes: > > A while back, my television (trustworthy and thorough news source that > > it is) told me that the Templars had not one, but *five* Arks of the > > Covenent hidden somewhere in Scotland in a castle or somesuch. Now, > > if Hawkwind could just find them we'd have a Hell of a Death Generator > > gig! > > Or, since the TV also said the arks were just primative batteries, > > they could power the mother of all light shows. >That sounds like something out of Erik Von Daniken. I wish I could remember what the show was called. The "reporter" traced the Ark to Ethiopia, where a group claims to have it. Of course, it's in a building that no one can enter save one guardian who is not allowed to ever leave the fenced-in compound for the rest of his life. Then they went into the theory that the Knights Templar had found it in the Holy Land and taken it, and other arks, back to Scotland. Where the aliens who built Stonehenge come into this, I have no idea. ;-) Brian obMovieLine> "I think you will find it is you who are mistaken...about a great many things." Raiders of the Lost Ark ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 20 18:46:27 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:46:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>Well I sure think Alien 4 is one of the best of that era. I just can't get enough of the CD. >Which live release are you referring to in relation to Alien4? LOVE IN SPACE, I'd have thought... ALIEN 4, to my mind, was so nearly a terrific album, but Ron was too undisciplined; his vocals are all over the place. Nevertheless, "Alien I Am" and "Blue Skin" are both really great. There's a sequence of four tracks at the end of the first disc of LOVE IN SPACE, which is as good as anything post-PXR5. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jun 20 18:47:25 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:47:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Alex wrote: >You might remember me mentioning a while back that Cerisano (now going by >as >simply Joe) had released a solo album (available at CDNow). Well, I found >some more information about him at The Orchard (where they mention his gigs >with BOC & Trans Siberian Orchestra !) : I remember thinking when I first heard Imaginos, that Eric's vocal performance on "Siege..." was his best work on the whole album. ;-) Too bad Joey wasn't allowed to sing the whole album. I haven't heard Albert's original versions of the Imaginos tunes, so I can't comment on those, but Cerisano has such powerful pipes I bet he would have brought something special to every tune. (except maybe "In the Presence," I like Eric's smooth delivery on that one.) >As for his album, it's called "Carbon Coby" and I just got my copy today >from CDNow... It's, uh, interesting :-) It starts off as rock, but the >deeper you move into the album, the more it sounds like country. Ah, perfect for "Gil Blanco County!" And I can hear "The Girl Love Made Blind" with a little country boot-scootin' too.... Brian >Alex. > >--------------------------------------------------- >Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com >Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF >- www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) >My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ >--------------------------------------------------- ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Tue Jun 20 18:53:39 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:53:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: I'd like to add Sputnik Stan and Xenomorph. Classic tunes!! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham [SMTP:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 3:46 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Alien/Love In Space >>Well I sure think Alien 4 is one of the best of that era. I just can't get enough of the CD. >Which live release are you referring to in relation to Alien4? LOVE IN SPACE, I'd have thought... ALIEN 4, to my mind, was so nearly a terrific album, but Ron was too undisciplined; his vocals are all over the place. Nevertheless, "Alien I Am" and "Blue Skin" are both really great. There's a sequence of four tracks at the end of the first disc of LOVE IN SPACE, which is as good as anything post-PXR5. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jun 20 18:54:06 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:54:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Photo's 1973 Message-ID: Chris Martin wrote: >Great BOC Photos from Aug 1973 at >http://fortunecity.zing.com/album/?id=4294181861 I like the shot of Buck and Joe together. They're just playing next to each other, right? Was BOC playing 5 Guitars that early on? Brian obSong>Brain Surgeons "Night of the 1,000 Guitars" ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jun 20 19:06:06 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:06:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stuck Purple fans (was Re: Further question for Brock) Message-ID: Daslud wrote: >that deep purple is still slogging around out there, w/new material even, >doesnt make their fans who may prefer their early '70s material w/blackmore >'stuck in the 70s'. >does it? Unless they see nothing wrong with "Lalena" from the third mark 1 album. Maybe back then you could get away with rhyming "Lalena" with "blame ya." On the other hand, if they like "Why Didn't Rosemary?" and "Chasing Shadows" then they just recognize the inherent superiority of those songs to '90s Purple tunes like "King of Dreams" or "Jack Ruby." :-) Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 20 19:18:07 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:18:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy years Message-ID: Hmmmmmm...... isn't musical evolution a wonderful thing? Today's posts reveal that the '70's were incredible years for Hawkwind, but the evolution and morphing processes continued throughout the '80's & '90's and while we all have our favourites and turkeys, it has to be said - Hawkwind are a pretty good group, really (Andy humour). But the guy who 'stuck his neck out to defend 'Distant Horizon' is the one where I weigh in and say that I thought it was extremely flat and largely bereft of ideas, in fact my least fave album. On the subject of 'Xenon Codex' though I would love to have a CD release of the BBC Radio One In Concert hour long broadcast of that tour as it was even better!! Anyway, I could go on, but that's not why I'm here tonight. I got a call this afternoon from the guy organising the following, so here's the info you'll need: On Saturday 15th July at Birkenhead "Stairways", Liverpool, England, there will be a concert from Nik Turner, Terry Ollis, Dikmik, Thomas Crimble and Huw Lloyd-Langton, under the name of (wait for it) 'The Original Hawkwind Reunion Band'. Tickets are ?10 and ?12, available from the venue ( but be warned that getting tickets from the venue by advance phone is apparently not an easy task, but more than that I do not have just yet.) I was told that Dave Brock has been invited to take part, but that is all I was told and I can't vouch for the validity of that statement. That's it. No doubt, more to follow........ CD Services will NOT be selling tickets for this event. Andy Garibaldi. From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM Tue Jun 20 19:16:01 2000 From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:16:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Joe Satriani (Imaginos) Message-ID: John wrote: >On a related note, Joe's latest CD, "Engines of Creation" has a feature >about it on the Apple Computer website - seems Joe does alot of music >work with Macs these days, as I know Albert does as well. So does Buck, right? Which leads me to his and Al's team-up on the Helen Wheels tribute CD. Is the Skeleton Crew playing on the album? Who else will be contributing? And who is engineering and producing it? It would be nice if Paul Special could do it, but I've read that he's been very busy recording other artists. Al, have you and Deborah and Buck taken these jobs on to make sure everything is the way you guys think it should be or have you brought someone to help? I'm really looking forward to hearing the tunes that weren't on Archetype. And especially to hear Al and Buck play together again! Brian ----- Brian Halligan mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com http://www.bhalligan.com/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 20 19:27:51 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:27:51 GMT Subject: OFF: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: >Cerisano has such powerful pipes I bet he would have brought >something special to every tune. (except maybe "In the Presence," >I like Eric's smooth delivery on that one.) Can't fault your opinions on that one bit, but wasn't it Buck who sang _Presence_???? I always thought so, he has curiously angellic tones (perfectly put to use on _Reaper_) which I think are pretty unmistakable.... Chris. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Tue Jun 20 15:51:25 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:51:25 -0000 Subject: Xenon/Distant/Alien Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: OFF: Arks (was HW: The Real Undisclosed Files) > I wish I could remember what the show was called. The "reporter" traced the > Ark to Ethiopia, where a group claims to have it. Of course, it's in a > building that no one can enter save one guardian who is not allowed to ever > leave the fenced-in compound for the rest of his life. Then they went into I remember watching that one. It was quite interesting. Wasn't it members of that community that the Israelis flew in to rescue and take back to Israel during one of the famines a few years ago? I seem to remember it proved disastrous because the community was unable to adapt to Israeli culture. Wonder what happened to them? very off topically jill From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 20 20:01:04 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:01:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Magma gigs in September Message-ID: It's sortof on topic for Hawkwind because way back in the early days Hawkwind and Magma used to go touring together. Anyhow for anyone interested, Magma will be playing in London at the Royal Festival Hall on 20 Sept; Newcastle at the Whitley Bay Dome on 21 Sept; and Glasgow at The Old Fruitmarket on 22 Sept. Caravan, Faust and Gong are also touring (separately) in Oct - Nov. jill Just off to Glastonbury and I'll be all on my own this year 'cos everyone else has decided not to go 8-((( Yours in solitude. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Jun 20 20:59:34 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:59:34 EDT Subject: OFF: Stuck Purple fans (was Re: Further question for Brock) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/20/00 7:08:37 PM, blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM writes: << Maybe back then you could get away with rhyming "Lalena" with "blame ya. >> ===== yee-haw! you couldnt get away w/it _then_, either but that was donovan for you. heh. "<>" From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jun 20 21:45:58 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:45:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Quark Strangness & Charm Message-ID: > > Why did the chicken cross the road? > > > EINSTEIN:Did the chicken really cross the > road or did the road move > beneath the chicken? > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Jun 20 23:18:29 2000 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Erebus) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:18:29 -0700 Subject: Joe Satriani (Imaginos) Message-ID: ---------- > From: John A. Swartz > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: BOC: Joe Satriani (Imaginos) > Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 5:39 AM > On a related note, Joe's latest CD, "Engines of Creation" has a feature > about it on the Apple Computer website - seems Joe does alot of music > work with Macs these days, as I know Albert does as well. > > John > > -- > John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org Another note of relation, Buck uses a Mac too. I heard he used his Mac a lot when recording the Bad Channels score. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jun 20 23:13:30 2000 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert Bouchard) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:13:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Joe Satriani (Imaginos) Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > John wrote: > > >On a related note, Joe's latest CD, "Engines of Creation" has a feature > >about it on the Apple Computer website - seems Joe does alot of music > >work with Macs these days, as I know Albert does as well. > Pearlman brought JS on board Imaginos after I was out of the loop so I have no idea how it happened. He'd already a record out by then I think. > > So does Buck, right? Which leads me to his and Al's team-up on the Helen > Wheels tribute CD. Is the Skeleton Crew playing on the album? Who else will > be contributing? And who is engineering and producing it? It would be nice > if Paul Special could do it, but I've read that he's been very busy > recording other artists. Al, have you and Deborah and Buck taken these jobs > on to make sure everything is the way you guys think it should be or have > you brought someone to help? I'm really looking forward to hearing the > tunes that weren't on Archetype. And especially to hear Al and Buck play > together again! Paul Orfino engineered the live tracks. We'll probably put the songs together in our own home studios and Paul Special has signed on to mix. Skeleton Crew is recording a song upstate that they will submit before the deadline (November) so that we can get this our by January. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jun 20 23:19:51 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:19:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mushroom in SF Message-ID: Hi there... Just a quick announcement of a show tomorrow night in SF, for Doug P. and whoever else is out there on the Bay. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Did Farflung play with Uz Jse Doma at Spaceland, if not SF? And has anybody seen UJD? What are they like? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ tongue & groove this Wednesday night, June 21st the return of Mushroom to the Tongue & Groove on Van Ness Avenue near Union street, San Fran two long sets starting around 9 pm, only $4 to get in the expanded 8 piece Mushroom including Jon Birdsong on trumpet - currently in town for a few days resting up betweens gigs on his worldtour as the horn player for Beck. plus Carroll Ashby on trombone, a rare return of Kurt Statham on bass, John Sanders on keyboards, Josh Pollock on guitar, Pat O Hearn on drums, Erik Pearson on guitar, sax, flute Dave Milhaly on percussion From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jun 21 00:33:14 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:03:14 +0930 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: No you're not alone!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:57 AM Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space With the talk of HW old and new am I alone in thinking that the Alien cd, tour, and subsequent live release are some of the best material that the band has produced? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jun 21 00:39:12 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:09:12 +0930 Subject: new guy on the block Message-ID: Hi dave, I'm glad you feel the same and I hope to hear from more like minded fans. Tell me - when hawkwind organises their tour dates will we get the info asap? It would be great to have some fore warning to organise. All I know at the moment is that Hawkwind will be back in australia january february 2001. I wish I knew more - like which states etc Also, how can I get a reply on the subject from the band - I have emailed at mission control a few times but as yet no reply. Cheers Michael Blackman ----- Original Message ----- From: david hall To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:33 AM Subject: Re: new guy on the block Welcome! Your right, spot on. Let's get this volunteer idea kick-started. Dave -----Original Message----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 04:06 Subject: new guy on the block Hi, Please read me....... its a fairly long email but worth a read! I have just recently hooked up here and don't know my way around too well. I live in South Australia. It was great to get a chance to ask Dave Brock some questions recently and receive a reply. I have been a HAWKWIND fan since 1987. I find the music to be extremely inspiring when I paint and the occasional trips I have had in my life have always been accompanied by the cool sounds of hawkwind. I would like to ask Dave Brock now what his vision of Hawkwind is for the future? I would really like to know and being a fan, offer my support to help achieve those goals. I feel that this forum has a lot of potential to do much good for the band and so it should. And anyone out there who says he or she is a FAN of hawkwind should join in. My feelings are as follows: Hawkwind of the past, members, projects and the music is brilliant and shall always be remembered and enjoyed as such. But it is the Hawkwind of TODAY & the future that is what should be focused on NOW. From what I have read it is DAVE BROCK who has spent TIME & ENERGY & his own MONEY keeping the Hawk flying. That's dedication. So are we fans of Hawkwind or fans of a few songs or albums. I feel the creativity and beauty in every hawkwind album - or any other band for that matter. I want to see Hawkwind of the now & future thrive to its ultimate - and so it should! Lets use this forum for the benefit of the band - for example keeping all informed of upcoming events etc When those events are upcoming lets promote them in every way we possibly can whether its by word of mouth - emails - putting announcements in local papers - putting up posters (in a legal manner - don't want to get the band in the shit) for said upcoming events. Or even just submitting ideas to others on ways to contribute. After all - for all Hawkwind has given us and everything Dave has done - don't we owe them something in return? Yes we bought the albums but we got the music. Yes we went to the concerts - but we got the show. I am urging all true Hawkwind fans here to rally and BRAINSTORM through this forum, together. One day, it is inevitable, Hawkwind will not be around. But I believe that with Dave Brocks dedication and some of our own that day will be far far away in the future. Sincerely Michael Blackman A, fellow, TRUE HAWKFAN. Looking forward to all your comments and or feelings on this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Wed Jun 21 00:40:05 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:10:05 +0930 Subject: new guy on the block/ RaRa the Hawks Message-ID: Cool!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel.kew To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:40 AM Subject: Re: new guy on the block/ RaRa the Hawks Here Here, once again I offer my support in any practical way here in the SouthWest of England Doc -----Original Message----- From: michael blackman To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 04:06 Subject: new guy on the block Hi, Please read me....... its a fairly long email but worth a read! I have just recently hooked up here and don't know my way around too well. I live in South Australia. It was great to get a chance to ask Dave Brock some questions recently and receive a reply. I have been a HAWKWIND fan since 1987. I find the music to be extremely inspiring when I paint and the occasional trips I have had in my life have always been accompanied by the cool sounds of hawkwind. I would like to ask Dave Brock now what his vision of Hawkwind is for the future? I would really like to know and being a fan, offer my support to help achieve those goals. I feel that this forum has a lot of potential to do much good for the band and so it should. And anyone out there who says he or she is a FAN of hawkwind should join in. My feelings are as follows: Hawkwind of the past, members, projects and the music is brilliant and shall always be remembered and enjoyed as such. But it is the Hawkwind of TODAY & the future that is what should be focused on NOW. From what I have read it is DAVE BROCK who has spent TIME & ENERGY & his own MONEY keeping the Hawk flying. That's dedication. So are we fans of Hawkwind or fans of a few songs or albums. I feel the creativity and beauty in every hawkwind album - or any other band for that matter. I want to see Hawkwind of the now & future thrive to its ultimate - and so it should! Lets use this forum for the benefit of the band - for example keeping all informed of upcoming events etc When those events are upcoming lets promote them in every way we possibly can whether its by word of mouth - emails - putting announcements in local papers - putting up posters (in a legal manner - don't want to get the band in the shit) for said upcoming events. Or even just submitting ideas to others on ways to contribute. After all - for all Hawkwind has given us and everything Dave has done - don't we owe them something in return? Yes we bought the albums but we got the music. Yes we went to the concerts - but we got the show. I am urging all true Hawkwind fans here to rally and BRAINSTORM through this forum, together. One day, it is inevitable, Hawkwind will not be around. But I believe that with Dave Brocks dedication and some of our own that day will be far far away in the future. Sincerely Michael Blackman A, fellow, TRUE HAWKFAN. Looking forward to all your comments and or feelings on this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jun 21 00:43:38 2000 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:43:38 EDT Subject: Imaginos vocals Message-ID: In a message dated 06/20/2000 7:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Can't fault your opinions on that one bit, but wasn't it Buck who sang _Presence_???? I always thought so, he has curiously angellic tones (perfectly put to use on _Reaper_) which I think are pretty unmistakable.... Chris. >> Donald Roeser does indeed have a smooth voice that is distinctly different from Eric Bloom's typically gruff one. But it's clearly Bloom who sings Presence (and I Am the One You Warned Me Of and Del Rio's Song) on Imaginos. Roeser sings Les Invisibles, Astronomy, and Magna of Illusion. Albert Bouchard sings Subhuman (er, "Blue Oyster Cult" :-), Joey Cerisano sings Frankenstein, and Jon Rogers sings Imaginos. Steven Tice From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Jun 21 02:42:22 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:42:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Mushroom in SF Message-ID: > P.S. Did Farflung play with Uz Jse Doma at Spaceland, if not SF? And has > anybody seen UJD? What are they like? I'd like to know too. They are playing here tomorrow in the same club as the Legendary Pink Dots, but at the same time, so I can only see one of them. I'll probably see the dots I guess. Also tomorrow night you can catch Skye Klad in Minneapolis at the nicollet island pavillion at 7pm for free. Should be quite a night. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 21 04:02:04 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:02:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: Oh no - don't get me started now... :-) (wanders off muttering words like 'crucifixion' and 'boiling human excrement') ;-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: flossbac To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > >I'd rather > > re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* > awful. > > > The Smiths.... definitely among my favorite bands of all time. It would be > difficult to think of very many lyricists who are better. > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 21 04:05:25 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:05:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Clarke's SF books Message-ID: > ....now, I've always liked the Smiths, circa Queen is Dead and Hatful of Hollow. > And The Silmarillion has become my favorite Tolkien--it has a certain scope and > grandeur. Don't understand all the slagging that book is getting (it is a > harder, more demanding read), though I can certainly appreciate the slagging > the Smiths get. As some critic once said, you're perfectly within your rights > to hate the Smiths... > > However, I take it that you mean May is awful. Could you be more specific? If > it is poorly written or conceived, then, how so? I tried to like her - I really did, but when her books are so badly written, inconsistant and aspire to that ghastly concept, the 'fantasy epic' (ah - and just very dull), it's difficult. Mind you, it was a long time ago - maybe I'll try again. And I like that critic - who was it? :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 21 04:27:57 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:27:57 +0100 Subject: Fw: Your Glam Name Message-ID: Hot (well, not really hot) on the heels of "Your Wu-name" comes "Your Glam Name". At http://qix.lm.com/cgi-bin/fun/glamname.pl Cheers, Pyrite Hot'lude __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed Jun 21 06:26:18 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:26:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Reading Material Message-ID: Just thought I'd chuck my 'penn'orth in. I wish I had the patience of some of this groups members, I read The Hobbit when I was about 10 or 11, followed by all of JRRT's work over a couple of years, one book I never managed was The Silmarillion tho', IIRC it was completed by his son after his death ?, from a fairly vast collection of notes, it just didn't work for me tho'. I've read most of McCaffery's works but gave up with the PERN works after about 6 books, they started to become commercial to my mind, in that there was little new work, just filling in more history for the sake of a sale. She's done this with other books, notably Crystal Singer, although i beleive she stopped at three in that instance. I've refrained from joining in the various posts about who likes what etc. As many of us have said it's a matter of personal taste, and I've never felt qualified enough to 'critique' any author well enough to post. I think over the years my taste like most peoples has changed, along with other members of the group I gave up on Asimov and Clarke years ago, I never could get on with most of Heinlen's (sp) work, I hated Greg Bear but forced myself to read it having bought it, then gave it away to a guy on Fidonet. I wonder how many of us started off reading 'pulp' novellas by the likes of EE Doc Smith and progressed to lengthier tomes by the likes of Asimov, then after a few years found ourselves reading material which in many cases was a rehash of some other authors works, thus we diversified and even moved away from mainstream Sci-Fi in an attempt to discover 'new horizons' (pun). I find now that I read more fantasy than fiction, Gemmell mainly, but even he is falling into the McCaffery trap. Ah well, enough inane chatter, back to work for me . . . Mark (Hasbeen) mark at esparto.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ END MESSAGE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed Jun 21 06:34:56 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:34:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Volunteers ! Message-ID: If DB needs someone to paste posters in Derby, I'm sure there isn't only me who'd go for it. Surely Dave would be happy to approach Mr Dibs for point North of Derby to cover, not speaking for Dibs here you understand but hell, he worked with Dave plenty ... I for one would be more than willing to put some effort in if it was required. Just tell me where and when, oh and BTW I work at a printing company, we produce B/W only in-house and it's all cut-sheet stock, but if DB needs work reproduced at up to 11 x 17 just let me know. TTFN, Mark (Hasbeen) mark at esparto.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ END MESSAGE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 21 06:57:25 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:57:25 GMT Subject: Imaginos vocals Message-ID: Steven Tice corrects: >Donald Roeser does indeed have a smooth voice that is distinctly >different from Eric Bloom's typically gruff one. But it's clearly >Bloom who sings Presence. I stand corrected. I didn't believe you so I just stuck on the CD and maybe you're right....;-> There's a chorus effect on Eric's voice on Presence which reminds me of Buck's natural, er, plaintiveness. But there you go. I'm off for ear replacement surgery now, so don't wait up! Chris. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 21 07:21:31 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:21:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Reading Material In-Reply-To: Mark Lee's message of Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:26:18 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Lee writes: > I've refrained from joining in the various posts about who likes what > etc. As many of us have said it's a matter of personal taste, and I've > never felt qualified enough to 'critique' any author well enough to post. I can relate to the view that it's unfair to criticise writing if you haven't done it, but I figure once you've read a few hundred SF books then it's fair to criticise some by comparison against the general standards. > I think over the years my taste like most peoples has changed, along > with other members of the group I gave up on Asimov and Clarke years > ago, I never could get on with most of Heinlen's (sp) work, I hated > Greg Bear but forced myself to read it having bought it, then gave it > away to a guy on Fidonet. I wonder how many of us started off reading > 'pulp' novellas by the likes of EE Doc Smith and progressed to > lengthier tomes by the likes of Asimov, then after a few years found > ourselves reading material which in many cases was a rehash of some > other authors works, thus we diversified and even moved away from > mainstream Sci-Fi in an attempt to discover 'new horizons' (pun). I started out reading Clarke's kids books and some of the Tom Swift ones, plus any astronomy book I could get my hands on. Later, by age 10, I'd wangled access to the grownups section of the library and started making my way through the SF and science books (plus the James Bond books). That had stuff like Knight, Sheckley, Aldiss, Clement, Clarke, Disch, Moorcock, Brunner, Heinlein - a good sample of the Golden Age and 60's authors. I came to the space opera sagas from Doc Smith and Asimov fairly late in the day at age 14 when I'd started reading other pulp SF like the Eternal Champion novels and novels from TV series like Space 1999. By the time I was at uni I'd developed a taste for fairly hard SF and speculative fiction with the occasional foray into fantasy where I always preferred novels with a limited and consisten magic technology. It is, as you say, largely a matter of taste and age, but I do believe there's a drift to quality after the first few hundred. > Mark (Hasbeen) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 21 07:45:46 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:45:46 +0100 Subject: Weird tapes auctioned on Ebay Message-ID: I see a complete set of tapes 1-8 is being auctioned on Ebay for 35 Dollars FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 21 07:50:50 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:50:50 +0100 Subject: Rare Vinile 7" auctioned on Ebay Message-ID: This is the italian magazine which had a Hawkwind 7" of Assassins of Allah (the version from Reading '86). As Kollectors will know, it's very rare. FoFP From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Wed Jun 21 10:38:02 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:38:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mushroom in SF Message-ID: No, Farflung did not play. They did play a gig at Spaceland about a week before though. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt [SMTP:lwitt1 at USWEST.NET] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:42 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Mushroom in SF > P.S. Did Farflung play with Uz Jse Doma at Spaceland, if not SF? And has > anybody seen UJD? What are they like? I'd like to know too. They are playing here tomorrow in the same club as the Legendary Pink Dots, but at the same time, so I can only see one of them. I'll probably see the dots I guess. Also tomorrow night you can catch Skye Klad in Minneapolis at the nicollet island pavillion at 7pm for free. Should be quite a night. From denis at D-RIDER.DE Wed Jun 21 12:15:54 2000 From: denis at D-RIDER.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:15:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: Reading Material In-Reply-To: <91BAA0121CBDD31183B400A0CC585F71636E@BRIGHTON> Message-ID: Hi, Mark Lee wrote: >I wish I had the patience of some of this groups members, I read >The Hobbit when I was about 10 or 11, followed by all of JRRT's work >over a couple of years, one book I never managed was The Silmarillion >tho', IIRC it was completed by his son after his death ?, from a >fairly vast collection of notes, it just didn't work for me tho'. Christopher T edited the Sil, the texts are all written by JRRT. CT put his father's notes etc. together, choosing the right ones of all the different versions of the stories, and brought them into a coherent, publishable form. Only one chapter (I don't have the Sil with me at the moment, thus I don't know which one) was written by CT based on an outline of his father. (C)IAO D'who loves the Sil'+R From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:36:06 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:36:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice Message-ID: Hi Folks... Any news from the stones? What was the big deal they made about re-opening the site this year? I'm guessing it was hardly 'open,' right? Grakkl (FAA) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 21 13:46:21 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:46:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice In-Reply-To: K Henderson's message of Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: K Henderson writes: > Any news from the stones? > > What was the big deal they made about re-opening the site this year? I'm > guessing it was hardly 'open,' right? They said they were going to open them from midnight to 7am but wouldn't allow camping, pets, or amplified music. No reports of any problems on the BBC website. FoFP From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Wed Jun 21 14:11:23 2000 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:11:23 -0500 Subject: Arks Message-ID: > > > Or, since the TV also said the arks were just primitive batteries, Certainly would be a enjoyable topic over a few beers. Mainstream Anthropology/Archaeology theories be damned: http://www.eprf.tzo.com/html/spark_plug.html http://www.ior.com/~kjc/pages/strange.htm http://www.enterprisemission.com/samp5.htm have a nice day -- Doug Bates From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Jun 21 14:51:33 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:51:33 EDT Subject: Fwd: HW: Alien/Love In Space//from 'timnjaq' Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Tim Stephenson" Subject: Re: HW: Alien/Love In Space Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:19:47 +0100 Size: 1328 URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jun 21 17:46:42 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:46:42 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <001c01bfdabb$ab4db7c0$f428fc3e@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, nigel.kew wrote: > Phew, after reading this list for the past 6 mths or so I thought I > wasthe only one who liked any HW post 1979. > > I too feel Xenon Codex was extremely underrated, and I'm gonna > completely stick my neck out know and guide your thoughts to Distant > Horizons. I'll pick up on DH below, but can I chime in with approval of XC first. It is great - but it is very uncharacteristic. It's one of the Hawks' quasi-progressive moments - some of the songs are extremely complex and attempt much more depth than a lot of Hawkwind, although. It came out late after a patchwork album two years before, and I think it is a creature of a line-up that had run its course. I'm not saying that XC itself is sterile, but I don't think there was anything more to do in that vein. As a result it's something of a stand-alone. At least one of my friends who likes no Hawkwind generally (despite my best efforts :-) is quite fond of it. (Normally the album that catches such people is _Live Chronicles_, IME, but then I know too many metallers :-) However, I think a lot of my impression as described above is down to production, which is quite frankly lousy. The EQ is fine, but it sounds as if it was recorded from the next room, and as a result the songs all sound thick and somehow tired. I've heard Bedouin do `Sword of the East', and I know it can rip. But XC never quite generates the edge it really should have. Which leads me again to a question I've asked before now - did the recent Castle "remaster" and repackage of its material actually improve this situation? I have never dared buy it, because several people seemed to say when this bunch came out that they could hear no difference - but XC has to be second in line after _Doremi_ on any list of Hawkwind albums which as originally issued really needed remastering, and I'd really like to be able to hear it after such a treatment. On the other hand, I don't want two copies of identical music. Anyone in a position to answer this? > What a quality ablum drawing togther many of the themes raised in > Space Bandits but reviving some of the Choose your Masques/ > Leviatation style of playing. > > Theres more 'cos this is not just a fall back Album reflecting on past > glories the title track Distant Horizons could quite easily feel at > home in a nightclub, and IMHO should have been released as a single to > raise Hawk awareness. Personally though Reptoid Vision is my favourite > track a good old fashion HW rock track. I think _Distant Horizons_ is that rarest of things, a Hawkwind studio album with _no_ bad tracks. Even the version of `Love in Space' is tolerable with the vocals removed. And what I cannot help thinking of as the `filler' between the rock tracks is as inventive as anything since Harvey left, although not as pretty as Alan's stuff. Furthermore, all the rock tracks are winners - I liked Ron's stuff lots when I first heard it and I think `Phetamine Street' and `Reptoid Vision' are the only one which I still regard as excellent. Although I think Ron's bass-playing has improved lots lately, I can't help feeling that his song-writing is a bit of a one-trick pony. Nonetheless, here is that trick, at its best. But my favourite track on the album is undoubtedly `Wheels'. `Alchemy' is excellent too,but `Wheels' is such an archetypal Hawkwind song - the one riff (but a great riff), the brief key-changes before slumping back into blanga - it is simple and marvellous. The only thing that bothered me about DH was the lack of B/rock. Dave's input is obvious and quite nice - but the mainline blanga is all someone else's work. I thought that was a worrying precursor, but as long as the others carried on at that tempo Dave didn't need to grind out more riffs and could do what. as he says, he likes doing, playing with sequencers etc. Had I then realised that Messrs. Tree and Richards were going to contribute one more rock number each in the next four years, one of which would only be performed a handful of times, and never recorded, I'd have been, well, about as concerned as I am now. But then. So perhaps it's as well I didn't. Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 22 02:48:14 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos.org.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:48:14 -0700 Subject: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete In-Reply-To: <00c101bfda49$eee1b3a0$f8ccb0c2@tinypc> Message-ID: It is the future of the business to be dangerous Is it the business of the future to be dangerous love it! -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of g.m.wright Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 4:55 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 20 June 2000 00:15 Subject: Re: OFF: Filter, non-filter, cancer either way/ dont read this/de lete >> PS: What are peoples opinions on "It is the business of the future to be >> dangerous?" Just curious. > >My favourite HW album of the '90s. But I think I'm in a minority here... > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > An ever growing one. Its my favourite post '76 Album Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK Thu Jun 22 02:48:12 2000 From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos.org.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:48:12 -0700 Subject: Andrew G's Comments on Off: etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hear hear!! Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! >This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with >his merry >band of men. >In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the Brock Q >& A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my part, it would >appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, like some >people, and that >he still has a vision of Hawkwind progressing into the future, albeit >perhaps not what many of you out thwere particulalry want but for which he >hopes you will give him the time of day. >Clearly he sees villains in the stage along the way, but as people fall out >slightly, others fall back in and when push comes to shove he clearly >believes that he is holding the reins on the good ship Hawkwind. >I say three cheers for Dave who, when faced with some of the things that >seem to go on in Camp Hawkwind, it's a wonder that he hasn't given up and >taken his bags with him. >So, we have a whole slew of new music to lok forward to, tours with various >people, maybe even the start of Brock solo outings (or some form). No, >Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his >fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, >but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are >stronger now than at any time since the '70's. >.......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the >'70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go >ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real >Hawkwind album. >Enough - supper's ready........ >Andy Garibaldi > > >> My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" >> ===== >> In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: >> >> << >> As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the >same >> person.>> >> ====== >> and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. >> probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen >> yesterday. >> but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. >> this is hardly the first, or second, time. >> >> i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and >> another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group >> too, that day]. >> however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group >and >> _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. >> >> mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. >> >> anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, >> please clobber me off-group. >> >> however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group >mail >> months ago. >> >> and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. >> but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. >> >> "<>" >> larry boyd From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 18:46:25 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:46:25 +0100 Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: At 14:21 20/06/00, you wrote > > > > Coil > >_Music From Hellraiser_ (or some such title, is it _Unreleased Music From >Hellraiser_? At any rate the story is the movie studio found this music >*too* frightening to use in the movie.) I'm not at ALL surprised by that!!!! ChrisW ObBargain: The End Of Law by Hashisheen - two quid without a cover in Our Price "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 19:03:48 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:03:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How Do you find the time to re-read it every year - my pile of unread books just keeps on getting higher..... As time's rolled by, I've come to think of Clarke and Asimov as great ideasmiths(?) but not necessarily great writers: for me Clarke is a better short writer than novelist, though I haven't read RWR. I've just got around to Greg Bear's Eternity (having read Eon about 12 years ago) - he's got a good touch with BDO themes, and I've found most of his stuff worth the time. Others I've enjoyed lately: Steven Baxter, Greg Egan, Tricia Sullivan, Kim Stanley Robinson, Paul J. MacAulay and John Barnes. Cheers, ChrisW At 16:36 20/06/00, you wrote: >Hey Rich, > >You will love this. > >I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN novels too. > >IDIC _ Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Rodenberry got it right >long ago. > >Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose. > >________________________ >"Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark >to read." Groucho Marx > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:02 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > > > > >Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd rather > >re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* awful. > >Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? > >But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be like if we all > >liked the same things? > > > >Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? > > > >:-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > >> I would like to share three authors I just love and recommend all their > >> works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. Neal is of the > >Bruce > >> Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from hard space opera to > >> silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 18:48:31 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:48:31 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <001c01bfdabb$ab4db7c0$f428fc3e@default> Message-ID: At 14:29 20/06/00, you wrote: >Phew, after reading this list for the past 6 mths or so I thought I wasthe >only one who liked any HW post 1979. > >I too feel Xenon Codex was extremely underrated, and I'm gonna completely >stick my neck out know and guide your thoughts to Distant Horizons. > Xenon Codex...love it DH, I blow hot & cold IITBOTFTBD...like it My 2p worth ChrisW NP:The Widow In The Window/Kenny Wheeler Quintet From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Jun 21 19:18:01 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:18:01 +0100 Subject: tBS hit road In-Reply-To: <200006081350.OAA17982@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, bart wrote: > > More to the point... > > > > Any chance of a UK visit? > > > Absolutely. I mean there'd be at least three in the audience - > you, me & Andy Gilham :-) Four :-) And I expect the girlfriend would want to come too, as she thinks Deb's great. So we're halfway to double figures already and the gig hasn't even been organised yet! How's that for feedback :-) And Carl, too, if they leave it a few months. Surely they can't say no! Yours, Jon -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 19:12:10 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:12:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <200006201602.RAA24692@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Could just be a question of mood & timing...I quite enjoyed them at the time, though I've never felt the slightest urge to re-visit them, nor to read any more of her stuff... BtW, thanks for the info on on MacLeod - I've not tried any yet, but I think they'll join the ever growing pile given your recommendations ChrisW On 20/06/00, you wrote: >Richard Lockwood writes: > > > Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian May. I'd > > rather re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's > > *that* awful. > >I'm glad it's not just me. I got through about a third of "The Golden >Torc" or something before deciding to read a book by someone who could >write, and it's extremely rare for me ever to quit on a book. > > > Rich. > >FoFP From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 19:22:18 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:22:18 +0100 Subject: reccomendations? In-Reply-To: <200006202031.NAA27525@claustro.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: At 21:31 20/06/00, Bill wrote: > > << S: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! >> Would if I could, but I can't *g* > I'll second that... > > I saw T-Lev with the California Guitar Trio (mix of CGT alone, >T-Lev alone and both together) and it was incredible.[Nice guys too, >signed many items after the show, very friendly] The _Waters of >Eden_ band looks like a knock-out too. > Check out http://www.papabear.com for tour and album info From somewhere on (I think) http://www.cgtrio.com there is a link to a RealAudio stream of the whole of one of these shows (from Denver), including a guest appearance by the sax player Bill Rieflin. Amazing music, though the video was more "Frame By Frame" (GRINNZ) ChrisW ObGigToCome: KC @ Shepherds Bush (rubs hands with glee) From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 19:26:36 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:26:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:46 20/06/00, you wrote: >There's a sequence of four tracks at the end of the first disc of LOVE IN >SPACE, which is as good as anything post-PXR5. > >-- Andy There speaks a Calvert fan *g* ChrisW A little bit off: anybody been to Mick Farren's hp lately...revamp in progress, and a link to another site which has lots of Farren archive stuff from OZ/IT days From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Wed Jun 21 19:36:46 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:36:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books In-Reply-To: <032901bfdb56$fde3fa30$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Why not, saves me the trouble :-{P> ChrisW At 09:02 21/06/00, you wrote: >Oh no - don't get me started now... :-) > >(wanders off muttering words like 'crucifixion' and 'boiling human >excrement') > >;-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. >----- Original Message ----- >From: flossbac >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 7:31 PM >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > > > >I'd rather > > > re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. It's *that* > > awful. > > > > > > The Smiths.... definitely among my favorite bands of all time. It would >be > > difficult to think of very many lyricists who are better. > > John Majka > > flossbac at nlci.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Jun 21 20:25:15 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:25:15 -0700 Subject: reccomendations? Message-ID: > > > << S: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! >> > > Would if I could, but I can't *g* > > > > I'll second that... > > > > I saw T-Lev with the California Guitar Trio (mix of CGT alone, > >T-Lev alone and both together) and it was incredible.[Nice guys too, > >signed many items after the show, very friendly] The _Waters of > >Eden_ band looks like a knock-out too. > > Check out http://www.papabear.com for tour and album info > > From somewhere on (I think) http://www.cgtrio.com there is a link to a > RealAudio stream of the whole of one of these shows (from Denver), > including a guest appearance by the sax player Bill Rieflin. Amazing > music, though the video was more "Frame By Frame" (GRINNZ) > It's ok... however, CGT is going to release an "official bootleg" of the SF show real soon now. I'm jazzed, it was an awesome show, and the singalong with Bohemian Rhapsody was the most musical I've ever heard an audience - everyone knew all the words, and on pitch and in time! Speaking of amazing audience phenomena, at the T. Levin show, when there was the obligatory applause for the encore, I was nicely surprised to notice that the clapping didn't follow the norm. That is, speeding up until is dissolves into random noise; this group kept a perfect rhythm up until the band reappeared..... Just as an fyi, the stuff that was played other than Levin's solo stuff was: Elephant Talk (Levin vocals), Back In NYC (Marotta vocals), I Go Swimming (mostly instrumental), and Fast doing the Synergy track Flight Of The Looking Glass (I was transported!) scorch From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Wed Jun 21 20:32:22 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:32:22 -0700 Subject: more reccomendation request Message-ID: Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. Also, how is Ofra Haza? Finally in this vein, if someone can point out a really good album of Sufi music..... Copious thanks! scorch From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Jun 21 21:03:18 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:03:18 -0500 Subject: reccomendations? In-Reply-To: <200006220025.RAA08218@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, John H. McCartney wrote: :Subject: Re: reccomendations? : :> > > << S: if you get a chance to catch the current Tony Levin tour, GO!!! >> :> :> Would if I could, but I can't *g* :> :> > I'll second that... :> > :> > I saw T-Lev with the California Guitar Trio (mix of CGT alone, :> >T-Lev alone and both together) and it was incredible.[Nice guys too, :> >signed many items after the show, very friendly] The _Waters of :> >Eden_ band looks like a knock-out too. :> > Check out http://www.papabear.com for tour and album info :> :> From somewhere on (I think) http://www.cgtrio.com there is a link to a :> RealAudio stream of the whole of one of these shows (from Denver), :> including a guest appearance by the sax player Bill Rieflin. Amazing :> music, though the video was more "Frame By Frame" (GRINNZ) :> : :It's ok... however, CGT is going to release an "official bootleg" of :the SF show real soon now. I'm jazzed, it was an awesome show, and the :singalong with Bohemian Rhapsody was the most musical I've ever heard :an audience - everyone knew all the words, and on pitch and in time! : I caught the chicago show, and they did bohemian rhapsody here as well. much fun. tony levin is coming back in town on friday. anyone local going? I was tempted to go to the second show....the one with the flamenco guitarist opening. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Wed Jun 21 22:17:01 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates In-Reply-To: <394EE366.265ADC29@uswest.net> Message-ID: Any more info on them yet? Is there a name for this traveling show? Any idea when the East Coast dates might be firmed up? Curious One At 10:22 PM 6/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >Not sure if these have been posted yet. > >Jerry Richards, Richard Chadwick, Harvey Bainbridge, Steve Hayes, Steve >Taylor, and the Solar Fire Lightshow. > >7/26 Milwaukee - shank hall >7/27 Minneapolis - 7th street entry, $8.00 in advance $10 at door >7/28 TBA maybe madison >7/29 Lansing, IL JJ Kellys >TBA Philly >TBA NY,NY >TBA Washington DC > >7/27 will be webcast, anybody who needs advance tickets for the 7/27 >show let me know I can get them to you. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jun 21 22:43:50 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:50 EDT Subject: OFF: more reccomendation request Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/00 5:32:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: > ver the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a > lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), > Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! > The Tea Party albums "Summer Solis" and "Edges of Twilight" are very good w/this sort of thing. Though to go w/that there's a strong Zeppelin flavor in the music and a strong Morrison one in the vocals. One of the greatest bands to come out of the '90s (though I can't say much for their last two albums). Also definitely check out "Saddar Bazaar"--their album "Conference of the Birds" is excellent, though it's on Delerium, so could cost some bucks. They released a 2nd lp more recently, which unfortunately I haven't been able to attain yet. They've also released some 7"s. That's just barely the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure, as to western rock w/mid-east influences. Recently I picked up a CD by a groud called Sur Sudha, this being the "real" thing, w/three Nepalese musicians comprising the group, 15-minute ragas, etc. The Music of Nepal I think is the title of the album. I can't notice the difference from Indian music, but then this ain't my specialty by a long shot... Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jun 21 23:46:05 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:46:05 -0400 Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates Message-ID: One curious sort enquired... >Any more info on them yet? Is there a name for this traveling show? Any >idea when the East Coast dates might be firmed up? I think I heard the NYC show was confirmed now (Knitting Factory or somethin') but can't recall the exact date...7th comes to mind. Eli...is that what you told me? Or was I totally delerious from lack of sleep at NEARfest Saturday? (Drove all night Friday.) A Quarkspace/Harvey Bainbridge/StrangeWind show at Little Brothers here in Columbus is now scheduled for Monday, July 31st. So I imagine that things are still slowly coming together on this front. I just got passed this interesting schedule of acts for SD'2K. A new staggered lineup between two stages, presumably one inside/one outside the tent. I imagine it should work well as long as the changes are synchronized. I hope this was meant to be made public, 'cause I've just done so. Sorry, Jim L., if I've jumped the gun. CANNABIS CAF? STAGE 4:00 to 5:00 ? NORML / John Hartman 6:00 to 7:00 ? World of Tomorrow 8:00 to 9:00 ? Einsteins Secret Orchestra 11:00 to Midnight ? NORML / Willy Mac Midnight to ? ? SD 2000 Sci-Fi Theater presents "Tales from Out of this World!" OUTDOOR STAGE 5:00 to 6:00 - Bionaut 7:00 to 8:00 ? Architectural Metaphor 9:00 to 11:00 ? Daevid Allen and his University of Errors SD2000 SATURDAY SCHEDULE CANNABIS CAF? STAGE 11:00 to Noon ? NORML / John Hartman Noon to 1:00 - Drumplay 2:00 to 3:00 ? Skye Klad 4:00 to 5:00 ? Alien Planetscapes 6:00 to 7:00 ? Trans-Lunar Express 8:00 to 9:00 ? Harvey Bainbridge 11:00 to Midnight ? NORML / Willy Mac Midnight to ? ? SD 2000 Sci-Fi Theater presents more "Tales from Out of this World!" OUTDOOR STAGE 1:00 to 2:00 ? ST37 3:00 to 4:00 ? Born to Go 5:00 to 6:00 - Nucleon 7:00 to 8:00 - Quarkspace 9:00 to 11:00 ? Debut of Richard Chadwick and Jerry Richards NEW PROJECT! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK, here's some big news, from my perspective. SubArachnoid Space is planning to come east in September, coincident with the arrival of Circle from Pori, Finland!!!! As much as I like SAS, I have to say that Circle is tops on my list of 90s bands (that includes *everyone*), and I'm chuffed beyond belief to learn their intention to play in Cleveland. Apparently, they have a US recording contract (timely because of the demise of Metamorphos, their previous label), so coming here makes some sense. Here are the SAS dates I got from Mason Jones (head SAS-er)....don't know if Circle is doing other shows apart from this, but seems probable. (Note...Salamander, Escapade and Abunai! are really awesome themselves...I'm afraid to say that I'm more excited about this thing than the travelling SD'2K tour.) SAS Eastern US tour... Sat, Sept 16: Minneapolis, MN with Salamander, the Pins Sun, Sept 17: Chicago, IL (not sure where yet; might be on Monday instead) with Circle Mon, Sept 18: Detroit, MI (not sure where yet) with Windy & Carl, Circle Tue, Sept 19: Cleveland, OH at Speak in Tongues with Circle and either Speaker/Cranker or Fuzzhead Wed, Sept 20: off Thu, Sept 21: New York, NY at Knitting Factory with Circle Fri, Sept 22: Portland, ME at the Skinny with Black Tara, Cerberus Shoal Sat, Sept 23: Boston, MA at Middle East (probably) with Abunai!, Major Stars, maybe Circle Sun, Sept 24: Easthampton, MA at Flywheel Mon, Sept 25: New York, NY at the Cooler with Escapade, Tono-Bungay Tue, Sept 26: Phildelphia, PA at Khyber Pass with Circle drive Fri, Sept 29: Denver, CO TBA From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Jun 22 01:38:17 2000 From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:38:17 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze tour hits NY Message-ID: Yes Keith,You were not suffering sleep deprivation.According to Jim Lascko the still unnamed Richards/Chadwick project along with Harvey Bainbridge are set to play NY's Kitting Factory on Monday Aug.7.and Daevid Allen and University of Errors will be at the same venue two days later on Aug.9. Now, has anybody got a report from Germany on the Hawk gathering last weekend? Eli Frie From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 22 02:39:05 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:39:05 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request In-Reply-To: <200006220032.RAA09310@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: Ofra Haza made some fine records but sadly died young, if that's what you're asking? Try Natacha Atlas - any of her three solo albums, but if I have to pick one, then HALIM. Some Western dance influences, but bang up to the minute Maghreb dance music too. Chris Karrer (of Amon Duul II) has travelled widely in Egypt and Turkey, and as a result has made some great ME-tinged solo albums in recent years; SUFISTICATED would be my pick of them (in spite of the title). Then of course you can take the leap and actually buy some real Middle-Eastern music. ;) There's a couple of good starting points, comppilations of popular music from all around the Arab world, in EMI's Hemispheres list; SIF SAFAA and CAMELSPOTTING. Then get thee to Morocco or Egypt and just buy loads of cheap tapes from market stalls! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of John H. McCartney > Sent: 22 June 2000 01:32 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: more reccomendation request > > > Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a > lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), > Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! > > So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be > appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so > many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. Also, > how is Ofra Haza? > > Finally in this vein, if someone can point out a really good album > of Sufi music..... > > > Copious thanks! > > > scorch From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 22 02:39:06 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:39:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000622002428.00bd4530@pophost1.breathemail.net> Message-ID: > There speaks a Calvert fan *g* I won't deny it - I've said before that it was Bob's lyrics and attitude that first attracted me to HW (such as shwoing it was OK to cut your hair if you wanted to, even if all your mates were longhairs ;). > A little bit off: anybody been to Mick Farren's hp lately...revamp in > progress, and a link to another site which has lots of Farren > archive stuff > from OZ/IT days Yep, and it's well worth checking out. While we're talking books, may as well plug Mick's JIM MORRISON'S ADVENTURES IN THE AFTERLIFE. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From IainFerguson at CS.COM Thu Jun 22 03:55:43 2000 From: IainFerguson at CS.COM (Iain Ferguson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:55:43 EDT Subject: Xenon/Distant/Alien Message-ID: Here here, lets all hear it for Distant Horizons, i thought this was a great album, it shook up the sound well, but like the PXR5 album being far more gritty,punky than the previous albums. Good shot of amphetamine into the band. regards iain From SHLL at NOVO.DK Thu Jun 22 05:56:47 2000 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL (Scott Heller)) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:56:47 +0200 Subject: German Hawkfan gathering Message-ID: Hej, The German Hawkfan Gathering in Hamburg was great, once again.... I traveled down with the swedish band Psuedo Sun as well as Santtu from Dark Sun. The weather was cold and the beer cheap and the people very friendly. We had great hospitality from all. As for the music, it was cool. Tower of Electric Onions started things off with a 90m set of space rock with a little funk and jazz.. Nik joined them for the last 30 minutes. Sloterdyk played a cool 1 hour set of solo space rock.. Liquid Visions replaced the now broken up Lord Brain and really rocked the place. Nik joined them for the last 20 minutes of the 80m set. The Psuedo Sun played at 1 for the rest of the drunk folks and rocked for 86 minutes. Santtu and myself played synths with the band.. It was a lot of fun. Saturday, the music started with Liquid Zoo, who were more garage.psych rock... Ok band.. Das Weeth experience was next and played a sort of dreamy.neil young type music with the guitar player using feedback and effects in an interesting way.. pretty cool... Harvey Bainbridge played a 40m set with nik and Mr.Dibs helping out on bass, flute, sax and synths.. This was really spaced out and excellent! Then the SPacehead band joined and most of their original material was really pretty cool, especially the slow numbers. They have too many Bedoiuin-Motorhead like numbers that sound to similar... Harvey and Nik played the whole set.. They did some HW numbers like Green Finned Demon, Golden Void, Brainstorm, Masters of the Universe, the worst version ever of Silver Machine..... They had a very inexperienced young drummer who was quite bad,.. changing time all the time and loosing track of where he was.. The guitar player for spacehead also had a horrible guitar sound.. way too much treble... the crowd really dug these guys and they were really good for the first 80 or 90 minutes and then it went down hill. Trev Thoms joined them on acoustic guitar and was quite out of it having trouble even tuning the damn thing.. Added a very strange element to the HW tunes.. They played 2.5 hours! It was a tough weekend but well worth it and nice to see Thomas (the organizer), bernhard from the list, Andreas St?we and his wife, and several other friends.. Nik and Harvey were very approachable but very stoned most of the time.. Fun time.. I recorded it all. scott From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jun 22 07:05:40 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:35:40 +0930 Subject: German Hawkfan gathering Message-ID: I believe I am residing in the wrong country.... I think i'll move 8-) ----- Original Message ----- From: SHLL (Scott Heller) To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: German Hawkfan gathering > Hej, > > The German Hawkfan Gathering in Hamburg was great, once again.... I > traveled down with the swedish band Psuedo Sun as well as Santtu from Dark > Sun. The weather was cold and the beer cheap and the people very friendly. > We had great hospitality from all. As for the music, it was cool. Tower of > Electric Onions started things off with a 90m set of space rock with a > little funk and jazz.. Nik joined them for the last 30 minutes. Sloterdyk > played a cool 1 hour set of solo space rock.. Liquid Visions replaced the > now broken up Lord Brain and really rocked the place. Nik joined them for > the last 20 minutes of the 80m set. The Psuedo Sun played at 1 for the rest > of the drunk folks and rocked for 86 minutes. Santtu and myself played > synths with the band.. It was a lot of fun. > > Saturday, the music started with Liquid Zoo, who were more > garage.psych rock... Ok band.. Das Weeth experience was next and played a > sort of dreamy.neil young type music with the guitar player using feedback > and effects in an interesting way.. pretty cool... Harvey Bainbridge played > a 40m set with nik and Mr.Dibs helping out on bass, flute, sax and synths.. > This was really spaced out and excellent! Then the SPacehead band joined and > most of their original material was really pretty cool, especially the slow > numbers. They have too many Bedoiuin-Motorhead like numbers that sound to > similar... Harvey and Nik played the whole set.. They did some HW numbers > like Green Finned Demon, Golden Void, Brainstorm, Masters of the Universe, > the worst version ever of Silver Machine..... They had a very inexperienced > young drummer who was quite bad,.. changing time all the time and loosing > track of where he was.. The guitar player for spacehead also had a horrible > guitar sound.. way too much treble... the crowd really dug these guys and > they were really good for the first 80 or 90 minutes and then it went down > hill. Trev Thoms joined them on acoustic guitar and was quite out of it > having trouble even tuning the damn thing.. Added a very strange element to > the HW tunes.. They played 2.5 hours! > > It was a tough weekend but well worth it and nice to see Thomas (the > organizer), bernhard from the list, Andreas St?we and his wife, and several > other friends.. Nik and Harvey were very approachable but very stoned most > of the time.. > > Fun time.. I recorded it all. > > > scott > From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jun 22 07:04:20 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:04:20 -0400 Subject: BOC in Manchester Pictures Message-ID: I put a couple of the pix I snapped at the manchester show a couple weeks back up on the web. I apologize for the size of them. Still learning HTML, etc. http://www.geocities.com/9875/BOC_Manchester.html P.S> Love the third pic. From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Thu Jun 22 07:34:43 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:34:43 +0100 Subject: Andrew G's Comments on Off: etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ORDER...ORRRDERRR!!!!! >hear hear!! > >Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! > > >This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with > >his merry > >band of men. > >In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the Brock Q > >& A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my part, it would > >appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, like some > >people, and that > >he still has a vision of Hawkwind progressing into the future, albeit > >perhaps not what many of you out thwere particulalry want but for which he > >hopes you will give him the time of day. > >Clearly he sees villains in the stage along the way, but as people fall out > >slightly, others fall back in and when push comes to shove he clearly > >believes that he is holding the reins on the good ship Hawkwind. > >I say three cheers for Dave who, when faced with some of the things that > >seem to go on in Camp Hawkwind, it's a wonder that he hasn't given up and > >taken his bags with him. > >So, we have a whole slew of new music to lok forward to, tours with various > >people, maybe even the start of Brock solo outings (or some form). No, > >Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his > >fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, > >but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are > >stronger now than at any time since the '70's. > >.......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the > >'70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go > >ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real > >Hawkwind album. > >Enough - supper's ready........ > >Andy Garibaldi > > > > > >> My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" > >> ===== > >> In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > >> > >> << > >> As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the > >same > >> person.>> > >> ====== > >> and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. > >> probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen > >> yesterday. > >> but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. > >> this is hardly the first, or second, time. > >> > >> i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and > >> another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group > >> too, that day]. > >> however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group > >and > >> _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. > >> > >> mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. > >> > >> anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, > >> please clobber me off-group. > >> > >> however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group > >mail > >> months ago. > >> > >> and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. > >> but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. > >> > >> "<>" > >> larry boyd From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Jun 22 08:22:52 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:22:52 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze tour hits NY(C) In-Reply-To: <200006220538.BAA22902@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Ok I just checked ticketmaster for the knitting factory... no go. How does one acquire tickets to this event?? Mike _______________________ Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Eli Friedman >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:38 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Strange Daze tour hits NY > > >Yes Keith,You were not suffering sleep deprivation.According to Jim Lascko >the still unnamed Richards/Chadwick project along with Harvey >Bainbridge are >set to play NY's Kitting Factory on Monday Aug.7.and Daevid Allen and >University of Errors will be at the same venue two days later on Aug.9. >Now, has anybody got a report from Germany on the Hawk gathering last >weekend? >Eli Frie > From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Thu Jun 22 09:12:45 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:42:45 +0930 Subject: Andrew G's Comments on Off: etc Message-ID: Here here ... there there .... poo poo ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Andrew G's Comments on Off: etc > ORDER...ORRRDERRR!!!!! > >hear hear!! > > > >Honestly - you're all behaving like mebers of Parliament!!! > > > > >This is all giving mwe some insight as to how Brock must feel with > > >his merry > > >band of men. > > >In an effort to get back to reality, I note that the comment on the Brock Q > > >& A session has been lacking - no reactions anyone? For my part, it would > > >appear that Dave Brock is not stuck in the '70's, like some > > >people, and that > > >he still has a vision of Hawkwind progressing into the future, albeit > > >perhaps not what many of you out thwere particulalry want but for which he > > >hopes you will give him the time of day. > > >Clearly he sees villains in the stage along the way, but as people fall out > > >slightly, others fall back in and when push comes to shove he clearly > > >believes that he is holding the reins on the good ship Hawkwind. > > >I say three cheers for Dave who, when faced with some of the things that > > >seem to go on in Camp Hawkwind, it's a wonder that he hasn't given up and > > >taken his bags with him. > > >So, we have a whole slew of new music to lok forward to, tours with various > > >people, maybe even the start of Brock solo outings (or some form). No, > > >Hawkwind aren't Gong, and Brock isn't Daevid Allen, but Allen has his > > >fingers in many musical pies, some of which I love, some of which I hate, > > >but at least he's still out there and after many bumpy rides, Gong are > > >stronger now than at any time since the '70's. > > >.......and for thsoe who say that the Hawks left good albums behind in the > > >'70's, has anyone seriously listened to all of 'Xenon Codex' lately? Go > > >ahead - revisit that tonight and tell me if it isn't one gem of a real > > >Hawkwind album. > > >Enough - supper's ready........ > > >Andy Garibaldi > > > > > > > > >> My apologies for this stoopit waste of time. "<>" > > >> ===== > > >> In a message dated 6/19/00 7:08:20 AM, dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > >> > > >> << > > >> As I understand, several others have done the same thing, regarding the > > >same > > >> person.>> > > >> ====== > > >> and golly gee, this one is wondering who that 'same person' might be. > > >> probably the same miscreant characterized as an 'idiot' by mr. mckeehen > > >> yesterday. > > >> but mr. mckeehen likes to play 'allusions' like this. > > >> this is hardly the first, or second, time. > > >> > > >> i thought i was having an amusing volley w/the 'lemmy shmemmy' lady and > > >> another fellow on saturday morning [they both corresponded w/me off-group > > >> too, that day]. > > >> however, mr. mckeehen had a problem w/this and felt he had to go on-group > > >and > > >> _allude_ that i was the 'idiot' in question. > > >> > > >> mr. mckeehen is hung up on his interpretation of 'protocol'. > > >> > > >> anyone else w/a problem w/me, in general or specifically saturday, > > >> please clobber me off-group. > > >> > > >> however, mr. mckeehen _cant_ do that, because i blocked _his_ off-group > > >mail > > >> months ago. > > >> > > >> and i repeat my apology for this waste of time. > > >> but i'm _tired_ of the 'allusions' of the _stoneless_ mr. mckeehen. > > >> > > >> "<>" > > >> larry boyd > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Jun 22 09:07:34 2000 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:07:34 +0200 Subject: HW: NZ/OZ tour log Message-ID: Hi folks Found this on JIM LASCKOs page ============================================================== "ON TOP DOWN UNDER" HAWKWIND ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA When I heard the news that Hawkwind was making plans to tour New Zealand and Australia, I quickly called Dave Brock and volunteered The Solar Fire Lightshow and the use of my services. He graciously (whooo hoo!) accepted my offer and I was soon winging my way to the other side of the world. After a grueling 20 hours of plane rides (the seats are definitely not made for large people) and various airports I arrived safely in Auckland, New Zealand with the bare essentials of The Solar Fire Lightshow in 5 large, heavy and slightly smashed cardboard boxes. Seeking visual efficiency AND economy of shipping I had only brought the unique-to-me equipment that I needed to interface with the existing house lights at each venue and round them out into a good, solid light show. I hoped everything was OK After collecting my gear and going through customs, I was met at the airport by John Attard and Jordan Morris. John is the English promoter who got the ball rolling and made the NZ/OZ dates possible by financing a large chunk of the tour, purchasing the necessary plane fares and arranging the NZ gig dates with the help of Jordan's mother Wendy. The Morris's (Andy, Wendy, Rainbow, Jordan and Cristen) also went deep into their pockets (and big hearts) to help out with the financing in addition to putting up the whole band and crew at their Tanglewood Farm homestead and moving us around NZ. If you are ever down that way give them a call at (64) 09 833553 and ask about their more than reasonable rates for renting a caravan. They will try their best to help you out. They sure fed us well and took care of us like we were family! We are very grateful to them and anyone who was happy to see Hawkwind down under owe these kind folks and a few others in Australia (more on them later) a very big thank you because it never would have happened without them. Ready? All together now .....1...2...3...... THANK YOU!!! As we were driving to Tanglewood Farm I was immediately aware of the sub-tropical humidity in the air and of the fact that I wasn't upside down. That's right...even though you are on the bottom of the other side of the world and you should be upside down, you're not! It definitely took a little getting used to. Although Orion is in the night sky, he doesn't quite look the same and there is no North Star. You have the Southern Cross instead. As Harvey would later put it, we were "upside down and backward in a parallel universe". And what a beautiful universe it is! Sandy beaches, refreshing water and hilly green country, plus sheep, Sheep and MORE SHEEP! I just loved it! NZ is not very crowded and a laid back feeling permeated the air. Kiwis (as they are wont to be called) are a freedom loving people and believe in the live and let live philosophy. I was pleased to see that the "cookie cutter, track housing, everything looks the same" way-of-living hadn't yet made big inroads here. I enjoyed seeing the simpler, square-ish house designs (indicative of do-it-yourselfers) rather than the pretentious phony lines of the new homes that we are now mostly seeing built in the US. It really was like a breath of fresh air and perhaps more similar to the America of 40-50 years ago. Steve commented that it reminded him a bit of the Pacific Northwest region of the United States. Arriving at Tanglewood I meet the band for the first time since I went to England in October and it was great to see them all again! For this tour Hawkwind was Dave Brock (guitar, synth, vocals) Richard Chadwick (percussion) Jerry Richards (guitar, vocals) Harvey Bainbridge (keyboards, vocals) Simon House (violin) and my fellow Clevelander Steve Taylor (bass). A very promising line up! Rounding out the crew was Kris Tait doing stage visuals and fire eating (blowing some immense fireballs for being such a wee lass), sound engineer/equipment tech Lofty McCrusty, monitor man/equipment tech John Oddy and myself, Jim Lascko, on lights. On board to help with the merchandising was Holly House, Simon's charming and capable 14 year old daughter. It was also my pleasure to meet Asaf Shlomo, an Israeli living in London who came along with John Attard to video tape the tour for a possible future Hawkwind documentary. I found him to be a very knowledgeable, sensible man and I enjoyed his company. I discovered that Tanglewood Farm was about 10 acres (or is that hectares?) of rolling hillside on the outskirts of Auckland. Scattered around this land were numerous caravans. These are what they called anything that once had wheels and was outfitted to live in like a camper. Some were still running and others were immobile, molded forever to the ground by the passing of time. From buses and house trailers to Beverly Hillbilly type shacks on the backs of old pick up trucks. The one assigned to me was the classic hillbilly type on the outside but extremely nice on the inside. It was cunningly made all of wood and fitted together with care towards matching the grain and contrasting the colors of the wood in a manner pleasing to the eye. Very cool! All of the others were scattered about in various caravans while Dave and Kris rented a small modern motor home (by this I mean a caravan that actually MOVES) so they could go off and enjoy some of the island's sights by themselves. By the time I arrived Hawkwind had already done 2 shows in NZ. The reason for this was that if I didn't return within 30 days of my departure it would cost TWICE as much money for my airfare to NZ. Doing all of the shows would have taken closer to 35 days, so it was decided that they would do without me for the first two dates and hire a local lightshow instead. Although I wasn't there to see it, I understand that they did a bang up job for the first 2 shows (Auckland and Waihi Beach) and the lights looked great! Because of the massive expenses involved in taking a band halfway around the world, I wasn't surprised to arrive in the middle of a discussion involving the problem of a low cash flow. I don't know if you can appreciate how unbelievably fast the money can go when you are moving almost a dozen people around the world and putting them up in hotels and eating out in restaurants. It's like having a vacuum hose in your pocket sucking out all your money! You have to pay for airfares, air freight, visas, vehicles, sound system, equipment rental, food, fuel, hotels and much more. I guess it's the price you must pay for not licking the grease off of corporate fingers! We would just have to tighten our belts and expect only the essentials. It was at this time that I first heard of the possibility of the South Island gigs being cancelled. We all hoped that it wouldn't come to that as we sat and tried to iron out the logistics. The South Island was supposed to be a virtual hot bed for freedom loving, laid back, old time, crusty types. You know... your typical Hawkwind fan! Unfortunately, it was not to be and we ended up canceling the South Island leg due to logistic clashes with the Australian tour. Maybe the next tour! I spent the next few days recuperating from my flight. Seeing that I wouldn't have any voltage converters until we got to New Plymouth I didn't even bother to unpack my boxes leaving them unopened so they would be easier to transport. I figured I'll get to my first gig early and sort everything out then. During this time Andy took some of us to Long Bay beach. Inside of this big beautiful bay is where the America's Cup boat races are held. In fact the cup races were going on during the time we were there with New Zealand ending up victorious. The Kiwis were all pumped up and kicking ass, but seeing that we weren't exactly the yachting set we didn't really give a shit! In a few days we were on our way to the first gig in New Plymouth. Going inland the terrain starts to quickly climb and the country is hilly. Sheep paddocks abound and you can see why the lamb chops are so cheap there. Our first stop was to be a crater lake that used to be an active volcano that erupted about 5,000 years ago. The consequent flooding of the crater that was left resulted in a gorgeous lake that was now home to a resort community. It was a very pretty and idyllic spot. The motel we stayed at boasted mud baths and water slides but we arrived too late, and left too early, to take advantage of them. We had a lot of driving ahead of us to get to the gig. The roads in NZ are mostly of the 2 lane black top type. They necessarily have to twist and turn as they wind around the hills. This swerving left, right, left, right, left, right and on and on and on and on eventually started to make me a little queasy. Things got even worse when we ran out of paved road and we had to close all of the windows to keep the dust out. After more hours than we thought it would take we arrived late at the Fitzroy Hotel in New Plymouth. The show was in a mid sized sports-type bar complete with pool tables and tv monitors scattered about. I discovered that I had no voltage converters due to a communications error on John and Lofty's part. After a brief conversation with Lofty 2 converters were found locally and were on their way to the venue. I opened my boxes and discovered that my projecting kaleidoscope, oil wheel and one overhead projector was broken in transit. The rest of the night was a blur for me. Sweating like a pig from too much salt and beer (that's right - LIKE A STUCK PIG!) I was so busy straightening out my equipment that I couldn't even tell you what songs Hawkwind played. All I knew was that the set list I was given was only good as ass wipe material because Hawkwind didn't play a few of the songs - which made all the rest of the songs out of order. I saw I would have to rearrange the slides for a more generic lightshow. Chaos reigned! In addition to these obstacles one of the newly arrived voltage converters took a crap before the show even started. White smoke billowed out from it and I had to do a quick removal and reroute the cords on half of my equipment. The sound company boys quickly hooked me up with a couple of emergency power feeds and plug converters ("no guarantees" they told me) from a dimmer pack that took the 230 volt NZ power and "dimmed" it down to 120 volts. This proved to be a costly mistake as the frequency remained unchanged and I needed 60hz instead of the NZ 50hz. This resulted in my equipment overheating and I slowly started to blow my lightbulbs. Even so, it turned out to be a good show judging by the audience's response. Kris Tait wowed them by fire eating and blowing a few huge fireballs so that the folks up front could feel the heat in their faces. There was a good size crowd for a Thursday night and everyone was stomping and cheering loudly for more when it ended. We had the first of two gigs the next night at the St. James Cabaret in Wellington, the capital of New Zealand. The reason there were two gigs in Wellington was because Hawkwind had said that they COULD play two shows there if the audience/fanbase warranted it. What the ticket sellers heard was that they WOULD play two shows! Since tickets were sold for both shows before the misunderstanding was discovered, Hawkwind decided to play both of them rather than disappoint any fans who bought tickets for the second show. The St. James Cabaret was a good size club that had a balcony where I was able to set up the lights. It was a pretty easy set up for me and an ideal spot for the lightshow. The first night was a decent size crowd, but not enough to warrant opening up the balcony. The house lighting rig (which looked really nice) wasn't usable at all because we brought a sound system into the club and they disconnected the lighting rig from it's power in order to plug this system in. I sat up there and couldn't even give the opening act much of a lightshow other than a simple colorful slide projection or two for a back drop. I had some trouble the show before with my bulbs blowing and I had only so many spare bulbs left. I couldn't risk blowing any on the opening band and then not have them for Hawkwind. Opening the show was Inangafunga, a band that I understand was from the South Island. They laid down some pretty solid grooves and were very easy to get into. I liked them. Definitely a hard-core, barefoot, hippy band with at least one member sporting the obligatory dreadlocks and tattoos. Check 'em out! Hawkwind came on after them and did a two hour set. They were in good form and ready to go as the stage set up went a little easier tonight and the pressure was off a little. The following is a typical set list (actually from the final Auckland, NZ Power Station gig) and it is a sample of what they played during this tour. It changed a little bit in order and content from gig to gig as Dave and the boys tried doing different things Right Stuff / Coded Languages / Motorway City / Assault & Battery / Golden Void / new instrumental / Forge of Vulcan / Assassins of Allah / Spirit of the Age / Utopia / Poem / Free Fall / Experiment with Destiny / Brainstorm / Sonic Attack / Rat Race / Shouldn't Do That / and then back to Brainstorm again! The encore was Ejection / Song of the Gremlin / and Welcome to the Future. I met Richard Stockwell (from Cranium Records) and his wife Chrissy at these Wellington gigs as well as my NZ pen pals Shane Palmer and Des Hunt. It was really good to see friendly faces and finally meet the people you have only written to before. After the gig there was a lot of happy chattering and milling around going on as the band hung around visiting with folks and signing record covers, female mammalian protuberances, and other such things. The second night was similar to the first except with fewer people (just as we had feared) and a wee bit darker lightshow. I had blown the bulbs in 3 out of my 4 colored spotlights the night before (making the stage very dark indeed without the use of the house lights) and on this night one of my slide projector bulbs blew up early in the show and shattered the inside lens right next to it. That was it for that projector! I unplugged my rigged NZ "120 volt" power supply and didn't use it again. I had blown every one of the five spare projector bulbs I had brought by my third show. I put everything on the one power converter I had left and tried not to run it all at once. It still wasn't a bad lightshow as the darkness only enhanced and defined the 150+ slides of stars, space and alien civilizations that I brought with me. By the final song of the evening the power converter finally overheated and blew an internal fuse from being overloaded. I was left with only some white strobes which I used for all they were worth. It seemed to work for the audience because folks came up to me and commented on how they liked the "lightning effect" at the end. The astounding thing to me was that I ended up running the whole lightshow on one cheap little house extension cord....and it held out to the end! God sure watches over us. After the last show in Wellington we headed back towards Auckland by way of Rotorua. Wendy had arranged for us to visit a park there that featured sulfur springs, geysers, boiling mud and other things indicative of volcanic activity. It seemed much like an open wound on the skin of the earth and it made the whole town smell like rotten eggs. Many of the motels had hot mineral baths where this boiling water is piped directly into a wading pool. The one we stayed at had 2 pools and we soaked in hot water that night, floating around on our backs and looking up at the stars. Jerry Richard's was suffering a little because his back was hurting from riding all day and getting in and out of the vans. This soaking helped loosen him up a bit and it did him a world of good! I burned one and had a little vino - and THAT did me a world of good! Although the water did feel good on my festering sores and alligator like skin I couldn't help but wonder what effect the sulfur smell may have on your lungs over a long period of time. To me it was like the odor you get when you strike a match and it flares up as it burns off the sulfur. It seemed to make my lungs feel "heavy" after a while. I really noticed this more the next day when we went to the park and spent a few hours wandering about the walkways that snaked around the various points of interest. I took a few photos while there and got a pretty good picture of Richard standing in front of a smoking pit. After a while we loaded into the van and headed for Auckland once again. On the way home we stopped at Cranium Records. This is a small record shop owned by Richard and Chrissy Stockwell. It is attached to their home and laid out beautifully, all neat and trim. As we walked in and looked around we saw a whole slew of our favorite artists featured on the shelves. We all had a ball going through the records saying "remember this one?" and "I used to listen to this when I was...." and other such things as we uncovered goodie after goodie after goodie! The Stockwell's have a love for good music and are great supporters of spacerock in New Zealand. If you ever get a chance to visit their shop, please do! You sure won't be disappointed in the quality of music that you will find. I'm sure they would be happy to do mail order for those things you just can't find at home. For more info email them at: "Stockwell, Richard" Once back at Tanglewood Farm we had a few days to rest up and then it was off to Australia. Kris Tait was busily making arrangements all week so that everything would go smoothly over there. The band was looking forward to seeing the country and everyone's spirits were high as we got our equipment ready for shipping. By this time the cardboard boxes I was using to haul my lightshow around in started to have the look and feel of finely tanned buckskin! Andy helped me find some new cardboard boxes and with the help of a couple of rolls of duct tape I was once again ready for whatever abuse the ape like baggage handlers could dish out. So off to the airport we went. STAY TUNED FOR PART 2 of "ON TOP DOWN UNDER"... HAWKWIND IN THE MERRY, MERRY LAND OF OZ! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 22 09:21:04 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:21:04 +0100 Subject: reccomendations? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:21:09 EDT." <394F6FC5.2A00B289@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: > "John H. McCartney" wrote: > > > I'd appreciate if someone could give me some reccomendations on what > > to pickup from the following bands. Some I'm heard tracks by on various > > 'tribute' albums, others I've just heard about over the years. > > Controlled Bleeding > > Listen before you buy. A record store that knows my tastes recommended two > > Controlled Bleeding CDs to me. One I rather liked. The other was a total > turn-off. > Really sounded like two different bands, so try before you buy. Defintely. Some stuff like Glass on Wire is ambient/industrial, but other albums are more straightforward gtr based rock (wel, loosely). For a bit of each, try _Songs from the Drain_ > > Coil > > _Music From Hellraiser_ (or some such title, is it _Unreleased Music From > Hellraiser_? At any rate the story is the movie studio found this music > *too* > frightening to use in the movie.) Yeah, steady with this. In fact its all a bit of a piss take by Mr Balance & Mr Barker. On the back of the EP there's a quote by Clive Barker to the effect of "so scary it made my bowels churn". In reality though, the material is very light indeed, the usual ambient synth tinkerings. I believe the more classic Coil sound can be found on releases such as _Horse Rotovator_ or _Scatology_ but I don't have any more of their work. > > Swans I have one of thier discs somewhere Holy Money/Greed, but its hard work. For the more darkwave bands you mentioned, have you tried the _Narcosis_ 2CD compilation ? As for Nurse With Wound / Throbbing Gristle people, Chris & Cosey have done some quite excellent ambient stuff in recent years, the CTI / Library of Sound series for starters. Whilst we're fishin for reccommendations in this area, anybody want to enlighten me on the following ? In the Nursery Current 93 Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 22 09:33:32 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:33:32 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:32:22 PDT." <200006220032.RAA09310@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: > Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a > lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), > Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! Check out O Yuki Conjugate for that ethinic ambient kind of thing - the one I have is _Peyote_. Also, some of Steve Roach's more recent stuff is in this vein, like the semi live album _On This Planet_. > So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be > appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so > many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. Also, > how is Ofra Haza? I'm afraid they're both no longer with us :-/ I too have been curious about Muslimgauze. I recall a review of a retrospective CD (maybe a double or more ?) which came out last year; the review seemed to suggest this gave a good intro. Also the album _Citadel_, but with so many releases you might get a stinker. I'd be interested to know your opinion though. More info on cdnow.com about the band. They mention Download, which I heartily second, if you like that kind of sonic chaos :-) though there's nothing middle eastern about it. Compilation wise, heard good things a looong time ago on rec.music.industrial about a collection called Twilight Earth, kind of tribal darkwave material. Tim From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jun 22 09:33:51 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge & Solstice Message-ID: Front page of yahoo has some pix of the attendees of Stonehenge at the solstice. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Jun 22 09:58:51 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:58:51 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Message-ID: feedback from my lady friend jo, who knows not of hawkwind or boc.... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Joanne Hebb Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Size: 2225 URL: From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jun 22 10:17:12 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:17:12 +0300 Subject: HW: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: >With the talk of HW old and new am I alone in thinking that the Alien cd, tour, and subsequent live release are some of the best material that the band has produced? 100% agree!!! But for you, Alien I?am! Probably best song ever? or Festivals? Absolutely great words. Great album indeed. Unfortunately I had not opportunity to see them live, but video is great. Actually, there is no weak official HW album at all. I like them all. NP:The Spacious Mind- The Mind Of A Brother Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 22 11:58:44 2000 From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:58:44 PDT Subject: SD2K Message-ID: Here are the latest road dates w/ more details, straight from Jim Lascko: THE STRANGE DAZE 2000 TRAVELING OUTERSPACE SPECTACULAR 7/26/00 - Milwaukee, WI - Shank Hall 1434 N. Farwell (414) 276-7288 7/27/00 - Minneapolis, MN w/ Skye Klad - 7th St. Entry 701 First Ave. (612) 338-8388 7/28/00 - Madison, WI - seeking/TBA 7/29/00 - Lansing, IL (S. Chicago) - JJ Kelly's 2455 Bernice Rd. (708) 418-8266 7/31/00 - Columbus, OH - Little Brothers 1100 N. High St. (614) 421-2025 8/04/00 - Washington DC - seeking/TBA 8/05/00 - Baltimore, MD - seeking/TBA 8/06/00 - Philadelphia, PA - seeking/TBA 8/07/00 - New York, NY - Knitting Factory 74 Leonard St (212) 219-3006 8/11/00 thru 8/13/00 - Nelson, OH - STRANGE DAZE 2000 - Nelson Ledges Quarry Park Peace, Darrin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Jun 22 14:07:20 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:07:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Silmarrilling Message-ID: I know the answer to this one, He doesn't re-read it every year, by the time he gets to the end (Approx 364 days effort), he's forgotten the start so he has to remind himself. ;-)))) [DARFC] Having said that my tally for Lord of The Rings is now 24, I know this because every time I read it I put a little pencil tally mark inside the front cover (Ed: Sad boy) Cheers, Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Warburton [mailto:desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET] >Sent: 22 June 2000 00:04 >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > >How Do you find the time to re-read it every year - my pile of >unread books >just keeps on getting higher..... > >As time's rolled by, I've come to think of Clarke and Asimov as great >ideasmiths(?) but not necessarily great writers: for me Clarke >is a better >short writer than novelist, though I haven't read RWR. I've just got >around to Greg Bear's Eternity (having read Eon about 12 years >ago) - he's >got a good touch with BDO themes, and I've found most of his >stuff worth >the time. Others I've enjoyed lately: Steven Baxter, Greg Egan, Tricia >Sullivan, Kim Stanley Robinson, Paul J. MacAulay and John Barnes. > >Cheers, >ChrisW > >At 16:36 20/06/00, you wrote: >>Hey Rich, >> >>You will love this. >> >>I re read the Silmarillion YEARLY! LOL, and I like the PERN >novels too. >> >>IDIC _ Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. >Rodenberry got it right >>long ago. >> >>Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose. >> >>________________________ >>"Outside of a Dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a >dog it's too dark >>to read." Groucho Marx >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:02 AM >> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >> >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books >> > >> > >> >Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian >May. I'd rather >> >re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the Smiths. >It's *that* awful. >> >Anne McCaffrey for Booker Prize anyone? >> >But then that's only my opinion - what would the world be >like if we all >> >liked the same things? >> > >> >Any votes for "Dull but peaceful" from the cheap seats? >> > >> >:-) >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Rich. >> > >> >> I would like to share three authors I just love and >recommend all their >> >> works. Neal Stephenson, Julian May and Jack Chalker. >Neal is of the >> >Bruce >> >> Sterling school whereas Jack is all over the map from >hard space opera to >> >> silly fantasy. Julian you just have to experience to understand. >> > >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> >http://im.yahoo.com >> > > From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Jun 22 14:11:29 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:11:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Julian May Message-ID: Hmmm, Starting to get some feedback is this thread... For my part I thought the JM set was pretty bloody good, the ONLY author who's work I've hated was Stephen Donaldson and his double quintet of extended overblown flowery lit. !! My bit added, Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Warburton [mailto:desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET] >Sent: 22 June 2000 00:12 >Subject: Re: OFF: RE: Clarke's SF books > > >Could just be a question of mood & timing...I quite enjoyed them at the >time, though I've never felt the slightest urge to re-visit >them, nor to >read any more of her stuff... > >BtW, thanks for the info on on MacLeod - I've not tried any yet, but I >think they'll join the ever growing pile given your recommendations > >ChrisW > >On 20/06/00, you wrote: >>Richard Lockwood writes: >> >> > Oh God - I just *knew* someone was going to mention Julian >May. I'd >> > rather re-read the Silmarillion while listening to the >Smiths. It's >> > *that* awful. >> >>I'm glad it's not just me. I got through about a third of "The Golden >>Torc" or something before deciding to read a book by someone who could >>write, and it's extremely rare for me ever to quit on a book. >> >> > Rich. >> >>FoFP > From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Jun 22 14:17:26 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:17:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: RE: more reccomendation request Message-ID: Hey Ho, Don't know if I'd class The Tea Party as ME but certainly Zepp like, I was damn near fooled the first time I heard them. I would add Transglobal Underground to the list and throw in a little Asian Dub Foundation (early stuff), I listen to Afro Celt Sound System a bit too, not truly Middle of the East but hey, who's got a compass. Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Chuck Rosenberg [mailto:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] >Sent: 22 June 2000 03:44 >Subject: OFF: more reccomendation request > > >In a message dated 6/21/00 5:32:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: > >> ver the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that >> have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a >> lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), >> Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! >> > >The Tea Party albums "Summer Solis" and "Edges of Twilight" ^^^^^^ Splendor I think !! :) >are very good >w/this sort of thing. Though to go w/that there's a strong >Zeppelin flavor in >the music and a strong Morrison one in the vocals. >One of the greatest bands to come out of the '90s (though I >can't say much >for their last two albums). >Also definitely check out "Saddar Bazaar"--their album >"Conference of the >Birds" is excellent, though it's on Delerium, so could cost >some bucks. They >released a 2nd lp more recently, which unfortunately I haven't >been able to >attain yet. They've also released some 7"s. >That's just barely the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure, as to western rock >w/mid-east influences. > >Recently I picked up a CD by a groud called Sur Sudha, this >being the "real" >thing, w/three Nepalese musicians comprising the group, >15-minute ragas, etc. >The Music of Nepal I think is the title of the album. I can't >notice the >difference from Indian music, but then this ain't my specialty >by a long >shot... > >Chuck > From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Jun 22 14:15:49 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:15:49 -0400 Subject: Roger Waters Message-ID: I'm going to see Roger Waters tonight. Anybody out there see the show? Comments? From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Jun 22 14:19:53 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:19:53 +0100 Subject: Strange Daze tour hits NY Message-ID: Apparently (according to martyn) it was a bloody good event. Not much of a report I know but he was a tad knack'd when we spoke on Wed evening, still recovering from the drive back with the whole bunch in one van - dedication to the music or what ?? Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Eli Friedman [mailto:EliPXR5 at AOL.COM] >Sent: 22 June 2000 06:38 >Subject: Strange Daze tour hits NY > > >Yes Keith,You were not suffering sleep deprivation.According >to Jim Lascko >the still unnamed Richards/Chadwick project along with Harvey >Bainbridge are >set to play NY's Kitting Factory on Monday Aug.7.and Daevid Allen and >University of Errors will be at the same venue two days later on Aug.9. >Now, has anybody got a report from Germany on the Hawk gathering last >weekend? >Eli Frie > From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Jun 22 14:21:46 2000 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:21:46 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: HW: Alien/Love In Space Message-ID: Snap !! Calvert still does it for me. Damn but I wish he could have left me some of that talent. Mark (Hasbeen) >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] >Sent: 22 June 2000 07:39 >Subject: Re: HW: Alien/Love In Space > > >> There speaks a Calvert fan *g* > >I won't deny it - I've said before that it was Bob's lyrics >and attitude >that first attracted me to HW (such as shwoing it was OK to >cut your hair if >you wanted to, even if all your mates were longhairs ;). > >> A little bit off: anybody been to Mick Farren's hp lately...revamp in >> progress, and a link to another site which has lots of Farren >> archive stuff >> from OZ/IT days > >Yep, and it's well worth checking out. While we're talking >books, may as >well plug Mick's JIM MORRISON'S ADVENTURES IN THE AFTERLIFE. > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; >http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jun 22 13:43:30 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:43:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Julian May Message-ID: At 07:11 PM 6/22/2000 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: >Hmmm, > >Starting to get some feedback is this thread... For my >part I thought the JM set was pretty bloody good, the ONLY >author who's work I've hated was Stephen Donaldson and his >double quintet of extended overblown flowery lit. !! My absolute favorite fantasy series, ever. I've seen too many pointless arguments over this, though, either you like it or you don't. "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Jun 22 14:45:26 2000 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:45:26 -0500 Subject: Off: Re: Roger Waters Message-ID: No, but I had 9th row center tickets to see the show in New Orleans. For some reason he cancelled this leg of the tour! Aaargh!!!! Enjoy the show, Dan! "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > I'm going to see Roger Waters tonight. Anybody out there see the show? > Comments? From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Jun 22 14:56:20 2000 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:56:20 -0400 Subject: Roger Waters Message-ID: I'm sure it'll be a great show! Roger always has top notch visuals! Tom, is your brother going? Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [SMTP:tclark at PETRONET.NET] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:45 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Off: Re: Roger Waters No, but I had 9th row center tickets to see the show in New Orleans. For some reason he cancelled this leg of the tour! Aaargh!!!! Enjoy the show, Dan! "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > I'm going to see Roger Waters tonight. Anybody out there see the show? > Comments? From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Jun 22 15:01:21 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:01:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: Julian May In-Reply-To: <200006221743.NAA26590@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: I know I started this May thread but to clarify.. Although I liked the Saga of the Pliscene exiles. I thought that the Galactic Milieu series books were just outstanding. As for JRR.. I read (or listen to unabridged on tape) the Hobbit, Trilogy, Silmarillion and Lost Tales once a year. Yes I am a masochist. LOL Just a clarification for Jack Chalker, a previous post referred to the Cybernetic Walrus trilogy (Alice in wonderland it was called) as an older series.. in fact it is very recent and very good as the "lister" mentioned. Jack's earlier works are outstanding as well. Above and beyond his Well world series there are so many two to five book series that are worth investigating. Anyone who wants a specific recommendation could email me off list. Enough Enough :) Mike ________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Andrew A. Apold >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:44 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Julian May > > >At 07:11 PM 6/22/2000 +0100, Mark Lee wrote: >>Hmmm, >> >>Starting to get some feedback is this thread... For my >>part I thought the JM set was pretty bloody good, the ONLY >>author who's work I've hated was Stephen Donaldson and his >>double quintet of extended overblown flowery lit. !! > >My absolute favorite fantasy series, ever. I've seen too >many pointless arguments over this, though, either you like >it or you don't. >"Left behind by the latest trends... > eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... > - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon >=============== >Andrew Apold > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jun 22 15:11:39 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:11:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Julian May In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Michael S. Habiby wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Julian May : :As for JRR.. I read (or listen to unabridged on tape) the Hobbit, Trilogy, :Silmarillion and Lost Tales once a year. Yes I am a masochist. LOL heh. I have you beat. I've done the LOR series at least 95 times so far. Just like going back to a familiar friend. :Just a clarification for Jack Chalker, a previous post referred to the :Cybernetic Walrus trilogy (Alice in wonderland it was called) as an older :series.. in fact it is very recent and very good as the "lister" mentioned. I was that lister :-) ...and it's the Wonderland Gambit series. not that recent. The Cybernetic Walrus (book 1) came out 5 yrs. ago. (...and they are damn good.) :Jack's earlier works are outstanding as well. Above and beyond his Well :world series there are so many two to five book series that are worth :investigating. Anyone who wants a specific recommendation could email me :off list. : :Enough Enough :) or me. but read this series first :) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Thu Jun 22 15:20:26 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:20:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rock Wallpaper Message-ID: This weeks update at; http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com adds AC/DC, Kiss, Steve Vai, Dio, Marduk, Ozzy w/Randy Rhoads and Type O Negative Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://shop.affinia.com/zeitgeist/Store4/ - The Hawkwind Shop http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jun 22 14:25:37 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:25:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Quarkspace mini-tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... Thought yins in the nor'east might wanna know some of these other dates besides MBS2K and SD2K. QUARKSPACE NORTHEAST TOUR 2000! (stay tuned for one more show?) June 30 - July 1, 2000. The Mandlebrot Sets.... a spacerock festival. Elk's Lodge, East Hartford, CN. We are happy to be playing with some more quality American spacerock bands! Quarkspace are playing Saturday night 7/1 at 8PM. Go here for mo info! Wednesday July 5th, 2000. Red Square Tavern, Burlington VT. We've always wanted to play Burlington! Thursday July 6th, 2000. Tammany Hall, Worcester MA. Join us and our hip-blue-blooded space pals Architectural Metaphor and instrumental troopers, Juggernaut. Friday July 7th, 2000. The Morrill Theatre, Nesconset NY. QSpace invades Long Island with Canis Minor, Dark Aether Project and Sloterdijk. Saturday July 8, 2000. On-air performance on the Gagliarchives Radio show on WBZC 88.9 in the Philly/Delaware Valley Area.! Monday July 31, 2000. Little Brothers, Columbus OH. Strange Daze Traveling Spectacular Show! We are opening up for the band featuring Hawkwinders Jerry Richards, Richard Chadwick and Steve Taylor along with synth-wiz, Steve Hayes, and also x-HW synthesist, Harvey Bainbridge's band. Tickets available at the door for $10. August 11-12, 2000. Strange Daze 2000, Nelson Ledges, OH.. The above mentioned x-Hawkwinders will be there, along with Daevid Allen's University of Errors, most of the spacerock bands who played Quarkstock, plus some other great spacerock bands! what, A National Steam gig?! Sunday June 25, 2000. UFO6. Lothlorien Nature Sanctuary. Near Bloomington, IN. Ahhh.... a Sunday Afternoon with the elves from Sanctuary Rock. Paul, Dave and Stan will be joined by some special guests!! Email Terry Kok for more info. (biostar_a at yahoo.com) Grakkl (FAA) From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Thu Jun 22 15:25:26 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:25:26 +0100 Subject: HW Site update Message-ID: Over at; http://hawkwind.freeservers.com you'll get a PXR5 lyrics page and the full Dave Brock Open Forum Part 2. Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://shop.affinia.com/zeitgeist/Store4/ - The Hawkwind Shop http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jun 22 14:35:44 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:35:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: SubArachnoid Space Message-ID: Hi Folks... Two other SAS gigs (for locals) that I failed to mention last time. Grakkl (FAA) 6/24/00 San Francisco Bottom of the Hill w/Tatsuya Yoshida (of Ruins) and Amber Asylum 6/28/00 San Francisco Tip-Top w/Property of Thieves From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 22 15:24:21 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:24:21 -0700 Subject: OFF: Julian May Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:11:39 -0500, Arin Komins wrote: >heh. I have you beat. I've done the LOR series at least 95 times so far. >Just like going back to a familiar friend. Wow! Where do you find the time? I doubt I've even read the 'Illuminatus' trilogy 9 or 10 times. (sorry, nothing in this msg to do with Julian May...) Of course, this week I just re-started 'Terra Nostra' (mind-blowing book in the realm of "magical realism"/allegorical historical fiction) by Carlos Fuentes (definitely start with one of his shorter books - I'm glad I did!) at about 2/3 of the way through, so it'll probably be at least August before I can tackle another novel... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Jun 22 16:50:25 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:50:25 -0400 Subject: OFF:Illminatus! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000622122421.00999770@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: OMG I had forgotten about that piece of brilliant 60's paranoia. I think I have read it 5 times.. I think that Illuninatus! fits quite well in the Hawkwind paradigm don't you all? Mike H. _________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Doug Pearson >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:24 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Julian May > > >On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:11:39 -0500, Arin Komins > wrote: >>heh. I have you beat. I've done the LOR series at least 95 times so far. >>Just like going back to a familiar friend. > >Wow! Where do you find the time? I doubt I've even read the 'Illuminatus' >trilogy 9 or 10 times. > >(sorry, nothing in this msg to do with Julian May...) > >Of course, this week I just re-started 'Terra Nostra' (mind-blowing book in >the realm of "magical realism"/allegorical historical fiction) by Carlos >Fuentes (definitely start with one of his shorter books - I'm glad I did!) >at about 2/3 of the way through, so it'll probably be at least August >before I can tackle another novel... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Jun 22 16:51:35 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:51:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: random sf In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000622122421.00999770@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Doug Pearson wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Julian May : :On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:11:39 -0500, Arin Komins : wrote: :>heh. I have you beat. I've done the LOR series at least 95 times so far. :>Just like going back to a familiar friend. : :Wow! Where do you find the time? I doubt I've even read the 'Illuminatus' :trilogy 9 or 10 times. : :(sorry, nothing in this msg to do with Julian May...) : :Of course, this week I just re-started 'Terra Nostra' (mind-blowing book in :the realm of "magical realism"/allegorical historical fiction) by Carlos :Fuentes (definitely start with one of his shorter books - I'm glad I did!) :at about 2/3 of the way through, so it'll probably be at least August :before I can tackle another novel... : I'm a speed-reader. It helps :) ...that, and I don't have as much of a life as I should :) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jun 22 17:01:51 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:01:51 EDT Subject: OFF: RE: more reccomendation request Message-ID: In a message dated 6/22/00 11:18:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MLee at ESPARTO.ORG writes: > Hey Ho, > > Don't know if I'd class The Tea Party as ME but certainly Zepp > like, I was damn near fooled the first time I heard them. > well, not strictly ME of course, but more than a few tinges... > I would add Transglobal Underground to the list and throw > in a little Asian Dub Foundation (early stuff), I listen > to Afro Celt Sound System a bit too, not truly Middle > of the East but hey, who's got a compass. This reminds me--How about Anubian Lights?? It's even almost on-topic!! > > Mark (Hasbeen) > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Chuck Rosenberg [mailto:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] > >Sent: 22 June 2000 03:44 > >Subject: OFF: more reccomendation request > > > > > >In a message dated 6/21/00 5:32:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes: > > > >> ver the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > >> have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. Examples would be a > >> lot of Dead Can Dance stuff, some Loreena McKennit (Marco Polo), > >> Gabriel's Passion disc, stuff like that. I'd like to find more! > >> > > > >The Tea Party albums "Summer Solis" and "Edges of Twilight" > > ^^^^^^ Splendor I think !! :) > whoops--I always goof that up! Thanks, Chuck From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 22 16:57:57 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:57:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:50:25 -0400, "Michael S. Habiby" wrote: >OMG I had forgotten about that piece of brilliant 60's paranoia. 70s, actually. (1975, I think?) >I think that Illuninatus! fits quite well in the Hawkwind paradigm don't you >all? Unquestionably so! I discovered both when I was 16 (half a lifetime ago!) and I would *definitely* not be the same person I am if I hadn't ... And somehow I don't think I'm the only person on this list who that's true for, one way or another ... -Doug (note "fixed" header) ceres at sirius.com >>-----Original Message----- >>From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >>Behalf Of Doug Pearson >>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:24 PM >>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >>Subject: Re: OFF: Julian May >> >>Wow! Where do you find the time? I doubt I've even read the 'Illuminatus' >>trilogy 9 or 10 times. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 22 18:22:02 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:22:02 +0100 Subject: HW:Melodic Energy Commision Message-ID: Does anyone know if Del Dettmar is on the Melodic Energy Commision LP:"E=MC2"? There also seems to be a 7" from that album,can anyone confirm? greetings filip hawknut --------------------------------- No - pretty sure he'd gone by that point as that was a tape-only release quite a while after the second album. There was not a single from that tape as far as I can remember. When we last spoke about 9 months ago, the guy behind MEC said that a new album was in preparation, that he still sees Del Dettmar relatively regularly and that Del had a whole box of tape albums and works that have never been released. I offered to release them through Dead Earnest, but Del reckoned that the quality was not good enough. I also offered to release Del's taope-only album 'Synthesis' on CD and they were thinking about that but never came back to me. No doubt with the return of Dead Earnest due soon, I will re-open those connections, and check back on the MEC history. Andy Garibaldi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 22 18:34:14 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:34:14 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: IN my opinion, the remaster of 'Xenon Codex' has made a difference to the sound quality and overall performance of the album, but because I get through CD players like hot dinners, I've not had the opportunity to do a comparison on really good equipment. But there was a significant improvement to 'Live '79' and IITBOTFTOD, less so for 'Levitation' but the original mix on that was quite flat so I guess they couldn't have done much to improve it, and I reckon that those repackaged remasters are worth getting if yuo're listening on good equipment - anyone else care to chip in on this one? Andy Garibaldi. =============== Which leads me again to a question I've asked before now - did the recent Castle "remaster" and repackage of its material actually improve this situation? I have never dared buy it, because several people seemed to say when this bunch came out that they could hear no difference - but XC has to be second in line after _Doremi_ on any list of Hawkwind albums which as originally issued really needed remastering, and 'd really like to be able to hear it after such a treatment. On the other hand, I don't want two copies of identical music. Anyone in a position to answer this From prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM Thu Jun 22 15:23:28 2000 From: prabbit at GOWEBWAY.COM (Sara Zaza) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:23:28 -0000 Subject: SD2000 On the road East Coast Message-ID: My understanding is that there has been difficulty in securing dates for the Philly, Baltimore, and Washington DC shows. That doesn't mean these dates won't happen but time is getting tight and Jim was not sounding very optimistic for these 3 cities...Many of the clubs contacted are booked for the dates given already. Weekday shows were offered at a couple of clubs but it was not thought the draw would be adequate to pay band expenses etc. compared to the turnout that a Friday or Saturday show would bring. Keep your fingers crossed.... John Stanton From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Thu Jun 22 19:38:05 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:38:05 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request In-Reply-To: <200006220032.RAA09310@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: At 01:32 22/06/00, scorch wrote: >Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that >have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. > >-snip-< >So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be >appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so >many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. Also, >how is Ofra Haza? I'd go along with Andy Gilham's suggestions, adding Ms. Atlas' work with Transglobal Underground. You might also like to look a little further East towards Indian/Pakistani influences via Talvin Singh's "OK", Sheila Chandra and "One and One is One" by Joi >Finally in this vein, if someone can point out a really good album >of Sufi music..... The obvious (and readily available) exponent is Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (also deceased) who recorded stuff for Real World Records - though the purists would complain that a lot of it was adulterated, particularly some of the things with Michael Brook. I have a double set called "Echos Du Paradis - Sufi Soul" on a German label "Network", serial No. 26.982. It comes in a nice double height digipak with notes and pictures. The 21 tracks cover quite a wide spectrum of Sufi music from Morocco & Senegal, through Egypt, Iran, Syria, Kurdistan, Turkey to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan & Uzbekistan. No URL I'm afraid. Hope that helped... ChrisW NP:Joi - One and One is One From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Jun 22 20:59:05 2000 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:59:05 EDT Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates/sunday Message-ID: I don't think you jumped the gun as this is on the strange-trips site. my question...where is the sunday line-up? bob In a message dated 6/21/00 10:01:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > I imagine it should work well as long as the changes are > synchronized. I hope this was meant to be made public, 'cause I've just > done so. Sorry, Jim L., if I've jumped the gun. > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu Jun 22 21:19:27 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:19:27 -0500 Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates/sunday Message-ID: > where is the sunday line-up? I thought there was no music on sunday? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 22 21:16:59 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:16:59 -0700 Subject: HW: more fodder for the files Message-ID: Unfortunately, I couldn't quite figure all the words - [?] indicates those that are missing. Bob's rant from the Hawklords Weird Tape of "Urban Guerilla": -------------------------------------------------------------- If you know what I mean Then you'll wanna stay cool Gotta stay cool ... (Gotta stay cool) 'Cause I think you're gonna blow it (Gotta stay cool) Yeah I think you're gonna blow it up (Gotta stay cool) Bullets are the only way (Gotta stay cool) You gotta stand up and fight fight (Gotta stay cool) Stand up and reach [?] (Gotta stay cool) See 'em writing on the walls (Gotta stay cool) Gonna spray it on with spray cans (Gotta stay cool) Study your rule [?] (Gotta stay cool) Get yourself out of bed (Gotta stay cool) Training in the jungles (Gotta stay cool) Jungles are the cities (Gotta stay cool) The undergrowth of citizens (Gotta stay cool) Undergrowth of townships (Gotta stay cool) Trains underneath them (Gotta stay cool) Drop your bombs down manholes and (Gotta stay cool) Destroy all the highways (Gotta stay cool) And pull down [?] (Gotta stay cool) You take out the [?] (Gotta stay cool) Pull out all the wires there, you (Gotta stay cool) Sneak up on the doorman (Gotta stay cool) And you [?] him with lies lies (Gotta stay cool) And you blow away [?] (Gotta stay cool) And you shoot 'em with [?] And you tell me that you still Wanna stay cool -------------------------------------------------------------- Additions, corrections, and a transcript of Bob's rant from the 'Hawklords Live' version of "25 Years" (the bit about Elvis Costello) more than welcome! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jun 22 21:08:22 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:08:22 -0700 Subject: HW: a couple more song charts Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:11:14 -0500, Todd Hong wrote: >...and spoil your fun? >I don't think so. >Go for it. >Todd H Hee hee ... I already had my fun, figuring out my own mistakes (oops!). Mostly I forgot about minor chords - that's what I get for originally figuring it out on bass! But now that I've double-checked with someone who actually played the song with Bob, this should be correct: DAMNATION ALLEY ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) A A5 D I've got the serum and I'm going to take it A A5 D All the way to Boston, oh I've got to get through A A5 D The going won't be easy, but I'm going to make it A It's the only thing that I'm cut out to do D Ride the post-atomic radioactive trash D The sky's on fire from that nuclear flash A A5 D Diving through the burning hoop of doom in an A eight wheeled anti-radiation tomb C B Thank you Dr. Strangelove for going do-lally and E D leaving me the heritage of Damnation Alley, Damnation Alleyway middle section - violin solo: Am / / / C / Bm G Am / / / / / / / G / / / E / C Bm G Am / / / / / / C / / / D / / Bm Am / / / / / / / C / / / B / G / D / / / / / / / "radiation wasteland" part: A / / / A6 A6 / / chord tabs (thanks Kevin Perry!): A5 (-02255) (or is it -02555?) A6 (-04220) -Doug ceres at sirius.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:02 PM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: a couple more song charts > >On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:33:09 -0700, I wrote: >>DAMNATION ALLEY >>( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) >> >>slow middle section / violin solo part: >> ... >>There are at least 3 significant mistakes in the above chord progression >>listing. >> >>Anyone wanna point 'em out before I do? From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Thu Jun 22 22:28:20 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:28:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000622135757.009952b0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: fnord From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Jun 23 00:46:29 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:46:29 -0500 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: I also have the remaster of Xenon, and I think it's a huge improvement in the sound quality.... a lot of that murkiness of the instruments on the original has been wiped away and the sounds are much clearer. John Majka From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 23 03:13:57 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:13:57 +0800 Subject: HW Family Box Set Message-ID: Hi all Here in Australia on the Sanity Web site www.sanity.com.au they have the Family Box Set listed. I've heard about this before, but don't know too much about what's on it? Also, I wasn't aware it was actually released yet? Any info? William From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 23 03:17:37 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:17:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Julian May Message-ID: Couldn't stand Donaldson either. :-) Cheers, Rich. > Hmmm, > > Starting to get some feedback is this thread... For my > part I thought the JM set was pretty bloody good, the ONLY > author who's work I've hated was Stephen Donaldson and his > double quintet of extended overblown flowery lit. !! > > My bit added, > > Mark (Hasbeen) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jun 23 03:39:56 2000 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:39:56 -0600 Subject: Off: Re: Roger Waters Message-ID: I'm going on July 1st! I can't wait!!! Rock on! Pam Tom Clark wrote: > No, but I had 9th row center tickets to see the show in New Orleans. For > some reason he cancelled this leg of the tour! Aaargh!!!! Enjoy the show, > Dan! > > "Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]" wrote: > > > I'm going to see Roger Waters tonight. Anybody out there see the show? > > Comments? -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi all I recall there was a web site which featured album covers designed by the author of the page. Does it still exist, and if so, where (I'm after a copy of the jewel-case cover of Dawn Of Hawkwind)? William From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Fri Jun 23 06:02:09 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:32:09 +0930 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: thats what they all say ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Habiby To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > fnord > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 23 07:57:07 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:57:07 EDT Subject: HW: upcoming SD 2000 dates/sunday Message-ID: In a message dated 6/22/00 9:16:53 PM, lwitt1 at USWEST.NET writes: << > where is the sunday line-up? I thought there was no music on sunday? >> ========== and you're right to have thought so. it's fri-sat "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jun 23 08:38:08 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:38:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > >I think that Illuninatus! fits quite well in the Hawkwind paradigm don't you > >all? > > Unquestionably so! I discovered both when I was 16 (half a lifetime ago!) > and I would *definitely* not be the same person I am if I hadn't ... > > And somehow I don't think I'm the only person on this list who that's true > for, one way or another ... True! Damn _Illuminatus!_ trilogy led me off on a Robert Anton Wilson binge (_Schrodinger's Cat_ trilogy, _Cosmic Trigger_ et al, _Historical Illuminatus Chronicles_) and related areas and authors (_Principia Discordia_, _The Book of the Subgenius_, etc. etc.)... (My wallet was crying the blues.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Mountain, _Over the Top_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Fri Jun 23 09:30:56 2000 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: Doug Pearson: > "Michael S. Habiby": >> I think that Illuninatus! fits quite well in the Hawkwind paradigm >> don't you all? > Unquestionably so! I discovered both when I was 16 (half a lifetime > ago!) and I would *definitely* not be the same person I am if I hadn't ... > > And somehow I don't think I'm the only person on this list who > that's true for, one way or another ... Only Hanna-Barbera cartoons have had a greater effect on my psyche. -Hogard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 23 10:24:09 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:24:09 EDT Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/23/00 9:57:10 AM, james.hogard at JUNO.COM writes: << Only Hanna-Barbera cartoons have had a greater effect on my psyche. -Hogard === may i comment here? when i'm not having tons o' fun here at BOC-L, i'm a regular at a place called Disaster Message Service, specifically discussions on the chechnya conflict and what's going on in yugoslavia. at DMS, i'm "L'menexe." on the russia page, there is a strident poster named Antonio, who routinely rails against what he calls the "illuminati/masonic/jewish conspiracy"; in fact he appears to believe nothing but certain papal edicts from centuries ago. as you might expect, i regularly blast this individual...and when he got to the point of burning rabbis at the stake last week, i blasted him severely enough to a degree where he's toned down such talk....for now anyway. == point being that there are people out there who took/take the illuminatus trilogy seriously, even _dead_ seriously. 'Antonio' would be an example. never read it meself. "<>" ps> Tex Avery was gawd. ==== <> KISAKO 2K From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Jun 23 10:33:36 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! : :In a message dated 6/23/00 9:57:10 AM, james.hogard at JUNO.COM writes: : :<< Only Hanna-Barbera cartoons have had a greater effect on my psyche. : :-Hogard : === :may i comment here? : :when i'm not having tons o' fun here at BOC-L, i'm a regular at a place :called Disaster Message Service, specifically discussions on the chechnya :conflict and what's going on in yugoslavia. at DMS, i'm "L'menexe." :on the russia page, there is a strident poster named Antonio, who routinely :rails against what he calls the "illuminati/masonic/jewish conspiracy"; in :fact he appears to believe nothing but certain papal edicts from centuries :ago. :as you might expect, i regularly blast this individual...and when he got to :the point of burning rabbis at the stake last week, i blasted him severely :enough to a degree where he's toned down such talk....for now anyway. :== :point being that there are people out there who took/take the illuminatus :trilogy seriously, even _dead_ seriously. 'Antonio' would be an example. : :never read it meself. following up on this argument, though (and similar arguments that came out after columbine and other tragedies) is that unstable folks are just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. else big brother will come down and make life severely not fun anymore :) Arin (not just 'cause I'm a great fan of the illuminatus series, m'self.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 23 10:48:04 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:48:04 EDT Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/23/00 10:36:46 AM, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: << unstable folks are just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. === but of course! no 'blame' suggested by this one. Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; and it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly hostile to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. == <> == they're working on it already, aren't they? [imho] just a little bit at a time... "<>" From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 23 11:44:17 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: > << unstable folks are > just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. > === > but of course! > no 'blame' suggested by this one. > > Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; and > it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly hostile > to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. > == > <> > == > they're working on it already, > aren't they? I've got a bunch of hobbits at the bottom of my garden, who regularly break in through the back window, mess up my living room, throw records and CD's all over the floor, drink all my beer and fill the sink with washing up. I never hear them, but just see the carnage the next morning. Bastards. Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jun 23 11:56:58 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:56:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: <051401bfdd29$e5a051b0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: I think those are dwarves.. Hobbits always clean up after themselves.. Get a dragon.. that will get rid of the pesky devils. _______________________ Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood >Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:44 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > > >> << unstable folks are >> just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. >> === >> but of course! >> no 'blame' suggested by this one. >> >> Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; >and >> it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly >hostile >> to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. >> == >> <:)>> >> == >> they're working on it already, >> aren't they? > >I've got a bunch of hobbits at the bottom of my garden, who regularly break >in through the back window, mess up my living room, throw records and CD's >all over the floor, drink all my beer and fill the sink with washing up. I >never hear them, but just see the carnage the next morning. Bastards. > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 23 12:19:18 2000 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:19:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: I think you'll find that's "dwarfs". :-) Cheers, Rish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Habiby" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > I think those are dwarves.. Hobbits always clean up after themselves.. > > Get a dragon.. that will get rid of the pesky devils. > > _______________________ > Michael S. Habiby > VP Sales and Marketing > the CableShoppe, inc. > One Prospect Ave. > Albany, NY 12206 > (800) 386-2300 > (518) 489-0269 - fax > cableshoppe at global2000.net > or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com > ________________________ > "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- > Plutarch. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > >Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:44 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > > > > > >> << unstable folks are > >> just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. > >> === > >> but of course! > >> no 'blame' suggested by this one. > >> > >> Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; > >and > >> it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly > >hostile > >> to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. > >> == > >> < >:)>> > >> == > >> they're working on it already, > >> aren't they? > > > >I've got a bunch of hobbits at the bottom of my garden, who regularly break > >in through the back window, mess up my living room, throw records and CD's > >all over the floor, drink all my beer and fill the sink with washing up. I > >never hear them, but just see the carnage the next morning. Bastards. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Fri Jun 23 12:25:45 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:25:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: Per my copy of Webster's, that's dwarfs or dwarves. Todd H -----Original Message----- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:19 AM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! I think you'll find that's "dwarfs". :-) Cheers, Rish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael S. Habiby" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > I think those are dwarves.. Hobbits always clean up after themselves.. > > Get a dragon.. that will get rid of the pesky devils. > > _______________________ > Michael S. Habiby > VP Sales and Marketing > the CableShoppe, inc. > One Prospect Ave. > Albany, NY 12206 > (800) 386-2300 > (518) 489-0269 - fax > cableshoppe at global2000.net > or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com > ________________________ > "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- > Plutarch. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Richard Lockwood > >Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:44 AM > >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > >Subject: Re: OFF: Illuminatus! > > > > > >> << unstable folks are > >> just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. > >> === > >> but of course! > >> no 'blame' suggested by this one. > >> > >> Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; > >and > >> it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly > >hostile > >> to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. > >> == > >> < >:)>> > >> == > >> they're working on it already, > >> aren't they? > > > >I've got a bunch of hobbits at the bottom of my garden, who regularly break > >in through the back window, mess up my living room, throw records and CD's > >all over the floor, drink all my beer and fill the sink with washing up. I > >never hear them, but just see the carnage the next morning. Bastards. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jun 23 13:47:32 2000 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:47:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => point being that there are people out there who took/take the illuminatus => trilogy seriously, even _dead_ seriously. 'Antonio' would be an example. The sad thing about folks like Antonio is that they are missing a big point of the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy. All these cults and conspiracies are a convenient "THEM" by which people abrogate having to take responsibility for their own lives and actions: that others control you and events, not yourself. Will you let them do that? => never read it meself. I've never been back to read it, myself. I'm not so sure how well it would stand up after reading Wilson's philosophical books and later novels... Cheers, Paul. NP: Mountain, _Over the Top_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Fri Jun 23 14:11:01 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:11:01 +0100 Subject: Off: canterbury Message-ID: This came up on the Man mailing list Cheers, ChrisW >Manband Mailing List - http://www.btinternet.com/~manband.archive/mailer.html > >For those who are interested, the Canterbury Festival now has its own >site at > >http://canterburysoundfestival.com/ > > > > >Tim. > http://www.ringsoft-designs.co.uk > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to Manband-unsubscribe at listbot.com > >GET PAINLESS BUSINESS FINANCING! >Comparison shop for, apply for, and secure financing from the >nation's best-known financial institutions. One short application >gets you the financing your business needs. Get the financing you >need today at LiveCapital.com! > >http://www.bcentral.com/fcsponsor/livecapital From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Jun 23 14:27:38 2000 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:27:38 +0200 Subject: German Hawkfan gathering Message-ID: SHLL (Scott Heller) schrieb: > Tower of Electric Onions started things off with a 90m set of space rock with > a little funk and jazz.. Nik joined them for the last 30 minutes. They sounded to my ears a bit like Caravan, Soft Machine and/or Guru Guru. I wouldn?t call it space rock. And it wasn?t that cold on friday. Anyway, ToEO were the right band to start the festival whilst lying in the sun. > Sloterdyk played a cool 1 hour set of solo space rock.. He was quite good on guitar, but the f***ing drum machine was getting on my nerves after awhile. This guy should get himself a band together. > Liquid Visions replaced the now broken up Lord Brain and really rocked the > place. Nik joined them for the last 20 minutes of the 80m set. Liquid Visions played some heavy 60?s styled psych rock with real songs and some extended jamming. Their version of "Magic Potion" really rocked. Master of the Universe with Nik was about 10 min too long IMO. > The Psuedo Sun played at 1 for the rest of the drunk folks and rocked for 86 > minutes. Santtu and myself played synths with the band.. It was a lot of fun. NO, I wasn?t drunk! Only 6 bottles of beer. Pseudo Sun?s set was great, all original songs, no covers, a real tight band. And DarkSanttu?s your synth swooshes helped a lot for some fantastic spacey music. Luckily Nik didn?t join you on stage. He was so stoned out of his mind that he forgot to get up of his couch. > Saturday, the music started with Liquid Zoo, who were more > garage.psych rock... Ok band.. Agreed. > Das Weeth experience was next and played a > sort of dreamy.neil young type music with the guitar player using feedback > and effects in an interesting way.. pretty cool... This kind of music is good for one?s ears. Nothing special, but great for a festival. > Harvey Bainbridge played > a 40m set with nik and Mr.Dibs helping out on bass, flute, sax and synths.. > This was really spaced out and excellent! Then the SPacehead band joined and > most of their original material was really pretty cool, especially the slow > numbers. They have too many Bedoiuin-Motorhead like numbers that sound to > similar... Harvey and Nik played the whole set.. They did some HW numbers > like Green Finned Demon, Golden Void, Brainstorm, Masters of the Universe, > the worst version ever of Silver Machine..... They had a very inexperienced > young drummer who was quite bad,.. changing time all the time and loosing > track of where he was.. The guitar player for spacehead also had a horrible > guitar sound.. way too much treble... the crowd really dug these guys and > they were really good for the first 80 or 90 minutes and then it went down > hill. Trev Thoms joined them on acoustic guitar and was quite out of it > having trouble even tuning the damn thing.. Added a very strange element to > the HW tunes.. They played 2.5 hours! I couldn?t get into this set. It was played too amateurish for my ears. Only the synths were brilliant. And Harvey is a nice person. It was not a good ending for such a great festival. Anyway, it was a fantastic weekend and I?m sure I will be there next year again for the 5th time. Andreas From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Fri Jun 23 14:58:46 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:58:46 -0700 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! Message-ID: So, what's with the blank message? > fnord From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jun 23 15:06:15 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:06:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: <200006231858.LAA19279@bob.te-cats.com > Message-ID: When you are Illuminated you begin to see the fnords.. fnords are the static that media puts in everything they do to keep us sheep Or something like that fnord From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jun 23 17:03:12 2000 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Zebulon Mysterioso) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:03:12 GMT Subject: OFF: Julian May Message-ID: Have to say, I read the whole Saga of the Exiles, and it wore me down, the story was good, but it was soo dry. When my other half recommended reading the new Rampart Worlds books, I resisted, but I now can't wait for the third one to be released, as they are easy to read, and very enjoyable, a nice combination of Sciene-Fiction AND Fantasy. Nice. > > Starting to get some feedback is this thread... For my > > part I thought the JM set was pretty bloody good, the ONLY > > author who's work I've hated was Stephen Donaldson and his > > double quintet of extended overblown flowery lit. !! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 23 16:10:58 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:10:58 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request Message-ID: > >Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > >have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. > > >-snip-< > >So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be > >appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so > >many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. ========================= Not forgetting one of the finest ever albums to mix Moroccan and Western in the form of the amazing 'Sahara Electric' by Dissidenten. Andy Garibaldi. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 23 18:55:20 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:55:20 -0700 Subject: HW DIY CD Covers Message-ID: That would be Kevin Sommers' Novadrive page: http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/ ... which I just checked and is not responding :^( And Kevin hasn't posted to the list in over a month ... are you out there, man? -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:32:53 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >I recall there was a web site which featured album covers designed by the >author of the page. Does it still exist, and if so, where (I'm after a copy >of the jewel-case cover of Dawn Of Hawkwind)? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 23 19:02:50 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:02:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <000901bfdccd$fff7cea0$7f6040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, flossbac wrote: > I also have the remaster of Xenon, and I think it's a huge improvement in > the sound quality.... a lot of that murkiness of the instruments on the > original has been wiped away and the sounds are much clearer. Ooh. What with your and Andy G.'s positive answers, I shall have to add the remaster to the want list. A while before it'll be fulfilled given how the amount I've spent on music recently balances to my income, but I'm still quite chuffed with the results. For 28.99 British kalamaris all told, I have acquired Black Sabbath's _Sabotage_, _Safe as Milk_ by Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band, remasters both, _Leftism_by Leftfield, _Back in the USA_ by the MC5, and today _Hater_ by the band of the same name, and all are excellent, even if _Leftism_ isn't *quite* as good as I thought it was. So no more music for me for a bit. It's not like it was a big gap since my last binge after all :-) Yours, Jon (and thanks for feedback on XC) -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 23 19:07:33 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:07:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 6/23/00 10:36:46 AM, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: > > << unstable folks are > just that, and one cannot blame the source material for the act. > === > but of course! > no 'blame' suggested by this one. > > Antonio's particular style of WACK happened to fit in w/the discussion; and > it wouldnt take _too_ much digging to find people who were similarly hostile > to/ afraid of the tolkien trilogy. > == > <> > == > they're working on it already, > aren't they? > > [imho] > > just a little bit at a time... Underneath Virginia... I'm sorry, that was terribly OFF... Yours, Jon ObCD: Hater - _Hater_ -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 23 19:13:42 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:13:42 -0700 Subject: OFF: reccomendations? Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:21:04 +0100, bart wrote: >> > Swans > >I have one of thier discs somewhere Holy Money/Greed, but its hard work. That's from their seriously heavy/pouding/brutal/abrasive period. Someone else mentioned 'Children of God', which I'd recommend as an excellent transitional album from that stuff to the Jarboe-era more melodic (but just as dark) material. >As for Nurse With Wound / Throbbing Gristle people, Chris & Cosey have done >some quite excellent ambient stuff in recent years, the CTI / Library of Sound >series for starters. I can hardly say I've kept up with C&C very well. Some of their stuff is lame and disco-ish, but as you point out, some is very good. >Whilst we're fishin for reccommendations in this area, anybody want to >enlighten me on the following ? > >Current 93 Spooky pagan folk stuff. Highly recommended if you like Coil's creepier/quieter material. BUT ... if you're planning on checking out Current 93, you should do yourself the favor of listening to the album that HEAVILY influenced them - 'First Utterance' by Comus (C93 titled one of their albums 'Second Utterance'). It's spooky, creepy, abrasive (despite nearly all of the instruments being acoustic), nightmarish, but not overbearing (although somewhat affected, perhaps). Imagine Fairport Convention / Steeleye Span / Trees / Incredible String Band on a seriously BAD acid or PCP trip. Extremely evil stuff that demonstrates that Satanic music (darkly pagan, actually, in this case) does not have to be metallic. It's been reissued on vinyl (with a bonus 12"EP, and probably on CD) by one of those Italian labels (Get Back, Abraxas ... ?) who are doing nice vinyl pressings these days (speaking of vinyl pressings - hey Scott Heller! If you're reading this, where did you get the Dark Sun 'Ice Ritual' LP pressed? It is one of the nicest, best-sounding pieces of vinyl I have ever seen/heard/grabbed in my grubby hands). However, the second Comus album (the one that Keith Hale played on before joining Hawkwind) is said to truly suck in a big way. I've never heard it, but no one I know who has has disagreed with that assessment. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Jun 23 19:41:05 2000 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:41:05 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request In-Reply-To: <006101bfdd66$edd93120$580dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Indeed, this album is a 100% bona fide classic. Alasdair On 23 Jun 00, at 21:10, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote: > Not forgetting one of the finest ever albums to mix Moroccan and > Western in the form of the amazing 'Sahara Electric' by Dissidenten. > Andy Garibaldi. > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Fri Jun 23 20:34:20 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:34:20 +0200 Subject: HW Family Box Set Message-ID: Hello William, I've bought it and it's really dodgy. Cleopatra (the label) had some CD's left in stock,so they came up with this: -HAWKWIND:The Psychedelic Warlords (compilation CD) -NIK TURNER:Prophets of Time -SPIRAL REALMS:Trip To G9 And then the surprise CD: -Steve Peregrine Took:The Missing Link To Tyrannosaurus Rex(The only conection to Hawkwind is that he seems(!) to have played some tambourine on a few hawkind gigs and the Hawks did there only playback on The Marc Bolan Show!! How far is this connected???? Anyhow,it's all packed in a new cardbox,but it's really collecting cash on fans.If you have the 3 albums,it's really not worth having. best wishes filip hawknut ----- Original Message ----- From: William Duffy To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: HW Family Box Set > Hi all > > Here in Australia on the Sanity Web site www.sanity.com.au they have the > Family Box Set listed. I've heard about this before, but don't know too much > about what's on it? Also, I wasn't aware it was actually released yet? > > Any info? > > William From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jun 23 21:21:32 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:21:32 -0700 Subject: HW DIY CD Covers Message-ID: I'm here, I'm here....... I've been away on business trips quite a bit lately, but back for now. As for the web site, that one has been down for about a year; the current one is: http://members.home.net/novadrive Kevin Sommers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Pearson" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:55 PM Subject: Re: HW DIY CD Covers > That would be Kevin Sommers' Novadrive page: > > http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/ > > ... which I just checked and is not responding :^( > > And Kevin hasn't posted to the list in over a month ... are you out there, > man? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:32:53 +0800, William Duffy wrote: > >I recall there was a web site which featured album covers designed by the > >author of the page. Does it still exist, and if so, where (I'm after a copy > >of the jewel-case cover of Dawn Of Hawkwind)? From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jun 24 17:22:44 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:22:44 -0500 Subject: Other: Scorn- Colossus Message-ID: Do Scorn - 'Colossus' era (93-95), sound as good as Hawkwind (same era) 'Electric Tepee', 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous' . Or are they completely different. In ya'lls opinion. W. From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Jun 24 18:16:02 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:16:02 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request Message-ID: There is an excellent compilation of modern Algerian/Arabic music called Arabesque featuring Natacha Atlas, Rachid Taha, Khaled, Cheb Mami and others. Steve Hillage has had a hand in it, it's all good stuff. It should be easy enough to obtain. The Gong Site stocks it... Andy G should be able to get it for you too. A good site for arabic music is: www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/4944/music.htm If you are ever in Paris the Arabic section of the Virgin megastore is massive. Good listening Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chris Warburton To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 23 June 2000 00:39 Subject: Re: more reccomendation request >At 01:32 22/06/00, scorch wrote: >>Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that >>have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. >> >-snip-< >>So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be >>appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so >>many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. Also, >>how is Ofra Haza? > >I'd go along with Andy Gilham's suggestions, adding Ms. Atlas' work with >Transglobal Underground. You might also like to look a little further East >towards Indian/Pakistani influences via Talvin Singh's "OK", Sheila Chandra >and "One and One is One" by Joi > > >>Finally in this vein, if someone can point out a really good album >>of Sufi music..... > >The obvious (and readily available) exponent is Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (also >deceased) who recorded stuff for Real World Records - though the purists >would complain that a lot of it was adulterated, particularly some of the >things with Michael Brook. > >I have a double set called "Echos Du Paradis - Sufi Soul" on a German label >"Network", serial No. 26.982. It comes in a nice double height digipak >with notes and pictures. The 21 tracks cover quite a wide spectrum of >Sufi music from Morocco & Senegal, through Egypt, Iran, Syria, Kurdistan, >Turkey to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan & Uzbekistan. No >URL I'm afraid. > >Hope that helped... >ChrisW >NP:Joi - One and One is One > From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Fri Jun 23 21:07:04 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:07:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Illuminatus! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:24 23/06/00, you wrote: >ps> Tex Avery was gawd. >==== And Chuck Jones sat at his right hand (as 'twere) ChrisW NP:Faithless - Sunday 8PM From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Sat Jun 24 20:43:38 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:43:38 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request In-Reply-To: <006101bfdd66$edd93120$580dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: At 21:10 23/06/00, you wrote: > > >Over the last few years I've taken a strong liking to songs that > > >have a strong Middle Eastern vibe to them. > > > >-snip-< > > >So, anything along those lines that you can suggest would be > > >appreciated. I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so > > >many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. >========================= >Not forgetting one of the finest ever albums to mix Moroccan and Western in >the form of the amazing 'Sahara Electric' by Dissidenten. >Andy Garibaldi. And I forgot to mention "Celtarabia" - they're a strange mix of Celtic folk, arabian & dance/trance, mostly acoustic. I have a couple of Muslimgauze tracks on a sampler - they are pretty impressive, but I don't know how representative they are... ChrisW Off to beddy-byes.... From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 25 04:54:28 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:54:28 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge In-Reply-To: <5b.780b778.2683759b@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <5b.780b778.2683759b at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >In the past >Stonehenge was a focus of Class war- New Age versus >the Old Aged and the rich folks living down there in >pretty southern England. Yeah, well, maybe. Some of us didn't go to Stonehenge to go to war. We just used to piss off afterwards into the Welsh mountains and get on with it, man.... -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Jun 25 06:55:51 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:55:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Message-ID: In a message dated 6/25/00 6:47:46 AM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << Yeah, well, maybe. Some of us didn't go to Stonehenge to go to war. >> ===== i know little-to-nuffink about such matters, meself... those were the comments of my cyberfriend, jo who currently lives amongst the swiss. "<>" The ROZZ-TOX MANIFESTO From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Jun 25 06:57:16 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:57:16 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Message-ID: The problem with the Stonehenge festival is that it got too big. I think that the last one in 84 had 60000 at it. Although some hung around to clear up afterwards they could do a cosmetic operation only. The festival was fun, but, if I'm honest I wouldn't like a free festival of that size and duration round the corner from me. A small scale one okay but not that size. The woods were full of human shit and the local rivers turned into latrines (the site was a paradise compared to the woods), a lot of the locals had real problems with thefts from gardens etc etc. A victim of it's own success perhaps. Even members of Hawkwind said they wouldn't loke to be in the local's shoes. I've just finished watching Glastonbury on the TV, too big and too mainstream. Gong featured in the soundtrack to the Michael Eavis documentary Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 25 June 2000 11:48 Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge >In article <5b.780b778.2683759b at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >>In the past >>Stonehenge was a focus of Class war- New Age versus >>the Old Aged and the rich folks living down there in >>pretty southern England. > >Yeah, well, maybe. Some of us didn't go to Stonehenge to go to war. > >We just used to piss off afterwards into the Welsh mountains and get on >with it, man.... > >-- >Jon > From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sun Jun 25 07:06:35 2000 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:06:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: HI, is any one looking for the Griffin releases. I have new unopened copes of: Live Seventy nine Quark Strangeness And Charm Hawklords live It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous Electrie Tepee Out & Intake Church Of The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Solstice Remixes Undisclosed Files Addendum Zones From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 25 05:54:53 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:54:53 +0100 Subject: Other: Scorn- Colossus Message-ID: Try 'completely different' and then add some and you're still not even close!!!! However in answer to 'as good' then, no, not as good. But in their own right as good, then, yes, Scorn are good. As dark ambient-dub-industrial soundscapes go, this lot are great. Andy Garibaldi. ======================= > Do Scorn - 'Colossus' era (93-95), sound as good as Hawkwind (same era) > 'Electric Tepee', 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous' . > Or are they completely different. In ya'lls opinion. > W. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 25 06:57:27 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:57:27 +0100 Subject: more reccomendation request Message-ID: Subject: Re: more reccomendation request > Check out O Yuki Conjugate for that ethinic ambient kind of thing - the one I have is _Peyote_ ----------------- Anything is great but 'Under Currents' and 'Equator' are superb. I put them on in concert at a festival I did back inh '86 or '87 - they scared the crap out of the synth fans with more drums and percussion than you could shake a rainstick at, but what a set - I really must release it one day!! Also, some of Steve Roach's more recent stuff is in this vein, like the semi live album _On This Planet' ------------------ Hmm,,,,great artist but not so sure for this purpose I've been curious about Muslimgauze but with so many discs in the bin I'm hesitant about a random grab. I too have been curious about Muslimgauze. I recall a review of a retrospective CD (maybe a double or more ?) which came out last year; the review seemed to suggest this gave a good intro. Also the album _Citadel_, but with so many releases you might get a stinker. I'd be interested to know your opinion though. ---------------------------- I've done a load of Muslimgauze CD reviews for the CD Services catalogues, so if anyone would like those e.mailing to them, then just send me a reminder to: agcdser at aol.com Thanks, Andy Garibaldi. se, heard good things a looong time ago on rec.music.industrial about a collection called Twilight Earth, kind of tribal darkwave material. > Tim From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jun 25 07:40:14 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:40:14 -0500 Subject: Other: Scorn- Colossus In-Reply-To: <01a801bfde99$ee59fa60$9613bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Thank You Andy for your valued opinion. Anyone else know of Colossus? At 10:54 AM 06/25/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Try 'completely different' and then add some and you're still not even >close!!!! >However in answer to 'as good' then, no, not as good. But in their own right >as good, then, yes, Scorn are good. >As dark ambient-dub-industrial soundscapes go, this lot are great. >Andy Garibaldi. >======================= >> Do Scorn - 'Colossus' era (93-95), sound as good as Hawkwind (same era) >> 'Electric Tepee', 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous' . >> Or are they completely different. In ya'lls opinion. >> W. > From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jun 25 07:57:35 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 06:57:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmys Backing Vox Message-ID: Lemmys backing vocals are great. W. From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Sun Jun 25 10:59:17 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:29:17 +0930 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: Quark Strangeness And Charm would love it ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: HW: Griffin > HI, > is any one looking for the Griffin releases. > I have new unopened copes of: > > Live Seventy nine > Quark Strangeness And Charm > Hawklords live > It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous > Electrie Tepee > Out & Intake > Church Of > The Chronicle Of The Black Sword > Solstice Remixes > Undisclosed Files Addendum > Zones > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jun 25 11:34:56 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:56 +0800 Subject: CD with Dave Brock interview? Message-ID: Hi there There was a CD released, which I think was a reissue of Text of Festival (one of thousands!!!), which I recall apparantly came with an interview CD with Dave Brock. What was the title of the release, & was the interview the same one that was released on vinyl about 10 years ago as part of a box set? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jun 25 11:36:59 2000 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:36:59 +0800 Subject: HW DIY CD Covers Message-ID: Hi there Thanks for posting the new address. It's a great site, that I can recommended to all! William > I'm here, I'm here....... > I've been away on business trips quite a bit lately, but back for now. > As for the web site, that one has been down for about a year; the current > one is: > http://members.home.net/novadrive > > Kevin Sommers > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Pearson" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: HW DIY CD Covers > > > > That would be Kevin Sommers' Novadrive page: > > > > http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/ > > > > ... which I just checked and is not responding :^( > > > > And Kevin hasn't posted to the list in over a month ... are you out there, > > man? > > > > -Doug > > ceres at sirius.com > > > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:32:53 +0800, William Duffy > wrote: > > >I recall there was a web site which featured album covers designed by the > > >author of the page. Does it still exist, and if so, where (I'm after a > copy > > >of the jewel-case cover of Dawn Of Hawkwind)? > From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sun Jun 25 11:51:16 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:51:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000625060635.00865d70@pop.interaccess.com> Message-ID: Quark Strangeness and Charm would make my day. Been looking for a replacement for a LONG time. My discman got swiped (nicked for you UK'ers) and it had my ever-favorite QS&C in it. Still have the case :( At 06:06 AM 6/25/00 -0500, you wrote: >HI, >is any one looking for the Griffin releases. >I have new unopened copes of: > >Live Seventy nine >Quark Strangeness And Charm >Hawklords live >It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous >Electrie Tepee >Out & Intake >Church Of >The Chronicle Of The Black Sword >Solstice Remixes >Undisclosed Files Addendum >Zones From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Jun 25 11:53:24 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:53:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Relayed from Carl Anderson Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:11:55 EDT From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Subject: Rockin on up the Charts (sort of) All right! One of my demo tracks ("Ossian's Way") has made it to the Top 40 on the MP3.com Doom/Stoner Charts. Well, Number 39, anyway ... :) I encourage you and everyone you know to download the fuck out of them to see whether it can be sent higher ... well, and to spread the music around, of course :) Get those lazy beggars in RockSoc or on BOC-L (or, hell, on the Stoner Rock list, though they might know better :) who have nothing better to do with their computers rocking. Spacerock-recorded-in-a-closet is coming to a net near you! http://www.mp3.com/Scylding/ Cheers, Carl From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Jun 25 12:10:49 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:10:49 -0500 Subject: CD with Dave Brock interview? Message-ID: That interview with DB is found on the "Golden Void 1969-1979" 2-CD compilation put out on Purple Pyramid (a.k.a. Cleopatra), and it is the same one that appeared in the Official Picture Log Book box set of albums put out by Flicknife. John Majka > There was a CD released, which I think was a reissue of Text of Festival > (one of thousands!!!), which I recall apparantly came with an interview CD > with Dave Brock. What was the title of the release, & was the interview the > same one that was released on vinyl about 10 years ago as part of a box set? > > William > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 25 12:29:19 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:29:19 +0100 Subject: German Hawkfan gathering In-Reply-To: <135YB0-0cpkEUC@fwd01.sul.t-online.de> Message-ID: In message <135YB0-0cpkEUC at fwd01.sul.t-online.de>, Andreas Stuewe writes >Their version of "Magic Potion" really rocked. Master of the >Universe with Nik was about 10 min too long IMO. These are two numbers are the same song just about, aren't they? Open Mind did the original, I know Sundial covered it, who else did a version then? -- Jon From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jun 26 16:49:38 2000 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:49:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: flush Britney Message-ID: Kind of fun . . . http://www.ifuse.com/spearbritney -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jun 26 07:48:12 2000 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:48:12 +0100 Subject: Other: Scorn- Colossus In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:54:53 BST." <01a801bfde99$ee59fa60$9613bc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: I don't know about the Colossus comp, but I some Scorn could *possibly* be likened to some tracks on IITB..., such as 'Exodus'. The album _Evanescence_ onwards has been described as 'dub-core' but the later stuff is more electronica. Early albums (as I suspect Colossus might reference ) influenced more by Harris' Napalm Death days iirc. Tim > Try 'completely different' and then add some and you're still not even > close!!!! > However in answer to 'as good' then, no, not as good. But in their own right > as good, then, yes, Scorn are good. > As dark ambient-dub-industrial soundscapes go, this lot are great. > Andy Garibaldi. > ======================= > > Do Scorn - 'Colossus' era (93-95), sound as good as Hawkwind (same era) > > 'Electric Tepee', 'It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous' . > > Or are they completely different. In ya'lls opinion. > > W. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 26 08:48:02 2000 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:48:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Webcast on 6/27/00 Message-ID: Don't know if this made it to the list or not: We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Blue Oyster Cult Video Cyberast on hob.com Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 Time: 6:00PM - 7:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) Don't miss this broadcast of a performance recorded live at the House of Blues Orlando back on May 5, 2000. This concert is pay-per-view for broadband access (100k or better) and is *free* for access at or below 56k. For more info about the video cybercast and to tune in, go to: http://www.hob.com/live/events/000627blueoystercult_vh1ppv/index.asp From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jun 26 08:16:14 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:16:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Webcast on 6/27/00 Message-ID: At 08:48 AM 6/26/2000 -0400, John A. Swartz wrote: >Don't know if this made it to the list or not: > >We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > >Blue Oyster Cult Video Cyberast on hob.com > >Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 >Time: 6:00PM - 7:00PM PDT (GMT-07:00) > >Don't miss this broadcast of a performance recorded live at the >House of Blues Orlando back on May 5, 2000. > >This concert is pay-per-view for broadband access (100k or >better) >and is *free* for access at or below 56k. I didn't see this show, saw them the night after (May 6) at Seafest, spoke with several fans who saw that show and they all said it was an outstanding show.... I caught them at the House of Blues the year before, its a great venue and the band seemed really "on" that night, too. .... Did you say "PDT"... crap, I'd have to take off work to catch that show.... 3:00 pm on this coast.... Does anyone know a way to do a unnattended timed recording of such an audio feed? "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 26 14:00:13 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:00:13 -0700 Subject: HW: CD with Dave Brock interview? Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:10:49 -0500, flossbac wrote: >That interview with DB is found on the "Golden Void 1969-1979" 2-CD >compilation put out on Purple Pyramid (a.k.a. Cleopatra), and it is the same >one that appeared in the Official Picture Log Book box set of albums put out >by Flicknife. >John Majka That's correct. Keep in mind that the version of "Robot" on that CD is the 'Friends & Relations' vol.1 version with the last 2-1/2 minutes of the song chopped off! Caveat Emptor. -Doug ceres at sirius.com >> There was a CD released ... which I recall apparantly came with an >>interview CD with Dave Brock. >> William From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET Mon Jun 26 12:18:32 2000 From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Webcast on 6/27/00 In-Reply-To: <200006261216.IAA24761@issfire2.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 13:16 26/06/00, you wrote: >At 08:48 AM 6/26/2000 -0400, John A. Swartz wrote: > >Did you say "PDT"... crap, I'd have to take off work to catch that show.... >3:00 pm on this coast.... So, which planet are YOU living on ChrisW On BST (that's PDT +8 I think...) so that's "Oh crap, doesn't start till 2 a.m." >Does anyone know a way to do a unnattended timed recording of such an audio >feed? >"Left behind by the latest trends... > eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... > - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon >=============== >Andrew Apold From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 26 18:19:29 2000 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:19:29 -0700 Subject: HW: XC & IitBotFtbD Message-ID: Because they're my personal lowest-rated Hawkwind ("real") studio albums without the RCA/Active imprint on them, I followed the crowd and revisited 'Xenon Codex' and 'It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous' (IitBotFtbD) this weekend. I can't say that my opinions were changed, but I did come up with an interesting observation/approach with respect to the latter ... With respect to Xenon Codex, John Stanton mentioned on Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:51:25 -0000: >I like a number of the songs on Xenon but the leaden drumming and esp the >dreaded "gated snare"/Dancing In the Dark drum sound/80's production pretty >much kills the lp for me. These are the biggest problems for me with the overall sound of the album. I don't find it murky, muffled, indistinct, poorly-mixed, or anything else that other folks mentioned. It sounds perfectly clear to me - I wish it didn't, because then I wouldn't have to hear the gawdawful 80s production cliches that it's encumbered with. The digital processing on Huw's leads sound like crap! Just like the gated digital reverb on the snare. And the digital (sampled? DX7?) "piano" on "Lost Chronicles" sounds pathetic. Of course, the late 80s were a very bad time for this sort of thing, so I'll still give the band credit for managing to get good synth sounds on the record (of course, a Hawkwind album *without* good synth sounds would be unthinkable!). Danny Thompson's drumming has been commented on enough, so I'll just say that the tracks with drum machine on them ("Wastelands of Sleep", "EMC") come as a relief - never thought I'd say THAT. As for the album content, none of it is bad; it's a very solid example of late-80s Hawkwind. But I find many of the songs to be forgettable generic HW-rockers: "The War I Survived", "Neon Skyline" & "Sword of the East" definitely fall into that category (fortunately Alan's songwriting improved greatly for the next few HW albums he was on). Then again, I'm confounded by the stuff on the album I *do* find most interesting: "Mutation Zone" and "Good Evening". The former is obviously very un-Hawkwind at first listen, but Harvey's sense of humor (something that saves a lot of their 80s output for me) is quite apparent in it, and I'd say it's yet another case of the band being too-far ahead of their time (the kids these days love that rap/metal/industrial stuff, right?). And I'm probably a small minority, but "Good Evening" might be my absolute favorite 80s Hawkwind studio track; it sounds like it came out of a jam session (something that holds true for a good deal of 'Electric Teepee' and IitBotFtbD, but that doesn't seem to work well on those albums IMO), but they did great things with the jam session in the studio! I wish there was more recent Hawkwind that sounded like that track, loose and weird ... As a Hawkwind album, I never thought too highly of 'IitBotFtbD', but while listening this weekend, I realized what it *really* is: a Richard Chadwick solo album, with Brock & Davey on guest synths (and verrrry occasional guitars). The drumming on this album is phenomenal (completely the opposite of 'Xenon Codex'), but, IMO, the only truly remarkable thing about the album. The Brock/Davey/Chadwick collaborations (title track, "Let Barking Dogs Lie", "Avante") are perfect examples of this - lots of synth noodling with some great drumming. "Space is Their (Palestine)" goes on for 2 or 3 times as long as it should ... but if Nik was playing flute on it, it would be the perfect length (I would *highly* recommend listening to this studio track and filling in some imaginary flute in your head ... really!). I still find the lack of guitar on the album disappointing (and what's there sounds like too much aimless noodling to me) after all this time, and even Alan's bass playing is mostly unremarkable (?!?). The cover of "Gimme Shelter" has got to be one of the most pointless things they ever recorded (but it got me thinking - what if they had run short of the Brock demo material used on 'PXR5' and had to put a live recording of "Waiting For My Man" on that album instead? That would've been interesting, although perhaps pointless, too.); at least when you remember that it's a Chadwick solo album, it makes sense. Come to think of it, Richard's co-written many of the best songs on the last two Hawkwind albums ("Wheels", "Hippy") ... perhaps a "real" solo album could be in the works ... (and this gives me high hopes for the Chadwick/Richards tour this summer) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From shmucking at YAHOO.COM Mon Jun 26 18:42:28 2000 From: shmucking at YAHOO.COM (Ian Rosen) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:42:28 -0700 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: It's fascinating to hear the opinions about Xenon Codex. I love the album, and the songs I like the best are the that Doug liked the least. It does have some cheesy synth sounds, but I'm a sucker for that sort of thing. And Hawkwind do it very well, in my view. Sword Of The East, The War I Survived, Neon Skyline are very fun to listen to on headphones. I'll have to listen to Good Evening and Mutation Zone again. Those songs didn't do much for me when I first heard them. It's very interesting to hear the various opinions on the different Hawkwind albums. Gives me a fresh perspective on their vast oeuvre. What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what became of Bridget? Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 26 18:51:08 2000 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:51:08 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: > What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has > brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what > became of Bridget? I heard - and I forget where from - that she became pregnant during the US HW SB tour and it was game over... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jun 26 20:28:02 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:28:02 -0400 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <20000626224228.26741.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: >What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has >brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what >became of Bridget? I liked Bridget's vocals, never heard her live, though. Space Bandits... Images is one I listen to now and then, ditto for Ghost Dance, which works well for me. Though I'd probably not listen to it in public. I liked Bridget's vocals on both of these. Wings... ah, forgettable, never noticed it much. TV suicide... I like parts of this song. Others I don't care for at all. I liked the way it worked into and out of other stuff more, say, on California Brainstorm than on Space Bandits. I'm forgetting some song, I think. Which probably shows how memorable it was to me. I only recalled Wings because of the note about how 10% of the profits of the song went to some fund for pilots (don't spend it all in one place). I love the cover artwork on Space Bandits. The one Wishart thing I keep wanting to hear (and haven't gotten ahold of yet) is something called "Star Song". ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Mon Jun 26 21:04:52 2000 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:04:52 -0700 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: > > I heard - and I forget where from - that she became pregnant during the US > HW SB tour and it was game over... > Er, wasn't me, honest! Even though she was pretty much right on top of me at the Cal. Brainstorm show..... :) scorch From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Mon Jun 26 21:26:14 2000 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:26:14 -0400 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <00c301bfdfc1$6b354a80$176aa8c0@lastminute.com> Message-ID: Hmm, thats interesting because I had heard that her "man" back in the UK was tired of her gigging (I think 3 tours back-to-back) and she relented. If that is the case, then the US tour-induced "condition" would have really made things pretty dicey back home. Performance-wise, she gave it her all, even under cramped conditions (some of the US venues didn't have big stages). I did run into her before a few gigs, and she seemed really "edgey". Could have been the focused state some go into before a performance, could have been attitude. Guess I'll never know. I did run into Richard before one gig in a pizza joint next to the venue. He had ordered a cheese pizza for himself (must be veggie?) and couldn't finish it - so he invited my friend and I to join him. We helped him out of his quandry, and had a really nice chat to boot. One of those great memories I will always have . . . At 11:51 PM 6/26/00 +0100, you wrote: >> What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has >> brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what >> became of Bridget? > >I heard - and I forget where from - that she became pregnant during the US >HW SB tour and it was game over... > >--- >Kevin Perry >Sonic Energy Authority >http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/ > >"It is the business of the future to be dangerous; >and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its >duties." From flossbac at NLCI.COM Mon Jun 26 21:50:32 2000 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:50:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Bandits Message-ID: I rather like all those songs on Xenon Codex that people have been complaining about. I think "The War I Survived" is actually among HW's best songs... even DT's terrible drumming actually works on this song because it sounds very metronomic, almost like a drum machine, and really accents things a lot. And the lead guitar on "Lost Chronicles" is possibly my favorite guitar solo by anyone ever! Huw could certainly pull off some amazing pieces sometimes. I liked Space Bandits right from the start when it came out. I don't mind Bridgett's vocals a bit, although I'm not sure she could sing very well live (but then hey, neither can anyone in HW except Dave). IITBOTFTBD has what I consider to be Richard's ideal drum production sound.....either this album or The Business Trip, anyway. I wish they'd go with that production sound on the drums forever! Electric Tepee had pretty crappy drum production with those big Rock Reverbs on the snare etc....it just sounds a bit contrived and silly. John Majka From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Mon Jun 26 22:02:08 2000 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:02:08 -0400 Subject: XC & IitBotFtbD In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000626151929.00991e20@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: I am not so hard on these albums but yes some parts are a bit dodgy. However I must come to the defense of "Space is Their (Palestine)". As the token Arab (yea an I have blond hair and blue eyes too. Go figure). I just love the interweaving of the classic Arab folk themes within this song. To me this is the epitome of the long spacey rock from this era. As for length.. well I didn't know there could be a Hawkwind song that is too long. If I were to rate it, I do prefer Electric Teepee over IitBotFtbD over Xenon codex. Space Bandits is somewhere in there but I am not sure where. But that is just personal preference. Unlike many of my comrades across the pond I had no idea these albums even existed until Griffen started releasing them in the 90's. So all of these albums.. from Church of Hawkwind (which I did have) to Electric Teepee were quite a revelation to someone who cut his teeth on 25 yrs on, and Quark Strangeness and Charm. I wonder if the Dr. Who fans (few there are on this list) would agree that like whichever Doctor you cut your teeth on, many fans favorite Hawkwind era.. or certainly the one looked on with the least amount of criticism .. is the one we discovered Hawkwind in. so to speak. Michael Samir Habiby :) -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Doug Pearson Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 6:19 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: HW: XC & IitBotFtbD Because they're my personal lowest-rated Hawkwind ("real") studio albums without the RCA/Active imprint on them, I followed the crowd and revisited 'Xenon Codex' and 'It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous' (IitBotFtbD) this weekend. I can't say that my opinions were changed, but I did come up with an interesting observation/approach with respect to the latter ... With respect to Xenon Codex, John Stanton mentioned on Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:51:25 -0000: >I like a number of the songs on Xenon but the leaden drumming and esp the >dreaded "gated snare"/Dancing In the Dark drum sound/80's production pretty >much kills the lp for me. These are the biggest problems for me with the overall sound of the album. I don't find it murky, muffled, indistinct, poorly-mixed, or anything else that other folks mentioned. It sounds perfectly clear to me - I wish it didn't, because then I wouldn't have to hear the gawdawful 80s production cliches that it's encumbered with. The digital processing on Huw's leads sound like crap! Just like the gated digital reverb on the snare. And the digital (sampled? DX7?) "piano" on "Lost Chronicles" sounds pathetic. Of course, the late 80s were a very bad time for this sort of thing, so I'll still give the band credit for managing to get good synth sounds on the record (of course, a Hawkwind album *without* good synth sounds would be unthinkable!). Danny Thompson's drumming has been commented on enough, so I'll just say that the tracks with drum machine on them ("Wastelands of Sleep", "EMC") come as a relief - never thought I'd say THAT. As for the album content, none of it is bad; it's a very solid example of late-80s Hawkwind. But I find many of the songs to be forgettable generic HW-rockers: "The War I Survived", "Neon Skyline" & "Sword of the East" definitely fall into that category (fortunately Alan's songwriting improved greatly for the next few HW albums he was on). Then again, I'm confounded by the stuff on the album I *do* find most interesting: "Mutation Zone" and "Good Evening". The former is obviously very un-Hawkwind at first listen, but Harvey's sense of humor (something that saves a lot of their 80s output for me) is quite apparent in it, and I'd say it's yet another case of the band being too-far ahead of their time (the kids these days love that rap/metal/industrial stuff, right?). And I'm probably a small minority, but "Good Evening" might be my absolute favorite 80s Hawkwind studio track; it sounds like it came out of a jam session (something that holds true for a good deal of 'Electric Teepee' and IitBotFtbD, but that doesn't seem to work well on those albums IMO), but they did great things with the jam session in the studio! I wish there was more recent Hawkwind that sounded like that track, loose and weird ... As a Hawkwind album, I never thought too highly of 'IitBotFtbD', but while listening this weekend, I realized what it *really* is: a Richard Chadwick solo album, with Brock & Davey on guest synths (and verrrry occasional guitars). The drumming on this album is phenomenal (completely the opposite of 'Xenon Codex'), but, IMO, the only truly remarkable thing about the album. The Brock/Davey/Chadwick collaborations (title track, "Let Barking Dogs Lie", "Avante") are perfect examples of this - lots of synth noodling with some great drumming. "Space is Their (Palestine)" goes on for 2 or 3 times as long as it should ... but if Nik was playing flute on it, it would be the perfect length (I would *highly* recommend listening to this studio track and filling in some imaginary flute in your head ... really!). I still find the lack of guitar on the album disappointing (and what's there sounds like too much aimless noodling to me) after all this time, and even Alan's bass playing is mostly unremarkable (?!?). The cover of "Gimme Shelter" has got to be one of the most pointless things they ever recorded (but it got me thinking - what if they had run short of the Brock demo material used on 'PXR5' and had to put a live recording of "Waiting For My Man" on that album instead? That would've been interesting, although perhaps pointless, too.); at least when you remember that it's a Chadwick solo album, it makes sense. Come to think of it, Richard's co-written many of the best songs on the last two Hawkwind albums ("Wheels", "Hippy") ... perhaps a "real" solo album could be in the works ... (and this gives me high hopes for the Chadwick/Richards tour this summer) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jun 26 23:40:38 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:40:38 -0400 Subject: XC & IitBotFtbD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I wonder if the Dr. Who fans (few there are on this list) would agree that >like whichever Doctor you cut your teeth on, many fans favorite Hawkwind >era.. or certainly the one looked on with the least amount of criticism .. >is the one we discovered Hawkwind in. so to speak. Nah, I started on It is the Future, and it immediately ceased to be my favorite once I got anything else (Chronicle of the Black Sword was my second album, then got some of the UA 70's stuff). My favorite era is one of the ones I was lacking until much, much later, the late 70's Calvert era... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU Tue Jun 27 01:12:05 2000 From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (michael blackman) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:42:05 +0930 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: I agree with you about xenon codex. its a great album ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Rosen To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: Xenon Codex > It's fascinating to hear the opinions about Xenon > Codex. I love the album, and the songs I like the > best are the that Doug liked the least. It does have > some cheesy synth sounds, but I'm a sucker for that > sort of thing. And Hawkwind do it very well, in my > view. Sword Of The East, The War I Survived, Neon > Skyline are very fun to listen to on headphones. I'll > have to listen to Good Evening and Mutation Zone > again. Those songs didn't do much for me when I first > heard them. > > It's very interesting to hear the various opinions on > the different Hawkwind albums. Gives me a fresh > perspective on their vast oeuvre. > > What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has > brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what > became of Bridget? > > Ian > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Jun 27 02:01:49 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:01:49 +0200 Subject: AW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Hi >The one Wishart thing I keep wanting to hear (and haven't >gotten ahold of yet) is something called "Star Song". You can find STAR SONG on every gig during 1989-1990. It is the song after NIGHT OF THE HAWKS Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 27 09:02:35 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:02:35 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:57:16 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: > The problem with the Stonehenge festival is that it got too big. I think > that the last one in 84 had 60000 at it. Although some hung around to clear > up afterwards they could do a cosmetic operation only. The festival was fun, > but, if I'm honest I wouldn't like a free festival of that size and duration > round the corner from me. A small scale one okay but not that size. The > woods were full of human shit and the local rivers turned into latrines (the > site was a paradise compared to the woods), a lot of the locals had real > problems with thefts from gardens etc etc. A victim of it's own success > perhaps. Plus there was just about open warfare between drug dealers going on. I had a great time in '84 but I could see at the time that things were so out of control that the authorities would be forced to do something. > Even members of Hawkwind said they wouldn't loke to be in the > local's shoes. I've just finished watching Glastonbury on the TV, too big > and too mainstream. At the main stages maybe. Things are still pretty mellow up in the Green fields. > Gong featured in the soundtrack to the Michael Eavis > documentary One incarnation of them also played the Avalon stage. FoFP From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Jun 27 08:39:58 2000 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:39:58 -0400 Subject: AW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: At 08:01 AM 6/27/2000 +0200, Pospiech, Bernhard wrote: >Hi > > >The one Wishart thing I keep wanting to hear (and haven't > >gotten ahold of yet) is something called "Star Song". > > You can find STAR SONG on every gig during 1989-1990. > It is the song after NIGHT OF THE HAWKS Thanks... are any of these orderable ones or mainly just boots? "Left behind by the latest trends... eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends... - "Porcelain Monkey" by Warren Zevon =============== Andrew Apold From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Jun 27 09:34:10 2000 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:34:10 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: Xenon Codex Message-ID: Hi there > > >The one Wishart thing I keep wanting to hear (and haven't > > >gotten ahold of yet) is something called "Star Song". > > > > You can find STAR SONG on every gig during 1989-1990. > > It is the song after NIGHT OF THE HAWKS > >Thanks... are any of these orderable ones or mainly just boots? Unfortunately only boots. Only a prior version of STAR SONG can be found on the LIVE LEGENDS video bye Bernhard From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET Tue Jun 27 11:41:25 2000 From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:41:25 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Members to perform in Philadelphia 8/6/2000 (A & E Guide) Message-ID: Hello friends, It is my pleasure to announce the following special performance; ( A true rarity in the tri-state area): On August 6th 2000, "The Traveling Outerspace Spectacular", will touch down in Philadelphia, at "The Khyber", 56 south 2nd street. This show will feature Hawkwind members Harvey Bainbridge, Richard Chadwick & Jerry Richards, as well as Steve Hayes, and Steve Taylor. For more detailed personnel info visit www.Strange-Trips.com Here you will be able to see photos and descriptions of each Hawk. (You can also learn about America's Premier "Space Rock" Festival, "Strange Daze" which convenes in Nelson Ledges, Ohio, the weekend of August 11th).. Local support in philly will be provided by Sloterdijk, who will open the event. Sloterdijk is now performing summer dates in the U.S.. The project has just completed it's second european tour in 6 months, which culminated with an appearance at the North German Hawkfan Festival, in Hamburg June 16th. Visual and aesthetic stimuli courtesy of Jim Lascko's "Solar Fire Lightshow", just recently returned from Hawkwind's Australia/New Zealand tour. The Solar Fire Lightshow is a 3D, psychedelic lighting experience featuring space scenes, stars, swirling kaleidoscopic colors, black lights, strobes, moonflower effects and more.."truly something which must be seen to be described"... Venue, Date, Time & Ticket information: Venue: "The Khyber", 56 South 2nd St. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Date: Sunday August 6th, 2000 Time: Doors open at 9:00 PM *Show starts at 9:30* Tickets: Due in part to the venue's maximum occupancy of 250 persons, advance ticket sales have been made available. Attendees are encouraged to buy tickets in advance to insure entry.. Prices and ordering instructions: Advance tickets $8.00, call (215) 238-5888 $10.00 at the door, day of show. Please join us for this very special engagement... Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 27 11:59:09 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:59:09 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by...) Message-ID: ...the scourge of the Earth. Could someone remind me what was released of this version? Was it on the single CD of Epoch Eclipse plus a white label vinyl 12"? Did someone say they'd got a copy of this on a promo CD? What other tracks were on the CD? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 27 12:06:09 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:06:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: Anyone know what this CD is? Possibly a Cleopatra release? FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 27 12:34:59 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:34:59 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by...) In-Reply-To: <200006271559.QAA04754@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: The 1-CD and 3-CD versions of Epoch/Eclipse had different mixes. There was a promo CD and a promo 12"; the cd has the two mixes plus the original, the 12" just the two mixes. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 27 June 2000 16:59 > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: Silver Machine (infected by...) > > > ...the scourge of the Earth. > > Could someone remind me what was released of this version? > > Was it on the single CD of Epoch Eclipse plus a white label vinyl 12"? > > Did someone say they'd got a copy of this on a promo CD? What other > tracks were on the CD? > > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 27 12:49:07 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:49:07 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by) : Paging Andy Gee... In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:34:59 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > The 1-CD and 3-CD versions of Epoch/Eclipse had different mixes. There was > a promo CD and a promo 12"; the cd has the two mixes plus the original, the > 12" just the two mixes. That's what I thought. I seem to have missed the promo 12" from the codex and discography. However, it looks like CD versions of the 12" are becoming available on the Web. Has there been a recent release of this? Paging Andy Gee... FoFP From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Jun 27 14:03:08 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates Inc) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:03:08 -0600 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: Is this more Dave Anderson stuff we've seen too many times before? HAWKWIND-LIVE FROM THE DARKSIDE $20.95 Another live set from the vintage line-up from 1972. Features classic Hawkwind singles 'Sonic Attack' and 'Silver Machine', plus notes from original member Dave Anderson the other Mark L ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection > Anyone know what this CD is? Possibly a Cleopatra release? > > FoFP > From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Jun 27 14:07:13 2000 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates Inc) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:07:13 -0600 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: Is this the next Voiceprint series release? HAWKWIND-LIVE NOTTINGHAM $25.95 2 CD set of two live shows with a total running time of over 3 hours. CD 2 features special guest and former band-member Simon House, playing old & new classics. the other Mark L ps the previous post of mine re: the Darkside is actually a DVD ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection > Anyone know what this CD is? Possibly a Cleopatra release? > > FoFP > From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Jun 27 14:08:01 2000 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:08:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mandlebrot Set Band Question Message-ID: Of the bands that are going to be at the Hartford Space Rock Fest what can I expect from them. What is their sound like. Alien Planetscapes Architectual Metaphor Canis Major Circle of Karma Dark Aether Project Das Ludicroix Escapade Oranj Climax Quarkspace Sloterdijk Ludent Tremmel;s Gno Born to Go From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Jun 27 15:44:31 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:44:31 -0400 Subject: Check out this Village Voice article Message-ID: Dig this! Christgau on Meltzer, hold the mayo. Bolts of Ungodly Vision - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Village Voice - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Check out this article at http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0026/christgau.shtml Rock & Roll & Impolite Discourse by Robert Christgau The Noise Boys Ride Again From wcarter1 at OSF1.GMU.EDU Tue Jun 27 16:50:10 2000 From: wcarter1 at OSF1.GMU.EDU (Killing Joke) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:50:10 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Members to perform in Philadelphia 8/6/2000 (A & E Guide) In-Reply-To: <19085-3958CB25-399@storefull-111.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: Damnit! that's only 3 hours away from me but i can't go cuz my band is opening for Cannibal Corpse that night in Richmond (no shit..i kid ya'll not, i'm of the lone metalheads on this list) . Again, I'm skunked on seeing remotely close to seeing the mighty Hawkwind live..(well.unless you count the most godly Helios Creed) bill On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, SLOTERDIJK wrote: > Hello friends, > It is my pleasure to announce the following special performance; ( A > true rarity in the tri-state area): > > On August 6th 2000, "The Traveling Outerspace Spectacular", will touch > down in Philadelphia, at "The Khyber", 56 south 2nd street. > > This show will feature Hawkwind members Harvey Bainbridge, Richard > Chadwick & Jerry Richards, as well as Steve Hayes, and Steve Taylor. For > more detailed personnel info visit www.Strange-Trips.com Here you will > be able to see photos and descriptions of each Hawk. > > (You can also learn about America's Premier "Space Rock" Festival, > "Strange Daze" which convenes in Nelson Ledges, Ohio, the weekend of > August 11th).. > > Local support in philly will be provided by Sloterdijk, who will open > the event. Sloterdijk is now performing summer dates in the U.S.. The > project has just completed it's second european tour in 6 months, which > culminated with an appearance at the North German Hawkfan Festival, in > Hamburg June 16th. > > Visual and aesthetic stimuli courtesy of Jim Lascko's "Solar Fire > Lightshow", just recently > returned from Hawkwind's Australia/New Zealand tour. The Solar Fire > Lightshow is a 3D, psychedelic lighting experience featuring space > scenes, stars, swirling kaleidoscopic colors, black lights, strobes, > moonflower effects and more.."truly something which must be seen to be > described"... > > Venue, Date, Time & Ticket information: > > Venue: "The Khyber", 56 South 2nd St. > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > > Date: Sunday August 6th, 2000 > > Time: Doors open at 9:00 PM > *Show starts at 9:30* > > Tickets: Due in part to the venue's maximum occupancy of 250 persons, > advance ticket sales have been made available. Attendees are encouraged > to buy tickets in advance to insure entry.. > > Prices and ordering instructions: > > Advance tickets $8.00, call (215) 238-5888 > $10.00 at the door, day of show. > > > Please join us for this very special engagement... > Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk) > > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl > http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/ARTIMUS > From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Jun 27 16:52:17 2000 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:52:17 -0500 Subject: XC & IitBotFtbD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Michael Habiby wrote: :Subject: Re: XC & IitBotFtbD : [snip] :I wonder if the Dr. Who fans (few there are on this list) would agree that :like whichever Doctor you cut your teeth on, many fans favorite Hawkwind :era.. or certainly the one looked on with the least amount of criticism .. :is the one we discovered Hawkwind in. so to speak. : nah. I cut my teeth on Chronicle of the Black Sword, but I prefer many other albums instead. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 27 17:14:13 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:14:13 +0100 Subject: Space Bandits Message-ID: Hah, Space Bandits. Crap. I've said it before.. I'll say it again. That whole period was odd. Great potential with Simon House, poor execution in respect to recorded material. We've had a thread on SB and Bridgett before, I'll leave it at that. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ian Rosen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 26 June 2000 23:43 Subject: Xenon Codex >What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has >brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what >became of Bridget? > >Ian From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Jun 27 17:17:43 2000 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:43 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Message-ID: Were you there? How were Gong and Nik? Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 27 June 2000 14:03 Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge >david hall writes: > >> The problem with the Stonehenge festival is that it got too big. I think >> that the last one in 84 had 60000 at it. Although some hung around to clear >> up afterwards they could do a cosmetic operation only. The festival was fun, >> but, if I'm honest I wouldn't like a free festival of that size and duration >> round the corner from me. A small scale one okay but not that size. The >> woods were full of human shit and the local rivers turned into latrines (the >> site was a paradise compared to the woods), a lot of the locals had real >> problems with thefts from gardens etc etc. A victim of it's own success >> perhaps. > >Plus there was just about open warfare between drug dealers going on. I >had a great time in '84 but I could see at the time that things were so >out of control that the authorities would be forced to do something. > >> Even members of Hawkwind said they wouldn't loke to be in the >> local's shoes. I've just finished watching Glastonbury on the TV, too big >> and too mainstream. > >At the main stages maybe. Things are still pretty mellow up in the Green >fields. > >> Gong featured in the soundtrack to the Michael Eavis >> documentary > >One incarnation of them also played the Avalon stage. > >FoFP > From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Jun 27 17:25:19 2000 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:25:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: 5-18-2000 tree Message-ID: It's tree time folks. And the new tree is a recent performance from Atlanta, GA. 5-18-2000 at the Riviera. It's a well balanced audience recording. Nice and clean. The performance is pretty average for the modern 3 OC. In my opinion a good show. If you would like to be part of this tree please email me the following info: Name Email address Geographic location Branch or Leaf If branch, # of leaves you will burn for- I've received email from some that they wanted to be on the list for this show. What I need to know is whether you want to be a branch or a leaf. This is what I have so far. If you are on the list below no need to send another sign up email, just let me know if you are a branch or a leaf if I don't have you listed for one or the other. Rocker22 at aol.com - leaf Hajo.Steffen at t-online.de - Branch - Europe trudyw at locl.net - leaf robert_pardini at grove.com - ? george at londonohio.com - ? toad at engineering.ucsb.edu - Branch The sign up will run for a couple of weeks to make sure we get everyone. I'll be out of town from the 11th through the 16th of July so we'll close it on the 17th. I'll repost this announcement again after the 4th. Here's the set list for the show! Disc 1 Stairway to the Stars Teen Archer ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Joan Crawford Cities On Flame Burnin' For You Harvester of Eyes Last Days of May Godzilla Reaper Disc 2 Now is the Time the Old Gods Return Dominance and Submission Filler - Riverbend Festival 6-13-99 Chattanooga, TN Stairway to the Stars O.D.'ed on Life Itself M.E. 262 Harvester of Eyes ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Burnin' for You Godzilla Reaper From TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM Tue Jun 27 17:25:43 2000 From: TNHong at DATACOLLECT.COM (Todd Hong) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:25:43 -0500 Subject: Space Bandits Message-ID: I guess that's the great thing about this email list, everybody's entitled to their own opinion, no matter how damn wrong they are...LOL Todd H -----Original Message----- From: david hall [mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 4:14 PM To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Space Bandits Hah, Space Bandits. Crap. I've said it before.. I'll say it again. That whole period was odd. Great potential with Simon House, poor execution in respect to recorded material. We've had a thread on SB and Bridgett before, I'll leave it at that. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ian Rosen To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Date: 26 June 2000 23:43 Subject: Xenon Codex >What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has >brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what >became of Bridget? > >Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 27 17:17:49 2000 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:49 +0100 Subject: HW: XC & IitBotFtbD In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000626151929.00991e20@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 15:19 26/06/00, you wrote: >Danny Thompson's drumming has been commented on enough, ... including by me, but I notice that I like both Live Chronicles and Live At Reading, more than Live 79 for example. So perhaps his drum sound worked live better than it did in the studio. Simon King's drumming on Live 79 is clearly streets ahead in terms of technique, but the overall sound is weak. On the other hand, that could just be the production (I don't know much about that side of things). >The cover >of "Gimme Shelter" has got to be one of the most pointless things they ever >recorded Musically, perhaps (although I like it), but you do know the original single was done for a charity? Not quite so pointless. > -Doug Dave. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 27 14:09:28 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:09:28 +0100 Subject: HW: XC & IitBotFtbD Message-ID: Well......I think for those of us willing and have a good enough music playback setup (sadly I'm only one out of those two and it's not the second one, I can tell you!!!), this is where those remastered Castle digipak jobs (and the latest jewel case job of 'Electric Teepee') come into their own - from what I've heard the 'problems' are more than compensated by the remastering, although sometimes the foundation can remain shaky - anyone care to give an opinion on remaster versus original played back to back on really good equipment? I bet there will be a significant improvement on most of them altho' I'd like to bet that 'Levitation' will come put the least improved of the lot. Andy Garibaldi ==================================== > These are the biggest problems for me with the overall sound of the album. > I don't find it murky, muffled, indistinct, poorly-mixed, or anything else > that other folks mentioned. It sounds perfectly clear to me - I wish it > didn't, because then I wouldn't have to hear the gawdawful 80s production > cliches that it's encumbered with. The digital processing on Huw's leads > sound like crap! Just like the gated digital reverb on the snare. And the > digital (sampled? DX7?) "piano" on "Lost Chronicles" sounds pathetic. Of > course, the late 80s were a very bad time for this sort of thing, so I'll > still give the band credit for managing to get good synth sounds on the > record (of course, a Hawkwind album *without* good synth sounds would be > unthinkable!). Danny Thompson's drumming has been commented on enough, so > I'll just say that the tracks with drum machine on them ("Wastelands of > Sleep", "EMC") come as a relief - never thought I'd say THAT. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jun 27 19:47:10 2000 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:47:10 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000626202802.0082ea90@flite.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jun 2000, Andrew Apold wrote: > >What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has > >brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what > >became of Bridget? She was at the Whirlwind gig in Bath last year, wasn't she? So presumably she's still alive and in touch. I like Bridget's style - having someone who genuinely sounds like an alien on vocals definitely did something positive for the force of Hawkwind's otherworldliness. On the other hand, if you were expecting music :-) She really can't sing. When she doesn't try is when she's best - much like Bob in some ways. > I liked Bridget's vocals, never heard her live, though. Well, I haven't got any studio stuff with her one, because when I asked Carl Anderson about _Space Bandits_ many years ago, his opinion was that though a large number of songs on it have been absolutely blistering live, the actual album was in all ways pants. The _California Brainstorm_ versions of `TV Suicide' and `Images' are both good, I think, particularly the former, and `Out of the Shadows' is incredible. The version of `Wings' Bedouin have been performing this last two years is marvellous. You'd think with that material and that line-up it couldn't go wrong. Yet BOC-L as a whole is less than happy with it. What failed to happen, any ideas? Yours, Jon ObCD: Electric Orange - _Electric Orange_ (bonus CD) -- | Jon Jarrett (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | ======================================================================| | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" | From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 27 19:52:47 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:52:47 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 6/24/00 Message-ID: 6/24/00 1.Planet Gong--Psychological Overture/Floating Anarchy (Floating Anarchy '77) 2.Hawkwind--Dream Worker (Friday Rock Show Sessions; Reading '86) 3.Melting Euphoria--Mnasidika (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 4.Vas Deferens Organization--Tao City Hovercraft (Sweat Your Cheeses...) 5.Kingston Wall--Welcome to the Mirrorland/I'm the King, I'm the Sun (Trilogy) 6.Krom Lek--Colour Your Mind/Hornblowa (Inspirational Floatation Complilation; thanks to Stone Premonitions) 7.Ubu--Soixante Etages: Sur le Font (Et la Merdre; thanks to Musea/Gazul) 8.Census of Hallucinations--Window of Opportunity (Census of Hallucinations) 9.Ashra--Deep Distance (Best of the Private Tapes) 10.Voco Kesh--Track #5 (Smile! and Point at the Mountain?) 11.Cosmic Jokers--Kinder des Alls 1/Electronic Scene/Kinder des Alls 2 (Sci-fi Party) 12.Hawkwind--Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind? (Love in Space) 13.Zero Gravity--We're Tumbling, End Over End (Space Does Not Care) thanks, Chuck "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS for WINAMP: Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS For REAL-AUDIO: KUCR is now available on RealPlayer from RealAudio. Many of you Windows and Mac users already have it so no download and installation would be necessary. Connect to the Internet and open RealPlayer. Select file from the menu and then "open location". Type in http://www.kucr.org:8000 and say OK. Repeat the process if you lose the station at any time. From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 27 19:47:02 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:47:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: Story so far - it is on a label called Burning Airlines, handled and run by New Millennium, who have their stuff distributed by Greyhound and Pinnacle. Today Greyhound didn't know what the hell they were doing with the thing, while Pinnacle denied all knowledge of it. So, we phoned the label with whom we've dealt many times, and they said that they would fax through full details of the release right away - 8 hours later and we're still waiting, so it looks like anothe phone cal;l tomorrow. I reckon that it's the 'Yuri Gagarin' album and they've got the right venue but the wrong year in the pre-sell blurb - surprise, surprise. Also in the pre-blurb they've got remastered against it - for 'yuri Gagarin' it'll have to be the remaster of a lifetime!!! I hoe to secure a copy by the ned of the week to find out - we'll keep you posted. Andy Garibaldi http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com ------------------------------------- > Is this more Dave Anderson stuff we've seen too many times before? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE FROM THE DARKSIDE $20.95 > Another live set from the vintage line-up from 1972. Features classic > Hawkwind singles 'Sonic Attack' and 'Silver Machine', plus notes from > original member Dave Anderson > > the other Mark L > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:06 AM > Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection > > > > Anyone know what this CD is? Possibly a Cleopatra release? > > > > FoFP > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 27 19:49:53 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:49:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection Message-ID: No - see the new CD Services catalogue out next week for the full story behind the Collectors series release dates as we have it (I say that because I don't yet have ALL the info I need to tell you here and now) Andy Garibaldi ---------------------------------------------- > Is this the next Voiceprint series release? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE NOTTINGHAM $25.95 > 2 CD set of two live shows with a total running time of over 3 hours. CD 2 > features special guest and former band-member Simon House, playing old & new > classics. > > the other Mark L > > ps the previous post of mine re: the Darkside is actually a DVD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Holmes > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:06 AM > Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection > > > > Anyone know what this CD is? Possibly a Cleopatra release? > > > > FoFP > > From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 27 19:58:56 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:58:56 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by) : Paging Andy Gee... Message-ID: 'Silver Machine' CD and 12" promos were made in quite a large quantity, mostly 12" with the CD's being the rarest format. Reason was because EMI didn't have the confidence to release it officially so they tested it on the clubs, DJ's, dance mags, etc, which is how come yuo all read reviews of it. Only trouble was the mags hated it, the DJ's loved it but didn''t pursue it because it wasn't some hip and happening band (altho' story was that Fatboy Slim loved it!!!) Either way, EMI elected not to press it officially in the end deciding that the sales just weren't there to justify its release. Here at CDS towers we had a cache of 12" and a few CD's that we 'located' from some outlet or other we deal with, and they disappeared rather rapidly. But it has never had an official release to date and as far as I know there is no intention to do so. What do you mean by CD versions of the 12" - is someone pirating EMI stuff - way dodgy ground if they are!!! Oh - and I thought that the versions on Epoch Eclipse were the same mix but one was longer than the other - have I not listened carefully enough? Andy Garibaldi ------------------------------------ > The 1-CD and 3-CD versions of Epoch/Eclipse had different mixes. There was > > a promo CD and a promo 12"; the cd has the two mixes plus the original, the > > 12" just the two mixes. > > That's what I thought. I seem to have missed the promo 12" from the > codex and discography. > > However, it looks like CD versions of the 12" are becoming available on > the Web. Has there been a recent release of this? > > Paging Andy Gee... > > FoFP From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 27 20:13:18 2000 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:13:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Mandlebrot Set Band Question Message-ID: In a message dated 6/27/00 11:10:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: > Of the bands that are going to be at the Hartford Space Rock Fest what can I > expect from them. What is their sound like. > I'm not much of a reviewer when it comes to this kind of music (partly due to my total lack of understanding of anything synth/electronics), but I'll give it a shot... > Alien Planetscapes --one of the heaviest SR groups around now, their album "Life on Earth" even kicking off like a hardcore album, and incl. relentless water fowl just as asthmatic as Nik's (sax, that is); also one of the most musically-advanced groups in SR, musicians' musicians, jazzy at times, there's also an experimental/industrial track on the album... Probably Jerry Kranitz, Keith Henderson or Doug Walker himself could give a far better description, though... > Architectual Metaphor Their album "Odysseum Galacti" is a mixed bag of styles, some so-so tracks, some excellent tracks...over-all just very heavy space-rock ala HW, and like AP, good chops. Great cover of "Sonic Attack". "Creature of the Velvet Void" I'm still not sure about as a whole, but generally less heavy and more of a "dreamy" or ambient sound...incl. a cover of "Golden Void". As far as live, both bands have a track on the Strange Daze '97 set, but they differ little from the studio versions. > Canis Major > Circle of Karma > Dark Aether Project > Das Ludicroix ah, well, since Larry Boyd himself (DASLUD) is lookin' over my shoulder, ain't no way I'm gonna me mouth here...if anyone's gonna take on the task of a real music review, let the musicians themselves try it, since they could probably be as accurate as anyone... > Escapade 100% improvised space-rock. lots of awesome synth/electronics, bass, guitar-noise, all given perfectly beautiful production and even representation in the mix. Live/studio differs little since the studio recordings are essentially live and improvised anyway... Due to all the music being spontaneous/improv, it can be hit and miss, but when they hit: look out!! > Oranj Climax > Quarkspace --Uhh...hmmm, very unique sound no doubt, whichever mode they're in. Of all the material I've heard (including side-project National Steam), it ranges from catchy vocal-tunes, long ambient/space dealies, techno loops combined w/space-rock, but usually permeated w/the signature QS piano/prog-fusion leanings...the albums' material doesn't _always_ work for me, but probably a great experience live... > Sloterdijk > Ludent Tremmel;s Gno > Born to Go ---hmmm...I hope "Burning Inside" from the SD'97 disc isn't representative?? but that's all I've heard so far... Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Jun 28 00:49:49 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:49:49 EDT Subject: OFF: attn: Andy Garibaldi//Fwd: HW:Melodic Energy Commision Message-ID: my apologies, but i have an e-mail from doc synth to andy garibaldi which he would like me to forward. please get in touch off-group... "<>" -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: DWa2898572 at aol.com Subject: Re: HW:Melodic Energy Commision Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:59:45 EDT Size: 488 URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jun 28 00:11:24 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:11:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Quarkstock 2000 review Message-ID: Hi Folks... A preview of the next www.aural-innovations.com, posted here to provide some folks here (who have asked) some insight into some of these same bands playing at Mandelbrot. For any others not included here, you might look at previous Strange Daze reviews archived in back issues of A-I at that same locale. Grakkl (FAA) P.S. Uz Jsme Doma cancelled their Col's performance I guess, 'cause the club had Marky Ramone instead that night. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quarkstock 2000 Space and Avant-Prog Festival - Ruby Tuesday's, Columbus OH, May 27-28, 2000 Well, I never imagined that this would happen! A two-day eight-band Space Rock festival held in my own hometown? Crazy thought! Something MUST be different in the new millenium for this to have materialized. So no complaints from me anymore about nuttin' to do in Cow-lumbus! And a quick flip through the local entertainment weekly surprised me with the amazing number of other events going on here in central Ohio that same Memorial Day weekend. Local hero Jack Nicklaus hosted his big golf tourney up in Dublin (Tiger won, of course), the Rhythm ?n? Food fest filled some downtown streets, the Hyatt hosted the Sci-Fi geeks at the midwest MARCON thingy, a big Asian festival was going on here somewhere in the area, a local deadheadretread band (and Bob Weir himself) attracted a whole slew of riff-raff out east in a big aromatic field, and I think there was some auto show going on as well. The cool thing was that only the hundred or so of us that wound through the narrow streets of the OSU campus slums to find Ruby's actually enjoyed our weekend without getting unceremoniously dumped upon. Oh, just us and the D&D lot downtown. Sci-Fi and SpaceRock Geekdom payed off this time in the dryness category! Being rather friendly with the hosts, that being the Columbus-based Quarkspace combo, Jerry and I were greeted cheerfully by Doorman P.W. Dood, head Quark, and were ushered in as guests. In the end, though, I figured I should actually pay the admission fee given that, save a last-minute campus-area flyer spree and my normal mode of internet spamming, Jerry did all the promotional work from the A-I perspective. And the $20 entrance fee was the best deal anyone could offer, especially given that I didn't have to burn a drop of gasoline to get there. And today, that's a big factor with Ohio gas prices in the $2 a gallon range. For those of you wondering, Columbus' Ruby Tuesday's is *not* part of the regional chain of suburban-sprawl eateries of the same name, but rather a rustic, neighborhood bar on a residential street in north Columbus. In fact, if it weren't for the neon beer signs in the window, you'd hardly know that this enormous 1930-something (?) house was a rock 'n' suds venue. Just ask Jerry...he's driven past the place and gone on for miles...repeatedly. The main floor of the establishment is neatly divided into two halves, one the stage, seating, and sound/lights booth, the other half housing the well-stocked bar (downright bargain prices!) and another open floor area in view of the stage, a pair of pool tables over on the far side. One of these was taken out of commission and utilized as a merchandising center. In one sense, the place was perfect - the friendly, cozy atmosphere of the place rather endearing, and also the available seating just about right for fitting everyone in comfortably. On the other hand, this is more-or-less a campus bar that makes its earnings based on alcohol sales to those youngsters pre-disposed to over-consumption. And this oddly hippy-ish, but studious, crowd of mostly non-Ohioans was not really the binging type. Except me. And given the cheap (import!) suds and no end of accessible cash due to my little CD sales booth next to the bands' table, I could afford it. Financially-speaking, anyway. The show was scheduled to kick off at 6 PM on Saturday, and I could feel the breeze as Stagemaster Chet zipped back and fourth across the club nervously, until around quarter to seven when Indiana's Tombstone Valentine gradually morphed from soundcheck to performance mode. The inaugural Quarkstock was off and running! TV?s sound is a throw-back in some ways to 1970s Munich Germany, where a melting pot of folk, world music and psychedelia abounded. With only hand percussion for beat, the Valentines ease into a steady groove to balance a flavorful mix of lead voices, including Richelle Toombs? enchanting voice and occasional entries to the forefront by guitar, violin, and theremin. Diane Hancock?s keyboard textures and Rick Wilkerson?s bass fill out the ensemble in a pleasant (while unexcited) fashion, supporting the underbelly to this brand of ?psychedelic chamber music.? And of course, the man responsible for bringing TV to our attention here at AI, Sir Douglas Walker joined the group on flute for a great deal of the set. Despite having a full-length CD release (similar to, but somewhat different from, an LP release of the same title and artwork), much of what they played this night was new material (to me at least). I did remember the non-album ?Mississippi? track from last year?s Strange Daze, and the ?Tick Tock? number seemed familiar. But there?s always something special about hearing a piece you?ve already become attached to, and so the performances of ?Green Sky Night? and the title track to ?Hidden World? were the highlights for me. Tombstone Valentine were a perfect opener for Quarkstock 2K, an inspiring performance that gave us all an early indication that the ?little festival that could? was going to make it after all. Between sets, the event?s MC Thom ?the World Poet? Woodruff took the stage to entertain the troops just as he does every year at the Strange Daze festivals in northeast Ohio. Thom, a native Australian but resident of Texas these days, is quite a character as many of you know (also ?cause he?s oft been affiliated with various Gong incarnations). I couldn?t begin to tell you all the interesting little tidbits Thom offered over the two days, but suffice it to say he was in rare form, the indoor venue providing him quite a bit more connection to the audience at hand than the spacious surroundings of the Ledges. He presided over at least two separate periods of ?open stage? at the mic, where he persuaded unsuspecting folks to improvise their own little compositions, some of which were quite insightful themselves! Almost practiced. Always willing to take a suggestion and run with it, others offered peculiar items that they had brought along and these he auctioned off to audience members in his own patented way. (I know...I once won a CD this way.) Thom is the rare individual that tires you out with his mile-a-minute witticisms and non-stop rapping, though instead of his personality wearing on your patience he actually seems more likeable every time you meet up with him. His spirit and that of the festival were one and the same. Maryland?s Dark Aether Project was one of only two bands I hadn?t already seen. I had borrowed a copy of their first album about six months ago to check out, and liked what I?d heard. After their first self-titled album, the original trio added ex-Echolyn vocalist Ray Weston and the still-young group seems to be continually gaining confidence as a live act. Instrumentally, DAP comes across much like a classic progressive rock band though many of their songs have a ?loopy? feel such that a description of ?King Crimson covering Ashra? gets you pretty close to their sound. Tracks like ?Nightmare? even have a tribal feel to them. Adam Levin is the group?s most visible instrumentalist, deftly handling the strange-looking 8-string Warr guitar, that if you close your eyes is indistinguishable (to me anyway) from the Chapman Stick. Weston at times played the more traditional bass guitar, and Yaman Aksu traded licks with Levin on his 6-stringer. DAP were at their best when they mixed atmosphere with intricate playing as on their moody signature track, ?Dark Aether,? which they segued into an interesting rendition of Pink Floyd?s classic ?Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun.? (Good thing they didn?t choose ?Echoes.?) I picked up both their CDs later that night and really like what they?re doing. I had seen Architectural Metaphor on two previous occasions, dating back to their opening slot at Toads in New Haven CT on the Hawkwind ?95 tour. I admit to being less than overwhelmed with their performance on that night, but in years? since, I?ve grown to admire at least the unique brooding flavor of their music, and marvel at the arsenal of gadgetry that Paul Eggleston and Greg Kozlowski have amassed. And on this night...Wow! I must admit that I haven?t ever heard that many different cosmic sounds packed into 90 minutes of music ever before. This was an ArcMet I hadn?t ever seen before. I?m pretty familiar with their two albums and was wondering why I didn?t recognize many of their tunes, but then when I saw the setlist Paul E. sent me, I understood. It wasn?t until ?Echoes? that I thought to myself, ?Well, I know this!? But even then it was a few minutes until I realized, ?Ah hell, this is Pink Floyd, fer chrissakes!? But what an outstanding reading it was. Kozlowski?s guitar playing here was as spaced-out as space can be...an excellent choice. Their Tangerine Dream cover (?Richochet?) I didn?t recognize as such (one of the few krautrock artists that I haven?t fallen mightily for), but I instantly caught onto my favorite original ArcMet tune, ?Kairos.? Really more like two tunes in one, the introductory ambient/space phase was longer here than ever before (seemed like 10 minutes), and a joy to hear. ?Creature,? one of their more gothic-flavored songs, is perhaps my favorite of their vocal tunes, and Deb Young?s voice is always nice to hear. In fact, it seemed she sang too little this night. Though because I thought her drumming was stronger here than ever before, that added even more to my enjoyment of the set. When they finally wrapped up with the brief ?Welcome to the Future? routine of Hawkwind?s Bob Calvert, it seemed (based on the raucous applause) that everyone in the house was as blown away as I was by ArcMet?s performance. A big highlight of the weekend, undoubtedly. So now the festival hosts got their chance to play to their hometown crowd (oh wait, most of the crowd was from out-of-state). Of course, being a Columbusite, I?ve been fortunate to see Quarkspace at least a dozen times over the past few years, so I usually know what to expect from this lot. But like most bands on this night, they came forth with a few surprises. The opener, ?Starbridge Freaks? wasn?t a surprise, and I find myself grooving to this number more each time, as they seemingly turn it into a rocker little by little each time out. But unprecedented was the ?performance art? of drummer Paul Williams to follow, playfully exchanging lots of cables and tossing around various electronic devices, while the other band members provided impromptu accompaniment. All kidding aside, they quickly got back to work and gave us cool versions of ?Voyage? from ?Spacefolds 5,? and one of my favorites, ?The Circle.? You can?t mention that tune without adding ?the lost track from Pink Floyd?s ?Obscured by Clouds??...I think every review I?ve read of ?The Hidden Moon? says that. But whatever you want to say about Chet?s little tune, it?s a great original song and I want to hear it each time. The night?s finale was a lengthy cover of CSNY?s ?Ohio,? commemorating the events of 30 years ago at Kent State, just two hours? drive from here. Bassist/Vocalist Chet Santia wants to make sure nobody forgets. Most of the folks in the audience were old enough to remember for themselves, and were glad to hear it. With the later-than-planned start, Quarkspace?s set was unusually short, but as enjoyable as ever. And it didn?t take long after the 2:15 AM powerdown for the club?s bartenders to begin to shoo the patronage from the establishment. And given their usual clientele, they didn?t have any qualms about being direct - offering such delicate remarks as ?Get Out!? All the best intentions for keeping to the printed schedule on Sunday were shot when we learned that the club didn?t open its doors until 5 PM, one hour past when the first act was to hit the stage. Still, once things got rolling on Saturday, the set changes were made very efficiently and so confidence was high that all the acts would get their allotted time on Sunday as well. And in the end, it worked out fine. NYC?s Escapade are a five-piece all-improvisational unit that I was excited to see for the first time, having enjoyed listening to their CDs over the years. Because they?d housed themselves (and their equipment) at Jerry?s place overnight, I was able to chat for awhile with them (the ones that were awake, anyway) before the show. Drummer Hadley Kahn recounted the story of how he came upon his psychedelic cherry red drumkit and how lucky he felt to have them because of their intense sound. Well, I was happy to hear them first hand. For a little guy, he pounds the heck out of them, though instead of becoming overly loud and intrusive, the drums just sound more powerful and full. Throughout the performance, the quintet deftly built the energy level up and down relying on the telepathic ability of Kahn and bassist Russell Giffen to synchronize their movements. Guitarist Paul Casanova (doubling on various electronic gadgets) and keyboardist/knob-twiddler John Ortega provided the freak-out element and never seemed to want for an idea of what to play. As the clock was running down and Chet was lining up the next act around the corner, Thom stepped up to the mic and rambled off yet another inspired bit of poetry as the musicnauts adjusted and then landed their spacecraft. We got the impression that Escapade would play all night if no one had stepped in to direct them home - I think I coulda listened to a few more hours. Theirs was an inspiring performance that listening to Escapade on disc doesn?t truly prepare you for. Hearing it as it?s being created is on a whole other level. About four years ago, the band French TV had tried their own little festival of this sort back in their hometown of Louisville KY, which they called the Eclectic Electric Event or something. No doubt they suffered through the same reactions of indifference and blank stares upon the faces of the local media that is common with such uncool propositions, and very likely took a big financial loss. Well, at least I had a fun time there (oddly enough, it was the first time I saw Quarkspace play) and discovered an excellent CD shop nearby. Undoubtedly, French TV most often get compared to Frank Zappa (or certainly 'Canterbury' artists), given their propensity for writing complex tunes, but always with a sense of crazy fun. They didn?t play anything from the one album I have (III), so it was all new to me on this night. The band also suffered through a major technical difficulty (or two) which they endured gracefully, and eventually persevered. I really enjoyed their EEE set when they were more in their element, both geographically and musically. Unfortunately, I was a bit preoccupied with ?business? for a certain amount of their QS2K set, so I don?t think I can paint a complete picture for you. But considering the effort it took to get the whole band together (one member lives in New York, another way out west I think), I thought it was extra special for Mike Sary et al. to support QS2K by agreeing to perform for us. French TV debuted two new tracks ?Viable Tissue Matter? and ?That Thing On The Wall,? and as a closer played (by request) ?Mail Order Quarks.? An appropriate tune, I must say. Born to Go is the kind of group I?m always in the mood for...space rock with balls. I don?t think there was any way BTG were going to outdo their impromptu headlining performance at Strange Daze ?99, but they were quite entertaining nonetheless. Both synth wizards (No-Muzik and Professor Electron) were in the house once again, so it was extra-spacey. But it?s the rumbly blanga tunes that I expect to hear from these guys, and they cranked through ?Navigator,? ?Kamikaze Bat,? and of course, ?Meet the Blanga.? As always, bassist/vocalist Marc Power added his colorful commentary to each track, and for the first time I got to see their collection of robots in action. Normally, this takes place during ?Robots on the Rise? but they chose a different tune this time (can?t even remember which one). I do remember that ?Trepanation? was late in the set (perhaps that was the one?) with its obvious chorus of ?Like I need a hole in the head.? Anyway, the robots performed on cue even though some were already zapped of power from over-use. Oh well, no Robot Revolution quite yet! Now if only Born to Go would get off their lazy asses and put out a CD, more people would actually know how good a space rock act they are! Not just us obscure festival-goers. NYC?s Alien Planetscapes have been around since 1980 or so, and although I?m most familiar with the four- or five-piece space rock unit of the past four years or so, ?Dr. Synth? Doug Walker has fronted many different permutations over the past two decades. With some members dropping off the Planetscape due to various reasons, Doug decided to call up Richard Orlando, a guitarist/synth-player he?d worked with in the past. Together, they composed an entirely new ~75-minute suite of space music inspired by the Red Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson, and their QS2K performance was its stage debut. The AP duo had no problem filling up the Ruby?s stage with gear, and soon an orchestra-full of cosmic sounds were expelled from the speakers as if from Olympus Mons itself. Frankly, it was a little weird to have this highly experimental music follow the bombastic rock of Born to Go, but then I think the schedule was set up before the ?new AP? was unveiled. I admit to having gotten a bit worked up and ready for some more ?bombast? that we would?ve heard from the ?old? AP. However I did catch right onto Orlando?s fabulous guitar work, and wondered how he managed to produce that ?dampened? sound that made it seem like his amp was actually behind the back wall. Despite that lack of aural prominence in the mix, his soaring solos jumped right out at me and together with Dr. Synth?s sonic extravaganza (and his always-spot on flute-playing), there was a lot of cool stuff to absorb. I?m just gonna need to chill out on the couch with a copy of the CD (when it?s done...and it better be soon!) and let it soak in a lot better in that environment. Or perhaps just ask Philip Dick to implant the memory of hearing it into my mind. Well, that?s it folks! What a great event it was...all the bands performed fabulously and the event was run very professionally and timely. Jim Lascko?s Solar Fire crew, of course, provided the lightshow for all eight artists and they did their usual outstanding job. Extra cool was a special Quarkstock 2000 projection wheel that someone had made. I?m sorry that the lightshow doesn?t really show up on Jerry?s (otherwise excellent) photos, but chances are good you?ve seen Solar Fire?s work or something similar, so just imagine seeing all sorts of cool space stills and rotating psychedelic patterns. Or maybe you see those as a matter of course already! Luckily, I had a full day (the Memorial Day holiday) to recuperate before rejoining the real world...of course, I spent some of it shopping for more CDs. I think everyone in attendance agreed that it was an excellent event and we all hope that it might happen again. But of course, it?s expensive to round up this many topnotch groups into any one spot, so even with a massive promotional effort, the festival mainly drew just those who would?ve known about it anyway. However, a few curious locals (some unsuspecting they were even attending a space-rock fest) caught on to what was going on, and the operators of a local gallery/performance-space club appear to be really interested in hosting some of this kind of music later this year in downtown Columbus. Every little bit helps! I urge you to support these non-corporate fests in your town. I?m sure your local ?shed? venue (what I refer to now as a ?Buffett Hut?) was offering the Styx reunion show or something, brought to you by Budweiser?...resist the temptation! Set-Lists SATURDAY Tombstone Valentine: 1. Opening Jam 2. Solvent City 3. Devotion 4. Mississippi 5. Sleepy Sun 6a.The Web b. Floating c. Tick Tock d. Voices 7. Green Sky Night 8. Jam 9. Hidden World Dark Aether Project: 1. Spontaneous loop improv 2. Nightmare 3. Burnt Sunrise 4. Trust 5. Wrong Address 6. Drive Time 7. Out of my Head 8. Currently-untitled-8-minute-instrumental 9. Feed the Silence 10a. Dark Aether b. Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (w/ Chet) Architectural Metaphor: 1. Overture 2. Canjam 3. The Maker 4. Sur le Tour 5. Echoes 6. Temple Song 7. Kairos 8. Untitled New Song 9. Ricochet 10. Creature 11. Welcome to the Future Quarkspace: 1. Starbridge Freaks 2. "Paul Didn't Hook His Shit Up Properly" Space 3. Voyage 4. Cliffs of Norway 5. The Circle 6. Blanket Hill (with Doug and Thom) 7. Ohio SUNDAY Escapade: 90 minutes of inspired improvisations, which shall remain untitled. French TV: 1a. And The Dead Dog Lept Up And Flew Around The Room b. The Ancient, drum solo 2. Under The Big 'W' 3. The Souls Of The Damned Live In Failed Works 4. Improv/Viable Tissue Matter 5. The Secret Life Of Walter Riddle 6. Improv/That Thing On The Wall 7. Mail Order Quarks Born To Go: Kamikaze Bat Navigator Steel Meet the Blanga Burning Inside SpaceRock City Trepanation plus others Alien Planetscapes: 1a. The Journey Out b. John Boone c. Red Anne 2a. Nadia b. Hiroko c. Coyote d. Life in Crater City 3a. The Cable b. MultiNats c. Aerophany d. Martian Revolution From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 28 03:28:51 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:28:51 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by) : Paging Andy Gee... In-Reply-To: <007101bfe093$c754c8e0$bf0dbc3e@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Come to think of it, yes, one's probably a "radio edit" of the other rather than actually being different mixes. I understood the plan was release it to coincide with the three nights at Brixton Academy... -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Jun 28 04:02:34 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:02:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Quarkstock 2000 review Message-ID: > P.S. Uz Jsme Doma cancelled their Col's performance I guess, 'cause the > club had Marky Ramone instead that night. I saw the last 15 minutes of this band in Minneapolis, nothing spacey about it. Russian punk, for lack of a better term. A few parts reminded me of athletic spizz though, maybe it was the bass style. Does anybody have any tapes of Born To Go's performance at the spacerock festival from a few weeks ago? Will anybody be taping them at the festival in a week or so? Send me a private email I'd love to get copies, I really like this band. dan From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 28 05:59:50 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:59:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge Collection In-Reply-To: Clemens & Associates Inc's message of Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:03:08 -0600 Message-ID: Clemens & Associates Inc writes: > Is this more Dave Anderson stuff we've seen too many times before? > > HAWKWIND-LIVE FROM THE DARKSIDE $20.95 > Another live set from the vintage line-up from 1972. Features classic > Hawkwind singles 'Sonic Attack' and 'Silver Machine', plus notes from > original member Dave Anderson I'm pretty sure that this one is "Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin" dragged once more from its mouldering grave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 28 06:03:11 2000 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:03:11 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:43 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: [Glastonbury] > Were you there? How were Gong and Nik? Both were pretty well-attended, though the Avalon field is quite small and hampered by there being three other tents with music right next to the area in front of the Avalon stage. I find Nik's All Stars stuff pretty dull so I ended up looking for food and pear cider after a while. Gong put on a very solid gig though. FoFP From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 28 13:41:23 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:41:23 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine (infected by) : Paging Andy Gee... Message-ID: Looks like it all got sucked into the Hawkwind black hole!! Andy Garibaldi. ---------------------- > I understood the plan was release it to coincide with the three nights at > Brixton Academy... > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 28 18:38:33 2000 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:38:33 +0100 Subject: Xenon Codex Message-ID: >> >What does everyone think of Space Bandits? No one has >> >brought that one up yet. And does anyone know what >> >became of Bridget? > > She was at the Whirlwind gig in Bath last year, wasn't she? That's right, she did an improvised piece followed by a recital of Black Elk Speaks (without any drum backing! It was while Richard ran off to get a drink). >> I liked Bridget's vocals, never heard her live, though. > > Well, I haven't got any studio stuff with her one, because when I >asked Carl Anderson about _Space Bandits_ many years ago, his opinion was >that though a large number of songs on it have been absolutely blistering >live, the actual album was in all ways pants. The _California Brainstorm_ >versions of `TV Suicide' and `Images' are both good, I think, particularly >the former, and `Out of the Shadows' is incredible. The version of `Wings' >Bedouin have been performing this last two years is marvellous. You'd Unusually for me, I thought that the studio version of Images was far better. I generally find that I'll prefer live versions of songs, but in this Bridgets vocals were much stronger on the studio version and it had the added advantage of Simon's violin (something it never got live, so far as I know). Nick From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 28 19:03:14 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:03:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice - Stonehenge Message-ID: All was calm - though I heard there was a large police presence hidden out of sight just in case of trouble. Wasn't needed though. One person climbed up onto the stones but the crowd round about told him he was a bloody idiot and to get down. So he did. Wasn't much of a sunrise either, from what I remember reading - I think it was raining! jill ----- Original Message ----- From: K Henderson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice > Hi Folks... > > Any news from the stones? > > What was the big deal they made about re-opening the site this year? I'm > guessing it was hardly 'open,' right? > > Grakkl (FAA) > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Jun 28 19:21:53 2000 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:21:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF: Ritual of the Solstice/stonehenge > david hall writes: > > [Glastonbury] > > > Were you there? How were Gong and Nik? > > Both were pretty well-attended, though the Avalon field is quite small > and hampered by there being three other tents with music right next to > the area in front of the Avalon stage. > > I find Nik's All Stars stuff pretty dull so I ended up looking for food > and pear cider after a while. Gong put on a very solid gig though. Hmm - I was disappointed by Gong - a too harsh and jazz sound. Also they started half an hour late and only played an hour (admittedly with an encore). And I was far too far back to see anything. And it was cold. And there were too many people. And.... I guess I wasn't in the mood for that one. Also I'd just seen two crackingly splendid gigs beforehand in the same venue. 'Celtica' were just excellent but the find of the Festival for me was 'Kangaroo Moon'. An OZ band with the most incredible sound. Irish fiddle, didgiriddoo, sensitive drumming and layer upon layer of keyboards with a solid rhythmic beat behind the music. Some of the tracks were a bit slight and mundane but the best tracks wove a faulous tapestry of sound that was pulling people in from all across the fields. There may have been others but they were the only band I saw attracting a crowd that stayed and grew and didn't drift off anywhere else. Sadly their live album had totally sold out by the time I reached the merchandise stall - will have to hunt elsewhere for that now. Not Hawkwind but highly recommended! jill From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jun 28 21:22:20 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:22:20 -0500 Subject: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted Message-ID: Wanted; Hawkwind PXR 5 CD Condition: Like New Cash to you: $50.00 or make your offer Reply to: wilberry at mindspring.com From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Jun 28 23:23:13 2000 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:23:13 -0500 Subject: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted Message-ID: dude just go to ebay and wait for it to show up. you can probably get it for less than $20.00. Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: > > Wanted; Hawkwind PXR 5 CD > Condition: Like New > Cash to you: $50.00 or make your offer > > Reply to: wilberry at mindspring.com From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu Jun 29 01:05:50 2000 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:05:50 +0200 Subject: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Witt To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 5:23 AM Subject: Re: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted I already mailed this,but I can get it now and then for even less,got to have a little patience. > dude just go to ebay and wait for it to show up. you can probably get it > for less than $20.00. > > Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: > > > > Wanted; Hawkwind PXR 5 CD > > Condition: Like New > > Cash to you: $50.00 or make your offer > > > > Reply to: wilberry at mindspring.com From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Jun 29 01:42:46 2000 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:42:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: Kansas & Yes Message-ID: Hi all ! So I went to see Kansas and Yes last night, in Albuquerque. Awesome show. If you get a chance, go see them ! Kansas is touring with its original line-up - well, almost : Steve Walsh, Robbie Steinhardt, Billy Greer, Rich Williams and Phil Ehart. I've read though that Kerry Livgren and Dave Hope occasionally join in at some venues. Here's the playlist, for those with an interest : 1) ??? [no idea what song this one was - I think it's one from their new album. I didn't recognize it, anyway] 2) Paradox 3) Miracles out of nowhere 4) Icarus II [from the new album] 5) Icarus 6) Hold on 7) Not man big [from the new album] 8) Portrait (he knew) 9) Point of know return 10) Dust in the wind 11) Carry on wayward son So alright, not ALL of it was awesome. Even though it was a thrill to see these guys playing together again after all those years, the bass was way too loud and there were a few quirks here and there, like Walsh forgetting some of the lyrics to "Dust in the wind" - of all songs ! *laughs* Actually, I thought "Dust" was the one that sounded the less convincing live. OTOH, they did a GREAT job on "Portrait" & "Carry on"... that last one was really awesome (so OK, I say awesome a lot - sue me ;-) "Hold on" was very good, too. Oddly, I never really hooked to that song, but I loved it live. The new songs have some good parts, although I wasn't convinced by the whole pieces. Then again, if this had been my first exposition to "Paradox", "POKR" or even "Icarus," I likely wouldn't have thought all that much of them either. So I'm curious to hear the album itself... It's called "Somewhere to elsewhere," BTW, for those who don't know yet, and it'll be out late June on Magna Carta (yes ! Shadow Gallery's label !). Check out www.magnacarta.net for more info. Great page for the album, with tons of info on its genesis and who played on it (all the original members ! amazing). So Kansas played an hour, and than Yes was on stage for two. Bleh. I would have preferred it the other way around ;-) But hey, Yes is cool too. Their songs were much longer, though. They only played 8 pieces in 2 hours, most of them 20-30 minutes long :-) They were all old stuff from their earlier albums, some they hadn't played in 25 years ! Playlist : 1) Close to the edge 2) ??? [no idea what the title of this one was] 3) The Gates of Delirium 4) Soon or sooner the light [not sure if title is correct ?] 5) Heart of the sunrise 6) Ritual (Nous sommes du Soleil) 7) I've seen all good people 8) Roundabout Line-up : Jon Anderson (the voice !), Steve Howe (the guitar !!), Chris Squire (oh my, the attitude ;-), Bill Bruford (at least I _think_ it was Bruford) and Igor Khoroshev (the name !) on keyboards. The sound was much better during the Yes concert, BTW. Bass was not quite as loud, and much more bearable :-) Yadi yada. Not much of a review, but that's all I can say at this point. I'll just add that I was thrilled just to be there. A real experience :-) Oh, and for tour dates & locations, check out Kansas' official website : http://www.kansasband.com/ The dates are on this page : http://www.kansasband.com/tour.html Rock on ! Alex. *laughs as "Carry on wayward son" starts playing on the radio* --------------------------------------------------- Music Video DataBase : mvdbase.com Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - www.noosfere.com/icarus/ (French & English) My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jun 29 04:42:17 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:42:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: Kansas & Yes Message-ID: > > So Kansas played an hour, and than Yes was on stage for two. Bleh. I would > have preferred it the other way around ;-) But hey, Yes is cool too. Their > songs were much longer, though. They only played 8 pieces in 2 hours, most > of them 20-30 minutes long :-) They were all old stuff from their earlier > albums, some they hadn't played in 25 years ! Playlist : > > 1) Close to the edge > 2) ??? [no idea what the title of this one was] "Starship Trooper" > 3) The Gates of Delirium > 4) Soon or sooner the light [not sure if title is correct ?] Part of "The Gates of Delerium"; next was the guitar/vocal section of "The Ancient" called "Leaves of Green." > 5) Heart of the sunrise > 6) Ritual (Nous sommes du Soleil) Wow! Four-way drum quartet for about five minutes, all going positively nuts! > 7) I've seen all good people > 8) Roundabout > > Line-up : Jon Anderson (the voice !), Steve Howe (the guitar !!), Chris > Squire (oh my, the attitude ;-), Bill Bruford (at least I _think_ it was > Bruford) and Igor Khoroshev (the name !) on keyboards. > > The sound was much better during the Yes concert, BTW. Bass was not quite as > loud, and much more bearable :-) > I've been a Yes fan since 77 (6 years before I had the good fortune of hearing Hawkwind), and I saw this show in Phoenix last Sunday. I would've paid full price just to see "Gates of Delerium." Fantastic! From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jun 29 06:44:42 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:44:42 -0500 Subject: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted In-Reply-To: <001901bfe187$cb916040$c7a408d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: Anyway you can, get it, e-mail me, make some money. The deal is still open til I get it. Thanks for the responses. Condition : Like New I will post when I've satisfied this search. No Patience in Bama. At 07:05 AM 06/29/2000 +0200, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan Witt >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 5:23 AM >Subject: Re: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted > >I already mailed this,but I can get it now and then for even less,got to >have a little patience. > >> dude just go to ebay and wait for it to show up. you can probably get it >> for less than $20.00. >> >> Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley wrote: >> > >> > Wanted; Hawkwind PXR 5 CD >> > Condition: Like New >> > Cash to you: $50.00 or make your offer >> > >> > Reply to: wilberry at mindspring.com > From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Jun 29 08:46:59 2000 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:46:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Kansas & Yes In-Reply-To: <006c01bfe1a5$ee4f6fa0$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: Alex and Kevin Thanks for the reviews. I am seeing them here in Upstate NY in Saratoga on the 30th. And then the Moodies the next Sunday. Looking forward to it even more now. _______________________ Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing the CableShoppe, inc. One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ "The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." -- Plutarch. >-----Original Message----- >From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >Behalf Of Kevin Sommers >Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:42 AM >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: OFF: Kansas & Yes > > >> >> So Kansas played an hour, and than Yes was on stage for two. >Bleh. I would >> have preferred it the other way around ;-) But hey, Yes is cool >too. Their >> songs were much longer, though. They only played 8 pieces in 2 >hours, most >> of them 20-30 minutes long :-) They were all old stuff from their earlier >> albums, some they hadn't played in 25 years ! Playlist : >> >> 1) Close to the edge >> 2) ??? [no idea what the title of this one was] > >"Starship Trooper" > >> 3) The Gates of Delirium >> 4) Soon or sooner the light [not sure if title is correct ?] > >Part of "The Gates of Delerium"; next was the guitar/vocal section of "The >Ancient" called "Leaves of Green." > >> 5) Heart of the sunrise >> 6) Ritual (Nous sommes du Soleil) > >Wow! Four-way drum quartet for about five minutes, all going positively >nuts! > >> 7) I've seen all good people >> 8) Roundabout >> >> Line-up : Jon Anderson (the voice !), Steve Howe (the guitar !!), Chris >> Squire (oh my, the attitude ;-), Bill Bruford (at least I _think_ it was >> Bruford) and Igor Khoroshev (the name !) on keyboards. >> >> The sound was much better during the Yes concert, BTW. Bass was not quite >as >> loud, and much more bearable :-) >> > >I've been a Yes fan since 77 (6 years before I had the good fortune of >hearing Hawkwind), and I saw this show in Phoenix last Sunday. I would've >paid full price just to see "Gates of Delerium." Fantastic! > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 29 09:42:28 2000 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:28 EDT Subject: 13 aug BOC Message-ID: Looks like it's pretty much official now. The BOC gig advertised for Syracuse in July has morphed into the 13 Aug gig at Vernon Downs. This is a multi-band festival show that BOC has played at before. The other bands that are listed so far: Nazareth, Joan Jett, and Todd Rundgren! Should be a hell of a party. Brian, you up for this? theo From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 29 19:21:22 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:21:22 +0100 Subject: What's happening Message-ID: Andy G here - suddenly I've got no e.mails coming through from the group - is there something wrong or have I been thrown out for too big a mouth? Andy Garibaldi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jun 29 19:21:14 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:21:14 -0500 Subject: What's happening In-Reply-To: <001001bfe220$de8433a0$fe5495c1@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Whats your fav Hawkwind song on ; In Search of Space At 12:21 AM 06/30/2000 +0100, you wrote: > Andy G here - suddenly I've got no e.mails coming through from the >group - is there something wrong or have I been thrown out for too big a >mouth? Andy Garibaldi. From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jun 30 00:18:33 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:18:33 -0700 Subject: What's happening Message-ID: Side One. OK, if I have to narrow it down further: "You Know You're Only Dreaming" Kevin Sommers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: What's happening > Whats your fav Hawkwind song on ; In Search of Space > > At 12:21 AM 06/30/2000 +0100, you wrote: > > Andy G here - suddenly I've got no e.mails coming through from the > >group - is there something wrong or have I been thrown out for too big a > >mouth? Andy Garibaldi. From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Jun 30 00:21:53 2000 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:21:53 -0700 Subject: HW: King Crimson Message-ID: I just got the new King Krimsom CD "The ConstruKction Of Light." In the thanks section of the liner notes, Richard Chadwick is mentioned (right after Bill Bruford). Does anyone know if it's the same Richard, and what the connection is? Kevin Sommers From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 30 05:19:35 2000 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:19:35 +0100 Subject: NIK: Ice Ritual Message-ID: Got this this morning - number 297 of 300, so they might be getting scarce... Anyway it's not bad at all! An especially fine Assault and Battery/Golden Void. Nice one, Santtu! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.andy.gilham.btinternet.co.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 30 05:33:07 2000 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:33:07 +0100 Subject: HW : PXR 5 CD Wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000629054442.00687274@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.20000629054442.00687274 at pop.mindspring.com>, Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley writes >Anyway you can, get it, e-mail me, make some money. >The deal is still open til I get it. >Thanks for the responses. >Condition : Like New >I will post when I've satisfied this search. > No Patience in Bama. You can have mine, Wes. I take it you got the Warrior OK? -- Jon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jun 30 09:12:13 2000 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:12:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: Forwarding....FYI. BOC founder Eric Bloom discusses the band's odd inspirations and why they "Don't care if kids don't like poetry!!" Check it out at the INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR TRADITIONAL HEAVY ROCK COVERAGE!!! Electric Basement-High Voltage Rock http://www.electricbasement.com Reliable Newswire 7 Days a Week! This ain't the website of love... From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Fri Jun 30 10:40:08 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:40:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures UK offer Message-ID: I have six copies (still shrink wrapped) of Thrilling Hawkwind Adventures. Willing to trade or will sell for ?7 each (postage included). Please e-mail off list. Stuart NP Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://shop.affinia.com/zeitgeist/Store4/ - The Hawkwind Shop http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Jun 30 11:33:10 2000 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:33:10 EDT Subject: OFF:Terrascope/Terrastock 4 News Message-ID: Before we get to the announcement you've all been anticipating, some other bits of news: The Ptolemaic Terrascope website is undergoing a facelift. Finally. As of this writing, the "front end" has been revamped slightly to make it a bit more clear as to what is where. Let us know what you think by writing to webmaster at terrascope.org. We've also added a "misc. reviews" section to the website, containing some CD and book reviews that never made it to the printed version of the magazine. In the near future, you can expect an expanded links section, new feature articles, and as always, the latest Terrastock news. Speaking of Terrastock news.... PRESTIGIOUS FESTIVAL RETURNS TO THE U.S. FOR FOURTH ANNUAL JAMBOREE The fourth Terrastock festival of arts and music takes place this year over the weekend of November 3rd - 5th. The venue chosen is the historic Showbox, located in downtown Seattle, Washington, USA. Terrastock IV aims to build on the continuing tradition and success of the first three Terrastock festivals, held in Providence, RI (1997), San Francisco CA (1998), and in London, England (1999). This upcoming three-day event has been conceived in a similar spirit of "peace, love and cooperation" in order to celebrate the music championed by the long running magazine, The Ptolemaic Terrascope. This year we are pleased to be associated with our good friend and associate Chris Porter, from the Seattle-based arts and events company One Reel. Together we hope to make Terrastock IV one of the most outstanding of what has already been a very special series of events. Terrastock is not an indie rock record company feeding frenzy. Bands and artists will be there solely at the personal invitation of the organizers. The one thing they all have in common is the fact that each has at some time been adulated in The Ptolemaic Terrascope. It's simply about the music and that indefinable "spirit of Terrastock". If you were fortunate enough to be at any of the previous Terrastocks, you'll already know what we mean. And if you're intrigued enough to check out what all the fuss has been about in previous years, then now's your chance: don't hesitate, because tickets to this unique event are promising to sell out VERY quickly indeed. Below you'll find a list of confirmed bands and artists to date, many of who are travelling over vast continents and oceans under their own steam to be with us. Bear in mind that this is by no means a complete and final roster and is subject to confirmation. As always, we have several additional guest artists and special surprises in store. If you are a musician or a record label who thinks your band would also be ideal for Terrastock, then please first consider the fact that we selected those mentioned below from a short-list of over 200 names as long ago as February this year. There really is no point in adding any further names at this juncture, although we do genuinely appreciate your support and interest. Please be aware that in a probably futile attempt to break even this year, a NO GUEST LIST - ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS policy has been adopted for Terrastock IV. This does NOT mean that if you're the cousin of someone who guested on kazoo for one of the bands who performed in the parking lot outside Terrastock 3 you're entitled to get into the festival for free; neither does it mean if you're the CEO of a record label of one of the bands who are appearing that you get a free ticket for yourself, your kids and your secretary. Weekend passes, which are available through Ticketweb (see below for details), can be purchased this year at the extremely reasonable price of $65.00 until August 31st, thereafter still only $75.00. This is for three days worth of music remember, and a chance to see many bands who are making a rare if not unique appearance in the North West. Orders MUST be made by the cut-off date in order to attract the early supporter rate. However, since we anticipate the festival to completely sell out well in advance of the cut-off date once again, it's in your own best interest to PURCHASE YOUR TICKETS IMMEDIATELY. Furthermore, in order to minimize potential disappointment this year, we have limited orders to a maximum of 4 passes per person ordering. If you have any questions regarding directions, travel information, accommodation, or the comparative price of pasta shells in Seattle, feel free to regularly check our website at http://www.terrascope.org - we will be posting as much information as possible there throughout the coming months. Likewise, to subscribe to the Terrascope's mailing list for updates and related news, please send a message to terraguests at terrascope.org and put SUBSCRIBE in the subject line. CONFIRMED BANDS SO FAR ABUNAI! THE ALCHEMYSTS AMBER ASYLUM THE BEVIS FROND CHARALAMBIDES CHILDREN OF THE RAINBOW COUNTRY JOE McDONALD & THE FROND-FISH DAMON AND NAOMI DONOVAN'S BRAIN ETHEREAL COUNTERBALANCE GHOST THE GREEN PAJAMAS THE LINUS PAULING QUARTET LOTHARS MAJOR STARS MARTYN BATES (Eyeless in Gaza) MAZARIN THE MINUS FIVE THE MONKEYWRENCH PAT ORCHARD THE SIX ORGANS OF ADMITTANCE SPACEHEADS STONE BREATH SUBARACHNOID SPACE TARANTEL WELLWATER CONSPIRACY WINDY AND CARL CONTACT INFORMATION Venue address: Showbox 1426 1st Avenue Seattle, WA 98101 (206-628-3151) Tickets (go on sale TODAY at 6am Pacific Time, 9am Eastern): * Ticketweb (www.ticketweb.com or call 1-800-965-4827) Direct link to purchase tickets on-line: http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=wa&query=schedule&attract=37999 * Sonic Boom Records, Seattle (206-547-2666) * Orpheum Records, Seattle (206-322-6370) Festival Organizer: Chris Porter One Reel P.O. Box 9750 Seattle, WA 98109 cporter at onereel.org Festival Promoter: Phil McMullen, The Ptolemaic Terrascope, PO Box 2152, Melksham, Wiltshire SN12 7UQ, England Editor at terrascope.org From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jun 30 12:06:44 2000 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:06:44 +0300 Subject: NIK: Ice Ritual Message-ID: >Got this this morning - number 297 of 300, so they might be getting >scarce... Yeah, this will be futures very rare item. >Anyway it's not bad at all! An especially fine Assault and Battery/Golden >Void. Nice one, Santtu! He is not on the list, but I will tell him. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Fri Jun 30 13:16:48 2000 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:16:48 -0500 Subject: HW: King Crimson Message-ID: Kevin Sommers: > I just got the new King Krimsom CD "The ConstruKction Of Light." In > the > thanks section of the liner notes, Richard Chadwick is mentioned > (right > after Bill Bruford). Does anyone know if it's the same Richard, and > what > the connection is? KC's manager; not the same guy. -Hogard From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 30 13:51:49 2000 From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:51:49 +0100 Subject: What's happening Message-ID: Hi, It's back - fave song on 'ISOS; just has to be 'Masters Of The Universe' altho' fave track is 'You Shouldn't Do That' which sums up Hawkwind in just 2 tracks. Back and proud of it, Andy Garibaldi ======================== > > OK, if I have to narrow it down further: "You Know You're Only Dreaming" > > Kevin Sommers > > > > Whats your fav Hawkwind song on ; In Search of Space From wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jun 30 14:09:51 2000 From: wilberry at MINDSPRING.COM (Wilma Berry/ and: or / Wesley) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:09:51 -0500 Subject: What's happening In-Reply-To: <004901bfe2be$01587060$7c4595c1@s8d3c4> Message-ID: Doremi Fasol Latido.....................Fav. track = "Space is Deep" ISOS = ...only Dreaming. At 06:51 PM 06/30/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, >It's back - fave song on 'ISOS; just has to be 'Masters Of The Universe' >altho' fave track is 'You Shouldn't Do That' which sums up Hawkwind in just >2 tracks. >Back and proud of it, >Andy Garibaldi >======================== >> >> OK, if I have to narrow it down further: "You Know You're Only Dreaming" >> >> Kevin Sommers >> >> >> > Whats your fav Hawkwind song on ; In Search of Space > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Jun 30 16:40:49 2000 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:40:49 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW: another connexion! Message-ID: According to the website for Space Team Electra, They opened for Nik Turner and are being produced (at some point in time, at least) by Sandy Pearlman. AND, there's a PICTURE OF THE DUDE at http://spaceteamelectra.com/ste_pictures/sandy/total.htm Theres also photos of his AlphaOmega Studio on the page too. and the band space team electra... but thats incidental. :) What a strange cat he be. fly your freak flag on the 4th, Jason From stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM Fri Jun 30 11:51:41 2000 From: stuarthamilton at STRAYDUCK.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: URIAH HEEP FREE GIG / VIDEO SHOOT - LONDON Message-ID: Uriah Heep to film at the Astoria! DATE: JULY 15th, 2000 WHERE: THE ASTORIA - Charing Cross Road, London, England WHEN: 2 p.m. - 6 p.m. (14:00 - 18:00) Please join the fun and be with the boys as they shoot for a television and DVD promo in support of the new live album entitled "FUTURE ECHOES OF THE PAST"!! At the same time they will also be shooting material for a promo to support a possible single release! Here's your chance to be in a Heep vid and Promo!!!! We need as many Uriah Heep fans as possible to pack the London Astoria between 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. (14:00 and 18:00) on Saturday July 15th, 2000. Please come out to the Astoria and support the band! This is not a live gig; it is a film shoot with all the usual stopping and starting. However, the actual filming will be to playback of the new CD so it's a great opportunity to get a preview of the CD ahead of its official release and, for the teminaly vain, it's the opportunity to get on the television. The bar will be open and we will also be producing a special limited edition T-shirt to mark the occasion which everyone who attends gets one free!! In addition the band will be around later to have a few drinks and talk with the fans and sign autographs etc. It is quite OK to bring friends relatives and anyone else you can think of as quite simply it is the more the merrier!!! IF you plan on attending, PLEASE contact Bob Carruthers (Cromwell Productions) at cmbahf at cs.com in order for them to be able to keep a handle on the number of people that will attend! Stuart Blessings and peace from; Zeitgeist, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "A man without love is no man at all, just a cold, bitter wind passing by" http://www.zeitgeist-scot.co.uk - home to the e-zine http://shop.affinia.com/zeitgeist/Store4/ - The Hawkwind Shop http://www.stuarthamilton.co.uk - a kind of portal thing http://hawkwind.freeservers.com - HW resource site http://rock-wallpaper.freeservers.com - Rock Wallpapers http://leahlail.co.uk - site about the VIP actress