From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Wed Dec 27 16:44:20 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:44:20 -0000
Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks)
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.214420.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

would be nice though if someone got round to releasing warrior again.
I used to have it on cd but felt that P.X.R.5. on CD was worth swapping it
for.
Cheers for that Filip! :-)
All i need now is Astounding and i'll have all the Charisma material
hawkwind/hawklords did on charisma.

colm

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 27 November 2000 19:39
Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks)


>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
><andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>>ah yes - Warrior....
>>What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why
>>'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like
the
>>rest, so where's the problem?
>
>Except that it wasn't *exactly* on UA.  I don't know what the precise
>details were, but for some reason, the album seems to exist "outside" of
>the five standard UA releases.  In the United States, it was released on
>Atco, and I believe it came out on other labels elsewhere in the world
>(it's UA in Europe, I know) - Mike C?
>
>Also, when the reissue on Griffin came out, I remember it had been noted
>that EMI UK had lost the original UA master tape, and the reissue was
>mastered from a safety master copy found in Atco's vaults in New York City.
>
>Neither of those explain why it's out of print (nor why core albums like
>'Astounding Sounds', 'Quark', 'PXR5' and '25 Years On' are also unavailable
>... while Castle runs of more remasters of also-rans like 'Palace Springs'
>and 'IitFtbD'), but it shows that WHATEVER the story is, it's something
>complicated.
>
>        -Doug
>         ceres at sirius.com
>


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Fri Dec  1 01:06:53 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:06:53 -0000
Subject: HW:
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.060653.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Didn't you go as a goth to Brixton? ;-) Twice in one year tut tut.

If anyone needs any glitter, I'm still trying to get the damn stuff outta my
hair.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: Kirsten Procter <kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: HW:


> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Keith Barton wrote:
>
> > Arin Komins wrote:
> >
> > > >From the updates page:
> > >
> > > We had the idea of suggesting people come to the gig in fancy dress,
and
> > > yep; you guessed it - the best costumes voted on the night will get
you in
> > > to the after party party !!!
> > >
> > > 1) Will it be only those folks in "best costumes" who get to go?
> > >
> >
> > Right that does it, I'm going dressed as a certain Islamic killer that
> > Hawkwind are so fond of!!
> >
> > What are you lot going as?
>
>
>  I'll be going as a goth, and if we hhave to miss any to get the last tube
> back to Rickmansworht, I'll be going as a n extremely unhappy goth.
>
> 3 Kirsten
>


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Fri Dec  1 01:09:39 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:09:39 -0000
Subject: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.060939.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Rolph Harris Space Ritual reunion band, I wouldn't put it past Nik ;-)

Heh!

Rolf on Stylophone ;-)

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: John H. McCartney <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT


> > >
> > > I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage?
> >
> > Only if you come as Rolf Harris.
> >
>
>
> Having heard what he did to Stairway To Heaven, I can only imagine
> what he'd do to Master Of The Universe.....  <shudder>
>
>
>
> scorch
>
> (Tie me Silver Machine down, sport!)
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 05:03:41 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:33:41 +1030
Subject: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.203341.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Having heard what he did to Stairway To Heaven, I can only imagine
> what he'd do to Master Of The Universe.....  <shudder>

i am the master of the wobble board

wobblewobblewobble  wobblewobblewobble   (w/- delay)

:)

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Warren <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT


> Rolph Harris Space Ritual reunion band, I wouldn't put it past Nik ;-)
>
> Heh!
>
> Rolf on Stylophone ;-)
>
> Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John H. McCartney <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT
>
>
> > > >
> > > > I'm coming from Australia - does that lend me any extra advantage?
> > >
> > > Only if you come as Rolf Harris.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Having heard what he did to Stairway To Heaven, I can only imagine
> > what he'd do to Master Of The Universe.....  <shudder>
> >
> >
> >
> > scorch
> >
> > (Tie me Silver Machine down, sport!)
> >
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 05:17:26 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:47:26 +1030
Subject: HW - testers required
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.204726.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

This is for the Electric Tepee

Would some kind souls with a few spare moments please 
come & check out the Wall of fame at the Tepee
I have some animations I did in Flash & was wondering
if the downloadload time was too long or whatever?

Also curious what speed modem or connection being used.

Peace & or Chaos
whichever your alignment may be!

Mich at el B
South Oz

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From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 05:38:54 2000
From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:38:54 +0000
Subject: HW - testers required
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.103854.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Blackman wrote:

> Hi This is for the Electric Tepee Would some kind souls with a few
> spare moments pleasecome & check out the Wall of fame at the TepeeI
> have some animations I did in Flash & was wonderingif the downloadload
> time was too long or whatever? Also curious what speed modem or
> connection being used. Peace & or Chaoswhichever your alignment may
> be! Mich at el BSouth Oz

Seems fine to me. Very nice too!

Keef

(2Mb connection)


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 07:27:06 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:57:06 +1030
Subject: tepee chat
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.225706.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Theres two doods at lectric tepee chat right now

cmon over doods

Mb

give it at least three or four go's before quitting  :)

http://members.nbci.com/michaelangelo1968/
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From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 08:17:00 2000
From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:17:00 +0000
Subject: HW: 1970's footage
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.131700.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>>They found that whole gig from the early 70s a few years back but lost
the sound tapes, which is tragic.  Whatever did happen to that film, I
presume the tapes are still lost as we haven't seen it released :-(

I'd love to see it, even without sound. Anyone know a contact for this?

>>I heard a rumour (from a reliable source) that someone in Scandinavia
has a Space Ritual video - in Black & White.

Again, can we track this further? Please, please, please??

Steve Litchfield
http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 09:37:10 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:37:10 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970's footage
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.143710.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The 1970 footage comes from a London gig not Isle Of Wight albeit without
sound - so that makes two films from 1970 at least. It would be interesting
to see these even if overdubbed by material from the first LP.

The Space Ritual footage rumours: is this a combination of the two rumours
that I have heard of i) Nik Turner has the b and w footage, and ii) part of
the show was filmed by Swedish/Danish TV. As for rumour i) I put this Nik
during the Q and A session - he didn't have it, and hadn't heard of it, but
was into releasing it if it could be found. Rumour ii) may be derived from
the information that a Scandanavian TV station filmed part of the 74 tour
(in colour!!). The truth is, as they say,  out there.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 01 December 2000 13:16
Subject: HW: 1970's footage


>>>They found that whole gig from the early 70s a few years back but lost
>the sound tapes, which is tragic.  Whatever did happen to that film, I
>presume the tapes are still lost as we haven't seen it released :-(
>
>I'd love to see it, even without sound. Anyone know a contact for this?
>
>>>I heard a rumour (from a reliable source) that someone in Scandinavia
>has a Space Ritual video - in Black & White.
>
>Again, can we track this further? Please, please, please??
>
>Steve Litchfield
>http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 09:48:16 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:48:16 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.144816.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?

London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
Silver Machine pro
Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
1974 Scandanavian pro
1977 tour audience no sound
1977 Marc Bolan TV show
1980 German TV

Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.

Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 09:51:14 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:51:14 -0000
Subject: HW Studio Sessions
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.145114.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of recording sessions either for record/cd or radio?


Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 10:06:36 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:06:36 -0000
Subject: Glasgow Gong Gig
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.150636.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A good gig but I've seen them better. Daevid was on fine form - some pretty nifty guitar work there. Drums and bass were tight, really good. Theo Travis was excellent on the new material, Magdalene what can I say, but on the older material, whilst technically amazing, lacked Didier's feel. I was a bit disappointed in the new keyboard player, Gwyo, he seemed very low down in the mix - with a distinct lack of synth, more organ stabs. Gilli was on form but again her voice seemed to be mixed low - grinning ear to ear for the whole show too (ho,ho).

Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 09:54:53 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:54:53 -0000
Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.145453.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This was released by Flicknife in the early 80's when was it recorded 74 or 75?

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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 10:24:04 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:24:04 EST
Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.102404.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/1/00 10:18:35 AM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< This was released by Flicknife in the early 80's when was it recorded 74
or 75?


Dave

 >>
=====
...just an outtake, yes?
same time period as the 'warrior' lp; i've got it on cassette, something
called 'masters of metal vol. 2' or thereabouts, where it sticks out like a
sore thumb.

"<>"


From joe.e at TELIA.COM  Fri Dec  1 10:59:06 2000
From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:59:06 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970's footage
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.165906.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 14:37 2000-12-01 -0000, you wrote:
>The 1970 footage comes from a London gig not Isle Of Wight albeit without
>sound - so that makes two films from 1970 at least. It would be interesting
>to see these even if overdubbed by material from the first LP.
>
>The Space Ritual footage rumours: is this a combination of the two rumours
>that I have heard of i) Nik Turner has the b and w footage, and ii) part of
>the show was filmed by Swedish/Danish TV. As for rumour i) I put this Nik
>during the Q and A session - he didn't have it, and hadn't heard of it, but
>was into releasing it if it could be found. Rumour ii) may be derived from
>the information that a Scandanavian TV station filmed part of the 74 tour
>(in colour!!). The truth is, as they say,  out there.
>
>Dave


As I don't remember the details from my investigations in this issue, I've
used the archive to make some cut'n'paste work. This is the results:
[BOC-l-archive: 1995, 1997, 1999]

If I could find that paper clip, I'll scan the Space Poppers and make it
available on the net.

------------------------------------
1973.09.15 Swedish television filmed a Peace and Love festival in
Scandinavium, Gothenburg, where the Hawks was one of 6-8 bands playing
all night. The whole set was filmed, and was broadcasted almost a year
later - 1974.07.26 - in our second uncommercial channel TV2, local
time 21:35.

I got a clip from the tv guide in the local tabloid paper Aftonbladet
26th of July 1974, saying "Rymdpop, Tasavallan och Pugh i j?ttegala"

There's a big color pic of an eight musicnauts strong Hawkwind, along
with the following [fast] translated text:

"The pop festival in Gothenburg was a disapoinment, said the critics.
The English Space Poppers Hawkwind, with its light- and soundshow
"Space Ritual" was one of the more interesting piece, meant one
recencent."

The Hawkwind shot was well cut down - only a 2-3 mins passage of the
second verse of Master of the Universe was left - but "it was HEAVY"
claims hawkfriend K.S?ren Bengtsson of darXtar, who is remembering
Seeing It As It Really Were in his parents television set.

Nazareth was on the festival bill, but didn't show up.

Hawkwind was probably on stage at the same minute our old king died, that
very evening in 1973. There was no mention of something Earthly as a pop
festival in the papers the days after, for understandable reasons.


If you got a time machine, and manage to tune in 26th of July, National
Swedish Broadcast TV2, 21:35 - you've also got 2-3 minutes of Master of the
Universe.

Unfortunally the Royal Swedish Television have erased all media from this
event to save Space on their shelves.


peace, .joe
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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 13:35:14 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:35:14 -0500
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.133514.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
comments, recommendations?


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Fri Dec  1 14:39:53 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:39:53 -0800
Subject: Your Message Sent on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:30:57 GMT
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.113953.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Rolph Harris Space Ritual reunion band, I wouldn't put it past Nik ;-)
>
> Heh!
>
> Rolf on Stylophone ;-)
>

I dunno, but it'd probably get Ginger on board!


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Fri Dec  1 14:46:40 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:46:40 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.194640.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Dave wrote:
> I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>
>London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>Silver Machine pro
>Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
>1974 Scandanavian pro
>1977 tour audience no sound
>1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>1980 German TV
>
>Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>
>Dave

I think I mentioned this last year, but in Record Collector (Feb 1993) Dave Brock says that the BBC filmed for half an hour at Dunstable for the Silver Machine clip. He also says that Charisma made a film to accompany the Hawlords album. And someone (not a HW fan) once told me many years ago (about 1980) that they had seen a clip of HW on tv - he couldn't give me any details - he only took notice of it because they had two drummers on stage, which assuming its true, would put it at 75-76.

Mick.






May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.

--------------------
talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com


From other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM  Fri Dec  1 15:29:23 2000
From: other.mark at NTLWORLD.COM (Mark Kelly)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:29:23 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.202923.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Didn't they do some stuff for the TV show 'E.C.T.' that Channel 4 did years ago, I seem to remember 'The Right Stuff' being done...........................

Mark
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?

  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
  Silver Machine pro
  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
  1974 Scandanavian pro
  1977 tour audience no sound
  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
  1980 German TV
   
  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
   
  Dave
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From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec  1 15:28:12 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:28:12 -0800
Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.122812.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:54:53 -0000, david hall
<dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
>This was released by Flicknife in the early 80's when was it recorded 74
or 75?

The short answer is that, to me, it sounds exactly like the released track,
minus any vocal overdubs, so that would put the recording date as early '75
(same as the rest of the 'Warrior' LP ... I don't know the *exact* dates
they were in the studio, but the album was released in May? 1975, right?).

What I *suspect*, is that during the recording of 'Warrior', the band (or
at least Dave, and presumably the "soloists"/vocalists - Nik, Simon House &
Lemmy), received rough mixes of the basic tracks, before any overdubs were
recorded (definitely standard practice in multi-track recording).  That
would explain why the version of "Motorhead" doesn't have the original sax,
violin and vocal overdubs.  The Flicknife versions of both "Kings of Speed"
AND "Motorhead" would have come from these (hypothetical) tapes - the
former in its original form, the latter with Dave's vocal & synth overdubs
done contemporary to the release, NOT the original recording.  The giveaway
for that hypothesis (overdubs done late 70s/early 80s, NOT '75) is the
"popping" synth noises.  Had they been recorded in '75, the synth used
would have been either EMS (Synthi AKS), Moog (Minimoog), or possibly ARP
(Odyssey or 2600).  The sound is clearly an LFO-modulated resonant filter,
and it sounds nothing like the filters of those instruments.  However, it
does sound A LOT like the resonant filter of a Korg MS-20 (first
manufactured in 78 or 79), which Dave & Hawkwind were using extensively
circa 80/83 (it's listed on the 'Church of Hawkwind' gear list).

I prefer the synth overdubs of the Flicknife version to the violin & sax on
the original (those instruments just don't seem right for the band that was
named after the song, but the synths are sufficiently aggressive ... and
the synth "notes" [as opposed to "noises] sound awful close to the guitar
solo Fast Eddie played on live versions the song - 'No Sleep Til
Hammersmith' etc.), but nobody can sing that song like Lemmy can!

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Fri Dec  1 16:14:31 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:14:31 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <002101c05ba8$93ca0ea0$854b893e@default>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.221431.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi there

Here are some of the dates:

At 14:48 01.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:


>London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
London, 12.04.1970

>Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
27-31.08.1970

>Silver Machine pro
Dunstable, 07.07.1972 (I've got that one)

>Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
Nov-Dec 1972

>1974 Scandanavian pro
1974 is wrong The right one is: Mantorps        Festival        14.09.1973


>1977 tour audience no sound
Newcastle, 19.09.1976 (I've got that one)
Newcastle, 20.09.1977 (I've got that one)


>1977 Marc Bolan TV show
14.09.1977 (I've got that one)

>1980 German TV
14.02.1981 (I've got that one)


Here are some more:

London  26.04.1985 (I've got that one)
Pentrich 31.07.1993 (I've got that one)
London 14.04.1996 (I've got that one)



cheers
Bernhard


From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 16:24:47 2000
From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:24:47 -0000
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.212447.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

'Almost' is as good as it gets for us atheists

Geoff

geoff wright
g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Lindsey <slindsey at IDIRECT.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 01 December 2000 01:42
Subject: Which pub are we meeting


>Right - got me ticket, got me plane ticket, I'm off to Blighty !!
>
>Now sorry for the repeat question but what pub are we meeting in this time,
>and if the pre-show is at 3pm what time are we going to meet at the pub ?
>Breakfast time ?
>
>Looking forward to seeing everybody again (oh I haven't seen any pictures
>from
>the pub last time - did anyone take any ?)
>
>
>Oh and a few points from the Hawkestra seeing as I never posted anything
>
>1) Someone commented at one point that "It was almost religious"
>        -  I mean come on - what do you mean "almost"  ?
>
>2) to bear out this point, its funny but I have absolutely no recolleciton
>of them playing 'Shouldn't Do That', even though I remmeber every other
song
>clearly (well sort of)
>        I do remember standing thinking to myself "Lemmy ? Lemmy ?? Lemmy !
Lemmy
>!!..."
>        for quite a while... I think that must have been when they played
it...
>
>Cheers
>Steve Lindsey
>


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec  1 16:15:27 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:15:27 -0800
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.131527.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Thanks for the info, Bernhard!  Mind if I ask a couple questions ... ?

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:14:31 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech
<bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE> wrote:
>Hi there
>
>Here are some of the dates:
>
>At 14:48 01.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>1977 tour audience no sound
>Newcastle, 19.09.1976 (I've got that one)
>Newcastle, 20.09.1977 (I've got that one)

Could the first one be the one that Mick Crook's friend saw (two drummers)?

How long are the above two clips?  Is it possible to tell what songs are
performed from Bob's costumes ("Steppenwolf" or "Hassan i Sahba" would be
pretty obvious, I'd think ... not sure about some of the other tracks from
that era)?

>Here are some more:
>
>London  26.04.1985 (I've got that one)

Is this the TV performance of "The Right Stuff" (and "Dream Worker" IIRC)
from E.C.T that Mark Kelly referred to in his message?

Thanks!

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec  1 16:17:06 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:17:06 -0800
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.131706.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:24:47 -0000, "g.m.wright"
<g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK> wrote:
>'Almost' is as good as it gets for us atheists

What about those of us who worship at the Church Of Hawkwind?

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 13:32:30 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:32:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Additional HW IoW footage
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.183230.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
About 18 months ago I saw a "documentary" on 1970 Isle of Wight festival.
(On one of the 5 standard UK channels)
I think the whole point of the programme was to show various members of the audience as they were then, and as they are now.
During one particular IoW shot, I swear I saw Nik strolling around.
Just a 2 or 3 second shot.
Similar to the cover shot of the Festival issue of History Of Rock, but unsure now if he was painted or not.

Borrowing the recent IoW prog on video soon, so will check out the Ollis shot.
A mate of mine also reckons that he spotted him, so it looks promising.

Jez  


 
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From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Fri Dec  1 15:51:38 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:51:38 -0400
Subject: HW: Which pub are we meeting
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001201131706.009e3940@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.165138.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> <g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK> wrote:
>> 'Almost' is as good as it gets for us atheists
>
> What about those of us who worship at the Church Of Hawkwind?
>
> -Doug
> ceres at sirius.com

On the sixth day Hawkwind ditched the blanga, and saw that it was good, but
not great?

There is no Hawkwind. It's a mass delusion caused by our desire as a society
to believe our lives have a greater meaning within the vastness of
spacerock.

I think Carl Sagan said that.... ;-)

Brian
OBgig> The Mahavishnu Project, Rochester, NY 11/30/00

--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Fri Dec  1 16:56:31 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:56:31 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001201131527.009e09f0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.225631.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Doug

At 13:15 01.12.2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info, Bernhard!

Its a pleasure for me if I can help you!!




>Mind if I ask a couple questions ... ?

Yeah, no problem





>>>1977 tour audience no sound
>>Newcastle, 19.09.1976 (I've got that one)
>>Newcastle, 20.09.1977 (I've got that one)

>Could the first one be the one that Mick Crook's friend saw (two >drummers)?

I am not sure. The footage is not very good





>How long are the above two clips?

Each clip is about 10 minutes long




>Is it possible to tell what songs are performed from Bob's >costumes
("Steppenwolf" or "Hassan i Sahba" would be
>pretty obvious, I'd think ... not sure about some of the other >tracks
from that era)?

I am sure that "Hassan" is performed on both videos





>>London  26.04.1985 (I've got that one)

>Is this the TV performance of "The Right Stuff" (and "Dream >Worker"
IIRC)from E.C.T that Mark Kelly referred to in his >message?

HAWKWIND played:

- right stuff
- angels of death


cheers
Bernhard


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 17:09:29 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:09:29 EST
Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.170929.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/1/00 12:38:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes:

> I prefer the synth overdubs of the Flicknife version to the violin & sax on
>  the original (those instruments just don't seem right for the band that was
>  named after the song, but the synths are sufficiently aggressive ... and
>  the synth "notes" [as opposed to "noises] sound awful close to the guitar
>  solo Fast Eddie played on live versions the song - 'No Sleep Til
>  Hammersmith' etc.), but nobody can sing that song like Lemmy can!
>
>  Anyone else have thoughts on this?
>

Rather interesting, I always wondered about this. So if you were gonna list
recording dates for this you'd have to say '75/sometime in the early '80s. I
love that "popping", though I think of it more as "the machine gun", and when
playing air-instruments to this, I take that stance. as for the vox, I
actually dig Dave, especially that "ohhh!!" towards the end, which actually
isn't present on some Anthology/AD versions, requiring yet another Codex
entry just for one stupid little (but very awesome) "Ohhhh!".

hmm, Chuck


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 17:25:41 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:25:41 EST
Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 11/25/00
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.172541.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

11/25/00

1.Silver Apples--Oscillations (Silver Apples ST'd LP and MCA comp)
2.  "          "    --Seagreen Serenades ("          "               "
"    )
3.  "          "    --Lovefingers               ( "          "
"        "    )
4.Nik Turner--D-Rider (Space Ritual 1994)

5.Chrome--New Age (Red Exposure, Chrome Box)
6.Skye Klad--Amber (sampler of forthcoming album)
7.Salome--Planet of the Apes (a.m.)
8.Farflung--Vision of Infinity (7", So Many Minds So Little Time)
9.Orb--More Gills Less Fishcakes (Pomme Fritz)
10.Third Eye Foundation--In Bristol w/a Pistol (You Guys Kill Me)

11.Voco Kesh--One Brief Glimpse at the Face of Obliveon (Paradise Revisited)
12.Tangerine Dream--Movements of a Visionary (Phaedra, Space Daze comp)

13.Ozric Tentacles--Sploosh! (Strangeitude, Space Daze comp)
14.Doldrums--Mahatma Wants His Rice Back (Serotonin Ronin II comp)

15.Melting Euphoria--In Aquarian Dream (Space Box comp)
16.Pressurehed--Slo Blo (Sudden Vertigo, Space Box comp)
17.Sun Ra--Rocket #9 (Space is the Place)

"Bonus Freak-out Set": 2:30--5:30am PST, feat. Galas-Jones/
Kluster/Residents/ Knights of the Occasional
Table/Dilate/Rugburns/Zappa/Beafheart/
Manilla Road/Blue Oyster Cult/Ashra/Gong/Cheech & Chong/Dr. Know/Ludichist/
Chrome/Dark Matter/Kinder Atom/Alien Sex Fiend/F/i/Brain/Zero Gravity/
Church of Hawkwind

thanks, Chuck

"SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR.
TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html (New Link @ KUCR web-site!
Wow!)
For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing
list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com.


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 17:49:53 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:49:53 +0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <200012012156.WAA03009@mail.home.ins.de>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.224953.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <200012012156.WAA03009 at mail.home.ins.de>, Bernhard
Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE> writes
>>Is this the TV performance of "The Right Stuff" (and "Dream >Worker"
>IIRC)from E.C.T that Mark Kelly referred to in his >message?
>
>HAWKWIND played:
>
>- right stuff
>- angels of death
>
>

I remember that. It was a strange programme. A motley assortment of acts
(mostly second-string HM bands) performed live in an empty studio. Nul
points for atmosphere. Hawkwind were the only decent band I can
remember being on it. They looked totally out of it and I remember Brock
caused a bit of a stir by saying 'we like smoking The Right Stuff' at the
conclusion of the song. The prog was shown at about 5.30pm and there was
at least one article (or maybe a  letter) I read in the press expressing outrage
at this shameful attempt to encourage the nation's youth to break the law
(I'm paraphrasing but you can imagine how it went). As an impressionable
16 or 17 year old I was shocked- by the bile in the newspaper that is, not by
Brocky's comment, which struck me as no more than a simple statement of
fact.
--
Nick Medford


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec  1 18:36:37 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:36:37 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.233637.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The Marc footage definitely exists - I remember it being shown at the Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the whole of Bob Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth tracking down.

Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly the same version as the Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put the session as early 1975.

Captain Black
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?

  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
  Silver Machine pro
  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
  1974 Scandanavian pro
  1977 tour audience no sound
  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
  1980 German TV
   
  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
   
  Dave
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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec  1 18:41:30 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:41:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.234130.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Synths used - Hawkwind used, as you say, several EMS Synthi AKS machines,
and a Korg 700. Simon House has vague recollections of a rented  Minimoog
being used in the studios for Warriors and Astounding.

Captain Bl at ck


----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Kings Of Speed Instrumental


> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:54:53 -0000, david hall
> <dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:
> >This was released by Flicknife in the early 80's when was it recorded 74
> or 75?
>
> The short answer is that, to me, it sounds exactly like the released
track,
> minus any vocal overdubs, so that would put the recording date as early
'75
> (same as the rest of the 'Warrior' LP ... I don't know the *exact* dates
> they were in the studio, but the album was released in May? 1975, right?).
>
> What I *suspect*, is that during the recording of 'Warrior', the band (or
> at least Dave, and presumably the "soloists"/vocalists - Nik, Simon House
&
> Lemmy), received rough mixes of the basic tracks, before any overdubs were
> recorded (definitely standard practice in multi-track recording).  That
> would explain why the version of "Motorhead" doesn't have the original
sax,
> violin and vocal overdubs.  The Flicknife versions of both "Kings of
Speed"
> AND "Motorhead" would have come from these (hypothetical) tapes - the
> former in its original form, the latter with Dave's vocal & synth overdubs
> done contemporary to the release, NOT the original recording.  The
giveaway
> for that hypothesis (overdubs done late 70s/early 80s, NOT '75) is the
> "popping" synth noises.  Had they been recorded in '75, the synth used
> would have been either EMS (Synthi AKS), Moog (Minimoog), or possibly ARP
> (Odyssey or 2600).  The sound is clearly an LFO-modulated resonant filter,
> and it sounds nothing like the filters of those instruments.  However, it
> does sound A LOT like the resonant filter of a Korg MS-20 (first
> manufactured in 78 or 79), which Dave & Hawkwind were using extensively
> circa 80/83 (it's listed on the 'Church of Hawkwind' gear list).
>
> I prefer the synth overdubs of the Flicknife version to the violin & sax
on
> the original (those instruments just don't seem right for the band that
was
> named after the song, but the synths are sufficiently aggressive ... and
> the synth "notes" [as opposed to "noises] sound awful close to the guitar
> solo Fast Eddie played on live versions the song - 'No Sleep Til
> Hammersmith' etc.), but nobody can sing that song like Lemmy can!
>
> Anyone else have thoughts on this?
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec  1 18:45:47 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:45:47 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.234547.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Bronze apparently did a promo vid for Who's Gonna Win the War, with Dave
dressed as a vicar.  I've never seen it, but again, it must be worth
tracking down.

 Then there's also the Hawklords video mentioned in Do Not Panic...

Captain Bl at ck


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


> Dave wrote:
> > I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
> >
> >London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
> >Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
> >Silver Machine pro
> >Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
> >1974 Scandanavian pro
> >1977 tour audience no sound
> >1977 Marc Bolan TV show
> >1980 German TV
> >
> >Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a
copy of the 1977 live stuff.
> >
> >Dave
>
> I think I mentioned this last year, but in Record Collector (Feb 1993)
Dave Brock says that the BBC filmed for half an hour at Dunstable for the
Silver Machine clip. He also says that Charisma made a film to accompany the
Hawlords album. And someone (not a HW fan) once told me many years ago
(about 1980) that they had seen a clip of HW on tv - he couldn't give me any
details - he only took notice of it because they had two drummers on stage,
which assuming its true, would put it at 75-76.
>
> Mick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.
>
> --------------------
> talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at
http://www.talk21.com


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 19:39:06 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:39:06 EST
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.193906.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Captured Rotation is great. It has Ron on vocs on a few tracks. The Bedouin
cd is pretty good also. And as a matter of fact, I've been unable to track  a
copy down, a few years ago I arranged a trade for one, but received another
cd instead....
anyone have a spare Bedouin for trade, email me privately. It seems that at
least one person is having no problems tracking copies of Alan's solo cd's
Bob

In a message dated 12/1/00 10:35:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes:
> After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
>  solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
>  Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
>  comments, recommendations?


Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 19:47:22 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:47:22 +0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
In-Reply-To: <99.d4de171.27599eaa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.004722.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <99.d4de171.27599eaa at aol.com>, Bob Lennon
<Hawkwinder at AOL.COM> writes
>Captured Rotation is great. It has Ron on vocs on a few tracks. The Bedouin
>cd is pretty good also. And as a matter of fact, I've been unable to track  a
>copy down,

Cheers for the response.

Bedouin is available at www.freakemporium.com - look in the index under
A (they file artists by their first names).

--
Nick Medford


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 19:50:33 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:50:33 EST
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.195033.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nick,
thanks.
I'm shooting over there this instant.
I have the Bedouin cd on cassette, but that don't cut it here.
bob

In a message dated 12/1/00 4:47:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK writes:

> In message <99.d4de171.27599eaa at aol.com>, Bob Lennon
>  <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM> writes
>  >Captured Rotation is great. It has Ron on vocs on a few tracks. The
Bedouin
>  >cd is pretty good also. And as a matter of fact, I've been unable to
track
> a
>  >copy down,
>
>  Cheers for the response.
>
>  Bedouin is available at www.freakemporium.com - look in the index under
>  A (they file artists by their first names).
>
>  --
>  Nick Medford


Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Fri Dec  1 19:54:12 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:54:12 +0000
Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings
In-Reply-To: <$VtALGAsQaJ6Ew$A@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.005412.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Nick Medford wrote:

> I've not heard any of his more recent output with Twink, but everyone who
> has says it's shite. Does anyone anywhere have a good word to say about the
> 'Pleasure Island' album?!

        Yes. Apparently it's better than the one that followed it, _No
Picture_. Which is really quite bad IMO. No inspiration at all,
approximately half a riff made to do an album's work, poor singing
(practically spoken word), a few flashes of overworked humour the only
light patches. Oh and one faintly psychedelic buildup of multi-tracked
guitar in the second half which only goes to show how poor the other
similar track in the first half is. It may well be the worst album I own
but it's Hawk-Konnected so I can't sell it. Ah well. Yours,
                                                            Jon

ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Cultosaurus Erectus_
--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 19:58:28 2000
From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:58:28 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <003501c05bef$8d1a5b40$091128d5@starfield>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.005828.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Some of the Bolan TV shows have been repeated on one of the UK
satellite channels on (I think) Sunday mornings (8:30am I think it
was), possibly UK Gold. Doesn't seem to be running now.

Alasdair

On 1 Dec 00, at 23:36, starfield wrote:

> The Marc footage definitely exists - I remember it being shown at the Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the whole of Bob Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth tracking down.
>
> Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly the same version as the Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put the session as early 1975.
>
> Captain Black
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: david hall
>   To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>   Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
>   Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
>
>
>   I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>
>   London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>   Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>   Silver Machine pro
>   Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
>   1974 Scandanavian pro
>   1977 tour audience no sound
>   1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>   1980 German TV
>
>   Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>
>   Dave
>


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From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 20:39:25 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:09:25 +1030
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.120925.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

That fellow has some incredible energy & stage presence hey??

Most enjoyable!!

Mich at el B
South Oz


----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:05 AM
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo


> After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
> solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
> Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
> comments, recommendations?
>


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 20:48:14 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:48:14 +0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
In-Reply-To: <003501c05c00$b5f101c0$9bd0223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.014814.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And he likes it LOUD. Which is how it should be.

In message <003501c05c00$b5f101c0$9bd0223f at michaelangelo68>, Michael
Blackman <michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU> writes
>That fellow has some incredible energy & stage presence hey??
>
>Most enjoyable!!
>
>Mich at el B
>South Oz
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:05 AM
>Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
>
>
>> After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
>> solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
>> Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
>> comments, recommendations?
>>

--
Nick Medford


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 20:50:54 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:20:54 +1030
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.122054.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Have you heard the words of Hawkwind lately?

Have been busy converting those that know not the Hawkwind path!

Yesterday tuned a friend in and he loves it!!

February I'll be trained for the DJ course and soon after the sonic attack
will begin.

I've got 30+ Hawkwind CD's (my babies) - 1 Starfield  (cool) - 1 Ultra
Violet Rays From Stevs Hayes (cool) - Brainstorm from Melbourne Aust
(cool) - Skye klad (cool)

Fun funfun!!

Mich at el B
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Which pub are we meeting


> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:24:47 -0000, "g.m.wright"
> <g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK> wrote:
> >'Almost' is as good as it gets for us atheists
>
> What about those of us who worship at the Church Of Hawkwind?
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Dec  1 20:51:18 2000
From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:51:18 -0500
Subject: HW: Alan Davey/Bedouin Mini-Review
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.205118.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
comments, recommendations?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Captured Rotation is the shit!

     Must have for any Alan Davey/ Hawkfan
           Ron Tree on 3 tracks.
               'nough said!

Bedouin: Good, but can't touch CR. More straight ahead and less spacerock.
Also, has the obvious middle eastern tunes. A little disappointing after CR
and kinda weak compared to the others. Best Tune is the 11:19 minute Wadi
Dhar. The rest of the tunes are in the 5:00 min range.

Bedouin - Live In Europe Summer 1998
1) Sword Of The East - Kicks Ass!
2) Wings - Pretty cool interpretation.
3) Rock Palace - Opening track from Chaos Delight
   2 minutes longer than the studio track and better.
4) Arioch - Kicks Ass!
5) Bass Junk - Also pretty cool.

Crisp "live" SBD recording. More on the metal side and less on the spacerock
side. Possibly the most similar to what you saw at Brixton, but from the
accounts that I have read, not quite as heavy...(?) Total Time: 29:26 Must
have!

Sci-Fi-delic
1) Sci-fi-delic - driving spacerock instrumental, basic   but excellent.
2)Vulcan Ritual - less driving, more ambient spacerock instrumental
3) Interceptor 1 - catchy spacerock instrumental. Somewhat Krel-like w/ a
guitar edge.
4) Holosuite Program - very middle eastern spacey instrumental.
5) Eagle Alpha - Driving spacerock instrumental w/ heavy drums. Excellent.

This resembles Captured Rotation more than the others, but more basic, not
as "produced" and no Ron Tree. Alan plays all instruments w/ emphasis on
synths and not too much guitar. Also, crisp "studio" recording. tracks
average in the 5:00 range. Total time 24:49. Must have.

Don't have Chaos Delight. I am told that it is better than the S/T Bedouin.
Waiting for Jerry Kranitz or someone in the USA to get me a copy. (hint ")

Hope this Helps!

D-Rider
(Darrin)
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From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec  1 20:56:23 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:26:23 +1030
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.122623.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yeah - could you FEEL the notes coming out of his bass guitar
and I recall him saying he wanted it louder!!

Mich at el B

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey solo


> And he likes it LOUD. Which is how it should be.
>
> In message <003501c05c00$b5f101c0$9bd0223f at michaelangelo68>, Michael
> Blackman <michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU> writes
> >That fellow has some incredible energy & stage presence hey??
> >
> >Most enjoyable!!
> >
> >Mich at el B
> >South Oz
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
> >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 5:05 AM
> >Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
> >
> >
> >> After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of
Alan's
> >> solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
> >> Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
> >> comments, recommendations?
> >>
>
> --
> Nick Medford
>


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 20:55:09 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:55:09 EST
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.205509.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I just happened to pick up "Chaos Delight" this week in San Diego of all
places (same shop where I found the "Hawxtar" disc--place called Off the
Record"on 5th St. in the Hillcrest area. Remember the name if you're ever in
the area.

Anyway, it's pretty good, kinda similar to Motorhead: little progression in
15 years (I've heard his earlier stuff on the Hawk/Elf disc), but who cares.
If you're looking for more guitar-driven '90s-style HW stuff, this should
satisfy you. Some of the tunes are strikingly similar to some off those
tunes, nicked Dave's guitar sound perfectly.

Chuck


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  1 20:59:14 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:59:14 EST
Subject: HW: Alan Davey/Bedouin Mini-Review
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.205914.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/1/00 5:51:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes:

> Sci-Fi-delic
>  1) Sci-fi-delic - driving spacerock instrumental, basic   but excellent.
>  2)Vulcan Ritual - less driving, more ambient spacerock instrumental
>  3) Interceptor 1 - catchy spacerock instrumental. Somewhat Krel-like w/ a
>  guitar edge.
>  4) Holosuite Program - very middle eastern spacey instrumental.
>  5) Eagle Alpha - Driving spacerock instrumental w/ heavy drums. Excellent.
>

All of these titles look like ones on Chaos Delight, so I guess you already
have 5/8ths of that album, unless these are diff. versions.

>  This resembles Captured Rotation more than the others, but more basic, not
>  as "produced" and no Ron Tree. Alan plays all instruments w/ emphasis on
>  synths and not too much guitar. Also, crisp "studio" recording. tracks
>  average in the 5:00 range. Total time 24:49. Must have.
>
>  Don't have Chaos Delight. I am told that it is better than the S/T Bedouin.
>  Waiting for Jerry Kranitz or someone in the USA to get me a copy. (hint ")
>
>  Hope this Helps!
>
>  D-Rider

Hey, i was lucky to find _one_...and i'm keeping it! :) Chuck


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Sat Dec  2 00:17:01 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:17:01 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? marc
 bolan tv show
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.051701.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

bernhard mentioned:
>>1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>14.09.1977 (I've got that one)


is this easily availaible to get hold off?
has anyone got it on mpeg
what song are they performing?
and is it true that dave brock refused to be filmed as he didn't want to
mime?
and they replaced him with a parrot?

cheers

colm


From Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET  Sat Dec  2 00:29:11 2000
From: Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:29:11 -0600
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? marc
 bolan tv show
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.232911.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've got video, kinda fuzzy.

Been toying with the idea of posting some various VCD's.

Quark Strangeness and Charm is the song.

Bob holds the guitar for the song, didn't see any parrots.


----- Original Message -----
From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? marc
bolan tv show


> bernhard mentioned:
> >>1977 Marc Bolan TV show
> >14.09.1977 (I've got that one)
>
>
> is this easily availaible to get hold off?
> has anyone got it on mpeg
> what song are they performing?
> and is it true that dave brock refused to be filmed as he didn't want to
> mime?
> and they replaced him with a parrot?
>
> cheers
>
> colm
>


From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Fri Dec  1 03:01:38 2000
From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Ian Abrahams)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:01:38 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970's footage
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.2000.080138.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 1970's footage


> Hello everyone,
> There was the clip (all 5 seconds of it) of Terry Ollis on that documentry
on the IoW festival on BBC 2 a couple of weeks ago (the one with Mick
Farren). Was this part of that 1970 film without sound that was unearthed a
few years ago or somthing else? Maybe the producer or researcher of the
programme could be contacted to provide some answers. Unfortunately I didn't
tape it, but if anyone did there may be names in the end credits who could
be contacted. Surely the clip must be just a small part of a bigger feature
on the band - just think, lying on a dusty shelf in the BBC archives is
footage of HW playing for free in 1970!
>
> Mick

I noticed this as well, though wasn't 100% sure so didn't mention it. But
didn't it have "Shouldn't Do that" playing on the soundtrack? If so, this
isn't the live footage without sound presumably.

Also, isn't there some early Glastonbury footage on a documentary that C4
showed a few years ago. I didn't see it, but somebody mentioned to me that
they though "Master of the Universe" was shown?

Ian


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Sat Dec  2 03:16:33 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:16:33 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? marc
 bolan tv show
In-Reply-To: <007401c05c1f$2271d180$0f76883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.091633.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

At 05:17 02.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>bernhard mentioned:
>>>1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>>14.09.1977 (I've got that one)

>is this easily availaible to get hold off?
>has anyone got it on mpeg
Sorry, no MPG just a 3 minutes video clip on  PAL/VHS

>what song are they performing?
Quark Strangeness and Charm

>and is it true that dave brock refused to be filmed as he didn't >want to
mime?
Yes thats right

>and they replaced him with a parrot?
No parrot

Robert Calvert has an Falcon on his right arm.
Robert is also playing guitar during this performance


Bernhard


From bwaje at CLARANET.FR  Sat Dec  2 03:35:01 2000
From: bwaje at CLARANET.FR (Olivier Boigey)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:35:01 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <006e01c05bf0$d9e33a40$091128d5@starfield>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.093501.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The Bronze video promo  (Levitation) is only play back material, shot
on studio, with every musician grinning and painted; so it has a
little interest because the tracks are from the LP.

Olivier


>Bronze apparently did a promo vid for Who's Gonna Win the War, with Dave
>dressed as a vicar.  I've never seen it, but again, it must be worth
>tracking down.
>
>  Then there's also the Hawklords video mentioned in Do Not Panic...
>
>Captain Bl at ck
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 7:46 PM
>Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
>
>
>>  Dave wrote:
>>  > I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>>  >
>>  >London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>>  >Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>>  >Silver Machine pro
>>  >Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
>>  >1974 Scandanavian pro
>>  >1977 tour audience no sound
>>  >1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>>  >1980 German TV
>>  >
>>  >Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a
>copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>>  >
>>  >Dave
>>
>>  I think I mentioned this last year, but in Record Collector (Feb 1993)
>Dave Brock says that the BBC filmed for half an hour at Dunstable for the
>Silver Machine clip. He also says that Charisma made a film to accompany the
>Hawlords album. And someone (not a HW fan) once told me many years ago
>(about 1980) that they had seen a clip of HW on tv - he couldn't give me any
>details - he only took notice of it because they had two drummers on stage,
>which assuming its true, would put it at 75-76.
>>
>>  Mick.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.
>>
>>  --------------------
>>  talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at
>http://www.talk21.com


From joe.e at TELIA.COM  Sat Dec  2 05:12:14 2000
From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:12:14 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.111214.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>>1974 Scandanavian pro
>1974 is wrong The right one is: Mantorps        Festival        14.09.1973


now you're messing up the dates, Bernhard.

The festival 15.09.1973 at Scandinavium/Gothenburg vas filmed, and a few
minutes was broadcasted 26.07.1974 at the Swedish TV2.

Hawkwind played the Mantorp Festival (close to Norrkoping/Linkoping) the
summer of 1970 - which probably was the first non UK gig ever. There's a
picture in the This Is Hawkwind, Don Not Panic book from this (for the
arranger so unlucky) event.

.joe


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Sat Dec  2 06:47:16 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:47:16 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20001202110025.107f99a6@m1.171.telia.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.124716.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Joe

At 11:12 02.12.2000 +0100, you wrote:
>>>1974 Scandanavian pro
>>1974 is wrong The right one is: Mantorps        Festival        14.09.1973

>now you're messing up the dates, Bernhard.

>The festival 15.09.1973 at Scandinavium/Gothenburg vas filmed, and a few
>minutes was broadcasted 26.07.1974 at the Swedish TV2.

Ooops! My mistake. Thanks for this info!

>Hawkwind played the Mantorp Festival (close to Norrkoping/Linkoping) the
>summer of 1970 - which probably was the first non UK gig ever.

This was the very first non UK HAWKWIND gig:
Paris, Festival,        29.03.1970

The Mantorp gig was the 2nd one


Bernhard


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Sat Dec  2 07:18:02 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:48:02 +1030
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.224802.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey any one in the UK or thereabouts

please log in to the electric tepee chat room and see how its going

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~michaelangelo68/Html/Electric_Tepee_Chat_Room.htm

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that its all kadoodly kool

Please let me know!!

Thanks in advance
Mich at el Blackman

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From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec  2 11:57:31 2000
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:57:31 +0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.165731.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Ah, you were at the convention. A friend told me many years ago about some
videos he reckons were shown at that... an early 70's gig from Euro TV and
Hawklords from Italian TV. Do you recall anything like this? I'm having my
doubts now as no-one else has ever mentioned them. Of course, I live in hope
of one day actually getting these shows... please please please?!!
Cartainly Euro TV has produced some real gems over the years, so who knows
what lies in the vaults.

Dave


>The Marc footage definitely exists - I remember it being shown at the
Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the whole of Bob
Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth tracking down.
>
>Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly the same version as the
Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put the session as early 1975.
>
>Captain Black
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: david hall
>  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
>  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
>
>
>  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>
>  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>  Silver Machine pro
>  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
>  1974 Scandanavian pro
>  1977 tour audience no sound
>  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>  1980 German TV
>
>  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a
copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>
>  Dave
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
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><META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Marc footage definitely exists - I
remember it
>being shown at the Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the
>whole of Bob Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth
>tracking down.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly
the
>same version as the Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put&nbsp;the
>session as early 1975.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Captain Black</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE
>style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px;
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>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>  <DIV
>  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
black"><B>From:</B>
>  <A href="mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK"
>  title=dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>david hall</A> </DIV>
>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
>  href="mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU"
>  title=BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU</A> </DIV>
>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48
>  PM</DIV>
>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film
>  footage - what is out there?</DIV>
>  <DIV><BR></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I think that I've posted on this before,
what
>  footage exists?</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound)
>  pro?</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ?
pro</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Silver Machine pro</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Space Ritual (b&amp;w) -
>  rumoured - no sightings </FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT size=2>1974 Scandanavian pro</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 tour audience no sound</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 Marc Bolan TV show</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1980 German TV</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Can anyone expand on this? And, now on
bended
>  knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.</FONT></DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Sat Dec  2 11:20:04 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:20:04 +0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
In-Reply-To: <200012011835.NAA07335@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.162004.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <200012011835.NAA07335 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
<nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
>solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
>Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
>comments, recommendations?

Captured Rotation is top notch blanga!
In with a shout for best 90's HW release.
--
Jon


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Sat Dec  2 12:27:57 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:27:57 -0000
Subject: question for Dave and Kris r.e. voicprint cd's and xmas gig
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.172757.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Dave and Kris

Just a quick question when you originally talked about the hawkestra gig you
mentioned something along the lines of voicprint putting up their own stall
to sell the wierd tapes on cd. You mentioned that they were going to do a
special offer which was buy 3 cd's for something like ?25 (sorry i could be
wrong about the price!) and the overall costs would be cheaper. Because of
Brixton academy putting their mark up on all merchandise sold this didn't
happen.
The question is will some kind of similiar offer be availiable at the xmas
gig, seeing that voicprint are sponsoring the gig and are going to be there
presumbably to sell the cd's?

cheers

colm


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sat Dec  2 15:42:33 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:42:33 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.204233.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I don't remember that much about the 'con as there was so much going on. The
Euro TV video may be the Silver machine clip, this was shown on German TV at
least once, same as TOTP footage but with a German guy announcing it.  I
certainly didn't see any Hawklords stuff, I would have remembered that.

The 84 Stonehenge footage was also shown, remember this was years before it
was officially released, also shown was the '79 laser video, which later
appeared on 'Private Parties'.

Captain Bl at ck.

----- Original Message -----
From: <gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


> Ah, you were at the convention. A friend told me many years ago about some
> videos he reckons were shown at that... an early 70's gig from Euro TV and
> Hawklords from Italian TV. Do you recall anything like this? I'm having my
> doubts now as no-one else has ever mentioned them. Of course, I live in
hope
> of one day actually getting these shows... please please please?!!
> Cartainly Euro TV has produced some real gems over the years, so who knows
> what lies in the vaults.
>
> Dave
>
>
> >The Marc footage definitely exists - I remember it being shown at the
> Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the whole of Bob
> Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth tracking
down.
> >
> >Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly the same version as the
> Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put the session as early
1975.
> >
> >Captain Black
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: david hall
> >  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> >  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
> >  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
> >
> >
> >  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
> >
> >  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
> >  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
> >  Silver Machine pro
> >  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
> >  1974 Scandanavian pro
> >  1977 tour audience no sound
> >  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
> >  1980 German TV
> >
> >  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a
> copy of the 1977 live stuff.
> >
> >  Dave
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type>
> ><META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Marc footage definitely exists - I
> remember it
> >being shown at the Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown
was the
> >whole of Bob Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well
worth
> >tracking down.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was
exactly
> the
> >same version as the Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would
put&nbsp;the
> >session as early 1975.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Captain Black</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:
0px;
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> >  <DIV
> >  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> >  <A href="mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK"
> >  title=dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>david hall</A> </DIV>
> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> >  href="mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU"
> >  title=BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU</A> </DIV>
> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 01, 2000
2:48
> >  PM</DIV>
> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> HW: 1970 - 1980
Video/film
> >  footage - what is out there?</DIV>
> >  <DIV><BR></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I think that I've posted on this
before,
> what
> >  footage exists?</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound)
> >  pro?</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ?
> pro</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Silver Machine pro</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Space Ritual
(b&amp;w) -
> >  rumoured - no sightings </FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT size=2>1974 Scandanavian pro</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 tour audience no
sound</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 Marc Bolan TV show</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1980 German TV</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Can anyone expand on this? And, now on
> bended
> >  knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.</FONT></DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000
size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec  2 16:46:35 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:46:35 -0500
Subject: BOC: EB, a Jew that rocks
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.164635.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi there...

Was just Christmas shopping in the local Barnes & Noble and the book "Jews
that Rock" caught my eye.  Interesting title.  Anyway, it is simply an
'almanac' of sorts outlining all the 'significant' Jewish musicians out
there in the world, Dylan, Weinberg, the Beastie Boys :) et al.  And Lenny
Kravitz....yes indeedy...half Jewish (the other half Bahamian).

And EB got his own page all to himself.  Most interesting was that in the
bio paragraph it mentions he replaced Les Braunstein as lead vocalist for
SWU....and certainly LB is Jewish himself, though he didn't get his own page
or anything!

Peter Himmelman, my personal Jew singer/songwriter of choice and son-in-law
of Bob Dylan, got his own page also, though they completely butchered the
spelling of his name in the Table of Contents.

No Jewish space-rockers listed that I noticed. :(

Grakkl (FAA)


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec  2 16:52:29 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:52:29 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey 2 X 7"
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.215229.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>


 Hi,
In addition to all the Davey / Bedouin CDs recently listed, don't forget the double 7" vinyl released by Brian Tawn, back in about 87.
I think it went under the title of The Elf EP.
I've not got the Elf & Hawk CD, but it's quite possible that all the songs appeared on that too.
I seem to remember that all instruments were played by Alan.
It's got an orange and black sort of wrap around sleeve.
Haven't played mine for years now, so if anybody's deparate for it, mine's up for grabs.
Send me an E-mail with offer.
Cheers,
Jez 
  
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From hw at CY-B.ORG  Sat Dec  2 17:23:34 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:23:34 -0500
Subject: HW: OVERSEAS VISITORS
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.172334.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS
Overseas visitors coming to the Xmas Gig
Please register at Mission Control
www.hawkwind.org.uk (>UPDATES)
++Message ends


From nick at NETPHD.NET  Sat Dec  2 21:20:58 2000
From: nick at NETPHD.NET (Nick English)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:20:58 -0500
Subject: BOC: EB, a Jew that rocks
In-Reply-To: <200012022154.QAA28460@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.212058.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Hi there...
>
> Was just Christmas shopping in the local Barnes &
Noble and the book "Jews
> that Rock" caught my eye.  Interesting title.
Anyway, it is simply an
> 'almanac' of sorts outlining all the 'significant'
Jewish musicians out
> there in the world, Dylan, Weinberg, the Beastie
Boys :) et al.  And Lenny
> Kravitz....yes indeedy...half Jewish (the other half
Bahamian).
>
> And EB got his own page all to himself.  Most
interesting was that in the
> bio paragraph it mentions he replaced Les Braunstein
as lead vocalist for
> SWU....and certainly LB is Jewish himself, though he
didn't get his own
> page
> or anything!

Cool!  I'd heard about that book, but It never occurred
to me that Eric would rate a mention.  I guess it's
that classic "the world has forgotten BOC" cynicism
again!!!

--Nick


From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET  Sat Dec  2 22:23:29 2000
From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:23:29 -0500
Subject: BOC: EB, a Jew that rocks with cowbell
In-Reply-To: <200012030220.VAA30746@cobalt.netphd.net>
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.2000.222329.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

a commercial for tonights saturday night live had a quick snippet of a
strange looking man in a studio ferishl banging a cowbell.

Jason


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Sun Dec  3 02:32:00 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:02:00 +1030
Subject: tepee_chat  - direct all coorespondence privatly - thanks
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.180200.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

Please email any correspondence regarding the Electric Tepee chat privatly
to me so others aren't getting cluttered up with excess mail

michaelangelo68 at ozemail.com.au

Cheers and a big thank YOU to everyone for participating!!!!!!

Mich at el B
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From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Sun Dec  3 05:15:35 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:15:35 -0000
Subject: HW: Wischart songs
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.101535.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>


 Hi,
Does anyone know the proper titles of the songs/poems done by Bridgett Wischart whilst performing live with HW in 1990?
The ones I have in mind are all on the Bournemouth 02.07.90 video (I think).

1. Between Golden Void and Damage Of Life (instrumental)
2. Between Night Of The Hawks and Back In The Box 
3. Middle part of Brainstorm (repeats "Your Secret's Safe With Me" lots of times)

I think at least one of them crops up on the Glastonbury 90 CD and had the spurious title of The Door but I could be wrong.

Cheers,
Jez


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From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sun Dec  3 02:35:43 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:35:43 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.083543.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've got several of those,do you want my video list??
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:48 PM
  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?

  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
  Silver Machine pro
  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
  1974 Scandanavian pro
  1977 tour audience no sound
  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
  1980 German TV
   
  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
   
  Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec  3 05:37:07 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:37:07 -0000
Subject: (Hawkon) HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out
 there?
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.103707.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The video footage I remember from Hawkon was Silver Machine, QS&C (Marc
Bolan), the German tv tracks, Stonehenge, and some 80's live stuff (later
released). The footage I remember most clearly was the Jimmy Page/Roy Harper
live set from Cambridge folk festival - brilliant (anyone got this).

As for the Marc Bolan show, I recall Dave Brock saying the reason that he
didn't turn up was because Marc had had him thrown out of a party, years
before, because Dave had shown up his guitar playing skills.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 02 December 2000 20:44
Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


>I don't remember that much about the 'con as there was so much going on.
The
>Euro TV video may be the Silver machine clip, this was shown on German TV
at
>least once, same as TOTP footage but with a German guy announcing it.  I
>certainly didn't see any Hawklords stuff, I would have remembered that.
>
>The 84 Stonehenge footage was also shown, remember this was years before it
>was officially released, also shown was the '79 laser video, which later
>appeared on 'Private Parties'.
>
>Captain Bl at ck.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:57 PM
>Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
>
>
>> Ah, you were at the convention. A friend told me many years ago about
some
>> videos he reckons were shown at that... an early 70's gig from Euro TV
and
>> Hawklords from Italian TV. Do you recall anything like this? I'm having
my
>> doubts now as no-one else has ever mentioned them. Of course, I live in
>hope
>> of one day actually getting these shows... please please please?!!
>> Cartainly Euro TV has produced some real gems over the years, so who
knows
>> what lies in the vaults.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> >The Marc footage definitely exists - I remember it being shown at the
>> Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown was the whole of Bob
>> Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well worth tracking
>down.
>> >
>> >Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was exactly the same version as the
>> Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would put the session as early
>1975.
>> >
>> >Captain Black
>> >  ----- Original Message -----
>> >  From: david hall
>> >  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>> >  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:48 PM
>> >  Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
>> >
>> >
>> >  I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>> >
>> >  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>> >  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>> >  Silver Machine pro
>> >  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings
>> >  1974 Scandanavian pro
>> >  1977 tour audience no sound
>> >  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>> >  1980 German TV
>> >
>> >  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a
>> copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>> >
>> >  Dave
>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> ><META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type>
>> ><META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR>
>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> ></HEAD>
>> ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Marc footage definitely exists - I
>> remember it
>> >being shown at the Hawkwind Convention in Manchester, 1985. Also shown
>was the
>> >whole of Bob Calvert's The Kid From Silicon Gulch. Very funny, and well
>worth
>> >tracking down.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kings of Speed Instrumental - this was
>exactly
>> the
>> >same version as the Warrior track minus the vocals, so that would
>put&nbsp;the
>> >session as early 1975.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Captain Black</FONT></DIV>
>> ><BLOCKQUOTE
>> >style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT:
>0px;
>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
>> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>> >  <DIV
>> >  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
>> black"><B>From:</B>
>> >  <A href="mailto:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK"
>> >  title=dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>david hall</A> </DIV>
>> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
>> >  href="mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU"
>> >  title=BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU</A> </DIV>
>> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 01, 2000
>2:48
>> >  PM</DIV>
>> >  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> HW: 1970 - 1980
>Video/film
>> >  footage - what is out there?</DIV>
>> >  <DIV><BR></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I think that I've posted on this
>before,
>> what
>> >  footage exists?</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>London 1970 - thirty minutes (no
sound)
>> >  pro?</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ?
>> pro</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Silver Machine pro</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Space Ritual
>(b&amp;w) -
>> >  rumoured - no sightings </FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT size=2>1974 Scandanavian pro</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 tour audience no
>sound</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1977 Marc Bolan TV show</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1980 German TV</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Can anyone expand on this? And, now on
>> bended
>> >  knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.</FONT></DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> >  <DIV><FONT color=#000000
>size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>> >
>


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Sun Dec  3 06:33:13 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:33:13 +0100
Subject: HW: Wischart songs
In-Reply-To: <000a01c05d12$779323a0$8136893e@jezd>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.123313.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Jez


>Does anyone know the proper titles of the songs/poems done by >Bridgett
Wischart whilst performing live with HW in 1990?


On of the songs is called THE STAR SONG
Here are the words:


Hydra the water snake
Glides through the sky there
This is heaven ever close by
Straight up above the Great Bear prowls
Lit in glory by the seven star Plough
Coma hides behind Spica and Phaedra
West sky Castor and Pollux
Orion itself has practically gone
Leaving yellow Capella the honours
Polaris lies on the big bear's back
With Kuchab the guardian pole
Dubhe and Merak show us the way
And no one to show us the whole.


Bernhard


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec  3 09:57:43 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:57:43 +0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
In-Reply-To: <chiYPBA0ESK6EwgM@comics.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.145743.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <chiYPBA0ESK6EwgM at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne
<jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>In article <200012011835.NAA07335 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
><nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>>After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
>>solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
>>Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
>>comments, recommendations?
>
>Captured Rotation is top notch blanga!
>In with a shout for best 90's HW release.
>--
>Jon

OK, seems there is a consensus (amazing in itself!)- Captured Rotation it is
then. Thanks to all who responded.
--
Nick Medford


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sun Dec  3 10:03:25 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:03:25 +0100
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.160325.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Welllll,

Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for only 40p.
Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
So we can't ingnore her?

Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???

Actual,she must be ok,as it's the second time she connects with Hawkwind and I don't
think she was payed for her apperience on the Brixton night.
So thumbes up for her.(I even think she will appear on the Christmas gig)

Anyway,for us completists,it's funny to buy "Samantha Fox" records.
Been to a record-fair 2 weeks ago and at a certain dealer there was a special section
with Fox records and at rather high prices.
I really feld uncomfortable.I was thinking to myself:"Oh,no I don't have to buy all that sh*t"
But as a completist you can't ignore.

Any comments?

best wishes
filip hawknut

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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Sun Dec  3 11:11:43 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:11:43 EST
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.111143.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/3/00 10:03:18 AM, filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE writes:

<< :"Oh,no I don't have to buy all that sh*t"

But as a completist you can't ignore.


Any comments? >>
========
complete-ism be darned!

"oh no, you dont have to buy all that sh*t"

the relevance of her own music to HW
is about equal to the relevance of her yank skin-mag appearances to HW

lolol

but if you feel you must...well...
naughty collectors need love too.

cheers, then!

"<>"


From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Sun Dec  3 11:36:09 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:36:09 +0100
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <000a01c05d3a$524df160$95ab08d4@d8o7x0>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.173609.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
??????
> As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
?????
did buy everything from ginger baker? and everything from
everybody that has ever played with nik turner?

>
> Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???
maybe you just fancy her ;-)

> But as a completist you can't ignore.
you _can_ ignore, you have free will...

--BArt


From EliPXR5 at AOL.COM  Sun Dec  3 13:34:57 2000
From: EliPXR5 at AOL.COM (Eli Friedman)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:34:57 EST
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.133457.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/3/00 11:39:33 AM, bart at ENGAGE.NU writes:

<< On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:


> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.

?????? >>

Hmmmmm. I don't know about this? Personally I collect Hawkwind. I own a lot
of Motorhead albums, but not every one. Do most Hawkwind collectors go after
everything by Gong, who have an awful lot of excellent output, due to the Tim
Blake connection? Draw the line where ever you like I suppose. I think I'd
get very funny looks from the Mrs.
if I started to buy up Samantha Fox CD's. It's just not space rock, that's my
bottom line.
Eli
Counting down the month to the Astoria show.


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sun Dec  3 13:47:59 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:47:59 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.184759.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yeah I buy Everything By Gong! heh Even Mothergong ;-(

Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: Eli Friedman <EliPXR5 at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> In a message dated 12/3/00 11:39:33 AM, bart at ENGAGE.NU writes:
>
> << On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
>
> > Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
>
> ?????? >>
>
> Hmmmmm. I don't know about this? Personally I collect Hawkwind. I own a
lot
> of Motorhead albums, but not every one. Do most Hawkwind collectors go
after
> everything by Gong, who have an awful lot of excellent output, due to the
Tim
> Blake connection? Draw the line where ever you like I suppose. I think I'd
> get very funny looks from the Mrs.
> if I started to buy up Samantha Fox CD's. It's just not space rock, that's
my
> bottom line.
> Eli
> Counting down the month to the Astoria show.
>


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sun Dec  3 13:45:23 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:45:23 +0100
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.194523.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
> > Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> ??????
> > As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> ?????
> did buy everything from ginger baker? and everything from
> everybody that has ever played with nik turner?


Sorry Bart,but I'm REALLY that wacko,who goes for everything.
Actually I don't have to say sorry if that's my wish.
The above comes a little bit strong,but that's what I'm into.
And yes I go for the Ginger Baker and Nik Turner albums,just bought a BLOOD
DONOR
7" with Keith Hale for a nice sum,and it sounds like sh*t.
I don't want to offend you (you can ask anyone who knows me),but I'm really
into everything
that has anything to do with Hawkwind and I must say I've learned a lot of
new bands,like:
Bevis Frond,Spiral Realms etc.


> > Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???
> maybe you just fancy her ;-)
>
> > But as a completist you can't ignore.
> you _can_ ignore, you have free will...

Yeah sure,I can ignore it,but it's just good clean fun you know.
I buy the record and the salesman says:"Have you seen the boobies ?"
And I say:"No,I only buy it for the Hawkwind connection".
You should see his face,he's thinking:"What kind of animal it that,Hawkwind
?"
So he never heard of Hawkwind,it's really funny.
And I only pay 50p a record you know,that's not the end of the world.
Wouldn't go to prices like I did just now on an Isralian "Silver Machine" on
e-bay.
Well if you're interested,I've got now 145 times "Silver Machine" on
different 7",12",lp's and cd's.
Not counting bootlegs,tapes and videos.Should do that one time.(If I have
the time)
Anyway if you're interested on my list,let me know,I'll send it to you.

best wishes
filip hawknut


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sun Dec  3 13:50:06 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:50:06 +0100
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.195006.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nice comments,had a laugh with it,really nice ;-))


----- Original Message -----
From: <DASLUD at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> In a message dated 12/3/00 10:03:18 AM, filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE writes:
>
> << :"Oh,no I don't have to buy all that sh*t"
>
> But as a completist you can't ignore.
>
>
> Any comments? >>
> ========
> complete-ism be darned!
>
> "oh no, you dont have to buy all that sh*t"
>
> the relevance of her own music to HW
> is about equal to the relevance of her yank skin-mag appearances to HW
>
> lolol
>
> but if you feel you must...well...
> naughty collectors need love too.
>
> cheers, then!
>
> "<>"


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Sun Dec  3 14:17:40 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:17:40 -0500
Subject: HW:Kollect Everyone
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.141740.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I must be a real wimp; I have not even felt obligated to get every
Motorhead CD.
Chris

Bart Brugmans wrote:
>
> On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
> > Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> ??????
> > As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> ?????
> did buy everything from ginger baker? and everything from
> everybody that has ever played with nik turner?
>
> >
> > Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???
> maybe you just fancy her ;-)
>
> > But as a completist you can't ignore.
> you _can_ ignore, you have free will...
>
> --BArt


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec  3 14:17:23 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:17:23 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.191723.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yes Please!

Captain Bl at ck
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Filip Vanhuyse 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:35 AM
  Subject: Re: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


  I've got several of those,do you want my video list??
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: david hall 
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
    Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:48 PM
    Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?


    I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?

    London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
    Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
    Silver Machine pro
    Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
    1974 Scandanavian pro
    1977 tour audience no sound
    1977 Marc Bolan TV show
    1980 German TV
     
    Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.
     
    Dave
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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec  3 14:20:11 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:20:11 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.192011.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Does that mean there's now a big market for Page 3 photos from the 80's?

Captain Bl at ck
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Filip Vanhuyse 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 3:03 PM
  Subject: HW:Samantha Fox


  Welllll,

  Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for only 40p.
  Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
  As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
  On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
  So we can't ingnore her?

  Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???

  Actual,she must be ok,as it's the second time she connects with Hawkwind and I don't
  think she was payed for her apperience on the Brixton night.
  So thumbes up for her.(I even think she will appear on the Christmas gig)

  Anyway,for us completists,it's funny to buy "Samantha Fox" records.
  Been to a record-fair 2 weeks ago and at a certain dealer there was a special section
  with Fox records and at rather high prices.
  I really feld uncomfortable.I was thinking to myself:"Oh,no I don't have to buy all that sh*t"
  But as a completist you can't ignore.

  Any comments?

  best wishes
  filip hawknut

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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec  3 14:22:11 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:22:11 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.192211.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Does that mean you'll be buying the Starfield CD then???

Yours hopefully,

Captain Bl at ck

----- Original Message -----
From: Filip Vanhuyse <filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


----- Original Message -----
From: Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
> > Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> ??????
> > As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> ?????
> did buy everything from ginger baker? and everything from
> everybody that has ever played with nik turner?


Sorry Bart,but I'm REALLY that wacko,who goes for everything.
Actually I don't have to say sorry if that's my wish.
The above comes a little bit strong,but that's what I'm into.
And yes I go for the Ginger Baker and Nik Turner albums,just bought a BLOOD
DONOR
7" with Keith Hale for a nice sum,and it sounds like sh*t.
I don't want to offend you (you can ask anyone who knows me),but I'm really
into everything
that has anything to do with Hawkwind and I must say I've learned a lot of
new bands,like:
Bevis Frond,Spiral Realms etc.


> > Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???
> maybe you just fancy her ;-)
>
> > But as a completist you can't ignore.
> you _can_ ignore, you have free will...

Yeah sure,I can ignore it,but it's just good clean fun you know.
I buy the record and the salesman says:"Have you seen the boobies ?"
And I say:"No,I only buy it for the Hawkwind connection".
You should see his face,he's thinking:"What kind of animal it that,Hawkwind
?"
So he never heard of Hawkwind,it's really funny.
And I only pay 50p a record you know,that's not the end of the world.
Wouldn't go to prices like I did just now on an Isralian "Silver Machine" on
e-bay.
Well if you're interested,I've got now 145 times "Silver Machine" on
different 7",12",lp's and cd's.
Not counting bootlegs,tapes and videos.Should do that one time.(If I have
the time)
Anyway if you're interested on my list,let me know,I'll send it to you.

best wishes
filip hawknut


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec  3 14:27:55 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:27:55 -0000
Subject: Completism
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.192755.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here's one I'd like the answer to.

Some years ago, about 1992 I guess, there used to be a guy called Ande who lived in Bridgwater who dealt in Hawkwind stuff.

One of the items he had for sale once was a 7" single called "Oh my Fingers They Do Ache", which apparently was a version of "British Tribal Music" but with vocals.

Anybody know anything about this?

Also regarding HW film footage, remember the BBC Michael Moorcock program which featured a clip of HW playing Silver Machine?  Can someone tell me if that was the TOTP clip, or am I right in thinking the clip was a different one featuring two drummers?

Captain Bl at ck.


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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec  3 16:12:03 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:12:03 -0000
Subject: Completism
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.211203.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

No it was the SM clip from TOTP

Dave
    -----Original Message-----
    From: starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
    Date: 03 December 2000 20:40
    Subject: Completism
    
    
    Here's one I'd like the answer to.
    
    Some years ago, about 1992 I guess, there used to be a guy called Ande who lived in Bridgwater who dealt in Hawkwind stuff.
     
    One of the items he had for sale once was a 7" single called "Oh my Fingers They Do Ache", which apparently was a version of "British Tribal Music" but with vocals.
     
    Anybody know anything about this?
    
    Also regarding HW film footage, remember the BBC Michael Moorcock program which featured a clip of HW playing Silver Machine?  Can someone tell me if that was the TOTP clip, or am I right in thinking the clip was a different one featuring two drummers?
    
    Captain Bl at ck.
    

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From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Sun Dec  3 16:52:13 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:52:13 +0100
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <002901c05d59$4c5e60e0$9ba108d4@d8o7x0>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.225213.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 3 Dec 2000, at 19:45, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

> Sorry Bart,but I'm REALLY that wacko,who goes for everything.
filip, you make me :-)

you are the ultimate HW freak. afaimc.

> Actually I don't have to say sorry if that's my wish.
no you don't

> Bevis Frond
they are cool!

> > > But as a completist you can't ignore.
> > you _can_ ignore, you have free will...
>
> Yeah sure,I can ignore it,but it's just good clean fun you know.
kollelting is fun, thats for sure. i only kollekt plain hw stuff.
otherwise i'll go crazy :-)

> I buy the record and the salesman says:"Have you seen the boobies ?"
> And I say:"No,I only buy it for the Hawkwind connection".
LOL


fillip, keep up the good spirit

all the best,

--BArt


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Sun Dec  3 17:07:28 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:07:28 -0500
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <3A2ACE9D.9766.1F3A21@localhost>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.170728.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

So does this extend to books as well for the Kollector?  I have this book
from Europe of lingerie (early 80's) wherein SF is one of the most shown
models.  From my youth of course.

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
Behalf Of Bart Brugmans
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 4:52 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


On 3 Dec 2000, at 19:45, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

> Sorry Bart,but I'm REALLY that wacko,who goes for everything.
filip, you make me :-)

you are the ultimate HW freak. afaimc.

> Actually I don't have to say sorry if that's my wish.
no you don't

> Bevis Frond
they are cool!

> > > But as a completist you can't ignore.
> > you _can_ ignore, you have free will...
>
> Yeah sure,I can ignore it,but it's just good clean fun you know.
kollelting is fun, thats for sure. i only kollekt plain hw stuff.
otherwise i'll go crazy :-)

> I buy the record and the salesman says:"Have you seen the boobies ?"
> And I say:"No,I only buy it for the Hawkwind connection".
LOL


fillip, keep up the good spirit

all the best,

--BArt


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Sun Dec  3 17:13:14 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:13:14 -0500
Subject: HW: Wischart songs
In-Reply-To: <200012031217.NAA21323@mail.home.ins.de>
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.2000.171314.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 12:33 PM 12/3/00 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote:
>Hi Jez
>
>
>>Does anyone know the proper titles of the songs/poems done by >Bridgett
>Wischart whilst performing live with HW in 1990?
>
>
>On of the songs is called THE STAR SONG
>Here are the words:

I remember this scored very highly in one of the earlier hawkbrawls,
in fact, it would have taken first overall except it didn't have enough
people who had heard voting to qualify it...


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Mon Dec  4 05:06:31 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:06:31 +0100
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.110631.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>I think that I've posted on this before, what footage exists?
>
>  London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
>  Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
>  Silver Machine pro
>  Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings=20
>  1974 Scandanavian pro
>  1977 tour audience no sound
>  1977 Marc Bolan TV show
>  1980 German TV
>  =20
>  Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me
a =
>copy of the 1977 live stuff.
>  =20
>  Dave

Also,

Hawkwind    8.3.94 (German TV)
Hawkwind    4.12.94 (German TV)
Nik Turner & the moor    22.2.98 (German TV)
Nik Turner & the moor    30.5.99 (German TV)

I'm quite surprised that they were never on any other German programmes
such as the Beat Club, Formel I or Musikladen.

Cheers,

Seb


-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Mon Dec  4 05:26:52 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:26:52 +0100
Subject: H/W: The 2 Sams (Gopal and Fox)
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.112652.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Met Samantha Fox a couple of times as we used go drinking at her wine
bar (called Sams) in North London after work. Just received my copy of
Sam Gopal's Escalator CD which is quite nice. There are a couple of
things though, why is Lemmy called Ian Willis and who the hell were the
Rockin' Vickers? :-)

-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec  4 05:38:00 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:08:00 +1030
Subject: HW  electric tepee
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.210800.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

anyone interested in a big chat session at the electric tepee

privately email me here to let me know when the best day & time

& a suitable time will be organised for a mass chat session

*** Remember to use MS Internet explorer with your java enabled
 *** (has anyone with MSie had any problems very recently?)

Netscape doesn't work for some reason?

All invited regardless of class, creed, caste & all those other silly labels

All welcome regardless of their fame & popularity  ;>)

Michael B




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From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 06:04:56 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:04:56 +0000
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.110456.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hello folks,

we have the tickets, the mother-in-law is doing the babysitting, friends are
walking the dog and seeing as it takes longer to go anywhere by british rail
nowadays than it did with stevenson's rocket looks like we'll have to shack up
in Londinium for Friday night (unless the after gig party is an allnighter ????)

So the question is anyone know any good (cheap) hotels with parking for the
29th.


Julie and Merrick French


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec  4 06:30:31 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:30:31 EDT
Subject: HW:Kollect Everyone
In-Reply-To: <3A2A9C54.286B2D69@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.073031.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 3 Dec 00, at 14:17, Chris Raymond wrote:

> I must be a real wimp; I have not even felt obligated to get every
> Motorhead CD. Chris
>
Like AC/DC, Mot?rhead keeps making the same record time after
time.  In Mot?rhead's case, though, it's always a good album!  I tend
to buy every <other> Mot?rhead album, unless I find them in a used
shop.  Lem's lyrics make each record desireable...

theo


From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Mon Dec  4 08:01:45 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:01:45 +0800
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.210145.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>


  I can remember waaaay back on Australian TV - about 1976/77 - there used to be a music request show called JTK. This show used to run for about 15 minutes, just before the news and someone requested a Hawkwind song. The song was Silver Machine and it was done live. Was this the Silver Machine pro? I wonder if the ABC would still have a copy of it?

  Bill
   
   
      London 1970 - thirty minutes (no sound) pro?
      Isle Of Wight - 5 seconds + ? pro
      Silver Machine pro
      Space Ritual (b&w) - rumoured - no sightings 
      1974 Scandanavian pro
      1977 tour audience no sound
      1977 Marc Bolan TV show
      1980 German TV

      Can anyone expand on this? And, now on bended knee, can anyone do me a copy of the 1977 live stuff.

      Dave
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 08:21:21 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:21:21 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: Michael Crook's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:46:40 GMT
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.132121.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Crook writes:

> I think I mentioned this last year, but in Record Collector (Feb 1993)
> Dave Brock says that the BBC filmed for half an hour at Dunstable for
> the Silver Machine clip.

Yes. The Silver Machine and Brainstorm tracks from that gig are on the
Brian Matthews BBC transcription disc.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:39:28 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:39:28 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: starfield's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:45:47 -0000
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.143928.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

starfield writes:

> Bronze apparently did a promo vid for Who's Gonna Win the War, with Dave
> dressed as a vicar.

Yep, I have that. It's on the start of the 79-89 video.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:42:46 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:42:46 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there? marc
 bolan tv show
In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:29:11 -0600
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.144246.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > and is it true that dave brock refused to be filmed as he didn't want to
> > mime?
> > and they replaced him with a parrot?

The parrots are not what they seem.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:44:07 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:44:07 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:12:14 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.144407.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

What I'd really like to see is the "tree" video used for "Wind of
Change" at gigs during the 70's. That was truly excellent.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:48:54 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:48:54 GMT
Subject: HW: Wischart songs
In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:33:13 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.144854.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Bernhard Pospiech writes:

> Hydra the water snake
> Glides through the sky there
> This is heaven ever close by
> Straight up above the Great Bear prowls
> Lit in glory by the seven star Plough
> Coma hides behind Spica and Phaedra
> West sky Castor and Pollux
> Orion itself has practically gone
> Leaving yellow Capella the honours
> Polaris lies on the big bear's back
> With Kuchab the guardian pole
       ^^^^^^

Is this really the correct spelling? It's a star in Ursa Minor.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:49:58 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:49:58 GMT
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: Filip Vanhuyse's message of Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:03:25 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.144958.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Filip Vanhuyse writes:

> Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for =
> only 40p.
> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
> So we can't ingnore her?
>
> Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!=B0??

It's getting all the pictures of her that's going to be tricky...

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:53:13 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:53:13 GMT
Subject: Completism
In-Reply-To: starfield's message of Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:27:55 -0000
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.145313.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

starfield writes:

> Some years ago, about 1992 I guess, there used to be a guy called Ande =
> who lived in Bridgwater who dealt in Hawkwind stuff.

That was Ande Tucker wasn't it? He's over in the US now and is
sporadically in touch.

> One of the items he had for sale once was a 7" single called "Oh my =
> Fingers They Do Ache", which apparently was a version of "British Tribal =
> Music" but with vocals.
>
> Anybody know anything about this?

Not me.

> Also regarding HW film footage, remember the BBC Michael Moorcock =
> program which featured a clip of HW playing Silver Machine?  Can someone =
> tell me if that was the TOTP clip, or am I right in thinking the clip =
> was a different one featuring two drummers?

It was definitely the TotP clip.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 09:56:27 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:56:27 GMT
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
In-Reply-To: Merrick Martin French's message of Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:04:56 +0000
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.145627.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Merrick Martin French writes:

> hello folks,
>
> we have the tickets, the mother-in-law is doing the babysitting, friends are
> walking the dog and seeing as it takes longer to go anywhere by british rail
> nowadays than it did with stevenson's rocket looks like we'll have to shack up
> in Londinium for Friday night (unless the after gig party is an allnighter ????)
>
> So the question is anyone know any good (cheap) hotels with parking for the
> 29th.

What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind. Which hotels have been
used by SF conventions previously? Maybe they'd be amenable...

FoFP


From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Mon Dec  4 11:21:31 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:21:31 +0100
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
In-Reply-To: <200012041456.OAA24409@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.172131.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
>there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.

Great idea.
IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and wants to
stay at that particular hotel.

Here's a start :-)

1. Denis Regenbrecht
2. Kristin Regenbrecht


(c)IAO
                                 D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 11:31:51 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:31:51 GMT
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:21:31 +0100
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.163151.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Denis Regenbrecht writes:

> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
> >there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
>
> Great idea.
> IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and wants to
> stay at that particular hotel.

Fair enough. If there are enough of us then a hotel might cut us a deal
for the trade...

>
> Here's a start :-)
>
> 1. Denis Regenbrecht
> 2. Kristin Regenbrecht

3. Mike Holmes


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon Dec  4 11:35:08 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:35:08 -0600
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
In-Reply-To: <200012041631.QAA17157@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.103508.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, M Holmes wrote:

:Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
:
:Denis Regenbrecht writes:
:
:> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
:> >there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
:>
:> Great idea.
:> IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and wants to
:> stay at that particular hotel.
:
:Fair enough. If there are enough of us then a hotel might cut us a deal
:for the trade...
:
:>
:> Here's a start :-)
:>
:> 1. Denis Regenbrecht
:> 2. Kristin Regenbrecht
:
:3. Mike Holmes

4. Arin Komins

Arin
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From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Mon Dec  4 11:39:23 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:39:23 +0000
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.163923.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Book us in for a hotel

merrick and Julie french


From micci at SCI.FI  Mon Dec  4 12:17:27 2000
From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:17:27 +0200
Subject: Completism
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.191727.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>starfield writes:
>
>> Some years ago, about 1992 I guess, there used to be a guy called Ande =
>> who lived in Bridgwater who dealt in Hawkwind stuff.
>
>That was Ande Tucker wasn't it? He's over in the US now and is
>sporadically in touch.

This is probably true.


>> One of the items he had for sale once was a 7" single called "Oh my =
>> Fingers They Do Ache", which apparently was a version of "British Tribal =
>> Music" but with vocals.
>>
>> Anybody know anything about this?
>
>Not me.


Don?t know about this, but I have Nik Turner 7" Thoth/ Lunar Sea, sleeve
(blank) say #2/10!
I?m pretty sure that it?s made by Ande Tucker



>> Also regarding HW film footage, remember the BBC Michael Moorcock =
>> program which featured a clip of HW playing Silver Machine?  Can someone =
>> tell me if that was the TOTP clip, or am I right in thinking the clip =
>> was a different one featuring two drummers?
>
>It was definitely the TotP clip.
>
>FoFP
>

Miikka Wagner
email: micci at sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~micci


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec  4 12:27:15 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:27:15 -0000
Subject: Completism
In-Reply-To: <200012041717.eB4HHQW22530@vasta.saunalahti.fi>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.172715.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> >That was Ande Tucker wasn't it? He's over in the US now and is
> >sporadically in touch.
>
> This is probably true.

Plus he had a stash of 7" clear vinyl singles by Lunar Malice (= Mick
Farren) of "Gunfire in the Night", very desirable.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Mon Dec  4 13:10:48 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:10:48 -0000
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.181048.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And Me ;-)

5. Rich Warren
----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)


> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, M Holmes wrote:
>
> :Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
> :
> :Denis Regenbrecht writes:
> :
> :> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
> :> >there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
> :>
> :> Great idea.
> :> IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and wants
to
> :> stay at that particular hotel.
> :
> :Fair enough. If there are enough of us then a hotel might cut us a deal
> :for the trade...
> :
> :>
> :> Here's a start :-)
> :>
> :> 1. Denis Regenbrecht
> :> 2. Kristin Regenbrecht
> :
> :3. Mike Holmes
>
> 4. Arin Komins
>
> Arin
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From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Mon Dec  4 14:53:18 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:53:18 EST
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.145318.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

totally agree about the tree sequence...does anyone know if it still exists?
it was really moving. Just one thing...was it not a series of slides ? ...I
seem to remember the images fading into each other !

  Alistair


From flossbac at NLCI.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:00:22 2000
From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:00:22 -0500
Subject: Completism
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.150022.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Plus he had a stash of 7" clear vinyl singles by Lunar Malice (= Mick
> Farren) of "Gunfire in the Night", very desirable.
> -- Andy

YUCK!  This is probably the single worst record I own, seriously!
John Majka


From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:07:22 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:07:22 EST
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.150722.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

People on this list seem to have a real down on Sam fox...dont get me
wrong...I'm no fan of hers and I'd dearly love to know how she got into the
HW camp in the first place...(Someone posted the Lemmy story recently I seem
to recall...is that It?)
 I think what we have to remember is that it was all a bit of fun, somewhat
tongue in cheek, at brixton anyway, and HW have always been up for a bit of
fun. And if anyone wants a discussion on HW and Political Correctness, I'll
just refer you to Niks naked dancer competitions in the encores ,M'Lud !
 Anyway , for Filip...Wow !! i wish I had the time and resources to be that
devoted to the band....Best of luck mate....One question...Have you actually
got all the PILOT stuff with steve swindells on it ? and the WIDOWMAKER stuff
with  HUW ? ....If not,I strongly advise you to listen to it before paying
out !! ...Someone must like it,....Oh well, i guess theres  different levels
of completism !!...

 Respect for the total dedication

 Alistair

 All the best !!


From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:01:11 2000
From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:01:11 -0800
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.120111.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

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From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:32:40 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:32:40 -0000
Subject: Completism
In-Reply-To: <004101c05e2c$d6b2fc00$6f6040ce@pavilion>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.203240.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> > Plus he had a stash of 7" clear vinyl singles by Lunar Malice (= Mick
> > Farren) of "Gunfire in the Night", very desirable.
> > -- Andy
>
> YUCK!  This is probably the single worst record I own, seriously!
> John Majka
>

Don't ask Santa for FRAGMENTS OF BROKEN PROBES for Christmas, then...

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec  4 14:31:55 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:31:55 EDT
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <a6.ce2e02e.275d537a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.153155.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 4 Dec 00, at 15:07, Al Ogilvy wrote:

> People on this list seem to have a real down on Sam fox...dont get me
> wrong...I'm no fan of hers and I'd dearly love to know how she got
> into the HW camp in the first place...(Someone posted the Lemmy story
> recently I seem to recall...is that It?)
>  I think what we have to remember is that it was all a bit of fun,
>  somewhat
> tongue in cheek, at brixton anyway, and HW have always been up for a
> bit of fun. And if anyone wants a discussion on HW and Political
> Correctness, I'll just refer you to Niks naked dancer competitions in
> the encores ,M'Lud !

I totally agree with you, esp. given the overt sexploitation in just about
every MTV video ever produced.  Funny thing, I don't think any of the
female members of this list have attacked Ms Fox!

theo


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:48:55 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:48:55 GMT
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.204855.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Alistair Wrote:
> totally agree about the tree sequence...does anyone know if it still exists?
>it was really moving. Just one thing...was it not a series of slides ? ...I
>seem to remember the images fading into each other !
>
>  Alistair

Me too. I think it was a series of slides I saw it '77. I read somewhere that it was destroyed in a fire many years ago. I also miss the space art slides - I heard they were sold off by a 'friend' of the band.

Mick



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From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET  Mon Dec  4 15:43:42 2000
From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:43:42 +0900
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.054342.0900.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark Licht
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
  Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 5:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)



  you can add Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs to the interested list



  >From: Denis Regenbrecht
  >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List
  >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
  >Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
  >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:21:31 +0100
  >
  >Hi,
  >
  >>What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all
  >>go
  >>there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
  >
  >Great idea.
  >IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and
  >wants to
  >stay at that particular hotel.
  >
  >Here's a start :-)
  >
  >1. Denis Regenbrecht
  >2. Kristin Regenbrecht
  >
  >
  >(c)IAO
  > D+R
  >
  >--
  >"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
  > Hassan I Sabbah
  >
  >www.d-rider.de denis at d-rider.de


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From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Mon Dec  4 15:58:04 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:58:04 -0500
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
In-Reply-To: <005c01c05e1d$88365ae0$e98b01d5@a>; from
 rich.warren@BTINTERNET.COM on Mon, Dec 04,
 2000 at 06:10:48PM -0000
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.155804.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > :> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
> > :> >there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
> > :>
> > :> Great idea.
> > :> IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone who's coming and wants
> to
> > :> stay at that particular hotel.

Me too.  Collated list to date (as given in the original messages; neither
names nor lines necessarily corresponds to number of rooms):

  - Denis Regenbrecht
  - Kristin Regenbrecht
  - merrick and Julie french
  - Mike Holmes
  - Arin Komins
  - Rich Warren
  - Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs
  - Eric Siegerman

Next question: how much are people willing to spend?  Judging by
the places I stayed in October, 35 pounds gets you a postage
stamp, 55 gets you a larger (commemorative-issue? :-) postage
stamp with a decent sort-of-continental breakfast.  Both of those
were singles with ensuite bathrooms, btw; I'm sure we can save a
few pounds by trudging down the hall to the loo.

I haven't been following the party-after-the-party thread; do we
know yet where it's happening?  How close to it does our hotel
need to be?

What facilities do we want, for the "organise a party, and invite
Hawkwind" part?

Is anyone in a better position to organize this than I am (ie.
have a decent travel agent, or a friend in London to do the
legwork)?

--

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fired for relying on Microsoft.
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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:16:15 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:16:15 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.211615.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Completism?

The Melodic Energy Commission albums are quite good though. Have you got
those?  There was actually a third album, which featured Del on just one
track - a cassette only release. I have that somewhere. Plus he did an album
with Gerald Toon.

Captain Bl at ck


----- Original Message -----
From: Al Ogilvy <Alogilvy at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> People on this list seem to have a real down on Sam fox...dont get me
> wrong...I'm no fan of hers and I'd dearly love to know how she got into
the
> HW camp in the first place...(Someone posted the Lemmy story recently I
seem
> to recall...is that It?)
>  I think what we have to remember is that it was all a bit of fun,
somewhat
> tongue in cheek, at brixton anyway, and HW have always been up for a bit
of
> fun. And if anyone wants a discussion on HW and Political Correctness,
I'll
> just refer you to Niks naked dancer competitions in the encores ,M'Lud !
>  Anyway , for Filip...Wow !! i wish I had the time and resources to be
that
> devoted to the band....Best of luck mate....One question...Have you
actually
> got all the PILOT stuff with steve swindells on it ? and the WIDOWMAKER
stuff
> with  HUW ? ....If not,I strongly advise you to listen to it before paying
> out !! ...Someone must like it,....Oh well, i guess theres  different
levels
> of completism !!...
>
>  Respect for the total dedication
>
>  Alistair
>
>  All the best !!


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Mon Dec  4 16:18:48 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:18:48 -0000
Subject: HW: B&W labelled '72 UA Silver Machine for sale
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.211848.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
I've got the following item for sale:

1972 
UA
Same catalogue number as normal
Silver Machine / 7 By 7
This is definitely a black and white label as opposed to the usual light and dark brown.
In all other respects it is identical to the normal brown ones.
It's got the 1972 "small" writing as opposed to the larger 1978 re-issue.

Please E-mail me if interested.
Cheers,
Jez

 
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From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:24:41 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:24:41 -0800
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.132441.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:36:09 +0100, Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU> wrote:
>On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
>> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
>??????
>> As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
>?????
>did buy everything from ginger baker? and everything from
>everybody that has ever played with nik turner?

And, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:34:57 EST, Eli Friedman <EliPXR5 at AOL.COM> wrote:
>Hmmmmm. I don't know about this? Personally I collect Hawkwind. I own a lot
>of Motorhead albums, but not every one. Do most Hawkwind collectors go after
>everything by Gong, who have an awful lot of excellent output, due to the Tim
>Blake connection?

Hmmm ... compleatism ... I have everything by Gong with Tim Blake (and a
couple Gong records without him including the Dasheil Hedayat album with
Allen/Malherbe/etc., and Hillage's 'Fish Rising', but unfortunately not the
Clearlight LP he's on), the Japan & Bowie albums with Simon House (not to
mention the amazing High Tide and Third Ear Band's 'Macbeth', but
unfortunately NOT the Denny Gerrard album that High Tide play on - anyone
know where I can get that?), the Adrian Wagner album with Bob Calvert (and
all of Bob's solo stuff, OF COURSE!), all the Magic Muscle (Ade Shaw) I've
been able to get my hands on, all the "real" Pink Fairies and Deviants
albums with Paul Rudolph (heck, all the "real PF's and Deviants albums,
PERIOD - Sid Bishop was A-OK and I'm pretty much a Larry Wallis
compleatist, too), all the good stuff (including the Tomorrow, Pretty
Things, Plasticland, Bevis Frond and Elton Motello albums he's on, and some
of the bad stuff) by Twink, the Sam Gopal LP (gotta get that Rockin' Vicars
comp CD!) and the Opal Butterfly single with Lemmy, everything by ICU
(except the mediocre Dave Anderson-released album) & Nik solo ("Space
Ritual" etc.) & the CD reissue of the "Nuclear Waste" 7", the first two
Amon D?ul II albums (which I'm mighty glad I got into because of the Dave
Anderson connection ... the next 3 ADII albums are all ace in my book,
too), both Captain Jesus and the Sunray Dream albums, and probably a couple
other things I'm forgetting.

On the other hand, I don't own the Comus album with Keith Hale, I don't own
any Widowmaker or other Huw stuff, nothing with Ginger Baker on it (not
even Cream or Graham Bond ... although I wouldn't mind having the Fela
album that he's on) or any other Hawkwind drummer stuff (Chicken Shack,
Portishead, New Model Army, Cure, etc.), the Swindells solo albums
(wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and "Shot
Down In The Night") or Pilot, Melodic Energy Commission (another one
probably worth having), Smart Pils or Hippy Slags or Tubilah Dog (except
TAT), and I could stand to pick up a couple more Alan Davey-related items
(especially after reading the recent thread!).

And slightly more than a half-dozen Motorhead albums/EP's.

I'd bet that my collection is about "average" for this bunch (175 different
"Silver Machine" 7"s?!?!?  I've got a LOT of catching up to do to match
that!) and nothing spectacular around here ...

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:53:21 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:53:21 EST
Subject: boc book coming
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.165321.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/4/00 1:35:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Murphy.McLachlan at tmp.com writes:



> Martin Popoff is finishing up on "Blue Oyster Cult Explained". Its a small
> publish deal ; Should be out next year somrtime
>
>
>
>

popoff is author of the excellent 'collector's guide to heavy metal' and the
goldmine's 'heavy metal price guide'....should be good
bobm

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From coral at APORT.RU  Mon Dec  4 16:57:47 2000
From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:57:47 +0300
Subject: HW: the question of...
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.005747.0300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

After reading the thread about collecting related stuff I wonder does anyone
has the complete list of all the bands in which the Hawkwind members ever
played?

Alissa


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:48:43 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:48:43 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <002901c05d59$4c5e60e0$9ba108d4@d8o7x0>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.214843.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well, if Sam Fox recorded a raging spacerock record, I reckon I'd buy
it. But then, that goes for nearly anyone :)

And what are the chances of it happening? ;)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec  4 16:22:25 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:22:25 EDT
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <a05010402b651c17d4a66@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.172225.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 4 Dec 00, at 21:48, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:

> Well, if Sam Fox recorded a raging spacerock record, I reckon I'd buy
> it. But then, that goes for nearly anyone :)
>
> And what are the chances of it happening? ;)

Probably zero, but it would be something to hear!

theo


From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET  Mon Dec  4 17:24:19 2000
From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:24:19 -0500
Subject: Calling San Diego and surrounding area!!!!
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.172419.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi everyone,

I may be having to go to San Diego within the next 8 weeks or so. Any
actual date will not be decided until after Christmas, however I'm
wondering if anyone out there in that area would like to either get
together to do a double or multiple bill with Sloterdijk or help arrange
a gig in any capacity. All information is welcomed!!!!

                     cheers, MIke Burro (Sloterdijk)



http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec  4 17:54:08 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:54:08 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001204132441.009e3c30@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.225408.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <3.0.6.32.20001204132441.009e3c30 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug
Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM> writes

>Hawkwind drummer stuff (Chicken Shack,
>Portishead, New Model Army, Cure, etc.),

Well, I have all 3 Portishead albums but until I read this I had no idea there
was a Hawkwind connection. But on checking the credits on the NYC Live
album, there he is, Clive Deamer. Who was a Hawk for, what, 3 months or
something?

I find the whole concept of this kind of completism a bit baffling. Example:
I bought one Lloyd-Langton Group 12" and thought it was terrible. That
was enough to convince me I didn't want to buy anymore. In all honesty it
would never occur to me to buy a record I thought was crap just because
there was some vague connection with a band I liked. But hey, each to his
(or her... though I suspect this kind of collecting is a predominantly male
activity) own.
--
Nick Medford


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Mon Dec  4 17:49:04 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:49:04 -0800
Subject: HW: the question of...
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.144904.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Go to the boc-l archives for the third week of April, 2000 at:
http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0004c&L=boc-l

and check out the "HW: guests, sessions, spin-offs etc." thread.

I think between the collective boc-l intelligence, we managed to cover just
about all of them ...

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:57:47 +0300, Alissa <coral at APORT.RU> wrote:
>After reading the thread about collecting related stuff I wonder does anyone
>has the complete list of all the bands in which the Hawkwind members ever
>played?


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:45:40 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:45:40 +0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo
In-Reply-To: <200012011835.NAA07335@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.214540.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 13.35 -0500 1.12.2000, Nick Medford wrote:
>After seeing Bedouin at Brixton I feel I should check out some of Alan's
>solo stuff. The albums that seem to be readily obtainable are Captured
>Rotation, Chaos Delight, and (confusingly enough) Bedouin. Reviews,
>comments, recommendations?

Captured Rotation is the best album Hawkwind didn't record in the 90s
(and better than some they did record ;)  I quite like it, though
it's not nearly as heavy as Bedouin live. The Bedouin album itself is
not bad, but it didn't grab me the way Captured Rotation did. Haven't
heard Chaos Delight yet.

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:50:58 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:50:58 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <200012042032.PAA01825@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.215058.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 15.31 -0400 4.12.2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:
>On 4 Dec 00, at 15:07, Al Ogilvy wrote:
>>  People on this list seem to have a real down on Sam fox...dont get me
>>  wrong...I'm no fan of hers and I'd dearly love to know how she got
>>  into the HW camp in the first place...(Someone posted the Lemmy story
>>  recently I seem to recall...is that It?)
>>   I think what we have to remember is that it was all a bit of fun,
>>   somewhat
>>  tongue in cheek, at brixton anyway, and HW have always been up for a
>>  bit of fun. And if anyone wants a discussion on HW and Political
>>  Correctness, I'll just refer you to Niks naked dancer competitions in
>>  the encores ,M'Lud !
>
>I totally agree with you, esp. given the overt sexploitation in just about
>every MTV video ever produced.  Funny thing, I don't think any of the
>female members of this list have attacked Ms Fox!

<nigeltufnel>What's wrong with being sexy?</nigeltufnel>

:)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Mon Dec  4 16:19:41 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:19:41 -0000
Subject: H/W: The 2 Sams (Gopal and Fox)
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.2000.211941.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Ian Willis? If I remember correctly, its Ian 'Lemmy' Willis on the Escalator
sleeve. I suspect this was his mother's maiden name. I once read an article
about him (circa 1976) which said that his real name was, and I quote,
"...Ian Wills (sic) to the police"

Haven't heard that album for years - someone nicked my copy along with my
car back in 1992.

Captain Bl at ck.


----- Original Message -----
From: Sebastian Welton <sebastian at WELTON.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 10:26 AM
Subject: H/W: The 2 Sams (Gopal and Fox)


> Met Samantha Fox a couple of times as we used go drinking at her wine
> bar (called Sams) in North London after work. Just received my copy of
> Sam Gopal's Escalator CD which is quite nice. There are a couple of
> things though, why is Lemmy called Ian Willis and who the hell were the
> Rockin' Vickers? :-)
>
> -------------------
> Sebastian Welton
> sebastian at welton.de
> www.welton.de
> -------------------


From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Mon Dec  4 18:38:34 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:38:34 +0100
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer (was: HW:Samantha Fox)
In-Reply-To: <sNQEdBAQCCL6Ewt$@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.003834.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>Well, I have all 3 Portishead albums but until I read this I had no idea there
>was a Hawkwind connection. But on checking the credits on the NYC Live
>album, there he is, Clive Deamer. Who was a Hawk for, what, 3 months or
>something?

He wasn't in the band for only three months. He joined in March 1984 (in
the middle of the "Earth Ritual" tour) and played his last HW-gig in June
1985. So his stay was for more than a year. BTW, does anyone know why he
left (or got sacked)?

(c)IAO

                         D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec  4 20:29:27 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:59:27 +1030
Subject: Bliss
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.115927.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey!!!

Passport & Hawkwind 97 CD came in the mail today

Big goofy grins for this boy!!!

See ya's  3pm on the 29th

MichaelB
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From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec  4 20:30:17 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:00:17 +1030
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.120017.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'd like the same data if please!!

Michael B


----- Original Message -----
From: Merrick Martin French <m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Which pub are we meeting


> hello folks,
>
> we have the tickets, the mother-in-law is doing the babysitting, friends
are
> walking the dog and seeing as it takes longer to go anywhere by british
rail
> nowadays than it did with stevenson's rocket looks like we'll have to
shack up
> in Londinium for Friday night (unless the after gig party is an allnighter
????)
>
> So the question is anyone know any good (cheap) hotels with parking for
the
> 29th.
>
>
> Julie and Merrick French


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec  4 20:32:12 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:02:12 +1030
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.120212.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

How about the hotel used recently by the RED DWARF team in November?

I'll try to get more data

Mb


----- Original Message -----
From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: Which pub are we meeting


> Merrick Martin French writes:
>
> > hello folks,
> >
> > we have the tickets, the mother-in-law is doing the babysitting, friends
are
> > walking the dog and seeing as it takes longer to go anywhere by british
rail
> > nowadays than it did with stevenson's rocket looks like we'll have to
shack up
> > in Londinium for Friday night (unless the after gig party is an
allnighter ????)
> >
> > So the question is anyone know any good (cheap) hotels with parking for
the
> > 29th.
>
> What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we can all go
> there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind. Which hotels have been
> used by SF conventions previously? Maybe they'd be amenable...
>
> FoFP


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec  4 20:33:07 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:03:07 +1030
Subject: HW - list
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.120307.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

i'm in

1. Denis Regenbrecht
2. Kristin Regenbrecht
3. Michael Blackman


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From tonym at GIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec  5 06:05:39 2000
From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:05:39 +1000
Subject: HW: the question of...
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.210539.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

With Jon Jarrett's permission, I have an HTMLised version of his 'Hawkwind
guests, sessions, spin-offs, etc' list at
http://hawkwind.4t.com/HWguest.html

Tony M.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2000 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: the question of...
>
>
> Go to the boc-l archives for the third week of April, 2000 at:
> http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0004c&L=boc-l
>
> and check out the "HW: guests, sessions, spin-offs etc." thread.
>
> I think between the collective boc-l intelligence, we managed to
> cover just
> about all of them ...
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:57:47 +0300, Alissa <coral at APORT.RU> wrote:
> >After reading the thread about collecting related stuff I wonder
> does anyone
> >has the complete list of all the bands in which the Hawkwind members ever
> >played?
>


From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Tue Dec  5 07:16:59 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:16:59 -0000
Subject: Big props Michael Blackman
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.121659.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And my poster and badge arrived today.  Good work fella:-)

The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151


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From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Tue Dec  5 07:17:02 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:17:02 -0000
Subject: OFF: Motorhead
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.121702.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

5 pages on Motorhead and a review of the Brixton gig in Classic Rock this
month.

Stuart
The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151

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From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Tue Dec  5 07:17:04 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:17:04 -0000
Subject: Review in Classic Rock
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.121704.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Brixton is reviewed in this months Classic Rock (sort of favourably)

The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151


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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec  5 07:29:40 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:29:40 GMT
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:58:04 -0500
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.122940.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Eric Siegerman writes:

> > > :> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we
> > > :> >can all go there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.

> > > :> Great idea.  IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone
> > > :> who's coming and want to stay at that particular hotel.

> Me too.  Collated list to date (as given in the original messages;
> neither names nor lines necessarily corresponds to number of rooms):

>   - Denis Regenbrecht - Kristin Regenbrecht - merrick and Julie french
>   - Mike Holmes - Arin Komins - Rich Warren - Mark Licht and Robert
>   Jacobs - Eric Siegerman

Also Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri said they were in.

> Next question: how much are people willing to spend? Judging by the
> places I stayed in October, 35 pounds gets you a postage stamp, 55
> gets you a larger (commemorative-issue? :-) postage stamp with a
> decent sort-of-continental breakfast.  Both of those were singles with
> ensuite bathrooms, btw; I'm sure we can save a few pounds by trudging
> down the hall to the loo.

I'm game to skimp or spend up to the 55 quid mark.

> I haven't been following the party-after-the-party thread; do we know
> yet where it's happening? How close to it does our hotel need to be?

It'd have to be at least within a reasonable taxi ride I think.

> What facilities do we want, for the "organise a party, and invite
> Hawkwind" part?

A hall or reasonable sized bar would be good. The other issue would be
finding a hotel that would permit a late party without worrying about
other guests. That's why finding out which ones had handled SF
conventions might be good.

> Is anyone in a better position to organize this than I am (ie.  have a
> decent travel agent, or a friend in London to do the legwork)?

Unfortunately I'm in Edinburgh but I'd do what I could if we can't find
a Londoner. What we really need is at least two dozen of us so that we
have some clout when bargaining with a hotel. Are the others who are
staying in London willing to change hotels if we can make this dog hunt?

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec  5 07:33:13 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:33:13 GMT
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:02:12 +1030
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.123313.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Blackman writes:

> How about the hotel used recently by the RED DWARF team in November?

Sounds good.

> I'll try to get more data

Great! Thanks!

FoFP


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec  5 09:07:40 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:37:40 +1030
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.003740.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>   - Denis Regenbrecht - Kristin Regenbrecht - merrick and Julie french
>   - Mike Holmes - Arin Komins - Rich Warren - Mark Licht and Robert
>   Jacobs - Eric Siegerman - Michael Blackman

> What we really need is at least two dozen of us so that we
> have some clout when bargaining with a hotel. Are the others who are
> staying in London willing to change hotels if we can make this dog hunt?

No hotel yet - i'm game!!!

Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)


> Eric Siegerman writes:
>
> > > > :> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we
> > > > :> >can all go there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
>
> > > > :> Great idea.  IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone
> > > > :> who's coming and want to stay at that particular hotel.
>
> > Me too.  Collated list to date (as given in the original messages;
> > neither names nor lines necessarily corresponds to number of rooms):
>
> >   - Denis Regenbrecht - Kristin Regenbrecht - merrick and Julie french
> >   - Mike Holmes - Arin Komins - Rich Warren - Mark Licht and Robert
> >   Jacobs - Eric Siegerman
>
> Also Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri said they were in.
>
> > Next question: how much are people willing to spend? Judging by the
> > places I stayed in October, 35 pounds gets you a postage stamp, 55
> > gets you a larger (commemorative-issue? :-) postage stamp with a
> > decent sort-of-continental breakfast.  Both of those were singles with
> > ensuite bathrooms, btw; I'm sure we can save a few pounds by trudging
> > down the hall to the loo.
>
> I'm game to skimp or spend up to the 55 quid mark.
>
> > I haven't been following the party-after-the-party thread; do we know
> > yet where it's happening? How close to it does our hotel need to be?
>
> It'd have to be at least within a reasonable taxi ride I think.
>
> > What facilities do we want, for the "organise a party, and invite
> > Hawkwind" part?
>
> A hall or reasonable sized bar would be good. The other issue would be
> finding a hotel that would permit a late party without worrying about
> other guests. That's why finding out which ones had handled SF
> conventions might be good.
>
> > Is anyone in a better position to organize this than I am (ie.  have a
> > decent travel agent, or a friend in London to do the legwork)?
>
> Unfortunately I'm in Edinburgh but I'd do what I could if we can't find
> a Londoner. What we really need is at least two dozen of us so that we
> have some clout when bargaining with a hotel. Are the others who are
> staying in London willing to change hotels if we can make this dog hunt?
>
> FoFP
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec  5 09:09:44 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:39:44 +1030
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.003944.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I checked it out - Its the Heathrow Hotel....

singles 110 pounds a night (after conversion its $300 australian )
maybe somewhere else!!

any other ideas??

Michael B

----- Original Message -----
From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Which pub are we meeting


> Michael Blackman writes:
>
> > How about the hotel used recently by the RED DWARF team in November?
>
> Sounds good.
>
> > I'll try to get more data
>
> Great! Thanks!
>
> FoFP
>


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Tue Dec  5 09:41:46 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:41:46 -0000
Subject: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.144146.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK, so I work for them, but try www.lastminute.com for London hotels - there
are some good deals and if you want to call them up (0207 659 4900) instead,
and go through the fact that there are a lot of you, you should be able to
get something decent.

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Blackman <michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)


> >   - Denis Regenbrecht - Kristin Regenbrecht - merrick and Julie french
> >   - Mike Holmes - Arin Komins - Rich Warren - Mark Licht and Robert
> >   Jacobs - Eric Siegerman - Michael Blackman
>
> > What we really need is at least two dozen of us so that we
> > have some clout when bargaining with a hotel. Are the others who are
> > staying in London willing to change hotels if we can make this dog hunt?
>
> No hotel yet - i'm game!!!
>
> Mb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Hotels (was: Which pub are we meeting)
>
>
> > Eric Siegerman writes:
> >
> > > > > :> >What we need is a deal with one particular hotel so that we
> > > > > :> >can all go there, organise a party, and invite Hawkwind.
> >
> > > > > :> Great idea.  IMO we should start compiling a list of everyone
> > > > > :> who's coming and want to stay at that particular hotel.
> >
> > > Me too.  Collated list to date (as given in the original messages;
> > > neither names nor lines necessarily corresponds to number of rooms):
> >
> > >   - Denis Regenbrecht - Kristin Regenbrecht - merrick and Julie french
> > >   - Mike Holmes - Arin Komins - Rich Warren - Mark Licht and Robert
> > >   Jacobs - Eric Siegerman
> >
> > Also Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri said they were in.
> >
> > > Next question: how much are people willing to spend? Judging by the
> > > places I stayed in October, 35 pounds gets you a postage stamp, 55
> > > gets you a larger (commemorative-issue? :-) postage stamp with a
> > > decent sort-of-continental breakfast.  Both of those were singles with
> > > ensuite bathrooms, btw; I'm sure we can save a few pounds by trudging
> > > down the hall to the loo.
> >
> > I'm game to skimp or spend up to the 55 quid mark.
> >
> > > I haven't been following the party-after-the-party thread; do we know
> > > yet where it's happening? How close to it does our hotel need to be?
> >
> > It'd have to be at least within a reasonable taxi ride I think.
> >
> > > What facilities do we want, for the "organise a party, and invite
> > > Hawkwind" part?
> >
> > A hall or reasonable sized bar would be good. The other issue would be
> > finding a hotel that would permit a late party without worrying about
> > other guests. That's why finding out which ones had handled SF
> > conventions might be good.
> >
> > > Is anyone in a better position to organize this than I am (ie.  have a
> > > decent travel agent, or a friend in London to do the legwork)?
> >
> > Unfortunately I'm in Edinburgh but I'd do what I could if we can't find
> > a Londoner. What we really need is at least two dozen of us so that we
> > have some clout when bargaining with a hotel. Are the others who are
> > staying in London willing to change hotels if we can make this dog hunt?
> >
> > FoFP
> >


From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM  Tue Dec  5 09:41:43 2000
From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:41:43 -0800
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
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From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec  5 14:34:23 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:34:23 -0000
Subject: HW: London hotels
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.193423.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Try this web page.     http://www.bhrc.co.uk/
If you look for hotels under ratings and check out the 2 star and 3
star and diamond sections
(the diamonds are I think international budget hotels) there look to
be several places worth while enquiring into.     The list below has
been culled direct from the web page so all the columns have merged
into one but if you do a cut and paste you'll get an idea of what
there is.

cheers
jill

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3star
 Albany Hotel
Ambassadors
Berjaya Eden Park
Best Western Swiss Cottage
Bonnington Bloomsbury
Burns Hotel
Comfort Inn Westminster
Elizabetta Hotel
Grange Adelphi
Henley House Hotel
Comfort Inn Notting Hill
Holiday Inn Garden Court
Hotel Senator
Hyde Park Towers
Inverness Court Hotel
Jarvis Marylebone
Kensington Plaza Hotel
La Reserve Hotel
London Crown Hotel
Majestic Hotel
Mandeville Hotel
Paragon
Queens Park Hotel
Royal Sussex Hotel
St Giles Hotel
Westminster Hotel
 S. Kensington
Earls Court
Bayswater
Swiss Cottage
Holborn
S. Kensington
Victoria
Earls Court
Kensington
Earls Court
Notting Hill G
Oxford Circus
Paddington
Bayswater
Queensway
Marylebone
Kensington
Fulham
Paddington
Bayswater
Oxford Circus
Fulham
Bayswater
Paddington
Tottenham Ct
Bayswater
 ?89.00
?95.00
?97.00
?92.00
?110.00
?95.00
?89.00
?100.00
?115.00
?85.00
?80.00
?145.00
?84.00
?135.00
?84.00
?125.00
?105.00
?89.00
?84.00
?62.00
?128.00
?135.00
?95.00
?85.00
?95.00
?107.00
 ?79.00
?86.00
?79.00
?78.50
?91.00
?69.00
?80.00
?90.00
?80.00
?76.00
?69.00
?125.00
?65.00
?90.00
?65.00
?100.00
?90.00
?79.00
?73.00
?55.00
?97.00
?85.00
?60.00
?70.00
?75.00
?75.00
 ?10.00
?9.00
?18.00
?13.50
?19.00
?26.00
?9.00
?10.00
?35.00
?9.00
?11.00
?20.00
?19.00
?45.00
?19.00
?25.00
?15.00
?10.00
?11.00
?7.00
?31.00
?50.00
?35.00
?15.00
?20.00
?32.00
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2star
Americana Hotel
Brunel Hotel
Casserly Court Hotel
Corona Hotel
Georgian Hotel
Hyde Park West Hotel
Julius Caesar Hotel
Kensington Edwardian Hotel
Kings Hotel
Mayflower Hotel
New Linden Hotel
Regent Palace
Westbury Hotel
 Baker Street
Bayswater
Paddington
Victoria
Baker Street
Bayswater
Bayswater
S. Kensington
Hyde Park
Earls Court
Bayswater
Piccadilly Cir.
Earls Court

 ?75.00
?65.00
?70.00
?45.00
?75.00
?62.00
?60.00
?89.00
?85.00
?69.00
?90.00
?59.00
?50.00

 ?70.00
?65.00
?39.00
?40.00
?70.00
?50.00
?50.00
?79.00
?80.00
?59.00
?72.00
?44.00
?48.00
 ?5.00
?31.00
?5.00
?5.00
?12.00
?10.00
?10.00
?5.00
?10.00
?18.00
?15.00
?2.00


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B&B Bentinck House Hotel
London House Hotel
Sidney Hotel
Ashburn Hotel   Oxford Circus
Bayswater
Victoria
Kensington  ?45.00
?40.00
?70.00
?75.00  ?39.00
?40.00
?64.00
?60.00  ?6.00

?6.00
?15.00

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4
Diamond
Avonmore Hotel
Olympia
 ?60.00
 ?58.00
 ?2.00

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3
Diamond
 Amber Hotel
Kensington International
Langorf Hotel
New England Hotel  Kensington
Earls Court
Hampstead
Victoria  ?75.00
?95.00
?77.00
?69.00  ?70.00
?75.00
?66.00
?64.00  ?5.00
?20.00
?11.00
?5.00

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2
Diamond

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Hostel
St Christopher Waterloo
Greenwich
 ?35.00
?21.25
 ?30.00
?18.89
 ?5.00
?2.36
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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Tue Dec  5 14:55:56 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:55:56 +0000
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer (was: HW:Samantha Fox)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001205003248.0241b050@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.195556.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <5.0.0.25.0.20001205003248.0241b050 at kommsrv.rz.unibw-
muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht <denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-
MUENCHEN.DE> writes
>
>He wasn't in the band for only three months. He joined in March 1984 (in
>the middle of the "Earth Ritual" tour) and played his last HW-gig in June
>1985. So his stay was for more than a year. BTW, does anyone know why he
>left (or got sacked)?
>

I'm sure you're right- you generally are about such things- although he's not
credited on the Stonehenge '84 live tracks from 'Do Not Panic'- Danny
Thompson is there instead. Mind you the Stonehenge line-ups were liable to
be a bit more free and easy.

--
Nick Medford


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Tue Dec  5 15:39:54 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:39:54 -0800
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer (was: HW:Samantha Fox)
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.123954.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:55:56 +0000, Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
wrote:
>In message <5.0.0.25.0.20001205003248.0241b050 at kommsrv.rz.unibw-
>muenchen.de>, Denis Regenbrecht <denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-
>MUENCHEN.DE> writes
>>
>>He wasn't in the band for only three months. He joined in March 1984 (in
>>the middle of the "Earth Ritual" tour) and played his last HW-gig in June
>>1985. So his stay was for more than a year. BTW, does anyone know why he
>>left (or got sacked)?
>
>I'm sure you're right- you generally are about such things- although he's not
>credited on the Stonehenge '84 live tracks from 'Do Not Panic'- Danny
>Thompson is there instead.

True, Danny played at Stonehenge '84, but didn't become an "official"
member until a year later.

I still think it's too bad that the 'Earth Ritual' album that would have
been recorded by the Brock/Turner/Lloyd-Langton/Bainbridge/Reeves/Deamer
lineup (with special guest Lemmy) never came to pass.

Is Clive the longest-serving (since he was in the band for longer than Thom
Crimble or Keith Hale) Hawkwind member who never played on one of the
band's "real" studio albums?

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Tue Dec  5 16:26:55 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:26:55 +0100
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer (was: HW:Samantha Fox)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001205123954.009e31a0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.222655.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>I still think it's too bad that the 'Earth Ritual' album that would have
>been recorded by the Brock/Turner/Lloyd-Langton/Bainbridge/Reeves/Deamer
>lineup (with special guest Lemmy) never came to pass.

Total ACK.
IMO Clive was the best of all those early&mid-eighties' drummer and he
should have stayed longer.

>Is Clive the longest-serving (since he was in the band for longer than Thom
>Crimble or Keith Hale) Hawkwind member who never played on one of the
>band's "real" studio albums?

He shares the pole position with Dead Fred (March '83 - June '84). Both
were HW-members for about 1 year 3 months.

(c)IAO

                         D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK  Tue Dec  5 18:01:26 2000
From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:01:26 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.230126.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello folks!

It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone. Hawkwind would stay as well if it could be got together.

The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The Kingsbury) would be ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being near to the British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)

We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the Astoria, but we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.

Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of deals the hotels are prepared to offer.

There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in Bayswater Road (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:    Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk

If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.

We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else could organise this, that would be great!

A special announcement soon to follow about the gig by the way..........!

HW
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From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Tue Dec  5 18:30:07 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:30:07 -0500
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <001401c05f0f$605671c0$7de493c3@default>; from
 boclist@HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK on Tue, Dec 05,
 2000 at 11:01:26PM -0000
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.183007.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Cool!  For purposes of keeping my list up to date, how many are you, and how many rooms do you want?

On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:01:26PM -0000, XXX wrote:
> Hello folks!
>
> It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone. Hawkwind would stay as well if it could be got together.
>
> The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The Kingsbury) would be ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being near to the British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)
>
> We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the Astoria, but we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.
>
> Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of deals the hotels are prepared to offer.
>
> There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in Bayswater Road (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:    Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk
>
> If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.
>
> We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else could organise this, that would be great!
>
> A special announcement soon to follow about the gig by the way..........!
>
> HW
--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK  Tue Dec  5 18:38:13 2000
From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:38:13 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.233813.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This would add around another 10 rooms.

HW
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: XXX 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:01 PM
  Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing


  Hello folks!

  It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone. Hawkwind would stay as well if it could be got together.

  The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The Kingsbury) would be ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being near to the British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)

  We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the Astoria, but we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.

  Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of deals the hotels are prepared to offer.

  There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in Bayswater Road (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:   Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk

  If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.

  We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else could organise this, that would be great!

  A special announcement soon to follow about the gig by the way..........!

  HW
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 18:37:41 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:37:41 -0000
Subject: HW: 1970's footage
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.233741.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Space Ritual footage is in the EMI vaults.
Andy Garibaldi.


----- Original Message -----
From: "david hall" <dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 1970's footage


> The 1970 footage comes from a London gig not Isle Of Wight albeit without
> sound - so that makes two films from 1970 at least. It would be
interesting
> to see these even if overdubbed by material from the first LP.
>
> The Space Ritual footage rumours: is this a combination of the two rumours
> that I have heard of i) Nik Turner has the b and w footage, and ii) part
of
> the show was filmed by Swedish/Danish TV. As for rumour i) I put this Nik


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 18:49:35 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:49:35 -0000
Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.234935.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

For the first half of 'Pleasure Island' you've got to be on the same humour
wavelength as the band or you won't get it and the lengthy last track is
simply amazing, but the follow-up album got it spot on and as a complete
entity is just superb - Twink disappeared to the States with them all a
while back and just about every Fairies album that came out independently
through Twink is currently deleted, to us in retail anyway.
Only the Voiceprint stuff and I think the Chiswick material is around,
although Captain Trips in Japan recently still had copies of the above two
Fairies albums plus the Hawkfairies album and the Pinkwind album, both of
which we regularly stock at CD Services for the Hawkwind connections,
despite the fact that they are pretty average albums. Check us out in a week
or two when we should have all these back again.
Paul Rudolph is still alive and well and living in Canada so if someone can
track him down then an interview is well overdue methinks - any of our
magazine ferrets willing to get on the case???
Twink is on the West Coast of USA last time I heard but where I really don't
know.
Andy Garibaldi.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Excess Studio recordings


> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:49:48 +0000, Nick Medford
<nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
> wrote:
> >In message <3.0.6.32.20001129161135.009e5160 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug
> >Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM> writes
> >
> >>I would be really curious to hear some of that stuff, especially if
> >>there's anything with Paul Rudolph playing guitar ...
> >
> >There's a pic of him playing guitar in the CD booklet of Thrilling
> >Adventures, and it's hard to believe they wouldn't


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 19:09:12 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:09:12 -0000
Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.000912.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

agree to disagree (see other posting)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Excess Studio recordings


> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Nick Medford wrote:
>
> > I've not heard any of his more recent output with Twink, but everyone
who
> > has says it's shite. Does anyone anywhere have a good word to say about
the
> > 'Pleasure Island' album?!
>
>         Yes. Apparently it's better than the one that followed it, _No
> Picture_. Which is really quite bad IMO. No inspiration at all,
> approximately half a riff made to do an album's work, poor singing
> (practically spoken word), a few flashes of overworked humour the only
> light patches. Oh and one faintly psychedelic buildup of multi-tracked
> guitar in the second half which only goes to show how poor the other
> similar track in the first half is. It may well be the worst album I own
> but it's Hawk-Konnected so I can't sell it. Ah well. Yours,
>                                                             Jon
>
> ObCD: Blue Oyster Cult - _Cultosaurus Erectus_
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 18:57:15 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:57:15 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.235715.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

not forgetting the CD's by Babylon Whores w/Turner, Dark Sun w/ Turner
(about three of these), the ECW wrestling album with Motorhead doing
Metallica (and Monster Magnet doing 'Kick out the jams!!!!), the Captain
Beyond tribute album w/ Turner, the 'Big Green Experience' album w/....you
guessed it....Turner (all stars),
the 46.000 Fibres album with Turner....hmmmmmm - a busy lad is our Nik. You
poor completeists out there - it just never stops.
Andy Garibaldi (who could have mentioned a shedload more......)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:36:09 +0100, Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU> wrote:
> >On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
> >
> >> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> >??????
> >> As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> >?????


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 19:00:01 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:00:01 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.000001.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - where do you draw the line???
Andy Garibaldi.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Filip Vanhuyse 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 3:03 PM
  Subject: HW:Samantha Fox


  Welllll,

  Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for only 40p.
  Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
  As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
  On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
  So we can't ingnore her?

  Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???

  Actual,she must be ok,as it's the second time she connects with Hawkwind and I don't
  think she was payed for her apperience on the Brixton night.
  So thumbes up for her.(I even think she will appear on the Christmas gig)

  Anyway,for us completists,it's funny to buy "Samantha Fox" records.
  Been to a record-fair 2 weeks ago and at a certain dealer there was a special section
  with Fox records and at rather high prices.
  I really feld uncomfortable.I was thinking to myself:"Oh,no I don't have to buy all that sh*t"
  But as a completist you can't ignore.

  Any comments?

  best wishes
  filip hawknut

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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 19:23:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:23:10 -0000
Subject: HW:Completism
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.002310.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

If he doesn't, then he' SERIOUSLY missing out.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "starfield" <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> Does that mean you'll be buying the Starfield CD then???
>
> Yours hopefully,
>
> Captain Bl at ck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Filip Vanhuyse <filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox
>
>
> > On 3 Dec 2000, at 16:03, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
> >
> > > Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> > ??????


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec  5 19:45:15 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:45:15 -0000
Subject: HW: Star Nation
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.004515.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi, Been away on hols for a week hebce lack of replies.
    Re-Star Nation, I see that Jerry and Richard have provided some info, so you all know what is happening. The reasons and problems aside, what it means tro CD Services customers is that we are being sold just 100 copies only by the band and will be supplying the first 100 orders that came in, in date order. After this we WILL contact anyone and direct them to the group who will then be able to sell it to that person, but only by cheque or postal order payment.
    IF possible we will try and get another 10 off the band so that we can satisfy the whole lot who have pre-ordered so far , but anyone who has placed an order will be contacted one way or the other.
    Anyone with any questions, e.mail me at:
    agcdser at aol.com
    The Spacebrock is out but I've not heard it yet as been away.One of the things that turned up on return to work was the confusion about title and name - we listed originally Dave Brock-Brockspace and now it's turned into Hawkwind-Spacebrock.
    Dave can probably clarify this but even tho' it is a solo album, as such, the label have almost certainly done it like this so that the chain shops particulalry who buy it, actually put it in the Hawkwind section!!!
    OK - Bedouin news and Davey news to follow once I've cleared these 275 e.mails.
    Andy Garibaldi (CD Services)
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From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Tue Dec  5 19:32:31 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0800
Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.163231.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:49:35 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
<andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>Twink is on the West Coast of USA last time I heard but where I really don't
>know.

Los Angeles.  Apparently in January, he'll be playing a show backed up by
the local band Backbiter (the drummer of Backbiter is Bob Lee, formerly of
Clawhammer, Mike Watt's tour band and a zillion other groups including
Slotnick, who covered "Death Trap" on the 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind
tribute).

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Tue Dec  5 20:04:00 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:04:00 -0500
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <009601c05f14$71d8eb80$7de493c3@default>; from
 boclist@HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK on Tue, Dec 05,
 2000 at 11:38:13PM -0000
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.200400.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Several people have expressed interest in this group-hotel thing,
and named more than one person.  Some of you are pretty obviously
couples; some probably aren't.  Either way, I don't want to make
assumptions, so it'd be helpful if you could please tell me how
many rooms you want, and whether they're singles or doubles.

Similarly, if you want to double up (whether you have a roommate
or are looking for one) let me know that too.

I don't know who's going to arrange this thing.  It probably
*won't* be me, since I have no experience with this sort of thing
(having never as much as attended an SF or similar convention,
let alone been an organizer!)  But at least I can make a small
contributution by maintaining a list so we know what's needed,
and how much we have to bargain with.

Until people get back to me, I can only approximate *very*
roughly, but we're up to something like 19 rooms and 23 people.

Here's the list so far -- including a lot of probably-rash and
possibly-offensive assumptions about answers to what I've just
asked.  Don't flame me, just correct me!

             Rooms
People  Single  Double  Name

 10      10             Hawkwind
  2               1     Denis and Kristin Regenbrecht
  2               1     Merrick and Julie french
  2               1     Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs
  2               1     Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
  1       1             Mike Holmes
  1       1             Arin Komins
  1       1             Rich Warren
  1       1             Eric Siegerman
  1       1             Michael Blackman

 23      15       4     Totals

Thanks.

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Tue Dec  5 22:41:49 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:41:49 -0500
Subject: OFF: New A-I.com spacerock radio shows
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.224149.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Folks...

Just a little notice that Jerry's put up some new Streaming RealAudio shows
on the AI website for you to check out.  He did the first one, I put
together the special Stoner Rock (excuse me Carl, Heavy Groove Rock)
show.....hope you like it.  I think I'm gonna keep doing these 'genre'
shows, if folks think they're helpful.  I've finished a 'Shoegazer' show
already, am working on a 'Space-Punk' thingy, and have plans for 'Post-Rock'
and 'Drone/Bliss'.  Any other requests?

Grakkl (FAA)

ObCD: Salaryman - Karoshi
despite this hilarious comment made about this particular release...
"To the categorizer, Salaryman belong to the offshoot of post-rock known as
Spacerock, the genre ruled by UK pioneers Stereolab." (Rough Guides)

(A track from this should appear on my post-rock compilation coming in 2001.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aural Innovations Radio has just uploaded two new shows in streaming
RealAudio. (You can also download them if you prefer.)

Aural Innovations is an online web-zine covering all forms of spacerock,
psychedelia, electronica, and more eclectic forms of jazz and
progressive rock. Our web site is LOADED with reviews, interviews, and articles.

Here is the playlist for the new radio shows:

Show 15 Playlist: (General Playlist)

ST 37 - "Whistling In Hell" 5:36 (from I Love To Talk, If There's Anything
To Talk About)
Omnia Opera - "Floating Settee" 8:21 (from Omnia Opera)
Farflung - "Vision Of Infinity" 4:02 (from So Many Minds, So Little Time)
Pressurehed - "Altitude" 4:36 (from Explaining The Unexplained)
Mr Quimby's Beard - "Snake Dance" 6:26 (from Out There)
Billy Syndrome - "21st Century Blues" 3:41 (from Now)
Salome - "Chambers & Vessels" 5:50 (from a.m.)
Damo Suzuki's Network - "Winner Writes History" 8:28 (from Odyssey)
Census Of Hallucinations - "Light On The Horizon / The New Worried Order"
5:13 (from Opus 2)
Green Pajamas - "Morning In Myra's Room" 4:28 (from Serotonin Ronin II)
Abunai! - "Barbara Allen" 5:51 (from The Mystic River Sound)
Black Sun Ensemble - "Dove Of The Desert" 2:41 (from Sky Pilot)
Cyber Zen Sound Engine - "Unexpected Companions" 3:06 (from Moonscapes: How
Stones Become Enlightened)
Mandarin - "Scribb" 6:18 (from Driftline)
Avey Tare and Panda Bear - "Someday I'll Grow To Be As Tall As The Giant"
3:10 (from Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished)
Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus - "Serpent Healer" 3:38 (from Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus)
Spaceship Eyes - "Vapor" 5:02 (from Of Cosmic Repercussions)
Automatic Music - "One" 9:23 (from And In Arcadia I Am...)

Show 16 Playlist: (Stoner Rock Special)

Nebula - "Vulcan Bomber" (from Let It Burn) 2:54
Spirit Caravan - "Lost Sun Dance" (from Jug Fulla Sun) 4:35
Earthlings? - "Saving Up For My Spaceship/Illuminate" (from Earthlings?) 7:45
Gas Giant - "Too Stoned" (from Pleasant Journey In Heavy Tunes) 6:10
Orange Goblin - "Shine" (from Time Travelling Blues) 6:55
Farflung - "Gleam" (from The Belief Module) 4:17
The Heads - "Splitt Riff" (from Succour) 4:41
Lowrider - "Texas Pt I & II" (from Ode To Io) 7:32
Liquid Sound Company - "Swallow" (from Exploring The Psychedelic) 4:01
Monster Magnet - "Nod Scene" (from Spine Of God) 6:46
Datura - "Euphoria" (from Visions For The Celestial) 6:33
Walk On Water - "Solar Power Ride" (from High-Fi) 4:35
Queens Of The Stone Age - "Regular John" (from Queens Of The Stone Age) 4:35
The Atomic Bitchwax - "Stork Theme" (from The Atomic Bitchwax) 2:27

So head on over to http://Aural-Innovations.com and click on the Radio link
to listen.

While you're there check out our mail order catalog for music from Nebula
Trip, SubArachnoid Space, Mushroom, Mr Quimby's Beard, Hardy, Afresco
Mantis, Krom Lek, Census Of Hallucinations, The Rabbit's Hat, Quarkspace,
National Steam, Spacehead, Krel, Doug Snyder and Bob Thompson, JFK Jr Royal
Airforce, W.O.O. Revelator, World Of Tomorrow, Rotcod Zzaj, The Imaginary
Band, The Moondance Experiment, Music From The Future, Spaceship Eyes, plus
numerous titles from the Garden of Delights reissue catalog.

For more information on these and other available items go the main Aural
Innovations page and click on the mail order catalog link.

http://Aural-Innovations.com


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Tue Dec  5 23:33:21 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:33:21 -0500
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.2000.233321.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>

> In message <99.d4de171.27599eaa at aol.com>, Bob Lennon
> <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM> writes
> >Captured Rotation is great. It has Ron on vocs on a few tracks. The
Bedouin
> >cd is pretty good also. And as a matter of fact, I've been unable to
track  a
> >copy down,
>
> Cheers for the response.
>
> Bedouin is available at www.freakemporium.com - look in the index under
> A (they file artists by their first names).

   Has anyone here ordered from them before? I ordered 11 CD's and got a
message asking me to fax or post a copy of my credit card. The email said
it was standard mail order company procedure, but this is the first time
I've
ever been asked to do this and I do a LOT of mail order. I don't mind doing
it if it's standard practice for them, they already have all my personal
info and
there's nothing on a photocopy that they don't already know.

   Now all I have to do is hit the lottery so I can tell them to send me
everything
in their catalog :)   Is my boc-l shirt a collectors item yet? It's nice to
see some
familiar names still on the list (FoFP, Carl, Jill, Johan, Bernhard) . Two
or three
years is too long of a hiatus. I have a lot of catching up to do.

Jerry


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Wed Dec  6 03:44:31 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:44:31 +1300
Subject: Hawkwind/EPOCHECLIPSE
In-Reply-To: <001701c05ec5$05337300$9ccd223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.214431.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Can someone tell me if the EpocheEclipse 3 CD set is still available or not.
It was released here in New Zealand for about a total of about 2/3 weeks ...
in other words EMI imported x number of sets and when sold out promptly said
it was deleted.

Richard
Cranium Music
http://www.cranium.co.nz


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Wed Dec  6 03:56:20 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:56:20 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind/EPOCHECLIPSE
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.085620.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Can someone tell me if the EpocheEclipse 3 CD set is still available or
not.
> It was released here in New Zealand for about a total of about 2/3 weeks
...
> in other words EMI imported x number of sets and when sold out promptly
said
> it was deleted.

They had it in HMV (or was it Virgin) in Bluewater, Kent last weekend.

Cheers,

Rich.


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From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 04:54:49 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:54:49 +0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.095449.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

                                 SMILE

                             Smiling is infectious
                           You catch it like the flu
                        When someone smiled at me today
                             I started smiling too

                           I turned around the corner
                            and someone saw me grin
                           When he smiled, I realised
                            I'd passed it on to him

                           I thought about the smile
                             And realised its worth
                            A simple smile like mine
                          Could travel round the earth

                          So if you feel a smile begin
                           Don't leave it undetected
                         Let's start an epidemic quick
                           And get the world infected

                                      anon

Julie & Merrick French


From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM  Wed Dec  6 05:39:58 2000
From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:39:58 -0000
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.103958.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

Clive had definitely gone by February 1985,  since Danny played drums at he
Hawkon in Manchester. Hang on - Clive played on the ECT show in summer 1985.
Maybe he just couldn't make it to the Manchester show??   Who knows!  For
sure, Danny was on the drum riser for the Chronicles tour.

I haven't got my copy of Ade's gig list here, but I think I'm right in
saying that Danny was at Crystal Palace, in summer 1985, but I don't know
who played at Westbury White Horse Hill.

There's only a very few gigs during this period, so quoting an official
line-up is rather difficult anyhow!

On the subject of Westbury, wasn't that Nik's last gig before his second
ejection?

Guy T.

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Denis Regenbrecht
[mailto:denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE]
                Sent:   05 December 2000 21:27
                To:     BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
                Subject:        Re: HW: Clive Deamer (was: HW:Samantha Fox)

                Hi,

                >I still think it's too bad that the 'Earth Ritual' album
that would have
                >been recorded by the
Brock/Turner/Lloyd-Langton/Bainbridge/Reeves/Deamer
                >lineup (with special guest Lemmy) never came to pass.

                Total ACK.
                IMO Clive was the best of all those early&mid-eighties'
drummer and he
                should have stayed longer.

                >Is Clive the longest-serving (since he was in the band for
longer than Thom
                >Crimble or Keith Hale) Hawkwind member who never played on
one of the
                >band's "real" studio albums?

                He shares the pole position with Dead Fred (March '83 - June
'84). Both
                were HW-members for about 1 year 3 months.

                (c)IAO

                                         D+R

                --
                "Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                                         Hassan I Sabbah

                www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 05:52:45 2000
From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:52:45 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.105245.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> I totally agree with you, esp. given the overt sexploitation in just about
> every MTV video ever produced.  Funny thing, I don't think any of the
> female members of this list have attacked Ms Fox!

That's because I'm secretly hopefull she'll sell me the green
shorts she wore at the Hawkestra (reckon they'd just about fit
;-)...RE: sexploitation - we'd be banging our pretty little heads
against a brick wall for noought around here !!?!

M at xine


From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM  Wed Dec  6 05:54:07 2000
From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:54:07 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.105407.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK - this is REALLY tenuous, but there is at least a third link of Samantha
Fox with HW!  If you look on the credits of Ms Fox's singles, you'll see
that they are engineered by a chap called Jerry Peal!  Jerry doesn't list
them on his web site though - can't think why!

Jerry's a very old  mate of mine, superb musician, especially keyboards, and
was talking with Doug Smith a few years back about releasing his CD.     OK
- I know -  it was a bit loose, but he has seen HW live 5 or 6 times and is
into the Church of HW LP.

check out          http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~twfish/
<http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~twfish/>

(Andy G - I think you know Jerry - he also works with Bob Holroyd, with whom
you're acquainted!)

-----Original Message-----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI [mailto:andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM]
Sent: 06 December 2000 00:00
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


yes - where do you draw the line???
Andy Garibaldi.

----- Original Message -----
From: Filip Vanhuyse <mailto:filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 3:03 PM
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox

Welllll,

Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for only
40p.
Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
So we can't ingnore her?

Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???

Actual,she must be ok,as it's the second time she connects with Hawkwind and
I don't
think she was payed for her apperience on the Brixton night.
So thumbes up for her.(I even think she will appear on the Christmas gig)

Anyway,for us completists,it's funny to buy "Samantha Fox" records.
Been to a record-fair 2 weeks ago and at a certain dealer there was a
special section
with Fox records and at rather high prices.
I really feld uncomfortable.I was thinking to myself:"Oh,no I don't have to
buy all that sh*t"
But as a completist you can't ignore.

Any comments?

best wishes
filip hawknut


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Wed Dec  6 06:13:22 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:13:22 +1300
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <1BDB8D51016@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.001322.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>RE: sexploitation - we'd be banging our pretty >little heads against a
brick wall for noought around here !!?!

Why didn't you say something earlier!

Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex
Sex

Richard


From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:06:18 2000
From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:06:18 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.110618.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey - there's nowt wrong with a bit of light-hearted fun! Lighten up chaps!
The Hawkestra was better for here being there!  If you think about it,  Sam
was probably the first choice for getting on to the Gimme Shelter thing, and
someone said: "Who can we get with Sam, for a real contrast - I know - lets
ask HW!"  or something like that.  Which ever way, we ended up with Gimme
Shelter,   with AND without Sam on vocals - AND got to hear Richard's dulcet
tones too!   All in all WELL worth it!

(BTW That's LORD Tufnel-Guest to you 'n' me Carl!)  Howzabout asking his
better half (Ms J Lee Curtis) to perform with HW!)

Guy T.   (sorry 3rd post today!)



                >I totally agree with you, esp. given the overt
sexploitation in just about
                >every MTV video ever produced.  Funny thing, I don't think
any of the
                >female members of this list have attacked Ms Fox!

                <nigeltufnel>What's wrong with being sexy?</nigeltufnel>

                :)

                Cheers,
                Carl


From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:13:59 2000
From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:13:59 +0000
Subject: HW: the question of...
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.111359.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Date:          Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:49:04 -0800
> From:          Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
> Subject:       Re: HW: the question of...

> Go to the boc-l archives for the third week of April, 2000 at:
> http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0004c&L=boc-l
> and check out the "HW: guests, sessions, spin-offs etc." thread.
>
> I think between the collective boc-l intelligence,

Oxymoron alert??!!!

anon ;-)


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:20:42 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:20:42 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <1BDB8D51016@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.112042.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> That's because I'm secretly hopefull she'll sell me the green
> shorts she wore at the Hawkestra (reckon they'd just about fit
> ;-)...RE: sexploitation - we'd be banging our pretty little heads
> against a brick wall for noought around here !!?!

Well the t-shirt was from Cyberdog (how hip do you wanna be?), but I didn't
get close enough to the shorts.  You'd have to ask Lemmy.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:24:37 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:24:37 -0000
Subject: HW: the question of...
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.112437.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> >
> > I think between the collective boc-l intelligence,
>
> Oxymoron alert??!!!
>
> anon ;-)

'oo are you calling a moron?

(Sorry.  I'll get me coat.)

:-)

Cheers,

Rich.


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From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:28:47 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:28:47 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.112847.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Well the t-shirt was from Cyberdog (how hip do you wanna be?), but I
didn't
> get close enough to the shorts.  You'd have to ask Lemmy.

I thought Cyberdog was Apple ill-fated web browser?!

Confused...

Cheers,

Rich.


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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:44:56 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:44:56 GMT
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: XXX's message of Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:01:26 -0000
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.114456.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

XXX writes:

> It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone. Hawkwind =
> would stay as well if it could be got together.
>
> The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The Kingsbury) would be =
> ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being near to the =
> British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)
>
> We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the Astoria, but =
> we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.
>
> Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of deals the hotels =
> are prepared to offer.
>
> There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in Bayswater Road =
> (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:    Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk
>
> If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.
>
> We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else could organise =
> this, that would be great!

OK. What we need is a solid idea of the number of rooms that'd need to
be booked. How many for the band and retinue Dave? The rest of you
should let us know how many rooms too. We don't have long to get this
nailed down.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:47:07 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:47:07 GMT
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.114707.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just noticed the other night that the Richard III single by Supergrass
is the same riff as Dream Worker.

FoFP


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:48:37 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:48:37 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <042601c05f77$b36f0bc0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.114837.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> I thought Cyberdog was Apple ill-fated web browser?!

Tee hee!  No, it's fashion for people younger and hipper than me.  See
www.cyberdog.co.uk, enough Flash animation to keep you very happy ;))

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:49:39 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:49:39 -0500
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.064939.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:57:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
<andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:

>not forgetting the CD's by Babylon Whores w/Turner, Dark Sun w/ Turner
>(about three of these), the ECW wrestling album with Motorhead doing
>Metallica (and Monster Magnet doing 'Kick out the jams!!!!), the Captain
>Beyond tribute album w/ Turner, the 'Big Green Experience' album w/....you
>guessed it....Turner (all stars),
>the 46.000 Fibres album with Turner....hmmmmmm - a busy lad is our Nik. You
>poor completeists out there - it just never stops.
>Andy Garibaldi (who could have mentioned a shedload more......)
>

Uncle Nik also guested on a live cassette by The Treatment- thought I'd
mention that one as they were such a unique and amazing band, whatever
became of them I wonder. BTW Andy do you ever have any of their cassettes
or other stuff in stock? Delerium released an album some years back but
I've never been able to track anything else down.


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:51:00 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:51:00 GMT
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:04:00 -0500
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115100.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Eric Siegerman writes:

>  10      10             Hawkwind
>   2               1     Denis and Kristin Regenbrecht
>   2               1     Merrick and Julie french
>   2               1     Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs
>   2               1     Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
>   1       1             Mike Holmes
>   1       1             Arin Komins
>   1       1             Rich Warren
>   1       1             Eric Siegerman
>   1       1             Michael Blackman
>
>  23      15       4     Totals

That's fine for me, and I'm happy to share a twin room.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:53:19 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:53:19 GMT
Subject: Hawkwind/EPOCHECLIPSE
In-Reply-To: Richard Stockwell's message of Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:44:31 +1300
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115319.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Richard Stockwell writes:

> Can someone tell me if the EpocheEclipse 3 CD set is still available or not.
> It was released here in New Zealand for about a total of about 2/3 weeks ...
> in other words EMI imported x number of sets and when sold out promptly said
> it was deleted.

I've seen it available on www.Gemm.com

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:55:47 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:55:47 GMT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: Merrick Martin French's message of Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:54:49 +0000
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115547.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Merrick Martin French writes:

>                                  SMILE
>
>                              Smiling is infectious
>                            You catch it like the flu
>                         When someone smiled at me today
>                              I started smiling too
>
>                            I turned around the corner
>                             and someone saw me grin
>                            When he smiled, I realised
>                             I'd passed it on to him
>
>                            I thought about the smile
>                              And realised its worth
>                             A simple smile like mine
>                           Could travel round the earth
>
>                           So if you feel a smile begin
>                            Don't leave it undetected
>                          Let's start an epidemic quick
>                            And get the world infected
>
>                                       anon

Coincidence: I was thinking about this the other day. I'd passed a very
beautiful dark haired woman in the street and apropos of nothing she'd
given me this full-beamed smile. Cheered me up for the morning that did.

FoFP


From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:53:52 2000
From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:53:52 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115352.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The Kingsbury has a couple of function rooms in the basement, that are
available for hire.  There is a bar in the bigger room. It's a bit typically
hotel-function-room style, with gold painted / red velvet chairs etc, but
quite spacious, but it does have the bar (YESSSS!!!) The hotel caters a lot
for masonic dining functions / business conferences etc, if that gives an
idea of the kind of room ! Not as big as a certain club near the Astoria,
but quite spacious, none the less.  IMO - could probably hold about 150.

Guy T.


XXX writes:

                > It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone.
Hawkwind =
                > would stay as well if it could be got together.
                >
                > The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The
Kingsbury) would be =
                > ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being
near to the =
                > British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)
                >
                > We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the
Astoria, but =
                > we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.
                >
                > Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of
deals the hotels =
                > are prepared to offer.
                >
                > There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in
Bayswater Road =
                > (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:
Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk
                >
                > If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.

                > We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else
could organise =
                > this, that would be great!




From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:56:32 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:56:32 -0500
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.065632.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:33:21 -0500, Jerry Guizar <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM> wrote:

>   Has anyone here ordered from them before? I ordered 11 CD's and got a
>message asking me to fax or post a copy of my credit card. The email said
>it was standard mail order company procedure, but this is the first time
>I've
>ever been asked to do this and I do a LOT of mail order. I don't mind doing
>it if it's standard practice for them, they already have all my personal
>info and
>there's nothing on a photocopy that they don't already know.

I ordered 3 cd's from them a few days ago and didn't have to do this. Maybe
'cos you ordered (gasp) ELEVEN?

However I did receive an email to say that one of my picks was out of stock
for the moment. But this has happened with other internet mailorder firms
too. Wish they'd keep their website catalogues updated. The worst offenders
have to be Jungle, I've pretty much given up on them now.


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Wed Dec  6 06:58:00 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:58:00 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115800.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Flash?!  Tish and peshwari naan.  If it can't be done in DHTML it's not
worth doing...

;-)

R.


> > I thought Cyberdog was Apple ill-fated web browser?!
>
> Tee hee!  No, it's fashion for people younger and hipper than me.  See
> www.cyberdog.co.uk, enough Flash animation to keep you very happy ;))
>
> -- Andy
>
> www.andygilham.com


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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:59:49 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:59:49 -0500
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.065949.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:39:58 -0000, Thomas, Guy
<Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM> wrote:


>
>On the subject of Westbury, wasn't that Nik's last gig before his second
>ejection?

Yeah, I think Dave felt there was only one course of action left for him to
take.


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 06:57:44 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:57:44 +0000
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8D1D@LNNT47>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115744.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8D1D at LNNT47>, Thomas,
Guy <Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM> writes
>I don't know
>who played at Westbury White Horse Hill.

Great show, apart from the tripping skinhead standing next to me, so off
his head he pissed down my leg. Happy days!
--
Jon


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 07:02:18 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:02:18 GMT
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: Thomas, Guy's message of Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:53:52 -0000
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.120218.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Thomas, Guy writes:

> The Kingsbury has a couple of function rooms in the basement, that are
> available for hire.  There is a bar in the bigger room. It's a bit typically
> hotel-function-room style, with gold painted / red velvet chairs etc, but
> quite spacious, but it does have the bar (YESSSS!!!) The hotel caters a lot
> for masonic dining functions / business conferences etc, if that gives an
> idea of the kind of room ! Not as big as a certain club near the Astoria,
> but quite spacious, none the less.  IMO - could probably hold about 150.

Sounds good. Wanna give 'em a call and see if they have a couple of
dozen rooms going?

> Guy T.

FoFP


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Wed Dec  6 06:42:55 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:42:55 EDT
Subject: Attention BOC-Lers!
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001205163231.00794100@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.074255.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Essential reading for all on the list:

This month's Guitar World offers a feature article and interview with
the mellow crooning Geddy Lee!  I know it's supposed to be serious,
but I was ROTFLMFAO the whole time.  Now, why it's in Guitar World
and not Bass Player is anyone's guess, but I figure that when a talent
like Geddy hits the interview circuit, then responsible journalists leap
at the chance like a Biafran at a Golden Corral buffet...

Check it out...


theo


From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM  Wed Dec  6 07:45:51 2000
From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas, Guy)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:45:51 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.124551.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Mike - sorry - the Kingsbury IS the Bloomsbury Thistle - at least the old
name!   SAME place! That's why I added my tuppenceworth about the rooms in
the basement!

Guy

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK]
                Sent:   06 December 2000 12:02
                To:     BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
                Subject:        Re: HW: Party and hotel thing

                Thomas, Guy writes:

                > The Kingsbury has a couple of function rooms in the
basement, that are
                > available for hire.  There is a bar in the bigger room.
It's a bit typically
                > hotel-function-room style, with gold painted / red velvet
chairs etc, but
                > quite spacious, but it does have the bar (YESSSS!!!) The
hotel caters a lot
                > for masonic dining functions / business conferences etc,
if that gives an
                > idea of the kind of room ! Not as big as a certain club
near the Astoria,
                > but quite spacious, none the less.  IMO - could probably
hold about 150.

                Sounds good. Wanna give 'em a call and see if they have a
couple of
                dozen rooms going?

                > Guy T.

                FoFP


From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Wed Dec  6 08:52:13 2000
From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:52:13 +0000
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
In-Reply-To: <004101c05e5b$31ba4620$9dcb223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.135213.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Michael Blackman wrote:

> How about the hotel used recently by the RED DWARF team in November?
>
> I'll try to get more data
>

 </rant> How about snippin the post you're replying to and putting your
reply in neat sections below the bit you're replying to.

 Yes, I know you're not the only offendor, but if people want their
mails/posts to be read, this does make it an awful lot easier. It's more
likely to get you read, as well.

HTH, HAND
 Kirsten


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed Dec  6 10:14:26 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:14:26 -0600
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <20001205200400.A27083@telepres.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.091426.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Siegerman wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing
:
:Several people have expressed interest in this group-hotel thing,
:and named more than one person.  Some of you are pretty obviously
:couples; some probably aren't.  Either way, I don't want to make
:assumptions, so it'd be helpful if you could please tell me how
:many rooms you want, and whether they're singles or doubles.
:
:Similarly, if you want to double up (whether you have a roommate
:or are looking for one) let me know that too.
:

I don't mind sharing a double (though I have no roommate at present), but
I'll be in town from 12/27-1/1, so need something for that length of time.

Arin
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From paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 09:39:42 2000
From: paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:39:42 +0000
Subject: Attention BOC-Lers!
In-Reply-To: <200012061245.HAA29104@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.143942.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I bet you have posters of Geddy ALL OVER your bedroom wall really...this
front of yours isn't fooling anyone you know!

In message <200012061245.HAA29104 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
<tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
>Essential reading for all on the list:
>
>This month's Guitar World offers a feature article and interview with
>the mellow crooning Geddy Lee!  I know it's supposed to be serious,
>but I was ROTFLMFAO the whole time.  Now, why it's in Guitar World
>and not Bass Player is anyone's guess, but I figure that when a talent
>like Geddy hits the interview circuit, then responsible journalists leap
>at the chance like a Biafran at a Golden Corral buffet...
>
>Check it out...
>
>
>theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Wed Dec  6 09:23:58 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:23:58 EDT
Subject: Attention BOC-Lers!
In-Reply-To: <K+hmZfAu+kL6EwLO@keeco-uk.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.102358.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 6 Dec 00, at 14:39, Paul Mitchell wrote:

> I bet you have posters of Geddy ALL OVER your bedroom wall
> really...this front of yours isn't fooling anyone you know!
>
Yeah I do, and about a thousand darts and voodoo pins stuck in
every one!  And it's my living room, buster, lets get things right!

theo


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Wed Dec  6 11:26:52 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:26:52 -0500
Subject: OFF: Two Daevid Allen shows
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.112652.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Grand 2 Show US Tour as the Century goes away

Daevid is playing the Knitting Factory Tonight Wed. Dec 6 at 8 PM
It will be a duet performance with the theramin player who joined Gong in
Philadelphia in October -- I don't know her name--- probably be internet
broadcast at http:www.knittingfactory.com

Wednesday a week later (which becomes the 13th) the faculty of UofE will
be Mushroom or is it UMUSH? at Tongue and Groove (formerly Mick's Lounge) at
2513 Van Ness Ave, near Union St. in San Francisco --- only $4.00
probably set time at around 10 pm following a set by Matt Piucci who
used to be in Rain Parade and plays guitar real well.

Mushroom will be:
Pat-Erik-Josh-Daevid-Michael-Jay and Dave Mihaly and Steph from Azigza
in various combinations and mutilations


From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM  Wed Dec  6 11:43:51 2000
From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:43:51 -0700
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.094351.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I was driving someone home the other day, being that is what I do, and there
was a couple of hippy types on a street corner with a great big sign that
said SMILE!!!!! I did for the rest of the day! Sure helped, that did!
I hope he made lots of people smile that day!
Pam

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From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Wed Dec  6 10:57:30 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:57:30 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <3A2E6CC7.D165289C@TransWestTaxi.com>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.115730.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 6 Dec 00, at 9:43, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote:

> I was driving someone home the other day, being that is what I do, and
> there was a couple of hippy types on a street corner with a great big
> sign that said SMILE!!!!!

What's the size of their asses got to do with it?

theo


From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 11:52:57 2000
From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:52:57 -0000
Subject: HW:Party guests
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.165257.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello folks,

Not finally arranged yet, but as Mike Moorcock cannot be at the Astoria in person, he has agreed to read a couple of poems during the set via a telephone link from Texas, It will be played live over the PA. He says that he "will be there in spirit".
The Michael Moorcock society will be at the gig and will sell books etc.

More news soon!

HW
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From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Wed Dec  6 12:04:33 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:04:33 -0500
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.120433.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>

> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:33:21 -0500, Jerry Guizar <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
wrote:
>
> >   Has anyone here ordered from them before? I ordered 11 CD's and got a
> >message asking me to fax or post a copy of my credit card. The email said
> >it was standard mail order company procedure, but this is the first time
> >I've
> >ever been asked to do this and I do a LOT of mail order. I don't mind
doing
> >it if it's standard practice for them, they already have all my personal
> >info and
> >there's nothing on a photocopy that they don't already know.
>
> I ordered 3 cd's from them a few days ago and didn't have to do this.
Maybe
> 'cos you ordered (gasp) ELEVEN?

   They said it was because I was a new customer. I ordered 2 Alan Davey
(Bedouin, Chaos Delight), 3 Anubian Lights (Eternal Sky, Let Not The Flame
Die Out, Jackal and Nine), 2 Amon Duul II (Dance of the Lemmings, Yeti),
3 Ash Ra Tempel (Ash Ra Tempel, Inventions For The Electric Guitar,
Join Inn), and Tim Blake - Crystal Machine. 130 Pounds plus shipping. I
figure about $240 US and I haven't really made it out of the A's yet :(

   I ordered 9 from Richard at Cranium too (Hawkwind, Clearlight Symphony,
Datura, Krel, Magic, Kaleidoscope, Brainstorm, and Spacious Mind).  I said
I had a lot of catching up to do :)

> However I did receive an email to say that one of my picks was out of
stock
> for the moment. But this has happened with other internet mailorder firms
> too. Wish they'd keep their website catalogues updated. The worst
offenders
> have to be Jungle, I've pretty much given up on them now.

    Me too. Hey Andy - does CD Services have a text (or html) catalog
available
for download? I checked the website, but don't really know what you can get
or
how much it'll cost?

Jerry


From nexus at PANIX.COM  Wed Dec  6 12:26:23 2000
From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: HW[sort of]: Rockin' Vicars
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.122623.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

So, I was browsing the Motorhead section the other day to find
an appropriate CD for my nephew who's learning bass, and what did
I find but a CD containing all the Rockin' Vicars stuff, featuring
Lemmy for the most tracks (all but the first 2 - the a/b side of their
first single).

It was kind of interesting. Almost all cover songs, usually
early British Invasion standards type stuff.  One interesting
tidbit was a Townsend tune called "It's Alright" which was later
reworked into "The Kids are Alright".

For the compleatist in me, it was a most satisfying purchase.

JB

PS. The kid got the newish Motorhead 25 year double CD, and a copy
of Iron Maiden/Killers.  He may not like it, but I'm sure it will
annoy his mom:-)

PPS. Anyone in NYC or environs should come see The Trials of
Martin Guerre, running off-Broadway two more weeks.
http://www.deptfordplayers.org


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 12:53:20 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:53:20 -0500
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.125320.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

That's weird- I remember thinking Richard III was a shameless rip-off of a
Sonic Youth track, name of which escapes me right now.

In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my liking.
(Miserable old sod? Who me?)


From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE  Wed Dec  6 13:09:53 2000
From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:09:53 +0100
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.190953.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>              Rooms
> People  Single  Double  Name
>
>  10      10             Hawkwind
>   2               1     Denis and Kristin Regenbrecht
>   2               1     Merrick and Julie french
>   2               1     Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs
>   2               1     Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
>   1       1             Mike Holmes
>   1       1             Arin Komins
>   1       1             Rich Warren
>   1       1             Eric Siegerman
>   1       1             Michael Blackman
>
>  23      15       4     Totals

Please add:

   2                1     Andreas Stuewe and Bernhard Pospiech


From paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 13:10:13 2000
From: paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:10:13 +0000
Subject: Attention BOC-Lers!
In-Reply-To: <200012061524.KAA05072@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.181013.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well.....you know what they say.....we always hurt the ones we love!!

Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there must
be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise their
technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?

Excuse me if this is the button that sends you ballistic :)

In message <200012061524.KAA05072 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
<tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
>On 6 Dec 00, at 14:39, Paul Mitchell wrote:
>
>> I bet you have posters of Geddy ALL OVER your bedroom wall
>> really...this front of yours isn't fooling anyone you know!
>>
>Yeah I do, and about a thousand darts and voodoo pins stuck in
>every one!  And it's my living room, buster, lets get things right!
>
>theo

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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec  6 13:24:29 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:24:29 GMT
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: Andreas Stuewe's message of Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:09:53 +0100
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.182429.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Andreas Stuewe writes:

> >              Rooms
> > People  Single  Double  Name
> >
> >  10      10             Hawkwind
> >   2               1     Denis and Kristin Regenbrecht
> >   2               1     Merrick and Julie french
> >   2               1     Mark Licht and Robert Jacobs
> >   2               1     Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> >   1       1             Mike Holmes
> >   1       1             Arin Komins
> >   1       1             Rich Warren
> >   1       1             Eric Siegerman
> >   1       1             Michael Blackman
> >
> >  23      15       4     Totals
>
> Please add:
>
>    2                1     Andreas Stuewe and Bernhard Pospiech

I've also had Richard Cutting email to say he's in on the hotel deal.

FoFP


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Wed Dec  6 14:03:30 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:03:30 -0600
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.130330.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yeah!...whaddabout "La Villa Strangiato"?  At least Geddy Lee's ear
piercing vocals aren't on it!   Personally, I think it qualifies as a
"blanga" kindof a song.

Paul Mitchell wrote:

> Well.....you know what they say.....we always hurt the ones we love!!
>
> Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there must
> be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise their
> technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
>
> Excuse me if this is the button that sends you ballistic :)
>
> In message <200012061524.KAA05072 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
> <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
> >On 6 Dec 00, at 14:39, Paul Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> I bet you have posters of Geddy ALL OVER your bedroom wall
> >> really...this front of yours isn't fooling anyone you know!
> >>
> >Yeah I do, and about a thousand darts and voodoo pins stuck in
> >every one!  And it's my living room, buster, lets get things right!
> >
> >theo
>
> --
> Dr Paul Mitchell
> TECHNICAL DIRECTOR
>
> KEECO (UK) Limited
> Wheal Jane Mill
> Baldhu
> Truro
> Cornwall TR3 6ED
>
> Tel: 01872 561516
> Fax: 01872 561530
> Email: paul-mitchell at keeco-uk.demon.co.uk
>
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> Company on the date hereof, and Klean Earth Environmental
> Company assumes no obligation to update such statements.


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Wed Dec  6 14:17:37 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:17:37 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <033d01c05f1b$ff5cc740$3497bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.191737.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> not forgetting the CD's by Babylon Whores w/Turner, Dark Sun w/ Turner
> (about three of these), the ECW wrestling album with Motorhead doing
> Metallica (and Monster Magnet doing 'Kick out the jams!!!!), the Captain
> Beyond tribute album w/ Turner, the 'Big Green Experience' album w/....you
> guessed it....Turner (all stars),
> the 46.000 Fibres album with Turner....hmmmmmm - a busy lad is our Nik. You
> poor completeists out there - it just never stops.

        All right, I'll bite there - I didn't know the Captain Beyond
thing had finally come out - can you tell me, for the old file, what the
title is and which song Nik's doing (and is it as the All Stars or is it
another Grenas/Del Rio makeshift)? And what's the 46,000 Fibres one? I
only knew he'd played live with them. I like to try and keep up in
information at least, even if I haven't currently the money to buy any
music let alone Kollect... Yours,
                                  Jon

ObCD: Motorhead - _Ace of Spades_

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From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Wed Dec  6 14:03:39 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:03:39 +0100
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F02AE8D1D@LNNT47>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.200339.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi there

At 10:39 06.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Clive had definitely gone by February 1985,  since Danny played drums at he
>Hawkon in Manchester. Hang on - Clive played on the ECT show in summer 1985.
>Maybe he just couldn't make it to the Manchester show??   Who knows!  For
>sure, Danny was on the drum riser for the Chronicles tour.


>I haven't got my copy of Ade's gig list here, but I think I'm right in
>saying that Danny was at Crystal Palace, in summer 1985, but I don't know
>who played at Westbury White Horse Hill.

Clive Deamers last HAWKWIND gig was 04.06.85



cheers
Bernhard


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Wed Dec  6 14:39:45 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:39:45 -0500
Subject: Attention BOC-Lers!
In-Reply-To: <200012061524.KAA05072@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.143945.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 10:23 AM 12/6/00 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:
>On 6 Dec 00, at 14:39, Paul Mitchell wrote:
>
>> I bet you have posters of Geddy ALL OVER your bedroom wall
>> really...this front of yours isn't fooling anyone you know!
>>
>Yeah I do, and about a thousand darts and voodoo pins stuck in
>every one!  And it's my living room, buster, lets get things right!

You know, you could eliminate the darts and voodoo pins and replace
them both with a handy needle gun....


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 14:54:26 2000
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:54:26 +0000
Subject: Hawkwind/EPOCHECLIPSE
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.195426.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

There seems to be a glut of copies appearing at the moment, around the ?20
mark (3cd set). What with Xmas coming up, I'm on my 4th purchase... Oh yeah,
Santa's gonna be real good to some lucky blighters this year!!

Dave

PS. This is in Scotland... pretty far from New Zealand really!





>Can someone tell me if the EpocheEclipse 3 CD set is still available or not.
>It was released here in New Zealand for about a total of about 2/3 weeks ...
>in other words EMI imported x number of sets and when sold out promptly said
>it was deleted.
>
>Richard
>Cranium Music
>http://www.cranium.co.nz
>
>


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Wed Dec  6 15:32:59 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:32:59 -0500
Subject: HW: Updates and Song Votes
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.153259.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++ STAR WARRIORS

Log on to Mission Control Updates to vote for
the songs you want played from a list of most
requested. Mike Moorcock announcement up too...

++Message Ends


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Wed Dec  6 15:22:12 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:22:12 -0800
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.122212.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:39:58 -0000, "Thomas, Guy"
<Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM> wrote:
>I haven't got my copy of Ade's gig list here, but I think I'm right in
>saying that Danny was at Crystal Palace, in summer 1985, but I don't know
>who played at Westbury White Horse Hill.

Correct (according to the list), and yes, it was Danny at White Horse Hill
- that would have been his first gig as the "official" Hawkwind drummer.
But note the overlap between him & Clive on earlier gigs ...

>There's only a very few gigs during this period, so quoting an official
>line-up is rather difficult anyhow!

Here it is for the period in question:

Worthing        Assembly Hall           29.11.84        Fri     BR/DA/BA/LL/DM/TU/TH
Ipswich Cinderella's            22.01.85        Tue     DA/LL/BA/DM
Manchester      Exhibition Hall 10.02.85        Sun     SL/DA/BA/LL/TH/AD/CB/TU
London          Television              26.04.85        Fri     BR/DA/BA/LL/DM
Folkestone      Leas Cliff Hall 01.06.85        Sat     BR/BA/DA/LL/DM
Reading Hexagon         02.06.85        Sun     BR/BA/DA/LL/DM
Dunstable       Queensway Hall  03.06.85        Mon     BR/BA/DA/LL/DM
Nottingham      Rock City               04.06.85        Tue     BR/BA/DA/LL/DM
Stonehenge      White Horse Hill        21.06.85        Fri     BR/BA/DA/TU/TH
London          Maida Vale              19.07.85        Fri     BR/DA/BA/LL/TH
Crystal Palace Park                     24.08.85        Sat     BR/DA/BA/LL/TH/LE

>On the subject of Westbury, wasn't that Nik's last gig before his second
>ejection?

No, it was after he was fired/quit.  His last gig before that would have
been Worthing, the last show of the fall '84 tour.  I distinctly remember
reading in Brian Tawn's Hawkwind feedback that the split occurred in winter
'85 (I can't remember whether it was before or after the Hawkon in
Manchester), and that a later issue mentioned Westbury being the first
"reunion" with Nik.

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Wed Dec  6 16:51:22 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:51:22 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.215122.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Any idea how much that Blue Vinyl Sampler for the Bedouin album should sell
for?

I've seen it round a few times but never bought it!  Last time I saw it was
for 10 quid.


Rich


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 14:15:48 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:15:48 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.191548.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yes - they are a good  mail order company for sure - but do they really have
copies in stock on the shelf????
Andy Garibaldi (curious)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Guizar" <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'


> From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
>
> > In message <99.d4de171.27599eaa at aol.com>, Bob Lennon
> > <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM> writes
> > >Captured Rotation is great. It has Ron on vocs on a few tracks. The
> Bedouin
> > >cd is pretty good also. And as a matter of fact, I've been unable to
> track  a
> > >copy down,
> >
> > Cheers for the response.
> >
> > Bedouin is available at www.freakemporium.com - look in the index under
> > A (they file artists by their first names).
>


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 14:29:21 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:29:21 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.192921.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sorry - used to stock all the festi-bands cassettes but cassette supplies
sort of died out, as did the trade, so I'm waiting for all these bands to
start doing CD-R's altho' a lot of them seem slow off the mark compared to
the electronic musicians. At CD Services we've got practically all our
remaining cassette stock at only one pound per tape but there's precious
little psych stuff left (loads of guitar/industrial/ambient/synth,
though!!!!). Let me know if you want a list.
Andy Garibaldi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:57:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
> <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>
> >not forgetting the CD's by Babylon Whores w/Turner, Dark Sun w/ Turner
> >(about three of these), the ECW wrestling album with Motorhead doing
> >Metallica (and Monster Magnet doing 'Kick out the jams!!!!), the Captain
> >Beyond tribute album w/ Turner, the 'Big Green Experience' album
w/....you
> >guessed it....Turner (all stars),
> >the 46.000 Fibres album with Turner....hmmmmmm - a busy lad is our Nik.
You
> >poor completeists out there - it just never stops.
> >Andy Garibaldi (who could have mentioned a shedload more......)
> >
>
> Uncle Nik also guested on a live cassette by The Treatment- thought I'd
> mention that one as they were such a unique and amazing band, whatever
> became of them I wonder. BTW Andy do you ever have any of their cassettes
> or other stuff in stock? Delerium released an album some years back but
> I've never been able to track anything else down.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 14:42:37 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:42:37 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.194237.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - I know BOb, but even better on this thread is that I 'started' the
career sales of albums by synth supremo Mark Shreeve, who also went on to
write a couple or three of Sam Fox's biggest hits (carefully avoiding
spelling mistakes there!!!), between doing the 'real' albums of his own
stuff.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas, Guy" <Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> OK - this is REALLY tenuous, but there is at least a third link of
Samantha
> Fox with HW!  If you look on the credits of Ms Fox's singles, you'll see
> that they are engineered by a chap called Jerry Peal!  Jerry doesn't list
> them on his web site though - can't think why!
>
> Jerry's a very old  mate of mine, superb musician, especially keyboards,
and
> was talking with Doug Smith a few years back about releasing his CD.
OK
> - I know -  it was a bit loose, but he has seen HW live 5 or 6 times and
is
> into the Church of HW LP.
>
> check out          http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~twfish/
> <http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~twfish/>
>
> (Andy G - I think you know Jerry - he also works with Bob Holroyd, with
whom
> you're acquainted!)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANDREW GARIBALDI [mailto:andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM]
> Sent: 06 December 2000 00:00
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox
>
>
> yes - where do you draw the line???
> Andy Garibaldi.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Filip Vanhuyse <mailto:filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE>
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 3:03 PM
> Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
>
> Welllll,
>
> Been to a flee-market this morning  and found a Samantha Fox record for
only
> 40p.
> Seems like the completists of us have to buy that stuff too.
> As she has twice a connection with Hawkwind.
> On the "Gimme Shelter" and on the "Brixton night"
> So we can't ingnore her?
>
> Funny,me buying "Samantha Fox" records **8---)))))) !!???
>
> Actual,she must be ok,as it's the second time she connects with Hawkwind
and
> I don't
> think she was payed for her apperience on the Brixton night.
> So thumbes up for her.(I even think she will appear on the Christmas gig)
>
> Anyway,for us completists,it's funny to buy "Samantha Fox" records.
> Been to a record-fair 2 weeks ago and at a certain dealer there was a
> special section
> with Fox records and at rather high prices.
> I really feld uncomfortable.I was thinking to myself:"Oh,no I don't have
to
> buy all that sh*t"
> But as a completist you can't ignore.
>
> Any comments?
>
> best wishes
> filip hawknut


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Wed Dec  6 18:48:41 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:18:41 +1030
Subject: Which pub are we meeting
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.101841.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>  </rant> How about snippin the post you're replying to and putting your
> reply in neat sections below the bit you're replying to.

Reply >   ooops  ok

>  Yes, I know you're not the only offendor, but if people want their
> mails/posts to be read, this does make it an awful lot easier. It's more
> likely to get you read, as well.

reply >  I'm sorry maaa - I won't do it again, I promise  ;>)
-
> HTH, HAND
>  Kirsten
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirsten Procter <kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Which pub are we meeting


> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Michael Blackman wrote:
>
> > How about the hotel used recently by the RED DWARF team in November?
> >
> > I'll try to get more data
> >
>
>  </rant> How about snippin the post you're replying to and putting your
> reply in neat sections below the bit you're replying to.
>
>  Yes, I know you're not the only offendor, but if people want their
> mails/posts to be read, this does make it an awful lot easier. It's more
> likely to get you read, as well.
>
> HTH, HAND
>  Kirsten


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 19:10:55 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:10:55 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.001055.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hmmmmm..........don't want to turn this into a plug for CDS but do Delerium
deduct seventeen and a half percent VAT from the orders of people who order
from outside of the EEC because we do at CD Services, and that can amount to
one hell of a lot of savings. I don't know.
Anyway, before this develops to a point that gets silly, let me take this
ooportunity to explain that the CD Services website has been the longest
construction job to happen since the Golden Gate Bridge. We will have a
rather decent site together soon with tons of offer items and excerpts from
the catalogues, regular updates, etc. But we are also mindful of the
majority (and it is) of our customers who do not have access to the
internet, and to that end the catalogues in print will continue to take
priority. When you see that I review CD's for twelve different musical
genres (for example the Euro-rock/Contemporary catalogues alone, all
together, are the equivalent of over 80 pages long!!! - and that's just the
one catalogue, constantly being updated), and that the Hawkwind side is but
one of my interests, you will see why time to construct the site is hard to
find. But it will happen, and soon, and with a secure site, etc, etc.
So, no complete catalogue is available to download but if you want all of
them mailing, just let me know and it shall be done. Incidentally all the
stuff you ordered from Delerium is also available from us - what you must
remember is that we have this enormous worldwide access to anything
available on CD that's in print - just ask and we'll quote a price and
delievery time -after all not even Amazon can stock 650.000 actual
titles!!!!
Sorry to bore the rest of you......
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Guizar" <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'


> From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:33:21 -0500, Jerry Guizar <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
> wrote:
> >
>     Me too. Hey Andy - does CD Services have a text (or html) catalog
> available
> for download? I checked the website, but don't really know what you can
get
> or
> how much it'll cost?
>
> Jerry


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 19:11:56 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:11:56 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.001156.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

no problem - but the info is at CDS Towers so I'll grab it and reply to this
tomorrow, OK.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
> > not forgetting the CD's by Babylon Whores w/Turner, Dark Sun w/ Turner
> > (about three of these), the ECW wrestling album with Motorhead doing
> > Metallica (and Monster Magnet doing 'Kick out the jams!!!!), the Captain
> > Beyond tribute album w/ Turner, the 'Big Green Experience' album
w/....you
> > guessed it....Turner (all stars),
> > the 46.000 Fibres album with Turner....hmmmmmm - a busy lad is our Nik.
You
> > poor completeists out there - it just never stops.
>
>         All right, I'll bite there - I didn't know the Captain Beyond
> thing had finally come out - can you tell me, for the old file, what the
> title is and which song Nik's doing (and is it as the All Stars or is it
> another Grenas/Del Rio makeshift)? And what's the 46,000 Fibres one? I
> only knew he'd played live with them. I like to try and keep up in
> information at least, even if I haven't currently the money to buy any
> music let alone Kollect... Yours,
>                                   Jon
>
> ObCD: Motorhead - _Ace of Spades_
>
> --
>  |  Jon Jarrett (01223 741219)           jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>  | ======================================================================|
>  | "Zeron Gamma Two continuum entropy control parameters - AFFIRMATIVE!" |


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec  6 19:15:19 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:15:19 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.001519.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

haven't had it for a while (the sampler that is) but I think we had it on
sale for around 8 quid ages back so that's probably about right. Alan's
still got a load of them but we've just never bothered to get it back
because it was vinyl and we figured everyone who wanted it had got it by
now - am I wrong there????
Andy Garibaldi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Warren" <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'


> Any idea how much that Blue Vinyl Sampler for the Bedouin album should
sell
> for?
>
> I've seen it round a few times but never bought it!  Last time I saw it
was
> for 10 quid.
>
>
> Rich


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Wed Dec  6 19:10:41 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:40:41 +1030
Subject: HW - cool stuff at Mission Control
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.104041.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey Hawkfriends

check out the cool Xmas page at Mission Control on the updates page 
-scroll down-

Mb
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From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Wed Dec  6 19:44:35 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:44:35 +1300
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
In-Reply-To: <025001c05fe2$2b8a37a0$d116bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.134435.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Hmmmmm..........don't want to turn this into a plug for CDS but do
Delerium deduct seventeen and a half percent VAT from the orders of people
who order from outside of the EEC because we do at CD Services, and that can
amount to one hell of a lot of savings.

I always hoped you'd never mention the VAT angle because I well remember
back at the start of the 90's (before I started Cranium Music)when I was
buying ALOT of music from a place in the midlands that a certain writer of
this article used to work at charging me VAT on orders that were coming here
to New Zealand. When I questioned this I was told "I will have to ask the
accountant about whether VAT should be charged or not". Nothing ever
happened so I stopped buying. The UK has had VAT long enough now for anyone
who runs a business and exports to understand the system.

Richard


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Wed Dec  6 19:30:14 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:30:14 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.003014.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey I was there at the reunion gig - a good place to stay

Dave

Can't make it for the 29th - see you in Glasgow I hope
    -----Original Message-----
    From: XXX <boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK>
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
    Date: 05 December 2000 23:01
    Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
    
    
    Hello folks!
    
    It would be a good idea to organise an hotel for everyone. Hawkwind would stay as well if it could be got together.
    
    The Thistle Hotel  Bloomsbury Park (formally The Kingsbury) would be ideal as it is not too far to walk from the gig, being near to the British Museum.(Don't know the e-mail etc)
    
    We have booked a club for the party. This is close to the Astoria, but we like the idea of a convention type thing in an hotel.
    
    Lets get a list of names together and see what sort of deals the hotels are prepared to offer.
    
    There is also the Kensington Gardens Thistle Hotel in Bayswater Road (Taxi ride away from gig) e-mail:   Kensington.Gardens at Thistle.co.uk
    
    If it is workable, a hotel would be good for all.
    
    We have loads to do at the moment, so if someone else could organise this, that would be great!
    
    A special announcement soon to follow about the gig by the way..........!
    
    HW
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From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Wed Dec  6 05:04:12 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:04:12 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.2000.100412.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Bah.  Humbug.

Rich.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Merrick Martin French" <m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: OFF : Smile


>                                  SMILE
>
>                              Smiling is infectious
>                            You catch it like the flu
>                         When someone smiled at me today
>                              I started smiling too
>
>                            I turned around the corner
>                             and someone saw me grin
>                            When he smiled, I realised
>                             I'd passed it on to him
>
>                            I thought about the smile
>                              And realised its worth
>                             A simple smile like mine
>                           Could travel round the earth
>
>                           So if you feel a smile begin
>                            Don't leave it undetected
>                          Let's start an epidemic quick
>                            And get the world infected
>
>                                       anon
>
> Julie & Merrick French


_________________________________________________________
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From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM  Thu Dec  7 01:56:05 2000
From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:56:05 -0600
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.005605.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

If this chain is indeed dead somewhere, possibly I can set up a trade with
one of the early few people who managed to get this show.  I'd be grateful
in anyone interested could email offlist.

Thanks,


-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Wood <mwood at MY-DEJA.COM>
To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu <BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:09 AM
Subject: HW: Halloween 82 chain status?


Anyone remember this chain?  Anyone know where it is now?  I think
I was the last link, so I was just wondering if it got held up somewhere.

Thanks.

MWood

NP:  Kansas - _Somewhere to Elsewhere_  (hey, this is pretty good!)

>Date:         Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:53 -0500
>From: Dan Witt <lwitt1 at USWEST.NET>
>Subject: (O)      HW: Halloween 82 chain
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>
>The 10/31/1982 Bristol chain is ready to go.
>
>Disc I
>
>Choose Your Masques 7:07
>Coded Languages 5:11
>Magnu 5:02
>Dust Of Time 3:57
>Waiting For Tomorrow 6:14
>Angels Of Death 6:49
>Ghost Dance 4:53
>Golden Void 3:12
>Psychedelic Warlords 5:05
>
>47:34
>
>Disc II
>
>Psychedelic Warlord Jam 1:52
>Creatures Of The Nite 4:59
>Utopia 2:20
>Arrival In Utopia 6:04
>Solitary Mind Games 6:22
>Sonic Attack 5:53
>Dream Worker 5:34
>Brainstorm 9:48
>Ejection 4:46 (encore)
>
>47:42 total
>
>Sound quality is quite good.  Ejection fades out due to the master tape
>running out, I'm not sure if they performed another encore that night.
>Fabulous artwork by Kevin Sommers included for this show.
>
>Once again, send me a PRIVATE email to sign up for the the chain.  It'll
>probably start off in about 5 days.
>
>dan


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From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Thu Dec  7 03:43:43 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:43:43 +0800
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.164343.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 > > Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there must
> > be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise their
> > technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
> >
Rush's "Power Windows" is brilliant. Is up there with the "all time greats."
One of my favourites.

Cheers
Bill


From Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET  Thu Dec  7 04:21:28 2000
From: Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:21:28 -0600
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.032128.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>From what I understand it is not dead.  Marshall told me that somebody had
contacted him and was sending him the cd.  I don't know how many people got
left out, I hope not many.  Maybe the people that did can contact him and
set up a new order.  This seems to be a somewhat of a re-occurring problem
here.  The 99 tape swap ended up the same way for me, oh well.  In a few
years we will be able to just email the wav files to eachother and there
will be no need for mailing.


> If this chain is indeed dead somewhere, possibly I can set up a trade with
> one of the early few people who managed to get this show.  I'd be grateful
> in anyone interested could email offlist.
>
> Thanks,
>


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 06:20:22 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:20:22 EDT
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
In-Reply-To: <025001c05fe2$2b8a37a0$d116bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.072022.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 0:10, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

 When you see that I review CD's for
> twelve different musical genres (for example the
> Euro-rock/Contemporary catalogues alone, all together, are the
> equivalent of over 80 pages long!!! - and that's just the one
> catalogue, constantly being updated), and that the Hawkwind side is
> but one of my interests, you will see why time to construct the site
> is hard to find.

Andy,
I've seen some of your reviews on the 'net and I'd like to read more.
Are they on the net or in print?  Can you direct me to some of them?

theo


From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM  Thu Dec  7 06:42:29 2000
From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:42:29 -0800
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.034229.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yep, I just received the master in the mail yesterday.  I will
make my copy today and send the master along to you, Bryan.
There is one other person currently on the list that Bryan will
send to.

If anyone else wants to get in on this, please contact me
privately, and I'll add your name to the list.

MWood

>Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:21:28 -0600
>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>From: Dan Witt <Lwitt1 at USWEST.NET>
>Subject:      Re: Halloween 82 chain status?
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>
>>From what I understand it is not dead.  Marshall told me that somebody had
>contacted him and was sending him the cd.  I don't know how many people got
>left out, I hope not many.  Maybe the people that did can contact him and
>set up a new order.  This seems to be a somewhat of a re-occurring problem
>here.  The 99 tape swap ended up the same way for me, oh well.  In a few
>years we will be able to just email the wav files to eachother and there
>will be no need for mailing.
>
>
>> If this chain is indeed dead somewhere, possibly I can set up a trade with
>> one of the early few people who managed to get this show.  I'd be grateful
>> in anyone interested could email offlist.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>


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From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 09:11:55 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:11:55 EST
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.091155.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

often wondered why you boc-l'ers don't ever mention rush when you're
off-topic; philosophical/sci-fi-ish lyrics, sweeping arrangements; yeah i
know of all of the reasons you don't like them...but just surprised that
they're not championed on this page as other non-boc/hw bands have been.

seems like 2112 (the song) might be right up the average boc-l'er's alley...

bobm
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From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 09:17:20 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:17:20 EST
Subject: boc book coming!!
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.091720.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

martin popoff, author of the excellent 'collector's giude to heavy metal' and
'goldmine's heavy metal price guide', is near completing his next book, 'BLUE
OYSTER CULT EXPLAINED'. should be out next year.

he's a huge fan, and judging from his reviews in the aforementioned
'collector's guide', "understands" boc; although 'mirrors' is his fave lp...

right...we'll read this right after lem's book...
bobm
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From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 09:26:27 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:27 +0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
In-Reply-To: <200012061753.MAA06528@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.142627.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <200012061753.MAA06528 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
<nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my liking.

They said that 3 tracks off the second album were swipes of "Oily Way"
by Gong. Big Gong fans, they are.
--
Jon


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 08:36:12 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:36:12 EDT
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <57.e7e0755.2760f4ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.093612.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 9:11, Robert C. Mayo wrote:

> often wondered why you boc-l'ers don't ever mention rush when you're
> off-topic; philosophical/sci-fi-ish lyrics, sweeping arrangements;
> yeah i know of all of the reasons you don't like them...but just
> surprised that they're not championed on this page as other non-boc/hw
> bands have been.

Bob,
Where've ya been?  Every time I make fun of Geddy, there's usually
10 or 20 responses defending Rush's instrumental virtuosity.  Nobody
seems too interested in defending Geddy's voice, but it does
happen...

theo


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Thu Dec  7 10:34:12 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <57.e7e0755.2760f4ab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.103412.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 09:11 AM 12/7/00 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote:
>often wondered why you boc-l'ers don't ever mention rush when you're
>off-topic; philosophical/sci-fi-ish lyrics, sweeping arrangements; yeah i
>know of all of the reasons you don't like them...but just surprised that
>they're not championed on this page as other non-boc/hw bands have been.
>
>seems like 2112 (the song) might be right up the average boc-l'er's alley...

I like the Rush of the Farewell to Kings-Hemispheres-2112 era.  Geddy's
vocals don't bother me.  I guess partly out of respect to Theo, we avoid
bringing it up that much.  I also rather liked Signals.  Most of the
stuff they've done since then I don't care for.

Hey, everyone has got to have their pet dislikes.  I was never all that
fond of 'Brainstorm'.  About the only version of it I ever liked was the
one on Live '79.  See?  And I can't stand 'Watching the Grass Grow'.
Nothing against Nik, mind you, just, well, never got those two.


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Thu Dec  7 10:52:32 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:52:32 -0400
Subject: OT: Rush (mostly Brainstorm)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001207103412.00833c60@flite.net>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.115232.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Andrew Apold wrote:
> Hey, everyone has got to have their pet dislikes.  I was never all that
> fond of 'Brainstorm'.  About the only version of it I ever liked was the
> one on Live '79.  See?  And I can't stand 'Watching the Grass Grow'.
> Nothing against Nik, mind you, just, well, never got those two.

I'm so glad to hear you say that. I figured that I was the only one who
wasn't fond of Brainstorm. For me, I think it mostly has to do with Nik's
atrocious vocals. I really enjoy the Live '79 version, as well as the In
Your Area version, minus the "jump up and down" foolishness.

Brian
obRushRiff> Stick it Out


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com



> =============================
> "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
> be subject to the works of those mighty
> among dreamers."
>
> - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"
>
> Andrew Apold


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec  7 11:56:58 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:56:58 GMT
Subject: HW: Clive Deamer
In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:22:12 -0800
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.165658.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Doug Pearson writes:

> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:39:58 -0000, "Thomas, Guy"
> <Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM> wrote:
> >I haven't got my copy of Ade's gig list here, but I think I'm right in
> >saying that Danny was at Crystal Palace, in summer 1985, but I don't know
> >who played at Westbury White Horse Hill.
>
> Correct (according to the list), and yes, it was Danny at White Horse Hill
> - that would have been his first gig as the "official" Hawkwind drummer.
> But note the overlap between him & Clive on earlier gigs ...
>
> >There's only a very few gigs during this period, so quoting an official
> >line-up is rather difficult anyhow!

Speaking of Hawkwind and festivals.  Someone once told me that during
the Stonehenge riot on the night of the solstice in 1987, they'd been
playing from a van on the back road up from Amesbury, at least until the
Police moved them on.  Can anyone confirm this? If so, it'd have to mean
that I walked right past them, though that'd hardly be impossible under
the circumstances

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec  7 11:59:55 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:59:55 GMT
Subject: HW - cool stuff at Mission Control
In-Reply-To: Michael Blackman's message of Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:40:41 +1030
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.165955.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Blackman writes:

> check out the cool Xmas page at Mission Control on the updates page=20
> -scroll down-

What's this about Tim Blake tickets being available? Is he touring?

FoFP


From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Dec  7 12:24:57 2000
From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:24:57 -0500
Subject: HW: '82 Chain
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.122457.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Maybe part of the problem w/ this chain is the way that it's structured.
Maybe, others have not done chains before either.

Most of the time, things are handled as a tree. Someone has the show and
people volunteer to be a branch if they can make copies and others are
merely leaves. The leaves handle their portion by doing B&P's.

For those of you that don't know, a B&P is Blanks and return postage.

Maybe someone thought that they could keep the copy...

I personally don't think that the chain idea works that well. It seems as
though the recent posts are evidence to support this fact.

I did a couple trees on this list this year and they worked fine.

I suggest that in the future we go back to the tree structure. This will
make each participant responsible more for themselves and others less
dependent on someone in front of them.

This does put more responsibility on the person that has the source show. If
that person does not want the responsibility, they could make a copy of the
show for someone that will accept the responsibility. If not, that should
not even bother in the first place.

Just a thought.

D-Rider
_____________________________________________________________________________________
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From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Thu Dec  7 13:13:13 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:13:13 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.181313.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Heh

Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.

Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.

Rich



----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrin McKeehen" <dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:24 PM
Subject: HW: '82 Chain


> Maybe part of the problem w/ this chain is the way that it's structured.
> Maybe, others have not done chains before either.
>
> Most of the time, things are handled as a tree. Someone has the show and
> people volunteer to be a branch if they can make copies and others are
> merely leaves. The leaves handle their portion by doing B&P's.
>
> For those of you that don't know, a B&P is Blanks and return postage.
>
> Maybe someone thought that they could keep the copy...
>
> I personally don't think that the chain idea works that well. It seems as
> though the recent posts are evidence to support this fact.
>
> I did a couple trees on this list this year and they worked fine.
>
> I suggest that in the future we go back to the tree structure. This will
> make each participant responsible more for themselves and others less
> dependent on someone in front of them.
>
> This does put more responsibility on the person that has the source show.
If
> that person does not want the responsibility, they could make a copy of
the
> show for someone that will accept the responsibility. If not, that should
> not even bother in the first place.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> D-Rider
>
____________________________________________________________________________
_________
> Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download :
http://explorer.msn.com
>


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec  7 13:16:21 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:16:21 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
In-Reply-To: <005701c06079$5d9f3c80$4f8179d5@a>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.181621.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.
>
> Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.


Some of us have cad cable modems for, like, weeks ;)

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Thu Dec  7 13:17:50 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:17:50 -0500
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
In-Reply-To: <005701c06079$5d9f3c80$4f8179d5@a>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.131750.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Rich Warren wrote:

=> Heh
=>
=> Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.
=>
=> Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.

What, even things that should take only 1 second? >;-)

Cheers,

Paul.

NP: Warren Haynes & Matt Abts, Paradise Rock Club, Boston, MA, 2000-11-07

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 12:37:28 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:37:28 EDT
Subject: OFF: GM [No BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0012071315030.4303-100000@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.133728.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 13:17, Paul Mather wrote:

> NP: Warren Haynes & Matt Abts, Paradise Rock Club, Boston, MA,
> 2000-11-07

Paul,
What's to become of GM after Woody's passing?

theo


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 13:48:20 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:48:20 +0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
In-Reply-To: <JYBCOAAT45L6EwYz@comics.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.184820.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <JYBCOAAT45L6EwYz at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne
<jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>In article <200012061753.MAA06528 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
><nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>>In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my liking.
>
>They said that 3 tracks off the second album were swipes of "Oily Way"
>by Gong. Big Gong fans, they are.

Really?? Well that changes everything. Let me rephrase my earlier
comments:  Supergrass- fine young men of impeccable good taste and
unimpeachable character, if a little lacking in originality. Allegedly.
--
Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 13:29:08 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:29:08 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.182908.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hey!!!- this isn't going to be one of thsoe threads where we all announce
our least favourite Hawkwind tracks and the list gets bigger and bigger
until one among us, in true Monty Python style, actually declares he doesn't
actually like the band at all - thought not!!!
Andy Garibaldi (beware - humorous mood tonight!!!)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Apold" <mordru at FLITE.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


> At 09:11 AM 12/7/00 EST, Robert C. Mayo wrote:
> Hey, everyone has got to have their pet dislikes.  I was never all that
> fond of 'Brainstorm'.  About the only version of it I ever liked was the
> one on Live '79.  See?  And I can't stand 'Watching the Grass Grow'.
> Nothing against Nik, mind you, just, well, never got those two.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 13:33:20 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:33:20 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.183320.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I have
forgotten the title of the darned thing)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Cynthia" <freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


> > > Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there
must
> > > be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise their
> > > technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
> > >
> Rush's "Power Windows" is brilliant. Is up there with the "all time
greats."
> One of my favourites.
>
> Cheers
> Bill


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:02:30 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:02:30 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.190230.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually
('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
sure.(both sides)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lockwood" <rich-

> Bah.  Humbug.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:07:30 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:07:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.190730.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hey - I'd forgotten all that. For those that are unaware here, I used to run
Lotus Records Mail Order in Stoke-On-Trent throughut the eighties (then Mike
Lloyd Music Mail Order in the first half of the nineties) and Richard is
right - when I asked the  higher powers that I worked for, they told me that
knocking off the VAT on foreign orders was not done, so we never did it. It
wasn't until I got to CD Services that I was told the correct way of doing
it, which probably accounts for why the old place went bust earlier on this
year.
Forgiven me yet Richard????
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Stockwell" <richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'


> > Hmmmmm..........don't want to turn this into a plug for CDS but do
> Delerium deduct seventeen and a half percent VAT from the orders of people
> who order from outside of the EEC because we do at CD Services, and that
can
> amount to one hell of a lot of savings.
>
> I always hoped you'd never mention the VAT angle because I well remember
> back at the start of the 90's (before I started Cranium Music)when I was
> buying ALOT of music from a place in the midlands that a certain writer of
> this article used to work at charging me VAT on orders that were coming
here
> to New Zealand. When I questioned this I was told "I will have to ask the
> accountant about whether VAT should be charged or not". Nothing ever
> happened so I stopped buying. The UK has had VAT long enough now for
anyone
> who runs a business and exports to understand the system.
>
> Richard


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:13:12 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:13:12 -0000
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.191312.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In print actually although if I have the time a whole new set of reviews
will be on my web site by a week on Sunday, so make the most of the old ones
as they'll be disappearing. But nearly everything else over the past
lord-knows-how many years is in printed form, so tell me your musical areas
of interest (and address) to:
agcdser at aol.com
 and I'll get to you whatever we have still in print
Andy Garibaldi.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr."
> Andy,
> I've seen some of your reviews on the 'net and I'd like to read more.
> Are they on the net or in print?  Can you direct me to some of them?
>
> theo


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:16:54 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:16:54 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.191654.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

what the hell is an ADSL line???
Andy G the Luddite
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Warren" <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)


> Heh
>
> Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.
>
> Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrin McKeehen" <dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:24 PM
> Subject: HW: '82 Chain
>
>
> > Maybe part of the problem w/ this chain is the way that it's structured.
> > Maybe, others have not done chains before either.
> >
> > Most of the time, things are handled as a tree. Someone has the show and
> > people volunteer to be a branch if they can make copies and others are
> > merely leaves. The leaves handle their portion by doing B&P's.
> >
> > For those of you that don't know, a B&P is Blanks and return postage.
> >
> > Maybe someone thought that they could keep the copy...
> >
> > I personally don't think that the chain idea works that well. It seems
as
> > though the recent posts are evidence to support this fact.
> >
> > I did a couple trees on this list this year and they worked fine.
> >
> > I suggest that in the future we go back to the tree structure. This will
> > make each participant responsible more for themselves and others less
> > dependent on someone in front of them.
> >
> > This does put more responsibility on the person that has the source
show.
> If
> > that person does not want the responsibility, they could make a copy of
> the
> > show for someone that will accept the responsibility. If not, that
should
> > not even bother in the first place.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > D-Rider
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> _________
> > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download :
> http://explorer.msn.com
> >


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:19:11 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:19:11 -0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.191911.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

rarely does one see such a fine example of backtracking so smoothly and so
fast - don't care if they are Gong fans; the songs are still Garbage
(actually Garbage are better, but that's a whole other story)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover


> In message <JYBCOAAT45L6EwYz at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne
> <jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
> >In article <200012061753.MAA06528 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
> ><nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
> >>In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my
liking.
> >
> >They said that 3 tracks off the second album were swipes of "Oily Way"
> >by Gong. Big Gong fans, they are.
>
> Really?? Well that changes everything. Let me rephrase my earlier
> comments:  Supergrass- fine young men of impeccable good taste and
> unimpeachable character, if a little lacking in originality. Allegedly.
> --
> Nick Medford


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Thu Dec  7 14:08:24 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:08:24 +0100
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
In-Reply-To: <017c01c06082$43717d60$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.200824.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

At 19:16 07.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>what the hell is an ADSL line???

It is a connection which is about 10-12 times faster than ISDN

I'll get mine at the end of January 2001

Bernhard


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:10:48 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:10:48 -0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.111048.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually
> ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> sure.(both sides)
>


Humbug is pretty bad, but I've always liked IBIFC, both versions.
Get the ELP "Christmas" EP cd (Rhino), which has the 3 above tracks,
Nutrocker, and Emo's take on the Lt. Ketje Suite (sp?) from which
the music for Father Christmas was, er, borrowed. Great track.


scorch


From stretch at GOT.NET  Thu Dec  7 14:12:55 2000
From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:12:55 -0800
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.111255.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sorry about that folks...the Halloween 82 chain is NOT dead...its just been
a friggin nightmare for me to get a copy. I tried to play the disc in my
home cd player and discovered it wouldn't play (which is the only way I can
burn a copy) so I tried it in my PC (computer) and discovered it had to be
duplicated in a computer system. I lent it to a friend, and after a week and
a half he gave me a copy along with the original. I STILL can't play it on
my home cd player. It shows one track lasting 75 minutes but no sound comes
out. It'll work in my PC but who wants to listen to crappy computer
speakers, and its distorted too. All I wanted was a copy to play at home!
By the way, the artwork shows 2 discs, but only one was sent to me. Am I
missing the point here? HELP! I'll try and find the original post telling me
who to send this thing to, and I'll do that a.s.a.p. Again, if anyone can
help out a fellow Hawkfan send me an e-mail at <stretch at got.net> with some
instructions. SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY WITH THIS CHAIN...
Jeff "Stretch" Riedle


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:16:46 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:16:46 -0800
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.111646.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The problem with discussing Rush is that on nearly every list in
the Multiverse where this happens, it degenerates into a screamfest.
Want flamewars? Just dare to venture into the Rush newsgroups and
mailing lists. Scarier than Lemmy & Nik doing hot-oil nude wrestling.

That said, I love middle-period Rush, Moving Pictures being the pinnacle.
Saw them that tour also, with FM opening, awesome show. On early stuff
Geddy is too screachy, and on the latter stuff there's not enough keys
or progressive influences. Top flight musicians though!


scorch


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Thu Dec  7 14:25:36 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:25:36 -0500
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <016001c06081$f8576a60$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.142536.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 06:29 PM 12/7/00 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>hey!!!- this isn't going to be one of thsoe threads where we all announce
>our least favourite Hawkwind tracks and the list gets bigger and bigger
>until one among us, in true Monty Python style, actually declares he doesn't
>actually like the band at all - thought not!!!
>Andy Garibaldi (beware - humorous mood tonight!!!)

Heaven Forbid!.  Brainstorm is not even my least favorite HW track, far from
it!


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Thu Dec  7 14:26:47 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:47 -0500
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <016401c06081$fc668a00$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.142647.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 06:33 PM 12/7/00 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I have
>forgotten the title of the darned thing)

Exit stage left.


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Thu Dec  7 14:29:57 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:29:57 +0100
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.20001207111140.0d8f6a1c@mail.got.net>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.202957.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello Jeff
Hello Folks


Just a few words from me about the 1982 chain

Well, the owner of the MASTER CD asked a couple of months ago who would
like to take part on this chain.

And I was one of about 6 or 7 fans

After the CD was created, the owner posted all 7 e-mail addresses to each
fan. The addresses were in a special order.
1st there were  UK addresses and I (from Germany) was the last on this
small list what made sense because to safe money the master CD was copied
to fans in the UK first

After this I have received the original CD.
I made a copy for me and wanted to send the original back to the owner. But
he told me that I was indeed the last one on the list and I could do with
the original CD what I want.

Yes, I have got now this CD !!!

Now to you Jeff

Please have a look on your CD and you will find a README.TXT file which says:



 ===========================================================================
===========
Hawkwind - Choose the Side that You'll be on..

Contents:

Tracks for disc I and II in SHN format.
Front cover artwork
Inner front cover artwork (optional, requires printing on both sides of paper)
Back cover artwork
Shorten.exe
Unshort.bat
Readme.txt(this file)


Instructions:

Copy the all the SHN tracks to an empty directory on your hard drive(make
sure you have 2 gigs free).
Copy shorten.exe and unshort.bat to the same directory
In MSDOS, in the directory with the files, type "unshort"
   (shorten.exe will then unzip all of the audio tracks to their wav
format, this may take 20 minutes on a slow computer)
Once shorten is done verify you have the all the tracks in wav format in
the directory.
Open your favorite cdr burning program and burn the two discs (see the back
cover artwork for correct track order), using disc at once.
If you want the artwork print out the two(three) jpg files.
Contact the next person in the chain and send the chain disc on.

 ===========================================================================
============



Thats it !!!


Enjoy this phantastic CD


cheers
Bernhard


From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:37:10 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:37:10 EST
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.143710.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/7/00 2:17:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scorch at TE-CATS.COM writes:


> Scarier than Lemmy &

NOT

bobm
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From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec  7 14:41:56 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:41:56 -0500
Subject: HW: Hawkman music?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.144156.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Folks...

What happened to Hawkman Music?  Stephen, are you out there?

The intplsrv.net/hawkman page is dead...is the business dead (hope not) or
is there a new site?

Grakkl (FAA), who doesn't really like Brainstorm either, but rather liked
the a cappella-intro Brainstorm from that late 80's BBC radio show (?), and
who has not one Hawkwind CD without another Hawkwind CD on top of it.

P.S.  Who carries the Weird CD's in the states?   Anybody?!?  MC, is Delta
Wave operating again?


From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:34:40 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:34:40 EST
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.143440.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

well. ok, but defending rush's instrumental virtuosity is far from defending
them as a band of the same 'ilk'; same type/validity interms of themes
visited here almost everyday.  instrumental virtuosity by itself amounts to
squat as you'll all no doubt agree...?:)

bobm
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 14:28:25 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:28:25 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.142825.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:

<< B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually

('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for

sure.(both sides)

 >>
=======
really?
worse than 'love beach'?
[ducking]

"<>"


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Thu Dec  7 15:09:33 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:09:33 +0100
Subject: HW: Hawkman music?
In-Reply-To: <200012071950.OAA27707@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.210933.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

At 14:41 07.12.2000 -0500, you wrote:

>What happened to Hawkman Music?  Stephen, are you out there?
>The intplsrv.net/hawkman page is dead...

Its not. Try this one: http://www.ka.net/ss/



Bernhard


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Thu Dec  7 15:28:11 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:28:11 GMT
Subject: HW: Xmas song vote
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.202811.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello Everyone,

Good selection of songs to vote for on Mission Control for the Xmas setlist. I've gone for -  Seeing It As You Really Are, Damage of Life, Paradox, Chronoglide Skyway and SOTA

Mick

May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.

--------------------
talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 14:21:44 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:21:44 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <c9.b1c6785.27613ed9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.152144.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>
> << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
> actually
>
> ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
>
> sure.(both sides)
>
>  >>
> =======
> really?
> worse than 'love beach'?
> [ducking]

Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad.
ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L.
Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of
shite along with the stuff I like...

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 14:24:50 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:24:50 EDT
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <200012071916.LAA23295@bob.te-cats.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.152450.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 11:16, John H. McCartney wrote:

> The problem with discussing Rush is that on nearly every list in
> the Multiverse where this happens, it degenerates into a screamfest.
> Want flamewars? Just dare to venture into the Rush newsgroups and
> mailing lists. Scarier than Lemmy & Nik doing hot-oil nude wrestling.
>
> That said, I love middle-period Rush, Moving Pictures being the
> pinnacle. Saw them that tour also, with FM opening, awesome show. On
> early stuff Geddy is too screachy, and on the latter stuff there's not
> enough keys or progressive influences. Top flight musicians though!
>
I've actually seen them a couple times live!  But each time it was
opening for BOC, if you can believe it, so that pegs it somewhere in
the cenezoic era [or is it epoch?]

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec  7 14:26:22 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:26:22 EDT
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <c7.4394d2b.27614050@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.152622.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 14:34, Robert C. Mayo wrote:

> well. ok, but defending rush's instrumental virtuosity is far from
> defending them as a band of the same 'ilk'; same type/validity interms
> of themes visited here almost everyday.  instrumental virtuosity by
> itself amounts to squat as you'll all no doubt agree...?:)

You betcha.  Else we'd all be listening to classical music, eh?

theo


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec  7 15:33:49 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:33:49 -0500
Subject: HW: Davey's Captured Rotation...
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.153349.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

...seems to be at closeout prices ($5.00) at www.lasercd.com, though I can't
be sure it's not a typo, as it doesn't appear in the separate 'closeout'
section.

Might give it a try though, if you need it.

The New World's Fair is up there at $6.00 also, and ST 37's Spaceage (an
Italian import) for $12.

Grakkl (FAA)


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Thu Dec  7 15:46:59 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:46:59 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <200012061149.GAA04512@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.204659.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:

> Uncle Nik also guested on a live cassette by The Treatment- thought I'd
> mention that one as they were such a unique and amazing band, whatever
> became of them I wonder. BTW Andy do you ever have any of their cassettes
> or other stuff in stock? Delerium released an album some years back but
> I've never been able to track anything else down.

        Hmm. Should I perhaps get that copy of _Cipher Caput_ that's been
sitting on a music stall in Cambridge for the last four years then?

        Nick, any more details about this cassette? As may have become
apparent, I'm the owner of an attempt to keep track of Hawkwind members
guest spots and so forth and I've no idea what or when this would be. Any
help appreciated, yours,
                         Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Thu Dec  7 16:08:16 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:08:16 -0500
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <001401c05f0f$605671c0$7de493c3@default>; from
 boclist@HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK on Tue, Dec 05,
 2000 at 11:01:26PM -0000
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.160816.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Latest counts for hotel rooms:

        --------- Rooms ------
                Will
People  Single  Share   Double  Name
2                       1       Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
2                       1       merrick and Julie french
1               y       0.5     Mike Holmes
1               y       0.5     Arin Komins
1       1                       Rich Warren
1       1       n               Eric Siegerman
1               y       0.5     Mark Licht
1               y       0.5     Robert Jacobs
1       1                       Michael Blackman
2                       1       Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
10      10                      Hawkwind
        1       n               Jill Strobridge
                y       0.5     Andreas Stuewe
                y       0.5     Bernhard Pospiech
        1                       Richard Cutting
---------------------------------------------------------------
23      15              6       Totals

ie. 21 rooms.  ("0.5 of a double" is my way of tallying people
who are willing to share a room but not a bed :-)

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 16:09:46 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.210946.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Exit Stage Left? Is that the on that Glasgow features on?

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 07 December 2000 19:01
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


>The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I have
>forgotten the title of the darned thing)
>Andy Garibaldi.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill & Cynthia" <freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:43 AM
>Subject: Re: OT: Rush
>
>
>> > > Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there
>must
>> > > be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise
their
>> > > technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
>> > >
>> Rush's "Power Windows" is brilliant. Is up there with the "all time
>greats."
>> One of my favourites.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bill
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 16:13:22 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:13:22 -0000
Subject: HW and Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.211322.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Rush supported HW in 74 in the states. True or false
Rush used Hawkwinds lights and especially slide show in UK tours in the early eighties - again true or false (no 'phone a friend!!!)

Dave
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 16:42:19 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:42:19 EST
Subject: HW and Rush
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.164219.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/7/00 4:23:07 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< Rush supported HW in 74 in the states. True or false >>
======
when i saw HW in philly 4/5/74 they appeared to have brought along Man, who
opened that night, for tour support.

which is not to say there were no gigs incl. Rush, though....


"<>"


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 17:22:55 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:22:55 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.222255.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

So which are the hotels to approach?   And what exactly are we
asking for?   Bed - breakfast - anything else?
jill
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> Latest counts for hotel rooms:
>
>         --------- Rooms ------
>                 Will
> People  Single  Share   Double  Name
> 2                       1       Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
> 2                       1       merrick and Julie french
> 1               y       0.5     Mike Holmes
> 1               y       0.5     Arin Komins
> 1       1                       Rich Warren
> 1       1       n               Eric Siegerman
> 1               y       0.5     Mark Licht
> 1               y       0.5     Robert Jacobs
> 1       1                       Michael Blackman
> 2                       1       Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> 10      10                      Hawkwind
>         1       n               Jill Strobridge
>                 y       0.5     Andreas Stuewe
>                 y       0.5     Bernhard Pospiech
>         1                       Richard Cutting
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 23      15              6       Totals
>
> ie. 21 rooms.  ("0.5 of a double" is my way of tallying people
> who are willing to share a room but not a bed :-)
>
> --
>
> |  | /\
> |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> |  |  /
> Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> fired for relying on Microsoft.
>         - Chris Garrigues
>


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Thu Dec  7 17:43:21 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:43:21 +1300
Subject: HW: Alan Davey solo/still searchin'
In-Reply-To: <017101c06082$0d21ae60$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.114321.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Forgiven me yet Richard????

I have now. Thanks for the eggplantation.

Richard


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Thu Dec  7 18:18:46 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:18:46 -0500
Subject: OFF:DarXtar
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.181846.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
that was to come out?
Also to be sort of on topic: I heard briefly mentioned here a few weeks
ago the Acid Jam II by Bevis Frond members. Adrian Shaw plays on most of
it, and Simon house one track. Also members from Magic Muscle and Edgar
Broughton appear. I paid $16.99 for 2 CDs and it is mindbending. I
cannot recommend this enough, especially if you like Bari Watts and Ric
Gunther as well. Thanks,
Chris

NP Treatment - Cypher Kaput


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Thu Dec  7 18:28:31 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:28:31 -0500
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.182831.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:13:13 -0000, Rich Warren <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
wrote:

>Heh
>
>Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.
>
>Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.
>


As it should be. :}


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Thu Dec  7 18:49:13 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:49:13 -0500
Subject: hw: Bedouin and Updates
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.184913.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS

UDATES AT MISSION CONTROL
Bedouin date announced
T-Shirt comp announcement soon
www.hawkwind.org.uk

++MESSAGE ENDS


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:24:54 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:24:54 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.002454.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - that's the one!!!!
A senile Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Apold" <mordru at FLITE.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


> At 06:33 PM 12/7/00 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
> >The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I
have
> >forgotten the title of the darned thing)
>
> Exit stage left.
>
>
> =============================
> "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
>  be subject to the works of those mighty
>  among dreamers."
>
>  - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"
>
> Andrew Apold


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:29:49 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:29:49 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.002949.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

christ - even Eminem's better than 'Love Beach' and he's sub-Celine Dion!!!
Love Beach - one of the greatest 'albums that sucked' of all time.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DASLUD at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>
> << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually
>
> ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
>
> sure.(both sides)
>
>  >>
> =======
> really?
> worse than 'love beach'?
> [ducking]
>
> "<>"


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:31:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:31:10 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.003110.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

dunno - just a phenoemenal album for me, that's all - although I didn't hear
the last live triple thing yet - any good anyone??
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "david hall" <dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


> Exit Stage Left? Is that the on that Glasgow features on?
>
> Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Date: 07 December 2000 19:01
> Subject: Re: OT: Rush
>
>
> >The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I
have
> >forgotten the title of the darned thing)
> >Andy Garibaldi.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill & Cynthia" <freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU>
> >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:43 AM
> >Subject: Re: OT: Rush
> >
> >
> >> > > Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there
> >must
> >> > > be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise
> their
> >> > > technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
> >> > >
> >> Rush's "Power Windows" is brilliant. Is up there with the "all time
> >greats."
> >> One of my favourites.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Bill
> >


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 19:17:15 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:17:15 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012072044510.18773-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.001715.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012072044510.18773-100000 at chiark.greenend.
org.uk>, Jon Jarrett <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK> writes
>On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:
>
>> Uncle Nik also guested on a live cassette by The Treatment- thought I'd
>> mention that one as they were such a unique and amazing band, whatever
>> became of them I wonder. BTW Andy do you ever have any of their cassettes
>> or other stuff in stock? Delerium released an album some years back but
>> I've never been able to track anything else down.
>
>        Hmm. Should I perhaps get that copy of _Cipher Caput_ that's been
>sitting on a music stall in Cambridge for the last four years then?

Definitely!

>
>        Nick, any more details about this cassette? As may have become
>apparent, I'm the owner of an attempt to keep track of Hawkwind members
>guest spots and so forth and I've no idea what or when this would be. Any
>help appreciated, yours,
>                         Jon


The cassette was "Treatment Live At Stonehenge '81/'82", sadly I don't
possess a copy of this wondrous artefact so can't give you details of specific
tracks.

Have a look at

http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakbea/archive/intview/treatmen.html

for more on the band and a bit about their friendship with Nik. You may be
able to contact someone with more info through the site.
--
Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:35:32 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:35:32 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.003532.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

summed up to perfection - now let's leave it there while it all makes sense
and move onto soemthing else - like just how amazing is the new
Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover of 'Echoes'
(yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best album I've heard
this week.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John H. McCartney" <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


> The problem with discussing Rush is that on nearly every list in
> the Multiverse where this happens, it degenerates into a screamfest.
> Want flamewars? Just dare to venture into the Rush newsgroups and
> mailing lists. Scarier than Lemmy & Nik doing hot-oil nude wrestling.
>
> That said, I love middle-period Rush, Moving Pictures being the pinnacle.
> Saw them that tour also, with FM opening, awesome show. On early stuff
> Geddy is too screachy, and on the latter stuff there's not enough keys
> or progressive influences. Top flight musicians though!
>
>
> scorch


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 19:23:34 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:23:34 +0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
In-Reply-To: <018801c06082$94bb6d20$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.002334.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <018801c06082$94bb6d20$be1cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
>rarely does one see such a fine example of backtracking so smoothly and so
>fast - don't care if they are Gong fans; the songs are still Garbage
>(actually Garbage are better, but that's a whole other story)
>Andy Garibaldi.

Backtracking?! No, m'lud, I still think they're pretty dull, I was just finding a
nicer way to say it.

As they are fellow Gong fans, let's just say they're not my cuppa tea :-)

Do they REALLY like Gong anyway or is that just a mischievous bit of
disinformation?


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:48 PM
>Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover
>
>
>> In message <JYBCOAAT45L6EwYz at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne
>> <jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>> >In article <200012061753.MAA06528 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
>> ><nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>> >>In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my
>liking.
>> >
>> >They said that 3 tracks off the second album were swipes of "Oily Way"
>> >by Gong. Big Gong fans, they are.
>>
>> Really?? Well that changes everything. Let me rephrase my earlier
>> comments:  Supergrass- fine young men of impeccable good taste and
>> unimpeachable character, if a little lacking in originality. Allegedly.
>> --
>> Nick Medford

--
Nick Medford


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:26:57 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:26:57 -0800
Subject: Arch Met
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.162657.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> the new Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover
> of 'Echoes' (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best
> album I've heard this week.
> Andy Garibaldi.


Tell Me More! And, because I'm feeling dain-bramaged at the moment,
remind me where I can get their stuff? I've only got Creature...
that I stumbled across in a local shop.


scorch


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec  7 19:42:12 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:42:12 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.004212.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - 'Trilogy' at one end, 'Love Beach' at the other, but practically all
bands have this at some stage - Genesis 'Foxtrot' and 'Abacab', Yes -
'Relayer' and 'Drama',
Floyd 'Piper' and 'Wall' - so it goes on - any more anyone?????
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> >
> > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
> > actually
> >
> > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> >
> > sure.(both sides)
> >
> >  >>
> > =======
> > really?
> > worse than 'love beach'?
> > [ducking]
>
> Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad.
> ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L.
> Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of
> shite along with the stuff I like...
>
> theo


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 19:32:20 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:32:20 +0000
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <016001c06081$f8576a60$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.003220.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <016001c06081$f8576a60$be1cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
>hey!!!- this isn't going to be one of thsoe threads where we all announce
>our least favourite Hawkwind tracks and the list gets bigger and bigger
>until one among us, in true Monty Python style, actually declares he doesn't
>actually like the band at all - thought not!!!

Perish the thought!

But just for the record :-)

My least favourite HW tracks: Star Cannibal- truly awful lyrics,  Black Elk
Speaks- starts off really well but I find Bridgett's contribution unbearable
(apologies to all those who thought she was a Good Thing).
--
Nick Medford


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Thu Dec  7 19:36:14 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:36:14 -0500
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <005201c060ae$2a50faa0$839abc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.193614.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

=> dunno - just a phenoemenal album for me, that's all - although I didn't hear
=> the last live triple thing yet - any good anyone??

If you like _Exit... Stage Left_, then you'll *love* the "bonus"
Hammersmith disc of _Different Stages_!!

(I don't remember much about the two contemporary discs, except they do
a version of "2112," which I heard hadn't been done in recent tours.
[I'm probably wrong, as I don't keep up with Rush.])

Cheers,

Paul.

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Thu Dec  7 20:01:41 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:01:41 -0500
Subject: Klassic Kovers
In-Reply-To: <007401c060ae$c60d24a0$839abc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.200141.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

=> and move onto soemthing else - like just how amazing is the new
=> Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover of 'Echoes'
=> (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best album I've heard
=> this week.

Pink Floyd covers seem de rigeur nowadays.  Col. Les Claypool's Fearless
Flying Frog Brigade have been covering the entire _Animals_ album from
start to finish in their second set quite often these days, as well as
other Floyd numbers like "Shine On You Crazy Diamond."  This Halloween,
moe. covered the entire _Dark Side of the Moon_ album during their first
set.

Some "jambands" have covered entire classic albums as a special occasion
during their Halloween show.  That got me to thinking: what "classic"
album would Hawkwind or BOC cover for a Halloween show?  It would have
to be something for which they felt an affinity; kind of like something
that expressed their "roots."

Any ideas?

Cheers,

Paul.

NP: Bevis Frond, Kaue, Gelsenkirchen, Germany, 1999-4-13

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec  7 20:08:06 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:38:06 +1030
Subject: HW - cool stuff at Mission Control
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.113806.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> What's this about Tim Blake tickets being available? Is he touring?

Don't know?
Wish me luck for my plane fare by monday!!!

Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: M Holmes <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: HW - cool stuff at Mission Control


> Michael Blackman writes:
>
> > check out the cool Xmas page at Mission Control on the updates page=20
> > -scroll down-
>
> What's this about Tim Blake tickets being available? Is he touring?
>
> FoFP
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Dec  7 19:59:24 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:59:24 -0000
Subject: OT: Rush (triple live)
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.005924.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Brilliant!! One CD live from 78. Well worth yer dosh

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 08 December 2000 00:18
Subject: Re: OT: Rush


>dunno - just a phenoemenal album for me, that's all - although I didn't
hear
>the last live triple thing yet - any good anyone??
>Andy G.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "david hall" <dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:09 PM
>Subject: Re: OT: Rush
>
>
>> Exit Stage Left? Is that the on that Glasgow features on?
>>
>> Dave
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>> Date: 07 December 2000 19:01
>> Subject: Re: OT: Rush
>>
>>
>> >The second live album for me - the best of all of them!!!! (even I f I
>have
>> >forgotten the title of the darned thing)
>> >Andy Garibaldi.
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Bill & Cynthia" <freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU>
>> >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>> >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:43 AM
>> >Subject: Re: OT: Rush
>> >
>> >
>> >> > > Come on....out of the (bedroom or living room) closet now....there
>> >must
>> >> > > be at least ONE Rush song that you like.....and do you recognise
>> their
>> >> > > technical skills even if you hate the music/GL's voice?
>> >> > >
>> >> Rush's "Power Windows" is brilliant. Is up there with the "all time
>> >greats."
>> >> One of my favourites.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Bill
>> >
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec  7 20:15:21 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:45:21 +1030
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.114521.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> what the hell is an ADSL line???

I've got one conected to my shower - excellent!!!

8>)))

----- Original Message -----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)


> what the hell is an ADSL line???
> Andy G the Luddite
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Warren" <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:13 PM
> Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
>
>
> > Heh
> >
> > Just got my ADSL line. The Whole Hawkwind site loads in like 3 seconds.
> >
> > Infact everything loads in 3 seconds.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darrin McKeehen" <dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:24 PM
> > Subject: HW: '82 Chain
> >
> >
> > > Maybe part of the problem w/ this chain is the way that it's
structured.
> > > Maybe, others have not done chains before either.
> > >
> > > Most of the time, things are handled as a tree. Someone has the show
and
> > > people volunteer to be a branch if they can make copies and others are
> > > merely leaves. The leaves handle their portion by doing B&P's.
> > >
> > > For those of you that don't know, a B&P is Blanks and return postage.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone thought that they could keep the copy...
> > >
> > > I personally don't think that the chain idea works that well. It seems
> as
> > > though the recent posts are evidence to support this fact.
> > >
> > > I did a couple trees on this list this year and they worked fine.
> > >
> > > I suggest that in the future we go back to the tree structure. This
will
> > > make each participant responsible more for themselves and others less
> > > dependent on someone in front of them.
> > >
> > > This does put more responsibility on the person that has the source
> show.
> > If
> > > that person does not want the responsibility, they could make a copy
of
> > the
> > > show for someone that will accept the responsibility. If not, that
> should
> > > not even bother in the first place.
> > >
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > D-Rider
> > >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> > _________
> > > Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download :
> > http://explorer.msn.com
> > >


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec  7 20:27:32 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 20:27:32 -0500
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.202732.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Chris asked...

>Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
>that was to come out?

I seem to remember some discussion about this in Brixton.  I think the word
was - The Commander had given the final mixdown to Delerium long ago, and
he's now sick and tired of asking when it will be released, so they're just
going to sit on it until they get their ass in gear and put it out.  Correct
me if I'm wrong.
I'm pretty sure that otherwise the band was pretty much on indefinite
hiatus.  Sad to see them treated so badly...they deserve better!  And
Delerium has zero presence in the US anymore, so hard to make a global
impact with any new release.

>Also to be sort of on topic: I heard briefly mentioned here a few weeks
>ago the Acid Jam II by Bevis Frond members. Adrian Shaw plays on most of
>it, and Simon house one track. Also members from Magic Muscle and Edgar
>Broughton appear. I paid $16.99 for 2 CDs and it is mindbending. I
>cannot recommend this enough, especially if you like Bari Watts and Ric
>Gunther as well.

Yeah, it's good.  And it is both on Woronzow (UK) and also Rubric (US), so
you can get it fairly cheap over here.  I dunno about the new Bevis, but
other Woronzow stuff (like the Alchemysts new one) is also on Rubric, so
maybe that'll continue...hope so!

Scorch wondered...

>> the new Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover
>> of 'Echoes' (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best
>> album I've heard this week.
>> Andy Garibaldi.
>
>Tell Me More! And, because I'm feeling dain-bramaged at the moment,
>remind me where I can get their stuff? I've only got Creature...
>that I stumbled across in a local shop.

Viva is live from Quarkstock (I was there!) and despite a few bits of
extraneous noise (pops) on the source tape, the recording is pretty good.
And the performance is stellar.  They put it out themselves, so best to
email Paul or Greg (arcmet at yahoo.com I think) and get it direct.

Tracks are:
Overture 1369 (2:34)
Sur Le Tour (8:39)
The Maker (4:59)
For A Few Moments (4:40)
Echoes (22:44)
Kairos (13:41)

As far as Odysseum Galacti goes, I just ordered one from www.parasol.com for
a whopping $3.50.  You might want to check there to see if they have any
more copies at that price.

Grakkl (FAA)


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec  7 21:10:06 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:40:06 +1030
Subject: hw: Bedouin and Updates
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.124006.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> T-Shirt comp announcement soon

someone pass me a valium................

mb
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Rx <hw at CY-B.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: hw: Bedouin and Updates


> ++STAR WARRIORS
>
> UDATES AT MISSION CONTROL
> Bedouin date announced
> T-Shirt comp announcement soon
> www.hawkwind.org.uk
>
> ++MESSAGE ENDS
>


From novadrive at HOME.COM  Thu Dec  7 21:18:16 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:18:16 -0700
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <009c01c060af$b4be7d60$839abc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.191816.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I in fact like Yes 'Drama' a LOT; I'd have to substitute 'Big Generator' at
that end...
Adding: Journey's First Three Albums at one end, everything else (except
maybe 'Dream After Dream') firmly at the other.

Kevin Sommers

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:42 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


yes - 'Trilogy' at one end, 'Love Beach' at the other, but practically all
bands have this at some stage - Genesis 'Foxtrot' and 'Abacab', Yes -
'Relayer' and 'Drama',
Floyd 'Piper' and 'Wall' - so it goes on - any more anyone?????
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> >
> > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
> > actually
> >
> > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> >
> > sure.(both sides)
> >
> >  >>
> > =======
> > really?
> > worse than 'love beach'?
> > [ducking]
>
> Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad.
> ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L.
> Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of
> shite along with the stuff I like...
>
> theo


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec  7 21:32:40 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:02:40 +1030
Subject: HW tshirt competition
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.130240.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Ahhhhh

the winner will be announced Friday.... Schmeggg thats today - but its only 5am (approx) in London... 

Wake uppppppp!!!  8>)))

Just kidding - can't wait to find out who the lucky "mojo" is

owwwwww...!!!
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From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec  7 22:34:55 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:34:55 EST
Subject: OT: Rush (triple live)
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.223455.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes yes yes yes

cygnus x-1.......

LIVE!!!!!

awesome stuff
bobm
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From moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET  Thu Dec  7 22:55:03 2000
From: moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET (Bill Knispel)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:55:03 -0500
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.2000.225503.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'd also like to get in on it.  I've been in and out of the hospital
recently and must have missed the notice for it.  If anyone would like to do
a B&P or trade for the show, please let me know!



Bill

Enter the labyrinth:
http:\\members.xoom.com\Yyrkoon.1\home.htm  (Bill's homepage)
http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/Yyrkoon.1/bill's_roio.htm  (Bill's RoIO
trading page)
http:\\members.xoom.com\Morathi\home.htm  (Donna's homepage)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Young [mailto:blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Halloween 82 chain status?
>
>
> If this chain is indeed dead somewhere, possibly I can set up a trade with
> one of the early few people who managed to get this show.  I'd be grateful
> in anyone interested could email offlist.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marshall Wood <mwood at MY-DEJA.COM>
> To: BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu <BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:09 AM
> Subject: HW: Halloween 82 chain status?
>
>
> Anyone remember this chain?  Anyone know where it is now?  I think
> I was the last link, so I was just wondering if it got held up somewhere.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MWood
>
> NP:  Kansas - _Somewhere to Elsewhere_  (hey, this is pretty good!)
>
> >Date:         Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:33:53 -0500
> >From: Dan Witt <lwitt1 at USWEST.NET>
> >Subject: (O)      HW: Halloween 82 chain
> >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> >
> >The 10/31/1982 Bristol chain is ready to go.
> >
> >Disc I
> >
> >Choose Your Masques 7:07
> >Coded Languages 5:11
> >Magnu 5:02
> >Dust Of Time 3:57
> >Waiting For Tomorrow 6:14
> >Angels Of Death 6:49
> >Ghost Dance 4:53
> >Golden Void 3:12
> >Psychedelic Warlords 5:05
> >
> >47:34
> >
> >Disc II
> >
> >Psychedelic Warlord Jam 1:52
> >Creatures Of The Nite 4:59
> >Utopia 2:20
> >Arrival In Utopia 6:04
> >Solitary Mind Games 6:22
> >Sonic Attack 5:53
> >Dream Worker 5:34
> >Brainstorm 9:48
> >Ejection 4:46 (encore)
> >
> >47:42 total
> >
> >Sound quality is quite good.  Ejection fades out due to the master tape
> >running out, I'm not sure if they performed another encore that night.
> >Fabulous artwork by Kevin Sommers included for this show.
> >
> >Once again, send me a PRIVATE email to sign up for the the chain.  It'll
> >probably start off in about 5 days.
> >
> >dan
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> Before you buy.
>


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Fri Dec  8 01:40:22 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:40:22 -0500
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <bNmJ9UAUwCM6EwSm@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.014022.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 12:32 AM 12/8/00 +0000, Nick Medford wrote:
>In message <016001c06081$f8576a60$be1cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
>GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
>>hey!!!- this isn't going to be one of thsoe threads where we all announce
>>our least favourite Hawkwind tracks and the list gets bigger and bigger
>>until one among us, in true Monty Python style, actually declares he doesn't
>>actually like the band at all - thought not!!!
>
>Perish the thought!
>
>But just for the record :-)
>
>My least favourite HW tracks: Star Cannibal- truly awful lyrics

It's such a let-down after Nuclear Drive, innit?  ;

=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From mordru at FLITE.NET  Fri Dec  8 01:33:52 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:33:52 -0500
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <c9.b1c6785.27613ed9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.013352.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 02:28 PM 12/7/00 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>
><< B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually
>
>('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
>
>sure.(both sides)

I'd have to go for "the 11th second of forever".


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM  Fri Dec  8 03:38:53 2000
From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:38:53 -0700
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.013853.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> dunno - just a phenoemenal album for me, that's all - although I didn't hear
> the last live triple thing yet - any good anyone??

Oh my yesssirree! Phenomenal, in fact:) But then I'm a diehard! It covers the
Test for Echo tour, 2 discs, and the third is A farewell to Kings tour,
Hammersmith Odeon, although I'm tired enough to not go dig it out for the
date:):)
I was at the TFE Tour, and it was quite splendid:) 3 hours of Rush! Just my
idea of fun there:)
Pam


--
        Pam Wheaton                    Cliff  Wheaton
   _____/----^---\____       The greatest tool for  world peace
 </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o              "THE INTERNET"
     0             0         E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com
                URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  8 04:37:05 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:37:05 +0000
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001207103412.00833c60@flite.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.093705.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <3.0.6.32.20001207103412.00833c60 at flite.net>, Andrew Apold
<mordru at FLITE.NET> writes
>Hey, everyone has got to have their pet dislikes.  I was never all that
>fond of 'Brainstorm'.  About the only version of it I ever liked was the
>one on Live '79.  See?  And I can't stand 'Watching the Grass Grow'.


<look of frank astonishment>

.....

<speechless>
--
Jon


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  8 04:19:48 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:19:48 +0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
In-Reply-To: <018801c06082$94bb6d20$be1cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.091948.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <018801c06082$94bb6d20$be1cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW GARIBALDI
<andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
>rarely does one see such a fine example of backtracking so smoothly and so
>fast - don't care if they are Gong fans; the songs are still Garbage

This just isn't true, they're a great fun live act, with plenty of good
rock tunes, and they do a good cover of Condition off the Nuggets LP.

>(actually Garbage are better, but that's a whole other story)

ooh no, mate, not my cup of tea, (even if prepared by the Hubble Gubble
Tea Company Ov Tibet.)

--
Jon


From Kilgorechi at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 05:28:30 2000
From: Kilgorechi at AOL.COM (Carol Ann Kilgore)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 05:28:30 EST
Subject: HW Completism Silver Machine and ToTP clip
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.052830.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

scorch at TE-CATS.COM wrote:

"Here's one I'd like the answer to.
One of the items he had for sale once was a 7" single called "Oh my Fingers
They Do Ache", which apparently was a version of "British Tribal Music" but
with vocals.
Anybody know anything about this?
Also regarding HW film footage, remember the BBC Michael Moorcock program
which featured a clip of HW playing Silver Machine?  Can someone tell me if
that was the TOTP clip, or am I right in thinking the clip was a different
one featuring two drummers?
Captain Bl at ck."

Reply from Simon King:

it was a top of the pops video clip and had only one drummer....me....hehe.
and yes there was once a copy of British Tribal Music with vocals made while
we were all stewed to the gills, but i didnt know anyone still had a copy of
it....interesting....


From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK  Fri Dec  8 05:34:17 2000
From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:17 +0000
Subject: HW Zines/Mags
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.103417.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Does anybody have an 'archive' or the occasional odd copy of old
Hawkwind newsletter type publications that were published during the
1980's? I can't remember the name of the pamphlets but I believe that
one of these accepted and printed readers' letters (I suppose the
equivalent to a very slow listserver!).  I am trying to track down
any articles penned by Ian Sharp (aka Stumpy) of Rollesby, Norfolk
during that period

cheers

M at xine


From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK  Fri Dec  8 05:44:09 2000
From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:44:09 +0000
Subject: boc-l tape swap 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.104409.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Everybody should have sent their tapes off by now.  (ahem, I'll send mine
tomorrow :-)

If you haven't received a tape yet, then mail me at

bart at aeolians.bt.co.uk


Tim


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 06:28:30 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:28:30 EDT
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <3A301AD6.C02E6AA9@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.072830.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Attn. Brian:

If you're in Syracuse this weekend, Joe Bonamassa is playing at the
former Stylene's on Sat. night.  Just put a new CD out.  Should be a
helluva show...

theo


From paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec  8 07:24:45 2000
From: paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK (Paul Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:24:45 +0000
Subject: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <200012072031.PAA00668@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.122445.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Not me! Technical skill is the ONLY thing in music that has anything
even remotely to do with an objective point of view - everything else is
opinion and therefore equally valid/invalid.

[Spice Girls are the greatest ever pop band.....discuss!]

In message <200012072031.PAA00668 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
<tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
>On 7 Dec 00, at 14:34, Robert C. Mayo wrote:
>
>> well. ok, but defending rush's instrumental virtuosity is far from
>> defending them as a band of the same 'ilk'; same type/validity interms
>> of themes visited here almost everyday.  instrumental virtuosity by
>> itself amounts to squat as you'll all no doubt agree...?:)
>
>You betcha.  Else we'd all be listening to classical music, eh?
>
>theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 06:54:16 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:54:16 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <DLEBJJHMFHIFGMNBNGJPGEAFCCAA.novadrive@home.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.075416.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 7 Dec 00, at 19:18, Kevin Sommers wrote:

.. Adding: Journey's First Three Albums at one
> end, everything else (except maybe 'Dream After Dream') firmly at the
> other.

Right!  A lot of people don't realize that Journey started out as a
pretty good band.  I saw them open for BOC on tour supporting their
[Journey's] first album.  BOC was supporting OYF... Sandwiched
between Journey and BOC was...Pavlov's Dog. Hey, <>, ever hear
of these guys?

theo


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 08:29:16 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:29:16 EST
Subject: OT: Rush
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.082916.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/8/00 7:56:47 AM, paul-mitchell at KEECO-UK.DEMON.CO.UK
writes:

<< Not me! Technical skill is the ONLY thing in music that has anything
even remotely to do with an objective point of view - everything else is
opinion and therefore equally valid/invalid.
==
did i understand correctly?

technical skill equals/defines objectivity?

nah, i havent had enough coffee and i gotta go to work.

"<>"


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 08:32:01 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:32:01 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.083201.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/8/00 7:57:25 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< Pavlov's Dog. Hey, <>, ever hear
of these guys?
 >>
===
yes! ha! david surkamp! the guy who demonstrated to ol' geddy how to sing
high!

very, very, _very_ high!


"<>"


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 07:51:38 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:51:38 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <9b.dd8739a.27623cd1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.085138.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 8:32, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 12/8/00 7:57:25 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU
> writes:
>
> << Pavlov's Dog. Hey, <>, ever hear
> of these guys?
>  >>
> ===
> yes! ha! david surkamp! the guy who demonstrated to ol' geddy how to
> sing high!
>
> very, very, _very_ high!

Those guys took 'Space Cadet' to new levels.  One guy had this big
pipe that looked like something Sigmund Freud would have smoked.
Tried to smoke it whilst playing, kept going out.  The high-voiced
singer, some dude playing  a violin.  these guys were like Kansas but
even worse, if you can imagine!  Guitarist had one of those Valeno
[sp?] guitars, the one made from aluminum.  They were a trip.
Produced/managed by Pearlman/Krugman, I believe...

theo


From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK  Fri Dec  8 09:06:32 2000
From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:06:32 -0000
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.140632.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'd like to get in on this. I can burn CD-Rs, not had very good quality from
doing so in the past but I think I know how to fix this now.

Mark
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr Mark Jermy
Automotive, Combustion and Energy Engineering
School of Mechanical Engineering
Cranfield University
Cranfield, Beds, MK43 0AL, Great Britain
Tel +44 1234 754680 Fax +44 1234 750425


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Fri Dec  8 08:56:36 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:56:36 -0400
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <200012081228.HAA20305@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.095636.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

That's good news! He's playing in Rochester tonight, but I have the work
Christmas party I have to go to....

I saw Bonamassa open for Jethro Tull this past summer. Some heavy, rocking
numbers, and he's got a great voice too. I haven't seen the CD yet though. I
heard he's signed on Epic, which surprised me a little. I guess they're
trying to get in on the Johnny Lang trend.

Brian
obCD> Bloodline "Bloodline" (with Bonamassa, and the kids of some decent
music-type people)


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


> Attn. Brian:
>
> If you're in Syracuse this weekend, Joe Bonamassa is playing at the
> former Stylene's on Sat. night.  Just put a new CD out.  Should be a
> helluva show...
>
> theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 09:09:33 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:09:33 EDT
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <B65660D3.13A3%blackblade@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.100933.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 9:56, Brian Halligan wrote:

> That's good news! He's playing in Rochester tonight, but I have the
> work Christmas party I have to go to....
>
So, you going to tomorrow's gig?


> I saw Bonamassa open for Jethro Tull this past summer. Some heavy,
> rocking numbers, and he's got a great voice too. I haven't seen the CD
> yet though. I heard he's signed on Epic, which surprised me a little.
> I guess they're trying to get in on the Johnny Lang trend.
>

Well, Joe's now an old man of 23.  But he was great as a kid of 11!
As for Johnny Lang, well, he's not in the same universe as Joe,
guitar-playing wise...

theo


From Rocker22 at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 10:20:29 2000
From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:20:29 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.102029.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/08/2000 6:57:25 AM Central Standard Time,
tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:


> Sandwiched between Journey and BOC was...Pavlov's Dog. Hey, <>, ever hear of
>

Yeah, I liked Pavlov's Dog.   And the Dictators.  All were Pearlman/Krugman
groups.

Ric
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From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM  Fri Dec  8 10:26:09 2000
From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:26:09 -0800
Subject: Halloween 82 chain status?
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.072609.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK, I can add you to the end of the list.  It'll go to all
of the North American BOC-Lers first, then overseas to you.
Should I use the Cranfield University address for you?

MWood

>Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:06:32 -0000
>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>From: Mark Jermy <m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK>
>Subject:      Re: Halloween 82 chain status?
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>
>I'd like to get in on this. I can burn CD-Rs, not had very good quality from
>doing so in the past but I think I know how to fix this now.
>
>Mark
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dr Mark Jermy
>Automotive, Combustion and Energy Engineering
>School of Mechanical Engineering
>Cranfield University
>Cranfield, Beds, MK43 0AL, Great Britain
>Tel +44 1234 754680 Fax +44 1234 750425


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Before you buy.


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Fri Dec  8 09:29:28 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:29:28 -0400
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <200012081515.KAA22466@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.102928.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Theo wrote:
> On 8 Dec 00, at 9:56, Brian Halligan wrote:
>
>> That's good news! He's playing in Rochester tonight, but I have the
>> work Christmas party I have to go to....
>>
> So, you going to tomorrow's gig?

I'll try. I haven't hung out in Armory Square in a long time. Have you been
to that Irish pub on Franklin? Any good? And what happened to Styleen's?
What's it called now?

Brian
obCD> Little Georgie and the Shuffling Hungarians "Live at Styleen's Rhythm
Palace, Syracuse, NY"


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 09:45:26 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:45:26 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <c0.cc9e03e.2762563d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.104526.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 10:20, Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote:

> Yeah, I liked Pavlov's Dog.   And the Dictators.  All were
> Pearlman/Krugman groups.

Oh, the Dictators were/are great.  I guess they're back together, sort
of.  Saw them open for Kiss, of all people.  Dictators had just
released their great Manifest Destiny...

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec  8 09:49:26 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:49:26 EDT
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <B6566887.13A6%blackblade@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.104926.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 10:29, Brian Halligan wrote:

> Theo wrote:
> > On 8 Dec 00, at 9:56, Brian Halligan wrote:
> >
> >> That's good news! He's playing in Rochester tonight, but I have the
> >> work Christmas party I have to go to....
> >>
> > So, you going to tomorrow's gig?
>
> I'll try. I haven't hung out in Armory Square in a long time. Have you
> been to that Irish pub on Franklin? Any good? And what happened to
> Styleen's? What's it called now?
>
That's where Joe's playing!  It's called Armory High now.  Haven't
been to the joint you're talking about yet...

Hope you can make it.  Show starts at 10, admission is 8 bucks...

theo


From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU  Fri Dec  8 10:56:26 2000
From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:56:26 +0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.235626.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Me too. I also like DRAMA a lot. In fact, I think it's one of there best. I
even like Tormato.

I've heard that Union is dreadful, though?

William


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Sommers" <novadrive at HOME.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> I in fact like Yes 'Drama' a LOT; I'd have to substitute 'Big Generator'
at
> that end...
> Adding: Journey's First Three Albums at one end, everything else (except
> maybe 'Dream After Dream') firmly at the other.
>
> Kevin Sommers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:42 PM
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> yes - 'Trilogy' at one end, 'Love Beach' at the other, but practically all
> bands have this at some stage - Genesis 'Foxtrot' and 'Abacab', Yes -
> 'Relayer' and 'Drama',
> Floyd 'Piper' and 'Wall' - so it goes on - any more anyone?????
> Andy Garibaldi.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> > On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> > >
> > > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
> > > actually
> > >
> > > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> > >
> > > sure.(both sides)
> > >
> > >  >>
> > > =======
> > > really?
> > > worse than 'love beach'?
> > > [ducking]
> >
> > Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad.
> > ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L.
> > Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of
> > shite along with the stuff I like...
> >
> > theo
>


From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET  Fri Dec  8 15:00:48 2000
From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:00:48 -0500
Subject: OFF: Joe Bonamassa [no BOC/HW]
In-Reply-To: <200012081553.KAA02056@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.150048.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 10:49 12.8.00 EDT, you wrote:
>On 8 Dec 00, at 10:29, Brian Halligan wrote:
>
>> Theo wrote:
>> > On 8 Dec 00, at 9:56, Brian Halligan wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's good news! He's playing in Rochester tonight, but I have the
>> >> work Christmas party I have to go to....
>> >>
>> > So, you going to tomorrow's gig?
>>
>> I'll try. I haven't hung out in Armory Square in a long time. Have you
>> been to that Irish pub on Franklin? Any good? And what happened to
>> Styleen's? What's it called now?
>>
>That's where Joe's playing!  It's called Armory High now.  Haven't
>been to the joint you're talking about yet...
Kitty Hoynes has good food at mostly OK prices. 40 page paper hear I come..

BUT I did pick up the complte lond yrs singles Box set of the rolling
stones on cassette for a nicely small amount of $$$. Their version of I
wanna be your man smokes.
ASCDEMIC FUNTASTICOSITY
JAson


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 15:34:55 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:34:55 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.153455.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/8/00 10:21:52 AM, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes:

<<  And the Dictators.  All were Pearlman/Krugman
groups. >>
=====
um...i dont think so.

comments?

"<>"


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec  8 15:45:19 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:45:19 -0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.124519.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:34:55 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>In a message dated 12/8/00 10:21:52 AM, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes:
>
><<  And the Dictators.  All were Pearlman/Krugman
>groups. >>
>=====
>um...i dont think so.
>
>comments?

They shore wuz!  At least 'Go Girl Crazy' was produced by Sandy (and
Murray, too? I forget and don't have it in front of me), and it was mr.
Pearlman who got them signed to CBS (same label as BOC) in the first place.
 Don't forget that the Clash and the Dream Syndicate also had
Pearlman-produced albums ...

        -Doug (who put the latest Dictators single on his 2000 boc-l swap tape)
         ceres at sirius.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec  8 14:36:32 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:36:32 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.193632.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

How about a poll of the most disappointing albums by bands who should know
better?

I'll put Barclay James Harvest's Turn of the Tide in there for a start.

Captain Bl at ck

----- Original Message -----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> christ - even Eminem's better than 'Love Beach' and he's sub-Celine
Dion!!!
> Love Beach - one of the greatest 'albums that sucked' of all time.
> Andy Garibaldi.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DASLUD at AOL.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> >
> > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single actually
> >
> > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> >
> > sure.(both sides)
> >
> >  >>
> > =======
> > really?
> > worse than 'love beach'?
> > [ducking]
> >
> > "<>"


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec  8 16:23:13 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:23:13 -0000
Subject: God Awful YES stuff
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.212313.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I Thought it was Onion.

Caotain Bl at ck

----- Original Message -----
From: William Duffy <xl5 at IINET.NET.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> Me too. I also like DRAMA a lot. In fact, I think it's one of there best.
I
> even like Tormato.
>
> I've heard that Union is dreadful, though?
>
> William
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Sommers" <novadrive at HOME.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> > I in fact like Yes 'Drama' a LOT; I'd have to substitute 'Big Generator'
> at
> > that end...
> > Adding: Journey's First Three Albums at one end, everything else (except
> > maybe 'Dream After Dream') firmly at the other.
> >
> > Kevin Sommers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> > Behalf Of ANDREW GARIBALDI
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:42 PM
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> > Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
> >
> >
> > yes - 'Trilogy' at one end, 'Love Beach' at the other, but practically
all
> > bands have this at some stage - Genesis 'Foxtrot' and 'Abacab', Yes -
> > 'Relayer' and 'Drama',
> > Floyd 'Piper' and 'Wall' - so it goes on - any more anyone?????
> > Andy Garibaldi.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
> >
> >
> > > On 7 Dec 00, at 14:28, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM
writes:
> > > >
> > > > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
> > > > actually
> > > >
> > > > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> > > >
> > > > sure.(both sides)
> > > >
> > > >  >>
> > > > =======
> > > > really?
> > > > worse than 'love beach'?
> > > > [ducking]
> > >
> > > Well, technically, 'Love Beach' is ELP, but equally bad.
> > > ELP seems to be the 'Rush' equivalent for the rest of BOC-L.
> > > Naturally, I like ELP, but fully acknowledge they produced lots of
> > > shite along with the stuff I like...
> > >
> > > theo
> >


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 16:40:54 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:40:54 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.164054.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/8/00 3:55:38 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes:

<< Pearlman who got them signed to CBS (same label as BOC) in the first place.
 Don't forget that the Clash and the Dream Syndicate also had
Pearlman-produced albums ...
 >>
=====
which isnt to say that the attempted "rockin' americanization" of the clash
did them any favors....

and why wasnt that drum f*ckup near the end of 'days of wine and roses'
allowed to remain, w/o doing another take? that annoyed the heck outta me.

funfax:
'dictators go girl crazy' was one of the worst-selling lp's in that
conglomerate's history.

ah, what did they know in '75, anyway. hmph.

"<>"


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec  8 17:31:59 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:31:59 -0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.143159.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:40:54 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>In a message dated 12/8/00 3:55:38 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes:
><< Don't forget that the Clash and the Dream Syndicate also had
>Pearlman-produced albums ...
> >>
>=====
>which isnt to say that the attempted "rockin' americanization" of the clash
>did them any favors....

It sure put "question marks" over a LOT of peoples' heads ... of course,
their SECOND attempt at "rockin' americanization" was the one that did them
all the financial favors (jeans commercials, etc.).  And for that matter,
on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:36:32 -0000, starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM> wrote:
>How about a poll of the most disappointing albums by bands who should know
>better?

'Combat Rock'!  (vs. first album & 'London Calling')

FWIW I actually like 'Give 'em enough Rope' quite a bit ... enough good
songs, and the guitar sound is undeniably MASSIVE.

... and back to DASLUD Larry ...
>and why wasnt that drum f*ckup near the end of 'days of wine and roses'
>allowed to remain, w/o doing another take? that annoyed the heck outta me.

I never noticed that!  (But I'm not a drummer.)  It's a fantastic take,
otherwise, though.  That's always a number-one producer crisis - what to do
when a brilliant take has one major noticeable fuckup ... "punching in"
drum retakes can be near-impossible (compared to doing so with
guitar/bass/keyboard/etc.).  I think (don't have the LP in front of me)
that you'd have to blame Chris Desjarins for that one (and if so, he more
than redeemed himself with the first four Flesheaters LP's), though.  Their
second LP, 'The Medicine Show', was the SP-produced one.

>funfax:
>'dictators go girl crazy' was one of the worst-selling lp's in that
>conglomerate's history.

... allegedly the absolute worst-selling music album from the pre-Sony
CBS/Columbia/Epic/etc. conglomerate was the Hampton Grease Band's 'Music To
Eat' (second-worst seller overall, behind a spoken-word/poetry/nature
sounds/comedy or something along those lines album).

>ah, what did they know in '75, anyway. hmph.

Indeed!  But now both albums ('Tators, 'Grease Band) have been reissued on
CD by Sony.  Nice to see the good stuff vindicated by History every once in
a while ...

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 14:25:44 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:25:44 -0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.192544.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

sorry - I meant backtracking in a humorous way not a serious way - no
offence caused I hope.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover


> In message <018801c06082$94bb6d20$be1cbc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
> GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
> >rarely does one see such a fine example of backtracking so smoothly and
so
> >fast - don't care if they are Gong fans; the songs are still Garbage
> >(actually Garbage are better, but that's a whole other story)
> >Andy Garibaldi.
>
> Backtracking?! No, m'lud, I still think they're pretty dull, I was just
finding a
> nicer way to say it.
>
> As they are fellow Gong fans, let's just say they're not my cuppa tea :-)
>
> Do they REALLY like Gong anyway or is that just a mischievous bit of
> disinformation?
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
> >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover
> >
> >
> >> In message <JYBCOAAT45L6EwYz at comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne
> >> <jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
> >> >In article <200012061753.MAA06528 at listserv.spc.edu>, Nick Medford
> >> ><nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
> >> >>In general though, Supergrass - too bloomin' young'n'chirpy for my
> >liking.
> >> >
> >> >They said that 3 tracks off the second album were swipes of "Oily Way"
> >> >by Gong. Big Gong fans, they are.
> >>
> >> Really?? Well that changes everything. Let me rephrase my earlier
> >> comments:  Supergrass- fine young men of impeccable good taste and
> >> unimpeachable character, if a little lacking in originality. Allegedly.
> >> --
> >> Nick Medford
>
> --
> Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 14:22:49 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:22:49 -0000
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.192249.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

several points - unusual story I hear re the Delerium guys but not for me to
comment - there are usually pretty good reasons as to why a label like this
takes such time.
For my part as Dead Earnest label owner, if I want to do a CD with someone I
will tell them, but if I'm not ready to do it right now, then I tell the
band to try others and if, when I'm ready, they still haven't got a deal,
then we can do it - fair to me - fair to the band.
Actually I didn't know Darxtar had recorded a new album at all so if they're
listening and the Delerium ink isn't dry then I'd like a shot at hearing it.
As to new Arch Met CD, it's fantastic and, for UK/Euro customers, will be
available from CD Services if only they'd (Arch Met that is) reply to my
e.mail.
More to follow, no doubt.......
Andy Garibaldi.

----- Original Message -----
From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:27 AM
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar


> Chris asked...
>
> >Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
> >that was to come out?
>
> I seem to remember some discussion about this in Brixton.  I think the
word
> was - The Commander had given the final mixdown to Delerium long ago, and
> he's now sick and tired of asking when it will be released, so they're
just
> going to sit on it until they get their ass in gear and put it out.
Correct
> me if I'm wrong.
> I'm pretty sure that otherwise the band was pretty much on indefinite
> hiatus.  Sad to see them treated so badly...they deserve better!  And
> Delerium has zero presence in the US anymore, so hard to make a global
> impact with any new release.
>
> >Also to be sort of on topic: I heard briefly mentioned here a few weeks
> >ago the Acid Jam II by Bevis Frond members. Adrian Shaw plays on most of
> >it, and Simon house one track. Also members from Magic Muscle and Edgar
> >Broughton appear. I paid $16.99 for 2 CDs and it is mindbending. I
> >cannot recommend this enough, especially if you like Bari Watts and Ric
> >Gunther as well.
>
> Yeah, it's good.  And it is both on Woronzow (UK) and also Rubric (US), so
> you can get it fairly cheap over here.  I dunno about the new Bevis, but
> other Woronzow stuff (like the Alchemysts new one) is also on Rubric, so
> maybe that'll continue...hope so!
>
> Scorch wondered...
>
> >> the new Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover
> >> of 'Echoes' (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best
> >> album I've heard this week.
> >> Andy Garibaldi.
> >
> >Tell Me More! And, because I'm feeling dain-bramaged at the moment,
> >remind me where I can get their stuff? I've only got Creature...
> >that I stumbled across in a local shop.
>
> Viva is live from Quarkstock (I was there!) and despite a few bits of
> extraneous noise (pops) on the source tape, the recording is pretty good.
> And the performance is stellar.  They put it out themselves, so best to
> email Paul or Greg (arcmet at yahoo.com I think) and get it direct.
>
> Tracks are:
> Overture 1369 (2:34)
> Sur Le Tour (8:39)
> The Maker (4:59)
> For A Few Moments (4:40)
> Echoes (22:44)
> Kairos (13:41)
>
> As far as Odysseum Galacti goes, I just ordered one from www.parasol.com
for
> a whopping $3.50.  You might want to check there to see if they have any
> more copies at that price.
>
> Grakkl (FAA)


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 14:30:15 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:30:15 -0000
Subject: Klassic Kovers
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.193015.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yeh - Hawkwind doing Bowie's 'Heroes' album and BOC doing Metallica's
'Black' album
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mather" <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:01 AM
Subject: Klassic Kovers


> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
> => and move onto soemthing else - like just how amazing is the new
> => Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover of
'Echoes'
> => (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best album I've
heard
> => this week.
>
> Pink Floyd covers seem de rigeur nowadays.  Col. Les Claypool's Fearless
> Flying Frog Brigade have been covering the entire _Animals_ album from
> start to finish in their second set quite often these days, as well as
> other Floyd numbers like "Shine On You Crazy Diamond."  This Halloween,
> moe. covered the entire _Dark Side of the Moon_ album during their first
> set.
>
> Some "jambands" have covered entire classic albums as a special occasion
> during their Halloween show.  That got me to thinking: what "classic"
> album would Hawkwind or BOC cover for a Halloween show?  It would have
> to be something for which they felt an affinity; kind of like something
> that expressed their "roots."
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
> NP: Bevis Frond, Kaue, Gelsenkirchen, Germany, 1999-4-13
>
> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
>
> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
>  deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
>         --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 19:27:38 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:27:38 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.002738.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'll put in the entire BJH catalogue, actually.
Andy Garibaldi  (not being at all fair to the band, but - hey - you can't
like everything!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "starfield" <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> How about a poll of the most disappointing albums by bands who should know
> better?
>
> I'll put Barclay James Harvest's Turn of the Tide in there for a start.
>
> Captain Bl at ck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> > christ - even Eminem's better than 'Love Beach' and he's sub-Celine
> Dion!!!
> > Love Beach - one of the greatest 'albums that sucked' of all time.
> > Andy Garibaldi.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <DASLUD at AOL.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
> >
> >
> > > In a message dated 12/7/00 2:01:24 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> > >
> > > << B-side of Greg Lake's 'I Believe in Father Christmas' single
actually
> > >
> > > ('Humbug' that is), contender for worst single of all time slot, for
> > >
> > > sure.(both sides)
> > >
> > >  >>
> > > =======
> > > really?
> > > worse than 'love beach'?
> > > [ducking]
> > >
> > > "<>"


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 19:28:46 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:28:46 -0000
Subject: God Awful YES stuff
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.002846.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

certainly made me cry, that's for sure!!!
Andy G'b.
----- Original Message -----
From: "starfield" <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: God Awful YES stuff


> I Thought it was Onion.
>
> Caotain Bl at ck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Duffy <xl5 at IINET.NET.AU>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF : Smile
>
>
> > Me too. I also like DRAMA a lot. In fact, I think it's one of there
best.
> I
> > even like Tormato.
> >
> > I've heard that Union is dreadful, though?
> >
> > William
> >


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec  8 19:37:43 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:37:43 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.003743.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - but where is the CD of 'Manifest destiny' - "Science Gone To Far" -
just awesome!!!! Come on Sony group - get the sucker out.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:40:54 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
> >In a message dated 12/8/00 3:55:38 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes:
> ><< Don't forget that the Clash and the Dream Syndicate also had
> >Pearlman-produced albums ...
> > >>
> >=====
> >which isnt to say that the attempted "rockin' americanization" of the
clash
> >did them any favors....
>
> It sure put "question marks" over a LOT of peoples' heads ... of course,
> their SECOND attempt at "rockin' americanization" was the one that did
them
> all the financial favors (jeans commercials, etc.).  And for that matter,
> on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:36:32 -0000, starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
wrote:
> >How about a poll of the most disappointing albums by bands who should
know
> >better?
>
> 'Combat Rock'!  (vs. first album & 'London Calling')
>
> FWIW I actually like 'Give 'em enough Rope' quite a bit ... enough good
> songs, and the guitar sound is undeniably MASSIVE.
>
> ... and back to DASLUD Larry ...
> >and why wasnt that drum f*ckup near the end of 'days of wine and roses'
> >allowed to remain, w/o doing another take? that annoyed the heck outta
me.
>
> I never noticed that!  (But I'm not a drummer.)  It's a fantastic take,
> otherwise, though.  That's always a number-one producer crisis - what to
do
> when a brilliant take has one major noticeable fuckup ... "punching in"
> drum retakes can be near-impossible (compared to doing so with
> guitar/bass/keyboard/etc.).  I think (don't have the LP in front of me)
> that you'd have to blame Chris Desjarins for that one (and if so, he more
> than redeemed himself with the first four Flesheaters LP's), though.
Their
> second LP, 'The Medicine Show', was the SP-produced one.
>
> >funfax:
> >'dictators go girl crazy' was one of the worst-selling lp's in that
> >conglomerate's history.
>
> ... allegedly the absolute worst-selling music album from the pre-Sony
> CBS/Columbia/Epic/etc. conglomerate was the Hampton Grease Band's 'Music
To
> Eat' (second-worst seller overall, behind a spoken-word/poetry/nature
> sounds/comedy or something along those lines album).
>
> >ah, what did they know in '75, anyway. hmph.
>
> Indeed!  But now both albums ('Tators, 'Grease Band) have been reissued on
> CD by Sony.  Nice to see the good stuff vindicated by History every once
in
> a while ...
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec  8 19:30:17 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:30:17 EST
Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/2/00
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.2000.193017.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

12/2/00 (5-8pmPST...you never know just how long it'll be...)

1.Circle--"Vesitorni/Kaupunginsairaala" (Pori)
2.Sloterdijk--"Fred Goldman's Mustache" (Integration)
3.Salamander--"Old Mr. Jones" (Serotonin Ronin II comp)
4.Hawkwind--"You'd Better Believe It" (Hall of the Mountain Grill)

5.Avey Tare and Panda Bear--"Spirit They've Vanished"/"April and the Phantom"
(Spirit They're Gone Spirit They've Vanished)
6.Silver Apples--"Velvet Cave" (Silver Apples LP, Silver Apples MCA comp)
7.Pressurehed--"Silver Bird/Mastadon" (Space Daze comp)
8.Silver Apples--"Whirly-Bird" (Silver Apples)

9.Helios Creed--"Big Clown" (Boxing the Clown)
10.Chrome--"Creature Eternal" (Half Machine Lip Moves, Chrome Box)
11.   "       --"ST 37" (Alien Soundtracks)
12.ST 37--"Fight Machine" (Spaceage)
13.Skye Klad--"Debutante" (sampler from forth-coming album)
14.Holy River Family Band--"Green Corn Dance" (Haida Deites)

15.Alan Davey--"Sci-fi Delic" (Chaos Delight)
16.F/i--"Threshold" (Blue Star)
17.Malcolm Mooney and the Tenth Planet--"The Eagle Has Landed" (Malcolm
Mooney and the Tenth Planet, Spirits Burning "New Worlds By Design")
18.Thirteenth Floor Elevators--"I've Got Levitation" (Elevators Live)

19.Fripp and Eno--"The Heavenly Music Corporation" (No Pussyfooting)
20.Sub Oslo--"Mi Familia Re-Dub" (Dubs in the Key of Life)
21.Frank Zappa--"Bolero" (The Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life)
22.Charalambides--"One Song" (Serotonin Ronin II comp)
23.Six Organs of Admittance--"Hermitage Song" (Serotonin Ronin II comp)

24.Amon Duul II--"Eye-Shaking King" (Yeti)
25.Hawkwind--"Paranoia/Seeing it as You Really Are" (Text of Festival, etc.)

thanks, Chuck

"SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm (somtimes later) PST
on 88.3fm KUCR.
TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html
For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing
list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Sat Dec  9 00:47:22 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:47:22 EST
Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.004722.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

earlier this week, my lady of spain had to do a report in N. Tesla, so i
hopped on my trusty macintosh SHERLOCK, and got five links for her [well, 6,
but can anyone here read yugoslavian?]
she's done with 'em now, and rather than just delete 'em, i thought i'd pass
'em on.

what tesla accomplished, and how he was completely fukt over, isnt completely
alien to hawkfolk, so....


<A HREF="http://tesla.desy.de/">Tesla home page</A>


<A HREF="http://www.yurope.com/org/tesla">Tesla Museum</A>


<A HREF="http://www.ttr.com/">Tesla Technology Research</A>


<A HREF="http://www.t0.or.at/tesla/teslatli.htm">Tesla -- The Lost Inventions
</A>


<A HREF="http://www.concentric.net/~Jwwagner/">Erased at Smithsonian?</A>


"<>"


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sat Dec  9 01:58:42 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:58:42 -0600
Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
In-Reply-To: <c5.be114e9.2763216a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.005842.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

:Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
:
:earlier this week, my lady of spain had to do a report in N. Tesla, so i
:hopped on my trusty macintosh SHERLOCK, and got five links for her [well, 6,
:but can anyone here read yugoslavian?]
:she's done with 'em now, and rather than just delete 'em, i thought i'd pass
:'em on.
:
:what tesla accomplished, and how he was completely fukt over, isnt completely
:alien to hawkfolk, so....
:
:<A HREF="http://tesla.desy.de/">Tesla home page</A>
:<A HREF="http://www.yurope.com/org/tesla">Tesla Museum</A>
:<A HREF="http://www.ttr.com/">Tesla Technology Research</A>
:<A HREF="http://www.t0.or.at/tesla/teslatli.htm">Tesla -- The Lost Inventions
:</A>
:<A HREF="http://www.concentric.net/~Jwwagner/">Erased at Smithsonian?</A>

...and in fun science fiction/horror notes, F. Paul Wilson has a decent
Repairman Jack novel out (Conspiracies) about Tesla's work on broadcast
power...

Arin
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From novadrive at HOME.COM  Sat Dec  9 03:19:22 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:19:22 -0700
Subject: HW: The Hawkwind Remix Project
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.011922.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I just listened to 'The Hawkwind Remix Project' again, and was surprised:
the version of "Earth Calling" on it was (at least very nearly) identical to
the same song on 'BrockSpace.'  Anyone?

Kevin Sommers


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Sat Dec  9 09:51:46 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:51:46 -0500
Subject: HW: More completism
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.095146.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

just to throw a spanner in the works..

rooting through the collection i found an interesting CD
"Nuclear Waste" by Sting and The Radioactors....
The lineup is wayy interesting on 3 tracks...

Vocals : Sting
Lead Guitar : Steve hillage  - (why i bought it)
Sax & Backing vocals: Nik Turner

and guess what... it's a voiceprint cd (BP181CD)


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sat Dec  9 10:00:05 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:00:05 +0000
Subject: HW: More completism
In-Reply-To: <200012091451.JAA22604@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.150005.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <200012091451.JAA22604 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx <hw at CY-
B.ORG> writes
>just to throw a spanner in the works..
>
>rooting through the collection i found an interesting CD
>"Nuclear Waste" by Sting and The Radioactors....
>The lineup is wayy interesting on 3 tracks...
>
>Vocals : Sting
>Lead Guitar : Steve hillage  - (why i bought it)
>Sax & Backing vocals: Nik Turner
>
>and guess what... it's a voiceprint cd (BP181CD)

Wasn't Gong bassist Mike Howlett also involved? The band was actually the
genesis of the Police, of course all the psychedelic warriors had left by then.

--
Nick Medford


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec  9 09:58:48 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:58:48 -0000
Subject: HW: London hotels
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.145848.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've been web browsing:
Is it worthwhile getting in touch with a group such as the
following?   Has anyone used a Reservations search company before?
Any recommendations?  It also occurs to me that because 29 December
is in vacation there might be some University Halls of Residence
accommodation available
**************************
>  First Option Hotel Reservations
>
> First Option Hotel Reservations Ltd, 5-11 Lavington Street,
London, SE1 ON7
> Tel: (020) 7945 6030
> Fax: (020) 7945 6016
>
> One of the UK's leading hotel booking and venue search agencies.
First Option combines expert
> knowledge with the best rates available and the widest choice
ranging from five star luxury hotels to
> same night budget accommodation.

http://www.hotelworld.com/index.html
***************************************

And then browsing through the list of hotels on offer I found the
following.    Sounds interesting - and it's got conference
facilities.     Comments anyone?!
jill
***************************************
http://www.hotelworld.com/search/retrieve.fcgi?n=s10255
 The Generator

The Generator
Macnaughten House
Compton Place, Off 37 Tavistock Plc
London
United Kingdom
WC1H 9SD

The Generator offers a unique holiday experience at excellent value.
Its rooms are themed along futuristic lines with hard-edge
decoration, innovative lighting, unique furniture and lots of
graphics and posters. This truly is budget accommodation with a
difference.

 The Turbine
The Turbine is a vast area where guests have their breakfast and
relax during the day. It is brightly furnished and decorated with
colourful graphics and murals. It also contains 3 stereophonic
televisions with satellite channels.

The Generator
An amazing futuristic metal-fitted bar/eating area. With its sharp
d?cor and great music, it is the perfect setting for a great evening
. Additional facilities consis of a games room equipped with pool
tables and up-to-the-minute video games. There is also a conference
room that can hold up to sixty delegates 'theatre style'.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
------------

General | Facilities | Leisure | Location
General Information
The Generator
Macnaughten House
Compton Place, Off 37 Tavistock Plc
London
United Kingdom
WC1H 9SD

Tel No: (020) 7388 7666
Fax No: (020) 7388 7644
E-mail: generator at lhdr.demon.co.uk


Year Built: 1995
Number of Rooms: 217 (7 floors)
Single Room Prices From: 38 British Pounds (other currencies)
Credit/Debit Cards: Mastercard, Solo, Switch, Visa

The Generator is a member of Abbey Hotels Plc.

Earliest Check-In time 14:00 hrs. Latest Check-Out time 10:00 hrs.


Hotel Facilities
Air Conditioning (in public areas only)
Bar (open 18:00-2am)
Business Facilities (photocopier and fax machines)
Car Parking (nearby)
Children's Facilities
Conference Facilities
Disabled Facilities
Doctor on Call
Elevator/Lift
Safe at Reception

Leisure Facilities
Casino (nearby)
Games Room (pool tables and games machines)

Location Information
Location Type: City-Town Centre, Theatre District
Nearby Towns: Holborn 1 mile, Finsbury 1 mile, Soho 1 mile
Places of Interest: Madame Tussauds 1 mile, West End 1.5 miles,
Regents Park 1.5 miles, The British Museum 0.25 miles, Hyde Park 2
miles

How to Get There
Airports: Heathrow 15 miles, Gatwick 30 miles
Railway Station: Kings Cross 0.33 miles
Nearest Underground: Russell Square 0.25 miles
Bus-Coach Station: Victoria 5 miles
Motorway: A1 6 miles
Main Road: A400 1 mile


Follow the A1, towards London through to The Archway Tavern and take
the A400. From here follow the A400 through to Euston Road where you
need to turn left. Continue along this road and then turn right at
Woburn Place. Take the next left and then left again and The
Generator is straight ahead.


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec  9 10:21:48 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:21:48 -0000
Subject: HW: Completism
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.152148.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I picked up a budget priced Stranglers Live CD recorded when Hugh was in the jug in 80. Special guests: Nik Turner, Steve Hillage, Peter Hammill, Robert Fripp (?) and others - a curio if nothing else.

Dave
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From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec  9 11:59:20 2000
From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:59:20 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.165920.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Some of the Hawkwind rooms will be double or twins.
Peter the artist also would like a double room

Has anyone approached the hotels yet?


----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> Latest counts for hotel rooms:
>
>         --------- Rooms ------
>                 Will
> People  Single  Share   Double  Name
> 2                       1       Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
> 2                       1       merrick and Julie french
> 1               y       0.5     Mike Holmes
> 1               y       0.5     Arin Komins
> 1       1                       Rich Warren
> 1       1       n               Eric Siegerman
> 1               y       0.5     Mark Licht
> 1               y       0.5     Robert Jacobs
> 1       1                       Michael Blackman
> 2                       1       Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> 10      10                      Hawkwind
>         1       n               Jill Strobridge
>                 y       0.5     Andreas Stuewe
>                 y       0.5     Bernhard Pospiech
>         1                       Richard Cutting
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 23      15              6       Totals
>
> ie. 21 rooms.  ("0.5 of a double" is my way of tallying people
> who are willing to share a room but not a bed :-)
>
> --
>
> |  | /\
> |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> |  |  /
> Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> fired for relying on Microsoft.
>         - Chris Garrigues
>


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sat Dec  9 12:00:00 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:00:00 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <O9xMBJALiCM6EwTU@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.170000.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:

> >        Nick, any more details about this cassette? As may have become
> >apparent, I'm the owner of an attempt to keep track of Hawkwind members
> >guest spots and so forth and I've no idea what or when this would be. Any
> >help appreciated, yours,
> >                         Jon
>
>
> The cassette was "Treatment Live At Stonehenge '81/'82", sadly I don't
> possess a copy of this wondrous artefact so can't give you details of specific
> tracks.

        Cheers NIkc, that's got it. What a busy lad our Nik was in 1982.

> Have a look at
>
> http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakbea/archive/intview/treatmen.html
>
> for more on the band and a bit about their friendship with Nik. You may be
> able to contact someone with more info through the site.

        Contacting anyone through Delerium seems a little unlikely these
days, but thanks for the URL. Gawd Richard Allen can be impenetrable when
he's writing about a band he really likes can't he? Names and numbers all
over tha pleace and scarce a word in between. Got what I was after
anyway. Cheers again, yours,
                             Jon

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From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Sat Dec  9 12:15:56 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:15:56 -0000
Subject: wierd cd's surprise
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.171556.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

pop into MR CD opposite Selatadisc on Berwick Street, London to get a
pleasant surprise!!! :-)

colm


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sat Dec  9 12:40:37 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:40:37 -0600
Subject: HW: London hotels
In-Reply-To: <005501c061f0$89e97e40$c4ce883e@jds>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.114037.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Jill Strobridge wrote:

:Subject: HW: London hotels
:
:I've been web browsing:
:Is it worthwhile getting in touch with a group such as the
:following?   Has anyone used a Reservations search company before?
:Any recommendations?  It also occurs to me that because 29 December
:is in vacation there might be some University Halls of Residence
:accommodation available

:***************************************
:
:And then browsing through the list of hotels on offer I found the
:following.    Sounds interesting - and it's got conference
:facilities.     Comments anyone?!
:jill
:***************************************
:http://www.hotelworld.com/search/retrieve.fcgi?n=s10255
: The Generator
:
:The Generator
:Macnaughten House
:Compton Place, Off 37 Tavistock Plc
:London
:United Kingdom
:WC1H 9SD
:

[snip generator description]

(...and now, more generator description)

>From the TimeOut Guide to London:

"Rooms and dorms at this former police barracks have taken on a prison
cell theme right down to the bunk beds.  Neon-lit, industrial style
communal areas include a huge games room, a self-service canteen, and an
Internet access room.  Guests can mingle in the lively downstairs bar
(open until 2am).  Ideal for backpackers, student groups and the more
adventurous."

website www.the-generator.co.uk

I'm not sure that I'm up for bunk beds.....

Arin
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From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Sat Dec  9 12:44:18 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:44:18 -0000
Subject: atomhenge
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.174418.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

when is this coming out on cd?


colm


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sat Dec  9 13:11:25 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:11:25 +0000
Subject: atomhenge
In-Reply-To: <016f01c06207$d90747c0$d364883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.181125.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, bedroom trancer wrote:

> when is this coming out on cd?

        Unless you mean something different than I do, it's out already,
on Voiceprint, and has been reviewed once or twice on-list indeed. HTH,
yours,
        Jon

ObCD: Hawkwind - _Hawkwind_

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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sat Dec  9 13:17:09 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:17:09 +0000
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
In-Reply-To: <009f01c06176$89189a20$549abc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.181709.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> several points - unusual story I hear re the Delerium guys but not for me to
> comment - there are usually pretty good reasons as to why a label like this
> takes such time.
> For my part as Dead Earnest label owner, if I want to do a CD with someone I
> will tell them, but if I'm not ready to do it right now, then I tell the
> band to try others and if, when I'm ready, they still haven't got a deal,
> then we can do it - fair to me - fair to the band.
> Actually I didn't know Darxtar had recorded a new album at all so if they're
> listening and the Delerium ink isn't dry then I'd like a shot at hearing it.

        Wouldn't we all! But from what I hear the tapes are with Delerium
and the release deal signed, it's just that Delerium isn't doing anything
at all any more as far as anyone can tell. Though their web-page was in
part updated last month to show some new Porcupine Tree dates, and they
had new product available (by two bands no-one's ever heard of) last
year. But since then, nada, and they don't answer e-mails anymore. I must
ask Ken at the Freak Emporium when next I see him.

        As far as I know no current members of Darxtar are on this list
though Captain Juba is sometimes seen here. I do have an e-mail address
fro the Commander if you want it, Andy, but I've no proof it works or that
he ever checks it if it does. Yours,
                                     Jon


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:27 AM
> Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
>
> > Chris asked...
> >
> > >Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
> > >that was to come out?
> >
> > I seem to remember some discussion about this in Brixton.  I think the
> word
> > was - The Commander had given the final mixdown to Delerium long ago, and
> > he's now sick and tired of asking when it will be released, so they're
> just
> > going to sit on it until they get their ass in gear and put it out.
> Correct
> > me if I'm wrong.
> > I'm pretty sure that otherwise the band was pretty much on indefinite
> > hiatus.  Sad to see them treated so badly...they deserve better!  And
> > Delerium has zero presence in the US anymore, so hard to make a global
> > impact with any new release.
> >
> > >Also to be sort of on topic: I heard briefly mentioned here a few weeks
> > >ago the Acid Jam II by Bevis Frond members. Adrian Shaw plays on most of
> > >it, and Simon house one track. Also members from Magic Muscle and Edgar
> > >Broughton appear. I paid $16.99 for 2 CDs and it is mindbending. I
> > >cannot recommend this enough, especially if you like Bari Watts and Ric
> > >Gunther as well.
> >
> > Yeah, it's good.  And it is both on Woronzow (UK) and also Rubric (US), so
> > you can get it fairly cheap over here.  I dunno about the new Bevis, but
> > other Woronzow stuff (like the Alchemysts new one) is also on Rubric, so
> > maybe that'll continue...hope so!
> >
> > Scorch wondered...
> >
> > >> the new Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute cover
> > >> of 'Echoes' (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track - best
> > >> album I've heard this week.
> > >> Andy Garibaldi.
> > >
> > >Tell Me More! And, because I'm feeling dain-bramaged at the moment,
> > >remind me where I can get their stuff? I've only got Creature...
> > >that I stumbled across in a local shop.
> >
> > Viva is live from Quarkstock (I was there!) and despite a few bits of
> > extraneous noise (pops) on the source tape, the recording is pretty good.
> > And the performance is stellar.  They put it out themselves, so best to
> > email Paul or Greg (arcmet at yahoo.com I think) and get it direct.
> >
> > Tracks are:
> > Overture 1369 (2:34)
> > Sur Le Tour (8:39)
> > The Maker (4:59)
> > For A Few Moments (4:40)
> > Echoes (22:44)
> > Kairos (13:41)
> >
> > As far as Odysseum Galacti goes, I just ordered one from www.parasol.com
> for
> > a whopping $3.50.  You might want to check there to see if they have any
> > more copies at that price.
> >
> > Grakkl (FAA)
>

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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sat Dec  9 13:21:10 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:21:10 +0000
Subject: HW: More completism
In-Reply-To: <N7OswCA1jkM6EwSn@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.182110.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:

> In message <200012091451.JAA22604 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx <hw at CY-
> B.ORG> writes
> >just to throw a spanner in the works..
> >
> >rooting through the collection i found an interesting CD
> >"Nuclear Waste" by Sting and The Radioactors....
> >The lineup is wayy interesting on 3 tracks...
> >
> >Vocals : Sting
> >Lead Guitar : Steve hillage  - (why i bought it)
> >Sax & Backing vocals: Nik Turner
> >
> >and guess what... it's a voiceprint cd (BP181CD)
>
> Wasn't Gong bassist Mike Howlett also involved? The band was actually the
> genesis of the Police, of course all the psychedelic warriors had left by then.

        Shockingly I didn't actually know the name Mike Howlett when I
last saw a copy of this (it may still be there for all I know), so I don't
rememebr it being there, but I know that the chief mover and shaker on
this project was Hari Williamson, who brought Nik with him from Sphynx
which is why he's one there; Steve Hillage likewise. I believe Miquette
Giraudy is also on it somewhere. I have a nagging feeling that it may also
have an ex-Hawk drumming but I'm not sure which one. Either Alan Powell or
Andy Anderson I suppose given that they were in Sphynx, but they'd both
gone by the time Sphynx got on the road so perhaps I'm just raving.

        This time when I go into the shop I saw it in I shall be prepared
to buy it :-) Yours,
                     Jon

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From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sat Dec  9 13:25:57 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:25:57 +0100
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.192557.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hello Kris & Dave,

count me in for a room,pref. a single as according to my wife I snork a
whole forrest into bits.
What's the price?
And where it's?

best wishes
filip hawknut

FILIP VANHUYSE
HUNDELGEMSESTEENWEG 197
9050 LEDEBERG
BELGIUM

p.s.:really looking forward to actually meet (must been some 2 years we meet
in the flesh)
      Of course I was at several gigs


----- Original Message -----
From: XXX <boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> Some of the Hawkwind rooms will be double or twins.
> Peter the artist also would like a double room
>
> Has anyone approached the hotels yet?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing
>
>
> > Latest counts for hotel rooms:
> >
> >         --------- Rooms ------
> >                 Will
> > People  Single  Share   Double  Name
> > 2                       1       Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
> > 2                       1       merrick and Julie french
> > 1               y       0.5     Mike Holmes
> > 1               y       0.5     Arin Komins
> > 1       1                       Rich Warren
> > 1       1       n               Eric Siegerman
> > 1               y       0.5     Mark Licht
> > 1               y       0.5     Robert Jacobs
> > 1       1                       Michael Blackman
> > 2                       1       Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> > 10      10                      Hawkwind
> >         1       n               Jill Strobridge
> >                 y       0.5     Andreas Stuewe
> >                 y       0.5     Bernhard Pospiech
> >         1                       Richard Cutting
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > 23      15              6       Totals
> >
> > ie. 21 rooms.  ("0.5 of a double" is my way of tallying people
> > who are willing to share a room but not a bed :-)
> >
> > --
> >
> > |  | /\
> > |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> > |  |  /
> > Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> > fired for relying on Microsoft.
> >         - Chris Garrigues
> >


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Sat Dec  9 13:44:35 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:44:35 -0500
Subject: HW: COMPETITION WINNERS
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.134435.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS

The results of the Xmas t-shirt competition
are up on Mission Control Updates
www.hawkwind.org.uk

++MESSAGE ENDS


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec  9 16:24:30 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:24:30 -0500
Subject: HW: OFF: New additions to a-i.com catalog
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.162430.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

http://Aural-Innovations.com

Aural Innovations is pleased to announce the following additions to  our
mail order catalog:

Alan Davey - Chaos Delight (2000): Eight kick ass spacerockin' instrumentals
that pay tribute to science fiction television. Davey  plays all the
instruments and the album is overall similar to "Captured Rotation", except
this new one ROCKS MUCH HARDER! Includes a 12-page comic book.

Architectural Metaphor - Creature Of The Velvet Void (1997): One of the
USA's longest lived spacerock bands plays a cosmic set that combines the
best of  Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, and Tangerine Dream to produce a haunting
sound that is completely their own. Includes covers of Hawkwind's "Golden
Void" and The Velvet Underground's "All Tomorrow's Parties".

Faust - The Land Of Ukko & Rauni (2000): A 2-CD live set recorded April 20,
2000 in Helsinki, Finland at the Tavastia Club. These Krautrock pioneers
have in no way lost their edge over the years. A wonderful performance of
avant garde space, psychedelia, and general Faustian mania.

Circle - Prospekt (2000): One of Aural Innovations' most frequently  covered
bands, and we're thrilled to have finally added them to the catalog.
Spacerock, post-rock, experimental... this band defies easy descriptions.
Pounding rhythms, aggressive guitar assaults, and Hammond organ, make for a
wonderful freakout set. These guys really do have their own sound.

Nebula Trip - Birth (1999): Nebula Trip play improvised instrumental
spacerock along the lines of Ozric Tentacles and Tribe Of Cro, though the
pace isn't as frenzied as the Ozrics. I love the deep thudding bass beat, as
well as the combination of the often symphonic keys and acidic guitar.

These are in addition to our regular stock of CD's by SubArachnoid  Space,
Mushroom, Mr Quimby's Beard, Hardy (keyboardist from  Mr Quimby's Beard),
Afresco Mantis, Krom Lek, Census Of  Hallucination, The Rabbit's Hat,
Quarkspace, National Steam, Krel, Spacehead, JFK Jr Royal Airforce, W.O.O.
Revelator, World Of  Tomorrow, Ernesto Diaz-Infante & Rotcod Zzaj, The
Imaginary Band, The Moondance Experiment, Music From The Future, Spaceship
Eyes, and Escape Velocity. We also have numerous selections from the Garden
Of Delights reissue label.

For full descriptions and ordering information go to http://Aural-
Innovatons.com and click on the mail order link on our main page.

Aural Innovations is an online web-zine covering all forms of spacerock,
psychedelia, electronica, and freaked out jazz. Our  web site is LOADED with
reviews, interviews, and articles, and we  also have a radio show that you
can listen to in streaming  RealAudio.

http://Aural-Innovations.com


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec  9 17:32:42 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:32:42 -0500
Subject: HW: More completism
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.173242.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nick said...

>On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:
>
>> In message <200012091451.JAA22604 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx <hw at CY-
>> B.ORG> writes
>> >just to throw a spanner in the works..
>> >
>> >rooting through the collection i found an interesting CD
>> >"Nuclear Waste" by Sting and The Radioactors....
>> >The lineup is wayy interesting on 3 tracks...
>> >
>> >Vocals : Sting
>> >Lead Guitar : Steve hillage  - (why i bought it)
>> >Sax & Backing vocals: Nik Turner
>> >
>> >and guess what... it's a voiceprint cd (BP181CD)
>>
>> Wasn't Gong bassist Mike Howlett also involved? The band was actually the
>> genesis of the Police, of course all the psychedelic warriors had left by
>> then.

Perhaps you're thinking of the band Strontium 90, which was
Howlett/Sumner/Somers/Copeland.  The album they recorded (which I don't
think was ever released on LP) was recently put out on CD, with liner notes
by Howlett.  I have it, but haven't played it in awhile, but I do remember
that it contained as bonus track an early acoustic version of 'Every Little
Thing She Does is Magic' by Sting, which oddly enough was really the first
Police track written, though it was released on one of the later albums.

Not sure whether the Nuclear Waste session pre- or post-dated the 90Sr
stuff, but I think it's pretty obvious that the Hillage/Turner/Williamson
connection to Sting and the Howlett connection to the Police are not
coincidental.

So, should I take my Police albums out of my classic rock section, and put
them into my Hawkwind section now?  And how 'bout Animal Logic, with
Copeland on drums?

Grakkl (FAA)

P.S.  I just bought a DVD player.  I think somebody said that the Chronicle
video is available in this format?  Anything else of interest in the
space-rock/psychedelia vein?  It's a cheap model that doesn't play VCD's (or
CD-R's), but I can play regular CD's over my TV speaker (and my stereo
speakers simultaneously since everything's connected through my VCR) which
is rather peculiar.  Not an improvement really, but just peculiar.  :)

ObDVD: Brazil - The Criterion Collection (I hope it comes soon...I got
nothing to play)  :)


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat Dec  9 19:37:47 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:37:47 -0000
Subject: atomhenge
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.003747.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

not you as well - been out for a while squire - are you not on the CD
Services catalogue mail-out list???
Andy Garibaldi.
andygee at dial.pipex.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: atomhenge


> when is this coming out on cd?
>
>
> colm


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat Dec  9 19:43:31 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:43:31 -0000
Subject: HW: Completism
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.004331.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Speaking of completism, I take it all you Hawkwfans who must have anything and everything all own the Tribute To Queen album feat Lemmy on one track - or is that going too far - probably is - or the double CD 'Saucerful Of Pink' of Floyd songs with Turner on.....and so it goes...
Andy Garibaldi 
(clearly bored this evening, although still stunned at the magnificence of the song and video for Ten Benson's 'Black Snow' track on alt MTV earlier - surely the finest Christmas record ever!!!)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 3:21 PM
  Subject: HW: Completism


  I picked up a budget priced Stranglers Live CD recorded when Hugh was in the jug in 80. Special guests: Nik Turner, Steve Hillage, Peter Hammill, Robert Fripp (?) and others - a curio if nothing else.
   
  Dave
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat Dec  9 19:45:38 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:45:38 -0000
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.004538.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

no! - thanks anyway but if it's all with the Delerium guys, I don't want to
start treading on their toes.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar


> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
> > several points - unusual story I hear re the Delerium guys but not for
me to
> > comment - there are usually pretty good reasons as to why a label like
this
> > takes such time.
> > For my part as Dead Earnest label owner, if I want to do a CD with
someone I
> > will tell them, but if I'm not ready to do it right now, then I tell the
> > band to try others and if, when I'm ready, they still haven't got a
deal,
> > then we can do it - fair to me - fair to the band.
> > Actually I didn't know Darxtar had recorded a new album at all so if
they're
> > listening and the Delerium ink isn't dry then I'd like a shot at hearing
it.
>
>         Wouldn't we all! But from what I hear the tapes are with Delerium
> and the release deal signed, it's just that Delerium isn't doing anything
> at all any more as far as anyone can tell. Though their web-page was in
> part updated last month to show some new Porcupine Tree dates, and they
> had new product available (by two bands no-one's ever heard of) last
> year. But since then, nada, and they don't answer e-mails anymore. I must
> ask Ken at the Freak Emporium when next I see him.
>
>         As far as I know no current members of Darxtar are on this list
> though Captain Juba is sometimes seen here. I do have an e-mail address
> fro the Commander if you want it, Andy, but I've no proof it works or that
> he ever checks it if it does. Yours,
>                                      Jon
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:27 AM
> > Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
> >
> > > Chris asked...
> > >
> > > >Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
> > > >that was to come out?
> > >
> > > I seem to remember some discussion about this in Brixton.  I think the
> > word
> > > was - The Commander had given the final mixdown to Delerium long ago,
and
> > > he's now sick and tired of asking when it will be released, so they're
> > just
> > > going to sit on it until they get their ass in gear and put it out.
> > Correct
> > > me if I'm wrong.
> > > I'm pretty sure that otherwise the band was pretty much on indefinite
> > > hiatus.  Sad to see them treated so badly...they deserve better!  And
> > > Delerium has zero presence in the US anymore, so hard to make a global
> > > impact with any new release.
> > >
> > > >Also to be sort of on topic: I heard briefly mentioned here a few
weeks
> > > >ago the Acid Jam II by Bevis Frond members. Adrian Shaw plays on most
of
> > > >it, and Simon house one track. Also members from Magic Muscle and
Edgar
> > > >Broughton appear. I paid $16.99 for 2 CDs and it is mindbending. I
> > > >cannot recommend this enough, especially if you like Bari Watts and
Ric
> > > >Gunther as well.
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's good.  And it is both on Woronzow (UK) and also Rubric
(US), so
> > > you can get it fairly cheap over here.  I dunno about the new Bevis,
but
> > > other Woronzow stuff (like the Alchemysts new one) is also on Rubric,
so
> > > maybe that'll continue...hope so!
> > >
> > > Scorch wondered...
> > >
> > > >> the new Architectural Metaphor live album - tremendous 20 minute
cover
> > > >> of 'Echoes' (yes - THAT 'Echoes') and what a fantastic end track -
best
> > > >> album I've heard this week.
> > > >> Andy Garibaldi.
> > > >
> > > >Tell Me More! And, because I'm feeling dain-bramaged at the moment,
> > > >remind me where I can get their stuff? I've only got Creature...
> > > >that I stumbled across in a local shop.
> > >
> > > Viva is live from Quarkstock (I was there!) and despite a few bits of
> > > extraneous noise (pops) on the source tape, the recording is pretty
good.
> > > And the performance is stellar.  They put it out themselves, so best
to
> > > email Paul or Greg (arcmet at yahoo.com I think) and get it direct.
> > >
> > > Tracks are:
> > > Overture 1369 (2:34)
> > > Sur Le Tour (8:39)
> > > The Maker (4:59)
> > > For A Few Moments (4:40)
> > > Echoes (22:44)
> > > Kairos (13:41)
> > >
> > > As far as Odysseum Galacti goes, I just ordered one from
www.parasol.com
> > for
> > > a whopping $3.50.  You might want to check there to see if they have
any
> > > more copies at that price.
> > >
> > > Grakkl (FAA)
> >
>
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sat Dec  9 19:59:12 2000
From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 00:59:12 +0000
Subject: [BOCL] HW: a question of past members
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.005912.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A recent post from a newsgroup I'm a regular reader / starter of HW
threads on[1] -

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers[2]


[goes and furkles around on shelves for concert programme thingie from
October 1981 (The Gaumont, Sarf'ampton, Oct 25th. Spectacular light
show, AIR. {Curiously, no-one else of my acquaintance who was at the gig
recalls any kind of light show at all. Hmm})]

Curiously, while browsing this, I found evidence of the occurrence of
misplaced apostrophe's even that long ago. I digress.

Tim Blake is there in the list of people who'd played keyboards etc with
them (along with Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Simon House, Paul Hayles, Steve
Swindells, Twink, Keith Hale, "and a new member being auditioned at
present").

Sad to say that's my only frame of reference, cos I never really
listened to anything they did past about 1982....

-----------End of forwarded message-----------

 So, what I want to know is - who is the 'new member' mentioned? Yes, I
probably should be able to work it out, but can't due to brain user error.

 Thankyou,


 Kirsten
[1] got to love anyone who says 'You're going to see Hawkwind? Are you
sure they're not just archives?' as one umra regular did :)
 [2] Noone ever did confirm that a gig had been played in Felpersham way
back when...


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sat Dec  9 20:50:29 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:50:29 -0500
Subject: HW: Uhhh...please explain
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.2000.205029.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This band is playing in Cleveland this month.  Is there a connection?  :)

Grakkl (FAA)

"The Dave Brockie Experience"

Slave Pit Inc., which has brought you bands like GWAR, The X-Cops, and Death
Piggy, now present a new wrinkle in their musical butt -- Dave Brockie
Experience. Dave Brockie is the human alter-ego of Oderus Urungus, lead
singer of GWAR, and along with his GWAR bandmates Mike Derks (Balsac) and
Brad Roberts (Jizmak), have created a unique musical "mess-terpiece" that at
once celebrates the tunes of the Slave Pit, while simultaneously exposing
you to a load of, uh, new crap! A DBE show is likely to contain equal parts
loud and obnoxious new music (played by old people), touching acoustical
ballads (that are incredibly stupid), and stand-up comedy (that's not really
funny). What a DBE show really thrives on is CHAOS. The music has an
improvisational element that assures a
different performance everytime. Brockie and his cohorts have been creating
bands for years, before GWAR was even a rumor -- this chance to play without
eight-hundred pounds of bloody latex hanging off of 'em marks a resurgent
chapter in the development of some of the underground's most prolific and
dedicated artists. A chapter in which not many people show up...and those
who do wish GWAR would come back.


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Sat Dec  9 21:56:04 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:26:04 +1030
Subject: congratualations
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.132604.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A big hoorahh for the winners of the TShirt competition!!!!!!!!

MICK CROOK
KEVIN SOMMERS
GARRY & ANNA
MICHAEL MUIR

Good stuff People!!!
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From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Sat Dec  9 21:33:50 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:33:50 +0100
Subject: HW: More completism
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012091817240.29168-100000@chiark.greenend.o rg.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.033350.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>        Shockingly I didn't actually know the name Mike Howlett when I
>last saw a copy of this (it may still be there for all I know), so I don't
>rememebr it being there, but I know that the chief mover and shaker on
>this project was Hari Williamson, who brought Nik with him from Sphynx
>which is why he's one there; Steve Hillage likewise. I believe Miquette
>Giraudy is also on it somewhere. I have a nagging feeling that it may also
>have an ex-Hawk drumming but I'm not sure which one. Either Alan Powell or
>Andy Anderson I suppose given that they were in Sphynx, but they'd both
>gone by the time Sphynx got on the road so perhaps I'm just raving.

The complete line-up for the Radio Actor's Nuclear Waste ep is:

Steve Broughton, Harry Williamson, Mike Howlett, Sting, Gilli Smyth, Steve
Hillage and Nik T.
It was released in 1979 and got re-released on CD in 1996.

(c)IAO

                         D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Sun Dec 10 04:26:05 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:26:05 +0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.172605.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

"Big Generator" is the worst Yes album.  "Drama," "Tomato" and Tales from
"Topographical Oceans" are favourites.

Bill
 -----
From: "William Duffy" <xl5 at IINET.NET.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> Me too. I also like DRAMA a lot. In fact, I think it's one of there best.
I
> even like Tormato.
>
> I've heard that Union is dreadful, though?
>
> William


From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Sun Dec 10 04:32:47 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:32:47 +0800
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.173247.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Last I heard of David Surkamp he had released an album called "Moods For
Mallards."

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


> Right!  A lot of people don't realize that Journey started out as a
> pretty good band.  I saw them open for BOC on tour supporting their
> [Journey's] first album.  BOC was supporting OYF... Sandwiched
> between Journey and BOC was...Pavlov's Dog. Hey, <>, ever hear
> of these guys?
>
> theo
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 05:29:09 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:29:09 -0000
Subject: HW: More completism (Radio Actors)
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.102909.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

There are copies of the single available from Jonny on the Gong Appreciation
Society site.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Denis Regenbrecht <denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 02:58
Subject: Re: HW: More completism


>Hi,
>
>>        Shockingly I didn't actually know the name Mike Howlett when I
>>last saw a copy of this (it may still be there for all I know), so I don't
>>rememebr it being there, but I know that the chief mover and shaker on
>>this project was Hari Williamson, who brought Nik with him from Sphynx
>>which is why he's one there; Steve Hillage likewise. I believe Miquette
>>Giraudy is also on it somewhere. I have a nagging feeling that it may also
>>have an ex-Hawk drumming but I'm not sure which one. Either Alan Powell or
>>Andy Anderson I suppose given that they were in Sphynx, but they'd both
>>gone by the time Sphynx got on the road so perhaps I'm just raving.
>
>The complete line-up for the Radio Actor's Nuclear Waste ep is:
>
>Steve Broughton, Harry Williamson, Mike Howlett, Sting, Gilli Smyth, Steve
>Hillage and Nik T.
>It was released in 1979 and got re-released on CD in 1996.
>
>(c)IAO
>
>                         D+R
>
>--
>"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
>                                         Hassan I Sabbah
>
>www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de
>


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Sun Dec 10 07:47:57 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:47:57 GMT
Subject: HW congratualations
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.124757.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Blackman wrote:
> A big hoorahh for the winners of the TShirt competition!!!!!!!!
>
>MICK CROOK
>KEVIN SOMMERS
>GARRY & ANNA
>MICHAEL MUIR
>
>Good stuff People!!!

Thanks Michael, I'm still in shock!

A stunned but exited
Mick



May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.

--------------------
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From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 08:38:32 2000
From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:38:32 -0000
Subject: congratualations
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.133832.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Michael Blackman wrote:
> A big hoorahh for the winners of the TShirt competition!!!!!!!!
>
>MICK CROOK
>KEVIN SOMMERS
>GARRY & ANNA
>MICHAEL MUIR
>
>Good stuff People!!!

Michael thanks for the congratulations, you can imagine how good this feels, a mixture of euphoria and shock...... need to lie down...

To Mick, Kevin & Michael, congratulations, you know how good this feels.

Gary & Anna
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Blackman 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: 10 December 2000 02:56
  Subject: congratualations


  A big hoorahh for the winners of the TShirt competition!!!!!!!!

  MICK CROOK
  KEVIN SOMMERS
  GARRY & ANNA
  MICHAEL MUIR

  Good stuff People!!!
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From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Sun Dec 10 09:12:09 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:12:09 -0500
Subject: BOC: Back in the Studio
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.091209.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

BOC will be in the studio next week with the first heavy sessions for
the
next record.

Eric Bloom reports:

"We have a "working" title for the upcoming album...so it's not etched
in
stone,  for now it's "Manic Aggressive"..."
+++
However, Eric has also opened up the naming of the album to
suggestions. You
can submit your suggestions on the BOCfanclub webpage.

http://www.bocfanclub.com/General/Name.html

And, if your title is chosen for use by the band, Eric will send you
an
autographed picture of the band, an autographed poster, a Reaper
T-shirt and
a Godzilla T-shirt. In addition to that, you'll receive an album
credit and
a hearty band handshake backstage at a concert!

So, put on your thinking caps and see if you can come up with the
perfect
album title!!

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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sun Dec 10 09:16:07 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:16:07 +0000
Subject: HW: Completism
In-Reply-To: <007d01c06242$38ae8960$699cbc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.141607.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> Speaking of completism, I take it all you Hawkwfans who must have
> anything and everything all own the Tribute To Queen album feat Lemmy
> on one track - or is that going too far - probably is - or the double
> CD 'Saucerful Of Pink' of Floyd songs with Turner on.....and so it
> goes...

        Well, duh, you've got to have that one because it has Spiral
Realms doing `Interstellar Overdraft'! :-) Yours,
                                                  Jon
n/p: Beatles - _1967-1970_
--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 10 09:24:40 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:24:40 -0000
Subject: HW: Completism
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012101414380.31715-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.142440.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>         Well, duh, you've got to have that one because it has Spiral
> Realms doing `Interstellar Overdraft'! :-) Yours,


Is ir really called that?  Or was that a Freudian slip on your part? ;))

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 09:26:49 2000
From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:26:49 +0000
Subject: HW: 1970 - 1980 Video/film footage - what is out there?
In-Reply-To: <d0pvACARsCK6Ewhd@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.142649.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It still ranks as being the best version of The Right Stuff that I have
heard. I desperately tried to record it by holding a portable mono radio
cassette recorder in front of the TV speaker - crap results.

Also, I think this was the first time I heard that extended intro to
Angels of Death when Huw did his little noodling solo before the main
riff started. Does anyone know exactly when this intro was introduced?

Mark

>I remember that. It was a strange programme. A motley assortment of acts
>(mostly second-string HM bands) performed live in an empty studio. Nul
>points for atmosphere. Hawkwind were the only decent band I can
>remember being on it. They looked totally out of it and I remember Brock
>caused a bit of a stir by saying 'we like smoking The Right Stuff' at the
>conclusion of the song. The prog was shown at about 5.30pm and there was
>at least one article (or maybe a  letter) I read in the press expressing outrage
>at this shameful attempt to encourage the nation's youth to break the law
>(I'm paraphrasing but you can imagine how it went). As an impressionable
>16 or 17 year old I was shocked- by the bile in the newspaper that is, not by
>Brocky's comment, which struck me as no more than a simple statement of
>fact.
>--
>Nick Medford


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sun Dec 10 09:36:35 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:36:35 +0000
Subject: HW: Completism
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLNNCENLINIMONNCJEEGFCLAA.andygilham@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.143635.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Andy Gilham wrote:

> >         Well, duh, you've got to have that one because it has Spiral
> > Realms doing `Interstellar Overdraft'! :-) Yours,
>
> Is ir really called that?  Or was that a Freudian slip on your part? ;))

        Either that version or the one on the Spiral Realms live album
bears this title I belive, but I have neither CD yet so I can't tell you
for sure. I suspect it's _not_ the version on the Floyd tribute but I
wasn't going to miss the chance to quote it anyway :-) Yours,
                                                              Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From kkusic at EXECPC.COM  Sun Dec 10 10:01:36 2000
From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:01:36 -0600
Subject: OFF: Reefer Madness
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.090136.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi all -

Check out the sale on "Reefer Madness" here.

Hey Keith!  You can get the DVD for your new player for only $9.09 new
or $7.99 used!

http://www.djangomusic.com/item_movie.asp?id=V++++40777&dt=

;)

Karen

--
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
- Frank Zappa


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 10 06:06:03 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:06:03 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.110603.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

so how do yuo get one of these wonderful sounding items?
Andy G'b
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernhard Pospiech" <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)


> Hi
>
> At 19:16 07.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
> >what the hell is an ADSL line???
>
> It is a connection which is about 10-12 times faster than ISDN
>
> I'll get mine at the end of January 2001
>
> Bernhard


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 10 06:23:18 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:23:18 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.112318.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On balance, the Melodic E. Commm CD is worth having simply because the odd
excruciating moments are well outweighed by the good ones, altho' it's
definitely 'different', that you can say.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> On the other hand, I don't own the Comus album with Keith Hale, I don't
own
> any Widowmaker or other Huw stuff, nothing with Ginger Baker on it (not
> even Cream or Graham Bond ... although I wouldn't mind having the Fela
> album that he's on) or any other Hawkwind drummer stuff (Chicken Shack,
> Portishead, New Model Army, Cure, etc.), the Swindells solo albums
> (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and "Shot
> Down In The Night") or Pilot, Melodic Energy Commission (another one
> probably worth having),


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 10 06:24:45 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:24:45 -0000
Subject: HW:Excess Studio recordings
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.112445.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

well - if anyone runs into him, give him my e.mail address and tell him I
still want some CD's off him!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Excess Studio recordings


> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:49:35 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
> <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
> >Twink is on the West Coast of USA last time I heard but where I really
don't
> >know.
>
> Los Angeles.  Apparently in January, he'll be playing a show backed up by
> the local band Backbiter (the drummer of Backbiter is Bob Lee, formerly of
> Clawhammer, Mike Watt's tour band and a zillion other groups including
> Slotnick, who covered "Death Trap" on the 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind
> tribute).
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 10 07:17:25 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:17:25 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.121725.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
The 'Thousand Days Of Yesterday' Captain Beyond Tribute features Five
Fifteen with Nik Turner doing the title track. Also on the album are
Pentagram, Rise & Shine, Standarte, Lotus w/ Brian Robertson, Flower Kings,
Quill, Locomotive Breath, Zello, Orchid Leaves, Zoomlenz, Ooph & Abramis
Brama.
Verdict - a rather fine album that's probably way better than the original
versions.
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
>         All right, I'll bite there - I didn't know the Captain Beyond
> thing had finally come out - can you tell me, for the old file, what the
> title is and which song Nik's doing (and is it as the All Stars or is it
> another Grenas/Del Rio makeshift)?


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sun Dec 10 12:37:54 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:37:54 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.173754.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You Sign Up with BT(theres probably only them doing it up there in Scotland
at the minute)
You need to be within 3.5km from your exchange, it needs to be adsl enabled,
the line needs to test as suitable and you need USB on your PC.
Then they rip you off for a heinous 150quid installation charge(I avoided
this because i preordered in June)
Then they charge you 39.99 a month.
They can convert the line within 3 weeks, it runs on your normal phone line,
and both can be on at once, no more engaged tones.


What you get is a 576,000KBps always on internet connection through an ADSL
modem.  There are no Call charges, and your ISP is in with the 39quid rental
charge.

If you wait a few more weeks some of the other telcos will be doing it for
alot less money, but they're concentrating on the South at the minute

I guess you have to balance it off against how much you spend at the minute,
and whether you need the speed.  If you play any online games its superb.
If you do mainly email there isn't much of a benefit.  For the more advanced
web pages, and all that virtual worlds avatar stuff it's great.

Obviously if you do alot of MP3s the download speed can be 50k-70k a second
so it's excellent for that.  3MB a minute probably, so 20 minutes for a
whole album say.  Oh yeah and the speed is good enough to run the broadband
TV broadcasts on the net from around the world.  I was watching the Nasa
stuff live from the shuttle a couple of nights ago looks just like normal
telly on broadband.

Mama I love My ADSL.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "ANDREW GARIBALDI" <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)


> so how do yuo get one of these wonderful sounding items?
> Andy G'b
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernhard Pospiech" <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Hawkwind.org+ADSL=:-)
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > At 19:16 07.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
> > >what the hell is an ADSL line???
> >
> > It is a connection which is about 10-12 times faster than ISDN
> >
> > I'll get mine at the end of January 2001
> >
> > Bernhard
>


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sun Dec 10 12:41:40 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:41:40 -0000
Subject: HW: Completism
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.174140.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And Don't forget Nik played on 'Fairy Tales' by Mother Gong, that prog
Jazz(sortoff) spoken word thing.

Hmmm.

I can't believe I've got some Mother Gong Stuff.

Groan




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Completism


> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
> > Speaking of completism, I take it all you Hawkwfans who must have
> > anything and everything all own the Tribute To Queen album feat Lemmy
> > on one track - or is that going too far - probably is - or the double
> > CD 'Saucerful Of Pink' of Floyd songs with Turner on.....and so it
> > goes...
>
>         Well, duh, you've got to have that one because it has Spiral
> Realms doing `Interstellar Overdraft'! :-) Yours,
>                                                   Jon
> n/p: Beatles - _1967-1970_
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."
>


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Sun Dec 10 12:55:36 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:55:36 EST
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.125536.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> the Swindells solo albums
>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and "Shot
>  > Down In The Night")

sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the worst
Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was a
first. maybe that one is good?
bob

Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 12:57:49 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:57:49 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.175749.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Can't agree here the LP is excellent (you're not saying that Space Bandits
and Codex are better than this, are you? Puh-leeze). Proto-hawkwind it most
certainly is, the missing link between the Hawklords and the 79/80 Hawkwind.
In saying that I remember John Peel playing Steve's version of "Shot", good
old Peely said he preferred the Hawks version.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 17:55
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


>In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>> the Swindells solo albums
>>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
"Shot
>>  > Down In The Night")
>
>sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
worst
>Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
a
>first. maybe that one is good?
>bob
>
>Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
>http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html
>


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 10 13:08:49 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:08:49 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <44.9a13122.27651d98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.180849.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > the Swindells solo albums
> >  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind
> members and "Shot
> >  > Down In The Night")
>
> sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one
> of the worst
> Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know
> there was a
> first. maybe that one is good?
> bob

No, the first one (MESSAGES) is pretty horrible.  The second, FRESH BLOOD, I
liked a lot at the time, but it hasn't aged too well.  Certainly not one of
the worst LPs ever, but not worth searching out unless you really are a
kollektor.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 13:03:15 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:03:15 -0000
Subject: HW: Where were they?
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.180315.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Great to see a lot of the old crew at the Hawkestra gig. Where were the missing members?

Simon King - didn't want to go
Ade Shaw - health
Dave Anderson - in hiding, new identity (or was that him up the back taping the show for hundreds of god-awful bootleg releases?)

the rest:
Andy Anderson
Paul Rudolph
John Harrison

etc.

Dave
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From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Sun Dec 10 13:27:11 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:27:11 EST
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.132711.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Dave, I think it's one of the most horribly awful Lp's ever, conversely, I
happen to like Space Bandits and Xenon Codex. Xenon is a sleeper that sneaks
up on you, give it another spin. but hey, everyone likes diferrent stuff and
it actually makes sense that we are opposed on these records.
in reality, I listen to all Hawkwind and solo stuff, and even I don't care
for mr. Swindels solo LP, I've given it many listens, if for no other reason,
the Hawkwind member connection.
That I'm not a big fan (or fan at all for that matter) of Bruce Springsteen,
it is easy to understand why I don't like the Swindels Lp, as it sounded more
like "the boss" than Hawkwind....
but that's only my opinion...anyone else?
bob

In a message dated 12/10/00 10:07:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

> Can't agree here the LP is excellent (you're not saying that Space Bandits
>  and Codex are better than this, are you? Puh-leeze). Proto-hawkwind it most
>  certainly is, the missing link between the Hawklords and the 79/80
Hawkwind.
>  In saying that I remember John Peel playing Steve's version of "Shot", good
>  old Peely said he preferred the Hawks version.
>
>  Dave
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
>  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>  Date: 10 December 2000 17:55
>  Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>
>
>  >In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>  >andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>  >> the Swindells solo albums
>  >>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
>  "Shot
>  >>  > Down In The Night")
>  >
>  >sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
>  worst
>  >Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
>  a
>  >first. maybe that one is good?
>  >bob
>  >
>  >Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
>  >http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html
>  >
>
>


Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 10 14:00:17 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:00:17 -0000
Subject: HW: Completism
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.190017.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yeh - gets you like that, doesn't it - better off with Glo & Goddess Trance
CD's - now that's Gillli as she really should be!!
Andy Garibaldi.
P.S. Thanks for the ADSL info
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Warren" <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Completism


> And Don't forget Nik played on 'Fairy Tales' by Mother Gong, that prog
> Jazz(sortoff) spoken word thing.
>
> Hmmm.
>
> I can't believe I've got some Mother Gong Stuff.
>
> Groan
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: Completism
>
>
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking of completism, I take it all you Hawkwfans who must have
> > > anything and everything all own the Tribute To Queen album feat Lemmy
> > > on one track - or is that going too far - probably is - or the double
> > > CD 'Saucerful Of Pink' of Floyd songs with Turner on.....and so it
> > > goes...
> >
> >         Well, duh, you've got to have that one because it has Spiral
> > Realms doing `Interstellar Overdraft'! :-) Yours,
> >                                                   Jon
> > n/p: Beatles - _1967-1970_
> > --
> >      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
> >    =====================================================================
> >         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."
> >


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 15:34:16 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:34:16 -0000
Subject: HW: New Anatomy (ICU) vinyl for sale
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.203416.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
Anybody interested in buying a copy of ICU's "New Anatomy" on vinyl?
Played once, hence excellent condition.
Please E-mail me if interested.
Cheers.
Jez


 
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sun Dec 10 17:01:47 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:01:47 +0000
Subject: [BOCL] HW: a question of past members
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012100053140.3898-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220147.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Kirsten Procter wrote:

> A recent post from a newsgroup I'm a regular reader / starter of HW
> threads on[1] -
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers[2]
>
> [goes and furkles around on shelves for concert programme thingie from
> October 1981 (The Gaumont, Sarf'ampton, Oct 25th. Spectacular light
> show, AIR. {Curiously, no-one else of my acquaintance who was at the gig
> recalls any kind of light show at all. Hmm})]
>
> Tim Blake is there in the list of people who'd played keyboards etc with
> them (along with Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Simon House, Paul Hayles, Steve
> Swindells, Twink, Keith Hale, "and a new member being auditioned at
> present").
>
> Sad to say that's my only frame of reference, cos I never really
> listened to anything they did past about 1982....
>
> -----------End of forwarded message-----------
>
>  So, what I want to know is - who is the 'new member' mentioned? Yes, I
> probably should be able to work it out, but can't due to brain user error.

        How entirely confusing. After Keith Hale left in 1980 there was no
new keyboardist until Frederick Reeves the Earl of Essex in 1983, because
as Dave says in the _Sonic Attack_ liner, "Harvey and me could do it". Or
am I wrong? My initial conclusion would be that whoever this extra member
was he was so awful that Dave decided they'd be better off without a
keyboard player :-)

        N.B. also that Twink above is not *the* Twink but another one who
roadied on the 1980 tour and got dragged in to take over from Keith
Hale. I believe he also played with Mother Gong though I can't remember
where I thought I'd found this out. Anyone else shed any light on
this? Yours,
             Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec 10 17:04:04 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:04:04 -0000
Subject: HW: Where were they?
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220404.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You missed out Keith Hayle, Paul Hayles, Ginger, Clive Deamer, Mick Smith, Mick Kirton, Rik Martinez, Rob Heaton....

Would have been good to see Paul Rudolph there, I still love his playing. I got to meet Alan Powell though, so that was a consolation.  A pleasant unnassuming chap with a Manchester/West Coast USA cross-over accent, and looking not a bit like his photos from '76. He played congas on Assault & Battery and Golden Void, in case anyonne missed him.


Captain Bl at ck  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:03 PM
  Subject: HW: Where were they?


  Great to see a lot of the old crew at the Hawkestra gig. Where were the missing members?
   
  Simon King - didn't want to go
  Ade Shaw - health
  Dave Anderson - in hiding, new identity (or was that him up the back taping the show for hundreds of god-awful bootleg releases?)
   
  the rest:
  Andy Anderson
  Paul Rudolph
  John Harrison
   
  etc.
   
  Dave
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From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 10 17:00:08 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:00:08 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLNNCENLINIMONNCJMEDCCLAA.andygilham@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220008.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 11.48 +0000 6.12.2000, Andy Gilham wrote:
>  enough Flash animation to keep you very happy ;))

That'd be "none", then? ;)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 10 17:02:35 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:02:35 +0000
Subject: OFF:DarXtar
In-Reply-To: <3A301AD6.C02E6AA9@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220235.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 18.18 -0500 7.12.2000, Chris Raymond wrote:
>Sorry to be off topic, but whatever happened to the new DarXtar album
>that was to come out?

Delerium Records, from what I hear.

Cheers,
Carl

ps - yes, that was intended to both answer and explanation, I'm afraid!

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec 10 17:05:16 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:05:16 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220516.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I bought Fresh Blood when it first came out, and I still play it. 'Figures
of Authority' is a great number.

Captain Bl at ck


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> > the Swindells solo albums
> >  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
"Shot
> >  > Down In The Night")
>
> sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
worst
> Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
a
> first. maybe that one is good?
> bob
>
> Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
> http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sun Dec 10 17:08:08 2000
From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:08:08 +0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <a05010404b659ad4aca02@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.220808.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:

> At 11.48 +0000 6.12.2000, Andy Gilham wrote:
> >  enough Flash animation to keep you very happy ;))
>
> That'd be "none", then? ;)
 Indeed. I have yt to work out a way to get my machin/shoebox to handle
flash, despite numerous explanations/download attempts. Bah humbug, I say.

 Kirsten

--
Kirsten Procter                                                 ghoti
"Hawkwind? That's one step away from the Spice Girls"           Royston


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 10 17:15:35 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:15:35 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.221535.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Don't bother wasting your time.

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Kirsten Procter <kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Samantha Fox


> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:
>
> > At 11.48 +0000 6.12.2000, Andy Gilham wrote:
> > >  enough Flash animation to keep you very happy ;))
> >
> > That'd be "none", then? ;)
>  Indeed. I have yt to work out a way to get my machin/shoebox to handle
> flash, despite numerous explanations/download attempts. Bah humbug, I say.
>
>  Kirsten
>
> --
> Kirsten Procter                                                 ghoti
> "Hawkwind? That's one step away from the Spice Girls"           Royston


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 10 17:57:39 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:57:39 -0000
Subject: HW:Samantha Fox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012102206480.3898-100000@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.225739.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > That'd be "none", then? ;)
>  Indeed. I have yt to work out a way to get my machin/shoebox to handle
> flash, despite numerous explanations/download attempts. Bah humbug, I say.
>

Indeed, it's their loss, as you'd probably like their UV-reactive perspex
body armour... ;)

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Sun Dec 10 18:35:17 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:35:17 GMT
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <SUN.10.DEC.2000.233517.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Space Bandits is way better than Fresh Blood IMHO. The Brock and House solos in the last third of 'Images' are some of the best HW sounds ever recorded.

Mick

> Can't agree here the LP is excellent (you're not saying that Space Bandits
>and Codex are better than this, are you? Puh-leeze). Proto-hawkwind it most
>certainly is, the missing link between the Hawklords and the 79/80 Hawkwind.
>In saying that I remember John Peel playing Steve's version of "Shot", good
>old Peely said he preferred the Hawks version.
>
>Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Date: 10 December 2000 17:55
>Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>
>
>In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> the Swindells solo albums
>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
"Shot
>  > Down In The Night")
>
>sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
>worst
>Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
>a
>first. maybe that one is good?
>bob
>
>Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
><a Target='_new' Href='http://www.talk21.com/redirect.html?http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html'>http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html</a>
>

May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.

--------------------
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 19:08:39 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:08:39 -0000
Subject: HW: Where were they? Alan Powell
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.000839.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Anyone got a photo of AP from Brixton, I didn't see him

Dave
    -----Original Message-----
    From: starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
    Date: 10 December 2000 22:04
    Subject: Re: HW: Where were they?
    
    
    You missed out Keith Hayle, Paul Hayles, Ginger, Clive Deamer, Mick Smith, Mick Kirton, Rik Martinez, Rob Heaton....
     
    Would have been good to see Paul Rudolph there, I still love his playing. I got to meet Alan Powell though, so that was a consolation.  A pleasant unnassuming chap with a Manchester/West Coast USA cross-over accent, and looking not a bit like his photos from '76. He played congas on Assault & Battery and Golden Void, in case anyonne missed him.
     
    
    Captain Bl at ck  
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: david hall 
        To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
        Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:03 PM
        Subject: HW: Where were they?
        
        
        Great to see a lot of the old crew at the Hawkestra gig. Where were the missing members?
         
        Simon King - didn't want to go
        Ade Shaw - health
        Dave Anderson - in hiding, new identity (or was that him up the back taping the show for hundreds of god-awful bootleg releases?)
         
        the rest:
        Andy Anderson
        Paul Rudolph
        John Harrison
         
        etc.
         
        Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 19:10:03 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:10:03 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.001003.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hurrah!
May be the current line-up could try it
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: starfield <starfield at SUPANET.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 22:04
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


>I bought Fresh Blood when it first came out, and I still play it. 'Figures
>of Authority' is a great number.
>
>Captain Bl at ck
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>
>
>> In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>> andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>> > the Swindells solo albums
>> >  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
>"Shot
>> >  > Down In The Night")
>>
>> sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
>worst
>> Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there
was
>a
>> first. maybe that one is good?
>> bob
>>
>> Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
>> http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 19:13:09 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:13:09 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.001309.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Okay I'll dig it out again to give that a listen - I'll skip the rest

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 23:36
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


>Space Bandits is way better than Fresh Blood IMHO. The Brock and House
solos in the last third of 'Images' are some of the best HW sounds ever
recorded.
>
>Mick
>
>> Can't agree here the LP is excellent (you're not saying that Space
Bandits
>>and Codex are better than this, are you? Puh-leeze). Proto-hawkwind it
most
>>certainly is, the missing link between the Hawklords and the 79/80
Hawkwind.
>>In saying that I remember John Peel playing Steve's version of "Shot",
good
>>old Peely said he preferred the Hawks version.
>>
>>Dave
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>>Date: 10 December 2000 17:55
>>Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>> the Swindells solo albums
>>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
>"Shot
>>  > Down In The Night")
>>
>>sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
>>worst
>>Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
>>a
>>first. maybe that one is good?
>>bob
>>
>>Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
>><a Target='_new'
Href='http://www.talk21.com/redirect.html?http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/
hawkwindrulesindex.html'>http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesinde
x.html</a>
>>
>
>May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.
>
>--------------------
>talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at
http://www.talk21.com
>


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 10 19:20:30 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:20:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Solo projects
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.002030.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'll nominate
Xitintoday
Captain Lockhead
Overkill/Bomber/Ace Of Spades (classics all three)

as my five nominations for solo projects.

A nomination for the bargain bin? That live H-LL bootleg on Flicknife, or
Lucky Leif

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Crook <m.j.crook at TALK21.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 23:36
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


>Space Bandits is way better than Fresh Blood IMHO. The Brock and House
solos in the last third of 'Images' are some of the best HW sounds ever
recorded.
>
>Mick
>
>> Can't agree here the LP is excellent (you're not saying that Space
Bandits
>>and Codex are better than this, are you? Puh-leeze). Proto-hawkwind it
most
>>certainly is, the missing link between the Hawklords and the 79/80
Hawkwind.
>>In saying that I remember John Peel playing Steve's version of "Shot",
good
>>old Peely said he preferred the Hawks version.
>>
>>Dave
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
>>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>>Date: 10 December 2000 17:55
>>Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
>> the Swindells solo albums
>>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
>"Shot
>>  > Down In The Night")
>>
>>sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
>>worst
>>Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
>>a
>>first. maybe that one is good?
>>bob
>>
>>Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
>><a Target='_new'
Href='http://www.talk21.com/redirect.html?http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/
hawkwindrulesindex.html'>http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesinde
x.html</a>
>>
>
>May there always be starlight on the path...Burnham Jr.
>
>--------------------
>talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at
http://www.talk21.com
>


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Sun Dec 10 19:42:02 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:42:02 -0000
Subject: atomhenge
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.004202.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

well it may be out but i aint seen it anywhere
seen all the wierd cd's though

if i'm not on the mailing list andy(can't remember if i am or not), then
please put me on it.

cheers

colm

-----Original Message-----
From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 10 December 2000 00:25
Subject: Re: atomhenge


>not you as well - been out for a while squire - are you not on the CD
>Services catalogue mail-out list???
>Andy Garibaldi.
>andygee at dial.pipex.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:44 PM
>Subject: atomhenge
>
>
>> when is this coming out on cd?
>>
>>
>> colm
>


From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Sun Dec 10 19:56:09 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:56:09 -0000
Subject: HW: Captain Beyond tribute
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.005609.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Now let me see.

Reviewed it at; http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/August2000/reviews.html

And said;
VARIOUS ARTISTS - Thousand Days Of Yesterdays: A Tribute To Captain Beyond
(Record Heaven)

      Featuring; Pentagram, Rise And Shine, Standarte, Lotus w/ Brian
Robertson, ex Thin Lizzy, Flower Kings, Five Fifteen w/Nik       Turner, The
Quill, Zello, Locomotive Breath, ZoomlenZ - w/ Willie Daffern, Orchid
Leaves, Qoph, Abramis Brama

      Do you ever get the feeling that this whole tribute thing is going a
bit too far? In 1972, Captain Beyond released their first album.        The
band featured ex Deep Purple singer Rod Evans, Rhino and Lee Dorman from
Iron Butterfly and Bobby Caldwell from the Johnny Winter Band. Basically
sidemen who other, possibly more creative forces, decided had outlived their
usefulness. I've heard the original and, although better than Nick Simpers
Warhorse, it was nothing special. This tribute CD is based entirely on this,
with some additional bonustracks.

      But do you want to know what's really astonishing? This is bloody
brilliant! From the mad guitar on "Dancing Madly Backwards (On A Sea Of
Air)" by Pentagram through the twisted riff of "Armworth" by Rise And Shine
on into the cascading  "Raging River Of Fear" done here by the Flower Kings,
this is quite phenomenal. Which goes to show that memory plays tricks. Maybe
it's the sheen of a 21st century production, maybe they're just better
musicians, whatever, this is superb. We'll even forgive Captain Beyond the
Hendrix rip off that is "I Can't Feel Nothing (Part 1)".

      Chuck in some guest appearances by ex-pat Robbo and Nik Turner honking
away merrily on the (surprisingly) funky title track with Five Fifteen, this
is virtually faultless. Just to let you know, this spent 3 days in the CD
player without a break, seriously  jeopardising deadline day for Z. Buy it
now.

      Record Heaven, Box 25, 230 42 Tygelsjo, Sweden info at recordheaven.net
http://www.recordheaven.net
      Cheers to Miikka Wagner who punted this my way. Good work, Finnish
fella!

So there,

SAH
The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151

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From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Mon Dec 11 01:27:00 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:27:00 +0100
Subject: HW: Solo projects
In-Reply-To: <003d01c06308$2c730ec0$ab4b893e@default>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.072700.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>I'll nominate
>Xitintoday
>Captain Lockhead

I totally agree.

>A nomination for the bargain bin? That live H-LL bootleg on Flicknife, or
>Lucky Leif

NACK.
Lucky Leif is one of the best albums (if not _the_ best album) by Bob.

(c)IAO

                         D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Mon Dec 11 02:01:42 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:01:42 -0600
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.010142.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I agree that the Steve Swindells album is a bit Springsteenish in places,
"Figures of Authority" included, especially the piano melody..  Great song,
though.  It takes a few listens to get over the Springsteen comparisons,
though.  The lyrics are more relevant to me than anything Springsteen has ever
done.   Bitter and Twisted" is one of my favorite tracks.  reminds me of an ex
girlfriend...Didn't Roger Daltrey cover that track on one of his solo albums"?

starfield wrote:

> I bought Fresh Blood when it first came out, and I still play it. 'Figures
> of Authority' is a great number.
>
> Captain Bl at ck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Lennon <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: HW:Completists
>
> > In a message dated 12/10/00 9:16:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:
> > > the Swindells solo albums
> > >  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
> "Shot
> > >  > Down In The Night")
> >
> > sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
> worst
> > Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there was
> a
> > first. maybe that one is good?
> > bob
> >
> > Hawkwind: Time & Space Website
> > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html


From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 03:36:00 2000
From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:36:00 +0000
Subject: HW: Steve Swindells etc
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.083600.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> the Swindells solo albums
>  > (wouldn't mind having the second one w/all the Hawkwind members and
"Shot
>  > Down In The Night")

>sorry if this opinion isn't shared universally, but is this one of the
worst
>Lp's ever released or what? the 2nd? steve swindels, didn't know there
was a
>first. maybe that one is good?

Can't go along with that, I've a soft spot for the "Fresh Blood" album,
with Simon King and Huw on. There are plenty of MP3s from the album at
http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind/simonking.html

so you can make up your own mind.

>>Great to see a lot of the old crew at the Hawkestra gig. Where were the
=
>missing members?

>Simon King - didn't want to go

Not so, he's said he was away on business. If he'd been around I think he
would have at least walked on at the end for a wave etc.

Steve Litchfield


From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 03:36:00 2000
From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:36:00 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.083600.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.

What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
why?

To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
driving force (and fun).

Steve Litchfield


From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 03:58:39 2000
From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:58:39 -0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.085839.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Jon wrote:

>        How entirely confusing. After Keith Hale left in 1980 there was no
>new keyboardist until Frederick Reeves the Earl of Essex in 1983, because
>as Dave says in the _Sonic Attack_ liner, "Harvey and me could do it". Or
>am I wrong? My initial conclusion would be that whoever this extra member
>was he was so awful that Dave decided they'd be better off without a
>keyboard player :-)

No, but according to Kris's "This Is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic", in mid-81 (in
the wake of Keith Hale & Ginger's  departure) "A friend of Huw's, Tim,
stepped in as keyboard player, but during rehearsals it gradually became
apparent that he, also, was not suitable". So maybe that's the one?

BTW, the "also" in this quote refers in part to one of the drummers they
were using during these rehearsals - Robbie Dobson (ex-Enid). Now there's a
thought - do the most dedicated of Completists feel the need to trawl
through the back catalogue of The Enid? Rather you than me..............

Dave

>> Tim Blake is there in the list of people who'd played keyboards etc with
>> them (along with Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Simon House, Paul Hayles, Steve
>> Swindells, Twink, Keith Hale, "and a new member being auditioned at
>> present").

>>  So, what I want to know is - who is the 'new member' mentioned? Yes, I
>> probably should be able to work it out, but can't due to brain user
error.


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec 11 04:26:24 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:56:24 +1030
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.195624.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'm gonna give you both!

Studio - for me - Motorway City off the Levitation Album because it was the
first song I ever heard from HAWKWIND and it just blew my sandals off at the
time (still does)
Its has an incredible energy - starts out relativly soft & mellow then
cruises along
then kicks in and takes off like an intense peak carries you along and then
gently brings you back in and sets you back down.......

Live - only once ever live - Brixton the whole night from start to finish -
I was mesmerised
- switched on and tuned in and having a ball!!!

I'm hooked baby!

Michael B
South Oz

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:06 PM
Subject: HW: finest moments


> Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
>
> What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
> can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
> of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
> why?
>
> To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
> Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
> driving force (and fun).
>
> Steve Litchfield


From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Mon Dec 11 04:38:58 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:38:58 +0100
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <memo.20001211083618.1015J@slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.103858.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

> What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or
> studio)?

It must have been about 10 years ago. I was lying on bed, a spliff in
myhand, an my just bought Space Ritual album on the turntable (or a
copy of it in my tape recorder). When Sonic Attack hit me from
behind. I felt like i was going on a trip, and would never come back
again...

...you can help no one else...

...think only of yourself...

...I got up, to turn the music off and then came Time We Left. I sank
back. Felt the relaxation coming back.. and fell back into good
memories.

I was hooked _forever_

--BArt


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 06:50:00 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 06:50:00 -0500
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.065000.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:25:44 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
<andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:

>sorry - I meant backtracking in a humorous way not a serious way - no
>offence caused I hope.

None taken- I didn't think you were being entirely serious.

Re. Supergrass: funnily enough I saw some video footage of them live at
Glastonbury the other night (a mate of mine likes them) and I have to say
they do have a pretty powerful live sound. But I found that big hit of
theirs ("we are young, we are free..") so irritating that I still find it
hard to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec 11 06:27:18 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:27:18 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <6e.5ae2f2a.27629fef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.072718.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 15:34, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 12/8/00 10:21:52 AM, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes:
>
> <<  And the Dictators.  All were Pearlman/Krugman
> groups. >>
> =====
> um...i dont think so.
>
> comments?
Hate to disagree with <>, but the Dictators were indeed a
Pearlman/Krugman act, at least to start...

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec 11 06:33:22 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:33:22 EDT
Subject: OFF : Smile
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001208143159.009e56d0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.073322.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 8 Dec 00, at 14:31, Doug Pearson wrote:

> ... allegedly the absolute worst-selling music album from the pre-Sony
> CBS/Columbia/Epic/etc. conglomerate was the Hampton Grease Band's
> 'Music To Eat' (second-worst seller overall, behind a
> spoken-word/poetry/nature sounds/comedy or something along those lines
> album).
>

I've never heard this one, but I'm a big fan of Col. [ret.] Hampton's
work with Aquarium Rescue Unit.  In fact I think BOC-Lers [some of
'em, anyway] would probably dig ARU.  Worthwhile for the work of
bassist Oteil Burbridge and guitarist Jimmy Herring, who are both
virtuosos.  And the Col. is really a great singer, depending upon
whether you dig the material...

theo


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Mon Dec 11 08:04:55 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:04:55 +0000
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.130455.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

        (Forwarded from Scott Heller)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:28:50 +0100
From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at novonordisk.com>
To: 'Jon Jarrett' <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
Subject: RE: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar

I am looked out of the list at the moment. The deal with darxtar is that the
band got the contract voided and the material back. Delerium will not
release the CD. I will findout from Soren what is happening. You can tell
people on the list.

Richard from delerium said that band was going to release it themselves, he
thought.

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 09:13:41 2000
From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:13:41 +0000
Subject: wierd cd's surprise
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.141341.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

bedroom trancer wrote:

> pop into MR CD opposite Selatadisc on Berwick Street, London to get a
> pleasant surprise!!! :-)

Errmmm.....like there's none on display??
Just popped in there. All I could find were 'Stasis', 'Epoch Eclipse'
and 'Live Chronicles'.

Keef


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 09:39:20 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:39:20 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <memo.20001211083618.1015J@slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.143920.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <memo.20001211083618.1015J at slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>,
Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK> writes
>Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
>
>What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
>can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
>of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
>why?
>
>To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
>Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
>driving force (and fun).
>
>Steve Litchfield

Interesting question.

If I had to whittle it down to a single magic moment, it'd be the sudden key
change about 2/3 of the way through Golden Void (studio version).

Other Great Hawkwind Moments:

The superlative jamming on the Space Ritual version of Orgone
Accumulator.

The start of Born To Go as you say- haven't heard that version but Space
Ritual one is pretty damn wonderful

The riff of Treadmill.

Harvey's keyboard solo on the Palace Springs version of 'Void'.

Simon House's violin solo on Robot

Simon House's violin solo on Damnation Alley

and not forgetting Simon House's violin solo on Steppenwolf.

Lemmy's bass solo on Time We Left

Calvert: should possibly have his own section here, some of his vocal
phrasings just get me every time... check out the way he sings "..rip up the
pages of di-rec-tor-ies.." on High Rise for a fine example.

Huw's guitar playing on the live "Assault and Battery/Sleep of a 1000 Tears"
medley on Independent Days 2.

Dave Brock has produced some brilliant guitar solos too- the live versions of
Paradox and Damnation Alley spring to mind.

The more I ponder this, the more things come to mind, but I'll leave it
there.. for now..

--
Nick Medford


From kkusic at EXECPC.COM  Mon Dec 11 09:44:12 2000
From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:44:12 -0600
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.084412.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Spliff?   Aaahhh . . .  Learned a new word!  ;)

Main Entry: spliff
Pronunciation: 'splif
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1936
: JOINT 4

Bart Brugmans wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or
> > studio)?
>
> It must have been about 10 years ago. I was lying on bed, a spliff in
> myhand, an my just bought Space Ritual album on the turntable (or a
> copy of it in my tape recorder). When Sonic Attack hit me from
> behind. I felt like i was going on a trip, and would never come back
> again...
>
> ...you can help no one else...
>
> ...think only of yourself...
>
> ...I got up, to turn the music off and then came Time We Left. I sank
> back. Felt the relaxation coming back.. and fell back into good
> memories.
>
> I was hooked _forever_
>
> --BArt

--
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
- Frank Zappa


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec 11 09:47:16 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:47:16 GMT
Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:58:42 -0600
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.144716.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin Komins writes:

> ...and in fun science fiction/horror notes, F. Paul Wilson has a decent
> Repairman Jack novel out (Conspiracies) about Tesla's work on broadcast
> power...

His Lanague Chronicles is well worth reading too. The best part went as
"An Enemy of the State".

FoFP


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 10:00:43 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:00:43 +0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
In-Reply-To: <005701c06350$950d8a80$453b70c2@merlinas>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.150043.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <005701c06350$950d8a80$453b70c2 at merlinas>, David
Bottomley <merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK> writes
>
>BTW, the "also" in this quote refers in part to one of the drummers they
>were using during these rehearsals - Robbie Dobson (ex-Enid). Now there's a
>thought - do the most dedicated of Completists feel the need to trawl
>through the back catalogue of The Enid? Rather you than me..............
>
>Dave
>

I'll admit it - I used to be really into the Enid (youthful folly, m'lud). From
memory Robbie Dobson is only on 2 albums- 'In the Region of the Summer
Stars' and 'Six Pieces', but I'm not about to rummage through the attic for
the albums to check. Possibly he's on some compilations too. FWIW it's
worth I think the stuff they did with a full band is OK-ish, the stuff post-
1980 when they were down to duo or trio mostly stinks.

A few months ago I was amazed to stumble across an Enid website and even
more amazed to discover that the band still exists. Robert John Godfrey
evidently reformed the band with an all-new supporting cast. I was surprised
-to say the least- as I distinctly remember attending their "farewell gigs" at
the Dominion Theatre sometime in the late 80s! Around that time I was
going off them in a big way and they're definitely a band that fell by the
wayside as far as my personal tastes go.

<rant> Anyway examination of the website reveals that RJG is every bit as
pretentious and self-pitying as he always was, that the sound samples of their
more recent output sound exactly like the stuff on their 80s albums, and,
worst of all, that RJG has seen fit to put up a page of info about ex-members
where we get things like "X- didn't have the fortitude to be in a band that
wasn't commercially successful" or "Z- left the band to move to Ireland,
since then dogged by drink problems and mental illness".  If this is true a)
to mention it as part of a snide personal attack is about as cheap as it gets,
and b) what the hell is sensitive personal stuff like that doing on a public
website- you can be sure he didn't ask the guy's permission! </rant>

What a thoroughly unpleasant man he must be.
--
Nick Medford


From Rocker22 at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 10:18:47 2000
From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:18:47 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.101847.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/08/2000 6:30:31 PM Central Standard Time,
andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:


> yes - but where is the CD of 'Manifest destiny' - "Science Gone To Far" -
>

Manifest Destiny and Bloodbrothers were not on the Sony label.  They moved to
Asylum Records (I think) after Go Girl Crazy.

Ric
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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon Dec 11 12:01:10 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:01:10 -0600
Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
In-Reply-To: <200012111447.OAA28193@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.110110.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, M Holmes wrote:

:Subject: Re: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
:
:Arin Komins writes:
:
:> ...and in fun science fiction/horror notes, F. Paul Wilson has a decent
:> Repairman Jack novel out (Conspiracies) about Tesla's work on broadcast
:> power...
:
:His Lanague Chronicles is well worth reading too. The best part went as
:"An Enemy of the State".

Agreed.  These are now available together in an omnibus volume
(_The LaNague Chronicles_), or if you want to find them in individual
novels:

_Healer_
_Wheels Within Wheels_
_An Enemy of the State_

(also recommended would be the first of the advesary cycle, _The Keep_.
The rest weren't worth it, but the first one was quite good.)

Arin
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From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Mon Dec 11 12:11:44 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:11:44 -0000
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.171144.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 12:31:59 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:31:59 EST
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.123159.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

.....and nurses with oxygen tanks will be standing by...

"<>"


From vincentr at COGNOS.COM  Mon Dec 11 12:46:48 2000
From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:46:48 -0500
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
In-Reply-To: <28.e4bada9.2766698f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.124648.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> .....and nurses with oxygen tanks will be standing by...

Err, Queen? Creedence Clearwater Revival? Sounds a bit fishy to me, as I
can't imagine the surviving members of Queen reassembling under that name,
and the surviving members of CCR weren't speaking to each other last I
heard.

Rob THV

Elijah Snow : It's a strange world
Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way
        Planetary #1


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec 11 12:18:46 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:18:46 EDT
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
In-Reply-To: <28.e4bada9.2766698f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.131846.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 11 Dec 00, at 12:31, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> .....and nurses with oxygen tanks will be standing by...
>
> "<>"

How did BOC miss this one?  They've played wheezer-fests with
almost everyone mentioned in the lineup.  But I'd still go to this one, if
I could swing it...

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Mon Dec 11 12:22:17 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:22:17 EDT
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.4.10.10012111245270.2094-100000@sirius>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.132217.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 11 Dec 00, at 12:46, Rob Vincent wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > .....and nurses with oxygen tanks will be standing by...
>
> Err, Queen? Creedence Clearwater Revival? Sounds a bit fishy to me, as
> I can't imagine the surviving members of Queen reassembling under that
> name, and the surviving members of CCR weren't speaking to each other
> last I heard.

Heh, maybe it was Queensryche, and the dude was too tired to finish
typing the name?  As for CCR, the rest of the guys minus-Fogerty
[yeah, right] have been playing for a while as Creedence Clearwater
Revisited.  Must be that's who's playing.  That would be like a band
going on the road without Dave Brock and calling itself
Hawkwind...hey, hasn't that already happened?

theo


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 14:51:18 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:51:18 -0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.195118.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

"Caught By The Fuzz" is much better and funnier

Dave
>Re. Supergrass: funnily enough I saw some video footage of them live at
>Glastonbury the other night (a mate of mine likes them) and I have to say
>they do have a pretty powerful live sound. But I found that big hit of
>theirs ("we are young, we are free..") so irritating that I still find it
>hard to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.
>


From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 15:01:30 2000
From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:01:30 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <000f01c06354$6f301a40$72cb223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.200130.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

These things are always fun...

No question: Steppenwolf, especially the middle section. Its one of the few
pieces of music where I melt through the floorboards.

Others:

The guitar gliss into the main riff of Damnation Alley.

The phased/flanged intro, drum roll and crash into the riff of the PXR5
version of Uncle Sam.

The bass guitar during the chorus of Mirror of Illusion.

The modulation back to the original key towards the end of (studio) Motorway
City.

A typical brilliant DB economy is the CoH Nuclear Drive where an entire song
is just one repeated pumping chord.

The synth swoop into that crashing riff of Dust Of Time then of course there
is Huw's brilliant solo.

The lyric "Nostrils flare ..." from Angels of Death.

The lyrics for QS&C.

The Orgone Accumulator riff intro as it should be heard (ie: SR2).

Moonglum.

The up-tempo section of Children of the Sun.

How could I forget... Urban Guerilla.

The silence between the tracks on IITBOTFTBD.

The lyric "Put stripes on the stars" from Uncle Sam.

Dave's brilliant "walk-about" solo from the Camden Music Machine gig (1977)
in Uncle Sam (again!).

Uncle Sam again... PXR5 version... about the point of the lyric "He's
looking for a life", Dave switches his rhythm guitar from syncopated to
bouncing on the beat - really shifts the intensity.

The bass work in High Rise.

Most refined studio album: Levitation.

The ability of DB to write so many different songs based on the same riff.

The bleak and desolate but incredibly powerful version of Golden Void as
performed at Hammersmith in December 1988.

Live versions of Utopia.

This could go on forever...

Mark

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:06 PM
> Subject: HW: finest moments
>
>
> > Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
> >
> > What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or
> studio)? It
> > can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album.
> i.e. what bit
> > of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
> > why?
> >
> > To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
> > Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
> > driving force (and fun).
> >
> > Steve Litchfield


From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 15:01:28 2000
From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:01:28 -0000
Subject: wierd cd's surprise
In-Reply-To: <3A34E115.872DAC7C@cinesite.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.200128.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Keith Barton
> Sent: 11 December 2000 14:14
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: wierd cd's surprise
>
>
> bedroom trancer wrote:
>
> > pop into MR CD opposite Selatadisc on Berwick Street, London to get a
> > pleasant surprise!!! :-)
>
> Errmmm.....like there's none on display??
> Just popped in there. All I could find were 'Stasis', 'Epoch Eclipse'
> and 'Live Chronicles'.
>
> Keef

Errrr.... like it was closed? (As of 10:30 Monday morning).

Mark


From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 15:01:31 2000
From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:01:31 -0000
Subject: atomhenge
In-Reply-To: <003901c0630b$40756780$9d64883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.200131.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Please can you add me too as I haven't seen Atomhenge either.

<mmje at mmje.demon.co.uk>

Many thanks,

Mark Edmonds

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of bedroom trancer
> Sent: 11 December 2000 00:42
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: atomhenge
>
>
> well it may be out but i aint seen it anywhere
> seen all the wierd cd's though
>
> if i'm not on the mailing list andy(can't remember if i am or not), then
> please put me on it.
>
> cheers
>
> colm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Date: 10 December 2000 00:25
> Subject: Re: atomhenge
>
>
> >not you as well - been out for a while squire - are you not on the CD
> >Services catalogue mail-out list???
> >Andy Garibaldi.
> >andygee at dial.pipex.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
> >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:44 PM
> >Subject: atomhenge
> >
> >
> >> when is this coming out on cd?
> >>
> >>
> >> colm
> >


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Mon Dec 11 15:19:05 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:19:05 -0800
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.121905.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Ok, paring it down to 1 studio and 1 live.....

Studio - the bass organ riff and violin solo in Damnnation Alley. I've
always loved that line, and it's a standard one for me to use when I
check out sounds on a new keyboard/module. Got to play it on a huge
pipe organ once, woah!

Live - has to be the California Brainstorm show, but I just can't decide
between 2 moments in the show. One was when Bridget was doing this
swirly dance thing with light-up juggling clubs; I can't even remember
what song this was during, it was just so trippy. The other, and most
proably the winner, was Bridget's tortured 'spoken' intro to Ejection.
I was right up against the stage almost in front of her, and the overall
effect of the music, lights, and her vocal just sent serious chills up
and down my spine.


scorch


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Mon Dec 11 15:36:50 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:36:50 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.153650.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Scorch said...

>Live - has to be the California Brainstorm show, but I just can't decide
>between 2 moments in the show. One was when Bridget was doing this
>swirly dance thing with light-up juggling clubs; I can't even remember
>what song this was during,

"Snake Dance," which was much cooler live than on the Tepee album.

My choice is the transition phase between the studio A&B and Golden Void.
The screeching synth goes way over the top (recording-wise) and gets into
distortion territory (which under normal circumstances I would hate), but
that's part of the magic of this piece for some strange reason.  It's the
resolution, though, into the crunchy GV riff by Brock that is totally
irresistable.

An easy choice I suspect...

Grakkl (FAA)


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Mon Dec 11 16:22:27 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:22:27 -0000
Subject: wierd cd's surprise
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.212227.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ok ok ok
well i suppose in my own candid way i was hinting that you could get the
wierd cd's really cheap from this shop(7 pounds each to be exact!) . I
bought three of them myself on saturday morning and when i left there was at
least 3 others left on sale. Someone must have bought them later in the day.
Hopefully they will get some more in soon. If i see them again for this
pricve i'll let you all know.
oh yeah by the way they have one of the 25 years on griffin cd's for 7
pounds downstairs too. I think its the one with the ship from hall of of the
mountain grill on its cover. and they had plenty of copies of that if i
remember rightly.


colm


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Edmonds <mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 11 December 2000 20:15
Subject: Re: wierd cd's surprise


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
>> Behalf Of Keith Barton
>> Sent: 11 December 2000 14:14
>> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>> Subject: Re: wierd cd's surprise
>>
>>
>> bedroom trancer wrote:
>>
>> > pop into MR CD opposite Selatadisc on Berwick Street, London to get a
>> > pleasant surprise!!! :-)
>>
>> Errmmm.....like there's none on display??
>> Just popped in there. All I could find were 'Stasis', 'Epoch Eclipse'
>> and 'Live Chronicles'.
>>
>> Keef
>
>Errrr.... like it was closed? (As of 10:30 Monday morning).
>
>Mark
>


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 16:43:47 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:43:47 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.164347.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/11/00 3:45:35 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes:

<< My choice is the transition phase between the studio A&B and Golden Void.
>>
====
wrought by an edit; it wasnt nonstop in the studio, which explains that big
old gong crash, to cover their tracks...

heh- get it? _tracks_?

classic, nonetheless....

"<>"


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Mon Dec 11 17:13:57 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Val Vx)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:13:57 -0500
Subject: HW: UPDATES
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.171357.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS
UPDATES NOW ON MISSION CONTROL
PASSPORTS/MIKE MOORCOCK/NEWS AND SNIPPETS
++MESSAGE ENDS


From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec 11 17:00:54 2000
From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:00:54 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <200012112045.PAA01548@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.220054.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 15:36 11/12/00, K Henderson wrote:
>My choice is the transition phase between the studio A&B and Golden Void.

I would pick that one for my studio entry, but since Keith's already
mentioned it, I'll choose another.  "Wave upon wave", on CD repeat for up
to half-an-hour at a time.

Live:  Bob singing Steppenwolf.  My first HW gig, in Bristol.  I'm not sure
which year it was -- probably 1977.


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 17:51:34 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:51:34 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.225134.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: XXX <boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> Some of the Hawkwind rooms will be double or twins.
> Peter the artist also would like a double room
>
> Has anyone approached the hotels yet?

I'm trying but work doesn't leave much time for such things and as
far as group reservations are concerned you can really only get a
sensible answer between the hours of 9-5.     Thistle Kensington
Park Hotel are charging ?116 for a single and ?138 for a double -
which I guess rules them out.   I had the wrong number written down
for Thistle Bloomsbury Hotel but will try again tomorrow.   I've
done a Yell.com search on "Thistle Hotel" and come up with 8 other
names so I'll call round them as well - if I get a chance (the
manager says he's going to be in to work late tomorrow so there may
be more opportunity than today....).

jill


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 17:54:52 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:54:52 EST
Subject: OFF: [not music] Whole lotta Tesla goin' on!
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.175452.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

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     Produced by New Voyage Communications in Washington, D.C., this new
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     bring Nikola Tesla's remarkable story to a broader audience than
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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon Dec 11 18:12:46 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:12:46 -0600
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c063c4$ec51d660$b0f6893e@jds>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.171246.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Jill Strobridge wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing
:
:I'm trying but work doesn't leave much time for such things and as
:far as group reservations are concerned you can really only get a
:sensible answer between the hours of 9-5.     Thistle Kensington
:Park Hotel are charging ?116 for a single and ?138 for a double -
:which I guess rules them out.   I had the wrong number written down
:for Thistle Bloomsbury Hotel but will try again tomorrow.   I've
:done a Yell.com search on "Thistle Hotel" and come up with 8 other
:names so I'll call round them as well - if I get a chance (the
:manager says he's going to be in to work late tomorrow so there may
:be more opportunity than today....).

Jill,

If it's any help, the Thistle web site (www.thistlehotels.co.uk)
has 0800 18 17 16 as a UK reservations number for the Bloomsbury.

I seem to recall that bloomsbury at thistlehotels.co.uk is the email
address, but I can't confirm that on the site, so you should probably
call anyway.

On this theme, from prior con experience, hotels frequently want
a down payment on meeting space ;-(

What kind of meeting space were we looking for?  ...and for what dates?

Arin
(coming from the usa, else I'd have volunteered to scout out places.)
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From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Mon Dec 11 18:41:36 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:41:36 -0600
Subject: HW: DEALING WITH DOUG AND THE DEVIL (ON)(WARRIOR RE
 DIMINISHED)
In-Reply-To: <001101c0704e$370c8020$cb60883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.174136.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 Dear Mr. Doug Pearson+ assosiates of spacecraft HAWKWIND elite.....

just now saw your post/ ball thrown to my court......usaual apologies to
you and my remaining friends as nobodys been scrapped...just me freshly
undead like so many times before........

The way my mind had cataloged and processed info taken in regarding the
finest psychedelic rock LP ever recorded in mankinds existence on this
earth so far....is that around the time of "WARRIOR"......The record
company (UA) was sued, and HAWKWIND were victorious, thus causing them to
be blacklisted in the industry.......if true...maybe this is part of why
they are so cool today and some of the LP's have been taken into deep space
by alien snipers (well..)



The truth really is however...that I am not capable of actually answering
your question proper.........


so I ramble on to say that as near as I can tell all the WARRIORS were
released on UNITED ARTISTS label with the exception of we USA folks, who
got ATCO....

So yeah!  what exactly IS the deal here????   ADRIAN PARR??????   STARRATS????

MAJOR FANS?????       Also I know that there is at least a record club
edition from USA on RCA, which I will pay someone big bucks for if you can
help replace my stolen copy?????????   you have to look at the label to
identify....it still says ATCO as well!!!

can anyone say if WARRIOR ever got put out ANYWHERE besides USA on a
differing label??????

furthermore I BEG YOU HARDCORE FANS WITH KNOWLEDE to tell me any details
about existing PRESS KITS on this LP (Not CD PRESS KITS)..from ENGLAND and
elsewhere....I am highly interested in this!!!!!!!......

EVEN MORE interesting IS....WHAT IS THE BRITISH WARRIOR OFFICIAL POSTER
FROM U.A. record company, and will anyone sell me one or trade it for
something???

does it have the 2 Warriors on it as I suspect???????????????????

And can't help to stick my neck way out and say that......since Dave Brock
has been coronated (he has, you know)....it is my contention that he can
put anything out on CD that he wants to when the mood so strikes him!!!!????

I have not much doubt that if you contact him at the height of the full
moon, and ask him in your best humble approach to release what you want
(I.E. HAWKLORDS, PXR5, ASTOUNDING, etc...)   your wish may come with very
swift wing.........

And lastly.....it is my guess that the WARRIOR wasn't put out with the EMI
releases on CD again, not only because of the label mystery weirdnesses,
and the UK tape erosions/thefts/losses/oversights, that maybe Dave held
back on that so as to let the magic of Rob Godwins special packaging shine
a little longer.....

I guess I would like A DIGIPAK version pretty soon....a mini LP CD cover
wouldn't be bad would it......it still won't peel me off my vinyl
though....but I'll buy multiples.........(with OPC, of course)(poor, poor
mom)


So Doug..(Pearson)...I am TRULY, VERY VERY VERY anxious to get the first
copy of the career your going to start...........PURE ENERGY
......UNCLOUDED!!!!!!

Please hurry the first release!!!!!!!!     MC




>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Date: 27 November 2000 19:39
>Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks)
>
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
>><andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>>>ah yes - Warrior....
>>>What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why
>>>'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like
>the
>>>rest, so where's the problem?
>>
>>Except that it wasn't *exactly* on UA.  I don't know what the precise
>>details were, but for some reason, the album seems to exist "outside" of
>>the five standard UA releases.  In the United States, it was released on
>>Atco, and I believe it came out on other labels elsewhere in the world
>>(it's UA in Europe, I know) - Mike C?
>>
>>Also, when the reissue on Griffin came out, I remember it had been noted
>>that EMI UK had lost the original UA master tape, and the reissue was
>>mastered from a safety master copy found in Atco's vaults in New York City.
>>
>>Neither of those explain why it's out of print (nor why core albums like
>>'Astounding Sounds', 'Quark', 'PXR5' and '25 Years On' are also unavailable
>>... while Castle runs of more remasters of also-rans like 'Palace Springs'
>>and 'IitFtbD'), but it shows that WHATEVER the story is, it's something
>>complicated.
>>
>>        -Doug
>>         ceres at sirius.com
>>













>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Date: 27 November 2000 19:39
>Subject: HW: Warrior reissue (was Re: OFF: Cranium rocks)
>
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:22:15 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
>><andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>>>ah yes - Warrior....
>>>What I would love to know, and for once I don't have the answer, is why
>>>'warrior' wasn't part of the EMI remaster series since it was on UA like
>the
>>>rest, so where's the problem?
>>
>>Except that it wasn't *exactly* on UA.  I don't know what the precise
>>details were, but for some reason, the album seems to exist "outside" of
>>the five standard UA releases.  In the United States, it was released on
>>Atco, and I believe it came out on other labels elsewhere in the world
>>(it's UA in Europe, I know) - Mike C?
>>
>>Also, when the reissue on Griffin came out, I remember it had been noted
>>that EMI UK had lost the original UA master tape, and the reissue was
>>mastered from a safety master copy found in Atco's vaults in New York City.
>>
>>Neither of those explain why it's out of print (nor why core albums like
>>'Astounding Sounds', 'Quark', 'PXR5' and '25 Years On' are also unavailable
>>... while Castle runs of more remasters of also-rans like 'Palace Springs'
>>and 'IitFtbD'), but it shows that WHATEVER the story is, it's something
>>complicated.
>>
>>        -Doug
>>         ceres at sirius.com
>>


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Mon Dec 11 19:15:14 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:15:14 -0500
Subject: HW: More completism
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.191514.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

actually, the copy of Radioactors I have in front of me has
Liz van Dort on vocals and Javier Fredes on congas -
no mention of Gilli Smythe anywhere.

also 'Radioactors' is one word too.....

curious.

Rx


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:01:57 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:01:57 -0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.000157.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

even more interesting here is that on the CD by Autumn, Robbie is listed and
heralded as 'Ex-Hawkwind' quite prominantly in the promo blurb and it's also
mentioned in the liner notes to the CD (which, despite the fact that it's
short-ish, is actually a rather decent instrumental prog-rock album, unlike
the Enid which I wouldn't recommend to my worst enemy but who, in case
anyone spots the anomaly, Dave here at CDS just adores).
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bottomley" <merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: HW: a question of past members


> BTW, the "also" in this quote refers in part to one of the drummers they
> were using during these rehearsals - Robbie Dobson (ex-Enid). Now there's
a
> thought - do the most dedicated of Completists feel the need to trawl
> through the back catalogue of The Enid? Rather you than me..............
>
> Dave
>


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:05:35 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:05:35 -0000
Subject: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.000535.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

does this put Dead Earnest back in the equation for consideration or not??
Do let me know, someone.....
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar (fwd)


>         (Forwarded from Scott Heller)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:28:50 +0100
> From: "SHLL (Scott Heller)" <shll at novonordisk.com>
> To: 'Jon Jarrett' <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
> Subject: RE: OFF: Arch Met & darXtar
>
> I am looked out of the list at the moment. The deal with darxtar is that
the
> band got the contract voided and the material back. Delerium will not
> release the CD. I will findout from Soren what is happening. You can tell
> people on the list.
>
> Richard from delerium said that band was going to release it themselves,
he
> thought.
>
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:16:32 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:16:32 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.001632.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

interestingly enough......that phrase again tonight......the definitive
version of the BBC Radio One In Concert Broadcast still hasn't appeared on
CD - the official one on Windsong is in mono, and the bootleg 'Space Rock
Live From London', while stereo, starts off with a weird mix whereby one of
the instruments is hardly evident and does not seem to be from the same
source even as the original Radio Broadcast (or if it is someone has done
some funny things to it) - if I want to hear this in all its glory, I still
play my tape of it, which incidentally was taped from a Canadian Radio
Broadcast of the same concert rather than the UK one, although still from
the transcription disc if I remember rightly. Years ago I suggested to Doug
Smith that this and the subseqquent BBC Radio One In Concert hour-long
broadcast in '88 would be prime candidates for CD issue, but nothing ever
happened and they fell into the same black hole of EBS as the Jack London CD
and the Brock '76-'96 (both of which I ended up with advance tape copies
and, no, they are not for copying - a condition of getting these things -
but that's just to say the music did exist) and the reissue programme for
the old ones, all of which actually were given EBS cat numbers too (and I've
got the sheet to prove it)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: HW: finest moments


> In message <memo.20001211083618.1015J at slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>,
> Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK> writes
> >Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
> >
> >What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)?
It
> >can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
> >of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
> >why?
> >
> >To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
> >Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
> >driving force (and fun).
> >
> >Steve Litchfield
>
> Interesting question.
>
> If I had to whittle it down to a single magic moment, it'd be the sudden
key
> change about 2/3 of the way through Golden Void (studio version).
>
> Other Great Hawkwind Moments:
>
> The superlative jamming on the Space Ritual version of Orgone
> Accumulator.
>
> The start of Born To Go as you say- haven't heard that version but Space
> Ritual one is pretty damn wonderful
>
> The riff of Treadmill.
>
> Harvey's keyboard solo on the Palace Springs version of 'Void'.
>
> Simon House's violin solo on Robot
>
> Simon House's violin solo on Damnation Alley
>
> and not forgetting Simon House's violin solo on Steppenwolf.
>
> Lemmy's bass solo on Time We Left
>
> Calvert: should possibly have his own section here, some of his vocal
> phrasings just get me every time... check out the way he sings "..rip up
the
> pages of di-rec-tor-ies.." on High Rise for a fine example.
>
> Huw's guitar playing on the live "Assault and Battery/Sleep of a 1000
Tears"
> medley on Independent Days 2.
>
> Dave Brock has produced some brilliant guitar solos too- the live versions
of
> Paradox and Damnation Alley spring to mind.
>
> The more I ponder this, the more things come to mind, but I'll leave it
> there.. for now..
>
> --
> Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:07:53 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:07:53 -0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.000753.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ah that's where I'm going wrong - I think that track and one other is all
I've heard by them - still there are other fish to fry of greater importance
right now......
Andy Garibaldi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover


> On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:25:44 -0000, ANDREW GARIBALDI
> <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>
> >sorry - I meant backtracking in a humorous way not a serious way - no
> >offence caused I hope.
>
> None taken- I didn't think you were being entirely serious.
>
> Re. Supergrass: funnily enough I saw some video footage of them live at
> Glastonbury the other night (a mate of mine likes them) and I have to say
> they do have a pretty powerful live sound. But I found that big hit of
> theirs ("we are young, we are free..") so irritating that I still find it
> hard to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:23:50 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:23:50 -0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.002350.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yeh - you got that right - one of only a handful of gigs I ever walked out
on was the Enid when RJG started 'preaching' to the audience halfway through
the concert, talking down to us as though we were the scum on his
shoes....you've never seen me leave a concert so fast and so angry....and
I'm a Libra, too (ultra laid-back).
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: HW: a question of past members



> >BTW, the "also" in this quote refers in part to one of the drummers they
> >were using during these rehearsals - Robbie Dobson (ex-Enid).
> What a thoroughly unpleasant man he must be.
> --
> Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:28:06 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:28:06 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.002806.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Gotta be the 'In Search Of Space' album version of 'You Shouldn't Do That'
from the synth intro through driving space-rock, albeit a tad subdued
compared to what was to follow in tyears to come, a bit of improv, more
space synth....just sensational....that and the opening riff to 'Master Of
The Universe' or the intro to 'Silver Machine', surely  two of the band's
trademark and finest song intros.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Litchfield" <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:36 AM
Subject: HW: finest moments


> Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
>
> What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
> can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
> of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
> why?
>
> To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
> Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
> driving force (and fun).
>
> Steve Litchfield


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec 11 19:19:19 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:49:19 +1030
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.104919.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

like to be there!!

mb


----- Original Message -----
From: Zeitgeist <stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:41 AM
Subject: OFF; Time to Move to Utah


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Wendover
> Airport in Utah: Bad Company, Joan Baez, Pat Benatar, Elvin Bishop,
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Three
> Dog Night, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Gary U.S. Bonds, Canned Heat, Chicago,
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Hornsby,
> Grand Funk Railroad, Kansas, Air Supply, Fleetwood Mac, Leon Russell,
> Santana, Iron Butterfly, Queen, Reo Speedwagon, Carole King, Rick
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>
>
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> http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151
>
>
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Mon Dec 11 19:19:28 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:19:28 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <001701c062ce$ea3e2460$0d6445c2@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.001928.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> The 'Thousand Days Of Yesterday' Captain Beyond Tribute features Five
> Fifteen with Nik Turner doing the title track. Also on the album are
> Pentagram, Rise & Shine, Standarte, Lotus w/ Brian Robertson, Flower Kings,
> Quill, Locomotive Breath, Zello, Orchid Leaves, Zoomlenz, Ooph & Abramis
> Brama.
> Verdict - a rather fine album that's probably way better than the original
> versions.

        Cheers for that, Andy. That seems to be as good a time as any to
say that the guest slot file and the combination discography I try to
maintain have been worked over afresh to include everything this
discussion has brought up of which I didn't previously know, and also to
include (I think) a almost-complete entry for Lemmy (bloody tribute
albums) and a fuller-but-almost-certainly-not complete one for Ginger
Baker. What I _haven't_ yet done is included the pre-Hawkwind items in
each person's history, though I have attempted to note their previous
bands. Before I start handing out copies again though (assuming anyone
wants them!) there are some questions I'd like to put to the list
regarding things I can't solve:

1) The discography in the BOC-L archives lists several items under Del
Dettmar as part of his Melodic Energy Commission period which their
current Xaliman-run homepage doesn't admit to: these are _Synthesis_,
_M=E/C^2_, and `Melody is Energy/Night Rhythm'; does anyone know if these
are actually MEC works or Del solo or what?

2) the same source lists a Calvert appearance on an LP called _Mazin
Ennet_ by a group called John Stevens Away. I can't find anything out
about this and suspect that whatever it was it was probably Mother Gong's
Bob Calvert on it rather than our one. This is a mistake which occurs
elsewhere in that file too. Can anyone confirm or refute my suspicion?

4) on a comp. called, I think, _The Best of Lemmy_, there are two tracks
by Lemmy and the Upsetters. One of them is a marvellous `Blue Suede
Shoes', but I can't remember what the other is. Does anyone know, and can
they tell me when these were recorded and whether they were issued
elsewhere before that comp.?

6) The _Great Rock Discography_ has a full track-list and personnel for
Pink Fairies _Out of the Blue and Into the Pink_ from 1995, but I can't
find a trace of it elsewhere. On the other hand I have found a Twink
Records comp of random 1974 - 1976 blues recordings by him and Mouse from
Magic Muscle (?) called _Out of the Pink and into the Blues_, which seems
to reference it. Or are they the same record? Has anyone seen the first
one?

7) The Moor with Nik Turner, _Flux_ - is it out and if so when did it get
so? Is it, out of interest, any good, and is it their material or the same
old fifteen Hawkwind songs Nik plays with whatever backing band he can
find?


--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:19:55 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:19:55 -0800
Subject: OFF: seasonal amusement
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.161955.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And now for something completely different (no, not that!)


A poem in Old English about Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer:


http://www.georgetown.edu/cball/oe/rudolph.html





scorch


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:35:07 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:35:07 -0000
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.003507.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yeh - I know that for 'Blood Brothers' but I thoguth 'Manifest' was Sony - I'll check the Rock Record at work tomorrow but I expect yuo are right.
Thanks,
Andy G'b.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:18 PM
  Subject: Re: OFF : Smile


  In a message dated 12/08/2000 6:30:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
  andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes: 



    yes - but where is the CD of 'Manifest destiny' - "Science Gone To Far" - 
    just awesome!!!! Come on Sony group - get the sucker out.


  Manifest Destiny and Bloodbrothers were not on the Sony label.  They moved to 
  Asylum Records (I think) after Go Girl Crazy.   

  Ric 
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:38:21 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:38:21 -0000
Subject: HW: DEALING WITH DOUG AND THE DEVIL (ON)(WARRIOR RE
 DIMINISHED)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.003821.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

all very well and good, but 'Warrior' was on the EBS release schedule in '98
so someone somewhere must have a source from which to manufacture it....
any news on my Delerium CD's, MIKe???
Andy G'b.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Coleman" <deltawave at METRONET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: HW: DEALING WITH DOUG AND THE DEVIL (ON)(WARRIOR RE DIMINISHED)


> Dear Mr. Doug Pearson+ assosiates of spacecraft HAWKWIND elite.....
>
 >>


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 11 19:41:56 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:41:56 -0000
Subject: atomhenge
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.004156.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

no-one has - it's not in the shops until January or thereabouts. but if
anyone wants the Weird Tapes, Family Tree, Atomhenge, Bass Ritual, Paradogs
and Spacebrock albums, they are all in stock at CDS now (and other fine mail
order retailers I am sure.)
Andy Garibaldi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Edmonds" <mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: atomhenge


> Please can you add me too as I haven't seen Atomhenge either.
>
> <mmje at mmje.demon.co.uk>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mark Edmonds
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> > Behalf Of bedroom trancer
> > Sent: 11 December 2000 00:42
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> > Subject: Re: atomhenge
> >
> >
> > well it may be out but i aint seen it anywhere
> > seen all the wierd cd's though
> >
> > if i'm not on the mailing list andy(can't remember if i am or not), then
> > please put me on it.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > colm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
> > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Date: 10 December 2000 00:25
> > Subject: Re: atomhenge
> >
> >
> > >not you as well - been out for a while squire - are you not on the CD
> > >Services catalogue mail-out list???
> > >Andy Garibaldi.
> > >andygee at dial.pipex.com
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
> > >To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 5:44 PM
> > >Subject: atomhenge
> > >
> > >
> > >> when is this coming out on cd?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> colm
> > >


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 19:28:05 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:28:05 +0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
In-Reply-To: <006c01c063d2$b42e7780$a218bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.002805.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <006c01c063d2$b42e7780$a218bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
>yeh - you got that right - one of only a handful of gigs I ever walked out
>on was the Enid when RJG started 'preaching' to the audience halfway through
>the concert, talking down to us as though we were the scum on his
>shoes....you've never seen me leave a concert so fast and so angry...

Tell me more! I'm curious- it's always interesting to reassess someone you
used to admire, once you're a bit older and wiser.

--
Nick Medford


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 19:36:55 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:36:55 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.003655.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Studio finest moments there are so many:
Master Of The Universe
Silver Machine (because if I hadn't heard this - who knows?)
the entire "Roadhawks" LP - especially side 2 (otherwise known as the "I'll
get you into this band ...." LP - I think EMI must owe me some dosh, the
number of people who got into the band (and bought vinyl, tickets, and
t-shirts after hearing this!)
S/Ritual Orgone Acc.
Lord Of Light from Doremi
the mellotrons on D-Rider
It's So Easy/You'd Better Believe It/Psych. Warlords
Brainbox Pollution (the ultimate pre-gig toon)
Assault and Battery intro
Magnu (the instrumental section)
Spirit of the Age (what can you say)
Damnation Alley (ya-hey air guitar, organ, and violin)
Forge Of Vulcan (play along on yer own anvil)
PXR5 (this should have been a single not a b-side of 25 years)
Motorway City (I first heard this on the car radio while parked at a
motorway service station - Tommy Vance interviewing Dave too)
Dust Of Time
Angels Of Death (the best track from the RCA years)
Moonglum (funnily enough it's the one track that sticks out in my memory
from the Black Sword tour)
Treadmill (is there a studio version of this?)
the Electric Tepee (most of it)
the Alien stuff (again most of it)
NEXT YEARS RELEASE!! C'MON GUYS GET IN THE STUDIO!!

Tomorrow the list will probably be different!

Live finest:
Brixton - all of it (by miles)
79 tour
Angels Of Death with slide show 81 to 82
Niks flute playing on that tour (and any show - but not sax natch)
Stonehenge 84
Black Sword
the return of Simon House (89?90?)
Manchester 94 (small venue standing about 4 foot from Dave Brock)
Ron Tree (but don't play the bass)

Live lows:
no Tim Blake on Levitation tour
Castle Donnington
the gigs post Black Sword - 86 -88 (tired perhaps)
Bridgett (sorry)
Capt Rizz

The studio "stinkers" list

The Augergine That Ate Rangoon
Silver Machine (Live 79)
That Silver Machine/Psychedelic Warlords single (dear oh dear...oh dear -
why?)
Some of the dodgy tracks on Flicknife (quality control guru absent without
leave)
About half of the RCA output
Black Elk (back to the reservation with this - apologies to any Native
Americans on the list)
Most of Codex and Space  Bandits
Reggae versions of songs (at least not as bad as Geddy Lee!!)
Capt Rizz toasting

Over to you

Dave

(n/p Lee "Scratch" Perry Arkology Reel 1)


From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 19:37:21 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:37:21 +0000
Subject: HW: DEALING WITH DOUG AND THE DEVIL (ON)(WARRIOR RE
 DIMINISHED)
In-Reply-To: <v03007800b65b0a22bc1d@[207.170.105.177]>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.003721.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <v03007800b65b0a22bc1d@[207.170.105.177]>, Mike Coleman
<deltawave at METRONET.COM> writes

>furthermore I BEG YOU HARDCORE FANS WITH KNOWLEDE to tell me any details
>about existing PRESS KITS on this LP (Not CD PRESS KITS)..from ENGLAND and
>elsewhere....I am highly interested in this!!!!!!!......

Not sure if this is what you mean, but it was certainly promoted in some
record stores in the UK with a large (About 3 foot long) print of the
Hawkwind/cloud logo from the Warrior and Mountain Grill album sleeves,
and a 3d plastic version of the Doremi HW logo (About 2 foot by 14
inches, brown with gold lettering). I managed to get them at the time,
but couldn't get hold of the poster for Kings of Speed (IIRC, it was the
whole band in an open-top sports car)

--
David Blair


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 19:55:00 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:55:00 -0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.005500.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who were brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps (courtesy of the scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and clinging to some scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in agony, my mate was chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started up....horrible, horrible....I couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having recovered slightly I returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about finished me off. Bad feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the dawn gig.

Thought I'd share that with you

Dave
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From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Mon Dec 11 20:14:00 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:14:00 -0600
Subject: HW: DANGER ANDY G!!!!!!!!!!!(the fall and RISE of)
In-Reply-To: <006b01c063d2$b1877360$a218bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.191400.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 While I owe you the HUGE apology and an extra favor from the STATES
ANDE!....it doesn't mean that if you don't stop teasing us with what you
have got that wont be supplied to your loyal supporting cast......that I'm
not grabbin' my secret British friend now emigrated, who will aid me to
cat-burgle ala Batman and Robin.....only 2 catmen, NO robin.....you'd have
to add another b.....


OH FOR THE RECORD....in some deleted forgotten email.....I now realize that
in order to visualize a 777 airplane dump....it would be Potty, or in fact,
pluralized it would be potties...........but NOT interchangeable as in
HIPPY or HIPPIE....which is all down to your choice......(I prefer the
former).....


So MIKE HOLMES......I guess after I swipe the cassettes, I'll be straight
over at the vacation property, so bring your CD burner!!!!!   but please
send the key straightaway!!!!!!!   directions too!!!!


Now Andy .....you know your a superior......but it's a thought.....ONLY a
thought....

you could take me.....me lungs all blackened and my fairground lights only
flicker on and off........for a moment or 2.......M C no E


  all dark and dead................












>interestingly enough......that phrase again tonight......the definitive
>version of the BBC Radio One In Concert Broadcast still hasn't appeared on
>CD - the official one on Windsong is in mono, and the bootleg 'Space Rock
>Live From London', while stereo, starts off with a weird mix whereby one of
>the instruments is hardly evident and does not seem to be from the same
>source even as the original Radio Broadcast (or if it is someone has done
>some funny things to it) - if I want to hear this in all its glory, I still
>play my tape of it, which incidentally was taped from a Canadian Radio
>Broadcast of the same concert rather than the UK one, although still from
>the transcription disc if I remember rightly. Years ago I suggested to Doug
>Smith that this and the subseqquent BBC Radio One In Concert hour-long
>broadcast in '88 would be prime candidates for CD issue, but nothing ever
>happened and they fell into the same black hole of EBS as the Jack London CD
>and the Brock '76-'96 (both of which I ended up with advance tape copies
>and, no, they are not for copying - a condition of getting these things -
>but that's just to say the music did exist) and the reissue programme for
>the old ones, all of which actually were given EBS cat numbers too (and I've
>got the sheet to prove it)
>Andy Garibaldi.













>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:39 PM
>Subject: Re: HW: finest moments
>
>
>> In message <memo.20001211083618.1015J at slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>,
>> Steve Litchfield <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK> writes
>> >Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.
>> >
>> >What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)?
>It
>> >can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
>> >of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
>> >why?
>> >
>> >To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
>> >Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
>> >driving force (and fun).
>> >
>> >Steve Litchfield
>>
>> Interesting question.
>>
>> If I had to whittle it down to a single magic moment, it'd be the sudden
>key
>> change about 2/3 of the way through Golden Void (studio version).
>>
>> Other Great Hawkwind Moments:
>>
>> The superlative jamming on the Space Ritual version of Orgone
>> Accumulator.
>>
>> The start of Born To Go as you say- haven't heard that version but Space
>> Ritual one is pretty damn wonderful
>>
>> The riff of Treadmill.
>>
>> Harvey's keyboard solo on the Palace Springs version of 'Void'.
>>
>> Simon House's violin solo on Robot
>>
>> Simon House's violin solo on Damnation Alley
>>
>> and not forgetting Simon House's violin solo on Steppenwolf.
>>
>> Lemmy's bass solo on Time We Left
>>
>> Calvert: should possibly have his own section here, some of his vocal
>> phrasings just get me every time... check out the way he sings "..rip up
>the
>> pages of di-rec-tor-ies.." on High Rise for a fine example.
>>
>> Huw's guitar playing on the live "Assault and Battery/Sleep of a 1000
>Tears"
>> medley on Independent Days 2.
>>
>> Dave Brock has produced some brilliant guitar solos too- the live versions
>of
>> Paradox and Damnation Alley spring to mind.
>>
>> The more I ponder this, the more things come to mind, but I'll leave it
>> there.. for now..
>>
>> --
>> Nick Medford


From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM  Mon Dec 11 20:33:05 2000
From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:33:05 -0600
Subject: HW:  Star Nation
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.193305.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Has anybody got a confirmation from Andy G about the Star Nation thing yet?
I got the email about a week ago that all those whose orders arrived first
would get first chance at the cds, and that they would be personally
emailed.

I sent my credit card details almost 4 months ago, and I'm hoping I'm one of
the ones who will not miss out on this.  But not being sure if anybody else
has been contacted yet, it's hard to say.

Hope all turns out well...

Bryan Young


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 20:31:10 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:31:10 EST
Subject: OFF : Smile
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.203110.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/11/00 7:21:18 PM, andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM writes:

<< but I thought 'Manifest' was Sony >>
===
asylum.....

"<>"


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Mon Dec 11 20:38:10 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:38:10 EST
Subject: HW: DEALING WITH DOUG AND THE DEVIL (ON)(WARRIOR RE
 DIMINISHED)
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.203810.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/11/00 6:40:54 PM, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes:

<<
so I ramble on to say that as near as I can tell all the WARRIORS were
released on UNITED ARTISTS label with the exception of we USA folks, who
got ATCO....
 >>
=====
hi mike,

dunno about the lawsuit stuff, but HW, amon duul II, and can left UA all at
the same time, in terms of the us releases. HW and ADII would end up on atco;
the latter put out at least 2 lp's on atco, whilst there was no more HW in
the states until 'quark'.

"<>"


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Mon Dec 11 20:59:06 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:59:06 -0600
Subject: HW: More completism and THE MC--(prescription needs filling)
In-Reply-To: <200012120015.TAA07510@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.195906.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>actually, the copy of Radioactors I have in front of me has
>Liz van Dort on vocals and Javier Fredes on congas -
>no mention of Gilli Smythe anywhere.
>
>also 'Radioactors' is one word too.....
>
>curious.
>
>Rx

 Please explain the above as I am too much in need of paying debts to go
dig my copies of the single out, or dig in previous emails.......I have the
original on NUKE/VIRGIN....plus British reissue, then another British
reissue.....(on Charly),THEN a German issue(re?)       ,,.,,have Sting in
the Tin, then another Sting in a blue colored tin, then another Sting in a
jewel case........but somehow I still don't feel I have the one you
mention..........is there a joke or something i'm missing ?????

Do you refer to imposters?????


also......any possibility of my getting a passport.......even though I
can't afford to come back over due to high holiday rates...personal danger
due to debts/unpopularity.......could you help me convice Dave that my
promo copy of the double spanish FLICKNIFE comp LP on VICTORIA will impress
vistors more if the passports still match artistically, and I store it with
the record in a japaneese sleeve until I regain might........by the reign
of night......M(D)C


From jperkins at MAILCITY.COM  Mon Dec 11 22:26:25 2000
From: jperkins at MAILCITY.COM (Jeff P)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:26:25 -0500
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.222625.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Synthesis was a Del solo tape after he had finished with Melodic Energy
Commission.
M=E/C^2 was a MEC album.
Melody Is Energy was an MEC track,  so that w Night Rhythm must have been a
single.

Jeff


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 11 22:36:38 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:36:38 +0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
In-Reply-To: <004701c063d6$28aab080$4e51893e@default>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.033638.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <004701c063d6$28aab080$4e51893e at default>, david hall
<dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK> writes
>    I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who were
>    brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps (courtesy of the
>    scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and clinging to some
>    scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in agony, my mate was
>    chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started up....horrible, horrible....I
>    couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having recovered slightly I
>    returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about finished me off. Bad
>    feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the dawn gig.
>
>    Thought I'd share that with you
>
Most touching.

Believe it or not (I can't!) I saw them live somewhere between 10 and 15
times- can't remember exactly, a protective veil has descended over my
memory. I even went to a couple of the mini-festivals they used to hold on
their farm in Suffolk.  I would've been about 16. Even at that age I
remember having my doubts- I remember RJG used to send out these
communiqu?s to members of the fan club (which was called The Stand for
some typically pretentious reason) and in one he opined "...I think at the
moment of my birth, my heart must have been brushed by the wings of an
archangel" which brought on abdominal cramps even then. Other letters to
the fans were little more than pleas for cash, albeit couched in flowery
language.

The one thing for which I still think they deserve respect is that for a while
they took on the music business and won- living on the farm with its own
studio and financing the whole process of getting the records out and in the
shops, all done on a shoestring. Around this time they came across as
admirable English eccentric outsiders -they even used to print their own
tabloid "The Enid"- logo stolen from The Sun- with scurrilous tales of evil-
doing in the record industry. Still I won't attempt to defend the dreadful
music they made in the 80s (although I really liked some of it at the time).

--
Nick Medford


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Mon Dec 11 23:43:31 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:43:31 -0600
Subject: HW:---More Blah Blah
In-Reply-To: <200012120326.WAA09950@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.2000.224331.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Synthesis was a Del solo tape after he had finished with Melodic Energy
>Commission.
>M=E/C^2 was a MEC album.
>Melody Is Energy was an MEC track,  so that w Night Rhythm must have been a
>single.
>
>Jeff


 Forgive me........I'll do some private apologies to the likes of Larry,
Andy(not Ande)..sorry I keep doing that, JD,
etc..........SOON...........rather than keep public  frothing



I hope I am not actually seriously causing anyone anger with my frequency
and personal gaga............


The "Night Rhythm" 45 mentioned below is really cool gatefold sleeve, and
the tracks are superb, however if your looking for the HW connection,
you'll be relieved to hear there is NO DELATRON, nor DEL...............Don
Xaliman is presently gathering his energies and preparing to throw them at
us.........I am excited, as recent plays found me discovering greater
buried magic within the tunes.........

1) The discography in the BOC-L archives lists several items under Del
Dettmar as part of his Melodic Energy Commission period which their
current Xaliman-run homepage doesn't admit to: these are _Synthesis_,
_M=E/C^2_, and `Melody is Energy/Night Rhythm'; does anyone know if these
are actually MEC works or Del solo

2) the same source lists a Calvert appearance on an LP called _Mazin
Ennet_ by a group called John Stevens Away. I can't find anything out
about this and suspect that whatever it was it was probably Mother Gong's
Bob Calvert on it rather than our one. This is a mistake which occurs
elsewhere in that file too. Can anyone confirm or refute my suspicion?

That DAMNED other Bob Calvert!!!!!!!!!!!!         I love certain Gong
releases, but the trouble that name has caused..........like driving
CATAPILLA Lp's way up, because everyone insists it's the BOB???   it IS the
other Bob isn't it??????

Not to mention comming home with the "Invisible Opera Company Of Tibet",
looking at that gorgeous sleeve, all excited to trip with Calvert, and it
sucked so bad It must have made me spit up Beer foam......(sorry Bob
Lennon, fellow Allen Shamanic realizers.......) YUCK!!!!!!!!

4) on a comp. called, I think, _The Best of Lemmy_, there are two tracks
by Lemmy and the Upsetters. One of them is a marvellous `Blue Suede
Shoes', but I can't remember what the other is. Does anyone know, and can
they tell me when these were recorded and whether they were issued
elsewhere before that comp.

The other track is "Paradise"....which, opinion on table, if anything IAN
could
smell of fish....this could....need strong brew and loudspeakers to
compensate......"Blue Suede Ufoshoes" is a smoker, and sure inspires me to
get some blinking footgear..........the tracks (I THINK) are both on a CD
called the "Last Temptation Of Elvis" by Mick Green and the PIRATES....if
anyone cares to blast me for improper info...do so....but sell me your
copy....PLEASE!!!!???


6) The _Great Rock Discography_ has a full track-list and personnel for
Pink Fairies _Out of the Blue and Into the Pink_ from 1995, but I can't
find a trace of it elsewhere. On the other hand I have found a Twink
Records comp of random 1974 - 1976 blues recordings by him and Mouse from
Magic Muscle (?) called _Out of the Pink and into the Blues_, which seems
to reference it. Or are they the same record? Has anyone seen the first
one?

Can't help.... Hawkwind stole my lunch-money....it's time for a Larry
Wallis fiXXX



7) The Moor with Nik Turner, _Flux_ - is it out and if so when did it get
so? Is it, out of interest, any good, and is it their material or the same
old fifteen Hawkwind songs Nik plays with whatever backing band he can
find?

 The FLUX CD came out a couple years ago......the answer to the above
is.....NIK is gonna get YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!    it's negative on that
recycler.......I just dug it out and it is on "Bishop Garden" label...the
tracks are...SUCK, BABY, BODY, STAY, BELL, SOON, TALK....can't recall which
ones have "Mr. Thistle"...must get more beer soon........but it is a
winner, as is the other release  "Every Pixie
sells a story"......cool band that DOES NOT SUCK!!!!!..........

The CD came out in 1996........god ...the
time.........AHHHHHHHHHH.......slipping............


--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Tue Dec 12 03:45:33 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:45:33 +0800
Subject: HW:  Star Nation
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.164533.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Me too. I'm not worried about the credit card details or when Star Nation
arrives as long as it arrives :-)
As they (who?) say, "The longer the wait, the greater the stone."
hehe

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Young" <blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: HW: Star Nation


> Has anybody got a confirmation from Andy G about the Star Nation thing
yet?
> I got the email about a week ago that all those whose orders arrived first
> would get first chance at the cds, and that they would be personally
> emailed.
>
> I sent my credit card details almost 4 months ago, and I'm hoping I'm one
of
> the ones who will not miss out on this.  But not being sure if anybody
else
> has been contacted yet, it's hard to say.
>
> Hope all turns out well...
>
> Bryan Young
>


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Tue Dec 12 02:09:50 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:09:50 -0600
Subject: HW-RE :(RX)(VX) relay.B-CY-ORG.BORG
In-Reply-To: <200012120015.TAA07510@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.010950.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>actually, the copy of Radioactors I have in front of me has
>Liz van Dort on vocals and Javier Fredes on congas -
>no mention of Gilli Smythe anywhere.
>
>also 'Radioactors' is one word too.....
>
>curious.
>
>Rx

OK....I figured out my confusion ordeal................the only "Proper"
Hawkwind connected RADIOACTOR tracks would be the original 2 tracks on the
45(s).......The CD version adds material of a "funny" nature......If I
recall these additions correct(ly)......if you border on suicidal, like me,
be very careful, seems like I thought of the garage, the car, and just what
quality means in a hose(wares).............

can anyone identify ALL!!!!  the vinyl 45's??????  there are at least 5
that I heard whispers of(some mix variations to boot) of which I sobbingly
only have 3.........

still desire a passport for fantasy..............Michael Michael Jet Black
Motorcycle..(no smiles...thank god)

PS-actually it would really all be down to Thunder Rider on just the 1 st
track...were we not to care about Hillage + gong crew......

and Gordon....even though THE POLICE is STEWARTS!!!!!!  and should reform
without him........

The MEGAMIX added to the CD seemed like it was of the quality of a
television relying on a poorly made aluminum foil antennae...........


                                           [ *** ]
PS---I have a stash of the CD in the silver tin can if anyone needs a
fixx.....it's not vinyl, so I should be able to get it to you within a 365
day frame or such.....if we trade something I send up
front..............mc(not THE)


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Tue Dec 12 06:01:17 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:01:17 -0600
Subject: HW STAR NATION..THE RX THE VX THE CYBORGnETIC RADIACTION
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.050117.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:52:52 -0600
>To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.ED
>From: deltawave at metronet.com
>Subject: RE:HW STAR NATION..THE RX THE VX THE CYBORGnETIC RADIACTION
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>
> tremendous apologies if the below already appeared....but it didn't come
>to me and whether I made a mistake or the listserver "hissed" at
>me.....another try with altered subject(ion)............
>
>have this to add......just got off the phone with the King,,(Andy..with a
>Y!!!)...and in the middle of my "I'm not worthies/I'm sorry Andy, I'm
>sorry Andy, should I look into creamatorial prices or a dump willing to
>take my carcass cheap"......I asked about the STAR NATION CD for the
>people wanting it(AND YOU DO WANT IT)....earlier I had to restrain from
>blabbing out not to worry...but then realized I must remember always that
>I am nothing....I had to suss.............but now I go on because he's a
>LIBRA, and he said (like I thought)...that your previous orders will
>fill....upon your time of thrill...and
>it's COOL MANNNNN..............also I know that Richard and Jerry have
>been in touch with Bob Lennon the other day asking for promotion,,,,so you
>know they want to sell you something, at least when they show up in a
>nearby darkened alleyway to be checkin' YOU OUT.........(can you feel my
>jealousy of BOB through the computer???).....I guess they have been in
>touch with all the fanzine people......
>
>          Later...Mike Cole Man
>
>actually, the copy of Radioactors I have in front of me has
>>Liz van Dort on vocals and Javier Fredes on congas -
>>no mention of Gilli Smythe anywhere.
>>
>>also 'Radioactors' is one word too.....
>>
>>curious.
>>
>>Rx
>
>OK....I figured out my confusion ordeal................the only "Proper"
>Hawkwind connected RADIOACTOR tracks would be the original 2 tracks on the
>45(s).......The CD version adds material of a "funny" nature......If I
>recall these additions correct(ly)......if you border on suicidal, like
>me, be very careful, seems like I thought of the garage, the car, and just
>what quality means in a hose(wares).............
>
>can anyone identify ALL!!!!  the vinyl 45's??????  there are at least 5
>that I heard whispers of(some mix variations to boot) of which I sobbingly
>only have 3.........
>
>still desire a passport for fantasy..............Michael Michael Jet Black
>Motorcycle..(no smiles...thank god)
>
>PS-actually it would really all be down to Thunder Rider on just the 1 st
>track...were we not to care about Hillage + gong crew......
>
>and Gordon....even though THE POLICE is STEWARTS!!!!!!  and should reform
>without him........
>
>The MEGAMIX added to the CD seemed like it was of the quality of a
>television relying on a poorly made aluminum foil antennae...........
>
>
>                                           [ *** ]
>PS---I have a stash of the CD in the silver tin can if anyone needs a
>fixx.....it's not vinyl, so I should be able to get it to you within a 365
>day frame or such.....if we trade something I'll front(it)......mc(not THE)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 12 05:58:39 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:58:39 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.055839.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

1."You'd Better Believe It"--Nik and House solos in mid-section
2."Hask Cake '77": all of it
3.during second half of "Space Is Deep" a keyboard goes
"Wheeeeeeewwwwwwwawwwww" out of nowhere, as if things weren't already good
enough...
4.segue between "Wizard" and "Opa-Loka"
5.the guit/synth part in (studio) "Levitation" right after jam, and right
before final verse
6."Phenomenon of Luminosity"
7."Born to Go" (SR): right after cigarette-cellophane lead, Brock gets down
with a new choppy riff before final verse
8.the first 2 seconds of "Brainbox Pollution"
9."Time We Left" (Space Ritual 2 full version): Lemmy and Nik
10."Magnu-Angels of Death" Anthology version: all of it

...and that's just a start...whew... Chuck


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 12 06:12:48 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:42:48 +1030
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.214248.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi gang

can anyone tell me which state the Happy Valley concert was held

We have a Happy Valley here in South Australia but I'm guessing it was either 
New South Wales or Victoria.

I got my Oz tour shirt in the mail today - very cool -  and I looked at all the dates that Hawkwind did in Australia

<< GRIPE MODE ENABLED>>>

Five concerts man - five - I missed every damned one - and to think of all the emails
I posted wanting to know when the band would come to Australia and there was no mention
of it.

Damn I feel shitty about that - Everyone knows when crap like Kylie Minogue  and assorted other 
ka ka is out and about but there could have at least been a little publicity for Hawkwind

What were all the aussie fans doing ??

<< GRIPE MODE DISABLED>>>

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From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Tue Dec 12 08:18:59 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:18:59 -0000
Subject: OFF: Motorhead cancelled
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.131859.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

MOTORHEAD DATES CANCELLED
Lemmy has been advised by doctors to take a complete break due to extreme
exhaustion, so Motorhead have been forced to cancel the rest of their
European tour, including three UK dates. In support of the band's 25th
Anniversary album, "We Are Motorhead", the band played dates in Japan
before travelling to the UK for their sell-out gig at Brixton Academy,
and then left straight away for a lengthy European tour, taking in many
places where their fans had not seen the band for many years including
Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Belarussia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and
Norway.  This resulted in the band playing 39 shows in 48 days, with a
gruelling travel schedule between each show.

Lemmy had a severe bout of influenza prior to the present tour, but
perservered. A handful of European dates were cancelled, but after a few
days rest Lemmy continued to play - against doctor's advice. "Doctors
have been telling me for years and years to slow down," said Lemmy from
his hospital bed in Italy. "How was I to know that this time they meant
it? I carried on because I didn't want to let the fans down in the
countries we were due to play... it now looks like I should have taken
time out weeks ago to fully recover." Lemmy has been advised to take four
weeks rest to ensure a full recovery.

The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151


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From jswartz at MITRE.ORG  Tue Dec 12 08:51:43 2000
From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:51:43 -0500
Subject: BOC: New Song
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.085143.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey, it's about time for a little BOC-related stuff - WARNING!  NO
HAWKWIND CONTENT BELOW!!  ;-)

BOC trotted out a new song this past weekend - I did not hear it so I
can't give any direct impressions, but it is called "Dancing on Stilts"
(I believe), and is sung by Buck.

The band also trotted out an older song - Veteran of the Psychic Wars


John


From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM  Tue Dec 12 09:00:40 2000
From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:00:40 -0500
Subject: New Song
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.090040.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At the Northern Lights, Eric gave the audience a choice -> Astronomy or
Veteran.  Of course, the unwashed masses wanted Astronomy - grrrr.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John A. Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MITRE.ORG]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:52 AM
> To:   BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject:      BOC: New Song
>
> Hey, it's about time for a little BOC-related stuff - WARNING!  NO
> HAWKWIND CONTENT BELOW!!  ;-)
>
> BOC trotted out a new song this past weekend - I did not hear it so I
> can't give any direct impressions, but it is called "Dancing on Stilts"
> (I believe), and is sung by Buck.
>
> The band also trotted out an older song - Veteran of the Psychic Wars
>
>
> John


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Tue Dec 12 08:40:42 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:40:42 -0400
Subject: BOC: New Song
In-Reply-To: <3A362CA6.ABC1C8F6@mitre.org>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.094042.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

John wrote:
> BOC trotted out a new song this past weekend - I did not hear it so I
> can't give any direct impressions, but it is called "Dancing on Stilts"
> (I believe), and is sung by Buck.

Sounds like a Buck ballad. I liked "Pocket" live but haven't heard "Old
Gods..." From Mike's earlier post, it seems like we may see a new album by
next summer! And with a contest to help name it too.... Ezekiel's Wheel,
anyone? ;-)

> The band also trotted out an older song - Veteran of the Psychic Wars

Nice. I like that the band is trying to mix it up a little. Hearing "Teen
Archer" at Northern Lights was fantastic!

Brian
OB Album Name> Cultolostomy Bag


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Tue Dec 12 08:45:33 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:45:33 EDT
Subject: BOC: New Song
In-Reply-To: <B65BA319.148B%blackblade@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.094533.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 12 Dec 00, at 9:40, Brian Halligan wrote:

> Nice. I like that the band is trying to mix it up a little. Hearing
> "Teen Archer" at Northern Lights was fantastic!
>
Here, here!  Teen Archer was great, and it really works as a live
tune.  They should keep it in the set...

theo


From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM  Tue Dec 12 09:58:34 2000
From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:58:34 -0500
Subject: BOC: New Album Names
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.095834.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

How about Altars of the Old Gods
Oracles, Visions, and Prophecy
or
Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Mars, and Bloom


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Halligan [SMTP:blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:41 AM
> To:   BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject:      Re: BOC: New Song
>
> John wrote:
> > BOC trotted out a new song this past weekend - I did not hear it so I
> > can't give any direct impressions, but it is called "Dancing on Stilts"
> > (I believe), and is sung by Buck.
>
> Sounds like a Buck ballad. I liked "Pocket" live but haven't heard "Old
> Gods..." From Mike's earlier post, it seems like we may see a new album by
> next summer! And with a contest to help name it too.... Ezekiel's Wheel,
> anyone? ;-)
>
> > The band also trotted out an older song - Veteran of the Psychic Wars
>
> Nice. I like that the band is trying to mix it up a little. Hearing "Teen
> Archer" at Northern Lights was fantastic!
>
> Brian
> OB Album Name> Cultolostomy Bag
>
>
> --
> Brian Halligan
> mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
> http://www.bhalligan.com


From micci at SCI.FI  Tue Dec 12 10:04:39 2000
From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:04:39 +0200
Subject: HW: Captain Beyond tribute
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.170439.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi!

>Chuck in some guest appearances by ex-pat Robbo and Nik Turner honking
>away merrily on the (surprisingly) funky title track with Five Fifteen, this
>is virtually faultless. Just to let you know, this spent 3 days in the CD
>player without a break, seriously  jeopardising deadline day for Z. Buy it
>now.

Well, same track found also in 5.15 CD-Ep call Silver Machine and yes, there
is  SM where is Nik! Probably best version ever.
Robbo is quest player there also, not on SM.

>Record Heaven, Box 25, 230 42 Tygelsjo, Sweden info at recordheaven.net
>http://www.recordheaven.net
>      Cheers to Miikka Wagner who punted this my way. Good work, Finnish
>fella!

You?re welcome, welcome, welcome...

Miikka Wagner
email: micci at sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~micci


From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU  Tue Dec 12 10:13:31 2000
From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:13:31 +0800
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.231331.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>


  >>Damn I feel shitty about that - Everyone knows when crap like Kylie Minogue  and assorted other 
  >>ka ka is out and about but there could have at least been a little publicity for Hawkwind

  >>What were all the aussie fans doing ??


  Most of us were rather annoyed that the tour was only announced a few weeks prior, giving many of us little time to plan anything. We were all particularly annoyed since there had been plans between various fans to bring them over, then those same fans were forgotten all about.

  William
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From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Tue Dec 12 10:12:49 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:12:49 +0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.151249.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Jill,

If you give me a list I can help with the phoning.

love, light and peace

Merrick French,


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Tue Dec 12 11:15:04 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:15:04 -0500
Subject: OT: Andy G
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.111504.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

   I sent you an email on the 8th and just replied to your last message.
Sorry for the off-topic post. I wanted to make sure e-mail was getting
through (to your aol address). My server's been acting a little flaky
lately.

Jerry


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Tue Dec 12 11:41:45 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:41:45 -0500
Subject: New Song
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.114145.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

AACK

Id take Astronomy over VotPW any day. And I did. lol... IMHO of course.
In fact that whole set was fantastic at Northern Lights, FULL of songs
off the first three albums, until the obligatory DFtR and Godzilla.
Then I sat down and had a smoke whilst all the "non faithful" rushed the
stage.  It was like 3/4 of the audience couldn't recognize a song  until
then.  Very sad.  BUT if they comes, they pays, and that is good for the
boys.

I read that if you submitted an album title yesterday that it might not
have been saved by the server.  So if you are into that go vote again.
Personally my suggestion is:  Nitchze is Dead. - God.  No seriously.....

Mike.

Hall, Russell J wrote:

> At the Northern Lights, Eric gave the audience a choice -> Astronomy or
> Veteran.  Of course, the unwashed masses wanted Astronomy - grrrr.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John A. Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MITRE.ORG]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:52 AM
>> To:   BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
>> Subject:      BOC: New Song
>>
>> Hey, it's about time for a little BOC-related stuff - WARNING!  NO
>> HAWKWIND CONTENT BELOW!!  ;-)
>>
>> BOC trotted out a new song this past weekend - I did not hear it so I
>> can't give any direct impressions, but it is called "Dancing on Stilts"
>> (I believe), and is sung by Buck.
>>
>> The band also trotted out an older song - Veteran of the Psychic Wars
>>
>>
>> John
>


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Tue Dec 12 11:03:22 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:03:22 -0400
Subject: BOC: New Album Names
In-Reply-To: <E69C480A5B54D41187DE00508BDF0BE2398197@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.120322.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Russell wrote:
> How about Altars of the Old Gods
> Oracles, Visions, and Prophecy
> or
> Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury, Mars, and Bloom

I like Altars of the Old Gods

>Nitchze is Dead. - God.

Hmmm...that's a great title for a "thinking man's heavy metal band."

How about a vote on BOC-L after everyone submits their titles? It might pick
up the BOC side of things at any rate.

Brian

--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Tue Dec 12 11:04:25 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:04:25 -0400
Subject: BOC: New Song
In-Reply-To: <3A365549.5060003@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.120425.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Nitchze is Dead. - God.  No seriously.....

Meant to credit Mike with this, sorry.

Brian


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 12:26:29 2000
From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:26:29 -0000
Subject: HW: Free Voiceprint CD
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.172629.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just occurred to me.....now that there's 10+ of the Voiceprint CDs
containing tokens for a free CD out there - has anyone actually applied for
one yet? Any luck? Go on, surprise me. ;@)

Dave


From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 11:25:18 2000
From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:25:18 -0000
Subject: HW: Calvert poem
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.162518.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Can anyone help me stick a title on this Bob Calvert poem from HW's set at
Reading in '75? It begins.....

"There wasn't much to you at all
A pair of headphones & a knob to twiddle
But you beat the six gun & the saddle
You were futuristic as Colonel Dare"

Never heard this anywhere else - any other appearances?

Any help much appreciated

Cheers

Dave


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Tue Dec 12 12:33:56 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:33:56 +0100
Subject: HW: Calvert poem
In-Reply-To: <001301c06460$c3d79f20$c4219dc3@merlinas>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.183356.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Dave

At 16:25 12.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone help me stick a title on this Bob Calvert poem from >HW's set
at Reading in '75? It begins.....

Here it is:



Ode to a Crystal Set

There wasn't much to you at all: a pair
Of headphones, and a knob to twiddle;
But you beat the sixgun and the saddle,
You were futuristic as Colonel Dare.
And so was I, in your bakelite 'phones
Tuned-in to the insect language of morse,
Always at war with the alien force
Of crackling static's interference zones.
And at night I listened to voices drone
With your dark conches pressed against my ears,
And dreamt there were voices among the stars
The priviledge of hearing was mine alone.
With your earthed antenna divining air,
You traced the future of your trans-sisters.
Oracular wire, you were the cat's whiskers
Till I heard the superheterodyne's blare.


cheers
Bernhard


From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET  Tue Dec 12 12:37:42 2000
From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:37:42 -0500
Subject: SLOTERDIJK@ "Dr. Watson's Pub", Philadelphia, PA: Friday, Dec 15th
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.123742.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Friday December 15th:

"An Evening of Prog and Space Rock"

in order of appearance:

Divided Sky
Ploy
Shirati
SLOTERDIJK

Program begins approximately 8-8:30 PM

SLOTERDIJK to perform sometime between 11PM-12:30 AM

12:00AM is our alotted slot, however if there is a cancellation by any
other band, we could play earlier

21+ to enter
$6.00 admission at the door

Dr. Watson's Pub
216 S. 11th Street,
Philadelpia, PA

venue phone# (215) 922-3427

http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 12 12:40:10 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:40:10 -0000
Subject: Calvert poem
In-Reply-To: <001301c06460$c3d79f20$c4219dc3@merlinas>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.174010.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

"Ode to a Crystal Set," n'est-ce pas?

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of David Bottomley
> Sent: 12 December 2000 16:25
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: HW: Calvert poem
>
>
> Can anyone help me stick a title on this Bob Calvert poem from HW's set at
> Reading in '75? It begins.....
>
> "There wasn't much to you at all
> A pair of headphones & a knob to twiddle
> But you beat the six gun & the saddle
> You were futuristic as Colonel Dare"
>
> Never heard this anywhere else - any other appearances?
>
> Any help much appreciated
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>


From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM  Tue Dec 12 12:50:21 2000
From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:50:21 -0700
Subject: BOC: New Song
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.105021.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Personally my suggestion is:  Nitchze is Dead. - God.  No seriously.....

Just for the record, the correct spelling is : Nietzsche. This being said, I
like that title, very funny :-)



Alex.

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From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Tue Dec 12 13:53:08 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:53:08 -0500
Subject: BOC: New Song
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.135308.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You know I went through three spellings of that. Didn't want to look it
up..  Knew someone would get it right for me.

Alex S. Garcia wrote:

>> Personally my suggestion is:  Nitchze is Dead. - God.  No seriously.....
>
>
> Just for the record, the correct spelling is : Nietzsche. This being said, I
> like that title, very funny :-)
>
>
>
> Alex.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/asg-us.htm
> Music Videos : mvdbase.com [database]
> www.milomail.com/com/mv.html [mailing-list]
> Progressive rock : rip.xrs.net
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Tue Dec 12 16:16:39 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:16:39 -0500
Subject: BOC: Tour Dates
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.161639.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Citizens of the NW and CA ...look for some dates to be added in late Jan
into early Feb.

May     12     Trenton, NJ   with Steppenwolf and Foghat
      15     Las Vegas  (The Station)
July  19     Waukesha, WI
      27     Long Beach, CA with Foghat
Aug    2     Watertown, WI
       4     Chicago (Navy Pier)
      25     Green Bay, WI with Foghat and Paul Rodgers


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 17:08:44 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:08:44 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.220844.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Merick

Thanks for your message.  That was a kind offer and I'll enclose the
list of Thistle Hotels I found on Yell.com       I've only had a
chance to phone Kensington Park and Bloomsbury but I don't honestly
think the Thistle Hotels are going to be what's needed.
Bloomsbury could only offer me single rooms at
? 106 (pounds) for the night and doubles at, I think, (since I've
forgotten to bring the info with me!) at ?129 (pounds).    These
prices are way too high for most fans and I'm fairly sure prices for
the other Thistle group hotels will be equally steep so I'm afraid
that cheaper priced hotels will be needed and that'll take further
investigation.     I'll see what I can find out but I really don't
have much time to spare for a long search.

The good news is that neither place seemed to think that a block
booking of 25 rooms or so would be a problem so there seems to be
plenty of availability for that date.

thanks!
jill

==================================================
Thistle Kensington Park Hotel
De Vere Gardens Kensington
London W8 5AF
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7937 8080

Whites Thistle Hotel
90-92, Lancaster Gate
London W2 3NR
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7262 2711

Thistle Kensington Palace Hotel
De Vere Gardens Kensington
London W8 5AF
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7937 8121

Royal Horseguards Thistle Hotel
2, Whitehall Court
London SW1A 2EJ
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7839 3400

The Thistle Tower Hotel
St. Katharines Way
London E1W 1LD
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7481 2575

Thistle Bloomsbury Hotel
Bloomsbury Way
London WC1A 2SD
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7242 5881

Cannizaro House Thistle Hotel & Restaurant
West Side Wimbledon Common
London SW19 4UE
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 8879 1464

The Grosvenor Thistle Hotel
Buckingham Palace Rd
London SW1W 0SJ
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7834 9494

Thistle Hotels plc
Capital House 25, Chapel St
London NW1 5JJ
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7723 8383

Thistle Westminster Hotel
49, Buckingham Palace Rd
London SW1W 0QT
Business Type: HOTELS & INNS
Tel: 020 7834 1821


----- Original Message -----
From: Merrick Martin French <m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> Jill,
>
> If you give me a list I can help with the phoning.
>
> love, light and peace
>
> Merrick French,
>


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 17:36:17 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:36:17 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.223617.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> On this theme, from prior con experience, hotels frequently want
> a down payment on meeting space ;-(
>
> What kind of meeting space were we looking for?  ...and for what
dates?
> Arin

I'm not sure to be honest!   It'll be for the evening of the 29th
and I was assuming that one (maybe two) meeting rooms would be
sufficient but I was just making vague enquiries to see what the
responses were price and availability wise for accommodation.    At
any event since Thistle Hotels look as if they are going to be a tad
pricey University Halls of Residence would be my next suggestion
since it's still vacation and they might, or might not, have a
social/recreational hall or meeting area nearby.

If I've time...............

jill


From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM  Tue Dec 12 18:11:03 2000
From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:11:03 +0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing - Useful Info ?
In-Reply-To: <015201c06488$18c88c20$5b33883e@jds>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.231103.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello Kris,Dave,HW and all

I've been observing developments regarding this hotel issue on this
list.....so I thought I'd try and provide a bit of help.

Travel Inns are good value and the rates are PER ROOM with each room able
to sleep from 2-3 people I think. I made an initial enquiry with the London
Euston Travel Inn Capital @ 1 Dukes Road,London,WC1.
The rate per room is ?69.95....( or ?35 per person for 2
sharing!)....however they do not offer a discount on block bookings.
They said that there should not be a problem booking around 25 rooms on the
29th, but could not confirm this because such a booking would have to be
arranged with the manager during daytime hours.

There is another Travel Inn @ London County Hall,Belvedere Road,SE1 (on the
Thames near Waterloo Station). The rate per room is the same, although I
think this location is a bit more special.
I was unable to speak to anyone by phone at this one to verify if they
could provide 25 rooms on the 29th.

To find out more...check the web.......www.travelinn.co.uk

Has anyone assumed the responsibility of organising this on behalf of HW
and everyone?

melvyn.


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 12 18:39:53 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:39:53 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <memo.20001211083618.1015J@slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.233953.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 08.36 +0000 11.12.2000, Steve Litchfield wrote:
>What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
>can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
>of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
>why?
>
>To kick things off, for me it's the first few minutes of "Born to Go" on
>Hawkwind: Space Rock from London - utterly awesome in its energy and
>driving force (and fun).

That may be my top pick. On the other hand, I rate Lemmy's solo in
"Time We Left" on _Doremi_ as one of mankinds]'s finest achievements,
musical or otherwise :)  There are some bits of "Shouldn't Do That",
the live version from Roadhawks/SR remaster that are quite good. And
I like Dave's guitar solo on "Golden Void" on Palace Springs!

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 14:10:37 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:10:37 -0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.191037.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

gee thanks - off to get a meal now!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:55 AM
  Subject: OFF: the Enid


  I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who were brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps (courtesy of the scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and clinging to some scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in agony, my mate was chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started up....horrible, horrible....I couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having recovered slightly I returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about finished me off. Bad feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the dawn gig.
   
  Thought I'd share that with you
   
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 14:07:54 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:07:54 -0000
Subject: HW:  Star Nation
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.190754.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi to Star Nation order people,
Heard from Jerry today that the CD's are done and delivered and that the
artwork should be ready by end of week and we hope to receive the CD's by
Monday or Tuesday. If this happens we will, for UK customers, make a
herculean effort to despatch them so they make great Xmas pessies, but it's
cutting it tight - for those who are desperate to know, then call me on
01382-776595
on Tuesday.
Mr Young and Mr Freeman need not worry - their orders are secure.
On behalf of the band and CD Services, thanks for waiting.
Also heard from the Simon House people that the new CD should be ready in
about a week but too late for us to get it to anyone for Xmas but it should
be with you just after, OK. Great album, too - his best yet for me, as long
as you like good synth music.
Bedouin news is that in January Alan is taking the master tapes into a
studio where Matthew Bainbridge will be doing his mixing bit while no less
than Simon House records his parts for the album which will now be
completely remixed to accommodate this new kid on the block!!! Simon will be
on certain tracks.  Believe me , that album was already just so much better
than any of you would dare believe - it just got even greater. Expect a late
Feb release and get those orders in after Xmas - you won't regret it.
For other news, see:
http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/dec.htm
That ends tonight's messages and not a recount in sight.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Cynthia" <freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Star Nation


> Me too. I'm not worried about the credit card details or when Star Nation
> arrives as long as it arrives :-)
> As they (who?) say, "The longer the wait, the greater the stone."
> hehe
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Young" <blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:33 AM
> Subject: HW: Star Nation
>
>
> > Has anybody got a confirmation from Andy G about the Star Nation thing
> yet?
> > I got the email about a week ago that all those whose orders arrived
first
> > would get first chance at the cds, and that they would be personally
> > emailed.
> >
> > I sent my credit card details almost 4 months ago, and I'm hoping I'm
one
> of
> > the ones who will not miss out on this.  But not being sure if anybody
> else
> > has been contacted yet, it's hard to say.
> >
> > Hope all turns out well...
> >
> > Bryan Young
> >


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 14:27:20 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:27:20 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.192720.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

1) Dealt with by other person
2)Yeh - the sax player not the Hawkman
6)Yes there's only one 'Out Of The Blues' album and it is by Twink and Mouse
but we inadvertently referred to it as a Fairies album at some point along
the way, too. I had a review of it but can't just locate it right now - if I
find it I'll post it here, OK.
7)Moor 'Flux' was second album and way better than the first - all original
material if I remeber rightly and came out in '98 I think. Would still sell
if I had the catalogue space to repromote it, too. Nik only plays on part of
the album.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> 1) The discography in the BOC-L archives lists several items under Del
> Dettmar as part of his Melodic Energy Commission period which their
> current Xaliman-run homepage doesn't admit to: these are _Synthesis_,
> _M=E/C^2_, and `Melody is Energy/Night Rhythm'; does anyone know if these
> are actually MEC works or Del solo or what?
>
> 2) the same source lists a Calvert appearance on an LP called _Mazin
> Ennet_ by a group called John Stevens Away. I can't find anything out
> about this and suspect that whatever it was it was probably Mother Gong's
> Bob Calvert on it rather than our one. This is a mistake which occurs
> elsewhere in that file too. Can anyone confirm or refute my suspicion?
>
> 4) on a comp. called, I think, _The Best of Lemmy_, there are two tracks
> by Lemmy and the Upsetters. One of them is a marvellous `Blue Suede
> Shoes', but I can't remember what the other is. Does anyone know, and can
> they tell me when these were recorded and whether they were issued
> elsewhere before that comp.?
>
> 6) The _Great Rock Discography_ has a full track-list and personnel for
> Pink Fairies _Out of the Blue and Into the Pink_ from 1995, but I can't
> find a trace of it elsewhere. On the other hand I have found a Twink
> Records comp of random 1974 - 1976 blues recordings by him and Mouse from
> Magic Muscle (?) called _Out of the Pink and into the Blues_, which seems
> to reference it. Or are they the same record? Has anyone seen the first
> one?
>
> 7) The Moor with Nik Turner, _Flux_ - is it out and if so when did it get
> so? Is it, out of interest, any good, and is it their material or the same
> old fifteen Hawkwind songs Nik plays with whatever backing band he can
> find?
>
>
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 14:32:58 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:32:58 -0000
Subject: HW: a question of past members
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.193258.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

there's no more - that's it. He may ne a nice guy in 'real life' (who can
say) but that night he really got on my wick!!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: HW: a question of past members


> In message <006c01c063d2$b42e7780$a218bc3e at s8d3c4>, ANDREW
> GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM> writes
> >yeh - you got that right - one of only a handful of gigs I ever walked
out
> >on was the Enid when RJG started 'preaching' to the audience halfway
through
> >the concert, talking down to us as though we were the scum on his
> >shoes....you've never seen me leave a concert so fast and so angry...
>
> Tell me more! I'm curious- it's always interesting to reassess someone you
> used to admire, once you're a bit older and wiser.
>
> --
> Nick Medford


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 19:58:18 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:58:18 -0000
Subject: OT: Andy G
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.005818.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

no problem - all in hand both ends now - just waiting for yuor card deatils
the CD Services end,
All the best,
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Guizar" <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: OT: Andy G


>    I sent you an email on the 8th and just replied to your last message.
> Sorry for the off-topic post. I wanted to make sure e-mail was getting
> through (to your aol address). My server's been acting a little flaky
> lately.
>
> Jerry


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 12 19:59:30 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:59:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Free Voiceprint CD
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.005930.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yes - applied for one - no - not got a thing yet
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bottomley" <merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: HW: Free Voiceprint CD


> Just occurred to me.....now that there's 10+ of the Voiceprint CDs
> containing tokens for a free CD out there - has anyone actually applied
for
> one yet? Any luck? Go on, surprise me. ;@)
>
> Dave


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Tue Dec 12 19:51:32 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:51:32 -0500
Subject: HW-RE :(RX)(VX) relay.B-CY-ORG.BORG
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.195132.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:09:50 -0600, Mike Coleman <deltawave at METRONET.COM>
wrote:

>>actually, the copy of Radioactors I have in front of me has
>>Liz van Dort on vocals and Javier Fredes on congas -
>>no mention of Gilli Smythe anywhere.
>>
>>also 'Radioactors' is one word too.....
>>
>>curious.
>>
>>Rx
>
>OK....I figured out my confusion ordeal................the only "Proper"
>Hawkwind connected RADIOACTOR tracks would be the original 2 tracks on the
>45(s).......The CD version adds material of a "funny" nature......If I
>recall these additions correct(ly)......if you border on suicidal, like me,
>be very careful, seems like I thought of the garage, the car, and just what
>quality means in a hose(wares).............
>
>can anyone identify ALL!!!!  the vinyl 45's??????  there are at least 5
>that I heard whispers of(some mix variations to boot) of which I sobbingly
>only have 3.........
>
>still desire a passport for fantasy..............Michael Michael Jet Black
>Motorcycle..(no smiles...thank god)
>
>PS-actually it would really all be down to Thunder Rider on just the 1 st
>track...were we not to care about Hillage + gong crew......
>
>and Gordon....even though THE POLICE is STEWARTS!!!!!!  and should reform
>without him........
>
>The MEGAMIX added to the CD seemed like it was of the quality of a
>television relying on a poorly made aluminum foil antennae...........
>
>
>                                           [ *** ]
>PS---I have a stash of the CD in the silver tin can if anyone needs a
>fixx.....it's not vinyl, so I should be able to get it to you within a 365
>day frame or such.....if we trade something I send up
>front..............mc(not THE)

ok here's to clarify:

the cd i have here
has the following trax:

1 Nuclear waste
2 Digital Love
3 Spiral Diatribe
4 No-Ozone Blue
5 Nuclear Megawaste

sting sings on 1 and 4
Steve hillage plays on 1, 2 and 4
nik turner plays on 1, 2 and 4

cd is voiceprint 1995 cat# BP181CD


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 19:43:24 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:43:24 -0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.004324.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Want to hear about where we kipped the night before Hawkon 85?
No - I thought not - that'd bring your meal back!!

Dave
(where's my KBA cd - my doormat hasn't been dented in at least a week)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
    Date: 13 December 2000 00:39
    Subject: Re: OFF: the Enid
    
    
    gee thanks - off to get a meal now!!!
    Andy Garibaldi.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: david hall 
        To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
        Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:55 AM
        Subject: OFF: the Enid
        
        
        I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who were brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps (courtesy of the scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and clinging to some scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in agony, my mate was chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started up....horrible, horrible....I couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having recovered slightly I returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about finished me off. Bad feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the dawn gig.
         
        Thought I'd share that with you
         
        Dave
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From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM  Tue Dec 12 19:54:01 2000
From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:54:01 -0700
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.175401.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folx!
Just thought I'd share my early B-day surprise! My Really good friend
who turned me on to HW a few years ago just surprised me with the Black
Sword DVD! WHat a splendid B-day surprise there!!!
Just saw D&D too! Highly recommended from me! Good stuph there!
Pam

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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 12 19:55:28 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:55:28 -0600
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <015201c06488$18c88c20$5b33883e@jds>
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.185528.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Jill Strobridge wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing
:
:Hi Merick
:
:Thanks for your message.  That was a kind offer and I'll enclose the
:list of Thistle Hotels I found on Yell.com       I've only had a
:chance to phone Kensington Park and Bloomsbury but I don't honestly
:think the Thistle Hotels are going to be what's needed.
:Bloomsbury could only offer me single rooms at
:? 106 (pounds) for the night and doubles at, I think, (since I've
:forgotten to bring the info with me!) at ?129 (pounds).    These
:prices are way too high for most fans and I'm fairly sure prices for
:the other Thistle group hotels will be equally steep so I'm afraid
:that cheaper priced hotels will be needed and that'll take further
:investigation.     I'll see what I can find out but I really don't
:have much time to spare for a long search.
:
:The good news is that neither place seemed to think that a block
:booking of 25 rooms or so would be a problem so there seems to be
:plenty of availability for that date.
:

A bit more web legwork (for Jill, or anyone else who wants to call
places):

holiday inn has locations at oxford circus and bloomsbury with doubles for
95 pounds a night.

I've put an inquiry into the comfort inn chain to see what they can
get us.

More web hunting:

http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels/bayswater/index.html (doubles
for 69 pounds and have meeting space available (may be a high season/low
season thing, tho'))

http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels/royalnational/index.html
(doubles for 85 pounds and has meeting space.)

more hotels seem to be listed at www.hotelsoflondon.co.uk, but I've
really got to get home now....

Arin
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From hw at CY-B.ORG  Tue Dec 12 20:00:09 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:00:09 -0500
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.200009.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:42:48 +1030, Michael Blackman
<michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:


>
>Damn I feel shitty about that - Everyone knows when crap like Kylie Minogue
 and assorted other ka ka

hey !!! lay off Kylie ok ?? :}

(it's a little known fact that it was nik turner wrote "i should be so
lucky", and not stock aitkin and the other one)

Rx


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec 12 19:53:07 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:53:07 -0000
Subject: HW: Nik, Green, and Steve Hillage
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.005307.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nik gets a thank you on the Hillage Green LP. There sounds as if there is a sax on it - is he on it? It was recorded at about the same time as Xitintoday.

Dave
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From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Tue Dec 12 20:05:43 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:05:43 -0800
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.170543.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Just thought I'd share my early B-day surprise! My Really good friend
> who turned me on to HW a few years ago just surprised me with the Black
> Sword DVD! WHat a splendid B-day surprise there!!!
> Just saw D&D too! Highly recommended from me! Good stuph there!
> Pam
>


About an hour ago, my package from Amazon arrived. It *should* have
been my Black Sword dvd, but it wasn't. What got in there instead
was Black Flag Live.  wtf?

Cool in it's own way, but *not* what I was expecting.....




scorch


From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Tue Dec 12 20:11:47 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:11:47 +0100
Subject: HW
In-Reply-To: <200012130105.RAA08910@bob.te-cats.com>
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.021147.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 12 Dec 2000, at 17:05, John H. McCartney wrote:

> About an hour ago, my package from Amazon arrived. It *should* have
> been my Black Sword dvd, but it wasn't. What got in there instead
> was Black Flag Live.  wtf?

That's what I would call a _pleasant_ surprise ;-)

--BArt


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Tue Dec 12 20:36:08 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:36:08 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.203608.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

My single finest moment (studio) is Dave Brock's lead guitar on 7 X 7.

My finest moment live (on record) is the 75 Watchfield section of "You
Shouldn't Do That"

My finest moment seeing the band was the first time in 1989 in
Cambridge,  MA. It was literally a dream come true. It was my first time
being exposed to other Hawkfans; I thought I was the only one!
Chris

> >What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
> >can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
> >of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
> >why?
> >


From sonique at SONIQUE.NET  Tue Dec 12 21:16:20 2000
From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:16:20 +1100
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.131620.1100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 12 Dec 2000, at 21:42, Michael Blackman wrote:

> can anyone tell me which state the Happy Valley concert was held

That be just out of Campbelltown, 45 minutes SW of Sydney

> << GRIPE MODE ENABLED>>>
>
> Five concerts man - five - I missed every damned one

Three actually (4 counting Studio 22). The Necastle gig was canned

> What were all the aussie fans doing ??

As William has allready said, the announcements were rather late. Given the short time frame, the
guy who organised it all actually did a fine job of it, but I agree that some more publicity would have
helped a lot. One of the guys I was with at Studio 22 and the Metro actually lives 5 minutes from
Happy Vallley yet didn't know it was on, and a few people I spoke too at Studio 22 only heard about
it that morning when they announced it on 2JJJ.

As far as I know, I was one of about 3 or 4 who came up from Melbourne for the gigs, all of whom
heard about it from me because I was lucky enough to be contacted about it due to my involvement in
the previous tour attempt 2 years before. Every one else there (the Metro) I guess would have been
from Sydney.

Dave and Kris - are you listening? If 2001 is still on the cards then the more time there is to organise
the better it will be. By alll accounts 2000 was successful but I'm sure we can achieve at least
double the gigs and double the capacity ..... pending availability of sufficient cash (as always) to
make it happen of course

Sonique


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Tue Dec 12 21:07:48 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:07:48 -0800
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.180748.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:05:43 -0800, "John H. McCartney"
<scorch at TE-CATS.COM> wrote:
>About an hour ago, my package from Amazon arrived. It *should* have
>been my Black Sword dvd, but it wasn't. What got in there instead
>was Black Flag Live.  wtf?

LMAO!!!  Sword ... Flag ... what's the difference?  Well, they were
Hawkwind fans (Greg and Dez at least, and Rollins credits 'em with turning
him onto the Pink Fairies) ...

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From sonique at SONIQUE.NET  Tue Dec 12 21:22:00 2000
From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:00 +1100
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.132200.1100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

(Apologies to Michael Blackman, William Duffy, et al.)

For me it has to be:

1) Standing on the balcony at the Metro gig *feeling* the rush welling in the Aussie crowd as
Hawkwind came on stage down under
2) Being so close 'n intimate at Studio 22
3) Back stage after the Metro, especially chatting at length with Jerry and Steve
4) Hearing Robot in 79 on the radio and discovering life to be ....
5) Albeit a failed attempt, organising the previous Aussie tour
6) (Almost) every Hawkwind track that has passed through my velvet-lined ears

Sonique


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 12 21:24:02 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:54:02 +1030
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.125402.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Most of us were rather annoyed that the tour was only announced a few weeks prior, giving many > of us little time to plan anything. We were all particularly annoyed since there had been plans 
> between various fans to bring them over, then those same fans were forgotten all about.


We need a better networking system here in Australia for Hawkfans - Now with the Mission Control
in full flight I'd doubt we'll miss a thing - I could have sh at t a pallet of bricks when I logged on to welcome to the future and saw those dates.  (On the night of the final Australian concert!!

I'll keep as much info posted on the Electric Tepee so maybe let everyone know about that :)


Mb
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Duffy 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:43 AM
  Subject: Re: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000



    >>Damn I feel shitty about that - Everyone knows when crap like Kylie Minogue  and assorted other 
    >>ka ka is out and about but there could have at least been a little publicity for Hawkwind

    >>What were all the aussie fans doing ??


    Most of us were rather annoyed that the tour was only announced a few weeks prior, giving many of us little time to plan anything. We were all particularly annoyed since there had been plans between various fans to bring them over, then those same fans were forgotten all about.

    William
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From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 12 21:34:51 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:04:51 +1030
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.130451.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> hey !!! lay off Kylie ok ?? :}

Sorry - heat of the moment -
Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Rx <hw at CY-B.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000


> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:42:48 +1030, Michael Blackman
> <michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Damn I feel shitty about that - Everyone knows when crap like Kylie
Minogue
>  and assorted other ka ka
>
> hey !!! lay off Kylie ok ?? :}
>
> (it's a little known fact that it was nik turner wrote "i should be so
> lucky", and not stock aitkin and the other one)
>
> Rx
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 12 21:39:03 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:09:03 +1030
Subject: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.130903.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Dave and Kris - are you listening? If 2001 is still on the cards then the
more time there is to
> organise
> the better it will be. By alll accounts 2000 was successful but I'm sure
we can achieve at least
> double the gigs and double the capacity ..... pending availability of
sufficient cash (as always) > to make it happen of course

I agree - I for one would be at every show!!  and there are many fans here
in South Oz!!!

Michael Blackman


----- Original Message -----
From: Sonique <sonique at SONIQUE.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: HW - Regarding the Oz Tour In Feb 2000


> On 12 Dec 2000, at 21:42, Michael Blackman wrote:
>
> > can anyone tell me which state the Happy Valley concert was held
>
> That be just out of Campbelltown, 45 minutes SW of Sydney
>
> > << GRIPE MODE ENABLED>>>
> >
> > Five concerts man - five - I missed every damned one
>
> Three actually (4 counting Studio 22). The Necastle gig was canned
>
> > What were all the aussie fans doing ??
>
> As William has allready said, the announcements were rather late. Given
the short time frame, the
> guy who organised it all actually did a fine job of it, but I agree that
some more publicity would have
> helped a lot. One of the guys I was with at Studio 22 and the Metro
actually lives 5 minutes from
> Happy Vallley yet didn't know it was on, and a few people I spoke too at
Studio 22 only heard about
> it that morning when they announced it on 2JJJ.
>
> As far as I know, I was one of about 3 or 4 who came up from Melbourne for
the gigs, all of whom
> heard about it from me because I was lucky enough to be contacted about it
due to my involvement in
> the previous tour attempt 2 years before. Every one else there (the Metro)
I guess would have been
> from Sydney.
>
> Dave and Kris - are you listening? If 2001 is still on the cards then the
more time there is to organise
> the better it will be. By alll accounts 2000 was successful but I'm sure
we can achieve at least
> double the gigs and double the capacity ..... pending availability of
sufficient cash (as always) to
> make it happen of course
>
> Sonique
>


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 12 21:55:25 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:25:25 +1030
Subject: Public apology
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.132525.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This is an apology in regards to a recent email with reference to Kylie Minogue

She really is a sweety

I just thinks it stinks that I know 3 months in advance when KM is touring and yet I missed the first
Oz Hawk tour is all

SORRY.......  it was a very, very naughty thing to say.....

I won't do it agaaaaain!!!

Michael B
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 12 22:25:37 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:25:37 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.2000.222537.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/12/00 8:34:02 PM, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes:

<< My single finest moment (studio) is Dave Brock's lead guitar on 7 X 7.
 >>

=========
excuse me?

no brock lead guitar on '7x7' a la 'space ritual'

and a not utterly in-sync guitar break on the earlier version as b-side to
'silver machine', sort of a precursor to _many_  subsequent guitar solos from
that era.

your favorite lead guitar?
_that_?

toe-may-toe
toe-mah-toe.

"<>"


From Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM  Wed Dec 13 00:31:12 2000
From: Martyn.Lawrence at TEAM.TELSTRA.COM (Lawrence, Martyn [IBM GSA])
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:31:12 +1100
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.163112.1100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi
for me :-
1.Hearing Orgone Accumulator from MOTU lp in Martins the bookshop,first
hawkexperience except for silver machine.
2.Spirit of the age tour in '77 :- first tour.
3."79 tour - Tim playing new Jerusalem/Lighthouse and levitation - what a
cracker - live
4.Tim jumping ship before levitation tour hit Portsmouth.
5.Glastonbury '81 -
6.Spirit of the age - played live anytime., thank you band for playing this
in Australia.
7.Seeing Hawkwind in Australia - hearing Harvey hit the synths at the ABC
took me back to the happy days 10 years previous.
8.Reading '78 - having a indoor firework frenzy with the band v roadcrew ,
including Calvert.
9.The band still playing after 31 years.

regards

Marty


From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK  Wed Dec 13 03:40:42 2000
From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:40:42 -0000
Subject: HW: Calvert poem
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.084042.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Fantastic! Thanks to the pair of you.

Dave

>>Can anyone help me stick a title on this Bob Calvert poem from >HW's set
>at Reading in '75? It begins.....
>
>Here it is:

>
>Ode to a Crystal Set
>
<poem snipped>
>"Ode to a Crystal Set," n'est-ce pas?

>-- Andy


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Wed Dec 13 04:30:10 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:30:10 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.043010.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It is just my favorite, that all.
Chris

DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/12/00 8:34:02 PM, chrisr at TIAC.NET writes:
>
> << My single finest moment (studio) is Dave Brock's lead guitar on 7 X 7.
>  >>
>
> =========
> excuse me?
>
> no brock lead guitar on '7x7' a la 'space ritual'
>
> and a not utterly in-sync guitar break on the earlier version as b-side to
> 'silver machine', sort of a precursor to _many_  subsequent guitar solos from
> that era.
>
> your favorite lead guitar?
> _that_?
>
> toe-may-toe
> toe-mah-toe.
>
> "<>"


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec 13 06:38:18 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:38:18 GMT
Subject: HW:  Star Nation
In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:07:54 -0000
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.113818.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ANDREW GARIBALDI writes:

> Hi to Star Nation order people,
> Heard from Jerry today that the CD's are done and delivered and that the
> artwork should be ready by end of week and we hope to receive the CD's by
> Monday or Tuesday. If this happens we will, for UK customers, make a
> herculean effort to despatch them so they make great Xmas pessies, but it's
> cutting it tight - for those who are desperate to know, then call me on
> 01382-776595

Is this different to the item on sale in the pub at the Brixton gig?

FoFP


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec 13 07:19:21 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:19:21 -0500
Subject: HW: In Your Area
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.071921.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yes I know you all bought this the day it came out, but having just picked
up a copy this weekend thought I'd share my (belated) thoughts.

In brief: it's bloomin' great. Far better than I dared hope having read all
the lukewarm comments in the list archives. OK, I could live without
another version of Brainstorm- although this one's perfectly creditable.
And yes, Rizz is lame- although he doesn't piss me off like he does some
folks round here. In any case the MUSIC on the Rizz tracks is generally
excellent. HIYA may be the THIRD time they've wheeled out their cod-reggae
track, but at least Ron's (surprisingly inventive) bass playing lends a bit
of weight to the sound this time. And if you imagine 'Your Fantasy' as a
free-festival shoutalong it suddenly makes perfect sense- it's not deep but
it's FUN fer Gawd's sake.

For me the album really gets going with Aerospaceage Inferno- superb
version, great vocals from Ron who is impressive throughout. Never been
convinced about him but his performances here are the best I've heard (or
seen, come to that). I'd actually rate this higher than the Lockheed
version (and as a major Calvert fan I don't say such things lightly). Then
the studio tracks- well these are great: OK not many 'proper songs', but
far more creative than many of their recent forays into instrumental
electronica. One point worth making- this is definitely a 'Headphone
Album', particularly the studio stuff. There's a lot going on that I didn't
pick up before the trial by 'phones. 'I Am The Reptoid' is infinitely
better than the original Distant Horizons track IMO: one of the weirdest,
darkest things they've done for a very long time. The driving garage feel
and raw-but-powerful vocals on 'Hippy' make it sound like a souped-up 90s
version of the 13th Floor Elevators (a good thing, most definitely).

A few weak points but overall this is a tremendous album, far superior to
Distant Horizons, and the spaceship Hawkwind is in better condition than I
feared (famous last words).

I know lots of people will disagree with the above but I'm actually quite
relieved to find that I like it so much, so wanted to share my joy.

Nick


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Wed Dec 13 09:06:45 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:06:45 -0600
Subject: HW:  Star Nation
In-Reply-To: <200012131138.LAA01398@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.080645.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>ANDREW GARIBALDI writes:
>
>> Hi to Star Nation order people,
>> Heard from Jerry today that the CD's are done and delivered and that the
>> artwork should be ready by end of week and we hope to receive the CD's by
>> Monday or Tuesday. If this happens we will, for UK customers, make a
>> herculean effort to despatch them so they make great Xmas pessies, but it's
>> cutting it tight - for those who are desperate to know, then call me on
>> 01382-776595
>
>Is this different to the item on sale in the pub at the Brixton gig?
>
>FoFP

 Hi Mike!  just got off phone with Andy G once again,,,,this is actually an
answer from him......while there are some chaotic details I couldn't repeat
correctly even if I were cleared to do so.....the story thus far is:
UNKNOWN AS TO whether or not the artwork will appear in booklet form or in
separate, individual page form as the original........also, still unsolved
as to whether there is differing art...BUT.....(IMHO)...you can bet there
is a difference...if nothing else...it's diff manufacture
however......originals disappear into void...for now...mike c


From christmu at EUNET.NO  Wed Dec 13 09:51:27 2000
From: christmu at EUNET.NO (Y2K VIRUS)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:51:27 +0100
Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.155127.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

SMOKE CRACK COCAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMPHETAMINES!!!!!!!
GET HIGH!!!!!
CANNIBAL CRACKHEAD GREETS ALL WHO WORSHIP SATAN.


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Wed Dec 13 10:57:18 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:57:18 EST
Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.105718.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/13/00 9:56:10 AM, christmu at EUNET.NO writes:

<< SMOKE CRACK COCAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMPHETAMINES!!!!!!!
GET HIGH!!!!!
CANNIBAL CRACKHEAD GREETS ALL WHO WORSHIP SATAN.

 >>
====
your point, sir?

"<>"


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec 13 11:14:36 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:14:36 GMT
Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings
In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:57:18 EST
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.161436.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

DASLUD at AOL.COM writes:

> In a message dated 12/13/00 9:56:10 AM, christmu at EUNET.NO writes:
>
> << SMOKE CRACK COCAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> AMPHETAMINES!!!!!!!
> GET HIGH!!!!!
> CANNIBAL CRACKHEAD GREETS ALL WHO WORSHIP SATAN.
>
>  >>
> ====
> your point, sir?

That's what Elric said at the end.

FoFP


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Wed Dec 13 11:27:20 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:27:20 -0500
Subject: BOC: Merchandise online
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.112720.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You can now order the OFFICIAL BOC tees and merchandise (the same goodies
that are sold at the shows) ONLINE!

Announcing the Blue ?yster Cult Official Merch Store!

Come check it out:

http://www.blueoystercult.com

click on the Merch link!


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Wed Dec 13 13:02:49 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:02:49 -0500
Subject: HW: In Your Area
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.130249.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

No I love it too.  Very heavy in places.  Very good CD.

Mike

Nick Medford wrote:

> Yes I know you all bought this the day it came out, but having just picked
> up a copy this weekend thought I'd share my (belated) thoughts.
>
> In brief: it's bloomin' great. Far better than I dared hope having read all
> the lukewarm comments in the list archives. OK, I could live without
> another version of Brainstorm- although this one's perfectly creditable.
> And yes, Rizz is lame- although he doesn't piss me off like he does some
> folks round here. In any case the MUSIC on the Rizz tracks is generally
> excellent. HIYA may be the THIRD time they've wheeled out their cod-reggae
> track, but at least Ron's (surprisingly inventive) bass playing lends a bit
> of weight to the sound this time. And if you imagine 'Your Fantasy' as a
> free-festival shoutalong it suddenly makes perfect sense- it's not deep but
> it's FUN fer Gawd's sake.
>
> For me the album really gets going with Aerospaceage Inferno- superb
> version, great vocals from Ron who is impressive throughout. Never been
> convinced about him but his performances here are the best I've heard (or
> seen, come to that). I'd actually rate this higher than the Lockheed
> version (and as a major Calvert fan I don't say such things lightly). Then
> the studio tracks- well these are great: OK not many 'proper songs', but
> far more creative than many of their recent forays into instrumental
> electronica. One point worth making- this is definitely a 'Headphone
> Album', particularly the studio stuff. There's a lot going on that I didn't
> pick up before the trial by 'phones. 'I Am The Reptoid' is infinitely
> better than the original Distant Horizons track IMO: one of the weirdest,
> darkest things they've done for a very long time. The driving garage feel
> and raw-but-powerful vocals on 'Hippy' make it sound like a souped-up 90s
> version of the 13th Floor Elevators (a good thing, most definitely).
>
> A few weak points but overall this is a tremendous album, far superior to
> Distant Horizons, and the spaceship Hawkwind is in better condition than I
> feared (famous last words).
>
> I know lots of people will disagree with the above but I'm actually quite
> relieved to find that I like it so much, so wanted to share my joy.
>
> Nick
>
>


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec 13 14:16:41 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:16:41 -0000
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.191641.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

s'pose it's many happy returns from the whole group here, then!!!! Enjoy....
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff & Pam Wheaton" <cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:54 AM
Subject: HW


> Hey folx!
> Just thought I'd share my early B-day surprise! My Really good friend
> who turned me on to HW a few years ago just surprised me with the Black
> Sword DVD! WHat a splendid B-day surprise there!!!
> Just saw D&D too! Highly recommended from me! Good stuph there!
> Pam
>
> --
>         Pam Wheaton                    Cliff  Wheaton
>    _____/----^---\____       The greatest tool for  world peace
>  </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o              "THE INTERNET"
>      0             0         E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com
>                 URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec 13 14:18:57 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:18:57 -0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.191857.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

KBA should be on the way as we speak as the massive delivery of KBA CD's dropped in here late last week.But I'll check it out in t' morning.
Enjoy......
Andy G.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:43 AM
  Subject: Re: OFF: the Enid


  Want to hear about where we kipped the night before Hawkon 85?
  No - I thought not - that'd bring your meal back!!
   
  Dave
  (where's my KBA cd - my doormat hasn't been dented in at least a week)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ANDREW GARIBALDI <andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM>
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
    Date: 13 December 2000 00:39
    Subject: Re: OFF: the Enid


    gee thanks - off to get a meal now!!!
    Andy Garibaldi.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: david hall 
      To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
      Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:55 AM
      Subject: OFF: the Enid


      I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who were brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps (courtesy of the scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and clinging to some scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in agony, my mate was chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started up....horrible, horrible....I couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having recovered slightly I returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about finished me off. Bad feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the dawn gig.
       
      Thought I'd share that with you
       
      Dave
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec 13 14:21:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:21:10 -0000
Subject: HW
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.192110.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I won't say a word......honest.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John H. McCartney" <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: HW
> About an hour ago, my package from Amazon arrived. It *should* have
> been my Black Sword dvd, but it wasn't. What got in there instead
> was Black Flag Live.  wtf?
>
> Cool in it's own way, but *not* what I was expecting.....
>
>
>
>
> scorch


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Wed Dec 13 14:26:03 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000
Subject: HW: In Your Area
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.192603.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

no - think you got it pretty well spot on there.....but the Spacebrock album
is even better than that so don't wait so long to get that, OK!!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:19 PM
Subject: HW: In Your Area


> Yes I know you all bought this the day it came out, but having just picked
> up a copy this weekend thought I'd share my (belated) thoughts.
>
> In brief: it's bloomin' great. Far better than I dared hope having read
all
> the lukewarm comments in the list archives. OK, I


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Wed Dec 13 14:40:21 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:40:21 +0000
Subject: semi Hawkwind cover
In-Reply-To: <006a01c063d2$b0df9aa0$a218bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.194021.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> ah that's where I'm going wrong - I think that track and one other is all
> I've heard by them - still there are other fish to fry of greater importance
> right now......
> Andy Garibaldi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: semi Hawkwind cover
> >
> > Re. Supergrass: funnily enough I saw some video footage of them live at
> > Glastonbury the other night (a mate of mine likes them) and I have to say
> > they do have a pretty powerful live sound. But I found that big hit of
> > theirs ("we are young, we are free..") so irritating that I still find it
> > hard to give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

        That one really did annoy me. But my brother is a fan and I have
to say in their defence that everything they've done since then has been a
lot better, including some stuff taht's actually good. However, if
Woronzow's Lucky Bishops would learn the tactical use of The Riff the same
way Supergrass did they would be a very large sight better. And being as
they're considerably better-looking, they would surely be destined to a
career in the indie limelight post haste. Someone should tell them. Yours,

Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK  Wed Dec 13 18:37:50 2000
From: blueskin69 at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (Gordon Reid)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:37:50 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.183750.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

My finest moment for live stuff has to be Levitation at the Glasgow
Barrowland on the Chronicles of the black sword tour, this was the first
time i had seen Hawkwind even though i had been into them for a while, but
at that moment in time it was like WOW this is it, and it was that moment is
still with me as though it was yesterday.
For studio stuff it has to be Seven by Seven up to now it's still my
favourite Hawkwind track.

Cheers.

Gordon.


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Wed Dec 13 19:10:56 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:10:56 +0100
Subject: H/W: More obscure Hawkwind relations
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.011056.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

For real completists only. There is a very, and I mean very, distant
link to Hawkwind and the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band via Dave Brock. I
believe that prior to playing with the Dharma Blues Band and after being
a busker, the esteemed Mr. Brock had a stint playing in Bob Kerr's
Whoopee Band (who are still going strong BTW) and Bob Kerr was an early
member of the Bonzo's (or was it that some members of the Bonzos were in
the Whoopee band?) That could then lead real completists right off onto
another path!!!

Cheers,

Seb

-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Wed Dec 13 23:35:12 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:35:12 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.233512.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

   Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm
not sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.

Jerry


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Wed Dec 13 18:08:37 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:08:37 -0000
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.230837.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing


> : More web hunting:
> http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels/bayswater/index.html
(doubles
> for 69 pounds and have meeting space available (may be a high
season/low
> season thing, tho'))

This looks amazingly superior for just 69 pounds - I suspect the
standard rate will apply.   Still it might be worth contacting.
My enquiries today suggest that University accommodation is only
available May-September.   Everything in that line is closed over
Christmas period so that's out 8-(

The Vienna group of hotels seemed worth checking out.   Westminster
Hotel offered 85 pounds for a single  102 pounds for a double and
has conference facilities.    However they can't say anything about
availability until after the end of the week.     The New Atlantic
Hotel is a Budget version of the Vienna group.   No conference
facilities (though there are communal areas I think)  and prices are
43 pounds for a single without en-suite facilities  55 pounds for a
single with en-suite.   Doubles/twins are 73 pounds without en-suite
and (something else - I didn't write it down!) with.     The
accommodation obviously will vary across the range because the hotel
also offers triple. quadruple and dormitory accommodation but it
looks comfortable enough.      They can offer available
accommodation of all types on the 29th December but not on other
days - it looks as if that's the only window of opportunity!

So the New Atlantic Hotel is about all I can offer.    address is 1
Queens Gardens, London, W2 3BB (near Paddington and just N of Hyde
Park).   Phone 0207 262 4471  email
NewAtlanticHotel at vienna-group.co.uk

Can anyone else suggest anything better?

jill


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Wed Dec 13 23:30:32 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:30:32 -0600
Subject: HW: WANT THE BODY
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.223032.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

                   I WANT THE BODY




                    NOT THE EARTH



                   (it has bad breath)



    back-to back plays of SPACEBROCK demo to original with "HEAVY
FXXX"(surround with 15" speakers directly at each end of couch and straight
into ears recommended)  made the majic bloom in the BEER room on this rare
snow iced Texas morning.......


  I hope I can stay...you don't make me go away........

  Don't really want to "don" tight leather pants and follow in the steps of
the great MANTAS.....


 but my BLACK METAL LP awaits..............M[D]C


From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Wed Dec 13 16:42:54 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:42:54 EST
Subject: HW:Ron and Death Generator
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.164254.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 Still intrigued by this entry on Mission Control..Is this Ron gig at
Glastonbury 2000 real? Did he play a set featuring the Death Generator ??
 Anyone out there see it or have details ?...What (apart from the fictional
weapon from the "Ledge of darkness" (Least I hope its fictional !!) project)
is a death generator ? How did it upset people ?
 I want to know more!!

 Inquisitively
    Al


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Wed Dec 13 19:10:36 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:10:36 -0800
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.161036.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just thought I'd toss out a "nice job" to sometimes boc-l members Scott
Heller and Carl Anderson who conducted interviews with On Trial and Tangle
Edge in the latest issue of the very cool Belgain psych/space/prog/etc zine
'Crohinga Well'.  The magazine also includes the latest installment of
their comprehensive history of Gong (covering some of their earlier days in
France, the 'Magic Brother' album, signing with BYG, etc.), and more
reviews of reissues and new releases than I can count (and it doesn't hurt
that they have nice things to say about albums that friends and I have
played on and/or released).

To top it off, initial copies of the magazine come with a sampler CD from
Black Widow records, although the only spacerock on it are tracks from the
Alan Davey, ST37 and ArcMet albums on the label (the rest of the music
being various metal/stoner/goth/darkwave bands, some of which are pretty
good but are mostly not my cuppa tea).

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Wed Dec 13 18:59:17 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:59:17 -0800
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.155917.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This is a great thread!  Tough to narrow things down to only a few top
moments, but for me, nothing beats that moment near the beginning of a live
set when Hawkwind have taken the stage and make the transition from the
electronics/intro to where the first song kicks in.  Some examples ...

1) 'Space Ritual' - as "Earth Calling" fades out, the synth tone rises,
slower and slower and slooooower ... almost EXCRUCIATINGLY building the
tension until Dave breaks out the "Born To Go" guitar riff, followed in
rapid succession by Lemmy and the rest.

2) 'Live at the Bottom Line' (c.78 boot) - the electronics give way to
Simon House playing the violin intro riff from "Hassan i Sahba" as a
melodic solo the first time, then the riff repeats, doubled by Adrian's
bass, with Dave, Bob and Simon King all kicking in for the third time through.

3) 'Live 79' - Tim's & Dave's synths at the beginning are fantastic, with
the combined exponential and linear frequency modulations making for
natural/random-sounding burbling (I nailed the sound using one of my
modular synths a couple weeks ago - not necessarily looking for that sound,
but when I hit it, I KNEW), slowly ebbing and flowing gradually upwards in
intensity, then Simon clicks off the beat and Bam!  "Shot Down In The
Night" with everyone hitting the ground running.

4) 1997 tour (embarassed to say I don't yet own 'Hawkwind 1997' - [note to
self - MUST APPLY FOR PASSPORT!], but I hope this moment is captured on it
... I'm basing this on the tape I have of the Chicago/Cubby Bear show) -
not the explosive entry of the previous example, but the subtle shift from
the intro noises to the chugging synthetic rhythm of "Wheels" is extremely
compelling, and the song is drenched in energy when it finally breaks out ...

There are other great examples, but those four come to mind first, and I
have to give an honorable mention to "Brainbox Pollution" from 'The 1999
Party'.

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Wed Dec 13 22:29:02 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:59:02 +1030
Subject: HW  - re a strange email about y2k viruses
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.135902.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Anyone else get this 

Junk mail I guess??
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From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Wed Dec 13 18:37:51 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:37:51 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?OFF:_Mot=F6rhead?=
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.003751.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It's 12:30am here in Germany, working on my website, listening to John
Peel on the Internet when I get called out to the front room where a
music program on N3 (regional program for North Germany) called
Musikladen (presented by the wonderfully named Manfred Sexauer) to
witness MotorHeadgirlSchool in their entire glory, playing to a rather
disinterested crowd. It's just quite funny seeing Phil not drumming but
dancing like a gormless plonker.

Cheers,

Seb.

p.s. hoping to be working in England over the Christmas/New Year period
so I might get to the Xmas bash so keep all the updates of whats
happening coming.

-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Thu Dec 14 01:30:20 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:30:20 +0100
Subject: HW: More obscure Hawkwind relations
In-Reply-To: <PKEEINFGAEANLLHFPLACCEAECKAA.sebastian@welton.de>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.073020.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>For real completists only. There is a very, and I mean very, distant
>link to Hawkwind and the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band via Dave Brock. I
>believe that prior to playing with the Dharma Blues Band and after being
>a busker, the esteemed Mr. Brock had a stint playing in Bob Kerr's
>Whoopee Band (who are still going strong BTW) and Bob Kerr was an early
>member of the Bonzo's (or was it that some members of the Bonzos were in
>the Whoopee band?)

There's another Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Hawkwind connection: Doo Dah
member Vivian Stanshall was a friend of Bob Calvert's and he also appears
on latter's Captain Lockheed album (BTW, this connection reminds of the
Bob/Nik/Lemmy - Stanshall scene in Kris' This Is Hawkwind book <g>).

(c)IAO

                                 D+R
--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"

                                         Hassan I Sabbah
www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From swann at CUGC.ORG  Wed Dec 13 17:13:35 2000
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:13:35 -0500
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <39FE356C.F7E4E335@petronet.net>; from Tom Clark on Mon, Oct 30,
 2000 at 08:58:53PM -0600
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.171335.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Melvyn Vincent wrote:
> > Now.......some questions for all you Hawksters out there.
> > I've been following HW since 1972.......and......(this is the truth)....I
> > have never taken drugs ( ie Dope,LSD,etc).
> > In fact the most lethal concoction I used to consume prior to a HW gig in
> > my late teens was a few pints of Whitbread Trophy........( Now beat that
> > for pure shit!!!!!)
> > Am I mad? Is it really possible to enjoy HW without the aid of mind
> > altering drugs?
> > Are there any other fans out there that 'get off' on HW without getting
> > 'stoned'?
> > Or........am I the odd one out? All my mates at college use to say to me
> > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'.
> > I didn't agree then and at 43 yrs old now I still don't agree.

But... Hawkwind *is* a drug!

I never felt so high in my life as when I saw them perform "The Golden
Void" on the Palace Springs tour.  I was somewhere way off floating
through the Crab nebula, and I hadn't touched a drop of anything all
night.  :-)

Steve


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Thu Dec 14 02:06:47 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:06:47 -0600
Subject: HW:Ron and Death Generator
In-Reply-To: <e0.d959d30.2769475e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.010647.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Still intrigued by this entry on Mission Control..Is this Ron gig at
>Glastonbury 2000 real? Did he play a set featuring the Death Generator ??
> Anyone out there see it or have details ?...What (apart from the fictional
>weapon from the "Ledge of darkness" (Least I hope its fictional !!) project)
>is a death generator ? How did it upset people ?
> I want to know more!!
>
> Inquisitively
>    Al

  YES YES!!!  MORE RON!! MORE DEATH!!!   MORE DEATH MORE RON!!!!   LIFE TO
DEATH and all things DEATHLY......ON LIVE HORSES MORE DEATH LIFERS!!!
[dev's door]


From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Dec 14 09:28:22 2000
From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:28:22 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.142822.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
Upside Down. Pure Magic!!
Or ... at the end of A&B (WotEoT) when they shift gear and change into
Golden Void and then Simon Houses violin goes off the top. Always gives me
goose-bumps.
Or ... the end of Space Is Deep (SR again) when the jam on,getting more and
more relaxed and then drifts off into outer space.
Or ... when the drums kick in on Lighthouse (live 79)
Or ...

Juba

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From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec 14 06:46:04 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:46:04 EDT
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c06587$41975140$c04a1818@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.074604.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 13 Dec 00, at 23:35, Jerry Guizar wrote:

>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
> vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
> ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
> listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm not
> sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
> for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
> across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.
>
I second this.  I need a new 'table too.  I see there are still lots of
them available.  What do you all recommend?

theo


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Thu Dec 14 03:26:52 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:26:52 +1300
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <20001213171335.12463@cugc.org>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.212652.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>>All my mates at college use to say to me
> > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'. I didn't
agree then and at 43 yrs old now I still don't agree.

Listening to bands like Hawkwind drugs are good but they aren't necessary.
Where drugs are DEFINITELY NEEDED is when you have to hear the dirge that
Top 40 radio and the Peter Pan music that shopping malls play ... you need
those drugs to stop yourself from thottling someone ... sorry I didn't mean
someone I meant one of the sheep that happily listens day in and day out to
the same old crap that radio, tv ads, shopping mall music etc pumps out.
        For one day I would love to have the job of selecting the music that gets
piped over the  system in supermarkets and shopping malls. Wonder how
shoppers would react to say Tim Blake or Pete Namlook being played. You
would think the people in charge of selecting the music for shoppers to hear
would have realised by now if you play people something meaningful they will
shop longer.

Richard


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec 14 10:45:58 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:45:58 EDT
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJLIAFKICKEIPGDFMCEBGGLAA.richard@cranium.co.nz>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.114558.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> >>All my mates at college use to say to me
> > > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'.

It's not the only way, but it's the best way...

theo


From multiverse at ONEBOX.COM  Thu Dec 14 01:55:20 2000
From: multiverse at ONEBOX.COM (Berry Sizemore AKA Jhary-a-Conel)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:55:20 -0800
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.2000.225520.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I am proud to announce the creation of http://www.newworldsmagazine.com/
- The Official New Worlds Magazine online!

I'm not editor, writer or even owner of newworldsmagazine.com. I am the
lead engineer on this project. Mr. Michael Moorcock is the owner of the
web site. I will be doing for New Worlds what I've been doing for multiverse.org,
simply supply a site that contains as much information as I am capable
of stuffing into it. I don't dare claim that I can or will provide all
information possible. I believe that New Worlds Magazine will be a great
resource for fans, writers, publishers and editors alike.

The current version of newworldsmagazine.com is simply an extract of
what was within multiverse.org. But I imagine that it will grow beyond
multiverse.org's current size and usefulness. Where multiverse.org is
a window for fans into Mr. Moorcock's world and Mr. Moorcock into the
fans' world, so may newworldsmagazine.com be for other writers and their
fans. The scope is greater than multiverse.org's and the tasks ahead
will be slow in coming as it has for multiverse.org. multiverse.org has
been a wonderful and terrible test of what can be done and what should
not happen.

Things that are:

* a paper on the history of New Worlds
* a paper on the current state of New Worlds
* the original introduction to THE NEW WORLDS ANTHOLOGY written by Michael
Moorcock
* a white and black design to the interface - I will strive to keep it
clean and free of clutter - easy to read

Things to be:

* scans of the original magazines including covers, artwork, document
extracts
* fan/author interfaces such as forums and Q&As for participants
* author/editor/publisher interface for conducting limited document exchanging

* a sorting/searching feature
* an ezine

I hereby declare my right to do none of the above. If it gets too expensive,
or copyright lawyers show up at my door, my decision making is likely
to ensure my personal survival. But that's not likely to happen. I really
want to encourage everyone's participation. I crave the feedback so few
people offer. If you can help in any way, please feel free to contact
me at mutliverse at hotmail.com.

A special note to my friends and Michael's fans in Europe:

You folks contribute to no less than 25% of all traffic to multiverse.org
compared to the 25% the United States contributes. This is a key consideration
in this sites layout and design. Fancy formatting of pages, i.e. heavy
usage of tables, big gaudy graphics, javascript rollovers and other layout
conventions, will be avoided. Since dialups in Europe are costly and
time is of the essence, I will strive to make this site as easy to download
as I possibly can. I will also make pages printable so you can print
and disconnect. The layout will remain spartan. And if there will be
a gigantic graphic, you will be warned before you commence into a 10
minute download of a picture of someone's ass, or worse, an image you've
already seen.

Thank you,

Jhary-a-Conel

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From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Thu Dec 14 11:01:44 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:01:44 -0400
Subject: HW: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJLIAFKICKEIPGDFMCEBGGLAA.richard@cranium.co.nz>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.120144.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Richard wrote:

> You
> would think the people in charge of selecting the music for shoppers to hear
> would have realised by now if you play people something meaningful they will
> shop longer.

I think shopping mall music has to be vanilla in order to *not be an
irritant* to the greatest number of people. Play something complicated and
people may get bothered and leave. The best Muzak should let you know it's
there, but you shouldn't be able to remember what song was playing when you
leave the store. If you did, it was distracting you from concentrating on
the merchandise.

I think a lot of people who listen to Top 40 constantly do so because they
don't think about music. They don't actively listen, nor do they want to-
it's not their bag. To them, music's just there. Or it has a nice beat that
perks me up. Or, "I can dance to it with no difficulty."

And the people who do actively listen appreciate different aspects of the
music. There's people to whom sound quality and the mix are more important
than the music itself, people who only like the R&B style of singing, people
who love singing in general and could care less about the instrumentation.
Hey, *somebody* likes every band that ever was. Even Hawkwind and BOC. But
play it in the mall, and watch the place clear out. ;-)

Brian


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM  Thu Dec 14 11:19:50 2000
From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS])
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:19:50 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.111950.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I totally agree with Doug.  Those were my choices also.  The SR Earth
Calling fade out to Born
To Go, however, is my all time favorite moment!  Classic!!!

Dr. Dan

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Doug Pearson [SMTP:ceres at SIRIUS.COM]
        Sent:   Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:59 PM
        To:     BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
        Subject:        Re: HW: finest moments

        This is a great thread!  Tough to narrow things down to only a few
top
        moments, but for me, nothing beats that moment near the beginning of
a live
        set when Hawkwind have taken the stage and make the transition from
the
        electronics/intro to where the first song kicks in.  Some examples
...

        1) 'Space Ritual' - as "Earth Calling" fades out, the synth tone
rises,
        slower and slower and slooooower ... almost EXCRUCIATINGLY building
the
        tension until Dave breaks out the "Born To Go" guitar riff, followed
in
        rapid succession by Lemmy and the rest.

        2) 'Live at the Bottom Line' (c.78 boot) - the electronics give way
to
        Simon House playing the violin intro riff from "Hassan i Sahba" as a
        melodic solo the first time, then the riff repeats, doubled by
Adrian's
        bass, with Dave, Bob and Simon King all kicking in for the third
time through.

        3) 'Live 79' - Tim's & Dave's synths at the beginning are fantastic,
with
        the combined exponential and linear frequency modulations making for
        natural/random-sounding burbling (I nailed the sound using one of my
        modular synths a couple weeks ago - not necessarily looking for that
sound,
        but when I hit it, I KNEW), slowly ebbing and flowing gradually
upwards in
        intensity, then Simon clicks off the beat and Bam!  "Shot Down In
The
        Night" with everyone hitting the ground running.

        4) 1997 tour (embarassed to say I don't yet own 'Hawkwind 1997' -
[note to
        self - MUST APPLY FOR PASSPORT!], but I hope this moment is captured
on it
        ... I'm basing this on the tape I have of the Chicago/Cubby Bear
show) -
        not the explosive entry of the previous example, but the subtle
shift from
        the intro noises to the chugging synthetic rhythm of "Wheels" is
extremely
        compelling, and the song is drenched in energy when it finally
breaks out ...

        There are other great examples, but those four come to mind first,
and I
        have to give an honorable mention to "Brainbox Pollution" from 'The
1999
        Party'.

                -Doug
                 ceres at sirius.com
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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec 14 07:56:09 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:56:09 GMT
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: Gordon Reid's message of Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:37:50 -0500
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.125609.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Glastonbury 1981.

The 1982 autumn tour.

Seven by Seven in 1992.

Right To Decide/Space Is Their Palestine in 1983

The part of Seeing It as You Really Are as the track ups the tempo
again.

FoFP


From christmu at EUNET.NO  Thu Dec 14 10:57:05 2000
From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:57:05 +0100
Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.165705.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

DASLUD at AOL.COM writes:

 > In a message dated 12/13/00 9:56:10 AM, christmu at EUNET.NO writes:
 >
 > << SMOKE CRACK COCAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 > AMPHETAMINES!!!!!!!
 > GET HIGH!!!!!
 > CANNIBAL CRACKHEAD GREETS ALL WHO WORSHIP SATAN.
 >
 >  >>
 > ====
 > your point, sir?

THE TEMPLE OF THE BLASPHEMERS OF SODOM HAVE INITIATED THE CRACKWAVE 2000
BLACK MASS

<small caps> Out of hash and mildly excited that I ordered the new Alan
Davey CD.

ObCD: Cro-Mags - Alpha Omega


From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET  Thu Dec 14 12:16:40 2000
From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:16:40 -0500
Subject: Seasonal message which is not limited to this season
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.121640.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello everyone,
Although I tend not to be one who imbibes overimportance to holidays, or
any other "arbitrary calendar dates", I feel compelled,  through recent
events in my life to offer some thoughts, thanks, and assertions with
regard to myself, SLOTERDIJK and human behavior in general.

This note may be titled "seasonal message", but in effect it could be
read with equal relevence at any time in anyone's life.

Recently I endured a very powerful and unsteady few weeks, in which my
future might have been willingly altered. As one who shuns the
employment of dramatics and melodrama in life, especially in personal
relationships. I found myself completely thrown off by someone from my
distant past who contacted and misled me. My initial joy soon sank into
sadness, disappointment, and finally indifference, all this despite my
proclaimed "groundedness".

Without delving too deeply into this, I found myself confronted by
motifs of the holiday season, feelings of longing etc. Before long, my
balance was thrown completely off, and although all this is now begnning
to fade away, I was left with some very powerful impressions about human
nature, the meaning of the verb. "to love", my own self etc.

During this time I found myself juxtaposing my life against the lives of
others, and eventually entered a period of self validation.

Now with our show coming up tomorrow, and a growing feeling of renewal
and rest, it is time I offerd some thanks..Don't misunderstand here,
Burro is not becomig a sentimental sap, but is merely stating things.

I discovered about 2 weeks ago, that my heart is beating approximately
79,200 beats in a 24 hour period, at an average of 55 beats per minute.
Now although I am a reincarnationist, I acknowledge the finality of this
body and set of life memories. I consider the body to be something which
I steward over, as "I" am not this body. Nonetheless, I embrace the body
and it's life memories as my own.

Having said all this, I have realized that there just isn't enough time
for "me" left on this planet to be caught in other people's
interpersonal struggles, or to be swept away by them. I am a
compassionate person who does not feel the emotion of hatred for
anything or anything, and who rarely uses that word in my vocabulary.
Nonetheless, I am a human being with real emotion..

So what is all this about, and what am I trying to say?

Well on a superficial level I want to wish everone a happy "Holiday
Season", but on a more realistic level I want to acknowlege that I
realize that this "season" is really not so happy for many people. I
extend myself to the happy and the not so happy equally, as "the season"
is merely an arbitrary calendar date, frocked with motifs, and
"prescribed reactions". I have known both the happiness and the
unappiness  and I do not dichotomize them, as it's "All One".

I want to thank everyone who has had anything to do with SLOTERDIJK in
any capacity over the last 1.5 years; from the occaisional e-mail
questions, to the invitations to play, and everything in between.

I want to pledge to each and all of you, that in 2001 and before,
beginning with tomorrow night's show in Philadelphia, I will be
rededicating my efforts, determination, and drive to succeed to you.

It has become apparent that SLOTERDIJK and I are not really seperate
entities anymore, but rather one in the same. One with all else.
My personal and artistic identity is now very much one with Sloterdijk,
and so for this reason I feel compelled to tell you all that as
Sloterdijk, I will coninue to strive to offer the best that I can to all
of you who have shown such kindness and consideration.

Tomorrow night's performance shall be dedicated to all of you..Cheers,
and Best wishes to all., Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk)

http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl


From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM  Thu Dec 14 12:17:13 2000
From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:17:13 +0100
Subject: AW: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.181713.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

- TREADMILL in Minneapolis, 04.10.1989
- SECRET AGENT in Reading, 19.05.1992
- SPIRIT OF THE AGE in Brixton, 21.10.2000
- SPIRIT OF THE AGE in Plymouth, 23.11.1978
- SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT in London, 22.04.1988
- MOTORWAY CITY in Birmingham, 04.12.1988
- STAR SONG in Washington, 02.12.1990

and....

!!!!! THE COMPLETE US 1989 TOUR !!!!!!!!



Bernhard


From micci at SCI.FI  Thu Dec 14 12:22:51 2000
From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:22:51 +0200
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.192251.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi!

I have Pioneer PL- 117D made 1977!! Work like new one! I think that cheapest
way is buy second hand.

>   Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
>vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
>ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
>listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm
>not sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
>for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
>across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.
>
>Jerry
>

Miikka Wagner
email: micci at sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~micci


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 14 13:24:48 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:24:48 EST
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.132448.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/14/00 11:46:37 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes:

<< > >>All my mates at college use to say to me
> > > that the only way anyone could enjoy HW was to get 'stoned'.

It's not the only way, but it's the best way...

theo

 >>
.....until this very day.

i had my 'pre-pot' and 'post-pot' eras with HW, the latter going way, way
back.

ubetcha!

"<>"


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec 14 12:29:13 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:29:13 EDT
Subject: Seasonal message which is not limited to this season
In-Reply-To: <11990-3A390078-2658@storefull-112.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.132913.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 14 Dec 00, at 12:16, SLOTERDIJK wrote:

> Well on a superficial level I want to wish everone a happy "Holiday
> Season", but on a more realistic level I want to acknowlege that I
> realize that this "season" is really not so happy for many people.

Hey, tell that to my wife.  Her father died on Xmas day 4 years ago,
and her mother is currently on her death bed, and if there's any
mercy in this world will die any day now...

theo


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec 14 14:21:22 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:21:22 +0000
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <200012141246.HAA03044@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.192122.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <200012141246.HAA03044 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
<tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
>On 13 Dec 00, at 23:35, Jerry Guizar wrote:
>
>>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
>> vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
>> ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
>> listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm not
>> sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
>> for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
>> across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.
>>
>I second this.  I need a new 'table too.  I see there are still lots of
>them available.  What do you all recommend?
>
>theo

I'm using a Rega Planar 2, I'd recommend it very highly indeed. It wasn't
too expensive (about ?150- say $250- when I got it earlier this year) but it's
superb. The thing that puts some people off Rega turntables is that various
things have to be done manually e.g. changing the belt drive (rather than
just flicking a switch) if you want to play a 45rpm record. But this is all very
easy, and not having to pay for the extra electrical innards means you get a
remarkably low price for the quality. It was a happy day when I was finally
able to get all the old vinyl out and hear it as it should be heard. Gave the
wife a shock when I brought roughly 800 albums down to the living room-
she had occasionally noticed them in the store cupboard but I don't think
she realised that one day they would emerge and take over the flat.

Another point to consider is that due to the decline in demand for vinyl,
some amps don't have a particularly good phono stage (indeed some don't
have one at all). So before you commit yourself, worth getting some advice
on how your new turntable will get on with your amp, or better still a home
trial.

Hope this helps
--
Nick Medford


From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK  Thu Dec 14 13:56:13 2000
From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:56:13 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <F234y6PhuQinOkrx8Bi0000d1d7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.185613.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
> course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
> bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
> Upside Down. Pure Magic!!

Talking of Orgone Accumulator, has anyone else checked this out?

Jas.


>Subject: [blather-talk] #1 Leader in Orgone Radionics Technology
>
>http://www.orgon.org/
>
>#1 Leader in Orgone Radionics Technology! The International Web Site
>#for
>Orgone and Radionics Resources


From kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Thu Dec 14 06:23:29 2000
From: kprocter at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Kirsten Procter)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:23:29 +0000
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c06587$41975140$c04a1818@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.112329.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jerry Guizar wrote:

>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
> vinyl - I hope there are some.
 The excitement of new vinyl is so much more real than the excitement
of a new cd to me (particularly when it comes in the post) (Yes, it's
more exciting than new cotton, too :P) so I always buy vinyl if I
can... even for presents for the Jarrett (his vinyl collection's kept
in my house)

> listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm
> not sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
> for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
> across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.


 My turntable is part of a hifi I bought at a car boot sale for 3ukp (I
had to pay a whole 6ukp for the speakers in a junk shop though) - works
for me.

 It's a pioneer - can't tell you the model

Kirsten
--
Kirsten Procter                                                 ghoti
NP: Belinda Carlisle - Real


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Thu Dec 14 14:37:46 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:37:46 -0800
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.113746.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've been using one by Dual (German company) for the last 12 years or so
... I don't remember the model number, but it's a very fine one and even
runs at 78rpm.  Anyone know if they (Dual) still manufacture turntables?

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Thu Dec 14 15:31:05 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:31:05 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001214113746.009e7cb0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.153105.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Doug Pearson wrote:

=> I've been using one by Dual (German company) for the last 12 years or so
=> ... I don't remember the model number, but it's a very fine one and even
=> runs at 78rpm.  Anyone know if they (Dual) still manufacture turntables?

I bought a Dual CS-505-II turntable in the mid/late 80's.  It runs like
a champ, and sounds great (at least it did last I used it, which was
several years ago now, as it is in ol' Blighty and I'm in the US).  I
don't know if Dual are still on the go, but I wholeheartedly recommend
that turntable as a great sounding unit for its price (which was ~100
quid, I seem to recall)...

Cheers,

Paul.

NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Thu Dec 14 15:36:58 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:36:58 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.153658.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Personally I recommend searching garage sales. You can get some pretty
good deals, turntables that originally cost 100's for very little
scratch.  Once you drop 50 to 75 on the replacement cartridge (that is
the key to good sound isn't it?)  Well maybe 25 to 35, you should have a
very good piece of equipment.

Look for:

A platter that you can remove. How heavy is it?
How solid does the equipment feel?
Is it belt driven or magnetic driven?  Belt is good. Mags better cause
you don't have to replace the belt.

I have both.  I have a Concept (CBS of all things) which I bought in ..
get this  1980!  IT is in perfect working condition.  2lb platter. Mag
drive.  I also have a Sony and a Techniques.  Now lots of people slag
Technique but I have had NO problems with it.

Well that is my two cents.  I'd pick up old copies of Consumer's Digest
to evaluate the older stuff.  Online reviews if you want to go new.

Ted Jackson jr. wrote:

> On 13 Dec 00, at 23:35, Jerry Guizar wrote:
>
>>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
>> vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
>> ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
>> listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm not
>> sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
>> for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
>> across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.
>>
> I second this.  I need a new 'table too.  I see there are still lots of
> them available.  What do you all recommend?
>
> theo
>
>

--
"Men of power have not time to read; yet men who do not read are unfit for power. " - Mike Foot


From vince-L at EROLS.COM  Thu Dec 14 14:48:24 2000
From: vince-L at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:48:24 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.144824.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>In message <200012141246.HAA03044 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
><tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
>>On 13 Dec 00, at 23:35, Jerry Guizar wrote:
>>
>>>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
>>> vinyl - I hope there are some. The last one I had died about 10 years
>>> ago (Gerard Zero 100) , but I'm still buying LP's. I'd like to start
>>> listening to my records again (probably have around 1000), but I'm not
>>> sure what's out there anymore. I don't want a DJ table, I'm looking
>>> for something decent for around $200-300. The only thing I've come
>>> across so far is a Sony PS-LX350H.
>>>
>>I second this.  I need a new 'table too.  I see there are still lots of
>>them available.  What do you all recommend?
>>
>>theo
>
I've had a Thorens (model 280 I think) turntable for something like 10
years.  While I don't use it very often, it has been reliable for me.  And,
at the time I bought it, it was getting good reviews in the mags like Stereo
Review.

Vince


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Thu Dec 14 15:09:18 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:09:18 -0000
Subject: HW: test
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.200918.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

test message - please ignore.


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Thu Dec 14 15:47:09 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:47:09 -0500
Subject: Seasonal message which is not limited to this season
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.154709.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Mike

Very nice sentiments. Thanks for sharing. Good luck in 2001!!

Mike

SLOTERDIJK wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Although I tend not to be one who imbibes overimportance to holidays, or
> any other "arbitrary calendar dates", I feel compelled,  through recent
> events in my life to offer some thoughts, thanks, and assertions with
> regard to myself, SLOTERDIJK and human behavior in general.
>
> This note may be titled "seasonal message", but in effect it could be
> read with equal relevence at any time in anyone's life.
>
> Recently I endured a very powerful and unsteady few weeks, in which my
> future might have been willingly altered. As one who shuns the
> employment of dramatics and melodrama in life, especially in personal
> relationships. I found myself completely thrown off by someone from my
> distant past who contacted and misled me. My initial joy soon sank into
> sadness, disappointment, and finally indifference, all this despite my
> proclaimed "groundedness".
>
> Without delving too deeply into this, I found myself confronted by
> motifs of the holiday season, feelings of longing etc. Before long, my
> balance was thrown completely off, and although all this is now begnning
> to fade away, I was left with some very powerful impressions about human
> nature, the meaning of the verb. "to love", my own self etc.
>
> During this time I found myself juxtaposing my life against the lives of
> others, and eventually entered a period of self validation.
>
> Now with our show coming up tomorrow, and a growing feeling of renewal
> and rest, it is time I offerd some thanks..Don't misunderstand here,
> Burro is not becomig a sentimental sap, but is merely stating things.
>
> I discovered about 2 weeks ago, that my heart is beating approximately
> 79,200 beats in a 24 hour period, at an average of 55 beats per minute.
> Now although I am a reincarnationist, I acknowledge the finality of this
> body and set of life memories. I consider the body to be something which
> I steward over, as "I" am not this body. Nonetheless, I embrace the body
> and it's life memories as my own.
>
> Having said all this, I have realized that there just isn't enough time
> for "me" left on this planet to be caught in other people's
> interpersonal struggles, or to be swept away by them. I am a
> compassionate person who does not feel the emotion of hatred for
> anything or anything, and who rarely uses that word in my vocabulary.
> Nonetheless, I am a human being with real emotion..
>
> So what is all this about, and what am I trying to say?
>
> Well on a superficial level I want to wish everone a happy "Holiday
> Season", but on a more realistic level I want to acknowlege that I
> realize that this "season" is really not so happy for many people. I
> extend myself to the happy and the not so happy equally, as "the season"
> is merely an arbitrary calendar date, frocked with motifs, and
> "prescribed reactions". I have known both the happiness and the
> unappiness  and I do not dichotomize them, as it's "All One".
>
> I want to thank everyone who has had anything to do with SLOTERDIJK in
> any capacity over the last 1.5 years; from the occaisional e-mail
> questions, to the invitations to play, and everything in between.
>
> I want to pledge to each and all of you, that in 2001 and before,
> beginning with tomorrow night's show in Philadelphia, I will be
> rededicating my efforts, determination, and drive to succeed to you.
>
> It has become apparent that SLOTERDIJK and I are not really seperate
> entities anymore, but rather one in the same. One with all else.
> My personal and artistic identity is now very much one with Sloterdijk,
> and so for this reason I feel compelled to tell you all that as
> Sloterdijk, I will coninue to strive to offer the best that I can to all
> of you who have shown such kindness and consideration.
>
> Tomorrow night's performance shall be dedicated to all of you..Cheers,
> and Best wishes to all., Peace, Mike Burro (Sloterdijk)
>
> http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl
>
>

--
"Men of power have not time to read; yet men who do not read are unfit for power. " - Mike Foot


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 14 13:20:34 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:20:34 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.132034.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/14/00 11:35:59 AM, pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
Upside Down. Pure Magic!!>>
==
would you mind if i commented on this, w/some trivia?

yeah, that transition's pretty cool.

but in the most literal sense, in terms of the 'space ritual' lp, that's  an
edit; when brock plays those chords  twice through, and king tumbles down
into the now-riffing progression.
right there. on the "1".

and axually, heh, lemmy's bass solo on 'orgone accumulator' was
edited/shortened a wee bit in the studio.
==
ho to the 3rd

"<>"


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec 14 14:44:44 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:44:44 -0800
Subject: OT: Re: Seasonal message
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.114444.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Hey, tell that to my wife.  Her father died on Xmas day 4 years ago,
> and her mother is currently on her death bed, and if there's any
> mercy in this world will die any day now...
>

Ditto here, my wife's father died Christmas Eve 12 years ago, the same
day I started a new job after being out of work for nearly 5 months. My
own mother died the day after New Year's 4 years ago.

There's been a fair amount of study on this sort of thing, people dying
during or immediately after the holidays, with all sorts of inconclusive
conclusions. Some say it's the stress that does it, others propose that
there's a degree of 'hanging on' until then. The human mind/spirit is
a mysterious thing.....


scorch


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Thu Dec 14 14:52:48 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:48 -0500
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.145248.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Stephen Swann wrote:

>>>
>
> But... Hawkwind *is* a drug!
>
> I never felt so high in my life as when I saw them perform "The Golden
> Void" on the Palace Springs tour.  I was somewhere way off floating
> through the Crab nebula, and I hadn't touched a drop of anything all
> night.  :-)
>
> Steve
>
>
Ill second that.  Straight as an arrow at the Coney Island High Show and
was definintely flying at the same time.

--
"Men of power have not time to read; yet men who do not read are unfit for power. " - Mike Foot


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 14 15:56:47 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:56:47 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.155647.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/14/00 3:47:25 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes:

<<
but in the most literal sense, in terms of the 'space ritual' lp, that's  an
edit; when brock plays those chords  twice through, and king tumbles down
into the now-riffing progression.
right there. on the "1".
 >>
==========
it's been a ganja kinda day...
'space ritual' came from 2 shows , and it's from that
 'other' show, of the 2


bzzzzzz


From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 14 17:09:58 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:09:58 EST
Subject: HW:Finest Moments
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.170958.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 Distilling almost 28 yrs of Hawk addiction into finest moments...Hmmm!
difficult task , Memory being what it is and tastes changing with moods but
finally , if anyones interested, after much soul searching , my moments of
glory...

LIVE

Stonehenge '77...My memory of robot is that calvert was wearing a sort of
"Arabic " costume with one of those curved swords and that there was a robot
on stage, or someone dressed up anyway. ....However, my memory was quite
possibly somewhat slightly "adjusted " by certain chemical intrusions into my
metabolism !!
...I would be interested to read anyone elses recollections of the night
before solstice gig that year . This was definitely my favourite ever HW gig.
The projections were amazing. I recall pictures of flying elephants (Possibly
the Osibisa album cover) projected on screens either side of the stage. I
also have a recollection of Steppenwolf, High rise and reefer madness from
that night.
 Earth ritual tour ...Guildford
  (I think it was march '84...You know, the tour with the big programme with
the drawing of the 2 hawks against an exploding sphere on the cover.)...This
was the first time id seen HW for a couple of years...Nik in a straight
jacket on brainstorm sticks in my mind, with a huge car hub cap around his
neck, and several individuals...Possibly including Kris...in white coats
trying to pin him down !
 and the Mad Proffesors Laboratory tour (I think thats what it was called)
Hammersmith Odeon ...Laser Overdose !


 ON ALBUM

 All of Warrior (Best Album Ever Made !!) (By Anyone !!) (IMHO)

 Quark (2nd best album ever !!)...well it has to be , just for the definitive
Spirit Of the Age , and Damnation Alley.....Simons violin...Wow Goosebumps or
what !!

 Motorway city...any version

 Totally agree with Orgone / Upside down combination on SR

  Incidently....does anyone else get that chills down your spine thing when
they doA&B / Golden void ? that slide from one to the other always makes me
feel like a cold breeze blowing on my neck. Always a magic moment wherever it
appears


 And I cant finish this list without including Spirit of the age at
Hawkestra...Total magic moment !!

 In fact Hawkestra in its entirety is gradualy replacing 'henge '77,... the
more distance between my memories and the actual event the more treasured it
becomes.


Well, there you have it...an interesting exercize....first time i've tried to
do that objectively.

 Please though...I realy would like to hear anyone elses recollections of
stonehenge '77....It was a life changing experience for me and if anyone out
there went and would like to compare their recollections....or just drift
down memorylane ( damnation Alley ?) , I'd love to read it !

All the Best

Alistair


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Thu Dec 14 17:19:29 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:19:29 -0600
Subject: HW: LARRY BOYD
In-Reply-To: <91.455c2f5.276a8e0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.161929.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>In a message dated 12/14/00 3:47:25 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes:
>
><<
>but in the most literal sense, in terms of the 'space ritual' lp, that's  an
>edit; when brock plays those chords  twice through, and king tumbles down
>into the now-riffing progression.
>right there. on the "1".
> >>
>==========
>it's been a ganja kinda day...
>'space ritual' came from 2 shows , and it's from that
> 'other' show, of the 2
>
>
>bzzzzzz

 Please don't be mad that I see my compadre posting and thus: Hello great
friend whom is loved deeply in my heart........

 Your video is here unopened awaiting one or 2 more days when I can stop
showing interest in these chat groups and get down to business.....going to
have Das Ludicroix/ hawkvid night soon .............

"Every Good Boy Does Fine" 2CDR about to launch to you for real.....as
before posted.....been you know where, doing you know what, getting ill in
you know how....WOOPS....didn't expect Thanksgiving to even be
noticeable.....didn't have ANY TNKSGVING BTW...NO TURKEY...NO FOOD AT
ALL///kinda suits AND serves me eh???

gotta pay those karmas one way or another.....

since I DO NOT have the technical skills that a lot of you do on defining
the HW moments......like to just say my faves...even though it's not fair
from me as I like it all really, and just like to let all of it take me off
and away as all the albums get washed over me again and return to the
sea..then back...again

1)OPA-LOKA---simply the best...hands down winner of it ALL......SIMON I
MISS YOU...PLEASE COME HANG OUT WHILE I DRINK AND I'll HAVE WHATEVER YOUR
POISON WAITING......BROCK BASS-----BEST BASS....WOW!

2)SPACE TRAVELLERS (I LIED)

only going to say what the best hawkwind song ever recorded was by
number....the rest of these flow in the blood stream and cause me to feel
"special" just having heard them......


 Born To Go (space rit 1)...Orgone ACC (space rit.1), Brainstorm (doremi),
Damage Of Life, Phenomenon of Luminosity, FLESH FONDUE(S.C>), Fall
Earth,N.DRIVE(cool pulse)...ALL OF CHURCH

ALL OF BBC TRANS LP---the DIKMIK FREAKOUT WILL KILL YOU ON A PROPER TABLE
SET-UP...not to mention everyone,,,,but brocks guitar on Born To Go...tops
it all(fer me)

 Thats enough outtameee...........you'd be a mommas boy too if you had
mine,,,,and I'm not really.....never was .....just a mooch..thats all...
VENOMFANNN RoKKK ......


From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Thu Dec 14 14:33:06 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:33:06 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <F234y6PhuQinOkrx8Bi0000d1d7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.193306.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <F234y6PhuQinOkrx8Bi0000d1d7 at hotmail.com>, Juba N
<pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM> writes
>The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
>course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
>bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
>Upside Down. Pure Magic!!
>Or ... at the end of A&B (WotEoT) when they shift gear and change into
>Golden Void and then Simon Houses violin goes off the top. Always gives me
>goose-bumps.

Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
It's a MiniKorg 700.

>Or ... the end of Space Is Deep (SR again) when the jam on,getting more and
>more relaxed and then drifts off into outer space.
>Or ... when the drums kick in on Lighthouse (live 79)
>Or ...

When the drums kick in on Motorway City (Live 79)

--
David Blair


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Thu Dec 14 18:00:14 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:00:14 -0600
Subject: HW: THE DELETE BUTTONS???
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.170014.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 can almost hear moaning "OH GOD" "NOT HIM"'s across the
lands......BUT....and I AM NOT PROMOTING ILL ACTIVITIES/BAD HEALTH
CHOICES...etc..etc....so RENEE...COVER MICHEALS EYES PLEEEEEZZ.....

anybody ever drink too much on top of their painkillers (when being treated
for pain-of course),,,,,and opt for the "Rocking Chair" LP????.....what a
classic drink of water that makes...........

                                         DIE HARRRD (we ain't GONNA)


From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:13:57 2000
From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:13:57 -0800
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.161357.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> >In message <200012141246.HAA03044 at syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr.
> ><tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> writes
> >>On 13 Dec 00, at 23:35, Jerry Guizar wrote:
> >>
> >>>    Just curious what kind of turntables list members use to listen to
> >>> vinyl - I hope there are some.

>I've had a Thorens (model 280 I think) turntable for something like 10
>years.  While I don't use it very often, it has been reliable for me.  And,
>at the time I bought it, it was getting good reviews in the mags like
>Stereo
>Review.
>
>Vince

I, too, have a Thorens (model 145, I think.) Had for over 20 years-same
stylus, too.

Mark

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From mordru at FLITE.NET  Thu Dec 14 13:18:21 2000
From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:18:21 -0500
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <F234y6PhuQinOkrx8Bi0000d1d7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.131821.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 02:28 PM 12/14/00 -0000, Juba N wrote:
>The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
>course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
>bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
>Upside Down. Pure Magic!!

I have to agree with you there, it is my favorite moment on SR.

Though for me, the opening moments of Moonglum (before the vocals) on tCotBS
are right up there, too.

There are probably dozens of others, too...


=============================
"To dwell within Samsara, however, is to
 be subject to the works of those mighty
 among dreamers."

 - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light"

Andrew Apold


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec 14 20:44:25 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:14:25 +1030
Subject: HW:Finest Moments
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.121425.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Incidently....does anyone else get that chills down your spine thing when
> they doA&B / Golden void ? that slide from one to the other always makes
me
> feel like a cold breeze blowing on my neck. Always a magic moment wherever
it
> appears

I love playing and singing A&B - golden void

Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Ogilvy <Alogilvy at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:39 AM
Subject: HW:Finest Moments


> Distilling almost 28 yrs of Hawk addiction into finest moments...Hmmm!
> difficult task , Memory being what it is and tastes changing with moods
but
> finally , if anyones interested, after much soul searching , my moments of
> glory...
>
> LIVE
>
> Stonehenge '77...My memory of robot is that calvert was wearing a sort of
> "Arabic " costume with one of those curved swords and that there was a
robot
> on stage, or someone dressed up anyway. ....However, my memory was quite
> possibly somewhat slightly "adjusted " by certain chemical intrusions into
my
> metabolism !!
> ...I would be interested to read anyone elses recollections of the night
> before solstice gig that year . This was definitely my favourite ever HW
gig.
> The projections were amazing. I recall pictures of flying elephants
(Possibly
> the Osibisa album cover) projected on screens either side of the stage. I
> also have a recollection of Steppenwolf, High rise and reefer madness from
> that night.
>  Earth ritual tour ...Guildford
>   (I think it was march '84...You know, the tour with the big programme
with
> the drawing of the 2 hawks against an exploding sphere on the
cover.)...This
> was the first time id seen HW for a couple of years...Nik in a straight
> jacket on brainstorm sticks in my mind, with a huge car hub cap around his
> neck, and several individuals...Possibly including Kris...in white coats
> trying to pin him down !
>  and the Mad Proffesors Laboratory tour (I think thats what it was called)
> Hammersmith Odeon ...Laser Overdose !
>
>
>  ON ALBUM
>
>  All of Warrior (Best Album Ever Made !!) (By Anyone !!) (IMHO)
>
>  Quark (2nd best album ever !!)...well it has to be , just for the
definitive
> Spirit Of the Age , and Damnation Alley.....Simons violin...Wow Goosebumps
or
> what !!
>
>  Motorway city...any version
>
>  Totally agree with Orgone / Upside down combination on SR
>
>   Incidently....does anyone else get that chills down your spine thing
when
> they doA&B / Golden void ? that slide from one to the other always makes
me
> feel like a cold breeze blowing on my neck. Always a magic moment wherever
it
> appears
>
>
>  And I cant finish this list without including Spirit of the age at
> Hawkestra...Total magic moment !!
>
>  In fact Hawkestra in its entirety is gradualy replacing 'henge '77,...
the
> more distance between my memories and the actual event the more treasured
it
> becomes.
>
>
> Well, there you have it...an interesting exercize....first time i've tried
to
> do that objectively.
>
>  Please though...I realy would like to hear anyone elses recollections of
> stonehenge '77....It was a life changing experience for me and if anyone
out
> there went and would like to compare their recollections....or just drift
> down memorylane ( damnation Alley ?) , I'd love to read it !
>
> All the Best
>
> Alistair


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec 14 20:51:25 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:21:25 +1030
Subject: HW: THE DELETE BUTTONS???
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.122125.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

oh no - I have been influenced once again by the evil ways of Mike Coleman

quick get the Shock Treatment Kit (by mattell) out and restore my  balance /

zZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzZZZZccchchhhhhh

Thats better!!  8>)

How you doing Bros

Mb


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Coleman <deltawave at METRONET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:30 AM
Subject: HW: THE DELETE BUTTONS???


> can almost hear moaning "OH GOD" "NOT HIM"'s across the
> lands......BUT....and I AM NOT PROMOTING ILL ACTIVITIES/BAD HEALTH
> CHOICES...etc..etc....so RENEE...COVER MICHEALS EYES PLEEEEEZZ.....
>
> anybody ever drink too much on top of their painkillers (when being
treated
> for pain-of course),,,,,and opt for the "Rocking Chair" LP????.....what a
> classic drink of water that makes...........
>
>                                          DIE HARRRD (we ain't GONNA)


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:42:57 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:42:57 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001213155917.009e7b00@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.004257.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 15.59 -0800 13.12.2000, Doug Pearson wrote:
>1) 'Space Ritual' - as "Earth Calling" fades out, the synth tone rises,
>slower and slower and slooooower ... almost EXCRUCIATINGLY building the
>tension until Dave breaks out the "Born To Go" guitar riff, followed in
>rapid succession by Lemmy and the rest.

Yes, yes! That's the one :)

Cheers,
Carl

ObMP3: er, well, Mylene Farmer, "Libertine", _Live a Bercy_, actually ...

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:44:46 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:44:46 +0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001213161036.009ea2b0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.004446.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 16.10 -0800 13.12.2000, Doug Pearson wrote:
>Just thought I'd toss out a "nice job" to sometimes boc-l members Scott
>Heller and Carl Anderson who conducted interviews with On Trial and Tangle
>Edge in the latest issue of the very cool Belgain psych/space/prog/etc zine
>'Crohinga Well'.

I heard from Scott that this came out at last (I only participated a
bit in the Tangle Edge interview). Damn, that was back just after
J?nk?ping '98! Is it online, or shall I have to track down a paper
copy?

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:46:35 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:46:35 +0000
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJLIAFKICKEIPGDFMCEBGGLAA.richard@cranium.co.nz>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.004635.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I cannot claim to be much of a stoner (especially these days, for
good or for ill), but, well, Hawkwind kick arse :)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:48:16 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:48:16 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <F234y6PhuQinOkrx8Bi0000d1d7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.004816.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 14.28 +0000 14.12.2000, Juba N wrote:
>The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
>course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
>bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
>Upside Down. Pure Magic!!

Ah ... I always shout for "Upside Down" once at every HW gig.
Strangely, they never play it ...

:)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 14 19:56:08 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:56:08 +0000
Subject: HW: LARRY BOYD
In-Reply-To: <v03007800b65eef6467a7@[207.170.105.133]>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.005608.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 16.19 -0600 14.12.2000, Mike Coleman wrote:
>  Your video is here unopened awaiting one or 2 more days when I can stop
>showing interest in these chat groups and get down to business.....going to
>have Das Ludicroix/ hawkvid night soon .............

I think, objectively speaking, there are some quite good moments on
the DL SD99 and Mandelbrot 2000 vids. Not all of it, but certainly
some damn fine peaks! Mr. Jarrett may be willing to back me up on
this, as a disinterested observer :)

As a random plug: <http://www.mp3.com/DasLudicroix/>  (I think!)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Thu Dec 14 21:23:38 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:23:38 -0600
Subject: HW: PILLARS OF HERCULES and MATTELL SHOCKED
In-Reply-To: <006b01c06639$88de1a40$25d0223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.202338.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

  Hello michael + family........Are you sure that thing was made by
mattell....I used to love that company.......but not anymore......that felt
like a real stun-gun bro!!!!!!

 OWWWWWWWWW     CHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!         well...I am much better but as
you guys can see ......I still have to go look in the mirror and there's
the guy that was there before.........


 anybody near dallas teaching burn-outs how to become human and gainful????

Proper time and money-management????   how to not vascillate so confusingly
between being almost as damn cool as brock, and the lowest scuzz......in my
own insecurity hell....

how to get a date with a fairly nice chick that is a least sexxy if she is
over 250????



how to say no to an LP I can't afford when I already have 20 of it and
don't need????


well,,on a positive note....dear friends of mine (I mean-my friends--I DO
have some)...remember MARC SPERHAUK.........he sent me an email
today......says re-established contact with me is a good thing!!!!   Too
great!  made my day.....saw me on BOB LENNON's list...........

will say hello from those that know and have asked of him when I get his
new #.......................


Micheal...I'll figure out some trades fairly soon, and don't worry......you
can read my evil......your wife will save you from the demons....I can
control who they infest and I only send them to thieves..........RiPPP
RRREYEDRRR










oh no - I have been influenced once again by the evil ways of Mike Coleman
>
>quick get the Shock Treatment Kit (by mattell) out and restore my  balance /
>
>zZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzZZZZccchchhhhhh
>
>Thats better!!  8>)
>
>How you doing Bros
>
>Mb
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Mike Coleman <deltawave at METRONET.COM>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:30 AM
>Subject: HW: THE DELETE BUTTONS???
>
>
>> can almost hear moaning "OH GOD" "NOT HIM"'s across the
>> lands......BUT....and I AM NOT PROMOTING ILL ACTIVITIES/BAD HEALTH
>> CHOICES...etc..etc....so RENEE...COVER MICHEALS EYES PLEEEEEZZ.....
>>
>> anybody ever drink too much on top of their painkillers (when being
>treated
>> for pain-of course),,,,,and opt for the "Rocking Chair" LP????.....what a
>> classic drink of water that makes...........
>>
>>                                          DIE HARRRD (we ain't GONNA)


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Thu Dec 14 21:14:05 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:14:05 -0800
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.181405.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:44:46 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson
<carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM> wrote:
>At 16.10 -0800 13.12.2000, Doug Pearson wrote:
>>Just thought I'd toss out a "nice job" to sometimes boc-l members Scott
>>Heller and Carl Anderson who conducted interviews with On Trial and Tangle
>>Edge in the latest issue of the very cool Belgain psych/space/prog/etc zine
>>'Crohinga Well'.
>
>I heard from Scott that this came out at last (I only participated a
>bit in the Tangle Edge interview). Damn, that was back just after
>J?nk?ping '98!

They seem to be on about the same schedule that 'Forced Exposure' or
'Freakbeat!' were on during their last days (years) ... I hope that isn't a
premonition!  I had forgotten that I had a subscription.  Most of the
albums in their review sections came out over a year ago and are sometimes
not even the most recent release by the band in question, but hey - at
least they're covering the good stuff ...

>Is it online, or shall I have to track down a paper copy?

The latter, I'm afraid (AFAIK) ...

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Thu Dec 14 21:32:16 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:32:16 +0100
Subject: OFF: Vinyl and ON: H/W
In-Reply-To: <200012150151.CAA28970@post.webmailer.de>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.033216.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

-----Original Message-----

>I've been using one by Dual (German company) for the last 12 years or
so
>... I don't remember the model number, but it's a very fine one and
even
>runs at 78rpm.  Anyone know if they (Dual) still manufacture
turntables?

Yep, they sure do. I picked one up a couple of years ago. they also make
a nice line in TV's and radios, etc. Check out www.dual-turntables.com.

On the subject of buying Hawkwind, has anyone looked at the German
Amazon site (www.amazon.de) which lists some 98 Hawkwind selections the
last time I looked (many of which I haven't heard of.) I've listed those
available here any way but out of interest when I looked a couple of
weeks ago they had all the Weird Tapes and some other stuff (there were
in fact 152 HW selections.)  Also, for those in Britain, you might find
that the prices are cheaper in Germany (quite a lot of stuff is
actually.)

Listo...

Master Of The Universe (CD)
Dawn Of The Hawkwind (CD)
Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin (Live At the Empire Pool '73) (CD)
Live Chronicles [DOUBLE CD]
Collectors Series 1: Complete 79 [DOUBLE CD]
Collectors Series Vol.2: Live [DOUBLE CD]
Dawn Of The Hawkwind
Electric Tepee
Epoch-Eclipse
In Your Area
It s The Business Of The Futur
Levitation
Live (The 1999 Party) [DOUBLE CD]
Live And Rare (Onward Flies The Bird)
Live at Glastonbury 1990
Live In 79
The Masters
Mighty Hawkwind Classics (1980-1985)
Palace Springs
Space Bandits
The Stonehenge Collection [DOUBLE CD]
This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic
The Xenon Codex
Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind V [DOUBLE CD]
Zones
30 Year Anthology [BOX SET]
Independent Days Vol. 1 & 2
Anthology - Digipack [UK-Import] [DOUBLE CD] [IMPORT]
Anthology of Cosmic Music [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Best of & The Rest of [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gaga [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Business Trip Live [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Church of Hawkwind [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Decide Your Future [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Electric Teepee [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Family Box Set [US-Import] [BOX SET] [IMPORT]
In Search of Space-The Sixties [US-Import] [BOX SET] [IMPORT]
Indepedent Days Vol.1 & 2 [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Masters of the Universe [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Masters Of...(Cdp7920252) [UK-Import] [IMPORT]
Mighty Classics 1980-85 [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Out & Intake [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Psychedelic Warlords-Best of [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Space Bandits [UK-Import] [IMPORT]
Spirit of the Age [US-Import] [IMPORT]
This Is Hawkwind Do Not Pani [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Thrilling Hawkwind Stories [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Vol. 2-25 Years on [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Welcome to the Future [US-Import] [BOX SET] [IMPORT]
Xenon Codex [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Year 2000-Codename Hawkwind [US-Import] [IMPORT]
Best of [UK-Import] [IMPORT]  (not available yet)
Collectors Series 6 [UK-Import] [IMPORT]  (not available yet)
The Masters [UK-Import] [IMPORT]  (not available yet)

Cheers,

Seb


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Thu Dec 14 21:40:24 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:40:24 -0600
Subject: HW: MYSTERY SHOCK
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.204024.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

  OH WOW...so if you simply shocked yourself.....WAIT..you shocked me and
said you shocked yourself didn't you!!  MICHAEL...you Tasmanian D
you!!!......otherwise who shocked me/or what???  guilty conscience???


 so do they have "OUTBACK" steak-houses outback??????

                                           aquarious february los angeles


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Thu Dec 14 21:52:20 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:52:20 +0100
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.035220.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <004701c063d6$28aab080$4e51893e at default>, david hall
<dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK> writes
>    I saw this mob at Stonehenge 84 they followed on from Hawkwind (who
were
>    brilliant). By that point I had developed some bad stomach cramps
(courtesy of the
>    scrumpy and other exotic fare) and was bent double over and
clinging to some
>    scaffolding at the side of the stage. I couldn't move, I was in
agony, my mate was
>    chucking up a few feet away....then that mob started
up....horrible, horrible....I
>    couldn't escape -more sonic shite than sonic attack. Having
recovered slightly I
>    returned to the stage to witness the Cardiacs, that just about
finished me off. Bad
>    feelings evaporated somewhat on the arrival of the Hawks for the
dawn gig.
>
>    Thought I'd share that with you
>

I remember seeing them some years ago at the Marquee (another farewell
concert, 2 nights entitled In The Region Of Summer Stars) which was
memorable for the fact that for an encore some little punk oadie played
the drums while they did an excellent version of Anarchy In The UK. The
Stand website shows that they are quite, er, pompous though, although I
never knew that Robert Godfrey had anything to do with Barclay James
Harvest.

Cheers,

Seb

--- From The Stand Website ---
Godfrey and Stewart find themselves working with a wide range of
artists, from Terry Hall and Katrina and the Waves, to New Model Army,
Christian Death and Conflict. Their reputation and influence has
permeated some unexpected areas of modern music. Conflict say on the
sleeve notes of their album The Final Conflict: "We would like to pay
tribute to The Enid for the inspiration of their life and work."
--- Do What -------------------
-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Thu Dec 14 22:25:13 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:25:13 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.222513.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>

>I'm using a Rega Planar 2, I'd recommend it very highly indeed. It wasn't
>too expensive (about ?150- say $250- when I got it earlier this year) but
it's
>superb. The thing that puts some people off Rega turntables is that various
>things have to be done manually e.g. changing the belt drive (rather than
>just flicking a switch) if you want to play a 45rpm record. But this is all
very
>easy, and not having to pay for the extra electrical innards means you get
a
>remarkably low price for the quality.

   I thought the Rega's were more expensive than that. Was that brand new?
Without a cartridge? I don't mind changing belts. I checked out a few ads
for
used ones (mainly Linn and VPI - out of my price range even used). I'm not
sure if I want to use Ebay or UBid. A friend told me about a shop that sells
and repairs older tube based equipment. I'll have to have him take me there
so I can see what they have for myself.

   I still have a copy of Palace Springs on vinyl that I've never listened
to :(

Thanks,
Jerry


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec 14 21:39:09 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:09:09 +1030
Subject: HW  :  me  needs a Hawkwind fix
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.130909.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

    Hi Hawk friends

Want to get my hands on the following CD's If at all possible

The Chronocle Of The Black Sword

Live Chronicles (original release - GCDHA-0136-2)

The Hawklords

Hawklords Live

Warrior On The Edge Of Time

Quark Strangeness & Charm

Thank you for your Interest :)

Mb

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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 14 23:37:46 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:37:46 EST
Subject: HW: L***Y B**D
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.233746.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

mike, ol' buddy ol' pal,

may i never see my name in caps as a boc-l subject title again. yeesh.

heh

"<>"

ps> carl et al.

<A HREF="http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/129/das_ludicroix.html">MP3.com -
Das Ludicroix</A>


From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET  Fri Dec 15 00:59:00 2000
From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:59:00 -0500
Subject: HW: MYSTERY SHOCK
In-Reply-To: <v03007802b65f33eb9cc6@[207.170.105.211]>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.005900.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 20:40 12.14.00 -0600, you wrote:

What does this have to do with Hawkwind?
Please use appropriate subject line or talk off-list.


>  OH WOW...so if you simply shocked yourself.....WAIT..you shocked me and
>said you shocked yourself didn't you!!  MICHAEL...you Tasmanian D
>you!!!......otherwise who shocked me/or what???  guilty conscience???
>
>
> so do they have "OUTBACK" steak-houses outback??????
>
>                                           aquarious february los angeles
>
>


From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 01:11:26 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:11:26 EST
Subject: TEST: boc book
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.011126.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

martin popoff, author of the excellent 'collector's giude to heavy metal' and 
'goldmine's heavy metal price guide', is near completing his next book, 'BLUE 
OYSTER CULT EXPLAINED'. should be out next year.

he's a huge fan, and judging from his reviews in the aforementioned 
'collector's guide', "understands" boc; although 'mirrors' is his fave lp...

right...we'll read this right after lem's book...
bobm ?
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From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Fri Dec 15 02:36:25 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:36:25 -0500
Subject: HW: Party and hotel thing
In-Reply-To: <009601c06559$a0bb5460$543f883e@jds>; from
 jill@THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Wed, Dec 13,
 2000 at 11:08:37PM -0000
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.023625.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:08:37PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote:
> The New Atlantic
> Hotel is a Budget version of the Vienna group.   No conference
> facilities (though there are communal areas I think)  and prices are
> 43 pounds for a single without en-suite facilities  55 pounds for a
> single with en-suite.   Doubles/twins are 73 pounds without en-suite
> and (something else - I didn't write it down!) with.

This looks good pricewise, but the lack of a meeting room is a
bummer.  Here are two more.

The Royal National (thanks, Arin):
        http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels/royalnational/index.html

Perhaps you'd already ruled this one out for some reason, but in
case not: their standard rate is ?65 single, ?82 double or twin,
?99 triple; and they do mention "Conference and Banqueting
Facilities".  Just off Russell Sq, so a short walk to the venue.

Also the Fielding:
        http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels/royalnational/index.html

A bit pricier (?76 single, ?100 double or twin), a bit farther
away (in Covent Garden -- looks like about 4 knuckles on my map
:-) which would be about 2 miles), and no mention of meeting
rooms.

The page these came from,
http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/budgethotels, also lists a bunch
in the Paddington/Hyde Park/Marylebone/Oxford Street area, not to
mention Bayswater/Kensington Gardens/Notting Hill/Portobello
Road.  But these latter -- though imbued with some nostalgia,
especially for the band (grin) -- are getting a little far from
Charing Cross Road).

If needed, I'll go through these on the weekend looking for
candidates to call.

PS: How the $*@~! do you say "Marylebone", anyway?  (It's
England, so either the "y" or the "e"'s gotta be silent ... but
which one?)

Thanks for all this phoning around, Jill!

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec 14 13:20:03 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:20:03 +0000
Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001214150026.0094e420@pop.eunet.no>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.2000.182003.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <4.2.0.58.20001214150026.0094e420 at pop.eunet.no>,
christmu at eunet.no <christmu at EUNET.NO> writes
>
>THE TEMPLE OF THE BLASPHEMERS OF SODOM HAVE INITIATED THE CRACKWAVE 2000
>BLACK MASS
>
><small caps> Out of hash and mildly excited that I ordered the new Alan
>Davey CD.
>
>ObCD: Cro-Mags - Alpha Omega


Welcome back, Chris.
--
Jon


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec 15 04:57:07 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:27:07 +1030
Subject: HW: MYSTERY SHOCK
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.202707.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>  so do they have "OUTBACK" steak-houses outback??????


you mean like Kangaroo on a stick?
& other assorted yums like wichity grub stew?

you will find out when you come over here for the BIG Hawkwind concert party
in sunny Queensland in the near future................

8>)
Mb
(curry guru / enchilada king)



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Coleman <deltawave at METRONET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: HW: MYSTERY SHOCK


>   OH WOW...so if you simply shocked yourself.....WAIT..you shocked me and
> said you shocked yourself didn't you!!  MICHAEL...you Tasmanian D
> you!!!......otherwise who shocked me/or what???  guilty conscience???
>
>
>  so do they have "OUTBACK" steak-houses outback??????
>
>                                            aquarious february los angeles


From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO  Fri Dec 15 05:20:50 2000
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:20:50 +0200
Subject: OS/HW: Lemmy hospitalized
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.122050.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

just heared from a fellow "mot?rhad-enthusiast" that lemmy's been
hospitalized, after having collapsed on stage somewhere on tour in italy
- the rest of the tour being cancelled...
anybody knows if this is true or what?

ketil svendsen,
norway


From m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK  Fri Dec 15 06:50:59 2000
From: m.jermy at CRANFIELD.AC.UK (Mark Jermy)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:50:59 -0000
Subject: OFF:  Seasonal message which is not limited to this season
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.115059.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> From:    SLOTERDIJK <SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET>
> Subject: Seasonal message which is not limited to this season

This celebration, in it's traditional pagan form, is a festival of lights-
an interlude of light and feasting in the long Northern winter. So it's
appropriate as a time of reflection on the good things, and on the light at
the end of the tunnel.

Best of luck Mike.

Mark

NP: Apocalypse (Sampler from label Grave News) (office system alternates
between Goth and Spacerock)


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Fri Dec 15 07:15:14 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:15:14 +0100
Subject: ON: H/W Amnesty Single
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.131514.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In 1995 I wrote the following:

>7" Picture Disc - Amnesty Single. (No music, just interview. Picture
>on one side is Harvey Bainbridge. I believe there's only one copy.)

Picture on the other side is just a page from the NME. The interviews
are with various people, not necessarily Hawkwind. Now that I'm back on
the list I've noticed that there are quite a few more experts so could
anyone shed any light on this?

Cheers,

Seb

-------------------
Sebastian Welton
sebastian at welton.de
www.welton.de
-------------------


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 15 06:53:52 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:53:52 EDT
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0012141523140.18926-100000@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.075352.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 14 Dec 00, at 15:31, Paul Mather wrote:

> NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_

Paul, what's the verdict on this one?  I've been meaning to get it.
Way back when, I wore out vinyl copies of Inner Mounting Flame
and Birds of Fire.  Got to see the band at an outdoor gig with--get
this--Ravi Shankar opening...

theo


From JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 08:04:46 2000
From: JLoehr4299 at AOL.COM (Joe Loehr)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:04:46 EST
Subject: OS/HW: Lemmy hospitalized
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.080446.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Check the 'Latest News' section of imotorhead.com

Joe Loehr
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From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Fri Dec 15 07:47:49 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:47:49 -0400
Subject: OFF: Mahavishnu Project (was Re: OFF: Vinyl)
In-Reply-To: <200012151254.HAA03653@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.084749.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> On 14 Dec 00, at 15:31, Paul Mather wrote:
>
>> NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_
>
> Paul, what's the verdict on this one?  I've been meaning to get it.
> Way back when, I wore out vinyl copies of Inner Mounting Flame
> and Birds of Fire.  Got to see the band at an outdoor gig with--get
> this--Ravi Shankar opening...
>
> theo

Go see the Mahavishnu Project if you get the chance. They played Rochester
recently and were pretty amazing. They played all of Birds of Fire and Inner
Mounting Flame, and I think some stuff from The Lost Trident Sessions as
well (I don't own the album, but I read that the were breaking out some of
these "new" tunes at gigs.)

BTW, there are no Mahavishnu Orchestra members in the band, they're just a
really talented cover band.

Brian

p.s. also check out the Zappa cover band Project Object if possible. I saw
them with Ike Willis and they put on an incredibly fun show.


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 15 08:01:43 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:01:43 EDT
Subject: OFF: Mahavishnu Project (was Re: OFF: Vinyl)
In-Reply-To: <B65F8B35.15BD%blackblade@bhalligan.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.090143.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 15 Dec 00, at 8:47, Brian Halligan wrote:

> Go see the Mahavishnu Project if you get the chance. They played
> Rochester recently and were pretty amazing. They played all of Birds
> of Fire and Inner Mounting Flame, and I think some stuff from The Lost
> Trident Sessions as well (I don't own the album, but I read that the
> were breaking out some of these "new" tunes at gigs.)
>
> BTW, there are no Mahavishnu Orchestra members in the band, they're
> just a really talented cover band.

Oh, no!  They were in Syracuse, and I didn't go.  I thought it was an
Indian music band!  Geezzz...

theo


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec 15 09:47:49 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:47:49 -0500
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.094749.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:52:20 +0100, Sebastian Welton <sebastian at WELTON.DE>
wrote:

>
>I remember seeing them some years ago at the Marquee (another farewell
>concert, 2 nights entitled In The Region Of Summer Stars) which was
>memorable for the fact that for an encore some little punk oadie played
>the drums while they did an excellent version of Anarchy In The UK.

Are you sure it wasn't Pretty Vacant? That was a regular encore, usually
sung by drummer Chris North (which would explain the roadie filling in).
Another frequent encore was a raucous version of Wild Thing, with Godfrey
camping it up outrageously and proving that he did possess a sense of
humour. If this subversive wit (and shredding guitar) had surfaced more
frequently they would have been a better band.


>Stand website shows that they are quite, er, pompous though, although I
>never knew that Robert Godfrey had anything to do with Barclay James
>Harvest.

Gawd yeah, he's spent much of his adult life trying to sue them over
royalties. As I understand it the case was eventually resolved in his
favour but he didn't get any dosh because of some legal technicality.

>--- From The Stand Website ---
>Godfrey and Stewart find themselves working with a wide range of
>artists, from Terry Hall and Katrina and the Waves, to New Model Army,
>Christian Death and Conflict. Their reputation and influence has
>permeated some unexpected areas of modern music. Conflict say on the
>sleeve notes of their album The Final Conflict: "We would like to pay
>tribute to The Enid for the inspiration of their life and work."

Their connection with Conflict was one of the more improbable associations,
although a smattering of hardcore punks would often show up at Enid gigs
and seemed to greatly enjoy the fey neo-classicism on offer. Anarcho-punks
Crass (closely linked to Conflict) also lived on a farm and tried to
maintain a completely autonomous existence, so there was a parallel with
the Enid there, making the connection a litle less mind-boggling perhaps.
I'm pretty sure RJG would not have been sympathetic to their politics
though- I once saw him engaged in an animated discussion in the Marquee
bar, exclaiming "you can't have a society of anarchists!"

Nick


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Fri Dec 15 10:02:27 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:02:27 -0000
Subject: Crass ( was:the Enid )
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.150227.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Their connection with Conflict was one of the more improbable
associations,
> although a smattering of hardcore punks would often show up at Enid gigs
> and seemed to greatly enjoy the fey neo-classicism on offer. Anarcho-punks
> Crass (closely linked to Conflict) also lived on a farm and tried to
> maintain a completely autonomous existence, so there was a parallel with
> the Enid there, making the connection a litle less mind-boggling perhaps.

Any Crass fans who don't know, Steve Ignorant is now gigging with the
utterly wonderful Stratford Mercenaries.

Cheers,

Rich.


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From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Fri Dec 15 10:08:55 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:08:55 -0600
Subject: HW: NOT FOR UNGODLY BOLTS(Please delete swiftly)
In-Reply-To: <f6.5a6f414.276afa1a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.090855.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>mike, ol' buddy ol' pal,
>
>may i never see my name in caps as a boc-l subject title again. yeesh.
>
>heh
>
>"<>"
>
>ps> carl et al.
>
><A HREF="http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/129/das_ludicroix.html">MP3.com -
>Das Ludicroix</A>

Larry....  Sorry,,,,,,everyone  ,,,,SORRY...........I guess I can get my
work done.....


Sadness is steep.............


PS--nice of Carl wasn't it.....Right on Carl......Larry's a cool
dude.(chap, human man, etc...)

 Chris Raymond's a cool dude too...EASY BOY...EASY.....


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Fri Dec 15 10:19:58 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:19:58 -0600
Subject: HW: Shock From Ungodly Bolts
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20001215005900.0069a378@wizvax.net>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.091958.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>At 20:40 12.14.00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>What does this have to do with Hawkwind?
>Please use appropriate subject line or talk off-list.
>
>
>>  OH WOW...so if you simply shocked yourself.....WAIT..you shocked me and
>>said you shocked yourself didn't you!!  MICHAEL...you Tasmanian D
>>you!!!......otherwise who shocked me/or what???  guilty conscience???
>>
>>
>> so do they have "OUTBACK" steak-houses outback??????
>>
>>                                           aquarious february los angeles
>>
>>

 Palace Springs was mostly recorded at "The Palace" in Los Angeles in 1989,
the place I was originally let out of the coolest UFO ever to make a shadow
move across the face of the earth.....on the 7th day, of course.....

 That show was the first time I'd travelled back since 67.....who else
would be worth it???


 There...it has a Hawkwind TIE-IN now!!!   it's Fixxxed!


From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Dec 15 10:19:47 2000
From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:19:47 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.151947.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
><< The finest moment has to be at the end of Orgone Accumulator ( on SR of
>course) when everybody seems to hang in limbo, Lemmy has finished his
>bass-solo, Simon on loose drums and then Brock launches into the riff of
>Upside Down. Pure Magic!!>>
>==
>would you mind if i commented on this, w/some trivia?
>
>yeah, that transition's pretty cool.
>
>but in the most literal sense, in terms of the 'space ritual' lp, that's
>an
>edit; when brock plays those chords  twice through, and king tumbles down
>into the now-riffing progression.
>right there. on the "1".

Yeah... whatever. It still sounds great, doesn?t it?

>
>and axually, heh, lemmy's bass solo on 'orgone accumulator' was
>edited/shortened a wee bit in the studio.

Not only that. I think it was re-recorded afterwards too.

Juba
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 10:24:44 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:24:44 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.102444.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/15/00 10:20:55 AM, pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< >
>and axually, heh, lemmy's bass solo on 'orgone accumulator' was
>edited/shortened a wee bit in the studio.

Not only that. I think it was re-recorded afterwards too.

Juba >>
=====
naahhhh....just trimmed a bit.

"<>"


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Fri Dec 15 10:35:06 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:35:06 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <200012151254.HAA03653@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.103506.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:

=> > NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_
=>
=> Paul, what's the verdict on this one?  I've been meaning to get it.
=> Way back when, I wore out vinyl copies of Inner Mounting Flame
=> and Birds of Fire.  Got to see the band at an outdoor gig with--get
=> this--Ravi Shankar opening...

If you like those two albums, and, especially, if you like the live
album, _Between Nothingness and Eternity_, then you ought to get _The
Lost Trident Sessions_.  Three songs from _The Lost Trident Sessions_
are worked live on _Between Nothingness and Eternity_.  _The Lost
Trident Sessions_ has incredible energy, and the improved production
allows you to follow the interplay between the musicians a lot easier.
I would grab it, if I were you. :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 15 10:47:31 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:47:31 -0600
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.094731.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This is the reply I got from choice hotels this morning
(based around me making an inquiry for a random number of nights,
since I had no idea when I was emailing.)

How does this sound?

I think this hotel has a description at:

http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/en-US/html/HotelInfo?sid=5ARO.2iB9BZniH.1&hotel=GB614&sname=London&sstate=EN&scountry=GB&sunits=M&sradius=40.22&slat=51.511826&slon=-0.126928&schain=A&exp=

(sorry for the really long URL.)

Arin
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Phil Taylor <PTaylor at ChoiceHotelsEurope.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:36:29 -0000
Subject: Availability Request
To: "'akomins at pobox.com'" <akomins at pobox.com>


Dear Ms Komins

I have today been passed your request for accommodation in Central London
and please accept my thanks for the interest you have expressed in Choice
Hotels.

I am pleased to offer you availability for the Quality Hotel Westminster,
arriving 28th December 2000 for 03 nights, 25 rooms for 35 guests.

For this I can offer a rate per room per night including VAT of ?35.00, all
meals being charged for as taken.

Ms Komins, I have provisionally reserved the rooms for you until the 20th
December 2000 and look forward to hearing from you again soon.

With kind regards

Phil Taylor
Travel Trade Sales Manager


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 15 09:55:25 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:55:25 EDT
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10012150937250.11681-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.105525.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 15 Dec 00, at 9:47, Arin Komins wrote:


> With kind regards
>
> Phil Taylor
> Travel Trade Sales Manager

Geez, I guess that's a better gig than pounding for Mot?rhead?

theo


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Fri Dec 15 11:15:01 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:15:01 -0600
Subject: HW: finest moments, Japaneese Space Rit. poster variants
In-Reply-To: <9b.e31f245.276b91bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.101501.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>In a message dated 12/15/00 10:20:55 AM, pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
><< >
>>and axually, heh, lemmy's bass solo on 'orgone accumulator' was
>>edited/shortened a wee bit in the studio.
>
>Not only that. I think it was re-recorded afterwards too.
>
>Juba >>
>=====
>naahhhh....just trimmed a bit.
>
>"<>"

 damn Larry...you have a HIGH IQ....I didn't realize you were this
gifted..WOW....interesting in the utmost actually.......I never would have
known any of this stuff....

will say though.....when I find the right way to pimp myself out, and can
afford that guitar I have been wanting to replace the "Hetfieldish" one my
friends got for me a long time ago to get me going again(that I played the
SH*T out of..developed my sound on, etc,,,then thrashed, dropped and
chipped it, then left with a friend, hating the body style where it
remains), I want the guy who did that LP editing, and  to use the old
Hawkwind studios where Dave used to play tricks on the engineers, feeding
them acid, and then hiding behind doorways, pointing, and laughing at
them.....(everything has to be to 11 though)

Hope they still stand...hope I can pay the current owners of the old
equipment to record....6 of me if they have to.......(or if I have to..due
to lack of yes-men)  Spike 100cc Full-Riggg (PS--NO member of the WIND is a
yes man in my eyes, or ever was.....I ONLY refer to Dave's comments about
himself!!!!!)


PS....in case this isn't HAWKWIND...I say this......

I throw this obscurity into the MIXXX and see if even one subscriber to
this list has "THE RIGHT STUFF"

 My 2 copies of the ORIGINAL japaneese SPACE RITUAL LP (promo and stock),
that comes with a booklet and poster(to die for)......BOTH have posters
that look like the stage is curving "upwards" at the sides...like a
fish-eye lens???

if you go to KOICHIRO FUTAMI's Japaneese website(accessible through the
"Welcome" site).....you can look at the one he has up and the stage (if I
remember right) appears to curve downwards at the sides.....you know, like
concave versus convexx....

does this mean that there are 2 versions of this poster?????   could it be
a trick of scanning????

Wilfried.....please report back to me when you can on this.......Mike


From christmu at EUNET.NO  Fri Dec 15 11:33:12 2000
From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:33:12 +0100
Subject: HW: Finest HW moments
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.173312.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Seeing them live in 1991.
The front cover illustration of "Zones".
"PXR5" and "Sonic Attack".
The Friday Rock Show Sessions, Reading 86 CD
The Reading University 05/19/92 live set.
The "Night of The Hawks" video.
Having sex on mescaline to "Electric Teepee".

Chr.

ObTrack: Akhkaharu "Cosmic Extacy"


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 11:49:33 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:49:33 EST
Subject: HW: finest moments, Japanese Space Rit. poster variants
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.114933.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/15/00 11:14:11 AM, deltawave at METRONET.COM writes:

<< >
>Not only that. I think it was re-recorded afterwards too.
>
>Juba >>
>=====
>naahhhh....just trimmed a bit.
>
>"<>"

 damn Larry...you have a HIGH IQ....I didn't realize you were this
gifted..WOW....interesting in the utmost actually.......I never would have
known any of this stuff....
 >>
====
arguably having a good ear, and an [allegedly] high iq, are not the same
thing, good ol' friend of mine.

but combine the 2, and the rent's still due  -_-
which i'll demonstrate not long from now
when i gotta go offline for awhile.
=
...and i had a streak of incorrect answers here earlier this year, too.

as for that version of 'orgone accumulator', well, i have the audience tape
of the same show, so...

...and as far as 're-recorded afterwards' on that SR 'orgone accumulator' are
concerned, calvert's vocals were in fact re-recorded afterwards.

"<>"

and if i might submit a 'finest moment'...
the brock solo at the end of the 45 version of 'paradox' was the original,
but the lp version was an overdub. not the _only_ overdub at the end of the
lp version..._everything_ done by simon house is an overdub, as he did not
play at that show.
...and the edmonton live 26/1/74 version is about 3 minutes longer from where
it fades on the lp, and i'd call brock's solo on the 8+ minute version a
'finest moment'.

it's not magic; all anyone has to do is listen.


From deltawave at METRONET.COM  Fri Dec 15 12:36:26 2000
From: deltawave at METRONET.COM (Mike Coleman)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:36:26 -0600
Subject: HW: HAWKWIND EDITS, SEVEN by SEVEN moments, per talk,,,,
In-Reply-To: <a0.d7252cc.276ba59d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.113626.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

   Ok Larry.....my IQ has been damaged.........your correct...also....an
established skinsman,,therefore....I enjoy lessons,,,,,

 Forgot to put single version of 7 by 7 in "all time moment " cat.....

 DOWNRIGHT  "GHOSTLY ALIEN COSMIC"   perrrrrfect vocal weirdnesses atop
spooky riffs....


  While the following is personal..it IS HAWKWIND related and I put the
following to you :

The old friend of mine who stole(I'm SURE) the RCA club WARRIOR I had, just
called while I was in the shower.....

I feel sure he did it as payback for LOUDLY VERBALLY assaulting him while
chasing him out of my house and into the street with a "garden
hoe",,,,,when he returned a tape he had borrowed without permission.

 Seems to me I should let that one go....bad apples....

BUT....I do wish he wouldn't have "Schitzed"...as we do go back to the 7th
grade......and MY WARRIOR!!  MY WARRIOR!!!   only problem is if I confront
him...he could turn on this house....even though I am almost always awake
and ready for blood....still....MOM....DOG.....house...

 Guess I should just ignore the call and pray one of you will contact me
with a trade in future in exchange for me "quieting off-list " for a
while????


                                        bye....I'll miss you....some of you...


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Fri Dec 15 12:59:00 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:59:00 +0000
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <00d801c06646$a367b300$c04a1818@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.175900.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <00d801c06646$a367b300$c04a1818 at stny.rr.com>, Jerry Guizar
<jguizar at STNY.RR.COM> writes
>
>   I thought the Rega's were more expensive than that. Was that brand new?
>Without a cartridge?

Should've mentioned, it was secondhand from an audiophile shop. There
was a cartridge included but I paid a bit extra for a better one.

>   I still have a copy of Palace Springs on vinyl that I've never listened
>to :(

Then you have much to look forward to!

--
Nick Medford


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Fri Dec 15 13:26:15 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:26:15 GMT
Subject: OT: Re: Seasonal message
In-Reply-To: John H. McCartney's message of Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:44:44 -0800
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.182615.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

John H. McCartney writes:

> There's been a fair amount of study on this sort of thing, people dying
> during or immediately after the holidays, with all sorts of inconclusive
> conclusions. Some say it's the stress that does it, others propose that
> there's a degree of 'hanging on' until then. The human mind/spirit is
> a mysterious thing.....

There was a story in the comics this week about a guy in a nursing home
who wanted to get his telegram from the Queen when he was 100. They had
a big party organised in the home for him. In the morning, they brought
him the post in bed. He read his telegram, said "I made it", and died
right then. I don't think there's much doubt that people can hang on if
they're determined enough.

FoFP

P.S: they had the party anyway...


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec 15 14:34:50 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:34:50 -0800
Subject: OFF: Crass ( was:the Enid )
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.113450.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:47:49 -0500, Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
wrote:
>Their connection with Conflict was one of the more improbable associations,
>although a smattering of hardcore punks would often show up at Enid gigs
>and seemed to greatly enjoy the fey neo-classicism on offer. Anarcho-punks
>Crass (closely linked to Conflict) also lived on a farm and tried to
>maintain a completely autonomous existence, so there was a parallel with
>the Enid there, making the connection a litle less mind-boggling perhaps.

And I believe that Hawkwind could be connected to Crass via their former
manager, whose recent one-hit-wonder cash cow from a couple years back was
a Crass spinoff?  Or am I full of it?

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Fri Dec 15 15:24:55 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:24:55 +0000
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJLIAFKICKEIPGDFMCEBGGLAA.richard@cranium.co.nz>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.202455.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Richard Stockwell wrote:

>         For one day I would love to have the job of selecting the music that gets
> piped over the  system in supermarkets and shopping malls. Wonder how
> shoppers would react to say Tim Blake or Pete Namlook being played. You
> would think the people in charge of selecting the music for shoppers to hear
> would have realised by now if you play people something meaningful they will
> shop longer.

        Yeah, but they'll stay longer yet if what's on is familiar and
unchallenging, sadly. And since most people aren't into Tim Blake, but
chart pap, that's what'll make the muzak. It's the mass demographic end of
the law that says the best way to get a crowd of goths dancing is to play
`Temple of Love' by the Sisters of Mercy - because they'll all know
it. For metallers it'll be `Ace of Spades', and for mall shoppers,
apparently, it's Robbie Williams's `Rock DJ'. Ugh.

        Once had to try and explain to someone what the difference between
lift muzak and `Warmth Within' by the Dead Flowers was, and
couldn't. Still regard that as a failure on my part. Yours,
                                                            Jon

n/p Disarray - `Possession (9/10ths of the law)'

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Fri Dec 15 15:41:42 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:41:42 -0000
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.204142.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'd just like to say as a (retired)goth 'Temple of Love' will put me
straight onto the dancefloor.

Mind you so would Ace of Spades.

And I have Danced to 'Groovy Train' by The Farm (alot) But then that was a
particularly sad episode in my life.

Sigh...Roll on the Tim Blake Muzak, I suppose the redeeming feature would be
they'd cut his singing for muzak...heh.

Rich

OBmp3: 'Play' - Moby


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind??????


> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Richard Stockwell wrote:
>
> >         For one day I would love to have the job of selecting the music
that gets
> > piped over the  system in supermarkets and shopping malls. Wonder how
> > shoppers would react to say Tim Blake or Pete Namlook being played. You
> > would think the people in charge of selecting the music for shoppers to
hear
> > would have realised by now if you play people something meaningful they
will
> > shop longer.
>
>         Yeah, but they'll stay longer yet if what's on is familiar and
> unchallenging, sadly. And since most people aren't into Tim Blake, but
> chart pap, that's what'll make the muzak. It's the mass demographic end of
> the law that says the best way to get a crowd of goths dancing is to play
> `Temple of Love' by the Sisters of Mercy - because they'll all know
> it. For metallers it'll be `Ace of Spades', and for mall shoppers,
> apparently, it's Robbie Williams's `Rock DJ'. Ugh.
>
>         Once had to try and explain to someone what the difference between
> lift muzak and `Warmth Within' by the Dead Flowers was, and
> couldn't. Still regard that as a failure on my part. Yours,
>                                                             Jon
>
> n/p Disarray - `Possession (9/10ths of the law)'
>
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."
>


From blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM  Fri Dec 15 15:14:17 2000
From: blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM (Brian Halligan)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:14:17 -0400
Subject: BRAIN: 2001 Gig
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.161417.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>From the ab fab new-look Surgeons site: http://www.cellsum.com

>Upcoming shows for the Brain Surgeons:
>
>Friday, January 5
>
>12:30 AM
>
>Meow Mix
>
>269 Houston Street
>
>New York, NY
>
>212-254-0688

Brian

P.S. You can check out their gear on the site now too.


--
Brian Halligan
mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
http://www.bhalligan.com


From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Fri Dec 15 16:14:50 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:14:50 -0500
Subject: OFF: Tape Trade 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.161450.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Another small update with a full list from Jon Jarrett and half a tape from
Andy Gilham.

Point your browsers to;

http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/boc2000.html

Stuart


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 16:23:01 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:23:01 EST
Subject: HW: Origin of "Blanga"?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.162301.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello. Is this a BOC-L term only?? There is that "Blanga-Guide" thing on the
web, there's the BtG tune "Meet the Blanga", too.

So what's the story? And how do _you_ pronounce it? At SD2K this year, Marc
Power said "blan (rhymes w/plan)-ga (as in ga-ga)".

I need a job, Chuck


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 15 17:03:51 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:03:51 EST
Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/9/00
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.170351.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

12/9/00

1.Subarachnoid Space--Circular Motion (Ether Or)
2.Circle--DNA (Surface)
3.  "     --Back to Pori (Pori)
4.Abunai!--Barbara Allen (Serotonin Ronin 2 comp)
5.Neu!--Isi (Neu!'75)

6.Malcolm Moony and the Tenth Planet--I Dream of You (ST'd)
7.Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus--Skirt the Deep (ST'd)
8.Komeda--Disko (The Magic of Komeda)
9.Quarkspace--Astral Grinder (Hidden Moon)

10.Ozric Tentacles--Stretchy (Jurassic Shift)
11.Knights of the Occasional Table--Trunky Wants a Bun (Le Elephants du
Paradis)
12.Gong--Sprinkling of Clouds (You)

13.Alien Sex Fiend--Buggin' Me (Impossible Mission Mini-LP)
14.Nik Turner--Master of the Universe (Space Ritual 1994)
15.Muslim Gauze--Fatwa (Abu Nidal)

16.Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual)

17.The Heavenly Music Corporation--Bioscape II (Anechoic)
18.Pressurehed--Red Delta (Sudden Vertigo)
19.Pressurehed--Shockneck (    "          "    )

thanks, Chuck
ps: did a set Mon, too, let's see...Quarkspace--Sheepfarm, Darxtar--Darker,
Hawkwind--Void City, Kraftwerk--Antenna, Mad Stof--Master Builder remix,
VDO--Reverie, The Dagons, Pressurehed, etc.

"SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR.
TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html
For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing
list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Fri Dec 15 17:04:09 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:09 -0500
Subject: HW: Simon House
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.170409.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Forwarding from 'egroups' (actually Yahoo now) Hawkwind list...

Courtesy of Rob 'Midnite Sun' Jacobs...

Hi, everyone.
  I just noticed Simon House is scheduled to be an in studio guest at
"TotalRock.com" tomorrow (or today depending on which part of the
planet you call home).  Here is their announcement verbatim:
"Simon House of Hawkwind will be wafting into the TotalRock studios on
Saturday, December 16, as the special guest on Skull and Doom's show
from 6pm to midnight.  Simon will not only be talking about his
extensive Hawkwind experiences, but also about his other projects.
Crazy Canadian genius Devin Townsend will also be joining the fun."
   Time is based on GMT, so I think that would be 10am - 4pm here in
Los Angeles, USA.  Sounds like it might be worth a listen.  I have no
idea who Devin Townsend is, however.
   See you all at the Astoria!
 - Rob Jacobs


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Fri Dec 15 17:14:35 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:14:35 -0800
Subject: HW: Origin of "Blanga"?
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.141435.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:23:01 EST, Chuck Rosenberg <Chuckrecs at AOL.COM> wrote:
>Hello. Is this a BOC-L term only?? There is that "Blanga-Guide" thing on the
>web, there's the BtG tune "Meet the Blanga", too.
>
>So what's the story?

As I understand it, the term originated because that's what you say when
you're singing along with "Born To Go" (the song) without knowing the
lyrics ...

"Blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blang! ... Blang blang blang
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga
 Blangaba blangaba blanga"
(repeat ad infinitum)

Or "Orgone Accumulator":
"Blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blang blang blang blang blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blang blang blang blang blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blang blang blang blang blanga blanga blanga blanga
 Blang blang blang blang blang ..."
(repeat)

OK, so there are some "blangaba"s and "blang"s in there, but you can get
the picture ...

>And how do _you_ pronounce it? At SD2K this year, Marc
>Power said "blan (rhymes w/plan)-ga (as in ga-ga)".

You say "blanguh", I say "blonga"?

        -Doug (who's always had a way with words)
         ceres at sirius.com


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Fri Dec 15 18:19:36 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:19:36 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.181936.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "Nick Medford" <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>

> In message <00d801c06646$a367b300$c04a1818 at stny.rr.com>, Jerry Guizar
> <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM> writes

> >   I still have a copy of Palace Springs on vinyl that I've never
listened
> >to :(
>
> Then you have much to look forward to!

   I just got my copy of Hawkwind: In Your Area   today. Thanks Richard.
Everyone at work thanks you too (they listen to Country and Western).
I thought it was about time they heard some real music :)

Thanks again Richard,
Jerry


From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM  Fri Dec 15 18:21:02 2000
From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:21:02 GMT
Subject: HW: Sam Fox
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.232102.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Everyone,

I just had a look at the official Sam Fox website (purely for the HW connection of course!) On the diary page there are a few pics (not very good) of Lemmy  from the glorius 21st. Also Kris gets a mention.
Its at:
www.samfox.co.uk/diary.shtm

Mick


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From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM  Fri Dec 15 18:37:27 2000
From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:37:27 +0000
Subject: OS/HW: Lemmy hospitalized
In-Reply-To: <3A39F081.7FAD4BB0@fiskaren.nhst.no>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.233727.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This evening I spoke to a fellow photographer that does a lot of work for
Kerrang rock magazine.
We touched upon the subject of Lemmy/Motorhead & HW. He said that he'd
heard that Lemmy had been advised by a doctor to rest for a month due to a
hitherto unknown health problem.We joked that the 'bottle of Jack Daniels a
day' habit may in some way be symptomatic of this.
But nobody knows any more on this subject at present.

I don't know about the rest of you out there, but when I looked at the pics
of him at the Hawkestra gig, I couldn't help thinking he looked
unwell...but I assumed he was probably suffering from a bout of jet lag.

melvyn


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 17:54:04 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:54:04 -0000
Subject: OFF: Mahavishnu Project (was Re: OFF: Vinyl)
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.225404.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

'Lost Trident Sessions' is a gem - it's the legenadary studio album that
should have followed 'Birds Of Fire' but then either the band or the label
(forget which) vetoed it and the live one came out instead. Anyway, yuo get
a couple of the tracks from the live album as shortened studio versions and
the reat are originals. All a bit short but represents that era's band in
full flowing flight and is an essential addition to the 'trilogy' - pity
it's so flamin' expensive in the UK where it costs us over nine pounds plus
VAT just to buy from the record company - I know a load of customers who are
just hanging in there waiting until it drops to mid-price!!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Halligan" <blackblade at BHALLIGAN.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:47 PM
Subject: OFF: Mahavishnu Project (was Re: OFF: Vinyl)


> > On 14 Dec 00, at 15:31, Paul Mather wrote:
> >
> >> NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_
> >
> > Paul, what's the verdict on this one?  I've been meaning to get it.
> > Way back when, I wore out vinyl copies of Inner Mounting Flame
> > and Birds of Fire.  Got to see the band at an outdoor gig with--get
> > this--Ravi Shankar opening...
> >
> > theo
>
> Go see the Mahavishnu Project if you get the chance. They played Rochester
> recently and were pretty amazing. They played all of Birds of Fire and
Inner
> Mounting Flame, and I think some stuff from The Lost Trident Sessions as
> well (I don't own the album, but I read that the were breaking out some of
> these "new" tunes at gigs.)
>
> BTW, there are no Mahavishnu Orchestra members in the band, they're just a
> really talented cover band.
>
> Brian
>
> p.s. also check out the Zappa cover band Project Object if possible. I saw
> them with Ike Willis and they put on an incredibly fun show.
>
>
> --
> Brian Halligan
> mailto:blackblade at bhalligan.com
> http://www.bhalligan.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 17:55:32 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:55:32 -0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.225532.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

if you or anyone want copies of Crohinga Well latest issue, with free CD's,
we have some now in stock here at CDS towers.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" <carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: OFF: Crohinga Well


> At 16.10 -0800 13.12.2000, Doug Pearson wrote:
> >Just thought I'd toss out a "nice job" to sometimes boc-l members Scott
> >Heller and Carl Anderson who conducted interviews with On Trial and
Tangle
> >Edge in the latest issue of the very cool Belgain psych/space/prog/etc
zine
> >'Crohinga Well'.
>
> I heard from Scott that this came out at last (I only participated a
> bit in the Tangle Edge interview). Damn, that was back just after
> J?nk?ping '98! Is it online, or shall I have to track down a paper
> copy?
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 18:03:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:03:10 -0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.230310.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I think (and I'm not sure so no offence if wrong) that Andre who runs CW has
not been in the best of health over the last year, which may explain things,
but I would imagine it must take an age to put the thing together - the new
issue is superb with more info than most. Equally as importantly, what omn
earth has happened to Tribe Of Cro - loads of activity and potential, then -
blat!!! - nothing for ages.
Andy Garibaldi.
P.S Let me be the first on this group to wish the rest of you a happy
Christmas and a great 2001 - pity I can't be there on 29th so bring me a
tape back someone (hee hee)
So, maybe to start another subject, what would Hawkwind fans like to see in
2001 that could top what's happened this year. Personally, I'd love to see a
collective of studio bound musicians doing an album of old material - sounds
a retro step possibly, but with all this reunion thing and the increasingly
less likely possibility of the Reuinon live album coming out in its
entirety, that would be the full stop to the whole thing - oh and a tour
that comes to Scotland please.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Pearson" <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: OFF: Crohinga Well


> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:44:46 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson
> <carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM> wrote:
> >At 16.10 -0800 13.12.2000, Doug Pearson wrote:
> >>Just thought I'd toss out a "nice job" to sometimes boc-l members Scott
> >>Heller and Carl Anderson who conducted interviews with On Trial and
Tangle
> >>Edge in the latest issue of the very cool Belgain psych/space/prog/etc
zine
> >>'Crohinga Well'.
> >
> >I heard from Scott that this came out at last (I only participated a
> >bit in the Tangle Edge interview). Damn, that was back just after
> >J?nk?ping '98!
>
> They seem to be on about the same schedule that 'Forced Exposure' or
> 'Freakbeat!' were on during their last days (years) ... I hope that isn't
a
> premonition!  I had forgotten that I had a subscription.  Most of the
> albums in their review sections came out over a year ago and are sometimes
> not even the most recent release by the band in question, but hey - at
> least they're covering the good stuff ...
>
> >Is it online, or shall I have to track down a paper copy?
>
> The latter, I'm afraid (AFAIK) ...
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 18:06:50 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:50 -0000
Subject: HW  :  me  needs a Hawkwind fix
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.230650.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Got 'Chronicle' (Griffin) Can get Hawkwlords Live and possibly the Live Chronicles - let me know OK.
Andy Garibaldi.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Blackman 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:39 AM
  Subject: HW : me needs a Hawkwind fix


      Hi Hawk friends

  Want to get my hands on the following CD's If at all possible

  The Chronocle Of The Black Sword

  Live Chronicles (original release - GCDHA-0136-2)

  The Hawklords

  Hawklords Live

  Warrior On The Edge Of Time

  Quark Strangeness & Charm

  Thank you for your Interest :)

  Mb

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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 19:15:19 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:15:19 -0000
Subject: No Dope + Hawkwind??????
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.001519.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

For those who never heard the story, I was contacted by a local indepenedent
supermarket in late '99 following an article on my Dead Earnest label in
Classic Rock magazine, and the result was that they played the music of
Spacehead, Krel, Mooch and Doug Snyder over the supermarket PA system for a
week, and we had Krel actually playing a near three hour set inside the
supermarket.
As a result of this we got invited to do a similar one-off in England, at
the enormous Sainsburys in Stafford, where we had videos set up around the
store showing videos of Mooch, Doug Snyder and Nash The Slash, while Krel
played for over three hours just oustide the place, and we raised a load of
money for the Siansburys Charity Of The Month and got some neat advance
local publicity.
Now we're waiting for someone somewhere else to invite us but it can't be
England or Scotland - we only do one-off's.
The supermarket tour will continue.....Macey's New York perhaps, Sainsburys,
Rhyl perhaps, FNAC, Paris maybe...depends who's willing to fund it all.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Jarrett" <jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: No Dope + Hawkwind??????


> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Richard Stockwell wrote:
>
> >         For one day I would love to have the job of selecting the music
that gets
> > piped over the  system in supermarkets and shopping malls. Wonder how
> > shoppers would react to say Tim Blake or Pete Namlook being played. You
> > would think the people in charge of selecting the music for shoppers to
hear
> > would have realised by now if you play people something meaningful they
will
> > shop longer.
>
>         Yeah, but they'll stay longer yet if what's on is familiar and
> unchallenging, sadly. And since most people aren't into Tim Blake, but
> chart pap, that's what'll make the muzak. It's the mass demographic end of
> the law that says the best way to get a crowd of goths dancing is to play
> `Temple of Love' by the Sisters of Mercy - because they'll all know
> it. For metallers it'll be `Ace of Spades', and for mall shoppers,
> apparently, it's Robbie Williams's `Rock DJ'. Ugh.
>
>         Once had to try and explain to someone what the difference between
> lift muzak and `Warmth Within' by the Dead Flowers was, and
> couldn't. Still regard that as a failure on my part. Yours,
>                                                             Jon
>
> n/p Disarray - `Possession (9/10ths of the law)'
>
> --
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Fri Dec 15 19:08:08 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:08:08 +1300
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
In-Reply-To: <001a01c066ed$7db6fb00$c04a1818@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.130808.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>I just got my copy of Hawkwind: In Your Area   today. Thanks Richard.
> Everyone at work thanks you too (they listen to Country and Western).
> I thought it was about time they heard some real music :)

Hey Jerry did those CD's arrive to you on the 15th December? I'm impressed
as they were posted from New Zealand on the 11th Dec and that is mighty fine
going for this time of year. Glad they made it before work finished for the
year ... glad the Country & Western fans dug Hawkwind ;)

Richard


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 19:17:47 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:17:47 -0000
Subject: HW: Simon House
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.001747.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

WOW -  HOUSE AND TOWNSEND!!!!!
Devin is ex-Strapping Young Lads musician and vocalist, now solo and
possessor of one seriously wild and heavy new album that takes industrial
electronic metal by the scruff of the neck and kicks its face in the dirt
while laughing manically - superb!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:04 PM
Subject: HW: Simon House


> Forwarding from 'egroups' (actually Yahoo now) Hawkwind list...
>
> Courtesy of Rob 'Midnite Sun' Jacobs...
>
> Hi, everyone.
>   I just noticed Simon House is scheduled to be an in studio guest at
> "TotalRock.com" tomorrow (or today depending on which part of the
> planet you call home).  Here is their announcement verbatim:
> "Simon House of Hawkwind will be wafting into the TotalRock studios on
> Saturday, December 16, as the special guest on Skull and Doom's show
> from 6pm to midnight.  Simon will not only be talking about his
> extensive Hawkwind experiences, but also about his other projects.
> Crazy Canadian genius Devin Townsend will also be joining the fun."
>    Time is based on GMT, so I think that would be 10am - 4pm here in
> Los Angeles, USA.  Sounds like it might be worth a listen.  I have no
> idea who Devin Townsend is, however.
>    See you all at the Astoria!
>  - Rob Jacobs


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 15 19:21:21 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:21:21 -0000
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.002121.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

while I was in Dublin I came across a branch of the EBS Building
Society -obviously they're making more than we thought!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: HW: rooms and stuff


> On 15 Dec 00, at 9:47, Arin Komins wrote:
>
>
> > With kind regards
> >
> > Phil Taylor
> > Travel Trade Sales Manager
>
> Geez, I guess that's a better gig than pounding for Mot?rhead?
>
> theo


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Fri Dec 15 19:42:22 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:42:22 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.194222.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "Richard Stockwell" <richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ>

> >I just got my copy of Hawkwind: In Your Area   today. Thanks Richard.
> > Everyone at work thanks you too (they listen to Country and Western).
> > I thought it was about time they heard some real music :)
>
> Hey Jerry did those CD's arrive to you on the 15th December? I'm impressed
> as they were posted from New Zealand on the 11th Dec and that is mighty
fine
> going for this time of year. Glad they made it before work finished for
the
> year ... glad the Country & Western fans dug Hawkwind ;)

    Yep. They were posted  11-DEC-00  15:05 (according to the package) and
I had them in my hands at 07:15 today (the 15th). I was surprised and happy.

Thanks,
Jerry


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Fri Dec 15 20:40:46 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:10:46 +1030
Subject: OS/HW: Lemmy hospitalized
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.121046.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> just heared from a fellow "mot?rhad-enthusiast" that lemmy's been
> hospitalized, after having collapsed on stage somewhere on tour in italy
> - the rest of the tour being cancelled...
> anybody knows if this is true or what?

If it is true then we should all send him some psychic healing energy
all it takes is a sincere thought


----- Original Message -----
From: Ketil Svendsen <ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:50 PM
Subject: OS/HW: Lemmy hospitalized


> just heared from a fellow "mot?rhad-enthusiast" that lemmy's been
> hospitalized, after having collapsed on stage somewhere on tour in italy
> - the rest of the tour being cancelled...
> anybody knows if this is true or what?
>
> ketil svendsen,
> norway


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 15 20:45:30 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:45:30 -0600
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <memo.20001211083618.1015J@slitchfield.ukonline.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.194530.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Steve Litchfield wrote:

I'm lagging behind in threads here, but better late than never:

:Subject: HW: finest moments
:
:Here's a small survey I've wanted to do for a while.

surveys!

:What's your single finest memory of recorded Hawkwind (live or studio)? It
:can be a phrase, a passage or even an entire song or album. i.e. what bit
:of recording encapsulates everything you like about the band most? And
:why?

Shade Gate.  such a beautiful little instrumental piece.  I could almost
see the gate to a chaos realm in front of me in my mind.....adventure and
dread simultaneously.

Tides.
melancholy-sitting-in-the-sun-letting-the-afternoon-drift-by-while-the-tides-lap
song.

hurry on sundown.  just 'cause it always puts a grin on my face and
makes me feel better.

arrival in utopia

green finned demon
mirror of illusion
fall of earth city
motherless children (blues!)

In general, I'm not a huge lyrics/voice fan, but hawkwind has never
bothered me...(but I'm a huge sf fan, so I quite get into the lyrics.)

Live concerts -- catching hawkwind for the first time at the ambler
cabaret in philly (a tiny little venue).

catching them live at the cubby bear on the strange daze 97? tour.

meeting the assorter boc'lers at brixton. getting a chance to talk to
kris.

grooving to the music at brixton.

electric tepee, which was so different when I heard it, and now I love
it.

church of hawkwind, which I once hated....which I now love.

Arin
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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec 15 20:49:13 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:49:13 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.014913.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
> It's a MiniKorg 700.

It certainly is. I have one of these old wonderful machines. Whilst it may
not be the last word in versatility, it is the only synth I've heard that
takes the top of your head off in the higher registers. Check out Spiral
Galaxy for more sonic mayhem from the MiniGorg....

The actual one HW used came up for sale in our local FreeAds a few years
back - sold for ?70.00.  Wish I'd got there first.

Captain Bl at ck.


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Fri Dec 15 20:55:59 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:55:59 -0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.015559.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sidetracking slightly,

But whatever happened to the wonderful Mr.Francis ..surname forgotten.. who
played guitar with them in the 70's?

Captain Bl at ck.


----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: the Enid


> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:52:20 +0100, Sebastian Welton <sebastian at WELTON.DE>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I remember seeing them some years ago at the Marquee (another farewell
> >concert, 2 nights entitled In The Region Of Summer Stars) which was
> >memorable for the fact that for an encore some little punk oadie played
> >the drums while they did an excellent version of Anarchy In The UK.
>
> Are you sure it wasn't Pretty Vacant? That was a regular encore, usually
> sung by drummer Chris North (which would explain the roadie filling in).
> Another frequent encore was a raucous version of Wild Thing, with Godfrey
> camping it up outrageously and proving that he did possess a sense of
> humour. If this subversive wit (and shredding guitar) had surfaced more
> frequently they would have been a better band.
>
>
> >Stand website shows that they are quite, er, pompous though, although I
> >never knew that Robert Godfrey had anything to do with Barclay James
> >Harvest.
>
> Gawd yeah, he's spent much of his adult life trying to sue them over
> royalties. As I understand it the case was eventually resolved in his
> favour but he didn't get any dosh because of some legal technicality.
>
> >--- From The Stand Website ---
> >Godfrey and Stewart find themselves working with a wide range of
> >artists, from Terry Hall and Katrina and the Waves, to New Model Army,
> >Christian Death and Conflict. Their reputation and influence has
> >permeated some unexpected areas of modern music. Conflict say on the
> >sleeve notes of their album The Final Conflict: "We would like to pay
> >tribute to The Enid for the inspiration of their life and work."
>
> Their connection with Conflict was one of the more improbable
associations,
> although a smattering of hardcore punks would often show up at Enid gigs
> and seemed to greatly enjoy the fey neo-classicism on offer. Anarcho-punks
> Crass (closely linked to Conflict) also lived on a farm and tried to
> maintain a completely autonomous existence, so there was a parallel with
> the Enid there, making the connection a litle less mind-boggling perhaps.
> I'm pretty sure RJG would not have been sympathetic to their politics
> though- I once saw him engaged in an animated discussion in the Marquee
> bar, exclaiming "you can't have a society of anarchists!"
>
> Nick


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 15 20:57:36 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:57:36 -0600
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.195736.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria gig?

If you are, and want to hang out/do things (how's that for specifics ;-) )
let me know.

I don't have a particular agenda this trip (save for the astoria concert,
of course, whatever party thing follows it, and a matinee of the hobbit)
and would love company.

Arin
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From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Fri Dec 15 23:06:37 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:37 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.230637.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

   If you can afford to pay $13,000 or more check this out. It uses a
Laser(s)
to play vinyl. Wonder how long before this technology trickles down.

http://www.elpj.com


Jerry


From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Dec 15 23:48:38 2000
From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:48:38 -0500
Subject: HW: Hawkdiscs For Sale/Trade
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.2000.234838.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey Now!

Got some extra Hawkdiscs for sale or trade.

Priority is to trade.

Send me a note off list if interested.

Peace,

D-Rider
(Darrin)

The Text Of Festival - Thunderbolt CDTB 068
Anthology Vol II - Samurai SAMR(CD) 039
DOREMI FASOL LATIDO - One Way Records CDLL 57475
Levitation - Griffin GCD-230-2
Hawklords Live - Griffin GN-03921-2
Chronicle Of The Black Sword - Griffin GCDHA 0142-2
Live Chronicles - Griffin GCDHA-0136-2
Palace Springs - Roadracer Records RRD 9303
Electric Tepee - Griffin GN 0931-2
Quark, Strangeness and Charm (remix Cd single)
       - Emergency broadcast System EBCD110
Future Reconstructions Ritual of the Solstice
       - Emergency Broadcast System EBSSCD 117

Alan Davey - Captured Rotation
           - Emergency Broadcast System EBSSCD 122
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From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec 16 04:56:35 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:56:35 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5@starfield>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.095635.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
<starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
>> It's a MiniKorg 700.
>
>It certainly is. I have one of these old wonderful machines.

They don't make them like that anymore - I've had a 700S for over 18
years now, had no problems with it at all, despite having spilled
several pints over it (It did make some very interesting noises when
that happened)

> Whilst it may
>not be the last word in versatility, it is the only synth I've heard that
>takes the top of your head off in the higher registers. Check out Spiral
>Galaxy for more sonic mayhem from the MiniGorg....

Playing one of those beasties through an echo chamber into headphones
does strange things to your head.

>The actual one HW used came up for sale in our local FreeAds a few years
>back - sold for ?70.00.  Wish I'd got there first.

Me too - that's a very good price, at least for the buyer. That synth
always was underrated.

--
David Blair


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Sat Dec 16 05:45:18 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:45:18 -0500
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.054518.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Radio Never Say Die, they have the full album on Real Audio.
http://www.rnsd.com
chris
"Ted Jackson jr." wrote:

> On 14 Dec 00, at 15:31, Paul Mather wrote:
>
> > NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra, _The Lost Trident Sessions_
>
> Paul, what's the verdict on this one?  I've been meaning to get it.
> Way back when, I wore out vinyl copies of Inner Mounting Flame
> and Birds of Fire.  Got to see the band at an outdoor gig with--get
> this--Ravi Shankar opening...
>
> theo


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sat Dec 16 06:20:36 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:20:36 -0000
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.112036.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

How long are you over for - when do you arrive/leave?

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:57 AM
Subject: HW: london


> Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria gig?
>
> If you are, and want to hang out/do things (how's that for specifics ;-) )
> let me know.
>
> I don't have a particular agenda this trip (save for the astoria concert,
> of course, whatever party thing follows it, and a matinee of the hobbit)
> and would love company.
>
> Arin
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> Web Systems Administrator
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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sat Dec 16 06:25:17 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:25:17 +0000
Subject: OFF: the Enid
In-Reply-To: <005301c06703$566b2880$0c1028d5@starfield>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.112517.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <005301c06703$566b2880$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
<starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>Sidetracking slightly,
>
>But whatever happened to the wonderful Mr.Francis ..surname forgotten.. who
>played guitar with them in the 70's?

That would be Francis Lickerish, who left in about 1980. All Enid music
that was any good was produced while he was in the band. Have no idea
what he's doing now, or even if he still makes music. Last I heard (about 12
years ago mind you) he was living in some remote part of Ireland. He did
return to guest with the band at their Dominion Theatre "farewell" gigs (see
earlier in thread) in '88 or whenever it was.

--
Nick Medford


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Sat Dec 16 07:46:05 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:46:05 -0500
Subject: HW: london
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10012151946170.11681-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>;
 from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Fri, Dec 15,
 2000 at 07:57:36PM -0600
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.074605.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 07:57:36PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria gig?

Sure!  I'm there from the Dec.27 - Jan.3, which means I'm also
looking for a New Years Eve party, if anyone knows of one...

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sat Dec 16 07:53:38 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:53:38 -0000
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.125338.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Watch this space...

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: HW: london


> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 07:57:36PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> > Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria
gig?
>
> Sure!  I'm there from the Dec.27 - Jan.3, which means I'm also
> looking for a New Years Eve party, if anyone knows of one...
>
> --
>
> |  | /\
> |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> |  |  /
> Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> fired for relying on Microsoft.
>         - Chris Garrigues


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Sat Dec 16 10:54:10 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:54:10 -0600
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.095410.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Likewise...I'm arriving the morning of the show and will be departing on the
3rd.
Gotta be some festivities somewhere around London worth checking out for New
Years' Eve.  Someone once mentioned that the Camden area is a pretty cool
area to check out as far as pubs go...




Kevin Perry wrote:

> Watch this space...
>
> ---
> Kevin Perry
> Sonic Energy Authority
> http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
>
> "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> duties."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: london
>
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 07:57:36PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> > > Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria
> gig?
> >
> > Sure!  I'm there from the Dec.27 - Jan.3, which means I'm also
> > looking for a New Years Eve party, if anyone knows of one...
> >
> > --
> >
> > |  | /\
> > |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> > |  |  /
> > Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> > fired for relying on Microsoft.
> >         - Chris Garrigues


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sat Dec 16 11:17:16 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:17:16 -0000
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.161716.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Camden's very good for live music too.

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Clark <tclark at PETRONET.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: HW: london


> Likewise...I'm arriving the morning of the show and will be departing on
the
> 3rd.
> Gotta be some festivities somewhere around London worth checking out for
New
> Years' Eve.  Someone once mentioned that the Camden area is a pretty cool
> area to check out as far as pubs go...
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Perry wrote:
>
> > Watch this space...
> >
> > ---
> > Kevin Perry
> > Sonic Energy Authority
> > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
> >
> > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> > duties."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: HW: london
> >
> > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 07:57:36PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> > > > Is anyone else doing the touristy thing in london around the astoria
> > gig?
> > >
> > > Sure!  I'm there from the Dec.27 - Jan.3, which means I'm also
> > > looking for a New Years Eve party, if anyone knows of one...
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > |  | /\
> > > |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
> > > |  |  /
> > > Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
> > > fired for relying on Microsoft.
> > >         - Chris Garrigues


From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM  Sat Dec 16 13:10:38 2000
From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:10:38 -0800
Subject: Bryan Young, this is earth calling...
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.101038.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey Bryan, if you're out there, please drop me a line.
I need your mailing address (again)!

All others - sorry for the intrusion!

MWood

------------------------------------------------------------
--== Sent via Deja.com ==--
http://www.deja.com/


From novadrive at HOME.COM  Sat Dec 16 16:02:08 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:02:08 -0700
Subject: HW: Stonehenge candle
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.140208.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yes, it's cheesy; yes, it's a joke.  But it's so cool I had to order one:
http://spinaltapdirect.com/product_information.asp?PRODUCT=ADSTCASH

Kevin Sommers


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec 16 18:02:04 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:02:04 -0000
Subject: HW: Spirit/Damnation?
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.230204.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
This is going to be a really pointless question, which I don't envisage anyone having the definitive answer to, but ......

You know the sirens and explosions "between" Spirit and Damnation on Quark?
Well, from the very first time I heard it over 20 years ago, I've always assumed that it is actually the start of Damnation as opposed to the end of Spirit.
Numerous compilations have tagged it onto the end of Spirit, which I've always assumed is a fair mistake.
However, for some reason I dug out Repeat Performance vinyl yesterday (the Charisma compilation from about 1980), and was surprised that they had done the same.
Now I'm starting to think that if the original label has it as being the end of Spirit just 3 years after its original release, then maybe I've been the one getting it wrong all along.
The sirens seem more in keeping with Damnation, but I think there is also Morse code included which kinda swings it for Spirit.
Maybe it was purposely done to link the two songs with a bit from each, but I just find it curious that more often than not it is tagged onto Spirit than Damnation.
Just out of curiousity really (as I say, totally pointless), but, which song do folks think it is part of, and why?
Jez     
 
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From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Sat Dec 16 18:28:17 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:28:17 -0000
Subject: HW  :  me  needs a Hawkwind fix
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.232817.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Mike,
Please e-mail me outside of list.
Can't actually find your e-mail address amongst all this.
I say be able to help you out with a couple of these.
Cheers,
Jez
 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Blackman 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:39 AM
  Subject: HW : me needs a Hawkwind fix


      Hi Hawk friends

  Want to get my hands on the following CD's If at all possible

  The Chronocle Of The Black Sword

  Live Chronicles (original release - GCDHA-0136-2)

  The Hawklords

  Hawklords Live

  Warrior On The Edge Of Time

  Quark Strangeness & Charm

  Thank you for your Interest :)

  Mb

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From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sat Dec 16 18:44:35 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:44:35 -0000
Subject: HW: Spirit/Damnation?
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.234435.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

One would imagine, listening to it again, that it was done as a convenient bridge between the two tracks, rather than belonging to one or the other. That way the whole of side 1 runs as one continuous piece. It was probably down to the cutting engineer who actually put the original break after the sirens at the start of the guitar riff of Damnation Alley. 

Incidently, the morse code in Spirit sends the repeated message 'SOS'.

And talking of engineers, does anyone else find that everything cut by Malcolm 'Porky' Peckham sounds OTT?  Even with a top flight pick-up cartridge, some of those Flicknife grooves are virtually untrackable without distortion.

Captain Bl at ck.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J D 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 11:02 PM
  Subject: HW: Spirit/Damnation?


  Hi,
  This is going to be a really pointless question, which I don't envisage anyone having the definitive answer to, but ......

  You know the sirens and explosions "between" Spirit and Damnation on Quark?
  Well, from the very first time I heard it over 20 years ago, I've always assumed that it is actually the start of Damnation as opposed to the end of Spirit.
  Numerous compilations have tagged it onto the end of Spirit, which I've always assumed is a fair mistake.
  However, for some reason I dug out Repeat Performance vinyl yesterday (the Charisma compilation from about 1980), and was surprised that they had done the same.
  Now I'm starting to think that if the original label has it as being the end of Spirit just 3 years after its original release, then maybe I've been the one getting it wrong all along.
  The sirens seem more in keeping with Damnation, but I think there is also Morse code included which kinda swings it for Spirit.
  Maybe it was purposely done to link the two songs with a bit from each, but I just find it curious that more often than not it is tagged onto Spirit than Damnation.
  Just out of curiousity really (as I say, totally pointless), but, which song do folks think it is part of, and why?
  Jez     
   
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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sat Dec 16 21:17:26 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:17:26 -0600
Subject: HW: london
In-Reply-To: <005101c06752$6baf3e80$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.2000.201726.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Kevin Perry wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW: london
:
:How long are you over for - when do you arrive/leave?
:

I get in 12/27 and I leave 1/1.  Save me from boredom, please!

Arin
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------------------------------------------------------------------
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From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 17 06:54:45 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:54:45 -0000
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.115445.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'm off with parents until evening of 29th/morning of 29th, but around after
then - there should be a few of us having an in-house NY party that I'm sure
you could crash...

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: HW: london


> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Kevin Perry wrote:
>
> :Subject: Re: HW: london
> :
> :How long are you over for - when do you arrive/leave?
> :
>
> I get in 12/27 and I leave 1/1.  Save me from boredom, please!
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------


From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 17 08:12:14 2000
From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:12:14 -0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.131214.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Looking at the the tracklist for SpaceBrock (which actually matches the
tracks on the disc!) the opener 'Life Form' is listed as being from the film
'Any Given Sunday'.  Wasn't that a film about American Football?  Was the
song actually used?  And how about 'Some People Never Die' being from the
film 'Assassination'?  Wasn't that just the Weird Tapes title for this
track?
Any ideas?

Nick


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 08:23:54 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:23:54 +0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
In-Reply-To: <003701c0682a$fafd6700$1844a8c2@xpnwjjkf>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.132354.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <003701c0682a$fafd6700$1844a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee
<nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET> writes
>Looking at the the tracklist for SpaceBrock (which actually matches the
>tracks on the disc!) the opener 'Life Form' is listed as being from the film
>'Any Given Sunday'.  Wasn't that a film about American Football?  Was the
>song actually used?  And how about 'Some People Never Die' being from the
>film 'Assassination'?  Wasn't that just the Weird Tapes title for this
>track?
>Any ideas?
>
>Nick

Can't answer these questions, but have some of my own: What is the deal
with this album? Is it a Brock solo, a Hawkwind album or what? And on
reading the above- does it contain more of the dreaded "remakes" of old
tracks?
--
Nick Medford


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Sun Dec 17 08:40:12 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:40:12 +0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
In-Reply-To: <022501c066f3$60238300$eb97bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.134012.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 23.03 +0000 15.12.2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>So, maybe to start another subject, what would Hawkwind fans like to see in
>2001 that could top what's happened this year.

I'd like to see Dave Brock turn up his amplifier :)

And, if possible, start rocking out again like he was in the early
90s (not to mention the early 70s :)

>Personally, I'd love to see a
>collective of studio bound musicians doing an album of old material - sounds
>a retro step possibly, but with all this reunion thing and the increasingly
>less likely possibility of the Reuinon live album coming out in its
>entirety, that would be the full stop to the whole thing - oh and a tour
>that comes to Scotland please.

How about a collective of musicians doing an album of _new_ material.
I mean, let's face it, what are the chances of them recording a
version of "Born to Go" that's better on _SR_? I mean, I'd be
impressed, but I'm not holding my breath waiting.

But when the _try_, and when the have the right people, that
mysterious entity known as Hawkwind _can_ turn out new music that's
as good as anything they've done. I'd rather hear new songs that
looked to the sound of the past (or, alternatively, the sound of the
_present_ "stoner" rock scene) than the sound of the present (which
can be dodgy) looking to old songs.

Even if he falls over now and then, Lemmy still proves that you can
make music when your 50 that is just as good and uncompromising in
its principles as the music you made when you were 20. Motorhead does
not need to record a studio album of songs the first made 25 years
ago because, well, the new songs are really good. Hawkwind should be
able to manage that much. They have, after all, a much larger pool of
potential collaborators to choose from ;)

Cheers,
Carl

ObCD: Five Fifteen, _Psychedelic Singalongs for Stadiums_.

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 08:44:44 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:44:44 +0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
In-Reply-To: <Xkqa3DAq5LP6Ew5i@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.134444.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <Xkqa3DAq5LP6Ew5i at hermit0.demon.co.uk>, Nick Medford
<nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
>In message <003701c0682a$fafd6700$1844a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee
><nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET> writes
>>Looking at the the tracklist for SpaceBrock (which actually matches the
>>tracks on the disc!) the opener 'Life Form' is listed as being from the film
>>'Any Given Sunday'.  Wasn't that a film about American Football?  Was the
>>song actually used?

It's not listed on the soundtrack CD, or on www.imdb.com

>  And how about 'Some People Never Die' being from the
>>film 'Assassination'?  Wasn't that just the Weird Tapes title for this
>>track?

Yes

>>Any ideas?

Nope, but it does remind me of Levitation - on the LP '5th second of
forever' is listed as being 'from the film'. What film?

>>Nick
>
>Can't answer these questions, but have some of my own: What is the deal
>with this album? Is it a Brock solo, a Hawkwind album or what? And on
>reading the above- does it contain more of the dreaded "remakes" of old
>tracks?

Some of the remakes are worth it - I thought the Electric Tepee version
of Mirror of Illusion was better than the original - what's worse is
when they just change the name of a track so it looks like something you
haven't got yet. I've lost count of the times I've seen that. I had a
look on the Voiceprint website, it says the Weird tapes have been
reissued on CD with bonus tracks. The only differences I can see are
that yet again some of the tracks have had a name change.

--
David Blair


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 17 08:53:34 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:53:34 -0000
Subject: OT: ROCK LONDON radio station
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.135334.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

One of my tracks (Tatiana Freeway) got selected for
http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/27/rock_london.html and when I went to
have a look at the page, I found an LLG track alongside it - how to make
someone's Sunday :-)

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."


From novadrive at HOME.COM  Sun Dec 17 09:10:00 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:10:00 -0700
Subject: SpaceBrock question
In-Reply-To: <003701c0682a$fafd6700$1844a8c2@xpnwjjkf>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.071000.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I watched the movie "Any Given Sunday" for the purpose of finding Dave's
song...Since I hadn't heard the CD yet, I didn't know exactly what to listen
for.  I heard a few pieces which could have been Dave, but nothing which
sounded like a remake of that PXR5 track.  The credits did contain the song
(listing it as by Hawkwind) though.

Kevin Sommers

-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
Behalf Of Nick Lee
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 6:12 AM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question


Looking at the the tracklist for SpaceBrock (which actually matches the
tracks on the disc!) the opener 'Life Form' is listed as being from the film
'Any Given Sunday'.  Wasn't that a film about American Football?  Was the
song actually used?  And how about 'Some People Never Die' being from the
film 'Assassination'?  Wasn't that just the Weird Tapes title for this
track?
Any ideas?

Nick


From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 11:19:41 2000
From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:19:41 -0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.161941.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Nope, but it does remind me of Levitation - on the LP '5th second of
> forever' is listed as being 'from the film'. What film?

If I remember correctly, It was a joke at the time BUT it was actually used
in a film about bikers a while later so it was strangely true in the end.
Can`t remember where I read all that, Possibly Hawkfan?

Si


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 12:54:08 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:54:08 -0000
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.175408.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:47 PM
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff

This is the reply I got from choice hotels this morning
(based around me making an inquiry for a random number of nights,
since I had no idea when I was emailing.)
How does this sound?
I think this hotel has a description at:

http://www.choicehotels.com/ires/en-US/html/HotelInfo?sid=5ARO.2iB9B
ZniH.1&hotel=GB614&sname=London&sstate=EN&scountry=GB&sunits=M&sradi
us=40.22&slat=51.511826&slon=-0.126928&schain=A&exp=

(sorry for the really long URL.)
Arin
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Phil Taylor <PTaylor at ChoiceHotelsEurope.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:36:29 -0000
Subject: Availability Request
To: "'akomins at pobox.com'" <akomins at pobox.com>

Dear Ms Komins

I have today been passed your request for accommodation in Central
London
and please accept my thanks for the interest you have expressed in
Choice
Hotels.
I am pleased to offer you availability for the Quality Hotel
Westminster,
arriving 28th December 2000 for 03 nights, 25 rooms for 35 guests.
For this I can offer a rate per room per night including VAT of
?35.00, all
meals being charged for as taken.
Ms Komins, I have provisionally reserved the rooms for you until the
20th
December 2000 and look forward to hearing from you again soon.

With kind regards

Phil Taylor
Travel Trade Sales Manager
==================================================
I've just called up the web page which was UNBELIEVABLY SLOW.
However after an hour of dithering around the hotel is the
"Quality Hotel Eccleston, Westminster, London "    82-83 Eccleston
Square, London, SW1V  1PS.   Tel: 0207 834 8042   Fax 0207 630 8942
email admin at gb614.u-net.com

Situated near to Victoria station it's reasonably central and has
plenty of amenities including banquet/meeting rooms.   I've just
phoned to enquire about prices and can confirm that there is a
special promotional deal in the period including 29th including
continental breakfast for a double room.     This is an excellent
price!!     Single rooms might be more expensive (the usual rate for
a single room there is ?85) but if that is going to be the case then
I guess anyone wanting a single just books a double room       All
rooms (except for some of the singles are en-suite).     I'm going
to phone back on Monday and re-check the details but if they really
are true then I think I'm going confirm my booking here asap.

The only other suggestion I could offer was the City Hotel, 12
Osborn Street, London E1 Tel: 020 7247 3313 and I think you need to
book through an Agency www.hotels-london.co.uk to get the cheaper
rates which are ?75 for a single and ?87 for a double/twin (and a
weekend would be even cheaper).   Executive triple and quad rooms
are also available (I think Executive means they have proper beds
(not bunk beds) and all amenities) for ?105 and ?118 and there are
conference facilities available.     Web page and pictures at
http://www.hotels-london.co.uk/corporate/city/index.html

However on balance the Quality Hotel that Arin found sounds the best
suggestion and I think we should all go for it!     Opinions?
Votes?   Simples?    Contact Arin?

jill


From SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET  Sun Dec 17 13:02:47 2000
From: SLOTERDIJK at WEBTV.NET (SLOTERDIJK)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:02:47 -0500
Subject: Space Is My Place
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.130247.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

http://community.webtv.net/SLOTERDIJK/SLOTERDIJKControl

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From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Sun Dec 17 13:18:44 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:18:44 +0100
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c06852$767722a0$551a883e@jds>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.191844.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>However on balance the Quality Hotel that Arin found sounds the best
>suggestion and I think we should all go for it!     Opinions?
>Votes?   Simples?    Contact Arin?

<AOL>
ME TOO!
</AOL> SCNR

Arin wrote in her original message that the reservation is for 3 nights.
Will there be any problems (higher price etc.) for people staying only 2
nights (28/29 & 29/30)?

(c)IAO
                                 D+R
np: Magma, "K?hntark?sz"
--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"

                                         Hassan I Sabbah
www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sun Dec 17 14:10:31 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:10:31 -0000
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.191031.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Or Even 1 night?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Regenbrecht" <denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: HW: rooms and stuff


Hi,

>However on balance the Quality Hotel that Arin found sounds the best
>suggestion and I think we should all go for it!     Opinions?
>Votes?   Simples?    Contact Arin?

<AOL>
ME TOO!
</AOL> SCNR

Arin wrote in her original message that the reservation is for 3 nights.
Will there be any problems (higher price etc.) for people staying only 2
nights (28/29 & 29/30)?

(c)IAO
                                 D+R
np: Magma, "K?hntark?sz"
--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"

                                         Hassan I Sabbah
www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 14:58:02 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:02 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.195802.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Arin

Your hotel discovery seems an excellent choice.    Should we book
through you or should each person get in direct touch with the hotel
individually?     It looks as if requirements for length of stay
will be variable (I only need 2 nights).

thanks for locating this!
cheers
jill


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec 17 15:08:05 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:08:05 -0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.200805.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Re SpaceBrock,

I am fortunate enough to have heard a preview of this album. Yes, its a Dave
Brock solo, though Richard does contribute some drums.

And yes, there are one or two tracks that have been heard before, but a lot
of the album will be new to you.  It's very trippy, and a good progression
from Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams.

Very nice booklet too, with some previously unseen early HW photos in
colour.

Captain Bl at ck.


----- Original Message -----
From: Tigger <Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: HW: SpaceBrock question


> In article <Xkqa3DAq5LP6Ew5i at hermit0.demon.co.uk>, Nick Medford
> <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK> writes
> >In message <003701c0682a$fafd6700$1844a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee
> ><nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> >>Looking at the the tracklist for SpaceBrock (which actually matches the
> >>tracks on the disc!) the opener 'Life Form' is listed as being from the
film
> >>'Any Given Sunday'.  Wasn't that a film about American Football?  Was
the
> >>song actually used?
>
> It's not listed on the soundtrack CD, or on www.imdb.com
>
> >  And how about 'Some People Never Die' being from the
> >>film 'Assassination'?  Wasn't that just the Weird Tapes title for this
> >>track?
>
> Yes
>
> >>Any ideas?
>
> Nope, but it does remind me of Levitation - on the LP '5th second of
> forever' is listed as being 'from the film'. What film?
>
> >>Nick
> >
> >Can't answer these questions, but have some of my own: What is the deal
> >with this album? Is it a Brock solo, a Hawkwind album or what? And on
> >reading the above- does it contain more of the dreaded "remakes" of old
> >tracks?
>
> Some of the remakes are worth it - I thought the Electric Tepee version
> of Mirror of Illusion was better than the original - what's worse is
> when they just change the name of a track so it looks like something you
> haven't got yet. I've lost count of the times I've seen that. I had a
> look on the Voiceprint website, it says the Weird tapes have been
> reissued on CD with bonus tracks. The only differences I can see are
> that yet again some of the tracks have had a name change.
>
> --
> David Blair


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Dec 17 15:12:14 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:12:14 -0600
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
In-Reply-To: <002901c06863$aaf4e100$4418883e@jds>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.141214.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Jill Strobridge wrote:

:Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
:
:Hi Arin
:
:Your hotel discovery seems an excellent choice.    Should we book
:through you or should each person get in direct touch with the hotel
:individually?     It looks as if requirements for length of stay
:will be variable (I only need 2 nights).
:
:thanks for locating this!

Jill (..and others)

What days does everyone need space for? and what do we need by way of
meeting space?

As for who reserves, I think that the qualityhotels guy reserved
'em in my name, so if I can get everyone's itineraries, along
with what meeting space we need, and single or double
rooms (ASAP), then I can email the guy with our requirements.

In the end, I'm everyone may have to call the hotel
as well, but I can find out.

So ... itineraries, please?  (Kris and Dave....when does the band
need rooms for?)

Arin
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University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 15:17:28 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:28 -0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.201728.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

->
>Nope, but it does remind me of Levitation - on the LP '5th second of
>forever' is listed as being 'from the film'. What film?
>
>>>Nick


There is no film. I asked Brian Tawn about this a few years back - it's just
a "daft title".

Dave


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 15:43:14 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:43:14 -0000
Subject: HW: London hotel booking
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.204314.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at midway.uchicago.edu>
To: Jill Strobridge <jill at theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk>
Cc: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hawkwind London rooms


> Jill (..and others)
>
> What days does everyone need space for?

2 nights - 29th and 30th December for me.
A reduced rate single room (or double room for myself) for
preference  - I'd rather not share unless absolutely necessary!

> and what do we need by way of
> meeting space?

I think Kris or Dave will have to confirm this.    One room for a
party on 29th Dec?

thanks!
jill

> As for who reserves, I think that the qualityhotels guy reserved
> 'em in my name, so if I can get everyone's itineraries, along
> with what meeting space we need, and single or double
> rooms (ASAP), then I can email the guy with our requirements.
>
> In the end, I'm everyone may have to call the hotel
> as well, but I can find out.
>
> So ... itineraries, please?  (Kris and Dave....when does the band
> need rooms for?)
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins        akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Sun Dec 17 15:51:06 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:51:06 -0000
Subject: ...er  Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.205106.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Does anybody know of a good source of Floyd rare recordings?

I ask on behalf of a friend, of course. Ahem!

Captain Bl at ck.
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From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sun Dec 17 15:50:48 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:50:48 -0500
Subject: OFF: Korai Orom News
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.155048.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Courtesy of Raymond Ricker, posted on rmp...

"I'm awaiting the 97 release from Cuneiform - they have all 3 in stock. Their
web site is www.korai.hu and they have both an English and Magyar section.
In addition, they have 2 new releases slated for this month: Korai 2000 (new
material) and Korai 93-96 (unreleased material). The "Korai 2000" will also
feature some enhanced video clips of the band. For those unfamiliar with
their sound - imagine the Ozrics with an enhanced percussion section and a
little Bulgarian & Hungarian folk music thrown in to boot - I cannot highly
recommend this band enough."

Grakkl (FAA)

ObCD: Korai 2000 (*Has* to be.)  :)


From flossbac at NLCI.COM  Sun Dec 17 16:04:00 2000
From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:04:00 -0500
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.160400.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> I'd like to see Dave Brock turn up his amplifier :)
>
> And, if possible, start rocking out again like he was in the early
> 90s (not to mention the early 70s :)

I could agree with that...  Dave's guitar has too often been buried in the
mix in recent years.


> >Personally, I'd love to see a
> >collective of studio bound musicians doing an album of old material -
sounds
> >a retro step possibly, but with all this reunion thing and the
increasingly
> >less likely possibility of the Reuinon live album coming out in its
> >entirety, that would be the full stop to the whole thing - oh and a tour
> >that comes to Scotland please.

Nah, I can't agree at all... I prefer that Hawkwind not become some
backwards-yearning band forever rehashing their past.  I think NEW Hawkwind
material has always been the strength of the band.  Hawkwind still continue
to write really great new stuff all the time which I think is just as good
as the early stuff.  I think any movement toward a "greatest hits" mentality
would be a move in the wrong direction!  This is a hip, current band that is
strongest at reconstituting itself and pulling out new sounds and new songs
all the time!

John Majka
flossbac at nlci.com


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Sun Dec 17 16:18:19 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:18:19 +1300
Subject: Korai Orom News
In-Reply-To: <200012172059.PAA04275@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.101819.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Korai 2000 (new material) and Korai 93-96 (unreleased material).

'93 - '96 is already available at Cranium Music www.cranium.co.nz  or
www.cranium-music.com Comes in digipak format and is the bands very first
release that originally only came out on cassette. Also includes 3 tracks
recorded live on Hungarian radio and one unreleased track from 1996.

Richard
Cranium Music


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sun Dec 17 16:18:56 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:18:56 -0000
Subject: HW: London hotel booking
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.211856.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Thanks for all the hard work Arin

1 Night for me - the 29th

Reduced Rate Single (or double if necessary)

Rich Warren


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Strobridge" <jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: HW: London hotel booking


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arin Komins <akomins at midway.uchicago.edu>
> To: Jill Strobridge <jill at theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk>
> Cc: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Hawkwind London rooms
>
>
> > Jill (..and others)
> >
> > What days does everyone need space for?
>
> 2 nights - 29th and 30th December for me.
> A reduced rate single room (or double room for myself) for
> preference  - I'd rather not share unless absolutely necessary!
>
> > and what do we need by way of
> > meeting space?
>
> I think Kris or Dave will have to confirm this.    One room for a
> party on 29th Dec?
>
> thanks!
> jill
>
> > As for who reserves, I think that the qualityhotels guy reserved
> > 'em in my name, so if I can get everyone's itineraries, along
> > with what meeting space we need, and single or double
> > rooms (ASAP), then I can email the guy with our requirements.
> >
> > In the end, I'm everyone may have to call the hotel
> > as well, but I can find out.
> >
> > So ... itineraries, please?  (Kris and Dave....when does the band
> > need rooms for?)
> >
> > Arin
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Arin Komins        akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> > Web Systems Administrator
> > University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087
> > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 16:50:07 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:50:07 +0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
In-Reply-To: <001101c06865$11b2f3e0$831428d5@starfield>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.215007.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <001101c06865$11b2f3e0$831428d5 at starfield>, starfield
<starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>Re SpaceBrock,
>
>I am fortunate enough to have heard a preview of this album. Yes, its a Dave
>Brock solo, though Richard does contribute some drums.

Thought so, it's just (from looking at the pic of the cover in the CD-services
catalogue) it has the word Hawkwind emblazoned across the cover. So it's
HW in name but DB in practice, yes?

>
>And yes, there are one or two tracks that have been heard before, but a lot
>of the album will be new to you.  It's very trippy, and a good progression
>from Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams.
>
>Very nice booklet too, with some previously unseen early HW photos in
>colour.

OK. I plan to pick up a copy at the Astoria.

--
Nick Medford


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Sun Dec 17 16:59:47 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:59:47 -0500
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.165947.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nick writes...

>>Re SpaceBrock,
>>
>>I am fortunate enough to have heard a preview of this album. Yes, its a Dave
>>Brock solo, though Richard does contribute some drums.
>
>Thought so, it's just (from looking at the pic of the cover in the CD-services
>catalogue) it has the word Hawkwind emblazoned across the cover. So it's
>HW in name but DB in practice, yes?

"Church of Hawkwind" was (nearly) the same, no?

What's on the "Family Tree" thing?  I either missed that or it hasn't yet
been discussed.

Grakkl (FAA)


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec 17 17:07:43 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:07:43 +0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
In-Reply-To: <a05010401b662701aaf88@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.220743.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <a05010401b662701aaf88@[10.0.0.5]>, Carl Edlund Anderson
<carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM> writes
>
>How about a collective of musicians doing an album of _new_ material.

Agree 100%. In fact I'd be horrified if they did an album of remakes, unless
it was so gobsmackingly brilliant that one just couldn't argue. Which is
unlikely when the original material is so strong.

I think one of the worst things they've ever done was the 1982 remake of
Silver Machine. I agree that some of the more recent revamps have been
worthwhile- Mask Of The Morning for example- but what we want is strong
NEW material. This is certainly not beyond the band-  I think their best
90s output transcends most of their 80s work- and they have the knack of
pulling great albums out of the bag just when you think they might be
drying up. The fact that they are apparently on better terms with some ex-
members should be used (if at all) to help create new work, not trade on
past glories. There are any number of bands who flog their old classics to
death while failing to produce any worthwhile new material: Hawkwind
have never allowed this to happen, there've been times when it's looked
imminent, but they've always come up with something fresh, and long may
that continue.

In any event, if you want to hear reworkings of old material, there are any
number of live albums full of that kind of thing.  A studio album of this
kind would be superfluous, no?
--
Nick Medford


From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Sun Dec 17 17:36:03 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:36:03 +0100
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10012171407100.7923-100000@harper.uchicago.e du>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.233603.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

thanx Arin for organizing this whole hotel-business!

>What days does everyone need space for? and what do we need by way of
>meeting space?

2 nights for me - 28/29 and 29/30.
I'll take one double room for my sister and me.

(c)IAO

                         D+R
--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"

                                         Hassan I Sabbah
www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 17 17:33:28 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:33:28 -0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.223328.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

must admit  - I agree totally!!!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Edlund Anderson" <carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Crohinga Well
> How about a collective of musicians doing an album of _new_ material.
> I mean, let's face it, what are the chances of them recording a
> version of "Born to Go" that's better on _SR_? I mean, I'd be
> impressed, but I'm not holding my breath waiting.
>
> But when the _try_, and when the have the right people, that
> mysterious entity known as Hawkwind _can_ turn out new music that's
> as good as anything they've done. I'd rather hear new songs that
> looked to the sound of the past (or, alternatively, the sound of the
> _present_ "stoner" rock scene) than the sound of the present (which
> can be dodgy) looking to old songs.
>
> Even if he falls over now and then, Lemmy still proves that you can
> make music when your 50 that is just as good and uncompromising in
> its principles as the music you made when you were 20. Motorhead does
> not need to record a studio album of songs the first made 25 years
> ago because, well, the new songs are really good. Hawkwind should be
> able to manage that much. They have, after all, a much larger pool of
> potential collaborators to choose from ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Carl
>
> ObCD: Five Fifteen, _Psychedelic Singalongs for Stadiums_.
>
> --
> Carl Edlund Anderson
> mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 17 18:52:39 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:52:39 -0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.235239.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ooops - fallen into a black hole here, have I.
The relevance of this 'wanna see' was to end the whole Hawkestra thing with
a bang, on recorded medium that is. Obviously I'm with everyone lese on
wanting to see new stuff and this is a case of wishing you'd engaged brain
before opening mouth, in my case.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "flossbac" <flossbac at NLCI.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Crohinga Well


> > I'd like to see Dave Brock turn up his amplifier :)
> >
> > And, if possible, start rocking out again like he was in the early
> > 90s (not to mention the early 70s :)
>
> I could agree with that...  Dave's guitar has too often been buried in the
> mix in recent years.
>
>
> > >Personally, I'd love to see a
> > >collective of studio bound musicians doing an album of old material -
> sounds
> > >a retro step possibly, but with all this reunion thing and the
> increasingly
> > >less likely possibility of the Reuinon live album coming out in its
> > >entirety, that would be the full stop to the whole thing - oh and a
tour
> > >that comes to Scotland please.
>
> Nah, I can't agree at all... I prefer that Hawkwind not become some
> backwards-yearning band forever rehashing their past.  I think NEW
Hawkwind
> material has always been the strength of the band.  Hawkwind still
continue
> to write really great new stuff all the time which I think is just as good
> as the early stuff.  I think any movement toward a "greatest hits"
mentality
> would be a move in the wrong direction!  This is a hip, current band that
is
> strongest at reconstituting itself and pulling out new sounds and new
songs
> all the time!
>
> John Majka
> flossbac at nlci.com


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 17 18:56:49 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:56:49 -0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.2000.235649.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It's a quarter of a CD each (nearly) from Brock, Chadwick, Richards and
Tree, nearly all exclusive to the CD (two of Richards tracks are on the
excellent Paradogs album), a bit like the studio disc of Floyd's 'Ummagumma'
only with decent music on the Hawkwind one. Finsihing off is the weirdest
version of 'Motorway City' from the '79 line-up, again exclusively to this
CD. I must admit that I think as a CD of music it's absolutely superb (and
yes, I love the Chadwick track)
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: HW: SpaceBrock question


> Nick writes...
>
> >>Re SpaceBrock,
> >>
> >>I am fortunate enough to have heard a preview of this album. Yes, its a
Dave
> >>Brock solo, though Richard does contribute some drums.
> >
> >Thought so, it's just (from looking at the pic of the cover in the
CD-services
> >catalogue) it has the word Hawkwind emblazoned across the cover. So it's
> >HW in name but DB in practice, yes?
>
> "Church of Hawkwind" was (nearly) the same, no?
>
> What's on the "Family Tree" thing?  I either missed that or it hasn't yet
> been discussed.
>
> Grakkl (FAA)


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 17 19:02:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:02:10 -0000
Subject: ...er  Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.000210.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yes!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: starfield 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:51 PM
  Subject: ...er Pink Floyd


  Does anybody know of a good source of Floyd rare recordings?

  I ask on behalf of a friend, of course. Ahem!

  Captain Bl at ck.
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From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Sun Dec 17 19:55:24 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:55:24 +0000
Subject: HW: SpaceBrock question
In-Reply-To: <6szRlBAPUTP6Ewcf@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.005524.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Nick Medford wrote:

> In message <001101c06865$11b2f3e0$831428d5 at starfield>, starfield
> <starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
> >Re SpaceBrock,
> >
> >I am fortunate enough to have heard a preview of this album. Yes, its a Dave
> >Brock solo, though Richard does contribute some drums.
>
> Thought so, it's just (from looking at the pic of the cover in the CD-services
> catalogue) it has the word Hawkwind emblazoned across the cover. So it's
> HW in name but DB in practice, yes?

        Is it over-simplistic to say, it's got Hawkwind on the
cover? Wouldn't be the first HW album that is actually DB solo, and it's
been difficult to say who else is in the band bar Dave for much of the
last two years. I'm counting it as a new HW album. What this means for me
is that I'll make more of an effort to get it than I have Dave's solo
stuff, which is down on the when-I-have-surplus-money list.

> OK. I plan to pick up a copy at the Astoria.

        Mustn't... Can afford to go but not to buy _anything_... Yours,

Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Sun Dec 17 21:47:42 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:17:42 +1030
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.131742.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Nah, I can't agree at all... I prefer that Hawkwind not become some
> backwards-yearning band forever rehashing their past.  I think NEW
Hawkwind
> material has always been the strength of the band.  Hawkwind still
continue
> to write really great new stuff all the time which I think is just as good
> as the early stuff.  I think any movement toward a "greatest hits"
mentality
> would be a move in the wrong direction!  This is a hip, current band that
is
> strongest at reconstituting itself and pulling out new sounds and new
songs
> all the time!

Yes indeedy!!!!

Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: flossbac <flossbac at NLCI.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: OFF: Crohinga Well


> > I'd like to see Dave Brock turn up his amplifier :)
> >
> > And, if possible, start rocking out again like he was in the early
> > 90s (not to mention the early 70s :)
>
> I could agree with that...  Dave's guitar has too often been buried in the
> mix in recent years.
>
>
> > >Personally, I'd love to see a
> > >collective of studio bound musicians doing an album of old material -
> sounds
> > >a retro step possibly, but with all this reunion thing and the
> increasingly
> > >less likely possibility of the Reuinon live album coming out in its
> > >entirety, that would be the full stop to the whole thing - oh and a
tour
> > >that comes to Scotland please.
>
> Nah, I can't agree at all... I prefer that Hawkwind not become some
> backwards-yearning band forever rehashing their past.  I think NEW
Hawkwind
> material has always been the strength of the band.  Hawkwind still
continue
> to write really great new stuff all the time which I think is just as good
> as the early stuff.  I think any movement toward a "greatest hits"
mentality
> would be a move in the wrong direction!  This is a hip, current band that
is
> strongest at reconstituting itself and pulling out new sounds and new
songs
> all the time!
>
> John Majka
> flossbac at nlci.com


From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Mon Dec 18 05:48:00 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:48:00 +0000
Subject: HW: London hotel booking
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.104800.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Also thanks for all the hard work Arin

 1 Night for us (double room) - the 29th


Julie & Merrick French


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Mon Dec 18 07:27:17 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:27:17 -0000
Subject: OFF: Crass ( was:the Enid )
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.122717.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:47:49 -0500, Nick Medford
<nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
> wrote:
> >Their connection with Conflict was one of the more improbable
associations,
> >although a smattering of hardcore punks would often show up at Enid gigs
> >and seemed to greatly enjoy the fey neo-classicism on offer.
Anarcho-punks
> >Crass (closely linked to Conflict) also lived on a farm and tried to
> >maintain a completely autonomous existence, so there was a parallel with
> >the Enid there, making the connection a litle less mind-boggling perhaps.
>
> And I believe that Hawkwind could be connected to Crass via their former
> manager, whose recent one-hit-wonder cash cow from a couple years back was
> a Crass spinoff?  Or am I full of it?

Re my earlier post about Crass and the Stratford Mercenaries...

Saw Ed from the Mercenaries over the weekend, and apparently Steve Ignorant
has left.

Ah well...  Should keep up really...

:-(

Cheers,

Rich.


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From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Mon Dec 18 08:37:35 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:37:35 +0000
Subject: OFF: Crohinga Well
In-Reply-To: <LsrdlHAvkTP6Ewa$@hermit0.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.133735.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>I think one of the worst things they've ever done was the 1982 remake of
>Silver Machine.

That was, indeed, crap. There've been some other remakes on which one
had to wonder, "Why?".

>I agree that some of the more recent revamps have been
>worthwhile- Mask Of The Morning for example

I don't understand why Dave didn't just write some new lyrics for
that and call it a wholly new song. It was _great_. One of the
highlights of the last decade of Hawkwind.

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec 18 09:09:52 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:09:52 GMT
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:12:14 -0600
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.140952.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin Komins writes:

<itinaries?)

I'll be there for just the night of the 29th. I'll take a single or
share.

I'd say we just need a room to party in after the gig etc. The hotel
will need to be told that'd be a late night, but they'd prolly expect
that around xmas anyway. Obviously we can fetch our own beer etc if
needed.

Seems to me that the best way to confirm all this is for the band to
book their places at the selected hotel, and then we'll all do the same
either jointly or corporately.

FoFP


From slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 18 11:21:00 2000
From: slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK (Steve Litchfield)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:21:00 +0000
Subject: HW: Motorway
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.162100.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>>>excellent Paradogs album), a bit like the studio disc of Floyd's
'Ummagumma'
only with decent music on the Hawkwind one. Finsihing off is the weirdest
version of 'Motorway City' from the '79 line-up, again exclusively to this
CD. I must admit that I think as a CD of music it's absolutely superb (and

Interesting. What's 'wierd' about it? Is it the really rocked up
studio version with Simon on drums?

Steve Litchfield
http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind


From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Mon Dec 18 12:27:20 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:27:20 -0000
Subject: HW: rooms
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.172720.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just for info.   This was the original list.   Is everyone listed
here still interested?
jill
===================================
From: Eric Siegerman <erics at TELEPRES.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Party and hotel thing

Latest counts for hotel rooms:
       --------- Rooms ------
                Will
People  Single  Share   Double  Name
2                       1       Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
2                       1       merrick and Julie french
1               y       0.5     Mike Holmes
1               y       0.5     Arin Komins
1       1                       Rich Warren
1       1       n               Eric Siegerman
1               y       0.5     Mark Licht
1               y       0.5     Robert Jacobs
1       1                       Michael Blackman
2                       1       Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
10      10                      Hawkwind
        1       n               Jill Strobridge
                y       0.5     Andreas Stuewe
                y       0.5     Bernhard Pospiech
        1                       Richard Cutting
---------------------------------------------------------------
23      15              6       Totals

ie. 21 rooms.  ("0.5 of a double" is my way of tallying people
who are willing to share a room but not a bed :-)



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From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Mon Dec 18 12:35:51 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:35:51 GMT
Subject: HW: rooms
In-Reply-To: Jill Strobridge's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:27:20 -0000
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.173551.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Jill Strobridge writes:

> Just for info.   This was the original list.   Is everyone listed
> here still interested?

I am.

FoFP


From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET  Mon Dec 18 12:36:11 2000
From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:36:11 -0000
Subject: HW:Fw: Christmas Eve - Acoustic Gig - The Greyhound Hendon
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.173611.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>From Marion Lloyd-Langton:


Date: 18 December 2000 17:02
Subject: Christmas Eve - Acoustic Gig - The Greyhound Hendon


Just to let you know apart from the Hawkwind Xmas Show at Astoria 0n 29th
December - Huw is playing an acoustic concert Christmas Eve:

The Greyhound Inn
Greyhound Hill
Church Road
Hendon
NW4

Most people will have families to content with but in case you are at a
loose end.

Regards,

Marion

I guess this impies that Huw is guesting at the Astoria?

Nick


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon Dec 18 13:42:26 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:42:26 -0600
Subject: HW: rooms etc.
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.124226.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folks,

Given the varied requirements that we'll be needing from what
I originally (foolishly, heh) gave them, I sent this
along to my contact.

Once I have word back (soon, hopefully), we can make final
arrangements for hotel space.


Latest counts for hotel rooms:
(The list that Eric S. came up with modified for space and dates)

       --------- Rooms ------
People  Single  ws      double  Dates   Name
2                       1       28-29   Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
2                       1       29      merrick and Julie french
1               y       0.5     29      Mike Holmes
1               y       0.5     27-1    Arin Komins
1       1                       29      Rich Warren
1       1       n               27-3    Eric Siegerman
1               y       0.5     28-30   Mark Licht
1               y       0.5     ?       Robert Jacobs
1       1                       ?       Michael Blackman
2                       1       29      Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
10                      10      ?       Hawkwind
1       1       n               29-30   Jill Strobridge
1               y       0.5     ?       Andreas Stuewe
1               y       0.5     ?       Bernhard Pospiech
1                               ?       Richard Cutting
---------------------------------------------------------------

Could folks please confirm your dates, and if you still need
hotel space?

(If anyone else needs hotel space, please pipe up now ;-) )

Thanks!

Arin
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Arin Komins <akomins at midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Availability Request
To: Phil Taylor <PTaylor at ChoiceHotelsEurope.com>
Reply-To: akomins at pobox.com

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Phil Taylor wrote:

:Subject: Availability Request
:
:Dear Ms Komins
:
:I have today been passed your request for accommodation in Central London
:and please accept my thanks for the interest you have expressed in Choice
:Hotels.
:
:I am pleased to offer you availability for the Quality Hotel Westminster,
:arriving 28th December 2000 for 03 nights, 25 rooms for 35 guests.
:
:For this I can offer a rate per room per night including VAT of ?35.00, all
:meals being charged for as taken.
:
:Ms Komins, I have provisionally reserved the rooms for you until the 20th
:December 2000 and look forward to hearing from you again soon.
:

Phil,

I've been speaking with the others, and it seems that some wish to only
stay part of the time, and others want to extend.  I'm also still waiting
to hear back from the band as to their accomodation requirements as well.

Is the rate that you quoted me valid for shorter/longer stays as well?
Shall I have individuals contact the hotel directly, or should
I gather the names and itineraries and provide them to you?

We may also wish to reserve a meeting room space.  What would be the
charge on that, and are there any available on 12/29 and/or 12/30?

Thanks,

Arin
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon Dec 18 14:01:58 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:01:58 -0000
Subject: HW: Motorway
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.190158.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Don't know about that - just sounds way more languid to me than the others
I've heard.
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Litchfield" <slitchfield at UKONLINE.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: HW: Motorway


> >>>excellent Paradogs album), a bit like the studio disc of Floyd's
> 'Ummagumma'
> only with decent music on the Hawkwind one. Finsihing off is the weirdest
> version of 'Motorway City' from the '79 line-up, again exclusively to this
> CD. I must admit that I think as a CD of music it's absolutely superb (and
>
> Interesting. What's 'wierd' about it? Is it the really rocked up
> studio version with Simon on drums?
>
> Steve Litchfield
> http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/hawkwind


From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE  Mon Dec 18 13:59:05 2000
From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:59:05 +0100
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.195905.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> So ... itineraries, please?  (Kris and Dave....when does the band
> need rooms for?)
>
> Arin

Bernhard P. and me need a double room for one night only (the 29th of course).

Thanks for your efforts,
Andreas


From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Mon Dec 18 15:19:46 2000
From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:19:46 -0000
Subject: HW: The 29th Travel by train
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.201946.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On the radio tonight was a report that many long distance trains are getting
fully booked for the Xmas period. Due to the current train problems, there
are going to be less trains than normal. So it might be advisable for any
one traveling down by train to book your train ticket now to avoid problems.

By the way, anybody know what time the gig is supposed to finish?

SI


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Mon Dec 18 15:47:51 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:47:51 -0000
Subject: HW: The 29th Travel by train
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.204751.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

10:30 I think.

Heh I got the last cheap ticket 3 weeks ago ;-)

Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Si Halley" <sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: HW: The 29th Travel by train


> On the radio tonight was a report that many long distance trains are
getting
> fully booked for the Xmas period. Due to the current train problems, there
> are going to be less trains than normal. So it might be advisable for any
> one traveling down by train to book your train ticket now to avoid
problems.
>
> By the way, anybody know what time the gig is supposed to finish?
>
> SI
>


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Mon Dec 18 15:53:43 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:53:43 -0000
Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.205343.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You do know that tickets from the Astoria say doors open 3pm?  I thought
that was for passport holders only...only I can see a lot of people turning
up at 3 and getting pissed off because they aren't allowed in!

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Mon Dec 18 16:15:07 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:15:07 -0000
Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.211507.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Most of the advertising says its 4PM for normals, 3PM for Passport Holders.

Looks like I might ending up being normal, as my passport probably hasn't
made it with the dodgy postal service :-(

Afterall today is last day of passport processing..boohoo.

Rich W


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Perry" <kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info


> You do know that tickets from the Astoria say doors open 3pm?  I thought
> that was for passport holders only...only I can see a lot of people
turning
> up at 3 and getting pissed off because they aren't allowed in!
>
> ---
> Kevin Perry
> Sonic Energy Authority
> http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
>
> "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> duties."
>


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Mon Dec 18 15:24:33 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:24:33 -0800
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.122433.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:37 -0500, Jerry Guizar <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM> wrote:
>   If you can afford to pay $13,000 or more check this out. It uses a
>Laser(s)
>to play vinyl. Wonder how long before this technology trickles down.

I wouldn't hold your breath, since this technology is 20 years old already.
 These things were being made in the early 80s, but (obviously) were
quickly superseded by the CD.

>http://www.elpj.com

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Mon Dec 18 16:51:07 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:51:07 -0800
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.135107.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:56:35 +0000, Tigger <Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK>
wrote:
>In article <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
><starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>>> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
>>> It's a MiniKorg 700.
>>
>>It certainly is. I have one of these old wonderful machines.
>
>They don't make them like that anymore - I've had a 700S for over 18
>years now, had no problems with it at all, despite having spilled
>several pints over it (It did make some very interesting noises when
>that happened)

There's a nice page on those ooooold Korgs at:
http://www.viklund.com/oldkorg/index.html

(although some of the links appear to be messed up)

        -Doug (who actually prefers the slightly later MS-series Korgs)
         ceres at sirius.com


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Mon Dec 18 17:19:39 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:19:39 -0500
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c06852$767722a0$551a883e@jds>; from
 jill@THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK on Sun, Dec 17,
 2000 at 05:54:08PM -0000
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.171939.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Provisionally, 7 nights: Dec.27/28 thru Jan.2/3 inclusive.  Those
are the nights I'll be in England.  But if they're going to
charge me ?85 for some of the time, I'll stay elsewhere those
nights (except the 29th of course!)

I just phoned to ask them, but the evening-shift guy at the front
desk can't help me.  Unless someone else happens to know the
details, I'll call in the morning to talk to the Reservations
Manager.

The reservations guy wrote:
> [...] I can offer a rate per room per night including VAT of
> ?35.00, all meals being charged for as taken.

Hmmm.  Could someone who speaks British English please parse that
last bit for me?  To this Canadian, it could be interpreted as,
"you have to pay for meals when you eat them; we won't add them
to your room's bill".  But it could also mean, "we'll charge you
for all meals, whether you eat here or not".  (?35 seems too good
to be true, so of course I'm looking for reasons why it is...)
Or it could simply mean "breakfasts not included".

"Two [well, many, really] nations divided by a common language"
indeed!

On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 05:54:08PM -0000, Jill Strobridge wrote:
> I've just called up the web page which was UNBELIEVABLY SLOW.

You must have just been unlucky; it's fine now.

> I've just
> phoned to enquire about prices and can confirm that there is a
> special promotional deal in the period including 29th including
> continental breakfast for a double room.     This is an excellent
> price!!

You didn't mention what the promotional deal is.  Is that the ?35
group rate he offered Arin?

> However on balance the Quality Hotel that Arin found sounds the best
> suggestion and I think we should all go for it!     Opinions?
> Votes?   Simples?    Contact Arin?

Sounds good to me (especially if my doubts prove to be
unfounded).

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Mon Dec 18 17:28:00 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:28:00 -0500
Subject: HW: rooms etc.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10012181151300.8830-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>;
 from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Mon, Dec 18,
 2000 at 12:42:26PM -0600
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.172800.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Oops.  I'd meant to post an update.

Filip Vanhuyse also posted to the list a while ago, saying he
wanted in -- a single room.  But I guess you (or they, directly)
need dates from him in any case.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 12:42:26PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Given the varied requirements that we'll be needing from what
> I originally (foolishly, heh) gave them, I sent this
> along to my contact.
>
> Once I have word back (soon, hopefully), we can make final
> arrangements for hotel space.
>
>
> Latest counts for hotel rooms:
> (The list that Eric S. came up with modified for space and dates)
>
>        --------- Rooms ------
> People  Single  ws      double  Dates   Name
> 2                       1       28-29   Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
> 2                       1       29      merrick and Julie french
> 1               y       0.5     29      Mike Holmes
> 1               y       0.5     27-1    Arin Komins
> 1       1                       29      Rich Warren
> 1       1       n               27-3    Eric Siegerman
> 1               y       0.5     28-30   Mark Licht
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Robert Jacobs
> 1       1                       ?       Michael Blackman
> 2                       1       29      Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> 10                      10      ?       Hawkwind
> 1       1       n               29-30   Jill Strobridge
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Andreas Stuewe
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Bernhard Pospiech
> 1                               ?       Richard Cutting
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Could folks please confirm your dates, and if you still need
> hotel space?
>
> (If anyone else needs hotel space, please pipe up now ;-) )
>
> Thanks!
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Arin Komins <akomins at midway.uchicago.edu>
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:51:14 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Re: Availability Request
> To: Phil Taylor <PTaylor at ChoiceHotelsEurope.com>
> Reply-To: akomins at pobox.com
>
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Phil Taylor wrote:
>
> :Subject: Availability Request
> :
> :Dear Ms Komins
> :
> :I have today been passed your request for accommodation in Central London
> :and please accept my thanks for the interest you have expressed in Choice
> :Hotels.
> :
> :I am pleased to offer you availability for the Quality Hotel Westminster,
> :arriving 28th December 2000 for 03 nights, 25 rooms for 35 guests.
> :
> :For this I can offer a rate per room per night including VAT of ?35.00, all
> :meals being charged for as taken.
> :
> :Ms Komins, I have provisionally reserved the rooms for you until the 20th
> :December 2000 and look forward to hearing from you again soon.
> :
>
> Phil,
>
> I've been speaking with the others, and it seems that some wish to only
> stay part of the time, and others want to extend.  I'm also still waiting
> to hear back from the band as to their accomodation requirements as well.
>
> Is the rate that you quoted me valid for shorter/longer stays as well?
> Shall I have individuals contact the hotel directly, or should
> I gather the names and itineraries and provide them to you?
>
> We may also wish to reserve a meeting room space.  What would be the
> charge on that, and are there any available on 12/29 and/or 12/30?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Dec 18 18:44:49 2000
From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:44:49 -0800
Subject: HW: The 29th Travel by train
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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Mon Dec 18 19:51:34 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:51:34 +0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001218135107.009ee8c0@pop.sirius.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.005134.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>In article <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
><starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>>>> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
>>>> It's a MiniKorg 700.
>>>
>>>It certainly is. I have one of these old wonderful machines.
>>
>>They don't make them like that anymore - I've had a 700S for over 18
>>years now, had no problems with it at all, despite having spilled
>>several pints over it (It did make some very interesting noises when
>>that happened)
>

So is this machine responsible for the brain-frying high-pitched noises on
Robot as well? Or is that the sound of electric violin maltreatment? One of
my Finest Moments, either way.
--
Nick Medford


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Mon Dec 18 20:19:42 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:19:42 -0800
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.171942.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:51:34 +0000, Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
wrote:
>>In article <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
>><starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
>>>>> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
>>>>> It's a MiniKorg 700.
>
>So is this machine responsible for the brain-frying high-pitched noises on
>Robot as well? Or is that the sound of electric violin maltreatment?

The mid-section of "Robot" is definitely processed electric violin (listen
to the runs down the fingerboard - you won't get THAT sound with even the
best synth portamento).  Probably through (at least) a wah pedal.  One of
the fun things about listening to the different live versions (since
there's no studio version) of the song is to see how quickly Simon switches
from keyboards (verses/choruses) to violin (mid-section solo) and back to
keyboards ... he doesn't leave very much "dead air" in ANY version!

>One of my Finest Moments, either way.

Unquestionably!  Mine too!  (And one that will be explained by the man
himself, if he answers all the questions I posted in the upcoming
Cyberspace Interview.)

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From slindsey at IDIRECT.COM  Tue Dec 19 01:35:00 2000
From: slindsey at IDIRECT.COM (Stephen Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:35:00 -0800
Subject: HW: Ahem, no  really which pub are we meeting at ?
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.2000.223500.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well I asked htis before, but forgot the HW: filter, then it
got off onto some tangent about religion, go figure, only in this group...

So I know theres the hotel discussion going on (I'm lucky enough to have my
sister to stay with)  but........

What Pub Are We Meeting In
---------------------------

Come on - Mike I know you're up for a pint or so, for one.....

Now where are we going !! (And what 12 - 1 at the pub ? if we're getting in
at 3)

Feeling thirsty already.....
Steve Lindsey


From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM  Tue Dec 19 02:38:29 2000
From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:38:29 -0600
Subject: Star Nation Release - info from Jerry
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.013829.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here's the official word from Jerry Richards:

--- forwarded message begins ---

To order a copy of the all new,(all singing, all dancing,) Star
Nation CD contact us at:
Star Nation
P.O. Box 2979
Frome
Sommerset
BA11 4XZ
U.K.

CD's are:   ?14:99p +      50p P+P for U.K. orders
                                 + ?1:00p P+P for European orders
                                 + ?1:50p P+P for rest-of-the-world
Please make cheques/money orders payable to:
                            Star Nation
Send no cash but do make cheques out in pounds stirling.

Very best wishes and many thanks in advance

Jerry Richards

PP: Star Nation Chadwick/Richards 2000

The Earth Lab

--- end of forwarded message ---


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 19 06:15:56 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:15:56 -0000
Subject: Ahem, no  really which pub are we meeting at ?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIHKADKDIEHNECCKHEEJJCAAA.slindsey@idirect.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.111556.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The Angel in St Giles High Street, innit?

-- Andy

ObDVD: Myl?ne Farmer - Myl?nium Tour

www.andygilham.com


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 19 06:17:25 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:17:25 -0000
Subject: HW:  Ahem, no  really which pub are we meeting at ?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIHKADKDIEHNECCKHEEJJCAAA.slindsey@idirect.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.111725.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Oh bugger, Outlook stripped of the "HW:" bit as usual, so here we go again:

The Angel in St Giles High Street, innit?

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 07:20:44 2000
From: m.french at DCS.SHEF.AC.UK (Merrick Martin French)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:20:44 +0000
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.122044.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hello peeps,

its bite the bullet time as I am off from thursday and it being the joys of the
festive season and the joys of working for an academic institute everything is
switched off until the 2nd so I'm off-line.

So........ which hotel please because I want to book it a.s.a.p.

love, light and peace

Julie and Merrick


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Tue Dec 19 08:07:09 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:07:09 -0000
Subject: OFF: Vinyl
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.130709.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This is true.  Unfortunately the technology was flawed because the laser
tracked the whole groove - including all the crud at the bottom. A diamond
stylus actually only tracks the groove walls, being much larger than the
bottom of the pit, so is prone to less noise.  Maybe they've found a way to
do this with a laser now, though I have to say a good old fashioned
turntable with a good arm and cartridge still does the business, for me at
least.

Captain Bl at ck.


----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Pearson <ceres at SIRIUS.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Vinyl


> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:37 -0500, Jerry Guizar <jguizar at STNY.RR.COM>
wrote:
> >   If you can afford to pay $13,000 or more check this out. It uses a
> >Laser(s)
> >to play vinyl. Wonder how long before this technology trickles down.
>
> I wouldn't hold your breath, since this technology is 20 years old
already.
>  These things were being made in the early 80s, but (obviously) were
> quickly superseded by the CD.
>
> >http://www.elpj.com
>
>         -Doug
>          ceres at sirius.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Tue Dec 19 08:10:28 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:10:28 -0000
Subject: HW: finest moments
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.131028.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

No, unless I'm mistaken that was actually a violin, through an effects unit.
It has a different timbre to it and more expression; difficult to do on a
Korg 700 as it has no pitch bend controls.

Captain Bl at ck.


----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: HW: finest moments


> >In article <000b01c06702$6509a3e0$0c1028d5 at starfield>, starfield
> ><starfield at SUPANET.COM> writes
> >>>> Always puzzles me that people think it's a violin ;)
> >>>> It's a MiniKorg 700.
> >>>
> >>>It certainly is. I have one of these old wonderful machines.
> >>
> >>They don't make them like that anymore - I've had a 700S for over 18
> >>years now, had no problems with it at all, despite having spilled
> >>several pints over it (It did make some very interesting noises when
> >>that happened)
> >
>
> So is this machine responsible for the brain-frying high-pitched noises on
> Robot as well? Or is that the sound of electric violin maltreatment? One
of
> my Finest Moments, either way.
> --
> Nick Medford


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Tue Dec 19 08:12:19 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:12:19 -0000
Subject: ...er  Pink Floyd
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.131219.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Er, care to elborate Andy?

Captain Bl at ck
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ANDREW GARIBALDI 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:02 AM
  Subject: Re: ...er Pink Floyd


  Yes!!!
  Andy Garibaldi.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: starfield 
    To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
    Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:51 PM
    Subject: ...er Pink Floyd


    Does anybody know of a good source of Floyd rare recordings?

    I ask on behalf of a friend, of course. Ahem!

    Captain Bl at ck.
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 19 08:48:32 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:48:32 EST
Subject: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.084832.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

http://www.emode.com/emode/ultimate.jsp

...i was a 'secret agent'

"<>"


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 09:36:58 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:36:58 GMT
Subject: HW: rooms etc.
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:42:26 -0600
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.143658.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin Komins writes:

> Latest counts for hotel rooms:
> (The list that Eric S. came up with modified for space and dates)
>
>        --------- Rooms ------
> People  Single  ws      double  Dates   Name
> 2                       1       28-29   Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht
> 2                       1       29      merrick and Julie french
> 1               y       0.5     29      Mike Holmes
> 1               y       0.5     27-1    Arin Komins
> 1       1                       29      Rich Warren
> 1       1       n               27-3    Eric Siegerman
> 1               y       0.5     28-30   Mark Licht
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Robert Jacobs
> 1       1                       ?       Michael Blackman
> 2                       1       29      Dave Greenhalgh and Manami Nanri
> 10                      10      ?       Hawkwind
> 1       1       n               29-30   Jill Strobridge
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Andreas Stuewe
> 1               y       0.5     ?       Bernhard Pospiech
> 1                               ?       Richard Cutting
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Could folks please confirm your dates, and if you still need
> hotel space?

Confirmed.

Mike (FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 09:40:03 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:40:03 GMT
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:19:39 -0500
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.144003.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Eric Siegerman writes:
>
> I just phoned to ask them, but the evening-shift guy at the front
> desk can't help me.

Welcome to the UK.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 09:42:48 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:42:48 GMT
Subject: HW: Ahem, no  really which pub are we meeting at ?
In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:35:00 -0800
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.144248.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Stephen Lindsey writes:

> What Pub Are We Meeting In
> ---------------------------
>
> Come on - Mike I know you're up for a pint or so, for one.....

Well I'm not a drinking man, but I do remember there's a pub with real
ale across the road and down a little towards the theatres. It has a
nice upstairs room too. Can anyone remember what it's called?

Hopefully it also does food. It didn't do me much good to drink with no
food at Brixton...

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 09:46:02 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:46:02 GMT
Subject: Hawkwind London rooms
In-Reply-To: Merrick Martin French's message of Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:20:44 +0000
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.144602.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Merrick Martin French writes:

> its bite the bullet time as I am off from thursday and it being the
> joys of the festive season and the joys of working for an academic
> institute everything is switched off until the 2nd so I'm off-line.

Seconded. If Arin has that booking confirmed then what we need is the
band to agree and then just get 'em booked. I'll call with my credit
card to confirm payment for my room when requested to do so.

Let's get with the proggie dudes...

FoFP


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 19 10:17:06 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:17:06 -0600
Subject: HW: latest room stuff
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.091706.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK folks, see below.  shorter stays ok, longer stays possible, but
limited.  shouldn't be too much of a problem, I think, as
only 3 (Eric S., me, Robert Jacobs) of us are staying then.

For those folks that are staying on, is the 50 pound rate on new years
ok?  (It's still cheaper than what I had elsewhere, so I'm for it,
but if you want to revise dates, let me know.)

If we want it, meeting room space is available at the hotel
for 100 pounds, ie. only feasible if everyone chips in for part of
it.

That's for space only, I believe.  We'd still have to provide
all of our own refreshments.....

Kris contacted me last night for the band's rooms, so I think
that we are mostly ready to go.

Arin
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Phil Taylor <PTaylor at ChoiceHotelsEurope.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:06:24 -0000
Subject: RE: Availability Request
To: "'akomins at pobox.com'" <akomins at pobox.com>

Dear Arin

Thank you for your latest e-mail.

The rates have been quoted on the basis of a group booking and reservations
will therefore need to come through me, once you have all the details of
dates, duration and rooms required.

I am pleased to offer the same rate for those guests that require shorter
stays and whilst we do currently have some availability (limited) for those
that wish to extend their stay to include New Years Eve there will be an
increased charge for the 31st December 2000, which will be ?50.00 per room
per night, room only.

I have also checked with the hotel regarding availability of a meeting room
for the 29th & 30th and have available the Surrey room.  This is chargeable
at a half day rate of ?100.00.

Arin, I hope this gives you all the information that you require, but do
please contact me again should you need any further help or information.  In
the meantime please accept my thanks once again for your interest in Choice
Hotels.

I look forward to hearing from you again.

Regards

Phil.









-----Original Message-----
From: Arin Komins [mailto:akomins at midway.uchicago.edu]
Sent: 18 December 2000 17:51
To: Phil Taylor
Subject: Re: Availability Request


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From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Tue Dec 19 10:35:19 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:35:19 -0000
Subject: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.153519.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hmm... Skydiver.

R.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DASLUD at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:48 PM
Subject: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"


> http://www.emode.com/emode/ultimate.jsp
>
> ...i was a 'secret agent'
>
> "<>"


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From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Tue Dec 19 09:10:13 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:13 +0100
Subject: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"
In-Reply-To: <6a.9a0fc29.2770c130@aol.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.151013.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> http://www.emode.com/emode/ultimate.jsp
>
> ...i was a 'secret agent'\

I am a skydiver (!?)

--BArt


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Tue Dec 19 11:38:22 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:38:22 GMT
Subject: HW: latest room stuff
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:17:06 -0600
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.163822.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin Komins writes:

> OK folks, see below.  shorter stays ok, longer stays possible, but
> limited.  shouldn't be too much of a problem, I think, as
> only 3 (Eric S., me, Robert Jacobs) of us are staying then.
>
> For those folks that are staying on, is the 50 pound rate on new years
> ok?  (It's still cheaper than what I had elsewhere, so I'm for it,
> but if you want to revise dates, let me know.)
>
> If we want it, meeting room space is available at the hotel
> for 100 pounds, ie. only feasible if everyone chips in for part of
> it.

I'm in. Be warned to bring your own booze in case the hotel won't supply
outside of licensing hours.

> Kris contacted me last night for the band's rooms, so I think
> that we are mostly ready to go.

Great. Let's Rock'n'Roll.

Let us have the number once rooms are confirmed so that we can phone in
credit card numbers for payment. Or if there are other arrangements let
us know.

Mike (FoFP)


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 19 14:25:38 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:25:38 -0000
Subject: Star Nation Release - info from Jerry
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.192538.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

and just in case some of you are wondering, our 105 copies arrive tomorrow
(Wednesday). Moira is going to make as valiant an effort as possible to get
them out of the doors by tomorrow evening (assuming Richard is right and
they do turn up) so anyone with it on order from CD Services, your order is
secure, OK. There may be an overlap of 4 or 5 UK people but they will be
notified immediately if we find that is the case.
Finally, if anyone wants the reissued expanded remastered copy of Five
Fifteen's '6 Dimensions Of the electric camembert' CD album with 'Silver
Machine' on it and now boasting an exclusive live track featuring Nik
Turner, it's in stock now, as are our last two pre-Xmas copies of the
'Chronicle' DVD on NTSC format for all our American readers.No sign of Simon
House album on CD and vinyl but should be any day. After that it's the live
Dark Sun Hawkwind covers CD, then rolling down to the two Alan Davey albums
and who knows after that (well, I know something but I can't say yet).
By the way, on the posters for the concert, the Nik Turner band is now 'The
Hawkwind 1970 Isle Of Wight Reunion Band' - wonder how much longer that one
can get. Only Nik..............
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Young" <blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: Star Nation Release - info from Jerry


> Here's the official word from Jerry Richards:
>
> --- forwarded message begins ---
>
> To order a copy of the all new,(all singing, all dancing,) Star
> Nation CD contact us at:
> Star Nation
> P.O. Box 2979
> Frome
> Sommerset
> BA11 4XZ
> U.K.
>
> CD's are:   ?14:99p +      50p P+P for U.K. orders
>                                  + ?1:00p P+P for European orders
>                                  + ?1:50p P+P for rest-of-the-world
> Please make cheques/money orders payable to:
>                             Star Nation
> Send no cash but do make cheques out in pounds stirling.
>
> Very best wishes and many thanks in advance
>
> Jerry Richards
>
> PP: Star Nation Chadwick/Richards 2000
>
> The Earth Lab
>
> --- end of forwarded message ---


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue Dec 19 14:37:20 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:37:20 -0000
Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.193720.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

even tho' I'm not going to be there I had heard that provided you had
applied for your passport they would have a list of names of such people on
the door providing they received your passport application, so maybe you'll
be in luck.....
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Warren" <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 29th Ticket info


> Most of the advertising says its 4PM for normals, 3PM for Passport
Holders.
>
> Looks like I might ending up being normal, as my passport probably hasn't
> made it with the dodgy postal service :-(
>
> Afterall today is last day of passport processing..boohoo.
>
> Rich W
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Perry" <kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
>
>
> > You do know that tickets from the Astoria say doors open 3pm?  I thought
> > that was for passport holders only...only I can see a lot of people
> turning
> > up at 3 and getting pissed off because they aren't allowed in!
> >
> > ---
> > Kevin Perry
> > Sonic Energy Authority
> > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
> >
> > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> > duties."
> >


From carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 19 15:45:47 2000
From: carlaz at NTLWORLD.COM (Carl Edlund Anderson)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:45:47 +0000
Subject: Star Nation Release - info from Jerry
In-Reply-To: <008a01c069f3$a910e500$560abc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.204547.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 19.25 +0000 19.12.2000, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>Finally, if anyone wants the reissued expanded remastered copy of Five
>Fifteen's '6 Dimensions Of the electric camembert' CD album with 'Silver
>Machine' on it and now boasting an exclusive live track featuring Nik
>Turner, it's in stock now

Ah, and I'll be emailing about _that_ after payday as well :)

>After that it's the live
>Dark Sun Hawkwind covers CD

And _that_ once, it's in :)

Cheers,
Carl

--
Carl Edlund Anderson
mailto:carlaz at ntlworld.com


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Tue Dec 19 16:06:13 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:06:13 -0000
Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.210613.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello Rich,

When did you apply for your passport?  I checked with 'Immigration' and we
have no record of it.

Capain Bl at ck


----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Warren <rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: HW: 29th Ticket info


> Most of the advertising says its 4PM for normals, 3PM for Passport
Holders.
>
> Looks like I might ending up being normal, as my passport probably hasn't
> made it with the dodgy postal service :-(
>
> Afterall today is last day of passport processing..boohoo.
>
> Rich W
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Perry" <kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:53 PM
> Subject: HW: 29th Ticket info
>
>
> > You do know that tickets from the Astoria say doors open 3pm?  I thought
> > that was for passport holders only...only I can see a lot of people
> turning
> > up at 3 and getting pissed off because they aren't allowed in!
> >
> > ---
> > Kevin Perry
> > Sonic Energy Authority
> > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
> >
> > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> > duties."
> >


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Tue Dec 19 16:19:10 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:19:10 -0500
Subject: HW: rooms and stuff
In-Reply-To: <200012191440.OAA18330@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from
 fofp@HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 02:40:03PM +0000
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.161910.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 02:40:03PM +0000, M Holmes wrote:
> Eric Siegerman writes:
> >
> > I just phoned to ask them, but the evening-shift guy at the front
> > desk can't help me.
>
> Welcome to the UK.
>

Not for another week (grin)

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Tue Dec 19 16:26:44 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:26:44 -0500
Subject: HW: latest room stuff
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10012190909380.11950-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>;
 from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Tue, Dec 19,
 2000 at 09:17:06AM -0600
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.162644.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:17:06AM -0600, Arin Komins wrote:
> OK folks, see below.  shorter stays ok, longer stays possible, but
> limited.  shouldn't be too much of a problem, I think, as
> only 3 (Eric S., me, Robert Jacobs) of us are staying then.
>
> For those folks that are staying on, is the 50 pound rate on new years
> ok?  (It's still cheaper than what I had elsewhere, so I'm for it,
> but if you want to revise dates, let me know.)

Bueno!  This is fine with me too, so the dates I gave you before
are still valid: Dec. 27/28 thru Jan 2/3.  (I was just afraid of
getting socked with the retail 85-pound rate for 3 or 4 nights of
the 7).

--

|  | /\
|-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics at telepres.com
|  |  /
Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft -- but they could get
fired for relying on Microsoft.
        - Chris Garrigues


From swann at CUGC.ORG  Tue Dec 19 16:49:46 2000
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:49:46 -0500
Subject: OFF: Re: OT: Rush
In-Reply-To: <200012071439.JAA22544@syr.edu>; from Ted Jackson jr. on Thu,
 Dec 07, 2000 at 09:36:12AM -0400
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.164946.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 09:36:12AM -0400, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:
> Where've ya been?  Every time I make fun of Geddy, there's usually
> 10 or 20 responses defending Rush's instrumental virtuosity.  Nobody
> seems too interested in defending Geddy's voice, but it does
> happen...

Well, I'm certainly not going to defend Geddy's voice!  He stopped
using his lung-tearing shriek years ago, and I can hardly stand
to listen to him since...

No, I'm serious...  :-)

Steve


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 19 18:26:27 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:26:27 -0600
Subject: HW: yet even more room stuff
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.2000.172627.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I just sent off to Phil with the names, dates, and requirements of
everyone who has spoken up so far, including the band.

I still need dates from Michael Blackman, Filip Vanhuyse, and Richard
Cutting.

I've asked to arrange meeting room details when I get onsite on the 27th.
If we are looking for a place to party postgig postgigparty, then I figure
we'll be needing the room around midnight-4am or so?

For refreshments, if we do get the room, and I don't manage to figure out
a hotel bar setup (and if the hotel will let us do our own refreshments)
then I may need help doing all of that (since I'm carless, and clueless on
where to go to acquire stuff ;-) ).  Would anyone be able to kick in for
an assist?

Once I've heard back on actual booking details, like who everyone needs to
contact to give in credit card details, I'll let the list know.

(whew.)

Arin
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From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Tue Dec 19 20:36:08 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:36:08 -0000
Subject: HW: yet even more room stuff
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.013608.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin - you are a genius!

----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:26 PM
Subject: HW: yet even more room stuff


> I just sent off to Phil with the names, dates, and requirements of
> everyone who has spoken up so far, including the band.
> I still need dates from Michael Blackman, Filip Vanhuyse, and
Richard
> Cutting.
> I've asked to arrange meeting room details when I get onsite on
the 27th.
> If we are looking for a place to party postgig postgigparty, then
I figure
> we'll be needing the room around midnight-4am or so?

This seems about right.    On the assumption that the hotel has
conference facilities can we ask them to supply us with audio-visual
equipment - maybe a video player (and a CD player perhaps)  and a TV
screen?    Then if people could bring along some of their favourite
Hawkwind videos and a few CDs I reckon those of us who don't get a
invite to the private party at the club (and there may be a few of
us!) could pass the time quite happily after the Astoria gig.    And
if Hawkwind are staying at the same hotel I guess we could perhaps
have some visitors in the early hours!    As long as the hotel is
happy with the fact that there could be a fair amount of music and
general noise in the "after midnight" hours.

> For refreshments, if we do get the room, and I don't manage to
figure out
> a hotel bar setup (and if the hotel will let us do our own
refreshments)
> then I may need help doing all of that (since I'm carless, and
clueless on
> where to go to acquire stuff ;-) ).  Would anyone be able to kick
in for
> an assist?

Yes, gladly.      Only proviso being that I won't get into London
until around 5pm (flying in from Guernsey) on the 29th so I'll have
to arrange to meet up with you somewhere.

 > Once I've heard back on actual booking details, like who everyone
needs to
> contact to give in credit card details, I'll let the list know.

I'm leaving this present address on Friday 22nd but hopefully (if I
speak to my brother very nicely...) should have internet access over
Christmas.    If so I'll try to subscribe from his address (I assume
it's still <listserv at listserv.spc.edu>   SUBSCRIBE BOC-L     If not
someone please tell me!!) to pick up any info.

> (whew.)

Well done!  And thanks!
jill

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From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Wed Dec 20 06:27:03 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:27:03 +0100
Subject: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"
In-Reply-To: <200012201000.LAA18862@post.webmailer.de>
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.122703.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

-----Original Message-----

>Date:    Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:13 +0100
>From:    Bart Brugmans <bart at ENGAGE.NU>
>Subject: Re: OFF: just a holiday diversion: "ultimate personality test"

>> http://www.emode.com/emode/ultimate.jsp
>>
>> ...i was a 'secret agent'\

>I am a skydiver (!?)

>--BArt

And I'm a Rock Star (eh?)

Seb


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec 20 07:11:31 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:11:31 GMT
Subject: HW: yet even more room stuff
In-Reply-To: Arin Komins's message of Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:26:27 -0600
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.121131.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Arin Komins writes:

> I just sent off to Phil with the names, dates, and requirements of
> everyone who has spoken up so far, including the band.
>
> I still need dates from Michael Blackman, Filip Vanhuyse, and Richard
> Cutting.
>
> I've asked to arrange meeting room details when I get onsite on the 27th.
> If we are looking for a place to party postgig postgigparty, then I figure
> we'll be needing the room around midnight-4am or so?

Something like that. It'd also be good if the hotel could set up a VCR,
TV, amp and speakers so that we can bring videos and CD's. If the hotel
can't do that then maybe the band could bring something along?

> For refreshments, if we do get the room, and I don't manage to figure out
> a hotel bar setup (and if the hotel will let us do our own refreshments)
> then I may need help doing all of that (since I'm carless, and clueless on
> where to go to acquire stuff ;-) ).  Would anyone be able to kick in for
> an assist?

I was a barman in a previous life so I could pour beer. If the hotel
won't organise supplies though then we'd be best to simply bring our own
on an individual basis. Best bring some nibbles too.

> Once I've heard back on actual booking details, like who everyone needs to
> contact to give in credit card details, I'll let the list know.

Great, and thanks for doing this. Great work!

Mike


From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM  Wed Dec 20 09:16:08 2000
From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:16:08 -0600
Subject: HW:  Star Nation released
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.081608.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sorry to forward this to the list twice, but I forgot to use the HW
abbreviation last time, and it got filtered out so that I never saw it.

---- forwarded message from Jerry Richards ----

To order a copy of the all new,(all singing, all dancing,) Star
Nation CD contact us at:
Star Nation
P.O. Box 2979
Frome
Sommerset
BA11 4XZ
U.K.

CD's are:   ?14:99p +      50p P+P for U.K. orders
                                 + ?1:00p P+P for European orders
                                 + ?1:50p P+P for rest-of-the-world
Please make cheques/money orders payable to:
                            Star Nation
Send no cash but do make cheques out in pounds stirling.

Very best wishes and many thanks in advance

Jerry Richards

PP: Star Nation Chadwick/Richards 2000

The Earth Lab


---- end of message ----


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Wed Dec 20 10:16:22 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:16:22 GMT
Subject: which pub?
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.151622.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Have we got the name of the pub sorted yet?

FoFP


From christmu at EUNET.NO  Wed Dec 20 11:52:19 2000
From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu@eunet.no)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:52:19 +0100
Subject: OFF: Scenes of Black Sorcery
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.175219.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A new addition to my homepage can be found at:
http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp/tubrok.html.

Chr.
ObCD: Kingdom Come - Journey


From swann at CUGC.ORG  Wed Dec 20 12:39:20 2000
From: swann at CUGC.ORG (Stephen Swann)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:20 -0500
Subject: HW:Finest Moments
In-Reply-To: <33.dfc7015.276a9f36@aol.com>; from Al Ogilvy on Thu, Dec 14,
 2000 at 05:09:58PM -0500
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.123920.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 05:09:58PM -0500, Al Ogilvy wrote:
>
>   Incidently....does anyone else get that chills down your spine thing when
> they doA&B / Golden void ? that slide from one to the other always makes me
> feel like a cold breeze blowing on my neck. Always a magic moment wherever it
> appears

That transition is my favorite moment in all of recorded music, and I
get that same tingling sensation across my shoulders and down my
spine every time I hear it.

Steve


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Wed Dec 20 12:56:14 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:56:14 +0100
Subject: HW:Hawkfan 28
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.185614.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello all,

Just got in Hawkfan 28 from Brain Tawn with a stunning rapport from the Brixton gig by David Watson (who did the
"Born To Go" book a few years ago).
Actually 95% of the Hawkfan is the review of the Hawkestra !!
So,support Brain Tawn again and buy a copy.
We should all consider,Brain was THE info-source,before the internet.

His adress is still:
BRAIN TAWN
27 BURDETT ROAD
WISBECH
CAMBS.
PE13 2PR
ENGLAND

prices are:
UK:?1.50
Europe:?2.00
Overseas:?2.50

So don't tell me that's much.

Now,something else,what's the pub we'll meet the 29th?
For a change,I will be there early.

best wishes
filip hawknut

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From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Wed Dec 20 14:09:16 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:16 -0500
Subject: OFF: Asteroid #4 news (NY, Phila.)
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.140916.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Perhaps of some interest to someone...Grakkl (FAA)

Before everyone leaves for the holiday season, we'd like to let you know of
a couple live dates coming up within the next couple weeks...

December 30, 2000
Khyber Pass, 2nd and Chestnut, Philadelphia
w/The Perils of Pauline, Clock Strikes 13

January 11, 2001
Hard Rock Cafe, NYC
w/The Fletcher Pratt (Detroit)

The Asteroid no.4 has just finished mixing their new album, tentatively
titled "King Richard's Collectibles".  It will feature the 5 tracks from the
now rare out-of-print "Apple Street EP" plus 8 brand new tracks.  If all
follows schedule, the new record should be available at the end of January
or early February.

A new Asteroid no.4 website will also be available on the release date of
the new record, with a ton of photos and special multimedia bits...you can
bookmark the page http://www.asteroidno4.com...the is a current website at
our label's site, http://www.rainbowquartz.com

Thats it for now.


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Wed Dec 20 15:49:24 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:49:24 -0500
Subject: OFF: 10,000 Maniacs
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.154924.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Folks...

Well, I know you might think this is strange, based on the bulk of my
musical tastes (which I consistently force upon you poor people), but 10,000
Maniacs have (at times) been one of my favorites (at other times, been
rather pathetic). And founding member/guitarist Rob Buck died yesterday of
liver failure, which is a sad thing, since he was I believe the true reason
that they were appealing to me (and probably many others who never realized
it).  And if you had ever seen them in concert during the period(s) where
the show wasn't all about Natalie Merchant, you would have recognized that
Buck was a psychedelic rocker at heart, buried in a
liberal-propaganda-spouting-folk-pop-rock band.  I've been to enough 10KM
concerts (oh, about 13 or so, freebies the last couple of years) to see the
blank stares of people who can't fathom what the hell Buck's playing when
they pull out 1982-era tracks like 'My Mother the War' and 'Planned
Obsolescence' and he turns on a whole host of effects and lets it fly.  The
Spinal Tap-air force base scenario come to life.  The children cover their
ears and run.

Anyway, 10KM existed for about 18 or 19 years, although were only highly
visible for about 3 years (when they were at their worst...like that MTV
Unplugged show...what garbage), and began as a weird mixture of folk, punk,
reggae, calypso?, who knows what else...then morphed into a quirky folk-pop
outfit, went horrifically political, thankfully lost Natalie (whose
voice/singing style in the early days was something special IMHO) to a
miserable (though surprisingly popular) solo career, and then flattened out
into 'has been' territory.  The new albums (with Mary Ramsey) were rather
worthless (pleasant though empty), however their recent concerts (when Buck
was on-stage) were still full of 15-20 year old gems that Natalie had
obviously vetoed in her final years with the band.

Sorry for that bit of way-off-topic rhetoric...I just wanted to publicly
announce that we had lost one of 'our own', even though I don't think most
people would have ever thought so.

I hope the band decides to call it a day.  I doubt it though.

Grakkl (FAA)

ObCD: 10,000 Maniacs - Hope Chest
ObDrinkCoaster: 10,000 Maniacs - Blind Man's Zoo

P.S.  I like Talking Heads and the Police too (see recent Sting-HW thread),
and early 10,000 Maniacs were kinda similar, so it's not that weird!  Roxy
Music also.


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Wed Dec 20 16:38:04 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:38:04 -0000
Subject: HW: How many on "the list" ?
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.213804.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
Does anybody have any idea how many people subscribe to BOC-L?
Secondly, how many receive the HW: messages.
Just curious.
Jez
 
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From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE  Wed Dec 20 16:58:07 2000
From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:58:07 +0100
Subject: HW: How many on "the list" ?
In-Reply-To: <001701c06acd$5a222140$274b883e@jezd>
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.225807.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

>Does anybody have any idea how many people subscribe to BOC-L?

According to the LISTSERV.SPC.EDU-site there are currently 267 subscribers
to BOC-L.

(c)IAO

                         D+R

--
"Nothing is true - everything is permissible"
                                         Hassan I Sabbah

www.d-rider.de          denis at d-rider.de


From ceres at SIRIUS.COM  Wed Dec 20 17:33:03 2000
From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:33:03 -0800
Subject: BOC: How many on "the list" ?
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.143303.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:58:07 +0100, Denis Regenbrecht
<denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE> wrote:
>>Does anybody have any idea how many people subscribe to BOC-L?
>
>According to the LISTSERV.SPC.EDU-site there are currently 267 subscribers
>to BOC-L.

I meant to mention this a month or two ago when the subscriber count was at
262.

        -Doug
         ceres at sirius.com


From keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK  Wed Dec 20 21:03:41 2000
From: keithb at CINESITE.CO.UK (Keith Barton)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:03:41 +0000
Subject: HW: Merry Xmas
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.020341.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Right, I'm off for a couple of days, so.........

Merry Xmas to everyone on the list!

Have a good one,

Have a great New Year for all the folk who can't make it to the party.

The rest of you 'I'll see you there'.

Keef


From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM  Thu Dec 21 01:18:48 2000
From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:48 -0700
Subject: HW: Merry Xmas
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.2000.231848.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Thanks! and I echo the sentiment to all! Party on! Folx going to the
party-have some for me! I'll be working NYE!!! Moooolalalalahhh night! 18
hours of driving, but well worth it!
be safe, folx!
Pam

Keith Barton wrote:

> Right, I'm off for a couple of days, so.........
>
> Merry Xmas to everyone on the list!
>
> Have a good one,
>
> Have a great New Year for all the folk who can't make it to the party.
>
> The rest of you 'I'll see you there'.
>
> Keef

--
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   _____/----^---\____       The greatest tool for  world peace
 </__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o              "THE INTERNET"
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                URL:http://www.TransWestTaxi.com


From jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR  Thu Dec 21 05:30:51 2000
From: jcmoriaud at YAHOO.FR (Jean-Charles Moriaud)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:30:51 +0100
Subject: Promotion of the next album.
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.113051.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I was thinking of a few things to help the promotion of the next album:

. Get back to the sci-fi themes, avoid pure "hard rock" songs,
. Get a real good and well known designer for the cover. Never again those
Club Ninja or Heaven Forbid type of  crap. Why not Moebius - remember
Heavy-Metal? The style of Meobius is so well in sync with BOC. Remeber FOUO
and CE. And make some nois about it.
. Get somebody famous to co-write one or more songs like they did with Patti
Smith at that time. And let the world know. Flame off - why not a
collaboration with rappers - Fat Boy Slim?, or Mirwais (the one who wrote
Madonna songs) - , or AC/DC, or Metallica, Springsteen, Red Hot Chili
Peppers, or a well know classical orcherstra - Flame on.
. Organise a worldwide tour and advertise it. Last time they came to France
was without any advertising, in a very small venue, and no press coverage.
. Why not organise a "monsters of rock" type of tour. Remember Reading in
the lat 70s with Black Sabbath. Why not a revival of the black and blue
tour?
. Why not a cover of some well know rock classic song?
. Try hard to have on song as the main song of the next big sci-fi movie or
as the theme of a new video game.
. Why not the come back of the Bouchards and make an "original lineup" tour?
. Politicize again the songs, for example anti-nazi songs, that would
contrast with BE252 or Celine type of songs, or against  the liberal
globalisation (remeber Seattle?)...
. ...

Some may look simplistic and naive, but I love BOC for so long and I am so
frustrated. I'd like them to be recognised for what they were, what they
still are and what thy could be.

Pardon my english ;-)

Cheers,
Jean-Charles Moriaud
jcmoriaud at yahoo.fr
France




___________________________________________________________
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Achetez, vendez! ? votre prix! Sur http://encheres.yahoo.fr


From moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET  Thu Dec 21 07:20:39 2000
From: moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET (Bill Knispel)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:39 -0500
Subject: HW: need some assistance with setlists...
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.072039.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hate to be doing this, but I have the Anubian Lights 1999 SD set and Harvey
Bainbridge's 2000 SD set and I have no idea what was being performed on
either.  Some Hawkwind fan I am.  Anyway, if anyone could be so kind as to
e-mail me (privately, if you want) the setlists for each show, I'd
appreciate it very very much.



Bill


From maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK  Thu Dec 21 07:29:42 2000
From: maxine.wesley at PORT.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:29:42 +0000
Subject: HW: Location of the Astoria i
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.122942.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!

Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?

M at xine


From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Thu Dec 21 07:50:28 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:50:28 -0000
Subject: HW: Thrilling Adventures for sale
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.125028.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've got 3 shrinkwrapped Griffin copies of the above.

First 3 e-mails can have them for ?7 / $10 inc shipping,

Regards,

Stuart

The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151


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From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 21 07:57:34 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:57:34 -0000
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
In-Reply-To: <BEB26810CE@ou05.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.125734.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
> pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
> been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!

http://195.217.205.227/streetmap.dll?grid2map?x=530250&y=180750&zoom=1&isp=1
87&ism=500&arrow=y?177,175

shows Charing Cross Stn at the bottom, the Astoria at the top left, and
there's a cross for the church in St Giles High Street which is right next
door to the Angel.

> Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?

Oh yes.  I'm going as a bumblebee.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Thu Dec 21 08:10:54 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:10:54 -0000
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.131054.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Is the Angel the pub to meet at (I haven't been keeping up with this)?  What
time?

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Gilham <andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Location of the Astoria i


> > Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
> > pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
> > been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!
>
>
http://195.217.205.227/streetmap.dll?grid2map?x=530250&y=180750&zoom=1&isp=1
> 87&ism=500&arrow=y?177,175
>
> shows Charing Cross Stn at the bottom, the Astoria at the top left, and
> there's a cross for the church in St Giles High Street which is right next
> door to the Angel.
>
> > Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?
>
> Oh yes.  I'm going as a bumblebee.
>
> -- Andy
>
> www.andygilham.com


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 21 08:12:03 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:03 -0000
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
In-Reply-To: <000f01c06b4f$73bb0a40$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.131203.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well it's *a* pub...  we met there before BOC at the Astoria a couple of
years ago.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Kevin Perry
> Sent: 21 December 2000 13:11
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: HW: Location of the Astoria i
>
>
> Is the Angel the pub to meet at (I haven't been keeping up with
> this)?  What
> time?
>
> ---
> Kevin Perry
> Sonic Energy Authority
> http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
>
> "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> duties."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Gilham <andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: Location of the Astoria i
>
>
> > > Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
> > > pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
> > > been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!
> >
> >
> http://195.217.205.227/streetmap.dll?grid2map?x=530250&y=180750&zo
om=1&isp=1
> 87&ism=500&arrow=y?177,175
>
> shows Charing Cross Stn at the bottom, the Astoria at the top left, and
> there's a cross for the church in St Giles High Street which is right next
> door to the Angel.
>
> > Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?
>
> Oh yes.  I'm going as a bumblebee.
>
> -- Andy
>
> www.andygilham.com


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Thu Dec 21 08:35:28 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:35:28 -0500
Subject: BOC: More news from Melne
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.083528.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Prepare for the annual west coast swing:

As of now:

Jan 25   Concho, OK
      26   Coos Bay, OR
      27   Klamath Falls, OR  -  Ross Ragland Theatre
      28   San Diego, CA  -  4th and B

Feb  1    Portland  -  Roseland
       2   Seattle  -  King Cat
       3   In the Valley, CA  -   Canyon Theatre
       4   Anaheim, CA  -  Sun Theatre

also (hopefully) soon to be announced: San Francisco Bay Area date

-----

Eric announced that there will be some new merch appearing soon at the Blue
Oyster Cult Official Store.

-----

Studio Report: The band spent Dec 14 - 22 at the studio recording. Eric and
Buck both brought their digital cameras, and have some photos to share from
the studio. THey are posted on the blueoystercult.com site. Go to the Band
--> Gallery section. More photos from the studio will be posted shortly.

-----

You may notice some changes on the website. The site is in the process of
splitting, and the portion that is about the band is migrating from the
bocfanclub.com domain to the blueoystercult.com domain. To get all the
LATEST updates, visit http://www.blueoystercult.com. The in-the-studio photo
gallery only resides on blueoystercult.com.
As soon as the site is completely migrated, the duplicate, old pages on
bocfanclub will be taken down. Bocfanclub will remain as the fan club site,
and blueoystercult.com will be the band official site.
Bear with our "dust" as we improve, update and move.


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Thu Dec 21 08:36:22 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:36:22 +0000
Subject: OFF: Browser rant.
In-Reply-To: <4c.cea3034.2748531d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.133622.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 11/18/00 2:57:29 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK
> writes:
>
> << That (Netscape 5) never happened >>
>
> gentlemen:
>
> #5 never happened[?]
> but i have #6
> waiting for me to get off my arse
> and kick it in.
>
> currently available at their page online...

        Unless it's dramatically slimmer and less memory-intensive than
4.7, and will run under Windows 3.1, it's still well beyond the
capability of my machine I fear. Upgrading it is on the list, but
January's surplus will go on fixing my CD player, February's on new shoes
and March's on new jeans and shirts so in the meantime my computer will
have to stagger on as best it can. Which it does quite well
considering. Yours,
                    Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Thu Dec 21 09:42:01 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:42:01 +0000
Subject: HW: LARRY BOYD
In-Reply-To: <a05010408b65f1b6569e1@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.144201.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote:

> I think, objectively speaking, there are some quite good moments on
> the DL SD99 and Mandelbrot 2000 vids. Not all of it, but certainly
> some damn fine peaks! Mr. Jarrett may be willing to back me up on
> this, as a disinterested observer :)

        The SD99 video is possibly less interesting than the audio, as on
the tape it sounds a good deal more connected than it looks on the
video. It's not really typical Das Ludicroix, in that it lacks attack
somewhat, but there are some very good moments. Doug Pearson's synth raher
overwhelms the audio too, and the video generally has a fuller sound.

        The Mandelbrot stuff kicks arse! It must have been intense to
watch! A dense soup of space noise with lurking riffs and hypnotic
rhythms. Again I suspect on tape it would be a lot less obvious how
chancey this whole creation is, as you get the impression of confusion
much more, but I would heartily recommend it to anyone who thinks
Tangerine Dream's _Zeit_ is OK but really could have used a three piece
rythym section going flat-out :-) Yours,
                                         Jon

ObCD: Alan Davey - _Captured Rotation_
--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK  Thu Dec 21 09:46:23 2000
From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jon Jarrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:46:23 +0000
Subject: OFF: Tape Trade 2000
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.144623.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

        Dear All,
                  having finally got my tape out the door and into a
postbox some days back, I finally opened the one Doug Pearson has sent me,
and it's cool. Mr. Pearson you're an odd man. But BOC-L subscribers know
this anyway. What they don't know, or at least I don't, is who the bands
on this tape are, which annoys me as I'm sure I recognise two of
them. I've tried hitting Stuart's web-page but the BOC-L 2000 option on
the Bitter Wind page menu returns a 404. Stuart? Anyone? Yours,
                                                                Jon

--
     Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
   =====================================================================
        "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec 21 09:47:49 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:47:49 GMT
Subject: HW: Location of the Astoria i
In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:29:42 +0000
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.144749.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Maxine Wesley writes:

> Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
> pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
> been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!

I'm still trying to find out which pub, but the Astoria is up the hill
towards Oxford Street from Charing X station. It's about at the point
where the road heads in to Leicester Square.

FoFP

> Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?

I'm currently putting together a Biggles/Calvert outfit.


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec 21 09:48:53 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:48:53 GMT
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:10:54 -0000
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.144853.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Kevin Perry writes:

> Is the Angel the pub to meet at (I haven't been keeping up with this)?  What
> time?

Does it have real ale and grub?

FoFP


From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM  Thu Dec 21 10:36:06 2000
From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:36:06 -0600
Subject: BOC: More news from Melne
In-Reply-To: <3A420720.7070706@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.093606.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Michael S. Habiby wrote:

> Prepare for the annual west coast swing:
>
> As of now:
>
> Jan 25   Concho, OK

Are we _real_ sure about that OK part?  It's a _long_ ways from Oklahoma
to Coos Bay.  There is an Indian Casino in in Concho, but it's a freaking
tiny town, once you get past that part.  Granted it is only 22 miles from
Oklahoma City.  Any mid west types want to make a _weird_ road trip?

>       26   Coos Bay, OR
>       27   Klamath Falls, OR  -  Ross Ragland Theatre
>       28   San Diego, CA  -  4th and B
>
> Feb  1    Portland  -  Roseland
>        2   Seattle  -  King Cat
>        3   In the Valley, CA  -   Canyon Theatre
>        4   Anaheim, CA  -  Sun Theatre


From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM  Thu Dec 21 09:54:25 2000
From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:54:25 -0000
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.145425.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Real ale, certainly.  Adnams IIRC...

R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Location of the Astoria i


> Kevin Perry writes:
>
> > Is the Angel the pub to meet at (I haven't been keeping up with this)?
What
> > time?
>
> Does it have real ale and grub?
>
> FoFP


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From bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM  Thu Dec 21 10:52:17 2000
From: bocfan at AREA51.BCGSYSTEMS.COM (J. Michael Looney)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:52:17 -0600
Subject: BOC: Concho
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.095217.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK, it is in Oklahoma.  I did a little more RTFWing and it appears they
are playing the "Luck Star Casino".    I was not aware that Indian
Casino's in Oklahoma did the Musical act thing, they being bingo halls in
the main.   This is going to be _weird_.

It's a 3 hour drive for me, so I'm seeing a road trip in late January


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec 21 09:03:24 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:03:24 EDT
Subject: BOC: Concho
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012210945050.18330-100000@area51.bcgsystems.com>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.100324.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 21 Dec 00, at 9:52, J. Michael Looney wrote:

> OK, it is in Oklahoma.  I did a little more RTFWing and it appears
> they are playing the "Luck Star Casino".    I was not aware that
> Indian Casino's in Oklahoma did the Musical act thing, they being
> bingo halls in the main.   This is going to be _weird_.
>
> It's a 3 hour drive for me, so I'm seeing a road trip in late January

I know this is probably a gross generalization, but judging by the
presentation of musical acts in our local casino, here are a few
caveats:

the shows are typically a little short.  Don't expect more than an hour-
and-a-half gig.

No alcohol!  At least not in the Turning Stone.  Maybe different out
west.

High cost.  The turning Stone charges from 25 to fifty bucks for acts.
I think they charged 35 bucks for BOC last time they played there!

the plus side?

Cabaret-style seating.  Nice, comfortable chairs seated at a table in a
small room.

Intimate setting probably means a good view of the action...

your mileage may vary--maybe this casino is nothing like the Turning
Stone...

theo


From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU  Thu Dec 21 10:19:22 2000
From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:19:22 +0800
Subject: HW:Finest Moments
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.231922.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Same here! WOTEOT was my 3rd Hawkwind album, & was bought about one month
after I discovered the band. It was that moment that made them my favourite
band!

William


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Swann" <swann at CUGC.ORG>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: HW:Finest Moments


> On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 05:09:58PM -0500, Al Ogilvy wrote:
> >
> >   Incidently....does anyone else get that chills down your spine thing
when
> > they doA&B / Golden void ? that slide from one to the other always makes
me
> > feel like a cold breeze blowing on my neck. Always a magic moment
wherever it
> > appears
>
> That transition is my favorite moment in all of recorded music, and I
> get that same tingling sensation across my shoulders and down my
> spine every time I hear it.
>
> Steve
>


From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Thu Dec 21 10:32:24 2000
From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:32:24 -0000
Subject: HW: Location of the Astoria i
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.153224.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Subject: Re: HW: Location of the Astoria i


> Maxine Wesley writes:
>
> > Can someone please e-mail the location of the Astoria & the pre-gig
> > pub meet in relation to Charing Cross station - |I  know this has
> > been pointed out previously but I have lorst the directions. TUT!
>
> I'm still trying to find out which pub, but the Astoria is up the hill
> towards Oxford Street from Charing X station. It's about at the point
> where the road heads in to Leicester Square.


I think you may be thinking of the Hippodrome. That`s right next to
Leciester Square. It`s a bit of a walk from Charing Cross to the Astoria.
The Astoria is right on top (almost literally) of Tottenham Court Road Tube
station. That would be the one to aim for by train as it`s literally 30
seconds from the tube exit. And Tottenham Court Road is on the Northern line
which is useful for connections.

 Si
> FoFP
>
> > Also is the fancy dress thing still a serious option?
>
> I'm currently putting together a Biggles/Calvert outfit.


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 21 10:54:12 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:54:12 EST
Subject: HW: [larry boyd]
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.105412.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/21/00 9:42:30 AM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK
writes:

<<  I think, objectively speaking, there are some quite good moments on
> the DL SD99 and Mandelbrot 2000 vids. Not all of it, but certainly
> some damn fine peaks! Mr. Jarrett may be willing to back me up on
> this, as a disinterested observer :)

        The SD99 video is possibly less interesting than the audio, as on
the tape it sounds a good deal more connected than it looks on the
video. It's not really typical Das Ludicroix, in that it lacks attack
somewhat, but there are some very good moments. Doug Pearson's synth raher
overwhelms the audio too, and the video generally has a fuller sound.
===
nnnggghhh tune up, doug! turn up, carl!

oh, i remember it well...'okay, doc synth, i wont get high before the set'...
doc synth: 'oh, but you _will_ get high before the set!'

doctor's orders, y'unnerstand.

<< The Mandelbrot stuff kicks arse! It must have been intense to
watch! A dense soup of space noise with lurking riffs and hypnotic
rhythms. Again I suspect on tape it would be a lot less obvious how
chancey this whole creation is, as you get the impression of confusion
much more, but I would heartily recommend it to anyone who thinks
Tangerine Dream's _Zeit_ is OK but really could have used a three piece
rhythm section going flat-out :-) Yours,>>
 ===                                        Jon
 after SD, and facing a nigh-empty room that day, we understood our mission
and acted accordingly. the lights, the theatrical smoke [or whatever that
was], being transiently able to hear my colleagues..."i know! i'll follow
what carl's doing.."
for we onstage, one big blur, as well it should have been. with doc synth
stuck in bronx traffic, bob mayo and carl's sister performed more than
adequately.

a good note to vanish into the ether on, as we werent able to take mr. lascko
up on his invite to replace bionaut, at SD2K, and start off the whole danged
festival.


ho to the 3rd power!

"<>"


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec 21 11:00:54 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:00:54 GMT
Subject: HW: Live and Buzzing LP?
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.160054.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just saw a reference to this (festival label 1981) on the web. Has
anyone ever heard of it?

FoFP


From joe.e at TELIA.COM  Thu Dec 21 11:34:43 2000
From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:34:43 +0100
Subject: HW: Live and Buzzing LP?
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.173443.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 16:00 2000-12-21 GMT, you wrote:
>Just saw a reference to this (festival label 1981) on the web. Has
>anyone ever heard of it?
>
>FoFP


I've read somewhere that "Live and Buzzing" should be a LP bootleg on the
"Live at the Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals" boot.

Another vinyl boot based on this rarity should be entitled "Alive and Kicking".
As far as I understand those boots are manufactured back in the early
eighties - as the W&SF. Or it's maybe the same run under different cover?

Never seen either of "Buzzing" or "Kicking" in real life.


If it's for sale, buy it and enlighten me.
Or if you're out of money, let me buy it.

.joe


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 21 11:59:13 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:59:13 -0000
Subject: HW:  Location of the Astoria i
In-Reply-To: <200012211448.OAA29582@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.165913.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Does it have real ale and grub?

Sam Smith's and yes, I think.  Might be worth someone checking though (and
in fact to see if they're open then!)

I would if I were still in London.

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Thu Dec 21 11:59:19 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:59:19 -0500
Subject: HW: Updates
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.115919.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS

New updates online at Mission Control > Updates
Totalrock broadcast announced
For a direction map to the venue click on
'Charing Cross Road' on the page header

Some other new announcements pending release
within the next 24 hours

++MESSAGE ENDS


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Thu Dec 21 12:02:29 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:02:29 GMT
Subject: HW: Live and Buzzing LP?
In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:34:43 +0100
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.170229.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Johan Edlundh writes:

> At 16:00 2000-12-21 GMT, you wrote:
> >Just saw a reference to this (festival label 1981) on the web. Has
> >anyone ever heard of it?
> >
> >FoFP
>
>
> I've read somewhere that "Live and Buzzing" should be a LP bootleg on the
> "Live at the Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals" boot.
>
> Another vinyl boot based on this rarity should be entitled "Alive and Kicking".
> As far as I understand those boots are manufactured back in the early
> eighties - as the W&SF. Or it's maybe the same run under different cover?
>
> Never seen either of "Buzzing" or "Kicking" in real life.

OK, that makes sense. I have it as just Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and
Watchfield.

> If it's for sale, buy it and enlighten me.
> Or if you're out of money, let me buy it.

Nah, it was just in someone's collection listed on the web.

FoFP


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Dec 21 12:40:23 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:40:23 -0600
Subject: HW: no booking info yet
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.114023.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

folks,

I'm trying my best to get booking info, but the guy I'm dealing
with hasn't emailed me back, and I don't have a phone number for him.

If you are going to be offline for weekend/xmas/whatever, drop
me email with a phone number, and I'll call when I get reasonable
information.

(Please include your country code, if known, and time differential
from chicago, il, us, if known.  I'd rather not be calling people
at 4am, if I can help it.  The uk folks I know....6 hour differential.)

Thanks,

Arin
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From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE  Thu Dec 21 13:27:50 2000
From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:27:50 +0100
Subject: HW:Hawkfan 28
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.192750.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

> Just got in Hawkfan 28 from Brain Tawn with a stunning rapport from the
>  Brixton gig by David Watson (who did the
> "Born To Go" book a few years ago).

Yes, it is very well written. A perfect chronologic report of the full gig. In
fact I saw a video of the event in my mind whilst reading it! Now, it would be
fine to have a soundtrack to the video... (actually I have one [thanx Bernie],
though it would be better to have one in perfect sound quality)


> Actually 95% of the Hawkfan is the review of the Hawkestra !!
> So,support Brain Tawn again and buy a copy.

YES!

> We should all consider,Brain was THE info-source,before the internet.
>
> His adress is still:
> BRAIN TAWN
> 27 BURDETT ROAD
> WISBECH
> CAMBS.
> PE13 2PR
> ENGLAND


You can get the new Hawkwind Feedback as well. Brian phoned with DB and he said
the X-mas gig is going to be much better than the Brixton event!

Andreas


From rtolsha at WPGATE.SHS.ILSTU.EDU  Thu Dec 21 09:57:48 2000
From: rtolsha at WPGATE.SHS.ILSTU.EDU (Richard Olshak)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:57:48 -0600
Subject: BOC: Imaginos
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.085748.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I have probably read "Imaginos" and listened to it a million
times....just bought the Brain Surgeons cd with the lost song, and have
read the material from Bryce Baker posted to BOC-L. Can anyone provide
additional information on the saga, and where can I find it? I am
fascinated by the story and am combining portions of it with another
story that I am writing.

Looking forward to any assistance.

Thanks,

Rick Olshak

(rtolsha at ilstu.edu)


From StevenTice at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 21 16:26:15 2000
From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:26:15 EST
Subject: BOC: Imaginos
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.162615.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/21/2000 3:57:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rtolsha at WPGATE.SHS.ILSTU.EDU writes:


> I have probably read "Imaginos" and listened to it a million
> times....just bought the Brain Surgeons cd with the lost song, and have
> read the material from Bryce Baker posted to BOC-L. Can anyone provide
> additional information on the saga, and where can I find it? I am
> fascinated by the story and am combining portions of it with another
> story that I am writing.
>
> Looking forward to any assistance.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Olshak
>

It's important to note that the Brain Surgeons' version of Girl Love Made
Blind is VERY different from the one that was originally recorded and omitted
from Imaginos.  Gil Blanco County was also a finished song intended for
Imaginos which was omitted from the album.  I recently posted the lyrics to
Half Life Time, another Imaginos-related song that only exists in demo form.
The FAQ has oodles of info on Imaginos, I would suggest checking that for
more information. :-)

Steven Tice

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From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Thu Dec 21 16:38:42 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:38:42 -0000
Subject: HW: no booking info yet
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.213842.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Arin

Thanks for all your work.    I'll try and establish email contact
from my holiday abode when I get there but in case the technology
isn't up to it - I'll be staying with my brother (John Strobridge)
in Guernsey and I've no idea what the Guernsey (Channel Islands)
code is!!!     However, with luck it's the same as the UK so it'll
be ( I think)        00 44 1481 258711   and I'll be +5 hours ahead
of you.    I've also got a mobile phone which (hopefully) should be
00 44 777 638 5420

many thanks!!
jill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:40 PM
Subject: HW: no booking info yet


> folks,
>
> I'm trying my best to get booking info, but the guy I'm dealing
> with hasn't emailed me back, and I don't have a phone number for
him.
>
> If you are going to be offline for weekend/xmas/whatever, drop
> me email with a phone number, and I'll call when I get reasonable
> information.
>
> (Please include your country code, if known, and time differential
> from chicago, il, us, if known.  I'd rather not be calling people
> at 4am, if I can help it.  The uk folks I know....6 hour
differential.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>


From JustinHood26 at YAHOO.COM  Fri Dec 22 00:44:27 2000
From: JustinHood26 at YAHOO.COM (Justin Hood)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:44:27 -0800
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.214427.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

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From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Thu Dec 21 15:52:18 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:52:18 +0000
Subject: HW:Completists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012111245440.23030-100000@chiark.greenend.o rg.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.205218.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It is categorically NOT "our" Bob Calvert on the John Stevens (R.I.P.) album...
'Mazin' album though  ('Mazin' Ennit? is the title - & don't forget the
glo'al stops *g*)

Didactically Yours,
ChrisW

At 00:19 12/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>2) the same source lists a Calvert appearance on an LP called _Mazin
>Ennet_ by a group called John Stevens Away. I can't find anything out
>about this and suspect that whatever it was it was probably Mother Gong's
>Bob Calvert on it rather than our one. This is a mistake which occurs
>elsewhere in that file too. Can anyone confirm or refute my suspicion?
>      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
>    =====================================================================
>         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Dec 21 18:17:47 2000
From: dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM (Darrin McKeehen)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:17:47 -0500
Subject: OFF: Motörhead
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.181747.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Mot?rhead announces rescheduled shows

by Alexa Williamson - LiveDaily Staff Writer

LONDON--Mot?rhead has rescheduled three December dates that it canceled
after lead singer Lemmy Kilmister collapsed from exhaustion while on tour in
Italy. The thrash metal group will now make up the shows in May.

The new dates are May 21 at Manchester Apollo, May 22 at Wolverhampton Civic
Hall and May 23 at London Forum. All tickets already purchased are valid for
the new dates, or they can be returned to the point of purchase for refunds.

According to a statement, Kilmister was on the way to a complete recovery
after "getting to the end of his crate of [glucose drink] Lucozade (mixed
with bourbon, no doubt.)"
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From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec 21 14:28:45 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:28:45 -0000
Subject: Promotion of the next album.
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.192845.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Any budding artists out there who fancy designing a set of covers for the
next Alan Davey album, who can knock up something good that runs along the
lines of the themes of space and Moroccan, can do designs for front back and
inside the inserts, then e.mail me at:
andygee at dial.pipex.com
and you could be immortalised  but I don't think there's any money in it
before you ask, but that doesn't depend on me.
Andy Garibaldi.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec 21 18:40:40 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:40:40 -0000
Subject: HW: -Star Nation
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.234040.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Easiest way of doing this - to all who may be going to the Hawkwind concert
on 29th.
The Star Nation CD has arrived and been despatched to everryone who ordered
it bar five people, three of whom have been notified and two of whom will
get a phone call tomorrow, so anyone seeing it at the show, if you ordered
it from CD Services, then your copy is in the post - any doubts, then I'm in
the office as normal on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of next week if
anyone wants to call (01382-776595) or e.mail (agcdser at aol.com) to check,
OK.
That's it - hope you like it.
Andy Garibaldi.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec 21 19:04:53 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:04:53 -0000
Subject: HW:Completists
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.000453.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You're back - did you get my e.mail about the 12CD set Chris?
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Warburton" <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: HW:Completists


> It is categorically NOT "our" Bob Calvert on the John Stevens (R.I.P.)
album...
> 'Mazin' album though  ('Mazin' Ennit? is the title - & don't forget the
> glo'al stops *g*)
>
> Didactically Yours,
> ChrisW
>
> At 00:19 12/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >2) the same source lists a Calvert appearance on an LP called _Mazin
> >Ennet_ by a group called John Stevens Away. I can't find anything out
> >about this and suspect that whatever it was it was probably Mother Gong's
> >Bob Calvert on it rather than our one. This is a mistake which occurs
> >elsewhere in that file too. Can anyone confirm or refute my suspicion?
> >      Jon Jarrett (01223 514989)       jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk
> >    =====================================================================
> >         "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito."


From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 21 23:47:53 2000
From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:47:53 EST
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20OFF:=20Mot=F6rhead?=
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.2000.234753.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/21/00 3:21:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dmckeehen at HOTMAIL.COM writes:


> The thrash metal group will now make up the shows in May.
>
>

'thrash metal group'...jeez...don't get me started...
bobm
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From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 22 01:16:00 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:16:00 EST
Subject: HW: need some assistance with setlists...
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.011600.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/21/00 4:18:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET writes:

> Hate to be doing this, but I have the Anubian Lights 1999 SD set and Harvey
>  Bainbridge's 2000 SD set and I have no idea what was being performed on
>  either.  Some Hawkwind fan I am.  Anyway, if anyone could be so kind as to
>  e-mail me (privately, if you want) the setlists for each show, I'd
>  appreciate it very very much.
>
>
>
>  Bill
>

Ah-ha... I'd love to give these a listen...wanna do a trade? (I don't have a
CD-R Burner, but I'll give you as many tapes you want in exchange for CD-Rs).
Speaking of SD sets: Hey, Kevin Sommers, I know you've got the goods, when
you gonna help the rest of us out? :) Chuck


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 22 06:23:09 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:23:09 EDT
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <020c01c06bdb$4e385b60$d419883e@laytonho>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.072309.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 21 Dec 00, at 21:44, Justin Hood wrote:

> Help
> How do you condense all the messages to just one daily mail

Thus spake my 'welcome' message from '96.  Not sure if this is still
valid, but give it a try:

'This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive  the
digested version of the postings, just issue a SET BOC-L DIGEST command.'


From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Fri Dec 22 09:52:04 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:52:04 -0000
Subject: OFF: Tape Trade 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.145204.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Dear All,
>having finally got my tape out the door and into a
>postbox some days back, I finally opened the one Doug Pearson has sent me,
>and it's cool. Mr. Pearson you're an odd man. But BOC-L subscribers know
>this anyway. What they don't know, or at least I don't, is who the bands
>on this tape are, which annoys me as I'm sure I recognise two of
>them. I've tried hitting Stuart's web-page but the BOC-L 2000 option on
>the Bitter Wind page menu returns a 404. Stuart? Anyone? Yours,
>Jon

Of course, if I'd uploaded the file to the correct subdirectory, everything
would be fine.  Except Mr Pearson hasn't e-mailed me the track listing, but
the few I have are now in the right place.

Direct URL is http://the-rocker.freeservers.com/bitter/boc2000.html

Stuart
NP Status Quo - Pye Collection
The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151

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From stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM  Fri Dec 22 10:23:01 2000
From: stuarthamilton at REDHOTANT.COM (Zeitgeist)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:23:01 -0000
Subject: HW: Moorcock / Astoria
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.152301.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

MOORCOCK GETS ON THE PHONE
Legendary author and Hawkwind collaborator Michael Moorcock will be a
special guest at the TotalRock-sponsored Hawkwind show in London on
December 29. Moorcock will recite some poetry - but the twist is that
he'll do this by phone from his home in Austin, Texas. This is just one of
a number of special events being planned for the event, which happens at
The Astoria.

The Hawkwind Shop
http://www.101cd.com/ogrp01.asp?artist=HAWKWIND&s=1151


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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 22 10:30:38 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:30:38 -0600
Subject: HW: rooms
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.093038.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello folks,

Just heard back from the hotel.

They are having problems printing out my email, and need a fax, which I'm
going to put through shortly.

Quoting from the fax:

"Credit card details can be taken from individuals at check in so you
don't need to worry about that until arrival."

I'm going to fax back to them in about 10 minutes or so.

Hotel info:

Quality Hotel Westminster
82-83 Eccleston Square
London, SW1V 1PS
phone: 020 7 8348042

Might not be a bad idea to confirm tomorrow, but hopefully this should
take care of things.

I'm going to try to take care of meeting room type stuff
when I arrive on the 27th.  Due to the miracle of netcafes,
I'll post up to the list the details when I get 'em, and
probably leave messages for those folks who I'm arranging rooms
for ;-)

In the meanwhile, when everyone gets in, do stop by my room/leave me a
message/wave hi.

Arin
(so what was that damn pub name again that we are meeting at?)
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From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK  Fri Dec 22 11:20:53 2000
From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:20:53 +0000
Subject: merry xmas / HW gig
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:59:13 GMT."
 <LPBBLNNCENLINIMONNCJOENOCLAA.andygilham@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.162053.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Andy,

Merry Christmas !

Just finally got round to grabbing a HW ticket for the 29th. I haven't got
time to plough through boc-l messages about whats happening before & after but
I take it a meet up in the Angel seems likely, about 4pm ish ?

Bell me on 07710462314 nearer the time if that ain't the case !

I won't access this account again till the new year - use the cc'd address.

cheers


Tim


From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK  Fri Dec 22 11:27:45 2000
From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:27:45 +0000
Subject: merry xmas / HW gig
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:20:53 GMT."
 <200012221620.QAA08850@aeolians.bt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.162745.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And the seasonal f**kwit award goes to me for not paying attention to
destination field.  Shoulda gone stright home from the pub :-P

merry christmas y'all - see you on the 29th

Tim


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 22 12:32:58 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:32:58 -0600
Subject: HW: more rooms info
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.113258.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

OK.

Faxing turned out to be an unmitigated disaster
(as far as I can tell, my work isn't allowing
the call through.)

Fortunately, however, the wonderful reservations
people called me (yay), and I gave over everyone's
information over the phone.  Whew.

I should have a confirmation number shortly.

I've also requested meeting space with audiovisual equipment

(keep in mind that I'm not going to be able
to bring over any hawkwind goodies to watch, since
I'm NTSC here, and the UK is PAL.  So bring
some stuff, if you want to see it.)

Note:  I guess we'll hold a collection for the meeting
space etc. since I'd rather not get stuck with the cost
of the room ;-)

Thanks,

Arin
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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 22 13:21:23 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:21:23 -0600
Subject: HW: hotel confirmation numbers
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.122123.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folks:

confirmation numbers for people:

Name                            Confirmation Number

Michael Blackman:               423
Eric Siegerman:                 426
Mark Licht & Robert Jacobs:     434
Denis & Kristin Regenbrecht:    429
Merrick and Julie French:       440
Dave Greenhalgh & Manmi Nanri:  452
Mike Holmes:                    444
Jill Strobridge                 460
Andreas Stuewe & Bernhard P.    466
Filip Vanhuyse                  470
Rich Warren                     445

Kris and Dave, I'm sending your confirmations directly.

Thanks,

Arin
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From erics at TELEPRES.COM  Fri Dec 22 13:43:03 2000
From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:43:03 -0500
Subject: your mail
In-Reply-To: <200012221223.HAA19377@syr.edu>; from tojackso@LIBRARY.SYR.EDU on
 Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 07:23:09AM -0400
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.134303.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 07:23:09AM -0400, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:
> On 21 Dec 00, at 21:44, Justin Hood wrote:
>
> > Help
> > How do you condense all the messages to just one daily mail
>
> 'This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive  the
> digested version of the postings, just issue a SET BOC-L DIGEST command.'

You can also do it via the Web:
  - go to http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html
  - click "Join or leave the list (or change settings)"

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From marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Dec 22 14:09:18 2000
From: marklicht at HOTMAIL.COM (Mark Licht)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:09:18 -0800
Subject: HW: hotel confirmation numbers
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.110918.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri Dec 22 14:20:39 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:20:39 -0600
Subject: HW: hotel confirmation numbers
In-Reply-To: <F1732hdFxC8OtOA9fmz0000646d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.132039.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Mark Licht wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW: hotel confirmation numbers
:
:Hey Arin,
:
:I don't see you on the list...did you find someplace better to stay  :-)
:

heh.

nope, I'll be there.  Just figured that I didn't need to email myself
my confirmation number ;-)

Do stop by and hang out/help with post postgigparty stuff!

4 days 'til I leave, woo hoo!  ...and I got my passport yesterday!

Arin
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From hw at CY-B.ORG  Fri Dec 22 19:57:36 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:57:36 -0500
Subject: HW: UPDATES
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.2000.195736.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS

UPDATES ON MISSION CONTROL::::
www.hawkwind.org.uk
++
Michael Moorcock on Totalrock Saturday 21.30-22.00 GMT
++
Gig to be recorded for later broadcast by Totalrock....
++
Additional support band announced
++
Important announcement for overseas registrants
++
Full details on the site....

++message ends


From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM  Sat Dec 23 00:16:58 2000
From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:16:58 EST
Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/16/00
Message-ID: <SAT.23.DEC.2000.001658.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

NOTE: I won't be doing my usual 5-7pm PST slot this Saturday (tomorrow), but
perhaps will be on by around 11--1am ("or so"...sorry I can't be more
specific)...

12/16/00

1.Dark Angel--title track (Darkness Descends)
2.Slayer--Reborn (Reign in Blood)
3.ST 37--March of the Chrome Police (Spaceage)

4.Pressurehed--Turbo Pause (Infadrone)
5.Afresco Mantis--The Universe Shines Tonight (Harris Tweed EP)
6.Ashray Navigations--Icing Sugar Ceiling Rain (Serotonin Ronin II comp)

7.Man--It is As It Must Be (2 Oz's of Plastic w/a Hole in the Middle; Early
Years)
8.Gong--Zero the Hero and the Witch's Spell (Flying Teapot)
9.Architectural Metaphor--We've Come for Your Children (Odysseum Galacti)
10.Hawkwind--Fall of Earth City (Church of Hawkwind)

11.Vas Deferens Organization--Tao City Hovercraft (Sweat Your Cheeses...)
12.Zaraza--Zaraza (Slavic Blasphemy)
13.Candlemass--title track (Ancient Dreams)

14.Moon Dance Experiment--Boom-Boom-Boom (Your Movements)
15.Avey Tare and Panda Bear--Chocolate Girl (Spirit They're Gone...)
16.Neutral Milk Hotel--King of Carrot Flowers Parts 1, 2 and 3 (In The
Aeroplane...)
17.Heavenly Music Corporation--Sphereless (Anechoic)

18.Silver Apples--A Pox on You/Fantasies (Contact; MCA Silver Apples comp)
19.Dagons--Las Sirenas (Make Us Old)
20.Quarkspace--Don't Stop the Levee/Quarkital (Live Orion)

21.a sometimes successful/sometimes not "mix" of Barlow/Petersen/Wivinus,
Charlambides and Allen Ginsberg singing William Blake
22.Dreampipe--Chorus Song/East of Pizza (Nursery Fruit History)

23.Tangerine Dream's "Origin of Supernatural Possibilities" (Zeit) is a
back-drop for Amon Duul 2, Chrome and Laibach.

24.More Hawkwind, Gong and Brain (what else?)

thanks, Chuck

"SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-7pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR.
TO LISTEN, GO TO: http://kucr.org/instruct.html
For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing
list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Sat Dec 23 05:22:33 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:22:33 -0000
Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia
Message-ID: <SAT.23.DEC.2000.102233.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Apparently Astralasia and Banco de Gaia are Playing Whirligig on New Years Eve!

Rich
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec 23 13:06:48 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:06:48 -0000
Subject: HW: Star Nation
Message-ID: <SAT.23.DEC.2000.180648.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Excellent stuff this. I hope the new Hawkwind output catches some of its energy. 

Dave
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From hw at CY-B.ORG  Sat Dec 23 19:04:04 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:04:04 -0500
Subject: HW: ACCOM UPDATE
Message-ID: <SAT.23.DEC.2000.190404.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

++STAR WARRIORS

Mission Control: www.hawkwind.org.uk >UPDATES
has updated detail of accommodation offers

++MESSAGE ENDS


From johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM  Sat Dec 23 21:19:57 2000
From: johnnybravo5858 at HOTMAIL.COM (Johnny Firic)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:19:57 -0000
Subject: BOC: Imaginos
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.021957.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > Looking forward to any assistance.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rick Olshak

Check out  <boc.jumptunes.com/boc3.8.htm>. But be sure to read the FAQ bit
first. Since I'm just one of those nerds with too much time on their hands,
you can also email me with questions (<johnnybravo58 at hotmail.com>) when
you're done.

You can also search the BOC-L archives for previous posts on this topic,
including the lyrics to the 3 "lost" songs. I don't know the URL, try
searching on Yahoo for "BOC-L archives".

Johnny

ps you should also post the story when you're done
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From freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU  Sun Dec 24 00:22:38 2000
From: freeaqua at IINET.NET.AU (Bill & Cynthia)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:22:38 +0800
Subject: OFF:  Cheers
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.132238.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

We would like to wish everyone on the BOC-Hawkwind list a *very* merry Christmas and a happy New Millennium.

Hope all that are going enjoy the Astoria gig. :-)

Bill & Cynthia
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From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Sun Dec 24 14:24:59 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:24:59 EST
Subject: XMAS GREETINGS !!
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.142459.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

 Happy belated Solstice greetings to All on the list.
 Have a festive time and may the spirit of the hawk fly with you all !

 Hopefully see you all on the 29th. (Still havent got my tickets yet
though!!..Work too difficult to make plans )

 FLY HAWKWIND !!!


From novadrive at HOME.COM  Sun Dec 24 17:16:16 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:16:16 -0700
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.151616.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

What sort of weather is London looking at for next week?  Trying to decide
how much of my luggage will be devoted to bulky things I never wear...

KevinSommers


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Dec 24 18:13:50 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:13:50 -0600
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
In-Reply-To: <DLEBJJHMFHIFGMNBNGJPEEHFCCAA.novadrive@home.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.171350.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Kevin Sommers wrote:

:Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
:
:What sort of weather is London looking at for next week?  Trying to decide
:how much of my luggage will be devoted to bulky things I never wear...
:
:KevinSommers

>From the weather channel's site, about 45 degrees fahrenheit all
week, and lots and lots of rain.

(45 is significantly warmer than it is here...woo hoo!)

Arin
(http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/uk__london.html)
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From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 24 18:25:58 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:25:58 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.232558.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Wet, wet and more wet.

---
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Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Sommers <novadrive at HOME.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:16 PM
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> What sort of weather is London looking at for next week?  Trying to decide
> how much of my luggage will be devoted to bulky things I never wear...
>
> KevinSommers


From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Sun Dec 24 16:13:00 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:13:00 +0000
Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia
In-Reply-To: <000a01c06cca$437c7f40$077479d5@a>
Message-ID: <SUN.24.DEC.2000.211300.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 10:22 23/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Apparently Astralasia and Banco de Gaia are Playing Whirligig on New Years
>Eve!
>
>Rich
B*gg*r, several times over... social obligations!!!!!
ChrisW


From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Mon Dec 25 03:20:27 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:20:27 -0000
Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.082027.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I've been trying to see both these bands since about 1993 and never made a
gig yet ;-)

There are plenty of tickets left apparently.

Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Warburton" <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia


> At 10:22 23/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Apparently Astralasia and Banco de Gaia are Playing Whirligig on New
Years
> >Eve!
> >
> >Rich
> B*gg*r, several times over... social obligations!!!!!
> ChrisW
>


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Mon Dec 25 03:48:51 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:48:51 -0600
Subject: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.024851.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here's a  web site for the Whirlygig thing:  http://www.whirl-y-gig.org.uk/

I may make it there, depending on whether or not I find myself comfortable in
some
hole-in the wall pub somewhere along the way....sounds like an ideal
destination for ringing in the New Year, though.

Definitely looking forward to the show on the 29th, though.  (Which pub is
everyone hanging out at before the show?)

I also would like to wish everyone a Safe and Happy New Year!

Best Regards,

Tom Clark



Rich Warren wrote:

> I've been trying to see both these bands since about 1993 and never made a
> gig yet ;-)
>
> There are plenty of tickets left apparently.
>
> Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Warburton" <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF: London Astralasia/Banco de Gaia
>
> > At 10:22 23/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Apparently Astralasia and Banco de Gaia are Playing Whirligig on New
> Years
> > >Eve!
> > >
> > >Rich
> > B*gg*r, several times over... social obligations!!!!!
> > ChrisW
> >


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec 25 04:58:56 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:28:56 +1030
Subject: HW:
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.202856.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A Big Merry Christmas to you all from Down Under

:))

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Michael B
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From tonym at GIL.COM.AU  Mon Dec 25 07:27:02 2000
From: tonym at GIL.COM.AU (Tony Melius)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:27:02 +1000
Subject: Christmas Greetings
In-Reply-To: <005001c06e59$4c8c9440$3bd0223f@michaelangelo68>
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.222702.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A verry merry Christmas and a happy 2001 to all Hawkfans around the world.
I'll be with many of you in spirit at the Astoria and post-gig party on the
29th ... have to practice that astral-travelling thing first, though ;-)

In particular my wishes go to all past and present members of Hawkwind.
Thanks for the Oz tour this year, and PLEASE come back soon. Give us a
little more notice, and we'll help make it a fantastic tour!

Tony M.
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From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Mon Dec 25 10:13:07 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael Habiby)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:13:07 -0500
Subject: BOC/HW: News
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.101307.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi all.

More concert Dates. Note the Lemmy credit in the bottom part of the email.

----------------------------------

Added dates on Jan 30 & 31 in Northern CA...Updated city on Feb 3.


Jan 25   Concho, OK
      26   Coos Bay, OR
      27   Klamath Falls, OR  -  Ross Ragland Theatre
      28   San Diego, CA  -  4th and B
      30   San Francisco, CA - Slims
      31   Santa Cruz, CA - The Catalyst

Feb  1    Portland  -  Roseland
       2   Seattle  -  King Cat
       3   Agoura Hills, CA  -   Canyon Theatre
       4   Anaheim, CA  -  Sun Theatre

-----

A feature article on BOC at www.graceandfury.com
click on "FEATURE"

-----

Eric Bloom sings "For Whom the Bell Tolls" on an upcoming Metallica tribute
album. guitarist on the track is none other than Al Pitrelli (Megadeth,
Savatage) who filled in for Allen on a California tour two years ago. Here
is the rundown of the tracks on the disc, which were posted on a metallica
online forum. I have no other information about the release, neither its
name nor its release date.

1. Battery
    vocals: Eric A.K. (Flotsam & Jetsam)
    guitar: Mike Clark (Suicidal Tendencies)
    bass: R. Trujillo (ex-Suicidal Tendencies)
    drums: Dave Lombardo (Grip Inc., ex-Slayer)

2. Sad But True
    vocals: Joey Belladonna (ex-Anthrax)
    guitar: Bruce Kulick (ex-Kiss)
    bass: Marco Mendoza (Thin Lizzy)
    drums: Eric Singer (ex-Kiss)

3. Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
    vocals: Whitfield Crane (ex-Ugly Kid Joe, ex-Life Of Agony)
    guitar: John Marshall (Metal Church)
    guitar: Scott Ian (Anthrax)
    bass: Tony Levin (ex-King Crimson, Liquid Tension Experiment)
    drums: Mickey Dee (Motorhead)

4. The Unforgiven
    vocals: Doug Pinnick (King's X)
    guitar: Vernon Reid (ex-Living Colour)
    bass: Tony Franklin (ex-Blue Murder, ex-Whitesnake)
    drums: Frankie Banali (Quiet Riot)

5. The Thing that should not be
    vocals: John Garcia (Unida, ex-Kyuss)
    guitar: Kurdt Vanderhoof (Metal Church)
    bass: Jeff Pilson (Dokken)
    drums: Jason Bonham (fils de John Bonham)

6. Enter Sandman
    vocals: Burton C. Bell (Fear Factory)
    guitar: John Christ (Danzig)
    bass: R. Trujilo
    drums: Tommy Aldridge (Thin Lizzy, ex-Whitesnake, ex-Ted Nugent)

7. Whiplash
    vocals: Billy Milano (M.O.D., S.O.D.)
    guitar: Scott Ian (Anthrax)
    bass: Phil Soussan (ex-Ozzy Osbourne)
    drums: Vinny Appice (ex-Black Sabbath)

8. Nothing Else Matters
    vocals: Jon Oliva (Savatage)
    guitar: Bob Balch
    Bass: Lemmy (Mot?rhead)
    drums: Gregg Bissonette (ex-David Lee Roth)

9. Seek & Destroy
    vocals: Chuck Billy (Testament)
    guitar: Jake E. Lee (ex-Ozzy Osbourne)
    bass: Jimmy Bain (Dio, ex-Rainbow)
    drums: Aynsley Dunbar (ex-Whitesnake, ex-UFO, ex-Zappa)

10. For Whom the bell Tolls
    vocals: Eric Bloom (Blue Oyster Cult)
    guitar: Al Pitrelli (Megadeth, ex-Savatage)
    bass: Tony Franklin
    drums: Aynsley Dunbar.


From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO  Mon Dec 25 15:33:52 2000
From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:33:52 +0100
Subject: hw/boc: merry xmas
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.213352.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

a fine xmas to all you fine people on the list!

best,
ketil svendsen

(being an oddity from norway, we northern people celebrated xmas in the
eve of 24th of dec---)

n.p. something by hawkwind, if the cd player could start playing  :-(
...anybody here got a brand to recommend?  :-)


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Mon Dec 25 16:10:34 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:10:34 +0100
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.221034.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them it's a sold out
Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?
And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?

Another thing I want to tell you guys who go to the after-party.
Don't smoke to much around Dave.He really doesn't like it.Just to let you know.
Altough remember seeing some old photos of him smoking.
Anyone can confirm this?

This is going to be so good.Last time I went to the Brixton we had already a full day of recordshopping before the gig,so we were already tired before the gig even started.This time I'll do the record shopping the day after,if I have any money left (according to how much merchandise will be sold at the Astoria).Also the friend I went with at Brixton wanted to return straight after the gig as it was his wife's birthday and he had permission to go to the gig,but he had to return straight away so we drove to Dover after Hawkwind to take The Shuttle home.Considering we were at foot from 6am in the morning,we were really broken.
Now I'll take more time to ease and enjoy it.
Well,see you all the 29th,can't wait.

greetings
filip hawknut

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From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Mon Dec 25 16:26:28 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:26:28 +0100
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.222628.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Clark <tclark at PETRONET.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: HW: london


> Likewise...I'm arriving the morning of the show and will be departing on
the
> 3rd.
> Gotta be some festivities somewhere around London worth checking out for
New
> Years' Eve.  Someone once mentioned that the Camden area is a pretty cool
> area to check out as far as pubs go...


Not only for pubs,you can do some mayor recordshopping over there too.
You should go there on saturday or sunday and take the tube to:CAMDEN LOCK
Go right after leaving the tubestation and look around.
Also there are nice shops at Hanway Street,Berwick Street and at Notting
Hill (near Portobello)
At Notting Hill you should check out "Music Exchange"(especially upstairs)
When being there you can go to The Mountain Grill.
If you need more info,e-mail me or maybe we'll meet at the concert.(I'm
staying in the hotel where the Hawks are)

best wishes
filip hawknut


From novadrive at HOME.COM  Mon Dec 25 19:27:52 2000
From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:27:52 -0700
Subject: SOLD OUT !!!
In-Reply-To: <001401c06eb9$7c2cf4a0$cea908d4@d8o7x0>
Message-ID: <MON.25.DEC.2000.172752.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I'll have to take your word about being sold out, because I've experienced
nothing but frustration trying to navigate the Total Rock site.  Horrible
design! Or is it just me?
And, I've seen pictures of Dave smoking, but what?  Myself, I can't stand
tobacco, but I do like to smoke.  If it's going to destroy my lungs, it had
better at least benefit my head....

KevinSommers


-----Original Message-----
From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf
Of Filip Vanhuyse
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 2:11 PM
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!


Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them it's a sold
out
Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?
And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?

Another thing I want to tell you guys who go to the after-party.
Don't smoke to much around Dave.He really doesn't like it.Just to let you
know.
Altough remember seeing some old photos of him smoking.
Anyone can confirm this?

This is going to be so good.Last time I went to the Brixton we had already a
full day of recordshopping before the gig,so we were already tired before
the gig even started.This time I'll do the record shopping the day after,if
I have any money left (according to how much merchandise will be sold at the
Astoria).Also the friend I went with at Brixton wanted to return straight
after the gig as it was his wife's birthday and he had permission to go to
the gig,but he had to return straight away so we drove to Dover after
Hawkwind to take The Shuttle home.Considering we were at foot from 6am in
the morning,we were really broken.
Now I'll take more time to ease and enjoy it.
Well,see you all the 29th,can't wait.

greetings
filip hawknut


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Tue Dec 26 05:41:50 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:41:50 +0100
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.114150.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi folks

Shit happens!!!!

This guy:

reebank at hotmail.com

is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at E-BAY

Here is his description:
This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or setlist.



WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!


Does anyone here know who this guy is???

I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set


Bernhard


From pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 06:46:30 2000
From: pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK (peter wibrew)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:46:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.114630.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The same thing happened with an Ozric tentacles Boot on E-bay a couple of
weeks ago, But after a couple of guys from the erpnotes list mailed E-Bay
telling them exactly what they thought, not to mention that it's illegal -
they removed the item from their list.
Bernhard, If you have an Item no. or somesuch there. ( I can't find the CDs)
perhaps we should all also mail our thoughts to them on this matter

What a horrible pimple on an excellent holiday!

peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> Hi folks
>
> Shit happens!!!!
>
> This guy:
>
> reebank at hotmail.com
>
> is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
E-BAY
>
> Here is his description:
> This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
setlist.
>
>
>
> WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
>
>
> Does anyone here know who this guy is???
>
> I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
>
>
> Bernhard


From J.Strobridge at UKGATEWAY.NET  Tue Dec 26 07:17:23 2000
From: J.Strobridge at UKGATEWAY.NET (John Strobridge)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:17:23 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.121723.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

rain and wind is the forecast at the moment.    There's the threat of snow
for  higher ground so travellers be warned.      Expect to get wet with a
cold damp wind.

Happy Boxing Day!
cheers
jill

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Sommers <novadrive at HOME.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:16 PM
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> What sort of weather is London looking at for next week?  Trying to decide
> how much of my luggage will be devoted to bulky things I never wear...
>
> KevinSommers


From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Tue Dec 26 07:44:38 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:44:38 +0100
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
In-Reply-To: <000701c06f31$7dfd3240$e48975c2@e1r6d4>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.134438.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Peter

At 11:46 26.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:

>What a horrible pimple on an excellent holiday!
Thats true!!


>perhaps we should all also mail our thoughts to them on this matter
A very good idea
Do you have the address to get in touch with the e-bay folks ?


Bernhard


From pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 08:24:48 2000
From: pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK (peter wibrew)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:24:48 -0000
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.132448.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Bernhard ( Merry Xmas )

The only way I can find of complaining is through this link:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html

and following 2 more links.

Have you got the page URL there, I still can't find it

The other thing one of the erpnoters did was offer the bidders a copy of the
show for B+P, thus removing any income the turd would make.

peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> Hi Peter
>
> At 11:46 26.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >What a horrible pimple on an excellent holiday!
> Thats true!!
>
>
> >perhaps we should all also mail our thoughts to them on this matter
> A very good idea
> Do you have the address to get in touch with the e-bay folks ?
>
>
> Bernhard


From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 09:04:06 2000
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:04:06 +0000
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.140406.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>Hi Bernhard ( Merry Xmas )
>
>The only way I can find of complaining is through this link:
>
>http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html
>
>and following 2 more links.
>
>Have you got the page URL there, I still can't find it
>
>The other thing one of the erpnoters did was offer the bidders a copy of the
>show for B+P, thus removing any income the turd would make.
>
>peter

Ah, so someone here might give me a chance to get hold of a 3 CD set of this
great gig then? (I hope!)  Personally I  wouldn't grudge paying a bit over
the cost price to get something like this, though totally see why people
would be pissed off at someone selling it on eBay... silly money for CD-R's
is just dumb! But a REASONABLE price... well...
Incidentally, a friend I was at the gig with spotted a 3=Cd set at a local
record fair only a few days after the gig.
Looking forward to the 29th... once again look out for the Radio Birdman
"symbol" baseball hat, and the incomprehensible Scottish accent... approach
with caution and do not attempt to feed... (only joking, duh!)

Dave


From coral at APORT.RU  Tue Dec 26 09:07:30 2000
From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:07:30 +0300
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.170730.0300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> Hi folks
>
> Shit happens!!!!
>
> This guy:
>
> reebank at hotmail.com
>
> is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
E-BAY
>
> Here is his description:
> This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
setlist.

Well, you can say everything but from my point of view I don't see anything
bad in it. It is bootleg so quality is not good.
I'd like to have this recording 'cause I love Hawkwind concerts but I can't
travel to UK for just a concert. It's too expensive to do it here, in
Russia. Where the average month salary is about $200.
But how can I listen to unedited, full length famous Hawkwind concert if
there's no bootlegs? I have more than 70 Hawkwind and related cds so you
can't blame that I'm  a bad Hawkwind fan.

So if anyone can send me tape or cd-r of some great Hawkwind concerts which
never were released I would be happy...

best regards,
Alissa


From coral at APORT.RU  Tue Dec 26 09:27:49 2000
From: coral at APORT.RU (Alissa)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:27:49 +0300
Subject: HW: a question for Dave Brock
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.172749.0300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hello!
I wonder why the great live BBC In Concert December '88 never was officially
released and is there any chance of future release of it?

Also will the classic and maybe the best album ever Warrior On The Edge Of
Time be re-realesed again?

And maybe there are any live recordings from the Warrior tour which also can
be released?

best regards,
Alissa


From pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 09:51:30 2000
From: pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK (peter wibrew)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:51:30 -0000
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.145130.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi

I realise that the hawkestra cds ( yes I found them ) were quite 'reasonably
priced'. It just sends a shiver down my spine when somebody makes even a
penny on bootlegs. ( surely not in the spirit of the whole idea ).
I trade quite often have, even done B+P for people when time allows, It
wouldn't even enter my head to sell a cdr ( wouldn't that piss the band
anyway and ruin it for everyone )
I did complain to e-bay using the below links, I realise the auction has
been and done but I feel quite strongly about it ( we brits are supposed to
be good at complaining) I just hate the idea of selling cdrs. I'm not trying
to deprive any hawkfan of their fix of the good stuff, hell no, If no-one
can trade for it a few B+P's might be in the offing, time allowing.
mail me off list please.

peter

----- Original Message -----
From: <gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> >Hi Bernhard ( Merry Xmas )
> >
> >The only way I can find of complaining is through this link:
> >
> >http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html
> >
> >and following 2 more links.
> >
> >Have you got the page URL there, I still can't find it
> >
> >The other thing one of the erpnoters did was offer the bidders a copy of
the
> >show for B+P, thus removing any income the turd would make.
> >
> >peter
>
> Ah, so someone here might give me a chance to get hold of a 3 CD set of
this
> great gig then? (I hope!)  Personally I  wouldn't grudge paying a bit over
> the cost price to get something like this, though totally see why people
> would be pissed off at someone selling it on eBay... silly money for
CD-R's
> is just dumb! But a REASONABLE price... well...
> Incidentally, a friend I was at the gig with spotted a 3=Cd set at a local
> record fair only a few days after the gig.
> Looking forward to the 29th... once again look out for the Radio Birdman
> "symbol" baseball hat, and the incomprehensible Scottish accent...
approach
> with caution and do not attempt to feed... (only joking, duh!)
>
> Dave


From bart at ENGAGE.NU  Tue Dec 26 10:47:30 2000
From: bart at ENGAGE.NU (Bart Brugmans)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:47:30 +0100
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.164730.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,

well if it is sold out then I will defenitly not be there :-(

(I sti had some idea in tthe back of my head of going there...)

I wish everybody who is going a day/night to remember!!!

--BArt


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 26 10:50:10 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:50:10 -0600
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
In-Reply-To: <E14AwIZ-000BkT-00@post.mail.nl.demon.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.095010.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bart Brugmans wrote:

:Subject: Re: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
:
:Hi,
:
:well if it is sold out then I will defenitly not be there :-(
:
:(I sti had some idea in tthe back of my head of going there...)
:
:I wish everybody who is going a day/night to remember!!!

both ticketweb and ticketmaster still had tickets, so don't give
up hope!

Arin
(hoping her flight goes through this afternoon, as its snowing
again here.)
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From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 26 10:49:45 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:49:45 EST
Subject: OFF: maximum weird/ Absurd org.
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.104945.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

<A HREF="http://www.absurd.org/a.html">Abs?rd ?rg.</A>

amazing that someone would take the time to put this together...

have fun.

definitely a BOC-L kinda place.
=


"<>"


From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 11:01:51 2000
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:01:51 +0000
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.160151.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I have a spare ticket (cost price), so anyone needing it please get in touch
asap. BArt, you have first refusal!       Please mail me offlist if interested.

Dave



>Hi,
>
>well if it is sold out then I will defenitly not be there :-(
>
>(I sti had some idea in tthe back of my head of going there...)
>
>I wish everybody who is going a day/night to remember!!!
>
>--BArt
>
>


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 26 11:11:24 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:11:24 -0600
Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
In-Reply-To: <001401c06eb9$7c2cf4a0$cea908d4@d8o7x0>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.101124.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

:Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
:
:Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them it's a sold out
:Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
:Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?

Does anyone have the address for the Angel pub?

:And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?

Don't know yet.  I'm still arranging details on that.

Arin
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From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Tue Dec 26 11:21:09 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:21:09 -0600
Subject: HW:Angel Pub
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.102109.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here is a link for the angel pub...sounds like my kind of  place, though perhaps a
bit out of the way?  Unless there is another pub closer to the also called the
Angel Pub...hmmmm....

Angel Pub: http://www.britannia.com/travel/london/cockney/angel.html

Tube Map: http://www.afn.org/~alplatt/tube.html

Arin Komins wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
> :Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
> :
> :Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them it's a sold out
> :Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
> :Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?
>
> Does anyone have the address for the Angel pub?
>
> :And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?
>
> Don't know yet.  I'm still arranging details on that.
>
> Arin
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> Web Systems Administrator
> University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> ------------------------------------------------------------------


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Tue Dec 26 11:28:32 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:28:32 -0000
Subject: HW:Angel Pub
In-Reply-To: <3A48C575.2B38E1A7@petronet.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.162832.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

No no no, that's nowhere near!!  St Giles High Street!!

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Tom Clark
> Sent: 26 December 2000 16:21
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: Re: HW:Angel Pub
>
>
> Here is a link for the angel pub...sounds like my kind of  place,
> though perhaps a
> bit out of the way?  Unless there is another pub closer to the
> also called the
> Angel Pub...hmmmm....
>
> Angel Pub: http://www.britannia.com/travel/london/cockney/angel.html
>
> Tube Map: http://www.afn.org/~alplatt/tube.html
>
> Arin Komins wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
> >
> > :Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
> > :
> > :Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them
> it's a sold out
> > :Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
> > :Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?
> >
> > Does anyone have the address for the Angel pub?
> >
> > :And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?
> >
> > Don't know yet.  I'm still arranging details on that.
> >
> > Arin
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> > Web Systems Administrator
> > University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Tue Dec 26 11:28:20 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:28:20 -0600
Subject: HW:Angel Pub
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.102820.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here is an another Angel Pub, which seems to be the one:

Address: 61 ST Giles High Street, WC2
0171 240 2876
Nearest tube: Tottenham Court Road (Central
or Northern) (Added: 28-Aug-1998)


Tom Clark wrote:

> Here is a link for the angel pub...sounds like my kind of  place, though perhaps a
> bit out of the way?  Unless there is another pub closer to the also called the
> Angel Pub...hmmmm....
>
> Angel Pub: http://www.britannia.com/travel/london/cockney/angel.html
>
> Tube Map: http://www.afn.org/~alplatt/tube.html
>
> Arin Komins wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
> >
> > :Subject: HW:SOLD OUT !!!
> > :
> > :Well just been to the Total Rock website and according to them it's a sold out
> > :Glad have my ticket already.Tomorrow arranging a Eurostar.
> > :Where's that Angel pub,whe'll meet?
> >
> > Does anyone have the address for the Angel pub?
> >
> > :And Arin,how much do we have to contribute for that after party?
> >
> > Don't know yet.  I'm still arranging details on that.
> >
> > Arin
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Arin Komins                            akomins at midway.uchicago.edu
> > Web Systems Administrator
> > University of Chicago/NSIT                      tel: (773)834-4087
> > 1155 E. 60th St. #302B Chicago, IL 60637        fax: (773)702-0559
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Tue Dec 26 11:34:26 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:34:26 -0500
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
In-Reply-To: <200012261244.NAA10806@mail.home.ins.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.113426.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bernhard Pospiech wrote:

=> At 11:46 26.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
=>
=> >What a horrible pimple on an excellent holiday!
=> Thats true!!
=>
=> >perhaps we should all also mail our thoughts to them on this matter
=> A very good idea
=> Do you have the address to get in touch with the e-bay folks ?

Generally, e-mail safeharbor at ebay.com to report infringing auctions.
However, they will generally e-mail you back telling you that the
copyright holder needs to request to have the item removed.  If Hawkwind
object to people selling boots of their material on eBay, they need to
register with eBay through the programme they have for fast-track
removal of infringing auctions.

The notable exception to this is if the seller breaches eBay's written
listing policies.  For example, eBay will not let you sell audio CD-Rs
on eBay, even if you are the copyright holder.  So, if the seller
mentions CD-R in the item description, you can get eBay to yank the
auction because it directly violates their acceptable items policy.

I have to say, $13 for three CD-Rs is not bad at all.  Not like some of
the crazy auctions you see for bootleg concerts.

On the Gov't Mule list, one way people have undermined bootleggers
selling on eBay is to e-mail the bidders during the auction and offer to
B&P the show for them.  Also, somewhat humourously, Phil Walden, Jr.,
almost as a hobby, would bid high amounts on Capricorn promo CDs (you
know, the ones clearly stamped "NOT FOR SALE"), and then wait eagerly to
see if the seller dared to try and collect on his winning bid. :-)

I guess if people traded Hawkwind shows more freely, there wouldn't be
such a market for bootleggers.  But, people seem to hoard Hawkwind
shows, at least compared to other bands I collect.  Maybe they don't
want the good music to get spread around (for some unknown reason).

Cheers,

Paul.

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Tue Dec 26 11:44:20 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:44:20 -0600
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.104420.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Thanks, Filip!  Look forward to seeing you there, as well as a few
others I met
at Brixton.

As for record shopping, cool..will definitely check it out,  though I
hope I
have money left after record and T-shirt shopping at the gig.  Is the
Mountain
Grill what inspired the album title, or is it co-incidence?

T-minus 4 days and counting!!!



Filip Vanhuyse wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Clark <tclark at PETRONET.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: HW: london
>
> > Likewise...I'm arriving the morning of the show and will be departing on
> the
> > 3rd.
> > Gotta be some festivities somewhere around London worth checking out for
> New
> > Years' Eve.  Someone once mentioned that the Camden area is a pretty cool
> > area to check out as far as pubs go...
>
> Not only for pubs,you can do some mayor recordshopping over there too.
> You should go there on saturday or sunday and take the tube to:CAMDEN LOCK
> Go right after leaving the tubestation and look around.
> Also there are nice shops at Hanway Street,Berwick Street and at Notting
> Hill (near Portobello)
> At Notting Hill you should check out "Music Exchange"(especially upstairs)
> When being there you can go to The Mountain Grill.
> If you need more info,e-mail me or maybe we'll meet at the concert.(I'm
> staying in the hotel where the Hawks are)
>
> best wishes
> filip hawknut


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 26 12:53:17 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:53:17 EST
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.125317.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/26/00 11:35:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes:

> The notable exception to this is if the seller breaches eBay's written
>  listing policies.  For example, eBay will not let you sell audio CD-Rs
>  on eBay, even if you are the copyright holder.  So, if the seller
>  mentions CD-R in the item description, you can get eBay to yank the
>  auction because it directly violates their acceptable items policy.

actually, ebay does allow copyright holder to sell their own cdr's as stated
in their policies:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------
eBay Policy on Music on CD-R:
As a matter of eBay policy, music on CD-R (including CD-RW) may not be listed
on eBay, unless the seller is the copyright owner and states this in the item
description. This policy also means that even lawful authorized music
recordings on CD-R are not permitted on eBay. This following situation
illustrates how this might arise.
Example: An local band decides to release its latest album on CD-R. The band
sells the album on CD-R on eBay to Katie. This is permissible because the
band is the copyright owner of the music. Katie now wants to resell the music
on CD-R on eBay. The music on CD-R is "lawful music," but Katie (or anyone
other than the band) is not permitted to list this item on eBay.
----------------------------------------------------------------

poor Katie, she can't  re-sell the damn thing!
Bob


From Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK  Tue Dec 26 15:06:06 2000
From: Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK (J D)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 20:06:06 -0000
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.200606.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi,
I'm not remotely interested in getting these CDs, BUT will someone please
tell me what B&P means?
Jez

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mather <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bernhard Pospiech wrote:
>
> => At 11:46 26.12.2000 +0000, you wrote:
> =>
> => >What a horrible pimple on an excellent holiday!
> => Thats true!!
> =>
> => >perhaps we should all also mail our thoughts to them on this matter
> => A very good idea
> => Do you have the address to get in touch with the e-bay folks ?
>
> Generally, e-mail safeharbor at ebay.com to report infringing auctions.
> However, they will generally e-mail you back telling you that the
> copyright holder needs to request to have the item removed.  If Hawkwind
> object to people selling boots of their material on eBay, they need to
> register with eBay through the programme they have for fast-track
> removal of infringing auctions.
>
> The notable exception to this is if the seller breaches eBay's written
> listing policies.  For example, eBay will not let you sell audio CD-Rs
> on eBay, even if you are the copyright holder.  So, if the seller
> mentions CD-R in the item description, you can get eBay to yank the
> auction because it directly violates their acceptable items policy.
>
> I have to say, $13 for three CD-Rs is not bad at all.  Not like some of
> the crazy auctions you see for bootleg concerts.
>
> On the Gov't Mule list, one way people have undermined bootleggers
> selling on eBay is to e-mail the bidders during the auction and offer to
> B&P the show for them.  Also, somewhat humourously, Phil Walden, Jr.,
> almost as a hobby, would bid high amounts on Capricorn promo CDs (you
> know, the ones clearly stamped "NOT FOR SALE"), and then wait eagerly to
> see if the seller dared to try and collect on his winning bid. :-)
>
> I guess if people traded Hawkwind shows more freely, there wouldn't be
> such a market for bootleggers.  But, people seem to hoard Hawkwind
> shows, at least compared to other bands I collect.  Maybe they don't
> want the good music to get spread around (for some unknown reason).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
>
> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
>  deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
>         --- Frank Vincent Zappa
>


From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Tue Dec 26 18:05:58 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:05:58 -0500
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.180558.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "J D" <Jeremy at DACOMBE.FSNET.CO.UK>

> I'm not remotely interested in getting these CDs, BUT will someone please
> tell me what B&P means?

   Blank(s) plus Postage

Jerry


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Tue Dec 26 21:20:36 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:50:36 +1030
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.125036.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I won't be buying it!!!

Mb
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 9:11 PM
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> Hi folks
>
> Shit happens!!!!
>
> This guy:
>
> reebank at hotmail.com
>
> is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
E-BAY
>
> Here is his description:
> This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
setlist.
>
>
>
> WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
>
>
> Does anyone here know who this guy is???
>
> I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
>
>
> Bernhard


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Tue Dec 26 23:37:04 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:37:04 -0500
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
In-Reply-To: <d1.5893a5.277a350d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.233704.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bob Lennon wrote:

=> actually, ebay does allow copyright holder to sell their own cdr's as stated
=> in their policies:

My mistake.  Maybe they changed their policy, because for some reason I
had this recollection when I first looked over a year ago they had a
blanket ban on CD-Rs.

So, I guess the trick is to make sure to SAY you are Hawkwind when
selling bootleg CD-Rs on eBay. :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

NP: Little Feat, 9/28/2000

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From tclark at PETRONET.NET  Tue Dec 26 23:56:52 2000
From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:56:52 -0600
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.225652.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Me neither!

The idea that the Hawkestra concert appeared on E-bay makes me wanna puke,
quite honestly.   Too bad wasn't for the  spirit of exchange and furtherance
of the appreciation of Hawkwind music.  Was there ever the thought frome these
people that  the band might appreciate a piece of the action.  Did they
appoach Hawkwind to get their blessings  Probably  not.   Capitalism at it's
worst and most disgusting.   And the idea that the one who recorded it
probably doesn't give two shits about Hawkwind makes it worse.

blah blah blah...







Michael Blackman wrote:

> I won't be buying it!!!
>
> Mb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 9:11 PM
> Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
>
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Shit happens!!!!
> >
> > This guy:
> >
> > reebank at hotmail.com
> >
> > is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
> E-BAY
> >
> > Here is his description:
> > This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> > great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
> setlist.
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
> >
> >
> > Does anyone here know who this guy is???
> >
> > I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
> >
> >
> > Bernhard


From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM  Wed Dec 27 00:39:44 2000
From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:39:44 -0600
Subject: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.2000.233944.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I had tried my best to copy the "Theta Orionis" for anybody that wanted it a
few months back, but I only got about 4 takers.  I was doing it free (no
money required for postage), just asking for a blank cdr to use for copying.

I think the best way to avoid seeing bootlegs on ebay is for all Hawkwind
fans to network in a much better way, and form a group that freely
distributes all bootlegged material.  It's not a good idea to pirate
official releases, but if diehard fans want these bootlegs, then why not
provide them in a way that profits nobody?  I believe at the time when I
offered to copy Theta for all & sundry I suggested that if they ever meet
Dave Brock or get an address, they should send him $5 (minimum).

I'm really tempted to bid on the Hawkestra cdr set myself, as I've been
trying to find this since the concert happened.  But why try to make money
off the band you love?  If you really love Hawkwind, then why can't you see
that Dave & company should be reaping the dividends off this type of item?
The Spaceship cannot continue to fly as long as others are earning filthy
lucre and diverting the rightful profits elsewhere.

Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well organized
bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very stringent trading
rules.  I think it's time Hawkwind fans created their own, as well.  There's
a number of people with whom I've traded that will probably agree, and at
least one I know has tried to set up trees and chains in the past, with
limited success.

I think with our connections we should be able to "one-up" these other
bands, and set up a great structure whereby if a diehard fan really wants
some bootleg recording, then they can get it.  I'm willing to put all of my
Hawkwind bootlegs (I've got a few available, but not as many as I'd like) up
for free dispersal.  If you want a non-legitimate release that I've got,
then it's yours for the asking.  Just send me a blank, and I'll even cover
return postage myself.  (Or if you've got a boot to trade, that's great,
too.)

And if anybody is willing to give me an address that will reach Dave Brock
guaranteed (or a paypal account), then I'll even figure out some way to send
royalties each time, too.  (There must be some way to work this.)

I've had all the Hawkwind offiical releases (except the passport cd) in
various formats, and I'd never have sold any of them if some hadn't offered
ridiculous exorbitant amounts, but when they get rereleased I'll buy them
again.  I'm not talking about legitimate releases, but certainly bootlegs
contribute to the "fanatical" aspect of being a fan...

Just my 2 cents...

Bryan Young
Saskatchewan, Canada






----- Original Message -----
From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
To: <BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:41 AM
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> Hi folks
>
> Shit happens!!!!
>
> This guy:
>
> reebank at hotmail.com
>
> is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
E-BAY
>
> Here is his description:
> This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
setlist.
>
>
>
> WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
>
>
> Does anyone here know who this guy is???
>
> I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
>
>
> Bernhard


From Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET  Wed Dec 27 03:50:13 2000
From: Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET (Dan Witt)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:50:13 -0600
Subject: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.025013.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> trying to find this since the concert happened.  But why try to make money
> off the band you love?  If you really love Hawkwind, then why can't you
see
> that Dave & company should be reaping the dividends off this type of item?
> The Spaceship cannot continue to fly as long as others are earning filthy
> lucre and diverting the rightful profits elsewhere.
>


hmm, well if and when the band releases this I think many people will buy
it, regardless if they have a cdr of it.  For right now HW aren't being
ripped off of anything.  I haven't looked at this ebay auction, but I bet
the guy isn't making squat.  What's his time worth to copy three cds package
them up and mail them?  Unless it's going for $30.00 he's just spinning his
wheels.  I agree though he has no right to sell it  Maybe some gung ho
person on the list can email the people bidding on the cdr and offer them
free copies?

I would think somebody on the list here has this show, it would've been nice
if someone put up some mp3's of it, at the very least.


From pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Wed Dec 27 05:31:12 2000
From: pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK (peter wibrew)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:31:12 -0000
Subject: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.103112.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here, here, to all that Bryan, sorry to everyone about the 'high horse'
yesterday but I really do believe people should not make any cash WHATSOEVER
from CDR bootlegs, regardless of whether or not they recorded it, even for
burning it, If I burn a 70 min CD at 2x, I don't sit at my computer for 35
mins, I have a life, and go and do something while my CD's are burning, do
you want to pay me for doing my washing up?. Thought not......DO NOT PAY FOR
CDR BOOTLEGS there are plenty of decent people out there willing to share
their music, just ask, what can they say?.no?.. I found most people to be
very decent, which is probably why I feel the way I do.
I do think a tree stucture would be a good Idea dosn't even have to be
limited to hawkshows, the current tree on erpnotes is carrying Ozric and
Shakti shows.
before I go , I did mail e-bay yesterday and got a standard reply ( pasted
below ).
Enjoy the rest of your hols. looking forward to Friday

Peter


Hello Peter,

Thanks for your email!

We have reviewed the auction you have brought to our attention and taken
appropriate action.  We would also like to explain eBay's policy with
respect to reports like yours.  eBay is not in a position to make
judgments about the authenticity or authorized nature of auction items,
except in the most extreme circumstances.  This may mean that we cannot
remove the item about which you contacted us.  In some cases, we refer
the information to the owner of the rights (copyright, trademark, etc.)
involved, if we know who they are and how to contact them.

Although you may be extremely knowledgeable about these types of items,
we often cannot remove items upon the representations of third parties
whose credentials we cannot verify, unless of course the alleged
infringement is obvious on its face.  That is why we strongly urge you
to notify the rights holder of the suspected infringement and encourage
them to join our Verified Rights Owners (VeRO) Program (formerly called
Legal Buddy Program).  This program enables them to request the ending
of allegedly infringing auctions.

We appreciate your vigilance in helping us to keep inappropriate
auctions off eBay.  If you have any further questions, please feel free
to write.

Regards,

Marvin
eBay Community Watch Team
______________________________


----- Original Message -----
From: BL Young <blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> I had tried my best to copy the "Theta Orionis" for anybody that wanted it
a
> few months back, but I only got about 4 takers.  I was doing it free (no
> money required for postage), just asking for a blank cdr to use for
copying.
>
> I think the best way to avoid seeing bootlegs on ebay is for all Hawkwind
> fans to network in a much better way, and form a group that freely
> distributes all bootlegged material.  It's not a good idea to pirate
> official releases, but if diehard fans want these bootlegs, then why not
> provide them in a way that profits nobody?  I believe at the time when I
> offered to copy Theta for all & sundry I suggested that if they ever meet
> Dave Brock or get an address, they should send him $5 (minimum).
>
> I'm really tempted to bid on the Hawkestra cdr set myself, as I've been
> trying to find this since the concert happened.  But why try to make money
> off the band you love?  If you really love Hawkwind, then why can't you
see
> that Dave & company should be reaping the dividends off this type of item?
> The Spaceship cannot continue to fly as long as others are earning filthy
> lucre and diverting the rightful profits elsewhere.
>
> Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well organized
> bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very stringent trading
> rules.  I think it's time Hawkwind fans created their own, as well.
There's
> a number of people with whom I've traded that will probably agree, and at
> least one I know has tried to set up trees and chains in the past, with
> limited success.
>
> I think with our connections we should be able to "one-up" these other
> bands, and set up a great structure whereby if a diehard fan really wants
> some bootleg recording, then they can get it.  I'm willing to put all of
my
> Hawkwind bootlegs (I've got a few available, but not as many as I'd like)
up
> for free dispersal.  If you want a non-legitimate release that I've got,
> then it's yours for the asking.  Just send me a blank, and I'll even cover
> return postage myself.  (Or if you've got a boot to trade, that's great,
> too.)
>
> And if anybody is willing to give me an address that will reach Dave Brock
> guaranteed (or a paypal account), then I'll even figure out some way to
send
> royalties each time, too.  (There must be some way to work this.)
>
> I've had all the Hawkwind offiical releases (except the passport cd) in
> various formats, and I'd never have sold any of them if some hadn't
offered
> ridiculous exorbitant amounts, but when they get rereleased I'll buy them
> again.  I'm not talking about legitimate releases, but certainly bootlegs
> contribute to the "fanatical" aspect of being a fan...
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Bryan Young
> Saskatchewan, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernhard Pospiech <bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE>
> To: <BOC-L at listserv.spc.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:41 AM
> Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
>
>
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Shit happens!!!!
> >
> > This guy:
> >
> > reebank at hotmail.com
> >
> > is selling for 12,99 US$ a triple bootleg CD-R from the HAWKESTRA gig at
> E-BAY
> >
> > Here is his description:
> > This is a great live cd of this show.If you were there, this willmake a
> > great souveneer,if not,still great listening.This cd has no art or
> setlist.
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT A BIG SHAME!!!!
> >
> >
> > Does anyone here know who this guy is???
> >
> > I have noticed that 2 bidders have already bought this set
> >
> >
> > Bernhard


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Wed Dec 27 07:47:24 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:17:24 +1030
Subject: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.231724.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I believe Mission Control will have mp3's mppegs etcetera, once they finish
copyrighting and protecting the items, in the very near future
In't that right Rik??
:)
Mb

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Witt <Lwitt1 at QWEST.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Look at E-Bay :-(((


> > trying to find this since the concert happened.  But why try to make
money
> > off the band you love?  If you really love Hawkwind, then why can't you
> see
> > that Dave & company should be reaping the dividends off this type of
item?
> > The Spaceship cannot continue to fly as long as others are earning
filthy
> > lucre and diverting the rightful profits elsewhere.
> >
>
>
> hmm, well if and when the band releases this I think many people will buy
> it, regardless if they have a cdr of it.  For right now HW aren't being
> ripped off of anything.  I haven't looked at this ebay auction, but I bet
> the guy isn't making squat.  What's his time worth to copy three cds
package
> them up and mail them?  Unless it's going for $30.00 he's just spinning
his
> wheels.  I agree though he has no right to sell it  Maybe some gung ho
> person on the list can email the people bidding on the cdr and offer them
> free copies?
>
> I would think somebody on the list here has this show, it would've been
nice
> if someone put up some mp3's of it, at the very least.
>


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Wed Dec 27 06:04:12 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:04:12 +0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
In-Reply-To: <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.110412.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
<kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
>Wet, wet and more wet.

It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
--
Jon


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Wed Dec 27 10:45:50 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:45:50 -0000
Subject: an ozrics question
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.154550.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hi everybody,
Sorry to ask this question on this ng but i know some of you out there are
ozric fans too. Today i just got hold of "spice doubt" by the ozrics for
4.99 at HMV. The downside is that the liquid in the plastic package has
leaked all over it. But the cd itself is fine. I just wanted to know Is this
cd rare?

Oh yeah see you all at the astoria.

cheers

colm


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Wed Dec 27 10:49:18 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:49:18 -0000
Subject: HW: a question for Dave Brock
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.154918.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

i a happy chappie this xmas, i got warrior on cd , getting astounding sounds
soon too. Then i'll have all the seventies hawkwind albums on cd.

Well chuffed to say the least.

colm


-----Original Message-----
From: Alissa <coral at APORT.RU>
To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Date: 26 December 2000 14:43
Subject: HW: a question for Dave Brock


>Hello!
>I wonder why the great live BBC In Concert December '88 never was
officially
>released and is there any chance of future release of it?
>
>Also will the classic and maybe the best album ever Warrior On The Edge Of
>Time be re-realesed again?
>
>And maybe there are any live recordings from the Warrior tour which also
can
>be released?
>
>best regards,
>Alissa
>


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Wed Dec 27 11:50:22 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:50:22 -0500
Subject: Getting better organised
In-Reply-To: <001901c06fc7$6bdd1580$1273a58e@pavilion>
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.115022.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, BL Young wrote:

=> I think the best way to avoid seeing bootlegs on ebay is for all Hawkwind
=> fans to network in a much better way, and form a group that freely
=> distributes all bootlegged material.  It's not a good idea to pirate

=> Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well organized
=> bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very stringent trading
=> rules.  I think it's time Hawkwind fans created their own, as well.  There's
=> a number of people with whom I've traded that will probably agree, and at
=> least one I know has tried to set up trees and chains in the past, with
=> limited success.
=>
=> I think with our connections we should be able to "one-up" these other
=> bands, and set up a great structure whereby if a diehard fan really wants
=> some bootleg recording, then they can get it.  I'm willing to put all of my
=> Hawkwind bootlegs (I've got a few available, but not as many as I'd like) up
=> for free dispersal.  If you want a non-legitimate release that I've got,
=> then it's yours for the asking.  Just send me a blank, and I'll even cover
=> return postage myself.  (Or if you've got a boot to trade, that's great,
=> too.)

The Zeppelin Digital tree has the concept of a "downloading" leaf and
branch, in addition to the regular snail mail leaves and branches.  The
Hawkwind fans on this list are spread across the globe, and so
downloading branches would save a lot of time and postage for
distributing seeds between countries.

The old timers probably know I have had up a couple of bootleg BOC and
Hawkwind albums for FTP in MPEG format at one time or another.  I am
willing to act as a FTP seed point for BOC or Hawkwind bootlegs in
high-quality SHN format.  We all heard folks bragging about their fast
cable connections on here just recently, :-) so I know there are
high-speed download points that can act as snail mail top-level
branches, assuming those folks show willing.  That may be a big
assumption.  The spirit of giving back does not seem so strong on this
list as on others to which I am subscribed (where B&P/trade offers flow
freely).

Like Bryan says, its a matter of getting organised and being willing
not to hoard material.  I have offered up the few bootlegs I have as
seeds for trees in the past, but I don't have much material.

Sorry for the rant.  I guess it's the egg nog talking... ;-)

Cheers,

Paul.

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Wed Dec 27 11:02:58 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:02:58 EDT
Subject: Getting better organised
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.30.0012271134140.1452-100000@hawkwind.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.120258.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> => Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well
> organized => bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very
> stringent trading => rules.

I'm shocked to know this, given Page [a.k.a. Led Wallet]'s
litigiousness and general business acumen.  You'd think he'd have
shut it down by now...

theo


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed Dec 27 12:08:50 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:08:50 -0600
Subject: HW: arrived
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.110850.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folks,

Well, I arrived this morning (way too early).
Eric S. is here, although I've found him yet.

Hotel caveats -- small, and there are stairs.  Those
of you with heavy luggage be careful (there is a lift,
but there are still a few stairs that may need to be
navigated.)

I fixed the spelling errors for everyone (I think. Any errors
left are mine.)

Re: meeting space.  We've got the Surrey Room in the hotel from
11pm-4am.  I'm arranging for tv & video (bring things to watch, please!)
and hopefully for a cd player and audio equipment, although the
hotel isn't sure that they can get it for me.  (so bring cds too ;-) )

They are going to be leaving the hotel bar (just down the lobby
from the meeting room) open for us, so that should take care of
refreshment ;-)

Cost -- well, far too much, as I expected.  Any and all chipping
in is gratefully (very, very gratefully) appreciated!

For those arriving on the 29th, I think that you should be able
to check in early (prenoon, if necessary).

I tried to arrange for late check out on the 30th (for those leaving
then), but they need the rooms....so alas, but noon was the latest I could
manage.

Other hotel caveats -- it seems a bit old (an older hotel converted
to a Quality Hotel at a later date), but still serviceable.  The
conference facilities are a bit prehistoric, but hopefully they'll do.

I'm not unhappy with it (given price), but please forgive me if it isn't
up to snuff :-(, since I hadn't an opportunity to visit first.

(and stop by and wave hi!)

Arin
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From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Wed Dec 27 12:10:33 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:10:33 +0100
Subject: HW: london
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.181033.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

The Mountain Grill is still there.
It's the restaurant (?!?) you can see on the inner sleeve of the album.
It's on Portobello Road near the tunnel of the train/tube? above.
You have to come from Notting Hill tube station and it's just before the
tunnel above you.
It's the restaurant(?!?) the Hawks used to eat before they were famous(?!?)
;-)).
It still has the original owner,but he isn't intersted if you talk about
Hawkwind????

Anyway it's an artifact to visit,as Portobello is nice to visit on
saturdays.

best wishes
filip hawknut


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Clark <tclark at PETRONET.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: HW: london


> Thanks, Filip!  Look forward to seeing you there, as well as a few
> others I met
> at Brixton.
>
> As for record shopping, cool..will definitely check it out,  though I
> hope I
> have money left after record and T-shirt shopping at the gig.  Is the
> Mountain
> Grill what inspired the album title, or is it co-incidence?
>
> T-minus 4 days and counting!!!
>
>
>
> Filip Vanhuyse wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Clark <tclark at PETRONET.NET>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: HW: london
> >
> > > Likewise...I'm arriving the morning of the show and will be departing
on
> > the
> > > 3rd.
> > > Gotta be some festivities somewhere around London worth checking out
for
> > New
> > > Years' Eve.  Someone once mentioned that the Camden area is a pretty
cool
> > > area to check out as far as pubs go...
> >
> > Not only for pubs,you can do some mayor recordshopping over there too.
> > You should go there on saturday or sunday and take the tube to:CAMDEN
LOCK
> > Go right after leaving the tubestation and look around.
> > Also there are nice shops at Hanway Street,Berwick Street and at Notting
> > Hill (near Portobello)
> > At Notting Hill you should check out "Music Exchange"(especially
upstairs)
> > When being there you can go to The Mountain Grill.
> > If you need more info,e-mail me or maybe we'll meet at the concert.(I'm
> > staying in the hotel where the Hawks are)
> >
> > best wishes
> > filip hawknut


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Wed Dec 27 14:01:19 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:01:19 +1300
Subject: an ozrics question
In-Reply-To: <013b01c0701c$17e431c0$5a73883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.080119.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Colm the Ozrics "Spice Doubt" was supposedly limited to 4,500 copies
worldwide. How true this fact is I can't verify.

Regards

Richard
Cranium Music
www.cranium.co.nz
www.cranium-music.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On
> Behalf Of bedroom trancer
> Sent: Thursday, 28 December 2000 4:46 a.m.
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU
> Subject: an ozrics question
>
>
> hi everybody,
> Sorry to ask this question on this ng but i know some of you out there are
> ozric fans too. Today i just got hold of "spice doubt" by the ozrics for
> 4.99 at HMV. The downside is that the liquid in the plastic package has
> leaked all over it. But the cd itself is fine. I just wanted to
> know Is this
> cd rare?
>
> Oh yeah see you all at the astoria.
>
> cheers
>
> colm


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Wed Dec 27 15:32:08 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:32:08 -0000
Subject: after party party
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.203208.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

is this now going to be in a club or a hotel? whats the offocial line from
the hawkwind camp?
and is there any chance of people who aint coming from abroad of who aint
taking part in the fancy dress comp of getting into this after party party.
I mean i would come in fancy dress but i don't fancy wearing it for the
whole duration of the day and wandering round oxford street in it when you
are on a pass out from the gig.

colm


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Wed Dec 27 16:16:17 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:16:17 EST
Subject: HW: Look at E-Bay :-(((
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.161617.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I think the only time a seller of boots or cdr's are unsafe on ebay is when
the band or their legal representatives contact ebay.
otherwise, it's open to everyone
bob

In a message dated 12/26/00 11:38:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes:

> On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, Bob Lennon wrote:
>
>  => actually, ebay does allow copyright holder to sell their own cdr's as
> stated
>  => in their policies:
>
>  My mistake.  Maybe they changed their policy, because for some reason I
>  had this recollection when I first looked over a year ago they had a
>  blanket ban on CD-Rs.
>
>  So, I guess the trick is to make sure to SAY you are Hawkwind when
>  selling bootleg CD-Rs on eBay. :-)
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Paul.


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Wed Dec 27 17:10:28 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:10:28 -0500
Subject: Getting better organised
In-Reply-To: <200012271703.MAA25664@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.2000.171028.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:

=> > => Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well
=> > organized => bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very
=> > stringent trading => rules.
=>
=> I'm shocked to know this, given Page [a.k.a. Led Wallet]'s
=> litigiousness and general business acumen.  You'd think he'd have
=> shut it down by now...

I thought that was Peter Grant.  But, to clarify somewhat, Zeppelin
Digital is in no way sanctioned by Led Zeppelin.  (Not like the ol' Mule
Trane tree [RIP], whose seeds often came from the band [hint, hint,
Hawkwind and BOC :-)]...)

Cheers,

Paul.

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Wed Dec 27 19:02:04 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:02:04 +0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
In-Reply-To: <qvM1sCAsycS6EwHL@comics.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.000204.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> >Wet, wet and more wet.
>
>It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
>--
>Jon
And getting colder....
ChrisW


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Wed Dec 27 19:04:53 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:34:53 +1030
Subject: HW: a question for Dave Brock
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.103453.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

what was the question?

:)

----- Original Message -----
From: bedroom trancer <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: HW: a question for Dave Brock


> i a happy chappie this xmas, i got warrior on cd , getting astounding
sounds
> soon too. Then i'll have all the seventies hawkwind albums on cd.
>
> Well chuffed to say the least.
>
> colm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alissa <coral at APORT.RU>
> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Date: 26 December 2000 14:43
> Subject: HW: a question for Dave Brock
>
>
> >Hello!
> >I wonder why the great live BBC In Concert December '88 never was
> officially
> >released and is there any chance of future release of it?
> >
> >Also will the classic and maybe the best album ever Warrior On The Edge
Of
> >Time be re-realesed again?
> >
> >And maybe there are any live recordings from the Warrior tour which also
> can
> >be released?
> >
> >best regards,
> >Alissa
> >


From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Wed Dec 27 19:12:15 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:12:15 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.001215.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Yep.  That too.

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Warburton <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
> ><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> > >Wet, wet and more wet.
> >
> >It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
> >--
> >Jon
> And getting colder....
> ChrisW


From pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Thu Dec 28 04:25:10 2000
From: pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK (peter wibrew)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:25:10 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.092510.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

and don't forget your snow shoes

peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Perry <kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> Yep.  That too.
>
> ---
> Kevin Perry
> Sonic Energy Authority
> http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
>
> "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> duties."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Warburton <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
>
>
> > At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > >In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
> > ><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> > > >Wet, wet and more wet.
> > >
> > >It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
> > >--
> > >Jon
> > And getting colder....
> > ChrisW


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Dec 28 06:28:39 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:28:39 -0600
Subject: after party party
In-Reply-To: <001601c07044$176ed380$ac75883e@bedroomt>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.052839.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, bedroom trancer wrote:

:Subject: after party party
:
:is this now going to be in a club or a hotel? whats the offocial line from
:the hawkwind camp?
:and is there any chance of people who aint coming from abroad of who aint
:taking part in the fancy dress comp of getting into this after party party.
:I mean i would come in fancy dress but i don't fancy wearing it for the
:whole duration of the day and wandering round oxford street in it when you
:are on a pass out from the gig.

Colm,

Well, there are two parties.  The first one is the one the band is doing.

The post party party is happening in the surrey room at the quality
hotel westminster, where many of us are staying, midnight to 4am,
roughly and no fancy dress required.

Arin
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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Dec 28 06:41:40 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 05:41:40 -0600
Subject: HW: post party party
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.054140.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folks,

Yet another update.... The hotel informs me of a few things:

1) They don't have a cd player available.  So if you've got one that you
can bring....bring it,please ;-)

(cds too, of course.)

2) Due to weird licensing restrictions, the hotel bar is only open for
those folks staying in the hotel.  So grab one of us
staying at the hotel and give us money for drinks, when you want them. ;-)
(though discreetly, please.)

If you bring in your own booze, do it discreetly, since the hotel
duty manager that I was speaking to didn't know if that broke licensing
requirements.

Address reminder:

Post party party is being held at the Surrey Room, Quality Hotel
Westminster (formerly the Eccleston Hotel).  Address is 82-83 Eccleston
Square.

Thanks!

Arin
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From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Thu Dec 28 07:23:58 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:23:58 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.122358.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

What was it I heard?  Blizzards in Kent this morning!  I woke up (late :-))
to snow outside (east London).  But it's lovely and sunny now even if it is
freezing still.

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: peter wibrew <pwibrew13 at CABLEINET.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> and don't forget your snow shoes
>
> peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Perry <kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET>
> To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
>
>
> > Yep.  That too.
> >
> > ---
> > Kevin Perry
> > Sonic Energy Authority
> > http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
> >
> > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
> > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
> > duties."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Warburton <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
> > To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
> >
> >
> > > At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
> > > ><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> > > > >Wet, wet and more wet.
> > > >
> > > >It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
> > > >--
> > > >Jon
> > > And getting colder....
> > > ChrisW


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Thu Dec 28 07:36:21 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:36:21 EDT
Subject: Getting better organised
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.30.0012271707420.1633-100000@hawkwind.Chelsea-Ct.Org>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.083621.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 27 Dec 00, at 17:10, Paul Mather wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Ted Jackson jr. wrote:
>
> => > => Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well
> => > organized => bootleg trees with very high quality standards and
> very => > stringent trading => rules. => => I'm shocked to know this,
> given Page [a.k.a. Led Wallet]'s => litigiousness and general business
> acumen.  You'd think he'd have => shut it down by now...
>
> I thought that was Peter Grant.  But, to clarify somewhat, Zeppelin
> Digital is in no way sanctioned by Led Zeppelin.  (Not like the ol'
> Mule Trane tree [RIP], whose seeds often came from the band [hint,
> hint, Hawkwind and BOC :-)]...)
>

No denying that Grant was a savvy manager, but Page is no piker
either.  My favorite Page story:  He was selling a bunch of speaker
cabinets, and had his roady swap the speakers inside, which were in
good shape, with ones they had toured with and beaten hell out of!
This from a guy worth millions at that time!

theo


From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM  Thu Dec 28 12:53:46 2000
From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:53:46 -0500
Subject: HW: StarNation CD
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.125346.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just received the Star Nation CD in the mail. Listening to it now.
Freaking Amazing.

Thanks Andy.

And of course thanks Richard and Jerry (and Steve) for making it!!

more later.


From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Dec 28 13:21:42 2000
From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juba N)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:21:42 -0000
Subject: Getting better organised
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.182142.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

My favorite Page story is when he and Plant bought a Christmas present for
the entire road crew : one bottle of Champagne.
Talk about Led Wallet!!!

Juba

>No denying that Grant was a savvy manager, but Page is no piker
>either.  My favorite Page story:  He was selling a bunch of speaker
>cabinets, and had his roady swap the speakers inside, which were in
>good shape, with ones they had toured with and beaten hell out of!
>This from a guy worth millions at that time!
>
>theo

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From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Dec 28 13:27:54 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:27:54 -0600
Subject: HW: Astoria stuff
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.122754.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hey folks,

Does anyone know if Michael Blackman is coming?  He'd
requested a room from yesterday, but he hasn't shown up yet.

Michael -- if you are out there -- please get ahold of the hotel
ASAP (phone (44) 2078348042) to cancel or confirm.

If you've not gotten back to them soon, I'm going to cancel your
reservation, since I'm being socked with the fee for it :-(

If you show up after all, let me know, as I've got a twin
so you can share with me if a room is unavailable.

For everyone else who is coming -- please, please, if you have
to cancel, please call the hotel and do so.  I don't want to be
hit with any more fees :-(

Thanks,

Arin
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From rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM  Thu Dec 28 14:04:53 2000
From: rich.warren at BTINTERNET.COM (Rich Warren)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:04:53 -0000
Subject: HW: Travel
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.190453.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Rang to findout what was happening with the trains, It Turns out my Train is
leaving 40 minutes early? If its running because the flaming points are
frozen :-(

Anyone else travelling by Train?


Rich


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec 28 14:22:16 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:22:16 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.192216.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

and the friggin' snow's falling in shovel-loads up here - bloody Bing
Crosby!!!
Andy Garibaldi (east Scotland - wishing he was in Barcelona)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Warburton" <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
> ><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> > >Wet, wet and more wet.
> >
> >It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
> >--
> >Jon
> And getting colder....
> ChrisW


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu Dec 28 14:28:32 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:28:32 -0000
Subject: Getting better organised
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.192832.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ah but does the egg nog make more sense?
The spirit of giving on the tape front is never easy when you know you are
sitting on something that no-one else has - unfortunately or fortunately, I
don't as such - at least not where live stuff is concerned - the trouble is
that the 'official' stuff I have, I'd get lynched for doing such a thing by
those that matter, so I'm out from the start.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mather" <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 4:50 PM
Subject: Getting better organised


> On Tue, 26 Dec 2000, BL Young wrote:
>
> => I think the best way to avoid seeing bootlegs on ebay is for all
Hawkwind
> => fans to network in a much better way, and form a group that freely
> => distributes all bootlegged material.  It's not a good idea to pirate
>
> => Other bands (such as Zeppelin & Deep Purple) have really well organized
> => bootleg trees with very high quality standards and very stringent
trading
> => rules.  I think it's time Hawkwind fans created their own, as well.
There's
> => a number of people with whom I've traded that will probably agree, and
at
> => least one I know has tried to set up trees and chains in the past, with
> => limited success.
> =>
> => I think with our connections we should be able to "one-up" these other
> => bands, and set up a great structure whereby if a diehard fan really
wants
> => some bootleg recording, then they can get it.  I'm willing to put all
of my
> => Hawkwind bootlegs (I've got a few available, but not as many as I'd
like) up
> => for free dispersal.  If you want a non-legitimate release that I've
got,
> => then it's yours for the asking.  Just send me a blank, and I'll even
cover
> => return postage myself.  (Or if you've got a boot to trade, that's
great,
> => too.)
>
> The Zeppelin Digital tree has the concept of a "downloading" leaf and
> branch, in addition to the regular snail mail leaves and branches.  The
> Hawkwind fans on this list are spread across the globe, and so
> downloading branches would save a lot of time and postage for
> distributing seeds between countries.
>
> The old timers probably know I have had up a couple of bootleg BOC and
> Hawkwind albums for FTP in MPEG format at one time or another.  I am
> willing to act as a FTP seed point for BOC or Hawkwind bootlegs in
> high-quality SHN format.  We all heard folks bragging about their fast
> cable connections on here just recently, :-) so I know there are
> high-speed download points that can act as snail mail top-level
> branches, assuming those folks show willing.  That may be a big
> assumption.  The spirit of giving back does not seem so strong on this
> list as on others to which I am subscribed (where B&P/trade offers flow
> freely).
>
> Like Bryan says, its a matter of getting organised and being willing
> not to hoard material.  I have offered up the few bootlegs I have as
> seeds for trees in the past, but I don't have much material.
>
> Sorry for the rant.  I guess it's the egg nog talking... ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
>
> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
>  deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
>         --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Thu Dec 28 14:10:33 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:10:33 -0500
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.141033.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Folks...

Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy plenty
of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.  Cause
I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a single
one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about the
live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and Metallica
for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).  And
a-ha...c'mon, how the hell did they resurface?!  No way!  George Michael?
He's out of jail?  :)

Man, something's happened in the last two years, 'cause I'm totally out of
it I guess.  But then I have bought zillions of discs by all sorts of very
modern groups in the 'post-rock' and avant-garde genres, some of which are
even 'hip' to the college alternative crowd.  Not enough I guess, 'cause
none of them are here.

I bet that I have at least *one* of the top 100 from any other year from
1968 up to the mid-90s at least.  Anyway, is there *anybody* here who bought
any of this rubbish?  Perhaps I'm not the only one, and popular music has
truly reached a nadir.

Grakkl (FAA)

1.Santana, "Supernatural"
2.Britney Spears, "Oops! ... I Did It Again"
3.Eminem, "The Marshall Mathers LP"
4.Corrs, "In Blue"
5.Moby, "Play"
6.Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Californication"
7.Bon Jovi, "Crush"
8.Celine Dion, "All The Way - A Decade Of Song"
9.Madonna, "Music"
10.Macy Gray, "On How Life Is"
11.Whitney Houston, "The Greatest Hits"
12.Craig David, "Born To Do It"
13.U2, "All That You Can't Leave Behind"
14.Shania Twain, "Come On Over"
15.Anastacia, "Not That Kind"
16.Vengaboys, "The Platinum"
17.'N Sync, "No Strings Attached"
18.Mark Knopfler, "Sailing To Philadelphia"
19.B. B. King & Eric Clapton, "Riding With The King"
20.Lenny Kravitz, "Greatest Hits"
21.Tom Jones, "Reload"
22.Limp Bizkit, "Chocolate Starfish And The Hotdog Flavored Water"
23.Ronan Keating, "Ronan"
24.Original Soundtrack, "Mission: Impossible 2"
25.Beatles, "1"
26.Robbie Williams, "Sing When You're Winning"
27.Aqua, "Aquarius"
28.Metallica, "S&M"
29.Sting, "Brand New Day"
30.Westlife, "Westlife"
31.Enrique Iglesias, "Enrique"
32.AC/DC, "Stiff Upper Lip"
33.Dr. Dre," Dr. Dre -- 2001"
34.Melanie C, "Northern Star"
35.Radiohead, "Kid A"
36.David Gray, "White Ladder"
37.Toni Braxton, "The Heat"
38.Britney Spears, "... Baby One More Time"
39.Creed, "Human Clay"
40.Barry White, "The Ultimate Collection"
41.Backstreet Boys, "Black And Blue"
42.Savage Garden, "Affirmation"
43.Cher, "The Greatest Hits"
44.Blink 182, "Enema Of The State"
45.Coldplay, "Parachutes"
46.Texas, "The Greatest Hits"
47.Destiny's Child, "The Writing's On The Wall"
48.Olsen Brothers, "Wings Of Love"
49.Pearl Jam, "Binaural"
50.Him, "Razorblade Romance"
51.Smashing Pumpkins, "Machina/The Machines Of God"
52.Era, "Era II"
53.Alanis Morissette, "Unplugged"
54.Corrs, "MTV Unplugged"
55.Iron Maiden, "Brave New World"
56.Eros Ramazzotti, "Stilelibero"
57.Backstreet Boys, "Millennium"
58.Christina Aguilera, "Christina Aguilera"
59.Sade, "Lovers Rock"
60.Oasis, "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants"
61.Enigma, "The Screen Behind The Mirror"
62.Travis, "The Man Who"
63.a-ha, "Minor Earth, Major Sky"
64.Eiffel 65, "Europop"
65.George Michael, "Songs From The Last Century"
66.Julio Iglesias, "Noche De Cuatro Lunas"
67.Ricky Martin, "Sound Loaded"
68.Pink Floyd, "Is There Anybody Out There? -- Live"
69.Enya, "A Day Without Rain"
70.Matchbox Twenty, "Season By Matchbox Twenty"
71.Cypress Hill, "Skull And Bones"
72.Andrea Bocelli, "Sacred Arias"
73.Westlife, "Coast To Coast"
74.Krezip, Nothing Less"
75.Offspring, "Conspiracy Of One"
76.Marc Anthony, "Marc Anthony"
77.Alejandro Sanz, "El Alma Al Aire"
78.Bryan Adams, "The Best Of Me"
79.Queen, "Greatest Hits III"
80.Morcheeba, "Fragments Of Freedom"
81.Natalia Oreiro," Natalia Oreiro"
82.Guano Apes, "Don't Give Me Names"
83.Nelly, "Country Grammar"
84.Sisqo, "Unleash The Dragon"
85.Spice Girls, "Forever"
86.Green Day, "Warning"
87.Kid Rock, "History Of Rock"
88.Helmut Lotti, "The Latino Classics"
89.Live," The Distance To Here"
90.Gregorian, "Masters Of Chant"
91.No Doubt, "The Return Of Saturn"
92.Original Soundtrack, "Coyote Ugly"
93.Sarah Brightman, "La Luna"
94.S Club 7, "S Club 7"
95.Laura Pausini, "Entre Tu Y Mil Mares"
96.Placebo, "Black Market Music"
97.R. Kelly, "TP-2.com"
98.All Saints, "Saints And Sinners"
99.Kylie Minogue, "Light Years"
100.Cure, "Bloodflowers"


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec 28 14:48:33 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:48:33 -0800
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.114833.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well, it's a pretty dire list indeed, but I'll admit to buying some
of them:

1.Santana, "Supernatural"
        I'm a big fan from their 1st album on. Yes it's been played to
        death on the radio, but some of the tracks that don't get airtime
        are pretty cool also.

6.Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Californication"
        California's favorite problem children, always entertaining.
        Don't judge them by the few tracks that get on the radio...

18.Mark Knopfler, "Sailing To Philadelphia"
        Beautiful guitar work, Knopfler is a real craftsman.

68.Pink Floyd, "Is There Anybody Out There? -- Live"
        Haven't bought it yet, but will - it's got to be better than
        the bootlegs...

That's all folks!

Of course, some of my favorite buys of the year wouldn't even crack a
Top 100,000 list.....



scorch


From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU  Thu Dec 28 14:50:28 2000
From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:50:28 -0500
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <200012281919.OAA27461@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.145028.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, K Henderson wrote:

=> Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
=> musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy plenty
=> of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.  Cause
=> I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a single
=> one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
=> that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
=> You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about the
=> live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and Metallica
=> for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).

=> I bet that I have at least *one* of the top 100 from any other year from
=> 1968 up to the mid-90s at least.  Anyway, is there *anybody* here who bought
=> any of this rubbish?  Perhaps I'm not the only one, and popular music has
=> truly reached a nadir.

Okay, I'll stand up and say that I bought some of this "rubbish."  I
bought the Floyd _Is There Anybody Out There?_ double album, and bought
the Beatles _1_ as a Christmas present for someone.  (It boggles the
mind how anyone can classify the Beatles as rubbish, but I guess *I'm*
the one who's out of it.)

I guess you've been living under a rock, Keith. :-)  If nothing else but
to miss the postings on BOC-L ranting about the Radiohead album in the
list.  Or to read in the media of the cool release of the *entire* 2000
Euro tour by Pearl Jam[*], which made our local paper, at least.  Also,
if you happen to catch any Saturday Night Live (I watched it for the
election skits), you'll have caught AC/DC doing "Stiff Upper Lip," and
U2 doing stuff off their new album.  I believe Iron Maiden have actually
brought Bruce Dickinson(sp?) and the original guitarist (name?) back
into the band, and have heard good things have resulted (at least by
Maiden standards).

If this is ranked by albums sold, I'm amazed Iron Maiden came in at
number 55---above the Backstreet Boys!

(I thought it was taken as a given on this list that number of albums
sold was not a reliable indicator of quality?)

Cheers,

Paul.

obBOC-L: [*] Has anyone besides me noticed the blanga section towards
the end of "Present Tense?"

e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
 deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
        --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Thu Dec 28 15:10:25 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:10:25 +1300
Subject: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <200012281919.OAA27461@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.091025.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Keith scrolling down your list of the 100 albums I counted 37 artists/titles
were I have seen advertising on TV for these bits of flotsam that mr & mrs
joe-public then buy. Now remember I live in that far off land called New
Zealand where we still haven't reached 4 million people yet and in a country
the same size as the UK and japan. So if we get this stuff advertised on TV
then I would assume that the same ads are being plastered on TV in all other
countries as well ... and that my friend is the major problem. Saturated
advertising to bring in maximum revenue and bugger the creative juices of
artistic expression. You and I and others here know there is literally a sea
of far more indepth music out there than the top 100 which has been made
through sheer "ram it down the publics throat" advertising. Again I come
back to the line from the Porcupine Tree 'Signify' CD "the brainwashed do
not know they are brainwashed'.
        That line is more relevant today than maybe at any other time in (music)
history.
        But to really sum it up I see Santana/Supernatural Blues came in at number
1. Why then does Sony need to sell this release by advertising you can be in
a draw to win some flash souped up car by buying the Cd .... clearly all is
not well in the world of tinsel and consummerism.

Regards

Richard
Cranium Music
www.cranium.co.nz
www.cranium-music.com


From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 28 15:14:26 2000
From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:14:26 EST
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.151426.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

There actually is such a thing as CQ (culture Quotient), it's like IQ but has
less to do with intelligence than culture.
Now judging by the top 100 list below, it's quite apparent that most of the
world's CQ must be locked up in the minority of individuals.
No offense to anyone on this list that may have many favs below....and this
is only a joke anyway, cause there's no such thing as a CQ....
bob

In a message dated 12/28/00 2:20:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes:

<< Hi Folks...

 Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
 musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy plenty
 of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.  Cause
 I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a single
 one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
 that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
 You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about the
 live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and Metallica
 for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).  And
 a-ha...c'mon, how the hell did they resurface?!  No way!  George Michael?
 He's out of jail?  :)

 Man, something's happened in the last two years, 'cause I'm totally out of
 it I guess.  But then I have bought zillions of discs by all sorts of very
 modern groups in the 'post-rock' and avant-garde genres, some of which are
 even 'hip' to the college alternative crowd.  Not enough I guess, 'cause
 none of them are here.

 I bet that I have at least *one* of the top 100 from any other year from
 1968 up to the mid-90s at least.  Anyway, is there *anybody* here who bought
 any of this rubbish?  Perhaps I'm not the only one, and popular music has
 truly reached a nadir.

 Grakkl (FAA)

 1.Santana, "Supernatural"
 2.Britney Spears, "Oops! ... I Did It Again"
 3.Eminem, "The Marshall Mathers LP"
 4.Corrs, "In Blue"
 5.Moby, "Play"
 6.Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Californication"
 7.Bon Jovi, "Crush"
 8.Celine Dion, "All The Way - A Decade Of Song"
 9.Madonna, "Music"
 10.Macy Gray, "On How Life Is"
 11.Whitney Houston, "The Greatest Hits"
 12.Craig David, "Born To Do It"
 13.U2, "All That You Can't Leave Behind"
 14.Shania Twain, "Come On Over"
 15.Anastacia, "Not That Kind"
 16.Vengaboys, "The Platinum"
 17.'N Sync, "No Strings Attached"
 18.Mark Knopfler, "Sailing To Philadelphia"
 19.B. B. King & Eric Clapton, "Riding With The King"
 20.Lenny Kravitz, "Greatest Hits"
 21.Tom Jones, "Reload"
 22.Limp Bizkit, "Chocolate Starfish And The Hotdog Flavored Water"
 23.Ronan Keating, "Ronan"
 24.Original Soundtrack, "Mission: Impossible 2"
 25.Beatles, "1"
 26.Robbie Williams, "Sing When You're Winning"
 27.Aqua, "Aquarius"
 28.Metallica, "S&M"
 29.Sting, "Brand New Day"
 30.Westlife, "Westlife"
 31.Enrique Iglesias, "Enrique"
 32.AC/DC, "Stiff Upper Lip"
 33.Dr. Dre," Dr. Dre -- 2001"
 34.Melanie C, "Northern Star"
 35.Radiohead, "Kid A"
 36.David Gray, "White Ladder"
 37.Toni Braxton, "The Heat"
 38.Britney Spears, "... Baby One More Time"
 39.Creed, "Human Clay"
 40.Barry White, "The Ultimate Collection"
 41.Backstreet Boys, "Black And Blue"
 42.Savage Garden, "Affirmation"
 43.Cher, "The Greatest Hits"
 44.Blink 182, "Enema Of The State"
 45.Coldplay, "Parachutes"
 46.Texas, "The Greatest Hits"
 47.Destiny's Child, "The Writing's On The Wall"
 48.Olsen Brothers, "Wings Of Love"
 49.Pearl Jam, "Binaural"
 50.Him, "Razorblade Romance"
 51.Smashing Pumpkins, "Machina/The Machines Of God"
 52.Era, "Era II"
 53.Alanis Morissette, "Unplugged"
 54.Corrs, "MTV Unplugged"
 55.Iron Maiden, "Brave New World"
 56.Eros Ramazzotti, "Stilelibero"
 57.Backstreet Boys, "Millennium"
 58.Christina Aguilera, "Christina Aguilera"
 59.Sade, "Lovers Rock"
 60.Oasis, "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants"
 61.Enigma, "The Screen Behind The Mirror"
 62.Travis, "The Man Who"
 63.a-ha, "Minor Earth, Major Sky"
 64.Eiffel 65, "Europop"
 65.George Michael, "Songs From The Last Century"
 66.Julio Iglesias, "Noche De Cuatro Lunas"
 67.Ricky Martin, "Sound Loaded"
 68.Pink Floyd, "Is There Anybody Out There? -- Live"
 69.Enya, "A Day Without Rain"
 70.Matchbox Twenty, "Season By Matchbox Twenty"
 71.Cypress Hill, "Skull And Bones"
 72.Andrea Bocelli, "Sacred Arias"
 73.Westlife, "Coast To Coast"
 74.Krezip, Nothing Less"
 75.Offspring, "Conspiracy Of One"
 76.Marc Anthony, "Marc Anthony"
 77.Alejandro Sanz, "El Alma Al Aire"
 78.Bryan Adams, "The Best Of Me"
 79.Queen, "Greatest Hits III"
 80.Morcheeba, "Fragments Of Freedom"
 81.Natalia Oreiro," Natalia Oreiro"
 82.Guano Apes, "Don't Give Me Names"
 83.Nelly, "Country Grammar"
 84.Sisqo, "Unleash The Dragon"
 85.Spice Girls, "Forever"
 86.Green Day, "Warning"
 87.Kid Rock, "History Of Rock"
 88.Helmut Lotti, "The Latino Classics"
 89.Live," The Distance To Here"
 90.Gregorian, "Masters Of Chant"
 91.No Doubt, "The Return Of Saturn"
 92.Original Soundtrack, "Coyote Ugly"
 93.Sarah Brightman, "La Luna"
 94.S Club 7, "S Club 7"
 95.Laura Pausini, "Entre Tu Y Mil Mares"
 96.Placebo, "Black Market Music"
 97.R. Kelly, "TP-2.com"
 98.All Saints, "Saints And Sinners"
 99.Kylie Minogue, "Light Years"
 100.Cure, "Bloodflowers"
  >>


From andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM  Thu Dec 28 15:27:32 2000
From: andygilham at NTLWORLD.COM (Andy Gilham)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:27:32 -0000
Subject: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <200012281919.OAA27461@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.202732.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I must be out of it too, because I didn't realise Laura Pausini even *had* a
new album out! ;)

-- Andy

www.andygilham.com


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 28 15:30:37 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:30:37 EST
Subject: OFF: Some Top 100 selling singles of 1969 [etc.]
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.153037.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

hi gang!
looking at the top 100 list was pretty distressing, to the extent i'd ever
want to listen to, much less own, much of the class of 2K.

seemed like a cue to pass this link along, just for contrast. long lists for
all of the '60s too.

<A HREF="http://www.gohotline.com/60s/1969music.asp">Hits of 1969, okay?</A>


and continuing w/the nostalgia,

<A HREF="http://www.yesterdayland.com/">Yesterdayland</A>



holiday memories pour toi!

"<>"


From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Thu Dec 28 15:22:40 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:22:40 +0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <200012281919.OAA27461@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.202240.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <200012281919.OAA27461 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, K
Henderson <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU> writes
>Hi Folks...
>
>Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
>musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy plenty
>of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.  Cause
>I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a single
>one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
>that I have never heard of.

And this troubles you ...why?

--
Nick Medford


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec 28 15:40:28 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:40:28 -0800
Subject: Blanga where you least expect it
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.124028.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

So I recently picked up Tangerine Dream's _Antique Dreams_, has a
nice lot of older unreleased and alternate tracks, good stuff for
fans of older TD.

The odd little gem here is Ultima Thule (part 1), which I had heard
rumours about as being "atypical" for TD, wow is it ever. Basically
it sounds like it could be an outtake from the Hall Of The Mountain
Grill sessions, but with a good dose of Space Ritual energy. Lovely
guitar and drums, oh my!

4 thumbs up!


scorch


From hw at CY-B.ORG  Thu Dec 28 15:44:07 2000
From: hw at CY-B.ORG (Rik Rx)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:44:07 -0500
Subject: HW:
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.154407.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just a thought 4 those coming to HawkXmas

a copy (copies) of Anthology of Cosmic Music was spotted
this week in HMV oxford st for ?7.99

this double cd has Hawkwind and Van Der
graaf Generator on cd1 (HW appears to be a varient of
space ritual 2)

and cd2 has more vdgg and Amon Duul 2 with Robert Calvert (8 tracks)

might be a good buy for Calvert Fans?

rx


From Alogilvy at AOL.COM  Thu Dec 28 15:53:55 2000
From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:53:55 EST
Subject: HW: StarNation CD
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.155355.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Just a thought...anyone know how the current starnation cd differs from the
one jim was selling at hawkestra? is there a difference in the mixes? or
artwork?


From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Thu Dec 28 16:42:42 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:42:42 +0000
Subject: HW:
In-Reply-To: <200012282044.PAA26335@listserv.spc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.214242.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <200012282044.PAA26335 at listserv.spc.edu>, Rik Rx <hw at CY-
B.ORG> writes
>Just a thought 4 those coming to HawkXmas
>
>a copy (copies) of Anthology of Cosmic Music was spotted
>this week in HMV oxford st for ?7.99
>
>this double cd has Hawkwind and Van Der
>graaf Generator on cd1 (HW appears to be a varient of
>space ritual 2)
>
>and cd2 has more vdgg and Amon Duul 2 with Robert Calvert (8 tracks)
>
>might be a good buy for Calvert Fans?

It is - I found it in the sale section at HMV for ?4.99

--
David Blair


From kkusic at EXECPC.COM  Thu Dec 28 16:43:26 2000
From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:43:26 -0600
Subject: HW: Anthology of Cosmic Music
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.154326.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

You can also find the CD here at Djanjos Music:

http://www.djangomusic.com/subcat_music.asp?id=7&dt=1&afid=KARE122500148

Yes, this link is because I'm an affiliate with them . . .

But, the price is great, only $7.19 (US Dollars) and shipping is free
through Dec 31st to US addresses.

Rock on!

Karen

Rik Rx wrote:
>
> Just a thought 4 those coming to HawkXmas
>
> a copy (copies) of Anthology of Cosmic Music was spotted
> this week in HMV oxford st for ?7.99
>
> this double cd has Hawkwind and Van Der
> graaf Generator on cd1 (HW appears to be a varient of
> space ritual 2)
>
> and cd2 has more vdgg and Amon Duul 2 with Robert Calvert (8 tracks)
>
> might be a good buy for Calvert Fans?
>
> rx

--
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
- Frank Zappa


From starfield at SUPANET.COM  Thu Dec 28 17:07:28 2000
From: starfield at SUPANET.COM (starfield)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:07:28 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.220728.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Nope, not one.

Julio Bloody Iglesias? Enya? A'Ha?????????? I

Is this a wind up?

Sounds more like a list of the top 100 artists who should be struck down by
lightning.

If they haven't already been.

Captain Bl at ck

----- Original Message -----
From: K Henderson <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:10 PM
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000


> Hi Folks...
>
> Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
> musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy
plenty
> of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.
Cause
> I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a
single
> one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
> that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
> You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about the
> live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and Metallica
> for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).  And
> a-ha...c'mon, how the hell did they resurface?!  No way!  George Michael?
> He's out of jail?  :)
>
> Man, something's happened in the last two years, 'cause I'm totally out of
> it I guess.  But then I have bought zillions of discs by all sorts of very
> modern groups in the 'post-rock' and avant-garde genres, some of which are
> even 'hip' to the college alternative crowd.  Not enough I guess, 'cause
> none of them are here.
>
> I bet that I have at least *one* of the top 100 from any other year from
> 1968 up to the mid-90s at least.  Anyway, is there *anybody* here who
bought
> any of this rubbish?  Perhaps I'm not the only one, and popular music has
> truly reached a nadir.
>
> Grakkl (FAA)
>
> 1.Santana, "Supernatural"
> 2.Britney Spears, "Oops! ... I Did It Again"
> 3.Eminem, "The Marshall Mathers LP"
> 4.Corrs, "In Blue"
> 5.Moby, "Play"
> 6.Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Californication"
> 7.Bon Jovi, "Crush"
> 8.Celine Dion, "All The Way - A Decade Of Song"
> 9.Madonna, "Music"
> 10.Macy Gray, "On How Life Is"
> 11.Whitney Houston, "The Greatest Hits"
> 12.Craig David, "Born To Do It"
> 13.U2, "All That You Can't Leave Behind"
> 14.Shania Twain, "Come On Over"
> 15.Anastacia, "Not That Kind"
> 16.Vengaboys, "The Platinum"
> 17.'N Sync, "No Strings Attached"
> 18.Mark Knopfler, "Sailing To Philadelphia"
> 19.B. B. King & Eric Clapton, "Riding With The King"
> 20.Lenny Kravitz, "Greatest Hits"
> 21.Tom Jones, "Reload"
> 22.Limp Bizkit, "Chocolate Starfish And The Hotdog Flavored Water"
> 23.Ronan Keating, "Ronan"
> 24.Original Soundtrack, "Mission: Impossible 2"
> 25.Beatles, "1"
> 26.Robbie Williams, "Sing When You're Winning"
> 27.Aqua, "Aquarius"
> 28.Metallica, "S&M"
> 29.Sting, "Brand New Day"
> 30.Westlife, "Westlife"
> 31.Enrique Iglesias, "Enrique"
> 32.AC/DC, "Stiff Upper Lip"
> 33.Dr. Dre," Dr. Dre -- 2001"
> 34.Melanie C, "Northern Star"
> 35.Radiohead, "Kid A"
> 36.David Gray, "White Ladder"
> 37.Toni Braxton, "The Heat"
> 38.Britney Spears, "... Baby One More Time"
> 39.Creed, "Human Clay"
> 40.Barry White, "The Ultimate Collection"
> 41.Backstreet Boys, "Black And Blue"
> 42.Savage Garden, "Affirmation"
> 43.Cher, "The Greatest Hits"
> 44.Blink 182, "Enema Of The State"
> 45.Coldplay, "Parachutes"
> 46.Texas, "The Greatest Hits"
> 47.Destiny's Child, "The Writing's On The Wall"
> 48.Olsen Brothers, "Wings Of Love"
> 49.Pearl Jam, "Binaural"
> 50.Him, "Razorblade Romance"
> 51.Smashing Pumpkins, "Machina/The Machines Of God"
> 52.Era, "Era II"
> 53.Alanis Morissette, "Unplugged"
> 54.Corrs, "MTV Unplugged"
> 55.Iron Maiden, "Brave New World"
> 56.Eros Ramazzotti, "Stilelibero"
> 57.Backstreet Boys, "Millennium"
> 58.Christina Aguilera, "Christina Aguilera"
> 59.Sade, "Lovers Rock"
> 60.Oasis, "Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants"
> 61.Enigma, "The Screen Behind The Mirror"
> 62.Travis, "The Man Who"
> 63.a-ha, "Minor Earth, Major Sky"
> 64.Eiffel 65, "Europop"
> 65.George Michael, "Songs From The Last Century"
> 66.Julio Iglesias, "Noche De Cuatro Lunas"
> 67.Ricky Martin, "Sound Loaded"
> 68.Pink Floyd, "Is There Anybody Out There? -- Live"
> 69.Enya, "A Day Without Rain"
> 70.Matchbox Twenty, "Season By Matchbox Twenty"
> 71.Cypress Hill, "Skull And Bones"
> 72.Andrea Bocelli, "Sacred Arias"
> 73.Westlife, "Coast To Coast"
> 74.Krezip, Nothing Less"
> 75.Offspring, "Conspiracy Of One"
> 76.Marc Anthony, "Marc Anthony"
> 77.Alejandro Sanz, "El Alma Al Aire"
> 78.Bryan Adams, "The Best Of Me"
> 79.Queen, "Greatest Hits III"
> 80.Morcheeba, "Fragments Of Freedom"
> 81.Natalia Oreiro," Natalia Oreiro"
> 82.Guano Apes, "Don't Give Me Names"
> 83.Nelly, "Country Grammar"
> 84.Sisqo, "Unleash The Dragon"
> 85.Spice Girls, "Forever"
> 86.Green Day, "Warning"
> 87.Kid Rock, "History Of Rock"
> 88.Helmut Lotti, "The Latino Classics"
> 89.Live," The Distance To Here"
> 90.Gregorian, "Masters Of Chant"
> 91.No Doubt, "The Return Of Saturn"
> 92.Original Soundtrack, "Coyote Ugly"
> 93.Sarah Brightman, "La Luna"
> 94.S Club 7, "S Club 7"
> 95.Laura Pausini, "Entre Tu Y Mil Mares"
> 96.Placebo, "Black Market Music"
> 97.R. Kelly, "TP-2.com"
> 98.All Saints, "Saints And Sinners"
> 99.Kylie Minogue, "Light Years"
> 100.Cure, "Bloodflowers"


From dahl at AROS.NET  Thu Dec 28 19:27:06 2000
From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:27:06 -0700
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.172706.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

This is the only one from this list I bought.

> 55.Iron Maiden, "Brave New World"

I just ordered the new Gamma 4.  I wonder if it will make the top 100 next
year?

Brad Dahl


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Thu Dec 28 19:27:36 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:27:36 -0800
Subject: OT: reccomendation
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.162736.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Here's one that some of you may go for, I sure did!

I recently picked up a 'sampler' disc of what was advertised as
medieval/renaissance/goth, and found quite a lot of it to be
really good, though tracking down releases from some of the
bands is proving to be difficult.

One of the ones I liked best was In Extremo, and I managed to find
their latest release, _Verehrt und Angespien_, which their website
translates as _Worshipped And Spat At_. Wow, this is some pretty
wild stuff. You get a mix of some straight renaissance stuff, and
'metallized' versions of period songs, with some originals and a
Sisters of Mercy cover thrown in. Beware, stay away if you can't
deal with bagpipes! On the majority of places where you'd expect
a guitar lead, the lead is there but played on pipes! Also, all but
the cover have the lyrics in other than English, either the original
languace of the period song, or in the band's native German.

You can get a listen at their website http://www.inextremo.com
(replace com with de if you want the German page)



scorch


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec 28 21:01:20 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:31:20 +1030
Subject: HW tshirts
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.123120.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Can someone get me an extra large Astoria Concert shirt - Preferably something with concert dates etc & I will repay the cost as well as the postage?

Sincerely Michael Blackman
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From linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK  Thu Dec 28 21:27:47 2000
From: linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK (linuxchaos)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:27:47 +0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.022747.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Greets to all!!

I'll be in the Angel (if it's open) from 1pm-3pm wearing a White Lab
coat with the In search of space logo painted on the back. (if the staff
allow).

Please say Hello!!

Have a good one

Ben Fagin


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Thu Dec 28 21:22:58 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:52:58 +1030
Subject: HW: Astoria stuff
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.125258.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I tried to call them but they won't be open for another 7 hours!

Unfortunat;ly I had been advised of false seating reservation for yesterday
^&*(&^   so I won't get there in time at all.

Arin if you incur any costs over this I will most definatly reimburse you
for the
fee!!!

And have a great time - one and all -

sobbbbb!!

Michael B
----- Original Message -----
From: Arin Komins <akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:57 AM
Subject: HW: Astoria stuff


> Hey folks,
>
> Does anyone know if Michael Blackman is coming?  He'd
> requested a room from yesterday, but he hasn't shown up yet.
>
> Michael -- if you are out there -- please get ahold of the hotel
> ASAP (phone (44) 2078348042) to cancel or confirm.
>
> If you've not gotten back to them soon, I'm going to cancel your
> reservation, since I'm being socked with the fee for it :-(
>
> If you show up after all, let me know, as I've got a twin
> so you can share with me if a room is unavailable.
>
> For everyone else who is coming -- please, please, if you have
> to cancel, please call the hotel and do so.  I don't want to be
> hit with any more fees :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arin
> --
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From jguizar at STNY.RR.COM  Thu Dec 28 22:20:11 2000
From: jguizar at STNY.RR.COM (Jerry Guizar)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:20:11 -0500
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.222011.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

From: "K Henderson" <henderson.120 at OSU.EDU>

> Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
> musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy
plenty
> of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.
Cause
> I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a
single
> one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar bands
> that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
> You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about the
> live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and Metallica
> for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).  And
> a-ha...c'mon, how the hell did they resurface?!  No way!  George Michael?

> 1.Santana, "Supernatural"
> 19.B. B. King & Eric Clapton, "Riding With The King"

   I haven't bought any of them, too busy spending money on good music :)
But, if I had, those are the only two that might have caught my eye. What
would
be interesting would be seeing a Top 100 from CDS or Cranium :)  If I can't
find at least 25 on their lists, I have some catching up to do.

Jerry


From richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ  Fri Dec 29 00:20:59 2000
From: richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ (Richard Stockwell)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:20:59 +1300
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000 (at Cranium)
In-Reply-To: <008a01c07146$432017c0$c04a1818@stny.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.182059.1300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>What would be interesting would be seeing a Top 100 from CDS or Cranium :)
> If I can't find at least 25 on their lists, I have some catching up to do.

This sounds like quite a good idea. So based on sales here were the top
selling titles at cranium for 2000. Titles on my own label have cranium in
brackets beside them and titles I distributed I have put Distro beside so
you get an accurate picture against other label titles.

1./Datura                       Visions For The Celestial (cranium)
2./Datura                       Allisone        (cranium)
3./Serotonin            Cluster         (distro)
4./Sh'mantra            Cornucopia      (cranium)
5./Terra Mystica                Carsica         (distro)
6./Porcupine Tree               Stupid Dream
7./Devil Doll           Dies Irae
8./Incredible Expanding Gospel According to ...
9./Timothy Pure         Island of Misfit Dolls
10/Porcupine Tree               Voyage 34
11/Electric Orange      Electric Orange
12/Porcupine Tree               Coma Divine
13/Zone Six                     Zone Six
14/Porcupine Tree               Up The Downstair
15/Ozric Tentacles      Waterfall Cities
16/Devil Doll           Sacrilegium
17/Tony Burt Expression The Awakening Time (distro)
18/Devil Doll           Girl Who Was Death
19/Devil Doll           Sacrilege of Fatal Arms
20/Porcupine Tree               Sunday of Life
21/Spacious Mind                Mind of a Brother
22/Devil Doll           Eliogabalus
23/Xang                 Destiny Of A Dream
24/Porcupine Tree               Signify
25/Mr Quimbys Beard     Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of ...
26/Ozric Tenatacles     Hidden Step
27/Par Lindh            Live In America
28/Aether                       Visions
29/Ozric Tentacles      Curious Corn
30/Timothy Pure         Blood of the Berry
31/Spacefarm            Live
32/Par Lindh            Gothic Impressions
33/Human Instinct               Stoned Guitar
34/Par Lindh            Mundus Incompertus
35/Morte Macabre                Symphonic Holocaust
36/Karnataka            The Storm
37/Solaris                      The Martian Chronicles
38/Captain Ilor         Mindfuck
39/Bass Communion               II
40/Ship Of Fools                Somewhere/Close Your ..
41/Forgotten Suns               Fiction Edge
42/Faust                        The Land of Ukko&Rauni
43/Brainstorm           Tales of the Future
44/Fragile                      Manifest
45/Tale                 Elysium Fields
46/Nick Magnus          Inhaling Green
47/Redshift                     Downtime
48/Ensemble Nimbus      Scapegoat
49/Anglagard            Hybris
50/Deadwood Forest      Mellodramitic
51/Bacamarte            Depois Do Fim
52/Smell of Incense     Thro' the Gates of ..
53/Swara Samrat         Truth About Suzanne
54/Ars Nova                     Book Of The Dead
55/Various                      Pick 'n' Mix
56/Nothing Booth                A Journey       (distro)
57/Hawkwind                     In Your Area
58/Nodens Ictus         Spacelines
59/Elektrum                     Live at the Opera
60/Par Lindh/Johansson  Bilbo
61/Melodic Energy Comm  Moon Phase Compendium
62/Solaris                      Nostradamus/Book of ..
63/Korai Orom           '96
64/Hands                        Hands
65/Circle                       Prospekt
66/Sebastian hardie     Four Moments
67/Liquid Sound Company Exploring The Psychedelic
68/Unlimbo                      Prahna Fish
69/Krel                 Ad Astra
70/Ars Nova                     Goddess of Darkness
71/Nolan/Wakeman                Jabberwocky
72/Flower Kings         Flower Power
73/Bass Communion               Bass Communion
74/Asia Minor           Between Flesh & Divide
75/RedShift                     Ether
76/No-man                       Wild Opera
77/Eat Static           Crash & Burn
78/Brainticket          Alchembic Universe
79/Various/Ozrics               Floating Seeds Remixed
80/Cast                 Imaginary Window
81/Par Lindh            Rondo
82/Ozric Tentacles      Arborescence
83/Mandragora           Pollen
84/Finisterre           In Ogni Luogo
85/Porcupine Tree               Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape (LP)
86/Electric Orange      Orange Commutation
87/Ozric Tentacles      Erpland (Remaster)
88/Ozric Tentacles      Pungent Efflugent (Remaster)
89/Pulsar                       Halloween
90/Human Instinct               Burning Up Years
91/Flower Kings         Scanning The Greenhouse
92/Gong                 Zero to Infinity
93/Semente                      Semente
94/Hieronymus Bosch     Hieronymus Bosch (distro)
95/Cipher                       No Ordinary Man
96/Circle                       Andexelt
97/The Virgineers               The Virgineers
98/Fit & Limo           The Serpent Unrolled
99/Uzva                 Tammela In January
100Arena                        Immortal?


Regards

Richard
Cranium Music
www.cranium.co.nz
www.cranium-music.com


From sebastian at WELTON.DE  Fri Dec 29 05:15:43 2000
From: sebastian at WELTON.DE (Sebastian Welton)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:15:43 +0100
Subject: OT: reccomendation
In-Reply-To: <200012290533.GAA13317@post.webmailer.de>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.111543.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>One of the ones I liked best was In Extremo, and I managed to find
>their latest release, _Verehrt und Angespien_, which their website

Heavily played in our local boozer and on local radio here so I'm getting
slightly fed up with it now (particularly the bagpipes.) I thought it was a
bit of a novelty record at first though.

>Does anyone know where I can get a Sam Fox calendar, I had one in the
>1980's but the pages got stuck together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     (only
>joking!).
>
>Did you know she used to pose nude? And where can I get those Pics
>again?

Try http://www.page3.com/

Cheers, and everyone have a good concert and party tonight.

Seb


From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Thu Dec 28 02:56:21 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:56:21 +0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
In-Reply-To: <001101c07062$d596a720$176aa8c0@alien8.co.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.28.DEC.2000.075621.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

And now, for your delectation... snow in abundance!!!! (In Bedfordshire anyway)

At 00:12 28/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Yep.  That too.
>
>---
>Kevin Perry
>Sonic Energy Authority
>http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/
>
>"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
>and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
>duties."
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chris Warburton <desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET>
>To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
>Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:02 AM
>Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
>
>
> > At 11:04 27/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > >In article <001501c06e00$df889720$176aa8c0 at alien8.co.uk>, Kevin Perry
> > ><kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET> writes
> > > >Wet, wet and more wet.
> > >
> > >It's not wet now, just bollock freezing!
> > >--
> > >Jon
> > And getting colder....
> > ChrisW


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 29 07:17:03 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:17:03 EDT
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
In-Reply-To: <007901c07104$ff068880$6716bc3e@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.081703.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 28 Dec 00, at 19:22, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:

> and the friggin' snow's falling in shovel-loads up here - bloody Bing
> Crosby!!! Andy Garibaldi (east Scotland - wishing he was in Barcelona)

Hey, we've had 80 inches of snow so far, and the 2 toughest months
are still coming up...

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 29 07:20:57 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:20:57 EDT
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <9.ef7d7e6.277cf922@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.082057.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 28 Dec 00, at 15:14, Bob Lennon wrote:

 In fact, there are
>  plenty of albums here by familiar bands that I have never heard of.
>  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again? You're kidding me, when
>  did that happen?

Sad to say they never went away.  Their albums consistently sell in
the millions.  Their last album [the one on the list] was a huge seller.
All the hair bands died, yet these guys flourished?  Whassup?

theo


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 29 07:25:27 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:25:27 EDT
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
In-Reply-To: <003401c0712e$15abf880$4f18adcf@ita.sel.sony.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.082527.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 28 Dec 00, at 17:27, Brad Dahl wrote:

> This is the only one from this list I bought.
>
> > 55.Iron Maiden, "Brave New World"
>
> I just ordered the new Gamma 4.  I wonder if it will make the top 100
> next year?
>
Hey, that's available?  Gotta have that.  I saw the original Gamma a
few times, way back when.  Ronnie at his best.  We met RM after a
gig and he was a great guy.  Totally intense on stage, but a decent
human being offstage.  A real treat talking to him...

theo


From chrisr at TIAC.NET  Fri Dec 29 08:37:14 2000
From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:37:14 -0500
Subject: OFF: Gamma
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.083714.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I do not know if it was ever released on CD (I have looked), but Gamma's
first album was mindblowing to me. The song "Wish I Was" was so incredible,
I can still play that lead gutar in my head even though I have not heard it
for over 15 years. To see Gamma live, that must have been truly special.
chris


"Ted Jackson jr." wrote:

>
> > I just ordered the new Gamma 4.  I wonder if it will make the top 100
> > next year?
> >
> Hey, that's available?  Gotta have that.  I saw the original Gamma a
> few times, way back when.  Ronnie at his best.  We met RM after a
> gig and he was a great guy.  Totally intense on stage, but a decent
> human being offstage.  A real treat talking to him...
>
> theo


From dahl at AROS.NET  Fri Dec 29 10:11:06 2000
From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:11:06 -0700
Subject: OFF: GAMMA
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.081106.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> > I just ordered the new Gamma 4.  I wonder if it will make the top 100
> > next year?
> >
> Hey, that's available?  Gotta have that.

You can order it from Ronnie's webpage.

www.ronnieland.com

I believe.

Yep, they were a great live act.  I was fortunate enough to see them 4
times, the first being when they warmed up for BOC!

They were much better on the later tours after recruiting Denny Carmasi and
Glenn Letsch.

Brad


From DASLUD at AOL.COM  Fri Dec 29 10:08:31 2000
From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:08:31 EST
Subject: HW: Samantha Fox for completists (Complete Tits!!)
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.100831.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In a message dated 12/28/00 9:12:39 PM, linuxchaos at NETSCAPEONLINE.CO.UK
writes:

<<
Did you know she used to pose nude? And where can I get those Pics
again?
 >>
=====
um...
she must've appeared in UK skin mags first,
but before she was a 'pop singer'
she had also appeared in yank magazines
such as high society and genesis.
[this material most likely came via the UK magazines; she didnt necessarily
call herself 'samantha fox', though, as there had been a porn star by that
name in the 70s-80s]

frontal nudity
but no 'splits'
as would be more typical for women in those magazines.

...she axually lost some weight
and firmed herself up
before the pop-singer makeover.

i suppose one would be paying collector prices for those issues these days.
==
personally, as these things go,
i'd prefer to have seen gaye advert's pictorial
before she became a bassist.

no offense, ladies

"<>"


From dahl at AROS.NET  Fri Dec 29 10:20:28 2000
From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:20:28 -0700
Subject: OFF: Gamma
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.082028.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> I do not know if it was ever released on CD (I have looked), but Gamma's
> first album was mindblowing to me. The song "Wish I Was" was so
incredible,
> I can still play that lead gutar in my head even though I have not heard
it
> for over 15 years. To see Gamma live, that must have been truly special.
> chris

I have an audio boot of them live.  I bet I could sneak the studio version
of "Wish I Was" on there as well.

Brad


From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU  Fri Dec 29 10:54:36 2000
From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:54:36 -0500
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000 (at Cranium)
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.105436.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Richard wrote...

>>What would be interesting would be seeing a Top 100 from CDS or Cranium :)
>> If I can't find at least 25 on their lists, I have some catching up to do.
>
>This sounds like quite a good idea. So based on sales here were the top
>selling titles at cranium for 2000. Titles on my own label have cranium in
>brackets beside them and titles I distributed I have put Distro beside so
>you get an accurate picture against other label titles.

Wow....an even 50.  Now that's what I call a top 100 list!  :)

Grakkl (FAA)

>1./Datura                       Visions For The Celestial (cranium)
>2./Datura                       Allisone        (cranium)
>3./Serotonin            Cluster         (distro)
>4./Sh'mantra            Cornucopia      (cranium)
>6./Porcupine Tree               Stupid Dream
>7./Devil Doll           Dies Irae
>8./Incredible Expanding Gospel According to ...
>9./Timothy Pure         Island of Misfit Dolls
>10/Porcupine Tree               Voyage 34
>12/Porcupine Tree               Coma Divine
>13/Zone Six                     Zone Six
>14/Porcupine Tree               Up The Downstair
>15/Ozric Tentacles      Waterfall Cities
>20/Porcupine Tree               Sunday of Life
>21/Spacious Mind                Mind of a Brother
>24/Porcupine Tree               Signify
>25/Mr Quimbys Beard     Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of ...
>26/Ozric Tenatacles     Hidden Step
>29/Ozric Tentacles      Curious Corn
>30/Timothy Pure         Blood of the Berry
>32/Par Lindh            Gothic Impressions
>34/Par Lindh            Mundus Incompertus
>35/Morte Macabre                Symphonic Holocaust
>37/Solaris                      The Martian Chronicles
>39/Bass Communion               II
>40/Ship Of Fools                Somewhere/Close Your ..
>42/Faust                        The Land of Ukko&Rauni
>48/Ensemble Nimbus      Scapegoat
>49/Anglagard            Hybris
>52/Smell of Incense     Thro' the Gates of ..
>55/Various                      Pick 'n' Mix
>57/Hawkwind                     In Your Area
>59/Elektrum                     Live at the Opera
>61/Melodic Energy Comm  Moon Phase Compendium
>62/Solaris                      Nostradamus/Book of ..
>63/Korai Orom           '96
>65/Circle                       Prospekt
>67/Liquid Sound Company Exploring The Psychedelic
>68/Unlimbo                      Prahna Fish
>69/Krel                 Ad Astra
>73/Bass Communion               Bass Communion
>79/Various/Ozrics               Floating Seeds Remixed
>82/Ozric Tentacles      Arborescence
>83/Mandragora           Pollen
>85/Porcupine Tree               Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape (LP)
>87/Ozric Tentacles      Erpland (Remaster)
>88/Ozric Tentacles      Pungent Efflugent (Remaster)
>92/Gong                 Zero to Infinity
>95/Cipher                       No Ordinary Man
>96/Circle                       Andexelt


From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU  Fri Dec 29 10:25:46 2000
From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:25:46 EDT
Subject: OFF: GAMMA
In-Reply-To: <008601c071a9$9240b5e0$8319adcf@ita.sel.sony.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.112546.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

On 29 Dec 00, at 8:11, Brad Dahl wrote:


> Yep, they were a great live act.  I was fortunate enough to see them 4
> times, the first being when they warmed up for BOC!
>
Wow, that was a show, eh?

> They were much better on the later tours after recruiting Denny
> Carmasi and Glenn Letsch.

I saw them twice that I'm sure of, both times right up in front of
Ronnie.  Hard to believe he's maintained such a low profile.  It would
be great if he'd tour more...

theo


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 14:01:40 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:01:40 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.190140.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ah yes - but for those of us with an EQ (ego quotient) who have nothing
better to do than such a thing, anyone who wants to know the Andy G (not
Gilham) personal faves of 2000, can go to (providing I've done it right):
http://www.andygee.dial.pipex.com/highlite.htm
and go to each of the specialist sections to catch my highlights on album of
this year - the singles list follows this weekend (late because I had
several late arrivals last weekend!!)
.......may not be the best sellers but it's what I call 'back in the real
world', so there......
Have fun - thoughts welcome.
Andy Garibaldi
P.S. Before anyone asks, yes, they are all available from CDS. That's how I
find them!!!!



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Lennon" <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000


> There actually is such a thing as CQ (culture Quotient), it's like IQ but
has
> less to do with intelligence than culture.
> Now judging by the top 100 list below, it's quite apparent that most of
the
> world's CQ must be locked up in the minority of individuals.
> No offense to anyone on this list that may have many favs below....and
this
> is only a joke anyway, cause there's no such thing as a CQ....
> bob


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 14:04:00 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:04:00 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.190400.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hell's teeth - for the first time that I can remember, I thought they all
sucked so much, I didn't buy a single one of 'em - things are looking up all
the time.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Lennon" <Hawkwinder at AOL.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000


> There actually is such a thing as CQ (culture Quotient), it's like IQ but
has
> less to do with intelligence than culture.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 14:05:54 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:05:54 -0000
Subject: OFF: Gamma
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.190554.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

No - or if it did, it's deleted now. The only thing I can get is a 'best of'
but I'd have to go elsewhere for a tracklist!!!
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Raymond" <chrisr at TIAC.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Gamma


> I do not know if it was ever released on CD (I have looked), but Gamma's
> first album was mindblowing to me. The song "Wish I Was" was so
incredible,
> I can still play that lead gutar in my head even though I have not heard
it
> for over 15 years. To see Gamma live, that must have been truly special.
> chris


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 14:16:49 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:16:49 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.191649.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Ah yes - but all thsoe bands (except Radiohead) made far, far better albums
than that and I do regard, even as a part-time fan, the AC/DC, Maiden and
Floyd as all pretty well 'non-essential' items, musically - should be
interesting hearing the new Waters-masquerading-as-Pink Floyd album when I
get around to it.
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mather" <paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000


> On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, K Henderson wrote:
>
> => Christ!  Is it *this* bad?  I've always told people who insist that my
> => musical tastes are just weird-'cause-I-like-to-be-weird that I do buy
plenty
> => of highly popular stuff also.  Perhaps I just can't say that anymore.
Cause
> => I'm sure I bought about 100 new albums this year, and I didn't buy a
single
> => one of these.  In fact, there are plenty of albums here by familiar
bands
> => that I have never heard of.  Like Bon Jovi.  He's really popular again?
> => You're kidding me, when did that happen?  And I didn't even know about
the
> => live Floyd album!  Or Iron Maiden (they still exist?), or U2 and
Metallica
> => for chrissakes!  AC/DC too.  And Pearl Jam (they still exist?).
>
> => I bet that I have at least *one* of the top 100 from any other year
from
> => 1968 up to the mid-90s at least.  Anyway, is there *anybody* here who
bought
> => any of this rubbish?  Perhaps I'm not the only one, and popular music
has
> => truly reached a nadir.
>
> Okay, I'll stand up and say that I bought some of this "rubbish."  I
> bought the Floyd _Is There Anybody Out There?_ double album, and bought
> the Beatles _1_ as a Christmas present for someone.  (It boggles the
> mind how anyone can classify the Beatles as rubbish, but I guess *I'm*
> the one who's out of it.)
>
> I guess you've been living under a rock, Keith. :-)  If nothing else but
> to miss the postings on BOC-L ranting about the Radiohead album in the
> list.  Or to read in the media of the cool release of the *entire* 2000
> Euro tour by Pearl Jam[*], which made our local paper, at least.  Also,
> if you happen to catch any Saturday Night Live (I watched it for the
> election skits), you'll have caught AC/DC doing "Stiff Upper Lip," and
> U2 doing stuff off their new album.  I believe Iron Maiden have actually
> brought Bruce Dickinson(sp?) and the original guitarist (name?) back
> into the band, and have heard good things have resulted (at least by
> Maiden standards).
>
> If this is ranked by albums sold, I'm amazed Iron Maiden came in at
> number 55---above the Backstreet Boys!
>
> (I thought it was taken as a given on this list that number of albums
> sold was not a reliable indicator of quality?)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
> obBOC-L: [*] Has anyone besides me noticed the blanga section towards
> the end of "Present Tense?"
>
> e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu
>
> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
>  deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
>         --- Frank Vincent Zappa


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 17:15:58 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:15:58 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000 (at Cranium)
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.221558.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

A top 100 of CDS is possible to do - in fact we can do a top 100 sellers in
every category if we wanted. However,
Dave's got all that expertise and he's back at the office so the personal
things on my website will have to do for now, although I'll see if he wants
to do a top 20 best sellers or similar for the space-rock/psych genre, when
I return to work on Wednesday.
For now, listed below are the items from Richard's chart that we too have
sold well this year, so that's a kind of double seal of approval that means
you really should try it out!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Stockwell" <richard at CRANIUM.CO.NZ>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000 (at Cranium)


>
> 6./Porcupine Tree               Stupid Dream
> 10/Porcupine Tree               Voyage 34
 12/Porcupine Tree               Coma Divine
> 14/Porcupine Tree               Up The Downstair
> 15/Ozric Tentacles      Waterfall Cities (we did better with Swirly
termination and even better with Hidden Step)
> 23/Xang                 Destiny Of A Dream
> 24/Porcupine Tree               Signify
> 25/Mr Quimbys Beard     Definitive Unsolved Mysteries of ...
> 26/Ozric Tenatacles     Hidden Step
> 36/Karnataka            The Storm
> 39/Bass Communion               II
> 46/Nick Magnus          Inhaling Green
> 47/Redshift                     Downtime
> 50/Deadwood Forest      Mellodramitic
> 57/Hawkwind                     In Your Area
> 58/Nodens Ictus         Spacelines
> 61/Melodic Energy Comm  Moon Phase Compendium
> 69/Krel                 Ad Astra
> 71/Nolan/Wakeman                Jabberwocky
> 72/Flower Kings         Flower Power
> 75/RedShift                     Ether
> 77/Eat Static           Crash & Burn
> 80/Cast                 Imaginary Window
> 88/Ozric Tentacles      Pungent Efflugent (Remaster)
> 92/Gong                 Zero to Infinity
> 95/Cipher                       No Ordinary Man
> 100Arena                        Immortal?


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 17:17:27 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:17:27 -0000
Subject: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.221727.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

'some like it hot'
- de-da-de-da
as the song goes.......
Andy Gariabaldi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Coming from Arizona, where Phoenix is fried up!


> On 28 Dec 00, at 19:22, ANDREW GARIBALDI wrote:
>
> > and the friggin' snow's falling in shovel-loads up here - bloody Bing
> > Crosby!!! Andy Garibaldi (east Scotland - wishing he was in Barcelona)
>
> Hey, we've had 80 inches of snow so far, and the 2 toughest months
> are still coming up...
>
> theo


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Fri Dec 29 17:18:33 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:18:33 -0000
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.221833.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

yeh- but he doesn't answer his e.mails (not to CDS anyway)!!!!!
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Jackson jr." <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000


> On 28 Dec 00, at 17:27, Brad Dahl wrote:
>
> Hey, that's available?  Gotta have that.  I saw the original Gamma a
> few times, way back when.  Ronnie at his best.  We met RM after a
> gig and he was a great guy.  Totally intense on stage, but a decent
> human being offstage.  A real treat talking to him...
>
> theo


From scorch at TE-CATS.COM  Fri Dec 29 17:31:01 2000
From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:31:01 -0800
Subject: OFF: Top 100 selling albums of 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.143101.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

> should be interesting hearing the new Waters-masquerading-as-Pink Floyd
> album when I get around to it.


Heard it the other day, ugh. The stuff he originally sang is ok, except
the guitar work is just not right, and Roger singing Dave's parts is
just horrible...


scorch


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Fri Dec 29 18:48:05 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:48:05 -0000
Subject: astoria - xmas gig
Message-ID: <FRI.29.DEC.2000.234805.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

bloody brilliant night, shame it took a while for passport holders to get
in, i had to join three different queues before it got sorted out (memories
of brixton seem to come to mind here?), highlight of the night for me was
hawkwind playing flying doctor and also buying the atomhenge, spacebrock and
starfield cds  (cheers captain black for signing it for me too), downside of
the night was not getting invited to the after show party, maybe next time?
Hope u guys and girls that get to go have a great time.

over and out

colm

oh yeah the free cd from voiceprint will be the original miss-pressed
spacebrock


From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM  Fri Dec 29 19:16:34 2000
From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:16:34 +0000
Subject: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*
In-Reply-To: <00a401c071e5$727825e0$206445c2@s8d3c4>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.001634.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well it's not often I get a first at something,but here goes.......

I've just arrived back at my studio after witnessing one of the best gigs
HW have done over recent years. In fact...this was the fully polished
version of what the Hawkestra  @ Brixton probably should have been
(although Lemmy,Nik Turner,Dikmik etc were not present at the Astoria).
Don't get me wrong........Brixton was a night I'll never forget, but I
think Dave Brock took on board some of his own misgivings & fans criticisms
of some elements of Brixton,......and assembled a show that was well
organised allowing ample contributions by special guests....BUT.....BEST OF
ALL........THE SOUND!!!!!
The sound was great...clear and well balanced. I could actually clearly
hear everone that was playing on stage at any given time. Full marks to the
engineers whoever they were!
The whole show was obviously being recorded and I can't wait to get the album!

The surprise of the night for me was hearing what Hawkwind sounds like with
a saxophonist/flute player who can REALLY PLAY.........(sorry nik).
Didn't catch the guys name though.

DOWNERS?
The support acts..............Spacehead (pretty dire)
                          Spiral Realms(Simon House 2 piece).......absolute
shite (sorry simon)
                          Tim Blake.......50/50

This is a very short & sharp review, but I look forward to the more
detailed assessments from those on this list who are better at it than me.

Thanks to Dave,Kris and the crew once again!

melvyn.


From Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK  Fri Dec 29 23:07:20 2000
From: Tigger at PUDDYTAT.FSNET.CO.UK (Tigger)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:07:20 +0000
Subject: HW: Quality control? (Lack of?)
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.040720.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I treated myself to a bunch of the Weird CDs, after seeing the blurb on
the Voiceprint website about how they'd been enhanced... I was very,
very disappointed, as I have all the original tapes and I can't detect
any difference. The actual tracks from the tapes seem to have been
transferred straight to CD without *any* enhancement at all. With no EQ,
it's dull, lifeless material that with a press of a single button on an
(150 quid) Aphex aural exciter magically comes to life. I can actually
hear the solos, the cymbals, and the wonderful Korg Minikorg 700 the way
it *really* sounds.

What beats me is why the (IMHO) greatest band this side of the Horsehead
nebula release sub-standard material, when it's so easy to improve. I
got the Glastonbury 90 CD, full price, and felt rather ripped off - it
should have had a label on saying 'this is the worst quality bootleg
you'll ever hear'. Having heard it, I don't know if I'll ever play it
again, the quality is so bad.

Even with a basic (Ish - Spirit folio rac pac) mixer and EQ and exciter
I can get the Weird tapes sounding *much* more like they should - I'll
end up remixing them and listening to the reworked versions instead - so
why can't a band with their own studio put even a small effort into
improving the 'collectors' series?  Sure, given the source material on
some of them it's not possible to get perfect recordings, but they can
be improved dramatically, which shouldn't be a problem for a band with
(IIRC) their own studio.... if it's a question of time, I'd be happy to
do it for free.
--
David Blair


From colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET  Fri Dec 29 23:27:05 2000
From: colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET (bedroom trancer)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:27:05 -0000
Subject: [Hawkwind] Disapproval
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.042705.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

lee said:


>
>However the voices calling out insults to Ron Tree did mar an
>otherwise great night. It reminds me of the cries of indignation
>against Bridget Wisehart. I never got to see her live, but the video
>with her is very enjoyable.

its the 2nd time now that i have seen ron tree perform with the band and i
thought he did a good job specially on "flying doctor" and "spirit of the
age". Maybe people should leave ron alone and have ago at capain rizz, god
he was awful!!!! why was he there? I mean anyone could have got up on stage
and danced badly and say "bo!!!" repeatedly like he did.

>Off the soap box now, I was particularly impressed the that the lady
>at the passport desk knew my name just from the number, but there
>must be hundreds of people like you and me!


yeah that happened to me too! Was nice though for her to say to me: "oh so
your colm then!!", took me back a bit though! I hope she didn't think i was
rude but i didn't expect her to know me!!! Was a nice touch though.

cheers

colm


From mel at MVA.U-NET.COM  Sat Dec 30 05:16:35 2000
From: mel at MVA.U-NET.COM (Melvyn Vincent)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:16:35 +0000
Subject: HW: Quality control? (Lack of?)
In-Reply-To: <SPk57TA49VT6Ew7m@puddytat.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.101635.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

It does baffle me how the band have been quick to complain about the likes
of Dave Anderson and various other dubious record companies releasing
sub-standard dissonant material from Hawkwinds past,when lately they seem
to be jumping on the same bandwagon themselves.
Maybe they decided to take a 'can't beat 'em, join 'em' attitude.
I bought the collector series '79 complete', and was also surprised at how
'raw' the recording was.
I've always enjoyed the 'raw' quality of live recordings but I don't expect
to be paying also for the 'wow & flutter and hiss' of the tape recording as
part of the package. There are some real magic moments on 79 complete but I
really felt with the technology available in the average recording studio
that the whole thing could have been audibly tidied and smoothed out a bit.
The result is....I am now very wary of forking out for any more of the
Hawkwind 'Archive' material on the voiceprint label. I'll be more inclined
to wait a while and pay a little more for what comes out on the EMI Premier
Label......(whenever that will be). You can at least guarantee that your
paying for a properly engineered quality product.

If your reading this Kris,Dave and the band......please take note. Let the
rip-off merchants rip-off,because what goes round does eventually come
round. I've been following HW and very happy to spend my money on your
material for the past 28 years. I'd like to think that I am merely one of
thousands of reasons why the band are still a force today.

melvyn


From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 06:59:59 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:59:59 -0000
Subject: HW: New Sax player
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.115959.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Oh christ, at last - who is it? 
I always wondered what the band would sound like with VDGG's Dave Jackson on sax.

Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 07:01:32 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:01:32 -0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
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I wasn't there, unfortunately. What was the line-up and set list.

Dave
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From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 07:15:07 2000
From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:15:07 -0000
Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.121507.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

I read, with some amusement, in Classic Rock that Nik is playing with his "Hawkwind Isle Of Wight 1970 Reunion Band" in Liverpool. First point that should be "..... without Dave Brock". Second, give me a modern Hawkwind to a second rate covers outfit anyday...this must surely piss off Dave Brock - maybe that's the point. Has Nik written anything of note since the first ICU LP (both it and Xitintoday are superb) - that doesn't rely on cobbling old HW tunes together. Nik is a nice guy - however, he seems to trade off this "Nik the soul of Hawkwind" thing but when it comes to HW participation the descriptor "chancer" may be more appropriate. 

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From nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 08:42:54 2000
From: nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK (Nick Medford)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:42:54 +0000
Subject: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b672d3172f99@[195.102.200.9]>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.134254.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In message <l03102800b672d3172f99@[195.102.200.9]>, Melvyn Vincent
<mel at MVA.U-NET.COM> writes
>Well it's not often I get a first at something,but here goes.......
>
>I've just arrived back at my studio after witnessing one of the best gigs
>HW have done over recent years. In fact...this was the fully polished
>version of what the Hawkestra  @ Brixton probably should have been
>(although Lemmy,Nik Turner,Dikmik etc were not present at the Astoria).
>Don't get me wrong........Brixton was a night I'll never forget, but I
>think Dave Brock took on board some of his own misgivings & fans criticisms
>of some elements of Brixton,......and assembled a show that was well
>organised allowing ample contributions by special guests....BUT.....BEST OF
>ALL........THE SOUND!!!!!
>The sound was great...clear and well balanced. I could actually clearly
>hear everone that was playing on stage at any given time. Full marks to the
>engineers whoever they were!
>The whole show was obviously being recorded and I can't wait to get the album!
>
>The surprise of the night for me was hearing what Hawkwind sounds like with
>a saxophonist/flute player who can REALLY PLAY.........(sorry nik).
>Didn't catch the guys name though.

Yup, I'd go along with all that. The sax player was brilliant- 'Angels Of
Death' was given a whole new lease of life, and his snakecharmer-style
clarinet during Hassan/Palestine finally gave that section the extra
dimension it's lacked before. Dave did say his name but I missed it.
>
>DOWNERS?
>The support acts

Have to agree, you must've missed Morphonic who played unremarkable
trance-techno, too light and frothy to be really compelling. Spacehead:  I
didn't enjoy them, leave it at that, don't want to upset their friends and
admirers on the list. Simon House was a big disappointment (although he
briefly took off on the 'Damnation Alley' section).

Tim Blake I actually enjoyed, much to my surprise as I've never liked his
solo stuff, but he played one long digi-dub piece ('Tribulation' or something
like that) that blew me away. Rest of the set was variable but overall good
enough to sustain interest.

But why, why have 4 support acts when at the end of the night the Hawks
run out of time and we don't get an encore?? Anyone know what they would
have played? I saw Ron down at the front explaining the situation to some
fans but couldn't catch what he was saying. Not having an encore was
strange- no cathartic release, made me realise how ritualistic gigs are
(especially Hawkwind gigs)- it just felt incomplete and wrong.

None of which alters the fact that this was a bloody brilliant performance:
don't think I've ever seen the band so loud, heavy and intense. Everyone
played a blinder- how often can one say that? Particular highlights:

Damage Of Life: yeesss! Finally I hear one of my favourite Brock songs live.
Absolutely superb, hypnotic rhythm throughout, great electronics on the
closing section.

Flying Doctor: never really liked this track before but it blows the roof off
live. Brilliant vocals from Ron. I have gradually come to like Ron's presence
more and more and last night confirmed his worth to the band IMO.

Sonic Attack: With Mike Moorcock reciting it down the phone from Texas
it came together extraordinarily well. The disembodied screeching sounded
truly eerie. This track can go either way live, but this was unquestionably
the best I've ever heard it. The bass throb which shook the whole building
was amazing. Sonic attack indeed.

Hurry On Sundown: What can you say? After the joy of hearing it at
Brixton, this was even better: an utterly invincible blasting blanga version,
biggest cheer of the night.

I could be wrong but I got the feeling there was less pre-programmed stuff
than of late. With both Harvey and Keith on hand, Dave played more
guitar and the whole thing had a more live sound. Once again one has to
acknowledge the all-conquering Davey/Chadwick rhythm section: don't let
Alan slip away again Dave! He's too valuable!

And finally...

While I was standing at the food hatch waiting to be served, a bloke asked
me to pass the salt. I did so, he poured it over his chips and then walked
off. Only then did I realise I had in fact passed him the sugar. If you're out
there, my apologies!

--
Nick Medford


From cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 12:04:30 2000
From: cerberus at AVON666.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Cerberus)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:04:30 -0000
Subject: ASTORIA PARTY
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.170430.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

What a great bunch of people Hawkwind are!!  After finally being able to meet them at the after gig party we can honestly say they are some of the nicest people on the planet.  We would like to thank Kris for the work she put into organising things, Dave for the kind words of encouragement about our artwork, the photo opportunity and autographs and Huw and his wife for taking time out to chat with us - and the Hawkwind Christmas cake was yummy, thanks Ron for sharing it with us.  The laminates are gorgeous, and they will be treasured souvenirs of a brilliant night.

As for the concert itself, well you couldn't ask for much better.  As usual Hawkwind delivered the goods, and tracks like Damage of Life, and Flying Doctor were a real treat when played live.   

The whole atmosphere of the Astoria was that of a free festival, okay, it did take a while to get in, which was no thanks to the neanderthalic intellectually challenged doormen, but hey, it was worth it.

To those who were unable to make the gig, gotta tell you people, you really missed something extraordinary.  To the people that we met up with, Bernhard, Eli, Paula and Kevin, it was great to see you all again and we hope to meet up  the next time the Hawkwind machine is rolling.

Also managed to pick up all the Weird Tapes, Space Brock, a couple of Huw's albums and some other treasures we have yet to play - we really couldn't have asked for a better night.  

So a big thank you to Hawkwind and all concerned - you are indeed the Masters of the Universe.

Gary & Anna
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From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 12:07:50 2000
From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:07:50 -0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.170750.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Dave asked:

>I wasn't there, unfortunately. What was the line-up and set list.

OK, this is my recollection of what we heard - others will, I'm sure, be
able to fill in the gaps in my hazy memory. Song order, particularly, is not
to be trusted!

Here we go:

Levitation
Hippy
Spacebrock
Space Is Deep
Flying Doctor
Warrior On The Edge Of Time (w/ Moorcock phoning home)
High Rise
Angels Of Death
Lighthouse
Damage of Life
Free Fall
Motorway City
Sonic Attack
Hurry On Sundown
Spirit Of The Age
Assassins Of Allah

Personal highlights were Space Is Deep, Hurry On Sundown, Flying Doctor &
Damage Of Life, but to be honest, there were no lowpoints. Even Angels
of Death sounded terrific w/ the added sax.

Dave, Alan, Richard & Keith were on-stage pretty much throughout. Harvey &
Simon there for most, Jerry slightly less so. Tim appeared for Lighthouse
only, Ron for Hippy & the Calvert vocals (and did a great job, I thought).
Rizz just for Assassins, thankfully. Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit
for a while &
contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it. Anyone I've
forgotten?

Previous correspondents were right about Spacehead, but I really enjoyed
Tim's set & thought Spiral Realms were OK.

For the record, I thought it was a terrific night - thanks to one & all
involved in
putting on the best HW show I've seen in years.

Cheers

Dave


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sat Dec 30 11:59:56 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:59:56 +0100
Subject: HW: New Sax player
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.175956.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

me TOO !!!
also with Nick Salamon on guitar (rememeber "acid jam 2"(Deep Space Divers))
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: david hall 
  To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:59 PM
  Subject: HW: New Sax player


  Oh christ, at last - who is it? 
  I always wondered what the band would sound like with VDGG's Dave Jackson on sax.
   
  Dave
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From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sat Dec 30 12:45:42 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:45:42 +0100
Subject: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.184542.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well you say it all,this was IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've made a negative report on the Brixton gig,but Astoria was
IIIIIIIIIIIIII  TTTTTTTTTTTTTT  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't agree with you more.

filip hawknut
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*


> In message <l03102800b672d3172f99@[195.102.200.9]>, Melvyn Vincent
> <mel at MVA.U-NET.COM> writes
> >Well it's not often I get a first at something,but here goes.......
> >
> >I've just arrived back at my studio after witnessing one of the best gigs
> >HW have done over recent years. In fact...this was the fully polished
> >version of what the Hawkestra  @ Brixton probably should have been
> >(although Lemmy,Nik Turner,Dikmik etc were not present at the Astoria).
> >Don't get me wrong........Brixton was a night I'll never forget, but I
> >think Dave Brock took on board some of his own misgivings & fans
criticisms
> >of some elements of Brixton,......and assembled a show that was well
> >organised allowing ample contributions by special guests....BUT.....BEST
OF
> >ALL........THE SOUND!!!!!
> >The sound was great...clear and well balanced. I could actually clearly
> >hear everone that was playing on stage at any given time. Full marks to
the
> >engineers whoever they were!
> >The whole show was obviously being recorded and I can't wait to get the
album!
> >
> >The surprise of the night for me was hearing what Hawkwind sounds like
with
> >a saxophonist/flute player who can REALLY PLAY.........(sorry nik).
> >Didn't catch the guys name though.
>
> Yup, I'd go along with all that. The sax player was brilliant- 'Angels Of
> Death' was given a whole new lease of life, and his snakecharmer-style
> clarinet during Hassan/Palestine finally gave that section the extra
> dimension it's lacked before. Dave did say his name but I missed it.
> >
> >DOWNERS?
> >The support acts
>
> Have to agree, you must've missed Morphonic who played unremarkable
> trance-techno, too light and frothy to be really compelling. Spacehead:  I
> didn't enjoy them, leave it at that, don't want to upset their friends and
> admirers on the list. Simon House was a big disappointment (although he
> briefly took off on the 'Damnation Alley' section).
>
> Tim Blake I actually enjoyed, much to my surprise as I've never liked his
> solo stuff, but he played one long digi-dub piece ('Tribulation' or
something
> like that) that blew me away. Rest of the set was variable but overall
good
> enough to sustain interest.
>
> But why, why have 4 support acts when at the end of the night the Hawks
> run out of time and we don't get an encore?? Anyone know what they would
> have played? I saw Ron down at the front explaining the situation to some
> fans but couldn't catch what he was saying. Not having an encore was
> strange- no cathartic release, made me realise how ritualistic gigs are
> (especially Hawkwind gigs)- it just felt incomplete and wrong.
>
> None of which alters the fact that this was a bloody brilliant
performance:
> don't think I've ever seen the band so loud, heavy and intense. Everyone
> played a blinder- how often can one say that? Particular highlights:
>
> Damage Of Life: yeesss! Finally I hear one of my favourite Brock songs
live.
> Absolutely superb, hypnotic rhythm throughout, great electronics on the
> closing section.
>
> Flying Doctor: never really liked this track before but it blows the roof
off
> live. Brilliant vocals from Ron. I have gradually come to like Ron's
presence
> more and more and last night confirmed his worth to the band IMO.
>
> Sonic Attack: With Mike Moorcock reciting it down the phone from Texas
> it came together extraordinarily well. The disembodied screeching sounded
> truly eerie. This track can go either way live, but this was
unquestionably
> the best I've ever heard it. The bass throb which shook the whole building
> was amazing. Sonic attack indeed.
>
> Hurry On Sundown: What can you say? After the joy of hearing it at
> Brixton, this was even better: an utterly invincible blasting blanga
version,
> biggest cheer of the night.
>
> I could be wrong but I got the feeling there was less pre-programmed stuff
> than of late. With both Harvey and Keith on hand, Dave played more
> guitar and the whole thing had a more live sound. Once again one has to
> acknowledge the all-conquering Davey/Chadwick rhythm section: don't let
> Alan slip away again Dave! He's too valuable!
>
> And finally...
>
> While I was standing at the food hatch waiting to be served, a bloke asked
> me to pass the salt. I did so, he poured it over his chips and then walked
> off. Only then did I realise I had in fact passed him the sugar. If you're
out
> there, my apologies!
>
> --
> Nick Medford


From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE  Sat Dec 30 13:06:20 2000
From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:06:20 +0100
Subject: HW:Astoria
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.190620.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well,what can I say?
Mr.Dave Brock has put the record straight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was so so so so so GOOD GOOD GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My head was so full I went straight to the hotel and had to lay down.
Wasn't intereseted in the after-party any more.My head was really spinning around.

Must say,MANY MANY thanks to Arin (The Real LADY),who made it happen.
Also thanks to Merrit and his lady who made me laugh throughout the day (HILARIOUS!!!!)
Also very very glad to meet at LAST:Bernhard Pospiech,Andreas Stuwe (and all the german/austriach guys),Dennis and his lady,Kevin Sommers,Adrian Parr and all those guys I couldn't really put a name onto.
Also great greetings to all those great American guys  at the hotel!!!!!!!!
Well almost forgot Eric Siegelman,hey you're a great guy.

Still have to recover,sorry.

filip hawknut

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From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE  Sat Dec 30 13:53:55 2000
From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:53:55 +0100
Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!)
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.195355.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi folks

Here is the tracklist in the right order.
The giglength was exact 115 minutes. The band did not play an encore
because the power was swiched off by the Astoria officials (You will not
believe me what the reason was.........)


A PHANTASTIC gig with a great atmospere!
Had the pleasure to meet the following fans:

- Arin Komins (THANKS FOR ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!You are GREAT!)
- Eric Siegerman
- Gary and Anna
- Filip
- Dennis and his Sister
- Age
- Mike Holmes
- Jill Strobridge

- Dave Brock and the other members of the band
- and many many more.......

I enjoyed every minute!


OK, here is now the tracklist:

intro
levitation
hippie
spacebrock
space is deep
flying doctor
warriors
angels of death
high rise
damage of life
lighthouse
sonic attac
free fall
motorway city
hurry on sundown
spirit of the age
hassan i sahba

cheers
Bernhard


From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 15:02:58 2000
From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:02:58 +0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
In-Reply-To: <01c601c07283$0e873c80$5b209dc3@merlinas>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.200258.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

>
> Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit
> for a while &
> contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it.

Does anyone know why Huw didn't play?

Jas.


From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 15:39:53 2000
From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:39:53 -0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.203953.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

My thoughts when I saw him appear near the end were that Huw would come on
for the encore, which of course didn`t happen.
He did play a accoustic set at the beginning of course(in case you missed
it).

Si

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Gool" <imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: HW: Astoria


> >
> > Huwy was lurking behind Richard's kit
> > for a while &
> > contributed percussion to SotA, but sadly (?) that was it.
>
> Does anyone know why Huw didn't play?
>
> Jas.


From sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK  Sat Dec 30 15:44:42 2000
From: sihalley at CABLEINET.CO.UK (Si Halley)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:44:42 -0000
Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!)
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.204442.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Subject: HW: Astoria setlist (right order!)


> Hi folks
>
> Here is the tracklist in the right order.
> The giglength was exact 115 minutes. The band did not play an encore
> because the power was swiched off by the Astoria officials (You will not
> believe me what the reason was.........)

Because of the Gay club that starts at 11pm? Loads of Astoria shows have the
same problem because of this club. I figured the 4pm start would avoid the
problem but many of the changeovers took so long I suppose they ran out of
time anyway. Can`t help thinking if they hadn`t had the dj`s, we`d have got
an encore!

Si


From gumby at TELIS.ORG  Sat Dec 30 16:28:45 2000
From: gumby at TELIS.ORG (Thomas Nelson)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:28:45 -0800
Subject: BOC:  Tree Set List?
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.132845.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi everybody,

I was busy cataloging some of my discs, when I noticed that I had
lost the track listing to the BOC Concert Tree discs from a few
months back.

Does anybody still have the track listings?

Thanks!

Thomas Nelson
The gumby man


"...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply
to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that
memory reinspires all the original horror."
                                        H.P. Lovecraft


From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 31 00:16:24 2000
From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:16:24 +0000
Subject: HW: Arin !!
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.051624.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Well done Arin!  Definitely a triumph.

How Arin managed to pull all that together I do not know.  Good hotel at
a ridiculously good rate and a superb after party party (My birthday)
party.  Full
marks to the genie of the lamp for the in hotel light show that must
have left the Astoria feeling silly as well.  It was definitely a great
way to wind down after the gig and the after gig do at the 12 bar.
Managing to keep everyone, including most of the band, awake relaxed and
thoroughly enjoying themselves till 4am is testament enough., I think.

Once again, it was great to put names to faces and re-establish contacts
with those already known.

I'll leave it to others to describe the gig.  Bloody good is all I'll
say and well worth the nightmare of Virgin Trains to get to (4 hours
late and not even arriving at the right city.) Good to see a longer
Simon-set and as always wonderful to watch Tim.  Even the singer at the
12 Bar was nice.  Who were the Techno-duo that opened?

Thanks again to Arin, thanks to Gill and (was it) Eric who found a
nibbles shop at god knows what time and thanks to the Band for the set
and for the after gig party and especially for being so relaxed at the
after party party !

Sorry we didn't make it to the Mountain Grill.

Dave


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat Dec 30 14:24:25 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:24:25 -0000
Subject: an ozrics question
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.192425.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Between what you and Richard mentioned, the bottom line on the 'Spice Doubt'
CD is that, techically, it is rare. We would love to get hold of a box full
at CDS.
Basically what happened was that it came out very suddenly, with no
pre-promotion and as a limited edition. Because it was a one-off deal
between the label and the band, with proceeds being shared, the distributor
was not the normal one and most outlets failed to get any because by the
time they found out about it, and who on earth was selling it, the
distributors (Telstar Leisure as they were known) had sold out, We shifted a
load, but supplies literally lasted about two weeks and then it was gone. I
recently spoke to the Ozrics camp about this and about 7500 were presed of
which  over healf went to the USA on export, and they reckon that someone
somewhere is still sitting on a whole stack of the CD's. Ironically, also,
the group have never been paid one red cent by the label for the run of 7500
that were all sold - familiar story?????
Hope that helps - anyone want to add anything?
Andy Garibaldi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bedroom trancer" <colm1 at MINISTRYOFSOUND.NET>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 3:45 PM
Subject: an ozrics question


> hi everybody,
> Sorry to ask this question on this ng but i know some of you out there are
> ozric fans too. Today i just got hold of "spice doubt" by the ozrics for
> 4.99 at HMV. The downside is that the liquid in the plastic package has
> leaked all over it. But the cd itself is fine. I just wanted to know Is
this
> cd rare?
>
> Oh yeah see you all at the astoria.
>
> cheers
>
> colm


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat Dec 30 18:10:16 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:10:16 -0000
Subject: Blanga where you least expect it
Message-ID: <SAT.30.DEC.2000.231016.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At the time, 'Ultima Thule Pts 1+2", essentially a single track, was thought
by many to have been a blatant rip from {ink Floyd's 'Saucerful Of Secrets'
and when yuo know both tracks, rip is taking it too far, but there is
certainly a lot of structural similarity.. Shame they only put part one on
the CD because the two should be together as one track. Also, why is the
version of 'Overture' on this Cd, from the Virgin label 'V' sampler, shorter
than the LP version - off thing to have done. But that's TD for you.
Andy Garibaldi.





> So I recently picked up Tangerine Dream's _Antique Dreams_, has a
> nice lot of older unreleased and alternate tracks, good stuff for
> fans of older TD.
>
> The odd little gem here is Ultima Thule (part 1), which I had heard
> rumours about as being "atypical" for TD, wow is it ever.


From michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU  Sat Dec 30 21:21:29 2000
From: michaelangelo68 at OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Michael Blackman)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:51:29 +1030
Subject: HW: so close yet so far away
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.125129.1030.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hi Hawk doods

Good to hear all the positive reports regarding Astoria gig - 

Thought I was there for sure.... but fate had other plans....

Thats okay though - I'll just save my little bundle o' money for the next Hawkwind party

Soon I hope!!!

Michael Blackman
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From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET  Sun Dec 31 07:44:08 2000
From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:44:08 -0000
Subject: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.124408.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Sugar on chips is delicious :-)

---
Kevin Perry
Sonic Energy Authority
http://www.mountaingrill.co.uk/

"It is the business of the future to be dangerous;
and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its
duties."

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Medford <nick at HERMIT0.DEMON.CO.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: HW Xmas Party @ The Astoria - *FIRST REPORT*


> In message <l03102800b672d3172f99@[195.102.200.9]>, Melvyn Vincent
> <mel at MVA.U-NET.COM> writes
> >Well it's not often I get a first at something,but here goes.......
> >
> >I've just arrived back at my studio after witnessing one of the best gigs
> >HW have done over recent years. In fact...this was the fully polished
> >version of what the Hawkestra  @ Brixton probably should have been
> >(although Lemmy,Nik Turner,Dikmik etc were not present at the Astoria).
> >Don't get me wrong........Brixton was a night I'll never forget, but I
> >think Dave Brock took on board some of his own misgivings & fans
criticisms
> >of some elements of Brixton,......and assembled a show that was well
> >organised allowing ample contributions by special guests....BUT.....BEST
OF
> >ALL........THE SOUND!!!!!
> >The sound was great...clear and well balanced. I could actually clearly
> >hear everone that was playing on stage at any given time. Full marks to
the
> >engineers whoever they were!
> >The whole show was obviously being recorded and I can't wait to get the
album!
> >
> >The surprise of the night for me was hearing what Hawkwind sounds like
with
> >a saxophonist/flute player who can REALLY PLAY.........(sorry nik).
> >Didn't catch the guys name though.
>
> Yup, I'd go along with all that. The sax player was brilliant- 'Angels Of
> Death' was given a whole new lease of life, and his snakecharmer-style
> clarinet during Hassan/Palestine finally gave that section the extra
> dimension it's lacked before. Dave did say his name but I missed it.
> >
> >DOWNERS?
> >The support acts
>
> Have to agree, you must've missed Morphonic who played unremarkable
> trance-techno, too light and frothy to be really compelling. Spacehead:  I
> didn't enjoy them, leave it at that, don't want to upset their friends and
> admirers on the list. Simon House was a big disappointment (although he
> briefly took off on the 'Damnation Alley' section).
>
> Tim Blake I actually enjoyed, much to my surprise as I've never liked his
> solo stuff, but he played one long digi-dub piece ('Tribulation' or
something
> like that) that blew me away. Rest of the set was variable but overall
good
> enough to sustain interest.
>
> But why, why have 4 support acts when at the end of the night the Hawks
> run out of time and we don't get an encore?? Anyone know what they would
> have played? I saw Ron down at the front explaining the situation to some
> fans but couldn't catch what he was saying. Not having an encore was
> strange- no cathartic release, made me realise how ritualistic gigs are
> (especially Hawkwind gigs)- it just felt incomplete and wrong.
>
> None of which alters the fact that this was a bloody brilliant
performance:
> don't think I've ever seen the band so loud, heavy and intense. Everyone
> played a blinder- how often can one say that? Particular highlights:
>
> Damage Of Life: yeesss! Finally I hear one of my favourite Brock songs
live.
> Absolutely superb, hypnotic rhythm throughout, great electronics on the
> closing section.
>
> Flying Doctor: never really liked this track before but it blows the roof
off
> live. Brilliant vocals from Ron. I have gradually come to like Ron's
presence
> more and more and last night confirmed his worth to the band IMO.
>
> Sonic Attack: With Mike Moorcock reciting it down the phone from Texas
> it came together extraordinarily well. The disembodied screeching sounded
> truly eerie. This track can go either way live, but this was
unquestionably
> the best I've ever heard it. The bass throb which shook the whole building
> was amazing. Sonic attack indeed.
>
> Hurry On Sundown: What can you say? After the joy of hearing it at
> Brixton, this was even better: an utterly invincible blasting blanga
version,
> biggest cheer of the night.
>
> I could be wrong but I got the feeling there was less pre-programmed stuff
> than of late. With both Harvey and Keith on hand, Dave played more
> guitar and the whole thing had a more live sound. Once again one has to
> acknowledge the all-conquering Davey/Chadwick rhythm section: don't let
> Alan slip away again Dave! He's too valuable!
>
> And finally...
>
> While I was standing at the food hatch waiting to be served, a bloke asked
> me to pass the salt. I did so, he poured it over his chips and then walked
> off. Only then did I realise I had in fact passed him the sugar. If you're
out
> there, my apologies!
>
> --
> Nick Medford


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Sun Dec 31 08:28:20 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:28:20 GMT
Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970
In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:15:07 -0000
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.132820.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

david hall writes:

> I read, with some amusement, in Classic Rock that Nik is playing with =
> his "Hawkwind Isle Of Wight 1970 Reunion Band" in Liverpool. First point =
> that should be "..... without Dave Brock". Second, give me a modern =
> Hawkwind to a second rate covers outfit anyday...this must surely piss =
> off Dave Brock - maybe that's the point. Has Nik written anything of =
> note since the first ICU LP (both it and Xitintoday are superb) - that =
> doesn't rely on cobbling old HW tunes together. Nik is a nice guy - =
> however, he seems to trade off this "Nik the soul of Hawkwind" thing but =
> when it comes to HW participation the descriptor "chancer" may be more =
> appropriate.=20

I saw them at Birkenhead and have to say that Terry Ollis and
Tom Crimble made it well worth the trip. Huw and Nik had an off night
which spoiled thngs a bit but I wouldn't miss a chance to see them
again.

FoFP


From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK  Sun Dec 31 08:37:50 2000
From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:37:50 GMT
Subject: Blanga where you least expect it
In-Reply-To: ANDREW GARIBALDI's message of Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:10:16 -0000
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.133750.GMT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

ANDREW GARIBALDI writes:

> At the time, 'Ultima Thule Pts 1+2", essentially a single track, was thought
> by many to have been a blatant rip from {ink Floyd's 'Saucerful Of Secrets'
> and when yuo know both tracks, rip is taking it too far, but there is
> certainly a lot of structural similarity.. Shame they only put part one on
> the CD because the two should be together as one track. Also, why is the
> version of 'Overture' on this Cd, from the Virgin label 'V' sampler, shorter
> than the LP version - off thing to have done. But that's TD for you.

I saw the Ultima Thule single in a record shop in Brussells for 40 quid.
Unfortnately I don't any more know TD stuff well enough to judge how
rare this one is. Should I have bought it?

> Andy Garibaldi.

FoFP


From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK  Sun Dec 31 08:41:01 2000
From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:41:01 +0000
Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970
In-Reply-To: <200012311328.NAA24489@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.134101.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

In article <200012311328.NAA24489 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes
<fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> writes
>I saw them at Birkenhead and have to say that Terry Ollis and
>Tom Crimble made it well worth the trip. Huw and Nik had an off night
>which spoiled thngs a bit but I wouldn't miss a chance to see them
>again.
>
>FoFP

Hi Mike!

Good to see you got home alright!

So anyone planning to go to these French gigs then?

big cheers to everyone I saw on Friday esp. Tim, Andy and M at xine!

you'd think by now I'd have learnt to pace myself a bit better...
<sheepish grin>

see y'all next time!
--
Jon


From mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM  Sun Dec 31 09:21:40 2000
From: mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM (Mark Lee)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:21:40 -0000
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 28 Dec 2000 to 29 Dec 2000 - Special issue (#2
 000-330)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.142140.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Any chance of the cat. no. for that piece of electronic
collectible ??

Cheers,

Mark (Hasbeen)


Date:    Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:40:28 -0800
From:    "John H. McCartney" <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
Subject: Blanga where you least expect it

So I recently picked up Tangerine Dream's _Antique Dreams_, has a
nice lot of older unreleased and alternate tracks, good stuff for
fans of older TD.


From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Sun Dec 31 09:16:21 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:16:21 +0000
Subject: HW: Arin !!
In-Reply-To: <3A4EC128.8B320B96@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.141621.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 05:16 31/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Good to see a longer
>Simon-set and as always wonderful to watch Tim.  Even the singer at the
>12 Bar was nice.

Nice to see that at least one other person appreciated Simon...Helen & I
thought it was a gas...in fact, H thought it was the highlight of the
evening!!!!!

Cheers,
ChrisW


From desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET  Sun Dec 31 09:20:18 2000
From: desdinova at BREATHEMAIL.NET (Chris Warburton)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:20:18 +0000
Subject: HW: 2001 and 1970
In-Reply-To: <RaYXgBAtdzT6Ewba@comics.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.142018.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

At 13:41 31/12/00 +0000, you wrote:
>So anyone planning to go to these French gigs then?

Wotz dis about French gigs?


>big cheers to everyone I saw on Friday esp. Tim, Andy and M at xine!

Cheers Jon ;-{P>


>you'd think by now I'd have learnt to pace myself a bit better...
><sheepish grin>

3 sheets to the wind again Mr. B?

Or was it Robitussin.....?
ChrisW


From kkusic at EXECPC.COM  Sun Dec 31 11:20:11 2000
From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:20:11 -0600
Subject: OFF: Remember your honey!
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.102011.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Happy New Year gang!

Don't forget your honey!  ;)

Sweet Relief: Honey and Hangovers
Charnicia E. Huggins

Holiday revelers have tried many an odd cure for hangovers, but now
doctors suggest one that really might work. Eating honey, according to
the National Headache Foundation, could help you avoid hangover
headaches altogether.

"Honey on a cracker or piece of toast, before or after drinking, may
prevent a hangover," according to a statement from the headache experts.

"Honey--as opposed to some other sugar stores--has fructose, which
competes for the metabolism of alcohol," Dr. Merle Diamond, associate
director of the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago told Reuters Health.
This competition prevents the rapid change in alcohol levels that causes
the 'bang' headache in the morning, she said.

"Tomato juice, another good source of fructose, also helps to burn
alcohol faster," according to the National Headache Foundation.

Other tricks to avoid holiday hangovers include mixing alcohol with
fruit drinks or drinking a "hot toddy" made with honey, lemon and
tea--sans the whiskey--Diamond suggested.

"But honey works best," she said.

Diamond also offered the following, more conventional, tips to avoid the
consequences of overindulgence:

-- Drink in moderation.

-- Pace yourself: don't ingest drinks too quickly, and don't skip meals.

-- Avoid red wine: it triggers the most headaches.

Chronic headaches, however, that are unrelated to excessive drinking,
demand medical treatment, according to the National Headache Foundation.

"Headaches are a legitimate biological disease," they said.

For more information on the cause and treatment of headache, visit the
National Headache Foundation's web site at www.headaches.org.

Source:
http://brain.printthis.clickability.com/pt/printThis?isca=Y&clickMap=printThis&fb=Y&url=http%3A//www.brain.com/about/article.cfm%3Fid%3D18607%26&partnerID=454

--
"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
- Frank Zappa


From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Dec 31 12:22:19 2000
From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:22:19 -0600
Subject: HW: Astoria
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.112219.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Hiya folks,

Thanks to everyone whom I met and got a chance to hang
out with:

Berhard
Andreas
Eric S.
Mark Licht
Robert Jacobs
Merrick and Julie French
Filip Hawknut ;-)
Jill
Mike Holmes (who helped arrange payment for the room, when I was too embarrased.
 Thanks!)
Dave Greenhalgh & Manami Nanri
Tim Blake
Ben Fagin (whom I didn't know was linuxchaos at the time....sorry!)
Kevin Sommers
Steve Lindsey
Kris, Dave, and the band....(the chaos cafe
folks, peter pracownik, spacehead, Huw and Marion, and the rest of
the gang!)

(and others whose names are slipping my mind at the present, sorry!)

You folks made all the hassle worthwhile.

The gig was fantastic.  Just absolutely fantastic.  (and I could see!)
Afters party was fun, after after party went well, I think.

Thanks Jill and Eric for the nibblies, Mike Holmes and Bernhard for
the vids, Andreas and others for the music, Robert for the speakers
and cd (without which no music could have happened.) Eric and Steve
get big thanks for the light show!

Thanks to the band for showing up to the party!

Arin
(in london 'til tomorrow morning.)

ps. Mike Habiby -- I got your shirt and cd, as requested.


From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK  Sun Dec 31 13:08:08 2000
From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:08:08 +0000
Subject: HW: Astoria
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.180808.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

So what happened at the "early show" thing then? The unexpected "no
passouts" rule meant that I had to miss it. I *knew* being able to come and
go from the Astoria as you pleased was too good to be true!
Great gig though... superb High Rise, and the most enjoyable Sonic Attack
I've ever been, well, attacked with! Those rumbling bass notes!! Oh if only
they'd done Paradox though (never happy me!).
Flight home delayed by 9 hours... now that was real fun ;)

Looking forward to 2001 being another great HW year!

Dave


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 31 13:42:10 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:42:10 -0000
Subject: BOC-L Digest - 28 Dec 2000 to 29 Dec 2000 - Special issue (#2
 000-330)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.184210.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Got that at work, but do bear in mind that while what is on it is
collectible, the CD is only just out and readily available, just part of the
groaning shelves of stock that make up our monster T. Dream section st CDS
towers.
Andy G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lee" <mark at ESPARTO.UK.COM>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 28 Dec 2000 to 29 Dec 2000 - Special issue (#2
000-330)


> Any chance of the cat. no. for that piece of electronic
> collectible ??
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark (Hasbeen)
>
>
> Date:    Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:40:28 -0800
> From:    "John H. McCartney" <scorch at TE-CATS.COM>
> Subject: Blanga where you least expect it
>
> So I recently picked up Tangerine Dream's _Antique Dreams_, has a
> nice lot of older unreleased and alternate tracks, good stuff for
> fans of older TD.


From andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun Dec 31 13:40:15 2000
From: andygee at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (ANDREW GARIBALDI)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:40:15 -0000
Subject: Blanga where you least expect it
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.184015.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

just about yes, but not much in it - if it was an original, although I
suspect if it wasn't the Ohr label original and was the Spanish illegit
reissue, then you would have been liberally ripped off to the hilt if you'd
coughed up that amount of money.
Andy G.
---- Original Message -----
From: "M Holmes" <fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK>
To: <BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Blanga where you least expect it


> ANDREW GARIBALDI writes:
>
> > At the time, 'Ultima Thule Pts 1+2", essentially a single track, was
thought
> > by many to have been a blatant rip from {ink Floyd's 'Saucerful Of
Secrets'
> > and when yuo know both tracks, rip is taking it too far, but there is
> > certainly a lot of structural similarity.. Shame they only put part one
on
> > the CD because the two should be together as one track. Also, why is the
> > version of 'Overture' on this Cd, from the Virgin label 'V' sampler,
shorter
> > than the LP version - off thing to have done. But that's TD for you.
>
> I saw the Ultima Thule single in a record shop in Brussells for 40 quid.
> Unfortnately I don't any more know TD stuff well enough to judge how
> rare this one is. Should I have bought it?
>
> > Andy Garibaldi.
>
> FoFP


From multiverse at ONEBOX.COM  Sun Dec 31 13:42:10 2000
From: multiverse at ONEBOX.COM (Berry Sizemore AKA Jhary-a-Conel)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:42:10 -0800
Subject: Happy New Year
Message-ID: <SUN.31.DEC.2000.104210.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

We made it through an amazing year, 2000!  Now it is time for one more!
 Take care.  I love you all!

Berry Sizemore
aka
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From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK  Sun Dec 31 22:07:33 2000
From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill Strobridge)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:07:33 -0000
Subject: HW:   Welcome to the Future!
Message-ID: <MON.1.JAN.2001.030733.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU>

Happy New Year to one and all.

Thanks to everyone in Hawkwind for struggling through the weather
and appalling road conditions from Devon to get to London - and for
getting it all together for the show.   I hope they enjoyed doing it
as much as I enjoyed being there!

Thanks to Arin for organising the hotel and party room.

Hi to everyone I met in London (most of whom probably haven't got
home yet!)

And all best wishes for 2001.    May it be a good one.
(At least there is a space station up there - even if nothing else
quite matches expectations!)

jill
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